WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:09.640 This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers, to the hackers and the crackers. 00:10.100 --> 00:15.500 I see in binary, I speak source code, step on my toes, I'll post a million game pegs 00:15.500 --> 00:20.700 of you and a fag poned, in your digital stance getting firewalled ho, cause I'm riding the 00:20.700 --> 00:26.660 net in my six foe, I was a dick with my 56, now with my cable I'm able to get that stable, 00:26.660 --> 00:31.960 on the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo, on the digital highway, my name is Neo and 00:31.960 --> 00:37.460 I'm a Nero, in a flash, I'll screw you on burning dream caps, you need some ISO, let me through 00:37.460 --> 00:42.880 my hard drive rifle, our exchange you could never stifle, in a digital hug, you just caught 00:42.880 --> 00:49.160 the love bug, I bootlegged your CD, I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z, your CG, it's 00:49.160 --> 00:53.600 all gonna be free, whether we take it by force or we take it nicely, you feel that rattle 00:53.600 --> 00:58.360 in your bones, when I tell you we just hacked out Jones, and NASDAQ, leave you flat on your 00:58.360 --> 01:03.700 back, cause I am he who loves to hack and crack, cause I am he who loves to hack and crack. 01:04.180 --> 01:11.400 This is dedicated to the hackers and the criminals, serial codes, source codes, ISOs, RANs, SIFs, 01:11.400 --> 01:16.200 SIFs, this is dedicated to the hackers and the crack, yeah, so it was Ruthie's first date, 01:16.600 --> 01:20.880 okay, so Matt had to go over to the kid's house to pick him up, right, but when he gets there, 01:20.880 --> 01:25.300 the kid's not there, so Ruthie doesn't know this at home, and the whole family is like 01:25.300 --> 01:32.820 wondering what's, oh, oh, um, hello everyone, and welcome to, I'll get back to that later, 01:32.860 --> 01:39.680 I'm sorry about that, this is Binary Revolution Radio, episode 82, today is February 8th, 2005, 01:39.980 --> 01:46.000 I am StankDog with you this week, yes, I am StankDog, and it is episode 82, I'll explain 01:46.000 --> 01:52.520 in a moment, um, and let me first introduce my co-host, you've heard him before on several 01:52.520 --> 01:57.720 internet radio shows, but this is the first time co-hosting with me on Binary Revolution 01:57.720 --> 02:03.260 Radio, so everyone say hello to Doug, hello everybody, thanks for having me on the program, 02:03.480 --> 02:08.160 no, no problem, thanks for being on, and, um, I'll, I'll tell you how the episode ended 02:08.160 --> 02:14.340 later after we're done recording, alright, cool, alright, so, anyway, uh, yeah, I am back 02:14.340 --> 02:18.820 on the show this week, I know the last time you heard from me, I said I wouldn't be back 02:18.820 --> 02:24.720 on the show, but, you know, things happen, so, I am back on this week, like it or leave 02:24.720 --> 02:30.140 it, click, there was a sound of a bunch of people turning out, hitting stop, exactly, 02:30.440 --> 02:35.900 uh, but no, yeah, apologies, we actually, the people in the forums, and some of the regular 02:35.900 --> 02:42.160 listeners know that we just went through a very big server move the last couple of weeks, 02:42.160 --> 02:49.140 things, specifically last weekend, starting on Friday, and lasting for pretty much five 02:49.140 --> 02:55.940 to seven days straight of me pretty much not sleeping and spending every waking moment 02:55.940 --> 03:01.720 transferring all of our sites over to a new server, and kind of caused some problems with 03:01.720 --> 03:07.180 the radio server, the radio stream, the show, everything got caught up, so my apologies for 03:07.180 --> 03:14.020 missing last week's show, there is an episode 81, but keeping with that RFA tradition, we're 03:14.020 --> 03:20.140 going to call that the lost episode, and we'll bring that to you sometime later, that's my 03:20.140 --> 03:26.760 story, and I'm sticking to it, and, uh, actually, coincidentally, not only did we screw the show 03:26.760 --> 03:30.860 up last week with the whole server move, which, by the way, was the first time, I really feel 03:30.860 --> 03:37.260 kind of bad, that's our first missed show in almost two years, so that kind of feel bad, but, um, 03:37.520 --> 03:44.760 totally coincidental of that, Voodoo Hal actually just recently, a couple days ago, got caught up with 03:44.760 --> 03:50.920 work, and is not going to be able to do the show after all, unfortunately, so I know a lot of listeners 03:50.920 --> 03:56.720 were looking forward to Voodoo Hal hosting the show for a couple episodes, but I, I'm afraid that's 03:56.720 --> 04:01.920 not going to be able to happen after all, real life, you know, kind of grabs you sometimes by the, 04:01.920 --> 04:07.540 uh, cojones and, uh, won't let go, so he is not going to be able to get away, you're going to have 04:07.540 --> 04:11.840 to suffer through me, it looks like, at least for this episode, and then we'll see what happens after 04:11.840 --> 04:20.080 that. You know, all the members of DDP are real busy. Man, we are. Except for one of them, uh, that ends 04:20.080 --> 04:27.540 with a 225, maybe, but. Actually, actually, Lucky just got back from ShmooCon, so Lucky's been busy, 04:27.620 --> 04:34.780 at least for the weekend, I, beyond that, yeah, uh, that's debatable, I guess, but, uh, actually, you know, 04:34.900 --> 04:39.040 even though, you know, real life has happened, and people are tied up and stuff, we actually have some 04:39.040 --> 04:44.520 good news here in the housekeeping section to, uh, remind everybody that our very own Sub-Zero, 04:44.520 --> 04:50.180 DDP member Sub-Zero, and DJ Mollusk, both of them, the guys from Geek Love Radio, they're going 04:50.180 --> 04:58.780 to be on, uh, whatever, what do they call it now, Tech TV, G4? G4 Tech TV. G4 Tech TV, okay, whatever 04:58.780 --> 05:04.680 they call that channel now, which I don't get, uh, remind everybody, we mentioned it before, but on 05:04.680 --> 05:12.020 February 14th, they're doing a Valentine's Day special for G4 Tech TV, I forgot, is it, is it 05:12.020 --> 05:16.080 screensavers they're going to be on? Yeah, it'll be on the screensavers, the new screensavers, 05:16.160 --> 05:20.920 whoever the hell they are now, I don't know. Yeah, that's, sometimes I'm glad I don't get the 05:20.920 --> 05:25.860 channel from listening to other people talk about how bad it's gotten. Oh, yeah. So, uh, I'll have 05:25.860 --> 05:32.400 to catch that one on a recording online somewhere, uh, not that I approve of copyright, whatever. 05:32.960 --> 05:39.740 I'll catch it somewhere, you know what I mean. Yeah. So, um, housekeeping, uh, I guess, 05:39.740 --> 05:43.560 unless you had something to bring up this early, we should probably go into the e-mail 05:43.560 --> 05:48.840 about this time. Yeah, let's get into the e-mail. All right, and let's do the e-mail 05:48.840 --> 06:14.860 theme music. Okay, now, uh, actually, before I read a specific e-mail, I just wanted to mention 06:14.860 --> 06:21.720 something that I found interesting, uh, I, I'm really surprised, like, it's, it's really weird. 06:21.860 --> 06:28.920 I don't know exactly how to explain it or put, come up with a logical reason for it, but I've been 06:28.920 --> 06:36.220 published in 26, magas, 2600 magazine quite a few times. Too many, I don't even, whatever, it's not 06:36.220 --> 06:41.860 about how many, but it, my point is that I write these articles and most of them have been technical 06:41.860 --> 06:46.940 in nature. There was two that I can think of that were not, that were borderline. One of them is in 06:46.940 --> 06:52.040 the current issue. It's called Hacking the Lottery, which, first of all, was a joke in the title 06:52.040 --> 06:56.100 anyway, Hacking the Lottery, but it's nothing to do with hacking. It's kind of a jab at all those 06:56.100 --> 07:01.000 hacking the blank articles that people write. So it was in and of itself, it was kind of a joke. 07:01.800 --> 07:09.020 But anyway, the funny thing is that I'm shocked that my technical articles, I get very little 07:09.020 --> 07:15.180 feedback, only two or three emails back from those. But the two articles that I've ever 07:15.180 --> 07:19.520 written that have gotten the most feedback, and not only the most feedback, but the most 07:19.520 --> 07:28.020 mentions on other sites and people linking to them, was A, my article on Elite Speak, which 07:28.020 --> 07:33.380 is not really all that technical, a little bit, but not much, and this current article on 07:33.380 --> 07:37.800 Hacking the Lottery. And basically, it is not about hacking from a technical standpoint. 07:37.800 --> 07:42.780 It basically explains how the lottery works, and how not to get fooled into it, thinking 07:42.780 --> 07:47.320 that you can somehow hack the lottery, or trick the lottery, or make it somehow better 07:47.320 --> 07:51.820 for you. It's a gimmick. It's a complete gimmick. And the amazing thing is that I'm still 07:51.820 --> 07:57.260 getting responses from this article. And I'm just, I don't understand why. I write a technical 07:57.260 --> 08:02.320 article, and I don't hear anything about it. But then the stuff that is non-technical, I get 08:02.320 --> 08:07.300 tons of feedback on. And then people bash 2600 for not having technical articles, and 08:07.300 --> 08:11.000 me for not writing enough technical. It's just that those are the ones, somehow, that 08:11.000 --> 08:14.180 I, is there any logical reason that I'm missing here? 08:14.820 --> 08:20.900 I really don't know. It's, it's weird. I, I really don't, I mean, it's cool, I guess, 08:20.920 --> 08:26.940 in a way, but I'm just, I'm making a pledge that for now I'm only sending tech stuff to 2600. 08:26.940 --> 08:34.160 Anything non-tech, I'll just put it up on DocDroppers, or, or send it to Blacklisted or 08:34.160 --> 08:41.040 something. I don't know. I'll send it somewhere else. Um, all right, let's do some real email. 08:41.160 --> 08:46.320 Because of our little layover, I got quite a few emails. First of all, I should apologize. 08:48.240 --> 08:54.500 I might have lost some emails in that transition as well. Because of the way DNS works and how 08:54.500 --> 08:59.260 it has to propagate down to everybody's localized DNS servers, global DNS servers, etc. There's, 08:59.360 --> 09:05.160 what, 13, I think? 13 of them? 11? 13, I think that's right. 13 or 11? No, I think it's 13. 09:06.140 --> 09:09.480 So because of the time that it takes for that to happen regionally, some people were sending 09:09.480 --> 09:14.960 email that probably went to our old box while I was already looking on the new box. So there 09:14.960 --> 09:18.920 might have been a couple emails that I did not get. I know one person forwarded an email 09:18.920 --> 09:23.160 saying that they had sent and they didn't get a reply. So I know at least one was lost. 09:23.160 --> 09:29.920 So anybody that, uh, sent me anything during, well, basically last weekend, um, I might not 09:29.920 --> 09:35.340 have got it. So I'll go through a bunch of the emails that I got tonight. And frankly, this may be 09:35.340 --> 09:40.680 an, I don't know if we've ever done an all email show, but this might be pretty darn close. 09:41.740 --> 09:49.140 So I guess shut up running my mouth and let's jump into it. Uh, first email this week comes from 09:49.140 --> 09:56.140 a Denver 2600 group, a new group. I think they're starting up and they say, what license 09:56.140 --> 10:03.220 is been rev radio released under? I'm asking because I run a, Oh, what are all those? PD, 10:03.520 --> 10:09.580 CC, GNU, GPL, et cetera, server. Even if there isn't a specific license you can name, I would 10:09.580 --> 10:13.380 like to know if I can distribute it on our up and coming server. 10:13.380 --> 10:19.340 Alrighty. Well, we've answered this before, but we'll do it again because a lot of people still 10:19.340 --> 10:26.700 ask and haven't listened to the old episodes. Uh, binary revolution radio, as well as just about 10:26.700 --> 10:33.280 almost everything that we do is released under a creative commons license. Now to see the specific 10:33.280 --> 10:39.000 license, you can look on any page on the entire site. If you look, if you look a little bit, you 10:39.000 --> 10:43.800 might find a link that says creative commons license. That'll give you more detail. Um, 10:44.700 --> 10:48.500 again, this is most everything. Some sites are a little bit different. Like for example, 10:48.640 --> 10:54.100 doc droppers, because that contains work of a lot of other people. We had to choose a different 10:54.100 --> 10:58.280 license for that one because we can't, well, just because of the nature of it, there's a few 10:58.280 --> 11:03.580 exceptions. So just look, we always put some sort of creative commons license because I very much 11:03.580 --> 11:08.420 like that licensing system on all of the projects that we do. So all you got to do is look for that 11:08.420 --> 11:14.920 creative commons link. But in general, here's the short version. You can take just about anything 11:14.920 --> 11:21.240 we do. You can share the radio show, burn it to CD, put it on your own radio server, make a mirror of 11:21.240 --> 11:27.320 it. Uh, what, you know, pretty much anything that you want to do with it, uh, articles, stuff you find, 11:27.420 --> 11:33.120 et cetera. It's pretty much the same. All that we ask is that a don't charge money for it. We don't 11:33.120 --> 11:37.840 make any money off of it. We don't charge money for, for anything. Well, the magazine, but we don't charge 11:37.840 --> 11:42.420 money for the radio show or anything like that or our sites, the magazine pays for that. So that's 11:42.420 --> 11:47.000 the way we get money back in to pay for these other things. So we're not making any money off of these 11:47.000 --> 11:51.640 other projects that we do. So we don't want someone else capitalizing on it either. I don't want to 11:51.640 --> 11:57.340 see these turn up on one of those, uh, what do they call them? Hacking 2005. Oh, you wanted to know 11:57.340 --> 12:02.220 about hacking now, now, now. If you, if I see this for sale on eBay, I'm going to get pissed. 12:02.220 --> 12:08.080 Hacking DVD features BinRev and... Yeah, with all of the episodes of BinRev and default and 12:08.080 --> 12:12.560 everything else all on one DVD and they're going to sell it for like a dollar. See, my feelings would 12:12.560 --> 12:18.520 be hurt if we didn't get like two bucks for it. All of our work, only two bucks. So don't sell it and 12:18.520 --> 12:24.700 just don't chop our name off and claim it as your own. You know, don't turn it into your own show and 12:24.700 --> 12:29.320 here's me talking and you just change the name. Don't do anything like that. That's all we ever ask. 12:29.320 --> 12:35.120 That's it. Very simple. Stream it, copy it, use it on your websites, point to us. We want people 12:35.120 --> 12:39.040 to hear the show. That's why we make the show so that we can get people listening to it. So 12:39.040 --> 12:47.480 by all means, help yourself. Um, and I, and I'm not positive about this because like I said, 12:47.540 --> 12:53.000 my email's kind of been rough these last, this last week or so, but I think this is the same person 12:53.000 --> 12:58.740 who emailed me, I think I'm from a different name, uh, about putting up magnet links for the radio show. 12:59.320 --> 13:04.560 And he posted, it might've been the same guy that posted them in the forums. Um, now I appreciate 13:04.560 --> 13:09.940 the gesture and everything, but we just switched to a new server. We just got a bunch more bandwidth. 13:10.140 --> 13:13.580 And that's really one of the reasons we were really patched together, borrowing bandwidth, 13:13.780 --> 13:19.960 using mirrors, et cetera. So now we're back in a situation where we should have plenty of 13:19.960 --> 13:26.180 bandwidth to take care of that. Still, it might be something we will do in the future if we do run 13:26.180 --> 13:30.240 into a bandwidth crisis of some sort. But for now, I think we're going to stick with using our own 13:30.240 --> 13:37.040 servers and using mirrors from other people, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Because all these 13:37.040 --> 13:42.620 magnet links and the different peer to peer links, uh, even BitTorrent, quite honestly, I'm leaning 13:42.620 --> 13:49.080 towards not using BitTorrent again for HackTV this time. It's just, I'm not sure that I like the idea of 13:49.080 --> 13:54.000 making someone have to install a client on their system to download the show. I'd rather try to do it 13:54.000 --> 13:58.480 where they just click on it and download it with their browser. That's it. That's simple. Because 13:58.480 --> 14:03.720 some of our users, sure, they're not only technically proficient, they're hardcore hackers 14:03.720 --> 14:07.780 that can do all this. But at the same time, some of our listeners, I don't want to have to make them 14:07.780 --> 14:12.280 jump through hoops and stuff like that. I want it to be easy and accessible. I want to get new listeners 14:12.280 --> 14:18.560 and new people join the hacking scene. And I think you feel me on that. We're going to talk about that 14:18.560 --> 14:23.040 some later. But you know what? I'm just trying to make it easy and consistent from, 14:23.040 --> 14:32.000 for everyone. So maybe for HackTV, since it's such a huge file, since it's large file, I might 14:32.000 --> 14:38.000 work out a couple different links. Maybe I'll put magnet links, e-donkey links, whatever, 14:38.480 --> 14:43.500 in addition to a direct download. So those people who do know how to use it will help us out by, 14:43.500 --> 14:48.000 you know, using those instead of eating our bandwidth. But the users who don't have those 14:48.000 --> 14:52.300 clients or don't want those clients can still download it. But for the radio show itself, 14:52.360 --> 14:57.980 they're just so small and, you know, 10 to 15 megs each. Actually, they're all pretty close to 15. 14:58.760 --> 15:04.680 So that I think we can handle. We'll see what we do with the radio show, or I mean with the TV show. 15:07.980 --> 15:12.160 Alrighty, how about email number two? Yeah, we're only on number two. Wow. 15:12.160 --> 15:15.560 Boy, I don't know if we're going to make it through this whole show. This is going to be an 15:15.560 --> 15:20.400 all-email show, dude. Seriously. We got way behind last week. This is what happens. 15:21.280 --> 15:25.160 Open to email. Yeah, email two. The useless boxer says, 15:25.720 --> 15:30.820 Hey, Stank, I've been listening to your stuff at work. Taught me a lot. A couple of shows ago, 15:30.880 --> 15:37.380 you mentioned a kid possibly failing out of school due to listening to your show. Well, I got fired. 15:37.380 --> 15:45.240 Holy cow. I got fired for watching hack TV at work. Oh, that's not cool. 15:46.000 --> 15:46.400 What? 15:46.940 --> 15:51.460 That's not cool at all. Hold on. Wait a minute. That's just because I was screwing around a lot 15:51.460 --> 15:56.100 lately and listening to tons of hacker radio. Oh, great. That makes me feel better. Cool stuff. 15:56.180 --> 15:59.120 I'm fine anyways. Making enough money to get by anyways. 15:59.120 --> 16:06.760 Let me skip ahead. The freezing the hard drive game. You freeze a hard drive. Now, 16:07.060 --> 16:10.460 he's replying to, we were talking about the whole myth about freezing your hard drive, 16:10.540 --> 16:12.460 whether it's true or not. Oh, okay. 16:12.560 --> 16:18.900 Yeah, here's another version. This is such an urban legend. I have no idea if this works or not. 16:19.320 --> 16:23.740 The freezing the hard drive game. You freeze a hard drive when you are losing a bearing in the hard drive. 16:23.740 --> 16:28.440 Losing a bearing in the hard drive. This has to do with the way that bearings work. It will allow you 16:28.440 --> 16:34.100 to spin it long enough to get a little bit of crucial data off. You have to know how and when 16:34.100 --> 16:39.780 to apply this technique, though. It will not save you in every situation. Works best in Linux. 16:41.280 --> 16:47.120 How can that matter if it's a ball bearing problem? Anyway, make sure you use a Ziploc freezer bag 16:47.120 --> 16:53.580 for that hard drive just so that the hard drive does not get wet. This also works for batteries, 16:53.720 --> 16:57.140 magic markers, and cigarettes. I didn't know those things had ball bearings. 16:59.700 --> 17:04.580 Anyway, thanks for reading the mail gang, props to Stank Voodoo, and the rest of the DDP gang. 17:05.020 --> 17:05.340 Word. 17:07.060 --> 17:14.140 Alright, um, I don't know where to, I don't know how it would work any better in Linux if it's something 17:14.140 --> 17:19.180 hardware about the ball bearings. But, you know, I, I'm kind of, I'm already kind of 17:19.180 --> 17:22.660 throwing. I mean, this dude got fired because of me? That's not cool. 17:23.840 --> 17:25.200 You're getting people fired. 17:25.400 --> 17:29.340 I'm getting, I got kids flunking out of school, thanks to me. Actually, he said he's not. 17:29.400 --> 17:34.860 He promised me he wasn't. But, I gotta worry about kids dropping or flunking out of school 17:34.860 --> 17:42.180 or getting in trouble. This dude got fired? Come on. Dude, way to, what a downer. Way to bring 17:42.180 --> 17:49.020 down the show, man. Thanks a lot to Useless Boxer. Man, I don't, I just, I quit. I don't 17:49.020 --> 17:53.320 want to do, I don't even want to do the show anymore now. I just, I want to cry. I want 17:53.320 --> 17:56.320 to go to a corner somewhere and just cry. I'm a terrible human being. 17:56.820 --> 17:57.720 That's messed up. 17:58.200 --> 18:02.700 I, I can't, I don't know. You, do you know anything about this freezing the hard drive? 18:02.780 --> 18:04.980 You talk, because I'm, I think I need a moment. 18:05.480 --> 18:07.660 I don't know anything about freezing hard drives, bro. 18:07.660 --> 18:10.500 Well, go to, go to the next email or something. I don't know. 18:10.940 --> 18:16.080 All right, fine. I'll read the next email. This is from Kill Raffi or Kill Raffi. Uh, he 18:16.080 --> 18:21.500 says, hello, Voodoo Howe slash Stank Dog. Um, I'm not Voodoo Howe, but I nearly feel, or 18:21.500 --> 18:24.880 not thinking about fell, I nearly fell off the couch while listening to this episode. Why? 18:25.000 --> 18:30.560 While I was laid there on the couch looking at my prawn on my tail axum X3, which is actually 18:30.560 --> 18:34.500 where I'm reading this email from right now. That's a weird coincidence, but I heard that you 18:34.500 --> 18:39.980 were doing the same, and if that wasn't enough, what was, had followed me in stitches. Uh, 18:40.360 --> 18:44.320 I, too, have enjoyed some quality interweb time while in the bathroom, and thought how 18:44.320 --> 18:50.140 it was leet it be to get some hacking, as I intended to call off nature, worshiping you 18:50.140 --> 18:53.460 sirs or pioneers. Is this guy from the country? 18:53.980 --> 18:54.600 I don't know. 18:55.280 --> 19:01.020 Okay. As for the rest of the show, OmniScan. I hope you make the DEF CON this year and meet 19:01.020 --> 19:05.540 you guys again. I ran into Stank at the Fifth Hope in the elevator for the hardest working 19:05.540 --> 19:10.860 guy in the hacker. Infotainment. Enjoy your break, and you deserve it, and keep it up. 19:10.920 --> 19:17.120 OmniScan. P.S. Thanks to also Epiphany and Johnny Lightning for the un... Ah, see, I'm reading 19:17.120 --> 19:18.720 this on my Dell, and it won't scroll down now. 19:19.100 --> 19:24.640 For, let's see, for unwittingly hooking me on to Binrev and Binrev... Oh, listen to this, 19:24.680 --> 19:29.920 and Binrev to default, and default to Rant Radio. OmniScan. What is this OmniScan over and 19:29.920 --> 19:36.720 over again? I think that's his name. I thought his name was Kilrathi. Kilrathi. Maybe he goes 19:36.720 --> 19:41.320 by both. Yeah, but he's throwing it in the middle of the... Maybe he's just repeating 19:41.320 --> 19:47.760 his name to try to get... I don't know what he's trying. Oh, man. All right, I guess I'm 19:47.760 --> 19:51.580 back in the show now. I'm over-recovered from that guy getting fired. You feeling better? 19:51.860 --> 19:55.900 Yeah, well, he shouldn't be watching Hack TV at work, dammit. That's true, you know. 19:56.000 --> 19:59.680 I mean, that's his problem. Yeah, I'm glad you're watching it at all, but not at work. 20:00.740 --> 20:04.860 I'll give shout-outs to Johnny Lightning and Epiphany. I have not given them shout-outs 20:04.860 --> 20:08.500 in quite a while. I haven't talked to them in quite a while, actually, but shout-outs to 20:08.500 --> 20:16.320 those guys. And yeah, warshitting, I think that's one of the greatest ideas ever. I mean, 20:16.500 --> 20:20.940 at least... It's a great name. Yeah, at least it's a great label. It's a great idea, because 20:20.940 --> 20:24.780 you know what? When you say warshitting, even though it's something we just made up, and 20:24.780 --> 20:28.760 actually, I should say Voodoo Howe, I think, made that up. When you just say it to somebody, 20:28.760 --> 20:31.980 even though they've never heard the word before, they pretty much know what you mean. 20:33.320 --> 20:35.740 Actually, it could sound... That sounds like a violent... Well, never mind. 20:37.060 --> 20:40.680 It sounds like it could be pretty messy, I guess, if you use it in a different terminology. 20:40.900 --> 20:44.540 But, as long as you preface it with a PDA, I think you're set. 20:44.540 --> 20:50.520 But the scary thing is, if warshooting is the best we've come up with, where does that 20:50.520 --> 20:56.940 place us in the timeline of hacking history and creations? I mean, it's not exactly back 20:56.940 --> 21:01.440 orifice or anything now, is it? Oh, wait a minute. I guess in a way it kind of is... 21:01.440 --> 21:06.400 Oh, man. This is taking a bad turn. Okay, well... 21:06.400 --> 21:07.100 Let's move on. 21:07.100 --> 21:13.920 Yeah, let's move on from that. Let's see. How about an email from The Outsider? 21:14.980 --> 21:18.360 Yeah, let's recover from that. That was a disaster of an email. Let's recover from that one. 21:18.740 --> 21:19.620 The Outsider says, 21:19.740 --> 21:20.340 Hey, Stank. 21:21.240 --> 21:22.420 Been... Hey, Outsider. 21:23.140 --> 21:25.360 Been listening to your show for a couple of months now. 21:25.680 --> 21:27.760 I should start talking back like they're really here. 21:28.560 --> 21:32.100 Been listening to your show for a couple of months now, and I've been hooked since the first 21:32.100 --> 21:33.160 one I listened to. 21:33.160 --> 21:37.680 Well, I'm going to get straight to the point. Thank you. Me and my friends are very interested 21:37.680 --> 21:42.300 in starting a tech-based internet radio show. Hey, join the crowd. 21:43.100 --> 21:43.640 Join the crowd. 21:43.780 --> 21:46.480 Yeah, you're only number like five million in line. 21:47.740 --> 21:52.080 The only thing holding us back is we really don't know where to start. We really only have 21:52.080 --> 21:56.800 limited time to spend on it, like the weekends and a little time after school. I was just wondering 21:56.800 --> 22:01.980 if you had any pointers or tips to help get us started. I know you're a busy man, but if you 22:01.980 --> 22:04.900 could find the time to write me back, I would really appreciate it. 22:06.480 --> 22:12.260 Well, sorry. I don't have time to write you back. I don't mean to be a dick, but I'll 22:12.260 --> 22:15.020 read it on the air and give you your answer, so hopefully you listen to the show, you'll 22:15.020 --> 22:19.340 get it. If you don't listen to the show, then piss on you. What can I say? 22:21.200 --> 22:23.460 Then go Google. I mean, I don't know what to tell you. 22:23.460 --> 22:29.520 But honestly, there's a ton of information out there. I mean, we've done episodes of 22:29.520 --> 22:35.700 the show. Other people have given presentations. I mean, I'm surprised. I do still get regular 22:35.700 --> 22:42.400 emails. I get an email every week or two about this very topic. So all I can do is, A, point 22:42.400 --> 22:48.640 you to the BinRev forums, forums.binrev.com. There's a whole section just for hacker media, 22:48.640 --> 22:53.660 hacker radio, hacker TV, whatever. All different hacker media, and there's tons of information 22:53.660 --> 22:58.720 in there. There's how-tos. There's people talking about their shows and how they've done 22:58.720 --> 23:04.500 them, and everybody does it a little bit different. As far as how we do this show, I'm still doing 23:04.500 --> 23:09.560 it the same way I've always done it. You can go back and listen to episode, let's see, what 23:09.560 --> 23:15.500 was it? Episode 7 of Binary Revolution Radio. We're on 82 now. You can go back to 7, and 23:15.500 --> 23:21.100 the episode, the main topic of that episode was how to do the show. Because even though 23:21.100 --> 23:26.040 it was episode 7 of BinRev Radio, we had done RFA, Radio Freak America, for several years. 23:26.460 --> 23:32.080 So when BinRev came up, we did a how-to show. And there are, like I said earlier, there are 23:32.080 --> 23:36.300 a lot of shows out there now. A lot of hacker shows, a lot of non-hacker shows, and that's 23:36.300 --> 23:43.480 fantastic. You're joining a bunch of other people and doing similar information. So welcome 23:43.480 --> 23:50.120 them, and good luck to you, but I don't know if you realize what a commitment it is to 23:50.120 --> 23:57.140 do, well. It really is a big commitment. To do a good show. Yes. Yeah. It really is. 23:57.180 --> 24:03.240 I mean, anybody can do a show. You know? But to do a good show, it does take time. I mean, 24:03.300 --> 24:08.980 you know that. You've been default. I mean, I know we joke about it all the time because it 24:08.980 --> 24:13.880 was a fun show, but there was work put into that show. There was time put into that show. 24:14.000 --> 24:19.680 There was really, you know, it takes time to make. It was a good show, and even though 24:19.680 --> 24:23.860 it was lighthearted, it was good and still had just as much time put into it as a lot 24:23.860 --> 24:30.060 of the other good shows that are out there. So... Yeah. Doing a radio show is a huge pain, 24:30.200 --> 24:33.540 and it's only something you want to do. If you really, really want to do it, and it's really 24:33.540 --> 24:38.840 your thing, then go out and do it. Yeah. And not to discourage you or anything, but give 24:38.840 --> 24:43.780 it a shot and see what you think and see if you can come up with material and be consistent 24:43.780 --> 24:49.340 and stuff like that. And, you know, that's the best advice I can give you. You can also 24:49.340 --> 24:54.720 check out, I should have mentioned this too, Slip Mode. You know, one of my good friends, 24:54.780 --> 24:59.540 Slip Mode, he gave a whole presentation at the Fifth Hope in New York City last year. 24:59.540 --> 25:05.760 We... Actually, we both spoke at this presentation as dual parallel on it, as well as myself. 25:06.200 --> 25:11.540 But this was mostly Slip Mode's presentation at the Fifth Hope, and the title was Hacker 25:11.540 --> 25:18.400 Radio. That was the name of it. And he aired this on his radio show as Episode 56. So you 25:18.400 --> 25:26.360 can go over to his website, which is slipnet.org, S-L-I-P-N-E-T dot org, and go to Episode 56 25:26.360 --> 25:31.660 and his archives and download it and listen to it. It's his presentation. And he also 25:31.660 --> 25:36.980 has, when I say it's his audio from the presentation, and he also puts up the slides. The slides are 25:36.980 --> 25:41.220 available as well. And it has the links, has the names of the software, it has all that 25:41.220 --> 25:44.860 information in it. So check that out. That's a great resource. 25:45.780 --> 25:50.600 Yeah, that's something you definitely should listen to. Also, me and Kizzle, a while back 25:50.600 --> 25:55.600 earlier this summer, we did an episode of Uberlito with him that was called Radio Show Tips. 25:55.600 --> 25:58.900 It was pretty much a beginner's guide to doing an internet radio show. 26:00.140 --> 26:04.560 And you know what? Maybe if we have time, let's do that. Let's make that our main topic 26:04.560 --> 26:10.160 if we get to a main topic today. Let's talk about how we've, some of the experiences we've 26:10.160 --> 26:14.620 had and maybe do a little recap. I can't do a full hour episode like we've done in the 26:14.620 --> 26:17.920 past, but we can bring people up to speed, I think, right? 26:18.540 --> 26:18.860 Right. 26:19.180 --> 26:23.460 All right. Let's try to squeeze that in later. Let me see how we're doing here. Yeah, we can 26:23.460 --> 26:29.940 do that. We can fit that in. Okay. So yeah, that's it. And you know, and also I should 26:29.940 --> 26:36.800 say this now too, just because a lot of people probably think I'm a total dick. And I am, 26:36.860 --> 26:41.980 don't get me wrong. I can be, don't get me wrong. But a lot of people, if I'm going to 26:41.980 --> 26:46.860 be called a dick, I want to earn it. So don't think I'm a dick if I don't email you back directly. 26:46.860 --> 26:52.060 That's all I'm saying. I get a lot of email and I do try to email as many people back 26:52.060 --> 26:57.260 as I can. But I'd rather come and read them on the show, especially an email like this 26:57.260 --> 27:02.280 that I think a lot of people have the same or similar questions. So I'm reading this gentleman, 27:02.540 --> 27:05.640 they'll see, well, who was it? The outsider. I assume it's a gentleman or a gentlewoman, 27:05.760 --> 27:09.820 whatever. The outsider here, I'm reading it on the air, hoping to give you your answer 27:09.820 --> 27:13.700 better. So don't think I'm a dick because I didn't write back to you directly. But anybody 27:13.700 --> 27:18.740 in general, I can't always write everybody back. And I don't check private messages in 27:18.740 --> 27:25.120 the forums. I think Black Ratchet told me that people were PMing me and saying I wasn't 27:25.120 --> 27:31.520 getting back to them because I don't, I really am avoiding the forums. I always just get attacked 27:31.520 --> 27:35.820 and called a dick every time I go on my own forum. So I'm avoiding those as well. I go into 27:35.820 --> 27:36.100 the... 27:36.100 --> 27:36.640 Isn't that sad? 27:36.920 --> 27:37.300 It is. 27:37.600 --> 27:41.360 You start up this great forums and community and you can't even go on it. 27:41.360 --> 27:43.820 I, it, yeah, I do feel sad. 27:43.820 --> 27:45.180 It's like not being welcomed in your own house. 27:45.260 --> 27:49.900 It is. It is. I do feel sad sometimes, but you know what? It is what it is. I'm in a 27:49.900 --> 27:56.240 catch-22 here though, Doug. I mean, honestly, I, if I go in there and see the thing is when 27:56.240 --> 28:01.880 we started, everybody was friendly and nice to each other and it was a nice, helpful community. 28:02.900 --> 28:07.940 And then as we grow, you have certain growing pains that come along with it. 28:07.940 --> 28:12.840 Well, we'd always support, you know, I still support free speech. We always have. I allow 28:12.840 --> 28:19.320 people to say what they want, even if it means calling me a dick. That's fine. But just constantly 28:19.320 --> 28:25.080 being a troublemaker for the sake of, some people think that's the way to get their name known 28:25.080 --> 28:28.840 or for people to respect them or something is to consistently do stuff like that. 28:28.840 --> 28:34.620 Yeah. And all that does is cause trouble. Now I'm in the catch-22 here where if I try 28:34.620 --> 28:39.700 to punish them, like give them a warning or ban them from the forums, or even they get 28:39.700 --> 28:44.180 mad if I just send a private message saying, would you please stop doing that? I get cussed 28:44.180 --> 28:49.700 at and then they go on IRC and they tell everybody what a dick I am and stuff like that. But at 28:49.700 --> 28:54.780 the same time, if I don't do anything about it, then I've got people that go in and say the 28:54.780 --> 29:00.540 forums have gone downhill and it used to be so great and now you suck and I can't win. 29:00.740 --> 29:06.180 I'm in a situation where I just, I can't win. I'm in a catch-22 and that's what really frustrates 29:06.180 --> 29:10.140 me more than anything. There you go. See, I wasn't going to rant on this show. I didn't 29:10.140 --> 29:15.200 expect for that to come out. But since we're on the subject, it does piss me off a little 29:15.200 --> 29:25.500 bit. A lot. I'm sweating right now. Really. I mean, anyway, I go into the members-only 29:25.500 --> 29:31.000 section of the forum where I communicate with the rest of DDP and we've got a lot of projects 29:31.000 --> 29:35.040 and stuff going on, et cetera, et cetera. So you might see my name on the list at the bottom 29:35.040 --> 29:40.740 or something. But, and if I do have some free time, I might pop into the general hacking 29:40.740 --> 29:45.320 forum or the new BHQ just to check on things. But for the most part, I'm not checking PMs. 29:45.360 --> 29:50.800 I'm not really following a lot of the threads. And, um, I'm letting the moderators handle most 29:50.800 --> 29:56.480 everything. So call them dicks, not me. Let somebody else take that title for a while. 29:58.540 --> 30:05.180 Oh, okay. Man, I seriously, I'm sweating. I got, I have entirely too many computers in this 30:05.180 --> 30:05.220 room. 30:05.220 --> 30:08.180 You know you're going to hear about this in the forum. Someone's going to post, oh, what do you 30:08.180 --> 30:13.480 think, dog? I know. How ironic. Dude, that is so ironic. Somebody's going to say, see, 30:13.520 --> 30:20.780 he really is a dick. Yep. Oh, well, you know what? Anybody who really knows me, I'm not 30:20.780 --> 30:24.900 even going to, you know what? Forget it. I'm a dick. Whatever. Fine. I'm a big, fat, hairy 30:24.900 --> 30:32.980 cock. I couldn't care less. Take that, take that and take that clip and loop it and make 30:32.980 --> 30:38.160 it into a rap song. I don't care what you do anymore. I swear to God, I really don't. 30:38.180 --> 30:42.060 I'm just, people like, I don't have time for people like that. I don't care. If that's 30:42.060 --> 30:46.900 what you're into and that's funny to you, you know what? Call me a cock, call me a dick, 30:47.020 --> 30:53.260 tell me how terrible I, my articles suck and whatever. Damn you, Doug, why did you pull 30:53.260 --> 30:55.980 me off into this tangent? This is your fault. 30:55.980 --> 31:02.060 Oh, man. I'm putting that in the sound clip. I'm a big, fat, hairy cock. 31:04.500 --> 31:07.820 Dude, now you're going to have me laughing the whole rest of the show. I don't care anymore. 31:07.900 --> 31:12.160 That's all right. I'll leave it in. It's fine. All right, let's go to, let's go on to another 31:12.160 --> 31:17.740 email. Oh, man, I messed up this email, too. I didn't put the person's name on it. 31:18.440 --> 31:19.260 Yeah, I noticed that. 31:19.260 --> 31:25.600 Oh, crap. All right, I'm going to make up a name. This is, um, this email comes from 31:25.600 --> 31:29.020 pigofdeath. That's my, that's my handle for this one. 31:29.740 --> 31:30.940 Sounds like everyone else's name. 31:31.020 --> 31:36.940 Yeah. I don't know. I just made it up. Pigofdeath says, I almost laughed, now I'm going to laugh 31:36.940 --> 31:41.780 the rest of the show. I almost laughed myself to death when hearing that term, war shitting. 31:41.780 --> 31:46.460 But if you expect it to enter the vernacular and be mentioned by other online sources, 31:47.620 --> 31:54.900 uh, badexamplenews.com, it may need some modification. I nominate war dumping. It sounds a little more 31:54.900 --> 31:59.620 technical as well. Thanks for the show. I'm still catching up on some of the old ones. Enjoy 31:59.620 --> 32:05.960 your time off, stank. Uh, well, time off. Yeah, we talked about that. I don't know if that's 32:05.960 --> 32:10.240 going to happen, if I can get somebody to take over or whatever. But, um, I don't know. I like 32:10.240 --> 32:14.560 war dumping. War dumping's got a good ring to it. But, war shitting just sounds funnier. 32:15.260 --> 32:19.080 And I don't think news.com or any other site's going to catch on either one of them, frankly. 32:20.720 --> 32:26.660 So, I mean, he said it was a bad example. But really, war shitting is, I don't know, 32:26.740 --> 32:31.560 that's trademark DDP, I guess. That's not going to mean any, people who don't listen to Bin 32:31.560 --> 32:38.520 Rev aren't ever going to get that, I guess. So, whatever. Um, okay, the next email. I'm going 32:38.520 --> 32:43.400 to make you read this email because, once again, I'm going to mispronounce somebody's 32:43.400 --> 32:47.780 name and be called a dick. So, I'm going to put you on the spot. 32:48.900 --> 32:55.700 Look as a date. Look as a date. I'm just going to say that's what it is. Uh, greetings from 32:55.700 --> 33:01.720 the UK. You didn't know me, Stank, but I listen to your show every week, uh, while working in 33:01.720 --> 33:05.860 my shitty job. I just want to let you know that the DDP and everyone is appreciated here. 33:05.860 --> 33:12.060 Keep up the good work. Wow, that's very cool. Very, I appreciate that. And I always love 33:12.060 --> 33:17.500 hearing from other countries, by the way. Everybody knows that. But, I hope you still 33:17.500 --> 33:20.600 feel that after Doug just screwed your name up right there, probably. 33:21.720 --> 33:25.080 When people have handles, they should put in parentheses and just show the pronunciation 33:25.080 --> 33:30.380 of it. Right, pronunciation key, like with the little underscore symbols and, you know. 33:30.380 --> 33:35.520 Yeah. So, I know what's a long, look, L-O-O-K. I'm going to spell it. I'm going to spell 33:35.520 --> 33:42.720 his handle on the air. L-O-O-K-A-Z-A-D-E. All right? So, email me. 33:42.720 --> 33:45.000 Look as a date. We're going to make, yeah, we're going to make this a, we're going to make 33:45.000 --> 33:52.640 this a contest. I'm saying, look, look, look as a, look as a, look as a, look as a, okay. 33:52.640 --> 33:57.980 We'll make this a little contest. Email us, radio at binrev.com, with what you think the 33:57.980 --> 34:02.980 proper pronunciation is. You can use the little pronunciation symbols, you can record a WAV 34:02.980 --> 34:07.700 file, whatever. And let's see, you'll see how easy it is. Actually, you know what? This 34:07.700 --> 34:10.160 will be the one that I actually fucking got right for a change. 34:11.920 --> 34:13.220 I'm thinking it's L-O-K-A-Z-A-D. 34:13.800 --> 34:17.400 It's got to be. I don't know what the reference is. So, L-O-K-A-Z-A-D, email us, correct us, 34:17.460 --> 34:18.400 tell us what that's about. 34:18.400 --> 34:27.180 Oh, okay. Next email comes from Cypress. Cypress says, I have been listening to your 34:27.180 --> 34:31.620 show for a couple of days now, and you can call me an addict. All right, you're an addict. 34:32.480 --> 34:38.420 Anyway, I hear you say at least, I have, I have heard you say at least five times in 34:38.420 --> 34:42.280 six shows. Have you noticed that reading isn't our strong point tonight? 34:43.480 --> 34:47.600 It's never my strong point. I can't read people's emails. It's always, 34:47.600 --> 34:52.280 well, you're on a PDA. You have an excuse. I can let you get by with it. Me, I'm just 34:52.280 --> 34:58.900 illiterate. I have heard you say at least five times in six shows saying that Gmail FS, 34:59.260 --> 35:04.040 which is Gmail file system, is down and is not working. However, I have it, and it is 35:04.040 --> 35:08.660 still working without any problem or issue. I don't know if I am a lucky guy or if Gmail 35:08.660 --> 35:14.120 FS somehow got through the block from Gmail. Anyway, I really enjoy all of your shows. 35:14.120 --> 35:17.680 Please release Hack TV episode two, exclamation, exclamation, exclamation. 35:20.200 --> 35:26.340 All right. All right, now, I think there's a little exaggeration. I don't think I've even 35:26.340 --> 35:31.660 mentioned it five out of six shows. I think that's a little exaggeration, but I mention 35:31.660 --> 35:37.440 it. Honestly, I never did get time to try it. I did. I created a couple accounts, a couple 35:37.440 --> 35:42.540 of Gmail accounts specifically to try it. I made up some names that would we be able to use, 35:42.540 --> 35:47.260 and I just never got around to it, frankly. So when I did mention it on the air, which 35:47.260 --> 35:52.560 I'll say maybe once or twice, well, maybe two or three times, and I guess it depends on 35:52.560 --> 35:58.240 what order you listen to some of the old shows in. But anyway, I was reading emails from people 35:58.240 --> 36:04.500 telling me that it didn't work for them anymore. So I don't know myself. You're telling me that 36:04.500 --> 36:09.240 it does. Other people have told me that it's not. I don't know if you are the lucky dog 36:09.240 --> 36:15.460 that yours is still working, or maybe everybody else got busted for doing something with it 36:15.460 --> 36:24.100 and got shut down. Maybe they screwed it up. I really don't know. Email us on this also, 36:24.200 --> 36:30.000 radio at binrev.com, and let us know, for those of you who are using it or have used it, does 36:30.000 --> 36:34.440 it still work for you? Did you get shut off? Do you know why? Do we have any more? I went 36:34.440 --> 36:40.960 to the website for this back when I got the last email, and it seems to me like I read 36:40.960 --> 36:46.940 a note on there from the author of gmailfs saying that it was not working anymore. But 36:46.940 --> 36:54.820 I don't know. Maybe he got it working again since then. You never know. So that's all I 36:54.820 --> 37:01.620 have to say about that. Not really much to add to that. Do you want anything on there? 37:02.540 --> 37:03.140 Oh, I'm good. 37:03.340 --> 37:03.520 Yeah. 37:06.100 --> 37:11.440 I'm good. All right. This one, this has got to be Chakotay, right? Isn't that a Star Trek 37:11.440 --> 37:11.680 reference? 37:11.680 --> 37:14.560 Yeah, Chakotay. He was on Star Trek Voyager. 37:14.760 --> 37:17.940 Yeah, he was the dude with the tattoo on his face, right? 37:17.940 --> 37:25.700 I don't know. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it was. He had like a maze or a connected dots or something 37:25.700 --> 37:27.120 on his face. I don't know. 37:27.260 --> 37:33.620 Yeah. All right. Chakotay says, voodoo, hal, and stank. And Doug. He says and Doug. I meant 37:33.620 --> 37:40.600 to typo there. Voodoo, hal, and stank. And Doug. Love the show. Feel free to read as much 37:40.600 --> 37:45.240 of this on the air as you'd like. Thank you. Okay, thanks, Evo. Yeah, thank you. There 37:45.240 --> 37:51.880 you go. Let's see. No. Comment on your review of the genuine Windows ActiveX article and its 37:51.880 --> 38:00.160 quote limitations. You both missed the larger picture. Microsoft has disclosed that they 38:00.160 --> 38:08.800 plan to make the quote genuine Windows verification mandatory for access to Windows update and 38:08.800 --> 38:14.880 download and their downloads, which I know we mentioned downloads. Let's see. Also, a note 38:14.880 --> 38:19.560 that Microsoft's anti-spyware tool is not an original Microsoft product. Hey, big surprise 38:19.560 --> 38:24.460 there. Continuing their tradition of if we can't make it, buy it, they purchased anti-spyware 38:24.460 --> 38:30.720 software maker, giant software, Google for it. And he did not tell me to Google for it, did 38:30.720 --> 38:36.760 he? He told me to Google for it in December 2004. So far, it's pretty good and has cleaned 38:36.760 --> 38:42.840 up a few crapware apps off of computers that I fix. When you do have the app do a deep 38:42.840 --> 38:47.600 scan of a network share, you're only scanning files on the drive, so it will not be able 38:47.600 --> 38:51.060 to properly clean apps that are currently loaded in memory on the remote PC nor will it scan 38:51.060 --> 38:55.260 the remote PC's registry, which I believe I said that on the show last week as well. 38:55.340 --> 39:02.180 Keep up the great work. Chakotay. Okay. Yeah, Microsoft buying or copying somebody instead 39:02.180 --> 39:06.180 of writing it themselves. Yeah, big surprise. Woohoo. Blockbuster announcement there. 39:08.480 --> 39:14.140 I could have sworn we mentioned that Windows Update was affected by this. Maybe I skimmed 39:14.140 --> 39:19.680 over it too fast or didn't emphasize it or whatever, but I really wasn't focusing on that. 39:19.780 --> 39:23.640 I mean, that's not political, I guess, but I really was looking more of the technical aspects 39:23.640 --> 39:28.960 of how it worked and how it, well, how it worked and some of the workarounds to get it 39:28.960 --> 39:31.980 to work and the things you could do with it and some of the ways you could get away 39:31.980 --> 39:39.400 with bypassing that genuine, quote, genuine Windows stuff in this particular case. I thought 39:39.400 --> 39:44.160 I had mentioned it, but maybe I did not, but it is absolutely a valid point. They're going 39:44.160 --> 39:50.200 to require that you have genuine Windows, genuine Windows, which means proven license. You have 39:50.200 --> 39:53.820 to enter in your license key, and I explained the process last week or two weeks ago. I know 39:53.820 --> 40:00.800 for sure. So, yeah, and I know for, maybe I read it on meme streams. I know there was 40:00.800 --> 40:10.560 a good discussion on meme streams, memestreams.net. I'm going to slow down because maybe I just 40:10.560 --> 40:16.800 talked too fast. I'm going to slow down to Mr. Rogers' speed. Can you say Mr. Rogers? 40:17.160 --> 40:17.640 I knew you could. 40:17.640 --> 40:19.240 Won't you be my neighbor? 40:19.480 --> 40:20.800 Won't you please be my neighbor? 40:21.060 --> 40:21.900 Won't you be my fairness? 40:21.900 --> 40:27.540 Oh, no. You're going to make me laugh again. Yeah, there was, on meme streams, I know there 40:27.540 --> 40:31.380 was a good long discussion about that very fact, and quite frankly, I'm going to throw 40:31.380 --> 40:35.920 this out to the audience. I'm not going to turn this into a discussion now. I'm going 40:35.920 --> 40:40.780 to throw it out there. Let's think about this and try to be open-minded. I know a lot of 40:40.780 --> 40:46.440 people hate Microsoft, and I strongly dislike a lot of Microsoft. There's a lot about Microsoft 40:46.440 --> 40:53.820 as well, but honestly, does Microsoft owe security updates to pirated copies of Windows? Do they 40:53.820 --> 40:59.380 have some obligation? Is there anything wrong with them making sure that valid licensed users 40:59.380 --> 41:03.640 get updates, and if you're not a valid licensed user, you don't get updates? Is there really 41:03.640 --> 41:05.300 anything inherently wrong with that? 41:05.300 --> 41:07.020 I don't really think so. 41:08.020 --> 41:11.880 Yeah, I don't, you know, I'd be interested. Let's see what the people say. Now, I realize 41:11.880 --> 41:19.320 there's some other things to consider. Like, I mean, is the problem with it that they're 41:19.320 --> 41:23.720 only supporting licensed copies of Windows? I mean, is that really the issue, what I just 41:23.720 --> 41:30.340 said, that do they owe support to unlicensed copies for some reason? You know, that's 41:30.340 --> 41:36.080 one point. Is that the case? Or are you more concerned about, like, how they go about it? 41:36.080 --> 41:42.060 I definitely explained two weeks ago on that episode the information that they gather, or 41:42.060 --> 41:49.260 at least they claim to gather, and I explained how they were supposedly using it. I even explained 41:49.260 --> 41:54.220 the potential danger of how that database may be innocent, but when combined with some 41:54.220 --> 41:58.520 of the other databases they have, they could put this giant data warehouse that links a 41:58.520 --> 42:04.580 lot of things together, which is a scary privacy implication. But, I mean, is that what 42:04.580 --> 42:08.340 you're, I'm not sure what, he didn't really say exactly why this is bad or what the point 42:08.340 --> 42:13.260 is. Is it because it's a privacy issue of what they collect on this individual on the 42:13.260 --> 42:17.220 global scale? Do you think that they do owe support to people who have pirated copies? 42:17.220 --> 42:21.300 I'm not sure, I'm going to leave that one open for debate, quite frankly. 42:22.040 --> 42:22.400 Right. 42:23.060 --> 42:29.300 I tend to agree with you, though. I very much tend to agree with you. I mean, let's see 42:29.300 --> 42:35.680 what people have to say about that one. Let's see if people are very animated about that one. 42:37.360 --> 42:43.080 And, let's just move on to another email. Let me see how are we doing here. Oh, man. 42:43.080 --> 42:47.100 Man. It's a lot of email. I told you this might be an all email show. Let's see. I'll 42:47.100 --> 42:53.520 try to speed it up here. Next email is from Belial, who says, Dear Mr. Dog, I am writing 42:53.520 --> 42:58.440 to say how much I appreciate the DDP's contribution to the hacker world. I'm not sure how else to 42:58.440 --> 43:05.660 put it. LOL. Just so, whoa. Just to sum it up in short about myself. Some of these things, 43:05.880 --> 43:10.520 now let me give myself a little bit of credit here. Some of my stumbling over words is because 43:10.520 --> 43:14.940 there are typos, and I'm trying to fix them on the fly. So, I'm not totally retarded. 43:16.040 --> 43:16.840 Just partially. 43:18.680 --> 43:25.380 Just to sum it up in short about myself. I was first introduced to computing at the age 43:25.380 --> 43:30.200 of three. My father, being a senior technician in a telecommunications company, took me to 43:30.200 --> 43:37.540 a local power and heating complex. There, period, there I saw my first mainframes and tape-loaded 43:37.540 --> 43:45.780 drives. Then, skipping forward to a few years to the age of six, I started coding in basic 43:45.780 --> 43:53.000 on my Amstrad. Is that a, I, if that's, I don't know what that is, honestly. I've never 43:53.000 --> 43:57.520 heard that before, unless it's a typo again. Amstrad? A-M-S-T-R-A-D? 43:58.380 --> 43:59.380 My Amstrad. 43:59.700 --> 44:02.840 You know what, dude? If that's, you've got me on that one. I've never heard of that before, 44:02.840 --> 44:09.520 so, props to you. I don't even know what it is. Being a refugee and not having a lot 44:09.520 --> 44:13.860 of money, I wasn't able to buy games, and hence, okay, so I'll give this guy a break 44:13.860 --> 44:17.960 since he might not be a native English speaker, maybe. Let's see. And hence, had to learn 44:17.960 --> 44:23.460 how to keep myself amused by making them. Not knowing that being able to read and write 44:23.460 --> 44:27.880 code at such a young age was something impressive, I continued to learn and mature through the 44:27.880 --> 44:33.120 various versions of operating systems that came about. So, to conclude my hacking life, 44:33.180 --> 44:38.240 I have to say that seeing my dad soldering and being given the opportunity to take apart 44:38.240 --> 44:45.000 phones and break stuff to see how they work gave me the, quote, bug, which bit me so deep 44:45.000 --> 44:50.060 and kept me going and learning. Now, I am a network engineer. I have to say that there is 44:50.060 --> 44:54.060 not a lot of hacking culture here in England. Wait a minute, England speaks English? What 44:54.060 --> 44:58.280 I am like, no, you just lost your credit with that. No, but he was an, okay, he was an 44:58.280 --> 45:04.420 immigrant, he was a refugee to England from, eh, whatever. At least, not much that I am 45:04.420 --> 45:12.240 aware of. Currently, me and a group of friends, a group of friends and I, how's that, Strom 45:12.240 --> 45:19.160 Carlson? Take that, buddy. Currently, me and a group of friends of mine are involved in 45:19.160 --> 45:25.720 starting an underground production company where we would promote and publicize underground 45:25.720 --> 45:31.800 work. This can include music, film, photography, and so on. I would love to integrate some sort 45:31.800 --> 45:41.480 of hacking influence on this. The URL is www.frostyproductions.com. The idea was a development 45:41.480 --> 45:46.360 of a few other ideas I was involved with. Some were popular and mutated into other things and 45:46.360 --> 45:52.660 some just died out. Anyways, here I am writing this at 5 a.m. listening to one of the shows 45:52.660 --> 45:59.040 thinking about what I was going to say, lol. Should I read those lols out loud? No, I don't 45:59.040 --> 46:03.860 think you should. That sounds pretty dumb. So, I'm trying to read through these typos 46:03.860 --> 46:07.920 here. So, as a summary, I would like, are you reading along with this with me, by the 46:07.920 --> 46:11.400 way? Yes, I am reading along with you. Okay, you appreciate the changes I'm making on the 46:11.400 --> 46:16.780 fly, even if the listeners don't. So, as a summary, I would like to know if there are 46:16.780 --> 46:24.000 any underground hacking groups that you know of from London. If, from London, period. If 46:24.000 --> 46:29.180 not, well, if they're underground, I wouldn't know about them. But, if not, what kind of 46:29.180 --> 46:35.200 things do you think would be nice to get something rolling over here? So, it would be great if I 46:35.200 --> 46:39.400 could get some ideas, however crazy or whatever they are, I would really like to be able to 46:39.400 --> 46:45.820 get some ideas as how, quote, alive the hackers in England are. Have been browsing through 46:45.820 --> 46:51.500 a few UK hacking forums, but nothing really substantial came out of it. I hope to hear 46:51.500 --> 47:00.440 from you. I know you are a busy stank. I'm a busy stank. You see that? I am a busy stank. 47:00.660 --> 47:07.160 I know you are busy stank. Keep it real. Keep it digital. All right, Belisle, thank you 47:07.160 --> 47:17.040 for the email. I actually get quite a bit of email from the UK. So, I'm not sure if 47:17.040 --> 47:21.260 you're quite accurate in saying that it's not an active scene over there, that they're 47:21.260 --> 47:25.500 not, quote, alive as you put it. You might be surprised. There might be a pretty large 47:25.500 --> 47:31.980 scene. You just got to keep looking for it. And maybe this, me reading this email, maybe 47:31.980 --> 47:36.640 that will help get some interest and put people in contact. Come to the forum. I know 47:36.640 --> 47:44.400 there are people in the forums from the UK. And, you know, I don't, Doug, tell me what 47:44.400 --> 47:49.300 your opinion is on this because I've gotten some emails of people saying they don't like 47:49.300 --> 47:54.280 the 2600 meeting. They don't like their DEFCON meeting or blah, blah, blah, everybody. And 47:54.280 --> 47:58.940 people are always asking about starting BINREV meetings. And I've always just said there's 47:58.940 --> 48:02.940 not really a need because you have 2600 meetings. You have DEFCON. 48:02.940 --> 48:07.060 That's what I'm thinking. There's not really a need. You have your DEFCON and 2600 local 48:07.060 --> 48:11.580 meetings. And why would you want to start another meeting? Is it because someone else is in 48:11.580 --> 48:15.960 charge and you want to be in charge? This doesn't make any sense to me because they don't like 48:15.960 --> 48:17.280 2600, you know? I don't... 48:17.280 --> 48:25.680 Well, I mean, maybe some people do get ostracized from a meeting and perhaps unfairly so. So 48:25.680 --> 48:28.740 I can see that. But then again, like I said, you have two meetings. You usually have two 48:28.740 --> 48:33.760 meetings and some of the larger cities have even more than that. You know, your 2600 meetings 48:33.760 --> 48:38.260 generally are more social. You're meeting in a mall or in a public place, usually in a 48:38.260 --> 48:42.920 mall. You're hanging out. You're eating. It's more social club talking about tech and stuff 48:42.920 --> 48:47.800 like that. Maybe some presentations, which is all good. The DEFCON meetings, on the other 48:47.800 --> 48:52.640 hand, are usually less approachable. I won't say unapproachable, but less approachable. 48:53.020 --> 48:57.680 A little bit more difficult to find because they're, I won't say more underground, but 48:57.680 --> 49:01.040 they're not always in public places. They're usually run by people that have been in the 49:01.040 --> 49:05.220 scene for a while. It's a little bit intimidating, I guess, for lack of a better word. 49:05.820 --> 49:06.100 Right. 49:06.440 --> 49:11.720 So, I mean, I do kind of think maybe BinRev meetings should be something in between because 49:11.720 --> 49:17.460 I'm always pushing my 2600 group way too hard to hear them talk, apparently. I'm a 49:17.460 --> 49:23.080 Nazi about it, but to present more often. But again, it's more of a social meeting. 49:23.260 --> 49:28.120 And at the DEFCON, you know, we do present things more, but it's a little bit harder to 49:28.120 --> 49:33.700 find and get to the locations and stuff like that. I could see somewhat of the need, but 49:33.700 --> 49:40.860 I just don't know if it's enough interest. Maybe I should allow people to start them 49:40.860 --> 49:44.180 and, like, I can stop them, first of all. Like, allow nothing. 49:44.740 --> 49:51.440 But maybe I can endorse and try to help people get these things started just to have another 49:51.440 --> 49:55.840 option out there. I don't know. I really don't know how to feel about this. I've gotten a 49:55.840 --> 50:01.260 lot of people requesting it or asking about it. I don't know what to feel. I really don't. 50:03.000 --> 50:07.780 I mean, what I'll do is I'll go on the record and say this. If you want to start a new meeting, 50:07.780 --> 50:12.620 a new hacker meeting or whatever, and call it a BINREV meeting or a Binary Revolution meeting, 50:13.340 --> 50:19.580 fine. You have my blessing. I'll support it. I will mention it on the radio show. I'll give you 50:19.580 --> 50:24.140 links on the site. I may even set up a site for you if I get enough interest, if enough different 50:24.140 --> 50:30.500 places want to start them. I'll put up a BINREVmeetings.com or something. I mean, that's 50:30.500 --> 50:35.200 nothing. That's no skin off my back. I'll put up a CMS and let you guys post your notes and 50:35.200 --> 50:39.680 directions and stuff like that in one central area. That's one thing. I'll say that. That's 50:39.680 --> 50:43.080 another thing I don't like about a lot of the meetings. A lot of them, they don't update 50:43.080 --> 50:47.800 their websites. If they even have websites at all, you don't even know if they're alive 50:47.800 --> 50:53.760 or dead because they never update if they do have a website. 2600 and DEFCON and stuff, 50:53.820 --> 50:57.760 it's not like they keep their sites up and maintained and listings complete and everything 50:57.760 --> 51:02.080 like that. So that's a drawback. A lot of people won't show up or won't bother to go because 51:02.080 --> 51:07.160 they don't think it exists anymore. So I would be willing to set up a site if there's enough 51:07.160 --> 51:12.540 people interested in it. Or maybe just set up a subdomain, meetings.BINREV.com. I don't 51:12.540 --> 51:17.160 know. I'm just throwing out ideas. If people are really interested in that, if I get a couple 51:17.160 --> 51:21.720 more emails of people that say they're serious and they're going to take the responsibility 51:21.720 --> 51:24.440 of organizing and stuff, I'll give those my blessing. 51:25.540 --> 51:29.400 Yeah, I think it could be a really good idea. Just don't schedule it to piss other people 51:29.400 --> 51:32.060 off the same day as a DEFCON or a 2600 meeting. 51:32.340 --> 51:36.760 Yeah, it's not a competition thing. And that's something that we were very careful of down 51:36.760 --> 51:41.900 here where I'm at. We have our DC305 meeting, but we make sure it's not on the same day. 51:42.220 --> 51:46.940 We have quite a few people overlap. There are several people like myself that go to both. 51:47.920 --> 51:54.420 El Diablo and I both kind of took the initiative to... Well, he started the DEFCON meeting, but 51:54.420 --> 51:58.140 we both work together to kind of really push it now and get it more regular and going 51:58.140 --> 52:04.620 all the time. So, it's not a competition thing at all. You can go to both or all three meetings 52:04.620 --> 52:09.300 if you start a BINREV meeting. It's not about that at all. But yes, don't be a dick and start 52:09.300 --> 52:10.420 turning it into a war. 52:11.480 --> 52:11.840 Yeah. 52:12.500 --> 52:18.660 You know, because then, like 2600 will hate me. And I don't want that. I don't want Emmanuel 52:18.660 --> 52:23.660 calling me and yelling at me like he ever calls anybody back. But that's a whole other 52:23.660 --> 52:24.220 story. 52:25.340 --> 52:32.600 Yeah, I said it. What? I went there. I don't give a fuck. Anyway, my friend needed help and 52:32.600 --> 52:39.440 he didn't call me back. I don't give a fuck. Anyway, that might not make it to air. 52:40.400 --> 52:42.220 Who says you don't give out freedom of speech? 52:42.220 --> 52:50.720 Exactly. He let me down. I was disappointed. But anyway. Let's do, okay, our last email. 52:50.840 --> 52:53.980 Holy crap, this might be the whole show. Of course it's our last email. Now we've got 52:53.980 --> 53:00.040 time. We're all right. Our last email comes from White Fly. F-L-Y-E. Put that little 53:00.040 --> 53:06.360 E on the end. I like that. That's a nice little touch. White Fly. I give you the best handle 53:06.360 --> 53:11.960 of the night award. White Fly says, hello, I just thought I would drop you a line and 53:11.960 --> 53:16.560 welcome you as the new host of Binary Revolution Radio. Oh, wait a minute. That's not... 53:16.560 --> 53:20.720 Okay, how about you read this and pretend that I didn't... Start over. This one's yours. 53:21.460 --> 53:22.100 This one's mine? 53:22.220 --> 53:25.900 Yeah, I'll stall for a minute while you scroll down to your PDA and find the one from White 53:25.900 --> 53:30.020 Fly and I'll just fill the radio with, you know, jibber jabber or whatever we want to 53:30.020 --> 53:31.900 talk about until you find it. 53:32.420 --> 53:34.300 Well, I found it, but why do you want me to read this? 53:34.300 --> 53:35.760 Well, read the first line again. 53:36.480 --> 53:39.740 All right. Hello, I just thought I would drop you a line and welcome you as the new host 53:39.740 --> 53:43.640 of Binary Revolution Radio, which thank the best of luck in current endovers. 53:43.780 --> 53:46.280 Yeah, because I'm supposed to... He thinks I'm gone because I announced that I wouldn't 53:46.280 --> 53:46.680 be here. 53:47.240 --> 53:52.720 Oh, okay. Well, thank you for that, White Fly. I fairly recently began to listen to the 53:52.720 --> 53:56.220 program and I am currently working on my way through the past episodes. They are great. 53:58.080 --> 54:02.240 I'm scrolling down. I would like to give you a shout out to Acidus. Is that how you 54:02.240 --> 54:02.620 say his name? 54:02.800 --> 54:03.000 Yep. 54:03.000 --> 54:08.440 Acidus, as after listening to the episode he co-hosted, I visited his site and constructed 54:08.440 --> 54:13.100 the card reader and with the help of his software was able to put together a presentation for 54:13.100 --> 54:18.420 my public speaking class on what is stored on our college identification cards. That's 54:18.420 --> 54:18.740 pretty cool. 54:19.140 --> 54:23.460 Anyways, good luck with the show. I am sure it will continue to be excellent. P.S. Being 54:23.460 --> 54:28.940 bored, I decided to count the times Voodoo Howell has co-hosted and came up with 12, 15% of the 54:28.940 --> 54:29.200 shows. 54:29.200 --> 54:32.540 Very cool. Well, it's still 12. 54:33.560 --> 54:35.480 Yeah, it's still 12. It would not be 13. 54:35.620 --> 54:37.160 Yeah, sorry about that. Voodoo Howell didn't make it. 54:37.160 --> 54:39.120 For those who are just tuning in, I am not Voodoo Howell. 54:39.120 --> 55:09.100 Oh, yes. For those tuning in, our co-host tonight is Doug. Get used to it. Let's see. First of all, I forwarded this email over to Acidus. So I just got this email, I think, Monday. So I forwarded it to him. I didn't get a reply back yet, but I'm sure he will be happy to hear that you applied this. Ironically, that's exactly why he got into it, was to see what was on his college identification. 55:09.120 --> 55:27.160 That was his motivation. So I'm sure he will like hearing that somebody used and applied what he learned and applied and used the information to, and then not only used it for your own interest and curiosity, but then gave a presentation to your class about it. That's really, really cool. 55:27.160 --> 55:47.180 And that's what it's about. And luckily, you got the information from Binary Revolution Radio because we gave Acidus time to speak about it. We mentioned Acidus' name. We mentioned the websites, unlike, oh, Tech TV, for example, where they didn't even mention his name on the air and didn't give any kind of credit. 55:47.180 --> 55:52.060 So I'm glad you got the information from us so that you could follow up on it. So that's great. 55:53.180 --> 56:01.540 So, and I actually need to talk to Acidus. I am heading to Interzone. And you know what? I'll use this as a segue. 56:02.260 --> 56:07.280 And Doug, if you don't mind, I'll go ahead and spit mine out quickly for the show and tell part of the show. 56:07.280 --> 56:16.180 So, I was going to say, it made me think of it because I'm going to have to get in touch with Acidus and Decius and some of the guys from Atlanta because I'm heading up to Interzone. 56:16.860 --> 56:21.980 And that's kind of my show and tell is I'm getting ready to go to the Interzone conference. It's March 11th to 13th. 56:22.820 --> 56:27.140 I think I have mentioned that a couple times. And I know I put a link on the front of binrev.com. 56:27.140 --> 56:36.820 But I did confirm I am giving a presentation at Interzone. I don't have the time, the date and time yet. The schedule is not finalized. 56:37.580 --> 56:44.820 So, but I will definitely be there. I'm going to try to set up a table and what little time I, free time I will have while I'm there. 56:45.680 --> 56:51.100 With the magazines, I will not have the fourth issue there. So don't get your hopes up for that. 56:51.100 --> 57:03.640 But I might have a few other surprises with me. So, anybody that's coming to Interzone or is curious about Interzone or whatever, go check that out at Interzone with a zero. 57:04.160 --> 57:12.000 Interzone.com. And I mentioned earlier that I just pulled a huge server move. And I'm telling you, it was a nightmare. 57:12.940 --> 57:17.620 It was just an absolute clusterfuck. It really was. 57:17.620 --> 57:19.680 You host so many things. 57:20.380 --> 57:29.700 Ah, it really is. I mean, we host, I don't know that anybody's ever, I don't know that we've ever officially said we host XYZ before. 57:29.880 --> 57:36.080 But all the binrev projects are hosted on this box and have been hosted on the same box. 57:36.400 --> 57:42.740 But we also host sites for some of our friends, like we host Freaks and Geeks for ICON. 57:42.740 --> 57:46.140 We host Default Radio, which, by the way, did you ever point that over? 57:46.940 --> 57:53.060 No, someone brought that up to me today or this morning. And I still need to get the new information from you. 57:53.220 --> 57:56.800 Oh, okay. We'll do that again after the show. But it's, the site has moved over. 57:57.160 --> 58:00.740 All you got to do is point it and it'll come right up in 24 hours, 24, 48. 58:00.740 --> 58:08.560 So it's there and ready to go. But Default Radio, my 2600 group, I mean, and we're moving some more sites over there. 58:08.680 --> 58:11.440 We're moving Yapple, I think, over there. We're talking about it anyway. 58:12.120 --> 58:20.660 I registered two, honestly, I registered two new sites in the last four days and setting up a few more projects over there. 58:20.660 --> 58:25.940 And a couple projects that, actually, no, I'm not, I can't announce it now. 58:26.040 --> 58:32.080 But my presentation at Interzone is going to end with one of our, announcing one of our new projects. 58:32.320 --> 58:35.460 And it's already done and it's on the site and we've been testing it and working it. 58:35.520 --> 58:37.380 But I'll announce it officially at Interzone. 58:37.520 --> 58:41.520 So if that piques anybody's interest, come to Interzone and check that out. 58:41.520 --> 58:48.640 And when I get back from Interzone, of course, I will announce it on the site and on the radio and put that up to be publicly available. 58:48.780 --> 58:53.380 I think it's a very, probably one of our most useful, if not our very most useful site. 58:55.880 --> 58:58.480 And that's about it. 58:58.520 --> 59:01.780 So, yes, I know there's a few bugs still left from the server move. 59:02.500 --> 59:04.440 And we're sorting through them as we go along. 59:04.440 --> 59:09.180 Right now, as soon as I'm done with this show, actually, the rest of this week, I'm going to work on the gallery. 59:09.840 --> 59:12.000 The gallery did not quite come over correctly. 59:12.120 --> 59:14.020 So I've got to see what's going on with that. 59:15.160 --> 59:17.200 And that's pretty much it for me. 59:17.280 --> 59:22.840 Oh, I had my 2600 meeting last week, last weekend, last Friday, and my DEFCON meeting, which was Saturday. 59:22.980 --> 59:24.280 So, like I said, they don't coincide. 59:24.320 --> 59:25.120 There's a lot of overlap. 59:25.720 --> 59:27.500 You know, it's good to have two meetings. 59:27.640 --> 59:30.620 I mean, I know some 2600 meetings meet twice a month. 59:32.100 --> 59:35.040 So it's definitely people want to get together. 59:35.440 --> 59:38.640 So even if it is, again, just for social reasons or whatever. 59:38.640 --> 59:40.160 So it's kind of cool to have two meetings. 59:40.520 --> 59:44.440 So I did both of those last week, and they went pretty well. 59:44.600 --> 59:46.680 So that's it for my show and tell. 59:47.460 --> 59:52.240 And you, Doug, it's been a long time just since you've been on the air in general. 59:53.060 --> 59:56.300 Now, we're at about an hour now. 59:56.300 --> 59:59.480 Yeah, we're at about an hour now, so we've still got plenty of time. 59:59.640 --> 01:00:00.560 So take your time. 01:00:01.360 --> 01:00:02.280 Well, not too much. 01:00:02.600 --> 01:00:08.720 But I just do want to say that I will be getting back into Internet radio again soon because it's what I love doing. 01:00:09.100 --> 01:00:12.980 You know, I've always loved recording shows and being on shows and producing them. 01:00:13.180 --> 01:00:15.560 And I've been wanting to do my own show for a long time. 01:00:15.640 --> 01:00:18.000 I've talked about it for months and months since default radio. 01:00:19.000 --> 01:00:20.680 And I'm going to be doing it real soon. 01:00:20.860 --> 01:00:23.240 I mean, Lucky is going to be joining me, of course, as my co-host. 01:00:23.680 --> 01:00:30.160 There's no actual start date, no official date yet, but it will be like an afternoon live talk show. 01:00:30.220 --> 01:00:31.640 It's not going to be at night or in the morning. 01:00:31.720 --> 01:00:32.640 It's going to be in the afternoon. 01:00:32.640 --> 01:00:38.340 And the new talk show isn't really going to be a hacking, freaking, or gaming show, 01:00:38.400 --> 01:00:41.280 but that doesn't mean we're not going to be talking about any of those things at all. 01:00:42.080 --> 01:00:48.820 But some of the things that we will be doing is I've been talking to a lot of local underground garage bands, 01:00:49.040 --> 01:00:52.960 and they really want to try hard to kind of promote their music. 01:00:53.060 --> 01:00:56.480 Not really necessarily promote, but just get it out there and have a larger audience. 01:00:56.480 --> 01:01:02.080 And with this whole new radio show in mind and this brand-new garage studio that I have, 01:01:02.680 --> 01:01:05.320 they're going to be playing live on the Internet radio, 01:01:05.400 --> 01:01:08.500 and they're going to have a much greater audience for people to get into their music, 01:01:08.700 --> 01:01:12.520 promote their websites, any MP3s or albums that they have. 01:01:13.480 --> 01:01:18.300 And because of what we're going to have a real call online, thanks to the folks over at Bell's Minds, 01:01:18.640 --> 01:01:22.320 but we're going to have a call online, and we're going to have actual guests in the studio 01:01:22.320 --> 01:01:26.060 to interview about these bands, and they're going to give their honest opinions just as well as I will, 01:01:26.060 --> 01:01:31.600 if they suck or if they're really good, but it's just going to have a completely different audience. 01:01:32.080 --> 01:01:34.040 Yeah, but hackers hate everything. 01:01:34.140 --> 01:01:35.940 They're going to say that they suck even if they're awesome, 01:01:36.200 --> 01:01:37.980 just because that's the nature of them apparently. 01:01:38.760 --> 01:01:41.560 Well, one of the things nicely, too, is that this isn't just going to be on Hacker. 01:01:41.700 --> 01:01:44.360 I will have the show. I do want to do the show on DDPHack Radio, of course. 01:01:44.500 --> 01:01:45.700 Oh, we'd be glad to have it. 01:01:46.240 --> 01:01:46.980 You have to, yeah. 01:01:47.420 --> 01:01:50.440 But it'll be syndicated on some other Internet radio stations as well. 01:01:50.500 --> 01:01:54.940 I can't really announce any just yet because there's no final deals or negotiations yet, 01:01:54.940 --> 01:02:00.760 but it will be syndicated on quite a few Internet radio stations as well as hopefully towards the summer, 01:02:01.020 --> 01:02:02.580 a college station out here locally. 01:02:03.660 --> 01:02:07.160 And I just want to bring a completely different audience, not just hackers, 01:02:07.420 --> 01:02:13.000 because people that are my age, I'm 16 years old, and people that are my age, 01:02:13.080 --> 01:02:16.900 people that are in high school, have no idea of what the hell is going on. 01:02:16.900 --> 01:02:20.620 Like, they don't know that this world even exists. 01:02:20.860 --> 01:02:22.720 They don't even know a thing about Internet radio. 01:02:22.860 --> 01:02:24.980 If you tell them Internet radio, they're going to think kaza. 01:02:25.620 --> 01:02:26.860 They don't know anything. 01:02:27.920 --> 01:02:32.520 And I wanted to show them that true freedom of speech is really out there, 01:02:32.620 --> 01:02:34.440 especially with my show and what I had planned. 01:02:34.620 --> 01:02:34.960 Amen. 01:02:35.800 --> 01:02:37.680 I'm going to show them a completely different crowd. 01:02:37.760 --> 01:02:40.780 Not only am I going to show them my show, but I'm going to show them other people's programs. 01:02:40.900 --> 01:02:42.080 I'm going to talk about other programs. 01:02:42.160 --> 01:02:43.400 That's right. OPP, baby. 01:02:43.880 --> 01:02:45.700 Right. I'm going to get them on the radio. 01:02:45.700 --> 01:02:47.140 They're going to be, you know, on camera. 01:02:47.240 --> 01:02:51.060 They're going to be – they need to know the Internet is more than just blogs 01:02:51.060 --> 01:02:53.560 and instant messaging and chat rooms. 01:02:53.740 --> 01:02:55.380 Preach on, Doug. Preach on, baby. 01:02:56.520 --> 01:02:56.880 Amen. 01:02:57.260 --> 01:02:58.340 Amen. Hallelujah. 01:02:59.140 --> 01:03:01.660 But seriously, you know, I'll have flyers out there. 01:03:01.720 --> 01:03:02.340 It'll be everywhere. 01:03:02.460 --> 01:03:06.020 I want this to be big, and I want people to – because you can't really – 01:03:06.020 --> 01:03:07.320 how are you going to show people that, you know? 01:03:08.160 --> 01:03:09.420 I'm being dead serious. 01:03:09.600 --> 01:03:10.880 I'm totally behind this. 01:03:10.920 --> 01:03:12.580 I agree with you 100%. 01:03:12.580 --> 01:03:15.080 And I – I don't know how many times I've ranted on the show 01:03:15.080 --> 01:03:18.080 that this is our last bastion of free speech. 01:03:18.540 --> 01:03:18.900 Yeah. 01:03:19.060 --> 01:03:23.520 Until the FCC – and you know they're trying to get their fingers on it right now, 01:03:23.560 --> 01:03:25.320 and I'm not going to go into that on this show. 01:03:25.860 --> 01:03:29.020 But damn it, yes, this is our last bastion of free speech, 01:03:29.020 --> 01:03:30.640 and I'm going to grab it by the balls. 01:03:31.120 --> 01:03:34.360 But I just want to have a bigger audience into not just my show, 01:03:34.420 --> 01:03:35.420 but all of Internet radio. 01:03:35.420 --> 01:03:38.500 I want the younger minds, the, you know, different older minds, 01:03:38.560 --> 01:03:39.560 just different age groups. 01:03:39.560 --> 01:03:42.040 And they're going to be on the radio. 01:03:42.140 --> 01:03:45.020 They're going to talk, you know, even if they want to talk about their high school life, 01:03:45.060 --> 01:03:48.120 and I can tell them how much of a big deal it's not, you know, whatever. 01:03:48.300 --> 01:03:52.660 But they need to be familiar with this entirely different world that they don't even know exists. 01:03:54.100 --> 01:03:56.040 There's a lot of people that don't know what's going on. 01:03:56.040 --> 01:03:56.980 That's right. 01:03:58.080 --> 01:04:04.080 And, you know, technology is becoming more and more a part of our everyday lives, 01:04:04.080 --> 01:04:09.700 and there's still so many people that don't really know the depth. 01:04:09.700 --> 01:04:12.020 Yes, that's absolutely what I was trying to say. 01:04:12.100 --> 01:04:16.880 Don't know the depth of – don't know the potential and the possibilities. 01:04:16.880 --> 01:04:20.620 Yeah, the only thing, especially with teenagers and whatnot, 01:04:20.760 --> 01:04:26.840 they just see blogs and chat rooms and polls and all the other kind of crap, you know. 01:04:26.980 --> 01:04:27.400 And porn. 01:04:28.260 --> 01:04:30.100 That's all they think – yeah, and porn, of course. 01:04:30.220 --> 01:04:32.120 Porn, that's the number one thing that they all look at. 01:04:32.160 --> 01:04:32.860 I never stopped. 01:04:33.340 --> 01:04:34.260 It never stopped. 01:04:34.320 --> 01:04:38.020 But they don't – they have no idea about Internet TV and radio, you know. 01:04:38.160 --> 01:04:41.100 Yeah, and let me – can I go off on another tangent rant? 01:04:41.560 --> 01:04:42.180 Sure, go ahead. 01:04:42.180 --> 01:04:45.780 I – hold on. 01:04:45.860 --> 01:04:48.440 I like this one really – I'm trying not to get real mad at this one 01:04:48.440 --> 01:04:50.220 because this is fucking ridiculous to me. 01:04:51.140 --> 01:04:53.700 I'm looking at this podcasting stuff lately, right? 01:04:54.360 --> 01:04:55.040 Oh, God. 01:04:55.600 --> 01:04:59.360 And I – oh, God. 01:04:59.420 --> 01:05:00.940 I don't even know how to put this into words. 01:05:01.560 --> 01:05:04.860 There's a fucking podcast porn show. 01:05:05.900 --> 01:05:06.740 Are you serious? 01:05:06.920 --> 01:05:08.220 I don't understand. 01:05:08.500 --> 01:05:10.500 I couldn't – I tried to listen to one of them. 01:05:10.500 --> 01:05:12.460 It's like the top-rated show. 01:05:12.880 --> 01:05:16.380 It's like one of the highest-rated shows on several sites, Podcast Alley, 01:05:16.480 --> 01:05:18.760 and several – a couple other sites. 01:05:18.840 --> 01:05:21.100 It's like one of the top-ranked shows on several places. 01:05:21.380 --> 01:05:24.720 And I'm not going to drop their name, but it's basically what I – 01:05:24.720 --> 01:05:29.180 what appears to be a couple – I don't know if they're a married couple or whatever – 01:05:29.180 --> 01:05:31.120 I guess fucking on the radio? 01:05:31.420 --> 01:05:32.540 Talking dirty on the radio? 01:05:32.660 --> 01:05:33.960 I don't – I don't know. 01:05:33.960 --> 01:05:37.480 I tried to listen to one of them, and it was just mind-numbing. 01:05:38.080 --> 01:05:38.980 It was just so – 01:05:38.980 --> 01:05:41.160 On the radio, this isn't video? 01:05:41.500 --> 01:05:42.480 No, there's no video. 01:05:42.800 --> 01:05:43.600 There's no pictures. 01:05:43.820 --> 01:05:45.760 I mean, that's what I'm saying. 01:05:45.880 --> 01:05:55.420 This is – it doesn't anger me, but it saddens me to see that here we have this potential of free speech coming to us again. 01:05:55.480 --> 01:05:56.620 This is what it felt like. 01:05:56.620 --> 01:05:58.600 You know, I'm not – I'm going to get sappy. 01:05:58.600 --> 01:06:10.860 This is what it felt like when people first realized that radio could reach out and you could reach people and communicate and all the magic and wonder that went with that. 01:06:10.860 --> 01:06:21.240 You can entertain people and educate people and teach people things and give them information and – and here we are starting over again, and that's what I love about this. 01:06:21.300 --> 01:06:27.340 And that's what you like about this is that it's – we love this medium because the way we can reach out. 01:06:27.340 --> 01:06:36.960 Now it's not only limited to local areas, worldwide, nationwide, maybe – this may be even going to fucking Jupiter for all I know. 01:06:36.960 --> 01:06:47.840 Well, if there's some Jupiter-tanians listening, some Jupiter-tan-son, I don't know, listening, word up, man. 01:06:47.940 --> 01:06:48.720 I'm down. 01:06:50.200 --> 01:06:57.740 But here we have this potential and this just vast audience of people that can – and you have the choice. 01:06:57.820 --> 01:06:58.900 You can educate them. 01:06:59.080 --> 01:07:00.060 You can enlighten them. 01:07:00.160 --> 01:07:01.520 You can debate with them. 01:07:01.600 --> 01:07:04.180 You can point them to other sources of information. 01:07:04.180 --> 01:07:05.120 You can teach. 01:07:05.600 --> 01:07:06.880 And what do you do with it? 01:07:07.080 --> 01:07:07.960 You fuck! 01:07:08.580 --> 01:07:09.940 We're screwing on the radio. 01:07:09.960 --> 01:07:12.100 On the radio, for God's sake! 01:07:13.280 --> 01:07:14.100 Okay, let me – hold on. 01:07:14.340 --> 01:07:15.440 I can only imagine. 01:07:15.620 --> 01:07:16.860 The show must go something like this. 01:07:17.040 --> 01:07:18.820 Oh, oh, oh, yeah. 01:07:19.440 --> 01:07:19.920 The end, thank you. 01:07:19.920 --> 01:07:21.440 I don't want to hear that thing, by the way. 01:07:21.540 --> 01:07:21.940 There you go. 01:07:21.980 --> 01:07:23.220 There's a four-second summary. 01:07:24.120 --> 01:07:25.260 There's another sound clip. 01:07:25.320 --> 01:07:27.160 That's going to be with a big – I'm a big hairy cock. 01:07:27.180 --> 01:07:28.300 I'm a big hairy cock. 01:07:28.440 --> 01:07:29.380 Oh, oh, bad. 01:07:30.760 --> 01:07:32.940 But anyways, no, I mean, don't get me wrong. 01:07:32.940 --> 01:07:35.500 It's not like I'm not going to talk about sex on my show, 01:07:35.500 --> 01:07:37.420 because, of course, everyone wants to hear about that. 01:07:37.640 --> 01:07:39.940 But I'm not going to have people fucking on my show. 01:07:41.720 --> 01:07:42.640 I mean – 01:07:42.640 --> 01:07:45.220 It'll put you – apparently it'll put you to the top of the list. 01:07:45.220 --> 01:07:48.240 Maybe for one whole hour straight. 01:07:48.300 --> 01:07:49.000 That's what I'll just play. 01:07:49.060 --> 01:07:50.600 I'll just play a porn video on the air. 01:07:50.660 --> 01:07:52.360 Yeah, just play the soundtrack from a porn movie. 01:07:52.400 --> 01:07:52.760 That's all. 01:07:53.280 --> 01:07:53.780 There you go. 01:07:54.560 --> 01:07:55.220 Ah, well. 01:07:55.320 --> 01:07:55.880 Anyway, I'm sorry. 01:07:55.920 --> 01:07:58.560 I didn't mean to interrupt your show and tell with that, 01:07:58.620 --> 01:08:00.440 but that hit a nerve with me. 01:08:00.720 --> 01:08:03.640 What wasted – that's like my biggest pet peeve, 01:08:04.460 --> 01:08:06.620 to use a cliched term of pet peeve. 01:08:06.680 --> 01:08:09.480 My pet peeve, what I don't like, is wasted potential. 01:08:10.080 --> 01:08:11.500 Yeah, it's wasted bandwidth. 01:08:11.500 --> 01:08:17.880 Yeah, and whether that's wasted potential in a person, a human being, a kid who – 01:08:17.880 --> 01:08:22.300 you know, everybody's met, like, kids or has friends that's really smart, 01:08:22.520 --> 01:08:24.780 but they don't try, they don't care, they're lazy, 01:08:24.900 --> 01:08:29.440 they just waste the gifts that they have, you know, 01:08:29.520 --> 01:08:35.680 and wasting potential of a medium like the Internet or – I don't know. 01:08:36.200 --> 01:08:38.640 I like porn as much as the next guy, but I can't listen to it. 01:08:38.640 --> 01:08:41.820 You know, I can put a porn movie on mute. 01:08:41.940 --> 01:08:44.340 I mean, the sound is, like, the least important part, right? 01:08:45.160 --> 01:08:45.520 Yeah. 01:08:46.060 --> 01:08:47.960 The greatest thing – here's the coolest thing. 01:08:48.040 --> 01:08:50.780 Maybe I should make this – we should do this as a video show. 01:08:51.440 --> 01:08:53.600 It would be like Mystery Science Theater except with porn. 01:08:54.620 --> 01:08:57.720 We'll take porn and we'll – this is a good idea. 01:08:57.800 --> 01:08:58.480 Should I – don't interrupt me. 01:08:58.500 --> 01:08:59.160 This is a good idea. 01:08:59.520 --> 01:09:02.980 We can take porn movies and take out the audio and make our own audio. 01:09:03.860 --> 01:09:05.760 That would be – that could be funny. 01:09:05.780 --> 01:09:07.840 Haven't they done that on, like, Whose Line Is It Anyway or something? 01:09:08.400 --> 01:09:09.200 Oh, I don't know. 01:09:09.240 --> 01:09:09.540 Have they? 01:09:09.580 --> 01:09:10.000 I don't know. 01:09:10.440 --> 01:09:10.800 Damn it. 01:09:10.860 --> 01:09:13.140 You mean every time I come up with a good idea, somebody's already done it. 01:09:13.220 --> 01:09:13.500 Damn it. 01:09:14.360 --> 01:09:15.140 That would be funny. 01:09:16.420 --> 01:09:16.740 Anyway. 01:09:18.800 --> 01:09:19.120 Okay. 01:09:19.320 --> 01:09:19.980 Anyway, yeah. 01:09:20.120 --> 01:09:20.460 All right. 01:09:20.520 --> 01:09:23.040 So were you – did I – did I mess up your whole train of thought? 01:09:23.100 --> 01:09:24.420 Were you done with the show and tell or no? 01:09:24.840 --> 01:09:25.180 No. 01:09:25.480 --> 01:09:29.840 But as well as my show, we have been talking about doing another future release of Default 01:09:29.840 --> 01:09:30.680 Radio soon. 01:09:31.380 --> 01:09:35.180 But, again, Default's not going to be on a regular weekly basis anymore. 01:09:35.300 --> 01:09:39.400 We're only going to do a show where there's any kind of new news or freaking issues going 01:09:39.400 --> 01:09:40.880 on in the world. 01:09:41.220 --> 01:09:44.240 But pretty much Default's not on a weekly basis. 01:09:44.400 --> 01:09:46.320 But we have been planning on doing a new one real soon. 01:09:47.220 --> 01:09:48.600 I just – we don't know when that's going to be. 01:09:48.600 --> 01:09:57.820 And as far as internet, TV, video, whatever it's supposed to be called, I haven't done 01:09:57.820 --> 01:10:00.860 that much filming as far as my show, Doug TV, goes. 01:10:01.420 --> 01:10:05.380 But I still haven't gotten around editing the Defcon footage because I just got a brand 01:10:05.380 --> 01:10:09.300 new hard drive, like a 250 gig to put all that footage on from Defcon. 01:10:09.900 --> 01:10:13.100 And once I install that hard drive, I can start to begin editing all that video. 01:10:14.140 --> 01:10:16.780 But I've come up with some other ideas for some other shows. 01:10:16.780 --> 01:10:20.120 And we're probably going to start producing some other new video shows. 01:10:20.300 --> 01:10:23.460 But, really, it's just been real life I've been worried about lately. 01:10:23.560 --> 01:10:24.720 We're going to be moving soon. 01:10:25.020 --> 01:10:27.000 There's some girl trouble and family issues. 01:10:27.440 --> 01:10:29.080 And it's just pretty much been real life lately. 01:10:29.460 --> 01:10:29.820 Yeah. 01:10:30.040 --> 01:10:32.200 Real life always takes precedence, no doubt. 01:10:32.740 --> 01:10:33.020 Yeah. 01:10:33.500 --> 01:10:34.660 No doubt. 01:10:35.120 --> 01:10:37.920 But I really do want to get back into radio again because it's always been my favorite 01:10:37.920 --> 01:10:39.120 hobby ever since I was a kid. 01:10:39.200 --> 01:10:40.000 I've always loved radio. 01:10:40.280 --> 01:10:42.000 And I can't wait to start doing it again. 01:10:42.380 --> 01:10:44.860 Well, and let's use that as a transition. 01:10:44.860 --> 01:10:47.540 We've got maybe 10 minutes left to talk about this. 01:10:48.700 --> 01:10:49.780 Again, I apologize. 01:10:50.020 --> 01:10:53.980 We had so many emails after missing a week that we kind of used up the show doing emails. 01:10:54.140 --> 01:10:59.180 But let's do a little quick review since I do still get emails from people about how 01:10:59.180 --> 01:10:59.980 to do a radio show. 01:11:00.060 --> 01:11:01.180 We got one again this week. 01:11:01.840 --> 01:11:02.660 And let's do a... 01:11:02.660 --> 01:11:03.740 Let me go first. 01:11:03.820 --> 01:11:04.660 I'll do a quick recap. 01:11:04.960 --> 01:11:09.220 And then I want you to talk about it because you're doing much more exciting things, 01:11:09.300 --> 01:11:10.680 frankly, than I am. 01:11:10.680 --> 01:11:13.260 I'm still very old school with my setup. 01:11:13.480 --> 01:11:14.460 And I'll do it quickly. 01:11:15.840 --> 01:11:17.000 I have... 01:11:17.000 --> 01:11:20.880 And I mean, I can't describe this any more clearly or simply than I am right now. 01:11:21.080 --> 01:11:28.140 I am sitting in my office, in my house, in front of a speakerphone where you hear Doug. 01:11:28.800 --> 01:11:29.240 Hello. 01:11:29.240 --> 01:11:35.000 And sitting between Doug and I is a Lab Tech microphone. 01:11:35.880 --> 01:11:36.760 Ten bucks. 01:11:37.280 --> 01:11:39.720 Probably $7.99 if you look around somewhere. 01:11:40.580 --> 01:11:43.320 Plugs into my sound card in the microphone jack. 01:11:44.100 --> 01:11:44.740 That simple. 01:11:45.020 --> 01:11:45.380 There it is. 01:11:45.540 --> 01:11:46.640 There's your hardware. 01:11:46.860 --> 01:11:47.180 Period. 01:11:47.620 --> 01:11:48.320 The end. 01:11:49.180 --> 01:11:53.280 Now, there's a whole lot better ways to do this as far as sound quality and stuff. 01:11:53.760 --> 01:11:56.620 But A, I'm comfortable with this. 01:11:56.980 --> 01:11:58.080 B, it's easy. 01:11:58.180 --> 01:12:00.300 I don't have to reconfigure and hook things up. 01:12:00.380 --> 01:12:03.700 All I got to do is a couple sound checks to try to make it sound as best as I can. 01:12:04.400 --> 01:12:10.200 And C, I kind of like it, frankly, because I want to do a hacking show. 01:12:10.840 --> 01:12:13.840 I'm not trying to make a high quality... 01:12:13.840 --> 01:12:16.520 I mean, it kind of adds to the underground feel of the show. 01:12:16.620 --> 01:12:18.680 I'm doing this out of my house on a speakerphone. 01:12:18.680 --> 01:12:22.080 And I want it to sound like I'm doing it out of my house on a speakerphone. 01:12:22.640 --> 01:12:23.020 You know? 01:12:23.400 --> 01:12:25.560 So I'm not worried too much about it. 01:12:25.560 --> 01:12:29.500 However, that being said, I do like other... 01:12:29.500 --> 01:12:30.920 I mean, they're like Geek Love Radio. 01:12:31.660 --> 01:12:34.620 They have a much more professional sounding show. 01:12:35.140 --> 01:12:35.360 Yeah. 01:12:35.480 --> 01:12:35.840 You know? 01:12:36.000 --> 01:12:37.020 There are... 01:12:37.020 --> 01:12:38.720 Who else was it I like? 01:12:40.400 --> 01:12:40.880 BassNet. 01:12:41.100 --> 01:12:41.900 BassNet Radio. 01:12:42.040 --> 01:12:43.800 They have a much better sound quality. 01:12:43.840 --> 01:12:45.560 I'm not exactly sure how their setup is. 01:12:46.000 --> 01:12:49.360 But they've also got better sound quality and background music and things like that. 01:12:49.360 --> 01:12:49.880 In the now. 01:12:49.880 --> 01:12:55.140 Yeah, and it's like all of these different ways of doing it. 01:12:55.200 --> 01:12:57.100 So my way is very old school. 01:12:57.260 --> 01:12:58.520 I had just described the hardware. 01:12:59.180 --> 01:13:02.120 Software-wise, I'm a big open source advocate. 01:13:02.600 --> 01:13:05.960 I'm using Audacity to record. 01:13:06.100 --> 01:13:07.620 This is a Windows box. 01:13:08.300 --> 01:13:08.820 But it's... 01:13:08.820 --> 01:13:12.800 I call this my open source Windows box, which sounds like an oxymoron. 01:13:12.800 --> 01:13:18.960 But it's running Windows XP, but I only install open source or free software on it. 01:13:19.600 --> 01:13:21.700 So I don't have Microsoft Office on here. 01:13:21.780 --> 01:13:25.260 I don't have Adobe Photoshop and stuff. 01:13:25.320 --> 01:13:25.860 I have the GIMP. 01:13:25.920 --> 01:13:28.520 I have OpenOffice, if you understand what I'm saying. 01:13:28.920 --> 01:13:34.100 So on this Windows box that I record the show on, I have Audacity installed. 01:13:34.780 --> 01:13:39.360 You know, I keep up to date with the latest versions of Audacity and use that to record the show. 01:13:39.360 --> 01:13:41.000 So Audacity, you can find... 01:13:41.000 --> 01:13:42.980 I think it's audacity.sourceforge.net. 01:13:43.040 --> 01:13:45.260 I wouldn't swear to it off the top of my head. 01:13:45.520 --> 01:13:48.080 If you Google Audacity, it's the first thing that comes up. 01:13:48.200 --> 01:13:48.440 Exactly. 01:13:48.880 --> 01:13:51.880 And it's a straightforward download. 01:13:52.060 --> 01:13:52.760 You tinker with it. 01:13:52.780 --> 01:13:54.380 I'm not going to teach you how to use it on the show. 01:13:54.480 --> 01:13:56.180 But you play with it for five seconds. 01:13:56.220 --> 01:13:57.360 You'll pretty much figure it out. 01:13:57.800 --> 01:14:02.440 And you'll do a couple test runs and decide what sound quality you like and what levels you like. 01:14:03.180 --> 01:14:09.140 I record everything at high quality originally and then mix it down to lower quality for the downloads. 01:14:09.140 --> 01:14:10.180 Because it takes up... 01:14:10.180 --> 01:14:18.220 One show takes up anywhere from 600 megs to a gig of space for the raw uncompressed files. 01:14:18.960 --> 01:14:21.340 And then I compress them down to a 15 meg MP3. 01:14:21.460 --> 01:14:22.620 That's pretty awesome. 01:14:24.460 --> 01:14:27.720 And I do that using another free program called DB Power Amp. 01:14:28.700 --> 01:14:30.420 And that's pretty much it. 01:14:30.520 --> 01:14:31.400 It's that simple. 01:14:31.500 --> 01:14:33.220 DB Power Amp, another free download. 01:14:33.720 --> 01:14:35.400 There are others besides that one. 01:14:35.620 --> 01:14:37.260 I'm just too lazy that it works. 01:14:37.340 --> 01:14:38.780 I'm not going to bother to install another one. 01:14:38.780 --> 01:14:39.440 It works fine. 01:14:39.560 --> 01:14:47.500 So I convert it down and upload the MP3s to the different stations. 01:14:47.600 --> 01:14:48.980 DDP Hack Radio, of course. 01:14:49.140 --> 01:14:49.880 Rant Radio. 01:14:50.580 --> 01:14:51.920 We have set up our podcast. 01:14:52.200 --> 01:14:54.160 So people pull the podcast and air it. 01:14:55.020 --> 01:14:58.440 Just wherever it goes from there, it starts trickling out across the world. 01:14:59.200 --> 01:15:01.200 So that's pretty much how I do it. 01:15:01.260 --> 01:15:02.880 Like I said, it's not that impressive. 01:15:02.880 --> 01:15:04.660 It's not that difficult. 01:15:05.120 --> 01:15:08.220 Anybody listening can do it. 01:15:08.800 --> 01:15:11.060 And once again, this is irrelevant of podcasting. 01:15:11.060 --> 01:15:15.700 We've been saying this is another, I'll make this a super tiny rant. 01:15:16.060 --> 01:15:17.780 People are into podcasting all of a sudden. 01:15:17.940 --> 01:15:21.460 There's hundreds, if not thousands of people making their own little podcast shows. 01:15:21.460 --> 01:15:23.160 Like this is some new phenomenon. 01:15:24.120 --> 01:15:27.360 We've been doing this for a long time. 01:15:28.040 --> 01:15:30.540 We've been doing this for a hell of a long time. 01:15:31.060 --> 01:15:32.080 We've had RFA. 01:15:32.520 --> 01:15:34.060 We've had Binrev Radio. 01:15:34.240 --> 01:15:35.160 Default Radio. 01:15:35.620 --> 01:15:37.580 I mean, I can't even mention all of them. 01:15:37.680 --> 01:15:41.500 And right now, there's so many out right now, which is great, by the way. 01:15:41.500 --> 01:15:48.560 You know that we have a 24-7 channel, DDP Hack Radio, that's all shows, all the time, all day. 01:15:48.760 --> 01:15:49.340 And growing. 01:15:50.280 --> 01:15:50.680 You know? 01:15:50.840 --> 01:15:54.060 And growing with every single passing day as new shows arrive. 01:15:54.400 --> 01:15:57.300 Let's not forget about the people at rantradio.com. 01:15:57.380 --> 01:15:59.240 We've been around also since, like, what, 98? 01:15:59.640 --> 01:16:01.400 Yeah, 99, 98? 01:16:01.780 --> 01:16:04.840 They started, I think, in like 98 when they first started broadcasting, you know? 01:16:04.920 --> 01:16:07.180 And they had a show that was like two years old. 01:16:07.320 --> 01:16:10.860 Yeah, and I've been with Rant Radio since episode one. 01:16:11.500 --> 01:16:15.160 Binary Revolution started and is still on rantradio.com. 01:16:15.440 --> 01:16:15.960 Rant Radio. 01:16:16.900 --> 01:16:19.840 So, yeah, it's been around for a while is the point. 01:16:20.180 --> 01:16:25.140 So podcasting is a great distribution method, and I love it for that. 01:16:25.680 --> 01:16:26.460 But be careful. 01:16:26.580 --> 01:16:28.960 People get confused about what podcasting is. 01:16:29.000 --> 01:16:30.580 To me, it's a distribution method. 01:16:31.140 --> 01:16:31.760 And that's great. 01:16:32.240 --> 01:16:39.660 I love that people can download us and put us on their iPods, which is, you don't need an iPod for podcasting, 01:16:39.660 --> 01:16:45.500 but you can put it on your iPods and your MP3 players, or just download the MP3s using podcasting software. 01:16:45.760 --> 01:16:46.340 That's great. 01:16:46.840 --> 01:16:50.380 But that's all it is to me, a distribution method. 01:16:50.520 --> 01:16:53.260 Now, gosh, we've got a few minutes here. 01:16:53.320 --> 01:16:55.280 Why don't you talk about what you're doing? 01:16:55.400 --> 01:17:00.220 Your new show that you're talking about, you've gotten a whole lot more elaborate setup than I do. 01:17:00.220 --> 01:17:03.220 Yeah, I have an actual studio. 01:17:03.960 --> 01:17:09.300 And a lot of the reasons is because I record local bands and such, which is why I had the studio in the first place. 01:17:09.460 --> 01:17:15.460 But a lot of it is just old equipment put together that has worked out pretty well. 01:17:15.540 --> 01:17:19.940 I mean, I have anything from amplifiers to mixers to CD and tape decks, you know. 01:17:20.020 --> 01:17:22.340 I have, and of course, the computers as well. 01:17:22.680 --> 01:17:23.320 Yeah, and you know what? 01:17:23.340 --> 01:17:27.860 There's plenty of real radio stations that are still using old equipment because it works. 01:17:27.860 --> 01:17:34.420 Yeah, I've had, like, for example, my main mixture I've had since I was, what, six or seven. 01:17:34.860 --> 01:17:38.360 It was my dad's old mixture because he's used that thing for recording for years. 01:17:40.100 --> 01:17:43.440 So I've had really old equipment, and it still works to this day. 01:17:43.520 --> 01:17:47.340 I mean, there have been times, like, the main things that I've always had to replace were tape and CD decks 01:17:47.340 --> 01:17:50.020 because, you know, they have motors in them, and they die down eventually. 01:17:50.240 --> 01:17:54.280 But everything else, the only thing that's been really upgraded is just the computer parts. 01:17:54.320 --> 01:17:54.680 That's it. 01:17:56.600 --> 01:17:57.200 All right. 01:17:57.200 --> 01:17:59.980 And what about, like, microphones and stuff like that? 01:18:00.720 --> 01:18:10.060 I have one main microphone that I spent 50 bucks for at Radio Shack, which is a pro, I think it's the dynamic one. 01:18:10.140 --> 01:18:13.480 I'm not really sure which one it is, but it's a good microphone. 01:18:14.640 --> 01:18:17.340 And you really don't have to spend that much for a microphone. 01:18:17.460 --> 01:18:18.480 Any microphone will do. 01:18:18.800 --> 01:18:20.480 It just depends on how good you want to sound. 01:18:20.540 --> 01:18:23.520 Like, if you want to sound really clear and, like, right there on the microphone, 01:18:24.020 --> 01:18:25.360 then you might want to spend quite a few bucks. 01:18:25.360 --> 01:18:27.740 Don't get some, well, what kind of microphone do you have? 01:18:28.320 --> 01:18:28.560 Me? 01:18:28.660 --> 01:18:31.460 I've got a piece of crap Lab Tech 799. 01:18:33.340 --> 01:18:34.840 But, see, here's the funny thing. 01:18:34.940 --> 01:18:43.880 Honestly, I did go out, and I bought a nice omnidirectional USB office professional surround global anal probe. 01:18:43.880 --> 01:18:47.840 Well, you don't want an omnidirectional, though, because you only want the microphone to face you. 01:18:48.160 --> 01:18:52.860 Well, I figured that by doing it this way, I could sit back and be comfortable across the room. 01:18:53.280 --> 01:18:58.020 I could, like, walk, because I have, you know, one, two, three, four, five computers right now running. 01:18:58.020 --> 01:19:04.880 And I thought it might be neat on the show if I rolled to the other side of the room and attempted some live, you know, 01:19:04.940 --> 01:19:09.340 we used to do it live installations of different Linux distros or software and stuff. 01:19:09.480 --> 01:19:12.780 And I thought it would be nice if I crossed the room I could keep going like that. 01:19:13.160 --> 01:19:16.220 Yeah, those microphones aren't all that good for radio shows, though. 01:19:16.340 --> 01:19:17.820 Yeah, as I found out. 01:19:18.000 --> 01:19:20.580 So, 50 bucks down the drain. 01:19:20.580 --> 01:19:26.300 But, yeah, I have just a really simple 50-buck microphone for myself. 01:19:26.440 --> 01:19:31.140 And then I have, like, two $30 microphones for any kind of guest or whatever that will come in the studio. 01:19:31.320 --> 01:19:35.760 And a lot of it, too, is just from, you know, recording drum sets and other bands that have come in here. 01:19:36.460 --> 01:19:38.240 So, I mean, yeah, I have actual real mixer equipment. 01:19:38.340 --> 01:19:40.760 The show will be, it's also taped as well. 01:19:40.800 --> 01:19:42.920 So you'll be able to watch a video of it whenever we have a guest. 01:19:43.020 --> 01:19:44.540 You'll actually see what the studio looks like. 01:19:44.560 --> 01:19:45.680 I'll probably take a picture, too. 01:19:45.980 --> 01:19:47.440 But didn't you just say you're getting ready to move? 01:19:48.500 --> 01:19:50.000 Yeah, well, not until June. 01:19:50.000 --> 01:19:51.620 We're looking for a house to buy right now. 01:19:51.680 --> 01:19:53.000 But we're not going to be moving until this summer. 01:19:53.460 --> 01:19:53.900 Okay, okay. 01:19:54.020 --> 01:19:55.960 So you'll have to dismantle it and start over again, then? 01:19:56.180 --> 01:19:57.560 Oh, yeah, it's going to be a pain in the ass. 01:19:57.580 --> 01:19:59.620 Yeah, that's going to be lots of fun. 01:20:00.020 --> 01:20:01.200 Because there's a lot of wiring. 01:20:01.740 --> 01:20:02.080 Ugh. 01:20:03.540 --> 01:20:03.800 Yeah, I... 01:20:03.800 --> 01:20:05.520 A lot of ins and outs and lefts and rights. 01:20:05.660 --> 01:20:06.560 And it's a pain in the ass. 01:20:06.660 --> 01:20:08.320 But I like it, so... 01:20:08.320 --> 01:20:08.840 All right. 01:20:10.200 --> 01:20:11.280 All right, well... 01:20:11.280 --> 01:20:12.020 Oh, you know what else? 01:20:12.080 --> 01:20:14.100 What about the way... 01:20:14.100 --> 01:20:18.280 What is the equipment that you would need or someone would need for the background music? 01:20:18.280 --> 01:20:19.540 Because that is something that I like. 01:20:19.540 --> 01:20:20.620 As long as it's not too loud. 01:20:20.760 --> 01:20:24.160 I like a little bit of background music that I hear, like, on Geek Love Radio. 01:20:24.480 --> 01:20:25.500 Sometimes they're a little too loud. 01:20:25.580 --> 01:20:28.260 But I like having that ambiance music in the background. 01:20:29.000 --> 01:20:31.320 Yeah, I talked to Sub Zero about that. 01:20:31.380 --> 01:20:33.180 Because I was listening to Geek Love Radio. 01:20:33.920 --> 01:20:35.100 And I talked to him after the show. 01:20:35.220 --> 01:20:37.160 I was like, why do you have background music on your show? 01:20:37.260 --> 01:20:38.840 Because I want to know, like, what your reason was. 01:20:38.880 --> 01:20:41.580 And he just said, it's usually like something to fill in the space of dead air. 01:20:41.580 --> 01:20:46.340 And also, it's for if they can't really do any kind of fancy editing and make you say things you never said. 01:20:47.400 --> 01:20:49.340 But a lot of it is just to kill the dead air. 01:20:49.680 --> 01:20:51.320 And I've never really been a fan of that. 01:20:51.400 --> 01:20:54.740 I kind of felt it's annoying, especially if there's, like, vocals in the background, you know? 01:20:55.140 --> 01:20:58.040 See, I think it works really well as white noise. 01:20:58.800 --> 01:21:00.280 Only if it's very soft. 01:21:00.400 --> 01:21:01.420 Almost subliminal. 01:21:02.020 --> 01:21:02.320 Uh-huh. 01:21:02.320 --> 01:21:04.420 You know, I don't want to use it as a crutch for dead air. 01:21:04.520 --> 01:21:05.360 I agree with you on that. 01:21:05.460 --> 01:21:11.020 But I kind of like the, I think, as a matter of fact, I think it's BassNet that does a real good job of using that. 01:21:11.120 --> 01:21:12.760 It's very soft and quiet in the background. 01:21:14.980 --> 01:21:19.800 Yeah, I've noticed, like, a lot of the guys at Rant Radio, whatever shows they're doing now, 01:21:21.280 --> 01:21:23.400 the actual Rant Radio, people, not people that have a show on Rant Radio, 01:21:23.480 --> 01:21:25.200 but the people that work for Rant Radio. 01:21:25.340 --> 01:21:25.600 Right. 01:21:26.440 --> 01:21:28.140 Samarian and Sean Kennedy and all of them, 01:21:28.200 --> 01:21:30.960 they've always done that with the music and the background on their shows. 01:21:30.960 --> 01:21:33.060 And I just always felt that as annoying. 01:21:33.260 --> 01:21:38.300 It's just, it's louder, it's really loud, and it's just kind of distracting it sometimes, too. 01:21:38.300 --> 01:21:38.500 Right. 01:21:38.580 --> 01:21:39.540 It's a tough balance, yeah. 01:21:39.820 --> 01:21:41.060 If it's too loud, yeah. 01:21:41.480 --> 01:21:45.340 There's been shows like that that I had to turn off because they were just too annoying. 01:21:45.940 --> 01:21:46.200 Yeah. 01:21:46.460 --> 01:21:49.040 But I guess one way they do it, like, I know Geek Love Radio, 01:21:49.120 --> 01:21:51.600 they have a mixture where they already have their microphones in. 01:21:52.260 --> 01:21:54.520 And I think they probably just have, like, a basic CD player, 01:21:54.880 --> 01:21:59.300 or they use the CD player or sometimes maybe another computer to just play the music. 01:21:59.600 --> 01:21:59.960 Right. 01:21:59.960 --> 01:22:02.700 Or maybe feed music directly into it somehow. 01:22:03.480 --> 01:22:06.720 Yeah, they might play, like, within Win app or something when they're broadcasting live, 01:22:06.840 --> 01:22:08.360 playing the music on top of it. 01:22:08.720 --> 01:22:09.040 Right. 01:22:10.180 --> 01:22:13.100 All right, well, Doug, what do you say we wrap this up there, buddy? 01:22:13.840 --> 01:22:14.160 Yeah. 01:22:14.820 --> 01:22:15.440 It's been a long show. 01:22:15.480 --> 01:22:16.080 How long has it been? 01:22:16.080 --> 01:22:18.080 Oh, we're, let's see. 01:22:18.160 --> 01:22:21.540 By the time we're done, we'll have a full hour and a half by the time I mix music and everything. 01:22:21.540 --> 01:22:25.040 So we've got a minute of the show to close out here. 01:22:25.040 --> 01:22:29.220 So I guess, since I just mentioned it, I'll go ahead and start Shouts and give shout-outs to, 01:22:30.120 --> 01:22:36.420 this is funny, I don't, it's Slick Zero, it's the number zero, but I have heard him refer to himself as Slicko. 01:22:36.500 --> 01:22:40.440 So I don't know, Slick Zero, Slicko, whatever, whatever he prefers. 01:22:40.940 --> 01:22:44.020 And Silent Slade and all the guys from over at BassNet Radio. 01:22:44.720 --> 01:22:48.220 And to Radman from Acid Arts Radio. 01:22:49.000 --> 01:22:51.200 Also, both of these shows on DDP Hack Radio. 01:22:51.320 --> 01:22:51.820 But you know what? 01:22:51.880 --> 01:22:53.560 These are two of the better shows out there. 01:22:53.640 --> 01:22:55.280 At least, personally, I think so. 01:22:55.900 --> 01:23:00.140 These are two groups, two shows that take it serious. 01:23:00.240 --> 01:23:05.640 I mean, like, we take the show, when I say seriously, I don't mean you can't laugh and have fun and stuff like that 01:23:05.640 --> 01:23:06.520 and cut up sometimes. 01:23:06.560 --> 01:23:07.200 We do that. 01:23:07.900 --> 01:23:13.700 But approach it seriously, as in take some time, be prepared a little bit with some topics, 01:23:14.300 --> 01:23:16.080 what you want to talk about and say. 01:23:16.660 --> 01:23:20.020 Not necessarily have to write up show notes, but at least be prepared. 01:23:20.200 --> 01:23:22.120 You're not just picking up the microphone going, 01:23:22.260 --> 01:23:26.400 oh, yeah, we got to do a show this week, so what's up with you, you know? 01:23:26.880 --> 01:23:29.660 That comes across when you care about your show. 01:23:29.660 --> 01:23:33.680 And I think those two shows stand out to me as a couple of the better shows. 01:23:33.680 --> 01:23:38.200 So please listen to The Arts Show and to BassNet Radio. 01:23:38.380 --> 01:23:41.860 Both of those you can find links on radio.binrev.com. 01:23:42.560 --> 01:23:48.760 And shout-outs to my local FL2600 group and DEFCON 305, Hack City. 01:23:49.740 --> 01:23:51.160 And, Doug, what do you got? 01:23:52.080 --> 01:23:53.860 Shout-outs to Sub-Zero, of course. 01:23:54.140 --> 01:23:55.300 Everyone, be sure to check out. 01:23:55.340 --> 01:23:59.140 Normally I wouldn't say this, but be sure to watch the screensavers next Monday 01:23:59.140 --> 01:24:01.620 because him and DJ Mullis will be on, 01:24:01.620 --> 01:24:03.780 and hopefully I'll get to hang out with him for that weekend, too, 01:24:03.840 --> 01:24:04.680 because they'll be in L.A. 01:24:04.780 --> 01:24:06.040 They better pimp us on that show. 01:24:06.780 --> 01:24:07.780 Yeah, I told them. 01:24:07.880 --> 01:24:08.860 You've got to pimp BinRev. 01:24:08.880 --> 01:24:09.580 You've got to pimp everything. 01:24:10.100 --> 01:24:10.300 Yeah. 01:24:10.560 --> 01:24:11.460 Look, I hope that, 01:24:11.520 --> 01:24:14.200 I don't think that Kevin Rose will be the one interviewing him 01:24:14.200 --> 01:24:15.500 since he's not really the host anymore, 01:24:15.500 --> 01:24:18.120 but I think it would be kind of funny if he was. 01:24:18.500 --> 01:24:20.300 They should wear a shirt with, like, 01:24:20.300 --> 01:24:22.900 Kevin Rose with, like, crosshairs across his head or something. 01:24:23.600 --> 01:24:25.440 You should just wear a shirt that says Hack TV 01:24:25.440 --> 01:24:27.140 because he always gets to wear a shirt that says The Broken. 01:24:27.700 --> 01:24:29.720 Yeah, yeah, that's a good idea. 01:24:30.080 --> 01:24:30.800 That'd be a good idea. 01:24:30.800 --> 01:24:32.380 I don't know if he'll have the shirts ready by then, 01:24:32.440 --> 01:24:34.040 but anyway, yeah, I'll second that shout. 01:24:34.660 --> 01:24:36.500 But shout to Not There as well. 01:24:37.020 --> 01:24:37.580 Oh, he's a noob. 01:24:38.180 --> 01:24:39.040 Another busy man, 01:24:39.180 --> 01:24:40.660 and shout to Decoder, of course, 01:24:40.800 --> 01:24:41.920 and Lucky 225. 01:24:42.460 --> 01:24:43.760 Noob, noob, noob, noob. 01:24:43.900 --> 01:24:44.140 Okay. 01:24:44.860 --> 01:24:45.200 Is that it? 01:24:46.280 --> 01:24:46.560 Yeah. 01:24:46.780 --> 01:24:48.020 Lucky 225's a noob. 01:24:48.420 --> 01:24:49.420 Not There, he's a noob. 01:24:51.580 --> 01:24:52.300 Let's see. 01:24:52.800 --> 01:24:53.500 Email us. 01:24:53.800 --> 01:24:55.360 Radio at BinRev.com. 01:24:55.440 --> 01:24:56.180 Of course I love Decoder. 01:24:56.280 --> 01:24:57.020 Decoder's not a noob. 01:24:57.020 --> 01:24:58.260 But the rest of them are. 01:24:59.540 --> 01:25:01.020 Radio at BinRev.com. 01:25:01.040 --> 01:25:01.880 Come on, that's my dogs. 01:25:01.940 --> 01:25:02.880 I can joke like that. 01:25:03.420 --> 01:25:04.740 Radio at BinRev.com. 01:25:04.820 --> 01:25:06.900 Any feedback on anything you've heard on the show. 01:25:07.540 --> 01:25:10.640 Closing music tonight is from Ming and FS. 01:25:10.920 --> 01:25:12.280 It's called Rock Higher. 01:25:12.280 --> 01:25:14.000 I don't think I've used this before. 01:25:14.280 --> 01:25:16.700 So, that's going to do it. 01:25:17.200 --> 01:25:18.000 You know what, though? 01:25:18.120 --> 01:25:20.700 I mean, Doug, you said earlier, 01:25:20.940 --> 01:25:21.820 when we were talking about, 01:25:21.920 --> 01:25:23.180 we both said this, 01:25:23.220 --> 01:25:24.380 but you said, quote, 01:25:24.940 --> 01:25:26.300 I love doing internet radio. 01:25:26.400 --> 01:25:27.200 You said that. 01:25:27.960 --> 01:25:28.100 Yeah. 01:25:28.100 --> 01:25:29.260 And I do agree with you. 01:25:29.340 --> 01:25:30.540 I like doing internet radio. 01:25:31.600 --> 01:25:33.280 But frankly, I still need my break. 01:25:33.960 --> 01:25:34.160 All right. 01:25:34.160 --> 01:25:35.240 I'm putting you on the spot. 01:25:35.720 --> 01:25:37.100 Can you do the show for a couple weeks? 01:25:38.080 --> 01:25:39.700 This show right here. 01:25:39.840 --> 01:25:40.540 This show right here. 01:25:40.540 --> 01:25:41.640 I know you'll take it serious. 01:25:42.040 --> 01:25:43.360 I know you'll follow the format. 01:25:43.640 --> 01:25:44.720 I know you can handle it. 01:25:44.760 --> 01:25:47.000 I have confidence that you definitely can handle the job. 01:25:47.960 --> 01:25:49.380 Do me a favor and take the show off 01:25:49.380 --> 01:25:50.260 so I can take a break. 01:25:51.060 --> 01:25:51.420 Sure. 01:25:51.540 --> 01:25:52.020 Not a problem. 01:25:52.120 --> 01:25:53.020 I can fill it for you. 01:25:53.160 --> 01:25:53.900 Can you do that? 01:25:54.300 --> 01:25:55.360 Yeah, I can fill it for you. 01:25:55.440 --> 01:25:55.900 All right. 01:25:55.980 --> 01:25:58.880 Well, then, we're going to give that a shot next week. 01:25:59.460 --> 01:26:02.140 Let's see if you hear from me next week 01:26:02.140 --> 01:26:03.440 or from Doug next week. 01:26:03.720 --> 01:26:04.320 A shot. 01:26:05.060 --> 01:26:05.820 A shot. 01:26:06.380 --> 01:26:07.420 Let's see what happens. 01:26:07.420 --> 01:26:12.000 And I guess that'll do it for episode 82 in the book. 01:26:12.140 --> 01:26:15.700 So I guess this will be my last time for a while 01:26:15.700 --> 01:26:18.540 saying that we will see everybody next week. 01:26:18.680 --> 01:26:19.480 Same hack time. 01:26:20.160 --> 01:26:20.940 Same hack channel. 01:26:20.940 --> 01:26:36.300 I mean, we all know. 01:26:36.300 --> 01:26:37.400 Bye. 01:26:37.460 --> 01:26:41.740 Bye. 01:26:43.540 --> 01:26:43.760 Bye. 01:26:46.360 --> 01:26:47.020 Bye. 01:26:47.660 --> 01:26:48.080 Bye. 01:26:48.220 --> 01:26:48.720 Bye. 01:26:48.720 --> 01:26:48.800 Bye. 01:26:48.820 --> 01:26:49.240 Bye. 01:26:49.380 --> 01:26:49.460 Bye. 01:26:49.480 --> 01:26:49.920 Bye. 01:26:49.940 --> 01:26:49.980 Bye. 01:26:49.980 --> 01:27:19.960 Ha ha ha ha ha ha! 01:27:19.980 --> 01:27:49.960 Ha ha ha ha! 01:27:49.980 --> 01:28:19.960 Ha ha ha ha ha! 01:28:19.980 --> 01:28:49.960 Ha ha ha ha ha! 01:28:49.980 --> 01:29:19.960 Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! 01:29:19.960 --> 01:29:49.940 Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! 01:29:49.940 --> 01:29:52.000 Ha ha ha ha! 01:29:52.000 --> 01:29:54.140 Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! 01:29:54.140 --> 01:29:54.780 Ha ha ha ha ha! 01:29:54.780 --> 01:30:24.760 Thank you. 01:30:24.780 --> 01:30:54.760 Thank you. 01:30:54.780 --> 01:31:24.760 Thank you. 01:31:24.780 --> 01:31:26.780 Thank you.