WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:07.740 This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers 00:07.740 --> 00:12.640 I see in binary, I speak source code 00:12.640 --> 00:16.480 Step on my toes, I'll post a million jpegs with you in a fag pose 00:16.480 --> 00:19.120 In your digital stance, getting firewalls ho 00:19.120 --> 00:21.660 Cause I'm riding the net in my six-fold 00:21.660 --> 00:23.440 I was a dick with my 56 00:23.440 --> 00:26.460 Now with my cable, I'm able to get that stable 00:26.460 --> 00:28.740 On the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo 00:28.740 --> 00:32.460 On the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm a hero 00:32.460 --> 00:35.120 In a flash, I'll screw you on burning Dreamcast 00:35.120 --> 00:38.380 You need some ISO? Let me through my hard drive rifle 00:38.380 --> 00:40.400 Our exchange you could never stifle 00:40.400 --> 00:43.540 In a digital hood, you just caught the love bug 00:43.540 --> 00:47.560 I bootlegged your CD, I carved the fight between Un and Jay-Z 00:47.560 --> 00:49.780 Cause CG, it's all gonna be free 00:49.780 --> 00:52.280 Whether we take it by force or we take it night free 00:52.280 --> 00:56.300 You feel that rattle in your bones when I tell you we just packed out Jones 00:56.300 --> 00:58.440 And NASDAQ leaves your fight on your back 00:58.440 --> 01:00.740 Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack 01:00.740 --> 01:03.580 Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack 01:03.580 --> 01:06.440 This is dedicated to the hackers and the crew 01:06.440 --> 01:11.520 They're real code, source code, ISO, RAM, SIF, SIF 01:11.520 --> 01:18.660 Good afternoon and welcome to Binary Revolution Radio episode 113 for September 13th, 2005 01:18.660 --> 01:20.800 I'm Strom Carlson 01:20.800 --> 01:23.340 I'm Black Ratchet and we have two guests this week 01:23.340 --> 01:26.060 Koresh and the Kid from Boston 2600 01:26.060 --> 01:26.940 Say hi folks 01:26.940 --> 01:27.880 Woo! 01:29.320 --> 01:30.300 Hi folks 01:30.300 --> 01:32.900 Not you Strom, go away 01:32.900 --> 01:37.900 This is a historical moment, we have four people on the show 01:37.900 --> 01:42.220 This just shatters our old record of three 01:42.220 --> 01:44.060 Let me get out the noisemaker 01:44.060 --> 01:48.900 Yay, I just think we should have some lackluster clapping or something 01:48.900 --> 01:51.540 Yay! 01:51.540 --> 01:51.840 Yay! 01:51.840 --> 01:52.380 That works 01:52.380 --> 01:55.520 We're cool, we're awesome, four people 01:55.520 --> 01:58.980 And if we ever had the column line, we might be able to get five 01:58.980 --> 02:00.960 But the column line's broke, so ha ha 02:00.960 --> 02:01.160 Yeah 02:01.160 --> 02:06.200 Solely moving toward our live show, which will happen eventually 02:06.200 --> 02:07.240 Ooh 02:07.240 --> 02:09.100 Yeah, we're going to have a live show 02:09.100 --> 02:10.500 Don't you guys want to do that? 02:11.740 --> 02:14.480 We'll be taking columns on our live show, so it's cool 02:14.480 --> 02:16.420 Anyway 02:16.420 --> 02:17.960 I'll probably get the column during that one 02:17.960 --> 02:20.540 Yeah, so we'll get a prank called on our show 02:20.540 --> 02:21.880 It'll be like Freak Factor probably 02:21.880 --> 02:24.000 And everyone's worst nightmares will be realized 02:24.000 --> 02:28.480 No, what we'll do is I'll have a set up so I can screen the callers before we bring them on the show 02:28.480 --> 02:29.840 Wow, aren't we getting fancy? 02:30.160 --> 02:30.380 Yes 02:30.380 --> 02:30.980 Wow 02:30.980 --> 02:33.300 We're better than off the hook 02:33.300 --> 02:34.880 You can give away free Porsche 02:34.880 --> 02:36.360 Even Stern doesn't have that 02:36.360 --> 02:37.060 Yeah 02:37.060 --> 02:38.440 What are we giving away? Free cat sex? 02:40.260 --> 02:42.520 That works too, and you can cat sex in a Porsche 02:42.520 --> 02:43.620 But the Porsche is the draw 02:43.620 --> 02:44.640 Ah, yeah 02:44.640 --> 02:47.780 Come for the Porsche, stay for the cat sex 02:47.780 --> 02:48.500 Exactly 02:48.500 --> 02:53.340 All right, well, this is a bit of a thing that Strank used to do 02:53.340 --> 02:55.520 And I feel it's kind of important 02:55.520 --> 02:59.220 And I think we used to have a moment of silence for September 11th 02:59.220 --> 03:00.620 And I really should have done this last week 03:00.620 --> 03:02.660 But I'm doing it this week instead 03:02.660 --> 03:05.400 So we just think about all the stuff that goes down 03:05.400 --> 03:06.620 And everything that happened that day 03:06.620 --> 03:14.480 All right 03:14.480 --> 03:16.200 Now that that's out of the way 03:16.200 --> 03:19.980 So, I think we should go straight into the email 03:19.980 --> 03:24.700 Actually, I think we should let the kid and Buck Rogers introduce themselves 03:24.700 --> 03:26.460 So, who the hell are you guys? 03:27.240 --> 03:28.480 Who aren't we, really? 03:28.780 --> 03:29.440 Who aren't you? 03:31.940 --> 03:33.380 We'll start with you 03:33.380 --> 03:36.960 So, you're both my... 03:36.960 --> 03:38.000 You both know me 03:38.000 --> 03:39.360 You're both from Boston 2600 03:39.360 --> 03:40.360 That's true 03:40.360 --> 03:41.400 That's correct 03:41.400 --> 03:43.320 You're both in the Boston area 03:43.320 --> 03:44.200 Mm-hmm 03:44.200 --> 03:46.540 Yeah, and the vicinity somewhere 03:46.540 --> 03:48.060 We don't want to get too specific 03:48.060 --> 03:50.280 You know, for security reasons 03:50.280 --> 03:51.360 But, yeah, yeah 03:51.360 --> 03:52.740 We enjoy the Boston area 03:52.740 --> 03:54.080 Sometimes 03:54.080 --> 03:54.480 All right 03:54.480 --> 03:55.220 Sometimes 03:55.220 --> 03:58.080 Well, yeah, it does have its drawbacks every once in a while 03:58.080 --> 03:59.460 It's really what I do 03:59.460 --> 04:01.180 You know, you can only enjoy so much of the time 04:01.180 --> 04:03.240 Yes, they're both cool 04:03.240 --> 04:04.060 And they're both friends with me 04:04.060 --> 04:04.900 And that's how you get on the show 04:04.900 --> 04:05.900 Because you've got to be friends with me 04:05.900 --> 04:06.460 Yeah 04:06.460 --> 04:08.980 There are only so many overflowing sewers 04:08.980 --> 04:10.700 You can handle in Boston, I think 04:10.700 --> 04:13.300 The sewers aren't overflowing 04:13.300 --> 04:13.920 We're actually... 04:13.920 --> 04:17.240 We just had a bit of a wildfire today, actually 04:17.240 --> 04:19.160 Right about down the street from me 04:19.160 --> 04:24.160 Because of the sheer lack of rain that we haven't had 04:24.160 --> 04:26.780 And that's always exciting 04:26.780 --> 04:30.240 So, anyway, now we can actually go into the email theme, so... 04:30.240 --> 04:50.400 All right 04:50.400 --> 04:52.900 Our first email this week is from DeBeave 04:52.900 --> 04:54.420 From Telefreak.org 04:54.420 --> 04:58.540 And show 110, episode 110, asterisk rehash part 1, Roth 04:58.540 --> 05:02.500 During the show, there was a bit of talk about the G729 codec and licensing 05:02.500 --> 05:06.360 I just wanted to point out that with asterisk, you can choose G729 05:06.360 --> 05:10.200 For non-commercial and experimental purposes for free 05:10.200 --> 05:12.380 For more information, check 05:12.380 --> 05:22.060 Here's a tiny URL that I created for that 05:22.060 --> 05:23.120 Tinyurl.com 05:23.120 --> 05:29.340 And I've got to say, I didn't know that 05:29.340 --> 05:30.700 And I don't think Strom knew that either 05:30.700 --> 05:31.920 Because he... 05:31.920 --> 05:32.620 How much did he spend on that? 05:32.660 --> 05:33.060 20 bucks? 05:33.280 --> 05:34.020 It was 20 bucks 05:34.020 --> 05:34.580 But you know what? 05:34.660 --> 05:36.360 I seem to recall looking at it 05:36.360 --> 05:38.360 And it was something complicated 05:38.360 --> 05:41.120 There was some complicated way of getting it to work with asterisk 05:41.120 --> 05:42.040 So I said, you know what? 05:42.520 --> 05:43.980 I'd just rather spend the 20 bucks 05:43.980 --> 05:48.680 Oh, so this doesn't actually plug right into asterisk like Digium did? 05:48.800 --> 05:50.240 I don't think it did 05:50.240 --> 05:51.220 Although I might be wrong 05:51.220 --> 05:54.480 Well, anyway, you're a sucker because you didn't get it for free 05:54.480 --> 05:55.180 And you suck 05:55.180 --> 05:57.600 Ha ha ha ha ha 05:57.600 --> 05:57.920 Yeah 05:57.920 --> 05:59.320 You paid for something 05:59.320 --> 06:00.060 Ha ha ha 06:00.060 --> 06:03.820 Well, remember, kids, software piracy is wrong 06:03.820 --> 06:05.700 Yeah, software piracy is very wrong 06:05.700 --> 06:07.980 Yes, but this would have fallen greater for us 06:07.980 --> 06:09.580 Because that's exactly what we're doing 06:09.580 --> 06:12.160 We were doing experiments on it to see how crappy it sounds 06:12.160 --> 06:15.580 And that was the second least crappiest sounding codec, I believe 06:15.580 --> 06:16.280 Ha ha ha 06:16.280 --> 06:16.600 Yes 06:16.600 --> 06:18.420 Not like LPC-10 06:18.420 --> 06:19.220 No, no, no 06:19.220 --> 06:21.560 G726 was the second least crappy sounding codec 06:21.560 --> 06:24.180 G729 sounds roughly like GSM 06:24.180 --> 06:26.020 I really didn't hear much of a difference between the two 06:26.020 --> 06:28.040 Really? No, I kind of picked that up 06:28.040 --> 06:28.600 I don't know 06:28.600 --> 06:29.120 Hmm 06:29.120 --> 06:31.420 Anyway, our next email 06:31.420 --> 06:33.120 Hey, Strom and Black Ratchet 06:33.120 --> 06:34.800 Greetings from Australia 06:34.800 --> 06:36.760 Anyways, been a long-time listener 06:36.760 --> 06:38.660 And like what you guys are doing with the show 06:38.660 --> 06:40.160 More towards my area of interest 06:40.160 --> 06:43.600 Anywho, was listening to Binrev, number 111 06:43.600 --> 06:46.920 And heard you talking briefly about VoIP over GPRS 06:46.920 --> 06:48.720 I was sitting at work one day some time ago 06:48.720 --> 06:51.480 And I had the idea of doing this as my mobile phone provider 06:51.480 --> 06:55.140 Has a strange billing system that believes voice is more expensive than data 06:55.140 --> 06:57.000 Probably because nobody's using it 06:57.000 --> 07:00.700 In fact, one provider over here gives GPRS data for free 07:00.700 --> 07:04.580 So I was wondering if you are aware of any J2ME ports 07:04.580 --> 07:06.160 Or of soft phones out there 07:06.160 --> 07:08.740 I know SIP Communicator is planning a port in the future 07:08.740 --> 07:10.940 And I had planned to start one of my own 07:10.940 --> 07:12.340 Just to get things done quicker 07:12.340 --> 07:15.380 But won't bother if there's something similar that you guys are aware of 07:15.380 --> 07:16.960 Anyway, keep up the good work, guys 07:16.960 --> 07:17.760 Route 2 07:17.760 --> 07:20.660 So, VoIP over GPRS 07:20.660 --> 07:21.060 Hmm 07:21.060 --> 07:22.540 Down flow 07:22.540 --> 07:23.940 Yeah, as far as I know 07:23.940 --> 07:26.720 I think it's an impossibility at this point 07:26.720 --> 07:32.180 GPRS works fine for web surfing 07:32.180 --> 07:33.880 Well, fine in a very general sense 07:33.880 --> 07:37.320 But latency and bandwidth, it suck 07:37.320 --> 07:38.580 Bandwidth is an issue 07:38.580 --> 07:42.760 I think GPRS only gets about 30, 35 kilobits per second 07:42.760 --> 07:45.320 Once you build in over the overhead 07:45.320 --> 07:47.100 I believe the theoretical maximum is 48 07:47.100 --> 07:51.160 Although that also depends on signal quality 07:51.160 --> 07:52.960 I mean, on my hip-top 07:52.960 --> 07:56.000 It can really suck sometimes 07:56.000 --> 07:57.340 If I only have one or two bars 07:57.340 --> 07:59.120 It can be very, very, very slow 07:59.120 --> 08:01.760 And I don't even want to think about doing a VoIP conversation over there 08:01.760 --> 08:05.260 So, for the time being, Route 2 08:05.260 --> 08:06.300 You're shit out of luck 08:06.300 --> 08:06.560 Sorry 08:06.560 --> 08:10.720 Apparently there is hope for the future 08:10.720 --> 08:12.680 I was doing some research on this 08:12.680 --> 08:14.260 And I found an API from Sun 08:14.260 --> 08:17.500 For J2ME that does SIP 08:17.500 --> 08:19.460 And it's tinyurl.com 08:19.460 --> 08:26.160 So, I guess people are thinking ahead 08:26.160 --> 08:28.960 Because, you know, we have all this 08:28.960 --> 08:30.240 We've got GPRS now 08:30.240 --> 08:31.020 But over in Japan 08:31.020 --> 08:32.400 3G networks 08:32.400 --> 08:33.960 What are they up to? 08:34.140 --> 08:38.120 Like, I think they're 768 kilobits per second standard 08:38.300 --> 08:39.440 Oh, that sounds yummy 08:39.440 --> 08:42.500 Yeah, I just died to get that down to my cell phone 08:42.500 --> 08:43.400 Wouldn't that be great? 08:43.600 --> 08:45.140 Just, like, surf porn on the bus 08:45.140 --> 08:46.240 Oh, yes 08:46.240 --> 08:50.680 I mean, not have to wait, like, hours for hours on end for porn 08:50.680 --> 08:52.180 I mean, right now, I think the best 08:52.180 --> 08:52.980 Oh, baby, give it to me 08:52.980 --> 08:54.380 Yes, yes, yes 08:54.380 --> 08:55.940 Dude, you can have VoIP porn 08:55.940 --> 08:56.560 All right 08:56.560 --> 08:56.900 Yes 08:56.900 --> 08:58.300 That'd be sweet 08:58.300 --> 09:01.120 Yeah, the kid knows all about that 09:01.120 --> 09:03.040 Yeah, well, don't I? 09:03.380 --> 09:05.160 Yeah, especially on buses 09:05.160 --> 09:05.940 But let me tell you 09:05.940 --> 09:06.560 With Nextel 09:06.560 --> 09:08.660 Well, yeah 09:08.660 --> 09:10.680 Nextel and 900 numbers 09:10.680 --> 09:12.260 That involve things of that nature 09:12.260 --> 09:13.680 That don't work out very well 09:13.680 --> 09:15.520 Reach out and touch somebody 09:15.520 --> 09:16.800 Well, hell 09:16.800 --> 09:17.400 With Nextel 09:17.400 --> 09:19.420 You could do all your phone sex 09:19.420 --> 09:20.740 On speakerphone on the bus 09:20.740 --> 09:22.220 Well, that's what I thought 09:22.220 --> 09:24.080 And I thought everybody else would enjoy 09:24.080 --> 09:25.140 On a long bus ride 09:25.140 --> 09:25.940 That same thing 09:25.940 --> 09:26.700 But apparently 09:26.700 --> 09:29.000 Whoops 09:29.000 --> 09:31.160 Yeah, not a family event 09:31.160 --> 09:33.340 I know I mentioned to you two 09:33.340 --> 09:34.360 About what I do on Nextel 09:34.360 --> 09:35.720 But I'm not sure if I ever 09:35.720 --> 09:36.820 Talked about this on the show 09:36.820 --> 09:39.400 About my fun with Nextel people 09:39.400 --> 09:41.600 Dude, I don't think I've ever 09:41.600 --> 09:41.760 I don't think I've ever 09:41.760 --> 09:42.940 I basically recall you 09:42.940 --> 09:43.940 Either telling me about it 09:43.940 --> 09:45.060 Or talking about it on the show 09:45.060 --> 09:45.740 But regardless 09:45.740 --> 09:47.060 I think it's funny and worth repeating 09:47.060 --> 09:47.720 Anyway, yeah 09:47.720 --> 09:48.440 I think so 09:48.440 --> 09:49.520 So I eventually 09:49.520 --> 09:50.980 I take the bus into work 09:50.980 --> 09:51.820 And back every day 09:51.820 --> 09:52.800 Because if 09:52.800 --> 09:53.580 For anyone who ever 09:53.580 --> 09:54.320 Has been to Boston 09:54.320 --> 09:55.280 There is no parking 09:55.280 --> 09:55.760 Period 09:55.760 --> 09:57.160 So there's a bus 09:57.160 --> 09:57.640 That's about 09:57.640 --> 09:59.000 A quarter mile from my house 09:59.000 --> 09:59.860 And I walk it 09:59.860 --> 10:00.900 Take it in 10:00.900 --> 10:01.520 It stops me about 10:01.520 --> 10:02.380 A quarter mile from work 10:02.380 --> 10:03.700 And it's a pretty good ride 10:03.700 --> 10:04.540 I can sleep on it 10:04.540 --> 10:06.780 But I run into my fair share 10:06.780 --> 10:07.700 Of Nextel users 10:07.700 --> 10:08.600 Who have the 10:08.600 --> 10:09.720 Speakerphone 10:09.720 --> 10:11.440 On their walkie-talkie 10:11.440 --> 10:12.780 Ooh, gotta have the walkie-talkie 10:12.780 --> 10:13.240 They're cool 10:13.240 --> 10:14.420 Chirp 10:14.420 --> 10:15.220 Hmm? 10:16.260 --> 10:16.700 Chirp 10:16.700 --> 10:17.640 Chirp 10:17.640 --> 10:17.660 Chirp 10:17.660 --> 10:19.180 So 10:19.180 --> 10:21.780 No, I never actually thought 10:21.780 --> 10:22.680 This was a major problem 10:22.680 --> 10:23.520 Because I thought 10:23.520 --> 10:24.260 They had to have it 10:24.260 --> 10:24.940 On speakerphone 10:24.940 --> 10:25.360 And then 10:25.360 --> 10:26.500 I was enlightened 10:26.500 --> 10:27.420 By default radio 10:27.420 --> 10:29.820 And I found out 10:29.820 --> 10:31.040 That they can turn that off 10:31.040 --> 10:32.240 And at this point 10:32.240 --> 10:33.080 I was aghast 10:33.080 --> 10:34.520 So 10:34.520 --> 10:35.440 I was 10:35.440 --> 10:35.920 Next time 10:35.920 --> 10:36.720 After I found that out 10:36.720 --> 10:37.360 I was on the bus 10:37.360 --> 10:38.460 And there was some guy 10:38.460 --> 10:39.300 Middle of the morning 10:39.300 --> 10:40.540 Talking to Jim 10:40.540 --> 10:41.980 And he was 10:41.980 --> 10:42.860 I don't even remember 10:42.860 --> 10:43.580 What they were talking about 10:43.580 --> 10:43.960 At this point 10:43.960 --> 10:45.500 But he was going to meet Jim 10:45.500 --> 10:47.460 And he was constantly saying 10:47.460 --> 10:48.120 Jim, Jim 10:48.120 --> 10:48.660 Gonna do this 10:48.660 --> 10:49.260 Gonna do that 10:49.260 --> 10:50.000 And you know 10:50.000 --> 10:50.860 He was walking off the bus 10:50.860 --> 10:52.080 And I was walking right behind him 10:52.080 --> 10:53.360 And I say 10:53.360 --> 10:54.920 Hey, have fun with Jim today 10:54.920 --> 10:56.360 And he just turned to me 10:56.360 --> 10:57.460 And just looked aghast 10:57.460 --> 10:58.080 That I was listening 10:58.080 --> 10:58.940 To his conversation 10:58.940 --> 11:00.760 And I thought 11:00.760 --> 11:01.740 This could have possibilities 11:01.740 --> 11:02.080 So 11:02.080 --> 11:04.320 I eventually started staring at people 11:04.320 --> 11:05.300 When they were doing it 11:05.300 --> 11:07.180 And then I started 11:07.180 --> 11:07.580 You know 11:07.580 --> 11:09.300 Then I started fully participating 11:09.300 --> 11:10.160 In the conversations 11:10.160 --> 11:11.420 Like if someone asked a question 11:11.420 --> 11:12.840 I'd say 11:12.840 --> 11:13.240 Oh 11:13.240 --> 11:13.920 You know 11:13.920 --> 11:15.180 This is how you do that 11:15.180 --> 11:15.520 Or 11:15.520 --> 11:15.860 Oh 11:15.860 --> 11:16.140 That's 11:16.140 --> 11:16.560 You know 11:16.560 --> 11:18.280 It's very strange 11:18.280 --> 11:20.320 And people get very pissed off 11:20.320 --> 11:21.220 When you start participating 11:21.220 --> 11:21.960 In their conversations 11:21.960 --> 11:22.500 Like that 11:22.500 --> 11:23.700 Yeah 11:23.700 --> 11:24.740 It's almost as rude 11:24.740 --> 11:25.400 As walking around 11:25.400 --> 11:26.440 Talking on the phone 11:26.440 --> 11:28.080 Yeah 11:28.080 --> 11:29.640 Or driving on the phone 11:29.640 --> 11:29.820 Yeah 11:29.820 --> 11:31.540 Oh no, no, no 11:31.540 --> 11:33.060 Driving on the phone is fine 11:33.060 --> 11:34.120 As long as you're paying attention 11:34.120 --> 11:34.700 To the road 11:34.700 --> 11:35.600 More than you're paying attention 11:35.600 --> 11:36.440 To your conversation 11:36.440 --> 11:37.580 About supper 11:37.580 --> 11:39.300 Or some other dumb crap 11:39.300 --> 11:40.200 People talk about 11:40.200 --> 11:40.780 See I 11:40.780 --> 11:41.880 You're down at the grocery store 11:41.880 --> 11:42.580 And you hear people like 11:42.580 --> 11:43.680 Confirming what kind of chips 11:43.680 --> 11:44.220 They want 11:44.220 --> 11:45.400 As they walk around 11:45.400 --> 11:46.900 I 11:46.900 --> 11:47.200 I 11:47.200 --> 11:48.480 I actually have a story about that 11:48.480 --> 11:48.960 I 11:48.960 --> 11:49.240 I 11:49.240 --> 11:49.260 I 11:49.260 --> 11:49.280 I 11:49.280 --> 11:49.320 I 11:49.320 --> 11:49.380 I 11:49.380 --> 11:49.420 I 11:49.420 --> 11:50.380 I 11:50.380 --> 11:50.460 I 11:50.460 --> 11:50.480 I 11:50.480 --> 11:50.500 I 11:50.500 --> 11:50.520 I 11:50.520 --> 11:50.540 I 11:50.540 --> 11:50.560 I 11:50.560 --> 11:50.580 I 11:50.580 --> 11:50.600 I 11:50.600 --> 11:50.620 I 11:50.620 --> 11:50.660 I 11:50.660 --> 11:51.540 I 11:51.540 --> 11:51.560 I 11:51.560 --> 11:51.580 I 11:51.580 --> 11:51.620 I 11:51.620 --> 11:51.740 I 11:51.740 --> 12:08.080 I 12:08.080 --> 12:08.860 I 12:08.860 --> 12:09.800 I 12:09.800 --> 12:12.140 I 12:12.140 --> 12:13.160 I 12:13.160 --> 12:13.360 I 12:14.280 --> 12:14.700 I 12:14.700 --> 12:14.880 I 12:14.880 --> 12:16.520 I 12:16.520 --> 12:17.560 I 12:17.560 --> 12:18.120 I 12:18.120 --> 12:18.760 I 12:18.760 --> 12:18.840 I 12:18.860 --> 12:19.480 I 12:19.480 --> 12:19.540 I 12:19.540 --> 12:19.680 I 12:19.680 --> 12:20.680 I 12:20.680 --> 12:20.860 I 12:20.860 --> 12:21.180 I 12:21.180 --> 12:21.540 I 12:21.540 --> 12:21.660 I 12:21.660 --> 12:21.740 I 12:21.740 --> 12:28.680 Of course, for example, if you had a Western Electric handset while you're walking in the store, 12:28.760 --> 12:30.460 you get all kinds of conversations, right, Strom? 12:30.800 --> 12:31.720 Oh, yes, exactly. 12:33.500 --> 12:40.460 The first time I talked to a complete stranger in Los Angeles was on Strom's phone while I was talking to him, 12:40.860 --> 12:43.180 and he had a Western Electric handset plugged into it. 12:43.940 --> 12:44.340 Amazing. 12:45.600 --> 12:50.380 Me and my father, growing up, used to listen to people's cordless phone conversations on his police scanner. 12:50.380 --> 12:57.420 Let me tell you how much fun that was, hearing a husband and wife, like, you know, 12:57.580 --> 13:01.040 more or less putting the nails into the coffin of their relationship on the phone. 13:03.620 --> 13:07.300 How to be a nosy neighbor. 13:07.740 --> 13:07.980 Yes. 13:08.200 --> 13:09.200 Oh, it was beautiful. 13:10.220 --> 13:15.780 Man, seriously, there used to be a way to impress so many people when you just sort of flip that out 13:15.780 --> 13:16.920 and you picked up their conversations. 13:17.140 --> 13:18.460 It was weird. 13:19.040 --> 13:19.200 Yeah. 13:19.200 --> 13:22.700 In sort of a semi-related but not entirely related vein, 13:22.760 --> 13:27.340 I found that the best way to be able to change lanes on the freeway is drive with your window open 13:27.340 --> 13:32.280 and then stick your head out the window and look at the other driver directly in the eye, 13:32.360 --> 13:34.520 and they will drop back and let you in without question. 13:38.140 --> 13:38.540 Wait. 13:39.360 --> 13:41.080 This must be a Los Angeles thing. 13:41.080 --> 13:44.880 Yeah, I was just going to say, no, that doesn't work around here. 13:45.120 --> 13:49.380 No, there's, no, your head is irrelevant to somebody else's schedule. 13:49.480 --> 13:50.360 Don't cut it off. 13:50.360 --> 13:51.200 If it's a way or not. 13:53.060 --> 13:53.320 Yeah. 13:53.700 --> 13:55.780 So anyway, getting back onto the topic. 13:56.460 --> 13:57.100 We have a topic? 13:57.100 --> 14:00.720 Yeah, getting back onto the email here. 14:00.880 --> 14:02.760 We're talking about changing lanes in cars. 14:04.340 --> 14:05.240 We're talking about 3G. 14:05.680 --> 14:10.000 Yeah, 3G is going to come out, and I think someone recently, didn't they have like 50? 14:10.120 --> 14:11.440 I remember reading this on Slashdot. 14:11.500 --> 14:15.560 Someone did like 50 megabits per second, which made me shit myself. 14:15.560 --> 14:19.540 But anyway, that's not coming out anywhere over here anytime soon. 14:20.040 --> 14:21.680 Then again, I get to Flashdot. 14:22.280 --> 14:22.560 Yeah. 14:22.560 --> 14:23.760 I don't know why Flashdot is. 14:24.340 --> 14:25.400 Yeah, Flashdot. 14:25.740 --> 14:27.380 News, cutting edge. 14:28.920 --> 14:34.740 And, I mean, they've got the phones that do the Wi-Fi, too, so that's also an interesting concept 14:34.740 --> 14:39.260 where you can basically flip over to VoIP and not have to use your cell phone companies. 14:39.480 --> 14:42.940 But they're kind of kicking and screaming about that, and I wonder why. 14:42.940 --> 14:49.620 Now, if you can do MULA over VoIP over your cell phone, then that would certainly make it worth it. 14:50.600 --> 14:53.880 Well, with WiMAX, that's another idea. 14:54.600 --> 14:58.800 I'm curious what that'll be like, because that's like 50 megabits per second, too. 14:59.760 --> 15:02.340 That's insanely large, but I'm curious what the equipment thing will be. 15:02.420 --> 15:05.500 And also, I'm not interested in holding a transmitter like that up to my head. 15:07.100 --> 15:07.980 Oh, come on. 15:08.060 --> 15:10.800 Don't you want a microwave brain omelet? 15:11.520 --> 15:12.840 But that would be fun. 15:13.940 --> 15:14.500 Totally. 15:15.600 --> 15:21.560 Anyway, our next email is from VoltageX, and he says, 15:21.560 --> 15:23.760 I'm reasonably good at PHP. 15:24.120 --> 15:25.720 Do you think I should worry about learning Perl? 15:26.260 --> 15:29.420 Also, as I was listening to your future of telephony, a thought came to me. 15:29.740 --> 15:33.340 If payphones are dying due to mobiles and VoIP, why not make VoIP payphones? 15:33.780 --> 15:37.480 The rates could be much cheaper, and listening to your show, it seems that you could use an adapter 15:37.480 --> 15:41.740 to convert standard payphones to use VoIP, although I know nothing about them, so maybe not. 15:42.300 --> 15:47.740 Skype has already made steps towards us with Skype zones, Skype-friendly Wi-Fi hotspots, 15:47.740 --> 15:49.880 so why not go the whole way, VoltageX? 15:49.880 --> 15:54.700 Do you want to take the question first, or shall I? 15:54.760 --> 15:58.120 Because this is more your question, and this is equally both of us. 15:58.120 --> 16:06.460 Well, I guess you can do the PHP thing, and then I'll do the telephone thing, and then we can jump into the hacking stories. 16:07.120 --> 16:14.720 Well, PHP, I mean, learning languages, you should always be wanting to learn more languages. 16:15.080 --> 16:17.040 It shouldn't be a question of, should I learn X? 16:17.040 --> 16:24.080 Even if you just sit down and fiddle with it for a while, I mean, I've recently started playing around with VisualBasic.net a little more, 16:24.700 --> 16:27.700 and, yeah, yeah, don't get me started on that. 16:28.280 --> 16:29.220 It's interesting. 16:29.500 --> 16:30.840 It's a Q2C language. 16:31.040 --> 16:37.040 I'm really starting to compare it to be the Perl of Windows, because it's there for quick hacks. 16:37.920 --> 16:41.000 I believe Perl is compatible in Windows also. 16:42.000 --> 16:45.500 I don't know if that takes away from your point. 16:45.500 --> 16:47.280 Yeah, well, yeah, why don't we run Perl instead? 16:47.520 --> 16:47.800 Thanks. 16:48.340 --> 16:53.640 Yeah, well, it's not all cutesy-wootsy, and, you know, if you basically toss a Windows user command prompt, 16:53.700 --> 16:57.340 they'll start to scream and break out in hives, so it's a question. 16:57.440 --> 17:02.900 But anyway, if I can learn VB, other people can learn Perl, because Perl is just an infinitely better language. 17:04.540 --> 17:07.080 You never know when it's going to come in handy, really. 17:07.920 --> 17:13.200 Perl, it's used in web development, but it's a whole lot more useful in a ton of other things. 17:13.200 --> 17:18.720 But I think there's been studies out that PHE is much more efficient than Perl in the web language, 17:18.840 --> 17:21.760 and I'm sure people are screaming out there, the Perl mongers. 17:24.000 --> 17:26.960 I use PHP for web, all of the apples in PHP. 17:27.240 --> 17:31.260 I used to use Perl for web development, and then I was introduced to PHP, and it was like, 17:31.720 --> 17:33.140 wow, this is just so much better. 17:33.140 --> 17:39.000 But for Perl, I basically use Perl for almost everything else in a Unix environment, 17:39.140 --> 17:42.720 and even in Windows, like I was talking in whatever episode that was, 109, I think. 17:44.800 --> 17:50.180 There's diehards out there that have made an interpreter that are from the command line for PHP, 17:50.500 --> 17:55.880 and there's people out there that continue to use Perl for web development despite it, you know, sucking sometimes. 17:56.380 --> 17:59.160 There's a lot of stuff that it's good at, but there's a lot of stuff that it isn't good at. 17:59.200 --> 17:59.680 Look at it that way. 17:59.680 --> 18:02.440 It's silly. 18:02.860 --> 18:04.120 Use a hammer when you need a hammer. 18:04.600 --> 18:05.800 Use a saw when you need a saw. 18:07.380 --> 18:09.420 Otherwise, I don't know where I'm going with this analogy. 18:10.160 --> 18:13.500 Well, I mean, you could always bang on the piece of plywood until it shattered into a million pieces. 18:13.880 --> 18:18.660 Yeah, yeah, but you're going to – basically – actually, yeah, I must figure where I was going with this analogy. 18:18.980 --> 18:22.400 You're essentially going to come out with this shattered piece of wood that looks like crap. 18:23.300 --> 18:24.980 Or you could just call the head off the nail. 18:25.180 --> 18:25.220 Or you could just call the head off the nail. 18:25.220 --> 18:26.860 The government and not use .NET. 18:27.020 --> 18:29.120 Anyway, yeah, moving on. 18:29.680 --> 18:30.300 All right. 18:30.580 --> 18:35.640 So as far as, you know, pay phones dying, they're dying because of mobile phones, not because of VoIP. 18:37.600 --> 18:40.000 Yes, Ratchet and I are just torn up over this. 18:40.520 --> 18:49.360 But no, the thing about pay phones is they are dying because people are increasingly using their mobile phones as a means of communicating while they're away from the house. 18:49.360 --> 18:56.740 Because VoIP is more threatening the traditional landline business more so than it's threatening the pay phone business. 18:56.740 --> 19:03.480 So having VoIP pay phones is probably not going to change much on one hand. 19:03.480 --> 19:14.240 On the other hand, more so as a second facet of the argument, the pay phone industry, you know, the rates are tariffed with PUC for the most part. 19:14.240 --> 19:27.660 And traditional long distance rates, even from, you know, from, you know, from, for switch long distance is cheap enough now as to where your pay phone calls could be competitive even without VoIP. 19:27.660 --> 19:35.300 So I think you're going to see, just as time progresses, a general move away from wireline phones and towards VoIP. 19:35.820 --> 19:39.400 But, you know, I just had a power outage here in Los Angeles today. 19:39.660 --> 19:43.180 So VoIP didn't work, but my wireline phone still did. 19:43.660 --> 19:43.680 So. 19:43.680 --> 19:46.140 The decoder is smiling. 19:46.700 --> 19:48.200 Yes, decoder is smiling somewhere. 19:50.900 --> 19:51.780 So, yeah. 19:52.480 --> 19:53.400 Well, actually, well, I guess. 19:53.400 --> 19:54.580 This just in. 19:54.760 --> 19:55.100 Go ahead. 19:55.160 --> 19:55.400 Go ahead. 19:56.040 --> 19:58.180 Well, I had the opportunity to ask. 19:58.260 --> 20:08.020 I was curious of what the point of Verizon hoping to accomplish by raising the price from maybe what it used to be for $0.35 or possibly even $0.25 to $0.50. 20:08.020 --> 20:15.960 And if that's really necessary to keep the costs, you know, I think it kind of turns away that market a little bit. 20:16.100 --> 20:20.600 Well, I mean, adjusted for inflation, a pay phone call costs the same today as it did in 1968. 20:21.320 --> 20:22.000 Yeah, but. 20:22.000 --> 20:22.380 Oh, really? 20:22.960 --> 20:23.280 Yes. 20:23.360 --> 20:25.700 $0.10 in 1968 is $0.50 today. 20:26.380 --> 20:26.680 Right. 20:26.720 --> 20:28.700 But there were no alternatives in 1968. 20:28.960 --> 20:29.860 And now they have cell phones. 20:29.920 --> 20:31.280 It just doesn't seem very competitive. 20:33.480 --> 20:35.160 Well, I mean, it's not that competitive. 20:35.160 --> 20:44.060 But at the same time, when you do $0.50 for a local call, it's unlimited as opposed to your cell phone, which is per minute for the most part. 20:44.480 --> 20:44.880 Right. 20:44.920 --> 20:47.520 Unless you have, like, you know, the $1,000 plan or something. 20:49.920 --> 20:54.320 And also labor costs go up, you know, as time goes on. 20:54.440 --> 20:57.320 So the cost of maintaining the phones probably warrants a rate increase. 20:58.340 --> 20:58.600 Yep. 20:59.840 --> 21:00.240 Yeah. 21:00.400 --> 21:01.260 And that's what it is. 21:01.260 --> 21:08.980 Plus, you know, the other question is, you know, with the price raises and everything, I guess it's more toward inflation now. 21:09.100 --> 21:11.460 But I always thought it was more toward it's a premium. 21:12.840 --> 21:15.260 They're raising the prices because not enough people are using it. 21:15.540 --> 21:21.040 And it's – this is the kind of logic that certain companies use, which is silly, I will admit. 21:21.240 --> 21:22.940 But, you know, hey, whatever. 21:22.940 --> 21:31.900 Well, I mean, as quantity – if you take an economics class, it just relates right back to supply and demand. 21:32.000 --> 21:34.680 If there's less demand, the prices go up. 21:35.680 --> 21:37.260 No, no, no, no, no. 21:37.260 --> 21:38.020 If there's less demand, the prices go down. 21:38.080 --> 21:38.460 That's right. 21:38.520 --> 21:38.840 That's right. 21:38.900 --> 21:41.860 Boy, you better go back to college there, Strom. 21:42.080 --> 21:42.720 Oh, you are. 21:43.140 --> 21:44.440 Hey, no, don't blame me. 21:44.520 --> 21:46.220 I'm not entirely awake right now. 21:46.940 --> 21:47.880 You're never awake. 21:48.400 --> 21:49.100 I never am. 21:49.520 --> 21:50.720 I'm frazzled all the time. 21:50.720 --> 21:53.160 And since we're talking about – 21:53.160 --> 21:53.760 Can we edit that out? 21:54.900 --> 21:55.740 No, of course not. 21:56.000 --> 21:56.220 No. 21:57.140 --> 21:57.920 We'll see. 21:58.500 --> 22:03.640 Since we're talking about VoIP here, Koresh just IM'd this to me. 22:04.060 --> 22:07.160 eBay to set the spot – to buy Skype for $2.6 billion. 22:07.700 --> 22:08.080 Really? 22:08.540 --> 22:08.820 Yeah. 22:09.080 --> 22:09.980 This just in. 22:10.400 --> 22:10.720 Wow. 22:10.860 --> 22:11.880 Earlier this morning, I guess. 22:12.040 --> 22:13.500 But, wow. 22:14.040 --> 22:14.820 $2.6 billion. 22:14.820 --> 22:17.320 I heard it was actually going to go earlier today. 22:17.320 --> 22:21.840 But, like, some idiot bid $2.6 billion and 50 cents. 22:24.000 --> 22:25.180 Right at the last minute. 22:25.380 --> 22:26.260 It was horrible. 22:30.700 --> 22:31.180 Yeah. 22:31.660 --> 22:32.680 That was a lame joke. 22:32.880 --> 22:34.020 But, hey, check out somebody. 22:34.240 --> 22:35.220 You're killing me over here. 22:35.580 --> 22:37.240 I'm laughing, but you just can't hear it. 22:38.300 --> 22:41.320 I hope eBay doesn't pay with PayPal. 22:41.320 --> 22:51.060 Well, anyway, let's go over to show and tell before we make other bad eBay jokes. 22:53.300 --> 22:54.380 Who wants to kick it off? 22:56.240 --> 22:58.740 We'll let Koresh go first because he hasn't talked to much. 22:59.600 --> 23:00.080 Oh, no. 23:01.040 --> 23:02.320 What have you been doing, Koresh? 23:02.860 --> 23:03.820 What have I been doing? 23:04.180 --> 23:04.480 Yeah. 23:04.480 --> 23:12.360 I have actually spent my entire weekend praying in front of my iBook because my battery is completely dead. 23:13.440 --> 23:17.840 So, rather than spending $140, I have made a little shrine in my living room. 23:19.040 --> 23:21.220 And I am calling to the gods on this one. 23:22.040 --> 23:22.760 With some bourbon. 23:22.880 --> 23:23.220 So far, nothing. 23:24.140 --> 23:25.540 Well, what kind of battery is it? 23:27.420 --> 23:28.820 G3 12-inch iBook. 23:29.120 --> 23:29.900 Well, no, no. 23:30.660 --> 23:32.580 Nickel metal hydroxide, lithium ion. 23:33.060 --> 23:33.900 Probably lithium ion. 23:34.480 --> 23:35.100 Lithium ion, yeah. 23:35.500 --> 23:36.500 Okay, you're screwed then. 23:38.020 --> 23:38.620 I don't know. 23:38.620 --> 23:46.620 I was very pissed off when I actually found out that my ThinkPad's battery that I have for my spare laptop was actually lithium ion, 23:46.740 --> 23:51.160 so I couldn't try to flush it and redo the memory on it. 23:51.420 --> 23:52.340 But, oh, well. 23:53.320 --> 23:54.740 Isn't there something going on? 23:55.140 --> 23:56.580 I'm sure, at least in California. 23:56.580 --> 24:00.500 I don't know about nationwide, but Apple's doing a recall of the various batteries for the iBooks. 24:01.480 --> 24:01.840 Really? 24:02.440 --> 24:02.720 Yeah. 24:02.720 --> 24:04.560 Yeah, that I'll have to look into. 24:06.500 --> 24:07.860 If nothing else. 24:08.400 --> 24:10.560 Yeah, I mean, California, so there's an idea. 24:11.580 --> 24:13.660 No, no, we're not talking about fraud to commit to Apple. 24:13.920 --> 24:17.980 Ben River Radio does not endorse fraud, nor Apple, for that matter. 24:18.660 --> 24:20.520 I wasn't talking fraud. 24:20.520 --> 24:25.440 I was talking about redeeming a defective battery under a recall program. 24:26.080 --> 24:27.000 Yeah, in California. 24:27.160 --> 24:28.360 That doesn't help a few of the Massachusetts. 24:30.820 --> 24:31.140 Anyway. 24:32.040 --> 24:32.420 The kid. 24:32.460 --> 24:32.680 Yes. 24:33.240 --> 24:33.960 What have you been doing? 24:34.780 --> 24:36.520 Do you have anything else, Kuresh? 24:36.520 --> 24:38.320 I'm good for right now. 24:38.640 --> 24:39.020 All right. 24:40.320 --> 24:40.680 Yeah. 24:40.840 --> 24:41.980 What do you do with the kid? 24:42.080 --> 24:44.400 I just know you just hang around in the apartment all the time. 24:45.000 --> 24:46.960 Yeah, no, nothing legendary. 24:47.380 --> 24:51.380 Yeah, no, I kind of, I bring drinks and finger sandwiches. 24:51.380 --> 24:59.160 Yeah, that's, you know, that's, I've been doing some work for Nerve Systems. 25:04.720 --> 25:07.600 Did you hit on Robin Lee Cook? 25:08.400 --> 25:09.880 Most of that's pretty confidential. 25:10.160 --> 25:10.540 I can't really. 25:10.540 --> 25:10.920 Rachel. 25:11.300 --> 25:11.660 Rachel. 25:12.060 --> 25:12.960 Rachel, whatever it is. 25:13.040 --> 25:14.660 I don't know why I have a blind spot for that name. 25:14.660 --> 25:18.840 It's the same, for Amanda Bynes and me, it's the same thing. 25:19.000 --> 25:22.380 I don't know why, but I hit that block, too. 25:24.100 --> 25:24.500 Anyway. 25:24.700 --> 25:25.300 No, that's about it. 25:25.440 --> 25:26.120 Yeah, no. 25:28.180 --> 25:29.620 No, that's about it. 25:29.740 --> 25:30.140 I'm sorry. 25:31.700 --> 25:34.220 Another exciting week for the kid. 25:34.780 --> 25:35.140 Woo! 25:35.880 --> 25:36.200 Yeah. 25:36.920 --> 25:41.600 Well, for me, I have a new mail server, and oh boy, was that fun. 25:41.600 --> 25:46.760 Moving DNS records over, and bouncing stuff around, and then watching the email slowly 25:46.760 --> 25:48.900 dry up on one, and then I'll move over to another one. 25:49.460 --> 25:53.860 It was, that's how I spent my weekend, rather than actually doing something exciting. 25:57.000 --> 25:57.600 Good times. 25:57.620 --> 26:00.460 Actually, I have, I actually have, I don't know, should I talk about this now? 26:00.520 --> 26:01.480 I guess you should talk about this now. 26:01.980 --> 26:03.040 I've been reading a book. 26:03.360 --> 26:04.200 Mark this date down. 26:04.380 --> 26:04.560 Yes. 26:05.180 --> 26:08.120 It's, it's, and I'm going to actually make a book recommendation on air. 26:08.120 --> 26:10.020 It's called Crypto by Stephen Levy. 26:10.020 --> 26:15.940 And for any, I really recommend this to any technological person out there. 26:16.560 --> 26:22.320 It's just a really good book on the history of cryptology, and basically how PGP just started, 26:23.280 --> 26:29.860 and how basically SSH, RSA, all those little companies you hear about, Phil Zimmerman, all 26:29.860 --> 26:34.380 the little people you don't really know, but you hear, and they actually sound like they 26:34.380 --> 26:35.060 know what they're talking about. 26:35.060 --> 26:39.680 And, and they, they basically explain who the heck they are, and what they did, and 26:39.680 --> 26:45.120 why they're so famous, and, like, for example, I, I was always cool, because when I log in 26:45.120 --> 26:50.380 with SSH, and I put it on verbose, it says, doing the Diffie-Hellman key exchange, and I 26:50.380 --> 26:51.940 didn't actually know what the hell that was. 26:51.980 --> 26:58.300 I just assumed it was two names, and this book has a, entire chapter dedicated to Diffie 26:58.300 --> 27:03.300 and Hellman, um, with Diffie and Matt Hellman, I believe, I, I could be wrong. 27:03.820 --> 27:08.180 I actually didn't read it today, I fell asleep on the bus, but, and it, it's just, it's a 27:08.180 --> 27:13.380 really cool book, and I picked it up for 50 cents at a, at a yard sale, and I gotta say, 27:13.440 --> 27:16.300 it was the best 50 cents I have ever gotten, ever paid for. 27:16.300 --> 27:19.740 Buy this book so that you don't think that the encryption is based on mayonnaise. 27:21.260 --> 27:23.100 Well, there's actually the mayonnaise algorithm. 27:23.640 --> 27:24.140 Is there? 27:24.560 --> 27:24.720 Yeah. 27:24.900 --> 27:30.680 Um, actually, one of the, one of the, the original algorithms for PH, uh, PHP, sorry, PGP was, 27:30.740 --> 27:31.880 uh, called Bass-o-matic. 27:32.880 --> 27:33.640 Bass-o-matic. 27:33.820 --> 27:35.340 As, as, as, as in the fish. 27:36.220 --> 27:38.800 Well, isn't that as in the, as in the Saturday Night Live skit? 27:38.800 --> 27:40.460 Yeah, as in the Saturday Night Live skit. 27:40.640 --> 27:45.520 Phil Zimmerman basically wanted to, he, he, the way he looked at it was, oh, when I encrypt 27:45.520 --> 27:50.260 my messages, it'll be this gooey soup type of bass, and no one will be able to figure 27:50.260 --> 27:52.480 it out until they have my special key. 27:53.040 --> 27:57.340 Of course, then, like, a person who actually had a cryptology background with, which Phil 27:57.340 --> 28:01.300 Zimmerman never actually had, said, this, this algorithm sucks. 28:01.360 --> 28:02.600 I can break this in about 10 minutes. 28:05.420 --> 28:06.680 PGP is not like that anymore. 28:07.080 --> 28:11.720 If you, you'll find this out in the book, it's, it's actually secure now, so you're good. 28:11.720 --> 28:15.500 But I, I just find it amusing that, because I just, I love the Bass-o-o-matic. 28:15.520 --> 28:19.420 What have you been doing, Strom? 28:20.080 --> 28:21.620 Nothing terribly exciting. 28:21.840 --> 28:26.340 I've been contemplating setting up a DNS server and learning how to do that. 28:27.440 --> 28:28.360 DNS is evil. 28:29.240 --> 28:29.480 Yeah. 28:29.800 --> 28:35.360 Well, I had some DNS trouble with, with my DEF CON group domain this, this weekend. 28:35.900 --> 28:38.960 So I've been contemplating just doing that on my own, too. 28:39.320 --> 28:41.620 Have you looked in everydns.net? 28:41.920 --> 28:43.580 I'm going to, I'm going to send a shout-out to them, I guess. 28:43.980 --> 28:45.820 Um, I, I've, what have I been using? 28:45.980 --> 28:47.700 Um, myDNS or something, or? 28:48.500 --> 28:49.120 Never heard of them. 28:49.140 --> 28:50.180 My, no, sorry, myDomain. 28:51.000 --> 28:51.740 Oh, okay. 28:52.500 --> 28:54.320 Yeah, I've, I've heard mixed reviews about them. 28:54.560 --> 28:56.460 Yeah, well, a friend of mine used those, so I've been using them. 28:56.520 --> 29:01.640 But I think, you know, if I'm, if I've got an extra Spark Station 5, so I might as well just turn that into its own DNS server. 29:01.640 --> 29:01.820 Ooh. 29:01.820 --> 29:02.220 Ooh. 29:03.020 --> 29:03.300 Yeah. 29:03.840 --> 29:07.100 I figure that's, that's a wimpy enough application for the Spark Station 5 to be able to handle it. 29:07.580 --> 29:09.400 There's nothing wimpy about a Spark Station 5. 29:09.900 --> 29:13.100 Well, okay, wimpy in comparison to, say, like a, a, a three-geekers P4. 29:13.760 --> 29:14.600 Oh, okay. 29:14.600 --> 29:20.340 Um, everyDNS.net, in case anyone's interested in having DNS, they're, they're a really nice service. 29:20.480 --> 29:21.000 They're free. 29:21.200 --> 29:22.980 They ask for donations, and I've done my donation. 29:23.900 --> 29:25.820 But, uh, they're just, they're, they're rock solid. 29:25.900 --> 29:30.460 I don't think I've ever, I think I've had, like, one bit of downtime since 2002. 29:30.460 --> 29:36.360 And it was, it was literally for a morning when they didn't, and they didn't have any redundant servers back then. 29:36.460 --> 29:40.760 This was, this was very early in their, uh, careers, I guess you could call it. 29:40.820 --> 29:41.940 They've been doing it since 2001. 29:42.080 --> 29:42.900 They're a really good website. 29:43.300 --> 29:43.940 And shout out to them. 29:43.940 --> 29:44.240 What is that again? 29:45.300 --> 29:46.260 EveryDNS.net. 29:46.940 --> 29:47.740 And what are they? 29:48.460 --> 29:51.480 They, they are a, they are a free DNS hosting service. 29:51.560 --> 29:55.200 Basically, you can point your domains over to it, and they'll take care of all your DNS requests. 29:55.820 --> 29:56.180 Excellent. 29:56.600 --> 29:59.720 And they have this really nice, elegant web interface. 29:59.720 --> 30:03.320 It's, it's not as fully as customizable as controlling your own DNS server, of course. 30:03.460 --> 30:08.780 But it, it, for basically all of my needs that I've ever had, it's, it's shined. 30:09.180 --> 30:09.860 It's amazing. 30:10.340 --> 30:10.700 Beautiful. 30:11.900 --> 30:16.640 And the other thing that I've been doing is, uh, my cousin's iPod battery is starting to go. 30:16.740 --> 30:21.120 So what I'm going to do for him is I'm going to try to do one of those do-it-yourself replacement kits. 30:22.400 --> 30:26.880 So I will report back, uh, in a week or two as to how well that worked. 30:27.840 --> 30:30.240 Drum, do you know the generation of the iPod? 30:30.520 --> 30:31.960 It's a fourth generation iPod. 30:32.480 --> 30:33.200 Oh, okay. 30:33.300 --> 30:35.320 It doesn't qualify for the battery replacement program, then. 30:35.760 --> 30:37.480 Aren't the fourth generation ones the new ones? 30:37.540 --> 30:38.420 What the hell did he do to it? 30:38.540 --> 30:39.440 I don't know. 30:39.880 --> 30:40.220 Yo. 30:40.740 --> 30:41.200 He's third. 30:41.200 --> 30:41.800 God, I mean, heck. 30:42.860 --> 30:45.300 My, my, my first generation one just clunked out. 30:45.380 --> 30:45.960 I mean, God. 30:47.020 --> 30:50.820 Hey, update regarding the, uh, G3, no, uh, batteries. 30:51.320 --> 30:51.720 Mm-hmm. 30:51.900 --> 30:54.620 It's only G4 batteries that are covered by that program. 30:54.980 --> 30:55.260 Oh. 30:55.460 --> 30:55.660 Uh. 30:56.640 --> 30:56.920 Yeah. 30:57.000 --> 30:58.020 All your G3 owners. 30:58.780 --> 31:02.560 But my iPod is covered under their iPod battery settlement. 31:02.720 --> 31:03.360 So that's good news. 31:03.960 --> 31:04.800 That's very exciting. 31:05.360 --> 31:06.820 Yeah, my iPod's covered under it. 31:06.820 --> 31:06.920 Yeah, first, second, third gen. 31:06.920 --> 31:07.000 Yeah. 31:07.420 --> 31:11.580 But I, I really just think I'm going to send it in to Apple because I really don't feel like gutting mine. 31:12.240 --> 31:15.720 And hopefully they'll have no more generation one ones and they'll just send me a generation two instead. 31:15.840 --> 31:15.920 Mm-hmm. 31:15.920 --> 31:17.200 Or at least I can, I can dream that. 31:18.540 --> 31:19.480 I don't think why not. 31:20.060 --> 31:20.320 Yeah. 31:20.720 --> 31:24.220 My question to all the listeners, and maybe you guys might know this off the top of your heads, 31:24.480 --> 31:29.280 is there anything one can use to polish the scratches out of the screen? 31:29.280 --> 31:34.800 Because I've had my iPod in a special case ever since I got it and for the most part scratch-free, 31:34.900 --> 31:39.240 except for the screen under the plastic thing that's supposed to prevent the screen from getting scratched. 31:39.360 --> 31:40.140 It's where it got scratched. 31:41.580 --> 31:42.460 How deep is it? 31:43.020 --> 31:45.000 It's just, it's not terribly deep. 31:45.000 --> 31:46.700 It's just cosmetic-level scratches. 31:47.400 --> 31:48.360 You know something? 31:48.560 --> 31:49.900 It's going to sound kind of dumb. 31:50.500 --> 31:52.300 You ever been to a Swatch store? 31:53.500 --> 31:54.260 No, I haven't. 31:55.120 --> 31:55.480 Okay. 31:55.780 --> 32:00.420 If you bring them a Swatch watch, I mean, even the old one with a really thin cover on them, 32:00.440 --> 32:01.960 they have a really, like, light buffer. 32:02.320 --> 32:02.560 Mm-hmm. 32:02.800 --> 32:05.000 And they'll buff any scratches out of your watch. 32:05.240 --> 32:05.520 Mm-hmm. 32:05.520 --> 32:09.420 So you might try and bring it to them and see what they say. 32:09.780 --> 32:09.980 Hmm. 32:10.100 --> 32:14.480 You couldn't have told me about this when I was trying to buff that scar out of the 19-inch monitor? 32:15.180 --> 32:17.060 Well, it's also a 19-inch monitor. 32:17.880 --> 32:19.600 But it's a really nice monitor. 32:20.240 --> 32:21.660 Yes, but that's glass. 32:21.720 --> 32:23.040 I'm talking about a piece of plastic. 32:23.160 --> 32:28.680 Or an iPod, I think, is probably the perfect thing to use on the buffer they have at the watch store. 32:29.080 --> 32:30.100 There's one down in the back of the market. 32:30.300 --> 32:30.960 It's worth a shot. 32:31.620 --> 32:35.140 I'd also worry about the fact that it's an LCD screen. 32:35.740 --> 32:35.960 Yeah. 32:35.960 --> 32:40.180 And pressure on the screen might not be the best thing for it. 32:40.180 --> 32:40.360 Yeah. 32:40.740 --> 32:42.500 Well, there isn't much pressure at all. 32:42.860 --> 32:43.360 Oh, okay. 32:43.420 --> 32:46.360 That's the thing with the watches, because the casing on the watches is really delicate. 32:46.940 --> 32:47.240 Mm-hmm. 32:47.240 --> 32:49.160 But, yeah, she took care of my watch, meaning, like, perfectly. 32:49.300 --> 32:52.840 I brought it right to her, and it was scratched to hell, and she made it look, like, brand new. 32:53.300 --> 32:54.020 Wow, not bad. 32:54.200 --> 32:54.480 Beautiful. 32:54.720 --> 32:54.960 Yeah. 32:55.120 --> 32:57.300 And, like I said, it's really cheap plastic on those watches. 32:57.420 --> 32:59.180 They were, you know, $20 watches years ago. 32:59.760 --> 32:59.980 Mm-hmm. 33:00.020 --> 33:01.380 But, yep, it looks like brand new. 33:01.460 --> 33:05.040 So, I definitely would recommend walking into there and see what they say. 33:05.480 --> 33:06.080 All right, cool. 33:06.580 --> 33:07.360 Or a bottle of tequila. 33:07.800 --> 33:08.040 Yeah. 33:08.600 --> 33:15.060 So, if any of you in listener land have any other suggestions, please feel free to email us at radio at binwrapped.com. 33:15.960 --> 33:17.600 Yes, help out Strong's iPod. 33:17.900 --> 33:18.140 Yes. 33:19.320 --> 33:21.220 Okay, so that kind of wraps it up. 33:21.260 --> 33:24.000 We'll move on to Pacific – I never say this right. 33:24.000 --> 33:24.740 The show topic. 33:24.920 --> 33:26.280 Specific show topics. 33:26.480 --> 33:26.760 Yes. 33:27.240 --> 33:33.000 I also had a nice time trying to pronounce philanthropy today, and, boy, did that not work out at all. 33:33.300 --> 33:33.560 Yeah. 33:34.120 --> 33:35.440 I just couldn't get it out. 33:35.520 --> 33:35.980 Don't know why. 33:36.520 --> 33:38.360 Something wasn't clicking in my brain. 33:39.780 --> 33:42.540 So, our show topic this week is meetings. 33:43.980 --> 33:50.720 And, meetings and, you know, gathering and going to your meetings and finding out what meetings are in your area and what you might want to learn out of them. 33:50.720 --> 33:56.920 A.K.A. how not to be a complete antisocial nitwit huddled over your computer screen for the rest of your life. 33:57.060 --> 34:02.900 I mean, hackers are very antisocial creatures, but we're antisocial amongst ourselves, so go figure. 34:03.360 --> 34:04.360 I think I used the wrong word. 34:04.420 --> 34:05.360 I think it's unsociable. 34:05.480 --> 34:07.220 Antisocial has a totally different connotation. 34:07.560 --> 34:08.040 Well, no. 34:08.040 --> 34:09.400 You can use antisocial in that context. 34:09.520 --> 34:09.820 Can you? 34:10.020 --> 34:10.240 Okay. 34:10.240 --> 34:10.800 I believe so. 34:10.960 --> 34:12.060 Well, let me look it up anyway. 34:12.080 --> 34:20.600 You don't like social meetings, which is bad because there's tons of meetings out there in the great giant world in your area. 34:21.160 --> 34:26.520 I think Counter-Strike and EverQuest both qualify as a social gathering or meeting. 34:26.520 --> 34:32.620 Yes, but the interesting part is they all say, oh, I'm antisocial, but they go out and they participate in forums. 34:32.760 --> 34:33.920 They participate in mailing lists. 34:34.560 --> 34:36.360 And these are social aspects. 34:36.560 --> 34:39.520 They just don't for some reason want to ever get up from the computer. 34:39.520 --> 34:50.720 Well, I guess the word social to them connotes actually talking face-to-face with people as opposed to just chatting over the Internet because the Internet is just text on a screen. 34:50.860 --> 34:51.560 It's not real people. 34:52.360 --> 34:55.220 Yeah, and I've got to admit, I am still like that. 34:55.220 --> 35:04.440 I much better talk to someone in front of a computer screen because, hell, I mean, it was a big thing for actually me to start doing a radio show or talking on the phone because there's no backspace in radio. 35:04.620 --> 35:05.520 Well, technically there is. 35:05.560 --> 35:06.880 I guess I can edit all my stuff out. 35:08.560 --> 35:09.780 Anyway, you're right. 35:09.920 --> 35:12.440 The first definition for antisocial is unsociable. 35:12.860 --> 35:14.160 So, ha-ha, ha-ha-ha-ha. 35:14.200 --> 35:14.820 I'm always right. 35:15.980 --> 35:17.280 But Crash wins the prize. 35:18.420 --> 35:19.080 Do I get the Porsche? 35:20.080 --> 35:22.680 You win the crumb off my floor. 35:23.200 --> 35:25.060 Oh, that was right on to L.A. 35:26.180 --> 35:30.120 So, anyway, first off, why should you go to meetings? 35:30.740 --> 35:34.920 And we kind of hit on this in the old show, whatever it was, the introduction to hacking. 35:35.860 --> 35:36.220 FaceTime. 35:36.580 --> 35:40.360 Go out and meet your fellow hacker or person or geek or whatever. 35:41.840 --> 35:42.640 Meet new people. 35:42.880 --> 35:48.360 I mean, I never knew Koresh or the kid before I started going to the meetings, which was, when did I first go, May? 35:48.360 --> 35:49.040 Sure. 35:50.580 --> 35:51.360 That sounds about right. 35:51.360 --> 35:51.920 How could that happen? 35:51.920 --> 35:52.240 After recently? 35:53.120 --> 35:53.320 Hmm? 35:53.420 --> 35:53.740 No. 35:53.880 --> 35:54.200 After recently? 35:54.820 --> 35:55.360 Yes, yes. 35:55.500 --> 35:57.160 No, it was before that. 35:57.960 --> 35:59.560 No, I think it was either May or April. 36:01.060 --> 36:05.960 I went – we'll talk about this later with my whole 2,600 experience. 36:06.080 --> 36:06.500 2,300. 36:06.800 --> 36:07.140 Yeah, whatever. 36:07.440 --> 36:07.940 2,300? 36:08.400 --> 36:08.700 Yeah. 36:08.800 --> 36:10.520 Maybe you were thinking 2,368. 36:11.060 --> 36:11.840 Yeah, there we go. 36:12.060 --> 36:12.700 That's probably it. 36:12.700 --> 36:16.780 Anyway, and the last reason you should go to meetings is learn shit. 36:16.900 --> 36:17.900 Oh, my God. 36:18.360 --> 36:21.560 People talking about computers, you may actually pick something up. 36:21.900 --> 36:22.240 Oh, yeah. 36:22.360 --> 36:24.680 I've been introduced to a whole bunch of really interesting things. 36:24.820 --> 36:29.800 I know more Cisco stuff than I did before, although that's not saying much because I'm still a total Cisco noob. 36:30.160 --> 36:32.940 But I've learned all sorts of interesting things. 36:33.260 --> 36:34.120 And I have, too. 36:34.180 --> 36:36.900 And I've enlightened people on the voiceover IP and asterisk. 36:37.900 --> 36:40.980 I can actually read my iBook. 36:40.980 --> 36:43.540 Boy, you're going – 36:43.540 --> 36:44.800 Cell phone down. 36:44.800 --> 36:45.540 Oh, I'm sorry. 36:45.860 --> 36:48.420 I said I picked up some sweet mod ideas for my iBook. 36:48.740 --> 36:49.180 Oh, cool. 36:49.740 --> 36:50.280 Oh, yeah. 36:50.940 --> 36:51.260 Jake. 36:51.340 --> 36:52.140 Jake is the man. 36:52.560 --> 36:55.000 He has all kinds of elite stuff on his iBook. 36:55.900 --> 36:56.780 Like feedables. 36:57.380 --> 36:58.600 Yeah, we'll just leave it at that. 36:59.660 --> 37:01.520 And duct tape on the CD-ROM. 37:02.960 --> 37:07.540 Anyway, this is sort of an inside joke on the Boston 2600 crew. 37:07.780 --> 37:08.780 Just sort of ignored. 37:08.780 --> 37:09.380 Sorry, Jerome. 37:10.980 --> 37:12.040 Oh, it's okay. 37:12.160 --> 37:14.060 I'm always out the loop on those things. 37:14.340 --> 37:16.620 Yeah, you can learn all kinds of crazy stuff in the meetings. 37:16.760 --> 37:22.460 And that's something that I really started kicking myself for because I missed a lot of opportunities to go to these things. 37:22.540 --> 37:23.460 And I completely ignored it. 37:23.600 --> 37:28.060 And I just realized that there's a lot of truthful people there, which is amazing for me. 37:28.060 --> 37:32.160 So, well, what goes on at meetings? 37:32.680 --> 37:33.960 What actually do they do? 37:34.340 --> 37:37.760 Well, for the most part, people sit and talk. 37:38.200 --> 37:39.080 Talk and eat. 37:39.360 --> 37:40.000 Yes, and eat. 37:40.100 --> 37:40.900 Sit and talk and eat. 37:40.920 --> 37:42.140 Those are the three main things. 37:42.440 --> 37:46.340 People do bring computers and they show cool stuff off to each other. 37:46.400 --> 37:48.100 But for the most part, it's sit and talk and eat. 37:48.100 --> 37:52.380 I personally think the talking is far more interesting than the computer. 37:52.560 --> 37:56.720 I don't even bring my computer to the meetings anymore unless there's something important, which I have to show somebody. 37:57.280 --> 37:58.700 I bring my computer just in case. 37:59.420 --> 37:59.600 Yeah. 38:00.460 --> 38:01.520 It's a personal choice. 38:01.880 --> 38:05.180 Chances are if you need a computer, someone there will have one for you. 38:05.340 --> 38:07.560 Mainly it's because I usually take that one. 38:07.560 --> 38:15.180 There is also the off chance that someone might have something cool that you might want a copy of, something totally legal that you might want a copy of. 38:15.540 --> 38:22.300 So, you know, you could use your computer for that, although theoretically you could just carry a USB key chain and use one of those too. 38:22.960 --> 38:23.200 Yes. 38:23.640 --> 38:24.160 Very true. 38:24.700 --> 38:28.000 Anyway, so first off, let's go over the various meetings. 38:28.200 --> 38:30.540 First off, your mileage may vary. 38:32.420 --> 38:35.160 You may have a very different meeting than what we're talking about. 38:35.460 --> 38:35.680 Yeah. 38:35.680 --> 38:41.580 Your 2,600 group could be run by a maniacal dictator for all you know, which we're not knocking 2,600. 38:41.860 --> 38:42.960 We're not saying don't go. 38:43.120 --> 38:44.680 You never know until you actually get there. 38:45.220 --> 38:45.860 So go anyway. 38:46.320 --> 38:46.740 That's true. 38:47.180 --> 38:52.100 Some areas, you know, tend to have weirder 2,600 groups than others. 38:52.500 --> 38:58.100 Some areas have smaller gatherings than others, you know, especially if you're kind of in a rural area. 38:58.200 --> 39:00.640 You might have, you know, only maybe three or four people that show up to the meeting. 39:01.220 --> 39:03.380 Yeah, but still, that's three or four people you probably didn't know. 39:03.380 --> 39:08.100 So that's not, we're not saying don't go to these things because, you know, we're not trying to ward people off. 39:08.260 --> 39:11.740 Yeah, no, we're just giving you ideas of what the meeting might be like. 39:11.820 --> 39:12.720 Your mileage may vary. 39:12.820 --> 39:13.660 Go with an open mind. 39:14.120 --> 39:14.440 Exactly. 39:14.800 --> 39:18.640 So let's go over the various meetings one can go to. 39:19.500 --> 39:23.120 I think, let's start off with the granddaddy of them all, 2,600. 39:23.120 --> 39:23.280 2,600. 39:24.000 --> 39:24.560 Oh, yeah. 39:24.960 --> 39:25.440 2,600. 39:26.000 --> 39:26.020 Woo! 39:26.580 --> 39:35.480 2,600, I guess you could say 2,600 was, yeah, don't try to, 2,600, I guess you could say is the granddaddy of them all. 39:35.580 --> 39:40.160 Was there really like a group that met beforehand that was organized as much as the – 39:40.160 --> 39:44.500 This is what I have been told for the Los Angeles meeting. 39:44.760 --> 39:51.520 The Los Angeles meeting was – it's the second oldest 2,600 group, and it was officially founded in 1992. 39:52.380 --> 39:58.320 But apparently there were people meeting before the meeting was LA-2600. 39:58.420 --> 40:02.180 It was just a bunch of computer enthusiasts and hackers getting together and chatting. 40:03.000 --> 40:03.900 So the origins – 40:03.900 --> 40:06.940 They've had those meetings everywhere for – I mean, since like the mid-70s, you know? 40:06.960 --> 40:07.160 Yeah. 40:07.520 --> 40:18.520 The origins of the group from which LA-2600 directly descends supposedly go as far back as either 1990 or 1989 at least, maybe even further. 40:19.960 --> 40:27.140 And, I mean, even before that, there was – the hacker group was sort of like people going into the homebrew computer club. 40:27.140 --> 40:28.520 Yeah, they were just going to mention that. 40:28.940 --> 40:29.060 Yeah. 40:29.060 --> 40:33.640 I mean, if you don't know what that is, look it up because that's basically where the PC revolution started. 40:33.980 --> 40:38.440 A friend of mine has an interesting story about going to the homebrew computer club in the 70s. 40:39.800 --> 40:40.720 Well, enlighten us. 40:40.920 --> 40:41.120 Yes. 40:41.800 --> 40:46.100 This is the legendary Mark Brunet who went to the homebrew computer club. 40:46.100 --> 40:53.620 And he was telling me that one of the decisions that he regrets in his life is not going up to Steve Jobs and saying, 40:54.020 --> 40:58.280 Hello, I'm Mark Brunet, and I'd like to invest a few thousand dollars in your company. 40:59.060 --> 41:01.080 Yeah, that's pretty stupid. 41:02.120 --> 41:03.100 He should have done that. 41:03.720 --> 41:04.000 Woo! 41:04.840 --> 41:12.780 So, anyway, getting back, I guess you could say 2600 was the first real organized hacker meeting out there that they started trying to set up. 41:12.860 --> 41:14.260 I believe – when did 2600 get started? 41:14.440 --> 41:16.140 1985 was the magazine? 41:16.140 --> 41:24.460 Well, the magazine was 1984, but I think the groups – if Los Angeles is the second oldest one, it was started in 1992. 41:24.780 --> 41:27.580 I don't think the groups can be any older than, say, 1990 or so. 41:27.900 --> 41:28.380 Yeah, true. 41:28.660 --> 41:29.580 I wonder how that started. 41:29.780 --> 41:32.760 I think there should be an article on that in 2600. 41:32.880 --> 41:37.520 So someone do research and go submit it and just give me shouts or something, I guess. 41:37.580 --> 41:37.880 I don't know. 41:38.680 --> 41:42.900 Well, 2600 isn't nearly long enough to support an article of that length. 41:43.060 --> 41:44.600 That's something that should be put on the Internet. 41:46.060 --> 41:47.940 Well, not – I mean, you don't have to do one for everything. 41:48.060 --> 41:51.840 Just say how the meetings actually got started and how someone organized it. 41:51.860 --> 41:52.440 Talk to Emmanuel. 41:52.600 --> 41:55.200 I'm curious if he actually had something to do with it. 41:55.680 --> 41:56.460 Oh, yeah, yeah. 41:56.460 --> 42:04.480 I'm sure there are also some who would argue that 2600 is not ready for an article that factual, but – 42:04.480 --> 42:08.200 Yeah, we're not knocking – this is not coming into a 2600 knock fest. 42:08.400 --> 42:08.780 I know. 42:08.940 --> 42:11.160 I said that's why I said there are some who would argue. 42:11.480 --> 42:12.220 Some who would argue. 42:12.220 --> 42:14.220 I don't feel that way personally, but – 42:14.220 --> 42:15.280 No comment. 42:16.200 --> 42:18.580 We want to represent everybody's point of view here, you know. 42:18.660 --> 42:19.060 Exactly. 42:19.940 --> 42:22.900 Even for those who might not be here, we can play devil's advocate. 42:23.200 --> 42:23.740 Yes, yes. 42:23.740 --> 42:32.240 So, now, actually what goes on at 2600 meetings can – like I said, this can be completely various 42:32.240 --> 42:35.400 because Boston, we are very, very informal. 42:35.580 --> 42:40.380 I don't think we have a main topic hardly ever or actually some type of organized system. 42:41.280 --> 42:45.420 Koresh has actually just started doing an agenda, which is completely foreign to us. 42:46.080 --> 42:50.280 And I don't even think he likes doing it because when did we actually start doing it? 42:51.500 --> 42:52.500 Last meeting? 42:52.500 --> 42:53.180 Not too long ago. 42:53.740 --> 42:57.640 Well, no, I think we started like around 10, 15 after we got kicked out of the food court. 42:58.500 --> 42:59.200 Oh, yes. 42:59.680 --> 43:03.960 And our meeting starts around 5, so we can tell how long we've been postponing this. 43:06.540 --> 43:07.460 That's okay, though. 43:08.100 --> 43:09.340 At least something gets accomplished. 43:10.340 --> 43:12.020 Los Angeles is pretty informal. 43:12.140 --> 43:16.440 The way it works in Los Angeles is we meet from 5 to 7 at Union Station. 43:16.440 --> 43:25.540 Then we meet at Philippe's, which is the restaurant, which is supposedly the birthplace of the French dip sandwich, just up the street from 7 to 10. 43:26.200 --> 43:33.640 And then from 10 to whenever the last person decides to go home, we meet at Denny's around the corner. 43:34.800 --> 43:35.640 Oh, Denny's. 43:35.640 --> 43:37.020 Yeah, Denny's. 43:37.020 --> 43:39.580 You've got some class down there in L.A., don't you? 43:39.920 --> 43:40.300 Oh, yeah. 43:40.920 --> 43:43.440 Well, I mean, heck, I think it would be great if we had a Denny's like that. 43:43.740 --> 43:49.780 What actually is really cool is they have honest-to-goodness Internet access down in L.A., which is absolutely amazing. 43:50.220 --> 43:50.540 Oh, yeah. 43:50.580 --> 43:51.380 They have a Denny's? 43:51.380 --> 43:52.140 No, no, no. 43:52.200 --> 43:53.680 At Philippe's, there's Wi-Fi. 43:54.660 --> 43:55.300 Oh, okay. 43:55.580 --> 44:10.500 When Ratchet and I gave our preview of our asterisk talk to our 2600 meetings, we connected via Wi-Fi at Philippe's, and he was there on speakerphone via VoIP the whole time, co-presenting with me in Los Angeles. 44:11.220 --> 44:13.540 Yes, I was fejering that one. 44:14.640 --> 44:18.060 So 2600, I guess you could say, is fairly informal. 44:18.060 --> 44:30.900 Yeah, we do tend to have at least, you know, an announcement phase, and we have a talk with a topic of some variety, although they tend to vary as far as what we talk about. 44:31.020 --> 44:35.860 Sometimes we have really technical topics, you know, like security. 44:36.260 --> 44:38.940 One time someone did RSA by hand as a talk. 44:40.040 --> 44:41.960 Someone's done a talk on smart cards. 44:42.280 --> 44:44.200 And other times we have more informal talks. 44:44.200 --> 44:52.160 Since this most recent meeting, we had a talk about tattoo machines and how they work, and we tattooed potatoes. 44:53.640 --> 44:58.580 And see, and this is the cool thing about 2600, because basically you can go up there and give a talk about anything. 44:59.000 --> 45:00.240 It doesn't have to be computer-related. 45:00.400 --> 45:00.980 People will listen. 45:01.120 --> 45:03.620 I mean, I think it'd actually be pretty cool to tattoo a potato. 45:03.980 --> 45:04.280 Oh, yeah. 45:04.400 --> 45:05.600 Really freak out. 45:05.600 --> 45:14.500 In fact, if you go to LA2600.org, there are photos of us tattooing the potatoes, and you can see a photo of me holding the one that says cat sex. 45:16.580 --> 45:17.180 That's nice. 45:17.840 --> 45:19.020 I'll have to check that out, though. 45:19.580 --> 45:20.680 Real appropriate, Strom. 45:21.260 --> 45:21.700 Yeah. 45:22.060 --> 45:22.240 Yeah. 45:22.500 --> 45:25.040 Strom has a cat sex obsession, in case anyone hasn't told. 45:25.040 --> 45:29.240 Well, the cat sex thing came out of Los Angeles 2600, so it's not surprising. 45:29.240 --> 45:29.700 See, look at that. 45:29.780 --> 45:32.520 Go to 2600 and learn about cat sex. 45:32.580 --> 45:32.700 Yes. 45:32.920 --> 45:36.080 That we as a group decided to first tattoo into the potato. 45:36.880 --> 45:37.420 Ah, I see. 45:37.620 --> 45:39.580 Okay, so I guess Strom isn't completely guilty there. 45:39.940 --> 45:40.100 No. 45:40.740 --> 45:42.560 And you wonder why the media will get down on us. 45:43.280 --> 45:43.580 Yes. 45:43.580 --> 45:58.540 So, another group out of there that sort of spread it out from 2600 is DEFCON groups, which is based off of the DEFCON conference down in Nevada, Las Vegas, wherever it is. 45:58.540 --> 45:59.480 Nevada, ask Brad. 45:59.860 --> 46:00.640 Nevada, whatever. 46:00.780 --> 46:01.100 Nevada. 46:02.960 --> 46:04.800 It's that whole East Coast, West Coast thing. 46:05.760 --> 46:08.700 DEFCON groups, from what I can tell, are a bit more organized. 46:09.120 --> 46:11.420 They actually try and have a nice structured talk. 46:11.420 --> 46:16.380 I know this is the way in L.A., and I've actually heard this from – oh, shoot, where is that person? 46:16.860 --> 46:17.600 I completely forget. 46:20.120 --> 46:22.640 Some other group, and they actually have organized meetings. 46:23.760 --> 46:25.720 And someone actually picks out a topic. 46:26.000 --> 46:30.600 I believe Los Angeles – sorry, DC213 actually has a cookout beforehand, right? 46:30.600 --> 46:31.740 Yeah, that would be my meeting. 46:31.840 --> 46:32.900 I run DC213. 46:33.340 --> 46:33.740 Fijir. 46:34.040 --> 46:34.340 Fijir. 46:34.700 --> 46:37.580 So, yeah, probably best if I explain it, isn't it? 46:37.800 --> 46:38.200 Yes. 46:38.200 --> 46:52.980 What we do is we – one of our members works at a really awesome place that does a lot of consulting and design and theory R&D for the military, which is in this really cool building, so – 46:52.980 --> 46:53.220 He's a fad. 46:53.220 --> 46:53.920 Which has a courtyard. 46:54.800 --> 46:55.060 What? 46:55.460 --> 46:56.220 He's a fad. 46:56.220 --> 46:58.440 I'm a fad by association. 47:00.440 --> 47:03.160 So, no, in the courtyard, we start off with a cookout. 47:03.340 --> 47:08.120 So we have, you know, hamburgers and hot dogs and all sorts of cool stuff and sodas. 47:08.220 --> 47:09.340 We chat for a bit. 47:09.640 --> 47:16.340 Then we go upstairs, and we actually have use of a conference room with a projector, and we have a talk in the conference room. 47:16.860 --> 47:19.360 And they've been on really interesting technical topics. 47:19.360 --> 47:23.480 They've – we've had one on the history of cryptography. 47:23.700 --> 47:27.520 We have – we've had one on human fleet cycles. 47:28.200 --> 47:28.560 I'm sorry? 47:28.840 --> 47:29.740 Was Stephen Levy there? 47:30.320 --> 47:31.580 Unfortunately, he wasn't. 47:31.660 --> 47:35.180 We did, however, have Alan Turing in a coffee can. 47:37.140 --> 47:38.280 Well, that's always handy. 47:38.560 --> 47:39.480 I have two of those. 47:40.440 --> 47:41.940 They come in six-packs, don't you know? 47:42.200 --> 47:42.980 Yes, yes, yes. 47:42.980 --> 47:46.420 But, no, we've had cryptography. 47:46.620 --> 47:50.260 We've had human sleep patterns. 47:50.720 --> 47:54.840 We've had a talk on neurolinguistic programming, all sorts of really interesting talks. 47:55.100 --> 48:03.820 And it's actually been my goal to record them and put the talks up on the DC213 website, although, to be honest, I haven't been as vigilant with that as I've meant to be. 48:04.060 --> 48:04.960 No, you haven't. 48:05.240 --> 48:05.460 No. 48:05.640 --> 48:09.400 But I do have the mini-discs lying around somewhere, so I will get those up soon. 48:09.400 --> 48:17.580 So go to – whenever Strom gets off his ass, go to DC213.org and remark at their crappy website because Strom sucks. 48:18.380 --> 48:22.960 Well, I threw it up, you know, just hastily at some point, and I haven't bothered to make anything nicer. 48:23.480 --> 48:24.040 Sure, sure. 48:24.140 --> 48:24.800 Excuses, excuses. 48:25.540 --> 48:36.560 But, no, it's a pretty cool meeting, and we're – the way it kind of works is, you know, the majority of – there's a lot of overlap between the groups that attend LA2600 and DC213. 48:36.560 --> 48:42.940 So the way we've kind of decided to work is to have the two meetings work together in synergy with each other. 48:43.360 --> 48:50.760 LA2600 is the more informal, social kind of hangout and talk and have fun talks meeting. 48:51.040 --> 48:55.040 And then DC213 is the more formal, technical meeting of the two. 48:57.020 --> 48:57.820 Makes sense. 48:57.820 --> 49:05.060 So if you're listening and you're in the Los Angeles area, you can come to both of these. 49:05.160 --> 49:07.740 LA2600 meets – I'm just going to shamelessly plug mine. 49:08.100 --> 49:13.760 LA2600 meets first Friday of the month, Philippe's Union Station and Denny's downtown. 49:14.300 --> 49:15.560 Go to LA2600.org. 49:16.000 --> 49:16.440 Yeah, yeah. 49:16.520 --> 49:19.440 We'll talk about this and how to find your meetings. 49:19.540 --> 49:20.600 That's how some are going top. 49:20.860 --> 49:21.160 Okay. 49:21.220 --> 49:22.640 Well, then why don't we just mark the time? 49:22.740 --> 49:23.640 I can edit that out. 49:23.820 --> 49:24.160 Whatever. 49:24.300 --> 49:24.880 We'll figure that out. 49:24.880 --> 49:33.680 So anyway, the next meeting we're going to talk about is BINREV meetings, which is a fairly newcomer on the scene. 49:33.800 --> 49:38.880 I believe there's only about three or four, and I've attempted to get one started in Boston, 49:38.940 --> 49:42.600 and I failed miserably, much to my own fault because I don't try hard enough. 49:42.600 --> 49:54.880 Well, Stang started the idea of BINREV meetings for basically have something that's a little more – I guess you could say it's a little more DEF CON-y than 2600-y. 49:55.140 --> 49:56.820 I guess you could kind of say that. 49:56.880 --> 49:58.440 That's kind of making up words as we go along. 49:58.440 --> 50:08.380 Anyway, it was just something where you can basically gather anybody from anywhere, like any walks of life. 50:08.520 --> 50:13.140 If you even have a general inkling of computers or technology, come on down. 50:13.280 --> 50:13.800 We'll have you. 50:13.800 --> 50:26.660 And I think, for example, the BR561, which is somewhere in Florida where he is, it's rather taking off. 50:26.740 --> 50:31.080 They have about 18 people there, and they've only been there for about two months, which in my opinion is completely amazing. 50:31.340 --> 50:33.140 And heck, even Stang is saying that's completely amazing. 50:33.140 --> 50:36.120 And that's what it is. 50:37.060 --> 50:41.580 If you want to start a BINREV meeting, and, like, for example, if you want to try to get something a little more organized, 50:41.700 --> 50:46.540 you're not completely happy with your 2600 group, or just, heck, you want to meet with more geeks more times, 50:47.220 --> 50:51.340 I'm trying to start Boston the third Sunday of the month, which is third Friday of the month, 50:52.480 --> 50:54.560 just so we can, you know, meet up more often. 50:54.900 --> 50:56.180 But we'll get into it. 50:56.180 --> 50:57.760 So what is it, third Sunday or third Friday? 50:58.060 --> 50:59.160 Third Friday, third Friday. 50:59.480 --> 51:00.180 I was confusing. 51:00.500 --> 51:00.840 Third Friday. 51:00.840 --> 51:02.500 Why do you guys always do it on Fridays? 51:03.140 --> 51:06.880 Because everyone's cracking out and whining out, and you can stay out late and do stuff. 51:07.220 --> 51:09.340 Yeah, actually, we ran into this problem. 51:09.560 --> 51:15.400 When I took over DC 2 and 3, one of the kind of – one of the problems we were having with it 51:15.400 --> 51:19.800 was we couldn't exactly decide if the meeting was working on Friday and whether or not it should be rescheduled. 51:20.100 --> 51:23.520 So we looked into rescheduling the meeting from being the third Friday of every month. 51:24.240 --> 51:25.860 And, you know, we talked about it. 51:25.900 --> 51:28.240 We went back and forth and tried to figure out what people do. 51:29.240 --> 51:32.860 And the end result was that the meeting moved from being the third Friday of every month 51:32.860 --> 51:34.220 to being the third Friday of every month. 51:35.720 --> 51:40.680 It just happens to work best, at least here, that Friday is work. 51:40.840 --> 51:45.640 I think the explanation is that Friday is close enough to the end of the work week 51:45.640 --> 51:50.040 where people can come directly from work and chill out and relax. 51:50.040 --> 51:53.680 And it's at the beginning of the weekend, so you can stay up late. 51:54.160 --> 52:00.020 But if you do – people tend to schedule things on Saturdays and Sundays, social events. 52:00.460 --> 52:01.000 Yep, yep. 52:01.740 --> 52:04.980 And, I mean, even if it isn't the third Friday, you can do it anyway. 52:05.520 --> 52:09.700 2600 meets first Friday of the month, but there's groups out there that meet sometime else. 52:09.700 --> 52:14.260 It's up to you guys, meaning the listeners, of course. 52:14.880 --> 52:15.700 It's all up to you. 52:15.780 --> 52:21.080 If you want to start a meeting that's – heck, just start an informal meeting and branch it off from there. 52:21.180 --> 52:25.540 If you want to meet on Sunday at 2 p.m., go out for brunch, have some mimosas, go right ahead. 52:25.980 --> 52:28.740 And do Tuesday at 10 a.m. at your college. 52:29.320 --> 52:30.140 Yeah, that works. 52:30.140 --> 52:31.060 Yeah, that works. 52:31.440 --> 52:31.700 Mm-hmm. 52:32.840 --> 52:35.280 So, BINREV meetings, let's go to that. 52:35.620 --> 52:37.740 And we're constantly – they're constantly looking for new people. 52:37.920 --> 52:41.640 I mean, I'm still trying to set up Boston, but that's slow-going because I'm lazy and I'm doing this show. 52:43.940 --> 52:48.580 So, just go out on there and set it up and set it up. 52:48.660 --> 52:49.920 It's BINREVmeetings.com. 52:50.020 --> 52:52.200 We'll just – we'll talk about that again later, but go right there. 52:53.040 --> 52:59.800 Another interesting group that never really receives much interest from the hacker community is the amateur radio community. 53:00.720 --> 53:03.740 Amateur radio, a lot of people think, is just a bunch of crusty old guys. 53:03.740 --> 53:06.460 And for the most part, it's true. 53:06.660 --> 53:12.280 There are a lot of crusty old guys out there, but there's people like me who go to meetings and I head out. 53:12.920 --> 53:19.520 It's actually the second Monday of the month, the North Shore Radio Association, for anyone who's curious. 53:20.320 --> 53:25.800 I go out there and they have topics on radio, but I've also introduced people to computer stuff. 53:25.800 --> 53:32.900 And it's – they may not be computer geeks, but they definitely are techies, and I've learned a lot of stuff from them. 53:33.460 --> 53:39.400 Like, I had no idea how to solder before I started going to the meetings, and someone actually took me under their wing and taught me how to solder. 53:40.860 --> 53:43.680 And I've learned crazy stuff from there. 53:43.880 --> 53:51.900 I mean, radio is an infinitely cool subject for geeks, and I'm surprised how little coverage it actually gets. 53:51.900 --> 53:54.120 It's kind of sad and disappointing. 53:56.500 --> 54:00.480 Of course, also, the venerable Linux user groups meetings. 54:01.040 --> 54:02.420 Linux user groups are everywhere. 54:02.760 --> 54:03.700 They're like cockroaches. 54:03.800 --> 54:06.000 For every one you actually find, there's ten you don't. 54:07.320 --> 54:10.380 I believe there's at least four or five in Boston. 54:10.520 --> 54:13.040 There's the main one, which is the Boston Linux user group. 54:13.040 --> 54:19.860 And there's also at least one for every college. 54:19.960 --> 54:21.480 I believe there's an MIT Unix group. 54:22.500 --> 54:29.780 I know there's a university called Northeastern, and I believe their university group is called Lugnut. 54:29.920 --> 54:34.740 I think it's a Linux user group for Northeastern university techies. 54:34.820 --> 54:38.440 And the only reason I remember that is because I found it highly amusing with their names. 54:38.440 --> 54:45.060 Linux user groups are very much – they're a bit more structured. 54:45.240 --> 54:50.440 Everyone, they try to have a topic every month, and they talk about something, whether it be kernel pointers. 54:50.760 --> 54:55.240 I believe my group actually did something on EFF last month. 54:56.780 --> 55:01.280 And they do all kinds of crazy subjects, of course, all of which are related to either computer or Linux. 55:01.400 --> 55:05.980 They're really not hacker-orientated in the KRAB SkipCriti form. 55:05.980 --> 55:10.140 But, for example, if you want to go out there and talk tech, there's a ton of people out there. 55:13.420 --> 55:19.560 Another group is there's – my personal one that I'm in – I don't actually go to the meetings, but I know about in Boston. 55:19.900 --> 55:23.540 It's called the Perlmongers group, and basically what they are are pro programmers. 55:24.100 --> 55:26.100 And there are some infinitely talented people. 55:26.260 --> 55:32.900 I hang out on their mailing list, and some of the code they actually produce just blows me out of the water for stuff I do. 55:32.900 --> 55:36.000 And there's also a lot of other code groups out there. 55:36.260 --> 55:41.020 Like, I know there's a – there's actually a FoxPro programming group in Boston. 55:41.940 --> 55:46.220 FoxPro is an ancient database language from about, oh, 1990 or so. 55:46.900 --> 55:50.760 And it's grown, but I believe Microsoft is finally ending support on it. 55:51.100 --> 55:57.140 But there are a lot of companies out there that still hire FoxPro programmers because their incredibly old database application needs an upgrade. 55:57.140 --> 55:59.840 And they're too late to actually port it over to someplace else. 56:00.420 --> 56:04.700 One of the jobs I was doing last week, they asked me to, you know, up-updating the server. 56:04.900 --> 56:05.560 We're doing all this. 56:05.940 --> 56:11.100 So I'm digging through files and folders and going through and looking through stuff, and I'm like, what kind of files are these? 56:11.820 --> 56:13.440 God, I don't know what the heck this stuff is. 56:13.480 --> 56:18.480 And I go and look it up online, and sure enough, it's FoxPro stuff from 1992. 56:20.480 --> 56:22.300 You haven't referenced it in 13 years. 56:22.360 --> 56:23.600 You probably still need it anymore. 56:23.600 --> 56:39.340 No, we – my – not in my place of business, but a group that we're closely affiliated with, they still have a FoxPro database that they have been running since, I think, 1992 is the date of the copyright on it. 56:40.040 --> 56:40.680 It is old. 56:40.980 --> 56:46.680 It is – we basically – there's a programmer that supported it for the past 13 years. 56:47.200 --> 56:51.000 And he retired in 2000, and they've been having him on contract. 56:51.000 --> 56:54.960 He dials in from Montana to program on it. 56:56.680 --> 56:57.160 Classic. 56:57.480 --> 56:57.720 Yeah. 56:57.920 --> 56:59.400 It's amazing. 56:59.620 --> 57:01.180 I never thought this actually would happen. 57:01.600 --> 57:06.460 I always heard horror stories, but I never actually thought I'd run into it, and sure enough, I have. 57:06.580 --> 57:07.300 It's weird. 57:07.460 --> 57:11.500 It's terrifying that they actually have a database that spans Bush administrations. 57:13.380 --> 57:15.360 It more than spans Bush administrations. 57:15.460 --> 57:17.080 It spans the Clinton administration as well. 57:17.080 --> 57:19.080 Yes, both of them, both of the Bush administrations. 57:19.340 --> 57:21.260 Oh, I see where you're driving at. 57:21.420 --> 57:22.800 Ah, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. 57:24.520 --> 57:29.060 So I guess the question everyone's asking now is, okay, are there meetings in my area? 57:29.200 --> 57:29.840 Where can I go? 57:30.200 --> 57:31.020 Where can I sign up? 57:31.120 --> 57:31.880 Where do I find them? 57:32.500 --> 57:34.300 So we have a handy-dandy list. 57:35.760 --> 57:37.940 And we have 2,600 – handy-dandy. 57:38.040 --> 57:38.760 2,600. 57:39.300 --> 57:43.660 They have – they're on their website, 2,600.com slash meetings. 57:44.940 --> 57:48.480 Now, binrev meetings are binrevmeetings.com. 57:49.260 --> 57:56.180 And there's a list out there, and there's – basically, what you would want to do is you want to go to your area code. 57:56.280 --> 57:58.980 For example, I would have 617.binrevmeetings.com. 57:59.400 --> 58:03.460 I believe the one that is really active is 561.binrevmeetings.com. 58:03.460 --> 58:05.400 But, like I said, set up your own. 58:05.500 --> 58:05.900 Get out there. 58:06.000 --> 58:06.300 Do it. 58:07.980 --> 58:08.760 DEFCON groups. 58:09.160 --> 58:15.460 That would be tinyurl.com slash 7whiskeyquebecuniform7. 58:17.240 --> 58:18.000 Amateur radio. 58:18.160 --> 58:19.140 There's a group out there. 58:19.260 --> 58:20.560 It's called the ARRL. 58:20.680 --> 58:22.720 It stands for the American Radio Relay League. 58:23.380 --> 58:28.140 And they basically have a club list of about 2,800 clubs scattered across the U.S. 58:28.920 --> 58:30.060 It might be Canada, too. 58:30.100 --> 58:30.560 I'm not sure. 58:30.560 --> 58:36.260 Anyway, but they are an American organization, so I'm not sure if they're international or anything. 58:37.080 --> 58:42.420 That would be tinyurl.com slash alphasierralima92. 58:43.180 --> 58:47.820 And for those of you ever curious, where I picked up all my phonetics from was from amateur radio. 58:48.520 --> 58:52.160 So if you ever want to talk cool like me, just join ham radio. 58:53.960 --> 58:59.020 Your lugs and your Unix groups and your code groups, look at Google. 58:59.340 --> 59:00.360 That's the only way to do it. 59:00.360 --> 59:03.940 Look for, like, you know, East Poughkeepsie Linux or something. 59:04.140 --> 59:05.340 You might find something. 59:05.720 --> 59:05.880 East Poughkeepsie. 59:05.880 --> 59:07.320 Or, yeah, East Poughkeepsie. 59:07.420 --> 59:07.860 Oh, I don't know. 59:08.100 --> 59:09.700 White Plains Linux Association. 59:10.000 --> 59:11.340 914-11. 59:14.020 --> 59:17.080 Pearlmongers actually does have their own website. 59:17.240 --> 59:21.140 That's www.pmpapamike.org. 59:21.140 --> 59:23.320 And they have all kinds of stuff. 59:23.840 --> 59:24.640 That's international. 59:24.860 --> 59:26.520 There's stuff from Madrid, London. 59:26.680 --> 59:28.740 I believe London is one of the largest groups they have. 59:28.740 --> 59:34.200 And also, I mean, if you look at these groups and there isn't one in your area, start one. 59:34.720 --> 59:35.800 Preferably a bin rev meeting. 59:35.980 --> 59:37.120 We're going to plug ourselves here. 59:38.260 --> 59:39.760 You're not the only one in your area. 59:40.640 --> 59:42.940 Don't think that you are because there are people out there. 59:43.300 --> 59:47.280 Hey, what you might want to do is, if you want to start your own meeting, pick a time, pick a place. 59:48.220 --> 59:54.380 Go to Kinko's, make up some really cheap-ass flyers on your coffee machine, and start posting them around. 59:54.500 --> 59:55.480 Post them in coffee shops. 59:55.600 --> 59:59.940 Post them on the community bulletin boards, and you'll find people, believe it or not. 59:59.980 --> 01:00:00.940 It may take a while. 01:00:02.940 --> 01:00:03.840 You know, whatever. 01:00:04.180 --> 01:00:06.740 And I guess we can – should we plug our own meetings? 01:00:07.780 --> 01:00:08.080 Yeah, sure. 01:00:08.160 --> 01:00:08.500 Why not? 01:00:10.000 --> 01:00:15.320 I'll let – Koresh, you're much more involved in Boston 2600 than I am, so I'll let you go first. 01:00:15.320 --> 01:00:17.420 All right, all right. 01:00:17.980 --> 01:00:21.640 First Friday of every month, Prudential Food Court. 01:00:21.880 --> 01:00:24.440 If you don't know where the Prudential is, you just look up in the sky. 01:00:24.540 --> 01:00:25.420 It's the really big one. 01:00:26.540 --> 01:00:28.300 Food Court, nice outside. 01:00:28.400 --> 01:00:29.060 We're on the patio. 01:00:29.620 --> 01:00:32.480 This is in Boston, by the way, in case you were wondering. 01:00:33.340 --> 01:00:34.720 This is in Boston, yes. 01:00:35.220 --> 01:00:36.260 Of course it's in Boston. 01:00:36.320 --> 01:00:36.900 Where else would it be? 01:00:36.980 --> 01:00:41.980 Well, you didn't mention that beforehand, so maybe someone in Texas might be looking for a food court at the Prudential building. 01:00:42.880 --> 01:00:44.260 The other meetings don't matter. 01:00:45.060 --> 01:00:45.300 Thanks. 01:00:46.100 --> 01:00:49.200 If you're in Texas, fly out to Boston, because we're cool like that. 01:00:49.860 --> 01:00:50.220 Exactly. 01:00:50.440 --> 01:00:51.920 I mean, who would want to hang out in Texas anyway? 01:00:53.300 --> 01:00:53.860 George Bush. 01:00:55.260 --> 01:00:56.900 No, he doesn't want to hang out there anymore. 01:00:57.000 --> 01:00:57.980 None of the refugees there. 01:00:58.040 --> 01:00:58.680 You didn't hear Barbara? 01:01:00.720 --> 01:01:01.740 Okay, we're going political. 01:01:01.880 --> 01:01:02.360 Let's stay away. 01:01:04.280 --> 01:01:08.500 First Friday every month, about 6 o'clock. 01:01:09.180 --> 01:01:16.200 We get together, hang out, eat terrible food court food, and talk until, I don't know, it's way too late. 01:01:16.660 --> 01:01:19.120 Yeah, we usually stay until at least about 10 or 11. 01:01:19.800 --> 01:01:20.180 Yeah, definitely. 01:01:20.440 --> 01:01:21.600 We go late. 01:01:21.980 --> 01:01:25.040 And at which point, we usually get kicked out of the food court before the meeting ends. 01:01:25.380 --> 01:01:27.780 So, that's how that usually works on. 01:01:28.020 --> 01:01:28.580 Yeah, exactly. 01:01:29.540 --> 01:01:34.640 I definitely think a Boston BINREV meeting would be interesting now, so we should definitely set one of those up. 01:01:34.640 --> 01:01:40.120 If you're interested in a Boston BINREV meeting, either email me, or heck, come to Boston 2600. 01:01:40.220 --> 01:01:40.920 I'm usually there. 01:01:41.600 --> 01:01:46.260 I think I've missed one meeting so far since I started going, and that's because I was out of state. 01:01:47.360 --> 01:01:48.580 So, just swing on by. 01:01:48.660 --> 01:01:49.700 I mean, come to the 2600 meeting. 01:01:49.800 --> 01:01:51.420 If nothing else, just, hey, meet me. 01:01:51.480 --> 01:01:52.440 I'll give you an autograph or something. 01:01:52.500 --> 01:01:52.800 I don't know. 01:01:54.400 --> 01:01:55.740 Should we talk about L.A.? 01:01:55.740 --> 01:01:57.880 Because L.A. sucks, but I guess we should. 01:01:58.560 --> 01:02:00.200 Yeah, good old Los Angeles. 01:02:00.200 --> 01:02:08.800 L.A. 2600 meets on the first Friday of every month, starting at 5 p.m. at Union Station downtown. 01:02:10.460 --> 01:02:12.340 From 5 to 7, we meet there. 01:02:12.460 --> 01:02:18.040 We meet by the payphones in the – there's a main hall at the Union Station. 01:02:18.180 --> 01:02:21.720 There's payphones off to one side, near the front entrance. 01:02:21.860 --> 01:02:24.680 We meet kind of outside of those, if the weather permits. 01:02:24.760 --> 01:02:26.260 If it gets too cold, we go inside. 01:02:26.580 --> 01:02:29.860 But it's generally always warm enough in Los Angeles for us to be outside. 01:02:29.860 --> 01:02:32.100 Yeah, cold in L.A. is like 60 degrees. 01:02:33.960 --> 01:02:37.380 No, it gets down to 52 here occasionally. 01:02:38.860 --> 01:02:45.240 And then at 7 p.m., generally maybe a few minutes earlier if we don't think anyone else is going to come, 01:02:45.700 --> 01:02:50.260 we go to Philippe's just up the street at 1001 North Alameda in Los Angeles. 01:02:50.260 --> 01:02:55.900 And we're there from 7 to 10, taking over the back room and eating sandwiches. 01:02:56.620 --> 01:03:00.920 And usually there's some sort of flea market-esque thing where someone's giving away some old hardware. 01:03:00.920 --> 01:03:08.860 And then from 10 p.m. onwards, we've stayed as late as the sun coming up. 01:03:09.540 --> 01:03:16.740 We go to Denny's, which is on Ramirez Street, just through the Cesar Chavez Street tunnel. 01:03:18.000 --> 01:03:20.900 So they're very nice to us at that, Denny's. 01:03:20.900 --> 01:03:25.200 We occupy the entire back room, and they set that off for us every month. 01:03:26.300 --> 01:03:26.960 Wow, that's pretty cool. 01:03:27.260 --> 01:03:28.260 Yeah, it's very nice. 01:03:28.900 --> 01:03:32.900 So anyway, boston2600.org or la2600.org. 01:03:33.600 --> 01:03:33.780 Right. 01:03:33.900 --> 01:03:35.720 And don't forget also DC213. 01:03:36.120 --> 01:03:37.560 Oh, yeah, you've got that one to plug, don't you? 01:03:38.220 --> 01:03:39.120 Hey, it's my meeting. 01:03:39.180 --> 01:03:39.720 I can plug it. 01:03:39.720 --> 01:03:44.020 We tend to meet the third Friday of every month. 01:03:44.120 --> 01:03:48.180 But if you're listening this week, there is no meeting this week because of TourCon in San Diego. 01:03:48.540 --> 01:03:52.180 So most of us will be at TourCon, and DC213 is not going to happen. 01:03:52.980 --> 01:03:58.540 But we meet at Systems Technology Incorporated in Hawthorne. 01:03:58.740 --> 01:04:03.200 If you go to DC213.org, you can look up details there. 01:04:03.200 --> 01:04:08.300 We tend to meet at like 7 or 8-ish p.m. at Systems Tech Inc. 01:04:08.300 --> 01:04:14.360 In fact, if you watch, I think, I forget exactly where in Pulp Fiction it is, 01:04:14.460 --> 01:04:17.340 but where they're walking around outside the diner, 01:04:17.940 --> 01:04:20.820 in the background of that shot, you can see Systems Technology Inc. 01:04:22.660 --> 01:04:23.060 Yeah. 01:04:23.720 --> 01:04:24.200 Okay. 01:04:24.860 --> 01:04:27.940 Let me go fire up Pulp Fiction so I can find out where DC213 is. 01:04:28.500 --> 01:04:30.640 No, just go to DC213.org. 01:04:30.640 --> 01:04:42.740 And both LA2600 and DC213 have a mailing list that you can join and chatter with us about everything from computers to everything else. 01:04:43.100 --> 01:04:43.200 Yeah. 01:04:43.260 --> 01:04:44.860 Boston 2600 also has a mailing list. 01:04:44.940 --> 01:04:51.480 Please join it and chatter on it because it's nowhere near as active as where we want it. 01:04:51.480 --> 01:04:57.500 So, at this point, I'm going to toss keys over to Koresh because we've been talking about meetings, 01:04:57.720 --> 01:05:03.680 and Boston 2600 has a couple of projects that are meeting-related for a more general sense. 01:05:04.660 --> 01:05:05.460 Meeting-related? 01:05:06.020 --> 01:05:10.480 Well, they're kind of meetings as in the general scheme of things. 01:05:11.580 --> 01:05:15.000 As in, if there wasn't any meetings, you wouldn't be having this project in the first place. 01:05:15.780 --> 01:05:17.200 Communications between meetings. 01:05:17.200 --> 01:05:17.280 Oh, yeah. 01:05:17.280 --> 01:05:17.960 How about that? 01:05:19.020 --> 01:05:20.140 Very important. 01:05:21.480 --> 01:05:22.540 You ready? 01:05:23.340 --> 01:05:24.300 Yeah, it's all you, man. 01:05:24.900 --> 01:05:25.760 Okay, I couldn't hear you. 01:05:25.800 --> 01:05:26.620 I thought my phone cut out again. 01:05:26.880 --> 01:05:27.020 Oh. 01:05:27.880 --> 01:05:32.000 So, the first thing we've got going on here is called 2600 United. 01:05:33.560 --> 01:05:39.560 www.boston2600.org slash 2600 United. 01:05:40.600 --> 01:05:45.860 What we've got going on is we're trying to get everyone from the different meetings to come together, 01:05:46.160 --> 01:05:50.260 talk, maybe on IRC, maybe on a bulletin board we set up, 01:05:50.260 --> 01:05:52.980 talk about your meetings, talk about what you guys have going on, 01:05:53.160 --> 01:05:56.580 perhaps, you know, create some discussion between groups, 01:05:57.160 --> 01:05:59.920 meet some new people in time for hope next summer. 01:06:00.680 --> 01:06:01.700 Should be a good time. 01:06:01.760 --> 01:06:04.400 But, yeah, we want to find out where the meetings are happening, where they're not. 01:06:04.480 --> 01:06:07.620 I mean, just because there's a meetings page doesn't mean there's actually a meeting taking place. 01:06:08.160 --> 01:06:08.340 Yes. 01:06:08.340 --> 01:06:10.840 And there's probably meetings that are happening that people don't know about 01:06:10.840 --> 01:06:14.820 because no one's thought to send an email to 2600 and let them know. 01:06:14.820 --> 01:06:19.440 So, Ratchett, anything else you want to toss in there about the United? 01:06:20.360 --> 01:06:25.300 Well, I think I'm going to want to talk about – that's something that I didn't mention on the thing. 01:06:25.720 --> 01:06:30.860 The list for the meetings, especially in 2600, certain meetings just don't exist anymore, 01:06:31.040 --> 01:06:34.840 and 2600 is kind of questionable on how often they update that list. 01:06:35.240 --> 01:06:40.220 Like, for example, Minnesota 2600, I have on good authority from one of my friends 01:06:40.220 --> 01:06:42.540 that apparently they do not meet. 01:06:42.700 --> 01:06:47.340 It's about two or three people, and they don't officially meet at the place where they say they meet. 01:06:47.960 --> 01:06:50.920 And he went to – attempted to go to two meetings and not find anybody. 01:06:51.540 --> 01:06:55.640 Yeah, if your group has a mailing list, it might be a good idea to get on the mailing list and say, 01:06:55.720 --> 01:06:58.060 hey, where do you guys meet, just to be sure. 01:06:58.800 --> 01:07:02.820 Yes, and also they have a forum, but I don't – I think when he went on, 01:07:02.880 --> 01:07:05.320 the last person that posted was about six months before he checked. 01:07:06.260 --> 01:07:09.160 So that should have been a warning beforehand, but he was least hopeful. 01:07:09.160 --> 01:07:11.940 Yeah, and sometimes there are breakdowns in communication. 01:07:12.240 --> 01:07:17.880 A story that I get told about Los Angeles is at some point in – a couple of years ago, 01:07:18.300 --> 01:07:22.000 the group decided to stop going to Union Station because no one was ever showing up there. 01:07:22.320 --> 01:07:24.940 So they met from five onwards at Philippe's. 01:07:25.440 --> 01:07:29.420 And then apparently some people started meeting at Union Station. 01:07:29.580 --> 01:07:35.460 So for I think two years, there was a – there were two parallel Los Angeles 2600 meetings going on 01:07:35.460 --> 01:07:42.840 that didn't know about each other until I think one day someone – some of them decided to go down to Union Station 01:07:42.840 --> 01:07:44.680 and see if anyone was there. 01:07:44.800 --> 01:07:45.880 And they said, are you 2600? 01:07:45.980 --> 01:07:46.260 Yeah. 01:07:46.480 --> 01:07:47.280 Oh, we are too. 01:07:48.500 --> 01:07:50.900 And that's where the two meetings merged back again. 01:07:51.240 --> 01:07:51.340 But – 01:07:51.340 --> 01:07:53.760 See, this is what we want to accomplish with 2600 United. 01:07:53.860 --> 01:07:54.820 Everyone can figure it out. 01:07:54.880 --> 01:07:58.300 If someone joins the 2600 United list, they'll find out about that. 01:07:58.300 --> 01:08:04.860 And it's also good for people who might live in a very rural area who can't exactly drive the three-and-a-half hours 01:08:04.860 --> 01:08:09.480 to a meeting once a month or whatever the deal is to stay in contact with other people that are going to meetings 01:08:09.480 --> 01:08:11.800 that are involved in the community, stuff like that. 01:08:12.840 --> 01:08:13.200 Exactly. 01:08:13.320 --> 01:08:14.760 So it's definitely a good idea. 01:08:14.860 --> 01:08:16.500 Post your projects, post your ideas. 01:08:17.000 --> 01:08:20.640 Perhaps get a little friendly competition going in time for hope next year. 01:08:21.600 --> 01:08:22.840 I think it could be a good time. 01:08:22.960 --> 01:08:25.260 Hopefully people will get interested, get involved. 01:08:25.540 --> 01:08:26.720 So what's the web address again? 01:08:26.720 --> 01:08:34.220 And www.boston2600.org slash 2600 United. 01:08:34.880 --> 01:08:39.000 Just a simple page giving what we want to do, what we want to accomplish, and some contact information. 01:08:39.740 --> 01:08:43.500 If you need the email, it's 2600United at gmail.com. 01:08:43.720 --> 01:08:43.960 Okay. 01:08:44.040 --> 01:08:45.240 That's the next thing I was going to ask. 01:08:46.200 --> 01:08:46.440 Yep. 01:08:46.620 --> 01:08:53.360 And then I'd also make a point of checking back from time to time to see if new things have happened 01:08:53.360 --> 01:08:54.380 and updates and such. 01:08:54.380 --> 01:08:59.800 Because it's a pretty new thing off the ground, and it's yet to really develop much. 01:09:00.060 --> 01:09:02.400 But that's up to the people. 01:09:03.660 --> 01:09:03.800 Yeah. 01:09:04.960 --> 01:09:06.420 We've just started this project. 01:09:06.580 --> 01:09:12.280 I think the first time I announced this, I actually announced this on a couple episodes ago. 01:09:12.280 --> 01:09:18.540 And I was there the night the show was airing, and we were all working on the website to get it up before it actually, 01:09:18.680 --> 01:09:20.560 the show aired so people could have something to go to. 01:09:20.560 --> 01:09:23.420 It was pretty amusing. 01:09:24.280 --> 01:09:24.440 Yeah. 01:09:24.480 --> 01:09:27.080 So we're still working this out, and we're still figuring it out. 01:09:27.120 --> 01:09:33.880 But basically what we want is if you are involved in your 2600 meeting, contact us and tell us where you meet 01:09:33.880 --> 01:09:37.740 and tell us, you know, if there's a person in charge, you might want to forward this information to them. 01:09:38.540 --> 01:09:42.060 Or, you know, heck, if you want to start a 2600 meeting in your area, contact us. 01:09:42.120 --> 01:09:43.180 We'll put you on a list. 01:09:43.180 --> 01:09:48.460 We're trying to make a comprehensive list of all the 2600 meetings so everyone knows where everyone is. 01:09:50.240 --> 01:09:54.200 Yeah, I also think it's important, though, to point out that people just don't have meetings in their area, 01:09:54.300 --> 01:09:55.200 like you said, like Minnesota. 01:09:55.640 --> 01:09:58.660 And if no one's going to go, if there's only one person interested in a meeting, 01:09:59.000 --> 01:10:02.160 they're more than welcome to join in and discuss these topics with us. 01:10:02.540 --> 01:10:02.880 Exactly. 01:10:03.140 --> 01:10:05.700 No, no, we're not saying that 2600 people only can come. 01:10:06.040 --> 01:10:09.080 If you are even remotely interested in tech, come on down. 01:10:10.000 --> 01:10:12.120 You're the next contestant on 2600 United. 01:10:12.120 --> 01:10:15.540 Yeah, we kind of, between the talk now and on the page, 01:10:15.600 --> 01:10:17.260 we kind of said that we wanted people from the meetings. 01:10:17.380 --> 01:10:20.520 But if you don't go to a meeting or you wish there was a meeting in your area, 01:10:20.620 --> 01:10:22.500 you're obviously more than welcome to discuss this stuff. 01:10:22.540 --> 01:10:23.300 Indeed, indeed. 01:10:24.820 --> 01:10:26.900 So is there another project or is that the only one you had? 01:10:27.760 --> 01:10:31.040 Oh, well, there's a number of them going on. 01:10:31.120 --> 01:10:34.300 I don't know if any of them are really too... 01:10:34.300 --> 01:10:36.820 Oh, yeah, we have some of the secret projects that haven't been released yet. 01:10:36.960 --> 01:10:37.640 I know that. 01:10:37.720 --> 01:10:38.860 We can't talk about those on air. 01:10:39.700 --> 01:10:41.340 There's big things in the works. 01:10:42.120 --> 01:10:43.780 Hopefully by December 2006. 01:10:45.520 --> 01:10:47.080 I'm sorry, December 2005. 01:10:47.200 --> 01:10:47.520 Pardon me. 01:10:47.680 --> 01:10:47.920 2005. 01:10:47.920 --> 01:10:49.360 Jumping in the calendar already, are we? 01:10:49.540 --> 01:10:49.800 Yeah. 01:10:50.400 --> 01:10:51.780 I'm getting ready for the year change. 01:10:52.580 --> 01:10:53.640 Putting some pressure on. 01:10:53.800 --> 01:10:55.340 Oh, technically it's... 01:10:55.340 --> 01:10:56.640 Oh, yeah, we were shooting... 01:10:56.640 --> 01:11:00.420 How about 1-1-2006 was the deadline we set for ourselves? 01:11:01.040 --> 01:11:02.060 Yeah, it sounds about right. 01:11:02.280 --> 01:11:02.860 Yeah, yeah. 01:11:02.860 --> 01:11:08.780 A bunch of us from the various Los Angeles groups have kind of got this thing going where 01:11:08.780 --> 01:11:13.300 we may or may not build a grease car for DEFCON next year. 01:11:14.020 --> 01:11:19.360 And if we do build that, we'll actually drive it out to DEFCON and raffle it off and give 01:11:19.360 --> 01:11:20.380 the proceeds to the EFF. 01:11:20.840 --> 01:11:23.380 See, and this is the cool stuff that we have at 2600 Groups. 01:11:23.380 --> 01:11:25.840 I mean, I think that'd actually be pretty cool. 01:11:25.940 --> 01:11:27.240 We should try that at Boston 2600. 01:11:27.520 --> 01:11:28.540 Make a biodiesel car? 01:11:29.080 --> 01:11:29.240 Yeah. 01:11:29.320 --> 01:11:29.960 Heck, I'd use that myself. 01:11:30.060 --> 01:11:31.760 I don't have to pump gas anymore. 01:11:31.980 --> 01:11:32.620 Yeah, bring it. 01:11:33.040 --> 01:11:35.100 Just pull up to McDonald's and say, yeah, throw up. 01:11:36.040 --> 01:11:37.040 Bring it to DEFCON. 01:11:37.120 --> 01:11:41.740 We can have the grease car wars. 01:11:42.220 --> 01:11:42.800 Yeah, there we go. 01:11:43.200 --> 01:11:44.980 Dude, I can like pip it out with hydraulics. 01:11:45.740 --> 01:11:46.640 Get some dubs on it. 01:11:47.480 --> 01:11:49.120 Well, the hydraulics run out in grease too. 01:11:49.640 --> 01:11:50.200 Oh, yeah, true. 01:11:50.320 --> 01:11:50.720 Very true. 01:11:52.800 --> 01:11:55.780 So anyway, we're trying to wrap up our show tonight. 01:11:55.840 --> 01:11:57.540 We're sort of coming around an hour and a half, so. 01:11:58.860 --> 01:11:59.540 It's a minute 13. 01:12:00.180 --> 01:12:00.340 Yeah. 01:12:00.560 --> 01:12:02.020 Minutes, yeah, that's about what we wanted. 01:12:02.120 --> 01:12:02.820 Anything else, guys? 01:12:03.940 --> 01:12:06.900 Boy, no. 01:12:07.340 --> 01:12:08.480 I'm all lost in words. 01:12:08.780 --> 01:12:09.700 Have any announcements? 01:12:09.940 --> 01:12:11.140 Are there other things you want to talk about? 01:12:11.220 --> 01:12:12.060 Something that's going on? 01:12:13.300 --> 01:12:14.640 Trying to think over here. 01:12:15.180 --> 01:12:16.020 Yeah, boy. 01:12:16.680 --> 01:12:18.900 Yeah, we've got a lot of things going on right now, 01:12:18.900 --> 01:12:22.280 but I don't want to disclose them until we're nearing completion here. 01:12:22.280 --> 01:12:24.980 We've got some samples for everyone. 01:12:25.920 --> 01:12:27.460 Yeah, we've got some exciting things in the works. 01:12:27.640 --> 01:12:31.080 There should be stuff coming down the pipes relatively soon. 01:12:31.780 --> 01:12:32.240 Yeah, definitely. 01:12:32.300 --> 01:12:36.440 So the only announcement I have this week is, once again, Sunday, Sunday, Sunday, 01:12:36.540 --> 01:12:39.300 the MIT flea in Cambridge, for those of you in the Boston area. 01:12:40.860 --> 01:12:43.120 Hopefully, Boston 2600 will be there. 01:12:43.240 --> 01:12:45.680 I think we really almost agreed we're going to get a table regardless, right? 01:12:46.600 --> 01:12:47.460 Sounds like a good idea. 01:12:47.460 --> 01:12:48.880 Yeah, we're going to get a table out there. 01:12:48.960 --> 01:12:50.200 We're going to have flyers out there. 01:12:50.300 --> 01:12:51.760 We're basically going to pimp ourselves out. 01:12:52.740 --> 01:12:53.320 We're going to sit there. 01:12:54.540 --> 01:12:56.920 Come visit us and buy baked goods. 01:12:57.580 --> 01:13:00.300 Yeah, we might have baked goods for some reason. 01:13:01.280 --> 01:13:02.000 Hack or bake sale? 01:13:02.440 --> 01:13:03.500 Yeah, hack or bake sales. 01:13:03.640 --> 01:13:05.320 Come support the Boston 2600 group. 01:13:05.320 --> 01:13:05.520 Oh, come on. 01:13:06.340 --> 01:13:06.740 Maybe? 01:13:07.040 --> 01:13:08.060 Oh, no, that's a definite. 01:13:08.200 --> 01:13:09.220 Everyone likes bake sales. 01:13:09.380 --> 01:13:09.620 Everyone likes brownies. 01:13:09.620 --> 01:13:10.880 Okay, well, bake sale it is. 01:13:11.120 --> 01:13:15.040 Come to the MIT flea and buy baked goods from the Boston 2600 group. 01:13:15.040 --> 01:13:17.540 Make sure your cupcake doesn't have any worms in it. 01:13:17.820 --> 01:13:18.960 The Happy Hacker bake sale. 01:13:19.440 --> 01:13:19.860 Bad joke. 01:13:20.440 --> 01:13:21.040 Very good. 01:13:21.680 --> 01:13:22.960 So, yes, that's a good cake. 01:13:22.960 --> 01:13:24.540 No worms, no mold. 01:13:24.700 --> 01:13:26.480 Only at Redneck do you get things like that. 01:13:28.060 --> 01:13:29.720 That's in Cambridge, Albany Street. 01:13:29.980 --> 01:13:32.360 It's from 9 till whenever. 01:13:33.360 --> 01:13:34.840 It usually shuts down at some point, 01:13:34.940 --> 01:13:36.620 but we're usually there for the behind being. 01:13:36.820 --> 01:13:37.620 Come check us out. 01:13:37.620 --> 01:13:38.900 Yeah, we're there for a while. 01:13:40.180 --> 01:13:42.100 Those are the obnoxious ones in the lawn chairs. 01:13:42.100 --> 01:13:46.280 Wearing the sombreros and Hawaiian shirts, sorry. 01:13:46.580 --> 01:13:48.800 Oh, dude, I'm so bringing my Hawaiian shirt now. 01:13:49.440 --> 01:13:50.180 Oh, please do. 01:13:50.620 --> 01:13:51.060 Oh, yeah. 01:13:51.660 --> 01:13:53.120 Come see Ratchet in a Hawaiian shirt. 01:13:55.280 --> 01:13:59.540 For all of you people in, around, and near Southern California, 01:13:59.740 --> 01:14:01.980 TourCon is this weekend, in case you haven't noticed. 01:14:02.560 --> 01:14:05.540 Go to tourcon, T-W-O-R-C-O-N.org. 01:14:06.120 --> 01:14:08.940 It's a really cool hacker convention in San Diego 01:14:08.940 --> 01:14:11.920 from September 16th through 18th. 01:14:12.560 --> 01:14:16.460 So I'll be there, and a lot of the L.A. people will be there. 01:14:17.100 --> 01:14:18.980 Yes, but will you be wearing Hawaiian shirts? 01:14:19.960 --> 01:14:21.460 I'll be wearing a shirt with a collar. 01:14:21.560 --> 01:14:22.060 Does that count? 01:14:22.520 --> 01:14:23.480 No, I guess that's okay. 01:14:24.720 --> 01:14:27.600 So there's that, so come to that. 01:14:28.880 --> 01:14:31.080 Anyway, we actually have a topic for next week, 01:14:31.120 --> 01:14:32.540 already set up next week. 01:14:32.540 --> 01:14:35.040 The topic is we're going to have Dr. Zygman on from the forums, 01:14:35.700 --> 01:14:38.980 and he's going to give a nice little talk on video editing and hack TV. 01:14:39.600 --> 01:14:40.840 We're pretty sure he's coming on. 01:14:40.840 --> 01:14:42.540 We actually haven't got everything figured out yet, 01:14:42.620 --> 01:14:44.000 but hopefully that'll work out. 01:14:44.640 --> 01:14:47.000 So next week, if we come on and we're just waving around 01:14:47.000 --> 01:14:49.100 and talking about something which is obviously not video editing, 01:14:49.260 --> 01:14:50.900 you know things went wrong. 01:14:51.300 --> 01:14:53.540 Yeah, so it should be either this week or next. 01:14:54.100 --> 01:14:56.760 I'm saying definitely, hopefully next week. 01:14:57.160 --> 01:15:00.780 So if you have questions about hack TV or stuff you want to talk about video editing, 01:15:01.220 --> 01:15:03.820 send your emails in, radio at binrev.com. 01:15:05.300 --> 01:15:06.800 Email them in, and we'll get them on the show. 01:15:06.800 --> 01:15:08.960 So which platform is he going to be discussing? 01:15:09.080 --> 01:15:09.500 Do you have any idea? 01:15:10.080 --> 01:15:11.080 I honestly don't know. 01:15:11.160 --> 01:15:15.180 All I know is that he told me he has a page and a half outline. 01:15:16.600 --> 01:15:16.920 Yow. 01:15:17.160 --> 01:15:17.360 What? 01:15:17.440 --> 01:15:18.300 Is that double space? 01:15:19.560 --> 01:15:21.620 I don't know, but it's all handwritten. 01:15:22.580 --> 01:15:23.220 Oh, wow. 01:15:23.380 --> 01:15:25.000 Yeah, it's a handwritten outline. 01:15:25.320 --> 01:15:27.560 So this is going to be one hell of a show. 01:15:28.580 --> 01:15:29.780 And Dr. Zygman's a cool guy. 01:15:29.840 --> 01:15:30.860 We hang out in IRC a lot, 01:15:30.900 --> 01:15:32.700 and he does a great job at op-ing the channel with me. 01:15:32.700 --> 01:15:33.880 So he's a cool dude. 01:15:34.260 --> 01:15:35.580 Do you have any more announcements, Strom? 01:15:36.080 --> 01:15:36.780 Oh, yes. 01:15:36.860 --> 01:15:39.060 Although it's not presently working, 01:15:39.180 --> 01:15:40.680 we're having some technical difficulties. 01:15:41.160 --> 01:15:44.460 Don't forget the Binary Revolution radio voicemail number, 01:15:44.940 --> 01:15:49.340 which, again, is area code 213-415-1047. 01:15:50.160 --> 01:15:51.920 And if you call it and you just hear music, 01:15:52.020 --> 01:15:53.840 we're kind of just figuring out, working on it. 01:15:53.860 --> 01:15:55.720 If you call it and you get the message, it's backup. 01:15:56.420 --> 01:15:56.740 Yay. 01:15:57.540 --> 01:15:58.720 Hopefully it will be backup soon. 01:15:59.100 --> 01:15:59.340 Yes. 01:16:00.780 --> 01:16:01.640 Side of the week. 01:16:01.640 --> 01:16:06.460 Besides boston.2600.org, boston2600.org slash 2600United, 01:16:07.040 --> 01:16:11.640 tagxania.com, T-A-G-Z-A-N-I-A.com. 01:16:12.480 --> 01:16:16.260 And it's a really cool implementation of Google Maps, 01:16:16.440 --> 01:16:18.040 and you just have to see it to believe it. 01:16:18.100 --> 01:16:21.620 It's basically add stuff to Google Maps, stuff you want to map. 01:16:22.200 --> 01:16:23.360 It's really hard to explain. 01:16:23.440 --> 01:16:23.920 Just check it out. 01:16:23.960 --> 01:16:24.500 It's a fun site. 01:16:26.060 --> 01:16:26.760 Thanks, Bob. 01:16:27.460 --> 01:16:28.080 Yeah, Bob. 01:16:28.080 --> 01:16:30.520 Bob from Phoenix posted that one out. 01:16:30.520 --> 01:16:32.980 And I was thoroughly enthralled with it. 01:16:33.120 --> 01:16:35.780 I'm trying to bend it to my own nefarious purposes. 01:16:35.980 --> 01:16:39.600 But anyway, email, as always, radioatbinrev.com. 01:16:39.660 --> 01:16:41.220 I think I mentioned that, but let's go mention that again. 01:16:42.240 --> 01:16:44.620 Closing music tonight is Yellow Six, 01:16:44.780 --> 01:16:46.080 and the song is called Tomorrow. 01:16:46.840 --> 01:16:50.180 And shout out again to epitonic.com for that one. 01:16:50.180 --> 01:16:54.320 So, as always, we, once again, we'll see you next week. 01:16:54.500 --> 01:16:56.280 Same hack time, same hack channel. 01:16:56.280 --> 01:17:26.260 And we'll see you next week. 01:17:26.280 --> 01:17:51.320 You'll see you next week. 01:17:51.320 --> 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