WEBVTT

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This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers

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I see in binary, I speak source code

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Step on my toes, I'll post a million jpegs of you in a fag pose

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In your digital stance, getting firewalled ho

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Cause I'm riding the net in my six-fold

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I was a dick with my 56

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Now with my cable, I'm able to get that stable

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On the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo

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On the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm a hero

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In a flash, I'll school you on burning dream cats

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You need some ISO? Let me do my hard drive rifle

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Our exchange you could never stifle

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In a digital hug, you just caught the love bug

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I bootlegged your CD, I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z

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Your CG, it's all gonna be free

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Whether we take it by force or we take it nicely

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You feel that rattle in your bones?

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When I tell you we just hacked out Jones

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And NASDAQ leaves you flat on your back

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Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack

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Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack

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This is dedicated to the hackers and the criminals

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Serial codes, source codes, ISOs, RANs, SIPs, SIPs

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This is dedicated to the hackers and the crack

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Welcome ladies and gentlemen to Binary Revolution Radio

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Episode 53, excuse me, I don't know what's going on these days

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I'm so stressed out with everything that's going on right now

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But I am Stank Dog and I am joined today by

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Not Theory

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Someone who hasn't been here in a long time

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How many episodes has it been since I've been on?

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I don't even know man

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I really, gosh, it's just

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They're flying by now

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And it's just

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Real life has so many things that pull us apart

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And

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It's rough just to get each weekly show done

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But you got past the one year mark

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Bring your fear to my eye

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Yeah

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It's uh

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We are actually

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I guess technically this is episode one of season two

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Second season

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It's like a box set

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We'll release a box set at some point of

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Binary Revolution Radio

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With video outtakes

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That's what you need

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Oh yeah

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Well, you know, we got the Hack TV thing going

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So we'll see how that

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That merges in

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Um

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Let's see, the original air date for this first episode

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Uh, the second season is

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July 6, 2004

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07-06

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So, um

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Wish we could have started like on a January to make it easier

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But whatever

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So anyway, 52 episodes in the book

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53 we are starting now

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And

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The last couple of episodes that we did

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Were

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Uh

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Well, for lack of a better term

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Clip shows

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Um

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Episode 50 was the second

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Telephonic craptacular

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Um

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And then episode 52

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We did kind of a special

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With some old, uh

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Outtakes

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And, um

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Had a little bit of, uh

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Clips in there

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Some new stuff

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Uh

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Actually, I think almost all of it was new

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I added the Deadly Halon story

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Other than that, it was all new stuff

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So it's not really

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Well

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It was all new to the listeners anyway

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All the outtakes that they never heard before

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So

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Believe it or not

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Those are actually tougher to do than the regular episode

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Takes so much time sitting and editing

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And listening to all those old clips

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And cutting and pasting them

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And, uh

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What a mess

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Yeah

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What a mess

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So actually I'm glad to be back doing

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A live or pseudo live show

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As we always say

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So, um

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Let's catch up on emails

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Because

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Um

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Because of those clip shows

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We got way behind on emails

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So, uh

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We covered some in episode 51

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I'm gonna finish up

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Get us caught up today

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On some of the other emails we've gotten

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Um

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Before I do though

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I've got

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I have kind of an email issue

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That I wanted to bring up to the listeners

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Um

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I hear from people

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Every once in a while

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That they sent me an email

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And

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I know for a fact

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I never got it

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You know

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I

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I check my email

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And if you're using the right addresses

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You know

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I've never seen it

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And I was actually talking to

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813 Error

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813 Error

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813 Error

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Um

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I was expecting something from him

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And I never got it

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So I kind of moved on ahead

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And he

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I spoke to him online

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And he said

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He did send it

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And you know

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We wondered what happened to it

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So

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He was pretty certain that he sent it

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So I

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I had to go digging

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Because just

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I'm like that

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I'm obsessive

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I want to know exactly

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What's going on

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Or where it could have gone

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So

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Went poking around

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And

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Basically

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Long story short

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I found

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That there's another account

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There's a system

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Level account

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For

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The email server

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That

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Is kind of a default

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For all error messages

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All bounces

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All

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System errors

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And stuff like that

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And catches all

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Bad email addresses

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That

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If you send something to

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So

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If you

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Send something to

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Stankdog

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D-O-G

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Instead of

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D-A-W-G

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Or something like that

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That address doesn't exist

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D-O-G

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So

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Instead of just deleting it

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And discarding it

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You know

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It knows that it could have been important

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So it throws it into

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Kind of this catch all account

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And I've never ever

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Checked it

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I've never really had the need

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To check it

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So

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I was looking for this

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From

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From him

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And

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Basically found that

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There's quite a bit of email

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That's backed up into here

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And

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I did find

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Several pieces of email

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You know

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Some of them as far as a year old

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That were sent to me

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With a misspelling

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Or to

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Other email addresses

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That people thought existed

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Or just a simple misspelling

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Even some that were going to

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You know

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To

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Not theory here

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That were just spelled wrong

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So

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All of those get bounced

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To this account

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So

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Basically

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I even had

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I even had invoices

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From my hosting company

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Little spreadsheet

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Saying

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Three months charge

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Please pay this

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So

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It could have been

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Really really dangerous

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Luckily

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I talked to them

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On the phone

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Quite a bit

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Anyway

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So I always knew

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When it was

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You know

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Due

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And paid it

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No problem

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But it could have been

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Devastating

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But anyway

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Point being

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When you do send emails

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They do get bounced

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To the system account

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If there's a spelling error

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So if you're

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Sending anything personal

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Or private

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Or anything like that

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I am going to see it

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Through the system account

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If you send it

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To the wrong person

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That is

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If you send it

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To the proper person

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Everything's fine and dandy

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But all emails

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That it gets confused

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Or doesn't know what to do

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That are mistakes

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They get bounced

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To the system admin account

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And this is true

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Of any site

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The reason I bring this up

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Is not to tell anybody

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You know

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That I'm reading

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Any personal stuff

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But any site

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Any email server

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If you ever send something

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And you misspell it

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It's very important

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That you get it

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To the right account

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If you send it

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To any bad account

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Say theoretically Gmail

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Even though they claim

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Not to read any of the email

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If you send it

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To a bad account

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It is going to go

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To like their system administrator

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Their default account

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Because it doesn't

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Delete email by default

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So always keep that in mind

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When you're sending

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Private email

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Very very important

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To go back and double

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And triple check

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The address

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You know what I'm saying

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To be very very embarrassing

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It's not better now

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Because I got

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I got some messages

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From people saying

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No they were going

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To send me this

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Just send me that

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But I guess

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They just sent it

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To the wrong address

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Yep

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Yep that's probably

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What happened

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So anyway

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I apologize

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Anybody who has

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Sent me anything

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And thinks I'm

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Shorting them

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Or sliding them

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Or whatever

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Not getting back

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It's because

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I probably never got it

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So I saw some

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Email addresses

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Going to stank

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D-O-G

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Or whatever

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Frankly if you can't

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Spell it right

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And I don't guess

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You really deserve

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A response

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But whatever

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You don't know how to spell

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Oh

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Oh

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Oh tag

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But whatever

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Hey

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So anyway

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Yeah I didn't

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Intentionally

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Slight anybody

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So I just wanted

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To throw that out there

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I am going to start

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Trying to check this

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More often

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But gosh

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It's

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It also gets

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All the system

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Bounce messages

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And just

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So much stuff

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To wade through

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I mean

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It's just

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A real hassle

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To maintain

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And read regularly

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So don't count

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On me seeing something

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Make sure you

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Send it to the

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Right address

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So

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That being said

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Let's go through

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To the people

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Who did spell

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Things correctly

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And get them

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Through to me

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Our first email

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Was from

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One gentleman

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By the name

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Of Dual Parallel

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Says

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Stank

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52 was hilarious

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That was the most fun

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I've had listening

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To internet radio

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In a long time

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Regarding converting

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MP3s in Linux

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I just found

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That lane

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Can be used

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To convert

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Any parameter

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Desired right

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From the command line

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Which is

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Kind of something

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We were looking at

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For example

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I want to convert

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A 24 kbps

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2205 kHz

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Stereo

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MP3

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To a 1616

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Mono

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MP3

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Should I read

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This command

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Is it going to

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Translate well

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On the radio

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Probably not

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But I say

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Give it a shot

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Anyway

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All right

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Lame

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Dash dash

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Resample

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Okay

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Here's another thing

08:27.700 --> 08:28.420
Some people hate

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Dash

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They always say

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Minus

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I don't know

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What that is

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Somebody's got a pet peeve

08:32.320 --> 08:32.800
I always say

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Dash

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Lame

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Dash dash

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Resample

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Space

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16

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Space

08:38.880 --> 08:39.480
Dash

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B

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Space

08:41.160 --> 08:42.100
16

08:42.100 --> 08:42.900
Space

08:42.900 --> 08:43.500
Dash

08:43.500 --> 08:43.940
M

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Space

08:45.320 --> 08:45.800
M

08:45.800 --> 08:46.900
Space

08:46.900 --> 08:47.900
And then the input

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The name of the input

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MP3

08:49.940 --> 08:51.180
Followed by a space

08:51.180 --> 08:52.600
And the name of the output

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MP3

08:53.560 --> 08:54.980
So basically

08:54.980 --> 08:56.220
By telling it to resample

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You don't have to tell it

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What the incoming sample is

08:58.460 --> 08:59.220
The

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I assume it's going to be able

09:01.160 --> 09:02.620
To read what the incoming sample is

09:02.620 --> 09:03.400
By looking at it

09:03.400 --> 09:05.060
Just give it that bit rate

09:05.060 --> 09:06.360
Of what the outgoing sample

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Is going to be

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And the new file name

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And there you go

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So that's our tip

09:11.860 --> 09:13.260
From Mr. Dual Parallel

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So thank you for that

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Let's see

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Now we got another email here

09:20.900 --> 09:22.660
From Random Sample

09:22.660 --> 09:24.500
It says

09:24.500 --> 09:25.200
Hi you stank

09:25.200 --> 09:26.480
I've been listening to the radio show

09:26.480 --> 09:27.020
For a while

09:27.020 --> 09:28.040
Enjoy the hell out of it

09:28.040 --> 09:28.780
At work in fact

09:28.780 --> 09:30.300
I have not emailed you before

09:30.300 --> 09:31.160
Because I'm busy

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Lazy

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Scatterbrained

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Etc

09:32.660 --> 09:34.140
Pick the one you like best

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Hmm

09:35.660 --> 09:36.800
Which one do we like best?

09:37.580 --> 09:37.980
Um

09:37.980 --> 09:38.440
Lazy

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Can we make up our own?

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He has etc

09:40.760 --> 09:42.260
That's true

09:42.260 --> 09:42.660
That's true

09:42.660 --> 09:43.620
But I'm a fan of lazy

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I enjoy laziness

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You know what

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I'm going to go with you on that

09:46.100 --> 09:47.140
I was going to come up with

09:47.140 --> 09:48.820
Something more profane

09:48.820 --> 09:49.220
But yeah

09:49.220 --> 09:49.620
We'll call it

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We'll say lazy

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Alright

09:51.160 --> 09:51.600
Because

09:51.600 --> 09:52.400
Okay let me go back

09:52.400 --> 09:53.020
And reread it now

09:53.020 --> 09:53.580
With our correction

09:53.580 --> 09:55.140
I have not emailed you before

09:55.140 --> 09:56.740
Because I'm lazy

09:56.740 --> 09:58.200
Anyway

09:58.200 --> 09:59.580
I heard you are setting up

09:59.580 --> 10:00.320
The second floor

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Of pub terminals

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At the con

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He's referring to

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The hope convention

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I'm getting in on Thursday morning

10:06.060 --> 10:07.060
And should be at the hotel

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By 11am

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I need a place to volunteer

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Will you be needing

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A set of hands?

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I have people coming in at night

10:12.980 --> 10:13.920
But the day is mine

10:13.920 --> 10:15.400
Actually my buddy is bringing

10:15.400 --> 10:17.940
Some people to crash in my room

10:17.940 --> 10:19.540
So I might want to help out

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Thursday night too

10:20.640 --> 10:21.780
I'd like to shake your hand anyway

10:21.780 --> 10:23.560
For all the quality entertainment

10:23.560 --> 10:24.860
I've been getting

10:24.860 --> 10:26.080
Let me know

10:26.080 --> 10:27.120
Okay

10:27.120 --> 10:28.680
Well

10:28.680 --> 10:29.800
You see that little edit

10:29.800 --> 10:30.860
I did on the fly by the way?

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Oh yeah

10:32.260 --> 10:33.260
We'll talk about that

10:33.260 --> 10:33.760
After the show

10:33.760 --> 10:35.080
Okay

10:35.080 --> 10:36.620
Okay

10:36.620 --> 10:36.920
Let's

10:36.920 --> 10:37.600
Hey I'm hanging out

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In this guy's room

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Yeah amen

10:39.240 --> 10:40.660
Word booty on that one

10:40.660 --> 10:41.540
Let me

10:41.540 --> 10:42.920
Let me just get one thing

10:42.920 --> 10:43.640
Out of the way first

10:43.640 --> 10:45.100
I really am looking forward

10:45.100 --> 10:46.520
To meet a lot of people up there

10:46.520 --> 10:48.160
So I'm glad

10:48.160 --> 10:48.420
You know

10:48.420 --> 10:49.280
I'm looking forward

10:49.280 --> 10:50.160
To meeting any and all

10:50.160 --> 10:50.620
The listeners

10:50.620 --> 10:51.440
A bunch of friends

10:51.440 --> 10:52.620
People we've talked to online

10:52.620 --> 10:53.300
Stuff like that

10:53.300 --> 10:53.700
So

10:53.700 --> 10:55.580
It's kind of difficult

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With everybody's schedules

10:57.240 --> 10:58.140
And who's coming in

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And who's going to be where

10:58.980 --> 11:00.040
The

11:00.040 --> 11:00.780
Basically

11:00.780 --> 11:02.280
The easiest way to find me

11:02.280 --> 11:03.520
The one central place

11:03.520 --> 11:04.600
You know

11:04.600 --> 11:04.880
If we

11:04.880 --> 11:06.380
We all want to all get together

11:06.380 --> 11:07.540
And at least meet

11:07.540 --> 11:08.200
And shake hands

11:08.200 --> 11:09.060
And just chit chat

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I'm pretty much a normal guy

11:10.580 --> 11:11.440
It's no big deal

11:11.440 --> 11:13.040
You're going to be highly disappointed

11:13.040 --> 11:13.380
But

11:13.380 --> 11:14.700
Glad to talk to people

11:14.700 --> 11:15.140
And meet

11:15.140 --> 11:15.460
You know

11:15.460 --> 11:15.980
Meet people

11:15.980 --> 11:16.460
That's cool

11:16.460 --> 11:18.320
The best and easiest way

11:18.320 --> 11:18.620
To do it

11:18.620 --> 11:19.060
Is to meet me

11:19.060 --> 11:20.180
After my presentation

11:20.180 --> 11:21.260
Saturday

11:21.260 --> 11:21.920
At

11:21.920 --> 11:22.780
My presentation

11:22.780 --> 11:24.100
Is from 5 to 6 o'clock

11:24.100 --> 11:25.840
The AS400 presentation

11:25.840 --> 11:28.300
It's in conference room B

11:28.300 --> 11:28.740
Or whatever

11:28.740 --> 11:29.320
Track B

11:29.320 --> 11:29.880
Wherever the hell

11:29.880 --> 11:30.420
That's going to be

11:30.420 --> 11:31.400
So

11:31.400 --> 11:32.360
That's going to be

11:32.360 --> 11:32.920
The best place

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After it's over with

11:34.140 --> 11:36.440
We have

11:36.440 --> 11:37.060
Let's see

11:37.060 --> 11:37.900
Slip mode

11:37.900 --> 11:38.120
I know

11:38.120 --> 11:38.840
Is giving a presentation

11:38.840 --> 11:39.460
At 9

11:39.460 --> 11:39.980
That I'm definitely

11:39.980 --> 11:40.580
Going to make sure

11:40.580 --> 11:41.240
We're there for

11:41.240 --> 11:42.960
So in between that

11:42.960 --> 11:43.940
We have a couple

11:43.940 --> 11:44.720
Other things planned

11:44.720 --> 11:45.300
But probably

11:45.300 --> 11:46.200
We'll have a good hour

11:46.200 --> 11:46.640
Or so

11:46.640 --> 11:47.920
At least after my presentation

11:47.920 --> 11:49.320
To meet

11:49.320 --> 11:49.920
Walk around

11:49.920 --> 11:50.380
Hang out

11:50.380 --> 11:51.220
That kind of good stuff

11:51.220 --> 11:52.520
So that is definitely

11:52.520 --> 11:53.180
The place

11:53.180 --> 11:54.300
To do that

11:54.300 --> 11:55.480
So anybody listening

11:55.480 --> 11:56.280
You want to hook up

11:56.280 --> 11:57.100
Come meet me

11:57.100 --> 11:57.800
After the presentation

11:57.800 --> 11:58.660
That's the way to go

11:58.660 --> 12:00.120
Now as far as

12:00.120 --> 12:00.800
Setting up the terminals

12:00.800 --> 12:01.500
At the conference

12:01.500 --> 12:02.200
It's actually

12:02.200 --> 12:02.880
Cy Pete

12:02.880 --> 12:04.120
He was on the show

12:04.120 --> 12:05.080
A couple episodes

12:05.080 --> 12:06.160
He's been on a couple episodes

12:06.160 --> 12:06.500
Actually

12:06.500 --> 12:08.260
And I think he's the one

12:08.260 --> 12:09.240
That you're referring to

12:09.240 --> 12:09.780
He's setting up

12:09.780 --> 12:11.000
A clustering system there

12:11.000 --> 12:13.280
I don't know

12:13.280 --> 12:14.100
Exactly

12:14.100 --> 12:16.380
If they've got enough people

12:16.380 --> 12:16.960
Or if they've already

12:16.960 --> 12:17.780
Planned it out

12:17.780 --> 12:18.720
I know there's some

12:18.720 --> 12:19.580
Hardware involved

12:19.580 --> 12:20.160
And they've

12:20.160 --> 12:21.540
Gone through all the steps

12:21.540 --> 12:22.140
Of making sure

12:22.140 --> 12:23.100
The hardware arrives

12:23.100 --> 12:24.280
And they've made plans

12:24.280 --> 12:24.900
Of when they're going to

12:24.900 --> 12:25.580
Meet up the people

12:25.580 --> 12:26.220
On that group

12:26.220 --> 12:26.960
And I think if you look

12:26.960 --> 12:27.460
In the wiki

12:27.460 --> 12:29.540
For Hope 5 wiki

12:29.540 --> 12:30.520
You'll find more information

12:30.520 --> 12:31.780
On exactly where that is

12:31.780 --> 12:32.500
I'm sure

12:32.500 --> 12:33.880
I'm not sure

12:33.880 --> 12:34.760
If they can use the help

12:34.760 --> 12:35.340
Or if they've already

12:35.340 --> 12:36.520
Got their hands full

12:36.520 --> 12:36.980
And got everything

12:36.980 --> 12:37.600
Accounted for

12:37.600 --> 12:37.940
But I mean

12:37.940 --> 12:38.900
I'm sure there are going

12:38.900 --> 12:39.840
To be plenty of

12:39.840 --> 12:40.800
Things

12:40.800 --> 12:41.220
That they're going

12:41.220 --> 12:41.920
To need help doing

12:41.920 --> 12:42.640
If it's not them

12:42.640 --> 12:43.240
If it's working

12:43.240 --> 12:43.880
On some of the other

12:43.880 --> 12:44.580
Networking stuff

12:44.580 --> 12:46.460
So when you get there

12:46.460 --> 12:47.500
I'm sure if you just go

12:47.500 --> 12:47.980
And announce

12:47.980 --> 12:49.100
That you have some time

12:49.100 --> 12:49.840
And you're willing to help

12:49.840 --> 12:50.600
I'm sure they'll find

12:50.600 --> 12:51.500
Something for you to do

12:51.500 --> 12:53.280
I am going to

12:53.280 --> 12:54.340
I actually have tried

12:54.340 --> 12:55.160
To contact Cyped

12:55.160 --> 12:56.020
I haven't seen him online

12:56.020 --> 12:56.880
Since I got this email

12:56.880 --> 12:58.260
But I'll forward this

12:58.260 --> 12:58.760
On to him

12:58.760 --> 13:00.380
And see if there is

13:00.380 --> 13:01.240
Something that he needs

13:01.240 --> 13:02.820
So thank you very much

13:02.820 --> 13:03.800
For that offer

13:03.800 --> 13:06.340
Okay

13:06.340 --> 13:08.460
Now we have another

13:08.460 --> 13:09.560
Email here

13:09.560 --> 13:10.000
From

13:10.000 --> 13:10.860
This is a cool one

13:10.860 --> 13:12.740
Real name with hell

13:12.740 --> 13:13.220
We don't read

13:13.220 --> 13:14.400
Real names on the show

13:14.400 --> 13:15.060
But he says

13:15.060 --> 13:15.860
This is very short

13:15.860 --> 13:17.160
Hi I'm a listener

13:17.160 --> 13:18.100
From Liverpool

13:18.100 --> 13:19.000
England

13:19.000 --> 13:20.220
Very cool

13:20.220 --> 13:20.740
I love getting

13:20.740 --> 13:21.440
Overseas email

13:21.440 --> 13:23.180
Just to let you know

13:23.180 --> 13:24.040
Banzai

13:24.040 --> 13:25.200
Is actually made

13:25.200 --> 13:26.740
For a British TV channel

13:26.740 --> 13:27.440
Channel 4

13:27.440 --> 13:28.460
As a spoof

13:28.460 --> 13:29.840
Japanese game show

13:29.840 --> 13:31.000
Love your show

13:31.000 --> 13:32.360
And again real name

13:32.360 --> 13:34.580
Boy

13:34.580 --> 13:36.440
Last time you were

13:36.440 --> 13:37.000
On the show

13:37.000 --> 13:38.100
This is even older

13:38.100 --> 13:39.080
Than that probably

13:39.080 --> 13:39.780
Really

13:39.780 --> 13:40.760
We haven't talked

13:40.760 --> 13:41.360
About Banzai

13:41.360 --> 13:42.360
In a long time

13:42.360 --> 13:42.980
I think that's like

13:42.980 --> 13:43.480
Back when

13:43.480 --> 13:44.240
When it was

13:44.240 --> 13:45.080
Wintermute and I

13:45.080 --> 13:45.820
Did those first few

13:45.820 --> 13:46.520
Episodes together

13:46.520 --> 13:47.640
I think this is an old

13:47.640 --> 13:48.160
So you must be

13:48.160 --> 13:49.120
Listening to the reruns

13:49.120 --> 13:50.620
On Rant Radio

13:50.620 --> 13:51.500
Or something like that

13:51.500 --> 13:52.200
Because this is

13:52.200 --> 13:53.440
A very old topic

13:53.440 --> 13:55.800
Very very old

13:55.800 --> 13:56.020
So

13:56.020 --> 13:57.920
We get a lot of

13:57.920 --> 13:58.600
TV shows from

13:58.600 --> 13:59.280
English to be quite

13:59.280 --> 14:00.100
From England

14:00.100 --> 14:00.860
To be honest with you

14:00.860 --> 14:01.420
And Channel 4

14:01.420 --> 14:01.860
Specifically

14:01.860 --> 14:02.240
I'm

14:02.240 --> 14:03.200
Like isn't

14:03.200 --> 14:03.780
American Idol

14:03.780 --> 14:04.340
Didn't that start

14:04.340 --> 14:04.780
Over there

14:04.780 --> 14:06.860
I think

14:06.860 --> 14:07.480
Yeah I think

14:07.480 --> 14:08.100
I think it did

14:08.100 --> 14:09.020
I think that started

14:09.020 --> 14:10.600
In like the Big Brother show

14:10.600 --> 14:11.100
I don't know if it

14:11.100 --> 14:12.140
Started over there

14:12.140 --> 14:12.940
But I know it started

14:12.940 --> 14:13.600
Somewhere else

14:13.600 --> 14:14.640
And we copied it

14:14.640 --> 14:14.940
So

14:14.940 --> 14:15.900
There's been a lot of

14:15.900 --> 14:16.640
Shows that we bite

14:16.640 --> 14:17.120
From England

14:17.120 --> 14:17.860
You know

14:17.860 --> 14:18.260
They come up

14:18.260 --> 14:18.840
With some good stuff

14:18.840 --> 14:19.220
I know

14:19.220 --> 14:21.120
Ali G

14:21.120 --> 14:22.480
I know the Ali G

14:22.480 --> 14:23.260
Show is from over there

14:23.260 --> 14:23.840
And I love that

14:23.840 --> 14:24.300
That hasn't

14:24.300 --> 14:25.520
That came here on HBO

14:25.520 --> 14:26.160
For a little while

14:26.160 --> 14:26.760
And I don't know

14:26.760 --> 14:28.220
I think it had some

14:28.220 --> 14:28.800
Controversy

14:28.800 --> 14:29.520
And didn't do so well

14:29.520 --> 14:30.120
Over here but

14:30.120 --> 14:31.160
Yeah I've heard about it

14:31.160 --> 14:31.940
But I've never seen it

14:31.940 --> 14:32.580
Oh dude

14:32.580 --> 14:33.920
Ali G's funny stuff man

14:33.920 --> 14:34.220
Really

14:34.220 --> 14:35.020
That's good stuff

14:35.020 --> 14:36.140
Borat can get a little

14:36.140 --> 14:37.280
Tiresome sometimes

14:37.280 --> 14:38.640
But Ali G is pretty funny stuff

14:38.640 --> 14:40.000
So anyway

14:40.000 --> 14:40.260
Yeah

14:40.260 --> 14:41.800
Banzai came over here

14:41.800 --> 14:42.620
I don't even know

14:42.620 --> 14:43.840
If it lasted one full season

14:43.840 --> 14:44.700
I think it did

14:44.700 --> 14:45.320
But then it just

14:45.320 --> 14:46.380
I never saw it again

14:46.380 --> 14:46.860
After that

14:46.860 --> 14:47.660
So I guess it didn't

14:47.660 --> 14:48.420
Do so well

14:48.420 --> 14:49.580
Over here

14:49.580 --> 14:50.140
I don't know if it's

14:50.140 --> 14:51.140
Still on over there

14:51.140 --> 14:52.720
Or if it's also

14:52.720 --> 14:53.400
Off the air over there

14:53.400 --> 14:54.080
But anyway

14:54.080 --> 14:55.080
Thanks for pointing that out

14:55.080 --> 14:56.060
I never really knew

14:56.060 --> 14:57.440
Where it came from

14:57.440 --> 14:58.000
Exactly

14:58.000 --> 14:58.700
I thought actually

14:58.700 --> 14:59.380
It was a real

14:59.380 --> 15:00.000
Because see

15:00.000 --> 15:00.980
Those Japanese people

15:00.980 --> 15:01.480
They have

15:01.480 --> 15:02.300
Japan

15:02.300 --> 15:03.300
Japanese television

15:03.300 --> 15:04.220
Has a lot of

15:04.220 --> 15:05.860
What we call

15:05.860 --> 15:06.880
Weird and unusual

15:06.880 --> 15:07.740
Game shows

15:07.740 --> 15:08.680
So

15:08.680 --> 15:09.820
That can very well

15:09.820 --> 15:10.300
Be real

15:10.300 --> 15:11.020
As far as I know

15:11.020 --> 15:11.520
In Japan

15:11.520 --> 15:12.920
Yeah I would

15:12.920 --> 15:13.560
I would definitely

15:13.560 --> 15:14.360
Believe that it is

15:14.360 --> 15:15.380
I've seen some of

15:15.380 --> 15:16.140
Their TV before

15:16.140 --> 15:17.440
And it is crazy

15:17.440 --> 15:19.400
It's pretty cool though

15:19.400 --> 15:20.680
Oh yeah it's cool

15:20.680 --> 15:21.620
But it's definitely

15:21.620 --> 15:23.740
Way far away from the norm

15:23.740 --> 15:24.220
Yeah

15:24.220 --> 15:24.860
Well

15:24.860 --> 15:25.400
Yeah

15:25.400 --> 15:26.560
Our norms

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Our norms

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Yeah of course

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So yeah

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He says this is

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Started on British TV

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As a spoof though

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So that may

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That may be true too

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Let's see

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What else we have here

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Yeah that was it

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For that one

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And let me see

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I lost my place

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Okay here's another one

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Real name withheld

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Another real name

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Email here

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Hey I was wondering

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If there was a program

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Or service

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That I could use

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To host my own website

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Without banners

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Or having to

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Pay

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Oh okay

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Having to pay

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There's a little typo there

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Having to pay

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Or if there was a service

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That I could use

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To make my own website

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Which is

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Long into

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Another short URL

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Okay

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Please email me

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With the answer

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If you can

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And this person left

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It was a first name

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So I never know

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If it's a real first name

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Or a pseudonym first name

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So I'll just

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Leave it out completely

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I think this is

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The same person

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Probably posted

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In the forums though

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I suspect

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Because this email

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Was queued up

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For a couple weeks

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As we did those clips

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And frankly

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Go to the forums

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Go to forums.binrev.com

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And use the search function

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And you will find

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There's a couple threads

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On this exact topic

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I know I've heard

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A couple of them

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Off the top of my head

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Frequently

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And that's

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Know-ip.com

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And dindns

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Or dindns

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D-Y-N-D-N-S

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Dot org

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But I've never had

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The need to use

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Any of these before

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Not there

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Have you ever used

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Any of these

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Two or others

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Like them

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Yeah I used

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Dindns.org

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For a while

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And yeah

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Basically there's a client

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That you install

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On your machine

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And it basically

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Checks what your

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Public IP address is

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And just updates

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The DNS

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For you automatically

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It's really

17:09.600 --> 17:10.820
Really simple to use

17:10.820 --> 17:11.600
And I think it works

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On Windows

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Linux

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And macOS

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You should have

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No problem

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Setting that up

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But then you need

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To know how to

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Run a web server

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That's the only problem

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Right

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And then

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You know

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On top of that

17:20.060 --> 17:20.800
You have to worry

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About or deal

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With issues

17:21.860 --> 17:22.660
Whether your

17:22.660 --> 17:24.700
Your cable modem

17:24.700 --> 17:25.120
Or whatever

17:25.120 --> 17:25.720
Is going to let you

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Have incoming connections

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And a lot of other

17:28.020 --> 17:28.700
Factors that come

17:28.700 --> 17:29.380
Into play too

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So

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Like I said

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I haven't used

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Them a whole lot

17:32.700 --> 17:33.520
But I've heard those

17:33.520 --> 17:34.020
And I don't know

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If those have ads

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They don't have ads

17:35.380 --> 17:35.920
On them do they

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Or pop-ups or anything

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No because all it does

17:37.800 --> 17:38.340
Is it basically

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Just resolves the DNS name

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And passes the request

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Directly onto your machine

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So there's no advertisement

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Snuck in there at all

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Okay

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Yeah that's what I thought

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I didn't

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And it's something

17:45.880 --> 17:46.540
You put in your client

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So if you do get

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A new address assigned to you

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It'll update

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Yeah

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It checks every couple of minutes

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What your IP address is

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Or something like that

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You can change the settings

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And then it'll update

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The website when it changes

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And it doesn't take 24 hours

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Or any of that kind of stuff

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No it's very very fast

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Instant

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Okay

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Their DNS records

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Are set to expire

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Really quickly

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So if your

18:06.080 --> 18:06.900
You know if your

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IP address changes

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Within like half an hour

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I'd say

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It'll be working again

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At least

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Good to know

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Yeah

18:14.040 --> 18:14.660
So anyway

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Yeah that's

18:15.320 --> 18:15.820
You know

18:15.820 --> 18:16.960
And I was saying

18:16.960 --> 18:17.800
I was thinking to myself

18:17.800 --> 18:18.580
Hasn't there been like

18:18.580 --> 18:20.900
50, 60, 65 articles

18:20.900 --> 18:22.180
In 2600 the last year

18:22.180 --> 18:23.240
About this exact topic

18:23.240 --> 18:24.160
I'd say there's probably

18:24.160 --> 18:24.980
Been over 50 articles

18:24.980 --> 18:26.900
In 2600 last issue

18:26.900 --> 18:27.380
Yeah

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I mean it seems like

18:28.340 --> 18:30.000
But the other topic

18:30.000 --> 18:32.260
About turning a long URL

18:32.260 --> 18:33.300
Into a short URL

18:33.300 --> 18:35.280
Tinyurl.com

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I know you love that site

18:36.800 --> 18:38.140
Yeah it just makes

18:38.140 --> 18:38.680
Your life easy

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The only problem is

18:39.440 --> 18:40.580
Sometimes they mix uppercase

18:40.580 --> 18:41.200
And lowercase

18:41.200 --> 18:41.980
And then it gets a pain

18:41.980 --> 18:42.920
To spell out

18:42.920 --> 18:44.220
But whatever

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It's much better

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Than some

18:45.940 --> 18:46.520
You know

18:46.520 --> 18:47.940
100 character long URL

18:47.940 --> 18:50.980
Yeah I guess that's true

18:50.980 --> 18:52.580
Or you know

18:52.580 --> 18:52.800
But

18:52.800 --> 18:54.020
Well never mind

18:54.020 --> 18:54.580
What about just

18:54.580 --> 18:56.000
Typing in the IP address

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Yeah but sometimes

18:58.380 --> 18:59.220
There's like a path

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And all kinds of other junk

19:00.260 --> 19:01.420
Yeah I guess that's right

19:01.420 --> 19:02.200
And when that changes

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Of course that becomes

19:03.180 --> 19:03.980
Defeats the point

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Of having the Dindian S

19:05.080 --> 19:06.100
Yeah that doesn't make sense

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Alright erase that

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Pretend I didn't say that

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Alright anyway

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Got one more email here

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Actually this is the last one

19:12.860 --> 19:14.860
This is from Mantis88

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Whose caps lock key

19:16.780 --> 19:18.100
Was apparently stuck

19:18.100 --> 19:18.840
But

19:18.840 --> 19:20.820
He writes

19:20.820 --> 19:21.900
Quote

19:21.900 --> 19:23.680
Listening to the episode

19:23.680 --> 19:25.000
52 outtakes

19:25.000 --> 19:25.680
And upon hearing

19:25.680 --> 19:26.520
The country song

19:26.520 --> 19:27.700
As performed by Bland

19:27.700 --> 19:29.060
I instantly remembered

19:29.060 --> 19:29.460
That from

19:29.460 --> 19:30.400
Remembered that

19:30.400 --> 19:31.480
From the Animaniacs album

19:31.480 --> 19:32.820
Of the early 90's era

19:32.820 --> 19:33.860
That show is in the

19:33.860 --> 19:34.920
Animation golden

19:34.920 --> 19:35.640
Hall of fame

19:35.640 --> 19:36.660
As far as I'm concerned

19:36.660 --> 19:37.960
Wacko and his love

19:37.960 --> 19:39.060
Of Don Knot's album

19:39.060 --> 19:40.200
Is truly inspiring

19:40.200 --> 19:41.600
That it is

19:41.600 --> 19:42.980
But aside from that

19:42.980 --> 19:43.320
Let me say

19:43.320 --> 19:44.240
I have much respect

19:44.240 --> 19:44.880
And appreciation

19:44.880 --> 19:45.860
For the dedication

19:45.860 --> 19:46.660
And love you put

19:46.660 --> 19:47.240
Into the show

19:47.240 --> 19:48.280
I look forward

19:48.280 --> 19:48.880
Every week

19:48.880 --> 19:50.480
When that Binrev link

19:50.480 --> 19:51.200
Becomes active

19:51.200 --> 19:51.920
And I can download

19:51.920 --> 19:52.780
Another informative

19:52.780 --> 19:53.900
And entertaining show

19:53.900 --> 19:54.940
I first heard of

19:54.940 --> 19:55.640
Binrev back in

19:55.640 --> 19:56.520
September 2003

19:56.520 --> 19:57.740
Boy it's been a while

19:57.740 --> 19:59.780
And since

19:59.780 --> 20:00.520
Have listened to

20:00.520 --> 20:01.320
Every episode

20:01.320 --> 20:02.140
Of Binrev Radio

20:02.140 --> 20:03.120
As well as RFA

20:03.120 --> 20:04.320
Sometimes listening

20:04.320 --> 20:04.980
To as many as

20:04.980 --> 20:05.980
Six episodes in one day

20:05.980 --> 20:07.240
But I

20:07.240 --> 20:08.160
Yeah I don't think

20:08.160 --> 20:08.700
I could listen to

20:08.700 --> 20:09.640
Six episodes of myself

20:09.640 --> 20:10.240
In one day

20:10.240 --> 20:11.920
But I know it was

20:11.920 --> 20:12.720
Not time wasted

20:12.720 --> 20:13.520
Because I am more

20:13.520 --> 20:14.400
Educated and enlightened

20:14.400 --> 20:15.680
For the time spent

20:15.680 --> 20:16.840
I know every second

20:16.840 --> 20:17.360
Of the shows

20:17.360 --> 20:18.180
Isn't packed with

20:18.180 --> 20:19.100
Facts or statistics

20:19.100 --> 20:19.640
But nonetheless

20:19.640 --> 20:20.280
They are still

20:20.280 --> 20:21.640
Enjoyable to listen to

20:21.640 --> 20:23.440
In the time

20:23.440 --> 20:24.140
Since finding the

20:24.140 --> 20:24.920
Shows and exploring

20:24.920 --> 20:25.640
The digital world

20:25.640 --> 20:26.260
A friend and I

20:26.260 --> 20:26.780
Have started

20:26.780 --> 20:27.560
An unofficial

20:27.560 --> 20:28.680
2600 meeting

20:28.680 --> 20:29.280
And are talking

20:29.280 --> 20:29.760
About making

20:29.760 --> 20:30.740
Our own radio show

20:30.740 --> 20:32.360
Life is busy though

20:32.360 --> 20:33.260
And with three kids

20:33.260 --> 20:33.860
Under four

20:33.860 --> 20:34.820
Between the two of us

20:34.820 --> 20:35.820
Progress is slow

20:35.820 --> 20:36.800
But we still have

20:36.800 --> 20:37.640
Ideas and endeavors

20:37.640 --> 20:38.320
That are actively

20:38.320 --> 20:39.480
Exploring and researching

20:39.480 --> 20:40.800
To further

20:40.800 --> 20:41.680
Not only ourselves

20:41.680 --> 20:42.700
But our little area

20:42.700 --> 20:43.480
Of the world

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Believe me

20:44.740 --> 20:45.620
Your attention to detail

20:45.620 --> 20:46.460
In producing the shows

20:46.460 --> 20:47.200
Is well noted

20:47.200 --> 20:48.360
And he put that

20:48.360 --> 20:49.200
In quotation marks

20:49.200 --> 20:49.860
That's a little jab

20:49.860 --> 20:50.780
Against my show notes

20:50.780 --> 20:51.960
My infamous show novels

20:51.960 --> 20:52.700
Yeah

20:52.700 --> 20:54.200
And it shows

20:54.200 --> 20:54.940
As each show

20:54.940 --> 20:55.880
Continues to improve

20:55.880 --> 20:56.400
In quality

20:56.400 --> 20:56.700
And yeah

20:56.700 --> 20:57.220
This show is no

20:57.220 --> 20:58.460
Exception is it

20:58.460 --> 21:01.500
As the level

21:01.500 --> 21:02.320
Of professionalism

21:02.320 --> 21:02.860
Increases

21:02.860 --> 21:03.900
Our community's message

21:03.900 --> 21:04.960
Will travel further

21:04.960 --> 21:06.100
Because more and more

21:06.100 --> 21:06.960
People will take us

21:06.960 --> 21:07.400
Seriously

21:07.400 --> 21:08.420
When we discuss

21:08.420 --> 21:09.460
Some of the contentious

21:09.460 --> 21:09.960
Issues

21:09.960 --> 21:11.000
They will take notice

21:11.000 --> 21:12.160
Of the world around them

21:12.160 --> 21:13.360
And not let their rights

21:13.360 --> 21:14.000
Be restricted

21:14.000 --> 21:14.820
And taken away

21:14.820 --> 21:15.400
By senators

21:15.400 --> 21:16.820
Who do not comprehend

21:16.820 --> 21:18.320
Or by passing laws

21:18.320 --> 21:19.440
That are too heavy handed

21:19.440 --> 21:20.560
And the punishments

21:20.560 --> 21:21.280
They mete out

21:21.280 --> 21:22.900
And in parentheses

21:22.900 --> 21:24.160
And boy

21:24.160 --> 21:25.580
I'm trying not to get mad

21:25.580 --> 21:26.420
When I even read this

21:26.420 --> 21:27.360
Three years in prison

21:27.360 --> 21:28.480
Next to rapists

21:28.480 --> 21:29.000
And murderers

21:29.000 --> 21:29.900
For taping a movie

21:29.900 --> 21:31.360
What a travesty

21:31.360 --> 21:32.700
And frankly

21:32.700 --> 21:33.620
I agree with that

21:33.620 --> 21:34.460
So true

21:34.460 --> 21:34.740
Yeah

21:34.740 --> 21:36.040
That's just

21:36.040 --> 21:37.740
I'm trying not to go

21:37.740 --> 21:38.500
Into a tangent

21:38.500 --> 21:39.060
But you know what

21:39.060 --> 21:39.480
Screw it

21:39.480 --> 21:39.920
I'm going to do it

21:39.920 --> 21:40.360
Because I have to

21:40.360 --> 21:42.560
It really is that bad

21:42.560 --> 21:43.440
You know

21:43.440 --> 21:44.480
Copying a movie

21:44.480 --> 21:45.720
Okay let's not even

21:45.720 --> 21:46.820
Go into right or wrong

21:46.820 --> 21:47.600
Okay let's just

21:47.600 --> 21:48.540
For the sake of this argument

21:48.540 --> 21:49.720
Let's say that it is wrong

21:49.720 --> 21:50.240
Let's say

21:50.240 --> 21:50.980
Fine

21:50.980 --> 21:52.400
Technically it may be illegal

21:52.400 --> 21:53.740
Is that really

21:53.740 --> 21:55.300
Worthy to be

21:55.300 --> 21:56.100
I mean we're letting

21:56.100 --> 21:56.920
Drug dealers out

21:56.920 --> 21:57.940
On three strike rules

21:57.940 --> 21:58.760
Giving them a slap

21:58.760 --> 21:59.140
On the wrist

21:59.140 --> 21:59.700
And putting them out

21:59.700 --> 22:00.160
On the street

22:00.160 --> 22:01.080
For God's sake

22:01.080 --> 22:03.420
Is that really justice

22:03.420 --> 22:04.300
Is that really

22:04.300 --> 22:05.080
Where our emphasis

22:05.080 --> 22:05.680
Should be

22:05.680 --> 22:06.540
On somebody

22:06.540 --> 22:07.440
Who copied a movie

22:07.440 --> 22:08.440
Or some hacker

22:08.440 --> 22:08.940
Who might have

22:08.940 --> 22:09.720
Gone to a website

22:09.720 --> 22:10.600
He shouldn't have

22:10.600 --> 22:11.080
Or somebody who

22:11.080 --> 22:12.040
Called a phone system

22:12.040 --> 22:12.500
That he didn't

22:12.500 --> 22:13.700
Accidentally know

22:13.700 --> 22:14.100
What the hell

22:14.100 --> 22:14.560
He was doing

22:14.560 --> 22:15.540
Or was just being curious

22:15.540 --> 22:17.140
That's ridiculous

22:17.140 --> 22:20.000
To dole out punishments

22:20.000 --> 22:20.700
On par

22:20.700 --> 22:22.060
With drug dealers

22:22.060 --> 22:22.760
And rapists

22:22.760 --> 22:23.500
And murderers

22:23.500 --> 22:24.600
I mean it's

22:24.600 --> 22:26.160
Yeah none of those things

22:26.160 --> 22:26.920
Should be a felony

22:26.920 --> 22:28.220
It's night and day to me

22:28.220 --> 22:29.220
It really is

22:29.220 --> 22:30.960
It's just

22:30.960 --> 22:32.760
You know

22:32.760 --> 22:33.400
Again

22:33.400 --> 22:34.160
I'm not going to go

22:34.160 --> 22:34.980
Into the soapbox

22:34.980 --> 22:36.140
Because every hacker

22:36.140 --> 22:36.480
In the world

22:36.480 --> 22:38.300
Has spoken these words

22:38.300 --> 22:39.480
And heard them enough

22:39.480 --> 22:41.180
On shows like this

22:41.180 --> 22:41.720
And speeches

22:41.720 --> 22:42.680
And presentations

22:42.680 --> 22:45.280
But there's a huge gap

22:45.280 --> 22:46.260
In what punishment

22:46.260 --> 22:46.980
Should be

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And what they are

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And they're

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They're born out of fear

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They're born because

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They don't know

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What else to do

22:53.580 --> 22:55.000
About hackers

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And whatever they think

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We do

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And whatever we

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The punishment

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Has got to fit the crime

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And because of their fear

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And ignorance of the crime

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They cannot dole out

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A fair punishment

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Anyway

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Anyway

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Yeah

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Oh man

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Anyway

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Back to this email

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Thank you for pulling me off

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Into that

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Who was it

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Mantis88

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Thank you

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Again thank you

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And all your guests

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From your contributions

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And inspirations to the world

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As we know it

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We are becoming more

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And more global community

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In which the digital revolution

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Is upon us

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And we are all fighting

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For digital freedoms

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In this third millennium

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Thank you again

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Okay

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Boy there's a lot

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To reply to in this

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And I've already started

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On one of them

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First of all

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The easy thing is

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Yeah a couple people

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Recognized that

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The song that Bland

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Was singing on that outtake

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Was Nations of the World

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From Animaniacs

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And yeah

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Bar none

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Just one of the greatest

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Cartoons ever

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Just pure solid gold

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Absolutely fantastic

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A couple people caught that

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I think actually

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Code Monkey

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I think I saw him

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Mention it in IRC too

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So shouts to him

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And a couple other people

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And he mentioned about

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Trying to start a 2600 meeting

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Maybe his own radio show

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Believe me

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I know I personally can

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In theory

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I know

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Not theory

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We just got done

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Saying at the top of the show

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How you haven't been on

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Because you've been

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Working your butt

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To the grindstone

24:19.620 --> 24:19.960
Whatever

24:19.960 --> 24:21.540
However that saying goes

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You've been working

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Your butt off

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Oh definitely

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I'm working weekends

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And holidays

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And everything

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All night

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And you know

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I just don't have time

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For anything anymore

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Yeah

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And you know

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And everything's like that

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Everybody

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Most DDP members

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I mean I don't have

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Three kids

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I can't say that

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How many

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He said four kids

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Under the age of three

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Four kids

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Between the two of them

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Yeah

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I don't have all those kids

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But most of us

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In DDP

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We're adults

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We work full time

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Go to college

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Do other things

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On the side

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We're trying to

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You know

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Live a life

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In addition to

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All this kind of stuff

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Too

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But we find

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I can't talk

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I can't find time

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To take speech lessons

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Apparently

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But we find time

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To get things done

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Now they're not as quickly

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As we would like them to be

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But eventually

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They do get done

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So I'm certain

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If this

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You know

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If you're really serious

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About putting together

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A 2600 meeting

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Or starting your own radio show

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You know what

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Don't put yourself

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Into a situation of

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I have to make it every week

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I have to make it

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You know

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So many hours

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You know what

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Do it whenever you can

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Do it when you get time

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You know

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Work around your

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Real life schedule

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Just like we do

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Again

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I wish we could get

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Stuff done faster

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I wish I could get

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A Hack TV episode

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Out every week

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Just like we do this

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But it's just not feasible

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It's more difficult

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And again

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The timing aspect of things

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So it can be done

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You just have to

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Work around your

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Real life schedule

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That's the most important part

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And you know

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Budget your time

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Allocate your time well

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Yeah and I'd say

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If you really have

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Time constraints

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Like really hard

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Time constraints

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Avoid doing a radio show

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At first

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Because you don't want

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Like you said

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You don't want to

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Feel pressure to do it

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Every single week

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And then just release anything

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I think you'd probably

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Be better off at first

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Just you know

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Writing some articles

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And stuff like that

25:57.680 --> 25:58.360
Something that you can

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Take all the time

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In the world to do

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And get something

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Really good out there

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Yeah exactly

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You know

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Or you know

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Think ahead of something

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You want to film

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For Hack TV

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Or video

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Or something like that

26:07.400 --> 26:08.400
That way you can

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Think about it

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And then one weekend

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When you have time

26:11.040 --> 26:12.040
Go out and get it done

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And then once you've

26:13.420 --> 26:13.720
Filmed it

26:13.720 --> 26:14.400
You want to edit it

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Or you want to do

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Whatever with it

26:15.500 --> 26:16.380
You can do that

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You know

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A month

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Two months down the road

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Whenever you get time again

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So you know

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Pick projects that are

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More suited towards

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Your time frame

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Your schedule

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Now

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What else here

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Oh

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And actually

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I do appreciate this comment

26:31.680 --> 26:34.420
He mentioned the professionalism

26:34.420 --> 26:34.920
Of the show

26:34.920 --> 26:36.100
And I really appreciate him

26:36.100 --> 26:36.480
Saying that

26:36.480 --> 26:37.040
Because

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My language is not

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The greatest in the world

26:40.880 --> 26:41.580
I admit that

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I drop some F-bombs

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Every once in a while

26:43.780 --> 26:45.320
And I know

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That kind of hurts the show

26:46.380 --> 26:47.860
As far as what I really

26:47.860 --> 26:48.760
Want to do with the show

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And where I want to go with it

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I know that

26:50.920 --> 26:51.520
You know

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We don't have to deal

26:52.660 --> 26:53.260
With the FCC

26:53.260 --> 26:54.260
Or anything like that

26:54.260 --> 26:55.320
That's one of the great things

26:55.320 --> 26:56.240
About being on the internet

26:56.240 --> 26:56.600
You know

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Being on an internet radio show

26:57.880 --> 26:58.540
Is you can

26:58.540 --> 27:00.360
Have true freedom of speech

27:00.360 --> 27:02.940
However

27:02.940 --> 27:04.780
At the same time

27:04.780 --> 27:07.700
Sometimes

27:07.700 --> 27:10.220
I don't know how to say this

27:10.220 --> 27:11.160
Sometimes vulgarity

27:11.160 --> 27:12.580
Helps get a point across

27:12.580 --> 27:14.140
And maybe not

27:14.140 --> 27:15.000
Not even vulgarity

27:15.000 --> 27:15.980
Maybe not even the word

27:15.980 --> 27:16.460
Not even

27:16.460 --> 27:17.880
Not even bad words

27:17.880 --> 27:18.200
Or something

27:18.200 --> 27:19.440
It's just the anger level

27:19.440 --> 27:20.620
And yelling into the microphone

27:20.620 --> 27:21.480
Which I do sometimes

27:21.480 --> 27:21.900
When I get

27:21.900 --> 27:23.380
Angry at something

27:23.380 --> 27:25.140
So I'm getting better

27:25.140 --> 27:25.900
At containing that

27:25.900 --> 27:26.760
Or trying to anyway

27:26.760 --> 27:27.520
But I still want to get

27:27.520 --> 27:28.080
The point across

27:28.080 --> 27:29.060
So I've got to maintain

27:29.060 --> 27:30.540
This happy medium

27:30.540 --> 27:31.740
It's kind of a catch 22

27:31.740 --> 27:32.980
I want to stay in control

27:32.980 --> 27:33.520
But I want to get

27:33.520 --> 27:34.240
A point across

27:34.240 --> 27:35.180
So

27:35.180 --> 27:36.920
All I can do is

27:36.920 --> 27:39.140
Do the best I can

27:39.140 --> 27:39.580
To keep it

27:39.580 --> 27:40.440
To a minimum

27:40.440 --> 27:41.200
And try to balance

27:41.200 --> 27:42.180
Those two things

27:42.180 --> 27:43.520
I know

27:43.520 --> 27:44.520
In theory

27:44.520 --> 27:45.040
You over there

27:45.040 --> 27:45.800
On default radio

27:45.800 --> 27:46.800
I get a lot of

27:46.800 --> 27:48.460
Crap from these guys

27:48.460 --> 27:48.800
For

27:48.800 --> 27:50.120
They claim that

27:50.120 --> 27:51.420
I don't use

27:51.420 --> 27:53.220
I don't speak the truth

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Or I don't use free speech

27:54.300 --> 27:55.960
And I control my language

27:55.960 --> 27:56.580
Too much

27:56.580 --> 27:57.520
And I don't get across

27:57.520 --> 27:58.240
My point because

27:58.240 --> 27:58.960
I'm trying to

27:58.960 --> 28:00.600
Tiptoe around bad words

28:00.600 --> 28:01.260
And things like that

28:01.260 --> 28:02.000
I know Lucky gives me

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A lot of crap

28:02.500 --> 28:03.300
About that anyway

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Yeah default radio

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Is definitely a completely

28:05.940 --> 28:07.280
Different spirit of radio

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They just don't care

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About anything

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And you know what

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That's great too

28:10.840 --> 28:12.640
That's why I love

28:12.640 --> 28:13.260
You know I love

28:13.260 --> 28:14.460
Listening to default radio

28:14.460 --> 28:16.380
At defaultradio.com

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There's the plug man

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It's still

28:17.520 --> 28:18.760
That's a great show too

28:18.760 --> 28:20.000
But you know

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You need different

28:20.860 --> 28:22.020
Types of shows out there

28:22.020 --> 28:22.840
So I think they're

28:22.840 --> 28:23.860
They very much

28:23.860 --> 28:24.600
Balance each other

28:24.600 --> 28:25.480
So yeah

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I try to control

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My language

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As much as I can

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But I still let some slip

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And frankly

28:31.120 --> 28:31.920
I'm going to continue

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I used to

28:32.420 --> 28:33.680
I tried to go for a while

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Where I said

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No more

28:34.860 --> 28:36.200
I'm not going to use

28:36.200 --> 28:37.100
Any more foul language

28:37.100 --> 28:37.740
Whatsoever

28:37.740 --> 28:38.780
But you know what

28:38.780 --> 28:40.140
I just don't think

28:40.140 --> 28:41.020
I can get my point

28:41.020 --> 28:41.960
Across sometimes

28:41.960 --> 28:43.340
Rax used to always

28:43.340 --> 28:44.020
Tell me a lot

28:44.020 --> 28:44.300
That

28:44.300 --> 28:45.440
That

28:45.440 --> 28:46.300
Using

28:46.300 --> 28:47.320
Bad words

28:47.320 --> 28:47.880
And cussing

28:47.880 --> 28:48.480
Is just a

28:48.480 --> 28:49.220
Kind of a crutch

28:49.220 --> 28:49.820
You can still get

28:49.820 --> 28:50.680
Your point across

28:50.680 --> 28:52.700
By replacing every bad word

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With some other word

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Well

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In theory

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That sounds nice

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But

28:57.020 --> 28:59.060
Not really

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You know what

29:00.140 --> 29:01.320
Sometimes you really

29:01.320 --> 29:02.400
Got to drop the F-bomb

29:02.400 --> 29:02.980
If you want to get

29:02.980 --> 29:03.780
People's attention

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Yeah

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People don't know

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How angry you are

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Until you start

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You know

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Yeah

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Exactly

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You know

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I can scream fudge

29:09.980 --> 29:10.940
All I want to

29:10.940 --> 29:11.480
But you know what

29:11.480 --> 29:12.040
Nobody's going to

29:12.040 --> 29:13.340
Take that seriously

29:13.340 --> 29:13.760
Either

29:13.760 --> 29:15.060
So yeah

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There is kind of

29:15.640 --> 29:16.380
A mix in there

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So

29:16.660 --> 29:19.340
But again

29:19.340 --> 29:20.200
My whole thing

29:20.200 --> 29:20.640
With this show

29:20.640 --> 29:20.920
Also

29:20.920 --> 29:21.600
See that's the other thing

29:21.600 --> 29:22.440
About default radio

29:22.440 --> 29:23.420
That's great about it too

29:23.420 --> 29:24.760
Is they're for the community

29:24.760 --> 29:25.840
They're all about

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A hacking show

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A technology show

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Sometimes an

29:29.460 --> 29:30.940
Ageofconsent.com show

29:30.940 --> 29:32.920
And they're gearing it

29:32.920 --> 29:33.580
And they're aiming it

29:33.580 --> 29:34.740
Towards hackers

29:34.740 --> 29:36.780
And I'm really

29:36.780 --> 29:37.860
Trying to go beyond

29:37.860 --> 29:39.260
I do aim for hackers

29:39.260 --> 29:39.740
As well

29:39.740 --> 29:40.360
I try to keep a

29:40.360 --> 29:40.940
Technical show

29:40.940 --> 29:41.840
That appeals to hackers

29:41.840 --> 29:42.940
But I want to

29:42.940 --> 29:43.860
Draw more people

29:43.860 --> 29:45.160
Into the hacking community

29:45.160 --> 29:46.460
I want to educate people

29:46.460 --> 29:47.660
And make people

29:47.660 --> 29:48.880
Outside of our community

29:48.880 --> 29:50.440
Come into our community

29:50.440 --> 29:51.440
And join and spread

29:51.440 --> 29:52.440
And grow the community

29:52.440 --> 29:54.080
And it's very hard

29:54.080 --> 29:54.700
To do that

29:54.700 --> 29:55.920
If I'm cussing

29:55.920 --> 29:56.740
Every other word

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And talking about

29:58.380 --> 29:59.860
Topics that aren't

29:59.860 --> 30:00.540
About hacking

30:00.540 --> 30:01.600
Or that mislead people

30:01.600 --> 30:02.520
And things like that

30:02.520 --> 30:04.280
So professionalism

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Is something that

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I do keep in mind

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I keep a nice format

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I try to keep things flowing

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And I'm probably spending

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Too much time on this topic

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So I'll keep it flowing again

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But I want to educate people

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And bring people

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Into the community

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So I'm hoping

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I'm hitting

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Those fringe people

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And those people

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That are programmers

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Sitting in an office

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All day

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Like you know

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A couple people

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I get emails all the time

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I listen to your show

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At work

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That's the people

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I want to reach

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And I want them

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To come in

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And join the hacking community

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And produce

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And write articles

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And write programs

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And learn

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You know

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That's what hacking

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Is really all about

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So those are the people

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I'm trying to reach

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And you can't listen

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To the show at work

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If you know

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You're dropping bad words

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All the time

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And talking about

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You know

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All kinds of other things

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So

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Kind of got to

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Know your audience

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I guess

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Well put

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Oh man

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So yeah

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Thank you very much

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For the support

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Like we said earlier

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This is the first episode

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Of year two

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So we're going to try

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To be more professional

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Or at least as professional

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As we have been in the past

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So we're going to keep going

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So thank you very much

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For pointing that out

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I sincerely appreciate that

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So

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We're going to

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Jump into the

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Show and tell part

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Of the show

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And you know what

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I've been talking

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For quite a while here

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Why don't you

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You want to talk about

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Bellsmind.net

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Because I know

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That's actually

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I really wanted to get into

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Some in depth talk

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About exactly what you

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Used to write it

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And some of the problems

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That we went through

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Of me trying to get you

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The stuff you needed

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For the

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To up and running

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And stuff like that

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We tried to talk about it

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The other night

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On default

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But

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Sergeant Switchhook

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And Duel

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And all those other guys

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They just

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Got off track

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Which is alright

31:42.060 --> 31:43.040
I got off track too

31:43.040 --> 31:43.400
But

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Yeah

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Just a quick review

31:46.360 --> 31:47.360
For anybody who doesn't know

31:47.360 --> 31:49.340
NPA.php

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Was the script

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That I had written

31:51.060 --> 31:52.220
That does the look up

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Through area codes

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And prefixes

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It tells you

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Which company owns

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What prefix

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And all this other kind of stuff

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It was up on my machine

31:58.820 --> 31:59.280
For a while

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On the

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Tanglement.net

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And then it went down

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Because I moved

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And just got sick

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And tired of maintaining it

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So Bellsmind

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Is basically

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The resurrection of that

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Like

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Now you can

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You can look up

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Area codes

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You can look up

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Exchanges

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You can look up

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Silly codes

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And switches

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And all this other

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Kind of stuff

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Through a similar interface

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And

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Basically I want to

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Make the website

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A place where

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Freaks can go

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And they can look up

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The information they need

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And they can submit

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Numbers that they found

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Like elevator phone numbers

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Or any type of

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Any type of weird

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Telco stuff that they find

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They can submit that

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And other people

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Can look it up

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So I want it to be

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Like a freak repository

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You know

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And that's

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Where the name came from

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Racks actually came up

32:35.240 --> 32:35.680
With the name

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Of Bellsmind.net

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It's basically

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The bind of the phone

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System on a website

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Where you can go

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And look it up

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So

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Now is the

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The capability

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To upload

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And submit stuff

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You haven't

32:47.620 --> 32:48.920
Implemented that yet

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No actually

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It's implemented

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And if you know

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Where to look

32:52.760 --> 32:53.380
You can get to it

32:53.380 --> 32:53.820
Right now

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But nobody knows

32:54.500 --> 32:55.160
Where to look for it

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I just

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Basically what I want

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To do is

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I want to clean it up

32:57.360 --> 32:58.100
Before anybody else

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Uses it

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You know

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Debug it

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Make sure that

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There's nothing weird

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Going on there

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And then let people

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Play with it

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Because I don't want

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People to start

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Signing on

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And then have

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Problems with it then

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All right

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No absolutely

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Work all that out first

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Absolutely

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But yeah

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The code's pretty much

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There

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The code's been

33:10.160 --> 33:10.520
Sitting around

33:10.520 --> 33:11.280
For a long time

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We went through

33:11.820 --> 33:13.100
Some hosting problems

33:13.100 --> 33:13.720
And then I went

33:13.720 --> 33:14.420
Through you know

33:14.420 --> 33:15.000
Having to work

33:15.000 --> 33:15.400
All the time

33:15.400 --> 33:15.920
And not being able

33:15.920 --> 33:16.620
To fix stuff

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And but now

33:18.260 --> 33:19.040
It seems worked out

33:19.040 --> 33:19.480
It's all

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It's all PHP

33:20.260 --> 33:21.300
It's got some XML

33:21.300 --> 33:22.120
Stuff which

33:22.120 --> 33:23.980
Basically this PHP

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Script generates

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XML

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Generates all

33:26.580 --> 33:27.460
Gets the information

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Out of the database

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Generates XML for it

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And then I can send

33:30.760 --> 33:31.260
That XML

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Either to another

33:31.980 --> 33:32.740
PHP script

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Which generates a

33:33.380 --> 33:33.800
Web page

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Or I can send it

33:34.360 --> 33:35.360
To the BellsMind bot

33:35.360 --> 33:36.040
Which will then

33:36.040 --> 33:36.840
You know

33:36.840 --> 33:37.760
When you message that

33:37.760 --> 33:38.780
It'll go and look up

33:38.780 --> 33:39.520
This data

33:39.520 --> 33:40.280
Get it in XML

33:40.280 --> 33:41.440
And then parse it out

33:41.440 --> 33:42.340
And then spit back

33:42.340 --> 33:42.980
In a human readable

33:42.980 --> 33:43.520
Format

33:43.520 --> 33:44.880
The information that it got

33:44.880 --> 33:45.180
So

33:45.180 --> 33:46.580
Yeah I've been

33:46.580 --> 33:47.880
Been working on

33:47.880 --> 33:48.300
You know

33:48.300 --> 33:48.900
Looking into some

33:48.900 --> 33:49.580
XML stuff

33:49.580 --> 33:50.640
Lately myself

33:50.640 --> 33:51.040
And I'm

33:51.040 --> 33:52.620
It's very very handy

33:52.620 --> 33:53.700
Oh yeah

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It's awesome

33:54.120 --> 33:55.280
So useful

33:55.280 --> 33:56.440
You can just

33:56.440 --> 33:57.080
Basically get

33:57.080 --> 33:57.960
Get information

33:57.960 --> 33:58.880
Put it in a format

33:58.880 --> 33:59.440
And then have an

33:59.440 --> 34:00.280
XML parser

34:00.280 --> 34:00.900
You know

34:00.900 --> 34:01.440
Read that

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Pick out exactly

34:02.120 --> 34:02.540
What it needs

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And just ignore

34:03.080 --> 34:03.780
The rest of the junk

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Which is what

34:04.680 --> 34:05.420
Made it so easy

34:05.420 --> 34:06.060
For me to implement

34:06.060 --> 34:08.000
This bot

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You know

34:08.260 --> 34:08.820
This aim bot

34:08.820 --> 34:09.120
Now

34:09.120 --> 34:09.520
You know

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All I have to do

34:10.060 --> 34:10.520
Is just hit the

34:10.520 --> 34:10.880
Web page

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Get the XML

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Parse it out

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And send you back

34:13.040 --> 34:13.500
The results

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And it's

34:14.660 --> 34:15.080
It's gonna

34:15.080 --> 34:17.140
Turn into a much

34:17.140 --> 34:17.600
Bigger site

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I have a lot

34:18.120 --> 34:18.860
Of good things

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Planned for it

34:19.440 --> 34:19.900
A couple things

34:19.900 --> 34:20.380
I want to get

34:20.380 --> 34:20.760
Out of the way

34:20.760 --> 34:21.360
Before hope

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You know

34:21.660 --> 34:22.060
I want to

34:22.060 --> 34:22.800
I want to kind of

34:22.800 --> 34:23.220
Have like

34:23.220 --> 34:23.940
The majority of stuff

34:23.940 --> 34:24.460
Up and running

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By hope

34:24.880 --> 34:25.180
So

34:25.180 --> 34:25.800
It's gonna be

34:25.800 --> 34:26.660
A very busy week

34:26.660 --> 34:27.000
For me

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A bunch of

34:27.580 --> 34:28.240
PHP and

34:28.240 --> 34:29.020
ProScript writing

34:29.020 --> 34:30.340
Yeah now

34:30.340 --> 34:30.960
It's

34:30.960 --> 34:32.600
All PHP based

34:32.600 --> 34:33.060
Like you said

34:33.060 --> 34:33.320
Now

34:33.320 --> 34:33.900
You can't look

34:33.900 --> 34:34.680
At the PHP code

34:34.680 --> 34:35.280
But I did go

34:35.280 --> 34:35.900
Through and look

34:35.900 --> 34:36.060
At

34:36.060 --> 34:37.040
I looked at

34:37.040 --> 34:38.000
Your PHP function

34:38.000 --> 34:38.620
Calls anyway

34:38.620 --> 34:39.420
I saw the parameters

34:39.420 --> 34:40.000
That you're passing

34:40.000 --> 34:41.240
To the PHP scripts

34:41.240 --> 34:42.120
Yeah

34:42.120 --> 34:42.740
I saw the way

34:42.740 --> 34:44.020
That works

34:44.020 --> 34:44.480
But yeah

34:44.480 --> 34:45.900
The PHP code

34:45.900 --> 34:46.400
Itself

34:46.400 --> 34:48.460
I actually

34:48.460 --> 34:48.820
Was gonna

34:48.820 --> 34:49.320
I guess

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We'll have to

34:49.580 --> 34:50.180
Take that offline

34:50.180 --> 34:50.580
But I was

34:50.580 --> 34:51.080
Working on a

34:51.080 --> 34:51.660
Different project

34:51.660 --> 34:52.060
Myself

34:52.060 --> 34:52.400
I was gonna

34:52.400 --> 34:52.860
Touch base

34:52.860 --> 34:53.340
With you about

34:53.340 --> 34:54.340
And bounce

34:54.340 --> 34:54.800
Some ideas

34:54.800 --> 34:55.280
Off of you

34:55.280 --> 34:55.680
As well

34:55.680 --> 34:56.840
Yeah actually

34:56.840 --> 34:57.880
I'm planning

34:57.880 --> 34:58.360
On releasing

34:58.360 --> 34:58.920
The source

34:58.920 --> 34:59.360
It's just

34:59.360 --> 34:59.580
That

34:59.580 --> 35:01.000
Like I said

35:01.000 --> 35:01.200
It's been

35:01.200 --> 35:01.720
A long time

35:01.720 --> 35:02.140
Since I even

35:02.140 --> 35:02.560
Looked at the

35:02.560 --> 35:02.720
Code

35:02.720 --> 35:03.040
I haven't

35:03.040 --> 35:03.500
Had a chance

35:03.500 --> 35:04.420
To really

35:04.420 --> 35:04.920
Go through it

35:04.920 --> 35:05.280
I just got it

35:05.280 --> 35:05.740
In a workable

35:05.740 --> 35:06.040
Form

35:06.040 --> 35:06.300
And just

35:06.300 --> 35:06.540
Throw it

35:06.540 --> 35:06.860
Up on the

35:06.860 --> 35:07.280
Website

35:07.280 --> 35:08.060
Once I'm

35:08.060 --> 35:08.440
Happy with

35:08.440 --> 35:08.720
The code

35:08.720 --> 35:09.100
Once it's

35:09.100 --> 35:09.820
Commented enough

35:09.820 --> 35:10.720
I think

35:10.720 --> 35:13.260
Jedi Bebopper

35:13.260 --> 35:13.980
Somebody asked

35:13.980 --> 35:14.300
If I was

35:14.300 --> 35:14.660
Gonna release

35:14.660 --> 35:14.940
The code

35:14.940 --> 35:15.260
And yes

35:15.260 --> 35:15.700
I definitely

35:15.700 --> 35:16.160
Will release

35:16.160 --> 35:16.700
All the code

35:16.700 --> 35:17.000
You know

35:17.000 --> 35:19.020
The PHP scripts

35:19.020 --> 35:20.140
The Perl scripts

35:20.140 --> 35:20.680
That I have

35:20.680 --> 35:22.400
To send out

35:22.400 --> 35:22.800
E-mails

35:22.800 --> 35:23.280
And other stuff

35:23.280 --> 35:23.840
The Perl script

35:23.840 --> 35:24.580
For the aimbot

35:24.580 --> 35:25.480
Is gonna be released

35:25.480 --> 35:27.560
The SQL

35:27.560 --> 35:28.480
For the database

35:28.480 --> 35:29.220
Like the entire

35:29.220 --> 35:30.360
Bellsmind.net

35:30.360 --> 35:30.780
Database

35:30.780 --> 35:31.160
Is gonna be

35:31.160 --> 35:32.120
Available to anybody

35:32.120 --> 35:33.440
You know

35:33.440 --> 35:33.760
You can just

35:33.760 --> 35:34.480
Go and download it

35:34.480 --> 35:35.080
It's a Postgres

35:35.080 --> 35:35.620
Database

35:35.620 --> 35:35.960
But you could

35:35.960 --> 35:36.560
Probably easily

35:36.560 --> 35:37.080
Put it into

35:37.080 --> 35:37.560
MySQL

35:37.560 --> 35:38.480
And

35:38.480 --> 35:39.500
Have it up

35:39.500 --> 35:39.760
And running

35:39.760 --> 35:40.120
On your own

35:40.120 --> 35:40.400
Machine

35:40.400 --> 35:40.980
In no time

35:40.980 --> 35:42.560
So yeah

35:42.560 --> 35:43.160
In the spirit

35:43.160 --> 35:43.800
Of open source

35:43.800 --> 35:44.840
Everything is

35:44.840 --> 35:45.480
Gonna be released

35:45.480 --> 35:45.820
It's just

35:45.820 --> 35:46.280
Gonna take me

35:46.280 --> 35:46.660
Some time

35:46.660 --> 35:46.900
I don't

35:46.900 --> 35:47.340
Want to release

35:47.340 --> 35:48.020
It half-assed

35:48.020 --> 35:48.500
That's basically

35:48.500 --> 35:48.960
How it works

35:48.960 --> 35:49.440
Absolutely

35:49.440 --> 35:50.020
Absolutely

35:50.020 --> 35:51.060
And since you

35:51.060 --> 35:51.740
Mentioned that

35:51.740 --> 35:52.520
It's in Postgres

35:52.520 --> 35:54.360
We had some

35:54.360 --> 35:54.880
Problems

35:54.880 --> 35:55.240
That's one of

35:55.240 --> 35:55.560
The reasons

35:55.560 --> 35:56.040
It took so

35:56.040 --> 35:56.320
Long to get

35:56.320 --> 35:56.980
This up also

35:56.980 --> 35:57.840
Was getting

35:57.840 --> 35:58.580
Postred

35:58.580 --> 35:59.740
Postgres

35:59.740 --> 36:00.400
Excuse me

36:00.400 --> 36:01.740
Installed

36:01.740 --> 36:03.600
And recompiling

36:03.600 --> 36:04.600
Apache with support

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And all that

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Kind of good stuff

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Yeah

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That gets

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Tricky

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And annoying

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And whatever

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But finally

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I set up

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My own

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Colo box

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Instead of

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Harassing you

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All the time

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Saying oh

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I need this

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Stupid feature

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I need this

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Thing

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I forgot to

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Tell you

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I need this

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I just set it

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Up in my

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Own box

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And did all

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The

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Using Debian

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I used all

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The package

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Selections

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Selected all

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The stuff

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I need

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Which is

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Basically

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PHP

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The PHP

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Postgres

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Module

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The PHP

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XML

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Module

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And I think

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That's the

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Bulk of it

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There was

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Some other

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Like I need

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The Pro

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Modules

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For the

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AIM bot

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And stuff

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Like that

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But I got

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It all

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All set up

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Now

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It's working

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Pretty nicely

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So basically

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I encourage

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People to go

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To bellsmind.net

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Check out

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The lookup

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Stuff

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Definitely

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When you go

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To the lookup

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Don't bookmark

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The lookup

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Page

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Always go

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To the

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Bellsmind.net

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Page first

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Because eventually

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What's going to

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Happen is

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Instead of it

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Taking you

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Directly to that

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Lookup

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It's going to

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Take you

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To the

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Finished site

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There's going

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To be an

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Actual real

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Site

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There's going

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To be

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Articles

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On it

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There's going

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To be

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Real

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Information

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And there's

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Going to be

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A link

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To the

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Lookup

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Stuff

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So if

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You just

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Always go

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To the

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Lookup

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Eventually

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You're going

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To miss

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All the

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Other cool

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Features

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That are

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Added

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Yeah

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Well

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You'll

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Means

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If anybody

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Wants to

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Donate

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Some time

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And make

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Some Bellsmind

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Graphics

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Or something

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Like that

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Definitely

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Email them

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To me

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Just bounce

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Them off

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Me and let

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Me know

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What you guys

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Got

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Because I

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Definitely

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Am not

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A web

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Designer

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As you

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Can tell

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From every

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Page I've

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Ever put

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Together

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They're all

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Terrible

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So

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With some

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Design

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Flare

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That can

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Make it

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Look really

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Nice

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Yeah

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I feel

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You on

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That

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I'm right

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There with

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You on

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That one

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Yeah

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So

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Hmm

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Oh and

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There's the

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Bellsmind

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PBX

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Also

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Is my

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The PBX

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That I

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Had set

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Up for

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A while

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Phone

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Number

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Is 810

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223

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0003

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Or

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595

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0135

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Those two

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Numbers

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Will bring

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You to

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The Bellsmind

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PBX

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It's got

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Some nice

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Voice prompts

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Recorded

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From a

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Friend of

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Mine

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And basically

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It's got

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It's got

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RFA recordings

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Binrev

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Archive

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The ANAC

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Which reads

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Back your

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Phone number

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Touchtone

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Decoder

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And some

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Evan doorbell

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Recordings

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And you

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Know

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There's a

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Lot more

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Stuff to

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Come

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And there's

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Some hidden

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Stuff on

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There

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And if

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You're

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If you're

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Inclined

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To find

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It

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By all

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Means

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Please do

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Yeah

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And actually

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I'm

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That's another

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Thing that

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Unfortunately

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Has fallen

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Off the

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Wayside

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For me

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Is I

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Know you

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Set up

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A nice

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Voicemail

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Box system

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And stuff

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Like that

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That we

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Were going

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To use

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For the

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Show

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And I

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Know we

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Kind of

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Could give

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That stuff

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Out right

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Now

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But I

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I just

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I

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to go in there and set it up and configure it and all that kind of stuff so hopefully by the next

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show or two we'll have that up and running so people can start leaving voicemails and things

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for us yeah definitely there's there's big things planned for the for the voicemail system and

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anybody who helps me out with the website definitely you if you want a free voicemail box

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or five free voicemail boxes or whatever if you help me out with the uh with the website

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give me some graphics anything you want on that thing it's all yours um so unless your name ends

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in 225 what's that unless your name ends in 225 yeah in which case i can't help you out at all

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sorry about that one oh man yeah the the setting up the website the web hosting problems we had i i

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had the same problems myself and end up having to install things locally in my home and it just

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ended up being a nightmare so i'm glad you got it all working i know that was kind of a one of the

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roadblocks you had so yeah for the work i'm doing now i have a colo box that i have complete control

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so i figured i might as well you know machines idle pretty much all the time so yeah isn't that a

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great not great thing to have oh yeah it's just awesome it runs you know it runs the website no

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problem it runs it's actually running the pvx and and the whole bit too so yeah that's it's great

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feeling yeah it's really oh um i don't want to put you on the spot but i think i probably already

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know this answer i assume you probably didn't make it to your 2600 meeting no weren't you guys i

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almost never make it to my 2600 but i thought they were trying to start one there

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yeah they're trying to start one in connecticut in connecticut and i i talk to code monkey about

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it every once in a while and i really want to go it's just that it is so damn inconvenient that

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these meetings are at like five and six o'clock and for me to drive you know 30 something miles

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through like the worst traffic out of manhattan ever at rush hour it's just really not going to

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happen yeah and i think if i remember right i i could be incorrect but i thought they canceled

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this one anyway because of the close proximity with hope being a week away that they said they

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weren't going to bother anyway so i don't think oh is it really yeah i don't even think you missed

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one good thing i didn't try to go because i was really amped about going this time you know

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really didn't have much going on on friday so i was like oh maybe i'll go to new york city one or

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maybe i'll go to the connecticut one but if they canceled it it would really piss me off

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yeah but you know um we have people that show up at like seven seven thirty to the meeting we

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know i mean people work late and you know come in whenever they can so if you don't get there

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right at five or six i don't think that's such a big deal but yeah it's just that with uh with a

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smaller meeting in connecticut i didn't know how long it would end up going so yeah that's true too

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i guess um they know ahead of time they'll stick around for you or something but yeah anyway that

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can be worked out in the future i could probably hold i could probably show up like anytime and

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there'd be people there till probably like nine o'clock or whatever but and again i don't want the

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hassle of going into the city just for uh just for like an hour and let's let's see how

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let's get through hope first let's just get let's just get through hope all right for right

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now like our our meeting was a little bit lighter this time too because hope kind of threw it off

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some people didn't even know if there was going to be actually we thought that it was we thought

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hope was scheduled in the first friday of this month so we didn't realize there would be a meeting

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until the last minute so i think some some other people might have felt the same way so it was a

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little bit light but um we still had a best i don't know we probably still had 10 12 people

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which is pretty good um and we all going to bet we all got together afterwards and went to see

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spider-man 2 which you guys knew about you're talking about that on default last week we did

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go see spider-man 2 and uh after that we uh we did the two for special if you know what i mean and

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went to see dodgeball after that was over with which oh man oh hey that was hey you get a two for

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and a student discount dude you can't beat that that's true that's a fair price that's a fair price

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to me um dodgeball was funny by the way and spider-man was pretty all right i like the first

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one better don't send me hate mail but i like spider-man one better but whatever um but dodgeball

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was hilarious not a not an award-winning movie but boy was it did it make you laugh so um so i did

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that last week and of course um doing the clip shows like i said somebody i think i don't know who

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was somebody made a joke i think an irc or made a comment about how i've been i got away with

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doing two clip shows here recently man clip shows are harder to do than real shows i'm telling you

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i have to listen to all these old clips and cut out parts that edit them and stuff on the fly and

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put them all together and try to fill up an hour with a bunch of 30 second and one minute clips you

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know that's i agree any type of any type editing like that is tedious hey if somebody thinks it's really

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easy to make a clip show feel free to go ahead and make one for us so yeah right clip shows are not

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easy man they really aren't so they were hard i'd rather do this show anytime like i said um

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i've also man i just i'm stressed man i'm pulling my hair out well i got a haircut so i don't have

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much hair left to pull out but um i'm really stressed now i've got so much stuff going on again

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hope is coming up i've spent the last two or three nights making some very big changes to my hope

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presentation um changed a lot of screenshots to some some videos and uh demonstrations in lieu of

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having a machine there of course in as400 so i got some some video clips in there hopefully that'll be

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a little bit more interactive it'll be a little bit you know more engaging hopefully for people

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won't be as boring so i think it's a some good changes to the presentation so um spent a lot of

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my time doing that because i do want that to to go well i want to put the same professionalism into

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that that i do into the show into the magazine and frankly everything else we try to do um

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organizing a yankees game we're all getting together to go check out the yankees while we're up there

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everybody is kicking and screaming but damn it i'm dragging you kicking and streaming um actually

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i might have bad news for you by the way oh man yeah i'm gonna spring this i'm gonna spring this on

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right here on the air too the tickets that we got i did not do this on purpose so don't yell at me

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but as it turns out they're in the family no alcohol section shut the hell up i swear to god i did not

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purposely do that i didn't even realize it until they sent me the confirmation email

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oh my god i know i just took away your only reason for going

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i think that just means that the vendors don't come by selling it i think you can still go and

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bring it down i i think anyway i yeah i may just not do this oh after this fucking information what

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come on come on man terrible yeah i know i didn't i didn't realize until after it was all over with

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and then doggone it i'm like oh man i don't even want to break this to him because i know that's one

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of the reasons you're looking forward to go or you couldn't care less about baseball oh my god i

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couldn't care anything about baseball ever he said that i invited rax to go to and rax says hell no i

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don't go to damn baseball game so anyway you're gonna have fun anyway damn it i think you i think

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everything will be fine i think that just means they don't have the vendors walking up and down

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screaming beer and selling beer and stuff like that yeah at least that's what it means down here at uh

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at the florida marlins at uh at miami so i assume it's the same there um so anyway organizing that

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buying tickets getting all that together and and the rest of my uh new york city plans i got to do some

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of the touristy things and epiphany's been uh working with me on some stuff like that too so

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shouts to him um and trying to put together a cd of of the radio show i want to put a nice

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nice cd that automatically starts brings up an html page with all the show notes and all the episodes

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on a cd stand alone so we've been putting that off and trying to think that through and everything

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and luckily sub-zero dj sub-zero came through last night and helped me out big time big time and

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worked on that and basically did that for me and tweaked it a little bit but i've i got that ready

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to go so now i gotta spend the next couple of days burning hundreds of copies of those to hand out at

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hope oh and uh filming some hack tv segments i did get a hack tv segment filmed a couple weeks ago

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uh so that's cool and oh i guess i probably didn't mention that i quit my job yeah that was kind of

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a big event in case that slips so those people who and you're starting what tomorrow and i'm starting

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my new one tomorrow and we're recording this it'll be freaking long after midnight and i gotta be up in

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a few hours to start my new job i'm really i'm just a winner i'm just you're only working for two

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days and then you're going straight i know i'm just grabbing life by the cojones you know and just

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i i did i told them up front when they hired me that i had already made plans and had hotel reserved

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and planes so they're very cool with it so i don't it's not a problem but yeah it's kind of

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seems kind of tacky to me you know so but hey whatever i told them up front i'm like listen i don't

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want it to be rude or anything that i'm gonna work for two days and then leave for a week

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but hey what are you gonna do so man that's you know in between that i get a couple hours of sleep

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here here and there and that's been my i mean this past month to me has just been rough because

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quitting your job is no easy task especially when they depend on you as much as they have for me and

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i have to type up documentation for every last little thing and you have to your documentation

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has to cater to the lowest common denominator yeah i mean you feel me on that one right i mean

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you have to write it so that a fucking trained monkey could follow it oh i dropped an f-bomb right

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there doggone it oh well no i already i already dropped the f-bomb when you told me about the beer

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situation oh okay well as long as we have a good reason oh man i know what you're talking about when

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i when i left my job i had to write documentation too i didn't have to write for idiots so i mean

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these guys really the guys at my old job really know what they're doing so i could i could get

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away with writing something complicated but still writing documentation for something you've been

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working on um when you thought you didn't have to it's just a pain in the ass yeah and i

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unfortunately i have to write to the there's a couple people that know what they're doing but

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for the most part they don't and that's really one of the reasons i've left although the ultimate

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kick right in the crotch is that the person they already hired somebody to replace me at 20 grand

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more than i made wow how rude is that how just incredibly rude if they would have paid me that i

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wouldn't have left but whatever i won't even go there let's move on to it let's see what's our timing

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situation here i think we're all right we got time to cover this yeah we're all right um

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oh man okay okay wait is there anything else we left out is that the show and tell is that

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everything because we've been working on so much man and plus i we already mentioned it but you're

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on default radio this past week um the pbx as we mentioned um yeah hopefully next week actually i'll

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be doing default radio from hope um i mean i'll be caught by the way it'll work out is that i'll be

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calling in to uh you know to whatever conference doug and lucky you're recording on and uh and doing the

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show from there so good call yeah absolutely well radio hunt me down and uh maybe i'll i'll pass off

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the cell phone for a while yeah i might if it's on a conference or something i'd like to call in

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myself just to say hey and be on it um all of us are going to be doing that too i'm going to have

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to do an episode of of BinRev radio from there because i'm going to be there through next week

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or a little bit into the week so i'm definitely going to have to do one from there

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um i don't know how i'm going to stream it but i'll figure that out that's minor

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um i can wardrobe if i have to um and uh rfa rfa i think might be having something going on

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uh again slip modes presentation on internet radio is going on saturday at nine i hope that's right i

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hope i'm not giving out the wrong time for his his presentation dual told me it was at nine so

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i'm hoping that's the case so verify that at hope.net at the speakers list so yeah that's it

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and um let's go on to a one topic anyway before we close the show out and this was something that

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zero db emailed me this article he thought was interesting and so did i and and um again we'll

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put the link up in the show notes like we always do but this is from reuters news service and its

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title of it is school teaches ethical hacking um oh boy yeah and first of all this one article

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article is yeah we're going to talk about this particular article and the and i'm going to read

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some of this to you and the names and stuff but frankly they're not the only one that does this so

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i don't want to just single out just these one people but this happens quite a bit and this is the

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one that's most recent so i'm going to kind of go through this a little bit um let's see

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los angeles uh i'm not going to read all of this let me i'll try to i'll try to capsize the whole

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thing i'll try to summarize the whole thing excuse me um basically uh sets a scene of an instructor

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here in front of a class of 15 buttoned down corporate academic and military leaders the lesson

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hacking the students huddle over laptops at a los angeles area college the students huddle over

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laptops at los angeles area college have paid nearly four thousand dollars to attend quote hacker

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college a computer boot camp designed to show how people will try to break into network systems

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and how they will succeed that was four thousand dollars they pay for this change four grand that is

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no joke man i you can listen to the show for free i just want to throw that out there you can come by

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the website and listen to the show absolutely free and learn that same material true i don't you know

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that's i mean honestly in the in the you said it's 15 days uh let's see no class of 15 people in this

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particular they're setting a scene of yeah okay okay well depending on how long the class is

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technical training is expensive you mean even if it's not for this you know hacking school whatever

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even if you're doing i did some vx works training at some point and i think that was that was probably

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five thousand dollars for a week yeah it's it's it's absolutely you're you're all of it is expensive

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exorbitantly i think but but in this particular one it's like yeah it's like um i don't know you can't

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teach hacking you have to hacking has to be learned and i know that sounds contradictory but you can't

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teach it you have to learn it you have to feel it you have to be it it's there's a difference between

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i don't know and let's see maybe later on this article it mentions how long or something but

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let's see um it's amazing it's an amazing thing to see how insecure the big corporations are said

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ekamendia i guess that's the instructor during a break in the week here it is week long seminar it's

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one week okay it's just amazing how easy it is hackers oh god this is hackers are believed to

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cost global businesses billions of dollars every year that's billions with a b billions of dollars

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every year and the costs to defend them are soaring one study by good harbor consulting show that

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security now accounts for as much as 12 percent of corporate technology budgets up from three percent

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five years ago well yeah at four thousand dollars a pop for these glasses of course the costs are

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soaring that's ridiculous um and and i have to say one thing here if they're spending 12 percent if

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they were spending three percent back then and they're spending 12 percent now maybe they're not

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spending too much now they were just spending too little then which is why all these machines get

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broken into so easily yeah and they're catching up yeah they may just be catching up for lost time

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they should have yeah you know if they went from three to 12 but they should be at 20

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you know there's still less than what they should as far as well i don't know about the budget anyway

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but at least as far as how much emphasis they put on it yeah you know when when things started with

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the with the internet and people putting businesses online they didn't really think about it so like

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you said they've got to catch up now and it's going to be expensive if you did it right from the start

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you wouldn't be in this situation and it's not gave a crap yeah and it's not hacker's fault that you did it

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half-assed yeah it really isn't especially since hackers don't break into computers and destroy

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stuff so yeah you know and and i've got a great yeah i've got a great little irony coming up about

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that too um they're taking advantage of these businesses gullible businesses that feed off the

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stereotype that hackers are going to break into their system and they're perpetuated by offering

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these classes you know so they're taking advantage of these people they're scared and they're thinking

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oh well our budget's only three percent we got to update it so let's send our guys to these

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classes and let's defend against the evil hackers and blah blah you know what how is that teaching

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ethical hacking there's no ethics in that taking advantage of a company and its ignorance i don't

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think that's very ethical you know to me anyway so i don't know if ethical hacking what i don't like

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that you know what i don't like about this i would probably be much better about it if it were called

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um you know security hardening your system some something like that calling it ethical hacking i that's

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what i don't really particularly care about because i still say you can't teach hacking

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hacking has to be learned on your own because you have to go through the steps somebody gives you

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it's like the old what is the thing about give a man a fish and he eats for a day teach a man to

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fish and he eats forever you know it's the same thing is something you have you have to look and do

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your own research and stuff like that you got to search it out you can't have it given to you yeah

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i mean if you give and and what that that's what's going to happen is you give it to somebody and

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then six months from then they're going to be sol because they're going to be lost because they

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can't have that thought process yeah uh let's see this will be lost there'll just be another four

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thousand dollar course to catch them up yeah i know and they'll just keep perpetuating and then

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talk about how costs have gone up from 12 percent to 18 percent and then from 18 to 27 percent and all

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of it whose fault is it the hackers wait a minute no it's you you're selling fear this is something

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the duel used to always say all the time they're selling fear at four thousand dollars per person

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per week oh anyway let's see this uh it goes on to say quote this is definitely bleeding edge so

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bleeding edge in fact sometimes that it is frightening uh said a student in the class at mount sierra

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college who owns a small computer consulting company the course okay listen the course you've you've taken

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these training and so have i the technical training and you know how they go sometimes how

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silly some of the courses you can get good stuff if you put your mind to it but yeah the course prepares

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students for an exam offered by the international council of e-commerce consultants or ec council if

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they pass that test they get the ultimate seal of approval certified ethical hacker oh god i know

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i i really you know what i'm really going to look into this i want to see what this is about and see

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i would love to have a framed thing in my room says certified ethical hacker and i'll keep right on doing

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the show and putting out the website and anytime somebody tries to call me i can say hey certified

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ethical hacker biatch don't give me any crap i'm certified ridiculous yeah it's you know what happens if we

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all get that all of a sudden everybody's a certified ethical hacker does it carry any you know what's the

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anyway um the class is by no means easy instructors race through topics like symmetric versus asymmetric

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key cryptography symmetric is faster war dialing hackers will always call late at night yeah right and well-known

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tcp ports and services be wary of an any activity on port zero hmm i can definitely say it's not

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for everyone says blah blah blah director of network security services for the california state

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university's 23 campus system if you don't have discipline you won't make it through this course

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well that's true of anything um let's see but the work is practical too now here this is funny

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but the work is practical too on the first day students were taught basic free and legal research

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methods something that we always say that we just basic legal things um mostly involving search

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engines and securities databases so they could learn as much information as possible about companies

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their executives and systems with relatively little effort they found out that the chief executive of one

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public company maintained his own website dedicated to guitars while another public company still uses a number

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of systems known to be easily exploited by hackers yeah there's a word for that it's called

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footprinting binary revolution magazine issue 1.15 available online and you still have 3995

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left that you can spend on lap dances or whatever floats your boat yeah right dude that you know

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if i write it in an article in a magazine i'm the evil hacker but if i charge four grand to a bunch of

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schmucks from some corporation then you're an ethical hacker i don't what am i missing here

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what am i missing in that logic seriously by writing an article and keeping it underground or keeping it

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within the hacking community it's a bad thing i mean it's so hypocritical what the way these people

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oh very very hypocritical uh let's say that's why they're not about full disclosure because they want

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charge you for disclosure yeah yeah absolutely absolutely they don't yeah make this make this

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course available online where i can get a certified ethical hacking certificate maybe we should make

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our own yeah like i have time for another project but you know what seriously sounds like a great idea

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but you know what it's just not going to happen anytime soon wouldn't that be great what if the

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hacking community offered a hacking certificate of some sort that would be more that would carry more

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weight to me yeah once you finish one of the war games or something you could just get a free

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certificate or something yeah a good war game though oh yeah you know something that covers a lot of

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stuff and free you know or maybe the cost of printing off a certificate or a frame or whatever

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oh they send you a pdf of the certificate yeah and you do what you want with it great

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anyway uh let's see intense school the florida-based company that runs the hacking boot camp started

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off in 1997 with a 35 000 investment teaching god get this teaching microsoft and cisco software to

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systems engineers after the september 11 2001 terror attacks again this goes back to what i said selling

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fear after september 11 2001 terror attacks the company expanded its focus to information security

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courses it now offers about 200 classes a year generating about 15 million dollars in annual

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revenue wow 15 million per year annual revenue are they really that afraid of hackers the fifth that

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now hackers is terrorists that they're afraid of yeah and they're selling fear of a to combat against

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b you know hackers are not terrorists that's the thing that they just they align us together i

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don't i don't know i don't know there's a connection between september 11th and information security i

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mean what you know i you know i really don't other than i uh allegations that that the terrorists use the

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internet to communicate or something but guess what that doesn't mean they're hackers on the internet

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that doesn't mean they're related to hacking that means they had aim like every other ao loser out there

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yeah come on now i mean seriously that doesn't make there's no relationship whatsoever between

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those two terms but again i'm not going to get on that soapbox but here's the i here's the real

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irony here is one of the biggest things that i think everybody in the security industry knows and

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every hacker knows that that is a proven fact statistics show that most break-ins and illegal activity and

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file theft and damage to systems occur from someone on the inside disgruntled employees people that

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don't you know that are inside and that are going to use their access and abuse to sell like there was

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an i probably should have brought this on the show notes but i'm going to wing it here there was an

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article that just happened this week from aol do you remember do you know what i'm talking about

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somebody from aol that worked in aol sold the entire aol database of emails oh no i didn't hear

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about the entire database he sold it to some spammer he got busted got caught for it but somebody on

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the inside of aol sold the whole database to a spammer first of all like everybody aol's already

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spammed to death anyway from aol ironically and never and everyone else but yeah sold it someone on

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the inside it wasn't hackers no hacker infiltrated and stole that database no hacker went in and

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threatened somebody on the inside just like most occurrences most break-ins they occur from people

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on the inside that are thieves not a hacker a thief he stole that file he didn't hack he's not a hacker

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he's not a terrorist frankly either either he's a thief and i mean it's a very clear delineation

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there's no relationship between those either but again that's the statistics show that most of this

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stuff does happen from the inside thieves who are trying to use their access to make money

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disgruntled employees stuff like that do they teach that in these classes do you think they make a point

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of that because if so it comes across to me as just horrible irony that they're teaching people how to

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hack that are employees on the inside so they're actually making them better and easier to steal files

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and get them out yeah exactly under the guise of keeping hackers no wait a minute what's wrong with

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this picture that's back ass words yeah everything's wrong with that picture now you're never going to

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stop the people from the inside from uh they're training them you know aren't they am i am i i'm not

01:05:01.860 --> 01:05:07.380
exaggerating am i they're training these people giving them skills to make them better if if they

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wanted to steal something or or cause damage from the inside they're teaching them yeah definitely

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so why should they be what is it certified ethical and and us real hackers out in the world are

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automatically the bad guy unethical dirty thief hacker terrorist whatever we're no different if

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anything we're better yeah i don't know it doesn't sound to me like this course really teaches ethics

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they just assume that you're ethical because you're spending money exactly you know you know

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some company says oh yeah go learn this so now you're ethical that's an excellent point you're buying

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you can't buy ethics but you can't for four thousand bucks well apparently you can but but you can't

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that's an wow you made me think that's an excellent point you just can't buy ethics but apparently you

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can lease it for after long this one if you have to renew the certification and stuff anyway i really

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might have to look into this so uh let's see let's see i'll finish this up here um what we attempt to

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do in our classes is teach how the hackers think well again i until you go through it hackers the way

01:06:18.480 --> 01:06:23.000
you think is you hit that wall you figure out how to get through that wall around that wall under

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that wall or break through that wall and you have to go through that process yourself if somebody

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hands you a map to dig under the wall or a map to how to go around the wall or something like that

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eventually they're going to fix that and that map is worthless but if you hammer against that wall and

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understand how the wall was built and where the vulnerabilities lie and how to adapt etc and that's

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a trait that most hackers have is adaptability that's what makes us hackers that's what makes

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us better than than these corporate white hat ethical hackers or whatever they are

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um so trying to teach how hackers think i don't know if that's really possible quite honestly

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uh it says dave kaufman president of intense school the only way to keep hackers out of major

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corporate systems he said is to know how they will be attacked in the first place

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uh cal state sukiing said that in his case the problem is that the users of his system

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know how to attack all too well we teach students how to hack and how to code and here are students

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applying what they've learned against us he said if you taught them and you can't secure your own

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system well i won't even go there anyway that's the article and again i don't want to single out

01:07:35.480 --> 01:07:39.660
this company or the particular companies listed here because there are quite a few that are selling

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this similar certifications and security and stuff like that i guess if they label it security i'd have

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i'd be a little bit more comfortable i still think it's kind of silly but labeling it certified

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ethical hacking that it's just not true they're not teaching them ethics like you said and you can't

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buy it so um and again i said earlier about teach a man to fish and he'll eat forever it's like

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you give basically what they're selling you're going to teach them current hacking techniques you're

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going to teach them things that are going on right now teaching them about a i don't know the latest

01:08:12.320 --> 01:08:17.200
denial of service or the latest internet bug and tell them how to turn off the port that it's using

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and that'll solve the problem congratulations here's your certificate that's you're selling a false sense

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of security in the form of some kind of certification i mean that's what are you going to do 10 years from

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now when everything has changed or five years or even six months from now again if you have those

01:08:36.440 --> 01:08:43.300
hacking skills and the mindset of going through it you know it's it'll be more effective than just

01:08:43.300 --> 01:08:47.560
learning the rope you know learning the the directions following directions it's like any

01:08:47.560 --> 01:08:56.740
other skill that you have you know i mean am i am i off am i way off base here or no no no no i'm just

01:08:56.740 --> 01:09:02.040
i'm just thrown off by this whole thing it's just it's just a scam to make a whole lot of money and

01:09:02.040 --> 01:09:08.840
i don't know and and it is at our expense isn't it our expense as hackers oh yeah definitely

01:09:08.840 --> 01:09:14.720
i mean just in the marketing alone i don't know what they say about hackers in the class but the

01:09:14.720 --> 01:09:18.780
marketing alone it's like oh my god these people are going to break in and steal all your stuff no

01:09:18.780 --> 01:09:26.260
oh we might break in and find uh pictures of you and your girlfriend getting it on and you know put

01:09:26.260 --> 01:09:38.960
it on our website but oh maybe not nah um yeah this is um i don't know if this is way out there

01:09:38.960 --> 01:09:45.600
man i don't know what to think about this i generally i'm all for education i really you know i'm i would

01:09:45.600 --> 01:09:53.220
be perfectly fine if you know these were listed as security things and people are learning it's it's

01:09:53.220 --> 01:09:57.420
it's all good that they're learning how to protect their networks and everything that part's fine

01:09:57.420 --> 01:10:01.500
they have every right to do that and they should do that but the prices that they're charging

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that just seems really unreasonable and yes i understand other technical classes and boot camps

01:10:08.560 --> 01:10:16.560
and stuff like that are also expensive frankly those as well especially hacking but any any of those

01:10:16.560 --> 01:10:21.280
things you can teach yourself this stuff i mean that's what hackers do too we sit down and we

01:10:21.280 --> 01:10:26.760
go to the websites and read up on it we read the manuals that's why we're all into open source

01:10:26.760 --> 01:10:31.660
because all that information is given to you you can learn it on your own no proprietary stuff

01:10:31.660 --> 01:10:34.820
i have to say that some technical training actually is very good like they've laid out

01:10:34.820 --> 01:10:39.760
lessons and stuff like that to teach you like techniques to do things um but some technical

01:10:39.760 --> 01:10:42.920
training is garbage you know it's just basically they go through the manual and that's it

01:10:42.920 --> 01:10:47.720
and that's that stuff's unnecessary but wait didn't you say these guys give you a laptop or

01:10:47.720 --> 01:10:51.880
something uh they just no it just says they sit in front of laptops at the beginning

01:10:51.880 --> 01:10:56.600
because i saw one of these things once i saw an advertisement maybe it was a defcom last year

01:10:56.600 --> 01:11:01.040
when i went uh some flyer that was passed out or something and basically i think it was four or

01:11:01.040 --> 01:11:05.840
five thousand dollars you know it's this hacker training course like this one but they give you

01:11:05.840 --> 01:11:11.100
a laptop at the end of it um i imagine the laptop is a piece of garbage because they're not going to

01:11:11.100 --> 01:11:14.580
give you like a thirty five hundred dollar laptop or five hundred bucks on the training

01:11:14.580 --> 01:11:19.360
they'll add it to the price of the training yeah exactly or you know what else it could be

01:11:19.360 --> 01:11:25.260
selling laptops under the guise of a training thing yeah the goal is simply to sell the laptop the rest

01:11:25.260 --> 01:11:32.260
of the stuff is bogus yep i've seen that happen before i've seen that many times yeah i think you

01:11:32.260 --> 01:11:36.920
know what i think there's nothing wrong with education as you said right you know as under the guise of

01:11:36.920 --> 01:11:40.380
you know we're going to make you an ethical hacker and you're going to be able to protect your

01:11:40.380 --> 01:11:46.340
you know your environment it's just not going to happen in a week no there's just no way no no any

01:11:46.340 --> 01:11:50.340
technical training that i've gone to that was a week long teach you the basics then you have to

01:11:50.340 --> 01:11:54.660
really go and keep learning for yourself otherwise you're just it's going to be completely useless

01:11:54.660 --> 01:12:00.320
yeah a week after you get back a new exploit comes out or a new style of attack or a new something

01:12:00.320 --> 01:12:06.640
comes out your school is over with so they're not going to teach it to you so the only way that

01:12:06.640 --> 01:12:12.260
you're going to learn it or find out is by keeping up with the scene teaching yourself learning about

01:12:12.260 --> 01:12:16.680
how it works and how to defend against it anyway well guess what you could have done that without

01:12:16.680 --> 01:12:21.580
the four thousand dollar class in the first place yeah you're going to have to do it after the class if

01:12:21.580 --> 01:12:27.480
you want to maintain your skills so just do it yourself just learn take the initiative these people

01:12:27.480 --> 01:12:31.640
have to realize that learning is a process it's not a one-time action you know you don't just do it

01:12:31.640 --> 01:12:35.160
once in a minute said okay i learned it right you know you know there's a difference between

01:12:35.160 --> 01:12:40.120
learning and memorizing huge difference if you don't learn it you memorize it it's gone

01:12:40.120 --> 01:12:47.520
so you memorize directions but when your person moves when somebody moves you're never going to

01:12:47.520 --> 01:12:56.060
find them again anyway i just wish they didn't you know a charge so much and b all this is available

01:12:56.060 --> 01:13:01.420
for free on the internet i said jokingly earlier but i did seriously i wrote a very in-depth article

01:13:01.420 --> 01:13:05.780
on footprinting and you can buy the magazine for five bucks and i'm not saying that to pimp the

01:13:05.780 --> 01:13:10.800
magazine people listening to show know that we sell a magazine that's not it i'm telling you that

01:13:10.800 --> 01:13:15.100
this information is here and i'm certainly i'm not the only one that's ever written information like

01:13:15.100 --> 01:13:20.680
this tons of stuff out there on the web about footprinting i'm certain of it there's got to be

01:13:20.680 --> 01:13:25.540
and not only that that's one article in this whole magazine and then you have 2600 magazine and

01:13:25.540 --> 01:13:30.400
just all the e-zines online and the websites just put the time in there go out there and learn it

01:13:30.400 --> 01:13:39.100
yourself and and doing it that way you will learn what real true ethical hacking is can't buy it on

01:13:39.100 --> 01:13:47.280
a freaking certificate from some all right anyway let me hop off of that soapbox i i controlled myself

01:13:47.280 --> 01:13:52.880
fairly well i'm i did all right on that one not bad all right man anything else you want to add before

01:13:52.880 --> 01:13:58.240
we oh man before we go into shouts or do you want to go you go ahead with the shouts

01:13:58.240 --> 01:14:03.940
yeah i'm going to give shouts to um what did you wait a minute did you mention defcon before you go

01:14:03.940 --> 01:14:09.300
on did you want to talk mention something about defcon um or did you earlier no i thought i had some

01:14:09.300 --> 01:14:14.380
news about defcon but uh i'm going to hold off on that i'll announce uh whatever i've got to announce

01:14:14.380 --> 01:14:22.080
i guess closer to defcon okay i don't know which is at the middle no the end of july yeah at the end

01:14:22.080 --> 01:14:32.940
of july i think it's july 30th 30th 31st july 31 days i'm not sure yeah yeah 30 july 30th 31st and

01:14:32.940 --> 01:14:40.640
august 1st defcon okay um at the alexis park hotel in las vegas um yeah i had something planned

01:14:40.640 --> 01:14:44.860
for that but i'm not i'm not gonna announce just yet so all right all right we'll keep everyone

01:14:44.860 --> 01:14:52.080
informed when you're ready to go through with that yeah um shout outs shout outs um sergeant switch hook

01:14:52.080 --> 01:15:02.960
um dual man let me think who else doug and um you know what i think that's it is that it i am too

01:15:02.960 --> 01:15:10.440
lazy to keep going i'm just shot man yeah i know it's a late night i'm gonna wrap it up myself and

01:15:10.440 --> 01:15:15.580
go to my new job tomorrow that's gonna be very interesting hopefully they're better people than

01:15:15.580 --> 01:15:21.780
my old job anyway my old the people at my old job would never listen to the show anyway they don't

01:15:21.780 --> 01:15:27.420
have the motivation or the desire for knowledge but anyway um my shout outs actually i get quite

01:15:27.420 --> 01:15:31.180
a few because i've been off for a couple layers and so people have been doing a lot of cool things to

01:15:31.180 --> 01:15:36.220
help me out um first of all i'm gonna give shout out to white sword i gave shout outs before about

01:15:36.220 --> 01:15:42.560
white sword tv and he's actually come out with episode two which was also very cool so sincere

01:15:42.560 --> 01:15:48.960
shout outs to him um it really is a good show i'm not saying that in a sarcastic way joking really

01:15:48.960 --> 01:15:52.900
is pretty cool i it kept me interested and i watched the whole thing and i and i mean that so

01:15:52.900 --> 01:16:01.000
shouts to him um shouts to dj mollusk dj sub zero uh 813 era again i mentioned earlier they've been

01:16:01.000 --> 01:16:07.380
doing a lot of great things helping me out with the site show notes some other stuff um the the cd

01:16:07.380 --> 01:16:13.280
of the radio show uh sub zero did most of the work on that if not all of the work on that so

01:16:13.280 --> 01:16:18.320
that helps me tremendously that's just one less thing you know you heard all the stuff earlier

01:16:18.320 --> 01:16:22.860
that i'm working on trying to get done and you know that helps tremendously that people help out

01:16:22.860 --> 01:16:27.880
and do stuff like that some things i have to do myself but you know other people can help out with

01:16:27.880 --> 01:16:33.440
these things and that really really goes very far with me and i truly appreciate it so definitely

01:16:33.440 --> 01:16:40.960
shouts out to them um and we're going to close out this week um for another track from betallica

01:16:40.960 --> 01:16:48.740
which is a play on words it's beat the beatles and metallica joined together so a pretty cool rock

01:16:48.740 --> 01:16:53.640
band got the metallica feel to it and this song is called i want to choke your band i don't think

01:16:53.640 --> 01:16:59.400
we've closed with this before if we have sorry you're going to hear it again and i guess that is it

01:16:59.400 --> 01:17:05.400
so not theory thank you my friend for being on the show thanks for having me back and yeah we'll

01:17:05.400 --> 01:17:09.440
you know we want to get you on as often as possible you always have great content great stuff to talk

01:17:09.440 --> 01:17:15.400
about and you keep me reined in and and corrected when i make mistakes so oh yeah whatever reminds me

01:17:15.400 --> 01:17:21.100
one last thing shoot the bell's mind updates go to forums.binrev.com freaks and geeks forum

01:17:21.100 --> 01:17:25.320
there's a couple of threads about bell's mind there's going to be stuff coming up before hope so

01:17:25.320 --> 01:17:29.340
check it out keep yourself posted yeah and you know what also you mentioned about

01:17:29.340 --> 01:17:34.100
you know making it open source putting making the source available and all but the latest most

01:17:34.100 --> 01:17:39.920
up-to-date version will always be up and running at bell's mind.net yeah right so anytime changes or

01:17:39.920 --> 01:17:43.660
additions or updates or whatever they're always going to go there so get in the habit of going there

01:17:43.660 --> 01:17:50.180
for your information so yep that is going to do it and yeah i know you know i know your job

01:17:50.180 --> 01:17:55.340
situation it's totally cool i've been there i know how it is so man anytime you want to be on the show

01:17:55.340 --> 01:18:00.340
we'll work it out we'll work around each other's schedules so definitely definitely cool we'll have

01:18:00.340 --> 01:18:06.020
you on as often as we can so i'm good that's going to be it now i know it's been a while but you do

01:18:06.020 --> 01:18:11.960
remember how we closed the show out right oh man i completely forgot oh no oh well it's not

01:18:11.960 --> 01:18:17.380
everything is all it doesn't begin with everything's always it's okay it's the other catchphrase

01:18:17.380 --> 01:18:23.260
and that is that we will see everybody next week same hack time same hack channel

01:18:23.260 --> 01:18:50.100
i want to choke your man i want to choke your man i want to choke your man you'll say please

01:18:50.100 --> 01:18:53.100
it's such a feeling that the light

01:18:53.100 --> 01:18:57.100
it's not me but i'm fucking pissed off man it's easy and nobody's there

01:18:57.100 --> 01:18:59.340
you're thinking i'm heavy

01:18:59.340 --> 01:19:03.100
let me choke your man i want to choke your man

01:19:03.100 --> 01:19:11.100
i want to choke your man and when i punch you i feel happy

01:19:11.100 --> 01:19:17.540
And say, it's such a feeling that the light

01:19:17.540 --> 01:19:23.480
Let it rain, let it rain, let it rain

01:19:23.480 --> 01:19:26.540
And you, you're holding

01:19:26.540 --> 01:19:29.720
I won't take your glass

01:19:29.720 --> 01:19:33.260
Why I never want it

01:19:33.260 --> 01:19:35.800
I want to choke your man

01:19:35.800 --> 01:19:38.680
I want to choke your man

01:19:38.680 --> 01:19:42.140
I want to choke your man

01:19:42.140 --> 01:19:46.340
And when I put you, I feel happy

01:19:46.340 --> 01:19:52.720
It's just a blowing of your blood

01:19:52.720 --> 01:19:57.760
You can't hide, you can't hide, you can't hide

01:19:57.760 --> 01:20:01.700
And you, you're holding

01:20:01.700 --> 01:20:05.020
I won't take your fucking lamp

01:20:05.020 --> 01:20:08.480
Now hold it, never hold it

01:20:08.480 --> 01:20:11.480
I want to choke your man

01:20:11.480 --> 01:20:14.180
I want to choke your man

01:20:14.180 --> 01:20:17.840
I want to choke your man

01:20:17.840 --> 01:20:20.360
I want to choke your man

01:20:20.360 --> 01:20:22.480
For losing pain

01:20:22.480 --> 01:20:23.580
For losing pain

01:20:23.580 --> 01:20:36.020
I want to choke your man

01:20:36.020 --> 01:20:37.140
I want to choke my man

01:20:37.140 --> 01:20:37.840
I'lleresity

01:20:37.840 --> 01:20:39.940
Ok, let's go

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Pile

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Pile