WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:07.500 This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers 00:07.500 --> 00:12.380 I see in binary, I speak source code 00:12.380 --> 00:16.220 Step on my toes, I'll post a million jpegs of you in a fag pose 00:16.220 --> 00:18.880 In your digital stance, getting firewalled ho 00:18.880 --> 00:21.400 Cause I'm riding the net in my six-fold 00:21.400 --> 00:23.180 I was a dick with my 56 00:23.180 --> 00:26.200 Now with my cable, I'm able to get that stable 00:26.200 --> 00:28.480 On the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo 00:28.480 --> 00:32.220 On the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm a hero 00:32.220 --> 00:34.920 In a flash, I'll screw you on burning dream cats 00:34.920 --> 00:38.120 You need some ISOs? Let me through my hard drive rifle 00:38.120 --> 00:40.140 Our exchange you could never stifle 00:40.140 --> 00:43.280 In a digital hug, you just caught the love bug 00:43.280 --> 00:47.300 I bootlegged your CD, I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z 00:47.300 --> 00:49.520 Your CG, it's all gonna be free 00:49.520 --> 00:51.920 Whether we take it by force or we take it nicely 00:51.920 --> 00:53.880 You feel that rattle in your bones? 00:53.880 --> 00:56.040 When I tell you we just hacked out Jones 00:56.040 --> 00:58.180 And NASDAQ, leave you flat on your back 00:58.180 --> 01:00.480 Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack 01:00.480 --> 01:03.320 Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack 01:03.320 --> 01:06.360 This is dedicated to the hackers and the criminals 01:06.360 --> 01:11.260 Serial codes, source codes, ISOs, RANS, SIFS, SIS 01:11.260 --> 01:13.920 This is dedicated to the hackers and the crack 01:13.920 --> 01:19.460 Welcome ladies and gentlemen to Binary Revolution Radio episode 55 01:19.460 --> 01:25.300 Today is July 27th, Tuesday, July 27th 01:25.300 --> 01:29.040 I am Stank Dog and I am joined again this week by ZeroDB in the house 01:29.040 --> 01:29.800 Yo yo! 01:30.600 --> 01:34.680 And we are going to finish up our little hope recap 01:34.680 --> 01:37.860 The fifth hope in New York City that we went to a couple weeks ago 01:37.860 --> 01:44.760 Had a great time and so much in fact that we were not able to get out all of our stories last week 01:44.760 --> 01:47.440 So we are going to try to finish it up this week 01:47.440 --> 01:50.820 And I mean try cause we had quite a few stories 01:50.820 --> 01:53.480 Some that won't make it on the air but we won't go there 01:53.480 --> 01:55.840 No we won't 01:55.840 --> 01:57.240 No, yeah we'll leave some of that 01:57.240 --> 01:59.220 We gotta leave something to the imagination 01:59.220 --> 02:05.040 So I also have some housekeeping to take care of up front today 02:05.040 --> 02:05.740 And a couple emails 02:05.740 --> 02:08.120 But let me get the housekeeping out of the way first 02:08.120 --> 02:10.720 And this is kind of a big thing 02:10.720 --> 02:12.600 I feel really really bad about this 02:12.600 --> 02:18.080 But for anybody listening or anybody that's ordered magazines 02:18.080 --> 02:21.220 And I know some people order the magazines and don't listen to the show 02:21.220 --> 02:22.640 Or don't even know the show exists 02:22.640 --> 02:25.700 So I sent out an email to everyone about this 02:25.700 --> 02:27.680 But I just wanted to put it out on the air 02:27.680 --> 02:31.580 Again we just got back from Hope 02:31.580 --> 02:33.420 You know a week or so ago 02:33.420 --> 02:35.520 And before I went to Hope 02:35.520 --> 02:38.500 Those last few days I was totally cramming 02:38.500 --> 02:40.320 Getting ready for my presentation at Hope 02:40.320 --> 02:41.520 So 02:41.520 --> 02:45.340 Obviously when you're putting all your time into one thing 02:45.340 --> 02:46.520 Other things get neglected 02:46.520 --> 02:48.720 And in this particular case 02:48.720 --> 02:51.640 Orders for the magazine is what got neglected 02:51.640 --> 02:53.180 So 02:53.180 --> 02:56.360 Basically anybody that's ordered since the beginning of January 02:56.360 --> 02:58.300 I've fulfilled a couple of them before I left 02:58.300 --> 03:00.500 But pretty much anybody who's ordered since the beginning 03:00.500 --> 03:02.180 I'm sorry did I say January I meant July 03:02.180 --> 03:05.140 Anybody who's ordered since the beginning of July 03:05.140 --> 03:08.920 A couple of them went out but most of them have not 03:08.920 --> 03:11.280 Again we went to New York 03:11.280 --> 03:12.300 We were gone for a week 03:12.300 --> 03:13.140 A little over a week 03:13.140 --> 03:14.660 By the time we got back 03:14.660 --> 03:16.360 Went back to work and all that kind of stuff 03:16.360 --> 03:20.600 I'm just now getting caught back up on fulfilling order 03:20.600 --> 03:22.180 So please if you're one of those people 03:22.180 --> 03:22.940 I apologize 03:22.940 --> 03:25.180 Again anybody who was affected 03:25.180 --> 03:26.040 I sent an email 03:26.040 --> 03:27.040 So you know who you are 03:27.040 --> 03:28.200 You got an email from me 03:28.200 --> 03:31.000 On Sunday I think 03:31.000 --> 03:31.700 About that 03:31.700 --> 03:32.120 So 03:32.120 --> 03:34.620 Again I apologize 03:34.620 --> 03:36.660 I am getting some printed 03:36.660 --> 03:39.640 I'm going to get a much larger print run this time 03:39.640 --> 03:41.560 It's going to hurt me 03:41.560 --> 03:43.140 It's going to hurt my wallet a little bit 03:43.140 --> 03:43.940 To get that done 03:43.940 --> 03:45.900 But you know I think it's the next step 03:45.900 --> 03:46.860 Of doing this 03:46.860 --> 03:47.340 Generally 03:47.340 --> 03:49.780 You know we're doing this 03:49.780 --> 03:51.660 Not literally out of our basement 03:51.660 --> 03:52.400 But out of our house 03:52.400 --> 03:52.940 Like we said 03:52.940 --> 03:54.820 We're not a professional group here 03:54.820 --> 03:56.080 We don't have printers on call 03:56.080 --> 03:56.820 And stuff like that 03:56.820 --> 03:58.480 It's a pain and difficult 03:58.480 --> 04:00.160 And a very manual process to do this 04:00.160 --> 04:00.560 So 04:00.560 --> 04:03.520 I'm only getting as many printed at a time 04:03.520 --> 04:04.480 50 at a time 04:04.480 --> 04:05.260 Or something like that 04:05.260 --> 04:06.880 As much as I can afford out of pocket 04:06.880 --> 04:07.880 So 04:07.880 --> 04:09.680 It's kind of tough doing it 04:09.680 --> 04:09.980 So 04:09.980 --> 04:11.440 This time I'm going to try to 04:11.440 --> 04:13.480 Get a few hundred of each issue printed 04:13.480 --> 04:14.680 So I have them on hand 04:14.680 --> 04:15.340 On stock 04:15.340 --> 04:17.240 So once I get that 04:17.240 --> 04:19.340 I will start fulfilling those orders 04:19.340 --> 04:21.160 As soon as humanly possible 04:21.160 --> 04:21.620 So 04:21.620 --> 04:23.740 Again I just wanted to put that on the air 04:23.740 --> 04:24.280 I apologize 04:24.280 --> 04:26.040 People are wondering where their orders are 04:26.040 --> 04:27.160 Where their magazines are 04:27.160 --> 04:28.880 So I emailed them 04:28.880 --> 04:29.300 Explained 04:29.300 --> 04:30.660 And hopefully they understand 04:30.660 --> 04:33.840 Also along those same lines 04:33.840 --> 04:36.420 At the HOPE conference 04:36.420 --> 04:38.480 We released issue 2.1 04:38.480 --> 04:40.080 The third issue of our magazine 04:40.080 --> 04:41.160 Issue 2.1 04:41.160 --> 04:43.180 We took them to HOPE 04:43.180 --> 04:44.020 And sold out 04:44.020 --> 04:45.740 So 04:45.740 --> 04:47.900 We 04:47.900 --> 04:49.360 Those are something else 04:49.360 --> 04:50.280 We're getting those printed 04:50.280 --> 04:51.120 As well as the others 04:51.120 --> 04:52.960 So when I get some of those on hand 04:52.960 --> 04:53.820 We're going to get them all printed 04:53.820 --> 04:54.680 At the same time 04:54.680 --> 04:55.820 And once I do 04:55.820 --> 04:57.520 I will put those up on the website 04:57.520 --> 04:58.460 For ordering 04:58.460 --> 05:00.320 So I could put it up now 05:00.320 --> 05:01.820 I've actually already coded the page 05:01.820 --> 05:02.820 And all the transactions 05:02.820 --> 05:03.700 And all that kind of stuff 05:03.700 --> 05:04.680 So I could put it up now 05:04.680 --> 05:04.920 But 05:04.920 --> 05:05.940 I want to wait 05:05.940 --> 05:07.420 Until I physically got them 05:07.420 --> 05:08.460 In my hands 05:08.460 --> 05:09.800 Before I put that up 05:09.800 --> 05:10.320 On the website 05:10.320 --> 05:10.860 To order 05:10.860 --> 05:11.280 But 05:11.280 --> 05:13.040 It will be very soon 05:13.040 --> 05:14.240 As soon as I can get a printer 05:14.240 --> 05:15.020 To take the job 05:15.020 --> 05:16.060 And get them back to me 05:16.060 --> 05:17.220 And 05:17.220 --> 05:18.140 The two printers 05:18.140 --> 05:19.640 I've talked to locally so far 05:19.640 --> 05:20.920 That originally said 05:20.920 --> 05:21.600 They would do it 05:21.600 --> 05:23.260 Ended up backing out on me 05:23.260 --> 05:23.840 At the last minute 05:23.840 --> 05:24.740 It wasn't worth their 05:24.740 --> 05:26.400 Time and money 05:26.400 --> 05:27.120 Or it wasn't worth 05:27.120 --> 05:28.300 They didn't make enough money 05:28.300 --> 05:28.640 I guess 05:28.640 --> 05:29.200 Worthwhile 05:29.200 --> 05:30.560 For such a small print run 05:30.560 --> 05:32.280 So I'm kind of caught 05:32.280 --> 05:32.940 In that position 05:32.940 --> 05:33.360 Where 05:33.360 --> 05:34.940 I've got to get a 05:34.940 --> 05:36.080 I've got to get my foot 05:36.080 --> 05:36.440 In the door 05:36.440 --> 05:37.040 So am I willing 05:37.040 --> 05:37.820 To give us a shot 05:37.820 --> 05:38.160 So 05:38.160 --> 05:40.480 That is what I'm working on 05:40.480 --> 05:41.160 So please 05:41.160 --> 05:42.800 Be patient with us 05:42.800 --> 05:43.740 While we get caught up 05:43.740 --> 05:44.980 And get things going again 05:44.980 --> 05:47.520 And 05:47.520 --> 05:49.580 Let's see 05:49.580 --> 05:51.800 Actually I'm doing something else 05:51.800 --> 05:51.980 I 05:51.980 --> 05:53.200 I usually don't like 05:53.200 --> 05:54.400 Talking about this on the radio 05:54.400 --> 05:56.040 Like doing live installs 05:56.040 --> 05:56.600 And stuff like that 05:56.600 --> 05:57.940 But I am actually installing 05:57.940 --> 05:59.800 Sousa 9.1 05:59.800 --> 06:00.720 On one of my boxes 06:00.720 --> 06:01.100 Right now 06:01.100 --> 06:02.440 I finally got around to 06:02.440 --> 06:05.560 Putting a KVM switch 06:05.560 --> 06:07.180 On my systems 06:07.180 --> 06:08.180 And tying everything 06:08.180 --> 06:08.840 Into my big 06:08.840 --> 06:09.880 21 inch monitor 06:09.880 --> 06:11.700 And got rid of some extra 06:11.700 --> 06:12.640 Freed up some space 06:12.640 --> 06:13.240 By getting rid of 06:13.240 --> 06:13.740 Some of these other 06:13.740 --> 06:15.260 17 and 19 inch monitors 06:15.260 --> 06:16.360 And 15 inch monitors 06:16.360 --> 06:17.480 And moving some stuff around 06:17.480 --> 06:17.780 So 06:17.780 --> 06:19.580 I'm physically cleaning up 06:19.580 --> 06:20.340 My computer room 06:20.340 --> 06:20.600 And 06:20.600 --> 06:21.680 And 06:21.680 --> 06:23.040 Reinstalling some box 06:23.040 --> 06:23.840 In the process 06:23.840 --> 06:24.340 So 06:24.340 --> 06:24.880 Right now 06:24.880 --> 06:25.520 I'm installing 06:25.520 --> 06:26.760 Sousa 9.1 06:26.760 --> 06:27.800 And I'm going to switch over 06:27.800 --> 06:29.320 Because it might be done now 06:29.320 --> 06:31.040 Now it's 99% done 06:31.040 --> 06:32.960 So 06:32.960 --> 06:35.000 I'm going to 06:35.000 --> 06:37.900 Switch back to that 06:37.900 --> 06:38.300 In a second 06:38.300 --> 06:39.080 And see if I can get that 06:39.080 --> 06:39.620 Installing 06:39.620 --> 06:40.040 But I know 06:40.040 --> 06:40.400 That's kind of 06:40.400 --> 06:40.920 Boring radio 06:40.920 --> 06:41.420 So I'm not going to 06:41.420 --> 06:41.980 Walk through that 06:41.980 --> 06:42.680 Process or anything 06:42.680 --> 06:43.080 But 06:43.080 --> 06:43.880 Thought that might be 06:43.880 --> 06:44.680 An interesting little 06:44.680 --> 06:46.100 Tidbit of trivia there 06:46.100 --> 06:47.900 And 06:47.900 --> 06:48.940 We have 06:48.940 --> 06:49.920 A couple emails 06:49.920 --> 06:50.500 This week 06:50.500 --> 06:51.160 And actually 06:51.160 --> 06:53.500 To introduce our email 06:53.500 --> 06:54.560 We're going to 06:54.560 --> 06:55.600 Try something a little 06:55.600 --> 06:56.320 New this week 06:56.320 --> 06:57.360 So check this out 07:09.620 --> 07:12.620 All right 07:12.620 --> 07:17.680 All right 07:17.680 --> 07:18.980 And our first email 07:18.980 --> 07:20.240 Now is from 07:20.240 --> 07:21.260 Moth 07:21.260 --> 07:22.220 Who says 07:22.220 --> 07:23.440 I'm now 07:23.440 --> 07:24.480 Almost caught up 07:24.480 --> 07:26.220 On episode 49 07:26.220 --> 07:26.720 Now 07:26.720 --> 07:27.440 Great show 07:27.440 --> 07:27.460 Great show 07:27.460 --> 07:28.360 Really informative 07:28.360 --> 07:29.360 I really like it 07:29.360 --> 07:30.680 Some of my favorite 07:30.680 --> 07:31.360 Eps are 07:31.360 --> 07:32.400 The GPL ep 07:32.400 --> 07:33.900 One of the first ones 07:33.900 --> 07:34.660 If not the pilot 07:34.660 --> 07:35.400 Where Stank just 07:35.400 --> 07:36.820 Goes off on a huge rant 07:36.820 --> 07:37.640 And kills everyone 07:37.640 --> 07:39.640 I don't think 07:39.640 --> 07:40.980 I killed everyone 07:40.980 --> 07:41.340 Did I 07:41.340 --> 07:42.500 I might have felt 07:42.500 --> 07:43.180 Like I was 07:43.180 --> 07:44.700 And the GPL episode 07:44.700 --> 07:45.340 I think that was 07:45.340 --> 07:46.180 Voodoo Hal and I 07:46.180 --> 07:47.160 And that was a very 07:47.160 --> 07:47.740 Good episode too 07:47.740 --> 07:48.520 I learned a lot 07:48.520 --> 07:48.980 On that episode 07:48.980 --> 07:49.520 Myself 07:49.520 --> 07:51.260 Stank to really 07:51.260 --> 07:51.920 Have his finger 07:51.920 --> 07:52.580 On the pulse 07:52.580 --> 07:53.680 Of the tech world 07:53.680 --> 07:54.760 He will say something 07:54.760 --> 07:55.680 Then weeks 07:55.680 --> 07:56.540 Even months later 07:56.540 --> 07:58.280 A similar article 07:58.280 --> 07:58.960 Will show up 07:58.960 --> 07:59.800 On slash dot 07:59.800 --> 08:00.580 Or tech tv 08:00.580 --> 08:02.020 And he puts in 08:02.020 --> 08:02.320 Parentheses 08:02.320 --> 08:03.340 Robots dot text 08:03.340 --> 08:04.200 Yeah 08:04.200 --> 08:05.340 I've 08:05.340 --> 08:06.340 Had that happen 08:06.340 --> 08:07.140 To me a couple times 08:07.140 --> 08:07.720 But you know what 08:07.720 --> 08:08.200 That's good 08:08.200 --> 08:09.440 That's what I want 08:09.440 --> 08:10.040 I want people 08:10.040 --> 08:10.940 To pick up on these 08:10.940 --> 08:11.780 Stories and run with them 08:11.780 --> 08:12.400 I want to bring them 08:12.400 --> 08:13.140 To people's attention 08:13.140 --> 08:14.760 So if they take it 08:14.760 --> 08:16.240 From my small media 08:16.240 --> 08:17.240 My small show here 08:17.240 --> 08:18.160 And run with it 08:18.160 --> 08:18.780 To the mass media 08:18.780 --> 08:19.260 That's great 08:19.260 --> 08:19.940 That's what I want 08:19.940 --> 08:20.180 So 08:20.180 --> 08:21.820 Kind of is a slap 08:21.820 --> 08:22.220 In the face 08:22.220 --> 08:23.640 But that doesn't 08:23.640 --> 08:24.300 Bother me too much 08:24.300 --> 08:24.720 I think that's 08:24.720 --> 08:25.440 Actually pretty cool 08:25.440 --> 08:27.360 He says 08:27.360 --> 08:28.200 As I was listening 08:28.200 --> 08:28.920 To the show 08:28.920 --> 08:29.660 I was trying to 08:29.660 --> 08:30.140 Think of a way 08:30.140 --> 08:30.600 That I could 08:30.600 --> 08:31.560 Participate in the 08:31.560 --> 08:32.020 Community 08:32.020 --> 08:33.580 I'm not really 08:33.580 --> 08:34.100 A hacker 08:34.100 --> 08:35.260 Although as you've 08:35.260 --> 08:35.820 Said before 08:35.820 --> 08:36.560 I probably don't 08:36.560 --> 08:37.280 Give myself enough 08:37.280 --> 08:37.600 Credit 08:37.600 --> 08:38.740 But I am a 08:38.740 --> 08:39.520 Decent musician 08:39.520 --> 08:40.540 I forget which 08:40.540 --> 08:41.340 Episode it was 08:41.340 --> 08:42.000 But stank 08:42.000 --> 08:43.220 And insert 08:43.220 --> 08:44.060 Random co-host 08:44.060 --> 08:44.780 Here lol 08:44.780 --> 08:46.200 We're talking about 08:46.200 --> 08:47.540 An email theme song 08:47.540 --> 08:48.440 Well I whipped one 08:48.440 --> 08:49.740 Up real quick 08:49.740 --> 08:51.000 It only took me 08:51.000 --> 08:51.720 Like five minutes 08:51.720 --> 08:52.120 To do 08:52.120 --> 08:52.760 So don't feel 08:52.760 --> 08:54.040 Obligated to use it 08:54.040 --> 08:54.920 But I would like 08:54.920 --> 08:55.800 To offer my services 08:55.800 --> 08:56.580 As a composer 08:56.580 --> 08:57.540 For BinReV Radio 08:57.540 --> 08:58.000 Hack TV 08:58.000 --> 08:58.920 And other projects 08:58.920 --> 08:59.960 Perhaps some other 08:59.960 --> 09:00.700 Related projects 09:00.700 --> 09:01.820 Maybe Default Radio 09:01.820 --> 09:03.200 Upcoming HPR 09:03.200 --> 09:03.620 Etc 09:03.620 --> 09:04.600 Anyway 09:04.600 --> 09:05.360 All pitches and 09:05.360 --> 09:06.240 Pimping aside 09:06.240 --> 09:07.080 Great show 09:07.080 --> 09:08.320 Keep it up 09:08.320 --> 09:10.200 So thank you 09:10.200 --> 09:10.600 Moth 09:10.600 --> 09:11.920 For the email 09:11.920 --> 09:13.420 And as you may 09:13.420 --> 09:14.100 Have just heard 09:14.100 --> 09:15.020 We did open 09:15.020 --> 09:16.020 With your email 09:16.020 --> 09:16.600 Introduction 09:16.600 --> 09:17.240 Which was really 09:17.240 --> 09:17.620 Cool 09:17.620 --> 09:19.200 I can't 09:19.200 --> 09:20.380 I can't do that 09:20.380 --> 09:21.240 I can't whip that 09:21.240 --> 09:22.180 Up in five minutes 09:22.180 --> 09:22.920 Five minutes 09:22.920 --> 09:23.200 No 09:23.200 --> 09:24.080 I couldn't whip that 09:24.080 --> 09:25.020 Up in five days 09:25.020 --> 09:26.180 I mean joking aside 09:26.180 --> 09:27.040 I can't do that 09:27.040 --> 09:27.920 Yeah 09:27.920 --> 09:28.980 I can't do that 09:28.980 --> 09:29.720 I mean I don't 09:29.720 --> 09:30.140 Have that 09:30.140 --> 09:31.440 That gift of music 09:31.440 --> 09:32.680 So yeah 09:32.680 --> 09:33.400 Absolutely 09:33.400 --> 09:35.200 If you want to 09:35.200 --> 09:35.940 Write something 09:35.940 --> 09:36.580 And send it in 09:36.580 --> 09:37.200 We could probably 09:37.200 --> 09:38.080 Use it somewhere 09:38.080 --> 09:38.560 Somehow 09:38.560 --> 09:39.700 So absolutely 09:39.700 --> 09:40.220 If you want to 09:40.220 --> 09:40.940 Work on something 09:40.940 --> 09:41.420 Like that 09:41.420 --> 09:42.340 By all means 09:42.340 --> 09:43.020 Do it and send it 09:43.020 --> 09:43.360 Our way 09:43.360 --> 09:44.120 We'll figure out 09:44.120 --> 09:44.900 Something we can do 09:44.900 --> 09:45.700 We'll find some way 09:45.700 --> 09:46.480 If it's nothing else 09:46.480 --> 09:47.500 Than putting it up 09:47.500 --> 09:48.000 On the website 09:48.000 --> 09:48.600 For other people 09:48.600 --> 09:49.220 To enjoy 09:49.220 --> 09:49.780 You know 09:49.780 --> 09:50.380 We'll do something 09:50.380 --> 09:50.960 Like that 09:50.960 --> 09:52.660 And I'm going to 09:52.660 --> 09:53.340 Try to start using 09:53.340 --> 09:54.740 That as our email 09:54.740 --> 09:56.060 If I can get myself 09:56.060 --> 09:56.900 In the habit of doing it 09:56.900 --> 09:57.780 Start opening the email 09:57.780 --> 09:58.380 Bag with that 09:58.380 --> 09:59.160 Since he's given us 09:59.160 --> 09:59.520 Permission 09:59.520 --> 10:00.540 I think that's pretty cool 10:00.540 --> 10:01.140 I liked it 10:01.140 --> 10:03.200 Actually I think 10:03.200 --> 10:04.140 That was a pretty cool 10:04.140 --> 10:06.040 I could listen to a full song 10:06.040 --> 10:07.320 With that style 10:07.320 --> 10:08.060 That beat 10:08.060 --> 10:08.520 That rhythm 10:08.520 --> 10:09.300 That was pretty cool 10:09.300 --> 10:11.920 So 10:11.920 --> 10:13.500 Let's see 10:13.500 --> 10:16.240 We have one more email 10:16.240 --> 10:16.940 And then we're going to 10:16.940 --> 10:17.800 Jump back into our 10:17.800 --> 10:18.960 Talking about hope 10:18.960 --> 10:20.720 And this email 10:20.720 --> 10:21.480 Is from 10:21.480 --> 10:22.260 Jab 10:22.260 --> 10:23.100 J-A-B 10:23.100 --> 10:24.420 Excuse me 10:24.420 --> 10:25.140 It says 10:25.140 --> 10:25.480 Hey 10:25.480 --> 10:26.660 Greetings from Germany 10:26.660 --> 10:27.880 It was a pleasure 10:27.880 --> 10:29.400 Listening to your radio show 10:29.400 --> 10:30.600 But the best thing 10:30.600 --> 10:31.320 Was the remix 10:31.320 --> 10:32.100 Of the theme 10:32.100 --> 10:33.180 At the end of the show 10:33.180 --> 10:34.980 Can I get that track 10:34.980 --> 10:36.040 Somewhere online 10:36.040 --> 10:37.560 I would like some friends 10:37.560 --> 10:38.340 To hear it 10:38.340 --> 10:39.620 Please let me know 10:39.620 --> 10:40.540 Or give me the name 10:40.540 --> 10:41.320 Of the song 10:41.320 --> 10:41.960 Slash 10:41.960 --> 10:42.620 Rapper 10:42.620 --> 10:44.120 That would be very great 10:44.120 --> 10:45.180 Thanks 10:45.180 --> 10:46.000 A lot 10:46.000 --> 10:48.060 Um 10:48.060 --> 10:48.560 Okay 10:48.560 --> 10:49.280 First of all 10:49.280 --> 10:50.560 Germany 10:50.560 --> 10:51.360 I don't know 10:51.360 --> 10:52.360 That we've had an email 10:52.360 --> 10:52.980 From Germany 10:52.980 --> 10:53.680 On the show before 10:53.680 --> 10:54.780 So that's very cool 10:54.780 --> 10:55.680 We get email 10:55.680 --> 10:56.420 From a lot of 10:56.420 --> 10:57.120 Different countries 10:57.120 --> 10:59.620 We maybe 10:59.620 --> 11:00.420 Maybe we need to 11:00.420 --> 11:01.420 I think there's actually 11:01.420 --> 11:03.320 A little app 11:03.320 --> 11:04.000 That you can install 11:04.000 --> 11:04.780 On your web server 11:04.780 --> 11:06.780 That puts up a map 11:06.780 --> 11:07.700 That people can mark 11:07.700 --> 11:08.960 What countries 11:08.960 --> 11:09.560 Or what places 11:09.560 --> 11:10.220 They come from 11:10.220 --> 11:10.760 Put like a little 11:10.760 --> 11:11.620 Virtual pin 11:11.620 --> 11:12.780 On a map 11:12.780 --> 11:13.360 Maybe we need to 11:13.360 --> 11:14.160 Get something like that 11:14.160 --> 11:14.980 Up so we can see 11:14.980 --> 11:15.840 Where our listener base 11:15.840 --> 11:16.460 See where people 11:16.460 --> 11:17.600 Are listening to the show 11:17.600 --> 11:17.940 From 11:17.940 --> 11:19.220 Because I find it 11:19.220 --> 11:20.080 Amazing every time 11:20.080 --> 11:20.680 We get an email 11:20.680 --> 11:21.140 Like this 11:21.140 --> 11:21.600 From some 11:21.600 --> 11:24.260 What I refer to 11:24.260 --> 11:24.840 Obviously being 11:24.840 --> 11:25.420 In the United States 11:25.420 --> 11:26.380 As a distant country 11:26.380 --> 11:27.020 Or you know 11:27.020 --> 11:28.400 So 11:28.400 --> 11:29.600 I might have to 11:29.600 --> 11:30.240 Look into something 11:30.240 --> 11:30.720 Like that 11:30.720 --> 11:31.100 Now 11:31.100 --> 11:32.160 As far as the 11:32.160 --> 11:32.980 Actual 11:32.980 --> 11:34.740 Question here 11:34.740 --> 11:35.560 I'm not exactly 11:35.560 --> 11:36.020 Sure 11:36.020 --> 11:37.340 Do you 11:37.340 --> 11:37.960 Do you understand 11:37.960 --> 11:39.000 Exactly what he's 11:39.000 --> 11:39.780 Asking for here 11:39.780 --> 11:40.520 We don't 11:40.520 --> 11:41.300 End the show 11:41.300 --> 11:42.140 With the same song 11:42.140 --> 11:42.720 Every time 11:42.720 --> 11:44.740 I'm not sure 11:44.740 --> 11:45.340 I don't know 11:45.340 --> 11:46.960 Did you at one point 11:46.960 --> 11:48.760 Play like the 11:48.760 --> 11:49.560 Zero 11:49.560 --> 11:50.640 The full 11:50.640 --> 11:51.400 Blown version 11:51.400 --> 11:51.780 Of Zero 11:51.780 --> 11:52.780 I think at one point 11:52.780 --> 11:53.720 We 11:53.720 --> 11:54.720 We did on the 11:54.720 --> 11:55.640 Like the very first 11:55.640 --> 11:56.220 Show ever 11:56.220 --> 11:56.840 I think 11:56.840 --> 11:57.540 Or one of the 11:57.540 --> 11:58.260 First shows 11:58.260 --> 11:58.920 The pilot 11:58.920 --> 11:59.620 Or the episode 11:59.620 --> 12:00.500 One or something 12:00.500 --> 12:01.620 And I know 12:01.620 --> 12:02.280 We used it on 12:02.280 --> 12:02.420 The 12:02.420 --> 12:03.720 Yeah I know 12:03.720 --> 12:04.260 We used it on 12:04.260 --> 12:04.920 The anniversary 12:04.920 --> 12:05.640 Yeah 12:05.640 --> 12:06.460 So 12:06.460 --> 12:07.260 And he did say 12:07.260 --> 12:07.660 Remix 12:07.660 --> 12:08.120 So maybe 12:08.120 --> 12:08.820 Did he say 12:08.820 --> 12:09.180 Remix 12:09.180 --> 12:09.340 No 12:09.340 --> 12:10.060 Yeah the remix 12:10.060 --> 12:10.560 Of the theme 12:10.560 --> 12:11.080 At the end 12:11.080 --> 12:12.960 Maybe he's only 12:12.960 --> 12:13.780 Heard the anniversary 12:13.780 --> 12:14.300 Show 12:14.300 --> 12:14.820 And thinks that 12:14.820 --> 12:15.240 We end it 12:15.240 --> 12:16.000 With that every time 12:16.000 --> 12:16.600 Anyway 12:16.600 --> 12:18.720 I think everybody 12:18.720 --> 12:19.420 Knows the answer 12:19.420 --> 12:20.060 To this question 12:20.060 --> 12:20.520 By now 12:20.520 --> 12:21.620 Our opening theme 12:21.620 --> 12:22.760 Our theme 12:22.760 --> 12:23.620 To Hack TV 12:23.620 --> 12:25.520 The closing theme 12:25.520 --> 12:26.260 That he's probably 12:26.260 --> 12:27.260 Referring to 12:27.260 --> 12:28.840 I think 12:28.840 --> 12:30.140 Yeah I think 12:30.140 --> 12:31.080 Everybody can answer 12:31.080 --> 12:31.940 That all together 12:31.940 --> 12:32.900 Everybody scream out 12:32.900 --> 12:33.280 Zero 12:33.280 --> 12:36.080 Z-E-A-R-L-E 12:36.080 --> 12:36.980 Dot com 12:36.980 --> 12:38.240 And if you go to 12:38.240 --> 12:39.560 Radio.binrev.com 12:39.560 --> 12:40.260 It's right at the 12:40.260 --> 12:41.100 Top of the page 12:41.100 --> 12:42.260 So 12:42.260 --> 12:43.900 Hey we can't make it 12:43.900 --> 12:44.460 A month without 12:44.460 --> 12:45.200 Getting at least 12:45.200 --> 12:45.840 One of these 12:45.840 --> 12:47.040 Anyway 12:47.040 --> 12:48.500 He's 12:48.500 --> 12:49.840 Got a new listener 12:49.840 --> 12:50.440 Yep 12:50.440 --> 12:51.040 Yep 12:51.040 --> 12:51.840 I bet 12:51.840 --> 12:53.000 Man a lot of people 12:53.000 --> 12:53.660 Have been turned on 12:53.660 --> 12:54.580 Zero makes good 12:54.580 --> 12:55.140 Stuff 12:55.140 --> 12:55.840 He really does 12:55.840 --> 12:56.240 So I hope 12:56.240 --> 12:56.960 He's getting a lot 12:56.960 --> 12:57.980 Of press 12:57.980 --> 12:58.980 And a lot of 12:58.980 --> 12:59.960 Support from people 12:59.960 --> 13:00.860 That are being sent 13:00.860 --> 13:01.480 Over there from us 13:01.480 --> 13:02.180 I hope it's working 13:02.180 --> 13:02.620 For him 13:02.620 --> 13:04.660 Okay 13:04.660 --> 13:05.740 So that's it 13:05.740 --> 13:06.020 We're going to 13:06.020 --> 13:07.160 Close up the mailbag 13:07.160 --> 13:08.540 And move into 13:08.540 --> 13:09.340 The show and tell 13:09.340 --> 13:10.320 Our personal 13:10.320 --> 13:11.140 Hacking stories 13:11.140 --> 13:11.520 That we've been 13:11.520 --> 13:12.060 Working on 13:12.060 --> 13:12.900 Because you and I 13:12.900 --> 13:13.740 Had a little adventure 13:13.740 --> 13:14.420 This weekend 13:14.420 --> 13:15.920 And 13:15.920 --> 13:17.400 Me 13:17.400 --> 13:18.200 I've been working on 13:18.200 --> 13:18.840 Trying to get a printer 13:18.840 --> 13:19.440 For the magazine 13:19.440 --> 13:20.520 As I said earlier 13:20.520 --> 13:21.880 And other than that 13:21.880 --> 13:22.640 You and I 13:22.640 --> 13:24.220 Went and 13:24.220 --> 13:24.880 Checked out 13:24.880 --> 13:25.840 Our local 13:25.840 --> 13:27.160 Well semi local 13:27.160 --> 13:29.560 DEFCON meeting 13:29.560 --> 13:30.600 Which they had 13:30.600 --> 13:31.860 Their very first meeting 13:31.860 --> 13:33.140 DC-305 13:33.140 --> 13:35.160 Miami represent 13:35.160 --> 13:37.920 DC-305 meeting 13:37.920 --> 13:38.720 First ever meeting 13:38.720 --> 13:39.380 They had down there 13:39.380 --> 13:39.980 So we went to 13:39.980 --> 13:40.380 Check that 13:40.380 --> 13:41.600 Inaugural meeting out 13:41.600 --> 13:43.240 And after an hour 13:43.240 --> 13:43.960 We found it 13:43.960 --> 13:45.320 Yeah it was pretty fun 13:45.320 --> 13:45.840 It was about 13:45.840 --> 13:47.200 What was it 13:47.200 --> 13:48.000 About close to 13:48.000 --> 13:49.760 20 minute ride 13:49.760 --> 13:50.720 30 minute ride 13:50.720 --> 13:51.920 It was a good ways 13:51.920 --> 13:52.240 Yeah 13:52.240 --> 13:52.700 And 13:52.700 --> 13:53.660 Who was it 13:53.660 --> 13:54.480 Black Fox 13:54.480 --> 13:55.180 I think that was there 13:55.180 --> 13:55.660 Had driven 13:55.660 --> 13:57.280 45 plus minutes 13:57.280 --> 13:57.760 To be there 13:57.760 --> 13:58.140 Hadn't he 13:58.140 --> 13:59.060 That's 13:59.060 --> 14:00.900 Pretty hardcore there 14:00.900 --> 14:02.160 Yeah that's a drive man 14:02.160 --> 14:04.360 That is a drive 14:04.360 --> 14:06.840 But it was pretty good though 14:06.840 --> 14:07.880 It was a little bit better 14:07.880 --> 14:08.740 Than what I expected 14:08.740 --> 14:11.080 For our first meeting 14:11.080 --> 14:12.080 Yeah it was 14:12.080 --> 14:13.160 It was definitely 14:13.160 --> 14:13.940 Different people 14:13.940 --> 14:14.760 Than I was expecting 14:14.760 --> 14:15.280 And I mean that 14:15.280 --> 14:15.960 In a good way 14:15.960 --> 14:16.380 Yeah 14:16.380 --> 14:17.240 In a very good way 14:17.240 --> 14:17.840 I don't mean you know 14:17.840 --> 14:18.380 Yeah 14:18.380 --> 14:20.020 Not exactly what I was expecting 14:20.020 --> 14:20.940 But that just shows you 14:20.940 --> 14:22.340 You shouldn't have 14:22.340 --> 14:23.560 Expectations sometimes 14:23.560 --> 14:23.900 You know 14:23.900 --> 14:24.840 You should just take things 14:24.840 --> 14:25.380 As they are 14:25.380 --> 14:25.600 But 14:25.600 --> 14:27.140 I won't go into 14:27.140 --> 14:28.320 A whole philosophical thing 14:28.320 --> 14:32.520 Yeah it was 14:32.520 --> 14:34.120 Well first of all 14:34.120 --> 14:35.060 This was at a 14:35.060 --> 14:37.360 At a hotel and resort 14:37.360 --> 14:38.960 Spa and resort 14:38.960 --> 14:39.880 Whatever you want to call it 14:39.880 --> 14:41.200 And 14:41.200 --> 14:43.300 I mean if I gotta 14:43.300 --> 14:44.600 If I gotta take a little dig 14:44.600 --> 14:45.120 At the guy 14:45.120 --> 14:45.740 I'm saying this 14:45.740 --> 14:46.580 Joking a little bit 14:46.580 --> 14:47.180 But the directions 14:47.180 --> 14:48.120 Could have been a little better 14:48.120 --> 14:50.040 Because we ended up 14:50.040 --> 14:50.900 Walking around for about 14:50.900 --> 14:51.300 An hour 14:51.300 --> 14:52.100 Trying to find 14:52.100 --> 14:53.080 I won't think 14:53.080 --> 14:54.620 If we were on time 14:54.620 --> 14:55.980 Wait 14:55.980 --> 14:56.520 Hold on 14:56.520 --> 14:57.240 Whoa whoa whoa 14:57.240 --> 14:58.360 I was on time 14:58.360 --> 14:59.300 What do you mean we 14:59.300 --> 15:01.880 Well you wasn't waiting 15:01.880 --> 15:02.580 At the ATM 15:02.580 --> 15:03.860 Like the website said 15:03.860 --> 15:04.540 Well I guess 15:04.540 --> 15:05.220 That's right 15:05.220 --> 15:05.720 You're true 15:05.720 --> 15:06.580 You were standing 15:06.580 --> 15:07.220 On the street 15:07.220 --> 15:08.800 Trying to wave me down 15:08.800 --> 15:09.760 With a red hat 15:09.760 --> 15:12.960 Yeah well 15:12.960 --> 15:14.960 Okay we got in 15:14.960 --> 15:16.780 We got in about 15:16.780 --> 15:18.380 10 or 15 minutes late 15:18.380 --> 15:20.540 We got in 10 or 15 minutes late 15:20.540 --> 15:20.940 So 15:20.940 --> 15:22.960 I guess that's our fault 15:22.960 --> 15:24.760 But once we got in there 15:24.760 --> 15:26.080 We started looking around 15:26.080 --> 15:29.140 We didn't see anybody 15:29.140 --> 15:29.840 Anywhere 15:29.840 --> 15:31.440 There were some 15:31.440 --> 15:32.540 Some 15:32.540 --> 15:33.520 Not conventions 15:33.520 --> 15:34.100 What's the word 15:34.100 --> 15:34.760 Some classes 15:34.760 --> 15:35.500 Or some stuff 15:35.500 --> 15:36.240 Going on 15:36.240 --> 15:36.780 There was a wedding 15:36.780 --> 15:37.540 Going on 15:37.540 --> 15:39.560 There was all kinds of 15:39.560 --> 15:40.360 There were some events 15:40.360 --> 15:41.640 Going on in different rooms 15:41.640 --> 15:42.800 But we didn't see any of them 15:42.800 --> 15:43.480 That looked like 15:43.480 --> 15:44.560 You know 15:44.560 --> 15:45.300 A DEF CON meeting 15:45.300 --> 15:46.320 We were walking around 15:46.320 --> 15:47.040 Asking people 15:47.040 --> 15:47.980 Hey do you know anything about 15:47.980 --> 15:48.740 You know we didn't want to 15:48.740 --> 15:49.320 Come out and say 15:49.320 --> 15:49.780 You know hey 15:49.780 --> 15:50.700 We're looking for a hacker meeting 15:50.700 --> 15:51.060 And 15:51.060 --> 15:52.520 Also we didn't know 15:52.520 --> 15:53.720 If this was on the down low 15:53.720 --> 15:54.960 If we needed to keep this quiet 15:54.960 --> 15:55.600 So 15:55.600 --> 15:57.460 It's really an awkward situation 15:57.460 --> 15:58.040 To be in 15:58.040 --> 15:59.860 Trying to find out 15:59.860 --> 16:00.620 Where this was at 16:00.620 --> 16:00.880 And 16:00.880 --> 16:02.400 Luckily 16:02.400 --> 16:03.880 Just as we were about to give up 16:03.880 --> 16:05.480 We stopped and asked 16:05.480 --> 16:06.620 One last person 16:06.620 --> 16:07.860 Just as a stab in the dark 16:07.860 --> 16:08.800 Thinking maybe she'd know 16:08.800 --> 16:09.680 What was going on 16:09.680 --> 16:11.020 And sure enough 16:11.020 --> 16:12.600 She pointed us in the right direction 16:12.600 --> 16:13.300 And we found 16:13.300 --> 16:14.480 Where they were meeting at 16:14.480 --> 16:16.300 Which was off the beaten path 16:16.300 --> 16:17.320 Yeah 16:17.320 --> 16:18.760 Kind of off the side there 16:18.760 --> 16:19.160 So 16:19.160 --> 16:21.240 Once we found it 16:21.240 --> 16:22.480 Everything was good to go 16:22.480 --> 16:23.380 Yeah 16:23.380 --> 16:24.540 And we did a little 16:24.540 --> 16:25.940 Social engineering along the way 16:25.940 --> 16:26.440 Got a little 16:26.440 --> 16:28.020 Username and password 16:28.020 --> 16:29.180 To the wireless network 16:29.180 --> 16:30.080 Yeah 16:30.080 --> 16:32.080 I mean it was pretty easy 16:32.080 --> 16:32.680 Yeah 16:32.680 --> 16:33.420 That was too easy 16:33.420 --> 16:34.640 Yeah that wasn't much of a 16:34.640 --> 16:35.120 Well 16:35.120 --> 16:37.500 Well I guess he saw us 16:37.500 --> 16:38.560 Walking around in the lobby 16:38.560 --> 16:39.340 For that 16:39.340 --> 16:39.860 Like the 16:39.860 --> 16:41.140 Fifteenth time 16:41.140 --> 16:41.920 Back and forth 16:41.920 --> 16:42.580 Right 16:42.580 --> 16:43.920 So I guess he said 16:43.920 --> 16:44.640 Oh you know what 16:44.640 --> 16:45.640 I guess maybe I'll just 16:45.640 --> 16:46.580 Give these guys 16:46.580 --> 16:47.480 Some free internet 16:47.480 --> 16:48.240 For a little bit 16:48.240 --> 16:49.340 Yeah and it's all in the way 16:49.340 --> 16:50.380 You approach people too 16:50.380 --> 16:51.760 And I've said this so many times 16:51.760 --> 16:54.340 You know 75% of social engineering 16:54.340 --> 16:56.040 Is just being nice to people 16:56.040 --> 16:56.960 And talking to them 16:56.960 --> 16:57.560 That's true 16:57.560 --> 16:58.940 And you'll get so many favors 16:58.940 --> 17:00.580 And treated so kindly in return 17:00.580 --> 17:01.840 Right 17:01.840 --> 17:03.180 So he was cool enough 17:03.180 --> 17:03.960 To set us up 17:03.960 --> 17:06.820 And give us a username and password 17:06.820 --> 17:07.840 To access the network 17:07.840 --> 17:08.840 And see if we could look up 17:08.840 --> 17:10.360 See if anything had happened 17:10.360 --> 17:10.940 To the meeting 17:10.940 --> 17:13.140 And um 17:13.140 --> 17:14.540 What was that with that guy 17:14.540 --> 17:15.300 That was in there 17:15.300 --> 17:17.260 I never did figure him out 17:17.260 --> 17:17.920 Actually we were 17:17.920 --> 17:18.420 We meant to 17:18.420 --> 17:19.220 We were going to talk 17:19.220 --> 17:20.040 About him later on 17:20.040 --> 17:20.940 And I don't think 17:20.940 --> 17:21.660 We've ever gotten around 17:21.660 --> 17:22.380 To figuring out 17:22.380 --> 17:23.300 What his deal was 17:23.300 --> 17:23.800 I'm not sure 17:23.800 --> 17:24.860 I think he was actually 17:24.860 --> 17:26.280 Doing some hacking himself 17:26.280 --> 17:27.120 You know 17:27.120 --> 17:28.560 Because the way he looked around 17:28.560 --> 17:29.780 When he opened the door 17:29.780 --> 17:30.340 And then 17:30.340 --> 17:31.760 You know 17:31.760 --> 17:32.940 It's funny that we were 17:32.940 --> 17:33.720 Doing a little hacking 17:33.720 --> 17:34.320 And we were looking 17:34.320 --> 17:35.060 Over our shoulder 17:35.060 --> 17:35.960 But at the same time 17:35.960 --> 17:37.340 He was looking over his shoulder 17:37.340 --> 17:37.740 Yeah 17:37.740 --> 17:39.340 Which he was not there 17:39.340 --> 17:40.280 For the DEFCON meeting 17:40.280 --> 17:41.300 No 17:41.300 --> 17:42.260 He was just a 17:42.260 --> 17:43.620 I don't know what he was 17:43.620 --> 17:44.340 I think he was probably 17:44.340 --> 17:45.140 There for that 17:45.140 --> 17:46.020 Either the Cisco 17:46.020 --> 17:47.180 Or the 17:47.180 --> 17:49.080 Yeah there was a Cisco 17:49.080 --> 17:49.640 Training 17:49.640 --> 17:51.380 Thing going on there 17:51.380 --> 17:52.480 That weekend as well 17:52.480 --> 17:53.400 I think CCNA 17:53.400 --> 17:54.180 I believe it is 17:54.180 --> 17:54.600 Yeah 17:54.600 --> 17:55.740 So he might have been 17:55.740 --> 17:56.320 With that 17:56.320 --> 17:58.260 But you looked over 17:58.260 --> 17:58.560 And he was 17:58.560 --> 17:58.960 What was he 17:58.960 --> 17:59.800 Okay now 17:59.800 --> 18:01.140 Let's back up 18:01.140 --> 18:02.300 They have a little room 18:02.300 --> 18:02.820 Set aside 18:02.820 --> 18:04.340 As a courtesy to guests 18:04.340 --> 18:04.860 Apparently 18:04.860 --> 18:06.500 With some laptops 18:06.500 --> 18:07.680 They're tied down 18:07.680 --> 18:08.000 Of course 18:08.000 --> 18:08.700 But laptops 18:08.700 --> 18:09.960 That you can get access to 18:09.960 --> 18:10.560 If you don't have 18:10.560 --> 18:11.240 One of your own 18:11.240 --> 18:12.880 A little room 18:12.880 --> 18:13.460 With secure 18:13.460 --> 18:13.960 You have to have 18:13.960 --> 18:16.040 A room key 18:16.040 --> 18:16.420 Or whatever 18:16.420 --> 18:17.200 To get into the room 18:17.200 --> 18:17.660 Period 18:17.660 --> 18:18.780 Right 18:18.780 --> 18:19.700 Which this gentleman 18:19.700 --> 18:20.620 Again was nice enough 18:20.620 --> 18:21.080 To give us 18:21.080 --> 18:21.820 The person working 18:21.820 --> 18:22.380 It was nice enough 18:22.380 --> 18:22.980 To give us that 18:22.980 --> 18:23.840 As well as a username 18:23.840 --> 18:24.380 To get on 18:24.380 --> 18:27.400 And we went in there 18:27.400 --> 18:28.880 And were surprised 18:28.880 --> 18:29.960 That there was another person 18:29.960 --> 18:30.760 In there using the computer 18:30.760 --> 18:31.120 Did they have what 18:31.120 --> 18:32.280 Three or four laptops 18:32.280 --> 18:32.640 In there 18:32.640 --> 18:33.420 Actually 18:33.420 --> 18:34.700 I think it was two 18:34.700 --> 18:35.240 One 18:35.240 --> 18:36.640 The one you were using 18:36.640 --> 18:37.960 And the one to the right of you 18:37.960 --> 18:39.540 I think he brought his own 18:39.540 --> 18:40.620 Oh 18:40.620 --> 18:41.260 Because he had a little 18:41.260 --> 18:42.240 Bright bag there 18:42.240 --> 18:43.780 Oh is that what I saw 18:43.780 --> 18:44.180 Okay 18:44.180 --> 18:44.540 Yeah 18:44.540 --> 18:45.140 Plus 18:45.140 --> 18:47.580 I think he was running XP 18:47.580 --> 18:48.860 And those two laptops 18:48.860 --> 18:49.540 Must have been 18:49.540 --> 18:52.220 Either 98 or 2000 maybe 18:52.220 --> 18:53.020 Hmm 18:53.020 --> 18:53.300 Yeah 18:53.300 --> 18:53.820 I couldn't 18:53.820 --> 18:54.680 I don't recall 18:54.680 --> 18:55.440 But I don't think 18:55.440 --> 18:56.540 It was an XP machine 18:56.540 --> 18:56.860 No 18:56.860 --> 18:57.940 I think the one 18:57.940 --> 18:58.520 That I was using 18:58.520 --> 19:00.240 Was a 2000 box 19:00.240 --> 19:01.900 So 19:01.900 --> 19:02.360 Yeah 19:02.360 --> 19:03.240 He definitely had 19:03.240 --> 19:04.500 His own laptop 19:04.500 --> 19:05.460 He was doing some 19:05.460 --> 19:06.400 Fantasy Nancy stuff 19:06.400 --> 19:07.200 Over there himself 19:07.200 --> 19:07.600 Yeah 19:07.600 --> 19:08.400 You said you looked over 19:08.400 --> 19:09.080 And what was he doing 19:09.080 --> 19:09.620 Trace routes 19:09.620 --> 19:10.500 I peeked over his shoulder 19:10.500 --> 19:11.480 And he was doing 19:11.480 --> 19:12.460 Some trace routes 19:12.460 --> 19:13.040 And he was doing 19:13.040 --> 19:14.940 Some IP configs 19:14.940 --> 19:15.160 So 19:15.160 --> 19:15.760 You know 19:15.760 --> 19:16.360 I'm not sure 19:16.360 --> 19:17.040 I guess he was trying 19:17.040 --> 19:17.980 To map out a network 19:17.980 --> 19:18.420 Himself 19:18.420 --> 19:19.020 I don't know 19:19.020 --> 19:19.240 Yeah 19:19.240 --> 19:20.380 But why would he be 19:20.380 --> 19:21.080 Doing that on the 19:21.080 --> 19:22.340 Hotels network 19:22.340 --> 19:23.080 Unless he was 19:23.080 --> 19:23.700 Well 19:23.700 --> 19:24.680 I have no idea 19:24.680 --> 19:24.980 Yeah 19:24.980 --> 19:26.300 Anyway 19:26.300 --> 19:27.760 That was interesting 19:27.760 --> 19:27.860 And he was transferring 19:27.860 --> 19:29.300 Some files or something 19:29.300 --> 19:30.320 I saw he was doing 19:30.320 --> 19:31.660 Or installing some 19:31.660 --> 19:32.600 Other kind of stuff 19:32.600 --> 19:32.880 And 19:32.880 --> 19:34.180 You know 19:34.180 --> 19:34.940 He stood up 19:34.940 --> 19:35.740 At one point 19:35.740 --> 19:36.420 You know 19:36.420 --> 19:37.040 I'm not sure 19:37.040 --> 19:37.520 If he was trying 19:37.520 --> 19:38.520 To block the screen 19:38.520 --> 19:38.900 Or 19:38.900 --> 19:40.260 I don't know 19:40.260 --> 19:40.740 Yeah 19:40.740 --> 19:41.080 Right 19:41.080 --> 19:42.240 But he was 19:42.240 --> 19:43.200 Looking over his shoulder 19:43.200 --> 19:43.740 As well 19:43.740 --> 19:44.880 Yeah 19:44.880 --> 19:45.160 And 19:45.160 --> 19:45.700 Was that shirt 19:45.700 --> 19:46.280 He had on 19:46.280 --> 19:47.280 It was some kind 19:47.280 --> 19:47.880 Of security 19:47.880 --> 19:48.840 Shirt 19:48.840 --> 19:49.560 But I don't know 19:49.560 --> 19:50.280 If it was a physical 19:50.280 --> 19:51.200 Security thing 19:51.200 --> 19:52.140 Or a computer 19:52.140 --> 19:52.980 Security shirt 19:52.980 --> 19:54.100 I didn't quite catch it 19:54.100 --> 19:54.560 Oh 19:54.560 --> 19:55.880 Because he was 19:55.880 --> 19:56.000 Because he was a 19:56.000 --> 19:56.720 Pretty big guy 19:56.720 --> 19:57.220 So I didn't know 19:57.220 --> 19:57.880 If it was a physical 19:57.880 --> 19:58.820 Security bouncer 19:58.820 --> 19:59.540 Type shirt 19:59.540 --> 20:02.740 But yeah 20:02.740 --> 20:03.660 Because he was in there 20:03.660 --> 20:04.180 I was 20:04.180 --> 20:04.960 Kind of 20:04.960 --> 20:05.880 Having to block 20:05.880 --> 20:06.720 A little bit myself 20:06.720 --> 20:07.940 And look over my shoulder 20:07.940 --> 20:08.620 So I was limited 20:08.620 --> 20:09.860 In how much playing 20:09.860 --> 20:10.600 I could do 20:10.600 --> 20:11.440 Plus 20:11.440 --> 20:12.320 You know 20:12.320 --> 20:12.660 You and I 20:12.660 --> 20:13.300 Kind of said it too 20:13.300 --> 20:13.820 We didn't want to 20:13.820 --> 20:14.640 Push our luck too much 20:14.640 --> 20:15.320 The guy was actually 20:15.320 --> 20:15.840 Pretty nice 20:15.840 --> 20:16.360 To give us 20:16.360 --> 20:17.160 Access to the computer 20:17.160 --> 20:17.880 We definitely 20:17.880 --> 20:18.300 Weren't going to 20:18.300 --> 20:18.620 Go in there 20:18.620 --> 20:19.540 And stir up anything 20:19.540 --> 20:20.780 But yeah 20:20.780 --> 20:21.340 We were just going 20:21.340 --> 20:22.180 To check it out 20:22.180 --> 20:22.620 And see what 20:22.620 --> 20:23.680 Kind of system it was 20:23.680 --> 20:24.160 And you know 20:24.160 --> 20:25.400 How it was set up 20:25.400 --> 20:25.740 Which there's 20:25.740 --> 20:26.640 Nothing wrong with that 20:26.640 --> 20:29.060 Some of the funny stuff 20:29.060 --> 20:29.320 Was 20:29.320 --> 20:30.120 And you know what 20:30.120 --> 20:30.560 I'm going to give 20:30.560 --> 20:31.400 A little bit of advice 20:31.400 --> 20:32.160 Out to our listeners 20:32.160 --> 20:33.200 Most of them 20:33.200 --> 20:33.900 Already know this 20:33.900 --> 20:34.520 But for those of you 20:34.520 --> 20:35.580 Who never thought about it 20:35.580 --> 20:36.260 Or considered it 20:36.260 --> 20:37.880 When you go to sites 20:37.880 --> 20:39.240 Like for example 20:39.240 --> 20:39.820 Hotmail 20:39.820 --> 20:41.600 Or Amazon 20:41.600 --> 20:46.340 There's a little button 20:46.340 --> 20:47.420 And I'll stick with 20:47.420 --> 20:47.740 Hotmail 20:47.740 --> 20:48.600 Because it's a good example 20:48.600 --> 20:49.080 On Hotmail 20:49.080 --> 20:49.800 There's a little button 20:49.800 --> 20:50.160 Down there 20:50.160 --> 20:51.240 A little check box 20:51.240 --> 20:52.540 That says 20:52.540 --> 20:55.180 Do not save my information 20:55.180 --> 20:58.100 Is this a publicly used computer 20:58.100 --> 21:00.480 And anytime you're in 21:00.480 --> 21:01.660 A publicly used computer 21:01.660 --> 21:02.420 In a library 21:02.420 --> 21:03.320 A coffee shop 21:03.320 --> 21:04.460 Anything like that 21:04.460 --> 21:06.160 Check that box 21:06.160 --> 21:07.600 Because that prevents it 21:07.600 --> 21:09.620 From saving any information 21:09.620 --> 21:11.220 Any cookie 21:11.220 --> 21:12.280 Or anything like that 21:12.280 --> 21:12.880 From the site 21:12.880 --> 21:13.940 Because if you go back 21:13.940 --> 21:14.460 To Hotmail 21:14.460 --> 21:15.400 Without doing that 21:15.400 --> 21:16.380 It will fill in 21:16.380 --> 21:18.640 Your account name 21:18.640 --> 21:19.500 Or your email address 21:19.500 --> 21:20.160 That you log in 21:20.160 --> 21:21.000 It won't fill in 21:21.000 --> 21:21.480 Your password 21:21.480 --> 21:22.020 Of course 21:22.020 --> 21:23.700 Unless you also 21:23.700 --> 21:24.160 Set it up 21:24.160 --> 21:25.020 To save that as well 21:25.020 --> 21:25.680 Which you can 21:25.680 --> 21:26.820 So hopefully 21:26.820 --> 21:27.380 You don't do anything 21:27.380 --> 21:27.860 Like that 21:27.860 --> 21:28.360 But also 21:28.360 --> 21:29.460 You don't want to give 21:29.460 --> 21:30.580 Somebody just the username 21:30.580 --> 21:31.140 Alone 21:31.140 --> 21:31.960 Right 21:31.960 --> 21:33.480 When I got on that computer 21:33.480 --> 21:34.360 And went to check 21:34.360 --> 21:35.080 And see if I had gotten 21:35.080 --> 21:35.700 An email 21:35.700 --> 21:38.300 That there was something 21:38.300 --> 21:39.220 Changed about the meeting 21:39.220 --> 21:40.160 Is the reason I was checking 21:40.160 --> 21:41.340 When I went to check 21:41.340 --> 21:41.900 My email 21:41.900 --> 21:43.440 Well the person before me 21:43.440 --> 21:44.120 Their username 21:44.120 --> 21:44.820 Came up 21:44.820 --> 21:46.320 So 21:46.320 --> 21:47.420 A 21:47.420 --> 21:48.360 The potential is there 21:48.360 --> 21:49.020 You know the username 21:49.020 --> 21:50.280 You can brute force passwords 21:50.280 --> 21:51.520 If you really wanted to 21:51.520 --> 21:52.660 For whatever reason 21:52.660 --> 21:53.700 Which I had no reason to 21:53.700 --> 21:53.960 But 21:53.960 --> 21:54.840 You know 21:54.840 --> 21:56.000 You can have it brute forced 21:56.000 --> 21:56.800 B 21:56.800 --> 21:59.940 Since his email address 21:59.940 --> 22:00.340 It's a 22:00.340 --> 22:01.220 It's a 22:01.220 --> 22:02.120 Hotmail account 22:02.120 --> 22:02.880 You know he has 22:02.880 --> 22:04.040 An MSN messenger account 22:04.040 --> 22:04.860 Of the same thing 22:04.860 --> 22:06.500 I could contact him 22:06.500 --> 22:07.320 Instant message him 22:07.320 --> 22:07.760 Harass 22:07.760 --> 22:08.720 Whatever you wanted to do 22:08.720 --> 22:09.560 That's dangerous 22:09.560 --> 22:10.680 So you don't want to 22:10.680 --> 22:11.560 Leave your information 22:11.560 --> 22:12.340 Out in the public terminal 22:12.340 --> 22:13.380 For that reason 22:13.380 --> 22:15.220 And 22:15.220 --> 22:18.980 That may be 22:18.980 --> 22:19.840 The same username 22:19.840 --> 22:20.820 You use for a lot of 22:20.820 --> 22:21.320 Other sites 22:21.320 --> 22:22.140 And stuff like that 22:22.140 --> 22:23.380 So just leaving something 22:23.380 --> 22:25.240 Like that open 22:25.240 --> 22:26.420 Is definitely not 22:26.420 --> 22:27.120 A good idea 22:27.120 --> 22:28.820 Definitely a bad idea 22:28.820 --> 22:30.240 And the reason I say 22:30.240 --> 22:31.040 Amazon as well 22:31.040 --> 22:32.380 Because the same person 22:32.380 --> 22:33.940 I showed it to you 22:33.940 --> 22:34.400 And we laughed 22:34.400 --> 22:34.780 But I don't know 22:34.780 --> 22:35.140 If you realize 22:35.140 --> 22:35.960 That was the exact 22:35.960 --> 22:36.800 Same username 22:36.800 --> 22:38.060 On Amazon 22:38.060 --> 22:38.960 As it was on Hotmail 22:38.960 --> 22:39.680 Now he used the same 22:39.680 --> 22:40.140 Username 22:40.140 --> 22:41.120 And right there 22:41.120 --> 22:41.500 On Amazon 22:41.500 --> 22:42.120 I could see 22:42.120 --> 22:42.660 What was in his 22:42.660 --> 22:43.300 Shopping cart 22:43.300 --> 22:44.040 I could see 22:44.040 --> 22:44.900 The items he had 22:44.900 --> 22:45.340 In there 22:45.340 --> 22:46.980 Very 22:46.980 --> 22:47.980 Very dangerous 22:47.980 --> 22:48.760 Someone malicious 22:48.760 --> 22:49.660 Could do bad 22:49.660 --> 22:50.420 Things with that 22:50.420 --> 22:51.380 But also 22:51.380 --> 22:52.720 Even the initial 22:52.720 --> 22:53.680 Login screen 22:53.680 --> 22:56.620 Dropped down 22:56.620 --> 22:57.920 What 22:57.920 --> 22:59.300 If I'm not mistaken 22:59.300 --> 23:00.300 It dropped down 23:00.300 --> 23:01.080 The username 23:01.080 --> 23:02.600 Which was Smith 23:02.600 --> 23:03.200 Oh yeah 23:03.200 --> 23:03.560 Right 23:03.560 --> 23:03.940 Right 23:03.940 --> 23:04.260 Yeah 23:04.260 --> 23:05.500 Even the passcode 23:05.500 --> 23:06.560 They have a whole 23:06.560 --> 23:07.520 Crap load of 23:07.520 --> 23:08.060 A list 23:08.060 --> 23:09.480 Of all the 23:09.480 --> 23:10.800 The passcodes 23:10.800 --> 23:11.300 And I'm like 23:11.300 --> 23:11.600 Well 23:11.600 --> 23:12.180 Well that 23:12.180 --> 23:12.900 Okay now that 23:12.900 --> 23:13.960 Yeah what you're 23:13.960 --> 23:14.880 Referring to there 23:14.880 --> 23:16.200 Just because the 23:16.200 --> 23:17.280 Listeners probably don't 23:17.280 --> 23:18.660 Let's explain 23:18.660 --> 23:19.320 This was 23:19.320 --> 23:21.100 Just like 23:21.100 --> 23:21.860 For example 23:21.860 --> 23:23.060 A T-Mobile hotspot 23:23.060 --> 23:23.720 Or any of those 23:23.720 --> 23:24.860 Pay for use 23:24.860 --> 23:26.400 Applications 23:26.400 --> 23:27.180 Or pay for use 23:27.180 --> 23:27.580 Sites 23:27.580 --> 23:28.700 Where you have to 23:28.700 --> 23:29.380 Authenticate 23:29.380 --> 23:29.960 They want you to 23:29.960 --> 23:30.940 Pay for your time 23:30.940 --> 23:31.480 Or for how many 23:31.480 --> 23:32.160 Hours you want to 23:32.160 --> 23:32.880 Use or charge you 23:32.880 --> 23:33.380 By minute or 23:33.380 --> 23:33.660 Whatever 23:33.660 --> 23:34.840 They present you 23:34.840 --> 23:35.920 With a web page 23:35.920 --> 23:36.420 That you have to 23:36.420 --> 23:37.100 Log into and 23:37.100 --> 23:38.100 Authenticate to get 23:38.100 --> 23:39.440 Out of the local 23:39.440 --> 23:40.260 Network and get to 23:40.260 --> 23:40.680 The internet 23:40.680 --> 23:42.020 And that's what 23:42.020 --> 23:42.880 This particular one 23:42.880 --> 23:43.040 Was 23:43.040 --> 23:43.420 Do you remember 23:43.420 --> 23:44.140 What the brand 23:44.140 --> 23:45.260 Or who was 23:45.260 --> 23:45.780 Offering it 23:45.780 --> 23:46.520 Was it Sprint 23:46.520 --> 23:47.620 Yeah it was 23:47.620 --> 23:48.840 Definitely a 23:48.840 --> 23:49.520 Sprint connection 23:49.520 --> 23:50.000 Yeah it was a 23:50.000 --> 23:51.160 Sprint of some sort 23:51.160 --> 23:53.740 And you 23:53.740 --> 23:54.700 I guess you could 23:54.700 --> 23:55.460 Go to the hotel 23:55.460 --> 23:56.260 And pay for it 23:56.260 --> 23:56.500 Or you could 23:56.500 --> 23:57.080 Probably add it 23:57.080 --> 23:57.740 On to the tab 23:57.740 --> 23:58.460 For your room 23:58.460 --> 23:58.920 Or something 23:58.920 --> 24:00.660 Which adds a lot 24:00.660 --> 24:01.540 Of possibilities 24:01.540 --> 24:02.120 There especially 24:02.120 --> 24:02.460 If you know 24:02.460 --> 24:03.120 Someone's username 24:03.120 --> 24:03.640 That they left 24:03.640 --> 24:03.960 Into their 24:03.960 --> 24:04.460 Hotmail account 24:04.460 --> 24:04.900 But we won't 24:04.900 --> 24:05.280 Go there 24:05.280 --> 24:08.080 But 24:08.080 --> 24:08.920 What was your 24:08.920 --> 24:09.660 Room by the way 24:09.660 --> 24:10.640 Yeah 24:10.640 --> 24:14.700 What the person 24:14.700 --> 24:15.600 Had done for us 24:15.600 --> 24:16.500 To be nice for us 24:16.500 --> 24:17.060 Was he set up 24:17.060 --> 24:17.660 An account called 24:17.660 --> 24:18.060 Smith 24:18.060 --> 24:19.360 And he gave us 24:19.360 --> 24:20.020 A passcode 24:20.020 --> 24:21.340 Well when I was 24:21.340 --> 24:22.180 Typing in Smith 24:22.180 --> 24:22.720 The first 24:22.720 --> 24:23.620 There were basically 24:23.620 --> 24:24.660 Two input fields 24:24.660 --> 24:26.140 When I typed in 24:26.140 --> 24:26.660 And they were both 24:26.660 --> 24:27.420 Plain text 24:27.420 --> 24:29.100 So when I typed 24:29.100 --> 24:29.620 In the first 24:29.620 --> 24:30.100 S 24:30.100 --> 24:30.780 I noticed 24:30.780 --> 24:31.160 That it 24:31.160 --> 24:31.920 Immediately dropped 24:31.920 --> 24:32.140 Down 24:32.140 --> 24:32.520 And this is 24:32.520 --> 24:32.900 An internet 24:32.900 --> 24:33.840 Explorer thing 24:33.840 --> 24:35.140 It'll save 24:35.140 --> 24:35.700 Entries 24:35.700 --> 24:36.160 It'll do that 24:36.160 --> 24:36.880 Auto complete 24:36.880 --> 24:38.700 So that's turned 24:38.700 --> 24:39.480 On or it was 24:39.480 --> 24:39.980 Turned on on 24:39.980 --> 24:40.400 This machine 24:40.400 --> 24:40.840 That's something 24:40.840 --> 24:41.260 Else you want 24:41.260 --> 24:41.820 To turn off 24:41.820 --> 24:42.580 Or clear out 24:42.580 --> 24:43.100 When you're done 24:43.100 --> 24:44.840 Auto complete 24:44.840 --> 24:45.220 Came up 24:45.220 --> 24:45.760 So when I put 24:45.760 --> 24:46.280 In an S 24:46.280 --> 24:46.960 It immediately 24:46.960 --> 24:47.520 Popped up 24:47.520 --> 24:48.100 With Smith 24:48.100 --> 24:49.520 So someone 24:49.520 --> 24:50.140 Had done this 24:50.140 --> 24:50.580 Before 24:50.580 --> 24:51.040 Someone had 24:51.040 --> 24:51.400 Gotten on 24:51.400 --> 24:51.660 With this 24:51.660 --> 24:52.120 Free account 24:52.120 --> 24:52.560 Before 24:52.560 --> 24:54.280 So I backed 24:54.280 --> 24:54.620 Up 24:54.620 --> 24:55.460 And you can 24:55.460 --> 24:56.000 Just click 24:56.000 --> 24:56.260 In it 24:56.260 --> 24:56.680 With no 24:56.680 --> 24:57.080 Letters 24:57.080 --> 24:57.460 And it'll 24:57.460 --> 24:57.700 Bring a 24:57.700 --> 24:58.120 Drop down 24:58.120 --> 24:58.480 List of 24:58.480 --> 24:59.080 All of the 24:59.080 --> 24:59.580 Usernames 24:59.580 --> 24:59.940 Of people 24:59.940 --> 25:00.360 Who've logged 25:00.360 --> 25:00.940 In before 25:00.940 --> 25:03.060 So again 25:03.060 --> 25:03.480 You can see 25:03.480 --> 25:03.940 The potential 25:03.940 --> 25:04.420 With that 25:04.420 --> 25:05.220 Is same 25:05.220 --> 25:05.480 As we 25:05.480 --> 25:05.720 Mentioned 25:05.720 --> 25:06.160 Before 25:06.160 --> 25:06.820 But not 25:06.820 --> 25:07.380 Only that 25:07.380 --> 25:07.940 When I 25:07.940 --> 25:08.680 Tab down 25:08.680 --> 25:08.940 And went 25:08.940 --> 25:09.300 To the 25:09.300 --> 25:10.100 Pass key 25:10.100 --> 25:11.060 Which is a 25:11.060 --> 25:11.540 Four digit 25:11.540 --> 25:12.340 Numeric 25:12.340 --> 25:12.680 Number 25:12.680 --> 25:13.680 Numeric 25:13.680 --> 25:13.940 Number 25:13.940 --> 25:14.400 That's pretty 25:14.400 --> 25:14.920 Redundant 25:14.920 --> 25:15.500 It was a 25:15.500 --> 25:15.900 Four digit 25:15.900 --> 25:16.300 Number 25:16.300 --> 25:17.880 And that 25:17.880 --> 25:18.340 Also 25:18.340 --> 25:18.760 When you 25:18.760 --> 25:19.200 Press down 25:19.200 --> 25:19.460 You could 25:19.460 --> 25:20.100 See all 25:20.100 --> 25:20.340 Of the 25:20.340 --> 25:20.660 Numbers 25:20.660 --> 25:20.880 And the 25:20.880 --> 25:21.340 Passcodes 25:21.340 --> 25:21.680 And what 25:21.680 --> 25:22.000 Did we 25:22.000 --> 25:22.340 Did we 25:22.340 --> 25:22.760 Determine 25:22.760 --> 25:23.100 That that 25:23.100 --> 25:24.460 Was a 25:24.460 --> 25:24.660 Room 25:24.660 --> 25:24.940 Number 25:24.940 --> 25:25.400 Or no 25:25.400 --> 25:26.020 Well 25:26.020 --> 25:28.060 I don't 25:28.060 --> 25:28.500 Think it's 25:28.500 --> 25:28.880 A room 25:28.880 --> 25:29.140 Number 25:29.140 --> 25:29.540 Because 25:29.540 --> 25:30.640 I think 25:30.640 --> 25:31.600 Well 25:31.600 --> 25:33.340 I don't 25:33.340 --> 25:33.760 Think it was 25:33.760 --> 25:34.120 Really a 25:34.120 --> 25:34.300 Room 25:34.300 --> 25:34.640 Number 25:34.640 --> 25:35.260 Because it 25:35.260 --> 25:35.420 Was a 25:35.420 --> 25:35.820 Four digit 25:35.820 --> 25:36.140 Number 25:36.140 --> 25:36.500 But I 25:36.500 --> 25:36.940 Think the 25:36.940 --> 25:37.660 The actual 25:37.660 --> 25:38.520 Rooms 25:38.520 --> 25:38.840 Were 25:38.840 --> 25:40.360 Three 25:40.360 --> 25:40.840 Digits 25:40.840 --> 25:42.420 From what 25:42.420 --> 25:42.720 I can 25:42.720 --> 25:43.100 Tell 25:43.100 --> 25:43.820 Three 25:43.820 --> 25:44.340 Digits 25:44.340 --> 25:44.800 And a 25:44.800 --> 25:45.080 Number 25:45.080 --> 25:45.520 And a 25:45.520 --> 25:46.020 Letter 25:46.020 --> 25:46.560 Yeah but 25:46.560 --> 25:47.320 For example 25:47.320 --> 25:48.300 Building 25:48.300 --> 25:48.640 Eight 25:48.640 --> 25:48.940 Room 25:48.940 --> 25:49.600 113 25:49.600 --> 25:50.000 That's 25:50.000 --> 25:50.580 Four digits 25:50.580 --> 25:53.520 Uh no 25:53.520 --> 25:54.960 Well 25:54.960 --> 25:56.600 Yeah well 25:56.600 --> 25:57.840 Yeah we 25:57.840 --> 25:58.280 Don't know 25:58.280 --> 25:58.480 But 25:58.480 --> 25:58.740 One 25:58.740 --> 25:59.400 Alpha 25:59.400 --> 26:00.860 Numerically 26:00.860 --> 26:01.880 Like a 26:01.880 --> 26:02.180 Building 26:02.180 --> 26:02.860 Say like 26:02.860 --> 26:03.160 Building 26:03.160 --> 26:03.480 Eight 26:03.480 --> 26:04.040 Right 26:04.040 --> 26:05.380 Um 26:05.380 --> 26:06.400 And then they 26:06.400 --> 26:06.980 Would have 26:06.980 --> 26:07.540 Actually 26:07.540 --> 26:08.480 The room 26:08.480 --> 26:09.040 Number which 26:09.040 --> 26:09.400 Was 26:09.400 --> 26:10.680 I recall 26:10.680 --> 26:11.160 Three 26:11.160 --> 26:11.920 Three 26:11.920 --> 26:13.180 Digit 26:13.180 --> 26:13.540 Number 26:13.540 --> 26:14.140 And then 26:14.140 --> 26:14.460 An 26:14.460 --> 26:14.700 Alpha 26:14.700 --> 26:15.180 Numeric 26:15.180 --> 26:15.520 Number 26:15.520 --> 26:16.760 I'm 26:16.760 --> 26:16.780 I'm 26:16.780 --> 26:16.980 Not 26:16.980 --> 26:17.300 Sure 26:17.300 --> 26:17.880 How 26:17.880 --> 26:18.080 They 26:18.080 --> 26:18.340 Came 26:18.340 --> 26:18.460 Up 26:18.460 --> 26:18.600 With 26:18.600 --> 26:18.780 Alpha 26:18.780 --> 26:19.260 Numeric 26:19.260 --> 26:19.640 After 26:19.640 --> 26:19.880 The 26:19.880 --> 26:20.160 Three 26:20.160 --> 26:20.680 But 26:20.680 --> 26:21.040 That 26:21.040 --> 26:21.220 Might 26:21.220 --> 26:21.300 Have 26:21.300 --> 26:21.400 Been 26:21.400 --> 26:21.860 A special 26:21.860 --> 26:22.400 For the 26:22.400 --> 26:22.840 Swede 26:22.840 --> 26:22.980 Or 26:22.980 --> 26:23.380 Anyway 26:23.380 --> 26:25.160 Point 26:25.160 --> 26:25.560 Being 26:25.560 --> 26:26.160 The potential 26:26.160 --> 26:26.560 Is that 26:26.560 --> 26:26.760 It could 26:26.760 --> 26:26.860 Have 26:26.860 --> 26:27.020 Been 26:27.020 --> 26:27.320 That 26:27.320 --> 26:27.960 We 26:27.960 --> 26:28.120 Don't 26:28.120 --> 26:28.240 Know 26:28.240 --> 26:28.360 If 26:28.360 --> 26:28.440 It 26:28.440 --> 26:28.600 Was 26:28.600 --> 26:28.700 Or 26:28.700 --> 26:28.920 Not 26:28.920 --> 26:29.080 But 26:29.080 --> 26:29.460 Again 26:29.460 --> 26:30.220 Plain 26:30.220 --> 26:30.540 Text 26:30.540 --> 26:30.780 Right 26:30.780 --> 26:30.960 There 26:30.960 --> 26:31.100 That 26:31.100 --> 26:31.160 You 26:31.160 --> 26:31.280 Can 26:31.280 --> 26:31.480 Drop 26:31.480 --> 26:31.700 Down 26:31.700 --> 26:31.840 And 26:31.840 --> 26:32.120 See 26:32.120 --> 26:32.940 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26:39.180 Figure 26:39.180 --> 26:39.360 Out 26:39.360 --> 26:39.500 The 26:39.500 --> 26:40.460 Pattern 26:40.460 --> 26:40.800 That 26:40.800 --> 26:40.980 Goes 26:40.980 --> 26:41.220 Along 26:41.220 --> 26:41.380 With 26:41.380 --> 26:41.460 It 26:41.460 --> 26:41.880 However 26:41.880 --> 26:43.580 As bad 26:43.580 --> 26:43.940 As that 26:43.940 --> 26:44.320 Sounds 26:44.320 --> 26:44.520 I 26:44.520 --> 26:44.740 Do 26:44.740 --> 26:45.460 Suspect 26:45.460 --> 26:46.220 That 26:46.220 --> 26:46.400 They 26:46.400 --> 26:46.620 Have 26:46.620 --> 26:46.740 To 26:46.740 --> 26:47.300 Activate 26:47.300 --> 26:47.520 That 26:47.520 --> 26:47.780 Back 26:47.780 --> 26:47.920 At 26:47.920 --> 26:48.020 The 26:48.020 --> 26:48.300 Desk 26:48.300 --> 26:48.700 Somehow 26:48.700 --> 26:49.720 So 26:49.720 --> 26:49.960 Even 26:49.960 --> 26:50.080 If 26:50.080 --> 26:50.180 We 26:50.180 --> 26:50.400 Found 26:50.400 --> 26:50.520 The 26:50.520 --> 26:50.960 I 26:50.960 --> 26:51.080 Don't 27:02.120 --> 27:02.240 Came 27:02.240 --> 27:02.600 Back 27:02.600 --> 27:04.400 So 27:04.400 --> 27:05.140 Well 27:05.140 --> 27:05.300 We 27:05.300 --> 27:05.440 Might 27:05.440 --> 27:05.560 Be 27:05.560 --> 27:05.700 Able 27:05.700 --> 27:05.760 To 27:05.760 --> 27:05.940 Find 27:05.940 --> 27:06.060 Out 27:06.060 --> 27:06.300 Next 27:06.300 --> 27:06.540 Month 27:06.540 --> 27:06.820 Maybe 27:06.820 --> 27:07.200 Yeah 27:07.200 --> 27:07.500 We 27:07.500 --> 27:07.680 Might 27:07.680 --> 27:08.320 Just 27:08.320 --> 27:08.500 Do 27:08.500 --> 27:08.760 That 27:08.760 --> 27:10.160 So 27:10.160 --> 27:10.800 Anyway 27:10.800 --> 27:11.400 Yep 27:11.400 --> 27:11.740 We 27:11.740 --> 27:11.920 Did 27:11.920 --> 27:12.280 That 27:12.280 --> 27:13.040 We 27:13.040 --> 27:13.760 Visited 27:13.760 --> 27:14.000 The 27:14.000 --> 27:14.260 Wedding 27:14.260 --> 27:14.640 Party 27:14.640 --> 27:16.180 Yeah 27:16.180 --> 27:16.560 We 27:16.560 --> 27:17.580 Well 27:17.580 --> 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27:30.080 --> 27:30.160 To 27:30.160 --> 27:30.340 Call 27:30.340 --> 27:30.440 It 27:32.120 --> 27:32.600 Checking 27:32.600 --> 27:32.840 Looking 27:32.840 --> 27:33.040 For 27:33.040 --> 27:33.180 The 27:33.180 --> 27:33.440 Meeting 27:33.440 --> 27:33.720 And 27:33.720 --> 27:34.800 Checking 27:34.800 --> 27:34.940 Out 27:34.940 --> 27:35.060 The 27:35.060 --> 27:35.300 Wedding 27:35.300 --> 27:35.660 Party 27:35.660 --> 27:35.880 And 27:35.880 --> 27:36.200 Checking 27:36.200 --> 27:36.400 Out 27:36.400 --> 27:36.620 The 27:36.620 --> 27:36.820 Other 27:36.820 --> 27:37.120 Events 27:37.120 --> 27:37.400 Going 27:37.400 --> 27:37.760 On 27:37.760 --> 27:40.320 And 27:40.320 --> 27:42.240 Eventually 27:42.240 --> 27:42.500 Like 27:42.500 --> 27:42.600 We 27:42.600 --> 27:42.740 Said 27:42.740 --> 27:42.860 We 27:42.860 --> 27:43.100 Found 27:43.100 --> 27:43.240 The 27:43.240 --> 27:43.440 Meeting 27:43.440 --> 27:43.800 So 27:43.800 --> 27:45.360 Now 27:45.360 --> 27:45.720 You 27:45.720 --> 27:46.080 Going 27:46.080 --> 27:46.300 Into 27:46.300 --> 27:46.500 This 27:46.500 --> 27:46.840 Meeting 27:46.840 --> 27:48.060 You 27:48.060 --> 27:48.240 Had 27:48.240 --> 27:48.500 Actually 27:48.500 --> 27:48.760 Just 27:48.760 --> 27:49.000 Come 27:49.000 --> 27:49.380 Earlier 27:49.380 --> 27:50.020 Earlier 27:50.020 --> 27:50.220 That 27:50.220 --> 27:50.420 Day 27:50.420 --> 27:50.560 You 27:50.560 --> 27:50.700 Had 27:50.700 --> 27:50.920 Just 27:50.920 --> 27:51.200 Come 27:51.200 --> 27:51.720 From 27:51.720 --> 27:51.920 A 27:51.920 --> 27:52.220 Computer 27:52.220 --> 27:52.560 Show 27:52.560 --> 27:52.980 Am 27:52.980 --> 27:53.120 I 27:53.120 --> 27:53.460 Correct 27:53.460 --> 27:53.980 Right 27:53.980 --> 27:54.420 Yeah 27:54.420 --> 27:55.780 We 27:55.780 --> 27:55.980 In 27:55.980 --> 27:56.180 Fort 27:56.180 --> 27:56.720 Lyle 27:56.720 --> 27:59.340 Yeah 27:59.340 --> 27:59.440 At 27:59.440 --> 27:59.780 A 27:59.780 --> 28:00.540 Computer 28:00.540 --> 28:00.840 Show 28:00.840 --> 28:01.040 That 28:01.040 --> 28:01.180 They 28:01.180 --> 28:01.320 Have 28:01.320 --> 28:01.520 Pretty 28:01.520 --> 28:02.000 Once 28:02.000 --> 28:02.180 A 28:02.180 --> 28:02.440 Month 28:02.440 --> 28:02.680 And 28:02.680 --> 28:03.220 You 28:03.220 --> 28:03.400 Had 28:03.400 --> 28:03.520 A 28:03.520 --> 28:04.100 Specific 28:04.100 --> 28:04.880 Purchase 28:04.880 --> 28:05.040 In 28:05.040 --> 28:05.400 Mind 28:05.400 --> 28:06.040 Yeah 28:06.040 --> 28:06.440 I 28:06.440 --> 28:06.620 Was 28:06.620 --> 28:07.060 Actually 28:07.060 --> 28:07.380 Going 28:07.380 --> 28:07.540 To 28:07.540 --> 28:07.680 Try 28:07.680 --> 28:07.820 To 28:07.820 --> 28:08.000 Get 28:08.000 --> 28:08.200 A 28:08.200 --> 28:09.620 Another 28:09.620 --> 28:10.340 Laptop 28:10.340 --> 28:11.660 Preferably 28:11.660 --> 28:12.600 I 28:12.600 --> 28:12.920 Think 28:12.920 --> 28:13.280 That 28:13.280 --> 28:14.500 I 28:14.500 --> 28:14.560 Don't 28:22.440 --> 28:25.380 They 28:25.380 --> 28:27.860 Want 28:27.860 --> 28:32.020 Um, even though eBay is a little bit cheaper and you can probably find a little bit better 28:32.020 --> 28:32.400 deal. 28:32.520 --> 28:39.500 And yes, they have, you know, the actual stores, um, actually put their product up, but still 28:39.500 --> 28:42.400 I like to put my hands on it. 28:42.400 --> 28:43.320 I like to see it. 28:43.900 --> 28:47.040 Um, but other than that, I actually did purchase one. 28:47.660 --> 28:50.200 Um, I think I got a pretty good deal. 28:50.320 --> 28:53.080 I could have got a better deal, but pretty good. 28:53.300 --> 28:56.480 You don't have to talk about the financial part, but what are the specs of the machine 28:56.480 --> 28:56.860 you bought? 28:56.860 --> 29:05.060 Actually, this one's a, it's a T20 IBM ThinkPad, a P3 700, uh, 256 mega RAM. 29:05.320 --> 29:09.880 I think it was, has a 12 gig hard drive, I believe. 29:10.660 --> 29:10.800 Yeah. 29:10.860 --> 29:15.220 Also, just for, I'm going to switch over to that Sousa box while you talk about that. 29:15.440 --> 29:22.000 So, and, uh, you know, although it's not an IM machine, I only got it pretty much to run 29:22.000 --> 29:24.740 my Plan 9 on because I wanted to do a couple of presentations. 29:24.740 --> 29:31.060 Um, and it wouldn't work on my Toshiba because my video wasn't supported with Plan 9, but 29:31.060 --> 29:38.120 nonetheless, I knew ThinkPad would do the job and everything's working fine with it. 29:38.120 --> 29:42.340 I installed Plan 9 on it, everything's working cool. 29:42.440 --> 29:47.740 Got it up on the internet, I'm doing all of my little configurations and, uh, changing 29:47.740 --> 29:50.560 some of the script files and tailoring it how I like it. 29:50.560 --> 29:52.660 Um, so, hopefully. 29:53.180 --> 29:55.280 Well, you spent an hour trying to get the resolution. 29:56.000 --> 29:59.980 Well, yeah, that, yeah, there's, I'm just messing with you. 29:59.980 --> 30:05.640 The screen size here is kind of like a funky screen size and the front doesn't, it's kind 30:05.640 --> 30:11.020 of, looks archaic, but, um, I mean, I can read it, it doesn't have to be all that pretty 30:11.020 --> 30:14.800 just as long as it does what I need to do and it, so far it's been doing that. 30:15.400 --> 30:23.640 Um, compared to my other 600, what did I have it, 600E, I think that, and the keyboard 30:23.640 --> 30:24.880 went out on me twice. 30:24.880 --> 30:32.780 So, um, I was kind of reluctant to even get another IBM, but, um, the guy that I bought 30:32.780 --> 30:37.580 this from told me a little bit of something about those P2s, so, he said, the P3 should 30:37.580 --> 30:41.520 do me much, much better and, so far, haven't had a problem. 30:42.080 --> 30:43.800 Yeah, I think that's probably right. 30:44.120 --> 30:44.440 Yeah. 30:45.460 --> 30:51.780 I, um, I just switched over, like I said, and Yast is just finishing up the installation. 30:51.780 --> 31:00.140 I don't know if it's the KVM switch now that I've got going on here or what, but the mouse 31:00.140 --> 31:02.120 is really jumping all over the place. 31:02.300 --> 31:02.640 Uh-oh. 31:02.960 --> 31:09.180 So, something's fishy, so I'm trying to keyboard navigate through all of this GUI install of 31:09.180 --> 31:09.500 Yast. 31:09.580 --> 31:15.360 The last time I installed SUSE was using the text-based install, so this is kind of, uh, 31:15.360 --> 31:16.180 tricky. 31:17.680 --> 31:17.960 Yep. 31:18.140 --> 31:18.740 Take your time. 31:20.100 --> 31:20.940 That's a good look. 31:20.940 --> 31:24.040 Actually, you didn't mention your favorite feature on that laptop. 31:24.580 --> 31:25.600 Oh, I forgot. 31:26.340 --> 31:30.180 Man, this has got to be, like, the coolest thing I've seen. 31:31.580 --> 31:34.240 I mean, I've never seen, maybe, maybe, I don't know. 31:34.380 --> 31:37.740 I'm pretty sure some of the other guys out there have probably seen this before and probably 31:37.740 --> 31:44.320 not a big deal to you, but to me, there's a function key, and on the page down key, there's 31:44.320 --> 31:52.140 like a little light, and on the actual monitor, on the actual, I guess, the flat screen part 31:52.140 --> 31:58.760 of the ThinkPad, there's like a little hole there with a light there. 31:58.760 --> 32:05.700 And when you do a function page up, it actually has a built-in light so you can actually do 32:05.700 --> 32:08.580 your coding and do whatever you need to do in complete darkness. 32:08.580 --> 32:16.080 And that's like the coolest thing I've seen on a laptop, as opposed to using, like, those 32:16.080 --> 32:24.960 USB lights, you know, and the lamps and all this, and the freaking glasses with the bulbs 32:24.960 --> 32:27.000 on the side and all that kind of nonsense. 32:27.000 --> 32:31.620 But this is, I'm pretty impressed with the ThinkPad, really. 32:32.200 --> 32:33.920 I'm impressed, and I like it. 32:35.260 --> 32:36.400 Actually, it is a good box. 32:36.500 --> 32:38.980 It's very compatible, one of the most compatible laptops. 32:39.880 --> 32:41.900 I just got an error on my boot manager. 32:42.020 --> 32:46.300 It does not like Lilo because, yikes, what is this? 32:46.820 --> 32:47.840 Okay, this is bad radio. 32:47.880 --> 32:53.340 We're going to have to look at this offline, but it did not like, one of the alias contains 32:53.340 --> 32:54.660 a blank character. 32:54.660 --> 33:00.300 By default, memory test is something it created, but it was expecting Grub, so maybe I should 33:00.300 --> 33:01.420 set it back to Grub. 33:01.560 --> 33:03.340 I guess so, yeah, I guess so. 33:03.360 --> 33:05.600 Much as I don't particularly like Grub, but whatever. 33:06.300 --> 33:06.560 Well. 33:07.540 --> 33:07.940 Anyway. 33:09.760 --> 33:12.720 Yeah, so have you got it up and running completely now, or? 33:12.920 --> 33:13.380 Oh, yeah. 33:13.780 --> 33:14.780 Everything's up and running. 33:14.940 --> 33:16.620 I'm able to, I got it on the net. 33:17.280 --> 33:18.820 I'm able to check my mail. 33:22.880 --> 33:23.620 Let me see. 33:23.620 --> 33:27.200 There are a couple of little things that I want to try to get working. 33:27.440 --> 33:30.700 For some reason, a Wi-Fi card isn't working on it. 33:31.740 --> 33:33.640 I don't get a link, you know. 33:33.800 --> 33:40.380 And I know I'm within range of a Wi-Fi signal, but for some reason it's not giving me a link. 33:40.520 --> 33:42.240 I'll work on that a little bit later. 33:42.240 --> 33:48.240 But other than that, it's working like a charm. 33:49.000 --> 33:49.720 Not a problem. 33:49.880 --> 33:57.900 Hopefully, the next 2600 meeting I can do a little intro or something to Plan 9. 33:57.900 --> 34:02.740 I wish we could do it somewhere where we have an internet connection, though. 34:03.180 --> 34:03.820 Yeah, I'm. 34:03.820 --> 34:05.260 So I can show the full potential. 34:05.720 --> 34:05.960 Right. 34:06.080 --> 34:10.060 That was the first I had seen of Plan 9, was watching you kind of set it up and install. 34:10.260 --> 34:12.900 And it was definitely unique. 34:12.980 --> 34:14.340 It's not something I had seen before. 34:14.540 --> 34:18.880 You were very right in your description saying that it's very mousy. 34:19.260 --> 34:20.220 Yeah, very, very mousy. 34:20.220 --> 34:21.240 It is very mousy. 34:21.420 --> 34:22.340 Everything is done with the mouse. 34:22.520 --> 34:23.840 That's going to take some getting used to. 34:23.900 --> 34:26.640 Because it's mousy, but at the same time it requires a lot of typing. 34:27.060 --> 34:29.420 So that's kind of awkward a little bit. 34:29.460 --> 34:31.120 I guess that's something you get used to after a while. 34:31.120 --> 34:39.400 And I think the whole reasoning behind that is because, remember I showed you where you can select, highlight, 34:39.740 --> 34:45.800 and then send it to the command line instead of typing out the whole command again? 34:46.540 --> 34:46.880 Right. 34:46.880 --> 34:57.340 I guess the whole reasoning behind that is the mouse is actually quicker than trying to type out a whole bunch of things. 34:57.660 --> 35:02.940 Like, you know, if you have a regular expression that you're putting in that you're trying to change a text file or whatever, 35:03.700 --> 35:11.680 and you can, you know, you select the whole line and you can actually go ahead and edit it quicker with the mouse. 35:11.680 --> 35:24.880 And also with Play9, there is no, what do they call it, keyboard, I think I'm screwing this up here, keyboard addressing, 35:25.280 --> 35:26.640 I think that's what they call it. 35:27.240 --> 35:30.340 Well, basically, you can't use the arrows to navigate. 35:30.340 --> 35:36.860 You know, if you use the up and down arrow, it will actually move the terminal page up and down. 35:37.360 --> 35:45.960 You know, there is no character or keyboard addressing like in Linux or in Windows where you could use the arrows to go where you want. 35:45.960 --> 35:47.980 Well, they're not mapped to, right. 35:47.980 --> 35:54.040 Right, if you need to actually go between a letter, you know, between two letters or delete a letter, 35:54.140 --> 36:02.420 you actually have to use the mouse and click on that location and then use the backspace or do whatever editing you want. 36:02.800 --> 36:06.880 Or you can use your, you know, if you're in a file, you could use red expressions, you know. 36:06.880 --> 36:14.580 That's something I don't like the sound of particularly, but again, I guess it's just part of it and you've got to get used to it. 36:14.760 --> 36:19.940 Right, it is definitely a programmer's operating system, you know. 36:20.140 --> 36:20.360 Yeah. 36:20.360 --> 36:27.380 And sometimes it's definitely not meant to be made for the mass and everybody to use. 36:27.620 --> 36:27.940 Right. 36:28.620 --> 36:32.680 But, and then again, that's kind of like what I like, you know. 36:32.740 --> 36:35.780 I like the unique things. 36:35.900 --> 36:37.080 I like different things. 36:37.260 --> 36:37.600 Right. 36:38.480 --> 36:46.120 Right, and now that I've got this KVM switch going in here, I have a fourth port available and I've got it already promised out. 36:46.120 --> 36:53.820 But I've just got to get, I've got another box laying here that I want to get working and it's an old K62400MHz chip, 36:53.920 --> 36:57.460 which should be plenty enough to run Plan 9, correct? 36:57.860 --> 36:58.200 Oh, yeah. 36:58.760 --> 37:00.220 So, and it's got a good amount of memory on it. 37:00.220 --> 37:00.660 What's memory? 37:01.160 --> 37:01.480 So. 37:02.120 --> 37:02.980 How much memory is that? 37:03.780 --> 37:05.180 It's at least 256. 37:05.540 --> 37:06.800 It's probably 512. 37:07.480 --> 37:08.740 Oh, that's plenty. 37:08.860 --> 37:11.140 Yeah, I think all of my boxes have 512 or more. 37:11.140 --> 37:18.840 I mean, memory is just the biggest increase in productivity and, you know, in my opinion. 37:19.000 --> 37:22.120 So I'm always, I always make sure I get plenty of memory in my boxes. 37:23.960 --> 37:24.600 All right. 37:24.740 --> 37:32.000 So, I guess now, unless you had anything else, we can go on to some talking a little bit about hope. 37:32.860 --> 37:33.280 Oh, yeah. 37:33.920 --> 37:34.480 Oh, yeah. 37:34.520 --> 37:36.360 That is the main topic of the show, isn't it? 37:36.380 --> 37:36.880 Yeah, yeah. 37:36.900 --> 37:39.180 We were supposed to be doing this, talking about hope anyway. 37:39.180 --> 37:42.440 Well, we've still got plenty of time to talk about hope. 37:43.100 --> 37:46.560 I'm actually going to bring up here real quick, because I didn't do it beforehand. 37:47.100 --> 37:50.460 I was not properly prepared to bring up the list of speakers. 37:50.540 --> 37:53.080 And I thought we'd go down through some of the speaker list. 37:53.840 --> 37:57.440 Obviously, it would take a long time to go through all of them, and we don't have time to do that. 37:57.440 --> 38:00.860 But, let's see the schedule here. 38:01.960 --> 38:02.240 Okay. 38:03.340 --> 38:04.500 On Friday. 38:04.840 --> 38:07.940 Now, you actually, I think, went to more presentations than I did. 38:07.940 --> 38:09.960 Basically, I lost Friday. 38:10.560 --> 38:12.600 Friday was pretty much a wash for me. 38:12.660 --> 38:17.800 I went to a couple of presentations, but I spent most of my time getting my own presentation ready. 38:17.940 --> 38:20.600 And Saturday morning definitely was a wash for me. 38:20.660 --> 38:24.140 So, I didn't really get to go to too much stuff until Saturday afternoon. 38:24.260 --> 38:27.160 Well, even Saturday evening, I was at Slip Modes. 38:27.200 --> 38:28.940 I was on the panel at Slip Modes presentations. 38:28.940 --> 38:32.080 So, I really didn't get to see as many as I liked. 38:32.440 --> 38:34.620 But, I did go to a few of them. 38:34.660 --> 38:37.540 And I think you went to a few other ones, different ones than I did. 38:37.780 --> 38:40.100 So, I thought we'd kind of go through here and see. 38:40.940 --> 38:44.780 Now, Friday, anything before noon, forget about it. 38:44.980 --> 38:47.380 So, just skip right over that. 38:47.460 --> 38:47.800 No way. 38:47.800 --> 38:49.780 Actually, I think I was up early that day. 38:49.860 --> 38:50.420 Oh, man. 38:50.500 --> 38:51.120 I don't know how. 38:51.620 --> 38:52.320 Yeah, yeah. 38:52.360 --> 38:52.660 Remember? 38:52.840 --> 38:53.100 Yeah. 38:53.240 --> 38:54.080 Because I got up. 38:54.120 --> 38:54.920 Remember I got up. 38:55.360 --> 38:55.700 Let me see. 38:56.000 --> 38:59.320 I was about maybe eight or nine and you were still asleep. 38:59.480 --> 39:00.760 You said, oh, I'm not bothered. 39:01.780 --> 39:02.500 I'm tired. 39:02.660 --> 39:05.300 That was the day you didn't get to sleep for the past four days. 39:05.300 --> 39:05.540 Yeah. 39:06.060 --> 39:06.520 Four days. 39:06.980 --> 39:07.620 But, yeah. 39:07.700 --> 39:09.680 I actually caught the opening. 39:10.400 --> 39:14.280 It should just be against the rules for any hacking convention to start before noon. 39:14.640 --> 39:16.600 That should just be a standard rule. 39:17.080 --> 39:17.820 But, anyway. 39:17.920 --> 39:18.420 I digress. 39:18.500 --> 39:19.100 That's just a joke. 39:19.420 --> 39:20.940 So, you went to the opening. 39:21.760 --> 39:22.040 Yeah. 39:22.840 --> 39:31.380 I did catch the guy that was talking about the war on terrorism. 39:31.380 --> 39:34.240 Bruce, what was his name? 39:34.340 --> 39:34.700 Bruce. 39:35.320 --> 39:37.160 You're not talking about Robert Steele? 39:37.880 --> 39:38.700 Oh, Bruce Schneider. 39:38.720 --> 39:39.480 Oh, Bruce Schneider. 39:39.480 --> 39:40.180 Yeah, yeah. 39:40.260 --> 39:41.000 About the war on terrorism. 39:41.120 --> 39:44.360 You know, off and on, I was kind of like in and out because I was kind of like walking 39:44.360 --> 39:45.180 around still. 39:45.900 --> 39:50.420 Going upstairs and downstairs and 18th floor and, you know, walking around. 39:50.480 --> 39:52.740 But I did get bits and parts of that. 39:54.460 --> 39:57.860 Securities, liberties, and trade-offs in the war on terrorism. 39:57.880 --> 39:59.240 That was the name of that presentation. 39:59.540 --> 40:00.060 Right, right. 40:00.060 --> 40:02.260 I don't know if it's Schneider or Schneier. 40:02.760 --> 40:04.240 I don't know if it's a typo on here. 40:04.400 --> 40:05.240 Schneier or Schneier? 40:05.380 --> 40:05.900 I don't know. 40:06.100 --> 40:06.500 Schneier? 40:07.900 --> 40:08.420 I don't know. 40:08.420 --> 40:10.980 S-C-H-N-E-I-E-R. 40:11.160 --> 40:11.400 Yeah. 40:13.240 --> 40:13.640 Schneier? 40:13.920 --> 40:14.360 Schneier? 40:14.620 --> 40:15.140 I don't know. 40:15.220 --> 40:15.520 Anyway. 40:15.740 --> 40:17.800 Well, apologies to him if we mispronounce it. 40:17.820 --> 40:17.900 All right, Bruce. 40:18.940 --> 40:20.100 Maybe we'll get it right. 40:20.220 --> 40:20.400 Yeah. 40:20.400 --> 40:25.500 But that one, I caught bits and pieces of that off and on. 40:25.500 --> 40:30.760 And it's, you know, it was, I guess, okay, the little pieces I caught. 40:31.320 --> 40:36.300 Just pretty much talking about how stupid, some of the things we do. 40:36.660 --> 40:37.320 But anyway. 40:37.580 --> 40:37.800 Yeah. 40:37.800 --> 40:40.520 I try not to get too political about things. 40:40.640 --> 40:42.580 I mean, after all, this is a hack of the convention. 40:43.120 --> 40:43.520 Right. 40:43.520 --> 40:46.740 And I actually, I was going to save that comment for the end of our whole discussion. 40:46.740 --> 40:47.500 And I will. 40:47.580 --> 40:48.660 I'm going to save that for the end. 40:49.900 --> 40:50.540 So, yeah. 40:50.860 --> 40:54.060 Because of what you just said, that had no interest for me whatsoever. 40:54.360 --> 40:57.060 I wasn't even, didn't even want to go see that presentation. 40:57.620 --> 40:58.060 Right. 40:58.060 --> 41:03.720 Now, the one right after that, wireless and Wi-Fi, the good, the bad, and the ugly. 41:03.880 --> 41:05.540 I wouldn't have mind seeing that. 41:05.620 --> 41:10.460 But I don't know what new information they could have possibly had or if they had. 41:10.700 --> 41:11.500 I don't know. 41:11.700 --> 41:14.560 I didn't really catch any of that. 41:16.280 --> 41:18.120 I didn't really see any of that. 41:18.160 --> 41:20.480 I think at that point I was, like, downstairs maybe. 41:21.260 --> 41:21.700 Yeah. 41:21.840 --> 41:27.220 And actually, after that one in Section A was actually the first presentation I caught. 41:27.220 --> 41:31.240 And I made myself wake up at 2 o'clock, which I know that sounds funny. 41:31.680 --> 41:35.520 But I made myself get up by 2 o'clock to go see this one. 41:36.280 --> 41:38.780 And that's when corporations attack. 41:38.880 --> 41:46.200 And this was Acidus and Virgil because I had actually, I don't know, I shouldn't say worked with them. 41:46.240 --> 41:48.360 But I actually had followed their case. 41:49.500 --> 41:56.120 And without going into a lot of detail, we're actually going to try to have Acidus and or Virgil on some upcoming shows. 41:56.120 --> 41:58.380 And maybe we'll talk about it as much as they're allowed to. 41:59.180 --> 42:06.840 But basically, they did some research and investigation to Blackboard, which is a college ID card system. 42:06.980 --> 42:08.860 But it's also other things besides that. 42:08.920 --> 42:12.840 But in their case, they were really looking at the ID card system, particularly at their university. 42:14.440 --> 42:17.560 And Blackboard didn't take very kindly to that. 42:17.560 --> 42:18.900 So issued a cease and desist. 42:19.000 --> 42:24.200 They were going to present a presentation at Interzone, Interzone 3. 42:25.640 --> 42:29.220 And I guess at the last minute, they got a notification that they were being sued. 42:29.640 --> 42:36.780 And long story short, they ended up settling it, which to a pretty amicable deal, if I say so myself. 42:36.860 --> 42:38.040 I don't know if they'd agree with me. 42:38.080 --> 42:39.180 I don't want to put words in their mouth. 42:39.260 --> 42:42.800 But it seemed like a fair balance. 42:42.800 --> 42:57.220 It was awfully scary and intimidating and a little bit unnecessary, I think, the way they went about it, coming into someone's hotel room an hour before and issuing them a subpoena under a whatever. 42:57.720 --> 42:59.440 Anyway, it was kind of tricky the way they did it. 42:59.820 --> 43:05.360 And again, I think the agreement was that they're really not supposed to talk about certain aspects of it. 43:05.360 --> 43:10.400 But what they did talk about, again, the name of this presentation was When Corporations Attack. 43:11.220 --> 43:16.440 So the two of them, along with Dan Morgan from Satellite News, is that what it was called? 43:17.320 --> 43:18.820 Satellite News, the old newsletter. 43:18.960 --> 43:27.620 He got in some trouble also from the satellite TV companies shutting him down for distributing information about how they worked. 43:27.620 --> 43:41.080 And Wendy Seltzer and representatives from the EFF all on a panel talking about that very subject, about how, well, not how, but telling a little bit about their particular stories. 43:41.940 --> 43:46.800 And as crude as it sounds, how much they sucked being in that situation. 43:46.800 --> 43:52.900 I wish I could say something more eloquently, but it just sucked for them and what they had to go through. 43:52.900 --> 44:00.300 And, again, I had sent some information to them because I had followed up on their case and I knew something about Blackboard. 44:00.400 --> 44:04.120 So I kind of had been following these guys, Acidus and Virgil, that is. 44:04.200 --> 44:08.780 So I was able to meet up with them afterwards and talk about some of that kind of stuff with them. 44:08.860 --> 44:14.800 Talk about some things that I had found and, you know, just basically show us support. 44:14.920 --> 44:18.780 Tell them that, you know, I think they did get kind of steamrolled there a little bit. 44:18.780 --> 44:22.260 So they actually were really good guys, so I'm glad I got to meet up with them. 44:22.900 --> 44:25.640 And work on, possibly work on some other projects. 44:25.880 --> 44:30.380 So that was definitely a good presentation, I thought. 44:31.480 --> 44:31.880 Okay. 44:32.120 --> 44:37.620 And at the same time, however, there was also another good presentation in B that I would have liked to have seen. 44:37.740 --> 44:40.000 Security through diversity from Java Man. 44:40.460 --> 44:43.920 Obviously I didn't get to see that because I was over in A for this one. 44:43.920 --> 44:49.060 And so I'm waiting now for that one to be released on DVD or whatever they're going to do. 44:49.080 --> 44:53.960 If they're going to put it on the web for what download or whatever so that I can catch some of the ones that I missed. 44:54.660 --> 45:00.740 Because of reasons like this where I was in one room instead of the other or, you know, or just was asleep through it one or the other. 45:01.000 --> 45:01.320 Right. 45:01.320 --> 45:08.600 So, yeah, I did get up at, that was 2 o'clock in room A for that one. 45:08.640 --> 45:09.560 So I did check that out. 45:09.620 --> 45:10.740 And that was pretty good. 45:10.800 --> 45:11.500 I like that. 45:13.780 --> 45:19.500 And I have to say, Acidus made a point that I thought the best point of the whole presentation that he made was, 45:19.500 --> 45:30.340 I think it was actually prompted by an audience question, if I remember correctly, saying, you know, what do you do to avoid this happening to you? 45:30.340 --> 45:38.640 We're hackers and, you know, releasing information is a dangerous game because people don't want information released. 45:39.020 --> 45:45.520 And without going into the, you and I get into these debates that last hours on that subject. 45:45.520 --> 45:49.820 And we don't have that for the show, so we'll let that go for another time. 45:49.960 --> 45:52.540 But somebody asked, you know, what can you do? 45:52.620 --> 45:53.680 What do you do to protect yourself? 45:53.720 --> 45:56.620 Because you do want to do this kind of research. 45:56.780 --> 45:58.360 You do want to find out how it works. 45:58.440 --> 45:59.360 That's what hackers do. 45:59.460 --> 46:01.700 We like digging in and figuring that kind of stuff out. 46:02.260 --> 46:03.540 What do you do to protect yourself? 46:03.640 --> 46:08.540 And he made the comment, first of all, he reiterated that, yes, it's learning. 46:08.980 --> 46:10.500 And there's nothing wrong with learning. 46:10.620 --> 46:12.060 Learning should be a great thing. 46:12.060 --> 46:17.320 So he said, you know, yes, you want to learn about it and that's fine, but you also have to protect yourself. 46:17.840 --> 46:29.000 And his advice, and I truly, absolutely support this, was to document every step along the way of what you are doing. 46:29.440 --> 46:30.980 You don't have to release it to anybody. 46:31.160 --> 46:36.640 You don't have to tell somebody and document externally going, hey, I'm looking at your company and this is what I'm doing. 46:36.640 --> 46:59.700 Just for your own personal benefit so that if later on down the road you get a subpoena or you get attacked by somebody or you get accused, I don't know how much weight it would carry in court, but it would sure go, I think it would go very far for you to show to the judge or show to whoever and say, listen, I was doing research, I was studying, and I kept a log or a journal. 46:59.700 --> 47:04.920 And here's everything I did, step one, I did this, I only did this, I did not do that. 47:05.000 --> 47:11.320 And cover yourself and show that you didn't do anything damaging, you didn't do anything threatening, you didn't do anything illegal. 47:12.060 --> 47:23.520 You know, cover yourself and show what you actually did and did not do so that if they start accusing you, oh, you did this and you did that, you can say, listen, I've got a clear log and I know for a fact I did not do that. 47:23.520 --> 47:29.220 Now, again, I don't know how much legal weight that would carry, but I think that would go much further than you would imagine in court. 47:29.320 --> 47:32.800 I think showing that you went to that trouble would carry a lot of weight. 47:33.720 --> 47:36.700 So I think that was very, very good advice from him. 47:37.180 --> 47:38.940 It would definitely raise some eyebrows. 47:39.280 --> 47:39.480 Yeah. 47:39.480 --> 47:46.660 And, you know, my other attitude on life in general, and especially hacking, is it can't hurt. 47:47.740 --> 47:50.360 You know, take that extra step to protect yourself. 47:50.460 --> 47:51.080 Make that log. 47:51.160 --> 47:53.880 Because, you know what, even if it doesn't help you in court, it doesn't hurt. 47:54.320 --> 47:54.580 Right. 47:54.760 --> 47:56.720 You know, so you might as well take a shot. 47:56.780 --> 47:58.120 It might help you out in the long run. 47:58.540 --> 47:59.640 It might not, but it might. 47:59.880 --> 48:03.360 So, you know, and it also, for me, I'm an organizational freak. 48:03.360 --> 48:08.360 I try to keep notes on stuff anyway because it helps me to keep my mind flowing, keep everything organized. 48:08.360 --> 48:12.000 So I very much support that comment. 48:13.760 --> 48:15.900 Now, that was at 2 o'clock. 48:16.020 --> 48:21.740 Now, I didn't get to anything else again until the keynote at 4, which was Kevin Mitnick. 48:22.000 --> 48:24.320 Did you make anything else between then? 48:24.980 --> 48:25.300 No. 48:25.460 --> 48:27.100 Actually, I walked out. 48:27.220 --> 48:28.680 I didn't even get to see Kevin. 48:28.980 --> 48:30.920 Well, I saw maybe the first five minutes. 48:31.060 --> 48:33.840 Then it began to get to a point where I couldn't breathe in there. 48:34.340 --> 48:37.000 So I decided, you know what, I've got to get out of here. 48:37.000 --> 48:39.900 And it was just too many people, man. 48:40.040 --> 48:44.180 It wasn't even buried enough room to breathe in there, really. 48:44.620 --> 48:46.040 Yeah, it was packed. 48:46.180 --> 48:53.440 And I find out later after the fact from our forums at forums.binrev.com, that apparently 48:53.440 --> 48:59.120 there was a, we were right at the fire marshal limit of how many people were allowed on that 48:59.120 --> 48:59.400 room. 48:59.780 --> 49:00.300 Believe it. 49:00.300 --> 49:03.160 But myself, I was back at the vendor booth at that point. 49:03.260 --> 49:06.660 I was hanging out with Sub-Zero and Johnny Lightning and Epiphany and some of those guys 49:06.660 --> 49:08.760 back there at our booth. 49:08.840 --> 49:09.880 So we were already in. 49:10.920 --> 49:14.800 So, but yes, I heard stories of other people saying they got turned away and they were actually 49:14.800 --> 49:17.320 denied they're not allowed to come in because they were over capacity. 49:18.320 --> 49:18.640 So. 49:18.640 --> 49:25.220 Definitely a lot of people in that damn, I mean, it was a, it was a pretty big size hall 49:25.220 --> 49:29.720 there, you know, but man, it was a lot of people, a lot of people. 49:30.100 --> 49:30.380 Yeah. 49:30.820 --> 49:31.100 Yeah. 49:31.100 --> 49:37.060 And that was Kevin's first, um, public speech or public, uh, that was actually his first 49:37.060 --> 49:37.840 HOPE conference. 49:37.860 --> 49:38.320 That's what I'm saying. 49:38.420 --> 49:42.640 At, at, at a HOPE conference for all that, you know, all that he's tied down or tied to 49:42.640 --> 49:49.840 2600 and associated with, this was the first time that he's been able to actually speak. 49:49.940 --> 49:52.500 So, um, yeah, I was there for that. 49:52.560 --> 49:54.200 I was, like I said, in the back. 49:54.200 --> 49:56.240 So I didn't, I, here's my recommendation. 49:56.400 --> 50:00.700 If anybody from HOPE is listening next year, extend those speakers on into the back. 50:00.700 --> 50:04.620 Uh, one extra section, cause back there in the vendors area, we could be, we could see 50:04.620 --> 50:06.320 everything, but we didn't quite hear it. 50:06.720 --> 50:09.840 If you could take one more set of speakers, bring them back a little bit further, we could 50:09.840 --> 50:13.920 have heard it all back there and it would have been, been able to, to watch and enjoy 50:13.920 --> 50:17.140 them as well as, uh, tending the booths. 50:17.740 --> 50:20.320 That would have been cool, but I still was able to pick up most of it. 50:20.360 --> 50:26.740 I'd walked up there a couple of times to, to pick some things up and I actually, um, not 50:26.740 --> 50:29.320 theory and I bumped into Kevin and Darcy going down the elevator. 50:29.320 --> 50:31.620 They were as nice as they could be to us. 50:31.740 --> 50:31.980 Yeah. 50:32.080 --> 50:33.440 Um, very approachable. 50:33.520 --> 50:34.420 I didn't have any problems. 50:34.720 --> 50:38.740 Um, apparently they were forced to have security. 50:38.920 --> 50:42.540 I guess that's the, I don't know how true that story is, but I guess Emmanuel wanted to make 50:42.540 --> 50:45.700 sure that they had a, uh, proper security at the conference. 50:45.700 --> 50:52.140 So, um, and I, I did see security with them a couple of times, but I bumped into Kevin two 50:52.140 --> 50:55.060 or three times that weekend, spoke to him for a few minutes each time. 50:55.060 --> 51:00.260 Um, nice as he, nice guy as he could be, didn't have any problems, very approachable, really, 51:00.380 --> 51:00.980 really a good guy. 51:01.060 --> 51:05.140 Him and Darcy both, they were very, very nice, approachable people and, uh, I was very impressed 51:05.140 --> 51:05.560 by that. 51:05.680 --> 51:06.940 Yeah, he's a pretty nice guy. 51:07.020 --> 51:07.140 Yeah. 51:07.140 --> 51:07.860 Pretty nice guy. 51:07.860 --> 51:15.780 And, um, at the, uh, book signing, uh, Fire Door was also there, the, uh, gentleman that, 51:15.780 --> 51:16.720 uh, created InMap. 51:17.320 --> 51:17.880 Uh-huh. 51:18.060 --> 51:24.100 A lot of, uh, you know, a lot of us that used InMap, he was there signing books, Fire Door, 51:24.440 --> 51:26.740 right next to, um, Kevin. 51:27.140 --> 51:31.720 I actually, I think I have a picture on the, uh, site with Fire Door and Kevin there right 51:31.720 --> 51:33.140 next to us doing book signings. 51:33.140 --> 51:34.680 Yeah, I, I made a mistake on that. 51:34.720 --> 51:38.760 I actually, I was sitting back there behind our booth and I, I kept saying, you know, 51:38.800 --> 51:41.300 okay, he sat down, he's got all these people lined up for autographs. 51:41.340 --> 51:42.940 I'm like, I'll just wait until the line goes down. 51:43.000 --> 51:44.240 I'll just wait until the line goes down. 51:44.280 --> 51:46.200 And, of course, the line never went down. 51:46.440 --> 51:47.380 Never went down, bro. 51:47.460 --> 51:50.220 Yeah, so, yeah, I got killed on that one, but oh well. 51:50.620 --> 51:52.840 Yeah, but you did, uh, talk to Fire Door, huh? 51:53.240 --> 51:54.180 Yeah, I talked to him. 51:54.260 --> 51:59.240 I talked to, um, Kevin, like I said, and, um, you know, I actually, I talked to a lot of people. 51:59.360 --> 52:00.800 Yeah, it was a little dizzy, man. 52:00.800 --> 52:03.400 It was like, you turn your back, you see somebody else. 52:03.420 --> 52:04.880 You turn this way, you see somebody else. 52:04.880 --> 52:06.520 This person talking, that person talking. 52:06.640 --> 52:07.780 Yeah, and people coming up. 52:07.780 --> 52:09.020 It was like, man. 52:09.800 --> 52:13.880 Tapping on the shoulder and wanting to meet you and talking to people that you didn't know 52:13.880 --> 52:15.060 and meeting people that you didn't. 52:15.060 --> 52:16.620 Yeah, it was, but it was, but it was good. 52:16.740 --> 52:17.060 It was good. 52:17.220 --> 52:17.640 It was constant. 52:18.160 --> 52:19.060 Yeah, oh, it was great. 52:19.300 --> 52:20.780 I had a, I had a blast. 52:20.880 --> 52:21.740 It was a great weekend. 52:21.860 --> 52:22.840 I enjoyed it thoroughly. 52:23.480 --> 52:23.800 Yep. 52:23.940 --> 52:28.120 I mean, I, again, I had a couple issues and I'll, I think I will bring them up later, 52:28.120 --> 52:30.560 but all in all, it was definitely a good, good thing. 52:31.500 --> 52:37.780 Um, now I know after Kevin was a presentation on CryptoPhone, which I did not go to, but 52:37.780 --> 52:42.480 I heard a couple other people, I think Natus went to, or, no, Natus, I don't remember if 52:42.480 --> 52:44.480 he went to it or said he wanted to and missed it. 52:45.300 --> 52:48.000 No, I think Natus went to it and wanted to see it again. 52:48.000 --> 52:49.840 So, I think it must have been pretty good. 52:50.240 --> 52:51.980 Oh, no, I didn't make that. 52:52.280 --> 52:54.140 Yeah, what was the next, now, okay, um. 52:54.360 --> 52:55.400 Off the hook, the broadcast. 52:55.680 --> 52:57.460 Yeah, that, I was going to say, what was the next one you went to? 52:57.480 --> 52:59.800 I didn't get to anything again until that off the hook broadcast. 53:00.280 --> 53:08.420 Yeah, after the, uh, the keynote speak on Friday, um, I pretty much, you know, just let 53:08.420 --> 53:09.040 everything air. 53:09.120 --> 53:13.300 I think I went to go get something to eat at that point or something to come back for off 53:13.300 --> 53:13.620 the hook. 53:13.920 --> 53:14.280 Yeah. 53:15.060 --> 53:17.820 And off the hook also was very crowded from what I understand, too. 53:17.820 --> 53:19.300 Yeah, but, you know, yeah. 53:19.380 --> 53:21.360 Yeah, again, I was there for the off the hook. 53:21.480 --> 53:26.960 Actually, that, that is when, between Kevin's speech and the off the hook broadcast is when 53:26.960 --> 53:31.980 a bunch of us got together, um, from DDP and kind of spent some time, and I think we did 53:31.980 --> 53:33.640 go out and grab a bite to eat and come back. 53:33.960 --> 53:34.220 Yeah. 53:34.360 --> 53:37.340 Um, and we sat down, kind of, it took up a row or two. 53:37.560 --> 53:37.840 Right. 53:38.100 --> 53:42.020 Watching the off the hook broadcast, so that was pretty cool to, to sit down as a group for 53:42.020 --> 53:46.460 the first time and, uh, you know, talk with a bunch of the guys, Cessna and Duel and 53:46.460 --> 53:51.220 Slip Mode and, and you and Wintermute and myself, a bunch of people there watching that. 53:51.360 --> 53:53.040 So, that was pretty cool. 53:53.840 --> 53:55.920 And after that, actually, you know what? 53:56.020 --> 53:57.000 I left early. 53:57.060 --> 53:57.820 I remember this now. 53:57.820 --> 54:03.840 I left early from the off the hook, um, because I wanted to go over to the, at, at, um, nine 54:03.840 --> 54:09.560 o'clock, I think it was, the automotive presentation was going on over in conference room B. 54:09.640 --> 54:13.780 So, I left the off the hook broadcast early because I knew it would be available for MP3 54:13.780 --> 54:14.160 later. 54:14.600 --> 54:19.940 So, I excused myself and went over to the automotive network, which didn't have nearly as many 54:19.940 --> 54:23.100 people there as I would have hoped or would have expected. 54:23.100 --> 54:28.500 I know I'm a little bit of a car geek or whatever, um, but I went over there to check 54:28.500 --> 54:33.960 that out, um, and it was, uh, like I said, not nearly as crowded as I was expecting. 54:34.640 --> 54:37.680 Um, it was kind of hard to hear the presentation and see the slides. 54:37.760 --> 54:42.780 The fonts were kind of small, um, but it was an interesting topic, I thought, and something 54:42.780 --> 54:45.720 I want to research more, the Open Auto Project, I believe it was called. 54:46.160 --> 54:46.420 Oh, yeah. 54:46.420 --> 54:48.240 So, Open O-T-T-O. 54:48.620 --> 54:50.700 So, you can go out and search and check that out. 54:50.700 --> 54:56.360 Um, so I went and saw that, and I think that was it for me for the night. 54:57.440 --> 54:57.980 Uh-huh. 54:58.160 --> 55:00.140 Did you catch anything else Friday night? 55:00.680 --> 55:08.620 Um, no, after, no, after the actual off the hook, I think that was pretty much it. 55:09.440 --> 55:09.840 Um. 55:10.560 --> 55:12.700 And we went out in the town Saturday night, didn't we? 55:13.100 --> 55:14.560 Yeah, we went out about... 55:14.560 --> 55:15.320 Did we go out Friday? 55:15.840 --> 55:18.040 We went out Friday, Saturday, we went out every night. 55:18.040 --> 55:25.500 Oh, yeah, we, I think we did a little EU on Friday, and, and... 55:25.500 --> 55:26.020 A little what? 55:26.060 --> 55:26.520 A little UE? 55:26.860 --> 55:27.180 UE. 55:28.240 --> 55:29.820 I said EU, oh my gosh. 55:29.820 --> 55:31.120 I thought you, I wasn't sure. 55:31.680 --> 55:32.420 Yeah, UE. 55:32.800 --> 55:34.020 We went to the European Union? 55:34.100 --> 55:34.840 I don't remember that. 55:36.840 --> 55:37.120 Oh. 55:37.120 --> 55:40.680 Oh, yeah, we did some UE, and we have footage of that. 55:41.260 --> 55:45.340 That'll probably, that'll probably make a Hack TV episode sometime soon. 55:46.980 --> 55:49.440 And, um, actually, we couldn't find you. 55:49.540 --> 55:53.840 We went out to, we did some more urban exploration that, unfortunately, you weren't able to make, 55:53.900 --> 55:55.420 but I have some footage of that as well. 55:56.080 --> 55:57.260 That was really... 55:57.260 --> 56:00.020 Oh, that's when you went back, oh, when you went back out. 56:00.020 --> 56:05.600 Yeah, we went across town and did some, some UE that, um... 56:05.600 --> 56:06.720 Oh, I know what happened. 56:06.800 --> 56:07.480 Yeah, I want to keep... 56:07.480 --> 56:13.000 When we, when we got back from the first one, I was on the 18th floor listening to that, you know. 56:13.520 --> 56:15.940 We were pretty much, um, who was it? 56:16.100 --> 56:17.400 Um, Nata? 56:17.760 --> 56:25.100 I'm not sure if it was, if it was Pete and I, or basically it was two of us, we were sitting there, you know, 56:25.100 --> 56:31.900 after we split up behind the elevators there, and, uh, we made it to the 18th floor. 56:32.480 --> 56:36.060 But then, uh, that's when you called me a little while after. 56:36.620 --> 56:40.660 I was trying to find out where we were at, and I said we were up here, you know, on the 13th, on the 18th floor, 56:41.240 --> 56:43.240 listening to the, uh, panel. 56:44.000 --> 56:47.360 And, well, not really listening, but pretty much just playing out in the terminals. 56:47.840 --> 56:50.280 And I think that's when you got, you left again. 56:51.140 --> 56:52.640 But I didn't know where you was going. 56:52.640 --> 56:55.420 Yeah, I didn't know where I was going, truthfully. 56:55.700 --> 56:56.740 I was following. 56:57.540 --> 57:02.640 Yeah, so I think after I finished that terminal, I went to go see where you guys were at. 57:02.680 --> 57:07.740 I thought maybe you went into the, uh, Area B, or, you know, another one of those areas, 57:07.880 --> 57:09.300 but I didn't see you, so I guess. 57:09.440 --> 57:14.880 And then when I got, when we caught up with you later, well, the next, well, later that morning, 57:15.140 --> 57:19.920 that's when you said you guys went out on, uh, another little, uh... 57:19.920 --> 57:25.280 Yeah, and when I, when I did finally come back with gigantic blisters on my toes, 57:25.340 --> 57:28.800 I had a blister on my pinky toe that was bigger than my pinky toe. 57:29.280 --> 57:31.040 Yeah, and you wanted to try that. 57:31.140 --> 57:33.420 No, we, we'll save that story for later, too. 57:34.380 --> 57:37.040 Let's just say we left a nice little gift for the, uh... 57:37.040 --> 57:40.480 That's nasty. 57:40.480 --> 57:43.480 Yeah, that was pretty gross, but hey, um, what are you going to do? 57:44.480 --> 57:46.140 Hey, you, hey, it was your idea. 57:46.300 --> 57:47.580 You dared me to do it. 57:47.820 --> 57:48.500 Well, I... 57:48.500 --> 57:49.760 Okay, we'll save that later. 57:49.780 --> 57:52.340 That was a pocket knife, and I was about to give you a pocket knife. 57:52.340 --> 57:57.020 Well, let's stick with the, uh, let's stick with the presentations, and we'll do those stories later. 57:58.120 --> 58:03.520 Um, when I came back from my little UE adventure, and from yet another trip to White Castle, 58:04.180 --> 58:05.260 Um, when I came back... 58:05.260 --> 58:06.100 Oh, yeah, White Castle. 58:06.180 --> 58:09.080 Yeah, when I came back, I, that's, I spent the rest of the night. 58:09.120 --> 58:11.560 We got back probably three, two or three a.m. 58:11.560 --> 58:15.460 I spent the rest of that night down there with slip mode, the two of us working on our presentations, 58:15.640 --> 58:17.260 because we both presented Saturday evening. 58:17.600 --> 58:21.680 So I spent the rest of the night down there until about six a.m., 58:21.680 --> 58:26.960 and I came back to the room doing some rendering for my video for my presentation, 58:27.400 --> 58:30.700 and, and tried to catch some sleep, which I couldn't, I didn't. 58:30.700 --> 58:34.260 I ended up getting to bed around eight or nine, actually. 58:35.180 --> 58:37.240 Um, but I don't know where you were. 58:37.340 --> 58:41.000 It's six a.m., about quarter till six, I got back to the room. 58:41.640 --> 58:42.600 You were not there. 58:43.580 --> 58:44.340 I wasn't there. 58:44.540 --> 58:44.800 Nope. 58:45.120 --> 58:47.040 I don't know where you were at six in the morning. 58:47.180 --> 58:49.120 You were down, you were in a movie room. 58:49.140 --> 58:51.520 I was down there with the other hacker down there, the, um... 58:51.520 --> 58:52.880 The guy that was rooting the box. 58:53.020 --> 58:55.700 Yeah, the guy that was rooting four terminals down there. 58:55.700 --> 58:57.260 Yeah, we talked about him last week. 58:57.440 --> 58:59.780 Yeah, and the, uh, 2600, yeah. 58:59.780 --> 59:04.120 Yeah, so, so, Saturday morning was a wash for me. 59:04.200 --> 59:06.520 Did you, were you able to catch anything Saturday morning? 59:06.620 --> 59:08.960 Let me see, Saturday, oh, lockpicking. 59:10.140 --> 59:10.740 I... 59:10.740 --> 59:11.220 You made that? 59:11.880 --> 59:16.860 I saw, uh, you know, a little bit of the lockpicking. 59:16.860 --> 59:31.840 And also, I, I actually went to the, you know, on the, uh, let me see, second floor, they had the little lockpicking class pretty much running throughout the con, where you could just go down, sit down, and pick rocks all day if you wanted. 59:32.180 --> 59:32.540 Right. 59:32.540 --> 59:35.220 And, uh, actually, I got a couple picked. 59:35.760 --> 59:35.880 Oh, yeah. 59:35.880 --> 59:37.500 It wasn't as hard as I thought I was going to be. 59:37.640 --> 59:38.620 You didn't tell me the story. 59:38.680 --> 59:40.320 I didn't know you actually went down there for that. 59:40.460 --> 59:41.660 Yeah, I went to the lockpicking. 59:41.940 --> 59:42.680 That would have been interesting. 59:42.760 --> 59:47.300 You're going to have to, you know what, you're going to have to teach me that at our upcoming 2600 meeting, what's two weeks away? 59:47.600 --> 59:51.060 You're going to have to show me a little bit now, because I didn't, I was not able to make any of that. 59:51.060 --> 59:53.180 Yeah, well, yeah, the concept is easy. 59:53.460 --> 01:00:05.160 Once you understand, pretty much, you get all the tumblers down, and you just keep, I'm not sure the, the, the normal, uh, the actual name of the tools. 01:00:05.480 --> 01:00:10.900 You know, all I know is one is like a snake, and the other one is like an L shape. 01:00:10.960 --> 01:00:11.700 That's all I know. 01:00:11.700 --> 01:00:20.700 And basically, the snake one, you push down in the lock to push the tumblers down, and this L type shape tool is what you use to actually turn. 01:00:21.060 --> 01:00:22.900 Turn it to unlock it. 01:00:23.240 --> 01:00:25.620 Yeah, but you were, you were a total beginner going into this, right? 01:00:25.700 --> 01:00:26.560 So you actually learned. 01:00:26.700 --> 01:00:32.500 I mean, I, the first lock that I tried, I, I picked it in 10 seconds. 01:00:32.920 --> 01:00:33.080 Wow. 01:00:33.080 --> 01:00:33.720 It was that easy. 01:00:34.180 --> 01:00:35.260 Wow, very cool. 01:00:35.420 --> 01:00:40.640 Uh, the tools, basically, from what I gathered on my own, the tools are the most important. 01:00:40.640 --> 01:00:43.660 If you have some good tools, very easy. 01:00:44.080 --> 01:00:44.520 Wow. 01:00:44.700 --> 01:00:47.080 As well as, of course, knowing the lock. 01:00:47.360 --> 01:00:47.820 It helps. 01:00:47.980 --> 01:00:48.840 Right, right, right. 01:00:48.840 --> 01:00:53.060 Uh, they were even picking, uh, combination locks. 01:00:54.120 --> 01:00:54.520 You know? 01:00:55.200 --> 01:00:57.060 I'm like, Jesus Christ. 01:00:57.840 --> 01:00:58.460 These guys. 01:00:59.220 --> 01:01:00.720 Well, hey, that's their hobby. 01:01:00.840 --> 01:01:01.180 That's their thing, man. 01:01:01.180 --> 01:01:02.680 You know, I'm like, these guys are good. 01:01:03.000 --> 01:01:03.200 Hmm. 01:01:03.420 --> 01:01:05.820 But, uh, you know, I, yeah, I did pick a couple. 01:01:06.400 --> 01:01:06.840 Um. 01:01:06.840 --> 01:01:07.960 Yeah, that's good. 01:01:08.000 --> 01:01:12.920 I would like to learn that, too, but, again, I was, I was looking, you know, getting ready 01:01:12.920 --> 01:01:14.840 for my, uh, presentation and sleeping. 01:01:14.840 --> 01:01:16.280 Yeah, I was trying to get something done there, but, uh. 01:01:16.380 --> 01:01:22.200 Yeah, Saturday was a wash for me until I got up in time for, um, Wozniak's keynote, which 01:01:22.200 --> 01:01:24.400 is at one o'clock in, in conference room A. 01:01:25.360 --> 01:01:25.640 Right. 01:01:25.640 --> 01:01:27.000 So, I got up there to see Woz. 01:01:27.220 --> 01:01:27.580 Uh-huh. 01:01:27.880 --> 01:01:31.260 And, uh, it was the same thing as, same thing as with the others. 01:01:31.380 --> 01:01:35.820 I was kind of back at the booth, but I'd go out and wander, and I kind of caught most 01:01:35.820 --> 01:01:37.120 of it, half of it, you know? 01:01:37.320 --> 01:01:37.940 Right, yeah. 01:01:38.200 --> 01:01:39.700 So, I was there for most of that. 01:01:39.700 --> 01:01:47.280 And, actually, that's one of my big regrets was, I really, really wanted to go see, um, 01:01:47.860 --> 01:01:50.280 a presentation in room B, John Erickson. 01:01:50.640 --> 01:01:51.160 Oh, yeah. 01:01:51.160 --> 01:01:55.520 Who we raved about how great his book, his book is, and I'm still reading, and I still 01:01:55.520 --> 01:01:58.420 have it right here in front of me, Hacking the Art of Exploitation, right here in front 01:01:58.420 --> 01:01:58.640 of me. 01:01:59.280 --> 01:02:04.100 Um, he had an introduction to Disassembler, a presentation over in conference room B, but 01:02:04.100 --> 01:02:09.880 it was right in, right in the middle of Steve Wozniak's presentation. 01:02:10.200 --> 01:02:10.500 Right. 01:02:10.640 --> 01:02:14.420 So, doggone it, that was just bad timing that I couldn't make it over there for that. 01:02:15.000 --> 01:02:20.340 And, actually, I, I would have snuck out and left early to go to that, but I just lost 01:02:20.340 --> 01:02:22.020 track of time listening to Woz. 01:02:22.320 --> 01:02:24.840 Yeah, time goes quick when you're up in those rooms, man. 01:02:24.840 --> 01:02:28.440 Yeah, if I would have looked down at my watch, I would have excused myself to go watch that, 01:02:28.520 --> 01:02:30.040 and I just missed it, doggone it. 01:02:30.060 --> 01:02:32.500 So, that's another one I can't wait to see. 01:02:32.880 --> 01:02:33.140 Right. 01:02:33.140 --> 01:02:34.960 Um, the video footage of that one. 01:02:36.160 --> 01:02:41.820 So, I don't know if they, um, I don't know if we get copies of that as presenters or not. 01:02:41.860 --> 01:02:45.720 I don't know if we have to buy those or what, but we'll see how they release that and how 01:02:45.720 --> 01:02:46.240 much it costs. 01:02:46.300 --> 01:02:48.380 I don't mind paying for that stuff. 01:02:48.440 --> 01:02:48.780 Let's see. 01:02:49.340 --> 01:02:49.580 Yeah. 01:02:49.660 --> 01:02:55.940 Um, now, after the, let's see, after the keynote, I think I pretty much was done again because 01:02:55.940 --> 01:02:59.680 my presentation was at five, so I think I went down to the room, and I know you were 01:02:59.680 --> 01:03:01.240 down there with me for a little while. 01:03:01.580 --> 01:03:01.860 Yeah. 01:03:01.860 --> 01:03:06.900 Did you catch anything else between Waz and my presentation at five? 01:03:07.680 --> 01:03:08.780 Um, no. 01:03:09.120 --> 01:03:18.140 No, I think after Waz, I went to grab a bite, I think, from the Nathans downstairs, and then 01:03:18.140 --> 01:03:23.460 I came, I think that's when I went back to the room, and you were there trying to, um, 01:03:23.460 --> 01:03:26.960 you know, do the finishing touches on your presentation. 01:03:26.960 --> 01:03:27.340 Right. 01:03:27.340 --> 01:03:28.160 I believe that's for time. 01:03:28.500 --> 01:03:28.600 Right. 01:03:28.600 --> 01:03:34.340 And then you and I kind of sat down and just went over one last quick review, and you thought 01:03:34.340 --> 01:03:36.180 I was going to speed talk through the whole presentation. 01:03:36.180 --> 01:03:42.660 I was, yeah, well, yeah, I'm like, is he actually just rushing through this now, or is he, I hope 01:03:42.660 --> 01:03:45.740 he's not going to talk like this throughout the whole presentation. 01:03:45.740 --> 01:03:50.360 I was just visualizing, and I was just speaking real fast to make sure I had all my topics 01:03:50.360 --> 01:03:50.900 in line. 01:03:50.900 --> 01:03:57.120 So, yes, at five o'clock, I presented, and I was presenting opposite, over in conference 01:03:57.120 --> 01:04:02.860 room A, um, a presentation called Hackers in the Law, which I wouldn't have mind seeing, 01:04:02.980 --> 01:04:06.060 because they had representatives from the EFF there. 01:04:06.360 --> 01:04:09.760 And I, you know, we, I've said very much how much I support them. 01:04:09.860 --> 01:04:12.640 They're not just lawyers for hackers, as people have made that comment. 01:04:12.740 --> 01:04:13.320 They're not that. 01:04:13.380 --> 01:04:14.740 There's so much more than that. 01:04:15.120 --> 01:04:16.600 And I really wanted to have seen that. 01:04:16.660 --> 01:04:21.400 So that's, again, another one where, actually, I guess it's kind of a catch-22 for me. 01:04:21.480 --> 01:04:26.660 I wanted people to come see my presentation, but at the same time, I knew there was another 01:04:26.660 --> 01:04:30.020 good one going on over there, so that was a tough one. 01:04:30.040 --> 01:04:31.620 I really wanted to see that one as well. 01:04:31.620 --> 01:04:36.260 I joked on the forums about letting someone else give my presentation so I could go watch 01:04:36.260 --> 01:04:36.640 that. 01:04:38.460 --> 01:04:43.840 But, yes, I gave my presentation, and, um, again, I don't know. 01:04:43.940 --> 01:04:45.300 I feel like it went okay. 01:04:46.140 --> 01:04:50.420 Um, some people came up afterwards and said they enjoyed it, so I guess that's the bottom 01:04:50.420 --> 01:04:50.740 line. 01:04:50.820 --> 01:04:51.600 Some people liked it. 01:04:51.640 --> 01:04:53.280 If some didn't, hey, whatever. 01:04:53.380 --> 01:04:54.060 That's cool, too. 01:04:54.780 --> 01:04:56.300 So it was a relief to get it. 01:04:56.360 --> 01:04:57.740 It was a relief to be done with it. 01:04:57.740 --> 01:05:02.440 And, and, because I got it all done in time, when I went out to present, I felt pretty 01:05:02.440 --> 01:05:04.820 confident, even though you screwed up my slides. 01:05:05.620 --> 01:05:06.660 Well, no. 01:05:07.620 --> 01:05:07.940 No. 01:05:08.180 --> 01:05:09.680 I tried to, but I didn't. 01:05:10.040 --> 01:05:13.960 No, I don't know what happened, but somewhere there at the beginning, I had three slides 01:05:13.960 --> 01:05:15.180 somehow got out of order. 01:05:15.580 --> 01:05:16.640 So I had to kind of wing it. 01:05:16.660 --> 01:05:18.320 I had to kind of improvise there for a little bit. 01:05:18.320 --> 01:05:24.380 But what, but on the tabs at the bottom, were the numbers in sequence, or were they 01:05:24.380 --> 01:05:25.020 like... 01:05:25.020 --> 01:05:29.140 I don't, they weren't in sequence with the actual presentation itself. 01:05:29.860 --> 01:05:34.040 But the number tabs were saying 1, 2, 3, 4, through whatever. 01:05:34.820 --> 01:05:35.520 But the actual... 01:05:35.520 --> 01:05:36.720 Yes, they were in sequence. 01:05:36.800 --> 01:05:38.300 They were in sequence in open office. 01:05:38.940 --> 01:05:43.440 But over on PowerPoint, see, I think it, what I think probably happened, my laptop has a 01:05:43.440 --> 01:05:48.340 sensitive, um, uh, I don't even know what you call that little, uh, touch panel mouse 01:05:48.340 --> 01:05:48.780 thing. 01:05:49.380 --> 01:05:50.640 What do you call that little touch pad? 01:05:51.140 --> 01:05:51.420 Oh. 01:05:51.500 --> 01:05:52.300 It's very sensitive. 01:05:52.600 --> 01:05:53.120 Well, yeah, touch pad. 01:05:53.340 --> 01:05:53.820 Yeah, I'm... 01:05:53.820 --> 01:05:55.560 Mouse, touch, touch mouse pad? 01:05:55.700 --> 01:05:56.660 Whatever the thing is. 01:05:56.900 --> 01:05:57.320 Oh, okay. 01:05:57.400 --> 01:06:01.480 It's very sensitive, and I'm thinking maybe it got bumped and it drug a slide. 01:06:01.580 --> 01:06:02.660 It dragged one out of order. 01:06:02.760 --> 01:06:04.520 That's, I think it probably completely accident. 01:06:04.600 --> 01:06:05.640 We didn't even know what happened. 01:06:06.400 --> 01:06:10.880 So I think the ones on your laptop, the ones in, the open office ones that I gave you, 01:06:11.020 --> 01:06:11.220 Yeah. 01:06:11.220 --> 01:06:15.480 I think were in order, and I think somehow the PowerPoint at the last second there, when 01:06:15.480 --> 01:06:19.220 we were setting it up on the projector, I think it must have accidentally drug one out 01:06:19.220 --> 01:06:19.540 of order. 01:06:20.080 --> 01:06:20.800 I don't know. 01:06:21.060 --> 01:06:24.760 So either way, I think it didn't, it wasn't drastic or bad out of order. 01:06:24.860 --> 01:06:28.180 It was just like two slide came, two slides earlier than it should have. 01:06:28.220 --> 01:06:29.120 I don't know if anybody noticed. 01:06:29.220 --> 01:06:32.700 Somebody emailed me, let me know, was it obvious that, I know I covered my microphone 01:06:32.700 --> 01:06:34.620 and whispered to you, I'm like, uh-oh, something's out of order. 01:06:34.720 --> 01:06:37.120 Let me, I gotta figure out how to replace this. 01:06:37.720 --> 01:06:38.900 So, um, I don't know. 01:06:38.900 --> 01:06:42.100 I was going back and forth, I'm like, well, this is, this is only two. 01:06:42.400 --> 01:06:42.580 Yeah. 01:06:43.700 --> 01:06:46.920 So anyway, once we were through that, then I could breathe a sigh of relief and start 01:06:46.920 --> 01:06:49.240 enjoying the rest of the conference, um, well, a little bit. 01:06:49.360 --> 01:06:53.560 Um, Slip Mode's presentation was coming up later that night, and I sat up on the panel 01:06:53.560 --> 01:06:57.020 with him, but, um, that was a little easier because that was his presentation. 01:06:57.880 --> 01:06:59.100 And he did a great job, by the way. 01:06:59.140 --> 01:07:01.520 But before we jump ahead to that, did you catch anything else? 01:07:01.520 --> 01:07:05.600 I think, actually, we took another break after mine and went and got something to eat, didn't 01:07:05.600 --> 01:07:05.800 we? 01:07:06.080 --> 01:07:06.700 Uh, yeah. 01:07:06.820 --> 01:07:10.860 Well, actually, yeah, we went over and you were, you know, you still had about 50 people 01:07:10.860 --> 01:07:14.000 around you asking questions. 01:07:14.280 --> 01:07:14.600 Yeah. 01:07:14.940 --> 01:07:18.320 But you kind of like, walked them over to the booth, to the vendor area. 01:07:18.420 --> 01:07:20.660 Yeah, and I don't know if I should apologize. 01:07:20.900 --> 01:07:24.760 They really rush you off the, they don't rush you off the stage, but they, you know, they 01:07:24.760 --> 01:07:27.460 gently nudge you off the stage so the next person can come up. 01:07:27.480 --> 01:07:29.200 You don't have a lot of time between presentations. 01:07:29.200 --> 01:07:30.060 Right, right. 01:07:30.060 --> 01:07:33.680 So if anybody thought that I was blowing them off or brushing them or anything, I apologize. 01:07:33.980 --> 01:07:38.280 But I, my presentation, I practiced, and it was timed at exactly an hour. 01:07:38.400 --> 01:07:39.800 I knew I wasn't going to take questions. 01:07:39.880 --> 01:07:40.840 I wasn't going to have time. 01:07:41.520 --> 01:07:44.980 Um, unless some reason I got done a couple minutes early, so I knew that wasn't going to 01:07:44.980 --> 01:07:45.400 be the case. 01:07:45.480 --> 01:07:49.480 So I timed it at an hour, and I had to hurry up and give the next person their allotted 01:07:49.480 --> 01:07:49.800 time. 01:07:49.880 --> 01:07:55.300 We didn't want to run over, like some other presenters did, on Sunday. 01:07:56.620 --> 01:07:58.960 Um, so anyway, yeah. 01:07:58.960 --> 01:08:03.740 We moved over to, um, the vendor area and kind of cleared out the room a little bit, met 01:08:03.740 --> 01:08:07.340 a bunch of great people, and some of them, we read their emails last week, as a matter 01:08:07.340 --> 01:08:07.760 of fact. 01:08:08.520 --> 01:08:10.880 Um, so that was really cool. 01:08:10.940 --> 01:08:13.460 And then, yes, another trip to White Castle. 01:08:13.960 --> 01:08:16.100 Yeah, that's White Castle three times a day. 01:08:16.240 --> 01:08:17.280 Oh, White Castle. 01:08:17.820 --> 01:08:19.540 Food, that's good stuff, man. 01:08:20.360 --> 01:08:20.580 Oh. 01:08:20.580 --> 01:08:20.780 Oh. 01:08:20.980 --> 01:08:23.440 By the way, uh, this might be a little off topic, but. 01:08:23.500 --> 01:08:24.020 That's all right. 01:08:24.320 --> 01:08:30.300 Did you see, um, I don't know if you can get it up there, but I saw a commercial about some 01:08:30.300 --> 01:08:31.920 movie coming about something about. 01:08:32.000 --> 01:08:33.220 Yeah, they had ads for that movie. 01:08:33.340 --> 01:08:34.180 The White Castle or something? 01:08:34.240 --> 01:08:36.080 Yeah, they had ads for that movie in the White Castle. 01:08:36.140 --> 01:08:36.680 You didn't see them? 01:08:37.620 --> 01:08:39.120 Uh, not really. 01:08:39.120 --> 01:08:40.700 Yeah, they had posters up in the White Castle. 01:08:40.840 --> 01:08:44.780 It was like, I don't know, Harold and Kumar go to White Castle or something like that. 01:08:44.800 --> 01:08:45.400 Something like that, okay. 01:08:45.400 --> 01:08:45.600 Yeah. 01:08:46.100 --> 01:08:46.460 Okay. 01:08:47.860 --> 01:08:52.280 Oh, so yeah, I had a little White Castle, and as long as we're going off topic, maybe 01:08:52.280 --> 01:08:54.040 we should tell the little White Castle story. 01:08:54.560 --> 01:08:57.320 Well, actually, I was, uh, next door getting the, uh. 01:08:57.420 --> 01:08:58.620 Oh, that's right, you missed it. 01:08:58.640 --> 01:08:59.400 I wasn't in there. 01:08:59.600 --> 01:09:01.400 Yeah, I forgot, you missed that. 01:09:01.520 --> 01:09:02.940 That, oh, that was so funny. 01:09:03.260 --> 01:09:05.300 Well, it was funny at the beginning. 01:09:05.300 --> 01:09:10.840 We were in White Castle, and, um, yeah, I'm, alright, this is a tangent, I'm going 01:09:10.840 --> 01:09:14.900 off on a little tangent, and let me, let me check our time here, because, uh, we got 01:09:14.900 --> 01:09:19.280 about 10 or 15 minutes, and we still got to cover the rest of Saturday and Sunday, so 01:09:19.280 --> 01:09:21.180 I'll make this a quick tangent. 01:09:21.800 --> 01:09:26.320 Um, I, I haven't had White Castle in seven or eight years. 01:09:26.920 --> 01:09:28.480 They don't have them down here in Florida. 01:09:28.680 --> 01:09:32.880 So when I got, when I found out there was a White Castle three blocks, four blocks from 01:09:32.880 --> 01:09:36.580 the hotel, I was eating a lot of White Castle that week. 01:09:36.580 --> 01:09:45.160 So, we went to White Castle, and I think M2 Mike was with us, I think, I know Natus 01:09:45.160 --> 01:09:48.520 was there, I think you and Not Theory went next door for pizza, right? 01:09:48.620 --> 01:09:48.820 Right. 01:09:49.680 --> 01:09:58.760 And, let's see, Cessna, Natus, M2 Mike, I think, and it might have been Sub-Zero, I think it 01:09:58.760 --> 01:09:59.900 was Sub-Zero with us. 01:10:00.200 --> 01:10:00.500 Right. 01:10:00.500 --> 01:10:06.340 Anyway, um, Natus and I ordered first, and we were already done, and we went and sat down 01:10:06.340 --> 01:10:10.860 to get a table while we were waiting on our food, and Natus, being the little troublemaker 01:10:10.860 --> 01:10:17.200 he is, and me, being the troublemaker that I am sometimes, when we were, when we were in 01:10:17.200 --> 01:10:22.600 line ordering, this person, this gentleman, well, this bum, okay, let's call it like it 01:10:22.600 --> 01:10:27.200 is, this bum, came in with some, some hot watches he was trying to pawn. 01:10:27.200 --> 01:10:30.960 Well, I assume they're hot, I don't know if they were or not, but he's trying to sell 01:10:30.960 --> 01:10:36.200 some watches to the, to the couple in line behind us, and we just kind of ignored it, 01:10:36.220 --> 01:10:41.140 we didn't want, so, we went and sat down and got a table, while the young lady behind the 01:10:41.140 --> 01:10:45.500 counter yelled at the guy, said, hey, you can't come sell that in here, and the guy's 01:10:45.500 --> 01:10:49.680 like, uh, the guy turned around and started to leave, and when he walked by, he kind of 01:10:49.680 --> 01:10:54.020 looked at me, showed me the watch, you want them, and I said, how much? Well, I probably 01:10:54.020 --> 01:10:59.200 shouldn't have done that, now looking in retrospect, I asked him how much, I don't care if they're 01:10:59.200 --> 01:11:03.240 hot, I don't care, I'll, if it was a, a Rolex, or a Relox, or something, I don't care if it's 01:11:03.240 --> 01:11:07.880 a fake Rolex, I'll, I don't care, take that back as a gift or something like that, so I 01:11:07.880 --> 01:11:12.640 asked him how much, he wanted ten bucks for the watches, well, um, the lady yelled at 01:11:12.640 --> 01:11:15.860 him again, said, hey, you can't sell that in here, and I'm like, oh, great, I got the guy 01:11:15.860 --> 01:11:19.780 in trouble, right, I shouldn't have even said anything, well, the dude snapped at her 01:11:19.780 --> 01:11:24.220 and started saying, I'm not selling anything, I was just talking to somebody, we just talking, 01:11:24.280 --> 01:11:28.780 ain't nobody selling nothing, obviously, he was trying to sell the things, you know, and 01:11:28.780 --> 01:11:33.380 I felt bad I stirred it up, but, that's no excuse for what he did, he started getting 01:11:33.380 --> 01:11:39.200 very irate, and just basically going crazy, he was, he was a pretty shifty looking dude 01:11:39.200 --> 01:11:45.080 anyway, he started snapping at the girl, going back and forth, and he was obviously, he was 01:11:45.080 --> 01:11:49.100 loving the attention, everybody in the restaurant was staring at him, laughing at him and stuff, 01:11:49.480 --> 01:11:52.320 and he was yelling at the girl, saying, you can't do this, you can't do that, the girl 01:11:52.320 --> 01:11:56.800 was pushing the little panic button to get the cops, which I think basically takes 15 01:11:56.800 --> 01:12:02.240 or 20 minutes, so, yeah, there's no, yeah, there's no panic going on, that panic button 01:12:02.240 --> 01:12:06.080 isn't going to help you, but, uh, yeah, she was telling him he had to get out, and he was 01:12:06.080 --> 01:12:09.040 snapping back at her, saying, you don't know what you're talking about, I'm not doing 01:12:09.040 --> 01:12:15.020 this, you can't make me leave, blah, blah, blah, but, we were still laughing 01:12:15.020 --> 01:12:18.500 because we were, you know, we thought it was funny, the crazy guy yelling at the, at 01:12:18.500 --> 01:12:23.160 the White Castle people, you know, so he started, he would walk out, and then he'd come back 01:12:23.160 --> 01:12:26.160 in, because he wanted, he loved that attention, you could tell, he wanted the attention, he 01:12:26.160 --> 01:12:30.140 was raising a fuss, just making a scene, because he wanted to be, you know, wanted to be heard, 01:12:30.960 --> 01:12:35.980 so he kept walking back and forth, and walking back and forth, and I know you had to be there, 01:12:36.020 --> 01:12:40.080 this story's probably lost, and it's not as funny to everyone else, but he came back in 01:12:40.080 --> 01:12:43.480 this last time, and he's, like, making up, yeah, it's like, he kept going back and forth 01:12:43.480 --> 01:12:47.200 so many times, he obviously started making up stuff to yell at, that he didn't, he ran 01:12:47.200 --> 01:12:51.400 out of stuff to yell at, so he, he turned back this one last time, and Addis and I were 01:12:51.400 --> 01:12:55.360 sitting off to the side, and he came back one last time, and he goes, oh yeah, another 01:12:55.360 --> 01:12:59.160 thing, he said, what about all those times I come in, I order chicken, and y'all won't 01:12:59.160 --> 01:13:04.820 let me use your bathroom, your bathroom's all messed up, so it's like, hey, that was, 01:13:04.940 --> 01:13:08.160 that was hilarious, because it's like, what does that have to do with you selling 01:13:08.160 --> 01:13:11.740 water, what does that have to do with anything, he was just trying to look for something to 01:13:11.740 --> 01:13:17.560 yell at for, you know, but Addis and I, being the troublemakers, we both almost in unison 01:13:17.560 --> 01:13:24.160 were like, yeah, what about that, instigating and stirring him up even more, which he doubled 01:13:24.160 --> 01:13:28.240 back again, like, yeah, your bathroom all messed up, and we were just laughing, because 01:13:28.240 --> 01:13:32.300 we were instigating it, but then it wasn't funny anymore, because the next thing he said 01:13:32.300 --> 01:13:35.380 was, oh, he said to the little girl, he said, you think something's funny, little girl, 01:13:35.380 --> 01:13:38.560 you think something's funny, I'll come back in a few minutes, and I'll clear this whole 01:13:38.560 --> 01:13:45.920 place out, and I'm like, you know what, I think it's time for us to go, we got our food, 01:13:46.060 --> 01:13:49.120 and we got the hell out of Dodge, he was all talk, I'm sure he didn't do anything, but 01:13:49.120 --> 01:13:54.920 it was like, okay, you crossed the line there, crazy guy, what about the first day, the first 01:13:54.920 --> 01:13:59.740 day you went into White Castle, with the guy with the brown sweatsuit that's sweating 01:13:59.740 --> 01:14:04.020 bullets, oh, he was a crackhead, dude, he was on crank, and he's walking around with 01:14:04.020 --> 01:14:09.140 this garbage bag with God knows what in it, yeah, who knows what it was, he was hopped 01:14:09.140 --> 01:14:16.720 up on something, it's a, it's like, it's, it was hot outside, it was like, it was, it 01:14:16.720 --> 01:14:21.160 was warm, it wasn't hot, it was warm, you know, but this guy was sweating like he was 01:14:21.160 --> 01:14:28.920 in the Sahara Desert, he's got this sweatsuit on, yeah, it was just, White Castle is the 01:14:28.920 --> 01:14:33.640 place to be, that's all I'm saying, anyway, let's jump back on this before we run out 01:14:33.640 --> 01:14:40.180 of time here, back to the presentations, I didn't make, from between my session, we went 01:14:40.180 --> 01:14:44.380 and got food, by the time we got back, we were in time to talk to Slip Mode and prepare 01:14:44.380 --> 01:14:51.240 for his Hacker Radio presentation, that was at 9 o'clock, I think, 9 o'clock in B, and 01:14:51.240 --> 01:14:55.840 he gave a presentation on Hacker Radio, and how it's been coming up, and some of the future 01:14:55.840 --> 01:15:00.380 of where it's going, some technical talk of how to, and stuff like that, and dual parallel 01:15:00.380 --> 01:15:03.960 and myself were up on the panel with him, and spoke, we each spoke for a few minutes 01:15:03.960 --> 01:15:09.840 about our respective shows, and Slip Mode did a great job on that, like I said, he and 01:15:09.840 --> 01:15:14.260 I worked on it the night before, and I know he made a lot of additions to it, so that turned 01:15:14.260 --> 01:15:17.020 out really, really good, so congratulations to him. 01:15:17.020 --> 01:15:23.760 Um, and, after that, I think, that, we called it the night for that, I think that's when 01:15:23.760 --> 01:15:27.660 we went out and did our urban exploration down the High Line, I think it was Saturday 01:15:27.660 --> 01:15:28.040 night. 01:15:28.320 --> 01:15:29.280 No, we actually, 01:15:29.400 --> 01:15:29.700 Was it? 01:15:29.820 --> 01:15:30.140 Well. 01:15:30.520 --> 01:15:30.980 What did we do? 01:15:31.020 --> 01:15:31.600 We went to a bar. 01:15:31.600 --> 01:15:33.780 We went to our Grand Central, I think, that night. 01:15:34.180 --> 01:15:34.780 Was that it? 01:15:35.600 --> 01:15:35.920 Uh. 01:15:36.560 --> 01:15:39.180 You may be right, yeah, I think you are right, actually, or was that Sunday? 01:15:39.820 --> 01:15:41.280 No, that was Sunday, because it was after. 01:15:41.280 --> 01:15:41.360 Saturday. 01:15:41.360 --> 01:15:45.480 Yeah, I think Saturday we went to that little bar down, that old Irish pub, with a bunch 01:15:45.480 --> 01:15:48.680 of the guys down there, or at least I did, I don't think you, I don't know if you made 01:15:48.680 --> 01:15:48.980 that. 01:15:49.460 --> 01:15:53.760 Uh, yeah, I got there, yeah, a little bit late, yeah, but I got there with a couple 01:15:53.760 --> 01:15:54.360 things there. 01:15:54.540 --> 01:15:55.600 Oh, yeah, you snuck up behind me. 01:15:56.800 --> 01:15:58.820 Yeah, yeah, you know, you're trying to take a picture of the, uh. 01:15:58.980 --> 01:15:59.340 Yeah. 01:16:00.360 --> 01:16:00.900 But, uh. 01:16:01.360 --> 01:16:06.580 So, yeah, unfortunately I didn't make any more of the presentations that night, Saturday. 01:16:06.960 --> 01:16:09.900 I think the last presentation was, what, at 11 o'clock? 01:16:09.900 --> 01:16:14.900 Um, yeah, I think, and they, I don't know, some of, some of them went, since they were 01:16:14.900 --> 01:16:17.380 the last one, I think they had some leeway of how long they could go. 01:16:17.600 --> 01:16:17.920 Right. 01:16:18.560 --> 01:16:21.660 Now, on to Sunday, because we've only got five or six minutes left, and I don't want 01:16:21.660 --> 01:16:26.900 to make a part three out of this, um, let's see, Sunday, um, I spent a lot of time at 01:16:26.900 --> 01:16:34.680 the booth, um, I'm looking at the list now, I didn't make, let's see, Cheshire's Ranch 01:16:34.680 --> 01:16:36.140 Session, I didn't make that. 01:16:36.300 --> 01:16:36.820 The ASE. 01:16:37.660 --> 01:16:38.460 Tactical Media. 01:16:38.460 --> 01:16:43.620 Um, the Honey Pot's, like, I don't know, I wouldn't mind seeing that one. 01:16:44.280 --> 01:16:47.960 Um, Jason Scott, I missed his, unfortunately, Preserving Digital History, A Quick and Dirty 01:16:47.960 --> 01:16:53.260 Guide, but I've met Jason Scott, we've had him on RFA before, uh, spoken to him before, 01:16:53.320 --> 01:16:57.380 he's a good guy, so, um, you know, I knew kind of a lot of what he was going to be talking 01:16:57.380 --> 01:16:57.580 about. 01:16:57.580 --> 01:17:02.460 I still wanted to see it, the actual presentation itself, but I missed that one, uh, that was 01:17:02.460 --> 01:17:03.340 at 11 o'clock. 01:17:03.340 --> 01:17:12.000 Um, let's see, retrocomputing, there was an urban exploration panel, I didn't, um, I didn't 01:17:12.000 --> 01:17:12.840 catch that one. 01:17:12.840 --> 01:17:16.360 Oh, you were there for Jell-O, though. 01:17:16.660 --> 01:17:20.620 Yeah, you know what, actually, I did catch a little bit of the urban exploration, I was, 01:17:20.780 --> 01:17:26.080 I remember them talking about asbestos, I remember them showing some, uh, talking about wearing, 01:17:26.080 --> 01:17:30.000 uh, masks if you went to someplace you thought might be having asbestos and some stuff like 01:17:30.000 --> 01:17:30.320 that. 01:17:30.320 --> 01:17:34.820 Um, because I was curious, how do you present a panel on urban exploration, that's one of 01:17:34.820 --> 01:17:39.200 those things you have to do and see, it's very visual, a hack TV kind of, it's a video 01:17:39.200 --> 01:17:43.160 segment, like White Sword TV, you know, it's not something you can describe easily on a 01:17:43.160 --> 01:17:47.380 panel, so that was a tough, a tough thing to present, but I, from what I saw, they seem 01:17:47.380 --> 01:17:56.300 to have done a pretty good, um, um, and the SC, yes, Jell-O-Biofra, for God's sake, I could 01:17:56.300 --> 01:18:05.420 not avoid that one, I was back there at the, at the, the vendor's booth, trying not to listen 01:18:05.420 --> 01:18:10.040 to it, and the one that I didn't want to listen to, that was getting on my last nerve, that stupid 01:18:10.040 --> 01:18:14.540 presentation from Jell-O-Biofra, I couldn't avoid that damn thing. 01:18:15.820 --> 01:18:17.460 It was a little bit long-winded. 01:18:17.640 --> 01:18:21.740 Yeah, and I think, from what I understand, I think he went well over us a lot of time, and 01:18:21.740 --> 01:18:26.940 was very difficult, from what I've heard, in retrospect, gave the security guys a hard 01:18:26.940 --> 01:18:31.080 time, had a lot of attitude with people in general, that's all hearsay, I heard that 01:18:31.080 --> 01:18:34.620 second hand, I don't know, I didn't talk to the guy personally, all I'm knowing is this, 01:18:34.680 --> 01:18:41.020 all I know is this presentation was annoying as hell, so, in my personal opinion, of course, 01:18:41.020 --> 01:18:48.080 which may not count for anything to some people, to most people, um, and social engineering 01:18:48.080 --> 01:18:55.760 panel, we were there for that, which was after Jell-O, and closing ceremonies was pretty 01:18:55.760 --> 01:18:57.660 much the next one, closing ceremonies. 01:18:59.580 --> 01:19:08.120 I missed, I thought, um, did I miss, um, I thought Acidus gave another presentation, I 01:19:08.120 --> 01:19:15.700 thought he did, um, a presentation on, um, on Magstripe, on, uh, card reading, did I miss 01:19:15.700 --> 01:19:20.800 that on the list somewhere, I'm not sure, anyway, I thought he had given a presentation, 01:19:20.980 --> 01:19:24.920 or at least I heard he was, yeah, I think I remember hearing something like that, yeah, 01:19:25.000 --> 01:19:30.160 and I wanted to see that, but, um, yeah, I missed that one as well, just, uh, so much 01:19:30.160 --> 01:19:34.640 to do in so little time, so, definitely want to catch up on a lot of these, uh, the closing 01:19:34.640 --> 01:19:39.120 ceremonies, that was just a, pardon my language, but that was just a cluster, well, I won't, 01:19:39.200 --> 01:19:44.540 I'll, I'll control my language, I'll watch how adult I can be, that was just a mess. 01:19:45.700 --> 01:19:50.840 They didn't have any organization, people had donated prizes, I thought it was very rude 01:19:50.840 --> 01:19:54.360 for them not to have given credit to people for the prizes that they donated and stuff, 01:19:54.420 --> 01:19:58.300 you could have said, this was donated by No Starch Press, this was donated by such and 01:19:58.300 --> 01:20:01.700 such, but they didn't, it was just like, come on up here and grab something. 01:20:03.220 --> 01:20:08.100 And, they didn't have any way of giving the prizes out properly, and they started rolling 01:20:08.100 --> 01:20:09.560 dice for God's sake. 01:20:10.660 --> 01:20:13.860 How tacky, what is this, a Dungeons and Dragons convention? 01:20:13.860 --> 01:20:16.340 Come on, man, seriously. 01:20:16.860 --> 01:20:19.360 And then they whipped up, I was like, come on, you want me to write you a little script 01:20:19.360 --> 01:20:21.700 or a little program that'll give you a random number? 01:20:22.340 --> 01:20:25.200 And that's what they ended up doing, somebody wrote a quick little program, I think, I don't 01:20:25.200 --> 01:20:28.800 know how it was written or how well it was, because it seemed to be, the numbers seemed 01:20:28.800 --> 01:20:31.760 to be all pretty close together, if you ask me, but hey, whatever. 01:20:31.760 --> 01:20:33.760 It was on the 1200 count or something. 01:20:33.760 --> 01:20:37.940 But yeah, we, I guess we're going to have to wrap this up pretty quickly, because we 01:20:37.940 --> 01:20:40.040 got, yeah, four or five minutes. 01:20:40.880 --> 01:20:46.440 All in all, don't get me wrong, I'm about to say something that really turned me off about 01:20:46.440 --> 01:20:51.660 the whole thing, and I know you and I might not agree on this, but regardless of that, 01:20:51.760 --> 01:20:52.800 it was a great convention. 01:20:52.960 --> 01:20:59.360 I enjoyed meeting everybody, a lot of good talks, some bad talks, but for the most part, 01:20:59.360 --> 01:21:03.820 I had a fantastic time, and I wouldn't change it for the world, it was a great time up there, 01:21:03.900 --> 01:21:07.880 as well as, you know, the time we spent afterwards enjoying New York City. 01:21:08.600 --> 01:21:12.620 However, and before I go into my however, did you want to add? 01:21:14.780 --> 01:21:15.180 No. 01:21:15.420 --> 01:21:16.380 Okay, however. 01:21:16.380 --> 01:21:25.500 Okay, you guys can send me hate mail all you want for saying this, but dammit, I flew to 01:21:25.500 --> 01:21:33.880 New York City to go to a hacking convention, I didn't go to a bush bashing convention, I 01:21:33.880 --> 01:21:41.180 didn't go to a political convention, I didn't go up there to hear Jell-O by Offra bitch and 01:21:41.180 --> 01:21:46.640 moan and complain about how terrible the government is, I'm not saying whether I agree or disagree 01:21:46.640 --> 01:21:51.200 with it, I actually agree, I think the government does a lot of stupid things, but that's not 01:21:51.200 --> 01:21:58.220 why I went, so it doesn't matter if I agree with this person, if I do like Bush or I don't 01:21:58.220 --> 01:22:03.380 like Bush, I don't care, it's irrelevant of who you support or who you don't support, 01:22:03.480 --> 01:22:09.380 what your party cause is or blah, blah, blah, I just don't see how it was appropriate or 01:22:09.380 --> 01:22:14.700 any way related to hacking for them to have all this political content. 01:22:14.700 --> 01:22:21.260 If it's privacy, yes, I can see that as being related, privacy, it can be digital rights 01:22:21.260 --> 01:22:26.820 and things like that where it is somewhat related, that I can see, but Jell-O by Offra 01:22:26.820 --> 01:22:34.500 spent two hours plus digging on the President and his administration, hey, that's fine, if 01:22:34.500 --> 01:22:39.040 you agree with it, don't agree with it, that's all fine, I'm just saying go present that at 01:22:39.040 --> 01:22:46.160 the Democratic National Convention, not at the HOPE Conference, so my whole comment is 01:22:46.160 --> 01:22:50.520 not about what they said or whether I agree or disagree, that's irrelevant, my whole comment 01:22:50.520 --> 01:22:57.420 is that's, to me, not what a hacking convention is about, so they did have a lot of technical 01:22:57.420 --> 01:23:01.520 stuff and I did enjoy myself, but I did want to say that I've been holding that in for a 01:23:01.520 --> 01:23:08.040 while now, I was thoroughly, thoroughly disappointed at a giant George Bush with a Hitler mustache, 01:23:08.040 --> 01:23:14.500 I was very uncomfortable with this armband on, you know, and they give you armbands instead 01:23:14.500 --> 01:23:19.220 of cards or anything to get you in and out of the convention, it was an armband, and here 01:23:19.220 --> 01:23:25.000 I am up on this podium in front of a giant poster of Hitler, George Bush as Hitler, I don't 01:23:25.000 --> 01:23:29.160 care, 1984, sure, I understand it's from the comic book, that's all fine and dandy, but 01:23:29.160 --> 01:23:33.620 basically here I am in an armband in front of a giant Hitler-like poster with these banners 01:23:33.620 --> 01:23:37.940 around and I wasn't comfortable, I presented off to the side, I did not present 01:23:37.940 --> 01:23:42.080 from my main podium, because I didn't want to be on camera in front of such a scenario, 01:23:42.400 --> 01:23:45.960 but at the same time I didn't want to stir up trouble or anything, so I just presented 01:23:45.960 --> 01:23:51.520 from over on the side, so in case anybody was wondering why I did that, now you know, 01:23:51.660 --> 01:23:55.700 I wasn't comfortable with that, so I just don't see where that has anything to do with 01:23:55.700 --> 01:24:02.360 hacking, I went to talk and learn and hear and discuss technology, so, you know, again 01:24:02.360 --> 01:24:06.220 that's something we've said about our magazine too, we try to make the magazine, Binary Revolution 01:24:06.220 --> 01:24:11.740 magazine, and this radio show, we try to avoid technology, we'll touch on it, we'll try to 01:24:11.740 --> 01:24:16.140 quickly move through it if we have to, but I'm all about the technology, man, that's what 01:24:16.140 --> 01:24:21.260 I'm in hacking for, that's what I enjoy, and I just wish they would have stayed more with 01:24:21.260 --> 01:24:28.960 that, I guess that's it, I wasn't, you know, if people disagree, they know they can contact 01:24:28.960 --> 01:24:34.380 us letters at Bin, oh, excuse me, radio at BinRev.com, or letters at BinRev.com works 01:24:34.380 --> 01:24:42.380 too, but that's more for feedback on the magazine, and I guess that's pretty much it, unless you 01:24:42.380 --> 01:24:45.740 wanted to add or disagree, or... 01:24:45.740 --> 01:24:50.340 Well, I don't know, I thought it was good, there were a couple of things that I had issue 01:24:50.340 --> 01:24:56.680 itch, which I won't talk about, but, you know, it was just disgusting, but anyway. 01:24:56.760 --> 01:24:58.400 Yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about. 01:24:58.400 --> 01:25:04.400 But, you know, the banners and all the arm bands and all that, it didn't tick me off as 01:25:04.400 --> 01:25:12.560 much as it did you, I can get past that, you know, yes, I thought it was a little bit 01:25:12.560 --> 01:25:17.340 too political, but I guess, at the same time, I guess they're trying to make a statement 01:25:17.340 --> 01:25:23.260 because the Republican National Convention was, you know, there, people were there looking 01:25:23.260 --> 01:25:25.540 around, and this kind of thing, I don't know. 01:25:25.800 --> 01:25:26.020 Yeah. 01:25:26.100 --> 01:25:31.620 Anyway, yes, we could have done without it, but for whatever reason, they decided to do 01:25:31.620 --> 01:25:32.640 it, no big deal. 01:25:32.760 --> 01:25:34.180 Yeah, and I dealt with it, I dealt with it. 01:25:34.180 --> 01:25:35.480 But I really don't give a damn. 01:25:35.620 --> 01:25:35.920 Yeah. 01:25:37.040 --> 01:25:41.380 I went around it as much as I could and dealt with it, but I just, they had, plus they had 01:25:41.380 --> 01:25:46.380 a couple different themes, they had Watch the Watchers, which I think that by itself 01:25:46.380 --> 01:25:47.900 would have been a great overall theme. 01:25:48.060 --> 01:25:48.980 Yes, I like that. 01:25:49.620 --> 01:25:53.940 Be the Media, I think that also would have been a great overall theme, in and of itself, 01:25:54.040 --> 01:25:54.620 by itself. 01:25:54.820 --> 01:25:55.140 Right. 01:25:55.440 --> 01:26:00.160 And then they had the whole 1984 Big Brothers watching, and that was the overall theme. 01:26:00.340 --> 01:26:05.560 And yes, I know that it was supposed to be George Bush as Big Brother, not Hitler, not, 01:26:05.680 --> 01:26:10.940 you know, it was a whole 1984 play on Big Brothers watching, I understand that. 01:26:10.940 --> 01:26:13.300 I just think it crossed a little bit too much. 01:26:15.080 --> 01:26:18.820 But yeah, the other two sub-themes, I think those would have stood alone very well. 01:26:19.260 --> 01:26:20.220 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:26:20.360 --> 01:26:21.160 They were still good. 01:26:21.260 --> 01:26:26.500 It was like, yeah, they had multiple themes going around, so I guess, you know, it was 01:26:26.500 --> 01:26:27.020 pretty good. 01:26:27.300 --> 01:26:27.480 Yeah. 01:26:27.680 --> 01:26:31.780 Well, we're going to have to wrap it up, because we are full up on time, over our time. 01:26:31.960 --> 01:26:35.480 We've turned in, it used to be a show that we were supposed to be an hour long. 01:26:35.960 --> 01:26:37.400 Sometimes we'd go over a little bit. 01:26:37.400 --> 01:26:39.980 But we have an extra half hour, just in case we go over. 01:26:40.500 --> 01:26:44.900 We are regularly doing an hour and a half show now, every single week. 01:26:45.040 --> 01:26:47.140 So, we are about at that hour and a half now. 01:26:47.580 --> 01:26:48.700 So, we're going to wrap it up. 01:26:49.100 --> 01:26:55.640 I got some shouts I wanted to give to El Diablo, representing DC305, I mentioned earlier. 01:26:56.220 --> 01:26:59.020 New Hack City, Hack City 305. 01:26:59.020 --> 01:27:00.400 So, shouts to him. 01:27:02.300 --> 01:27:03.500 To Josh. 01:27:03.940 --> 01:27:06.460 Josh, if you're listening, yes, you're right. 01:27:06.560 --> 01:27:07.960 I do check my referrals. 01:27:08.400 --> 01:27:09.480 So, thanks for the linkage. 01:27:09.660 --> 01:27:10.380 I did see that. 01:27:10.460 --> 01:27:11.440 So, shouts out to him. 01:27:12.840 --> 01:27:14.860 Also, we didn't do this last week. 01:27:15.340 --> 01:27:21.160 The guy that helped pimp your magazine all weekend at No Starch Press. 01:27:21.880 --> 01:27:22.580 Oh, yeah. 01:27:22.920 --> 01:27:23.720 You know, I... 01:27:23.720 --> 01:27:31.340 I don't remember his name, but he was, like, pimping the magazine more than he was pimping his books and stuff, you know? 01:27:31.560 --> 01:27:32.940 Yeah, very, very cool guy. 01:27:33.140 --> 01:27:36.520 And actually, we'll bring that up on a later show, too. 01:27:36.600 --> 01:27:40.300 Especially if I can get John Erickson on the show, possibly. 01:27:40.780 --> 01:27:42.160 We'll bring up that and some other things. 01:27:42.160 --> 01:27:45.340 Because, yes, he was very nice, and I spoke with him on some other issues. 01:27:46.040 --> 01:27:48.280 Some other ideas of working with him on some things. 01:27:48.600 --> 01:27:50.360 So, yeah, definitely very cool. 01:27:51.160 --> 01:27:56.160 Um, and, uh, again, radio at binrev.com if you want to email us. 01:27:56.280 --> 01:27:58.960 Uh, article submissions for 2.2 of the magazine. 01:27:59.080 --> 01:28:00.580 Articles at binrev.com. 01:28:01.240 --> 01:28:04.780 And tonight's closing music is a new track from Brad Sucks. 01:28:04.880 --> 01:28:06.140 Somebody we play quite a bit on here. 01:28:06.180 --> 01:28:07.100 I really like his music. 01:28:07.460 --> 01:28:09.700 And this track is called Certain Death. 01:28:10.580 --> 01:28:13.880 So, ZeroDB, thank you very much for being on the show yet again. 01:28:14.020 --> 01:28:16.400 Thank you for going to the conference with me. 01:28:16.420 --> 01:28:17.100 I had a good time. 01:28:17.220 --> 01:28:17.520 It was good. 01:28:18.140 --> 01:28:19.380 I'm glad it was you and I. 01:28:19.380 --> 01:28:20.280 I'm glad you and I went. 01:28:20.400 --> 01:28:21.080 And Cy Pete also. 01:28:21.160 --> 01:28:24.000 I'm glad that we went because you and I get along real well. 01:28:24.100 --> 01:28:25.520 And we both kind of did our thing. 01:28:25.640 --> 01:28:26.960 But at the same time, we hung out. 01:28:27.020 --> 01:28:28.200 I think it worked out very good. 01:28:28.520 --> 01:28:30.180 So, I had a great time. 01:28:30.280 --> 01:28:33.960 Even though I kind of said I didn't like the political, don't let that fool you. 01:28:34.040 --> 01:28:37.900 I had a blast at the conference and at New York City. 01:28:38.040 --> 01:28:39.700 So, don't mistake that. 01:28:40.360 --> 01:28:42.460 So, everyone listening, we're going to wrap it up. 01:28:42.780 --> 01:28:44.320 We'll see you guys next week. 01:28:44.400 --> 01:28:45.160 Same hack time. 01:28:45.340 --> 01:28:46.160 Same hack channel. 01:28:46.160 --> 01:28:47.100 Peace out. 01:28:47.100 --> 01:28:48.020 Peace out. 01:28:48.020 --> 01:28:59.540 Okay, I see you're feeling all alone 01:28:59.540 --> 01:29:02.880 I heard it on the radio 01:29:02.880 --> 01:29:06.880 We can hear a broadcast from the sky 01:29:06.880 --> 01:29:14.160 And someday I'm gonna rock and roll 01:29:14.160 --> 01:29:17.980 And I'm gonna want to know 01:29:17.980 --> 01:29:21.500 What's going to be outside 01:29:21.500 --> 01:29:29.380 Keep me up with your emotions 01:29:29.380 --> 01:29:34.560 And I, they can't shoot me down 01:29:34.560 --> 01:29:36.700 Over the ocean 01:29:36.700 --> 01:29:41.220 It's time to surrender 01:29:41.220 --> 01:29:45.340 And I'm gonna go hard to get 01:29:45.340 --> 01:29:49.000 Maybe by the time we meet 01:29:49.000 --> 01:29:53.040 You ain't about to change in me 01:29:53.040 --> 01:29:56.560 And it's certain death 01:29:56.560 --> 01:30:00.100 I'm gonna have no chance to get 01:30:00.100 --> 01:30:03.740 Maybe by the time we meet 01:30:03.740 --> 01:30:07.940 You ain't about to change in me 01:30:07.940 --> 01:30:13.660 Yeah, I can count the times that it closed my mind 01:30:13.660 --> 01:30:17.140 Sick in bed and dying 01:30:17.140 --> 01:30:20.840 For something I'll have 01:30:20.840 --> 01:30:23.440 And we'll never have 01:30:23.440 --> 01:30:29.660 Your best friend won't be your friends anymore 01:30:29.660 --> 01:30:33.440 Won't pretend anymore 01:30:33.440 --> 01:30:35.540 To let you down 01:30:35.540 --> 01:30:37.160 Try 01:30:37.160 --> 01:30:42.920 Keep me up with your emotions 01:30:42.920 --> 01:30:44.680 At night 01:30:44.680 --> 01:30:46.220 We can 01:30:46.220 --> 01:30:48.400 Shoot me down 01:30:48.400 --> 01:30:50.400 Over the ocean 01:30:50.400 --> 01:30:51.900 And inside 01:30:51.900 --> 01:30:53.540 At night 01:30:53.700 --> 01:30:54.920 Fuck 01:30:54.920 --> 01:30:55.700 Pray 01:30:55.700 --> 01:30:56.700 When 01:30:56.700 --> 01:30:57.220 Or 01:30:57.220 --> 01:30:57.620 You ain't about to stairs 01:30:57.620 --> 01:30:58.500 In theaks 01:30:58.500 --> 01:30:58.840 I'm gonna have 01:30:58.840 --> 01:30:59.220 Put me up with my emotions 01:30:59.220 --> 01:30:59.740 And now 01:30:59.740 --> 01:30:59.980 Kids 01:30:59.980 --> 01:31:01.220 We can 01:31:01.220 --> 01:31:01.620 Be 01:31:01.620 --> 01:31:02.000 You ain't about to change in me 01:31:02.000 --> 01:31:03.060 cooked 01:31:03.060 --> 01:31:03.140 And 내일 01:31:03.140 --> 01:31:03.840 We can 01:31:03.840 --> 01:31:04.620 You ain't about to change 01:31:04.620 --> 01:31:05.120 But 01:31:05.120 --> 01:31:06.400 You ain't about to change in me 01:31:06.400 --> 01:31:07.900 Yeah, you ain't about to change in me 01:31:07.900 --> 01:31:08.660 Consciousness 01:31:08.660 --> 01:31:09.080 I need you 01:31:09.080 --> 01:31:09.380 For something I need 01:31:09.380 --> 01:31:09.720 For something that 01:31:09.720 --> 01:31:10.520 ội 01:31:10.520 --> 01:31:10.800 I mean 01:31:10.800 --> 01:31:11.540 evangelical 01:31:11.540 --> 01:31:12.080 And 01:31:12.080 --> 01:31:13.520 To 01:31:13.520 --> 01:31:14.160 I 01:31:14.160 --> 01:31:14.620 Don't 01:31:14.620 --> 01:31:15.200 Bar 01:31:15.200 --> 01:31:15.280 It 01:31:15.280 --> 01:31:15.640 East 01:31:15.640 --> 01:31:16.180 Music 01:31:16.260 --> 01:31:17.100 To 01:31:17.100 --> 01:31:17.740 enix 01:31:17.740 --> 01:31:19.100 whit 01:31:19.100 --> 01:31:20.280 河 01:31:20.420 --> 01:31:21.220 Interesting 01:31:21.220 --> 01:31:27.360 Keep me up with your emotions 01:31:27.360 --> 01:31:31.020 At night, when you can't 01:31:31.020 --> 01:31:34.860 Shoot me down over the ocean 01:31:34.860 --> 01:31:39.360 It's time to end 01:31:39.360 --> 01:31:43.500 Now that the heart's in the air 01:31:43.500 --> 01:31:46.120 When you fall asleep 01:31:46.120 --> 01:31:51.120 You're the way you've got to change in me 01:31:51.120 --> 01:31:54.700 There's certain death 01:31:54.700 --> 01:31:58.260 I don't have the chance to get 01:31:58.260 --> 01:32:01.860 Really by the time we meet 01:32:01.860 --> 01:32:05.860 You recognize the change in me 01:32:05.860 --> 01:32:06.760 Yeah 01:32:21.120 --> 01:32:36.580 The heart's in the air 01:32:36.580 --> 01:32:36.940 The heart's in the air 01:32:36.940 --> 01:32:37.400 The heart's in the air