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This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers.

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To the hackers and the crackers.

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I see in binary, I speak source code.

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Step on my toes, I'll post a million game pegs of you in a fag pose.

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In your digital stance, getting firewalled ho.

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Cause I'm riding the net in my six-fold.

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I was a dick with my 56.

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Now with my cable, I'm able to get that stable.

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On the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo.

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On the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm a hero.

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In a flash, I'll screw you on burning dream packs.

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You need some ISOs? Let me through my hard drive rifle.

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Our exchange you could never stifle.

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In a digital hug, you just caught the love bug.

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I bootlegged your CD. I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z.

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Your CG, it's all gonna be free.

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Whether we take it by force or we take it nicely.

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You feel that rattle in your bones? When I tell you we just hacked out Jones.

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And now stack, leave your fight on your back.

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Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack.

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Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack.

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This is dedicated to the hackers and the criminals.

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Serial codes, source codes, ISOs, RAMs, SIFs, SIFs.

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This is dedicated to the hackers and the criminals.

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Alright, welcome everybody.

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I've lost track of how many false starts we've had tonight, but this one's gonna stick.

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I am Snag Dog.

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This is Binary Revolution Radio, episode 60.

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We are coming to you on August 31st, Tuesday, 2004.

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My co-host today is Not Theory.

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Hi, everybody. I need to make the intro boring so we don't laugh.

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See, you're gonna kill me again. You're gonna make me crack up.

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I've been, I'm in tears laughing.

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This is like the umpteenth intake, outtake, start of the show because we have all these outtakes.

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Um, but this time we are going to go ahead with it.

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So, yeah, it's a little rough.

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Um, I'm gonna skip any attempt at doing an impression because that's what keeps making me laugh.

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Um, and I'm just gonna concentrate.

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It's just me, not theory, and the computer machine, and we're just gonna go with it.

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The computer machine! I love it!

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Anyway, we're gonna jump right into the email this week.

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Play our little email theme music.

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And go into some emails here.

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Now, um, let's talk about some general emails we got.

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First of all, um, I had a couple people, uh, emailing me about the distributed.net team,

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which I pimped on the show again.

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Um, we have a distributed.net team, obviously.

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Uh, DDP set up distributed.net team.

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Um, have quite a few people in it.

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Last time I checked, we're in like the top, we're up to like 130 or somewhere thereabouts.

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So, uh, doing really well and climbing up in the standing slowly but surely.

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So, if you're interested in helping out, donating some CPU time to that project,

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it's very simple to get started on.

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Um, all you gotta do is install the client, give it an email address that you wanna use,

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and it will upload, it'll start crunching away with your idle CPU time.

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It doesn't affect any of your other processes.

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It runs at low priority.

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Anything that jumps in front of it will get full system time that it wants or needs.

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And this will only run when there's nothing else going on and run in the background.

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So, put this on your box and the first time it uploads packets to the server,

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it will create an account for you with the email address that you registered with

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or that you input when you installed it.

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And, um, to join the DDP team, you simply go out there and search for DDP.

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I'm pretty sure there's only one of us out there.

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And there's a little link at the bottom that says, I want to join this team.

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And you click on that and that's all there is to it.

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So, the only thing is you have to have uploaded some packets and have the account created.

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It's not something you go do, you don't go register, you don't go create an account,

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you don't need a password, you just go out there and install the client

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and it'll automatically create an account once you send packets.

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So, if it takes you a week to send packets, it'll take it another day or so to process them

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and create an account for you.

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So, that's all you have to do.

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So, if you need any more detailed instructions, step by step more so than I just gave you,

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you can check out forums.binrev.com.

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Inside the forums there is a special DDP projects with forum that has a pinned topic

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with all of those things I read to you and a little bit more.

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So, go check that out.

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Yep, definitely.

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Sign up.

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Put all your computer machines on it because we need them.

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Every computer machine helps.

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We also got a follow up email from last week from Byron who gave us permission to use his

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name and his call letters, WTND.

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And Byron was the person who was volunteering or asking if we would mind putting Binary Revolution

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radio on his FM station.

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So, yes, he completely got my point.

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Very cool.

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He understands that the reason we do this on the internet is because we do occasionally

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use bad language.

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And we're allowed to use bad language on the global interweb.

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So, we occasionally do that.

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So, he realizes that, but at the same time, we also realize that on FM we are controlled

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by the FCC.

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So, it's great they can't bother us here, but in the real world they still control that.

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So, I'm giving him permission verbally now and I'm also going to be emailing him to give

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it to him in writing that I do not mind him bleeping out the curse words.

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So, that is that.

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I will email him that soon, if not as soon as we're done recording here.

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Um, I don't want to push my computer machine too hard.

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Um, and let's see what else do we have here.

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Um, I got an email from Julius, who says, Hi Snack, I recently, excuse me, recently I

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asked Google to cancel, delete, some of my message out of their Usenet groups database

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and they were very decent, helpful, and friendly about it, much to my surprise I might add.

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One expects them to be like that huge money making company we all have bad experiences

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with, but they are not.

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I'm a steady regular listener of the BinRev radio thing, thing, okay.

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I'm from Amsterdam, the Netherlands, and yes, also to be considered a hacker, pretty much

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old school at that.

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I did and still do Dutch radio shows a lot like yours for about 18 years now.

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Your rants are exactly like mine most of the time, so keep it up, love your show.

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Did I read that, did I read that properly?

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Yeah, yeah, it looks good.

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I stumbled there a little bit, the English was a little, uh.

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Um, first of all, I think people who listen to the show regularly have probably noticed one

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pattern.

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If you send me an email from another country, it's pretty much a shoe-in that I'm gonna read

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it on the air because that's just so cool to me that somebody in Amsterdam is listening

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to our show.

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So that just continually blows my mind.

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Every time I get an email from somewhere, I guess, exotic like that, anywhere I can't

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go or have never been as exotic to me, any time I hear something from another country,

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that's, that's really cool.

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So you're pretty much a lock that you're gonna get it on the air.

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However, he also brought up something else and that is about having posts removed from

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Google's news group archive or Usenet archive, however you wanna call it.

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Um, I actually wrote, had some posts removed from there myself just to see what the process

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was and see, you know, what kind of system they used and how they've done it.

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Have you ever, have you ever tried to do, had tried to have anything removed or do you

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not even touch the Usenet?

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Oh, I used, I used Usenet a long time ago, like when I was like 13 or 14, way back in

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the day, but I don't really touch it anymore.

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So, never bothered to have anything removed.

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Uh-huh.

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Well, um, I went out there and had like two things removed, just, they were like old,

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um, I forgot the account actually, there was, I think it was GNN, Global Network Navigator,

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does that sound right?

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Uh, yeah, it could be.

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It was like a, an ISP that came out, it was like a beta testing thing that I had used

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and, um, was playing around with that and I posted a couple like tests, like to off-topic

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or to alt-tests or something like that.

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So, uh, I went and had a couple of those removed just to see what it was like in the process

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and, um, I didn't think it was quite, I mean it was easy, it was really not much to it,

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but you just gotta send an email to them requesting that they remove the old posts or whatever,

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but, um, and so yes, it was easy, but I didn't quite have such an easy time of it.

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I emailed them claiming, you know, this was my old email address, yada, yada, yada,

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and they wanted some very specific things to prove, well, not so much to prove it was me,

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and I think that kind of might be a problem.

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They wanted me to say that, uh, I guess they wanted it in writing, me saying that, yes, this is my post,

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explain to them the email address that it was posted from is different from the email address now,

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but it was, it was me, and then have to provide my real name and information

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and officially request it being taken off.

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Now, I tried to get around this and just replied saying, yes, it's the same account but a different, uh, domain.

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I switched it and tried to sneak by without giving the name, kind of like an oops I forgot,

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and they would not do it until they got a real name.

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So, I finally did that, and, uh, and I think, obviously it's, it's a legal issue.

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They have to have it in writing, I guess, to cover themselves.

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However, I don't know any way that they could possibly verify it,

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especially with all the different nicks that people have had and different, you know,

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Roger Rabbit 16472, all those AOL names that they just make up and attach numbers to and stuff.

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My Little Pony 69, that was my old one.

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Oh, let me search for that real quick.

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Um, My Little Pony, golly, I haven't heard that in a while.

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Oh, man. I thought you went by Care Bear.

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No, that was when I was a little younger, but then I grew up.

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Oh, then you went into the My Little Pony fans.

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Oh, and then the Gummy Bears.

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Oh, this is terrible.

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Bouncing here and there and everywhere.

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Um, anyway, what I'm getting at here is I really think that if you were, you could probably have any post deleted,

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um, if you, quite frankly, if you lied.

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I think if you sent them an email, and if somebody wants to test it, go ahead.

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I'm not, I'm not going that far.

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But I do think that if I wanted to go out there and delete My Little Pony 69 account,

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all I have to do is say, yes, this was my old account.

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My name is this.

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And I bet you they would probably remove it because they must get a lot.

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I wouldn't, I don't even know if I'd venture a guess as to how many requests they get like this.

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But I bet they get too many that they can go and check and verify all these names and stuff.

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I think as long as you admit it and give them legal waive, have them waive their responsibility by you signing off on it,

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I think that's probably all they would take.

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So, um, I bet you could have anybody's post removed if you really wanted to be, well, if you really wanted to cross a line.

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I'll just leave it at that.

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Yeah.

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I really do think that would work.

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So, if somebody wants to try it and let us know, I'd be curious to find out, but I'm not going there.

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So, anyway, thank you for listening in Amsterdam.

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And anywhere else out there, email me from all over the global interweb if you'd like.

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Um, and you'll probably get your letter right on the air.

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And we have one more email this week from Mack Cool.

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Hey dog and the DDP.

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Just want to drop you guys a line and tell you that I think your show is great.

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I just finished listening to all 58 episodes over the course of three or four weeks at work.

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I loved your rant on politics and hacking.

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Well, which one?

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I've had like a bazillion of them.

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Um, I agree with you wholeheartedly.

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Well, anyway, keep up the great work.

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Looking forward to the next installment of Hack TV.

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Um, yeah, I'm sure he's, what he must be saying is that the separation of, uh, separation of hacking and politics.

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Kind of like separation of church and state.

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It really should just keep those two things just diametrically opposed.

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Yep.

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That's not realistic, but try to anyway as best we can.

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Um, and listening to 58 episodes, is that what he said, over three or four weeks?

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I can't listen to myself three, you know, 58 for a month straight basically.

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Yeah, I could.

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Who am I kidding?

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That's dedication though, man.

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58 episodes in like two weeks.

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Yeah.

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Joking aside, well see, I kind of relate to that because I'm sitting behind code all day listening to everybody's shows.

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There's as many as I can get in anyway.

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So, I guess I kind of relate to that, but man, it's still impressive to hear somebody say they did 58 shows in a month.

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That's a lot.

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That's a lot.

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Now, also as a kind of a segue here, um, the next installment of Hack TV.

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I'm going to actually use this to kind of segue into the show and tell portion of the show, if you will.

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And say that that's actually what I was doing before, um, not very called and bugged me.

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Um, I was over on the other computer machine on the other side of the room.

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And I plugged in my video recording machine to it and was extracting footage.

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So, I am hard at work on the next episode of Hack TV.

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Well, multiple episodes.

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I've got quite a bit of footage on tape that I have not had time to digitize until recently.

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And then I had a hardware failure this week that I had to take care of.

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And then I had to get a, uh, cleaning tape from my mini DV cam.

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So, it's just been one hurdle after another.

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So, I just extracted footage from one tape before we started recording.

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And, um, as soon as we're done, I'll probably start another one.

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And it's coming along slowly but surely.

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Um, I've been writing some articles lately.

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I'm getting ready for Binary Revolution Magazine 2.2.

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So, um, that's coming along slowly but surely as well.

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And dealing with, uh, well, actually, my biggest concern right now is that there's a giant, earth-shattering, devastating hurricane aimed straight for my front porch.

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Hurricane Francis, by the time you're listening to this, Hurricane Francis will probably be a day or two away from me.

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And I'll know, because right now it's heading in a beeline straight from my house.

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And I mean, like, straight where I live is right in the center of the cone of this thing, the estimated path.

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You've got insurance, right?

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Uh, I don't think I have insurance on the computer machine.

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Not on the computer machine, but I mean, for everything else.

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Yeah, living in condo life down here in South Florida, it's required.

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Hurricane insurance is pretty much mandatory.

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Nice.

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So, yes, I have building insurance and stuff like that.

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So, yes, the important, you know, the real expensive, all the money stuff.

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But, all my contents, no, I do not have content insurance and I will be SOL.

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I'm gonna be, like, floating along with my monitor held above my head trying to tread water so it doesn't get destroyed.

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It's not gonna be cool if this thing keeps coming right towards me like it's doing now.

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I might actually skip town.

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I honestly, truly, if there's no episode, I'll tell you now, if there's no episode 61 next week, you guys know why.

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It's because I got the hell out of Dodge.

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This thing is a category four and it's still, like, five days away.

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That means it's only gonna get bigger and grow as it gets closer and closer to us.

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So, this is not gonna be cool.

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So, anyway, I'm going to cry like a little girl and run if it keeps coming towards me.

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I'm gonna go park my car in a parking garage or something where it's covered so, you know, like, bricks don't come flying through the Stankmobile's windows.

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And, I don't know, head north or head south depending on where the thing's going.

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This one really, I mean, joking aside, this one really is serious enough.

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I've never ever left for any of the hurricanes.

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I've lived down here, what, seven years or so?

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I've never ever given them a second glance.

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I've slept through most of them.

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But this one, it's not looking good.

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I'm hoping it turns and goes back out to sea, but we'll see.

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So, that's my thing and dealing with some DDP turmoil, if you will, which we are not going to go into on this episode of the show next week.

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Oh, but Stank!

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I know, I know, I know, but you know what?

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We might end with a little note, but we got some roster changes coming up and I think people know a lot of it.

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The regular listeners and regular forum members know and have seen what's going on.

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And, you know what?

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It's all good.

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It's all good.

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People got to do what they got to do.

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And we're all happy about the whole thing.

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So, it's nothing bad.

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It's nothing negative.

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Don't start any of the Fed rumors.

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Don't start any of the stupid things that people make up.

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It's nothing like that at all.

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So, I guess that's all I have to say about that for now.

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Now, that's it for me and all my work.

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What are you doing on your computer machines?

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Nothing.

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That's it.

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Do you want to close up the show?

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All right.

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Well, thank you for listening.

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And, like we always tell you, we'll see you...

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Oh, no, wait a minute.

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We had something else we were going to talk about.

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Oh, yeah.

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Oh, yeah.

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I've been doing a lot of stuff on the computer machine.

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Like, I'm surprised the thing hasn't broken down.

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I haven't given an oil change or anything recently.

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And it's still humming along.

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Every 30,000 miles or...?

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Every 30,000 keystrokes.

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Everything, yeah.

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Every 3,000 miles, every 30,000 keystrokes.

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Yep.

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Yeah, I've been doing lots of work on Bell's Mind.

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I've been trying to roll out Bell's Mind 2.0

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because I realized that the original, you know,

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Bell's Mind is cool and people like it

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and they give me shouts for it all the time and stuff like that.

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It's cool, but it needs some more features.

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Well, 1.0 is the suck sore.

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That's why 2.0 has to come out.

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Well, that's what I'm talking about.

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Okay.

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But people still like 1.0.

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Even though it's missing some stuff, people like it.

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Most notably, it's missing the search feature

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and search by, like, you know, number type

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and all that other kind of stuff.

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You can, like, look at an exchange

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or you can look at, like, a state or something like that

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and search like that, but it's not really detailed.

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Of course, Natis found out that he could just use Google

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to search my site because Google indexes my site all the time.

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So that's pretty neat.

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But I would actually like to have my own real search features.

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So I'm going to be adding the search feature,

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going to be adding a bunch of things to make people's lives easier

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when submitting numbers.

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I'm going to try to make some software

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so that people can batch submit numbers more easily

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and stuff like that.

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I don't know.

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Lots of stuff's coming.

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And I need some input from people.

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There's a couple people who have sent me feature requests,

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some of them good, some of them a little too involved to be feasible

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for this version 2.0, maybe version 3.0.

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But, yeah, in any case, I would still like people's suggestions

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on how they think the site should work and whatever

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because I don't want to release it and then get a whole bunch of complaints

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saying, well, why doesn't searching work like this?

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So, whatever.

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Give me some suggestions.

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Let me know what the deal is.

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And that's about it.

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I did discover a bug in Postgres while doing all this.

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Yes.

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Why don't you talk about that just a little bit?

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I can't really track down...

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I can't reproduce the bug except on one machine.

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Like I have...

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I think they're the same version.

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If they're not the same version, they're only like one minor version off.

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But on one of my computers...

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Sorry, hold on a second.

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Mm-hmm.

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Absolutely.

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Now, Postgres, of course, is referring back to, if you remember a couple weeks ago,

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I don't remember exactly which episode it was,

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but we went into some detail and talked about relational database management systems

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and what they were.

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And Postgres, of course, is Postgres, PostgresQL, whatever you want to call it,

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is a type of relational database management system

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and it is one that we both think very highly of.

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Yeah, it is definitely a deleteness.

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So...

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Sorry about the minor interruption.

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I just went right on through it.

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Good, good, good.

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So what I was saying is that I have, I think,

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either, you know, two different versions of Postgres

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or two very close versions of Postgres on two different machines,

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but with the same database.

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With only some, you know, only some minor differences between the two.

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And on one machine, when it tries to do the certain search, it uses the index.

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But on the other machine, when it tries to do the search, it doesn't.

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And I can't really figure it out.

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I'm going to do a little more work trying to track it down,

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but I can't imagine why any database would ever see that it has an index for a field,

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see that it's doing a search, and then not search using the index.

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That just makes no sense to me.

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Well, actually, I think that also happens with SQL Server 2000.

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Obviously, the solutions would probably be similar but different.

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So doing research, you know, on SQL Server 2000, the cause might not be any help to you.

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But...

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It looks to me, actually, like the only possibility I can come up with now

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is the machine where it's not doing the search correctly,

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where it's doing the sequential search as opposed to the index search,

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has more indexes on the same field.

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Now, that might sound a little like nonsense at first,

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but I'd have to go into, like, the whole organization of the database.

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In any case, this one field has two indexes.

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You don't have duplicate named indexes, right?

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No, no, no, not at all.

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They're...

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It's kind of hard to explain, but it has two indexes for separate purposes.

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They need to be separate.

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So in any case, when it sees that there's those two indexes,

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I guess it doesn't know which one to use and doesn't use either.

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That's the only thing I can really think.

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So whatever.

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Yeah.

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So there's an option in Postgres called Enable Sequential Scan.

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And I just turn that off.

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And what that tells Postgres is any time that it sees a field that is indexed

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and it's going to do a search on it, it doesn't give it the option of not using the index.

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Now, some people have told me in some instances it's faster to do a sequential search

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depending on what type of search you're doing and all this other kind of stuff.

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I don't know.

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I'm not all that into databases, so I wouldn't know when that comes up.

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But in any case, I've set my Postgres up now so that every time it's doing a search,

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if there's an index, it's got to use it.

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And the speed increase is insane.

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Like, queries go from, like, four seconds to, like, 60 milliseconds.

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So...

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Yeah.

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It's almost always more efficient to use indexes.

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Almost always.

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The only time you ever want to do sequential is if it's a tiny database that fits in one table space.

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Yeah.

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And if it's a very simple key and it's sequenced, like, by one field and it's ordered,

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like, say, alphabetically or numerically, one, two, three, four, five,

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sometimes it'll be faster to read it sequentially that way.

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Right.

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But in general, for any type of complex, even semi-complex databases, it's almost always better to use an index.

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Yeah.

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Or indices.

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Yeah, that was my impression.

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But I don't know.

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I'll have to look a little bit more into it and maybe submit some bugs to the Postgres team or, you know, see what they have to say about it.

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But in any case, Postgres is still the most elite open source database out there.

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Word.

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It's like I said.

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It may have this problem, but I can fix it with a simple flag.

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So, pick any bam.

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There you go.

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Yeah.

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See, and then SQL Server, I've heard something similar to that, too.

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And, again, it's a server setting that you can change.

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What it is is it sometimes will try and part of the relational database management system itself, part of the internal workings of it,

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it tries to determine on its own the best way to read a database, the best way to execute a query.

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Right.

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And if you can look at the plan for that query and watch it step-by-step through, you'll see where the bottleneck is.

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You'll see where it's locking up.

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And what happens is built into that database management system, sometimes it will think that one way is a better way to read the table,

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when in actuality it's not.

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So you'd have to go in and change a system setting or change some of the table definitions to override that.

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And, obviously, that's exactly what you're going to look into a little bit.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And Postgres has a nice command, just explain and then your statement.

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And it will explain what the planner's trying to do with your statement.

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And then you can, like you said, track down why it's not doing something efficiently.

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Exactly.

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Oh.

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Hmm.

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And that's something that...

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Let me think.

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There's going to be a little more integration with the PBX for Bellsline 2.0.

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There's going to be some voicemail features and some other stuff I'm going to try to integrate.

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But, I don't know.

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Soon.

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But not just yet.

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It's all still in beta.

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So, once it's ready I'll start showing it to people.

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So, it's like beta is like 1.1b.

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Is that what the version we're on now or what?

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No, it's actually just 2.0 beta.

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I'm not going for any intermediate version numbers.

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Oh, no.

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Come on.

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You've got to do like an odd numbers means it's an unstable release.

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Oh, no, no, no, no, no.

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Not quite.

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That's not right.

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But I am probably going to keep around the old version for a while because I know that

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there's a lot of links out there that link directly to like particular searches, like

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particular exchanges and stuff like that.

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So, I'm going to leave that around for a while and just kind of give people a heads

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up that it's all going to be changing over to this version 2.0 style.

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So, hopefully, they'll update their links.

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Hmm.

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That's interesting.

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Maybe...

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I don't know if the possibility of overloading functions in PHP are.

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But, anyway, that's a whole different thing.

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Let's actually back up a little bit and use...

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You mentioned PBXs.

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Let's kind of use that as a segue, if I may, into what our main topic tonight is going

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to be, and that is, surprise, PBXs.

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Oh, look at that.

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I would have never guessed.

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How did that happen?

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I don't know.

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And, actually, let's give a little back story here.

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First of all, not Theory is the man.

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Can't say that enough.

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He is the leet.

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Oh, my God.

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The uber-leet.

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Oh, I'm so flattered by my public.

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And, no, joking aside, we got an email a couple weeks ago from somebody who basically

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asked, said he wanted to learn more about PBXs, and frankly, I did as well.

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And, everything that I know about PBXs, I did learn from Not Theory, joking aside.

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So, I knew right away when I got that email that I had to get you on the show, and that's

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the reason you're on the show, because we're going to talk about PBXs starting, like, with

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the simplest of simple questions, and that is, what is a PBX?

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Okay.

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PBX stands for private branch exchange, which is a fancy way of saying a phone system.

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But, phone company people have to make it sound like uber-leet, so that's what they

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call it.

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In any case, PBX is just basically any type of machine that's got, you know, phone lines

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coming into it, and or VoIP lines coming into it.

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What kind of machine?

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It could be a computer, it could be just like a strictly...

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A computer machine?

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A computer machine.

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It could be a general purpose computer machine, or it could be a specific machine that only

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does phone system type junk.

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Like, you might buy from Panasonic, they have business PBXs and stuff like that, so.

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But, yeah, it has lines coming into it and going out of it, and basically it handles phone

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calls, it handles phone routing.

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Somebody calls into a certain line, it rings a certain phone, or they call into another line,

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and it, you know, transfers it to somebody's voicemail box.

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So, this is like a phone company thing, right?

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This is not something that you would have in your house.

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Not...

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Well, you know, some people, like me, who are complete losers, have it in their house.

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Most people, most people would not have a phone system in their house, unless maybe

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you're like, either a geek, or you're really rich, and you have a house that has, you know,

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like 20 phones in it, or something like that.

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Or, you're partaking in the renaissance of the freaking community.

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Ah, yes.

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See, that was a little segue question, that's what that was.

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But, you know, I really, you know, it really is kind of a thought of as a business thing

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the majority of the time, right?

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Who wants or needs a PBX with all of those features other than businesses?

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Even some small businesses, obviously phone companies use stuff like this, but this is

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becoming something that is very, very accessible to people like us, especially hackers who really

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want to play around with this kind of stuff.

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Yeah, and especially, you brought up a very good point the other night, saying that you

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wanted to ditch Bell South, because they're a bunch of fucktards.

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Yes, I did.

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And yes, they are.

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Yeah, I'm sure they are.

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And if you have cable internet, and you go and pay a voice over IP provider for what's

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called a DID, which stands for direct inward dial, which is a telco fancy term for phone

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number, you can drop your phone company, you can get a phone number in pretty much any

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exchange in the US that you want, and you can point it to your PBX.

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Now...

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Well, let's wait a minute.

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Before we throw the PBX in the mix, let's stay very simple.

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Okay.

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Voice over IP itself.

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Now, we've dropped names like Vonage.

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See, I know default radio talks about this stuff a lot more often, and frankly, a lot

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of it goes right over my head.

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I'm not into the freaking...

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I'm learning a lot about it, and honestly getting interested in it, but let's stay very

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simple here.

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You can get Vonage, or Packet 8, or any number of other consumer level, and that's why I want

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to differentiate between consumer level and others, consumer level voice over IP hardware

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or functionality.

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Right.

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And what that is...

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I'm sorry, go ahead.

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Sorry, the big players in consumer VoIP right now are Vonage, Packet 8, what is it, Voice

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Pulse, and Lingo is one of the new ones out there.

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There's another one called VoIP to save or something like that, but I don't know anybody

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who's gotten that yet.

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Yeah, and there's quite a few popping up each day, I believe.

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Yeah, they're kind of all over the place, and they all use this protocol or some modified

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form of SIP, which is the Session Initiation Protocol, and basically it's a very simple

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protocol used for these little boxes that they send you that let you have either one

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or two incoming lines, and that's pretty much it.

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It adds some nice features like call waiting and three-way calling and all that other junk,

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but SIP is designed for computers, for consumers.

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All right, so I can buy Vonage, put the hardware in my house, use my internet connection to still

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have a phone number, still get incoming calls, and get rid of Bell South or whatever your

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local telco.

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First and foremost, that is a straight standard.

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That is a simple thing that anybody can do.

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Right, right.

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Okay.

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They'll provide you voicemail and all that other neat stuff that they should provide because

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it's easy.

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All right, so that's layer one, that's level one and stuff that a lot of people know about,

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but the next step beyond that is the functionality that you can get from a PBX.

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Right.

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What's different is a PBX.

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What is the relationship between a PBX and any of these consumer voice providers, if any?

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I know that's really a vague...

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Well, for the consumer-based SIP providers, you can consider your phone as just basically

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like a phone hooked up to, like, let's say Vonage.

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Let's use Vonage kind of simple.

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Okay.

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Your little box in your house is basically, it looks like a phone that's hooked up to

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the switch at Vonage.

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Now, when you go into these business class providers, your PBX at your place looks like

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another phone switch, meaning that it can have multiple phone numbers, it can handle multiple

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incoming and outgoing calls at the same time, usually only limited up to your bandwidth,

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and it gives you basically all the flexibility you could want.

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Any type of limitation you've got with SIP, like that you can only make one outgoing call,

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so you only get voicemail stored on their server or something like that, completely eliminated

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with business class VoIP, which uses a protocol called IAX, which stands for the Inter-Asterisk

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Exchange Protocol.

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So...

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So a PBX, then, is something that once we...

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Well, like we said earlier, joking, that businesses would use the business equivalent of VoIP.

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Yeah.

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To allow VoIP to access to businesses and still give them the functionality they're used to,

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I guess.

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Right.

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And what I'm talking about right now is actually just asterisk PBXs.

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There are other PBXs out there that use other protocols, but for our discussion, since

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those other PBXs cost money, or most of them cost money, but they're not very standard,

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and I don't know.

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I'd much rather just talk about asterisk to keep it simple.

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Yeah, and that's actually a very good point, because that is the reason that suddenly

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the word PBX and that there's such a renaissance in learning about this stuff is because asterisk

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came about.

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And asterisk is, of course, an open source PBX software, is that...?

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Yep.

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Yep.

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If anybody wants to check out asterisk, you go to asterisk.org, or you go to digium.org,

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or is it digium.com?

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Hmm.

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I think it's digium.com, actually.

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Those are the guys who write asterisk, and you can get the source code from them, and

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you can buy hardware for your asterisk box and all that all through them.

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Yeah, I don't know.

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Basically, it gives you, like I said, it gives you the flexibility to have pretty much a phone

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switch in your house.

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Anything that's going in or out of your PBX, you determine the routing by using this pretty

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simple text file configuration called a dial plan.

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So you can make it so that when you pick up your phone and you dial 4 or something like

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that, it dials your friend's house or something like that.

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Or you can make it so you can dial 9 for an outgoing line and then dial your calls.

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So you can have a bunch of phones hanging off your PBX, and you can call back and forth

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in between them with extension numbers.

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You can give voicemail to everybody.

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I mean, anything you can imagine the phone company doing for you, you can do on your own

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site with asterisk.

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All right.

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So how exactly would somebody like me, for example, I do want to get rid of Bell South.

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I do not have a consumer-level VoIP product right now.

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Right.

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I wanted, let's say, well, first of all, VoIP, the consumer VoIP, like say, again, let's

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stick with Vonage, is an out-of-the-box plug-and-play for the most part kind of deal.

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Right.

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Non-technical, and they've pretty much watered it down so that just about anybody can follow

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the directions to get it up and running, correct?

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Right.

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You basically plug it into your network, you plug your phone into it, you turn it on,

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you pick up your phone, you're making calls.

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That's it.

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And it offers you voicemail boxes.

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It offers you...

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They offer you voicemail, but the voicemail resides on their server.

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So you have to have internet connectivity or you have to be able to, like, call up your

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number to retrieve your voicemail.

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Hmm.

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So if the global interweb goes down...

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Then you have no voicemail.

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And that's...

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And you have no phone.

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Well, and that's also technically true with the PBX as well.

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Yes.

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With the PBX, you lose the ability to make incoming and outgoing calls.

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You can still make local calls in your PBX.

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Even if your internet access is down, you can call your local extensions and you can call

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your local voicemail.

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So...

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Alright, so...

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We have an advantage there.

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Alright, so let's say that somebody does want to go through with setting this up.

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First of all, the software we mentioned, Asterisk.

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That's the one that's very popular, very flexible, and really just taken off here lately.

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So, somebody needs to get a box at home and put Asterisk on it to get started into this.

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Now, what are...

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How intensive is Asterisk?

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How much...

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You need a gig of RAM.

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You need, like, a P4 dual processor.

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You know, what exactly do you need to run this extremely high-end Asterisk software?

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Okay.

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For the...

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The minimum requirements for Asterisk are a quad-opteron with a terabyte of RAM.

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Man.

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See, no wonder businesses are the only people that use Asterisk.

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Oh, wait a minute.

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Wait a minute.

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That's not right, is it?

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No, that's not right at all.

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Honestly...

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That's a misconception.

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You can run Asterisk.

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You know, I would say the lowest you'd probably want to go is, like, a P2-300, but you could

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probably get away with going even lower than that.

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I've heard of people running it on slower machines than that.

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But, yeah, a P2-300 with 64 megs of RAM, maybe 128 megs, but you don't really need that

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much.

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If your machine's only going to be running Asterisk, you're not going to need that much.

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But, that also depends on the host operating system.

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Whether you're running...

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Because Asterisk runs on three platforms now, as far as I know.

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Linux being the platform it started on.

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People tell me it runs on Mac OS now as well.

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But I think only OS X.

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And people also tell me it runs on Windows.

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Now, the requirements on Linux versus the requirements on Mac OS X and Windows are going

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to be wildly different.

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Linux is by far the most efficient to run the PBX on.

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Unity graphical user interface doesn't need any of that junk.

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You can just run it bare bones, PBX only.

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So, if you want to run it on Linux, 300 megahertz P2 and 64 megs of RAM should get you up and

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running.

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See, that's just amazing.

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That's why we made a joke of there's a misconception that you need some kind of big powerful phone

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equipment.

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It's not the case at all.

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Yeah, definitely not.

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So, okay.

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Let's say...

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So, most people probably...

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Well, a lot of people probably have a box like that laying around under a shelf not being

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used.

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So, pull that thing out of mothballs or run down and buy one for 100 bucks or 50 bucks at

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the swap shop.

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And come home, slap asterisk on there, install asterisk.

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Asterisk and hardware-wise, you get asterisk up and running.

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You get the software installed.

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You get Linux installed.

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You get asterisk installed.

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And it's time to actually set up the connection itself.

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Now, what else do they need besides that?

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What's the next step?

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Okay.

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There's a couple ways to do it.

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You can go all voice over IP or you can hook up regular phones to it and regular phone

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lines to it.

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If you go all voice over IP, it's going to be much cheaper.

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Because you don't need to buy any hardware.

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Everything goes in and out through your Ethernet card.

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To do that, you're going to need to get service from an IIX provider.

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And the one I would suggest for everybody is VoicePulse Connect.

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And their website is connect.voicepulse.com.

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You can go there.

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You can get an inward number, the DID I was talking about before, for like, I think it's

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$8 a month.

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Choose wherever you want.

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All your incoming calls are free.

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All your outgoing calls in the US, the continental US, is like two cents a minute.

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So that'll get you started right there with outgoing calls and incoming calls.

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And then from there, you can use a soft phone in your Windows box or something to connect

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to your asterisk box and make calls from there.

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You know, use a little headset or something like that.

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You can dial the number on the screen.

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And that's it.

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That'll get you started all voice over IP.

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You could also get a hardware SIP phone.

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Okay.

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I was going to say, somebody like me, for example, I want to add the functionality.

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But I don't want to, I want everything to still be as natural or like everybody thinks

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of normal phones.

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I still want to have a phone in the kitchen.

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I still want to have a phone in the bedroom.

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I still want to have a phone on the John.

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Okay.

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I don't have a phone on the John.

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But I still want to have my phones in different parts of the house and keep typical phone equipment

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that I can pick up.

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I don't want to have to go to the computer and use a soft phone every time.

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Okay.

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So the alternative to that is...

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The lowest cost of entry would be to do all voice over IP.

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But if you want to use your hardware phones, you can get, you can do a couple of things.

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You can get what's called an FXS card, which is a Digium sales one.

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It's a four port extension card.

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You hook your phone up to it and it simulates, you know, the ringing and all that other kind

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of stuff.

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It basically looks to your phone as if it's a phone line.

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So you plug your phone or your phone line in your house.

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You can wire that into this FXS card if you know how.

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And then you can just pick up your phones and use them as you always did.

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It handles all the translation from VoIP and back and all that other nonsense.

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Okay.

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But like you said...

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But that card costs $100.

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Right.

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I was going to say, like you said, that's an extra piece of hardware.

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Yeah.

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And you said that's about $100 for that.

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Yeah.

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It's a PCI card.

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And honestly, you know, I have one and I'm not very happy with it.

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It's kind of annoying.

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I mean, it works, but it's kind of an annoying piece of hardware.

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To anyone else, I would suggest that for the same price, you can get a device called

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the IAXE.

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That's IAXY.

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It's $100 again.

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But you plug your phone into that and then it uses the IAX protocol to touch your asterisk

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box.

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The advantage of that over a piece of hardware like a PCI card is that you don't have it

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stuck in your machine.

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If you want to go somewhere else with your IAXE and use it to connect to your box remotely

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or use it to connect to an IAX provider directly, you can bring this box wherever you want

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to go and you can use your IAX service from there.

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So that's really cool.

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It offers you a lot more flexibility.

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And it's easier to debug too because it's a nice separate piece of hardware that's very

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simple.

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And where would somebody purchase such a device?

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Digium.com.

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Isn't that convenient?

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Yep.

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Yep.

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It's right on their main page.

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It should say IAXY.

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It's IAXE.

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A hundred bucks.

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Okay.

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It's a cool piece of hardware.

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Natus has one and he says he likes it.

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He said there was a couple of problems with it, but the device only came out maybe a couple

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of months ago.

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So I'm sure they're working through the bugs.

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And from my experience, Digium has been really good with technical support.

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So if you have problems and you email them about it, they're going to get on top

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of it.

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Okay.

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So let's, let's, let's back up here.

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So what you're telling me is I can get rid of Bell South, all the services, you know,

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I'm not sure what their full service, I think it's like 50 bucks for a complete choice

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package or whatever.

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And I'm sure everybody's telco has something similar, whatever, with all the features and

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call waiting and blah, blah, blah.

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50 bucks a month.

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So you're telling me I can pull an old computer out of mothballs or pick one up from dumpster

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diving or get one.

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I mean, it's very, very cheap low end computer.

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Right.

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I can install this free operating system, install asterisk free soft PBX software.

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Yep.

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And either a tie it into a Windows soft phone, which is also free, many of them freely available.

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And all I would have to pay would be around eight bucks, 10 bucks, something like that

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a month through voice pulse, voice pulse connect, voice pulse connect.

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And for eight bucks a month, I'm getting not only, I'm getting everything that I was getting

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for 50 bucks a month for eight bucks a month.

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And then more features on top of that, that they don't even normally offer people.

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Right.

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Like multiple voice mailboxes.

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They're stored locally instead of remotely.

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Right.

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And you can add as many as you want.

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You never have to like ask anybody if you can get a new one.

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You don't have to call somebody up and say, I need another voice mailbox for my daughter

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or something like that.

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You just create it on the fly.

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You record your own prompts.

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You can make your own interactive voice response where people can navigate through menus

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if you want to be that annoying.

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You can do all that.

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But the only difference between the $8 you're spending at voice pulse connect and the $55

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you're spending with Bell South is that Bell South will give you unlimited outbound calling.

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Now, IAX providers don't offer unlimited outbound calling because like I said, your asterisk

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box basically looks like a phone switch.

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You can make as many outgoing calls you want simultaneously as you have bandwidth for.

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So they don't want you like, you know, spending 50 bucks a month getting unlimited service

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400 outbound calls simultaneously all day.

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So you're going to be paying per minute for your phone calls.

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That's the trick.

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So you have to sit down, I guess, and determine how many outgoing calls you make.

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But your incoming calls are included as part of the number.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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The incoming calls are all free.

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And you can handle multiple incoming calls at the same time.

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So for, again, somebody like me, I have a cell phone that I can make all the outgoing calls

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I want on and have all my incoming calls to the house going through this box.

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Right.

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So basically have, I mean, that already to me is useful.

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Right.

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But to take it, so bottom line is there for free if you already have some type of solution

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for outgoing calls like a cell phone or something like that.

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Even if you don't, did you say earlier it was like two cents a minute for outgoing?

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A minute, yeah.

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Something like that?

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That's still not all that, you know, that's, end up probably be cheaper than Bell South.

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How many minutes do you spend on the phone?

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If you spend a lot of time on the phone, though, what you could do is you could get something

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like Vonage, and you could buy what's called a line card, an FXO card, plug that into your

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estrus box, and hook that to your Vonage line.

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Which basically, it would take the phone cord from your Vonage line and plug it into your

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box, and your box would treat it as an outgoing line.

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Then you could use Vonage to make unlimited calls.

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But again, only one call at a time.

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So.

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And again, that's, what, Vonage is what, 30 a month?

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Something like that, yeah.

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Something like that.

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And there's probably Packet 8, I don't know if you guys are still as, we're not happy

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with Packet 8, is that correct?

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No, Packet 8, when I got it a long time ago, man, it was awesome.

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And then like tons of people started signing on, it got worse and worse, and then I just

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canceled it.

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Packet 8 has some nice features in that they offer unlimited US and Canada for one price,

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then you can add unlimited Western Europe, and then you could add unlimited international,

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which is almost, I wouldn't say almost every country in the world, but like many, many,

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many countries in the world, South America, Asia, you know, all the countries in Asia that

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I saw were, you know, were every place you could imagine to call.

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A bunch of countries in South America, a bunch of places in Australia, you know, Japan,

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all kinds of other stuff.

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The only place they didn't offer was Africa.

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I'm not really quite sure why, but in any case, so if you want unlimited international

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calls, Packet 8 might be an option, but I don't know, I can't vouch for their reliability.

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Lingo, also, www.lingo.com, they offer unlimited Western Europe with their basic plan, and then

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they have, I think they also have an unlimited international plan as well, but I haven't checked

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it out.

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Their unlimited Europe plan's pretty good, I've been playing around with it for a bit, you

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know, doing a little war dialing in the UK, and it's worked all right.

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So if you're looking to do stuff like that, there are places you can go to get unlimited

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calls.

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But if you don't make that many calls, you know, $55 a month you spend with Bell South

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may be overkill.

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If you only make, you know, a couple hours of phone calls a month, you know, you don't

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need to spend $55.

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You're paying for, like, what you actually use in VoiceBalls Connect, which is really nice.

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Yeah, that's very nice, again, especially if you don't make a lot of outgoing calls.

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And that's, again, to be determined by each individual person.

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But the point being, you can set up a PBX of your own in your house where you have control

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over it, and you're not at the mercy of your local telco anymore, and them setting the prices

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and giving you what options and features you want, by getting a PBX and setting up your own PBX,

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which is really the first step.

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All the other stuff we're saying, you know, you could do this, you could do it completely

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for free almost with using soft phone, or you could tie it into your VoIP line, or you could tie it into

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other things, or you could tie it into VoiceBalls Connect, or you could...

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There's so many different ors, but the key to all of this is having that PBX.

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So stage one would be pulling out the computer, putting the software on there, and trying it,

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getting it set up and running.

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Is that definitely the first step to try?

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Yeah, yeah, definitely.

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And how difficult would you say Asterix is to get up and running?

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Well, let me tell everybody right now, when you get Asterix, do not get a binary package of it.

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Get the latest source code you can from the CVS, and compile it yourself, and install it.

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From there, you're going to want to go to a website called VoIP-info.org,

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and those guys have all kinds of information about setting Asterix up and doing scripting with Asterix,

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everything like that.

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It's not easy to set up, I'm not going to lie to anybody.

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It's a pain in the ass, especially at first, you know, stuff just seems to not work for no reason.

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After a little while, you'll kind of get the hang of it, and it'll be a little bit easier.

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But I'd say the first week or so is going to be annoying.

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You know, things aren't going to work the way you think they are.

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But once you get it up and running, very cool, very worth it.

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And, of course, you can always come by the forums, forums.binrev.com.

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Any questions and posts, because quite a few of our users have some experience with this.

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Yeah, and I have a lot of personal notes, like on my machine, you know,

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save different places about, you know, problems that I've run into

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and solutions that I've come across for them.

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And when I get some time, I'm not going to promise this anytime soon,

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but when I get some time, I'm going to take those files, polish them up a little bit,

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and put them on Bell's Mind.

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I'm going to have a section dedicated to, like, configuring Asterix

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and dealing with Asterix problems and stuff like that.

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Because, you know, I use Asterix for the Bell's Mind PBX, and, you know,

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I work with it extensively every day and do some really weird stuff with it.

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So I figure I'll share that knowledge with everybody.

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Very cool.

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Very, very cool.

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Now, let's say someone is putting the software on.

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Like you said, it might be a little tricky to get set up the first time.

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Can they tinker around and get this set up and working with their, for example,

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Bell's South line or whatever line they happen to be using?

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Can they tie it in and get it working with that as a first step

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before they go canceling anything?

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Yeah, the only thing they're going to need to do is buy one of those FXO cards

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to hook the Asterix box up to their phone line.

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Dizium sells something called the X100P, which I think is like 75 bucks

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or maybe 100 bucks or something like that.

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But you can look anywhere online.

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If you go into Google, type X100P, no spaces, hit enter.

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You'll get a billion links that say X100P clone, $20.

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Some of them even $15.

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I got one for $12 at one point when the clones first came out.

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You can get a clone card and that will let you hook up your phone line

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to your Asterix box very cheaply.

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You're not going to get support from Dizium if they know that you have a clone card,

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but there's, like I said, tons of people online will be willing to help you out.

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And I know for a fact that these things work because a lot of people I know are using them.

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So, for a $15 investment, you can get started with Asterix with your current phone line.

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And a lot of people, they just might be more comfortable doing that to see and get it up and working.

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And then they can start tweaking and configuring Asterix,

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which is the other cool and fun addictive part of the whole thing.

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For example, like the, what do they call it, the crazy ex-girlfriend script, for example.

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Oh, yeah.

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You have a lot of control.

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The crazy ex-girlfriend and then routing them to a busy signal.

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Yeah, you can...

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Routing them to some error message, yeah.

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Yeah, and I don't know how much detail that you want to talk about some of the things that you can do,

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some of the power that you have over Asterix with scripting and with the configuration files, etc.

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Yeah, the, um...

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I mean, what is the crazy ex-girlfriend script for those who don't know?

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The crazy ex-girlfriend script is basically a script that, uh, I don't even think it's a script.

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I think it may be just, you know, part of the, uh, the dial plan text configuration file.

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Um, basically it says, if the caller ID matches this certain number,

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either send it to an extension that rings forever, or send it to a busy signal always.

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So anytime this person calls your number, they're always going to get a busy signal.

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They're always going to have it ring forever, so it's going to look like you're not home.

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Um, very good.

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Or you could send it to a, um, I think the joke that I read, the one that made me laugh,

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the one that made me laugh was sending them to a voice mailbox with a pre-recorded message saying,

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hey, you crazy bitch, stop calling my house.

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Yeah, or to the rejection hotline.

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If people go to Google and type in the rejection hotline and search for that,

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you'll find, uh, this phone number you can call to, uh, give to people that you,

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that you want to reject, basically.

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It's got a really funny message, um, so definitely call it and check it out.

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So yeah, you could forward it to that, no problem.

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Um, and again, if people don't want to spend any money to get into Astros,

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you can always register with FreeWorld Dial-Up.

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That's fwd.pulver.com, and you can use Astros with FreeWorld Dial-Up.

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You can call up your Astros box from FreeWorld Dial-Up and play with it from there.

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Then you don't need to buy a line card, and you don't need to subscribe to Voice Pulse Connect.

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So, that might be a viable option for some people.

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Very cool.

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So, PBX is like having a miniature phone company of your own, really.

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Yep.

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And if you want to get really involved, once you get into it, you know,

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you and your friends, if you all have Astros boxes, you can link them together.

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You can make, like, private phone calls between your box and their box.

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So you can make, like, your own little phone network between you and your friends.

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So, pretty cool.

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Set up voicemail boxes for all your friends.

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Mm-hmm.

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And the important thing, again, to emphasize,

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without going into any more detail than we already have, is the scripting.

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Well, I'm sorry.

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I'm saying scripting, but basically the configuration files

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and some scripting you can do on top of it, but a lot of the control that you have.

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Well, you can do silly things like, at a certain time of the day,

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change the menu system or change the message.

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Like, if you, a business, for example, that closes at 5 o'clock.

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5 o'clock comes, you say, sorry, but our offices are now closed,

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and send it to a voicemail box at the end of the day.

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Right.

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Things like that.

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I'll give you an example of that for businesses that handle, like, technical support calls.

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When people call in, they'll get a message saying, you know, you're being placed in the queue,

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and then they'll get music on hold until, you know, a technician picks up.

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At 5 o'clock, instead of routing them to that queue, it'll route them to this message that says,

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we're closed, like you said.

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But the people who were already waiting in the queue from before 5 o'clock

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will still get through to technical support, you know, once their lines are not busy anymore.

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So that timed menu change is very cool.

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And even on your home PBX, you could have the menus change and say, you know,

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put it straight to your voicemail box while you're at work.

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But when you come home, have it ring your home phone, you know, your little desk phone or something like that.

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Right, and I'm not sure if we even made that clear, but your PBX is going to be picking up the phone

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however you have it set up.

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You can have those, even though they're very, very annoying sometimes, those menu systems.

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Press 1 to talk to StankDog, press 2 to talk to NotTheory, press 3 to, you know,

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and route it accordingly or send it to a voicemail box accordingly, et cetera, et cetera.

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You have all that control now with this box.

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Now, why don't you talk about some of the things specifically?

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And again, some of the regular listeners, this may be repetition, this part of it,

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but give a short version of some of the stuff that you've used this for on the Bell's Mind PBX.

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Hmm.

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Like the shows and...

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Yeah, well, the shows are pretty simple.

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Basically, I take all the shows from MP3 files.

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I convert them to Waves, I normalize them and convert them to GSM file format

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because Asterisk deals with the GSM file format the best.

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And basically, I just have my menu, wait for you to type in a number,

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and then it looks for that file on the disk, like if you type in 058 on the BINREV menu.

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It looks for BINREV 058.GSM.

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And if it's there, then it starts playing it.

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Otherwise, it's supposed to take you back to the menu,

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but right now it hangs up because I'm too lazy to modify it.

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So if somebody wants to listen to episode 60 of Binary Revolution Radio,

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what we are playing right now, they can dial, tell them exactly how to get to it.

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How do you do it?

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You dial 810-223-0003.

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That's the number for the PBX.

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When you get to the main menu, you dial 3 for BINREV 060.

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And it'll say, now playing BINREV 060, and then you'll get into the show.

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And I'm actually using this fairly new piece of software for Asterisk called Control Playback,

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where if you want to fast-forward or rewind or pause, you can do that.

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Fast-forward is 9, fast-forward is 5 seconds.

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Rewind is 7, rewind is 5 seconds.

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So if you're listening to this show, let's say you're at work, you've got nothing to do,

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you're doing your nighttime security job or something like that, there's nothing to do.

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Call it to PBX, listen to some shows, you get call waiting or something like that.

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Hit star, flash over to your call waiting, talk to that person, hang up on your call waiting, hit star again,

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you're back to where you were on the show.

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Very, very cool.

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But I mean, that doesn't even involve the Asterisk scripting.

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The Asterisk scripting, I mean, you can just do ridiculously crazy things.

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You use a thing called AGI, which is the Application Gateway Interface.

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And basically, you write a Perl script, or you could write a PHP script or a script in pretty much any language.

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And you could say, you know, you can read digits from the user, you can playback files to the user,

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you can transfer them to different places, you can place calls from inside a script.

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So basically, anything the Asterisk PBX can do, you can do that with your scripts.

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So, you could set up a... I'm trying to think of a...

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A good example, I know, I'm trying to think of one myself.

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It's difficult, because I do have some good examples, but they're all kind of like covert features

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that I haven't really released yet, so...

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Well, perhaps on a future episode, but I think generally we've gotten the point across of,

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of how flexible it really is.

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Yeah.

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And you know what?

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Like, you know, we've said about Linux in general, and Linux software in general,

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it's all, for the most part, pretty flexible, because the fact that you have control.

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You know, that's what's so great about open source in general, is you have control,

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you can configure things to make, take advantage of all the features that are offered by the software,

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but then you can also script things behind it to automate a lot of stuff.

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And the same holds true with Asterisk, just like any other piece of software.

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Yeah, exactly.

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So it's definitely, definitely great.

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And on scripting is a nice way to implement features that you didn't, you know,

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that weren't in the initial implementation, so...

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Very cool.

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And I have to say that most open source projects, you know, maybe I'll write some scripts that add on to it,

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or something like that, like Asterisk, I'll write a Perl script that does this, or that, or this.

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Asterisk is one of the first projects, first open source projects that I've actually gone in

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and added features to the actual source code, because most of the time I'm just too lazy.

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If a piece of software doesn't have a feature I want, I just don't use it.

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But Asterisk, there were a couple of features missing from the administrative console,

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and I added those into the source code.

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It was pretty easy.

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The Asterisk source code, I've got to say, while in some places the comments aren't so good,

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it was easy enough for me in, I'd say, about 20 minutes to jump in there and add the feature that I needed.

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So, definitely worth your time.

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If you're looking to do something really cool or weird, poke through the source code and see what you can find.

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And I think you'll be surprised.

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Well, I think that was a whole lot of information compressed into this show,

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and if people are like me, they might be listening back to this twice to three times to make sure they picked up on everything.

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But we will definitely include links.

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We're going to have a lot of links in the show notes to all of the things we've talked about on the show tonight.

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Yep, definitely.

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Is there anything we left off or anything else you wanted to mention?

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I don't know.

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You know, I wish I had a lot more time to do this because there really are a lot of things.

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Yeah, I mean, we could really go into a lot more detail on it and a lot of other suggestions and ideas,

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but yeah, there's just certain limits that we have to deal with.

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But, I mean, I want to motivate people and I want people to feel confident to start and give this a shot.

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Is there anything we left out to convince people to do this?

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It's very low overhead hardware-wise.

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The software, obviously, is free to download and get set up and installed.

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And, again, the hardware options to even get started in testing are very cheap.

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And once you're comfortable with that, I think that would be the way I would personally start.

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Buy a couple of cheap hardware things to connect it to the phone that I have in the house.

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And once I feel comfortable using it and I've learned how to script and I've learned how to deal with the configuration files and stuff like that,

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then I would take the next step, which is what we talked about earlier, deciding whether or not I want to go with a VoIP provider of some sort.

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Right.

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Deciding if I want to go with a soft phone or tie it into a nice new...

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My long-term goal would be to tie it into a nice 5.8 gigahertz phone system.

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But I still, like I said, would like it to be invisible for the most part.

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Yeah.

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You know, if I've got someone else visiting in the house and they don't...

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They're not going to know what's going on.

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They want to pick up the phone and make a call.

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I want to make it invisible for the most part.

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Yeah.

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I think, honestly, for your application, the IAXE is the way to go.

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Yeah.

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So...

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But I'd also like to go back and revise something that I said.

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I said you could get it running a 64 megs of RAM.

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You probably can.

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I mean, if it's just running Asterisk.

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But I'm checking...

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I just checked in my process list right now.

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The Bellsmine PBX right now is running and it's taking...

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Asterisk itself is taking 54 megs of RAM.

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So you might want to go for a little bit more than 64 megs.

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Well, and is anybody...

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Is that how many people are using it right now, if any?

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Actually, you know what?

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I didn't check to see how many people are on it.

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Yeah.

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Because the more people...

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I assume the more processes, the more things that are going on with it,

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it's going to be higher.

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Yeah.

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It could be...

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There's four people on it right now.

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Actually, there's...

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Yeah, there's four or five people on it right now.

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So maybe that's just because I have a bunch of people on there.

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But by the way, you know what?

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64, the bare minimum.

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96 or 128.

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I mean, RAM is so cheap.

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Yeah.

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I was going to say, RAM is really, really cheap.

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And you can almost...

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I mean, you can almost find it being given away at places these days.

01:02:02.000 --> 01:02:04.000
But again, if you've got a junky old machine,

01:02:04.000 --> 01:02:06.000
you have nothing to lose by trying it and having it not work.

01:02:06.000 --> 01:02:07.000
Oh, absolutely.

01:02:07.000 --> 01:02:08.000
Yeah.

01:02:08.000 --> 01:02:09.000
What a whirl.

01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:10.000
Absolutely.

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Absolutely.

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So...

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And this machine right here, by the way, I'm using like...

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Just a little bit faster than a 2 gigahertz machine.

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I don't remember the exact specs of this box right here for the Bellsman PBX.

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But it's handled 25 calls with minimal CPU loads.

01:02:24.000 --> 01:02:25.000
So...

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25 simultaneous calls, that is.

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So...

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All right.

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Bandwidth is really the limitation at that point.

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So...

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I wouldn't really worry about it.

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So someone at home running on cable...

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Cable modem DSL shouldn't have any problems?

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No.

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A couple of calls.

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Like two?

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Maybe two or three calls simultaneously.

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256.

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But you know what?

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If you want to maintain really good call quality...

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Two or three calls is about the max for just the regular cable connection.

01:02:48.000 --> 01:02:51.000
But still, that's enough to make a nice little conference call with your friends.

01:02:51.000 --> 01:02:52.000
Yep.

01:02:52.000 --> 01:02:54.000
Serves its purpose.

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And especially if there's some people in the privileged areas...

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Not like me, unfortunately.

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I have 256 upload.

01:03:00.000 --> 01:03:03.000
But some places, I guess, have a lot more than that, huh?

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Yeah.

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If you've got one megabit upstream, like in New York...

01:03:05.000 --> 01:03:06.000
Cool.

01:03:06.000 --> 01:03:09.000
Man, you can very easily squeeze a bunch of calls on there.

01:03:09.000 --> 01:03:10.000
Man, that would be nice.

01:03:10.000 --> 01:03:12.000
The Bellsman PBX right now has got 10 megabits.

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So like I said, we had 25 calls going at some point.

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It was like two megabits or something of bandwidth for hours.

01:03:19.000 --> 01:03:21.000
And it was no big deal.

01:03:21.000 --> 01:03:22.000
You know?

01:03:22.000 --> 01:03:23.000
No sound quality?

01:03:23.000 --> 01:03:24.000
Sound degradation?

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No.

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I called it up and I was going through radio archives and I was joining different conferences

01:03:29.000 --> 01:03:30.000
and it sounded fine.

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Like nobody even knew how many people were on the PBX, so...

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Cool.

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Yeah, man.

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All right.

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Well, I guess that's going to wrap it up for that topic.

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We've got a full show now, but you know what?

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You want to knock out a couple other little things that have been on here for a while that

01:03:46.000 --> 01:03:47.000
I want to talk about?

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Certainly.

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Go for it.

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Actually, well, you sent me this, an email yesterday, I believe.

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This, to me, is just very clever and incredibly cool.

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Oh, yeah.

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I know what you're talking about.

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And, you know, all right.

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So, well, I think most of the listeners know what Gmail is by now.

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The Google email service that gives you one gigabyte of storage.

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Well, when that first came out, everybody, you know, creamed their pants going,

01:04:17.000 --> 01:04:19.000
oh my gosh, a gig of space.

01:04:19.000 --> 01:04:20.000
That's awesome.

01:04:20.000 --> 01:04:23.000
And everybody's, you know, the where's puppies are drooling that they're going to upload ISOs.

01:04:23.000 --> 01:04:28.000
And, you know, all these people just coming up with all kinds of ideas and stuff they're

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going to do.

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Like we said, I think when we talked about the show, they're going to limit the file size

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of what you can upload.

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So, it's not like it's going to be a, you can upload all your ISOs and upload all your

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whatever to the thing.

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Well, this gentleman, I don't know if, I don't know exactly how to approach this.

01:04:50.000 --> 01:04:53.000
Someone figured out, this is a Python script.

01:04:53.000 --> 01:04:59.000
This gentleman wrote a Python script that will allow you to actually use that one gigabyte.

01:04:59.000 --> 01:05:02.000
Because if you use it through the web interface, you can't upload big files.

01:05:02.000 --> 01:05:06.000
You know what, one gigabyte, whoop-dee-doo, you'll never be able to fill it.

01:05:06.000 --> 01:05:07.000
Emails are small.

01:05:07.000 --> 01:05:10.000
Even if you've got a lot of attachments, it's going to take a long time to fill up a gigabyte

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of email.

01:05:11.000 --> 01:05:15.000
I send a lot of attachments, send and receive a lot of attachments.

01:05:15.000 --> 01:05:19.000
And in the course of the last two years, I don't think I've gotten a gigabyte of email

01:05:19.000 --> 01:05:20.000
stored up.

01:05:20.000 --> 01:05:21.000
Yeah, me neither.

01:05:21.000 --> 01:05:22.000
Not even close.

01:05:22.000 --> 01:05:23.000
It's kind of overkill and silly.

01:05:23.000 --> 01:05:25.000
It was interesting at first, a gigabyte.

01:05:25.000 --> 01:05:26.000
Wow, you can do all this.

01:05:26.000 --> 01:05:27.000
You can do it.

01:05:27.000 --> 01:05:29.000
When reality set in, people are like, oh, wow.

01:05:29.000 --> 01:05:31.000
Yeah, I got a bunch of messages on there.

01:05:31.000 --> 01:05:34.000
But it's pretty much just like every other email provider.

01:05:34.000 --> 01:05:39.000
Well, this gentleman figured out a way to take advantage of all that space.

01:05:39.000 --> 01:05:44.000
If they're going to give it to you, well, damn it, take advantage of it and use it as

01:05:44.000 --> 01:05:45.000
best you can.

01:05:45.000 --> 01:05:52.000
And someone has written a Python script that will allow you to, it's called the Gmail file

01:05:52.000 --> 01:05:59.000
system, that will allow you to mount your Gmail account as a file system in Linux.

01:05:59.000 --> 01:06:04.000
So that you can map to it, you can store files to it, et cetera, et cetera.

01:06:04.000 --> 01:06:05.000
Oh, yeah.

01:06:05.000 --> 01:06:08.000
Very, very neat in my mind.

01:06:08.000 --> 01:06:15.000
I've seen the screenshots and just being able to copy files to your Gmail FS, man, unbelievable.

01:06:15.000 --> 01:06:18.000
Yeah, taking a sip of iced tea there for that one.

01:06:18.000 --> 01:06:21.000
That is clever and that's hacking.

01:06:21.000 --> 01:06:22.000
Yeah.

01:06:22.000 --> 01:06:23.000
That is hacking.

01:06:23.000 --> 01:06:28.000
That is true hacking right there, figuring out, you know what, it's just, it's there.

01:06:28.000 --> 01:06:30.000
It's just tempting you and teasing you.

01:06:30.000 --> 01:06:33.000
Look at me, I'm a gigabyte of storage, but you can't use me.

01:06:33.000 --> 01:06:34.000
Guess what?

01:06:34.000 --> 01:06:35.000
Someone can.

01:06:35.000 --> 01:06:36.000
Someone figured out how.

01:06:36.000 --> 01:06:39.000
Now, do you think this will last very long?

01:06:39.000 --> 01:06:41.000
Do you think Google will shut this down somehow?

01:06:41.000 --> 01:06:42.000
You know something?

01:06:42.000 --> 01:06:43.000
I'm not really sure.

01:06:43.000 --> 01:06:47.000
I think, I think they might just watch it for a little while and see if it gets abused.

01:06:47.000 --> 01:06:50.000
But if it really picks up, I'm sure that they'll shut it down.

01:06:50.000 --> 01:06:51.000
Yeah.

01:06:51.000 --> 01:06:52.000
I suspect the same.

01:06:52.000 --> 01:06:54.000
They didn't really anticipate everyone using their gigabyte up.

01:06:54.000 --> 01:06:59.000
They don't have the space for it, I'm sure, to handle, you know, a million users all having,

01:06:59.000 --> 01:07:04.000
like, gigabytes of junk on there or, you know, 10 million users or however many users they

01:07:04.000 --> 01:07:05.000
have.

01:07:05.000 --> 01:07:11.000
I don't really know, but they can't, you can't give a gig to everyone and have them fill it.

01:07:11.000 --> 01:07:12.000
Yeah.

01:07:12.000 --> 01:07:14.000
So, you know, check this out.

01:07:14.000 --> 01:07:20.000
It's at richard.jones.name, N-A-M-E.

01:07:20.000 --> 01:07:23.000
The name, I think that's the first time I've ever seen the name extension.

01:07:23.000 --> 01:07:25.000
Definitely the first time I've ever used it on the show.

01:07:25.000 --> 01:07:26.000
Yeah, definitely.

01:07:26.000 --> 01:07:28.000
So, he's got a first right there.

01:07:28.000 --> 01:07:29.000
Weird.

01:07:29.000 --> 01:07:35.000
But go there, and you'll see Google, well, under Google Hacks, Gmail FS, and you can read

01:07:35.000 --> 01:07:38.000
all about it, download it, check it out.

01:07:38.000 --> 01:07:39.000
See the screenshot.

01:07:39.000 --> 01:07:41.000
See, the screenshot is really cool.

01:07:41.000 --> 01:07:42.000
Oh, yeah.

01:07:42.000 --> 01:07:46.000
Because the irony and the, it's just, it's a beautiful screenshot.

01:07:46.000 --> 01:07:49.000
If you understand what's going on, and I'm not going to explain it on the air, take a look

01:07:49.000 --> 01:07:53.000
at it and understand what's going on, because I didn't at first, actually.

01:07:53.000 --> 01:08:01.000
Take a look at what's going on in that screenshot, and it's pretty, it's pretty leet.

01:08:01.000 --> 01:08:03.000
Yeah, I was blown away by it when I saw it.

01:08:03.000 --> 01:08:05.000
I was like, wait a second, he can't be doing that.

01:08:05.000 --> 01:08:06.000
Nope, he really is.

01:08:06.000 --> 01:08:07.000
That's leet.

01:08:07.000 --> 01:08:09.000
That is leet.

01:08:09.000 --> 01:08:13.000
Especially that he's going back to Gmail in the browser.

01:08:13.000 --> 01:08:14.000
That's awesome.

01:08:14.000 --> 01:08:16.000
It's recursion at its best.

01:08:16.000 --> 01:08:17.000
Yeah, exactly.

01:08:17.000 --> 01:08:19.000
It's that, God, you gotta love recursion jokes.

01:08:19.000 --> 01:08:20.000
Yep.

01:08:20.000 --> 01:08:21.000
Recursion jokes.

01:08:21.000 --> 01:08:22.000
Well, I'd say they never get old.

01:08:22.000 --> 01:08:23.000
They almost never get old.

01:08:23.000 --> 01:08:24.000
They almost never get old.

01:08:24.000 --> 01:08:25.000
They almost never get old.

01:08:25.000 --> 01:08:27.000
Oh, man.

01:08:27.000 --> 01:08:29.000
You know what never gets old?

01:08:29.000 --> 01:08:30.000
Jug band music.

01:08:30.000 --> 01:08:31.000
Oh, my God.

01:08:31.000 --> 01:08:32.000
That never gets old.

01:08:32.000 --> 01:08:33.000
Man, we'll see you next week.

01:08:33.000 --> 01:08:37.000
Actually, I guess we probably should have wrapped it up.

01:08:37.000 --> 01:08:38.000
Yeah.

01:08:38.000 --> 01:08:39.000
Go jug bands for me.

01:08:39.000 --> 01:08:43.000
No, you know what, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, as long as I've got a few minutes, I've got

01:08:43.000 --> 01:08:44.000
a rant.

01:08:44.000 --> 01:08:45.000
Can I get this rant off my chest?

01:08:45.000 --> 01:08:46.000
Whoa, whoa, whoa, wait.

01:08:46.000 --> 01:08:47.000
Does it have anything to do with jug bands?

01:08:47.000 --> 01:08:48.000
No.

01:08:48.000 --> 01:08:49.000
No.

01:08:49.000 --> 01:08:51.000
Okay, then you have not been vetoed.

01:08:51.000 --> 01:08:52.000
Okay.

01:08:52.000 --> 01:08:53.000
All right.

01:08:53.000 --> 01:08:55.000
Actually, no, I'm sorry, there's two things.

01:08:55.000 --> 01:08:57.000
Before I go into a rant, I have one quick news item.

01:08:57.000 --> 01:09:00.000
This is last month, actually, July 19th.

01:09:00.000 --> 01:09:04.000
Lindos officially changed their name to Linspire.

01:09:04.000 --> 01:09:10.000
Lindos, which was the Linux distribution that was attempting to look and feel like Windows,

01:09:10.000 --> 01:09:13.000
trying to cross over and get those Windows users over.

01:09:13.000 --> 01:09:18.000
They called it Lindos, and they've been in a legal fight with Microsoft all this time

01:09:18.000 --> 01:09:21.000
over trademark of Windows versus Lindos, et cetera.

01:09:21.000 --> 01:09:24.000
July 19th, they settled it.

01:09:24.000 --> 01:09:29.000
And when I say settled, I guess that means they pretty much lost, because they changed the

01:09:29.000 --> 01:09:32.000
name to Linspire.

01:09:32.000 --> 01:09:35.000
So, if you're looking for anything Lindos related anymore, you're not going to find

01:09:35.000 --> 01:09:36.000
it.

01:09:36.000 --> 01:09:38.000
They've changed the site to linspire.com.

01:09:38.000 --> 01:09:40.000
You'll be redirected.

01:09:40.000 --> 01:09:44.000
Any new distros that they release now are coming under the name Linspire.

01:09:44.000 --> 01:09:45.000
You know what?

01:09:48.000 --> 01:09:51.000
Oh, I can't say this without using bad words, so I'm just going to do it.

01:09:51.000 --> 01:09:52.000
I'm sorry.

01:09:52.000 --> 01:09:57.000
You're going to have to bleep this part out when you play Episode 60, but a piece of shit

01:09:57.000 --> 01:09:59.000
is still a piece of shit no matter what you call it.

01:09:59.000 --> 01:10:00.000
Hey, what are you talking about?

01:10:00.000 --> 01:10:02.000
I use Lindos on all of my machines.

01:10:02.000 --> 01:10:03.000
Yeah, right.

01:10:03.000 --> 01:10:04.000
Sure you do.

01:10:04.000 --> 01:10:05.000
Oh, come on.

01:10:05.000 --> 01:10:07.000
I'm all upset now that I have to upgrade to Linspire.

01:10:07.000 --> 01:10:08.000
Yeah.

01:10:08.000 --> 01:10:09.000
I love my Lindos.

01:10:09.000 --> 01:10:10.000
Rename everything.

01:10:10.000 --> 01:10:12.000
Linspire, because you're inspired by Linux, I guess.

01:10:12.000 --> 01:10:14.000
Is that what that's supposed to be a play on?

01:10:14.000 --> 01:10:15.000
You know something?

01:10:15.000 --> 01:10:17.000
We need to stop talking about this, because I'm going to get so mad I'm going to punch

01:10:17.000 --> 01:10:18.000
through my monitor.

01:10:18.000 --> 01:10:19.000
Charging for a...

01:10:19.000 --> 01:10:20.000
Oh, stupid.

01:10:20.000 --> 01:10:21.000
Oh, my God.

01:10:21.000 --> 01:10:22.000
Charging for a free...

01:10:22.000 --> 01:10:23.000
Never mind.

01:10:23.000 --> 01:10:24.000
Anyway.

01:10:24.000 --> 01:10:25.000
Yeah, my closing rant.

01:10:25.000 --> 01:10:27.000
I've ranted about this company before.

01:10:27.000 --> 01:10:31.000
They crossed the line again with me, these bastards.

01:10:31.000 --> 01:10:32.000
You know what?

01:10:32.000 --> 01:10:37.000
You might as well just start bleeping now for about the next three or four minutes, because

01:10:37.000 --> 01:10:43.000
I am going on the record once again to say real media sucks my ball sack.

01:10:43.000 --> 01:10:45.000
I hate real player.

01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:46.000
I hate real media.

01:10:46.000 --> 01:10:50.000
I don't know why I keep going back, and I know why, because you go to a website, you

01:10:50.000 --> 01:10:53.000
want something, hear something, you want to see something on the website, and they've

01:10:53.000 --> 01:10:57.000
only got one format, the freaking real media format.

01:10:57.000 --> 01:11:00.000
So that's why I end up having to do it if there's something I need.

01:11:00.000 --> 01:11:01.000
Oh!

01:11:01.000 --> 01:11:07.000
I went to a web page that had real video embedded into it.

01:11:07.000 --> 01:11:08.000
Nice.

01:11:08.000 --> 01:11:12.000
Okay, first of all, embedding anything into a page that's auto-starts.

01:11:12.000 --> 01:11:17.000
Didn't anybody learn from GeoCities back in the day in AngelFire 1.0 that people hate

01:11:17.000 --> 01:11:21.000
it when you start playing your MIDI files when I hit the web page?

01:11:21.000 --> 01:11:26.000
I don't want to hear the fucking sugar bomb fairy when I visit your site.

01:11:26.000 --> 01:11:28.000
Turn that shit off!

01:11:28.000 --> 01:11:29.000
Okay?

01:11:29.000 --> 01:11:30.000
Oh my god.

01:11:30.000 --> 01:11:31.000
I fucking hate that.

01:11:31.000 --> 01:11:33.000
Nobody wants shit to auto-play.

01:11:33.000 --> 01:11:35.000
That's also one of the big things against Flash.

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People don't like Flash that automatically starts when the site comes, because a lot of

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other people are on dial-up, and it's too slow and everything.

01:11:41.000 --> 01:11:42.000
You know what?

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Stop embedding shit into your page.

01:11:44.000 --> 01:11:46.000
Stick with standard HTML, first of all.

01:11:46.000 --> 01:11:52.000
Second of all, media, particularly real media, sucks.

01:11:52.000 --> 01:11:54.000
It's complete garbage.

01:11:54.000 --> 01:11:59.000
The software is poorly written, the performance is horrible, it's always buffering something,

01:11:59.000 --> 01:12:02.000
the quality is crap.

01:12:02.000 --> 01:12:08.000
I went to a page that had real video embedded into it, and all of a sudden, here I am browsing

01:12:08.000 --> 01:12:13.000
along, and I was in Firefox, so I had like six or seven other tabs open.

01:12:13.000 --> 01:12:17.000
I keep Firefox open for like weeks at a time.

01:12:17.000 --> 01:12:20.000
And I have multiple tabs of stuff that I'm in the middle of researching, articles I'm looking

01:12:20.000 --> 01:12:26.000
up, I had some notepads open, I had Edit Plus open where I was working on an article,

01:12:26.000 --> 01:12:31.000
I had a bunch of applications open, of course I had things running in the tray, yada yada yada.

01:12:31.000 --> 01:12:34.000
My system's running full bleed, right?

01:12:34.000 --> 01:12:40.000
All of a sudden, the page I'm going to, with the embedded real player, decides to contact

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real media servers and fucking update itself for no damn reason.

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I didn't tell it to do that.

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So it just starts updating itself.

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Okay, well fine, you're going to update yourself, you cock, if that's the way you're written,

01:12:53.000 --> 01:12:54.000
fine, update yourself.

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But do you know what it did next?

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Do you know what it did next?

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I'm going to guess that it did something you didn't like.

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It decided that, oh, well since I've updated myself, I'm going to have to restart your computer.

01:13:10.000 --> 01:13:13.000
Your computer will restart in ten seconds.

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What, no!

01:13:14.000 --> 01:13:17.000
No, my computer will not restart in ten fucking seconds, do you?

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If you turn my computer off, I'm yelling at my computer screen.

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I'm yelling at my computer machine.

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If you restart in ten seconds, I am going to kick you in the nuts.

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And you know what it did?

01:13:28.000 --> 01:13:29.000
It restarted.

01:13:29.000 --> 01:13:31.000
I lost all of my tabs.

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I lost all of the things.

01:13:32.000 --> 01:13:35.000
I did not have them bookmarked because I'm using them right now.

01:13:35.000 --> 01:13:36.000
I don't bookmark everything.

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I lost it.

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I lost the stuff that I was in the middle of working on.

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Articles that I had made progress on.

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For the most part, I saved those frequently.

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I lost everything because real fucking media decided it was going to update itself without my fucking permission.

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So real media, you suck my cock.

01:13:55.000 --> 01:13:56.000
There.

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That's my rant of the fucking episode.

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That's my rant of the month.

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I've been saving that for so fucking long.

01:14:02.000 --> 01:14:04.000
I hate real media.

01:14:04.000 --> 01:14:06.000
You know, Stank.

01:14:06.000 --> 01:14:07.000
I'm sweating.

01:14:07.000 --> 01:14:08.000
What's up on the show?

01:14:08.000 --> 01:14:16.000
And you could have just told me straight up, instead of making a fool out of me, that you wanted me to take the Dance of the Sugar Plum Fairies off of me.

01:14:16.000 --> 01:14:19.000
You should put that on Bell's Mind now as a joke.

01:14:19.000 --> 01:14:21.000
Oh my god.

01:14:21.000 --> 01:14:22.000
How funny would that be?

01:14:22.000 --> 01:14:24.000
My head counter would definitely drop to zero.

01:14:24.000 --> 01:14:26.000
How funny would that be though?

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No, that wouldn't be funny at all.

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Oh man, alright.

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After you submit a number, I'll play a random MIDI file.

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The Sugar Plum.

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I don't know where that came from.

01:14:36.000 --> 01:14:37.000
Dance of the Sugar Plum Fairies.

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The Sugar Plum Fairies.

01:14:38.000 --> 01:14:39.000
That's certainly not in the show notes.

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That just popped out of the...

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I don't know.

01:14:42.000 --> 01:14:43.000
My brain works.

01:14:43.000 --> 01:14:44.000
My brain's broken.

01:14:44.000 --> 01:14:45.000
I don't know what to tell you.

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Oh, anyway.

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Let's wrap the show up with that.

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What kind of time here?

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Did I go over?

01:14:50.000 --> 01:14:51.000
No, we're good.

01:14:51.000 --> 01:14:52.000
Oh yeah.

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You went over.

01:14:53.000 --> 01:14:54.000
We're good.

01:14:54.000 --> 01:14:55.000
We're good.

01:14:55.000 --> 01:14:56.000
Whatever.

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Alright.

01:14:57.000 --> 01:14:58.000
Let's see.

01:14:58.000 --> 01:15:00.000
Well, I probably shouldn't touch this topic all worked up now and pissed off.

01:15:00.000 --> 01:15:01.000
I think I can...

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I'm going to make this very straightforward and kind of come out and make a little bit

01:15:05.000 --> 01:15:08.000
of an announcement, a commentary, whatever you want to call it.

01:15:08.000 --> 01:15:09.000
Do not...

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This does not necessarily...

01:15:11.000 --> 01:15:12.000
Wait a minute.

01:15:12.000 --> 01:15:13.000
How do they word that?

01:15:13.000 --> 01:15:14.000
The views and opinions...

01:15:14.000 --> 01:15:17.000
Do not reflect the something.

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The rant radio or any of the rest of DDP or binary, whatever.

01:15:22.000 --> 01:15:26.000
This is what I think and I'm going to say this because I damn well think it needs to

01:15:26.000 --> 01:15:27.000
be said.

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I heard wind up at Hope and since Hope and even before Hope about some so-called hackers

01:15:39.000 --> 01:15:44.000
and I'm not going to dignify them by saying hackers, some so-called hackers, some of these

01:15:44.000 --> 01:15:52.000
hacktivists, as they like to call themselves, that were planning on disrupting the Republican

01:15:52.000 --> 01:15:54.000
National Convention.

01:15:54.000 --> 01:15:59.000
Now, it doesn't matter if it's a Republican National Convention, the Democratic National

01:15:59.000 --> 01:16:04.000
Convention, that's not the issue at all, so don't give me that crap.

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The fact is, attacking any kind of political website and planning it and doing it under

01:16:13.000 --> 01:16:17.000
the name of hackers, no.

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You do not represent me.

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And I just want to go on the record, again speaking only for myself and anybody else,

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you guys can agree, you can disagree, you can write me and say no, that you guys do support

01:16:30.000 --> 01:16:31.000
it, that's all fine.

01:16:31.000 --> 01:16:37.000
But I'm coming out on this show and saying that I hereby condemn any type of attacks on

01:16:37.000 --> 01:16:39.000
these websites, any denial of service.

01:16:39.000 --> 01:16:41.000
That's exactly what we do not need.

01:16:41.000 --> 01:16:44.000
That is not what hacking is about.

01:16:44.000 --> 01:16:46.000
That is not hacking.

01:16:46.000 --> 01:16:51.000
It absolutely isn't and that is definitely not what we need as hackers right now when we're

01:16:51.000 --> 01:16:53.000
actually making some headway.

01:16:53.000 --> 01:16:57.000
Anyway, you're going to go out here, anybody involved in this is going to go out here under

01:16:57.000 --> 01:16:59.000
the name of hackers, which you're not.

01:16:59.000 --> 01:17:00.000
Let me repeat that again.

01:17:00.000 --> 01:17:02.000
You are not if you do stuff like this.

01:17:02.000 --> 01:17:03.000
This is not hacking.

01:17:03.000 --> 01:17:07.000
You're going out there as script kiddies under the name of hackers and you're going to go

01:17:07.000 --> 01:17:10.000
out and you know what, we're going to get drug through the mud again, dragged, drug,

01:17:10.000 --> 01:17:18.000
whatever the proper grammar is, and treated back to the old evil hackers nomenclature that

01:17:18.000 --> 01:17:22.000
we've always had all this time, this whole idea of what hackers are, and you're going

01:17:22.000 --> 01:17:25.000
to go out and the media is going to jump all over it and you're going to set us back

01:17:25.000 --> 01:17:28.000
15 years with actions like this.

01:17:28.000 --> 01:17:34.000
So I, Stank Dog, personally come out and condemn any actions like this.

01:17:34.000 --> 01:17:38.000
And if you're listening to this and you are partaking in it, do not do it in my name.

01:17:38.000 --> 01:17:40.000
Do not do it in the name of hackers.

01:17:40.000 --> 01:17:44.000
Do not do it in the name of anything related to me personally.

01:17:44.000 --> 01:17:50.000
I hereby condemn it and I hope other people know the difference between what these people

01:17:50.000 --> 01:17:56.000
are doing and what hacking is and realize that they are in no way, shape, or form related.

01:17:56.000 --> 01:17:57.000
I absolutely despise it.

01:17:57.000 --> 01:17:58.000
Let me clarify for myself personally.

01:17:58.000 --> 01:18:03.000
I tend to agree with you, and not just in the sense of political websites, just websites

01:18:03.000 --> 01:18:04.000
in general.

01:18:04.000 --> 01:18:08.000
Don't claim that your little DDoS attack is hacking because you want to know what it really

01:18:08.000 --> 01:18:09.000
is?

01:18:09.000 --> 01:18:10.000
It's censorship.

01:18:10.000 --> 01:18:14.000
If you fucking try to tell me you believe in free speech and you're going to DDoS somebody

01:18:14.000 --> 01:18:17.000
so they can't say what they want to say, you don't believe in free speech.

01:18:17.000 --> 01:18:19.000
You believe in censorship.

01:18:19.000 --> 01:18:23.000
Oh, but they're exercising their free speech by performing the denial of service, right?

01:18:23.000 --> 01:18:24.000
No, no, no.

01:18:24.000 --> 01:18:25.000
That's not free speech.

01:18:25.000 --> 01:18:27.000
That's like saying, you know, I have the right to, you know, run around the streets

01:18:27.000 --> 01:18:29.000
and scream anything I want because it's free speech.

01:18:29.000 --> 01:18:34.000
It's not, you're not exercising your right when you're infringing on somebody else's right.

01:18:34.000 --> 01:18:35.000
You know?

01:18:35.000 --> 01:18:36.000
Yep.

01:18:36.000 --> 01:18:37.000
Yep.

01:18:37.000 --> 01:18:38.000
And you know what?

01:18:38.000 --> 01:18:42.000
If you're running around the street naked screaming, there's consequences for every

01:18:42.000 --> 01:18:43.000
action as well.

01:18:43.000 --> 01:18:47.000
The consequences for that one might not be too pretty, but you know what?

01:18:47.000 --> 01:18:51.000
The consequences for doing what some of you people are going to do and may already

01:18:51.000 --> 01:18:54.000
be doing, I hope you get both barrels.

01:18:54.000 --> 01:18:57.000
I hope you get the full consequences of your actions.

01:18:57.000 --> 01:19:05.000
So, on that bright note, this is actually the 31st, Tuesday, August 31st.

01:19:05.000 --> 01:19:09.000
That means this Friday is the first Friday of September.

01:19:09.000 --> 01:19:11.000
So, you have 2600 meetings.

01:19:11.000 --> 01:19:16.000
So, or DEFCON meetings or binary revolution meetings or whatever you're going to call your

01:19:16.000 --> 01:19:17.000
meeting.

01:19:17.000 --> 01:19:19.000
Your hacker meetings are generally first Friday of the month, whatever they happen to be.

01:19:19.000 --> 01:19:22.000
So, make plans, try to make it.

01:19:22.000 --> 01:19:26.000
If you're going for the first time, try to go, check it out, see if there's a scene.

01:19:26.000 --> 01:19:29.000
I know there are some new meetings talked about in the forums.

01:19:29.000 --> 01:19:30.000
People are starting some more up.

01:19:30.000 --> 01:19:32.000
So, good luck to them.

01:19:32.000 --> 01:19:34.000
And, to the shout outs.

01:19:34.000 --> 01:19:37.000
I'll let you start first if you'd like.

01:19:37.000 --> 01:19:38.000
Sure.

01:19:38.000 --> 01:19:43.000
My shout outs, actually this one, this one's kind of last minute because I was just browsing

01:19:43.000 --> 01:19:47.000
through the forums and apparently Freakblade has posted that YoungBrain was in an ATV accident.

01:19:47.000 --> 01:19:48.000
No.

01:19:48.000 --> 01:19:50.000
And he was kind of in the hospital and fucked up.

01:19:50.000 --> 01:19:53.000
So, if that truly is the case, then my shout outs go to YoungBrain.

01:19:53.000 --> 01:19:54.000
Hopefully everything works out.

01:19:54.000 --> 01:19:55.000
Hopefully he's alright.

01:19:55.000 --> 01:19:58.000
And that's about it.

01:19:58.000 --> 01:19:59.000
Wow.

01:19:59.000 --> 01:20:00.000
That's terrible.

01:20:00.000 --> 01:20:02.000
I definitely second that.

01:20:02.000 --> 01:20:03.000
I hope he's okay.

01:20:03.000 --> 01:20:06.000
I'll have to jump on the forums and check that out myself.

01:20:06.000 --> 01:20:08.000
I hope, definitely hope he's okay.

01:20:08.000 --> 01:20:10.000
I hate to hear news like that.

01:20:10.000 --> 01:20:19.000
I guess we can give shout outs to the regular crew, to Lucky225, Doug, go check out DougTV, DougTV.com.

01:20:19.000 --> 01:20:20.000
Is that right?

01:20:20.000 --> 01:20:21.000
DougTV.org or something?

01:20:21.000 --> 01:20:22.000
I'm not really sure.

01:20:22.000 --> 01:20:23.000
I think it's .com.

01:20:23.000 --> 01:20:24.000
I'm not positive.

01:20:24.000 --> 01:20:25.000
But DougTV.com or DougTV.org.

01:20:25.000 --> 01:20:27.000
I think it's DougTV.com.

01:20:27.000 --> 01:20:34.000
And, obviously, I'm going to have to give personal shouts to the Bland Inquisitor and Dual Parallel.

01:20:34.000 --> 01:20:38.000
And, they are taking care of business.

01:20:38.000 --> 01:20:40.000
Got to go and do their own things.

01:20:40.000 --> 01:20:42.000
Got to do the important things in life.

01:20:42.000 --> 01:20:45.000
Something that we always have and always will support it.

01:20:45.000 --> 01:20:47.000
So, best of luck to them.

01:20:47.000 --> 01:20:49.000
They know we're always here for them.

01:20:49.000 --> 01:20:51.000
And, we'll always be friends.

01:20:51.000 --> 01:20:53.000
But, they're going to have to step away for a little while.

01:20:53.000 --> 01:20:55.000
And, take care of real life.

01:20:55.000 --> 01:20:56.000
And, you know what?

01:20:56.000 --> 01:20:58.000
It's the best thing for everybody.

01:20:58.000 --> 01:20:59.000
And, we're all happy about it.

01:20:59.000 --> 01:21:02.000
And, we're all perfectly okay with it.

01:21:02.000 --> 01:21:03.000
So, everything's cool.

01:21:03.000 --> 01:21:07.000
So, like I said before, don't go worrying or starting anything about it.

01:21:07.000 --> 01:21:09.000
It's just real life taking its course.

01:21:09.000 --> 01:21:13.000
So, that is going to do it.

01:21:13.000 --> 01:21:16.000
I guess, let's see.

01:21:16.000 --> 01:21:19.000
Closing music today, I'm going to go back to Tech 9.

01:21:19.000 --> 01:21:21.000
I really like this guy.

01:21:21.000 --> 01:21:22.000
Tech 9.

01:21:22.000 --> 01:21:24.000
And, this is probably my favorite track off of the album.

01:21:24.000 --> 01:21:26.000
It's called, I'm a Tell.

01:21:26.000 --> 01:21:28.000
So, we're going to close with that.

01:21:28.000 --> 01:21:31.000
And, if you have, you want to email us about anything,

01:21:31.000 --> 01:21:34.000
the address is radio at binrev.com.

01:21:34.000 --> 01:21:36.000
Article submissions.

01:21:36.000 --> 01:21:38.000
It looks like we're going to give you to the end of September.

01:21:38.000 --> 01:21:40.000
And, then we're going to start laying the magazine out.

01:21:40.000 --> 01:21:43.000
So, you have until the end of September to submit some stuff in.

01:21:43.000 --> 01:21:47.000
Also, besides that, it's really going to be first come.

01:21:47.000 --> 01:21:51.000
I mean, like if we get enough to fill the magazine.

01:21:51.000 --> 01:21:56.000
And, we get something good in a month after or a week after.

01:21:56.000 --> 01:21:57.000
And, it's already full.

01:21:57.000 --> 01:21:58.000
You're going to be too late.

01:21:58.000 --> 01:22:00.000
So, you don't want to wait until the end of September.

01:22:00.000 --> 01:22:02.000
You want to get it in to us as soon as possible.

01:22:02.000 --> 01:22:05.000
Because, as soon as we get enough good articles, it's going to be closed.

01:22:05.000 --> 01:22:07.000
And, we're going to start holding for the next one.

01:22:07.000 --> 01:22:10.000
So, you want to get them in as soon as possible.

01:22:10.000 --> 01:22:15.000
And, also something I'm going to ask this time is, we'd like some feedback on the magazine.

01:22:15.000 --> 01:22:17.000
And, the content of the magazine itself.

01:22:17.000 --> 01:22:20.000
We get a lot of feedback on the show.

01:22:20.000 --> 01:22:24.000
And, we get a lot of feedback in the forums somewhat.

01:22:24.000 --> 01:22:31.000
But, I'd like to hear some feedback on the articles and the content of Binary Revolution magazine.

01:22:31.000 --> 01:22:34.000
Did you like, you know, the back spoofing article?

01:22:34.000 --> 01:22:36.000
Do you like having the Pearl Corner section?

01:22:36.000 --> 01:22:38.000
Do you like the Hacking 101?

01:22:38.000 --> 01:22:39.000
Do you hate the Hacking 101?

01:22:39.000 --> 01:22:41.000
Do you want to see more of this and less of that?

01:22:41.000 --> 01:22:45.000
I'd like to start getting some feedback on the actual magazine.

01:22:45.000 --> 01:22:48.000
And, I know a lot of listeners of the show have bought the magazine.

01:22:48.000 --> 01:22:50.000
Or, at least I hope they have.

01:22:50.000 --> 01:22:54.000
So, please send feedback on the magazine itself to letters at binrev.com.

01:22:54.000 --> 01:22:58.000
And, we'd like to start printing some of those in the letter section of the magazine.

01:22:58.000 --> 01:23:02.000
So, right now the letter section is populated from a lot of different sources.

01:23:02.000 --> 01:23:04.000
Different email addresses and some from the forums.

01:23:04.000 --> 01:23:08.000
So, please start sending us some email on the magazine itself.

01:23:08.000 --> 01:23:11.000
And, not theory, thank you for being on the show.

01:23:11.000 --> 01:23:13.000
Not a problem.

01:23:13.000 --> 01:23:16.000
Thank you for about 20 outtakes.

01:23:16.000 --> 01:23:17.000
Oh, Jesus.

01:23:17.000 --> 01:23:20.000
This next clip show or whatever is going to be terrible.

01:23:20.000 --> 01:23:21.000
It's going to be, yeah.

01:23:21.000 --> 01:23:23.000
You know, this almost turned into a clip show.

01:23:23.000 --> 01:23:26.000
We had so many rough starts.

01:23:26.000 --> 01:23:28.000
We need the flashback show.

01:23:28.000 --> 01:23:30.000
Then we can be like a real show that jumped the shark.

01:23:30.000 --> 01:23:31.000
Yeah.

01:23:31.000 --> 01:23:33.000
We can always have like...

01:23:33.000 --> 01:23:34.000
Remember that...

01:23:34.000 --> 01:23:35.000
And, we'll have like some music.

01:23:35.000 --> 01:23:36.000
Like when your thing thing goes...

01:23:36.000 --> 01:23:37.000
Blum, blum, blum, blum, blum.

01:23:37.000 --> 01:23:40.000
And, then it goes like back in time.

01:23:40.000 --> 01:23:41.000
Maybe not.

01:23:41.000 --> 01:23:42.000
Oh, God.

01:23:42.000 --> 01:23:43.000
Anyway.

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This is the part of the show where we tell everybody that we will see them next week.

01:23:47.000 --> 01:23:50.000
Same Jug Band time.

01:23:50.000 --> 01:23:52.000
Same Jug Band channel.

01:24:03.000 --> 01:24:04.000
Check 9.

01:24:04.000 --> 01:24:05.000
Check 9.

01:24:05.000 --> 01:24:06.000
Rock it.

01:24:06.000 --> 01:24:07.000
This is done.

01:24:07.000 --> 01:24:08.000
You know.

01:24:08.000 --> 01:24:09.000
I'ma say stop or I'm gonna tell you.

01:24:09.000 --> 01:24:10.000
JC.

01:24:10.000 --> 01:24:12.000
This is the town where the clowns put it down, baby.

01:24:12.000 --> 01:24:13.000
I'ma say stop or I'm gonna tell you.

01:24:13.000 --> 01:24:15.000
I told you we wasn't playing.

01:24:15.000 --> 01:24:16.000
Ha!

01:24:16.000 --> 01:24:18.000
Close the door before your child hear the sound, baby.

01:24:18.000 --> 01:24:20.000
I'ma say stop or I'm gonna tell you.

01:24:20.000 --> 01:24:21.000
I'ma say stop or I'm gonna tell you.

01:24:21.000 --> 01:24:22.000
Yo!

01:24:22.000 --> 01:24:23.000
Yo!

01:24:23.000 --> 01:24:25.000
The killer clowns in your town racing all hell.

01:24:25.000 --> 01:24:28.000
Checking in with the stamina coming to damage a buck in the barrel when I bust with a bang.

01:24:28.000 --> 01:24:31.000
And it ain't no claws that say fraud ain't no tall tale.

01:24:31.000 --> 01:24:34.000
Women love it when I hit when I cover the booty they giving it to me but it ain't no thang.

01:24:34.000 --> 01:24:37.000
We reffing KC Moe, fellas and the ladies know.

01:24:37.000 --> 01:24:40.000
Then we coming with the killers and with the gorillas the villains that get you when you disrespect us.

01:24:40.000 --> 01:24:41.000
Even the babies know.

01:24:41.000 --> 01:24:43.000
Technina got crazy flow.

01:24:43.000 --> 01:24:46.000
We be giving the women the will and we sick of the haters when the pairs gonna get this record.

01:24:46.000 --> 01:24:49.000
This is important we be courting every place we go.

01:24:49.000 --> 01:24:51.000
Get you up in the room and tripping up with the groom.

01:24:51.000 --> 01:24:52.000
I give it to you anyway you wanna have it.

01:24:52.000 --> 01:24:55.000
Baby this a horse and yes of course I'ma have to break the ho.

01:24:55.000 --> 01:24:56.000
Leaving the kids at home.

01:24:56.000 --> 01:24:57.000
I wanna bone alone.

01:24:57.000 --> 01:24:58.000
We hopping up and down like jack rabbits.

01:24:58.000 --> 01:25:01.000
So many kids put this on they daddy's mind.

01:25:01.000 --> 01:25:03.000
Never will I ever put them out there like that.

01:25:03.000 --> 01:25:04.000
Feeling that I did.

01:25:04.000 --> 01:25:05.000
Checking in a second right back.

01:25:05.000 --> 01:25:08.000
Telling them that they mommy's boyfriend's tech guy.

01:25:08.000 --> 01:25:10.000
We looking at me like you really wanna pike at all.

01:25:10.000 --> 01:25:11.000
Checking in the one I know is where the mic at.

01:25:11.000 --> 01:25:14.000
This is the town where the clowns put it down, baby.

01:25:14.000 --> 01:25:17.000
I'ma say stop or I'm gonna tell you papa.

01:25:17.000 --> 01:25:20.000
Close the door before your child hear the sound baby.

01:25:20.000 --> 01:25:23.000
I'ma say stop or I'm gonna tell you papa.

01:25:23.000 --> 01:25:24.000
Yo!

01:25:24.000 --> 01:25:26.000
151 Malibu rum and pineapple juice.

01:25:26.000 --> 01:25:28.000
For those that don't know that's caribou lube origin in the zoo.

01:25:28.000 --> 01:25:29.000
We having fun.

01:25:29.000 --> 01:25:30.000
Got some buns on some yak-a-bues.

01:25:30.000 --> 01:25:31.000
Road dogs on a weapon.

01:25:31.000 --> 01:25:32.000
Smoke a lot of regime.

01:25:32.000 --> 01:25:33.000
Outlaw juice clicking a zoo.

01:25:33.000 --> 01:25:34.000
Stagger.

01:25:34.000 --> 01:25:35.000
When you with the nuthouse we gon' have ya.

01:25:35.000 --> 01:25:36.000
Taking everything up in the book.

01:25:36.000 --> 01:25:37.000
From next to that book you looking to get chucked.

01:25:37.000 --> 01:25:38.000
Abracadabra.

01:25:38.000 --> 01:25:39.000
151 and coke is Viagra.

01:25:39.000 --> 01:25:40.000
Give it to me.

01:25:40.000 --> 01:25:41.000
Give it to me.

01:25:41.000 --> 01:25:42.000
Give it to me.

01:25:42.000 --> 01:25:43.000
Give it to me.

01:25:43.000 --> 01:25:44.000
Give it to me.

01:25:44.000 --> 01:25:45.000
Give it to me.

01:25:45.000 --> 01:25:46.000
I'm gonna tell you papa.

01:25:46.000 --> 01:25:47.000
I'm gonna tell you papa.

01:25:47.000 --> 01:25:48.000
I'm gonna tell you papa.

01:25:48.000 --> 01:25:49.000
Stagger.

01:25:49.000 --> 01:25:51.000
When you with the nuthouse we gon' have ya.

01:25:51.000 --> 01:25:52.000
Taking everything up in the book.

01:25:52.000 --> 01:25:54.000
From next to that book you looking to get chucked.

01:25:54.000 --> 01:25:55.000
Abracadabra.

01:25:55.000 --> 01:25:57.000
151 and coke is Viagra.

01:25:57.000 --> 01:25:58.000
Give it to me.

01:25:58.000 --> 01:25:59.000
Give it to me.

01:25:59.000 --> 01:26:00.000
Give it to me.

01:26:00.000 --> 01:26:01.000
Got her in love from having the best yuck.

01:26:01.000 --> 01:26:02.000
Look.

01:26:02.000 --> 01:26:03.000
I'm hella fed up.

01:26:03.000 --> 01:26:04.000
With all the silly rumors dawg.

01:26:04.000 --> 01:26:05.000
Saying that we got dropped from J-Code.

01:26:05.000 --> 01:26:06.000
That never ever would happen.

01:26:06.000 --> 01:26:07.000
I mean what do they know?

01:26:07.000 --> 01:26:08.000
We kept our head up.

01:26:08.000 --> 01:26:10.000
Now money's coming to us all.

01:26:10.000 --> 01:26:11.000
We're kicking it with strains.

01:26:11.000 --> 01:26:12.000
While I went in fame.

01:26:12.000 --> 01:26:13.000
Giving a game.

01:26:13.000 --> 01:26:14.000
Only when I say so.

01:26:14.000 --> 01:26:15.000
So crack some bug with me.

01:26:15.000 --> 01:26:16.000
Demons get some love with me.

01:26:16.000 --> 01:26:17.000
What you gotta do to get it.

01:26:17.000 --> 01:26:18.000
What you gotta get it.

01:26:18.000 --> 01:26:19.000
Gotta get it all.

01:26:19.000 --> 01:26:20.000
Check a nina from the raw.

01:26:20.000 --> 01:26:21.000
Get on some shrub with me.

01:26:21.000 --> 01:26:22.000
Two cases of bud with me.

01:26:22.000 --> 01:26:23.000
What you gonna do to get the women on crunk.

01:26:23.000 --> 01:26:24.000
I'mma hit em with the fuck.

01:26:24.000 --> 01:26:25.000
Got em all like shit.

01:26:25.000 --> 01:26:28.000
This is the town where the clowns put it down baby.

01:26:28.000 --> 01:26:29.000
Stop flashing all the world.

01:26:29.000 --> 01:26:31.000
My check in mind.

01:26:31.000 --> 01:26:34.000
Close the door before your child hear the sound baby.

01:26:34.000 --> 01:26:35.000
Stop flashing all the world.

01:26:35.000 --> 01:26:37.000
My check in mind.

01:26:37.000 --> 01:26:40.000
This is the town where the clowns put it down baby.

01:26:40.000 --> 01:26:41.000
Teasing your chakra.

01:26:41.000 --> 01:26:43.000
Ain't nobody hardcore.

01:26:43.000 --> 01:26:46.000
Close the door before your child hear the sound baby.

01:26:46.000 --> 01:26:48.000
I'mma say you stop or I'm gonna tell my mind.

01:26:48.000 --> 01:26:49.000
Yo.

01:26:49.000 --> 01:26:50.000
One.

01:26:50.000 --> 01:26:52.000
And then comes the two to the three and.

01:26:52.000 --> 01:26:53.000
That was the anthem.

01:26:53.000 --> 01:26:54.000
Now this the anthem.

01:26:54.000 --> 01:26:55.000
Hella rocking the planet again.

01:26:55.000 --> 01:26:56.000
You can't stand it again.

01:26:56.000 --> 01:26:57.000
Huns.

01:26:57.000 --> 01:26:59.000
They been coming through to see me man.

01:26:59.000 --> 01:27:00.000
Then I'm the pants.

01:27:00.000 --> 01:27:01.000
I'm in a bust at random.

01:27:01.000 --> 01:27:02.000
In a bit I'mma land them.

01:27:02.000 --> 01:27:03.000
Die point and I ram it again.

01:27:03.000 --> 01:27:04.000
Raves.

01:27:04.000 --> 01:27:05.000
Come by and get paid.

01:27:05.000 --> 01:27:06.000
Why do I wanna stick them with another hit.

01:27:06.000 --> 01:27:08.000
If out of a biz baby you don't wanna miss a hit.

01:27:08.000 --> 01:27:11.000
Babes they love to come by and get laid.

01:27:11.000 --> 01:27:12.000
Why I'm in the pinnacle when I rip it.

01:27:12.000 --> 01:27:13.000
I'mma kill them and there's to the haters.

01:27:13.000 --> 01:27:14.000
I gotta send them a gift.

01:27:14.000 --> 01:27:17.000
Mom this in your right or in the club.

01:27:17.000 --> 01:27:18.000
Giving everybody what they need.

01:27:18.000 --> 01:27:20.000
I give it all so they give it all back to me.

01:27:20.000 --> 01:27:23.000
Haters don't you hide just show some love.

01:27:23.000 --> 01:27:25.000
Do you dig it I'm a rep to be.

01:27:25.000 --> 01:27:27.000
And never ever let them see you get the best of me.

01:27:27.000 --> 01:27:30.000
So many kids put this on their daddy's mind.

01:27:30.000 --> 01:27:31.000
Never when I put them out there like that.

01:27:31.000 --> 01:27:33.000
Feel them that I did check and even take it right back.

01:27:33.000 --> 01:27:36.000
Telling him their mommy's boyfriend is check nine.

01:27:36.000 --> 01:27:39.000
Oh no girl your baby's at the door.

01:27:39.000 --> 01:27:42.000
This is the town when the clowns put it down baby.

01:27:46.000 --> 01:27:48.000
Close the door before your child hear the sound baby.

01:27:52.000 --> 01:27:54.000
This is the town when the clowns put it down baby.

01:27:54.000 --> 01:27:58.000
This one is for my homies and for all the DJ's.

01:28:06.000 --> 01:28:07.000
It's me.

01:28:10.000 --> 01:28:11.000
So will you fuffin' one rest su 하루 plus?

01:28:11.000 --> 01:28:31.380
This is the town where the clowns put it down, baby.

01:28:31.380 --> 01:28:34.140
Mama, say you stop or I'm gonna get a popper.

01:28:34.540 --> 01:28:37.500
Close the door before your child hears the sound, baby.

01:28:38.100 --> 01:28:39.500
Mama, open this door.