WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:29.980 Get ready to go off the planet, get ready to go off the planet, get ready to go off the 00:29.980 --> 00:59.960 planet, get ready to go off the planet, get ready to go off the planet, get ready to 00:59.960 --> 01:17.800 go off the planet, get ready to go off the planet, get ready to go off the planet, get ready 01:17.800 --> 01:21.580 We're here, ready? 01:23.320 --> 01:27.800 We're here. 01:33.680 --> 01:34.640 We're here. 01:34.640 --> 01:38.860 Україna respecto. 01:38.860 --> 01:42.780 We're here. 01:42.780 --> 02:02.680 Hackers Unite 02:02.680 --> 02:08.620 Hackers Unite 02:12.780 --> 02:27.220 Get ready to hack the system 02:27.220 --> 02:30.880 Get ready to hack the planet 02:42.780 --> 02:46.800 Get ready to hack the planet 02:46.800 --> 02:48.280 Get ready 02:48.280 --> 02:50.700 Hackers Unite 02:50.700 --> 03:05.760 Hackers Unite 03:05.760 --> 03:35.740 We'll be right back. 03:35.760 --> 04:05.740 We'll be right back. 04:05.760 --> 04:35.740 We'll be right back. 04:35.760 --> 04:38.080 You see, G, it's all going to be free. 04:38.200 --> 04:40.440 Whether we take it by force or we take it nicely. 04:40.880 --> 04:42.380 You feel that rattling in your bones? 04:42.680 --> 04:46.740 When I tell you we just hacked out Jones and NASDAQ, leave you flat on your back. 04:46.940 --> 04:49.040 Because I am he who loves to hack and crack. 04:49.440 --> 04:51.800 Because I am he who loves to hack and crack. 04:51.800 --> 04:54.860 This is dedicated to the hackers and the criminals. 04:55.340 --> 04:59.960 Serial codes, source codes, ISOs, RANs, SIFs, SIFs. 05:00.140 --> 05:02.560 This is dedicated to the hackers and the crack. 05:03.060 --> 05:06.480 Hello, everyone, and welcome to Binary Revolution Radio. 05:06.760 --> 05:11.020 I am your host, StankDog, and I am your next American Idol. 05:11.180 --> 05:11.700 That's right. 05:12.680 --> 05:15.840 Today is March 22, 2005. 05:16.680 --> 05:18.560 This is episode 88. 05:19.420 --> 05:27.740 And joining me again this week to co-host the show and for me to officially thank him on the air 05:27.740 --> 05:30.900 would be none other than Doug the Engineer. 05:31.040 --> 05:33.300 Or just Doug, as we like to call him on this show. 05:33.300 --> 05:36.600 And joking aside, you did a good job then. 05:36.680 --> 05:37.600 I always said that. 05:37.700 --> 05:39.800 And you did a good job with BinRev. 05:40.160 --> 05:42.200 Even though you didn't tell anybody about the closing music 05:42.200 --> 05:44.680 and everybody's emailing wanting to know who closed episodes. 05:45.300 --> 05:46.980 Was it 83 and 84, right? 05:48.000 --> 05:48.880 I think so, yeah. 05:49.000 --> 05:51.020 Well, the first one was Trubman Bass. 05:51.080 --> 05:55.180 And the second one was one of Lucky's friends that did some rap song. 05:55.240 --> 05:55.920 I don't know who did that. 05:56.280 --> 05:56.720 Hmm. 05:57.620 --> 06:00.500 Well, we'll have to see if we can throw that up on the web somewhere 06:00.500 --> 06:03.780 and give people a link to it because a couple people did ask about it. 06:04.340 --> 06:10.120 Now, our opening tonight is a track that was mixed together for us by our good friend Epiphany. 06:10.320 --> 06:12.760 So, we thought we'd open the show with that. 06:12.900 --> 06:15.000 So, happy belated birthday to you, my friend. 06:15.760 --> 06:16.100 Cool, dude. 06:16.240 --> 06:16.840 Let's see. 06:16.940 --> 06:18.280 What else do we have in the housekeeping? 06:18.840 --> 06:21.940 Oh, I'm still working through some email problems. 06:22.020 --> 06:24.200 I think for the most part we've got them ironed out now. 06:24.420 --> 06:26.840 One or two people have reported to me they had problems. 06:27.180 --> 06:29.640 But we're watching closely. 06:29.640 --> 06:31.460 I haven't seen too many things bouncing. 06:31.760 --> 06:32.980 Everything seems to be okay. 06:33.680 --> 06:36.420 And I've got one more change to make to our name servers. 06:36.540 --> 06:41.200 Once that takes effect, then, as far as I know, we should have everything up and running. 06:41.420 --> 06:47.380 So, that's all I have for housekeeping, unless you had anything to announce. 06:47.540 --> 06:48.860 So, I'm good. 06:49.440 --> 06:50.100 Hi, everybody. 06:51.220 --> 06:54.280 Let's do the email theme music. 06:54.280 --> 07:22.160 This is a little game we had last week. 07:22.160 --> 07:27.120 You know, part of the running fun that we have on the show is trying to figure out how to pronounce people's handles. 07:28.360 --> 07:32.180 I think it's, well, it's Dr. Lizard. 07:32.960 --> 07:34.560 Yeah, Lizard Mon or Lizard Man. 07:34.800 --> 07:35.360 Yeah, Lizard Man. 07:35.580 --> 07:38.060 Yeah, and that's what his email here today is. 07:38.100 --> 07:40.420 He's confirming that it is, in fact, Lizard Man. 07:41.220 --> 07:44.460 But the first time I looked at it, I thought it said Laser Demon. 07:44.460 --> 07:49.160 I mean, it does look like Laser Demon, right? 07:49.260 --> 07:51.020 I think it could go for both. 07:51.420 --> 07:51.620 Right. 07:52.740 --> 07:53.380 And that's fun. 07:53.380 --> 07:55.020 See, that's fun, figuring out people's names. 07:55.140 --> 07:56.580 And this guy was very cool about it. 07:56.600 --> 07:57.340 And this is his email. 07:57.520 --> 08:01.040 It says, he says, it is Lizard Man, but I like Laser Demon. 08:01.180 --> 08:03.780 I am not offended by your comments and had a good laugh. 08:04.200 --> 08:06.240 I had thought that my handle sucked until now. 08:06.760 --> 08:08.740 It is funny what stuff you get on eBay. 08:08.740 --> 08:09.760 Oh, wait a minute. 08:09.940 --> 08:10.320 I'm sorry. 08:10.380 --> 08:11.240 We switched topics here. 08:11.560 --> 08:13.840 It is funny what stuff you get on eBay AdWords. 08:13.960 --> 08:18.660 For example, I did a search for Human Heart today and buy Human Hearts on eBay. 08:18.860 --> 08:20.900 New or used best prices came up. 08:21.660 --> 08:25.220 So then we talked about the Google AdWords program on a previous show. 08:25.380 --> 08:27.000 So they had two sentences there. 08:27.020 --> 08:29.380 I think I ran them together because I'm not good at reading. 08:30.560 --> 08:31.460 I'm from the South. 08:31.520 --> 08:32.140 What can I tell you? 08:33.940 --> 08:34.580 Very tough. 08:34.580 --> 08:37.420 Yeah, it's just, that is kind of a funny mistake. 08:37.420 --> 08:39.800 Because that name could go either way. 08:40.080 --> 08:42.500 We're going to go with Lizard Man because that's what he's telling us it is. 08:42.560 --> 08:44.000 So Lizard Man, thank you for the email. 08:44.180 --> 08:47.200 And thanks for understanding that it's just fun. 08:47.280 --> 08:51.220 We're not insulting anybody's names or just trying to figure out how to read. 08:51.540 --> 08:53.760 We're just trying to get hooked on phonics here. 08:53.900 --> 08:54.600 That's all we're doing. 08:55.000 --> 08:59.860 Seriously, I don't understand why so many people get angry and upset and don't grasp the concept. 08:59.960 --> 09:01.160 We're having fun on the show. 09:01.780 --> 09:03.540 Damn, fuck off if you don't like it. 09:04.600 --> 09:05.840 And I mean that, seriously. 09:05.840 --> 09:10.100 How much is the human heart going for on eBay, I wonder? 09:11.560 --> 09:12.160 I have no idea. 09:12.240 --> 09:13.620 I could go eBay that up for it. 09:13.700 --> 09:15.540 Yeah, I might have to go check that out after the show. 09:15.740 --> 09:16.400 I want a screenshot. 09:16.580 --> 09:17.340 That would be kind of funny. 09:17.420 --> 09:18.040 New or used? 09:19.480 --> 09:21.400 How are you going to buy a new heart? 09:22.100 --> 09:23.000 Aren't they all used? 09:24.140 --> 09:26.040 I guess they would all be new. 09:26.380 --> 09:27.140 Or I mean used. 09:27.400 --> 09:28.760 How do you get a new human heart? 09:28.900 --> 09:30.260 Unless it's like artificial or something. 09:31.520 --> 09:31.940 Oh, well. 09:31.940 --> 09:34.220 Anyway, next email. 09:34.820 --> 09:35.180 You know what? 09:35.500 --> 09:36.120 Let's do this. 09:36.200 --> 09:36.800 Why don't you read it? 09:36.860 --> 09:37.780 You read a couple of emails. 09:37.880 --> 09:38.920 Why don't you read this email tonight? 09:40.220 --> 09:40.740 All right. 09:41.460 --> 09:44.000 That's part of that show I hated doing, by the way, when you were gone. 09:46.580 --> 09:48.200 First email is from Evil1. 09:48.200 --> 09:53.120 Yo, Sting, I like the show, but not as much as RFA, but still a good show. 09:53.340 --> 09:54.620 Anywho, I got some questions. 09:55.740 --> 09:58.960 Number one, how do you know when you've moved on from being a noob? 09:59.400 --> 10:02.120 You know you're not a noob, yet you're no guru yet either. 10:02.240 --> 10:03.140 Is there a middle ground? 10:03.780 --> 10:05.780 Number two, or do you want to answer? 10:06.040 --> 10:06.880 I was going to say, should we answer? 10:06.880 --> 10:08.180 Let's answer the first question first. 10:08.340 --> 10:10.160 Yeah, should we answer or should we wait until we're all done? 10:10.500 --> 10:11.560 I guess let's do it. 10:11.980 --> 10:13.580 That'll make it easier on you reading it. 10:13.580 --> 10:14.060 How about that? 10:15.080 --> 10:15.340 Okay. 10:15.340 --> 10:25.020 Okay, so let's see, about, um, well, okay, first of all, first of all, should I say this? 10:25.100 --> 10:29.180 Okay, I don't understand why people have the need to point out that they like some other 10:29.180 --> 10:29.740 show better. 10:30.020 --> 10:30.980 I don't get that. 10:32.140 --> 10:33.400 What is the point? 10:33.500 --> 10:34.700 What is the productivity? 10:35.060 --> 10:35.820 What is the positive? 10:36.020 --> 10:38.120 What's the point of making that comment to me? 10:38.500 --> 10:40.180 You suck, but I got some questions. 10:41.580 --> 10:44.740 Maybe they think this is like a spin-off show from RFA, though. 10:45.340 --> 10:53.240 But it's a completely different, I was on RFA, and it's a different show, I don't know. 10:53.380 --> 10:55.900 The thing is, okay, I liked RFA. 10:56.020 --> 10:57.060 I was on it for a while. 10:57.140 --> 10:58.020 I loved RFA. 10:58.340 --> 10:59.300 I still love RFA. 10:59.380 --> 11:01.120 That's why we relaunched it with episode one. 11:02.040 --> 11:03.800 But that's not us. 11:03.840 --> 11:04.560 I mean, we're different. 11:05.260 --> 11:08.800 Saying it's better or worse, that's kind of, I don't know. 11:08.940 --> 11:10.740 It comes across a little bit rude. 11:10.740 --> 11:12.160 I get a lot of messages like this. 11:12.200 --> 11:15.960 This is why I've been having some issues lately with what the future of the show is, because 11:15.960 --> 11:18.900 I don't, oh, anyway, you know what? 11:18.960 --> 11:20.620 Let's, I'll go on to question number one. 11:21.400 --> 11:21.840 Let's see. 11:21.880 --> 11:23.860 How do you know when you've moved on from being a noob? 11:24.600 --> 11:29.780 I don't really think that's a term or even a definition or some kind of measurement. 11:30.100 --> 11:31.500 It's not a point of measurement. 11:31.640 --> 11:36.400 It's not like, oh, well, you start off as a noob, and then you're a, I don't know, whatever 11:36.400 --> 11:38.600 in between, and then you become elite at some point. 11:38.680 --> 11:39.500 No, it's not. 11:40.140 --> 11:41.520 Noob is a joke. 11:41.640 --> 11:44.860 You know, we call Lucky a noob all the time, and Lucky knows a lot of stuff. 11:45.640 --> 11:46.000 You know? 11:46.000 --> 11:46.760 You know, I don't know. 11:46.920 --> 11:50.480 I think the people of the TV show Pure Ownage would have to disagree with you. 11:50.540 --> 11:52.260 My new favorite internet TV show. 11:52.340 --> 11:53.900 Yeah, well, Pure, Pure Ownage. 11:54.120 --> 11:57.480 They actually pronounce it Pure Ownage, but it's, I always say pwned. 11:57.940 --> 11:58.280 Pwnage. 11:58.300 --> 11:59.440 I thought it was pwnaged, yeah. 11:59.560 --> 12:02.880 Yeah, I think they pronounced it on the show Pure Ownage, I think is what they say, but. 12:03.880 --> 12:07.400 They say Ownage, but I don't know, maybe gamers, you know, they say it differently, you 12:07.400 --> 12:07.520 know? 12:07.820 --> 12:08.140 Boom! 12:08.460 --> 12:08.780 Headshot! 12:10.680 --> 12:11.920 That dude carries the show. 12:11.920 --> 12:14.280 That dude's the, he's the coolest part of the show. 12:14.280 --> 12:21.240 So, if you haven't seen Pure Ownage, go to purepwnage.com, P-W-N-A-G-E.com, I think, 12:21.420 --> 12:23.220 and download the fifth episode. 12:24.420 --> 12:28.480 Yeah, it's, and that guy was in an earlier episode, too, I think, like three or something. 12:29.700 --> 12:30.940 Anyway, yeah, that show. 12:31.260 --> 12:34.300 I think the episode five is just well put together and just hilarious. 12:34.400 --> 12:35.480 I love comedy like that. 12:35.600 --> 12:38.240 Yeah, it is, it's a very, very funny show. 12:38.300 --> 12:39.160 It really is cool. 12:39.160 --> 12:46.500 Um, so, yeah, so, in gaming terms, I guess a noob is somebody who just doesn't know how 12:46.500 --> 12:46.860 to play. 12:46.980 --> 12:51.940 I mean, I guess there's a gaming definition, but as far as hacking goes, noob, you know, 12:51.980 --> 12:55.820 only time you ever say noob is as a joke to somebody, it is kind of an insult joke, but 12:55.820 --> 13:02.220 I don't think anybody ever calls, anybody who ever does label someone as a noob is a 13:02.220 --> 13:07.000 noob themselves, you know, it's one of those things where you can't label yourself or label 13:07.000 --> 13:09.880 other people, because who are you to do such a thing? 13:09.940 --> 13:15.960 Who are you to determine what is or what isn't leet, or what is or what isn't a noob, you 13:15.960 --> 13:16.180 know? 13:16.340 --> 13:20.460 Yeah, if I, if I ever said noob to people, I would tell them, you know, people that don't 13:20.460 --> 13:23.340 know me, they would think that I'm trying to offend them, but noob is not really, to 13:23.340 --> 13:24.700 me, an actual term, you know? 13:25.340 --> 13:29.260 Retard, idiot, stupid, you know, those are actual descriptions of people. 13:29.400 --> 13:31.160 Calling someone a noob is just a joke term. 13:31.160 --> 13:36.520 Right, yeah, I don't think that's a measurement term, I think that's the simplest way to put 13:36.520 --> 13:40.080 it, if somebody's a noob, I mean, everybody's a noob at something, if you want to talk about 13:40.080 --> 13:44.780 like, everybody's new to something, there's, somebody knows more than me about everything. 13:45.780 --> 13:46.180 Absolutely. 13:46.680 --> 13:50.000 Boy, that, boy, people are going to take that sound clip and replay it forever. 13:50.460 --> 13:54.240 There's always something out there, there's always someone out there that knows more about 13:54.240 --> 13:57.060 you than any, than, you know, than you do. 13:57.660 --> 13:58.580 Always going to happen. 13:58.580 --> 14:04.220 And so nobody's ever like uber elite that they know it all, and no one's ever like unskilled 14:04.220 --> 14:08.740 or like a true noob, like people seem to think this term means you don't know anything if 14:08.740 --> 14:09.200 you're a noob. 14:09.480 --> 14:10.760 I don't think that's the case at all. 14:10.840 --> 14:14.180 There's a lot of people I've met that are like, oh, I'm a noob, I don't know anything, 14:14.260 --> 14:14.860 I don't know anything. 14:14.940 --> 14:18.320 And a few minutes later, I'm 20 minutes into talking to them, and I'm learning that they 14:18.320 --> 14:20.600 do know a lot more than they give themselves credit for. 14:21.460 --> 14:26.020 So I wouldn't use noob as a term of measurement or eliteness or whatever you want to call 14:26.020 --> 14:26.580 it at all. 14:26.660 --> 14:28.900 I think it's just a joke term, at least when I use it. 14:29.480 --> 14:33.080 And if any, if someone does use it in a derogatory manner, guess what? 14:33.200 --> 14:36.180 Their opinion really shouldn't mean jack shit to you anyway. 14:36.180 --> 14:38.500 The elitists, screw them. 14:38.700 --> 14:39.560 Yeah, exactly. 14:40.920 --> 14:42.460 All right, so where were we? 14:42.460 --> 14:42.960 What else? 14:44.000 --> 14:46.400 All right, well, question number two from EvilOne. 14:46.860 --> 14:52.640 My site got, quote, hacked, that dumb fucking PHPB, yeah, PHPBS exploit. 14:52.800 --> 14:55.500 It was a hacker site, and the irony is killing me. 14:55.540 --> 14:56.280 Should I start over? 14:56.460 --> 14:59.560 I knew that the bug, but, or I knew about the bug, but I'm lazy, you know? 15:00.700 --> 15:01.700 Oh, yeah, I know. 15:01.700 --> 15:06.260 So everybody's got a little bit of lazy in them or lack of time. 15:06.340 --> 15:07.920 There's always excuses, but you know what? 15:07.960 --> 15:11.840 We're going to hold other people and real webmasters to them. 15:12.200 --> 15:16.820 Of course, they're getting paid for it usually, and we're not, but you've got to keep that 15:16.820 --> 15:17.380 stuff up. 15:18.600 --> 15:24.040 Yeah, it's a little bit ironic, but isn't that the same thing that took Covert call down, 15:24.100 --> 15:24.480 by the way? 15:25.640 --> 15:30.800 I really am not sure, because that whole entire site was hacked, and I don't even think they 15:30.800 --> 15:31.320 had forms. 15:32.500 --> 15:38.580 Oh, I'm positive they had forms on there, but I don't know exactly what this, I don't 15:38.580 --> 15:40.160 know what the exploit is. 15:40.240 --> 15:40.920 I don't use PHP. 15:40.940 --> 15:43.160 Well, it wasn't just, it wasn't just Covert call. 15:43.260 --> 15:46.520 It was a whole bunch of other spoofing sites that I got, Covert call and Camophone. 15:47.460 --> 15:52.220 Right, both of which, and see, I think I said on the show quite a few episodes back, those 15:52.220 --> 15:54.800 sites look like the same damn site, just with a different name. 15:54.800 --> 16:00.800 They use the same forums, they use the same site design and logos and graphics, and I 16:00.800 --> 16:02.520 mean, it's the same person running those... 16:02.520 --> 16:07.520 Well, they copy off each other, you know, they both, someone wanted to do the same thing 16:07.520 --> 16:10.840 with spoofing and make money off of it, just like how people do internet TV shows, they 16:10.840 --> 16:11.860 copy off each other. 16:11.860 --> 16:13.640 Right down to the music. 16:13.640 --> 16:14.280 The radio show. 16:14.500 --> 16:16.220 Right down to the music sometimes. 16:18.620 --> 16:21.660 Yeah, we'll leave that one, I'll back off of that one, we'll leave that one alone. 16:21.740 --> 16:27.000 And when people do radio shows, they copy off each other too, so that's how people do business, 16:27.080 --> 16:28.340 they just copy and steal ideas. 16:28.340 --> 16:30.840 Yeah, there's no new ideas left, I guess. 16:32.000 --> 16:32.360 Oh, well. 16:33.920 --> 16:38.620 Yeah, part of web mastering is that that's part of the deal, is you do have to update your 16:38.620 --> 16:41.820 software and watch, and no, you're not going to catch them all. 16:42.540 --> 16:45.020 Being a hacking site also makes you a target, also. 16:45.320 --> 16:47.340 I mean, I watch very carefully. 16:47.480 --> 16:51.200 I know there's someone dying to find something like that on us. 16:51.200 --> 16:57.260 I watch very carefully, and I try to keep up with things, but, you know, all I can say 16:57.260 --> 17:02.540 as far as advice is, make backups as much as you can, as often as you can, so that if 17:02.540 --> 17:07.560 you do get owned, you can restore from a backup, plug the hole that was, if you find out what 17:07.560 --> 17:12.040 the hole is, of course, you know, but you don't lose data, you might be down for a day 17:12.040 --> 17:16.420 or a couple days or a few hours or whatever the case is, but make backups as often as you 17:16.420 --> 17:18.900 can so that you can at least recover and get it back up and running. 17:18.900 --> 17:21.820 It happens to the best of sites, it happens to the best of people. 17:22.480 --> 17:25.600 It's some, yeah, I understand what you're saying, being lazy sometimes. 17:25.740 --> 17:27.080 Sometimes you just don't have time. 17:27.440 --> 17:28.960 Hey, you play the game, you take your chances. 17:29.040 --> 17:30.000 That's all there is to it. 17:31.040 --> 17:31.400 Yep. 17:34.320 --> 17:35.180 What else we have? 17:36.200 --> 17:40.240 All right, well, question number three is, I have like 10,000 songs on my hard drive. 17:40.520 --> 17:43.200 I don't share very many of them, but the point is I have them. 17:43.300 --> 17:44.460 Should I worry about the RIA? 17:45.020 --> 17:45.280 No. 17:45.280 --> 17:50.520 I mean, how do they catch you and reply to one of your last e-mails and question about 17:50.520 --> 17:51.660 independent jazz musicians? 17:51.880 --> 17:55.120 Check out www.acidplanet.com. 17:56.280 --> 17:59.240 All right, acidplanet.com, we'll check that out. 18:00.320 --> 18:01.920 No, don't worry about the RIA. 18:02.380 --> 18:03.360 Screw them, who cares? 18:03.480 --> 18:05.500 Downloading is not illegal, uploading is illegal. 18:05.780 --> 18:10.760 Right, and how is anybody going to know that those 10,000 songs you didn't legally rip from 18:10.760 --> 18:13.960 your CDs just because you have them on your hard drive? 18:14.040 --> 18:17.660 Now, yeah, once you start sharing them, then you're opening yourself up to potential, but 18:17.660 --> 18:18.180 you know what? 18:19.580 --> 18:25.280 Unless you're really pushing them out there and it's some luck involved, you know, that 18:25.280 --> 18:26.640 they happen to be looking out there. 18:26.700 --> 18:31.420 I mean, we've heard the stories of the 12-year-old girls and the 70-some-year-old grandmothers that 18:31.420 --> 18:34.120 it's happened to, but it's a little bit of luck involved. 18:34.120 --> 18:39.700 And they keep their clients on default to upload all that information, you know? 18:39.760 --> 18:43.360 They're probably leaving their programs open late at night and, you know, they're just 18:43.360 --> 18:43.900 being uploaded. 18:44.040 --> 18:46.420 The ISP is detecting that uploading traffic, you know? 18:46.940 --> 18:51.740 Yeah, I really don't think, in general, most ISPs don't care because they know that's what 18:51.740 --> 18:54.560 customers want and they turn a blind eye to it. 18:54.600 --> 18:59.560 Now, none of them would ever admit that publicly because it would really get them in trouble with 18:59.560 --> 19:00.180 the RAA. 19:00.180 --> 19:05.180 They'd really crack down on them and the government, but truthfully, they don't care. 19:05.280 --> 19:09.420 I mean, if you ever listen to commercials on the radio or TV, they're always talking about 19:09.420 --> 19:12.820 your music downloads and movies and all the great stuff you can find. 19:13.020 --> 19:18.180 They won't come out and say how or that, you know, copyright comes into play. 19:18.760 --> 19:19.900 They want people. 19:19.980 --> 19:25.260 They know that's a selling point and they'll turn a blind eye to it unless it's like everything 19:25.260 --> 19:25.540 else. 19:25.540 --> 19:32.140 If the RIAA steps in and says, hey, you need to put a stop to it, then they'll force their 19:32.140 --> 19:35.920 hand because they're going to throw you under the bus before they go under themselves. 19:36.560 --> 19:38.780 And let's be honest, who's not going to do that? 19:39.960 --> 19:43.400 Yeah, I mean, you're not going to get in trouble for downloading, you know, crappy quality 19:43.400 --> 19:46.060 MP3s of music, you know? 19:46.240 --> 19:48.480 Yeah, I doubt that'll ever... 19:48.480 --> 19:49.980 I don't think you have anything to worry about. 19:49.980 --> 19:50.880 That's the short answer. 19:52.640 --> 19:53.160 All right. 19:53.840 --> 19:58.780 Number four from Evil One is, at the beginning of the show, there's a rap song singing about 19:58.780 --> 19:59.800 firewalls and shit. 20:00.140 --> 20:00.720 Who's the artist? 20:00.800 --> 20:01.640 I want to download them. 20:01.860 --> 20:02.380 I don't know. 20:02.400 --> 20:04.100 And one more... 20:04.100 --> 20:04.960 I don't know who that is. 20:04.980 --> 20:05.320 I forget. 20:05.440 --> 20:05.820 Who is that? 20:07.260 --> 20:08.040 I think... 20:08.040 --> 20:08.460 I don't know. 20:08.800 --> 20:09.140 Epiphany? 20:09.940 --> 20:10.740 Yeah, today... 20:10.740 --> 20:12.260 Actually, that's a good answer. 20:12.420 --> 20:12.740 Touche. 20:13.240 --> 20:14.140 Today it was Epiphany. 20:14.260 --> 20:16.600 But no, our normal theme song is from Zerl, of course. 20:16.680 --> 20:17.260 I didn't forget. 20:17.360 --> 20:18.180 Zerl's my dog. 20:18.180 --> 20:21.380 Z-E-A-R-L-E dot com. 20:21.460 --> 20:23.100 It's on the frequently asked questions. 20:23.200 --> 20:26.160 The number one most frequently asked question that we get. 20:26.420 --> 20:28.780 And the answer is Zerl. 20:32.700 --> 20:34.540 So, Evil One... 20:34.540 --> 20:35.300 Oh, I think... 20:35.300 --> 20:36.060 Did I cut you off? 20:36.080 --> 20:36.440 Is there more? 20:37.620 --> 20:38.780 Yeah, one more thing. 20:39.000 --> 20:41.140 If you air this, my handle is Evil One. 20:41.640 --> 20:45.560 Tell Rack, Sabrelink, Logic, and the rest of the Phoenix 2600 I said what's up. 20:46.180 --> 20:47.260 And I think you pretty much just did. 20:47.260 --> 20:47.860 Yeah, I think... 20:47.860 --> 20:49.560 Yeah, I think that just happened. 20:49.960 --> 20:51.740 Shouts to the Phoenix 2600 crew. 20:52.860 --> 20:53.920 Or DEFCON group. 20:53.980 --> 20:55.160 Or whatever they call themselves now. 20:55.240 --> 20:55.640 They all... 20:55.640 --> 20:58.160 See, that group of people, they go by whatever. 20:58.260 --> 21:00.780 They don't really care too much about the name, which I think is kind of cool. 21:01.980 --> 21:06.500 They all kind of join together and have a site for all the different ones. 21:06.680 --> 21:09.040 It's all the same group of people, though, at the same places. 21:09.240 --> 21:10.000 So, whatever. 21:10.000 --> 21:10.940 I think it was kind of cool. 21:12.580 --> 21:13.100 All right. 21:13.160 --> 21:13.500 Let's see. 21:13.560 --> 21:16.060 Next email is from White Fly. 21:17.980 --> 21:18.900 Man, what is... 21:18.900 --> 21:19.560 You know, here's... 21:19.560 --> 21:19.700 Okay. 21:19.900 --> 21:22.380 The guy last week, by the way, about the cool handle. 21:23.140 --> 21:24.360 Apparently, all you got to do... 21:24.360 --> 21:26.080 And I actually like the White Fly as a handle. 21:26.120 --> 21:26.840 Don't get me wrong. 21:27.280 --> 21:30.100 But all you got to do is take an animal and put the word white in front of it. 21:30.780 --> 21:31.780 And that pretty much works. 21:31.840 --> 21:32.920 Just avoid birds. 21:33.040 --> 21:34.700 Avoid anything with a bird in the name of it. 21:34.700 --> 21:35.280 And you'll be safe. 21:36.080 --> 21:38.820 We've had bad luck with white birds. 21:38.900 --> 21:39.600 But we won't go there. 21:40.140 --> 21:40.960 I guess I already went there. 21:41.000 --> 21:41.420 It's too late. 21:42.960 --> 21:44.580 Anyway, White Fly says, 21:44.640 --> 21:44.840 Hello? 21:45.940 --> 21:52.840 I wanted to remark on your trepidations concerning Yahoo's practice of blocking Google spiders from searching their pages. 21:53.020 --> 21:53.400 Great. 21:53.520 --> 21:53.920 Here we go. 21:54.400 --> 22:00.120 While this would initially seem like a distressing precedent, I do not believe we need to be too worried. 22:00.120 --> 22:05.360 After hearing your comments, I remembered that some search engines actually compile results from several others. 22:05.760 --> 22:13.600 So I quickly surfed over to dogpile.com and searched for GeoCities plus hacking and received numerous results from GeoCities webpages. 22:14.200 --> 22:19.880 Interestingly enough, Dogpile reported that approximately half of these returned GeoCities sites were found using Google. 22:20.580 --> 22:23.540 Thus, even if competing search engines block each other's spiders, 22:23.540 --> 22:29.160 it seems that we will always have a way to search all the prominent search engines from a single portal. 22:30.120 --> 22:32.220 On another note, I just got paid today. 22:32.300 --> 22:37.260 We'll be ordering the mags soon, right after I treat myself to a new hoodie from Rant Radio. 22:38.060 --> 22:39.360 Doug can give you props on this. 22:39.400 --> 22:42.020 Sean Kennedy is the fucking man. 22:42.460 --> 22:44.160 And Sim is pretty leet as well. 22:44.340 --> 22:45.320 Late white. 22:45.920 --> 22:49.300 P.S. I want to give mad props to everyone involved in the BinRev forums. 22:49.500 --> 22:51.600 I have been frequenting them a lot lately. 22:51.860 --> 22:58.060 And I'm just uber impressed with how well everyone and sometimes our dumb questions are treated. 22:58.060 --> 23:02.340 And it's just made up of a bunch of freaking cool individuals. 23:04.020 --> 23:06.220 And like I said, Doug, I'm sure you can back me up here. 23:06.340 --> 23:07.480 Sim is the man. 23:07.600 --> 23:08.800 Sim's always been cool with me. 23:09.600 --> 23:10.260 Most definitely. 23:10.680 --> 23:11.720 He's always been cool with me. 23:11.780 --> 23:14.660 And you met and hung out with these guys a bit at DEFCON, if I remember correctly. 23:14.660 --> 23:15.500 I wasn't able to make it. 23:15.540 --> 23:16.980 But didn't you meet all these guys? 23:17.980 --> 23:22.680 No, I saw Sean Kennedy, but I never talked to him. 23:22.800 --> 23:23.900 And I saw Sumerian. 23:24.180 --> 23:25.500 Knot Theory actually spoke to Sumerian. 23:25.540 --> 23:28.260 I never got a chance to because I was in a different area. 23:29.140 --> 23:32.280 But Knot Theory spoke to Sumerian and so did Slip Mode. 23:33.140 --> 23:33.720 Oh, Slip did. 23:33.780 --> 23:34.140 Oh, cool. 23:34.900 --> 23:39.480 And Sumerian said, yeah, your guys' show is with BinRev and Default Radio. 23:39.640 --> 23:42.620 You know, it has the good hacking content for Rant Radio that they need. 23:42.620 --> 23:48.580 Well, I don't know about all that, but, yeah, Sim has always been very cool to me. 23:48.760 --> 23:51.080 So, Sumerian, you're all right in my book. 23:52.060 --> 23:53.760 Now, in the forums, yeah, I agree. 23:53.920 --> 23:56.560 I like most of the people in the forums. 23:56.700 --> 24:04.820 99.9% of the people in the forums are just really awesome people that are very helpful for the most part. 24:04.820 --> 24:08.100 I've watched and witnessed people change, mostly for the better. 24:08.840 --> 24:10.960 So, I think it's very accommodating. 24:10.960 --> 24:15.800 It's a very friendly and approachable place to teach people, to learn, to ask questions, and all that kind of stuff. 24:16.340 --> 24:20.140 So, yeah, the vast majority of people in our forums I'm very proud of. 24:20.200 --> 24:21.020 They're very good people. 24:21.760 --> 24:25.900 And the other .0001%, we just promote them to moderators. 24:25.940 --> 24:26.300 Right, Doug? 24:27.500 --> 24:27.900 Yep. 24:28.200 --> 24:28.340 Yeah. 24:29.140 --> 24:31.960 So, now watch. 24:32.080 --> 24:36.980 Now the actual hate mail I get next week will be from the moderators, not from the listeners. 24:37.840 --> 24:38.240 Great. 24:38.240 --> 24:40.460 They got the moderators, you know, arguing. 24:40.800 --> 24:42.380 They'll all go on strike or something. 24:44.300 --> 24:48.800 Just let people know that go on the forums, being a moderator isn't all that great. 24:48.860 --> 24:51.380 You don't get any, like, special access or anything. 24:52.020 --> 24:52.520 Yeah, you do. 24:52.560 --> 24:53.520 You have a moderator's forum. 24:55.160 --> 24:58.360 Yeah, the DDP members seem to talk, and you guys have your own forum. 24:58.360 --> 25:03.100 I'm trying, I'm posting some stuff out there for you all, man. 25:03.120 --> 25:05.140 I'm giving you all some good stuff. 25:05.360 --> 25:06.120 I will be, anyway. 25:06.140 --> 25:07.020 I got some stuff planned. 25:08.420 --> 25:08.740 Anyway. 25:09.700 --> 25:10.560 What do you want, a medal? 25:10.720 --> 25:11.780 This isn't the fucking Olympics? 25:11.780 --> 25:16.100 No, our mod forums is for us mods that do all the work while you DDP people just sit down 25:16.100 --> 25:19.480 on your ass and watch us do all the work. 25:19.580 --> 25:20.840 Hey, better you than me, man. 25:20.860 --> 25:21.980 I've been hated on enough. 25:23.040 --> 25:23.760 I need a break. 25:23.760 --> 25:26.260 I actually haven't done anything, like, once yet. 25:26.360 --> 25:27.380 Everyone seems to be all right. 25:27.440 --> 25:28.600 I haven't seen any problems lately. 25:28.860 --> 25:29.700 Yeah, actually, they've been good. 25:29.700 --> 25:31.200 If anything strong catches it before me, so. 25:31.340 --> 25:33.240 Yeah, they've been pretty good lately, actually. 25:33.400 --> 25:40.420 We haven't, we had one little incident with a captain, and we got that taken care of, and 25:40.420 --> 25:43.700 since then, it's been, everybody's been flowing pretty smoothly. 25:43.700 --> 25:47.280 So, let's see. 25:47.380 --> 25:47.820 Knock on wood. 25:48.360 --> 25:48.780 I'm sorry? 25:49.920 --> 25:50.560 Knock on wood. 25:50.800 --> 25:51.460 Yeah, yeah. 25:51.500 --> 25:53.900 As soon as they said that, it's going to come back to haunt me. 25:54.560 --> 26:02.700 As far as the Google and the Yahoo thing, actually, I got another email here from Tommy, who mentioned 26:02.700 --> 26:06.060 some other things that we've already beaten to death, so I'm going to skip over it. 26:06.060 --> 26:09.640 I'm going to start cutting some of these emails down a little bit and not repeating a lot of 26:09.640 --> 26:13.640 things, because I know some people have said to me that we probably dwell on things too 26:13.640 --> 26:17.460 much, so I'm going to move on, but I do want to mention this and clarify it. 26:17.500 --> 26:24.980 Tommy says, let's see, he goes on to say, also, two to three years ago, it was common 26:24.980 --> 26:29.200 knowledge that not all search engines had 100% of the web covered. 26:29.820 --> 26:30.540 How can they? 26:30.600 --> 26:31.280 It's so big. 26:31.680 --> 26:35.100 I can understand what you were saying about attracting the most people by having the most 26:35.100 --> 26:36.180 pages indexed. 26:36.520 --> 26:41.460 However, GeoCity's main goal is getting hits for ads, so that doesn't make sense for me. 26:41.460 --> 26:43.340 All right. 26:43.400 --> 26:48.120 Now, I just took that one part out of his email, like I said, but I want to talk about 26:48.120 --> 26:52.840 this again, because I think some people were confused or jumped to some conclusions, so 26:52.840 --> 26:54.840 I just want to clarify this. 26:54.940 --> 26:58.460 Exactly what I'm saying is a scary possibility. 26:59.840 --> 27:05.780 Yeah, it's silly to think that any site's going to cover 100% of the web, 100% of the pages 27:05.780 --> 27:06.140 out there. 27:06.220 --> 27:07.000 It's impossible. 27:07.000 --> 27:10.480 It's logically impossible, realistically impossible. 27:10.680 --> 27:12.400 It's just impossible. 27:12.580 --> 27:13.060 It's ridiculous. 27:14.080 --> 27:18.880 So, I don't think anybody's ever said that or made that point or insinuated such a thing. 27:19.340 --> 27:20.360 I think it's the goal. 27:20.940 --> 27:25.260 I think your goal is to come as close to 100% as possible from a business standpoint, a marketing 27:25.260 --> 27:31.240 standpoint, to be able to say that you've got the most of the web covered or you've got 27:31.240 --> 27:37.140 the highest percentage or the largest number of pages, that's absolutely what you want 27:37.140 --> 27:37.340 to do. 27:37.420 --> 27:39.100 That is your goal to become 100%. 27:39.100 --> 27:39.980 Are you ever going to get there? 27:40.040 --> 27:40.280 No. 27:40.740 --> 27:44.180 But that is definitely what you shoot for, and I think Google has never made any secret 27:44.180 --> 27:44.640 about that. 27:44.700 --> 27:46.020 That is what they've done. 27:46.440 --> 27:49.740 That's why they brag about how many pages that they have in their database. 27:49.940 --> 27:55.000 That's why they took off and became the success they are, because people know that Google 27:55.000 --> 27:58.560 is the one place you can go to find everything or damn near everything. 27:58.560 --> 28:00.140 I know that for a fact. 28:00.280 --> 28:02.880 I mean, that's absolutely their marketing strategy from day one. 28:03.900 --> 28:07.360 The more pages that they crawl, the more reliable they become. 28:08.100 --> 28:09.500 I mean, that makes logical sense, right? 28:09.620 --> 28:09.880 You understand? 28:10.020 --> 28:10.560 That makes... 28:11.320 --> 28:12.800 Well, it makes logical sense. 28:12.860 --> 28:13.680 I don't know how else to say it. 28:13.700 --> 28:14.680 That you can follow. 28:14.800 --> 28:19.040 Do you think Yahoo somewhat censors or hides anything on purpose? 28:22.180 --> 28:23.620 Yes and no. 28:23.620 --> 28:31.020 I think they all hide some things on purpose, especially now with Google hacking taken off 28:31.020 --> 28:32.020 as much as it has. 28:32.740 --> 28:35.520 You can definitely see the... 28:35.520 --> 28:41.180 If you go looking for certain topics, and I'm not going to touch that line. 28:41.260 --> 28:44.320 I'm not going to cross that line to say what they are, but there are certain topics that 28:44.320 --> 28:49.000 if you go Googling for, you will not find many, if any, hits at all. 28:49.000 --> 28:53.460 There are certain things that are, well, I think people know what I'm saying. 28:53.540 --> 28:56.920 There are certain things that are downright illegal in the United States of America, no 28:56.920 --> 28:58.560 in any way, shape, or form. 28:59.560 --> 28:59.960 Yeah. 29:00.240 --> 29:00.580 Okay? 29:00.680 --> 29:03.300 Especially if you go searching through Google Images, for example. 29:04.020 --> 29:07.400 So I know for a fact that they do filter some things out. 29:08.440 --> 29:10.400 So do I think that they're... 29:11.320 --> 29:14.500 And this is, I think, where the misunderstanding was of what I said before. 29:14.500 --> 29:20.800 Do I think that they're filtering anything out for competition reasons or to eliminate 29:20.800 --> 29:25.560 or prevent, to somehow give them an edge over the other businesses? 29:25.760 --> 29:27.740 Well, I'm saying maybe. 29:28.300 --> 29:29.120 I'm saying maybe. 29:29.280 --> 29:36.540 And that's really what I'm trying to talk about here is, let's say, okay, we agree that 29:36.540 --> 29:41.220 the more pages they have, the more reliable they are, and that's what people want. 29:41.220 --> 29:44.960 A one spot where they can get everything, where they can always go to and search. 29:45.140 --> 29:48.560 They don't want to have to say, okay, well, Google didn't have it, let me go try Yahoo search. 29:48.640 --> 29:50.480 Oh, Yahoo doesn't have it, let me go try MSN. 29:50.560 --> 29:54.220 MSN doesn't have it, let me go try blah, blah, and jump around trying to find what they want. 29:54.460 --> 29:59.440 If you can have that one page that has everything, then you are going to draw the customers, 29:59.580 --> 30:00.600 the people, to you. 30:00.760 --> 30:01.160 Period. 30:02.160 --> 30:05.220 So forget any conspiracy theory and stuff like that. 30:05.220 --> 30:12.880 Now, let's say, what if some sites, any site at all, okay, and the example I was using 30:12.880 --> 30:14.340 was Yahoo, and I'm going to stick with that. 30:14.860 --> 30:20.000 Let's say any site, including Yahoo, was to begin blocking the Google bot from crawling 30:20.000 --> 30:20.640 their pages. 30:21.320 --> 30:23.440 Now, I'm not saying that they have. 30:23.480 --> 30:26.080 I think we've established that they're not exactly doing that. 30:26.120 --> 30:27.520 They're blocking out the blurbs. 30:27.600 --> 30:29.260 They may be stifling it. 30:29.260 --> 30:32.880 They may not be doing it the smartest way to get their results higher on Google. 30:32.880 --> 30:35.020 I don't know what the intent is. 30:35.100 --> 30:35.660 Is it accidental? 30:35.900 --> 30:37.300 Is it a stupid move on their part? 30:38.060 --> 30:43.860 I'm just saying it's a potentially dangerous and scary move, and let me explain why. 30:44.800 --> 30:48.080 If Google, let's go with that example. 30:48.180 --> 30:52.540 Let's say Yahoo is intentionally blocking the Google bot from crawling their pages. 30:52.660 --> 30:53.420 Just go with that. 30:53.920 --> 31:01.040 If Google doesn't get those pages and their results, you have, okay, Yahoo owns GeoCities. 31:01.040 --> 31:03.800 GeoCities is a part of Yahoo. 31:03.880 --> 31:06.700 They bought it, and there's a lot of GeoCities pages out there. 31:07.400 --> 31:13.140 You have to think like an evil business person here and think, and this is one of my big 31:13.140 --> 31:16.960 problems with Sony, where they tried everything proprietary, and I'm not going to get into 31:16.960 --> 31:21.100 a Sony rant, but you've got to think like that evil business person, the board of directors 31:21.100 --> 31:21.640 thing. 31:22.260 --> 31:25.580 You think to yourself, we've got GeoCities with all of those pages. 31:25.580 --> 31:30.720 Sure, we can let Google have them and generate hits over to us to get the advertising. 31:31.460 --> 31:36.400 Well, that's great for GeoCities, the one tiny subdivision of Yahoo, but you know what's 31:36.400 --> 31:37.200 bigger for Yahoo? 31:37.740 --> 31:39.800 Yahoo, the search engine, the portal. 31:40.960 --> 31:46.280 If you eliminate Google from being able to pick up all of your GeoCities pages, people 31:46.280 --> 31:50.320 are going to have to come to the Yahoo search engine to find those results. 31:50.320 --> 31:56.580 So you're forcing people, yes, you may not get the hits from Google, but you may be forcing 31:56.580 --> 32:02.720 people to come to Yahoo's main site, and therefore see the Yahoo advertising, increase the overall 32:02.720 --> 32:07.260 hit count for Yahoo sites, because people aren't finding their results on Google. 32:07.520 --> 32:09.400 Now again, I'm not saying that they're doing that. 32:09.460 --> 32:12.140 I think we've talked to that and beaten that to death, and we're not going to go into it. 32:12.160 --> 32:15.640 It doesn't look like they're doing that now, but I wouldn't be surprised if they don't 32:15.640 --> 32:16.060 start. 32:16.060 --> 32:22.020 And let me give you another example, for example, and it's not necessarily Yahoo, I'm not singling 32:22.020 --> 32:25.180 them out or saying that they're somehow evil or that they're blocking their sites again. 32:26.120 --> 32:27.000 Anybody could do it. 32:27.060 --> 32:30.260 Let's say, let's use MSN for an example. 32:30.420 --> 32:36.680 Let's say that Microsoft Support, I mean, let's be honest, a lot of people, you have to 32:36.680 --> 32:40.240 look up things on Microsoft Support, support.microsoft.com. 32:40.640 --> 32:45.000 What if Microsoft Support pages started excluding Googlebot? 32:45.000 --> 32:46.760 What if they started blocking it? 32:47.980 --> 32:52.040 Now, GeoCities, you could say, yeah, who wants to see a GeoCities page anyway? 32:52.140 --> 32:53.320 I mean, it's GeoCities, right? 32:53.540 --> 32:58.280 What, I need a bunch of dancing animated gif gnomes singing around in stupid GeoCities 32:58.280 --> 32:59.160 pages like that? 32:59.960 --> 33:05.420 But what if something a little bit more popular, like Microsoft's support section, what if they 33:05.420 --> 33:06.740 were not picked up by Google? 33:06.880 --> 33:10.200 What if they blocked the Googlebot from picking them up in the Google search engine? 33:10.200 --> 33:14.220 People need and are going to have to go to Microsoft Support. 33:15.100 --> 33:15.720 It's a fact. 33:15.800 --> 33:16.240 It's a nature. 33:16.360 --> 33:17.740 We know they own the desktop market. 33:17.840 --> 33:20.980 We know they are huge in the server market. 33:21.060 --> 33:22.420 We know how many people have it. 33:22.460 --> 33:24.380 That's a well-established, the market penetration. 33:25.140 --> 33:27.080 There are people that have to go to that site. 33:27.440 --> 33:27.980 And guess what? 33:27.980 --> 33:32.640 If they block Yahoo from getting them, and they block Google from getting them, where 33:32.640 --> 33:35.660 are you going to go to find the results that you need? 33:35.720 --> 33:38.140 You're going to go to a Microsoft search product. 33:38.240 --> 33:40.800 You're going to go to the new search.msn.com. 33:41.920 --> 33:42.160 Yeah. 33:42.620 --> 33:45.800 So, yes, you know, is that explained it better? 33:45.900 --> 33:49.560 It's not so much that, sure, you're not going to get hits from Google anymore, but if you 33:49.560 --> 33:54.480 have a site powerful enough, and GeoCities, no, I don't think GeoCities is, the Microsoft 33:54.480 --> 33:56.740 support site, I think that's a scary possibility. 33:56.740 --> 34:00.600 And, again, I'm not saying they're doing it, so don't email me with that. 34:00.700 --> 34:02.500 People misunderstood that completely. 34:03.060 --> 34:03.880 But what if they did? 34:03.940 --> 34:07.760 What if Microsoft said we could only get those results on the Microsoft search engine? 34:08.140 --> 34:11.920 You'd be foolish to say that people aren't going to start using the Microsoft search 34:11.920 --> 34:13.420 engine to find that stuff. 34:13.740 --> 34:15.820 And you know how comfortable people get. 34:15.960 --> 34:18.960 They'll find it, they'll bookmark it, and they'll just start using Microsoft search 34:18.960 --> 34:19.840 engine in general. 34:20.760 --> 34:24.960 And the Microsoft ads that they sell, Overture and all that kind of stuff, all those ads 34:24.960 --> 34:25.700 are going to draw people. 34:25.700 --> 34:28.940 And you're going to steal links away from Google or any other site. 34:29.360 --> 34:32.160 So that's the potential scary part that I'm talking about. 34:32.260 --> 34:38.840 That was the only point I ever made in this, was that the engine that gets the closest to 34:38.840 --> 34:44.360 100% and becoming the most comprehensive source for searching, that's the one that will win. 34:45.160 --> 34:46.380 That's absolutely it. 34:46.380 --> 34:52.020 And that's terrible that the possibility exists that they're going to start fragmenting the 34:52.020 --> 34:52.280 data. 34:52.940 --> 34:58.340 And I even wrote this in my, to pimp my article, my Robots and Spiders article for 2600 magazine 34:58.340 --> 34:59.060 a while back. 34:59.320 --> 35:03.540 I predicted in that article, I said someday the search engine wars are going to get so 35:03.540 --> 35:08.280 competitive that the robots.txt exclusion is optional. 35:09.200 --> 35:11.580 There's nothing that forces anybody to honor that. 35:11.800 --> 35:16.180 You're putting it out there and they automate it to be respectful as part of the standard, 35:16.280 --> 35:17.340 its optional standard. 35:17.780 --> 35:22.300 It's going to become so competitive at one point that if somebody does try these tactics, 35:22.940 --> 35:25.280 one of them is finally going to break down and say, you know what? 35:25.280 --> 35:27.560 I'm ignoring your robots.txt file. 35:28.120 --> 35:30.380 There's going to be a search engine war. 35:30.860 --> 35:35.060 I swear to you, I know that sounds like some weird sci-fi thing, a search engine war. 35:35.480 --> 35:36.220 Dun, dun, dun. 35:36.600 --> 35:40.940 There will be a search engine war sometime soon, in the next year, next two years. 35:40.940 --> 35:41.960 That's a good movie right there. 35:42.160 --> 35:45.400 Yeah, we should make that documentary, the search engine wars. 35:46.580 --> 35:50.840 It's like the old, what's the old saying, the old thing about the one who dies with the 35:50.840 --> 35:51.760 most toys wins? 35:52.600 --> 35:54.860 It's exactly what it is in the search engine market. 35:54.860 --> 35:57.660 The one with the most results wins. 35:58.620 --> 35:59.580 That's the bottom line. 36:00.320 --> 36:07.040 And if it starts getting fragmented, now the person earlier, who was at Whitefly? 36:07.780 --> 36:10.800 Whitefly, who mentioned that there are other sites like Dogpile. 36:11.100 --> 36:13.500 I still like Clusty, the clustering search engine. 36:14.140 --> 36:18.540 There are other sites out there that search all of the search engines, ironically, 36:19.260 --> 36:23.260 and gather the results together, but they're going to start blocking them out. 36:23.260 --> 36:28.560 There's technical ways to eliminate people from doing that, so it's going to get really 36:28.560 --> 36:29.020 messy. 36:29.640 --> 36:33.540 I don't know who's going to take the first shot, but the first person that says, you know 36:33.540 --> 36:37.940 what, we're not honoring the robots.txt anymore, as soon as the first one falls, watch them 36:37.940 --> 36:38.900 go like dominoes. 36:39.380 --> 36:39.900 Watch it. 36:39.900 --> 36:45.360 I hope that clarified. 36:45.360 --> 36:47.180 I hope that clarified for everybody. 36:47.320 --> 36:50.100 I'm not saying that Yahoo is doing it. 36:50.140 --> 36:52.940 I'm not saying that MSN is doing it, or any of them yet. 36:52.940 --> 36:59.940 I'm just saying that if they do, and when they do, it's going to be a bad thing for the 36:59.940 --> 37:00.520 interweb. 37:00.700 --> 37:01.400 That's all I'm saying. 37:02.740 --> 37:04.460 All right, let me catch my breath for a minute. 37:04.520 --> 37:05.680 Can you do another email for me? 37:06.720 --> 37:08.160 The war is going to start. 37:09.220 --> 37:11.420 We need some, like, gunfire in the background. 37:11.600 --> 37:13.920 We need, like, something out of Terminator movie or something. 37:14.880 --> 37:15.940 Yahoo versus MSN. 37:15.940 --> 37:21.220 All right, email from Nugget. 37:21.860 --> 37:26.540 Okay, I was listening to episode 25 and heard that someone wanted to do some BinRev. 37:27.820 --> 37:29.440 When I said 25, I meant 85. 37:30.120 --> 37:34.560 I was listening to episode 85 and heard that someone wanted to do or buy some BinRev swog, 37:35.320 --> 37:41.860 and I don't know if anyone else knows, but most likely do, but most, www.cafexpress.com, 37:41.860 --> 37:47.660 and it takes part out of whatever item for you and can make a profit, small, large, in 37:47.660 --> 37:48.080 between. 37:48.880 --> 37:52.620 So people like myself and other listeners could get some sweet BinRev stuff. 37:52.880 --> 37:53.320 Sweet. 37:53.500 --> 37:59.780 Have some people make some cool graphics to plaster on them, like the revolution is coming, 38:00.140 --> 38:01.960 which side are you on, forgive my spelling. 38:02.440 --> 38:03.440 Okay, that wasn't me. 38:03.440 --> 38:10.280 I still get great grades in school, and I will love, and I will be going to college this fall, 38:10.500 --> 38:13.920 major in CS, hope to learn lots at University of Toledo. 38:14.620 --> 38:17.320 Anyway, anyone who comes there, contact me. 38:19.200 --> 38:23.400 All right, well, CS major, very cool, University of Toledo. 38:23.580 --> 38:29.220 I don't know much about University of Toledo, but I've said before, college is, you're going 38:29.220 --> 38:30.980 to learn a lot of cool stuff no matter what. 38:30.980 --> 38:35.100 You're going to learn fundamental things, and from there, if you're a hacker, you've 38:35.100 --> 38:37.860 got that hacker mindset, you're going to take it to the next level anyway. 38:38.340 --> 38:41.100 Just get those fundamentals, so that's very cool to hear that. 38:41.980 --> 38:46.780 And if anybody does go there and wants to contact Nugget here, you can email it to us, 38:46.800 --> 38:50.720 and we will pass it on and maybe get you guys in touch, guys and gals. 38:53.560 --> 38:55.140 And let's see, Cafe Press. 38:55.260 --> 38:57.700 Do you have any, do you know anything about Cafe Press? 38:58.960 --> 38:59.800 I've read a little. 38:59.800 --> 39:03.240 Back when Default was the number one radio show on the internet. 39:04.400 --> 39:05.140 The interweb? 39:05.140 --> 39:07.060 We were trying to, what? 39:07.320 --> 39:08.700 The global interweb, you mean? 39:09.600 --> 39:12.560 Yeah, the number one rated hit show on the global interweb. 39:13.060 --> 39:17.220 We were looking for places to make default t-shirts, default rated t-shirts. 39:17.400 --> 39:22.480 And I know that Cafe Press was like the worst one because they were expensive and they 39:22.480 --> 39:23.720 didn't have black t-shirts. 39:24.180 --> 39:25.600 They only had white t-shirts. 39:25.900 --> 39:26.180 Really? 39:26.180 --> 39:26.900 I didn't know. 39:27.080 --> 39:28.240 They only have, they don't have black? 39:29.480 --> 39:35.220 As far as, when we were there back in 2004, early 2004, I remember that they only had 39:35.220 --> 39:35.800 white t-shirts. 39:36.460 --> 39:36.780 Wow. 39:37.020 --> 39:37.660 That sucks. 39:39.140 --> 39:39.820 Yeah, I just. 39:39.820 --> 39:40.620 Maybe they do now, I don't know. 39:40.980 --> 39:45.680 Yeah, I don't, I looked into it a while back to, I don't know if it was as far back 39:45.680 --> 39:46.480 as 2004. 39:46.480 --> 39:48.720 That's a long, long, long time ago, you know. 39:49.080 --> 39:50.860 Long time ago, like way back in the day. 39:50.880 --> 39:51.140 Way back in the day. 39:51.140 --> 39:51.660 2004. 39:51.960 --> 39:53.480 Was the interweb around back then? 39:54.660 --> 39:55.060 Oh yeah. 39:55.280 --> 39:55.740 Oh, okay. 39:55.960 --> 39:56.540 Whew, man. 39:57.840 --> 40:02.840 I did look into it a little bit and one, I don't like buying anything sight unseen. 40:04.420 --> 40:08.100 So I don't know what their quality or anything like that was from Cafe Press. 40:08.760 --> 40:12.720 And second of all, and more importantly, everything I saw on there was expensive. 40:13.640 --> 40:19.720 The cheapest, cheapest stuff I saw on there was maybe $12.99 on sale or something, and then 40:19.720 --> 40:20.980 you've got to add four or five bucks. 40:21.060 --> 40:24.680 So I think it's four bucks shipping for one shirt, if I remember correctly. 40:25.320 --> 40:29.960 But like most of them are 15 bucks plus four for shipping, and I've seen some of them that 40:29.960 --> 40:33.340 are $19.99, you know, $25 for a t-shirt? 40:34.720 --> 40:35.080 No. 40:35.520 --> 40:36.200 Not happening. 40:36.200 --> 40:38.640 And I get a lot of other good stuff for 25 bucks. 40:38.760 --> 40:39.300 Screw that. 40:40.940 --> 40:44.980 So, because of those two things, I never bothered to try them. 40:45.040 --> 40:46.540 A lot of people have suggested them. 40:47.120 --> 40:51.580 I even had people suggest, apparently, I didn't know this, but apparently they have, well, 40:51.600 --> 40:55.020 I know it now after some people emailed me, they have a printing house too, and people 40:55.020 --> 40:57.160 were suggesting I should send the magazine there to be printed. 40:58.540 --> 41:01.060 So, it pretty much was the same mindset. 41:01.240 --> 41:03.700 I want to have it, I want to be able to control the quality. 41:03.700 --> 41:06.320 I want the magazine to look a certain way, et cetera, et cetera. 41:06.320 --> 41:10.480 So, never tried Cafe Press. 41:10.480 --> 41:18.200 However, I do want to try to get you some fine, sweet, just kick-ass swag. 41:18.200 --> 41:20.820 And, I did that. 41:20.900 --> 41:24.260 I had t-shirts printed up and took them to Interzone. 41:24.260 --> 41:31.860 And, the ones that we have left, I have here, and we'll put them up on the website very soon. 41:32.780 --> 41:34.500 When I get time, like everything else. 41:34.560 --> 41:37.020 Hopefully, this weekend, I'll sit down and put them up. 41:37.860 --> 41:38.460 Let's see. 41:38.540 --> 41:43.160 Let's jump through some email a little bit quicker here, because I do have a really fun main topic tonight. 41:43.160 --> 41:46.800 We're going to play along at home with a topic. 41:46.980 --> 41:50.380 Actually, this is the topic I presented at the Interzone conference. 41:51.120 --> 41:52.840 So, get ready, everybody in IRC. 41:52.980 --> 41:54.440 Get your Google pages up. 41:54.540 --> 41:55.420 Get your browsers ready. 41:55.500 --> 41:57.100 We're going to do some fun stuff in a few minutes. 41:57.580 --> 41:59.460 But, first, let's burn through a couple more emails. 42:00.640 --> 42:01.100 Let's see. 42:01.160 --> 42:02.960 This one comes from Anonymous. 42:03.820 --> 42:07.060 Actually, this is the same Anonymous listener, Doug, if you remember that. 42:07.060 --> 42:08.180 Just email us. 42:08.280 --> 42:13.740 This is about the whole, excuse me, the whole, what do you call it, Paris Hilton thing? 42:13.940 --> 42:18.000 And the, what do you call it, the, what was that thing, sidekick? 42:18.080 --> 42:19.640 Her sidekick getting hacked and everything. 42:20.780 --> 42:21.260 Let's see. 42:21.260 --> 42:21.820 The mobile sidekick, right. 42:21.960 --> 42:22.200 All right. 42:22.260 --> 42:30.500 So, he had sent in claiming that it was this guy, Ethics, and his real name, and had proof of it, and all that kind of stuff. 42:30.500 --> 42:34.860 And, I don't know the story, because there's been several different versions of this story. 42:34.860 --> 42:39.720 And, well, let me read the email, and then we'll talk about that exact point right there. 42:40.220 --> 42:46.100 This anonymous person says, in response to the ignorant puss that thought he'd disproved my last email, 42:46.880 --> 42:50.100 stating that I was simply trying to, quote, make a name for myself, 42:50.500 --> 42:53.320 which is indeed not the case, giving the anonymous handle. 42:53.940 --> 42:54.680 Good point. 42:54.680 --> 43:01.240 He claimed that Nicholas Jacobson was, in fact, the T-Mobile hacker, as stated in the Security Focus article, 43:02.080 --> 43:07.360 securityfocus.com slash news slash 10271. 43:07.920 --> 43:11.880 Apparently, though, the reader did not read past the first paragraph, for if he had, 43:12.320 --> 43:15.540 he would have noticed that his handle, Ethics, was mentioned ten times, 43:15.540 --> 43:18.740 and threw the reader's exhaustive research to disprove my mail. 43:18.840 --> 43:21.240 At no time did he ever come across the handle, Ethics, 43:21.680 --> 43:24.500 and Nicholas Jacobson mentioned anywhere on the same page. 43:24.980 --> 43:28.660 A visit to the Security Focus article or a search on Google will prove otherwise. 43:29.380 --> 43:30.080 And, furthermore, 43:30.920 --> 43:33.840 Ethics, 43:34.240 --> 43:35.660 see, there's a long URL. 43:35.780 --> 43:36.880 I'm going to have to put this in the show notes, 43:36.940 --> 43:38.200 because I'm not reading all this on the air. 43:38.440 --> 43:42.920 Furthermore, there's a website that outlines how he was linked to the alleged crime, 43:42.920 --> 43:47.800 and, towards the end, outlines some of the technical details proving that government-ran proxies, 43:47.980 --> 43:51.780 or honeypots, do, in fact, exist and are used frequently. 43:52.440 --> 43:53.400 And I'm glad he said that. 43:53.420 --> 43:55.840 That's something we've said on the show many times. 43:56.440 --> 43:57.620 Be careful out there. 43:58.260 --> 43:58.680 Anyway, 43:58.800 --> 44:00.360 Forgive my hastily written email. 44:00.540 --> 44:03.880 The original intent of my last email was to correct some misperceptions, 44:04.280 --> 44:08.240 but in doing so, even more misperceptions occurred due to ignorance. 44:08.240 --> 44:14.520 Now, again, I've heard several different stories from different people, 44:14.720 --> 44:17.360 and, yes, I took a look at that Security Focus article, 44:17.820 --> 44:21.180 and I just don't know which ones to hold as true. 44:21.300 --> 44:23.360 I mean, no offense to Security Focus, 44:23.700 --> 44:25.200 for the most part. 44:25.260 --> 44:27.780 I can't say that I've ever claimed them to be inaccurate, 44:27.980 --> 44:30.960 but I never believe any one single source. 44:31.440 --> 44:34.440 And since I haven't had a whole lot of cooperation from other people, 44:34.440 --> 44:37.820 in fact, I've had the opposite, mixed stories from different people, 44:37.820 --> 44:39.080 I don't know what's true. 44:39.160 --> 44:41.980 I don't know what the truth of who hacked who and how. 44:42.900 --> 44:44.940 Do you have any insight, or do you have any? 44:46.580 --> 44:49.660 The only thing I can say is that if the guy was smart enough 44:49.660 --> 44:52.860 that did pull all this stuff, he would keep his name anonymous. 44:53.100 --> 44:54.120 He wouldn't say who he was. 44:54.160 --> 44:56.120 He would just do it and not even mention about it. 44:56.140 --> 44:58.280 He wouldn't tell his friends and go around gloating around. 44:59.620 --> 45:00.280 Well, and... 45:00.280 --> 45:02.140 Have they busted someone for doing this? 45:02.140 --> 45:05.060 I guess in... 45:05.060 --> 45:07.420 I don't know if it was in their private IRC channel, 45:07.560 --> 45:08.920 and then it spread from there, 45:09.120 --> 45:11.180 or how that worked. 45:11.300 --> 45:14.480 But this is something that actually ZeroDB and I have talked about 45:14.480 --> 45:15.780 on many, many occasions. 45:16.740 --> 45:19.300 And Doug makes the exact same point. 45:19.860 --> 45:21.500 Sometimes, stafoo. 45:21.780 --> 45:23.660 You just need to just stafoo. 45:24.320 --> 45:24.760 Seriously. 45:24.940 --> 45:25.400 Keep it to yourself. 45:25.400 --> 45:26.660 Why do you even care who did it? 45:26.760 --> 45:29.120 I mean, the funniest part is that her shit is on the internet. 45:29.120 --> 45:32.440 But, you know, big shout-out to the guy that did that, you know. 45:32.540 --> 45:35.540 But, I mean, you don't want to have your name out there 45:35.540 --> 45:37.260 and just be like, yeah, I'm the one that did this, you know, 45:37.260 --> 45:38.520 and then you get locked up the next day. 45:38.740 --> 45:42.420 Yeah, it's just funny to me because it's her. 45:42.960 --> 45:45.840 It would not have been as funny to me if it was just about anybody else. 45:47.000 --> 45:47.320 You know? 45:48.140 --> 45:50.740 If it was anybody else, it would have still been kind of funny, 45:50.840 --> 45:52.960 but because it was her, it made it doubly funny 45:52.960 --> 45:56.940 because she's not the sharpest knife in the drawer, you know. 45:56.940 --> 46:01.500 And, like herself and most celebrities, all celebrities are on default. 46:01.800 --> 46:02.640 Yeah, exactly. 46:03.700 --> 46:04.100 Exactly. 46:04.260 --> 46:07.320 I think Lucky said Paris Hilton is on default. 46:07.480 --> 46:08.560 Paris Hilton is a noob. 46:09.820 --> 46:10.080 Yep. 46:10.260 --> 46:12.320 So, yeah, it's just funny. 46:12.400 --> 46:16.300 And, no, because it was her getting owned doesn't make her dumb or anything. 46:16.920 --> 46:17.840 She was already dumb. 46:17.940 --> 46:18.880 I mean, let's be honest. 46:20.120 --> 46:20.600 Come on. 46:20.780 --> 46:21.640 That's true, too. 46:21.640 --> 46:27.760 She's rich, but, you know, she's not, yeah, she's not the brightest bulb in the light. 46:27.880 --> 46:30.720 Hey, she's got a great life, though, so, you know what, shout out to her. 46:30.720 --> 46:32.480 Oh, I'd trade places with her. 46:32.740 --> 46:33.160 She doesn't have to be. 46:33.560 --> 46:35.480 I would rather be dumb and rich any day. 46:36.600 --> 46:38.180 I mean, she doesn't have to be smart. 46:38.280 --> 46:38.920 That's awesome. 46:39.120 --> 46:39.340 Right. 46:40.680 --> 46:41.800 That is a good point. 46:42.040 --> 46:42.780 Actually, I would not. 46:43.140 --> 46:45.180 I'd rather be smart and poor, but whatever. 46:46.580 --> 46:47.840 Rich wouldn't hurt, you know. 46:48.480 --> 46:49.640 It's not a bad life. 46:49.640 --> 46:52.880 She gets to do anything she wants. 46:53.460 --> 46:54.620 And not even think about it. 46:54.740 --> 47:00.860 I mean, do you realize how, I couldn't even imagine, really, my imagination, I couldn't 47:00.860 --> 47:06.260 even imagine what it's like to buy what you want, when you want, where you want, for whatever 47:06.260 --> 47:06.620 reason. 47:06.760 --> 47:08.100 Just, yeah, I'll take it. 47:08.360 --> 47:10.040 And not even think of the consequences. 47:10.160 --> 47:11.200 Yeah, here's my card. 47:11.360 --> 47:11.580 Whatever. 47:11.880 --> 47:12.380 I'll take it. 47:13.460 --> 47:14.640 Yeah, I would want to be rich. 47:14.680 --> 47:16.220 Not famous, but I would want to be rich. 47:16.220 --> 47:19.560 Yeah, unfortunately, being rich forces fame. 47:19.640 --> 47:20.320 I guess, in a way. 47:21.360 --> 47:21.600 Yeah. 47:21.900 --> 47:22.320 Oh, well. 47:22.460 --> 47:23.620 Anyway, we're getting sidetracked again. 47:23.700 --> 47:24.120 Let's see. 47:24.240 --> 47:25.400 What else do we got here? 47:26.300 --> 47:27.640 Email from It's Rainin'. 47:28.720 --> 47:29.820 It's Raining. 47:29.960 --> 47:30.160 Okay. 47:30.920 --> 47:31.800 It's Rainin'. 47:31.800 --> 47:32.320 No G. 47:32.720 --> 47:33.200 Stank Dog. 47:33.260 --> 47:33.600 Hey, man. 47:33.660 --> 47:35.000 Just picked up the show on podcast. 47:35.300 --> 47:37.980 Was researching podcasting and stumbled in FinRev. 47:38.500 --> 47:39.060 Anywho, love. 47:39.160 --> 47:39.920 What's with Anywho? 47:40.000 --> 47:41.360 Why is everybody saying Anywho lately? 47:42.420 --> 47:42.780 Anywho. 47:43.160 --> 47:43.920 Love the show. 47:44.020 --> 47:45.120 Very interesting and entertaining. 47:45.660 --> 47:48.600 Got the Eps on the iPod and I'm catching up. 47:48.900 --> 47:51.380 My one complaint is that it's not work safe. 47:51.920 --> 47:56.680 I was listening the other day in my office and suddenly the F-bomb was dropped once or twice. 47:57.260 --> 47:58.260 Only once or twice? 47:58.340 --> 47:59.720 What the fuck episode was that? 48:00.400 --> 48:00.560 No. 48:01.840 --> 48:02.780 Holy fuck. 48:02.900 --> 48:03.120 Yeah. 48:03.380 --> 48:05.300 No, personally, I really don't care. 48:05.840 --> 48:08.780 And if I was at home or in my car, I wouldn't second glance it. 48:08.880 --> 48:10.240 Can you second glance with your ears? 48:10.320 --> 48:10.940 No, I know what you mean. 48:10.940 --> 48:14.900 But I love to listen to FinRev at work, but it can get me in some hot water sometimes. 48:15.280 --> 48:18.820 I'm very against censorship and telling people what they should do or say in their own creations. 48:19.380 --> 48:21.300 But is the language really that necessary? 48:21.940 --> 48:24.320 Doesn't really add to the content or further any purpose. 48:24.420 --> 48:24.900 That's all. 48:25.220 --> 48:25.800 Keep it up, man. 48:25.840 --> 48:26.720 You put on a great show. 48:26.820 --> 48:27.880 I will continue to listen. 48:27.980 --> 48:29.320 Just may not listen at work. 48:29.680 --> 48:30.720 And he's got a little smiley. 48:30.740 --> 48:31.360 So see, that's cool. 48:32.320 --> 48:32.800 P.S. 48:32.820 --> 48:37.240 When I download the MP3s, the episode name isn't in the actual ID tag. 48:37.300 --> 48:39.180 It just says Binary Revolution Radio. 48:39.180 --> 48:41.380 You may want to add the episode number. 48:41.460 --> 48:44.120 I had the manual added in on mine, just FYI. 48:45.020 --> 48:45.700 You know what? 48:46.400 --> 48:47.540 You should do that, actually. 48:47.760 --> 48:48.040 Yeah. 48:48.220 --> 48:49.460 I just don't know. 48:49.540 --> 48:52.300 Am I really going to go back through all of the episodes and add that in? 48:52.380 --> 48:55.720 I mean, what I do is I put in the, there's a track. 48:55.900 --> 48:58.180 There's a track number in the ID3 tag. 48:58.220 --> 49:00.100 And I fill that out every time. 49:00.100 --> 49:06.820 I mean, so maybe that, yeah, I will put that on the bottom of the list of things to do, 49:06.880 --> 49:12.120 which means, yeah, it's right below offering up AugVorbis versions of the show. 49:12.480 --> 49:13.660 So it's on the list. 49:14.760 --> 49:16.460 That's what I used to do with Default and the Mind War. 49:16.540 --> 49:20.640 I would always put Default as the artist, and then the title would be the episode number, 49:20.760 --> 49:22.660 or in the case of the Mind War, it would be the actual date. 49:22.660 --> 49:27.120 Yeah, there is a limit on the size, too, and I don't know if there's enough space to add those in. 49:27.220 --> 49:31.380 But I think you can probably go to your MP3 player and have it display that. 49:31.500 --> 49:33.440 I know it'll explain the name and title. 49:33.540 --> 49:35.340 I don't know if you can have it display the track number field. 49:35.880 --> 49:39.780 But it is in, excuse me, it is in the ID3 tag somewhere, so. 49:40.720 --> 49:43.400 Because that's what I used to sort them on my hard drive when I'm looking for them. 49:45.240 --> 49:47.640 As far as the not safe for work, yeah, we're not. 49:48.600 --> 49:49.880 There's no gentle way to say it. 49:49.880 --> 49:54.440 I do, I even get a lot of flack from people for censoring myself too much. 49:55.020 --> 49:59.920 But I'm not going to hold back when I feel that there's a need to do it. 50:00.340 --> 50:01.620 I have warnings on the website. 50:01.860 --> 50:05.360 I realize you found us through a podcast, and the podcast sites, they're independent. 50:05.460 --> 50:09.040 I can't force them or tell them, you know, to put up warnings or notes. 50:09.120 --> 50:13.440 On our website, there's a warning that says exactly that, that there's foul language. 50:14.260 --> 50:16.140 Yes, I do hold back somewhat. 50:16.140 --> 50:29.220 I mean, if you saw some of the actual emails that I read and saw how much editing, not editing, but how much ad-libbing I do on the fly to try to avoid gratuitous use of them, you'd be pretty shocked. 50:29.360 --> 50:34.300 But frankly, I disagree with the point that you said where it doesn't add anything. 50:34.500 --> 50:36.840 I absolutely think it does add things on occasion. 50:36.960 --> 50:41.560 That's why I try to edit it out in wasteful or gratuitous circumstances. 50:41.560 --> 50:44.020 I don't want to just say fuck because I can say fuck. 50:44.540 --> 50:45.840 Fuckity, fuckity, fuck, fuck, fuck. 50:45.900 --> 50:46.700 Now, that's gratuitous. 50:46.740 --> 50:47.360 There's no point. 50:47.800 --> 50:49.280 Actually, that was kind of funny, so there was a point. 50:50.040 --> 50:52.080 I can't just, you know, just dropping it for no reason. 50:52.480 --> 50:54.560 Yeah, I absolutely agree with that point 100%. 50:54.560 --> 51:02.760 But I try to keep it in if I feel that it's part of what I'm saying. 51:02.760 --> 51:11.120 If I feel strongly about something and I feel that I can give it extra emphasis by dropping the F-bomb or some other word, I think it adds enthusiasm. 51:11.500 --> 51:12.480 I think it adds emotion. 51:12.480 --> 51:17.800 And I think it will show people how serious I am about a topic or how serious a topic is. 51:18.460 --> 51:23.080 And I think that absolutely adds something to the content. 51:23.860 --> 51:26.660 So, yes, gratuitously, I agree with you 100%. 51:26.660 --> 51:28.900 And like I said, I get a lot of flack and feedback. 51:29.040 --> 51:32.900 People tell me I'm censoring myself and how I shouldn't do this and that. 51:32.940 --> 51:33.420 And you know what? 51:33.580 --> 51:38.780 I try to limit it to only times when I do want to make a point. 51:40.080 --> 51:41.760 So, yeah, I have to disagree with that. 51:41.760 --> 51:43.180 I do have it for a point. 51:43.260 --> 51:45.800 Sometimes, I've said before, sometimes the point simply is humor. 51:47.400 --> 51:48.940 I do think there's room for humor. 51:49.080 --> 51:52.140 I mean, the whole show is about having fun, which people always seem to forget. 51:52.920 --> 51:59.620 So, if there's a joke or some way to make it say funny, make it more funny, you know, then I'll do it. 52:01.080 --> 52:01.860 Fucking A, Doug? 52:03.300 --> 52:03.960 Fucking shit. 52:03.960 --> 52:10.960 You know, speaking of podcasting, man, there is some interesting shows on podcasts. 52:10.960 --> 52:12.840 Oh, don't do it. 52:12.960 --> 52:16.720 Like, yeah, don't, let's not, let's not go on that tangent. 52:17.180 --> 52:19.440 I've heard things that are just really horrible. 52:19.580 --> 52:23.700 Like, my five-year-old niece can do a better show than some of these people. 52:23.860 --> 52:24.760 I agree. 52:24.840 --> 52:26.100 We can make a whole show. 52:27.220 --> 52:31.200 I have some, when I do radio, I have some funny clips that I just want to play to people. 52:31.200 --> 52:32.240 Oh, that'd be hilarious. 52:32.560 --> 52:33.500 That would be hilarious. 52:33.640 --> 52:34.740 Maybe we'll put some stuff on that tangent. 52:34.740 --> 52:35.700 The best of podcasting. 52:35.940 --> 52:38.100 The worst, the worst of podcasting. 52:38.680 --> 52:45.200 The worst, all right, there's one podcasting show where I think the guy just takes a dump. 52:45.320 --> 52:45.900 That's his show. 52:46.020 --> 52:47.720 He goes to the bathroom and he records it. 52:48.500 --> 52:49.640 But that's entertaining. 52:49.840 --> 52:50.480 That's funny. 52:50.600 --> 52:52.880 I'm talking about things that are like, what the hell, like. 52:52.880 --> 52:57.500 All right, and here's one that I hate, is this one with these, this couple that I guess 52:57.500 --> 53:00.220 they have sex on the air, or they talk about sex on the air. 53:00.260 --> 53:02.400 We talked about that a few weeks ago on the show. 53:02.640 --> 53:04.460 That's, oh, please. 53:05.540 --> 53:10.520 But I'm saying there are some shows that are just some, like, there's this one with this 53:10.520 --> 53:15.160 chick with a microphone and she just thinks she's all that and her, like, her show's 53:15.160 --> 53:18.520 five minutes long and the MP3 is like 300 megs. 53:19.280 --> 53:20.700 Wow, man, see. 53:20.700 --> 53:26.220 Yeah, you know what, we're going to do a, let's do a special episode one time and we're 53:26.220 --> 53:28.860 going to play a bunch of clips and stuff from some of the other podcasts. 53:29.120 --> 53:32.560 But see, the catch-22 of that, somebody will say the same thing about us. 53:33.640 --> 53:35.240 So, I don't know. 53:35.520 --> 53:38.260 We'll do that for fun one time. 53:38.340 --> 53:39.080 We'll do that for fun. 53:39.140 --> 53:42.640 Maybe we'll do, like, the stupid podcast line of the week or something like that. 53:43.120 --> 53:48.300 I think that would be a funny podcast show to make fun of other podcast shows, like Mystery 53:48.300 --> 53:49.400 Science Theater style. 53:50.700 --> 53:52.560 Yeah, I was going to do that, actually, on my show. 53:52.620 --> 53:56.320 I was going to have, like, the best podcast quote of the day. 53:56.320 --> 53:59.300 Yeah, that would be funny, because I'm sure there's lots out there. 53:59.500 --> 54:02.100 You'd have to do a lot of listening and research, though, to find that stuff. 54:03.400 --> 54:08.060 All right, anyway, man, let's, gosh, okay, we're going to burn through here a little bit 54:08.060 --> 54:10.160 quicker, but where was I here? 54:12.240 --> 54:14.140 ID3 tag, yeah, I talked about that. 54:14.240 --> 54:14.740 Safe from work. 54:14.800 --> 54:16.000 Yeah, we're not going to be safe from work. 54:16.320 --> 54:17.740 We're just not going to be safe from work. 54:17.820 --> 54:18.840 There's no other way to say it. 54:18.900 --> 54:21.140 I'm not going to water it down completely. 54:21.780 --> 54:22.340 I'm going to drop it. 54:22.340 --> 54:24.200 People get fired from work listening to this show. 54:24.480 --> 54:26.440 They have, yes, absolutely. 54:27.520 --> 54:28.640 Honestly, and you know what? 54:28.720 --> 54:33.480 If it makes you feel any better, I listen to all of my stuff at work and headphones as 54:33.480 --> 54:33.740 well. 54:33.740 --> 54:36.760 I put headphones on because I know better. 54:37.480 --> 54:43.480 I think you will find, and maybe I'm making an overgeneralization here, but I think that 54:43.480 --> 54:47.320 you will find that the majority of internet radio is not safe for work. 54:47.780 --> 54:52.100 Not just this show, but I think you'll find that just about all of the shows out there 54:52.100 --> 54:53.180 are not safe for work. 54:53.280 --> 54:57.680 So I've gotten used to it because I've been around for a while and know how it goes, so 54:57.680 --> 55:00.320 I wear headphones when I listen to stuff at work. 55:02.100 --> 55:03.040 But that's just me. 55:03.080 --> 55:03.460 Are you there? 55:04.540 --> 55:05.140 Yeah, I'm here. 55:05.360 --> 55:06.400 Oh, what's that beeping I heard? 55:06.460 --> 55:07.140 Are we being tapped? 55:08.240 --> 55:09.740 No, someone kept trying to call me. 55:10.080 --> 55:10.340 Oh. 55:10.820 --> 55:11.720 Is it that noob lucky? 55:13.120 --> 55:14.100 No, it's actually my dad. 55:14.260 --> 55:14.440 Oh. 55:15.900 --> 55:16.700 All right. 55:16.760 --> 55:17.260 Let's see. 55:18.480 --> 55:25.100 Next email comes from Rob F., who, let's see, he said a lot of other stuff, but I wanted 55:25.100 --> 55:26.260 to mention this one part. 55:26.740 --> 55:32.880 This is a follow-up to, I think it was OOB, Out of Bounds, OOB, last week or week before, 55:32.880 --> 55:37.340 saying that the Microsoft anti-spyware deleted some of his MP3s. 55:37.960 --> 55:40.260 And we were saying how that's not cool. 55:40.380 --> 55:41.600 There's no virus in the MP3. 55:41.680 --> 55:43.800 It shouldn't be deleting actual data files like that. 55:43.800 --> 55:49.860 And Rob F. says, the Microsoft deleting MP3s concern, I believe, is simply a side effect 55:49.860 --> 55:55.660 of a bad design and the removal of Kazaa, or intentional, but it's not actually scanning 55:55.660 --> 55:56.600 the MP3s. 55:56.600 --> 56:02.000 Rather, it deletes Kazaa and all of its sub-directories, including the MP3s. 56:02.360 --> 56:04.400 That makes perfect logical sense. 56:04.480 --> 56:09.660 That's probably what happened, that it deleted Kazaa as a peer-to-peer app. 56:09.760 --> 56:14.640 And it shouldn't be doing that either, theoretically, but if it did and you okayed it, it probably 56:14.640 --> 56:20.480 deleted the downloaded files directory or incoming or whatever it's called, including all the 56:20.480 --> 56:21.540 files that are inside of it. 56:21.540 --> 56:24.480 So that's just a bad, yeah, bad design, like he said. 56:25.340 --> 56:29.740 And I never did get any email from anyone else saying that they had similar problems, 56:29.840 --> 56:31.740 confirming that that happened to them as well. 56:31.820 --> 56:33.180 So that makes perfect sense. 56:33.360 --> 56:37.660 So, uh, he also had a lot of other good comments that I'm not going to talk about because we've 56:37.660 --> 56:42.680 pretty much already addressed them today or in the past, but I will pass on his shouts 56:42.680 --> 56:43.660 to Jessica J. 56:44.000 --> 56:44.880 You go, girl! 56:44.880 --> 56:46.720 I don't know where that came from. 56:46.820 --> 56:47.980 A little Oprah took over for a minute. 56:49.900 --> 56:51.540 Oprah needs to have an internet radio show. 56:51.620 --> 56:52.520 Oprah should have a podcast. 56:53.500 --> 56:54.680 Oprah should have a podcast. 56:54.880 --> 56:55.460 That's a good idea. 56:55.580 --> 56:56.600 That would be pretty leet. 56:57.900 --> 56:59.160 I'll call her tomorrow about that. 56:59.220 --> 57:00.380 Yeah, we'll have to make that happen. 57:01.140 --> 57:02.880 I should have Oprah as a co-host one week. 57:03.160 --> 57:04.000 That would be awesome. 57:05.580 --> 57:06.820 It's the best show ever. 57:08.480 --> 57:11.340 Maybe that's what we should do to make the show fun again, liven it up. 57:11.340 --> 57:14.340 Maybe we should have fake celebrity co-hosts. 57:14.340 --> 57:17.480 We'll get people who can do good impressions or something and have them on the show. 57:19.220 --> 57:21.860 Alright, anyway, let's hurry up and bust through these last... 57:21.860 --> 57:23.960 You're like pulling like a Howard Stern, I swear to God. 57:26.580 --> 57:27.540 Oh, man. 57:28.180 --> 57:29.820 I am the king of all internet media. 57:29.960 --> 57:30.720 Fuck Howard Stern. 57:31.300 --> 57:33.840 Hey, hey, that is already taken, okay? 57:33.900 --> 57:35.700 Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. 57:36.840 --> 57:38.700 You're just a media whore in general. 57:39.500 --> 57:40.500 I'm not a media whore. 57:40.620 --> 57:41.740 That's Lucky's job right there. 57:41.760 --> 57:42.260 Oh, yeah, that's right. 57:42.320 --> 57:42.520 I forgot. 57:42.660 --> 57:44.200 Actually, Lucky's been slipping lately. 57:44.200 --> 57:45.060 There's some other people. 57:45.160 --> 57:47.140 We're taking the media whore mantle away from him. 57:48.860 --> 57:50.260 Anyway, let's see. 57:50.300 --> 57:51.880 Email from Freaky Hazard. 57:52.740 --> 57:54.320 Hey there, I'm Freaky Hazard. 57:54.620 --> 57:55.320 Nice to meet you. 57:55.660 --> 57:56.560 And I live in Norway. 57:57.760 --> 57:57.980 Hey. 57:59.460 --> 58:00.160 How you doing? 58:00.800 --> 58:04.160 Not many people over here are interested in stuff like this. 58:04.160 --> 58:11.880 I've been interested in hacking and freaking for a while now, but just recently I came across the old school freak site, and I found a link to BinRev. 58:11.880 --> 58:15.520 So I decided to listen to some of your shows, so I decided to listen to some of your shows, and it totally blew my mind. 58:15.520 --> 58:22.520 It's so fun to get news and information from someone who has a similar view on the most common problems that we hackers face. 58:23.120 --> 58:25.300 It's real fun when you get all fired up with your rants. 58:25.880 --> 58:26.760 I do that sometimes. 58:27.200 --> 58:28.980 This show opened a whole new world for me. 58:29.080 --> 58:33.220 The BinRev magazine, the 2600 magazine, Hack TV, and other radio stations. 58:33.700 --> 58:36.780 I just wanted to thank you for all the great stuff and keep up the superb work. 58:37.220 --> 58:37.560 P.S. 58:37.560 --> 58:40.380 I am so going to order all your issues of BinRev now. 58:40.480 --> 58:43.300 Greetings from Freaky Hazard in Norway. 58:43.300 --> 58:47.780 So thank you, big ups, big shout-outs to Norway. 58:48.040 --> 58:48.920 Big up yourself. 58:49.700 --> 59:06.380 And if you like Old School Freak, you should probably check out Pimp Pimp, the new RFA podcast, Radio Freak America podcast, available at OldSchoolFreak.com, re-releasing all the classic episodes of Radio Freak America, starting with episode one. 59:07.260 --> 59:09.140 Classic memories of Dual Parallel. 59:09.140 --> 59:15.180 Classic freaking goodness with Dual Parallel, Rax, Mary Chan, Condor, the whole group. 59:16.260 --> 59:18.620 So go check that out if you have not already. 59:18.760 --> 59:19.500 That's good stuff. 59:19.880 --> 59:21.040 And it still holds up well. 59:21.200 --> 59:22.120 And you know what? 59:22.200 --> 59:23.420 That was a fun show. 59:23.500 --> 59:25.040 And this so far has been a fun show, Doug. 59:25.060 --> 59:29.040 Thank you for keeping me a little light this week as far as the content here. 59:29.120 --> 59:31.240 Let me get this last email. 59:31.560 --> 59:33.780 And then we are going to do – let me see how we are on time here. 59:33.780 --> 59:39.060 We are going to do a main topic tonight that's a play-along that I think is also going to be fun. 59:39.140 --> 59:42.880 But one last email here from – yikes. 59:42.960 --> 59:43.800 How am I – let's see. 59:44.160 --> 59:46.080 All right, we're going to take guesses on this. 59:46.140 --> 59:48.180 And I'm going to say that this is – 59:48.180 --> 59:51.980 Uh, Coroxus. 59:54.180 --> 59:55.380 I'm going to say Coroxus. 59:55.880 --> 59:57.240 Just to be – just to disagree? 59:58.240 --> 59:59.880 Coroxus or Coroxus says. 01:00:00.320 --> 01:00:00.960 It's Coroxus. 01:00:00.960 --> 01:00:03.320 It's not just to disagree because I think it's Coroxus. 01:00:03.320 --> 01:00:06.400 No, it's – you're doing it to disagree just because you – ugh, anyway. 01:00:07.680 --> 01:00:10.140 Um, Cor – Cor – Cor – Coroxus. 01:00:10.860 --> 01:00:11.260 Coroxus? 01:00:11.300 --> 01:00:13.640 That sounds like a butthole disease or something. 01:00:14.320 --> 01:00:14.720 Coroxus. 01:00:15.000 --> 01:00:16.860 Maybe he likes a butthole disease. 01:00:16.980 --> 01:00:17.480 I'm just saying. 01:00:19.220 --> 01:00:20.520 Oh, man. 01:00:21.340 --> 01:00:21.740 Cor – Coroxus. 01:00:21.740 --> 01:00:24.300 Coroxus or Coroxus says. 01:00:24.700 --> 01:00:25.420 Hi, Stank Dog. 01:00:25.420 --> 01:00:27.180 You can't get butthole disease through email, can you? 01:00:28.120 --> 01:00:28.600 Maybe I should – 01:00:28.600 --> 01:00:29.200 I hope not. 01:00:29.200 --> 01:00:30.160 I'm going to skip this one. 01:00:30.500 --> 01:00:31.620 Hey, Stank Dog – or excuse me. 01:00:31.680 --> 01:00:32.520 Hi, Stank Dog. 01:00:32.960 --> 01:00:35.800 I found your show through iPodder, and I really, really like it. 01:00:35.960 --> 01:00:37.360 I spent the last week in bed. 01:00:38.200 --> 01:00:38.940 The flu hit me. 01:00:39.000 --> 01:00:39.420 Uh-oh. 01:00:39.960 --> 01:00:40.660 Uh-oh. 01:00:40.900 --> 01:00:41.860 I'm just saying. 01:00:41.960 --> 01:00:42.560 Butthole disease. 01:00:42.760 --> 01:00:43.460 I'm just saying. 01:00:44.000 --> 01:00:49.500 And listened to your show and tried to catch up, which isn't that easy because English 01:00:49.500 --> 01:00:51.540 is just a second language for me. 01:00:51.540 --> 01:00:55.740 So it takes me a little longer to get all the points you and your co-host talk about. 01:00:55.740 --> 01:01:01.440 So far, your English is better than the majority of our native English-speaking emails are. 01:01:02.420 --> 01:01:06.100 But anyway, here's a small question, which I have. 01:01:06.580 --> 01:01:11.320 Is there somewhere – and I guess the answer is yes – a schedule of conventions and meetings 01:01:11.320 --> 01:01:13.740 like the Hope and DEFCON? 01:01:14.660 --> 01:01:18.760 I'm going to be in the States around June, and I would like to join one of those shows 01:01:18.760 --> 01:01:19.820 or conventions, I think. 01:01:20.140 --> 01:01:22.880 But I wasn't able to find one yet. 01:01:22.880 --> 01:01:26.200 But you're really doing a good job, so please keep up the good work. 01:01:26.500 --> 01:01:29.340 Thanks and greetings from good old Austria. 01:01:30.180 --> 01:01:30.580 P.S. 01:01:30.600 --> 01:01:31.840 Sorry for my imperfect English. 01:01:31.960 --> 01:01:32.800 I'm working on that. 01:01:32.880 --> 01:01:35.760 Like I said, your English is better than a lot. 01:01:36.840 --> 01:01:37.620 That was pretty good. 01:01:37.720 --> 01:01:40.360 Yeah, actually, that was pretty darn good there, Kuroksis. 01:01:41.560 --> 01:01:44.480 As far as a site for conferences, honestly, I don't know of any. 01:01:45.180 --> 01:01:46.360 I mean, that's a simple thing. 01:01:46.360 --> 01:01:53.400 We had – I was excited about a feature that was in the Envision forums when we did the last upgrade 01:01:53.400 --> 01:01:58.300 that added a calendaring feature, and we started off, we were adding all the shows. 01:01:58.480 --> 01:02:03.260 I know Default Radio, BinRev, and I think InfoNomicon started adding theirs, 01:02:03.380 --> 01:02:04.600 and then it just suddenly disappeared. 01:02:04.720 --> 01:02:06.720 People forgot that there's a calendar built in there. 01:02:07.740 --> 01:02:09.120 I used that when the malware came out. 01:02:09.180 --> 01:02:10.600 I was like, holy crap, there's a calendar in here. 01:02:10.740 --> 01:02:11.400 I forgot about it. 01:02:11.400 --> 01:02:14.420 Yeah, and it's great for stuff like that, and it was working at the beginning, 01:02:14.560 --> 01:02:17.440 and people just – I think they just don't realize it's there. 01:02:17.840 --> 01:02:19.680 So this is your reminder that it is there. 01:02:20.080 --> 01:02:22.980 But you know what I think I'm going to do is I think I'm going to throw up something 01:02:22.980 --> 01:02:27.420 under the projects page, a little cheap calendar or just a little quick schedule 01:02:27.420 --> 01:02:31.320 updated every couple months because it's not like you have to keep on top of it daily 01:02:31.320 --> 01:02:32.100 or even weekly. 01:02:32.760 --> 01:02:35.800 You know, you put in the conferences, they're announcing up to a year ahead of time, 01:02:35.880 --> 01:02:38.040 so you go in every few months and maintain it. 01:02:38.040 --> 01:02:40.820 I think that would be a simple, easy project to throw up somewhere. 01:02:40.820 --> 01:02:44.160 So we might try to see if we can make that happen. 01:02:44.240 --> 01:02:46.460 Unless, if somebody's already done it and it's already out there, 01:02:46.520 --> 01:02:47.680 there's no point reinventing the wheel. 01:02:47.820 --> 01:02:52.300 Just email us, radio at binrev.com, and let us know if something already exists. 01:02:52.880 --> 01:02:54.000 And an easy URL. 01:02:54.160 --> 01:02:57.580 Don't give us some long, drawn-out GeoCities thing. 01:02:59.260 --> 01:03:00.960 All right, that's it for the email. 01:03:01.660 --> 01:03:05.420 Let's jump into some show and tell quickly and then go into our main topic. 01:03:05.500 --> 01:03:07.760 We're going to have another full show today, that's for sure. 01:03:07.760 --> 01:03:12.700 I'll go ahead and do my show and tell because I was real short this week. 01:03:13.940 --> 01:03:16.720 Obviously, we mentioned that I was at Inner Zone week before last, 01:03:16.820 --> 01:03:19.440 so it kind of slowed a lot of things down. 01:03:19.720 --> 01:03:22.180 I went to my DC 305, New Hack City. 01:03:22.280 --> 01:03:26.140 I went to my DEFCON meeting this past Saturday, a couple days ago. 01:03:26.640 --> 01:03:28.540 And other than that, I've been working and traveling 01:03:28.540 --> 01:03:33.660 and actually working with Nick, testing some pages. 01:03:34.000 --> 01:03:41.420 He has put together as further, more parts to the DDP Hack Radio program, 01:03:41.640 --> 01:03:43.580 for lack of a better word, or system, 01:03:44.680 --> 01:03:49.660 some pages to dynamically generate the schedule and the archives. 01:03:50.300 --> 01:03:51.640 So we will put those up. 01:03:51.740 --> 01:03:54.940 Hopefully, by the time you hear this, those will be up and working. 01:03:54.940 --> 01:03:58.240 There will be PHP pages that are dynamically generated. 01:03:58.380 --> 01:04:01.480 When we upload a show, it will automatically put the notes in there. 01:04:01.580 --> 01:04:04.060 It will automatically put the link, download links, et cetera, et cetera. 01:04:05.000 --> 01:04:09.020 And another surprise that I'm not going to announce on this show, 01:04:09.080 --> 01:04:11.100 I'm going to wait until we get that up and working 01:04:11.100 --> 01:04:15.840 and speak to a couple of the hosts, some of the show hosts, 01:04:15.860 --> 01:04:17.940 and make sure everybody's aware that we have this available 01:04:17.940 --> 01:04:21.260 and get them using it, and then announce that probably next week. 01:04:21.260 --> 01:04:24.760 So we do have a dynamic schedule and a dynamic archive, 01:04:24.900 --> 01:04:25.880 at least for BinRev Radio, 01:04:26.320 --> 01:04:29.240 and a dynamic schedule for all of DDP Hack Radio. 01:04:29.540 --> 01:04:30.500 So that's very cool. 01:04:30.620 --> 01:04:31.400 Shouts to Nick for that. 01:04:31.460 --> 01:04:32.840 He's amazing. 01:04:33.600 --> 01:04:36.200 He can throw all together PHP codes so fast. 01:04:37.760 --> 01:04:38.960 Yeah, he's good at PHP. 01:04:39.060 --> 01:04:42.020 He's always helped out Default Radio, myself personally, 01:04:42.640 --> 01:04:45.900 and any other project that I've worked on or Decoder's worked on. 01:04:45.940 --> 01:04:48.220 He's always been good with PHP. 01:04:48.220 --> 01:04:51.040 Yeah, he's really good with a lot of other things. 01:04:51.160 --> 01:04:54.640 That guy's going to be making a six-figure income very, very soon. 01:04:55.620 --> 01:04:56.980 Phenomenal, phenomenal guy. 01:04:58.220 --> 01:04:59.440 All right, so that's it for me. 01:04:59.540 --> 01:05:01.120 What have you been working on lately? 01:05:03.520 --> 01:05:04.800 I know you went out of town. 01:05:05.060 --> 01:05:07.980 First of all, let me formally, again, 01:05:08.380 --> 01:05:10.280 thank you for taking over the show for two weeks. 01:05:10.340 --> 01:05:11.800 I know we're joking and laughing around, 01:05:11.900 --> 01:05:13.940 but sincerely, I did listen to the shows. 01:05:14.020 --> 01:05:15.820 You did a great job on the shows, 01:05:15.820 --> 01:05:17.860 and I know you had to take off out of town 01:05:17.860 --> 01:05:19.720 to take care of some business and stuff afterwards, 01:05:19.720 --> 01:05:22.760 so I haven't really had time to talk to you since then. 01:05:23.200 --> 01:05:26.400 So I'm taking this time on the air. 01:05:26.400 --> 01:05:26.960 Did you email me and be like, 01:05:27.000 --> 01:05:27.720 what have you been up to? 01:05:27.740 --> 01:05:28.820 I haven't talked to you since you got back. 01:05:28.860 --> 01:05:30.220 And I was like, don't ever talk to me again. 01:05:31.740 --> 01:05:32.060 Probably. 01:05:33.000 --> 01:05:33.640 I don't know. 01:05:33.740 --> 01:05:35.480 I figured you'd have me on Kill File anyway. 01:05:36.480 --> 01:05:38.080 But no, you guys did a good show, 01:05:38.280 --> 01:05:39.960 and I do appreciate it. 01:05:40.020 --> 01:05:41.740 I've said that on the air publicly now, 01:05:41.740 --> 01:05:44.620 so now go ahead and talk about your... 01:05:44.620 --> 01:05:47.240 Yeah, big thanks to Lucky for helping me out on that one. 01:05:47.640 --> 01:05:48.320 That helped a lot. 01:05:48.440 --> 01:05:50.160 When we did that, both weeks, 01:05:50.580 --> 01:05:53.140 we did that two hours before the show had to air. 01:05:53.640 --> 01:05:54.520 Oh, great. 01:05:54.900 --> 01:05:56.920 Because that was right when Lucky got off work. 01:05:57.380 --> 01:05:58.160 Oh, man. 01:05:58.800 --> 01:06:00.560 So how did you get it mixed in time 01:06:00.560 --> 01:06:02.880 and uploaded to the servers? 01:06:03.320 --> 01:06:05.620 Well, I had to make sure there was at least an hour 01:06:05.620 --> 01:06:06.700 before we had to air it. 01:06:06.760 --> 01:06:08.140 That way I could at least hear the whole show 01:06:08.140 --> 01:06:10.200 to make sure if I had to edit out anything that I forgot. 01:06:10.580 --> 01:06:10.940 Right. 01:06:11.740 --> 01:06:13.880 But, yeah, it was perfect timing. 01:06:14.300 --> 01:06:15.460 It's tough to do these shows. 01:06:15.580 --> 01:06:16.560 People don't realize. 01:06:17.420 --> 01:06:20.060 Binrev is a real hard show to do 01:06:20.060 --> 01:06:21.460 because of the content, you know, 01:06:21.500 --> 01:06:22.140 and come up with things. 01:06:22.220 --> 01:06:23.600 Plus, we didn't get much email. 01:06:24.480 --> 01:06:25.960 Usually email fills up the show a lot. 01:06:26.460 --> 01:06:29.480 Yeah, it does, and it did this time, too. 01:06:29.900 --> 01:06:30.580 So... 01:06:30.580 --> 01:06:31.260 Yeah. 01:06:31.400 --> 01:06:32.580 I don't know what that was all about. 01:06:32.880 --> 01:06:34.040 It comes and goes, I guess. 01:06:34.160 --> 01:06:35.540 But, anyway, I know you've been doing, 01:06:35.620 --> 01:06:36.620 since you have been back, 01:06:36.660 --> 01:06:38.540 I know you've been doing a lot of video editing, 01:06:38.680 --> 01:06:39.780 something I should be doing, 01:06:39.780 --> 01:06:41.160 but haven't had time lately. 01:06:42.200 --> 01:06:43.360 Yeah, I actually... 01:06:43.360 --> 01:06:45.360 White Sword did just release this on the forums. 01:06:45.500 --> 01:06:46.560 I made him a little... 01:06:46.560 --> 01:06:47.700 We were talking about this last night. 01:06:47.760 --> 01:06:49.560 I made him an opening theme for his show, 01:06:49.640 --> 01:06:52.380 and we were talking about changing the song every episode. 01:06:53.720 --> 01:06:55.200 So if you check the forums, 01:06:55.300 --> 01:06:56.320 you can see that it was posted. 01:06:56.320 --> 01:06:59.720 And so far, pretty much, 01:06:59.780 --> 01:07:00.820 Lucky has a new job, 01:07:00.900 --> 01:07:02.500 and we're going to try to get together every night 01:07:02.500 --> 01:07:03.280 and do some filming. 01:07:03.840 --> 01:07:05.200 We're supposed to be doing some filming tonight, 01:07:05.260 --> 01:07:06.020 actually, after the show. 01:07:06.100 --> 01:07:06.900 He's on his way over here. 01:07:07.680 --> 01:07:09.620 But I wanted to do some Doug TV filming. 01:07:09.940 --> 01:07:11.080 And another thing I want to do 01:07:11.080 --> 01:07:12.940 is once I get some... 01:07:12.940 --> 01:07:14.240 I have a lot better equipment now, 01:07:14.280 --> 01:07:16.340 but I want to give myself some better microphones, 01:07:16.500 --> 01:07:17.520 you know, like a shotgun mic, 01:07:17.600 --> 01:07:20.200 just like the real movie people have. 01:07:20.200 --> 01:07:23.160 And I want to do a continuing TV series 01:07:23.160 --> 01:07:24.400 for the Internet, 01:07:24.640 --> 01:07:26.780 and that's going to require myself going... 01:07:26.780 --> 01:07:28.320 Some friend of mine had the idea 01:07:28.320 --> 01:07:29.520 of going down to high schools 01:07:29.520 --> 01:07:31.380 and going down to drama classes 01:07:31.380 --> 01:07:33.480 and start passing out flyers 01:07:33.480 --> 01:07:34.900 of, you know, just independent actors 01:07:34.900 --> 01:07:36.060 and trying to get something together. 01:07:37.000 --> 01:07:37.200 Hmm. 01:07:37.440 --> 01:07:38.260 Could be interesting. 01:07:39.160 --> 01:07:39.600 Just for a... 01:07:39.600 --> 01:07:39.780 Listen. 01:07:39.780 --> 01:07:41.800 I've had this idea for a series 01:07:41.800 --> 01:07:42.580 that actually had, like, 01:07:42.600 --> 01:07:44.200 a real storyline for quite some time, 01:07:44.260 --> 01:07:46.180 and with the kind of series it is, 01:07:46.220 --> 01:07:48.220 I can do it with the equipment I have, 01:07:48.280 --> 01:07:48.640 you know? 01:07:50.200 --> 01:07:52.840 Yeah, and that's the great thing 01:07:52.840 --> 01:07:55.420 with the onset of DV cams 01:07:55.420 --> 01:07:56.220 and the affordability, 01:07:56.400 --> 01:07:57.260 the prices dropping. 01:07:57.600 --> 01:07:59.940 There are a lot of independent filmmakers 01:07:59.940 --> 01:08:00.780 coming out now. 01:08:00.900 --> 01:08:01.720 There really are, 01:08:01.800 --> 01:08:03.140 and they're talented people 01:08:03.140 --> 01:08:05.260 that you can't, you know, 01:08:05.400 --> 01:08:06.660 not all of us can afford 01:08:06.660 --> 01:08:07.700 to go to film school 01:08:07.700 --> 01:08:10.840 and stuff like that, so... 01:08:10.840 --> 01:08:12.620 With all the technology we have 01:08:12.620 --> 01:08:13.220 with, you know, 01:08:13.340 --> 01:08:15.300 Digital 8 and mini DV cameras 01:08:15.300 --> 01:08:17.740 and Windows having, you know, 01:08:17.740 --> 01:08:18.400 Premiere Pro 01:08:18.400 --> 01:08:20.180 and all those fancy software and stuff, 01:08:20.200 --> 01:08:20.400 you know, 01:08:20.440 --> 01:08:21.320 if you've got good lighting 01:08:21.320 --> 01:08:22.620 and you've got, you know, 01:08:22.660 --> 01:08:23.900 good microphones and stuff 01:08:23.900 --> 01:08:24.380 and tripod, 01:08:24.660 --> 01:08:25.740 you're set to go, you know? 01:08:25.760 --> 01:08:27.000 And if you're creative 01:08:27.000 --> 01:08:28.560 and know what you're doing, 01:08:28.620 --> 01:08:29.960 know how to hold the camera steady, 01:08:30.060 --> 01:08:30.280 you know, 01:08:30.300 --> 01:08:30.960 know what to do 01:08:30.960 --> 01:08:32.120 and what angles to film, 01:08:32.200 --> 01:08:33.480 then you can pretty much 01:08:33.480 --> 01:08:34.160 make a movie, you know? 01:08:34.160 --> 01:08:34.760 Just get a nice, 01:08:35.020 --> 01:08:35.840 powerful computer 01:08:35.840 --> 01:08:36.480 for the editing 01:08:36.480 --> 01:08:37.200 and then you're set. 01:08:37.200 --> 01:08:39.800 Yeah, and this is something 01:08:39.800 --> 01:08:41.700 you and I have gone into 01:08:41.700 --> 01:08:42.120 in depth 01:08:42.120 --> 01:08:43.060 and something we agree 01:08:43.060 --> 01:08:44.420 100% on 01:08:44.420 --> 01:08:46.000 and that is taking advantage 01:08:46.000 --> 01:08:46.820 of the internet 01:08:46.820 --> 01:08:47.900 as the new medium 01:08:47.900 --> 01:08:48.980 for entertainment 01:08:48.980 --> 01:08:49.720 and news 01:08:49.720 --> 01:08:51.660 and just the potential. 01:08:52.160 --> 01:08:52.480 Yeah, I mean, 01:08:52.520 --> 01:08:53.200 it's just... 01:08:54.000 --> 01:08:54.820 That's why I want to do 01:08:54.820 --> 01:08:55.200 this series. 01:08:56.040 --> 01:08:56.640 I want to release 01:08:56.640 --> 01:08:57.160 a new episode. 01:08:57.160 --> 01:08:58.120 Once it's all done, 01:08:58.540 --> 01:08:59.100 I want to release 01:08:59.100 --> 01:08:59.600 a new episode 01:08:59.600 --> 01:09:00.160 for download 01:09:00.160 --> 01:09:00.660 every, you know, 01:09:00.720 --> 01:09:01.680 two weeks or whatever 01:09:01.680 --> 01:09:03.160 and being able to have, 01:09:03.260 --> 01:09:03.380 you know, 01:09:03.420 --> 01:09:04.480 maybe put it on a rent TV 01:09:04.480 --> 01:09:05.200 if they're interested, 01:09:05.380 --> 01:09:05.980 things like that. 01:09:06.060 --> 01:09:07.520 Not to, you know, 01:09:07.580 --> 01:09:08.280 I don't want it to go 01:09:08.280 --> 01:09:09.200 for public access. 01:09:09.340 --> 01:09:10.100 I'm not trying to get it 01:09:10.100 --> 01:09:10.640 out on DVD. 01:09:10.780 --> 01:09:10.920 I mean, 01:09:10.940 --> 01:09:11.800 I might release a DVD 01:09:11.800 --> 01:09:12.560 that people can, 01:09:12.580 --> 01:09:12.860 you know, 01:09:13.160 --> 01:09:14.460 donate for just... 01:09:14.460 --> 01:09:15.020 The DVD, 01:09:15.260 --> 01:09:16.220 the content will be free 01:09:16.220 --> 01:09:16.940 but you just have to pay 01:09:16.940 --> 01:09:17.820 for the actual disc, 01:09:17.880 --> 01:09:18.180 you know? 01:09:18.220 --> 01:09:19.460 Right, right, right, right. 01:09:19.460 --> 01:09:20.460 It's just total free 01:09:20.460 --> 01:09:21.040 entertainment, 01:09:21.180 --> 01:09:21.340 you know, 01:09:21.380 --> 01:09:22.000 what it's all about. 01:09:22.300 --> 01:09:23.220 Yeah, absolutely. 01:09:23.380 --> 01:09:24.160 That's the best kind. 01:09:24.260 --> 01:09:24.920 People are doing it 01:09:24.920 --> 01:09:25.800 for the love of it 01:09:25.800 --> 01:09:28.740 and for the experience of it 01:09:28.740 --> 01:09:29.380 and are going to make 01:09:29.380 --> 01:09:30.060 the best stuff. 01:09:30.060 --> 01:09:31.480 Just look, 01:09:31.580 --> 01:09:32.480 when you become... 01:09:32.480 --> 01:09:33.000 I'm going to advertise 01:09:33.000 --> 01:09:33.600 right now 01:09:33.600 --> 01:09:34.780 if anyone lives 01:09:34.780 --> 01:09:35.700 in Southern California 01:09:35.700 --> 01:09:37.000 and that thinks 01:09:37.000 --> 01:09:37.540 they can actually 01:09:37.540 --> 01:09:38.420 drop me an email 01:09:38.420 --> 01:09:40.240 at dougtv.org 01:09:40.240 --> 01:09:42.040 slash prawn. 01:09:42.740 --> 01:09:43.060 Oh, no, 01:09:43.180 --> 01:09:44.480 that's not the one 01:09:44.480 --> 01:09:45.100 you were talking about? 01:09:45.220 --> 01:09:45.880 Oh, okay, I'm sorry. 01:09:46.720 --> 01:09:47.600 No, not that one. 01:09:47.680 --> 01:09:48.020 Oh, okay, 01:09:48.120 --> 01:09:49.200 that's just for you 01:09:49.200 --> 01:09:49.840 and Lucky to do. 01:09:50.020 --> 01:09:51.220 Okay, I see. 01:09:52.860 --> 01:09:54.320 Are you making prawn, Doug? 01:09:55.840 --> 01:09:56.980 No, I'm not making prawn. 01:09:57.000 --> 01:09:57.660 Are you sure? 01:09:58.500 --> 01:09:59.320 No, but someone's 01:09:59.320 --> 01:10:00.000 calling me again. 01:10:00.060 --> 01:10:01.400 Oh, good grief. 01:10:02.180 --> 01:10:02.860 All right, well, 01:10:03.060 --> 01:10:04.760 I guess that's it. 01:10:07.140 --> 01:10:08.440 Let's go into the show 01:10:08.440 --> 01:10:09.640 and let's get out 01:10:09.640 --> 01:10:09.960 of the show 01:10:09.960 --> 01:10:10.460 and tell and go 01:10:10.460 --> 01:10:11.360 into the main topic, 01:10:11.440 --> 01:10:12.040 I should say. 01:10:12.640 --> 01:10:13.640 And this is going 01:10:13.640 --> 01:10:15.000 to be a shortened version 01:10:15.000 --> 01:10:17.360 of my presentation. 01:10:17.700 --> 01:10:18.000 And Doug, 01:10:18.020 --> 01:10:18.440 I think you're going 01:10:18.440 --> 01:10:18.880 to find this 01:10:18.880 --> 01:10:19.720 actually pretty funny. 01:10:19.800 --> 01:10:20.420 I don't know 01:10:20.420 --> 01:10:21.580 that you've seen this yet, 01:10:21.660 --> 01:10:22.300 so this might be 01:10:22.300 --> 01:10:22.800 the first time 01:10:22.800 --> 01:10:23.620 you've heard this also. 01:10:24.220 --> 01:10:25.760 But this is a summary, 01:10:25.880 --> 01:10:26.460 a short version 01:10:26.460 --> 01:10:27.360 of my presentation 01:10:27.360 --> 01:10:28.340 from Interzone. 01:10:28.760 --> 01:10:29.540 And this is going 01:10:29.540 --> 01:10:30.300 to be a play along 01:10:30.300 --> 01:10:30.700 at home. 01:10:30.880 --> 01:10:31.700 And this is for the people 01:10:31.700 --> 01:10:32.600 that are listening live 01:10:32.600 --> 01:10:33.160 in IRC. 01:10:33.240 --> 01:10:33.640 You're going to get 01:10:33.640 --> 01:10:34.660 the first crack at this. 01:10:34.720 --> 01:10:35.080 You're going to have 01:10:35.080 --> 01:10:36.200 the most fun with this 01:10:36.200 --> 01:10:37.300 because you're going 01:10:37.300 --> 01:10:38.100 to be owning people 01:10:38.100 --> 01:10:38.600 right away. 01:10:38.720 --> 01:10:39.380 And those people 01:10:39.380 --> 01:10:40.400 downloading on the podcast, 01:10:40.620 --> 01:10:41.520 you can have fun too, 01:10:42.180 --> 01:10:44.100 but you might already 01:10:44.100 --> 01:10:45.180 have some sites owned 01:10:45.180 --> 01:10:45.880 before you ever get 01:10:45.880 --> 01:10:46.520 a hold of them 01:10:46.520 --> 01:10:47.720 because of this. 01:10:47.720 --> 01:10:52.300 To refresh everyone's memory, 01:10:52.460 --> 01:10:53.280 my presentation 01:10:53.280 --> 01:10:54.340 at Interzone 4 01:10:54.340 --> 01:10:56.620 was on disposable 01:10:56.620 --> 01:10:57.920 email vulnerabilities. 01:10:59.040 --> 01:10:59.520 Now, again, 01:10:59.600 --> 01:11:00.540 disposable email 01:11:00.540 --> 01:11:01.360 is kind of a term 01:11:01.360 --> 01:11:02.140 that I made up. 01:11:02.240 --> 01:11:02.860 I've seen it used 01:11:02.860 --> 01:11:03.740 elsewhere and kind of 01:11:03.740 --> 01:11:04.480 caught on now, 01:11:04.560 --> 01:11:05.400 which is fine. 01:11:05.460 --> 01:11:06.080 Maybe somebody else 01:11:06.080 --> 01:11:06.520 made it up 01:11:06.520 --> 01:11:07.380 at the same time 01:11:07.380 --> 01:11:08.100 I did, whatever. 01:11:08.600 --> 01:11:10.400 But it refers to a site 01:11:10.400 --> 01:11:12.140 that gives you 01:11:12.140 --> 01:11:13.960 an email address 01:11:13.960 --> 01:11:14.960 that's temporary. 01:11:16.040 --> 01:11:16.640 And some of the most 01:11:16.640 --> 01:11:17.940 famous, well-known ones 01:11:17.940 --> 01:11:19.600 are Mailinator.com 01:11:19.600 --> 01:11:21.720 or Dodget.com 01:11:21.720 --> 01:11:24.840 D-O-D-G-E-I-T.com 01:11:24.840 --> 01:11:26.240 And that's actually 01:11:26.240 --> 01:11:26.900 probably the most 01:11:26.900 --> 01:11:27.620 well-known one. 01:11:28.360 --> 01:11:29.500 And what these sites do, 01:11:29.640 --> 01:11:30.300 and actually, 01:11:30.520 --> 01:11:30.900 technically, 01:11:31.040 --> 01:11:31.420 if you want to get 01:11:31.420 --> 01:11:31.980 right down to it, 01:11:32.000 --> 01:11:32.760 you can use Gmail, 01:11:33.120 --> 01:11:33.580 Hotmail, 01:11:33.720 --> 01:11:34.520 any of these other 01:11:34.520 --> 01:11:35.600 webmail accounts 01:11:35.600 --> 01:11:36.720 the same way. 01:11:37.340 --> 01:11:38.700 But the whole point is 01:11:38.700 --> 01:11:39.380 instead of going 01:11:39.380 --> 01:11:40.320 to a site and registering 01:11:40.320 --> 01:11:41.480 with your real address 01:11:41.480 --> 01:11:42.780 or subscribing to 01:11:42.780 --> 01:11:43.460 a mailing list 01:11:43.460 --> 01:11:44.000 and giving them 01:11:44.000 --> 01:11:45.360 your real email address 01:11:45.360 --> 01:11:46.700 because either A, 01:11:47.180 --> 01:11:47.800 you don't want to be 01:11:47.800 --> 01:11:48.640 spammed to death. 01:11:49.500 --> 01:11:50.060 You don't want your 01:11:50.060 --> 01:11:51.680 email address sold around 01:11:51.680 --> 01:11:52.400 and then you get 01:11:52.400 --> 01:11:53.660 passed from list to list 01:11:53.660 --> 01:11:54.240 and all of a sudden 01:11:54.240 --> 01:11:55.500 your inbox is full of spam. 01:11:56.480 --> 01:11:56.960 And B, 01:11:57.300 --> 01:11:58.240 for whatever reason, 01:11:58.320 --> 01:11:58.780 you just want to 01:11:58.780 --> 01:11:59.520 protect your privacy. 01:11:59.720 --> 01:12:00.360 You don't want your 01:12:00.360 --> 01:12:01.380 real email address 01:12:01.380 --> 01:12:02.700 tied to whatever site. 01:12:02.780 --> 01:12:03.420 If you're going to 01:12:03.420 --> 01:12:04.240 register at the, 01:12:04.300 --> 01:12:05.040 I don't know, 01:12:05.120 --> 01:12:06.260 the Goatsy Forums 01:12:06.260 --> 01:12:06.700 or something 01:12:06.700 --> 01:12:07.180 and you don't want 01:12:07.180 --> 01:12:07.980 people to know 01:12:07.980 --> 01:12:09.360 that that's really you 01:12:09.360 --> 01:12:10.540 at whatever email address, 01:12:11.080 --> 01:12:12.120 you may want to use 01:12:12.120 --> 01:12:13.020 one of these services. 01:12:14.280 --> 01:12:14.640 Well, 01:12:15.000 --> 01:12:16.580 there are just some 01:12:16.580 --> 01:12:17.580 inherent problems 01:12:17.580 --> 01:12:18.100 with these 01:12:18.100 --> 01:12:19.900 and this is really 01:12:19.900 --> 01:12:22.460 what my presentation 01:12:22.460 --> 01:12:23.320 amounted to. 01:12:23.860 --> 01:12:24.640 And I'm going to give you 01:12:24.640 --> 01:12:25.640 a walkthrough right now 01:12:25.640 --> 01:12:26.780 that everybody can do. 01:12:26.880 --> 01:12:27.140 And Doug, 01:12:27.180 --> 01:12:27.660 I don't know if you're 01:12:27.660 --> 01:12:28.360 in front of a computer 01:12:28.360 --> 01:12:28.800 right now, 01:12:28.860 --> 01:12:29.960 but maybe you can go along 01:12:29.960 --> 01:12:31.620 as I go through this. 01:12:32.900 --> 01:12:33.220 Yeah, 01:12:33.260 --> 01:12:33.860 I'm in front of a computer. 01:12:33.860 --> 01:12:34.120 Okay, 01:12:34.220 --> 01:12:36.780 so here's a super 01:12:36.780 --> 01:12:37.780 shortened version 01:12:37.780 --> 01:12:38.120 of this 01:12:38.120 --> 01:12:39.120 because I know 01:12:39.120 --> 01:12:39.900 that all of our listeners 01:12:39.900 --> 01:12:41.200 are going to zero in 01:12:41.200 --> 01:12:42.180 on this right away. 01:12:43.120 --> 01:12:44.440 The problem with these sites 01:12:44.440 --> 01:12:45.080 is that they're not 01:12:45.080 --> 01:12:45.980 password protected. 01:12:46.100 --> 01:12:46.520 And when I say 01:12:46.520 --> 01:12:47.000 these sites, 01:12:47.080 --> 01:12:48.400 I mean the email sites 01:12:48.400 --> 01:12:48.860 themselves. 01:12:48.980 --> 01:12:49.420 For example, 01:12:49.560 --> 01:12:51.100 go to dodget.com 01:12:51.100 --> 01:12:52.560 and you will see 01:12:52.560 --> 01:12:53.160 that you're simply 01:12:53.160 --> 01:12:54.140 presented with a form 01:12:54.140 --> 01:12:55.280 to put in the email 01:12:55.280 --> 01:12:56.080 address name 01:12:56.080 --> 01:12:57.400 that you want to use. 01:12:57.900 --> 01:12:58.260 So, 01:12:58.260 --> 01:12:59.400 I wanted to use 01:12:59.400 --> 01:13:01.240 stankdogtemp 01:13:01.240 --> 01:13:02.960 for the email address. 01:13:03.060 --> 01:13:04.100 I go register at a site, 01:13:04.500 --> 01:13:05.800 sends me the information 01:13:05.800 --> 01:13:07.560 and I verify it from there. 01:13:07.640 --> 01:13:07.740 Well, 01:13:07.800 --> 01:13:08.260 guess what? 01:13:08.840 --> 01:13:10.020 If someone else knew 01:13:10.020 --> 01:13:11.240 the name that I used, 01:13:11.420 --> 01:13:12.100 they can access 01:13:12.100 --> 01:13:12.920 that same email. 01:13:13.120 --> 01:13:14.740 They'll get my confirmation email. 01:13:14.860 --> 01:13:15.520 They can access 01:13:15.520 --> 01:13:16.380 that same account. 01:13:17.480 --> 01:13:17.800 Now, 01:13:17.840 --> 01:13:18.460 that's not really 01:13:18.460 --> 01:13:19.180 the biggest, 01:13:19.420 --> 01:13:20.560 biggest concern 01:13:20.560 --> 01:13:21.760 because to find that, 01:13:21.860 --> 01:13:22.400 you'd have to get 01:13:22.400 --> 01:13:23.000 either A, 01:13:23.060 --> 01:13:23.440 lucky, 01:13:23.880 --> 01:13:24.900 to find somebody 01:13:24.900 --> 01:13:26.380 who just registered 01:13:26.380 --> 01:13:27.660 and has a password email 01:13:27.660 --> 01:13:28.380 sitting there 01:13:28.380 --> 01:13:29.980 because you'll also note 01:13:29.980 --> 01:13:31.080 that there's no delete button. 01:13:31.440 --> 01:13:32.400 You can't delete a message 01:13:32.400 --> 01:13:33.280 after you've gotten it. 01:13:34.240 --> 01:13:34.680 So, 01:13:34.860 --> 01:13:35.300 the only way 01:13:35.300 --> 01:13:36.100 you'd really find that 01:13:36.100 --> 01:13:37.560 is if you're very opportunistic. 01:13:37.680 --> 01:13:38.600 If you happen to notice 01:13:38.600 --> 01:13:40.140 somebody on your site 01:13:40.140 --> 01:13:41.420 register with 01:13:41.420 --> 01:13:42.660 one of these email addresses, 01:13:43.200 --> 01:13:43.920 you realize 01:13:43.920 --> 01:13:44.540 that you could go 01:13:44.540 --> 01:13:45.380 right behind them, 01:13:45.800 --> 01:13:46.560 get their confirmation 01:13:46.560 --> 01:13:47.360 and the password 01:13:47.360 --> 01:13:48.240 that was mailed to them 01:13:48.240 --> 01:13:49.540 and own their account. 01:13:50.840 --> 01:13:51.280 Well, 01:13:51.420 --> 01:13:52.200 because these sites 01:13:52.200 --> 01:13:52.740 have been around 01:13:52.740 --> 01:13:53.300 for a while 01:13:53.300 --> 01:13:54.160 and because people 01:13:54.160 --> 01:13:55.100 are on default, 01:13:55.280 --> 01:13:56.380 because people are stupid, 01:13:57.060 --> 01:13:57.240 see, 01:13:57.240 --> 01:13:57.820 this isn't even 01:13:57.820 --> 01:13:58.420 on default 01:13:58.420 --> 01:13:59.220 because there is 01:13:59.220 --> 01:13:59.900 no default. 01:14:00.560 --> 01:14:01.500 There's no password. 01:14:02.420 --> 01:14:03.300 All you've got to do 01:14:03.300 --> 01:14:03.980 is go to Google, 01:14:04.700 --> 01:14:06.200 put in your search terms 01:14:06.200 --> 01:14:06.740 for Google, 01:14:07.020 --> 01:14:07.940 quotation marks, 01:14:08.640 --> 01:14:10.540 at dodget.com, 01:14:10.760 --> 01:14:11.880 end quotation marks, 01:14:12.420 --> 01:14:13.380 and do a search 01:14:13.380 --> 01:14:14.080 and you're going to get 01:14:14.080 --> 01:14:14.860 tons of hits. 01:14:16.480 --> 01:14:17.320 Narrow it down, 01:14:17.400 --> 01:14:17.880 do a little bit 01:14:17.880 --> 01:14:18.640 of Google hacking. 01:14:19.460 --> 01:14:19.880 Add 01:14:19.880 --> 01:14:21.880 plus sign profile, 01:14:22.780 --> 01:14:23.580 which will find you 01:14:23.580 --> 01:14:24.160 any pages 01:14:24.160 --> 01:14:24.640 pages that have 01:14:24.640 --> 01:14:25.220 the phrase 01:14:25.220 --> 01:14:26.520 at dodget.com 01:14:26.520 --> 01:14:28.100 and the word 01:14:28.100 --> 01:14:29.360 profile on the page. 01:14:29.440 --> 01:14:29.900 That will narrow 01:14:29.900 --> 01:14:30.580 it down some more 01:14:30.580 --> 01:14:31.300 or anything else 01:14:31.300 --> 01:14:31.980 you can think of, 01:14:32.060 --> 01:14:32.500 profile, 01:14:34.340 --> 01:14:35.660 personal, 01:14:36.280 --> 01:14:37.100 plus personal 01:14:37.100 --> 01:14:37.760 information 01:14:37.760 --> 01:14:38.800 or something like that. 01:14:39.020 --> 01:14:39.560 Any phrase 01:14:39.560 --> 01:14:40.180 you think you might 01:14:40.180 --> 01:14:41.440 find something like that, 01:14:41.480 --> 01:14:42.520 user list. 01:14:44.000 --> 01:14:44.840 And go through 01:14:44.840 --> 01:14:45.400 those hits 01:14:45.400 --> 01:14:46.820 and I'm sure 01:14:46.820 --> 01:14:47.440 people have already 01:14:47.440 --> 01:14:48.200 jumped ahead of me 01:14:48.200 --> 01:14:48.980 and see what the 01:14:48.980 --> 01:14:50.040 problem with this is. 01:14:51.040 --> 01:14:51.800 You see 01:14:51.800 --> 01:14:52.920 that somebody 01:14:52.920 --> 01:14:54.040 registered at a site 01:14:54.040 --> 01:14:55.160 and do you see 01:14:55.160 --> 01:14:55.700 one in front of you? 01:14:55.740 --> 01:14:56.560 Don't read it out loud, 01:14:56.680 --> 01:14:56.840 Doug. 01:14:57.100 --> 01:14:57.580 We're not going to 01:14:57.580 --> 01:14:58.480 condone this or anything. 01:14:58.660 --> 01:14:59.900 I did this by creating 01:14:59.900 --> 01:15:00.780 an account on sites 01:15:00.780 --> 01:15:01.320 that I own. 01:15:01.320 --> 01:15:02.600 Yeah, lucky 225. 01:15:02.840 --> 01:15:03.820 No, go ahead. 01:15:04.660 --> 01:15:05.660 I did this 01:15:05.660 --> 01:15:06.640 and did screenshots 01:15:06.640 --> 01:15:07.640 and I created 01:15:07.640 --> 01:15:08.520 a vulnerable account 01:15:08.520 --> 01:15:09.240 that was mine 01:15:09.240 --> 01:15:10.300 on a box I own 01:15:10.300 --> 01:15:11.800 for a proof of concept 01:15:11.800 --> 01:15:12.660 in my presentation. 01:15:13.320 --> 01:15:14.060 So we're not going 01:15:14.060 --> 01:15:14.820 to read one on the air, 01:15:14.880 --> 01:15:15.160 but Doug, 01:15:15.200 --> 01:15:16.100 I'm sure you can find 01:15:16.100 --> 01:15:16.860 where somebody 01:15:16.860 --> 01:15:17.440 has registered 01:15:17.440 --> 01:15:18.220 at a site 01:15:18.220 --> 01:15:19.480 with a dodgeit.com 01:15:19.480 --> 01:15:20.280 email address. 01:15:21.380 --> 01:15:21.620 Yeah. 01:15:21.800 --> 01:15:22.800 Here's the fundamental 01:15:22.800 --> 01:15:23.340 problem. 01:15:24.300 --> 01:15:25.240 These things are 01:15:25.240 --> 01:15:26.420 highly susceptible 01:15:26.420 --> 01:15:27.380 to a backdoor, 01:15:27.520 --> 01:15:28.920 a classic traditional 01:15:28.920 --> 01:15:30.000 definition of a 01:15:30.000 --> 01:15:30.800 backdoor attack. 01:15:31.660 --> 01:15:32.620 Registering at any 01:15:32.620 --> 01:15:33.620 site these days, 01:15:33.800 --> 01:15:34.860 any content management, 01:15:35.000 --> 01:15:35.700 any forums, 01:15:36.160 --> 01:15:36.920 one of the features 01:15:36.920 --> 01:15:37.980 that they absolutely 01:15:37.980 --> 01:15:38.820 have to offer 01:15:38.820 --> 01:15:40.020 for logistical reasons 01:15:40.020 --> 01:15:41.920 is I've lost 01:15:41.920 --> 01:15:42.820 my password. 01:15:43.560 --> 01:15:44.200 Resend it. 01:15:44.200 --> 01:15:47.820 And I'm pausing 01:15:47.820 --> 01:15:48.560 because I know 01:15:48.560 --> 01:15:49.040 that everybody 01:15:49.040 --> 01:15:50.120 just realized it. 01:15:50.780 --> 01:15:51.940 All you have to do 01:15:51.940 --> 01:15:52.660 is know that 01:15:52.660 --> 01:15:53.480 somebody used it, 01:15:54.400 --> 01:15:55.420 go click on the 01:15:55.420 --> 01:15:56.900 I lost my password 01:15:56.900 --> 01:15:57.260 link, 01:15:57.620 --> 01:15:58.460 use the email 01:15:58.460 --> 01:15:59.000 address, 01:15:59.640 --> 01:16:00.040 bam, 01:16:00.240 --> 01:16:01.060 email sent 01:16:01.060 --> 01:16:01.980 to a public 01:16:01.980 --> 01:16:02.740 email address 01:16:02.740 --> 01:16:03.640 with no password 01:16:03.640 --> 01:16:04.120 protection, 01:16:04.640 --> 01:16:05.720 and you can own 01:16:05.720 --> 01:16:06.560 any site 01:16:06.560 --> 01:16:07.500 of anybody 01:16:07.500 --> 01:16:08.380 that's used 01:16:08.380 --> 01:16:08.900 a dodgeit. 01:16:08.940 --> 01:16:09.460 Whether they've 01:16:09.460 --> 01:16:10.420 changed their password 01:16:10.420 --> 01:16:11.540 even after they got it, 01:16:11.840 --> 01:16:12.680 it doesn't matter. 01:16:12.680 --> 01:16:13.940 You say you've lost it, 01:16:14.000 --> 01:16:14.300 they're going to 01:16:14.300 --> 01:16:15.280 resend you a new one 01:16:15.280 --> 01:16:15.920 anyway. 01:16:17.580 --> 01:16:18.820 Anybody that's ever 01:16:18.820 --> 01:16:19.900 used a dodgeit account, 01:16:20.160 --> 01:16:21.140 a mailinator account, 01:16:21.220 --> 01:16:22.060 or any other, 01:16:22.180 --> 01:16:23.280 almost every other, 01:16:23.780 --> 01:16:25.080 temporary disposable 01:16:25.080 --> 01:16:25.980 email account 01:16:25.980 --> 01:16:28.120 is owned 01:16:28.120 --> 01:16:29.200 as of right now. 01:16:30.340 --> 01:16:31.300 Anybody listening 01:16:31.300 --> 01:16:32.140 to this right now, 01:16:32.200 --> 01:16:33.280 you've probably already, 01:16:33.500 --> 01:16:34.320 in the time that I've 01:16:34.320 --> 01:16:34.820 been talking, 01:16:35.280 --> 01:16:36.060 owned some people. 01:16:36.160 --> 01:16:36.840 It's that quick 01:16:36.840 --> 01:16:37.500 and that easy. 01:16:38.520 --> 01:16:39.140 And what does that 01:16:39.140 --> 01:16:39.280 mean? 01:16:39.340 --> 01:16:39.840 You can go, 01:16:39.840 --> 01:16:40.840 it depends, 01:16:41.000 --> 01:16:41.700 the danger level 01:16:41.700 --> 01:16:42.640 on this varies. 01:16:43.160 --> 01:16:44.000 You could own 01:16:44.000 --> 01:16:44.720 some schmuck 01:16:44.720 --> 01:16:45.860 and all he did 01:16:45.860 --> 01:16:46.760 was create an account 01:16:46.760 --> 01:16:48.600 on Goatsy forums 01:16:48.600 --> 01:16:49.160 or whatever 01:16:49.160 --> 01:16:50.460 just so he could 01:16:50.460 --> 01:16:51.640 access certain things. 01:16:51.900 --> 01:16:53.020 Other people may have 01:16:53.020 --> 01:16:54.020 full-fledged accounts. 01:16:54.140 --> 01:16:55.220 What if some idiot 01:16:55.220 --> 01:16:56.980 gave moderator powers 01:16:56.980 --> 01:16:57.580 to somebody 01:16:57.580 --> 01:16:58.440 that uses this? 01:16:58.720 --> 01:16:59.840 Or admin authority 01:16:59.840 --> 01:17:00.720 and you just 01:17:00.720 --> 01:17:01.700 backdoored your way 01:17:01.700 --> 01:17:02.880 and owned their account? 01:17:04.060 --> 01:17:04.820 That's scary. 01:17:04.820 --> 01:17:05.580 I better change 01:17:05.580 --> 01:17:06.220 my Binrev email. 01:17:07.260 --> 01:17:07.820 Actually, 01:17:08.100 --> 01:17:08.880 Binrev has been 01:17:08.880 --> 01:17:09.700 protected from this 01:17:09.700 --> 01:17:10.800 for quite some time, 01:17:10.860 --> 01:17:11.260 my friend. 01:17:11.260 --> 01:17:12.840 And I blocked 01:17:12.840 --> 01:17:13.920 these addresses 01:17:13.920 --> 01:17:15.280 a long time ago 01:17:15.280 --> 01:17:17.420 because I knew better. 01:17:18.700 --> 01:17:19.180 However, 01:17:19.400 --> 01:17:20.860 this was the motivation 01:17:20.860 --> 01:17:22.300 for our latest project 01:17:22.300 --> 01:17:23.160 which was also 01:17:23.160 --> 01:17:24.120 officially announced 01:17:24.120 --> 01:17:25.240 and it's on the front page 01:17:25.240 --> 01:17:26.120 of Binrev.com 01:17:26.120 --> 01:17:27.160 and StankDawg.com 01:17:27.160 --> 01:17:28.340 and that is our site 01:17:28.340 --> 01:17:28.640 called 01:17:28.640 --> 01:17:30.740 willhackforfood.biz. 01:17:31.520 --> 01:17:31.900 Now, 01:17:32.020 --> 01:17:32.780 I've went over this 01:17:32.780 --> 01:17:33.780 before briefly 01:17:33.780 --> 01:17:34.560 and you can read 01:17:34.560 --> 01:17:35.260 my article 01:17:35.260 --> 01:17:36.260 on StankDog.com. 01:17:36.320 --> 01:17:36.740 It's got the more 01:17:36.740 --> 01:17:37.760 detailed version of it. 01:17:38.320 --> 01:17:38.980 But basically, 01:17:39.560 --> 01:17:40.560 we register sites 01:17:40.560 --> 01:17:41.400 for the fun of it 01:17:41.400 --> 01:17:43.520 and willhackforfood.biz 01:17:43.520 --> 01:17:43.960 was one of them. 01:17:44.000 --> 01:17:44.320 We just thought 01:17:44.320 --> 01:17:45.200 it was a funny name 01:17:45.200 --> 01:17:46.760 and we register 01:17:46.760 --> 01:17:47.240 these sites 01:17:47.240 --> 01:17:48.040 as sandboxes. 01:17:48.120 --> 01:17:48.920 We install software 01:17:48.920 --> 01:17:49.520 on them 01:17:49.520 --> 01:17:50.800 and play around 01:17:50.800 --> 01:17:51.160 with them 01:17:51.160 --> 01:17:51.800 just to test 01:17:51.800 --> 01:17:52.540 our own security 01:17:52.540 --> 01:17:53.340 to try to hack 01:17:53.340 --> 01:17:54.060 away at things. 01:17:54.060 --> 01:17:54.900 Well, 01:17:54.960 --> 01:17:55.540 when we came up 01:17:55.540 --> 01:17:56.280 with this idea 01:17:56.280 --> 01:17:57.040 for a disposable 01:17:57.040 --> 01:17:58.200 email system 01:17:58.200 --> 01:17:59.360 that was secure 01:17:59.360 --> 01:18:00.400 while still offering 01:18:00.400 --> 01:18:01.380 the same functionality, 01:18:01.840 --> 01:18:02.560 we figured 01:18:02.560 --> 01:18:03.280 that was the perfect 01:18:03.280 --> 01:18:04.140 URL to use 01:18:04.140 --> 01:18:04.940 so you can have 01:18:04.940 --> 01:18:05.740 StankDog 01:18:05.740 --> 01:18:07.600 at willhackforfood.biz. 01:18:07.680 --> 01:18:08.540 The .biz makes it 01:18:08.540 --> 01:18:09.220 extra funny 01:18:09.220 --> 01:18:10.620 and we went with 01:18:10.620 --> 01:18:11.520 .biz 01:18:11.520 --> 01:18:12.460 because it was 01:18:12.460 --> 01:18:13.380 $4.95 a year 01:18:13.380 --> 01:18:13.860 to register 01:18:13.860 --> 01:18:14.680 and we were being cheap. 01:18:15.480 --> 01:18:16.380 We didn't actually expect 01:18:16.380 --> 01:18:17.100 we'd ever use it 01:18:17.100 --> 01:18:17.600 but we did. 01:18:18.760 --> 01:18:19.060 So, 01:18:19.240 --> 01:18:21.980 willhackforfood.biz 01:18:21.980 --> 01:18:23.380 is another 01:18:23.380 --> 01:18:23.980 disposable 01:18:23.980 --> 01:18:25.800 email system. 01:18:25.960 --> 01:18:26.380 However, 01:18:27.500 --> 01:18:28.520 the long and short 01:18:28.520 --> 01:18:29.340 of it is 01:18:29.340 --> 01:18:30.320 it's much safer 01:18:30.320 --> 01:18:31.280 because A, 01:18:31.340 --> 01:18:32.380 it offers a password 01:18:32.380 --> 01:18:35.140 which it's still 01:18:35.140 --> 01:18:35.980 easy to register 01:18:35.980 --> 01:18:36.320 and that's what 01:18:36.320 --> 01:18:36.820 makes it different. 01:18:36.900 --> 01:18:37.360 I said earlier 01:18:37.360 --> 01:18:37.820 you could use 01:18:37.820 --> 01:18:38.480 Google or 01:18:38.480 --> 01:18:40.400 Gmail or Hotmail 01:18:40.400 --> 01:18:41.060 or one of those. 01:18:41.560 --> 01:18:42.360 The problem there 01:18:42.360 --> 01:18:42.840 is that you have 01:18:42.840 --> 01:18:43.260 to fill out 01:18:43.260 --> 01:18:44.080 your life story 01:18:44.080 --> 01:18:44.580 and send them 01:18:44.580 --> 01:18:45.220 a photocopy 01:18:45.220 --> 01:18:46.600 of your nutsack wrinkles 01:18:46.600 --> 01:18:48.160 to identify you 01:18:48.160 --> 01:18:49.260 personally on your account 01:18:49.260 --> 01:18:49.680 so you have to 01:18:49.680 --> 01:18:49.920 go through 01:18:49.920 --> 01:18:50.620 all these steps. 01:18:51.240 --> 01:18:51.860 Willhackforfood 01:18:51.860 --> 01:18:52.640 is as simple 01:18:52.640 --> 01:18:53.260 as the others. 01:18:53.260 --> 01:18:54.080 It just makes you 01:18:54.080 --> 01:18:54.760 put a password 01:18:54.760 --> 01:18:56.800 and it makes you 01:18:56.800 --> 01:18:57.620 choose how long 01:18:57.620 --> 01:18:58.240 you want the account 01:18:58.240 --> 01:18:58.980 to stay active. 01:18:59.920 --> 01:19:00.700 On the others, 01:19:00.880 --> 01:19:01.740 they stay active. 01:19:01.900 --> 01:19:02.880 They only delete emails 01:19:02.880 --> 01:19:04.160 like every 30 days, 01:19:04.240 --> 01:19:04.940 every 90 days. 01:19:04.980 --> 01:19:05.620 It depends on how 01:19:05.620 --> 01:19:06.200 they're set up 01:19:06.200 --> 01:19:07.460 on a case-by-case basis. 01:19:08.780 --> 01:19:09.920 The account is not really, 01:19:10.060 --> 01:19:10.980 there's not really an account. 01:19:11.160 --> 01:19:13.060 They're automatically set up. 01:19:13.560 --> 01:19:14.460 With Willhackforfood, 01:19:14.520 --> 01:19:15.220 you go in and create 01:19:15.220 --> 01:19:15.620 an account. 01:19:15.860 --> 01:19:16.480 We force you to put 01:19:16.480 --> 01:19:17.200 a password on it 01:19:17.200 --> 01:19:18.120 and an expiration date. 01:19:18.560 --> 01:19:19.320 And what that does 01:19:19.320 --> 01:19:19.720 is A, 01:19:19.760 --> 01:19:20.780 it password protects it, 01:19:20.820 --> 01:19:21.020 period, 01:19:21.140 --> 01:19:22.160 so nobody can get in 01:19:22.160 --> 01:19:23.040 unless you put 01:19:23.040 --> 01:19:23.900 a dumb password. 01:19:24.640 --> 01:19:25.400 And if you do that, 01:19:25.460 --> 01:19:25.980 you're on your own. 01:19:26.060 --> 01:19:26.620 You deserve to get 01:19:26.620 --> 01:19:27.120 owned anyway. 01:19:28.140 --> 01:19:29.140 I like that idea 01:19:29.140 --> 01:19:30.680 of temporary email accounts 01:19:30.680 --> 01:19:31.120 because that way 01:19:31.120 --> 01:19:31.480 you can just, 01:19:31.580 --> 01:19:32.120 instead of giving out 01:19:32.120 --> 01:19:32.700 your email address 01:19:32.700 --> 01:19:33.060 to someone, 01:19:33.200 --> 01:19:33.400 you know, 01:19:33.480 --> 01:19:33.940 you just be like, 01:19:33.980 --> 01:19:34.100 well, 01:19:34.180 --> 01:19:34.940 send it to here 01:19:34.940 --> 01:19:37.520 at test123.com. 01:19:37.520 --> 01:19:38.680 Willhackforfood.biz. 01:19:38.900 --> 01:19:39.300 Exactly, 01:19:39.500 --> 01:19:39.920 exactly. 01:19:40.060 --> 01:19:40.460 And then, 01:19:40.820 --> 01:19:42.020 the other great thing 01:19:42.020 --> 01:19:43.020 about it that I like 01:19:43.020 --> 01:19:44.500 is by design, 01:19:44.680 --> 01:19:45.980 we're forcing people 01:19:45.980 --> 01:19:47.040 to never use it again. 01:19:47.220 --> 01:19:49.080 If you use test123 01:19:49.080 --> 01:19:50.860 and you set it to expire, 01:19:50.980 --> 01:19:51.700 you can have it go 01:19:51.700 --> 01:19:52.680 from eight hours 01:19:52.680 --> 01:19:54.560 to as long as a week 01:19:54.560 --> 01:19:55.200 is the maximum 01:19:55.200 --> 01:19:55.800 that we're offering 01:19:55.800 --> 01:19:56.280 right now. 01:19:56.840 --> 01:19:57.940 And you're also able 01:19:57.940 --> 01:19:59.320 to send and receive 01:19:59.320 --> 01:20:00.300 and delete messages, 01:20:00.400 --> 01:20:00.980 I should add that. 01:20:01.040 --> 01:20:02.020 We use SquirrelMail 01:20:02.020 --> 01:20:03.340 to power the thing. 01:20:03.420 --> 01:20:04.640 We actually use SquirrelMail, 01:20:04.740 --> 01:20:06.300 a full-functioning web client. 01:20:06.700 --> 01:20:07.780 It's an open source. 01:20:07.940 --> 01:20:08.840 It's a great product. 01:20:08.940 --> 01:20:09.520 It did exactly 01:20:09.520 --> 01:20:10.140 what we wanted. 01:20:10.220 --> 01:20:11.120 There's no use of us 01:20:11.120 --> 01:20:12.240 reinventing the wheel 01:20:12.240 --> 01:20:12.820 or making it, 01:20:12.860 --> 01:20:13.460 so we use that 01:20:13.460 --> 01:20:14.520 to power the actual 01:20:14.520 --> 01:20:16.380 webmail client. 01:20:16.540 --> 01:20:17.760 So we use SquirrelMail 01:20:17.760 --> 01:20:18.200 and you have 01:20:18.200 --> 01:20:19.120 the full functionality. 01:20:19.600 --> 01:20:20.100 There's a limit 01:20:20.100 --> 01:20:20.700 on attachments. 01:20:20.840 --> 01:20:21.500 You can't have 01:20:21.500 --> 01:20:22.300 a whole lot of space, 01:20:22.360 --> 01:20:23.000 but I think it's like 01:20:23.000 --> 01:20:24.060 one or 200K 01:20:24.060 --> 01:20:25.360 we have it set at right now. 01:20:25.500 --> 01:20:26.520 So you can even send 01:20:26.520 --> 01:20:27.160 and receive quick 01:20:27.160 --> 01:20:27.920 little attachments. 01:20:29.580 --> 01:20:29.940 However, 01:20:30.500 --> 01:20:31.360 whenever you set 01:20:31.360 --> 01:20:32.360 that expiration date, 01:20:32.740 --> 01:20:33.720 all of these things 01:20:33.720 --> 01:20:34.620 are stored in a database 01:20:34.620 --> 01:20:36.160 and when your expiration 01:20:36.160 --> 01:20:36.780 date comes, 01:20:36.980 --> 01:20:37.820 it sets a flag 01:20:37.820 --> 01:20:38.300 that says 01:20:38.300 --> 01:20:39.880 this account is expired 01:20:39.880 --> 01:20:41.460 and it forces you 01:20:41.460 --> 01:20:43.140 to not come back. 01:20:43.280 --> 01:20:44.440 You cannot log back 01:20:44.440 --> 01:20:45.120 into that account 01:20:45.120 --> 01:20:45.660 ever. 01:20:46.620 --> 01:20:48.600 There is no possibility 01:20:48.600 --> 01:20:49.940 of a backdoor. 01:20:51.320 --> 01:20:52.220 By design, 01:20:52.520 --> 01:20:53.740 there's no backdoor enabled. 01:20:53.980 --> 01:20:54.940 You can't get back 01:20:54.940 --> 01:20:56.040 into your own account. 01:20:57.540 --> 01:20:58.460 And, you know, 01:20:58.520 --> 01:20:59.380 I've heard some people say, 01:20:59.440 --> 01:20:59.860 well, wait a minute, 01:20:59.920 --> 01:21:00.980 what if I need to get back 01:21:00.980 --> 01:21:01.380 into it? 01:21:01.380 --> 01:21:02.340 What if I forget something? 01:21:02.520 --> 01:21:03.260 You know what? 01:21:03.700 --> 01:21:04.240 If you do, 01:21:04.440 --> 01:21:05.680 you shouldn't have used 01:21:05.680 --> 01:21:07.180 a disposable email account 01:21:07.180 --> 01:21:07.960 in the first place. 01:21:08.000 --> 01:21:08.460 If it's something 01:21:08.460 --> 01:21:09.460 you want to get back to, 01:21:09.820 --> 01:21:10.800 you should be using 01:21:10.800 --> 01:21:11.820 a real email account, 01:21:11.860 --> 01:21:12.640 even if it's another 01:21:12.640 --> 01:21:13.580 temporary one, 01:21:13.920 --> 01:21:14.820 another hotmail one 01:21:14.820 --> 01:21:15.440 somewhere else 01:21:15.440 --> 01:21:16.420 that you can get back to. 01:21:16.520 --> 01:21:17.560 As long as you accept 01:21:17.560 --> 01:21:18.360 that responsibility. 01:21:19.100 --> 01:21:19.720 But for people 01:21:19.720 --> 01:21:20.900 who want a one-time, 01:21:21.060 --> 01:21:23.460 truly disposable email, 01:21:24.200 --> 01:21:26.280 willhackforfood.biz 01:21:26.280 --> 01:21:27.160 is your best friend 01:21:27.160 --> 01:21:27.640 right now. 01:21:27.640 --> 01:21:29.420 So I encourage anybody, 01:21:29.560 --> 01:21:30.480 if you want such a thing, 01:21:30.560 --> 01:21:31.320 go check it out. 01:21:32.120 --> 01:21:33.460 It is up and running. 01:21:34.000 --> 01:21:35.260 Everything's working fine. 01:21:35.820 --> 01:21:37.140 There are a few little 01:21:37.140 --> 01:21:38.340 features we're going 01:21:38.340 --> 01:21:39.420 to add to it over time 01:21:39.420 --> 01:21:39.980 and eventually 01:21:39.980 --> 01:21:40.920 open source this. 01:21:41.000 --> 01:21:41.780 The future of this 01:21:41.780 --> 01:21:43.420 is that we'll make this 01:21:43.420 --> 01:21:44.440 an open source package 01:21:44.440 --> 01:21:45.360 that people can download 01:21:45.360 --> 01:21:45.860 and install 01:21:45.860 --> 01:21:46.840 on their own servers. 01:21:47.580 --> 01:21:48.580 Because the thing is, 01:21:48.600 --> 01:21:49.640 you can easily block 01:21:49.640 --> 01:21:50.400 a site, 01:21:51.020 --> 01:21:51.900 just like I easily 01:21:51.900 --> 01:21:52.600 block Dodget 01:21:52.600 --> 01:21:53.300 and Mailinator 01:21:53.300 --> 01:21:55.320 and willhackforfood.biz, 01:21:55.360 --> 01:21:56.280 I'm sorry to warn you, 01:21:56.280 --> 01:21:57.660 from the forums, 01:21:57.720 --> 01:21:58.400 you cannot register 01:21:58.400 --> 01:21:59.340 using those addresses 01:21:59.340 --> 01:21:59.960 because they're very 01:21:59.960 --> 01:22:00.760 easy to block. 01:22:01.460 --> 01:22:01.940 However, 01:22:02.100 --> 01:22:02.780 if we release this 01:22:02.780 --> 01:22:03.540 open source 01:22:03.540 --> 01:22:04.340 and we make it 01:22:04.340 --> 01:22:05.000 so that anybody 01:22:05.000 --> 01:22:06.120 can set up these servers 01:22:06.120 --> 01:22:07.120 on any URL 01:22:07.120 --> 01:22:08.140 or any TLD 01:22:08.140 --> 01:22:08.700 of their, 01:22:08.840 --> 01:22:09.480 of their, 01:22:09.640 --> 01:22:10.640 whatever they already have, 01:22:11.000 --> 01:22:12.440 what this effectively does 01:22:12.440 --> 01:22:13.800 is becomes a distributed, 01:22:14.920 --> 01:22:15.440 temporary, 01:22:15.700 --> 01:22:16.740 disposable email 01:22:16.740 --> 01:22:17.560 account system. 01:22:17.880 --> 01:22:18.660 You can't block 01:22:18.660 --> 01:22:19.440 every TLD. 01:22:19.440 --> 01:22:21.500 So, 01:22:21.820 --> 01:22:22.840 this will 01:22:22.840 --> 01:22:24.440 expand privacy 01:22:24.440 --> 01:22:25.080 and spread it 01:22:25.080 --> 01:22:25.820 across the 01:22:25.820 --> 01:22:27.060 global interweb, 01:22:27.320 --> 01:22:28.000 if you will. 01:22:29.100 --> 01:22:29.500 So, 01:22:29.660 --> 01:22:30.300 I think this is 01:22:30.300 --> 01:22:31.260 a very cool site. 01:22:31.880 --> 01:22:32.180 Again, 01:22:32.260 --> 01:22:33.380 Nick84 and I 01:22:33.380 --> 01:22:34.800 worked on this together, 01:22:35.240 --> 01:22:35.740 designed it 01:22:35.740 --> 01:22:36.440 from the ground up. 01:22:36.500 --> 01:22:36.920 Like I said, 01:22:36.980 --> 01:22:37.600 we are adding 01:22:37.600 --> 01:22:38.220 some new features 01:22:38.220 --> 01:22:39.020 as we go along. 01:22:39.100 --> 01:22:40.040 There's some scalability 01:22:40.040 --> 01:22:40.720 issues 01:22:40.720 --> 01:22:42.160 that we're 01:22:42.160 --> 01:22:43.320 fully aware of 01:22:43.320 --> 01:22:43.640 that we're going 01:22:43.640 --> 01:22:44.220 to have to address 01:22:44.220 --> 01:22:45.120 at some point in time. 01:22:45.420 --> 01:22:46.240 But for right now, 01:22:46.820 --> 01:22:47.460 it logs 01:22:47.460 --> 01:22:48.500 the username, 01:22:49.040 --> 01:22:50.040 expiration date, 01:22:50.200 --> 01:22:51.080 and that's about it. 01:22:51.140 --> 01:22:51.420 We're adding 01:22:51.420 --> 01:22:52.460 some logging features. 01:22:53.100 --> 01:22:53.760 And I should also 01:22:53.760 --> 01:22:54.360 warn people, 01:22:54.460 --> 01:22:54.940 if you've got 01:22:54.940 --> 01:22:56.880 bad intentions in mind, 01:22:56.940 --> 01:22:57.520 I should warn you 01:22:57.520 --> 01:22:58.460 that Apache logs 01:22:58.460 --> 01:22:59.600 are still running 01:22:59.600 --> 01:23:00.020 on this. 01:23:00.600 --> 01:23:00.920 We're not, 01:23:01.120 --> 01:23:01.920 we don't have access 01:23:01.920 --> 01:23:02.420 to the email, 01:23:02.480 --> 01:23:03.280 well I guess technically 01:23:03.280 --> 01:23:04.500 we could get to the 01:23:04.500 --> 01:23:05.060 file system 01:23:05.060 --> 01:23:05.660 and go through emails. 01:23:06.280 --> 01:23:06.840 But anyway, 01:23:07.600 --> 01:23:08.420 at some point 01:23:08.420 --> 01:23:09.080 we're going to add 01:23:09.080 --> 01:23:11.140 some encryption offerings 01:23:11.140 --> 01:23:11.580 in there 01:23:11.580 --> 01:23:12.100 so that you can 01:23:12.100 --> 01:23:13.080 protect stuff like that. 01:23:13.220 --> 01:23:13.380 But, 01:23:13.820 --> 01:23:14.440 the only thing 01:23:14.440 --> 01:23:15.000 that we log 01:23:15.000 --> 01:23:16.420 is standard Apache logs. 01:23:16.960 --> 01:23:17.280 So, 01:23:17.400 --> 01:23:18.300 if it turns out 01:23:18.300 --> 01:23:19.300 that some spammer 01:23:19.300 --> 01:23:20.180 gets a hold of this 01:23:20.180 --> 01:23:21.100 or somebody does 01:23:21.100 --> 01:23:22.320 something highly illegal 01:23:22.320 --> 01:23:23.900 using this service 01:23:23.900 --> 01:23:24.600 and the FBI 01:23:24.600 --> 01:23:25.780 comes to my door 01:23:25.780 --> 01:23:26.620 or the CIA 01:23:26.620 --> 01:23:27.380 or whoever, 01:23:28.200 --> 01:23:29.020 I'm going to give them 01:23:29.020 --> 01:23:29.580 those logs 01:23:29.580 --> 01:23:30.300 in a heartbeat. 01:23:30.520 --> 01:23:30.700 So, 01:23:30.800 --> 01:23:31.220 you want to do 01:23:31.220 --> 01:23:31.860 something stupid, 01:23:32.340 --> 01:23:33.260 that's all on you. 01:23:33.340 --> 01:23:33.860 That's not what 01:23:33.860 --> 01:23:34.380 this is for. 01:23:34.640 --> 01:23:35.560 This is to offer 01:23:35.560 --> 01:23:37.300 prevention for 01:23:37.300 --> 01:23:38.400 avoidance of spam 01:23:38.400 --> 01:23:39.460 first of all 01:23:39.460 --> 01:23:40.740 while still maintaining 01:23:40.740 --> 01:23:41.860 privacy and security. 01:23:42.040 --> 01:23:43.100 That's what this is for 01:23:43.100 --> 01:23:43.720 to use for 01:23:43.720 --> 01:23:44.320 absolutely valid 01:23:44.320 --> 01:23:45.700 reasons 01:23:45.700 --> 01:23:46.620 and if you use it 01:23:46.620 --> 01:23:47.000 for something 01:23:47.000 --> 01:23:47.700 other than that, 01:23:48.600 --> 01:23:49.700 don't hide behind me 01:23:49.700 --> 01:23:50.580 and don't hide behind 01:23:50.580 --> 01:23:51.360 Will Hack for Food. 01:23:53.180 --> 01:23:53.620 So, 01:23:53.700 --> 01:23:53.980 anyway, 01:23:54.160 --> 01:23:54.520 I don't know, 01:23:54.640 --> 01:23:55.200 most of that was 01:23:55.200 --> 01:23:56.100 probably lost on people 01:23:56.100 --> 01:23:56.680 because they're probably 01:23:56.680 --> 01:23:57.720 out owning people 01:23:57.720 --> 01:23:58.660 if you haven't 01:23:58.660 --> 01:23:59.660 owned four or five 01:23:59.660 --> 01:24:01.080 by now. 01:24:01.240 --> 01:24:01.560 I mean, 01:24:01.600 --> 01:24:02.500 it's so simple 01:24:02.500 --> 01:24:03.880 and you can see 01:24:03.880 --> 01:24:04.860 tons of people 01:24:04.860 --> 01:24:05.400 out there 01:24:05.400 --> 01:24:06.300 using these addresses 01:24:06.300 --> 01:24:07.400 and using these accounts. 01:24:08.360 --> 01:24:09.540 It's like shooting 01:24:09.540 --> 01:24:10.340 fish in a barrel. 01:24:10.740 --> 01:24:11.640 It really is. 01:24:11.640 --> 01:24:13.060 Yeah. 01:24:13.640 --> 01:24:14.000 So, 01:24:14.140 --> 01:24:14.380 anyway, 01:24:14.520 --> 01:24:15.460 I thought that was fun. 01:24:15.700 --> 01:24:16.100 I hope 01:24:16.100 --> 01:24:17.120 those of you 01:24:17.120 --> 01:24:17.900 who are playing 01:24:17.900 --> 01:24:18.480 along at home, 01:24:18.560 --> 01:24:19.520 I hope you enjoyed that. 01:24:20.340 --> 01:24:20.700 Doug, 01:24:21.160 --> 01:24:22.880 let's close this up. 01:24:22.940 --> 01:24:23.300 I think we're 01:24:23.300 --> 01:24:24.240 running out of time. 01:24:24.400 --> 01:24:25.080 By the time I edit 01:24:25.080 --> 01:24:25.660 anything together, 01:24:25.760 --> 01:24:26.180 I think we're 01:24:26.180 --> 01:24:27.340 right at the full show. 01:24:27.980 --> 01:24:28.660 I'm going to give 01:24:28.660 --> 01:24:29.400 the site of the week, 01:24:29.440 --> 01:24:29.840 I'm going to start 01:24:29.840 --> 01:24:30.640 doing this every week 01:24:30.640 --> 01:24:31.040 if I can, 01:24:31.080 --> 01:24:31.840 a new site of the week. 01:24:32.640 --> 01:24:33.940 This week's site of the week 01:24:33.940 --> 01:24:34.400 is 01:24:34.400 --> 01:24:36.020 whitesword.tk 01:24:36.020 --> 01:24:38.880 and of course 01:24:38.880 --> 01:24:39.840 regular listeners 01:24:39.840 --> 01:24:41.120 and people in the forums 01:24:41.120 --> 01:24:41.940 I'm certain know 01:24:41.940 --> 01:24:42.580 Whitesword 01:24:42.580 --> 01:24:43.760 and his urban 01:24:43.760 --> 01:24:45.120 exploration show. 01:24:45.720 --> 01:24:46.440 How many episodes 01:24:46.440 --> 01:24:47.320 is he up to now? 01:24:48.760 --> 01:24:49.280 Fifteen, 01:24:49.360 --> 01:24:49.660 I believe. 01:24:49.920 --> 01:24:50.900 Fifteen episodes. 01:24:51.280 --> 01:24:51.520 So, 01:24:51.980 --> 01:24:52.800 that's very cool 01:24:52.800 --> 01:24:53.900 that he stuck with this. 01:24:53.960 --> 01:24:54.900 He keeps doing it 01:24:54.900 --> 01:24:56.660 because he enjoys it 01:24:56.660 --> 01:24:57.240 and it's fun 01:24:57.240 --> 01:24:57.920 and 01:24:57.920 --> 01:24:59.620 I really felt 01:24:59.620 --> 01:25:00.980 in a weird way, 01:25:01.140 --> 01:25:02.320 if I sound corny here, 01:25:02.660 --> 01:25:03.780 I was kind of proud 01:25:03.780 --> 01:25:04.780 on an episode, 01:25:04.780 --> 01:25:06.160 I think it was 14, 01:25:06.480 --> 01:25:07.300 13, 14, 01:25:07.700 --> 01:25:08.440 where he was sitting 01:25:08.440 --> 01:25:09.360 in front of the camera 01:25:09.360 --> 01:25:10.680 and talking 01:25:10.680 --> 01:25:11.760 and he said something 01:25:11.760 --> 01:25:12.500 that I've 01:25:12.500 --> 01:25:14.060 been waiting for him 01:25:14.060 --> 01:25:15.160 to say and understand 01:25:15.160 --> 01:25:16.380 for the longest time. 01:25:16.920 --> 01:25:17.800 He said, 01:25:18.640 --> 01:25:20.040 for all of you out there 01:25:20.040 --> 01:25:20.700 who do nothing 01:25:20.700 --> 01:25:21.800 but bitch and complain 01:25:21.800 --> 01:25:22.340 and tell me 01:25:22.340 --> 01:25:23.680 that you don't like the show, 01:25:24.320 --> 01:25:25.000 shut up 01:25:25.000 --> 01:25:26.620 and make your own show then. 01:25:28.040 --> 01:25:28.820 Thank you. 01:25:29.020 --> 01:25:29.680 Thank you, 01:25:29.780 --> 01:25:30.400 Whitesword. 01:25:30.580 --> 01:25:31.660 Thank you for saying that 01:25:31.660 --> 01:25:32.840 and I'm so glad 01:25:32.840 --> 01:25:33.220 that you, 01:25:33.360 --> 01:25:34.760 I hope you really understand 01:25:34.760 --> 01:25:35.140 that 01:25:35.140 --> 01:25:36.400 because I think 01:25:36.400 --> 01:25:37.220 you might understand 01:25:37.220 --> 01:25:38.580 me a little bit 01:25:38.580 --> 01:25:39.180 better now 01:25:39.180 --> 01:25:40.340 and why I've reacted 01:25:40.340 --> 01:25:41.080 to you the way 01:25:41.080 --> 01:25:42.140 I have in the past 01:25:42.140 --> 01:25:43.240 sometimes. 01:25:44.000 --> 01:25:45.100 So I'm glad 01:25:45.100 --> 01:25:46.220 that you came 01:25:46.220 --> 01:25:47.080 to that realization 01:25:47.080 --> 01:25:48.020 and 01:25:48.020 --> 01:25:49.060 you're right, 01:25:49.440 --> 01:25:50.420 you're absolutely right. 01:25:50.640 --> 01:25:51.640 I say to everybody, 01:25:52.100 --> 01:25:52.700 go check out 01:25:52.700 --> 01:25:53.540 Whitesword TV, 01:25:54.040 --> 01:25:54.700 good show, 01:25:54.960 --> 01:25:55.880 he's doing something 01:25:55.880 --> 01:25:56.580 and if you're not, 01:25:57.240 --> 01:25:57.820 piss off. 01:25:58.820 --> 01:25:59.920 I should make a comment 01:25:59.920 --> 01:26:00.760 too about my show. 01:26:00.840 --> 01:26:01.480 My show is not 01:26:01.480 --> 01:26:02.100 going to be 01:26:02.100 --> 01:26:03.820 in DevX 01:26:03.820 --> 01:26:04.960 or any AVI format, 01:26:05.060 --> 01:26:05.460 I'm sticking to 01:26:05.460 --> 01:26:06.300 Windows Media Video. 01:26:08.080 --> 01:26:09.040 Because my show 01:26:09.040 --> 01:26:10.080 is not a hacking show, 01:26:10.240 --> 01:26:11.280 it's going to be 01:26:11.280 --> 01:26:11.820 a show 01:26:11.820 --> 01:26:13.240 that high school kids 01:26:13.240 --> 01:26:13.740 are going to watch 01:26:13.740 --> 01:26:14.180 properly. 01:26:14.600 --> 01:26:14.720 Yeah, 01:26:14.800 --> 01:26:15.480 your show is not, 01:26:15.620 --> 01:26:16.160 you know that 01:26:16.160 --> 01:26:17.280 the hacksawers all 01:26:17.280 --> 01:26:18.140 want Linux 01:26:18.140 --> 01:26:19.920 compatible codecs 01:26:19.920 --> 01:26:20.760 and blah blah blah, 01:26:20.880 --> 01:26:22.160 but you're not targeting. 01:26:22.160 --> 01:26:22.820 Linux skill, 01:26:23.240 --> 01:26:24.320 if they had actually 01:26:24.320 --> 01:26:24.960 Linux skill, 01:26:25.080 --> 01:26:25.880 they could play it 01:26:25.880 --> 01:26:26.200 in Linux. 01:26:26.320 --> 01:26:26.880 It's not that hard 01:26:26.880 --> 01:26:28.120 to play WMVs in Linux. 01:26:28.320 --> 01:26:28.680 Right, 01:26:28.800 --> 01:26:29.040 right, 01:26:29.120 --> 01:26:29.220 right. 01:26:29.220 --> 01:26:29.760 I can do it. 01:26:30.340 --> 01:26:30.520 Yeah, 01:26:30.660 --> 01:26:31.960 and like you said, 01:26:32.000 --> 01:26:32.440 that's not really 01:26:32.440 --> 01:26:33.140 your target audience. 01:26:33.240 --> 01:26:33.360 I mean, 01:26:33.380 --> 01:26:33.980 you've got a lot of 01:26:33.980 --> 01:26:34.960 friends in the hacking 01:26:34.960 --> 01:26:36.080 scene and I know 01:26:36.080 --> 01:26:37.380 you're in the hacking 01:26:37.380 --> 01:26:38.100 and freaking scene 01:26:38.100 --> 01:26:38.420 as well, 01:26:38.480 --> 01:26:39.360 but that's not really, 01:26:39.440 --> 01:26:40.040 the show is not 01:26:40.040 --> 01:26:40.820 a hacking show. 01:26:41.240 --> 01:26:41.400 I mean, 01:26:41.420 --> 01:26:42.000 I think you've made 01:26:42.000 --> 01:26:42.980 that abundantly clear. 01:26:43.840 --> 01:26:44.800 The first episode 01:26:44.800 --> 01:26:45.360 of the season 01:26:45.360 --> 01:26:46.200 is going to start off 01:26:46.200 --> 01:26:46.820 where it's going to say 01:26:46.820 --> 01:26:47.700 Microsoft Windows 01:26:47.700 --> 01:26:48.460 Media Presents. 01:26:50.740 --> 01:26:51.100 Oh, 01:26:51.100 --> 01:26:51.520 man. 01:26:51.520 --> 01:26:51.800 Well, 01:26:51.900 --> 01:26:52.900 I'm sure it'll be great. 01:26:53.140 --> 01:26:53.920 Just remember that 01:26:53.920 --> 01:26:54.640 when you're out there 01:26:54.640 --> 01:26:56.360 making seven-figure salaries, 01:26:56.540 --> 01:26:57.860 making big-time movies, 01:26:58.540 --> 01:27:00.120 I want lifetime passes 01:27:00.120 --> 01:27:01.380 to any movie you make. 01:27:02.760 --> 01:27:03.480 All right. 01:27:03.600 --> 01:27:04.000 All right? 01:27:04.000 --> 01:27:05.420 I want you to commit to that. 01:27:05.500 --> 01:27:06.820 I want lifetime passes 01:27:06.820 --> 01:27:08.200 to all of your movies, 01:27:08.280 --> 01:27:09.140 including The Prawn. 01:27:10.720 --> 01:27:11.000 But, 01:27:11.160 --> 01:27:12.080 I do want to say 01:27:12.080 --> 01:27:12.580 one more time, 01:27:12.620 --> 01:27:13.000 this is going to be 01:27:13.000 --> 01:27:13.340 my shout, 01:27:13.400 --> 01:27:14.080 my closing shout, 01:27:14.200 --> 01:27:14.560 is that 01:27:14.560 --> 01:27:16.500 if anyone recommends 01:27:16.500 --> 01:27:17.400 any kind of way 01:27:17.400 --> 01:27:18.420 to go around 01:27:18.420 --> 01:27:19.000 and meet with 01:27:19.000 --> 01:27:20.460 any kind of independent actors 01:27:20.460 --> 01:27:21.140 in the area, 01:27:21.520 --> 01:27:22.400 what you recommend. 01:27:22.520 --> 01:27:23.260 I know public access 01:27:23.260 --> 01:27:24.040 is one of the things. 01:27:24.140 --> 01:27:24.500 Like I said, 01:27:24.560 --> 01:27:25.340 drama schools 01:27:25.340 --> 01:27:26.420 and high schools, 01:27:26.540 --> 01:27:27.080 drama classes. 01:27:28.080 --> 01:27:28.900 If anyone has 01:27:28.900 --> 01:27:29.720 any recommendations 01:27:29.720 --> 01:27:30.340 or any tips 01:27:30.340 --> 01:27:30.800 or suggestions, 01:27:30.800 --> 01:27:31.860 I'm really interested 01:27:31.860 --> 01:27:32.300 and I'll read 01:27:32.300 --> 01:27:33.300 any email about it. 01:27:33.400 --> 01:27:33.960 Send it to me, 01:27:34.040 --> 01:27:35.120 Doug at DougTV.org. 01:27:35.120 --> 01:27:36.720 All right. 01:27:36.860 --> 01:27:38.040 And for my shouts, 01:27:38.180 --> 01:27:39.100 I'm going to give shouts 01:27:39.100 --> 01:27:41.560 again to Phoenix2600 group. 01:27:41.780 --> 01:27:42.700 Somebody mentioned them 01:27:42.700 --> 01:27:44.260 earlier to Rax and Logic 01:27:44.260 --> 01:27:45.300 and those guys there. 01:27:46.000 --> 01:27:47.680 To DC305, 01:27:47.740 --> 01:27:48.860 my local DEFCON, 01:27:49.520 --> 01:27:50.100 Miami, 01:27:50.240 --> 01:27:51.080 New Hack City, 01:27:51.620 --> 01:27:52.260 and to QBiz, 01:27:52.300 --> 01:27:53.440 who gave a cool presentation 01:27:53.440 --> 01:27:54.440 this past week. 01:27:55.080 --> 01:27:56.160 And to the person 01:27:56.160 --> 01:27:57.400 who put in that search string 01:27:57.400 --> 01:27:57.780 that says, 01:27:58.100 --> 01:27:58.360 quote, 01:27:58.360 --> 01:27:59.560 do you see this 01:27:59.560 --> 01:28:00.880 search stank dog 01:28:00.880 --> 01:28:01.600 in my logs? 01:28:01.920 --> 01:28:02.140 Yeah, 01:28:02.200 --> 01:28:02.780 I saw it. 01:28:02.960 --> 01:28:03.760 Shouts to you. 01:28:03.840 --> 01:28:04.480 I saw that. 01:28:04.560 --> 01:28:05.280 I see everything. 01:28:06.100 --> 01:28:06.820 And again, 01:28:06.900 --> 01:28:07.440 happy birthday 01:28:07.440 --> 01:28:08.180 to Epiphany. 01:28:09.020 --> 01:28:09.760 Email us 01:28:09.760 --> 01:28:10.920 at radio 01:28:10.920 --> 01:28:12.500 at binrev.com 01:28:12.500 --> 01:28:13.000 if you have 01:28:13.000 --> 01:28:13.740 any comments, 01:28:13.860 --> 01:28:14.260 feedback, 01:28:14.420 --> 01:28:14.940 follow-ups, 01:28:15.060 --> 01:28:15.540 et cetera, 01:28:15.660 --> 01:28:16.200 et cetera. 01:28:16.560 --> 01:28:17.400 Accept complaints. 01:28:17.460 --> 01:28:18.120 You can shove those 01:28:18.120 --> 01:28:18.900 right up your ass. 01:28:19.780 --> 01:28:21.000 Our closing music tonight 01:28:21.000 --> 01:28:22.180 is going to be 01:28:22.180 --> 01:28:23.100 Woo Child 01:28:23.100 --> 01:28:24.720 and it's called 01:28:24.720 --> 01:28:25.500 Hotel, 01:28:25.720 --> 01:28:26.380 a remix. 01:28:27.100 --> 01:28:27.780 And Doug, 01:28:27.860 --> 01:28:28.560 thank you again 01:28:28.560 --> 01:28:29.560 for being on the show 01:28:29.560 --> 01:28:30.060 this week. 01:28:30.260 --> 01:28:31.120 Fun show 01:28:31.120 --> 01:28:32.120 and I want to do 01:28:32.120 --> 01:28:33.720 fun shows more often. 01:28:34.180 --> 01:28:35.100 Not getting down 01:28:35.100 --> 01:28:35.420 in these, 01:28:35.580 --> 01:28:36.320 caught up in these 01:28:36.320 --> 01:28:37.160 little insults 01:28:37.160 --> 01:28:37.700 and these little 01:28:37.700 --> 01:28:38.580 nasty emails. 01:28:38.780 --> 01:28:39.260 I'm going to start 01:28:39.260 --> 01:28:40.320 cutting the emails down 01:28:40.320 --> 01:28:41.400 to just the good stuff. 01:28:41.800 --> 01:28:43.000 I guess 01:28:43.000 --> 01:28:44.260 that is going to do it. 01:28:44.760 --> 01:28:44.960 Doug, 01:28:45.000 --> 01:28:45.460 you're going to have to 01:28:45.460 --> 01:28:46.600 take the show over again though 01:28:46.600 --> 01:28:48.160 at some point in time. 01:28:48.320 --> 01:28:48.480 I mean, 01:28:48.480 --> 01:28:49.260 you did a good job. 01:28:49.360 --> 01:28:50.000 People liked it 01:28:50.000 --> 01:28:50.680 and what you know 01:28:50.680 --> 01:28:51.780 liked you and Lucky 01:28:51.780 --> 01:28:52.200 together. 01:28:52.980 --> 01:28:53.900 So we're going to 01:28:53.900 --> 01:28:54.640 pencil you in 01:28:54.640 --> 01:28:55.680 somewhere in the future. 01:28:55.780 --> 01:28:56.460 We won't tie you 01:28:56.460 --> 01:28:57.140 down to a date 01:28:57.140 --> 01:28:57.560 or anything. 01:28:58.360 --> 01:28:59.180 But we've got to do it 01:28:59.180 --> 01:29:00.120 before you get all famous 01:29:00.120 --> 01:29:01.180 and Scorsese on us 01:29:01.180 --> 01:29:01.540 and stuff. 01:29:05.200 --> 01:29:06.020 We're going to tell 01:29:06.020 --> 01:29:06.660 everybody that 01:29:06.660 --> 01:29:07.480 we're going to see them 01:29:07.480 --> 01:29:08.580 next week, 01:29:08.740 --> 01:29:09.800 same hack time. 01:29:10.520 --> 01:29:11.320 Same bad channel 01:29:11.320 --> 01:29:12.560 or same hack channel. 01:29:12.840 --> 01:29:13.480 Shut up, 01:29:13.600 --> 01:29:13.980 noob. 01:29:14.500 --> 01:29:14.900 Later. 01:29:14.900 --> 01:29:21.820 Ladies and gentlemen, 01:29:21.820 --> 01:29:24.760 you are listening to the sound 01:29:24.760 --> 01:29:25.700 of Switch Beats. 01:29:26.200 --> 01:29:26.640 Pals, 01:29:27.040 --> 01:29:28.420 W-O-O 01:29:28.420 --> 01:29:29.260 in this box. 01:29:29.780 --> 01:29:30.140 Pals, 01:29:30.500 --> 01:29:32.600 we're not throwbacks. 01:29:33.280 --> 01:29:34.440 This is for the ladies. 01:29:34.880 --> 01:29:35.740 We got room keys. 01:29:35.740 --> 01:29:36.040 Woo! 01:29:36.440 --> 01:29:36.860 Girl, 01:29:36.940 --> 01:29:38.560 you want to come to my hotel? 01:29:39.200 --> 01:29:39.680 Baby, 01:29:39.820 --> 01:29:41.420 I will leave you my room key. 01:29:41.420 --> 01:29:42.620 I'm feeling the way 01:29:42.620 --> 01:29:44.180 you carry yourself, girl. 01:29:44.460 --> 01:29:45.660 And I want to get with you 01:29:45.660 --> 01:29:46.460 cause you's a cute. 01:29:46.800 --> 01:29:48.420 So if you want to come 01:29:48.420 --> 01:29:49.220 to my hotel, 01:29:49.840 --> 01:29:51.020 all you've got to do 01:29:51.020 --> 01:29:52.160 is holla at me. 01:29:52.480 --> 01:29:53.280 Cause we're having 01:29:53.280 --> 01:29:54.820 an after party. 01:29:55.380 --> 01:29:56.460 Checking out six 01:29:56.460 --> 01:29:57.320 in the morning. 01:29:57.840 --> 01:29:58.620 In the morning. 01:29:59.220 --> 01:29:59.860 In the morning. 01:29:59.860 --> 01:30:00.800 Oh, noobie. 01:30:02.120 --> 01:30:03.120 Checking out six 01:30:03.120 --> 01:30:03.980 in the morning. 01:30:04.500 --> 01:30:05.220 In the morning. 01:30:05.220 --> 01:30:05.480 Yeah. 01:30:06.240 --> 01:30:06.840 Listen. 01:30:07.560 --> 01:30:08.580 You've been made it 01:30:08.580 --> 01:30:09.480 to my room shaking 01:30:09.480 --> 01:30:10.460 cause you nervous 01:30:10.460 --> 01:30:11.440 knocking directly 01:30:11.440 --> 01:30:12.160 on my door 01:30:12.160 --> 01:30:13.320 like room service. 01:30:13.420 --> 01:30:14.000 Who is it? 01:30:14.180 --> 01:30:14.840 Walking in 01:30:14.840 --> 01:30:15.660 looking exquisite. 01:30:15.780 --> 01:30:16.680 It took me a minute 01:30:16.680 --> 01:30:17.380 to peep her 01:30:17.380 --> 01:30:18.360 and just when I finished 01:30:18.360 --> 01:30:19.180 she let me know 01:30:19.180 --> 01:30:20.140 she was in town 01:30:20.140 --> 01:30:21.020 just for her visit. 01:30:21.240 --> 01:30:21.840 Called my show 01:30:21.840 --> 01:30:22.720 and wanted to know 01:30:22.720 --> 01:30:23.660 how much was I lifting. 01:30:23.800 --> 01:30:25.200 I didn't understand it first. 01:30:25.420 --> 01:30:26.320 Her favorite position 01:30:26.320 --> 01:30:27.200 was standing up. 01:30:27.260 --> 01:30:28.340 Put my hand on her butt 01:30:28.340 --> 01:30:28.580 and ask, 01:30:28.680 --> 01:30:29.340 can I handle her? 01:30:29.420 --> 01:30:29.680 What? 01:30:29.920 --> 01:30:30.200 Please. 01:30:30.580 --> 01:30:31.980 Who is no type of amateur? 01:30:32.120 --> 01:30:32.580 South Coast. 01:30:32.620 --> 01:30:33.440 Turn your body rain 01:30:33.440 --> 01:30:34.580 to snow like it's Canada. 01:30:34.820 --> 01:30:36.000 No lights or cameras 01:30:36.000 --> 01:30:37.180 or actions on. 01:30:37.260 --> 01:30:38.480 She from South Cackalaca 01:30:38.480 --> 01:30:39.760 ass fatter than Norm. 01:30:39.960 --> 01:30:40.200 Woo! 01:30:40.460 --> 01:30:41.840 Girl, you wanna come 01:30:41.840 --> 01:30:42.920 to my hotel? 01:30:43.360 --> 01:30:44.580 Baby, I will leave you 01:30:44.580 --> 01:30:45.520 my room key. 01:30:45.720 --> 01:30:46.760 I'm feeling the way 01:30:46.760 --> 01:30:48.300 you carry yourself, girl. 01:30:48.600 --> 01:30:49.780 And I wanna get with you 01:30:49.780 --> 01:30:50.800 cause you's a cutie. 01:30:51.080 --> 01:30:52.560 So if you wanna come 01:30:52.560 --> 01:30:53.480 to my hotel? 01:30:54.100 --> 01:30:55.140 All you gotta do 01:30:55.140 --> 01:30:56.260 is I'll let me. 01:30:56.620 --> 01:30:58.920 We're having an apple party 01:30:58.920 --> 01:31:00.620 checking out six 01:31:00.620 --> 01:31:01.360 in the morning. 01:31:01.360 --> 01:31:05.680 Morning, morning, morning, morning, morning, morning. 01:31:05.680 --> 01:31:07.220 Checking out six 01:31:07.220 --> 01:31:08.160 in the morning. 01:31:08.960 --> 01:31:11.940 Morning, morning, morning, morning. 01:31:11.940 --> 01:31:13.780 Like college girls back at the dorm. 01:31:13.840 --> 01:31:14.540 She going wild. 01:31:14.640 --> 01:31:16.420 I hold it down when I have to perform. 01:31:16.500 --> 01:31:17.280 I'll show you how. 01:31:17.380 --> 01:31:19.120 On the mic or back to the wall. 01:31:19.200 --> 01:31:19.960 The golden child. 01:31:20.040 --> 01:31:21.740 Throw it right when I answer the call. 01:31:21.860 --> 01:31:22.600 You know my style. 01:31:22.800 --> 01:31:24.220 I'm nasty on the roll 01:31:24.220 --> 01:31:25.620 while other teams are such an L. 01:31:25.620 --> 01:31:27.440 Only get live on the weekend 01:31:27.440 --> 01:31:28.300 like SNL? 01:31:28.460 --> 01:31:29.640 Nah, I stay booked 01:31:29.640 --> 01:31:30.780 Monday through Sunday. 01:31:31.020 --> 01:31:31.920 Keep that shit popping 01:31:31.920 --> 01:31:33.460 from the stage to the runway. 01:31:33.760 --> 01:31:35.100 In a race on a one-way 01:31:35.100 --> 01:31:35.980 straight to the telly. 01:31:36.020 --> 01:31:37.000 Can't take what you tell me. 01:31:37.060 --> 01:31:37.720 Checking ID. 01:31:37.880 --> 01:31:38.640 Can't get your Kelly. 01:31:38.740 --> 01:31:40.420 No, but we can get it on 01:31:40.420 --> 01:31:41.660 if you really grow. 01:31:41.940 --> 01:31:43.000 And you make that string 01:31:43.000 --> 01:31:44.360 disappear in the phone. 01:31:44.840 --> 01:31:45.980 Girl, you wanna come 01:31:45.980 --> 01:31:46.820 to my hotel? 01:31:47.540 --> 01:31:48.720 Baby, I will leave you 01:31:48.720 --> 01:31:49.480 my room key. 01:31:50.020 --> 01:31:50.900 I'm feeling the way 01:31:50.900 --> 01:31:52.420 you carry yourself, girl. 01:31:52.700 --> 01:31:53.920 And I wanna get with you 01:31:53.920 --> 01:31:54.760 cause you's a cutie. 01:31:54.760 --> 01:31:56.680 So if you wanna come 01:31:56.680 --> 01:31:57.620 to my hotel 01:31:57.620 --> 01:31:59.280 all you gotta do 01:31:59.280 --> 01:32:00.440 is hop on at me. 01:32:00.760 --> 01:32:01.580 Cause we're having 01:32:01.580 --> 01:32:03.000 an after party 01:32:03.000 --> 01:32:04.740 checking out six 01:32:04.740 --> 01:32:05.600 in the morning. 01:32:05.600 --> 01:32:06.860 Morning. 01:32:10.360 --> 01:32:11.440 Checking out six 01:32:11.440 --> 01:32:12.420 in the morning. 01:32:12.780 --> 01:32:13.580 Checking out six 01:32:13.580 --> 01:32:14.840 in the morning. 01:32:15.880 --> 01:32:17.240 If you coming, you coming. 01:32:17.340 --> 01:32:18.880 We both wanna get into something. 01:32:19.040 --> 01:32:20.280 You wanna be in this room? 01:32:20.360 --> 01:32:21.820 I want all of your lips running. 01:32:22.160 --> 01:32:23.040 I don't say something. 01:32:23.140 --> 01:32:24.060 I'm up to the fist pumping 01:32:24.060 --> 01:32:25.040 when I spit something. 01:32:25.140 --> 01:32:26.080 Keep them hips coming 01:32:26.080 --> 01:32:27.080 like our hips touching. 01:32:27.080 --> 01:32:29.000 All right, all right. 01:32:29.140 --> 01:32:31.380 If you wanna come with me. 01:32:31.460 --> 01:32:31.780 Hey. 01:32:32.100 --> 01:32:33.620 If I feel your fantasy. 01:32:34.040 --> 01:32:34.480 Come on. 01:32:34.820 --> 01:32:36.600 Baby, in my hotel suite. 01:32:36.800 --> 01:32:37.020 Yeah. 01:32:37.080 --> 01:32:38.160 And it's okay. 01:32:38.880 --> 01:32:39.360 Okay. 01:32:39.780 --> 01:32:40.920 If you wanna party 01:32:40.920 --> 01:32:43.940 checking out six in the morning. 01:32:43.940 --> 01:32:45.520 You just heard it. 01:32:45.520 --> 01:33:13.400 You just heard it. 01:33:13.400 --> 01:33:15.920 Checking out six in the morning. 01:33:15.920 --> 01:33:16.900 On Classic. 01:33:17.320 --> 01:33:18.420 I'm a beast. 01:33:18.620 --> 01:33:19.360 I'm a beast. 01:33:19.360 --> 01:33:19.780 Ciao. 01:33:20.720 --> 01:33:21.120 Ciao.