WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:07.320 you'll find our snack bar chock full of good things to eat and drink tasty tempting hot dogs 00:07.320 --> 00:14.540 thirst quenching soft drinks fresh crunchy popcorn you've plenty of time so visit the snack bar 00:14.540 --> 00:44.520 this is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers to the hackers and the crackers i see in binary i speak source code step on my toes i'll post a million jpegs of you in a fag pose in your digital stance getting firewalled ho because i'm riding the net in my six foe i was a dick with my 56 now with my cable i'm able to get that stable on the out my name is ace and i'm a leo on the digital highway 00:44.540 --> 01:14.520 my name is neo and i'm a hero in a flash i'll school you on burning dreamcast you need some iso let me through my hard drive rifle our exchange you could never stifle and a digital hug you just caught the love bug i bootlegged your cd i caused a fight between un and jay-z your cg it's all gonna be free whether we take it by force or we take it nicely you feel that rattle in your bones when i tell you we just hacked out jones and nasdaq leaves you flat on your back cause i am he who loves to hack 01:14.520 --> 01:20.920 and crack cause i am he who loves to hack and crack this is dedicated to the hackers and the crackers 01:20.920 --> 01:32.240 their real phone source code iso welcome to binary revolution radio episode number 120 for november 1st 2005 01:32.240 --> 01:38.660 i'm strom carlson i'm black ratchet and i'm john we have yeah troops is here tonight 01:38.660 --> 01:43.560 and and and five zone who's who's missing right now but we we don't know where he went 01:43.560 --> 01:49.140 hopefully he'll be here soon we apologize for the bizarre technical problems that we had just now there 01:49.140 --> 01:54.960 was a problem with the switch from daylight time to standard time with the attack radio for those of you 01:54.960 --> 01:58.580 yeah for those of you who aren't who are curious how this actually works in the background 01:58.580 --> 02:06.000 um when we're streaming live we have the uh basically one minute to connect to the stream 02:06.000 --> 02:09.920 before it actually figures oh something's wrong i better start playing something else 02:09.920 --> 02:15.720 so what it was is we we checked we finally decided to check the stream to make sure everything was okay 02:15.720 --> 02:20.680 with the server and we noticed that last week's episode was playing and we're looking at it we're 02:20.680 --> 02:26.740 going um that's odd that's really weird and we look at it and we look at the server time and say 02:26.740 --> 02:33.960 oh my it thinks it's 10 p.m or 10 30 in this case so i had to desperately desperately uh call 02:33.960 --> 02:39.120 stank dog and almost woke him up he was going right to bed and he said oh man i heard the phone 02:39.120 --> 02:45.240 ring so i had to answer it so and he ran and uh had to manually kick off the stream and reset the 02:45.240 --> 02:51.480 server time so this is the glory of live radio right here oh yeah what's amusing actually is we were 02:51.480 --> 02:57.160 streaming the uh the episode from last week and uh war in the irc channel kept complaining i keep 02:57.160 --> 03:01.900 getting jumped in the hold queue i'm i'm in the hold queue i've been here for half an hour now and 03:01.900 --> 03:10.060 other people keep coming on like you're listening to last week's episode or or you you silly fool 03:10.060 --> 03:16.240 yes yes we love you war yeah uh now we are we are actually live we are actually live for november 1st so 03:16.240 --> 03:25.480 um get your dialing fingers ready because we've got the call in line ready at uh 800-732-0442 03:25.480 --> 03:31.120 if you are calling from the united states or if you're calling from outside the united states you 03:31.120 --> 03:40.780 can call us at area code 213-415-1047 country code one yeah country code one double check your 03:40.780 --> 03:48.300 dialing instructions from whatever country you happen to be dialing from so yes we're actually 03:48.300 --> 03:52.260 the reason why we're live again we actually i was planning to have a pre-taped episode but 03:52.260 --> 03:57.280 uh thanks to halloween and i completely forgot that was monday and i had halloween related stuff to do 03:57.280 --> 04:04.020 so we just decided to go live and strom was happy and yeah i like it it's always good live is 04:04.020 --> 04:11.500 interesting i i'm i'm i i do like this it provides a a very unique feel it certainly does yeah that 04:11.500 --> 04:16.620 nice little adrenaline rush going on here and plus you can always say well we're taping at 9 30 04:16.620 --> 04:23.360 because it's a lot easier to schedule people right troops that's right well with the exception i just 04:23.360 --> 04:29.300 realized this is i just realized it's live so i've got a stage fright going on no although there's always 04:29.300 --> 04:36.060 mistakes and i i looks like troops uh using his western electric whatever it is oh yeah don't 04:36.060 --> 04:39.840 worry about the mistakes if you listen to last week's episode we made you know screw up after 04:39.840 --> 04:44.620 screw up after screw up so i thought last week's episode sounded pretty good yeah it sounded pretty 04:44.620 --> 04:49.660 damn good but um you know there are well you know we think we make mistakes but of course listener it 04:49.660 --> 04:55.240 doesn't sound like a mistake oh i'll take your word for that but i i thought we did okay yeah i think 04:55.240 --> 05:00.620 we did pretty good considering the circumstances i didn't notice any major horrible mistakes but 05:00.620 --> 05:07.000 anyway shall we go into email uh yeah let's do some email here 05:07.000 --> 05:33.860 our first email is not from anybody in particular it says yes it's an anonymous person anonymous email 05:33.860 --> 05:39.940 says okay just in case you didn't know there are two types of tesla coils one is a spark gap type 05:39.940 --> 05:45.800 which provide the large arcs and are very dangerous to touch them the second type is vacuum tube that 05:45.800 --> 05:50.920 you can touch and the arcs and light burnout bulbs and fluorescent lights awesome effects with steel wool 05:50.920 --> 05:57.440 also very feasible to be indoors my dad built his first when he was 13 and hand coiled and all built by 05:57.440 --> 06:03.060 him there is one crazy dude that paints space scenes with the spark gap tesla coils that is probably what was 06:03.060 --> 06:04.200 in the hotel room at freak nick 06:04.200 --> 06:10.820 well see would it be the would it be the spark gap one because i think that'd be definitely a fire hazard 06:10.820 --> 06:16.580 but i would assume that the other one that wasn't a horrible thing of course it is kind of less impressive i guess 06:16.580 --> 06:22.360 and technically yeah previous to this i i didn't know there were two types of tesla coils 06:22.360 --> 06:28.340 uh the only coils that i saw were the giant spark gaps one with the uh electricity strands of death there 06:28.340 --> 06:35.340 and uh i i seen the spark gap thing can like actually do all kinds of crazy stuff fluorescent lights and that was actually 06:35.340 --> 06:40.280 one of the demonstrations they did at the boston museum of science you carry around a uh 06:40.280 --> 06:43.100 you know at one of the shows you can carry around a fluorescent light and 06:43.100 --> 06:47.400 what they suggested is basically every kid have one in america and they put tesla coils everywhere 06:47.400 --> 06:50.740 and you have portable street lights with you at all times 06:50.740 --> 06:56.900 that's sweet yeah too bad they sound absolutely horrific it's sort of like if you've ever if you've 06:56.900 --> 07:03.240 never heard a spark gap it's i i don't know how to explain it it's very loud and very noisy 07:03.240 --> 07:07.880 it's it's sort of like that sound if you're ever listening to am radio and someone starts a blender near 07:07.880 --> 07:15.240 you it's just that nice little 60 hertz harmonic going on there oh yeah yeah that thing i mean but 07:15.240 --> 07:19.880 anyway who knows who cares i i still want one from my front yard that would really freak out the kids 07:19.880 --> 07:24.160 last night can you imagine doing that at a rave with uh with with the instead of the glow sticks 07:24.160 --> 07:32.080 oh man god i'd i'd seriously i bet i could sell those probably yeah stone-ass ravers yeah oh my god 07:32.080 --> 07:39.760 look at the spark gap man yeah drunken you know high off their ass on ecstasy i want to give a bunch of 07:39.760 --> 07:46.760 angry emails from ravers now tons ravers email radio at binrav.com our next email comes from dosman 07:46.760 --> 07:52.620 he says hi i was listening to binrav radio number 115 and there was there were a couple topics that i 07:52.620 --> 08:00.460 have additional information on number one pgp versus gpg pg isn't free for business use corporate 08:00.460 --> 08:04.780 users are required to license it and now version nine of the desktop tools appears to be completely 08:04.780 --> 08:11.080 non-free gpg is completely free for everyone while pgp does allow downloads of death of its desktop 08:11.080 --> 08:16.720 tool source you have to agree not to compile it for general use it's for peer review only while this 08:16.720 --> 08:21.100 is nice to see in a commercial entity it's not really open source or even free anymore it looks 08:21.100 --> 08:28.200 like the other item is that gpg users can't legally use the idea algorithm one of pgp's default algorithms 08:28.200 --> 08:33.860 without manually licensing it direct from rsa they can use others instead is that pronounced idea or idea 08:33.860 --> 08:40.840 i i assume it's idea or idea it's idea it's all in capitals but we're going to call it idea yeah 08:40.840 --> 08:45.540 someone in the irc channel please correct me however there is a module floating around that 08:45.540 --> 08:51.820 implements it for gpg of course this is fun and dandy for joe blow average gpg user that needs to talk 08:51.820 --> 08:57.080 to a pgp user that only uses idea but if you're an admin or a developer for a corporation setting up 08:57.080 --> 09:00.900 data transfers to banks and other financial institutions you'll pretty much have to obtain 09:00.900 --> 09:05.900 a commercial license to use pgp instead of freeloading off gpg or risk getting sued later 09:05.900 --> 09:12.120 on of course you could manually manually license idea from rsa but i've never seen anyone actually 09:12.120 --> 09:17.040 go this route why go through the awkward process of using a hacked module and licensing it when you 09:17.040 --> 09:25.320 can just pay for pgp the idea patent does expire in 2007 though and he gives the url number two doug 09:25.320 --> 09:30.180 mentions that east coast bread tastes better than west coast bread i've heard this discussed before 09:30.180 --> 09:35.040 often linked with pizza dough the conclusion i'd heard was because the better quality water in 09:35.040 --> 09:39.260 the new york area this makes sense to me you make your bread with lots of water and the new york 09:39.260 --> 09:44.540 new jersey area wins awards for its great tasting water i can't immediately find a web resource to 09:44.540 --> 09:48.700 document this but i know i've heard on the radio before that new jersey had won a state water tasting 09:48.700 --> 09:56.020 contest that's my three and a half cents on these topics dasman uh that that url he gave out i just 09:56.020 --> 10:08.320 tiny url that it's a tiny url.com slash nine seven papa mike zulu bmz and uh i i the whole idea or 10:08.320 --> 10:12.860 idea or whatever you want to call it and i i absolutely when i first read that i found that 10:12.860 --> 10:18.740 absolutely hilarious because if you've ever learned about the history of pgp uh phil zimmerman 10:18.740 --> 10:25.320 when he set it up he basically he wrote his own code and he used the rsa algorithm but he never 10:25.320 --> 10:31.860 actually licensed it from rsa and that was a big thing and you basically he distributed pgp 10:31.860 --> 10:39.180 of course back then it was to the united states only unquote um and he said that oh you know if you're 10:39.180 --> 10:45.560 using this you really need to uh license uh a algorithm from rsa and get all that good stuff 10:45.560 --> 10:51.920 because you know that's that's that's illegal and you can't do that wink wink so i i i find it 10:51.920 --> 10:59.600 hilarious that pgp now is basically not just is basically it's in the same situation with the whole rsa 10:59.600 --> 11:07.220 thing it's it's quite a hoot and i i kind of take offense to the whole freeloading off gpg 11:07.220 --> 11:13.820 i mean it is free software after all for christian yeah it's free software they're giving ways to do 11:13.820 --> 11:18.220 whatever you want and i mean it'd always be nice to if you're if you like the software give a donation 11:18.220 --> 11:23.700 to the developers or something but it's there go go use it that's why they're giving it away 11:23.700 --> 11:30.720 and quite frankly how how exactly do you peer review something and not test it against compiled 11:30.720 --> 11:36.120 source that's what i want to know and plus do they really track it if you compile it do they 11:36.120 --> 11:40.020 have like a bug in every compiler ever made and saying you know if you see the pgp source 11:40.020 --> 11:49.320 call back yes yeah you comment that out you horrible person you yeah of course what's funny about the 11:49.320 --> 11:54.300 whole water thing as i i seem to recall something where they found little uh little animals living 11:54.300 --> 11:59.780 living in the new in the new york water supply and uh then there was alligators no not alligators 11:59.780 --> 12:05.700 like little tiny almost microstopic um little i forget what they were called they were like little 12:05.700 --> 12:14.360 mites or little eight-legged whatever they were but um what was i gonna say there oh yeah alligators 12:14.360 --> 12:18.160 live in the new york sewers yes yes that would be it that would be it 12:18.160 --> 12:22.680 so i remember there was this whole big controversy over whether the water was now kosher because they 12:22.680 --> 12:27.000 had discovered little tiny things in it i'm sure they don't drink too much 12:27.000 --> 12:34.220 and i i gotta laugh at the entire idea of new jersey having america's best water i mean 12:34.220 --> 12:40.860 new jersey come on now they're like crazy talk their license plate is a tribute to smog 12:40.860 --> 12:46.520 yeah i know it's the whole thing that's the chemical waste capital of the world oh it's basically just 12:46.520 --> 12:52.180 the entire thing is just paved it's all chemical plants on the side i i've i've seen the opening 12:52.180 --> 12:58.760 to sopranos i know how it is actually no i did drive through new jersey once and it i i drove down 12:58.760 --> 13:04.380 the new jersey turnpike and that's all i saw was just like chemical plants and i did see giant stadium 13:04.380 --> 13:07.680 i believe if i remember correctly or jet stadium whatever it was down in rutherford 13:07.680 --> 13:13.860 it was just it was creepy it was just all like industrial complexes 13:13.860 --> 13:20.080 and i'm using a side note kind of off topic actually my one of my professors in college 13:20.080 --> 13:26.140 he to the lowest grade in the class of every test he gave them the new jersey turnpike award 13:26.140 --> 13:29.480 and he would clip a new jersey turnpike receipt to your test 13:29.480 --> 13:37.240 that's hilarious yes he had a thing against he had a thing against new york new jersey and 13:37.240 --> 13:42.620 connecticut he used to call it the new york new jersey connecticut continuum oh dear yeah so it was 13:42.620 --> 13:49.980 amusing oh and plus i gotta say uh out of all the water all i know is that my town in massachusetts 13:49.980 --> 13:56.520 has the best water taste wise i i do know that we have won awards for it and we've actually 13:56.520 --> 14:00.900 pride ourselves on it it's the only thing that we do right in lynn the los angeles municipal water 14:00.900 --> 14:06.640 supply isn't that bad but it could be better yeah where is brown it's okay 14:06.640 --> 14:16.060 it's crazy well how's water down in alabama in mississippi it's pretty brown mississippi 14:16.060 --> 14:21.640 and uh you stubborn boys and i'm from louisiana recently and you know about the new orleans water 14:21.640 --> 14:29.260 supply it's all silk now isn't it yeah i'm sure i'm sure it's too good now it wasn't very good to 14:29.260 --> 14:36.720 begin with i do seem to recall i stayed at a hotel in like um azusa one time and we we turned on the 14:36.720 --> 14:46.600 tap and the water did come out brown that was yeah no i i i used to have to drink the water in 14:46.600 --> 14:53.800 providence and the providence water was just absolutely disgusting like i i i never understood 14:53.800 --> 14:58.080 why certain people were saying oh you know don't don't drink the tap water around here and it's 14:58.080 --> 15:04.260 like and then i actually found it and it was like oh you you'd have better luck in tijuana 15:04.260 --> 15:09.620 i know it was up there i mean i couldn't even wash my hands my hands would smell afterwards 15:09.620 --> 15:18.720 oh dear yeah it was bad that's no good so so do you want to get on tijuana we have we have a first 15:18.720 --> 15:25.300 tonight we actually have a voice first bin rev voicemail yeah let me let me see if i remember how to 15:25.300 --> 15:33.680 we should get a voicemail theme yeah we should yeah yeah i think this is it 15:33.680 --> 15:41.720 hey guys this is j mac from detroit again i'm a software engineer uh i'm in a telecom uh a small 15:41.720 --> 15:46.620 telecom out of detroit um and we're dealing with a great deal of fraud um the people that we're 15:46.620 --> 15:51.840 dealing with are spoofing phone numbers but they're doing it on a grand scale i mean we're talking 15:51.840 --> 15:57.900 thousands and thousands of dollars worth of uh telecom fraud here i mean they're they're purchasing 15:57.900 --> 16:02.780 on fraudulent credit cards and they're using our service and basically we're getting stuck for the for 16:02.780 --> 16:11.340 fees but uh my question is how possibly uh is somebody you know mass spoofing phone numbers 16:11.340 --> 16:16.560 and getting away with this i mean i i believe the way i look at it when i look at their the places 16:16.560 --> 16:23.860 that they're calling and in such a it's such a uh um a fast rate that they're just calling like 16:23.860 --> 16:32.680 you know all over the world the uk india um um you know the netherlands just like places 16:32.680 --> 16:38.060 that are of no relation uh you know most of our customers you know they call one general area 16:38.060 --> 16:42.980 they're calling family and friends back home but these guys are just it's so sporadic so it makes 16:42.980 --> 16:51.340 me think that they are reselling our service and uh somehow um you know hopping from telecom to telecom 16:51.340 --> 16:57.480 but it's weird because they send us one annie our service it does validate by annie if you're not 16:57.480 --> 17:02.860 calling from the annie you set up on our service then you can't use it so they're like there's there's 17:02.860 --> 17:08.580 i'm just trying to understand what possible things are people doing out there to where they would 17:08.580 --> 17:16.540 need to place uh so many calls so quickly and so much uh to the point where they're spending thousands 17:16.540 --> 17:23.180 of dollars a day uh it's just it just seems mind-boggling to me that anybody would need that much 17:23.180 --> 17:30.240 uh service and i mean obviously they have to be reselling it somehow um i just can't imagine what 17:30.240 --> 17:36.860 they could be using all these uh telecom minutes for you know over you know just over regular analog 17:36.860 --> 17:42.140 phone lines or not using voip or anything like that so if you could let me know um you know what 17:42.140 --> 17:49.600 what do hackers do out there that you know that that warrants this type of activity and behavior 17:49.600 --> 17:55.000 in the system i mean i just don't understand uh why they're doing this if i can get a better grip 17:55.000 --> 18:01.600 on this um maybe i can you know take further measures to find out how to prevent it and how 18:01.600 --> 18:07.080 to look at their call patterns to to bust them so if you could let me know i'd really appreciate it um 18:07.080 --> 18:11.720 you can email me at gmail.com or if you want to talk about on the show i'd really appreciate to hear 18:11.720 --> 18:23.640 your responses thanks for your time guys great show so the fbi may have a place for you i'm sorry i 18:23.640 --> 18:30.840 just had to do that i find a let me i find a let me interject for a second go ahead i just saw jason 18:30.840 --> 18:34.560 scott's uh bbs documentary and i know what they're doing they're using bbs's 18:34.560 --> 18:45.020 it could be we don't know well we we we uh i i have a theory on this i'm not sure if strom does 18:45.020 --> 18:51.460 but um well well first off i mean he said hackers and everything and as always we're going to take 18:51.460 --> 18:56.500 offense to that hackers don't do this and also freaks don't do this we're just into harmless 18:56.500 --> 19:01.760 explanation of the phone system and or the computer system we're not into toll fraud we're not into 19:01.760 --> 19:08.360 owning your box we're not into fishing people who do this aren't hackers and i i dare say that 19:08.360 --> 19:12.700 they're not crackers either they're just they're just evil scum of the earth and they deserve to be 19:12.700 --> 19:22.120 strung up on the nearest tree or something um so you know if you're a caller i don't even i didn't 19:22.120 --> 19:27.900 say who he was so person who called in don't don't say hackers are doing this and at the same point 19:27.900 --> 19:32.600 people in the audience don't give hackers a bad name by doing this thank you okay of course i 19:32.600 --> 19:36.840 don't think anyone in our audience would actually do this i hope and if you're not shame on you 19:36.840 --> 19:45.760 stop doing it so uh what i'm going to suggest is i'd be curious as to the telecom providers they're 19:45.760 --> 19:51.580 calling uh if for example if they're calling a certain uh telecommunications provider in india 19:51.580 --> 19:56.920 china or whatever he said it was um see if you can't ban them from calling your service 19:56.920 --> 20:02.620 because what it is is a lot of stuff is uh kickback related now what what a kickback is 20:02.620 --> 20:10.100 is you know say for example um i i hack sword your service not that i would do that but uh you're 20:10.100 --> 20:14.460 running a calling card and i hack sword your service and i made it so that it looked like your 20:14.460 --> 20:21.200 company or your calling card was actually being used to call in you know some telecom providing 20:21.200 --> 20:27.500 an antigua or some some third world country or something now what that company would do is i 20:27.500 --> 20:31.340 would have a previously arranged agreement with them saying that i would drive track it traffic 20:31.340 --> 20:36.880 toward their telephone system and they could charge exorbitant rates to do that so the company that i 20:36.880 --> 20:42.960 owned would get paid would what i'm sorry would get billed and like you know two minute call three 20:42.960 --> 20:47.460 hundred dollars and at the same point they would have to pay the company that i called because 20:47.460 --> 20:52.600 well even though they are owned that other company wants to get paid and so the company that's in 20:52.600 --> 20:57.960 antigua would then send me a check saying you know basically they'd send me a percentage of the profits 20:57.960 --> 21:06.080 so it's a very interesting system and if you ever hear those stories about uh those people who are 21:06.080 --> 21:11.720 uh you know they they download the free caller off the internet to get into those hot triple x sites 21:11.720 --> 21:18.200 and they call like you know some some phone number in southern czechoslovakia this is a lot of what 21:18.200 --> 21:22.220 that is the adult the company that makes the dialer gets a kickback from the telephone company that 21:22.220 --> 21:29.840 is handling the call so basically what i would do is i'd go through the logs and you know see if the 21:29.840 --> 21:35.260 phone companies that handles the numbers are at least semi-reputable and if not just ban their ass 21:35.260 --> 21:41.580 and i mean also you were saying that a lot of people are just calling their you know their friends 21:41.580 --> 21:47.260 and family down the street or you know certain areas or if it's just really just us 48 calling 21:47.260 --> 21:54.920 um just stop international calling if if 90 percent of your calling is local or local toll or us 48 21:54.920 --> 22:01.520 um approve people for international dialing on a case-by-case basis maybe i mean it'd be some work 22:01.520 --> 22:06.400 and you you might get some people ticked off but if you're getting losing thousands of dollars to 22:06.400 --> 22:11.520 this fraud just you know do bite the bullet and do it and say if you want to dial international 22:11.520 --> 22:17.120 please call this number and uh get previous approval well you know lord knows good luck whatever 22:17.120 --> 22:21.840 uh what do you do you have a theory on this strom or a solution 22:21.840 --> 22:25.040 strom 22:25.040 --> 22:33.920 i love live radio so what what it is is um 22:33.920 --> 22:37.440 strom did you come back 22:37.440 --> 22:49.280 i guess i'm the only person left there i'm i'm all alone i'm grabbing the call off the queue i'm 22:49.280 --> 22:53.520 i'm seeing who it is oh okay uh well what was your solution to the sky 22:53.520 --> 22:57.360 or what was your suggestion as it were 22:57.360 --> 23:02.320 i love live radio 23:02.320 --> 23:07.120 so troops do you have a suggestion to this guy 23:07.120 --> 23:14.880 i'm going with you buddy yeah i i actually if five zones on the conf now isn't he yeah 23:14.880 --> 23:19.040 yeah hi five zone how you doing doing great when in doubt blame the pla 23:19.040 --> 23:27.120 exactly blame blame uh red box chili pepper over there rbcp he's he's always at fault those those 23:27.120 --> 23:32.960 damn crazy phone freaks over there they're sort of proto phone freaks prank calling as it were 23:32.960 --> 23:37.120 yeah there was there there was there was nobody serious on the queue there was someone who thought 23:37.120 --> 23:42.480 they were waiting for a conference call or something so strom what what was your suggestion for this 23:42.480 --> 23:47.600 whole thousands of dollars in international toll fraud oh yeah my suggestions was you know if 23:47.600 --> 23:52.000 if you're doing thousands of dollars a day from a single number obviously there's something wrong 23:52.000 --> 23:55.760 with your tandem where you're not restricting the number of of simultaneous calls that the 23:55.760 --> 23:59.840 caller can make and if you're restricting by any i mean that makes sense but if you've got 23:59.840 --> 24:04.240 a hundred calls from the same any obviously they're abusing the service so limit it to like 24:04.240 --> 24:08.240 two maybe three calls at the same time and i'm sure you'll have you'll see your problems diminish 24:08.240 --> 24:17.520 immensely yes it's always interesting uh the love the lovely world of toll fraud you're all stupid 24:17.520 --> 24:22.640 for doing this it's seen anyone who does it is just you deserve what if you get caught you 24:22.640 --> 24:26.960 deserves what's coming for you unless you're doing it in a completely innocent manner but highly 24:26.960 --> 24:34.000 doubtful so that was our first ever voicemail isn't that it was a touching moment we had our first 24:34.000 --> 24:40.560 ever live caller last week this is our first ever voicemail this week it's it's amazing what will 24:40.560 --> 24:46.640 we have next week the first ever on-air twinkie eating or something yeah you're kind of obsessed 24:46.640 --> 24:51.280 with twinkies because you just bought them yeah i bought twinkies for the first time in like five 24:51.280 --> 25:01.120 years this evening so shame on you so yeah go and tell yeah okay by the way call-in lines are open 25:01.120 --> 25:09.920 again if you forgot the number it's uh if you're within the u.s get out your pencil 800-732-0442 25:10.800 --> 25:19.200 or if you're calling from outside the u.s area code 213-739 no i'm sorry that's not it 25:19.840 --> 25:24.560 that's the wrong number is area code 213-415-1047 25:26.720 --> 25:30.880 can't even get the phone number right you call yourself a freak well i i i somehow 25:31.360 --> 25:34.000 went into the pattern of repeating the phone number from my old office 25:35.760 --> 25:40.400 so if you want to call uh ticket master yeah if you want to call ticket master 25:40.400 --> 25:48.800 213-739 something or other but uh yeah oh so yeah call those numbers if you 25:48.800 --> 25:51.760 call those numbers and you can be on the air yeah there's no one in the key right now 25:51.760 --> 25:54.720 our main topic tonight just so everyone can get prepped is we're going to talk about 25:54.720 --> 25:59.440 freak nick and oh it's droops and five zone just going to wrap it up and tell us what the hell 25:59.440 --> 26:03.840 happened over there and someone wants to get on and tell them about their are their freak nick 26:03.840 --> 26:07.920 experience we had a couple people on from last week but if you haven't get on last week just come 26:07.920 --> 26:14.160 on this week and just to chat away we haven't done our personal hacking stories yet yeah i was 26:14.160 --> 26:19.280 about to say show to show and tell what have you been doing strom what have i been doing i've been 26:20.000 --> 26:28.720 playing around with uh let's see solaris and a weiss 150 terminal and all sorts of random but 26:28.720 --> 26:30.240 not terribly consequential stuff 26:30.240 --> 26:38.000 mm-hmm i moved my desk that was a fun adventure in uh in computer something or other you moved 26:38.000 --> 26:41.520 where did you move it to your porch no i moved to the other side of my living room 26:43.120 --> 26:51.040 oh interior design with strom carlson yes been rev's gayest moment ever indeed 26:52.160 --> 26:56.800 is it closer to payphone now no actually it's further from the payphone shame on you 26:56.800 --> 27:05.200 droops what have you been doing well i've been doing a lot of shit yes you have um uh 27:05.840 --> 27:12.800 brought some shit um actually i have a confession to make i actually i used windows me today 27:13.760 --> 27:20.880 you and uh if i learned the truth with windows me on an older box if you change the uh swap file 27:20.880 --> 27:26.720 so windows isn't regulating it it's like a whole new experience and i actually appreciate 27:26.800 --> 27:28.240 windows me today 27:30.880 --> 27:36.400 you appreciated windows me because you can control the swap file size by no no i appreciated it 27:36.400 --> 27:43.360 it didn't crash on me one time not one time did it crash uh i was very impressed i've never had 27:43.360 --> 27:49.600 that opportunity to experience that before um i've also been doing things that are actually kind of 27:49.600 --> 27:56.080 cool other than that confession uh we're working on twat radio and we're taking the month of november 27:56.080 --> 28:03.840 off so that we can uh regroup a little bit because we kind of sprung into it half-ass and we're really 28:03.840 --> 28:09.280 planning on every day having to upload a show and getting people to upload a show because they didn't 28:09.280 --> 28:14.480 do it and they're just far off the face of the earth so we're getting a bunch of uh backup episodes 28:14.480 --> 28:20.240 and we've got a new admin over at the site mr uh touch hello and he's going to help me make sure it's 28:20.240 --> 28:24.960 updated every day and good stuff like that and i've had a bunch of people submit things 28:26.240 --> 28:31.440 like today they're like oh no i have to have twat what am i going to do so that's really really cool 28:32.720 --> 28:37.520 well because because because twat is taught is cool it's what's always cool uh what's what's the 28:37.520 --> 28:45.360 website might as well just sort of toss it out there oh it's uh twatech.org so twatango whiskey 28:45.360 --> 28:53.920 alpha t-e-c-h dot org and so so with with these new people submitting stuff do you foresee yourself 28:54.640 --> 29:00.000 actually being on in november now no we're going to wait till the summer i believe just so we have a 29:00.000 --> 29:06.160 whole plethora of backup episodes okay so and we're trying to get more hosts for it the more 29:06.160 --> 29:12.560 hosts we have the less work we all do and how how would one become a host uh pretty much email me 29:12.560 --> 29:18.800 and say hey i want to do a twat and we'll send you all the information is that so it's it's it's droops 29:18.800 --> 29:28.880 at gmail.com droops at gmail.com and also in case koresh is listening koresh email 29:28.880 --> 29:33.120 droops at gmail.com or actually no i think you need to call droops right now 29:35.440 --> 29:39.040 just not right now after the show right now during the show make his phone ring 29:40.160 --> 29:42.320 it won't ring i don't have like two lines or anything 29:43.280 --> 29:43.520 uh 29:45.520 --> 29:49.200 and what what magazine subscription did you get your phone on 29:50.640 --> 29:54.560 what magazine subscription did i get my phone actually i have a uh a very old 29:54.560 --> 30:01.440 note camp it's uh very durable and i haven't changed because i like it yes you you can tell 30:01.440 --> 30:05.840 it's apparently down in mississippi there they used the old phones that are still in the wall 30:05.840 --> 30:10.480 so that's that's that's why droops sounds like he does the the quality of his telephone is degrading 30:10.480 --> 30:19.600 every minute yeah it's the extra for that actually uh let's see uh what else is going on with uh 30:19.600 --> 30:26.480 troops we're working on infanelicon tv um which is a really cool thing that we do because we put out 30:26.480 --> 30:31.520 a lot more episodes than that like bin rev tv show thing i don't know i don't know what's going on 30:31.520 --> 30:38.640 they're lame over there aren't they something about fur games i don't know if if i'm a smart man 30:38.640 --> 30:42.640 i wouldn't think like my critical infrastructure or like hurricane would wipe it out every summer 30:43.680 --> 30:47.840 and i think after the first summer i'd learn but uh i'm not saying anything guys don't take a 30:47.840 --> 30:54.000 chance you're you're basically pissing off all of southern southern florida right now 30:55.600 --> 30:59.760 whatever like you like you should talk what where do you exactly do you live 31:00.640 --> 31:07.040 i live in north Mississippi on top of the hill oh on top of the hill okay yeah didn't didn't you 31:07.040 --> 31:12.240 didn't you certainly have a uh like a certain hurricane that started with a k kind of was in 31:12.240 --> 31:17.760 the news a bit i forget what they called it karen i don't know i don't know about those people 31:17.840 --> 31:24.880 yeah well see you lucked out because a lot of other people didn't actually i'm talking like 31:24.880 --> 31:31.280 the sound of it but uh the day after katrina hit i used all the money that i had and bought gasoline 31:31.280 --> 31:36.160 and drug down there and gave it away to people if i'm not just a big mouth that talks mean about 31:36.160 --> 31:43.520 people aren't people i actually tried to help too aren't you just a good i don't love eating 31:43.520 --> 31:44.640 mom because i'm an idiot 31:48.240 --> 31:52.000 but just think of how many people you helped out and all that stuff 31:52.000 --> 32:04.160 you were an amazing you were an amazing person so five zone since you've been absolutely dead 32:04.160 --> 32:09.200 quiet what have you been doing uh actually this week i've been trying to write an article about uh 32:09.840 --> 32:17.440 reading codes out of the uh off of keys off physical keys trying to figure out the cuts by the stamp on 32:17.440 --> 32:25.040 the key that kind of thing so i'm writing up an article oh really this is and hopefully i can uh 32:25.040 --> 32:29.200 submit that to one of the magazines and uh hopefully do a little video about it too 32:31.040 --> 32:35.360 so so wait so those little letters and numbers on my keys that's what the hell those mean 32:35.360 --> 32:40.080 yeah it tells you what cut what the cuts are from the uh from the shaft of the key to the tip 32:40.080 --> 32:48.400 hmm it tells you exactly the depth to cut i must say i was very unaware of that i just thought it 32:48.400 --> 32:53.200 was some type of identifying mark yeah it's no it's uh it'll tell you exactly how to cut the key 32:53.840 --> 32:59.680 uh it depending on the kind on the type of key whether it's quick set or or whatever so you can 32:59.680 --> 33:04.160 either do that or you can trace it with a pencil it's the old trick um and there's a couple more that 33:04.160 --> 33:09.760 i'm going to turn out i hope but other than that just teaching teaching unix class and that's 33:09.760 --> 33:18.560 about the depth of my week so you're teaching the class on how to be a eunuch yes exactly i'm not 33:18.560 --> 33:24.480 i'm i don't want to take that class myself yeah it takes it doesn't take much balls 33:27.280 --> 33:28.240 very nicely played 33:30.960 --> 33:38.720 so yes yeah i don't think i told you what i was doing basically i i i'm not not theory told me 33:38.720 --> 33:44.720 yesterday that bell's mind is doing an overhaul so i i basically get to uh sit down and i took 33:44.720 --> 33:48.720 this advantage took this time that because technically apple by phone won't be working 33:48.720 --> 33:54.800 because bell's mind will be down and working and not working later so i'm basically taking 33:54.800 --> 33:59.520 this time to overhaul my code and do everything right and i'm hopefully going to have a new and 33:59.520 --> 34:05.760 improved yet another payphone list or well at least at least new lord knows it won't be improved 34:05.760 --> 34:13.840 because god damn it the website sucks but here's hoping so yes that's that's what i've been doing 34:13.840 --> 34:18.000 this week i basically decided to take everything down and i moved it over to a new server today and 34:18.880 --> 34:21.440 i i think it's working now but lord only knows 34:24.240 --> 34:29.760 you've got a dot net uh client interface now right oh yeah i got my dot net client technically i just 34:29.760 --> 34:37.760 decided to show that off but in reality i i i hadn't touched it in forever we do have a live call 34:37.760 --> 34:46.800 in who do we have we have luminaire from uh from toronto i think huh should i bring him in sure all 34:46.800 --> 34:54.480 right let's bring him in here hello luminaire hey luminaire how you doing what's going on not too much 34:54.480 --> 35:01.040 welcome to the vendor of radio thank you very much uh i just wanted to say that uh i was talking to 35:01.040 --> 35:06.640 a couple people in irc and there seems to be a couple more of us from toronto than i thought um 35:08.240 --> 35:15.920 the current state of our 2600 uh group is interesting to say the least so uh anyone from toronto or in 35:15.920 --> 35:24.080 the general toronto area feel free to email me at salvea at gmail.com that's s-a-l-v-e-y-a 35:24.080 --> 35:30.800 at gmail.com and uh ratchet i'll let you do the phonetic alphabet on that i i really don't care 35:30.800 --> 35:35.760 because i really wasn't paying attention how it's spelled oh i'm sorry i'll toss it up in the irc later 35:37.040 --> 35:42.640 um yes this is for people in the toronto area who wants to do the whole 2600 or anything 35:42.640 --> 35:48.080 uh well anyone who doesn't want to go to the 2600 or just wants to meet up sort of like a 35:48.080 --> 35:56.160 ah i want to see the numbers if you will pardon an anti-2600 if you will uh i i want to find out 35:56.160 --> 36:01.840 what kind of numbers i have before calling it a bin rev meeting basically dude just call it a bin rev 36:01.840 --> 36:09.440 if bin rev uh what was it bin rev 508 no 508 978 whatever whatever the one that was in framing 36:09.440 --> 36:17.760 him was had had one person show up to it so oh man that shit's not gonna fly so seriously i mean 36:17.760 --> 36:22.240 he's still a bin rev meeting he's out there he's waiting for people to show up so it's still a meeting 36:22.240 --> 36:27.920 if one person shows up it's just not else so be proud call yourself a bin rev meeting okay well 36:27.920 --> 36:37.600 bin rev pride biatch oh okay i'm sorry um my other question if i may ask away uh you mentioned uh 36:37.600 --> 36:43.280 c-sharp and ifolder on the uh twat that you ran you actually play around with the code of ifolder 36:44.240 --> 36:47.200 ifolder i never actually mentioned ifolder i just talked about c-sharp 36:47.200 --> 36:52.880 novelle's ifolder project oh oh yes well novelle's ifolder project i haven't actually played around 36:52.880 --> 37:00.400 with it but there's a uh c-sharp implementation of it it's actually all c-sharp and mono yes it is 37:00.400 --> 37:06.320 uh right now it's only peer-to-peer and the uh the actual server-based one looks a lot cooler but 37:06.320 --> 37:11.520 it's not if it is working it's barely working well that's that that's what code is it's always 37:11.520 --> 37:18.320 barely working oh okay i'm sorry uh no i see i haven't actually played with it and i don't have 37:19.200 --> 37:24.080 uh i actually didn't notice the server code which was really scary because i've kind of disappointed 37:24.080 --> 37:28.400 myself that i didn't notice that but uh i i kind of looked at it and said wow that's really cool 37:28.400 --> 37:32.640 that you're implementing it but at the same point i said well geez i don't have enough l server so 37:32.640 --> 37:38.320 i'm just kind of hosed oh and it runs on everything it's all uh it's all peer-to-peer so you can run it 37:38.320 --> 37:46.000 on linux and share between mac and windows you don't need an actual server that was i was 37:47.840 --> 37:56.080 so i was just a noob then i wouldn't say that but no it is that was my motivation to pick up mono and c-sharp 37:56.080 --> 37:58.800 to to try and take a look at that but since you already know it 38:02.160 --> 38:06.320 well i actually i got taken down a notch i tried to write an implementation of uh 38:07.760 --> 38:14.560 uh acidus's tiny disk in c-sharp and and really i i failed miserably i i don't know how it worked but 38:15.360 --> 38:20.720 oh boy it just it just it didn't work it didn't couldn't decode it and the whole encryption thing 38:20.720 --> 38:25.200 just failed miserably and it's sitting in the room it's a remnants of my home direct 38:27.040 --> 38:31.840 i wouldn't even want to try and match up any any of my cleverness against that guy's ideas 38:34.320 --> 38:38.480 well it's cool i i mean i got it to i got it to submit and pull out uh 38:39.360 --> 38:43.120 disks and like you know the clusters and everything i just never actually decode it 38:43.120 --> 38:47.200 it was a brilliant idea and i got it partially working i just never actually got it working into 38:47.200 --> 38:55.440 something useful so all right acidus you owned me all right i think we should move on to our 38:55.440 --> 39:00.480 topic and then we'll take more calls uh if they come in during the topic and then towards the end 39:00.480 --> 39:04.880 of the show we'll take some more calls all right you guys do you want to toss a number out again yeah 39:04.880 --> 39:10.480 if you're all right uh i'll talk we'll talk to you later thanks for calling here all right later 39:10.480 --> 39:17.520 later man later man all right so the uh the number if you're calling from inside the united states 39:18.160 --> 39:32.400 is 800-732-0442 and if you're calling from outside the united states dial country code 1-213-415-1047 39:32.400 --> 39:42.160 all right so our our main topic tonight as we previously stated is is freak nick so we'll 39:42.160 --> 39:46.960 we'll just toss the general question right on out there so guys you both went how was freak nick 39:48.080 --> 39:56.080 you go first uh okie doke uh i had a ball there it was my first uh con and uh there were about 39:56.720 --> 40:02.720 three or four of the uh talks that i really liked um most of them were pretty good but i drank a lot 40:02.720 --> 40:07.440 of beer so i don't remember a lot of them uh but there were there were about three or four that were 40:07.440 --> 40:14.960 great uh of course acidus his talk was uh on layer seven fun was good uh there was a guy named ethan 40:14.960 --> 40:23.520 mccarger i believe was his name uh did a uh talk about uh using your internal cable system to uh transmit 40:23.520 --> 40:30.240 your own your own uh channels across the cable uh it was called dr cable love and that was pretty good 40:31.600 --> 40:36.880 and uh other than that the uh i don't know if you've heard about decodes outbound content compliance 40:36.880 --> 40:45.920 uh uh talk no i can't say that i have it was really good it opened a lot of people's eyes i think to uh 40:45.920 --> 40:51.520 what was going out of their networks uh and he was really talking about uh you know are you going to 40:51.520 --> 40:56.640 know if your employees are sending out you know xls spreadsheets with company database you know 40:56.640 --> 41:01.680 company information in them those kind of things and they apparently have products they're uh 41:01.680 --> 41:05.200 first and second generation products that are looking for that kind of thing and logging them 41:06.080 --> 41:11.040 uh and i think a lot of people were real interested in that so i think that's coming up on the horizon 41:11.040 --> 41:14.160 most likely we'll be hearing a lot about that 41:14.160 --> 41:23.600 other than that the uh the web security 101 was not too bad i'm a noob on that you know coding 41:23.600 --> 41:30.880 web security uh and maxi i think it was maxi z did that presentation and it was it was pretty 41:30.880 --> 41:36.800 interesting i was kind of disappointed that they uh they talked about uh how to prevent like passing uh 41:36.800 --> 41:43.920 or people grabbing like mt md5s off the uh off the network and and reversing them uh but they didn't 41:43.920 --> 41:50.320 talk about things like yahoo does with like passing you a token uh and taking your md5 password and 41:50.320 --> 41:54.880 encrypting that with it and then passing the whole thing back and comparing it so i was kind of 41:54.880 --> 41:58.240 disappointed they didn't get into that kind of level but overall it was a pretty good talk 42:00.800 --> 42:05.760 other than that uh droops probably had a better overall feel for it i spent a lot of time just in 42:05.760 --> 42:12.480 in the room hacking were you were you just what were you doing pony owning dog networks and stuff 42:12.480 --> 42:21.280 or uh no we were just uh just playing uh we worked on a on a couple of pat twos um and uh just playing 42:21.280 --> 42:26.960 around another guy was there with as soon as he saw heard acidus uh talk had to go back to the room 42:26.960 --> 42:33.840 and start pulling stuff out of google um out of google images and doing layer seven stuff there 42:33.840 --> 42:41.440 yeah acidus's talk was pretty awesome i i didn't actually well of course i wasn't there so i 42:41.440 --> 42:45.440 couldn't actually watch it but at the same point i i did download his presentation and just some of 42:45.440 --> 42:52.560 the crazy shit that he just thought of was like wow cool cool enough that i wanted to say hey let's 42:52.560 --> 42:57.360 let's go write my own implementation of this so i can do it in c sharp and oh what a what a 42:57.360 --> 43:03.200 starry eyed delirium i will had failed miserably yeah 43:06.240 --> 43:11.600 so droops since since i guess you were sober and got out of your room more i guess what what did you 43:11.600 --> 43:21.760 think um let's see let's see um for everyone that's uh wondering how they could experience break 43:21.760 --> 43:26.160 noob without actually going they're one of the few cons that actually puts all the video that they 43:26.160 --> 43:31.440 took even a lot of extra stuff up on their website so that you can go watch it even if you didn't go to 43:31.440 --> 43:41.280 the con and i think their website was breaknick.info which is really really cool um let's see i got 43:41.280 --> 43:47.520 really drunk like a 15 year old kid and the first night i don't really know what happened then 43:48.240 --> 43:55.360 but supposedly i tried to um have sex with jason scotty or not real sure on that uh the rest of the 43:55.360 --> 43:59.920 time i was actually pretty knowledgeable because i sobered out finally and i got to meet a lot of 43:59.920 --> 44:06.480 very very cool people i got to see uh dr segment again got to meet iron geek uh i saw doss man again 44:06.480 --> 44:12.880 from the packet sniffers uh let's see uh low-tech mystic i'm gonna miss like a shitload of people 44:12.880 --> 44:19.360 because i've met a lot of people met to biz and his beautiful girlfriend who won miss freaknik to 44:19.360 --> 44:26.800 uh everyone's delight let's see oh a bunch of other people i saw congratulations for her 44:26.800 --> 44:34.880 yeah congratulations to freaknik um let's see did we do anything i need to bring a computer 44:35.840 --> 44:42.320 because i'm just a big noob and i like meeting people and talking to people we uh one of the 44:42.320 --> 44:47.680 really cool things about freaknik is like i've been to several times now and all the people that 44:47.680 --> 44:52.880 run it are just hanging out sharing and they're of course doing their business of making sure the 44:52.880 --> 44:57.760 con goes well but you can go to them and talk to them and if they have a free moment you know 44:57.760 --> 45:02.480 they're throwing in on the conversation they're doing some drinking with you and it's really cool 45:02.480 --> 45:08.320 in the openness of the con like everyone is friends there's not big enough for this guy i don't know 45:08.320 --> 45:13.600 who he is you doesn't look like you'd fit him with me everyone just kind of hangs out and has a really 45:13.600 --> 45:23.040 good time i really enjoy the closeness of the convention oh well i don't know do i need to keep 45:23.040 --> 45:29.520 talking i don't know did you did did did you have any uh good uh like presentations you went to 45:31.120 --> 45:36.960 yeah i went to some presentations but i did a little drinking and uh if there's only hit on the ones i 45:36.960 --> 45:44.000 didn't go to and just everyone go watch them because my opinion doesn't matter basically you 45:44.000 --> 45:47.680 couldn't remember any presentations because you were just too damn drunk don't really know 45:48.800 --> 45:53.920 my question for you guys is actually you know freak nick does have freak in the name is it a more 45:53.920 --> 45:59.920 freak oriented convention than say defcon or one of the others it's it's more of a just let's all 45:59.920 --> 46:05.360 hang out and have a convention it's not really freak oriented or heck oriented it's kind of a 46:05.360 --> 46:13.360 the general mindset kind of oriented so there is no freaking going on at the convention there's 46:13.360 --> 46:18.880 there's no tons of guys that are just have tons of blue boxes and are wiring up the ceo to do crazy 46:18.880 --> 46:28.960 things and there was some uh malicious freaking last year i can just imagine a whole like a bank of 46:28.960 --> 46:33.760 maybe 20 pay phones and every single one has somebody doing something malicious to the telephone set 46:33.760 --> 46:38.400 what's not even something malicious i can just picture if it was a it was a freaker con just like 46:38.400 --> 46:43.680 have a bank of 20 pay phones and actually have to have them wait in line for a pay phone which 46:43.680 --> 46:49.680 just hasn't happened in forever yeah retro-tacular yeah well that's not threw away all the pay 46:49.680 --> 46:54.640 cons and there's not a lot in the reaction the hotel has those little uh 46:54.640 --> 47:01.520 telephone cubicles built into the hallway and they're just like a little empty spot oh they 47:01.520 --> 47:02.720 should put cocots in there 47:05.280 --> 47:13.280 through that we should turn our own telephone company yeah we should we can be our own telephone 47:13.280 --> 47:19.840 company with asterisk with asterisk and we had a little bin rev meetup with a bunch of people 47:21.120 --> 47:25.440 oh including people that aren't even bin rev people like foggy the guy who runs not a con 47:26.560 --> 47:30.800 went to it and uh we went and ate tacos and had a really good time later 47:31.600 --> 47:37.440 tacos tacos almost as fun as as the defcon bin rev sushi outing i think 47:37.440 --> 47:44.000 yes sushi feels well the food wasn't as good as that but the conversation was very nice oh yeah 47:44.000 --> 47:49.120 well hey ratchet didn't you and i go and have like a mini taco outing at some point during defcon 47:49.120 --> 47:53.760 oh yeah like right right after our um our presentation i think yeah i think we went out 47:53.760 --> 47:59.840 we went to um i forget the name i forget the name of the tacos or something yeah it's some little 47:59.840 --> 48:04.720 hole in the wall taco shop next to you and lb and we had the greasiest most delicious burritos 48:04.720 --> 48:10.560 in the history of the universe yes i i had a taco and an enchilada and i gotta say it was damn tasty 48:12.560 --> 48:16.000 i guess that's what happens when you go into the southwest you actually meet people who know what 48:16.000 --> 48:20.160 mexican food tastes like well they don't have mexican food in boston 48:22.320 --> 48:28.160 we do but i didn't think it was that good yeah i gotta say that that's up there with one of the 48:29.280 --> 48:34.320 that's one of the better mexican food and plus it's like it was just the the entire atmosphere 48:34.320 --> 48:40.960 was great at the restaurant talk yes yes just it was it was good besides those annoying kids 48:40.960 --> 48:44.080 college kids that came by and was chatting on their cell phones what were they talking about 48:44.080 --> 48:48.880 they were talking about some totally vapid nonsense like television or something yeah i think so and 48:48.880 --> 48:55.840 we were just ignoring it so they were talking about their phones too i think i i kept uh suggesting that 48:55.840 --> 49:00.560 we should go over and offer to hack their telephones well someone was that i believe someone over 49:00.560 --> 49:04.400 there had a sidekick and it would just really pissed me off because they had a sidekick too 49:04.400 --> 49:06.960 and i just had a sidekick one and it made me feel less of a man 49:07.760 --> 49:12.640 uh ratchet you're no less of a man in my eyes now anyway 49:14.640 --> 49:16.480 tacos and phones yes 49:18.960 --> 49:23.360 so so do you guys have any fun stories from freak nick anything cool that happened 49:23.360 --> 49:29.280 well uh we learned that iron geek is a very hardcore kind of guy when he sits down at a 49:29.280 --> 49:34.960 computer like he sits down at a computer and he's in control and he's very bent on what he's doing 49:34.960 --> 49:40.640 and uh when he drinks he's the same way like uh the man has the iron geek special 49:40.640 --> 49:44.160 i don't know what it's called but he takes a little bit of uh 49:44.160 --> 49:49.280 um sweet and sour and then a lot of everything and just drinks it real fast 49:51.040 --> 49:57.360 and uh that's always fun good stuff that's good stuff right there um dr zigman actually did a 49:57.360 --> 50:02.000 pull up i don't know if he's going to use it in this video or i'm using it but he um showed us how 50:02.000 --> 50:09.600 he can break fire inside the hotel room and catch the room on fire that's always a plus i i i always 50:09.600 --> 50:14.880 think that's a very marketable skill you know i guess uh if you want to like bartender do 50:14.880 --> 50:19.920 that might be important i keep finding myself wondering if you've got a better phone droops 50:22.960 --> 50:25.920 i keep i keep wondering if you have a better telephone set somewhere 50:28.720 --> 50:29.360 no worries 50:31.840 --> 50:35.520 i can just picture i can just picture dr zigman like doing like roadhouse or something 50:35.520 --> 50:41.200 dude we can have like a roadhouse on bin rev tv or hack sorry hack tv 50:43.280 --> 50:45.360 we can have like dr zigman as patrick swasey 50:46.160 --> 50:47.280 justin up in a black shirt 50:47.280 --> 50:48.880 and uh they also have a wall of shame 50:50.000 --> 50:52.640 for all the people that were using their six passwords and the right 50:53.280 --> 50:56.560 and uh i think uh fizzone found out where it was it was kind of hidden 50:57.920 --> 51:01.120 yeah it was on the uh well i think apparently it was on the gateway 51:01.120 --> 51:07.440 it was pretty clever you had to be looking to find it 51:08.560 --> 51:13.840 yeah yeah basically uh dr zigman in the dance dance revolution contest was pretty funny 51:14.400 --> 51:14.800 i got a kick 51:14.800 --> 51:15.200 oh yeah 51:16.480 --> 51:18.400 oh god there was a ddr contest 51:18.960 --> 51:21.040 a drunken ddr 51:21.040 --> 51:25.840 okay a drunken ddr contest is at least acceptable because then your coordination is impaired and 51:25.840 --> 51:31.040 really levels the playing field or totally warps it depending on what you what you believe 51:31.040 --> 51:36.480 alcohol will do to it but yeah if you want to have a ddr contest or a dddr contest 51:38.880 --> 51:41.920 direct distance revolution what uh 51:44.000 --> 51:48.160 did we have a direct distance styling revolution contest 51:48.160 --> 51:55.520 i think i think ratchet it's ratchet's phone isn't it 51:56.960 --> 51:57.760 not live buddy 51:57.760 --> 52:04.640 it's the wonders of live radio phones go off and uh 52:05.360 --> 52:06.560 yeah it's always fun 52:07.760 --> 52:10.320 would you go to dakota on here and just call this default radio 52:10.320 --> 52:11.120 yeah 52:12.160 --> 52:14.400 which which may or may not be coming back 52:14.400 --> 52:22.400 yes yes apparently on november 11th which is one one one one uh default radio is doing something 52:23.360 --> 52:27.920 there's lots of mysteriosity the rumors are flying that default radio is coming back so if you 52:28.560 --> 52:30.960 are all interested uh defaultradio.com 52:32.320 --> 52:36.960 yeah well we're assuming it's november 11th that just says the password is one one one one so 52:37.440 --> 52:38.560 lord only knows what's happening 52:39.360 --> 52:44.240 i i heard something along the lines of november 11th and i saw a countdown that said 10 days today so 52:44.800 --> 52:46.640 i assume that means november 11th 52:47.200 --> 52:49.680 that's what i think that's what people are thinking right now yeah 52:51.360 --> 52:54.720 so anyway guys my personal question is 52:55.440 --> 52:59.680 okay with hope you're in new york there's new york you can do all kinds of crazy stuff in new york 53:00.320 --> 53:04.160 uh with defcon you're in the middle of las vegas there's all kinds of crazy stuff to do in las vegas 53:04.640 --> 53:10.800 what in god's name is there to do in nashville watch the trains go by 53:11.360 --> 53:15.440 well there's the grand old opry which i don't think anyone at the convention attended 53:16.400 --> 53:22.320 and the opry opry there's prostitutes walking on the street out in front of the hotel 53:23.680 --> 53:28.400 which is always a benefit i guess um there's lots of hanging out and talking to your friends 53:28.400 --> 53:33.680 and there's beautiful southern women at the bars at night it's good fun it's a good drink in town 53:33.680 --> 53:40.000 so those those are the three things to look forward to nashville 53:42.960 --> 53:47.280 it's convenient for a lot of us we can just drive there it's easy 53:47.280 --> 53:51.840 i bet i bet that you can within a mile of freak nick by twinkies 53:54.800 --> 53:55.360 that sounds 53:55.360 --> 53:58.240 i think you can buy a lot of other things within a mile of freak nick 53:58.240 --> 54:03.040 yeah if the prostitutes are walking in front of the building i i think you can buy a lot of other 54:03.040 --> 54:07.360 things 54:07.360 --> 54:13.600 so so so well would you would you recommend that uh basically if you're not over 21 don't go to 54:13.600 --> 54:20.160 freak nick well um actually probably when we uh we had a really good time 54:21.440 --> 54:26.160 um you don't have to be drunk if you just like hanging out with like-minded people 54:26.160 --> 54:28.000 and not have something important to do like 54:28.560 --> 54:32.800 i went to vegas there was a lot of you have to be here at this time and we'll meet up with this guy 54:32.800 --> 54:36.640 and we'll give you this exciting thing and it kind of draws you away from the con and 54:37.280 --> 54:40.160 you're up on top of that big tower riding the roller coasters or whatever 54:40.160 --> 54:45.920 and uh freak nick it's more just hanging out as a big group and meeting a lot of people 54:47.840 --> 54:51.360 oh true that's that's always true because you know that that's that's as we said 54:51.920 --> 54:54.640 before back back in the day on like episode what is it 106 54:55.520 --> 54:57.360 that that's what conventions are for for meeting people 55:01.360 --> 55:04.240 and when i came home from defcon i needed a vacation it was so busy 55:04.800 --> 55:06.960 and freak nick was a vacation it was a good time 55:06.960 --> 55:12.240 okay okay and the plus is it's cheap enough that if you miss the uh 55:12.240 --> 55:14.960 it's the talks you you're not out that much money 55:14.960 --> 55:21.120 mm-hmm how expensive is it 20 bucks that's not bad that's not bad at all 55:22.800 --> 55:26.560 of course travel expenses tend to factor in too so it's not like 55:27.120 --> 55:30.400 it only costs you 20 bucks but still that's pretty damn good oh yeah 55:30.400 --> 55:38.560 yeah and uh they first 300 people got a uh uh led flashlight rechargeable about usb or something 55:39.680 --> 55:44.320 so okay that's pretty cool what's actually interesting is apparently at uh speaking of 55:44.320 --> 55:51.920 conventions and free stuff at astracon the first some small number 50 or 100 people or something 55:51.920 --> 56:00.160 got exes from digium well the digium guys were there and they gave him one oh did you what they 56:00.160 --> 56:05.760 were at freak nick yeah there's some guys wandering around with uh digium back types oh sweet 56:06.960 --> 56:12.000 remember from last week strong when the guy said that he got up the free eeksy yeah no but i that 56:12.000 --> 56:17.600 wasn't um no but that was also at astracon not uh not freak nick no that was that was at 56:17.600 --> 56:24.400 freak nick or no and astracon as well yeah yeah but the guy freak nick said he got a free eeksy and 56:24.400 --> 56:31.120 the guys from astrosquare there yeah yeah my my memory is a smidge slippery so yeah apparently 56:31.920 --> 56:35.680 we were sitting down there making uh one of these little found fans that's playing yourself and 56:35.680 --> 56:39.920 we just started on and out all the good stuff and they wandered up wondering what we were doing 56:39.920 --> 56:40.960 and we talked to him for a while 56:43.600 --> 56:45.680 it was strong's not the brightest bulb in the box 56:45.680 --> 56:48.800 yeah i'm i'm kind of dim and burning out and whatnot 56:50.000 --> 56:55.360 do do we have any callers this evening is anyone calling in no no one's called in yet uh there's 56:55.360 --> 57:04.160 wow the queue is empty we've um who wants to call in you're there how many people are listening to 57:04.160 --> 57:09.920 this live there are previously we're up to 26 i don't even know what we are there were 30 now 29 of 57:09.920 --> 57:16.560 you listening live so for all of you listening live um the lines are open you can call us and 57:16.560 --> 57:24.240 banter with us because we are kind of desperate for material here so uh again from within the us 57:24.240 --> 57:35.200 it's free for christ's sake free free free call in 800-732-0442 again 800-732-0442 57:35.200 --> 57:43.360 or if you're calling from canada or outside the united states call area code sorry country code one 57:43.360 --> 57:48.000 area code 213-415-1047 57:48.000 --> 57:54.320 devin so fison talk to new we're talking about this um this whole 57:55.520 --> 58:01.040 monitoring stuff going out of your network what what exactly was this talk about uh basically it's 58:01.040 --> 58:07.440 it's a couple of the the guy's uh handle was decode and i'm not sure what the product was but 58:07.440 --> 58:12.560 apparently there's several companies that are providing products like this you know and 58:12.560 --> 58:18.160 more or less what they're doing is logging and i'm i'm not sure i don't understand exactly how 58:18.160 --> 58:25.040 they're how they're picking what to log and what not to log but anything that's suspicious gets logged 58:25.040 --> 58:30.960 um and he was talking about going into companies and putting product in place and i think he said 58:31.680 --> 58:35.920 i forgot how many people they said one company had fired just immediately um 58:35.920 --> 58:43.920 um because they had uh broken the pornography rules or whatever in the uh for for the business 58:43.920 --> 58:48.880 and uh most of them had at least eight years tenure or something like that so it's not just you know 58:48.880 --> 58:52.720 new people working at these businesses that are that are doing this but mainly what they're worried 58:52.720 --> 58:58.960 about is people sending out like excel spreadsheets or somebody walking in a call center and selling 58:58.960 --> 59:04.640 you know social security numbers and names and that kind of uh id theft information 59:05.760 --> 59:12.080 but i'm not sure i really understand exactly how they're how they're picking what to log but from 59:12.080 --> 59:17.520 what he said they're basically logging anything that goes out with uh uh encryption on it 59:18.400 --> 59:24.480 hmm with encryption too yeah well they're they're logging that it went out with encryption so that's 59:24.480 --> 59:31.920 a suspicion yeah because lord knows only criminals have encryption yeah well and that's what he said 59:31.920 --> 59:35.520 you know he said that this is coming you know whether you like it or whether you don't these 59:35.520 --> 59:39.360 businesses are putting it in and if you'll look at your your agreement that you sign when you go to 59:39.360 --> 59:44.000 work for a company most likely they're if they haven't implemented it yet they'll be implementing it 59:44.000 --> 59:48.320 soon and they're probably already putting uh information about it into their into their policies 59:48.320 --> 59:56.480 so whether we like it or not it's probably coming well you can be like um oh shoot i'm drawing a blank 59:56.480 --> 01:00:02.480 on his name which is really bad i got the guy from iss that uh quit his job about cisco and 01:00:02.480 --> 01:00:07.280 everything happened right before it happened at black hat and apparently he never every time they sent 01:00:07.280 --> 01:00:13.440 him the non-disclosure agreement he was like i'm not signing this so you can always sort of pull that 01:00:14.640 --> 01:00:17.760 um and i'm kind of disappointed that i'm drawing a blank on his name 01:00:17.760 --> 01:00:25.040 mike lynn shame on me hmm mike lynn that could be right we have a caller presentation 01:00:26.000 --> 01:00:31.840 yes yes the cisco presentation yeah that was mike lynn uh-huh all right who's our caller our 01:00:31.840 --> 01:00:37.520 caller is uh elizare and he's got a question about a voip i think let me okay we're just going to 01:00:37.520 --> 01:00:45.920 sort of digress from the freaking topic i guess hello caller hey strong yeah hello elizare 01:00:46.640 --> 01:00:51.280 yep i'm there um i just wanted to have a ask a quick question about voip 01:00:53.360 --> 01:01:01.280 ask away yeah you're on the air hello yes hi this is elzare um i was just wondering about possible 01:01:01.280 --> 01:01:06.400 standardizations for voip it seems like a lot of the networks use their own numbering scheme 01:01:06.400 --> 01:01:14.960 and i was wondering if wouldn't it be better to just possibly make a dns record for a voip server and 01:01:14.960 --> 01:01:22.320 kind of handle it like email well i mean there is it does sort of do that already i mean the whole 01:01:22.320 --> 01:01:28.400 zip protocol is all url based yeah it would be it would be zip colon slash slash strom at stromcarlson.com 01:01:28.400 --> 01:01:33.440 and it would know that basically i'm trying to contact stromcarlson.com and i'm trying to contact 01:01:33.440 --> 01:01:38.080 a user called strom yeah i think what he's asking about though is that um you know for some sort of 01:01:38.080 --> 01:01:43.200 universal numbering plan like one one numbering space for for all numbers right well i think it 01:01:43.200 --> 01:01:48.160 was more uh were you trying to shoot for that or you're trying to shoot for you were talking about 01:01:48.160 --> 01:01:55.120 how it's like email and everything so you're looking for more url based um i get well more url based 01:01:55.120 --> 01:02:02.960 would be nice but if it uh but it would be kind of nice to have a universal standard like email and sntp 01:02:05.040 --> 01:02:14.080 well the whole um uh the whole kind of standard on it is just right now the the the quote unquote 01:02:14.080 --> 01:02:20.720 standard is uh session initiation protocol which is called sip and that that's what officially is 01:02:20.720 --> 01:02:26.400 what the standard is according to the internet engineering task force thingy whatever the 01:02:26.400 --> 01:02:32.480 ietf and so that's what everyone's shooting for and basically that's why everyone you see using 01:02:32.480 --> 01:02:39.920 you know sip sip sip sip sip sip because it's the most official standard so when you talking about 01:02:39.920 --> 01:02:43.600 like you know eq2 and everything that's not officially a standard it's just more of a standard 01:02:43.600 --> 01:02:47.600 among asterisk and personally we all think it's better so we all use it 01:02:47.600 --> 01:02:54.160 uh-huh so when you're talking about voip the standard right now is sip and rtp and all that 01:02:54.160 --> 01:03:02.560 kind of stuff all righty i guess uh what i was just shooting for was um if you integrated it with dns 01:03:03.200 --> 01:03:09.680 say you would uh you would have yes one numbering scheme for all and yeah so instead of having to go 01:03:09.680 --> 01:03:14.240 through free will dial up or anything like that you could just query the dns record and find the 01:03:14.240 --> 01:03:21.680 voip server and possibly get a host like that yeah well if you were looking at if you if you 01:03:22.480 --> 01:03:26.480 looked at our presentation we kind of briefly discovered about this it was the whole uh enum 01:03:26.480 --> 01:03:32.560 thing and what enum is is it's a dns base but it's all numbering based so but the problem is is that 01:03:32.560 --> 01:03:37.120 with the whole you know we we have this wonderful standard over in the north american continent from 01:03:37.120 --> 01:03:44.400 nampa but at the same time someone over in uh the uk well they they dial different numbers and 01:03:44.400 --> 01:03:51.200 anyway they don't have one npa nxxxxxx they have some other such nonsense which i'm not unfamiliar 01:03:51.200 --> 01:03:56.080 with because i'm not from the uk but also so you know south america asia they all have different 01:03:56.080 --> 01:04:01.680 numbering schemes okay it always really freaks me out when i'm watching like you know portugal or 01:04:01.680 --> 01:04:10.640 spanish television and i see this you know telephone number is uh one eight two oh nine 01:04:11.440 --> 01:04:14.480 17 38 i'm like what that's not a phone number 01:04:16.560 --> 01:04:19.440 and i'm sure if they looked at it right now they'd see something completely different if 01:04:19.440 --> 01:04:20.640 we showed them an american number 01:04:24.880 --> 01:04:30.080 so with the internet with the internet having no borders it's a plus but it's also a you know giant 01:04:30.080 --> 01:04:39.280 minus as most federal governments has figured out yes but it would be nice that uh uh to have one 01:04:39.280 --> 01:04:44.640 service for all so we could so we wouldn't have to all use free will dial up or something like that 01:04:47.440 --> 01:04:50.640 well eventually it'll it'll move to some sort of peer-to-peer model 01:04:51.280 --> 01:04:56.560 and um you know they'll it won't really matter what network you're on i mean the problem as you're 01:04:56.560 --> 01:05:00.320 describing basically is the real problem is that the networks don't have interconnects with each 01:05:00.320 --> 01:05:07.040 other like um that's it yeah because you know like for example if you're say you have a sprint 01:05:07.040 --> 01:05:12.880 mobile phone you want to call the user who has a a singular mobile phone you know there there are 01:05:12.880 --> 01:05:16.240 two different networks but they have interconnect agreements so they can call each other without 01:05:16.240 --> 01:05:20.320 a second thought with one numbering plan so the real problem is that the networks don't have 01:05:20.320 --> 01:05:25.200 any interconnect agreements with each other and um it's kind of a mess right now again these are 01:05:25.200 --> 01:05:29.920 the really early days of voip give it you know 10 years and it'll be completely different yes i 01:05:29.920 --> 01:05:34.720 mean we're we're basically comparing this right now as to the 1890s with the telephone system when 01:05:34.720 --> 01:05:40.160 basically you had your your town was wired for telephone and you could call basically probably 01:05:40.160 --> 01:05:44.800 within your town unless you wanted to pay a seems amount of money and go to like the local store 01:05:44.800 --> 01:05:49.680 where they had another internet another service for the other town over and that's how you pick up 01:05:49.680 --> 01:05:52.640 the long distance phone like you've ever seen the old looney tunes cartoons 01:05:55.360 --> 01:06:00.160 so i mean there there is interconnects right now but with the whole different services and different 01:06:00.160 --> 01:06:06.480 things it's just most peer-to-peer services or central semi-centralized services just don't 01:06:06.480 --> 01:06:13.040 have interconnects to other people and they don't really support that within the or most people who are 01:06:13.040 --> 01:06:18.320 using it don't understand that you can call other people via a url system or there's no centralized 01:06:18.320 --> 01:06:25.360 numbering scheme so they are in lies or trouble oh so it's so it is a url basis and you just have 01:06:25.360 --> 01:06:33.840 to figure out how to where what's what their url is yes right all right so we're going to heartily 01:06:33.840 --> 01:06:41.680 refer you to our uh asterisk demonstration on our asterisk presentation online at blackratchet.org 01:06:41.680 --> 01:06:47.440 and it gives a couple of slides on an overview of sip and also the enum system which kind of 01:06:47.440 --> 01:06:56.960 attempts to solve this hmm well thanks a lot guys yeah you've been great and uh is stank dog 01:06:56.960 --> 01:07:02.480 ever going to come to any of the uh present or any going to come to any conferences or anything 01:07:03.360 --> 01:07:10.160 um technically you'd have to ask him all righty all right thanks for calling man thank you very much 01:07:10.160 --> 01:07:13.360 man later thanks colin later bye bye bye 01:07:16.320 --> 01:07:22.320 well that was fun yes see i think every i i think people are getting ticked off that every time we 01:07:22.320 --> 01:07:27.280 have have a show i think to to complete this off we need to have a conversation about ipods 01:07:28.160 --> 01:07:33.840 yeah yeah but no but we haven't had a gentoo talk yet so so it won't work won't be complete 01:07:33.840 --> 01:07:42.720 until we talk about gentoo either yes do either of you use gentoo uh no nope no uh shucks we can't 01:07:42.720 --> 01:07:49.760 we can't go for the trifecta void gentoo and ipods but we do have a call on robots you have a call 01:07:49.760 --> 01:07:55.360 on robots about robots yeah well bring them on in we'll we'll talk about robots okay just a second i'll 01:07:55.360 --> 01:08:01.840 be back i i'm curious how i can get my own robot that will fetch me beer on command because that that's 01:08:01.840 --> 01:08:06.320 that's every person's dream right there in my opinion only if it runs debian 01:08:07.200 --> 01:08:12.560 only if it runs debian or gentoo there we go we can work a gentoo uh gentoo reference into the show 01:08:14.320 --> 01:08:18.560 did you i hear if you compile on gentoo it gets like so much faster and responds so much quicker with 01:08:18.560 --> 01:08:26.800 the beer it brings you american beer if you don't if you don't use gentoo yeah exactly no no you'd have 01:08:26.800 --> 01:08:31.440 to oh crap what's that international distribution mandrake mandrake's french you can go use that 01:08:31.840 --> 01:08:37.360 what's what's what's and we need to like have like a uk distribution if we want british beer 01:08:40.080 --> 01:08:45.680 there's no ireland distribution i can't get my guinness actually the call is it's an on-topic 01:08:45.680 --> 01:08:48.000 call it's about freak nick okay bring one in though 01:08:51.040 --> 01:08:55.600 we should have like strom the engineer we have like the doug of binrev radio is strom 01:08:55.600 --> 01:09:01.520 i feel like a feeling a person who's dedicated to uh screening phone calls yeah definitely so we 01:09:01.520 --> 01:09:09.920 have my car on the line hey guys hey what's going on not much i said a comment um about the freak nick 01:09:09.920 --> 01:09:16.320 talk that i i'm sorry i forgot who it was i was talking about about the um the talk that was going 01:09:16.320 --> 01:09:23.760 on about the guy that had a product that would watch like outgoing excel files and whatnot um those of 01:09:23.760 --> 01:09:28.720 you who know me know i work for a uh telecom company um i'm not going to name it for security 01:09:28.720 --> 01:09:35.120 purposes over the phone here but um this uniac telephone what's that yeah we can call it the 01:09:35.120 --> 01:09:44.560 telephone right um i uh yeah so we actually have something like that similar implemented at my work 01:09:44.560 --> 01:09:50.240 i'm a net admin for the local network inside the office and uh there's some problems with people 01:09:50.240 --> 01:09:56.800 emailing them um excel files basically just like you're talking about and you know other work 01:09:56.800 --> 01:10:03.120 related documents back to themselves at home and like posting online and you know doing crazy 01:10:03.120 --> 01:10:09.600 shit with it so they have this implemented the way our system is set up um there's a gateway that any 01:10:09.600 --> 01:10:14.880 of our traffic generated from any of the computers within this network it passes through this gateway 01:10:14.880 --> 01:10:22.960 um and it's kind of a layer on top of this gateway so it first goes through the gateway to verify if the 01:10:22.960 --> 01:10:30.080 information is legitimate if it is it passes it off to the correct place um you know email you know dns 01:10:31.280 --> 01:10:38.880 web traffic etc etc um if it's web traffic or it's email traffic it it sends it back through to this 01:10:38.880 --> 01:10:44.720 other layer with this um i can't remember the name of what the product is but um it basically sorts 01:10:44.720 --> 01:10:49.040 through all the packet information if it pulls out anything relating to like excel anything like 01:10:49.040 --> 01:10:56.320 that it flags it it denies the request and it sends an alert uh email off to the admin usually me in 01:10:56.320 --> 01:11:04.320 in that case um with the ip of where this is coming from when that happens you know we got to 01:11:04.320 --> 01:11:10.480 go and track down where the ip is located at and slap somebody on the wrist but it's pretty 01:11:10.480 --> 01:11:17.600 interesting how it works and i'd personally slap them upside the head exactly what the hell are you 01:11:17.600 --> 01:11:21.760 doing whack right what are you thinking man put it on a jump drive you'd be okay 01:11:25.440 --> 01:11:29.600 but yeah i just wanted to throw that out there because i've actually seen that stuff work it's 01:11:29.600 --> 01:11:36.240 pretty cool sweet well that sounds awesome micr right on i'm gonna drop off let somebody else get 01:11:36.240 --> 01:11:40.960 down here and have fun so okay cool good stuff guys later okay scheduling man 01:11:44.800 --> 01:11:48.720 if that's something people are interested in i would definitely say go go to the uh to the 01:11:48.720 --> 01:11:53.760 freak nick video site and check out decode's uh presentation since you can see the video and 01:11:53.760 --> 01:11:58.160 and i believe you told the product but i don't i don't remember exactly what what the product was 01:11:58.160 --> 01:12:06.800 but there are several others like it i i i don't believe it is uh up yet oh i i just sort of checked 01:12:06.800 --> 01:12:14.560 out the website i i didn't see it but uh i i will i will be patiently waiting i'll be interested about 01:12:14.560 --> 01:12:23.680 that my my my my uh workplace has something similar but um it's just very url based and it's very 01:12:23.680 --> 01:12:30.400 convenient that nobody checks it anymore so you know they they basically had a jihad for about 01:12:30.400 --> 01:12:36.640 oh two months and then they realized that i mean that people stopped doing anything so they stopped 01:12:36.640 --> 01:12:43.840 checking it now people are back to their old ways yeah i just checked in the uh that that video is up at 01:12:43.840 --> 01:12:54.400 freak nick dot willpig dot org oh so it is there yeah it's the uh third video down hmm so you can go 01:12:54.400 --> 01:13:03.680 check that out it's about 270 meg another call okay this is schwa z 01:13:03.680 --> 01:13:17.680 hello schwa we need to work on this whole we need to get up on this whole uh quickly transferring 01:13:17.680 --> 01:13:29.200 him in yeah we do need to right what the heck is it so did we lose our did we lose our caller 01:13:29.200 --> 01:13:33.040 um uh live radio 01:13:39.120 --> 01:13:47.200 there we go hello schwa hey what's up strom how are you doing well how are you man i'm good oh your 01:13:47.200 --> 01:13:54.160 delay actually isn't that bad on the uh from telephone to headphones but i will come off because 01:13:54.160 --> 01:13:59.120 it is incredibly annoying um i wanted to call and tell you about the neat day i had today 01:13:59.120 --> 01:14:04.880 i was thinking about you when i was at the sbc building um are you were thinking of us we feel 01:14:04.880 --> 01:14:11.440 so loved well um you know how it is when you're um i just got this new job where i'm doing mike 01:14:11.440 --> 01:14:16.240 breaker maintenance and testing for all sorts of different companies and i have this snazzy little 01:14:16.240 --> 01:14:21.920 pass that lets me in sbc buildings and so my boss was giving me a tour today and i got down and there's 01:14:21.920 --> 01:14:28.160 this old room in the basement at uh sac main i live in sacramento area and you go in this room 01:14:28.160 --> 01:14:34.640 and it's like everything since the dawn of phones like a strong would have busted a nut all over the 01:14:34.640 --> 01:14:40.480 place i don't know if i can even take him in there it might not be safe um i wish i had you with me and 01:14:40.480 --> 01:14:46.240 you could explain to me exactly what everything um had done but uh i don't know of course it made me 01:14:46.240 --> 01:14:50.640 think of you i wanted to call in cool so what was in there were there like operator boards and whatnot 01:14:51.200 --> 01:14:55.680 okay you know that book that we were looking at the other day um or the other day back when i 01:14:55.680 --> 01:15:00.320 used to live at your place and you were showing me all those uh like old robotic switch gears 01:15:00.320 --> 01:15:06.560 yeah yeah yeah the telephone system book i there was those physically in there there was um 01:15:07.280 --> 01:15:11.360 operator switch panels where they would take the cords and connect you physically 01:15:11.360 --> 01:15:20.720 to another line um a bunch of really neat old books from like 1910 1920 on telephony um 01:15:21.360 --> 01:15:24.160 unfortunately i didn't get to spend much time in there but i'm gonna have to take you for a tour 01:15:24.160 --> 01:15:29.360 when you come visit i will i will i will report this is in sacramento 01:15:30.480 --> 01:15:34.960 yeah exactly so so like where is this located and what what is this stuff doing there 01:15:35.760 --> 01:15:40.080 they keep it and they put it on display i guess um every once in a while they'll have a 01:15:40.080 --> 01:15:45.040 a little fair outlining the uh history of telephony and then they'll take all this stuff 01:15:45.040 --> 01:15:48.880 out and put it on display but it's weird it's just kind of like haphazardly piled 01:15:48.880 --> 01:15:54.400 in this little storage room in a basement in a pretty much unmanned building a big sbc building 01:15:54.400 --> 01:16:00.400 downtown really has no significant human presence other than general contractors that go in there 01:16:02.000 --> 01:16:07.200 else is dealt with remotely in the north operating center and operating center and it's just so 01:16:07.200 --> 01:16:10.160 there's rooms randomly filled with weird shit there and that's one of the things i discovered 01:16:10.160 --> 01:16:17.280 today that's cool and jittery yeah hey that's what we get when we're using voip voip is fun yeah 01:16:17.280 --> 01:16:22.320 voip voip voip oh i should make it more fun i'll call you on my voip telephone oh boy 01:16:23.040 --> 01:16:25.440 while i'm trying to download porn i'm trying to download porn 01:16:25.440 --> 01:16:28.400 oh i love how that echoed just that moment 01:16:30.560 --> 01:16:34.880 as he as he as he downloads porn yes well cool 01:16:37.360 --> 01:16:39.600 yeah so expect a tour of that when you come up 01:16:40.320 --> 01:16:43.600 so we'll hopefully get pictures of that for all of our telephone geeks 01:16:45.040 --> 01:16:46.960 oh yeah i'll have to uh sneak a camera in there 01:16:48.560 --> 01:16:48.960 definitely 01:16:48.960 --> 01:16:52.560 i'm going to have to break the rules for that yeah i'm sure you're not supposed to be talking 01:16:52.560 --> 01:16:55.040 about it on hacker tv hacker radio shows so 01:16:56.640 --> 01:16:58.320 i think it's fine they won't know who i am 01:16:59.920 --> 01:17:03.040 sure they won't unless they have one of these content filtering device on the edge 01:17:04.240 --> 01:17:09.360 no it's totally fine i'm i'm only on an sbc telephone that i'm calling in like an sbc service 01:17:09.360 --> 01:17:14.000 from while i'm listening to you guys streamed on my sbc dsl connection not a problem 01:17:16.800 --> 01:17:20.800 we're owned we just like i'm sure he's like going to get disconnected like right now 01:17:20.800 --> 01:17:25.840 now sbc sbc swat teams are going to be coming in and like black helicopters 01:17:26.960 --> 01:17:32.160 black helicopters of course with the sbc logo on it this reminds me of that image that uh that 01:17:32.160 --> 01:17:34.800 that 01:17:38.320 --> 01:17:40.720 ah see lord lord knows what has happened 01:17:40.720 --> 01:17:47.840 who knows what has happened to the brave brave person there horrible 01:17:49.440 --> 01:17:50.880 sorry my phone rang 01:17:52.720 --> 01:17:56.480 it's very fortuitous that he's hung up because it's just kind of about time to wrap up 01:17:57.360 --> 01:17:58.320 yeah i think so too 01:18:00.160 --> 01:18:00.560 yes 01:18:00.560 --> 01:18:02.960 yeah yeah i think i think it's wrap-up time 01:18:05.040 --> 01:18:06.400 everyone's just sort of dead quiet here 01:18:06.400 --> 01:18:09.680 yeah this is one of the least talkative episodes have been rev radio ever 01:18:09.680 --> 01:18:14.000 yeah we've dropped off to 24 listeners we are uh we're losing them fast 01:18:15.200 --> 01:18:19.120 shame on them well we have we enjoy those 24 hardcore listeners plus it's scary you know 01:18:19.920 --> 01:18:23.120 people are people are staying up past their bedtime they gotta go to bed 01:18:23.760 --> 01:18:28.880 twinkies for everyone yes all right i'm going to go into announcements here 01:18:29.760 --> 01:18:34.400 um been rev meeting southern california in victorville hesperia apple valley area 01:18:34.400 --> 01:18:35.680 uh 01:18:35.680 --> 01:18:40.240 calis plus meeting at gmail.com and that's sort of been about a month so we're gonna have to take 01:18:40.240 --> 01:18:41.520 that off the announcements next week yeah 01:18:41.520 --> 01:18:48.240 uh and also merck might be setting up a meeting in the 301 202 area code dc in the suburbs that would 01:18:48.240 --> 01:18:55.920 be merck m-e-r-k at twatech.org and of course um ask him more information or you want to help 01:18:55.920 --> 01:19:01.680 whatever and we can't forget luminaires uh meeting in where do you say ontario or toronto or something 01:19:01.680 --> 01:19:07.680 yes toronto yeah toronto ontario canada if you're interested send email to him at 01:19:08.240 --> 01:19:15.200 salvea at gmail.com that's s-a-l-v-e-y-a at gmail.com 01:19:18.960 --> 01:19:25.120 either way uh also uh first friday of the month this week so 2600 meetings boston 2600 will be meeting 01:19:25.120 --> 01:19:32.560 at the prudential food court starting around 5 5 30 or so i will be there in all my glory 01:19:33.920 --> 01:19:40.480 and uh la 2600 will be at at starting at union station at 5 p.m pacific standard time 01:19:41.040 --> 01:19:48.480 uh moves to philippe's at 1001 north alameda at 7 p.m pacific time and then we go to the denny's 01:19:48.480 --> 01:19:56.800 on ramirez street at 10 p.m pacific standard time and also another announcement if you've forgotten 01:19:56.800 --> 01:20:01.520 i know some of you out there probably live in a world where this doesn't make a difference but uh 01:20:01.520 --> 01:20:09.120 change your wristwatch we change from daylight to standard time on sunday and i i wouldn't 01:20:09.120 --> 01:20:14.960 bother to announce this but because of our snafu earlier with going on live because somebody forgot 01:20:14.960 --> 01:20:22.080 to change the time from daylight to standard uh you you would do well to double check your wristwatches 01:20:22.080 --> 01:20:25.920 and everything and make sure that if you were in a time zone that does daylight savings time 01:20:26.480 --> 01:20:31.680 uh change it to standard time now i'll have to check my servers now because now i'm not sure if 01:20:31.680 --> 01:20:37.040 they're all saying i i know my desktop and my computer at work updated fine along with my laptop but 01:20:37.040 --> 01:20:43.760 other than that it's all just kind of normal i'll check my other laptop nope see my other laptop is 01:20:43.760 --> 01:20:51.040 messed up it thinks it's 11 53 right now oh dear i'll have to fix that um 01:20:52.160 --> 01:20:58.240 shouts got shouts from uh yeah let's see odd flux begged and pleaded for shouts so shout to odd flux 01:21:00.640 --> 01:21:09.840 oh pardon me a side zone uh yeah i got a few um sin shard uh send shouts out to pseudonym 01:21:09.840 --> 01:21:16.880 uh pucky hoberry and uh guy i met up at a freak nick low tech mystic that'll do it for me 01:21:18.640 --> 01:21:23.600 i'm not sure if troops is currently on he said he fell off i'm still here oh he's still here thank god 01:21:25.200 --> 01:21:30.400 true yeah i got a shout out to uh y'all for letting us be on the show even though we didn't really talk 01:21:30.400 --> 01:21:37.280 a lot uh shout out to uh iron geek the newest member of the little infonomicon um buddy club 01:21:38.400 --> 01:21:45.120 uh we haven't come up with a cool name for that yet uh shout out to patrio and low tech mystic for 01:21:45.120 --> 01:21:50.880 helping out with some of the stuff that we're doing and all the people that are helping out with swat i 01:21:50.880 --> 01:21:59.360 i appreciate all the help y'all give me indeed indeed um me i'll send shouts out to koresh uh by the 01:21:59.360 --> 01:22:05.280 way koresh actually sent me in that it's michael lynn who was the uh person at black hat that got 01:22:05.280 --> 01:22:10.960 pwned by cisco in the fbi and he also wants me to announce that koresh's asterisk service is up and 01:22:10.960 --> 01:22:14.800 running and apparently just experienced the wonders of asterisk and he's very proud of it 01:22:14.800 --> 01:22:22.400 i'll also send shouts out to uh gi joe who's just catching the end of bin rev radio just popped 01:22:22.400 --> 01:22:28.400 on and i am to me apparently he has too much better stuff to do to uh going to college and everything 01:22:29.440 --> 01:22:39.360 shame on him uh site of the week is uh open pbx.org open proper bravo x-ray as in private branch 01:22:39.360 --> 01:22:44.720 exchange it's a fork of the asterisk code it looks interesting but i'm i'm not going to run 01:22:44.720 --> 01:22:49.440 it just yet i'll wait and watch they have to prove themselves first asterisk leaves me a nice 01:22:49.440 --> 01:22:54.800 warm fuzzy feeling i don't want to lose that yeah it it looks interesting where they've got some 01:22:54.800 --> 01:23:00.000 really bizarre ambitions for what they want to do with the code so it's like just figure out what you 01:23:00.000 --> 01:23:06.880 want to do first then figure out what candy you want to add yes it's it i i think they're just kind 01:23:06.880 --> 01:23:13.280 of suffering from uh we have this brand new project what can we do with it yeah i think they're just 01:23:13.280 --> 01:23:20.320 going to uh i think they're going to come out and i hope they're going to actually do well um email 01:23:20.960 --> 01:23:25.680 radio at bin rev.com and our voicemail do you want to get the voicemail number out yeah voicemail 01:23:25.680 --> 01:23:31.520 numbers are actually the same as the common lines you can call toll-free within the u.s i'll repeat it 01:23:31.520 --> 01:23:40.880 again even though i've said it a million times uh within the u.s 800-732-0442 and uh outside the u.s 01:23:40.880 --> 01:23:50.480 213-415-1047 what's what's our closing music tonight there strom our closing music is from 01:23:50.480 --> 01:23:56.560 epitonic.com it's a guy named jeremy robson and this is the tetris piano concerto in a minor 01:23:57.760 --> 01:24:03.520 that's that's that's epitonic.com had that yeah epitonic.com had the tetris piano concerto in a 01:24:03.520 --> 01:24:09.840 minor it sounds bizarre but it is really really cool well that'll be interesting to listen to 01:24:11.600 --> 01:24:16.880 so i think that's going to wrap it up and uh we'll just as always we'll see you next week same hack 01:24:16.880 --> 01:24:28.400 time same hack channel 01:24:28.400 --> 01:24:58.380 Thank you. 01:24:58.400 --> 01:25:28.380 Thank you. 01:25:28.400 --> 01:25:58.380 Thank you. 01:25:58.400 --> 01:26:28.380 Thank you. 01:26:28.400 --> 01:26:58.380 Thank you. 01:26:58.400 --> 01:27:28.380 Thank you. 01:27:28.400 --> 01:27:58.380 Thank you. 01:27:58.400 --> 01:28:28.380 Thank you. 01:28:28.400 --> 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