WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:09.280 This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers, you know what I'm saying? 00:09.360 --> 00:13.940 If you hear this, I want you to bump this and do your dirt, dawg, do your dirt. 00:13.980 --> 00:19.340 I see in binary, I speak source code, step on my toes, I'll post a million game pegs 00:19.340 --> 00:24.520 of you in a fag pose, in your digital stance, getting firewalled ho, cause I'm riding the 00:24.520 --> 00:25.700 net in my six-fold. 00:25.700 --> 00:31.480 I was a dick with my 56, now with my cable, I'm able to get that stable, on the out, my 00:31.480 --> 00:37.340 name is Ace and I'm a Leo, on the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm a hero, in a flash, 00:37.420 --> 00:42.400 I'll screw you on burning dream caps, you need some ISO, let me through my hard drive rifle, 00:42.740 --> 00:48.500 our exchange you could never stifle, in a digital hug, you just caught the love bug, I bootlegged 00:48.500 --> 00:54.300 your CD, I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z, cause CG, it's all gonna be free, whether we 00:54.300 --> 00:56.220 take it by force or we take it nicely. 00:56.620 --> 01:01.380 You feel that rattle in your bones, when I tell you we just hacked out Jones, and NASDAQ 01:01.380 --> 01:06.100 leave you flat on your back, cause I am he who loves to hack and crack, cause I am he 01:06.100 --> 01:07.520 who loves to hack and crack. 01:08.080 --> 01:14.460 This is dedicated to those who set me free, gotta buzz, you're always my cuz, radium, if I could 01:14.460 --> 01:21.260 only say to them, thanks, Kalisto, you know, Utopia, and all my digital dogs, my net dons, 01:21.320 --> 01:26.860 my cyber gangsters, my wire warriors, my computer comrades, this is for you, this is dedicated 01:26.860 --> 01:28.120 to the hackers and the crackers. 01:28.560 --> 01:33.260 I wouldn't be able to do shit without y'all man, I'd be sittin' in front of my fuckin' computer 01:33.260 --> 01:39.220 doin' a goddamn thing, playin' games, y'all made it possible, this is dedicated to you. 01:41.900 --> 01:47.140 Okay, this is Stank Dog, and in case you can't tell, you might notice that I'm actually 01:47.140 --> 01:51.760 standing in the middle of Hurricane Gene, we'll have to excuse the sound, it's a little 01:51.760 --> 01:53.840 rough and there's some wind swirling around me. 01:54.680 --> 01:59.140 Okay, actually I guess we're not really in a hurricane, actually, that was a simulated 01:59.140 --> 02:04.940 hurricane there, by my co-host this week, none other than Lucky Deuce Deuce Cinco. 02:05.660 --> 02:07.660 That's right, Lucky Double Deuce Five. 02:08.160 --> 02:10.280 And Double Deuce, Double D. 02:11.340 --> 02:11.980 That's right. 02:12.060 --> 02:13.560 Got to have the Double D's. 02:13.820 --> 02:16.120 I am not, I am not Double D. 02:16.840 --> 02:18.340 Yes you are, come on. 02:18.620 --> 02:23.920 That's Kevin Rose's little co-host, so please, I do not want to be confused with Double D. 02:24.360 --> 02:28.280 I have a sip of iced tea there now that I've, I just walked back inside from that hurricane. 02:29.140 --> 02:32.820 So, okay. 02:33.380 --> 02:38.800 Okay, anyway, joking aside, let's see, this is episode 64 of Binary Revolution Radio coming 02:38.800 --> 02:44.300 to you, Jet Up 9-28-2004. 02:46.360 --> 02:53.060 Lucky is going to stop blowing into the microphone any second now, and we are going to actually 02:53.060 --> 02:54.420 try to get on with the serious show here. 02:54.420 --> 03:00.760 Now, again, another freaking hurricane aimed right from my front door, so we're recording 03:00.760 --> 03:01.480 this late. 03:02.040 --> 03:05.300 Actually, we're recording this pretty much, by the time we're done, it will be the day 03:05.300 --> 03:09.560 of the show, so it doesn't get much more timely than this, or up to date. 03:09.560 --> 03:14.240 Um, and actually, I'm going to open up with a rant, if I may. 03:14.340 --> 03:18.940 Before, before, before you open up with this rant, I would like to interject. 03:19.180 --> 03:19.720 Go ahead. 03:19.720 --> 03:23.220 Um, you know, I find it real funny, I think. 03:23.720 --> 03:24.340 Oh, no. 03:25.220 --> 03:25.900 Go ahead. 03:26.140 --> 03:32.220 When, you know, a couple months ago, we were having a conversation about, like, why you 03:32.220 --> 03:36.320 lived in Florida, and I'm like, and you're like, well, I'm not going to live in Cali, 03:36.400 --> 03:37.780 because there's earthquakes out there. 03:37.800 --> 03:39.020 And I'm like, you know what? 03:39.080 --> 03:41.240 A hurricane is a lot worse than an earthquake. 03:41.720 --> 03:43.160 You know, oh, we rarely get them. 03:44.160 --> 03:46.100 Well, it's a busy year, what can I tell you? 03:48.020 --> 03:48.700 Hey, I've lived... 03:48.700 --> 03:49.600 No, we rarely get them. 03:49.640 --> 03:51.340 We've only had four this year. 03:51.680 --> 03:55.000 I've been down here seven years or so now. 03:55.560 --> 03:58.040 The longest I've ever lived in one place, actually, I think. 03:58.940 --> 04:03.660 And, um, these two that we've had this year are probably the two worst ones since I've been 04:03.660 --> 04:04.120 down here. 04:04.920 --> 04:08.560 At least as far as I'm concerned, because they directly came right at my, I mean, literally 04:08.560 --> 04:09.260 right at me. 04:10.160 --> 04:12.360 So, um, I haven't really had any problems. 04:12.360 --> 04:14.680 And frankly, they didn't really cause me too many problems. 04:14.820 --> 04:16.800 I mean, I was out without power for a few days. 04:17.480 --> 04:19.140 Um, this second one, I didn't lose power. 04:19.360 --> 04:22.720 My power fluctuated five or six times. 04:22.820 --> 04:26.000 It spiked a couple times, so I had to turn everything off just in case. 04:26.340 --> 04:27.620 I didn't want to blow anything up. 04:28.160 --> 04:34.060 But, um, other than that, my cable and internet stuff went out, um, for maybe 24 hours. 04:34.120 --> 04:36.060 It was back up the next morning, Sunday. 04:36.740 --> 04:38.560 So, um, it really wasn't so bad. 04:38.560 --> 04:44.420 I mean, a little bit of rain, yes, some people got damaged, but me personally, I really didn't, 04:44.840 --> 04:46.340 it was not such a big deal to me. 04:47.220 --> 04:51.560 Yeah, well, I understand that, but you, you lost days from work, didn't you? 04:52.120 --> 04:53.740 You say that like it's a bad thing. 04:55.180 --> 05:01.260 Well, I mean, yeah, your electricity, your, uh, cable internet, all that went out for only 05:01.260 --> 05:02.200 a couple of hours. 05:02.200 --> 05:05.620 But if you can't go to work to make money to pay those bills... 05:05.620 --> 05:06.660 I could pay it either way. 05:07.760 --> 05:09.820 I'll just say, oh, you're on salary, but... 05:09.820 --> 05:10.640 Well... 05:10.640 --> 05:10.960 I'm saying. 05:12.160 --> 05:14.320 I was going to say, you say that like it's a bad thing. 05:15.280 --> 05:16.040 Well... 05:16.040 --> 05:22.000 And actually, it's, it's, um, I, I did have to go in that following weekend to, to work 05:22.000 --> 05:25.400 and make up for some of the time that we lost, so, you know, it all works out. 05:25.460 --> 05:28.980 It's not such a, you know, that's the way it goes. 05:29.240 --> 05:30.120 Life in the big city. 05:30.120 --> 05:32.440 I guess that's the way it goes. 05:32.840 --> 05:37.000 Hey, at least I don't have gangbangers shooting it, crossfire between me, and mud slides, 05:37.200 --> 05:40.820 and earthquakes, and the whole state's going to fall off into the ocean. 05:42.240 --> 05:44.660 The state's not going to fall off into the ocean. 05:44.660 --> 05:45.000 Oh, come on. 05:45.000 --> 05:45.920 Pieces of it, maybe. 05:46.240 --> 05:46.560 Yeah. 05:46.720 --> 05:49.280 The whole state is not just going to float off into the ocean. 05:49.320 --> 05:51.380 The whole state's just going to sink underwater. 05:51.520 --> 05:54.640 It's just going to go sploosh, and then the next thing you know, it's going to be like 05:54.640 --> 05:56.400 Nevada is on the coast or something. 05:57.760 --> 05:58.520 Shut up. 06:00.920 --> 06:01.620 That's right. 06:01.740 --> 06:02.340 Oh, my God. 06:02.340 --> 06:03.420 Sick balls, Chopper. 06:03.500 --> 06:04.080 Sick balls. 06:05.540 --> 06:05.980 Anyway. 06:06.380 --> 06:06.820 Anyway. 06:07.780 --> 06:11.300 My little rant is on this hurricane thing. 06:11.300 --> 06:19.900 See, I heard this on the radio from two or three different companies, two that I can think 06:19.900 --> 06:26.700 of distinctly, and I don't know if I'm going to drop docs on them or not, but I heard these 06:26.700 --> 06:30.300 radio commercials, and I have seen a couple television commercials. 06:30.480 --> 06:35.980 Again, I don't watch a whole lot of TV, but these companies, like, well, one of them's 06:35.980 --> 06:37.740 a furniture store, okay? 06:38.100 --> 06:45.040 This furniture store comes on the radio with this commercial sounding all somber and all, 06:45.120 --> 06:48.800 you know, quiet and stuff about, we're all neighbors in Florida. 06:48.920 --> 06:50.420 The hurricane has ravaged us. 06:50.420 --> 06:54.500 That's why we're bringing in double our inventory so you can save, save, save. 06:55.440 --> 06:57.000 What the hell has that got to do? 06:57.540 --> 07:00.440 They make it like they're doing you some kind of big favor. 07:01.600 --> 07:05.600 Oh, these troubled times, or we're going to increase inventory and give you financing 07:05.600 --> 07:09.740 for two years on our, we're bringing in as much furniture as we can. 07:09.960 --> 07:10.520 I'm sorry. 07:10.520 --> 07:12.540 I don't really see where that's helping a whole lot. 07:12.600 --> 07:17.340 I think furniture is the last thing on someone's mind whose house has been destroyed or something 07:17.340 --> 07:17.920 like that. 07:18.580 --> 07:25.160 Second of all, they're selling furniture and financing it, the same deals they have whether 07:25.160 --> 07:26.500 there's a hurricane or not. 07:27.180 --> 07:32.780 So don't make it sound like you're doing somebody a big freaking favor because you're bringing 07:32.780 --> 07:33.460 in more furniture. 07:33.580 --> 07:34.540 You're trying to get sales. 07:34.640 --> 07:35.160 Let's be honest. 07:35.220 --> 07:36.260 Let's call it what it is. 07:37.800 --> 07:38.120 Yeah. 07:38.120 --> 07:43.300 You know, and a tire company, a tire store saying that they're having sales on all their 07:43.300 --> 07:44.740 tires to help the community. 07:45.740 --> 07:47.800 What the, are you on crack? 07:47.920 --> 07:49.080 Do you think we're dumb? 07:50.320 --> 07:53.000 Hey, those are all-terrain water-resistant tires. 07:53.300 --> 07:56.980 Oh, well, that's, you tell the people that are standing out in front of their house with 07:56.980 --> 08:00.820 their kids crying, with their mobile home in shambles or whatever, that you're going to 08:00.820 --> 08:02.020 have new tires for them. 08:02.580 --> 08:05.740 I'm sure that'll just cheer them right the heck up. 08:06.020 --> 08:07.340 I caught myself on that one. 08:07.340 --> 08:08.120 Write the heck up. 08:09.020 --> 08:09.260 Yeah. 08:09.260 --> 08:09.740 Are you serious? 08:10.160 --> 08:13.700 They're trying to capitalize, trying to sound like they're all sympathetic and, oh, we're 08:13.700 --> 08:18.140 all about the community and blah, blah, generating these sales and making more money under this 08:18.140 --> 08:22.340 false pretense that they're somehow helping the hurricane victims. 08:22.500 --> 08:23.860 Give me a break. 08:24.360 --> 08:24.980 Come on. 08:25.140 --> 08:29.880 If you sold, if they sold stuff at cost, no profit, like somehow we could confirm that, 08:29.900 --> 08:31.080 first of all, they'd lie about that. 08:31.080 --> 08:36.380 If they were selling it at no profit, absolutely, or donate money to victims of the hurricane 08:36.380 --> 08:38.580 or something like that, that would be different. 08:38.680 --> 08:39.300 That I could see. 08:39.360 --> 08:40.340 They're not doing that. 08:40.600 --> 08:41.840 They're having a sale. 08:42.180 --> 08:47.360 They do it every Sunday anyway, and the Sunday ads and stuff, they do it on special occasions 08:47.360 --> 08:48.100 and stuff like that. 08:48.100 --> 08:50.860 To them, a hurricane is nothing but a sales event. 08:52.780 --> 08:56.620 Well, I understand that, and unfortunately, that's how corporate America is. 08:56.740 --> 08:58.860 I mean, in case you weren't aware. 08:58.860 --> 09:02.000 Oh, I'm well aware, but it still makes me mad. 09:02.980 --> 09:09.500 Well, I understand that, but I mean, after September 11th, that was another capitalization 09:09.500 --> 09:10.000 there, too. 09:10.880 --> 09:17.180 Every store, you would see them, they'd hang a flag out, or they'd put a little American 09:17.180 --> 09:18.740 flag on the side of their door. 09:19.320 --> 09:19.800 You know what? 09:19.840 --> 09:24.760 That's just to drag you in, like, oh, well, this store's cool because, you know, they support 09:24.760 --> 09:26.580 America, so we should just shop from them. 09:26.580 --> 09:28.180 Well, I don't know. 09:28.260 --> 09:32.020 Some of that could stem from being pride or something like that, too. 09:32.140 --> 09:33.900 I mean, that one I could see a little bit. 09:34.300 --> 09:35.520 Well, you know what? 09:35.600 --> 09:40.900 Every time I went in the grocery store or something like that, they'd also have plastic flags, 09:41.060 --> 09:45.760 plastic American flags, right up at the, like, right when you're about to, you know, 09:45.840 --> 09:47.220 bring your shopping cart up. 09:47.260 --> 09:47.880 Right, well, that's absolutely... 09:47.880 --> 09:52.680 They have the impulse sales where they got candy and everything, and they'd also have 09:52.680 --> 09:53.640 an American flag. 09:53.700 --> 09:55.180 Well, now, that's absolutely true. 09:55.180 --> 10:00.300 Flag companies were just capitalizing on people's deaths, and that's how I feel about it. 10:00.300 --> 10:01.360 Yeah, that's absolutely true. 10:01.460 --> 10:06.160 I don't know about where you're at, but down here, right, soon thereafter, there were people 10:06.160 --> 10:10.480 out in the corners of the street and the intersections selling flags, literally, out of the back of 10:10.480 --> 10:12.960 their pickup trucks and stuff, on the street corners. 10:13.100 --> 10:17.460 Every time the light would turn red, they would walk down the middle holding up the flag 10:17.460 --> 10:20.920 and a sign that says 10 bucks, 20 bucks, whatever, you know? 10:20.920 --> 10:23.620 So, they were definitely capitalizing on that. 10:24.440 --> 10:25.460 Yeah, you know what? 10:25.540 --> 10:31.200 And I'm just, I'm sorry, but, I mean, I don't have anything against the flag or anything like 10:31.200 --> 10:31.420 that. 10:31.500 --> 10:33.280 I mean, I think it's cool to show your pride. 10:33.620 --> 10:34.020 Right. 10:34.020 --> 10:38.280 I just think that, I just think that they were just capitalizing on people's deaths. 10:38.680 --> 10:43.800 I'm sure some people, I'm sure some people were, a lot of people were, but at the same 10:43.800 --> 10:48.280 time, a lot of people did want to show their pride in some way, so I guess it gave them 10:48.280 --> 10:50.980 an outlet, so there's, it's kind of a give and take, I guess. 10:51.100 --> 10:53.920 But, yeah, I mean, your point is very well taken. 10:53.920 --> 10:57.520 And, yeah, the bottom line is it's all about the Benjamins. 10:58.120 --> 11:00.320 It's all about making that money. 11:01.520 --> 11:01.700 Yeah. 11:02.080 --> 11:05.460 Well, I mean, and this happened also during the Cold War and everything. 11:05.640 --> 11:10.740 They'd have a, you know, you couldn't shop at a store unless they had a certain symbol, 11:10.840 --> 11:12.000 like, in the window, you know? 11:13.580 --> 11:14.960 Otherwise, it might be communist. 11:17.140 --> 11:20.020 I don't know if I ever heard of that one or fell for that one. 11:20.220 --> 11:22.760 Well, go back and read your history. 11:22.760 --> 11:26.440 You'll, you'll see that they missed throughout history. 11:26.600 --> 11:27.260 I mean, sorry, man. 11:27.280 --> 11:28.240 I'm looking to the future. 11:28.400 --> 11:30.260 I don't, history is in the past. 11:30.320 --> 11:31.160 It's all behind me. 11:31.420 --> 11:33.720 I am keeping an eye to the future. 11:34.740 --> 11:37.680 Yeah, well, history repeats itself over and over. 11:37.680 --> 11:38.460 Yeah, right, whatever. 11:38.880 --> 11:42.620 And that, and that's, uh, that's how these capitalist bastards are making their money. 11:45.100 --> 11:48.160 Well, I guess from that we should move. 11:48.180 --> 11:50.520 Oh, no, I have a quick announcement before we move into the email. 11:50.520 --> 11:52.800 Actually, uh, kind of a little early. 11:52.920 --> 11:54.980 We'll remind you later on as it gets closer. 11:55.080 --> 11:58.520 But just a heads up that we will not be airing a show. 11:58.600 --> 12:02.440 This will probably be the first week that we actually miss an episode of Binary Revolution Radio. 12:02.860 --> 12:05.560 We will not air a show on election night. 12:05.560 --> 12:11.480 Which, according to some sources, is November 2nd, the first Tuesday of November. 12:11.620 --> 12:15.880 If I'm, I think, somebody please email me if I'm incorrect about that. 12:15.940 --> 12:19.480 But I believe that's going to be November 2nd, the first Tuesday of November. 12:19.480 --> 12:22.980 Um, Rant Radio is going to be streaming live during the election. 12:23.220 --> 12:30.020 And our show and Quarter Circle Forward, I believe, also, I think the two of us are going to be somewhat preempted, as they say. 12:30.700 --> 12:33.360 So, um, we will probably do a show that week. 12:33.700 --> 12:36.940 But it will be up on the down site, up on the site, downloadable only. 12:37.540 --> 12:42.220 Um, we might work something out to stream on Rant Radio like that Wednesday or something instead of Tuesday. 12:42.220 --> 12:43.280 So, it might be a day delay. 12:43.400 --> 12:44.620 We'll probably still do one. 12:45.020 --> 12:48.380 Because I do kind of like having that streak going where we haven't missed a show. 12:48.580 --> 12:50.980 So, we'll probably still do one. 12:51.180 --> 12:54.420 But the logistics have yet to be worked out. 12:54.500 --> 12:58.060 So, we will announce it officially when we figure that out. 12:58.880 --> 13:02.300 So, when you get preempted, are you going to have to email the program manager? 13:03.960 --> 13:06.080 Actually, he emailed me and requested. 13:07.060 --> 13:09.660 And, uh, said I didn't have to, but he would appreciate it. 13:09.660 --> 13:13.920 So, I thought I'd do the nice thing and say, yes, absolutely. 13:14.220 --> 13:15.480 I'll support the channel. 13:15.580 --> 13:17.140 And then they want to do live election coverage. 13:17.240 --> 13:18.600 I'm absolutely cool with that. 13:19.420 --> 13:20.260 And I am. 13:22.060 --> 13:24.520 So, that's all I have to say about that. 13:25.480 --> 13:25.840 Okay. 13:25.840 --> 13:28.880 Um, there are other things that I do not agree with. 13:29.220 --> 13:30.700 But that's a whole other story. 13:31.500 --> 13:37.040 So, as a matter of fact, I'm going to just go ahead and play our email theme music and segue into the email. 13:39.660 --> 13:59.940 And our first email tonight, actually our only email that we're going to read tonight, 14:00.080 --> 14:05.700 is from a long-time listener, a good friend of Binary Revolution Radio, Pixel Fiend. 14:05.700 --> 14:16.160 Who writes in, um, Stank, just wanted to drop a note of thanks to You and Not Theory for your excellent show a few weeks ago on PBXs and Asterisk. 14:16.160 --> 14:24.420 I have to admit that up until now, I have known exactly nothing about phones, but had been curious about what Asterisk was and how it worked. 14:25.600 --> 14:28.560 Uh, well, let me interrupt for a minute and say, I don't know anything about phones either. 14:28.920 --> 14:37.100 Everything that I know about phones, I learned from Dual Parallel, from the deuce deuce here, Lucky, and Doug, actually, and Decoder. 14:37.100 --> 14:42.460 So, everything I know has been learning from those guys, so you're not alone on that, first of all. 14:43.200 --> 14:44.340 Uh, now back to continue. 14:44.560 --> 14:51.860 I downloaded episode 60 and listened to it at work, listened to it again on the way home, and decided I had to give Asterisk a try. 14:52.220 --> 14:53.380 Another project, dammit. 14:53.380 --> 14:58.080 I had just by chance picked up three old P3 boxes that morning. 14:58.960 --> 15:08.320 I was listening to the show for a third time while I was installing Slack on one of the computer machines, and had the Asterisk source downloaded and installed by midnight. 15:09.180 --> 15:17.160 After working on a problematic sound card and playing with ALSA for a few days, I could say something there, but I'm not going to, ALSA. 15:17.160 --> 15:22.620 So, uh, I got everything up and running and began learning about configuration and setting up the PBX. 15:22.960 --> 15:26.460 I got a VoicePulse account and have been playing with it for about a week. 15:27.060 --> 15:28.100 Now, here's the coolest thing. 15:28.220 --> 15:35.820 Total cost for everything involved was $28, including the VoicePulse connection. 15:37.520 --> 15:38.000 Nice. 15:38.160 --> 15:40.500 That is, that is leet. 15:40.980 --> 15:44.880 How amazing is that to hear a PBX set up for $28? 15:44.880 --> 15:47.540 Uh, and we'll come back to that, as a matter of fact. 15:47.820 --> 15:56.640 Um, one note of caution, and this is, this is also, Pixel Fiend's always really good about giving us something really useful in warnings and heads up about stuff. 15:57.020 --> 15:59.400 Uh, one note of caution for anyone setting this up. 16:00.280 --> 16:06.540 Emails from VoicePulse with directions for connecting asterisks to their service are not quite accurate. 16:06.540 --> 16:24.860 There were subtle changes made for customers connecting after September 1st relating to my underscore device underscore login that are outlined in the sample iax.conf file and extension.conf file, which are available for download from VoicePulse. 16:25.500 --> 16:30.580 Emails sent from VoicePulse have you set up the service the old way, which may cause problems. 16:30.580 --> 16:35.360 If you download the sample comp files and work from them, everything works well. 16:36.280 --> 16:41.380 I still haven't decided what exactly I'll finally do with this project, but it's been a hell of a lot of fun so far. 16:41.460 --> 16:46.360 I have to say that I'm blown away by what you can do with asterisk, and I am too. 16:46.800 --> 16:50.860 I'm learning more every day and have only scratched the surface of the dial plan configuration. 16:51.380 --> 16:54.860 The more I learn, the more elaborate my plans for the dial plan seem to get. 16:54.860 --> 17:00.460 Even my four-year-old was having fun with it, dialing through the menus and listening to the funny messages I'd set up for him. 17:00.820 --> 17:05.840 I'd love to hear a follow-up show for some of the higher-end functionality and scripting possibilities. 17:06.280 --> 17:07.300 Hint, hint. 17:09.440 --> 17:12.880 Now, first of all, $28, dude! 17:13.440 --> 17:16.700 And, okay, now, and this is the thing I want people to realize. 17:17.520 --> 17:19.000 Not Theory and I talked about this. 17:19.080 --> 17:22.460 Not Theory went through details of exactly step-by-step. 17:22.460 --> 17:26.220 And, yeah, we even said you might have to listen to it a couple times and follow along and listen. 17:27.020 --> 17:29.240 But it was true. 17:29.500 --> 17:34.180 I know people think that we come on the show and we're just, you know, I know hackers have this whole thing about, 17:34.440 --> 17:38.960 oh, they're a die-hard Linux and they're all going to defend everything for open source and everything. 17:39.340 --> 17:39.900 You know what? 17:40.420 --> 17:41.880 We do it because it's true. 17:42.460 --> 17:48.820 And here we have a listener who applied what we talked about and can verify that what we said is true. 17:48.820 --> 17:55.880 This person, Pixel Fiend, did exactly what we suggested and got this box up and running. 17:56.360 --> 18:00.380 And someone who admittedly did not have a lot of experience about phones and the phone system, 18:00.900 --> 18:07.920 from that show, got a box up and running, installed and working, with the connection for $28. 18:10.600 --> 18:13.440 You have to give some credit for that. 18:14.880 --> 18:15.300 Yep. 18:15.300 --> 18:18.580 So, mad shouts out to Pixel Fiend for that. 18:19.920 --> 18:20.720 Definitely, man. 18:20.880 --> 18:21.280 Definitely. 18:22.520 --> 18:28.120 And, yeah, that's what we hope to do, not only with that show, but in all of our shows. 18:28.200 --> 18:35.000 Every show that we do, for the most part, we try to structure it in such a way that people can follow along step-by-step. 18:35.060 --> 18:39.380 If it's something that we're talking about, sometimes it's not a how-to like that. 18:39.380 --> 18:45.700 But every topic, we try to go from the very fundamental basics and work our way up through a topic, 18:45.900 --> 18:48.900 or if we are doing a how-to or a demonstration or something like that, 18:48.920 --> 18:53.860 we try to follow and lead you along so that you can listen at home and try things. 18:54.280 --> 18:57.920 You know, that's kind of the way I try to always structure it, at least whenever we can. 18:57.980 --> 19:01.200 No matter what the topic is, I try to keep that flow to it. 19:01.200 --> 19:07.780 But I guess sometimes you swing and you knock it out of the park, and sometimes you drive one foul into the fan. 19:07.920 --> 19:08.820 What can I tell you? 19:09.900 --> 19:15.240 Sometimes you hit a little kid in the front row with a 120-mile-an-hour fastball fouled off. 19:16.760 --> 19:19.300 Anyway, boy, that was a gruesome image. 19:20.740 --> 19:23.160 That was not a very pleasant image. 19:23.160 --> 19:26.840 No, it sure wasn't. 19:27.620 --> 19:29.980 It's a technology show, not a baseball show. 19:30.060 --> 19:33.580 I know, but I came up with a weird metaphor, and I don't know. 19:33.620 --> 19:34.160 What can I tell you? 19:35.180 --> 19:36.500 Sometimes you hit the ball out of the... 19:36.500 --> 19:37.060 No, never mind. 19:38.400 --> 19:44.600 And actually, I did speak to Not Theory about doing a follow-up episode sometime in the future, 19:44.600 --> 19:47.300 so we will work on trying to put that together. 19:48.160 --> 19:52.720 Again, when we're talking this much detail and the how-to stuff like that, 19:53.160 --> 19:56.940 really a lot of work goes into putting a show together like that to keep the flow going 19:56.940 --> 20:01.600 and keep the show filled and not too dry and boring at the same time. 20:01.680 --> 20:02.560 So those are tough. 20:02.900 --> 20:07.700 So sometime in the near future, next month or two, but not right away. 20:07.940 --> 20:10.980 But we have talked about it, and we are planning to do exactly that. 20:12.020 --> 20:17.120 So hopefully by then you'll be able to send us some good information too there, Pixelphine. 20:17.120 --> 20:19.000 You may be well into it by then. 20:19.000 --> 20:24.380 Now, that's all for the email here. 20:24.580 --> 20:25.940 I'm kind of a little under the weather. 20:26.040 --> 20:29.640 I don't know if my voice is sounding like it, but I'm not feeling too well actually. 20:30.660 --> 20:32.260 So I got my nice iced tea here. 20:32.400 --> 20:34.700 So why don't we go into the show and tell, 20:34.980 --> 20:39.280 and I'm going to kick it over to Lucky to start off with personal hacking stories, 20:39.340 --> 20:40.600 what you've been working on lately. 20:40.740 --> 20:43.980 I know you've been published again. 20:43.980 --> 20:48.780 Why don't you talk about that while I have a nice sip of soothing, sweet iced tea. 20:50.520 --> 20:57.200 And I love how you always just put the spotlight right on me with no commentary because you're drinking right now. 20:57.400 --> 20:57.600 What? 20:57.840 --> 21:00.760 I just, what, what, is that a bad thing? 21:00.800 --> 21:02.100 You should have the spotlight on you. 21:02.260 --> 21:04.240 You should be proud to have something published, man. 21:04.300 --> 21:05.320 That's awesome. 21:05.460 --> 21:06.220 That's very cool. 21:07.920 --> 21:09.040 Is that a bad thing? 21:09.080 --> 21:12.200 Yeah, but yes, I have been published. 21:12.480 --> 21:12.980 Media whore. 21:12.980 --> 21:20.300 No, do you know what, joke, you know what, I'm going to stand up right here and defend you, right here on the show. 21:20.740 --> 21:23.240 We say that, I say that to you as a joke, of course you know that. 21:23.720 --> 21:28.440 Other people that say that, I assume we're probably joking too, but you know what, don't hate. 21:29.260 --> 21:33.520 Seriously, don't hate on somebody because they get published or because they get some stuff out there. 21:34.200 --> 21:37.860 You know what, that's, that's petty, that's all that is. 21:38.200 --> 21:42.420 That's just somebody hating because they haven't been published or they haven't gotten accomplished anything. 21:42.420 --> 21:43.780 Stuff like that. 21:43.860 --> 21:51.760 So, I say, I give you a round of applause for getting this published in a very serious magazine, a serious article. 21:52.300 --> 21:53.980 You know, not just a, you know. 21:53.980 --> 22:05.320 This magazine that we're referring to is geared toward business and corporate executives and CEOs and CFOs and people like that. 22:05.320 --> 22:12.940 And, uh, it's a magazine called Vaughn Magazine, which, uh, Vaughn is V-O-N, stands for Voice Over Net. 22:13.640 --> 22:18.040 Uh, I don't believe they have any relationship to Vaughnage. 22:18.280 --> 22:18.720 Are you sure? 22:18.820 --> 22:21.140 Uh, it's, uh, yeah, I'm pretty sure. 22:21.260 --> 22:22.400 Because it sounds like Vaughnage. 22:22.400 --> 22:28.260 I know, everyone thinks Vaughn Magazine has to do with Vaughnage, but, uh... 22:28.260 --> 22:29.700 It's the first three letters of Vaughnage. 22:29.760 --> 22:31.060 I mean, it has to be about Vaughnage. 22:31.780 --> 22:33.880 It's probably made by the same people as Vaughnage. 22:34.580 --> 22:37.160 No, it's, uh, it's created by Pulver, actually. 22:37.420 --> 22:41.000 Uh, you know, the guy, the guy who, uh, who, uh, does Free World Dial-Up. 22:41.280 --> 22:41.800 Uh-huh. 22:43.280 --> 22:46.500 Yes, uh, that, that's who, uh, that's who publishes this magazine. 22:46.860 --> 22:48.320 That's the same guy that makes Vaughnage? 22:48.320 --> 22:51.880 No, he's not the same guy that makes Vaughnage. 22:52.600 --> 22:54.320 Go ahead, I'm just messing with you, go ahead. 22:54.620 --> 22:55.540 Jesus Christ. 22:56.480 --> 22:56.920 Anyways. 22:58.100 --> 23:03.240 But yeah, this magazine's published by Pulver, and, um, I don't know, it's a pretty good magazine. 23:03.440 --> 23:09.540 It talks about Voice Over IP, and where it's going, and the future of it, and, you know, stuff like that. 23:09.620 --> 23:12.240 Stuff that business-y people would read, I guess. 23:12.940 --> 23:13.660 Business-y? 23:15.040 --> 23:15.480 Yeah. 23:15.700 --> 23:16.420 Business-y? 23:16.420 --> 23:18.100 Did you just make up a word? 23:19.320 --> 23:20.620 Business-y people. 23:22.180 --> 23:25.640 All right, ladies and gentlemen, business-y people read this magazine. 23:25.840 --> 23:26.900 You heard it here first. 23:27.640 --> 23:28.480 That's right. 23:28.800 --> 23:30.960 Business-y people freaking the Kizofi. 23:32.020 --> 23:33.500 Kizofi, oh, jeez. 23:34.600 --> 23:37.180 And what was your article, uh, what was your article about? 23:38.680 --> 23:42.240 Well, my article was on Voice Over IP, uh, security. 23:42.240 --> 23:52.280 Basically, just, uh, I just touched on the basics that, uh, that I touched on at DEF CON, you know, caller ID spoofing, revealing blocked caller ID. 23:52.280 --> 24:02.440 Uh, you know, just, uh, you know, just basically things of that nature, and how Voice Over IP is not the culprit in a, in the, in the security flaws. 24:02.440 --> 24:08.060 It's usually the Voice Over IP providers that give the end users too much power, basically. 24:08.620 --> 24:17.140 You know, the power to reveal unblocked, or, you know, to unblock caller, uh, blocked caller ID numbers, and the power to just make your phone number whatever you want. 24:17.140 --> 24:23.740 Uh, that's all, uh, that's all, uh, that's all, uh, the provider is allowing the, the end user to do this, and, uh. 24:24.000 --> 24:25.780 I'm not your typical end user, though. 24:27.300 --> 24:29.640 Yes, regular consumers like you and me. 24:30.620 --> 24:30.900 Hmm. 24:32.120 --> 24:33.620 I mean, Voice? 24:33.620 --> 24:35.620 We're, we're not exactly regular consumers. 24:35.780 --> 24:37.000 I mean, let's be honest here. 24:37.460 --> 24:44.240 Well, no, no, I'm saying Voice Pulse, for example, I mean, they allow you to spoof caller ID through their call screening options. 24:44.240 --> 24:47.520 You don't even need, you don't even need hardware, equipment, or anything. 24:47.620 --> 24:48.920 You do it all through their website. 24:50.120 --> 24:54.760 With a little call forwarding, uh, feature, and you can, uh, spoof your caller ID, it's whatever you want. 24:56.180 --> 25:01.700 And, um, actually, I was going to bring this up, uh, later, but I guess I'll bring it up now. 25:01.780 --> 25:05.500 I was going to talk about this service called IP Call that I heard about recently. 25:06.140 --> 25:09.240 And that's I-P-K-A-L-L. 25:09.720 --> 25:10.680 Call with a K. 25:11.240 --> 25:12.400 Okay, what is that? 25:12.400 --> 25:23.680 Uh, this service allows you to obtain a Seattle, Washington phone number that forwards to your Free World dial-up number. 25:24.900 --> 25:33.360 And, uh, as, uh, as you guys may know, you can use Free World dial-up with the Supera device that, uh, you know, Voice Pulse offers the Supera. 25:33.360 --> 25:35.860 And you can just put Free World dial-up on your second line. 25:35.860 --> 25:44.340 And, uh, basically, anyone who calls the Seattle, Washington number will get forwarded over to your Free World dial-up number. 25:44.780 --> 25:49.760 And whether or not your caller ID is blocked, it'll still show up on the caller ID. 25:50.280 --> 25:53.220 So you can give out the Seattle, Washington number to all your friends. 25:53.640 --> 25:57.040 And whether or not they're blocking caller ID, you'll always see who's calling. 25:57.040 --> 26:01.220 And this is, uh, and this is a free service. 26:01.580 --> 26:03.900 And Free World dial-up is also free, too. 26:04.000 --> 26:05.860 So you don't even have to pay money for this. 26:08.320 --> 26:10.620 That's, um, kind of scary. 26:11.420 --> 26:12.800 Yeah, it's very scary. 26:13.640 --> 26:15.940 I, uh, I just found out about it recently. 26:16.160 --> 26:20.100 Uh, I talked to someone on, uh, on one of the party lines out there. 26:20.100 --> 26:24.940 And they were telling me about this service called IP Call that gives you a phone number in Seattle, Washington. 26:25.180 --> 26:31.040 I just wanted it because I thought it was cool that you could get an actual phone number that redirects to your Free World dial-up extension. 26:31.520 --> 26:36.600 And then I noticed, because we have complete call, we have complete caller ID blocking on our line. 26:36.800 --> 26:43.440 I noticed that when I called up, uh, when I called up the phone number, it still showed my phone number on the caller ID on the incoming call. 26:44.000 --> 26:45.020 I was like, whoa. 26:45.720 --> 26:45.980 Leap. 26:45.980 --> 26:53.440 Um, so do you want to give credit who's somebody who told you that information, or is it on the down low? 26:54.360 --> 26:58.760 Oh, I don't know if they would like their information released or if they're the person who found it. 26:58.820 --> 27:01.560 I just, it was just, the service was mentioned to me. 27:01.620 --> 27:02.360 It's a free service. 27:02.460 --> 27:03.420 It's public information. 27:03.640 --> 27:09.220 So I'll just leave that person, uh, I'll, I'll, uh, I'll grant their privacy at this time. 27:10.000 --> 27:10.600 All right. 27:10.660 --> 27:11.660 Sounds like a plan. 27:12.920 --> 27:15.640 Um, but yeah, man. 27:15.640 --> 27:20.960 And so, I mean, and, and, and, I mean, again, voice over IP is not the culprit here. 27:21.340 --> 27:25.280 It's the service providers that are giving too much power to their end users. 27:25.400 --> 27:27.340 Well, is there such a thing as too much power? 27:27.480 --> 27:30.700 Shouldn't the end user have power and control over the service that they're getting? 27:32.500 --> 27:34.100 Well, I, I suppose. 27:34.200 --> 27:41.320 But I'm just saying, like, like I mentioned in my article, uh, in Vaughn Magazine. 27:41.320 --> 27:53.200 I mean, in 1995, the ACLU, uh, you know, protested against caller ID, you know, because, you know, people shouldn't have their phone number available just because they're placing a phone call. 27:53.480 --> 27:56.540 They should be able to block their number, and that's why they protested it. 27:56.540 --> 28:01.020 And so, after the ACLU protested, the phone companies finally gave in. 28:01.500 --> 28:09.000 The FCC made a mandate that, uh, the phone companies have to offer a service so that you can block your number when, when placing phone calls. 28:09.180 --> 28:09.840 For a fee? 28:09.840 --> 28:12.140 No, for free. 28:12.880 --> 28:14.120 It has, it's regulated. 28:14.280 --> 28:15.240 It has to be for free. 28:15.800 --> 28:18.740 Star 6-7 and complete call block are both free services. 28:19.780 --> 28:33.460 Um, and the thing about it is, is that they said, okay, but for toll-free numbers, you're still, you should, uh, the toll-free numbers should still be able to receive your phone number because they get billed for it. 28:33.460 --> 28:37.380 You know, based on where you're, based on where the call was placed from. 28:38.160 --> 28:40.160 So, the FCC let that slide. 28:40.620 --> 28:44.920 But now, you're calling up regular toll numbers, like this toll number in Seattle. 28:45.180 --> 28:45.540 Right. 28:45.600 --> 28:52.060 It'll ring my free, it'll ring my free world dial-up number, and I'll see your caller ID, whether or not you're blocking it. 28:52.500 --> 28:59.160 And that's sort of, 10 years ago, you know, almost 10 years ago, the ACLU was protesting caller ID for the same reason. 28:59.160 --> 29:03.500 Now, do we know how this happens, or what causes it to work? 29:05.220 --> 29:10.100 Uh, basically, your CPN is transmitted on every single call, whether or not it's blocked. 29:10.240 --> 29:17.400 There's just a little, there's a little tag in the, in the call setup that says, uh, whether or not to reveal the number to the end user. 29:17.980 --> 29:26.260 But services, but VoIP services, such as this IT call, because they use VoIP, it's not, it's not regulated by the FCC. 29:26.460 --> 29:28.280 There's no regulation in VoIP right now. 29:28.280 --> 29:30.740 So, they, they don't have to submit to those rules. 29:31.160 --> 29:34.860 And they can just reveal the CPN right to the end user. 29:35.000 --> 29:38.240 I'm surprised there aren't a lot more of these, is what I'm saying, though. 29:39.520 --> 29:40.260 Well, there are. 29:40.340 --> 29:48.240 I mean, the K7, they got those K7 voicemail boxes, where even if you block your caller ID to the voicemail, it'll still stay in there, you know? 29:49.420 --> 29:49.620 Hmm. 29:50.360 --> 30:00.360 There's all kinds of stuff that's going on, especially, um, uh, IAX providers, uh, you know, some of the IAX providers out there will reveal CPN to the end user. 30:01.360 --> 30:03.700 And you can just pull it up in your asterisk logs. 30:03.700 --> 30:05.720 Well, all the more reason to spoof. 30:07.520 --> 30:08.380 Yeah, right? 30:08.660 --> 30:09.940 All the more reason to spoof. 30:10.160 --> 30:15.760 Well, and my whole point is, why did we even bother with this caller ID technology? 30:16.080 --> 30:26.060 If we're going to be able to spoof it, and we're going to be able to unblock or, you know, unveil private numbers, like, it shouldn't even exist. 30:26.060 --> 30:31.120 It should just be, your phone rings, you answer it, you don't like the person, you hang up. 30:31.480 --> 30:34.860 That's how it's been for, that's how it's been for over a hundred years. 30:35.380 --> 30:40.820 Then somebody said, oh, we should use this for, uh, we should use this great caller ID technology for call screening. 30:41.360 --> 30:42.200 Well, guess what? 30:42.280 --> 30:43.420 Call screening doesn't work. 30:43.480 --> 30:44.160 It never has. 30:44.280 --> 30:44.960 It never will. 30:46.400 --> 30:48.300 Yeah, let's see, what if they implemented this tomorrow? 30:49.420 --> 30:51.420 What are the freaks of the world going to do? 30:52.380 --> 30:53.060 What are they talking about? 30:53.060 --> 30:59.600 We spend so much time figuring these type of things out and researching which ones do this and do that. 31:00.320 --> 31:05.680 And if we just take all those features away, what's left? 31:07.660 --> 31:09.660 Basic phone, that's all you need anyways. 31:10.680 --> 31:10.980 Hmm. 31:12.280 --> 31:18.560 Well, I don't know, it sounds kind of boring to me, but hey, I guess that's, um, an interesting... 31:18.560 --> 31:22.020 You don't have, look, Stink, you don't have caller ID on your landline. 31:22.740 --> 31:24.820 I don't have anything on my landline. 31:25.940 --> 31:29.080 Your phone rings, you pick it up, just like a normal person, right? 31:29.260 --> 31:31.780 Well, I don't know how normal I am, but yeah, I pick it up. 31:31.860 --> 31:34.040 Well, sometimes I'll screen the calls on the answering machine. 31:35.380 --> 31:36.200 Well, there you go. 31:36.400 --> 31:40.640 But yeah, I'll pick it up, I'll say, uh, fuck off, leave me alone if I don't want to talk to you. 31:40.640 --> 31:44.720 Or I'll record the telemarketing calls and put them on the telephonic craptacular. 31:45.440 --> 31:49.060 Or, or I'll answer it and talk to whoever it is. 31:50.320 --> 31:51.440 Yeah, I mean, there you go. 31:51.500 --> 31:57.340 If you want to, if, if you really are having suspicions and you want to screen your calls, use an answer machine, you know? 31:58.240 --> 31:58.560 Right. 31:58.560 --> 32:01.700 I mean, that's the only way, that's the only way you can do it. 32:02.900 --> 32:03.260 Yep. 32:03.660 --> 32:05.480 Sometimes I just ignore it completely, though. 32:06.260 --> 32:08.740 I just unplug the answer machine, I just let the phone ring. 32:10.080 --> 32:14.320 I locked somebody's phone up for about a day and a half yesterday, but that's, yeah, that's not a story for the air. 32:15.420 --> 32:16.100 Oh, God. 32:16.100 --> 32:18.060 You know what I'm talking about, too. 32:18.940 --> 32:19.080 Yeah. 32:19.620 --> 32:29.620 Um, all right, um, I've got a couple things I've been working on the past week, even though, actually, the hurricane gave me to, since I turned my systems off because of the hurricane and stuff, I, um. 32:30.180 --> 32:33.200 Well, uh, you didn't let me go into the, into the rest of my show and tell, though. 32:33.200 --> 32:34.820 Oh, well, go ahead, please, by all means. 32:37.100 --> 32:38.700 Man, you got a lot of show and tell. 32:39.520 --> 32:40.180 That's right. 32:41.080 --> 32:44.500 But I'm also a moderator now on the Lab Mistress Forum. 32:44.500 --> 32:52.840 I got a little forum on there called Telephonic Tappings because people were talking about VoIP and, uh, cell phones and stuff like that. 32:53.160 --> 32:57.040 They didn't know exactly which topic they should put it in, so. 32:58.060 --> 33:03.600 Darcy made me the moderator of the telephony, uh, topic, and, uh, yeah, go check it out. 33:04.040 --> 33:06.660 I only have two rules on that, on that part of the forum. 33:06.920 --> 33:07.100 What? 33:07.280 --> 33:08.180 I have, I have a... 33:08.180 --> 33:08.940 Wait a minute now. 33:09.020 --> 33:10.840 How can, you put rules on your forum? 33:10.840 --> 33:16.900 Tom, didn't you yell at me and tell me that I was stifling free speech because I had rules on my site? 33:17.920 --> 33:19.020 A long time ago. 33:19.080 --> 33:21.620 Did we not get into this and you said what a... 33:21.620 --> 33:25.680 You, you and Tron, I'm a big fascist because I have rules on the site. 33:26.680 --> 33:28.460 Well, actually, you know what? 33:28.620 --> 33:33.540 I didn't want to make any rules, but Darcy actually forced me to make rules. 33:33.860 --> 33:35.280 And do you know why? 33:35.280 --> 33:40.480 Because she cannot deal with the liability issues. 33:40.680 --> 33:41.500 There you go. 33:41.900 --> 33:42.920 There you go. 33:43.300 --> 33:44.420 So what are your two rules? 33:45.940 --> 33:50.280 I think rule number one was, like, follow the general rule of the forum. 33:51.960 --> 33:53.420 That's kind of a vague rule. 33:54.180 --> 34:02.900 And rule number two was basically, do not, at any means or cost, discuss telecom fraud or specifically how to do it. 34:02.900 --> 34:06.420 Ah, well, that's a good general rule of thumb anyway. 34:07.460 --> 34:09.160 Yeah, I had a rule number three. 34:11.520 --> 34:13.200 Don't mess with the dog pound. 34:13.800 --> 34:22.440 It involved somebody who uses the word kloobie a lot, but Darcy wouldn't let me put that rule. 34:23.700 --> 34:24.980 Okay, gotcha. 34:25.740 --> 34:26.380 Enough said. 34:26.460 --> 34:27.480 A little inside joke, then. 34:28.400 --> 34:31.340 Well, not exactly as inside as you might think. 34:31.340 --> 34:33.860 All right. 34:34.100 --> 34:35.440 Is that all of your media horror? 34:35.480 --> 34:40.800 I mean, is that all of your hacking stories, or did you have something else? 34:41.960 --> 34:42.980 I believe so. 34:43.600 --> 34:45.860 You believe that's the end, or you believe you have something else? 34:46.740 --> 34:48.860 I believe that's it. 34:49.060 --> 34:50.440 I think that's all I've got for right now. 34:50.680 --> 34:51.060 All right. 34:51.140 --> 34:53.720 Well, I have a couple little things. 34:53.720 --> 35:04.220 Um, I, because I had to turn my computers off again with the hurricane and the power fluctuating, I got a little time to get some hardware work done. 35:04.220 --> 35:10.000 And, uh, I was redoing a couple boxes here in the, in the hack center here, here in the lab. 35:10.480 --> 35:12.060 The hack cave, whatever you want to call it. 35:12.320 --> 35:14.640 The lab, the laboratory, huh? 35:14.780 --> 35:15.600 Like lab mystery? 35:16.040 --> 35:17.280 Dude, I got a Dell. 35:17.280 --> 35:19.880 Well, I bought a refurbished Dell. 35:20.040 --> 35:21.260 I bought a refurbished Dell. 35:21.380 --> 35:23.660 I needed a new box to do video editing for Hack TV. 35:23.800 --> 35:28.400 My old box just kept choking, kept dying any time I tried to edit big files. 35:28.760 --> 35:33.560 And these files in raw DV format are, like, enormous. 35:33.560 --> 35:40.920 I mean, uh, uh, an hour, I think, was, like, 15 gigs or somewhere thereabouts, 12 to 15 gigs, I think. 35:41.880 --> 35:42.180 Mm-hmm. 35:42.200 --> 35:47.340 So, um, they get really large, and when you try to edit them, it needs a lot of memory and a lot of CPU power. 35:47.600 --> 35:51.180 And the box I was running, I thought should have been able to handle it. 35:51.180 --> 35:55.500 It was an XP2000, an Athlon XP2000 with 512 of RAM. 35:55.580 --> 35:59.340 It should have been able to handle it, I would think, but it could not. 35:59.340 --> 36:04.600 So, I also had another project I wanted to do, and that was to put together a file server. 36:05.380 --> 36:10.360 Um, I want to put a box together with a bunch of hard drives in it, and I mentioned I bought a terabyte of storage. 36:10.480 --> 36:15.140 I bought another terabyte of storage since then, putting them all into one box. 36:15.240 --> 36:22.900 Going to set up a RAID 5 array and have one central location where all my files are stored and have everything map and connect to that server. 36:22.900 --> 36:29.000 So, I took the old Athlon 2000 box, and I'm going to make that into the file sharing box. 36:29.860 --> 36:37.640 And the Dell that I just got, which is a P4 3 gigahertz, um, is now going to become, eventually, my video editing machine. 36:37.860 --> 36:41.920 So, get Hack TV footage going and flowing again soon. 36:43.100 --> 36:45.420 So, that's kind of what I've been working on. 36:45.940 --> 36:46.860 Um, again, the... 36:46.860 --> 36:49.000 Uh, are we going to film anything, by the way, Sink? 36:49.180 --> 36:49.920 Out of Freaknik? 36:49.920 --> 36:52.600 I'm, I'm sure we're going to do something. 36:52.780 --> 36:54.840 You, you said we're going to do a little field-freaking, right? 36:56.000 --> 36:57.440 Yeah, possibly, possibly. 36:57.580 --> 37:01.580 Do a little field-freaking, and I'm sure we'll come up with some other stuff between now and then. 37:01.640 --> 37:04.160 I'm sure we'll come up with some good impromptu stuff as well. 37:05.140 --> 37:05.460 Yeah. 37:05.840 --> 37:08.320 So, plus it depends on who we run into. 37:08.420 --> 37:10.000 We might have to get some other people involved. 37:10.100 --> 37:14.460 I know there are a couple people we're specifically, uh, going to bump into up there. 37:14.460 --> 37:16.540 So, we'll see how it all works out. 37:16.560 --> 37:17.700 I'm sure we'll get some stuff done. 37:18.400 --> 37:19.780 Because you are confirmed, right? 37:19.780 --> 37:20.340 We're going. 37:21.360 --> 37:21.780 Oh, yeah. 37:21.840 --> 37:27.340 Even though you've made the most asinine plans for the weekend. 37:28.160 --> 37:29.100 Travel plans. 37:30.660 --> 37:31.060 Yeah. 37:31.260 --> 37:31.660 Anyway. 37:31.920 --> 37:32.640 I do what I do. 37:33.060 --> 37:33.680 That's right. 37:33.980 --> 37:34.600 That's right. 37:34.660 --> 37:37.120 You always have, and you always will. 37:38.080 --> 37:38.740 That's right. 37:38.840 --> 37:39.840 So, yeah, that's it. 37:39.840 --> 37:41.620 I can do what I want. 37:41.860 --> 37:42.780 I do what I want. 37:42.780 --> 37:47.060 Hack TV is moving slowly. 37:47.560 --> 37:48.560 So, yeah. 37:48.760 --> 37:49.400 Oh, and you know what? 37:49.460 --> 37:53.200 On this new box, I figured what the hell I would go ahead. 37:53.300 --> 37:56.060 This is, of course, a Windows box that I do my video editing in. 37:56.100 --> 38:00.500 I say, of course, because that's the only way I know how to do video editing. 38:00.500 --> 38:08.040 And most people I've talked to, no one's ever spoken about doing video editing on anything other than Windows or Mac, which I definitely can't afford that. 38:08.820 --> 38:13.360 So, this box I went ahead and installed Service Pack 2 on. 38:14.000 --> 38:16.340 So, I did not install that on my work machine. 38:16.440 --> 38:19.120 I didn't install that on my other Windows box here at home. 38:19.720 --> 38:26.120 So, I had my first time using Windows XP Service Pack 2. 38:27.180 --> 38:30.660 And it wasn't quite as bad as I had thought. 38:31.340 --> 38:34.460 The other reason I was willing to do it was because it was a fresh install. 38:34.460 --> 38:36.660 It was a fresh Dell box with everything new. 38:36.800 --> 38:40.360 No extra software installed yet, other than the crap that it comes with. 38:40.440 --> 38:41.600 Free AOL six months. 38:41.680 --> 38:42.020 Woo-hoo! 38:42.180 --> 38:42.580 Yippee! 38:43.360 --> 38:50.800 So, once I deleted that stuff and uninstalled that stuff, I went ahead and put Service Pack 2 on, knowing that it wouldn't break anything because there's nothing there to break. 38:51.700 --> 38:52.620 So, I did. 38:52.860 --> 38:56.340 And it actually has, you know, it's a step in the right direction. 38:56.440 --> 38:57.460 It has some features on it. 38:57.540 --> 38:59.940 It more tightly integrates the firewall. 39:00.420 --> 39:04.100 It adds some integration. 39:04.100 --> 39:09.500 It looks like it did not work too well with Norton Antivirus. 39:09.500 --> 39:14.540 I believe the Dell system came with a free three months or six months of Norton Antivirus subscription. 39:15.060 --> 39:16.940 It didn't integrate with that too well. 39:16.940 --> 39:27.120 But it looks like it was made or designed to try to integrate with your antivirus vendor and tie it in so that it will automate the scans and it will monitor and watch scanning and stuff like that. 39:27.120 --> 39:29.280 So, it looks like it's a step in the right direction. 39:29.380 --> 39:30.500 It's trying some new things. 39:30.500 --> 39:38.580 However, again, it doesn't, if it's really breaking software like we've seen so many reports of, it's, that's not cool. 39:38.580 --> 39:45.640 So, even with the good things that it added and, again, a step in the right direction, it still looks like it's fallen a little bit short. 39:46.460 --> 39:50.800 And most companies still are not rolling that out yet. 39:50.880 --> 39:53.800 Most of them are still holding off until they've, you know, done the research. 39:54.280 --> 40:03.680 Apparently, there's a list, there are lists out there, I should say plural, of software packages with known problems, known bugs with Service Pack 2. 40:03.680 --> 40:10.480 And where I work, we have a very, very wide variety of software in play at any given time. 40:10.660 --> 40:21.400 So, until they can go through and figure out which software is going to be affected, whether there are upgrades to it, what they can do to fix them, et cetera, et cetera, they're just not going to deploy Service Pack 2 until it's safe to do so. 40:22.480 --> 40:24.100 And that's what a lot of companies are doing. 40:26.640 --> 40:32.240 So, other than that, I did some reading this weekend as well. 40:32.240 --> 40:38.720 Well, I read through Ilanka's Cryptos presentation, actually from DEFCON 12, I believe it was. 40:39.520 --> 40:41.220 Did you sit in on that? 40:41.340 --> 40:43.240 Did you, um... 40:43.240 --> 40:44.880 What, are you kidding me? 40:45.380 --> 40:47.680 Did you make any presentations other than your own? 40:48.920 --> 40:49.320 No. 40:49.560 --> 40:50.880 No, you noob. 40:51.580 --> 40:53.380 Well, it was very, very interesting. 40:54.200 --> 40:56.840 She had her slideshow up and I went through her entire slideshow. 40:56.960 --> 40:58.320 Very, very interesting stuff. 40:58.380 --> 40:59.200 Lots of cool pictures. 40:59.200 --> 41:03.020 There's something I've been meaning to read up on for a while. 41:03.320 --> 41:10.940 Anyway, Cryptos Project, just really, really an interesting read. 41:11.000 --> 41:11.980 I can't recommend it enough. 41:12.060 --> 41:20.840 If you go to ilanka.com, E-L-O-N-K-A, you can find the presentation as well as a lot of other stuff that she's been working on, some cool projects. 41:20.840 --> 41:28.000 And I finished a presentation, I actually did this late last night, I finished a presentation for my 2600 meeting. 41:28.540 --> 41:33.660 It's going to be a short presentation of possibly a longer presentation. 41:33.920 --> 41:36.480 I'm hoping to present at some upcoming conference. 41:36.600 --> 41:38.460 I haven't decided when or where yet. 41:38.460 --> 41:45.120 So, it may even end up at Freaknik if they need a fill-in or something or somebody can't make it. 41:45.260 --> 41:47.420 I'll be prepared maybe to fill in there with it. 41:47.660 --> 41:51.840 But, I don't know if I'll have that, the long version done by then. 41:51.900 --> 41:57.320 But anyway, short presentation for my 2600 meeting. 41:57.420 --> 42:01.420 Give it a kind of a trial and have some people start demoing our new project. 42:01.420 --> 42:05.540 And that's been about it for me. 42:06.780 --> 42:09.820 Obviously, mention the 2600 meeting, they're coming up this Friday. 42:11.100 --> 42:14.320 I'm going to have to retract, actually, on one of my statements there, dog. 42:14.500 --> 42:15.740 Uh-oh, what are we retracting? 42:15.800 --> 42:20.260 It is a 10-1 presentation on voice over IP. 42:22.060 --> 42:23.280 Okay, besides your own. 42:24.400 --> 42:29.140 The Netsaphone one on restructuring a voice over IP conversation. 42:29.140 --> 42:31.120 Uh-huh. 42:32.380 --> 42:35.000 You didn't go to the civil disobedience or whatever it was? 42:36.260 --> 42:36.700 No. 42:37.220 --> 42:38.060 I saw that. 42:38.160 --> 42:39.580 I did see that presentation. 42:39.780 --> 42:40.720 I downloaded the video. 42:40.840 --> 42:42.020 Yes, I did as well. 42:42.320 --> 42:45.100 And that was fun. 42:45.360 --> 42:46.160 That was funny. 42:46.240 --> 42:48.200 That was a good... 42:48.200 --> 42:49.880 Yeah, I'll just leave it at that. 42:49.960 --> 42:52.140 That was interesting. 42:53.040 --> 42:53.600 Very interesting. 42:53.960 --> 42:54.360 Interesting. 42:55.400 --> 42:55.840 Interesting. 42:55.980 --> 42:56.880 That's the word for it. 42:57.700 --> 42:58.140 Yes. 42:58.380 --> 42:58.820 Interesting. 42:59.140 --> 42:59.940 The... 42:59.940 --> 43:00.160 Yeah. 43:00.600 --> 43:01.860 Anyway, let's move on. 43:02.240 --> 43:05.060 Oh, what a terrible time to segue into this topic, also. 43:06.600 --> 43:11.340 God, what a terrible segue into today's topic, which is internet crime. 43:12.840 --> 43:16.320 From civil electronic disobedience or whatever the hell he called it. 43:17.000 --> 43:18.080 Internet crime. 43:18.760 --> 43:23.880 I actually had this story sent to me from M2Mike, long-time friend of the show. 43:23.880 --> 43:33.400 Sent me an interesting email after he listened to our episode with Sub-Zero and I a few weeks ago on cyber law. 43:33.400 --> 43:40.320 And we were talking about jurisdiction and we were talking about jurisdiction and that he thought about us, sent us this article, you know, thinking about jurisdiction. 43:40.320 --> 43:52.780 And what this was, what this is, I guess I should say, is it's from the AP Press and it's about, it's a report about a meeting that is going on, I guess it was going on now in past tense. 43:52.780 --> 44:09.260 It's a three-day Council of Europe meeting in Strasbourg, France, to get governments worldwide to accelerate ratification of the Council's 2001 Cybercrime Convention, the first international treaty to combat internet crimes. 44:09.260 --> 44:13.380 And, apparently, it has a lot of support from several countries. 44:14.760 --> 44:17.440 One person said, quote, 44:18.080 --> 44:28.080 While fraud and copyright infringements account for most internet crimes, my main concern would be a terrorist attack on computer systems that control power plants or financial institutions. 44:28.920 --> 44:35.780 He said there is an impossibility in enforcing national laws on crimes committed on the internet. 44:35.780 --> 44:40.000 Gee, no shit, Sherlock! 44:40.860 --> 44:43.580 Have we been saying that from episode one on this show? 44:44.240 --> 44:45.800 That it's impossible to do that? 44:45.860 --> 44:51.820 That's exactly what I say how many times that the internet is global, the global interweb, we say that joke? 44:52.600 --> 44:58.440 You can't go across, you know, it's hard enough going across states finding stuff sometimes. 44:58.520 --> 45:03.420 But cross country, you can't enforce laws from one country on another one. 45:03.420 --> 45:08.220 Especially when they may be completely polar opposites of each other. 45:08.820 --> 45:10.400 I mean, it's just a ridiculous notion. 45:10.580 --> 45:15.540 However, however, the fact that he acknowledges that is a cool thing to me. 45:15.660 --> 45:16.760 I really think that's good. 45:18.140 --> 45:18.660 Yeah. 45:18.660 --> 45:36.300 Maybe they'll actually make some strides, make some differences and changes in an intelligent way to defend against fraud, which, you know, again, has nothing to do with hacking completely two separate subjects. 45:36.300 --> 45:43.920 You know, fraud is illegal and not condoned or endorsed by Binary Revolution Radio, okay? 45:44.660 --> 45:55.020 So, I think it's cool that they're going to try to come up with a way to defend against fraud, however, not infringing on our civil liberties, which is unfortunately the problem that they're doing now. 45:55.020 --> 45:59.700 Well, every time they pass one of these laws, they take away more of our rights. 46:00.580 --> 46:03.040 And that's the problem in the United States, anyway. 46:04.020 --> 46:14.700 Passing these global things like this Patriot Act and DMCA and taking away fair use, taking away, you know, consumer rights and stuff like that. 46:14.700 --> 46:19.800 So, hopefully, this doesn't turn into a global DMCA, which would be scary. 46:20.740 --> 46:30.100 Hopefully, they'll do this in an intelligent way and work together to come up with a compromise using other countries' morals and values and beliefs merging with ours. 46:30.180 --> 46:32.740 Maybe they'll actually bring us down to reality somewhat. 46:33.660 --> 46:35.800 You think, is that totally naive? 46:35.980 --> 46:37.600 Is that unrealistic to believe that? 46:39.140 --> 46:39.580 Probably. 46:39.580 --> 46:43.420 You know, Bush has 57% support right now. 46:43.620 --> 46:45.580 Well, Kerry only has 38%. 46:46.100 --> 46:48.460 How about Nader? 46:50.940 --> 46:52.760 I haven't looked at that factor yet. 46:54.180 --> 46:56.300 God, I wish we didn't have a two-party system. 46:56.500 --> 46:58.720 But, hey, don't turn this political. 46:58.900 --> 47:00.040 This is not a political show. 47:00.160 --> 47:00.920 This is a tech show. 47:01.000 --> 47:02.160 We're going back into this, damn it. 47:02.880 --> 47:05.200 Even though this is loosely tech-related, you know, 47:05.200 --> 47:11.360 but there is because there's some statistics coming up and long-time listeners know I'm a bit of a statistics nut. 47:13.520 --> 47:15.140 But, what was I saying? 47:15.200 --> 47:15.480 Oh, yeah. 47:15.680 --> 47:20.840 See, the thing, I think that the simple fact that they acknowledge that there's a problem, 47:21.480 --> 47:25.780 isn't that like Alcoholics Anonymous or one of those 12-step programs or something? 47:25.980 --> 47:29.060 The first step is acknowledging that you have a problem. 47:30.100 --> 47:31.460 You know, that's the first step. 47:31.820 --> 47:34.920 And the United States doesn't do that very well. 47:34.920 --> 47:36.040 They've never acknowledged it. 47:36.080 --> 47:40.580 They just think they're going to take control and just lay down this iron fist, 47:40.700 --> 47:41.560 lay down the law, 47:41.940 --> 47:47.180 and not understand the problem in an intelligent way. 47:47.420 --> 47:49.780 So, I am hopeful for this. 47:50.200 --> 47:51.700 I am hopeful that they will do the right thing. 47:51.820 --> 47:54.900 Maybe, maybe naively so, I admit. 47:55.080 --> 48:01.240 But, now, as I clear my throat on the air, which is bad radio, 48:01.240 --> 48:05.840 some statistics from this council that I wanted to talk about. 48:06.340 --> 48:08.060 Let me see how I am on time here. 48:08.160 --> 48:08.920 Yeah, I think we're all right. 48:10.480 --> 48:14.000 I want to go through as many of these statistics as I can and talk about some of them 48:14.000 --> 48:17.820 because I found them interesting and I hope some others do as well. 48:17.820 --> 48:19.760 The first one says, 48:19.920 --> 48:26.620 In Germany, internet crimes account for 1.3% of all recorded crimes. 48:27.420 --> 48:27.820 Okay? 48:27.980 --> 48:33.060 Internet crimes are only 1.3% of all recorded crimes in Germany. 48:33.480 --> 48:42.220 But, they account for 57% or $8.3 billion of material damage caused by the crime. 48:42.220 --> 48:49.700 Only 1.3% of them are actually, quote, internet crimes. 48:49.940 --> 48:53.640 But, they account for well over half of material damage. 48:54.520 --> 48:56.380 Now, how does that work? 48:59.320 --> 49:02.080 See, the first thing, anytime I see numbers like this, 49:02.640 --> 49:06.460 and this is just something, I don't know if it's with experience or common sense, 49:06.780 --> 49:08.860 but anytime you see numbers drop like this, 49:08.860 --> 49:11.460 the first thing you've got to ask is, 49:11.600 --> 49:13.160 how did you come up with this number? 49:13.260 --> 49:14.540 How were these numbers derived? 49:14.820 --> 49:15.620 What is the formula? 49:16.060 --> 49:17.000 What's the equation? 49:17.200 --> 49:18.760 How did you arrive at these numbers? 49:19.340 --> 49:21.940 You know, what is the definition of material damage? 49:22.500 --> 49:24.340 Who defines material damage? 49:24.440 --> 49:26.940 One person's definition may be different than someone else's. 49:27.340 --> 49:28.540 Does the company define it? 49:28.580 --> 49:29.700 Does the government define it? 49:30.540 --> 49:32.340 I think if we have a jury of our peers, 49:32.460 --> 49:36.140 that the jury of our peers should define what it is. 49:36.140 --> 49:39.740 You know, because the government's going to come up and make up a number like, 49:39.880 --> 49:43.880 oh, I don't know, say, $250,000 worth of damage to do something. 49:44.800 --> 49:48.060 When a jury of our peers, people who know how the system works, 49:48.160 --> 49:51.560 tech people who realize that it doesn't cost a quarter of a million dollars 49:51.560 --> 49:54.060 to say, change passwords or something like that, 49:54.100 --> 49:57.200 we know that it only takes, oh, three days, a few dollars, 49:57.280 --> 49:58.900 you know, however much you want to pay salary for people. 49:58.900 --> 50:03.800 Let's call it $20,000 at the most and be honest. 50:05.740 --> 50:07.320 You smell what I'm cooking here? 50:07.700 --> 50:09.660 Where have I heard a story like that before, Stank? 50:09.820 --> 50:10.780 That's what I'm saying. 50:11.240 --> 50:13.340 When you drop numbers like this, 50:14.240 --> 50:19.760 it's very important to define or to know what the definition of those numbers is. 50:20.280 --> 50:22.400 And unfortunately, they do not give us that. 50:22.820 --> 50:26.180 Simply saying that 1.3 of all crimes are Internet crimes, 50:26.180 --> 50:29.500 but they account for over half of it tells me 50:29.500 --> 50:32.060 that there's probably some exaggeration going on in those numbers. 50:33.120 --> 50:35.100 And this is in Germany, not the United States. 50:35.160 --> 50:36.200 The United States, we know it. 50:36.220 --> 50:37.260 We talk about it all the time. 50:37.340 --> 50:37.860 We see it. 50:38.240 --> 50:41.020 But I guess that's something that is global, 50:41.180 --> 50:42.720 that is worldwide, that is universal. 50:44.520 --> 50:45.800 So that's a little scary. 50:46.560 --> 50:47.560 Am I way off on that? 50:47.640 --> 50:48.740 I mean, are you with me on this or what? 50:49.700 --> 50:51.280 Yeah, I'm with you on that, definitely. 50:51.540 --> 50:51.780 Right? 50:51.780 --> 51:00.520 Yeah, that's a little outrageous to be over 50% of the damage is caused by Internet, 51:00.720 --> 51:02.780 but only 1%. 51:02.780 --> 51:08.480 Yeah, and their exact phrase is material damage. 51:09.320 --> 51:10.720 Now, what material damage? 51:10.840 --> 51:11.900 I mean, did somebody break a window? 51:12.040 --> 51:13.340 That's material damage, right? 51:14.240 --> 51:15.840 What's material damage? 51:15.840 --> 51:23.140 I mean, that's a strange word to use, first of all, material damage. 51:26.440 --> 51:29.100 I'm sitting here trying to think of how they could possibly define it, 51:29.100 --> 51:30.120 and I can't think of anything. 51:30.860 --> 51:34.360 It must be such a global, everything must fall under material damage. 51:35.400 --> 51:40.880 Yeah, I mean, RMRFing a drive, I mean, I guess that's material damage, 51:40.880 --> 51:47.800 and I guess if software or whatever the data was stored on that drive has a certain value, I guess. 51:48.600 --> 51:55.480 Yeah, but I guess, again, if their focus is and should be, hopefully, hopefully it is, fraud. 51:55.960 --> 51:58.560 Let's say that, you know, what is it, eBay, 51:59.020 --> 52:04.460 and people that are selling merchandise that's either stolen or nonexistent or pirated 52:04.460 --> 52:08.420 or just illegal or whatever, and they're being busted for fraud. 52:08.420 --> 52:14.900 Maybe every time they do that, they add the value of the merchandise as part of the material damage. 52:15.000 --> 52:16.900 Could that be what drives the number up so much? 52:18.420 --> 52:20.220 Well, yeah, that very well could be, 52:20.280 --> 52:25.940 and there are a lot of eBay scammers going on right now that hijack into eBay accounts, 52:26.080 --> 52:33.460 and, you know, you'll see this a lot on eBay when you try and look for something really expensive, 52:34.060 --> 52:35.700 and you see it at a nice, cheap price, 52:35.700 --> 52:39.320 and then you go and you look in the description, and it says, 52:39.600 --> 52:44.780 if you have any questions, please do not use the contact seller option. 52:45.400 --> 52:47.740 I cannot currently get into my email address. 52:48.280 --> 52:49.280 Email me here. 52:51.360 --> 52:57.680 Yeah, that's not, actually, that's kind of a good segue into the next statistic they dropped, 52:57.680 --> 53:01.180 and not so much a statistic, it's just a statement. 53:01.740 --> 53:02.020 It said, 53:02.140 --> 53:05.160 a fast-rising crime worldwide is phishing. 53:06.300 --> 53:09.440 Emails that appear to be from banks and other financial institutions 53:09.440 --> 53:12.220 asking customers for their credit card details. 53:13.240 --> 53:14.080 Sound familiar? 53:15.580 --> 53:18.620 Ascidus, myself, we talked about this on the show recently, 53:19.200 --> 53:20.640 phishing, what it is, 53:20.640 --> 53:27.700 very low entry, low barriers to entry in the phishing market. 53:27.820 --> 53:31.560 Anybody can make up a phishing email and send it out to people. 53:32.400 --> 53:34.000 But that is on the rise, 53:34.140 --> 53:36.960 so very timely that we talked about that. 53:39.120 --> 53:39.880 Now this one, 53:39.940 --> 53:42.040 I'm curious to hear what you have to say about this one. 53:42.040 --> 53:49.720 Websites promoting racism, hatred, and violence have risen 300% since 2000. 53:49.860 --> 53:51.380 That's supposed to say, a typo on my part. 53:51.880 --> 53:52.780 Since 2000. 53:53.260 --> 53:55.120 Most are hosted in the United States, 53:55.240 --> 53:57.540 but many may originate in Europe. 53:59.000 --> 54:01.500 Now I'm curious what your reaction to that is. 54:04.120 --> 54:06.080 What do you want my reaction to be? 54:06.300 --> 54:06.700 I mean... 54:06.700 --> 54:08.680 I don't, it doesn't matter what I want it to be. 54:08.720 --> 54:09.180 I want to know, 54:09.600 --> 54:11.780 okay, let me just come out and say. 54:12.040 --> 54:12.980 Well, what do you expect? 54:13.980 --> 54:14.560 I'm sorry? 54:15.480 --> 54:16.600 What do you expect? 54:16.740 --> 54:17.040 I mean, 54:17.820 --> 54:19.180 I don't promote racism, 54:19.520 --> 54:23.040 but I'm not against these people 54:23.040 --> 54:24.760 having their own sight 54:24.760 --> 54:26.340 and promoting their own free speech. 54:26.620 --> 54:29.060 And that's exactly what I wanted to hear you say. 54:29.120 --> 54:30.520 That's exactly the way I feel. 54:31.500 --> 54:32.800 Exactly the way I feel about it. 54:32.800 --> 54:34.540 I wanted to know if you were going to say the same thing. 54:34.580 --> 54:35.480 That's what I was looking for. 54:36.360 --> 54:37.100 Yeah, I mean, 54:37.980 --> 54:40.380 it's just one person's views or opinions, 54:40.380 --> 54:42.320 and if they want to promote it 54:42.320 --> 54:46.380 or give their insight on how they feel, 54:46.520 --> 54:48.520 then by all means, go ahead. 54:49.160 --> 54:50.080 Yeah, absolutely. 54:50.340 --> 54:53.380 And that's so important that like... 54:54.700 --> 54:56.580 And again, don't get me wrong. 54:56.660 --> 54:57.920 We're not condoning the hatred 54:57.920 --> 54:59.660 or the messages of some of these sites 54:59.660 --> 55:01.680 in any way, shape, or form. 55:01.680 --> 55:04.560 But I acknowledge their right 55:04.560 --> 55:06.100 to be that way. 55:06.640 --> 55:08.280 They have a right to free speech, 55:08.320 --> 55:09.460 and that's why there's so many of them 55:09.460 --> 55:10.460 in the United States. 55:11.180 --> 55:12.600 It's because we do have a right 55:12.600 --> 55:13.500 to free speech here. 55:14.300 --> 55:15.960 You know, that is one of our greatest freedoms, 55:16.080 --> 55:17.040 the right to free speech. 55:17.920 --> 55:21.040 And the simple fact that 55:21.040 --> 55:23.040 this is some kind of negative, 55:23.300 --> 55:24.540 or it's included in statistics 55:24.540 --> 55:26.560 with other negative topics 55:26.560 --> 55:28.840 like fraud and cyber crime, 55:28.840 --> 55:30.460 there's no crime here. 55:30.540 --> 55:31.940 I don't know why this is even related. 55:32.080 --> 55:33.100 How is somebody 55:33.100 --> 55:35.540 exercising their free speech, 55:35.600 --> 55:37.080 whether you agree with it or not, 55:37.800 --> 55:39.480 exercising their right to free speech, 55:39.540 --> 55:40.500 how is that somehow 55:40.500 --> 55:43.220 even remotely related to cyber crime? 55:43.340 --> 55:44.280 That's what I didn't like. 55:44.580 --> 55:46.020 This is the biggest thing about the article 55:46.020 --> 55:47.720 that I did not like reading. 55:49.060 --> 55:49.500 Yeah. 55:49.900 --> 55:50.860 You know, that's ridiculous. 55:50.860 --> 55:54.200 I mean, that's in the same basket 55:54.200 --> 55:56.960 as if they had made some statistics 55:56.960 --> 55:57.820 saying like, 55:58.420 --> 56:00.900 oh, well, websites promoting hacking 56:00.900 --> 56:01.840 and, you know, 56:02.160 --> 56:04.760 stuff like that has risen 300%. 56:04.760 --> 56:05.600 Right, right. 56:05.680 --> 56:06.080 I mean, it's, 56:06.860 --> 56:07.740 they're just, 56:09.360 --> 56:10.300 I mean, all I can, 56:10.400 --> 56:12.000 all I want to say to that is, 56:12.340 --> 56:12.780 so? 56:14.500 --> 56:15.280 Yeah, yeah, 56:15.280 --> 56:16.540 that's exactly how I felt. 56:16.620 --> 56:17.380 That's why I was like, 56:17.620 --> 56:18.980 what do you want me to say to that? 56:18.980 --> 56:19.280 I mean, 56:19.400 --> 56:21.880 that was my reaction. 56:22.660 --> 56:23.060 So? 56:23.380 --> 56:23.820 Exactly. 56:24.880 --> 56:25.680 I know what you mean. 56:26.260 --> 56:26.840 But you know what? 56:26.880 --> 56:27.620 The thing is, 56:29.780 --> 56:31.680 I really, 56:31.880 --> 56:33.360 it just frustrates me that 56:33.360 --> 56:36.740 people have a problem 56:36.740 --> 56:39.100 where they think that 56:39.100 --> 56:40.620 because someone has a message 56:40.620 --> 56:42.140 or an idea 56:42.140 --> 56:43.260 or a thought process 56:43.260 --> 56:44.680 that's different from their own, 56:45.960 --> 56:48.160 that they are automatically wrong 56:48.160 --> 56:49.400 and they do not 56:49.400 --> 56:50.860 or should not have a right to say it. 56:50.900 --> 56:51.520 Let's ban it. 56:51.980 --> 56:52.900 Let's ban everything. 56:53.060 --> 56:53.320 That's our, 56:53.380 --> 56:55.500 that's our way in this country lately. 56:55.960 --> 56:57.180 Oh, he might be a terrorist. 56:57.280 --> 56:58.580 Let's pass laws to ban that. 56:58.640 --> 56:59.800 Oh, we can't let him fly. 56:59.880 --> 57:01.040 Let's pass a law against that. 57:01.220 --> 57:02.440 Oh, no, you can't do this. 57:02.480 --> 57:02.820 Oh, no, 57:02.860 --> 57:03.540 we're not going to allow you 57:03.540 --> 57:04.120 to have that freedom. 57:04.200 --> 57:05.380 Oh, you're not allowed to talk on this. 57:05.540 --> 57:06.620 Oh, you can't say these words 57:06.620 --> 57:07.660 on the airwaves anymore. 57:07.760 --> 57:08.120 You can't, 57:08.280 --> 57:09.780 yeah, let's just keep banning stuff 57:09.780 --> 57:11.240 until we run out of stuff to ban. 57:11.340 --> 57:12.660 That's real fucking brilliant. 57:12.660 --> 57:15.960 Wow, I didn't, 57:16.040 --> 57:17.080 I don't know where that one came from. 57:17.180 --> 57:18.280 I, I got worked up 57:18.280 --> 57:18.820 and didn't even know, 57:18.880 --> 57:19.800 I didn't feel that one coming. 57:19.880 --> 57:20.640 That came out of nowhere. 57:21.260 --> 57:21.700 But I, 57:21.820 --> 57:23.300 because I feel strongly about that. 57:23.380 --> 57:24.060 Seriously, what is, 57:25.280 --> 57:25.580 Oh. 57:25.780 --> 57:26.140 I totally, 57:26.240 --> 57:28.040 I totally agree with you, Stank. 57:29.060 --> 57:29.680 Burn the book, 57:29.800 --> 57:30.020 brown, 57:30.160 --> 57:30.900 brown shirt. 57:33.340 --> 57:34.720 I need some me time now. 57:34.740 --> 57:35.680 I need some quiet time, 57:35.820 --> 57:36.600 calm down time. 57:37.280 --> 57:37.680 Oh, 57:37.840 --> 57:38.420 but you know what? 57:38.420 --> 57:39.240 I, I am, 57:39.400 --> 57:41.060 I am going to take this opportunity 57:41.060 --> 57:42.660 to, 57:43.980 --> 57:45.020 I, 57:45.160 --> 57:45.280 we'll, 57:45.340 --> 57:46.280 we'll wrap up that topic. 57:46.360 --> 57:47.380 There were some other things 57:47.380 --> 57:48.520 in there that stood out. 57:49.320 --> 57:50.060 Some other things 57:50.060 --> 57:50.520 that were interesting. 57:50.720 --> 57:51.300 I read the ones 57:51.300 --> 57:52.100 that really stood out 57:52.100 --> 57:52.680 that I really wanted 57:52.680 --> 57:53.580 to emphasize out of it. 57:53.620 --> 57:54.780 There were several other statistics 57:54.780 --> 57:56.000 and you can search 57:56.000 --> 57:56.860 through the AP Press 57:56.860 --> 57:58.620 if you want to find this cyber crime. 57:59.980 --> 58:01.060 And where was it? 58:01.560 --> 58:04.340 S-T-R-A-S-B-O-U-R-G 58:04.340 --> 58:05.880 Strasbourg, France. 58:06.320 --> 58:07.580 Probably search with just that 58:07.580 --> 58:08.140 you'll find it. 58:08.140 --> 58:08.280 I mean, 58:08.340 --> 58:09.340 what the hell else goes on 58:09.340 --> 58:10.760 in Strasbourg, France anyway? 58:12.420 --> 58:13.820 Sorry if I offended anybody 58:13.820 --> 58:15.080 in Strasbourg, France, 58:15.160 --> 58:15.820 but you know what? 58:16.840 --> 58:17.820 Go eat some french fries 58:17.820 --> 58:18.240 or something. 58:19.240 --> 58:19.600 Um, 58:19.720 --> 58:20.120 anyway. 58:20.340 --> 58:20.780 I don't know. 58:22.720 --> 58:23.780 I'm just being funny. 58:23.880 --> 58:24.100 Shut up. 58:24.140 --> 58:24.820 I'm sure they're, 58:24.820 --> 58:25.800 I'm sure they're cities 58:25.800 --> 58:27.360 at least bigger than Glossy. 58:28.460 --> 58:28.820 Yeah, 58:28.900 --> 58:29.080 well, 58:29.140 --> 58:29.840 you may be right. 58:30.800 --> 58:31.200 Um, 58:31.940 --> 58:32.380 but, 58:32.900 --> 58:33.340 you know, 58:33.380 --> 58:34.520 I said this a minute ago, 58:35.580 --> 58:36.100 um, 58:36.160 --> 58:37.120 and I'm going to say it again. 58:37.120 --> 58:38.920 I don't know if this is crossing 58:38.920 --> 58:39.840 a line to corny 58:39.840 --> 58:41.520 or tacky 58:41.520 --> 58:41.880 or whatever, 58:42.000 --> 58:43.120 but I just want to say that 58:43.120 --> 58:44.860 since we are on this topic 58:44.860 --> 58:45.780 of cyber crime 58:45.780 --> 58:46.820 and we're talking about 58:46.820 --> 58:48.160 what's right 58:48.160 --> 58:49.000 and what's wrong 58:49.000 --> 58:49.900 and what should be 58:49.900 --> 58:50.560 and shouldn't be, 58:50.660 --> 58:50.920 et cetera, 58:51.000 --> 58:51.340 et cetera, 58:51.340 --> 58:53.460 the bottom line is 58:53.460 --> 58:55.240 a crime is a crime. 58:56.240 --> 58:56.580 Okay? 58:56.700 --> 58:57.760 There are certain things 58:57.760 --> 58:58.660 that are universally 58:58.660 --> 59:01.640 not condoned 59:01.640 --> 59:03.740 even by the hacker community. 59:03.860 --> 59:04.700 I know we're an interesting 59:04.700 --> 59:05.620 group of people 59:05.620 --> 59:06.720 and we do have 59:06.720 --> 59:08.040 our own set of ethics 59:08.040 --> 59:09.120 and our ethics 59:09.120 --> 59:10.820 sometimes do not coincide 59:10.820 --> 59:12.860 with what the government, 59:13.000 --> 59:13.800 the United States government, 59:13.940 --> 59:15.060 wants our ethics to be. 59:15.180 --> 59:16.660 They do not always coincide. 59:17.760 --> 59:18.100 And that, 59:18.180 --> 59:18.420 you know what, 59:18.420 --> 59:18.880 that's the case 59:18.880 --> 59:19.920 with every single human being 59:19.920 --> 59:21.060 on the face of the planet Earth, 59:21.160 --> 59:21.500 frankly. 59:22.380 --> 59:22.740 So, 59:22.980 --> 59:25.020 that being said, 59:25.740 --> 59:26.820 I myself 59:26.820 --> 59:28.500 and the DDP in general 59:28.500 --> 59:29.560 do not promote 59:29.560 --> 59:30.640 or condone 59:30.640 --> 59:32.300 crime of any kind. 59:33.040 --> 59:33.880 Never have, 59:33.960 --> 59:34.440 never will. 59:34.960 --> 59:35.880 Absolutely not. 59:36.380 --> 59:37.320 You commit fraud, 59:38.380 --> 59:39.220 identity theft, 59:39.340 --> 59:40.020 things like that, 59:40.020 --> 59:42.180 this is a universal crime. 59:42.660 --> 59:44.140 If you are stealing money 59:44.140 --> 59:45.680 from an old lady, 59:46.220 --> 59:48.280 if you are trying to sell 59:48.280 --> 59:49.380 a laptop on eBay, 59:50.060 --> 59:51.040 getting someone's money 59:51.040 --> 59:51.900 and then not delivering 59:51.900 --> 59:52.440 the merchandise, 59:52.940 --> 59:53.740 that's fraud. 59:54.320 --> 59:55.780 If you steal somebody's 59:55.780 --> 59:56.620 credit card numbers 59:56.620 --> 59:58.020 and buy things with them, 59:58.420 --> 59:59.920 that is a crime. 01:00:01.000 --> 01:00:01.980 It has nothing to do 01:00:01.980 --> 01:00:02.480 with hacking. 01:00:02.900 --> 01:00:03.820 I hate hackers 01:00:03.820 --> 01:00:04.900 getting tied to that. 01:00:05.260 --> 01:00:06.600 Hackers steal your credit cards. 01:00:06.780 --> 01:00:08.160 Hackers committing fraud, 01:00:08.260 --> 01:00:08.800 identity theft. 01:00:08.800 --> 01:00:09.560 No, we're not. 01:00:10.000 --> 01:00:10.640 Thieves are. 01:00:11.280 --> 01:00:12.500 And I know we've said that a lot 01:00:12.500 --> 01:00:13.140 and I'm not going to go 01:00:13.140 --> 01:00:14.000 into a big soapbox, 01:00:14.280 --> 01:00:15.000 but I wanted to come out 01:00:15.000 --> 01:00:16.040 and just say that officially. 01:00:16.400 --> 01:00:17.760 If you do these kind of things, 01:00:18.120 --> 01:00:19.280 you are going to get punished. 01:00:19.380 --> 01:00:20.760 You deserve to get punished. 01:00:21.460 --> 01:00:22.200 Some sort, 01:00:22.260 --> 01:00:23.340 some sort of punishment. 01:00:23.740 --> 01:00:24.000 Now, 01:00:24.160 --> 01:00:24.680 the level 01:00:24.680 --> 01:00:25.540 and severity 01:00:25.540 --> 01:00:26.240 of that punishment 01:00:26.240 --> 01:00:27.460 is a whole other topic. 01:00:28.360 --> 01:00:28.620 Okay, 01:00:28.720 --> 01:00:29.580 but there is, 01:00:31.400 --> 01:00:32.660 you are going to get 01:00:32.660 --> 01:00:33.400 repercussions 01:00:33.400 --> 01:00:34.400 for the things 01:00:34.400 --> 01:00:35.340 that you do in life. 01:00:36.320 --> 01:00:37.640 And when you commit crimes, 01:00:37.640 --> 01:00:38.440 you can expect 01:00:38.440 --> 01:00:39.920 to do the time 01:00:39.920 --> 01:00:40.960 to use a cliche. 01:00:43.120 --> 01:00:43.560 But, 01:00:43.680 --> 01:00:44.260 if you do, 01:00:44.680 --> 01:00:44.900 you know, 01:00:44.940 --> 01:00:45.800 there are some crimes 01:00:45.800 --> 01:00:45.940 that, 01:00:46.060 --> 01:00:46.300 like I said, 01:00:46.360 --> 01:00:47.040 the hacker community 01:00:47.040 --> 01:00:48.920 doesn't exactly see eye to eye 01:00:48.920 --> 01:00:50.900 with other people's morals 01:00:50.900 --> 01:00:51.940 and other people's ethics. 01:00:52.340 --> 01:00:54.200 If you dial a phone number, 01:00:54.320 --> 01:00:54.820 for example, 01:00:54.920 --> 01:00:55.520 even whether it's 01:00:55.520 --> 01:00:56.520 in rapid succession, 01:00:56.760 --> 01:00:57.240 automated, 01:00:57.380 --> 01:00:58.300 or something like that, 01:00:59.220 --> 01:00:59.800 that to me 01:00:59.800 --> 01:01:01.100 is not necessarily a crime. 01:01:01.280 --> 01:01:02.320 Some states 01:01:02.320 --> 01:01:03.640 or governments 01:01:03.640 --> 01:01:04.000 or whatever 01:01:04.000 --> 01:01:05.060 may view that as a crime, 01:01:05.060 --> 01:01:05.600 but to me, 01:01:05.920 --> 01:01:07.800 that's an educational pursuit. 01:01:07.980 --> 01:01:08.740 That's not a crime. 01:01:09.680 --> 01:01:10.320 That's learning 01:01:10.320 --> 01:01:11.340 how things work. 01:01:11.900 --> 01:01:13.220 That's figuring out patterns. 01:01:13.380 --> 01:01:14.280 That's trying to learn 01:01:14.280 --> 01:01:14.780 the system. 01:01:15.040 --> 01:01:15.700 Because Lord knows 01:01:15.700 --> 01:01:16.280 you're not going to learn 01:01:16.280 --> 01:01:17.460 the system from any textbooks. 01:01:18.460 --> 01:01:19.520 They don't make books 01:01:19.520 --> 01:01:20.360 on that kind of subject. 01:01:20.460 --> 01:01:21.000 You want to find out 01:01:21.000 --> 01:01:22.240 how your phone system works? 01:01:22.760 --> 01:01:23.400 You have to figure 01:01:23.400 --> 01:01:24.340 that stuff out yourself. 01:01:24.440 --> 01:01:24.820 You're going to have to 01:01:24.820 --> 01:01:25.400 do a little freaking. 01:01:25.520 --> 01:01:26.020 Can I get an amen? 01:01:27.800 --> 01:01:28.600 Amen, brother. 01:01:28.600 --> 01:01:29.840 You have to do 01:01:29.840 --> 01:01:30.440 a little freaking. 01:01:31.300 --> 01:01:31.500 You know, 01:01:31.760 --> 01:01:32.740 if you don't cause damage, 01:01:32.780 --> 01:01:34.060 if there's no damage caused, 01:01:34.300 --> 01:01:35.280 nothing gets stolen, 01:01:35.440 --> 01:01:36.280 nobody gets hurt, 01:01:36.740 --> 01:01:37.860 it's an educational pursuit. 01:01:37.940 --> 01:01:38.940 Where's the crime there? 01:01:39.200 --> 01:01:40.260 The crime of knowledge? 01:01:41.040 --> 01:01:42.100 That's a crime now? 01:01:42.200 --> 01:01:43.160 Knowledge is a crime? 01:01:44.180 --> 01:01:46.140 You know what the crime is, 01:01:46.240 --> 01:01:46.820 Stink? 01:01:47.880 --> 01:01:50.180 You woke up some lady 01:01:50.180 --> 01:01:52.020 who all she does 01:01:52.020 --> 01:01:52.660 is she goes down 01:01:52.660 --> 01:01:53.820 to the welfare office 01:01:53.820 --> 01:01:55.780 and collects her check 01:01:55.780 --> 01:01:56.480 once a week, 01:01:56.480 --> 01:01:58.040 and she sleeps 01:01:58.040 --> 01:01:58.760 during the day 01:01:58.760 --> 01:01:59.780 and now you woke her up 01:01:59.780 --> 01:02:00.640 because you were dialing 01:02:00.640 --> 01:02:01.660 every number in a prefix 01:02:01.660 --> 01:02:03.780 and she didn't like it. 01:02:04.600 --> 01:02:05.960 Well, boo fucking who? 01:02:08.020 --> 01:02:09.340 Take her phone off the hook. 01:02:10.160 --> 01:02:10.860 Yeah, right. 01:02:11.120 --> 01:02:12.060 She doesn't like it 01:02:12.060 --> 01:02:12.880 like we said earlier. 01:02:12.940 --> 01:02:13.580 If you get a call, 01:02:14.060 --> 01:02:14.640 you pick it up, 01:02:14.680 --> 01:02:15.100 you say hello, 01:02:15.220 --> 01:02:15.900 you don't like what you hear, 01:02:15.940 --> 01:02:16.800 you hang the fuck up. 01:02:17.640 --> 01:02:18.240 That simple. 01:02:18.500 --> 01:02:18.660 Yeah. 01:02:19.400 --> 01:02:20.460 Especially when you're doing 01:02:20.460 --> 01:02:21.140 these, you know, 01:02:21.760 --> 01:02:23.080 the example I was using earlier, 01:02:23.520 --> 01:02:24.140 war dialing, 01:02:24.420 --> 01:02:25.400 I was alluding to. 01:02:26.000 --> 01:02:26.680 You call it once 01:02:26.680 --> 01:02:27.440 and you're done anyway. 01:02:27.840 --> 01:02:28.700 You're not going to call back. 01:02:29.500 --> 01:02:30.280 You wanted to see 01:02:30.280 --> 01:02:30.760 what answered 01:02:30.760 --> 01:02:31.400 or who answered 01:02:31.400 --> 01:02:32.360 or if anybody answered. 01:02:33.540 --> 01:02:34.560 So it's just finding 01:02:34.560 --> 01:02:35.580 how much stuff's out there. 01:02:35.640 --> 01:02:36.820 It's a statistical analysis. 01:02:36.940 --> 01:02:37.520 How many phones 01:02:37.520 --> 01:02:38.440 have computers on them, 01:02:38.700 --> 01:02:39.240 fax machines, 01:02:39.380 --> 01:02:40.040 et cetera, et cetera. 01:02:40.780 --> 01:02:41.120 You know? 01:02:41.280 --> 01:02:42.740 Now, don't get me wrong, 01:02:42.800 --> 01:02:43.920 there's a fine line. 01:02:44.000 --> 01:02:44.920 If you do something 01:02:44.920 --> 01:02:46.300 with that number subsequently, 01:02:47.040 --> 01:02:48.500 if you commit a crime later 01:02:48.500 --> 01:02:50.500 with information you've found 01:02:50.500 --> 01:02:51.180 anywhere, 01:02:51.480 --> 01:02:52.020 in any way, 01:02:52.120 --> 01:02:52.300 shape, 01:02:52.320 --> 01:02:52.860 or form, 01:02:53.680 --> 01:02:54.980 that's a whole different area. 01:02:54.980 --> 01:02:56.380 That's crossing a line. 01:02:56.500 --> 01:02:57.360 If you commit a crime, 01:02:57.480 --> 01:02:57.780 yes. 01:02:58.360 --> 01:02:59.240 But the act 01:02:59.240 --> 01:03:00.440 of gathering knowledge 01:03:00.440 --> 01:03:01.060 and learning 01:03:01.060 --> 01:03:05.320 should not be criminalized. 01:03:06.280 --> 01:03:07.460 And it's a sad, 01:03:07.580 --> 01:03:08.580 sad thing that it is. 01:03:08.800 --> 01:03:09.540 That they're trying 01:03:09.540 --> 01:03:10.880 to make knowledge 01:03:10.880 --> 01:03:11.640 a crime. 01:03:12.480 --> 01:03:12.600 And 01:03:12.600 --> 01:03:14.700 it just makes me 01:03:14.700 --> 01:03:15.280 want to cry. 01:03:16.640 --> 01:03:17.920 I can't calm down. 01:03:18.160 --> 01:03:19.100 I'm getting verklapped. 01:03:19.100 --> 01:03:21.480 Now, that's the thing. 01:03:21.780 --> 01:03:22.720 Law enforcement 01:03:22.720 --> 01:03:24.320 can't distinguish 01:03:24.320 --> 01:03:25.320 where that line is. 01:03:25.560 --> 01:03:26.840 That's the biggest problem. 01:03:27.200 --> 01:03:28.660 People don't get us 01:03:28.660 --> 01:03:29.400 as hackers. 01:03:29.520 --> 01:03:30.240 People don't get 01:03:30.240 --> 01:03:31.380 our mindset. 01:03:32.000 --> 01:03:32.560 And unfortunately, 01:03:32.760 --> 01:03:33.200 the people 01:03:33.200 --> 01:03:35.100 are in charge. 01:03:35.220 --> 01:03:36.180 The people are the ones 01:03:36.180 --> 01:03:36.600 that are, 01:03:36.800 --> 01:03:37.880 the people are the ones 01:03:37.880 --> 01:03:38.680 electing officials. 01:03:38.880 --> 01:03:39.520 The people are the, 01:03:39.940 --> 01:03:41.100 are the man, 01:03:41.680 --> 01:03:42.200 you know, 01:03:42.280 --> 01:03:43.120 passing these laws 01:03:43.120 --> 01:03:44.220 against stuff like this. 01:03:44.220 --> 01:03:46.960 in their ignorant way, 01:03:47.060 --> 01:03:47.660 not knowing 01:03:47.660 --> 01:03:48.420 or understanding 01:03:48.420 --> 01:03:49.380 what it's all about. 01:03:50.220 --> 01:03:51.620 And that's the biggest problem 01:03:51.620 --> 01:03:52.520 is that law enforcement 01:03:52.520 --> 01:03:53.360 and our government 01:03:53.360 --> 01:03:54.460 can't distinguish 01:03:54.460 --> 01:03:55.440 where that line is. 01:03:55.580 --> 01:03:56.160 But you know what? 01:03:56.500 --> 01:03:57.320 Some hackers can't 01:03:57.320 --> 01:03:58.340 distinguish that line either. 01:03:59.460 --> 01:03:59.740 You know, 01:03:59.800 --> 01:04:01.040 some hackers cross the line 01:04:01.040 --> 01:04:01.980 or at least they straddle 01:04:01.980 --> 01:04:02.300 that line. 01:04:02.380 --> 01:04:02.900 We come close 01:04:02.900 --> 01:04:03.820 to the line sometimes. 01:04:04.480 --> 01:04:05.720 So it's a two-way street. 01:04:05.860 --> 01:04:06.080 Don't, 01:04:06.460 --> 01:04:06.660 you know, 01:04:06.700 --> 01:04:07.480 I'm not sitting here 01:04:07.480 --> 01:04:08.060 saying it's all 01:04:08.060 --> 01:04:09.100 law enforcement's problem 01:04:09.100 --> 01:04:10.300 and that we should all 01:04:10.300 --> 01:04:10.840 be able to do 01:04:10.840 --> 01:04:11.520 whatever we want 01:04:11.520 --> 01:04:12.360 because it's on a computer 01:04:12.360 --> 01:04:13.140 in the interweb 01:04:13.140 --> 01:04:14.020 and therefore we can do 01:04:14.020 --> 01:04:14.300 all that. 01:04:14.540 --> 01:04:14.740 No, 01:04:14.800 --> 01:04:15.720 that's not the case either. 01:04:16.260 --> 01:04:16.880 I'm just saying 01:04:16.880 --> 01:04:17.280 that if you're going 01:04:17.280 --> 01:04:18.140 to pass laws, 01:04:18.540 --> 01:04:19.180 make acts 01:04:19.180 --> 01:04:20.020 and stuff like that. 01:04:21.220 --> 01:04:21.780 What's that? 01:04:22.500 --> 01:04:23.420 And some people, 01:04:23.600 --> 01:04:24.420 they sometimes 01:04:24.420 --> 01:04:25.380 get a little bit greedy 01:04:25.380 --> 01:04:27.640 and they start committing crimes 01:04:27.640 --> 01:04:28.880 but you know what? 01:04:28.920 --> 01:04:29.600 That's on them. 01:04:30.060 --> 01:04:30.580 That's right. 01:04:30.980 --> 01:04:32.140 That's absolutely right. 01:04:32.560 --> 01:04:32.580 And, 01:04:32.640 --> 01:04:33.620 you know, 01:04:33.740 --> 01:04:34.380 and that leads 01:04:34.380 --> 01:04:35.520 to the last point 01:04:35.520 --> 01:04:35.940 which again, 01:04:35.980 --> 01:04:36.440 this could turn 01:04:36.440 --> 01:04:37.220 into a whole other 01:04:37.220 --> 01:04:39.340 discussion and analysis. 01:04:40.440 --> 01:04:41.900 When you pass these laws 01:04:41.900 --> 01:04:42.960 and make these acts, 01:04:43.020 --> 01:04:43.820 I was getting saying 01:04:43.820 --> 01:04:45.280 consider the nature 01:04:45.280 --> 01:04:45.900 of the action 01:04:45.900 --> 01:04:46.680 very closely. 01:04:47.320 --> 01:04:48.420 Was anybody hurt? 01:04:48.640 --> 01:04:49.760 What was the danger? 01:04:49.880 --> 01:04:51.160 What was the crime? 01:04:51.280 --> 01:04:52.160 Was damage caused? 01:04:52.220 --> 01:04:52.980 Things like that. 01:04:53.420 --> 01:04:53.680 Okay? 01:04:54.020 --> 01:04:54.740 And look at it 01:04:54.740 --> 01:04:56.420 more open-mindedly 01:04:56.420 --> 01:04:56.920 and closely 01:04:56.920 --> 01:04:57.820 and when you pass 01:04:57.820 --> 01:04:58.220 these things, 01:04:58.280 --> 01:04:58.840 don't make them 01:04:58.840 --> 01:04:59.520 so hardcore. 01:05:00.600 --> 01:05:00.880 You know, 01:05:01.400 --> 01:05:01.980 the punishment 01:05:01.980 --> 01:05:03.340 should fit the crime. 01:05:04.480 --> 01:05:04.840 You know? 01:05:04.840 --> 01:05:06.320 That's the other thing. 01:05:06.860 --> 01:05:07.820 If somebody's, 01:05:08.120 --> 01:05:08.520 you know, 01:05:08.760 --> 01:05:09.120 oh, 01:05:09.220 --> 01:05:10.040 somebody dialed you 01:05:10.040 --> 01:05:10.680 and woke you up 01:05:10.680 --> 01:05:10.960 in the middle 01:05:10.960 --> 01:05:11.480 of the daytime, 01:05:11.680 --> 01:05:12.320 big deal. 01:05:12.740 --> 01:05:13.800 We've got drug dealers 01:05:13.800 --> 01:05:15.020 that go out in the street, 01:05:15.760 --> 01:05:16.060 you know, 01:05:16.160 --> 01:05:17.780 days after they've been arrested. 01:05:18.460 --> 01:05:19.240 That punishment 01:05:19.240 --> 01:05:20.600 doesn't fit that crime. 01:05:21.020 --> 01:05:21.300 Of course, 01:05:21.340 --> 01:05:22.080 that's my opinion. 01:05:22.180 --> 01:05:22.800 I'm sure there's people 01:05:22.800 --> 01:05:23.380 out there that disagree 01:05:23.380 --> 01:05:23.820 with that. 01:05:24.360 --> 01:05:25.240 The druggies out there, 01:05:25.280 --> 01:05:25.620 I guess. 01:05:26.300 --> 01:05:26.700 But, 01:05:26.780 --> 01:05:27.680 there are certain crimes 01:05:27.680 --> 01:05:28.460 where it doesn't fit 01:05:28.460 --> 01:05:29.500 and for some reason 01:05:29.500 --> 01:05:31.520 they lump us hackers 01:05:31.520 --> 01:05:32.420 in with terrorists 01:05:32.420 --> 01:05:33.540 which is the biggest 01:05:33.540 --> 01:05:35.120 misconception ever. 01:05:36.080 --> 01:05:36.400 Ever. 01:05:38.000 --> 01:05:38.400 And, 01:05:38.520 --> 01:05:39.240 they try to 01:05:39.240 --> 01:05:40.460 throw the book at us 01:05:40.460 --> 01:05:41.120 and be all, 01:05:41.320 --> 01:05:42.020 you know, 01:05:42.520 --> 01:05:43.180 authoritative 01:05:43.180 --> 01:05:43.400 and, 01:05:43.480 --> 01:05:43.840 oh no, 01:05:43.960 --> 01:05:44.960 you can't know more 01:05:44.960 --> 01:05:45.400 than I do. 01:05:45.460 --> 01:05:46.020 We're going to throw you 01:05:46.020 --> 01:05:47.600 in prison for 40 years 01:05:47.600 --> 01:05:48.320 and you can't touch 01:05:48.320 --> 01:05:49.340 a computer ever again. 01:05:50.400 --> 01:05:50.760 Okay. 01:05:52.140 --> 01:05:52.540 Meanwhile, 01:05:53.000 --> 01:05:53.680 I think the message 01:05:53.680 --> 01:05:54.400 you're sending here 01:05:54.400 --> 01:05:55.980 is that I could sell drugs 01:05:55.980 --> 01:05:56.960 and be out in a week. 01:05:57.040 --> 01:05:57.900 Is that the message 01:05:57.900 --> 01:05:58.440 that we're getting? 01:05:58.460 --> 01:05:58.700 in here? 01:06:00.580 --> 01:06:00.920 Yep. 01:06:01.140 --> 01:06:01.320 And, 01:06:01.400 --> 01:06:02.920 you're sending these, 01:06:02.920 --> 01:06:05.060 these poor little ones, 01:06:05.420 --> 01:06:05.940 I mean, 01:06:05.980 --> 01:06:06.560 I don't mean to be 01:06:06.560 --> 01:06:07.380 stereotypical, 01:06:07.520 --> 01:06:08.080 but these like, 01:06:08.420 --> 01:06:10.100 white skinny kid hackers 01:06:10.100 --> 01:06:11.140 in prison. 01:06:12.640 --> 01:06:13.580 I don't know if that's, 01:06:13.580 --> 01:06:15.620 that's somewhat stereotypical, 01:06:15.780 --> 01:06:16.040 but, 01:06:16.720 --> 01:06:17.060 I mean, 01:06:17.180 --> 01:06:18.700 it's probably statistically true, 01:06:18.760 --> 01:06:19.500 let's be honest. 01:06:20.400 --> 01:06:20.800 I'm just, 01:06:20.800 --> 01:06:21.500 I'm just saying, 01:06:21.800 --> 01:06:22.280 I mean, 01:06:22.420 --> 01:06:24.040 if you're into technology 01:06:24.040 --> 01:06:24.480 and stuff, 01:06:24.540 --> 01:06:25.460 you probably don't spend 01:06:25.460 --> 01:06:26.240 most of your time 01:06:26.240 --> 01:06:27.000 on the streets 01:06:27.000 --> 01:06:28.380 and you're probably 01:06:28.380 --> 01:06:29.660 not one who's going 01:06:29.660 --> 01:06:30.760 to want to fight people, 01:06:30.900 --> 01:06:31.660 so if you get thrown 01:06:31.660 --> 01:06:32.220 in prison, 01:06:32.780 --> 01:06:34.080 you got a bunch of, 01:06:34.420 --> 01:06:34.800 yeah, 01:06:34.920 --> 01:06:35.120 well, 01:06:35.120 --> 01:06:35.960 federal, 01:06:36.180 --> 01:06:36.320 yeah, 01:06:36.440 --> 01:06:37.060 but I'm talking about 01:06:37.060 --> 01:06:38.000 like a state prison 01:06:38.000 --> 01:06:39.100 for some local crime 01:06:39.100 --> 01:06:39.500 or something. 01:06:40.040 --> 01:06:40.620 If you get thrown 01:06:40.620 --> 01:06:41.200 into prison 01:06:41.200 --> 01:06:42.360 for something like this 01:06:42.360 --> 01:06:43.120 and you gotta, 01:06:43.120 --> 01:06:44.440 and you're in there 01:06:44.440 --> 01:06:44.460 and you're in there 01:06:44.460 --> 01:06:44.900 with like, 01:06:45.300 --> 01:06:46.040 with violent, 01:06:46.480 --> 01:06:47.660 violent criminals, 01:06:47.920 --> 01:06:48.120 you know, 01:06:48.240 --> 01:06:49.020 rapists and stuff 01:06:49.020 --> 01:06:49.660 like that, 01:06:50.260 --> 01:06:51.120 you know, 01:06:51.580 --> 01:06:53.260 the way you're gonna 01:06:53.260 --> 01:06:53.800 make friends 01:06:53.800 --> 01:06:54.440 with these guys 01:06:54.440 --> 01:06:55.640 is you're gonna have 01:06:55.640 --> 01:06:56.420 to just sell them 01:06:56.420 --> 01:06:57.360 information so that 01:06:57.360 --> 01:06:58.120 when they get out 01:06:58.120 --> 01:06:58.720 they can commit 01:06:58.720 --> 01:06:59.700 these type of crimes. 01:06:59.960 --> 01:07:00.300 Yeah, 01:07:00.520 --> 01:07:00.920 you know, 01:07:01.020 --> 01:07:02.020 and that's, 01:07:02.280 --> 01:07:02.940 I know you're saying 01:07:02.940 --> 01:07:03.500 this is a joke, 01:07:03.580 --> 01:07:04.440 but that's a damn shame 01:07:04.440 --> 01:07:05.420 that to mention us 01:07:05.420 --> 01:07:06.800 in the same category 01:07:06.800 --> 01:07:07.760 with pedophiles 01:07:07.760 --> 01:07:08.460 and murderers 01:07:08.460 --> 01:07:09.320 and stuff like that. 01:07:09.320 --> 01:07:13.100 that's just so wrong. 01:07:14.080 --> 01:07:15.820 And the sad part is 01:07:15.820 --> 01:07:17.280 that those people 01:07:17.280 --> 01:07:18.580 will probably end up 01:07:18.580 --> 01:07:19.260 getting out of jail 01:07:19.260 --> 01:07:20.060 before you will. 01:07:20.260 --> 01:07:20.460 Yeah, 01:07:20.540 --> 01:07:21.580 that's so wrong. 01:07:21.840 --> 01:07:22.260 That's just, 01:07:22.360 --> 01:07:24.360 that's just sad. 01:07:24.460 --> 01:07:25.180 That's just sad 01:07:25.180 --> 01:07:25.620 and pathetic. 01:07:26.920 --> 01:07:27.220 Yeah. 01:07:27.420 --> 01:07:27.640 Well, 01:07:27.700 --> 01:07:28.320 let's end the show 01:07:28.320 --> 01:07:29.080 on sad and pathetic, 01:07:29.180 --> 01:07:29.580 shall we? 01:07:29.880 --> 01:07:30.700 They're gonna survive 01:07:30.700 --> 01:07:31.260 in there. 01:07:31.460 --> 01:07:32.140 You're gonna have to, 01:07:32.140 --> 01:07:32.840 you're gonna have to 01:07:32.840 --> 01:07:33.440 give them something. 01:07:34.920 --> 01:07:35.480 Don't go, 01:07:35.560 --> 01:07:35.820 please, 01:07:35.940 --> 01:07:36.900 don't go any further. 01:07:37.060 --> 01:07:37.780 Please don't go 01:07:37.780 --> 01:07:39.000 any further with that. 01:07:40.300 --> 01:07:40.580 Oh, 01:07:40.900 --> 01:07:41.420 man. 01:07:41.560 --> 01:07:42.260 If you don't give it to them, 01:07:42.300 --> 01:07:42.900 they're gonna take it. 01:07:43.020 --> 01:07:43.220 Oh, 01:07:43.280 --> 01:07:43.440 no, 01:07:43.520 --> 01:07:43.760 stop, 01:07:43.880 --> 01:07:44.200 back up, 01:07:44.260 --> 01:07:44.640 back up. 01:07:45.280 --> 01:07:46.220 Go to my happy place, 01:07:46.280 --> 01:07:47.180 go to my happy place. 01:07:49.080 --> 01:07:50.600 I got a couple quick links 01:07:50.600 --> 01:07:51.420 I want to drop here 01:07:51.420 --> 01:07:52.180 just because I've had them 01:07:52.180 --> 01:07:52.700 in the show notes 01:07:52.700 --> 01:07:53.280 for a while 01:07:53.280 --> 01:07:54.700 because I mentioned earlier 01:07:54.700 --> 01:07:55.160 the FCC, 01:07:55.220 --> 01:07:56.100 I mentioned a little thing 01:07:56.100 --> 01:07:57.260 about telling us 01:07:57.260 --> 01:07:58.200 what we can and can't say 01:07:58.200 --> 01:07:59.060 on the airwaves 01:07:59.060 --> 01:08:00.140 and how they've got control 01:08:00.140 --> 01:08:01.020 and ban this 01:08:01.020 --> 01:08:01.720 and ban that 01:08:01.720 --> 01:08:02.400 and free speech 01:08:02.400 --> 01:08:03.020 and yada yada. 01:08:03.340 --> 01:08:04.260 There's a couple links here 01:08:04.260 --> 01:08:05.520 that I've been meaning to mention. 01:08:06.120 --> 01:08:06.780 The FCC, 01:08:07.060 --> 01:08:07.280 right. 01:08:08.020 --> 01:08:08.940 There's a site to fight 01:08:08.940 --> 01:08:09.500 the FCC 01:08:09.500 --> 01:08:10.120 some, 01:08:10.260 --> 01:08:10.560 you know, 01:08:10.680 --> 01:08:11.480 somewhat for whatever 01:08:11.480 --> 01:08:11.820 that means. 01:08:11.920 --> 01:08:12.220 It's called 01:08:12.220 --> 01:08:15.080 saveradionow.org 01:08:15.080 --> 01:08:18.300 saveradionow.org 01:08:18.300 --> 01:08:20.340 personally, 01:08:20.520 --> 01:08:20.740 again, 01:08:20.800 --> 01:08:21.000 I mean, 01:08:21.000 --> 01:08:21.740 I've said this before, 01:08:21.740 --> 01:08:23.080 I prefer to stay on 01:08:23.080 --> 01:08:23.800 internet radio, 01:08:24.160 --> 01:08:24.900 fuck the FCC, 01:08:26.020 --> 01:08:26.240 you know, 01:08:26.280 --> 01:08:26.980 if they want to stop me 01:08:26.980 --> 01:08:27.600 from saying fuck, 01:08:27.680 --> 01:08:27.840 fuck, 01:08:27.920 --> 01:08:28.180 fuckity, 01:08:28.300 --> 01:08:28.480 fuck, 01:08:28.560 --> 01:08:28.780 fuck, 01:08:28.880 --> 01:08:30.160 bring your fight to me, 01:08:30.280 --> 01:08:30.560 bitches. 01:08:30.680 --> 01:08:31.440 I'm right here. 01:08:32.200 --> 01:08:33.260 Bring that shit to me. 01:08:33.740 --> 01:08:34.600 I don't have to play 01:08:34.600 --> 01:08:35.420 your game anymore. 01:08:35.980 --> 01:08:37.180 We have the internet. 01:08:37.580 --> 01:08:38.460 We beat you. 01:08:38.900 --> 01:08:39.800 We have a way 01:08:39.800 --> 01:08:40.660 around your system. 01:08:41.040 --> 01:08:41.740 Fuck you. 01:08:42.900 --> 01:08:43.600 Just thought I'd get 01:08:43.600 --> 01:08:44.120 that out there. 01:08:44.120 --> 01:08:44.920 That's going to get bleeped 01:08:44.920 --> 01:08:45.960 off in the radio version. 01:08:48.960 --> 01:08:50.640 And that site 01:08:50.640 --> 01:08:51.580 actually is the main, 01:08:51.680 --> 01:08:52.560 but it'll link to 01:08:52.560 --> 01:08:53.120 something called 01:08:53.120 --> 01:08:54.380 the FCC quiz. 01:08:55.700 --> 01:08:56.740 And it links off 01:08:56.740 --> 01:08:57.620 of Save Radio Now, 01:08:57.740 --> 01:08:58.840 but the direct link 01:08:58.840 --> 01:08:59.080 to it, 01:08:59.100 --> 01:08:59.920 if you want to go to it, 01:08:59.960 --> 01:09:02.980 is jacobsmedia.com, 01:09:03.380 --> 01:09:05.580 J-A-C-O-B-S-M-E-D-I-A 01:09:05.580 --> 01:09:06.660 dot com slash 01:09:06.660 --> 01:09:09.160 iqtest.htm. 01:09:09.660 --> 01:09:10.400 Or again, 01:09:10.520 --> 01:09:10.740 go to 01:09:10.740 --> 01:09:11.720 saveradionow.org 01:09:11.720 --> 01:09:12.240 and just click 01:09:12.240 --> 01:09:12.760 through to it. 01:09:12.780 --> 01:09:13.500 I think the link 01:09:13.500 --> 01:09:14.080 is still there. 01:09:14.780 --> 01:09:15.480 And basically, 01:09:15.640 --> 01:09:16.140 it's a quiz 01:09:16.140 --> 01:09:16.920 that says, 01:09:16.980 --> 01:09:17.320 it gives you 01:09:17.320 --> 01:09:17.940 some scenarios 01:09:17.940 --> 01:09:18.660 and says, 01:09:18.840 --> 01:09:20.140 what can 01:09:20.140 --> 01:09:21.060 and can't they do. 01:09:21.420 --> 01:09:21.880 And it gives you 01:09:21.880 --> 01:09:22.460 some scenario. 01:09:22.600 --> 01:09:23.560 What if you say this? 01:09:23.600 --> 01:09:24.360 What if you're having 01:09:24.360 --> 01:09:26.680 a call-in prize show 01:09:26.680 --> 01:09:27.360 and you tell somebody 01:09:27.360 --> 01:09:27.900 they won $100 01:09:27.900 --> 01:09:28.480 and they say, 01:09:28.600 --> 01:09:29.280 holy shit, 01:09:29.320 --> 01:09:29.900 I won $100? 01:09:30.760 --> 01:09:31.560 Can you get in trouble 01:09:31.560 --> 01:09:32.000 for that? 01:09:32.260 --> 01:09:33.160 And it has a bunch 01:09:33.160 --> 01:09:33.720 of scenarios 01:09:33.720 --> 01:09:34.900 of things like that. 01:09:35.300 --> 01:09:37.180 And the results 01:09:37.180 --> 01:09:38.500 are kind of interesting. 01:09:39.720 --> 01:09:40.640 Very interesting. 01:09:41.560 --> 01:09:41.960 So, 01:09:42.420 --> 01:09:43.280 that's it 01:09:43.280 --> 01:09:44.340 for the show 01:09:44.340 --> 01:09:45.040 this week. 01:09:46.500 --> 01:09:47.260 Shout-outs. 01:09:47.420 --> 01:09:47.980 I told you 01:09:47.980 --> 01:09:48.660 you could go first, 01:09:48.740 --> 01:09:49.400 so go ahead. 01:09:50.720 --> 01:09:51.080 Okay, 01:09:51.240 --> 01:09:51.660 I want to give 01:09:51.660 --> 01:09:52.700 my shout-outs first 01:09:52.700 --> 01:09:53.760 to my main dog, 01:09:54.480 --> 01:09:55.260 Dual Parallel. 01:09:55.340 --> 01:09:56.000 I can't believe 01:09:56.000 --> 01:09:56.840 you were dissing him 01:09:56.840 --> 01:09:57.960 earlier before the show. 01:09:58.220 --> 01:09:59.500 I was not. 01:10:00.360 --> 01:10:01.720 I was on the phone 01:10:01.720 --> 01:10:02.920 with my home dog. 01:10:04.560 --> 01:10:05.540 Whatever, man. 01:10:06.020 --> 01:10:06.780 I heard you saying 01:10:06.780 --> 01:10:07.820 some foul stuff 01:10:07.820 --> 01:10:08.460 about Dual. 01:10:08.740 --> 01:10:08.960 Yeah, 01:10:09.020 --> 01:10:09.620 because we roll 01:10:09.620 --> 01:10:10.320 like that, though. 01:10:10.320 --> 01:10:13.240 Oh, God, 01:10:13.300 --> 01:10:14.180 you did not bark. 01:10:14.280 --> 01:10:14.980 Yes, I did. 01:10:16.340 --> 01:10:17.560 That's my dog, 01:10:17.840 --> 01:10:18.380 because we can 01:10:18.380 --> 01:10:19.320 roll like that. 01:10:20.780 --> 01:10:21.180 And, 01:10:21.380 --> 01:10:22.300 I want to give 01:10:22.300 --> 01:10:22.960 my other shout-outs 01:10:22.960 --> 01:10:23.700 out to Doug, 01:10:24.080 --> 01:10:24.580 Decoder, 01:10:24.820 --> 01:10:25.380 and Not Theory. 01:10:25.840 --> 01:10:26.480 My homeboys 01:10:26.480 --> 01:10:27.000 right there. 01:10:28.280 --> 01:10:28.680 Gotcha. 01:10:28.680 --> 01:10:29.300 Yeah, 01:10:29.420 --> 01:10:31.300 that's all the 01:10:31.300 --> 01:10:31.920 shout-outs for this 01:10:31.920 --> 01:10:32.180 week. 01:10:32.420 --> 01:10:33.060 What about you? 01:10:33.960 --> 01:10:34.400 Well, 01:10:34.540 --> 01:10:35.040 the same. 01:10:35.300 --> 01:10:35.660 Of course, 01:10:35.720 --> 01:10:36.440 I backed those up 01:10:36.440 --> 01:10:37.020 completely. 01:10:37.480 --> 01:10:39.280 All my digital dogs. 01:10:39.980 --> 01:10:40.240 And, 01:10:40.280 --> 01:10:41.220 just a funny little 01:10:41.220 --> 01:10:41.880 site I found 01:10:41.880 --> 01:10:42.880 made me laugh. 01:10:42.960 --> 01:10:43.560 I give shout-outs 01:10:43.560 --> 01:10:46.320 to illwillpress.com. 01:10:46.780 --> 01:10:47.660 They have a cartoon 01:10:47.660 --> 01:10:48.860 with Foamy 01:10:48.860 --> 01:10:50.040 as the main character, 01:10:50.200 --> 01:10:51.060 and it's hilarious. 01:10:51.680 --> 01:10:53.440 Go to illwillpress.com. 01:10:53.520 --> 01:10:54.060 You'll be laughing 01:10:54.060 --> 01:10:54.580 for a while 01:10:54.580 --> 01:10:55.160 from that one. 01:10:55.860 --> 01:10:56.820 Sarcastic little squirrel 01:10:56.820 --> 01:10:58.100 that kind of reminds me 01:10:58.100 --> 01:10:58.340 of me, 01:10:58.440 --> 01:10:58.660 I guess, 01:10:58.720 --> 01:10:59.000 in a way. 01:10:59.200 --> 01:10:59.340 So, 01:11:00.100 --> 01:11:01.040 shout-outs to them. 01:11:01.800 --> 01:11:02.680 A reminder, 01:11:03.380 --> 01:11:04.220 this Friday, 01:11:04.660 --> 01:11:05.760 2600 meetings. 01:11:05.900 --> 01:11:06.520 Go to your local 01:11:06.520 --> 01:11:07.680 2600 meeting, 01:11:08.260 --> 01:11:09.240 DEFCON meeting, 01:11:10.000 --> 01:11:10.920 whatever you call 01:11:10.920 --> 01:11:11.840 your hackers meeting, 01:11:11.940 --> 01:11:12.560 whatever it happens 01:11:12.560 --> 01:11:12.860 to be, 01:11:12.940 --> 01:11:13.940 go to it this Friday, 01:11:14.020 --> 01:11:14.960 first Friday of the month. 01:11:15.800 --> 01:11:16.240 So, 01:11:16.280 --> 01:11:16.980 your October meeting 01:11:16.980 --> 01:11:18.120 is coming up this week. 01:11:19.960 --> 01:11:20.900 Email us for 01:11:20.900 --> 01:11:21.340 feedback, 01:11:21.680 --> 01:11:22.580 radio at 01:11:22.580 --> 01:11:24.260 binrev.com. 01:11:24.340 --> 01:11:24.880 If you want to 01:11:24.880 --> 01:11:25.720 tell us to 01:11:25.720 --> 01:11:28.600 whatever. 01:11:29.220 --> 01:11:29.620 Anyway, 01:11:29.860 --> 01:11:30.920 feedback of any kind, 01:11:31.020 --> 01:11:31.680 send it to radio 01:11:31.680 --> 01:11:33.160 at binrev.com. 01:11:33.700 --> 01:11:34.980 Our closing music 01:11:34.980 --> 01:11:36.520 this week 01:11:36.520 --> 01:11:37.220 is a track called 01:11:37.220 --> 01:11:37.940 Dirtbag 01:11:37.940 --> 01:11:39.140 in the Vacuum 01:11:39.140 --> 01:11:39.860 Remix. 01:11:39.980 --> 01:11:40.680 It's a song 01:11:40.680 --> 01:11:41.600 from Brad Sucks 01:11:41.600 --> 01:11:42.520 that was 01:11:42.520 --> 01:11:43.480 remixed 01:11:43.480 --> 01:11:44.580 by Heuristics, 01:11:44.920 --> 01:11:45.200 Inc. 01:11:46.260 --> 01:11:47.060 Kind of a 01:11:47.060 --> 01:11:47.800 different spin 01:11:47.800 --> 01:11:49.000 on a song 01:11:49.000 --> 01:11:49.420 of his. 01:11:50.160 --> 01:11:50.480 And, 01:11:50.580 --> 01:11:51.540 I like it a lot, 01:11:51.660 --> 01:11:52.140 so we're going to 01:11:52.140 --> 01:11:52.780 close with that. 01:11:53.500 --> 01:11:53.940 And, 01:11:54.080 --> 01:11:55.000 to the double deuce, 01:11:55.720 --> 01:11:57.660 thank you for being 01:11:57.660 --> 01:11:58.240 on the show. 01:11:58.900 --> 01:11:59.740 As always, 01:11:59.860 --> 01:12:00.500 it was fun. 01:12:01.220 --> 01:12:02.740 Very off the cuff 01:12:02.740 --> 01:12:03.580 and stuff that 01:12:03.580 --> 01:12:04.260 definitely was 01:12:04.260 --> 01:12:05.100 unscripted. 01:12:06.640 --> 01:12:07.540 That's definitely 01:12:07.540 --> 01:12:07.940 true. 01:12:08.120 --> 01:12:09.340 As usual, 01:12:09.520 --> 01:12:10.080 and you know what? 01:12:10.620 --> 01:12:11.500 Sometimes it's good 01:12:11.500 --> 01:12:11.840 radio, 01:12:11.960 --> 01:12:12.780 sometimes it's bad 01:12:12.780 --> 01:12:13.080 radio, 01:12:13.200 --> 01:12:13.420 but, 01:12:13.880 --> 01:12:14.580 either way, 01:12:14.820 --> 01:12:15.420 we'll try to 01:12:15.420 --> 01:12:16.580 do it again next week. 01:12:16.580 --> 01:12:18.680 Same hack time. 01:12:19.280 --> 01:12:21.580 Same hack channel. 01:12:22.720 --> 01:12:23.440 Peace. 01:12:23.440 --> 01:12:37.700 The End 01:12:37.700 --> 01:13:07.680 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