This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers
I see in binary, I speak source code
Step on my toes, I'll post a million jpegs of you in a fag pose
In your digital stance, getting firewalled ho
Cause I'm riding the net in my six-fold
I was a dick with my 56
Now with my cable, I'm able to get that stable
On the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo
On the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm a hero
In a flash, I'll sue you on burning dreamcats
You need some ISOs? Let me through my hard drive rifle
Our exchange you could never stifle
In a digital hug, you just caught the love bug
I bootlegged your CD, I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z
Your CG, it's all gonna be free
Whether we take it by force or we take it nicely
You feel that rattle in your bones when I tell you we just hacked out Jones
And NASDAQ, leave your plot on your back
Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack
This is dedicated to the hackers and the creepers
Serial code, source code, ISO, RAM, SIP, SIS
This is dedicated to the hackers and the crack
Ladies and gentlemen, you are listening to Binary Revolution Radio
Woot!
Episode 87 coming to you on March 15th, 2005
With you once again this week, I am StankDawg
And I am joined by one of our favorite co-hosts
I think you're probably the most frequent co-host of the show
Don't hold me to that, I don't know offhand
But Voodoo Hal is back on the show with us again this week
The new and improved
I didn't know it could get even better
Wow, I'm excited now
And we are going to have to buzz through a lot of email quickly
We have been out of town
And when I say we, I do mean both of us
We spent the past weekend in Hotlanta, Atlanta, Georgia
At the Interzone 4 conference
So we are going to talk about that in a little bit
But we're going to have to buzz through some emails
We got quite a few emails from listeners
Some good feedback from last week's show
From some people we met at Interzone
All kinds of good feedback
So we're going to jump into that
There's one little bit of housekeeping
Unless you had something
Okay, I have one thing
Just to let everybody know
There is some sort of bug
With the email validation in the forums
And it's not really the email validation
That's the problem
There's some server settings
That are a little bit confuzzled
And I'm working on it
Should have those ironed out in a couple days
I think
But it's one of those intermittent problems
Sometimes it works
Sometimes it doesn't
So it's tough to debug those
Unless you know your voodoo how
Then of course it can be done easily
So bear with me
While I iron that out
And with that then
Let's play some email theme music
Da da da
Finrev
Okay, whatever
Okay
Our first
I should leave that in
Instead of playing the
I'm going to
Screw it
I don't care
Alright
That was my rendition of our email theme song
With much apologies to the original artist there
First of all
I had several people email
Reminded me
I mentioned on the show recently
How much I missed
The artist that was on PBS
That always used to draw the happy little trees
And the happy clouds smiling down
And I had forgotten his name
And it was Bob Ross
And of course I knew as soon as I got the first email
Several people emailed me with that
And I thank you all for that
I miss Bob Ross
Bob Ross was awesome
I want some Bob Ross art to hang in my house
He was leet
So
You know who I'm talking about
You remember Bob Ross, right?
Yeah, he's got the fro, right?
The fro
Now that
Dude, that was pimped
That dude was styling with that fro
He could wear a fro
Like, I mean
He could wear a fro
That dude was leet
Anyway
Let's get into some specific emails here
In no particular order
First email this week
Comes from PhoneTap
Who says
Dear StankDawg and Guest
That would be you
It's not Guest though
We're co-hosts
I don't have Guest
People always say Guest
Okay, anyway
First off
I would like to thank you
For what you guys do each week
And also very nice work
On your articles in 2600
I and many others
Have gained much knowledge from you
So thank you
My question is this
I enjoy war driving
But my laptop is getting worn out
And old
And I am thinking about
Getting something new soon
I thought you guys
Could give me some suggestions
On if I should get a laptop
Or a PDA
And possibly some
Some ideas on what kind
Since I hear your guests
Sometimes talking about PDAs
And I know that you war drive
I don't have a crap load of money
To drop on this
So if you would please
Help me out
With a few ideas
It would be greatly appreciated
Actually it's very appropriate
That we have you on the show
Because I know you
Have been
Pretty much
Going through a rotation
Of PDAs lately
Swapping some around
And stuff
Phone PDAs
Regular PDAs
What do you
What do you got right now?
It's been said
Quite a few times
That I swap machines
More than I swap
Or change underwear
So
What do I have right now?
I have a Dell AXM X30
It's a 624 megahertz
Strong on
No Xco
Processor
I think it's
64 megs of onboard memory
Bluetooth
802.11b
So as far as PDAs go
It's a nice PDA
Recently I've also had
A Trey 600
If you want an integrated device
And you do want to use it
As a phone as well
The 600 is nice
The AXMs have a bit more
Functionality for me
At least
You know the whole
Bluetooth thing
Is kind of fun
As we try it on the train
But I guess to his question
About laptop or PDA
I would say go with a laptop
You're going to have
A lot more functionality
You're also going to have
The ability to use
A lot more different equipment
You know you're going to
Be kind of confined to
Especially if you get a PDA
You're going to be confined
To SD cards
Compact flash cards
With a laptop
You can pretty much
Get them near any device
In a PCMCA card
You also are going to get
External connectors
For antennas on those cards
I know some cards
Some PDAs do have
Full Type 2 PCMCA slots
But you're also going to be
Stuck to which operating systems
Will run on that
So I'd say go with a laptop
If it's going to be
Your one and only device
For war driving
Yeah and that's really
Of course going to be
Your call
The PDAs are very cool
I want one myself
And I was faced with
This kind of same decision
And I decided to go
With the laptop
And if I can give you
You know a specific
Recommendation
I got a Dell refurbished laptop
I went to outlet.dell.com
I think it is
And got a refurbished one
Now you've got to be
Careful with them
They're hit and miss
Sometimes
But with Dell
I've had good luck
Other companies I haven't
But with Dell
I have
And Dell will warranty it
I think it's 90 days
By default
But you can upgrade
That warranty to
One, two, three years
So you can upgrade it
I think to a year for
Of course it depends
On what specials
And stuff they're running
But I think only for
Like $15 to $20 range
You can upgrade it
To a one year warranty
I'll also suggest
One of my favorite sites
To buy used hardware
From as far as laptops go
It's a company
Called RetroBox.com
This company basically
Buys in bulk
Hardware that companies
Are decommissioning
If they're going to be
Up like
If a company is going
To be buying
All new laptops
For their employees
You can find
Some pretty killer deals
A friend of mine
Found in
A Sun Enterprise
The 450 quad prog
Bought for like $300
Wow
So I mean
You can find
Some really good prices there
A quad?
Mm-hmm
Wow
Man
How come you never
Told me about that site?
I have
You're holding out on me
But I've personally
Ordered probably
Five or six things
From them
I've got family members
Who've ordered
Quite a few things
So I mean
They're completely legit
And I mean
It's great
They actually had
Some Dell Axum
I think they were
X30is
The older versions
They're like
The 400 megahertz version
For like $150
And they had
802.11b
And Bluetooth as well
So
Very nice
Alright so
There you go with that
You can also
Hit eBay
But that's hit and miss
You don't know
Who to trust
And that whole thing
You know
Never know exactly
Where to go with that
But it sounds like
You have some options there
And also
You factor in
Is that the only thing
You're going to be doing
With it
If you're going to be doing
You know
If you actually plan on
Doing some other things
With a laptop
You might want to go
With a Dell
Something newer
I think mine
I don't know
The exact specs
Off hand now
But it's something
Like a P4 2.4
512 RAM
DVD-ROM drive
Yada yada yada
And I upgraded
The warranty to a year
And I think it was
Somewhere around
700 shipped
And everything
So
Something in that range
Six to seven hundred dollars
If
And that's because
I need
I wanted a backup
I needed something
To replace my original laptop
So
If you want something
That's going to be able
To be more versatile
Go with that
If you want something
Compact
That you can stick
In your pocket
And carry with you
Go with the PDA
And then if you just
Want the cheapest laptop
That you can get
War driving
And nothing else
Then
What about
Maybe even
Homeless hardware
You might get lucky
And find something
On homeless hardware
There you go
See I slipped that in there
Thanks for the time there
Okay
So that's
Yeah
And if anybody else
Has any other good sites
Like that
For
Techbargains.com
That's usually where I go
To find
Coupon codes
And stuff for Dell
That's pretty much
The only site
I ever bother to go to
To find different
Sales and coupon codes
And sometimes
They are annoying
But
If you know
What you're looking for
A laptop
And you know
You want to look for Dell
Just go search for it
And they'll give you
Like the most recent deals
That are going on
Okay
So our next email
Comes from
Dropkick
Excuse me
My speech impediment
Apparently
Dropkick says
Stank
Why would anybody
Why
Anyone would email
A guy named
StankDawg
For help in choosing
A handle
Is beyond me
And he's got
Some little pseudocode
Here taking a jab
At my name
That being said
Thanks for doing
The show magazine
And all the other
Great stuff you put
Out there for the
Community
Dropkick
Yeah
I don't know
Why anybody
Would ask me
For advice
On a handle
Either
I think that's
A pretty good
Point
The good thing
About having
Such a
Bizarre
Disgusting
Weird
Handle
Is that
Nobody wants
To steal it
Nobody wants
To be
StankDawg
Hell
Some days
I don't want
To be
StankDawg
But that's
A whole
Different story
So yeah
I thought that
Was pretty funny
He has
And it's
Pretty valid
Of course
The WWF
Called
They want
Their nickname
Back
Their dropkick
So
Hey
Give and take
You know
It's all good
Next email
Comes from
Bitbiter
Bitbiter says
What's up
Snank and co-host
I just have to say
Your show
Is the bomb
I like hearing
Doug and Lucky
On episode
83 and 84
I sure do miss them
From the default
Days
And of course
He's referring to
Default Radio
For those of you
Who don't know it
The site is still up
Default Radio dot com
You can still download
The old episodes
I would know
Because I'm hosting it
And yeah
Everybody misses
Default
Default was a
Fun show
But
For obvious reasons
It had to go away
Temporarily
I don't know
If it's permanently
Or not
But well
Anyway
I'm sorry
Back to the email
There I got pulled off
I have just one question
And it's one of
Those
Whose music
Is it
What is the
Outro song
On episode
83
By the way
Anyone wanting
A one gigabyte
Mail account
Should try
Walla dot com
That's
W-A-L-L-A
Dot com
They offer
The one gigabyte
Storage
Without the
Invite crap
It's a real clean
Site with the
Only ad being
One banner
Across the top
Also it's not
Beta
Keep up the
Good work
Later
Okay
Yeah
Default radio
I mentioned
And
Again
I want to
Thank Doug
He did such
A great job
Taking over
For me
For a couple
Of weeks
Hosting the show
Him and Lucky
Two weeks in a row
Was really good stuff
And it was very
Reminiscent of default
Because they
Talked about a lot
Of phone stuff
On those episodes
As well as
A lot of technical
Stuff
A lot of privacy
Stuff
Those were very
Good episodes
And
Hopefully
Default will
Stick around
In some
Shape or form
Maybe only
Once every few
Months a show
Maybe it'll
Start back up
Regularly
Just all
Depends on
How real life
Works out
And
We might
Address
The real life
Situations
With some of
The former
Hosts of that
Show
When the
Time is right
And the
Regular listeners
Know what I'm
Talking about
But unfortunately
The time is not
Right now
So
As far as
The song
That Doug
Used
I don't know
Honestly
A couple
People have
Asked that
Doug did
The show
For those
Two weeks
He did
Those two
Episodes
While I
Took care of
Some real life
Stuff
And then
Doug had
To go out
Of town
And do
Some real
Life
Stuff
So
I haven't
Really been
Able to
Talk to
Him too
Much
And then
I was in
Atlanta
Of course
This weekend
And
Haven't
Really
Had time
To get
In touch
With him
But as
Soon as
I do
I will
Update
The website
Radio.
BinRev.com
And I
Always put
On there
The host
Or excuse
The name
Of the artist
And the
Site where
You can
Get it
From
So as
Soon as
I get
That from
Doug
I will
Go back
And update
Episode 83
To point
To the
Correct
Place
Okay
The next
Email
This week
Comes from
I'm going
I guess
This has
Got to be
Toilet
Johnny's
Jenny's
Something like
That
It's got to
Be Toilet
Johnny's
I don't
Know what
That symbol
Is
Who says
Hey
It means
It can be
Anything
Hey
StankDawg
I'm sort
Of a new
Listener
Like
Like the
Show and
All
But I'm
Wondering why
Hack TV
Is in
WMV
Which is
Windows Media
Format
Windows Media
Video
Is that
Actually what
It stands
For
I don't
Know
Anyway
Windows
Format
Which is
The crappiest
Video encoding
Ever
Agreed
Well no
I'm sorry
Actually I
Disagree
With that
Real
Media
Is the
Crappiest
Video encoding
Ever
No trust
Trust me
I'll run
Some shit
Through
AA Live
And it'll
Be all
ASCII style
That's the
Crappiest
Encoding
Ever
Alright well
Yeah I guess
There's lots
Of
There's lots
Of crappy
Encoding
Out there
WMV is
Just one
Of them
Okay where
Was I
I'd only
Watched
Something in
WMV if
It was a
Picture I'd
Like to
Look at
For a
Half hour
And hearing
Only the
Audio
Watching
Movies
And trying
To understand
Them in
WMV
Leaves me
As confused
As Paris
Hilton
Trying to
Comprehend
A textbook
The only
Time I
Might want
This effect
Is if
I'm
Watching
Prawn
Well come
On now
Prawn
You'll put
Up with
Whatever the
Format is
I mean
Let's be
Honest
I'm not
Sure if
It's the
Same with
PCs but
That's what
It's like
For us
Mac users
Take care
Buddy
Again that
Was toilet
Johnnies
I've gotten
A couple
People
Give me
Emails
On this
As well
Now
Just
To clarify
The
Official
For lack
Of a better
Word
The actual
Hack TV
Releases
The episodes
Of Hack TV
That are part
Of the
Continuity
For whatever
Come in
WMV
And AVI
We put the
WMV out there
For the
Dial up users
Basically
Makes it
Smaller size
And more
Universal
Because
Frankly
Most people
That are on
Dial up
Are probably
Using Windows
Anyway
So we
Just try
To make
It easier
For them
But we
Also offer
The AVI
Which
The first
One is
DivX encoded
I'm looking
At going
To XVID
On the
Next one
We shall
See on
That
So we
Do release
It in
Both formats
However
We released
Pwned
In WMV
Format
Because
That's what
Droop
Sent me
Droop
That was
Droop's
Camera
That we
Filmed that
With
And I
Asked him
To send
Me the
Raw
DV footage
But he
Sent me
The WMV
File
So that's
What you
Got
So I
Took his
WMV
Edited them
Together
Put it
Into the
Episode
And
Just
Re-encode
Not re-encoded
It
But
Well yeah
I guess
Re-encoded
It into
WMV
I guess
Technically
I could
Have
Re-encoded
It
Into
AVI
But
It
Wouldn't
Have
Done
Anything
I
Wouldn't
Have
Gained
Anything
Out
Of
It
Other
Than
A
Different
Encoder
Which
Yeah
I guess
Probably
Would have
Made you
Happy
But
I
Figured
What the
Heck
We'll
Just
Release
It
In
WMV
Because
It's
Not
An
Official
It
Was
More
Like
A
Fun
Thing
Just
A
Little
Prank
Which
And
It
Was
Surprisingly
More
Come on
I know
You got
Something
To say
About
That
I'm
Staying
Quiet
I've
Said
It
Before
You're
Not
Going
To
Let
Let me
Take
A
Jab
At
A
Mac
User
All
I'm
Going
To
Say
Look
At
Your
Dnet
C
Stats
Yeah
We
Had
This
Conversation
At
Interzone
We
Can
Break
And
Talk
About
That
For
A
Second
We
Actually
Had
Some
Talking
About
The
Mac
I
Mean
I
Tease
The
Thin
Little
Power
Books
Oh
Those
Wide
Screens
Those
Are
Nice
Man
That
Is
A
Toasty
Little
Machine
I
Just
Wish
I
Could
Afford
One
So
That's
The
Jealousy
I'm
Just
Play
Hating
On
The
Mac
Users
That's
All
And
Not
Only
That
But
Those
G5
Man
We
Actually
Sat
You
And
Acidus
And
I
Sat
And
Had
A
Good
Conversation
Or
I
Sat
There
And
Listen
To
Really
Cool
Machines
So
Yeah
Joking
Aside
The
Macs
Are
Pretty
Elite
Except
Those
I
Mini
Macs
Or
Whatever
The
Hell
Those
Are
All
About
Oh
Those
Are
Cool
Too
For
The
Price
They're
Not
They
Should
Have
Been
For
That
Price
You
Should
Have
Gotten
A
Little
Bit
More
If
I
Would
Have
Gotten
A
Little
Bit
More
Out
Of
It
For
That
Price
I
Would
Have
Probably
Gone
For
But
As
It
Turns
Out
I
Would
Get
An
I
Mac
Or
An
E
Mac
Or
Whatever
They
Call
Them
Now
J
Mac
F
Mac
I
Don't
Know
Okay
Let's
See
Where
Was
I
Okay
Next
Email
Comes
From
Yikes
Okay
I'm
Gonna
Go
With
This
Is
Dr.
Laser
Demon
Right
Is
That
Right
I'm
Gonna
Say
Dr.
Lizard
Man
Oh
Damn
Lizard
Man
I
Can
I
Buy
A
vowel
Can
A
Well
That
Wouldn't
Really
Help
Me
Yeah
Dr.
Vowels
Don't
Exist
In
My
Language
Lizard
Man
Laser
Demon
Wow
That
Could
Be
Okay
Now
He
Better
Email
Me
Back
And
Confirm
One
Way
Or
The
Other
Because
Honestly
That
Could
Be
Either
Way
Right
Am
I
Right
Yeah
I
Should
Explain
Laser
Demon
Maybe
I
Should
Explain
To
The
Listeners
That
This
Handle
Is
Capital
D
Lower
Case
R
So
That
Doctor
Part
Is
Pretty
Clear
I
Guess
L
Z
R
D
M
N
Laser
Demon
Lizard
Man
It
Could
Be
Either
One
I
You
Know
What
I
Think
It's
Lizard
I'm
Going
With
Lizard
I'm
Changing
My
Answer
I'm
Saying
Lizard
Man
I'm
Going
With
Lizard
It's
Got
To
Be
Lizard
Man
Laser
Demon
Wow
This
Is
The
Hardest
One
This
Is
The
Hardest
One
Ever
He
Could
You
Know
And
This
Person
I
Assume
It's
A
He
This
Person
Could
Be
A
Jerk
And
No
Matter
Which
One
I
Guess
Intentionally
Say
It
Was
The
Other
One
And
Be
Just
His
This
Is
Entrapment
And
I
Refuse
To
Play
Along
I
Am
Hereby
Calling
Him
Dr.
L
Dr.
L
Says
That's
The
Funniest
That's
The
That's
The
Coolest
Name
I've
Seen
In
A
While
Yeah
Ironic
And
Hypocritical
They
Won't
Let
Me
Use
That
Keyword
But
They
Will
Let
Somebody
Else
Use
It
They
Let
Ebay
Use
It
Ebay
Has
Got
Some
Script
That
Whatever
You
Search
For
It
Plugs
It
Into
Their
Ad
I've
Not
That
Because
I
Did
A
Search
For
Like
Oh
What
Was
It
Not
A
Phone
Number
But
Like
A
Zip
Code
Or
Something
I
Was
Looking
Up
The
Other
Day
And
The
Ebay
Ad
Words
Thing
On
The
Side
Says
Order
Your
61423
On
Ebay
I
Mean
It
It's
Obviously
A
Dumb
Script
That
Just
Plugs
Whatever
Your
Search
Is
In
So
They
Can
Use
Them
But
I
Can't
That's
Real
Fair
Although
I
Probably
Shouldn't
Probably
Shouldn't
Mention
This
Because
I'll
Get
Shut
Down
But
I
Was
Able
To
Get
My
Account
Going
Again
Using
Subversive
Methods
So
Hopefully
If
Anybody
Google
Is
Listening
Don't
Shut
Me
Down
Again
I
Tricked
It
I
Got
Out
Of
Your
Loop
I
Got
Into
Your
System
And
Got
It
Running
Again
So
You
Should
Give
Me
A little
Credit
For
That
Let
Me
Go
Anyway
I'm
Sure
Once
I
Release
That
Article
They
Won't
Be
Letting
It
Go
Anymore
Okay
Where
Was
I
Okay
Next
Email
Comes
From
Oob
Okay
That's
Out
Of
Bounds
I
Remember
Out
Of
Bounds
Out
Of
Bounds
Who
Says
What
Up
Your
Stankiness
And
Voodoo
How
It's
Got
The
Host
Tag
I'm
Allowed
To
I'm
Allowed
To
Parse
On
The
Fly
And
Replace
That
Can
I
Not
Do
That
Thank
You
I'm
Parsing
That
I
Just
Did
A
Little
Reg
X
That's
All
The
Other
Day
I
Downloaded
Microsoft's
New
Anti
Spyware
Beta
I
Installed
It
And
Ran
It
And
Left
It
For
A
While
When
I
Came
Back
It
Proudly
Remarked
Spyware
Removed
But
To
My
Absolute
Horror
It
Had
Deleted
300
Of
My
Illegal
Kazaa
MP3s
Is
This
A
Conspiracy
Or
Microsoft
Deleted
My
Pirated
Wares
Is
The
Big
M
After
Illegal
Music
Or
Is
This
Just
Fluke
Can
I
Get
A
Period
Or
Something
In
Here
Somewhere
Good
Lord
I
Don't
Think
He's
A
Native
English
Speaker
So
I
Give
I'll
Give
Him
A
Break
Well
Whatever
It
Is
It's
Big
The
Big
M
Has
Done
It
Again
You
Know
What
Seriously
That's
Scary
If
They're
Checking
Your
MP3s
And
Deleting
Them
Are
There
Is
There
I
Thought
I
Actually
Read
And
Heard
That
There
Was
An
MP3
I
Don't
Think
It
Was
Win
Amp
That
Was
Vulnerable
To
It
You
Know
What
I'm
Talking
About
Not
A
Clue
I'm
Not
A
Windows
User
I
Don't
Know
That
It
Was
A
Windows
Thing
I
Think
It
Was
A
Few
Little
Bits
That
You
Could
Put
On
There
Like
To
Launch
A
Browser
Site
Like
Maybe
Some
Of
The
Listeners
Of
Course
I
Wouldn't
Know
This
First
Hand
Because
I
Don't
Watch
Porn
But
I've
Heard
Tell
That
Like
Sometimes
You'll
Download
A
WMV
Porn
Or
Something
And
It
Launches
The
Web
Browser
To
The
Site
Advertising
The
Site
Because
You
Can
Embed
That
In
There
And
The
Embedded
Tag
Or
The
Embedded
Bits
In
There
When
Windows
Media
Player
Reads
Them
It
Actually
Knows
To
Execute
It
Kind
Of
Like
Embedding
A
Link
If
You
Want
To
Think
Of
It
Like
That
I
Thought
It
Was
Related
Or
Similar
To
That
But
I
Don't
Remember
Offhand
But
Just
Deleting
MP3
Files
How
Did
It
Know
That
They
Were
I
Mean
There
Is
A
Lot
Of
Questions
To
This
That
You
Didn't
Give
Me
A
Whole
To
Go
With
Here
If
Anybody
Else
Has
Had
It
Somebody
Email
Me
And
Confirm
If
I
Get
A
Couple
People
Telling
Me
This
Happened
To
All
Of
Them
Let's
See
How
Widespread
This
Is
And
Maybe
We
Can
Figure
Out
What's
Going
On
Because
That
Is
Not
Cool
Deleting
Stuff
Like
An
MP3
I
Don't
See
Any
Reason
For
That
So
Um
Let's
See
Next
Email
Comes
From
This
Is
A
Pretty
Long
One
So
Um
Actually
This
Person
I'm
Going
To
Withhold
The
Name
Only
I
Think
He
Doesn't
Mind
If
I
Use
It
Came
From
A
Webmaster
And
A
Site
I'm
Going
To
Just
Withhold
It
Just
In
Case
Um
And
This
Person
Says
Just
To
Clear
Something
Help
Just
To
Clear
Something
Up
Paris
Hilton
Cell
Phone
Wasn't
Hacked
By
FX
Nicholas
Jacobson
Was
The
Hacker
And
You
Can
Read
The
Story
On
Security
Focus
And
He
Tiny
URL
For
That
For
Us
At
7
Y
J
4
Uh
The
Guy
Hacked
A
T
Mobile
Database
Not
A
Specific
Cell
Phone
Now
We
Kind
Of
Knew
That
That's
Known
Using
His
Access
He
Was
Able
To
Get
Info
On
A
Bunch
Of
People
This
Was
Discussed
On
Cal
PLA
Forums
A
Tiny
URL
That
That's
4
M
B
V
A
And
Someone
Posted
Her
AIM
Buddy
List
Well
They
Were
Floating
All
Over
The
Place
You
Know
They
Were
In
Our
Forums
They
Were
In
A
Bunch
Of
Forms
That's
The
PLA
The
Phone
Losers
Forums
I'm
Sure
They
Were
On
It
So
Let's
See
And
Someone
Posted
Her
AIM
Buddy
List
The
Anonymous
Dude
Is
Full
Of
Crap
And
Is
Just
Trying
To
Make
A
Name
For
Someone
I
Agree
It's
Freaking
Funny
As
Hell
That
She
Got
Owned
But
Someone
Taking
Full
Credit
For
Something
He
Had
Nothing
To
Do
With
Is
Moronic
The
Owning
Of
Paris
Hilton
Would
Have
Been
Much
Sweeter
If
People
Wouldn't
Have
Slapped
It
Every
Damn
Place
Because
All
The
Numbers
Were
Changed
And
Now
It's
All
Over
It
Should
Have
Been
Something
Kept
Collateral
Damage
Of
All
Her
Friends
And
The
Stuff
That
Went
Along
With
That
Now
On
To
Google
Ad
Words
You
Said
That
Ad
Words
Were
Shown
On
Google
Search
Results
You
Sounded
Unsure
About
If
It
Was
Used
On
Gmail
Too
It
Is
Ad
Sense
Is
Using
Google
Crawls
To
Find
Relative
Topics
On
Your
Site
And
Using
Ads
To
Match
Your
Content
To
The
Ad
Words
For
Example
If
You
Were
To
Use
Ad
Words
Your
Ad
Will
Show
Up
On
Google
Search
Results
Gmail
And
On
Websites
Using
The
Ad
Words
Program
Such
As
Mine
Oh
And
I
Guess
This
Is
Where
I
Read
His
Site
Gib
Lee
G
I
B
L
E
Dot
Info
Slash
Blog
So
I
Guess
If
I'm
Pimping
The
Site
That
Brings
Out
His
Webmaster
Address
I
Think
Google
Ad
Sense
Is
Pretty
Cool
But
I
Have
Found
It
To
Be
Freaking
Stupid
At
Times
Showing
Ads
Related
To
Nothing
On
My
Site
Yeah
I
Seen
That
A
Lot
Myself
Plus
You
Have
To
Make
100
Bucks
Before
They
Pay
You
A
Damn
Cent
I
Have
Had
Mine
Since
November
And
I've
Only
Gotten
Three
Bucks
So
Far
This
Is
Something
People
With
Thousands
Of
Hits
Per
Day
Should
Look
At
Hmm
Interesting
I'm
Just
Trying
To
Find
A
Way
To
Pay
For
My
Bills
That
Was
The
Greatest
That
Was
The
Greatest
Freudian
Slip
Ever
There
You
Go
Just
Trying
A
Way
To
Pay
For
My
Bills
He
Said
I
Guess
I
Got
Beer
On
The
Mine
But
Not
That
Beer
You
Bought
In
Atlanta
Clearly
Ad
Sense
Isn't
The
Way
One
Last
Thing
On
Your
Ethical
Hacking
Cert
What
Did
They
Teach
You
Nothing
Was
It
The
Classic
Hacking
Is
Wrong
Crap
Or
Noob
Stuff
Like
In
Web
Design
Classes
And
They
Make
You
Use
Front
Page
When
They
Couldn't
Do
Anything
Without
A
Wise
A
Wig
Editor
I've
Been
Tempted
To
Get
One
Of
Those
Just
To
Have
The
Cert
To
Have
Some
Kind
Of
Way
Of
Saying
I
Can
Do
Security
Assessments
And
Have
A
Piece
Of
Paper
To
Back
Me
Up
It's
Sad
That
People
Who
Have
No
Real
Knowledge
Of
Hacking
Can
Go
Around
Saying
They're
A
Real
Hacker
When
They
Don't
Know
Shit
It
Is
Sad
To
See
Things
Made
To
Help
People
Who
Have
The
Knowledge
Such
As
Hacking
Tools
Easy
To
Use
Editors
Certifications
That
Have
Ended
Up
Screwing
A
Instead
Of
Giving
This
Now
I'm
Going
To
Make
An
Upcoming
Episode
Talking
About
The
Certification
And
I
Will
Give
Some
Sample
Questions
I
Cut
And
Pasted
Some
Of
The
Ones
That
I
Found
Confusing
Or
Interesting
I'll
Share
A
Couple
Of
Them
And
Talk
About
Generally
What
It
Covers
And
Format
And
Things
Like
That
So
I'm
Going
To
Save
That
For
A
Later
show
Forgive
me
But
Tonight
We're
Running
We
Gotta
Hurry
Up
And
Get
This
Done
By
The
Way
I
Should
Mention
That
This
Is
The
Latest
We've
Ever
Done
A
Show
If
We
Waited
Any
Longer
We
Would
Have
To
Go
Live
So
Still
May
Yeah
We
Still
May
I
Don't
Know
If
This
Is
Going
To
Get
Mixed
In
Time
So
Unfortunately
This
Is
A
Bad
Day
I
Should
Save
This
Email
For
Next
Week
So
I
Will
Go
Into
An
In
Depth
Analysis
On
That
Sometime
Soon
Okay
Let's
See
Next
Email
From
Sardonics
Who
Says
Hey
Stankdog
I
Just
Wanted
To
Say
Hi
And
Say
You're
Doing
A
Great
Job
On
The
Show
Been
Listening
Since
About
Episode
65
Now
I've
Registered
On
The
Forums
And
Troll
Them
Daily
Okay
Troll
Them
As
In
He
Reads
Through
Them
Daily
He's
Not
Trolling
As
In
Stirring
Up
You
Know
Trouble
Trolling
I
Hope
That's
What
He
Means
Also
Because
Of
Hack
TV
Episode
One
I'm
Now
A
Bonafide
War
Driver
Since
I
Watched
You
Go
Around
And
Finding
So
Many
Wireless
Networks
It
Made
Me
Curious
On
How
Many
Networks
I
Have
Around
My
Home
So
I
Booted
Up
My
Laptop
With
Net
Stumbler
And
A
Buddy
And
I
Walked
Since
This
Experience
I've
Grown
To
Running
NotPix
STD
On
My
Laptop
Kismet
And
Other
Networking
Tools
Getting
An
Orinoco
Gold
Wi-Fi
Card
And
An
Antenna
Very
Nice
I've
Also
Been
Searching
The
Net
Rigorously
For
Other
Wi-Fi
Tools
Networking
Tools
I
Was
Wondering
If
You
Could
Give
Me
Some
Good
Examples
Of
Tools
Maybe
Speak
A
Gave
Me
To
Support
My
New
Hobby
Thanks
Sardonyx
Well
That
Could
Also
Be
A
Big
Topic
I
Don't
Know
That
We
Have
Time
To
Go
Into
A
List
Of
All
Kinds
Of
Tools
And
Things
Magazine
2600
I
Know
2600
Had
An
Issue
Where
The
Cover
Of
It
Was
An
Overhead
View
Of
New
York
With
All
The
Hot
Spots
And
The
Diameter
Of
The
Circle
For
How far
It
Reached
And
Things
Like
That
So
That
Would
Be
One
To
Get
I
Think
Episode
Not
Episode
Issue
Was
It
Issue
Two
Of
Binary
Revolution
Magazine
Had
Ghetto
Driving
Article
So
But
You
Know
What
Those
You
Already
Know
Some
Of
That
Stuff
Right
Now
You
Already
Got
Past
That
So
I
Don't
Know
That
That's
Going
To
Help
You
A
Whole
Lot
There's
Wardriver
Wardriving
Dot
Com
Are
There
Any
Other
Sites
You
Might
Recommend
To
This
Guy
Actually
I
Was
Going
To
Mention
This
Later
But
Right
Now
Security
Focus
Has
Their
Second
And
A
Two
Part
Article
Left
Dead
Again
If
You
Want
To
Read
That
I
Thought
That
Was
Cool
Read
That
Today
I
Can
Suggest
A
Couple
Apps
Obviously
Kismet
Air
Crack
Is
Awesome
And
Ethereal
Obviously
But
Other
Than
That
Snort
I'm
Sorry
What
Was
The
Article
You
Said
On
Security
Focus
I
Think
You
Broke
Up
When
You
Said
That
Oh
Sorry
It's
Called
Wet
Dead
Again
Part
Two
Talks
About
A
New
Idea
Into
Breaking
Or
Actually
Generating
Traffic
For
Without
Actually
Having
The
Key
To
Break
What
It's
Actually
Pretty
Cool
Kind
Of
Scary
Yeah
Okay
I
Know
Yeah
I'm
With
You
Now
Okay
Well
Yeah
Unfortunately
Maybe
We'll
Go
Into
That
Again
And
Actually
That
We
Will
Go
Into
That
Again
When
We
Talk
About
The
CEH
Because
There
It
Has
A
Big
Emphasis
And
Focus
On
Tools
So
Actually
That
Will
Be
A
Good
Episode
For
You
As
Well
I
Got
To
Make
Sure
We
Get
That
Done
In
The
Next
Couple
Weeks
Okay
The
Next
Email
This
Week
Comes
From
Coding
Monkey
Not
Code
Monkey
We
Already
Have
A
Code
Monkey
In
The
Fun
So
This
Is
Coding
Monkey
Who
Is
From
The
UK
He
Says
Hi
Mr.
Dog
I
Just
Wanted
To
Say
I
Find
Your
Site
Very
Interesting
And
You
Provided
Me
With
An
Almost
Endless
Supply
Of
MP3
To
Keep
My
Brain
Occupied
During
A
Dull
Day
Books
On
The
Subject
Which
Started
To
Help
Me
Think
Outside
The
Box
Anyway
I
Thought
I
Would
Send
You
One
Of
My
Articles
In
My
Blog
About
How
Our
Local
Council
Is
Making
Identity
Theft
Easier
Now
This
Is
Kind
Of
Long
I'm
Not
Going to
Read
This
URL
And
I
Didn't
Have
Time
To
Tiny
URL
It
But
This
Affects
The
UK
Anyway
He
Goes
On
Advertising
Epicenter
Of
The
Hack
What's
In
It
For
Me
What
Do
I
Get
Out
Of
This
I
Get
I'm
Giving
Out
Free
Advertising
Here
What's
Up
With
This
You
Get
The
Next
One
Fuzzies
What
The
Hell
I
Always
Do
This
Anybody
You
Know
What
Anybody
That's
Cool
Enough
To
Email
Me
Or
Producing
Things
I
Don't
Mind
I'm
Just
I'm
Just
Messing
With
You
Coding
Monkey
Of
Course
This
URL
See
Now
This
I
I'm
Just
Joking
With
This
Guy
But
Just
To
Be
Serious
For
A
Moment
This
Is
When
You
Don't
Use
Elite
Speak
I
Don't
Like
Elite
When
It's
Used
In
A
URL
Too
Hard
To
Read
Yeah
It's
Too
Hard
To
Read
But
I'm
Going
To
Do
It
For
You
Coding
Monkey
And
His
Link
Is
C
Zero
D
I
N
G
M
Coding
Monkey
With
Zero
Three
Dot
Blogspot
Dot
Com
So
There
You
Go
Check
That
Out
Um
And
Uh
Let's
See
Where
Was
I
Here
In
My
Notes
I
Lost
My
Spot
Okay
We
Have
Another
Email
This
Is
A
Pretty
Long
One
From
C
Belly
Who
Says
Hi
Guys
Last
Episode
Of
The
Radio
Show
Stank
Dog
Was
Talking
About
How
You
Couldn't
Find
Geocities
Pages
Other
Than
The
Main
Geocities
Page
By
Using
Google
He
Basically
Was
Saying
That
It
Seems
Yahoo
May
Be
Trying
To
Screen
Off
Some
Sort
Screen
Off
Some
Of
The
Internet
This
Peaked
My
Curiosity
So
I
Did
A
Little
Digging
Short
Story
The
Internet
Is
Not
Being
Broken
Yet
Long
Story
ار
Friend
Follows
Packed
A
On
Te
In
This
yet, so I didn't present it in fact. I said it looks bad. What could it be? This gentleman
did the research for me. Using the search, and you know what? A couple other people mentioned
this too. They put the NURL tag on some of their searches, or the site. Put sitegeocities.com
or NURLgeocities.com. I had a couple people recommend that and say that they ended up
getting tons of hits. You did get all those hits. I was just putting in the word Geocities.
Anyway, this person tried to look up the robots.txt for Geocities. He found a link with
a meta tag that says, meta name, Googlebot, content, no snippet, meta name, robots, blah,
blah, blah, which is a snippet of the URL Geocities.com slash David Winson slash robots.txt. I'll put
that up in the show notes. I'm not going to tie in the URL of that either. The complete
robots.txt is this. He's saying robots.txt is not actually a robots.txt file. I could
not find also a robots.txt file on Geocities. That's probably because they are embedding
it in the pages. What he sent me are the meta tags, which accomplishes the same thing.
The meta tag says, name Googlebot, which is the name of the agent. Content is no snippet.
And the other meta tag is robots.txt no archive. So anyway, back to the email. It says, all
right, not very interesting in itself, but if you click on the similar results option,
you'll see that a lot of the base domains of large sites seem to have the same robots.txt
file or again, tag formation. Some of them include Yahoo, Geocities, Link Exchange, Angel Fire,
Fortune City, and if you look far enough, Google.com and EFF.org. Now the first tag, this is a really
good email. Now the first tag, meta name Googlebot content no snippet, is supposed to cause Google
to not show the text snippet, which normally appears under the link of the search result.
And it is also supposed to kill Google's cache for the page. It appears my search got around
that in this case, or perhaps Google keeps the robots.txt cached so they know they're not
supposed to show the rest of the site for some reason. The second tag, meta name robots content
no archive, stops all spiders from archiving the page, not just Google. This makes me think
that what you found is standard operating procedure and not anything malicious. It probably saves
on bandwidth and processors. So to double check, I tried searching for www.yahoo.com, www.google.com,
and they all came up with one listing just like the Geocities search. Well, how does Yahoo
have search results for geocities.com, then you might wonder. My bet is they aren't spidering
it. It's their server, so it would be easier to keep track of and link to, I would think.
I'm going to stop here just because he's definitely on the right track here. He's pretty much got
it. I believe everything sounds absolutely correct so far, but I still see this as a potential
problem, a potential issue. Let's say that their tags do have the robots exclusion in there
that prevent Google or any other search engine from hitting it. If that's the case, all of
those other engines aren't hitting it yet because Yahoo owns it. They are getting it included in
their database, and that was the problem I mentioned. If that happens, you might be fragmenting
the internet, so that danger kind of still exists a little bit. However, I had some other people
email me saying that they were able to find a bunch of the hits, so it's kind of tricky
what's going on here, but I'm not quite sure I like the smell of it. But anyway, I just wanted
to mention that here. Now, let me go back to his email, which says, now, I'm not absolutely
positive as I couldn't view the robots.txt files on those large websites. I'm not sure how
to. Perhaps someone would be kind enough to check it out or explain how to. And actually,
let me stop there as well, because what I suspect happens on these sites, and the listeners,
you can go check it out. You can go to geocities.com slash robots.txt, which is where the official
robots.txt is supposed to be. That's where the spiders look for it. That's the standard.
And you'll get a file not found. I don't think that these sites are putting out a robots.txt file.
What they're doing is using those meta tags, which accomplishes the same thing. You can do
everything in one of two different ways, with the meta tags or with the robots.txt file. And I
mentioned that in my robots and spiders article in 2600 a while back. The meta tags, and I'm just
guessing, thinking out loud here, if somebody, we actually, we had a listener who's at Yahoo. Maybe
he can confirm this if he's hearing this. What I'm suspecting is over at Geocities and some of
these other sites is they're parsing, they're generating these pages server side. And they're
probably inserting the same meta tags for robots to everybody's page in addition to whatever pages
you've uploaded. Since they have full control and you're on their terms of service, probably the
same way that they add in the advertising. You know, on Geocities, you get that Java bar
thing, advertising crap on the right-hand side. I'm sure the users aren't putting that on there.
I'm sure that Geocities is parsing through and inserting that to everybody's page.
Does that make sense? Are you with me? I'm suspecting just as easily as they could put that JavaScript
tag in there, assuming it's JavaScript, I don't know if it is, but whatever it is, they could
just as easily put those on the server side, insert the meta tags that they want for everybody's
pages. So it's not cool and that's one of the drawbacks to using one of those sites,
but one of the good things is that they're free. So, you know, you have to deal with stuff
like that, I guess. So that's why you don't actually see the robots.txt file. So that makes
sense there. Let's see. Also, if you want to search Geocities or any of those larger sites
using Google, use the search term site and then the name of the site, for example, geocities.com
and whatever other search terms you want to use. For the other sites, substitute their domain name
in place of the Geocities domain name, of course. Keep up the good work. I look forward to hearing
the show each week. Oh yeah, could you possibly add an episode number to your ID3 tags? Perhaps
something as simple as E83, so it's easier to tell if I've listened to a show or if I've got a new
show to listen to. Thanks. Actually, we do. The ID3 tag does contain an episode. The episode number,
unless you want it in the actual title, and usually I don't have enough space for that. I usually am
very tight on how much space I have to put in a description. The podcast feed, however, includes
the episode number. So you can always look on the podcast and find out which episode it is. And
the ID3 tag does have the episode number as well. It's just not in the title line. If that's what
you're asking for, then yeah, that's going to be pretty tough and have redundant data all over the
place. So look again. Maybe you just had a corrupt file or something like that. But thank you for the
email. That was a good email. You did some homework. You gave us some answers. We worked together and came
out. We still don't know exactly how bad this is. You shouldn't have to put the site or the NURL.
You know, I was searching for Geocity, space, and then a term of some kind. And I wasn't getting
much luck. So that's why I noticed it in the first place. All right. So anyway, let's hit one more
email and then jump into our show and tell slash main topic, actually. Last email is from
underground leper who says, yo, stank gizzle dog. I was wondering what are the best languages
to learn to start off with hacking? I'm not learning to hack. You know what? That is the
best answer to that is the great answer. You're absolutely right. And anybody who's in the forums,
I hope they heard the answer to that question. The best language to learn to start off hacking
English, not leet. I'm not learning to hack really to get back at a, to get back at people
or to learn. Now, Jenny's phone number is 867-5309. Oops, sorry about that. But for knowledge
and just as a hobby and well to mess with my friends. Also, I was wondering how old you and
your colleague is are just kind of, just to kind of make sure I am not way behind being nearly 20
years of age. Leet to you guys. That's from underground leopard. Now, um, I think you'll probably
agree with me on this, that age doesn't mean anything. Absolutely does not. I mean, you probably
should. I'm 107 going on 14. Uh, the age doesn't really mean, I mean, you, I mean, you should
respect people that have been in the scene for a long time. Don't get me wrong, but that
doesn't necessarily mean that they're inherently any better or more knowledgeable or anything
like that. Um, I mean, for the record, I'm 33, but that doesn't really mean anything. There
are people that'll blow me out of the water. You know, there are kids out there. And when
I say kids, I'm 33, I can call people kids. I can get away with that. There are some young
guys out there, some young men who are just coming out of high school or even still in
high school that are brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. And I would never take that away.
And just because they're younger, I absolutely give credit and props to people like that.
Absolutely. Age doesn't mean anything. But just for the curiosity factor, I'm 33.
Um, so even at 19, 20, it doesn't matter. I think most people in the scene are between
those two ages. I'm, I'm on the upper end of those, of that age range.
I mean, I'm 23.
Okay. I didn't know if you wanted to drop docs, so we'll, I'll let you.
And my social security number is.
There you go. All right.
So yeah, age doesn't really mean anything, honestly. It's about knowledge and learning it
and having the right state of mind and all that kind of stuff. So I've met,
people, like I said, that are so much younger than me that know a lot more about different
topics. I mean, nobody knows everything. There's always somebody out there better than
you at something. So always be, be humble and be respectful of that. There are absolutely
people out there that will blow me away.
Like voodoo Hal here.
And we'll use this as a segue as a matter of fact to, uh, to our, let's see, how are
we on time? We're, we're going to make, this is going to be a speed summary of Interzone
4. Um, and go on to our show and tell. And actually the show and tell is the main topic
and that is Interzone 4 conference that voodoo Hal and I both attended this weekend. Um, I
guess before we talk about the conference itself, I have a little, I have some actual physical
show and tell I have in my hands hitting the microphone with these. I have in my hands
here the stickers that they placed on my luggage. Now I noticed it on the way up there that when
I got off and picked up my luggage in Atlanta, I noticed a shiny little sticker on my tag.
Now they, they put a little thing on your luggage with the barcode so they can track
it and all that kind of stuff to get it to the destination. Well, I noticed these shiny
little stickers that said cleared on it when we got to Atlanta. So I thought it unusual and
I thought maybe they searched. I did not get searched on the plane this time. I didn't
have the S's. I didn't get searched. Um, whoo. Apparently somebody's getting searched
right now. Um, however, I did get off and find these stickers on my luggage, which I thought to
be kind of curious. Well, I didn't really have anything to worry about. So fine. If that's what
they're doing these days, I didn't really care too much. I tore them off and went about my business.
But when I flew home, it happened again. And I, as I even mentioned this, when you remember this,
and when we got off the plane and we were waiting for my luggage, which voodoo Hal was kind
enough to pick me up at the airport, when we were waiting for my luggage, I noticed them,
but we didn't check or didn't have time to check to see if any, everybody had them or if it was just
me being singled out. Was it a random search? Did they single me out? Was everybody getting it?
Well, on the way home, I did check and I did notice that everybody had this. It wasn't that
anybody got singled out. This was placed on everybody's luggage. So I kind of put my mind at
ease insofar as that they didn't single me out. However, they're searching everyone's luggage or
are they? So I watched the process thoroughly on the way back and I watched the gentleman load my
luggage into the big, I don't know, x-ray machine or whatever that they put it on. You hand it off
to him and they forward it on up there. He asks you if you have any firearms in the luggage and that
kind of stuff. So I didn't have any in there and everything was fine. And I purposely watched it
and this person did not put any stickers on my luggage. So it happened somewhere behind the
scenes. And again, it happened to everybody. And this is this little sticker that says
cleared on it. It's a holographic sticker. If you look it into the light, it says original genuine
in the background. And it's got a logo that says U.S. Department of Homeland Security. And around
that seal, it says Transportation Security Administration. And beneath that and these
particular stickers, it says ATL, which was, of course, me flying out of Atlanta. And then it has
a sequence of numbers. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven numbers. Obviously, these are back-to-back
numbers. So they were incremented one by one. Obviously, since it's a unique number, it was somehow tied
to my luggage. And the fact that it says ATL tells me that it was put on in the Atlanta airport,
somewhere behind the scenes at their end of the process, not at the return airport.
So why am I telling you this? I don't know. I found it interesting and I'm just sharing it. That's all.
That's the only thing. And information is a good thing. Why did they want to do this? What were they
looking for? Did they really look in it? Or is just some guy back there trying to peel stickers off and
put them on as fast as they can so they can get me in the air? Did anybody actually look at anything?
So I don't know how in-depth that goes. So if anybody has been down that rabbit hole and can
shed some more light, please do. One other interesting story while I was coming back.
And again, I flew AirTran, a.k.a. Ghetto Airlines. While I was waiting, the plane at my terminal
before my flight was going to Miami. And I sat and watched everybody go through line. I'm sitting
there sniffing at the airport, doing a little hack-soaring. And I watched all these people
get on the plane. And then I watched this four people, a family of four, get back off the plane.
They almost got on a plane to Miami. They were supposed to be traveling to Orlando. I was,
you know, doing a little shoulder surfing, listening in. But the interesting thing here is that
it tells me how closely they are not looking at your tickets. With all this heightened security,
they're supposed to be checking all these things closely. Yet somehow they let four people get on
the wrong plane. They just tore the tag and sent them on through. Somebody was not paying very close
attention. So all of the security junk that they're doing. And like we've said so many times
and hackers preach about and Mitnick has said in all of his speeches, the human element is the weakest
part of the whole security link. So I found that a little bit not surprising, I guess, because,
well, I'm used to incompetence. But I found it a little bit disturbing and interesting. So
that's my kind of show and tell. Although, like I said,
Interzone 4, Voodoo Hal and I both spent the weekend at. So unless you have some other interesting
stuff besides that.
No, I guess I can let you get started on Interzone.
Yeah, let's, um, we're going to have to do this pretty quickly and maybe we'll finish this up
another time. But there's really not a whole lot to say detail wise. It's another conference.
It's another small conference. It's at interzone.com if you want to find information. And I've
already mentioned this stuff on the show before. Interzone with a zero. And it takes place in
Atlanta. And they do it, I think, I think it's a little more often than once a year. I think
it's like every nine or ten months or something like that, if I'm not mistaken. I could be wrong
there. But it's one of the smaller conferences. And not to say that it's small, but there's
basically DEF CON, there's HOPE, and then there's everything else. So all the rest of
them, um, you know, they have a good and bad about them. They're all good and they're, you
know, they're interesting that you get to hang out with people and stuff like that.
Interzone, I have to say, I was pretty impressed with. First of all, they took care of me personally.
Rocket, I was very happy that he gave me everything that I needed, um, helped me get up there,
offered all kinds of things to help make me comfortable, to give me what I needed up there
so I would enjoy myself. So from a personal standpoint, I, it was great. Um, secondly,
I was impressed with the organization of it. Now, it was still, it's run by hackers, so there's still
some issues here and there that had to be ironed out. And there was some stuff that wasn't ironed
out until the very, very last minute. But when I say organization, I like the fact that they did
have two clearly delineated speaking tracks. You knew, for the most part, what was going on in
each one. The schedule needed a lot of work. The schedule was pretty half-assed, for whatever
reason. Um, but you knew where everybody was, so I guess it accomplished the most important thing.
Um, listed the speakers and the times and all that kind of stuff. So, uh, and they had signage
pointing to where you're supposed to go. All the rooms were close together. The vendor area was
very convenient and I liked that a lot. You didn't have to go to some separate part of the hotel or
some separate part of the, of the event to find the vendors and stuff like that. There weren't many
vendors, which I actually like vendors at a conference. I think that's part of the conference
to me is to look at the t-shirts and look at the stuff that people have and, and, you know,
finding out information about different, different websites and different projects that people are,
are advertising at the vendor area. So I like the vendor area, a good vendor area as part of it.
And, and that's one of the things actually that was lacking at Freakneck. They, they're,
they basically just set up a bunch of tables way away from the, where most of the traffic
was and were like, yeah, you can have one if you want it. But nobody was going back there.
Was it downstairs again?
Yeah. And it was, it was behind, it was behind the registration thing where they also had
gaming set up back there. So.
Yeah. So, you know, it was, and there's nothing wrong with that. It's cool and all.
It's just wasn't really what I was hoping for. I liked enter zone layout and design,
the organization of the layout and all that kind of stuff much better. Just my personal opinion.
Um, also, as far as presentations go, there were more people attending them and I was kind
of disappointed at Freakneck only, only insofar as that I felt bad. There was a couple of presentations
where there were literally three or four people in the audience. And I saw that happen in
inner zone two once, but for the most part, there were always, you know, 15 plus people.
I mean, I think there was about 15, 10 to 15 at mine, you know, which, you know, that's
fine. That's okay. You know, it doesn't have to be hundreds of people listening.
And yours by far was the most boring. I mean, uh, greatest.
Yeah, right. Yeah. And actually, you know what, since we'll use that segue because quite frankly,
I am a little disappointed in my presentation because, no, no, no, no, you're blowing smoke
up my ass. It wasn't very, I think the content and everything was fine. I think I just spoke
a, I spoke way too fast. Um, it was an hour presentation and I ended up being done in 30
minutes. So I don't felt like I, I don't feel like I took advantage of my time and I always
hate that. That's one of my pet peeves. I always want to take advantage of time that I
have. Um, so it was too short. That's my biggest beef. I think the content was fine because
I knew going into it and had been telling everybody. It was very lighthearted. It wasn't
a big breakthrough exploit or anything like that. It was more like a fun hack that anybody
can do. And it was announcing a new site of ours, which I guess now that I think about
it, we can announce on the show. Um, I already put it up on stankdog.com, but to announce it
to our listening audience, it is, uh, a disposable email site called willhackforfood.biz.
And that's all one word. Will hack for food, F O R food dot B I Z. Now it's dot biz because
at the time we registered, it was five bucks a year. So we just went and cheaped out and
we didn't really fully intend on using that site for anything other than a sandbox to
play around in and install stuff and hack at and stuff like that. That was our property.
So when we came up with the idea for this, we thought it was kind of a funny URL to have
your name at willhackforfood.biz. We just thought it kind of funny. So, and if you'll
see the presentation, which I will upload as well, you'll understand that it's kind of
secondary to the site name because the ultimate goal of this, the next version of this, which
will be open sourced again, uh, uh, as well is that anybody will be able to put this up
on any site. So the URL becomes somewhat irrelevant. But yes, personally, I wasn't happy with it.
I had notes typed up and I forgot to print them before I left. And the listeners know I'm
a notes guy. My show novels are famous. I always like typing things up ahead of time because I
forget things. So even though I presented this at my local 2600 meeting, it was a 45 minute
presentation there. And I added some slides to it since then. It should have been longer.
I didn't have my notes in front of me. So I missed a few jokes here and there that I wanted
to insert. I missed a few, uh, detailed technical parts of it. So, and I knew the slides, I knew
the presentation, I covered all the content. I just missed a few extra details I could have
gone into. And I feel, I regret that a little bit, but I still think it was, you know, decent
enough. And, um, hopefully some people will have some fun with it. Um, let's see. And I
think you and I were probably in the same boat on this insofar as we weren't really able to
attend a whole lot of other presentations. I think you attended, you attended more than I
did because I was sitting out at the vendor booth at our table. I took in maybe four or
five, which is a decent amount, I guess. But I missed a couple of people. I missed Dr.
Chaos' talk. I wanted to see that. I missed, um, uh, Simple Nomad's keynote. I caught the
end of that. He was presenting before me, actually. I followed him. So I caught the end
of that. And actually, I kind of almost missed my talk because of something else that you and
I did. And we'll, I think we'll talk about that in a second as well. But were there any
presentations that you wanted to single out as being good or that you wanted to mention
on the air?
Um, the lockpicking, uh, presentation was pretty awesome. Um.
Yeah, you went to that. How, how was that? I actually, I never did talk to you about that.
Was it pretty good?
It was great. Uh, as far, I mean, I, I have no experience in lockpicking at all. And it was
pretty clear. I enjoyed it. Um, the other was, um, I forget who did this talk, but it
was on vulnerability management in the enterprise. Um, it was cool. Um, let's see, I went to
a talk, um, to one of the workshops on Wireless 101, where I, uh, accidentally, uh, changed the
config on, uh, their example links as router before I realized that's what it was there
for.
And it heard me.
Uh, um, let's see, what else did I make it to? I made it to, um, uh, what was his name?
Angus's talk.
Oh, that's someone, that's another one I remember, honestly.
I didn't get, I didn't get to see Angus, but I didn't get to see his, uh, presentation
either. And I forgot, I wanted to see that, but he is involved with the packet wars that
I guess maybe we should go ahead. Actually, I, I, a couple other presentations I wanted to
mention. I, I went to see Virgil's presentation, which was about data mining using Google.
Google. And that was an interesting thing and something that actually can spawn a bunch
of projects. And I stayed and spoke to him afterwards for a while. And I've met him at
Hope and Freaknik and stuff before. So I finally got to spend some time talking to him, which
was cool. And talk to him about turning this into some actual projects, because it's the
kind of thing that a lot of people can do. And it's something you can learn how to do
fairly quickly. And as you get into it, learn more and more and get more detailed. And you
can find a lot of interesting stuff using it. So I'm going to, I already spoke to him
and we're going to try to get together and, um, put some projects out there for people
to work on using Google and doing some data mining. Um, I also, of course, um, went to
see, well, actually, Acidus went on to present, um, afterwards. And of course, he always gives
good presentations. Acidus is such a good guy. Uh, he went on and gave a great presentation
on, uh, running an open source project, running successful open source project, which, um,
uh, he has some experience with. So those guys, they're, they're always consistently good
speakers and giving out good material. Um, so the other highlight of the show, and we
will probably go into more depth on this. I would like to get the guys from HackSec on
the show maybe to talk some more detail about this. But while we were sitting out at the
table, someone, and maybe I don't remember his handle unless you do. I don't remember
his handle, honestly.
No, I don't either.
Yeah. He, he came out there and you and I were just sitting there chatting and he came
out and was recruiting us to go back to Packet Wars. Now Packet Wars is a war games thing
like the ghetto hackers used to put on at DEFCON, which they're not doing anymore. So these
guys are trying to put another one together, someone somewhat similar, but somewhat different
as well, addressing some of the, some of the things that were people didn't like about
the old ones. And anyway, this was the first time they debuted at a dinner zone. First time
they put it together. There were a few hiccups here and there, but we were sitting out there
and this guy that we had met, and unfortunately I can't remember his name now and I feel bad
about that, but came out and recruited us. Well, I immediately said, you know what, I'm
a noob. I can't really help you with this. But I pushed Voodoo Hal in front of the bus.
I said, take him. You know, this guy's going to, he knows what he's doing. You don't want
me. I'm just going to be in the way. So you went back there and signed up and you guys
were back there getting ready to get started. And I guess you couldn't recruit anybody else.
So at this point. Yeah. We got a couple of people and then you decided to join us.
Well, yeah. And we got Acidus as well. Yeah. So you could, you could have up to five people
on the team and you had three at this point and you came back out and asked, at this point
Acidus and I were sitting there chatting. He had just showed, gotten there to the, to
the hotel. And you guys came out and said you had room for two more. And Acidus and I
both looked at each other and were like, well, why not? You know, we didn't, we didn't
really, I can say anyway, I didn't feel like I'd be able to add much. And I was pretty accurate
about that, but we figured what the heck, you know what? I've never done one of those
before. I've never really been into it. I didn't think it would be all that fun. I went
back there, signed up, joined on the team and yeah, I was pretty much in the way, but
you know what? I have to admit I had a really, that was really the highlight of the weekend.
I mean, as far as events go, I had a blast. I thought it was really fun and I don't really
know what else to, to say about it without going into a lot of detail, which we don't
have time for. All I can say is Voodoo Howl's the man. That's all I can say. They basically
give you a challenge and I like, for example, the first challenge we sat down was A, to root
the box. You don't know what the box is, what OS it's running and things like that.
They'll give you the IP and tell you this is where the box is at. Challenge number one
was to root the box. Challenge number two was to put a text file somewhere.
Uh, yep.
And challenge number three was to install a service.
Yeah, run a service of some sort.
Exactly.
So, those were the three things and we all start at the same time. There's a hub at each
table and a team at each table. It's like four teams, I believe.
And they turn the hub on for everybody so you all start at the same time, theoretically.
Um, and as soon as you go, you start working, you start setting up, trying to hit that box.
All I know is I'm over there. I don't know what's going on. I'm waiting for a foul ball
or the hot dog vendor to come by. I'm lost. All I know is about 45 seconds into the thing,
I hear Voodoo Howl go, I'm in. Own the freaking box in like a minute.
Or a couple minutes. Once the box was rooted, throwing a text file on there, there's nothing
to that. That was the easy part. And then we kind of stumbled a little bit because I
guess we misinterpreted the third challenge, if you will, or the third step.
Right. We spent about 30 minutes trying to get a Windows service installed. And, uh, not
thinking that a service could also just mean a listening daemon of any sort. So that's
when we broke down, tossed Netcat on the box and got it listening.
Yeah. It was useless. It didn't really do anything, but it was there. You could, you
could, you could, you could tell Net to it. Didn't really do much for you, but it was running.
So that did qualify. And so we completed all three tasks. Now, if we would have done that
one a little bit quicker, it would have been all good. So we completed those three in about
what, like you said, about a half an hour?
Yeah.
And it was a 45 minute challenge. So after we'd completed them, another team also completed
theirs about the same time. A team full of ringers, I might add. A team full of professionals
who do this for a living and get paid for it. Um, after we'd completed all three of them,
they did about the same time as well. So it's cool that we were able to hang with them. And
when I say we, I mean you. Um, they gave us a little bonus challenge and this one kind
of stumped us. We did not get this done by the time limit. And that was to change the
wallpaper that they had applied on that box. It was a Windows 2000 box. And none of us knew
how to change the wallpaper from the Windows command line.
So.
We would have had it though, but unfortunately the, uh, DNC DLL injection with Metasploit wasn't
working.
Yeah. And I, what I was doing on my box, I think I could have gotten it working, but I think
I had logged in with the wrong account or something. I think I used, uh, a different
account because what I was doing was once we had access to the box, I logged, I connected
to the box and was trying to do a remote reg edit. And I had it up and working. I was going
through the registry and I was just a matter of searching and finding the right registry
key because I also don't know where it is offhand. However, I must've logged in with
a non-admin account. I don't know what I logged in with, but it was giving me errors when
I tried to, I was giving me, um, authority errors when I tried to look at them. So I probably
should have had that and screwed that up. So we did not get that finished. And the short
version is the other team did the team of ringers. So they ended up actually winning.
Um, but I was proud of, of how we did and how you did. I told you you were going to own
it and you did. You were awesome at that. Um, and I gotta say it motivated me to really
start getting into this more. I didn't think I would like these things. I'd never thought
I'd have any interest and I had a blast and I think I'm going to brush up on some of my
skills and get into this a little bit more myself. I don't know if I'll follow them around
and do these regularly because they want to get real gung ho and put accounts on the box
and track people's scores and teams and rivalries and things. I don't know that I'm going to
get that far in it, but just the knowledge base, I should get much better at using a lot of
these and more familiar with exploiting and rooting a box.
But I thought it was, I had a blast and you did too, right?
Definitely. I'm, I'm, that was great. I do plan on doing those again. Oh, and by the
way, a quick search through the registry found the wallpaper.
Yeah, see, if I would have had, and I did, I was able to connect to the remote registry.
That wasn't a problem at all. I just, I think I used the wrong damn account and I should
have had that. I blew that for us. I'll take credit for that. Whatever.
Nah.
Yeah, yeah.
Um, and let's see, there was some partying going on like at every con.
Um, I've been joking with everybody saying I'm a smoker now because I get so much secondhand
smoke from banging out at these parties. It's a good thing you can't secondhand drink or I'd
be a drunk also.
Well, I'm just too old for the whole partying thing, but, um, I, yeah, yeah, right. Exactly.
Um, I, um, no, I hung out for a little while. I stayed for, you know, for until like one
in the morning, one night and, and, um, actually I left at one the next night, but went and hung
out with some other people and didn't get to bed till like three 30. So, um, I was up
and out and about, but the best thing about the conferences to me, all of them, and this
one particularly is the people I got to hang out and talk to some of the most brilliant
people I've ever met in my life. Some of the most eclectic people I've ever met in my
life too, but some of the most brilliant people and people, uh, first of all, it's seeing people
that you already know and get along with, you know, it's great sitting down and catching
up with Acidus and what he's been doing on. And, and technically it was the first time
you and I met in real life. Yep. So, you know, after we made sweet, sweet love down
by the fire, we were able to hang out many, many times, many, many times. Oh, there was
no fireplace. We were on like the fifth floor. There was no fireplace up there. Damn it.
Um, but, uh, yeah, meeting a bunch of these guys that I had known before and catching up
with them and then meeting some new people who I'd spoke like, like I mentioned, Dr.
Chaos, spoken with him via email a couple of times. He was, uh, he was really nice and meeting
him in person. It's really cool. And actually some listeners of the show that we met there,
lots of, lots of cool people and just hanging out and talking and learning and listening.
That's the best thing about the conference bar none. All of the other stuff is standard
fair. Some talks are better than others, but meeting and hanging out with people that are
similarly minded because come on, I'm sure you can back me up on this. It's hard to find
people that you can relate to. Oh, definitely. You know, locally sometimes, even at the 2600
meetings sometimes, you might not exactly be on the same levels or the same thought process,
I should say, you know, and what interests you. So I had, that was the best part of the
whole thing. And I don't know what was up with that whole outer zone deal. I don't get that
at all, but frankly, I thought that was pretty lame. I thought that was pretty rude. Um, yeah,
I mean this, I, apparently I'm not going to get involved. You know what? Apparently some
people have beef with inter zone or in the way it's run or the person that runs it. So
they decided to create something called outer zone and, um, basically go into a hotel room
at the inner zone hotel, which I guess there's nothing wrong with that. I mean, it's open hotel.
You can get a room and try to, I guess not, it wasn't so much compete with it or make
another conference. I think it was more of a protest thing and voodoo how has dropped
off the line. I think it was kind of a protest thing where they just wanted to come in and
say, you know, Hey, we don't like the way you're running things, but we're going to show up
because we want to hang out with our friends and stuff like that. So that's all fine.
That is nothing wrong with that whatsoever. The problem is that in the elevators, people
were putting up signs that insulting people and bashing people and putting down the people
that are putting on inter zone. And I just find that rude when you're attending it and
you're there hanging out this, these people, these organizers put this conference together
so that we could hang out together, like-minded people and talk. And you are taking advantage
of it. However, you're going to put them down for it. I just found that very hypocritical.
And I didn't, I didn't really get involved in that whatsoever. And I know some people
and have some friends that were hanging out at the inter zone stuff and rooms, but I just
really didn't want to get involved. I have nothing to say bad about inter zone, nothing
bad to say about rocket. He took care of me. He was nice to me. He did everything that
I asked and then some. So I was glad to return the favor. I helped him out as much as I could.
Um, speaking, obviously, giving out some free swag, volunteering as much as I could help out
and pimping it and every, you know, as far as I'm concerned, we're cool. And I'm looking
forward to doing it again next time. So, uh, if the phone's going to ring here, it's probably
voodoo how, but if it's not, uh, it's time to close up anyway. And I'm going to go into
our closing points and lots of shouts. I've already given some of them out. Actually,
let me, let me do something. I'm going to steal a page from the old infonomicon and do
a site of the week. I don't know if I'll do this regularly, but this is a site I've been
meaning to mention on the show for a long time. It's welcome to the scene.com. And the
scene is this online show about, um, the wares and piracy, movie piracy scene, if you will.
It's a great show. Well done. Well put together, written and scripted ahead of time. It's new
media, new media on a new medium, people taking advantage of the internet and releasing shows
on the internet. I think that's fantastic. You go out of series that you're releasing
online, high quality video, interesting, unique, unique topic that's not been done before
in video. I think it's great. I've been meaning to mention it on the air several times, so better
late than ever, but big kudos to these guys. They're doing great, great stuff. And this
is what I would love to see. I wish people did this more often, make a series. The hacking
shows, the packet sniffers, Hack TV, all these shows, they're all so great. I like those as
well, but this is more like a scripted show. This is a drama, whereas the other stuff is
like, I don't know, for lack of a better term, reality, content-based reality TV, hacking
TV, which I like that as well. But this impresses me. I have nothing but respect to these guys.
Again, it's welcome to the scene, all one word, welcome to the scene.com. I fully support
and endorse projects like this. And if anybody involved with this is listening to the show,
if this is your, if you have some relationship to this and there's something that I can do,
contact me if you need anything at all. I would love to be involved, help out, even if it's
just pimping it once in a while on the show, releasing, announcing new episodes. By all
means, I would be glad to do that. I think it's awesome. As far as the shouts, and I guess
Voodoo House phone died, I'm suspecting. I'm going to go ahead and give out shouts, and
I'm sure he seconds me on all this. We met and co-introduced each other to people that
we knew. So my shouts this week, let me go here. Shouts to Ken and to Rocket Gin, two guys that I
met, hang out with, talked for quite a while with about some projects and just generally really good
guys. To Acidus, Decius, Rattle, Dr. Chaos, all these guys for great conversation. Just sitting around
talking to these guys intelligently and actually getting something out of it and feeling like
you're talking to someone on the same level that gets you on intelligent topics. It's not
something that you can get everywhere. It really is not, and I love always meeting up with those
guys. Shouts to the Atlanta crew, DC-404, the SE-2600. Those guys in Atlanta are awesome, all of
them, and Virgil included. Virgil from up there, again, for giving us a great idea. I mentioned
earlier that I'm going to try to get people involved with soon. Spoke with him about it. He gave us his
blessing. He might try to help out as much as his time will allow, so cool that he's willing to do
that, so shouts to Virgil. And most of all, to Rocket for putting on Interzone. I had a blast. Rocket,
thank you very much for having me, and hope to do it again next time, and Interzone West maybe. We'll
see how all that works out. So that's it for this week. If you have email or feedback, send it to
radio at BinRev.com. Actually, I hope you do for some of the questions we mentioned
earlier. Tonight's music is Hijack the Disco. It's a track called Groove Jet. So that is
going to do it for this week. So on behalf of Voodoo Howl, I have to tell everybody that
we will see him next week. Same hack time, same hack channel.
We'll see you next week.
We'll be right back.