WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:10.480 This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers, to the hackers and the crackers. 00:10.940 --> 00:16.360 I see in binary, I speak source code, step on my toes, I'll post a million game pegs 00:16.360 --> 00:21.560 of you and a fag poned, in your digital stance getting firewalled ho, cause I'm riding the 00:21.560 --> 00:27.520 net in my six foe, I was a dick with my 56, now with my cable I'm able to get that stable, 00:27.520 --> 00:32.820 on the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo, on the digital highway, my name is Neo and 00:32.820 --> 00:38.320 I'm a hero, in a flash I'll screw you on burning dream caps, you need some ISO, let me through 00:38.320 --> 00:43.740 my hard drive rifle, our exchange you could never stifle, in a digital hug, you just caught 00:43.740 --> 00:50.000 the love bug, I bootlegged your CD, I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z, your CG, it's 00:50.000 --> 00:54.520 all gonna be free, whether we take it by force or we take it nicely, you feel that rattling 00:54.520 --> 00:59.220 your bones, when I tell you we just hacked out Jones, and NASDAQ, leave you flat on your 00:59.220 --> 01:04.560 back, cause I am he who loves to hack and crack, cause I am he who loves to hack and crack. 01:05.000 --> 01:12.240 This is dedicated to the hackers and the crackers, serial phones, source codes, ISOs, RANs, SIPs, 01:12.240 --> 01:15.220 Sips, this is dedicated to the hackers and the crackers. 01:15.920 --> 01:18.360 Welcome to Binary Revolution Radio. 01:18.360 --> 01:27.000 I am your host, Sankt Dogg, right here, episode 73, December 7th, 2004, same place as usual, 01:27.140 --> 01:31.300 same time as usual, Tuesday nights on RantRadio.com. 01:31.660 --> 01:36.920 Now, for episode 73, we're getting into the holiday season, and we've got some projects 01:36.920 --> 01:40.420 that we've been working on lately, and some things coming up, we're gonna be announcing 01:40.420 --> 01:44.660 a few of them over the upcoming weeks, we've got a big Christmas gift coming up for those 01:44.660 --> 01:50.960 listeners, a project that I think you'll be excited about, and my co-host today is actually 01:50.960 --> 01:55.280 involved in another project that we will be announcing soon, that I'm also very excited 01:55.280 --> 02:01.080 about, it is coming out better than I expected, and that co-host tonight is Black Ratchet. 02:01.720 --> 02:02.340 Hello, hello. 02:02.560 --> 02:03.860 Welcome to the show, my friend. 02:04.240 --> 02:05.120 Thank you for having me. 02:05.440 --> 02:10.980 And this is going to be a rant-filled show, what a great one for you to come in and start 02:10.980 --> 02:16.560 on, this is just gonna be a rant-filled episode, only because the emails and the topics I came 02:16.560 --> 02:20.180 up with are just kinda sore spots for me, so... 02:20.180 --> 02:23.460 Well, anyone who's hanging around with me on the forum knows I rant and rave a lot. 02:23.640 --> 02:25.580 Well, then you'll fit in just fine, but... 02:25.580 --> 02:26.780 Yep, so it's a good episode. 02:27.080 --> 02:31.480 Yeah, I'm gonna put up a disclaimer here at the beginning that I'm gonna still try to control 02:31.480 --> 02:38.180 my language like I always do, however, I think you, you and I both know, and the listeners 02:38.180 --> 02:42.880 surely know that I'm gonna fail miserably, so I predict total failure at that, but I'm 02:42.880 --> 02:46.960 giving you a warning, there might be some language issues, but I'm gonna try to restrain 02:46.960 --> 02:48.240 myself for our efforts. 02:48.240 --> 02:52.160 And I would also like to apologize in advance for any type of potty mouth that I usually 02:52.160 --> 02:55.820 say, because I'm from Boston, so we curse up here, no problem. 02:56.660 --> 02:58.720 Ah, wicked good cursing. 02:58.940 --> 02:59.620 Wicked piss-up. 02:59.780 --> 03:00.380 Oh, what kind of... 03:00.380 --> 03:03.620 Wait a minute, what the hell is that, like a Boston-Sean Connery mix there? 03:03.720 --> 03:05.440 I have the worst impressions. 03:05.440 --> 03:09.320 All right, well, anyway, let's jump into some housekeeping here. 03:09.420 --> 03:16.640 My first topic slash rant of the day actually just happened moments ago when I was getting 03:16.640 --> 03:23.060 ready to do the show, and as soon as I fired up ye olde speakerphone, I didn't get a dial 03:23.060 --> 03:23.460 tone. 03:24.420 --> 03:28.280 And for those of you who have been listening to the show lately, you know I finally switched 03:28.280 --> 03:29.820 over to VoIP. 03:30.000 --> 03:34.820 I switched over to Voice Pulse, but there will be no VoIP goodness today. 03:35.440 --> 03:36.820 Had it good for two weeks. 03:36.900 --> 03:40.680 We recorded the show over VoIP for a couple weeks, no problems, but for some reason today, 03:41.120 --> 03:42.260 Voice Pulse isn't working. 03:42.360 --> 03:44.140 Isn't that just wonderful? 03:44.700 --> 03:46.820 This episode brought to you by Voice Pulse. 03:46.960 --> 03:48.200 This, yeah, this, no, this episode... 03:48.200 --> 03:49.480 Proud sponsor of BinRev Radio. 03:49.700 --> 03:52.160 This episode brought to you by POTS. 03:52.420 --> 03:56.260 Plain old telephone service, coming over copper, traditional, as decoder would always, 03:56.560 --> 04:01.020 and decoder would rant and tell me, I told you so, copper, copper, copper, dependable, 04:01.140 --> 04:01.440 copper. 04:01.760 --> 04:03.080 Yeah, fine, whatever, decoder. 04:03.400 --> 04:05.640 Well, just about the fact that I'm coming in over a cell phone. 04:05.960 --> 04:07.680 Yeah, well, and you know what, but he's right. 04:07.900 --> 04:08.280 He's right. 04:08.300 --> 04:09.340 I'll give it to him this time. 04:09.360 --> 04:10.000 They always work. 04:10.080 --> 04:10.780 They always work. 04:10.920 --> 04:11.740 Yeah, unfortunately. 04:12.540 --> 04:16.740 So I'm not real happy with Voice Pulse, so let's see what their excuse is and what that's 04:16.740 --> 04:16.940 about. 04:16.940 --> 04:20.860 I don't like the idea that I just signed up for a year with these people, and here I 04:20.860 --> 04:23.580 am three weeks, four weeks into it, and it's not working. 04:23.740 --> 04:24.760 That's not cool at all. 04:25.180 --> 04:26.040 See, I was smart. 04:26.100 --> 04:26.660 I didn't do that. 04:26.720 --> 04:28.340 I opted to pay the ten extra dollars a month. 04:28.340 --> 04:32.660 Yeah, see, I should have in retrospect now, but hey, what are you going to do? 04:33.960 --> 04:37.960 All right, anyway, another piece of housekeeping to get out of the way up front, which we've 04:37.960 --> 04:39.800 got a couple, a lot of, quite a few little things here. 04:40.880 --> 04:45.640 Episode 72, last week's episode, had a couple glitches. 04:45.680 --> 04:48.160 Had some skips and stutters there at the end of the show. 04:48.160 --> 04:53.520 I did not know about it when I uploaded it, but frankly, as it turns out, there was nothing 04:53.520 --> 04:55.020 I could do about it anyway. 04:55.260 --> 04:57.680 The master copy was foobar. 04:57.960 --> 05:00.540 It was completely unrecoverable. 05:00.620 --> 05:01.940 There was nothing I could do about it. 05:02.020 --> 05:05.940 It can't be fixed, so I have to apologize for that. 05:06.140 --> 05:12.240 I actually really am disappointed because that's the first show that, frankly, had any 05:12.240 --> 05:14.660 kind of real mistakes or anything in it that I couldn't fix. 05:14.660 --> 05:20.180 You know, I've left off music here and there or something happened that I had to cut out, 05:20.320 --> 05:24.180 but other than that, you know, for the most part, I've been able to fix everything, and 05:24.180 --> 05:24.880 this one I can't. 05:24.920 --> 05:29.240 So now there's a crappy-sounding episode floating around out there, and I'm, frankly, 05:29.300 --> 05:30.300 a little bit ashamed of that. 05:31.540 --> 05:32.940 I thought it was kind of cool. 05:33.020 --> 05:36.100 You kind of had, like, a freestyle rap going on in there when I played it on my iPod. 05:36.260 --> 05:40.660 Yeah, well, maybe I can tell them it was intentional, that it was my Max Headroom impression. 05:41.140 --> 05:41.680 Yeah, indeed. 05:41.960 --> 05:43.480 Yeah, I remember that one. 05:44.660 --> 05:49.320 And here, and this brings us into rant number two of the evening. 05:50.000 --> 05:54.000 The reason that this happened is just ridiculous to me. 05:54.960 --> 05:59.440 Apparently, after looking into it after the fact, I kind of knew that I had a hard drive 05:59.440 --> 06:04.060 failing anyway, but the hard drive that was failing was the third drive in this system. 06:04.720 --> 06:06.360 It was a data drive. 06:06.460 --> 06:06.920 That's it. 06:07.600 --> 06:09.160 Just a drive. 06:09.260 --> 06:10.800 It didn't have system files on it. 06:10.800 --> 06:11.740 I didn't have it. 06:11.820 --> 06:12.780 It wasn't my data. 06:12.860 --> 06:14.220 It wasn't my swap drive. 06:14.700 --> 06:16.060 It wasn't the system main drive. 06:16.140 --> 06:17.780 Like I said, it was just a data drive. 06:17.920 --> 06:23.580 It didn't have anything on it other than, like, backup files and some other MP3s or something 06:23.580 --> 06:24.680 like that that I had on it. 06:24.900 --> 06:28.420 It didn't even have any relevance to the system stability anyway. 06:28.420 --> 06:32.400 But, apparently, Windows thinks that it is. 06:33.480 --> 06:41.020 Windows, this piece of junk, apparently decided that because it couldn't communicate with this 06:41.020 --> 06:45.340 third drive, which was irrelevant of what I was saving, like I said, it shouldn't have 06:45.340 --> 06:51.320 had any reason to even look at that drive, decided to just make my system unstable, and 06:51.320 --> 06:52.460 that's what caused those stutters. 06:52.560 --> 06:53.320 I'm certain of it. 06:53.900 --> 06:55.640 This episode also brought to you by Microsoft. 06:55.900 --> 06:56.140 Yeah. 06:56.560 --> 07:00.300 It's a good thing we're not on, like, a real radio station, because we wouldn't have any 07:00.300 --> 07:00.760 sponsors. 07:01.780 --> 07:03.760 They'd hate me as much as the listeners do. 07:05.480 --> 07:07.380 That's the great thing about internet radio, man. 07:07.460 --> 07:10.000 You can rant and rave and complain about anything. 07:10.000 --> 07:14.460 You don't have to worry about ticking off sponsors, don't have to worry about ticking 07:14.460 --> 07:16.880 off your user base, because, you know, they're from the internet. 07:17.080 --> 07:19.000 They're used to complaining and whining. 07:19.180 --> 07:21.260 Yeah, and I've said, you know, I've said that all along. 07:21.900 --> 07:24.900 As the pin rev radio's rearship drops 50% because of me. 07:25.060 --> 07:25.580 I know. 07:25.920 --> 07:32.100 I've said for the years that I've been doing this that this is the last form of free speech 07:32.100 --> 07:33.680 that we have left to communicate. 07:33.920 --> 07:34.820 You know, it really is. 07:35.440 --> 07:39.900 And, actually, I'm going to talk about later some information from my meeting this past 07:39.900 --> 07:44.980 week, my 2600 meeting, that that may be in the process of being taken away from us as 07:44.980 --> 07:46.380 well, but I'll get to that later. 07:47.220 --> 07:48.360 But, yeah, back to Windows. 07:49.080 --> 07:53.400 Apparently, a drive that has nothing to do with the system or the stability or the software 07:53.400 --> 07:57.480 that's running or any of that stuff will cause Windows to become unstable. 07:57.620 --> 08:03.620 Later on that night, luckily I was able to extract it and upload it so that the show went 08:03.620 --> 08:03.880 out. 08:04.320 --> 08:06.500 But, overnight, the system crashed. 08:06.920 --> 08:10.520 Like, hardcore blue screen of death crashed. 08:10.620 --> 08:13.140 I came in to look at the computer and it was blue screen of death. 08:13.260 --> 08:14.060 It really was. 08:14.360 --> 08:15.400 How can you tell it was a problem? 08:16.180 --> 08:21.000 Well, yeah, it's kind of, you know, it had more functionality with the blue screen of death 08:21.000 --> 08:21.180 on it. 08:21.260 --> 08:21.720 Actually, no. 08:22.260 --> 08:26.420 I had to reboot in safe mode and try to, I mean, I lost most of the data on the data 08:26.420 --> 08:26.860 drive. 08:27.100 --> 08:29.340 I mean, it wasn't too awful serious. 08:29.460 --> 08:30.960 It was, you know, junk stuff. 08:31.140 --> 08:36.160 But, I lost my backup, so I had to move them over to another backup drive now, which it's 08:36.160 --> 08:37.780 just the hassle of it that's frustrating. 08:38.200 --> 08:40.860 But, it just seems totally ridiculous that it drives. 08:40.860 --> 08:45.160 I unhooked the drive in question after looking through the log files and seeing that it was 08:45.160 --> 08:45.420 dead. 08:45.840 --> 08:47.840 And, now the system runs perfectly fine again. 08:48.260 --> 08:52.800 Well, in defense of Microsoft, there are certain things on the wonderful, you know, IDE spec 08:52.800 --> 08:57.120 where if, you know, masters and slaves, if one of them gets screwed up, the other one 08:57.120 --> 08:58.140 gets taken down with it. 08:58.720 --> 09:04.240 And, if you come along the lines of one of your drives is working up, technically, while 09:04.240 --> 09:08.000 that drive was important, the drive obviously on the other, unless it was on a completely 09:08.000 --> 09:12.620 separate channel, if it was a slave, the master, I have seen it, and this has happened 09:12.620 --> 09:16.340 on Linux, just the system going completely bonkers. 09:16.740 --> 09:18.460 While on Linux, I don't think it's that much of a thing. 09:18.560 --> 09:20.660 I mean, you can run with it fine. 09:22.040 --> 09:26.740 With Windows, obviously, Windows is a lot more, you know, pendantic of what it wants 09:26.740 --> 09:29.860 to pick and do and choose and not crash on. 09:30.440 --> 09:36.080 I've seen problems where, like, you know, stability has absolutely slowed to a halt on 09:36.080 --> 09:36.940 a Linux box. 09:36.940 --> 09:41.500 Yeah, I actually, while you were talking, I just leaned over and looked in my box and 09:41.500 --> 09:47.780 it is, in fact, on, it is one of two drives on that channel, so that could very well be 09:47.780 --> 09:48.260 the case. 09:48.540 --> 09:50.800 Yeah, it's an IDE thing, I believe. 09:51.380 --> 09:53.920 Well, still, it sucks either way. 09:54.340 --> 09:55.140 Yes, of course it does. 09:56.000 --> 09:57.280 Anyway, so I threw another... 09:57.280 --> 10:00.100 How to part with the love, how to part with love, the last data. 10:00.440 --> 10:04.380 Yeah, you know, I dug on it, and it's like, it's one of those situations where it's almost 10:04.380 --> 10:09.480 dying, and so many people have been through this, it's like, you know what, it's kind 10:09.480 --> 10:13.860 of there, the system can see it a little bit, but when you try to drag and read and write 10:13.860 --> 10:15.980 from it, you get error messages, because it can't. 10:16.640 --> 10:20.480 It can see the file allocation table and know where the file should be, but they can't actually 10:20.480 --> 10:26.100 allocate the files in question, and it's frustrating because you're trying to back the stuff up at 10:26.100 --> 10:30.680 the last minute, but frankly, it's too late, and you know, then everybody wants to try 10:30.680 --> 10:35.280 the stick-it-in-the-freezer trick, or try to blow the canned air into it, and try the... 10:35.280 --> 10:37.100 No, it's too late. 10:37.200 --> 10:37.520 It's gone. 10:37.780 --> 10:39.460 Don't, Deb, don't knock the freezer trick. 10:39.620 --> 10:41.160 I've been able to pull some miracles off of that. 10:41.160 --> 10:44.240 All right, no, wait, no, no, no, no, no, no, I don't buy this for a second. 10:45.260 --> 10:45.980 I'm buying... 10:45.980 --> 10:46.340 I don't... 10:46.340 --> 10:52.560 You're telling me, as a matter of fact, that you have done this, and it has absolutely 10:52.560 --> 10:53.500 worked for you. 10:53.840 --> 10:55.720 It hasn't worked 100%, but it's worked. 10:56.660 --> 10:57.820 See, then it could have been. 10:57.820 --> 11:03.140 You know what happened, the drive was completely messed up, I did my usual, like, you know, 11:03.340 --> 11:07.300 wave a dead chicken on it, and, like, you know, sacrifice certain things to certain gods, 11:07.420 --> 11:13.380 and we'll just leave it at that, and it didn't work, and I, you know, I thought it was stupid, 11:13.500 --> 11:17.760 I put it in the freezer, I've tried it numerous times before, and it did not work, but that 11:17.760 --> 11:18.300 time it did. 11:18.540 --> 11:19.160 I got... 11:19.160 --> 11:19.500 I... 11:19.500 --> 11:20.980 It was a... 11:20.980 --> 11:25.140 She had, like, four gigs of data on it, and I was able to salvage most of her data files, 11:25.140 --> 11:27.760 and I think it was, like, two gigs worth of data off of it. 11:27.880 --> 11:30.600 All right, well, I've tried it several times, and it's never worked for me. 11:30.700 --> 11:35.580 I am going to try it again, and it's not going to work again, but I'm going to try it, 11:35.600 --> 11:37.460 since you seem to think that it worked for you. 11:37.540 --> 11:38.420 I say it's coincidence. 11:38.560 --> 11:39.640 No, I'm not saying it always works. 11:39.680 --> 11:40.880 I'm saying it worked for me once. 11:41.420 --> 11:43.440 I just say that's part of the repertoire. 11:43.720 --> 11:45.380 I think it was coincidence, myself. 11:45.800 --> 11:46.680 Quite possibly. 11:46.680 --> 11:50.520 But still, it's cool, because, like, you know, if it ever works, you'd make you look 11:50.520 --> 11:51.540 like a self-miracle worker. 11:52.080 --> 11:53.680 Well, I guess, but... 11:54.200 --> 11:55.040 Don't... 11:55.040 --> 11:56.240 Well, let's see. 11:56.360 --> 12:01.120 I'll inform our listeners of what happens on this saga of recovering Stank's data, 12:01.240 --> 12:02.880 all my mystery science theater movies. 12:03.380 --> 12:04.320 I can replace them. 12:04.560 --> 12:06.720 Oh, oh, oh, oh, that just hurt me. 12:06.720 --> 12:09.960 Yeah, and I can re-download them, but you know what? 12:10.100 --> 12:14.460 You know, there was probably 50 or more, and they're all 600 or 700 megs, and it's just 12:14.460 --> 12:15.040 a hassle. 12:15.040 --> 12:17.620 So, and I have them all on DVD. 12:17.760 --> 12:18.940 Most of them on DVD anyway. 12:19.080 --> 12:22.200 Some of them aren't available on DVD yet, but anyway, that's neither here nor there. 12:22.220 --> 12:24.700 Let's move back on to some housekeeping here. 12:25.780 --> 12:30.680 Next up on the items list is to announce, and this is actually a very cool thing. 12:30.720 --> 12:32.520 We'll go from sad news to happy news. 12:33.360 --> 12:41.240 Nick84, amazing how much this guy, this young man does so much for us and for the show and 12:41.240 --> 12:43.440 for DDP, I mean, and everybody. 12:45.040 --> 12:49.900 He has put up our podcast, which some listeners had requested in the past. 12:50.340 --> 12:51.300 We now have a podcast. 12:51.480 --> 12:55.160 Yeah, we have now, for the iPoders out there, for the iPod users, I'm not one of you, but 12:55.160 --> 12:57.080 I'll, I do think it's a cool thing. 12:57.080 --> 13:00.200 So, we do have a podcast up now. 13:00.600 --> 13:04.940 It's at binrev.com slash radio slash podcast. 13:05.500 --> 13:06.820 That's so easy to remember. 13:08.580 --> 13:13.140 So, you can go check that out, and if you're into that sort of thing. 13:13.620 --> 13:19.700 And I guess I need to start looking into ways to get this out to some of the podcast directories 13:19.700 --> 13:22.240 and stuff like that, I guess, is that the next step? 13:22.980 --> 13:24.760 So, if anybody, anybody knows. 13:24.760 --> 13:25.960 I mean, it's unnecessary. 13:26.220 --> 13:28.460 It's just basically, like, sort of advertising. 13:28.940 --> 13:29.240 Yeah. 13:29.280 --> 13:32.020 So, if anybody wants to put it out there somewhere for me, that would help. 13:32.120 --> 13:34.120 I'll figure some of them out myself, I guess. 13:34.120 --> 13:36.660 But, that's good news. 13:36.800 --> 13:40.320 Also, more DDP news here. 13:40.460 --> 13:45.820 We've got, well, we've got both DJ Mosk and Sub-Zero from Geek Love Radio. 13:46.260 --> 13:47.960 These guys are blowing up big time. 13:48.040 --> 13:54.560 They're hitting the big time, heading to the screensavers on Tech TV to take Geek Love Radio 13:54.560 --> 14:03.320 to the masses on Valentine's Day 2005, February 14, 2005, Geek Love Radio on Tech TV's, the screensavers. 14:04.120 --> 14:04.540 So, that's been cool. 14:04.540 --> 14:05.680 So, the question begs to be asked. 14:06.160 --> 14:06.720 And that is? 14:06.720 --> 14:08.160 When's BinRev Radio showing up? 14:08.840 --> 14:09.280 Yeah. 14:09.740 --> 14:15.720 Well, without coming out and straight out accusing anybody of anything, we've been there in content. 14:16.360 --> 14:17.340 I'll leave it at that. 14:18.880 --> 14:23.500 We may not be there, and our main name may not be there, but some of our content ends up there, 14:23.500 --> 14:24.960 but we won't, you know, whatever. 14:26.080 --> 14:29.100 So, represent, DJ Mosk, Sub-Zero, congratulations. 14:29.280 --> 14:32.120 That's very cool, and we'll try to remind the listeners when it gets closer. 14:32.120 --> 14:33.320 That's still a couple months away. 14:33.800 --> 14:35.440 Try to remind the listeners when that gets closer. 14:35.620 --> 14:41.320 And I'm going to have to, I guess I can't come out and say this, but I'm going to say it anyway. 14:41.460 --> 14:45.560 I'm going to have to watch this on an AVI or something, a rip, because I don't get Tech TV. 14:46.020 --> 14:47.120 I don't get the screensavers. 14:47.220 --> 14:49.160 So, I'm going to have to watch this some other way. 14:49.220 --> 14:51.120 I'll go watch it at a friend's house. 14:51.200 --> 14:52.540 Yeah, that's what I'll do. 14:52.540 --> 14:54.900 I will mail you a VHS. 14:55.800 --> 14:57.000 Are we allowed to do that, too? 14:57.680 --> 14:58.780 Is that not illegal now? 15:00.220 --> 15:02.360 Yeah, I don't know what they've banned and what they haven't banned. 15:02.440 --> 15:03.300 But anyway, I'll get it. 15:03.300 --> 15:05.300 That's actually, honestly, that's a very good question. 15:05.440 --> 15:06.280 I do not know. 15:06.380 --> 15:07.020 I don't know either. 15:07.800 --> 15:10.900 We wouldn't want to condone anything illegal, but I'm going to watch this show one way or the other. 15:10.900 --> 15:18.340 And we're going to go into some other borderline topics here in a few minutes anyway, so forget about it. 15:20.020 --> 15:30.600 And one other quick little bit of housekeeping before we go to the email is I finally, I don't know if anybody else out there has already gotten this, and I was just at the bottom of the list. 15:31.020 --> 15:35.760 But finally, Hotmail finally upgraded my storage space to 250 megs. 15:35.760 --> 15:43.520 They said they were going to do this a long, a long time ago, back when Gmail was first going out to beta tests and announced that gigabyte of storage. 15:44.240 --> 15:46.200 Yahoo went up to 100, like, immediately. 15:46.700 --> 15:48.620 They didn't waste any time giving you more space. 15:48.720 --> 15:55.960 And Hotmail announced that they were going to go to 250, but they never did until I got it, I think, sometime this past week. 15:56.940 --> 15:59.780 But I don't really use that account much anymore anyway. 15:59.780 --> 16:06.260 I send stuff from it only because, like, I usually have a browser window open, and it's quick for me to go there and attach a file and send it. 16:06.660 --> 16:09.680 But I don't really communicate with it much, and I don't check it very much. 16:09.700 --> 16:15.660 So if you're emailing me to Hotmail account, I'm not always going to get back to you as quickly as I would like. 16:16.440 --> 16:24.180 So if you ever want to contact me, send everything to the stankdog.com address, stankdog to stankdog.com, as far as personal email, stuff like that. 16:24.260 --> 16:28.420 Now, anything about the show, you still need to send that to radio at binref.com. 16:28.420 --> 16:34.940 And, kids, I would just like to point out that if you run your own mail server, you can be like me and have 20 gigs of storage space on your mail. 16:35.080 --> 16:39.380 And that's exactly why I'm using the stankdog.com account, no limits. 16:40.080 --> 16:44.700 Although I did put a little bit of a limit on there just because I'm forgetful and I want to make myself clean it up once in a while. 16:45.980 --> 16:48.940 One of my friends constantly goes over his limit, drives me up a wall. 16:49.060 --> 16:49.380 Yeah. 16:49.580 --> 16:51.700 He wonders why the server starts bouncing his mail. 16:52.760 --> 16:54.560 Oh, because you have a 500 meg inbox. 16:54.760 --> 16:55.120 Exactly. 16:55.120 --> 16:58.120 Oh, and I kept... 16:58.420 --> 17:03.000 I kept that attachment size, too, because, well, people try things with me for some reason. 17:04.200 --> 17:04.560 Anyway. 17:04.920 --> 17:05.000 No. 17:05.500 --> 17:06.220 Yeah, I don't know. 17:07.060 --> 17:10.080 All right, so let's go into the email, but let's give... 17:10.080 --> 17:12.420 Let's start with our email theme song before we do. 17:12.420 --> 17:36.580 Our first email today comes from Stack Smasher. 17:36.920 --> 17:37.680 That's a cool name, too. 17:37.700 --> 17:38.140 I like that. 17:38.320 --> 17:38.540 Hold on. 17:38.540 --> 17:39.540 I'm going to do that with the sound of... 17:39.540 --> 17:39.700 Hold on. 17:39.760 --> 17:42.020 I'm going to sound all dramatic, like a comic book. 17:42.060 --> 17:42.200 Ready? 17:42.780 --> 17:45.740 Our first email comes from Stack Smasher. 17:46.440 --> 17:48.580 Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. 17:49.540 --> 17:50.460 That was pretty cool. 17:51.080 --> 17:52.020 He's going to record that. 17:52.040 --> 17:54.580 He should use that as his startup sound now in Windows or whatever. 17:55.720 --> 17:56.120 Hopefully he doesn't. 17:56.120 --> 17:57.500 That sound effect is provided by Black Ratchet Industry. 17:57.500 --> 17:57.760 What do you think? 17:58.840 --> 18:00.460 Copyrights and trademark by DDP. 18:01.040 --> 18:01.200 Yeah. 18:01.840 --> 18:02.560 Creative Copyright. 18:02.640 --> 18:04.020 Creative Commons or whatever it's called. 18:04.260 --> 18:04.580 Yeah. 18:04.800 --> 18:06.240 They have that audio license now. 18:06.280 --> 18:07.920 We're going to talk about that on an upcoming show, too. 18:08.500 --> 18:12.060 Anyway, Stack Smasher, dun, dun, dun, dun, says... 18:12.060 --> 18:14.020 Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. 18:14.320 --> 18:21.960 Have you given any thought to what you would require as far as, well, what if you were given your own show on Sirius? 18:22.320 --> 18:23.160 Just a thought. 18:23.260 --> 18:24.320 Are you ready for this? 18:25.560 --> 18:27.320 Actually, I have thought about this. 18:27.320 --> 18:39.560 I have even gone so far as to contact people at both XM Radio and Sirius Radio, contacting them as far as they're publicly publicized. 18:39.640 --> 18:40.520 Is that a redundancy? 18:41.240 --> 18:43.080 They're publicized email addresses. 18:43.220 --> 18:45.320 They're publicized ways of getting in touch with them. 18:45.320 --> 18:56.300 I've tried to contact them about adding the show to their respective talk channels for each particular provider, but I just get the impression they're total black holes. 18:56.420 --> 18:57.340 I never get a reply. 18:57.520 --> 18:58.640 I don't get a bounce message. 18:59.200 --> 19:01.960 Since they are publicly accessible, they're posted on the website. 19:01.960 --> 19:11.080 I imagine they probably get a bunch of junk mail, spam, or just, I don't know, for lack of a better word, fans or people with a bunch of questions. 19:11.240 --> 19:12.880 So they probably don't even check those. 19:13.180 --> 19:14.280 People asking for shows. 19:14.280 --> 19:15.700 Yeah, exactly. 19:16.360 --> 19:18.260 Or they just, and that's the other thing, maybe they just don't. 19:18.280 --> 19:19.660 Present company excluded of that. 19:19.860 --> 19:24.280 Yeah, what I was going to say, that may exactly be true, because the other reason is maybe they just don't care. 19:24.540 --> 19:27.680 They're like, yeah, you suck, thanks, bye-bye. 19:28.280 --> 19:30.160 So that may very well be it also. 19:30.680 --> 19:35.920 So the only way I know other than, you know, the only other way to get into these things is the friends and family network. 19:36.080 --> 19:40.540 You know, if somebody's got a hookup, somebody's got somebody on the inside, help a brother out. 19:40.600 --> 19:41.320 That's all I'm saying. 19:41.920 --> 19:43.960 Well, Stank, or you can just sleep your way to the top. 19:44.280 --> 19:52.020 Yeah, you know, I would frankly sleep my way to the bottom or to the side or to, I'm easy, you know. 19:52.340 --> 19:53.920 It doesn't even have to be anything in it for me. 19:55.060 --> 19:56.780 But yeah, sure, I'll do that too, whatever. 19:56.780 --> 20:02.720 I'm suddenly picturing you in a miniskirt and makeup, and it's not a pixie-bitch skirt. 20:02.920 --> 20:06.500 Oh, you just, now, now, you really just pissed off the listeners. 20:07.380 --> 20:09.100 Now, now you're going to pay for that one. 20:09.160 --> 20:10.660 They're not, oh man, they're all vomiting. 20:11.460 --> 20:14.000 Complaints to blackratchet at blackratchet.org. 20:14.060 --> 20:15.420 They're all vomiting right now. 20:15.420 --> 20:23.900 Yeah, I mean, it's cool that, you know, Sirius Radio is bringing Howard Stern on board and all that kind of stuff, 20:24.020 --> 20:29.660 and Mr. Controversial Radio and hate the FCC and blah, blah, blah, which I agree with him. 20:29.740 --> 20:30.820 I like Sirius Radio. 20:30.940 --> 20:32.780 I do think it's the wave of the future, yada, yada. 20:32.780 --> 20:36.740 And they've got a lot of balls to put Howard Stern on there and to take these chances, 20:37.020 --> 20:42.080 and some of the other radio hosts that have been controversial and got kicked off and fined by the FCC. 20:42.960 --> 20:48.540 But they've got a little bit of balls, but they don't have big enough balls to put on a hacking show. 20:48.600 --> 20:50.080 I still don't think they have big enough balls. 20:50.420 --> 20:59.500 You need balls the size of church bells to put me on any kind of wide-range, wide-encompassing show. 20:59.500 --> 21:06.740 And I don't think the world, I don't think the United States, I don't think even on the satellite radio, 21:06.860 --> 21:09.840 I don't even think they're ready for a hacking show. 21:09.880 --> 21:14.160 I think they're all still afraid of hacking and hackers and what the perception is. 21:14.240 --> 21:16.840 I don't think they have the balls to do it. 21:17.240 --> 21:19.280 Well, I'm not too sure about that. 21:19.340 --> 21:23.400 I'm not too sure about them putting it on, but if anyone listens to Off the Hook, 21:23.400 --> 21:31.160 I believe it was two weeks ago, three weeks ago, that they allowed WBAI in New York, 21:31.240 --> 21:34.400 the people who put on Off the Hook, and a manual company too, 21:34.660 --> 21:39.720 because there was a blackout or a fire or something, that caused WBAI to go off the air. 21:39.800 --> 21:44.480 And what they did is they provided their studios to them to put on all their shows. 21:44.620 --> 21:49.140 And if they can put on what a lot of WBAI puts on, they have pretty good balls. 21:49.140 --> 21:53.660 They put on the WBAI show lineup on what? 21:54.100 --> 21:58.720 They allowed WBAI to use their studios to put on stuff on their own transmitter. 21:59.080 --> 22:02.160 Yes, it's not a big enough thing as putting it on a satellite, 22:02.480 --> 22:05.280 but I think it's at least a step in the right direction. 22:05.640 --> 22:05.800 Right. 22:06.220 --> 22:09.880 And without, let's see, I've got to be careful not to step on toes here, 22:10.040 --> 22:12.380 but Off the Hook, well, you know what? 22:12.520 --> 22:12.880 Screw it. 22:12.900 --> 22:13.940 I'm just going to come out and say it. 22:14.320 --> 22:15.920 Off the Hook's not a hacking show anymore. 22:16.840 --> 22:17.120 Okay? 22:17.440 --> 22:18.980 Off the Hook's a political show. 22:18.980 --> 22:22.040 I mean, with a little bit of technology and hacking content occasionally. 22:23.120 --> 22:24.300 So it's not really, yeah. 22:24.560 --> 22:26.380 So it's not really the same to me. 22:26.620 --> 22:27.500 That's only my opinion. 22:27.600 --> 22:28.740 I can only speak for myself. 22:28.860 --> 22:31.280 The views expressed by Stank Dog are his and his alone 22:31.280 --> 22:35.680 and do not necessarily reflect those of Rant Radio, Black Ratchet, or anyone else in the DDP. 22:36.340 --> 22:38.900 Well, technically it does reflect Black Ratchet, but we won't come out. 22:38.920 --> 22:39.300 Oh, okay. 22:39.560 --> 22:40.540 Okay, there we go. 22:40.980 --> 22:45.380 I look at Off the Hook as a technology politics show. 22:45.380 --> 22:53.220 I mean, 2,600, yeah, I mean, the entire thing has really started to change into a political movement. 22:53.220 --> 22:57.540 But as, like, Emanuel said, we turned into a political, I wouldn't say political movement, 22:57.620 --> 23:01.040 a political type attempt to be a player. 23:01.040 --> 23:07.040 And Emanuel said it best was, we became a political player when political players started messing with technology. 23:07.400 --> 23:08.600 And he has a point to it, I think. 23:09.000 --> 23:09.560 Yeah, and I... 23:09.560 --> 23:10.160 He has a point to it, I think. 23:10.240 --> 23:16.200 But, like, you know, when they start doing on, like, you know, lots of stuff, you know, all about politics and, you know, 23:16.200 --> 23:22.280 basically this whole wonderful thing of, oh, look at that, Emanuel got arrested at the RNC convention. 23:22.640 --> 23:27.860 Yes, you know, okay, fine, you want to have stuff about that, but that's not what I'm tuning in for. 23:28.160 --> 23:28.380 Right. 23:28.380 --> 23:32.720 I mean, I do like a lot of their stuff on political stuff, and when it relates to technology. 23:33.400 --> 23:39.700 But the whole, like, you know, ooh, I got arrested, I got arrested, I just look at it as, okay, yeah, and? 23:40.220 --> 23:40.580 Right. 23:40.580 --> 23:40.660 Right. 23:42.620 --> 23:46.480 Shouts to Emanuel, I like him, I like the show, I always listen to it, I'm going to, you know, 23:46.540 --> 23:50.260 it's downloaded every Wednesday night, popped onto my iPod and listened to it Thursday morning. 23:50.460 --> 23:58.600 Sure, and I don't, and the same thing, I really, I just, I write for, you know, I write for 2600, I'm cool with it. 23:58.820 --> 24:04.060 I went to the Fifth Hope, and you've heard us talk about the political undertones of that thing, you know? 24:04.420 --> 24:06.480 It's just, it's just what they are. 24:06.540 --> 24:09.440 I'm not saying right or wrong, good or bad, it's just what they are. 24:10.000 --> 24:18.680 Just like as much as Zachary Blackstone doesn't like me saying it, Blacklisted 411 Magazine is just not the official hacker's magazine. 24:18.780 --> 24:22.740 As much as he wants to say it, he can write that in his magazines, and I'm sorry, I like the guy. 24:23.020 --> 24:25.880 He's been really helpful to me in some things, giving me some really good advice. 24:26.000 --> 24:31.860 So, I like that magazine, I write for them too, I'm cool with it, I'm just saying, let's call it what it is. 24:31.900 --> 24:37.680 It's a magazine that has some technical content, but it's more about electronics, some conspiracy theory stuff. 24:37.680 --> 24:45.600 This last issue had a lot more hacking content than usual, and that's great, I hope they keep doing that, but I'm just calling it what it is. 24:45.660 --> 24:52.420 So, I'm not putting them down, I'm not disrespecting either one of them, but 2600 is heavy on the politics, that's just a fact, you know? 24:52.440 --> 24:53.500 I subscribe to them both. 24:53.500 --> 24:59.400 Yeah, absolutely, I subscribe to them, I still support them, I write for them, I don't know what else I could possibly do more to support them. 25:00.840 --> 25:06.780 So, yeah, it's not meant as a disrespect, just as a description, a definition, and I think we're beating a dead horse. 25:06.880 --> 25:11.520 I think people know, I think a lot of people know that, they know how things are. 25:11.520 --> 25:21.720 I mean, I look at it as, I don't like, I mean, I don't think they're both perfect, but as I subscribe to them, because at least they're doing it. 25:22.200 --> 25:28.780 I feel that more people should be doing it, I should be more independent designs out there, but, um, theme designs, whatever. 25:29.760 --> 25:32.340 But, like, I'm glad that they're doing it. 25:33.000 --> 25:35.900 Right, and you know what, and that's why I support them. 25:36.520 --> 25:36.920 Indeed. 25:36.920 --> 25:37.040 Indeed. 25:37.380 --> 25:37.740 Exactly. 25:38.200 --> 25:40.820 All right, so let's, um, anyway, go on, well, so the, so the... 25:40.820 --> 25:48.500 Well, hold on, let me just state for the record that if, you know, if XM or Sirius does put Bin Rave Radio on there, they will have at least one subscriber because of it. 25:49.200 --> 25:50.060 Yeah, well, two. 25:51.280 --> 25:52.300 Yeah, I'll do it. 25:52.300 --> 25:53.720 I hope that you would. 25:53.960 --> 25:54.460 Yeah, I... 25:54.460 --> 25:56.240 I hope you, I hope you get it for free. 25:56.760 --> 25:58.040 Well, you would think so, right? 25:58.760 --> 26:02.680 I, I bet you Howard doesn't have to pay to listen to Sirius Radio. 26:03.580 --> 26:04.800 I mean, come on now. 26:04.800 --> 26:14.140 Um, yeah, I, but I still, I, I honestly do think that I'm, I'm too, it's not so much controversial, I think it's fear. 26:14.280 --> 26:19.940 That's the only other thing I can describe it, and no, no one's turned me down and said, we're not putting on Kazak. 26:20.000 --> 26:22.620 No, they just don't answer me at all because, frankly, who am I? 26:22.660 --> 26:23.060 I'm a gnat. 26:23.140 --> 26:24.040 They don't know, you know. 26:24.680 --> 26:29.580 I don't think there's any way I could ever convince them again unless somebody has some favors, can pull some strings. 26:29.640 --> 26:32.000 That's the only way, I think, to get into it, so. 26:32.000 --> 26:33.720 Or you put on a miniskirt and wear some makeup. 26:33.720 --> 26:36.260 Oh, yeah, it worked for Timon. 26:36.640 --> 26:37.560 Or wait a minute, was it Pumbaa? 26:38.320 --> 26:38.840 Oh, whatever. 26:39.200 --> 26:41.140 That joke was probably lost on everyone anyway. 26:41.680 --> 26:44.080 I think I might have got it, but I'm not going to admit to it. 26:45.660 --> 26:46.600 That's a great movie. 26:47.340 --> 26:50.740 Anyway, our next, uh, next email is from Pinion Blue. 26:51.740 --> 26:54.480 And this is a follow-up of a question I asked last week. 26:54.540 --> 26:56.000 I bought a new Nintendo DS. 26:56.000 --> 27:01.080 So, Pinion Blue says, the Nintendo DS, as you know, has built-in Wi-Fi. 27:01.220 --> 27:06.680 However, it emits its own Wi-Fi field instead of working with the Wi-Fi in the area. 27:07.520 --> 27:13.500 Theoretically, if you had more than one DS in the area, each would emit its own field until it finds another DS to communicate with. 27:13.500 --> 27:22.780 Now, when a DS finds more DSs to communicate with, the field destabilizes in order to strengthen the connection between the available DSs in the area. 27:22.780 --> 27:28.840 The conspiracy theories that have been out about released web pictures involving marionettes and such. 27:28.940 --> 27:30.800 And this is the part where I'm still confused. 27:31.760 --> 27:40.280 Um, he says, apparently the Warp Pipe team, an independent group of people that use the GameCube to tunnel system-link games like Mario Kart over the internet, 27:41.020 --> 27:44.280 is working on a new subsidiary company called D-Mast. 27:44.280 --> 27:56.760 D-Mast, which is rumored at current writing, he says, will use the DS Wi-Fi capability to create a wireless peer-to-peer network to play games multiplayer, trade files, etc., etc. 27:57.020 --> 27:58.260 So, there is your conspiracy. 27:58.720 --> 28:05.600 The full details won't be released until 05, but here is the site, which has an RSS feed and a newsletter sign-up, which I knew about the site. 28:05.600 --> 28:14.020 It's D-Mast.com, D-E-M-A-S-K-E-D, in case I don't enunciate, D-Mast.com. 28:15.280 --> 28:27.380 So, um, a wireless peer-to-peer network using built-in Wi-Fi to form this kind of grid or canopy, which a lot of people have dreamed about doing with Wi-Fi anyway. 28:27.760 --> 28:29.160 Yeah, kind of a mesh canopy. 28:31.020 --> 28:32.620 My network teacher would be proud. 28:32.760 --> 28:37.100 I don't know why, why wouldn't they connect to the internet, first of all? 28:37.120 --> 28:37.760 This seems strange. 28:37.860 --> 28:42.260 I mean, if it's got, it supports 802.11, if I understand correctly, 802.11 BNG. 28:42.260 --> 28:52.040 So, if it's got support for true 802.11, you'd think if they were only going to do a mesh networking system, they would use some proprietary thing. 28:52.120 --> 28:56.740 But it's actual 802.11 BNG, so I suspect that the internet would be involved. 28:56.860 --> 28:58.420 There would probably be a reason they're doing that. 28:58.960 --> 28:59.260 Why only... 28:59.260 --> 29:01.420 Because they can charge you extra for it. 29:01.980 --> 29:04.900 Well, yeah, and that's, boy, that's coming up. 29:05.000 --> 29:05.720 Funny you mention that. 29:05.780 --> 29:07.160 That's coming up in a rant soon, too. 29:07.160 --> 29:11.620 So, but see, one of the pictures, here's the thing that really confused me. 29:11.680 --> 29:18.520 One of the pictures from this campaign or conspiracy thing that he's talking about, it shows a picture of this kid, 29:18.560 --> 29:24.860 and he's standing out like in backwoods Arkansas or Kentucky or something, and he's playing his Nintendo DS. 29:26.080 --> 29:28.460 But he's playing it online. 29:28.580 --> 29:31.520 Well, I mean, I guess it's insinuating that he's playing it with other people. 29:31.520 --> 29:35.620 Yet, here he is out in the boondocks, out in BFE, and yeah, I've lived there. 29:37.540 --> 29:39.740 He's playing with other people. 29:39.880 --> 29:43.760 Now, if it's not through his own 802.11 Wi-Fi connection to the internet, 29:44.700 --> 29:53.240 and unless there's some wild, feral child raised by wolves out there who actually has a Nintendo DS also, 29:53.860 --> 29:55.100 who is he playing with? 29:55.120 --> 29:56.400 I don't quite see. 29:57.340 --> 29:58.540 What am I missing here? 29:59.040 --> 30:00.120 That's the one that really... 30:00.120 --> 30:00.800 Well, they're standing behind the camera. 30:01.880 --> 30:02.600 Oh, well, there. 30:02.700 --> 30:03.580 It makes perfect sense. 30:03.640 --> 30:04.420 That was a set-up picture. 30:04.640 --> 30:05.500 And that's what I'm worried about. 30:05.500 --> 30:07.320 I think this whole thing... 30:07.320 --> 30:09.560 I want some technical information. 30:09.680 --> 30:13.140 I want some verification, and they're obviously not releasing it yet. 30:13.360 --> 30:17.460 They've got this ad campaign, this whole teaser thing going on, 30:17.900 --> 30:19.780 where they're not going to give us any real information. 30:19.860 --> 30:24.180 They've got these campaigns where some guy sneaking around and hiding from the camera. 30:24.260 --> 30:25.680 I don't know what the significance of that is. 30:25.700 --> 30:29.300 You've got a picture of this kid out in the woods playing his game with other people, 30:29.300 --> 30:34.020 and there was even something that they might have VoIP support in it that you can make phone... 30:34.020 --> 30:35.280 I don't see. 30:35.860 --> 30:38.080 It's all going to end up being this huge letdown. 30:38.220 --> 30:40.920 They're going to give you the nice hand stroke. 30:41.040 --> 30:42.640 They're going to get you all ready to go, 30:42.640 --> 30:44.380 and it's going to be a big cock tease. 30:44.480 --> 30:45.600 There's going to be nothing left. 30:46.640 --> 30:47.560 Huge letdown. 30:47.660 --> 30:48.800 There's no delivery on it. 30:48.860 --> 30:51.460 It's going to end up being something like we already know. 30:51.560 --> 30:52.860 You can play up to six... 30:52.860 --> 30:56.100 They'll announce that you can play up to six players with one cartridge on the game. 30:56.180 --> 30:56.740 Big deal. 30:57.780 --> 30:58.840 I'm wondering if there's... 30:58.840 --> 31:00.740 Interesting that you said that. 31:01.140 --> 31:01.580 Uh-huh. 31:02.040 --> 31:03.500 According to FlashDop this morning, 31:03.860 --> 31:08.360 apparently there is a Nintendo title called Mr. Driller. 31:08.360 --> 31:09.280 I've never heard of it. 31:09.440 --> 31:11.620 I don't have a DS, don't have an advanced. 31:11.960 --> 31:13.680 I haven't played Nintendo since the 8-bit. 31:14.060 --> 31:14.960 I'm now a PlayStation. 31:15.220 --> 31:16.020 But anyway... 31:16.020 --> 31:16.780 It's a mystery... 31:16.780 --> 31:18.440 According to Wide Refresh reports, 31:19.060 --> 31:19.360 there are... 31:20.140 --> 31:21.660 Apparently you can... 31:21.660 --> 31:24.780 In Japan, you can play this game with up to four people, 31:25.020 --> 31:26.780 but only one of them needs to cartridge. 31:27.300 --> 31:28.360 However, in the U.S., 31:28.940 --> 31:30.640 you need everyone... 31:30.640 --> 31:33.060 Every person playing needs to cartridge the game. 31:34.460 --> 31:34.900 Wow. 31:35.080 --> 31:36.400 Japan always gets the brakes. 31:36.400 --> 31:40.560 Well, probably because they know that people in the U.S. will buy it. 31:40.700 --> 31:41.500 Yeah, exactly. 31:41.620 --> 31:43.200 And they know they can rape us. 31:43.800 --> 31:44.160 Anyway. 31:45.180 --> 31:46.440 And again, this is... 31:46.440 --> 31:48.900 Boy, the Copic coming up is going to cover all that and more. 31:50.380 --> 31:53.040 Yeah, I thought with Mario 64, 31:53.200 --> 31:54.320 which is the only game I have 31:54.320 --> 31:56.060 and probably will buy for it, frankly, 31:56.500 --> 31:59.460 I thought you could play with at least one other person with that cartridge, 31:59.580 --> 32:01.980 but I haven't tried it because I don't have any friends. 32:01.980 --> 32:03.980 Oh, God, I need some quiet time. 32:03.980 --> 32:07.800 But I don't see why that's such a big deal 32:07.800 --> 32:09.560 to make this big campaign out of, though. 32:10.200 --> 32:12.600 Well, see, I think they're going to come up with it. 32:12.820 --> 32:13.840 That's what I... 32:13.840 --> 32:15.120 I guess I'm a consumer. 32:15.340 --> 32:16.280 I sort of bought a hood line. 32:16.340 --> 32:16.660 I'm a thinker. 32:17.000 --> 32:18.780 I think that they're going to come up with it. 32:18.820 --> 32:20.160 I think you're going to pay through the nose 32:20.160 --> 32:21.220 for all these stupid features. 32:21.780 --> 32:23.180 And, you know, you'll have one cartridge, 32:23.280 --> 32:24.020 which is a web browser, 32:24.140 --> 32:24.860 and the other cartridge, 32:24.860 --> 32:28.600 which may be a voiceover IP phone 32:28.600 --> 32:30.600 and another cartridge which, you know, 32:30.660 --> 32:31.860 sell your porn or something. 32:31.940 --> 32:32.280 I don't know. 32:33.180 --> 32:35.820 Well, Mr. Driller sounds like the name of a porn movie, 32:35.880 --> 32:36.480 if you ask me. 32:37.020 --> 32:38.500 That's the first thing that I thought, too, 32:38.540 --> 32:39.660 so I'm glad I'm not the only one. 32:41.560 --> 32:43.680 And especially with the fact that it came out from Japan, 32:43.760 --> 32:45.320 I was just like, ooh, don't want to know. 32:45.700 --> 32:46.000 Yeah. 32:47.040 --> 32:48.720 All right, let's move through some email here. 32:48.720 --> 32:51.060 We're kind of pushing our time here. 32:51.940 --> 32:54.720 Let's move on to DarkLogic. 32:55.660 --> 32:56.880 DarkLogic sent us an email. 32:57.020 --> 32:57.800 It says, 32:58.300 --> 32:58.900 Hi, Stank. 32:58.940 --> 32:59.740 I'll keep it short, 32:59.820 --> 33:01.480 but I just wanted to comment on your rant 33:01.480 --> 33:03.260 about anonymous proxy service 33:03.260 --> 33:05.200 in what I believe was episode 72. 33:05.460 --> 33:06.220 That is correct. 33:07.060 --> 33:08.140 At the end of the day, 33:08.220 --> 33:09.240 your message seemed to be 33:09.240 --> 33:11.520 that the only way to truly hide online 33:11.520 --> 33:14.420 is war driving plus Mac spoofing, 33:15.360 --> 33:17.480 and that proxy service can't be trusted 33:17.480 --> 33:19.340 not to be logging your information 33:19.340 --> 33:20.880 and cooperating with your government. 33:21.520 --> 33:23.760 This is true if you're using just one server, 33:24.140 --> 33:25.320 but if you connect to a site 33:25.320 --> 33:26.440 through several proxies 33:26.440 --> 33:27.580 run by several different, 33:27.760 --> 33:28.140 well, I'm sorry, 33:28.220 --> 33:29.340 by different administrators 33:29.340 --> 33:30.760 located in different jurisdictions, 33:31.280 --> 33:32.980 it becomes nearly impossible task 33:32.980 --> 33:33.780 for any administrator 33:33.780 --> 33:34.960 to trace it all the way 33:34.960 --> 33:36.020 from the end site 33:36.020 --> 33:37.820 back to you or vice versa. 33:38.360 --> 33:39.560 It is very common for people 33:39.560 --> 33:41.300 to use a chain of several rooted boxes 33:41.300 --> 33:43.220 to conceal their identities online. 33:43.860 --> 33:45.000 Another method I've seen 33:45.000 --> 33:46.040 is proxy software, 33:46.300 --> 33:47.400 which runs as both the server 33:47.400 --> 33:48.140 and the client, 33:48.500 --> 33:50.940 so you are connecting out 33:50.940 --> 33:51.660 as someone else 33:51.660 --> 33:53.140 and they are connecting out as you. 33:53.440 --> 33:54.740 With a proper implementation, 33:54.960 --> 33:55.300 encryption, 33:56.000 --> 33:57.440 and a large enough pool of users, 33:57.580 --> 33:58.600 it becomes impossible 33:58.600 --> 34:01.240 to determine who is who is who. 34:02.360 --> 34:04.480 So let me take this one quickly 34:04.480 --> 34:05.880 just because I do want to clarify. 34:06.820 --> 34:08.600 I did not mean, 34:08.840 --> 34:10.120 I didn't want it to come across 34:10.120 --> 34:10.820 like I was saying 34:10.820 --> 34:12.680 that the only way to have true anonymity 34:12.680 --> 34:14.160 is by war driving, 34:14.700 --> 34:15.760 spoofing your Mac address 34:15.760 --> 34:16.980 on your wireless card 34:16.980 --> 34:18.620 and jumping on people's network. 34:18.720 --> 34:20.220 I did not mean 34:20.220 --> 34:21.200 for it to come across. 34:21.280 --> 34:21.860 So if it did, 34:21.920 --> 34:22.300 I apologize. 34:22.480 --> 34:23.820 I did not want it to come across. 34:24.160 --> 34:25.000 My point 34:25.000 --> 34:26.840 in that segment 34:26.840 --> 34:28.560 was only to say 34:28.560 --> 34:29.600 that you have to think 34:29.600 --> 34:30.460 about your anonymity 34:30.460 --> 34:31.260 very carefully 34:31.260 --> 34:32.860 when using proxy servers. 34:33.400 --> 34:33.620 Amen. 34:33.700 --> 34:35.080 That was really the message. 34:35.180 --> 34:35.740 You have to know 34:35.740 --> 34:37.700 those servers intimately 34:37.700 --> 34:38.900 and I think people 34:38.900 --> 34:40.340 that download software packages 34:40.340 --> 34:41.380 like the one I described, 34:41.500 --> 34:41.860 Steganos, 34:42.200 --> 34:43.740 or any of the other ones, 34:44.040 --> 34:44.640 by default, 34:44.740 --> 34:45.820 they're not always using 34:45.820 --> 34:46.860 anonymous proxies. 34:46.940 --> 34:47.560 They're just using 34:47.560 --> 34:48.580 general proxies 34:48.580 --> 34:49.160 and most people 34:49.160 --> 34:50.460 probably don't realize that. 34:50.740 --> 34:51.640 I wanted to bring that 34:51.640 --> 34:52.200 to their attention 34:52.200 --> 34:52.860 to make sure people 34:52.860 --> 34:54.460 actually understand that 34:54.460 --> 34:55.880 and I just want to be clear 34:55.880 --> 34:56.920 that that was the message 34:56.920 --> 34:58.020 I was sending across. 34:58.620 --> 34:58.920 Now, 34:59.280 --> 35:00.500 I did have something else to say 35:00.500 --> 35:01.100 but go ahead. 35:02.560 --> 35:02.980 I want to... 35:02.980 --> 35:03.440 I just said amen. 35:03.580 --> 35:03.860 I didn't know. 35:04.040 --> 35:04.720 Oh, okay, yeah. 35:04.720 --> 35:08.140 I believe in that 35:08.140 --> 35:10.520 and I'm also going to... 35:10.520 --> 35:11.560 Your next rant 35:11.560 --> 35:12.320 according to the show notes. 35:13.860 --> 35:14.960 I'll come in after that 35:14.960 --> 35:15.920 because I don't have to talk about that. 35:15.920 --> 35:16.360 Okay, good. 35:16.960 --> 35:19.020 This is not so much a rant. 35:19.140 --> 35:19.960 Just, again, 35:20.700 --> 35:22.840 what you said is true 35:22.840 --> 35:24.060 in an ideal world. 35:25.300 --> 35:25.500 You know, 35:25.660 --> 35:26.680 server hopping 35:26.680 --> 35:27.580 is what I call it. 35:27.600 --> 35:28.100 I don't know if there's 35:28.100 --> 35:28.760 an actual term 35:28.760 --> 35:29.600 but server hopping. 35:31.040 --> 35:32.200 From one server 35:32.200 --> 35:33.340 to one owned box 35:33.340 --> 35:34.420 to another owned box 35:34.420 --> 35:35.360 if you rooted box 35:35.360 --> 35:36.020 as your terms 35:36.020 --> 35:37.520 or from one proxy 35:37.520 --> 35:38.340 to another proxy 35:38.340 --> 35:38.740 and hop. 35:38.800 --> 35:39.380 We used to call it 35:39.380 --> 35:40.040 telnet hopping 35:40.040 --> 35:40.760 back in the day 35:40.760 --> 35:41.960 before the global interweb 35:41.960 --> 35:42.500 came around 35:42.500 --> 35:45.940 but box hopping, 35:46.200 --> 35:47.000 server hopping 35:47.000 --> 35:47.960 from place to place 35:47.960 --> 35:50.520 hoping to conceal 35:50.520 --> 35:51.160 your tracks. 35:51.280 --> 35:51.900 Well, you know what? 35:52.460 --> 35:53.580 If you think that 35:53.580 --> 35:54.860 you're completely untraceable 35:54.860 --> 35:55.380 because you hop 35:55.380 --> 35:56.360 across a few servers, 35:56.680 --> 35:57.920 I got two words for you. 35:58.300 --> 35:59.580 Kevin Mitnick. 36:00.280 --> 36:00.540 Okay? 36:00.960 --> 36:02.880 Kevin thought the same thing 36:02.880 --> 36:03.920 and I think we all know 36:03.920 --> 36:05.080 how that came out. 36:05.760 --> 36:07.000 You still don't know 36:07.000 --> 36:08.100 even if you use, 36:08.820 --> 36:09.280 first of all, 36:09.300 --> 36:10.320 it's not an easy task. 36:10.420 --> 36:11.680 You've got to pay attention 36:11.680 --> 36:12.340 to all the hops 36:12.340 --> 36:13.540 you've got along the way too. 36:15.200 --> 36:16.260 But unless you know 36:16.260 --> 36:17.840 every single box 36:17.840 --> 36:18.600 that you're using 36:18.600 --> 36:20.700 for 100% certainty 36:20.700 --> 36:21.340 that they're not 36:21.340 --> 36:22.180 logging something 36:22.180 --> 36:23.500 or that the logs 36:23.500 --> 36:24.180 are being deleted 36:24.180 --> 36:24.960 or that it's somehow 36:24.960 --> 36:25.980 otherwise safe, 36:26.320 --> 36:27.720 one weak link 36:27.720 --> 36:28.600 in that chain 36:28.600 --> 36:29.520 of proxy servers 36:29.520 --> 36:31.320 can have more effect 36:31.320 --> 36:32.320 than you might realize. 36:32.780 --> 36:33.320 All they need 36:33.320 --> 36:35.380 is one connection 36:35.380 --> 36:35.900 somehow 36:35.900 --> 36:37.540 to either the remote box 36:37.540 --> 36:38.560 or to your box 36:38.560 --> 36:39.500 and they can start 36:39.500 --> 36:40.440 filling in blanks 36:40.440 --> 36:41.820 from any one of them. 36:42.180 --> 36:43.260 They have time stamps. 36:43.600 --> 36:44.320 All this stuff 36:44.320 --> 36:45.460 goes through the phone company 36:45.460 --> 36:48.180 and just from simple time stamps, 36:48.320 --> 36:50.700 it may be circumstantial evidence 36:50.700 --> 36:52.140 at that point in time, 36:52.340 --> 36:53.660 but if they can use 36:53.660 --> 36:54.540 a lot of the logs 36:54.540 --> 36:55.480 from the phone companies 36:55.480 --> 36:56.580 or from the ISPs 36:56.580 --> 36:57.820 and from any of the boxes 36:57.820 --> 36:59.760 that were watching you 36:59.760 --> 37:01.200 that weren't safe, 37:01.340 --> 37:02.880 they can start to put together 37:02.880 --> 37:04.060 a good enough path 37:04.060 --> 37:05.760 that may be circumstantial 37:05.760 --> 37:06.580 in the short term 37:06.580 --> 37:08.080 can actually make 37:08.080 --> 37:08.680 the connections 37:08.680 --> 37:10.120 they need to stick. 37:10.580 --> 37:12.500 So, yes, they're good. 37:12.780 --> 37:14.740 The more hops you put in there, 37:14.840 --> 37:16.000 yes, the safer you are, 37:16.180 --> 37:18.020 but that is also not 37:18.020 --> 37:19.900 100% certainty. 37:20.020 --> 37:20.700 That is not 37:20.700 --> 37:22.040 the complete way 37:22.040 --> 37:22.600 to be anonymous. 37:22.840 --> 37:23.620 It's almost, 37:24.500 --> 37:25.420 it's pretty certain 37:25.420 --> 37:26.100 if you do it right 37:26.100 --> 37:26.900 and you're very careful, 37:27.060 --> 37:28.200 sure, but you don't know 37:28.200 --> 37:29.140 if any one of those boxes 37:29.140 --> 37:29.880 is a honeypot, 37:29.980 --> 37:30.500 first of all. 37:31.140 --> 37:32.140 You think it's a server 37:32.140 --> 37:32.820 that you've rooted. 37:32.960 --> 37:33.860 You think it's a box 37:33.860 --> 37:34.360 that you own. 37:34.420 --> 37:35.640 You think it's a proxy server. 37:35.920 --> 37:36.960 It could be a honeypot 37:36.960 --> 37:37.500 and that's something 37:37.500 --> 37:38.640 we mentioned on the other show. 37:38.820 --> 37:40.380 It could be a government-run box. 37:41.280 --> 37:42.220 And not only that, 37:43.040 --> 37:44.040 just because you see 37:44.040 --> 37:44.760 a box open 37:44.760 --> 37:46.200 or you think you've rooted a box, 37:46.460 --> 37:46.880 there could be 37:46.880 --> 37:48.600 a hardware-based packet sniffer 37:48.600 --> 37:49.160 on there 37:49.160 --> 37:51.040 that's logging everything separately 37:51.040 --> 37:51.980 that you don't even see 37:51.980 --> 37:52.760 that it exists. 37:52.820 --> 37:53.420 It's just a little 37:53.420 --> 37:54.540 passive device in there 37:54.540 --> 37:55.840 that you're not even aware of. 37:56.100 --> 37:57.400 So you may still think 37:57.400 --> 37:58.620 that you're 100% covered 37:58.620 --> 37:59.120 because you know 37:59.120 --> 38:00.500 all the boxes along the way 38:00.500 --> 38:02.000 and you can still get bitten. 38:03.160 --> 38:04.960 So be very careful. 38:05.380 --> 38:07.560 The box that you root also, 38:07.820 --> 38:08.440 and again, 38:08.580 --> 38:09.260 I don't want to come out 38:09.260 --> 38:10.180 and condone, you know, 38:10.240 --> 38:10.940 certain activities, 38:11.560 --> 38:12.980 but rooting a box, 38:13.180 --> 38:14.000 that may get you 38:14.000 --> 38:14.600 in more trouble 38:14.600 --> 38:15.680 than whatever anonymity 38:15.680 --> 38:16.640 you're seeking anyway. 38:17.440 --> 38:18.160 So I'm not condoning 38:18.160 --> 38:18.560 or telling... 38:18.560 --> 38:19.000 I can almost guarantee 38:19.000 --> 38:19.600 that probably. 38:20.300 --> 38:21.360 I'm not going to come out 38:21.360 --> 38:21.940 and condone 38:21.940 --> 38:22.560 that you should go 38:22.560 --> 38:23.160 owning boxes 38:23.160 --> 38:25.080 so that you can get anonymity. 38:25.080 --> 38:26.320 I'm not going to come out 38:26.320 --> 38:27.220 and say that at all. 38:27.440 --> 38:28.680 If you've got that mindset... 38:28.680 --> 38:29.860 The box isn't bad, okay? 38:30.060 --> 38:30.680 Yeah, okay. 38:31.860 --> 38:32.960 So that's all I have 38:32.960 --> 38:33.620 to say about that. 38:33.940 --> 38:34.560 I'm going to take a drink 38:34.560 --> 38:34.980 of iced tea 38:34.980 --> 38:35.580 so you can go ahead. 38:36.240 --> 38:37.520 Well, you brought up 38:37.520 --> 38:38.100 Kevin Mitnick, 38:38.240 --> 38:39.280 and while, yes, 38:39.340 --> 38:40.740 Kevin Mitnick did use that bat, 38:40.800 --> 38:42.020 it really wasn't the way 38:42.020 --> 38:43.140 he got caught. 38:43.800 --> 38:44.940 A very good book 38:44.940 --> 38:45.460 for anyone 38:45.460 --> 38:46.280 that might be interested 38:46.280 --> 38:46.680 in Kevin. 38:46.820 --> 38:48.920 It's a very third person, 38:48.920 --> 38:49.640 and I feel 38:49.640 --> 38:52.100 it's a very neutral view 38:52.100 --> 38:52.500 of him. 38:52.700 --> 38:53.180 It's called 38:53.180 --> 38:54.020 The Fugitive Game 38:54.020 --> 38:55.140 by Jonathan Littman, 38:55.220 --> 38:56.360 L-I-T-T-M-A-N, 38:56.760 --> 38:59.280 and I'm just a really big fan 38:59.280 --> 38:59.780 of this book. 39:00.860 --> 39:01.600 The way, really, 39:01.680 --> 39:02.320 Kevin Mitnick caught 39:02.320 --> 39:03.160 is that they tracked down 39:03.160 --> 39:04.040 his cell phone use, 39:04.540 --> 39:06.460 and while, yes, 39:06.520 --> 39:07.120 they sort of traced 39:07.120 --> 39:08.180 certain things back to him, 39:08.380 --> 39:09.000 which, personally, 39:09.140 --> 39:10.020 I don't think he did. 39:10.080 --> 39:10.760 I just think he was 39:10.760 --> 39:11.280 the fall guy, 39:12.320 --> 39:13.600 that's how they sort 39:13.600 --> 39:14.300 of tracked him down. 39:14.760 --> 39:15.720 They just sort of put... 39:15.720 --> 39:16.600 That was the... 39:16.600 --> 39:17.220 I guess you could call it 39:17.220 --> 39:17.660 the catalyst. 39:17.660 --> 39:20.600 But the other thing 39:20.600 --> 39:21.480 that I want to point out 39:21.480 --> 39:21.900 is that, 39:22.300 --> 39:23.300 speaking of hopping 39:23.300 --> 39:24.220 from server to server 39:24.220 --> 39:24.620 to server, 39:25.180 --> 39:26.940 there's a small file 39:26.940 --> 39:27.480 out there. 39:27.660 --> 39:28.500 It's part of 39:28.500 --> 39:30.140 Practical Unix... 39:30.140 --> 39:30.640 Now, wait a minute. 39:31.880 --> 39:32.520 I don't know. 39:32.560 --> 39:33.180 It's part of a book. 39:33.240 --> 39:33.600 I think it's 39:33.600 --> 39:35.600 Practical Firewalls 39:35.600 --> 39:36.740 and something or other. 39:37.060 --> 39:38.480 It's by Bill Cheswick, 39:38.540 --> 39:38.880 and it's called 39:38.880 --> 39:40.020 An Evening with Erford, 39:40.120 --> 39:41.580 B-E-R-F-E-R-D, 39:41.980 --> 39:43.620 and it's back in 1995 39:43.620 --> 39:44.700 before this big 39:44.700 --> 39:45.340 interweb thing 39:45.340 --> 39:46.460 got caught off. 39:46.460 --> 39:48.100 And Bill Cheswick 39:48.100 --> 39:50.020 is an admin 39:50.020 --> 39:51.200 for, back then, 39:51.260 --> 39:52.160 AT&T Security. 39:53.340 --> 39:55.720 And AT&T Security Research 39:55.720 --> 39:56.480 or something, 39:56.620 --> 39:56.980 I don't know. 39:57.260 --> 39:57.860 And he would run 39:57.860 --> 39:58.680 a gateway box 39:58.680 --> 39:59.360 to this wonderful 39:59.360 --> 40:00.060 new thing called 40:00.060 --> 40:00.380 the Internet 40:00.380 --> 40:00.920 that they had. 40:01.280 --> 40:02.500 And he was tempted 40:02.500 --> 40:03.140 to attack, 40:03.280 --> 40:04.200 and they basically 40:04.200 --> 40:06.740 show from 40:06.740 --> 40:08.980 the first attack 40:08.980 --> 40:10.200 till when they 40:10.200 --> 40:10.940 narrowed it down, 40:10.940 --> 40:11.640 and they basically 40:11.640 --> 40:12.460 played with this 40:12.460 --> 40:14.080 cracker for, 40:14.260 --> 40:14.920 I think, 40:15.000 --> 40:15.600 approximately 40:15.600 --> 40:16.740 two or three weeks. 40:17.240 --> 40:17.680 And it's, you know, 40:17.740 --> 40:18.780 I love it. 40:18.820 --> 40:19.780 I think it's a very 40:19.780 --> 40:20.560 interesting way 40:20.560 --> 40:21.260 before all this 40:21.260 --> 40:22.000 honeypot nonsense 40:22.000 --> 40:22.540 came out 40:22.540 --> 40:23.540 that they set up 40:23.540 --> 40:24.000 this jail 40:24.000 --> 40:24.920 for this user, 40:26.500 --> 40:27.240 well, not a user, 40:27.380 --> 40:28.000 but an attacker, 40:28.220 --> 40:29.200 and they basically 40:29.200 --> 40:29.840 toyed with him 40:29.840 --> 40:30.180 and tracked 40:30.180 --> 40:30.660 his connection. 40:31.220 --> 40:32.020 And he went through 40:32.020 --> 40:33.540 at least two or three 40:33.540 --> 40:33.840 hops, 40:33.880 --> 40:34.460 and they traced him 40:34.460 --> 40:34.980 all the way back 40:34.980 --> 40:35.420 to Norway. 40:36.400 --> 40:37.440 And, I mean, 40:37.500 --> 40:38.300 you're talking about, 40:38.320 --> 40:38.500 you know, 40:38.520 --> 40:39.380 different jurisdictions 40:39.380 --> 40:40.600 and different people, 40:41.160 --> 40:42.460 and I believe 40:42.460 --> 40:44.200 one of the hops 40:44.200 --> 40:44.760 was through 40:44.760 --> 40:45.520 a foreign country, 40:45.760 --> 40:46.500 and they tracked 40:46.500 --> 40:46.980 him down, 40:47.240 --> 40:48.540 and the next stop 40:48.540 --> 40:49.080 beyond that 40:49.080 --> 40:49.780 was another foreign 40:49.780 --> 40:50.120 country, 40:50.160 --> 40:50.560 and they tracked 40:50.560 --> 40:51.100 him down to there. 40:51.360 --> 40:52.140 The problem was 40:52.140 --> 40:53.100 that they couldn't 40:53.100 --> 40:54.480 actually convict him 40:54.480 --> 40:55.320 because at that time 40:55.320 --> 40:57.120 Norway did not have 40:57.120 --> 40:58.680 a computer crime law. 40:59.420 --> 41:01.260 But it's very cool. 41:01.500 --> 41:02.540 It's a short story. 41:02.660 --> 41:03.400 It's a couple of pages, 41:03.860 --> 41:04.560 and it was basically 41:04.560 --> 41:05.400 submitted to a white 41:05.400 --> 41:06.240 paper to use it. 41:07.800 --> 41:09.040 My personal opinion 41:09.040 --> 41:10.120 of this whole thing 41:10.120 --> 41:11.880 is that always assume 41:11.880 --> 41:12.620 you're going to get 41:12.620 --> 41:12.940 caught. 41:13.600 --> 41:14.880 That is my philosophy. 41:15.480 --> 41:16.180 Don't do anything 41:16.180 --> 41:17.240 illegal because you 41:17.240 --> 41:18.200 know the moment 41:18.200 --> 41:18.820 that you try, 41:19.000 --> 41:19.900 someone will catch you. 41:20.200 --> 41:20.740 It doesn't matter 41:20.740 --> 41:21.920 how much stuff you do, 41:23.300 --> 41:24.260 everything will just 41:24.260 --> 41:24.860 fall into place 41:24.860 --> 41:25.820 for the opposing team, 41:25.960 --> 41:26.720 and you will just 41:26.720 --> 41:27.580 get busted right 41:27.580 --> 41:28.100 the next door. 41:29.400 --> 41:29.800 Absolutely. 41:30.140 --> 41:30.860 And you know what? 41:30.960 --> 41:32.340 The bottom line is 41:32.340 --> 41:33.220 you do have a right 41:33.220 --> 41:34.500 to privacy and anonymity, 41:34.500 --> 41:35.940 and for that purpose, 41:36.500 --> 41:37.340 for the purpose of 41:37.340 --> 41:38.220 protecting your privacy 41:38.220 --> 41:38.920 and anonymity, 41:39.280 --> 41:40.000 all the techniques 41:40.000 --> 41:40.840 that we've talked about 41:40.840 --> 41:41.920 are for the most part 41:41.920 --> 41:43.520 going to work for you, 41:43.780 --> 41:45.140 except, like I said 41:45.140 --> 41:46.420 in the point of that 41:46.420 --> 41:47.200 previous episode, 41:47.400 --> 41:48.540 was for standard 41:48.540 --> 41:50.060 privacy and anonymity, 41:50.220 --> 41:51.480 do not count on 41:51.480 --> 41:53.120 a proxy server like that. 41:53.120 --> 41:54.000 I was not really 41:54.000 --> 41:55.020 going that analytical 41:55.020 --> 41:55.920 into looking at 41:55.920 --> 41:56.780 hopping from boxes 41:56.780 --> 41:59.400 and trying to cover 41:59.400 --> 42:00.680 your tracks per se. 42:00.900 --> 42:01.740 I was really looking 42:01.740 --> 42:02.800 at it truly from 42:02.800 --> 42:04.200 an anonymity and 42:04.200 --> 42:05.320 privacy standpoint. 42:05.760 --> 42:06.020 Oh yeah, 42:06.080 --> 42:06.820 I know that, 42:06.880 --> 42:07.580 but I'm just sort of 42:07.580 --> 42:08.400 pointing these 42:08.400 --> 42:09.260 as a couple examples 42:09.260 --> 42:10.600 of what, 42:10.940 --> 42:11.440 excuse me, 42:11.500 --> 42:11.860 who was this, 42:11.920 --> 42:12.780 sort of dark logic 42:12.780 --> 42:14.380 that, you know, 42:14.440 --> 42:15.320 he says all this 42:15.320 --> 42:15.900 wonderful stuff, 42:15.960 --> 42:16.580 and even he talks 42:16.580 --> 42:17.300 about war driving 42:17.300 --> 42:18.040 and max spoofing, 42:18.980 --> 42:20.020 you can track people 42:20.020 --> 42:20.600 down from that. 42:20.600 --> 42:20.960 It's called 42:20.960 --> 42:22.020 Radio Direction Finding. 42:22.200 --> 42:22.700 I've done it. 42:23.220 --> 42:24.340 I have my bright 42:24.340 --> 42:25.620 and shiny ham radio badge, 42:25.680 --> 42:26.400 so I know all about 42:26.400 --> 42:27.060 that kind of stuff. 42:27.160 --> 42:28.040 You can do it. 42:28.780 --> 42:29.860 Yeah, and well, 42:30.460 --> 42:30.840 yeah. 42:30.840 --> 42:31.260 Well, I mean, 42:31.300 --> 42:31.920 even to a point, 42:32.000 --> 42:32.520 but you can get 42:32.520 --> 42:33.240 a general idea 42:33.240 --> 42:33.660 if they're coming 42:33.660 --> 42:34.400 from this thing. 42:34.700 --> 42:35.300 Well, that's if you 42:35.300 --> 42:36.020 catch them in the act. 42:36.080 --> 42:36.660 One street, 42:36.900 --> 42:37.420 another thing, 42:37.520 --> 42:38.160 and another street 42:38.160 --> 42:38.840 two blocks away 42:38.840 --> 42:39.420 the other night. 42:40.380 --> 42:40.760 Right, well, 42:40.780 --> 42:41.420 that's if you catch 42:41.420 --> 42:42.100 them in the act 42:42.100 --> 42:43.760 or multiple times. 42:44.760 --> 42:46.000 But the bottom line 42:46.000 --> 42:46.600 is, and yeah, 42:46.700 --> 42:48.200 I was just clarifying 42:48.200 --> 42:48.800 for the audience 42:48.800 --> 42:49.340 that we, you know. 42:49.340 --> 42:49.720 Okay, okay. 42:49.720 --> 42:51.200 Yeah, because I started 42:51.200 --> 42:51.680 talking about 42:51.680 --> 42:52.960 very gray things, so. 42:53.100 --> 42:53.740 Yeah, exactly. 42:53.880 --> 42:54.580 No, no, that's fine. 42:54.640 --> 42:55.780 That's what we do 42:55.780 --> 42:56.620 talk about on the show 42:56.620 --> 42:57.120 so that we do 42:57.120 --> 42:57.800 educate people 42:57.800 --> 42:58.260 and make them 42:58.260 --> 42:59.800 understand, you know, 42:59.840 --> 43:00.620 some of the risks 43:00.620 --> 43:01.460 and some of the things 43:01.460 --> 43:02.220 that are inherent 43:02.220 --> 43:03.180 into hacking. 43:03.680 --> 43:04.020 You know, 43:04.040 --> 43:05.000 no matter where you 43:05.000 --> 43:06.080 stand on the, 43:07.040 --> 43:07.800 or what color hat 43:07.800 --> 43:08.140 you wear, 43:08.220 --> 43:08.600 or whatever they, 43:08.660 --> 43:09.040 however you want 43:09.040 --> 43:09.560 to word it, 43:09.820 --> 43:10.580 these are all things 43:10.580 --> 43:11.220 that we should all 43:11.220 --> 43:12.240 be aware of regardless. 43:13.240 --> 43:15.620 But, I still, you know, 43:15.680 --> 43:16.800 that's why the motto 43:16.800 --> 43:18.000 of every hacker 43:18.000 --> 43:19.040 everywhere should be 43:19.040 --> 43:20.420 don't hack from home. 43:21.180 --> 43:22.340 If that's what you're 43:22.340 --> 43:23.100 hacking is into, 43:23.260 --> 43:25.100 especially if you're 43:25.100 --> 43:25.820 worried about something 43:25.820 --> 43:27.100 like that to that level, 43:27.640 --> 43:28.840 never hack from home. 43:28.920 --> 43:29.820 The only way that you 43:29.820 --> 43:30.700 can't be traced, 43:30.780 --> 43:31.480 and that's not that you 43:31.480 --> 43:31.860 can't be, 43:31.940 --> 43:32.720 you want to make it 43:32.720 --> 43:33.340 really difficult, 43:33.920 --> 43:35.300 don't hack from home. 43:36.020 --> 43:37.160 You go someplace 43:37.160 --> 43:38.080 where it's not 43:38.080 --> 43:39.340 associated with you, 43:39.340 --> 43:41.240 and the worst 43:41.240 --> 43:41.780 they can ever do 43:41.780 --> 43:42.440 is track it down 43:42.440 --> 43:43.760 to said place. 43:44.640 --> 43:45.760 Once that happens, 43:45.880 --> 43:46.500 then it becomes 43:46.500 --> 43:47.680 a matter of physically 43:47.680 --> 43:48.560 pinning you down. 43:49.200 --> 43:49.400 So, 43:50.300 --> 43:50.740 if you're going 43:50.740 --> 43:51.320 to do something, 43:51.760 --> 43:52.920 think it out beforehand. 43:53.260 --> 43:53.720 But, of course, 43:53.760 --> 43:54.340 we're not telling you 43:54.340 --> 43:54.880 to do anything, 43:54.980 --> 43:55.620 and we're not condoning 43:55.620 --> 43:56.540 you doing anything. 43:57.580 --> 43:57.740 So, 43:57.800 --> 43:58.300 don't do it, 43:58.360 --> 43:58.880 it's bad. 43:59.500 --> 43:59.860 Exactly. 43:59.880 --> 44:00.380 People have been 44:00.380 --> 44:00.940 there before, 44:01.060 --> 44:01.460 it's sort of like 44:01.460 --> 44:02.240 having your house 44:02.240 --> 44:02.500 robbed. 44:03.440 --> 44:03.800 Yeah. 44:04.940 --> 44:05.720 Alright, so let's 44:05.720 --> 44:06.860 move on to another 44:06.860 --> 44:07.600 email, and this is 44:07.600 --> 44:08.620 a pretty long one too. 44:09.340 --> 44:10.080 This is an email 44:10.080 --> 44:10.960 packed show again 44:10.960 --> 44:11.340 this week. 44:11.420 --> 44:12.500 We get so much 44:12.500 --> 44:12.920 good email, 44:13.040 --> 44:13.600 but you know what, 44:13.620 --> 44:14.920 it's good stuff 44:14.920 --> 44:15.440 to talk about, 44:15.480 --> 44:16.000 good content. 44:16.740 --> 44:17.780 This email is from 44:17.780 --> 44:18.720 a long time listener 44:18.720 --> 44:20.140 of especially 44:20.140 --> 44:21.020 default radio, 44:21.140 --> 44:21.360 I know, 44:21.420 --> 44:22.260 and this is from 44:22.260 --> 44:22.720 Havoc, 44:22.800 --> 44:23.560 Havoc the Freak. 44:24.420 --> 44:25.060 He says, 44:25.120 --> 44:25.740 Hi, as you know 44:25.740 --> 44:26.420 I'm from Poland, 44:26.800 --> 44:27.620 but for your 44:27.620 --> 44:28.620 extravaganza, 44:28.780 --> 44:29.460 last week I had 44:29.460 --> 44:30.140 the international 44:30.140 --> 44:31.100 extravaganza, 44:31.720 --> 44:32.580 I sent this email 44:32.580 --> 44:33.420 from my Japanese 44:33.420 --> 44:34.260 email account. 44:34.340 --> 44:34.980 Well, that's pretty cool. 44:35.740 --> 44:36.540 I'm emailing you 44:36.540 --> 44:37.420 mainly because I 44:37.420 --> 44:38.600 disagree of what 44:38.600 --> 44:39.300 you said about 44:39.300 --> 44:39.720 Sony. 44:39.940 --> 44:40.660 I don't defend 44:40.660 --> 44:41.220 this company. 44:41.660 --> 44:42.620 I'm not talking 44:42.620 --> 44:44.420 that they're superior. 44:44.920 --> 44:45.900 I just want to say 44:45.900 --> 44:47.240 I like this manufacturer, 44:47.480 --> 44:48.120 own their stuff, 44:48.220 --> 44:49.080 and will buy in the 44:49.080 --> 44:49.380 future. 44:50.120 --> 44:51.260 I don't know if you 44:51.260 --> 44:52.180 know how Japanese 44:52.180 --> 44:52.980 markets work. 44:53.060 --> 44:53.760 As far as I know, 44:53.840 --> 44:54.320 there's almost 44:54.320 --> 44:55.080 closed market, 44:55.220 --> 44:55.940 which means not 44:55.940 --> 44:56.940 always it is 44:56.940 --> 44:58.180 necessary to sell 44:58.180 --> 44:58.860 stuff outside of 44:58.860 --> 44:59.300 the country. 44:59.300 --> 45:02.360 I'm having trouble 45:02.360 --> 45:02.920 reading here. 45:03.040 --> 45:04.300 There might be some 45:04.300 --> 45:05.200 sort of own 45:05.200 --> 45:07.100 products only policy, 45:07.320 --> 45:08.900 but it's not such 45:08.900 --> 45:09.840 a big disadvantage. 45:10.960 --> 45:11.720 You said about 45:11.720 --> 45:12.440 memory sticks, 45:12.520 --> 45:13.020 so I'd like to 45:13.020 --> 45:13.700 raise your attention 45:13.700 --> 45:14.580 on camcorders. 45:15.080 --> 45:16.340 Sony Company makes 45:16.340 --> 45:17.260 and sells their own 45:17.260 --> 45:18.260 camcorders with DVD 45:18.260 --> 45:19.260 format recording. 45:19.660 --> 45:20.300 Well, in my humble 45:20.300 --> 45:21.780 opinion, DVD is the 45:21.780 --> 45:22.600 standard, and DVD 45:22.600 --> 45:24.200 discs are much more 45:24.200 --> 45:25.040 popular and cheaper 45:25.040 --> 45:26.020 than Digital 8 or 45:26.020 --> 45:26.600 Mini DV. 45:26.600 --> 45:28.000 Do you have to use 45:28.000 --> 45:29.660 only DVD-R, DVD-RW 45:29.660 --> 45:30.700 manufactured by Sony? 45:30.980 --> 45:31.380 No. 45:32.100 --> 45:32.840 So please thank 45:32.840 --> 45:34.100 Be More Objective. 45:34.960 --> 45:37.860 I've owned their 45:37.860 --> 45:38.800 equipment, and I can 45:38.800 --> 45:39.400 say it is very 45:39.400 --> 45:40.100 durable stuff. 45:40.420 --> 45:41.100 Certainly not 45:41.100 --> 45:42.120 everything made by 45:42.120 --> 45:43.240 Sony is great, but 45:43.240 --> 45:44.180 overall it's very 45:44.180 --> 45:44.800 good equipment. 45:45.240 --> 45:46.140 What is more, their 45:46.140 --> 45:47.160 components are used 45:47.160 --> 45:47.900 by many other 45:47.900 --> 45:48.560 vendors, mainly 45:48.560 --> 45:49.300 because of high 45:49.300 --> 45:49.800 quality. 45:50.240 --> 45:50.880 If you don't know, 45:50.980 --> 45:51.480 then I'd like to 45:51.480 --> 45:52.840 inform you that it 45:52.840 --> 45:53.920 was Sony who invented 45:53.920 --> 45:55.380 the Walkman, a piece 45:55.380 --> 45:56.440 of great piece of 45:56.440 --> 45:57.260 so great stuff. 45:57.660 --> 45:59.160 In 1979, an empire 45:59.160 --> 46:00.140 in personal portable 46:00.140 --> 46:00.940 entertainment was 46:00.940 --> 46:01.800 created with the 46:01.800 --> 46:03.600 ingenious foresight of 46:03.600 --> 46:04.620 Sony founder and 46:04.620 --> 46:05.620 chief advisor, the 46:05.620 --> 46:09.080 late Masaru Ubuka, and 46:09.080 --> 46:10.000 Sony founder and 46:10.000 --> 46:11.780 honorary chairman, 46:12.480 --> 46:13.660 Akio Morita. 46:14.500 --> 46:15.280 Did I just read 46:15.280 --> 46:16.360 Japanese names in a 46:16.360 --> 46:17.000 Spanish accent? 46:17.100 --> 46:17.620 I think I did. 46:18.140 --> 46:18.760 Yes, senor. 46:18.960 --> 46:20.260 Anyway, it began 46:20.260 --> 46:21.240 with the invention of 46:21.240 --> 46:22.160 the first cassette 46:22.160 --> 46:23.680 Walkman, TPS-L2, that 46:23.680 --> 46:24.480 forever changed the 46:24.480 --> 46:25.620 way consumers listen to 46:25.620 --> 46:25.940 music. 46:26.340 --> 46:26.780 In my humble 46:26.780 --> 46:27.540 opinion, it is 46:27.540 --> 46:29.620 Panasonic Corporation 46:29.620 --> 46:30.740 who does low-quality, 46:30.880 --> 46:32.140 insecure products, but 46:32.140 --> 46:32.980 there are also some 46:32.980 --> 46:34.240 exclusions like their 46:34.240 --> 46:35.580 awesome notebooks. 46:36.300 --> 46:37.180 I wonder how many 46:37.180 --> 46:38.400 TPS reports they have 46:38.400 --> 46:39.760 to do for that TPS-L2. 46:39.960 --> 46:41.420 Yeah, probably quite a 46:41.420 --> 46:41.520 few. 46:42.400 --> 46:43.480 All right, now, I've 46:43.480 --> 46:44.540 got a lot to say about 46:44.540 --> 46:45.380 this, so I'm going to 46:45.380 --> 46:46.840 start and kind of jump 46:46.840 --> 46:47.920 in between here if you 46:47.920 --> 46:49.440 want to add or disagree 46:49.440 --> 46:51.200 or whatever, but there's 46:51.200 --> 46:52.100 a lot of points that he 46:52.100 --> 46:54.640 made that I'm going to 46:54.640 --> 46:55.640 just quite frankly say 46:55.640 --> 46:56.880 I still disagree with 46:56.880 --> 46:57.060 it. 46:58.680 --> 46:59.640 One that I do agree 46:59.640 --> 47:00.220 with, I'll give you 47:00.220 --> 47:00.420 this. 47:00.480 --> 47:01.180 First of all, you 47:01.180 --> 47:02.240 mentioned that they 47:02.240 --> 47:04.780 make a camcorder that 47:04.780 --> 47:05.660 can record to DVD. 47:06.460 --> 47:07.180 First of all, they 47:07.180 --> 47:08.420 make, yes, that is 47:08.420 --> 47:09.300 true, and I will give 47:09.300 --> 47:10.060 them credit that that 47:10.060 --> 47:10.820 is a standard that 47:10.820 --> 47:12.300 they're using that 47:12.300 --> 47:12.760 standard. 47:13.520 --> 47:14.320 That's one. 47:14.380 --> 47:15.480 That's one piece of 47:15.480 --> 47:16.860 equipment that they 47:16.860 --> 47:18.200 appear by some sort of 47:18.200 --> 47:18.600 standard. 47:19.060 --> 47:19.820 Good for them. 47:20.140 --> 47:21.080 Yes, I'll give you a 47:21.080 --> 47:21.840 pat on the back for 47:21.840 --> 47:23.060 that one, but that's 47:23.060 --> 47:23.880 one product out of 47:23.880 --> 47:24.200 many. 47:24.700 --> 47:25.460 Go to the Sony 47:25.460 --> 47:27.380 website and look at 47:27.380 --> 47:28.180 their camcorders. 47:29.060 --> 47:30.180 That's the only one 47:30.180 --> 47:31.720 like that, and I have 47:31.720 --> 47:33.240 to point out that that 47:33.240 --> 47:34.660 is the most expensive 47:34.660 --> 47:35.540 one they offer. 47:35.760 --> 47:36.360 You know why? 47:36.460 --> 47:37.100 Because they're not 47:37.100 --> 47:37.600 going to get their 47:37.600 --> 47:38.980 money back by selling 47:38.980 --> 47:39.540 you all their 47:39.540 --> 47:41.080 proprietary media, so 47:41.080 --> 47:41.600 they're going to hit 47:41.600 --> 47:42.420 you up front with a 47:42.420 --> 47:43.220 higher price. 47:44.300 --> 47:44.520 Okay? 47:44.740 --> 47:45.760 The first generation 47:45.760 --> 47:46.780 DVD players that they 47:46.780 --> 47:47.540 had wouldn't play 47:47.540 --> 47:48.840 CD-Rs and RWs. 47:48.840 --> 47:50.300 Only commercial DVDs, 47:50.300 --> 47:50.660 that's it. 47:51.180 --> 47:51.760 They couldn't make 47:51.760 --> 47:52.380 their money off the 47:52.380 --> 47:52.800 media, they're going 47:52.800 --> 47:54.280 to raise the price of 47:54.280 --> 47:55.300 the item up front. 47:56.000 --> 47:57.040 How does that help me 47:57.040 --> 47:57.560 as a consumer? 47:57.620 --> 47:58.100 How is that good? 47:58.240 --> 47:59.500 Well, everyone's 47:59.500 --> 48:00.640 first generation DVD 48:00.640 --> 48:01.400 player really didn't 48:01.400 --> 48:01.820 play CD-Rs. 48:01.820 --> 48:02.500 No, that's not... 48:02.500 --> 48:03.240 I'm not going to say 48:03.240 --> 48:04.060 everyone, I'm going to 48:04.060 --> 48:04.780 say most of them. 48:05.060 --> 48:06.880 Well, I don't know if 48:06.880 --> 48:07.540 I'd go so far as to 48:07.540 --> 48:07.940 say most. 48:08.020 --> 48:08.940 My first generation 48:08.940 --> 48:10.000 JBC played them. 48:10.680 --> 48:12.740 My Apex 600 played 48:12.740 --> 48:13.320 them, and that was 48:13.320 --> 48:13.920 very early. 48:13.920 --> 48:17.180 Um, so the two that 48:17.180 --> 48:17.920 I have dealt with 48:17.920 --> 48:19.400 played them, but 48:19.400 --> 48:19.740 that's... 48:19.740 --> 48:20.520 Maybe I got the two 48:20.520 --> 48:21.520 that did, I don't 48:21.520 --> 48:21.740 know. 48:22.580 --> 48:24.560 Um, and I had a 48:24.560 --> 48:26.780 Samsung that played 48:26.780 --> 48:27.400 them, but I had to 48:27.400 --> 48:28.160 return that because it 48:28.160 --> 48:29.540 just overheated or 48:29.540 --> 48:30.380 something and had to 48:30.380 --> 48:31.120 be sent back, and 48:31.120 --> 48:31.920 Samsung sucks. 48:32.560 --> 48:33.640 So I can safely say 48:33.640 --> 48:33.900 that. 48:34.520 --> 48:35.220 This show brought to 48:35.220 --> 48:35.680 you by Samsung. 48:35.900 --> 48:36.100 Yeah. 48:36.100 --> 48:38.640 Um, yeah, and so 48:38.640 --> 48:39.800 the bottom line there 48:39.800 --> 48:40.720 is they're going to 48:40.720 --> 48:41.360 screw you up front 48:41.360 --> 48:42.100 with that price, or 48:42.100 --> 48:42.460 they're going to 48:42.460 --> 48:43.340 screw you a bunch of 48:43.340 --> 48:44.280 little times over a 48:44.280 --> 48:44.860 course of several 48:44.860 --> 48:46.660 years, so take it 48:46.660 --> 48:47.460 however you want it, 48:47.460 --> 48:48.000 I just don't want to 48:48.000 --> 48:48.820 get screwed at all. 48:49.720 --> 48:51.020 Uh, I looked, on 48:51.020 --> 48:52.220 their site, the only 48:52.220 --> 48:53.120 camcorder that they 48:53.120 --> 48:54.120 have that's higher 48:54.120 --> 48:54.920 priced is this 48:54.920 --> 48:56.400 multi-thousand dollar 48:56.400 --> 48:58.020 professional ones. 48:58.780 --> 49:00.980 Um, and there's one 49:00.980 --> 49:01.660 other one on that 49:01.660 --> 49:03.220 site that costs more 49:03.220 --> 49:03.980 than that, and you 49:03.980 --> 49:04.800 know what that is? 49:04.800 --> 49:06.840 Because it's 49:06.840 --> 49:07.700 another camcorder 49:07.700 --> 49:09.020 using another new 49:09.020 --> 49:11.540 Sony proprietary tape 49:11.540 --> 49:12.860 called Micro MV. 49:13.660 --> 49:14.700 Another new standard 49:14.700 --> 49:15.640 that Sony's making 49:15.640 --> 49:16.780 that only Sony makes 49:16.780 --> 49:17.440 because they want to 49:17.440 --> 49:18.400 lock you into buying 49:18.400 --> 49:19.580 these products and 49:19.580 --> 49:20.380 never let you go. 49:20.440 --> 49:21.020 It's like being in 49:21.020 --> 49:21.480 the mafia. 49:21.840 --> 49:22.480 Once you're a part of 49:22.480 --> 49:23.500 the Sony family, you're 49:23.500 --> 49:24.540 down for life. 49:25.440 --> 49:26.460 You can't get away. 49:26.560 --> 49:27.240 You try to get away 49:27.240 --> 49:27.900 and they keep pulling 49:27.900 --> 49:28.740 you back in. 49:30.140 --> 49:31.120 That's the way they 49:31.120 --> 49:32.060 work, and that's what 49:32.060 --> 49:32.920 I don't like about 49:32.920 --> 49:33.020 them. 49:33.080 --> 49:34.520 So, okay, they made a 49:34.520 --> 49:35.780 DVD, or they made a 49:35.780 --> 49:37.020 camcorder that burns 49:37.020 --> 49:38.080 to DVDs, standard 49:38.080 --> 49:39.040 DVDs that you can buy 49:39.040 --> 49:39.420 anywhere. 49:39.780 --> 49:41.560 There's one out of, I 49:41.560 --> 49:43.880 don't know, 20 camcorders 49:43.880 --> 49:44.680 that they have available 49:44.680 --> 49:45.200 from Sony. 49:45.320 --> 49:45.960 One of them. 49:46.340 --> 49:47.360 Well, is it mini DVD 49:47.360 --> 49:47.740 a standard? 49:48.020 --> 49:49.340 It is, it is now, and 49:49.340 --> 49:50.040 that's what, that's 49:50.040 --> 49:50.760 exactly what I said 49:50.760 --> 49:51.200 last week. 49:51.260 --> 49:52.700 They finally started 49:52.700 --> 49:54.500 doing stuff, some of 49:54.500 --> 49:55.040 these things, because 49:55.040 --> 49:55.760 they knew that they 49:55.760 --> 49:56.540 were getting beaten. 49:57.320 --> 49:58.200 They had to, but 49:58.200 --> 49:59.420 they're, obviously, like 49:59.420 --> 50:00.040 I said, now they're 50:00.040 --> 50:00.900 trying to drive people 50:00.900 --> 50:01.660 to this Micro MV. 50:02.000 --> 50:02.960 They'll make a couple 50:02.960 --> 50:05.140 to survive, but then 50:05.140 --> 50:05.720 they're trying to 50:05.720 --> 50:06.820 develop their own, and 50:06.820 --> 50:07.720 again, the biggest 50:07.720 --> 50:09.340 example I made was 50:09.340 --> 50:12.040 that memory stick, and 50:12.040 --> 50:13.180 they're still using that 50:13.180 --> 50:13.840 to this day. 50:14.200 --> 50:15.460 These camcorders, they'll 50:15.460 --> 50:16.860 take still pictures, but 50:16.860 --> 50:17.740 only if you have the 50:17.740 --> 50:18.280 memory stick. 50:20.040 --> 50:21.980 No SD, no compact 50:21.980 --> 50:24.340 flash, no MMC, memory 50:24.340 --> 50:26.140 stick, available at 50:26.140 --> 50:26.400 Sony. 50:26.400 --> 50:29.980 I just don't like it. 50:30.040 --> 50:30.380 I think it's 50:30.380 --> 50:30.760 ridiculous. 50:32.460 --> 50:33.260 Now, as far as 50:33.260 --> 50:34.700 quality, I didn't say 50:34.700 --> 50:35.300 anything about the 50:35.300 --> 50:35.980 quality of the 50:35.980 --> 50:36.400 products. 50:37.480 --> 50:38.760 Well, frankly, I can't 50:38.760 --> 50:39.800 really say a whole lot. 50:40.140 --> 50:41.320 I've heard bad things 50:41.320 --> 50:41.800 about it. 50:42.740 --> 50:43.460 Lucky's the one that 50:43.460 --> 50:44.460 said that he had bad 50:44.460 --> 50:45.960 luck with his products. 50:46.040 --> 50:46.480 He's the one that 50:46.480 --> 50:47.300 talked about quality. 50:47.760 --> 50:48.980 Me, I just say I don't 50:48.980 --> 50:49.580 like the company. 50:49.660 --> 50:50.360 I don't like them out 50:50.360 --> 50:50.780 of principle. 50:51.020 --> 50:52.420 I have not, I don't 50:52.420 --> 50:53.760 own Sony, of any 50:53.760 --> 50:54.780 Sony products, so I 50:54.780 --> 50:55.960 can't tell you the 50:55.960 --> 50:56.600 quality, and I 50:56.600 --> 50:57.360 wouldn't try to make 50:57.360 --> 50:58.860 it up just to sound, 50:58.980 --> 50:59.580 you know, just because 50:59.580 --> 51:00.180 I hate Sony. 51:00.580 --> 51:01.380 That's not what it's 51:01.380 --> 51:01.580 about. 51:01.640 --> 51:02.740 It's not that I'm 51:02.740 --> 51:03.620 closed-minded, or 51:03.620 --> 51:04.240 what do you, how do 51:04.240 --> 51:05.800 you say, I need to be 51:05.800 --> 51:06.660 open-minded, or 51:06.660 --> 51:07.340 something like that. 51:07.800 --> 51:08.880 It's not that at all. 51:08.920 --> 51:09.540 It's just that I don't 51:09.540 --> 51:10.180 want to support a 51:10.180 --> 51:12.140 company that makes, that 51:12.140 --> 51:13.220 uses that kind of 51:13.220 --> 51:13.480 stuff. 51:13.720 --> 51:15.060 If there's 51:15.060 --> 51:16.020 alternatives out 51:16.020 --> 51:16.340 there, I mean, 51:16.380 --> 51:17.580 there's a lot of 51:17.580 --> 51:18.840 companies that make 51:18.840 --> 51:19.480 electronics. 51:20.380 --> 51:20.960 Sony, I mean, 51:20.980 --> 51:21.480 that's one of the 51:21.480 --> 51:23.040 most crowded markets 51:23.040 --> 51:24.260 in existence. 51:24.600 --> 51:25.560 Consumer electronics, 51:25.960 --> 51:27.180 there are tons of 51:27.180 --> 51:27.880 players in that 51:27.880 --> 51:29.000 game, tons of 51:29.000 --> 51:29.140 them. 51:29.400 --> 51:30.420 You can go to any 51:30.420 --> 51:31.680 other manufacturer 51:31.680 --> 51:33.540 out there. 51:33.660 --> 51:34.460 I've had good luck 51:34.460 --> 51:35.140 with JVC. 51:35.540 --> 51:36.220 I have a lot of 51:36.220 --> 51:37.100 JVC products, and I'm 51:37.100 --> 51:37.760 very happy with 51:37.760 --> 51:39.540 them, so Sony's not 51:39.540 --> 51:40.760 the only company out 51:40.760 --> 51:40.940 there. 51:41.060 --> 51:42.620 So when you have to 51:42.620 --> 51:44.460 weigh two competitors, 51:45.040 --> 51:46.560 I can get JVC, which 51:46.560 --> 51:47.620 adheres to standards, or 51:47.620 --> 51:48.340 I can buy the Sony, 51:48.440 --> 51:50.320 which does not, I'm 51:50.320 --> 51:51.060 going to choose the 51:51.060 --> 51:51.640 JVC. 51:51.640 --> 51:53.380 or whatever, insert 51:53.380 --> 51:54.180 whatever company you 51:54.180 --> 51:56.160 like here, you 51:56.160 --> 51:57.340 know, do you 51:57.340 --> 51:57.820 understand what I'm 51:57.820 --> 51:58.380 saying with that? 51:59.180 --> 52:00.140 Quality is not, 52:00.920 --> 52:01.720 there's a lot of 52:01.720 --> 52:02.560 other high quality 52:02.560 --> 52:03.120 ones out there, and 52:03.120 --> 52:03.800 I think he admitted 52:03.800 --> 52:05.060 that in his email as 52:05.060 --> 52:05.340 well. 52:06.400 --> 52:07.080 Well, to be 52:07.080 --> 52:08.080 completely honest, I 52:08.080 --> 52:09.300 feel that Sony has a 52:09.300 --> 52:09.940 bit of an edge of 52:09.940 --> 52:10.640 quality-wise. 52:11.100 --> 52:13.000 I mean, as compared 52:13.000 --> 52:14.300 to what they were 52:14.300 --> 52:15.800 ten years ago or so, 52:16.480 --> 52:18.100 they have gone 52:18.100 --> 52:18.900 downhill, and they 52:18.900 --> 52:19.620 have done some very 52:19.620 --> 52:20.380 interesting things. 52:20.380 --> 52:20.900 And if you look at 52:20.900 --> 52:23.480 their quarterly 52:23.480 --> 52:24.360 reports, you'll see 52:24.360 --> 52:25.160 that they're actually 52:25.160 --> 52:25.680 interested. 52:26.700 --> 52:28.560 They were, back in 52:28.560 --> 52:29.540 2000, they basically 52:29.540 --> 52:30.860 decided, let's go try 52:30.860 --> 52:31.760 to dominate the 52:31.760 --> 52:32.260 living room. 52:32.980 --> 52:33.740 And, you know, they 52:33.740 --> 52:34.280 came out with a lot 52:34.280 --> 52:34.880 of stuff, like, you 52:34.880 --> 52:36.180 know, TVs that could 52:36.180 --> 52:36.980 accept their little 52:36.980 --> 52:37.880 memory sticks and 52:37.880 --> 52:38.440 stuff that could 52:38.440 --> 52:39.060 record the memory 52:39.060 --> 52:39.340 sticks. 52:39.860 --> 52:41.360 And you said last 52:41.360 --> 52:41.880 week that they were 52:41.880 --> 52:42.680 a lot like Microsoft, 52:43.380 --> 52:45.980 and Microsoft really 52:45.980 --> 52:47.680 did revolutionize the 52:47.680 --> 52:48.840 PC industry because 52:48.840 --> 52:50.280 everything worked 52:50.280 --> 52:50.720 with each other 52:50.720 --> 52:51.120 because they were 52:51.120 --> 52:51.740 all running the 52:51.740 --> 52:52.740 same thing, much 52:52.740 --> 52:53.420 like, you know, the 52:53.420 --> 52:54.160 telephone network 52:54.160 --> 52:55.380 back in the 1960s, 52:55.480 --> 52:56.120 they all worked 52:56.120 --> 52:56.740 together because they 52:56.740 --> 52:57.440 were all using the 52:57.440 --> 52:57.920 same thing. 52:58.880 --> 52:59.000 Right. 52:59.140 --> 53:02.020 So when Sony was 53:02.020 --> 53:04.180 coming out, it was 53:04.180 --> 53:05.480 when they were 53:05.480 --> 53:05.940 shooting for the 53:05.940 --> 53:06.460 living room, they 53:06.460 --> 53:07.080 were all going for 53:07.080 --> 53:07.860 the same standards. 53:09.200 --> 53:11.120 Yeah, and that's a 53:11.120 --> 53:12.120 good segue into the 53:12.120 --> 53:12.780 next thing I want to 53:12.780 --> 53:13.540 talk about, too, and 53:13.540 --> 53:14.820 that is, you made 53:14.820 --> 53:15.660 the comment that Sony 53:15.660 --> 53:16.600 invented the Walkman. 53:16.800 --> 53:18.160 Well, that's great, 53:18.320 --> 53:19.240 you know, and you just 53:19.240 --> 53:19.920 said a moment ago, 53:19.980 --> 53:20.900 like back in 1960. 53:21.140 --> 53:22.740 Well, it's not 1960 53:22.740 --> 53:23.260 anymore. 53:23.960 --> 53:24.900 I was just using that 53:24.900 --> 53:25.380 as an example. 53:25.540 --> 53:26.360 I kind of knew that 53:26.360 --> 53:26.980 you were leading me 53:26.980 --> 53:27.620 into that, so I'm 53:27.620 --> 53:28.160 going to take it. 53:28.940 --> 53:30.160 You know, IBM invented 53:30.160 --> 53:31.260 the PC as we know it 53:31.260 --> 53:32.900 today anyway, and we're 53:32.900 --> 53:33.660 not going to get into a 53:33.660 --> 53:34.480 tangent on who invented 53:34.480 --> 53:35.460 the PC because that's 53:35.460 --> 53:36.140 so debatable. 53:36.980 --> 53:38.220 Out here, man, out 53:38.220 --> 53:38.560 here. 53:38.720 --> 53:39.900 Yeah, as we know it 53:39.900 --> 53:41.580 today, IBM was the one 53:41.580 --> 53:43.000 that drove PCs for the 53:43.000 --> 53:44.120 general home user. 53:44.520 --> 53:45.160 Does that mean it was 53:45.160 --> 53:45.940 the best at the time? 53:45.940 --> 53:48.120 No, not necessarily. 53:48.760 --> 53:49.820 It was new, it was 53:49.820 --> 53:50.640 innovative, it was 53:50.640 --> 53:51.460 something that was 53:51.460 --> 53:53.220 great for the market and 53:53.220 --> 53:54.140 drove the market to 53:54.140 --> 53:54.960 where it is today. 53:55.120 --> 53:56.920 But where is IBM as the 53:56.920 --> 53:58.160 PC manufacturing world 53:58.160 --> 53:58.560 today? 53:59.420 --> 54:00.280 They're actually trying 54:00.280 --> 54:00.920 to get out of the PC 54:00.920 --> 54:01.240 business. 54:01.680 --> 54:02.700 You know why? 54:03.060 --> 54:03.820 Why did they get out? 54:03.880 --> 54:04.640 Why are they dying? 54:04.740 --> 54:05.460 Why couldn't they hang 54:05.460 --> 54:05.760 with it? 54:06.060 --> 54:07.280 Because they did the 54:07.280 --> 54:07.800 same thing. 54:07.860 --> 54:08.820 It's all about using 54:08.820 --> 54:10.540 this proprietary crap. 54:11.160 --> 54:12.180 They kept only 54:12.180 --> 54:13.260 proprietary parts. 54:13.260 --> 54:15.560 This may be too old 54:15.560 --> 54:16.740 school for some of our 54:16.740 --> 54:18.380 younger listeners, but 54:18.380 --> 54:19.740 I mean, you've ever 54:19.740 --> 54:20.620 seen these old 54:20.620 --> 54:21.680 interfaces that you 54:21.680 --> 54:22.900 couldn't take a hard 54:22.900 --> 54:24.940 drive and buy it at a 54:24.940 --> 54:26.300 store or at a computer 54:26.300 --> 54:27.940 show or at Compusa, 54:27.960 --> 54:28.660 which probably didn't 54:28.660 --> 54:28.920 exist. 54:29.000 --> 54:29.420 I don't know when 54:29.420 --> 54:30.260 Compusa came into 54:30.260 --> 54:31.820 existence, and use it 54:31.820 --> 54:32.740 in an IBM because it 54:32.740 --> 54:33.420 was a whole different 54:33.420 --> 54:34.440 interface, whole different 54:34.440 --> 54:35.180 motherboards, whole 54:35.180 --> 54:36.440 different, it would not 54:36.440 --> 54:37.520 cooperate with others. 54:37.680 --> 54:39.240 So that's when the 54:39.240 --> 54:40.160 clones started coming 54:40.160 --> 54:40.480 out. 54:41.000 --> 54:41.940 People said, listen, 54:41.940 --> 54:42.640 we're not going to 54:42.640 --> 54:43.480 deal with this. 54:43.580 --> 54:44.160 You're going to, you 54:44.160 --> 54:44.940 know, it's great that 54:44.940 --> 54:46.100 you invented this 54:46.100 --> 54:47.200 computer, and for a 54:47.200 --> 54:48.380 while they capitalized 54:48.380 --> 54:49.360 on the success of it 54:49.360 --> 54:50.300 for a short term, and 54:50.300 --> 54:51.200 that's what it's all 54:51.200 --> 54:51.560 about. 54:51.840 --> 54:52.960 But if you're inflexible 54:52.960 --> 54:54.020 and you can't adapt, 54:54.800 --> 54:56.880 it's going to hurt you 54:56.880 --> 54:57.400 in the long run. 54:57.440 --> 54:58.180 It's the same thing, 54:58.260 --> 54:59.680 the same argument that 54:59.680 --> 55:01.020 I always use with the 55:01.020 --> 55:03.100 RIAA and the MPAA. 55:03.520 --> 55:03.980 Guess what? 55:04.020 --> 55:04.900 It's a new world. 55:05.320 --> 55:06.360 You will have to adapt 55:06.360 --> 55:07.800 to it, or people are 55:07.800 --> 55:08.440 going to take these 55:08.440 --> 55:09.120 movies and do what 55:09.120 --> 55:09.800 they want with them 55:09.800 --> 55:10.620 without your 55:10.620 --> 55:11.040 cooperation. 55:11.040 --> 55:12.060 So I suggest you 55:12.060 --> 55:12.920 get on board and 55:12.920 --> 55:13.560 come up with a new 55:13.560 --> 55:14.920 marketing plan, a new 55:14.920 --> 55:16.020 distribution plan, a 55:16.020 --> 55:16.560 new way to get 55:16.560 --> 55:17.680 consumers movies at a 55:17.680 --> 55:18.500 reasonable price. 55:19.180 --> 55:20.300 Similar to this, it's 55:20.300 --> 55:20.840 the same thing. 55:20.920 --> 55:22.520 You've got to adapt and 55:22.520 --> 55:23.840 change as the world 55:23.840 --> 55:24.380 change. 55:24.820 --> 55:25.720 Clones were cheaper, 55:25.880 --> 55:26.820 they ran faster, they 55:26.820 --> 55:27.900 had new standards that 55:27.900 --> 55:28.980 IBM refused to take 55:28.980 --> 55:31.160 hold of, and IBM did 55:31.160 --> 55:32.120 back then the same 55:32.120 --> 55:32.880 thing that Sony is 55:32.880 --> 55:33.760 doing now. 55:34.320 --> 55:35.860 If Sony wasn't so 55:35.860 --> 55:38.400 close source, do you 55:38.400 --> 55:39.240 think there'd be, I 55:39.240 --> 55:40.380 mean, people know 55:40.380 --> 55:41.560 that Sony is like 55:41.560 --> 55:41.820 this. 55:41.920 --> 55:43.400 You think JVC's, people 55:43.400 --> 55:44.820 don't know it, Panasonic, 55:46.340 --> 55:47.600 jeez, I can't even 55:47.600 --> 55:48.300 think off my hand, 55:48.340 --> 55:49.300 there's tons of 55:49.300 --> 55:50.400 players in the 55:50.400 --> 55:50.800 electronics. 55:51.020 --> 55:52.240 They're licking their 55:52.240 --> 55:54.340 chops, waiting for 55:54.340 --> 55:55.660 Sony to keep doing 55:55.660 --> 55:56.620 this, because the more 55:56.620 --> 55:58.020 Sony does this, the 55:58.020 --> 55:58.820 more close source, 55:58.900 --> 55:59.840 proprietary stuff they 55:59.840 --> 56:01.100 do, they're smelling 56:01.100 --> 56:01.960 blood, and they know 56:01.960 --> 56:02.720 that Sony's going to 56:02.720 --> 56:04.120 end up just like IBM, 56:04.120 --> 56:05.320 IBM, and frankly, 56:05.460 --> 56:06.660 Apple, we all know 56:06.660 --> 56:07.840 that Apple almost 56:07.840 --> 56:08.260 died. 56:08.800 --> 56:09.780 Great, they came back 56:09.780 --> 56:10.540 strong and powerful 56:10.540 --> 56:11.200 now because they 56:11.200 --> 56:12.420 adapted, which is 56:12.420 --> 56:13.300 exactly what they 56:13.300 --> 56:13.940 needed to do, and 56:13.940 --> 56:15.200 give them nothing but 56:15.200 --> 56:15.820 credit for that. 56:16.120 --> 56:17.780 But Apple almost died 56:17.780 --> 56:18.400 the same thing. 56:18.480 --> 56:18.880 They're another 56:18.880 --> 56:19.900 Microsoft of hardware. 56:20.040 --> 56:21.420 Only Apple could make 56:21.420 --> 56:22.160 the Macintosh. 56:22.380 --> 56:22.860 And you know what? 56:22.900 --> 56:23.700 People got tired of 56:23.700 --> 56:24.620 it, and they almost 56:24.620 --> 56:25.080 died. 56:25.480 --> 56:26.700 And Sony is headed in 56:26.700 --> 56:27.400 that direction. 56:27.940 --> 56:28.660 All these other 56:28.660 --> 56:29.480 companies are like, 56:29.520 --> 56:29.960 you know what? 56:30.180 --> 56:31.680 Our stuff's almost as 56:31.680 --> 56:32.860 good, as good, or even 56:32.860 --> 56:33.600 better, some would 56:33.600 --> 56:34.920 debate than Sony. 56:35.020 --> 56:35.580 And they're just 56:35.580 --> 56:36.020 waiting. 56:36.480 --> 56:37.500 And Sony is going to 56:37.500 --> 56:38.520 keep on, and they're 56:38.520 --> 56:39.560 going to blow it. 56:39.920 --> 56:41.960 That's my bottom 56:41.960 --> 56:42.260 line. 56:42.420 --> 56:43.320 I can go to the 56:43.320 --> 56:44.220 99-cent store and 56:44.220 --> 56:45.400 buy a Walkman, with 56:45.400 --> 56:46.160 batteries included, 56:46.260 --> 56:46.660 probably. 56:47.900 --> 56:48.360 Yeah, but there's 56:48.360 --> 56:48.740 city batteries. 56:50.480 --> 56:52.200 Well, yeah, but not 56:52.200 --> 56:52.920 99 cents. 56:52.960 --> 56:53.720 I'm making a joke. 56:53.840 --> 56:54.840 But for five to ten 56:54.840 --> 56:55.680 bucks, I can go into 56:55.680 --> 56:57.520 any department store on 56:57.520 --> 56:58.620 the planet and buy a 56:58.620 --> 56:59.200 Walkman or a 56:59.200 --> 56:59.560 knockoff. 56:59.980 --> 57:00.700 Yeah, they invented 57:00.700 --> 57:00.920 it. 57:01.120 --> 57:01.940 Great for them. 57:02.020 --> 57:02.860 That's fantastic. 57:02.860 --> 57:04.320 And I'll move on 57:04.320 --> 57:06.180 right into the other 57:06.180 --> 57:07.060 fact that he mentioned 57:07.060 --> 57:08.580 the people who 57:08.580 --> 57:09.260 founded and made 57:09.260 --> 57:10.680 Sony back in 1979, 57:11.020 --> 57:11.620 et cetera, et cetera. 57:11.920 --> 57:12.720 Hey, I have nothing 57:12.720 --> 57:13.580 but respect for that. 57:13.640 --> 57:14.460 That's great for them. 57:14.540 --> 57:15.780 I'm not putting them 57:15.780 --> 57:16.720 down, or the 57:16.720 --> 57:17.180 individuals. 57:17.600 --> 57:18.500 I'm talking about how 57:18.500 --> 57:19.560 they're not adapting 57:19.560 --> 57:21.540 and not changing with 57:21.540 --> 57:22.060 the market. 57:23.200 --> 57:24.220 The founders, the 57:24.220 --> 57:24.740 people, they did 57:24.740 --> 57:25.280 great stuff. 57:25.340 --> 57:25.980 I don't have problems 57:25.980 --> 57:26.360 with them. 57:26.820 --> 57:27.860 I've even said on the 57:27.860 --> 57:28.660 show, I know a lot of 57:28.660 --> 57:29.520 people hate Walmart. 57:29.520 --> 57:30.860 Walmart, and I do 57:30.860 --> 57:31.760 too now. 57:31.920 --> 57:32.920 I dislike them anyway. 57:33.040 --> 57:33.580 I don't hate them as 57:33.580 --> 57:34.200 much as some other 57:34.200 --> 57:34.480 people. 57:34.620 --> 57:35.280 Dual parallel. 57:36.340 --> 57:38.660 But Walmart, when Sam 57:38.660 --> 57:39.480 Walton was running it, 57:39.560 --> 57:41.200 was fantastic. 57:41.660 --> 57:42.720 It was a great place. 57:43.040 --> 57:43.760 He cared. 57:43.880 --> 57:44.960 He did things right. 57:45.040 --> 57:46.000 It was a good company. 57:46.360 --> 57:47.080 He went out and did 57:47.080 --> 57:48.040 things the right way. 57:48.140 --> 57:48.860 Great franchise. 57:49.800 --> 57:50.920 But Sam Walton passed 57:50.920 --> 57:52.460 away, and the stockholders 57:52.460 --> 57:53.680 and shareholders take over, 57:54.100 --> 57:55.420 and that's the first way to 57:55.420 --> 57:56.360 kill any business. 57:57.000 --> 57:57.720 I don't want to get into 57:57.720 --> 57:59.660 a whole tangent on that. 58:00.080 --> 58:00.880 People are greedy. 58:01.060 --> 58:02.100 Yeah, it's all about the 58:02.100 --> 58:02.820 almighty dollar. 58:02.940 --> 58:03.760 People want that money, 58:03.800 --> 58:04.320 and they're going to cut 58:04.320 --> 58:04.760 costs. 58:04.820 --> 58:05.340 They don't care. 58:05.600 --> 58:06.140 They're going to look at 58:06.140 --> 58:07.200 bottom line, and they 58:07.200 --> 58:08.920 blind themselves into 58:08.920 --> 58:10.120 thinking that the way to 58:10.120 --> 58:11.260 make more money is these 58:11.260 --> 58:12.160 closed source things. 58:12.280 --> 58:13.020 So people running Sony 58:13.020 --> 58:14.420 says, hey, we can make 58:14.420 --> 58:15.880 more money by making a new 58:15.880 --> 58:16.980 memory stick, and don't 58:16.980 --> 58:18.040 let them buy the others 58:18.040 --> 58:18.880 because they'll buy the 58:18.880 --> 58:19.620 generic brand, and we 58:19.620 --> 58:20.420 want them to buy Sony 58:20.420 --> 58:20.720 brand. 58:20.860 --> 58:21.560 You know what? 58:21.600 --> 58:22.500 That may sound good on 58:22.500 --> 58:24.000 paper, and that may look 58:24.000 --> 58:24.860 good to your stockholders 58:24.860 --> 58:25.880 in the short term, but 58:25.880 --> 58:28.260 every single day, they're 58:28.260 --> 58:28.940 getting passed. 58:29.020 --> 58:30.040 There's only one company 58:30.040 --> 58:31.180 that's been able to pull 58:31.180 --> 58:32.740 that off over time, and 58:32.740 --> 58:33.340 that's Microsoft. 58:33.700 --> 58:34.480 And you know what? 58:35.060 --> 58:35.960 They're losing more and 58:35.960 --> 58:37.800 more ground every day as 58:37.800 --> 58:38.100 well. 58:38.100 --> 58:40.100 Well, also coming back to 58:40.100 --> 58:41.600 it, I mean, you know, you 58:41.600 --> 58:44.560 and I, and probably most of 58:44.560 --> 58:47.440 our listening audience, we 58:47.440 --> 58:49.060 will go and we'll see, oh, 58:49.140 --> 58:50.000 memory stick is a closed 58:50.000 --> 58:50.580 source product. 58:51.800 --> 58:53.040 I shouldn't buy that. 58:53.620 --> 58:54.820 But at the same time, you 58:54.820 --> 58:56.660 have my dad, my mom, who 58:56.660 --> 58:57.980 will say, oh, look, I can 58:57.980 --> 58:59.280 take this memory stick and 58:59.280 --> 59:01.680 pop it right into my TV, which 59:01.680 --> 59:04.460 is who Microsoft appeals to. 59:04.840 --> 59:06.620 Just point and rule. 59:06.620 --> 59:07.460 I mean, you don't have to 59:07.460 --> 59:08.200 think about anything. 59:08.500 --> 59:09.340 You just take the memory 59:09.340 --> 59:10.600 stick out, pop it into your 59:10.600 --> 59:11.960 TV, and your picture is 59:11.960 --> 59:13.040 there of your puppy, and 59:13.040 --> 59:15.080 you're like, you know, I 59:15.080 --> 59:15.680 don't want to know if you 59:15.680 --> 59:16.500 take pictures of your 59:16.500 --> 59:18.160 flowers and, you know, 59:18.240 --> 59:18.720 unedited. 59:19.000 --> 59:19.540 My wiener. 59:19.820 --> 59:20.900 Yeah, my wiener. 59:22.000 --> 59:23.840 Boy, I was going to go into 59:23.840 --> 59:25.400 that, but I decided to pass 59:25.400 --> 59:26.100 right over it. 59:26.100 --> 59:27.520 But thank you for entering 59:27.520 --> 59:28.020 that, you know. 59:28.020 --> 59:28.520 No problem. 59:28.600 --> 59:29.360 It's my job here. 59:29.440 --> 59:29.980 I've got to bring the 59:29.980 --> 59:30.340 show down. 59:30.980 --> 59:31.420 Yes, yes. 59:31.660 --> 59:32.740 Stank and his makeup and 59:32.740 --> 59:33.240 his miniseries. 59:35.260 --> 59:36.700 The executives of Sirius, 59:36.780 --> 59:37.260 you're telling me. 59:37.420 --> 59:38.340 Coming soon to a store 59:38.340 --> 59:38.740 near you. 59:39.360 --> 59:39.560 Yes. 59:39.880 --> 59:41.080 And that's what their 59:41.080 --> 59:42.020 audience is for. 59:42.500 --> 59:44.440 I mean, getting back to 59:44.440 --> 59:47.080 your IBM thing, you were 59:47.080 --> 59:49.080 talking about how IBM closed 59:49.080 --> 59:50.120 off everything and they went 59:50.120 --> 59:50.600 proprietary. 59:50.600 --> 59:52.800 proprietary, you sort of 59:52.800 --> 59:53.300 went into that. 59:53.400 --> 59:55.120 IBM was open at first, but 59:55.120 --> 59:56.040 they saw they were losing 59:56.040 --> 59:57.080 all of their market share 59:57.080 --> 59:59.180 and you were completely 59:59.180 --> 59:59.820 right about this. 59:59.880 --> 01:00:00.940 They tried to move to a 01:00:00.940 --> 01:00:02.100 closed proprietary source, 01:00:02.220 --> 01:00:04.760 which was PS2, not 01:00:04.760 --> 01:00:06.300 PlayStation 2, like 01:00:06.300 --> 01:00:07.220 Personal System 2 or 01:00:07.220 --> 01:00:07.480 something. 01:00:08.060 --> 01:00:08.920 And they moved to all 01:00:08.920 --> 01:00:10.380 these proprietary buses, 01:00:10.580 --> 01:00:11.280 proprietary this, 01:00:11.360 --> 01:00:12.880 proprietary that, operating 01:00:12.880 --> 01:00:14.200 system 2, which was 01:00:14.200 --> 01:00:16.600 proprietary itself, and it 01:00:16.600 --> 01:00:18.080 fell flat on its face 01:00:18.080 --> 01:00:19.160 because everyone used to 01:00:19.160 --> 01:00:19.780 the open cell. 01:00:19.940 --> 01:00:20.320 Right. 01:00:20.320 --> 01:00:22.180 And this is what I think 01:00:22.180 --> 01:00:23.260 Sony might be coming to. 01:00:23.360 --> 01:00:24.560 I hope this will work out 01:00:24.560 --> 01:00:25.420 because I still feel that 01:00:25.420 --> 01:00:26.780 they make very good 01:00:26.780 --> 01:00:28.440 hardware, but, you know, 01:00:28.520 --> 01:00:29.260 the standards aren't 01:00:29.260 --> 01:00:29.540 there. 01:00:29.940 --> 01:00:31.540 And I said that before 01:00:31.540 --> 01:00:33.680 and on the show, and I 01:00:33.680 --> 01:00:35.180 said it again today, and 01:00:35.180 --> 01:00:36.160 I'll repeat it. 01:00:36.660 --> 01:00:37.880 I'm not talking about 01:00:37.880 --> 01:00:38.480 their quality. 01:00:38.980 --> 01:00:39.760 Lucky said he had 01:00:39.760 --> 01:00:40.480 problems with them. 01:00:40.560 --> 01:00:41.780 You say you've had, that 01:00:41.780 --> 01:00:42.660 you've liked some of their 01:00:42.660 --> 01:00:42.960 stuff. 01:00:43.340 --> 01:00:44.500 I don't know either way. 01:00:44.600 --> 01:00:45.820 I've heard stories both 01:00:45.820 --> 01:00:47.580 ways, and that's, you 01:00:47.580 --> 01:00:48.360 know, people can make up 01:00:48.360 --> 01:00:49.660 their own minds and decide 01:00:49.660 --> 01:00:50.940 if they like the quality 01:00:50.940 --> 01:00:51.420 of it. 01:00:51.760 --> 01:00:52.680 I just don't want to even 01:00:52.680 --> 01:00:54.160 try and bother because I 01:00:54.160 --> 01:00:55.100 know that there are other 01:00:55.100 --> 01:00:56.500 good quality alternatives 01:00:56.500 --> 01:00:58.620 that are not closed source. 01:00:59.520 --> 01:01:00.700 And if I, and that's 01:01:00.700 --> 01:01:02.400 basically my summary, um, 01:01:02.820 --> 01:01:03.660 I don't mean to cut you out. 01:01:03.660 --> 01:01:04.640 No, I was playing, um, 01:01:04.860 --> 01:01:05.560 PlayStation 2. 01:01:06.380 --> 01:01:07.460 Grand Theft Auto, San Andreas, 01:01:07.540 --> 01:01:08.240 I was being a badass. 01:01:08.580 --> 01:01:09.940 I don't own a PlayStation. 01:01:10.900 --> 01:01:11.600 Oh, we won't hold that 01:01:11.600 --> 01:01:11.960 against you. 01:01:12.020 --> 01:01:12.200 Yeah. 01:01:12.800 --> 01:01:14.120 Although I, oh man, I 01:01:14.120 --> 01:01:14.800 should, I could admit 01:01:14.800 --> 01:01:15.720 something, but I'm not going 01:01:15.720 --> 01:01:17.220 to because, yeah, I just 01:01:17.220 --> 01:01:17.720 don't want to. 01:01:19.180 --> 01:01:21.440 Um, I own the alternative 01:01:21.440 --> 01:01:22.140 to the PlayStation. 01:01:22.360 --> 01:01:23.080 I'll leave it at that. 01:01:23.680 --> 01:01:24.040 Oh! 01:01:24.300 --> 01:01:25.700 I know, what a hypocrite 01:01:25.700 --> 01:01:26.280 that makes me. 01:01:26.720 --> 01:01:27.080 Oh! 01:01:27.600 --> 01:01:28.140 I, I, I... 01:01:28.140 --> 01:01:28.540 I'm out of here. 01:01:28.620 --> 01:01:28.900 Bye. 01:01:28.900 --> 01:01:28.960 Bye. 01:01:30.220 --> 01:01:31.020 I'm, of course, 01:01:31.020 --> 01:01:31.680 talking about the 01:01:31.680 --> 01:01:32.660 Nintendo GameCube. 01:01:34.080 --> 01:01:35.320 Anyway, um... 01:01:35.320 --> 01:01:36.280 Right, right, right. 01:01:36.600 --> 01:01:37.880 Uh, just to summarize, 01:01:38.260 --> 01:01:41.160 and, um, bottom line 01:01:41.160 --> 01:01:43.200 is that all the companies 01:01:43.200 --> 01:01:44.200 that we just talked about, 01:01:44.320 --> 01:01:45.460 the, here are Microsoft, 01:01:46.160 --> 01:01:48.120 Sony, Apple, IBM, 01:01:48.340 --> 01:01:49.140 and there are others, 01:01:49.180 --> 01:01:49.860 but those are like the 01:01:49.860 --> 01:01:50.660 big ones that jumped 01:01:50.660 --> 01:01:51.400 spring to mind. 01:01:51.580 --> 01:01:53.140 They're all closed 01:01:53.140 --> 01:01:54.840 source systems. 01:01:55.420 --> 01:01:56.760 Maybe not 100%. 01:01:56.760 --> 01:01:57.260 Like I said, 01:01:57.340 --> 01:01:58.520 Sony's got one product 01:01:58.520 --> 01:01:59.500 that burns to DVDs. 01:01:59.500 --> 01:02:00.520 They've got a couple now 01:02:00.520 --> 01:02:01.540 mini-DV. 01:02:01.600 --> 01:02:02.260 You know why they did 01:02:02.260 --> 01:02:02.860 the mini-DV? 01:02:02.980 --> 01:02:03.840 Because the market 01:02:03.840 --> 01:02:04.800 passed them by, 01:02:04.900 --> 01:02:06.000 and they had to do it, 01:02:06.160 --> 01:02:06.820 or they were going to 01:02:06.820 --> 01:02:07.820 lose out completely. 01:02:08.600 --> 01:02:09.780 They tried to force 01:02:09.780 --> 01:02:10.380 their standard, 01:02:10.560 --> 01:02:11.460 and consumers said, 01:02:11.580 --> 01:02:12.980 no, we're not doing it. 01:02:12.980 --> 01:02:13.560 You didn't get us 01:02:13.560 --> 01:02:14.120 on this one. 01:02:14.360 --> 01:02:15.780 So they had to respond, 01:02:16.360 --> 01:02:17.160 being reactive 01:02:17.160 --> 01:02:18.080 instead of proactive. 01:02:19.020 --> 01:02:20.840 So, all of these companies 01:02:20.840 --> 01:02:22.100 are closed source systems, 01:02:22.320 --> 01:02:23.420 and they, using these, 01:02:23.500 --> 01:02:24.340 all these are form, 01:02:24.420 --> 01:02:25.040 all these are, 01:02:25.300 --> 01:02:26.580 is forms of control. 01:02:26.800 --> 01:02:28.120 These are control mechanisms 01:02:28.120 --> 01:02:29.600 to make you come back 01:02:29.600 --> 01:02:31.440 and buy the other products. 01:02:31.520 --> 01:02:32.640 Like you said a minute ago, 01:02:32.960 --> 01:02:34.340 it's a very valid point 01:02:34.340 --> 01:02:35.840 that, like, for your, 01:02:35.960 --> 01:02:36.700 you know, my parents 01:02:36.700 --> 01:02:37.380 are the same way. 01:02:37.460 --> 01:02:38.100 You know, I had my, 01:02:38.180 --> 01:02:38.780 my father, 01:02:38.880 --> 01:02:39.900 I had him buy a Dell 01:02:39.900 --> 01:02:41.200 because I wanted to make sure 01:02:41.200 --> 01:02:42.040 he got support. 01:02:42.540 --> 01:02:44.120 You know, it's a Windows XP box. 01:02:44.180 --> 01:02:44.760 I wouldn't try, 01:02:44.820 --> 01:02:45.660 Windows XP box. 01:02:45.720 --> 01:02:46.660 I wouldn't try to force 01:02:46.660 --> 01:02:47.740 Linux onto him 01:02:47.740 --> 01:02:48.820 because it's not appropriate. 01:02:48.940 --> 01:02:49.900 It's not something that, 01:02:50.460 --> 01:02:51.440 you know, for everyone. 01:02:52.100 --> 01:02:52.460 But, 01:02:52.540 --> 01:02:54.440 that's also where 01:02:54.440 --> 01:02:55.420 you fall into the trap. 01:02:55.420 --> 01:02:56.460 You mentioned even 01:02:56.460 --> 01:02:57.120 in your example 01:02:57.120 --> 01:02:57.760 that they can take 01:02:57.760 --> 01:02:58.500 the memory card 01:02:58.500 --> 01:02:59.160 from the thing 01:02:59.160 --> 01:03:00.120 and put it in their 01:03:00.120 --> 01:03:00.860 Sony TV 01:03:00.860 --> 01:03:01.620 that's prepared 01:03:01.620 --> 01:03:02.380 and ready for the mini, 01:03:02.520 --> 01:03:02.900 for the, 01:03:02.900 --> 01:03:04.160 for the memory stick, 01:03:04.260 --> 01:03:04.500 I mean. 01:03:05.220 --> 01:03:05.540 You know, 01:03:05.680 --> 01:03:06.600 that's where they get you. 01:03:06.660 --> 01:03:07.740 They get you hooked 01:03:07.740 --> 01:03:08.420 like a drug 01:03:08.420 --> 01:03:09.560 and try to make it too easy. 01:03:09.980 --> 01:03:11.100 Yes, there's a market for that. 01:03:11.160 --> 01:03:12.380 There's nothing wrong with that. 01:03:12.580 --> 01:03:13.560 But when you center 01:03:13.560 --> 01:03:15.300 your whole business structure 01:03:15.300 --> 01:03:16.400 around that, 01:03:17.040 --> 01:03:18.700 that's a closed source system, 01:03:18.780 --> 01:03:19.440 and generally, 01:03:19.700 --> 01:03:20.800 I'm against that. 01:03:20.880 --> 01:03:21.740 I try to support 01:03:21.740 --> 01:03:23.840 open source systems. 01:03:23.840 --> 01:03:24.280 So, 01:03:25.160 --> 01:03:26.640 I guess all we can do here, 01:03:26.920 --> 01:03:27.280 Havoc, 01:03:27.420 --> 01:03:27.720 is, 01:03:27.820 --> 01:03:28.000 you know, 01:03:28.060 --> 01:03:28.560 I like you 01:03:28.560 --> 01:03:30.580 and you've had a lot of emails 01:03:30.580 --> 01:03:31.780 and participation, 01:03:32.140 --> 01:03:33.140 but I guess we just have to 01:03:33.140 --> 01:03:33.880 agree to disagree. 01:03:34.240 --> 01:03:35.740 I support open source systems, 01:03:35.800 --> 01:03:36.580 whether it's software, 01:03:37.240 --> 01:03:38.000 whether it's hardware, 01:03:38.320 --> 01:03:39.580 whether it's just adhering 01:03:39.580 --> 01:03:40.940 to industry standards, 01:03:41.660 --> 01:03:42.880 or even supporting them. 01:03:43.480 --> 01:03:43.720 You know, 01:03:43.920 --> 01:03:45.660 have your memory stick slot 01:03:45.660 --> 01:03:47.960 also support SD, 01:03:48.080 --> 01:03:49.200 and I wouldn't have a problem 01:03:49.200 --> 01:03:49.660 with that. 01:03:50.120 --> 01:03:51.660 I'd be perfectly fine 01:03:51.660 --> 01:03:52.360 with that. 01:03:52.360 --> 01:03:55.260 But that's not what they do. 01:03:56.040 --> 01:03:57.040 Compact flash, man. 01:03:57.100 --> 01:03:58.040 That's really the way to go. 01:03:58.160 --> 01:03:58.640 Yeah, right? 01:03:59.460 --> 01:03:59.820 Actually, 01:03:59.920 --> 01:04:00.520 there are still 01:04:00.520 --> 01:04:01.820 some pretty good uses for that, 01:04:01.900 --> 01:04:02.040 but, 01:04:02.740 --> 01:04:03.280 um, 01:04:04.040 --> 01:04:05.000 let's close off 01:04:05.000 --> 01:04:05.900 with a lighter, 01:04:05.980 --> 01:04:07.440 lighter-hearted email here. 01:04:07.880 --> 01:04:08.320 And man, 01:04:08.400 --> 01:04:08.720 we've got, 01:04:08.880 --> 01:04:09.660 we're over an hour, 01:04:09.780 --> 01:04:10.200 and we're not even 01:04:10.200 --> 01:04:11.240 out of the email here. 01:04:12.000 --> 01:04:12.360 Um, 01:04:12.400 --> 01:04:13.380 last email is from 01:04:13.380 --> 01:04:14.320 System Shocker. 01:04:14.420 --> 01:04:14.760 Now, wait a minute, 01:04:14.780 --> 01:04:15.960 do we do a superhero sound 01:04:15.960 --> 01:04:16.520 for this one, too? 01:04:16.540 --> 01:04:17.220 Do we do an electricity? 01:04:18.060 --> 01:04:19.300 System Shocker! 01:04:19.300 --> 01:04:21.940 Please air this, 01:04:22.100 --> 01:04:22.200 Stank, 01:04:22.280 --> 01:04:23.320 because this stuff 01:04:23.320 --> 01:04:24.080 is cool. 01:04:24.560 --> 01:04:25.340 On the last show, 01:04:25.420 --> 01:04:26.000 you read an email 01:04:26.000 --> 01:04:27.400 from OOB. 01:04:27.960 --> 01:04:28.220 Okay, 01:04:28.360 --> 01:04:28.680 I don't, 01:04:28.800 --> 01:04:29.140 I've got, 01:04:29.260 --> 01:04:29.700 I'm probably 01:04:29.700 --> 01:04:30.700 screwing this up again. 01:04:31.260 --> 01:04:31.960 He's telling me 01:04:31.960 --> 01:04:32.720 that I screwed it up, 01:04:32.740 --> 01:04:33.160 and I'm probably 01:04:33.160 --> 01:04:34.140 screwing it up by 01:04:34.140 --> 01:04:35.680 Oob. 01:04:35.740 --> 01:04:36.600 I'm gonna say Oob. 01:04:37.300 --> 01:04:37.860 He was from 01:04:37.860 --> 01:04:38.620 South Africa. 01:04:38.620 --> 01:04:39.360 I have a question 01:04:39.360 --> 01:04:39.980 for the Stank 01:04:39.980 --> 01:04:41.120 D-O-W-G, 01:04:41.280 --> 01:04:41.800 which of course 01:04:41.800 --> 01:04:42.940 is D-A-W-G, 01:04:43.040 --> 01:04:43.340 but I guess 01:04:43.340 --> 01:04:44.180 he's taking a jab 01:04:44.180 --> 01:04:44.560 at me. 01:04:45.360 --> 01:04:45.820 Do you watch 01:04:45.820 --> 01:04:46.980 Dragon Ball Z, 01:04:47.280 --> 01:04:47.900 G-T? 01:04:48.460 --> 01:04:49.100 It's an anime, 01:04:49.240 --> 01:04:49.800 no I don't. 01:04:50.160 --> 01:04:51.000 It's an anime show 01:04:51.000 --> 01:04:52.060 like cartoons from Japan. 01:04:52.900 --> 01:04:54.300 Oob is a character. 01:04:55.020 --> 01:04:55.760 It so happens 01:04:55.760 --> 01:04:56.420 that this guy 01:04:56.420 --> 01:04:57.260 is from Africa, 01:04:57.400 --> 01:04:58.220 just like the guy 01:04:58.220 --> 01:04:59.120 that emailed you. 01:04:59.660 --> 01:05:00.980 Boo is evil, 01:05:01.180 --> 01:05:02.540 and Oob is good. 01:05:03.140 --> 01:05:03.500 Nice. 01:05:03.560 --> 01:05:03.980 I think you should 01:05:03.980 --> 01:05:04.740 read this on the air. 01:05:04.820 --> 01:05:05.340 You messed up 01:05:05.340 --> 01:05:06.080 that guy's name, 01:05:06.080 --> 01:05:06.600 and the listeners 01:05:06.600 --> 01:05:07.800 have a right, 01:05:08.100 --> 01:05:08.960 as in Orbel and 01:05:08.960 --> 01:05:09.600 Wilbur Wright, 01:05:10.580 --> 01:05:11.900 the Wright brothers, 01:05:12.000 --> 01:05:12.680 to know the truth. 01:05:14.700 --> 01:05:15.100 So, 01:05:15.840 --> 01:05:16.780 far be it from me 01:05:16.780 --> 01:05:17.800 to keep the truth 01:05:17.800 --> 01:05:18.540 from the masses, 01:05:18.700 --> 01:05:19.260 from the listeners. 01:05:19.760 --> 01:05:20.760 I don't want to be the one, 01:05:20.820 --> 01:05:21.600 so I am freeing 01:05:21.600 --> 01:05:22.360 this information 01:05:22.360 --> 01:05:24.040 as requested 01:05:24.040 --> 01:05:25.060 by System Shocker, 01:05:25.120 --> 01:05:25.960 so do with that 01:05:25.960 --> 01:05:27.920 as you will. 01:05:28.760 --> 01:05:29.620 And System Shocker, 01:05:29.680 --> 01:05:30.260 just so you know, 01:05:30.360 --> 01:05:30.920 I do watch 01:05:30.920 --> 01:05:32.100 Dragon Ball Z and G-T. 01:05:32.440 --> 01:05:33.760 I know what it is, 01:05:33.760 --> 01:05:34.880 but I don't watch it. 01:05:35.180 --> 01:05:35.400 I mean, 01:05:35.520 --> 01:05:36.580 I know my brother-law 01:05:36.580 --> 01:05:37.260 watches it, 01:05:37.320 --> 01:05:38.300 but I didn't... 01:05:38.300 --> 01:05:38.860 I'm sure there's 01:05:38.860 --> 01:05:39.500 a couple of anime 01:05:39.500 --> 01:05:40.400 sounds out in the audience 01:05:40.400 --> 01:05:40.660 going, 01:05:40.760 --> 01:05:41.020 oh! 01:05:42.340 --> 01:05:43.600 I like Cowboy Bebop. 01:05:43.740 --> 01:05:44.620 Cowboy Bebop's awesome, 01:05:44.720 --> 01:05:45.260 but I couldn't get 01:05:45.260 --> 01:05:45.860 the Dragon Ball Z. 01:05:45.900 --> 01:05:46.520 All the characters 01:05:46.520 --> 01:05:47.300 look alike. 01:05:47.380 --> 01:05:47.800 There's a bunch of 01:05:47.800 --> 01:05:48.580 blonde guys running 01:05:48.580 --> 01:05:49.160 around on the screen. 01:05:49.220 --> 01:05:49.940 I couldn't keep up. 01:05:50.940 --> 01:05:51.780 I'm too old, 01:05:51.840 --> 01:05:52.100 I guess. 01:05:52.120 --> 01:05:53.020 I couldn't figure out. 01:05:55.300 --> 01:05:55.700 All right, 01:05:55.740 --> 01:05:56.800 that's it. 01:05:57.020 --> 01:05:57.660 Let me see. 01:05:57.720 --> 01:05:58.760 How are we doing here? 01:05:58.820 --> 01:05:59.360 We're going to have to 01:05:59.360 --> 01:06:01.540 really bust it here. 01:06:02.100 --> 01:06:02.740 I'm going to do 01:06:02.740 --> 01:06:03.580 a very quick 01:06:03.580 --> 01:06:04.700 show and tell, 01:06:04.700 --> 01:06:06.560 if I may start. 01:06:06.620 --> 01:06:07.040 Is that cool? 01:06:07.480 --> 01:06:08.180 That's fine with me. 01:06:08.720 --> 01:06:10.020 I'll make this quick. 01:06:10.860 --> 01:06:11.440 I was going to do 01:06:11.440 --> 01:06:12.380 a 2,600... 01:06:12.380 --> 01:06:12.520 You know, 01:06:12.560 --> 01:06:13.080 our meetings were 01:06:13.080 --> 01:06:13.680 last week. 01:06:14.220 --> 01:06:15.000 Give a little bit 01:06:15.000 --> 01:06:15.440 of recap. 01:06:16.580 --> 01:06:17.660 We had some very 01:06:17.660 --> 01:06:18.420 cool presenters 01:06:18.420 --> 01:06:19.140 at our meeting, 01:06:19.700 --> 01:06:20.580 and we had a very 01:06:20.580 --> 01:06:21.180 large meeting. 01:06:21.260 --> 01:06:21.840 I think it might have 01:06:21.840 --> 01:06:22.360 been upwards of 01:06:22.360 --> 01:06:23.200 20 people there 01:06:23.200 --> 01:06:23.700 this time, 01:06:23.760 --> 01:06:24.440 which is very, 01:06:24.580 --> 01:06:25.080 very cool, 01:06:25.200 --> 01:06:25.900 very good turnout. 01:06:25.900 --> 01:06:27.340 And that was 01:06:27.340 --> 01:06:27.960 without some 01:06:27.960 --> 01:06:28.540 regulars that 01:06:28.540 --> 01:06:29.640 did not show up. 01:06:29.780 --> 01:06:30.720 So some new 01:06:30.720 --> 01:06:31.420 people showed up, 01:06:31.480 --> 01:06:31.880 which was really 01:06:31.880 --> 01:06:32.180 cool. 01:06:32.600 --> 01:06:34.160 And actually, 01:06:34.460 --> 01:06:35.140 one of the new 01:06:35.140 --> 01:06:35.780 people that showed 01:06:35.780 --> 01:06:36.500 up was Mark 01:06:36.500 --> 01:06:37.020 from the Mark 01:06:37.020 --> 01:06:37.580 and Daryl show 01:06:37.580 --> 01:06:38.060 right here on 01:06:38.060 --> 01:06:38.600 Rant Radio, 01:06:39.340 --> 01:06:40.160 who came, 01:06:40.260 --> 01:06:40.860 and not only did 01:06:40.860 --> 01:06:41.400 he show up to 01:06:41.400 --> 01:06:41.820 the meeting for 01:06:41.820 --> 01:06:42.320 the first time, 01:06:42.360 --> 01:06:43.040 but gave a 01:06:43.040 --> 01:06:43.940 presentation as 01:06:43.940 --> 01:06:44.260 well. 01:06:44.460 --> 01:06:45.500 So that was 01:06:45.500 --> 01:06:46.380 very cool of him. 01:06:46.520 --> 01:06:47.020 So make sure 01:06:47.020 --> 01:06:47.740 you go check out 01:06:47.740 --> 01:06:48.200 the Mark and 01:06:48.200 --> 01:06:50.500 Daryl show on 01:06:50.500 --> 01:06:51.500 Monday nights, 01:06:51.620 --> 01:06:51.940 I believe, 01:06:52.040 --> 01:06:52.500 on Rant Radio. 01:06:52.560 --> 01:06:52.820 I'm sorry, 01:06:52.940 --> 01:06:53.680 I always listen to 01:06:53.680 --> 01:06:54.340 the rerun, 01:06:54.340 --> 01:06:55.600 the repeat 01:06:55.600 --> 01:06:56.860 on Monday nights. 01:06:57.140 --> 01:06:58.060 The regular show 01:06:58.060 --> 01:06:58.700 I think is 01:06:58.700 --> 01:06:59.700 Sunday, 01:07:00.700 --> 01:07:01.640 Sunday nights. 01:07:01.740 --> 01:07:02.180 I may have that 01:07:02.180 --> 01:07:02.520 messed up, 01:07:02.580 --> 01:07:03.620 but on RantRadio.com 01:07:03.620 --> 01:07:04.280 you can definitely 01:07:04.280 --> 01:07:04.920 find out the 01:07:04.920 --> 01:07:05.680 schedule of that. 01:07:07.320 --> 01:07:08.020 And he came and 01:07:08.020 --> 01:07:08.640 gave a presentation 01:07:08.640 --> 01:07:09.620 which was really, 01:07:09.800 --> 01:07:10.300 really cool. 01:07:10.440 --> 01:07:11.240 Very good stuff. 01:07:12.080 --> 01:07:12.920 We also had 01:07:12.920 --> 01:07:13.940 a special guest. 01:07:14.080 --> 01:07:14.460 We had 01:07:14.460 --> 01:07:15.940 Rim from 01:07:15.940 --> 01:07:16.260 the Ghetto 01:07:16.260 --> 01:07:17.120 Hacker showed up 01:07:17.120 --> 01:07:18.400 and we kind of 01:07:18.400 --> 01:07:19.560 sat and talked 01:07:19.560 --> 01:07:20.020 for a while, 01:07:20.120 --> 01:07:20.920 got some good 01:07:20.920 --> 01:07:21.920 information from him. 01:07:22.540 --> 01:07:23.160 So that was 01:07:23.160 --> 01:07:23.920 very cool to have 01:07:23.920 --> 01:07:24.880 some new people 01:07:24.880 --> 01:07:25.360 show up to the 01:07:25.360 --> 01:07:26.020 meeting that 01:07:26.020 --> 01:07:26.900 brought some 01:07:26.900 --> 01:07:28.160 interesting viewpoints 01:07:28.160 --> 01:07:28.520 around. 01:07:29.980 --> 01:07:30.380 And, 01:07:30.580 --> 01:07:31.220 boy, 01:07:31.660 --> 01:07:32.220 actually I've got 01:07:32.220 --> 01:07:32.820 a lot of show 01:07:32.820 --> 01:07:33.120 and tell. 01:07:33.200 --> 01:07:33.660 Let me see. 01:07:35.120 --> 01:07:35.860 I'm a terrorist. 01:07:35.980 --> 01:07:36.520 Have you heard that? 01:07:36.580 --> 01:07:37.740 That's a good one. 01:07:38.520 --> 01:07:39.240 According to 01:07:39.240 --> 01:07:40.320 Ara Tremblay 01:07:40.320 --> 01:07:41.560 from Technology 01:07:41.560 --> 01:07:41.820 Decisions... 01:07:41.820 --> 01:07:41.940 Oh, I'm not 01:07:41.940 --> 01:07:42.120 hearing with you. 01:07:42.160 --> 01:07:42.800 I just realized 01:07:42.800 --> 01:07:43.120 that. 01:07:43.240 --> 01:07:44.260 Oh, damn it. 01:07:44.460 --> 01:07:44.980 Yeah, I'm, 01:07:45.120 --> 01:07:45.700 well, yeah, 01:07:45.740 --> 01:07:46.060 you're an 01:07:46.060 --> 01:07:46.880 accomplice, I guess. 01:07:47.300 --> 01:07:48.120 There goes my 01:07:48.120 --> 01:07:48.700 FBI file. 01:07:48.860 --> 01:07:49.680 Yeah, there you go. 01:07:50.320 --> 01:07:51.000 There you go. 01:07:51.200 --> 01:07:51.580 Ratchet, 01:07:51.760 --> 01:07:52.080 comma, 01:07:52.260 --> 01:07:52.680 black. 01:07:52.680 --> 01:07:54.020 You are now 01:07:54.020 --> 01:07:54.800 in the files. 01:07:56.060 --> 01:07:58.300 This gentleman, 01:07:58.740 --> 01:08:00.000 this gentleman 01:08:00.000 --> 01:08:00.820 wrote an article, 01:08:01.780 --> 01:08:03.680 technologydecisions.com, 01:08:03.740 --> 01:08:04.340 wrote an article 01:08:04.340 --> 01:08:07.040 about how we're 01:08:07.040 --> 01:08:07.880 all worried about 01:08:07.880 --> 01:08:08.920 terrorists that are 01:08:08.920 --> 01:08:10.400 overseas and flying 01:08:10.400 --> 01:08:11.440 planes into buildings 01:08:11.440 --> 01:08:12.640 when we really 01:08:12.640 --> 01:08:13.380 should be focused 01:08:13.380 --> 01:08:14.540 on the terrorists 01:08:14.540 --> 01:08:15.480 that are training 01:08:15.480 --> 01:08:16.500 within our own 01:08:16.500 --> 01:08:17.780 borders, such as 01:08:17.780 --> 01:08:19.040 myself, apparently. 01:08:19.040 --> 01:08:20.620 and we have 01:08:20.620 --> 01:08:21.620 training and 01:08:21.620 --> 01:08:22.780 hacker conventions 01:08:22.780 --> 01:08:23.720 and teaching. 01:08:25.320 --> 01:08:26.160 I'm not going to 01:08:26.160 --> 01:08:26.860 spend time on 01:08:26.860 --> 01:08:27.020 this. 01:08:27.100 --> 01:08:27.520 You can go to 01:08:27.520 --> 01:08:28.060 the forums, 01:08:28.180 --> 01:08:29.560 forums.binrev.com, 01:08:30.000 --> 01:08:30.520 and there's a 01:08:30.520 --> 01:08:31.000 thread in there 01:08:31.000 --> 01:08:31.620 somewhere where 01:08:31.620 --> 01:08:32.220 we've talked about 01:08:32.220 --> 01:08:33.260 this, but you 01:08:33.260 --> 01:08:33.480 know what? 01:08:33.600 --> 01:08:34.360 I don't think it's 01:08:34.360 --> 01:08:35.040 really worth my 01:08:35.040 --> 01:08:35.620 time to even 01:08:35.620 --> 01:08:36.240 address this. 01:08:36.320 --> 01:08:36.820 This is just 01:08:36.820 --> 01:08:38.800 ignorance by the 01:08:38.800 --> 01:08:39.880 absolute definition 01:08:39.880 --> 01:08:40.560 of the word 01:08:40.560 --> 01:08:42.380 ignorance, not as 01:08:42.380 --> 01:08:42.880 an insult. 01:08:42.880 --> 01:08:44.560 and I'm going 01:08:44.560 --> 01:08:45.380 to just go on. 01:08:46.680 --> 01:08:47.060 It's a little 01:08:47.060 --> 01:08:47.660 hacking into 01:08:47.660 --> 01:08:48.320 thread by me. 01:08:48.400 --> 01:08:48.760 I forget what 01:08:48.760 --> 01:08:49.200 I call it. 01:08:49.400 --> 01:08:50.100 Yeah, it's, 01:08:50.400 --> 01:08:50.860 um, yeah. 01:08:52.120 --> 01:08:53.920 Um, also, I 01:08:53.920 --> 01:08:54.740 am, I'm trying, 01:08:54.840 --> 01:08:55.560 I'm trying my 01:08:55.560 --> 01:08:57.240 best to match 01:08:57.240 --> 01:08:59.020 Lucky 225's 01:08:59.020 --> 01:08:59.960 media horridness. 01:09:01.060 --> 01:09:02.220 Now, boy, that 01:09:02.220 --> 01:09:02.800 is such a cool 01:09:02.800 --> 01:09:03.500 word to make up. 01:09:03.820 --> 01:09:04.260 Horridness. 01:09:04.980 --> 01:09:06.020 Media horridness. 01:09:06.060 --> 01:09:06.560 That's a great 01:09:06.560 --> 01:09:06.820 word. 01:09:07.380 --> 01:09:08.500 Um, I'm going 01:09:08.500 --> 01:09:09.540 to be on an 01:09:09.540 --> 01:09:10.460 upcoming episode 01:09:10.460 --> 01:09:11.960 of a show on 01:09:11.960 --> 01:09:12.620 Animal Planet 01:09:12.620 --> 01:09:13.100 that's called 01:09:13.100 --> 01:09:13.880 World's Most 01:09:13.880 --> 01:09:14.600 Extreme. 01:09:15.960 --> 01:09:16.580 Funny they 01:09:16.580 --> 01:09:17.460 would have a 01:09:17.460 --> 01:09:18.340 terrorist on a 01:09:18.340 --> 01:09:20.140 educational channel, 01:09:20.200 --> 01:09:20.600 but anyway. 01:09:21.320 --> 01:09:21.960 Don't tell them 01:09:21.960 --> 01:09:22.180 that. 01:09:22.360 --> 01:09:22.820 They'll take you 01:09:22.820 --> 01:09:23.040 down. 01:09:23.380 --> 01:09:24.040 Yeah, right. 01:09:24.640 --> 01:09:25.700 Um, I don't 01:09:25.700 --> 01:09:26.320 know when it's 01:09:26.320 --> 01:09:27.020 going to air yet, 01:09:27.240 --> 01:09:28.100 but, um, I 01:09:28.100 --> 01:09:28.740 got the proof 01:09:28.740 --> 01:09:29.600 copy today in 01:09:29.600 --> 01:09:30.140 the mail from 01:09:30.140 --> 01:09:31.820 them, um, and 01:09:31.820 --> 01:09:33.140 I'm, I gotta say, 01:09:33.240 --> 01:09:33.720 I think they did 01:09:33.720 --> 01:09:34.360 a good job. 01:09:34.440 --> 01:09:35.220 They differentiated 01:09:35.220 --> 01:09:35.800 good hackers, 01:09:35.920 --> 01:09:36.460 bad hackers. 01:09:36.580 --> 01:09:37.180 They played the 01:09:37.180 --> 01:09:37.980 angle well, which 01:09:37.980 --> 01:09:38.680 I was concerned 01:09:38.680 --> 01:09:39.900 with, but I 01:09:39.900 --> 01:09:40.480 spoke to the 01:09:40.480 --> 01:09:41.360 producer when they 01:09:41.360 --> 01:09:41.820 were filming. 01:09:41.820 --> 01:09:42.780 I explained to 01:09:42.780 --> 01:09:44.440 them that my 01:09:44.440 --> 01:09:45.220 involvement, this 01:09:45.220 --> 01:09:45.620 is what I 01:09:45.620 --> 01:09:46.340 expected, and this 01:09:46.340 --> 01:09:46.980 is what I didn't 01:09:46.980 --> 01:09:48.360 want to see, and, 01:09:48.440 --> 01:09:49.480 um, they were, they 01:09:49.480 --> 01:09:50.000 were very 01:09:50.000 --> 01:09:50.820 accommodating, it 01:09:50.820 --> 01:09:51.080 seemed. 01:09:51.180 --> 01:09:51.620 I was still 01:09:51.620 --> 01:09:53.580 worried, but, uh, 01:09:53.580 --> 01:09:54.580 as it turns out, it 01:09:54.580 --> 01:09:55.680 came out pretty good. 01:09:55.760 --> 01:09:56.660 I'm very comfortable 01:09:56.660 --> 01:09:57.180 with the way it 01:09:57.180 --> 01:09:57.660 came out. 01:09:58.160 --> 01:09:58.940 Um, and it's 01:09:58.940 --> 01:09:59.760 also kind of... 01:09:59.760 --> 01:10:01.760 Yeah, it's world's 01:10:01.760 --> 01:10:02.860 most extreme, and it's 01:10:02.860 --> 01:10:04.520 going to be, um, it 01:10:04.520 --> 01:10:05.280 hasn't aired yet, I 01:10:05.280 --> 01:10:05.740 don't believe, it's 01:10:05.740 --> 01:10:06.140 going to be sometime 01:10:06.140 --> 01:10:08.380 early 2005, so when I 01:10:08.380 --> 01:10:09.140 get more information 01:10:09.140 --> 01:10:09.700 on the air date, I 01:10:09.700 --> 01:10:10.780 will let everyone 01:10:10.780 --> 01:10:11.060 know. 01:10:11.280 --> 01:10:11.900 It's also, there's 01:10:11.900 --> 01:10:12.720 kind of a cool, funny 01:10:12.720 --> 01:10:14.820 thing, is I told them 01:10:14.820 --> 01:10:15.540 they can use my real 01:10:15.540 --> 01:10:16.420 name, that's not a 01:10:16.420 --> 01:10:17.120 problem, I don't hide 01:10:17.120 --> 01:10:18.220 that, you know, people 01:10:18.220 --> 01:10:19.360 know, I'm not going to 01:10:19.360 --> 01:10:20.060 drop it here on the 01:10:20.060 --> 01:10:20.820 show, I'm not the 01:10:20.820 --> 01:10:21.580 doc dropper or 01:10:21.580 --> 01:10:22.260 anything, but, you 01:10:22.260 --> 01:10:23.460 know, it's not hard to 01:10:23.460 --> 01:10:24.140 find if you look a 01:10:24.140 --> 01:10:25.080 little bit, but I 01:10:25.080 --> 01:10:25.620 told them they could 01:10:25.620 --> 01:10:26.600 use it, but I would 01:10:26.600 --> 01:10:27.300 prefer that they 01:10:27.300 --> 01:10:27.600 didn't. 01:10:27.600 --> 01:10:28.280 I would prefer to 01:10:28.280 --> 01:10:29.740 go by my handle, and 01:10:29.740 --> 01:10:30.160 they did. 01:10:30.540 --> 01:10:31.300 They listed me, it was 01:10:31.300 --> 01:10:32.260 really kind of funny 01:10:32.260 --> 01:10:34.520 to hear this voiceover 01:10:34.520 --> 01:10:35.740 guy with the perfect 01:10:35.740 --> 01:10:37.420 radio announcer voice 01:10:37.420 --> 01:10:39.420 saying Stank Dog on 01:10:39.420 --> 01:10:40.200 the show, that was 01:10:40.200 --> 01:10:41.100 kind of funny sounding, 01:10:41.560 --> 01:10:42.320 and even in the 01:10:42.320 --> 01:10:43.220 credits rolling at the 01:10:43.220 --> 01:10:45.160 very end, had Stank 01:10:45.160 --> 01:10:45.980 Dog listed in it, 01:10:46.020 --> 01:10:47.200 which just made me 01:10:47.200 --> 01:10:48.220 laugh when I saw it. 01:10:48.900 --> 01:10:49.440 Here is, had a 01:10:49.440 --> 01:10:50.160 radio announcer 01:10:50.160 --> 01:10:51.360 Stank Dog. 01:10:51.840 --> 01:10:52.220 Stank Dog. 01:10:53.640 --> 01:10:55.520 Um, and let's see, 01:10:55.600 --> 01:10:56.340 what else, what else, 01:10:56.340 --> 01:10:57.340 uh, oh, I'm 01:10:57.600 --> 01:10:59.180 not gonna, yeah, since 01:10:59.180 --> 01:10:59.780 we're running low on 01:10:59.780 --> 01:11:00.440 time, I'm gonna make 01:11:00.440 --> 01:11:01.980 this a short rant, but 01:11:01.980 --> 01:11:03.020 it's still the same 01:11:03.020 --> 01:11:04.140 topic as the other 01:11:04.140 --> 01:11:04.900 rants, and that's 01:11:04.900 --> 01:11:06.100 proprietary systems. 01:11:06.380 --> 01:11:08.580 I have a Motorola, uh, 01:11:08.580 --> 01:11:09.960 V600 phone, I was 01:11:09.960 --> 01:11:10.720 really looking forward 01:11:10.720 --> 01:11:11.620 to this being released 01:11:11.620 --> 01:11:12.420 when it finally came 01:11:12.420 --> 01:11:13.740 out, I switched over 01:11:13.740 --> 01:11:14.580 to it, I wanted to 01:11:14.580 --> 01:11:15.240 finally have the 01:11:15.240 --> 01:11:16.080 Bluetooth that I could 01:11:16.080 --> 01:11:17.020 work with my laptop. 01:11:18.080 --> 01:11:19.760 The short version is, 01:11:20.340 --> 01:11:21.800 I clearly told them 01:11:21.800 --> 01:11:22.700 up front what I was 01:11:22.700 --> 01:11:23.100 expecting. 01:11:23.240 --> 01:11:23.860 Here's what I want to 01:11:23.860 --> 01:11:24.440 do with the phone. 01:11:24.440 --> 01:11:25.740 I want to be able to 01:11:25.740 --> 01:11:27.360 import and export, I 01:11:27.360 --> 01:11:27.920 don't care if it's a 01:11:27.920 --> 01:11:29.000 comma-separated value, 01:11:29.140 --> 01:11:30.700 CSV file, some 01:11:30.700 --> 01:11:32.320 proprietary format, uh, 01:11:32.360 --> 01:11:33.800 an access database, I 01:11:33.800 --> 01:11:34.860 don't care what file 01:11:34.860 --> 01:11:36.260 type it is, but I 01:11:36.260 --> 01:11:37.000 want to be able to 01:11:37.000 --> 01:11:38.000 import and export my 01:11:38.000 --> 01:11:39.020 phone book somehow 01:11:39.020 --> 01:11:40.460 using the Bluetooth. 01:11:41.040 --> 01:11:42.100 It's also a camera 01:11:42.100 --> 01:11:42.940 phone, I want it to be 01:11:42.940 --> 01:11:44.040 able to drag and drop 01:11:44.040 --> 01:11:45.540 files or copy files 01:11:45.540 --> 01:11:46.340 somehow back and 01:11:46.340 --> 01:11:47.420 forth with that 01:11:47.420 --> 01:11:48.120 Bluetooth to my 01:11:48.120 --> 01:11:49.000 laptop with a 01:11:49.000 --> 01:11:49.760 Bluetooth adapter. 01:11:49.760 --> 01:11:51.280 I said, I'm not paying 01:11:51.280 --> 01:11:52.500 anything extra for a 01:11:52.500 --> 01:11:53.480 cable, for any 01:11:53.480 --> 01:11:54.460 software, I don't need 01:11:54.460 --> 01:11:55.420 a cable, you know, 01:11:55.460 --> 01:11:56.160 it's built in, it's 01:11:56.160 --> 01:11:56.480 Bluetooth. 01:11:56.820 --> 01:11:57.560 If it adheres to 01:11:57.560 --> 01:11:58.340 standards, I shouldn't 01:11:58.340 --> 01:11:59.060 need any special 01:11:59.060 --> 01:12:01.280 software, and I'm not 01:12:01.280 --> 01:12:01.960 going to pay for data 01:12:01.960 --> 01:12:02.400 services. 01:12:02.520 --> 01:12:03.280 I don't want to email 01:12:03.280 --> 01:12:04.320 myself the pictures and 01:12:04.320 --> 01:12:06.000 pay per megabyte for 01:12:06.000 --> 01:12:07.240 it, I don't want any of 01:12:07.240 --> 01:12:07.400 that. 01:12:07.500 --> 01:12:08.960 Can I use this phone to 01:12:08.960 --> 01:12:09.760 copy it to the laptop? 01:12:10.320 --> 01:12:11.500 And they told me flat 01:12:11.500 --> 01:12:12.720 out that yes, that is 01:12:12.720 --> 01:12:13.920 absolutely all you have 01:12:13.920 --> 01:12:14.280 to do. 01:12:14.540 --> 01:12:16.240 I bought the phone, they 01:12:16.240 --> 01:12:17.400 lied to me, that's the 01:12:17.400 --> 01:12:19.580 short version, so I 01:12:19.580 --> 01:12:20.540 finally got the truth 01:12:20.540 --> 01:12:21.280 from Motorola tech 01:12:21.280 --> 01:12:22.280 support, luckily, but 01:12:22.280 --> 01:12:23.840 by the time it took me 01:12:23.840 --> 01:12:25.120 they don't want to, you 01:12:25.120 --> 01:12:26.180 know what, all I'm going 01:12:26.180 --> 01:12:27.020 to say with this one 01:12:27.020 --> 01:12:29.220 very vaguely, and tiptoe 01:12:29.220 --> 01:12:31.300 along this gray line, I 01:12:31.300 --> 01:12:33.440 understand what drives 01:12:33.440 --> 01:12:34.480 people to piracy. 01:12:35.740 --> 01:12:36.140 Completely. 01:12:37.560 --> 01:12:38.720 So, that's my show 01:12:38.720 --> 01:12:39.080 and tell. 01:12:39.140 --> 01:12:39.940 Web Radio does not 01:12:39.940 --> 01:12:40.920 promote piracy in any 01:12:40.920 --> 01:12:41.740 way, shape, or form. 01:12:42.060 --> 01:12:42.780 Always drink your milk, 01:12:42.860 --> 01:12:44.140 kids, and do good 01:12:44.140 --> 01:12:44.420 stuff. 01:12:44.560 --> 01:12:45.620 Take your vitamins, and 01:12:45.620 --> 01:12:46.900 all you hulkamaniacs out 01:12:46.900 --> 01:12:47.220 there. 01:12:47.400 --> 01:12:48.020 Oh, my God. 01:12:49.020 --> 01:12:50.180 That's it for me, because 01:12:50.180 --> 01:12:51.720 we're running real long 01:12:51.720 --> 01:12:51.900 here. 01:12:52.000 --> 01:12:53.460 Why don't, well, we got a 01:12:53.460 --> 01:12:54.300 little bit of time, don't 01:12:54.300 --> 01:12:55.020 rush or anything. 01:12:55.120 --> 01:12:55.860 What kind of stuff have 01:12:55.860 --> 01:12:57.320 you been working on 01:12:57.320 --> 01:12:57.600 lately? 01:12:58.100 --> 01:12:59.140 Well, as much as used in 01:12:59.140 --> 01:13:00.360 doing stuff that I 01:13:00.360 --> 01:13:00.800 haven't. 01:13:01.800 --> 01:13:02.440 Not true. 01:13:02.660 --> 01:13:02.740 I've been working on the 01:13:02.740 --> 01:13:03.780 website again, which is, 01:13:03.980 --> 01:13:04.500 for those of you who 01:13:04.500 --> 01:13:05.800 don't know, I have two, I 01:13:05.800 --> 01:13:06.980 have blackratchet.org, 01:13:07.360 --> 01:13:08.380 which I've been working on 01:13:08.380 --> 01:13:10.560 an asterisk out on for my, 01:13:11.240 --> 01:13:12.440 a bunch of phones that I 01:13:12.440 --> 01:13:13.500 bought, they're old Cisco 01:13:13.500 --> 01:13:15.500 phones, and they use, the 01:13:15.500 --> 01:13:16.180 problem with the Cisco 01:13:16.180 --> 01:13:17.000 phones is that there's 01:13:17.000 --> 01:13:18.440 two types, the old types 01:13:18.440 --> 01:13:19.720 and the new types, and 01:13:19.720 --> 01:13:20.600 there's two drivers for 01:13:20.600 --> 01:13:21.960 asterisk with it, one of 01:13:21.960 --> 01:13:23.920 which has a whole load of 01:13:23.920 --> 01:13:25.000 features and everyone uses. 01:13:25.360 --> 01:13:26.420 However, it doesn't work with 01:13:26.420 --> 01:13:26.880 my phone. 01:13:27.460 --> 01:13:28.620 And there's another version 01:13:28.620 --> 01:13:31.000 which is a little less 01:13:31.000 --> 01:13:33.240 featured, but it does work 01:13:33.240 --> 01:13:33.760 with my phone. 01:13:33.840 --> 01:13:34.620 So I've been working on 01:13:34.620 --> 01:13:35.620 trying to combine the two 01:13:35.620 --> 01:13:37.460 and make a third one which 01:13:37.460 --> 01:13:39.020 works with my phone, yet has 01:13:39.020 --> 01:13:40.100 all the features that 01:13:40.100 --> 01:13:40.800 everyone wants. 01:13:41.520 --> 01:13:42.480 So I'm working on that. 01:13:42.480 --> 01:13:44.660 And that's been very slow 01:13:44.660 --> 01:13:46.440 going because I don't do 01:13:46.440 --> 01:13:47.180 C very well. 01:13:47.400 --> 01:13:48.860 So we're working on that. 01:13:49.860 --> 01:13:51.240 And the other thing I've been 01:13:51.240 --> 01:13:51.980 working on, my other 01:13:51.980 --> 01:13:53.060 website, which is yet another 01:13:53.060 --> 01:13:55.120 payphone list, y-a-p-l dot 01:13:55.120 --> 01:13:56.520 org, which I will show out 01:13:56.520 --> 01:13:57.620 there in a shameless plug. 01:13:58.120 --> 01:13:58.520 Yapple. 01:13:59.200 --> 01:13:59.560 Yapple. 01:13:59.960 --> 01:14:00.780 That's what I call it. 01:14:01.120 --> 01:14:01.480 Yapple. 01:14:02.140 --> 01:14:03.580 And for those of you who don't 01:14:03.580 --> 01:14:04.600 know, don't know me on the 01:14:04.600 --> 01:14:06.640 forums, it's basically, I'm a 01:14:06.640 --> 01:14:07.860 bit of a phone freak in the 01:14:07.860 --> 01:14:09.260 statistics, I guess you could 01:14:09.260 --> 01:14:09.600 call it. 01:14:10.220 --> 01:14:12.560 I enjoy useless, trivial bits 01:14:12.560 --> 01:14:13.140 of information. 01:14:13.340 --> 01:14:14.160 And one of the things I've 01:14:14.160 --> 01:14:16.000 started is basically working 01:14:16.000 --> 01:14:17.660 on mapping and getting 01:14:17.660 --> 01:14:19.380 information on every payphone 01:14:19.380 --> 01:14:20.260 across America. 01:14:21.620 --> 01:14:22.660 Yes, I know it sounds silly, 01:14:22.760 --> 01:14:23.700 but stop laughing. 01:14:24.080 --> 01:14:24.900 Good luck with that. 01:14:24.940 --> 01:14:25.240 Well, wait a minute. 01:14:25.280 --> 01:14:26.040 First of all, why don't you, 01:14:26.520 --> 01:14:28.420 I don't, Yapple stands for, 01:14:28.520 --> 01:14:29.000 of course. 01:14:29.460 --> 01:14:30.900 Yet another payphone list. 01:14:31.580 --> 01:14:32.300 Classic thing. 01:14:32.380 --> 01:14:33.080 Did I not say that? 01:14:33.080 --> 01:14:34.480 I don't think so. 01:14:35.120 --> 01:14:35.400 Okay. 01:14:35.640 --> 01:14:35.960 Yapple. 01:14:36.440 --> 01:14:37.440 Yet another payphone list. 01:14:38.000 --> 01:14:39.200 It doesn't hurt to repeat it. 01:14:39.560 --> 01:14:39.880 Go ahead. 01:14:40.120 --> 01:14:41.000 I said it doesn't hurt to 01:14:41.000 --> 01:14:41.360 repeat it. 01:14:41.400 --> 01:14:41.840 That's all right. 01:14:42.300 --> 01:14:42.480 Yeah. 01:14:43.980 --> 01:14:45.840 There's a couple of payphones 01:14:45.840 --> 01:14:46.800 out there, but I was 01:14:46.800 --> 01:14:47.980 shooting for a couple of 01:14:47.980 --> 01:14:49.960 things that a lot of them 01:14:49.960 --> 01:14:51.040 don't have, because a lot of 01:14:51.040 --> 01:14:52.540 them are just very, very out 01:14:52.540 --> 01:14:52.920 of date. 01:14:53.620 --> 01:14:55.060 And far be it for me to tell 01:14:55.060 --> 01:14:55.920 these people how to run 01:14:55.920 --> 01:14:56.780 their sites, because I 01:14:56.780 --> 01:14:57.560 wouldn't want someone else to 01:14:57.560 --> 01:14:58.580 tell me how to run my site. 01:14:58.800 --> 01:14:59.640 Although I'm very open to 01:14:59.640 --> 01:15:00.000 suggestions. 01:15:00.180 --> 01:15:00.840 Everyone wants it. 01:15:01.480 --> 01:15:02.520 And I'm shooting for an 01:15:02.520 --> 01:15:03.760 additional feature, like I'm 01:15:03.760 --> 01:15:04.960 going to hopefully spread it 01:15:04.960 --> 01:15:06.800 out to internationally, 01:15:07.060 --> 01:15:09.240 across Europe, and, you know, 01:15:09.540 --> 01:15:11.140 Russia, China, basically 01:15:11.140 --> 01:15:12.320 anywhere you want, because 01:15:12.320 --> 01:15:13.280 right now it's just really 01:15:13.280 --> 01:15:14.800 just locked down to the USA 01:15:14.800 --> 01:15:15.340 and Canada. 01:15:16.340 --> 01:15:17.240 And a couple other small 01:15:17.240 --> 01:15:17.600 features. 01:15:18.100 --> 01:15:19.120 I highly encourage everyone 01:15:19.120 --> 01:15:20.280 to check it out and stroke my 01:15:20.280 --> 01:15:21.320 ego by sending phones. 01:15:22.300 --> 01:15:23.320 Very cool stuff. 01:15:23.320 --> 01:15:25.380 And, and, joking, I know you 01:15:25.380 --> 01:15:27.380 said this as a joke, but the 01:15:27.380 --> 01:15:28.300 list, we're not going to 01:15:28.300 --> 01:15:30.060 announce it quite yet, but I 01:15:30.060 --> 01:15:31.100 did say at the beginning of 01:15:31.100 --> 01:15:32.160 the show, another thing you've 01:15:32.160 --> 01:15:33.220 been spending your time as a 01:15:33.220 --> 01:15:34.260 project that you and I have 01:15:34.260 --> 01:15:36.260 been working together on that 01:15:36.260 --> 01:15:37.580 we've been putting a lot of 01:15:37.580 --> 01:15:38.120 time into. 01:15:38.240 --> 01:15:39.440 Now, let's not, let's not 01:15:39.440 --> 01:15:40.100 forget about that. 01:15:40.160 --> 01:15:41.280 We're not going to, it's not 01:15:41.280 --> 01:15:43.460 ready for prime time yet, but 01:15:43.460 --> 01:15:44.160 it will be... 01:15:44.160 --> 01:15:45.400 We announced it, we'll just 01:15:45.400 --> 01:15:46.600 let people think about it. 01:15:47.020 --> 01:15:48.100 Yeah, well, and people... 01:15:48.100 --> 01:15:48.960 Oh, you mentioned it, 01:15:49.040 --> 01:15:49.500 excuse me, you didn't 01:15:49.500 --> 01:15:49.960 announce it. 01:15:50.100 --> 01:15:52.100 Yeah, I, I, people hate it 01:15:52.100 --> 01:15:53.080 when I do that, I know that 01:15:53.080 --> 01:15:54.620 I'm, it's kind of a tease, but 01:15:54.620 --> 01:15:55.940 very, very soon. 01:15:56.000 --> 01:15:56.640 Like I said, we're going to 01:15:56.640 --> 01:15:57.780 announce a big thing here 01:15:57.780 --> 01:16:00.440 before Christmas, and then two 01:16:00.440 --> 01:16:02.300 other projects that are, the 01:16:02.300 --> 01:16:03.300 one that you and I are working 01:16:03.300 --> 01:16:04.360 on, and another one that Nick 01:16:04.360 --> 01:16:06.840 84 and I were working on, that 01:16:06.840 --> 01:16:09.000 are both right there, just about 01:16:09.000 --> 01:16:10.040 ready to roll out, but we 01:16:10.040 --> 01:16:12.220 can't until we get the last 01:16:12.220 --> 01:16:13.900 little bits of things ironed 01:16:13.900 --> 01:16:14.800 out, and the security 01:16:14.800 --> 01:16:16.880 tightened up on them, so 01:16:16.880 --> 01:16:19.080 they're done, finally. 01:16:19.080 --> 01:16:19.960 They're currently alpha 01:16:19.960 --> 01:16:20.400 testing. 01:16:20.700 --> 01:16:21.140 Exactly. 01:16:21.600 --> 01:16:22.700 No, actually, I would, I'm 01:16:22.700 --> 01:16:23.660 confident to say we're into 01:16:23.660 --> 01:16:24.700 beta testing on this. 01:16:25.120 --> 01:16:26.180 It's just not a public beta 01:16:26.180 --> 01:16:27.000 test, unfortunately. 01:16:27.580 --> 01:16:28.980 Very, very, very private 01:16:28.980 --> 01:16:29.780 beta, me and you. 01:16:31.640 --> 01:16:33.200 Yeah, yeah, right now. 01:16:33.600 --> 01:16:34.680 But the other thing is that 01:16:34.680 --> 01:16:36.540 once it goes live, we kind of 01:16:36.540 --> 01:16:38.320 bypass the public beta because 01:16:38.320 --> 01:16:39.860 it's an interactive, you know 01:16:39.860 --> 01:16:41.040 what, never mind, I'm saying 01:16:41.040 --> 01:16:41.480 too much. 01:16:43.220 --> 01:16:44.880 Everyone will like it, go 01:16:44.880 --> 01:16:46.220 visit it when it comes out, 01:16:46.260 --> 01:16:47.000 and you will love it. 01:16:47.080 --> 01:16:47.820 Yeah, I will. 01:16:47.820 --> 01:16:48.540 And you shower me in 01:16:48.540 --> 01:16:50.120 spank and thousand dollar 01:16:50.120 --> 01:16:50.480 bills. 01:16:50.940 --> 01:16:52.480 Yeah, I don't know about all 01:16:52.480 --> 01:16:52.900 that. 01:16:53.640 --> 01:16:54.260 Wishful thinking. 01:16:54.380 --> 01:16:55.580 They'll zing pennies at us, 01:16:55.640 --> 01:16:55.900 maybe. 01:16:57.120 --> 01:16:58.300 I'm not sure if I want the 01:16:58.300 --> 01:16:59.080 forum members flinging 01:16:59.080 --> 01:16:59.760 panties at me. 01:17:00.200 --> 01:17:01.860 Hmm, there you go. 01:17:02.500 --> 01:17:03.360 All right, well, we've only 01:17:03.360 --> 01:17:05.080 got like five or six minutes 01:17:05.080 --> 01:17:05.860 left, so we're going to have 01:17:05.860 --> 01:17:08.300 to pound, although this is a 01:17:08.300 --> 01:17:09.920 short main topic today, 01:17:10.420 --> 01:17:11.780 because I think it's news that 01:17:11.780 --> 01:17:13.280 everybody's heard about, and 01:17:13.280 --> 01:17:16.040 that is that Tech TV basically 01:17:16.040 --> 01:17:16.780 cleaned house. 01:17:16.880 --> 01:17:17.880 I mean, they fired everybody 01:17:17.880 --> 01:17:20.220 on the screensavers, except for 01:17:20.220 --> 01:17:21.520 our good friend Kevin Rose. 01:17:22.960 --> 01:17:23.700 Yay, Kevin. 01:17:23.860 --> 01:17:25.640 They have, who are the new 01:17:25.640 --> 01:17:25.940 hosts? 01:17:26.040 --> 01:17:28.260 They got two people, they're new 01:17:28.260 --> 01:17:29.240 to the show, I think, but 01:17:29.240 --> 01:17:30.520 apparently they've been on 01:17:30.520 --> 01:17:30.940 Tech TV. 01:17:31.060 --> 01:17:31.780 Who's the new hosts? 01:17:32.140 --> 01:17:33.340 Well, I'm going to put this up 01:17:33.340 --> 01:17:33.820 with a disclaimer. 01:17:33.820 --> 01:17:35.780 I haven't basically watched it 01:17:35.780 --> 01:17:37.640 in the regular sense since the 01:17:37.640 --> 01:17:37.940 merger. 01:17:38.500 --> 01:17:39.580 I watched it when I was in 01:17:39.580 --> 01:17:41.220 college, which was 2003, but 01:17:41.220 --> 01:17:42.400 once I moved back home without 01:17:42.400 --> 01:17:44.040 digital cable, right out the 01:17:44.040 --> 01:17:44.260 window. 01:17:44.740 --> 01:17:46.740 I'm looking at his website right 01:17:46.740 --> 01:17:47.780 now, and it's our lovely 01:17:47.780 --> 01:17:49.580 friend Kevin, with his thumbs up 01:17:49.580 --> 01:17:50.040 on his laptop. 01:17:50.240 --> 01:17:52.220 We have a Sarah Lane, and a 01:17:52.220 --> 01:17:54.620 Chi Chan Liu, and a Kevin 01:17:54.620 --> 01:17:56.320 Pereira, and a Brendan Warren. 01:17:56.520 --> 01:17:58.080 If I remember correctly, it's 01:17:58.080 --> 01:17:59.280 Sarah and Kevin, who are the 01:17:59.280 --> 01:17:59.520 hosts. 01:17:59.740 --> 01:18:00.920 Yeah, I believe that is 01:18:00.920 --> 01:18:01.340 correct. 01:18:01.340 --> 01:18:03.800 And I guess neither one of 01:18:03.800 --> 01:18:05.700 them really had, I guess this 01:18:05.700 --> 01:18:07.020 is their first, like, big 01:18:07.020 --> 01:18:08.800 hosting gig or something like 01:18:08.800 --> 01:18:09.060 that? 01:18:09.300 --> 01:18:10.560 I've never heard of any of 01:18:10.560 --> 01:18:10.700 them. 01:18:10.900 --> 01:18:11.880 Yeah, and Kevin Rose... 01:18:11.880 --> 01:18:12.420 With the exception of 01:18:12.420 --> 01:18:12.580 Kevin. 01:18:12.660 --> 01:18:14.660 I think the other Kevin 01:18:14.660 --> 01:18:17.280 Pereira guy hosted something 01:18:17.280 --> 01:18:18.280 else, if I remember reading. 01:18:18.380 --> 01:18:19.660 But again, I don't, yeah, I'm 01:18:19.660 --> 01:18:20.620 like, I shouldn't even say 01:18:20.620 --> 01:18:21.620 that, because I don't get 01:18:21.620 --> 01:18:22.540 those channels, I don't get 01:18:22.540 --> 01:18:24.240 cable, and of course the 01:18:24.240 --> 01:18:25.280 regular listeners know that, 01:18:25.360 --> 01:18:26.660 so I'll just, I'll digress. 01:18:26.820 --> 01:18:28.960 But, um, Kevin is actually 01:18:28.960 --> 01:18:30.440 not a host on the show. 01:18:30.440 --> 01:18:31.560 I guess he's just going to 01:18:31.560 --> 01:18:33.800 do segments and content and 01:18:33.800 --> 01:18:36.140 do his dark tips, because I 01:18:36.140 --> 01:18:38.020 guess that's apparently what 01:18:38.020 --> 01:18:38.700 he's good at? 01:18:38.780 --> 01:18:39.460 I don't know. 01:18:39.740 --> 01:18:40.840 I, I... 01:18:40.840 --> 01:18:43.740 Anyway, I mean, like, for 01:18:43.740 --> 01:18:45.020 example, the dark tips for 01:18:45.020 --> 01:18:46.060 December, here's a list. 01:18:46.160 --> 01:18:46.960 He's going to have dark 01:18:46.960 --> 01:18:49.400 deals, telling you how to 01:18:49.400 --> 01:18:50.340 shop on the internet. 01:18:50.560 --> 01:18:52.980 Yay, that's so dark and 01:18:52.980 --> 01:18:53.840 dangerous. 01:18:54.380 --> 01:18:55.440 The underbelly of the 01:18:55.440 --> 01:18:56.260 hacking world. 01:18:56.820 --> 01:18:57.800 Dark deals. 01:18:57.800 --> 01:18:59.880 Okay, maybe. 01:19:00.520 --> 01:19:00.800 Yeah. 01:19:01.480 --> 01:19:03.220 Um, hide your data. 01:19:03.320 --> 01:19:04.120 I guess some of these have 01:19:04.120 --> 01:19:04.300 passed. 01:19:04.340 --> 01:19:05.400 This was on December 2nd. 01:19:05.700 --> 01:19:06.760 Creating hidden data 01:19:06.760 --> 01:19:08.060 compartments out of normal 01:19:08.060 --> 01:19:09.180 household items. 01:19:10.540 --> 01:19:12.480 Yeah, that was fun when I 01:19:12.480 --> 01:19:14.040 was eight years old. 01:19:14.420 --> 01:19:15.620 Okay, that, and what does 01:19:15.620 --> 01:19:16.080 that have to do with 01:19:16.080 --> 01:19:16.340 hacking? 01:19:17.000 --> 01:19:17.420 What, how's that? 01:19:17.420 --> 01:19:18.140 No one looks underneath my 01:19:18.140 --> 01:19:19.080 bed for my porn next. 01:19:19.240 --> 01:19:19.640 Yeah, exactly. 01:19:19.760 --> 01:19:21.760 No one, no one will ever 01:19:21.760 --> 01:19:23.160 find the key I have hidden 01:19:23.160 --> 01:19:24.520 under the rock in the front 01:19:24.520 --> 01:19:25.200 lawn, right? 01:19:25.640 --> 01:19:26.640 Oh, crap, you got one of 01:19:26.640 --> 01:19:26.980 those two? 01:19:27.100 --> 01:19:27.340 Yeah. 01:19:28.240 --> 01:19:29.800 Do-it-yourself vodka. 01:19:31.340 --> 01:19:32.620 Now, how does, what is 01:19:32.620 --> 01:19:34.760 that, ah, jeez. 01:19:35.560 --> 01:19:36.720 Well, as much as it 01:19:36.720 --> 01:19:38.520 relates to hacking, I 01:19:38.520 --> 01:19:39.500 think it's a cool topic, 01:19:39.640 --> 01:19:40.420 but mainly because I'm an 01:19:40.420 --> 01:19:41.160 alcoholic, but. 01:19:41.280 --> 01:19:41.480 Yeah. 01:19:41.780 --> 01:19:42.560 Well, there's also, you'll 01:19:42.560 --> 01:19:43.700 look forward to the do-it-yourself 01:19:43.700 --> 01:19:45.420 beer kit on December 16th. 01:19:45.760 --> 01:19:46.760 Well, you don't need a kit 01:19:46.760 --> 01:19:47.740 for do-it-yourself beer, 01:19:47.840 --> 01:19:48.620 but I don't think I like 01:19:48.620 --> 01:19:48.800 that. 01:19:49.040 --> 01:19:49.820 Ha, ha, ha, ha. 01:19:50.500 --> 01:19:51.580 Dark deals again. 01:19:51.640 --> 01:19:52.340 He's got a few of these 01:19:52.340 --> 01:19:52.940 dark deals. 01:19:52.940 --> 01:19:55.240 Uh, TV Be Gone is in 01:19:55.240 --> 01:19:57.140 here, which, like, a lot of 01:19:57.140 --> 01:19:58.020 store places have done 01:19:58.020 --> 01:19:58.900 that, so I guess that one's 01:19:58.900 --> 01:19:59.200 a good one. 01:19:59.200 --> 01:19:59.880 I'll give you, I'll give 01:19:59.880 --> 01:20:00.240 him that one. 01:20:00.260 --> 01:20:00.720 That one's a good one. 01:20:00.780 --> 01:20:01.120 I like that. 01:20:01.480 --> 01:20:02.700 Surf Anonymously, actually, 01:20:02.800 --> 01:20:03.980 that was December 6th. 01:20:03.980 --> 01:20:04.680 That was Monday. 01:20:04.840 --> 01:20:06.040 Do it, uh, Surf Anonymously, 01:20:06.120 --> 01:20:07.100 the latest software to keep 01:20:07.100 --> 01:20:08.000 you hidden online. 01:20:08.880 --> 01:20:09.760 Well, we kind of did that 01:20:09.760 --> 01:20:12.100 recently ourselves, but 01:20:12.100 --> 01:20:13.160 that's pretty general talk. 01:20:13.220 --> 01:20:13.980 I'll give him that one. 01:20:14.000 --> 01:20:14.620 I'll give him that one, 01:20:14.700 --> 01:20:14.820 too. 01:20:15.340 --> 01:20:17.560 Hack Your Cell, some great 01:20:17.560 --> 01:20:18.600 hacks for your cell phone. 01:20:18.700 --> 01:20:19.820 Well, that's, are you 01:20:19.820 --> 01:20:20.580 vague much? 01:20:20.900 --> 01:20:21.220 Hello? 01:20:21.220 --> 01:20:22.680 Can I download new 01:20:22.680 --> 01:20:22.980 rings? 01:20:23.300 --> 01:20:23.920 Yeah, I mean, what, yeah, 01:20:24.040 --> 01:20:25.100 how to put one of those 01:20:25.100 --> 01:20:26.120 little holographic stickers 01:20:26.120 --> 01:20:27.000 on your faceplate? 01:20:27.180 --> 01:20:30.460 Is that, uh, yeah, you 01:20:30.460 --> 01:20:30.560 know? 01:20:30.580 --> 01:20:31.500 Well, with every sticker 01:20:31.500 --> 01:20:32.520 you put on, you increase 01:20:32.520 --> 01:20:33.500 your output by a watt. 01:20:33.940 --> 01:20:35.520 I'm not, I'm not missing 01:20:35.520 --> 01:20:37.060 much with, with tech TV, 01:20:37.180 --> 01:20:37.480 am I? 01:20:38.520 --> 01:20:39.180 Not really. 01:20:39.240 --> 01:20:39.740 Well, we're going to 01:20:39.740 --> 01:20:40.680 have to wrap up here. 01:20:40.740 --> 01:20:41.420 I'm going to, you know 01:20:41.420 --> 01:20:42.360 what, here, I'll give, I'll 01:20:42.360 --> 01:20:43.740 give my own dark tip. 01:20:44.360 --> 01:20:46.660 Here's Stank Dog's dark deal. 01:20:46.820 --> 01:20:48.220 This is my dark tip of the 01:20:48.220 --> 01:20:48.520 day. 01:20:48.520 --> 01:20:49.640 Let's see if Kevin Rose 01:20:49.640 --> 01:20:50.860 uses this on the show. 01:20:51.220 --> 01:20:54.420 Um, I kind of stumbled 01:20:54.420 --> 01:20:55.620 across a neat thing 01:20:55.620 --> 01:20:58.180 accidentally, um, going on 01:20:58.180 --> 01:20:58.520 eBay. 01:20:59.600 --> 01:21:00.980 Being that I have poor 01:21:00.980 --> 01:21:02.800 typing skills, and Black 01:21:02.800 --> 01:21:03.900 Ratchet can more than 01:21:03.900 --> 01:21:05.020 vouch for that in instant 01:21:05.020 --> 01:21:07.600 messaging, um, I have a 01:21:07.600 --> 01:21:08.460 tendency to misspell 01:21:08.460 --> 01:21:09.400 sometimes, and I'm too 01:21:09.400 --> 01:21:09.780 lazy. 01:21:10.120 --> 01:21:11.580 It's faster for me, it's 01:21:11.580 --> 01:21:12.900 faster to me to retype the 01:21:12.900 --> 01:21:13.980 entire sentence or start 01:21:13.980 --> 01:21:15.060 over than it is, I'll just 01:21:15.060 --> 01:21:15.760 delete it and start over 01:21:15.760 --> 01:21:16.800 than it is to back up and 01:21:16.800 --> 01:21:17.400 correct things. 01:21:17.400 --> 01:21:19.000 So, I figure if it's close 01:21:19.000 --> 01:21:19.600 enough, it works. 01:21:19.600 --> 01:21:21.600 So, I found out that you 01:21:21.600 --> 01:21:22.760 might be able to get a 01:21:22.760 --> 01:21:28.520 dark deal on eBay if you 01:21:28.520 --> 01:21:29.760 misspell something. 01:21:29.900 --> 01:21:31.300 And the reason why is 01:21:31.300 --> 01:21:33.220 because you might get 01:21:33.220 --> 01:21:34.440 lucky that the person who 01:21:34.440 --> 01:21:35.760 listed the item for auction 01:21:35.760 --> 01:21:36.660 misspelled it. 01:21:37.020 --> 01:21:38.640 For example, I'll go back to 01:21:38.640 --> 01:21:40.540 last week's topic of plan 01:21:40.540 --> 01:21:40.980 pilots. 01:21:41.600 --> 01:21:43.000 We were teasing someone who 01:21:43.000 --> 01:21:44.200 sent in an email because he 01:21:44.200 --> 01:21:45.600 kept misspelling palm pilot as 01:21:45.600 --> 01:21:47.020 plan pilot, which we were 01:21:47.020 --> 01:21:47.960 just teasing him, but you 01:21:47.960 --> 01:21:48.340 know what? 01:21:48.700 --> 01:21:49.540 I bet if you did a little 01:21:49.540 --> 01:21:50.760 search for plan pilot on 01:21:50.760 --> 01:21:52.060 eBay, you might get lucky. 01:21:52.640 --> 01:21:53.400 And since it's spelled 01:21:53.400 --> 01:21:54.600 wrong, few other people are 01:21:54.600 --> 01:21:56.080 finding it, you might be one 01:21:56.080 --> 01:21:57.200 of the few or only bidders 01:21:57.200 --> 01:21:58.000 on it, and you might get a 01:21:58.000 --> 01:21:58.840 cheap plan pilot. 01:21:59.340 --> 01:22:00.600 Yep, actually, I will 01:22:00.600 --> 01:22:01.180 attest to this. 01:22:01.220 --> 01:22:03.140 One of my friends, there's a 01:22:03.140 --> 01:22:04.260 company out there who makes 01:22:04.260 --> 01:22:05.540 TV capture calls called 01:22:05.540 --> 01:22:07.320 Hoppage, and it's, I can't 01:22:07.320 --> 01:22:08.400 even spell the damn thing, 01:22:08.500 --> 01:22:11.100 H-A-U-P-P-A-G-E, and he 01:22:11.100 --> 01:22:11.620 just did this. 01:22:11.680 --> 01:22:12.640 He kept on feeding it 01:22:12.640 --> 01:22:13.580 misspellings, and he picked 01:22:13.580 --> 01:22:15.400 up this, like, you know, 50 to 01:22:15.400 --> 01:22:17.260 an $80 card for $10. 01:22:17.880 --> 01:22:19.900 Yeah, so there, that's 01:22:19.900 --> 01:22:22.440 Stankdog's dark deal of the 01:22:22.440 --> 01:22:23.060 day. 01:22:25.440 --> 01:22:28.560 Fear my neat hacks or skills. 01:22:29.820 --> 01:22:31.200 All right, on that, we will 01:22:31.200 --> 01:22:35.520 head to the shouts, and I'll 01:22:35.520 --> 01:22:36.780 just, I'll pop mine out here 01:22:36.780 --> 01:22:37.440 and get it over with. 01:22:37.500 --> 01:22:38.860 Mark, from the Mark and 01:22:38.860 --> 01:22:39.720 Daryl show, like I said, 01:22:39.720 --> 01:22:40.780 came out and gave us a 01:22:40.780 --> 01:22:42.080 presentation, which was very 01:22:42.080 --> 01:22:42.620 cool of him. 01:22:42.700 --> 01:22:44.220 And hey, why not Daryl, too? 01:22:44.220 --> 01:22:45.480 So, sure, shouts out to Daryl. 01:22:45.800 --> 01:22:48.340 Go check out their show, The Mark and Daryl Show on Rant Radio, 01:22:48.940 --> 01:22:53.220 or go to Risen.com, R-A-Z-Z-N.com. 01:22:53.660 --> 01:22:54.440 Pimp that site. 01:22:54.680 --> 01:22:58.240 Again, to Rim from The Ghetto Hackers, very cool guy, very fun to talk to. 01:22:58.300 --> 01:23:00.080 He has some pretty good stories and a pretty sharp guy. 01:23:01.980 --> 01:23:05.480 To Logos X, whose name I've mispronounced a couple times on the show, 01:23:05.580 --> 01:23:09.000 Logos X, who's doing our show notes and some other projects, 01:23:09.000 --> 01:23:11.760 the 2600 Secrets Project. 01:23:11.760 --> 01:23:18.620 And, you know, again, to Nick84, the guy just does so much. 01:23:18.680 --> 01:23:20.920 I can't give him enough credit. 01:23:21.520 --> 01:23:25.600 This guy does so much that not only that people see and hear about 01:23:25.600 --> 01:23:27.600 and how helpful he is and how much code. 01:23:28.060 --> 01:23:31.080 There's so much stuff that people don't hear about that he helps with, too. 01:23:31.180 --> 01:23:33.320 I mean, I just can't say enough good things about him. 01:23:33.740 --> 01:23:35.680 So, what else you got? 01:23:35.740 --> 01:23:36.340 What do you want to add? 01:23:37.120 --> 01:23:37.320 Me? 01:23:38.460 --> 01:23:39.720 Shouts to anybody you want. 01:23:39.720 --> 01:23:40.560 Thank you for having me on. 01:23:40.640 --> 01:23:41.900 I'm going to be your co-host this week. 01:23:42.080 --> 01:23:42.920 Yeah, blah, blah. 01:23:43.380 --> 01:23:44.500 I don't count. 01:23:45.260 --> 01:23:46.580 Well, thank you anyway. 01:23:46.680 --> 01:23:47.120 Screw you. 01:23:47.800 --> 01:23:48.540 There you go. 01:23:48.580 --> 01:23:49.380 That's more like it. 01:23:49.380 --> 01:23:56.800 I'll send shouts out to Blake Ops, Square Area, Avid, Doug, Straub Carlson, 01:23:57.760 --> 01:24:02.540 Not Theory, Decoder, I don't know who else, all the DDP forum, 01:24:03.840 --> 01:24:08.460 and the guy who sent me his Lyman test set this afternoon. 01:24:09.120 --> 01:24:10.120 Oh, cool. 01:24:10.540 --> 01:24:10.880 Yes. 01:24:11.340 --> 01:24:12.200 Very cool. 01:24:13.000 --> 01:24:13.560 All right. 01:24:13.800 --> 01:24:16.820 How about, like, your cat or girlfriend, anything? 01:24:17.400 --> 01:24:18.680 I'll send shouts out to my girlfriend. 01:24:18.820 --> 01:24:19.580 She might listen to this. 01:24:19.660 --> 01:24:21.960 I was going to say, is there any chance in hell that she'd listen to this, though? 01:24:22.360 --> 01:24:23.460 I might point it out to her. 01:24:23.500 --> 01:24:25.320 She's actually curious what the hell I do on the computer. 01:24:25.520 --> 01:24:25.820 Really? 01:24:25.940 --> 01:24:26.160 Okay. 01:24:26.240 --> 01:24:26.740 No, that's cool. 01:24:26.880 --> 01:24:27.260 Shouts out. 01:24:27.260 --> 01:24:27.720 Hi, honey. 01:24:28.020 --> 01:24:28.940 Shouts out to her, too. 01:24:28.960 --> 01:24:29.380 I love you. 01:24:30.060 --> 01:24:30.840 Oh, no. 01:24:31.900 --> 01:24:32.180 Okay. 01:24:32.260 --> 01:24:33.320 You just scored on that one. 01:24:34.900 --> 01:24:35.180 Hopefully. 01:24:35.280 --> 01:24:36.560 And I'll send shouts out to my cat. 01:24:36.560 --> 01:24:39.100 All right. 01:24:39.260 --> 01:24:44.600 And, of course, to contact us, email, I mentioned earlier, radio at binrev.com. 01:24:45.100 --> 01:24:48.980 Our closing music tonight is from Two Skinny Jays. 01:24:49.060 --> 01:24:51.200 It's called Get in the Van. 01:24:52.440 --> 01:24:56.020 So, again, Black Ratchet, thank you for being on the show. 01:24:56.280 --> 01:24:57.140 It was very good. 01:24:57.580 --> 01:24:59.160 Very, very good having you on the show. 01:24:59.280 --> 01:25:02.860 And you will be on another upcoming show when we do announce this project. 01:25:03.380 --> 01:25:06.000 It's going to be real tricky here through the holidays with scheduling, 01:25:06.000 --> 01:25:10.700 so I'm not even going to commit to next week's show as far as what the content's going to be 01:25:10.700 --> 01:25:15.860 because 75 is supposed to be the third telephonic craptacular. 01:25:16.000 --> 01:25:17.680 I don't know if I'm going to be able to make that. 01:25:17.780 --> 01:25:20.220 I might have to do some shuffling of shows here. 01:25:20.880 --> 01:25:23.720 And, of course, the Christmas holidays are going to throw things off for people. 01:25:24.060 --> 01:25:29.360 But sometime within the next month or so, we're going to make a lot of big announcements. 01:25:29.600 --> 01:25:30.840 So we'll just leave it at that. 01:25:31.060 --> 01:25:31.440 So, again... 01:25:31.440 --> 01:25:32.980 Is there going to be no Stank Dog Christmas special? 01:25:32.980 --> 01:25:34.980 There might just be... 01:25:34.980 --> 01:25:38.360 There might be some surprises in store that way, too, yes. 01:25:38.500 --> 01:25:39.780 A very stinky Christmas. 01:25:39.880 --> 01:25:41.080 A very stinky... 01:25:41.080 --> 01:25:42.680 Oh, you're killing me. 01:25:43.100 --> 01:25:45.880 All right, well, before I bust out laughing here to close out the show, 01:25:46.000 --> 01:25:48.320 we'll end the same way we always do, 01:25:48.680 --> 01:25:51.680 and that is to tell everybody that we will see them next week, 01:25:52.040 --> 01:25:52.980 same hack time... 01:25:53.520 --> 01:25:54.260 Same hack channel. 01:25:54.260 --> 01:26:21.760 Here we go on the road, that's all we have to know, 01:26:21.760 --> 01:26:24.440 because we'd be steadily stomping at every show. 01:26:24.680 --> 01:26:28.040 Put your hands up before your mic out and tear off the roof, 01:26:28.100 --> 01:26:29.620 you'll cut and turn the lights out. 01:26:29.720 --> 01:26:32.440 So we'd be going down low, and from close to close, 01:26:32.500 --> 01:26:34.640 have a good know-and-up, who takes a go? 01:26:34.700 --> 01:26:37.520 Because we travel through miles, across time, across land, 01:26:37.760 --> 01:26:39.980 lock up your stuff, kid, and get in the pants. 01:26:39.980 --> 01:26:40.800 It's incredible! 01:26:41.160 --> 01:26:42.900 Sometimes it's so close I can taste it, 01:26:42.940 --> 01:26:44.760 but it seems so far away I can't face it. 01:26:44.760 --> 01:26:45.420 I'm crazy! 01:26:45.420 --> 01:26:48.040 To chase it, we take to city streets and interstate, 01:26:48.220 --> 01:26:50.680 with frames of feather waves and heavy beats on our plate. 01:26:50.840 --> 01:26:52.920 We roll into town like thunder, 01:26:53.160 --> 01:26:56.000 command no band of standouts, handing out propaganda. 01:26:56.040 --> 01:26:57.140 It's our land, yes! 01:26:57.280 --> 01:26:59.460 Our small minds have big waves and loud voices. 01:26:59.480 --> 01:27:00.720 It's time for a change! 01:27:00.740 --> 01:27:02.140 And it comes from the people! 01:27:02.260 --> 01:27:02.880 Are you with me? 01:27:02.900 --> 01:27:04.820 We stand up and challenge the authorities. 01:27:04.840 --> 01:27:05.720 Come get me! 01:27:05.780 --> 01:27:07.060 Watch the flock up yelling, 01:27:07.140 --> 01:27:07.540 Hit me! 01:27:07.560 --> 01:27:08.140 Like Britney! 01:27:08.400 --> 01:27:10.700 Spineless and mindless, well out in the yard. 01:27:10.760 --> 01:27:12.280 Rocking hard, well you'll find us, 01:27:12.320 --> 01:27:14.800 if we spent years with the adventurous team. 01:27:14.800 --> 01:27:16.800 Ask him, who I took your head slay? 01:27:16.800 --> 01:27:18.800 Don't mention me, go round for round, 01:27:18.800 --> 01:27:20.000 but I'm the stand bully, 01:27:20.000 --> 01:27:21.200 I'm a bound like a rocker, 01:27:21.200 --> 01:27:22.900 you don't have to be pounded by bullies. 01:27:22.900 --> 01:27:25.600 Here we go on the road, that's all we have to know, 01:27:25.600 --> 01:27:28.200 cause we be steadily stomping at every show. 01:27:28.200 --> 01:27:28.700 Change! 01:27:28.700 --> 01:27:29.700 Put your hands up, 01:27:29.700 --> 01:27:31.800 pull your mic down and tear off the roof, 01:27:31.800 --> 01:27:33.500 your car that turned our lights out. 01:27:33.500 --> 01:27:34.420 So here we go, 01:27:34.420 --> 01:27:36.400 we can flow, and from coast to coast, 01:27:36.400 --> 01:27:38.500 but you know when the food takes the flow, 01:27:38.500 --> 01:27:41.500 cause we babble through minds across time of our plans. 01:27:41.500 --> 01:27:44.000 Pack up your stuff, kid, and get in the pants. 01:27:44.000 --> 01:27:46.000 You must rise when the night falls, 01:27:46.000 --> 01:27:48.000 down the ground, down the road, 01:27:48.000 --> 01:27:50.000 down the road, when your light calls. 01:27:50.000 --> 01:27:52.000 Will you stand still, or walk tall? 01:27:52.000 --> 01:27:54.000 Will you ride that hit single, hit, hit, 01:27:54.000 --> 01:27:55.000 on the wall? 01:27:55.000 --> 01:27:57.000 I'm falling and I still got the scars, 01:27:57.000 --> 01:28:00.000 I've been binded but I still see the stars. 01:28:00.000 --> 01:28:02.000 Cause we did this the hard way, 01:28:02.000 --> 01:28:03.000 to parkways and boarding, 01:28:03.000 --> 01:28:04.000 and hit all the causeways, 01:28:04.000 --> 01:28:06.000 from mumfuck to broadway. 01:28:06.000 --> 01:28:08.000 Hit roads and dodge dots, 01:28:08.000 --> 01:28:10.000 rip shows, flip roads and rock hard, 01:28:10.000 --> 01:28:12.000 to the upstart, pop star, 01:28:12.000 --> 01:28:13.000 who taught the job? 01:28:13.000 --> 01:28:15.000 Sold yourself for stolen gold, 01:28:15.000 --> 01:28:16.000 but what about so? 01:28:16.000 --> 01:28:17.000 Stand with me, stand with me, 01:28:17.000 --> 01:28:18.000 lift your piss up, 01:28:18.000 --> 01:28:20.000 now ban with me, ban with me, 01:28:20.000 --> 01:28:22.000 we can do this right together. 01:28:22.000 --> 01:28:24.000 We can make a change for the better, 01:28:24.000 --> 01:28:26.000 and a change of winds of change for stormy weather. 01:28:26.000 --> 01:28:28.000 Get out! 01:28:28.000 --> 01:28:29.000 Get out! 01:28:29.000 --> 01:28:30.000 Get out! 01:28:30.000 --> 01:28:31.000 Get out! 01:28:31.000 --> 01:28:32.000 Get out! 01:28:32.000 --> 01:28:33.000 Get out! 01:28:33.000 --> 01:28:34.000 Get out! 01:28:34.000 --> 01:28:35.000 Get out! 01:28:35.000 --> 01:28:36.000 Get out! 01:28:36.000 --> 01:28:37.000 Get out! 01:28:37.000 --> 01:28:38.000 Get out! 01:28:48.000 --> 01:28:49.000 Here we go on the road, 01:28:49.000 --> 01:28:51.000 that's all we have to know, 01:28:51.000 --> 01:28:53.000 cause we'd be steadily stopping at every show. 01:28:53.000 --> 01:28:54.000 Check! 01:28:54.000 --> 01:28:55.000 Push your hands up! 01:28:55.000 --> 01:28:56.000 Check! 01:28:56.000 --> 01:28:57.000 Pull your mic out, 01:28:57.000 --> 01:28:58.000 and get off the roof, 01:28:58.000 --> 01:28:59.000 you'll call that down, 01:28:59.000 --> 01:29:00.000 I like love. 01:29:00.000 --> 01:29:01.000 So we go, 01:29:01.000 --> 01:29:02.000 tempo, 01:29:02.000 --> 01:29:03.000 and fro, 01:29:03.000 --> 01:29:04.000 up to coast, 01:29:04.000 --> 01:29:05.000 out like you know, 01:29:05.000 --> 01:29:06.000 when the food takes a focus, 01:29:06.000 --> 01:29:07.000 we travel through minds across, 01:29:07.000 --> 01:29:08.000 time across land, 01:29:08.000 --> 01:29:09.000 lock up your stuff, kid, 01:29:09.000 --> 01:29:10.000 and get in the van. 01:29:23.000 --> 01:29:25.000 go. 01:29:25.000 --> 01:29:26.000 If you have to reach out, 01:29:26.000 --> 01:29:27.000 up to coast, 01:29:27.000 --> 01:29:28.000 you'll find some EmergingELys, 01:29:28.000 --> 01:29:28.360 put in 10 Ol Gemini, 01:29:28.360 --> 01:29:29.000 and get out! 01:29:29.000 --> 01:29:30.000 Get out! 01:29:30.000 --> 01:29:31.000 Hey, 01:29:31.000 --> 01:29:32.000 where the to go! 01:29:32.000 --> 01:29:33.000 This is the end! 01:29:33.000 --> 01:29:34.000 Now! 01:29:35.000 --> 01:29:36.000 Newрок! 01:29:36.000 --> 01:29:37.000 This is a part of the house! 01:29:45.000 --> 01:29:46.000 You can watch our crash, 01:29:46.000 --> 01:29:47.000 and then raise your mind. 01:29:47.000 --> 01:29:48.000 I'll beқ-a yake f situation, 01:29:48.000 --> 01:29:49.000 in your hands. 01:29:49.000 --> 01:29:50.000 I'll be monuments across the forest. 01:29:50.000 --> 01:29:51.560 millennials 01:29:51.560 --> 01:30:21.540 We'll be right back.