WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:09.440 This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers, to the hackers and the crackers. 00:09.860 --> 00:15.520 I see in binary, I speak source code, step on my toes, I'll post a million jpegs of you 00:15.520 --> 00:16.460 in a fag pose. 00:16.720 --> 00:21.620 In your digital stance, getting firewalled ho, cause I'm riding the net in my six-fold. 00:21.880 --> 00:26.440 I was a dick with my 56, now with my cable I'm able to get that stable. 00:26.440 --> 00:32.460 On the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo. On the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm a hero. 00:32.680 --> 00:38.360 In a flash, I'll screw you on burning dreamcasts. You need some ISO? Let me through my hard drive rifle. 00:38.680 --> 00:43.500 Our exchange you could never stifle. In a digital hug, you just caught the love bug. 00:43.780 --> 00:47.540 I bootlegged your CD, I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z. 00:47.880 --> 00:52.100 To CG, it's all gonna be free, whether we take it by force or we take it nicely. 00:52.100 --> 00:56.280 You feel that rattle in your bones when I tell you we just hacked out Jones? 00:56.620 --> 01:00.720 And NASDAQ leaves your fight on your back, cause I am he who loves to hack and crack. 01:01.080 --> 01:03.480 Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack. 01:03.960 --> 01:06.520 This is dedicated to the hackers and the critics. 01:07.060 --> 01:11.620 Serial codes, source codes, ISOs, RAMs, SIPs, SIPs. 01:11.940 --> 01:14.200 This is dedicated to the hackers and the crack. 01:14.200 --> 01:18.860 Hello all you rapscallions out there. This is StankDog and you are listening to me. 01:18.860 --> 01:20.640 Rapscallions? Where the hell did you find that term? 01:20.860 --> 01:25.480 I'm going with my like old 50s. I was going with the 50s intro like, like ne'er... 01:25.480 --> 01:27.560 50s? What 50s? 1850s? 01:28.240 --> 01:32.480 Ne'er-do-wells and rapscallions and... 01:32.480 --> 01:37.180 Rapscallions are the people who have like the handlebar mustaches and tied old ladies to the railroad tracks. 01:37.180 --> 01:38.220 Yeah, that was leet. 01:38.720 --> 01:40.980 That was like 1850s, not 50s. 01:41.260 --> 01:43.820 I didn't say 1950s, I just said the 50s. 01:44.160 --> 01:44.440 Oh. 01:45.200 --> 01:47.400 Yeah, see I... see that's a social engineering trick. 01:47.480 --> 01:50.400 You play it safe by being as vague as possible. 01:51.780 --> 01:52.400 There you go. 01:52.520 --> 01:53.720 You used the term olden days. 01:53.960 --> 01:55.980 The... well yeah, that would have been... that would have worked too. 01:55.980 --> 02:01.040 So, that tip brought to you by Binary Revolution Radio, episode number 95. 02:01.700 --> 02:02.700 95, wow. 02:02.840 --> 02:06.260 With StankDog and Black Ratchet, for those of you who don't recognize the voice. 02:07.120 --> 02:07.620 Hello, hello. 02:07.880 --> 02:08.500 Black Ratchet. 02:08.500 --> 02:13.220 I'd just like to say, I'm enjoying a nice, ice cold glass of Coca-Cola, the hacker's choice. 02:13.380 --> 02:17.020 Oh no, get out of here, you sell out Coca-Cola mainstream. 02:18.200 --> 02:22.320 How dare you insult the Coca-Cola, I'm going to send the Coca-Cola Elite Special Ops team to your house. 02:22.320 --> 02:28.500 Ah, great. Like I... like I need one more special ops team focusing on my house. 02:29.240 --> 02:32.100 I already have to sit here in a tinfoil hat while we record the show. 02:33.280 --> 02:35.040 Anyway, let's get on with the show. 02:35.460 --> 02:39.620 So much for the clever, witty banter. I guess we failed miserably on that one. 02:39.980 --> 02:41.780 I was just okay with the Rapscallion, I think. 02:41.880 --> 02:44.940 Yeah, the Rapscallion was pretty funny. That's a good word. I'm going to start using that. 02:45.000 --> 02:46.900 I'm going to just start calling kids that from now on. 02:47.180 --> 02:47.940 They're going to like run home... 02:47.940 --> 02:51.460 I always prefer the term poppycock when someone says something like, you know, BSE. 02:51.460 --> 02:52.580 Oh, poppycock. 02:52.800 --> 02:53.660 Oh, bollocks. 02:54.600 --> 02:56.920 Bollocks. Bollocks is a good one. Bollocks is kind of British, though. 02:56.980 --> 02:57.540 Yeah, I know, right? 02:57.540 --> 02:58.060 Not bolden. 02:58.620 --> 03:03.300 Yeah, and snog. That's my other British word that I learned recently from watching the EastEnders on PBS. 03:04.080 --> 03:05.440 Oh, I love snog. 03:05.500 --> 03:06.220 Yeah, snog is a good word. 03:06.680 --> 03:14.180 I'm dating myself here. I learned the term snog from a British mud back in like, you know, 97, 96. 03:14.740 --> 03:17.740 I felt like incredibly noobish when I had to ask one of the British people there. 03:18.140 --> 03:18.920 What's snog? 03:18.920 --> 03:22.160 So you had to tiny snog. You had to cyber snog. 03:22.880 --> 03:23.780 But you want to do some housekeeping? 03:24.660 --> 03:25.380 Sure, why not? 03:25.420 --> 03:26.420 Yeah, let's do some housekeeping. 03:26.780 --> 03:28.620 Let's do some housekeeping at this point. 03:30.440 --> 03:33.400 Actually, I only have one housekeeping thing unless you had something. 03:33.540 --> 03:38.660 Actually, you might have something with our recompile, some things to talk about. 03:38.660 --> 03:47.060 But the only thing I wanted to bring up is kind of a follow-up on last week's episode of Freak Factor, episode two of Freak Factor. 03:48.220 --> 03:53.760 We mentioned some of them at the opening of that show before it turned into an all-out complete mess. 03:53.760 --> 03:58.380 But I still think that was kind of cool, as a side note. 03:58.380 --> 04:08.440 So we are going to change the show now to two hours instead of it being a four-hour open mic night kind of deal, which we thought we were going to do the whole time. 04:08.500 --> 04:10.580 We were going to treat it like not worth saving. 04:10.700 --> 04:12.200 We knew it was all going to be disposable. 04:12.400 --> 04:14.180 We knew that it was going to be a lot of dead air. 04:14.180 --> 04:17.300 It wasn't all going to be great material and content-laden. 04:17.740 --> 04:22.040 We just figured there would be enough fun stuff in there to keep people involved and to play along. 04:22.200 --> 04:29.980 Well, we did not expect that people would be so into downloading and listening to it later. 04:30.100 --> 04:34.740 Now, I realize there are time differences that cause that, and people aren't able to partake of it. 04:35.360 --> 04:40.360 But when you listen to it back, they're not always going to be gems of episodes. 04:40.540 --> 04:41.820 They're not always going to be funny. 04:41.900 --> 04:43.100 They're not always going to be interesting. 04:43.100 --> 04:47.300 They're not always going to be coherent a lot of the times. 04:47.760 --> 04:51.240 I'd give them interesting, but not interesting in the usual way. 04:51.740 --> 05:00.600 Yeah, it was – see, and this is the thing, is we've – from day one, we've always said about Freak Factor that it is going to be – 05:00.600 --> 05:08.060 you know, it is a reality radio show, and that encompasses everything that goes along with reality, including the screw-ups, the mistakes, 05:08.620 --> 05:11.920 the assholes that are going to jump on and tone the line out. 05:11.920 --> 05:15.860 We even said that in the description back when we first announced it and things like that. 05:16.120 --> 05:17.460 We knew that was going to happen. 05:17.460 --> 05:25.460 And it's the reality that I find interesting is how we will be dealing with it as it goes along. 05:25.460 --> 05:29.360 So we had some technical problems on this last episode. 05:29.480 --> 05:31.080 It didn't stop the show from streaming. 05:31.200 --> 05:34.280 We still had already established that and got it working. 05:34.400 --> 05:37.740 We were trying to do some other stuff on the fly as the show went along. 05:37.860 --> 05:40.920 And it was hit and miss with success, and we learned from it. 05:40.920 --> 05:48.060 And that's part of the reality and part of the – I don't know – the show that I find interesting. 05:48.320 --> 05:49.540 It's not always necessarily – 05:49.540 --> 05:51.760 We learned not to kick certain people off the conference. 05:51.920 --> 05:52.860 Yeah, I apologize. 05:52.860 --> 05:54.200 For a certain type of connection. 05:54.460 --> 05:57.280 I apologize again for that, but, you know, we had to do – 05:57.280 --> 06:00.740 We were both very sorry that that happened, but you've got to admit, it was pretty funny. 06:00.760 --> 06:03.320 It was pretty funny because I was kicking people like nothing. 06:03.660 --> 06:04.860 And I'm sure they were in there. 06:04.920 --> 06:05.600 I just couldn't hear them. 06:05.660 --> 06:07.060 They were probably there going, no, no, I'm here. 06:07.080 --> 06:07.880 Don't kick me out. 06:08.260 --> 06:10.500 They were probably cussing at me and everything else. 06:10.640 --> 06:15.140 But anyway, the show – it's not the show so much where you focus on the content to me. 06:15.300 --> 06:18.340 It's a show that's interesting because of the process. 06:18.920 --> 06:20.200 That's what I find interesting. 06:21.620 --> 06:25.860 So, again, I've kind of said all along that that's what the show is going to be about. 06:25.940 --> 06:26.860 That's what makes it different. 06:26.860 --> 06:30.900 And people that are tuning in thinking it's going to be an action-packed show every week, 06:31.000 --> 06:36.820 I'm sorry to tell you it's going to have a lot of wild, crazy, funny, chaotic things happen. 06:37.340 --> 06:38.000 I like it. 06:38.080 --> 06:39.400 It might not be your cup of tea. 06:39.520 --> 06:45.300 So just keep all that in mind when you listen to and participate in Freak Factor. 06:45.720 --> 06:47.120 It is pandemonium. 06:47.380 --> 06:49.060 It certainly is. 06:49.080 --> 06:53.680 And we're going to try some things to sometimes clean that up, but other times we're not. 06:53.680 --> 06:59.760 I mean, the general layout of the show is exactly what it has been because right now while we're working on it, 06:59.820 --> 07:03.680 we are making it a point to open the show up, try to keep it together and organize. 07:03.920 --> 07:06.580 But there's going to be days where we're not even available. 07:06.880 --> 07:08.700 There may not be someone on there to open it up. 07:08.760 --> 07:10.860 Just at 11 o'clock, bam, you're live. 07:10.940 --> 07:11.620 You're on the air. 07:11.740 --> 07:13.340 It's streaming with no announcements. 07:13.340 --> 07:18.740 So there's going to be a lot of different things going on in the future with Freak Factor. 07:18.940 --> 07:20.740 It is something that we're going to keep doing. 07:21.480 --> 07:25.060 So hopefully people will find it interesting from that same aspect. 07:25.060 --> 07:30.360 I think hopefully at least someone will be there, at least, you know, moderating it. 07:30.580 --> 07:32.940 Well, that's actually the kind of the – yeah, we'll try. 07:33.080 --> 07:36.120 I mean, we've got enough people hopefully to make that happen. 07:36.240 --> 07:42.700 But I find it interesting that a lot of people were saying that it was boring and et cetera, et cetera, 07:42.700 --> 07:47.020 but we still had an enormous amount of listeners on the stream. 07:47.180 --> 07:49.460 We had as many this time as we do for BinRev. 07:50.200 --> 07:51.440 How many listeners do we have? 07:51.440 --> 07:56.480 I think the highest I saw this past week listening live to the stream was 48. 07:57.100 --> 07:57.380 Wow. 07:57.400 --> 08:00.100 But last week it was maxing out at 50. 08:00.200 --> 08:05.400 And if you remember, I had to upgrade more – add more slots to the server, not upgrade it, 08:05.420 --> 08:07.960 but I had to reconfigure the server to allow more listeners. 08:08.660 --> 08:11.380 So this week we didn't need them as it turns out. 08:11.440 --> 08:12.040 We hit 48. 08:12.140 --> 08:13.020 We didn't break the 50. 08:13.320 --> 08:14.620 But it's there if we need it. 08:14.620 --> 08:20.220 And I think, again, some of that was because people did leave because there were people toning it out 08:20.220 --> 08:22.780 and making it, well, not really that fun. 08:23.880 --> 08:25.380 Not a freak-friendly environment. 08:25.680 --> 08:29.680 Yeah, well, you know, you've got to deal with the Trons of the world, and that, again, is part of the reality. 08:30.240 --> 08:33.160 You know, see, I was going to stay away from that, but you just blew it right over. 08:33.620 --> 08:37.640 Well, he's the – I mean, if we're going back to the 1850s and the time people are railroad tracks, 08:38.120 --> 08:39.900 he's our Snidely Whiplash, basically. 08:40.900 --> 08:42.300 I mean, he is the Snidely Whiplash. 08:42.300 --> 08:45.620 I think a good, like, 80% of the audience did not understand that. 08:46.100 --> 08:48.520 No, is that that obscure, really? 08:48.580 --> 08:49.900 Snidely Whiplash, is that obscure? 08:50.460 --> 08:51.380 Yeah, I think so. 08:51.500 --> 08:53.720 I mean, I don't think many people watch that show. 08:54.040 --> 08:54.920 Oh, okay. 08:55.000 --> 08:56.920 Well, I guess I'm dating myself now. 08:58.480 --> 09:00.260 Well, Pixel Fiend got it, I bet you. 09:00.380 --> 09:01.600 He always gets those. 09:01.860 --> 09:02.740 Yeah, I'm sure he did. 09:02.740 --> 09:10.140 I think it stands to reason – I'm on the bottom edge, I think, of actually people who would know that. 09:11.060 --> 09:19.080 So I'd say the cutoff is, like, somewhere, anywhere – tell me, if anyone under 22 knows that reference, 09:19.280 --> 09:21.780 you know, email the show, email me, email Stank. 09:22.060 --> 09:22.860 Yeah, if – 09:22.860 --> 09:23.720 One of the three. 09:23.980 --> 09:25.060 And tell us how. 09:25.360 --> 09:26.820 Tell us how you know about it. 09:26.880 --> 09:29.620 And please don't make the answer, I Googled it or I looked it up. 09:29.660 --> 09:30.240 That's not fair. 09:30.240 --> 09:32.580 Did you actually know it without looking it up? 09:32.640 --> 09:33.060 I'm curious. 09:33.940 --> 09:39.720 I made a Ghostbusters reference in the channel today, and I was very thoroughly disappointed when I realized that 09:39.720 --> 09:42.240 probably close to 50% probably didn't get it. 09:42.260 --> 09:42.760 Oh, come on. 09:42.840 --> 09:44.500 Everybody knows Ghostbusters. 09:45.060 --> 09:45.800 I don't know. 09:45.940 --> 09:47.180 I don't know about that. 09:47.640 --> 09:49.240 Oh, come on. 09:49.480 --> 09:49.920 Wow. 09:50.940 --> 09:52.260 We are really old. 09:52.480 --> 09:52.920 Okay. 09:53.100 --> 09:53.860 Anyway, you know what? 09:53.920 --> 09:56.440 How about stop depressing me before I do the show like this? 09:56.540 --> 09:56.940 Man. 09:58.060 --> 09:59.140 Holy crap. 09:59.200 --> 10:00.300 Now I'm so old. 10:00.400 --> 10:02.260 Thank you very much for bringing me down. 10:03.200 --> 10:04.520 Well, do you want to hear something really weird? 10:04.780 --> 10:06.420 Probably not, but go ahead anyway. 10:06.900 --> 10:07.300 Okay. 10:07.760 --> 10:09.600 Pardon me, do you have any Grey Poupon? 10:10.080 --> 10:11.160 Yeah, what about that? 10:11.340 --> 10:12.020 They don't know that either? 10:12.040 --> 10:13.400 I hear nobody just got that in the audience. 10:15.080 --> 10:15.800 Yeah, they do. 10:15.880 --> 10:17.780 That was a famous commercial also. 10:18.160 --> 10:18.740 Like, where is it? 10:18.740 --> 10:26.320 I made a joke of that when I was a senior in college, and no one below, well, technically 10:26.320 --> 10:28.020 it's a five-year college, so there's a middler. 10:28.160 --> 10:29.020 It's a third-year student. 10:29.380 --> 10:30.600 No one below middler got it. 10:31.880 --> 10:32.160 Hmm. 10:32.880 --> 10:33.940 What about Where's the Beef? 10:33.940 --> 10:34.280 That was damn depressing. 10:34.560 --> 10:35.480 What about Where's the Beef? 10:35.480 --> 10:37.880 Hmm, that's a good question. 10:37.960 --> 10:38.300 I don't know. 10:38.680 --> 10:39.660 I understand that. 10:39.980 --> 10:40.160 Yeah. 10:40.620 --> 10:42.280 All right, anyway, let's get into some... 10:42.280 --> 10:42.720 I'm going to email. 10:42.920 --> 10:43.700 Yeah, let's do some... 10:43.700 --> 10:47.120 Actually, no, there's one other housekeeping, or I don't know if you've announced this, 10:47.200 --> 10:50.240 but we recompiled to give you some more functionality for Yapple. 10:50.940 --> 10:51.340 Oh, yes. 10:51.480 --> 10:55.220 Yapple.org has been moved over to the bin rev server. 10:55.380 --> 10:56.640 That's Yapple.org. 10:56.640 --> 10:58.080 Oh, boy, is it fast? 10:58.620 --> 11:00.700 Yapple.org, he meant to say. 11:00.860 --> 11:02.060 Yapple.org. 11:02.060 --> 11:05.140 I'm going to register Yapple.net, just so we don't have to get into this. 11:06.280 --> 11:06.440 Organization. 11:08.940 --> 11:13.520 Yapple.org has been moved over to the bin rev server, and it is blazingly fast. 11:13.780 --> 11:14.140 Cool. 11:14.140 --> 11:19.160 And I have some features in the pipe that are going to actually be deployed now that we have, like, it fast. 11:19.160 --> 11:26.520 And I have a Hack TV segment relating to that as well that I haven't told you about yet, but we'll talk about off the air. 11:26.980 --> 11:28.460 Yeah, yeah, I'm actually curious now. 11:28.580 --> 11:29.780 That's the first time I've ever heard of it. 11:29.960 --> 11:32.920 Yeah, it's pretty straightforward, and it's pretty obvious, actually. 11:33.000 --> 11:35.800 But anyway, yeah, let's do a little email first. 11:35.800 --> 12:00.500 We had a lot of feedback, a lot of email this week, even more than usual. 12:00.500 --> 12:09.220 Well, we get, you know, 20-plus each week anyway, but we got a lot more based on the episode last week, our episode about programming languages with not theory. 12:09.220 --> 12:10.780 That programming language show was a leap. 12:11.120 --> 12:15.900 It was – I thought it was something that would be helpful to a lot of people who might not be familiar with it. 12:15.980 --> 12:20.540 So it is exactly what it was – what we intended it to be, and that was, like, an overview. 12:21.380 --> 12:26.020 We chose – we had so many emails and feedback that I just could not read all of them. 12:26.020 --> 12:33.180 And so that's what I wanted to announce is I got a lot of great email going into a lot of depth on some of these specific languages and topics and things. 12:33.720 --> 12:35.160 But it was just so overwhelming. 12:35.280 --> 12:37.160 There's no way I can get it all into the show. 12:37.380 --> 12:38.880 So let's see. 12:39.120 --> 12:40.640 What else was I going to say? 12:40.800 --> 12:48.560 Oh, actually, I think it would be a very cool topic to take – and that's – you're going to make mistakes and misspeak about things. 12:48.560 --> 12:56.620 I think I just over – not overstated – I overlooked some things or misrepresented some things when you're trying to cover so many different ones. 12:56.680 --> 12:58.380 It's kind of hard to shift gears sometimes. 12:59.180 --> 13:05.940 Every individual one of those languages could be a show in and of itself and probably multiple shows. 13:06.260 --> 13:06.560 Amen. 13:06.880 --> 13:17.500 So any one of those topics, I would love to spend a show, an episode, and talk about a lot more depth and detail and actually spew some code on the air. 13:17.500 --> 13:21.120 It's not really – radio, unfortunately, doesn't lend itself well for that. 13:21.200 --> 13:22.640 But at least talk about some techniques. 13:22.980 --> 13:24.500 I want you to see how – how do you pronounce it? 13:24.560 --> 13:25.500 See-out or cout? 13:25.800 --> 13:26.360 Yeah, right? 13:26.700 --> 13:27.100 Cout. 13:27.580 --> 13:28.840 Kin and cout? 13:28.940 --> 13:30.220 Is that – 13:30.220 --> 13:33.520 I was always pronounced – I always pronounced it cout and sin. 13:34.680 --> 13:37.740 Well, I don't think that I've ever pronounced them, to be quite frank. 13:38.380 --> 13:40.160 I don't think I've ever had to pronounce them. 13:40.840 --> 13:44.380 In my head, that's – I, you know, I was trying to explain it to somebody. 13:44.480 --> 13:45.140 They said, what? 13:45.140 --> 13:46.980 No, c-o-u-t, cout. 13:47.540 --> 13:48.500 Ah, gotcha. 13:49.240 --> 13:50.580 They just kind of looked at me funny. 13:50.720 --> 13:52.220 But, you know, they always sort of do that. 13:52.320 --> 13:52.800 Ah, well, yeah. 13:52.800 --> 13:53.320 Just like the girls. 13:53.600 --> 13:56.160 Even when you're not talking tech, that happens, so. 13:56.340 --> 13:56.600 Yep. 13:57.440 --> 13:58.980 Oh, all righty. 13:59.260 --> 14:09.240 So, yeah, maybe sometime in the future we'll dedicate some shows here and there and get some people on that are experts in those particular fields and languages and stuff. 14:09.240 --> 14:16.260 So, again, the show was what we announced it to be, an overview and kind of an opinionated view. 14:16.420 --> 14:18.240 So, a lot of the things in there were opinion-based. 14:18.560 --> 14:21.240 So, I think it did a good job in covering all that. 14:21.240 --> 14:23.900 And we did get a lot of mostly positive feedback. 14:23.960 --> 14:29.840 Almost actually, there was – even the feedback we got that were corrections or clarifications, I think is a better word. 14:29.900 --> 14:34.500 I don't think I totally misspoke on anything too badly. 14:34.500 --> 14:35.660 But I'm sure you're going to let me know. 14:35.660 --> 14:36.580 No, no, no, no, no, no. 14:36.580 --> 14:36.720 Okay. 14:37.160 --> 14:43.000 And I did pick a couple emails of people who I think were able to put it into words more eloquently than I. 14:43.060 --> 14:43.520 How about that? 14:44.940 --> 14:47.060 So, anyway, let's jump into some email. 14:47.200 --> 14:49.660 We've got some general email as well as some programming stuff. 14:50.100 --> 14:52.460 So, we're going to look at the – let's see. 14:52.520 --> 14:58.560 First email this week comes from someone who goes by Rookie, which I think they just made that up. 14:59.680 --> 15:00.500 Rookie says, 15:00.500 --> 15:07.980 I'm not sure if this email address is still used, but I just thought I'd drop a quick note to say that I've reached episode 32 after a four-day weekend. 15:08.540 --> 15:14.980 I can't wait until I manage to get up to date and can drop in on the IRC room and listen to the live stream. 15:15.500 --> 15:18.220 Nice job on the show to everyone on the DDP team. 15:18.300 --> 15:21.520 I really enjoy listening, and I keep learning a lot all the time. 15:22.740 --> 15:23.260 All right. 15:23.320 --> 15:24.100 Thank you very much, Rookie. 15:24.100 --> 15:26.060 This email address is still used. 15:26.900 --> 15:26.920 Yeah. 15:27.020 --> 15:29.260 Well, yeah, I think we – that's the first question. 15:29.260 --> 15:30.340 I just want to state that for the record. 15:30.500 --> 15:31.500 First question answered. 15:31.660 --> 15:32.920 Of course, that goes without saying. 15:34.080 --> 15:37.980 That's pretty obvious, but thanks for insulting our listeners' intelligence. 15:38.160 --> 15:41.020 Everybody, BlackRatchet at BlackRatchet.org. 15:41.680 --> 15:46.920 If you want to email and tell him that you're not a bunch of dumbasses that have to have something explained to them like that. 15:48.180 --> 15:49.240 I'm just saying for the record. 15:49.440 --> 15:50.940 I think it deserved to be clarified. 15:51.160 --> 15:53.040 I'm just trying to generate some hate mail for you. 15:53.080 --> 15:53.460 That's all. 15:54.100 --> 15:55.740 I don't receive any email. 15:55.940 --> 15:56.980 Someone email me. 15:56.980 --> 15:59.720 I get my email address out of the show all the time. 15:59.720 --> 16:01.460 Just, you know, I don't know. 16:01.560 --> 16:02.560 Send me something. 16:03.020 --> 16:03.040 Yeah. 16:03.240 --> 16:03.600 There you go. 16:03.660 --> 16:06.260 Now you're going to get pics from the ladies. 16:06.260 --> 16:06.780 I'm a fan. 16:07.220 --> 16:08.800 You get pics from the ladies now. 16:10.520 --> 16:10.740 Okay. 16:10.740 --> 16:15.800 Did that girl email you from the last show with the naked lady types? 16:17.700 --> 16:18.540 Yes and no. 16:20.140 --> 16:23.680 Actually, I'll say this on the air. 16:23.720 --> 16:24.520 I'm not ashamed to say this. 16:24.520 --> 16:29.800 I actually emailed her and kind of apologized because, you know, it was kind of... 16:29.800 --> 16:32.360 We were joking, but some people don't take that show. 16:32.440 --> 16:36.280 I apologized up front saying, hey, you know, we were just playing around, right? 16:36.400 --> 16:39.180 So she's actually very, very nice about it. 16:39.180 --> 16:43.920 And I'm not reading an email from her again, but we're playing around on the show. 16:44.040 --> 16:45.000 And you know what? 16:45.060 --> 16:50.880 She's one of the first people, listener, male, female, or otherwise, who actually liked being 16:50.880 --> 16:51.700 a part of the joke. 16:52.140 --> 16:56.720 She didn't turn into a, you mispronounce my name, you asshole, I hate you, burn in hell. 16:57.300 --> 16:57.740 You know? 16:58.160 --> 17:01.720 Or, your accents suck and you've insulted all Australians everywhere. 17:02.640 --> 17:03.860 No, she was cool about it. 17:04.180 --> 17:04.820 So... 17:04.820 --> 17:05.400 Good for her. 17:05.400 --> 17:07.220 Yeah, I thought that was... 17:07.220 --> 17:09.080 That gave me a little special feeling. 17:09.500 --> 17:09.640 And not... 17:09.640 --> 17:12.180 And you are a gentleman and a scholar for apologizing. 17:12.180 --> 17:13.260 I don't know about all that. 17:13.360 --> 17:13.880 Now, come on now. 17:13.920 --> 17:14.360 I've got to rep. 17:14.420 --> 17:16.000 I've still got to maintain a reputation here. 17:16.020 --> 17:18.060 I've still got to play the asshole card for a while. 17:18.120 --> 17:19.020 A gentleman and a hacker. 17:19.140 --> 17:19.340 Fine. 17:19.440 --> 17:19.740 I don't know. 17:19.880 --> 17:20.300 Okay, whatever. 17:21.280 --> 17:26.940 Anyway, why did this turn into, like, a very special episode of Binary Revolution Radio? 17:27.700 --> 17:28.540 Yeah, I hope... 17:28.540 --> 17:30.480 You know how we're kind of saying we're going to try to keep this to an hour. 17:30.560 --> 17:31.340 I don't think it's going to work. 17:31.400 --> 17:32.020 Yeah, I know. 17:32.020 --> 17:34.220 Would anybody get a reference if I made a very... 17:34.220 --> 17:36.340 If I said a very special episode of Blossom? 17:38.200 --> 17:39.220 Is that one also wrong? 17:39.240 --> 17:39.560 Maybe. 17:39.820 --> 17:40.100 Maybe. 17:40.860 --> 17:41.680 Anyway, let's go... 17:41.680 --> 17:42.740 Yeah, let's get on topic here. 17:42.780 --> 17:43.200 Let's get on... 17:43.200 --> 17:43.760 Okay, we're... 17:43.760 --> 17:44.280 Okay, hold on. 17:44.320 --> 17:45.520 I'm going to take... 17:45.520 --> 17:46.020 Oh... 17:46.020 --> 17:47.660 Muasa. 17:48.060 --> 17:48.340 Muasa. 17:48.600 --> 17:49.440 Okay, I'm in the zone. 17:49.520 --> 17:49.940 All right, we're ready? 17:50.380 --> 17:51.960 All right, we're going to go right through the email now. 17:52.020 --> 17:53.100 We're not going to get sidetracked. 17:53.200 --> 17:53.720 All right, here we go. 17:54.140 --> 17:55.300 I'm going to tell him that... 17:55.300 --> 17:58.480 I hope that you've gone to IRC by now and enjoyed it. 17:58.520 --> 17:59.300 Thank you very much. 17:59.300 --> 18:01.180 And there are... 18:01.180 --> 18:05.640 Actually, there's a lot of cool people that hang out in there, and there's chatting and 18:05.640 --> 18:09.360 people talking all the time at almost any point that I pop in there. 18:09.920 --> 18:10.900 I idle in there. 18:10.980 --> 18:12.440 I know Black Ratchet, you idle in there. 18:12.540 --> 18:13.280 Hack and Slash. 18:13.640 --> 18:14.780 He lives in there. 18:15.240 --> 18:17.200 Yeah, I don't think he has a life. 18:17.340 --> 18:21.680 Yeah, there's a lot of people that hang out in there, and very intelligent people. 18:21.680 --> 18:27.100 People that work for some very interesting places and have a wide variety of knowledge. 18:28.020 --> 18:33.780 I do give you a little bit of a warning that just because you may see someone in there, 18:33.880 --> 18:35.200 they very well might be idling. 18:35.320 --> 18:40.980 I will leave that thing idling sometimes for 15, 20 hours while I'm at work or while I'm 18:40.980 --> 18:41.320 asleep. 18:42.320 --> 18:44.840 I just stay connected so that I log the whole thing. 18:44.840 --> 18:48.900 I am usually from there from 9 to 5 Eastern. 18:49.280 --> 18:50.260 Yeah, I will get on from... 18:50.260 --> 18:54.800 I usually try to check it regularly, but you know, I am at work, so they do pay me not 18:54.800 --> 18:55.800 to idle in the IRC. 18:56.160 --> 18:56.520 Exactly. 18:56.660 --> 18:57.620 Fortunately, but... 18:57.620 --> 18:59.060 So I'll pop in a couple times. 18:59.300 --> 19:02.840 I'll pop in a couple times during work just to see what's going on and say hey or take 19:02.840 --> 19:05.340 out some frustrations from work on people in IRC. 19:05.600 --> 19:05.940 That's always fun. 19:05.940 --> 19:06.320 Oh, yes. 19:06.400 --> 19:07.620 Yes, I've done that as well. 19:07.620 --> 19:12.020 But yeah, there's generally over 50 people in the channel regularly, so you'll find a 19:12.020 --> 19:15.520 lot of good conversation there, and don't wait until you catch up on episodes to hop 19:15.520 --> 19:15.720 in. 19:15.800 --> 19:17.920 I mean, that shouldn't be holding you back. 19:19.140 --> 19:21.900 All right, email number two comes from Jalada. 19:22.540 --> 19:22.980 Jalada. 19:23.680 --> 19:29.320 I live in the UK, and therefore, BinRev Radio starts at about 2.30 a.m. and finishes at 19:29.320 --> 19:30.120 4 a.m. 19:30.540 --> 19:32.260 Obviously, I can't stay up to listen. 19:32.380 --> 19:33.760 I have school the next day. 19:34.180 --> 19:34.800 Was that... 19:34.800 --> 19:34.980 Dog. 19:35.540 --> 19:35.980 Bad? 19:35.980 --> 19:37.720 Real bad? 19:38.620 --> 19:38.940 Yes. 19:39.140 --> 19:39.380 Okay. 19:39.540 --> 19:40.960 I know you have the podcast... 19:40.960 --> 19:41.320 You do... 19:41.320 --> 19:41.480 Wait a minute. 19:41.500 --> 19:42.760 Can you do a British accent? 19:43.400 --> 19:43.720 No. 19:44.220 --> 19:44.640 Come on. 19:44.640 --> 19:45.900 I got a Scottish accent, but... 19:45.900 --> 19:46.180 Well, I don't think... 19:46.180 --> 19:46.440 I don't know. 19:46.500 --> 19:49.600 Technically, if he lives in the UK, he could definitely live in Scotland, couldn't he? 19:50.700 --> 19:52.120 Um, you know what? 19:52.320 --> 19:54.580 I couldn't be more ignorant on that. 19:54.640 --> 19:56.120 I wouldn't even venture a guess. 19:57.480 --> 20:02.640 I'm going to venture a guess and say yes, because I do believe the United Kingdom incorporates 20:02.640 --> 20:06.040 Scotland, Britain, and Northern Ireland. 20:06.540 --> 20:07.460 Yeah, Ireland. 20:07.760 --> 20:08.820 I thought... 20:08.820 --> 20:09.540 Northern Ireland. 20:09.700 --> 20:10.220 Northern Ireland. 20:10.500 --> 20:11.300 I don't know. 20:11.420 --> 20:12.220 I have no idea. 20:12.340 --> 20:15.240 I admit my ignorance in geography. 20:15.600 --> 20:18.920 Email your corrections to blackratchett.org. 20:20.060 --> 20:21.980 Just email him for crying out loud. 20:22.700 --> 20:23.140 Okay. 20:23.140 --> 20:25.460 Um, I have school the next day. 20:25.560 --> 20:27.840 I know you have the podcast that is updated after the show. 20:27.940 --> 20:31.800 However, due to time zones, this ends up not happening until about Wednesday afternoon. 20:32.380 --> 20:37.780 To cut to the point, me and my mate, I believe you got an email from him ranting about British Telecom. 20:37.860 --> 20:38.780 Actually, I think we did. 20:38.840 --> 20:39.700 You might have been on that episode. 20:39.780 --> 20:40.220 I don't remember. 20:41.520 --> 20:41.840 Um... 20:41.840 --> 20:44.020 It's about phones, so I think I would have remembered it. 20:44.220 --> 20:45.020 Yeah, Sefron. 20:45.560 --> 20:48.280 I like to listen to BinRev Wednesday morning at school. 20:48.280 --> 20:54.680 To do this, I am using StreamRipper, which is available at streamripper.sourceforge.net, in case anybody's interested, 20:55.340 --> 21:01.720 uh, to listen and download from the station overnight, ready for me to put on my iPod shuffle in the morning. 21:02.380 --> 21:06.600 However, because I have set it up as a cron job, and so it should be pretty much without too much trouble, 21:06.700 --> 21:08.980 I ought to ask if it's okay for me to continue. 21:09.540 --> 21:15.200 It's not much bandwidth, but if I'm taking up one of the valuable user spaces and you don't agree with it, then I will stop. 21:15.200 --> 21:18.760 Cheers, and see you on IRC. 21:19.620 --> 21:24.980 Okay, Jalada, just so you know, we've scrambled the British Recording Artists Association to your house. 21:25.720 --> 21:29.180 I'll be there in a moment, so just, you know, delete it from your hard drive before the show up. 21:29.360 --> 21:32.420 You know, I'm going to put, I'm going to issue a contest right now. 21:32.860 --> 21:33.120 Mm-hmm. 21:33.180 --> 21:36.320 There's no prize or reward or anything, but... 21:36.320 --> 21:45.680 But if you send me a recording, send me an MP3 file of you doing a British accent, you, the listener, any one of you, 21:45.720 --> 21:49.300 if you're truly from Great Britain, that'll be the best of all. 21:49.360 --> 21:52.740 We'll use you for the examples, and I will play them on the air. 21:52.800 --> 21:55.380 This is your shot to get your voice on the air. 21:55.460 --> 21:59.000 I will play them on the, uh, 100th episode. 21:59.280 --> 22:00.060 No, not the 100th. 22:00.060 --> 22:01.100 I'll play them on the... 22:01.100 --> 22:01.880 Actually, maybe I will. 22:01.960 --> 22:05.280 I'll put them on the 100th, or should I put them on the 104th anniversary episode? 22:05.840 --> 22:06.240 I will use them... 22:06.240 --> 22:07.660 I think the 104th would be pretty cool. 22:07.820 --> 22:09.260 Yeah, I will put them on an upcoming... 22:09.260 --> 22:10.860 We've got a lot of stuff planned for 104. 22:11.060 --> 22:13.000 That's the reason I'm not sure about that one. 22:14.020 --> 22:14.740 Uh, we'll see. 22:14.880 --> 22:17.820 We'll send them in, and we will use them on either 100th or 104th. 22:17.940 --> 22:21.580 Send them in a short clip, no more than, uh, say, 15 seconds. 22:22.200 --> 22:23.160 Of them saying what? 22:23.540 --> 22:25.540 Say, I don't, um... 22:25.540 --> 22:28.540 Stank Dog, this is a proper British accent or something. 22:28.660 --> 22:29.260 I don't know. 22:29.260 --> 22:31.100 Stank Dog is a noob. 22:31.220 --> 22:33.640 Yeah, you can say Stank Dog is a noob, as long as you do it in British... 22:33.640 --> 22:34.280 I think it would be cool. 22:34.400 --> 22:37.620 No, what I'm saying you should do, they should send in, uh, British Leet Speak. 22:38.260 --> 22:39.480 How they pronounce it over in British... 22:39.480 --> 22:40.480 Ooh, I like that. 22:40.660 --> 22:41.500 I like that. 22:41.580 --> 22:42.620 Yeah, there it is. 22:42.660 --> 22:43.400 There's the challenge. 22:43.560 --> 22:44.820 You are not the Leet Soar. 22:45.080 --> 22:46.500 You are Fajir. 22:46.980 --> 22:47.660 Fajir and... 22:47.660 --> 22:47.980 Cheerio. 22:48.980 --> 22:49.720 There you go. 22:49.780 --> 22:50.540 That's the challenge. 22:50.680 --> 22:53.500 So, email those to radio at venrev.com. 22:53.560 --> 22:54.620 We can handle the attachments. 22:54.760 --> 22:55.260 Not a problem. 22:55.380 --> 22:55.980 Plenty of space. 22:57.080 --> 22:57.980 Okay, so... 22:57.980 --> 23:03.480 To the question at hand, I kind of mentioned this earlier about how we had run out of slots 23:03.480 --> 23:04.780 on that first freak factor. 23:05.400 --> 23:07.000 Uh, all I did is had to increase them. 23:07.040 --> 23:08.420 That was just a configuration problem. 23:08.540 --> 23:10.040 No, nothing more, nothing less. 23:10.160 --> 23:11.920 No bandwidth problems exactly. 23:12.160 --> 23:12.940 Nothing like that. 23:12.940 --> 23:18.060 So, it was just a sign of the station growing and us getting more listeners and that's pretty 23:18.060 --> 23:18.480 much it. 23:18.640 --> 23:22.820 So, feel free to rip the stream whenever you want to. 23:23.160 --> 23:25.460 Um, one person is not going to hurt it. 23:25.500 --> 23:27.880 A few people doing that, it's perfectly fine. 23:27.980 --> 23:29.380 We welcome that. 23:29.820 --> 23:34.320 Whatever it takes to get people listening to the show, we're completely, we're all for it. 23:34.360 --> 23:36.480 We'll support it and we'll do whatever we can to accommodate it. 23:36.480 --> 23:39.080 So, that's an easy answer. 23:40.380 --> 23:42.560 Um, you feel like doing an email or what? 23:43.200 --> 23:44.880 I think I'll do the next few, sure. 23:45.100 --> 23:45.400 Okay. 23:45.880 --> 23:49.020 And we have an email from Chris that says, yo, stankin' co-hosts. 23:49.020 --> 23:51.480 And I'll just reply back saying, hey, random listener. 23:52.020 --> 23:52.380 Okay. 23:52.740 --> 23:53.820 He says, I love your show. 23:53.820 --> 23:57.180 I'll get straight to the point because I know you don't like long emails. 23:58.520 --> 24:03.860 As you are in episode 93, I just would like to ask if you would do an extra special episode 24:03.860 --> 24:04.800 for number 100. 24:05.360 --> 24:07.760 I'm going to get your three magazine pack once I get the money. 24:08.000 --> 24:08.240 Yay! 24:09.160 --> 24:10.860 I've been listening to your show, P.S. 24:10.900 --> 24:14.120 I've been listening to your show for a long time and I feel this is embarrassing, but what 24:14.120 --> 24:20.160 does the words elite or leet or leet, and he has different misspellings here, um, you 24:20.160 --> 24:20.720 know what I mean. 24:21.940 --> 24:22.920 And we do know what you mean. 24:22.920 --> 24:25.640 They're not misspellings, they're alternate spellings. 24:25.720 --> 24:27.120 Alternate spellings, yes, there we go. 24:27.240 --> 24:27.660 There you go. 24:28.600 --> 24:31.920 Technically, when you say L-I-T-E, that's light, but... 24:32.440 --> 24:35.000 Uh, no, he's got an apostrophe in front of it. 24:36.160 --> 24:40.080 The apostrophe means it's replacing a letter, in this case E. 24:41.840 --> 24:44.220 Oh, come on, you don't want to debate leet with me. 24:44.300 --> 24:45.600 See, here's my whole thing about leet. 24:46.000 --> 24:49.600 I contend that in leet, there is no misspellings. 24:50.120 --> 24:51.300 There's no such thing. 24:51.300 --> 24:54.420 Um, but anyway, that's a whole nother topic. 24:54.420 --> 24:54.880 Yeah, I think the way you type. 24:55.500 --> 24:56.160 Yeah, right. 24:57.720 --> 24:58.080 Exactly. 24:59.080 --> 25:03.780 Um, actually, we just mentioned this a second ago, so, um, yeah, I guess we kind of just 25:03.780 --> 25:06.140 said that episode 100 would be a special. 25:06.220 --> 25:09.080 It's actually going to be another telephonic craptacular. 25:09.200 --> 25:10.300 We're going to have some phone calls. 25:10.300 --> 25:14.060 We already have some stuff recorded, some interesting, um, interesting things. 25:14.080 --> 25:17.780 Didn't we talk about this on IRC as going to be the telephonic craptacular extravaganza? 25:18.360 --> 25:20.320 Oh, yeah, I think this was going to be the... 25:20.320 --> 25:21.760 Well, because this is going to be the last one. 25:21.760 --> 25:22.860 It'll be 100 or something. 25:23.060 --> 25:26.700 This is going to be the last official telephonic craptacular. 25:26.700 --> 25:31.360 So, yes, it will be the telephonic craptacular extravaganza, year-end finale. 25:31.960 --> 25:32.480 I don't know. 25:33.080 --> 25:36.980 This will be the extravaganza because, you know what, we've got Freak Factor now, and 25:36.980 --> 25:39.480 that's going to be where phone calls and stuff are going to be happening. 25:39.480 --> 25:45.980 So, gathering together every 25, like we've been doing traditionally, it's fun and all, 25:46.260 --> 25:50.520 but, um, it's kind of hard to do them, quite honestly. 25:51.060 --> 25:54.820 So, I'd rather just do them spontaneously on Freak Factor and just get them out there 25:54.820 --> 25:58.740 because the other fun thing is you'll get to hear some of the failures, some of the 25:58.740 --> 26:02.440 ones that don't work out because they don't always work the first try or the second try 26:02.440 --> 26:03.440 or the tenth try. 26:04.460 --> 26:05.800 Calling Sony support. 26:07.460 --> 26:08.600 I do have a funny one. 26:08.600 --> 26:09.100 Don't ruin it. 26:09.120 --> 26:09.540 Don't ruin it. 26:09.580 --> 26:10.780 That's going to be on this upcoming one. 26:10.960 --> 26:11.680 Oh, it is going on. 26:12.340 --> 26:12.660 Sorry. 26:12.960 --> 26:15.420 It took a couple tries to get that one to work. 26:16.100 --> 26:18.080 It took a couple tries to get that one to work. 26:18.140 --> 26:20.460 Well, it depends on which Sony one you're talking about, but anyway. 26:20.560 --> 26:24.600 The one that we did right the night before episode 75 or whatever it was. 26:24.620 --> 26:26.380 Oh, yeah, that was on 75, but, yeah. 26:26.500 --> 26:27.260 Oh, yeah, that was. 26:27.620 --> 26:28.760 Yeah, I have a better one. 26:28.940 --> 26:30.720 I have another one for the upcoming one. 26:30.760 --> 26:32.120 But, anyway, don't give it away. 26:32.240 --> 26:33.140 Don't give away my stuff. 26:34.000 --> 26:38.460 Also, yeah, I also just mentioned that episode 104, that is our second year, 26:38.460 --> 26:39.480 anniversary special. 26:40.820 --> 26:46.000 I have a lot of things that I want to do that I've got planned that I'm going 26:46.000 --> 26:46.860 to try to do. 26:47.460 --> 26:49.540 I don't know how long it's going to take. 26:50.220 --> 26:55.380 I've spoke with Rant Radio about maybe expanding our time slot for that special 26:55.380 --> 26:58.020 episode, which is going to be special for a number of reasons. 26:58.920 --> 27:02.880 But two years is a very big accomplishment, and I'm very proud of it. 27:02.940 --> 27:07.760 So I wanted to, I'm not going to give any of it away, but there's going to be a lot 27:07.760 --> 27:08.080 of stuff. 27:08.160 --> 27:12.900 If there's one episode to listen to live, that is the one to do it with. 27:13.760 --> 27:16.460 So make sure you come around for that. 27:16.460 --> 27:17.800 Is it 104 going to be live? 27:18.340 --> 27:21.780 A 104 will, I'm planning on. 27:22.700 --> 27:26.040 Oh, if all goes according to plan, will it be live? 27:27.380 --> 27:28.960 Parts of it, yes. 27:29.460 --> 27:30.000 Parts of it? 27:30.100 --> 27:30.620 Parts of it. 27:31.020 --> 27:33.320 I would like to, well, see, I don't want to give this all away. 27:33.480 --> 27:34.080 I want to do some. 27:34.220 --> 27:35.820 Okay, well, let's move on in. 27:36.120 --> 27:37.240 Let's talk about Leap Speak. 27:37.240 --> 27:39.040 Now I have to, because we've opened it up. 27:39.160 --> 27:42.980 But the short, long and short of it is, I'd like to do a pre-recorded, maybe I'll do a 27:42.980 --> 27:49.680 pre-recorded hour and a half, normal length show, and then go live on DDP Hack Radio or 27:49.680 --> 27:50.300 something like that. 27:50.360 --> 27:50.820 I don't know. 27:50.880 --> 27:51.420 We will see. 27:51.560 --> 27:53.040 In Riverview, this is your life. 27:56.120 --> 27:57.760 Nobody knows that one either, by the way. 27:59.120 --> 28:00.760 They watch Sesame Street, they might have. 28:01.560 --> 28:01.840 Hmm. 28:02.460 --> 28:04.420 I was singing Sesame Street on Freak Factor, by the way. 28:04.440 --> 28:04.980 Did you catch that? 28:05.340 --> 28:05.960 Yes, I did. 28:05.960 --> 28:07.060 That was kind of scary. 28:07.240 --> 28:09.960 And actually, at that point, I believe I was watching Full Metal Alchemist. 28:11.020 --> 28:11.340 Yeah. 28:11.360 --> 28:13.460 Because you are cutting into my Saturday Night Anime. 28:13.840 --> 28:14.580 Oh, jeez. 28:14.620 --> 28:16.040 Like, you can't watch that any time? 28:17.160 --> 28:19.520 Well, I mean, I have a TV, but I want to see it live. 28:19.600 --> 28:21.160 It was the finale of, like, two of them. 28:21.280 --> 28:22.340 Oh, please. 28:22.840 --> 28:25.220 Dude, it was like episode 26, A Ghost in the Shell. 28:25.340 --> 28:25.800 I mean, you know. 28:26.960 --> 28:28.340 Shit, I have to watch that. 28:28.460 --> 28:29.460 I think, you know what I think? 28:29.500 --> 28:35.640 I think you, or somebody, you, maybe you and somebody, I think DDP Hack Radio needs an anime 28:35.640 --> 28:36.000 show. 28:36.000 --> 28:39.500 Well, there's certainly enough material for it. 28:39.800 --> 28:41.200 Black Ratchet at Black Ratchet. 28:41.720 --> 28:42.800 Yeah, exactly. 28:42.920 --> 28:43.380 I'm serious. 28:43.560 --> 28:44.740 I would totally put that on. 28:45.280 --> 28:46.180 I think that's a cool show. 28:46.180 --> 28:46.380 Yeah, I'll do that. 28:46.440 --> 28:47.020 That's no problem. 28:47.980 --> 28:50.620 I think you've got other, a lot of other things on your plate right now. 28:50.760 --> 28:53.220 Yeah, so sadly, I'll coordinate it. 28:53.220 --> 28:53.640 There we go. 28:53.640 --> 28:54.760 I was going to say, you can help out. 28:54.760 --> 28:55.420 I'll help minions. 28:56.560 --> 29:01.560 As far as the word elite, I mean, there is no magical story, if that's what you're looking 29:01.560 --> 29:01.820 for. 29:01.900 --> 29:07.600 There's really no special, like, history to the word, other than the simple fact of what 29:07.600 --> 29:08.420 the word means. 29:08.500 --> 29:12.600 I mean, it means the same in hacking circles as it does in other circles. 29:12.600 --> 29:16.780 It's just that we tend to use the word more than the normals. 29:17.780 --> 29:21.200 It's a word we used on, like, the first episode of the show that I've always found appropriate. 29:21.520 --> 29:22.880 The normals don't use words. 29:22.920 --> 29:23.860 They use words like cool. 29:24.200 --> 29:25.960 You can use it in place of cool if you want. 29:26.020 --> 29:26.520 That's cool. 29:26.620 --> 29:27.200 That's awesome. 29:27.200 --> 29:29.020 We don't say cool or awesome. 29:29.140 --> 29:30.180 We usually say elite. 29:30.960 --> 29:32.580 Actually, I want to interview you here. 29:32.660 --> 29:38.400 I was flipping through the TV, and for some reason, I somehow stuck it on, like, you know, 29:38.960 --> 29:42.960 Pimp My Ride, or one of those, like, you know, Let's Bling Out the Car Shows. 29:43.180 --> 29:43.580 All right. 29:43.780 --> 29:48.440 And I did hear one of the, you know, hosts say, man, that is elite. 29:48.560 --> 29:50.420 I was like, oh, my God, he did not just say that. 29:50.560 --> 29:51.480 Oh, no. 29:51.700 --> 29:54.000 If they, man, we can't let it go pop. 29:54.900 --> 29:56.840 We can't let elite speak go pop. 29:56.840 --> 29:57.280 Please. 29:57.280 --> 30:00.800 Yeah, I was shocked and triggered when I saw that, at which point I was just like, I 30:00.800 --> 30:02.760 didn't see that, and I started flipping at the channels immediately. 30:03.640 --> 30:04.940 Oh, man. 30:05.120 --> 30:05.960 That is so not cool. 30:05.960 --> 30:06.520 That is elite. 30:06.660 --> 30:07.960 I was like, oh, God, no. 30:08.420 --> 30:10.480 Yeah, that's not cool at all. 30:10.740 --> 30:12.280 I'm going to have to find a new cool word. 30:12.940 --> 30:13.240 Yeah. 30:13.620 --> 30:14.580 Anyway, it's, um. 30:14.580 --> 30:16.140 But luckily, he didn't call anyone a noob, so. 30:16.500 --> 30:17.220 Yeah, not yet. 30:17.340 --> 30:17.960 Give him time. 30:18.400 --> 30:18.900 Yeah, I know. 30:19.800 --> 30:20.360 Oh, man. 30:20.360 --> 30:23.480 I'm going to be like, you know, DJ noob in the noob festival. 30:24.380 --> 30:25.100 DJ elite. 30:25.840 --> 30:26.480 DJ elite. 30:26.760 --> 30:27.120 All right. 30:27.120 --> 30:27.800 DJ in your neck. 30:28.360 --> 30:32.740 Like, but just in general, you know, just a general definition of elite. 30:32.860 --> 30:38.760 Is that somebody or something that is just the top of the, top of the, the best of the 30:38.760 --> 30:39.100 best. 30:39.860 --> 30:42.400 I, I, just something that rises above everyone else. 30:42.460 --> 30:44.660 Something that is absolutely elite in comparison. 30:44.660 --> 30:47.400 It can be referring to something else. 30:47.400 --> 30:53.180 Like, you can say, um, that article from Lucky 225 is the most elite article in that 30:53.180 --> 30:54.360 issue of 2600. 30:54.800 --> 30:54.980 Yeah. 30:54.980 --> 30:55.480 So that way. 30:55.480 --> 30:58.960 Like, it's, it's essentially, you just compare it like, you know, oh, man, that's elite. 30:59.040 --> 31:01.960 That's essentially, you know, a regular person saying, oh, man, that's cool. 31:01.960 --> 31:03.140 Right, right. 31:03.140 --> 31:06.740 It's so, but it, it can be used if you're referring to something specifically like the 31:06.740 --> 31:10.480 most elite of this or the most elite of that. 31:10.480 --> 31:15.760 Or, yes, like you said, just a general term to describe something, oldschoolfreak.com 31:15.760 --> 31:17.920 is elite or elite or whatever. 31:18.120 --> 31:21.260 So they're all, the word, it doesn't matter how you spell it or whether you say elite, 31:21.620 --> 31:25.480 elite, 31337, whatever, it all means the same thing. 31:25.800 --> 31:31.280 It's just that instead of words like cool, hackers generally dig deeper into their vocabulary 31:31.280 --> 31:33.600 for different words than common words. 31:34.600 --> 31:35.100 I don't know. 31:36.740 --> 31:38.200 We're just more creative that way, I guess. 31:38.320 --> 31:38.900 I guess. 31:38.900 --> 31:41.940 I guess, I guess, as soon as they take elite away, we'll come up with something else, I 31:41.940 --> 31:42.540 bet, I guess. 31:44.320 --> 31:46.920 Like, um, Rapscallion. 31:47.820 --> 31:51.720 Yeah, that's going to be, that's going to be so hard to, like, you know, type of, like, 31:51.760 --> 31:53.460 you know, apps and number ones. 31:55.120 --> 31:56.000 One, one, LOL. 31:56.940 --> 31:58.440 Okay, um, let's see. 31:58.560 --> 32:01.520 You want to, you want to do, tell you what, why don't you finish out the email today? 32:01.600 --> 32:02.460 Can you do, you do the email. 32:02.460 --> 32:06.380 Okay, we have an email from Febster, and he says, I believe the basic language is still used 32:06.380 --> 32:09.420 in calculator applications, and the TI-83 and the like. 32:09.940 --> 32:12.860 That's the only way, that's the only way it's really used for that I know of. 32:13.880 --> 32:17.040 And I'm going to say that a TI-83 does not use basic. 32:17.480 --> 32:23.100 It uses a, a very simple language, but it does not use basic, not in any way, shape, or form. 32:23.100 --> 32:25.280 I thought it was actually called TI-Basic. 32:26.480 --> 32:32.340 If it's, it's, if it's basic, it's not, it's not, it bears a little resemblance of the actual basic. 32:32.820 --> 32:38.040 I, I really have no idea on this, but I thought that, yeah, some calculators use it. 32:38.040 --> 32:41.140 I thought it was actually called TI-Basic, but I could be way off on that. 32:41.720 --> 32:42.380 It, it might be. 32:42.440 --> 32:47.360 I'm not exactly sure of what the title is, but I believe that it, I mean, I think it used 32:47.360 --> 32:50.620 some similar commands, but it really doesn't work that way. 32:50.620 --> 32:55.340 Hmm, well, isn't basic also used for a lot of microcontrollers? 32:56.000 --> 32:57.240 They're written in some basic language. 32:57.320 --> 33:01.200 It's not, maybe not traditional basic that we know, and maybe, like you said, some sort 33:01.200 --> 33:07.160 of hybrid with assembly or some kind of lower level basic, and maybe that is the same with 33:07.160 --> 33:09.400 the TI, because you're interfacing with hardware directly. 33:09.540 --> 33:12.640 Maybe it's a little bit of a, a bastardized version of basic. 33:15.600 --> 33:16.280 I don't know. 33:16.280 --> 33:16.780 I guess you could say that. 33:16.780 --> 33:20.780 Well, he, I mean, yeah, okay, I'll agree with you there. 33:21.000 --> 33:25.100 Yeah, I, I just don't, I don't see, the whole, the point we made, and the reason that the 33:25.100 --> 33:28.180 Fubster wrote in is because we had said that basic is basically dead. 33:28.260 --> 33:30.080 There's no need for it, no use for it. 33:30.720 --> 33:34.760 Um, we did say that it is there, and we're not disrespecting or saying it doesn't exist, 33:34.760 --> 33:38.920 but if you're thinking that you're going to get a job in it, no, that's not, probably 33:38.920 --> 33:43.180 not going to happen, and especially not like you're going to get experience and then go 33:43.180 --> 33:46.440 get a job, and you might learn it after you get to a job or something like that. 33:46.480 --> 33:50.000 It might be necessary for you to learn it, but you're not going to study that in college. 33:50.080 --> 33:51.520 You're not going to, like, go after that. 33:51.580 --> 33:57.100 I wouldn't waste time with that, and, and generally for hackers, unless you've got the calculator 33:57.100 --> 34:01.860 and you want to hack away at it, there's not really much need for most hackers to use 34:01.860 --> 34:03.460 basic in general either. 34:04.080 --> 34:06.460 I, I wrote programs for my calculator, that's about it. 34:06.660 --> 34:07.480 Yeah, that's, that's. 34:07.480 --> 34:09.660 I'm going to have to find my TA-83, and I'm going to have to look at that now. 34:09.820 --> 34:10.020 Yeah. 34:10.780 --> 34:14.380 All right, and, uh, one more, let's do one more email, and then we, we still have time, 34:14.420 --> 34:16.240 we'll do our main topic, we've still got good time left. 34:16.680 --> 34:18.480 Oh, we've got plenty of time left, we've got a week to half hour. 34:18.700 --> 34:19.040 Oh, yeah. 34:19.500 --> 34:23.480 And so we have an email from CodeMonkey, and it says, hello, Mr. Dog, even though I'm reading 34:23.480 --> 34:27.040 it, but anyway, first let me off, first off, let me say, what's 34:27.040 --> 34:28.420 up to you and your current co-host? 34:28.920 --> 34:29.280 Yay! 34:30.020 --> 34:32.160 I just had a few quick things that I want to touch on. 34:32.280 --> 34:37.920 Last week, episode 94, you talked about VB.net being an OOP, or Object-Orient Programming. 34:38.360 --> 34:41.480 Not, I'm sorry, not being, not being. 34:41.480 --> 34:42.280 Not being, oh, sorry. 34:42.380 --> 34:43.160 I, I, I said last week. 34:43.160 --> 34:44.680 I told you, I can't read these emails. 34:46.300 --> 34:48.320 As you know, I'm a VB.net programmer. 34:48.640 --> 34:49.660 Ooh, I feel sorry for him. 34:50.580 --> 34:54.380 I write a lot of programs in data retrieval and parsing, what we refer to as page scrapers. 34:54.540 --> 34:56.360 Everything in VB.net is now an object. 34:56.360 --> 34:57.780 This is due to the class structure. 34:58.360 --> 35:02.740 Everything inherits from system, example, system.operatingsystem, or system.encryption, 35:02.840 --> 35:03.360 and so on. 35:03.940 --> 35:07.980 If any of your listeners would be interested in a decent, very tech-based, sometimes dry 35:07.980 --> 35:14.640 radio show about .net programming, they should check out www.franklins.net and click on 35:14.640 --> 35:15.880 .net rocks in the corner. 35:17.020 --> 35:21.960 Also, I've heard you talking about the few, past few weeks slash month about your in-house 35:21.960 --> 35:22.960 server. 35:22.960 --> 35:26.620 You have mentioned that you are using an MS Server 2003 that is now a dynamic storage 35:26.620 --> 35:27.440 set up with spinning. 35:27.440 --> 35:31.180 I was wondering why you would do this, because it has zero fault tolerance. 35:31.680 --> 35:35.780 I may be making an ask myself right now, because I know you were talking about this on a past 35:35.780 --> 35:36.000 show. 35:36.380 --> 35:38.240 I just didn't hear your reason for using spinning. 35:38.440 --> 35:41.920 With a terabyte of space spread out over seven hard drives, it would make the most sense 35:41.920 --> 35:42.820 to you, RAID 5. 35:42.820 --> 35:47.940 Anyway, I'm sure you know all of this, but I thought it would make a suggestion anyway. 35:48.700 --> 35:55.040 I also wanted to know how much did your server cost you when you built it? 35:56.760 --> 35:57.480 All right. 35:57.540 --> 36:00.560 I can't answer this question, considering that I don't work at your place. 36:00.680 --> 36:00.880 Okay. 36:01.020 --> 36:04.160 Let me start with the bottom and work backwards on this email, then. 36:05.200 --> 36:07.540 How much did I spend on the server when I built it? 36:07.540 --> 36:12.660 Well, it's not a real server, it's a hacker server, which means it's an old box I had laying 36:12.660 --> 36:12.960 around. 36:13.760 --> 36:16.540 So, it's an Athlon 2000, I think. 36:16.640 --> 36:20.580 It might be an Athlon 1800, but it's somewhere in that ballpark range, 512 RAM. 36:20.620 --> 36:22.460 I don't have a box with less than 512 anymore. 36:24.760 --> 36:28.120 So, it's not like I spent any money and bought a nice server. 36:28.260 --> 36:34.700 I put together what I had laying around, which is also why it's a bunch of EIDE hard drives. 36:34.960 --> 36:36.100 They're not serial ATA. 36:36.100 --> 36:38.200 They're just good old-fashioned IDE. 36:38.580 --> 36:44.780 So, not the best top-of-the-line solution for backups or whatever, but, you know, I'm 36:44.780 --> 36:45.740 making do with what I had. 36:45.800 --> 36:48.900 The only thing that I really spent any money on were the hard drives themselves. 36:49.080 --> 36:54.580 I did go, I bought those a while back, actually, in preparation for this. 36:55.160 --> 36:59.620 And I bought, like, I think four in one batch and then two in another batch. 37:00.020 --> 37:02.840 And I paid, like, either $89 or $99 for them. 37:02.840 --> 37:07.360 And I waited, and you can, if you're just patient and watch and plan ahead, you can buy 37:07.360 --> 37:13.380 hard drives, 250-gig hard drives for $99 all day, not all day long, but if you just watch 37:13.380 --> 37:19.460 once every month or two, Best Buy, Fry's Electronics, Compuso, whatever your local store of choice, 37:19.520 --> 37:21.320 Circuit Shitty, they'll always have. 37:21.320 --> 37:22.320 Do you have a five-ton of Florida? 37:22.380 --> 37:22.660 I'm curious. 37:22.660 --> 37:25.800 No, we don't, but I know a lot of people do, so that's why I mentioned it. 37:25.880 --> 37:26.640 No, we don't have those. 37:26.860 --> 37:29.320 When I go to DEF CON, I'm going to Fry's. 37:29.400 --> 37:30.340 Trump is going to take me in. 37:30.660 --> 37:32.680 He says it's an experience, so I need to go. 37:32.900 --> 37:33.460 Yeah, I definitely don't. 37:33.460 --> 37:34.560 We have none of them up in Boston. 37:34.820 --> 37:36.460 Yeah, well, count me in on that. 37:37.300 --> 37:37.840 Oh, yeah, that's true. 37:37.900 --> 37:38.660 Yeah, we'll be there, won't you? 37:38.800 --> 37:39.640 Yeah, hopefully. 37:39.760 --> 37:41.740 I think we're going to have a DEP field trip. 37:41.860 --> 37:44.740 We're going to get a big, big, yellow, short, yellow bus, and we can all, like, you know, 37:44.860 --> 37:46.240 hang out the windows and go, whee! 37:46.380 --> 37:47.960 Oh, see, why has it got to be a short bus? 37:48.000 --> 37:48.820 What's up with that? 37:49.240 --> 37:51.160 Oh, look at our crew, geez. 37:51.280 --> 37:52.920 Oh, yeah, I guess good point, you're right. 37:54.420 --> 37:58.640 All right, well, we'll take a short bus trip to the strip club, if that's what we've got to do. 38:01.300 --> 38:02.460 Anyway, 99 bucks. 38:02.460 --> 38:03.560 That'd be pretty funny watching that pull in. 38:03.560 --> 38:07.600 Yeah, it's 99 bucks, 89 bucks, no rebates. 38:07.720 --> 38:12.380 If you just watch around, you can usually find that deal just about anywhere, so it's not that rare anymore. 38:12.640 --> 38:14.720 The storage is so cheap now. 38:14.720 --> 38:19.060 So, that's for, again, for IDE, not for serial ATA. 38:19.220 --> 38:23.700 Serial ATA, you'll have to look a little bit harder to find those prices, and you might not. 38:23.800 --> 38:27.040 I mean, that's pretty, I don't know if I've seen those, but anyway. 38:28.000 --> 38:29.380 I just want to interrupt you for a second. 38:29.480 --> 38:29.680 Sure. 38:30.020 --> 38:31.180 Doug says he loves you. 38:31.760 --> 38:33.060 Well, of course he does. 38:33.060 --> 38:37.660 I mean, can anybody not love all the stankness that is me? 38:38.460 --> 38:38.980 Oh, wait a minute. 38:39.060 --> 38:43.200 Yeah, I guess everybody doesn't, except for Tron. 38:43.280 --> 38:43.880 Tron loves me. 38:44.300 --> 38:46.700 Ask him if, ask Doug if he loves me more than Tron. 38:46.820 --> 38:47.960 That's the real question. 38:48.880 --> 38:52.440 If he loves me more than Tron, then that's something. 38:52.680 --> 38:54.240 Then I'd be, then I might get verklempt. 38:54.880 --> 38:56.820 Do you love Stank more than Tron? 38:57.640 --> 39:00.480 I can't believe you're talking, chatting while we're doing the show. 39:01.640 --> 39:01.920 Anyway. 39:02.040 --> 39:02.640 We're just diundry. 39:02.880 --> 39:07.780 Total, total cost of about five, six hundred, well, six hundred bucks, I guess, six hard drives. 39:07.780 --> 39:12.040 Um, so, but I spent that over, like I said, the course of a couple months. 39:12.160 --> 39:14.400 So, that's really all the money that was put into it. 39:14.420 --> 39:17.120 Everything else was parts I had layering around, yada, yada, yada. 39:17.120 --> 39:25.940 Now, as far as why I went with that, well, I think you might have missed an episode or something in there where I went into a little bit more detail. 39:25.940 --> 39:31.160 Uh, first of all, it was an old Windows, it was a Windows XP installation, not Server 2003. 39:32.340 --> 39:42.100 Like a moron, I tried to do it in XP, and I thought I had set it up as RAID 5, but XP does not do that. 39:42.100 --> 39:43.640 So, I'm not RAID 5, you noob. 39:43.780 --> 39:44.900 Yes, yeah, I am. 39:45.080 --> 39:46.740 Aren't you like MCSE or something? 39:46.860 --> 39:47.640 Or MCBB? 39:48.200 --> 39:48.820 What is that? 39:48.940 --> 39:49.400 What the hell? 39:49.980 --> 39:53.020 I thought you were some type of Microsoft certification, or wrong with your... 39:53.020 --> 39:53.500 Oh, no. 39:53.940 --> 39:55.660 Oh, no, no, no, that's just it. 39:55.700 --> 39:58.520 I don't know this stuff, and that's why I'm learning it. 39:58.640 --> 40:06.080 I put, I, and that's the second part of the story, is the reason you heard Server 2003 come into the picture is because I bought it. 40:06.160 --> 40:11.640 Because I do, I am going to be studying, or I am studying for the MCDBA, but I do not... 40:11.640 --> 40:12.840 Ah, okay, that's what I must have been confusing. 40:12.840 --> 40:15.680 Right, but I do not know Server 2003. 40:15.840 --> 40:18.900 I do not know some of the server things, so that's just it. 40:18.900 --> 40:25.220 I'm doing it, A, to learn, and B, because I do want to set up the system at my house for central storage, so... 40:25.220 --> 40:27.120 I want to get an EIEIO myself. 40:28.060 --> 40:29.900 Okay, is that anything like an LMNOP? 40:30.660 --> 40:31.540 Yeah, yes, actually. 40:31.780 --> 40:33.260 They're both formed by the same company. 40:33.460 --> 40:33.900 Oh, okay. 40:34.040 --> 40:35.280 Well, yeah, it makes sense, I guess. 40:35.800 --> 40:37.080 WXYZ Incorporated. 40:38.360 --> 40:40.740 Versioning might be difficult, but... 40:40.740 --> 40:41.860 So, that's it for that. 40:41.860 --> 40:44.040 And Doug says it's equal feelings for you both. 40:44.620 --> 40:46.960 Oh, that is, see, that's such a cop-out answer. 40:46.960 --> 40:51.640 Anyway, um, let's see here. 40:51.760 --> 40:54.020 So, did you want to add anything to the visual basic comment? 40:54.800 --> 40:59.960 Well, um, I mean, that was one of the points when I was going down Route 24 in Massachusetts, 41:00.920 --> 41:03.240 just passing the Dunkin' Donuts and saying, 41:03.820 --> 41:05.420 Dear God, what's wrong with you people? 41:05.520 --> 41:07.340 VB.net is all object-orientated. 41:07.340 --> 41:15.460 Now, wait a minute, now, educate me on this, because that did not happen until .NET. 41:15.980 --> 41:20.820 No, that VB6 was, besides being a horrible implementation of a programming language, 41:20.960 --> 41:24.060 was not object-orientated at all. 41:24.140 --> 41:25.140 Okay, so I thought... 41:25.140 --> 41:29.120 But .NET is, you know, all object-orientated, juicy, double-flavored goodness. 41:29.640 --> 41:31.560 So, only with .NET did that happen. 41:31.760 --> 41:32.260 Is that true? 41:32.680 --> 41:37.440 So, I guess I was not clear, because I was aware of that, 41:37.860 --> 41:42.800 and I thought I even made the point on the show to say that the whole point of the .NET architecture 41:42.800 --> 41:46.280 is that all of the languages can now communicate, 41:46.440 --> 41:48.740 because they're using that universal class library. 41:49.020 --> 41:49.380 Indeed. 41:49.620 --> 41:50.980 So, I thought I had pointed... 41:50.980 --> 41:54.880 So, you did say at one point that, you know, VB.net was sort of object-orientated, 41:54.980 --> 41:56.540 and I was like, well, no, not really. 41:56.640 --> 41:57.500 It's all object-orientated. 41:57.520 --> 41:58.660 All right, well, then that was probably... 41:58.660 --> 41:59.980 That was me misspeaking, then. 42:00.060 --> 42:03.720 I guess I meant to say VB6, which is the one before .NET. 42:04.240 --> 42:04.580 Indeed. 42:04.760 --> 42:06.520 Okay, so, okay, so there we go. 42:06.580 --> 42:07.060 So, it was... 42:07.060 --> 42:07.720 I misspoke. 42:08.840 --> 42:12.340 But, I mean, at the same time, I'll admit I am not that well-versed on VB.net. 42:12.440 --> 42:13.840 That's something else that I'm learning now. 42:13.840 --> 42:20.640 Along with VB.net's special short-bust cousin, Visual Basic for Applications... 42:20.640 --> 42:21.860 Oh, God. 42:21.860 --> 42:23.220 I don't have a choice. 42:23.320 --> 42:24.620 I'm forced to do it for work. 42:24.720 --> 42:26.720 Don't ask, and I don't want to go into it. 42:26.740 --> 42:28.420 It's too painful to discuss. 42:28.860 --> 42:29.540 Seriously, man. 42:29.600 --> 42:32.040 Just have, like, rats gnaw the flesh off your fingers. 42:32.400 --> 42:33.840 It's the same experience, really. 42:33.840 --> 42:34.260 I would rather. 42:34.320 --> 42:35.340 I would rather that. 42:35.340 --> 42:38.200 I would rather stick my head into boiling lava. 42:38.200 --> 42:48.200 But, unfortunately, I don't get paid for sticking my head in boiling lava, so... 42:48.200 --> 42:48.980 All right. 42:49.060 --> 42:50.740 Anyway, I think that's it. 42:50.900 --> 42:51.940 Oh, I did get... 42:51.940 --> 42:57.080 Again, I got a lot of email, some other things, people giving their opinions, and some facts 42:57.080 --> 42:59.840 about other parts of the programming show. 42:59.840 --> 43:02.340 And I did get one clarification. 43:02.700 --> 43:05.080 I got an anonymous email, we'll say. 43:05.080 --> 43:11.060 I'll try to say, if I keep stumbling over my words here, who clarified that I made another 43:11.060 --> 43:13.220 comment, and I admitted that I didn't know this. 43:13.260 --> 43:15.220 This person's just clarifying, which I appreciate. 43:15.680 --> 43:21.580 I stated on the show that the last ANSI C standard was sometime in the 80s. 43:21.640 --> 43:25.680 I wasn't sure of the exact year, but I thought it was, like, 1985 or in the mid-80s. 43:25.960 --> 43:33.440 It was actually 1989, 1989-90, and apparently there was an update in 1999, and I admit I did 43:33.440 --> 43:39.040 not know that, a 1999 update, but, again, as this anonymous person points out, that they 43:39.040 --> 43:45.860 were not welcomed by the developer community, so it's pretty much well and large ignored 43:45.860 --> 43:46.880 from what I understand. 43:48.900 --> 43:50.360 So, that's good information. 43:50.400 --> 43:50.600 Thank you for that. 43:50.600 --> 43:51.400 I'll take your word for it. 43:51.420 --> 43:51.840 I don't know. 43:51.840 --> 43:58.820 Yeah, I have to take this person's word for it, because I did not even know that a 99 update 43:58.820 --> 44:01.040 happened, so thank you for the clarification. 44:01.380 --> 44:06.540 89-90 was the last ANSI C standard, and still holding strong. 44:06.620 --> 44:07.340 It's still good stuff. 44:08.640 --> 44:11.580 Okay, we do have, we've got, we're okay on time. 44:11.740 --> 44:12.660 We're fine on time. 44:12.660 --> 44:19.880 Let's, um, let's do a little bit of show-and-tell, wrap up the old mailbag, and, um, I guess I'll 44:19.880 --> 44:25.540 go first, because I'm not sure if you have any show-and-tell stuff, but, um, I had my 44:25.540 --> 44:31.900 2600 meeting last week, which went well, um, uh, hung out with the cookie girl for a while. 44:32.520 --> 44:33.880 That was, that's always nice. 44:34.720 --> 44:41.840 Um, Cy Pete gave a little demonstration, a big demonstration on his, um, car PC project. 44:41.840 --> 44:47.100 He's putting a PC in his car that is voice, uh, driven, using, um, Linux. 44:47.100 --> 44:50.540 You know, that's really weird, because there's some, I think there was someone in my 2600 44:50.540 --> 44:51.660 meeting doing the same thing. 44:51.920 --> 44:57.420 Yeah, it's, um, funny that everybody hated my car hacking, but there's a lot of car hacking 44:57.420 --> 44:58.340 projects coming out. 44:58.860 --> 45:02.980 Granted, mine is, uh, I have technical footage of car hacking that I was doing that hasn't 45:02.980 --> 45:03.660 made it out yet. 45:03.740 --> 45:06.980 Don't yell at me, but Hack TV will eventually get back on track. 45:07.580 --> 45:11.560 Um, but yeah, there's a lot of people that are, that are, uh, getting into this kind of 45:11.560 --> 45:12.280 stuff now, so. 45:12.320 --> 45:16.540 There's people outside my house right now holding signs that we want, we want Hack TV. 45:16.660 --> 45:17.780 Yeah, I know, I know. 45:18.220 --> 45:18.940 They've got a little game. 45:18.940 --> 45:19.640 Oh, God, they're throwing eggs. 45:19.840 --> 45:21.540 They've got a little game out in the forums. 45:21.640 --> 45:22.180 I saw it. 45:22.200 --> 45:23.340 They're out there trying to guess. 45:23.660 --> 45:27.060 They've got, like, a pool going of who's going to guess when Hack TV finally drops. 45:27.360 --> 45:28.780 Oh, man, I must have missed that. 45:28.800 --> 45:29.620 I'm going to check that out. 45:29.800 --> 45:30.120 Yeah. 45:30.680 --> 45:33.460 Don't, you can't, you are, you are not eligible as a DDP member. 45:33.460 --> 45:35.000 Oh, obviously, but it'd still be funny to look at. 45:35.000 --> 45:39.980 Yeah, so, sorry about that, but now, actually, we've got another thing that's stepped in front 45:39.980 --> 45:40.960 of the Hack TV project. 45:41.100 --> 45:45.900 We've got some forums issues to take care of, so, I just keep getting diverted on all these 45:45.900 --> 45:49.580 other things that need to be taken care of, and I just, I'm only one man. 45:49.720 --> 45:50.740 I'm only one person. 45:50.740 --> 45:57.760 Anyway, before I get brought down too depressed here, researching new forum software, like 45:57.760 --> 46:00.680 I mentioned, trying to prepare for DEF CON. 46:01.520 --> 46:05.540 Not only DEF CON, we have a DEF CON meeting, of course, each month, which comes up this 46:05.540 --> 46:13.060 Saturday for me, but also DEF CON in, actually, August 1st, I think, officially, right? 46:14.180 --> 46:14.440 Yes. 46:14.820 --> 46:15.340 End of July. 46:15.340 --> 46:17.620 Hold on, let me go pop up the website, because I wanted to check something on it anyway. 46:17.780 --> 46:19.320 Yeah, it's end of July, beginning of August. 46:19.320 --> 46:20.880 It's, I think, officially, August 1st, 2nd. 46:20.880 --> 46:22.980 I think it's July 29th to August 1st. 46:23.100 --> 46:23.920 Okay, there you go. 46:24.100 --> 46:24.260 There you go. 46:24.260 --> 46:27.100 I'm sorry, July 29th to 31st. 46:27.420 --> 46:27.700 Okay. 46:28.780 --> 46:36.260 So, trying to put together some presentation and possible talks for that, and just organizing, 46:36.460 --> 46:40.740 you know, timing and getting together for that naked Jell-O wrestling stuff that Black 46:40.740 --> 46:42.260 Ratchet and I were going to try to do. 46:42.680 --> 46:44.000 Oh, was that not for the air? 46:45.120 --> 46:46.740 No, no, we're going to sell tickets. 46:47.080 --> 46:48.940 Oh, you're right, you're damn right we are. 46:49.320 --> 46:52.280 That's going to be the special, you know, Hack TV Easter egg. 46:52.460 --> 46:55.800 Is this, is it bring your own thong, or do we have to supply? 46:57.720 --> 46:58.660 Never mind, nobody wants to. 46:58.660 --> 46:59.120 We did share. 46:59.880 --> 47:02.420 Oh, no, you did not say we share. 47:02.980 --> 47:05.720 Oh, I think I just threw up a little bit in my mouth. 47:08.840 --> 47:10.100 So, that's it. 47:10.100 --> 47:16.260 Oh, I had my disposable email article was published in this issue of 2600 that just came out. 47:16.380 --> 47:17.480 Oh, damn, I forgot to pick that up today. 47:17.660 --> 47:21.060 Yeah, and of course, everybody already knows all about that because I talked about it on 47:21.060 --> 47:26.680 the show, and we released the Will Hack for Food, and I presented that topic in my Interzone 47:26.680 --> 47:28.500 4 presentation a couple months ago. 47:28.500 --> 47:34.780 So, 2600 printed the article that stemmed it all, or that at least got me going on the 47:34.780 --> 47:35.200 whole thing. 47:35.300 --> 47:36.960 So, that's in the current 2600. 47:37.740 --> 47:39.160 And that's about it for me. 47:41.080 --> 47:41.720 What do you got? 47:41.720 --> 47:44.040 Well, I really don't have much. 47:44.160 --> 47:48.900 I've been working on a couple of things with Yapple, and there's going to be a big announcement 47:48.900 --> 47:53.300 soon, as soon as I, you know, kick myself and finish the last little bit, but soon you'll 47:53.300 --> 47:56.700 be able to submit phones from the phone. 47:57.240 --> 47:57.460 All right. 47:57.460 --> 48:00.220 You'll be able to go to your pay phone and just dial up a number, and it'll automatically 48:00.220 --> 48:01.320 be submitted to Yapple. 48:01.660 --> 48:03.140 Very cool, very cool. 48:03.140 --> 48:06.720 And I'm also, this just sort of happened today, actually. 48:06.720 --> 48:13.500 I wrote a asterisk script that will, for those of you who don't know, there's a service called 48:13.500 --> 48:16.100 talky.com, and they run party lines. 48:16.860 --> 48:20.120 And there's a thing called a bulletin board, and you record messages, and it plays back 48:20.120 --> 48:23.240 to everybody, and everyone's been wanting one to run an asterisk. 48:23.300 --> 48:28.540 So, I decided to code it up today, and I was oddly inspired to run like a sort of code 48:28.540 --> 48:32.880 up all the rest of the stuff that talky.com has, and emulate it myself, and make my own 48:32.880 --> 48:35.940 little asterisk distribution where you can install it and have like, you know, party line 48:35.940 --> 48:36.340 at home. 48:37.320 --> 48:38.160 That's very cool. 48:38.240 --> 48:38.880 When are we going to see that? 48:38.900 --> 48:40.700 Yeah, I've been thinking about that. 48:40.820 --> 48:44.120 It just sort of occurred to me today, I haven't actually tried anything on it besides the 48:44.120 --> 48:48.880 bulletin board, but actually, Strom Carlson came up with the term, party in a box, and 48:48.880 --> 48:52.200 underneath, you know, we'll have big letters, party in a box, and right underneath party 48:52.200 --> 48:53.000 we'll have a line. 48:54.220 --> 48:54.540 Hmm. 48:55.400 --> 48:57.200 Yeah, that sounds really interesting. 48:57.300 --> 48:58.340 I want to see that myself. 48:59.480 --> 49:00.620 I'll give you the phone number for you. 49:00.620 --> 49:02.380 I was going to say, I want to help test that one. 49:02.420 --> 49:03.960 I want to be involved in the testing of that. 49:03.960 --> 49:06.200 I think it'd be pretty cool. 49:06.300 --> 49:08.920 You know, have anyone that they want to set up a party line, no matter where they are. 49:09.320 --> 49:10.820 Yeah, I think that'd be very good. 49:11.420 --> 49:15.100 The other thing that we always float around my head is have an asterisk distribution running 49:15.100 --> 49:15.880 from a thumb drive. 49:17.580 --> 49:18.460 Instant VoIP server. 49:18.560 --> 49:19.120 That'd be pretty yummy. 49:19.620 --> 49:19.940 Hmm. 49:19.940 --> 49:23.780 Anyway, I have all these big ideas, but not enough time to implement them. 49:24.080 --> 49:24.400 Exactly. 49:24.640 --> 49:26.380 See, that's the hard part, man. 49:26.480 --> 49:28.320 I just wish there were more hours in the day. 49:28.660 --> 49:29.660 Oh, I always feel for you. 49:30.060 --> 49:30.360 Yeah. 49:31.420 --> 49:31.960 Oh, well. 49:32.060 --> 49:32.340 All right. 49:32.400 --> 49:35.320 Well, let's move on to our main topic this week. 49:36.120 --> 49:40.640 And the main topic this week is something that I've been bitching about for a while now 49:40.640 --> 49:45.180 anyway, so I just figured I'd make it an official topic on the show finally. 49:45.180 --> 49:49.720 And actually, I'm not just going to go Google bashing. 49:50.180 --> 49:53.660 I'm not going to make this just an all Google bashing show, although it may come across that 49:53.660 --> 49:54.680 way or wind up that way. 49:55.220 --> 49:59.780 I actually want to talk about that Google Web Accelerator tool that they just released recently. 50:01.560 --> 50:05.420 Now, this thing, did you try this? 50:06.060 --> 50:06.760 No, I have not. 50:07.300 --> 50:10.780 Yeah, it's, if anybody that has not tried it yet, don't. 50:10.840 --> 50:11.680 Don't even bother. 50:12.440 --> 50:14.120 Don't even, seriously, don't. 50:14.120 --> 50:16.060 Well, okay, I'll take that back. 50:16.160 --> 50:16.400 All right. 50:17.020 --> 50:22.040 I was going to put it over on my third, well, my second Windows box, not counting my laptop. 50:22.320 --> 50:27.780 My other Windows box over there, I was going to put it on there just to see what it does 50:27.780 --> 50:30.780 and how it works and kind of reverse engineer and tinker with it and stuff. 50:31.780 --> 50:34.640 I would never have been putting it on any of my other boxes. 50:34.640 --> 50:40.260 And luckily, I did not because I don't know if anybody's familiar with some of the fallout, 50:40.400 --> 50:42.640 some of the stuff that's happened with this thing. 50:44.120 --> 50:48.760 It's, well, I guess we should start explaining what it's supposed to be and what it's supposed 50:48.760 --> 50:49.280 to do. 50:49.400 --> 50:53.260 First of all, it's a, it's called the Web Accelerator. 50:54.320 --> 51:01.900 And first of all, that, to me anyway, that springs to mind pictures of AOL high speed and 51:01.900 --> 51:05.340 net zero, whatever, whatever it all is. 51:05.340 --> 51:08.080 Personally, though, when I first heard about it, I always think those little, like, stupid 51:08.080 --> 51:11.640 pop up ads and say, oh my God, increase your connection by, like, 50 times. 51:11.720 --> 51:11.880 Yeah. 51:11.880 --> 51:13.760 Like, have DSL speeds over your modem. 51:14.000 --> 51:14.840 Yeah, right. 51:15.720 --> 51:17.140 That's the first thing that popped into my head. 51:17.140 --> 51:20.700 Yeah, so it's already got a poor initial visual for most people. 51:20.700 --> 51:26.020 Uh, but what it actually is supposed to do is it's supposed to accelerate your browsing 51:26.020 --> 51:27.220 on any connection. 51:28.340 --> 51:35.140 Now, I still say that, you know, if you're on any kind of broadband, any little bit of 51:35.140 --> 51:38.940 difference that some accelerator like this is going to do is going to be negligible. 51:39.720 --> 51:41.340 It really is, I think. 51:41.340 --> 51:45.020 Um, I mean, I agree with you on that one. 51:45.100 --> 51:49.180 Yeah, I mean, browse, I mean, it's not going to, you're not going to, like, pre-cache large 51:49.180 --> 51:50.380 files and whatnot. 51:51.400 --> 51:58.360 And browsing web pages, they're so small in file size that it really just seems, I don't 51:58.360 --> 52:02.960 get the point, I don't see the point of, I don't see how it's really going to accelerate 52:02.960 --> 52:04.240 anything, frankly. 52:04.960 --> 52:06.960 Except, again, for maybe for dial-up users. 52:06.960 --> 52:12.240 And the way that they are doing it, the way that it's supposed to work is, is quite simple. 52:12.360 --> 52:18.800 They believe that you install this thing on your, on your, on your Windows box. 52:19.160 --> 52:21.140 I, I am assuming it's Windows only. 52:21.260 --> 52:25.180 I didn't even, I'm sure, I, I, I'm sure it's only, it's got to be only Windows. 52:25.840 --> 52:26.540 Oh, I assume so. 52:26.700 --> 52:32.600 Yeah, so, what they're thinking is Google thinks that they are the greatest thing on the 52:32.600 --> 52:39.000 earth, and that their servers have to, have to absolutely be the fastest on the entire 52:39.000 --> 52:40.060 global interweb. 52:40.660 --> 52:45.860 So, their line of thought is that if they know where you're going to, and what you're 52:45.860 --> 52:51.320 looking for, and where you're surfing, they can grab those files as a proxy, and actually 52:51.320 --> 52:56.060 it may end up being a good proxy if nothing else for this damn thing, that they can pre-cache 52:56.060 --> 52:58.460 and grab those files for you ahead of time. 52:59.460 --> 53:05.140 And then when you try to browse to it locally, instead of going to your ultimate destination 53:05.140 --> 53:09.880 site, it's going to step in between and say, hey, I already grabbed it for you. 53:10.160 --> 53:12.580 So, it's trying to do like some preemptive surfing. 53:12.740 --> 53:17.940 It's making some assumptions and guesses on where you might be surfing next, and what sites 53:17.940 --> 53:19.300 you frequent, et cetera, et cetera. 53:20.080 --> 53:23.720 And their thought process being, like I said before, they think that their servers are the 53:23.720 --> 53:29.600 fastest ones out there, so A, by having it go to their server instead of a server B, it's 53:29.600 --> 53:31.900 going to be faster, but just by their sheer bandwidth. 53:32.320 --> 53:33.880 That's not necessarily the case. 53:33.940 --> 53:38.920 There are plenty of sites out there that are very much as fast, if not faster, than Google. 53:39.700 --> 53:42.020 So, right there is already fallacy number one. 53:43.860 --> 53:52.600 Fallacy number two is the way that this thing works is very, it's very dangerous. 53:52.600 --> 54:00.100 It's very dangerous because, again, I'd like to see the spidering engine behind this, but 54:00.100 --> 54:01.360 of course it's not open source. 54:02.060 --> 54:06.160 If Google's all so great and mighty, how come they don't release open source tools, Black 54:06.160 --> 54:06.440 Ratchet? 54:06.540 --> 54:07.040 Tell me that. 54:07.840 --> 54:08.160 They do. 54:08.560 --> 54:11.180 They have a very active development program, of which I'm a member. 54:11.720 --> 54:12.120 Development. 54:12.800 --> 54:13.780 You have to be a member? 54:13.920 --> 54:17.180 You can't just get it to open source without joining up and giving them your life story? 54:18.020 --> 54:18.420 No, no. 54:18.440 --> 54:19.300 You don't have to give a life story. 54:19.400 --> 54:20.560 You just have to give them an email address. 54:20.560 --> 54:23.120 And what does their development program give you? 54:23.160 --> 54:25.140 It does not give you code for the Weld Accelerator. 54:25.820 --> 54:28.720 It doesn't give you code for the Weld Accelerator, but it allows you to access their APIs. 54:29.280 --> 54:30.500 The APIs to do what? 54:30.600 --> 54:31.480 To do the search engine? 54:31.540 --> 54:32.520 I'm a member of that, too. 54:32.580 --> 54:33.080 Big whoop. 54:33.600 --> 54:34.480 That thing's awesome. 54:34.800 --> 54:35.640 Oh, please. 54:36.180 --> 54:38.900 It's another way for you to put Google on your page. 54:38.980 --> 54:40.280 Big whoopty freaking do. 54:40.840 --> 54:45.400 They don't provide any code for any of the other stuff. 54:45.400 --> 54:46.840 Well, they also, too. 54:46.920 --> 54:51.480 They also have all their crazy little contests every year, where it's the development program, 54:51.600 --> 54:54.060 which you can download some really good shit. 54:55.380 --> 54:56.460 Ah, name one. 54:57.440 --> 54:57.700 Hmm? 54:57.920 --> 54:58.460 Name one. 54:58.480 --> 55:00.240 They can all that development contest they have every year. 55:00.560 --> 55:03.100 Name one of the great, good shit that they let you download. 55:03.240 --> 55:03.920 Give me an example. 55:04.800 --> 55:07.640 I'm not exactly sure what they download, because it's always way beyond me. 55:07.640 --> 55:11.920 They've developed some sweet stuff with us, like, you know, a lot of their stuff from 55:11.920 --> 55:14.880 Google Labs started off as development programs. 55:15.880 --> 55:18.760 Yeah, well, this is in Google Labs, I think, technically, right? 55:18.800 --> 55:21.540 This is still a beta, this Google Accelerator. 55:21.660 --> 55:22.500 And look at the problems with it. 55:22.500 --> 55:26.500 Now, and actually, before I get into some of the problems that this has got, 55:27.280 --> 55:30.060 from a business standpoint, if you stand back and look at this, 55:30.440 --> 55:32.060 it's actually a very interesting concept. 55:32.180 --> 55:35.040 It's actually brilliant from a business standpoint. 55:35.040 --> 55:38.100 Three cashed web pages on Google? 55:38.380 --> 55:38.740 Brilliant! 55:39.200 --> 55:39.560 Brilliant! 55:40.120 --> 55:45.000 They have millions and billions of users out there on Google. 55:45.900 --> 55:46.400 They're it. 55:46.500 --> 55:48.040 Google is the bomb, right? 55:48.100 --> 55:50.960 Google is the central point of the interweb. 55:52.720 --> 55:58.840 If they've got millions of users out there who surf the web as much as a lot of us do, 55:59.740 --> 56:01.340 why not put them to work for you? 56:01.780 --> 56:03.780 I mean, you've got to think from a logical standpoint, 56:03.780 --> 56:09.380 that is a pretty good idea because spiders take time to go out there and surf the web. 56:09.560 --> 56:16.360 And the web is so big that it takes just phenomenal amounts of power, bandwidth, and time 56:16.360 --> 56:19.520 for the spiders to go out there and connect to all these pages 56:19.520 --> 56:24.540 and subsequently update them and grab copies of them for the local cache. 56:25.220 --> 56:26.300 But you know what? 56:26.300 --> 56:32.080 If you've got millions of users who are going to download this tool and they're already surfing anyway, 56:32.080 --> 56:38.140 why not let them go out there and let them update the caches of the sites that they visit? 56:38.880 --> 56:41.920 And oops, hey, we'll go ahead and put those in our cache as well. 56:42.020 --> 56:43.080 That's pretty smart, right? 56:43.180 --> 56:49.200 That's, from a business standpoint, you're actually creating the new spider army. 56:49.200 --> 56:52.900 Makes sense. 56:53.200 --> 56:53.500 Right? 56:54.100 --> 56:57.180 It's also along the lines of, you know, you're only caching what people want. 56:57.980 --> 56:58.600 Well, and true. 56:58.780 --> 56:59.540 Yeah, very true. 56:59.700 --> 57:03.360 And stuff that is more popular is going to be updated more often. 57:03.840 --> 57:04.160 Mm-hmm. 57:04.300 --> 57:09.600 So, you know, you're basically helping Google's spider engine out, becoming human spiders. 57:09.660 --> 57:10.240 You really are. 57:10.580 --> 57:11.560 And that's what this is doing. 57:11.560 --> 57:19.640 And it actually sounds a lot like, I think it was called the Grub Project, G-R-U-B dot org, I think it was. 57:20.760 --> 57:22.060 Somebody mentioned it in the forums. 57:22.200 --> 57:22.920 I forget what it is. 57:23.060 --> 57:26.620 Yeah, I think Bracket, I think it was, mentioned this in the forums recently. 57:26.740 --> 57:27.380 It's Grub. 57:27.980 --> 57:31.960 And it's some kind of, not the bootloader, by the way. 57:32.040 --> 57:33.840 Grub the bootloader is something totally different. 57:35.520 --> 57:39.720 It's like a distributed tool to try to cache the Internet. 57:39.840 --> 57:40.880 And it's the same thought process. 57:40.880 --> 57:48.000 It's everybody downloading this thing to their, either their servers, where you've got a fat pipe and can really take advantage of it, 57:48.020 --> 57:50.040 or I think even on your high-speed desktops. 57:50.420 --> 57:52.240 And it basically goes out and surfs. 57:52.300 --> 58:00.660 And their thought process being that if they get enough people using this, that they can cache the entire global interweb once every day. 58:01.800 --> 58:07.760 So, ideally, nothing should be more than 24 hours old, everything that's cached on a daily basis. 58:07.760 --> 58:11.380 So, yeah, theoretically, that sounds great. 58:11.480 --> 58:13.360 I'd like to see the statistics behind it. 58:13.480 --> 58:17.120 But that's pretty much the same thing that's going on with Google here. 58:17.180 --> 58:20.420 They're figuring that their spiders can't handle it. 58:20.420 --> 58:27.000 Although, I don't see why they, well, anyway, if their bandwidth and servers are so great, they should be able to. 58:27.080 --> 58:27.440 But anyway. 58:28.560 --> 58:31.440 So, anyway, logically, from a business standpoint, it sounds good, right? 58:31.440 --> 58:41.360 Well, the problems with this, and this is, of course, my humble opinion, my not-so-humble opinion, is that this is... 58:41.360 --> 58:42.320 Oh, I can't wait for this. 58:42.460 --> 58:45.400 Well, I just, I think they did, I think they dropped the ball writing it. 58:45.480 --> 58:47.660 I think it's poorly programmed, quite frankly. 58:47.660 --> 59:00.300 And I think some of the flaws that have been found with this, and some of the problems this has had, is stuff that even a, I mean, I know Google has got some brilliant people working there. 59:00.600 --> 59:01.480 Don't get me wrong. 59:02.020 --> 59:08.860 But there were some really bad oversights to this, and I can't help but think that the only reason this has happened is because it was poorly written. 59:09.300 --> 59:14.460 They didn't prevent a lot of bad things from happening, and I think they should have foreseen this. 59:14.460 --> 59:16.440 I don't think they planned this out very well. 59:16.540 --> 59:22.520 If this is what that developer's annual thing provides tools like this, I'll stay really far away from it. 59:22.560 --> 59:23.860 I'm not impressed in the least. 59:25.500 --> 59:32.840 Like, one of the problems that this has had is that it doesn't differentiate or realize when somebody's logged into a website. 59:33.820 --> 59:38.760 And what it's caching is actually what you see as a logged-in user. 59:38.760 --> 59:45.700 So it's authenticated, you've authenticated, and it's actually caching the page, the resulting page. 59:46.800 --> 59:51.340 Yet anybody else can go back and see that cached copy of the page. 59:52.460 --> 59:54.460 That's not forward thinking. 59:54.620 --> 59:57.040 That's not planning ahead to avoid something like that. 59:57.460 --> 59:58.360 You've got to have a way... 59:58.360 --> 01:00:05.480 At the same time, I mean, you can, I mean, if you're listening somewhere within that, you know, connection, you can see exactly what they're seeing. 01:00:06.820 --> 01:00:12.780 I mean, you know, I think there's actually kind of a good thing, because I think they should really get a lot of websites off their ass, 01:00:12.820 --> 01:00:15.740 and if they want something, you know, private, encrypt the damn thing. 01:00:15.740 --> 01:00:25.480 Now, you really think that every single site on the global interweb should have to encrypt its contents to protect it from Google? 01:00:26.140 --> 01:00:26.880 I would not. 01:00:26.980 --> 01:00:28.480 How dare Google... 01:00:28.480 --> 01:00:29.580 Anything you want to keep private. 01:00:29.700 --> 01:00:33.360 I think a lot of people don't realize what exactly is happening with their connection. 01:00:35.880 --> 01:00:39.340 Well, I'm not quite sure I'm following your logic there. 01:00:40.040 --> 01:00:47.420 Well, for example, you know, I mean, anything that Google sees, someone, you know, sniffing along the lines can also see it. 01:00:47.500 --> 01:00:49.080 Yes, but there's a huge... 01:00:49.080 --> 01:00:52.420 Google doesn't actually cache the HTTPS stuff. 01:00:52.560 --> 01:00:54.640 That's secure HTTP, for those of you who don't know. 01:00:54.940 --> 01:00:55.260 Right. 01:00:55.260 --> 01:01:01.620 For example, when I log into my bank account, it will not cache that page, if I have that installed. 01:01:02.000 --> 01:01:02.760 Right, right, right. 01:01:02.780 --> 01:01:05.560 Absolutely, and as a sign... 01:01:05.560 --> 01:01:06.520 Do I have a Firefox plugin? 01:01:07.620 --> 01:01:08.400 I don't know. 01:01:08.400 --> 01:01:09.420 Oh, okay. 01:01:09.440 --> 01:01:15.160 But as an aside, since you brought that up here, I want to highly encourage people that if you ever have an option, 01:01:16.060 --> 01:01:19.120 for example, on your Yahoo, don't log into the HTTP. 01:01:19.620 --> 01:01:21.620 Log into the HTTP secure. 01:01:22.360 --> 01:01:22.620 Amen. 01:01:22.620 --> 01:01:28.180 When you log into your Hotmail, when you log into your Gmail, always log into the secure one if it's an option. 01:01:28.680 --> 01:01:33.620 Yes, and also make sure that if you're logging into Hotmail, Hotmail sends your password and stuff. 01:01:33.620 --> 01:01:41.880 Secure HTTP, which is admirable, but after they authenticate you, they bounce you back down to normal HTTP, which is bad. 01:01:42.380 --> 01:01:43.060 It's bad. 01:01:43.060 --> 01:01:45.800 All right, well, back to this. 01:01:45.800 --> 01:02:03.200 The simple idea that people have to encrypt their pages is way too, not big brotherish, but way too... 01:02:03.200 --> 01:02:07.960 Somebody has way too much power if the Internet is threatened. 01:02:08.780 --> 01:02:12.180 To have privacy on the Internet, you have to encrypt things. 01:02:12.440 --> 01:02:14.580 I think that's taking it a little bit too far. 01:02:14.580 --> 01:02:24.440 Now, I'm not naive, and I totally support encryption if you want privacy, but I think there is a term called a reasonable expectation of privacy. 01:02:25.160 --> 01:02:30.820 And I think that if I've logged into a website, that is a reasonable expectation of privacy. 01:02:30.960 --> 01:02:32.660 I've authenticated against that server. 01:02:33.020 --> 01:02:35.680 I've made sure that it's not being rerouted somewhere else. 01:02:35.760 --> 01:02:37.280 I have it in my safe sites list. 01:02:37.360 --> 01:02:40.860 I've taken reasonable measures to protect my privacy. 01:02:40.860 --> 01:02:49.120 Now, your point of, yes, anybody could sniff that, and nobody realizes what's being sent where, and that it may be plain text this, and that's fine. 01:02:49.180 --> 01:02:53.340 That's somebody going out of their way to sniff your traffic. 01:02:54.220 --> 01:02:57.480 Google should not have a right to do that. 01:02:58.040 --> 01:03:01.420 It's going here and showing it, and it's just going out of its way to sniff your traffic. 01:03:02.020 --> 01:03:05.220 Well, it's sniffing everything that you do. 01:03:06.540 --> 01:03:08.360 It's sniffing your unencrypted traffic. 01:03:08.500 --> 01:03:09.500 That's essentially what it's doing. 01:03:09.640 --> 01:03:09.940 Right. 01:03:09.940 --> 01:03:11.400 Just like everyone else could do. 01:03:12.680 --> 01:03:14.000 Not everyone else could do that? 01:03:14.560 --> 01:03:14.980 Hell yeah. 01:03:15.960 --> 01:03:18.400 So my grandmother can sniff my traffic. 01:03:19.700 --> 01:03:20.480 Yeah, sure. 01:03:20.920 --> 01:03:21.660 Yeah, right. 01:03:22.500 --> 01:03:27.860 I think that's, uh, I think you're being a little overly, um, broad, a little overly naive on that one. 01:03:28.000 --> 01:03:31.300 Meanwhile, Stank's Grandmother is, like, listening to the show going, Stank, you noob! 01:03:31.420 --> 01:03:33.140 I can sniff any traffic! 01:03:33.140 --> 01:03:33.460 I can't tell you! 01:03:34.660 --> 01:03:35.940 I've been, man... 01:03:35.940 --> 01:03:38.420 My grandmother has a man-in-the-middle attack on me all the time. 01:03:38.420 --> 01:03:39.720 It's constantly sniffing... 01:03:39.720 --> 01:03:41.600 Okay, door PGP key is noob! 01:03:41.600 --> 01:03:50.440 So, yeah, I really don't, I really don't believe for a second that that is a good practice or a good thing to be doing. 01:03:50.440 --> 01:03:52.980 Um, and it then subsequently causes problems. 01:03:52.980 --> 01:03:53.460 And you know what? 01:03:53.460 --> 01:03:55.120 There's another factor here that I just thought of. 01:03:55.740 --> 01:03:57.080 I don't, we don't have secure. 01:03:57.680 --> 01:03:59.200 I don't have an SSL certificate. 01:03:59.320 --> 01:04:00.480 I don't have, I can't afford it. 01:04:00.500 --> 01:04:01.660 I'm not paying the money for it. 01:04:02.120 --> 01:04:03.760 There's free SSL certificates now. 01:04:03.900 --> 01:04:04.420 Well, I've been... 01:04:04.420 --> 01:04:06.560 And I actually do think you have an SSL certificate. 01:04:07.220 --> 01:04:08.720 I don't think so. 01:04:09.140 --> 01:04:16.400 If I do, I would be very happy because that's on my to-do list for WillHack for Food, the disposable email service. 01:04:17.060 --> 01:04:19.340 That's on my wish list for that. 01:04:19.440 --> 01:04:20.640 That's on the to-do list. 01:04:21.440 --> 01:04:24.380 So, that is something I'm looking into and I want to find out. 01:04:24.440 --> 01:04:27.540 And if there is such a thing, that's definitely a direction that we will go. 01:04:27.540 --> 01:04:29.740 But not everybody has that luxury. 01:04:30.480 --> 01:04:32.180 Not everybody has or wants that. 01:04:32.700 --> 01:04:37.420 I think, again, the reasonable expectation of privacy here is broken by Google. 01:04:37.540 --> 01:04:45.980 They do not disclose the information that tells a normal user, like our grandparents or parents or just non-techies, 01:04:46.880 --> 01:04:54.980 that by using this tool, not only is it accelerating your, allegedly accelerating your downloads, 01:04:54.980 --> 01:04:59.420 but it's also caching everything that you do and making it publicly available. 01:05:00.120 --> 01:05:06.960 Free SSL search at www.cacert.org. 01:05:07.320 --> 01:05:07.520 All right. 01:05:07.580 --> 01:05:10.200 Well, give me that after the show because we'll follow up on that one. 01:05:10.240 --> 01:05:10.940 I can use that. 01:05:11.780 --> 01:05:15.320 But, again, most people aren't going to do that. 01:05:15.400 --> 01:05:17.300 And nor should they have to, in my opinion. 01:05:18.200 --> 01:05:19.460 You feel otherwise, though? 01:05:19.460 --> 01:05:25.740 No, I mean, no, please don't get me wrong. 01:05:25.880 --> 01:05:27.700 I will not use Google Accelerator. 01:05:27.860 --> 01:05:31.540 I do think it's kind of odd and creepy and Big Brother-ish. 01:05:31.620 --> 01:05:37.420 But at the same time, I mean, you know, this is just doing stuff that, you know, can be accomplished otherwise. 01:05:37.420 --> 01:05:39.940 Yeah, well, certainly it can. 01:05:40.020 --> 01:05:49.520 But that's kind of like saying it's okay for people to come in your house and root through your servers without a search warrant 01:05:49.520 --> 01:05:51.960 because they could get a search warrant and do it. 01:05:52.000 --> 01:05:53.780 So why make them go through the process? 01:05:54.200 --> 01:05:55.800 Let's let them go ahead and come on in. 01:05:55.880 --> 01:05:56.740 I mean, they could do it otherwise. 01:05:56.740 --> 01:05:57.300 Yeah, but you're not doing it. 01:05:57.360 --> 01:05:57.800 You're clicking it. 01:05:57.840 --> 01:05:58.240 I agree. 01:05:59.000 --> 01:06:01.200 But they're not telling you that they're doing that. 01:06:01.340 --> 01:06:02.840 They're telling you that they're speeding you up. 01:06:02.860 --> 01:06:06.320 Oh, I am sure that they are telling you somewhere because this has major privacy implications. 01:06:06.320 --> 01:06:07.720 And I'm sure you're wonderful. 01:06:07.860 --> 01:06:10.820 And here's your license agreement that you do when you install Google Web Accelerator. 01:06:10.940 --> 01:06:15.600 There's a nice little search saying, oh, you know, we're going to code, check everything you have, 01:06:15.640 --> 01:06:19.400 except JTTBS, and we're going to cache it on the servers, just so you know. 01:06:19.640 --> 01:06:21.460 Yeah, and I'm sure everybody reads that. 01:06:21.540 --> 01:06:26.000 That's a whole other topic of conversation of whether EULAs are enforceable. 01:06:26.000 --> 01:06:29.460 And that's been analyzed and taken to court and all kinds of stuff going on. 01:06:29.600 --> 01:06:31.260 I can't wait to see the long term. 01:06:31.280 --> 01:06:32.000 Have they actually come up with a solution to that? 01:06:32.060 --> 01:06:33.320 I didn't know they actually took it to court. 01:06:33.440 --> 01:06:34.940 I don't think anyone's ever clear to that for it. 01:06:34.940 --> 01:06:37.120 Well, yeah, I think there are several cases. 01:06:37.640 --> 01:06:38.860 None of them have any solution. 01:06:39.000 --> 01:06:42.220 I think they're all hung out in limbo as they try to sort this kind of stuff out. 01:06:42.580 --> 01:06:42.840 Yeah. 01:06:43.100 --> 01:06:47.520 So they've got to establish something before they can then pursue the cases that are outstanding about it. 01:06:47.520 --> 01:06:55.520 So anyway, but again, it's the simple fact that now it has you logged in and people will be potentially logged in as you. 01:06:55.580 --> 01:07:00.220 If the security is really bad, you may actually stay authenticated on that server. 01:07:00.340 --> 01:07:01.680 Most of them will not do that. 01:07:01.760 --> 01:07:03.600 Most of them you'll just see a cached copy. 01:07:03.960 --> 01:07:07.540 It will not re-authenticate you or re-enter you into the thing, generally. 01:07:08.480 --> 01:07:09.400 But it's possible. 01:07:09.520 --> 01:07:10.800 It may very well happen. 01:07:10.800 --> 01:07:25.140 But the scarier thing is that if it caches a copy of something that was supposed to be read-only, like, for example, in the bin rev forums, the private messages, if you're using – and I'll tell you right now, I'm giving you a warning. 01:07:25.140 --> 01:07:27.260 I mean, we've already talked about this in the members-only. 01:07:27.380 --> 01:07:34.280 When this came out in our members-only forum, we put out a warning that says, you know, this is dangerous and could release a lot of information. 01:07:34.420 --> 01:07:35.220 Please don't use it. 01:07:35.700 --> 01:07:42.840 If you're using this tool on the bin rev forums and you view your own – one of your own private messages, it gets cached. 01:07:43.540 --> 01:07:44.480 It's on Google. 01:07:45.000 --> 01:07:47.220 Somebody could find it and read your private messages. 01:07:47.360 --> 01:07:49.020 How do you feel about that as a user? 01:07:49.100 --> 01:07:52.160 And we have users that are smart, that are tech people. 01:07:52.160 --> 01:07:58.220 And I bet you a lot of them did not realize that or did not think of that or worry or understand that that might happen. 01:07:58.820 --> 01:08:00.320 And we've got tech users. 01:08:00.580 --> 01:08:04.440 So it's not a situation of your grandma or somebody that doesn't know any better. 01:08:05.040 --> 01:08:09.840 We have people, and I don't think that they appreciate the possibility that that could happen. 01:08:10.080 --> 01:08:11.760 And I do think it could have been avoided. 01:08:11.900 --> 01:08:17.140 I think that Google could have coded to prevent maybe not all of it but a lot of it from happening. 01:08:17.720 --> 01:08:19.780 Well, to be quite honest with you, how are you going to choose that? 01:08:19.780 --> 01:08:20.820 I mean, let's see what I want to say. 01:08:21.780 --> 01:08:27.140 Like, you know, I mean, there's really no way of doing it unless you say, do you want to cache this page? 01:08:27.220 --> 01:08:27.400 Yes. 01:08:27.500 --> 01:08:28.340 Do you want to cache this page? 01:08:28.420 --> 01:08:28.600 No. 01:08:28.680 --> 01:08:29.560 Do you want to cache this page? 01:08:29.620 --> 01:08:29.820 No. 01:08:30.440 --> 01:08:33.220 I think there's absolutely some technical ways to do it. 01:08:34.040 --> 01:08:37.540 I would have to sit down and look at their code, which I can't do because it's not open source. 01:08:37.840 --> 01:08:40.560 But I absolutely think there's some things they can do to limit it. 01:08:40.560 --> 01:08:44.800 They could take a lot of the major content management systems. 01:08:44.900 --> 01:08:48.140 It would be a simple matter of looking at the larger ones. 01:08:48.240 --> 01:08:50.860 Let's say Mambo, which is one of the largest ones out there now. 01:08:51.340 --> 01:08:56.080 Let's say they take Mambo content management systems, see the way the passwords are in there. 01:08:56.500 --> 01:08:58.560 And let's, I'm sure it's not this simple. 01:08:58.560 --> 01:09:07.840 But let's simplify and say they just add a regex expression to parse out anything that they find that matches the Mambo authentication string. 01:09:08.400 --> 01:09:10.400 Anything that matches the word ass word. 01:09:11.160 --> 01:09:11.640 Yeah. 01:09:11.900 --> 01:09:15.960 I mean, honestly, as silly as that is, that really would cut back on some of it. 01:09:15.960 --> 01:09:20.880 So one of the interesting things that occurred to me right when we started talking about this is that, you know, 01:09:21.180 --> 01:09:27.940 because it's constantly feeding you data from other proxies that appear to be coming from said website, 01:09:28.180 --> 01:09:35.360 like, you know, you're going to binrev.com, but you're actually getting data from, you know, cache04.google.com. 01:09:35.880 --> 01:09:38.260 It could be very interesting for content injection. 01:09:38.940 --> 01:09:45.720 Well, it's also going to totally screw up your statistics, any of your web stats. 01:09:46.180 --> 01:09:46.640 Oh, true. 01:09:46.760 --> 01:09:47.520 I didn't even think of that. 01:09:47.560 --> 01:09:49.400 Are going to be just absolutely reamed. 01:09:49.500 --> 01:09:50.720 I mean, you're going to, it's going to be worthless. 01:09:50.840 --> 01:09:51.880 All your hits are going to be Google. 01:09:52.500 --> 01:09:53.400 All your bases. 01:09:53.620 --> 01:09:57.380 I mean, it would be perfect for, like, you know, a man in the middle attack. 01:09:57.560 --> 01:09:58.560 Like, if you want to see a little spooky. 01:09:58.960 --> 01:09:59.860 Yeah, absolutely. 01:10:01.320 --> 01:10:01.640 Absolutely. 01:10:01.860 --> 01:10:02.420 It's dangerous. 01:10:02.560 --> 01:10:03.000 It's scary. 01:10:03.080 --> 01:10:03.740 It's not good. 01:10:04.080 --> 01:10:06.240 And this is another, I didn't think of this one. 01:10:06.240 --> 01:10:07.120 I read about this one. 01:10:08.180 --> 01:10:10.520 The other thing it does is it tries to spider. 01:10:10.700 --> 01:10:13.260 It's not only caching the pages that you go to frequently. 01:10:14.120 --> 01:10:26.080 If you go to, let's say, binrev.com, for example, it tries to look at all of the links like a real spider, a real robot search engine, a real spider engine would do, and follow all the links on that page and pre-cache them. 01:10:26.080 --> 01:10:35.120 If you go to binrev.com, it's going to go to slash radio and slash hack TV and slash foreign grab as much as it can. 01:10:35.260 --> 01:10:41.440 And, again, I don't know how deep it goes without seeing their code, which, once again, I remind everyone, they don't let us see. 01:10:42.420 --> 01:10:44.300 Are they not open source? 01:10:45.420 --> 01:10:46.340 Honestly, I don't know. 01:10:46.420 --> 01:10:49.000 Maybe they are, and I don't know any better, and I'm talking out of my ass. 01:10:49.060 --> 01:10:51.320 I'm making an assumption, and I'll admit that. 01:10:51.320 --> 01:10:53.380 I have noticed from the past eight times you mentioned it. 01:10:53.560 --> 01:10:55.020 Yeah, I'll be honest. 01:10:55.120 --> 01:11:01.280 I do not know because I didn't download it, but I absolutely am confident that it's not. 01:11:01.920 --> 01:11:02.780 Sight unseen. 01:11:02.940 --> 01:11:05.240 I'm pretty confident that they're not going to release that source code. 01:11:06.240 --> 01:11:18.920 So, what's happening, because it's following all these links, something else that I saw reported is it's blindly spidering out. 01:11:18.920 --> 01:11:20.360 And, again, you don't know how far. 01:11:20.460 --> 01:11:22.700 Maybe it's just one level, two levels, who knows what. 01:11:22.960 --> 01:11:27.400 Does it spider on to another site that's linked from site A to site B and causing hits for that? 01:11:27.660 --> 01:11:31.200 I mean, it's a lot of damage to statistics programs that can happen in measuring bandwidth. 01:11:31.760 --> 01:11:33.400 What about click-throughs on banner ads? 01:11:33.460 --> 01:11:35.200 You've just screwed up single-handedly. 01:11:35.340 --> 01:11:40.420 Google just fucksword the entire click-based advertising system on the Internet. 01:11:40.700 --> 01:11:41.520 It's fucked. 01:11:42.640 --> 01:11:43.740 You say, look, it's a bad thing. 01:11:43.920 --> 01:11:45.040 Well, it's true, actually. 01:11:45.100 --> 01:11:45.360 You're right. 01:11:46.360 --> 01:11:47.380 Or one for Google. 01:11:47.560 --> 01:11:47.840 All right. 01:11:47.840 --> 01:11:48.840 Actually, you know what? 01:11:48.840 --> 01:11:50.580 I'm kind of liking this now that I think about it. 01:11:51.180 --> 01:11:54.460 But, no, because it spiders like that stupidly and doesn't know where it's going, 01:11:55.620 --> 01:12:02.740 some of the reports I saw was it was spidering through to the links, for example, that say delete my account. 01:12:03.640 --> 01:12:06.240 It's not smart enough to eliminate things like that, 01:12:06.300 --> 01:12:12.420 just like it's not smart enough to eliminate authentication pages and passwords and users being logged in and things like that. 01:12:12.540 --> 01:12:14.340 It's actually caching the page. 01:12:14.340 --> 01:12:23.320 It's not realizing that it's clicking on a delete my account button or a change my password or recover my password, send it to me, 01:12:23.400 --> 01:12:26.380 and really causing havoc on people with some sites. 01:12:26.380 --> 01:12:29.100 And what about creating new accounts? 01:12:29.100 --> 01:12:37.220 Is it going to hit willhackforfood, for example, willhackforfood.biz, and get caught in an infinite loop where it keeps clicking on create new account? 01:12:37.340 --> 01:12:38.280 That account does not exist. 01:12:38.280 --> 01:12:38.740 Create new account. 01:12:38.740 --> 01:12:39.960 I really don't think so. 01:12:40.100 --> 01:12:46.100 I don't think so in that case because I know how it's designed, but the potential exists for things like that to happen. 01:12:46.100 --> 01:12:49.960 Theoretically, yes. 01:12:50.100 --> 01:12:56.660 But I really hope that Google has at least one person with an IQ above 100 that would realize that it's an infinite loop and not do that. 01:12:57.060 --> 01:12:59.940 Well, I hope so, but you never know. 01:13:00.040 --> 01:13:00.480 You know what? 01:13:00.500 --> 01:13:01.160 Yes, it could happen. 01:13:01.220 --> 01:13:01.620 Very true. 01:13:01.820 --> 01:13:03.800 I bet you if we put our minds to it. 01:13:03.860 --> 01:13:08.020 Now, frankly, I don't care enough to do this, but if a listener wanted to do this, 01:13:08.020 --> 01:13:13.120 I really am confident that you could capture Google in an infinite loop. 01:13:13.180 --> 01:13:16.640 You could set up a trap for the Google Spider and catch them in your web. 01:13:16.720 --> 01:13:18.280 I think you could catch them in an infinite loop. 01:13:18.680 --> 01:13:23.020 I do think if you watched it and figured out how it worked, I think you could entrap it. 01:13:26.360 --> 01:13:27.660 Yep, that's what I'm saying. 01:13:30.180 --> 01:13:34.620 I will give somebody a dollar if they do that. 01:13:34.700 --> 01:13:35.380 I'll double it. 01:13:35.480 --> 01:13:35.920 I'm poor. 01:13:36.080 --> 01:13:36.660 I'll double it. 01:13:36.700 --> 01:13:37.660 I'll give you another dollar. 01:13:38.020 --> 01:13:38.520 I'll give you another dollar. 01:13:38.520 --> 01:13:38.540 There you go. 01:13:38.540 --> 01:13:39.600 Two dollars right on the table. 01:13:40.380 --> 01:13:43.260 Anyway, I want to split $5, $2.50 each. 01:13:43.400 --> 01:13:44.060 Oh, wait a minute. 01:13:44.080 --> 01:13:44.900 Now, that's pushing it. 01:13:45.240 --> 01:13:45.960 Oh, come on. 01:13:46.160 --> 01:13:48.780 How about a free copy of the magazine? 01:13:48.920 --> 01:13:49.260 How about that? 01:13:49.300 --> 01:13:50.240 That's $5 value. 01:13:50.900 --> 01:13:51.640 All right, that works. 01:13:51.700 --> 01:13:52.280 All right, that'll work. 01:13:52.720 --> 01:13:54.100 That means I don't have to put up any money. 01:13:54.240 --> 01:13:54.380 Okay. 01:13:54.520 --> 01:13:57.120 And that's a lot of work for a $5 magazine, quite frankly. 01:13:58.780 --> 01:14:01.440 All right, well, I mean, that's pretty much it. 01:14:01.480 --> 01:14:03.900 I'm not going to go into a rant on Google being evil. 01:14:03.900 --> 01:14:05.020 I've mentioned it in the forums. 01:14:05.020 --> 01:14:07.620 And I really, let me clarify. 01:14:07.800 --> 01:14:09.700 I don't think Google is evil yet. 01:14:10.200 --> 01:14:13.360 I just think that they're starting to move in that direction. 01:14:13.580 --> 01:14:15.020 And Google is big. 01:14:15.760 --> 01:14:19.380 Google is very, very big player on the internet right now. 01:14:19.380 --> 01:14:27.000 I had the same rant about Microsoft back on, like, episode, I don't know, 70 or something about Microsoft Passport. 01:14:27.820 --> 01:14:31.900 And it's not the individual things that are dangerous. 01:14:32.020 --> 01:14:33.600 It's not just Hotmail that's dangerous. 01:14:33.720 --> 01:14:34.880 It's not just TechNet. 01:14:35.120 --> 01:14:36.540 It's not just the support. 01:14:36.700 --> 01:14:39.900 It's not – it's all of the Passport things tied together. 01:14:40.020 --> 01:14:41.440 And this is the same thing with Google. 01:14:41.880 --> 01:14:44.100 I don't know if you've – you've probably noticed this. 01:14:44.100 --> 01:14:53.320 I don't know if some of the listeners have noticed this, but if you auto log into Gmail, notice that you've also auto logged into Google when you go there. 01:14:53.320 --> 01:15:01.260 In the upper right-hand corner, like that Google – that thing that says, lets you see your most recent searches, your search history tool that they added. 01:15:02.260 --> 01:15:04.360 And I talked about what a red herring that is. 01:15:04.720 --> 01:15:08.940 To be honest, I've never noticed that because I've hardly logged into my Gmail account. 01:15:09.260 --> 01:15:09.880 And that's what I'm saying. 01:15:09.920 --> 01:15:11.340 You don't have to log into the Gmail account. 01:15:11.440 --> 01:15:22.020 If you just go to Google.com and you have your Gmail set to auto log in or you are logged into it earlier in the session and it's still alive, you are logged into Google.com. 01:15:22.020 --> 01:15:25.020 They have backward incorporated that in there. 01:15:25.160 --> 01:15:31.440 So all of the sites that your searches that you do are showing up in your search history, which is another tool that they added recently. 01:15:32.040 --> 01:15:33.800 Which, again, that was a red herring. 01:15:33.900 --> 01:15:42.000 You make you think that you're able to go in there and delete and save and stop what they're collecting on you because they're offering it to you. 01:15:42.040 --> 01:15:44.020 No, they're collecting a lot more behind the scenes. 01:15:44.280 --> 01:15:46.860 They're just offering this up as a peace offering to fool people. 01:15:46.960 --> 01:15:48.080 And it's not fooling me. 01:15:48.080 --> 01:15:52.380 I know they're still logging everything with IP address and everything else they have on me. 01:15:52.780 --> 01:15:54.220 Oh, Stank, I forgot to tell you. 01:15:54.260 --> 01:15:55.800 You left your tinfoil hat at Doug's house. 01:15:56.020 --> 01:15:56.640 Yeah, right? 01:15:57.200 --> 01:15:58.780 No, I'm wearing it right now. 01:15:59.080 --> 01:15:59.560 Oh, okay. 01:15:59.560 --> 01:16:00.720 I have it on my head. 01:16:01.300 --> 01:16:03.560 No, this is, I don't care what you say. 01:16:03.880 --> 01:16:06.280 This is a valid conspiracy theory. 01:16:07.240 --> 01:16:09.040 Yes, I'll admit it's a conspiracy theory. 01:16:09.040 --> 01:16:19.480 And I'm not, like, going crazy with it or anything, but I absolutely believe that it is a dangerous situation, potentially very dangerous for privacy of everybody. 01:16:20.140 --> 01:16:21.920 They have already made steps. 01:16:23.180 --> 01:16:25.960 A, the potential is there because the same as Microsoft. 01:16:26.140 --> 01:16:30.580 You've got mail accounts with tons of people and their personal information and their personal emails. 01:16:30.580 --> 01:16:33.860 You've got the history of what they're searching for. 01:16:34.080 --> 01:16:36.180 You've got all of the things they've downloaded. 01:16:36.320 --> 01:16:38.980 You've got this web accelerator so you see what sites they frequent. 01:16:39.760 --> 01:16:42.560 All of these tools collecting a little bit of different information. 01:16:43.260 --> 01:16:50.120 Well, when I saw recently that I was logged into Google and I did not have, there is no Google login screen. 01:16:51.220 --> 01:16:54.840 You cannot log into Google exactly, but you can now. 01:16:54.840 --> 01:17:03.860 If you look up there, you can sign into Google, which will sign you into all of the Google services, and it combines all that together. 01:17:03.980 --> 01:17:13.400 So the moment it does that, it now knows that this Gmail account and your other Gmail account and the other one, because we know we all have four or five Gmail accounts, let's be honest. 01:17:13.920 --> 01:17:19.840 They know that they're all coming from you, and they also know that all the searches you've done, and they're combining it together. 01:17:19.940 --> 01:17:22.600 And they've got a profile on every single one of us now. 01:17:22.600 --> 01:17:23.520 They're building them. 01:17:24.840 --> 01:17:26.640 So take it for what it's worth. 01:17:26.780 --> 01:17:29.100 I mean, I'm just pointing out the facts. 01:17:29.280 --> 01:17:35.360 I mean, you can, I'm not going to say what the level of severity is, but I'm choosing to always stay logged out of Google. 01:17:35.580 --> 01:17:38.260 I'm choosing to be very careful with what I search for. 01:17:38.560 --> 01:17:40.760 I don't use Google exclusively. 01:17:41.200 --> 01:17:43.420 I use proxy servers whenever necessary. 01:17:43.820 --> 01:17:52.440 And that's really the moral of my whole conspiracy theory is to stop trusting Google so much because they are doing some things that are questionable right now. 01:17:52.440 --> 01:17:53.500 They are turning evil. 01:17:53.500 --> 01:17:56.080 So, is it the early stages? 01:17:56.220 --> 01:17:57.400 Yes, it probably is. 01:17:57.740 --> 01:17:58.800 Maybe they'll pull out of it. 01:17:58.860 --> 01:18:00.220 Maybe they'll save it at the last minute. 01:18:00.300 --> 01:18:08.840 But right now, I don't like what I'm saying, and I'm taking steps to protect myself, and I recommend that everybody listening do the same thing. 01:18:11.360 --> 01:18:12.280 You go do that. 01:18:12.280 --> 01:18:16.400 And, all right, I guess that's it. 01:18:16.820 --> 01:18:17.680 My jury is still out. 01:18:17.680 --> 01:18:21.200 I'll, yeah, my jury is still out, but I'm not positive. 01:18:21.440 --> 01:18:23.300 I'm not thinking very positive about it, quite frankly. 01:18:24.420 --> 01:18:24.820 I'm... 01:18:24.820 --> 01:18:25.560 Always be positive. 01:18:25.700 --> 01:18:26.460 Think happy about it. 01:18:26.480 --> 01:18:32.380 I usually do, but in this case, I've seen too many things that I don't like in this particular case, so I'm going to cover my ass. 01:18:33.520 --> 01:18:34.820 I'm just going to be careful. 01:18:34.920 --> 01:18:36.480 There's nothing wrong with being careful. 01:18:37.760 --> 01:18:38.480 Within reason. 01:18:38.560 --> 01:18:39.140 Within limits. 01:18:39.680 --> 01:18:40.260 True, true. 01:18:40.260 --> 01:18:45.400 I'm not going to unplug my computer and go move out to, like, Montana or something and live underground. 01:18:45.600 --> 01:18:46.300 I'm not all, you know... 01:18:46.300 --> 01:18:47.280 That's not going to be a Ted Kuznke? 01:18:47.660 --> 01:18:48.920 No, nothing like that. 01:18:49.000 --> 01:18:50.260 I'm just saying be careful. 01:18:50.860 --> 01:18:52.360 There's another reference people might not get. 01:18:52.760 --> 01:18:53.440 Oh, come on. 01:18:53.480 --> 01:18:54.100 Everybody knows. 01:18:54.260 --> 01:18:54.660 Yeah, okay. 01:18:54.740 --> 01:18:55.300 We're not going there. 01:18:56.340 --> 01:18:56.700 All right. 01:18:56.800 --> 01:19:00.180 And, again, also, just to clarify this, I'm not singling out Google. 01:19:00.540 --> 01:19:01.800 Microsoft is the same way. 01:19:02.080 --> 01:19:05.040 Yahoo also has a bunch of services, and they're all tied together. 01:19:05.140 --> 01:19:07.180 The only thing is, at least they've kind of... 01:19:07.180 --> 01:19:08.060 They've never denied it. 01:19:08.120 --> 01:19:09.660 They've never been misleading. 01:19:09.660 --> 01:19:12.400 They've never tried to fool people about, we're not evil. 01:19:12.580 --> 01:19:13.940 We're fluffy and lovable. 01:19:14.880 --> 01:19:16.080 They've never tried to fool people. 01:19:16.160 --> 01:19:16.980 They've always been up front. 01:19:17.080 --> 01:19:17.840 We know they're a business. 01:19:17.980 --> 01:19:18.740 You know where you stand. 01:19:18.840 --> 01:19:19.700 They know where you're tracking. 01:19:19.820 --> 01:19:20.720 You know the advertising. 01:19:20.940 --> 01:19:22.900 You know where you stand with them. 01:19:23.320 --> 01:19:24.380 You know that Microsoft is... 01:19:24.380 --> 01:19:26.140 I'm still waiting for my Google plush plushie. 01:19:26.440 --> 01:19:27.020 Yeah, right? 01:19:27.840 --> 01:19:29.900 Well, they probably have a convention, a furry convention. 01:19:30.040 --> 01:19:30.400 Never mind. 01:19:30.500 --> 01:19:31.060 Let's not go there. 01:19:31.140 --> 01:19:31.580 Oh, God. 01:19:31.640 --> 01:19:32.320 I don't even want to know. 01:19:34.100 --> 01:19:36.660 And speaking of Google, I'll close with this little note here, 01:19:36.660 --> 01:19:39.560 that Google actually increased their email storage to one gigabyte. 01:19:40.640 --> 01:19:42.080 I don't know if that's happened for everybody. 01:19:42.220 --> 01:19:43.480 We talked about how they seem to... 01:19:43.480 --> 01:19:43.520 Wait a minute. 01:19:43.520 --> 01:19:44.720 I don't think you said that right. 01:19:45.100 --> 01:19:46.820 Who increased their storage? 01:19:47.300 --> 01:19:50.100 Yahoo increased their email storage to one gigabyte. 01:19:50.120 --> 01:19:51.620 I think you said Google the first time. 01:19:51.700 --> 01:19:52.040 Oh, I did? 01:19:52.120 --> 01:19:52.420 I may be mistaken. 01:19:53.000 --> 01:19:54.340 Oh, I said they matched Google. 01:19:54.700 --> 01:19:55.100 I don't know. 01:19:55.220 --> 01:19:55.480 Maybe I... 01:19:55.480 --> 01:19:56.360 Oh, give me back a call. 01:19:56.380 --> 01:19:57.440 Yeah, maybe I misspoke. 01:19:57.660 --> 01:20:00.080 Yahoo increased their email storage to one gigabyte, 01:20:00.340 --> 01:20:01.600 now competing with Google. 01:20:02.240 --> 01:20:04.060 Of course, Google's at two plus and counting, 01:20:04.320 --> 01:20:07.040 and I think it becomes a point where you start to say, 01:20:07.100 --> 01:20:07.440 you know what? 01:20:07.440 --> 01:20:09.080 It's irrelevant how much space they give you. 01:20:09.720 --> 01:20:13.240 They're both giving you a shitload of space for your email. 01:20:13.360 --> 01:20:14.400 That's all you need to know. 01:20:15.360 --> 01:20:17.000 So it's no longer a selling point. 01:20:17.060 --> 01:20:17.900 It becomes a mute thing. 01:20:18.200 --> 01:20:23.800 If your only reason for using Gmail before was because they gave you a lot of space, 01:20:24.300 --> 01:20:24.740 guess what? 01:20:24.740 --> 01:20:26.360 They're all giving you a lot of space now. 01:20:26.440 --> 01:20:32.120 That is no longer a business advantage or a something that gives... 01:20:32.120 --> 01:20:34.140 Gmail's just so much fun to save in Yahoo Mail. 01:20:34.200 --> 01:20:34.960 Yeah, I don't like... 01:20:34.960 --> 01:20:35.860 I like having... 01:20:35.860 --> 01:20:37.560 I like the old folder metaphor. 01:20:37.760 --> 01:20:41.920 I don't like that labeling things and starring and searching for my email. 01:20:42.100 --> 01:20:45.900 I like having things in folders where I can jump to a folder and browse easily and quickly. 01:20:46.080 --> 01:20:47.740 I don't like that... 01:20:47.740 --> 01:20:49.520 Gmail's never worked for me, quite honestly. 01:20:49.520 --> 01:20:51.220 I've never really liked that style, but... 01:20:51.220 --> 01:20:52.180 I run my own mail server. 01:20:52.420 --> 01:20:53.200 That's what I do. 01:20:53.360 --> 01:20:54.500 Well, me too, but you know. 01:20:55.060 --> 01:20:57.240 For the public stuff, yeah. 01:20:57.440 --> 01:20:58.460 Got to use the Yahoo sometime. 01:20:59.520 --> 01:21:00.580 All right, well, that's it. 01:21:01.060 --> 01:21:02.160 Let's wrap up the... 01:21:02.160 --> 01:21:02.600 Unless... 01:21:02.600 --> 01:21:03.240 This is your last shot. 01:21:03.300 --> 01:21:05.520 You got anything else about Google you want to... 01:21:05.520 --> 01:21:05.760 Gmail? 01:21:05.760 --> 01:21:08.420 No, I think you did a good job. 01:21:08.620 --> 01:21:09.000 Thank you. 01:21:09.380 --> 01:21:10.840 I enjoyed playing double that kit, though. 01:21:10.880 --> 01:21:12.780 Even though you don't agree with a lot of it, which is... 01:21:12.780 --> 01:21:13.240 That's fine. 01:21:13.300 --> 01:21:14.180 A lot of people don't like... 01:21:14.180 --> 01:21:16.200 I don't agree with a lot of it, but you do bring up valid points. 01:21:16.280 --> 01:21:17.020 Well, thank you very much. 01:21:17.020 --> 01:21:17.360 I try. 01:21:18.820 --> 01:21:19.440 Side of the week. 01:21:19.480 --> 01:21:20.540 I'm going to give this to you. 01:21:20.640 --> 01:21:21.860 You had a side of the week this week. 01:21:22.720 --> 01:21:24.720 Okay, well, we tiny URL'd this. 01:21:24.860 --> 01:21:28.280 Because after a couple of times, I tried to spell it the stank, and his tiny little 01:21:28.280 --> 01:21:29.320 mind couldn't comprehend it. 01:21:29.820 --> 01:21:36.760 So fire up your tinyurl.com and go to 3, E as in Echo, 9, T as in Tango, and X as in 01:21:36.760 --> 01:21:37.120 X-Ray. 01:21:38.060 --> 01:21:39.060 And when you see... 01:21:39.060 --> 01:21:43.940 It's a really spiffy site about directional antennas and mini-USB Wi-Fi adapters, and it 01:21:43.940 --> 01:21:45.900 looks very cool, and I really want to research it. 01:21:45.960 --> 01:21:47.160 Someone posted this on the Forbes. 01:21:47.260 --> 01:21:47.560 Hold on. 01:21:47.600 --> 01:21:49.240 Let me go give credit to where credit is due. 01:21:49.480 --> 01:21:49.680 All right. 01:21:49.720 --> 01:21:51.620 And while you do that, I'm going to let everybody know. 01:21:51.720 --> 01:21:56.680 Once you go to that tinyurl, look at the name of the resulting site up there, and tell 01:21:56.680 --> 01:22:00.040 me how difficult that would have been to pronounce on the air, to spell out on the air. 01:22:01.040 --> 01:22:03.960 Thank goodness for a tiny URL. 01:22:04.560 --> 01:22:04.740 Yes. 01:22:04.740 --> 01:22:07.740 It was posted into the forum by a user named Planktonius. 01:22:08.460 --> 01:22:09.620 I believe that's how you pronounce it. 01:22:09.820 --> 01:22:10.240 All right. 01:22:10.400 --> 01:22:10.580 Yep. 01:22:11.300 --> 01:22:11.660 Planktonus? 01:22:12.040 --> 01:22:12.560 I don't know. 01:22:12.920 --> 01:22:13.160 Planktonitis? 01:22:13.420 --> 01:22:13.820 I don't know. 01:22:14.080 --> 01:22:14.400 Planktonitis. 01:22:14.840 --> 01:22:15.300 I don't know. 01:22:15.320 --> 01:22:15.840 That could be it. 01:22:17.140 --> 01:22:17.460 Planktonius. 01:22:17.580 --> 01:22:17.740 I like Planktonius. 01:22:17.740 --> 01:22:19.480 He's been around for a while, I think. 01:22:19.480 --> 01:22:19.700 I'm very roving. 01:22:19.940 --> 01:22:21.240 He's been around for a little while, I think. 01:22:21.660 --> 01:22:22.240 Yes, he has. 01:22:22.240 --> 01:22:23.920 So thank you for the side of the week. 01:22:24.060 --> 01:22:27.160 Plankton, O-N-N-N-N-N-A-M-N-N-L-A-M-N-N-N-M-I-S. 01:22:27.500 --> 01:22:28.260 E-I-I-O. 01:22:28.680 --> 01:22:30.000 And, um, Shouts. 01:22:30.020 --> 01:22:30.840 You want to start Shouts? 01:22:31.640 --> 01:22:34.540 Oh, I'll go send Shouts to Doug. 01:22:34.680 --> 01:22:36.040 I'll send Shouts at Strom Carlson. 01:22:36.180 --> 01:22:37.840 And we have people in the IRC channel. 01:22:37.960 --> 01:22:40.620 We have Niptacular, Bubster. 01:22:41.100 --> 01:22:41.540 Oh, man. 01:22:41.720 --> 01:22:42.420 And Sard. 01:22:43.540 --> 01:22:43.860 Oh, yes. 01:22:43.880 --> 01:22:46.840 And also, we've got a Sea of Bins or something. 01:22:47.680 --> 01:22:48.080 Okay. 01:22:48.820 --> 01:22:49.560 I don't know. 01:22:49.620 --> 01:22:50.000 Cinnabon. 01:22:50.480 --> 01:22:52.940 S-T-I-A-B-A-N. 01:22:53.060 --> 01:22:55.080 Maybe it's like C-I-A-B-A-N. 01:22:55.920 --> 01:22:56.260 Hmm. 01:22:57.040 --> 01:22:58.440 Well, Cinnabon sounds good to me. 01:22:59.060 --> 01:22:59.640 Now I'm hungry. 01:23:00.060 --> 01:23:00.540 Cinnabon. 01:23:01.300 --> 01:23:01.960 All right. 01:23:02.760 --> 01:23:05.160 Well, mine are much shorter and simpler. 01:23:05.160 --> 01:23:11.400 I give shouts out this week to Acidus, to ZeroDB, and to Lucky225. 01:23:11.840 --> 01:23:12.640 Shouts to them. 01:23:12.920 --> 01:23:13.420 What a noob. 01:23:14.060 --> 01:23:15.420 Yeah, LuckyNoobNoob5. 01:23:15.420 --> 01:23:18.900 Actually, Lucky's taking care of business these days. 01:23:19.000 --> 01:23:22.260 He's got some things occupying his time right now, so good luck to him. 01:23:22.820 --> 01:23:23.700 Yep, indeed, indeed. 01:23:23.700 --> 01:23:24.240 Shout out to him. 01:23:26.020 --> 01:23:30.600 And email us, radio at binrev.com or... 01:23:30.600 --> 01:23:33.240 At blackratchet at blackratchet.org. 01:23:33.440 --> 01:23:33.840 Org. 01:23:34.360 --> 01:23:35.140 Org, whatever. 01:23:35.520 --> 01:23:36.120 Orgy. 01:23:37.700 --> 01:23:39.500 Blackratchet at blackratchet.org. 01:23:39.600 --> 01:23:44.600 And tell him, send him lots and lots of mail telling him that it's pronounced Org 01:23:44.600 --> 01:23:48.180 and that it stands for organization, not orgy. 01:23:48.440 --> 01:23:49.220 Like, orge. 01:23:49.220 --> 01:23:54.380 As of 11 p.m. on Tuesday night, my email box better be freaking full for you people. 01:23:55.700 --> 01:23:57.200 Oh, I hope they crash your server. 01:23:57.280 --> 01:23:57.820 That would be funny. 01:23:58.200 --> 01:23:59.540 That would be pretty funny, wouldn't it? 01:24:00.080 --> 01:24:02.660 I'll also send out shouts to my cat Ziggy, because he just showed up. 01:24:02.660 --> 01:24:05.760 Um, yeah, he's not really going to be able to... 01:24:05.760 --> 01:24:10.000 Anyway, closing music this week is from someone called Richard Marchand. 01:24:10.660 --> 01:24:15.540 It's a track called Hipsomnia, and I'll give shouts to Cloaked Dagger, who emailed me this 01:24:15.540 --> 01:24:16.840 link for this person. 01:24:17.500 --> 01:24:20.540 So we're going to close out with the music recommended by Cloaked Dagger. 01:24:20.940 --> 01:24:23.400 And, Blackratchet, thank you for you doing the show. 01:24:23.480 --> 01:24:24.720 We made it through without... 01:24:24.720 --> 01:24:25.340 A pleasure, as always. 01:24:25.460 --> 01:24:27.240 The power did not drop out on us. 01:24:27.340 --> 01:24:27.660 The power's been... 01:24:27.660 --> 01:24:29.280 I'm surprised, to be honest with you. 01:24:29.280 --> 01:24:33.600 Watch it go out right now, right while we're in the middle of talking, and we won't have 01:24:33.600 --> 01:24:35.920 time to tell everyone that we'll see them next week. 01:24:36.320 --> 01:24:37.320 Same hack time. 01:24:39.020 --> 01:24:40.220 Oh, God, the power went out. 01:24:40.760 --> 01:24:41.520 Same hack channel. 01:24:41.520 --> 01:24:42.520 Ha, ha. 01:24:59.280 --> 01:25:05.700 Take go, take go, take go, take go, take go, take go, take go, take go, take go, take go. 01:25:08.400 --> 01:25:12.020 I don't want trigger both the fuck and say go. 01:25:12.020 --> 01:25:15.880 Take it go, take go, take go, take go, take go, take go. 01:25:15.980 --> 01:25:16.600 Take it go, s đấy. 01:25:16.880 --> 01:25:17.800 Oh, God, the power... 01:25:17.980 --> 01:25:19.700 Take it back, take it back, take it back. 01:25:20.820 --> 01:25:21.900 Take it back... 01:25:22.060 --> 01:25:22.160 Take it away... 01:25:22.340 --> 01:25:23.080 Take it back... 01:25:23.160 --> 01:25:23.400 Take it back... 01:25:24.060 --> 01:25:24.480 Take it back... 01:25:24.680 --> 01:25:25.060 Take it back... 01:25:25.440 --> 01:25:26.140 Take it back... 01:25:26.220 --> 01:25:26.360 Take it back... 01:25:26.600 --> 01:25:27.120 Take it back... 01:25:27.400 --> 01:25:27.860 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