WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:08.060 This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers 00:08.060 --> 00:12.940 I see in binary, I speak source code 00:12.940 --> 00:16.800 Step on my toes, I'll post a million game pegs of you in a fag pose 00:16.800 --> 00:19.440 In your digital stance, getting firewalled ho 00:19.440 --> 00:22.000 Cause I'm riding the net in my sixfold 00:22.000 --> 00:23.760 I was a dick with my 56 00:23.760 --> 00:26.760 Now with my cable, I'm able to get that stable 00:26.760 --> 00:29.060 On the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo 00:29.060 --> 00:32.780 On the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm a hero 00:32.780 --> 00:35.480 In a flash, I'll screw you on burning dreamcast 00:35.480 --> 00:38.700 You need some ISO? Let me do my hard drive rifle 00:38.700 --> 00:40.720 Our exchange you could never stifle 00:40.720 --> 00:43.860 In a digital hug, you just caught the love bug 00:43.860 --> 00:47.880 I bootlegged your CD, I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z 00:47.880 --> 00:50.100 Your CG, it's all gonna be free 00:50.100 --> 00:52.500 Whether we take it by force or we take it nicely 00:52.500 --> 00:54.440 You feel that rattle in your bones? 00:54.440 --> 00:56.600 When I tell you we just hacked out Jones 00:56.600 --> 00:58.760 And NASDAQ, leave your fight on your back 00:58.760 --> 01:01.040 Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack 01:01.040 --> 01:03.800 Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack 01:03.800 --> 01:06.860 This is dedicated to the hackers and the criminals 01:06.860 --> 01:12.200 Serial codes, source codes, ISOs, RAMs, SIFs, SISs 01:12.200 --> 01:14.480 This is dedicated to the hackers and the crack 01:14.480 --> 01:18.360 Hello everybody and welcome to Binary Revolution Radio 01:18.360 --> 01:21.460 Episode number 103 01:21.460 --> 01:23.860 That is 103 01:23.860 --> 01:27.060 So if you add up all your fingers and toes 01:27.060 --> 01:30.820 And you got five friends, no I meant four friends 01:30.820 --> 01:35.860 And then like one of those inbred Mississippi cousins with three toes 01:35.860 --> 01:38.260 Anyway, episode 103 01:38.260 --> 01:41.760 Today is July 5th, 2004 01:41.760 --> 01:43.300 Actually, that's kind of a lie 01:43.300 --> 01:46.740 It is July 4th, 2004 as we record this 01:46.740 --> 01:49.760 Of course you're listening to this on July 5th 01:49.760 --> 01:51.280 So happy 5th of July 01:51.280 --> 01:53.660 Even though we're recording on the 4th 01:53.660 --> 01:55.040 And of course when I say we 01:55.040 --> 01:59.280 And making a little Mississippi joke at the onset of this 01:59.280 --> 02:00.400 Am I allowed to do that by the way? 02:00.400 --> 02:01.880 I think your docs are dropped, aren't they? 02:02.380 --> 02:02.860 Oh yeah 02:02.860 --> 02:04.380 Okay, so Droops 02:04.380 --> 02:06.180 A.K.A. Droopy Dog 02:06.180 --> 02:07.580 A.K.A. Bubba Hacks 02:07.580 --> 02:09.220 A.K.A. Buddy 02:09.220 --> 02:11.820 Is on the show this time 02:11.820 --> 02:13.820 First time co-host for Droops 02:13.820 --> 02:14.980 On this show anyway 02:14.980 --> 02:18.560 That's right, this whole internet radio thing is awesome 02:18.560 --> 02:21.500 Yeah, this is not the first time of course 02:21.500 --> 02:22.760 Most people have heard Droops 02:22.760 --> 02:27.180 If you also listen to Infonomicon radio 02:27.180 --> 02:28.760 With our good friend Droops here 02:28.760 --> 02:30.960 Yes, yes, yes 02:30.960 --> 02:32.860 Infonomicon.org 02:32.860 --> 02:33.980 Dot org 02:33.980 --> 02:34.740 And you just 02:34.740 --> 02:36.440 I'm going to plug it a hundred times during the show 02:36.440 --> 02:37.960 So if I just turn it off now 02:37.960 --> 02:40.180 That's perfectly fine 02:40.180 --> 02:41.300 That's perfectly fine 02:41.300 --> 02:44.600 And you actually just came across a milestone yourself 02:44.600 --> 02:45.640 I know, you know, we're 02:45.640 --> 02:49.160 Next week's show will be a big two year anniversary for us 02:49.160 --> 02:51.220 But you also just had a little anniversary, didn't you? 02:51.220 --> 02:53.540 Yes, we just had our one year anniversary 02:53.540 --> 02:56.640 We got 42 or 41 episodes done in a year 02:56.640 --> 02:59.340 Which is not quite up to track as you 02:59.340 --> 03:01.760 But it's pretty good 03:01.760 --> 03:03.740 Well, yeah, but I don't have a life 03:03.740 --> 03:05.400 So I guess that's how it works out 03:05.400 --> 03:07.940 Oh, okay 03:07.940 --> 03:10.760 Well, let's take care of a little bit of housekeeping up front here 03:10.760 --> 03:13.220 And get a few things taken care of 03:13.220 --> 03:16.080 This episode is brought to you by 03:16.080 --> 03:16.840 No, I'm just kidding 03:16.840 --> 03:19.520 I have to announce up front 03:19.520 --> 03:21.020 I've already mentioned this on the forums 03:21.020 --> 03:22.540 And have already updated the website 03:22.540 --> 03:26.180 That I cannot take any more orders 03:26.180 --> 03:27.400 That means for t-shirts 03:27.400 --> 03:29.820 Well, first of all, we're about out of t-shirts anyway 03:29.820 --> 03:31.460 So, t-shirts 03:31.460 --> 03:32.200 Where's my t-shirt? 03:32.840 --> 03:34.560 Yours is, it's in the mail 03:34.560 --> 03:36.040 Yeah, thanks, buddy 03:36.040 --> 03:37.640 Yeah, how about DEF CON? 03:38.480 --> 03:38.920 Okay 03:38.920 --> 03:40.720 Alright, we'll work that out 03:40.720 --> 03:46.340 I have to take care of some personal issues 03:46.340 --> 03:49.780 Take care of some, do some personal obligations I have to deal with 03:49.780 --> 03:54.340 So, frankly, I just, I'm not going to have a whole lot of extra time 03:54.340 --> 03:55.900 To work on a lot of different things 03:55.900 --> 03:59.580 And I know it sounds, people probably don't realize 03:59.580 --> 04:01.100 But it takes quite a bit of time 04:01.100 --> 04:03.320 To package up all these orders and send them out 04:03.320 --> 04:06.360 Not that there's sheer number of orders or anything like that 04:06.360 --> 04:10.740 But, you know, I usually package them up about every, once every couple weeks 04:10.740 --> 04:14.940 And they just add up over that time 04:14.940 --> 04:19.420 So, have to sit there, fold shirts, stuff them in a freaking envelope 04:19.420 --> 04:22.080 Find the magazines and stuff those in there 04:22.080 --> 04:24.440 And handwrite out the addresses and everything 04:24.440 --> 04:27.000 Because we do not keep a database of all these people 04:27.000 --> 04:31.520 I like the fact that we give them some semblance of anonymity 04:31.520 --> 04:35.700 Even though, quite honestly, we probably all know that PayPal tracks all that stuff 04:35.700 --> 04:36.640 But I do not 04:36.640 --> 04:37.620 I don't keep a database 04:37.620 --> 04:38.940 So I do everything by hand 04:38.940 --> 04:42.360 And I just don't have the time to do it right now 04:42.360 --> 04:43.680 I'm taking a little bit of a break 04:43.680 --> 04:47.420 To focus on, like I said, some personal things that have come up 04:47.420 --> 04:51.160 So, that is one of the biggest casualties 04:51.160 --> 04:55.240 So, hopefully that's only going to be like 04:55.240 --> 04:57.580 It's kind of hard to tell 04:57.580 --> 05:00.600 I don't know how long this situation is going to last with me 05:00.600 --> 05:02.940 But I'm thinking probably three or four months 05:02.940 --> 05:04.900 I should be back on my feet 05:04.900 --> 05:07.840 And able to fire things up again 05:07.840 --> 05:09.820 Which also should be 05:09.820 --> 05:11.620 If we can help it 05:11.620 --> 05:12.680 Coincide with 05:12.680 --> 05:14.420 Release some other releases 05:14.420 --> 05:16.320 And some new items that we can put out there 05:16.320 --> 05:18.500 We might be able to do something sooner 05:18.500 --> 05:22.360 If I work out some deals with some other people at DEFCON 05:22.360 --> 05:24.340 So we'll, we've got some options 05:24.340 --> 05:25.740 But for now, as far as 05:25.740 --> 05:27.780 You should just count on the fact that we can't 05:27.780 --> 05:30.080 Take any more orders for the next few months 05:30.080 --> 05:32.460 So, if anything changes, of course 05:32.460 --> 05:33.760 We will announce it on the show 05:33.760 --> 05:35.000 And update the website 05:35.000 --> 05:36.400 And yada, yada, yada 05:36.400 --> 05:38.500 So, until then 05:38.500 --> 05:41.060 All ordering is suspended 05:41.060 --> 05:42.880 And yes, if you've got your order in already 05:42.880 --> 05:43.940 I will fulfill it 05:43.940 --> 05:44.940 I'm not out of anything 05:44.940 --> 05:46.300 It's not anything like that 05:46.300 --> 05:49.000 So I will get those out as soon as possible 05:49.000 --> 05:53.620 And I guess that's all I have to say about that 05:53.620 --> 05:57.400 Well, if you're wondering what Stank's personal business is 05:57.400 --> 06:00.840 He's actually, was kind of pissed about female listeners 06:00.840 --> 06:04.300 Not writing in or maybe lack of female listeners 06:04.300 --> 06:06.360 And well, he's doing something about it 06:06.360 --> 06:07.800 He's having a little operation 06:07.800 --> 06:10.080 To make it more gender friendly 06:10.080 --> 06:11.640 That's right 06:11.640 --> 06:12.960 I've already started 06:12.960 --> 06:16.380 I'm already taking hormone replacement therapy 06:16.380 --> 06:19.620 I'm sitting here looking at my fabulous new breastuses right now 06:20.220 --> 06:21.920 I'm excited about those 06:21.920 --> 06:24.520 I'm not as excited as you are, buddy 06:24.520 --> 06:26.000 Anyway 06:26.000 --> 06:29.560 Yeah, actually 06:29.560 --> 06:33.860 About our female listener challenge that we issued a couple weeks ago 06:33.860 --> 06:37.800 Which, of course, for those of you who didn't listen to that episode of the show 06:37.800 --> 06:41.720 We've had an occasional female listener who writes in 06:41.720 --> 06:43.380 Which is fantastic and it's great 06:43.380 --> 06:44.180 We love that 06:44.180 --> 06:46.040 You know, chicks are hot 06:46.040 --> 06:49.440 You know, that's always good when we have chicks listening to the show 06:49.440 --> 06:51.280 And they probably hate being called chicks 06:51.280 --> 06:52.040 But hey, whatever 06:52.040 --> 06:53.020 It's a term of endearment 06:53.020 --> 06:53.880 Anyway 06:53.880 --> 06:56.140 We put out a challenge 06:56.140 --> 06:58.040 Because I got an email from somebody saying 06:58.040 --> 06:59.900 That there are more female listeners out there 06:59.900 --> 07:02.220 Than we actually seem to think there are 07:02.220 --> 07:04.420 So I issued a challenge a couple 07:04.420 --> 07:05.960 Two weeks ago to be exact 07:05.960 --> 07:07.800 I issued a challenge 07:07.800 --> 07:09.620 That said for our female listeners 07:09.620 --> 07:11.400 Or transgender listeners 07:11.400 --> 07:13.040 Or whatever the case may be 07:13.040 --> 07:15.960 To email us and just prove that they exist 07:15.960 --> 07:16.540 That's simple 07:16.540 --> 07:17.300 That's it 07:17.300 --> 07:18.280 Email us 07:18.280 --> 07:19.640 Say, I am a female listener 07:19.640 --> 07:20.540 I enjoy the show 07:20.540 --> 07:21.420 I listen to the show 07:21.420 --> 07:22.260 I hate the show 07:22.260 --> 07:24.280 Just let us know that they're female listeners 07:24.280 --> 07:25.140 And 07:25.140 --> 07:26.960 Two weeks from now 07:26.960 --> 07:29.300 I realize people are downloading it 07:29.300 --> 07:30.480 And don't listen to it right away 07:30.480 --> 07:32.480 But I figured two weeks is a good cutoff point 07:32.480 --> 07:33.500 And 07:33.500 --> 07:34.500 I said 07:34.500 --> 07:36.080 Less than ten 07:36.080 --> 07:36.960 I think was my guess 07:36.960 --> 07:38.200 Less than ten or less than twelve 07:38.200 --> 07:38.600 Not theory 07:38.600 --> 07:39.280 Less than twelve 07:39.280 --> 07:39.720 Yeah 07:39.720 --> 07:40.440 Not theory 07:40.440 --> 07:41.300 I believe his guess 07:41.300 --> 07:42.320 Was less than twenty 07:42.320 --> 07:44.500 And 07:44.500 --> 07:46.700 I guess we're both right 07:46.700 --> 07:47.440 But I think I'm 07:47.440 --> 07:48.260 More right 07:48.260 --> 07:50.080 Because our grand total 07:50.080 --> 07:50.860 Was 07:50.860 --> 07:52.440 One email 07:52.440 --> 07:54.300 From one female listener 07:54.300 --> 07:57.180 Out of five thousand plus downloads 07:57.180 --> 07:59.420 One female listener 07:59.420 --> 08:00.420 Who bothered 08:00.420 --> 08:01.640 To email us 08:01.640 --> 08:02.080 So 08:02.080 --> 08:03.560 Shouts to Amy 08:03.560 --> 08:04.360 For standing up 08:04.360 --> 08:05.160 And being counted 08:05.160 --> 08:06.500 Big shouts to her 08:06.500 --> 08:07.700 And for all the rest of you 08:07.700 --> 08:08.580 Hey 08:08.580 --> 08:09.520 There was 08:09.520 --> 08:10.460 There was the chance 08:10.460 --> 08:11.500 To stand up and be heard 08:11.500 --> 08:13.420 And represent females in hacking 08:13.420 --> 08:14.800 I noticed there's a 08:14.800 --> 08:15.560 There's a 08:15.560 --> 08:16.860 Talk at DEF CON 08:16.860 --> 08:17.720 If I remember correctly 08:17.720 --> 08:17.920 Drew 08:17.920 --> 08:18.720 Did you notice that 08:18.720 --> 08:19.240 About 08:19.240 --> 08:20.020 I did not 08:20.020 --> 08:20.740 There's a 08:20.740 --> 08:21.460 Something about 08:21.460 --> 08:22.000 Why 08:22.000 --> 08:22.920 I 08:22.920 --> 08:24.500 I shouldn't talk about it 08:24.500 --> 08:25.400 Because I don't remember exactly 08:25.400 --> 08:26.820 Something about females in hacking 08:26.820 --> 08:29.400 Maybe why there weren't so many 08:29.400 --> 08:29.940 Or what's 08:29.940 --> 08:30.740 What's the 08:30.740 --> 08:32.660 Obstacles to getting 08:32.660 --> 08:34.660 I don't remember what the exact topic 08:34.660 --> 08:36.680 But it had something to do with females in hacking 08:36.680 --> 08:37.420 So let's see 08:37.420 --> 08:38.600 I guarantee 08:38.600 --> 08:39.800 That if you go there 08:39.800 --> 08:41.320 That's going to be a sausage fest too 08:41.320 --> 08:42.600 It's going to be one 08:42.600 --> 08:43.220 Come on 08:43.220 --> 08:43.700 Let's be honest 08:43.700 --> 08:45.120 There's going to be one woman presenting 08:45.120 --> 08:46.600 There will be maybe 08:46.600 --> 08:48.520 Five percent of the audience or less 08:48.520 --> 08:49.140 Will be female 08:49.140 --> 08:50.420 And it'll be a bunch of dudes 08:50.420 --> 08:53.360 No debate 08:53.360 --> 08:54.700 My wife is coming with me 08:54.700 --> 08:56.560 And she's really excited about going to the 08:56.560 --> 08:58.420 The smelly people group meeting 08:58.420 --> 08:59.640 Ah yeah 08:59.640 --> 09:01.220 Yeah that's 09:01.220 --> 09:02.400 I've heard that about 09:02.400 --> 09:04.300 I've heard that about DEF CON 09:04.300 --> 09:05.120 Let's see how that goes 09:05.120 --> 09:05.620 They need to 09:05.620 --> 09:07.700 They need to get sponsored by like 09:07.700 --> 09:08.720 A deodorant 09:08.720 --> 09:09.060 You know 09:09.060 --> 09:10.340 They need to hand out free samples 09:10.340 --> 09:10.800 Or something 09:10.800 --> 09:11.400 They need to get 09:11.400 --> 09:12.780 Well like Cleveland stunk 09:12.780 --> 09:14.260 And Cleveland was kind of cool 09:14.260 --> 09:15.900 DEF CON I imagine 09:15.900 --> 09:17.180 Is going to be pretty warm outside 09:17.180 --> 09:17.640 So 09:17.640 --> 09:18.840 People are going to be ripe 09:18.840 --> 09:20.720 Looking forward to it 09:20.720 --> 09:21.660 Yeah buddy 09:21.660 --> 09:24.420 Well we can carry around spray deodorant 09:24.420 --> 09:26.160 Just spray people when they need it I guess 09:26.160 --> 09:29.920 What's that stuff you spray on your clothes 09:29.920 --> 09:31.120 To make them smell clean again 09:31.120 --> 09:32.480 Um 09:32.480 --> 09:34.440 I don't know 09:34.440 --> 09:35.080 Febreze 09:35.080 --> 09:36.040 Febreze 09:36.040 --> 09:36.440 That's it 09:36.440 --> 09:36.980 Is that it 09:36.980 --> 09:39.100 Oh come on now 09:39.100 --> 09:40.400 We're advertising on the show 09:40.400 --> 09:44.300 Bring open source Febreze 09:44.300 --> 09:45.480 Make your own at your home 09:45.480 --> 09:47.520 How the hell 09:47.520 --> 09:49.880 Do you make your own Febreze 09:49.880 --> 09:52.920 They actually paid me ten bucks to say that 09:52.920 --> 09:53.320 I'm sorry 09:53.320 --> 09:53.980 Oh okay 09:53.980 --> 09:55.060 That's what I get I guess 09:55.060 --> 09:57.460 That's what I get for having Bubba Hacks on the show 09:57.460 --> 09:59.380 Now speaking of Bubba Hacks 09:59.380 --> 10:00.080 While we're in the 10:00.080 --> 10:00.920 Bubble Hacks 10:00.920 --> 10:02.180 What the fuck is Bubble Hacks 10:02.180 --> 10:04.320 You are kind of bubblicious 10:04.320 --> 10:06.020 It's some kind of bad gum I think 10:06.020 --> 10:06.900 I think so 10:06.900 --> 10:08.820 It's gum for people with bad teeth 10:08.820 --> 10:09.700 Yeah 10:09.700 --> 10:10.200 Um 10:10.200 --> 10:11.580 Bubba Hacks 10:11.580 --> 10:13.880 From Infonomicon TV 10:13.880 --> 10:14.440 It's actually 10:14.440 --> 10:16.620 I don't know how you got my cousin 10:16.620 --> 10:19.420 And got convinced him to do this 10:19.420 --> 10:22.480 Because I saw Infonomicon TV episode 4 10:22.480 --> 10:24.540 And it had my cousin on there 10:24.540 --> 10:26.460 Well see he actually found me 10:26.460 --> 10:28.020 He lives kind of nearby 10:28.020 --> 10:29.340 He needed some help with the camera 10:29.340 --> 10:31.040 So you know I helped him out a little bit 10:31.040 --> 10:31.500 But uh 10:31.500 --> 10:31.840 Ah 10:31.840 --> 10:34.880 Yeah I um 10:34.880 --> 10:37.080 I watched all through that 10:37.080 --> 10:37.800 Then um 10:37.800 --> 10:40.340 Saw a bunch of you Mississippi boys out there 10:40.340 --> 10:42.200 Rolling around in the mud all sexy like 10:42.200 --> 10:43.340 That's right 10:43.340 --> 10:43.860 That's right 10:43.860 --> 10:44.820 Well see I 10:44.820 --> 10:46.980 You gave me some of those copies of uh 10:46.980 --> 10:47.820 Your magazine 10:47.820 --> 10:50.140 And I put them in the little local library 10:50.140 --> 10:52.440 And two of them are still there I'm sure 10:52.440 --> 10:54.820 One of them someone seems to have taken 10:54.820 --> 10:55.600 Which is cool 10:55.600 --> 10:57.140 I mean it's bad that they stole it 10:57.140 --> 10:58.400 But at least someone enjoyed something 10:58.400 --> 10:58.880 Right 10:58.880 --> 11:01.160 Or else they just used it as toilet paper in the woods 11:01.160 --> 11:01.800 I'm not real sure 11:01.800 --> 11:02.980 One or the other 11:02.980 --> 11:03.620 Either way 11:03.620 --> 11:05.020 But I put my email address in it 11:05.020 --> 11:06.240 For people to contact me 11:06.240 --> 11:07.100 And uh 11:07.100 --> 11:08.720 He contacted me 11:08.720 --> 11:09.060 I mean I 11:09.060 --> 11:11.220 It took forever that freaking bottle to get here 11:11.220 --> 11:12.280 But it's there 11:12.280 --> 11:14.820 Yeah and I saw that he sent me a b-mail 11:14.820 --> 11:16.080 In that video too 11:16.080 --> 11:17.340 And I haven't gotten that yet 11:17.340 --> 11:19.420 I gotta keep my eyes out 11:19.420 --> 11:20.420 It hasn't gotten down here yet 11:20.420 --> 11:21.060 Of course it's a good 11:21.060 --> 11:23.020 It's a good long ways down here to South Florida 11:23.020 --> 11:25.240 Well I think that tropical storm out there 11:25.240 --> 11:26.440 In the gulf kind of messed up something 11:26.440 --> 11:27.080 You know what 11:27.080 --> 11:28.080 It might have got caught up 11:28.080 --> 11:31.500 In some kind of offshore current thing or something 11:31.500 --> 11:34.680 It's not really a fail safe system but uh 11:34.680 --> 11:37.740 Yeah there's there's no data redundancy or anything like that 11:37.740 --> 11:39.100 Yeah packet loss is pretty bad 11:39.100 --> 11:40.040 Yeah exactly 11:40.040 --> 11:41.780 Okay well speaking of b-mail 11:41.780 --> 11:42.600 Why don't we uh 11:42.600 --> 11:44.560 Move on to the next segment of our show 11:44.560 --> 12:06.180 Okay our first email this week 12:06.180 --> 12:08.740 Comes from Dogtanian 12:08.740 --> 12:10.860 There's a lot of dogs out there these days 12:10.860 --> 12:12.900 Dogtanian who says 12:12.900 --> 12:15.000 Hey stank dog and droops 12:15.000 --> 12:18.400 Greetings from big bad London town 12:18.400 --> 12:18.760 Yeah 12:18.760 --> 12:21.460 I gotta go to London one time by the way 12:21.460 --> 12:21.820 I really 12:21.820 --> 12:23.400 That is one of my places I want to visit 12:23.400 --> 12:24.300 Outside of the United States 12:24.300 --> 12:25.180 I don't have a whole lot 12:25.180 --> 12:27.000 I can probably count them on one hand 12:27.000 --> 12:27.900 Places I want to visit 12:27.900 --> 12:29.240 London's definitely one of them 12:29.240 --> 12:31.040 Um 12:31.040 --> 12:32.560 Let's see 12:32.560 --> 12:34.520 I don't know if the fireworks outside 12:34.520 --> 12:36.780 Are going off in the middle of the night 12:36.780 --> 12:37.280 Or uh 12:37.280 --> 12:38.600 Being picked up by the microphone 12:38.600 --> 12:39.320 But uh 12:39.320 --> 12:40.760 People are still celebrating the uh 12:40.760 --> 12:41.000 Fourth 12:41.000 --> 12:43.960 We're going to celebrate after we finish recording this 12:43.960 --> 12:45.620 By the time we're done recording this 12:45.620 --> 12:46.200 It'll be the fifth 12:46.200 --> 12:48.320 Well it'll be okay 12:48.320 --> 12:49.940 We're going to go out at city limits 12:49.940 --> 12:52.340 And shoot off one firework that we have 12:52.340 --> 12:53.940 I don't think there's anything wrong 12:53.940 --> 12:56.100 With celebrating the fifth of July as well 12:56.100 --> 12:58.600 You know it is the day after the fourth 12:58.600 --> 12:59.280 It's a good day 12:59.280 --> 12:59.960 Exactly 12:59.960 --> 13:00.900 I mean okay 13:00.900 --> 13:02.240 Everybody else celebrates the fourth 13:02.240 --> 13:02.980 But there's nothing wrong 13:02.980 --> 13:03.620 You know what 13:03.620 --> 13:05.760 You can celebrate the 17th of July if you want 13:05.760 --> 13:06.160 I mean 13:06.160 --> 13:08.260 It's your reason for celebrating 13:08.260 --> 13:10.180 We should celebrate the fifth 13:10.180 --> 13:10.900 Because like the fourth 13:10.900 --> 13:12.060 Is the day we got independence 13:12.060 --> 13:13.840 And like the fifth is the day 13:13.840 --> 13:14.600 We all just chilled 13:14.600 --> 13:14.960 And we're like 13:14.960 --> 13:15.240 Whew 13:15.240 --> 13:16.800 Thank God that's over 13:16.800 --> 13:17.440 Yeah right 13:17.440 --> 13:19.740 Uh 13:19.740 --> 13:20.880 We're all sitting around drunk 13:20.880 --> 13:21.400 Hungover 13:21.400 --> 13:22.960 You know 13:22.960 --> 13:23.560 Cleaning up 13:23.560 --> 13:25.340 All right 13:25.340 --> 13:26.620 So where was I here 13:26.620 --> 13:27.300 Dogtanian 13:27.300 --> 13:29.180 Greetings from Big Bound London Town 13:29.180 --> 13:30.540 I've been listening to your show 13:30.540 --> 13:31.920 For the past five weeks 13:31.920 --> 13:34.400 Ever since I stumbled across 13:34.400 --> 13:39.660 The listing on the iPodder podcast database 13:39.660 --> 13:40.900 I love the show 13:40.900 --> 13:43.120 And have been alternately listening 13:43.120 --> 13:45.540 To BinRev and Emmanuel Goldstein's 13:45.540 --> 13:46.200 Off the Hook 13:46.200 --> 13:48.580 On the way to work most mornings 13:48.580 --> 13:50.680 Both shows whap the ass 13:50.680 --> 13:51.800 Ooh that's a good phrase 13:51.800 --> 13:52.860 Whap the ass 13:52.860 --> 13:54.480 Off of all the bland 13:54.480 --> 13:56.140 Out of the tin radio shows 13:56.140 --> 13:57.280 Over in these parts 13:57.280 --> 13:59.660 Anyhow I was recently told 13:59.660 --> 14:01.020 About an application called 14:01.020 --> 14:01.560 Tor 14:01.560 --> 14:02.800 That's T-O-R 14:02.800 --> 14:03.740 Uh 14:03.740 --> 14:04.240 Which is at 14:04.240 --> 14:06.140 Tor.eff.org 14:06.140 --> 14:08.540 Which purports to provide 14:08.540 --> 14:09.760 A level of anonymity 14:09.760 --> 14:10.620 For web browsing 14:10.620 --> 14:11.360 And other TCP 14:11.360 --> 14:12.480 Through SOX data 14:12.480 --> 14:13.800 Great I thought 14:13.800 --> 14:14.820 This must be too good 14:14.820 --> 14:15.420 To be true 14:15.420 --> 14:16.720 Now I can make it 14:16.720 --> 14:17.620 That 14:17.620 --> 14:18.960 Now I can make it 14:18.960 --> 14:19.860 That bit more difficult 14:19.860 --> 14:21.320 For any of the big 14:21.320 --> 14:22.700 Evil data warehouses 14:22.700 --> 14:23.960 In quotation marks 14:23.960 --> 14:25.880 Big evil data warehouses 14:25.880 --> 14:26.900 To index how much 14:26.900 --> 14:27.920 Unlicensed software 14:27.920 --> 14:29.860 Music and recreational porn 14:29.860 --> 14:33.000 As opposed to 14:33.000 --> 14:34.400 Non- 14:34.400 --> 14:36.360 Like industrial porn 14:36.360 --> 14:36.900 Or what 14:36.900 --> 14:38.960 Ultra porn 14:38.960 --> 14:39.980 Yeah recreational 14:39.980 --> 14:40.580 Okay 14:40.580 --> 14:43.840 Software music and recreational porn 14:43.840 --> 14:45.180 That I may or may not 14:45.180 --> 14:46.880 Download on a daily basis 14:46.880 --> 14:47.200 Okay 14:47.200 --> 14:48.280 You're not fooling anybody 14:48.280 --> 14:52.560 Having read most of the documentation 14:52.560 --> 14:54.160 On the Tor project page 14:54.160 --> 14:55.100 I came to the conclusion 14:55.100 --> 14:56.080 That the methodology 14:56.080 --> 14:56.960 That Tor uses 14:56.960 --> 14:58.600 Would certainly add an element 14:58.600 --> 15:00.240 Of privacy to net usage 15:00.240 --> 15:01.880 Even though it's by no means 15:01.880 --> 15:02.420 Quote 15:02.420 --> 15:03.440 The golden egg 15:03.440 --> 15:04.580 But then 15:04.580 --> 15:05.320 I noticed somewhere 15:05.320 --> 15:06.300 On the home page 15:06.300 --> 15:07.840 That the Tor project 15:07.840 --> 15:08.780 Had been sponsored 15:08.780 --> 15:10.220 In part by DARPA 15:10.220 --> 15:12.800 D-A-R-P-A dot mil 15:12.800 --> 15:13.740 Of course the military 15:13.740 --> 15:15.460 Which appears to be 15:15.460 --> 15:16.800 Some sort of subsidiary 15:16.800 --> 15:18.700 Of the U.S. Department of Defense 15:18.700 --> 15:19.700 Absolutely correct 15:19.700 --> 15:21.260 I immediately thought 15:21.260 --> 15:21.980 It a bit strange 15:21.980 --> 15:23.120 For the Department of Defense 15:23.120 --> 15:24.240 To be involved in a project 15:24.240 --> 15:25.220 Which masquerades 15:25.220 --> 15:25.980 As a facility 15:25.980 --> 15:28.200 For anonymous internet usage 15:28.200 --> 15:29.460 Since I assume 15:29.460 --> 15:30.980 That the DOD's ideology 15:30.980 --> 15:32.360 Is diametrically opposed 15:32.360 --> 15:33.460 To freedom of speech 15:33.460 --> 15:35.060 And the other assorted 15:35.060 --> 15:35.740 Civil liberties 15:35.740 --> 15:36.340 That are being 15:36.340 --> 15:37.160 Ground away 15:37.160 --> 15:38.200 On a day by day basis 15:38.200 --> 15:39.040 By my government 15:39.040 --> 15:39.860 And yours 15:39.860 --> 15:41.960 That's an interesting comment 15:41.960 --> 15:43.060 His government and ours 15:43.060 --> 15:46.480 Remembering that he is in England 15:46.480 --> 15:48.680 Could this be some sort 15:48.680 --> 15:49.660 Of honeypot trap 15:49.660 --> 15:50.840 Set up by the DOD 15:50.840 --> 15:51.540 That's been created 15:51.540 --> 15:52.680 To try and catch 15:52.680 --> 15:53.760 Osama Bin Laden 15:53.760 --> 15:55.880 I think we should be told 15:55.880 --> 15:57.540 Toodle pip 15:57.540 --> 15:59.020 What the hell is that? 15:59.140 --> 15:59.300 Toodle 15:59.300 --> 16:00.120 That's goodbye? 16:01.360 --> 16:01.880 Toodle pip 16:01.880 --> 16:02.960 Pip pip 16:02.960 --> 16:03.480 Toodle-o 16:03.480 --> 16:04.140 Tally-ho 16:04.140 --> 16:04.960 Tally-whacker 16:04.960 --> 16:07.100 Tally-whacker 16:07.100 --> 16:07.520 Well 16:07.520 --> 16:08.140 Toodle pip 16:08.140 --> 16:09.400 Back to you Dogtany 16:09.400 --> 16:10.680 And thank you for the email 16:10.680 --> 16:12.100 Toodle pip 16:12.100 --> 16:12.920 That's another first 16:12.920 --> 16:13.860 For Binny Rev Radio 16:13.860 --> 16:16.420 What about recreational prawn? 16:17.120 --> 16:18.020 All prawn 16:18.020 --> 16:19.240 All prawn is recreational 16:19.240 --> 16:20.760 Right? 16:21.760 --> 16:22.700 I mean you're not like 16:22.700 --> 16:23.340 Yeah 16:23.340 --> 16:24.060 I guess 16:24.060 --> 16:25.660 Maybe if you're for some reason 16:25.660 --> 16:26.500 Downloading porn 16:26.500 --> 16:27.260 And like writing 16:27.260 --> 16:28.600 An analytical study 16:28.600 --> 16:29.160 Or a paper 16:29.160 --> 16:31.460 For some sort of 16:31.460 --> 16:32.540 Analysis 16:32.540 --> 16:33.180 Or medical 16:33.180 --> 16:34.120 Something or other 16:34.120 --> 16:36.680 Even then 16:36.680 --> 16:37.440 I mean it's going to get 16:37.440 --> 16:38.720 Recreational at some point 16:38.720 --> 16:39.820 Unless you've got just like 16:39.820 --> 16:41.260 Absolutely no 16:41.260 --> 16:44.240 You must have just willpower 16:44.240 --> 16:46.240 That couldn't be measured 16:46.240 --> 16:47.320 By any scale 16:47.320 --> 16:47.920 That we have 16:47.920 --> 16:49.960 Anyway 16:49.960 --> 16:52.480 Turning us into the porn show 16:52.480 --> 16:53.020 All of a sudden 16:53.020 --> 16:54.660 Um 16:54.660 --> 16:58.800 Yeah we already did episode 69 16:58.800 --> 16:59.740 We've got to move off of this 16:59.740 --> 17:00.000 Okay 17:00.000 --> 17:00.980 Um 17:00.980 --> 17:02.900 It is definitely 17:02.900 --> 17:03.800 A point of concern 17:03.800 --> 17:04.120 No 17:04.120 --> 17:05.380 No doubt about that 17:05.380 --> 17:05.740 Just 17:05.740 --> 17:06.840 First of all 17:06.840 --> 17:07.620 I like the fact 17:07.620 --> 17:08.820 That you even notice this 17:08.820 --> 17:09.700 A lot of people 17:09.700 --> 17:10.460 Don't even look 17:10.460 --> 17:11.100 Or don't even care 17:11.100 --> 17:12.000 They just see Tor 17:12.000 --> 17:13.220 They might click on 17:13.220 --> 17:13.980 The how it works 17:13.980 --> 17:14.720 Button 17:14.720 --> 17:15.000 Or 17:15.000 --> 17:16.360 The explanation 17:16.360 --> 17:17.080 Of how it works 17:17.080 --> 17:17.460 Or whatever 17:17.460 --> 17:18.380 Um 17:18.380 --> 17:19.660 But they might not even notice 17:19.660 --> 17:20.020 That 17:20.020 --> 17:20.700 That 17:20.700 --> 17:22.540 DARPA was involved 17:22.540 --> 17:24.000 That the DOD was in fact 17:24.000 --> 17:24.960 Involved with this 17:24.960 --> 17:25.500 Somewhat 17:25.500 --> 17:26.440 Um 17:26.440 --> 17:26.940 So first of all 17:26.940 --> 17:27.520 It's cool that you 17:27.520 --> 17:28.480 Actually noticed it 17:28.480 --> 17:30.280 Never blindly trust anything 17:30.280 --> 17:30.620 Anyone 17:30.620 --> 17:31.580 I've always said that 17:31.580 --> 17:33.280 That doesn't mean 17:33.280 --> 17:35.240 When I say that 17:35.240 --> 17:36.100 That's not like a total 17:36.100 --> 17:37.220 Conspiracy thing 17:37.220 --> 17:38.000 That everybody's out 17:38.000 --> 17:38.580 To get you 17:38.580 --> 17:39.500 It's just 17:39.500 --> 17:40.600 Always look 17:40.600 --> 17:41.800 And always be careful first 17:41.800 --> 17:42.520 And then 17:42.520 --> 17:43.500 Hopefully 17:43.500 --> 17:44.900 99% of the times 17:44.900 --> 17:45.500 That you do that 17:45.500 --> 17:46.680 You're still going to be safe 17:46.680 --> 17:48.260 But you catch that 17:48.260 --> 17:49.100 1% of the time 17:49.100 --> 17:49.800 You might not have 17:49.800 --> 17:50.060 So 17:50.060 --> 17:52.140 Don't trust anything 17:52.140 --> 17:53.160 Especially on the 17:53.160 --> 17:54.500 Global interweb 17:54.500 --> 17:55.880 Um 17:55.880 --> 17:56.620 In this 17:56.620 --> 17:57.540 This case 17:57.540 --> 17:58.260 I think 17:58.260 --> 17:59.160 Probably 17:59.160 --> 18:01.740 It's not an issue 18:01.740 --> 18:02.660 It's a non-issue 18:02.660 --> 18:03.980 Or whatever you want to say 18:03.980 --> 18:04.880 Um 18:04.880 --> 18:06.640 The simple fact 18:06.640 --> 18:07.640 First of all 18:07.640 --> 18:08.040 The idea 18:08.040 --> 18:09.120 And you mentioned this yourself 18:09.120 --> 18:10.040 The idea of the way 18:10.040 --> 18:10.740 That it works 18:10.740 --> 18:11.900 By nature 18:11.900 --> 18:13.220 Kind of makes it 18:13.220 --> 18:14.120 Very difficult 18:14.120 --> 18:15.760 Um 18:15.760 --> 18:16.640 For this to be 18:16.640 --> 18:17.040 Tapped 18:17.040 --> 18:17.800 Or to be 18:17.800 --> 18:18.900 Picked up on 18:18.900 --> 18:19.660 Man in the middle 18:19.660 --> 18:20.620 Things like that 18:20.620 --> 18:22.620 Because of the way 18:22.620 --> 18:23.280 That it's routing 18:23.280 --> 18:24.260 So many different ways 18:24.260 --> 18:24.700 Each time 18:24.700 --> 18:25.180 And the encryption 18:25.180 --> 18:26.020 Along the way 18:26.020 --> 18:27.120 So first of all 18:27.120 --> 18:27.880 By nature 18:27.880 --> 18:30.020 It's questionable 18:30.020 --> 18:30.740 However 18:30.740 --> 18:31.500 It is still 18:31.500 --> 18:32.520 Very very much 18:32.520 --> 18:32.980 Possible 18:32.980 --> 18:35.440 The second thing 18:35.440 --> 18:36.140 That helps 18:36.140 --> 18:37.100 Trust this 18:37.100 --> 18:37.800 In my case 18:37.800 --> 18:38.480 In my opinion 18:38.480 --> 18:39.720 Is the fact 18:39.720 --> 18:40.360 That it is 18:40.360 --> 18:40.960 It does seem 18:40.960 --> 18:42.060 To be open source 18:42.060 --> 18:43.380 Now 18:43.380 --> 18:45.580 I will admit 18:45.580 --> 18:46.060 That of course 18:46.060 --> 18:46.720 I have not read 18:46.720 --> 18:47.820 All of the source code 18:47.820 --> 18:48.160 For this 18:48.160 --> 18:48.860 I actually 18:48.860 --> 18:50.200 Have only used this 18:50.200 --> 18:50.900 Once or twice 18:50.900 --> 18:51.940 Just to try it out 18:51.940 --> 18:52.360 Um 18:52.360 --> 18:53.200 It's probably something 18:53.200 --> 18:54.500 That I should be using 18:54.500 --> 18:54.880 More of 18:54.880 --> 18:55.320 And everybody 18:55.320 --> 18:55.900 Should be using 18:55.900 --> 18:56.540 More frankly 18:56.540 --> 18:58.740 But I don't really 18:58.740 --> 18:59.640 Have the need 18:59.640 --> 19:00.640 Right now 19:00.640 --> 19:01.280 I haven't really 19:01.280 --> 19:02.160 Had any desire 19:02.160 --> 19:03.000 To put that on 19:03.000 --> 19:03.560 For one reason 19:03.560 --> 19:03.980 Or the other 19:03.980 --> 19:04.380 So 19:04.380 --> 19:05.520 Um 19:05.520 --> 19:07.180 I glanced 19:07.180 --> 19:08.100 At the source code 19:08.100 --> 19:09.060 It seems to be 19:09.060 --> 19:09.640 All inclusive 19:09.640 --> 19:11.260 And if that is 19:11.260 --> 19:11.820 The case 19:11.820 --> 19:12.920 Anybody who is 19:12.920 --> 19:13.540 Concerned 19:13.540 --> 19:14.240 Can go through 19:14.240 --> 19:14.840 That source code 19:14.840 --> 19:15.500 And see anything 19:15.500 --> 19:16.160 That's going on 19:16.160 --> 19:17.100 The only concern 19:17.100 --> 19:17.960 That I might have 19:17.960 --> 19:18.580 Would be to look 19:18.580 --> 19:19.620 Through that source code 19:19.620 --> 19:20.760 And see if there's 19:20.760 --> 19:21.240 A function 19:21.240 --> 19:21.900 See if there's 19:21.900 --> 19:22.740 A routine in there 19:22.740 --> 19:23.420 Of some kind 19:23.420 --> 19:24.900 That acts as 19:24.900 --> 19:25.400 Some sort of 19:25.400 --> 19:25.900 Back door 19:25.900 --> 19:27.120 And maybe feeds 19:27.120 --> 19:28.100 Queries off 19:28.100 --> 19:28.940 To a third party 19:28.940 --> 19:29.980 Site such as 19:29.980 --> 19:30.720 The department 19:30.720 --> 19:31.320 Of defense 19:31.320 --> 19:32.580 So 19:32.580 --> 19:33.440 If anyone's 19:33.440 --> 19:34.320 Concerned about that 19:34.320 --> 19:35.100 You can of course 19:35.100 --> 19:35.760 Look through the source 19:35.760 --> 19:36.400 And the fact that 19:36.400 --> 19:37.380 They make it open source 19:37.380 --> 19:38.400 Means that they 19:38.400 --> 19:39.340 Probably don't have 19:39.340 --> 19:40.060 Anything to hide 19:40.060 --> 19:40.940 However if you are 19:40.940 --> 19:41.940 Seriously concerned 19:41.940 --> 19:43.320 That's the great 19:43.320 --> 19:44.220 Thing about open source 19:44.220 --> 19:45.440 You can look through 19:45.440 --> 19:46.460 It until you do 19:46.460 --> 19:47.040 Feel safe 19:47.040 --> 19:48.100 And you do trust it 19:48.100 --> 19:49.300 Or if there's 19:49.300 --> 19:49.900 Something that you 19:49.900 --> 19:50.460 Do question 19:50.460 --> 19:51.920 You can modify that 19:51.920 --> 19:53.320 And run your 19:53.320 --> 19:53.840 Own version 19:53.840 --> 19:55.540 There are a lot 19:55.540 --> 19:56.160 Of people that 19:56.160 --> 19:56.740 See the source 19:56.740 --> 19:57.040 Code 19:57.040 --> 19:57.680 And it seems 19:57.680 --> 19:58.200 To me 19:58.200 --> 19:59.800 Human nature 19:59.800 --> 20:00.460 Tells me that 20:00.460 --> 20:00.800 If there was 20:00.800 --> 20:01.240 A problem 20:01.240 --> 20:01.800 If there was 20:01.800 --> 20:02.220 Some sort 20:02.220 --> 20:02.840 Of back door 20:02.840 --> 20:03.840 That we probably 20:03.840 --> 20:04.820 A would have 20:04.820 --> 20:05.280 Heard about it 20:05.280 --> 20:05.760 By now 20:05.760 --> 20:06.580 And B 20:06.580 --> 20:07.180 It would not 20:07.180 --> 20:07.740 Be endorsed 20:07.740 --> 20:08.600 By the EFF 20:08.600 --> 20:10.380 I trust the EFF 20:10.380 --> 20:11.460 One of the few 20:11.460 --> 20:12.300 Places that I do 20:12.300 --> 20:12.940 Have quite a bit 20:12.940 --> 20:13.620 Of trust for 20:13.620 --> 20:14.940 And even them 20:14.940 --> 20:15.540 I won't blindly 20:15.540 --> 20:16.240 Take their word 20:16.240 --> 20:16.520 For it 20:16.520 --> 20:17.340 But their endorsement 20:17.340 --> 20:17.980 Means a lot 20:17.980 --> 20:18.340 To me 20:18.340 --> 20:20.660 So yeah 20:20.660 --> 20:21.380 I think it's 20:21.380 --> 20:22.700 My opinion 20:22.700 --> 20:23.280 On the matter 20:23.280 --> 20:23.900 Is that it is 20:23.900 --> 20:24.740 Probably safe 20:24.740 --> 20:25.260 Droops what do 20:25.260 --> 20:25.580 You think 20:25.580 --> 20:28.260 Well I was 20:28.260 --> 20:28.680 Going to talk 20:28.680 --> 20:29.020 About 20:29.020 --> 20:30.340 He wrote 20:30.340 --> 20:31.660 That it appears 20:31.660 --> 20:32.080 To be some 20:32.080 --> 20:33.060 Subsidiary of the 20:33.060 --> 20:33.700 Department of 20:33.700 --> 20:34.060 Defense 20:34.060 --> 20:35.360 And the 20:35.360 --> 20:35.760 Department of 20:35.760 --> 20:36.160 Defense 20:36.160 --> 20:37.140 DARPA 20:37.140 --> 20:38.020 Used to be 20:38.020 --> 20:38.640 Called ARPA 20:38.640 --> 20:39.860 And periodically 20:39.860 --> 20:40.360 They changed 20:40.360 --> 20:40.720 That name 20:40.720 --> 20:41.280 For some reason 20:41.280 --> 20:41.880 But it stands 20:41.880 --> 20:42.700 For Defense 20:42.700 --> 20:43.320 Advanced 20:43.320 --> 20:45.320 Research Projects 20:45.320 --> 20:45.780 Agency 20:45.780 --> 20:46.700 Right 20:46.700 --> 20:47.240 I want to say 20:47.240 --> 20:49.060 And they're 20:49.060 --> 20:49.540 The ones that 20:49.540 --> 20:49.880 Came up with 20:49.880 --> 20:50.420 The ARPANET 20:50.420 --> 20:50.960 Which is a way 20:50.960 --> 20:51.140 Of 20:51.140 --> 20:53.120 They can have 20:53.120 --> 20:53.680 Redundancy 20:53.680 --> 20:54.100 Of when they're 20:54.100 --> 20:54.420 Shooting their 20:54.420 --> 20:55.060 Nuclear missiles 20:55.060 --> 20:55.720 During the 20:55.720 --> 20:56.220 Cold War 20:56.220 --> 20:57.540 And that 20:57.540 --> 20:58.080 Became 20:58.080 --> 20:59.040 Eventually 20:59.040 --> 20:59.840 The 20:59.840 --> 21:00.440 Milnet 21:00.440 --> 21:00.840 And the 21:00.840 --> 21:01.200 Internet 21:01.200 --> 21:02.280 Came off of 21:02.280 --> 21:02.560 That 21:02.560 --> 21:03.300 Right 21:03.300 --> 21:04.380 So they did 21:04.380 --> 21:04.740 A lot of 21:04.740 --> 21:05.280 Stuff like 21:05.280 --> 21:05.560 This 21:05.560 --> 21:06.060 Back in the 21:06.060 --> 21:06.200 Day 21:06.200 --> 21:06.520 When this 21:06.520 --> 21:07.400 Was all 21:07.400 --> 21:07.960 Theoretical 21:07.960 --> 21:08.220 And now 21:08.220 --> 21:08.360 They're 21:08.360 --> 21:08.700 Coming up 21:08.700 --> 21:09.140 With new 21:09.140 --> 21:09.460 Stuff 21:09.460 --> 21:09.720 Which I 21:09.720 --> 21:09.940 Think is 21:09.940 --> 21:10.480 Really cool 21:10.480 --> 21:11.300 And I'm 21:11.300 --> 21:11.580 Glad that 21:11.580 --> 21:11.720 They're 21:11.720 --> 21:12.220 Sharing it 21:12.220 --> 21:12.520 With other 21:12.520 --> 21:12.880 People 21:12.880 --> 21:13.960 Right 21:13.960 --> 21:14.680 And frankly 21:14.680 --> 21:15.200 For all I 21:15.200 --> 21:15.600 Know about 21:15.600 --> 21:15.860 This 21:15.860 --> 21:16.820 And granted 21:16.820 --> 21:17.280 I don't 21:17.280 --> 21:18.360 Know the 21:18.360 --> 21:18.740 Level 21:18.740 --> 21:19.220 The level 21:19.220 --> 21:19.640 Of depth 21:19.640 --> 21:20.040 That maybe 21:20.040 --> 21:20.500 Someone else 21:20.500 --> 21:20.780 Does 21:20.780 --> 21:21.780 But this 21:21.780 --> 21:22.200 Could be 21:22.200 --> 21:22.740 Based off 21:22.740 --> 21:23.040 Of old 21:23.040 --> 21:23.420 ARPANET 21:23.420 --> 21:24.000 Technology 21:24.000 --> 21:24.660 From pre 21:24.660 --> 21:24.940 Internet 21:24.940 --> 21:25.260 Days 21:25.260 --> 21:25.840 Because like 21:25.840 --> 21:26.300 Droops 21:26.300 --> 21:26.840 Just mentioned 21:26.840 --> 21:27.640 You know 21:27.640 --> 21:28.080 That kind 21:28.080 --> 21:28.380 Of grew 21:28.380 --> 21:28.840 Into what 21:28.840 --> 21:29.180 We know 21:29.180 --> 21:29.620 Today 21:29.620 --> 21:30.560 This could be 21:33.300 --> 21:33.680 Somebody just 21:33.680 --> 21:34.240 Found or 21:34.240 --> 21:34.480 Stumbled 21:34.480 --> 21:35.120 Across or 21:35.120 --> 21:35.380 That they 21:35.380 --> 21:36.160 Just released 21:36.160 --> 21:37.640 Or it 21:37.640 --> 21:37.920 Could be 21:37.920 --> 21:38.400 Something that 21:38.400 --> 21:38.620 They've 21:38.620 --> 21:38.900 Recently 21:38.900 --> 21:39.460 Developed 21:39.460 --> 21:39.880 I find 21:39.880 --> 21:40.020 It 21:40.020 --> 21:41.380 If there's 21:41.380 --> 21:41.760 Something that 21:41.760 --> 21:42.180 Was recently 21:42.180 --> 21:42.740 Developed 21:42.740 --> 21:43.400 I don't 21:43.400 --> 21:43.960 Know that 21:43.960 --> 21:44.820 I don't 21:44.820 --> 21:45.760 See them 21:45.760 --> 21:46.500 Actually releasing 21:46.500 --> 21:46.940 It to the 21:46.940 --> 21:47.280 Public 21:47.280 --> 21:48.260 If it's 21:48.260 --> 21:48.760 Something that's 21:48.760 --> 21:49.060 Recent 21:49.060 --> 21:50.480 So I 21:50.480 --> 21:50.700 Don't know 21:50.700 --> 21:51.020 I'd be 21:51.020 --> 21:51.300 Interested 21:51.300 --> 21:51.740 If somebody 21:51.740 --> 21:52.520 Does know 21:52.520 --> 21:53.060 Intimate 21:53.060 --> 21:53.880 Intimately 21:53.880 --> 21:54.780 Knows the 21:54.780 --> 21:55.620 Tor system 21:55.620 --> 21:56.020 And how it 21:56.020 --> 21:56.220 Works 21:56.220 --> 21:56.660 I would love 21:56.660 --> 21:57.040 To hear 21:57.040 --> 21:58.020 Some sort 21:58.020 --> 21:58.680 Of authoritative 21:58.680 --> 21:59.300 Response 21:59.300 --> 22:00.060 Not somebody 22:00.060 --> 22:00.720 Who uses it 22:00.720 --> 22:01.020 And thinks 22:01.020 --> 22:01.340 They know 22:01.340 --> 22:01.780 But if you're 22:01.780 --> 22:02.220 An authority 22:02.220 --> 22:02.900 On Tor 22:02.900 --> 22:03.280 Please 22:03.280 --> 22:03.780 Email us 22:03.780 --> 22:04.100 And let us 22:04.100 --> 22:04.320 Know 22:04.320 --> 22:07.080 Okay well 22:07.080 --> 22:07.760 While I get 22:07.760 --> 22:08.380 A sip of 22:08.380 --> 22:08.820 Iced tea 22:08.820 --> 22:09.540 Why don't 22:09.540 --> 22:10.260 You go 22:10.260 --> 22:10.580 Into the 22:10.580 --> 22:11.000 Next email 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If you get a bandwidth spike one day, that will be me grabbing the whole archive 29:26.400 --> 29:32.840 at school, 2 megabit connection. Woot! I'm listening to you in Australia. Hey, now. 29:33.680 --> 29:37.280 What we really do, you know, that's the two biggest countries. I'm going to go ahead and 29:37.280 --> 29:41.940 say we get support from a lot of different countries, but the two biggest, England and 29:41.940 --> 29:47.520 Australia. Well, I should say the United Kingdom and Australia. What about America? Well, that 29:47.520 --> 29:52.700 goes without saying. That's obvious. Non-United States countries. And when you say America, 29:52.840 --> 29:57.300 don't go, be careful now. You get all people in the forums all pissed because there's North 29:57.300 --> 30:03.140 America, South America, Central America, etc., etc. It's the United States of America. What 30:03.140 --> 30:10.060 if I put America in the middle of a copyright symbol? I don't know. Okay, go ahead. Okay. 30:12.000 --> 30:17.380 And also, maybe you'll back me up on this rant, either that or you'll disagree with me, but 30:17.380 --> 30:24.760 it's great that we get new listeners via podcast and all, but we preceded podcast by like four 30:24.760 --> 30:29.760 fucking years. It just, you know what? I love that people are joining us and everything, 30:29.900 --> 30:34.700 and it is a great tool. Podcasting is awesome, but we've been around for a lot longer than 30:34.700 --> 30:35.880 podcasting's been around. 30:38.160 --> 30:39.080 That you have. 30:39.260 --> 30:40.440 Am I on my own here or what? 30:40.840 --> 30:44.480 No, no, no. I hate the term podcasting. 30:44.480 --> 30:47.560 You're typing. Are you surfing for porn while we're doing this show? 30:48.140 --> 30:49.140 I am, actually. 30:49.620 --> 30:50.360 Recreational porn? 30:51.300 --> 30:52.980 Recreational porn. Actually, it's for work. 30:56.200 --> 31:02.260 No, yes, you're right. You have preceded podcasting by like four fucking years, but podcasting is 31:02.260 --> 31:04.320 synonymous now for internet radio. 31:04.720 --> 31:06.640 And yes, that is a very true statement. 31:06.640 --> 31:12.400 Like, I have a site that we've put up for people to have a radio show, and it doesn't 31:12.400 --> 31:16.340 have to be like a tech show or anything, just if you need some server space for a while until 31:16.340 --> 31:21.520 you determine that it takes too much fucking effort to do a show, and you quit. And it's 31:21.520 --> 31:25.760 podcastincubator.com, just because that's synonymous for internet radio. 31:25.760 --> 31:31.560 Yeah, it is. It really is. Podcasting and internet radio are almost interchangeable these 31:31.560 --> 31:37.100 days. People do not realize the difference. And in some cases, there is a difference. 31:37.960 --> 31:43.880 In fact, I do a lot of geocaching, and some people put up a geocaching podcast from Australia, 31:44.240 --> 31:49.920 and they didn't have like an RSS feed. They just had MP3 links to download from their website, 31:50.100 --> 31:52.780 and they considered it a podcast, because that's internet radio. 31:52.780 --> 32:00.580 Uh-huh. So they didn't even... That's good. Well, anyway, like I said, podcasting is great. 32:00.660 --> 32:04.940 It's a great form of delivery. It's a great way to, you know, automate a lot of stuff, make 32:04.940 --> 32:10.300 it easier for people to get access to your show and find your show. But it is not synonymous 32:10.300 --> 32:14.140 with internet radio, unfortunately. But, hey, what are you going to do? You know, the term 32:14.140 --> 32:20.780 it's happened, and I think it's one of those things that may be a lost term again. So, anyway, 32:20.780 --> 32:26.220 let's see. Australia. Okay, I was thinking about how you said to mix up... This is back 32:26.220 --> 32:31.040 to VoltageX's email. I was thinking about how you said to mix up your searches between 32:31.040 --> 32:39.080 engines, and hacked out this little bit of code in PHP to do it for me. I removed this 32:39.080 --> 32:43.680 code, because I can't really read it on the air, so I cut it out of the email here. But 32:43.680 --> 32:49.960 I would love to see this in the forum. So, anyway, yeah, yeah, you could do it in JavaScript, 32:50.280 --> 32:54.760 but where's the fun in that? You could even log searches. Of course, I'd never do this on 32:54.760 --> 32:59.240 a public site, but I like statistics, so I'll probably do it for my own searches. My quick 32:59.240 --> 33:03.940 test of this script shows that it is okay at randomizing searches, but not great. This 33:03.940 --> 33:07.860 could simply be because of the number of engines, and could be fixed by adding duplicates 33:07.860 --> 33:14.320 to dollar sign engines, which is a variable name. Also, I kind of need to write a front-end 33:14.320 --> 33:18.920 search box for it, but I haven't yet, and that should be easy enough as well. Lastly, 33:19.000 --> 33:23.280 is there anything I could do to help you out with FinRev's site or another project? I have 33:23.280 --> 33:28.740 intermediate HTML, CSS, PHP, MySQL experience, and I'd love to give something back for your 33:28.740 --> 33:33.380 show, and as I don't have a lot of money, I can give some of my time. Thanks again for 33:33.380 --> 33:40.140 your show. All right, VoltageX, a couple things here to talk about. First of all, yeah, the 33:40.140 --> 33:45.140 PHP code, again, reading that on the radio show is a little bit uncalled for, I think, 33:45.780 --> 33:51.660 so I'm not going to post it because I'm not sure if you want it shared exactly. I mean, 33:51.700 --> 33:56.820 you need to email it to the radio address, but go over to forums.binrev.com and post it. 33:56.840 --> 34:00.600 We have a code section. If you haven't already, maybe it's out there and I haven't seen it 34:00.600 --> 34:05.260 or missed it, but go to forums.binrev.com and there's a general code section. You can 34:05.260 --> 34:10.080 post it in there, a nice handy little script, and maybe somebody can write a front end for 34:10.080 --> 34:17.540 it. I mean, it's not too awful hard to do that. As far as helping out, now, I get a lot 34:17.540 --> 34:25.300 of emails like this and it's very flattering and I really wish I had an answer to this question, 34:25.300 --> 34:31.560 unfortunately, but the truth of the matter is that we've got most of the programming. We can 34:31.560 --> 34:37.280 handle it. We've got most of the programming stuff done. I appreciate people who offer their 34:37.280 --> 34:41.540 time and services and if I do come up with anything, by all means, I will let people know. I'll 34:41.540 --> 34:45.480 mention it on the radio show and, you know, if people want to write in if they have time 34:45.480 --> 34:51.400 to work on it, that's great. The biggest thing that we need more than anything is content, 34:51.400 --> 34:56.900 maintenance and content for the sites that are already existing or upcoming sites. Our 34:56.900 --> 35:02.400 hacktivism site, and that was going to be our site of real hacktivism, not this chaos 35:02.400 --> 35:12.260 anarchy crap stuff, excuse me. No, it's crap as far as I'm concerned, but anyway, that site 35:12.260 --> 35:16.880 has become stagnant for a while because, you know, we've got this site up and running. The 35:16.880 --> 35:21.300 programming is, for the most part, done. All we need is content and, unfortunately, 35:21.400 --> 35:26.400 it's timing issues and especially, again, I feel like I'm beating a dead horse telling 35:26.400 --> 35:32.040 everybody I'm not going to be able to do projects like this in the future, but I need people 35:32.040 --> 35:36.120 that are going to be willing to jump in and provide some content and some maintenance of 35:36.120 --> 35:40.940 the site, admin some of the sites, things like that, make sure that it's organized and 35:40.940 --> 35:44.940 that there's data put up every day. You know, you put a site up and nobody posts to it for 35:44.940 --> 35:49.020 a month, you know, it's pretty much considered a dead site. People notice it hasn't been updated 35:49.020 --> 35:53.460 in a month, they won't come back. Just the nature of it, you know, it's just the way 35:53.460 --> 35:58.200 it is. They're not going to come back. So, the site itself is up and running, but I wish 35:58.200 --> 36:02.140 I had more people providing content for that hacktivism site that is. Same thing with dock 36:02.140 --> 36:06.580 droppers. If you know wiki markup language, if you know how to write in wiki, whatever they 36:06.580 --> 36:10.460 call that wiki ticky language or whatever the crap that's called, it's basically like a 36:10.460 --> 36:17.680 BB code type thing. If you know that, we can always use people to edit and update article 36:17.680 --> 36:21.320 submissions. We've got a lot of stuff out there that I go through once in a while when 36:21.320 --> 36:26.400 I have free time, but that seems to be never. So, yeah, most of the development projects 36:26.400 --> 36:32.200 that we have and the actual coding projects are pretty much done or are in progress with 36:32.200 --> 36:37.460 DDP members right now. So, it's really hard sometimes to sit here and come up with projects 36:37.460 --> 36:42.340 for people. A lot of people will ask me this in IRC and I don't, like, have a list of projects 36:42.340 --> 36:48.500 to sit here and hand out to people. A, it feels kind of weird, you know, and B, anytime we do 36:48.500 --> 36:54.660 have an idea for a project, we just do it. So, I don't know, kind of awkward. Droops, you 36:54.660 --> 36:58.460 got any projects? You want them to come by and, like, build a shed for you or help work 36:58.460 --> 36:59.300 on a deck or what? 36:59.720 --> 37:05.200 Yeah, I need to help working on my deck. If anybody's really good with, like, tools and 37:05.200 --> 37:11.440 stuff. And I don't mind losing a couple fingers because I'm not really good with tools. 37:12.440 --> 37:14.560 Make sure you film that for Infonomicon. 37:15.620 --> 37:19.640 Yeah, I'm like, hold this, and it's some computer programmer and I just cut his fingers off and 37:19.640 --> 37:20.480 he's screwed for life. 37:20.540 --> 37:22.980 And then point at him and laugh and go, owned! 37:26.020 --> 37:28.660 No, no, it's pruned. I'll send it to you for a video. 37:28.660 --> 37:36.040 Okay. All right, well, that's all from me. You want to read the next one? 37:37.160 --> 37:39.100 Oh, I guess we're down to that, aren't we? 37:39.200 --> 37:39.820 Yes, we are. 37:40.300 --> 37:45.220 All right, I don't really know how to say this, but I'm going to say destroy-g-biv. 37:46.760 --> 37:47.840 Destroy-g-biv. 37:48.500 --> 37:49.460 Destroy-g-biv. 37:49.940 --> 37:50.860 Because Roy-g-biv, right, you know... 37:50.860 --> 37:53.740 I'm trying to be just slow-roam and say them real fast. People don't really pick up on it. 37:54.300 --> 37:55.880 Roy-g-biv. You remember that, right? 37:56.380 --> 37:58.200 You know what Roy-g-biv refers to. 37:58.860 --> 37:59.820 No, I don't, actually. 38:00.020 --> 38:00.920 That's like grade school. 38:01.720 --> 38:06.280 That's how you remember the colors of the rainbow. Red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, violet. 38:08.560 --> 38:08.960 Wow. 38:09.340 --> 38:10.120 You didn't know that? 38:10.380 --> 38:11.420 I'm writing that down. 38:14.300 --> 38:17.700 I didn't have to learn the rainbow in straight school, buddy. 38:18.700 --> 38:19.660 Straight school. 38:22.420 --> 38:25.620 Anyway, they say, hello, Mr. Dog and Mr. Droops. 38:25.880 --> 38:33.640 I stumbled upon your show for the first time this week thanks to iTunes 4.9 Update, which is where they allow you to do the podcasting. 38:34.260 --> 38:38.440 And I have only listened to episode 101 so far, but I very much enjoyed it. 38:38.840 --> 38:42.760 I particularly like the small tangent on social engineering in response to an email. 38:43.580 --> 38:50.520 I just wanted to throw in there that a great way to practice taking or talking is with pizza delivery dispatchers. 38:50.520 --> 38:52.780 They're usually extremely bored and eager to talk. 38:52.900 --> 38:57.120 You can be the, I can't read on a fifth grade level, I'm more of a third grade. 38:57.280 --> 38:57.640 Okay. 38:57.860 --> 39:03.680 But it says, you can be who you want and say what you want and they will not hang up on you so long as you remain a gentleman. 39:04.540 --> 39:05.480 Anyway, keep it up. 39:05.540 --> 39:07.860 I have a hundred back episodes to listen to. 39:07.860 --> 39:13.200 Yes, you certainly do have a lot of listening to do. 39:13.820 --> 39:16.860 Well, either that or you might listen to one or two more and decide you hate us. 39:17.400 --> 39:19.720 In which case, you know, fuck off. 39:20.720 --> 39:22.140 No, let's see. 39:23.080 --> 39:31.720 See, I'm a little bit disappointed in myself because I never did quite put together a good social engineering episode of the show. 39:31.720 --> 39:37.920 And I wanted to, I'll try again next soon, but next season, I guess. 39:38.120 --> 39:48.160 But I frankly don't see that happening anytime soon either because it's just, it's just such a, all, it's just such a broad topic. 39:48.720 --> 39:58.980 I could, you know what, that's the kind of thing that I would like to put on Dual Parallel's old idea of Hacker Public Radio. 39:58.980 --> 40:03.340 I mean, that's the kind of thing that we could sit there and talk about for hours and hours. 40:03.440 --> 40:10.940 I don't, you know, one hour show, one and a half hour show, excuse me, which we usually only get, you know, 30 minutes or less with the main topic, 45 minutes, whatever. 40:13.040 --> 40:15.280 Maybe less than that tonight, the way things are going. 40:17.460 --> 40:21.040 You need a lot of time to cover a lot of the different things. 40:21.120 --> 40:28.300 And any time I feel like I'm starting on it, it's like I keep adding more and I keep adding more and I realize I'll never get it in on one episode. 40:28.300 --> 40:30.860 So, I keep putting it off. 40:30.940 --> 40:41.460 Maybe eventually I'll try to make that happen, but, you know, in the meantime, you know, it is a good point in this email and that is social engineering with anybody. 40:41.560 --> 40:46.020 And I know Lucky, you know, loves it when people social engineer the pizza delivery people. 40:46.240 --> 40:48.340 I know Lucky loves that so much. 40:48.740 --> 40:50.520 You can social engineer anyone. 40:50.520 --> 40:58.500 And this is the kind of thing that I would go into more on a full episode, but I'll make a short version here. 40:59.640 --> 41:07.500 It kind of bugs me that people equate social engineering with lying because they're so not the same thing. 41:07.580 --> 41:09.680 Those words, those are not interchangeable. 41:10.360 --> 41:13.720 You know, you call up somebody and tell them you're someone else. 41:13.720 --> 41:17.480 I guess you could say that's part of social engineering. 41:17.620 --> 41:18.920 I mean, I wouldn't even argue that. 41:18.980 --> 41:19.700 I think it is. 41:20.000 --> 41:21.900 But it's not the only aspect of it. 41:21.980 --> 41:29.020 It's not simply claiming to be someone that you are not to get something done. 41:29.420 --> 41:32.360 I've gotten a lot of great information just by being myself. 41:32.360 --> 41:40.740 Just by calling up and manipulating my words properly, it requires a very, very strong grasp of the English language. 41:41.360 --> 41:48.100 A very, very, you need to have a lot of, I guess I don't have a strong grasp of the English language on this show here. 41:49.100 --> 41:51.320 You need to be able to think quick on your feet. 41:51.440 --> 41:54.200 You need to be able to adapt and kind of improv a lot of stuff. 41:54.200 --> 42:08.080 And you need to be able to roll with the punches and kind of adapt and keep people at ease and keep them away from what you don't want them to hear while at the same time driving them towards what you do want to hear. 42:08.840 --> 42:19.980 So absolutely, pizza delivery people, anybody on the phone is always great, especially if you remember back in the early telephonic craptaculars, one of my favorite targets was the telemarketers. 42:19.980 --> 42:28.920 If they're already calling me up, I might as well use them as targets to practice social engineering, see what kind of information I can get out of them, see what kind of stuff I can get them to do. 42:29.940 --> 42:38.300 So anybody that you meet ever, social engineering, make it part of your day-to-day lifestyle, if you will, for lack of a better word. 42:38.360 --> 42:44.100 Try to get information out of every single person that you ever meet in life just for the practice, just for the challenge of it. 42:44.100 --> 42:54.700 Try to, you know, even just when you meet new people, just see if you can get information out of them, like maybe where they live or names of family members or just anything. 42:55.160 --> 42:58.040 Keep giving yourself different goals like that without, you know, it's no fun. 42:58.100 --> 42:59.580 You come out and ask, so you got any kids? 42:59.660 --> 43:01.300 That kind of, that's not social engineering. 43:01.420 --> 43:02.380 That's asking a question. 43:03.080 --> 43:08.920 But, you know, if you can beat around a bush a little bit and make them admit that they've got kids or, you know, one of the ways to do that. 43:08.920 --> 43:18.220 And, again, this is where I'm scared of going off onto this huge tangent, you know, mention that, oh, yes, well, I have to pick my son or daughter up at daycare. 43:18.580 --> 43:21.060 That, you don't have to ask the person a question. 43:21.240 --> 43:22.720 Usually they're like, oh, really? 43:22.880 --> 43:23.980 So I have a son, too. 43:24.240 --> 43:25.900 They usually will volunteer information. 43:26.720 --> 43:29.080 And that's what social engineering is to me. 43:29.080 --> 43:37.600 And I can give tons and tons of examples and demos like that of how to get that information out of people without asking them directly, without raising suspicions. 43:37.600 --> 43:43.760 By properly wording questions and phrases, you can drive the conversation just about anywhere that you want. 43:46.400 --> 43:47.340 This is very true. 43:47.420 --> 43:48.040 This is very true. 43:48.340 --> 43:48.520 Yeah. 43:49.060 --> 43:49.620 All right. 43:49.700 --> 43:51.420 Well, I'm running out of breath. 43:51.500 --> 43:53.000 We're running out of time on the show. 43:53.460 --> 43:56.560 Let's bolt through these last couple of emails real fast here. 43:57.040 --> 43:58.720 Unless you wanted to add anything more to that. 43:58.720 --> 44:01.520 I mean, everybody likes messing with the pizza delivery people, right? 44:02.160 --> 44:16.300 Well, I actually messed with a local phone company the other day when AT&T was doing their biome or avoid hooking them up to the line or whatever tactics that the government regulated on them the first time real well. 44:17.120 --> 44:21.160 They missed Bruce, Mississippi, which is this little town of like seven people. 44:21.540 --> 44:23.020 And they have a local phone company. 44:23.020 --> 44:30.440 And I'm actually going down there for a tour because I called them and I spoke redneck to them and told them I was a college student, which I am. 44:30.860 --> 44:33.600 And I was taking a telecommunications class, which I was. 44:33.780 --> 44:34.100 Right. 44:34.300 --> 44:36.080 And I was interested in seeing all their equipment. 44:36.220 --> 44:38.000 And they're letting me come down there. 44:39.260 --> 44:39.500 Yep. 44:39.560 --> 44:39.960 That's always a... 44:39.960 --> 44:40.620 And that's going to be really cool. 44:40.620 --> 44:45.140 I didn't tell them, hey, I have this internet radio show and I'm going to take pictures of your stuff and show everybody. 44:45.200 --> 44:45.460 Yeah. 44:45.580 --> 44:46.320 Less is more. 44:46.420 --> 44:48.060 You don't have to give that information out. 44:48.600 --> 44:48.940 Yeah. 44:48.940 --> 44:49.420 Yep. 44:49.560 --> 44:50.800 Absolutely great example. 44:52.180 --> 44:52.820 All right. 44:52.940 --> 44:53.440 Let's see. 44:53.500 --> 44:55.320 Next email comes from... 44:55.320 --> 45:00.040 I'm going to withhold the name, real name here, so I'm going to hold that back, who says, 45:00.140 --> 45:05.240 At the time I started listening to your show, I had a P2 with eight gigs of space and no CD-RW. 45:05.640 --> 45:09.760 It was hard for me to have all the episodes in one place because I had no space. 45:10.000 --> 45:13.880 I recently got a new computer with lots of space and a CD-RW unit. 45:13.880 --> 45:18.960 I wanted to ask you if it's okay if I download all of the episodes again. 45:20.240 --> 45:20.640 No. 45:21.040 --> 45:22.520 Next email comes from... 45:22.520 --> 45:23.400 Okay, no, fine. 45:24.140 --> 45:27.000 If you really want to knock yourself out, take guests. 45:27.080 --> 45:29.020 By all means, download everything you want. 45:29.280 --> 45:30.620 That's why we make them available. 45:31.320 --> 45:35.700 We do get people, and people being polite, you know, asking permission before they hammer a server. 45:35.800 --> 45:36.380 But you know what? 45:36.880 --> 45:38.640 We can handle a lot. 45:38.860 --> 45:42.760 You know, we upgraded servers, and if we need to upgrade again at some point, we will do that. 45:42.760 --> 45:46.180 So absolutely knock yourself out, download whatever you want. 45:46.300 --> 45:47.700 People do it every day. 45:48.340 --> 45:52.060 There are people still downloading episode one, episode two, et cetera, et cetera. 45:52.200 --> 45:54.800 There's people that are downloading the whole batch of them in one day. 45:55.000 --> 45:56.940 So by all means, help yourself. 45:57.920 --> 46:07.180 We will, back at the Fifth Hope Conference in July of 2004, we did put out, hand out free copies of season one on CD. 46:07.180 --> 46:13.060 We burned all the MP3s to it, made a nice start-up screen where it came right up and gave the show notes and everything. 46:13.340 --> 46:15.700 So we'll probably do something like that for season two. 46:16.540 --> 46:20.580 I don't think we're going to have it for DeskCon, but we'll probably do something like that eventually. 46:21.540 --> 46:26.040 And possibly even a DVD with all, maybe the high-quality versions. 46:26.040 --> 46:28.600 I still have the high-quality versions, the uncompressed stuff. 46:29.200 --> 46:34.320 I'll see if I can make a little bit higher bit-rate version of those, compress them, but still make them better quality. 46:35.060 --> 46:38.100 And throw both seasons and some extra stuff on DVD. 46:39.340 --> 46:43.500 But again, that's contingent on what I mentioned earlier with all the things going on. 46:43.620 --> 46:45.160 So we will see. 46:45.260 --> 46:48.540 But in the meantime, yes, knock yourself out, download what you want from the site. 46:48.960 --> 46:51.740 If it's a problem, we'll take it off the site so that you can't download anymore. 46:51.800 --> 46:52.140 That's all. 46:54.320 --> 46:54.800 That's right. 46:54.860 --> 46:55.520 That's how we do it. 46:55.520 --> 46:55.900 Yeah. 46:56.040 --> 46:57.500 Droops, why don't you read the last email there, buddy? 46:58.100 --> 47:02.000 This email is from AproHiss, and they say, 47:02.080 --> 47:05.880 Hey, Snake and Droops, I was wondering how much bandwidth you go through a month. 47:06.260 --> 47:10.620 I'm sure it's a lot, and wanted to know what host you use that will supply you with that much. 47:11.160 --> 47:11.880 Love your show. 47:12.240 --> 47:13.220 Keep up the great work. 47:13.600 --> 47:18.060 Now, before you answer this, I go through like 200 gigs a month, 47:18.180 --> 47:21.040 but that's all like Iron Geeks videos that are hosted on my site. 47:21.600 --> 47:22.080 Uh-huh. 47:22.080 --> 47:29.660 So, yeah, videos really are what eats up a lot of the bandwidth, um, the MP3s of the radio show, of course. 47:29.660 --> 47:36.060 Um, each episode of BinRev is downloaded around 5,000 to 6,000 times and climbing, 47:36.220 --> 47:39.540 some as high as 7,000, I guess, within a month or so. 47:39.540 --> 47:42.220 So, um, that adds up. 47:42.320 --> 47:48.600 You know, each one around 15 megs or somewhere thereabouts, uh, 14, 15 megs for a full hour and a half show. 47:49.500 --> 47:55.080 Uh, so, uh, we use about 300 to 400 gigs a month, 47:55.260 --> 47:59.580 and, uh, really a lot of that's because we use mirrors for most of the video stuff now, 47:59.580 --> 48:05.700 um, which we greatly appreciate, and when we do release the next episode, which is very, very close, 48:05.760 --> 48:08.460 so close that I'm not even going to tease anybody with it. 48:08.960 --> 48:09.320 Um. 48:09.940 --> 48:10.700 Am I in that one? 48:11.080 --> 48:13.880 Uh, no, you are not in this one. 48:14.420 --> 48:14.860 You're in the next one. 48:14.860 --> 48:14.960 Damn. 48:15.280 --> 48:16.600 You're in the next one, though. 48:17.640 --> 48:18.720 That's what you always say. 48:19.060 --> 48:20.020 Well, no, no, no, no. 48:20.020 --> 48:23.320 You're in episode three, and it's the funniest outtake ever. 48:23.320 --> 48:27.180 Uh, let's see. 48:27.280 --> 48:30.420 Maybe I should just release that as just a separate episode, because that's so funny. 48:31.400 --> 48:31.760 Anyway. 48:33.380 --> 48:34.460 Uh, let's see. 48:34.540 --> 48:39.240 Oh, as far as the company, uh, the hosting company, they, you know what, we pay them. 48:39.700 --> 48:42.240 Uh, we change every once in a while if we need to grow, 48:42.360 --> 48:44.240 if we're not getting what we need from the current place, 48:44.240 --> 48:48.620 but, um, since they're not giving us any kickbacks or any, uh, price breaks or anything like that, 48:48.900 --> 48:49.240 fuck them. 48:49.980 --> 48:52.500 Uh, I'm not giving them free advertising, so don't worry about that. 48:52.500 --> 48:56.400 If you really want to know, you can, you know, you can find out pretty damn easily. 48:57.260 --> 49:03.780 Um, so, as far as bandwidth, yeah, I already said, three to four hundred gigs a month in a normal month. 49:04.220 --> 49:09.940 So, it fluctuates a little bit if we release Hack TV, or when we released Pwned, for example, 49:10.020 --> 49:11.160 it's spiked up quite a bit. 49:12.080 --> 49:12.240 Mmm. 49:12.860 --> 49:14.200 I got the hiccups on the show now. 49:14.260 --> 49:14.780 That sucks. 49:15.300 --> 49:16.700 Drink some, uh, sweet tea. 49:16.820 --> 49:17.300 Yeah, you know what? 49:17.300 --> 49:18.240 I will take some sweet tea. 49:18.240 --> 49:21.960 Wow, you type. 49:22.100 --> 49:23.240 That's great radio. 49:23.340 --> 49:24.820 Me drinking tea, and you typing. 49:25.320 --> 49:27.980 I'm doing research for the show, you bastard. 49:28.280 --> 49:28.780 You're looking at porn. 49:28.780 --> 49:33.840 I actually just downloaded the 4.9 version of iTunes, and I'm, they have a whole podcast thing. 49:34.560 --> 49:35.980 It says, now with podcasts. 49:36.700 --> 49:40.060 And I was looking at my show, and then I'm about to look up your show and see what it says. 49:40.060 --> 49:46.040 I was going to say, isn't that funny that iTunes, you know, with the iPod, is really what podcasting got its name from, 49:46.120 --> 49:49.420 and iTunes is just now getting around to supporting podcasting? 49:50.380 --> 49:51.280 Infenomicon is in it. 49:51.520 --> 49:52.340 Artist unknown. 49:52.560 --> 49:53.060 Category technology. 49:53.980 --> 49:56.080 News you need, like it or not, and it's free. 49:56.960 --> 49:57.400 Sweet. 49:59.920 --> 50:00.640 Oh, yeah. 50:00.920 --> 50:04.060 Binrev doesn't even make the cut, is that what's... 50:04.060 --> 50:06.860 Yeah, this is cool. 50:08.220 --> 50:09.500 So, Binrev is not there? 50:10.060 --> 50:11.040 I don't have it looked you up. 50:11.080 --> 50:11.340 I'm sorry. 50:11.400 --> 50:11.780 Oh, okay. 50:13.520 --> 50:16.660 Anyway, yeah, if we release Hack TV, it climbs up quite a bit. 50:17.020 --> 50:17.620 But you know what? 50:17.640 --> 50:21.820 Even 400 gig, we have, we have, that doesn't even come close. 50:21.920 --> 50:24.800 That doesn't even touch us or hurt us, so download to your heart's condense. 50:24.860 --> 50:25.340 That's fine. 50:25.820 --> 50:27.620 If we need more, we'll buy more. 50:28.340 --> 50:31.440 Bandwidth is a replaceable, renewable source. 50:31.440 --> 50:38.140 So, not cheap, but, you know, we'll do what we've got to do to keep the, keep the information flowing. 50:38.140 --> 50:43.460 Binrev matches no search results, and so does Binary Revolution. 50:44.100 --> 50:45.240 Oh, man. 50:45.360 --> 50:46.740 iTunes, we're getting gypped. 50:46.820 --> 50:48.760 Wait a minute, this guy said he got us off iTunes, though. 50:49.300 --> 50:50.200 Yeah, I'm looking for you. 50:50.400 --> 50:51.660 What about just plain old Binary? 50:53.800 --> 50:54.140 Okay. 50:54.140 --> 50:56.660 Man, what's up, iTunes? 50:56.840 --> 50:59.720 You trying to, kind of, be disrespected by Apple? 51:00.700 --> 51:04.140 Actually, Binary brings up Binary Wrangler Podcast. 51:04.660 --> 51:05.740 It's about technology. 51:07.120 --> 51:08.540 What the hell is that? 51:08.820 --> 51:10.360 I'm subscribing right now. 51:11.060 --> 51:13.840 All right, you can give us a review on that in an upcoming episode or something. 51:14.580 --> 51:19.340 All right, anyway, let's do a, let's do a quick show and tell, because we're fast running out of time here. 51:20.300 --> 51:21.660 Good, because we have no content. 51:22.220 --> 51:25.520 Well, I got a couple reviews, a couple CMS reviews. 51:26.460 --> 51:34.260 Did some more research for binrevmeetings.com, and I got a couple content management systems that I wanted to talk about, because, well, they suck. 51:35.000 --> 51:39.360 So, but we'll come back to that in a second. 51:39.360 --> 51:50.020 And for show and tell this week, I really don't have a whole lot, because most of my show and tell has been private, real-life stuff that I cannot disclose on the show right now, 51:50.080 --> 51:55.120 because certain people listen to this show, and I can't let this information get out quite yet. 51:55.840 --> 52:02.220 So, however, I can mention that I have my Binary Revolution meeting coming up this Friday. 52:02.220 --> 52:06.420 Okay, so kind of looking ahead, preparing for that, speaking of binrevmeetings. 52:07.320 --> 52:08.280 How about you, Droops? 52:08.300 --> 52:09.680 What do you got for show and tell there, buddy? 52:10.720 --> 52:17.020 Well, buddy, I just went on a road trip to visit Fizone, or Fizzone, as he likes to say. 52:17.020 --> 52:22.520 And we filmed a little bit for Infonomicon TV, the next episode. 52:23.740 --> 52:32.080 I'm installing Fedora Core 3 right now, because I bought a book on Linux, and that's for some frickin' silly certification. 52:32.620 --> 52:35.440 But it's all about Fedora, and I'm a Debian guy. 52:36.320 --> 52:39.860 And Red Hat uses a lot of different things, so I'm screwing around with that. 52:39.980 --> 52:43.380 And that's my new Athlon 64-bit processor I'm very excited about. 52:43.600 --> 52:44.080 Nice. 52:44.080 --> 52:50.120 Somebody sent me a video about lockpicking, and then they said that they didn't put any audio in it, 52:50.380 --> 52:53.500 so that I would have to talk over it, because they didn't want people to know who it was, 52:53.600 --> 52:55.660 because they didn't want people breaking in the, I don't know. 52:56.560 --> 53:03.240 And I also was looking at PDA Freak the other day, which is linked to off your front page, 53:03.380 --> 53:09.020 and it shows that your forums have a pocket PC version, which is really kind of cool. 53:09.340 --> 53:10.860 And I said, well, I can do that. 53:10.860 --> 53:18.700 So I've been working on some WML and PHP for the WML, so I don't have to update three sites at once. 53:18.780 --> 53:22.400 But we now have a cell phone version with the WML. 53:22.520 --> 53:23.480 We have a PDA version. 53:23.540 --> 53:24.820 We have a regular version of the site. 53:25.420 --> 53:31.280 And I'm trying to convert everything over to PHP, which is kind of a content management system. 53:31.280 --> 53:36.600 Yeah, and you know, you're writing your own, which is great. 53:36.820 --> 53:39.440 And, you know, when you do that, you have full control. 53:39.580 --> 53:41.060 You know exactly where everything's at. 53:42.300 --> 53:45.040 But it's more time-consuming, quite frankly. 53:45.300 --> 53:46.300 But I'm learning a little bit. 53:46.460 --> 53:47.020 Oh, absolutely. 53:47.180 --> 53:50.260 It's definitely the best way to go if you can afford the time to do it. 53:50.260 --> 53:57.260 But the reason that we have that over at BinRev now is because when we upgraded to the newest version of Envision Powerboard, 53:57.340 --> 54:01.720 which is just the forums that have that, it came built in with it. 54:01.740 --> 54:04.160 They already have a module that will out-export that. 54:04.920 --> 54:07.900 I still think it would be tough reading, but it's kind of cool that it's there. 54:07.920 --> 54:08.820 I actually did try it. 54:08.840 --> 54:10.060 It's not so awful bad. 54:10.060 --> 54:19.900 But there's just so much information in those forums that you could still spend hours and hours on the PDA finding and reading all the cool stuff out there. 54:19.980 --> 54:21.680 But it is cool to have it. 54:22.920 --> 54:31.060 But, yeah, as far as content management systems, I guess we'll segue into the main topic, which is a couple reviews here, a couple mini reviews. 54:31.060 --> 54:37.560 Actually, these are full reviews, I guess, of a couple different content management systems that I've been trying out lately. 54:37.560 --> 54:44.980 Again, the best case scenario is to write your own stuff from scratch, exactly like Droops is doing over there with Infonomicon.org. 54:45.040 --> 54:47.080 Are we pimping it enough for you, by the way, during the show? 54:48.420 --> 54:49.640 Infonomicon.org, you mean? 54:49.800 --> 54:51.820 Yes, Infonomicon.org. 54:51.880 --> 54:55.160 Are we giving it enough airtime, the airtime that it so richly deserves? 54:55.680 --> 54:58.100 I-N-F-O-N-O-M-I-C-O-N. 55:00.860 --> 55:02.300 Some people can't spell it. 55:02.440 --> 55:03.520 I got you right. 55:04.640 --> 55:04.960 Infonomicon. 55:05.380 --> 55:05.500 Okay. 55:07.560 --> 55:12.360 Writing your own stuff is always the best way to go, but we don't always have the time to do that. 55:13.760 --> 55:25.880 So, what I do with a lot of our different projects is find different content management systems or other pieces of software that may exist and use them instead. 55:26.080 --> 55:27.980 And there's absolutely nothing wrong with it. 55:27.980 --> 55:32.400 For example, over on StankDog.com, the very early versions. 55:32.540 --> 55:33.000 And you know what? 55:33.180 --> 55:37.520 Somebody could probably go to Archive.org now and I'd be horribly embarrassed at how bad it looked. 55:38.560 --> 55:45.360 I went over there and I wrote just raw HTML stuff to get it started and just putting up, you know, silly things. 55:45.360 --> 55:53.860 Actually, Binrev started over on there before we gave it its own dedicated site and spun it off because, well, it was, yeah, anyway. 55:54.860 --> 55:56.060 Reasons do not matter. 55:56.060 --> 56:09.920 But it was all plain HTML and even Binrev, the actual Binrev.com pages and site, we do have a couple parts of it that are in PHP to make it easier for us, stuff relating to the radio show and whatnot. 56:09.920 --> 56:17.000 But most of the rest of it is still HTML based using a template that I have here locally and still monitor and maintain. 56:17.000 --> 56:28.500 But if you start doing that for the 10 plus sites that I have registered, if I had to write every one of those by hand and modify them all, it really becomes time consuming. 56:28.720 --> 56:31.080 So content management systems can be your friend. 56:31.160 --> 56:36.260 There's nothing wrong with using them as long as you keep them updated as best you can. 56:36.260 --> 56:40.040 And as long as they serve your purpose, most importantly. 56:40.040 --> 56:42.780 For example, I finally switched. 56:42.880 --> 56:44.800 I tried a couple different on StagDog.com. 56:44.880 --> 56:46.340 I tried GeekLog at one time. 56:46.880 --> 56:49.620 It kind of got the job done, but it wasn't very secure. 56:50.480 --> 56:54.180 And I had a couple little annoyances with the interface and the way it worked. 56:54.280 --> 56:55.920 It wasn't very flexible, I didn't think. 56:56.060 --> 56:59.240 So I ended up switching to Mambo, which is what I'm using now. 56:59.280 --> 57:01.020 And I did a whole episode on Mambo. 57:01.920 --> 57:03.720 And I'm still very happy with that. 57:03.720 --> 57:06.560 So that one's going to be, I'm going to keep that one for a while, I think. 57:06.560 --> 57:11.540 And it's so flexible and customizable that you can make it look any way that you want. 57:12.140 --> 57:20.880 Yeah, you can look at most content management sites, especially anything that's PHP nuke, post nuke, any of the nukes, any of the nuke knockoffs. 57:20.960 --> 57:23.860 You can tell they're all cookie cutter sites. 57:23.960 --> 57:24.980 They all look very similar. 57:25.760 --> 57:26.560 But you know what? 57:26.580 --> 57:31.660 If they're flexible enough, you can start modifying them, twisting them around a little bit, skinning them, et cetera, et cetera. 57:31.660 --> 57:43.540 So if you just use their content management systems that are usually, I prefer stuff that's PHP, PHP in MySQL or PHP in Postgres or something along those lines. 57:43.640 --> 57:45.480 I know there's some that are written in Perl also. 57:46.300 --> 57:51.620 I don't think I like those as much, not for a content management system anyway, but that's a choice, personal preference, I guess. 57:51.620 --> 57:54.900 So go out there. 57:54.980 --> 58:00.220 There's a great site called CMS Matrix, C-M-S-M-A-T-R-I-X. 58:00.280 --> 58:02.080 I think it's .org, I want to say. 58:02.780 --> 58:04.000 It might be .com, I don't remember. 58:04.640 --> 58:08.740 That'll give you a comparison of all the different CMSs or at least quite a few of them. 58:08.760 --> 58:10.560 And there are a lot of them out there. 58:10.560 --> 58:17.140 And kind of show you some of the features that each one of them had. 58:17.200 --> 58:21.600 And we'll even let you compare them or search by features to find out which ones might meet your needs. 58:22.160 --> 58:24.080 And that's a very valuable tool. 58:25.380 --> 58:32.360 And to get into a couple specific ones here, I went out there and found a couple of them that were supposed to meet the needs that I had. 58:32.360 --> 58:39.540 So I was looking for some sort of content management system for the BinRev Meetings site. 58:40.320 --> 58:47.140 And I was going to put it on meetings.binrev.com and then give everybody a subdomain for their NPA. 58:47.500 --> 58:51.120 So, for example, our inaugural meeting is 561, which is down here in South Florida. 58:52.260 --> 58:59.240 Well, one of the things I wanted to do and still will be doing is providing free hosting for anyone who starts a meeting up. 58:59.240 --> 59:08.280 We'll give them a place to store their files and if they want to do radio, if they want to do video, if they want to post links, if they want to post presentations, things like that. 59:08.900 --> 59:12.580 But I wanted to do it in such a way that I didn't have to install one for every site. 59:12.580 --> 59:23.840 I wanted to be able to install one content management system and have it work for each individual site, yet at the same time providing flexibility and customizations for each one of those sites. 59:23.840 --> 59:38.220 So one install, one database, few modifications, which might require a few more tables in said databases, but for the most part have a centralized system where it's easy to just add a new subdomain. 59:38.220 --> 59:42.860 Well, there are a couple that claim to do that. 59:43.220 --> 59:48.240 PHP Nuke, Post Nuke, the Nuke Knockoffs all claim to support that. 59:49.500 --> 59:56.380 And I tried one of them that I'd never tried before, giving it a shot, because I'm staying away from Post Nuke, PHP Nuke. 59:56.440 --> 59:57.720 All of them are horribly insecure. 59:58.500 --> 01:00:00.340 Look on BugTrack all the time. 01:00:00.420 --> 01:00:03.360 There's constant vulnerabilities released for these things. 01:00:03.360 --> 01:00:06.340 And all the modules could have vulnerabilities in them. 01:00:06.380 --> 01:00:07.960 It gets kind of scary. 01:00:07.960 --> 01:00:10.800 So I just completely stay away from them myself. 01:00:13.740 --> 01:00:16.380 Have you ever used any of the PHP Nuke? 01:00:16.800 --> 01:00:19.080 Have you ever tried a content management system, Droops? 01:00:19.520 --> 01:00:20.560 I have not. 01:00:21.520 --> 01:00:22.520 I've used some. 01:00:22.960 --> 01:00:25.380 I've looked at other people that already had it set up. 01:00:25.380 --> 01:00:33.420 And it looks very, very handy and cool, but I have not tried to do that because I don't really care to yet. 01:00:34.180 --> 01:00:37.880 Yeah, well, and again, your best case scenario is certainly to write your own. 01:00:38.340 --> 01:00:39.340 Absolutely is. 01:00:39.820 --> 01:00:42.680 But, like, you know, what do they use over on Hacker Media? 01:00:42.820 --> 01:00:44.260 HackerMedia.net, a great site. 01:00:45.420 --> 01:00:50.980 They use some kind of blog or something content management system, I think. 01:00:50.980 --> 01:00:55.460 You know, and it works handy, and it fills the needs that they have for the site. 01:00:56.660 --> 01:01:01.480 You know, for the most part, you can look at a site and tell if it's got a content management system of some kind on it. 01:01:01.520 --> 01:01:06.620 They're pretty distinguishable if you haven't changed them from one of the default skins, you know. 01:01:09.600 --> 01:01:11.780 Well, I tried WordPress. 01:01:12.080 --> 01:01:12.540 There you go. 01:01:13.620 --> 01:01:16.460 So as long as it serves a purpose, there's nothing wrong with that. 01:01:16.500 --> 01:01:17.540 There's nothing wrong with doing it. 01:01:17.540 --> 01:01:20.960 And then maybe modify it if you want to add to it after the fact. 01:01:21.040 --> 01:01:22.820 It is all open source for the most part. 01:01:22.900 --> 01:01:23.860 Most of them are open source. 01:01:24.300 --> 01:01:25.420 You can modify the PHP. 01:01:25.640 --> 01:01:26.660 You can write your own modules. 01:01:27.400 --> 01:01:32.160 And some of the good ones have interfaces to easily write your own modules and add them very easily. 01:01:33.460 --> 01:01:39.980 And PHP nuke, post nuke are one of those where there's a lot of support outside a lot of modules that are already written, 01:01:40.080 --> 01:01:41.000 and you can write your own. 01:01:41.000 --> 01:01:45.860 Well, I've tried a knockoff, a spinoff of the nukes. 01:01:46.060 --> 01:01:47.800 We'll start referring to them, the nukes. 01:01:48.540 --> 01:01:50.760 And I use something called MaxDev. 01:01:50.980 --> 01:01:52.940 M-A-X-D-E-V. 01:01:53.020 --> 01:01:54.060 MaxDev CMS. 01:01:54.660 --> 01:01:57.380 And it is basically a knockoff of the nukes, 01:01:57.900 --> 01:02:00.060 except it supposedly is more secure. 01:02:01.340 --> 01:02:03.640 So I thought, okay, I'll give it a shot, 01:02:03.720 --> 01:02:08.520 because it was supposed to have multiple site support. 01:02:08.520 --> 01:02:11.440 Well, I'll come to that in a second. 01:02:12.860 --> 01:02:21.960 The modules themselves for MaxDev specifically is compatible with any of the PHP or post nuke modules. 01:02:22.080 --> 01:02:25.120 Anything that you see that someone has written for PHP or post nuke, 01:02:25.180 --> 01:02:29.900 any of the nukes, should work just as easily in MaxDev. 01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:31.040 It's designed that way. 01:02:31.120 --> 01:02:35.220 It's supposedly a more secure module. 01:02:35.220 --> 01:02:37.940 But, again, when you're getting code from individual modules, 01:02:38.040 --> 01:02:40.700 it's kind of like what we referred to earlier about open source. 01:02:41.200 --> 01:02:42.980 You've got to be able to trust that code. 01:02:43.620 --> 01:02:48.180 So, you know, I never blindly install a module until I've thoroughly tested it, 01:02:48.640 --> 01:02:51.960 looked through the code, maybe had someone else look through the code with me, 01:02:52.380 --> 01:02:55.880 make sure there's no funny business going on before I throw something like that on the site. 01:02:57.100 --> 01:02:59.540 Again, it's compatible with nuke modules, as I mentioned. 01:02:59.540 --> 01:03:02.700 And it has something called auto-theme support, 01:03:02.860 --> 01:03:05.440 which is some of the content management systems are doing this now. 01:03:06.220 --> 01:03:11.000 Auto-theme is kind of like a, gosh, I don't know how to describe it. 01:03:11.040 --> 01:03:13.240 It's kind of a waste, if you ask me. 01:03:13.780 --> 01:03:19.600 With cascading style sheets, you have so much control over naming different sections of your site 01:03:19.600 --> 01:03:21.300 and how that section is going to look. 01:03:21.860 --> 01:03:26.040 Then you tie that into your HTML to use that information. 01:03:26.040 --> 01:03:32.400 Well, auto-theme is a way to theme universally across different content management systems. 01:03:33.180 --> 01:03:38.600 So, if an auto-theme works for PHP nuke, post-nuke, it's going to work for MaxDev, etc., etc. 01:03:38.720 --> 01:03:47.400 Anything that supports the auto-theme, it's almost like, I guess if you want to think of it as a standardized skinning system. 01:03:47.520 --> 01:03:49.080 Well, I mean, that is what it is. 01:03:49.160 --> 01:03:50.920 It's a standardized skinning system. 01:03:50.920 --> 01:03:56.720 So, as long as your content management system supports it, you can go out there, do a search for auto-themes, 01:03:56.860 --> 01:03:58.660 and you will find them out there. 01:03:58.960 --> 01:04:01.640 Surprisingly, most of them are for sale. 01:04:01.740 --> 01:04:02.780 Most of them cost money. 01:04:03.680 --> 01:04:07.720 There's a couple out there that you can find for free, but most of them, they want money for them. 01:04:08.500 --> 01:04:14.340 And secondly, I had very mixed results with a lot of the ones that I tried. 01:04:14.340 --> 01:04:17.820 I was less than impressed with auto-theme. 01:04:17.900 --> 01:04:23.240 Now, I can't blame auto-theme or the developers of that, but it's probably a theme-by-theme basis. 01:04:23.380 --> 01:04:30.000 It was still overly complex for skinning, if you ask me, but nobody asked me, so I'll move on. 01:04:31.300 --> 01:04:37.220 The biggest reason that I chose this was, again, I mentioned before, for multiple sites. 01:04:37.220 --> 01:04:43.380 I want to be able to put in multiple sub-domains or just sub-directories for each person that wants to start a group. 01:04:44.300 --> 01:04:50.680 And, for example, that allows me to, if I want to post a reminder that everybody you're meeting is upcoming this Friday, 01:04:51.020 --> 01:04:57.000 I can post it in one spot on the database, and it propagates out to all of the other sub-sites. 01:04:57.160 --> 01:05:03.000 So, each individual site doesn't have to go in there and post a reminder all the time. 01:05:03.000 --> 01:05:07.080 We can have it automated so that I put it up a week ahead of time or something like that, 01:05:07.180 --> 01:05:12.180 and they don't have to worry about forgetting it or not having access or being on vacation or whatever the reason. 01:05:13.100 --> 01:05:18.720 While, at the same time, have local tables for them to add information that only affects their local meeting, 01:05:18.820 --> 01:05:23.780 like whether it's canceled or not, whether the directions have changed, what their plans are, 01:05:23.860 --> 01:05:27.340 what they're going to bring, things like that. 01:05:27.340 --> 01:05:32.960 Well, because MaxDev is a rip-off, a knock-off of the nukes, 01:05:33.340 --> 01:05:37.760 it supports the same multiple site module that the nukes have. 01:05:39.200 --> 01:05:40.960 It's horrible. 01:05:41.820 --> 01:05:46.740 It is absolutely the most horrible thing I've ever tried to use. 01:05:47.600 --> 01:05:51.020 There's no instructions. There's no information. 01:05:51.480 --> 01:05:53.060 It doesn't make sense. 01:05:53.060 --> 01:06:00.120 It's the only kind of support I could find in the different forums and stuff were just out and out wrong, 01:06:00.920 --> 01:06:02.700 just completely plain wrong. 01:06:03.180 --> 01:06:06.060 The module itself does not work as advertised. 01:06:06.360 --> 01:06:09.220 It does not do what you think it's supposed to do anyway. 01:06:10.240 --> 01:06:13.520 It will let you do sub-domains and kind of, sort of, make different sites, 01:06:13.640 --> 01:06:15.660 but you lose all flexibility. 01:06:16.540 --> 01:06:17.840 It's just a disaster. 01:06:17.840 --> 01:06:21.280 And if you want to see what we ended up coming up with, 01:06:21.780 --> 01:06:25.080 you can still go to meetings.binrav.com, 01:06:25.360 --> 01:06:28.140 which is where we initially were going to put the site. 01:06:29.080 --> 01:06:30.960 And it's still up there running. 01:06:31.100 --> 01:06:31.700 It's horrible. 01:06:31.860 --> 01:06:32.520 I don't like it. 01:06:32.560 --> 01:06:34.380 I cleaned it up as best I could. 01:06:35.300 --> 01:06:37.660 But we decided to go away from that. 01:06:37.660 --> 01:06:42.560 So, that leads me into my second review of the night. 01:06:42.760 --> 01:06:46.460 And this is another content management system called Drupal. 01:06:46.560 --> 01:06:48.220 D-R-U-P-A-L. 01:06:48.280 --> 01:06:50.020 Hey, maybe they should pay you royalties, Droops. 01:06:50.880 --> 01:06:53.760 Yes, I've actually copyrighted that name also or trademarked it. 01:06:53.900 --> 01:06:54.700 Drupal? Okay. 01:06:55.380 --> 01:06:56.080 Like RuPaul? 01:06:56.800 --> 01:06:57.940 Yeah, my hero. 01:06:58.460 --> 01:06:58.680 Yeah. 01:06:59.640 --> 01:07:00.460 Well, come on now. 01:07:00.480 --> 01:07:01.400 That's everybody's hero. 01:07:02.140 --> 01:07:05.200 Well, I'm not the one going through the operation there, buddy. 01:07:05.200 --> 01:07:07.280 Yeah, well, you know, I'm saving up. 01:07:07.340 --> 01:07:08.460 That's why I'm taking off a couple months. 01:07:08.520 --> 01:07:09.100 I need to recover. 01:07:11.700 --> 01:07:14.620 Drupal is the only other content management system I saw 01:07:14.620 --> 01:07:17.060 that was supported the same type of multiple sites. 01:07:18.100 --> 01:07:21.160 So, I decided to give Drupal a try. 01:07:21.340 --> 01:07:23.440 And not only that, I said, you know what? 01:07:23.660 --> 01:07:25.540 I'm going to move this off to a separate site. 01:07:25.980 --> 01:07:28.960 We registered and created binravmeetings.com. 01:07:29.520 --> 01:07:31.560 And I installed Drupal over on that. 01:07:31.620 --> 01:07:32.880 So, if you want to compare and contrast, 01:07:32.880 --> 01:07:36.220 you can see kind of the differences between the two content management systems. 01:07:36.840 --> 01:07:39.940 And we basically cut and paste most of the material over to Drupal. 01:07:40.340 --> 01:07:40.980 Or Drupal. 01:07:41.060 --> 01:07:41.820 I don't know how you pronounce it. 01:07:41.860 --> 01:07:42.820 Drupal or Drupal? 01:07:43.500 --> 01:07:43.900 Drupal. 01:07:44.160 --> 01:07:45.640 Because it sounds like RuPaul. 01:07:45.760 --> 01:07:47.020 So, you've got to say Drupal, right? 01:07:48.640 --> 01:07:51.940 It should be Drew Buddy, but I don't know why I didn't do that. 01:07:52.000 --> 01:07:53.080 Yeah, Drew Buddy. 01:07:53.080 --> 01:07:58.500 Well, Drupal is kind of cool because it's very, very object-oriented. 01:07:59.060 --> 01:08:04.360 And what I mean by that is everything in there is kind of treated the same, 01:08:04.440 --> 01:08:07.600 whether it's a news topic, a bulletin, a forum post. 01:08:08.140 --> 01:08:12.560 It's all treated very similarly, except that it's kind of tagged differently. 01:08:12.920 --> 01:08:16.940 It is like a field type, for lack of a better word. 01:08:16.940 --> 01:08:20.860 And you can say that this is a post, a type of forum post. 01:08:21.400 --> 01:08:24.520 And if so, what is the parent post of it? 01:08:24.660 --> 01:08:28.940 And what is the actual content of the text of the post, etc., etc.? 01:08:28.940 --> 01:08:34.040 And then the content management system knows that posts of this type go here. 01:08:34.380 --> 01:08:35.780 Posts of that type go there. 01:08:36.700 --> 01:08:38.360 So, it's very object-oriented. 01:08:38.520 --> 01:08:42.420 It treats everything the same, which is kind of good at the beginning. 01:08:42.580 --> 01:08:44.140 It's a very easy way to think of things. 01:08:44.140 --> 01:08:45.780 It gives you a lot of control and flexibility. 01:08:45.780 --> 01:08:50.000 It allowed me to go into the database on several things I had done 01:08:50.000 --> 01:08:55.040 and change the type directly in the database, change the fields themselves, 01:08:56.140 --> 01:08:58.360 which is probably something that you shouldn't be doing, 01:08:58.440 --> 01:08:59.980 especially in any kind of production environment. 01:09:00.140 --> 01:09:02.200 But since we were testing, I was doing some of that. 01:09:04.180 --> 01:09:07.200 And it has a very, very clean interface because of that. 01:09:07.540 --> 01:09:09.380 It knows where it stands with everything. 01:09:09.540 --> 01:09:12.120 It's very well designed out of the box. 01:09:12.120 --> 01:09:17.000 It's a great system to get up and running quickly and fast. 01:09:18.200 --> 01:09:21.300 So, as far as that goes, and it's very, very, very logical. 01:09:21.720 --> 01:09:23.340 So, it has all that going for it. 01:09:23.460 --> 01:09:26.120 It is an interesting and good content management system, 01:09:26.200 --> 01:09:28.520 if not the most feature-filled. 01:09:28.520 --> 01:09:32.440 Specifically, the forums. 01:09:32.580 --> 01:09:33.780 The forums are horrible. 01:09:34.780 --> 01:09:38.360 Unfortunately, the forums are one of those things that they really should have gone the extra mile 01:09:38.360 --> 01:09:42.560 to make a different forum, some different tables for the forums, 01:09:42.640 --> 01:09:43.620 and a little bit more functionality. 01:09:44.480 --> 01:09:51.400 Unfortunately, treating every object the same means that a forum post has very little flexibility on what you can do. 01:09:51.400 --> 01:09:53.300 It's difficult to make threads. 01:09:53.360 --> 01:09:54.060 It's not impossible. 01:09:54.240 --> 01:09:56.440 It's tricky to read and see the threads. 01:09:57.400 --> 01:09:58.400 They're not... 01:09:59.400 --> 01:10:01.900 It's difficult even to read on the screen. 01:10:02.440 --> 01:10:03.220 There's no quoting. 01:10:03.420 --> 01:10:04.560 There's no emoticons. 01:10:04.700 --> 01:10:05.400 There's no... 01:10:05.980 --> 01:10:08.500 None of the features that you would find on a normal forum. 01:10:08.640 --> 01:10:09.720 Well, that's not so bad. 01:10:09.820 --> 01:10:15.080 Not all content management systems have the full features of a real forum. 01:10:15.380 --> 01:10:17.140 But it should have a little bit more than this. 01:10:17.240 --> 01:10:19.680 So, the forums, I thought, failed miserably. 01:10:19.680 --> 01:10:25.260 And being that this site was for the meetings and it was going to give every individual meeting site their own forums, 01:10:25.500 --> 01:10:27.160 that was kind of important. 01:10:29.620 --> 01:10:30.600 Again, threading. 01:10:30.640 --> 01:10:33.060 It did not support threads, things like that. 01:10:33.320 --> 01:10:38.700 And it doesn't treat it any different than something that's a fact, something that's a news post. 01:10:38.780 --> 01:10:42.600 So, one of the problems we found was that you can post something to the forums 01:10:42.600 --> 01:10:44.620 and it would appear on the front page of the site. 01:10:44.620 --> 01:10:50.120 And we'd turn that off by default, but it still can be done by simply checking a box. 01:10:50.280 --> 01:10:57.600 And that could get really messy, whether by accident or by intentional malice, I guess, for lack of a better word. 01:10:57.600 --> 01:11:03.180 So, I don't think we're going to stick with Drupal either. 01:11:05.120 --> 01:11:08.140 So, Drup, do you want to write a content management system for us? 01:11:09.140 --> 01:11:12.700 Yeah, if you want a really, really basic one, I got it right here for you. 01:11:15.500 --> 01:11:19.780 What is yours written in and what does it do? 01:11:19.780 --> 01:11:23.140 It's not really that complicated. 01:11:23.400 --> 01:11:27.660 I've never used PHP, and I'm using PHP to do it. 01:11:28.060 --> 01:11:32.800 And it's just some text files, like I'm having a quotes page or like a show notes page. 01:11:32.840 --> 01:11:35.020 And you just type the text, add it in there. 01:11:35.700 --> 01:11:36.560 You're ready to go. 01:11:36.900 --> 01:11:42.100 And the PHP will pull it in the, what's not a frame, what's it called? 01:11:42.300 --> 01:11:42.660 Table. 01:11:43.540 --> 01:11:45.520 Into the correct table on the website. 01:11:45.640 --> 01:11:48.900 So, I can just update the quotes once and it updates it for everything. 01:11:48.900 --> 01:11:54.860 And with the PDA and the regular website, it just uses straight PHP. 01:11:55.780 --> 01:11:59.260 And with the wireless phone, it uses WML. 01:11:59.880 --> 01:12:08.380 And you have to just write it in PHP and tell it to recognize itself as WML and provide that information for the cell phone. 01:12:09.500 --> 01:12:15.300 And I don't actually have a cell phone that can get on the, I think it's a GPRS service, maybe. 01:12:16.040 --> 01:12:16.760 I don't know. 01:12:16.760 --> 01:12:18.120 But I don't have a cell phone that does that. 01:12:18.200 --> 01:12:18.760 I have an emulator. 01:12:19.480 --> 01:12:20.180 On the computer. 01:12:20.680 --> 01:12:20.820 Ooh. 01:12:21.620 --> 01:12:22.160 Uh-huh. 01:12:22.540 --> 01:12:28.720 Well, now you're pulling these from text files or you're actually pulling, are you pulling from like a MySQL database? 01:12:29.360 --> 01:12:30.280 I haven't done that. 01:12:30.340 --> 01:12:32.560 I was trying to get the PHP working and then I'm going to do that. 01:12:32.820 --> 01:12:33.700 Gotcha, gotcha. 01:12:33.760 --> 01:12:36.000 Well, then, you know, this is a great exercise to learn PHP. 01:12:36.980 --> 01:12:37.420 Oh, yeah. 01:12:37.580 --> 01:12:37.720 Absolutely. 01:12:37.720 --> 01:12:39.600 And then I'll figure out some MySQL. 01:12:39.600 --> 01:12:40.980 Right, absolutely. 01:12:40.980 --> 01:12:44.920 Yeah, PHP and MySQL work very well together. 01:12:45.080 --> 01:12:50.980 And that's one of the things I should go back on my reviews and mention is that, you know, you can get a lot of support. 01:12:50.980 --> 01:12:54.800 Different forums for the individual sites. 01:12:54.800 --> 01:12:55.100 Oh, yeah. 01:12:55.100 --> 01:12:58.820 But just for PHP in general, there's a lot of help out there. 01:12:58.820 --> 01:13:04.240 PHP's main official site has a lot of great information on it and MySQL site. 01:13:05.240 --> 01:13:14.660 Again, for a small site, if you're just working on a small project for your personal site, PHP, MySQL combination is great, gets the job done. 01:13:15.100 --> 01:13:23.020 If you're doing anything where you're going to do any kind of demanding logic or repetitive logic where you want stored procedures, where you want some more advanced functions, 01:13:23.360 --> 01:13:30.600 you definitely want to power it with Postgres and not MySQL or maybe move from MySQL to Postgres later on down the road. 01:13:30.600 --> 01:13:35.160 But, yeah, absolutely a good combination. 01:13:36.300 --> 01:13:36.900 So that's it. 01:13:37.280 --> 01:13:39.380 While you were talking, I was playing with the new iTunes. 01:13:39.640 --> 01:13:39.960 Right. 01:13:40.520 --> 01:13:43.480 There's the Binary Wrangler podcast, which has one. 01:13:44.100 --> 01:13:45.280 It's under the tech thing. 01:13:45.500 --> 01:13:49.880 There's a Revolution Digital podcast that is in Spanish. 01:13:51.200 --> 01:13:55.280 And there's Hacker Media, who has a really, really cool name. 01:13:55.380 --> 01:13:56.640 Like, people pick up on that name. 01:13:56.880 --> 01:13:57.280 Right. 01:13:57.500 --> 01:13:59.280 And you're included in their podcast feed. 01:13:59.280 --> 01:14:00.460 I figure that's how he got it. 01:14:01.360 --> 01:14:02.300 Uh-huh, yep. 01:14:02.520 --> 01:14:03.660 So say thanks to Kizzle. 01:14:04.220 --> 01:14:05.760 Yeah, that probably explains it. 01:14:05.840 --> 01:14:09.600 I think Kizzle has a feed with all of the different shows. 01:14:09.720 --> 01:14:15.260 I think any time you post a show on there, I believe that's what it does, yes. 01:14:16.500 --> 01:14:18.280 So, very cool, very cool. 01:14:18.360 --> 01:14:19.140 That explains that. 01:14:19.220 --> 01:14:22.440 Now, we've got to figure out how to get the BinRev main feed on there. 01:14:22.860 --> 01:14:23.960 You can actually add. 01:14:24.020 --> 01:14:25.380 I think it's on the front page of it. 01:14:25.620 --> 01:14:25.920 All right. 01:14:25.960 --> 01:14:27.200 Well, make it so, number one. 01:14:27.680 --> 01:14:28.300 Yes, sir. 01:14:28.720 --> 01:14:29.120 Buddy. 01:14:29.120 --> 01:14:29.160 Buddy. 01:14:29.160 --> 01:14:31.340 Thanks, buddy. 01:14:32.920 --> 01:14:33.400 Oh, man. 01:14:33.460 --> 01:14:35.980 What do I owe you, like, 30 or 40 bucks now by the end of the show? 01:14:36.520 --> 01:14:37.080 That's true. 01:14:37.240 --> 01:14:38.820 Well, just give me the t-shirt. 01:14:38.980 --> 01:14:39.940 Defcon will count it okay. 01:14:40.140 --> 01:14:40.540 All right. 01:14:40.620 --> 01:14:41.120 Hey, buddy. 01:14:41.160 --> 01:14:45.300 I want to see that t-shirt laying on the bed next to you when you wake up in the morning, 01:14:45.460 --> 01:14:45.740 sweetness. 01:14:45.740 --> 01:14:48.140 I just want to see you wearing the t-shirt I gave you. 01:14:49.500 --> 01:14:50.220 Oh, man. 01:14:50.260 --> 01:14:51.480 You're going to make me dig that up? 01:14:52.300 --> 01:14:53.300 I mean, dig it up. 01:14:53.360 --> 01:14:54.400 It should be top of the pile. 01:14:54.480 --> 01:14:56.600 I think it's lining the litter box. 01:14:56.660 --> 01:14:58.320 I'm not positive about that. 01:14:59.100 --> 01:14:59.400 Ooh. 01:15:00.260 --> 01:15:01.280 You're such an ass. 01:15:01.340 --> 01:15:01.800 I know. 01:15:03.680 --> 01:15:04.700 But I love you. 01:15:04.700 --> 01:15:07.720 I think I'm not talking to you anymore. 01:15:07.940 --> 01:15:12.020 We are so going to make sweet, sweet love down by the fire at Defcon, or down by the 01:15:12.020 --> 01:15:12.220 pool. 01:15:13.020 --> 01:15:14.880 Actually, my wife's coming, so probably not. 01:15:15.300 --> 01:15:15.920 Oh, man. 01:15:15.960 --> 01:15:16.500 She can watch. 01:15:17.520 --> 01:15:17.860 Okay. 01:15:18.080 --> 01:15:19.260 She can videotape it. 01:15:19.520 --> 01:15:23.860 Hey, maybe we can all wear yellow shirts down by the pool for QueerCon. 01:15:25.040 --> 01:15:25.440 Ooh. 01:15:25.680 --> 01:15:26.000 Ooh. 01:15:26.300 --> 01:15:30.100 Hey, maybe we can play an episode of Pwned on your wife, where we make her wear a yellow 01:15:30.100 --> 01:15:31.400 shirt and send her down to the pool. 01:15:32.580 --> 01:15:34.000 Oh, she'd be so mad at you. 01:15:35.040 --> 01:15:36.420 Yeah, she's always mad at me. 01:15:36.440 --> 01:15:36.880 It's okay. 01:15:38.160 --> 01:15:40.560 Yeah, I guess that goes with the territory, doesn't it? 01:15:41.560 --> 01:15:42.540 Something like that. 01:15:42.740 --> 01:15:43.240 All right. 01:15:43.240 --> 01:15:47.860 Well, I guess that's going to do it for this episode of Binary Revolution Radio. 01:15:48.640 --> 01:15:50.260 Again, content management systems. 01:15:50.420 --> 01:15:51.420 I know people... 01:15:51.420 --> 01:15:55.240 See, the thing is, when you see that on a site, they're usually very easily recognized 01:15:55.800 --> 01:15:59.380 You can see right away, oh, yep, this uses a content management system. 01:15:59.480 --> 01:16:00.600 Oh, yep, that uses a content... 01:16:00.600 --> 01:16:04.600 You can usually tell it right off the bat, but the reason is because people use a lot 01:16:04.600 --> 01:16:06.460 of the default scans or the common scans. 01:16:06.560 --> 01:16:07.840 They don't make changes to it. 01:16:08.580 --> 01:16:10.040 So that's one reason for that. 01:16:10.380 --> 01:16:11.800 You go and change it up a little bit. 01:16:11.840 --> 01:16:16.760 It makes it a little bit tougher to tell, and if you really, really get into it, you 01:16:16.760 --> 01:16:19.620 know, like, for example, Droops is getting ready to find out that he's going to have to 01:16:19.620 --> 01:16:25.000 write a lot of tables, a lot of MySQL stuff, and then modify his PHP code to read 01:16:25.000 --> 01:16:25.680 and write to it. 01:16:25.720 --> 01:16:30.700 He's going to have to consider in there secure coding so that you can't do SQL injection 01:16:30.700 --> 01:16:34.140 and all these other things to it, and he's going to have to go through all that, which 01:16:34.140 --> 01:16:34.900 is a good thing. 01:16:34.940 --> 01:16:40.420 Again, don't get me wrong, but there are people that have already done it, and there's a lot 01:16:40.420 --> 01:16:42.360 of content management systems out there. 01:16:42.360 --> 01:16:47.640 So there's nothing wrong with harnessing that power, maybe just for the underlying engine, 01:16:47.820 --> 01:16:52.240 and then modifying that as you need to meet your needs of your site. 01:16:52.240 --> 01:16:55.880 So there's nothing wrong with using them, just understand what you're getting yourself 01:16:55.880 --> 01:17:01.840 into, and keep them updated, because people own content management systems all the time. 01:17:02.440 --> 01:17:02.760 Yeah. 01:17:03.140 --> 01:17:04.200 All the time. 01:17:04.340 --> 01:17:10.520 So, closing out this week, I think I mentioned it earlier, but I'll remind people again that 01:17:10.520 --> 01:17:13.900 BinRev meetings are coming up this Friday. 01:17:14.120 --> 01:17:16.060 Last week was 2,600 meetings. 01:17:16.980 --> 01:17:17.940 I have a question, Stank. 01:17:18.080 --> 01:17:18.960 Sure, go ahead. 01:17:18.960 --> 01:17:21.300 Why do you keep referring this as BinRev? 01:17:21.440 --> 01:17:23.760 This is InfoNomicon Radio Episode 43. 01:17:24.200 --> 01:17:28.400 No, this is Binary Revolution Radio Episode 103. 01:17:29.080 --> 01:17:32.820 Not if I can record it, which I have, and put it up a little faster than you. 01:17:33.160 --> 01:17:34.660 Oh, that would be so evil. 01:17:35.800 --> 01:17:40.120 Actually, we should do that as a joke. 01:17:40.260 --> 01:17:41.360 We should do that as a joke. 01:17:41.460 --> 01:17:44.460 We should release it on both of our sites as whatever. 01:17:44.460 --> 01:17:51.060 I'll record an introduction for you, and you will use your introduction from this, and 01:17:51.060 --> 01:17:52.700 we'll both put them up. 01:17:53.980 --> 01:17:55.420 Sounds like a plan, buddy. 01:17:55.920 --> 01:17:56.700 All right, buddy. 01:17:57.700 --> 01:17:59.660 BinRev meeting is coming up this Friday. 01:18:00.040 --> 01:18:01.600 I know we've got some pretty cool plans. 01:18:01.600 --> 01:18:09.560 We're going to visit the Enigma machine at a local restaurant, fast food restaurant, a.k.a. 01:18:09.640 --> 01:18:10.200 McDonald's. 01:18:11.500 --> 01:18:13.900 I don't know how there's an Enigma machine at McDonald's. 01:18:13.960 --> 01:18:15.640 Don't ask, but we're going to visit that. 01:18:15.640 --> 01:18:26.020 And shouts this week, I guess I'll do my corny shout-outs and shout-out all of the men and 01:18:26.020 --> 01:18:27.120 women of the armed forces. 01:18:27.460 --> 01:18:31.880 You know, this is, we're recording this on the 4th of July, which, yes, that's technically 01:18:31.880 --> 01:18:37.320 it's a celebration of our independence, our declaring independence and becoming a free 01:18:37.320 --> 01:18:38.800 country, the United States of America. 01:18:38.800 --> 01:18:44.380 But you know what, the way that that happens and the way we arrive at a place like that 01:18:44.380 --> 01:18:51.320 is because we have to stand up and fight for our freedom, and I, for one, appreciate the 01:18:51.320 --> 01:18:57.140 people that are out there doing that to give me my freedom and allowing me to do this crappy 01:18:57.140 --> 01:18:58.340 radio show every week. 01:18:58.500 --> 01:19:03.220 So my shouts go to them, and I think that's going to be it for me as far as shouts go. 01:19:03.300 --> 01:19:04.060 Droops, what do you got? 01:19:05.020 --> 01:19:08.780 Well, I have shouts to you for the honor of being on this wonderful professional show. 01:19:08.800 --> 01:19:11.860 Oh, and I forgot shouts to Bubba Hacks, too. 01:19:12.380 --> 01:19:14.160 And I didn't know what I was getting into. 01:19:14.800 --> 01:19:18.100 Like, Stank talks to you for like an hour and a half before the show, so you do it exactly 01:19:18.100 --> 01:19:19.000 the way he wants it. 01:19:19.940 --> 01:19:21.840 And like, my guest, I'm like, hey, are you there? 01:19:21.900 --> 01:19:22.660 And they say, yes. 01:19:22.680 --> 01:19:23.400 And I say, let's go. 01:19:25.400 --> 01:19:29.400 I was trying to take a drink, and you made me start choking on my iced tea when you said 01:19:29.400 --> 01:19:29.720 that. 01:19:31.400 --> 01:19:32.180 Yes, I am. 01:19:32.340 --> 01:19:32.740 I am. 01:19:32.740 --> 01:19:37.200 Shouts to Fizzone, because he's going to listen to this thing live, and he's going to say, 01:19:37.240 --> 01:19:37.780 oh, that's awesome. 01:19:37.780 --> 01:19:38.660 My name's on the show. 01:19:38.800 --> 01:19:41.320 And shouts to the guy who sent me the lockpicking segment. 01:19:42.440 --> 01:19:44.700 And I think that's about it. 01:19:44.760 --> 01:19:46.740 Shouts to Obfuscated, because he's jealous now. 01:19:47.180 --> 01:19:48.740 Yeah, how is Obfuscated, by the way? 01:19:49.560 --> 01:19:51.840 Well, actually, we recorded a little video the other day. 01:19:52.280 --> 01:19:53.900 We went and visited and hung out. 01:19:54.200 --> 01:19:55.760 Bow, chicka, bow, bow. 01:19:56.500 --> 01:19:56.860 Yeah. 01:19:57.340 --> 01:20:01.260 Actually, we had him in the back of the car and drove around Baton Rouge, like with him in 01:20:01.260 --> 01:20:01.620 the trunk. 01:20:01.720 --> 01:20:02.300 It was a good time. 01:20:02.300 --> 01:20:03.800 Oh, really? 01:20:05.080 --> 01:20:06.040 All righty, then. 01:20:06.620 --> 01:20:08.100 All right, well, shouts to Fizzone. 01:20:08.180 --> 01:20:09.020 I'll back that up. 01:20:09.520 --> 01:20:11.780 Fizzone, in the hizzy for shizzy. 01:20:12.300 --> 01:20:13.980 Shouts to Fizzone if you're listening live. 01:20:13.980 --> 01:20:18.200 If you're not listening live, Fizzone, I hereby revoke my shouts. 01:20:18.260 --> 01:20:18.720 How about that? 01:20:19.760 --> 01:20:20.360 Uh-huh. 01:20:20.560 --> 01:20:21.020 Uh-huh. 01:20:21.100 --> 01:20:22.840 Let's see if Fizzone is listening live. 01:20:23.260 --> 01:20:24.880 I'm going to check in tomorrow and see. 01:20:26.380 --> 01:20:28.380 Yeah, and shouts to Bubba Hacks, of course. 01:20:28.380 --> 01:20:35.420 I think, let's see, side of the week, I think we've already beaten this dead horse into the 01:20:35.420 --> 01:20:40.640 ground, our side of the week of infonomicon.org, but I'm not going to make that our side of 01:20:40.640 --> 01:20:40.880 the week. 01:20:40.940 --> 01:20:42.420 We've already used that like 20 times. 01:20:42.520 --> 01:20:46.460 We'll pimp it in the show like we've already done, but I'm going to make my official side 01:20:46.460 --> 01:20:47.420 of the week Doug TV. 01:20:48.220 --> 01:20:52.160 Doug TV just came out with a new episode, which is his footage from DEF CON last year, which 01:20:52.160 --> 01:20:53.440 is hilarious stuff. 01:20:54.000 --> 01:20:55.660 So go check out Doug TV. 01:20:55.660 --> 01:21:02.400 And for infonomicon episode 43, our side of the week is BinRev.com. 01:21:03.480 --> 01:21:04.400 Shut up. 01:21:05.020 --> 01:21:06.260 Oh, okay. 01:21:06.680 --> 01:21:09.460 And, all right, so that's what we're going to have to do now. 01:21:09.500 --> 01:21:10.020 We'll take turns. 01:21:10.160 --> 01:21:15.340 So if you're listening to Binary Revolution Radio episode 103, you can email us, if you 01:21:15.340 --> 01:21:19.520 have any feedback on the show, to radio at BinRev.com. 01:21:22.360 --> 01:21:22.840 But... 01:21:22.840 --> 01:21:27.860 If you're listening to Infonomicon episode 43, you can, of course, email me at droops at 01:21:27.860 --> 01:21:29.260 infonomicon.org. 01:21:29.660 --> 01:21:34.580 And supposedly, you could email me at droops at BinRev.com, but that never came true. 01:21:34.660 --> 01:21:35.160 Stink lied. 01:21:35.900 --> 01:21:36.440 That's not... 01:21:36.440 --> 01:21:36.680 What? 01:21:36.820 --> 01:21:37.800 We never got that going? 01:21:38.600 --> 01:21:39.200 I don't know. 01:21:39.300 --> 01:21:40.520 I send a test to it every once in a while. 01:21:40.580 --> 01:21:40.980 It never works. 01:21:41.400 --> 01:21:44.660 Oh, well, as soon as we're done hanging up or recording the show, I'll do it while you're 01:21:44.660 --> 01:21:45.380 on the phone with me. 01:21:46.220 --> 01:21:46.640 All right. 01:21:46.640 --> 01:21:47.420 Thank you, Stinky. 01:21:47.720 --> 01:21:52.820 And our closing music on Binary Revolution Radio tonight is Zorro featuring Baha Media, 01:21:53.700 --> 01:21:55.280 and it's a track called Confess. 01:21:55.340 --> 01:21:58.320 I said I was going to close with this last week, and then Zorro gave us a little freestyle 01:21:58.320 --> 01:22:00.240 action, which was kind of cool. 01:22:00.340 --> 01:22:01.780 So I'm going to close with that this week. 01:22:02.960 --> 01:22:04.800 And let's see. 01:22:04.840 --> 01:22:05.660 Anything else, droops? 01:22:06.640 --> 01:22:07.780 That's about all I got, buddy. 01:22:08.180 --> 01:22:08.460 All right. 01:22:08.520 --> 01:22:15.640 Next week on Binary Revolution Radio, episode 104 is our two-year anniversary special. 01:22:15.820 --> 01:22:22.060 52 weeks, and then 52 more weeks brings us to 104 episodes. 01:22:22.460 --> 01:22:25.260 It will be our two-year special anniversary special. 01:22:26.060 --> 01:22:26.340 Wait a minute. 01:22:26.380 --> 01:22:26.720 What was it? 01:22:26.780 --> 01:22:29.400 What did you call an ass-tastic or something like that? 01:22:29.460 --> 01:22:30.200 Ass-tastic. 01:22:30.460 --> 01:22:31.560 Can I get Cotton on the show? 01:22:32.640 --> 01:22:33.120 Oh, yeah. 01:22:33.320 --> 01:22:34.300 Because he was pretty good stuff. 01:22:34.300 --> 01:22:35.020 You can stay home. 01:22:35.020 --> 01:22:36.560 But Cotton, I'll let Cotton be on the show. 01:22:36.740 --> 01:22:37.380 Maybe, you know what? 01:22:37.400 --> 01:22:39.140 I'm going to scrap this whole episode and get Cotton on. 01:22:39.980 --> 01:22:41.180 Let me get it for you. 01:22:42.980 --> 01:22:43.660 All right. 01:22:43.840 --> 01:22:44.880 So, yeah, make sure. 01:22:44.880 --> 01:22:45.940 He'll give you a little Cotton penis. 01:22:46.260 --> 01:22:46.960 I bet he will. 01:22:47.560 --> 01:22:49.360 Two-year anniversary special. 01:22:49.900 --> 01:22:51.140 Lots of surprise appearances. 01:22:51.360 --> 01:22:53.540 Lots of voices, blasts from the past. 01:22:54.260 --> 01:22:55.600 Some of the funniest outtakes. 01:22:55.800 --> 01:22:57.440 You'll cry yourself laughing. 01:22:57.560 --> 01:22:58.560 Maybe not, but I will. 01:22:58.680 --> 01:22:59.800 So that's really all that matters. 01:23:00.560 --> 01:23:04.060 And probably the biggest announcement we've ever had on the show. 01:23:04.060 --> 01:23:08.480 So make sure you listen to episode 104 live. 01:23:08.640 --> 01:23:13.060 Listen to the stream live next week so you don't hear it after the fact. 01:23:13.200 --> 01:23:16.220 Hear it in the forums or hear it when you download it. 01:23:16.340 --> 01:23:17.620 It'll be all ruined for you. 01:23:17.780 --> 01:23:20.800 So make sure you tune in for that. 01:23:20.800 --> 01:23:26.100 But until then, droops, I think we should tell them that we will see them next week. 01:23:26.560 --> 01:23:28.040 Same hack time. 01:23:28.840 --> 01:23:30.280 Same hack channel. 01:23:30.840 --> 01:23:32.160 And we're Mickey Finn. 01:23:32.160 --> 01:24:00.960 I confess to going mad, confess to thinking mad, confess about how to live my life, put the system between me and death. 01:24:00.960 --> 01:24:05.920 No rest for the weary, confess to being teary, confess to study social theory. 01:24:06.540 --> 01:24:11.240 Paranoid, don't like when people near me, always for the people, I try to do my best. 01:24:11.800 --> 01:24:13.960 Born in the struggle and I never had no rest. 01:24:14.240 --> 01:24:17.260 I used to boost the cars and now I want to shoot the stars. 01:24:17.900 --> 01:24:20.000 I confess, I want it level. 01:24:20.380 --> 01:24:21.760 I confess that I'm a rebel. 01:24:21.760 --> 01:24:26.760 Dreams of revolution, I confess to having several, confess to having several. 01:24:26.760 --> 01:24:51.460 I confess, I hate the rich. 01:24:51.960 --> 01:24:53.620 I confess, I hate the snitch. 01:24:53.620 --> 01:24:55.920 No rest when you see what they leave us with. 01:24:56.320 --> 01:24:57.700 I confess to socialists. 01:24:58.080 --> 01:24:59.420 I confess to raised fists. 01:24:59.800 --> 01:25:01.060 I confess to atheists. 01:25:01.900 --> 01:25:03.380 I confess to studyism. 01:25:03.760 --> 01:25:05.620 I confess to a good rhythm. 01:25:06.180 --> 01:25:07.440 I confess to feminism. 01:25:07.980 --> 01:25:10.000 Optimists, kill the bitter end. 01:25:10.380 --> 01:25:12.880 Kill the fascists, rise up, feel American. 01:25:13.220 --> 01:25:14.600 I confess to why and when. 01:25:15.020 --> 01:25:17.180 I confess to hating human vultures. 01:25:17.180 --> 01:25:20.040 Confessing that I hate this pop culture. 01:25:20.040 --> 01:25:22.700 I'm confessing that I hate this pop culture. 01:25:22.700 --> 01:25:28.080 I confess, I access the import of your THO. 01:25:32.700 --> 01:25:37.340 I confess, I confess, I always be my son. 01:25:37.340 --> 01:25:42.840 If I confess, I confess, I confess, I� vultures. 01:25:42.840 --> 01:25:48.100 I confess, but that I confess. 01:25:48.100 --> 01:26:05.760 I'm up in this piece 01:26:18.100 --> 01:26:48.080 I'm up in this piece