WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:09.460 This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers, to the hackers and the crackers. 00:09.860 --> 00:15.520 I see in binary, I speak source code, step on my toes, I'll post a million jpegs of you 00:15.520 --> 00:20.780 and a fag poned, in your digital stance getting firewalled ho, cause I'm riding the net in 00:20.780 --> 00:26.460 my six-fold, I was a dick with my 56, now with my cable I'm able to get that stable, 00:26.460 --> 00:31.980 on the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo, on the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm 00:31.980 --> 00:37.240 a hero, in a flash, I'll screw you on burning dreamcast, you need some ISO, let me through 00:37.240 --> 00:42.680 my hard drive rifle, our exchange you could never stifle, in a digital hug, you just caught 00:42.680 --> 00:48.940 the love bug, I bootlegged your CD, I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z, cause CG, it's 00:48.940 --> 00:53.440 all gonna be free, whether we take it by force or we take it nicely, you feel that rattling 00:53.440 --> 00:58.140 your bones, when I tell you we just hacked out Jones, and NASDAQ leaves you flat on your 00:58.140 --> 01:03.500 back, cause I am he who loves to hack and crack, cause I am he who loves to hack and crack. 01:03.920 --> 01:11.160 This is dedicated to the hackers and the crackers, serial codes, source codes, ISOs, RANs, SIPs, 01:11.160 --> 01:14.180 SIPs, this is dedicated to the hackers and crack. 01:14.960 --> 01:22.600 Hello everyone and welcome to Binary Revolution Radio episode 84, damn already 84 episodes, I 01:22.600 --> 01:25.540 don't know how you can do this, what, 80 times? I can't even do this two times. 01:25.880 --> 01:30.040 Well technically one episode's quote lost, I don't know where that is. 01:30.100 --> 01:34.040 Well that's what I'm saying, well I'd say 81 or 82 times he's done this show, so I don't 01:34.040 --> 01:40.140 know man, this is the second one and I'm already tired. But we're coming at you February 22nd, 01:40.140 --> 01:44.220 2005 and that voice you heard was Lucky 225 of course. 01:44.220 --> 01:49.280 That's right, cause no one else wanted to co-host with me, so, no I'm just playing with you. 01:49.280 --> 01:52.560 Uh, second week hosting Binrev, both of us actually. 01:52.560 --> 01:53.600 That's right. 01:53.600 --> 01:57.560 Uh, I did get a lot of good feedback of last week's show, they really liked just hearing 01:57.560 --> 01:59.160 us and hearing us ramble on, so. 01:59.160 --> 02:03.120 We did, cause uh, I only see three emails here in the email back. 02:03.120 --> 02:06.800 Well, I'm talking about last week's show, they commented on our last week's show they 02:06.800 --> 02:07.560 liked, so. 02:07.560 --> 02:08.560 Oh okay. 02:08.560 --> 02:12.240 Uh, I wish the show was up for download though, because otherwise we would have a lot more 02:12.240 --> 02:16.480 email. Right now we have barely any email to read, so hopefully we can fill up the space 02:16.480 --> 02:21.120 somehow. But uh, yeah, StankDog, he couldn't put it up, he was busy of course, so he didn't 02:21.120 --> 02:25.440 have time to put it up. But we got some email, um, about their Callerity talk last week from 02:25.440 --> 02:26.440 just one guy, so. 02:26.440 --> 02:32.160 Yeah, one noob, no I'm just kidding, this guy's pretty cool. 02:32.160 --> 02:36.160 You would agree with him, so before we get into that, let's play the email theme. 02:36.160 --> 03:05.120 Alright, our first email is from Flipping Pages here, I actually printed the show notes on 03:05.120 --> 03:06.120 actual paper. 03:06.120 --> 03:08.640 Shaga, Shaga, thank you, Lucky. What are you reading to you? 03:08.640 --> 03:10.800 I'm reading the, I'm reading the show notes man. 03:10.800 --> 03:12.080 Uh, I forgot, yeah, you have the- 03:12.080 --> 03:13.520 You're the host here, shouldn't you be prepared? 03:13.520 --> 03:16.560 No, but you should read the email too. You can read the email too. You're the co-host, 03:16.560 --> 03:18.480 you're not just, I'm not the host, we're co-hosts. 03:18.480 --> 03:20.720 I'm not supposed to read the email dude, the host does that. 03:20.720 --> 03:22.560 StankDog always says the co-host read the email. 03:22.560 --> 03:25.440 I've never once read the email, what are you talking about? 03:25.440 --> 03:27.280 Dude, StankDog always reads it. 03:27.280 --> 03:29.440 Dude, he has let, he's let me read the email before. 03:31.760 --> 03:32.160 Alright. 03:32.160 --> 03:35.440 I want you to read- I'm only reading this one though. 03:35.440 --> 03:39.280 Yeah, well it's cause, you know, your topic mainly, so that's why I want you to read it. 03:39.280 --> 03:40.160 Okay. 03:40.160 --> 03:40.320 Okay. 03:40.320 --> 03:41.280 Okay. 03:41.280 --> 03:48.000 I won't ignore calls because of caller ID, but I do like to have some idea of who I am about 03:48.000 --> 03:53.360 to talk to. If it is somebody I don't want to talk to, or if it's blocked, I will still 03:53.360 --> 03:59.200 probably answer. I do see Lucky's point of view where you want to block your number from going 03:59.200 --> 04:06.320 through, but I don't think people should ignore calls because of who it says is supposedly calling. 04:06.320 --> 04:06.800 Shoggin. 04:08.000 --> 04:08.320 Alright. 04:08.320 --> 04:11.360 I might have added that supposedly in his email. 04:12.720 --> 04:13.600 Okay, I thought so. 04:14.160 --> 04:15.760 Cause that's not what's on my copy here. 04:15.760 --> 04:20.880 Um, but anyways, I got rid of my caller ID boxes. All of them. 04:20.880 --> 04:21.280 You did? 04:21.600 --> 04:26.320 I've gotten new- I've even bought new phones now where I don't even care if caller ID call- 04:26.320 --> 04:29.440 I used to be so anal about this, like I want my phone to have caller ID call waiting. Not 04:29.440 --> 04:33.520 just caller ID, I want caller ID call waiting, and I don't even care anymore. I don't even 04:33.520 --> 04:34.080 deal with caller ID. 04:34.240 --> 04:35.680 Really? Last week, I mean- 04:35.680 --> 04:38.960 Last week I totally had a strong point of view, but you know what, I'm trying this because 04:38.960 --> 04:42.240 to me, I try to make my point, it's not that big of a deal. 04:42.480 --> 04:46.640 It's not, it's not, and what I tried to, you know, I forgot to mention this last week. 04:46.640 --> 04:47.040 Go ahead. 04:47.680 --> 04:49.620 Just throw PBX on your POTS line. 04:49.880 --> 04:50.320 That's- 04:50.320 --> 04:55.100 And, you know, give, you can have extensions that forward to extensions, and then you can 04:55.100 --> 04:59.680 just give people you don't like the one extension, and then if they become a problem, you just 04:59.680 --> 05:00.620 erase that extension. 05:00.860 --> 05:02.100 They can't contact you anymore. 05:02.260 --> 05:06.160 That is a good idea. There's this one, that's like the cheapest one I found. It's hard to find 05:06.160 --> 05:08.860 on eBay because they do raise up because they're always selling them with tons of phones and 05:08.860 --> 05:13.400 everything, but it's a Panasonic, not exactly sure of the model number. I know there's a 05:13.400 --> 05:18.680 616, a T616 in it, just like the Sony phone, but it is the best one that I've seen because 05:18.680 --> 05:24.000 it's so simple. Scott, our friend Scott from the SoCal Bridge has that, and you just call 05:24.000 --> 05:26.960 it up. You can have any kind of greeting you want, just give your extension to people 05:26.960 --> 05:29.820 you know, that way you don't have to worry about telemarketers or just, you know, random 05:29.820 --> 05:33.360 calls, and if someone gets your number and harasses you, that's why you have extensions. 05:33.480 --> 05:35.860 Just change the extensions. Ah, the extensions, sorry. 05:36.160 --> 05:39.180 Change the extensions, and you're all set to go. You know, you can just set up a greeting, 05:39.800 --> 05:42.480 enter your extension. If you do not have one, just hang up, you know? 05:42.760 --> 05:48.620 Yeah, exactly, and you know, even if a telemarketer somehow gets the extension, you'll know who 05:48.620 --> 05:52.160 sold that information to the telemarketer by what extension they dialed. 05:52.260 --> 05:52.620 Exactly. 05:52.840 --> 05:53.660 I mean... 05:53.660 --> 05:56.620 Yeah, seriously, it's the best solution, so... 05:56.620 --> 06:01.080 Yeah, yeah, so, you know, fuck Caller ID. We don't say that on this show very much, 06:01.080 --> 06:06.240 but I'm just saying, throw a PBX on your line. You don't need Caller ID. 06:06.300 --> 06:10.020 Yeah, and you don't have to have expensive equipment, just one PBX. You can hook up your 06:10.020 --> 06:13.600 normal phone. You need at least one digital phone so you can configure and change settings 06:13.600 --> 06:17.080 and everything, but you can have your normal cordless phone hooked up to them. They're real 06:17.080 --> 06:23.280 easy to set up. Or, like most people these days, set up asterisk. You can even set up asterisk 06:23.280 --> 06:25.080 with extensions, so don't even... 06:25.080 --> 06:28.620 Or, if you really want to go out, go with VoicePulse and get virtual numbers. 06:29.140 --> 06:31.240 Yeah, you can give out virtual numbers. Those are cheap. 06:31.480 --> 06:31.740 Yeah. 06:31.840 --> 06:35.160 And you can have call forwarding for each one, you know, different numbers for different 06:35.160 --> 06:40.200 things. It's cheap. So, yeah, no need for Caller ID. I'm doing pretty well. I still 06:40.200 --> 06:43.960 have Caller ID on my cell phone, because you can't get rid of that, but I don't look at 06:43.960 --> 06:47.000 it really. I don't, you know, I just answer, like, I don't even bother looking. I just open 06:47.000 --> 06:49.900 the flip, and there you go. So, let's see how long that'll last. 06:50.200 --> 06:50.460 Yeah. 06:51.060 --> 06:54.360 Although, you did call me earlier today, and I kind of ignored it, but... 06:54.360 --> 06:55.580 Oh, is that so? 06:55.900 --> 06:56.460 But... 06:56.460 --> 07:00.360 Well, that's because it was accident's number that was showing up. See, there you go with 07:00.360 --> 07:00.960 that Caller ID. 07:01.200 --> 07:01.460 Yeah. 07:01.480 --> 07:04.620 It was accident. You thought it was accident calling, but it was really me. 07:04.660 --> 07:09.980 That's going to be the one problem, is when... I'm going to try to, like, to ignore Caller 07:09.980 --> 07:14.180 ID, but certain there's still times that there are certain people that I know damn well it's 07:14.180 --> 07:16.780 done, because I know they're not spoofing. I know they're not related to anything spoofing, 07:16.800 --> 07:20.160 and I'm still... there's certain people I still don't want to talk to, so probably what I'll 07:20.160 --> 07:22.480 just do is not give out my number to anyone except... 07:22.480 --> 07:24.520 Except who you need to have. 07:24.540 --> 07:27.860 Who I want to, yeah. I'll just give other people a voicemail number. I think that's 07:27.860 --> 07:29.840 going to be the easy solution, just give them voicemail numbers. 07:30.640 --> 07:32.200 Yeah, or get a pager or something. 07:32.200 --> 07:42.520 Yeah. The only thing I use my Caller ID box for is my new phone line, because I have 07:42.520 --> 07:46.620 both the new phone DID, which is a Michigan number, and I have a toll-free number. And 07:46.620 --> 07:49.520 the useful thing about that is if they call the toll-free number on the name field, it'll 07:49.520 --> 07:54.680 show up as toll-free call, so I know if I'm paying for the call or not. So that's the one 07:54.680 --> 08:00.260 useful thing. Actually, that number 800-710-DUG that's on the website, it's connected in the 08:00.260 --> 08:05.560 garage right now, so if anyone ever wants to call it, I'll answer. No Caller ID box, 08:05.640 --> 08:06.860 obviously, so don't worry about it. 08:07.800 --> 08:11.300 Yeah, you just go back and check your call logs and grab their CPN, right? 08:11.420 --> 08:15.720 Yeah, that's the same... Well, nah. I don't care about numbers. I mean, Sub-Zero uses the 08:15.720 --> 08:19.520 number two for Geek Love Radio. Of course, they don't say it as Doug, they just say 3684 08:19.520 --> 08:22.920 as the last four, but I mean, they use it for their show. We were trying to work on it last 08:22.920 --> 08:27.980 night for Geek Love Radio, but we were configuring it like 30 minutes right before the show, 08:27.980 --> 08:32.080 because he had some interview and they were real busy, so we didn't get all the bugs and 08:32.080 --> 08:37.240 fixes done yet, so hopefully next show's week they'll have an actual official real call 08:37.240 --> 08:38.240 in line and a good show going. 08:38.260 --> 08:42.080 Yeah, maybe they can get their own 800 number, like, 710-LOVE or something. 08:42.740 --> 08:44.980 Geek. Yeah, 710-GEEK. 08:45.180 --> 08:48.660 There you go. Well, they were talking about, like, even Sub was mentioning, he might have 08:48.660 --> 08:51.960 like a pre-screener, actually, like someone to, you know, write down the questions and stuff 08:51.960 --> 08:54.320 and then patch them through, and I was like, that's actually a good idea. You could just do 08:54.320 --> 09:00.800 that. Yeah, there you go. But, let's go to the next email, enough about Callerity. Callerity's 09:00.800 --> 09:07.880 for noobs. This next email is from 31337. I don't know what that means, but, uh, subject 09:07.880 --> 09:11.800 is, oh my god, media horror. Wow, Stank, surprised to see you on Animal Planet. Glad to see you 09:11.800 --> 09:15.960 on national TV. Too bad you didn't say anything about binrev.com or promote your show. Cool 09:15.960 --> 09:20.960 crap, though. Is that your Hummer? Also, why didn't you mention war shitting? 31337. 09:20.960 --> 09:25.760 We're not StankDog, so we can't answer his question. I really don't know anything about 09:25.760 --> 09:29.700 this. I saw something on the forums. I guess StankDog was on Animal Planet. He didn't promote 09:29.700 --> 09:33.340 anything, because, well, I don't know what the subject says. He's not a media whore. He's 09:33.340 --> 09:38.400 not going to be like, oh, wearing a hack TV shirt, you know? But, uh, yeah, I guess he 09:38.400 --> 09:42.800 was on Animal Planet. He didn't promote anything, so he's not a whore. But, I guess, I don't 09:42.800 --> 09:45.220 know, I don't even know why the story is. Hopefully, he'll answer his hat next week. 09:45.220 --> 09:51.420 Yeah. Uh, I saw some post in binrev, actually, on the forums about Stank being on, uh, Animal 09:51.420 --> 09:55.460 Planet. And they were like, I don't know what the hell this has to do with sharks, but, uh, 09:55.460 --> 09:59.300 alright. Well, what did he say on there, do you know? Like, what did he talk about, or 09:59.300 --> 10:04.340 why he was on there? I don't know. I had talked to Stank about it once. He mentioned how it 10:04.340 --> 10:10.860 related to sharks, but I don't really know. Well, hopefully Stank will clear the whole story 10:10.860 --> 10:17.640 up next week. Yeah, hopefully. Um, from Seth is Root. I think it's Seth is Root. Yeah. 10:17.980 --> 10:23.480 Alright, dear Stank. I think, uh, let me fix that. He says Doug. Uh, I love the show, especially 10:23.480 --> 10:30.520 episode 78 with, uh, Alanka. Yeah. And 79 with Decius. Yep. Dealing with, uh, cryptography. 10:30.780 --> 10:35.200 Cryptography. Thank you, Lucky. I found the subject to be very interesting, and the show is to be 10:35.200 --> 10:41.560 very informative. I have used PGP for a few years now, and use crypto... Cryptography. 10:41.800 --> 10:45.340 Yeah, every time I see that word, I'm going to think of you, uh, on a regular basis in 10:45.340 --> 10:49.660 military, but I've never took the time to learn how it works. Uh, I find to do research 10:49.660 --> 10:54.480 of crypto further, whether I get some free time. Now that I've stroked your ego and get 10:54.480 --> 10:59.300 this message to be right on the air, LOL, I was thinking that maybe you could do a show 10:59.300 --> 11:03.240 on social engineering. People often overlook the aspect of hacking, and it's usually the 11:03.240 --> 11:08.020 easiest and quickest, uh, way into a system. Just a thought. Keep up the good show. Uh, 11:08.240 --> 11:13.200 keep up the good job with the show. Set this route. Uh, here's a PS here. I love DocDropper 11:13.200 --> 11:18.260 site. I've already, uh, sponged up all the information on it. I'm currently working on a 11:18.260 --> 11:23.860 doc to submit as to not be a leech and finding time while being deployed to Iraq is difficult. 11:25.420 --> 11:30.680 Okay. Lucky. Social engineering, huh? Lucky, this is your field, not mine. Field of expertise. 11:30.680 --> 11:38.100 I think social engineering is the coolest thing, and... Yeah, definitely. Um, I mean, and this 11:38.100 --> 11:44.220 kind of segues in a little bit into our, uh, show and tell about Paris Hilton, right? 11:44.660 --> 11:48.820 Yeah, yeah, we are actually going to that area. I mean, there's not, that was the last email, 11:49.000 --> 11:55.240 so, enough with the email, let's get right into social engineering. Yeah, um, there are several 11:55.240 --> 12:01.220 theories right now about how this Paris Hilton hack came out. Right. Um, there's a lot that's 12:01.220 --> 12:07.600 on the news. And ilmob.org and their zero-day folder, there was a T-Mobile exploit.zip or 12:07.600 --> 12:12.560 something like that that had a text file on how their website was actually, the Sidekick 12:12.560 --> 12:17.720 website was actually vulnerable. Right. And you could actually get into anyone's Sidekick 12:17.720 --> 12:22.680 account. Um, that was back from last year, though. We think it's been patched already, so we don't 12:22.680 --> 12:30.420 think that that's likely. We think, um, a more likely solution would be either somebody social 12:30.420 --> 12:38.180 engineered this or knew the T-Mobile hacker that got, that, uh, got indicted or was found guilty, 12:38.180 --> 12:43.740 uh, a week before. Yeah. We think that might be likely. But it said right on the website that all 12:43.740 --> 12:48.560 of the information, uh, have been obtained with social engineering on these, uh, mirrored websites 12:48.560 --> 12:52.660 of Paris Hilton's pictures and everything. It did say that. Um, that's what their claim 12:52.660 --> 12:59.900 is that it was all obtained through social engineering. And, um, you know, like, yeah, 12:59.980 --> 13:04.920 you might be able to find a vulnerability in T-Mobile's website to access someone's Sidekick 13:04.920 --> 13:09.060 account. But an easier way would just be to call up T-Mobile, you know, if you have the 13:09.060 --> 13:13.720 information and try and, try and get one of their representatives, just divulge the password 13:13.720 --> 13:19.460 to you and there you go. We've been through a lot of, we've been witnesses to a lot of situations 13:19.460 --> 13:23.260 from conferences where people we don't even know that have done that, you know, it's just 13:23.260 --> 13:28.280 insane because. Oh yeah, definitely. Um. You're not secure with these companies. I was talking 13:28.280 --> 13:34.000 to a friend of mine, which will remain anonymous. Um. Right. You know, and, uh, the same day 13:34.000 --> 13:38.100 the Paris Hilton hat came out, he was talking about someone that was running his mouth on 13:38.100 --> 13:43.380 a party line or something. And, uh, one of his friends pulled all, all his T-Mobile call logs. 13:43.460 --> 13:47.600 The guy changed his number four times that night. Each time they just called T-Mobile and got 13:47.600 --> 13:51.560 the new number. Off to the, that account number and account number. Yeah, all, yeah, all you 13:51.560 --> 13:55.500 gotta do is get the account number and you're basically good to go because it's like, ooh, 13:55.580 --> 13:58.540 who else would have the account number? Well, that was the thing that they were talking 13:58.540 --> 14:02.540 about in the news with Jessica Simpson because someone kept pulling her number. I don't know 14:02.540 --> 14:06.860 how she figured this out before Paris Hilton, but she changed the account name and the account 14:06.860 --> 14:10.900 number. And they even did, like, a thing on her reality show where she actually, like, 14:10.920 --> 14:14.860 goes, oh, they're getting my new number through the account name. Yeah. What, you think 14:14.860 --> 14:20.200 Paris Hilton would figure this out? No. Paris Hilton is a noob. I mean, she's, I think 14:20.200 --> 14:26.100 on KevinRose.com it said that her email, that her, uh, voicemail was also vulnerable to 14:26.100 --> 14:30.980 caller ID spoofing attacks through T-Mobile. Yeah. And that's the thing. Caller ID spoof, 14:31.040 --> 14:35.660 that was the thing. Everyone's T-Mobile is on default. Like, all these celebrities, their 14:35.660 --> 14:40.020 T-Mobile is on default. Yeah. And now with, uh, with covert call and all these things going 14:40.020 --> 14:43.340 in public with tech TV, you know, showing you how to caller ID spoof, these things that, 14:43.600 --> 14:47.340 you know, a couple of us have been doing for years. Now everyone's been able to do this. 14:47.740 --> 14:54.220 Paris Hilton, Ashley Olsen, Jessica Simpson, Chad Musk, all these people in her address book. 14:54.680 --> 14:59.360 They have T-Mobile. T-Mobile. I'm betting you all of them are on default. 14:59.360 --> 15:03.820 Well, on Kevin Rose's site, it said, it said out of all those people, all the celebrities 15:03.820 --> 15:08.520 that had T-Mobile, only Paris Hilton herself and Vin Diesel, uh, were on default. 15:08.520 --> 15:13.120 Well, and I think Ashley Olsen. I don't know how I would know that, but let's just say a 15:13.120 --> 15:18.760 conversation. I don't think she has it on default. But, uh, yeah, I don't, that's just the thing. 15:18.820 --> 15:21.580 I mean, it's, we've, we talked about this on default radio, obviously celebrities don't 15:21.580 --> 15:25.360 listen to default radio, but the number one thing you want to do is turn off that one 15:25.360 --> 15:30.320 feature. Yeah. Which is, no, you don't want to, you want to enter your password from your 15:30.320 --> 15:34.240 own phone. Yeah. You always want to enter your password. Why wouldn't you want it? I mean, 15:34.240 --> 15:39.460 if someone steals your phone, like if you're, if someone steals your cell phone, now they 15:39.460 --> 15:44.120 can, now they can check your messages from your phone. Yeah. You really, like even, you 15:44.120 --> 15:48.560 don't even have to call her. If someone steals your phone, now they can check your messages 15:48.560 --> 15:52.100 too. And they don't even have to have like a voicemail secret number. They hold in one 15:52.100 --> 15:58.420 or something. Yeah. It's really, it's really quiet. Don't be lazy. Enter your password, you 15:58.420 --> 16:03.880 know? Yeah. Seriously. It's not that hard. So, I mean, at least with companies like Verizon 16:03.880 --> 16:08.860 and AT&T and Singular, they don't have that option at all. No. With their cell phones, 16:08.960 --> 16:11.380 their landlines, I think they do, but with their cell phones, they don't even have that 16:11.380 --> 16:14.780 option. I know when I had Verizon wireless, you always had to enter your password. There 16:14.780 --> 16:18.480 was no way to get around it. Sprint used to, well, Sprint used to be just like T-Mobile. 16:18.580 --> 16:21.780 Now they have other kinds of security where you got to be like in the same area and crap 16:21.780 --> 16:26.420 like that. Yeah. But I mean, even so with Sprint, if they have that protection where you 16:26.420 --> 16:29.980 can't spoof CallRD, if someone still steals your Sprint phone, they can still, and they're 16:29.980 --> 16:34.480 in your area, they can still check your voicemail and everything. Yeah. You got to always have 16:34.480 --> 16:40.020 it. Always enter your password. Always. Yeah. So, Parasilton is on default. Oh, well, 16:40.080 --> 16:44.440 anyways. You sort of got out of the social engineering. I totally got out of the track here. Let's 16:44.440 --> 16:49.720 go back and, enough about protection. Yeah. Don't keep your shit on default. Next. Yeah. 16:49.840 --> 16:54.800 Social engineering. I mean, it can do a lot for you. It can get you free pizzas, as 16:54.800 --> 17:00.340 Kevin Rose has pointed out, or accident. I think accident called up and said he had 17:00.340 --> 17:04.980 a coupon for a free two-topping pizza, and then he went in and he was like, oh my god, 17:05.060 --> 17:09.540 I totally forgot the coupon. And it's like, well, what are we going to do with this pizza? 17:09.680 --> 17:13.680 We have to give it to him. Yeah. We're not going to eat it. We don't like what he likes. 17:14.220 --> 17:20.520 Yeah. Exactly. So, I mean, and there's a whole bunch of other things. Like, for instance, 17:20.520 --> 17:26.620 when I got my AT&T wireless phone, I got a TDMA phone. It wasn't GSM at first. Right. 17:26.740 --> 17:31.660 The sales guy tried to pressure me. He was like, oh, you don't want GSM. There's no coverage 17:31.660 --> 17:39.560 area. Oh, I'm like, okay, whatever. I'm all fine. I'll get the TDMA phone until GSM becomes 17:39.560 --> 17:46.620 available in our area. Yeah. Or wider spread, rather. So, anyways, I get this TDMA phone, 17:46.620 --> 17:53.480 and at the same time, he's telling me, why wouldn't you want TDMA anyways? It's so much 17:53.480 --> 17:58.660 better. And I'm like, no, it's not. I'm all, GSM has far more better features. He's all, 17:58.900 --> 18:03.500 yeah, but TDMA sounds better, and why wouldn't you want it? I'm all, I wouldn't want it because 18:03.500 --> 18:08.600 somebody could clone me if they find out my ESN. He's all, there's no way anyone could find out 18:08.600 --> 18:13.860 your ESN. They need thousands of dollars in equipment. I'm all, no. All I'd have to do is drop 18:13.860 --> 18:19.360 into analog mode once, and anyone with a scanner could get it. Yep. But, there's another way that 18:19.360 --> 18:24.060 somebody could get my ESN, even if I'm not in analog mode, and that is by social engineering. 18:24.060 --> 18:28.020 Social engineering, yeah. And the phone, this particular phone he sold me had a recording 18:28.020 --> 18:34.660 mode on it, so I decided to see how easy it would be to get my ESN, just to prove to this guy that 18:34.660 --> 18:38.980 you don't need thousands of dollars in equipment. Is this the conversation you recorded years ago? 18:38.980 --> 18:44.080 No. I recorded it in October of 2003. Dude, that was the first, yeah, that was the month I first 18:44.080 --> 18:47.000 met you in person, like, from the conferences, and then that was like the first, hey, you gotta 18:47.000 --> 18:51.640 check this out. I was like, I don't even know who the hell you are. But anyways, go ahead. 18:52.680 --> 19:01.460 Well, anyways, yeah, man, so, I call up a local AT&T wireless store in my area, and they answer, 19:01.600 --> 19:07.340 and they're like, AT&T Wireless Ontario? I'm like, yeah, this is John from AT&T Wireless in Chino. 19:07.340 --> 19:12.540 Are your computers up over there? They go, yeah, I'm all, oh, great. Our network's down 19:12.540 --> 19:19.220 over here, and I got a customer here who wants to do, or who already did an exchange on their 19:19.220 --> 19:23.680 phone. They exchanged the phones, and now they're saying that when they try to make a 19:23.680 --> 19:32.260 phone call, it says their number's not recognized on the AT&T network. And I think it's just the 19:32.260 --> 19:37.820 guy's ESN hasn't, they didn't program the guy's ESN before he left with the phone, and 19:37.820 --> 19:42.500 I just wanted to make sure, but I can't check into the system what ESN he has. And they're 19:42.500 --> 19:47.620 all like, oh, okay, well, what's the mobile number? And I give him my cell phone number. 19:47.860 --> 19:47.960 Right. 19:47.960 --> 19:55.020 Right. And she goes, okay, what should the ESN be? I say, you know what? The guy just 19:55.020 --> 19:59.820 left with his, he went out to his car to get the phone. Why don't you just tell me what 19:59.820 --> 20:04.980 the ESN number is? I'll write it down, and I'll check it against the phone that he has 20:04.980 --> 20:11.060 when he comes back into the store. Okay. And she just reads off the ESN to me. So, and all 20:11.060 --> 20:16.660 you need is the phone number and the ESN to clone a phone. That's all you need. And I 20:16.660 --> 20:21.200 actually have that recording on my phone still. I'll probably upload it as a WAV file or something. 20:21.440 --> 20:21.720 Yeah. 20:21.920 --> 20:27.440 And, you know, the social engineer, like, why waste all your time trying to hack into something 20:27.440 --> 20:32.560 or buy scanners to listen to Alonimo? I can just make one phone call and get the information 20:32.560 --> 20:34.900 out of, out of whoever picks up the phone. 20:35.020 --> 20:36.360 It's, it's, it's easier thing. 20:36.360 --> 20:42.040 You know, it's just, it's real easy, especially, especially with all this caller ID spoofing 20:42.040 --> 20:44.200 and whatnot. What, what the hell are you doing, Doug? 20:44.380 --> 20:45.560 Did you hear the phone ringing? 20:46.240 --> 20:48.040 You're not answering that on the show, are you? 20:48.040 --> 20:51.480 I gotta, I gotta turn off my phone. Sorry about that. Continue. I forgot to turn off my 20:51.480 --> 20:52.520 cell phone. Anyways, go ahead. 20:52.900 --> 20:58.680 Anyways, I mean, and then even with, even with caller ID spoofing, I always wanted to spoof 20:58.680 --> 21:01.280 caller ID. That was my big thing. That's why I'm so into it. 21:01.280 --> 21:02.440 I think we, we all did, man. 21:02.440 --> 21:06.380 Like, back when caller ID first came out, I'm like, wouldn't it be great if I could 21:06.380 --> 21:11.500 just make it appear as if any number I wanted? And, you know, that's when I learned about 21:11.500 --> 21:15.000 Annie and caller ID fail and Annie fail and all that stuff. 21:15.120 --> 21:15.300 Yeah. 21:16.320 --> 21:23.140 Um, you know, and so I call, it all happened by accident. I called up my friend Flux, who 21:23.140 --> 21:29.680 lives in Canada, and, um, I was calling him. I gave him, I gave the operator 710 number 21:29.680 --> 21:34.580 as where I was calling from, and this made it so that collect calls, collect calls were 21:34.580 --> 21:40.300 based on where you were calling from. And 710 obviously isn't an actual area. It's a 21:40.300 --> 21:45.940 U.S. government area code. It's not a geographical area. So this would actually trick some, uh, 21:46.280 --> 21:51.080 companies, telephone companies into not billing the customer at all. 21:51.080 --> 21:54.820 Um, explain a little bit more about 710. I mean, I know, but I mean, for the audience, 21:54.960 --> 21:57.360 710, what exactly is the area code 710 used for? 21:57.360 --> 22:01.440 Uh, it's used for the U.S. government for a system called Government Emergency Telephone 22:01.440 --> 22:02.680 System, or GETS. 22:02.940 --> 22:03.120 Uh-huh. 22:03.120 --> 22:08.980 And, uh, there's only one phone number in that whole area code, and that's 710-627-GETS. 22:09.380 --> 22:09.700 It's... 22:09.700 --> 22:15.380 And it's, uh, basically a national number that's toll-free, and government officials who 22:15.380 --> 22:19.700 have this can use this phone number, they call in, they enter their calling card PIN, 22:20.120 --> 22:25.540 and in a national emergency, in a crisis, for example, in September 11th, if you were trying 22:25.540 --> 22:28.000 to make a call to New York, it would say, All Circuits Are Busy Now. 22:28.280 --> 22:28.520 Right. 22:28.580 --> 22:33.020 If you had a GETS PIN, you could call to New York, and it would be a priority call, and 22:33.020 --> 22:35.700 it would get through the All Circuits Are Busy, and actually ring the phone. 22:35.820 --> 22:38.000 But the, it's a calling card for government only. 22:38.260 --> 22:41.620 It's for government, and, um, also, some... 22:42.340 --> 22:46.160 There's also some non-government officials that can get the card. 22:46.260 --> 22:46.500 Yeah. 22:46.500 --> 22:48.700 But you have, you have to be, like, really tight with the government. 22:48.700 --> 22:51.600 You have to be really tight, so there's no, like, you know, sign-up form to have, you 22:51.600 --> 22:54.180 know, a calling plan, call, whatever, even if there's a crisis. 22:54.580 --> 22:59.660 However, um, an anonymous individual did social engineer a GETS PIN. 22:59.800 --> 23:00.300 Oh, God. 23:00.420 --> 23:01.840 Oh, see, there you go, more social engineering. 23:01.840 --> 23:03.140 There you go with social engineering. 23:03.480 --> 23:09.060 Um, uh, a couple years ago, somebody I know, personally, uh, I won't mention their name, 23:09.180 --> 23:15.160 social engineer a GETS PIN, and they were able to make, uh, emergency, or priority calls. 23:15.160 --> 23:15.560 Yeah. 23:15.720 --> 23:19.940 And, uh, the caller ID would show 710-627-GETS, which was awesome. 23:19.940 --> 23:21.540 Oh, my man, that's awesome. 23:22.040 --> 23:26.880 Um, but anyways, back to, back to Telus, the company I was talking about. 23:26.940 --> 23:27.120 Yeah. 23:27.340 --> 23:33.000 Um, I was just trying to call my friend Flux for free, and, uh, we discovered a billing 23:33.000 --> 23:37.540 error, where if you called with an anti-fail, and told the operator you were calling from 23:37.540 --> 23:42.880 a 710 number, and placed the call collect, there wouldn't be any rates, because they didn't 23:42.880 --> 23:47.720 have a, they didn't have an area for that to set up a geographical rate. 23:48.020 --> 23:48.160 Mm-hmm. 23:48.160 --> 23:52.980 So they didn't know what the rates were, and basically, it never appeared on the person's 23:52.980 --> 23:54.180 phone bill at all. 23:54.280 --> 23:54.620 Right. 23:54.620 --> 24:01.180 Um, well, during one of these calls that I placed to my friend Flux, um, he decided 24:01.180 --> 24:06.700 to dial star 69 to see what the phone number was on it, and the phone number came back as 24:06.700 --> 24:08.720 a 710 number that I gave the operator. 24:08.920 --> 24:12.620 So I'm like, whoa, I wonder if that's, that's the number being sent as caller ID. 24:13.000 --> 24:16.780 And we found out that, yes, indeed, it was the number being sent as caller ID. 24:16.780 --> 24:22.620 And, so I was like, oh, this is great, but how can I place this call without it being 24:22.620 --> 24:24.940 collect, so that I can spoof caller ID? 24:25.200 --> 24:25.500 Yeah. 24:25.900 --> 24:30.060 And, just off the whim, I picked up the phone, I didn't know what I was going to say. 24:30.420 --> 24:36.040 I just, I just, yeah, I just called the operator, I had her, I had her call Telus, which then 24:36.040 --> 24:37.540 saw an anti-fail. 24:37.680 --> 24:37.800 Right. 24:37.800 --> 24:39.340 She asked me where I was calling from. 24:39.680 --> 24:44.600 I said, ma'am, this is the Telus technician, you should see an anti-fail on your screen. 24:45.340 --> 24:47.880 And she says, yes, actually, it says anti-fail on my screen. 24:47.980 --> 24:49.600 I go, oh, okay, that's good. 24:49.940 --> 24:52.240 Okay, I'm going to need you to input this phone number. 24:52.360 --> 24:54.080 And I gave her the number that I wanted to spoof. 24:54.660 --> 24:59.620 And I said, and I'm going to need you to place a test call to the number that I wanted 24:59.620 --> 24:59.980 to call. 25:00.160 --> 25:00.360 Yeah. 25:00.540 --> 25:02.500 And she said, okay, what's the billing for this? 25:02.740 --> 25:06.620 I said, there is no billing, ma'am, I'm a technician, and this is just a test call, 25:06.620 --> 25:09.720 we're making sure that the trunks in that area are working fine. 25:10.300 --> 25:13.340 And she goes, okay, and she releases the call without billing. 25:13.520 --> 25:13.960 Without billing. 25:13.960 --> 25:17.340 And it just goes through, and the caller ID is spoofed as whatever number I want. 25:17.920 --> 25:22.760 And I brought this up with Kevin Mitnick the first time I ran into him at a book signing. 25:23.180 --> 25:29.300 I'm like, you wrote this book on social engineering, and in the caller ID spoofing section of your 25:29.300 --> 25:31.660 book, you left out the easiest way to spoof caller ID. 25:32.020 --> 25:32.940 And he goes, well, what's that? 25:33.560 --> 25:34.660 Well, social engineering. 25:35.100 --> 25:36.100 Yeah, exactly. 25:36.700 --> 25:39.320 Social engineering can get you anything you want. 25:39.480 --> 25:42.300 Spoof calls, free pizza, the works, man. 25:42.300 --> 25:43.460 Yeah, everything. 25:43.880 --> 25:45.520 Any information you want. 25:45.640 --> 25:47.820 Eating free pizza while spoofing your friends. 25:48.680 --> 25:49.900 Yeah, seriously. 25:50.900 --> 25:53.900 Getting personal information on individuals, on companies. 25:54.780 --> 25:57.080 Anything you want, you can get through social engineering. 25:57.180 --> 25:57.980 It's just sad. 25:58.100 --> 25:59.680 You can get personal information. 25:59.680 --> 26:05.360 You know, computer security, telephone security, and all that can be upgraded to just where 26:05.360 --> 26:06.280 it's locked down. 26:07.060 --> 26:11.280 You know, there's always going to be some flaw, some bug in the code or something, or 26:11.280 --> 26:15.640 something, some default setting that's going to allow you to hack into something. 26:15.640 --> 26:21.000 But even if they were, or if somebody is able to come up with a solution for all this, so 26:21.000 --> 26:25.540 that computer security and telephone security is to the max, where everyone's locked out, 26:25.660 --> 26:31.080 there is authentication modes that there's no way to get around to authentication, that 26:31.080 --> 26:32.500 you would still have social engineering. 26:32.820 --> 26:32.960 Yeah. 26:33.020 --> 26:34.960 There's always going to be some person who's an idiot. 26:35.080 --> 26:36.340 Well, it's that quote. 26:36.440 --> 26:37.480 I don't know who wrote this. 26:37.480 --> 26:41.600 I don't know who first said that, but, or, who first said it, but it was that, it was 26:41.600 --> 26:43.380 in someone's signature on the forums a long time ago. 26:43.820 --> 26:46.580 Social engineering, there's no patch for human stupidity. 26:46.640 --> 26:46.760 Right. 26:46.760 --> 26:47.520 There's no patch. 26:47.660 --> 26:48.780 Do you know who first said that? 26:48.860 --> 26:51.420 I have no idea who said that, but it's an awesome quote. 26:51.640 --> 26:55.000 Yeah, it is an awesome quote, and that's true, because, like you said, you can upgrade 26:55.000 --> 26:59.080 computers, you can put all this new security and passwords and everything, but all you 26:59.080 --> 27:02.300 got to do is just social engineer a person, an actual human being, you know? 27:02.660 --> 27:05.160 You're not breaking into anything, you know, with a computer or anything. 27:05.240 --> 27:05.860 You're just talking to them. 27:05.860 --> 27:11.500 That person has to know how to get in, and if that person knows, and if there's a will, 27:11.580 --> 27:12.020 there's a way. 27:12.280 --> 27:15.140 Why bother breaking into the system physically, you know, going through computers, when you 27:15.140 --> 27:17.860 just have someone else that actually can't have access to it do it for you? 27:18.260 --> 27:19.020 Yeah, definitely. 27:19.180 --> 27:21.860 It's the easy solution, so, social engineering. 27:22.020 --> 27:25.060 In fact, today you placed a social engineer call, Doug. 27:25.180 --> 27:25.520 I did. 27:26.200 --> 27:27.900 Yeah, I believe you did. 27:28.040 --> 27:28.420 For? 27:29.680 --> 27:30.940 For a certain school. 27:31.720 --> 27:34.040 Oh, yes, that's the best thing. 27:34.040 --> 27:39.020 People have talked about this on the forums months and months and months ago, and I've 27:39.020 --> 27:41.780 told some people, I've had the PA, the public announcement. 27:42.640 --> 27:43.320 The public address. 27:43.460 --> 27:44.380 Public address, sorry. 27:44.740 --> 27:48.180 The public address extension for the school's PBX. 27:48.340 --> 27:52.660 That is the extension to talk all over the entire school, every single intercom speaker 27:52.660 --> 27:53.580 in every single classroom. 27:53.580 --> 27:58.400 And one of the high schools out here, I've had that code forever, you know, I've tested 27:58.400 --> 27:59.540 it, it works, no big deal. 27:59.620 --> 28:03.560 I've never done anything stupid with it, because you don't want to mess around, you know, bless 28:03.560 --> 28:03.720 you. 28:03.960 --> 28:06.500 You don't want to mess around or anything, you don't want to, you know, fuck around with 28:06.500 --> 28:07.680 shit like that, because those are schools, man. 28:08.160 --> 28:11.880 But, I mean, they're the easiest people to social engineer, and I don't want to give out, 28:11.960 --> 28:15.520 like, how you can do it, but let me just say, it really is an easy thing to do, because 28:15.520 --> 28:17.300 they don't know what the hell's going on. 28:17.920 --> 28:20.900 You know, you could just say you're a technician, and they could, you know, give you anything. 28:20.980 --> 28:24.460 They don't ask for any kind of identification, you know, it's just, social engineering is 28:24.460 --> 28:25.240 a real, that's... 28:25.240 --> 28:26.200 Yeah, in fact... 28:26.200 --> 28:27.340 That's a big hole you've got to patch. 28:27.420 --> 28:29.740 Another thing with social engineering is settings. 28:30.120 --> 28:33.540 For instance, today, in your social engineer call, you use the RAIN. 28:33.640 --> 28:34.520 A RAIN as an excuse. 28:34.860 --> 28:36.980 You claim that you were a technician, and the... 28:36.980 --> 28:37.660 System was flooded. 28:37.660 --> 28:41.440 Yeah, that your computers were flooded, or the switch was flooded. 28:41.520 --> 28:43.500 We had to reconfigure everything, you know, yeah. 28:43.500 --> 28:48.240 And, you know, that's another thing that, a lot of people talk about social engineering 28:48.240 --> 28:53.160 as, you know, people are stupid, and, you know, you just make up something to get the 28:53.160 --> 28:54.000 information out of them. 28:54.360 --> 28:59.100 But settings are also a good way, they come into play with social engineering. 28:59.920 --> 29:04.880 For instance, when I was in high school, I had the dial-up number for the district, for 29:04.880 --> 29:05.580 the school district. 29:05.740 --> 29:05.960 Right. 29:05.960 --> 29:10.860 But, I didn't have a username or password, and, you know, it was HP Unix, I was like, 29:10.920 --> 29:14.040 ooh, I don't know how to route this, you know. 29:14.100 --> 29:14.480 Yeah, exactly. 29:14.480 --> 29:18.020 Like, I didn't know anything about computers, so I was like, how am I going to get a login 29:18.020 --> 29:18.560 for this? 29:19.100 --> 29:25.900 So, I called up my high school, and I said that I was a technician from the school district, 29:26.060 --> 29:30.460 and this was back in 1999. 29:31.100 --> 29:31.360 Okay. 29:31.360 --> 29:34.320 This was when everyone was freaking out about Y2K. 29:34.520 --> 29:35.900 Oh, the year 2000. 29:36.140 --> 29:36.260 Oh, yes. 29:36.340 --> 29:36.960 That's, yeah. 29:37.060 --> 29:45.380 And, anyone who lived in 1999, the Y2K, you could use that to social engineer anything. 29:46.260 --> 29:46.660 Anything. 29:46.940 --> 29:50.020 All you had to do was call up and say, there's a Y2K bug, we need this. 29:50.480 --> 29:51.900 And, anyone would give you anything. 29:52.280 --> 29:58.440 Anyway, so I called up my school, and I asked for the assistant principal, and I said, ma'am, 29:58.440 --> 30:06.760 this is a computer technician from the district, and we were doing some Y2K bug upgrades. 30:06.980 --> 30:09.960 We set the clocks forward to 2000, and our system crashed. 30:11.480 --> 30:13.500 We're trying to reset everyone's password. 30:13.780 --> 30:15.640 We're calling up everyone in the school district. 30:16.900 --> 30:20.940 We need your login, we need your username and your password so that we can reset it. 30:21.260 --> 30:25.300 If you're logged into the system right now, we suggest you don't log out because it will 30:25.300 --> 30:28.300 not work until we reset your password right now, ma'am. 30:28.440 --> 30:28.880 Oh, man. 30:28.940 --> 30:32.920 And so she goes, okay, well, my username is, and my password is this. 30:33.940 --> 30:36.920 And I say, okay, we're typing that in. 30:37.020 --> 30:37.780 Okay, great. 30:38.520 --> 30:41.200 Could you log out of your system, ma'am, and log right back in? 30:41.560 --> 30:43.120 And she logs out, and she logs in. 30:43.480 --> 30:44.300 And I go, did it work? 30:44.340 --> 30:45.200 She goes, yes, it did. 30:45.520 --> 30:46.780 I go, okay, ma'am, great. 30:47.060 --> 30:47.740 Everything's fixed. 30:48.440 --> 30:50.400 And, you know, that was the end of the call. 30:50.720 --> 30:50.860 Yeah. 30:50.920 --> 30:54.540 And now I had a brand new login that I could log into the school district. 30:54.680 --> 30:56.260 I could look up school district records. 30:56.660 --> 30:58.820 I could look up records on anyone in the district. 30:58.940 --> 31:03.380 Not just at my particular high school, but any student in the whole district. 31:03.520 --> 31:03.980 In the whole district. 31:04.140 --> 31:05.760 And I could change grades and all that. 31:05.840 --> 31:07.160 But, of course, I didn't do any of this. 31:07.260 --> 31:07.540 Oh, yeah. 31:07.540 --> 31:09.980 I just wanted to see if I could get a login. 31:09.980 --> 31:12.040 Just seeing how stupid people are. 31:12.160 --> 31:13.760 You know, you don't want to mess around with the system. 31:13.880 --> 31:15.340 I'm not just saying that to be safe, people. 31:15.500 --> 31:16.300 We don't encourage like people. 31:16.300 --> 31:17.080 I'm being serious. 31:17.120 --> 31:18.020 You don't want to fuck around. 31:18.800 --> 31:19.160 Yeah. 31:19.500 --> 31:22.240 And especially in this post-9-11 era. 31:22.380 --> 31:25.820 And especially now with people getting busted for doing things that are legal. 31:26.060 --> 31:27.860 You really don't want to mess around. 31:28.220 --> 31:28.720 Yeah, definitely. 31:28.720 --> 31:30.960 So, yeah, it's nothing to be messing around with. 31:31.040 --> 31:34.640 You know, with something with Paris Hilton, I wouldn't personally do that. 31:34.840 --> 31:36.480 But I give props to the guy that did that. 31:36.480 --> 31:37.620 Because that's the funniest thing ever. 31:38.400 --> 31:42.160 I mean, it's messed up that these celebrities' personal numbers are out there. 31:42.280 --> 31:44.280 But at the same time, you've got to say, that is pretty cool. 31:44.680 --> 31:44.880 You know? 31:45.100 --> 31:45.920 And you know what? 31:45.920 --> 31:48.500 But I feel sorry for the celebrities because now they've got to change all their numbers. 31:48.760 --> 31:50.060 So it's a two-faced situation. 31:50.200 --> 31:52.840 And T-Mobile's looking into it with their computer forensics team. 31:52.960 --> 31:59.780 You know, I'm sorry, T-Mobile, but your computer forensics team can't find a phone call placed to one of your representatives. 32:00.180 --> 32:00.340 Yeah. 32:00.740 --> 32:05.160 You know, they can sit there and say, oh, well, it was Paris Hilton's fault. 32:05.600 --> 32:07.060 Yeah, somebody knew her password. 32:07.160 --> 32:10.820 She must have given it or accidentally got a Trojan virus or something. 32:10.960 --> 32:11.680 Trojan virus. 32:11.680 --> 32:14.140 Well, you know, they're going to make up all kinds of things. 32:14.140 --> 32:14.600 And then people have said it was a blooper. 32:14.600 --> 32:15.020 But you know what? 32:15.140 --> 32:18.160 It was T-Mobile who, I bet you anything, it's T-Mobile's fault. 32:18.360 --> 32:19.560 Yeah, it is T-Mobile's fault. 32:19.760 --> 32:23.260 And the same thing with a lot of cases where people have gotten in trouble. 32:23.600 --> 32:25.500 It's always been the carrier's fault. 32:25.960 --> 32:26.220 You know? 32:26.300 --> 32:27.260 It's their lack of security. 32:27.260 --> 32:29.800 So they're going to, you know, bust someone else to get in trouble, you know? 32:30.100 --> 32:32.280 And we all know exactly who we're talking about. 32:32.360 --> 32:33.240 That's just how it goes. 32:34.120 --> 32:34.800 Yep, definitely. 32:34.960 --> 32:38.240 So, yeah, with the Paris Hilton thing, people were saying it was Bluetooth, you know? 32:38.360 --> 32:39.860 And tell me something. 32:40.500 --> 32:45.980 So why do all celebrities have T-Mobile if it's the most number one, it's the number one easiest thing to hack? 32:46.140 --> 32:47.980 Yeah, it's the most insecure thing to hack. 32:48.540 --> 32:49.260 I don't know. 32:49.260 --> 32:58.100 You know, I think Lance James came up with an idea that Secure Science is supposed to be coming out with a new product or something for celebrities. 32:58.480 --> 32:59.520 Yeah, we got it. 32:59.520 --> 33:05.560 Where they can assess products from vendors before, you know, before these celebrities actually accept the product. 33:05.880 --> 33:06.820 And that's the thing, too. 33:06.840 --> 33:10.580 I was saying that, yeah, it's kind of cool, but I also said it's messed up at the same time. 33:10.660 --> 33:13.460 These celebrities have to change their numbers, so you kind of want them to be secure. 33:13.560 --> 33:15.220 So this crap doesn't happen, you know? 33:15.240 --> 33:19.240 I mean, if that were to happen to one of us, that would suck, you know? 33:19.420 --> 33:23.560 Yeah, did you see that T-shirt that said, Paris made me change my number? 33:25.280 --> 33:27.460 There's a T-shirt out there that says that, I swear. 33:27.600 --> 33:29.620 Oh, yeah, I did see that. 33:29.920 --> 33:34.700 But I thought the only reason they have T-Mobile was because they get a chunk out of it or something for using T-Mobile. 33:34.900 --> 33:35.520 Yeah, I don't know. 33:35.680 --> 33:39.400 Paris does do T-Mobile commercials, which is actually even more funnier. 33:39.400 --> 33:48.520 Because, I mean, not only is it embarrassing Paris Hilton, which, I mean, she claimed that she was mortified, you know, a month before her BlackBerry got hacked into. 33:48.520 --> 33:55.040 And months before that, everyone knew that her voicemail was on default. 33:55.200 --> 33:57.280 I'm sorry, that was kind of public knowledge. 33:57.500 --> 33:57.700 Yeah. 34:00.020 --> 34:03.740 You know, and she's just getting owned here. 34:03.980 --> 34:04.280 Yeah. 34:04.320 --> 34:06.160 And it's all T-Mobile's fault, pretty much. 34:06.160 --> 34:16.280 I mean, besides, it's a combination of T-Mobile having these stupid default settings, and it's also a combination of her stupidity at the same time. 34:16.360 --> 34:16.500 Yep. 34:16.500 --> 34:20.860 But, for the most part, it is T-Mobile's fault that all this shit happened. 34:21.500 --> 34:21.960 It is. 34:22.680 --> 34:22.960 Yep. 34:23.580 --> 34:27.940 So, yeah, that's, well, that's actually past the show-and-tell section. 34:28.580 --> 34:29.420 But, yeah, social engineering. 34:30.220 --> 34:33.120 The book by Kevin Mitnick, The Art of Deception. 34:33.900 --> 34:34.900 Have you read the book? 34:35.060 --> 34:36.940 Yes, I have, and I would recommend reading that. 34:36.940 --> 34:41.660 Not just because we like Kevin Mitnick or anything, but, I mean, it actually is a good book, though. 34:41.780 --> 34:43.520 Yeah, it is actually a good book. 34:43.960 --> 34:47.160 Because that was one book I was going to think about checking out, because I like social engineering. 34:47.380 --> 34:48.280 I like to get into it more. 34:48.740 --> 34:54.400 You know, I've known quite a few, besides yourself, I've known quite a few good social engineers that have shocked the hell out of me sometimes, you know. 34:54.400 --> 34:57.540 So, and, yeah, social engineering is a really cool thing. 34:58.200 --> 34:58.740 Yes, it is. 34:59.100 --> 35:00.300 I'll probably get that book, too. 35:00.440 --> 35:03.840 So, buy his book today at your local bookstore. 35:04.280 --> 35:04.960 No, seriously. 35:05.180 --> 35:11.620 I mean, before I even met Kevin Mitnick or, you know, I knew about the whole free Kevin movement, but I wasn't really watching it too close. 35:11.760 --> 35:11.980 Yeah. 35:11.980 --> 35:16.660 And I went out and bought that book just because I personally like social engineering. 35:17.140 --> 35:17.860 You always have. 35:18.000 --> 35:20.380 It's my expertise, and I love it. 35:20.740 --> 35:23.860 So, I went out and bought the book because I figured, hey, what the hell? 35:23.860 --> 35:25.660 Maybe there's something in here that I don't know. 35:26.300 --> 35:27.160 And there was. 35:27.180 --> 35:30.240 There was a lot of good social engineering techniques in there that I didn't know. 35:31.380 --> 35:33.340 You know, and there were some that were left out, too. 35:33.460 --> 35:37.420 But, I mean, that's just a – everyone has their own preference when it comes to social engineering. 35:38.060 --> 35:39.500 Everyone has their own techniques. 35:39.860 --> 35:48.800 Like I said, daylight settings, you know, settings, your surroundings, social environments, you know, all this can come into play with social engineering. 35:49.000 --> 35:52.280 You can manipulate things based on your own surroundings. 35:52.520 --> 35:52.740 Yeah. 35:53.860 --> 35:55.480 But, yeah, that book was pretty good. 35:55.600 --> 35:57.340 It had a lot of good stories in it. 35:57.420 --> 35:59.920 Some of them had me rolling, you know. 36:01.120 --> 36:03.140 Didn't you have another book out besides that one? 36:03.140 --> 36:03.420 Yes. 36:03.720 --> 36:06.360 I think it just came out this month, actually. 36:06.860 --> 36:09.160 The Art of Intrusion. 36:09.400 --> 36:10.060 What's that one about? 36:10.860 --> 36:12.600 About actually hacking into things. 36:12.720 --> 36:13.280 Oh, okay. 36:14.040 --> 36:15.000 No one wants to know that. 36:15.000 --> 36:19.560 No, it's actually – that one actually looks like it's going to be a pretty good book, too. 36:19.640 --> 36:26.180 I read the first chapter about – the first chapter was about this software team that reverse engineered. 36:26.740 --> 36:29.840 They actually went out and bought one of those video poker machines. 36:29.840 --> 36:37.240 And they reverse engineered the code and they found that the random number generator in it had a vulnerability in it. 36:37.400 --> 36:39.380 It was a weak random number generator. 36:39.820 --> 36:42.760 And they could actually predict what cards were going to be played. 36:42.940 --> 36:43.180 Oh, wow. 36:43.180 --> 36:45.200 And they went out to Vegas and made a lot of money. 36:45.400 --> 36:45.720 Right. 36:45.720 --> 36:59.060 And there's actually someone selling a book now on how to go to Vegas and you can predict – you can look at the hand and predict what you need to know and actually make money from the video poker. 36:59.200 --> 36:59.560 Wow. 37:00.000 --> 37:01.500 That's almost as good as hacking the lottery. 37:03.380 --> 37:05.500 Except the odds are a little bit more in your favor. 37:07.400 --> 37:08.000 All right. 37:08.100 --> 37:10.220 Well, that's our social engineering section. 37:10.220 --> 37:15.880 And we're going to go – we're kind of going in a different direction because of that email that got us into that whole topic. 37:16.220 --> 37:17.840 I'm going to go to the show and tell section. 37:19.560 --> 37:20.120 All right. 37:20.180 --> 37:22.460 Last week I talked about my DV camera, how it's broken. 37:22.880 --> 37:23.900 Best Buy is a bunch of noobs. 37:24.020 --> 37:25.900 But a friend of mine let me borrow his DV cam. 37:26.020 --> 37:30.180 So soon I'll be uploading more Doug TV footage and working on it. 37:30.180 --> 37:31.740 You're going to look really laid back there. 37:32.120 --> 37:39.120 How are you going to – how are you going to record on your new DV cam when it's – when it has that message about condensation? 37:39.120 --> 37:39.800 I don't know, dude. 37:40.500 --> 37:41.840 First off, get close to the mic. 37:42.380 --> 37:43.180 Second off – 37:43.180 --> 37:45.060 I'm trying to get laid back here, man. 37:45.320 --> 37:45.920 Too close. 37:45.980 --> 37:46.420 Too close. 37:46.540 --> 37:46.820 All right. 37:46.860 --> 37:47.520 Sorry about that. 37:47.540 --> 37:47.920 There you go. 37:48.000 --> 37:48.200 All right. 37:48.240 --> 37:48.740 All right. 37:49.120 --> 37:52.600 So it's been raining really heavy out here. 37:52.700 --> 37:56.920 And I don't know how that camera got wet because it's giving me a moisture warning, blah, blah, blah, 37:57.020 --> 37:59.360 that every time I put a tape in it, it just ejects it right back out. 37:59.420 --> 38:01.080 It's not even my camera and I didn't break it. 38:01.120 --> 38:02.380 So I don't know what the hell is wrong with it. 38:02.900 --> 38:05.160 But it says, according to the Instruction booklet, you've got to wait an hour. 38:06.120 --> 38:07.620 Yeah, it's been a little more than an hour. 38:07.620 --> 38:12.340 I have been waiting for like three hours now and it's still saying the same air message. 38:12.440 --> 38:13.900 So hopefully it's not messed up completely. 38:14.140 --> 38:15.340 So I don't know what the hell is wrong with it. 38:15.600 --> 38:19.080 If anyone has any advice, send some email to Doug at DougTV.org because I'm screwed. 38:19.080 --> 38:25.940 I'll be going to Virginia this Saturday, family bullshit, and then I'll be coming back the second week of March. 38:26.020 --> 38:29.800 And then we'll be ready to film and film and film and also do our show. 38:29.880 --> 38:30.700 That's right, our radio show. 38:32.620 --> 38:33.660 Virginia's for noobs, dude. 38:33.820 --> 38:34.220 It is. 38:34.340 --> 38:35.260 I don't like Virginia. 38:35.440 --> 38:36.180 I really don't. 38:36.180 --> 38:43.500 But some personal friends of mine, dude, have been coming up to me at like Starbucks, the movie theaters, crap like that, being like, oh, so when are you doing your radio show? 38:43.560 --> 38:47.260 We're kind of like – we've been talking about it because I've been talking about it with friends, you know, what we're going to do and stuff. 38:47.300 --> 38:49.980 And they've been real – they want to hear bands and crap like that. 38:50.340 --> 38:52.480 And I'm just so shocked that people actually care. 38:53.000 --> 38:56.420 Like I've gotten email about it when I was on Benro with Stank talking about it, you know. 38:56.420 --> 38:59.940 And I'm just shocked that now I'm getting people coming up to me, you know. 39:01.160 --> 39:01.560 Yeah. 39:01.740 --> 39:02.140 Bless you. 39:02.440 --> 39:03.380 Talking about – 39:03.380 --> 39:04.540 Will you stop blessing me? 39:04.580 --> 39:06.100 I'm coughing, not sneezing. 39:06.120 --> 39:07.360 You sneezed last time. 39:07.520 --> 39:08.200 Oh, whatever. 39:08.740 --> 39:09.620 You're still sick? 39:10.200 --> 39:10.760 Yeah, man. 39:11.120 --> 39:12.260 It's raining, dude. 39:12.440 --> 39:14.060 So – rain doesn't make you sick. 39:14.200 --> 39:14.920 Oh, whatever. 39:15.040 --> 39:15.800 It gives you a shower. 39:19.100 --> 39:21.380 I'm just trying to kill time so we get up to 60 minutes. 39:21.500 --> 39:22.020 Oh, whatever. 39:23.100 --> 39:26.400 But, you know, seriously, man, I've been – I can't believe, like, these – 39:26.400 --> 39:29.580 these high school students and friends of mine have been coming up to me, like, 39:29.640 --> 39:31.560 hey, man, when you're doing your shows, it looks really cool. 39:31.620 --> 39:33.180 Like, this is, like, completely new to them, you know. 39:33.400 --> 39:35.120 They've heard a lot of internet radio shows before. 39:35.700 --> 39:38.500 Some of them have heard some of the shows that are on, like, radio I point them to. 39:38.620 --> 39:40.060 But a lot of them just aren't interested, you know. 39:40.080 --> 39:41.120 They get tired of a lot of it. 39:41.160 --> 39:44.980 Because most of it's just video game shows and hacking shows, you know. 39:44.980 --> 39:46.660 And this will be a good change of pace. 39:46.760 --> 39:50.440 And there's a lot of, you know, politics shows and enough of that crap, man. 39:50.500 --> 39:55.640 Yeah, I mean, like, Geek Love Radio is the only other one that's, like, just stands out. 39:55.640 --> 39:59.820 But I think that's why it gets so much good – did you just turn my levels up there or something? 39:59.820 --> 40:00.580 Yeah, you were real quiet. 40:00.660 --> 40:00.780 Go ahead. 40:01.080 --> 40:01.360 Anyways. 40:01.960 --> 40:06.460 Yeah, Geek Love Radio, I mean, I think the reason it gets so much good ratings is because it's, like – 40:06.460 --> 40:09.620 besides the fact that it's good, I'm not trying to, like, diss them or anything. 40:09.640 --> 40:10.260 Oh, yeah, dude. 40:10.260 --> 40:11.820 But they're the only show like that. 40:12.060 --> 40:18.380 Yeah, that's the one thing I told so was that you've got a show that no one else has done yet on the internet, you know. 40:18.380 --> 40:18.700 Yeah. 40:18.820 --> 40:19.900 Not even just insert the internet. 40:20.020 --> 40:22.420 No one else has done with geeks and love advice, you know. 40:22.480 --> 40:24.680 People have done, you know, Love Line, of course, Blah. 40:25.260 --> 40:31.280 But, you know, you're dealing with guys that are actually in their 20s that actually are experienced today, you know, 40:31.300 --> 40:32.880 not people that are used to be experienced. 40:33.460 --> 40:35.500 So it's got a good show. 40:35.560 --> 40:37.740 That's why he's getting MTV and crap, you know. 40:38.120 --> 40:39.200 Have you been to the website? 40:39.560 --> 40:40.120 No, I haven't. 40:40.120 --> 40:43.880 MTVU, I think, .com, the Underground MTV, I think it's what it is. 40:44.300 --> 40:48.600 They have – on their Valentine's Day, they had some – they linked to geekgloveradio.com. 40:48.700 --> 40:52.300 So they've been getting a lot of emails from Tech TV and probably MTV now. 40:52.480 --> 40:55.540 So he's got a show that's not like any other show. 40:55.640 --> 40:57.640 I mean, you've got these politics shows. 40:57.820 --> 40:58.400 Everyone's doing it. 40:58.440 --> 40:59.460 Everyone has their own opinions. 40:59.540 --> 41:00.680 No one really cares about them. 41:01.280 --> 41:03.460 You've got your hacking shows that are real fun. 41:03.460 --> 41:08.620 You know, you've got this show, of course, Infonomicon, which is really cool because it's just different ways of doing these shows. 41:09.280 --> 41:11.680 But Geek Love Radio, it's one of a kind. 41:11.740 --> 41:12.360 No one's doing it. 41:12.500 --> 41:12.700 Yeah. 41:12.900 --> 41:14.180 And if anyone did do it, they'd be copying. 41:14.380 --> 41:19.180 And the point I was trying to make is, I mean, I think that's pretty much what – that's what the Doug show is going to be. 41:19.280 --> 41:19.820 It's going to be – 41:19.820 --> 41:21.040 It's going to be a bullshit show, man. 41:21.140 --> 41:22.700 It's going to be its own show, dude. 41:22.720 --> 41:27.420 It'll – not to – I mean, not – we're going to have show notes in actual – you know, it's not going to be like, so we won't talk about – I don't know. 41:27.460 --> 41:28.780 It's not going to be like that at all, you know. 41:29.720 --> 41:33.020 It probably won't be as organized as this show because this show is hard to do. 41:33.360 --> 41:35.340 But, you know, we're going to have a good time. 41:35.440 --> 41:37.300 We're going to have random people calling in. 41:37.300 --> 41:39.300 And we're going to have a call online – 800-70-Doug. 41:39.600 --> 41:40.560 They're going to have a call online. 41:40.680 --> 41:42.340 You know, it's not going to be pre-screened or anything. 41:42.460 --> 41:43.620 Just total random, you know. 41:43.760 --> 41:45.460 And we're not going to hide anything back. 41:45.580 --> 41:53.800 There are certain – we're going to have a seven-second delay, actually, because there's going to be certain someone that might want to drop some information to someone that we don't need on the air, you know. 41:54.240 --> 41:56.540 Yeah, so we won't have a delay in the feed. 41:56.740 --> 42:03.180 Yeah, because it's a live show, and since we will have the call online and everything, we're going to have people that are more than welcome to come on into the garage if they want to chill back. 42:03.180 --> 42:15.340 You know, it's just going to be fun, and the one thing that a lot of people have gotten a lot of feedback and email about is the garage band thing, having these local bands in this area be able to play on the internet and get a bigger audience, you know, and just have their MP3s out there. 42:15.920 --> 42:18.460 Yeah, and we can definitely link them on our website. 42:18.560 --> 42:19.540 We can link them on our website. 42:19.540 --> 42:19.900 Yeah, exactly. 42:20.040 --> 42:24.140 We got – thanks to Athnex again, too, for the new system that he programmed from scratch. 42:24.520 --> 42:25.800 There's a car horn outside. 42:26.200 --> 42:26.680 Yeah, apparently. 42:28.080 --> 42:31.640 But, yeah, Athnex, he coded up this PHP news code from scratch. 42:31.820 --> 42:39.120 I designed with the layout and everything, but they'll have the garage band – we'll have probably, like, a garage band link, and they'll have, like, crap about – 42:39.120 --> 42:44.920 Yeah, you know what cracks me up about Athnex is he designed the Doug Show site, and – 42:44.920 --> 42:45.520 I designed the site. 42:45.580 --> 42:46.340 He designed the new system. 42:46.400 --> 42:46.820 Get that right. 42:47.660 --> 42:48.180 Oh, okay. 42:48.180 --> 42:49.140 I designed the layout. 42:50.000 --> 42:56.300 Sub-Zero did the logo, and Athnex did the new system, and I took the gallery code from one of those free PHP scripts. 42:56.360 --> 42:57.040 I forget who made it. 42:57.160 --> 43:00.600 Oh, okay, because I thought Athnex had actually designed the site. 43:00.760 --> 43:01.600 No, no, no, no, no, no, no. 43:01.600 --> 43:02.000 I designed the site. 43:02.000 --> 43:05.340 I was like, dude, your site looks way better than Athnex is. 43:05.400 --> 43:09.480 No offense there, but I was like, how is your site, like, better? 43:09.920 --> 43:13.160 It's like you do better on other people's sites where your site is just, like, black. 43:13.660 --> 43:14.660 Well, that's the one thing. 43:14.680 --> 43:17.640 I get tired of a lot of sites that are always, like, white on black, you know, 43:17.640 --> 43:22.460 because they always look the same, and I wanted to – I get tired of the black background. 43:22.580 --> 43:24.740 Plus, I don't want it to think, like, oh, it's the hacker-like kind of show. 43:24.780 --> 43:25.700 I don't want it to be like that at all. 43:25.760 --> 43:29.000 I mean, we're probably not going to do anything really hacking or tech-related. 43:29.080 --> 43:31.440 We'll probably do a lot of phone shit because that's who we are. 43:31.500 --> 43:32.120 We love phones. 43:32.420 --> 43:34.680 We'll probably do social engineering on that show too, you know? 43:35.000 --> 43:38.320 We'll probably just have a – we're just going to fuck around and have a good time is what it's going to be about. 43:38.320 --> 43:42.140 Yeah, it might not be the type of social engineering that people are expecting. 43:42.360 --> 43:42.540 Yeah. 43:42.880 --> 43:44.140 But, I mean, we're going to have – 43:44.140 --> 43:46.060 It might be, like, screwing around with some guy's girlfriend. 43:47.980 --> 43:49.900 Well, we're going to do crap like that, you know? 43:49.980 --> 43:54.700 And I want girls and this, you know, high school chicks in here, you know, and talk with them and, you know, 43:54.760 --> 44:00.760 anywhere from, you know, discussions with teenage life of people, even teen sex, you know, school in general. 44:00.760 --> 44:04.560 So, it's just going to be – there's going to be so much crap, you know, even prank calls. 44:04.620 --> 44:08.760 If there's, like, good prank calls that we've heard, we'll play it on the show, maybe do one live on the spot, 44:08.840 --> 44:11.940 see how good – call random people internationally, you know, once in a while. 44:12.560 --> 44:17.200 But, I mean, it's the kind of show I would love to do every day, but we're not getting paid, so I am not going to do it. 44:17.200 --> 44:18.380 There's no time for that, you know? 44:18.600 --> 44:18.800 Yeah. 44:18.940 --> 44:22.660 But once a week is good, and the reason why I picked Thursday is because it's Thursday, you know? 44:22.740 --> 44:24.020 It's – it's Thursday. 44:24.500 --> 44:25.440 I don't know what the hell that means. 44:25.500 --> 44:28.680 It's not Friday where everyone's going to be gone, but Thursday is like the day before – 44:28.680 --> 44:33.280 It's like the Friends night, dude, except Friends isn't here anymore, so you got the Doug show. 44:33.500 --> 44:36.740 But, yeah, we're probably going to go, like, 4 or 3 Pacific. 44:36.920 --> 44:38.520 We're not really sure what the exact time is. 44:38.540 --> 44:40.460 I forget, but Thursday. 44:40.580 --> 44:45.820 It's the day before the weekend party days start, so hopefully Thursday will be big. 44:46.580 --> 44:50.760 Plus all the other networks I've talked to with Rant Radio, they don't have a show on that slot, so that's why we have it. 44:51.440 --> 44:51.820 Right on. 44:52.040 --> 44:54.580 But there's so much more to talk about. 44:54.580 --> 44:58.520 You know, I talk to so much people about everyday bullshit, and why not just do it on the radio, you know? 44:58.980 --> 44:59.620 Yeah, definitely. 45:00.100 --> 45:04.300 You know, but there's also a lot of crap that you go through. 45:05.340 --> 45:05.780 I do? 45:06.040 --> 45:06.400 You do. 45:06.540 --> 45:07.480 I mean, you talk about it. 45:07.480 --> 45:09.580 You got some funny stories, and why not talk about it on the radio? 45:09.620 --> 45:14.760 We don't have default radio anymore, so why not do it on a show like this that we're going to – not this show here, 45:14.820 --> 45:18.720 but a show we're going to be doing and just talk about, you know, your pizza deliverer. 45:18.740 --> 45:20.060 I'm sure you have interesting stories. 45:21.060 --> 45:21.340 Yeah. 45:21.940 --> 45:23.460 You do pizza delivering, you know? 45:24.400 --> 45:26.800 So, by the way, when do you want to do a next default? 45:27.680 --> 45:28.400 We've got to do one. 45:28.960 --> 45:33.580 You know, people keep messaging me, and they're like, when's the next default? 45:34.160 --> 45:35.660 No, not Havoc. 45:35.780 --> 45:37.340 I haven't gotten – I am from Havoc in a while. 45:37.640 --> 45:39.020 Yeah, I wonder what that kid's up to. 45:39.340 --> 45:39.600 Yeah. 45:39.920 --> 45:41.560 I think he thinks we hate him. 45:41.660 --> 45:42.920 Dude, Havoc, we love you, dude. 45:43.020 --> 45:43.460 Yeah, hopefully. 45:43.600 --> 45:44.900 I don't – I think he listens to this show. 45:45.000 --> 45:48.720 I think he discovered us from – I think Dakota went on, like, some polling forms. 45:48.900 --> 45:51.100 I'm not really sure how he discovered this, though. 45:51.960 --> 45:53.040 But, no, Havoc's a cool dude. 45:53.100 --> 45:56.180 He always used to send in articles for us, and he gave the show going. 45:56.280 --> 45:58.340 Like, he was the reason why there was content most of the time. 45:58.600 --> 45:58.840 Yeah. 45:58.840 --> 46:04.640 He gave us news articles, and we discussed about it, you know, especially when it was just you and me for the longest time. 46:04.640 --> 46:06.240 You know, that was the hardest part. 46:06.240 --> 46:08.340 Yeah, and, well, I mean, that's the thing. 46:08.440 --> 46:12.840 It's like, I think you and me will probably do good on the Doug show, but default radio? 46:13.100 --> 46:15.360 It's the hardest show because you have to stick to one topic. 46:15.460 --> 46:17.560 The nice thing about our show is – 46:17.560 --> 46:20.040 Well, not one topic, but, like, one category. 46:20.360 --> 46:20.880 One category. 46:20.920 --> 46:21.920 Yeah, one category, rather. 46:22.020 --> 46:24.120 Yeah, one category. 46:24.300 --> 46:26.260 But with our show, it's a whole bunch of categories. 46:26.680 --> 46:27.980 That's the kind of show I've always wanted to do. 46:28.080 --> 46:28.640 It's variety. 46:29.040 --> 46:32.440 I just – yeah, I've always wanted a generic radio talk show program of just whatever. 46:32.440 --> 46:36.040 And there's going to be a lot of people that are going to give a shit, but I really don't care. 46:37.260 --> 46:38.080 It's my show. 46:38.600 --> 46:39.980 Yeah, it's the Doug show. 46:40.980 --> 46:44.960 I was thinking about Doug and Lucky, but, you know, if Lucky were to leave, it would be annoying. 46:46.400 --> 46:48.860 So – and Doug and Lucky just looks funny. 46:49.500 --> 46:51.960 And if people want to bitch about it, you know what? 46:51.980 --> 46:53.360 They can make their own goddamn show. 46:53.420 --> 46:57.180 And the best is Decoder calls me a narcissist because of Doug TV and the Doug show. 46:57.360 --> 46:58.200 But it's like, whatever, dude. 46:58.200 --> 46:58.900 It's my show. 46:59.000 --> 46:59.600 I don't care. 46:59.600 --> 47:02.880 You know, and it's better than coming up with some fancy name. 47:03.180 --> 47:09.860 Well, anyways, speaking of default radio, I mean, that's what I'm saying is the reason we haven't done a default is because – 47:09.860 --> 47:13.440 I mean, to be honest, Decoder is who kept the show going. 47:13.600 --> 47:13.840 Yeah. 47:14.160 --> 47:16.900 You know, Decoder and Havoc sending in content. 47:17.860 --> 47:19.900 Decoder is like the main host on that show. 47:20.060 --> 47:20.600 I mean – 47:20.600 --> 47:23.520 That was the one thing with the Mind War. 47:23.900 --> 47:29.360 When we stopped doing the Mind War was he was like, you should just continue doing it with Rigel or, you know, find another host. 47:29.360 --> 47:32.760 And I was like, dude, with default, you can kind of have another host. 47:32.920 --> 47:38.200 You know, you can have Lucky – because default is the kind of show where – Decoder did make it big. 47:38.280 --> 47:39.380 You know, it was all about Decoder. 47:39.480 --> 47:44.760 But, I mean, it did do pretty well afterwards, you know, with – we had some good episodes with people at Hope and stuff. 47:44.780 --> 47:45.560 We still continue it. 47:45.560 --> 47:47.520 But it wasn't the same without Decoder. 47:48.280 --> 47:52.200 And with the Mind War, I said – the Mind War especially, it's all about your opinions and your rants. 47:52.520 --> 47:58.280 You can't put some conservative republic on that show, you know, totally changing the format of it, you know, because it just wouldn't work. 47:58.940 --> 48:01.980 And it's the kind of show that you can come up with on the spot that have things to say. 48:02.040 --> 48:02.640 You can have news stories. 48:02.720 --> 48:04.580 With me and Rigel, it's just like we're reading the news. 48:05.040 --> 48:06.100 This is what's going on. 48:06.200 --> 48:08.620 You know, it's not – it wouldn't be the same without Decoder. 48:08.920 --> 48:09.120 Yeah. 48:09.200 --> 48:14.060 And Default Radio, we can do a couple episodes here and there, but we could not do a weekly show of Default Radio without them. 48:14.720 --> 48:15.380 Yeah, definitely. 48:15.380 --> 48:17.420 We tried to for the longest time. 48:17.520 --> 48:17.980 We did pretty well. 48:18.020 --> 48:18.540 I think – 48:18.540 --> 48:25.520 Until Decoder's justice is – until Decoder comes to justice and they release him finally, hopefully. 48:25.800 --> 48:26.040 Yeah. 48:26.660 --> 48:29.240 A lot of people don't know about that yet, but, yeah, he's in jail. 48:29.540 --> 48:30.460 Yeah, he's in jail. 48:30.740 --> 48:36.480 And when he gets out, yeah, you know, maybe there will be another Default Radio. 48:36.660 --> 48:37.220 Maybe not. 48:37.340 --> 48:38.520 Maybe he'll be too scared. 48:38.660 --> 48:38.980 I don't know. 48:39.080 --> 48:39.600 I don't know. 48:39.720 --> 48:40.560 We don't really know. 48:40.560 --> 48:43.020 But until then, we do our best for him. 48:43.020 --> 48:48.500 Man, you know, and Decoder's known I wanted to do my own show since June of last year, you know. 48:48.960 --> 48:50.540 And I told him I would still do Default. 48:50.620 --> 48:51.880 I would still record it and everything. 48:52.060 --> 48:52.760 You know, we'd still try. 48:52.920 --> 48:58.160 But around September, me especially, it was just kind of like, you know what, this is going to be the – 48:58.160 --> 49:00.880 we were thinking about doing the Default in our studio here. 49:00.980 --> 49:05.360 But I was just like, this isn't – this is a pain in the ass show to do because it's always about one category. 49:05.440 --> 49:06.720 And that's not my kind of show, you know. 49:07.080 --> 49:12.960 Like this show, I couldn't do this show on my own without having a co-host or having actual notes to talk about that, you know, 49:13.000 --> 49:13.660 emails and whatnot. 49:13.840 --> 49:15.580 So it's just – it's a hard thing to do. 49:15.660 --> 49:17.220 And that's why with my show, it's going to be about everything. 49:17.880 --> 49:18.040 Yeah. 49:19.080 --> 49:19.600 So – 49:19.600 --> 49:19.920 Definitely. 49:21.460 --> 49:24.260 One thing cool about the show, it's going to be videotaped. 49:26.680 --> 49:28.080 It'll be videotaped for Internet TV. 49:28.240 --> 49:29.360 Not to be confused with Doug TV. 49:29.600 --> 49:30.600 Completely different thing. 49:30.980 --> 49:32.220 It might be confusing. 49:32.740 --> 49:34.580 Doug TV is still going to be Doug TV the way it is. 49:34.580 --> 49:35.580 But we're also going to have the Doug show. 49:35.680 --> 49:41.800 Just – if we have certain guests or bands playing, it'll be, you know, taped as well and up for download so you can watch it too and listen to it. 49:41.800 --> 49:45.560 You won't be able to listen to the whole show, be it too, because that's just boring watching us on mics, you know, talking. 49:45.700 --> 49:49.420 But if we have an interesting guest, you know, we'll do the whole late-night style thing. 49:49.500 --> 49:53.640 Maybe I'll rearrange the couch and everything and get the pencils and index cards and everything. 49:53.640 --> 49:59.340 But when we have bands playing and guests, we'll have a camera set up for – there's going to be four cameras. 49:59.340 --> 50:00.560 There's a lot of different angles and everything. 50:00.940 --> 50:04.640 So, yeah, it'll be – Doug show is going to kick ass. 50:05.300 --> 50:05.860 Yes, it is. 50:06.180 --> 50:06.860 It'll last a month. 50:08.160 --> 50:08.980 I'll give it to you. 50:11.220 --> 50:17.580 Plus, the main most important thing with this new audience we're going for, I want to get the general public into a lead speak. 50:18.620 --> 50:22.420 Because even though we're not going to have the hacker audience, we're still going to talk the way we do. 50:23.860 --> 50:28.260 That way when I go in public and I say fear and oh, and they won't look like I'm, you know, insane or something. 50:28.260 --> 50:32.980 Yeah, you know, one thing I didn't mention when we were talking about the Paris Hilton hack. 50:33.140 --> 50:33.340 Okay. 50:33.500 --> 50:34.380 Just the – 50:34.380 --> 50:35.780 All right, we're rewinding back here. 50:36.020 --> 50:37.620 Yeah, we're reverting back a little bit. 50:38.920 --> 50:45.580 One thing I didn't mention was Paris Hilton had my K7 voicemail box in her notes. 50:45.760 --> 50:46.320 All right. 50:47.060 --> 50:49.120 This – all right, let me explain this part right here. 50:49.720 --> 50:53.460 I was going through her notes because, like everyone else, don't admit you didn't do it to people, 50:53.640 --> 50:57.080 but you were going through the notes and you were seeing all these numbers and stuff running down, 50:57.120 --> 50:57.960 seeing if there's anything interesting. 50:57.960 --> 51:01.460 Yeah, like Pauly Shore's number was in the notes, not in the address book. 51:01.580 --> 51:02.720 Yeah, it was in the notes. 51:02.800 --> 51:04.440 You found some interesting things in the notes. 51:04.500 --> 51:10.400 And I was just scrolling down, and this number I come across was a 206K7 voicemail box. 51:10.920 --> 51:12.360 And it said, luck in it. 51:12.360 --> 51:14.160 And I was like, that's Lucky's voicemail box. 51:14.160 --> 51:17.660 And I called him up right away, and I was like, dude, did you, like, hack the website 51:17.660 --> 51:19.920 to have her, like, your number in there like you're somebody? 51:20.540 --> 51:21.480 And you're like, what? 51:21.780 --> 51:24.840 But anyways, why was your – or no, explain – continue your story. 51:24.840 --> 51:31.520 Yeah, well, my voicemail number was actually in there because on October 23rd, that's 51:31.520 --> 51:32.360 when the note was. 51:33.240 --> 51:39.240 And this came a couple days – the phone number appeared a couple days before the Security 51:39.240 --> 51:46.360 Focus article, which came out on October 28th, the T-Mobile voicemail advisory that was 51:46.360 --> 51:51.720 on Security Focus, basically, that said, you know, caller ID spoofing lets you into T-Mobile 51:51.720 --> 51:52.880 messages. 51:53.320 --> 51:53.440 Yeah. 51:54.940 --> 51:59.860 But anyways, I had left her a voicemail, and I said, you know, you're using T-Mobile. 52:00.360 --> 52:01.000 It's insecure. 52:01.780 --> 52:04.000 People can get into your voicemail box. 52:04.420 --> 52:07.200 You know, I'm all, if you want to discuss this further, you can give me a call back. 52:07.640 --> 52:11.740 And I gave her my voicemail, 206-666-LUCK, L-U-C-K. 52:12.080 --> 52:13.580 And that's how I said it on the voicemail. 52:13.580 --> 52:17.340 And apparently she took note of it, and it was actually in her sidekick. 52:17.640 --> 52:18.520 But she never left you a message. 52:18.880 --> 52:19.420 No, no, no. 52:19.420 --> 52:23.980 She never actually called my K-7 voicemail back, but she did actually put it in her 52:23.980 --> 52:24.280 notes. 52:24.800 --> 52:32.640 And I got – I immediately started receiving a lot of voicemail when that Paris Hilton 52:32.640 --> 52:33.300 hat came out. 52:33.340 --> 52:33.600 Right. 52:33.740 --> 52:38.140 And, you know, and so I changed the greeting, and I'm like – I changed the greeting. 52:38.280 --> 52:40.540 I'm all, yo, you've reached Lucky's voicemail? 52:40.540 --> 52:45.340 Well, if you got this off – if you got this out of Paris Hilton's notes, I'm fearing. 52:46.940 --> 52:49.140 And I actually said I'm fearing on the greeting. 52:49.400 --> 52:49.600 Yeah. 52:49.940 --> 52:55.060 Because I thought only phone freaks would have noticed that number, but people from all over 52:55.060 --> 52:56.540 the country are calling my voicemail. 52:56.560 --> 53:00.060 Yeah, because everyone, like, not even just hackers, everyone's looking at this website. 53:00.160 --> 53:01.420 You know, they type Paris Hilton in Google. 53:01.500 --> 53:02.480 I'm sure it comes up somewhere. 53:03.020 --> 53:05.520 But, I mean, everyone's looking at it, and they're calling all these celebrities and numbers, 53:05.520 --> 53:09.160 and they probably think, oh, this Luck guy, this must be a celebrity or some kind of Hollywood 53:09.160 --> 53:10.960 backdoor access or something, you know? 53:11.120 --> 53:12.260 Yeah, it's just my voicemail. 53:12.340 --> 53:13.980 It's just a voicemail box, you know, so. 53:14.000 --> 53:14.860 Which is probably full. 53:14.920 --> 53:17.260 I probably got to delete all these messages when I get home now. 53:17.400 --> 53:17.660 Yeah. 53:17.940 --> 53:19.540 I think that that was just the funniest thing ever. 53:20.240 --> 53:21.200 Yeah, definitely. 53:21.800 --> 53:23.540 And then there's that guy on the floor. 53:24.320 --> 53:25.360 You know Paris Hilton? 53:25.500 --> 53:26.740 Hey, I have a question for you. 53:26.780 --> 53:28.160 I want you to ask her this for me. 53:28.620 --> 53:29.640 So I thought that was great. 53:30.180 --> 53:32.820 Yeah, a lot of people are thinking that I know her and stuff all of a sudden. 53:32.820 --> 53:33.500 I told you, man. 53:33.520 --> 53:35.180 You should have just been, you should have just replied saying, 53:35.300 --> 53:37.660 my personal relation with Paris Hilton is confidential. 53:39.860 --> 53:40.920 Oh, well, anyways. 53:40.920 --> 53:41.740 I just had people thinking that. 53:41.780 --> 53:42.840 That was the best thing ever. 53:43.460 --> 53:46.060 So, the show topics, social engineering, Paris Hilton fears. 53:46.560 --> 53:46.800 Yeah. 53:46.940 --> 53:48.720 Oh, we're in a show and tell right now. 53:48.960 --> 53:50.400 That was part of my show and tell. 53:50.620 --> 53:50.920 Okay. 53:51.180 --> 53:52.240 More show and tell, they're lucky. 53:52.280 --> 53:52.680 What's going on with you? 53:52.680 --> 53:53.360 More show and tell. 53:53.360 --> 53:59.360 Well, as you know, Doug, on the 19th, Saturday the 19th, 53:59.360 --> 54:03.680 I was pulled over on Riverside by a Chino police officer. 54:04.560 --> 54:04.680 Okay. 54:05.080 --> 54:07.080 Why is it on Riverside Drive? 54:07.260 --> 54:08.160 Yes, on Riverside Drive. 54:08.420 --> 54:08.940 On Drive, all right. 54:11.200 --> 54:15.400 I was allegedly violating the California Basic Speed Law, 54:15.640 --> 54:17.300 Vehicle Code 22350. 54:18.580 --> 54:20.180 Only Lucky can do that. 54:20.780 --> 54:23.040 Name someone else that knows every penal code in their head. 54:23.040 --> 54:25.580 Hey, this is a vehicle code, not a penal code. 54:25.800 --> 54:26.640 Vehicle code, whatever. 54:26.820 --> 54:27.700 You know all of them. 54:28.060 --> 54:28.840 Anyways, go ahead. 54:28.840 --> 54:31.600 Well, I'm always getting cited for them, so what do you expect? 54:32.000 --> 54:33.780 Yeah, you've got to memorize them by now, but anyways. 54:34.340 --> 54:43.080 Anyways, so this cop cites me for speeding, and I sign it the usual way, all rights reserved. 54:43.480 --> 54:48.180 The one thing I forgot to do, which I promised myself to do this the next time I get pulled over. 54:48.340 --> 54:48.540 Right. 54:48.540 --> 54:49.460 I forgot to do this. 54:49.460 --> 54:52.800 I'll remember it the next time I get pulled over, because I know there will be. 54:52.800 --> 54:59.940 When you get pulled over by a police officer in California, you have the right to request a change of venue. 55:00.660 --> 55:04.560 Basically, because on my license, it only has my P.O. box. 55:04.620 --> 55:05.860 It doesn't have my physical address. 55:05.860 --> 55:07.860 Which is cool, but anyway. 55:07.860 --> 55:12.860 Yeah, because the first thing a cop says when he pulls me over is, do you still live at... 55:12.860 --> 55:15.080 And then he goes, oh, I guess that's your mailing address. 55:16.140 --> 55:19.720 He goes, is that where you want us to mail the courtesy notice? 55:19.840 --> 55:20.280 I'm all, yeah. 55:20.800 --> 55:22.740 And so they never even asked for my physical address. 55:22.740 --> 55:25.360 P.O. box 1111, Niguasti, California, 1443. 55:25.820 --> 55:31.700 Well, anyway, so what I was supposed to ask the cop is for a change of venue. 55:32.200 --> 55:45.420 If you live or work closer to the county seat of the court, which the county seat, I think, for San Bernardino is in San Bernardino, or something like that. 55:45.460 --> 55:45.720 Yeah. 55:46.260 --> 55:51.880 You can request that your court case be held there instead of right here in Chino. 55:51.880 --> 55:55.620 And I forgot to tell that to the cop, which was my bad. 55:56.060 --> 56:01.900 But that's one thing you can do to try and get out of a ticket, because the cop isn't going to want to drive all the way out to San Bernardino. 56:02.340 --> 56:05.440 So the chances are more likely that he won't appear. 56:07.840 --> 56:13.980 Anyways, so this guy writes me up the ticket, he hands it to me, and I'm on my merry way. 56:14.500 --> 56:16.260 Well, I had to go to work. 56:16.580 --> 56:19.880 After work, I look at the ticket and I notice something on it. 56:19.880 --> 56:24.160 The date says February 20th, which is Sunday. 56:24.660 --> 56:24.920 Uh-huh. 56:25.860 --> 56:28.800 But he wrote it to me on the 19th. 56:29.380 --> 56:33.100 So I'm like, well, I can't plead guilty to a... 56:33.100 --> 56:35.060 I wasn't speeding on the... 56:35.060 --> 56:40.400 I was not speeding on the 20th, which is the date of violation he put on this ticket. 56:40.400 --> 56:44.820 So I can't plead guilty to this, because I wasn't speeding on the 20th. 56:44.820 --> 56:45.100 Right. 56:45.100 --> 56:48.760 So I actually called up a notary. 56:49.240 --> 56:52.380 I googled for a notary at 11 o'clock at night. 56:52.480 --> 56:56.240 I found as soon as possible notary in Chino Hills. 56:56.440 --> 56:56.680 Uh-huh. 56:56.800 --> 56:57.780 And this lady's great. 56:58.140 --> 57:04.000 She met me at Denny's and actually notarized a document that basically this document says 57:04.000 --> 57:10.660 the officer handed me the ticket on the 19th and is citing that I was speeding on the 20th. 57:10.660 --> 57:16.540 And the notarization is dated the 19th, so I can actually prove that I got the ticket 57:16.540 --> 57:17.400 the day before. 57:17.940 --> 57:24.140 So on my trial by declaration, I'm just going to say I plead not guilty. 57:24.920 --> 57:30.840 And my reason is the officer could have had no way of knowing if I was speeding or not 57:30.840 --> 57:33.760 on the 20th when he wrote me the ticket on the 19th. 57:33.760 --> 57:35.240 That's funny. 57:36.780 --> 57:39.940 Well, I mean, he's saying the crime occurred on the 20th. 57:39.940 --> 57:40.340 Yeah, that's true. 57:40.340 --> 57:41.720 It did not occur on the 20th. 57:41.780 --> 57:42.020 Yeah. 57:42.200 --> 57:43.780 If there was a crime at all, by the way. 57:43.900 --> 57:44.800 This is all alleged. 57:44.880 --> 57:46.620 Well, we don't know if you really did speed, but... 57:46.620 --> 57:47.680 Which I was not. 57:47.880 --> 57:48.180 Okay. 57:48.540 --> 57:48.860 Sure. 57:51.320 --> 57:54.280 And if I was, it wasn't a violation of the basic speed law. 57:55.180 --> 57:56.760 It was at least safe to do so. 57:57.040 --> 57:57.760 Oh, man. 57:57.760 --> 58:03.420 Anyways, besides that, I don't got much other show and tell. 58:03.520 --> 58:08.580 Oh, there was that delivery show and tell when you went on a delivery with me the other 58:08.580 --> 58:08.780 day. 58:08.960 --> 58:09.200 Oh, yeah. 58:09.220 --> 58:10.740 This goes back to social engineering, dude. 58:11.420 --> 58:11.740 Yeah. 58:11.900 --> 58:13.720 When I was riding with Lucky, I was bored. 58:13.780 --> 58:14.240 It was raining. 58:15.020 --> 58:15.220 Yeah. 58:15.360 --> 58:19.860 I wasn't fearing the rain, but it was raining, and I rode with Lucky for a delivery. 58:19.940 --> 58:21.380 A couple deliveries, actually, that time. 58:21.700 --> 58:21.940 Yeah. 58:22.340 --> 58:24.240 One of them was a gated community. 58:24.360 --> 58:25.640 Yeah, it was an apartment complex. 58:25.640 --> 58:30.960 And as you know, I know how to break into a lot of apartment complex gate entry systems. 58:31.320 --> 58:32.820 They're usually all on default. 58:33.360 --> 58:40.140 This particular one was an elite gate entry system, and the customer had not put the gate 58:40.140 --> 58:45.040 code in, so I didn't know what the code was to enter into the gate, and their phone number 58:45.040 --> 58:45.900 was disconnected. 58:46.700 --> 58:49.280 So I couldn't call them to ask for the gate code. 58:49.400 --> 58:49.600 Yep. 58:50.080 --> 58:51.400 So we needed a way. 58:51.500 --> 58:52.200 It was raining. 58:52.680 --> 58:53.900 There were no cars coming. 58:54.020 --> 58:54.780 It was late at night. 58:54.780 --> 58:55.460 It was raining. 58:56.140 --> 59:01.680 We needed a way to get into this community without waiting for another car, because this 59:01.680 --> 59:05.220 person wants their pizza now, not 30 minutes when another car comes by, right? 59:05.360 --> 59:05.720 Exactly. 59:05.920 --> 59:08.200 Yeah, we were waiting for a little bit, though. 59:08.260 --> 59:09.100 No one was coming through. 59:09.460 --> 59:10.240 Yeah, exactly. 59:10.540 --> 59:15.960 So what I do, I decided to start calling random people in the apartment complex. 59:16.180 --> 59:16.360 Yep. 59:16.360 --> 59:21.400 And, um, we got one person answered, and... 59:21.400 --> 59:22.320 Some poor old lady. 59:22.400 --> 59:23.420 Yeah, some poor old lady. 59:23.640 --> 59:27.900 And I told her, hi ma'am, this is John from Verizon. 59:27.900 --> 59:31.060 Uh, we're testing your phone lines out here in the rain. 59:31.720 --> 59:35.780 If you could just press the 9 key for me so that we can make sure that everything's working, 59:35.880 --> 59:36.480 that'd be great. 59:36.980 --> 59:38.400 She goes, oh yeah, certainly. 59:38.880 --> 59:43.200 And she presses the 9 key, and of course, as everyone knows, on most gate entry systems, 59:43.320 --> 59:44.740 that's to buzz you in. 59:45.260 --> 59:50.980 So, as soon as she hit 9, access granted, and the gate opens, and we go into the gated 59:50.980 --> 59:51.380 community. 59:51.400 --> 59:56.040 Dude, the best was, uh, the best part was, um, right when you said that, she was like, 59:56.140 --> 59:59.720 sure, I'd be happy to, you know, she was so happy to help somebody. 01:00:00.100 --> 01:00:01.720 Yeah, that's, that's another... 01:00:01.720 --> 01:00:04.320 Help an elite hacker to get into the apartment complex. 01:00:04.900 --> 01:00:06.560 That's like talking to a burglar, though. 01:00:06.680 --> 01:00:09.280 Sure, I'd be happy to let you in and rob the place, you know? 01:00:09.540 --> 01:00:09.760 Yeah. 01:00:09.840 --> 01:00:11.100 Yeah, I just can't believe people. 01:00:11.300 --> 01:00:13.760 They live in a gated community, and they're the easiest thing to break into. 01:00:13.760 --> 01:00:14.940 Yeah, definitely. 01:00:15.440 --> 01:00:16.380 I don't know, man. 01:00:16.460 --> 01:00:18.520 But, is that it for, uh, show and tell? 01:00:18.520 --> 01:00:20.440 I think, I think that's it for my show and tell. 01:00:20.600 --> 01:00:21.840 You're still delivering pizzas? 01:00:22.160 --> 01:00:23.220 I am delivering pizzas. 01:00:23.360 --> 01:00:24.720 Since last week, uh... 01:00:24.720 --> 01:00:28.660 Um, I may be getting a new job in the future, doing PBX programming. 01:00:28.840 --> 01:00:30.200 That's, uh, that's just a maybe. 01:00:30.480 --> 01:00:31.400 It's a, it's a maybe? 01:00:31.480 --> 01:00:33.040 It's, it's in the works right now. 01:00:33.120 --> 01:00:34.240 Is that anyone we know? 01:00:34.400 --> 01:00:36.120 Is, uh, is this locally here? 01:00:36.240 --> 01:00:38.020 Yeah, it's for a local business. 01:00:38.180 --> 01:00:42.540 I'm, uh, I'll leave the, I'll just leave it in the, I'll leave it a mystery right now. 01:00:42.540 --> 01:00:43.060 Mmm. 01:00:43.760 --> 01:00:45.880 But that's it, right? 01:00:46.240 --> 01:00:46.860 Yeah, that's it. 01:00:46.980 --> 01:00:47.440 All right, then. 01:00:47.460 --> 01:00:48.260 That's it for show and tell. 01:00:48.420 --> 01:00:49.800 That's, well, we actually hit an hour. 01:00:50.100 --> 01:00:51.200 Hey, hey, we actually made it. 01:00:51.260 --> 01:00:52.700 Well, we actually made 60 minutes. 01:00:52.820 --> 01:00:54.040 We actually, we actually made 60 minutes. 01:00:54.360 --> 01:00:54.620 Wow. 01:00:54.800 --> 01:00:57.560 Now I don't have to hear Stank Dog calling me up, bitching me. 01:00:57.980 --> 01:00:59.120 Why didn't Doug do the show? 01:00:59.200 --> 01:01:00.200 Why isn't it 60 minutes? 01:01:00.320 --> 01:01:00.640 Grrrr! 01:01:00.640 --> 01:01:01.080 Grrrr! 01:01:01.380 --> 01:01:01.980 I don't know. 01:01:02.040 --> 01:01:03.040 I'm not Doug's Keeper. 01:01:03.260 --> 01:01:03.740 But anyway. 01:01:04.120 --> 01:01:05.460 I'm not Doug's Keeper. 01:01:05.900 --> 01:01:08.060 That's why I have you as my co-host so they can yell at you. 01:01:08.780 --> 01:01:10.140 Uh, Shouts. 01:01:10.420 --> 01:01:11.160 Lucky, you want to go first? 01:01:12.060 --> 01:01:12.920 Uh, yeah, sure. 01:01:13.400 --> 01:01:14.080 You gotta give a shout. 01:01:14.120 --> 01:01:14.960 This isn't on the notes. 01:01:15.040 --> 01:01:16.100 You have to comb it in your head. 01:01:16.100 --> 01:01:18.180 Oh, it's not on the notes? 01:01:18.200 --> 01:01:20.080 You're looking at the notes like, shit, where's the shout? 01:01:20.580 --> 01:01:23.160 Hey, where the, you didn't write my shouts down, dude. 01:01:23.260 --> 01:01:24.540 All right, all right, go. 01:01:24.980 --> 01:01:25.200 Hello? 01:01:25.480 --> 01:01:25.960 Yeah, shouts. 01:01:26.240 --> 01:01:27.020 Are we on there? 01:01:27.100 --> 01:01:27.840 We're on there. 01:01:27.960 --> 01:01:29.460 We're being recorded, yeah, shouts. 01:01:29.600 --> 01:01:29.860 Okay. 01:01:30.340 --> 01:01:37.360 So, anyways, my shouts would be going out to Decoder and, uh, and Havoc, definitely. 01:01:37.820 --> 01:01:39.960 You know, these are people that we mentioned during the show. 01:01:40.060 --> 01:01:40.360 Right. 01:01:40.360 --> 01:01:45.860 Um, also, my shouts this week will go to Natus, uh, Lance James. 01:01:46.600 --> 01:01:47.440 And Kevin Minnick. 01:01:47.820 --> 01:01:48.740 Which is, uh, yeah. 01:01:49.160 --> 01:01:51.580 Yeah, I'm gonna give all my shouts to those people. 01:01:52.080 --> 01:01:52.440 What is that? 01:01:52.560 --> 01:01:54.700 And to whoever hacked Paris Hilton's sidekick. 01:01:54.800 --> 01:01:55.820 That's pretty damn cool. 01:01:55.960 --> 01:01:56.720 Yeah, that's pretty cool. 01:01:57.720 --> 01:01:59.920 Uh, my shouts go to Dual Parallel. 01:02:00.640 --> 01:02:01.060 Oh, yeah. 01:02:01.060 --> 01:02:02.260 Dual Parallel is the man. 01:02:02.360 --> 01:02:02.860 He is the man. 01:02:02.880 --> 01:02:03.420 He is the man. 01:02:03.700 --> 01:02:04.720 Nick84, too. 01:02:05.040 --> 01:02:05.380 Ah! 01:02:05.580 --> 01:02:05.860 Dude. 01:02:06.040 --> 01:02:07.260 You took my shout, man. 01:02:07.260 --> 01:02:08.700 You said you were finished. 01:02:09.740 --> 01:02:10.460 Nick84, man. 01:02:10.540 --> 01:02:13.560 That guy wrote all those show notes for Default Radio. 01:02:13.720 --> 01:02:16.080 Well, at least, episode five's not the first, like, three weeks. 01:02:16.100 --> 01:02:16.320 We did. 01:02:16.400 --> 01:02:17.040 He didn't, obviously. 01:02:17.180 --> 01:02:17.880 The decoder did those. 01:02:17.960 --> 01:02:18.840 But he got tired of them. 01:02:18.960 --> 01:02:20.900 But Nick84 volunteered to do it. 01:02:21.460 --> 01:02:23.520 And he always wrote shows, uh, show notes. 01:02:23.620 --> 01:02:24.560 He did it nicely. 01:02:24.660 --> 01:02:25.540 He had links and everything. 01:02:25.820 --> 01:02:29.200 And then when we did the mind war, I asked him, you know, if he wouldn't mind doing it. 01:02:29.200 --> 01:02:30.000 And he wasn't doing much. 01:02:30.260 --> 01:02:34.300 So, you know, he took, uh, I appreciate Nick84 for that. 01:02:34.360 --> 01:02:35.000 And I always have. 01:02:35.020 --> 01:02:35.780 And he actually wrote notes. 01:02:35.780 --> 01:02:36.540 He's a hard-working guy. 01:02:36.540 --> 01:02:39.420 He wrote notes for our last week's show that hasn't even been up for download yet. 01:02:40.120 --> 01:02:43.240 So, Nick84, he's a great man. 01:02:43.540 --> 01:02:45.380 Uh, maybe he'll write notes for the Doug show. 01:02:45.500 --> 01:02:45.760 Maybe. 01:02:46.160 --> 01:02:46.420 Ooh. 01:02:49.000 --> 01:02:51.600 But, uh, another shout, of course, to Decoder. 01:02:52.540 --> 01:02:53.800 Which, uh, you already said so. 01:02:53.860 --> 01:02:54.740 But, yeah, Decoder's the man. 01:02:55.260 --> 01:02:55.780 He's a man. 01:02:56.640 --> 01:03:00.280 And, again, shout-out to StankDog for letting me fill in for these two weeks. 01:03:01.040 --> 01:03:01.660 Good trust. 01:03:01.760 --> 01:03:02.500 You call that a shout? 01:03:03.020 --> 01:03:03.380 Well. 01:03:03.380 --> 01:03:03.960 Just kidding. 01:03:04.960 --> 01:03:06.180 StankDog's the man, all right? 01:03:06.180 --> 01:03:11.840 I can't believe he lets, of all people, he lets Doug fill in for his show. 01:03:12.360 --> 01:03:14.000 Now, obviously, that wasn't his first choice. 01:03:14.160 --> 01:03:17.040 We don't know how it left, you know, but he was busy to do it. 01:03:17.220 --> 01:03:20.640 But, uh, seriously, though, thanks, StateDog, you know, for letting me fill in. 01:03:20.740 --> 01:03:24.260 And, you know, not someone like Lucky, of course, but, uh, I'm just messing around. 01:03:24.540 --> 01:03:27.060 Jeez, I wonder how far down I was on the list. 01:03:27.520 --> 01:03:29.640 Uh, but, I mean, no, it's a trust. 01:03:29.760 --> 01:03:32.800 It's a hard show to do, especially with me since I'm a noob when it comes to hacking. 01:03:32.800 --> 01:03:37.980 But, you know, and thanks to you, Lucky, for being in these both, these two weeks since 01:03:37.980 --> 01:03:38.960 no one else wanted to do it with me. 01:03:39.340 --> 01:03:39.640 Yeah, no, I knew. 01:03:39.640 --> 01:03:40.800 No, that's not really true. 01:03:40.880 --> 01:03:44.580 Actually, I just, uh, wanted you on the first week, and this week it was just pushing the 01:03:44.580 --> 01:03:45.980 timing, you know, with the schedule. 01:03:46.300 --> 01:03:49.520 And we're actually, we're recording the show right before I have to stream the show. 01:03:49.980 --> 01:03:50.240 Yeah. 01:03:50.300 --> 01:03:50.760 So, it's... 01:03:50.760 --> 01:03:51.480 Which is gonna be hard. 01:03:51.820 --> 01:03:52.380 It's been tough time. 01:03:52.440 --> 01:03:53.340 Nah, we don't have to do any of anything. 01:03:53.440 --> 01:03:54.200 And hopefully... 01:03:54.200 --> 01:03:56.060 We didn't mess, we didn't clown around like we did last week. 01:03:56.120 --> 01:03:59.560 Hopefully, I can drive home and get the outro music to you. 01:04:00.140 --> 01:04:00.680 Oh, yeah, yeah. 01:04:00.680 --> 01:04:03.060 And that'll be a special surprise. 01:04:03.280 --> 01:04:04.080 Yeah, that'll be cool. 01:04:05.200 --> 01:04:08.000 Of course, yeah, Stained Dog will be here next week. 01:04:09.120 --> 01:04:10.420 So, uh, no more me. 01:04:10.880 --> 01:04:11.040 Yay. 01:04:11.900 --> 01:04:12.280 Yep. 01:04:12.640 --> 01:04:14.780 Email us at radio at binrev.com. 01:04:15.160 --> 01:04:15.700 And that's it. 01:04:15.880 --> 01:04:17.060 Stained Dog will be here next week. 01:04:17.160 --> 01:04:17.960 So, see you then. 01:04:18.160 --> 01:04:19.080 Same hack time. 01:04:19.520 --> 01:04:20.840 Same hack channel! 01:04:21.980 --> 01:04:22.800 What a noob. 01:04:22.800 --> 01:04:28.520 This is for the hackers and crackers. 01:04:28.980 --> 01:04:31.540 Because there ain't no encryption that can get past it. 01:04:32.140 --> 01:04:34.520 Live at them pewters, because it's going down. 01:04:34.800 --> 01:04:37.000 Ain't no keychips generated now. 01:04:38.680 --> 01:04:41.100 It's a new style that's going on. 01:04:41.320 --> 01:04:42.340 It's all a key catcher. 01:04:42.500 --> 01:04:43.600 And listen to this song. 01:04:44.380 --> 01:04:46.420 Once upon a time, not long ago, 01:04:46.740 --> 01:04:48.600 I crept up in the back door 01:04:48.600 --> 01:04:49.880 To learn a little more, 01:04:50.120 --> 01:04:50.960 I needed to know 01:04:50.960 --> 01:04:52.460 About the land, the sand, 01:04:52.600 --> 01:04:53.800 And how the packets flowed. 01:04:54.020 --> 01:04:55.820 Is it encrypted, or is it not? 01:04:56.220 --> 01:04:57.200 My guess was yes, 01:04:57.300 --> 01:04:58.540 But it was a long shot. 01:04:58.960 --> 01:05:00.780 After a second, I sat and stopped. 01:05:01.240 --> 01:05:02.820 The receptionist came in at six 01:05:02.820 --> 01:05:03.740 And couldn't resist 01:05:03.740 --> 01:05:05.060 Some early morning muffin 01:05:05.060 --> 01:05:06.560 Complimenting from this hacker. 01:05:08.560 --> 01:05:10.500 This is for the hackers and crackers. 01:05:10.500 --> 01:05:12.300 Cause there ain't no encryption 01:05:12.300 --> 01:05:13.560 That can get past it. 01:05:14.120 --> 01:05:15.140 Little did she know, 01:05:15.360 --> 01:05:17.120 I had plans to jack her 01:05:17.120 --> 01:05:18.400 And this whole entity. 01:05:18.920 --> 01:05:20.960 It was a deep urge that filled me 01:05:20.960 --> 01:05:23.380 To crack this network in pieces. 01:05:23.800 --> 01:05:26.540 To leave the knock-engineered with no pieces 01:05:26.540 --> 01:05:27.540 To this mystery 01:05:27.540 --> 01:05:31.020 That crushed all their hard work and misery. 01:05:31.340 --> 01:05:32.220 But listen B, 01:05:32.420 --> 01:05:33.540 I'm here to tell you 01:05:33.540 --> 01:05:35.380 How to stop a reoccurring match 01:05:35.380 --> 01:05:37.220 From ever happening again. 01:05:37.700 --> 01:05:39.960 Every one on my team is here to win. 01:05:39.960 --> 01:05:42.380 When you see us in the airwell chat room 01:05:42.380 --> 01:05:43.540 Leave us alone 01:05:43.540 --> 01:05:45.260 If we won't come and invade your home 01:05:45.260 --> 01:05:46.780 Let alone workplace 01:05:46.780 --> 01:05:48.560 I think I said enough and done 01:05:48.560 --> 01:05:50.180 This is for all of us 01:05:50.180 --> 01:05:52.400 Slacking IT staff members 01:05:52.400 --> 01:05:54.120 The war has just begun 01:06:09.960 --> 01:06:11.660 I think we will fall back before we go 01:06:11.660 --> 01:06:13.060 We hope to bounce back 01:06:13.060 --> 01:06:14.620 We hope to do our we will 01:06:14.680 --> 01:06:15.760 Get out of here 01:06:15.860 --> 01:06:16.800 We hope to be 01:06:16.800 --> 01:06:31.040 We hope to chapters 01:06:31.500 --> 01:06:32.280 We hope to have fun 01:06:32.280 --> 01:06:33.260 How to stop this 01:06:33.260 --> 01:06:33.820 Have fun 01:06:33.820 --> 01:06:34.480 Anımız 01:06:34.480 --> 01:06:35.860 We hope to stay