This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers
I see in binary, I speak source code
Step on my toes, I'll post a million game pegs of you in a fag pose
In your digital stance, getting firewalled ho
Cause I'm riding the net in my sixfold
I was a dick with my 56
Now with my cable, I'm able to get that stable
On the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo
On the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm a hero
In a flash, I'll screw you on burning dreamcast
You need some ISO? Let me do my hard drive rifle
Our exchange you could never stifle
In a digital hug, you just caught the love bug
I bootlegged your CD, I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z
Your CG, it's all gonna be free
Whether we take it by force or we take it nicely
You feel that rattle in your bones?
When I tell you we just hacked out Jones
And NASDAQ, leave your fight on your back
Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack
This is dedicated to the hackers and the criminals
Serial codes, source codes, ISOs, RAMs, SIFs, SISs
This is dedicated to the hackers and the crack
Hello everybody and welcome to Binary Revolution Radio
Episode number 103
That is 103
So if you add up all your fingers and toes
And you got five friends, no I meant four friends
And then like one of those inbred Mississippi cousins with three toes
Anyway, episode 103
Today is July 5th, 2004
Actually, that's kind of a lie
It is July 4th, 2004 as we record this
Of course you're listening to this on July 5th
So happy 5th of July
Even though we're recording on the 4th
And of course when I say we
And making a little Mississippi joke at the onset of this
Am I allowed to do that by the way?
I think your docs are dropped, aren't they?
Oh yeah
Okay, so Droops
A.K.A. Droopy Dog
A.K.A. Bubba Hacks
A.K.A. Buddy
Is on the show this time
First time co-host for Droops
On this show anyway
That's right, this whole internet radio thing is awesome
Yeah, this is not the first time of course
Most people have heard Droops
If you also listen to Infonomicon radio
With our good friend Droops here
Yes, yes, yes
Infonomicon.org
Dot org
And you just
I'm going to plug it a hundred times during the show
So if I just turn it off now
That's perfectly fine
And you actually just came across a milestone yourself
I know, you know, we're
Next week's show will be a big two year anniversary for us
But you also just had a little anniversary, didn't you?
Yes, we just had our one year anniversary
We got 42 or 41 episodes done in a year
Which is not quite up to track as you
But it's pretty good
Well, yeah, but I don't have a life
So I guess that's how it works out
Oh, okay
Well, let's take care of a little bit of housekeeping up front here
And get a few things taken care of
This episode is brought to you by
No, I'm just kidding
I have to announce up front
I've already mentioned this on the forums
And have already updated the website
That I cannot take any more orders
That means for t-shirts
Well, first of all, we're about out of t-shirts anyway
So, t-shirts
Where's my t-shirt?
Yours is, it's in the mail
Yeah, thanks, buddy
Yeah, how about DEF CON?
Okay
Alright, we'll work that out
I have to take care of some personal issues
Take care of some, do some personal obligations I have to deal with
So, frankly, I just, I'm not going to have a whole lot of extra time
To work on a lot of different things
And I know it sounds, people probably don't realize
But it takes quite a bit of time
To package up all these orders and send them out
Not that there's sheer number of orders or anything like that
But, you know, I usually package them up about every, once every couple weeks
And they just add up over that time
So, have to sit there, fold shirts, stuff them in a freaking envelope
Find the magazines and stuff those in there
And handwrite out the addresses and everything
Because we do not keep a database of all these people
I like the fact that we give them some semblance of anonymity
Even though, quite honestly, we probably all know that PayPal tracks all that stuff
But I do not
I don't keep a database
So I do everything by hand
And I just don't have the time to do it right now
I'm taking a little bit of a break
To focus on, like I said, some personal things that have come up
So, that is one of the biggest casualties
So, hopefully that's only going to be like
It's kind of hard to tell
I don't know how long this situation is going to last with me
But I'm thinking probably three or four months
I should be back on my feet
And able to fire things up again
Which also should be
If we can help it
Coincide with
Release some other releases
And some new items that we can put out there
We might be able to do something sooner
If I work out some deals with some other people at DEFCON
So we'll, we've got some options
But for now, as far as
You should just count on the fact that we can't
Take any more orders for the next few months
So, if anything changes, of course
We will announce it on the show
And update the website
And yada, yada, yada
So, until then
All ordering is suspended
And yes, if you've got your order in already
I will fulfill it
I'm not out of anything
It's not anything like that
So I will get those out as soon as possible
And I guess that's all I have to say about that
Well, if you're wondering what Stank's personal business is
He's actually, was kind of pissed about female listeners
Not writing in or maybe lack of female listeners
And well, he's doing something about it
He's having a little operation
To make it more gender friendly
That's right
I've already started
I'm already taking hormone replacement therapy
I'm sitting here looking at my fabulous new breastuses right now
I'm excited about those
I'm not as excited as you are, buddy
Anyway
Yeah, actually
About our female listener challenge that we issued a couple weeks ago
Which, of course, for those of you who didn't listen to that episode of the show
We've had an occasional female listener who writes in
Which is fantastic and it's great
We love that
You know, chicks are hot
You know, that's always good when we have chicks listening to the show
And they probably hate being called chicks
But hey, whatever
It's a term of endearment
Anyway
We put out a challenge
Because I got an email from somebody saying
That there are more female listeners out there
Than we actually seem to think there are
So I issued a challenge a couple
Two weeks ago to be exact
I issued a challenge
That said for our female listeners
Or transgender listeners
Or whatever the case may be
To email us and just prove that they exist
That's simple
That's it
Email us
Say, I am a female listener
I enjoy the show
I listen to the show
I hate the show
Just let us know that they're female listeners
And
Two weeks from now
I realize people are downloading it
And don't listen to it right away
But I figured two weeks is a good cutoff point
And
I said
Less than ten
I think was my guess
Less than ten or less than twelve
Not theory
Less than twelve
Yeah
Not theory
I believe his guess
Was less than twenty
And
I guess we're both right
But I think I'm
More right
Because our grand total
Was
One email
From one female listener
Out of five thousand plus downloads
One female listener
Who bothered
To email us
So
Shouts to Amy
For standing up
And being counted
Big shouts to her
And for all the rest of you
Hey
There was
There was the chance
To stand up and be heard
And represent females in hacking
I noticed there's a
There's a
Talk at DEF CON
If I remember correctly
Drew
Did you notice that
About
I did not
There's a
Something about
Why
I
I shouldn't talk about it
Because I don't remember exactly
Something about females in hacking
Maybe why there weren't so many
Or what's
What's the
Obstacles to getting
I don't remember what the exact topic
But it had something to do with females in hacking
So let's see
I guarantee
That if you go there
That's going to be a sausage fest too
It's going to be one
Come on
Let's be honest
There's going to be one woman presenting
There will be maybe
Five percent of the audience or less
Will be female
And it'll be a bunch of dudes
No debate
My wife is coming with me
And she's really excited about going to the
The smelly people group meeting
Ah yeah
Yeah that's
I've heard that about
I've heard that about DEF CON
Let's see how that goes
They need to
They need to get sponsored by like
A deodorant
You know
They need to hand out free samples
Or something
They need to get
Well like Cleveland stunk
And Cleveland was kind of cool
DEF CON I imagine
Is going to be pretty warm outside
So
People are going to be ripe
Looking forward to it
Yeah buddy
Well we can carry around spray deodorant
Just spray people when they need it I guess
What's that stuff you spray on your clothes
To make them smell clean again
Um
I don't know
Febreze
That's it
Is that it
Oh come on now
We're advertising on the show
Bring open source Febreze
Make your own at your home
How the hell
Do you make your own Febreze
They actually paid me ten bucks to say that
I'm sorry
Oh okay
That's what I get I guess
That's what I get for having Bubba Hacks on the show
Now speaking of Bubba Hacks
While we're in the
Bubble Hacks
What the fuck is Bubble Hacks
You are kind of bubblicious
It's some kind of bad gum I think
I think so
It's gum for people with bad teeth
Yeah
Um
Bubba Hacks
From Infonomicon TV
It's actually
I don't know how you got my cousin
And got convinced him to do this
Because I saw Infonomicon TV episode 4
And it had my cousin on there
Well see he actually found me
He lives kind of nearby
He needed some help with the camera
So you know I helped him out a little bit
But uh
Ah
Yeah I um
I watched all through that
Then um
Saw a bunch of you Mississippi boys out there
Rolling around in the mud all sexy like
That's right
Well see I
You gave me some of those copies of uh
Your magazine
And I put them in the little local library
And two of them are still there I'm sure
One of them someone seems to have taken
Which is cool
I mean it's bad that they stole it
But at least someone enjoyed something
Right
Or else they just used it as toilet paper in the woods
I'm not real sure
One or the other
Either way
But I put my email address in it
For people to contact me
And uh
He contacted me
I mean I
It took forever that freaking bottle to get here
But it's there
Yeah and I saw that he sent me a b-mail
In that video too
And I haven't gotten that yet
I gotta keep my eyes out
It hasn't gotten down here yet
Of course it's a good
It's a good long ways down here to South Florida
Well I think that tropical storm out there
In the gulf kind of messed up something
You know what
It might have got caught up
In some kind of offshore current thing or something
It's not really a fail safe system but uh
Yeah there's there's no data redundancy or anything like that
Yeah packet loss is pretty bad
Yeah exactly
Okay well speaking of b-mail
Why don't we uh
Move on to the next segment of our show
Okay our first email this week
Comes from Dogtanian
There's a lot of dogs out there these days
Dogtanian who says
Hey stank dog and droops
Greetings from big bad London town
Yeah
I gotta go to London one time by the way
I really
That is one of my places I want to visit
Outside of the United States
I don't have a whole lot
I can probably count them on one hand
Places I want to visit
London's definitely one of them
Um
Let's see
I don't know if the fireworks outside
Are going off in the middle of the night
Or uh
Being picked up by the microphone
But uh
People are still celebrating the uh
Fourth
We're going to celebrate after we finish recording this
By the time we're done recording this
It'll be the fifth
Well it'll be okay
We're going to go out at city limits
And shoot off one firework that we have
I don't think there's anything wrong
With celebrating the fifth of July as well
You know it is the day after the fourth
It's a good day
Exactly
I mean okay
Everybody else celebrates the fourth
But there's nothing wrong
You know what
You can celebrate the 17th of July if you want
I mean
It's your reason for celebrating
We should celebrate the fifth
Because like the fourth
Is the day we got independence
And like the fifth is the day
We all just chilled
And we're like
Whew
Thank God that's over
Yeah right
Uh
We're all sitting around drunk
Hungover
You know
Cleaning up
All right
So where was I here
Dogtanian
Greetings from Big Bound London Town
I've been listening to your show
For the past five weeks
Ever since I stumbled across
The listing on the iPodder podcast database
I love the show
And have been alternately listening
To BinRev and Emmanuel Goldstein's
Off the Hook
On the way to work most mornings
Both shows whap the ass
Ooh that's a good phrase
Whap the ass
Off of all the bland
Out of the tin radio shows
Over in these parts
Anyhow I was recently told
About an application called
Tor
That's T-O-R
Uh
Which is at
Tor.eff.org
Which purports to provide
A level of anonymity
For web browsing
And other TCP
Through SOX data
Great I thought
This must be too good
To be true
Now I can make it
That
Now I can make it
That bit more difficult
For any of the big
Evil data warehouses
In quotation marks
Big evil data warehouses
To index how much
Unlicensed software
Music and recreational porn
As opposed to
Non-
Like industrial porn
Or what
Ultra porn
Yeah recreational
Okay
Software music and recreational porn
That I may or may not
Download on a daily basis
Okay
You're not fooling anybody
Having read most of the documentation
On the Tor project page
I came to the conclusion
That the methodology
That Tor uses
Would certainly add an element
Of privacy to net usage
Even though it's by no means
Quote
The golden egg
But then
I noticed somewhere
On the home page
That the Tor project
Had been sponsored
In part by DARPA
D-A-R-P-A dot mil
Of course the military
Which appears to be
Some sort of subsidiary
Of the U.S. Department of Defense
Absolutely correct
I immediately thought
It a bit strange
For the Department of Defense
To be involved in a project
Which masquerades
As a facility
For anonymous internet usage
Since I assume
That the DOD's ideology
Is diametrically opposed
To freedom of speech
And the other assorted
Civil liberties
That are being
Ground away
On a day by day basis
By my government
And yours
That's an interesting comment
His government and ours
Remembering that he is in England
Could this be some sort
Of honeypot trap
Set up by the DOD
That's been created
To try and catch
Osama Bin Laden
I think we should be told
Toodle pip
What the hell is that?
Toodle
That's goodbye?
Toodle pip
Pip pip
Toodle-o
Tally-ho
Tally-whacker
Well
Toodle pip
Back to you Dogtany
And thank you for the email
Toodle pip
That's another first
For Binny Rev Radio
What about recreational prawn?
All prawn
All prawn is recreational
Right?
I mean you're not like
Yeah
I guess
Maybe if you're for some reason
Downloading porn
And like writing
An analytical study
Or a paper
For some sort of
Analysis
Or medical
Something or other
Even then
I mean it's going to get
Recreational at some point
Unless you've got just like
Absolutely no
You must have just willpower
That couldn't be measured
By any scale
That we have
Anyway
Turning us into the porn show
All of a sudden
Um
Yeah we already did episode 69
We've got to move off of this
Okay
Um
It is definitely
A point of concern
No
No doubt about that
Just
First of all
I like the fact
That you even notice this
A lot of people
Don't even look
Or don't even care
They just see Tor
They might click on
The how it works
Button
Or
The explanation
Of how it works
Or whatever
Um
But they might not even notice
That
DARPA was involved
That the DOD was in fact
Involved with this
Somewhat
Um
So first of all
It's cool that you
Actually noticed it
Never blindly trust anything
Anyone
I've always said that
That doesn't mean
When I say that
That's not like a total
Conspiracy thing
That everybody's out
To get you
It's just
Always look
And always be careful first
And then
Hopefully
99% of the times
That you do that
You're still going to be safe
But you catch that
1% of the time
You might not have
So
Don't trust anything
Especially on the
Global interweb
Um
In this
This case
I think
Probably
It's not an issue
It's a non-issue
Or whatever you want to say
Um
The simple fact
First of all
The idea
And you mentioned this yourself
The idea of the way
That it works
By nature
Kind of makes it
Very difficult
Um
For this to be
Tapped
Or to be
Picked up on
Man in the middle
Things like that
Because of the way
That it's routing
So many different ways
Each time
And the encryption
Along the way
So first of all
By nature
It's questionable
However
It is still
Very very much
Possible
The second thing
That helps
Trust this
In my case
In my opinion
Is the fact
That it is
It does seem
To be open source
Now
I will admit
That of course
I have not read
All of the source code
For this
I actually
Have only used this
Once or twice
Just to try it out
Um
It's probably something
That I should be using
More of
And everybody
Should be using
More frankly
But I don't really
Have the need
Right now
I haven't really
Had any desire
To put that on
For one reason
Or the other
So
Um
I glanced
At the source code
It seems to be
All inclusive
And if that is
The case
Anybody who is
Concerned
Can go through
That source code
And see anything
That's going on
The only concern
That I might have
Would be to look
Through that source code
And see if there's
A function
See if there's
A routine in there
Of some kind
That acts as
Some sort of
Back door
And maybe feeds
Queries off
To a third party
Site such as
The department
Of defense
So
If anyone's
Concerned about that
You can of course
Look through the source
And the fact that
They make it open source
Means that they
Probably don't have
Anything to hide
However if you are
Seriously concerned
That's the great
Thing about open source
You can look through
It until you do
Feel safe
And you do trust it
Or if there's
Something that you
Do question
You can modify that
And run your
Own version
There are a lot
Of people that
See the source
Code
And it seems
To me
Human nature
Tells me that
If there was
A problem
If there was
Some sort
Of back door
That we probably
A would have
Heard about it
By now
And B
It would not
Be endorsed
By the EFF
I trust the EFF
One of the few
Places that I do
Have quite a bit
Of trust for
And even them
I won't blindly
Take their word
For it
But their endorsement
Means a lot
To me
So yeah
I think it's
My opinion
On the matter
Is that it is
Probably safe
Droops what do
You think
Well I was
Going to talk
About
He wrote
That it appears
To be some
Subsidiary of the
Department of
Defense
And the
Department of
Defense
DARPA
Used to be
Called ARPA
And periodically
They changed
That name
For some reason
But it stands
For Defense
Advanced
Research Projects
Agency
Right
I want to say
And they're
The ones that
Came up with
The ARPANET
Which is a way
Of
They can have
Redundancy
Of when they're
Shooting their
Nuclear missiles
During the
Cold War
And that
Became
Eventually
The
Milnet
And the
Internet
Came off of
That
Right
So they did
A lot of
Stuff like
This
Back in the
Day
When this
Was all
Theoretical
And now
They're
Coming up
With new
Stuff
Which I
Think is
Really cool
And I'm
Glad that
They're
Sharing it
With other
People
Right
And frankly
For all I
Know about
This
And granted
I don't
Know the
Level
The level
Of depth
That maybe
Someone else
Does
But this
Could be
Based off
Of old
ARPANET
Technology
From pre
Internet
Days
Because like
Droops
Just mentioned
You know
That kind
Of grew
Into what
We know
Today
This could be
Somebody just
Found or
Stumbled
Across or
That they
Just released
Or it
Could be
Something that
They've
Recently
Developed
I find
It
If there's
Something that
Was recently
Developed
I don't
Know that
I don't
See them
Actually releasing
It to the
Public
If it's
Something that's
Recent
So I
Don't know
I'd be
Interested
If somebody
Does know
Intimate
Intimately
Knows the
Tor system
And how it
Works
I would love
To hear
Some sort
Of authoritative
Response
Not somebody
Who uses it
And thinks
They know
But if you're
An authority
On Tor
Please
Email us
And let us
Know
Okay well
While I get
A sip of
Iced tea
Why don't
You go
Into the
Next email
There buddy
Well there's
Actually one
More point
I wanted to
Hit
He said
He listened
To Off
The Hook
And he
Listened
To Bin
Rev
Well there's
This other
Show
It's
In
The
In
The
In
The
In
The
In
The
In
The
In
The
In
The
In
The
In
The
In
The
In
The
In
The
In
The
In
The
In
The
In
Audio
File
I
Downloaded
From
The
Hope
Conference
Where
He
Did
A
Talk
About
The
AS
400
I
Was
Very
Intrigued
By
That
Discussion
I
Myself
Am
An
RPG
Programmer
On
The
AS
400
As
Well
As
A
Hacker
In
My
Own
Right
I
Think
It's
Great
That
You're
Getting
The
Word
Out
About
The
System
Because
A lot
Of
People
Have
Never
Heard
Of
It
I
Really
Like
Your
Show
And
I
Think
That
All
Your
Topics
Are
Very
Interesting
Keep
Up
The
Good
Work
And
Talk
Some
More
About
The
400
All
Right
So
Thank
You
Night
Lord
For
That
Email
Yeah
I
Appreciate
I've
Gotten
A couple
People
Who
Have
Emailed
Me
About
That
400
And
The
Surprising
Thing
Is
They're
Emailing
Me
So
Long
Afterwards
That
Was
Last
July
That's
A
Year
Ago
To
The
Month
That's
A
Full
Year
Ago
I
Even
I
Think
I
Got
Lazy
One
Week
And
Aired
That
As
An
Episode
Of
The
Show
If
I
Remember
Correctly
Too
So
It's
Interesting
First
Of
All
That
There
Are
Still
People
That
Find
That
Interesting
The
AS
400
Community
As
A
Whole
Were
Not
Very
Happy
That
I
Gave
That
Presentation
I
Got
Some
Responses
From
People
Who
Are
Not
Very
Enthused
About
It
But
Hey
You
Know
What
Are
You
Going
To
Do
I
Did
Write
A
Little
Cheat
Sheet
A
Job
I
Used
To
Work
At
Just
To
Basically
A
Lot
Of
The
Common
Commands
And
What
They
Do
And
Some
Of
The
Common
Parameters
You
Pass
To
Them
For
Some
Operators
And
An
Old
Job
That
I
Had
So
I
Might
See
If
I
Can
Dig
That
Out
Of
Moth
Balls
Find
It
Somewhere
And
Throw
It
Up
On
Dock
Droppers
But
I'm
Not
Sure
If
That's
Going
To
Be
In
The
Near
Future
Or
Not
Quite
Frankly
With
Everything
Else
That's
Going
On
As
Far
As
Talking
About
On
The
Show
See
The
Problem
With
That
Is
Droops
Do
You
Have
An
AS
400
I
Sure
Don't
Have
One
In
The
House
Right
Here
I
Don't
Either
I
Would
Like
Occasionally
If
I'm
Careful
While
I
Do
Have
Access
To
Them
Sometimes
Most
Of
The
Listeners
Are
Not
Going
To
Have
Access
To
It
So
You
Know
One
Of
The
Things
That
We
Do
On
The
Show
Is
We
Try
To
Do
Stuff
That
If
They
Either
The
Listeners
Can
Play
Along
With
While
They're
Listening
They
Can
Do
The
Searches
They
Try
Some
Of
The
Techniques
Or
Even
If
They
Don't
Play
Along
That
They
Can
Listen
And
Pick
Up
Tips
And
Things
They
Can
Do
On
Their
Own
Later
Well
Most
People
Aren't
Going
To
Have
An
As
400
Or
Access
To
One
Although
On
A
Previous
Episode
I
Have
To
Go
Back
To
The
Show
Notes
But
There
Is
Someone
Who
Offers
Free
As
400
Shells
So
That
Is
Something
That
People
I
Wish
People
Would
Take
More
Advantage
Topics
And
In
General
Terms
Explained
What
They
Were
How
They
Work
And
Stuff
I
Could
Subsequently
Do
A
Show
Now
Where
I
Pick
Any
Particular
Area
Of
The
As
400
And
Go
Into
More
Detail
But
I
I'm
Worried
That
That's
Going
To
Be
Very
Dry
Very
Tough
Material
To
Listen
To
I
Mean
Nobody
Wants
To
Hear
Me
Type
This
Command
In
And
Look
At
What
Happens
It's
Very
Visual
In
Nature
It's
One
Of
Those
Things
That's
Kind
Of
Tough
To
Describe
And
Not
Because
It's
Really
The
As
400
Itself
But
If
I
Was
Trying
To
Tell
Somebody
How
To
Compile
A
Linux
Kernel
On
The
Air
It'd
Be
Very
Dry
And
Hard
To
Listen
To
It's
Just
Kind
Of
A
Boring
Topic
For
Radio
It's
One
Of
Things
That's
Better
With
Video
And
The
Presentation
That
I
Gave
At
The
Hope
Conference
Actually
Has
Several
Embedded
Videos
In
It
A
Lot
Of
The
If
You
Heard
The
Audio
A
Lot
Of
The
Speaking
That
You
Heard
Was
Pre-recorded
Video
Clips
I
Was
Standing
There
Looking
At
Them
While
They
Were
Playing
Every
Couple
Slides
When
I
Demonstrated
A
Certain
Thing
On
The
400
In
Lie
Of
Having
One
Handy
I
Played
I
Had
Pre-recorded
Some
Clips
And
Played
Them
For
Everyone
To
Watch
So
I
Never
Did
Put
That
Up
For
Download
Because
Unfortunately
The
Video
Clips
Were
Huge
And
They
Were
Just
Taking
Up
Too
Much
Dispace
Too
Much
Bandwidth
So
Maybe
I'll
Work
Out
A
Way
To
I
Know
I
Know
2600
Sells
Copies
I
Think
For
Five
Bucks
They'll
Burn
You
A
Copy
Of
Any
Of
The
Speeches
So
If
You
Want
To
See
It
I
Don't
Know
The
Quality
I
Don't
Know
How
That
Turned
Out
Because
I
Never
Got
A
Copy
I
Never
Saw
I
Don't
Know
What
I
Look
Like
I
Never
Saw
It
So
I
Don't
Know
If
They
Filmed
It
Very
Well
If
They
Covered
The
Video
Section
Or
If
Thing
For
A
Few
Months
Down
The
Road
Unfortunately
So
Let's
See
How
About
Our
Next
Email
From
Voltage
X
Voltage
X
Says
Hi
Stank
Dog
And
Droops
Actually
He
Doesn't
He
Says
Hi
Stank
Dog
And
Co-host
And
In
The
Parentheses
He
Says
How
Do
People
Know
Which
Co-host
Will
Be
On
Well
You
Don't
So
What
We
Do
With
Our
Emails
Now
Is
We
Just
Pretty
Much
Replace
The
Email
With
Two
Co-hosts
Of
This
Particular
Show
And
There's
Not
Much
I
Can
Do
About
That
Because
Frankly
I
Don't
Know
Who's
Going
To
Be
Co-hosting
The
Show
I
Kind
Of
Wait
I
Get
An
Idea
Ahead
Of
Time
Sometimes
I'll
Have
Shows
Planned
Out
For
A
Couple
Weeks
In
Advance
Sometimes
I
Won't
Do
It
Until
The
Day
Or
Two
Before
Or
Sometimes
This
Guy
Will
Drop
On
Him
And
He
Has
To
Fall
Back
On
Droops
Nobody
Droops
You
Were
My
First
Choice
Today
Because
I
Wanted
To
Make
Sure
That
You
Got
I
Wanted
To
Make
Sure
That
I
Got
You
On
An
Episode
Of
The
Show
Before
Season
Two
Was
Out
I
Realized
That
We're
About
To
Complete
Two
Seasons
And
I
Can't
Believe
I
Haven't
Had
My
Buddy
Listening
To
Infonomicon
I
Listen
To
You
And
Cotton
Buddy
Oh
God
No
Don't
You
Worry
Don't
You
Worry
About
It
I
Listen
To
You
And
Cotton
I
Listen
To
Infonomicon
Radio
Don't
Worry
It's
Mutual
Man
I
Love
You
Too
I
Recording
I
archives. If you get a bandwidth spike one day, that will be me grabbing the whole archive
at school, 2 megabit connection. Woot! I'm listening to you in Australia. Hey, now.
What we really do, you know, that's the two biggest countries. I'm going to go ahead and
say we get support from a lot of different countries, but the two biggest, England and
Australia. Well, I should say the United Kingdom and Australia. What about America? Well, that
goes without saying. That's obvious. Non-United States countries. And when you say America,
don't go, be careful now. You get all people in the forums all pissed because there's North
America, South America, Central America, etc., etc. It's the United States of America. What
if I put America in the middle of a copyright symbol? I don't know. Okay, go ahead. Okay.
And also, maybe you'll back me up on this rant, either that or you'll disagree with me, but
it's great that we get new listeners via podcast and all, but we preceded podcast by like four
fucking years. It just, you know what? I love that people are joining us and everything,
and it is a great tool. Podcasting is awesome, but we've been around for a lot longer than
podcasting's been around.
That you have.
Am I on my own here or what?
No, no, no. I hate the term podcasting.
You're typing. Are you surfing for porn while we're doing this show?
I am, actually.
Recreational porn?
Recreational porn. Actually, it's for work.
No, yes, you're right. You have preceded podcasting by like four fucking years, but podcasting is
synonymous now for internet radio.
And yes, that is a very true statement.
Like, I have a site that we've put up for people to have a radio show, and it doesn't
have to be like a tech show or anything, just if you need some server space for a while until
you determine that it takes too much fucking effort to do a show, and you quit. And it's
podcastincubator.com, just because that's synonymous for internet radio.
Yeah, it is. It really is. Podcasting and internet radio are almost interchangeable these
days. People do not realize the difference. And in some cases, there is a difference.
In fact, I do a lot of geocaching, and some people put up a geocaching podcast from Australia,
and they didn't have like an RSS feed. They just had MP3 links to download from their website,
and they considered it a podcast, because that's internet radio.
Uh-huh. So they didn't even... That's good. Well, anyway, like I said, podcasting is great.
It's a great form of delivery. It's a great way to, you know, automate a lot of stuff, make
it easier for people to get access to your show and find your show. But it is not synonymous
with internet radio, unfortunately. But, hey, what are you going to do? You know, the term
it's happened, and I think it's one of those things that may be a lost term again. So, anyway,
let's see. Australia. Okay, I was thinking about how you said to mix up... This is back
to VoltageX's email. I was thinking about how you said to mix up your searches between
engines, and hacked out this little bit of code in PHP to do it for me. I removed this
code, because I can't really read it on the air, so I cut it out of the email here. But
I would love to see this in the forum. So, anyway, yeah, yeah, you could do it in JavaScript,
but where's the fun in that? You could even log searches. Of course, I'd never do this on
a public site, but I like statistics, so I'll probably do it for my own searches. My quick
test of this script shows that it is okay at randomizing searches, but not great. This
could simply be because of the number of engines, and could be fixed by adding duplicates
to dollar sign engines, which is a variable name. Also, I kind of need to write a front-end
search box for it, but I haven't yet, and that should be easy enough as well. Lastly,
is there anything I could do to help you out with FinRev's site or another project? I have
intermediate HTML, CSS, PHP, MySQL experience, and I'd love to give something back for your
show, and as I don't have a lot of money, I can give some of my time. Thanks again for
your show. All right, VoltageX, a couple things here to talk about. First of all, yeah, the
PHP code, again, reading that on the radio show is a little bit uncalled for, I think,
so I'm not going to post it because I'm not sure if you want it shared exactly. I mean,
you need to email it to the radio address, but go over to forums.binrev.com and post it.
We have a code section. If you haven't already, maybe it's out there and I haven't seen it
or missed it, but go to forums.binrev.com and there's a general code section. You can
post it in there, a nice handy little script, and maybe somebody can write a front end for
it. I mean, it's not too awful hard to do that. As far as helping out, now, I get a lot
of emails like this and it's very flattering and I really wish I had an answer to this question,
unfortunately, but the truth of the matter is that we've got most of the programming. We can
handle it. We've got most of the programming stuff done. I appreciate people who offer their
time and services and if I do come up with anything, by all means, I will let people know. I'll
mention it on the radio show and, you know, if people want to write in if they have time
to work on it, that's great. The biggest thing that we need more than anything is content,
maintenance and content for the sites that are already existing or upcoming sites. Our
hacktivism site, and that was going to be our site of real hacktivism, not this chaos
anarchy crap stuff, excuse me. No, it's crap as far as I'm concerned, but anyway, that site
has become stagnant for a while because, you know, we've got this site up and running. The
programming is, for the most part, done. All we need is content and, unfortunately,
it's timing issues and especially, again, I feel like I'm beating a dead horse telling
everybody I'm not going to be able to do projects like this in the future, but I need people
that are going to be willing to jump in and provide some content and some maintenance of
the site, admin some of the sites, things like that, make sure that it's organized and
that there's data put up every day. You know, you put a site up and nobody posts to it for
a month, you know, it's pretty much considered a dead site. People notice it hasn't been updated
in a month, they won't come back. Just the nature of it, you know, it's just the way
it is. They're not going to come back. So, the site itself is up and running, but I wish
I had more people providing content for that hacktivism site that is. Same thing with dock
droppers. If you know wiki markup language, if you know how to write in wiki, whatever they
call that wiki ticky language or whatever the crap that's called, it's basically like a
BB code type thing. If you know that, we can always use people to edit and update article
submissions. We've got a lot of stuff out there that I go through once in a while when
I have free time, but that seems to be never. So, yeah, most of the development projects
that we have and the actual coding projects are pretty much done or are in progress with
DDP members right now. So, it's really hard sometimes to sit here and come up with projects
for people. A lot of people will ask me this in IRC and I don't, like, have a list of projects
to sit here and hand out to people. A, it feels kind of weird, you know, and B, anytime we do
have an idea for a project, we just do it. So, I don't know, kind of awkward. Droops, you
got any projects? You want them to come by and, like, build a shed for you or help work
on a deck or what?
Yeah, I need to help working on my deck. If anybody's really good with, like, tools and
stuff. And I don't mind losing a couple fingers because I'm not really good with tools.
Make sure you film that for Infonomicon.
Yeah, I'm like, hold this, and it's some computer programmer and I just cut his fingers off and
he's screwed for life.
And then point at him and laugh and go, owned!
No, no, it's pruned. I'll send it to you for a video.
Okay. All right, well, that's all from me. You want to read the next one?
Oh, I guess we're down to that, aren't we?
Yes, we are.
All right, I don't really know how to say this, but I'm going to say destroy-g-biv.
Destroy-g-biv.
Because Roy-g-biv, right, you know...
I'm trying to be just slow-roam and say them real fast. People don't really pick up on it.
Roy-g-biv. You remember that, right?
You know what Roy-g-biv refers to.
No, I don't, actually.
That's like grade school.
That's how you remember the colors of the rainbow. Red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, violet.
Wow.
You didn't know that?
I'm writing that down.
I didn't have to learn the rainbow in straight school, buddy.
Straight school.
Anyway, they say, hello, Mr. Dog and Mr. Droops.
I stumbled upon your show for the first time this week thanks to iTunes 4.9 Update, which is where they allow you to do the podcasting.
And I have only listened to episode 101 so far, but I very much enjoyed it.
I particularly like the small tangent on social engineering in response to an email.
I just wanted to throw in there that a great way to practice taking or talking is with pizza delivery dispatchers.
They're usually extremely bored and eager to talk.
You can be the, I can't read on a fifth grade level, I'm more of a third grade.
Okay.
But it says, you can be who you want and say what you want and they will not hang up on you so long as you remain a gentleman.
Anyway, keep it up.
I have a hundred back episodes to listen to.
Yes, you certainly do have a lot of listening to do.
Well, either that or you might listen to one or two more and decide you hate us.
In which case, you know, fuck off.
No, let's see.
See, I'm a little bit disappointed in myself because I never did quite put together a good social engineering episode of the show.
And I wanted to, I'll try again next soon, but next season, I guess.
But I frankly don't see that happening anytime soon either because it's just, it's just such a, all, it's just such a broad topic.
I could, you know what, that's the kind of thing that I would like to put on Dual Parallel's old idea of Hacker Public Radio.
I mean, that's the kind of thing that we could sit there and talk about for hours and hours.
I don't, you know, one hour show, one and a half hour show, excuse me, which we usually only get, you know, 30 minutes or less with the main topic, 45 minutes, whatever.
Maybe less than that tonight, the way things are going.
You need a lot of time to cover a lot of the different things.
And any time I feel like I'm starting on it, it's like I keep adding more and I keep adding more and I realize I'll never get it in on one episode.
So, I keep putting it off.
Maybe eventually I'll try to make that happen, but, you know, in the meantime, you know, it is a good point in this email and that is social engineering with anybody.
And I know Lucky, you know, loves it when people social engineer the pizza delivery people.
I know Lucky loves that so much.
You can social engineer anyone.
And this is the kind of thing that I would go into more on a full episode, but I'll make a short version here.
It kind of bugs me that people equate social engineering with lying because they're so not the same thing.
Those words, those are not interchangeable.
You know, you call up somebody and tell them you're someone else.
I guess you could say that's part of social engineering.
I mean, I wouldn't even argue that.
I think it is.
But it's not the only aspect of it.
It's not simply claiming to be someone that you are not to get something done.
I've gotten a lot of great information just by being myself.
Just by calling up and manipulating my words properly, it requires a very, very strong grasp of the English language.
A very, very, you need to have a lot of, I guess I don't have a strong grasp of the English language on this show here.
You need to be able to think quick on your feet.
You need to be able to adapt and kind of improv a lot of stuff.
And you need to be able to roll with the punches and kind of adapt and keep people at ease and keep them away from what you don't want them to hear while at the same time driving them towards what you do want to hear.
So absolutely, pizza delivery people, anybody on the phone is always great, especially if you remember back in the early telephonic craptaculars, one of my favorite targets was the telemarketers.
If they're already calling me up, I might as well use them as targets to practice social engineering, see what kind of information I can get out of them, see what kind of stuff I can get them to do.
So anybody that you meet ever, social engineering, make it part of your day-to-day lifestyle, if you will, for lack of a better word.
Try to get information out of every single person that you ever meet in life just for the practice, just for the challenge of it.
Try to, you know, even just when you meet new people, just see if you can get information out of them, like maybe where they live or names of family members or just anything.
Keep giving yourself different goals like that without, you know, it's no fun.
You come out and ask, so you got any kids?
That kind of, that's not social engineering.
That's asking a question.
But, you know, if you can beat around a bush a little bit and make them admit that they've got kids or, you know, one of the ways to do that.
And, again, this is where I'm scared of going off onto this huge tangent, you know, mention that, oh, yes, well, I have to pick my son or daughter up at daycare.
That, you don't have to ask the person a question.
Usually they're like, oh, really?
So I have a son, too.
They usually will volunteer information.
And that's what social engineering is to me.
And I can give tons and tons of examples and demos like that of how to get that information out of people without asking them directly, without raising suspicions.
By properly wording questions and phrases, you can drive the conversation just about anywhere that you want.
This is very true.
Yeah.
All right.
Well, I'm running out of breath.
We're running out of time on the show.
Let's bolt through these last couple of emails real fast here.
Unless you wanted to add anything more to that.
I mean, everybody likes messing with the pizza delivery people, right?
Well, I actually messed with a local phone company the other day when AT&T was doing their biome or avoid hooking them up to the line or whatever tactics that the government regulated on them the first time real well.
They missed Bruce, Mississippi, which is this little town of like seven people.
And they have a local phone company.
And I'm actually going down there for a tour because I called them and I spoke redneck to them and told them I was a college student, which I am.
And I was taking a telecommunications class, which I was.
Right.
And I was interested in seeing all their equipment.
And they're letting me come down there.
Yep.
That's always a...
And that's going to be really cool.
I didn't tell them, hey, I have this internet radio show and I'm going to take pictures of your stuff and show everybody.
Yeah.
Less is more.
You don't have to give that information out.
Yeah.
Yep.
Absolutely great example.
All right.
Let's see.
Next email comes from...
I'm going to withhold the name, real name here, so I'm going to hold that back, who says,
At the time I started listening to your show, I had a P2 with eight gigs of space and no CD-RW.
It was hard for me to have all the episodes in one place because I had no space.
I recently got a new computer with lots of space and a CD-RW unit.
I wanted to ask you if it's okay if I download all of the episodes again.
No.
Next email comes from...
Okay, no, fine.
If you really want to knock yourself out, take guests.
By all means, download everything you want.
That's why we make them available.
We do get people, and people being polite, you know, asking permission before they hammer a server.
But you know what?
We can handle a lot.
You know, we upgraded servers, and if we need to upgrade again at some point, we will do that.
So absolutely knock yourself out, download whatever you want.
People do it every day.
There are people still downloading episode one, episode two, et cetera, et cetera.
There's people that are downloading the whole batch of them in one day.
So by all means, help yourself.
We will, back at the Fifth Hope Conference in July of 2004, we did put out, hand out free copies of season one on CD.
We burned all the MP3s to it, made a nice start-up screen where it came right up and gave the show notes and everything.
So we'll probably do something like that for season two.
I don't think we're going to have it for DeskCon, but we'll probably do something like that eventually.
And possibly even a DVD with all, maybe the high-quality versions.
I still have the high-quality versions, the uncompressed stuff.
I'll see if I can make a little bit higher bit-rate version of those, compress them, but still make them better quality.
And throw both seasons and some extra stuff on DVD.
But again, that's contingent on what I mentioned earlier with all the things going on.
So we will see.
But in the meantime, yes, knock yourself out, download what you want from the site.
If it's a problem, we'll take it off the site so that you can't download anymore.
That's all.
That's right.
That's how we do it.
Yeah.
Droops, why don't you read the last email there, buddy?
This email is from AproHiss, and they say,
Hey, Snake and Droops, I was wondering how much bandwidth you go through a month.
I'm sure it's a lot, and wanted to know what host you use that will supply you with that much.
Love your show.
Keep up the great work.
Now, before you answer this, I go through like 200 gigs a month,
but that's all like Iron Geeks videos that are hosted on my site.
Uh-huh.
So, yeah, videos really are what eats up a lot of the bandwidth, um, the MP3s of the radio show, of course.
Um, each episode of BinRev is downloaded around 5,000 to 6,000 times and climbing,
some as high as 7,000, I guess, within a month or so.
So, um, that adds up.
You know, each one around 15 megs or somewhere thereabouts, uh, 14, 15 megs for a full hour and a half show.
Uh, so, uh, we use about 300 to 400 gigs a month,
and, uh, really a lot of that's because we use mirrors for most of the video stuff now,
um, which we greatly appreciate, and when we do release the next episode, which is very, very close,
so close that I'm not even going to tease anybody with it.
Um.
Am I in that one?
Uh, no, you are not in this one.
You're in the next one.
Damn.
You're in the next one, though.
That's what you always say.
Well, no, no, no, no.
You're in episode three, and it's the funniest outtake ever.
Uh, let's see.
Maybe I should just release that as just a separate episode, because that's so funny.
Anyway.
Uh, let's see.
Oh, as far as the company, uh, the hosting company, they, you know what, we pay them.
Uh, we change every once in a while if we need to grow,
if we're not getting what we need from the current place,
but, um, since they're not giving us any kickbacks or any, uh, price breaks or anything like that,
fuck them.
Uh, I'm not giving them free advertising, so don't worry about that.
If you really want to know, you can, you know, you can find out pretty damn easily.
Um, so, as far as bandwidth, yeah, I already said, three to four hundred gigs a month in a normal month.
So, it fluctuates a little bit if we release Hack TV, or when we released Pwned, for example,
it's spiked up quite a bit.
Mmm.
I got the hiccups on the show now.
That sucks.
Drink some, uh, sweet tea.
Yeah, you know what?
I will take some sweet tea.
Wow, you type.
That's great radio.
Me drinking tea, and you typing.
I'm doing research for the show, you bastard.
You're looking at porn.
I actually just downloaded the 4.9 version of iTunes, and I'm, they have a whole podcast thing.
It says, now with podcasts.
And I was looking at my show, and then I'm about to look up your show and see what it says.
I was going to say, isn't that funny that iTunes, you know, with the iPod, is really what podcasting got its name from,
and iTunes is just now getting around to supporting podcasting?
Infenomicon is in it.
Artist unknown.
Category technology.
News you need, like it or not, and it's free.
Sweet.
Oh, yeah.
Binrev doesn't even make the cut, is that what's...
Yeah, this is cool.
So, Binrev is not there?
I don't have it looked you up.
I'm sorry.
Oh, okay.
Anyway, yeah, if we release Hack TV, it climbs up quite a bit.
But you know what?
Even 400 gig, we have, we have, that doesn't even come close.
That doesn't even touch us or hurt us, so download to your heart's condense.
That's fine.
If we need more, we'll buy more.
Bandwidth is a replaceable, renewable source.
So, not cheap, but, you know, we'll do what we've got to do to keep the, keep the information flowing.
Binrev matches no search results, and so does Binary Revolution.
Oh, man.
iTunes, we're getting gypped.
Wait a minute, this guy said he got us off iTunes, though.
Yeah, I'm looking for you.
What about just plain old Binary?
Okay.
Man, what's up, iTunes?
You trying to, kind of, be disrespected by Apple?
Actually, Binary brings up Binary Wrangler Podcast.
It's about technology.
What the hell is that?
I'm subscribing right now.
All right, you can give us a review on that in an upcoming episode or something.
All right, anyway, let's do a, let's do a quick show and tell, because we're fast running out of time here.
Good, because we have no content.
Well, I got a couple reviews, a couple CMS reviews.
Did some more research for binrevmeetings.com, and I got a couple content management systems that I wanted to talk about, because, well, they suck.
So, but we'll come back to that in a second.
And for show and tell this week, I really don't have a whole lot, because most of my show and tell has been private, real-life stuff that I cannot disclose on the show right now,
because certain people listen to this show, and I can't let this information get out quite yet.
So, however, I can mention that I have my Binary Revolution meeting coming up this Friday.
Okay, so kind of looking ahead, preparing for that, speaking of binrevmeetings.
How about you, Droops?
What do you got for show and tell there, buddy?
Well, buddy, I just went on a road trip to visit Fizone, or Fizzone, as he likes to say.
And we filmed a little bit for Infonomicon TV, the next episode.
I'm installing Fedora Core 3 right now, because I bought a book on Linux, and that's for some frickin' silly certification.
But it's all about Fedora, and I'm a Debian guy.
And Red Hat uses a lot of different things, so I'm screwing around with that.
And that's my new Athlon 64-bit processor I'm very excited about.
Nice.
Somebody sent me a video about lockpicking, and then they said that they didn't put any audio in it,
so that I would have to talk over it, because they didn't want people to know who it was,
because they didn't want people breaking in the, I don't know.
And I also was looking at PDA Freak the other day, which is linked to off your front page,
and it shows that your forums have a pocket PC version, which is really kind of cool.
And I said, well, I can do that.
So I've been working on some WML and PHP for the WML, so I don't have to update three sites at once.
But we now have a cell phone version with the WML.
We have a PDA version.
We have a regular version of the site.
And I'm trying to convert everything over to PHP, which is kind of a content management system.
Yeah, and you know, you're writing your own, which is great.
And, you know, when you do that, you have full control.
You know exactly where everything's at.
But it's more time-consuming, quite frankly.
But I'm learning a little bit.
Oh, absolutely.
It's definitely the best way to go if you can afford the time to do it.
But the reason that we have that over at BinRev now is because when we upgraded to the newest version of Envision Powerboard,
which is just the forums that have that, it came built in with it.
They already have a module that will out-export that.
I still think it would be tough reading, but it's kind of cool that it's there.
I actually did try it.
It's not so awful bad.
But there's just so much information in those forums that you could still spend hours and hours on the PDA finding and reading all the cool stuff out there.
But it is cool to have it.
But, yeah, as far as content management systems, I guess we'll segue into the main topic, which is a couple reviews here, a couple mini reviews.
Actually, these are full reviews, I guess, of a couple different content management systems that I've been trying out lately.
Again, the best case scenario is to write your own stuff from scratch, exactly like Droops is doing over there with Infonomicon.org.
Are we pimping it enough for you, by the way, during the show?
Infonomicon.org, you mean?
Yes, Infonomicon.org.
Are we giving it enough airtime, the airtime that it so richly deserves?
I-N-F-O-N-O-M-I-C-O-N.
Some people can't spell it.
I got you right.
Infonomicon.
Okay.
Writing your own stuff is always the best way to go, but we don't always have the time to do that.
So, what I do with a lot of our different projects is find different content management systems or other pieces of software that may exist and use them instead.
And there's absolutely nothing wrong with it.
For example, over on StankDog.com, the very early versions.
And you know what?
Somebody could probably go to Archive.org now and I'd be horribly embarrassed at how bad it looked.
I went over there and I wrote just raw HTML stuff to get it started and just putting up, you know, silly things.
Actually, Binrev started over on there before we gave it its own dedicated site and spun it off because, well, it was, yeah, anyway.
Reasons do not matter.
But it was all plain HTML and even Binrev, the actual Binrev.com pages and site, we do have a couple parts of it that are in PHP to make it easier for us, stuff relating to the radio show and whatnot.
But most of the rest of it is still HTML based using a template that I have here locally and still monitor and maintain.
But if you start doing that for the 10 plus sites that I have registered, if I had to write every one of those by hand and modify them all, it really becomes time consuming.
So content management systems can be your friend.
There's nothing wrong with using them as long as you keep them updated as best you can.
And as long as they serve your purpose, most importantly.
For example, I finally switched.
I tried a couple different on StagDog.com.
I tried GeekLog at one time.
It kind of got the job done, but it wasn't very secure.
And I had a couple little annoyances with the interface and the way it worked.
It wasn't very flexible, I didn't think.
So I ended up switching to Mambo, which is what I'm using now.
And I did a whole episode on Mambo.
And I'm still very happy with that.
So that one's going to be, I'm going to keep that one for a while, I think.
And it's so flexible and customizable that you can make it look any way that you want.
Yeah, you can look at most content management sites, especially anything that's PHP nuke, post nuke, any of the nukes, any of the nuke knockoffs.
You can tell they're all cookie cutter sites.
They all look very similar.
But you know what?
If they're flexible enough, you can start modifying them, twisting them around a little bit, skinning them, et cetera, et cetera.
So if you just use their content management systems that are usually, I prefer stuff that's PHP, PHP in MySQL or PHP in Postgres or something along those lines.
I know there's some that are written in Perl also.
I don't think I like those as much, not for a content management system anyway, but that's a choice, personal preference, I guess.
So go out there.
There's a great site called CMS Matrix, C-M-S-M-A-T-R-I-X.
I think it's .org, I want to say.
It might be .com, I don't remember.
That'll give you a comparison of all the different CMSs or at least quite a few of them.
And there are a lot of them out there.
And kind of show you some of the features that each one of them had.
And we'll even let you compare them or search by features to find out which ones might meet your needs.
And that's a very valuable tool.
And to get into a couple specific ones here, I went out there and found a couple of them that were supposed to meet the needs that I had.
So I was looking for some sort of content management system for the BinRev Meetings site.
And I was going to put it on meetings.binrev.com and then give everybody a subdomain for their NPA.
So, for example, our inaugural meeting is 561, which is down here in South Florida.
Well, one of the things I wanted to do and still will be doing is providing free hosting for anyone who starts a meeting up.
We'll give them a place to store their files and if they want to do radio, if they want to do video, if they want to post links, if they want to post presentations, things like that.
But I wanted to do it in such a way that I didn't have to install one for every site.
I wanted to be able to install one content management system and have it work for each individual site, yet at the same time providing flexibility and customizations for each one of those sites.
So one install, one database, few modifications, which might require a few more tables in said databases, but for the most part have a centralized system where it's easy to just add a new subdomain.
Well, there are a couple that claim to do that.
PHP Nuke, Post Nuke, the Nuke Knockoffs all claim to support that.
And I tried one of them that I'd never tried before, giving it a shot, because I'm staying away from Post Nuke, PHP Nuke.
All of them are horribly insecure.
Look on BugTrack all the time.
There's constant vulnerabilities released for these things.
And all the modules could have vulnerabilities in them.
It gets kind of scary.
So I just completely stay away from them myself.
Have you ever used any of the PHP Nuke?
Have you ever tried a content management system, Droops?
I have not.
I've used some.
I've looked at other people that already had it set up.
And it looks very, very handy and cool, but I have not tried to do that because I don't really care to yet.
Yeah, well, and again, your best case scenario is certainly to write your own.
Absolutely is.
But, like, you know, what do they use over on Hacker Media?
HackerMedia.net, a great site.
They use some kind of blog or something content management system, I think.
You know, and it works handy, and it fills the needs that they have for the site.
You know, for the most part, you can look at a site and tell if it's got a content management system of some kind on it.
They're pretty distinguishable if you haven't changed them from one of the default skins, you know.
Well, I tried WordPress.
There you go.
So as long as it serves a purpose, there's nothing wrong with that.
There's nothing wrong with doing it.
And then maybe modify it if you want to add to it after the fact.
It is all open source for the most part.
Most of them are open source.
You can modify the PHP.
You can write your own modules.
And some of the good ones have interfaces to easily write your own modules and add them very easily.
And PHP nuke, post nuke are one of those where there's a lot of support outside a lot of modules that are already written,
and you can write your own.
Well, I've tried a knockoff, a spinoff of the nukes.
We'll start referring to them, the nukes.
And I use something called MaxDev.
M-A-X-D-E-V.
MaxDev CMS.
And it is basically a knockoff of the nukes,
except it supposedly is more secure.
So I thought, okay, I'll give it a shot,
because it was supposed to have multiple site support.
Well, I'll come to that in a second.
The modules themselves for MaxDev specifically is compatible with any of the PHP or post nuke modules.
Anything that you see that someone has written for PHP or post nuke,
any of the nukes, should work just as easily in MaxDev.
It's designed that way.
It's supposedly a more secure module.
But, again, when you're getting code from individual modules,
it's kind of like what we referred to earlier about open source.
You've got to be able to trust that code.
So, you know, I never blindly install a module until I've thoroughly tested it,
looked through the code, maybe had someone else look through the code with me,
make sure there's no funny business going on before I throw something like that on the site.
Again, it's compatible with nuke modules, as I mentioned.
And it has something called auto-theme support,
which is some of the content management systems are doing this now.
Auto-theme is kind of like a, gosh, I don't know how to describe it.
It's kind of a waste, if you ask me.
With cascading style sheets, you have so much control over naming different sections of your site
and how that section is going to look.
Then you tie that into your HTML to use that information.
Well, auto-theme is a way to theme universally across different content management systems.
So, if an auto-theme works for PHP nuke, post-nuke, it's going to work for MaxDev, etc., etc.
Anything that supports the auto-theme, it's almost like, I guess if you want to think of it as a standardized skinning system.
Well, I mean, that is what it is.
It's a standardized skinning system.
So, as long as your content management system supports it, you can go out there, do a search for auto-themes,
and you will find them out there.
Surprisingly, most of them are for sale.
Most of them cost money.
There's a couple out there that you can find for free, but most of them, they want money for them.
And secondly, I had very mixed results with a lot of the ones that I tried.
I was less than impressed with auto-theme.
Now, I can't blame auto-theme or the developers of that, but it's probably a theme-by-theme basis.
It was still overly complex for skinning, if you ask me, but nobody asked me, so I'll move on.
The biggest reason that I chose this was, again, I mentioned before, for multiple sites.
I want to be able to put in multiple sub-domains or just sub-directories for each person that wants to start a group.
And, for example, that allows me to, if I want to post a reminder that everybody you're meeting is upcoming this Friday,
I can post it in one spot on the database, and it propagates out to all of the other sub-sites.
So, each individual site doesn't have to go in there and post a reminder all the time.
We can have it automated so that I put it up a week ahead of time or something like that,
and they don't have to worry about forgetting it or not having access or being on vacation or whatever the reason.
While, at the same time, have local tables for them to add information that only affects their local meeting,
like whether it's canceled or not, whether the directions have changed, what their plans are,
what they're going to bring, things like that.
Well, because MaxDev is a rip-off, a knock-off of the nukes,
it supports the same multiple site module that the nukes have.
It's horrible.
It is absolutely the most horrible thing I've ever tried to use.
There's no instructions. There's no information.
It doesn't make sense.
It's the only kind of support I could find in the different forums and stuff were just out and out wrong,
just completely plain wrong.
The module itself does not work as advertised.
It does not do what you think it's supposed to do anyway.
It will let you do sub-domains and kind of, sort of, make different sites,
but you lose all flexibility.
It's just a disaster.
And if you want to see what we ended up coming up with,
you can still go to meetings.binrav.com,
which is where we initially were going to put the site.
And it's still up there running.
It's horrible.
I don't like it.
I cleaned it up as best I could.
But we decided to go away from that.
So, that leads me into my second review of the night.
And this is another content management system called Drupal.
D-R-U-P-A-L.
Hey, maybe they should pay you royalties, Droops.
Yes, I've actually copyrighted that name also or trademarked it.
Drupal? Okay.
Like RuPaul?
Yeah, my hero.
Yeah.
Well, come on now.
That's everybody's hero.
Well, I'm not the one going through the operation there, buddy.
Yeah, well, you know, I'm saving up.
That's why I'm taking off a couple months.
I need to recover.
Drupal is the only other content management system I saw
that was supported the same type of multiple sites.
So, I decided to give Drupal a try.
And not only that, I said, you know what?
I'm going to move this off to a separate site.
We registered and created binravmeetings.com.
And I installed Drupal over on that.
So, if you want to compare and contrast,
you can see kind of the differences between the two content management systems.
And we basically cut and paste most of the material over to Drupal.
Or Drupal.
I don't know how you pronounce it.
Drupal or Drupal?
Drupal.
Because it sounds like RuPaul.
So, you've got to say Drupal, right?
It should be Drew Buddy, but I don't know why I didn't do that.
Yeah, Drew Buddy.
Well, Drupal is kind of cool because it's very, very object-oriented.
And what I mean by that is everything in there is kind of treated the same,
whether it's a news topic, a bulletin, a forum post.
It's all treated very similarly, except that it's kind of tagged differently.
It is like a field type, for lack of a better word.
And you can say that this is a post, a type of forum post.
And if so, what is the parent post of it?
And what is the actual content of the text of the post, etc., etc.?
And then the content management system knows that posts of this type go here.
Posts of that type go there.
So, it's very object-oriented.
It treats everything the same, which is kind of good at the beginning.
It's a very easy way to think of things.
It gives you a lot of control and flexibility.
It allowed me to go into the database on several things I had done
and change the type directly in the database, change the fields themselves,
which is probably something that you shouldn't be doing,
especially in any kind of production environment.
But since we were testing, I was doing some of that.
And it has a very, very clean interface because of that.
It knows where it stands with everything.
It's very well designed out of the box.
It's a great system to get up and running quickly and fast.
So, as far as that goes, and it's very, very, very logical.
So, it has all that going for it.
It is an interesting and good content management system,
if not the most feature-filled.
Specifically, the forums.
The forums are horrible.
Unfortunately, the forums are one of those things that they really should have gone the extra mile
to make a different forum, some different tables for the forums,
and a little bit more functionality.
Unfortunately, treating every object the same means that a forum post has very little flexibility on what you can do.
It's difficult to make threads.
It's not impossible.
It's tricky to read and see the threads.
They're not...
It's difficult even to read on the screen.
There's no quoting.
There's no emoticons.
There's no...
None of the features that you would find on a normal forum.
Well, that's not so bad.
Not all content management systems have the full features of a real forum.
But it should have a little bit more than this.
So, the forums, I thought, failed miserably.
And being that this site was for the meetings and it was going to give every individual meeting site their own forums,
that was kind of important.
Again, threading.
It did not support threads, things like that.
And it doesn't treat it any different than something that's a fact, something that's a news post.
So, one of the problems we found was that you can post something to the forums
and it would appear on the front page of the site.
And we'd turn that off by default, but it still can be done by simply checking a box.
And that could get really messy, whether by accident or by intentional malice, I guess, for lack of a better word.
So, I don't think we're going to stick with Drupal either.
So, Drup, do you want to write a content management system for us?
Yeah, if you want a really, really basic one, I got it right here for you.
What is yours written in and what does it do?
It's not really that complicated.
I've never used PHP, and I'm using PHP to do it.
And it's just some text files, like I'm having a quotes page or like a show notes page.
And you just type the text, add it in there.
You're ready to go.
And the PHP will pull it in the, what's not a frame, what's it called?
Table.
Into the correct table on the website.
So, I can just update the quotes once and it updates it for everything.
And with the PDA and the regular website, it just uses straight PHP.
And with the wireless phone, it uses WML.
And you have to just write it in PHP and tell it to recognize itself as WML and provide that information for the cell phone.
And I don't actually have a cell phone that can get on the, I think it's a GPRS service, maybe.
I don't know.
But I don't have a cell phone that does that.
I have an emulator.
On the computer.
Ooh.
Uh-huh.
Well, now you're pulling these from text files or you're actually pulling, are you pulling from like a MySQL database?
I haven't done that.
I was trying to get the PHP working and then I'm going to do that.
Gotcha, gotcha.
Well, then, you know, this is a great exercise to learn PHP.
Oh, yeah.
Absolutely.
And then I'll figure out some MySQL.
Right, absolutely.
Yeah, PHP and MySQL work very well together.
And that's one of the things I should go back on my reviews and mention is that, you know, you can get a lot of support.
Different forums for the individual sites.
Oh, yeah.
But just for PHP in general, there's a lot of help out there.
PHP's main official site has a lot of great information on it and MySQL site.
Again, for a small site, if you're just working on a small project for your personal site, PHP, MySQL combination is great, gets the job done.
If you're doing anything where you're going to do any kind of demanding logic or repetitive logic where you want stored procedures, where you want some more advanced functions,
you definitely want to power it with Postgres and not MySQL or maybe move from MySQL to Postgres later on down the road.
But, yeah, absolutely a good combination.
So that's it.
While you were talking, I was playing with the new iTunes.
Right.
There's the Binary Wrangler podcast, which has one.
It's under the tech thing.
There's a Revolution Digital podcast that is in Spanish.
And there's Hacker Media, who has a really, really cool name.
Like, people pick up on that name.
Right.
And you're included in their podcast feed.
I figure that's how he got it.
Uh-huh, yep.
So say thanks to Kizzle.
Yeah, that probably explains it.
I think Kizzle has a feed with all of the different shows.
I think any time you post a show on there, I believe that's what it does, yes.
So, very cool, very cool.
That explains that.
Now, we've got to figure out how to get the BinRev main feed on there.
You can actually add.
I think it's on the front page of it.
All right.
Well, make it so, number one.
Yes, sir.
Buddy.
Thanks, buddy.
Oh, man.
What do I owe you, like, 30 or 40 bucks now by the end of the show?
That's true.
Well, just give me the t-shirt.
Defcon will count it okay.
All right.
Hey, buddy.
I want to see that t-shirt laying on the bed next to you when you wake up in the morning,
sweetness.
I just want to see you wearing the t-shirt I gave you.
Oh, man.
You're going to make me dig that up?
I mean, dig it up.
It should be top of the pile.
I think it's lining the litter box.
I'm not positive about that.
Ooh.
You're such an ass.
I know.
But I love you.
I think I'm not talking to you anymore.
We are so going to make sweet, sweet love down by the fire at Defcon, or down by the
pool.
Actually, my wife's coming, so probably not.
Oh, man.
She can watch.
Okay.
She can videotape it.
Hey, maybe we can all wear yellow shirts down by the pool for QueerCon.
Ooh.
Hey, maybe we can play an episode of Pwned on your wife, where we make her wear a yellow
shirt and send her down to the pool.
Oh, she'd be so mad at you.
Yeah, she's always mad at me.
It's okay.
Yeah, I guess that goes with the territory, doesn't it?
Something like that.
All right.
Well, I guess that's going to do it for this episode of Binary Revolution Radio.
Again, content management systems.
I know people...
See, the thing is, when you see that on a site, they're usually very easily recognized
You can see right away, oh, yep, this uses a content management system.
Oh, yep, that uses a content...
You can usually tell it right off the bat, but the reason is because people use a lot
of the default scans or the common scans.
They don't make changes to it.
So that's one reason for that.
You go and change it up a little bit.
It makes it a little bit tougher to tell, and if you really, really get into it, you
know, like, for example, Droops is getting ready to find out that he's going to have to
write a lot of tables, a lot of MySQL stuff, and then modify his PHP code to read
and write to it.
He's going to have to consider in there secure coding so that you can't do SQL injection
and all these other things to it, and he's going to have to go through all that, which
is a good thing.
Again, don't get me wrong, but there are people that have already done it, and there's a lot
of content management systems out there.
So there's nothing wrong with harnessing that power, maybe just for the underlying engine,
and then modifying that as you need to meet your needs of your site.
So there's nothing wrong with using them, just understand what you're getting yourself
into, and keep them updated, because people own content management systems all the time.
Yeah.
All the time.
So, closing out this week, I think I mentioned it earlier, but I'll remind people again that
BinRev meetings are coming up this Friday.
Last week was 2,600 meetings.
I have a question, Stank.
Sure, go ahead.
Why do you keep referring this as BinRev?
This is InfoNomicon Radio Episode 43.
No, this is Binary Revolution Radio Episode 103.
Not if I can record it, which I have, and put it up a little faster than you.
Oh, that would be so evil.
Actually, we should do that as a joke.
We should do that as a joke.
We should release it on both of our sites as whatever.
I'll record an introduction for you, and you will use your introduction from this, and
we'll both put them up.
Sounds like a plan, buddy.
All right, buddy.
BinRev meeting is coming up this Friday.
I know we've got some pretty cool plans.
We're going to visit the Enigma machine at a local restaurant, fast food restaurant, a.k.a.
McDonald's.
I don't know how there's an Enigma machine at McDonald's.
Don't ask, but we're going to visit that.
And shouts this week, I guess I'll do my corny shout-outs and shout-out all of the men and
women of the armed forces.
You know, this is, we're recording this on the 4th of July, which, yes, that's technically
it's a celebration of our independence, our declaring independence and becoming a free
country, the United States of America.
But you know what, the way that that happens and the way we arrive at a place like that
is because we have to stand up and fight for our freedom, and I, for one, appreciate the
people that are out there doing that to give me my freedom and allowing me to do this crappy
radio show every week.
So my shouts go to them, and I think that's going to be it for me as far as shouts go.
Droops, what do you got?
Well, I have shouts to you for the honor of being on this wonderful professional show.
Oh, and I forgot shouts to Bubba Hacks, too.
And I didn't know what I was getting into.
Like, Stank talks to you for like an hour and a half before the show, so you do it exactly
the way he wants it.
And like, my guest, I'm like, hey, are you there?
And they say, yes.
And I say, let's go.
I was trying to take a drink, and you made me start choking on my iced tea when you said
that.
Yes, I am.
I am.
Shouts to Fizzone, because he's going to listen to this thing live, and he's going to say,
oh, that's awesome.
My name's on the show.
And shouts to the guy who sent me the lockpicking segment.
And I think that's about it.
Shouts to Obfuscated, because he's jealous now.
Yeah, how is Obfuscated, by the way?
Well, actually, we recorded a little video the other day.
We went and visited and hung out.
Bow, chicka, bow, bow.
Yeah.
Actually, we had him in the back of the car and drove around Baton Rouge, like with him in
the trunk.
It was a good time.
Oh, really?
All righty, then.
All right, well, shouts to Fizzone.
I'll back that up.
Fizzone, in the hizzy for shizzy.
Shouts to Fizzone if you're listening live.
If you're not listening live, Fizzone, I hereby revoke my shouts.
How about that?
Uh-huh.
Let's see if Fizzone is listening live.
I'm going to check in tomorrow and see.
Yeah, and shouts to Bubba Hacks, of course.
I think, let's see, side of the week, I think we've already beaten this dead horse into the
ground, our side of the week of infonomicon.org, but I'm not going to make that our side of
the week.
We've already used that like 20 times.
We'll pimp it in the show like we've already done, but I'm going to make my official side
of the week Doug TV.
Doug TV just came out with a new episode, which is his footage from DEF CON last year, which
is hilarious stuff.
So go check out Doug TV.
And for infonomicon episode 43, our side of the week is BinRev.com.
Shut up.
Oh, okay.
And, all right, so that's what we're going to have to do now.
We'll take turns.
So if you're listening to Binary Revolution Radio episode 103, you can email us, if you
have any feedback on the show, to radio at BinRev.com.
But...
If you're listening to Infonomicon episode 43, you can, of course, email me at droops at
infonomicon.org.
And supposedly, you could email me at droops at BinRev.com, but that never came true.
Stink lied.
That's not...
What?
We never got that going?
I don't know.
I send a test to it every once in a while.
It never works.
Oh, well, as soon as we're done hanging up or recording the show, I'll do it while you're
on the phone with me.
All right.
Thank you, Stinky.
And our closing music on Binary Revolution Radio tonight is Zorro featuring Baha Media,
and it's a track called Confess.
I said I was going to close with this last week, and then Zorro gave us a little freestyle
action, which was kind of cool.
So I'm going to close with that this week.
And let's see.
Anything else, droops?
That's about all I got, buddy.
All right.
Next week on Binary Revolution Radio, episode 104 is our two-year anniversary special.
52 weeks, and then 52 more weeks brings us to 104 episodes.
It will be our two-year special anniversary special.
Wait a minute.
What was it?
What did you call an ass-tastic or something like that?
Ass-tastic.
Can I get Cotton on the show?
Oh, yeah.
Because he was pretty good stuff.
You can stay home.
But Cotton, I'll let Cotton be on the show.
Maybe, you know what?
I'm going to scrap this whole episode and get Cotton on.
Let me get it for you.
All right.
So, yeah, make sure.
He'll give you a little Cotton penis.
I bet he will.
Two-year anniversary special.
Lots of surprise appearances.
Lots of voices, blasts from the past.
Some of the funniest outtakes.
You'll cry yourself laughing.
Maybe not, but I will.
So that's really all that matters.
And probably the biggest announcement we've ever had on the show.
So make sure you listen to episode 104 live.
Listen to the stream live next week so you don't hear it after the fact.
Hear it in the forums or hear it when you download it.
It'll be all ruined for you.
So make sure you tune in for that.
But until then, droops, I think we should tell them that we will see them next week.
Same hack time.
Same hack channel.
And we're Mickey Finn.
I confess to going mad, confess to thinking mad, confess about how to live my life, put the system between me and death.
No rest for the weary, confess to being teary, confess to study social theory.
Paranoid, don't like when people near me, always for the people, I try to do my best.
Born in the struggle and I never had no rest.
I used to boost the cars and now I want to shoot the stars.
I confess, I want it level.
I confess that I'm a rebel.
Dreams of revolution, I confess to having several, confess to having several.
I confess, I hate the rich.
I confess, I hate the snitch.
No rest when you see what they leave us with.
I confess to socialists.
I confess to raised fists.
I confess to atheists.
I confess to studyism.
I confess to a good rhythm.
I confess to feminism.
Optimists, kill the bitter end.
Kill the fascists, rise up, feel American.
I confess to why and when.
I confess to hating human vultures.
Confessing that I hate this pop culture.
I'm confessing that I hate this pop culture.
I confess, I access the import of your THO.
I confess, I confess, I always be my son.
If I confess, I confess, I confess, I� vultures.
I confess, but that I confess.
I'm up in this piece