WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:10.200 This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers, to the hackers and the crackers. 00:10.660 --> 00:16.060 I see in binary, I speak source code, step on my toes, I'll post a million game pegs 00:16.060 --> 00:21.260 of you and a fag poned, in your digital stance getting firewalled ho, cause I'm riding the 00:21.260 --> 00:27.220 net in my six foe, I was a dick with my 56, now with my cable I'm able to get that stable, 00:27.220 --> 00:32.740 on the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo, on the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm 00:32.740 --> 00:38.020 a hero, in a flash, I'll screw you on burning dream caps, you need some ISO, let me through 00:38.020 --> 00:43.440 my hard drive rifle, our exchange you could never stifle, in a digital hug, you just caught 00:43.440 --> 00:49.720 the love bug, I bootlegged your CD, I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z, your CG, it's 00:49.720 --> 00:54.220 all gonna be free, whether we take it by force or we take it nicely, you feel that rattling 00:54.220 --> 00:58.920 your bones, when I tell you we just hacked out Jones, and NASDAQ leaves you flat on your 00:58.920 --> 01:04.340 back, cause I am he who loves to hack and crack, cause I am he who loves to hack and crack. 01:04.740 --> 01:11.940 This is dedicated to the hackers and the crackers, serial codes, source codes, ISOs, RANs, SIFs, 01:11.940 --> 01:14.920 SIFs, this is dedicated to the hackers and the crackers. 01:14.920 --> 01:24.060 And, welcome everybody to Binary Revolution Radio, episode 70, coming to you on November 01:24.060 --> 01:31.360 16th, 2004, I am Stank Dog, back again this week, and I should probably start off by thanking 01:31.360 --> 01:38.560 last week's host, Buck Dangler, thank you Buck Dangler for hosting episode 69, making a comeback 01:38.560 --> 01:43.280 after RFA episode 69, it's the last time we heard from Buck Dangler, so it was good to hear 01:43.280 --> 01:50.260 him again, and of course to Mr. Pink and to Juicy Julie as well, but I am back today, I 01:50.260 --> 01:55.740 am feeling a little bit better, I hope I sound a little bit better, I still got an occasional 01:55.740 --> 02:00.160 cough going on here, but hey, what can I tell you, Nashville's got bad stuff. 02:01.180 --> 02:06.700 And, I'm going to introduce a new co-host we have for this episode, who is probably the 02:06.700 --> 02:12.920 cause of me getting sick at Nashville, at Freak Nick, and that is our first time co-host, 02:13.280 --> 02:17.060 not to be the last I'm sure, Natus, welcome to the show. 02:17.900 --> 02:19.080 Yo, yo, thanks a lot. 02:19.360 --> 02:21.140 And, dude, why'd you make me sick? 02:22.620 --> 02:23.340 I'm sorry. 02:24.540 --> 02:28.800 We shared a room, I woke up the next morning, and I'm sick. 02:29.500 --> 02:31.320 Well, I got sick at DEF CON, so. 02:32.260 --> 02:34.340 Yeah, but I've been sick like all month. 02:34.340 --> 02:38.360 Like, I couldn't get rid of this, whatever, I'm drinking chalk. 02:39.440 --> 02:43.980 I'm drinking, I swear to God, I'm drinking like old milk with sand in it. 02:44.100 --> 02:47.820 Like, when you drink this medicine, it's like grainy, and it's like, gets in your teeth and 02:47.820 --> 02:48.080 stuff. 02:48.180 --> 02:51.040 It's, oh, it's horrible, horrible stuff. 02:51.260 --> 02:54.680 But, hey, it seems to be working, so I'm not going to complain. 02:54.780 --> 02:56.260 The last stuff they gave me didn't work. 02:56.260 --> 03:00.720 I don't know what you got, man, but you need to get checked out, because that was bad stuff 03:00.720 --> 03:01.120 for me. 03:02.000 --> 03:04.700 But, that's alright, the sweet, sweet loving made up for it. 03:05.300 --> 03:05.600 Yeah. 03:05.600 --> 03:12.960 Well, we got quite a few emails to take care of this week, so we should probably just jump 03:12.960 --> 03:14.380 into that first. 03:15.840 --> 03:18.240 But, well, we've got to play our email theme song here. 03:18.320 --> 03:18.680 Hold on. 03:22.200 --> 03:24.820 Okay, and, email time. 03:24.900 --> 03:29.540 Now, actually, I had a couple emails on this particular topic, so I'm not going to read 03:29.540 --> 03:34.220 them, but I just wanted to point out that I had some people requesting that I do podcasting. 03:34.220 --> 03:40.460 Um, uh, podcasting is, of course, some way, is a way to get the show out to the iPod users. 03:40.580 --> 03:44.280 They can check for the shows when there's new episodes and things like that. 03:44.800 --> 03:49.060 So, uh, that is something very cool, something that I, I've heard of, I've never done before 03:49.060 --> 03:49.480 myself. 03:49.980 --> 03:52.840 Um, but I do, I do think that's kind of a cool idea. 03:52.940 --> 03:54.180 I am willing to try that. 03:54.900 --> 03:58.040 Um, but, I just got too much on my plate right now. 03:58.100 --> 03:59.300 I got too many other priorities. 03:59.500 --> 04:00.340 I will do that. 04:00.380 --> 04:01.660 I will try to do that soon. 04:01.660 --> 04:06.900 About the same time I put up the show in AugVorbis format, which is still on my list of things 04:06.900 --> 04:07.240 to do. 04:08.340 --> 04:10.740 Um, so I will try that. 04:10.800 --> 04:15.120 For those of you who are asking, I will do that to the best of my ability, as time permits. 04:15.280 --> 04:17.460 Now, Natus, do you have a, do you have an iPod? 04:18.360 --> 04:19.080 Yes, I do. 04:19.300 --> 04:20.120 And, do you like it? 04:21.060 --> 04:21.480 Oh, yeah. 04:21.920 --> 04:22.080 What? 04:22.080 --> 04:23.980 I have my, I'm an avid iPod user. 04:24.280 --> 04:24.920 Are you really? 04:25.680 --> 04:26.600 Yeah, I like them a lot. 04:26.720 --> 04:28.380 I've had one for a couple years. 04:29.600 --> 04:30.220 What size? 04:31.300 --> 04:32.880 Uh, I'm up to the 20 gig. 04:33.060 --> 04:36.500 I keep upgrading over time, you know, I just keep building up my library. 04:37.000 --> 04:39.340 Now, what about all the battery problems that people said they had? 04:39.380 --> 04:42.100 Have you ever had any problems with the battery dying or anything, or? 04:42.920 --> 04:43.600 No, I don't know. 04:43.820 --> 04:45.520 People are just being bitches about it. 04:45.520 --> 04:49.400 I mean, it's true that it will, you know, eventually fade out over time. 04:49.980 --> 04:51.920 But, I mean, just e-bet it. 04:52.420 --> 04:52.820 Yeah, but did you? 04:52.820 --> 04:53.180 That's what I do. 04:53.260 --> 04:53.720 I just get one. 04:53.820 --> 04:56.940 I use it for like, I don't know, like eight or nine months, and then I just e-bet it. 04:57.040 --> 04:57.840 Oh, that's terrible. 04:59.780 --> 05:02.440 But you haven't actually had any batteries go out on you? 05:03.120 --> 05:03.460 No. 05:03.460 --> 05:07.160 You have not had the problem that other people claim they have had? 05:07.900 --> 05:08.100 No. 05:08.320 --> 05:13.140 I guess I don't, I probably don't use it like non-stop enough, you know, to cause it 05:13.140 --> 05:14.000 to drain like that. 05:14.000 --> 05:17.120 Do you do any kind of, do you listen to any podcasting stuff? 05:17.200 --> 05:18.140 Do you listen to podcasts? 05:19.040 --> 05:19.820 No, I haven't. 05:19.940 --> 05:20.120 No? 05:21.320 --> 05:21.600 Well. 05:21.620 --> 05:22.800 Sounds pretty cool, yeah. 05:23.120 --> 05:26.480 Yeah, I'm gonna see what I can do, and see if we can put that up. 05:26.540 --> 05:30.280 I'll have to check into it a little bit more, cause like I said, I've never done it, so 05:30.280 --> 05:31.140 I don't know what it entails. 05:31.220 --> 05:35.040 It might actually be easy, but I just have to get the time to set aside to work on that. 05:35.720 --> 05:36.040 Yeah. 05:36.620 --> 05:39.960 So, what about, wait a minute, as long as we're on this topic, cause I don't have an 05:39.960 --> 05:43.160 iPod, I don't know much about this, maybe you can educate us a little bit on this. 05:43.160 --> 05:48.440 Have you tried any of the other, like, I guess for lack of a better word, the knockoffs, 05:48.520 --> 05:53.120 like, I know one of the guys I work with has the Dell jukebox, it's called, and that seemed 05:53.120 --> 05:54.120 pretty cool, I liked it. 05:54.680 --> 05:58.500 Is there any, like, advantage or disadvantage between them, other than the fact that the 05:58.500 --> 06:02.480 iPod is a, is it Apple, is it Mac only, or do they have a PC interface? 06:02.860 --> 06:04.900 Do they have a Windows or Linux interface for it? 06:05.660 --> 06:07.020 Oh, come on, you don't know this stuff? 06:07.020 --> 06:09.500 I don't know, I've never had one of these, absolutely not. 06:10.220 --> 06:14.000 Ah, yeah, they're Windows, Mac, Linux, everything. 06:15.360 --> 06:15.640 Hmm. 06:16.220 --> 06:19.560 I mean, they're not, they don't, they don't say Linux on them, you know, you can't buy, 06:19.680 --> 06:22.640 like, a Linux iPod, you know, tax form and stuff. 06:22.780 --> 06:25.640 That's what I'm saying, somebody has written software that will interface with it? 06:26.260 --> 06:26.560 Yeah. 06:26.720 --> 06:27.160 For Linux? 06:27.160 --> 06:30.600 And then, you haven't, you haven't seen all the stupid new HP iPod stuff? 06:31.040 --> 06:31.940 No, I have not. 06:32.600 --> 06:33.480 Man, that stuff pisses me off. 06:33.480 --> 06:34.020 I can't afford. 06:34.140 --> 06:39.520 Basically, it's just HP trying to take credit for, like, an iPod, just so people don't fear 06:39.520 --> 06:45.200 saying Apple, and thinking that it won't work with their PC, they put HP's name on it for 06:45.200 --> 06:46.080 PC users. 06:46.940 --> 06:51.680 Hmm, I guess from a marketing standpoint, that's kind of a good idea for the, for the, your 06:51.680 --> 06:53.640 typical, um, typical user. 06:53.640 --> 06:57.140 Yeah, but it's kind of taken away from Apple's image, I think, like, people will think 06:57.140 --> 07:00.800 that HP was all badass and came up with it, but when it was Apple. 07:01.240 --> 07:05.380 I think everybody knows that Apple, like, iPod is from Apple, and I'm sure they licensed 07:05.380 --> 07:08.760 it, I'm sure they made a bundle licensing and allowing them to do it. 07:09.540 --> 07:09.800 Yeah. 07:10.120 --> 07:14.020 I'm sure Apple would not do it if they didn't think it was in their best interest, that's 07:14.020 --> 07:14.380 for sure. 07:15.180 --> 07:15.480 Yeah. 07:15.980 --> 07:18.840 It's just I would never buy, I would never buy the HP iPod. 07:19.580 --> 07:19.840 Hmm. 07:20.840 --> 07:21.540 I don't know. 07:22.040 --> 07:24.240 If it was cheaper, I'm sure. 07:24.240 --> 07:25.180 I still wouldn't buy it. 07:25.180 --> 07:30.040 I assume it's probably the same price, because I bet you Apple still makes them, I'm sure 07:30.040 --> 07:32.960 that's part of the deal, is that they can't undersell them, undercut them. 07:33.760 --> 07:34.120 Right. 07:34.380 --> 07:37.960 But, no, I can't bling like that, man, you're the one making the big money. 07:38.580 --> 07:39.080 Not me. 07:39.180 --> 07:40.340 I can't afford that stuff. 07:40.340 --> 07:47.000 Although, actually, I meant to, um, I was going to mention this at the beginning of 07:47.000 --> 07:50.840 the show, and I guess I can go ahead and mention it now, since it just popped into my head. 07:51.320 --> 07:55.500 Uh, one thing that I did, I can't afford and finally switched to is VoIP. 07:56.280 --> 07:57.920 I meant to say that at the top of the show. 07:58.020 --> 08:04.860 This is, this is the first time that I've recorded the show using VoIP, and it sounds 08:04.860 --> 08:08.740 pretty good, um, you're, you know, coming through loud and clear. 08:08.820 --> 08:10.060 I know you're on your cell, correct? 08:10.980 --> 08:11.220 Yep. 08:11.460 --> 08:15.480 Yeah, you're on your cell, but I am on my VoIP line, going through my cable modem, and this 08:15.480 --> 08:18.220 is really the first time I've put it to any kind of stress test at all. 08:18.280 --> 08:23.480 I've tried a few short calls, um, done some settings, played with some other little tricks 08:23.480 --> 08:25.900 that I've found, um, but this is the first time. 08:25.900 --> 08:30.620 So if, if you drop off the line, you're going to have to, you're going to have to call back. 08:30.960 --> 08:36.700 Let's see if the line will say, stay stable for an hour or so longer to do the show. 08:37.940 --> 08:39.380 I meant to mention that at the beginning. 08:40.780 --> 08:43.080 Finally ventured into the world of VoIP. 08:44.100 --> 08:45.620 Uh, now, anyway, let's see, what was that? 08:45.640 --> 08:46.700 Oh, yeah, email time, email. 08:47.360 --> 08:51.480 Um, first email this week comes from UT Crazy. 08:52.440 --> 08:55.760 I don't know if that has anything to do with Unreal Tournament or just coincidence. 08:55.900 --> 08:57.900 But UT Crazy says, 08:58.700 --> 09:03.580 Hey, Stank, I listen to your show every week and look forward to your rants and other great parts about the show. 09:04.040 --> 09:07.480 Regarding the TV license in the UK that you mentioned on episode 69, 09:07.960 --> 09:10.540 you do have to pay a monthly fee to own a television. 09:10.720 --> 09:15.920 I don't know about the TV police checking if you have a TV, but you do have to pay. 09:16.100 --> 09:19.320 Thanks for making this amazing radio show keep up the good work. 09:20.340 --> 09:24.040 Now, I had a couple people also email me and verify this. 09:24.040 --> 09:31.280 Um, and, frankly, I went straight to Nick84, our overseas correspondent of DDP. 09:32.280 --> 09:35.520 Um, and, yeah, he gave me the full story and confirmed for it. 09:35.600 --> 09:38.340 And, it turns out, yeah, he gave me a couple links, actually. 09:38.440 --> 09:39.720 I did a little research on my own, too. 09:39.720 --> 09:43.020 Um, it turns out that they do have a fee. 09:43.140 --> 09:43.800 They do have that. 09:43.840 --> 09:44.660 It does exist. 09:45.260 --> 09:47.640 Um, and the listener last week said it was around $17. 09:47.640 --> 09:51.200 I didn't get anyone else to confirm a price, but $17 a month. 09:52.100 --> 09:56.500 Um, and they do have people who go house to house and check for it. 09:56.520 --> 09:59.480 They have a van or something they drive around, like the A-Team or something. 09:59.480 --> 10:07.460 And they drive around, they have some kind of equipment in there that they can apparently detect TV signals or, or, yeah, TV signals. 10:07.600 --> 10:18.560 And I guess they also have a database of people who have not paid, so they try to catch them using a television or prove that they have a TV when they're not on the authorized paying customer TV list. 10:18.560 --> 10:32.600 So, they do have some kind of, I don't know if they're police or if they have any kind of authority or whatever, but it's kind of scary because I was reading some stories, um, online about people that were caught and stuff like that. 10:32.620 --> 10:35.300 And there's some funny stories about excuses people make. 10:35.980 --> 10:48.160 But these people, not only do they drive around, but they go up to the door and, like, they look in your windows, they peer in the back door, back of the house, they go around the back, and if they see a TV in view, you're busted. 10:49.540 --> 10:52.520 And I don't know how cool I am with somebody creeping around my yard. 10:52.700 --> 10:57.000 I hope, that's where you gotta have, like, a nasty pit bull or something waiting for them, you know? 10:58.800 --> 10:59.740 It's just messed up. 11:00.160 --> 11:08.180 Yeah, that's, seriously, I mean, that's, somebody, all I'm saying is somebody tries to come up to my back door, they're gonna meet a shotgun face-to-face. 11:08.820 --> 11:10.120 That's no joke, man. 11:10.120 --> 11:15.860 Nobody come up to, no, there's no back door entry in more ways than one, but I won't even go off onto that. 11:16.260 --> 11:17.360 That was episode 69. 11:17.360 --> 11:18.580 We'll get off of that. 11:18.580 --> 11:29.960 But, yeah, it's, the other trick, and I don't know why people do this, a lot of these stories involved the fact that they let the person come into their house. 11:30.020 --> 11:31.880 They knock on the door, can I come in for a second? 11:31.960 --> 11:33.080 I'm with the TV police. 11:33.080 --> 11:36.240 Slam the door in their face and say, heck no. 11:38.300 --> 11:40.600 I mean, that just seems like common sense to me. 11:40.720 --> 11:42.400 I mean, am I missing something there? 11:42.460 --> 11:47.100 If somebody, somebody, Natus, excuse me, sir, I'd like to come in and see if you have any illegal narcotics. 11:47.100 --> 11:48.320 Oh, okay. 11:48.320 --> 11:48.680 No. 11:48.840 --> 11:49.240 Oh, okay. 11:49.680 --> 11:50.040 Leave. 11:51.700 --> 11:52.800 Just let them on in, huh? 11:54.060 --> 11:55.140 That's news to me, man. 11:55.180 --> 11:57.200 I can't believe I have stuff like this going on over there. 11:57.360 --> 11:57.640 Yeah. 11:58.060 --> 11:59.700 And I'm sure you don't have illegal narcotics. 11:59.780 --> 12:01.840 I was just making that up for our American listeners. 12:01.840 --> 12:05.440 Because we don't have, we don't have this TV law or whatever it is. 12:09.080 --> 12:11.760 So, yeah, that's kind of, I don't know. 12:11.900 --> 12:14.660 And, like I said, there was some funny excuses on there. 12:14.860 --> 12:18.060 The biggest excuse people use is, I don't live here. 12:18.140 --> 12:19.740 I just came over to feed the dog. 12:20.300 --> 12:21.840 I just came over to water the plants. 12:21.900 --> 12:22.480 I don't live here. 12:22.640 --> 12:24.080 The neighbors are out of town or whatever. 12:24.760 --> 12:25.860 So, that was kind of funny. 12:25.860 --> 12:28.660 But, eventually, it seems like most of these people were getting caught. 12:28.740 --> 12:30.260 You don't get away with it for very long. 12:30.260 --> 12:32.140 They don't joke about their money. 12:33.180 --> 12:34.200 It's strange, man. 12:34.500 --> 12:37.460 Yeah, and I don't, I'd like to, I'd be curious of the illegal implications on that. 12:37.520 --> 12:39.560 But, anyway, that's enough about that, I guess. 12:40.340 --> 12:41.360 I have a question, though. 12:41.480 --> 12:41.780 Shoot. 12:42.540 --> 12:44.760 What happens if, what happens when these people get caught? 12:45.920 --> 12:46.840 I don't know. 12:46.920 --> 12:48.280 Actually, that is a good question. 12:48.700 --> 12:52.040 I don't know if they, I think, I think they simply have a fine. 12:52.740 --> 12:54.000 They have to pay a fine. 12:54.240 --> 12:57.740 And I don't know how they could possibly charge them back payments. 12:57.740 --> 13:01.220 Because they don't, can't prove how long they've had the television. 13:03.620 --> 13:04.200 Unless they, 13:04.200 --> 13:04.980 Nothing to look into, though. 13:05.200 --> 13:06.960 Yeah, that's, that is a good question. 13:07.040 --> 13:08.000 I do not know the answer. 13:08.120 --> 13:12.120 I'll have to, have to hit our overseas correspondent back up again. 13:12.560 --> 13:14.640 I have to ask Nick 84 what's up with that. 13:16.140 --> 13:16.860 Let's see. 13:16.980 --> 13:21.120 But, see, he, I'm sure he's probably never been caught for something like that. 13:21.120 --> 13:25.100 So, we've got to find somebody who's, who's been busted for that, you know. 13:25.820 --> 13:34.720 If, if there's a listener, if there's a listener out there, uh, UT Crazy, or our listener from last week, or some of the people who emailed me, let me know if you've ever been caught in what the punishment was. 13:34.780 --> 13:36.460 I do not, I did not find that. 13:36.640 --> 13:38.640 I didn't think to look for it, actually, in my research. 13:38.640 --> 13:42.840 Um, okay, anyway, let's move on to another email. 13:43.320 --> 13:46.760 Uh, the second email this week comes from System Shocker. 13:47.960 --> 13:49.820 And, System Shocker says, 13:49.920 --> 13:52.220 Dear Stank, I mailed you a couple of times. 13:52.380 --> 13:53.340 I'm from Romania. 13:53.940 --> 13:55.540 Romania is not a part of Russia. 13:55.720 --> 13:56.940 It's a democratic country. 13:57.660 --> 14:01.860 I asked you not to play Betallica on the air, because it's an offense to Metallica. 14:02.200 --> 14:05.200 If you won't air my mail, I'm going to kill myself. 14:05.720 --> 14:07.640 My blood will be on my hands. 14:08.640 --> 14:16.060 Well, you know, first of all, I'm glad your blood, your blood is on your hands and not mine, first of all. 14:16.380 --> 14:17.860 It says my blood will be on my hands. 14:17.920 --> 14:19.100 Well, good, good luck with that. 14:19.360 --> 14:20.260 Have fun with that. 14:20.400 --> 14:22.420 But, um, not for me. 14:22.500 --> 14:30.100 But, um, I, I, first of all, honestly, I don't understand why you said that Romania is not a part of Russia. 14:30.660 --> 14:34.080 I mean, did, unless on a past episode, I can't think of it. 14:34.080 --> 14:41.400 Can you, uh, that I mentioned Russia or, or, uh, Romania being, uh, the same thing? 14:41.440 --> 14:43.300 Or did I somehow make a mistake there? 14:44.240 --> 14:45.380 Uh, kind of weird. 14:45.380 --> 14:47.060 Yeah, I don't, I'm not sure. 14:47.160 --> 14:48.920 I guess I must have and forgot about it. 14:49.020 --> 14:52.880 But, uh, I guess, thank you for correcting me, like I cared. 14:52.880 --> 14:55.920 Um, a little subliminal message there. 14:56.400 --> 14:58.240 Um, yeah, thank you for correcting me. 14:58.480 --> 15:03.320 Um, but, you know what, even if I was wrong on that, there's one thing I am 100% certain of. 15:03.860 --> 15:09.700 And that is how horribly, incredibly much Metallica sucks the cock. 15:09.700 --> 15:19.560 That is something that I, that is something that I can, oh, when I say cock, by the way, for our FM listeners out there, I say cock, I mean, of course, rooster. 15:19.920 --> 15:21.180 They really suck the rooster. 15:21.280 --> 15:29.320 For all of you listening on FM radio out there, um, I don't know if that got bleeped or not, but, of course, I was meant rooster when I said sucks the cock. 15:30.260 --> 15:38.860 Um, but, yeah, like a really, really big feathery rooster, too, with a big head on the end of it. 15:39.700 --> 15:42.560 Ugh, I can't stand Metallica. 15:43.380 --> 15:47.000 I liked them before the whole Napster thing. 15:47.060 --> 15:52.040 But, you know what, they sold out, they started crying because they weren't making enough millions. 15:52.180 --> 15:53.960 Oh, no, I'm sorry, nine million is not enough. 15:54.020 --> 15:55.100 We need 9.1. 15:55.720 --> 15:59.000 You know what, Metallica, you can kiss my rooster. 15:59.080 --> 15:59.660 How about that? 16:02.140 --> 16:03.700 I can't stand them. 16:03.800 --> 16:05.920 Ever since then, her, them, and... 16:05.920 --> 16:07.200 I feel the same way, too. 16:07.200 --> 16:08.780 And, um, Sheryl Crow. 16:09.700 --> 16:11.180 You know? 16:11.440 --> 16:12.680 They can both swing them in. 16:12.680 --> 16:12.860 Sheryl Crow. 16:13.520 --> 16:14.480 Yeah, isn't that her name? 16:14.660 --> 16:15.160 Sheryl Crow. 16:15.260 --> 16:20.420 She was the other one that was crying about how she was losing all this money and what a ripoff and stuff it was. 16:21.000 --> 16:21.260 Really? 16:21.300 --> 16:23.160 I remember Eminem was crying about it, too. 16:23.780 --> 16:24.380 Was he? 16:24.520 --> 16:28.120 I know, I think Dre was a little bit, but I think Dre gave in, finally. 16:28.340 --> 16:28.580 Yeah. 16:29.860 --> 16:32.680 Meanwhile, Chuck D is on the complete opposite end of the spectrum. 16:33.520 --> 16:33.880 Right. 16:33.880 --> 16:35.240 So, that's kind of cool. 16:35.340 --> 16:39.080 Some people get it and some people don't, but Metallica doesn't. 16:39.200 --> 16:44.880 And, and, and I've said this on the show before and I'm not going to get into this rant again, but it's unavoidable. 16:45.000 --> 16:46.580 It's too late. 16:46.580 --> 16:52.360 But, I mean, what was it, I used to have a saying, like on the first few episodes of the show, I used to use it a lot. 16:52.600 --> 16:54.640 You can't put the shit back in the horse. 16:55.400 --> 17:00.020 That's definitely going to get bleeped out on the radio, but you just, it's too late. 17:00.020 --> 17:09.020 This is something that listeners and consumers demanded and they got tired of getting ripped off and they made this happen. 17:09.120 --> 17:16.820 They gave themselves new opportunities and new options, you know, and it's not necessarily that it's the whole Napster sharing for free thing, 17:16.980 --> 17:21.820 but these people are still fighting releasing their music in any kind of digital format. 17:21.960 --> 17:27.460 They're all still fighting it, you know, other than, yeah, iPod and iTunes or whatever. 17:27.460 --> 17:30.840 There, finally, some people, but there's people that still won't participate in that. 17:31.540 --> 17:31.880 Right. 17:32.280 --> 17:33.520 You know, it's ridiculous. 17:33.700 --> 17:34.260 And you know what? 17:34.720 --> 17:37.900 That's why people stop buying their albums. 17:38.080 --> 17:43.240 That's why you haven't seen any, you haven't seen them on television and any concerts or getting in performances. 17:43.440 --> 17:43.820 You know why? 17:43.880 --> 17:44.620 Because no one cares. 17:45.320 --> 17:45.860 Bye-bye. 17:46.080 --> 17:47.400 We don't care about you, Lars. 17:47.500 --> 17:48.080 You can go. 17:48.200 --> 17:48.400 Bye. 17:48.960 --> 17:50.860 Your 10, your 15 minutes of fame are over. 17:51.360 --> 17:51.720 Leave. 17:52.340 --> 17:53.580 Go cry to mommy. 17:56.120 --> 17:57.320 Can't stand them. 17:57.460 --> 17:58.140 And I never will. 17:59.820 --> 18:01.360 I lost all respect for them. 18:01.620 --> 18:03.060 But I might download their next album. 18:03.540 --> 18:04.000 Oh, no way. 18:04.140 --> 18:04.420 I didn't. 18:04.600 --> 18:05.040 I'm sorry. 18:05.080 --> 18:05.680 I didn't say that. 18:06.620 --> 18:09.480 Actually, I wouldn't even waste my hard drive space, to be quite honest with you. 18:09.920 --> 18:12.300 I hope they don't even have another album. 18:12.480 --> 18:15.340 Yeah, I'm trying to catch myself here. 18:15.380 --> 18:18.040 I hope this guy doesn't, like, kill himself because we're dissing Metallica. 18:18.160 --> 18:19.980 He's all suicidal and stuff. 18:19.980 --> 18:22.440 He says he's going to, if I don't air his mail, he's going to kill myself. 18:22.520 --> 18:24.460 Well, I read your letter on the air. 18:24.600 --> 18:30.420 Your email has been aired out to our listeners, thousands of listeners across the country. 18:30.900 --> 18:31.500 There you go. 18:31.640 --> 18:33.000 So don't kill yourself or anything. 18:33.200 --> 18:34.460 But Metallica does suck. 18:34.580 --> 18:35.460 So, sorry. 18:35.680 --> 18:37.020 I can't help you with that one. 18:37.020 --> 18:39.720 Um, oh, let's see. 18:39.760 --> 18:40.680 What else do we have here? 18:40.700 --> 18:41.540 We got a lot of email. 18:41.680 --> 18:49.780 We got, um, I got this email from, uh, I'm going to withhold their name just because I'm 18:49.780 --> 18:55.940 not sure if they would want me to release it, um, only because the tone of the letter, 18:56.000 --> 18:57.780 I don't know if they want me to tie it to them. 18:57.780 --> 19:02.960 But anyway, uh, first of all, Dear Count Buckingham Dangler. 19:03.400 --> 19:06.260 I guess I've got so many nicknames now that they're all crossing over. 19:06.260 --> 19:09.300 Uh, I have a few questions related to programming. 19:10.360 --> 19:12.460 I am absolutely, and Natas, you're going to answer this. 19:13.380 --> 19:13.880 Oh, God. 19:14.500 --> 19:15.360 I'm just kidding. 19:15.780 --> 19:20.000 I am absolutely sure that you answered this somewhere in the 50 radio shows that I have 19:20.000 --> 19:20.980 yet to listen to. 19:21.420 --> 19:25.900 However, I want to start messing around now, and I am apprehensive in regards where to 19:25.900 --> 19:26.220 start. 19:26.600 --> 19:29.040 Everyone has their own ideas and preferences. 19:29.900 --> 19:34.440 As a person wanting to learn to program for automation, development, and fun, what would 19:34.440 --> 19:39.000 you recommend as the appropriate language to learn, knowing that I know the following 19:39.000 --> 19:41.380 things, which you will most likely know? 19:41.440 --> 19:42.120 Well, not necessarily. 19:42.440 --> 19:46.320 Don't, don't, don't sell yourself short and don't sell other people too high. 19:46.400 --> 19:47.640 You'd be very surprised. 19:48.220 --> 19:48.920 Uh, let's see. 19:48.940 --> 19:49.360 He goes on. 19:49.400 --> 19:52.260 He says, I have done away with Windows as my primary OS. 19:52.500 --> 19:53.820 Linux is it for me. 19:53.900 --> 19:54.700 Two weeks and counting. 19:55.340 --> 19:59.160 Well, that's cool, but I don't necessarily think you have to get rid of Windows yet. 19:59.160 --> 20:04.140 You know, I, I run both, you know, operating systems and then some around here. 20:04.600 --> 20:06.380 So, you know, use the right one for the job. 20:06.460 --> 20:10.740 I don't, I've never been one that said, I like Linux, I support it, but I've never been 20:10.740 --> 20:14.360 one to say completely abandon Microsoft and go all Linux. 20:14.460 --> 20:14.960 Not yet. 20:15.600 --> 20:16.300 Not yet. 20:17.260 --> 20:19.820 So, um, don't, you know, dual boot. 20:19.940 --> 20:22.900 On my laptop, I dual boot to both, so I have the best of both worlds. 20:22.900 --> 20:29.040 So, um, but since you have made the switch to Linux, uh, he goes on to say Linux is 90% 20:29.040 --> 20:30.040 programmed in C. 20:30.960 --> 20:33.900 Uh, I don't know how true that is, but I'll take your word for it. 20:34.320 --> 20:39.500 Uh, C++ was developed from some reason I can't remember, but it had to do with Linux. 20:40.820 --> 20:43.380 No, that's not exactly true at all, no. 20:43.960 --> 20:52.360 Um, C++ was developed as one of the first, one of the early object-oriented programming 20:52.360 --> 21:00.840 languages, and it, I think, I'm pretty sure, let's see, gosh, I wish I would have looked 21:00.840 --> 21:05.700 this up before the show, now I'm on the spot, but I'm pretty sure that C, I'm pretty sure 21:05.700 --> 21:09.940 that C++ might predate even the first versions of Linux. 21:10.140 --> 21:17.020 I, I, if, if the listeners know, if the listeners, if the listeners, well, C's definitely, I know 21:17.020 --> 21:19.940 for a fact C's been around for the longest of times, you know, um. 21:19.940 --> 21:23.920 Is C the, is C the one that was made by AT&T, uh, Labs, or whatever? 21:24.160 --> 21:29.960 Um, I don't know who developed, hmm, I don't know who developed C++. 21:31.620 --> 21:40.520 Um, I think, I, I think it's safe to say that C++ was developed before Linux, but even 21:40.520 --> 21:44.500 if it wasn't, and please, by all means, somebody correct me, email me if you know some specific 21:44.500 --> 21:49.640 dates, um, and I'm probably gonna look this up after my show myself, because I get, I 21:49.640 --> 21:53.600 won't be able to sleep without getting the answer to this, um, but it, really, I don't 21:53.600 --> 21:55.180 think it was driven by Linux at all. 21:55.700 --> 22:03.520 I mean, Linux, even when C++ came out, I mean, it's been a while, and Linux at that point 22:03.520 --> 22:07.620 in time, even if it was developed, was still in its earliest, earliest infancy. 22:07.620 --> 22:12.880 So, I don't know that Linux had anything to do with driving C++, I think it was just 22:12.880 --> 22:18.240 a natural progression, uh, of a fourth generation programming language, just moving up to a 22:18.240 --> 22:24.140 different, you know, moving up to a smarter, more powerful language, which has happened, 22:24.540 --> 22:28.420 you know, for the past few decades as things just evolve, I think it was just a natural 22:28.420 --> 22:29.360 progression of things. 22:29.820 --> 22:33.680 So, I don't think it was really driven by Linux, I don't, don't believe that to be the 22:33.680 --> 22:33.980 case. 22:34.900 --> 22:37.300 Man, I feel like a noob not knowing any of this stuff. 22:37.300 --> 22:43.000 Well, I'm not saying it's gospel or anything, but I feel pretty confident, I could be wrong. 22:44.020 --> 22:45.000 Um, let's see, he goes... 22:45.000 --> 22:47.960 I mean, didn't Linus program Linux and C, C++? 22:48.780 --> 22:50.240 Um, I don't... 22:50.240 --> 22:50.640 I don't know. 22:50.720 --> 22:54.780 I don't know if it was C++, well, see, the thing is, it's been, it's one of those things 22:54.780 --> 22:59.960 where there's so many people contributing to it, um, I don't know what the actual kernel, 23:00.180 --> 23:04.480 because you know Linus is the one, Linus, however you want to pronounce it, is the one who 23:04.480 --> 23:08.300 actually writes most of the kernel stuff, and incorporates everything in the kernel. 23:08.920 --> 23:13.360 But, when people refer to Linux, they're really referring most of the time to the distro, 23:13.440 --> 23:17.860 with all the other apps and stuff like that, and they're written in all kinds of different 23:17.860 --> 23:18.240 things. 23:18.240 --> 23:23.800 So, that's why I was kind of questioning the 90% written in C. A lot of it, quite a bit 23:23.800 --> 23:28.040 is in C. That may be accurate, but it seems a little high to me, because there's a lot 23:28.040 --> 23:34.460 of Perl, there's a lot of, um, uh, geez, there's, uh, just shellcode, simple shellcode, 23:34.580 --> 23:41.900 script, shell scripts. Um, gosh, there's just too many languages to mention going on. Um, but 23:41.900 --> 23:48.080 C is definitely the predominant one. But anyway, back on point to the email here, uh, in a radio 23:48.080 --> 23:54.540 show about the mag card reader, 50-something, the guy said that he made it in VB, Visual Basic, 23:54.640 --> 23:59.280 of course, because it needed to be quick and pretty. Does this mean you can't do the same 23:59.280 --> 24:05.340 with C, or that it would have been much more work? Um, well, first of all, the guy he's referring 24:05.340 --> 24:09.820 to is Acidus, uh, and when he had him on, we were talking about Stripe Snoop, we were talking 24:09.820 --> 24:16.980 about mag cards in general and some programming stuff. Um, he did it in Visual Basic for the 24:16.980 --> 24:24.040 simple reason that Visual Basic is easy. Super easy. And coming up in a few minutes, I'm going 24:24.040 --> 24:28.620 to talk about that a little bit more myself, because I had never used Visual Basic until 24:28.620 --> 24:34.320 very recently. Um, I had kind of purposely avoided it, but I decided to take the plunge. 24:34.320 --> 24:41.580 I can tell you that Visual Basic obviously is a Microsoft product, and Microsoft Visual 24:41.580 --> 24:46.660 Basic, Visual Studio, whatever version you have, comes with an editor, comes with a canvassing 24:46.660 --> 24:53.580 tool that basically allows you to drag and drop and create all the visual aspects of a 24:53.580 --> 25:01.180 program. That's what all of the visual languages do. Visual C++, Visual C Sharp, Visual J Sharp, 25:01.180 --> 25:05.980 I think they're pushing now, et cetera, et cetera. All that these things do, what they do for 25:05.980 --> 25:10.820 you is they save you the time of having to write all the functions and the code for the 25:10.820 --> 25:18.080 visual interface to, obviously, since it's a Microsoft product, to Windows. So when you 25:18.080 --> 25:22.460 get an application that was written in Visual Basic, for example, and usually you can find 25:22.460 --> 25:27.760 out, usually they tell you, or you can figure out what it was written in somehow. Um, especially 25:27.760 --> 25:33.040 open source projects, obviously. When you look at that, and let's, let's go ahead and stick, I mean, 25:33.080 --> 25:37.720 we have to stick with Windows because, well, it's, that's the way it is. So you download, let's say, 25:37.740 --> 25:44.800 a freeware application for Windows and install it and run it. When you look at that, all of the buttons, 25:45.060 --> 25:52.440 all of the menus, the background image, the about button, all of those things, every time you click, 25:52.440 --> 25:57.380 every time you drag, every time you point, every time you double click, every time you resize, 25:58.040 --> 26:04.820 every single action in Windows has to be, you have to write a program that tells it how to handle 26:04.820 --> 26:09.940 that. What do I do when somebody clicks this button? Well, A, it comes with a canvassing tool 26:09.940 --> 26:13.500 to draw the button for you and let you move it around, which is nice, so you can make it look 26:13.500 --> 26:19.240 visually super easy. And every time you do that, you drag a button, for example, onto the canvas. 26:19.240 --> 26:26.280 The, what, that's what Visual Studio does is it writes all the code for that button behind the 26:26.280 --> 26:34.220 scenes for you. It's initiated, it's created, the shell of what it's going to do is placed there for 26:34.220 --> 26:41.080 you so that you don't have to spend time writing the function calls and all the objects for the 26:41.080 --> 26:47.080 interface itself. So the button click itself, all you got to do is drag it and create it there in 26:47.080 --> 26:53.180 Windows, I'm sorry, and Visual, whatever, Visual Basic will take care of the rest. You then go 26:53.180 --> 26:58.100 to the source code and then you'll actually write more traditional programming of what you want the 26:58.100 --> 27:03.920 button to do. It handles the button click and says when somebody presses the button, type here what you 27:03.920 --> 27:08.780 want it to do and that's where your part of the programming comes in. So you can make a program with a 27:08.780 --> 27:13.100 couple buttons on it and you have to write the code. If the button simply goes hello world and springs 27:13.100 --> 27:19.200 back at you, that's, you know, that's a one-liner. That's a very simple thing and that goes back to 27:19.200 --> 27:24.920 C++ you mentioned is object-oriented programming. The other thing about visual, all the visual products 27:24.920 --> 27:31.680 is they come with a bunch of objects, a bunch of libraries with a bunch of objects and functions 27:31.680 --> 27:37.700 and things already written common things. So not only does it write the code for you, it's actually 27:37.700 --> 27:44.540 ridiculous how easy it's gotten. Not only does it write the code for the visual aspect, all the code, 27:44.800 --> 27:50.180 a lot of the code for functions of what you want to do, you want to return a dialog box that says 27:50.180 --> 27:56.560 hello world. There's a function that will return that and I'm afraid I don't know it well enough to 27:56.560 --> 28:00.600 tell you exactly which objects they are and what parameters to pass to it, but I'm sure the parameter 28:00.600 --> 28:07.660 is a string of some kind that you want it to display and when you call that, it has all that 28:07.660 --> 28:12.640 stuff, all the code for that written behind the scenes as well in an object. So really you can type 28:12.640 --> 28:17.900 one line and have a working visual basic program after just dragging and dropping, typing one line 28:17.900 --> 28:23.140 of code, compiling it, you've got a program up and running. So when he says he made it in visual basic 28:23.140 --> 28:29.900 because it needed to be quick and pretty, that's exactly the way it sounds. He drew it, put it up 28:29.900 --> 28:34.380 very quickly, typed in his bit of code, which is not as simple as the one I just described. It's very 28:34.380 --> 28:41.460 much different. And I think it was actually, I think his visual basic code was published in 2600 28:41.460 --> 28:47.800 last issue or maybe the one before that. But anyway, that's what the visual products do. 28:47.800 --> 28:53.420 They're Microsoft products, however, and as you said earlier, you've moved over completely 28:53.420 --> 28:57.640 to Linux. So I hope I didn't bore you with that, but anybody who was wondering, there's 28:57.640 --> 29:01.900 a little lesson on what the visual stuff is all about. Now getting into the differences 29:01.900 --> 29:09.040 between .NET framework and web applications versus Windows applications, that's definitely 29:09.040 --> 29:14.520 too much to go into right now. And I may have already bored Natus to sleep anyway. Are you 29:14.520 --> 29:23.580 still alive? No. I feel like a noob now and I probably made an ass out of myself because 29:23.580 --> 29:26.980 I don't know jack shit about programming. No, no, no. So I'm just going to keep my mouth 29:26.980 --> 29:32.780 shut. Yeah, yeah, no, that's not really, the thing is you're learning. I know what you're 29:32.780 --> 29:35.740 practicing and you're probably going to talk about it a little bit in the show and tell 29:35.740 --> 29:39.780 coming up, but I know that you've been doing some programming and trying to learn and teach 29:39.780 --> 29:44.260 yourself. And you know what, believe it or not, I know it can get frustrating sometimes, 29:44.700 --> 29:49.020 but teaching yourself I still think is the best way. Just, it's kind of nice to have 29:49.020 --> 29:53.160 somebody to bounce questions off of when you run into a problem. So that's why it's cool 29:53.160 --> 29:58.040 to be surrounded with people like Not Theory and Voodoo Hal and programmers that know what 29:58.040 --> 30:01.640 they're doing. You know, if I have a problem trying to write a Perl script, which I'm very, 30:01.900 --> 30:06.180 you know, you're probably better at than me to be quite honest with you. I don't know 30:06.180 --> 30:11.340 Perl that much. I call Duel. I call up Duel and ask him, you know, hey, what does this 30:11.340 --> 30:15.520 mean? Hey, what am I doing wrong? What's this error I'm getting? You know, so it's definitely 30:15.520 --> 30:20.920 nice to have people ask questions too. And our forums are filled with some pretty good 30:20.920 --> 30:25.660 people, a lot of talented people. So there's always, you know, we have a code section for 30:25.660 --> 30:30.200 you to go in and bounce code off of people and help other people with code and ask questions 30:30.200 --> 30:37.200 and things like that. So don't sell yourself short. Believe me, you're not as bad as you 30:37.200 --> 30:43.520 think. And now, let's see, where was it? This was an email. Where was I in this email? 30:43.960 --> 30:48.720 Much more work. Okay. My final end result is to learn a programming language that is both 30:48.720 --> 30:57.160 moderately easy to learn so that I could be able to start creating ASAP and one with a 30:57.160 --> 31:02.040 high amount of versatility. Please help a poor, distraught, fumbling, and mumbling listener. 31:03.620 --> 31:09.160 Well, like I just described, I know some people, you know, are the Linux diehards. They're not 31:09.160 --> 31:13.800 going to like me recommending the Visual stuff. But if you want something fast and easy, Visual 31:13.800 --> 31:19.820 Studio is the way to go. And even though it does a lot of the work for you, if you listen 31:19.820 --> 31:24.740 to what I said earlier, it wasn't very long, but it was pretty, I think, a pretty good explanation 31:24.740 --> 31:28.960 of it writing all that code and all the stuff behind the scenes. As long as you know what 31:28.960 --> 31:32.280 it's doing that, it might actually give you a better understanding of what objects are. 31:33.200 --> 31:39.840 Yes, okay, Visual Basic and Visual whatever makes it easier. But yes, you absolutely can 31:39.840 --> 31:46.060 write those things from scratch, really in a text editor if you really got that much skill 31:46.060 --> 31:50.680 that you can sit down. Dragging the buttons and all those interfaces and stuff like that, 31:51.500 --> 31:58.140 all that stuff comes in libraries for whatever, not operating system, but whatever shell that 31:58.140 --> 32:02.840 you're using. So if you want to write a visual application, you know, a button application, 32:02.960 --> 32:08.740 whatever you want to call it, under Linux, you're probably going to use the KDE libraries or 32:08.740 --> 32:14.140 the GNOME libraries and stuff like that, which come with most of that stuff already done or at 32:14.140 --> 32:19.240 least tell you how to do it and you can figure it out for yourself. But that's a lot to learn. 32:20.320 --> 32:21.140 Uh-oh, what happened? 32:22.400 --> 32:22.600 Yeah. 32:22.800 --> 32:24.420 Oh, I thought I dropped you there. I heard a click. 32:24.840 --> 32:27.240 Oh, no, no. Yeah, I got kind of static for a second. 32:27.400 --> 32:35.040 Yeah. So, yeah, you can technically sit down and write it all from scratch, but Visual Studio 32:35.040 --> 32:39.840 does it for you. So does some other editors. Forte, which is I think now called Sun1, which 32:39.840 --> 32:44.940 is a Java development tool. It's kind of similar. We'll let you do a lot of that stuff and write 32:44.940 --> 32:49.160 a bunch of the code for you. But yes, you can sit down. If you know the library calls, 32:49.520 --> 32:55.760 you're going to use glibc, all that stuff for your basic, basic code. And you're going 32:55.760 --> 33:02.280 to use KDE, GNOME, whatever, you know, whatever interface, whatever X Windows libraries that 33:02.280 --> 33:08.620 you want to use for your particular application. Now, if you use specifically KDE stuff, it's pretty 33:08.620 --> 33:14.820 much going to work only in KDE without some tweaking by the user anyway. So usually people 33:14.820 --> 33:20.960 just use the X libraries, the X11, the X386, whatever your library of choice is to do that 33:20.960 --> 33:29.480 kind of stuff under Linux. I personally cannot recommend or don't know of a good visual editor 33:29.480 --> 33:35.000 under Linux. I don't know if they exist. Every time I've done anything in Linux, quite frankly, 33:35.000 --> 33:42.560 I do it through VI. And I hate VI, but that's the only thing, you know, I'm just old school. 33:42.720 --> 33:47.460 I started doing it that way and I've never learned anything any better. So that's definitely something 33:47.460 --> 33:52.880 if somebody knows better and has more experience, I'd love to hear some good applications or suites, 33:53.040 --> 33:58.460 programming suites for Linux, you know, for the GUI, for the Linux GUI, that is. 33:58.460 --> 34:08.540 So, all that I just threw at you, my recommendation, quite simply, start off with C. Just start off, 34:08.840 --> 34:14.760 look at some C applications that are already out there. Perl is great, but it's really a scripting 34:14.760 --> 34:22.400 language. It's a powerful, powerful one that can do a lot of things that even C does. But Perl and shell 34:22.400 --> 34:31.080 scripting and things like that are not, they're very command line oriented. They're not something 34:31.080 --> 34:34.940 you can do visual stuff with. It depends on, it's the same thing I said earlier, it's the right tool 34:34.940 --> 34:40.060 for the job. If you want to write just a script, you want to automate something quickly, Perl's great 34:40.060 --> 34:44.380 at stuff like that. If you want to draw something with buttons, you want to write a game, you want to 34:44.380 --> 34:49.080 write something that people click on and use in a GUI, then you definitely want to go with the C, 34:49.080 --> 34:54.320 C++ route. Because you can use, again, a lot of those libraries that have pre-compiled functions, 34:54.480 --> 34:58.920 pre-compiled objects that you can call upon, and it makes it that much easier. 35:01.560 --> 35:05.880 See, this is the thing, you can go on forever. Perl has that stuff. I'm pretty sure there's things 35:05.880 --> 35:13.400 that will let you do graphics and interfaces in Perl, but personally, I don't think Perl is best 35:13.400 --> 35:20.000 applied that way. That's just a matter of opinion, though. Anyway, geez, I hope I didn't just use up 35:20.000 --> 35:26.240 our entire show going off on that. Good stuff, though. Well, I hope, yeah, I hope I didn't put 35:26.240 --> 35:30.720 you to sleep again. I tell you what, let's go on to another email here before we completely bore 35:30.720 --> 35:35.600 everybody to tears. And I hope that helped. I really do. And if you, you know, you can go out 35:35.600 --> 35:42.260 to our forums again, binrev.com, forums.binrev.com. We have a code section. There's also a bunch of 35:42.260 --> 35:47.080 projects that I've added out there recently. So go out there and get involved. Some of them are 35:47.080 --> 35:50.800 programming, some of them are non-programming. There's a lot of people out there that know what 35:50.800 --> 35:57.000 they're doing, so definitely it's a good resource to go check out. Now, next email here comes from 35:57.000 --> 36:01.900 another person with their real name that I'm going to hold out. And this person says, 36:01.900 --> 36:07.240 I think it would be interesting to do a show all about text encryption, some sort of encryption 36:07.240 --> 36:13.600 primer for noobs. Just an idea. It's something I don't know much about. Well, again, somebody asked 36:13.600 --> 36:19.400 last week, and I bring it up again this week to remind people that we are, I've been communicating 36:19.400 --> 36:24.820 with Alonka. We've just had conflicts of schedule. Alonka, that's, she's the expert. She's definitely the 36:24.820 --> 36:31.240 one to talk to about encryption. I know the basics, but she's definitely the one to answer questions. 36:31.240 --> 36:35.860 So I am going to be putting, I've already put some show notes together. I've already put some 36:35.860 --> 36:41.080 questions to put up to her to try to start with the beginning and then see how much more advanced 36:41.080 --> 36:45.000 we can get by the end of the show. But she is definitely the one to talk about, and we are in 36:45.000 --> 36:49.580 the process of scheduling. It might be next week. It might be the week after that. It might be the 36:49.580 --> 36:54.860 week out. It's definitely going to be soon within the next month or so. Sounds like good stuff, though. 36:54.860 --> 37:00.560 Oh, she's, and you know what, and not only is she brilliant, you know, I know she's very 37:00.560 --> 37:05.080 humble, she doesn't like, but not only is she really good at what she does, but she was 37:05.080 --> 37:09.600 so nice. I don't know if you had time to meet her. Did I introduce you, or did you meet 37:09.600 --> 37:11.040 her at Freaknik? 37:11.040 --> 37:17.380 Was she the lady that was with, what's his name, and he was doing the Magstripe stuff? 37:17.740 --> 37:21.220 Yeah, oh, I forgot all about it. She did come into our room. 37:21.680 --> 37:25.080 Yeah, it was awful that I didn't get to meet her because you were busy filming and stuff. 37:25.220 --> 37:33.180 Yeah, Acidus was doing some stuff, yeah, we were doing some stuff for Hack TV, and she 37:33.180 --> 37:38.620 was in there for part of that kind of watching, and we talked about some things. Yes, that 37:38.620 --> 37:43.160 was her, so yeah, that's who we're talking about, and like I said, I have spoken to her 37:43.160 --> 37:50.600 a couple times, and we are going to get her on the show sometime soon, so look forward 37:50.600 --> 37:57.960 to that. And our last email of the day here, gosh, sometimes we end up with a show full 37:57.960 --> 38:01.320 of emails, which is great, though, because, you know, it tells me what people want to hear, 38:01.320 --> 38:08.520 so. This last email is from Alien Elite, who says, hey, Stank, I've been meeting to 38:08.520 --> 38:12.760 write in for a while just to say the show was one of my favorites. I found it a while 38:12.760 --> 38:17.080 back and have been hooked ever since. I haven't been able to check out the zine yet, but I'll 38:17.080 --> 38:22.900 be ordering soon. I also was happy as hell to see OldSchoolFreak.com back up and running. 38:23.440 --> 38:27.180 All right, man, take it easy, and I'll be looking forward to checking out the BinRev Magazine 38:27.180 --> 38:28.180 piece. 38:28.180 --> 38:34.540 Yes. And this is probably a good way to segue. We'll close up the mailbag, mailbag, that 38:34.540 --> 38:41.320 is, and head into the show and tell. And I guess we'll segue into you to start it off 38:41.320 --> 38:47.660 because he mentioned OldSchoolFreak back up and running, and I didn't do that. You did 38:47.660 --> 38:47.840 that. 38:47.920 --> 38:48.180 Who did? 38:48.180 --> 38:53.100 You did. You did. You the man. You the man. 38:53.840 --> 38:54.080 Really? 38:54.640 --> 38:59.060 Yep. It's got your name all over it. Somebody's been doing it. Somebody's been maintaining it. 38:59.800 --> 39:00.940 I don't know if I've been doing it. 39:02.940 --> 39:08.020 I moved it over to a new hosting. I transferred the name, all that kind of stuff, and then handed 39:08.020 --> 39:10.320 it over to you. So don't be humble. It's all yours. 39:11.640 --> 39:12.540 Good stuff, though. 39:12.780 --> 39:16.920 So what exactly, what have you been doing with OldSchoolFreak? This is your, I'm going to 39:16.920 --> 39:21.460 take a sip of this crappy, horrible-tasting Pepsi Edge because I have nothing else to drink 39:21.460 --> 39:27.040 in the house. So you go ahead and talk about your show and tell stuff while I take a sip of 39:27.040 --> 39:29.000 this liquid and crap. 39:29.860 --> 39:35.040 Oh, you're putting me on the spot. But, yeah, I don't know. What should I talk about? 39:35.460 --> 39:37.440 Well, what have you done with OldSchoolFreak? 39:38.800 --> 39:42.200 Well, I don't know. I've just been maintaining it and everything, you know? 39:42.500 --> 39:44.560 Yeah. What kind of, what kind of, yeah. 39:44.560 --> 39:46.300 People are still sending in articles and stuff. 39:46.920 --> 39:51.640 And it's just something that I didn't want to see. Just sit there and just die. 39:52.360 --> 39:52.560 All right. 39:53.600 --> 39:53.960 You know? 39:54.200 --> 39:54.460 Yeah. 39:54.460 --> 39:55.540 I wanted to maintain it. 39:55.900 --> 39:59.340 Yeah, and none of us did. And our worst-case scenario was we were going to bring it back 39:59.340 --> 40:06.140 up as a final version just for integrity, just so people could still get the old text files 40:06.140 --> 40:06.880 and stuff on there. 40:06.880 --> 40:11.640 But you took it over and, yeah, people are sending articles. And not only people, you 40:11.640 --> 40:15.500 wrote some articles and put them up there, too. Didn't you do some back-spoofing things? 40:17.060 --> 40:25.100 Yeah, I did a back-spoofing exchange scan in Mount Vernon, Washington. It was one of the 40:25.100 --> 40:29.360 first new VoIP switches up there. And so I just thought it was something cool to mess with. 40:29.360 --> 40:30.300 Yeah, that's kind of cool. 40:30.300 --> 40:33.420 So I did that, and I had some pretty cool results. So I don't know, I made it into a 40:33.420 --> 40:33.720 file. 40:34.780 --> 40:37.860 Yeah, and there's quite a few. There's some other scans that have been put up there lately, 40:37.960 --> 40:39.360 too. Some of them from overseas. 40:40.520 --> 40:40.960 Yeah, Briscativo. 40:41.460 --> 40:44.240 Yeah. Where was it? Australia? Or no? 40:44.720 --> 40:50.880 Yeah, Australia. He's been going crazy. He got VoIP, and he got a provider that offers 40:50.880 --> 40:55.360 good international plans, you know? So he went with them, and he's just been going crazy 40:55.360 --> 41:01.580 with the thing. He's always been into the Australian phones and everything, the phone 41:01.580 --> 41:05.540 system down there. So I'm like, the best thing that has happened to him for a while, 41:05.620 --> 41:06.860 you know? He's all psyched on it. 41:07.280 --> 41:08.240 Yeah, very cool. 41:08.240 --> 41:15.940 I just updated it tonight, too, actually. He sent in a file last week with a Sydney scan, 41:16.660 --> 41:22.540 and then right after I posted it, like a couple minutes later, he submitted another one. 41:22.540 --> 41:28.440 And so, I took a, I don't know, I lagged, and I took a couple days, and then I just 41:28.440 --> 41:30.340 updated it tonight, and so that's on there now. 41:31.060 --> 41:34.880 No, that's all right. You update when you have time. We all know how that is. Real 41:34.880 --> 41:40.260 life takes precedence and work and all that kind of stuff, but it's just really cool to 41:40.260 --> 41:44.480 see that there's still as many, it's still being updated as much, and there's still people 41:44.480 --> 41:49.980 submitting stuff just as much as there ever has been. If anything, it's been moving faster 41:49.980 --> 41:54.480 than I expected. It's really been, and been still moving along quite well. 41:55.480 --> 41:59.800 That's good. I'm glad, you know? It's such like a good site. I didn't want to just see 41:59.800 --> 42:00.380 it sit there. 42:00.840 --> 42:05.500 Yeah, and the other thing is we, there were some changes that we needed to make, and are 42:05.500 --> 42:10.400 still in the process of making, but for the most part, we didn't want to stray from what 42:10.400 --> 42:14.640 it originally was. You know, we're not going to change the content or the basic overall 42:14.640 --> 42:19.700 feel of the site, but there were some minor changes here and there. Of course, the emails, 42:19.880 --> 42:23.580 oh, that's right, you should definitely pimp the email because we told people that because 42:23.580 --> 42:28.060 we were switching boxes and because of some changes, we lost all the email accounts, but 42:28.060 --> 42:33.800 we are now, you have set up a no account for people to submit things to? 42:33.800 --> 42:39.920 Yep. We were using Gmail for a while, but now that it's back up, I got Mattis at OldSchoolFreak, 42:39.920 --> 42:45.180 you can submit articles to. Mattis at OldSchoolFreak.com. That's like the main email. 42:45.660 --> 42:46.020 Okay. 42:46.200 --> 42:51.700 And then, yeah, I set some people back up with their forwarders too, so if people are listening 42:51.700 --> 42:57.680 to this and they used to have forwarders, just hit me up and let me know where you wanted 42:57.680 --> 43:03.620 to go to and what your email was and everything, because I know, like, Icon had one and Brisk 43:03.620 --> 43:04.340 had one. 43:04.500 --> 43:05.960 Yeah, I think that's one of the pages. 43:06.080 --> 43:06.440 Put that back up. 43:06.700 --> 43:12.080 Yeah, that's one of the pages I think we lost, unfortunately, but, yeah, contact Mattis 43:12.080 --> 43:17.180 at OldSchoolFreak.com and let him know, and make sure you put mine back on there too. 43:17.280 --> 43:19.480 Make sure you route that one over to my other address. 43:20.020 --> 43:20.860 Put my forwarder there. 43:22.220 --> 43:22.740 No doubt. 43:22.740 --> 43:31.920 Yep, and let's see what, oh, and also some other changes that you made were, as the times 43:31.920 --> 43:37.300 changed and technologies changed, we were starting to run into a situation where all the text files 43:37.300 --> 43:42.380 were gathering up, but it was getting harder to kind of categorize them, so you added, I 43:42.380 --> 43:44.540 know, at least a VoIP section. 43:45.180 --> 43:48.060 You put a voiceover, you separated the voiceover IP articles, right? 43:48.160 --> 43:50.020 Did you do something else, or? 43:50.020 --> 43:53.420 Uh, well, it's a VoIP slash asterisk, actually. 43:53.660 --> 43:55.140 Ah, that's what it was, okay. 43:56.020 --> 43:59.660 I mean, even though some of them have, like, it's kind of weird because, I mean, some of 43:59.660 --> 44:05.240 them are Perl, you know, and so they kind of fall into two categories, but I left it 44:05.240 --> 44:10.760 under, you know, it's made for asterisk, so I put it under the VoIP slash asterisk section. 44:11.040 --> 44:12.060 Yeah, that's probably the best. 44:12.080 --> 44:12.820 So there's some good stuff in there. 44:13.060 --> 44:14.360 Yeah, that's probably the best idea. 44:15.340 --> 44:17.240 I mean, VoIP's, like, so hot right now. 44:17.620 --> 44:18.200 Oh, yeah. 44:18.580 --> 44:19.320 Oh, man. 44:19.320 --> 44:24.220 Even me, I'm not a freak, but even me, I'm excited about VoIP. 44:24.840 --> 44:25.440 Yeah, see? 44:25.700 --> 44:28.500 I've been playing with some stuff myself with my new VoIP set up. 44:28.900 --> 44:34.720 I don't have all the asterisk stuff that you guys have, and I have a box here that I was 44:34.720 --> 44:38.680 going to do it, and I finally just said, you know what, don't overcommit to another project 44:38.680 --> 44:41.780 that you're not going to have time to do, so I'm not going to get into it like you guys. 44:41.780 --> 44:44.560 Because you guys can teach me that stuff. 44:44.960 --> 44:46.200 I'll let you guys handle that. 44:47.240 --> 44:52.880 Because I know between you and Not Theory and Voodoo Howl, all you guys. 44:53.020 --> 44:53.360 Nick 84. 44:53.780 --> 44:54.740 Yeah, Nick 84. 44:54.880 --> 44:55.340 Yep, good. 44:55.340 --> 44:55.680 Good, good. 44:57.800 --> 44:58.400 Oh, man. 44:58.480 --> 44:59.800 Pepsi Edge is horrible. 45:02.360 --> 45:02.680 Yeah. 45:02.680 --> 45:07.120 All right, well, let's, and I guess that's all that you're working on that we can mention 45:07.120 --> 45:07.880 on the air, right? 45:07.920 --> 45:08.880 That's all we can talk about. 45:09.280 --> 45:10.940 So, unless, did you have something else? 45:11.940 --> 45:12.640 Oh, I don't know. 45:12.700 --> 45:15.620 I just want, you know, I just want people to know that I'm maintaining it and everything 45:15.620 --> 45:20.160 now, and I just want, you know, just send me email, let me know what you think, if I'm 45:20.160 --> 45:22.300 doing a good job or if I'm doing a bad job or what. 45:22.400 --> 45:27.180 I mean, I'm kind of like, I was kind of nervous taking over and everything. 45:28.180 --> 45:32.280 It's got, it's like a certain quality level, and I didn't want to, I didn't want to bring 45:32.280 --> 45:32.720 it down. 45:33.460 --> 45:37.700 Well, I can, I can tell you as a matter of a fact right here on the air that you're not 45:37.700 --> 45:38.280 taking it down. 45:38.340 --> 45:39.820 You're doing a fantastic job. 45:39.820 --> 45:41.180 It's moving wonderfully. 45:42.380 --> 45:42.400 Cool. 45:42.500 --> 45:43.060 Thanks a lot. 45:43.180 --> 45:43.280 Yeah. 45:43.360 --> 45:47.780 So, yeah, if anybody has anything to say, just email me, and if you have articles to 45:47.780 --> 45:52.700 send in or if you have sites with some stuff that you want to, you know, you got some like 45:52.700 --> 45:55.800 Perl scripts or something, some hack freak stuff. 45:55.900 --> 45:56.600 Some scans. 45:56.600 --> 45:57.100 Send it to me. 45:57.520 --> 45:59.300 You got scans or some back spoofs? 46:00.160 --> 46:01.720 Yeah, definitely back spoofs. 46:02.680 --> 46:05.200 I don't know if too many people know about back spoofs. 46:05.460 --> 46:06.880 Well, they have to, you know what? 46:06.880 --> 46:09.900 They're going to have to buy the second issue. 46:10.220 --> 46:11.060 Is it a second issue? 46:12.380 --> 46:13.200 Third issue. 46:14.420 --> 46:15.260 Yeah, the third issue. 46:15.340 --> 46:15.820 Third issue. 46:15.940 --> 46:16.460 The last one. 46:16.700 --> 46:17.880 I don't even, yeah, that's terrible. 46:18.020 --> 46:19.300 I've lost track of my own magazine. 46:19.440 --> 46:20.600 There's only three issues out. 46:20.600 --> 46:27.340 Issue 2.1, the third issue of Binary Revolution magazine, has the back spoofing article, and 46:27.340 --> 46:28.220 yeah, I agree with you. 46:28.280 --> 46:33.680 I don't think people realize how cool back spoofing really is. 46:33.960 --> 46:40.300 You've got to buy issue 2.1, the green cover, the latest issue of Binary Revolution magazine, 46:40.680 --> 46:42.780 and read that article by Not Theory. 46:42.780 --> 46:50.840 He discovered that it's really, really cool, and you can get a lot of cool information, 46:51.920 --> 46:55.940 and, you know, it's evident by going out and checking out your back spoofing scans and stuff 46:55.940 --> 46:57.100 on oldschoolfreak.com. 46:57.980 --> 46:58.080 Yeah. 46:58.300 --> 46:59.240 Oh, and you know what else? 46:59.580 --> 47:03.420 We probably can't go into detail, but I got some articles from you, didn't I? 47:04.340 --> 47:09.220 Yeah, I wrote an article about back spoofing, like a follow-up to Not Theory's article, actually. 47:09.340 --> 47:10.040 Yep, that's what... 47:10.040 --> 47:12.340 So that'll hopefully be in the next issue. 47:12.480 --> 47:13.100 Yeah, that's likely... 47:13.100 --> 47:14.360 It'll be coming out this winter, right? 47:15.080 --> 47:16.220 Well, knock on wood. 47:16.940 --> 47:23.760 We have jobs and lives, and I have already edited about a third of the articles this past weekend, 47:23.760 --> 47:24.980 so it is underway. 47:25.800 --> 47:27.600 I have spoken with Logan Five. 47:28.000 --> 47:33.340 We're both just horribly swamped at work right now, so we are both trying to squeeze it in 47:33.340 --> 47:38.140 as much as we can, so the process of creating the new one has begun, and yes, we do hope 47:38.140 --> 47:42.960 to get it out by the end of December, hopefully, but we can't commit or swear to that, so don't 47:42.960 --> 47:45.340 get all bent out of shape if it's not there. 47:46.320 --> 47:49.160 Yeah, you know, people need to realize people got lives. 47:50.840 --> 47:52.700 You know, and I mentioned... 47:52.700 --> 47:54.580 I want to give you a pat on the back for this, too. 47:54.580 --> 47:56.580 I mentioned on... 47:56.580 --> 48:02.580 It might have been the last show, the last episode, or a recent episode, about... 48:02.580 --> 48:12.260 I went on a little soapbox about using your time wisely, and how, like, I wrote the introduction 48:12.260 --> 48:18.140 for this issue of the magazine on the plane ride on the way to Freaknik, and a little 48:18.140 --> 48:19.620 bit on the way back, I polished it up. 48:19.620 --> 48:25.420 In addition to writing those, I also studied for one of my certification exams that I'm 48:25.420 --> 48:30.940 going to be taking, and I guess as long as we're doing this, I don't want to lead this 48:30.940 --> 48:35.120 way, but if you're done, I'll go into my show and tell stuff, I guess, kind of, but I'm 48:35.120 --> 48:39.300 bringing this up because you did something that I... 48:39.300 --> 48:43.460 You probably don't even realize that I noticed this, but it means a lot when I see somebody. 48:43.560 --> 48:49.980 It's a good sign for me when I see somebody do this, and that is, at Freaknik, in the 48:49.980 --> 48:55.100 hotel room, when there was downtime and there was nothing going on, you were on your laptop 48:55.100 --> 48:56.500 and working on this article. 48:57.240 --> 49:03.220 And that, sincerely, is a sign of somebody who really wants to learn and wants to do this. 49:03.220 --> 49:07.200 And I know you don't think that I noticed that, and I don't want to sound all corny or 49:07.200 --> 49:11.460 anything like that, but that was really, it really was, I was very impressed to have 49:11.460 --> 49:11.720 seen it. 49:11.780 --> 49:18.080 That was very cool, using your time, using free time, getting stuff done, you know, I 49:18.080 --> 49:19.020 thought that was really cool. 49:19.480 --> 49:23.400 And those, that's the article that you submitted for us, so... 49:23.400 --> 49:24.620 There's actually two articles. 49:25.540 --> 49:30.580 Right, right, and I've actually, I have not edited them, but I did give them the quick scan, 49:30.580 --> 49:33.280 the quick once-over, and they both look pretty good. 49:33.700 --> 49:36.680 I don't know if we're going to get them both in this issue, one might have to wait until 49:36.680 --> 49:37.580 next, I'm not sure. 49:38.100 --> 49:40.220 We'll see how the space situation works out. 49:40.920 --> 49:45.540 But, yeah, they both look good at first glance, and one of them is definitely going to be in 49:45.540 --> 49:45.740 there. 49:46.860 --> 49:47.220 Rad. 49:47.600 --> 49:52.220 Yeah, I was pretty busy, you know, and then I was just, I was like, now or never. 49:52.540 --> 49:52.820 Yeah. 49:53.320 --> 49:54.300 I did at Freaknik. 49:54.820 --> 49:57.100 Yeah, that's the thing, because you know when you're done with Freaknik, you've got to go 49:57.100 --> 49:58.040 back home and go to work. 49:58.860 --> 49:59.340 Yeah, exactly. 49:59.340 --> 50:01.560 You've got to get in where you fit in, you know? 50:02.220 --> 50:03.240 We've got to speed up here. 50:03.300 --> 50:04.800 I'm going to make mine very quick. 50:04.940 --> 50:08.480 I had quite a bit going on this past week, but I'm going to make it short because we're 50:08.480 --> 50:10.040 running on time a little bit. 50:11.020 --> 50:13.120 I mentioned Visual Studio earlier. 50:13.360 --> 50:16.520 I've actually been using VisualStudio.net. 50:16.720 --> 50:24.200 I've never, I know about it, I've seen it, I've opened it up before, and then stood there 50:24.200 --> 50:28.400 with my jaw hanging open at all of the buttons and all of the stuff that's on the screen going, 50:28.400 --> 50:29.300 and where do I begin? 50:30.300 --> 50:33.640 Well, earlier this week, I just said, forget it. 50:34.040 --> 50:38.900 I dove in, in the deep end, off the high dive, head first. 50:39.660 --> 50:43.360 All right, well, maybe not off the high dive, but I jumped into the deep end and went straight 50:43.360 --> 50:47.520 into working on some Visual Studio stuff. 50:47.520 --> 50:53.020 I had a couple projects in mind that I wanted to work on, and I just started doing them. 50:53.800 --> 50:59.320 And I hope it's not totally messing up the recording here that my other phone, we're on 50:59.320 --> 51:02.040 the VoIP phone, so my real phone is ringing in the background. 51:02.200 --> 51:02.820 That's pretty funny. 51:02.820 --> 51:08.540 But I, let's see here, what was I going to say? 51:08.620 --> 51:16.060 I am working on some VisualStudio.net stuff, and it's pretty simple that, like I said, it 51:16.060 --> 51:21.420 lets you draw the buttons, it lets you do all the work, or excuse me, it does all the work 51:21.420 --> 51:26.240 for you so that you can concentrate just on the application of the code itself and stuff 51:26.240 --> 51:26.740 like that. 51:27.140 --> 51:33.080 So I jumped in, and quite frankly, somebody who had no experience whatsoever, somebody 51:33.080 --> 51:37.840 who'd never used it before, and in a matter of about an hour, I had laid out the entire 51:37.840 --> 51:43.020 application, I had the buttons, I had everything created, and I went straight over to the code 51:43.020 --> 51:49.360 and was actually filling in the rest of the code as I went along, and it's not quite done 51:49.360 --> 51:53.800 yet because I ended up getting sidetracked on something else, as usually happens to me, 51:53.800 --> 52:01.900 unfortunately. And I ended up having to abandon it temporarily, or at least move on to something 52:01.900 --> 52:09.280 else temporarily. So I was really surprised at exactly how easy it was. So when I speak 52:09.280 --> 52:13.400 earlier about, you know, when I was talking earlier about how easy it is to jump into that, 52:14.200 --> 52:22.160 just to let you know, it's very, very, very easy. So I did that. I've done, I've been doing 52:22.160 --> 52:25.900 some database work. I'm a database programmer for the listeners who probably listened for 52:25.900 --> 52:30.940 a while, know that. And I've been working on a database lately that just is the biggest 52:30.940 --> 52:36.000 steaming piece of crap I've ever seen, ACT. I don't know if you've ever heard of ACT. 52:36.380 --> 52:42.340 It's a personal information manager, a contact managing program. What a piece of crap this 52:42.340 --> 52:46.660 product is. It's so horrible. It uses a proprietary database, everything stored internally. 52:46.660 --> 52:55.540 And that's fine. That's not necessarily unusual. But on top of that, it doesn't have any export 52:55.540 --> 53:00.540 functions. The only thing it'll do is export a comma separated value file. And it's only 53:00.540 --> 53:06.640 selected information. It doesn't export everything. It only exports the main fields. I need all of 53:06.640 --> 53:12.860 them. And the other thing that really blew my mind is that it's not ODBC compliant. And I thought 53:12.860 --> 53:24.160 that was just ridiculous. I can't believe that an application in 2004 is still doesn't have 53:24.160 --> 53:29.860 ODBC compliance built into it. I mean, that's ridiculous. But not going to go on that rant 53:29.860 --> 53:36.320 either. I actually have some happy news. I mentioned earlier that I switched to VoIP. Lucky 225 gave 53:36.320 --> 53:42.520 me a recommendation. So I got to shout him out with VoIP provider. And the other part of that, 53:42.520 --> 53:48.000 I was waiting to coincide these two things to switching to VoIP and installing and setting 53:48.000 --> 53:55.000 up my 5.8 gigahertz phone system. Since I've got everything coming through VoIP into one main 53:55.000 --> 54:00.240 unit now, I had to get one of those expandable so I'm able to put a handset in the other rooms 54:00.240 --> 54:06.300 where I had phones in the past. So I got that set up and working. I got a VTEC system. It's 54:06.300 --> 54:11.800 really cool because it has a USB port on it and audio uplink that I can connect to the computer 54:11.800 --> 54:15.520 and I can upload my own ringtones, wallpapers and stuff like that to the phone, which is 54:15.520 --> 54:21.000 really cool. Kind of silly maybe, but it's kind of cool to be able to put whatever person's 54:21.000 --> 54:26.080 picture, like anytime Natus calls, I can have that picture of him and the horse from Nashville 54:26.080 --> 54:30.680 show up on my screen. We got to put that in the gallery soon. 54:31.680 --> 54:32.040 Owned. 54:32.040 --> 54:39.120 Yeah, that was good stuff. And other than that, I'm kind of stoked because I had an article 54:39.120 --> 54:44.160 published in the current 2600, current issue of 2600, and the current issue of Blacklisted 54:44.160 --> 54:49.380 411. So that's kind of cool that I was in both at the same time. So that's what I've been 54:49.380 --> 54:57.420 working on and I'm talking really fast because I'm trying to get all this content in. We got 54:57.420 --> 55:04.000 two stories I wanted to cover. And Natus, help me out with this one because I'm going 55:04.000 --> 55:08.660 to take a drink here. But the story, give them the story. What happened with Microsoft? 55:08.800 --> 55:11.560 There was a big discovery with Microsoft this week. 55:12.640 --> 55:21.120 Yeah. So basically every, they found out that every copy of Windows XP contains nine different 55:21.120 --> 55:29.200 audio files. It's in a certain folder. It's in the help slash tours slash Windows Media 55:29.200 --> 55:35.040 Player slash audio slash wave. And there's all these wave files. And then if you open 55:35.040 --> 55:40.380 them up with a hex editor, they noticed at the bottom, you'll see a small signature or 55:40.380 --> 55:41.160 whatever it is. 55:41.160 --> 55:41.640 Right. 55:42.300 --> 55:47.260 It's in the last line. Then it says, what does it say? It says something about deep zone. 55:47.400 --> 55:54.580 Yeah. It's got some numbers in it and deep zone and then SoundForge 4.5. In plain text, 55:54.640 --> 56:00.920 you can clearly read that in the last line. And you can actually, again, it was help slash 56:00.920 --> 56:06.260 tours slash Windows Media Player slash audio slash wave. And you can open some of those up and take a 56:06.260 --> 56:10.620 look. You can open them even in notepad. It doesn't have to be a hex editor. The hex editor just 56:10.620 --> 56:14.660 kind of makes it cleaner and easier. But you can open them up in notepad and look at the bottom of 56:14.660 --> 56:23.120 them. Now, why is this big news? Why is this important? The fact that it says, well, see, there's two 56:23.120 --> 56:27.640 things. First, the audio files were created using, guess what? 56:30.040 --> 56:30.400 SoundForge. 56:30.520 --> 56:35.800 There you go. SoundForge 4.5. So seeing that signature in there, we know that they use SoundForge as the 56:35.800 --> 56:40.600 application to make their audio files. Big whoop. Who cares? Whatever. Well, that's not, 56:40.620 --> 56:47.720 the important part. The important part is just before that. Those numbers and letters and the 56:47.720 --> 56:57.840 name Deep Zone. That's the important part of this. Deep Zone. And it's been a while, so I know some of 56:57.840 --> 57:04.680 the younger people might not have heard of him or recognized the name Radium. But they were a cracking 57:04.680 --> 57:11.300 group. And they broke up a few years back. But they released key generators, software cracks, 57:11.400 --> 57:18.760 things like that. And actually, Zerl in the opening theme mentions things cracked by Radium. I mean, 57:18.780 --> 57:25.380 it's in the song. I mean, they are well known. And Deep Zone was one of the members. Well, 57:25.380 --> 57:30.520 why would his name? I mean, okay, SoundForge shows up in there because they use SoundForge. But why 57:30.520 --> 57:37.180 would the name of this cracker show up in the signature of this file? Now, wait a minute. Let 57:37.180 --> 57:43.760 me think. I'm suddenly, I'm a little confused. Where would that have come from? Let me think. 57:43.760 --> 57:53.080 Could it possibly be? You don't think, Natus, you don't think it's? Did they use pirated 57:53.080 --> 57:59.980 software at Microsoft? Why would they? No, not Microsoft. No, not Microsoft. Couldn't have 57:59.980 --> 58:07.200 been. Not our buddies at Redmond. Copyright infringement, anyone? Hello? Microsoft, that 58:07.200 --> 58:15.520 signature is definitely recognizable and is placed there if you're using a cracked version 58:15.520 --> 58:24.140 of SoundForge 4.5. So they used the cracked version of SoundForge 4.5. And that little 58:24.140 --> 58:29.140 signature, that little line at the end is proof that they used it. They're caught. They're 58:29.140 --> 58:36.380 busted red-handed. And it's on, as Natus mentioned earlier, every copy of Windows XP. 58:36.380 --> 58:43.820 It's on the CD. It's on every, it was released like that. All these, and we've talked before 58:43.820 --> 58:48.840 about like every file, your JPEGs even. You take a JPEG with a digital camera. There's 58:48.840 --> 58:54.120 all kinds of attributes. Not only file size and read-write attributes. There's all kinds 58:54.120 --> 58:59.780 of other things like an ID3 tag and MP3 files. Has all that extra information. Same thing with 58:59.780 --> 59:03.800 JPEGs. You take something with a digital camera, it adds a lot of information if you've ever put 59:03.800 --> 59:09.160 your name in your camera or some kind of customization, that would be tied to it. Microsoft got caught 59:09.160 --> 59:15.060 up in their own over-engineering, which I think is kind of funny. I can't wait to see if they 59:15.060 --> 59:22.040 get sued over this. I don't, I, I, I'm sure they'll dodge it. I'm sorry? 59:22.040 --> 59:28.600 It's pretty damn funny. It's a little bit, it's a little bit, uh, I don't know. It's 59:28.600 --> 59:31.100 like, I don't know if it's shocking. 59:31.400 --> 59:34.740 Like I was going to say, you really can't believe it. I mean, seriously. I mean, it's 59:34.740 --> 59:38.580 funny that it happened, but I really can't believe that you would think they'd be more 59:38.580 --> 59:38.940 careful. 59:39.660 --> 59:41.160 It's like so ironic, though. 59:41.360 --> 59:41.740 Yeah. 59:41.740 --> 59:45.460 Like, the richest, the richest company in the world, pirating software. 59:46.800 --> 59:53.100 Kind of be curious now, honestly, to, um, that's a good point. The richest company in 59:53.100 --> 59:58.500 the world, pirating software. That's a great point. Um, I'm kind of curious now to go looking 59:58.500 --> 01:00:02.980 and see what other files have that signature in it, or other files with other signatures 01:00:02.980 --> 01:00:07.380 and start catching and start seeing that kind of information. I hope this doesn't turn into 01:00:07.380 --> 01:00:13.380 like a big crackdown where people start doing that. But, hey, we'll see what comes of it. 01:00:13.740 --> 01:00:17.780 Now, the thing about, the other funny thing about this, and the reason I say Microsoft will 01:00:17.780 --> 01:00:24.580 probably end up getting off scot-free, they'll get out of it somehow, um, is because SourceForge 01:00:24.580 --> 01:00:30.520 at the time, 4.5 was like the last one they released as SourceForge before they sold the 01:00:30.520 --> 01:00:35.300 rights. Now, the rights, I'm sorry, I said SourceForge, I think, I meant SoundForge, I think 01:00:35.300 --> 01:00:45.400 I said SourceForge. But SoundForge now is owned by my other favorite company, Sony. Sony bought 01:00:45.400 --> 01:00:51.840 the rights to SoundForge and releases the newer versions. So, it's kind of, another cool thing 01:00:51.840 --> 01:00:56.800 about this is it's kind of cool to see the two big boys, the big companies, fighting with 01:00:56.800 --> 01:01:01.280 each other for a change. Let them fight each other. Let them sue each other to death instead 01:01:01.280 --> 01:01:05.980 of all these big companies coming down and suing 12 and 13 year old girls and 80 year old women and 01:01:05.980 --> 01:01:10.580 stuff like that. Let's see them take on someone their own size. I want to sit back and watch this. 01:01:11.860 --> 01:01:15.620 But, you know, quite honestly, I think they're both going to back down. They're both going to be scared 01:01:15.620 --> 01:01:19.700 of each other and they're going to end up working out some kind of silly agreement and there won't 01:01:19.700 --> 01:01:24.620 be any punishment. Nothing will come of it. And the other thing is there's a, there is kind of a 01:01:24.620 --> 01:01:29.460 potential for a loophole here. If Microsoft can prove, or I don't know how much they have to prove, 01:01:29.460 --> 01:01:33.980 they can claim that all their audio work might have been outsourced because that happens a lot, 01:01:34.060 --> 01:01:39.440 especially in games and different software. They'll outsource the software to someone else or they'll 01:01:39.440 --> 01:01:47.600 buy stock libraries of sound files or video files or picture files, etc. And if they claim that it was 01:01:47.600 --> 01:01:52.960 done by a contractor, that it wasn't actually developed in-house by them, then the liability shifts to 01:01:52.960 --> 01:01:58.340 someone else. So, they'll get out of it some way or the other. One of those things is going to happen. 01:01:58.340 --> 01:02:00.740 I'd feel bad for the contractor. 01:02:01.740 --> 01:02:06.500 Yeah, well, then they'd have to prove the contractor as well, did it? And, you know, it's, I don't know. 01:02:06.720 --> 01:02:10.860 Yeah, well, let's see how it all plays out. It's very interesting. This just came out yesterday, so 01:02:10.860 --> 01:02:17.480 it's pretty interesting. Let's see where that goes. I suspect it'll end up, Microsoft just 01:02:17.480 --> 01:02:22.480 has a way of not, I don't know what I'm trying to say. 01:02:22.480 --> 01:02:23.280 Either way out of it. 01:02:23.280 --> 01:02:26.800 Yeah, I don't know what I'm trying to say. They'll get away with it, you know. They're 01:02:26.800 --> 01:02:27.180 Microsoft. 01:02:28.180 --> 01:02:28.400 Yeah. 01:02:28.640 --> 01:02:32.980 You know, nobody can touch Microsoft. Not even the government. They're too big for the government 01:02:32.980 --> 01:02:37.540 to mess with. Because, you know what, if the government mess was with them, Bill says, 01:02:37.600 --> 01:02:41.880 you know what, you guys all use Windows, right? Let me just shut you guys off real quick. 01:02:42.280 --> 01:02:49.100 Government, bye-bye. Gone. Meanwhile, of course, all the governments of most other major developing 01:02:49.100 --> 01:02:57.180 countries use Linux. And that was the kind of the cover and the opening, my opening introduction 01:02:57.180 --> 01:03:04.260 for issue 1.2 of our magazine was that exact topic. The United States is still caught up 01:03:04.260 --> 01:03:12.800 and in bed with Microsoft. And that's dangerous. But I digress. I had one other topic I wanted 01:03:12.800 --> 01:03:16.880 to cover tonight. And actually, Natas, you can probably talk about this more than I can because 01:03:16.880 --> 01:03:23.080 I just recently installed this. And what I'm talking about is that Google Desktop, is that 01:03:23.080 --> 01:03:27.180 all it's called? Google Desktop Search or Google Desktop Indexer or something like that? 01:03:28.060 --> 01:03:29.540 I think it's just called Google Desktop. 01:03:29.860 --> 01:03:33.540 Just the Google Desktop. Well, I finally broke down and installed it and played with it. 01:03:33.760 --> 01:03:38.220 But you put it on like right when it came out, didn't you? I know you're a fan of Google. 01:03:39.220 --> 01:03:43.700 Yeah. No, I like Google. And yeah, I was kind of excited when it came out because I just 01:03:43.700 --> 01:03:48.640 thought it would be a good way to index text files and everything. Just so if I was looking 01:03:48.640 --> 01:03:51.860 for a certain number, real quick, I would know what file it was in. 01:03:52.560 --> 01:03:55.700 Oh, that would be really handy for scans and things like that. Yeah. 01:03:56.320 --> 01:04:00.120 Right. I would never put it on like my server at work or anything. But this is just something 01:04:00.120 --> 01:04:05.300 I put on my home desktop. And I put it on a laptop that I just screw around with and 01:04:05.300 --> 01:04:06.760 think of format whenever I want it. 01:04:07.160 --> 01:04:11.080 Right. And that's really the moral of this whole story. And I think a few people have mentioned 01:04:11.080 --> 01:04:16.420 this and discovered this. This thing will index not only your text files, but all of 01:04:16.420 --> 01:04:21.480 your files, no matter what they are. It'll index all of your files, including your porn. 01:04:22.980 --> 01:04:26.440 I mean, not that I had any or anything. I'm just saying theoretically, of course. 01:04:27.720 --> 01:04:31.120 I'm not saying it indexed my porn. I mean, I don't have any porn. Wait a minute. Hold 01:04:31.120 --> 01:04:36.720 on. Scratch that. Back up. It'll index all of your files. Joking aside, it'll index everything. 01:04:36.720 --> 01:04:41.940 And not only that, it can index your – you know what else I found? I found – when 01:04:41.940 --> 01:04:49.280 I did some Google searches, I found – it found for me and reported stuff from my cache, which 01:04:49.280 --> 01:04:52.460 was kind of scary. I didn't realize it was going to do that. But technically, all this 01:04:52.460 --> 01:04:57.100 stuff in the cache is a file, and it does get indexed. So I had some remnants out in the 01:04:57.100 --> 01:05:02.620 cache that I was surprised to show up on a search when I looked for some stuff. But at the 01:05:02.620 --> 01:05:06.980 same time, I've got to tell you, I searched for some specific things that I knew existed 01:05:06.980 --> 01:05:11.600 to see how many copies I had or something, and they didn't show up. So I don't know how 01:05:11.600 --> 01:05:17.160 thorough this is. I had some text files with a couple certain keywords in it that I was 01:05:17.160 --> 01:05:20.600 looking for, and it did not find them. Not all of them. 01:05:20.600 --> 01:05:26.900 Well, the whole thing is that it takes a little bit of time for it to index everything. 01:05:26.900 --> 01:05:28.880 Yeah. When I installed it – 01:05:28.880 --> 01:05:35.520 It doesn't do it right away. It uses your idle CPU cycles to index everything. 01:05:35.720 --> 01:05:41.400 When I first installed it, it said it was going to take several hours. And basically, 01:05:41.560 --> 01:05:46.760 I did it before I went to bed and let it run overnight. So it should be fully indexed by 01:05:46.760 --> 01:05:53.760 now. Of course, it's an ongoing process. As you add new files and move stuff around, it's 01:05:53.760 --> 01:05:57.600 going to keep re-indexing and everything. But the bulk of it should be done up front 01:05:57.600 --> 01:06:01.920 in one mass process at the beginning. 01:06:03.680 --> 01:06:09.940 So yeah, the thing is, if you're using it on a computer at home, like Nada said, if you're 01:06:09.940 --> 01:06:16.460 using it on just a computer that only you use, then it's fine. Then it's great. I won't 01:06:16.460 --> 01:06:20.980 say it's great, but it could be useful in certain situations. Frankly, I don't know that I'm going 01:06:20.980 --> 01:06:25.300 to use it a whole lot, to be quite honestly with you. I tried it a couple times. And it 01:06:25.300 --> 01:06:29.620 also integrates with the regular Google. I went on the Google search engine page to search 01:06:29.620 --> 01:06:33.540 for something. And at the top of that, it shows the local files on my hard drive first. 01:06:34.340 --> 01:06:34.700 Yeah. 01:06:34.860 --> 01:06:40.460 I didn't want that. I just wanted a separate indexing for local files only. So that kind 01:06:40.460 --> 01:06:44.520 of annoyed me because I just want my web results. I don't want the local results. 01:06:44.520 --> 01:06:49.520 Yeah. They should have a feature to disable it. There might be, and I just haven't found 01:06:49.520 --> 01:06:49.700 it. 01:06:50.640 --> 01:06:53.580 Yeah. I don't think I haven't found it either because it's all there online. 01:06:53.820 --> 01:06:56.580 Yeah. I haven't looked. I pretty much just set it up and got the basics. 01:06:58.220 --> 01:07:00.340 But I mean, this is only beta still, you know? 01:07:00.860 --> 01:07:03.800 Oh, it is beta. I did not know if it was beta or not. Is it still beta version? 01:07:04.460 --> 01:07:04.760 Yep. 01:07:04.980 --> 01:07:09.620 Okay. I don't remember whether it was or not. I just downloaded it when they announced it. 01:07:09.620 --> 01:07:13.940 Yeah. I don't know. Google is pretty good about listening to what users want and what 01:07:13.940 --> 01:07:18.620 they don't want and stuff. So if enough people complain about some of this stuff, it might 01:07:18.620 --> 01:07:19.220 help, you know? 01:07:19.640 --> 01:07:23.980 Yeah. One other cool thing that I didn't, I wasn't intending to bring this up on the 01:07:23.980 --> 01:07:29.920 show, but since you mentioned Google changes, they added Pop3 support to Gmail. Did you see 01:07:29.920 --> 01:07:30.140 that? 01:07:30.240 --> 01:07:34.800 Yeah. Yeah, I did. And like the whole thing is that they're making money off of you revealing 01:07:34.800 --> 01:07:36.920 the ads when you log into the site and everything. 01:07:37.580 --> 01:07:38.360 Yeah, but how are they... 01:07:38.360 --> 01:07:39.480 It's kind of weird that they actually did that. 01:07:39.480 --> 01:07:45.200 I know, and I'm still surprised, and they claim that they are fully intending this. I 01:07:45.200 --> 01:07:49.500 mean, it's still... Gmail also is in beta still, and this is something they just added 01:07:49.500 --> 01:07:52.980 recently, but they claim that they're going to keep it in there for the long term. They 01:07:52.980 --> 01:08:00.260 have no plans of taking it out. So I thought that was kind of cool. I have actually added 01:08:00.260 --> 01:08:04.960 Gmail to my local mail checks, just like I check all my other servers. I check the Gmail 01:08:04.960 --> 01:08:12.380 server remotely now too. I leave copies of it on Gmail because it's a gigabyte of space. I mean, 01:08:12.680 --> 01:08:18.520 might as well use it. And again, I told you earlier about some other tricks I'm using it for, which is 01:08:18.520 --> 01:08:25.460 going to be kind of cool. So yeah, Google's doing some cool things. Now this, the only point I wanted 01:08:25.460 --> 01:08:29.200 to bring up other... We made the point, but I just wanted to make people think also like this. 01:08:29.740 --> 01:08:34.320 Don't put this on a system at work, not only a server, but even on your personal system at work 01:08:34.320 --> 01:08:40.660 because it then indexes your personal emails. And if somebody comes along behind you and does a 01:08:40.660 --> 01:08:45.560 search, even if it's innocent, even if it's part of a work process, if they do a search for something, 01:08:45.640 --> 01:08:51.640 it might accidentally pop up one of your email subject lines or something like that, potentially 01:08:51.640 --> 01:08:58.420 embarrassing, depending on what you're searching for, etc. But potentially embarrassing and a privacy 01:08:58.420 --> 01:09:05.140 invasion. But they could argue that you shouldn't have extra software at work anyway, but that's 01:09:05.140 --> 01:09:12.480 neither here nor there. The other cool, interesting thing is what if you go to a kiosk? And this is on 01:09:12.480 --> 01:09:19.240 my list of things to try. If I go to a kiosk and either I have access to Google and it allows me to 01:09:19.240 --> 01:09:24.780 download and install things, which most of them shouldn't. They prevent that. Or if I root it and 01:09:24.780 --> 01:09:31.560 put it on anyway, if I break into, if I, if I root the kiosk and get access to install, if I put it on 01:09:31.560 --> 01:09:36.620 there, let that thing index and see everything that's on there. I can start searching for, for 01:09:36.620 --> 01:09:44.080 example, oh, I don't know, password, something like that, usernames, default, stuff like that. So 01:09:44.080 --> 01:09:49.100 I think that might be an interesting application of it. And whether or not it's a kiosk or not, 01:09:49.620 --> 01:09:54.180 you know, if I'm having a sleepover at Natas' house, if we're having like a pajama party and I 01:09:54.180 --> 01:09:58.220 sneak onto Natas' computer and install it, I can search all through his stuff. 01:10:00.160 --> 01:10:00.960 How about that? 01:10:00.960 --> 01:10:01.580 Uh-oh, fear. 01:10:01.960 --> 01:10:04.220 Fear. Owned! 01:10:05.620 --> 01:10:09.220 All right. Well, I guess that's probably enough. Unless, is there anything about... 01:10:09.220 --> 01:10:11.560 Well, what are you going to talk about? You didn't mention how, um, 01:10:12.180 --> 01:10:14.800 it bypasses password-protected files as well. 01:10:15.300 --> 01:10:18.800 Yeah, I, yeah, go ahead. I, I absolutely did not mention that. Go ahead. 01:10:19.560 --> 01:10:20.400 Password-protected. 01:10:21.280 --> 01:10:28.620 I noticed this on my computer when I was testing it out. I had some Word files that I have password-protected. 01:10:29.540 --> 01:10:34.340 I mean, I'm not trying to be like uber secure with them or anything, but just, you know, 01:10:34.400 --> 01:10:39.740 for basic stuff like somebody else at work or my parents or something, couldn't get into it. 01:10:39.740 --> 01:10:45.860 Just like basic Word files of like, I don't know, like company data or something. And once I opened 01:10:45.860 --> 01:10:50.860 them, once you open them, it indexes them. So even, even if they're password-protected, 01:10:51.000 --> 01:10:52.820 it's got an indexed copy of it. 01:10:53.220 --> 01:10:56.560 And it's a copy of not just the file name, but the actual contents? 01:10:57.400 --> 01:10:57.720 Yeah. 01:10:57.720 --> 01:11:03.900 Wow, that's scary. So if I search for it, and it gives me a link to that local file, 01:11:04.020 --> 01:11:09.760 it'll actually, like if it's a password-protected document file, it'll allow me to open it? 01:11:10.440 --> 01:11:12.700 It won't allow you to open it, because, um... 01:11:12.700 --> 01:11:13.960 It's still password-protected. 01:11:14.380 --> 01:11:17.940 It's still password-protected, but it'll have a cache of it that you could get. 01:11:17.940 --> 01:11:22.600 And you can search all the keywords, all your search will look through the contents of 01:11:22.600 --> 01:11:28.000 that file. And the same thing, isn't that also true for password-protected email accounts 01:11:28.000 --> 01:11:28.740 and stuff as well? 01:11:29.800 --> 01:11:30.760 I'm guessing, yeah. 01:11:30.760 --> 01:11:33.620 I think so. I think I read that somewhere as well. 01:11:34.200 --> 01:11:38.220 Yeah, if you open it, it's going to index it. It basically is like the thing to remember. 01:11:40.220 --> 01:11:44.740 Well, I guess all my show notes are indexed. That could be handy if I want to go search 01:11:44.740 --> 01:11:46.940 through 70 episodes of show notes. 01:11:47.940 --> 01:11:51.380 So I have a reason. I guess I will keep it on here at home, but I'm definitely not going 01:11:51.380 --> 01:11:55.360 to put it anywhere else other than a very, very trusted machine. I also wouldn't put 01:11:55.360 --> 01:12:00.680 it on my laptop. Laptop, you have a tendency to let people borrow them or use them or whatever, 01:12:00.680 --> 01:12:05.300 or you're using them in front of people, and you could be potentially caught in something 01:12:05.300 --> 01:12:05.780 embarrassing. 01:12:07.300 --> 01:12:14.500 It'd be a good feature if they could just keep it so it only does certain folders you want 01:12:14.500 --> 01:12:15.260 or something, you know? 01:12:15.580 --> 01:12:15.860 Right. 01:12:15.940 --> 01:12:16.780 Like certain directories. 01:12:16.780 --> 01:12:21.300 Yeah. Well, like you said, it's beta. Maybe they will add some of that stuff in. 01:12:21.880 --> 01:12:23.320 Mm-hmm. You never know. 01:12:23.840 --> 01:12:28.920 All right. Well, I guess that's... I can't think of anything else for that. I'm glad you 01:12:28.920 --> 01:12:31.100 brought that up, though. That was a good point. I forgot all about it. 01:12:31.680 --> 01:12:31.960 Yeah. 01:12:31.960 --> 01:12:37.840 So I guess, you know, this is a full show. I mean, we're just about out of time. By the 01:12:37.840 --> 01:12:42.340 time we mix in the opening, closing music and stuff, I think we're done here. So let's 01:12:42.340 --> 01:12:46.300 move into the shout-outs. I'll tell you what, I'll go ahead and give a couple shout-outs 01:12:46.300 --> 01:12:50.740 first. To Black Ratchet. I've been talking with him lately. I've been working on some 01:12:50.740 --> 01:12:58.740 stuff. Obfuscated to Logo SX and to the old man Logan 5. Happy birthday. Big shouts out 01:12:58.740 --> 01:13:01.360 to Logan 5. Yeah, yeah. And what else you got? 01:13:01.360 --> 01:13:05.580 Um, I got shouts. I don't know. 01:13:06.160 --> 01:13:09.720 Oh, yes, you do. Not theory. Go ahead. 01:13:09.740 --> 01:13:10.540 Not theory, my hero. 01:13:10.600 --> 01:13:11.320 There you go. 01:13:11.340 --> 01:13:12.080 The least programmer ever. 01:13:16.320 --> 01:13:22.320 Yeah, I don't know. Normal people. Nick84, of course, helps me out all the time. Just everybody 01:13:22.320 --> 01:13:25.580 on the BinRev forums, Decoder, the cutest. 01:13:25.580 --> 01:13:31.260 Nick84. All those guys. Nick84 hasn't banned you from Instant Messenger? He hasn't blocked 01:13:31.260 --> 01:13:35.260 you from Instant Messenger yet? I don't talk to him on Instant Messenger. I talk to him on 01:13:35.260 --> 01:13:41.500 the PMs. Oh, gotcha. Yeah, he's probably getting pretty sick of me, though, so. Shouts 01:13:41.500 --> 01:13:49.580 to him for not killing me. No, Nick's a great guy. He always helps out. I bother him with 01:13:49.580 --> 01:13:54.280 stuff, too. He knows, I mean, Nick knows his stuff. There's no doubt. Nick84 is the man. 01:13:55.580 --> 01:13:56.060 Oh, yeah. 01:13:56.960 --> 01:14:03.160 Um, all right, well, uh, let's see. Email, if you have feedback for this or any other episode, 01:14:03.680 --> 01:14:08.400 you can email us at radio at binrev.com. And, uh, let's, why don't you go ahead and tell, 01:14:08.500 --> 01:14:10.420 what was the email address for Old School Freak? 01:14:11.740 --> 01:14:13.780 Natus at oldschoolfreak.com. 01:14:14.060 --> 01:14:18.380 Okay, if you have any submissions, scans, phone freaking articles, content, stuff like 01:14:18.380 --> 01:14:26.880 that, send that over there. Um, and our closing music tonight, I'm really, really tempted to 01:14:26.880 --> 01:14:33.100 play Betallica. I'm kind of, I'm kind of tempted to play Metallica, but, yeah, I don't want to 01:14:33.100 --> 01:14:39.560 get sued because they sue everybody. Cry babies. Um, Betallica, on the other hand, gave us permission 01:14:39.560 --> 01:14:46.700 to play their songs. So, I'm tempted to do that, but, yeah, actually, you hooked me up 01:14:46.700 --> 01:14:51.780 with something better. We got a little Dirty South crunk to drop on them, provided by Natus. 01:14:52.440 --> 01:14:54.360 And, uh, go ahead and tell them who it is. 01:14:55.200 --> 01:15:01.060 Uh, it's called the, he's called the Mr. Move. His name's Reggie. Pretty badass. White guy. 01:15:01.060 --> 01:15:02.140 He's doing his thing. 01:15:02.940 --> 01:15:06.720 And the name of the track that we're going to play is Liquor Jam. 01:15:07.700 --> 01:15:11.580 And you know what, and you know what, I, I asked, I had to ask Natus for this. 01:15:11.900 --> 01:15:15.820 I asked Natus for this song because you have this on your voicemail. 01:15:16.980 --> 01:15:21.760 And I sit there and I'm like, man, this is kind of, I'm rocking to this, man. This is good stuff. 01:15:22.500 --> 01:15:26.360 I actually had to find out what it was, so we're going to close with that track. 01:15:27.260 --> 01:15:29.900 Um, and I guess that's going to do it. 01:15:29.900 --> 01:15:32.120 So, Natus, thank you for co-hosting the show with me. 01:15:32.860 --> 01:15:33.420 You're welcome. 01:15:33.720 --> 01:15:34.940 Thank you all for having me on. It was fun. 01:15:35.200 --> 01:15:37.220 Yeah, you did a really, really good job. 01:15:37.500 --> 01:15:40.260 First time on the show. Not too nervous. It's kind of, it's fun. 01:15:40.360 --> 01:15:43.040 It's, it's not that, it's not all that big a deal. 01:15:43.940 --> 01:15:46.000 Um, but, thank you for being on. 01:15:46.220 --> 01:15:50.800 And, uh, this is the point where we tell all the listeners that we will see them next week. 01:15:51.260 --> 01:15:52.180 Same hack time. 01:15:53.180 --> 01:15:54.100 Same hack channel. 01:15:55.220 --> 01:15:56.560 Actually, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Hold on. 01:15:57.380 --> 01:15:57.700 Natus. 01:15:58.520 --> 01:15:58.760 Yeah. 01:15:58.880 --> 01:15:59.260 Wait a minute. 01:15:59.260 --> 01:16:00.700 Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. 01:16:01.480 --> 01:16:05.600 I just realized, you're running OldSchoolFreak.com. 01:16:06.380 --> 01:16:06.860 Yeah. 01:16:07.280 --> 01:16:08.780 You're co-hosting the show. 01:16:09.840 --> 01:16:10.180 Uh-huh. 01:16:10.460 --> 01:16:13.980 We, we shared a room at the hotel at Freaknik. 01:16:14.640 --> 01:16:19.400 What in the, what, what is up with all this, why are you all up in DDP's business? 01:16:19.560 --> 01:16:21.180 What's, what's up with all the DDP stuff? 01:16:21.900 --> 01:16:23.160 The DDP bitch. 01:16:23.640 --> 01:16:24.900 The dog pound. 01:16:26.000 --> 01:16:27.100 Welcome aboard. 01:16:27.100 --> 01:16:28.380 Yeah. 01:16:28.380 --> 01:16:28.740 Yeah. 01:16:28.740 --> 01:16:28.860 Yeah. 01:16:28.860 --> 01:16:33.260 Thank you. 01:16:37.260 --> 01:16:38.420 I'm at the farm. 01:16:38.540 --> 01:16:39.440 Yeah. 01:16:39.440 --> 01:16:41.500 Now I'm living full, thought I'd rather party with a dick girl 01:16:41.500 --> 01:16:43.500 Then a skinny model, the doctor said, you need some shots 01:16:43.500 --> 01:16:45.760 So I took her to the floor with the skull, I got the hot floor 01:16:45.760 --> 01:16:47.760 Now that I'm thinking, he didn't be drinking, he was talking about the needle 01:16:47.760 --> 01:16:49.360 Never said the wheedle, help not hinder 01:16:49.360 --> 01:16:51.740 My hidden agenda, getting that pretty girl to fender 01:16:51.740 --> 01:16:54.500 Body, open mind, brawl shook behind, down to the grind 01:16:54.500 --> 01:16:56.980 Eyes on me, but she's wide, I ain't trying to have a steady 01:16:56.980 --> 01:16:59.440 Do some friendship with Reginetti, pull out my machete 01:16:59.440 --> 01:17:01.660 Cause it's about time for a scene to cut it up 01:17:01.660 --> 01:17:07.940 Lick and jam, every ounce of bouncing me 01:17:07.940 --> 01:17:11.180 I'm gon' be choosin' using booze and bigger amounts, you'll see 01:17:11.180 --> 01:17:14.320 Lick and jam, every ounce of bouncing me 01:17:14.320 --> 01:17:17.580 I'm gon' be choosin' using booze and bigger amounts, you'll see 01:17:17.580 --> 01:17:20.760 Lick and jam, every ounce of bouncing me 01:17:20.760 --> 01:17:24.020 I'm gon' be choosin' using booze and bigger amounts, you'll see 01:17:24.020 --> 01:17:30.060 It's lots of shots and beer, for fear of being sober up in here 01:17:30.060 --> 01:17:31.720 It's clear, my dear, I wouldn't be in your rear 01:17:31.720 --> 01:17:34.480 If it wasn't for all this liquid cheers to steal your rear right over here 01:17:34.480 --> 01:17:36.460 Let me work you up some tears, when I get you wet 01:17:36.460 --> 01:17:39.020 Remove the Reggie bed, Reggie gonna net, find the smoke set 01:17:39.020 --> 01:17:40.940 You know what you mean when the bottle's empty 01:17:40.940 --> 01:17:42.820 Let's see, oh hell, I got about three 01:17:42.820 --> 01:17:45.160 More before I'm sure, I'm sayin' I'm not poor 01:17:45.160 --> 01:17:46.920 Cause I'm tellin' the leather and depending on the weather 01:17:46.920 --> 01:17:49.540 I'm not too like it a lot, like a bad attitude and a bottle of getting rude 01:17:49.540 --> 01:17:52.420 I made my mark with the makers, hoping to find some new takers 01:17:52.420 --> 01:17:54.200 And the girls who can make herself sweaty 01:17:54.200 --> 01:17:55.720 Are you ready for Reggie? 01:17:56.320 --> 01:17:59.120 Lick and jam, every ounce of bouncing me 01:17:59.120 --> 01:18:02.400 I'm gon' be choosin' using booze and bigger amounts, you'll see 01:18:02.400 --> 01:18:05.560 Lick and jam, every ounce of bouncing me 01:18:05.560 --> 01:18:08.720 I'm gon' be choosin' using booze and bigger amounts, you'll see 01:18:08.720 --> 01:18:11.360 Lick and jam, every ounce of bouncing me 01:18:11.360 --> 01:18:15.200 I'm gon' be choosin' usein' blues in big amounts, you'll see 01:18:15.200 --> 01:18:18.360 Lick a jam, every ounce of bounce in me 01:18:18.360 --> 01:18:21.660 I'm gon' be choosin' usein' blues in big amounts, you'll see 01:18:21.660 --> 01:18:26.060 I'll drink till I think you're cute 01:18:26.060 --> 01:18:27.680 To the point that you stink, can't spread the mood 01:18:27.680 --> 01:18:29.220 And you can't beat, just rub cheek to cheek 01:18:29.220 --> 01:18:31.120 Look, pop my bed for a week, and sneak a peek 01:18:31.120 --> 01:18:32.560 Play high, just a long day, bring me money 01:18:32.560 --> 01:18:34.220 Talkin' so much, which I was definitely timey 01:18:34.220 --> 01:18:35.660 I'll just kick it and lick it and flip it and 01:18:35.660 --> 01:18:36.660 Siggity and girl, don't call me 01:18:36.660 --> 01:18:40.740 Come on, lick a jam, every ounce of bounce in me 01:18:40.740 --> 01:18:43.960 I'm gon' be choosin' usein' blues in big amounts, you'll see 01:18:43.960 --> 01:18:47.180 Lick a jam, every ounce of bounce in me 01:18:47.180 --> 01:18:50.340 I'm gon' be choosin' usein' blues in big amounts, you'll see 01:18:50.340 --> 01:18:53.580 Lick a jam, every ounce of bounce in me 01:18:53.580 --> 01:18:56.740 I'm gon' be choosin' usein' blues in big amounts, you'll see 01:18:56.740 --> 01:18:59.940 Lick a jam, every ounce of bounce in me 01:18:59.940 --> 01:19:03.200 I'm gon' be choosin' usein' blues in big amounts, you'll see 01:19:10.740 --> 01:19:40.720 We'll see you next time.