WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:10.020 This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers, to the hackers and the crackers. 00:10.500 --> 00:16.100 I see in binary, I speak source code, step on my toes, I'll post a million jpegs of you 00:16.100 --> 00:21.360 in a fag pose, in your digital stance, getting firewalled ho, cause I'm riding the net in 00:21.360 --> 00:27.600 my six foe, I was a dick with my 56, now with my cable I'm able to get that stable, on the 00:27.600 --> 00:33.040 out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo, on the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm a hero, 00:33.260 --> 00:38.540 in a flash I'll school you on burning dreamcast, you need some ISO, let me through my hard drive 00:38.540 --> 00:43.700 rifle, our exchange you could never stifle, and a digital hug, you just caught the love 00:43.700 --> 00:49.840 bug, I bootlegged your CD, I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z, your CG, it's all gonna 00:49.840 --> 00:54.300 be free, whether we take it by force or we take it nicely, you feel that rattle in your 00:54.300 --> 00:58.720 bones, when I tell you we just hacked out Jones, and NASDAQ, leave your fight on your 00:58.720 --> 01:04.000 back, cause I am he who loves to hack and crack, cause I am he who loves to hack and crack, 01:04.500 --> 01:11.740 this is dedicated to the hackers and the crissons, serial phones, source codes, ISOs, RANS, SIPs, 01:11.740 --> 01:17.640 SIS, this is dedicated to the hackers and the crack, welcome everybody to Binary Revolution 01:17.640 --> 01:25.980 Radio episode 49, if it smells like funk it must be us, and we are in the house again, 01:26.320 --> 01:33.640 this is June 8th 2004, the original air date, I am here with ZeroDB, welcome back to the 01:33.640 --> 01:40.200 show my friend, hello, and we're gonna start this episode off doing stats like we do once 01:40.200 --> 01:44.000 per month, we're gonna talk about some May stats, do the email in the housekeeping section, 01:44.000 --> 01:49.620 so I guess probably the best thing is to just jump right in, because boy, when it comes 01:49.620 --> 01:57.120 to stats, this was a very, very interesting month, now first of all, some of the simple 01:57.120 --> 02:06.460 stats, we averaged for the month of May around 850 visits per day, and that was, we were down 02:06.460 --> 02:11.940 for a few hours one morning, because we ran out of bandwidth, so I don't think that few 02:11.940 --> 02:17.060 hours, it was maybe, I don't know, six hours at the most, would have affected our numbers 02:17.060 --> 02:22.420 too much, so 850 wouldn't have been affected too much, we used a total of around, when I 02:22.420 --> 02:25.960 got the site back up, I put a little extra bandwidth in there, we used a total of around 02:25.960 --> 02:33.300 340 gigabytes of bandwidth during the month of May, 340 gigs, and I had it configured a 02:33.300 --> 02:41.780 little, well, not wrong, but didn't have enough dedicated to what I should have, so when I reallocated 02:41.780 --> 02:47.020 some, talked to the host, got some bandwidth reallocated properly, and brought it back 02:47.020 --> 02:52.400 up, so we also had to make some other adjustments, because it was mostly, it was hacked TV, and 02:52.400 --> 02:56.500 we'll talk about that in a few minutes, but it was mostly hacked TV that was eating up all 02:56.500 --> 03:03.520 the bandwidth, people were downloading the hell out of it, frankly, so, and that's just 03:03.520 --> 03:09.960 us, some people in the forums, and some people IM'd me and emailed me talking about some of their 03:09.960 --> 03:14.620 statistics, and how much, how many downloads they were getting, and some of them were getting 03:14.620 --> 03:18.480 more than I was even, luckily they had that kind of bandwidth, which is great, and it's 03:18.480 --> 03:24.480 so cool to have mirrors like that, but I'm estimating all together, between my site and 03:24.480 --> 03:30.280 all the mirrors that I've gotten, been reported so far, that there were about 2 terabytes of 03:30.280 --> 03:35.100 total bandwidth, total downloads of hacked TV, in the month of May. 03:36.100 --> 03:37.800 A well-renowned thing, dog, huh? 03:37.800 --> 03:38.560 Yeah, right. 03:39.840 --> 03:45.460 I guess, I guess, you know, all those people coming in and bashing the card hacking segment 03:45.460 --> 03:49.540 and stuff like that, I guess the word's getting around, so I don't know if it's good word or 03:49.540 --> 03:54.260 bad word, but people are coming to download it, so that's very, very cool. 03:54.460 --> 03:54.960 That's good. 03:54.960 --> 03:59.280 Yeah, so, and it's great, I don't mind the bandwidth, I want it, that's why I'm paying 03:59.280 --> 04:04.220 extra for the bandwidth and everything, well, I should say you, the listeners, are paying 04:04.220 --> 04:09.140 for it with the magazine, because that's what funds our bandwidth, basically, and I want 04:09.140 --> 04:13.220 people to come and download it, I don't, you know, I didn't want to take it down, but we 04:13.220 --> 04:17.160 got to work out a good, efficient way to use it, so, and again, we'll talk about that later. 04:17.260 --> 04:21.320 So, let's jump into the countries, I like to see what kind of countries and where the 04:21.320 --> 04:27.360 visits are coming from, and this month, the number one country, now, obviously, I exclude 04:27.360 --> 04:34.760 .com, .edu, .net, those, you know, any U.S., when I say other countries, I mean non-United 04:34.760 --> 04:40.980 States companies and countries, et cetera, and the number one country was Poland, and 04:40.980 --> 04:45.300 yes, that directly relates to Hack TV, because apparently, Poland loves Hack TV. 04:45.300 --> 04:53.800 Number two was the U.K., number three was Canada, they're regularly around the top, number four 04:53.800 --> 04:59.620 was Australia, and number five was the Netherlands, and I think Norway was real close there, too. 05:00.600 --> 05:06.800 So, as usual, we're getting hits from all over the world, not just the U.S. thing, but all 05:06.800 --> 05:11.440 over the place, and we get emails from these people all the time, too, which is very cool, 05:11.440 --> 05:16.520 so, by all means, write in and let us know if you're in a, what I would call an exotic 05:16.520 --> 05:22.280 country, which is not United States, what else do we have? 05:22.340 --> 05:26.840 Okay, speaking of exotic countries, I also go through and see where the hits are coming 05:26.840 --> 05:31.160 from, where they're originating from, and what search engines people are coming through 05:31.160 --> 05:37.040 to find us, and I found some new search engines this time, something called, I'm not sure how 05:37.040 --> 05:45.420 to pronounce this, Origovisla, which is Hungarian, it's from Hungary, a search engine, never heard 05:45.420 --> 05:52.320 of that before, Baidu, B-A-I-D-U, that's another one, it's, I did some research on that one, 05:52.440 --> 05:58.420 and apparently, there, a lot of people refer to that as the Chinese Google, that's apparently 05:58.420 --> 06:05.840 a really, really, really big search engine in China, so, I got some hits from them, from 06:05.840 --> 06:12.040 a place called IX Quick, which is from the United States, they claim, according to their 06:12.040 --> 06:19.560 site, to be, quote, the world's most powerful meta search engine, for whatever that means, 06:19.620 --> 06:23.640 that's a self-proclaimed title, I guess, like king of all media, I guess you can bestow your 06:23.640 --> 06:31.940 own title, sip of iced tea there, and Mama, M-A-M-M-A, I think we've had that one before, 06:32.040 --> 06:37.980 it's another meta search engine, and a final one from, again, the pronunciation, I'm not 06:37.980 --> 06:46.960 sure, but Kvasir, Kvasir, does that sound, yeah, okay, and that's from Norway, so, some 06:46.960 --> 06:50.620 exotic search engines from a lot of different countries, which is cool, so we're getting picked 06:50.620 --> 06:55.760 up by more places, now, I thought this might be a good section here, to kind of step away 06:55.760 --> 06:59.640 from the stats a little bit, and talk about search engines, which, again, is something 06:59.640 --> 07:04.220 I really find interesting, we talk about a lot on the show, and explain exactly what 07:04.220 --> 07:09.720 is a meta search engine, like, back to, it was called IX Quick, USA site that claims to 07:09.720 --> 07:16.040 be, it's a normal American search engine, claims to be the world's most powerful meta search 07:16.040 --> 07:22.460 engine, now, what exactly is a meta search engine, as opposed to a non-meta search engine, 07:22.540 --> 07:27.800 or a regular search engine, and all the meta search engine means, basically, is that they 07:27.800 --> 07:33.740 don't have their own spider, that goes out and spiders the web, and creates this giant 07:33.740 --> 07:38.680 database, and their own search algorithm, and stuff like that, all they're doing, is sorting 07:38.680 --> 07:44.180 and ordering results from other search engines, now, the one of these that I like best, I mentioned 07:44.180 --> 07:49.020 on the show before, and it still is, is Vivissimo, I still like their site, and the way it's 07:49.020 --> 07:53.880 a clustering engine, they call it, but it's along the same lines, a meta search engine 07:53.880 --> 07:59.480 is not really doing the same thing as, say, a Google, or something like that, so there 07:59.480 --> 08:03.360 are a lot of these meta search engines out there now, and they're like, when you find 08:03.360 --> 08:07.580 them, they're like, they're the ones you see that will have, not only a search engine, 08:07.660 --> 08:11.860 but they'll also have an MP3 search engine, and they'll have an images, and they'll have 08:11.860 --> 08:16.200 a, they like, combine results from a bunch of different types of other search engines, 08:16.300 --> 08:21.080 and try to, to rank them, themselves, to see what's most likely, and mix and match them 08:21.080 --> 08:25.480 together, sometimes they'll even give credit to the original search engine, and Vivissimo, 08:25.700 --> 08:29.240 again, is, is like that, they'll give credit to the original engine that, that it comes from, 08:29.420 --> 08:36.780 and then they'll use their own ranking system, and I also found MSNBot, and I talked about 08:36.780 --> 08:43.340 this briefly before, and I, I don't really have any new news this time, but, MSNBot is, 08:43.460 --> 08:48.580 they're doing some really, really unusual things in the way that they're spidering our site, 08:48.660 --> 08:53.340 the way they're, they're finding things in the engines, I'm actually getting, it's not 08:53.340 --> 09:01.260 coming across like a normal spider, somehow, it's coming, it's almost like it's coming across 09:01.260 --> 09:07.020 as hits from a, from a, gosh, I don't even know how to describe it, as though it was a 09:07.020 --> 09:11.260 real person, and I know that can't be the case, I know it's not the case, but they're, 09:11.320 --> 09:15.640 they're really making it come across, I think, I think, my guess is, anyway, that they're 09:15.640 --> 09:21.360 probably just using Internet Explorer technology, they're using their same technology that they 09:21.360 --> 09:26.260 used to build IE into the search engine, so that it looks like a, simply a hit from another 09:26.260 --> 09:30.360 web browser, from another, another IE web browser hit, so that it gets mixed in with the 09:30.360 --> 09:36.720 others, but it resolves back to an MSN search IP address, or something at their site, because 09:36.720 --> 09:41.860 I do get a lot of hits that resolve to these seemingly random numbers, or, or temporarily 09:41.860 --> 09:47.020 assigned names and numbers from Microsoft, but it's not showing up, actually, in the search 09:47.020 --> 09:52.180 engines list at all, which is really strange, it's not, it's not your typical spider, so 09:52.180 --> 09:56.840 I want to be, I'm going to be watching it really closely, and I'm going to do a little bit of 09:56.840 --> 10:00.340 digging on it, but if anybody's already done some research on that, and they've looked 10:00.340 --> 10:04.100 into it, if it, you know, you've noticed this on your sites as well, please email me and 10:04.100 --> 10:08.200 let me know, you know, what you've found, and what you've come up with, because I think it's 10:08.200 --> 10:12.300 really, I really want to know if there's more to it than that, I, I, again, I suspect that 10:12.300 --> 10:19.000 they're simply using Internet Explorer technology, and turning their spider loose, using the browser 10:19.000 --> 10:24.740 as the engine, instead of developing a new engine, and I don't know that there's anything 10:24.740 --> 10:29.040 wrong with that, but it's definitely different, so, it'd be interesting to see how effective 10:29.040 --> 10:35.000 it is, too, whenever they do finally announce and, and launch their MSN search, it's going 10:35.000 --> 10:39.300 to be very interesting to see, because they're supposedly, I don't know if you remember this, 10:39.360 --> 10:42.840 but they, do you remember he reading that they were trying to buy out Google at one time? 10:44.100 --> 10:44.400 Yeah. 10:45.000 --> 10:48.820 And Google shot them down, of course, because, well, they're Google, they've gotten kind 10:48.820 --> 10:53.880 of big now, MSN, or Microsoft, I should say, none of them, Microsoft is actually developing 10:53.880 --> 10:57.600 their own, and they, they really think they're going to knock Google down, they really think 10:57.600 --> 11:00.580 they're going to put Google out, they got a little bit offended, I guess, that their 11:00.580 --> 11:02.600 buyout offer was turned down. 11:02.960 --> 11:08.820 Now, I doubt it will happen, I was reading an article today, um, about Google hiring so 11:08.820 --> 11:16.080 many PhDs to do a lot of things, um, even the guys, the old Lucent guys, or a lot of, 11:16.080 --> 11:18.140 a few of those are working for Google now. 11:18.640 --> 11:18.880 Hmm. 11:19.260 --> 11:19.480 Yeah. 11:19.900 --> 11:25.040 But, uh, back to that, but, that, that, uh, bot, that MSN bot, in the, uh, headers, does 11:25.040 --> 11:27.880 it display as an MSN bot? 11:28.740 --> 11:33.720 It, well, it's, I, I haven't been able to look that far yet, that's what I'm saying, I'm 11:33.720 --> 11:38.380 going to be doing that soon, but what happens is it revolves back to an, I, it revolves 11:38.380 --> 11:41.860 back to a, gosh, how can I explain it? 11:41.860 --> 11:46.600 Okay, when it resolves where the hits are coming from, it revolves back to something 11:46.600 --> 11:52.640 like, um, MSN search 547382.msn.com. 11:53.320 --> 12:00.220 Now, that should look just like a visitor, I could get, um, you know, ADSL-32.balsouth.net, 12:00.300 --> 12:04.660 some randomly assigned DSL, it's what it resolves back, and that's where the browser, the person 12:04.660 --> 12:05.700 that's physically browsing. 12:05.700 --> 12:10.380 So, it looks indifferent than a user, except for the fact that my eye caught, when I was 12:10.380 --> 12:14.300 looking through the logs, it caught my eye, MSN search, what the hell, you know? 12:15.300 --> 12:16.840 So, that's what caught my eye. 12:16.920 --> 12:21.900 It's not showing up in the spiders list, and it's not sending any, it's not sending a different 12:21.900 --> 12:23.160 agent, a user agent. 12:23.760 --> 12:28.440 It's sending the same user agent that a person using Internet Explorer would, which is why I 12:28.440 --> 12:29.460 believe the way I do. 12:29.460 --> 12:35.700 Um, but, obviously, I'm getting a lot of hits from them, because they're spidering, and they 12:35.700 --> 12:39.880 are making, you know, it looks like a pretty in-depth picture of the site. 12:39.940 --> 12:45.020 I'm getting almost as many, Google is still number one, I get more hits from Google indexing 12:45.020 --> 12:50.840 the site than anything else, but probably within a thousand, one to two thousand of it, MSN 12:50.840 --> 12:51.760 is keeping right up. 12:51.760 --> 12:56.160 So, they are developing a pretty darn serious, uh, database. 12:59.000 --> 13:03.120 So, when they launch that, that is going to be very interesting, and also, they're going 13:03.120 --> 13:07.560 to have to do some catch-up with Hotmail, too, because Gmail and that one gigabyte of 13:07.560 --> 13:09.080 storage has really got people excited. 13:09.760 --> 13:12.120 We talked about it on a previous show about that. 13:12.160 --> 13:17.540 I'm not going to go into it again, but I am going to laugh really loud if all these people 13:17.540 --> 13:21.200 are paying money and buying these Gmail beta accounts, and they get taken away when they 13:21.200 --> 13:21.720 go live. 13:22.500 --> 13:24.280 I mean, they are beta accounts, after all. 13:25.000 --> 13:28.840 I'm not going to feel sorry, but anyway, that's neither here nor there. 13:29.360 --> 13:31.320 Now, um, links. 13:31.400 --> 13:35.220 I get links from other sites, like to see where the traffic's coming from, besides the direct 13:35.220 --> 13:41.300 hits and the search engines, and the number one, the top site that is giving us the most 13:41.300 --> 13:44.840 hits is dc603.org. 13:45.020 --> 13:46.060 Wait a minute, that doesn't sound right. 13:46.320 --> 13:47.440 602.org, I thought. 13:48.080 --> 13:49.960 Well, the Phoenix DEFCON group page. 13:49.960 --> 13:56.160 Um, we had, you know, the stun gun fiasco a while back where... 13:56.160 --> 13:56.500 Scandal. 13:56.940 --> 14:00.680 Yeah, scandal, scandal, fiasco, scandal, eh, whatever. 14:01.380 --> 14:07.400 Um, where Tech TV had demonstrated a stun glove using disposable camera. 14:07.400 --> 14:15.640 Again, I'm not going to rehash all that, but basically, um, it was strikingly similar, not 14:15.640 --> 14:20.620 only idea-wise, but even in the ingredients and everything, the way they did it, to something 14:20.620 --> 14:25.500 that Logic had done on Radio Freak America a while back, and talked about in our forums, 14:25.500 --> 14:31.980 and put up on his, on, uh, their website there at Phoenix, uh, 2600 group, DEFCON group, and, 14:32.040 --> 14:37.960 um, kind of, we thought some credit should have been given, and, um, I guess a lot of our 14:37.960 --> 14:41.300 listeners emailed, and, um, they broke down. 14:41.380 --> 14:45.260 To their credit, Tech TV added a link on there, giving some credit, saying there was a similar 14:45.260 --> 14:48.500 project from Logic, X-Logic, whatever he... 14:48.500 --> 14:53.320 He, he didn't mean to be called X-Logic, but everybody calls him that, apparently, um, 14:53.520 --> 14:59.120 linking back to his site, and he was nice enough there to provide a link back to binrev.com, 14:59.180 --> 15:04.800 which is where it all kind of got stirred up, I guess, so, we got, uh, easily over 8,000 15:04.800 --> 15:06.080 hits passed through there. 15:06.640 --> 15:11.180 A lot of hits, so a lot of people, Tech TV must get a lot of hits, obviously, I guess, 15:11.180 --> 15:15.140 and, um, a lot of them got rerouted over to us, so that's very cool. 15:15.140 --> 15:20.740 And, uh, the number two site, and this is what I was mentioning earlier, it came from 15:20.740 --> 15:27.540 a site in Poland, and it's called Hacking.pl, apparently a big Polish hacking site. 15:28.380 --> 15:32.840 Now, it's a lot to talk about with this one. 15:33.100 --> 15:40.660 First of all, Polish is not one of the languages that Babelfish knows, nor is it a language that 15:40.660 --> 15:41.560 Google will translate. 15:41.560 --> 15:46.860 So, even when I found where a lot of the bandwidth was going, and trying to figure out why I was 15:46.860 --> 15:50.520 getting so many hits from this, you know, I still was under the impression it could have 15:50.520 --> 15:54.180 been an attack or something like that, I didn't know what was going on, so I had to go out 15:54.180 --> 15:58.880 there and do a little digging and find a, uh, a search engine that would, or a page that 15:58.880 --> 16:03.240 would do Polish to English translations, and I found one, it wasn't very good, it was kind 16:03.240 --> 16:07.700 of rough, but I finally found one and basically figured out what was going on, and that is 16:07.700 --> 16:14.440 that this site apparently did a little report, did a little article on hacking TV shows or 16:14.440 --> 16:20.000 hacking videos and stuff like that, and they listed, um, Hack TV along with the Broken and 16:20.000 --> 16:24.160 some other clips, some other sites that had put up AVIs and stuff of, of different hacking 16:24.160 --> 16:24.660 topics. 16:24.660 --> 16:29.260 So, it seemed to be legitimate and everything, seemed to be a nice article, and I guess they 16:29.260 --> 16:33.660 just have a lot of visitors at that site, and again, the statistics back that up and show 16:33.660 --> 16:39.540 that, so, they seem to be okay, but the problem is, they committed just a terrible, terrible, 16:39.760 --> 16:50.260 terrible breach of netiquette by doing deep linking straight to the files on my server. 16:50.260 --> 16:58.780 Now, it says clearly on my page, we have a limited amount of bandwidth, we want to use 16:58.780 --> 17:03.780 it efficiently and intelligently, so we put up a bit torrent, so that we could kind of 17:03.780 --> 17:09.420 split bandwidth among other people who were seeding said torrent and said file, as well 17:09.420 --> 17:14.360 as a list of mirrors that we had up, and they were rotating, some people would run out of 17:14.360 --> 17:17.960 bandwidth, and I'd take theirs down, and some people would offer a new one, and I was rotating 17:17.960 --> 17:22.340 them, and if you visit the site, you always had a lot of different options, so it balanced 17:22.340 --> 17:26.680 out all the downloads over the different mirrors and different options that people had. 17:27.040 --> 17:35.520 Well, this article deep linked directly to the file, the zip file, on binrev.com, as well 17:35.520 --> 17:39.020 as two other of our mirrors, too, and they got a lot of hits, too, luckily they were able 17:39.020 --> 17:43.640 to handle most of them, and they deep linked directly into it, a horrible, horrible breach 17:43.640 --> 17:49.400 of netiquette. So, truthfully, we should have seen that coming. You know, I'll take 17:49.400 --> 17:56.460 credit, I'll take fault for that. And Cy Pete, actually, from our group, as you know, he 17:56.460 --> 18:00.820 and I have been talking, he's going to write a little load balancing script to help us account 18:00.820 --> 18:06.780 for this in the future. For now, for now, I have put the file back up since we started 18:06.780 --> 18:11.740 the new month. We've got a lot of bandwidth available so far. It's going fast again, don't 18:11.740 --> 18:12.360 get me wrong. 18:12.980 --> 18:13.540 It's going fast. 18:13.660 --> 18:18.260 Yeah, it's going fast. Not as fast, but it is going fast, so I don't know if I'm going 18:18.260 --> 18:22.400 to be able to keep it up like this the whole time, so I'll touch base with him and try 18:22.400 --> 18:27.920 to get that load balancing going so that we can use all of our mirrors and balance everything 18:27.920 --> 18:32.520 out a little bit better and hopefully, like I said, intelligently use the bandwidth that 18:32.520 --> 18:35.660 we had. We have enough if we use it properly, I think. 18:36.240 --> 18:39.760 They're still from Poland? Most of the hits, they're still coming from Poland? 18:39.880 --> 18:45.860 Yes, still quite a few hits from Poland. A lot of hits are, I can't directly connect them, 18:45.920 --> 18:50.140 but I suspect from what I mentioned earlier, the tech TV. People are coming and finding the 18:50.140 --> 18:54.580 site through that, and when they get here, they're finding, oh, wow, I never heard of these 18:54.580 --> 18:59.440 guys. They got this radio show. They got this TV. Let me download this. So, you know, 18:59.440 --> 19:03.420 we're getting, it's, the word is really getting out there a lot. The word is getting 19:03.420 --> 19:06.780 out there. They're coming from everywhere, but yes, still quite a few of them coming from 19:06.780 --> 19:07.100 Poland. 19:08.720 --> 19:09.720 Free advertisement. 19:10.140 --> 19:14.000 Yeah, hey, that's the way it goes, man. And it's all underground. We didn't, it's not 19:14.000 --> 19:16.960 like we're paying or we're out there, you know, pimping it out. 19:17.280 --> 19:17.560 Right. 19:17.620 --> 19:21.620 It's just word of mouth, which is fantastic. You know, that, frankly, that gives, to me, 19:21.680 --> 19:24.720 that's better credibility to hear it from somebody directly. 19:25.320 --> 19:25.680 Right. 19:25.680 --> 19:32.560 So, um, so that's the one, those are the one, that was the one, two punch that really 19:32.560 --> 19:36.560 killed our band with this much, uh, this month. Again, that's, that's great. We'll handle 19:36.560 --> 19:41.780 it in the future. Um, but we did have a couple other in our top, um, uh, where a lot of our 19:41.780 --> 19:47.460 hits are coming from, our top referrers. Um, the third one is actually with several. I bunched 19:47.460 --> 19:53.840 them all together. Um, and that is, and this is kind of getting on my nerves. I put up the, 19:53.840 --> 19:58.580 the hackers gallery for people to put up screenshots and pictures of cool stuff that they found 19:58.580 --> 20:03.620 and hardware and errors and, and, you know, just whatever they found out there that could 20:03.620 --> 20:07.580 be of interest to other hackers. I put up this gallery. I made it pretty wide open, but 20:07.580 --> 20:13.900 it was all intentionally. I was kind of running on the honor system, so to speak. Um, I find, 20:14.000 --> 20:17.520 I'm starting to find a lot of people who are using it to post their avatars that they're 20:17.520 --> 20:23.780 going to use offsite in other places. Now, to a certain extent, it's a little avatar. It's not 20:23.780 --> 20:31.080 such a big deal, but A, the more people do it, the more it adds up quickly. And when we're obviously 20:31.080 --> 20:35.900 at a premium for bandwidth right now with the situation going on, it doesn't help. And B, 20:36.980 --> 20:41.260 I end up getting all these hits in my stats that are very misleading and I want to know why the hell 20:41.260 --> 20:45.820 I'm getting hits from, you know, this weird website that has nothing to do with hacking, 20:45.960 --> 20:49.360 does not have a link to us. Why the hell am I getting all these hits from people over there? 20:50.040 --> 20:54.480 You know, I see all this kind of stuff. I do look at the logs, people. I've said that many times. I 20:54.480 --> 21:01.260 see what's going on. So I have found a couple of them. I've deleted some avatars. Um, and I'm in 21:01.260 --> 21:05.300 the process, you know, it's, it's frankly, it's a timing thing. I haven't had time to really go 21:05.300 --> 21:11.200 through, but when I sit, get time, I'm going to start banning people. It clearly says only for use in 21:11.200 --> 21:16.420 the DDP forums, only for use on our sites. You, I don't mind you use it there. I put it there to 21:16.420 --> 21:22.340 help out, but don't go using my site and then linking off site with it. You know, I can make 21:22.340 --> 21:27.800 technical workarounds to prevent that. I just don't want to have to. It just really is kind of 21:27.800 --> 21:34.100 offensive to me. It's another netiquette thing. So when I get time, maybe by the end of this week, 21:34.200 --> 21:39.180 maybe next week, I am going to go out there and find it. If you clean that shit up now, darn it, 21:39.180 --> 21:43.580 I didn't make it without cussing. I knew I would. If you clean, if you clean that stuff 21:43.580 --> 21:49.560 up now, before I get around to it, you might survive, you might get by. But if I go out 21:49.560 --> 21:55.060 here and I find out and I will, I will, it's just a matter of time, me taking the time to 21:55.060 --> 21:58.760 go through and figure out who's doing what I go out there and find it, I'm going to start 21:58.760 --> 22:05.300 banning accounts. Don't ban me. Don't ban me. Yeah. Right. It's just, it's just so rude. 22:05.300 --> 22:10.640 We've banned people before, you know, and I've also, along that same note, I mentioned 22:10.640 --> 22:14.140 it last week that I'd be upgrading the gallery and I did that. That was something I worked 22:14.140 --> 22:18.220 on this past week. I upgraded the gallery and I'm in the process of making it, again, 22:18.280 --> 22:22.820 it's a time thing. I really need, really need help on a lot of this stuff, man. I don't 22:22.820 --> 22:25.920 have, there's not enough hours in the day. But I'm making it so that you're going to have 22:25.920 --> 22:31.120 to log in with an account to be able to post pictures in the forum. And that's just, 22:31.120 --> 22:35.340 that's terrible. I don't want to have to do that, but, you know, I'm forced to do 22:35.340 --> 22:42.360 that by some people. So anyway, last few, uh, uh, refers that I have, uh, rant TV, rant 22:42.360 --> 22:46.440 radio, et cetera. All the rant media sites are sending us some good hits. Um, again, 22:46.500 --> 22:50.180 hack TV is in their rotation. So they're playing that and they've got some links up to us. 22:50.180 --> 22:54.100 Uh, freaks and geeks, they're always sending us a lot of hits and old school freak. Don't 22:54.100 --> 22:59.680 forget about oldschoolfreak.com. Great site updated frequently, you know, just cause the radio 22:59.680 --> 23:04.000 show is not there every week again, still all kinds of other good stuff. Project Walmart 23:04.000 --> 23:09.520 Freedom updated. He puts up some other audio files lately, spent some great articles submitted, 23:09.740 --> 23:14.720 some photo, photography, all kinds of good stuff. That site is still updated very frequently. 23:14.720 --> 23:19.280 So if you haven't been going, check it out and you can link to it straight from binrev.com. 23:19.280 --> 23:25.440 It's one of our, uh, one of our buttons there. And finally, for the statistics to wrap it up, 23:25.440 --> 23:30.700 um, I'm sorry. I love, I love statistics. I, you learn so much and you find out so many 23:30.700 --> 23:35.620 things from statistics. Um, this one's kind of a funny one. The top search terms for the 23:35.620 --> 23:43.960 month of May, the number one search term was anime. And like the number two through number 23:43.960 --> 23:51.180 whatever, like all the top search terms were anime, anime wallpaper, anime, um, I don't know, 23:51.180 --> 23:55.400 different anime topics. Uh, Counter-Strike was one of the top search terms. Starcraft. 23:56.340 --> 24:00.120 I don't know. Is anybody searching for hacking that comes to our site? 24:02.500 --> 24:07.760 The highest search term that we actually got that seemed valid was Hack TV. People searching 24:07.760 --> 24:12.440 for Hack TV, which again, words getting out, that's a good thing. But yeah, we got, it was 24:12.440 --> 24:15.500 just an odd month. I think it's the first time we see anime out there a lot. And it's because 24:15.500 --> 24:19.060 we talk about it in the forums. That is where they're coming from. I trace them all the 24:19.060 --> 24:22.820 way. Um, in Counter-Strike and Starcraft, we've got some wallpapers out there that people 24:22.820 --> 24:29.700 are finding. So, um, I don't know. I guess, I guess it doesn't really matter a whole lot. 24:29.700 --> 24:35.180 But, interesting nonetheless. Now, golly, we're halfway through the show already. 24:37.420 --> 24:39.820 Man. Let's jump in. 24:39.820 --> 24:40.840 Do some prank calls later. 24:40.840 --> 24:47.360 Yeah. Let's do, let's do some, um, let's jump into the email here. And I'll try to 24:47.360 --> 24:51.480 do these quickly because this is turning into me talking the whole time. And I know 24:51.480 --> 24:55.200 I got some stuff I wanted to talk with you about later on, so I don't want to totally 24:55.200 --> 24:59.500 bogart the microphone here. But let me do a couple quick emails. Um, the first one from 24:59.500 --> 25:06.100 Fuzzy NG. He says, Stank, I'm a long-time listener, first-time emailer. First off, let me tell 25:06.100 --> 25:09.880 you how cool your show is. The stuff I've learned from your show alone has kept me from going 25:09.880 --> 25:15.820 nuts at work. Well, I wish I could say the same. I'm, I'm glad somebody had helped somebody, 25:15.940 --> 25:20.040 but I still go nuts at work every day. Uh, so on to the other crap in this email. I 25:20.040 --> 25:24.020 heard on one of your recent shows, thanks to Rant Radio, that you've been looking for 25:24.020 --> 25:30.020 a way to turn a computer into a DVR. Well, I was looking through ThinkGeek.com and found 25:30.020 --> 25:37.820 this, Beyond TV3. And, uh, I'll put the link up in the show notes. But, uh, using your existing 25:37.820 --> 25:45.820 TV tuner card or buy our bundle package, which includes a Halpage WinTV PVR-250 BTV tuner 25:45.820 --> 25:51.280 card. That's a mouthful. It'll let you record, watch, pause, and smart skip your favorite 25:51.280 --> 25:57.220 programs using the Viewscape interface. Who needs a TiVo now? Anywho, keep up the good 25:57.220 --> 26:03.020 battle. Woot, woot. Yeah, we did talk about the DVR, and we actually, maybe you haven't 26:03.020 --> 26:07.280 heard all the episodes, we went into some more detail. Um, DVR is something on my personal 26:07.280 --> 26:12.400 projects list that I want to work on. Unfortunately, I don't get to my personal projects too much. 26:12.440 --> 26:16.180 I'm working on too many other projects, so it's at the bottom. I'll eventually get around 26:16.180 --> 26:22.500 to it. But, um, I'm leaning towards something called MythTV. And you can go check it out at 26:22.500 --> 26:29.600 MythTV.org, M-Y-T-H-T-V dot org, um, which is another, uh, piece of software. It runs under 26:29.600 --> 26:35.000 Linux, um, that support, it's got a couple other features in it besides the TVR that I 26:35.000 --> 26:39.100 like, besides the PVR that I like, excuse me. Not only am I going to record the, the 26:39.100 --> 26:43.080 videos or digital, whatever, there's so many different terms out there. But this one also 26:43.080 --> 26:47.460 has a couple other cool things on there that are like, it has a weather module, so I can 26:47.460 --> 26:53.280 have the weather on screen, uh, supports XML feeds. I can have XML news of whatever topic 26:53.280 --> 26:56.600 that interests me or whatever I want to subscribe to and have it scrolling across the bottom 26:56.600 --> 27:01.460 of the screen, stuff like that, uh, can be skinned, so I can have a custom look. Maybe 27:01.460 --> 27:05.680 I can put DDP wallpaper or something like that, silly stuff like that. But the biggest pull 27:05.680 --> 27:10.780 to me is that it also supports MAME emulation. It, it, it will have, has a plug-in that you 27:10.780 --> 27:17.380 can put the MAME emulator and all the ISOs or all the ROM images, I should say, of all 27:17.380 --> 27:23.480 these old school games and put them on there and play them on the TV. That is pretty cool 27:23.480 --> 27:25.700 to me, and that's one of the things that made that stand out. 27:26.300 --> 27:27.220 That's kind of neat. 27:27.400 --> 27:28.220 Yeah, I mean... 27:28.220 --> 27:29.860 I've never, never seen this before. 27:30.080 --> 27:34.460 Yeah, it's mythTV.org. You can definitely go check it out, and it, it's, it supports 27:34.460 --> 27:38.000 a lot of different video cards. You don't have to buy that particular one. That Halpage 27:38.000 --> 27:42.460 is a very popular one, even for MythTV. But, uh, it supports a lot of other cards. You 27:42.460 --> 27:46.740 can go get a list and a lot of other different setups. People tell you, um, the different 27:46.740 --> 27:50.940 sizes of hard drives and how much space it takes up and how fast it runs, what kind of 27:50.940 --> 27:55.920 processor combination you need. You know, you can, you can actually get away with using 27:55.920 --> 28:02.460 a very cheaper, a very cheap or a much cheaper, um, TV end card if you have enough powerful 28:02.460 --> 28:08.640 processor to take a lot of that load off. So, it's got some charts out there that you 28:08.640 --> 28:12.940 can look that kind of stuff up and see what's a good combination that you can afford and, 28:12.940 --> 28:16.740 uh, what kind of quality settings you can expect and how you can tweak it a little bit to make 28:16.740 --> 28:17.140 it work efficiently. 28:17.140 --> 28:26.420 Not to cut you off, but, um, looking at this, you're telling me, excuse me, you're telling 28:26.420 --> 28:39.320 me you can play games, it, it has its own modules, skins, I mean, this is, I'm kind of like trying 28:39.320 --> 28:40.140 to grasp it here. 28:40.140 --> 28:45.960 Okay, okay, it's, it's everything that a TiVo is and more, basically. Um, what it is, is 28:45.960 --> 28:50.000 it's a computer, you know, you take a computer and you install this software. 28:50.220 --> 28:50.460 Yeah. 28:51.160 --> 28:55.300 Combined with a TV end card. Now, you do know, of course, a lot of people know that 28:55.300 --> 28:58.900 with a TV end card you can watch TV on your computer. You're getting that signal coming 28:58.900 --> 28:59.200 in. 28:59.300 --> 28:59.540 Right. 28:59.920 --> 29:06.260 Well, this, this, these PVR software, this digital video recording, DVR software, um, 29:06.260 --> 29:11.460 will capture that. Screen capture, all of that, not screen capture, but it will capture 29:11.460 --> 29:15.680 that incoming signal, save it to AVI. That's how you see out on these, like, uh, what is 29:15.680 --> 29:19.520 it, Supernova and all these sites where you see all the TV shows and AVI's that people are 29:19.520 --> 29:23.280 swapping. That's one of the ways where they come from. But basically, you set this all 29:23.280 --> 29:29.180 up on the computer, send your cable directly into it, put a big fat Mac Daddy 300 gig hard 29:29.180 --> 29:34.580 drive or more on there, and record all that stuff to it. Well, at the same time, on that 29:34.580 --> 29:39.320 hard drive, there's a module here that you can put MAME on your hard drive, and there's 29:39.320 --> 29:43.960 an interface, a module that will let your MAME, that will let you interface MythTV with 29:43.960 --> 29:48.940 MAME, so that not only can you sit there and have it recording and watching TV, you can 29:48.940 --> 29:55.520 also play your old school games, and these are ROMs and, um, arcade games and old Nintendo 29:55.520 --> 30:00.540 64 or old Super Nintendo games and stuff like that, and play them on the screen, on the 30:00.540 --> 30:05.280 TV screen instead of your computer screen. Yeah, it's a, it's a really, really great 30:05.280 --> 30:09.280 thing, and it's something I've been wanting to do, but like everything else. That's for 30:09.280 --> 30:14.660 Linux. Yes, they make, I don't know if there's a Windows or not. I don't know, what is it, 30:14.660 --> 30:19.020 Huppapog or? Huppage or, yeah, I don't know how you pronounce it, Huppage. Oh, uh, Hippo 30:19.020 --> 30:24.940 or whatever it is. Yeah. I've, I've, I've used that, you know, to watch TV on the PC and 30:24.940 --> 30:30.640 do a couple other things, like with my video, with my camera, but this is like, kind of 30:30.640 --> 30:36.760 like different here. Yeah. Yeah, and you know, I have, um, a pinnacle, this external 30:36.760 --> 30:42.280 piece of hardware that I use to capture stuff from my camera, um, and basically this Myth 30:42.280 --> 30:47.520 TV and others like it is a software version of that. You know, the hardware's input is 30:47.520 --> 30:52.360 handled by, you know, your TVN card. I don't have one of those. I have this special thing 30:52.360 --> 30:57.360 that I, I use to interface with my old video camera or VCR or whatever the case 30:57.360 --> 31:01.800 may be. It has RCA jacks going in, so that's how I capture a lot of Hack TV 31:01.800 --> 31:06.840 footage and other stuff like that. Yeah, no, it's very good stuff and I don't 31:06.840 --> 31:10.360 remember which episode it was. You might want to go back and catch, I don't 31:10.360 --> 31:13.380 remember which episode it was, but in the show notes I'm sure where I went into a 31:13.380 --> 31:19.400 little bit more detail about it, I think, but MythTV.org and the links that it has 31:19.400 --> 31:24.960 to support and stuff. There's a, a very friendly, appear, a seemingly friendly user 31:24.960 --> 31:28.360 community and people posting a lot of stats and a lot of helpful information, so 31:28.360 --> 31:35.120 definitely, definitely check that out. Now, I got another email, a couple of them 31:35.120 --> 31:42.100 actually, from I am the stretch. You're stretching? I, I don't know. I just read 31:42.100 --> 31:46.840 them. I am the stretch. It's interesting, I gotta say that. It's a unique name, I guess. 31:46.840 --> 31:51.280 And actually, he explained that he, this was a new, something he had to pick a new 31:51.280 --> 31:56.280 name for certain reasons, but first one I got from him, it says, on the last show, 31:56.780 --> 32:02.920 Lucky225 mentioned that he visits BinRev.com and images don't load. This happens to me 32:02.920 --> 32:07.300 when I use Internet Explorer because of my security options. Under Firefox, everything 32:07.300 --> 32:12.540 is cool. I would therefore say Lucky is probably not seeing the image due to the IE security 32:12.540 --> 32:17.980 options. That's kind of funny because IE blocks images and cookies that it shouldn't and doesn't 32:17.980 --> 32:23.060 block those that it should. That's about right. Yeah, well, okay, first of all, Lucky's not 32:23.060 --> 32:27.680 too bright. You know, I'm surprised he can even spell BinRev.com to get there. He, he's 32:27.680 --> 32:33.040 lucky he can get on the interweb at all. So, the fact that he's the only one having a problem 32:33.040 --> 32:37.780 with it, you kind of take that with a grain of salt. Of course, I'm kidding. He knows that, 32:37.780 --> 32:41.720 but I'll get some hate mail from him about that. No, I won't. He doesn't listen to the 32:41.720 --> 32:48.260 show and he lied. He doesn't go to BinRev.com anyway. But anyway, in his second email, I 32:48.260 --> 32:53.460 am the stretch, he says, I spent about two hours looking through Google Answers and it's 32:53.460 --> 32:57.880 great. Of course, he's referring back to, we had like a three or four part Google series 32:57.880 --> 33:05.100 with a couple different hosts, racks especially, but Google Answers, which I thought was a really, 33:05.100 --> 33:10.520 really interesting site and tons of potentially interesting information and, and he found some. 33:10.840 --> 33:17.860 He says, companies are posting requests for the programming of entire applications. Also, 33:18.160 --> 33:27.600 a not JoseLeon-GA is being trusted with full admin rights to several companies' websites so 33:27.600 --> 33:39.780 that he may personally add code and services requested. Now, boy, that's dangerous. That's 33:39.780 --> 33:44.300 really, really dangerous. Now, it's a very interesting way to get into a company. I mean, 33:45.560 --> 33:51.840 that's an awful lot of trust to someone on a website Google Answers. I mean, that's a whole 33:51.840 --> 33:57.960 lot of faith you're putting into somebody. Even if you do, even if it's a paid transaction 33:57.960 --> 34:04.340 and stuff like that, that's a whole lot of faith. Isn't it, is it just unusual? First 34:04.340 --> 34:07.700 of all, Google Answers, for the most part, is fairly cheap. It's not like this guy's making 34:07.700 --> 34:11.580 thousands and thousands of dollars to write this software for them. I mean, everything 34:11.580 --> 34:18.820 I saw was in the hundreds. Well, I guess they figure it's reputable. I don't know. I don't 34:18.820 --> 34:23.560 know. I wouldn't... I wouldn't take the risk. Well, you know, sometimes management doesn't 34:23.560 --> 34:28.000 make the best decisions. Yeah, exactly. So, I don't know, really know what they're... 34:28.000 --> 34:33.540 Well, maybe it's cheap. Maybe that's another... Well, okay, if he's willing to work that 34:33.540 --> 34:36.760 cheaply, though, what does that tell you? If he's willing to work that cheaply under these 34:36.760 --> 34:41.920 odd circumstances of doing it through Google Answers, first of all, why not? Why didn't 34:41.920 --> 34:46.020 he take it offline and get a real job and sign a contract work or something like that outside 34:46.020 --> 34:50.120 of Google Answers? That's the right way to do it and do some research and make sure the 34:50.120 --> 34:54.080 guy's legitimate. That's a real odd circumstance. So, if he's willing to do that and work that 34:54.080 --> 34:59.020 cheaply on such a weird thing, how much do you think it would cost for me to bribe him 34:59.020 --> 35:03.180 or to give him, you know, ask him to put a backdoor in there for me or give me an account 35:03.180 --> 35:06.740 on that system? If he's working for that cheap, he's probably wanting some 35:06.740 --> 35:10.480 money. Hell, here's 20 bucks if you can hook me a backdoor into whatever system you're 35:10.480 --> 35:15.240 working on or something like that, you know? That's put... You know, you're trusting somebody 35:15.240 --> 35:19.780 that you don't know. I mean, I guess that's the case all the time, you know? I guess let's 35:19.780 --> 35:22.440 not be naive. But usually when you're hired... 35:22.440 --> 35:25.320 Maybe you don't know the full story. Maybe there's some other kind of under-the-table 35:25.320 --> 35:32.040 stuff or just some other logistics in general that might be contributing to what's going on 35:32.040 --> 35:32.600 there. I don't know. 35:32.740 --> 35:36.500 Yeah, I don't know. I'll be open-minded and say, yeah, maybe there's more to the story. 35:36.500 --> 35:41.700 I'll be open-minded and say that. But you know what? It's just too dangerous. You know, 35:41.780 --> 35:46.300 if that is really all there is to the story, whoever did that, whoever gave him access, 35:46.540 --> 35:49.720 complete access to the system and development, stuff like that, needs to be fired because 35:49.720 --> 35:56.400 that's such a huge security hole, potential security hole. I'm assuming the obvious. I 35:56.400 --> 36:00.280 didn't... I probably shouldn't assume this. I assume they gave him this information in 36:00.280 --> 36:04.600 Access Private. I hope they didn't post the access numbers and passwords and stuff in the 36:04.600 --> 36:09.200 Google Answers. I assume they contacted him privately. They had to have. Surely they're 36:09.200 --> 36:11.400 not that dumb. Well... 36:11.400 --> 36:15.400 Maybe they... Well, I mean, where's their admin? You know, what's... 36:15.400 --> 36:17.300 Probably is the admin for all we know. 36:17.680 --> 36:18.840 Something doesn't add up. 36:19.000 --> 36:19.220 Yeah. 36:19.980 --> 36:20.340 Anyway. 36:20.340 --> 36:29.200 All right. And one last email. And you know what? Okay. Again, we don't do real names, 36:29.280 --> 36:33.960 so I withheld the real name. But this email says, hello, I was wondering if you would be 36:33.960 --> 36:39.640 able to tell me who the music is by in the Hack TV episode one, artist and title. Thanks 36:39.640 --> 36:41.060 in advance. Cool show. 36:41.060 --> 36:45.560 Zerl. Can you answer this one for me? Because I'm just... 36:45.560 --> 36:46.840 Uh, let's do it in unison. 36:47.940 --> 36:48.340 Zerl! 36:48.840 --> 36:49.240 Zerl. 36:49.680 --> 36:50.080 Zerl. 36:50.520 --> 36:50.920 Zerl. 36:51.280 --> 36:51.640 Zerl. 36:51.960 --> 36:53.240 Zerl.com. 36:54.000 --> 36:58.660 Every week I think I pimp this guy. Great music. This guy does awesome stuff. Zerl. 36:59.200 --> 37:00.780 Maybe he's a new listener. I don't know. 37:00.980 --> 37:05.000 I... He says, cool show. He's... I don't know. 37:05.640 --> 37:08.160 Well, he could have been... You know what? You're right. I'm going to be open-minded 37:08.160 --> 37:11.040 again. He's referring to the video he probably got. Maybe this was... 37:11.040 --> 37:15.680 Maybe this one was guys from Poland or from Tech TV or something. Got the video and he 37:15.680 --> 37:19.800 has never listened to the radio show before. So... And frankly, if that's the case, he's 37:19.800 --> 37:25.900 not hearing the answer now either, is he? I can't email every person back that asks me 37:25.900 --> 37:30.360 about that music. All I can do is keep bringing it on the radio. That's the easiest way for 37:30.360 --> 37:37.440 me to do it. I spend all day replying to this. It's in the FAQ. It's on the show notes site. 37:37.540 --> 37:41.020 It's on there every time. It's downloadable from my site. We provide links to the 37:41.040 --> 37:43.180 links to him. I've mentioned it on the show several times. 37:43.620 --> 37:45.560 Maybe you should do a little intro to the intro. 37:46.260 --> 37:52.760 Yeah, I can. Maybe I should just make the whole show zero. You know what? I'm going 37:52.760 --> 37:55.420 to do that. I'm going to try to get in touch with him and get him on the show. 37:56.100 --> 37:56.600 Yeah, yeah. 37:56.600 --> 37:59.320 I'm going to try to do that. Get on the show and talk about some different things. 37:59.960 --> 38:02.820 But see, I know he's... I've been speaking to him a little bit here and there and he's 38:02.820 --> 38:10.100 busy, busy guy. So, anyway, that's enough, man. We spent almost the whole show doing 38:10.100 --> 38:16.120 housekeeping type stuff. So let's move on to some other stuff. Actually, to give me a 38:16.120 --> 38:19.780 break since I've been bogarting the entire show, I don't want to waste your time on here. 38:20.120 --> 38:24.700 Why don't you start with the show and tell? Because there's actually... I wanted to kind 38:24.700 --> 38:28.500 of transition that we did have some feedback last week when you weren't on. I forwarded you 38:28.500 --> 38:35.320 to an email where there was a question about Plan 9 and whether or not it really is based 38:35.320 --> 38:41.160 on Linux or not. Because I, from what I read and I went out and did some research, I thought 38:41.160 --> 38:45.660 it was clearly not. But I thought I'd touch base and see what you had to say about it. 38:46.280 --> 38:52.340 And then maybe since we can go from that into our 2600 meeting this past week. 38:52.720 --> 38:58.400 Okay. Well, I'm not going to spend too much time on this because it's... 38:58.400 --> 39:08.480 If anybody's looked at any links that was posted last week or did their own research and read 39:08.480 --> 39:17.440 for themselves or even tried to install it, you can pretty much get an idea that it is truly 39:17.440 --> 39:26.680 not units. It's not based on units. If it's a new design, and I'm just going to read something 39:26.680 --> 39:36.760 here, this is from the Plan9BellLabs.com. It's the Plan 9 Wiki Index page. Clearly titled, 39:36.760 --> 39:46.760 What is Plan 9? And I quote, Developed by people who devise UNIX, i.e., Bell Labs, Plan 9 takes 39:46.760 --> 39:52.960 development back into the realm of research. While UNIX can be said to be a research tool, 39:53.440 --> 39:57.120 the OS principles remain largely the same throughout all developments. 39:57.840 --> 40:03.040 Plan 9, the name is taken from the title of the worst film ever made, 40:03.200 --> 40:04.880 Ed Wood's Plan 9 from Outer Space. 40:04.880 --> 40:09.320 I didn't... Yeah, I didn't know that. I was going to make a Plan 9 joke about that before. 40:09.440 --> 40:11.200 I didn't realize that that's really where it came from. 40:11.220 --> 40:12.100 It came from the movie. 40:12.300 --> 40:13.060 Great. Go ahead. 40:13.620 --> 40:19.860 ...is an attempt to work on the concept of operating systems from the ground up, 40:20.660 --> 40:26.220 reworking the whole idea using modern concepts and technology. 40:26.220 --> 40:41.440 Now, that being said, now this is just one particular quote from many of Bell Labs' papers 40:41.440 --> 40:49.140 and writings and different researchers that are working on Plan 9. It's a totally new design. 40:49.140 --> 40:56.060 Now, I'm not going to... You know, I don't want to get on the soapbox or rant or anything. 40:57.060 --> 41:00.880 I don't want to take it out of context. It's an OS, and that's all it is. 41:00.920 --> 41:07.240 It's not like we're trying to come up with some cure for cancer or something. 41:07.400 --> 41:09.380 You know, it's only an OS. No big deal. 41:12.340 --> 41:15.800 It's just... From what I've read, my understanding from what I've read, 41:15.800 --> 41:21.380 I understand there's another gentleman or... I believe it's a gentleman, 41:21.980 --> 41:28.020 the one that sent the email stating that it is based on Unix, 41:28.200 --> 41:30.660 based on what he's read and this and that. 41:30.780 --> 41:31.880 I think it was from a textbook. 41:33.140 --> 41:35.560 Yeah, I don't have... I've actually deleted the email. 41:36.040 --> 41:39.800 You know, it's... I mean, if you're referring to a... 41:40.820 --> 41:44.500 I think it was a B... Wasn't it a BSD textbook, I think? 41:44.500 --> 41:48.220 I don't have... Right, right. He's referring from a BSD textbook. 41:49.060 --> 41:52.980 I mean, come on. Look at something that's on Plan 9. 41:53.140 --> 41:55.160 Go to the Bell Labs website. 41:56.240 --> 41:59.540 There are plenty of researchers out there that have written papers on this. 42:00.220 --> 42:05.260 And if you read through them, you can come to a general consensus 42:05.260 --> 42:08.900 that it is not based on Unix. It is not Unix. 42:09.360 --> 42:13.280 Well, it is very Unix-like. I mean, you would agree to that, right? 42:13.280 --> 42:14.800 It does have some... 42:14.800 --> 42:18.340 I would agree that some things were adopted. 42:19.120 --> 42:22.420 Sure. Oh, yeah. They admit that it's based loosely on Unix, 42:22.500 --> 42:25.580 that some ideas were taken from Unix. I do remember reading that. 42:26.060 --> 42:30.140 Yeah. But you can't say it's based on Unix. 42:30.480 --> 42:33.980 Right. It's not a form or a type of Unix. 42:33.980 --> 42:42.320 Right. You know, I mean, I'm not ruling the whole Unix OS out as a total, 42:42.740 --> 42:47.620 but a lot of... Yes, there were some things that were adopted from the Unix environment. 42:48.460 --> 42:53.660 And that's just being an OS. I mean, every OS out there, in my opinion, 42:54.120 --> 42:58.120 was adopted from Unix in some form or manner. 42:58.120 --> 43:04.400 Yeah. You know, it's not that much of a big deal. 43:06.340 --> 43:14.400 But I think I'm going to hold to my guns and say that it is not Unix based on my findings, 43:14.540 --> 43:16.520 my readings, and my experience. 43:16.760 --> 43:19.440 Yeah. And I agree with you, too, from what I've seen. 43:19.500 --> 43:23.160 I did read up on it recently, and I just burned the most recent ISO. 43:23.360 --> 43:24.320 Thank you for that, by the way. 43:24.520 --> 43:24.860 You're welcome. 43:24.860 --> 43:26.780 I'll be throwing that on the box very soon. 43:27.280 --> 43:30.760 But I did do some research to find out more about it, and I came to the same conclusion. 43:31.200 --> 43:32.720 But, again, it does have... 43:32.720 --> 43:35.940 They do admit, in the same documentation and stuff that I was reading, 43:36.300 --> 43:37.920 they borrowed some ideas from it. 43:38.300 --> 43:39.360 There's nothing wrong with that. 43:39.440 --> 43:41.400 I mean, like you said, everybody's borrowed ideas from it. 43:41.420 --> 43:43.280 But it is not a form or flavor of Unix. 43:44.160 --> 43:45.500 Now then, I'm thinking... 43:45.500 --> 43:46.960 Again, I don't have this email in front of me. 43:47.000 --> 43:50.020 I think it was Profitas last week's show said... 43:50.020 --> 43:52.380 It was from a textbook that he had a BSD textbook 43:52.380 --> 43:57.620 and said that it was a derived or a form of Linux or something. 43:57.740 --> 43:58.200 I don't want to... 43:58.200 --> 44:00.760 I hate to put words in his mouth if it wasn't true, 44:00.840 --> 44:01.760 but on the last episode... 44:01.760 --> 44:04.160 But I think from what I've read from the email, 44:04.580 --> 44:06.880 the little excerpt that he emailed, 44:06.880 --> 44:16.240 I think the authors were basically giving a sequence that led up to Plan 9. 44:16.980 --> 44:23.040 Not saying that Plan 9 took everything from those previous OSs. 44:23.420 --> 44:23.900 Right. 44:24.020 --> 44:26.320 It's probably just a poorly worded... 44:26.320 --> 44:29.240 You know, and again, I think that's just the author's opinion. 44:29.640 --> 44:30.000 Right. 44:30.100 --> 44:31.820 Because it's a BSD book. 44:31.880 --> 44:34.460 It's not a Plan 9 paper at all. 44:35.220 --> 44:35.480 Right. 44:35.580 --> 44:38.120 Well, textbooks make mistakes, you know. 44:38.180 --> 44:40.620 Well, I don't even think it was intended to be a mistake. 44:40.800 --> 44:42.900 I think that that was just the author's opinion. 44:43.380 --> 44:43.700 You think? 44:43.720 --> 44:44.700 I mean, opinion... 44:44.700 --> 44:46.240 Well, I mean, which is a true opinion. 44:46.240 --> 44:47.220 Well, then, okay, I'll play... 44:47.220 --> 44:50.020 It's just a sequence of operating systems that led up to Plan 9. 44:50.160 --> 44:51.500 All right, well, I'll play devil's advocate. 44:51.820 --> 44:55.700 I would say the same thing about Bell Labs and what they're saying. 44:55.700 --> 44:57.820 Of course, they're saying, oh, we didn't steal anything. 44:57.960 --> 44:59.080 We're not a type of Unix. 44:59.160 --> 45:01.700 We didn't take anything, you know, so... 45:02.260 --> 45:02.500 No. 45:02.500 --> 45:06.420 I still believe that it's not Unix, but... 45:06.420 --> 45:08.740 Yeah, well, it's, you know... 45:08.740 --> 45:11.960 All right, so we'll sum it up and say, I'm convinced. 45:12.060 --> 45:12.920 I don't think it's Unix. 45:12.980 --> 45:14.180 I don't think it's a form of Unix. 45:14.240 --> 45:17.140 I don't think it was built or based completely on Unix. 45:19.240 --> 45:22.560 But I guess people can make up their own minds. 45:22.840 --> 45:23.960 Yeah, well, you know, yes. 45:24.080 --> 45:26.800 And again, I'm not taking anything away from him. 45:27.560 --> 45:31.320 He is a good initiative to do his own little research. 45:31.320 --> 45:32.780 Well, no, it's a... 45:32.780 --> 45:33.260 Yeah, it's good. 45:33.260 --> 45:35.660 In my opinion, I think he's looking in the wrong place, however. 45:36.080 --> 45:39.700 Nonetheless, he's doing his own research, and there's nothing wrong with that. 45:39.900 --> 45:40.340 Absolutely. 45:40.560 --> 45:42.760 I actually do commend him for questioning. 45:43.440 --> 45:43.800 Absolutely. 45:44.360 --> 45:49.760 That, you know, if he's drawing his own conclusions, then he's completely entitled to that. 45:50.320 --> 45:50.720 Absolutely. 45:50.720 --> 45:53.540 You know, I'm not taking that away from him. 45:54.440 --> 46:00.620 But I would think that and hope that he would try to get it installed on a box and use it. 46:01.400 --> 46:07.580 And maybe we can come to some sort of agreement that it's not Unix. 46:07.680 --> 46:09.740 It's Plan 9 and Plan 9 only. 46:09.740 --> 46:12.540 Well, I will be doing that myself. 46:12.700 --> 46:16.140 Like I said, I got that ISO, and I'm going to throw it on an old box. 46:16.220 --> 46:19.000 Hopefully, it'll run smoothly on... 46:19.000 --> 46:20.240 It's a pretty old box I've got. 46:20.300 --> 46:21.320 We'll see how that goes. 46:23.020 --> 46:25.000 Let's talk about our 2600 meeting. 46:25.080 --> 46:27.040 We just had this a couple days ago, actually. 46:27.200 --> 46:27.680 Great meeting. 46:27.900 --> 46:28.460 Great meeting. 46:28.640 --> 46:29.060 You think? 46:29.600 --> 46:30.020 Great meeting. 46:30.020 --> 46:31.460 I think we had... 46:31.460 --> 46:36.280 I think I looked up at one point and counted about 17 people or so, which is pretty doggone good. 46:36.420 --> 46:39.840 I mean, again, it's up from zero the first time I went. 46:40.800 --> 46:41.420 From zero. 46:41.880 --> 46:45.040 So, it's grown tremendously, and that's very, very cool. 46:45.380 --> 46:47.160 Had a couple more new people this time. 46:49.180 --> 46:51.940 It was Cyrus, is it? 46:52.580 --> 46:53.620 That was the first time I... 46:53.620 --> 46:54.680 Well, there was a couple... 46:54.680 --> 46:55.460 Cyrus. 46:55.680 --> 46:56.540 I don't want to name him by name. 46:56.620 --> 46:56.920 Right. 46:57.080 --> 46:57.480 Cypher. 46:57.760 --> 46:58.120 Cypher. 46:58.180 --> 46:58.540 Cypher. 46:58.540 --> 46:59.480 That was a cool guy. 46:59.480 --> 47:00.720 He had some really... 47:00.720 --> 47:02.020 I really am looking forward. 47:02.080 --> 47:08.940 He gave me some topics that he knew some stuff about, had some information about that I really 47:08.940 --> 47:10.560 am looking forward to hearing back from him. 47:11.220 --> 47:14.880 So, a shout out to all those guys and new guys, even in the old guys, of course. 47:15.160 --> 47:15.420 Right. 47:15.960 --> 47:19.860 And even the presentations were, in my opinion, outstanding. 47:20.240 --> 47:20.840 Well... 47:20.840 --> 47:21.440 Learned a lot. 47:21.860 --> 47:22.680 No, seriously. 47:23.020 --> 47:25.060 I learned a lot from both you and Pete. 47:25.060 --> 47:25.860 Now, see... 47:25.860 --> 47:26.040 Yeah. 47:26.220 --> 47:27.880 Now, Cypher gave a... 47:27.880 --> 47:31.620 He went to a conference. 47:31.920 --> 47:33.400 I don't know if I've talked about this in the show. 47:33.440 --> 47:35.480 He went to a conference called Tech Galaxy. 47:38.100 --> 47:40.060 I guess three, four months ago. 47:40.060 --> 47:45.860 And gave a presentation on behalf of our FL 2600 group. 47:47.020 --> 47:48.440 And it was kind of a last minute. 47:48.660 --> 47:50.860 Unfortunately, you know, we weren't able to go. 47:50.980 --> 47:54.780 He ended up being there representing us and giving a presentation on security, just a general 47:54.780 --> 48:00.140 security meeting and what it means to companies and some ideas that maybe, you know, hadn't 48:00.140 --> 48:03.940 been thrown at them in their face like that or made them realize how important security 48:03.940 --> 48:04.380 is. 48:04.840 --> 48:08.260 So, we've been trying to get that presented at our meeting the last few times. 48:08.380 --> 48:11.980 And just for logistical reasons, one reason or another, it didn't come up. 48:12.160 --> 48:15.900 So, he finally gave that this time, which was really cool. 48:15.900 --> 48:19.140 So, that's one presentation you're talking about. 48:19.260 --> 48:23.400 Now, I also tried to give a presentation. 48:24.160 --> 48:26.220 I'm putting something together for hope. 48:26.540 --> 48:27.600 I'm trying to. 48:27.700 --> 48:28.360 I'm thinking about it. 48:28.360 --> 48:29.600 Now, I'm having second thoughts, frankly. 48:30.100 --> 48:33.640 But I'm trying to put together a presentation for hope about the AS400. 48:33.640 --> 48:38.180 And it's very, very, very dry material. 48:38.740 --> 48:40.200 There's just no other way to put it. 48:40.260 --> 48:45.080 It's very dry, technical, extremely technical, some would say boring material. 48:45.400 --> 48:47.780 Well, I think, you know, you never know, man. 48:48.040 --> 48:48.480 Well. 48:48.620 --> 48:50.620 You never know who's going to be in the audience. 48:50.900 --> 48:52.120 You just really never know. 48:52.600 --> 48:58.020 Well, I understand the audience and being in the mall in public with people walking around. 48:58.180 --> 48:59.980 You know, the girls walk by, you get distracted. 49:00.240 --> 49:01.280 I know how all that works. 49:01.300 --> 49:03.380 Yeah, we have to start over two or three times, yeah. 49:03.380 --> 49:08.120 But, well, what it was was this was my first presentation of this. 49:08.220 --> 49:09.500 And I didn't know how it would go. 49:10.020 --> 49:11.660 While I presented, I actually picked up. 49:11.720 --> 49:12.800 I'm like, man, I already said that. 49:12.820 --> 49:16.440 It has some repetition in there, some stuff I need to clean up, stuff like that. 49:16.500 --> 49:20.720 So, I'm going to hopefully kind of redesign, rework a few things in there I didn't like. 49:20.880 --> 49:24.440 And try to spice it up is really, because it's so, so dry. 49:24.520 --> 49:26.180 And that was the biggest problem, I think. 49:26.660 --> 49:27.800 I like the video idea. 49:28.120 --> 49:31.420 Yeah, I think I might try to do that if I have the capability. 49:31.420 --> 49:33.520 That's really the bigger question than the time. 49:34.420 --> 49:39.540 So, yeah, I'm going to try to do something like that as well, because basically I'm really, like I said, 49:39.580 --> 49:44.780 going into some very technical detail about the S400, which basically means a whole lot of screenshots. 49:45.740 --> 49:50.020 And slide after slide of screenshot gets really old and boring. 49:50.020 --> 49:58.860 You look at it for a second, yet I talk for five minutes, and it's like, okay, we've been looking at the same slide, the same picture for five minutes while you talk. 49:59.240 --> 50:04.500 People need something to keep their eyes from wandering and to keep them focused on the topic at hand, 50:04.540 --> 50:08.820 because it gets boring to just sit there and listen to somebody while you're looking at the same thing. 50:08.820 --> 50:12.360 So, I want to kind of spice it up a little bit, I think. 50:12.500 --> 50:15.900 I think it's still, it's still going to be boring, don't get me wrong. 50:16.900 --> 50:21.280 I mean, it's still going to be rough, but I'm going to still stick with it and give it a shot. 50:22.340 --> 50:23.360 No, it'll be all right. 50:23.540 --> 50:24.260 We'll be all right. 50:24.460 --> 50:24.880 We'll see. 50:26.040 --> 50:26.660 We'll see. 50:27.660 --> 50:31.340 So, yeah, again, we had new people, so shouts out to them. 50:32.060 --> 50:33.780 I almost missed out on my cookies. 50:35.020 --> 50:36.400 No, she wouldn't let you miss out. 50:36.400 --> 50:37.840 Yeah, I almost missed out on my cookies. 50:37.980 --> 50:41.120 Actually, just before we started recording, I ate my last cookie already. 50:42.100 --> 50:42.820 You still have them? 50:43.200 --> 50:45.780 Well, actually, everybody ganked them at the meeting. 50:45.880 --> 50:47.320 I only took home two cookies. 50:48.440 --> 50:49.980 I ate one yesterday and one today. 50:50.000 --> 50:50.900 There were like nine or ten in the back. 50:51.320 --> 50:51.600 Huh? 50:51.860 --> 50:53.600 I thought you had like nine or ten in the back. 50:53.700 --> 50:54.420 Yeah, there were. 50:55.320 --> 50:58.140 By the time the meeting got their hands in the back. 50:59.280 --> 51:00.540 Oh, that's cool. 51:00.600 --> 51:01.020 That's fine. 51:01.080 --> 51:02.040 I brought two cookies home. 51:02.120 --> 51:03.280 I had one yesterday, one today. 51:04.240 --> 51:04.700 What is it? 51:04.740 --> 51:06.080 The original cookie company. 51:06.660 --> 51:08.100 Oh, that's good stuff, man. 51:08.860 --> 51:09.580 The original cookie. 51:10.040 --> 51:10.260 Huh? 51:10.740 --> 51:11.320 Well, both. 51:11.680 --> 51:12.020 Okay. 51:13.420 --> 51:14.140 Okay, man. 51:14.200 --> 51:15.900 Don't put me on the point here now. 51:16.000 --> 51:16.320 All right. 51:16.380 --> 51:16.600 I'm sorry. 51:18.480 --> 51:19.640 And let's see. 51:21.780 --> 51:23.660 Oh, I'm shopping for digital cameras. 51:23.720 --> 51:24.400 I've talked about that. 51:24.440 --> 51:26.420 I think I've come down and made a decision. 51:26.520 --> 51:27.560 I'll probably be buying it tomorrow. 51:27.660 --> 51:31.440 I'm going with the Kodak CX7430. 51:31.440 --> 51:34.680 I think that's got the best combination of features that I want. 51:35.000 --> 51:36.760 It uses SD flash memory. 51:36.900 --> 51:41.240 I want to make sure I use secure digital because I already have some secure digital devices, 51:41.560 --> 51:44.140 and it keeps me from adopting another standard card. 51:44.480 --> 51:45.720 So that's kind of important to me. 51:45.720 --> 51:51.900 I can mix and match and swap cards in and out with my digital video camera and other things, my PDA, stuff like that. 51:52.240 --> 51:52.880 What kind is it? 51:53.700 --> 51:55.300 I'm sorry, the camera or the... 51:55.300 --> 51:55.920 Yeah, the camera. 51:56.000 --> 51:59.380 I'm going with the Kodak CX7430. 52:00.800 --> 52:02.760 What kind of media does it take? 52:02.760 --> 52:05.560 It uses SD flash memory, secure digital. 52:05.780 --> 52:05.980 Oh, okay. 52:06.200 --> 52:10.040 Secure digital, and it comes with, I think, 16 megs internal. 52:10.160 --> 52:14.280 So even if I were to lose it or something like that, it'll still function and work, which is kind of cool. 52:14.360 --> 52:15.620 It won't hold a whole lot. 52:15.940 --> 52:16.480 SD only? 52:17.220 --> 52:18.240 SD only, right. 52:18.340 --> 52:18.500 Okay. 52:18.740 --> 52:19.580 Yes, SD only. 52:20.840 --> 52:26.500 Purposely, first of all, I write off Sony completely because they use proprietary memory stick crap, 52:27.000 --> 52:30.280 and I just can't stand Sony as a company because they always want to... 52:30.280 --> 52:31.040 They're like Microsoft. 52:31.040 --> 52:36.220 They always want to ignore standards and ignore things that are already established and come up with their own stuff. 52:36.840 --> 52:41.360 And I just can't stand that about them, and I will never, ever, ever support Sony. 52:41.720 --> 52:42.500 Can't stand them. 52:42.540 --> 52:45.800 Besides, damn it, how did you pull me onto the soapbox? 52:46.280 --> 52:46.940 Damn you. 52:47.320 --> 52:58.880 I can't stand them because they're a company of hypocrites because the irony is so hypocritical when they're going to get up there and start complaining about how they're anti... 52:58.880 --> 53:01.120 You don't want anybody to come back and say what it was based on something. 53:01.320 --> 53:01.820 What's that? 53:02.560 --> 53:05.840 You don't want anybody to come and say it was based on something. 53:05.840 --> 53:14.240 Well, they complain about piracy and stuff like that, yet they sell CD and DVD burners. 53:15.520 --> 53:16.440 I mean, the irony there. 53:16.520 --> 53:26.940 Sony Music, Sony Entertainment, you know, yet they also have a Sony hardware, and they try to put digital rights management into their hardware at some point. 53:26.940 --> 53:38.100 And then they try to start that mini-disc standard because they, oh yeah, we're going to adopt your mini-disc because CDs, we don't want to use the cheapest form of medium out there that we can get anywhere and use freely and easily. 53:38.200 --> 53:39.580 We're going to adopt your mini-disc. 53:40.120 --> 53:41.800 Dumb asses they are. 53:42.920 --> 53:43.320 Anyway. 53:43.900 --> 53:44.900 The language, the language. 53:45.140 --> 53:45.720 I know. 53:46.020 --> 53:47.120 Damn it, you... 53:47.120 --> 53:50.200 I don't know how I got led onto that one. 53:51.500 --> 53:53.560 You didn't know that was my sore spot, I guess. 53:53.600 --> 53:54.360 I hate Sony. 53:55.360 --> 53:56.720 No, I didn't know that, actually. 53:56.760 --> 53:59.000 I can't stand Sony. 53:59.420 --> 54:01.820 Even though, boy, they make good televisions. 54:01.840 --> 54:02.820 They're good products, though. 54:02.940 --> 54:06.420 They make good televisions, I've got to say that, but I'll still never buy one on principle alone. 54:08.900 --> 54:10.000 So, yeah, I went with that one. 54:10.120 --> 54:11.660 It's a four-megapixel camera. 54:11.820 --> 54:13.400 The reason I bought it is for Hope, frankly. 54:13.680 --> 54:14.960 I don't have a digital camera. 54:15.020 --> 54:16.900 I have the digital video camera. 54:17.300 --> 54:24.120 And it does take one-megapixel still pics, but I want something a little bit better quality and something a little smaller that I can carry around more easily. 54:24.120 --> 54:25.080 In my pocket or something. 54:25.420 --> 54:26.960 So, it's a four-megapixel camera. 54:29.200 --> 54:31.520 Takes video clips, which is something else I wanted. 54:31.940 --> 54:38.960 I want to be able to take short video clips, kind of covertly, go into the kiosk and Walmart or something like that, film some stuff like that covertly and quickly. 54:39.400 --> 54:41.660 Quality, of course, is not going to be great, but it'll work. 54:41.880 --> 54:42.940 You know, it'll get the job done. 54:42.940 --> 54:47.340 And, let's see, SD-RAM I mentioned. 54:48.420 --> 54:49.500 It had really good reviews. 54:49.600 --> 54:50.320 Most people liked it. 54:50.400 --> 54:51.240 And, you know what? 54:51.260 --> 54:56.720 One of the other selling features, didn't even care, didn't even think about it when I was looking at the cameras. 54:56.820 --> 55:04.080 But when I actually went to look at some in the store to try them out, Kodak makes a docking station that will... 55:04.080 --> 55:08.660 One of the knocks against most digital cameras, and this one's no exception, was that the batteries run out quickly. 55:09.620 --> 55:12.220 Well, Kodak and HP also was one of my finalists. 55:12.260 --> 55:19.800 They both make docking stations, and I'm sure others do too, that comes with rechargeable batteries, and you can dock your camera on there and recharge the batteries easily. 55:19.800 --> 55:30.700 Well, they also have an upgraded docking station that's a printer docking station, so I get the rechargeable batteries and everything, and photo quality printing. 55:31.580 --> 55:37.500 Only $150, which, that's nothing to sneeze, don't get me wrong, but that's a good deal to me that I can dock the camera. 55:37.860 --> 55:41.780 I get rechargeable batteries, so I never have to pay money and buy batteries all the time. 55:42.600 --> 55:47.760 Dock the camera right there and print something on demand, no computer necessary, just print it directly from the camera. 55:47.760 --> 55:52.580 High quality, glossy photo paper, print stuff on demand. 55:52.840 --> 55:55.400 Yeah, the docking station and the printer? 55:55.520 --> 55:56.780 And the printer for $150. 55:57.500 --> 55:58.340 What kind of printer? 55:59.000 --> 56:04.660 It's a little photo. It prints up to 4x6, I think. It prints directly only on photo paper. 56:05.040 --> 56:09.620 And it's small. It's just about the size of the camera, so it's very small. I can put it in a little carrying bag. 56:10.580 --> 56:17.640 And if we're at Hope, and I take an embarrassing picture of you in the hotel room, I can print it out and go put it in the lobby within minutes. 56:18.760 --> 56:21.540 Hmm. That's kind of cool. 56:21.680 --> 56:24.020 Yeah, so make sure you don't get in any compromising situations. 56:26.900 --> 56:35.300 Also for Hope, and I guess we can, I mean, I think we kind of said this before, we might as well announce officially that you and I are both confirmed now. 56:35.380 --> 56:37.760 We've got our flights confirmed and everything that we'll be at Hope. 56:38.120 --> 56:38.420 All right. 56:38.420 --> 56:40.640 And we're meeting up with a bunch of other people there. 56:40.700 --> 56:42.760 Cy Pete's going with us, and we're meeting some other people. 56:43.420 --> 56:45.160 So the room's all booked up and filled. 56:45.920 --> 56:51.660 But also what I'm doing is trying to, I'm putting together a CD of the radio show. 56:51.660 --> 56:56.120 I'm going to try to put all 50, the first 50 episodes, onto a CD and hand them out. 56:56.540 --> 56:58.120 So be looking for that. 56:58.620 --> 57:05.560 And issue 2.1 of Binary Revolution magazine, I'll say should be ready. 57:06.160 --> 57:07.220 It's going to be ready. 57:07.340 --> 57:08.340 I mean, it's almost done. 57:08.400 --> 57:10.340 I got off the phone with Logan earlier today. 57:11.860 --> 57:12.740 I've seen the cover. 57:12.800 --> 57:14.300 He's given me the cover, which is finished. 57:15.020 --> 57:15.860 Looks wonderful. 57:16.000 --> 57:16.580 No changes. 57:16.720 --> 57:20.120 It's absolutely exactly the way we talked about it, the way I described it and envisioned it. 57:20.120 --> 57:21.200 So the cover looks great. 57:23.500 --> 57:27.320 And I'm just proofing the articles for typos or any last-minute little things. 57:27.380 --> 57:28.440 We've already proofed it once. 57:28.520 --> 57:29.640 This is the final go-over. 57:30.160 --> 57:33.580 So it's really almost completely finished. 57:34.240 --> 57:37.360 So as soon as we get it finished and printed, I will put it up on the website. 57:37.900 --> 57:41.000 Something tells me it's going to be really, really close to Hope. 57:41.100 --> 57:46.060 So if that's the case, we might not have it on the website until after Hope. 57:46.060 --> 57:49.120 So if you're going to be at Hope, you might be better off to buy it there. 57:50.120 --> 57:55.540 Because once we get it finished and take it to the printers and everything, it's probably going to be Hope time. 57:57.000 --> 58:00.140 So that's good news for anybody who's been waiting for Issue 3. 58:00.360 --> 58:01.400 And don't wait. 58:01.540 --> 58:02.700 Start sending in for Issue 4. 58:02.800 --> 58:03.720 Maybe we can get it done quicker. 58:05.140 --> 58:08.280 And I bought a terabyte of storage this past week. 58:08.360 --> 58:15.760 I bought four 250-gig hard drives and some external USB 2.0 cases to put them in so I can finally have true backups. 58:15.760 --> 58:22.640 So I'm actually going to have mobile backups that I can stick up on the shelf every few months, do a true, complete backup on my system so I don't lose anything. 58:23.200 --> 58:25.580 Something I've been wanting to do for a long time and couldn't afford it. 58:25.700 --> 58:27.760 So I finally saved up and bought that. 58:27.760 --> 58:37.120 Oh man, now we are, let's see, I think we're well up on time. 58:37.440 --> 58:42.400 Now we've got a few, let's touch, the main story I wanted to talk about is actually going to be a pretty quick one. 58:42.400 --> 58:51.240 Um, but, um, another thing I did this weekend, did you want, is there anything else you wanted to bring up before we move on to the three blind freaks? 58:52.860 --> 58:54.800 No, I'm pretty sure that, that'll handle it. 58:54.820 --> 58:56.240 We could have some fun on that. 58:56.580 --> 58:58.480 Yeah, the, anything else from the meeting? 58:58.560 --> 59:00.220 Are we shouting at, we make sure we shout out everybody? 59:00.940 --> 59:01.340 Um. 59:02.960 --> 59:04.340 Yeah, I guess, I guess it's everybody. 59:04.460 --> 59:05.840 We'll think about it before the end. 59:05.840 --> 59:08.840 Um, I caught up on my reading. 59:09.180 --> 59:16.880 I have, at any given time, no exaggeration, I mean, I've said before, I subscribe to 30, 40, 50 magazines a month. 59:17.360 --> 59:27.360 So at any given time, I've got 100 or more laying around open to an article that I'm in the middle of, or I bookmarked so that I could talk about it on a show, and this is one of those cases. 59:27.360 --> 59:35.780 This is an old article, it's from February Wired Magazine, February 2004 issue of Wired Magazine, and it's called Three Blind Freaks. 59:35.840 --> 59:42.780 It's, like, three blind mice see how they run, I wonder if that's a pun, if that was intended to be. 59:43.120 --> 59:54.920 Anyway, it's about the Badir brothers from Israel, um, it's written by Michael Kaplan, and it's basically, okay, well, here's the little subheader, it says, 59:54.920 --> 01:00:03.720 Three Blind Freaks, How the Phone Freaking Badir Brothers Ran Rings Around Israel's Telcos for Six Scam-Filled Years. 01:00:03.720 --> 01:00:09.040 Now, Wired is very hit and miss on their articles. 01:00:09.640 --> 01:00:13.820 Generally, people bash Wired a lot for not having a whole lot of credibility. 01:00:14.640 --> 01:00:17.340 I don't buy into that, I think that sometimes they have good stuff. 01:00:18.140 --> 01:00:19.620 I'm not sure if this is one of them. 01:00:19.960 --> 01:00:21.920 This may be one of the ones where people question it. 01:00:21.920 --> 01:00:30.800 The way this was written, and some of the claims come across really, almost, not unbelievable, but non-believable. 01:00:31.020 --> 01:00:38.220 I know there's no difference in those two words, but the way they're described, I mean, some of these, some of these things in here are just silly, what they described. 01:00:38.220 --> 01:00:51.360 Almost like it was ripped out of a movie script or fake, you know, you know, claims about how they, uh, what was one in here I read earlier about, um, they kept sending this guy an email with his password in it over and over. 01:00:51.760 --> 01:00:55.520 Every time he changed his password, he claims he got another email with his password in it. 01:00:55.520 --> 01:00:59.480 I mean, that's just, that sounds like something out of Hackers, the movie, or something. 01:00:59.580 --> 01:01:01.040 It doesn't sound real, you know? 01:01:01.180 --> 01:01:13.000 I mean, yes, it's possible, but it just sounds, there's like, when you combine a whole bunch of these together, these little accusations and stories, I'm not sure how much credibility exists in this story, so. 01:01:13.740 --> 01:01:17.400 Yeah, some of those kind of sound a little bit too far-fetched to me. 01:01:18.200 --> 01:01:23.600 And here, I'll give you some of the highlights of this story, some of the main claims that were made here. 01:01:23.600 --> 01:01:27.440 I'll, like, that one was a minor one, I didn't even list that one, but here's some of the major ones. 01:01:27.500 --> 01:01:30.100 Like, first of all, they are blind. 01:01:30.220 --> 01:01:32.640 These three brothers were all blind, okay? 01:01:34.120 --> 01:01:48.620 Now, I, no, no, and don't get me, don't get me wrong, we know, blind people can do a lot of things, and there are tools to help make other things easier, and, you know, even, I even believe the thing that, you know, when you lose one of your senses, your others are more heightened and stuff like that. 01:01:48.620 --> 01:01:49.300 I got that. 01:01:49.600 --> 01:02:03.980 So, for example, the first, one of the first things in here, he starts off talking about how he dialed his phone, his cell phone, and before it started ringing, he was sitting at the table with these guys, and the kid read his number back to him, because he heard it from the touchstones. 01:02:03.980 --> 01:02:05.900 Now, I believe that. 01:02:05.940 --> 01:02:07.040 You can hear touchstones and tell. 01:02:07.100 --> 01:02:10.720 Some people have a very finely tuned ear, and they can tell exactly what tone was pushed. 01:02:11.100 --> 01:02:11.320 Yeah. 01:02:11.620 --> 01:02:13.100 You know, so I can believe that. 01:02:13.140 --> 01:02:14.100 That's believable, right? 01:02:14.440 --> 01:02:14.700 Yeah. 01:02:14.760 --> 01:02:15.920 That's not too far-fetched. 01:02:15.920 --> 01:02:37.880 Well, it goes on a little bit more, and it talks about how these three brothers, when they were younger, were picked on by other kids, and whenever they wanted to talk to each other, they invented their own secret language to talk to each other in front of the other kids so they wouldn't get beaten up or they wouldn't get picked on and stuff like that. 01:02:37.880 --> 01:02:41.460 So they made up their own secret mathematical language, is the way they called it. 01:02:41.460 --> 01:02:42.980 Now, come on. 01:02:43.440 --> 01:02:57.280 I mean, kids, when they're younger, making up a secret mathematical language, that sounds a little, that sounds like, you know, I don't know, Encyclopedia Brown. 01:02:57.400 --> 01:02:59.800 That sounds kind of, I don't know. 01:03:02.120 --> 01:03:05.060 Again, it's possible, but I mean, come on. 01:03:05.120 --> 01:03:07.020 That sounds very far-fetched. 01:03:07.020 --> 01:03:10.180 Like, how long did it take them to develop this language? 01:03:11.720 --> 01:03:13.460 Yeah, and language is a strong word. 01:03:13.540 --> 01:03:16.540 Maybe they had a couple code words that they had or something. 01:03:17.120 --> 01:03:22.280 That I could see, but to call it, they had their own mathematical language, I think is the way they were. 01:03:22.280 --> 01:03:28.720 They were blind, so how did they know, you know, I mean, if they were blind. 01:03:28.880 --> 01:03:29.960 They're blind, not deaf. 01:03:30.040 --> 01:03:35.420 They were talking to the, you know, because they see one, you know, they can't see one another, so how did they know if... 01:03:35.420 --> 01:03:36.700 Well, they're blind, they're not deaf. 01:03:37.360 --> 01:03:42.280 Yeah, but I'm talking about, as far as being close, they have to be, like, close to one another all the time or something. 01:03:42.560 --> 01:03:44.740 Well, yeah, yeah, I guess. 01:03:44.860 --> 01:03:46.900 But if you're getting beat up, come on. 01:03:47.140 --> 01:03:47.460 Well. 01:03:47.860 --> 01:03:49.720 I mean, I'm not beat up on two blind kids. 01:03:49.860 --> 01:03:50.540 That doesn't... 01:03:50.540 --> 01:03:52.280 Well, yeah, and you know what, that's a good point. 01:03:52.280 --> 01:03:55.300 Even, that's even more, well, I guess you never know. 01:03:55.460 --> 01:03:59.900 It's a different, this is in Israel, who knows what their culture and how, you know, what kind of stuff goes on there either. 01:04:00.140 --> 01:04:02.600 Well, if they were legally blind, not blind, blind, but... 01:04:02.600 --> 01:04:04.300 No, they're full-on blind, apparently. 01:04:04.600 --> 01:04:05.060 Oh, okay. 01:04:05.420 --> 01:04:11.400 All right, and this is what the big, this is the main gist of the article. 01:04:11.700 --> 01:04:13.540 This is what they're accused of doing. 01:04:14.720 --> 01:04:22.540 It says that they pulled in more than $2 million by running a long-distance company by using a radio station's phone lines. 01:04:22.980 --> 01:04:23.340 Yeah, right. 01:04:23.340 --> 01:04:27.360 Now, this was, not only was it a radio station, a government radio station. 01:04:27.360 --> 01:04:34.740 They say they chose the government because the government didn't use the same restrictions or something, and it was more open or something. 01:04:34.740 --> 01:04:36.020 This is the Israeli government. 01:04:36.460 --> 01:04:36.920 Yeah, right. 01:04:36.920 --> 01:04:49.160 So, they claimed that what they did, basically, was basically got in there and got control of those switching systems and changed it so that they could use their switches to send outgoing long-distance calls. 01:04:49.160 --> 01:04:56.420 But the calls were originating from the phone, from the radio station's switching system and therefore billed to them. 01:04:56.420 --> 01:05:03.020 So, they set up their own long-distance company using those radio stations' phone lines. 01:05:03.300 --> 01:05:07.840 They were getting paid by the customers, but the bill back was going back to this radio station. 01:05:07.840 --> 01:05:09.760 Now, hold on. 01:05:09.800 --> 01:05:12.700 Before we go, again, that sounds like something out of a movie. 01:05:13.620 --> 01:05:17.360 But technically, that's probably possible. 01:05:17.760 --> 01:05:22.600 Very, very far-fetched, but possible on a technical level. 01:05:23.040 --> 01:05:27.880 It's still bringing me back to how can two blind guys pull this off? 01:05:29.240 --> 01:05:29.760 Three. 01:05:30.480 --> 01:05:31.400 Three, I'm sorry. 01:05:31.560 --> 01:05:32.360 Even three, right? 01:05:32.720 --> 01:05:34.020 Three blind freaks, I'm sorry. 01:05:34.020 --> 01:05:37.860 Yeah, that's rough, right? 01:05:38.780 --> 01:05:40.220 That's... 01:05:40.220 --> 01:05:45.460 How could three fully-sighted rocket scientists pull this off, you know? 01:05:45.640 --> 01:05:45.880 Yeah. 01:05:46.500 --> 01:05:48.240 That's definitely very tricky. 01:05:48.400 --> 01:05:56.720 And secondly, logistically, how did this radio station not notice two million dollars of the phone calls? 01:05:57.380 --> 01:05:58.840 Military radio station. 01:05:59.380 --> 01:06:01.220 Come on, I don't... 01:06:01.220 --> 01:06:03.940 This is really, really starting to stretch it. 01:06:03.940 --> 01:06:09.860 You know, it's like one or two things, and I said this before, coincidences happen all the time. 01:06:10.080 --> 01:06:16.760 But when you get a series of coincidences, or a series of unbelievable claims like these, you start to question. 01:06:17.400 --> 01:06:17.600 Yeah. 01:06:17.800 --> 01:06:18.260 You know? 01:06:18.420 --> 01:06:19.740 And that's basically what I'm saying. 01:06:20.100 --> 01:06:20.900 Like, here's another one. 01:06:20.900 --> 01:06:28.040 The article makes them out in several examples that they are these just master social engineers that could fool people into anything. 01:06:28.440 --> 01:06:31.180 They called secretaries and got passwords from their bosses. 01:06:31.420 --> 01:06:37.720 They called government agents and got them to reset settings on these switches and give them access and stuff like that. 01:06:38.760 --> 01:06:39.140 Sure. 01:06:39.540 --> 01:06:39.820 Yeah. 01:06:39.820 --> 01:06:42.920 There's plenty of social engineers out there. 01:06:43.000 --> 01:06:45.620 There's plenty of really good social engineers out there. 01:06:46.240 --> 01:06:47.160 It's pretty common. 01:06:47.160 --> 01:06:51.060 So, yeah, that's believable and all, but once again, more to the pattern. 01:06:51.220 --> 01:06:56.080 I mean, three blind freaks with a Superman logo on their chest or something. 01:06:56.160 --> 01:06:57.080 These guys can do anything? 01:06:57.920 --> 01:07:00.200 Really getting to be a stretch for here. 01:07:00.600 --> 01:07:04.960 And another thing they did, accusedly, allegedly, I don't know if this stuff... 01:07:04.960 --> 01:07:08.600 Well, they went to jail anyway, one of them for it, and I'll talk about that in a second. 01:07:09.120 --> 01:07:16.120 It says they made money by rerouting phone sex calls to a company in the Dominican Republic and getting paid for referrals. 01:07:16.640 --> 01:07:19.040 And they used other companies' lines to do this. 01:07:19.040 --> 01:07:25.400 So they got paid for sending calls to this phone sex company for each call, but they used other companies' lines to do it. 01:07:25.480 --> 01:07:27.040 Similar back to the radio station situation. 01:07:29.260 --> 01:07:34.160 Again, possible, but how many of these are they getting away with and that we're going to believe all of them? 01:07:34.960 --> 01:07:42.140 And then, finally, they're accused of stealing a whole database of credit card numbers from a phone sex company. 01:07:42.740 --> 01:07:45.300 The same phone sex company that we're rewriting the phone from? 01:07:45.400 --> 01:07:47.960 Yeah, I didn't catch if it was the same company or not. 01:07:48.180 --> 01:07:49.280 I did not catch that. 01:07:49.760 --> 01:07:54.300 Again, sure, you can steal a database from a company, but did that really happen? 01:07:54.420 --> 01:07:56.820 I mean, what's the deal here? 01:07:57.800 --> 01:08:01.920 Well, there must be some foundation of fact here. 01:08:01.920 --> 01:08:10.800 I think the facts are in there somewhere and it's a true story somewhat, but I think this author, Michael Kaplan, I think he took some liberties to really decorate this up. 01:08:11.640 --> 01:08:12.500 You know, what do they call it? 01:08:13.940 --> 01:08:14.700 Sensationalistic journalism. 01:08:15.420 --> 01:08:23.120 I mean, he really played a lot of this stuff up talking about all these, like, oh, come on, the investigator was getting emails with his password in it. 01:08:23.120 --> 01:08:24.660 Here's a funny story. 01:08:24.780 --> 01:08:27.140 It says, where was I? 01:08:27.180 --> 01:08:27.820 I lost my spot here. 01:08:28.160 --> 01:08:38.560 The brothers reportedly contacted Israel's DMV and registered Osmo's car, which is an investigator, under another name, causing embarrassing problems for the investigator when he tried to sell his vehicle. 01:08:38.860 --> 01:08:40.460 That's straight out of Hackers the movie. 01:08:40.460 --> 01:08:49.720 I don't believe this is, you know, these are a bunch of stories that, I just, I can't, he can't have, he can't have verified all that kind of stuff. 01:08:49.800 --> 01:08:52.460 I think he threw a lot of that stuff in there to make the story more exciting. 01:08:53.180 --> 01:08:53.400 Yeah. 01:08:53.400 --> 01:09:06.920 So, anyway, there is, there must be some foundation because the guy spent four, the main guy, Rami, I think is his name, R-A-M-Y, Rami, Rami, not Ramsey from The Broken, whole different guy. 01:09:07.900 --> 01:09:14.960 Rami Badir, he spent four years in jail for the whole radio station thing. 01:09:14.960 --> 01:09:26.400 And even though they couldn't accuse him or they couldn't prove it or something, it was kind of a, I won't say a Mitnick deal, but they got him on enough other things that they kept him in for four years. 01:09:26.480 --> 01:09:27.440 They finally let him out. 01:09:28.120 --> 01:09:34.300 He comes out and he's, according to this article, has a huge mansion being built in one of the best parts of town. 01:09:35.240 --> 01:09:38.000 So, supposedly, I guess he's got money to be able to do that. 01:09:38.000 --> 01:09:46.020 He's buying all this expensive computer equipment, Braille, touchscreen monitors, and computer, you know, all these special blind computer equipment. 01:09:46.520 --> 01:09:53.800 And he claims while he was in jail that he has written this PBX firewall software program while in prison, mind you. 01:09:55.840 --> 01:09:57.020 Don't make me laugh. 01:09:57.140 --> 01:09:57.840 It is fine. 01:09:57.940 --> 01:09:58.800 While in prison. 01:09:58.880 --> 01:09:59.880 Yeah, a blind guy. 01:10:00.600 --> 01:10:01.620 While in prison. 01:10:02.860 --> 01:10:05.640 Who's never seen a PBX phone system before. 01:10:05.640 --> 01:10:06.000 Yeah. 01:10:06.000 --> 01:10:10.120 Well, he claims he's the master of the phone system, so he could do this. 01:10:10.500 --> 01:10:20.060 And he even quoted, there was a quote in here, and I don't, I can't find it on the spot like this, but he's basically saying that, um, who knows the phone system better than him? 01:10:20.140 --> 01:10:22.900 He's, he's, uh, here it is right here. 01:10:23.100 --> 01:10:24.600 I'm inventing a PBX firewall. 01:10:24.780 --> 01:10:27.020 I know all the weakest spots of a telephone system. 01:10:27.120 --> 01:10:30.140 I can protect any system from infiltration. 01:10:31.580 --> 01:10:32.280 Come on. 01:10:32.280 --> 01:10:36.020 Infiltration will be impossible with his PBX fireball. 01:10:36.400 --> 01:10:42.580 And if that's, if that's true, the guy's going to be a multimillionaire if he's not already from his alleged scams and stuff like that. 01:10:42.780 --> 01:10:44.440 Yeah, but whatever happened to the other two brothers? 01:10:45.240 --> 01:10:45.860 I don't know. 01:10:45.960 --> 01:10:47.460 It looks like he carried them, actually. 01:10:48.240 --> 01:10:50.880 According to the story, it makes it look like he did most of the work. 01:10:50.940 --> 01:10:51.860 He's the one that got busted. 01:10:52.360 --> 01:10:55.960 The others, I guess, were accomplices and probably got lesser sentences or whatever. 01:10:55.960 --> 01:10:58.440 And maybe there is context on the outside. 01:10:58.560 --> 01:11:04.420 I don't, there's some holes in this article and some unbelievable things in this article that just don't quite add up for me. 01:11:04.640 --> 01:11:11.520 So, yeah, I'm going to, I'm not going to call, well, I can't say the word because I'm trying to cut back on my language. 01:11:11.620 --> 01:11:13.540 I'm going to call shenanigans on this one. 01:11:13.840 --> 01:11:14.480 That's busted. 01:11:14.480 --> 01:11:17.300 Yeah, I'm going to say this is, this myth may be busted. 01:11:17.420 --> 01:11:28.100 Well, no, I'll tell you what, I will, if anybody listening has more information or has some credible reason to make me believe some of these things, 01:11:29.440 --> 01:11:31.320 it's, I think the truth is somewhere in there. 01:11:31.360 --> 01:11:35.300 Like I said, I think they probably broke into the system, tried routing calls out of it. 01:11:35.700 --> 01:11:38.760 They claim they lost or made two million or whatever. 01:11:38.940 --> 01:11:40.140 There was enough to bust them. 01:11:40.440 --> 01:11:42.420 I think that's the only truth to the story. 01:11:42.420 --> 01:11:44.580 Everything else was sensationalized and popped up. 01:11:45.060 --> 01:11:48.940 And then he said, you know what, I need another paragraph to make everybody believe how scary they are. 01:11:49.180 --> 01:11:52.580 Oh, I'll put in a thing that they emailed his password to him over and over again. 01:11:53.340 --> 01:11:58.780 Oh, I'll put in a thing in here that says that they changed his DMV paperwork so that he couldn't sell his car. 01:11:58.880 --> 01:12:00.320 Yeah, that'll make him sound cool. 01:12:00.620 --> 01:12:03.100 I think there was some sensationalism going on there. 01:12:03.120 --> 01:12:04.040 That's all I'm saying. 01:12:04.600 --> 01:12:06.680 And that's, I think, the fault of the author. 01:12:06.680 --> 01:12:15.800 But, again, if somebody knows otherwise, and if you go out and search for these Badir brothers, if you do a Google search, the incident did happen. 01:12:15.920 --> 01:12:18.260 I found news articles that were dated. 01:12:18.460 --> 01:12:22.980 But, people, when I do these stories on here, I'm not only going by the Wired story. 01:12:22.980 --> 01:12:25.980 I go out and do the research. 01:12:26.260 --> 01:12:27.620 This is a research show. 01:12:27.740 --> 01:12:31.420 I go out and learn and find out information on this stuff and verify it. 01:12:31.440 --> 01:12:32.640 Same thing with the magazine. 01:12:33.120 --> 01:12:36.620 When I get article submissions for Binary Revolution magazine, I verify them. 01:12:36.680 --> 01:12:40.240 I'm not going to blindly print something that I can't prove works for a fact. 01:12:40.840 --> 01:12:46.040 I want to print something out there that doesn't work and makes us look like fools or makes us look like we don't know what we're talking about. 01:12:46.040 --> 01:12:48.520 Same with this article and every article we do. 01:12:48.600 --> 01:12:57.820 I go out there and I do my research and I try to verify or disprove, like the Mythbusters, I go out there and I try to find the truth. 01:12:58.240 --> 01:12:59.820 This incident happened. 01:13:00.920 --> 01:13:02.040 There's no doubt of that. 01:13:02.040 --> 01:13:07.360 I found headlines from 1999 with the proper names. 01:13:07.760 --> 01:13:08.940 All the names matched up. 01:13:09.040 --> 01:13:10.300 The accusations were there. 01:13:10.300 --> 01:13:20.260 Something happened with this phone company with them breaking in and something along those lines, but no details on exactly what happened. 01:13:20.700 --> 01:13:26.380 And I definitely could not find any verifying on him emailing the password and changing his DMV information. 01:13:26.540 --> 01:13:27.420 So that's the stuff. 01:13:27.480 --> 01:13:30.000 I think a lot of the extra was thrown in there. 01:13:30.660 --> 01:13:32.480 So that's what I'm saying on this story. 01:13:32.780 --> 01:13:34.840 I'm just not sure really what to make out of it. 01:13:34.840 --> 01:13:38.440 But anyway, this was from February. 01:13:38.640 --> 01:13:41.140 It's months old now, so I'm going to move on. 01:13:42.080 --> 01:13:44.840 Move on and wrap up the show, I think, is a good topic. 01:13:45.460 --> 01:13:46.000 Well, you know what? 01:13:46.240 --> 01:13:46.780 Tell you what. 01:13:47.120 --> 01:13:49.740 Not only – okay, we know that some of these things are possible. 01:13:49.780 --> 01:13:50.960 Let's go back to the radio station. 01:13:51.040 --> 01:13:52.140 We have a few minutes here. 01:13:52.200 --> 01:13:53.360 Let's fill up a couple more minutes. 01:13:53.460 --> 01:13:57.940 I don't want to end the show quite – I'm going to use my whole hour and a half, damn it, even though it's an hour show. 01:13:57.940 --> 01:14:07.480 Now, the radio station phone line thing, you tell me – yes, you know, it's possible. 01:14:07.600 --> 01:14:08.400 Anything is possible. 01:14:08.680 --> 01:14:11.000 But you tell me how likely it is. 01:14:11.060 --> 01:14:12.400 You would know better than I would. 01:14:12.460 --> 01:14:20.280 How likely is it to go in and do something, to take over the switching or – and it's not like there's one switch, like there's a magic button. 01:14:20.840 --> 01:14:22.800 Oh, flip it from paying them to paying me. 01:14:22.860 --> 01:14:23.680 It's not that simple. 01:14:24.340 --> 01:14:25.040 Yeah, I mean – 01:14:25.040 --> 01:14:27.220 How likely is it that they could have done this? 01:14:27.940 --> 01:14:32.380 I'm definitely saying that that's not likely. 01:14:32.620 --> 01:14:39.800 I mean, there are passwords, there are passwords on passwords, you need secure IDs. 01:14:40.720 --> 01:14:41.200 Oh, but they were – 01:14:41.200 --> 01:14:50.060 There are so many different keys implemented as far as gaining access to these systems that – I mean, I'm pretty sure Israel is an exception. 01:14:50.060 --> 01:15:10.120 They also must have some sort of – you know, you can't just waltz into some marine or military base and – or even remotely try to reroute calls or make a – make a long-distance company through their line. 01:15:10.240 --> 01:15:11.500 Come on, that's – 01:15:11.500 --> 01:15:13.460 Yeah, making a whole company. 01:15:13.460 --> 01:15:14.600 No, I don't do that for half a second. 01:15:14.880 --> 01:15:19.080 To make a whole company, they would have to have some kind of billing system and stuff in effect too, right? 01:15:19.820 --> 01:15:20.560 Right, yeah. 01:15:20.560 --> 01:15:26.100 You have to say, okay, these numbers are – belong to you and – 01:15:26.100 --> 01:15:26.760 Accounting. 01:15:26.760 --> 01:15:36.360 Come on, it's – come on, if even a person with a half a brain does ten minutes of thinking, it's just not – it just won't work. 01:15:36.440 --> 01:15:38.860 But they were master social engineers. 01:15:40.160 --> 01:15:41.580 That explains everything. 01:15:41.580 --> 01:15:58.820 No, seriously, the logistics of this is – okay, let's say – let's say they – let's say they did social engineer the passwords to the switching system, a switching system, which, again, I doubt that there's only one involved in this whole – doing this whole process. 01:15:59.160 --> 01:16:01.000 Let's say they got a password into one system. 01:16:02.500 --> 01:16:04.640 Okay, well, if they got one – 01:16:04.640 --> 01:16:05.960 Well, first of all, they're blind. 01:16:05.960 --> 01:16:26.780 Well, still, I mean – okay, if you get one password – okay, let's just say they magically was able to grab control of a switch, some equivalent to an AT&T long-distance routing center or whatever. 01:16:26.940 --> 01:16:27.300 Okay. 01:16:27.300 --> 01:16:38.780 There – I mean, within, I would say, minutes, somebody would know that something is wrong. 01:16:39.660 --> 01:16:41.360 Things aren't being routed properly. 01:16:41.500 --> 01:16:42.540 Somebody on the inside. 01:16:42.660 --> 01:16:42.840 Right. 01:16:43.080 --> 01:16:54.300 Things aren't going where they're supposed to be going because, number one, the customer would call and say, well, you know, I can't get through – you know, I'm talking about legitimate customers. 01:16:54.300 --> 01:16:57.700 I can't get through what's going on. 01:16:57.780 --> 01:16:59.100 I'm trying to get out. 01:16:59.620 --> 01:17:04.920 You know, if they're rerouting the whole system just for their long-distance company – come on. 01:17:04.920 --> 01:17:07.660 Well, what if they weren't affecting the radio station? 01:17:07.720 --> 01:17:09.920 The radio station still had incoming and outgoing lines. 01:17:10.020 --> 01:17:11.260 They just piggybacked on them. 01:17:14.740 --> 01:17:15.180 Possible? 01:17:19.680 --> 01:17:23.180 Piggyback – well, okay, well, it – oh, man. 01:17:23.180 --> 01:17:41.160 It's just – it's just not likely, man, because if you don't – a military station would have, like, a pipe, like a circuit or something, like a T3 or something that they use to break down into different channels for these particular phone lines. 01:17:41.160 --> 01:17:46.960 They wouldn't have just one line, like at your house, you know. 01:17:46.960 --> 01:17:54.060 And to really reroute those, it's – it's just not practical. 01:17:54.800 --> 01:17:55.900 It's just not practical. 01:17:56.140 --> 01:18:00.600 I'm not saying it's not possible, but, I mean, you would have to go through so many hoops. 01:18:00.880 --> 01:18:01.180 Okay. 01:18:01.560 --> 01:18:02.520 How about this? 01:18:02.840 --> 01:18:04.660 Let's put it in perspective. 01:18:04.660 --> 01:18:18.960 Let's say I wanted to set up my own long-distance reselling company, and I called up Bell South or – what is – damn it, what does Duel use out there? 01:18:19.000 --> 01:18:21.460 What's that company he – out there? 01:18:23.300 --> 01:18:24.460 Crap, I can't think of their name. 01:18:24.520 --> 01:18:25.160 But anyway – 01:18:25.160 --> 01:18:25.340 What's it? 01:18:26.000 --> 01:18:26.540 I'm sorry? 01:18:26.840 --> 01:18:27.120 Quest. 01:18:27.660 --> 01:18:28.060 Quest. 01:18:28.180 --> 01:18:28.980 Quest, that's what they're called. 01:18:28.980 --> 01:18:29.500 Okay, Quest. 01:18:29.500 --> 01:18:34.660 Okay, I called up Quest, I called up Bell South, I called up Bell Atlantic or whatever and say, listen, this is what I want to do. 01:18:35.240 --> 01:18:45.180 Aren't they going to basically assign, like, several engineers and some accounting people and some processing and – I mean, this is not like a three-blind guy job, is it? 01:18:45.280 --> 01:18:45.480 Right. 01:18:45.620 --> 01:18:48.200 I mean, that's what I'm saying. 01:18:48.520 --> 01:18:57.920 It goes through – to even set something like this up – I mean, even – man, you can attack this at so many different angles, it's not even funny. 01:18:58.120 --> 01:18:58.720 I know. 01:18:58.720 --> 01:19:00.980 I think we got the point across. 01:19:01.140 --> 01:19:04.420 I mean, I can chop them down in two seconds with that. 01:19:04.520 --> 01:19:05.880 I mean, it's just not practical. 01:19:06.340 --> 01:19:17.720 Even if they did have control of the PBX or the phone switch, it would be – it would send alarms off right away. 01:19:18.120 --> 01:19:23.660 You would – you know, they would – they can shut it down and say, well, why is this going this way? 01:19:23.660 --> 01:19:40.040 You know, if they're getting the dollars for the phone business company, then the legitimate military radio station – I mean, according to this, they're saying they're getting the phone – they're getting billed? 01:19:40.040 --> 01:19:47.600 Apparently, that's how they found out was they eventually finally got billed or they eventually discovered the leak. 01:19:47.600 --> 01:19:54.940 Okay, so if they were getting billed, then how was the dang three blind freaks getting the money? 01:19:55.300 --> 01:19:56.020 I mean, you don't just – 01:19:56.020 --> 01:19:56.560 Well, that's what I'm saying. 01:19:56.600 --> 01:19:59.600 There's also accounting things going on and billing and – 01:19:59.600 --> 01:19:59.860 You know, it's – 01:19:59.860 --> 01:20:01.200 Yeah, it's ridiculous. 01:20:01.200 --> 01:20:02.040 There's so many hands. 01:20:02.180 --> 01:20:04.600 I mean, the paperwork – I mean, it's going to get lost throughout the trail. 01:20:05.020 --> 01:20:09.460 I doubt they made any money if all – maybe they were able to route something. 01:20:09.780 --> 01:20:13.760 But as far as getting $2 million running a long-distance company, I don't think so. 01:20:13.840 --> 01:20:15.980 Yeah, I think that's a little far-fetched. 01:20:17.380 --> 01:20:19.240 Well, anyway, I think that's going to – 01:20:19.240 --> 01:20:21.080 I don't know how Israel's phone system is set up. 01:20:21.200 --> 01:20:25.160 Maybe it's the third – you know, Israel really isn't all that third world. 01:20:25.160 --> 01:20:30.340 I mean, they do have some decent technology there as far as self-communication. 01:20:32.040 --> 01:20:34.140 So I don't know. 01:20:34.780 --> 01:20:38.580 But then again, they made reference to a lot of phone things here. 01:20:38.700 --> 01:20:42.140 So maybe they worked – or knew somebody that worked for a phone company or something. 01:20:42.220 --> 01:20:42.700 I don't know. 01:20:43.020 --> 01:20:46.820 Yeah, and I didn't mention it, not that this has much bearing, but just to put it in perspective, 01:20:46.960 --> 01:20:48.300 this was in 1995. 01:20:49.520 --> 01:20:49.880 95. 01:20:50.060 --> 01:20:52.100 95, and then I think 99. 01:20:52.100 --> 01:20:55.100 It happened in the late 90s, most of these events. 01:20:55.420 --> 01:20:58.620 So it was somewhere in that time frame, but I think it was 95 was when that occurred. 01:21:00.700 --> 01:21:03.000 Anyway, let's wrap it up. 01:21:03.140 --> 01:21:09.040 I mean, again, if somebody knows more about this or has some direct association, you know, 01:21:09.280 --> 01:21:11.780 again, I did my research. 01:21:11.900 --> 01:21:12.540 I looked up. 01:21:12.620 --> 01:21:13.160 I Googled. 01:21:13.280 --> 01:21:14.380 I found some old links. 01:21:14.520 --> 01:21:16.380 I found enough to prove some of this stuff, 01:21:16.740 --> 01:21:22.100 but I don't believe any of the level of depth in this particular article. 01:21:22.340 --> 01:21:29.160 So don't send me, you know, links to a Google story unless you can say this directly disproves something from that article. 01:21:29.300 --> 01:21:31.220 And again, I'll put a link to the Wired article up. 01:21:31.240 --> 01:21:38.320 Or, of course, if you search for Badir Brothers, B-A-D-I-R, you will find the first hit, I think, will be the Wired article. 01:21:38.320 --> 01:21:42.560 So check it out and read it up for yourself and see what you think. 01:21:42.640 --> 01:21:45.840 But I'm calling shenanigans, and I'm going to wrap up the show with that. 01:21:46.180 --> 01:21:48.840 So let's do shouts now. 01:21:48.840 --> 01:21:53.340 Now, I also found one other, this is kind of a, I have weird shoutouts. 01:21:53.420 --> 01:21:55.280 They're not always tech hacking shoutouts. 01:21:56.300 --> 01:21:58.420 Also, in some of my reading, I read about this. 01:21:58.460 --> 01:22:00.660 This artist, his name is Charlie White. 01:22:01.420 --> 01:22:06.700 Do a Google search, Charlie White, fairly common name, art or something like that, 01:22:06.740 --> 01:22:07.980 and check out this guy's work. 01:22:08.060 --> 01:22:09.120 It's just incredible. 01:22:09.120 --> 01:22:14.240 It's the most unique and original art that I've seen in just years and years. 01:22:14.480 --> 01:22:16.080 It's interesting, new. 01:22:16.620 --> 01:22:24.340 It's like, it's almost like special effects of science fiction, except it's in photography and still shots. 01:22:24.560 --> 01:22:26.340 And it's really hard to describe. 01:22:26.600 --> 01:22:27.800 You have to see it to believe it. 01:22:27.840 --> 01:22:35.220 But it's very surreal and yet very, very sublime, very down to earth. 01:22:36.760 --> 01:22:37.520 I'm not sure. 01:22:37.520 --> 01:22:41.220 Google for Charlie White, and maybe I'll throw some of these up in the gallery 01:22:41.220 --> 01:22:44.380 if I can get my hands on some of his artwork and stuff. 01:22:45.720 --> 01:22:48.360 And, of course, shouts out again to Cypher. 01:22:48.800 --> 01:22:49.680 Who else from the meeting? 01:22:49.740 --> 01:22:50.960 You got any shots you want to mix in there? 01:22:52.060 --> 01:22:55.100 Yeah, just everybody from the NFL 2600 meeting. 01:22:56.240 --> 01:22:57.840 Shouts to you and Pete. 01:22:59.260 --> 01:23:01.140 My opinion, a great job done. 01:23:01.980 --> 01:23:07.080 To all the new guys that showed up, to all the old-timers that were there. 01:23:07.520 --> 01:23:16.060 And we should probably remind, next week, we will be at Hope, or excuse me, not next week. 01:23:16.120 --> 01:23:20.800 Next month, the first Friday of the month, you know, will be Hope Conference. 01:23:20.800 --> 01:23:26.020 So, those of our meeting, I guess we should put this on the website. 01:23:26.420 --> 01:23:28.460 I mean, feel free, go ahead and meet as usual. 01:23:28.840 --> 01:23:29.160 Right. 01:23:29.340 --> 01:23:32.640 You know, just because a couple of us are going or some of us are going to be going to Hope, 01:23:32.680 --> 01:23:34.260 by all means, still have the meeting. 01:23:34.260 --> 01:23:40.660 And, um, maybe we can even get some, work out some phone calls back from live from Hope. 01:23:40.740 --> 01:23:41.560 That might be interesting. 01:23:42.520 --> 01:23:42.920 Um. 01:23:44.320 --> 01:23:45.500 Yeah, we can work that out. 01:23:45.640 --> 01:23:46.760 Yeah, that might be fun. 01:23:48.320 --> 01:23:54.200 So, we'll be there the Monday, the Tuesday, coming back Thursday? 01:23:54.480 --> 01:23:55.380 Yeah, we'll come back Wednesday. 01:23:55.380 --> 01:23:59.660 Let's see, we're, we will, yeah, we, oh, no, wait a minute, Tuesday night. 01:23:59.860 --> 01:24:00.420 No, Wednesday. 01:24:01.000 --> 01:24:01.840 Wednesday afternoon. 01:24:02.200 --> 01:24:02.840 I don't remember. 01:24:03.420 --> 01:24:04.380 No, Wednesday afternoon. 01:24:04.580 --> 01:24:05.160 Is that what it is? 01:24:05.200 --> 01:24:05.380 Okay. 01:24:05.580 --> 01:24:05.740 Yeah. 01:24:05.800 --> 01:24:07.740 And back to work Thursday morning. 01:24:08.440 --> 01:24:09.660 For me, for me anyway. 01:24:10.380 --> 01:24:10.740 Right. 01:24:11.040 --> 01:24:12.840 Well, actually, that's still a little up in the air. 01:24:12.960 --> 01:24:15.960 But, regardless, that's neither here nor there. 01:24:15.960 --> 01:24:23.060 So, um, feedback for anything in the show, the story, whatever, you want to feedback, 01:24:23.360 --> 01:24:26.120 uh, radio at binrev.com, you can email us. 01:24:26.780 --> 01:24:31.460 Um, articles for Binrev Magazine 2.2. 01:24:31.960 --> 01:24:35.060 Like I said, 2.1's put to rest and should be out by Hope. 01:24:35.560 --> 01:24:39.060 Um, start sending them in for 2.2. 01:24:39.160 --> 01:24:43.220 The sooner we get them, the better your chances of getting in, A, and B, the sooner the next 01:24:43.220 --> 01:24:44.200 issue will come out. 01:24:44.200 --> 01:24:49.300 So, I guess it looks like we're falling into a two-issues-a-year pattern right now until 01:24:49.300 --> 01:24:50.780 people start sending more stuff in. 01:24:51.660 --> 01:24:54.980 Oh, and, uh, I forgot, uh, I do want to say shout-outs to Logan. 01:24:55.400 --> 01:24:56.140 Logan Files. 01:24:56.280 --> 01:24:57.700 I mean, he does great work. 01:24:58.700 --> 01:24:59.800 I mean, you can't... 01:24:59.800 --> 01:25:02.380 You know, he's like a, he's in my permanent shout-out list. 01:25:02.460 --> 01:25:03.340 The guy's... 01:25:03.340 --> 01:25:08.860 I mean, I don't even know him, but, I mean, I've seen the magazines that, you know, that 01:25:08.860 --> 01:25:09.860 I bought, that I got. 01:25:10.140 --> 01:25:10.380 Yeah. 01:25:10.380 --> 01:25:13.340 And, I mean, that's really, really quality. 01:25:14.200 --> 01:25:15.080 Yeah, I, you know... 01:25:15.080 --> 01:25:15.980 It was a good quality. 01:25:16.140 --> 01:25:18.400 I started doing the magazine by myself. 01:25:18.400 --> 01:25:24.240 And, I opened it up and, what, what, I don't even remember what program I was designing 01:25:24.240 --> 01:25:24.620 it in. 01:25:24.820 --> 01:25:25.940 I had it laid out. 01:25:26.040 --> 01:25:27.940 I was so proud of it, man. 01:25:28.020 --> 01:25:28.680 I had it. 01:25:28.880 --> 01:25:30.300 I had a table of contents. 01:25:30.580 --> 01:25:31.500 I had the fonts. 01:25:31.620 --> 01:25:33.820 You know, I mixed the fonts up nice and neat. 01:25:33.860 --> 01:25:38.980 I threw, like, a, a photo in here and there to mix it up and a little graphic or something. 01:25:38.980 --> 01:25:40.540 I was so proud. 01:25:40.760 --> 01:25:43.580 And then he's like, oh, man, you know, I have experience in this. 01:25:43.640 --> 01:25:44.560 Let me take a shot at it. 01:25:44.620 --> 01:25:45.600 Well, sure, absolutely. 01:25:45.720 --> 01:25:46.500 Knock yourself out. 01:25:46.960 --> 01:25:50.980 I felt so stupid to see his work compared to... 01:25:50.980 --> 01:25:53.140 It was so fantastic. 01:25:53.680 --> 01:25:53.900 Yeah. 01:25:53.980 --> 01:25:55.080 That guy's incredible. 01:25:55.580 --> 01:25:55.780 Yeah. 01:25:56.740 --> 01:25:57.900 Definitely shouts to him. 01:25:57.900 --> 01:26:04.040 And, um, uh, closing music this week is Emerald Rain Productions. 01:26:04.320 --> 01:26:09.140 It's a track called Zombie King, which, allegedly, is supposedly produced by MC Frontalot. 01:26:09.740 --> 01:26:11.060 Uh, pretty cool track, actually. 01:26:11.140 --> 01:26:12.540 Nice kind of swing to it. 01:26:12.580 --> 01:26:13.280 I like this track. 01:26:13.620 --> 01:26:16.880 Um, and, again, articles at binrev.com. 01:26:16.960 --> 01:26:17.500 Send your submissions. 01:26:17.700 --> 01:26:19.160 And I think that is it. 01:26:19.700 --> 01:26:20.500 Zero DB. 01:26:20.680 --> 01:26:22.340 Thank you once again for being on the show. 01:26:22.720 --> 01:26:23.420 Oh, you're welcome. 01:26:23.420 --> 01:26:27.880 And you and I have some other stuff to do this week for next week's show, actually. 01:26:28.000 --> 01:26:32.120 Which won't really feature us on it, but it will be the Telephonic Craptacular. 01:26:32.240 --> 01:26:33.800 So we might have some good stuff for that. 01:26:34.020 --> 01:26:34.420 Oh, yeah. 01:26:35.200 --> 01:26:38.560 So, um, I guess that's going to wrap it up for this year. 01:26:38.620 --> 01:26:39.800 Wow, we're actually... 01:26:39.800 --> 01:26:41.780 This was a full episode again, man. 01:26:41.800 --> 01:26:42.520 We're almost over. 01:26:42.880 --> 01:26:44.120 So, we're going to close it out. 01:26:44.640 --> 01:26:46.840 Tell everybody that we will see them next week. 01:26:46.980 --> 01:26:47.980 Same hack time. 01:26:48.400 --> 01:26:49.220 Same hack channel. 01:26:49.660 --> 01:26:50.060 Peace. 01:26:50.740 --> 01:26:51.440 Don't come back. 01:26:51.440 --> 01:26:53.440 Ha, ha, ha, ha. 01:26:57.900 --> 01:27:04.640 He was a sensitive boy. 01:27:04.720 --> 01:27:05.520 He cried often. 01:27:05.860 --> 01:27:07.800 His mother's own pride and joy. 01:27:08.160 --> 01:27:09.820 And did it soften him too much? 01:27:09.880 --> 01:27:11.960 Too much, too much, too much, too much, too much. 01:27:12.020 --> 01:27:12.840 Who's to say? 01:27:13.160 --> 01:27:14.520 He was so fragile and shy. 01:27:14.620 --> 01:27:15.540 He cried always. 01:27:16.000 --> 01:27:17.600 He was such a sensitive guy. 01:27:18.060 --> 01:27:19.840 He used to run out of harm's way. 01:27:19.920 --> 01:27:21.160 But now he's passed away. 01:27:21.220 --> 01:27:22.720 He can't remember why. 01:27:22.720 --> 01:27:25.160 Now he's the king of the jet set. 01:27:25.480 --> 01:27:27.440 The lord of the cold and the grill. 01:27:28.120 --> 01:27:30.620 Go on and praise his name to the heavens. 01:27:30.920 --> 01:27:32.940 It'll never huddle to him. 01:27:34.300 --> 01:27:35.340 Who's a big old man? 01:27:35.360 --> 01:27:36.760 He got you in the shade. 01:27:37.000 --> 01:27:38.420 He ends up in here. 01:27:39.140 --> 01:27:41.600 Who don't know a thing about the being afraid. 01:27:41.860 --> 01:27:43.320 He ends up in here. 01:27:44.100 --> 01:27:46.680 Who will never write to his mother and his father. 01:27:46.900 --> 01:27:48.300 He ends up in here. 01:27:49.000 --> 01:27:51.480 Who would give a damn, but he doesn't ever bother. 01:27:51.480 --> 01:27:52.900 Who would give a damn, but he doesn't ever bother. 01:27:52.900 --> 01:27:53.200 Who would give a damn, but he doesn't ever bother. 01:27:57.060 --> 01:27:59.400 He used to cry at the sight of a sunset. 01:27:59.620 --> 01:28:01.680 He used to wince at a needle's prick. 01:28:02.060 --> 01:28:03.620 He used to care so much. 01:28:03.640 --> 01:28:05.740 So much, so much, so much, so much, so much. 01:28:05.740 --> 01:28:06.820 This makes me sick. 01:28:07.260 --> 01:28:09.300 He used to write verses of poetry. 01:28:09.680 --> 01:28:11.960 On the nature of death, gloom, and pain. 01:28:12.180 --> 01:28:14.280 But when you got the real thing, who cares? 01:28:14.460 --> 01:28:14.800 Who cares? 01:28:14.860 --> 01:28:15.340 Who cares? 01:28:15.440 --> 01:28:15.620 Who cares? 01:28:15.620 --> 01:28:15.820 Who cares? 01:28:15.820 --> 01:28:16.920 It's all the same. 01:28:17.280 --> 01:28:19.340 Now go on and tell him a dog-eyed. 01:28:19.760 --> 01:28:21.380 Tell him his girl says goodbye. 01:28:22.340 --> 01:28:24.680 Tell him his mother was eaten by spiders. 01:28:24.880 --> 01:28:26.720 He'll never blink an eye. 01:28:28.580 --> 01:28:29.380 Who's so big on that? 01:28:29.380 --> 01:28:31.080 And he's got balls of steel. 01:28:31.420 --> 01:28:32.280 It's all the same. 01:28:33.200 --> 01:28:36.020 Who has a friend that we can't do real well. 01:28:36.020 --> 01:28:37.160 It's all the same. 01:28:38.300 --> 01:28:40.680 Who's got a lumbar coat instead of a hat. 01:28:40.900 --> 01:28:42.240 It's all the same. 01:28:43.060 --> 01:28:45.760 Who's post-break just dropped off the charts. 01:28:45.880 --> 01:28:47.060 It's all the same. 01:28:47.060 --> 01:28:54.060 Hey, King Dick, your ass are off. 01:28:54.260 --> 01:28:56.460 He used to be just another pasty-faced guy. 01:28:56.720 --> 01:28:58.860 Now you're the toast of the underworld. 01:28:59.260 --> 01:29:01.420 All the zombie hikes want to be your girl. 01:29:01.680 --> 01:29:02.900 Check out his new dick. 01:29:02.980 --> 01:29:04.080 See him to believe him. 01:29:04.240 --> 01:29:06.200 He got a king-sized mageleon. 01:29:06.360 --> 01:29:07.780 Got a tombstone headboard. 01:29:07.880 --> 01:29:08.760 Carving for a bed. 01:29:08.760 --> 01:29:11.280 Everyone who sees themselves, you're better off dance. 01:29:11.380 --> 01:29:13.760 So shake it, shake it, shake it, shake it, shake it. 01:29:13.860 --> 01:29:15.600 Shake it till the zombie king can he act. 01:29:16.300 --> 01:29:18.720 Shake it, shake it, shake it, shake it. 01:29:18.760 --> 01:29:20.480 Shake it till the zombie king can he act. 01:29:21.180 --> 01:29:23.640 Shake it, shake it, shake it, shake it. 01:29:23.720 --> 01:29:25.660 Shake it till the zombie king can he act. 01:29:25.720 --> 01:29:26.040 Hey! 01:29:26.140 --> 01:29:28.460 Shake it, shake it, shake it, shake it, shake it. 01:29:28.620 --> 01:29:30.740 Shake it till the zombie king can he act. 01:29:30.740 --> 01:30:00.720 We'll be right back.