WEBVTT

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This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers

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I see in binary, I speak source code

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Step on my toes, I'll post a million jpegs of you and a fag pose

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In your digital stance, getting firewalled ho

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Cause I'm riding the net in my six-fold

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I was a dick with my 56

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Now with my cable, I'm able to get that stable

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On the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo

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On the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm a hero

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In a flash, I'll screw you on burning dream packs

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You need some ISO? Let me through my hard drive rifle

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Our exchange you could never stifle

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In a digital hug, you just caught the love bug

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I bootlegged your CD, I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z

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To CG, it's all gonna be free

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Whether we take it by force or we take it nicely

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You feel that rattle in your bones?

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When I tell you we just hacked out Jones

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And NASDAQ leaves you flat on your back

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Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack

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Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack

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This is dedicated to the hackers and the criminals

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Serial codes, source codes, ISOs, RAMs, SIPs, SIPs

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This is dedicated to the hackers and the crack

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Denny Crane

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No, actually this is Stank Dog

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And you are listening to Binary Revolution Radio

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Episode 6 to the 6

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That's 66 for those of you who don't speak

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Whatever language it is I'm speaking

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Luckily for you all, my co-host does speak that language

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The Deuce to the Deuce 5

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That's right

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2-2-2-5

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Who's near the 6-2-6

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Oh man

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And let's see

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This is October 12, 2004

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Like I said, episode 66

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And we've got a lot, a lot

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Like a whole lot of email this week

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So let's not mess around

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Let's just jump right into it

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Into the housekeeping

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I actually got a couple little housekeeping things to talk about

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I was going to say

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What the hell are you talking about, Stank?

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Well, I put the housekeeping includes email

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And some other topics

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So let's get these other things over with

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First of all

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Distributed.net team

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I just go check on it once in a while

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And it's been a little while since I've looked

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And I just went back and checked

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And we are blowing up the distributed.net charts

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We're climbing

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We're almost in on the top 100

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I think we're at like 112, 111 right now

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And the numbers that we're putting up

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Were very, very, very possible

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And likely

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To break into the top 100 sometime soon

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Maybe by the end of the year for sure

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If we keep going with what we're doing now

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Wow

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And actually the numbers that we're putting up

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When you look at them on a day-to-day basis

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What we're putting up now

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Is we're actually up there with the top 50

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But we kind of got a late jump

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And as people started joining on

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So we kind of fell behind

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And now we're catching back up

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But we're actually putting up numbers

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On par with the top 50 teams

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So

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Really, quite frankly

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It's all Bob Nino

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And Pixel Fiend

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Logan 5

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Anybody that's got a Mac

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Shooting right up to the top of our list

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The Macs are just absolute number crunchers

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There's no debating it

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There's no doubt about it

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The Macs are kicking ass

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Wow

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Don't you agree with how much Macs kick ass?

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Um

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Yeah

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Yeah

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And you know what

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I'm honestly

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I'm kind of tempted

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Like the Mac stores

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I don't know if you

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In your area, Lucky

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But like here they

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Supposedly they encourage you

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To go in the store

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And play with the machines

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They want you

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And allow you to play

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With the boxes they have on display

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To

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I guess hopefully you'll fall in love with it

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And buy some of the things

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So if they encourage it

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I'm thinking of going in there

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With a USB key

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And dropping this

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Distributed client on those things

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And let them work

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They've got internet connection

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They're on display

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They welcome you using them

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Interesting

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You know

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I was talking to Kirst earlier

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I think he was getting a job

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Or something

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At one of these stores

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Maybe I'll have him run one

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Oh hell yeah

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On all the computers in there

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Hell yeah

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Put it on the cash register

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If you can

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Sorry

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We are unable

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To process your credit card

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Right now

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Because the bandwidth

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Is being used

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Actually it doesn't use bandwidth

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But it'll use the CPU

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But anyway

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Yeah

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So yeah

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I might just do that

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I got some other

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Things in store

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For the Mac store anyway

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Got some other ideas

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In store for the Mac store anyway

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Some Hack TV segments

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I'm thinking about

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So actually you know what

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Maybe we should do that

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While we're in Nashville

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Mac TV

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Yeah Mac TV

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Shut up

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Maybe we should do that

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While we're in Nashville

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So we don't get

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Cause any trouble

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You know

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Where we live

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Alright anyway

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Another thing I wanted to bring up

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And you know what

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I'm kind of bummed about this

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I think this is funny in a way

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But I'm also kind of pissed in a way

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I just found this out

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Just before

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I got on the phone with Lucky

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Or actually right when

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We got on the phone

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I tried to send

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The show notes

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To Lucky

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Through a Gmail account

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And

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I thought

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You tried to send them

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Through a Hotmail account

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Well I did that

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I tried to send them

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Through Hotmail

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Hotmail is the suck sore

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So I went over to Gmail

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But the thing is

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On my Gmail account

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I have mentioned before

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I think it was back

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I think Acidus

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Was on the show with me

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Two or three

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Three or four episodes ago

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When we talked about Gmail

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And they were having

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A phishing problem

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There was a really

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Really well done

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Phishing mail

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Purporting to be

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From Gmail staff

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Asking people

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For their usernames

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Passwords

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And whatever information

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And we remarked

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About how realistic

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It works

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And how some of the

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Flaws

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And the way

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They'd set it up

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And I mentioned

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That I had a couple

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Accounts

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A couple of accounts

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That could be interpreted

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As phishing accounts

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They were really

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To me

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They were funny

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And I thought

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It was just kind of funny

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To send somebody

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An email

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From these accounts

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Just to freak them out

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I would never

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Use them for phishing

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And I have never

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Used them for phishing

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But I mentioned it

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On the show

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And I even kind of

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Mentioned

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You know

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Some of the things

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That they could do

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To fix some of these things

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I didn't specifically

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Give them out

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Well apparently

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Somebody at Google

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Listens to the show

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Because both of my

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Accounts

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Were locked

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They froze

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Two of my accounts

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The two accounts

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That I was

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Specifically talking about

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They did not close up

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My stankdog

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At gmail.com account

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But they locked up

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These other two accounts

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Well they will now

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Well yeah

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They probably will now

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Me and my big mouth

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No I'll have to go back

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And like

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Mix that out

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Or something like that

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I'll put a

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I'll put a censored

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Beep over it

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Or something

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Beep

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At gmail.beep

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Well look

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I'll tell you this

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I mean I've

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I've said some

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Pretty good things

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About gmail

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On the show

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Some bad things

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Now mostly good things

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It's okay

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If I find out

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Listen

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By the next episode

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If they lock out

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My stankdog

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At gmail.com account

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I'll be pissed

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And I will go

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Slap off

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On somebody

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I don't

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Where is Google

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Are they in Redmond

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Where the hell

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Is Google located

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I will

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I'm going to

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Put my Google foot

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In somebody's Google ass

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If they block my account

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Actually I'm not sure

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Where Google is

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I don't know either

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That's

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You know what

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Let's put that

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To the audience

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Somebody can email us

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And let us know

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Where Google is located

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I'm sure it's

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Probably easy to find

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Yeah

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Who is google.com

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Yeah

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Well

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You never know

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They might be

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Through an agency

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Of some kind

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Oh

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But anyway

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That's all I had

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For that kind of topics

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Now let me

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Let me play

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The email theme music

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Do we have

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I think that's

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That's all right

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That's all

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Yeah

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So let me play

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The email theme music

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And then we'll do

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Some email

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All right

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And the first email

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Is from someone

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Boy we got a lot of email

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This week

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From someone

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Who I'm going to

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Keep anonymous

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And we always

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Start off with this

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Email quite a bit

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It says

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In the beginning

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Of your radio talk show

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In season one

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There is a song

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That starts out going

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I see binary

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I speak source code

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Oh my god

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Really

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Are you serious

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Where did you get

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That song

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Stink

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Well actually

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This is not

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This is actually

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A legitimate question

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He actually

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He or she

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This person says

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I checked the website

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By Zerl

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To download it

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But it's not

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The same opening theme

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Do you know

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Where I could

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Download that song

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It's really good

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And I'd like to

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Get a copy of it

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If possible

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Now this isn't

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Exactly like

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The normal one

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That we get

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And we always

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Make a joke

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Zerl.com

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Zerl.com

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Shut the fuck up

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It's Zerl.com

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But this guy

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Actually

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This person

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I keep saying guy

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I don't know

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If it's a guy

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Or a girl

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But this person

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Actually saw

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Zerl.com

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Linked and went there

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And I guess

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Couldn't find it

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After he got to the site

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Well it's on the second page

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Isn't it

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Actually he just

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Recently redesigned

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The site

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Like within the past

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Month or two

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So yeah

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He's kind of

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Shook it up a little bit

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It went down

09:53.180 --> 09:54.260
For a little while there

09:54.260 --> 09:55.860
So he brought it back up

09:55.860 --> 09:56.720
With kind of a new look

09:56.720 --> 09:57.580
So it's a little bit

09:57.580 --> 09:59.320
Trickier to find

09:59.320 --> 09:59.960
But I mean

09:59.960 --> 10:00.380
Look around

10:00.380 --> 10:01.020
It's there

10:01.020 --> 10:02.660
It is definitely there

10:02.660 --> 10:03.620
And there's two versions

10:03.620 --> 10:04.380
Of it available

10:04.380 --> 10:05.220
And we've played both

10:05.220 --> 10:05.760
On the show

10:05.760 --> 10:06.360
In the past

10:06.360 --> 10:08.260
There's the original version

10:08.260 --> 10:08.720
Which is

10:08.720 --> 10:10.020
What we

10:10.020 --> 10:10.840
Our opening theme

10:10.840 --> 10:11.720
Is based off of

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And then there's

10:12.380 --> 10:13.240
The Matrix remix

10:13.240 --> 10:14.100
And we've used that

10:14.100 --> 10:15.120
To close out the show

10:15.120 --> 10:15.460
Before

10:15.460 --> 10:16.380
At least once

10:16.380 --> 10:18.360
So there are two versions

10:18.360 --> 10:19.400
Of it there

10:19.400 --> 10:19.920
So

10:19.920 --> 10:20.900
But I'm not quite sure

10:20.900 --> 10:22.020
What you mean by

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It's not the same

10:23.720 --> 10:24.260
As the one we

10:24.260 --> 10:25.340
Opened the show with

10:25.340 --> 10:25.820
I mean that

10:25.820 --> 10:26.860
That is the song

10:26.860 --> 10:27.480
We opened the show

10:27.480 --> 10:28.540
With the original version

10:28.540 --> 10:29.660
Yeah

10:29.660 --> 10:30.500
The only other thing

10:30.500 --> 10:30.940
I'm thinking

10:30.940 --> 10:31.420
Is that

10:31.420 --> 10:32.600
I did

10:32.600 --> 10:33.520
Do a little

10:33.520 --> 10:34.360
Mix

10:34.360 --> 10:35.200
A little bit

10:35.200 --> 10:35.760
Huh?

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You cut it up

10:36.780 --> 10:37.280
A little bit

10:37.280 --> 10:37.500
Yeah

10:37.500 --> 10:38.700
I cut it up

10:38.700 --> 10:39.240
Remixed it

10:39.240 --> 10:40.120
Whatever you want to call it

10:40.120 --> 10:41.000
I chopped it

10:41.000 --> 10:42.380
To make it a little bit shorter

10:42.380 --> 10:43.240
Because I don't want to

10:43.240 --> 10:43.840
Open the show

10:43.840 --> 10:45.080
With a five minute song

10:45.080 --> 10:46.000
Every week

10:46.000 --> 10:46.920
Well I think

10:46.920 --> 10:48.080
I think this person

10:48.080 --> 10:48.940
Probably just

10:48.940 --> 10:51.120
Found the Matrix version

10:51.120 --> 10:52.280
And can't find the original

10:52.280 --> 10:53.200
Yeah

10:53.200 --> 10:54.340
Keep looking around there

10:54.340 --> 10:55.520
And it should be there

10:55.520 --> 10:58.920
And I will go verify it myself

10:58.920 --> 10:59.560
Someday

10:59.560 --> 11:00.760
And if I find it's not there

11:00.760 --> 11:01.140
Myself

11:01.140 --> 11:02.240
I'll put it somewhere

11:02.240 --> 11:04.000
I'll see what the story is

11:04.000 --> 11:04.640
But I'm almost

11:04.640 --> 11:06.560
I'm 99.9% sure

11:06.560 --> 11:07.340
That it's there

11:07.340 --> 11:08.480
So

11:08.480 --> 11:10.040
I mean

11:10.040 --> 11:11.180
Again

11:11.180 --> 11:12.400
I'm sure he doesn't want

11:12.400 --> 11:13.240
My one minute

11:13.240 --> 11:14.840
For opening

11:14.840 --> 11:15.980
One minute and ten seconds

11:15.980 --> 11:16.620
Or whatever it is

11:16.620 --> 11:17.460
Opening version

11:17.460 --> 11:19.020
I mean I chopped

11:19.020 --> 11:20.320
Because I like the end verse

11:20.320 --> 11:21.040
I like the opening

11:21.040 --> 11:21.520
And closing

11:21.520 --> 11:22.420
I kind of

11:22.420 --> 11:23.900
Frankenstein my own version

11:23.900 --> 11:24.240
Together

11:24.240 --> 11:24.620
And I don't

11:24.620 --> 11:25.440
I'm not going to

11:25.440 --> 11:26.420
Put that up for download

11:26.420 --> 11:27.460
I'm not going to

11:27.460 --> 11:28.440
Butcher the song

11:28.440 --> 11:29.360
The song is awesome

11:29.360 --> 11:30.880
As it is the full version

11:30.880 --> 11:31.280
So

11:31.280 --> 11:32.160
Yeah go download

11:32.160 --> 11:32.720
Cool Edit

11:32.720 --> 11:33.540
If you want to do that

11:33.540 --> 11:33.900
Yeah

11:33.900 --> 11:34.280
Yeah

11:34.280 --> 11:35.700
Make your own remix of it

11:35.700 --> 11:36.480
Something like that

11:36.480 --> 11:38.360
So yeah

11:38.360 --> 11:39.780
Just go look again

11:39.780 --> 11:40.540
I'm pretty sure

11:40.540 --> 11:41.280
That it's there

11:41.280 --> 11:41.900
And if

11:41.900 --> 11:43.160
Like I said

11:43.160 --> 11:43.840
If I find out

11:43.840 --> 11:44.420
That it's not

11:44.420 --> 11:45.160
I will put it

11:45.160 --> 11:46.240
Somewhere to download

11:46.240 --> 11:47.340
Not a problem

11:47.340 --> 11:48.060
I'm sure he's

11:48.060 --> 11:49.100
Totally cool with that

11:49.100 --> 11:50.980
Okay

11:50.980 --> 11:51.620
So

11:51.620 --> 11:55.320
Email number two

11:55.320 --> 11:56.260
Comes from

11:56.260 --> 11:56.980
Ponyboy

11:56.980 --> 11:58.420
Oh yeah

11:58.420 --> 11:59.540
Who says

11:59.540 --> 12:01.320
Stankdog

12:01.320 --> 12:02.360
I recently downloaded

12:02.360 --> 12:03.500
My first episode

12:03.500 --> 12:04.720
Of BinRev Radio

12:04.720 --> 12:05.980
Episode 60

12:05.980 --> 12:06.960
Nice one by the way

12:06.960 --> 12:08.000
And liked it

12:08.000 --> 12:08.400
So I thought

12:08.400 --> 12:09.580
I'd check out the mag

12:09.580 --> 12:10.880
But I don't have

12:10.880 --> 12:11.720
A credit card

12:11.720 --> 12:12.320
I was wondering

12:12.320 --> 12:13.240
If there'd be

12:13.240 --> 12:14.720
Any other possible ways

12:14.720 --> 12:15.480
I could get you guys

12:15.480 --> 12:15.840
The money

12:15.840 --> 12:16.420
I was thinking

12:16.420 --> 12:16.900
Perhaps

12:16.900 --> 12:17.960
A money order

12:17.960 --> 12:18.700
If that's okay

12:18.700 --> 12:19.200
With you

12:19.200 --> 12:21.360
Okay

12:21.360 --> 12:22.620
Unfortunately

12:22.620 --> 12:23.600
We can't take money

12:23.600 --> 12:24.540
Orders for the magazine

12:24.540 --> 12:25.620
It's just

12:25.620 --> 12:27.320
Too much of a hassle

12:27.320 --> 12:28.060
Quite honestly

12:28.060 --> 12:29.180
I'm not going to

12:29.180 --> 12:29.920
Sugarcoat it

12:29.920 --> 12:30.980
It's just too much

12:30.980 --> 12:31.800
Of a pain in the ass

12:31.800 --> 12:33.240
For me to deal with

12:33.240 --> 12:34.220
What are you talking

12:34.220 --> 12:34.760
About dude

12:34.760 --> 12:35.360
Have the money

12:35.360 --> 12:36.200
Orders sent to me

12:36.200 --> 12:37.060
I'll fucking cash

12:37.060 --> 12:37.700
And I'll send you

12:37.700 --> 12:38.220
The cash

12:38.220 --> 12:40.960
If you want to

12:40.960 --> 12:42.260
Take that on

12:42.260 --> 12:43.260
I will take that

12:43.260 --> 12:44.180
Responsibility

12:44.180 --> 12:45.140
Because the other thing

12:45.140 --> 12:46.440
Is I also have

12:46.440 --> 12:46.920
An announcement

12:46.920 --> 12:48.040
Another unfortunate

12:48.040 --> 12:48.660
Announcement

12:48.660 --> 12:49.220
Is that

12:49.220 --> 12:50.600
We have

12:50.600 --> 12:51.420
In the past

12:51.420 --> 12:51.880
What we've done

12:51.880 --> 12:52.400
Is allow them

12:52.400 --> 12:53.240
To send cash

12:53.240 --> 12:54.220
To the PO box

12:54.220 --> 12:55.600
The RFA PO box

12:55.600 --> 12:56.680
And that was up

12:56.680 --> 12:57.380
On the web pages

12:57.380 --> 12:58.060
And unfortunately

12:58.060 --> 12:58.580
We're not going to

12:58.580 --> 12:59.300
Be able to do that

12:59.300 --> 13:00.360
Any longer either

13:00.360 --> 13:01.320
That's something

13:01.320 --> 13:02.120
That Dual Parallel

13:02.120 --> 13:02.920
Had taken care of

13:02.920 --> 13:03.620
In the past

13:03.620 --> 13:05.040
And he's not going

13:05.040 --> 13:05.880
To be able to do that

13:05.880 --> 13:07.240
At least for the back issues

13:07.240 --> 13:08.060
He's got the current

13:08.060 --> 13:08.920
Issues available

13:08.920 --> 13:10.600
But the back issues

13:10.600 --> 13:11.340
We're not going to be able

13:11.340 --> 13:12.260
To get those by cash

13:12.260 --> 13:13.120
The only way you're going

13:13.120 --> 13:13.620
To be able to get

13:13.620 --> 13:14.340
Those back issues

13:14.340 --> 13:15.140
From now on

13:15.140 --> 13:16.400
Is through the website

13:16.400 --> 13:17.240
Through PayPal

13:17.240 --> 13:18.440
Unless

13:18.440 --> 13:20.800
Our co-host here

13:20.800 --> 13:21.640
Lucky to do vibe

13:21.640 --> 13:22.260
Is volunteering

13:22.260 --> 13:23.300
Something impromptu

13:23.300 --> 13:23.940
Here that I wasn't

13:23.940 --> 13:24.660
Prepared for

13:24.660 --> 13:25.400
Yeah man

13:25.400 --> 13:26.920
I can PayPal you

13:26.920 --> 13:27.460
The cash

13:27.460 --> 13:28.620
If someone sends me

13:28.620 --> 13:29.220
A money order

13:29.220 --> 13:30.640
Or if you want

13:30.640 --> 13:31.560
To send me the issues

13:31.560 --> 13:32.480
And then I'll just

13:32.480 --> 13:33.120
Ship them out

13:33.120 --> 13:33.980
The same day

13:33.980 --> 13:35.440
That's fine

13:35.440 --> 13:36.540
I would prefer

13:36.540 --> 13:38.340
If our listeners

13:38.340 --> 13:39.120
Are going to make

13:39.120 --> 13:39.700
A money order

13:39.700 --> 13:40.740
I would prefer

13:40.740 --> 13:41.660
That they use

13:41.660 --> 13:43.240
A US postal money order

13:43.240 --> 13:45.120
So I can cash it

13:45.120 --> 13:45.840
The same day

13:45.840 --> 13:46.380
I pick it up

13:46.380 --> 13:47.160
At the P.O. Box

13:47.160 --> 13:49.640
Okay so

13:49.640 --> 13:50.780
You guys heard that

13:50.780 --> 13:51.380
If you're interested

13:51.380 --> 13:51.780
In that

13:51.780 --> 13:53.560
We will look into that

13:53.560 --> 13:54.900
And I will update

13:54.900 --> 13:55.820
The web pages

13:55.820 --> 13:56.820
Accordingly

13:56.820 --> 13:57.680
Yeah

13:57.680 --> 13:58.360
With the new

13:58.360 --> 13:59.040
P.O. Box

13:59.040 --> 14:00.040
1-1-1-1

14:00.040 --> 14:00.940
Is that what it's going to be?

14:01.000 --> 14:01.600
It's going to be

14:01.600 --> 14:02.200
P.O. Box

14:02.200 --> 14:03.900
11-11-11-Gfloss

14:03.900 --> 14:04.200
D.-A.

14:04.380 --> 14:04.820
CALIFORNIA

14:04.820 --> 14:05.980
91743

14:05.980 --> 14:07.320
Make your money

14:07.320 --> 14:07.820
Order's out

14:07.820 --> 14:08.380
To cash

14:08.380 --> 14:08.940
Or just leave

14:08.940 --> 14:09.580
Pay to the order

14:09.580 --> 14:10.040
Blank

14:10.040 --> 14:14.060
And if you want

14:14.060 --> 14:14.860
To send checks

14:14.860 --> 14:16.360
I only accept

14:16.360 --> 14:17.400
Certain types of checks

14:17.400 --> 14:17.800
You'd have to

14:17.800 --> 14:18.860
Check me before that

14:18.860 --> 14:20.220
Okay

14:20.220 --> 14:21.380
Very cool offer

14:21.380 --> 14:22.160
Thank you very much

14:22.160 --> 14:22.560
For that

14:22.560 --> 14:23.200
Yeah

14:23.200 --> 14:24.080
Wasn't prepared

14:24.080 --> 14:24.440
For that

14:24.440 --> 14:24.940
But that would

14:24.940 --> 14:25.360
Help out

14:25.360 --> 14:26.560
It's just too much

14:26.560 --> 14:26.980
Of a hassle

14:26.980 --> 14:27.460
For me

14:27.460 --> 14:28.380
To deal with it

14:28.380 --> 14:29.720
So it's good

14:29.720 --> 14:30.500
to have another option

14:30.500 --> 14:31.300
because I do know

14:31.300 --> 14:32.940
I totally understand

14:32.940 --> 14:34.340
that people don't want

14:34.340 --> 14:35.000
to deal with

14:35.000 --> 14:35.980
with PayPal

14:35.980 --> 14:36.960
because either

14:36.960 --> 14:38.040
A they don't trust them

14:38.040 --> 14:39.000
have had bad experience

14:39.000 --> 14:39.480
with them

14:39.480 --> 14:40.820
don't want to give

14:40.820 --> 14:41.820
that information out

14:41.820 --> 14:42.300
etc

14:42.300 --> 14:44.560
and I respect that

14:44.560 --> 14:45.380
but I just

14:45.380 --> 14:46.720
cannot deal with it

14:46.720 --> 14:47.080
myself

14:47.080 --> 14:48.080
so luckily

14:48.080 --> 14:50.080
lucky here

14:50.080 --> 14:50.820
is going to be able

14:50.820 --> 14:51.660
to help you guys out

14:51.660 --> 14:52.640
yeah

14:52.640 --> 14:54.160
alright

14:54.160 --> 14:54.720
well

14:54.720 --> 14:55.540
I guess

14:55.540 --> 14:56.660
I guess you're the man

14:56.660 --> 14:57.320
now so

14:57.320 --> 14:58.180
yeah

14:58.180 --> 15:00.820
and let's move on

15:00.820 --> 15:01.860
to another email

15:01.860 --> 15:02.840
here

15:02.840 --> 15:04.920
let's see

15:04.920 --> 15:05.540
and this one is

15:05.540 --> 15:06.700
from Cyberlord

15:06.700 --> 15:08.660
Cyberlord says

15:08.660 --> 15:10.320
I just figured

15:10.320 --> 15:11.200
I'd pass this

15:11.200 --> 15:12.140
along to you

15:12.140 --> 15:13.200
I recently had

15:13.200 --> 15:14.000
my brother-in-law

15:14.000 --> 15:15.260
down for a short visit

15:15.260 --> 15:16.700
everything was cool

15:16.700 --> 15:17.380
until about the

15:17.380 --> 15:18.420
fourth day he was here

15:18.420 --> 15:19.860
I woke up that morning

15:19.860 --> 15:20.640
and my internet

15:20.640 --> 15:21.420
had died

15:21.420 --> 15:22.620
like any respectable

15:22.620 --> 15:23.100
nethead

15:23.100 --> 15:24.240
I called Cox up

15:24.240 --> 15:24.820
to see what the

15:24.820 --> 15:25.860
bloody problem was

15:25.860 --> 15:27.340
they gave me a number

15:27.340 --> 15:28.080
to their security

15:28.080 --> 15:29.080
center and a report

15:29.080 --> 15:29.720
number so I

15:29.720 --> 15:30.580
blindly called

15:30.580 --> 15:32.180
come to find out

15:32.180 --> 15:33.320
my wife had rebooted

15:33.320 --> 15:34.180
my computer while

15:34.180 --> 15:34.560
cleaning

15:34.560 --> 15:35.960
and my firewall

15:35.960 --> 15:37.080
failed to reload

15:37.080 --> 15:37.640
correctly

15:37.640 --> 15:39.020
probably Microsoft

15:39.020 --> 15:41.460
Universal Studios

15:41.460 --> 15:42.420
had searched my

15:42.420 --> 15:43.220
computer somehow

15:43.220 --> 15:44.720
and found a copy

15:44.720 --> 15:45.320
of

15:45.320 --> 15:46.700
Spider-Man 2

15:46.700 --> 15:47.800
that my brother-in-law

15:47.800 --> 15:48.600
had downloaded

15:48.600 --> 15:50.160
then they emailed

15:50.160 --> 15:51.000
Cox Security

15:51.000 --> 15:52.140
to have my internet

15:52.140 --> 15:53.340
account shut off

15:53.340 --> 15:55.060
wait one second

15:55.060 --> 15:55.940
Universal hacked

15:55.940 --> 15:56.860
my computer through

15:56.860 --> 15:58.360
Cox told Cox

15:58.360 --> 15:59.320
about it and Cox

15:59.320 --> 16:00.180
didn't start shit

16:00.180 --> 16:00.600
with them

16:00.600 --> 16:01.760
what the fuck

16:01.760 --> 16:02.380
happened to

16:02.380 --> 16:03.380
customer privacy

16:03.380 --> 16:04.960
the security guy

16:04.960 --> 16:05.600
on the phone told

16:05.600 --> 16:06.200
me if I didn't

16:06.200 --> 16:06.860
delete the file

16:06.860 --> 16:07.980
before they scanned

16:07.980 --> 16:08.560
my computer

16:08.560 --> 16:09.700
they would be

16:09.700 --> 16:11.100
forced to find

16:11.100 --> 16:11.520
me

16:11.520 --> 16:13.480
so now Universal

16:13.480 --> 16:14.480
and Cox both

16:14.480 --> 16:15.120
claim to have

16:15.120 --> 16:15.940
free access to

16:15.940 --> 16:16.600
my computer

16:16.600 --> 16:18.260
not today buddy

16:18.260 --> 16:19.860
anyway the moral

16:19.860 --> 16:20.580
of the story is

16:20.580 --> 16:22.120
don't trust shit

16:22.120 --> 16:23.060
if you have

16:23.060 --> 16:23.680
something on your

16:23.680 --> 16:24.220
computer that

16:24.220 --> 16:24.620
shouldn't be

16:24.620 --> 16:25.780
found burn

16:25.780 --> 16:26.520
it or do

16:26.520 --> 16:27.040
what I did

16:27.040 --> 16:27.540
and encrypt

16:27.540 --> 16:29.080
everything not

16:29.080 --> 16:29.800
being directly

16:29.800 --> 16:30.760
used by wind

16:30.760 --> 16:31.780
blows otherwise

16:31.780 --> 16:32.660
shit could get

16:32.660 --> 16:33.360
real stupid

16:33.360 --> 16:34.920
real fast

16:34.920 --> 16:36.820
fuck cocks

16:36.820 --> 16:37.360
and fuck

16:37.360 --> 16:38.220
their fines

16:38.220 --> 16:38.800
I need to

16:38.800 --> 16:39.300
find some

16:39.300 --> 16:40.360
local Wi-Fi

16:40.360 --> 16:40.860
to jack

16:40.860 --> 16:41.480
just thought I

16:41.480 --> 16:42.360
would I should

16:42.360 --> 16:42.980
let you know

16:42.980 --> 16:43.720
what I found

16:43.720 --> 16:44.340
out on their

16:44.340 --> 16:44.780
side of the

16:44.780 --> 16:45.540
world keep up

16:45.540 --> 16:46.320
the good work

16:46.320 --> 16:47.960
wow

16:47.960 --> 16:50.060
now this

16:50.060 --> 16:51.220
particular email

16:51.220 --> 16:52.780
first of all

16:52.780 --> 16:53.440
it's a little

16:53.440 --> 16:54.100
bit vague

16:54.100 --> 16:54.880
I just want to

16:54.880 --> 16:55.260
say it's a little

16:55.260 --> 16:55.560
bit vague

16:55.560 --> 16:56.020
you say they

16:56.020 --> 16:56.540
searched your

16:56.540 --> 16:57.480
computer somehow

16:57.480 --> 16:59.440
I don't

16:59.440 --> 17:01.360
I'm not buying

17:01.360 --> 17:01.560
it

17:01.560 --> 17:02.220
I don't know

17:02.220 --> 17:02.840
if that's

17:02.840 --> 17:04.920
I don't

17:04.920 --> 17:05.520
I mean I

17:05.520 --> 17:05.940
would need to

17:05.940 --> 17:06.260
see some

17:06.260 --> 17:06.780
evidence of

17:06.780 --> 17:07.500
exactly what

17:07.500 --> 17:07.660
you mean

17:07.660 --> 17:08.200
I'm not saying

17:08.200 --> 17:08.900
I'm not saying

17:08.900 --> 17:09.540
I don't buy it

17:09.540 --> 17:09.920
but I'm just

17:09.920 --> 17:10.840
saying you're

17:10.840 --> 17:11.440
jumping to a

17:11.440 --> 17:12.500
conclusion maybe

17:12.500 --> 17:13.540
I'm guessing

17:13.540 --> 17:14.040
that what

17:14.040 --> 17:15.280
probably happened

17:15.280 --> 17:15.760
is the same

17:15.760 --> 17:16.120
thing we've

17:16.120 --> 17:16.760
heard stories of

17:16.760 --> 17:17.400
in the past

17:17.400 --> 17:18.340
that you had

17:18.340 --> 17:18.880
some kind of

17:18.880 --> 17:19.300
peer-to-peer

17:19.300 --> 17:19.760
software

17:19.760 --> 17:20.060
you had

17:20.060 --> 17:20.820
Kazar running

17:20.820 --> 17:21.060
you had

17:21.060 --> 17:21.820
something running

17:21.820 --> 17:23.060
and they

17:23.060 --> 17:24.440
do see

17:24.440 --> 17:25.040
who's sharing

17:25.040 --> 17:25.660
files and

17:25.660 --> 17:26.280
where the

17:26.280 --> 17:27.100
IP resolves

17:27.100 --> 17:27.340
to

17:27.340 --> 17:28.140
they didn't

17:28.140 --> 17:28.660
necessarily

17:28.660 --> 17:29.300
search your

17:29.300 --> 17:29.600
computer

17:29.600 --> 17:29.980
they saw

17:29.980 --> 17:30.240
that you

17:30.240 --> 17:30.940
were sharing

17:30.940 --> 17:31.880
a copy

17:31.880 --> 17:32.500
of Spider-Man

17:32.500 --> 17:33.000
2 and

17:33.000 --> 17:33.520
they started

17:33.520 --> 17:34.200
downloading it

17:34.200 --> 17:34.640
or saw that

17:34.640 --> 17:35.040
you had it

17:35.040 --> 17:35.620
for download

17:35.620 --> 17:36.540
they saw

17:36.540 --> 17:36.900
your IP

17:36.900 --> 17:37.320
address and

17:37.320 --> 17:37.660
they probably

17:37.660 --> 17:38.560
contacted Cox

17:38.560 --> 17:38.820
Cable

17:38.820 --> 17:39.280
they've done

17:39.280 --> 17:39.820
it to many

17:39.820 --> 17:40.400
other people

17:40.400 --> 17:40.880
it's nothing

17:40.880 --> 17:41.300
new

17:41.300 --> 17:42.300
you know

17:42.300 --> 17:42.800
so I presume

17:42.800 --> 17:43.140
that's what

17:43.140 --> 17:43.480
happened

17:43.480 --> 17:43.760
I don't

17:43.760 --> 17:44.300
think anybody

17:44.300 --> 17:45.880
quote hacked

17:45.880 --> 17:47.100
your computer

17:47.100 --> 17:47.740
or searched

17:47.740 --> 17:48.040
you know

17:48.040 --> 17:48.620
got on and

17:48.620 --> 17:49.200
broke in and

17:49.200 --> 17:49.800
searched it as

17:49.800 --> 17:51.280
you seem to

17:51.280 --> 17:51.660
think

17:51.660 --> 17:52.520
at least I

17:52.520 --> 17:53.400
sure as hell

17:53.400 --> 17:53.840
hope that

17:53.840 --> 17:54.480
didn't happen

17:54.480 --> 17:55.380
unless he's got

17:55.380 --> 17:56.080
a file share

17:56.080 --> 17:56.420
running

17:56.420 --> 17:59.060
well that doesn't

17:59.060 --> 18:00.040
make it okay for

18:00.040 --> 18:00.700
them to come on

18:00.700 --> 18:01.480
and search either

18:01.480 --> 18:02.700
yeah I know

18:02.700 --> 18:04.140
I totally agree

18:04.140 --> 18:04.440
with you

18:04.440 --> 18:06.100
now like I was

18:06.100 --> 18:06.880
discussing with you

18:06.880 --> 18:07.620
before the show

18:07.620 --> 18:08.440
stink I'm sorry

18:08.440 --> 18:09.380
but I'm thinking

18:09.380 --> 18:10.580
this email itself

18:10.580 --> 18:11.360
might be bogus

18:11.360 --> 18:12.020
just because

18:12.020 --> 18:13.880
dude like the guy

18:13.880 --> 18:14.560
can't type

18:14.560 --> 18:16.060
and he's typing

18:16.060 --> 18:17.020
he's typing with

18:17.020 --> 18:17.760
like ones and

18:17.760 --> 18:18.680
threes and shit

18:18.680 --> 18:19.300
yeah but I

18:19.300 --> 18:20.060
can't type

18:20.060 --> 18:23.320
and I put ones

18:23.320 --> 18:23.960
and threes in

18:23.960 --> 18:24.660
sometimes

18:24.660 --> 18:25.500
yeah yeah but

18:25.500 --> 18:26.360
not on every

18:26.360 --> 18:27.220
freaking thing

18:27.220 --> 18:27.700
yeah but you

18:27.700 --> 18:28.620
use fearness for

18:28.620 --> 18:29.280
every other word

18:29.280 --> 18:29.740
people would

18:29.740 --> 18:30.320
consider you

18:30.320 --> 18:30.800
can't speak

18:30.800 --> 18:31.240
you say that

18:31.240 --> 18:31.580
you can't

18:31.580 --> 18:32.040
speak English

18:32.040 --> 18:32.540
because you

18:32.540 --> 18:33.220
can't say a

18:33.220 --> 18:33.560
sentence without

18:33.560 --> 18:33.880
the word

18:33.880 --> 18:35.080
fearness in it

18:35.080 --> 18:36.360
I can't speak

18:36.360 --> 18:37.040
English alright

18:37.040 --> 18:38.340
I speak

18:38.340 --> 18:38.860
hack store

18:38.860 --> 18:39.700
my

18:39.700 --> 18:42.400
google.com

18:42.400 --> 18:42.840
it's like

18:42.840 --> 18:44.100
google.com

18:44.100 --> 18:45.120
slash international

18:45.120 --> 18:46.160
slash xx

18:46.160 --> 18:46.740
hack store

18:46.740 --> 18:47.880
yeah yeah

18:47.880 --> 18:49.840
so

18:49.840 --> 18:51.400
yeah you know

18:51.400 --> 18:51.960
and actually

18:51.960 --> 18:52.780
this got me

18:52.780 --> 18:53.360
thinking about

18:53.360 --> 18:54.120
something else

18:54.120 --> 18:55.360
I think it's

18:55.360 --> 18:55.940
probably legit

18:55.940 --> 18:56.420
I mean I

18:56.420 --> 18:57.520
typed quick

18:57.520 --> 18:58.400
sloppy emails

18:58.400 --> 18:58.840
I mean I'm

18:58.840 --> 18:59.240
not the

18:59.240 --> 19:00.420
grammar police

19:00.420 --> 19:00.880
I'm not the

19:00.880 --> 19:01.560
spelling police

19:01.560 --> 19:01.880
here

19:01.880 --> 19:02.660
alright well

19:02.660 --> 19:03.400
I'm just saying

19:03.400 --> 19:04.080
alright well

19:04.080 --> 19:05.260
if it turns out

19:05.260 --> 19:05.600
that I

19:05.600 --> 19:06.400
yeah I'll

19:06.400 --> 19:07.100
say that I

19:07.100 --> 19:07.480
was had

19:07.480 --> 19:07.820
and you

19:07.820 --> 19:08.980
I just think

19:08.980 --> 19:09.280
it looks

19:09.280 --> 19:09.680
bogus

19:09.680 --> 19:09.980
to me

19:09.980 --> 19:10.400
that's all

19:10.400 --> 19:11.360
I'm saying

19:11.360 --> 19:11.860
alright

19:11.860 --> 19:12.260
bogus

19:12.260 --> 19:12.520
to me

19:12.520 --> 19:13.160
duly

19:13.160 --> 19:13.740
noted

19:13.740 --> 19:15.580
but again

19:15.580 --> 19:15.980
yeah we've

19:15.980 --> 19:16.280
heard this

19:16.280 --> 19:16.620
before

19:16.620 --> 19:17.040
we've read

19:17.040 --> 19:17.540
stories on

19:17.540 --> 19:17.800
the web

19:17.800 --> 19:18.340
about it

19:18.340 --> 19:19.120
and I

19:19.120 --> 19:19.500
do think

19:19.500 --> 19:19.740
it's a

19:19.740 --> 19:19.920
double

19:19.920 --> 19:20.300
standard

19:20.300 --> 19:21.080
that they

19:21.080 --> 19:21.500
can invade

19:21.500 --> 19:22.080
our privacy

19:22.080 --> 19:22.460
and stuff

19:22.460 --> 19:22.820
like that

19:22.820 --> 19:23.180
but we're

19:23.180 --> 19:24.340
not allowed

19:24.340 --> 19:24.660
to do it

19:24.660 --> 19:25.000
to them

19:25.000 --> 19:25.380
that's the

19:25.380 --> 19:25.680
thing

19:25.680 --> 19:26.600
we're not

19:26.600 --> 19:26.960
allowed to

19:26.960 --> 19:27.400
watch what

19:27.400 --> 19:27.680
they do

19:27.680 --> 19:28.200
they're always

19:28.200 --> 19:28.560
trying to

19:28.560 --> 19:29.020
cover their

19:29.020 --> 19:29.440
tracks

19:29.440 --> 19:29.800
and keep

19:29.800 --> 19:30.180
them from

19:30.180 --> 19:30.500
being

19:30.500 --> 19:31.960
keep us

19:31.960 --> 19:32.840
from finding

19:32.840 --> 19:33.500
out information

19:33.500 --> 19:34.080
about them

19:34.080 --> 19:34.440
but it's

19:34.440 --> 19:34.900
okay for

19:34.900 --> 19:35.360
them to be

19:35.360 --> 19:35.800
big brother

19:35.800 --> 19:36.400
on us

19:36.400 --> 19:37.440
see I don't

19:37.440 --> 19:37.720
like that

19:39.680 --> 19:41.520
let's say

19:41.520 --> 19:42.120
this was

19:42.120 --> 19:42.640
just a

19:42.640 --> 19:43.340
simple case

19:43.340 --> 19:43.920
of

19:43.920 --> 19:45.260
peer to

19:45.260 --> 19:45.620
peer

19:45.620 --> 19:46.420
he had

19:46.420 --> 19:46.700
peer to

19:46.700 --> 19:47.160
peer running

19:47.160 --> 19:47.920
they saw

19:47.920 --> 19:48.280
that he was

19:48.280 --> 19:48.700
sharing a

19:48.700 --> 19:49.060
file

19:49.060 --> 19:50.080
got his

19:50.080 --> 19:50.840
IP address

19:50.840 --> 19:51.880
and then

19:51.880 --> 19:52.400
reported them

19:52.400 --> 19:52.740
to Cox

19:52.740 --> 19:53.500
let's assume

19:53.500 --> 19:54.140
that is what

19:54.140 --> 19:54.460
happened

19:54.460 --> 19:54.800
that they

19:54.800 --> 19:55.300
didn't actually

19:55.300 --> 19:55.880
break in the

19:55.880 --> 19:56.100
computer

19:56.100 --> 19:56.600
let's assume

19:56.600 --> 19:56.960
that was

19:56.960 --> 19:57.520
what happened

19:57.520 --> 20:00.340
I'm not

20:00.340 --> 20:00.840
sure

20:00.840 --> 20:02.060
that that

20:02.060 --> 20:02.460
still

20:02.460 --> 20:03.400
constitutes

20:03.400 --> 20:05.540
see I

20:05.540 --> 20:06.240
it got me

20:06.240 --> 20:06.980
wondering this

20:06.980 --> 20:09.680
you don't

20:09.680 --> 20:10.660
as a user

20:10.660 --> 20:10.980
at home

20:10.980 --> 20:11.340
you don't

20:11.340 --> 20:11.740
want them

20:11.740 --> 20:12.060
on your

20:12.060 --> 20:12.420
computer

20:12.420 --> 20:13.000
you did

20:13.000 --> 20:13.200
not

20:13.200 --> 20:13.960
authorize

20:13.960 --> 20:14.340
them

20:14.340 --> 20:15.080
to even

20:15.080 --> 20:15.540
look at

20:15.540 --> 20:16.020
your computer

20:16.020 --> 20:16.380
or the

20:16.380 --> 20:16.960
files that

20:16.960 --> 20:17.460
you're sharing

20:17.460 --> 20:17.920
on your

20:17.920 --> 20:18.340
computer

20:18.340 --> 20:20.540
I would

20:20.540 --> 20:21.000
love to

20:21.000 --> 20:21.760
see somebody

20:21.760 --> 20:22.380
flip the

20:22.380 --> 20:22.900
script on

20:22.900 --> 20:23.380
them and

20:23.380 --> 20:24.200
actually file

20:24.200 --> 20:24.960
a suit or

20:24.960 --> 20:25.640
start filing

20:25.640 --> 20:26.320
complaints or

20:26.320 --> 20:27.180
a class action

20:27.180 --> 20:28.800
suit against

20:28.800 --> 20:30.360
them for

20:30.360 --> 20:31.140
unauthorized

20:31.140 --> 20:31.920
access of a

20:31.920 --> 20:32.820
computer system

20:32.820 --> 20:33.380
if they're just

20:33.380 --> 20:33.920
doing it on

20:33.920 --> 20:34.560
peer to peer

20:34.560 --> 20:35.120
you're already

20:35.120 --> 20:35.860
letting anyone

20:35.860 --> 20:36.360
who goes on

20:36.360 --> 20:36.640
the share

20:36.640 --> 20:38.700
but by the

20:38.700 --> 20:39.220
nature of

20:39.220 --> 20:39.520
peer to

20:39.520 --> 20:40.160
peer it's

20:40.160 --> 20:40.880
sharing with

20:40.880 --> 20:41.480
each other

20:41.480 --> 20:42.120
it's sharing

20:42.120 --> 20:42.900
they're not

20:42.900 --> 20:44.160
sharing per se

20:44.160 --> 20:45.400
and you can

20:45.400 --> 20:46.100
choose who you

20:46.100 --> 20:46.660
share with and

20:46.660 --> 20:47.060
who you don't

20:47.060 --> 20:47.600
you can kick

20:47.600 --> 20:48.180
people and

20:48.180 --> 20:48.960
stuff like that

20:48.960 --> 20:49.900
it doesn't

20:49.900 --> 20:51.100
inherently assume

20:51.100 --> 20:51.440
that you're

20:51.440 --> 20:52.640
giving everyone

20:52.640 --> 20:53.300
access

20:53.300 --> 20:54.660
you're only

20:54.660 --> 20:55.200
giving access

20:55.200 --> 20:55.840
to those who

20:55.840 --> 20:56.520
share back

20:56.520 --> 20:57.000
and some of

20:57.000 --> 20:57.200
them it's

20:57.200 --> 20:57.640
built in the

20:57.640 --> 20:57.960
protocol

20:57.960 --> 20:58.520
if you don't

20:58.520 --> 21:00.360
share your

21:00.360 --> 21:00.980
own files you

21:00.980 --> 21:01.540
can't download

21:01.540 --> 21:01.980
others and

21:01.980 --> 21:02.420
that's a little

21:02.420 --> 21:03.180
different but

21:03.180 --> 21:05.060
I don't know

21:05.060 --> 21:05.740
I'm not saying

21:05.740 --> 21:06.100
that it would

21:06.100 --> 21:06.460
work

21:06.460 --> 21:06.780
I'm just

21:06.780 --> 21:07.040
saying it

21:07.040 --> 21:07.320
would be

21:07.320 --> 21:07.840
interesting

21:07.840 --> 21:08.940
to see

21:08.940 --> 21:10.260
somebody find

21:10.260 --> 21:10.840
a loophole

21:10.840 --> 21:11.460
like that

21:11.460 --> 21:12.360
where they

21:12.360 --> 21:13.800
actually counter

21:13.800 --> 21:14.500
attack

21:14.500 --> 21:16.680
another thing

21:16.680 --> 21:17.300
that pisses

21:17.300 --> 21:17.880
me off is

21:17.880 --> 21:19.020
the RIAA

21:19.020 --> 21:19.900
and the MPAA

21:19.900 --> 21:20.900
keep pushing

21:20.900 --> 21:21.580
this bullshit

21:21.580 --> 21:22.180
you can even

21:22.180 --> 21:22.720
go to some

21:22.720 --> 21:23.380
movie theaters

21:23.380 --> 21:23.700
and they'll

21:23.700 --> 21:24.040
have this

21:24.040 --> 21:24.620
little rated

21:24.620 --> 21:25.340
I illegal

21:25.340 --> 21:25.920
downloading

21:25.920 --> 21:26.700
they keep

21:26.700 --> 21:27.260
pushing that

21:27.260 --> 21:28.040
downloading is

21:28.040 --> 21:28.640
illegal when

21:28.640 --> 21:29.120
it's not

21:29.120 --> 21:30.660
and I mean

21:30.660 --> 21:31.440
this right here

21:31.440 --> 21:31.800
would just

21:31.800 --> 21:32.600
fucking prove it

21:32.600 --> 21:33.660
because just

21:33.660 --> 21:34.160
because they

21:34.160 --> 21:34.960
see that you're

21:34.960 --> 21:35.840
sharing a file

21:35.840 --> 21:36.320
name that

21:36.320 --> 21:37.020
happens to be

21:37.020 --> 21:37.380
named

21:37.380 --> 21:38.680
spider-man 2

21:38.680 --> 21:39.160
the movie

21:39.160 --> 21:39.920
dot mpeg

21:39.920 --> 21:41.280
does not mean

21:41.280 --> 21:41.820
that that's

21:41.820 --> 21:42.940
actually the

21:42.940 --> 21:43.400
movie of

21:43.400 --> 21:44.200
spider-man 2

21:44.200 --> 21:45.000
right and

21:45.000 --> 21:46.360
actually sub-zero

21:46.360 --> 21:52.600
actually told a

21:52.600 --> 21:53.300
story exactly

21:53.300 --> 21:53.940
like that of

21:53.940 --> 21:54.440
what they did

21:54.440 --> 21:54.700
at their

21:54.700 --> 21:55.900
university is

21:55.900 --> 21:56.460
they created

21:56.460 --> 21:57.860
a file and

21:57.860 --> 21:58.380
I don't remember

21:58.380 --> 21:58.880
what the movie

21:58.880 --> 21:59.560
was they created

21:59.560 --> 22:00.140
a file of

22:00.140 --> 22:00.520
let's say

22:00.520 --> 22:01.180
spider-man 2

22:01.180 --> 22:01.540
just for

22:01.540 --> 22:02.180
argument's sake

22:02.180 --> 22:03.340
and what they

22:03.340 --> 22:03.760
did is they

22:03.760 --> 22:04.340
took a home

22:04.340 --> 22:05.320
digital video

22:05.320 --> 22:06.380
camera and

22:06.380 --> 22:06.780
they put it

22:06.780 --> 22:07.220
against the

22:07.220 --> 22:07.760
wall in their

22:07.760 --> 22:08.340
dorm room and

22:08.340 --> 22:08.920
they filmed it

22:08.920 --> 22:09.820
for two hours

22:09.820 --> 22:10.780
just the wall

22:10.780 --> 22:11.720
that's it

22:11.720 --> 22:13.060
and then they

22:13.060 --> 22:13.640
saved it and

22:13.640 --> 22:14.240
encoded it as

22:14.240 --> 22:15.380
an AVI or

22:15.380 --> 22:16.300
whatever it was

22:16.300 --> 22:17.040
so that it

22:17.040 --> 22:17.500
looked like it

22:17.500 --> 22:17.920
was the right

22:17.920 --> 22:18.900
file size the

22:18.900 --> 22:19.780
right format the

22:19.780 --> 22:20.820
right length and

22:20.820 --> 22:21.840
they named it

22:21.840 --> 22:23.480
spider-man 2 and

22:23.480 --> 22:24.300
they did put it

22:24.300 --> 22:25.120
up for sharing on

22:25.120 --> 22:25.700
peer-to-peer

22:25.700 --> 22:28.040
they got a

22:28.040 --> 22:29.060
threatening letter

22:29.060 --> 22:31.300
all they did was

22:31.300 --> 22:31.960
search for the

22:31.960 --> 22:32.900
name and start

22:32.900 --> 22:33.740
grabbing IP

22:33.740 --> 22:34.560
addresses they may

22:34.560 --> 22:35.400
even have a bot

22:35.400 --> 22:36.460
a bot somehow

22:36.460 --> 22:37.300
that automates the

22:37.300 --> 22:38.040
whole process and

22:38.040 --> 22:38.920
just grabs the IP

22:38.920 --> 22:39.740
of when it finds a

22:39.740 --> 22:41.380
name but they did

22:41.380 --> 22:42.240
get in trouble they

22:42.240 --> 22:42.940
get well excuse me

22:42.940 --> 22:43.320
they didn't get in

22:43.320 --> 22:43.880
trouble they got

22:43.880 --> 22:44.600
report they

22:44.600 --> 22:46.180
threatened by

22:46.180 --> 22:47.500
the MPAA their

22:47.500 --> 22:48.560
university the

22:48.560 --> 22:49.460
university security

22:49.460 --> 22:50.440
contacted them

22:50.440 --> 22:51.820
about it to which

22:51.820 --> 22:53.400
they said yes we

22:53.400 --> 22:54.380
do have a file of

22:54.380 --> 22:55.180
that name let me

22:55.180 --> 22:55.860
show you what it

22:55.860 --> 22:56.700
is and they showed

22:56.700 --> 22:57.480
the security at the

22:57.480 --> 22:58.860
university which I

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thought was really

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cool that the

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university security

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listened to them

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gave them the

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benefit of the

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doubt and then

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laughed about it

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afterwards and

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said ha ha you

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really got them so

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they did not get in

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any trouble for it in

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the long term but

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yes they searched for

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the name and found

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it and it was only

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because they used

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that particular

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name yeah I mean

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and so I mean and

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so if they're not

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even downloading

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these files they

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have no evidence

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whatsoever that this

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is even on your

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computer right without

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connecting and

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actually downloading it

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and that might be

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and if they're

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considering that

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illegal then why

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are they doing it

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yeah I'm saying

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there might be some

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other loopholes

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they're committing

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an illegal act but

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they're the copyright

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owner so I don't

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know plus again that

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may be unawful

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it happens if they

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download spider-man

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2 and then it

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happens to be some

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disney pixar movie

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and you know that

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they downloaded a

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copyrighted material

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that they don't own

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the copyright to

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oh well then they'd

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be owned then you'd

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have them buy the

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short hairs on that

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one yeah if you

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named one of their

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movies and showed

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put someone else's

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on it yeah that

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would be that would

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be pretty interesting

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too but anyway this

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and this is the

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whole thing there's

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all these questions

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about it yet they're

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trying to pass these

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laws what's the new

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act that they've got

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now the oh geez

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what is that new

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one against peer-to-peer

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called I can't think

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of the name of it

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it's right on the

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tip of my tongue

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I haven't heard

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about this oh my

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goodness I can't

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think of the name

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of it it's induce

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the induce act the

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induce act it's all

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about peer-to-peer

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and shutting it down

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but the way they're

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defining it is so

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broad and so vague

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that they're not

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the way they've

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defined it websites

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can be considered

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peer-to-peer the

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way they work they

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could use this new

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if this thing gets

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passed the way they've

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got it worded they

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will have a legal

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precedent set they

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will have a law

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passed an act that's

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in Congress right

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now that's being

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voted or pushed for

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votes any day now

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that would give them

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the leverage to start

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busting websites even

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though it's not

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supposed to be it's

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supposed to be about

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peer-to-peer but

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because the way it's

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worded it's going to

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be used against

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people's websites they

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want to shut down

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they don't know what

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they're doing they

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need to get technology

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people in there to

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explain stuff to them

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and review this and go

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over it oh damn it

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how did I get pulled

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into a rant I didn't

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want to do that damn

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I did not want to do

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that I get sucked into

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these things

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I guess so man

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damn it all right I'm

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going to move off of

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that topic because I'm

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starting to sweat I get

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pissed off

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hey I understand you

25:40.140 --> 25:40.440
man

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oh man now I'm all

25:42.860 --> 25:44.040
hot we're not even

25:44.040 --> 25:45.100
how long into the show

25:45.100 --> 25:46.580
and I'm all fired up

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yeah I've been even

25:47.560 --> 25:48.420
began to uh

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and I've got I actually

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had a real rant I was

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going to kind of close

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with if we have time

25:52.480 --> 25:54.160
I haven't began to uh

25:54.160 --> 25:55.140
give you my sweet

25:55.140 --> 25:55.860
loving yet either

25:55.860 --> 25:58.080
man I don't know I'm

25:58.080 --> 25:58.760
going to be worn out

25:58.760 --> 25:59.680
at frigging it I got to

25:59.680 --> 26:00.760
give you sweet loving

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I got to give I got to

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give droop some sweet

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sweet loving down by the

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fire I got I don't know

26:06.280 --> 26:07.960
man I got a lot of I'm

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getting old man I don't

26:08.860 --> 26:11.020
know if I can perform I

26:11.020 --> 26:11.580
don't know if I can

26:11.580 --> 26:12.820
perform to expectations

26:12.820 --> 26:15.160
all right now that we've

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took a really disgusting

26:16.200 --> 26:17.480
slant to the show let's go

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back to an email and I'm

26:19.620 --> 26:21.060
sorry Dr. Silk I'm sorry

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we segued into your email

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with such a terrible image

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but Dr. Silk uh said

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something but why I just

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wanted to talk about one

26:28.580 --> 26:29.340
of the things he said

26:29.340 --> 26:31.180
which is does BinRev

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have any local meetings

26:32.760 --> 26:36.500
and I've gotten this

26:36.500 --> 26:38.260
question in the past and

26:38.260 --> 26:39.040
I'm getting it more and

26:39.040 --> 26:40.020
more lately and I've

26:40.020 --> 26:41.100
always just kind of

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dismissed it you know to

26:42.940 --> 26:44.440
me it's like we already

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have 2600 meetings we

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already have DEFCON

26:46.860 --> 26:49.640
meetings and whether you

26:49.640 --> 26:51.640
call it 2600 DEFCON

26:51.640 --> 26:52.640
blah blah blah whatever

26:52.640 --> 26:54.540
you call it I don't really

26:54.540 --> 26:55.500
know that there's any need

26:55.500 --> 26:57.140
for any more of that I

26:57.140 --> 26:58.360
mean it seems kind of like

26:58.360 --> 26:59.860
I don't know so I've

26:59.860 --> 27:00.580
kind of been hesitant

27:00.580 --> 27:02.400
about starting anything

27:02.400 --> 27:04.680
like that but as I'm

27:04.680 --> 27:05.500
starting to get more

27:05.500 --> 27:06.700
emails about it I don't

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know maybe I should

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I mean I don't know what

27:10.060 --> 27:11.020
I would have to do with

27:11.020 --> 27:11.760
it that's the other thing

27:11.760 --> 27:13.020
I don't have time to like

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make some nice website and

27:15.600 --> 27:17.080
organize everybody and put

27:17.080 --> 27:18.480
rules up and this is when

27:18.480 --> 27:19.800
it starts and then keep a

27:19.800 --> 27:20.920
list of where there's

27:20.920 --> 27:22.420
active meetings and and

27:22.420 --> 27:23.500
all that kind of stuff I

27:23.500 --> 27:25.220
don't I just don't have

27:25.220 --> 27:26.260
time for that frankly I

27:26.260 --> 27:28.880
don't I would be all for

27:28.880 --> 27:29.760
and I would be very

27:29.760 --> 27:30.800
supportive of people

27:30.800 --> 27:31.820
doing that if they want

27:31.820 --> 27:35.140
to but I don't know

27:35.140 --> 27:36.940
fine screw you stink I'm

27:36.940 --> 27:37.860
starting my own bin rev

27:37.860 --> 27:39.860
meeting out here first I

27:39.860 --> 27:41.180
know you're listening bin

27:41.180 --> 27:44.480
rev 909 bin rev bin rev

27:44.480 --> 27:49.840
gwasti oh man no I mean I

27:49.840 --> 27:53.080
you know what I guess if you

27:53.080 --> 27:54.240
if some people are sincere

27:54.240 --> 27:55.180
and they want to start

27:55.180 --> 27:58.020
these up I guess email me

27:58.020 --> 27:59.480
and let's talk about it

27:59.480 --> 28:00.300
let's see if there's some

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legitimate interest I mean

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because I'm all about going

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to whatever meeting you

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have and if you don't have

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one already then yeah maybe

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start one because it

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doesn't exist but I don't

28:11.480 --> 28:13.360
want to make this into a you

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know oh I don't like 2600 I'm

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going to change it bin rev and

28:16.300 --> 28:17.500
I let's and try to get

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everybody to quit and I don't

28:18.820 --> 28:19.840
want to be a big political

28:19.840 --> 28:21.940
thing but I guess if there's

28:21.940 --> 28:22.800
not a meeting and somebody

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wants to start a new

28:23.600 --> 28:24.780
meeting somewhere sure I

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guess that's okay but as

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far as setting up a page and

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a schedule and all that kind

28:29.880 --> 28:33.080
of stuff I can't I can't take

28:33.080 --> 28:34.020
that on right now I've got

28:34.020 --> 28:34.900
too many other things going

28:34.900 --> 28:35.800
on maybe if somebody wants

28:35.800 --> 28:38.340
to volunteer to maintain a

28:38.340 --> 28:39.540
page and keep that

28:39.540 --> 28:40.940
information a nice organized

28:40.940 --> 28:42.840
list of current meetings so

28:42.840 --> 28:45.040
people can find them yeah I

28:45.040 --> 28:46.160
would I would be open to

28:46.160 --> 28:47.660
that I would be open to that

28:47.660 --> 28:52.500
but I don't know some people I

28:52.500 --> 28:55.640
know have been ostracized from

28:55.640 --> 28:56.940
other meetings for one reason

28:56.940 --> 28:58.200
or another so maybe this would

28:58.200 --> 29:01.580
be a way for them to still be a

29:01.580 --> 29:02.400
part of the community

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ah sip of sweet iced tea there

29:08.360 --> 29:12.440
okay boy man I gotta speed up

29:12.440 --> 29:13.660
here we get I still got a bunch of

29:13.660 --> 29:15.820
emails to go um another email

29:15.820 --> 29:18.780
from Nick Nick uh who says I

29:18.780 --> 29:19.700
have a bunch of different

29:19.700 --> 29:21.780
issues with my KVM doing weird

29:21.780 --> 29:24.520
things okay this is I have had

29:24.520 --> 29:25.720
some ongoing problems with my

29:25.720 --> 29:28.660
KVM switch um keyboard video

29:28.660 --> 29:30.460
mouse that I'm trying to use to

29:30.460 --> 29:32.000
control four different boxes

29:32.000 --> 29:33.640
here and I've documented in this

29:33.640 --> 29:35.220
past episodes what I've tried and

29:35.220 --> 29:36.540
what works and doesn't or what

29:36.540 --> 29:37.600
doesn't work I haven't found what

29:37.600 --> 29:39.460
works yet yeah so he's talking

29:39.460 --> 29:41.580
about that uh first of all most of

29:41.580 --> 29:43.940
the KVMs don't officially support

29:43.940 --> 29:47.220
non-PS2 mouses or mice is that

29:47.220 --> 29:49.000
mice or mouses I believe it's

29:49.000 --> 29:52.460
mice yeah TS2 mice okay um even if

29:52.460 --> 29:54.240
you are using a USB converter which

29:54.240 --> 29:55.860
I mentioned I am this is a USB

29:55.860 --> 29:57.040
mouse I just put the little

29:57.040 --> 29:58.960
adapter on there and it's always

29:58.960 --> 30:00.500
worked directly to the computer but

30:00.500 --> 30:01.980
it doesn't like it when I put it

30:01.980 --> 30:03.420
through the KVM switch so I'm I'm

30:03.420 --> 30:05.000
just wondering if that's the cause

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so he seems to think that that's

30:07.000 --> 30:10.360
also it could be uh now on to the

30:10.360 --> 30:11.840
more interesting stuff my roommate

30:11.840 --> 30:13.940
had problems with his PS2 ports not

30:13.940 --> 30:16.220
giving out enough juice you've got a

30:16.220 --> 30:17.960
power adapter so that's all good

30:17.960 --> 30:19.580
yeah I bought a power adapter as part

30:19.580 --> 30:20.920
of my debugging thinking that would

30:20.920 --> 30:24.480
help still no luck I have one cheap

30:24.480 --> 30:26.440
KVM that won't change if both

30:26.440 --> 30:29.100
computers aren't on that that really

30:29.100 --> 30:30.560
does suck that's kind of pointless

30:30.560 --> 30:32.420
well then again if the other one's not

30:32.420 --> 30:33.780
on I guess there's no need to switch

30:33.780 --> 30:36.700
but whatever um I use basically a

30:36.700 --> 30:39.320
standard imps to mouse with scroll

30:39.320 --> 30:41.100
wheel functions it's an old

30:41.100 --> 30:43.160
Microsoft PS2 mouse with a wheel I

30:43.160 --> 30:46.020
love it turn off USB mouse keyboard

30:46.020 --> 30:48.720
support in your bios I actually broke

30:48.720 --> 30:51.040
the functionality of KVM doing that a

30:51.040 --> 30:53.100
little while ago by doing this turn off

30:53.100 --> 30:55.540
USB keyboard mouse support off in your

30:55.540 --> 30:57.920
bios try digging out an old PS2 mouse

30:57.920 --> 30:59.920
for a while and use imps to in your

30:59.920 --> 31:02.720
x config file if that works it's your

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mouse if it doesn't well bitch about

31:04.580 --> 31:05.860
some more and I'll keep scratching my

31:05.860 --> 31:09.680
head by the way I'm using x org but it

31:09.680 --> 31:12.380
was working with the other one x 86

31:12.380 --> 31:15.320
he means x free 86 or something I

31:15.320 --> 31:18.620
forgot the name of it yeah so um yeah

31:18.620 --> 31:20.560
those are absolutely that it's

31:20.560 --> 31:21.940
definitely what you said are the next

31:21.940 --> 31:23.780
steps for me to test no doubt about it

31:23.780 --> 31:25.340
I haven't had time to play with it

31:25.340 --> 31:27.420
since I bitched about it before but

31:27.420 --> 31:30.300
getting it all I have mice laying

31:30.300 --> 31:32.040
around here everywhere in this room I'm

31:32.040 --> 31:33.680
sure I can find an old PS2 mouse of

31:33.680 --> 31:35.860
some kind of see if that acts any

31:35.860 --> 31:37.180
different that's definitely the next

31:37.180 --> 31:40.440
thing to do so I will try that and

31:40.440 --> 31:41.980
disable it in the bios that's another

31:41.980 --> 31:43.300
thing I'm pretty sure I had done that

31:43.300 --> 31:46.300
already but I will verify that and see

31:46.300 --> 31:48.400
if that's the case as well and I'll let

31:48.400 --> 31:52.280
everybody know as I if I find out all

31:52.280 --> 31:53.920
right and again there's no point in me

31:53.920 --> 31:55.680
contacting Belkin and asking them

31:55.680 --> 31:58.540
because they're they're morons Belks of

31:58.540 --> 32:00.420
any kind of tech support I don't even

32:00.420 --> 32:03.100
waste my breath yeah again you're

32:03.100 --> 32:04.960
dealing with Belkin yeah I mean it's

32:04.960 --> 32:07.800
they're all what did I tell you about

32:07.800 --> 32:09.420
this the last time we brought this up

32:09.420 --> 32:12.680
yeah yeah flash Belkin rant let's go on

32:12.680 --> 32:15.480
yeah yeah we've see previous episode

32:15.480 --> 32:20.180
okay and let's see another email this

32:20.180 --> 32:23.520
email is from doom angel and it's good

32:23.520 --> 32:24.960
that we had you back on the show tonight

32:24.960 --> 32:27.180
because he's referring to a previous

32:27.180 --> 32:30.620
episode it says thank dog and lucky 225

32:30.620 --> 32:33.900
in episode 64 you brought up the fact

32:33.900 --> 32:35.460
that the rise of free speech and

32:35.460 --> 32:37.940
information was included in a report on

32:37.940 --> 32:40.220
the increase of cyber crime your

32:40.220 --> 32:42.120
response to the increase in hacker sites

32:42.120 --> 32:44.840
and information was so what and rightly

32:44.840 --> 32:47.580
so one point I would like to point out

32:47.580 --> 32:51.840
is that a crime implies a victim a crime

32:51.840 --> 32:53.580
cannot be committed without a victim

32:53.580 --> 32:56.480
information presented on a web page or

32:56.480 --> 32:58.240
on a radio show cannot be considered a

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crime because there is no victim no one

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is forced against their will to view or

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use the information or your opinion on

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a website or other media a browser

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window can be closed a computer can be

33:10.360 --> 33:12.440
turned off and a radio can have its

33:12.440 --> 33:14.840
station tuned to another station or

33:14.840 --> 33:17.460
turned off yeah these actions remove a

33:17.460 --> 33:20.640
victim from the equation I guess what I'm

33:20.640 --> 33:22.140
saying if you don't like someone else's

33:22.140 --> 33:24.540
opinion don't listen to it don't read it

33:24.540 --> 33:27.480
and don't google it happy learning and

33:27.480 --> 33:31.560
thanks for the show all right well doom

33:31.560 --> 33:35.120
angel thank you for the email and I you

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you have an excellent point there's no

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doubt about it and I agree with it

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completely but it's not quite that

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simple in legal terms in the eyes of the

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law there are such things as victimless

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crimes unfortunately well I don't know

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if I say unfortunately either I'm sure

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there's some good examples like you

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know and the thing is the term victim

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can be defined very liberally I mean the

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the RIAA is a victim in the eyes of the

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law I sure as hell don't think they're a

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victim yeah you know but in the eyes of

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the law they are a victim because they're

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having their that's just what I was going

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to counter with you I mean yeah people

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graffiti on the street and shit yeah

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there's no victim but then again it

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makes the city look all fucked up and

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you're doing it on city property so the

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city the city is the victim in that case

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right so it when you say victimless it's

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not a unique it's not a person or an

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individual that you can use that as a

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broad term right right and in law and in

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legal everything in legal legalese is

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broad terms they have broad definitions

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for everything so yeah I mean I still

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agree with the heart of what you're

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saying don't get me wrong but that's not

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the way our legal system works

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unfortunately and and let's be honest

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the bigger point of the of the whole

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thing is the danger of children getting

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access to information or pictures or

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whatever you know what children into the

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equation that's what causes the

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the that that's what they're trying to

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protect with all of this stuff yeah and

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I'm really getting tired of it because

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you know what the government does not

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need to be our babysitter if you can't

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take care of your kids that's your own

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damn fault you know what you know that

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kind of information is here so don't

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open your fucking legs if you can't

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take care of your kid well that's a

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whole separate rant which I I kind of

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somewhat agree with that in not so

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crude terms but I kind of agree with

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that that I don't the government shouldn't

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be babysitters but the government

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shouldn't and no one else should be

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either I hate when I go to the movie

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theater and they card me when I buy a

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rated R ticket I couldn't even be

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carded anyways I'm giving them business

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why do they care what my age is because

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they have laws in place no they don't

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have laws in place you're underage

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watching a movie you're not entitled to

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watch that movie no I'm not entitled

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because it's theater policy there's no

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law restricting me from seeing it

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hmm the ratings are set by the MPAA

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which is not a government organization

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and the theater is an association of

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NATO which is the national association of

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theater owners or something like that

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so you're telling me it's perfectly

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legal for a child to walk into a triple

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x play by triple x movies it's just a

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rating that the MPAA made after all

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right no the MPAA does not rate triple

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x movies okay well they rate NC-17

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movies can a child buy an NC-17 movie

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uh yes if it's if it's not pornography

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then yeah they can well NC-17 is state

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laws in place that specifically ban

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pornography and they define pornography

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in such terms that makes it that makes

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it illegal well I won't um I won't even

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pretend like I know the legality of

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that quite frankly but I would be

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surprised if there wasn't something in

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place that makes that yes I know that

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they're set by the MPAA I understand

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that completely but I bet you there's

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some type of law in place because

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weren't theaters getting fined and

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having charges filed against them

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because they were letting kids in the

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theater no no no the only the only

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thing the only thing that happens when

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they let a kid in the theater is

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parents start bitching and then

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fucking and then the government gets

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upset because then the government

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thinks that they have they're gonna

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have to start controlling the industry

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and so they try and they try and like

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you know basically the theaters get

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bought out by like NATO which has

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policies that say if you're if this

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theater is owned by NATO you cannot

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sell rated-R tickets to underage

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children and that's just that's just

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part of the policy of that organization

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if you go to the I'm serious dude if

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you go to small independent theaters

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they won't card you at all because

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they don't care you're giving them

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money right I mean I understand your

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point I'm not agreeing or disagreeing

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I I'm saying honestly I don't know

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yeah I mean I'm and I and my figuring

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is I only go see triple x movies so I

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don't really know what the normal

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movie rules are like you know and my

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figuring is if you don't know where

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your 12 year old kid is waste you know

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well then then what what the hell do

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you care if the theater lets them into

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a movie you obviously don't care about

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what where where your kids where

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about this well I I somewhat agree

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with that too but you don't have a

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17 year old kid so you really don't

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know what it's like just just to put

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the shoe on the other foot I'm just

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gonna say I'm not I agree with that

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in spirit but the reality is a little

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bit tougher maybe I mean the kid you

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know a 17 year old kid I mean come

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on lucky let's be honest now let's be

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honest when you're 17 how many times

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did you tell your mother you're going

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to the library or you're going to hang

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out at so-and-so's house and then you

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ditched and you went out and got drunk

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or you went to a party or you went to

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something that you she did not was not

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aware of all right now okay then there

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you go all right and I'm not saying that

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is a justification I still do agree

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with what you're saying but let's be

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realistic the reality is if you can't

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deal with it with your kid going to the

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movies you got problems and you know

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and let's tie this back into the point

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at hand and it and this is the same

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thing I do think that it is absolutely a

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valid point a valid threat that kids

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could get access to things on the

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internet and you know what it's a whole

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lot easier than getting into a movie

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you know it really is because they

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have those rules in place a kid can go

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on Google and search for something and

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get some pretty explicit pictures right

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off of Google yeah you know so it's not

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like it's difficult and yes the parents

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should be with them their guardians

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should take care of of whatever you

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know their online habits and teach them

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and stuff like that but again you can't

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be with them all the time at the same

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time I don't say you place blame with

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Google or whatever the site in

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question is but all I'm saying is that

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I don't think it's really too much to

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ask I don't think it's too big of a

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deal to put a page up at the beginning

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and that's what most sites do and I do

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think there is a law that requires this

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I couldn't tell you what it is but

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that's why all the adult sites come up

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the first thing that says are you above

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21 or 18 or whatever the age limit is

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when you get as old as me you don't pay

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attention anymore it comes up with that

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and I don't think that's unreasonable

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that doesn't I mean does that

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you click enter when it's like asking

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if you're a member of the AARP yeah

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right I'm going for like the early bird

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special the discount senior citizen

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discount but I mean on a serious note

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does it do you have a problem with

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putting up a disclaimer at the site

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before you go into it and then if the

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child or teenager or whatever in

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question goes through it at least you

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put up an attempt you made an attempt

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to stop it and in the eyes of the law

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that is a tremendous difference if you

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show that you made an attempt and you

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put up something to stop them out I

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mean you can't completely prevent them

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from doing it yeah you know what I mean

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do you have a problem with putting up a

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something on the front that says you

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know a disclaimer says what you see in

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this site is for adult content you must be

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18 to enter and then click on yes or

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no no but I mean and I mean that that's

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the reality of it but in my in my eyes I

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think you shouldn't even have to do

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that but I wouldn't mind doing it yeah

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because if you let that go then they're

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going to be like oh well you should make

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this person register and they must give

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their national ID number and blah blah

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well yeah you know it could go further I

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mean there's you know I think that's a

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happy medium I think that's a fair

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compromise to me but you know what some

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sites are so freaking scared of getting

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sued and this is what we this is what

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we're doing in this country now we're

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scaring people for fear of lawsuits they

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scare these companies so that the only

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way that you can authenticate is to give

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a valid credit card number because

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they're under the assumption that only

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an adult and a credit card they can

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connect contact the credit card company

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and get your age and check and verify

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whether you're able to get on the site

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or not that's how scared they are that's

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the extra step they put in to try to

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prevent that's that's just the security

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through obscurity under the assumption

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that anyone who owns a credit card is

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18 or over well and even if they're not

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they can the credit card when they

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verify it they can get the name of the

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card holder the probably the birth

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all they can verify is is that there's

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money on the card can they verify the

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birth date they do not verify the date

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of birth all they do is verify that

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there's like a dog they do a

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pre-authorization for like a dollar on

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the card to make sure it's valid that's

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it so you can go down to the store and

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buy a prepaid credit card and you know

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and no name you know simon mall sells

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these prepaid visas that you can just buy

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right off the shelf yeah i've seen those

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yeah just put 25 dollars on it or

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something and yeah you can use any name

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you want any address and you just put in

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the card number expiration it verifies boom

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you're verified so put a dollar on it

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then go to your website they cost a

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hundred dollars a month or whatever

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well no no well obviously they're going

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to bill you for it but i mean yeah but

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by then it'll be well i i don't know i

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don't know how it depends on the website

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i mean some of them just you just want

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you to verify a credit card just to make

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sure 18 and then the rest of it's free

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right supposedly yeah well anyway i i don't

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think it's such a big deal to put up a page

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to keep them out it does protect you

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legally somewhat you know it's not

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putting a disclaimer at the beginning

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you know all hackers always put this

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disclaimer on their sites or this

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disclaimer at the top of their articles

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that says you know this is just

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informational purposes only what you do

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with it is your own responsibility you

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know that's there because it's showing

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it does show some intent and protects

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you somewhat it's not a safety net by any

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means believe me when i tell you that

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that's not going to protect you so you

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know and and you know what this is why

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some people don't understand and and don't

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want to understand and never will

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understand this is why we have a no

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prawn rule in the forums because there

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are kids in the forums and i don't mean

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that in a negative way there are people

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under 18 under 16 there's people you know

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11 12 13 and i just don't want somebody

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coming after me you know what i mean but

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isn't there a isn't there a thread in

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the off topic well yes there is i knew

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you'd point that out but it there's no

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in stream prawn it's links to other sites

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and like you said it's clearly labeled

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that says you know what's in this thread

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if you're coming in here you know what

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you're getting into and then once you get

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into it there's still no in stream it's

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all links and it's links to it's mostly

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about directory transversal it's kind of

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an exercise to find cool stuff cool

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prawn so even once you get to the site

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in question is still have to click again

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to actually get to any pictures or any

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whatever that's on the other side so

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there's like three clicks of a buffer in

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there but anyway so point being yes your

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point is well taken um uh doom angel your

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point also i agree with completely but we

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live in the real world this isn't the

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matrix unfortunately we live in the real

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world we have to deal with real laws and

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we have to cover our tracks we have to

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cover our our our legal boundaries you

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know we have to make sure we're safe so

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yes i think for taking that extra step to

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protect kids and and frankly anybody

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putting up a page that says warning this

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site contains whatever i think that's i

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don't think that's unreasonable i think

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that's perfectly i think that's perfectly

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fine and i don't mind doing it and you

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know what if you're above 18 you're you're

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an adult and you're you're responsible for

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your own actions that's it that's the

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bottom line it's all there is to it even

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if you're not 18 frankly you're responsible

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for your own actions yeah you don't have

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to be 18 but you know yeah we've seen

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people get tried as adults all the time

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here yeah he can't buy anything that

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requires you to be 18 but well what did

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you try to buy before you never mind i

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don't want to know

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all right anyway any attempts at buying

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anything i was not legally entitled to

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all right um did you have anything else

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for that one before i move on or

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oh move on all right our last email of the

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day i saved this one for the end is from

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dark fiber heard you ask what's in

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strassburg france on your show with

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lucky 225 answer the happy wash of course

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and the listeners can go to happy wash

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dot com h-a-p-p-y-w-a-s-h dot com

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yeah i don't know how i missed the happy

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wash i have no idea what how that slipped

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my mind you know i go to the happy wash

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every day and i missed it so go check

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out the happy wash owned basically the

47:31.300 --> 47:33.180
happy wash is a laundromat where

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sometimes people are doing more than

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their laundry apparently really it's not

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a prawn site it's just that some people

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i guess they set up a surveillance camera

47:41.100 --> 47:43.520
in their security camera and i guess

47:43.520 --> 47:45.340
caught some people doing other things

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i see so that's the name happy wash

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all right anyway uh let's uh get out of

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the mailbag here and let's move on to

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some boy that was a lot of email you

47:58.160 --> 47:59.660
realize how far we are into the show

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uh no how what's our minutes right now

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we are 46 minutes into the show before

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mixing and everything

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wow this show flew by

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i'm telling you man that was

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whoo and actually i've got a lot of show

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and tell to talk about should i go first

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or do you want to go or

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you can go first uh i got a little bit

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yeah i'll try to make it quick because

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boy um well first of all i've been

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working on my car i was working on my

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car this weekend and actually droops and

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obfuscated called me while i was

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working on my car i don't know if that's

48:30.820 --> 48:32.880
uh if they're going to use that sound

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bite or that clip on their show or not

48:34.780 --> 48:36.920
um oh by the way shouts to them welcome

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to rant radio um i gave a presentation

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at my defcon meeting this weekend

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saturday was our defcon meeting and um

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we worked out some ideas the logistics of

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when the defcon meeting is

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they've only had two it just started

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fairly recently so we're just getting it

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off the ground

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uh when i say we i i've gone to both of

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them i'm not really setting that up but

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i'm trying you know i'm willing to help

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out

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kind of talked about when we're going to

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schedule it how we're going to work out

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some um

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some presentations and projects and stuff

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like that

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and speaking of projects

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here's a horrible horribly big teaser

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that that people will hate me for

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we actually ended the meeting i guess

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around 10 11 o'clock at night but we

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ended up standing out there talking

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till about 2 a.m

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working on some very very very

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preliminary ideas for a huge huge project

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yeah

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and lucky knows about it and ddp knows

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about it um

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it but you know what it's so early i

49:39.640 --> 49:41.000
don't know that it will ever take off

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the ground it'll ever get it off the

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ground if it'll ever take off it's a

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whole

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whole lot of work

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and um but

49:47.800 --> 49:50.840
we had some very good ideas and some

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very positive

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discussion about it so

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if that comes through we will start

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letting people know when the time is

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right

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so how's that for a teaser

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i'm gonna get so many emails about

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how people hate it when i do that

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yeah i hate it

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yeah i know

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wouldn't even let me throw a little

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teaser in there

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no no because you'll go too far

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you'll give it away

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whatever

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keep listening

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i'm gonna throw some in there

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uh anyway i also the other project

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i've been working on is i finally set

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up a file server

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for the office here for here at the

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the hack cave whatever the whatever

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this room is called

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finally set up a file server in the

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house i have a

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i always i have so many computers

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here i've got one two three four

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five i've got five computers running

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and a laptop when i need it

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and i have files on all of them

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and they're scattered here and there

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and it gets kind of frustrating when i

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want to find what i'm what i'm looking

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for

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so this is something i've been wanting

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to do for the past year to year or

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two easily is get everything into one

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file server one central location

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and have everything stored in one spot

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so it's easy to find and i finally

51:03.000 --> 51:06.520
finally did that so i have a 1.5

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terabyte server

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sitting right next to me if you hear

51:09.420 --> 51:11.020
loud extra loud buzzing today

51:11.020 --> 51:12.100
worse than usual

51:12.100 --> 51:14.180
it's because i got this big server

51:14.180 --> 51:16.680
i had to buy a new power supply

51:16.680 --> 51:19.480
i put extra fans in there i've got

51:19.480 --> 51:22.580
six 250 gig hard drives in there and a

51:22.580 --> 51:23.520
raid 5 array

51:23.520 --> 51:25.520
so there's a lot of

51:25.520 --> 51:27.140
a lot of movement going on in that

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box over there and i have the sides

51:28.600 --> 51:29.700
off of it right now because i'm

51:29.700 --> 51:30.700
working on it so

51:30.700 --> 51:31.480
wow

51:31.480 --> 51:33.660
yeah it's it's a mess and and i'll

51:33.660 --> 51:35.020
have that closed up that's how

51:35.020 --> 51:36.700
closed i i mean when i say i've just

51:36.700 --> 51:38.280
got that done i mean i haven't put the

51:38.280 --> 51:39.620
sides on the box yet

51:39.620 --> 51:42.000
i haven't screwed the sides back on

51:42.000 --> 51:42.600
yet so

51:42.600 --> 51:45.040
that's what i've been working on here

51:45.040 --> 51:46.980
and there as much as i have free

51:46.980 --> 51:48.640
time which isn't very much so

51:48.640 --> 51:51.480
over the next week or so i will be

51:51.480 --> 51:52.900
going through the process of moving

51:52.900 --> 51:54.000
stuff over to it getting it

51:54.000 --> 51:56.180
organized making an mp3 drive making

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a whatever

51:56.760 --> 51:59.080
and by the way just for the record

51:59.080 --> 52:01.940
it takes a hell of a long time to

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format 1.5 terabytes

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holy crap it ran all day and all night

52:07.820 --> 52:11.380
no joke it takes a long time to set

52:11.380 --> 52:11.760
that up

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yeah i bet

52:12.500 --> 52:13.880
wow

52:13.880 --> 52:16.180
so anyway yeah that's it for me that's

52:16.180 --> 52:17.200
that's enough

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i'm lucky i i'm lucky i can mix in

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some sleep once in a while to that

52:21.440 --> 52:22.060
agenda

52:22.060 --> 52:23.360
well

52:23.360 --> 52:24.680
so what do you got

52:24.680 --> 52:27.520
for me uh as you know stink uh

52:27.520 --> 52:29.140
throughout the week i've been doing

52:29.140 --> 52:30.080
some phone freaking

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no you

52:31.380 --> 52:32.380
yeah

52:32.380 --> 52:33.060
freaking

52:33.060 --> 52:35.620
yeah some stuff that i can't talk

52:35.620 --> 52:37.020
about on the show unfortunately

52:37.020 --> 52:38.580
oh i hate it when you do that

52:38.580 --> 52:39.720
however

52:39.720 --> 52:42.980
however there's something planned

52:42.980 --> 52:44.660
coming up um

52:44.660 --> 52:48.340
maybe sometime in the near future

52:48.340 --> 52:49.700
i'm not sure it might be a couple

52:49.700 --> 52:50.480
months from now

52:50.480 --> 52:51.960
maybe you can debut it in miami

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yeah

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oh

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yeah maybe

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um

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possibly

52:57.860 --> 52:58.660
um

52:58.660 --> 52:59.440
however

52:59.440 --> 53:01.820
it should be

53:01.820 --> 53:03.720
i should be able to talk about this

53:03.720 --> 53:04.860
sometime in the future

53:04.860 --> 53:05.680
on your show

53:05.680 --> 53:06.280
okay

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it should be

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it'll be pretty awesome

53:08.220 --> 53:10.200
uh your listeners will appreciate it

53:10.200 --> 53:11.380
i don't know that i know they know

53:11.380 --> 53:13.400
i know they don't know what the hell

53:13.400 --> 53:14.460
i'm talking about but

53:14.460 --> 53:16.020
when it comes out they're going to

53:16.020 --> 53:16.340
be like

53:16.340 --> 53:16.920
well fear

53:16.920 --> 53:18.600
they they will appreciate it i'll

53:18.600 --> 53:19.660
give you that i know what it is

53:19.660 --> 53:20.160
and it yeah

53:20.160 --> 53:21.500
it's pretty cool stuff

53:21.500 --> 53:22.700
um

53:22.700 --> 53:24.000
other than that

53:24.000 --> 53:26.440
something related but not

53:26.440 --> 53:29.320
i've been playing with uh

53:29.320 --> 53:29.620
my

53:29.620 --> 53:31.540
i was talking to my friend scott

53:31.540 --> 53:33.200
uh scott free

53:33.200 --> 53:34.240
uh some of you

53:34.240 --> 53:35.740
some of our listeners might know

53:35.740 --> 53:36.040
uh

53:36.040 --> 53:37.540
from the socal bridge

53:37.540 --> 53:38.520
he's the one who set up

53:38.520 --> 53:40.100
the old socal bridge

53:40.100 --> 53:41.240
which was on uh

53:41.240 --> 53:43.540
909-661-1119

53:43.540 --> 53:44.860
it's not there anymore now

53:44.860 --> 53:45.700
it's just a party line

53:45.700 --> 53:46.940
but um

53:46.940 --> 53:49.440
i was talking to him

53:49.440 --> 53:50.620
because he's an old school freak

53:50.620 --> 53:53.060
and he was telling me about the switch

53:53.060 --> 53:55.360
out in pentacles california

53:55.360 --> 53:59.980
and that's prefix 831-389

53:59.980 --> 54:02.560
and he told me it's this uh

54:02.560 --> 54:04.200
basically it's this little c-lec

54:04.200 --> 54:06.180
uh it's basically ran by one guy

54:06.180 --> 54:07.420
some one man telco

54:07.420 --> 54:09.440
and

54:09.440 --> 54:11.560
he told me uh

54:11.560 --> 54:13.000
389-4500

54:13.000 --> 54:14.220
used to be uh

54:14.220 --> 54:15.500
the operator

54:15.500 --> 54:18.380
and i guess 4411 used to be information

54:18.380 --> 54:19.340
it's not anymore

54:19.340 --> 54:21.780
4611 used to be repair

54:21.780 --> 54:22.800
that's not

54:22.800 --> 54:23.680
that's not there either

54:23.680 --> 54:24.420
and i guess

54:24.420 --> 54:25.540
he said it used to be

54:25.540 --> 54:26.280
the guy would answer

54:26.280 --> 54:27.600
on all three of those extensions

54:27.600 --> 54:29.620
um

54:29.620 --> 54:30.380
now

54:30.380 --> 54:33.920
the 4411 and 4611

54:33.920 --> 54:35.940
are real phone numbers on that switch

54:35.940 --> 54:36.520
at the residence

54:36.520 --> 54:37.960
so don't even bother calling

54:37.960 --> 54:39.020
um

54:39.020 --> 54:40.620
4500 however

54:40.620 --> 54:42.920
is the pentacles telephone company operator

54:42.920 --> 54:44.620
um

54:44.620 --> 54:46.640
and

54:46.640 --> 54:47.640
just out of curiosity

54:47.640 --> 54:48.860
i called her up

54:48.860 --> 54:49.260
and uh

54:49.260 --> 54:49.840
uh

54:49.840 --> 54:51.020
she answered the phone

54:51.020 --> 54:52.580
pentacles telephone company operator

54:52.580 --> 54:53.640
how may i help you

54:53.640 --> 54:55.300
and i asked her uh

54:55.300 --> 54:57.320
yeah could you transfer me to AT&T please

54:57.320 --> 54:58.780
she told me i'm sorry sir

54:58.780 --> 55:00.580
uh you're gonna need to hang up and dial 00

55:00.580 --> 55:01.820
i can't transfer date

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i can't transfer to long distance carriers

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i go oh

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well uh

55:06.240 --> 55:09.240
what exactly does the pentacles telephone company operator do

55:09.240 --> 55:11.000
and she replies

55:11.000 --> 55:12.360
well basically uh

55:12.360 --> 55:14.740
customers call us and ask the long distance carriers

55:14.740 --> 55:16.540
and we just tell them to hang up and dial 00

55:16.540 --> 55:21.540
that's a job man

55:21.540 --> 55:21.900
that's a

55:21.900 --> 55:22.900
that's a good job

55:22.900 --> 55:23.440
i'm uh

55:23.440 --> 55:23.740
well

55:23.740 --> 55:25.900
why don't they have a recording to do that

55:25.900 --> 55:27.780
well

55:27.780 --> 55:28.580
so i ask her

55:28.580 --> 55:28.860
i'm all

55:28.860 --> 55:29.480
so

55:29.480 --> 55:30.800
you don't assist

55:30.800 --> 55:32.980
you don't assist in placing calls

55:32.980 --> 55:33.960
like uh

55:33.960 --> 55:36.680
you know if i was having trouble dialing a number or something

55:36.680 --> 55:37.340
she's all

55:37.340 --> 55:39.340
well we can place a local call for you

55:39.340 --> 55:40.060
but that's it

55:40.060 --> 55:41.220
i go oh

55:41.220 --> 55:42.600
okay um

55:42.600 --> 55:45.520
go ahead and place a local call for me

55:45.520 --> 55:46.460
and she says sure

55:46.460 --> 55:47.120
what's the number

55:47.120 --> 55:48.420
i tell her

55:48.420 --> 55:49.260
389

55:49.260 --> 55:50.820
4500

55:50.820 --> 55:53.020
which is the number for her

55:53.020 --> 55:54.900
and uh

55:54.900 --> 55:55.760
okay

55:55.760 --> 55:57.520
she says okay

55:57.520 --> 55:58.840
20 cents please

55:58.840 --> 56:00.440
and i go

56:00.440 --> 56:01.340
20 cents

56:01.340 --> 56:02.480
what do you mean 20 cents

56:02.480 --> 56:03.660
and she goes

56:03.660 --> 56:05.620
well sir you're calling from a payphone aren't you

56:05.620 --> 56:08.100
and i'm like

56:08.100 --> 56:09.700
well i guess i could be

56:09.700 --> 56:12.220
i go hold on

56:12.220 --> 56:14.860
i go hold on one second

56:14.860 --> 56:16.280
20 cents she said right

56:16.280 --> 56:16.960
she goes

56:16.960 --> 56:17.280
yep

56:17.280 --> 56:21.200
well

56:21.200 --> 56:23.540
she goes all right thank you for

56:23.540 --> 56:25.620
thank you for using pinnacle telephone company

56:25.620 --> 56:26.760
one moment please

56:26.760 --> 56:28.540
she places me on hold right

56:28.540 --> 56:29.400
and she

56:29.400 --> 56:32.360
are you making this up

56:32.360 --> 56:33.680
i'm not making this up

56:33.680 --> 56:34.860
this is a true story

56:34.860 --> 56:36.400
she places me on hold

56:36.400 --> 56:39.960
i guess she's trying to call the phone number

56:39.960 --> 56:42.780
her other phone starts ringing

56:42.780 --> 56:44.520
she answers it and tells the customer

56:44.520 --> 56:45.280
that or

56:45.280 --> 56:46.840
she thinks there's a customer there

56:46.840 --> 56:47.680
so she answers it

56:47.680 --> 56:49.400
tells that customer to hold on

56:49.400 --> 56:51.780
and at the same time

56:51.780 --> 56:54.100
she's on the other phone

56:54.100 --> 56:54.620
that's ringing

56:54.620 --> 56:55.880
which is now answered

56:55.880 --> 56:57.280
and she keeps doing this

56:57.280 --> 56:57.960
i guess she did it

56:57.960 --> 56:58.760
two or three times

56:58.760 --> 57:00.100
she comes back to me

57:00.100 --> 57:00.720
and she says

57:00.720 --> 57:02.120
um

57:02.120 --> 57:03.400
there seems to be some trouble

57:03.400 --> 57:04.360
with that number sir

57:04.360 --> 57:05.560
i keep calling it

57:05.560 --> 57:06.340
someone answers

57:06.340 --> 57:07.720
and then they uh

57:07.720 --> 57:08.660
they just hang up

57:08.660 --> 57:09.540
they don't say anything

57:09.540 --> 57:11.400
you've got to be kidding

57:11.400 --> 57:12.300
i am not kidding

57:12.300 --> 57:13.180
she doesn't recognize

57:13.180 --> 57:13.920
her own number

57:13.920 --> 57:16.080
this is a hundred percent

57:16.080 --> 57:17.380
true story man

57:17.380 --> 57:18.540
i have to hear that

57:18.540 --> 57:19.180
we have to put that

57:19.180 --> 57:20.480
on the telephonic craptacular

57:20.480 --> 57:21.200
if that's true

57:21.200 --> 57:22.080
yeah uh

57:22.080 --> 57:22.400
well

57:22.400 --> 57:24.000
i'll uh

57:24.000 --> 57:24.880
i'll record something

57:24.880 --> 57:25.680
like it tomorrow

57:25.680 --> 57:26.220
or something

57:26.220 --> 57:26.800
all right

57:26.800 --> 57:27.500
i don't know

57:27.500 --> 57:28.100
i don't want to call

57:28.100 --> 57:29.120
the same number again

57:29.120 --> 57:30.240
i don't want her calling herself

57:30.240 --> 57:31.720
i think she figured that one out

57:31.720 --> 57:32.920
after i fucked with her

57:32.920 --> 57:35.160
she said hold on

57:35.160 --> 57:36.100
let me try it again

57:36.100 --> 57:37.000
and

57:37.000 --> 57:38.600
a couple minutes later

57:38.600 --> 57:39.820
she just hung up on me

57:39.820 --> 57:40.620
without even saying

57:40.620 --> 57:42.040
like anything else

57:42.040 --> 57:44.960
either that

57:44.960 --> 57:46.260
or she got really confused

57:46.260 --> 57:47.640
on which position was me

57:47.640 --> 57:48.200
yeah

57:48.200 --> 57:48.660
that's

57:48.660 --> 57:49.820
that might be more likely

57:49.820 --> 57:50.780
yeah

57:50.780 --> 57:51.340
um

57:51.340 --> 57:53.140
anyways

57:53.140 --> 57:54.360
after seven o'clock

57:54.360 --> 57:54.760
however

57:54.760 --> 57:57.080
it goes to an answering service

57:57.080 --> 57:58.300
which basically tells you

57:58.300 --> 57:59.620
to hang up and dial zero zero

57:59.620 --> 58:01.220
and that answering service

58:01.220 --> 58:02.300
cannot place calls

58:02.300 --> 58:03.500
um

58:03.500 --> 58:04.960
so you can only do

58:04.960 --> 58:06.360
the little red boxing trick

58:06.360 --> 58:06.680
uh

58:06.680 --> 58:07.500
during the day

58:07.500 --> 58:09.580
uh-huh

58:09.580 --> 58:10.860
um

58:10.860 --> 58:12.440
other than that

58:12.440 --> 58:12.840
that was my

58:12.840 --> 58:13.820
that was my little story

58:13.820 --> 58:14.880
i thought it was pretty funny

58:14.880 --> 58:15.920
yeah that was pretty good

58:15.920 --> 58:16.700
i like that one

58:16.700 --> 58:18.660
i like that one

58:18.660 --> 58:19.560
i need to have that kind of story

58:19.560 --> 58:20.000
more often

58:20.000 --> 58:20.540
that was funny

58:20.540 --> 58:21.500
yeah

58:21.500 --> 58:22.860
all right

58:22.860 --> 58:23.620
anything else

58:23.620 --> 58:24.500
before we leave

58:24.500 --> 58:25.180
the show and tell

58:25.180 --> 58:26.580
uh

58:26.580 --> 58:26.880
no

58:26.880 --> 58:27.780
i think we can leave

58:27.780 --> 58:28.380
the show and tell

58:28.380 --> 58:29.040
all right

58:29.040 --> 58:29.940
good deal

58:29.940 --> 58:30.660
good deal

58:30.660 --> 58:31.660
um

58:31.660 --> 58:32.160
well

58:32.160 --> 58:33.420
let's hit

58:33.420 --> 58:34.660
what's kind of our

58:34.660 --> 58:35.960
semi-main topic

58:35.960 --> 58:36.520
i guess today

58:36.520 --> 58:37.560
we don't have a whole lot of time

58:37.560 --> 58:37.960
we're about

58:37.960 --> 58:39.580
we're about an hour right now

58:39.580 --> 58:41.280
um

58:41.280 --> 58:42.860
but

58:42.860 --> 58:43.680
we've got enough time

58:43.680 --> 58:44.660
to cover this i think

58:44.660 --> 58:45.120
um

58:45.120 --> 58:46.400
because you know what

58:46.400 --> 58:47.520
i don't have enough information

58:47.520 --> 58:48.060
on it yet

58:48.060 --> 58:48.580
anyway

58:48.580 --> 58:49.620
um

58:49.620 --> 58:50.600
but it is

58:50.600 --> 58:52.100
basically microsoft's

58:52.100 --> 58:53.240
new search engine

58:53.240 --> 58:53.980
they have a

58:53.980 --> 58:55.060
top secret

58:55.060 --> 58:55.640
as they say

58:55.640 --> 58:57.100
top secret new search engine

58:57.100 --> 58:58.580
and not only

58:58.580 --> 58:59.780
not only for the web

58:59.780 --> 59:00.860
but

59:00.860 --> 59:02.680
the technology

59:02.680 --> 59:03.900
also is going to be used

59:03.900 --> 59:04.440
i guess

59:04.440 --> 59:04.980
i would assume

59:04.980 --> 59:05.740
in longhorn

59:05.740 --> 59:07.120
or maybe

59:07.120 --> 59:07.740
in updating

59:07.740 --> 59:08.900
xp

59:08.900 --> 59:09.380
at some point

59:09.380 --> 59:09.780
in the future

59:09.780 --> 59:10.060
there will be

59:10.060 --> 59:10.720
some kind of update

59:10.720 --> 59:11.080
they do

59:11.080 --> 59:12.160
some kind of new engine

59:12.160 --> 59:13.380
for searching

59:13.380 --> 59:14.700
for information

59:14.700 --> 59:15.420
obviously

59:15.420 --> 59:17.040
so

59:17.040 --> 59:18.460
they had a conference

59:18.460 --> 59:18.980
something called

59:18.980 --> 59:20.700
the search champs

59:20.700 --> 59:21.440
which yeah

59:21.440 --> 59:21.680
i know

59:21.680 --> 59:22.660
sounds really lame

59:22.660 --> 59:24.340
i'm a search champ

59:24.340 --> 59:25.000
yay

59:25.000 --> 59:27.260
but they had something

59:27.260 --> 59:28.160
called the search champs

59:28.580 --> 59:29.100
conference

59:29.100 --> 59:29.720
which was this

59:29.720 --> 59:31.140
invite only conference

59:31.140 --> 59:32.060
where they brought

59:32.060 --> 59:33.160
people up to redmond

59:33.160 --> 59:33.660
and i guess

59:33.660 --> 59:34.360
gave demos

59:34.360 --> 59:35.420
and stuff like that

59:35.420 --> 59:37.180
and of course

59:37.180 --> 59:37.800
you know

59:37.800 --> 59:38.320
some people

59:38.320 --> 59:39.220
leaked the information

59:39.220 --> 59:40.140
so i've been

59:40.140 --> 59:40.840
kind of reading up

59:40.840 --> 59:41.500
on some of this

59:41.500 --> 59:41.880
and i thought

59:41.880 --> 59:42.680
we'd talk about it

59:42.680 --> 59:43.120
a little bit

59:43.120 --> 59:43.820
you know

59:43.820 --> 59:44.760
what's real interesting

59:44.760 --> 59:45.500
is how did they

59:45.500 --> 59:46.480
leak the information

59:46.480 --> 59:46.920
stank

59:46.920 --> 59:48.560
um

59:48.560 --> 59:49.040
i guess

59:49.040 --> 59:50.600
most of what i found

59:50.600 --> 59:52.040
was people blogging

59:52.040 --> 59:53.060
people blogging

59:53.060 --> 59:53.320
you know

59:53.320 --> 59:53.800
that's another

59:53.800 --> 59:54.240
that's another

59:54.240 --> 59:54.960
great topic

59:54.960 --> 59:55.580
but go on

59:55.580 --> 59:55.920
yeah

59:55.920 --> 59:56.580
well we can

59:56.580 --> 59:57.040
you know what

59:57.040 --> 59:57.920
i don't know

59:57.920 --> 59:58.400
that we've done

59:58.400 --> 59:58.920
a show

59:58.920 --> 59:59.500
we've talked

59:59.500 --> 01:00:00.140
about blogging

01:00:00.140 --> 01:00:00.500
but i don't know

01:00:00.500 --> 01:00:00.800
if we've done

01:00:00.800 --> 01:00:01.300
a show

01:00:01.300 --> 01:00:03.000
specifically about

01:00:03.000 --> 01:00:03.840
everyone leaks

01:00:03.840 --> 01:00:05.240
information on blogs

01:00:05.240 --> 01:00:06.260
everyone

01:00:06.260 --> 01:00:07.140
they leave their

01:00:07.140 --> 01:00:08.160
phone numbers in there

01:00:08.160 --> 01:00:08.980
telling their friends

01:00:08.980 --> 01:00:09.580
to call them

01:00:09.580 --> 01:00:10.180
they're idiots

01:00:10.180 --> 01:00:10.640
anyway

01:00:10.640 --> 01:00:11.240
go on

01:00:11.240 --> 01:00:11.660
yeah well

01:00:11.660 --> 01:00:12.080
you know what

01:00:12.080 --> 01:00:13.080
let's do that

01:00:13.080 --> 01:00:13.620
let's make that

01:00:13.620 --> 01:00:14.380
a topic for an

01:00:14.380 --> 01:00:15.020
upcoming show

01:00:15.020 --> 01:00:16.100
all about blogs

01:00:16.100 --> 01:00:17.040
because there's a

01:00:17.040 --> 01:00:17.640
lot of stuff

01:00:17.640 --> 01:00:18.840
to be found on blogs

01:00:18.840 --> 01:00:19.880
but it's a lot

01:00:19.880 --> 01:00:20.460
of crap too

01:00:20.460 --> 01:00:20.740
so

01:00:20.740 --> 01:00:22.720
so it's kind of

01:00:22.720 --> 01:00:23.320
hard to find

01:00:23.320 --> 01:00:23.680
a difference

01:00:23.680 --> 01:00:24.240
well i found

01:00:24.240 --> 01:00:24.840
some pretty decent

01:00:24.840 --> 01:00:25.440
stuff on

01:00:25.440 --> 01:00:26.360
on some blogs

01:00:26.360 --> 01:00:26.960
of people who

01:00:26.960 --> 01:00:27.740
attended this

01:00:27.740 --> 01:00:29.200
and

01:00:29.200 --> 01:00:30.580
and actually

01:00:30.580 --> 01:00:31.140
it's kind of

01:00:31.140 --> 01:00:31.440
funny

01:00:31.440 --> 01:00:32.680
i did

01:00:32.680 --> 01:00:35.020
let me be careful

01:00:35.020 --> 01:00:35.880
with my words

01:00:35.880 --> 01:00:36.420
here

01:00:36.420 --> 01:00:37.500
what

01:00:37.500 --> 01:00:39.100
i did

01:00:39.100 --> 01:00:40.600
i was able to

01:00:40.600 --> 01:00:41.460
find a little bit

01:00:41.460 --> 01:00:42.200
more information

01:00:42.200 --> 01:00:43.460
on microsoft's

01:00:43.460 --> 01:00:43.740
site

01:00:43.740 --> 01:00:44.820
about this

01:00:44.820 --> 01:00:46.080
i see

01:00:46.080 --> 01:00:47.240
and

01:00:47.240 --> 01:00:47.900
um

01:00:47.900 --> 01:00:48.720
yeah

01:00:48.720 --> 01:00:49.080
was this

01:00:49.080 --> 01:00:49.540
was this

01:00:49.540 --> 01:00:50.340
the same way

01:00:50.340 --> 01:00:50.860
you renewed

01:00:50.860 --> 01:00:51.300
your license

01:00:51.300 --> 01:00:54.460
no you did

01:00:54.460 --> 01:00:54.980
not call

01:00:54.980 --> 01:00:55.480
me out

01:00:55.480 --> 01:00:56.760
um

01:00:56.760 --> 01:00:58.180
no this

01:00:58.180 --> 01:00:58.820
was not so

01:00:58.820 --> 01:00:59.280
but no

01:00:59.280 --> 01:00:59.820
no no no

01:00:59.820 --> 01:01:00.260
i just went

01:01:00.260 --> 01:01:00.780
looking in the

01:01:00.780 --> 01:01:01.220
right place

01:01:01.220 --> 01:01:01.780
and found it

01:01:01.780 --> 01:01:02.660
but it was

01:01:02.660 --> 01:01:03.220
i was i did

01:01:03.220 --> 01:01:03.760
not know that

01:01:03.760 --> 01:01:04.280
this place

01:01:04.280 --> 01:01:04.900
existed on

01:01:04.900 --> 01:01:05.260
microsoft

01:01:05.260 --> 01:01:05.760
sites

01:01:05.760 --> 01:01:06.020
i did

01:01:06.020 --> 01:01:06.480
know i

01:01:06.480 --> 01:01:06.800
did not

01:01:06.800 --> 01:01:07.280
know that

01:01:07.280 --> 01:01:07.680
i could

01:01:07.680 --> 01:01:08.620
there's a lot

01:01:08.620 --> 01:01:08.900
of good

01:01:08.900 --> 01:01:09.280
stuff there

01:01:09.280 --> 01:01:09.600
anyway

01:01:09.600 --> 01:01:10.640
um

01:01:10.640 --> 01:01:12.440
basically what

01:01:12.440 --> 01:01:12.840
they're doing

01:01:12.840 --> 01:01:13.240
here and i'm

01:01:13.240 --> 01:01:13.580
going to read

01:01:13.580 --> 01:01:14.140
a few quotes

01:01:14.140 --> 01:01:14.740
from some of

01:01:14.740 --> 01:01:15.180
the blogs

01:01:15.180 --> 01:01:15.700
because

01:01:15.700 --> 01:01:17.420
basically they

01:01:17.420 --> 01:01:17.880
worded it

01:01:17.880 --> 01:01:18.480
pretty straightforward

01:01:18.480 --> 01:01:19.420
already

01:01:19.420 --> 01:01:20.440
um

01:01:20.440 --> 01:01:20.860
but what

01:01:20.860 --> 01:01:21.040
they're

01:01:21.040 --> 01:01:21.600
what they've

01:01:21.600 --> 01:01:22.120
done is

01:01:22.120 --> 01:01:22.640
they've made

01:01:22.640 --> 01:01:23.240
a quote

01:01:23.240 --> 01:01:23.980
a personalized

01:01:23.980 --> 01:01:25.260
search tool

01:01:25.260 --> 01:01:26.240
that lets you

01:01:26.240 --> 01:01:26.740
do a web

01:01:26.740 --> 01:01:27.160
search

01:01:27.160 --> 01:01:28.540
then drag a

01:01:28.540 --> 01:01:29.200
slider to

01:01:29.200 --> 01:01:29.520
make the

01:01:29.520 --> 01:01:30.380
results more

01:01:30.380 --> 01:01:31.380
customized based

01:01:31.380 --> 01:01:31.840
on what your

01:01:31.840 --> 01:01:32.580
local computer

01:01:32.580 --> 01:01:33.220
knows about

01:01:33.220 --> 01:01:33.480
you

01:01:33.480 --> 01:01:34.860
it's a split

01:01:34.860 --> 01:01:35.660
screen result

01:01:35.660 --> 01:01:36.100
so you see

01:01:36.100 --> 01:01:36.620
the original

01:01:36.620 --> 01:01:37.400
results on

01:01:37.400 --> 01:01:37.820
the left

01:01:37.820 --> 01:01:38.500
and the

01:01:38.500 --> 01:01:39.040
increasingly

01:01:39.040 --> 01:01:39.800
personalized

01:01:39.800 --> 01:01:41.200
results on

01:01:41.200 --> 01:01:41.600
the right

01:01:41.600 --> 01:01:42.220
very very

01:01:42.220 --> 01:01:42.680
cool

01:01:42.680 --> 01:01:45.140
so and

01:01:45.140 --> 01:01:45.540
they also

01:01:45.540 --> 01:01:45.960
kept

01:01:45.960 --> 01:01:46.320
they said

01:01:46.320 --> 01:01:47.100
all the

01:01:47.100 --> 01:01:47.520
bloggers

01:01:47.520 --> 01:01:48.380
use this

01:01:48.380 --> 01:01:48.840
phrase

01:01:48.840 --> 01:01:49.120
about

01:01:49.120 --> 01:01:49.440
i guess

01:01:49.440 --> 01:01:49.840
they dropped

01:01:49.840 --> 01:01:50.600
this buzzword

01:01:50.600 --> 01:01:50.940
or this

01:01:50.940 --> 01:01:51.780
this phrase

01:01:51.780 --> 01:01:52.640
a lot

01:01:52.640 --> 01:01:53.000
at this

01:01:53.000 --> 01:01:53.360
conference

01:01:53.360 --> 01:01:53.660
and it

01:01:53.660 --> 01:01:54.020
says

01:01:54.020 --> 01:01:55.200
um

01:01:55.200 --> 01:01:56.120
they're trying

01:01:56.120 --> 01:01:56.640
to change

01:01:56.640 --> 01:01:56.980
from the

01:01:56.980 --> 01:01:57.620
idea of

01:01:57.620 --> 01:01:58.040
does the

01:01:58.040 --> 01:01:58.420
page

01:01:58.420 --> 01:01:58.860
contain

01:01:58.860 --> 01:01:59.320
the query

01:01:59.320 --> 01:01:59.820
terms

01:01:59.820 --> 01:02:00.440
to

01:02:00.440 --> 01:02:01.040
does the

01:02:01.040 --> 01:02:01.400
page

01:02:01.400 --> 01:02:01.960
satisfy

01:02:01.960 --> 01:02:02.220
the

01:02:02.220 --> 01:02:02.740
information

01:02:02.740 --> 01:02:03.340
need

01:02:03.340 --> 01:02:04.520
yeah

01:02:04.520 --> 01:02:04.740
you know

01:02:04.740 --> 01:02:05.280
because a lot

01:02:05.280 --> 01:02:05.540
of times

01:02:05.540 --> 01:02:05.760
you get

01:02:05.760 --> 01:02:06.340
results for

01:02:06.340 --> 01:02:07.300
query terms

01:02:07.300 --> 01:02:07.600
that are

01:02:07.600 --> 01:02:08.060
irrelevant

01:02:08.060 --> 01:02:08.420
of what

01:02:08.420 --> 01:02:08.620
you were

01:02:08.620 --> 01:02:08.880
looking

01:02:08.880 --> 01:02:09.300
for

01:02:09.300 --> 01:02:09.820
well you

01:02:09.820 --> 01:02:09.960
know

01:02:09.960 --> 01:02:10.220
and i

01:02:10.220 --> 01:02:10.480
like

01:02:10.480 --> 01:02:11.180
query terms

01:02:11.180 --> 01:02:11.700
but like

01:02:11.700 --> 01:02:12.000
google

01:02:12.000 --> 01:02:12.520
seriously

01:02:12.520 --> 01:02:12.920
sucks

01:02:12.920 --> 01:02:13.460
especially

01:02:13.460 --> 01:02:13.860
when you're

01:02:13.860 --> 01:02:14.360
searching for

01:02:14.360 --> 01:02:15.020
phone numbers

01:02:15.020 --> 01:02:15.940
and all it

01:02:15.940 --> 01:02:16.380
brings up

01:02:16.380 --> 01:02:16.860
is like

01:02:16.860 --> 01:02:17.620
you know

01:02:17.620 --> 01:02:18.420
math equations

01:02:18.420 --> 01:02:18.940
and shit

01:02:18.940 --> 01:02:19.600
yeah

01:02:19.600 --> 01:02:20.300
sometimes

01:02:20.300 --> 01:02:21.280
it's

01:02:21.280 --> 01:02:21.560
yeah the

01:02:21.560 --> 01:02:21.800
phones

01:02:21.800 --> 01:02:22.320
the way

01:02:22.320 --> 01:02:22.600
they've done

01:02:22.600 --> 01:02:23.200
phones has

01:02:23.200 --> 01:02:24.080
been crappy

01:02:24.080 --> 01:02:24.380
lately

01:02:24.380 --> 01:02:24.720
i don't know

01:02:24.720 --> 01:02:25.120
what change

01:02:25.120 --> 01:02:25.440
they made

01:02:25.440 --> 01:02:25.960
but i noticed

01:02:25.960 --> 01:02:26.580
that also

01:02:26.580 --> 01:02:27.440
yeah

01:02:27.440 --> 01:02:28.060
so

01:02:28.060 --> 01:02:30.120
and you know

01:02:30.120 --> 01:02:30.360
what else

01:02:30.360 --> 01:02:30.960
i get a lot

01:02:30.960 --> 01:02:31.380
they've

01:02:31.380 --> 01:02:33.200
statistics

01:02:33.200 --> 01:02:35.320
and math

01:02:35.320 --> 01:02:35.840
equations

01:02:35.840 --> 01:02:36.220
and stuff

01:02:36.220 --> 01:02:36.600
like that

01:02:36.600 --> 01:02:36.840
when i'm

01:02:36.840 --> 01:02:37.260
searching for

01:02:37.260 --> 01:02:37.520
a phone

01:02:37.520 --> 01:02:37.720
number

01:02:37.720 --> 01:02:38.220
just because

01:02:38.220 --> 01:02:38.620
it happens

01:02:38.620 --> 01:02:39.020
to have

01:02:39.020 --> 01:02:39.540
the sequence

01:02:39.540 --> 01:02:39.940
of numbers

01:02:39.940 --> 01:02:40.280
in the

01:02:40.280 --> 01:02:40.680
equation

01:02:40.680 --> 01:02:42.140
you know

01:02:42.140 --> 01:02:43.040
i do a

01:02:43.040 --> 01:02:43.340
search for

01:02:43.340 --> 01:02:43.600
a phone

01:02:43.600 --> 01:02:43.820
number

01:02:43.820 --> 01:02:44.180
and i get

01:02:44.180 --> 01:02:44.380
like

01:02:44.380 --> 01:02:44.840
distributed

01:02:44.840 --> 01:02:45.340
dot net

01:02:45.340 --> 01:02:45.780
page

01:02:45.780 --> 01:02:46.180
of somebody

01:02:46.180 --> 01:02:46.620
who has

01:02:46.620 --> 01:02:47.180
those numbers

01:02:47.180 --> 01:02:47.600
as their

01:02:47.600 --> 01:02:48.280
as their

01:02:48.280 --> 01:02:48.960
as their

01:02:48.960 --> 01:02:49.460
stats

01:02:49.460 --> 01:02:51.060
like come

01:02:51.060 --> 01:02:51.280
on

01:02:51.280 --> 01:02:51.540
you'll be

01:02:51.540 --> 01:02:52.040
smart about

01:02:52.040 --> 01:02:52.160
it

01:02:52.160 --> 01:02:52.560
and that's

01:02:52.560 --> 01:02:53.200
that's

01:02:53.200 --> 01:02:53.500
basically

01:02:53.500 --> 01:02:53.880
what

01:02:53.880 --> 01:02:54.500
apparently

01:02:54.500 --> 01:02:54.960
microsoft

01:02:54.960 --> 01:02:55.360
is trying

01:02:55.360 --> 01:02:55.720
to do

01:02:55.720 --> 01:02:56.160
now first

01:02:56.160 --> 01:02:56.580
of all

01:02:56.580 --> 01:02:58.480
i did

01:02:58.480 --> 01:02:58.780
you know

01:02:58.780 --> 01:02:59.220
we've talked

01:02:59.220 --> 01:02:59.620
about this

01:02:59.620 --> 01:03:00.000
on before

01:03:00.000 --> 01:03:00.260
i don't

01:03:00.260 --> 01:03:00.480
remember

01:03:00.480 --> 01:03:00.900
how long

01:03:00.900 --> 01:03:01.040
ago

01:03:01.040 --> 01:03:01.380
i mentioned

01:03:01.380 --> 01:03:01.700
on the

01:03:01.700 --> 01:03:02.060
show

01:03:02.060 --> 01:03:03.000
um

01:03:03.000 --> 01:03:03.780
microsoft

01:03:03.780 --> 01:03:04.340
tried to

01:03:04.340 --> 01:03:04.960
buy google

01:03:04.960 --> 01:03:07.180
quite a while

01:03:07.180 --> 01:03:07.500
back

01:03:07.500 --> 01:03:07.900
microsoft

01:03:07.900 --> 01:03:08.440
wanted to

01:03:08.440 --> 01:03:09.100
buy google

01:03:09.100 --> 01:03:10.580
and google

01:03:10.580 --> 01:03:12.520
said no

01:03:12.520 --> 01:03:13.480
i think they

01:03:13.480 --> 01:03:14.080
said yes

01:03:14.080 --> 01:03:14.480
initially

01:03:14.480 --> 01:03:14.800
and then

01:03:14.800 --> 01:03:15.280
backed out

01:03:15.280 --> 01:03:15.480
of it

01:03:15.480 --> 01:03:15.740
when they

01:03:15.740 --> 01:03:16.100
realized

01:03:16.100 --> 01:03:16.400
that they

01:03:16.400 --> 01:03:16.880
were google

01:03:16.880 --> 01:03:18.300
and um

01:03:18.300 --> 01:03:19.620
when that

01:03:19.620 --> 01:03:20.080
happened

01:03:20.080 --> 01:03:20.640
microsoft

01:03:20.640 --> 01:03:21.780
became indignant

01:03:21.780 --> 01:03:22.620
and i guess

01:03:22.620 --> 01:03:23.580
dedicated some

01:03:23.580 --> 01:03:24.100
people and

01:03:24.100 --> 01:03:24.540
resources

01:03:24.540 --> 01:03:25.540
and decided

01:03:25.540 --> 01:03:25.820
they were

01:03:25.820 --> 01:03:26.020
going to

01:03:26.020 --> 01:03:26.500
start doing

01:03:26.500 --> 01:03:27.200
this research

01:03:27.200 --> 01:03:27.700
and i guess

01:03:27.700 --> 01:03:28.160
it's close

01:03:28.160 --> 01:03:28.740
to coming

01:03:28.740 --> 01:03:30.000
to fruition

01:03:30.000 --> 01:03:30.740
now because

01:03:30.740 --> 01:03:32.020
this has been

01:03:32.020 --> 01:03:32.620
quite a while

01:03:32.620 --> 01:03:33.400
back so

01:03:33.400 --> 01:03:34.560
you know

01:03:34.560 --> 01:03:35.980
come on

01:03:35.980 --> 01:03:36.480
google is

01:03:36.480 --> 01:03:37.060
huge

01:03:37.060 --> 01:03:37.740
that's a

01:03:37.740 --> 01:03:38.200
huge

01:03:38.200 --> 01:03:39.140
part of

01:03:39.140 --> 01:03:39.620
the computer

01:03:39.620 --> 01:03:40.160
market

01:03:40.160 --> 01:03:40.540
computer

01:03:40.540 --> 01:03:40.980
industry

01:03:40.980 --> 01:03:41.420
a search

01:03:41.420 --> 01:03:41.780
engine

01:03:41.780 --> 01:03:43.440
and you

01:03:43.440 --> 01:03:43.660
know

01:03:43.660 --> 01:03:44.240
yahoo

01:03:44.240 --> 01:03:44.780
google

01:03:44.780 --> 01:03:45.540
altavista

01:03:45.540 --> 01:03:46.220
all these

01:03:46.220 --> 01:03:46.600
companies

01:03:46.600 --> 01:03:47.380
asked jeeves

01:03:47.380 --> 01:03:47.940
which god

01:03:47.940 --> 01:03:48.320
i hate that

01:03:48.320 --> 01:03:48.620
more than

01:03:48.620 --> 01:03:49.040
anything

01:03:49.040 --> 01:03:50.340
um

01:03:50.340 --> 01:03:51.680
yeah

01:03:51.680 --> 01:03:52.500
jeeves the

01:03:52.500 --> 01:03:52.900
retarded

01:03:52.900 --> 01:03:53.280
butler

01:03:53.280 --> 01:03:53.640
i don't know

01:03:53.640 --> 01:03:53.940
what the

01:03:53.940 --> 01:03:54.080
hell

01:03:54.080 --> 01:03:55.340
his problem

01:03:55.340 --> 01:03:55.700
is

01:03:55.700 --> 01:03:55.940
but

01:03:55.940 --> 01:03:56.640
we should

01:03:56.640 --> 01:03:57.080
ask him

01:03:57.080 --> 01:03:57.560
yeah

01:03:57.560 --> 01:03:58.740
there's some

01:03:58.740 --> 01:03:59.180
funny stuff

01:03:59.180 --> 01:03:59.600
you can ask

01:03:59.600 --> 01:03:59.720
him

01:03:59.720 --> 01:04:00.000
but that's

01:04:00.000 --> 01:04:00.180
another

01:04:00.180 --> 01:04:01.140
um

01:04:01.140 --> 01:04:02.680
but yeah

01:04:02.680 --> 01:04:03.280
they decided

01:04:03.280 --> 01:04:03.640
that they

01:04:03.640 --> 01:04:04.060
wanted the

01:04:04.060 --> 01:04:04.420
cut of that

01:04:04.420 --> 01:04:04.720
money

01:04:04.720 --> 01:04:05.920
microsoft's

01:04:05.920 --> 01:04:06.120
going to

01:04:06.120 --> 01:04:06.680
step in

01:04:06.680 --> 01:04:07.200
and you

01:04:07.200 --> 01:04:07.620
know that

01:04:07.620 --> 01:04:08.240
means that

01:04:08.240 --> 01:04:09.280
every one of

01:04:09.280 --> 01:04:09.740
the microsoft

01:04:09.740 --> 01:04:10.420
owned or

01:04:10.420 --> 01:04:11.080
related sites

01:04:11.080 --> 01:04:11.440
is going to

01:04:11.440 --> 01:04:12.040
tie to it

01:04:12.040 --> 01:04:13.020
hotmail

01:04:13.020 --> 01:04:13.640
searches are

01:04:13.640 --> 01:04:13.820
going to

01:04:13.820 --> 01:04:14.120
go to

01:04:14.120 --> 01:04:14.520
this

01:04:14.520 --> 01:04:15.060
um

01:04:15.060 --> 01:04:16.620
msnbc

01:04:16.620 --> 01:04:18.480
msn.com

01:04:18.480 --> 01:04:19.520
microsoft.com

01:04:19.520 --> 01:04:20.180
all the stuff

01:04:20.180 --> 01:04:20.860
all the passport

01:04:20.860 --> 01:04:21.380
sites

01:04:21.380 --> 01:04:22.200
they're going to

01:04:22.200 --> 01:04:22.780
embed the

01:04:22.780 --> 01:04:23.280
search engine

01:04:23.280 --> 01:04:23.900
to go only

01:04:23.900 --> 01:04:24.600
to theirs

01:04:24.600 --> 01:04:25.520
you know

01:04:25.520 --> 01:04:26.280
so first of

01:04:26.280 --> 01:04:26.600
all you know

01:04:26.600 --> 01:04:26.920
they're going

01:04:26.920 --> 01:04:27.980
to saturate

01:04:27.980 --> 01:04:28.440
the market

01:04:28.440 --> 01:04:28.860
with it

01:04:28.860 --> 01:04:29.140
they're going

01:04:29.140 --> 01:04:29.500
to fill

01:04:29.500 --> 01:04:30.040
every site

01:04:30.040 --> 01:04:30.380
they can get

01:04:30.380 --> 01:04:30.800
their hands

01:04:30.800 --> 01:04:31.240
on with

01:04:31.240 --> 01:04:31.740
this stupid

01:04:31.740 --> 01:04:32.120
thing

01:04:32.120 --> 01:04:35.620
but you

01:04:35.620 --> 01:04:35.920
know what

01:04:35.920 --> 01:04:36.540
I'm kind

01:04:36.540 --> 01:04:36.840
of looking

01:04:36.840 --> 01:04:37.200
at this

01:04:37.200 --> 01:04:37.500
and there's

01:04:37.500 --> 01:04:37.920
some things

01:04:37.920 --> 01:04:38.260
about it

01:04:38.260 --> 01:04:38.580
that might

01:04:38.580 --> 01:04:39.120
actually be

01:04:39.120 --> 01:04:39.540
kind of

01:04:39.540 --> 01:04:39.960
cool

01:04:39.960 --> 01:04:42.080
and from

01:04:42.080 --> 01:04:42.780
the microsoft

01:04:42.780 --> 01:04:43.720
page it

01:04:43.720 --> 01:04:44.800
says this

01:04:44.800 --> 01:04:46.020
um

01:04:46.020 --> 01:04:46.700
it works by

01:04:46.700 --> 01:04:47.400
mining a

01:04:47.400 --> 01:04:48.240
text base

01:04:48.240 --> 01:04:49.240
looking for

01:04:49.240 --> 01:04:50.000
strings that

01:04:50.000 --> 01:04:50.540
look like

01:04:50.540 --> 01:04:51.940
potential answers

01:04:51.940 --> 01:04:53.200
but then they

01:04:53.200 --> 01:04:53.620
run into

01:04:53.620 --> 01:04:54.580
natural language

01:04:54.580 --> 01:04:55.200
issues but

01:04:55.200 --> 01:04:56.280
information redundancy

01:04:56.280 --> 01:04:57.080
helps in other

01:04:57.080 --> 01:04:58.020
words the

01:04:58.020 --> 01:04:58.640
answer to the

01:04:58.640 --> 01:04:59.300
question who

01:04:59.300 --> 01:05:00.080
killed lincoln

01:05:00.080 --> 01:05:01.520
shows up tens

01:05:01.520 --> 01:05:02.140
of thousands

01:05:02.140 --> 01:05:02.740
of times

01:05:02.740 --> 01:05:03.480
on the web

01:05:03.480 --> 01:05:05.660
so they

01:05:05.660 --> 01:05:06.100
don't have to

01:05:06.100 --> 01:05:06.920
disambiguate

01:05:06.920 --> 01:05:07.980
booth altered

01:05:07.980 --> 01:05:08.740
history with a

01:05:08.740 --> 01:05:09.460
single shot at

01:05:09.460 --> 01:05:09.740
lincoln

01:05:09.740 --> 01:05:10.860
they can pick

01:05:10.860 --> 01:05:11.580
their answer

01:05:11.580 --> 01:05:12.720
or how many

01:05:12.720 --> 01:05:13.340
times did

01:05:13.340 --> 01:05:14.380
bjorn borg win

01:05:14.380 --> 01:05:14.940
wimbledon

01:05:14.940 --> 01:05:15.900
you can find

01:05:15.900 --> 01:05:16.920
lots of strings

01:05:16.920 --> 01:05:17.560
on the net

01:05:17.560 --> 01:05:18.600
like bjorn borg

01:05:18.600 --> 01:05:19.460
blah blah blah

01:05:19.460 --> 01:05:20.280
wimbledon blah

01:05:20.280 --> 01:05:20.780
blah blah

01:05:20.780 --> 01:05:21.340
five

01:05:21.340 --> 01:05:22.900
that in their

01:05:22.900 --> 01:05:23.740
redundancy make

01:05:23.740 --> 01:05:24.780
the answer five

01:05:24.780 --> 01:05:25.580
more probable

01:05:25.580 --> 01:05:26.800
so what they're

01:05:26.800 --> 01:05:27.860
doing is on a

01:05:27.860 --> 01:05:29.040
statistical level

01:05:29.040 --> 01:05:30.280
they're trying to

01:05:30.280 --> 01:05:31.980
apply some

01:05:31.980 --> 01:05:32.980
common sense

01:05:32.980 --> 01:05:33.820
to the

01:05:33.820 --> 01:05:34.620
questions by

01:05:34.620 --> 01:05:35.480
looking at

01:05:35.480 --> 01:05:37.380
repetition of

01:05:37.380 --> 01:05:37.840
phrases

01:05:37.840 --> 01:05:40.180
so they're going

01:05:40.180 --> 01:05:40.820
to apply common

01:05:40.820 --> 01:05:41.660
sense for example

01:05:41.660 --> 01:05:42.660
on the bjorn borg

01:05:42.660 --> 01:05:43.760
i said you know

01:05:43.760 --> 01:05:44.500
um

01:05:44.500 --> 01:05:46.680
he won let's

01:05:46.680 --> 01:05:47.080
see what was

01:05:47.080 --> 01:05:47.920
it like 1980

01:05:47.920 --> 01:05:49.140
he won wimbledon

01:05:49.140 --> 01:05:49.740
or something like

01:05:49.740 --> 01:05:50.020
that

01:05:50.020 --> 01:05:51.380
it is applying

01:05:51.380 --> 01:05:51.960
enough common

01:05:51.960 --> 01:05:53.420
sense by saying

01:05:53.420 --> 01:05:54.420
enough phrases

01:05:54.420 --> 01:05:55.560
to know that he

01:05:55.560 --> 01:05:56.260
certainly didn't

01:05:56.260 --> 01:05:57.260
win wimbledon

01:05:57.260 --> 01:05:59.120
9,980 times

01:05:59.120 --> 01:06:00.500
but if it sees

01:06:00.500 --> 01:06:01.000
a smaller

01:06:01.000 --> 01:06:01.800
more appropriate

01:06:01.800 --> 01:06:02.360
more common

01:06:02.360 --> 01:06:02.840
sense number

01:06:02.840 --> 01:06:03.500
like five

01:06:03.500 --> 01:06:03.940
it's smart

01:06:03.940 --> 01:06:04.580
enough to give

01:06:04.580 --> 01:06:05.040
you that

01:06:05.040 --> 01:06:05.860
as what it

01:06:05.860 --> 01:06:06.480
thinks to be

01:06:06.480 --> 01:06:07.060
the answer

01:06:07.060 --> 01:06:08.820
and apparently

01:06:08.820 --> 01:06:09.760
from most of

01:06:09.760 --> 01:06:10.460
these consistently

01:06:10.460 --> 01:06:11.320
said and

01:06:11.320 --> 01:06:12.740
microsoft claims

01:06:12.740 --> 01:06:13.300
that the thing

01:06:13.300 --> 01:06:14.700
is right 75%

01:06:14.700 --> 01:06:15.360
of the time

01:06:15.360 --> 01:06:17.420
now that's

01:06:17.420 --> 01:06:17.900
you know

01:06:17.900 --> 01:06:18.820
that's a c

01:06:18.820 --> 01:06:19.180
you know you

01:06:19.180 --> 01:06:20.000
get 75 on a

01:06:20.000 --> 01:06:20.460
test what is

01:06:20.460 --> 01:06:20.900
that a c

01:06:20.900 --> 01:06:21.480
a d

01:06:21.480 --> 01:06:22.600
yeah it's pretty

01:06:22.600 --> 01:06:23.240
good though

01:06:23.240 --> 01:06:24.040
yeah but i mean

01:06:24.040 --> 01:06:24.940
in computer terms

01:06:24.940 --> 01:06:25.540
and guessing it's

01:06:25.540 --> 01:06:26.000
pretty right

01:06:26.000 --> 01:06:26.680
and when they

01:06:26.680 --> 01:06:27.240
say right

01:06:27.240 --> 01:06:27.740
they're saying

01:06:27.740 --> 01:06:28.860
the first result

01:06:28.860 --> 01:06:29.620
that comes up

01:06:29.620 --> 01:06:31.540
yeah so you

01:06:31.540 --> 01:06:31.900
know it might

01:06:31.900 --> 01:06:32.560
not be the first

01:06:32.560 --> 01:06:33.060
one or second

01:06:33.060 --> 01:06:33.520
i think there

01:06:33.520 --> 01:06:34.680
was also um

01:06:34.680 --> 01:06:36.180
an example of

01:06:36.180 --> 01:06:36.920
like they asked

01:06:36.920 --> 01:06:37.880
it who did

01:06:37.880 --> 01:06:38.640
britney spears

01:06:38.640 --> 01:06:39.340
marry in las

01:06:39.340 --> 01:06:40.160
vegas recently

01:06:40.160 --> 01:06:41.220
and that's kind

01:06:41.220 --> 01:06:41.620
of a vague

01:06:41.620 --> 01:06:42.360
question because

01:06:42.360 --> 01:06:42.900
it's happened

01:06:42.900 --> 01:06:43.700
more than once

01:06:43.700 --> 01:06:46.340
right so it

01:06:46.340 --> 01:06:47.000
got that one

01:06:47.000 --> 01:06:48.780
wrong however

01:06:48.780 --> 01:06:49.440
because it

01:06:49.440 --> 01:06:50.560
listed the first

01:06:50.560 --> 01:06:51.400
response was i

01:06:51.400 --> 01:06:52.120
guess the first

01:06:52.120 --> 01:06:53.000
guy she married

01:06:53.000 --> 01:06:54.040
yeah and then

01:06:54.040 --> 01:06:55.120
the second response

01:06:55.120 --> 01:06:56.000
was the most

01:06:56.000 --> 01:06:56.820
recent guy that

01:06:56.820 --> 01:06:57.380
she married

01:06:57.380 --> 01:06:58.760
so it didn't

01:06:58.760 --> 01:06:59.500
exactly get it

01:06:59.500 --> 01:07:00.120
right but you

01:07:00.120 --> 01:07:00.700
know what it

01:07:00.700 --> 01:07:01.240
was pretty it

01:07:01.240 --> 01:07:01.880
was close enough

01:07:01.880 --> 01:07:02.440
that the second

01:07:02.440 --> 01:07:03.260
answer was there

01:07:03.260 --> 01:07:03.900
the second time

01:07:03.900 --> 01:07:04.520
it happened it's

01:07:04.520 --> 01:07:05.540
like okay we

01:07:05.540 --> 01:07:06.020
don't care

01:07:06.020 --> 01:07:07.080
yeah exactly

01:07:07.080 --> 01:07:08.000
no one reported

01:07:08.000 --> 01:07:09.420
it so you know

01:07:09.420 --> 01:07:10.540
but again applying

01:07:10.540 --> 01:07:11.620
the common sense

01:07:11.620 --> 01:07:12.400
logic that they're

01:07:12.400 --> 01:07:13.160
trying to apply

01:07:13.160 --> 01:07:14.000
here the strings

01:07:14.000 --> 01:07:14.640
by looking at

01:07:14.640 --> 01:07:15.200
these strings

01:07:15.200 --> 01:07:16.300
they're able to

01:07:16.300 --> 01:07:17.000
at least come up

01:07:17.000 --> 01:07:17.400
with a better

01:07:17.400 --> 01:07:18.760
hierarchy and

01:07:18.760 --> 01:07:19.200
that's something

01:07:19.200 --> 01:07:20.700
that google has

01:07:20.700 --> 01:07:21.480
something similar

01:07:21.480 --> 01:07:22.120
with their page

01:07:22.120 --> 01:07:22.800
rank they try to

01:07:22.800 --> 01:07:23.280
give you the most

01:07:23.280 --> 01:07:24.640
relevant hits but

01:07:24.640 --> 01:07:25.340
microsoft looks

01:07:25.340 --> 01:07:25.620
like they're

01:07:25.620 --> 01:07:26.140
trying to take

01:07:26.140 --> 01:07:26.620
it to another

01:07:26.620 --> 01:07:28.760
level frankly i'm

01:07:28.760 --> 01:07:29.680
still skeptical of

01:07:29.680 --> 01:07:31.140
this because you

01:07:31.140 --> 01:07:31.900
know what i

01:07:31.900 --> 01:07:33.440
truly i was joking

01:07:33.440 --> 01:07:34.320
about ask jeez but

01:07:34.320 --> 01:07:35.380
ask jeez was

01:07:35.380 --> 01:07:36.460
supposedly a natural

01:07:36.460 --> 01:07:37.400
language question

01:07:37.400 --> 01:07:38.120
engine you know you

01:07:38.120 --> 01:07:39.640
can ask jeez hey

01:07:39.640 --> 01:07:40.480
where can i get

01:07:40.480 --> 01:07:41.260
pictures of the

01:07:41.260 --> 01:07:41.920
biggest titties on

01:07:41.920 --> 01:07:42.760
the internet and

01:07:42.760 --> 01:07:44.040
you can and jeez is

01:07:44.040 --> 01:07:44.800
supposed to tell you

01:07:44.800 --> 01:07:45.500
the answer to that

01:07:45.500 --> 01:07:47.180
right isn't that the

01:07:47.180 --> 01:07:49.460
whole gimmick but

01:07:49.460 --> 01:07:50.320
he you know he's a

01:07:50.320 --> 01:07:53.900
moron you know so

01:07:53.900 --> 01:07:54.840
comes back with

01:07:54.840 --> 01:07:56.340
like no offense to

01:07:56.340 --> 01:07:57.080
anyone who uh

01:07:57.080 --> 01:07:58.060
actually happens to

01:07:58.060 --> 01:07:58.760
have the last name

01:07:58.760 --> 01:08:00.880
jeez no but i

01:08:00.880 --> 01:08:02.640
complete and 100%

01:08:02.640 --> 01:08:03.420
offense meant to

01:08:03.420 --> 01:08:04.280
anybody who works

01:08:04.280 --> 01:08:05.500
for ask jeez or

01:08:05.500 --> 01:08:07.080
uses ask jeez you're

01:08:07.080 --> 01:08:09.960
morons yeah how do

01:08:09.960 --> 01:08:10.600
you like that

01:08:10.600 --> 01:08:13.560
god i hate that

01:08:13.560 --> 01:08:15.440
thing that's sold on

01:08:15.440 --> 01:08:16.180
the stock market do

01:08:16.180 --> 01:08:16.700
you know that was

01:08:16.700 --> 01:08:17.660
like a an enormously

01:08:17.660 --> 01:08:19.600
successful ipo that

01:08:19.600 --> 01:08:20.700
they made mad money

01:08:20.700 --> 01:08:21.440
relaunching that

01:08:21.440 --> 01:08:22.620
steaming pile of

01:08:22.620 --> 01:08:24.120
crap no i did not

01:08:24.120 --> 01:08:25.780
it's horrible to go

01:08:25.780 --> 01:08:26.420
out and look at it

01:08:26.420 --> 01:08:27.040
now it's like three

01:08:27.040 --> 01:08:27.960
bucks a share i think

01:08:27.960 --> 01:08:30.340
it's crap it's horrible

01:08:30.340 --> 01:08:31.520
i don't i don't even

01:08:31.520 --> 01:08:32.080
know why it's worth

01:08:32.080 --> 01:08:32.600
that i don't know

01:08:32.600 --> 01:08:33.420
anybody that uses a

01:08:33.420 --> 01:08:33.800
damn thing

01:08:33.800 --> 01:08:36.660
i'm gonna issue a

01:08:36.660 --> 01:08:37.360
challenge right here

01:08:37.360 --> 01:08:37.900
to the listeners

01:08:37.900 --> 01:08:40.180
email me with some

01:08:40.180 --> 01:08:40.900
reason give me

01:08:40.900 --> 01:08:42.140
something good that

01:08:42.140 --> 01:08:42.980
ask jeez does

01:08:42.980 --> 01:08:43.800
something that jeez

01:08:43.800 --> 01:08:44.580
does that's better

01:08:44.580 --> 01:08:45.360
than the other search

01:08:45.360 --> 01:08:46.140
engines are different

01:08:46.140 --> 01:08:47.440
they try to launch

01:08:47.440 --> 01:08:48.060
this thing and now

01:08:48.060 --> 01:08:49.520
they got this ask

01:08:49.520 --> 01:08:50.960
jeez added a new

01:08:50.960 --> 01:08:51.620
feature that's

01:08:51.620 --> 01:08:52.380
supposed to change

01:08:52.380 --> 01:08:53.460
searching where they

01:08:53.460 --> 01:08:54.440
let you save your

01:08:54.440 --> 01:08:55.560
searches you can log on

01:08:55.560 --> 01:08:56.260
create an account that

01:08:56.260 --> 01:08:57.140
will remember your most

01:08:57.140 --> 01:08:57.880
recent searches

01:08:57.880 --> 01:08:59.260
hey it's called

01:08:59.260 --> 01:09:00.460
bookmarks fucktards

01:09:00.460 --> 01:09:01.140
they've been around for

01:09:01.140 --> 01:09:01.960
ten years

01:09:01.960 --> 01:09:04.460
anyway

01:09:04.460 --> 01:09:06.380
damn it how do i get

01:09:06.380 --> 01:09:07.220
off on these rants

01:09:07.220 --> 01:09:08.960
i don't know

01:09:08.960 --> 01:09:09.840
i don't know either

01:09:09.840 --> 01:09:11.240
anyway

01:09:11.240 --> 01:09:12.740
and my language

01:09:12.740 --> 01:09:14.180
kind of goes downhill

01:09:14.180 --> 01:09:14.940
with the rants too

01:09:14.940 --> 01:09:16.080
unfortunately but hey

01:09:16.080 --> 01:09:17.200
what am i gonna do

01:09:17.200 --> 01:09:18.580
anyway

01:09:18.580 --> 01:09:21.020
ask msr

01:09:21.020 --> 01:09:21.500
that's what they're

01:09:21.500 --> 01:09:21.920
calling it

01:09:21.920 --> 01:09:23.320
microsoft research

01:09:23.320 --> 01:09:24.460
ask msr

01:09:24.460 --> 01:09:25.780
program uses

01:09:25.780 --> 01:09:26.880
information on web

01:09:26.880 --> 01:09:28.060
pages to respond to

01:09:28.060 --> 01:09:29.320
questions to which the

01:09:29.320 --> 01:09:30.180
answer is a single

01:09:30.180 --> 01:09:31.100
word or phrase

01:09:31.100 --> 01:09:32.320
such as

01:09:32.320 --> 01:09:33.600
when was maryland

01:09:33.600 --> 01:09:34.500
monroe born

01:09:34.500 --> 01:09:36.700
ask msr starts by

01:09:36.700 --> 01:09:37.460
manipulating the

01:09:37.460 --> 01:09:38.380
question in various

01:09:38.380 --> 01:09:39.840
ways by identifying

01:09:39.840 --> 01:09:40.980
the verb for example

01:09:40.980 --> 01:09:42.420
and then changing its

01:09:42.420 --> 01:09:42.840
tense

01:09:42.840 --> 01:09:44.160
or moving it into

01:09:44.160 --> 01:09:45.300
different positions in

01:09:45.300 --> 01:09:46.260
the sentence like

01:09:46.260 --> 01:09:47.520
maryland was

01:09:47.520 --> 01:09:48.400
monroe born

01:09:48.400 --> 01:09:49.980
maryland monroe was

01:09:49.980 --> 01:09:50.940
born and so on

01:09:50.940 --> 01:09:52.440
the resulting phrases

01:09:52.440 --> 01:09:53.620
are then fed into a

01:09:53.620 --> 01:09:55.040
search engine and

01:09:55.040 --> 01:09:56.060
documents containing

01:09:56.060 --> 01:09:57.120
matching strings of

01:09:57.120 --> 01:09:58.480
words are retrieved

01:09:58.480 --> 01:10:00.320
it sounds promiscuous

01:10:00.320 --> 01:10:01.080
like a promiscuous

01:10:01.080 --> 01:10:02.240
strategy but gibberish

01:10:02.240 --> 01:10:03.500
phrases produce few

01:10:03.500 --> 01:10:05.760
matches so being

01:10:05.760 --> 01:10:08.060
wrong is very cheap

01:10:08.060 --> 01:10:12.340
so anyway ask msr is

01:10:12.340 --> 01:10:13.020
still a prototype

01:10:13.020 --> 01:10:14.060
according to microsoft

01:10:14.060 --> 01:10:15.900
but they're trying to

01:10:15.900 --> 01:10:17.000
improve it and it may be

01:10:17.000 --> 01:10:18.080
launched commercially

01:10:18.080 --> 01:10:19.100
under the name

01:10:19.100 --> 01:10:20.520
answer bot

01:10:20.520 --> 01:10:22.760
hey i wonder if they've

01:10:22.760 --> 01:10:23.500
reserved answer bot

01:10:23.500 --> 01:10:24.320
dot com let's try to

01:10:24.320 --> 01:10:25.280
grab it from them if they

01:10:25.280 --> 01:10:26.240
haven't

01:10:26.240 --> 01:10:31.960
yeah and put the phone

01:10:31.960 --> 01:10:32.600
back in front of your

01:10:32.600 --> 01:10:33.440
mouth so we can hear you

01:10:33.440 --> 01:10:34.080
the listeners don't want

01:10:34.080 --> 01:10:34.540
to hear static

01:10:34.540 --> 01:10:35.740
oh calm down

01:10:35.740 --> 01:10:37.180
want to hear your

01:10:37.180 --> 01:10:39.460
staticky your staticky

01:10:39.460 --> 01:10:40.760
uh hairdryer slash

01:10:40.760 --> 01:10:41.200
phone

01:10:41.200 --> 01:10:43.640
i'm not on a con air

01:10:43.640 --> 01:10:44.040
phone

01:10:44.040 --> 01:10:46.380
i i i'm proving this

01:10:46.380 --> 01:10:47.540
no i'm proving this to

01:10:47.540 --> 01:10:48.420
you right now stink

01:10:48.420 --> 01:10:49.520
sorry to do this during

01:10:49.520 --> 01:10:49.980
your show

01:10:49.980 --> 01:10:50.700
what are you doing

01:10:50.700 --> 01:10:52.480
this is a con air

01:10:52.480 --> 01:10:52.940
phone

01:10:52.940 --> 01:10:54.200
holy crap

01:10:54.200 --> 01:10:54.840
yeah

01:10:54.840 --> 01:10:55.780
wow that's

01:10:55.780 --> 01:10:56.400
would you ever

01:10:56.400 --> 01:10:57.400
give con air again

01:10:57.400 --> 01:10:58.140
i'm going back to my

01:10:58.140 --> 01:10:58.440
sony

01:10:58.440 --> 01:10:59.400
that was a good

01:10:59.400 --> 01:11:00.160
dude that was a good

01:11:00.160 --> 01:11:00.580
phone

01:11:00.580 --> 01:11:03.060
that was hardcore man

01:11:03.060 --> 01:11:03.760
i'm gonna get a con

01:11:03.760 --> 01:11:04.300
air phone

01:11:04.300 --> 01:11:05.060
yeah

01:11:05.060 --> 01:11:06.340
oh they make hair

01:11:06.340 --> 01:11:06.900
dryers

01:11:06.900 --> 01:11:07.940
i think you spiked

01:11:07.940 --> 01:11:08.680
the levels on the

01:11:08.680 --> 01:11:09.480
show by the way

01:11:09.480 --> 01:11:10.640
yeah

01:11:10.640 --> 01:11:12.240
how's that for a

01:11:12.240 --> 01:11:12.720
hair dryer

01:11:12.720 --> 01:11:13.720
that was a that was

01:11:13.720 --> 01:11:14.480
some pretty hella good

01:11:14.480 --> 01:11:15.620
hair dryer i'll give

01:11:15.620 --> 01:11:16.120
you that one

01:11:16.120 --> 01:11:17.260
yeah

01:11:17.260 --> 01:11:18.460
it was loud that's

01:11:18.460 --> 01:11:19.280
for sure like a

01:11:19.280 --> 01:11:19.760
hair dryer

01:11:19.760 --> 01:11:20.340
amen

01:11:20.340 --> 01:11:22.120
so

01:11:22.120 --> 01:11:23.980
anyway um also

01:11:23.980 --> 01:11:25.520
uh the same search

01:11:25.520 --> 01:11:26.600
engine the technology

01:11:26.600 --> 01:11:27.520
behind it they're also

01:11:27.520 --> 01:11:28.600
using not only for a

01:11:28.600 --> 01:11:29.380
search engine for the

01:11:29.380 --> 01:11:30.140
for the global

01:11:30.140 --> 01:11:30.840
interweb

01:11:30.840 --> 01:11:32.840
but also to do

01:11:32.840 --> 01:11:34.120
like working on your

01:11:34.120 --> 01:11:34.460
pc

01:11:34.460 --> 01:11:36.080
and integrate it for

01:11:36.080 --> 01:11:37.160
example with outlook i

01:11:37.160 --> 01:11:37.980
know they mentioned some

01:11:37.980 --> 01:11:38.720
of that as well

01:11:38.720 --> 01:11:40.020
so um

01:11:40.020 --> 01:11:42.120
like they're doing some

01:11:42.120 --> 01:11:44.060
personal map work where

01:11:44.060 --> 01:11:44.820
your activities

01:11:44.820 --> 01:11:46.360
email calendar etc

01:11:46.360 --> 01:11:47.780
affect the way your

01:11:47.780 --> 01:11:49.280
contacts are arranged in

01:11:49.280 --> 01:11:49.600
group

01:11:49.600 --> 01:11:51.580
but we already know who we

01:11:51.580 --> 01:11:52.720
interact with and again i'm

01:11:52.720 --> 01:11:53.460
quoting this from

01:11:53.460 --> 01:11:54.600
uh one of the blogs

01:11:54.600 --> 01:11:56.140
um and of course we'll put

01:11:56.140 --> 01:11:56.960
the links up in the show

01:11:56.960 --> 01:11:57.940
notes if we ever get those

01:11:57.940 --> 01:11:58.540
caught up

01:11:58.540 --> 01:12:01.420
um but i say we already

01:12:01.420 --> 01:12:02.520
know who we can enter who

01:12:02.520 --> 01:12:03.820
we interact with how can we

01:12:03.820 --> 01:12:05.420
put this in a larger context

01:12:05.420 --> 01:12:07.440
for example who do you know

01:12:07.440 --> 01:12:08.640
that knows someone else

01:12:08.640 --> 01:12:10.480
basically the linkedin

01:12:10.480 --> 01:12:12.120
facility introduction idea but

01:12:12.120 --> 01:12:13.720
again what's interesting to

01:12:13.720 --> 01:12:15.420
me is how this shows overlap

01:12:15.420 --> 01:12:17.180
it lets you map how you're

01:12:17.180 --> 01:12:19.080
connected to another person and

01:12:19.080 --> 01:12:20.300
through what paths

01:12:20.300 --> 01:12:23.760
now this sounds really familiar to

01:12:23.760 --> 01:12:25.680
me and i'll i'll the listeners

01:12:25.680 --> 01:12:26.780
haven't picked this up i'll

01:12:26.780 --> 01:12:28.900
explain in a moment um

01:12:28.900 --> 01:12:30.640
anyway it says they're less

01:12:30.640 --> 01:12:31.640
interested in the endpoints

01:12:31.640 --> 01:12:32.800
and the nature of the paths

01:12:32.800 --> 01:12:33.640
that lead there

01:12:33.640 --> 01:12:37.560
um talks about wallop uh

01:12:37.560 --> 01:12:39.840
424 people involved in this

01:12:39.840 --> 01:12:41.040
project apparently and about a

01:12:41.040 --> 01:12:42.040
quarter have been regularly

01:12:42.040 --> 01:12:44.180
active what this lets them do

01:12:44.180 --> 01:12:46.620
is build maps of inferred social

01:12:46.620 --> 01:12:47.660
networks

01:12:47.660 --> 01:12:51.920
inferred social networks

01:12:51.920 --> 01:12:54.340
quote who's important to whom

01:12:54.340 --> 01:12:56.660
people want to explicitly control

01:12:56.660 --> 01:12:58.380
to be able to add remove people

01:12:58.380 --> 01:12:59.780
but they also don't want to have

01:12:59.780 --> 01:13:01.400
to spend a lot of time organizing

01:13:01.400 --> 01:13:04.720
now if you don't if that phrase

01:13:04.720 --> 01:13:06.980
social networks inferred social

01:13:06.980 --> 01:13:08.380
networks or just social networks

01:13:08.380 --> 01:13:10.260
doesn't ring a bell i'm going to

01:13:10.260 --> 01:13:12.180
point you back a few episodes back

01:13:12.180 --> 01:13:15.400
when i had decius co-host a show

01:13:15.400 --> 01:13:17.720
with me and talk about his site

01:13:17.720 --> 01:13:22.180
meme streams and basically that is

01:13:22.180 --> 01:13:24.500
memetics and the memetics engine

01:13:24.500 --> 01:13:26.180
that he uses to power that site

01:13:26.180 --> 01:13:30.580
it has social networks and the

01:13:30.580 --> 01:13:32.160
people that you follow and have

01:13:32.160 --> 01:13:33.680
to share the same interest with

01:13:33.680 --> 01:13:35.480
will be the posts and the

01:13:35.480 --> 01:13:37.120
information that you see most

01:13:37.120 --> 01:13:38.580
often the people that you

01:13:38.580 --> 01:13:40.120
associate yourself with and have

01:13:40.120 --> 01:13:42.100
things in common with that's the

01:13:42.100 --> 01:13:43.240
basis of that engine

01:13:43.240 --> 01:13:47.900
so you know what it's already out

01:13:47.900 --> 01:13:49.500
there it's called memestreams.net

01:13:49.500 --> 01:13:52.080
go check it out and again go back

01:13:52.080 --> 01:13:53.520
and listen to that episode as a

01:13:53.520 --> 01:13:55.440
matter of fact if you're if you

01:13:55.440 --> 01:13:57.640
happen to miss it unfortunately i

01:13:57.640 --> 01:13:58.820
don't know the number offhand i

01:13:58.820 --> 01:13:59.120
should

01:13:59.120 --> 01:14:03.540
so that's really all i've got on the

01:14:03.540 --> 01:14:05.920
on the microsoft's new search engine

01:14:05.920 --> 01:14:07.520
i'd like to know more about it

01:14:07.520 --> 01:14:09.120
frankly so someone else someone has

01:14:09.120 --> 01:14:11.560
some more information by all means

01:14:11.560 --> 01:14:13.780
email us and let us know because i'm

01:14:13.780 --> 01:14:15.160
going to be doing some research on

01:14:15.160 --> 01:14:16.900
this because i just i like to

01:14:16.900 --> 01:14:18.220
research stuff like this i like to

01:14:18.220 --> 01:14:19.000
know how things work

01:14:19.000 --> 01:14:23.840
yep so let me know what do you

01:14:23.840 --> 01:14:24.560
think about that

01:14:24.560 --> 01:14:29.200
like you know when i say the same

01:14:29.200 --> 01:14:30.720
technology they have a slider bar

01:14:30.720 --> 01:14:33.020
they kept referring to the slider bar

01:14:33.020 --> 01:14:34.680
and how you can focus your searches

01:14:34.680 --> 01:14:36.260
with it like it'll come up with the

01:14:36.260 --> 01:14:37.800
search terms on the left hand side of

01:14:37.800 --> 01:14:38.980
the screen and you can adjust the

01:14:38.980 --> 01:14:40.560
slider bar i guess to

01:14:40.560 --> 01:14:43.120
i don't know what the measurements

01:14:43.120 --> 01:14:45.180
of the slider bar are like maybe

01:14:45.180 --> 01:14:46.960
it's more concise and less concise

01:14:46.960 --> 01:14:47.400
it's

01:14:47.400 --> 01:14:49.660
yeah you know how much it varies from

01:14:49.660 --> 01:14:50.200
the original

01:14:50.200 --> 01:14:52.280
keywords or something

01:14:52.280 --> 01:14:55.000
but and apply to like your

01:14:55.000 --> 01:14:57.860
let's apply to outlook for example

01:14:57.860 --> 01:15:00.560
the way i envision this and i may be

01:15:00.560 --> 01:15:01.140
wrong but

01:15:01.140 --> 01:15:03.460
when you're searching for contacts in

01:15:03.460 --> 01:15:04.480
your contact list

01:15:04.480 --> 01:15:06.520
right now let's say you're searching

01:15:06.520 --> 01:15:08.240
for a personal contact you can filter

01:15:08.240 --> 01:15:10.640
out only personal contacts by selecting

01:15:10.640 --> 01:15:14.040
it so you have to go that extra step

01:15:14.040 --> 01:15:15.780
to only show those people that are

01:15:15.780 --> 01:15:18.200
listed or tagged as personal i think

01:15:18.200 --> 01:15:20.420
what microsoft is getting at here is

01:15:20.420 --> 01:15:22.760
being able to figure out

01:15:22.760 --> 01:15:30.460
by who you email frequently and the topics and things like that it will determine who is

01:15:30.460 --> 01:15:43.220
a business contact or a personal contact and when you search for something it will intuitively be able to tell where to search what to search for and how to more efficiently conduct the search

01:15:43.220 --> 01:15:50.220
so that's how and that's that's an example with outlook and the same thing with files you know if you're searching for an mp3

01:15:50.220 --> 01:16:13.200
yeah you know it'll be smart enough to look in the my music folder or something like that i you know what i'm you know what i'm getting at yeah yeah yeah definitely so which uh which would actually be great because it's like freaking annoying yeah sometimes or you know what search through the mp3 tags if you want something you know like when you go to the sites and it's like if you like uh britney spears you'll love just

01:16:13.220 --> 01:16:43.100
like a simpson they try to give you to something else similar yeah applying that to your desktop you know you have the mp3 tags you have video files that have all these header information and jpegs that have what camera they were taken with you have all this information and they're going to probably start mining it or being a little bit more liberal with their use of it and trying to find things that are related to each other that way so when you search for spoon it's going to be smart enough to go look for things that are

01:16:43.100 --> 01:17:13.100
related to spoon based on keywords or reserve words or headers and things like that yeah so it could be cool and it could suck i guess time will tell yes did you find out if that site was already answerbot.com hold on you still looking sorry about that that's all right and um actually i'm gonna save my rant i got a spam no you know what i'll do this real quick

01:17:13.100 --> 01:17:43.100
i always ignore it i delete it but this one caught my eye again because frankly i'm such a geek i even find spam interesting there's something wrong with me oh man i found this one interesting because it seemed to be i don't know it didn't look like typical spam it was a little bit more uh anyway it caught my eye for whatever reason that's what spam is designed to do yeah and this one was different yeah and this one was a little bit different

01:17:43.100 --> 01:17:57.860
aimed to aim to everybody like a total spam junk viagra ad it actually was paragraphs and sentence structure was very very well done and stuff like that it had a name at the bottom of it it really anyway i knew it was spam right away but i still found it interesting

01:17:57.860 --> 01:18:27.740
and it was um says are you targeting the student sector and i found this in a lot of other places since then by the way so everybody's gotten this do you want students to buy your product or visit your website our company has carefully collected an email database which allows to advertise your product or service to the audience of 1.7 million u.s college and university students this is the most comprehensive students email database available on the internet all addresses on the database now this is an interesting thing

01:18:27.740 --> 01:18:55.080
look you tell me listen to this all addresses on the database belong to students 18 to 24 years old are verified and as a proof of their origin end with edu which stands for educational institutions the database will be delivered to you in a zip archive of 34 meg text file all addresses were collected september 2004 how much for this file do you think how much yeah like you don't already know i guess you got the show notes there

01:18:55.080 --> 01:19:23.700
uh i don't have the show notes up all right how much do you think they're charging for that i have no freaking idea 370 dollars that's all your email address is worth 34 megs of 1.7 addresses 370 dollars wow ktt i'm not going to give out the address actually um but first of all i find it interesting intriguing that they're selling

01:19:23.700 --> 01:19:51.700
email addresses email addresses a database by spamming people that's kind of funny i guess yeah that's kind of funny it got your attention actually it did not you know what this went to my bit box this went to my to my um bit bucket which means it got sent to a an email address that doesn't exist i just happened to be looking through the logs of the mail client looking through the logs to see if there was anything caught up in the queue and this was one of them so really it didn't actually hit anywhere i just happened to pull it out of limbo

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limbo so it actually went out of your way to look at the spin yes i did yes i did because sometimes sometimes email somebody will write stank dog d-o-g instead of a-w-g and it'll sit it'll also go to devnall it'll go to the well not to devnall but it'll go into this uh bouncing situation anyway

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um i went digging up on this company and first of all i found out that it was registered through russia

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it's owned by somebody in germany registered through russia yet the page itself is in good clear clean english

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so this is done by this is done by a native english speaker i'll say that

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but they're using the system they're going around and using the internet and registering through these

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different countries and stuff which you know what i give them a little credit for that

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now here's the funniest part to the whole story and i'm going to end on this because boy we're cutting

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it close okay they also run a hosting company

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they're hosting company okay and yes i had some fun with the company and i'll leave it at that

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hold on hold on they deserve it before you say this yourbot.com is registered is registered to

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two cows dns servers are dns.taco.com all right but who who owns them uh a cameron gregory

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22 howard court lyncroft new jersey 07738 really interesting i guess he got it before microsoft did

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yep anyway the hosting company here's the this is the funniest part this is the ultimate irony slap

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in the face the hosting company if you go to the site the main site with no slash whatever it's a

01:21:43.600 --> 01:21:49.140
hosting company to get to this site where you can buy the email addresses it gives you a php page on

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the same site so how's this for irony right on the front page of the site when i look under their

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policies quote what is your policy on spam we do not tolerate spam if we find you sending junk mail

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if you if we find you sending junk mail you would be banned from our servers and notified to the proper

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authorities nice now ain't that some shit that is awesome stink that's fucked up that is an awesome

01:22:19.780 --> 01:22:27.880
story that's fucked up so i'm going to hit this here's what i'm thinking i'm actually thinking of

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maybe dropping some coin registering with them making up a site putting the hosting and then

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buying their zip file from them and spamming the fuck out of people

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just to see if they kick me off

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of course i wouldn't do that because i'm not a dirty spammer but damn it it would be funny

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maybe not funny haha but you know anyway man let's try it out why don't you buy their zip file

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and send uh and send a message to every single email address saying that uh this hosting company

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is selling your fucking email oh that's almost that's just as bad you're spamming anyway

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actually you know what this is right up your alley lucky you know what you should contact these people

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and now now i'm not gonna say that on the air never mind i'm not gonna get us in trouble okay

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i'll say it these people on that page where you buy that zip file for 370 bucks they have a checkout page

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right at the bottom and very big clear letters money back guarantee if you're unsatisfied for any

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reason whatsoever they will refund your money got nothing to lose man you should buy that shit and

01:23:38.600 --> 01:23:41.780
then tell them you're unhappy with it and then give it away on your website or something for free

01:23:41.780 --> 01:23:44.100
yeah that'll happen yeah right

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oh anyway so many so many ways to screw them up unfortunately you're still sharing a bunch of

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addresses and spamming people yeah anyway let's jump to the shout out to the show i just want i have one

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shout out i should have given this a long time ago one of my all-time favorite sites is homestarrunner.com

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i think most a lot of people know about it if you don't go to homestarrunner.com

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start watching some of the cartoons that they have on there read the strong bad emails the greatest

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just hilarious you might not get it at first but if you start watching them and get the running jokes

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it's hilarious and learn the characters so my shout outs go to the brothers chaps for that

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and uh that's all i got oh you know i'm sorry i said it earlier and i'll say it again to droops and

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obfuscated welcome to rant radio your show sucks um no just kidding i sent him an email that said

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that just to start off their show i thought it'd be a funny way for them to start off their show

01:24:40.820 --> 01:24:45.040
we should start like this whole ah see i'm saying it on the air so that ruins it i was gonna say we

01:24:45.040 --> 01:24:50.260
should start a joke where like they flame us and we flame them back and we get all the audience

01:24:50.260 --> 01:24:54.780
to believe that we hate each other oh yeah that's not gonna happen now well now i kind of ruined

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it didn't i but anyway i want to edit that out later yeah shouts out to obfuscated no i'm not

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gonna do that that's just playing around shouts to obfuscated and droops infonomicon right here

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on rant radio so check them out and lucky what do you got okay i got a lot of shouts first i got

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to give a shout out to my friend bob in minnesota he knows who he is yep so i'm carlson

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and uh my boy scott free from the socal that's it i thought you said a lot oh that's a lot that's

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one of them you gave yeah well today well no the brothers chaps there's two of them

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all right anyway email us radio at binrev.com and our closing music today is from evolution

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control committee it's called don't miss the great snatch and these are the same people that do

01:25:47.460 --> 01:25:53.560
the infonomicon theme music the theme song for infonomicon which i love rocked by rape with

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starring dan rather also by the evolution control committee so uh we're going to close with that

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and um that is going to do it so lucky yes why don't you uh start at this time why don't you lead

01:26:06.540 --> 01:26:14.060
us out uh i forget how to start you tell everybody that we'll see them next week same hack time

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same hack channel see that's the only word you know is the same hack channel part later

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i've had many people to ask me to put this on recording recording

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and we're coming to you for all of you that are present here tonight

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many treasures of life are huge but i happen to prefer the snatch

01:26:56.080 --> 01:27:04.000
Prestige, honor, money, women, men, nothing

01:27:04.000 --> 01:27:12.800
Irene, Laura, and old gal Seuss

01:27:12.800 --> 01:27:22.400
I have made up in my mind that nothing is going to stop me from making the snatch

01:27:22.400 --> 01:27:28.980
I'm not going to fool around here and miss all these women

01:27:28.980 --> 01:27:32.960
All these good-looking women

01:27:32.960 --> 01:27:35.000
Let me get Laura

01:27:35.000 --> 01:27:37.400
Let me have Mabel

01:27:37.400 --> 01:27:40.360
And let me get old gal Seuss

01:27:40.360 --> 01:27:41.980
Fannie Lou

01:27:41.980 --> 01:27:44.220
And all I can find

01:27:44.220 --> 01:27:46.860
I got to make the snatch

01:27:46.860 --> 01:27:53.400
I would just get on out there and get with Marvin Gaye

01:27:53.400 --> 01:27:54.960
Jackson 5

01:27:54.960 --> 01:27:57.380
Gladys Knight and the Pips

01:27:57.380 --> 01:28:00.320
Hey man, Smokey Robinson

01:28:00.320 --> 01:28:02.120
And everybody else

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Well, I just had me a time

01:28:03.440 --> 01:28:09.740
So don't miss that snatch

01:28:09.740 --> 01:28:30.060
I like to say to the brothers

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That no matter how, how well they are shaped

01:28:36.100 --> 01:28:39.220
How long the hair is

01:28:39.220 --> 01:28:43.520
They're not worth missing the snatch

01:28:43.520 --> 01:28:49.760
Just as I don't care how tall, dark and handsome

01:28:49.760 --> 01:28:52.140
That man might be

01:28:52.140 --> 01:28:55.380
He's not worth missing the snatch

01:28:55.380 --> 01:28:59.960
Two will be in the bed

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Then one snatch

01:29:01.700 --> 01:29:04.360
And then let me go on to the disco

01:29:04.360 --> 01:29:08.640
On, on, on to the disco

01:29:08.640 --> 01:29:10.960
Get the sound of the night fever

01:29:10.960 --> 01:29:13.040
Let me go on to the disco

01:29:13.040 --> 01:29:17.280
On, on, on to the disco

01:29:17.280 --> 01:29:19.820
And let me just have me a good time

01:29:19.820 --> 01:29:21.640
And then let me go on to the disco

01:29:21.640 --> 01:29:26.100
On, on, on, on, on to the disco

01:29:26.100 --> 01:29:28.260
Get the sound of the night fever

01:29:28.260 --> 01:29:30.380
Let me go on to the disco

01:29:30.380 --> 01:29:34.580
On, on, on, on to the disco

01:29:34.580 --> 01:29:37.100
And let me just have me a good time

01:29:37.100 --> 01:29:38.220
Go on to the disco

01:29:38.220 --> 01:29:40.800
Tumping and pumping

01:29:40.800 --> 01:29:43.260
On, on, on, on to the disco

01:29:43.260 --> 01:29:45.560
Get the sound of the night fever

01:29:45.560 --> 01:29:46.880
Go on to the disco

01:29:46.880 --> 01:29:49.460
Bimping and pimping

01:29:49.460 --> 01:29:53.460
See, there have already been some

01:29:53.460 --> 01:29:54.460
There will be some more

01:29:54.460 --> 01:29:56.460
And then let me go on to the disco

01:29:56.460 --> 01:29:58.460
And then let me just have me a good time

01:29:58.460 --> 01:30:00.460
Go on, on, on, on, on to the disco

01:30:00.460 --> 01:30:02.460
Get the sound of the night fever

01:30:02.460 --> 01:30:03.460
Go on to the disco

01:30:03.460 --> 01:30:04.460
Go on to the disco

01:30:04.460 --> 01:30:05.460
Bimping and pimping

01:30:05.460 --> 01:30:06.460
Go on, on, on, on to the disco

01:30:06.460 --> 01:30:10.460
And then let me just have me a good time

01:30:10.460 --> 01:30:11.460
Tell me a good time

01:30:11.460 --> 01:30:13.460
There have been other little snacks

01:30:13.460 --> 01:30:15.460
Before the big one

01:30:15.460 --> 01:30:17.460
See, there have already been some

01:30:17.460 --> 01:30:19.460
There will be some more after the big one

01:30:19.460 --> 01:30:21.460
If you miss the big one

01:30:21.460 --> 01:30:25.460
Then don't plan on getting involved

01:30:25.460 --> 01:30:27.460
If you miss the first one

01:30:27.460 --> 01:30:30.460
The Snatch is imminent

01:30:30.460 --> 01:30:32.460
The Snatch is at hand

01:30:32.460 --> 01:30:35.460
The Snatch could come any day now

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We got to be ready

01:30:38.460 --> 01:30:40.460
When Jesus comes