WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:07.840 This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers 00:07.840 --> 00:12.740 I see in binary, I speak source code 00:12.740 --> 00:16.560 Step on my toes, I'll post a million jpegs with you in a fag tone 00:16.560 --> 00:19.240 In your digital stance, sitting firewalls ho 00:19.240 --> 00:21.740 Cause I'm riding the net in my dick phone 00:21.740 --> 00:23.520 I was a dick with my 56 00:23.520 --> 00:26.540 Now with my cable, I'm able to get that stable 00:26.540 --> 00:28.820 On the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo 00:28.820 --> 00:32.560 On the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm a hero 00:32.560 --> 00:35.220 In a flash, I'll fool you on burning Dreamcast 00:35.220 --> 00:38.460 You need some ISO? Let me do my hard drive rifle 00:38.460 --> 00:40.500 Our exchange you could never stifle 00:40.500 --> 00:43.640 In a digital hood, you just caught the love bug 00:43.640 --> 00:47.640 I bootlegged your CD, I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z 00:47.640 --> 00:49.880 Your CG, it's all gonna be free 00:49.880 --> 00:52.380 Whether we take it by force or we take it night free 00:52.380 --> 00:54.160 You feel that rattling in your bones? 00:54.500 --> 00:56.380 When I tell you we just hacked out Jones 00:56.380 --> 00:58.520 And NASDAQ, leave your pride on your back 00:58.520 --> 01:00.840 Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack 01:00.840 --> 01:03.700 Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack 01:03.700 --> 01:06.600 This is dedicated to the hackers and the crew 01:06.600 --> 01:09.880 They're real close, so it's a total of high school 01:09.880 --> 01:11.580 Randy, 50, 50 01:11.580 --> 01:18.380 Hello! Welcome to Binary Revolution Radio, episode 122 01:18.380 --> 01:22.380 With the days of your date being November 15th, 2005 01:22.380 --> 01:24.700 I'm Black Ratchet and Strom is... 01:24.700 --> 01:26.800 Where is Strom? I don't know 01:26.800 --> 01:27.440 He's sleeping 01:27.440 --> 01:30.120 But filling in tonight for Strom 01:30.120 --> 01:31.820 Introduce yourself 01:31.820 --> 01:34.360 Will be Dr. Zygman 01:34.360 --> 01:34.880 Woo! 01:37.700 --> 01:40.600 Despite not like having a phone 01:40.600 --> 01:44.040 This is another all-voice episode 01:44.040 --> 01:48.040 And you know, it's actually a complicated story 01:48.040 --> 01:49.500 You see the hurricane came 01:49.500 --> 01:51.100 And I forgot to pay my phone bill 01:51.100 --> 01:52.420 So I don't have a phone 01:52.420 --> 01:54.640 Oh, so that's how you were saying 01:54.640 --> 01:56.020 It was sort of Wilmer related 01:56.020 --> 02:00.760 That's what I'm using as my excuse 02:00.760 --> 02:01.480 But it's cool 02:01.480 --> 02:03.660 Cause we got to use an all-voice 02:03.660 --> 02:05.660 Without actually having to pay a VoIP provider 02:05.660 --> 02:08.020 This is just two asterisk boxes connected together 02:08.020 --> 02:08.680 Yeah 02:08.680 --> 02:12.640 So, yeah, so 02:12.640 --> 02:14.440 Now we're, you know, with VoIP 02:14.440 --> 02:16.940 With all VoIP and no phones 02:16.940 --> 02:19.140 And the fact that we're actually not live 02:19.140 --> 02:20.660 This is... 02:20.660 --> 02:23.060 I'm calling it a bit of a slapdash episode 02:23.060 --> 02:25.980 Cause I just like the term slapdash 02:25.980 --> 02:27.320 But Zygman disagrees 02:27.320 --> 02:30.120 I think slapdash is a cool word 02:30.120 --> 02:31.060 Don't get me wrong 02:31.060 --> 02:34.620 I don't think any episode of FinRev has ever slapdashed 02:34.620 --> 02:36.980 Oh, God, you just haven't been around long enough 02:36.980 --> 02:40.120 I don't know 02:40.120 --> 02:41.660 You guys pull it off real well 02:41.660 --> 02:44.160 Yeah, we just pay no attention 02:44.160 --> 02:45.000 To the man behind the curtain 02:45.000 --> 02:47.580 See, we were going to be live this week 02:47.580 --> 02:49.620 But the problem was 02:49.620 --> 02:51.960 I suddenly got a phone call today 02:51.960 --> 02:54.080 In a house that my fiancé and I 02:54.080 --> 02:55.160 Were looking at them buying 02:55.160 --> 02:56.280 And the guy said 02:56.280 --> 02:59.220 Well, geez, can you be here Tuesday at 6? 02:59.700 --> 03:00.900 And it would work out that 03:00.900 --> 03:03.580 I would be unable to be in the episode 03:03.580 --> 03:04.900 And so I said 03:04.900 --> 03:06.520 Strong, Strong, you can do this, right? 03:06.520 --> 03:07.340 And he said, sure 03:07.340 --> 03:08.960 And then he said 03:08.960 --> 03:09.800 Five minutes later 03:09.800 --> 03:11.340 Oh, no, wait 03:11.340 --> 03:14.180 I have to study for a final 03:14.180 --> 03:14.860 And it was like 03:14.860 --> 03:16.680 Or a midterm or something 03:16.680 --> 03:17.020 I don't know 03:17.020 --> 03:18.840 Some giant college thing that he does 03:18.840 --> 03:20.300 It's final time now 03:20.300 --> 03:22.360 Is it finals or midterms? 03:22.660 --> 03:24.640 Well, my finals are in two weeks 03:24.640 --> 03:27.660 So it's getting to the wire here 03:27.660 --> 03:29.740 I'm interrupting my studying of genetics 03:29.740 --> 03:32.520 I think I'm the only biological science major 03:32.520 --> 03:33.340 Slash hacker 03:33.340 --> 03:34.600 Wow 03:34.600 --> 03:36.840 Here I was thinking 03:36.840 --> 03:38.000 You're doing like video production 03:38.000 --> 03:38.480 Or something 03:38.480 --> 03:39.840 No way, dude 03:39.840 --> 03:41.740 I'm a biological sciences major 03:41.740 --> 03:45.100 That doctor's not there 03:45.100 --> 03:45.880 Just for kicks 03:45.880 --> 03:49.620 That's a good one 03:49.620 --> 03:50.660 I've got to say 03:50.660 --> 03:51.280 That's pretty good 03:51.280 --> 03:53.040 See, I've graduated 03:53.040 --> 03:55.000 And I'm actually choosing to go back 03:55.000 --> 03:55.740 For some reason 03:55.740 --> 03:58.620 I'm looking into grad school classes 03:58.620 --> 03:59.780 God help me 03:59.780 --> 04:00.780 Better than real work 04:00.780 --> 04:02.740 No, no 04:02.740 --> 04:03.840 I'm actually going for the 04:03.840 --> 04:05.540 Ultra Mega Pain version 04:05.540 --> 04:07.800 And working 40 hours a week 04:07.800 --> 04:09.340 And going for my graduate student 04:09.340 --> 04:10.100 All at once 04:10.100 --> 04:11.920 The Ultra Mega Pain 04:11.920 --> 04:12.500 That's the 04:12.500 --> 04:14.600 They put a UMP on your diploma, right? 04:14.880 --> 04:15.180 Yes 04:15.180 --> 04:16.820 Black Ratchet 04:16.820 --> 04:17.480 UMP 04:17.480 --> 04:19.920 And BS Master 04:19.920 --> 04:23.040 Actually, you know 04:23.040 --> 04:23.340 If you ever 04:23.340 --> 04:26.800 Yeah, my mother always told me 04:26.800 --> 04:28.480 That the Ph.D. and a diploma 04:28.480 --> 04:29.200 Stands for 04:29.200 --> 04:30.840 Piled High and Deep 04:30.840 --> 04:33.580 She always told you 04:33.580 --> 04:34.900 That you were very special as well 04:34.900 --> 04:35.380 Didn't she? 04:36.080 --> 04:36.820 Yes, yes 04:36.820 --> 04:38.260 She always apologized 04:38.260 --> 04:39.980 For doing those microwave repairs 04:39.980 --> 04:41.600 While she was pregnant 04:41.600 --> 04:44.140 And all that horrible thing 04:44.140 --> 04:45.040 And hitting me 04:45.040 --> 04:46.140 So now we know why you have Wi-Fi so much 04:46.140 --> 04:47.880 You're still getting microwaves 04:47.880 --> 04:48.600 Exactly 04:48.600 --> 04:53.220 Now it's all concentrated 04:53.220 --> 04:53.620 So 04:53.620 --> 04:56.120 Actually, it always disturbs me 04:56.120 --> 04:57.260 When I'm starting to use Wi-Fi 04:57.260 --> 04:57.860 For a while 04:57.860 --> 04:58.260 And like 04:58.260 --> 05:00.860 The area right underneath my 05:00.860 --> 05:01.400 Where the 05:01.400 --> 05:03.100 Where like my wireless card is 05:03.100 --> 05:04.720 My leg gets like 05:04.720 --> 05:05.740 Really, really warm 05:05.740 --> 05:07.620 And nothing's touching it 05:07.620 --> 05:08.000 And I'm like 05:08.000 --> 05:10.400 That can't be good 05:10.400 --> 05:13.560 It's those invisible radio waves 05:13.560 --> 05:14.380 They're out to get you 05:14.380 --> 05:15.880 Exactly 05:15.880 --> 05:17.540 Well, that's how microwave was invented 05:17.540 --> 05:18.580 They had the whole 05:18.580 --> 05:21.280 Basically one of the 05:21.280 --> 05:22.620 Radar operators 05:22.620 --> 05:23.780 I don't even know where the heck he was 05:23.780 --> 05:24.820 But it was during World War II 05:24.820 --> 05:25.080 That 05:25.080 --> 05:26.860 He was using the radar thing 05:26.860 --> 05:27.820 And he kept his coffee 05:27.820 --> 05:28.520 Like right there 05:28.520 --> 05:29.420 And he always noticed 05:29.420 --> 05:30.760 How it always stayed warm 05:30.760 --> 05:33.700 And that actually kind of scared him 05:33.700 --> 05:34.000 That's a good story 05:34.000 --> 05:35.680 Yes, I 05:35.680 --> 05:36.820 You know 05:36.820 --> 05:38.000 Take it with a grain of salt 05:38.000 --> 05:39.100 Because like my 05:39.100 --> 05:41.500 My 10th grade chemistry teacher 05:41.500 --> 05:41.980 Told me it 05:41.980 --> 05:42.420 And he was 05:42.420 --> 05:44.480 He was an odd bird 05:44.480 --> 05:45.160 To say the least 05:45.160 --> 05:45.720 How about that? 05:46.880 --> 05:47.600 Mr. Loomis 05:47.600 --> 05:48.140 Shouts 05:48.140 --> 05:50.400 No, no 05:50.400 --> 05:51.480 He was very strange 05:51.480 --> 05:52.080 But God 05:52.080 --> 05:52.460 He just 05:52.460 --> 05:53.840 I failed everything 05:53.840 --> 05:54.840 In that class 05:54.840 --> 05:56.340 And he always passed me 05:56.340 --> 05:57.020 So, you know 05:57.020 --> 05:58.460 Shouts to Mr. Loomis 05:58.460 --> 06:00.280 I couldn't tell you 06:00.280 --> 06:01.380 A damn chemistry thing 06:01.380 --> 06:02.360 Hmm? 06:03.840 --> 06:04.880 Yeah, Mr. Loomis 06:04.880 --> 06:06.000 You're talking to the wrong guy though 06:06.000 --> 06:06.840 Because chemistry 06:06.840 --> 06:08.040 Is my strong 06:08.040 --> 06:09.940 No, no 06:09.940 --> 06:11.120 I was a physics man 06:11.120 --> 06:12.320 I was definitely a physics man 06:12.320 --> 06:14.340 Because I never tried in chemistry 06:14.340 --> 06:15.720 Because I always knew I would pass 06:15.720 --> 06:16.060 It was 06:16.060 --> 06:16.980 It was creepy 06:16.980 --> 06:18.100 It was very creepy 06:18.100 --> 06:22.220 Reminiscing about school days 06:22.220 --> 06:24.680 Anyway 06:24.680 --> 06:26.120 And you gotta love this whole 06:26.120 --> 06:26.920 Voip lag thing 06:26.920 --> 06:28.100 It's just like old school 06:28.100 --> 06:28.840 Bin Rev radio 06:28.840 --> 06:30.640 With stank in the speakerphone 06:30.640 --> 06:32.260 And I always thought 06:32.260 --> 06:33.000 I was sounding great 06:33.000 --> 06:34.380 When I was recording the show with him 06:34.380 --> 06:35.380 And then I listened to the show 06:35.380 --> 06:36.400 And I'm on this 06:36.400 --> 06:37.320 Two second delay 06:37.320 --> 06:37.840 Constantly 06:37.840 --> 06:38.860 It's amazing 06:38.860 --> 06:42.560 Echo 06:42.560 --> 06:43.300 Echo 06:43.300 --> 06:43.880 Echo 06:43.880 --> 06:46.860 And the echo and everything 06:46.860 --> 06:49.360 So, I think we should just sort of like 06:49.360 --> 06:49.580 You know 06:49.580 --> 06:50.620 Stroll right into email 06:50.620 --> 06:52.420 And what did I say? 06:52.880 --> 06:53.480 Slapdash 06:53.480 --> 06:53.520 Slapdash 06:53.520 --> 06:58.300 Slapdash 06:58.300 --> 06:58.340 Slapdash 06:58.340 --> 06:58.660 Slapdash 06:58.660 --> 07:00.820 Slapdash 07:00.820 --> 07:01.720 Slapdash 07:01.720 --> 07:02.680 Slapdash 07:02.680 --> 07:17.280 Slapdash 07:17.700 --> 07:18.840 Our first email tonight. 07:19.720 --> 07:21.240 Black Ratchet, this one is for you. 07:21.640 --> 07:23.940 Are you lead enough to compile packages from scratch? 07:23.940 --> 07:30.300 Gent 02, Gent 02, Gent 02, Gent 02, Gent 02, Gent 02, Gent 02, Gent 02. 07:30.860 --> 07:33.800 iPods, iPods, iPods, iPods, iPods. 07:34.040 --> 07:37.600 iPods, iPods, iPods, iPods, iPods, iPods. 07:37.840 --> 07:45.360 iPods, iPods, iPods, iPods, iPods, iPods, iPods, iPods, iPods, iPods, iPods, iPods, iPods, iPods. 07:45.360 --> 07:51.060 asterisk, asterisk, asterisk, asterisk, asterisk, asterisk, asterisk, asterisk, asterisk, asterisk. 07:52.200 --> 07:52.760 Gentoo! 07:53.600 --> 07:54.700 Ha ha, sorry, Hattu. 07:54.800 --> 07:57.380 The artist formerly known as De La Natas. 07:57.620 --> 08:02.360 The artist formerly known as Natas, now known to be known as De La Natas. 08:03.040 --> 08:05.240 And I say, hey, Natas, fuck you. 08:06.680 --> 08:08.660 But this actually takes care of all of our... 08:08.660 --> 08:12.120 I'm starting to think that Natas has Tourette's. 08:12.120 --> 08:14.400 I mean, look at how many times he said that bad word, Gentoo. 08:15.400 --> 08:15.800 Exactly. 08:16.320 --> 08:17.420 Don't you use Gentoo? 08:17.540 --> 08:17.940 I forget. 08:19.560 --> 08:20.540 No, I don't use Gentoo. 08:20.840 --> 08:22.000 I'm a hardware fan. 08:22.600 --> 08:23.840 Okay, good, good, good. 08:24.100 --> 08:25.620 The Gentoo users are among us. 08:25.740 --> 08:31.340 And I'd just like to say thank you, Natas, too, for getting all of our three iPods. 08:31.400 --> 08:36.240 You know, we mentioned iPods, asterisk, and Gentoo, all in a matter of, like, you know, 30 seconds. 08:36.300 --> 08:36.880 It was amazing. 08:37.480 --> 08:40.620 And I'd also like to state for the record, I did edit this email down. 08:40.620 --> 08:45.880 Because I literally, if you actually look at this email, it's simply amazing. 08:45.980 --> 08:47.520 He just, like, kept on copying and pasting. 08:47.600 --> 08:50.580 So it was like, you know, an entire paragraph worth of iPods. 08:51.440 --> 08:55.200 Although I do believe I dictated everything that I had in the show notes verbatim, which 08:55.200 --> 08:56.340 I feel kind of proud of. 08:56.340 --> 09:11.020 I don't think Natas is that thorough. 09:11.200 --> 09:13.320 But if he did, you know, shouts it to him. 09:13.420 --> 09:14.120 Go right ahead. 09:14.840 --> 09:15.720 He is the man. 09:15.800 --> 09:16.360 What can we say? 09:16.620 --> 09:20.080 The elite war-dialing wave master. 09:21.960 --> 09:24.080 Our next email tonight is from Anonymous. 09:24.220 --> 09:25.980 I didn't sign a name, so I'm not going to say it. 09:25.980 --> 09:30.460 I've sort of shied away from my whole, going to drop your ducks, unless you say otherwise. 09:30.900 --> 09:34.280 But I got behind with BinRev Radio over the summer. 09:34.880 --> 09:36.920 While catching up, I heard you discussing Apple products. 09:37.020 --> 09:42.100 Perhaps you've moved past this, but the 28th October issue of the satirical British magazine, 09:42.840 --> 09:44.300 Private Eye, contains the following. 09:45.280 --> 09:46.100 And this is the story. 09:46.480 --> 09:50.740 Revolutionary new iPod been launched by our science correspondent, Emma P3. 09:50.740 --> 09:55.820 The computer giant Apple last night unveiled a plan for an incredible new version of its 09:55.820 --> 10:00.020 best-selling iPod range, which promises to turn the role of personal music on its head. 10:00.640 --> 10:02.540 This one actually works, said a spokesman. 10:02.680 --> 10:05.480 It doesn't freeze, crash, explode, or shortly after you buy it. 10:05.660 --> 10:06.560 And it has an extra. 10:06.720 --> 10:07.940 The screen doesn't crack either. 10:08.760 --> 10:09.220 Crapple. 10:09.220 --> 10:12.840 However, the reaction from iPod's fans will listen enthusiastic. 10:13.360 --> 10:15.060 We like our classic version, one said. 10:15.640 --> 10:18.900 With this new one, all you're going to do is spend time listening to music rather than 10:18.900 --> 10:23.140 enjoying the full iPod experience, i.e. swearing, banging against the table, or ringing the 10:23.140 --> 10:27.420 helpline to be told of what technical sports cost 30 pounds a call. 10:28.060 --> 10:32.840 The new iPod, cratchily named the iWork properly, is thought to unlikely catch on. 10:32.840 --> 10:41.860 And I've got to say, yeah, I actually didn't notice about the correspondence name MLP3 until 10:41.860 --> 10:42.660 I read it out loud. 10:42.840 --> 10:44.560 I feel kind of embarrassed about that. 10:46.620 --> 10:51.680 Do the bridge have some kind of other iPod than us, you know, United States people do? 10:52.380 --> 10:53.920 I've never had problems with mine. 10:54.000 --> 10:59.260 I think they're kind of spoofing the whole iPod nano getting scratched or something. 11:00.280 --> 11:01.560 I forget what exactly happened. 11:01.680 --> 11:02.520 Like, the screen was scratching. 11:03.280 --> 11:08.420 And I think Apple was, you know, pretty cool when they finally decided that it was an eternal 11:08.420 --> 11:09.720 defect and it was their fault. 11:09.800 --> 11:11.180 They said, well, bring them on back. 11:11.220 --> 11:11.960 We'll give you new ones. 11:11.960 --> 11:16.100 And, of course, people over here, at least, in the United States are going, lawsuit, lawsuit, 11:16.260 --> 11:18.020 lawsuit, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 11:18.980 --> 11:23.920 But I've got to say, the iPod is one of the more reliable pieces of electronics that I own. 11:24.360 --> 11:26.660 Of course, you know, now that I say this, I'm totally fucked. 11:27.320 --> 11:30.980 I'm going to wake up tomorrow and I'm going to, like, see, like, this molten pile of lava where 11:30.980 --> 11:33.800 my iPod was docked last night, or not even docked. 11:33.800 --> 11:36.380 I didn't even have one of those models plugged into the FireWire cable. 11:36.380 --> 11:39.140 Do you have an iPod, Ziggy? 11:40.200 --> 11:45.000 No, I never got behind the whole iPod craze or the whole MP3 player craze. 11:45.080 --> 11:49.120 I always stuck behind my trusty CD player that can play MP3 CDs. 11:49.400 --> 11:50.660 I call it my ghetto pod. 11:50.980 --> 11:51.480 And you know what? 11:51.500 --> 11:53.420 It doesn't have any scratches or anything on it. 11:53.540 --> 11:54.520 So, you know, it's cool. 11:54.600 --> 11:55.020 I like it. 11:55.040 --> 11:55.440 It works. 11:55.440 --> 11:57.300 I used to have one of those. 11:57.340 --> 12:01.560 I only have 135 songs, but, you know, 135 songs isn't bad on one CD. 12:03.220 --> 12:08.260 Well, I actually, before I got my iPod, I actually still think I have it. 12:08.260 --> 12:12.300 I think I have, like, a Rio SP90 or something. 12:12.420 --> 12:13.180 Something's really bad. 12:13.220 --> 12:14.560 It's an MP3 CD player. 12:15.160 --> 12:17.520 And I've got to say, it worked fantastic. 12:17.520 --> 12:21.280 The only problem I had was, you know, it went through batteries like a motherfucker. 12:21.280 --> 12:27.220 And, yeah, I dropped the MF bomb on BinRev Radio. 12:27.320 --> 12:28.660 I think that's the first time I ever did that. 12:30.120 --> 12:30.360 Really? 12:30.960 --> 12:32.340 We're going to have to go back and check. 12:32.720 --> 12:32.980 Yeah. 12:33.320 --> 12:34.780 Natus will have to do it for us. 12:35.900 --> 12:38.600 And they'll send an email the next time and say, motherfucker. 12:39.640 --> 12:40.800 Except they always say it twice. 12:41.880 --> 12:43.100 It's double time now. 12:43.140 --> 12:43.420 Yeah. 12:44.320 --> 12:44.720 Yeah. 12:44.720 --> 12:44.840 Yeah. 12:44.840 --> 12:46.420 We're pushing the edge. 12:47.720 --> 12:48.560 We are elite. 12:48.560 --> 12:52.700 Yeah, I mean, I loved it. 12:52.780 --> 12:56.580 It was pretty good, except, like, I think we go, like, through two batteries every week. 12:56.840 --> 13:00.520 And it was almost like clockwork, because I would listen to it on the way to work and 13:00.520 --> 13:01.760 on the way back on the bus. 13:02.840 --> 13:06.400 And I think it was, like, you know, about a 40-minute ride each way. 13:08.080 --> 13:08.660 I'm not even sure. 13:08.700 --> 13:10.000 Did I say, like, eight hours of battery? 13:10.760 --> 13:11.040 Hmm? 13:11.940 --> 13:15.420 Are you saying, like, eight hours of battery from your CD player compared to how many hours 13:15.420 --> 13:16.480 of battery with your iPod? 13:18.560 --> 13:21.600 Well, but I never used to listen to it at work, I think. 13:21.840 --> 13:26.320 I was, when I was actually at tech support, so I could, had to answer the phone and actually 13:26.320 --> 13:27.580 turn around when people talked to me. 13:28.380 --> 13:32.840 Now that I'm just, you know, staring at a computer for 24 hours a day, or 24 hours a day, ha-ha. 13:32.960 --> 13:34.220 Well, close to it once I get home. 13:34.460 --> 13:36.140 But now I'm just staring at a computer at work. 13:36.280 --> 13:39.120 I just sit there and, yeah, I got my headset on. 13:39.200 --> 13:41.340 I don't have to listen to any of your inane comments. 13:44.400 --> 13:45.640 I'm a horrible, mean person. 13:45.800 --> 13:46.580 But I'm proud of it. 13:46.580 --> 13:50.700 All right, why don't I read off this next email for us? 13:51.120 --> 13:51.940 Go for the gold. 13:53.020 --> 13:56.020 All right, it says, hey, host, which is very nice of them to say. 13:56.620 --> 14:00.640 I found this slightly long but interesting article about international calls for free. 14:00.820 --> 14:03.140 I believe you'll enjoy it. 14:03.320 --> 14:09.740 It gives the address, hccp colon slash slash miniaddress.com slash free calls. 14:11.040 --> 14:12.080 Keep it up with the show. 14:12.080 --> 14:13.540 It's only getting better all the time. 14:13.780 --> 14:15.940 Thanks, CXD. 14:15.940 --> 14:20.420 Well, obviously, CXD hasn't heard our slapdash episode yet. 14:21.720 --> 14:22.080 Slapdash. 14:22.340 --> 14:23.620 I don't even know where I got that. 14:23.620 --> 14:25.800 I think I got that term from Eddie Izzard, I believe. 14:26.960 --> 14:29.460 I don't even remember what, you know, what it was from. 14:29.700 --> 14:30.900 But maybe it's a British thing. 14:31.060 --> 14:37.180 Perhaps our British people can, you know, not call in, but email us as we can say if it's a British term or not. 14:38.060 --> 14:39.000 And God is the queen. 14:39.960 --> 14:40.320 Yeah. 14:41.580 --> 14:44.160 Yeah, God, queen's under fire, man. 14:44.320 --> 14:45.320 God, Al-Qaeda wants her? 14:45.420 --> 14:45.660 Jesus. 14:47.000 --> 14:53.300 First, you know, she has like two or three years off from the IRA and all of a sudden some more people want her dead. 14:53.480 --> 14:54.000 It's very sad. 14:55.640 --> 14:56.920 Fuck off, I'm the queen. 14:56.920 --> 14:57.860 He's married again. 14:57.960 --> 14:59.020 He's hanging out with that girl. 14:59.240 --> 15:01.940 Who's the new girl that the prince is hanging out with? 15:03.560 --> 15:05.920 Prince Charles or one of his sons? 15:05.920 --> 15:07.060 No, it's Prince Charles. 15:08.660 --> 15:11.240 M, M, M, no, Camilla, Camilla. 15:11.840 --> 15:12.160 Camille? 15:12.320 --> 15:12.780 Is that right? 15:13.120 --> 15:13.680 I think so. 15:13.760 --> 15:14.200 I don't know. 15:14.880 --> 15:19.160 Honestly, seriously, all I have to do is I talk to my aunt and she knows everything about the royals. 15:20.460 --> 15:21.360 It's kind of creepy. 15:21.580 --> 15:22.240 It really is. 15:23.880 --> 15:24.720 Interesting soap opera. 15:25.120 --> 15:25.400 Yeah. 15:26.460 --> 15:28.200 I'd get maybe a little origin in the background. 15:30.100 --> 15:31.780 Anyway, back to the email at hand. 15:31.980 --> 15:33.500 I don't know how the hell we got on this subject. 15:34.400 --> 15:35.220 It's all your fault. 15:35.220 --> 15:36.720 You said, like, God save the queen or something. 15:37.760 --> 15:38.760 It's the right thing's fault. 15:38.840 --> 15:39.320 They're coming. 15:42.160 --> 15:44.300 Well, let's get back to this guy. 15:44.500 --> 15:46.560 This actually leads to a weblog entry. 15:46.720 --> 15:53.800 And the guy's weblog is www.mundy.org. 15:53.800 --> 15:58.780 And I've got to say, for the record, you know, this guy is amazing. 15:59.420 --> 16:01.500 We sort of mentioned him indirectly last week. 16:01.560 --> 16:09.340 I don't know if we actually shouted his URL off on the air, but this is the guy who was doing the Bluetooth proximity and asterisk detection. 16:09.780 --> 16:10.440 Ah, yes. 16:10.740 --> 16:10.980 Yeah. 16:11.760 --> 16:13.340 That guy's awesome. 16:14.280 --> 16:17.440 And he basically, what he just did is he set up a DISA. 16:18.320 --> 16:20.540 For those of you who don't know what DISA is, an asterisk. 16:20.680 --> 16:24.100 What you can do is you can, or a lot of PBX support this. 16:24.760 --> 16:28.940 You dial in, and you, like, dial an extension, and then you dial a passcode. 16:29.300 --> 16:36.480 And what it does is it gives you a dial tone, at which point you can just dial out like you were inside the PBX, 16:36.540 --> 16:38.400 or like you were sitting at a desk and you had an extension. 16:39.400 --> 16:39.960 And what... 16:39.960 --> 16:40.480 You have dialed. 16:40.900 --> 16:41.300 Exactly. 16:41.500 --> 16:42.500 That's exactly what it is. 16:43.060 --> 16:43.280 Okay. 16:43.280 --> 16:48.100 Except that I believe the term is direct in word system access, or I don't know who thought of it. 16:48.160 --> 16:49.220 Maybe I could be wrong. 16:49.900 --> 16:51.140 I'm not into that sort of thing. 16:52.380 --> 16:59.200 But what this actually did is he set it up so that he has free incoming mobile, I believe, 17:00.020 --> 17:02.880 and free incoming minutes on his mobile. 17:02.880 --> 17:09.060 So what he does is he dials the asterisk box, enters a code, hangs up, 17:09.080 --> 17:12.320 at which point the asterisk box calls him back, and he gets a dial tone. 17:12.420 --> 17:14.760 So he can just dial up from there to whatever he wants. 17:15.500 --> 17:16.240 Very cool. 17:16.640 --> 17:16.880 Yeah. 17:18.640 --> 17:19.460 Actually, this is... 17:19.460 --> 17:22.980 Doesn't that also have something to do with caller ID spoofing as well? 17:23.640 --> 17:25.200 Well, sort of. 17:26.500 --> 17:28.020 Apparently, you were reading the notes, weren't you? 17:28.020 --> 17:32.860 Back in the day, T-Mobile... 17:32.860 --> 17:34.380 Well, I'm not sure if this still works. 17:34.900 --> 17:35.860 Lucky would know this. 17:37.660 --> 17:41.500 If you were using T-Mobile, you had free mobile to mobile minutes. 17:42.060 --> 17:47.940 What you could do is you could rig up your asterisk box to spoof out to you another T-Mobile number, 17:48.260 --> 17:50.580 and at which point you wouldn't get billed for that. 17:50.580 --> 17:54.260 You'd only get billed on the VoIP side, because T-Mobile would use your calling party number 17:54.260 --> 17:59.240 as determining whether or not this was actually a call from a mobile number 17:59.240 --> 18:02.420 or a call from a non-mobile number. 18:02.860 --> 18:04.620 So that would... 18:04.620 --> 18:07.360 So you mean billing just based on caller ID information? 18:07.860 --> 18:09.100 Well, it's not caller ID. 18:09.320 --> 18:10.520 It's calling party number. 18:10.940 --> 18:12.300 And for those of you who are curious, 18:12.420 --> 18:16.000 you can go refer to our wonderful asterisk episode, parts one and two. 18:16.520 --> 18:20.820 Like 111 and 112, I think, or 111 and 113. 18:20.820 --> 18:24.920 So, but yes, yes, it's very stupid. 18:25.040 --> 18:25.980 They shouldn't be doing that. 18:27.160 --> 18:28.420 And I'm not sure if it still works. 18:29.640 --> 18:32.020 It's not dangerous, but at the same point, you know, 18:32.160 --> 18:34.620 you're making it very easy to rip them off. 18:35.180 --> 18:37.660 And of course, as we said last week, toll fraud is stupid. 18:37.840 --> 18:38.620 This is toll fraud. 18:38.700 --> 18:39.220 Don't do it. 18:40.040 --> 18:40.900 Stay at home, kids. 18:41.460 --> 18:42.460 Don't masturbate. 18:43.420 --> 18:44.000 Stay at school. 18:44.100 --> 18:44.660 Don't do drugs. 18:45.020 --> 18:45.280 Yes. 18:45.740 --> 18:50.200 Take a bite out of crime with McGruff the crime dog. 18:50.200 --> 18:50.700 There we go. 18:51.740 --> 18:54.000 Do you hear that McGruff's, like, protecting us from terrorism now? 18:55.440 --> 18:56.260 I didn't know that. 18:56.600 --> 18:56.860 Yeah. 18:56.980 --> 18:59.560 As long as he's no longer saying duck and cover, I guess we're in good shape. 18:59.900 --> 19:01.620 No, that wasn't McGruff. 19:01.700 --> 19:04.180 That was the turtle, the civil defense turtle. 19:05.180 --> 19:06.720 Duck and cover. 19:06.960 --> 19:09.560 Yeah, because he used to cover in his shell. 19:11.140 --> 19:12.340 For those of you who don't know what we're talking about. 19:12.340 --> 19:13.460 It was a little before my time. 19:13.800 --> 19:15.080 Oh, it was very before my time. 19:15.080 --> 19:22.300 It was the whole, basically what it was during the 1950s when the U.S. government was still 19:22.300 --> 19:27.240 telling us to, oh, yeah, you know, there could be a nuclear bomb attack, but all you guys 19:27.240 --> 19:27.740 will survive. 19:27.860 --> 19:31.140 Just, what you used to do is, you know, just duck and cover. 19:31.260 --> 19:35.080 And what they did is they did all these little PSA announcements that would tell you to duck 19:35.080 --> 19:37.200 and cover, and they had a nice little cartoon turtle. 19:38.180 --> 19:39.780 It was kind of like, you know, ducky or something. 19:39.860 --> 19:41.640 I don't even know what the hell his name, damn name was. 19:42.000 --> 19:44.900 But he used to hide in the shell whenever he saw the nuclear flash. 19:46.120 --> 19:47.980 Which is a very effective method. 19:48.340 --> 19:48.500 Yeah. 19:48.760 --> 19:56.420 Well, my personal favorite PSA, I don't think I still have this, but I downloaded it someplace. 19:56.420 --> 20:01.800 And they're showing the typical 1950s American family, and they're all having a nice cookout. 20:01.980 --> 20:07.420 And the, you know, dad's at the grill, and, you know, mom and sister and brother are sitting 20:07.420 --> 20:08.360 at the table. 20:08.940 --> 20:13.460 And all of a sudden, the atomic bomb goes off, and you see the big, you know, animated flash. 20:14.180 --> 20:19.780 And mom, brother and sister, they duck underneath the table. 20:19.880 --> 20:21.140 They duck underneath the picnic table. 20:21.240 --> 20:22.860 Like, that's not going to afford its protection. 20:22.960 --> 20:23.200 Okay. 20:23.200 --> 20:28.740 But all of a sudden, you see dad covering himself with the picnic tablecloth. 20:30.080 --> 20:30.480 Really? 20:30.860 --> 20:31.540 Oh, my God. 20:31.640 --> 20:31.800 It was. 20:32.280 --> 20:32.940 Oh, Jesus. 20:33.080 --> 20:33.960 I was just like, oh, my. 20:33.980 --> 20:34.360 It was a red line. 20:35.200 --> 20:35.600 Apparently. 20:35.800 --> 20:36.580 Jesus Christ. 20:37.780 --> 20:40.480 That better be some amazing tablecloth. 20:41.840 --> 20:43.160 It's made out of Gore-Tex. 20:43.820 --> 20:46.300 I don't even think they had Gore-Tex back then. 20:47.100 --> 20:47.760 That's the point. 20:48.800 --> 20:49.560 Oh, man. 20:49.560 --> 20:56.140 And what I always chuckled, if you ever see the South Park episode with the volcano in 20:56.140 --> 20:56.300 it. 20:56.560 --> 20:56.820 Yeah. 20:56.900 --> 20:58.160 And they sell, say, ducking cover. 20:58.880 --> 21:02.440 God, I was on the floor for that one, because I knew exactly what they were spoozing. 21:04.560 --> 21:08.760 Boy, we're just having a very, very meandering episode here. 21:09.600 --> 21:10.380 Right on topic. 21:10.820 --> 21:11.060 Yeah. 21:11.540 --> 21:12.380 We're talking about Atomica. 21:12.580 --> 21:18.560 So, oh, did I mention this on air, that, like, Cypher-X actually did send me something 21:18.560 --> 21:23.860 from the Marine Corps that says, if you were caught in a nuclear blast and you do not have 21:23.860 --> 21:29.040 cover, basically lie on the ground and point your feet toward the blast. 21:30.300 --> 21:30.960 Which, I... 21:30.960 --> 21:31.520 Better than nothing. 21:31.860 --> 21:33.300 No, really, it is. 21:33.300 --> 21:37.000 I think that's the most logically thought out thing at all. 21:37.720 --> 21:42.200 So, you know, just present the lowest profile and, you know, hopefully it won't die. 21:43.380 --> 21:45.580 Oh, and that South Park episode is called Volcano. 21:45.820 --> 21:48.820 It's season one, episode three, just for the trivia fans. 21:49.160 --> 21:51.140 God, season one, episode three. 21:52.520 --> 21:53.880 God, do you have a release date? 21:54.620 --> 21:55.600 What about a release date? 21:55.640 --> 21:56.180 Do you have one of those? 21:56.320 --> 21:57.460 I don't have a release date. 21:57.540 --> 21:58.400 No, I'm not that good. 21:59.000 --> 22:00.920 Yeah, it's going to be, like, 97, 96. 22:01.980 --> 22:04.400 Back when I was in high school, taking chemistry with Mr. Lemus. 22:06.960 --> 22:10.400 I remember one of my friends telling me, I remember one of my friends telling me, you 22:10.400 --> 22:11.540 have to watch this show. 22:11.600 --> 22:13.000 And I was just like, no, it's popular. 22:13.100 --> 22:13.880 I don't want to watch this. 22:14.400 --> 22:18.440 Being the angst-ridden teenager I was, and I was like, oh, my God, this is the best thing 22:18.440 --> 22:18.620 ever. 22:21.160 --> 22:22.700 So, let's go to the next email. 22:25.160 --> 22:28.980 Dear Black Ratchet and Strom Carlson, I love what you've done with the show. 22:29.100 --> 22:31.400 It's nice to see a live BinRev call-in show. 22:31.880 --> 22:34.600 Anyway, I wanted to clarify my idea concerning VoIP. 22:35.160 --> 22:39.240 It seems that the current VoIP landscape is split into many different networks with little 22:39.240 --> 22:39.980 interoperability. 22:40.120 --> 22:43.980 This cause multiple network model is a problem for two, possibly more reasons. 22:44.120 --> 22:47.000 They can cause interoperability issues. 22:47.460 --> 22:50.840 And the dependence on several major networks makes it easier for the government to begin 22:50.840 --> 22:55.740 imposing regulations because they see VoIP providers as no different from the traditional 22:55.740 --> 22:56.740 utility companies. 22:57.380 --> 23:02.240 To reduce these problems, I think there should be a standard method of calling someone via 23:02.240 --> 23:04.180 the internet regardless of what the network they're on. 23:04.580 --> 23:06.180 My advice is to just use DNS. 23:06.940 --> 23:11.620 Just as there's a special record for the mail servers, MX, there should be a special record 23:11.620 --> 23:12.680 for the VoIP servers. 23:12.680 --> 23:13.900 There's VX records. 23:14.560 --> 23:16.080 He has that in parentheses, just so you know. 23:16.640 --> 23:20.680 If you want to call someone, you could just type in their URL, show at example.com, for 23:20.680 --> 23:21.020 example. 23:21.940 --> 23:25.780 And your VoIP server, asterisk, would then query the DNS server in charge of that domain 23:25.780 --> 23:28.680 for the VX record and send your data to the IP address specified. 23:28.680 --> 23:31.820 The VoIP server's in charge of delivering it to the users. 23:32.020 --> 23:37.380 Maybe the user maintains a steady connection to the server, and if a call came in, it would 23:37.380 --> 23:38.740 automatically be forwarded to him. 23:38.820 --> 23:42.620 If he was unavailable, the server would notify the caller and go into voicemail, saving all 23:42.620 --> 23:44.100 the voice packets to form a message. 23:44.640 --> 23:48.060 With the system, you could talk to anyone regardless of whether they use Vontage, FreeWorld 23:48.060 --> 23:49.620 Dial-Up, or their own homebroom system. 23:50.780 --> 23:54.380 I am still somewhat a noob when it comes to VoIP, so I do not know if something like this 23:54.380 --> 23:55.080 is already available. 23:55.300 --> 23:55.520 Later! 23:55.520 --> 23:59.000 I believe he had a name, but I don't think he actually signed it. 23:59.300 --> 24:02.740 So, you have a wonderful system. 24:03.220 --> 24:04.100 It's called Enum. 24:04.440 --> 24:05.060 I'm sorry. 24:05.220 --> 24:06.220 I don't want to burst your bubble. 24:08.520 --> 24:11.840 Strava and I did refer to this in our afters presentation, so we'll shamelessly refer to 24:11.840 --> 24:12.200 that again. 24:14.140 --> 24:14.420 Yeah. 24:14.700 --> 24:18.880 Well, Enum's a cool system, and basically, you design a system exactly how it works, so 24:18.880 --> 24:20.200 pat yourself on the back for that. 24:20.200 --> 24:26.500 Basically, what the system that works where everybody has a list of peers, and you ask 24:26.500 --> 24:30.620 one peer how to connect to Mary, they don't know how, but they ask their friend Bob, Bob 24:30.620 --> 24:33.800 tells them where Mary is, who tells the peer you ask, who tells you. 24:34.000 --> 24:37.340 That whole thing where you can kind of keep a cache for a certain period, something like 24:37.340 --> 24:42.200 ten days, and it gets refreshed, and that way you always know a route to get to a peer, 24:42.300 --> 24:46.040 be it over the public switch telephone network or through a series of voice servers. 24:46.040 --> 24:48.320 Sort of. 24:48.360 --> 24:51.060 What you're describing is Dundee, and Dundee is Enum-based. 24:51.080 --> 24:51.560 Oh, Dundee. 24:52.100 --> 24:52.540 Dundee. 24:52.760 --> 24:53.180 Oh, so close. 24:53.580 --> 24:53.760 Yeah. 24:53.900 --> 25:00.420 Well, Dundee is Enum-based, and there's a lot of stuff with Enum in Dundee, but what Enum 25:00.420 --> 25:06.080 is is basically, it uses DNS exactly as he says, but I believe it's called, I forgot 25:06.080 --> 25:06.720 the record name. 25:06.820 --> 25:08.380 It's like N-A-P-T-R or something. 25:08.500 --> 25:09.440 I don't know what it stands for. 25:09.560 --> 25:10.120 Lord only knows. 25:10.920 --> 25:12.780 I like VX, though, VoIP Exchange. 25:12.880 --> 25:13.460 That's pretty cool. 25:13.460 --> 25:18.640 Maybe we should, like, we should rewrite the RRC and resubmit it. 25:19.300 --> 25:19.500 Yeah. 25:19.780 --> 25:23.360 Just anything that says N-A-P-T-R, we're calling it VX this time. 25:24.420 --> 25:25.040 The X. 25:25.200 --> 25:25.740 The X. 25:25.960 --> 25:29.160 We have to do a find, replace, and then just resubmit the entire thing. 25:29.340 --> 25:29.520 Yeah. 25:29.560 --> 25:30.580 I just kind of run it through SED. 25:31.540 --> 25:33.480 He pressed the X because it's extra, baby. 25:35.480 --> 25:39.800 So, you know, pat yourself on the back for designing the system, but it already exists. 25:39.860 --> 25:40.100 Sorry. 25:40.100 --> 25:45.840 But, like, the problem with it is is that, for example, different people use different 25:45.840 --> 25:50.120 protocols, and what you have to do is you have to all agree on a standard protocol, and 25:50.120 --> 25:53.080 people have tried to do this, and they have it called SIP. 25:53.780 --> 25:59.560 However, SIP suffers from other issues, and so EECS is coming out, and then there's probably 25:59.560 --> 26:03.760 going to be another couple years, there's going to be another major VoIP protocol that 26:03.760 --> 26:04.700 people are going to use. 26:04.700 --> 26:08.200 So, Lord only knows what the future stores. 26:10.480 --> 26:11.360 Definitely true. 26:11.720 --> 26:11.940 Exactly. 26:11.940 --> 26:16.980 Wait, how long has, but SIP has been the dominant language for, I'm sorry, the dominant protocol 26:16.980 --> 26:18.020 for a while now. 26:18.340 --> 26:24.000 I mean, IAX, I guess IAX version 2 is really starting to take a hold, but I think SIP is 26:24.000 --> 26:29.940 really going to come forward, at least in the short term, as the protocol of choice. 26:29.940 --> 26:37.200 Well, SIP is the protocol of choice, because everyone supports it, but it's just, it has 26:37.200 --> 26:39.120 lots, it has problems. 26:40.220 --> 26:46.060 What it is, is that, you know, it doesn't play well with NAT, and... 26:46.060 --> 26:46.760 Definitely not. 26:46.880 --> 26:47.540 It hates NAT. 26:49.880 --> 26:52.260 So, it's just, it's annoying. 26:52.260 --> 27:00.040 And EECS addresses a lot of these issues, but at the same point, it has its own little 27:00.040 --> 27:02.440 compatibility problems, because no one supports it. 27:03.720 --> 27:09.440 So, it's just a matter of everyone sitting down and agreeing on a standard protocol. 27:09.860 --> 27:12.040 And I don't think SIP's been dominant for too long. 27:12.240 --> 27:18.660 SIP's been dominant for a while, yes, but, I mean, go back two or three years, and we're 27:18.660 --> 27:20.320 talking H323, I believe. 27:20.320 --> 27:22.600 I mean, Microsoft NetMeeting. 27:22.820 --> 27:25.540 H323, exactly, the Microsoft NetMeeting protocol. 27:25.700 --> 27:27.300 That's what we've been used for such a long time. 27:27.520 --> 27:32.200 Yeah, well, and it's still a major use by major network carriers in their backbone systems, 27:32.300 --> 27:35.660 apparently, which explains a lot, as I said. 27:38.660 --> 27:40.360 So, well, that wraps up the email. 27:40.980 --> 27:42.620 Zygman, what have you been doing? 27:43.300 --> 27:44.400 Going to show and tell here. 27:44.460 --> 27:44.800 All right. 27:45.660 --> 27:46.820 It's only for getting into it. 27:46.820 --> 27:53.440 I've been putting together a pretty cool presentation that I first kind of showed a rough draft to one of 27:53.440 --> 27:56.920 a pony group's, I'm sorry, Pony Boy's group meetings up in Georgia. 27:57.200 --> 27:58.240 A pony group, yay! 27:59.700 --> 28:00.860 You ride all the ponies? 28:00.920 --> 28:01.840 Hurricane Wilma. 28:02.780 --> 28:04.060 No, I didn't ride any ponies. 28:04.060 --> 28:07.180 I think his fiancée would have been mad if I would have done that. 28:08.020 --> 28:15.680 But anyway, the presentation deals mostly with what happens actually in memory during a buffer overflow. 28:16.180 --> 28:21.300 And I'm putting together a great example of everything by using a two-dimensional array of strings in C, 28:21.440 --> 28:26.980 which is just a fancy way of saying I'm going to have a lot of control over how my arrays are set up. 28:26.980 --> 28:32.580 I'm going to overflow from one buffer into the next one and create strings going on, things like that. 28:33.000 --> 28:36.780 So it's something to look forward to at the next BINREF 5.6.1 meeting that's coming up. 28:37.220 --> 28:43.840 And at the soon approaching BINREF 305, it's also starting up, which is being hosted by LogoSets. 28:44.440 --> 28:46.220 But it should be a really cool presentation. 28:46.220 --> 28:49.740 I'm going to show how I can actually overflow one of the arrays. 28:49.920 --> 28:54.500 And since it's a two-dimensional array, there's another one right below it in contiguous memory. 28:54.500 --> 29:01.100 And I'm going to overflow into the next one and show how the null terminator is what's important as far as the string is concerned 29:01.100 --> 29:02.580 and then other types of arrays. 29:02.780 --> 29:05.200 And just kind of show, like, this is actually what's happening. 29:05.280 --> 29:10.680 You're moving into another named, you know, another place of memory that was allocated for something else. 29:11.100 --> 29:14.740 And, you know, I think it'll give people a good understanding of exactly what's going on 29:14.740 --> 29:20.200 and just something to make them want to learn more because I'm by no means an expert in memory. 29:22.640 --> 29:23.040 Wow. 29:23.040 --> 29:28.280 So, yeah, I'm not a major expert in buffer overflows at all, period. 29:28.460 --> 29:33.500 I shouldn't actually sit down and reread the Shell Coaches Handbook and figure out a lot more like that. 29:35.020 --> 29:36.540 So, sounds exciting. 29:36.680 --> 29:38.540 So, people should show up at the BINREF 561. 29:38.680 --> 29:40.580 Is that happening this week? 29:41.600 --> 29:42.820 Yeah, that is happening this week. 29:42.880 --> 29:43.940 We'll get to it in an announcement. 29:44.000 --> 29:44.900 Yeah, we'll get to an announcement. 29:45.180 --> 29:47.140 I'm sure you'll plug it out just like I plug mine. 29:48.620 --> 29:49.560 What have I been doing? 29:49.560 --> 29:55.080 The Whistle Interjet, what I was talking about, I finally actually got to work. 29:55.180 --> 29:57.440 It turns out it was always working. 29:57.580 --> 30:03.260 I just didn't actually have a – what I assumed was a null modem cable actually turned out to be not a null modem cable, 30:03.460 --> 30:05.100 which made me very, very angry. 30:05.100 --> 30:12.360 But I have one now, and it boots, but it doesn't actually let me log in because it just sits there. 30:12.720 --> 30:19.960 I think the distribution I use, which is an IP cup, just flails miserably on it because it's – 30:19.960 --> 30:23.700 I think it's only running under 8 megs of RAM, I believe. 30:23.920 --> 30:24.600 I could be wrong. 30:24.600 --> 30:32.240 Yeah, I need to find – if anyone has them, like, you know, 72 nanosecond SIMs, BlackRatchet, BlackRatchet.org. 30:33.260 --> 30:35.000 I think I have two slots. 30:35.080 --> 30:37.060 I think I need 16 megs SIMs, I believe. 30:37.640 --> 30:38.500 I could be wrong. 30:38.560 --> 30:39.820 I could find them at the junkyard, dude. 30:40.380 --> 30:41.000 Yeah, yeah. 30:41.520 --> 30:42.460 I'm going to go into the landfill. 30:42.580 --> 30:43.820 Give me a rubber glove. 30:44.240 --> 30:45.720 I'm going to go find some SIMs. 30:46.180 --> 30:47.760 Whenever there's some alcohol, I'll be fine. 30:47.760 --> 30:52.220 And, yes, I actually sell one. 30:52.360 --> 30:55.160 My other big thing, as I've been kind of obsessed with lately, 30:55.420 --> 30:59.340 someone was selling something called an iTech switch. 30:59.520 --> 31:03.440 And what an iTech switch is, it's a telephone switch. 31:03.440 --> 31:06.340 It's designed for, you know, a small rural office. 31:06.340 --> 31:13.500 And what it was is it's not electrical mechanical, but it's solid state step. 31:13.780 --> 31:16.720 So it works exactly like a step-by-step switch, which I won't go into. 31:16.720 --> 31:19.380 But it's all computer-driven, which is really cool. 31:19.960 --> 31:21.880 Does it use an in-band or out-of-band signaling? 31:22.360 --> 31:24.460 Oh, I think you could probably use it and set up both. 31:24.540 --> 31:30.960 It's designed to be sort of a bridge between electrical mechanical and fully electronic systems. 31:31.360 --> 31:32.140 That's pretty cool. 31:32.500 --> 31:32.700 Yeah. 31:33.320 --> 31:36.380 Well, I'm sure if I got, like, a toll selector or something, a toll switch, 31:36.440 --> 31:39.160 I could set up to use in-band signaling. 31:39.280 --> 31:42.860 But the problem with in-band signaling is that with a step, it's all dial-pulcing. 31:43.580 --> 31:45.140 So you wouldn't hear, like, you know, 31:45.140 --> 31:49.620 Oh, that's not cool. 31:49.960 --> 31:52.480 Well, actually, no, no, it's cool in its own way. 31:53.480 --> 31:55.680 Now I'm telling you, you can use the blue box all day long, 31:55.760 --> 31:58.480 and it'd be totally legal because you'd be talking to your own switch. 31:59.360 --> 32:00.800 And just hit your ass to the PSPN. 32:02.640 --> 32:03.960 Dude, I'm going to blue box. 32:04.100 --> 32:04.300 Yeah. 32:04.540 --> 32:08.180 No, we can just go up to Alaska. 32:08.480 --> 32:09.780 I guess I can say it's in Alaska. 32:10.000 --> 32:11.720 Go up to Alaska, and you can blue box up there. 32:11.720 --> 32:15.260 It's just the principle of the thing. 32:15.460 --> 32:17.980 You know, it's always fun to do all things from the past. 32:18.400 --> 32:23.420 Well, if you go to the, I believe it's called Seattle Computer Museum. 32:23.540 --> 32:24.460 No, Seattle Community. 32:24.640 --> 32:24.880 Seattle. 32:26.020 --> 32:26.780 Let's try that again. 32:27.060 --> 32:29.000 Seattle Communications Museum. 32:29.000 --> 32:35.180 They have a, like, they have, like, all the switches hooked up, 32:35.220 --> 32:37.320 and they have, like, a panel, and they have a crossbar five, 32:37.860 --> 32:39.160 and a step, I believe. 32:39.300 --> 32:40.080 I could be wrong. 32:40.120 --> 32:41.140 They have, like, two or three switches, 32:41.260 --> 32:44.920 but they're all actually inter-hooked up with 2,600 controlled links. 32:45.420 --> 32:47.540 And Strom does have a recording of it. 32:47.980 --> 32:50.380 He doesn't actually have it for public consumption yet, 32:50.740 --> 32:53.800 but I've listened to it, and it's all on his mini-disc recorder, 32:53.800 --> 32:57.080 and you hear him, like, you know, put the, like, you know, tap the hook, 32:57.140 --> 32:58.560 and you hear, ka-cheep, ka-cheep, ka-cheep, 32:59.120 --> 33:01.440 and it's just like, oh, I want to go there. 33:01.980 --> 33:02.460 Oh, yeah. 33:02.480 --> 33:03.080 That'd be awesome. 33:03.220 --> 33:04.800 Do you think they'd let you bring in a blue box? 33:04.860 --> 33:05.600 They probably wouldn't care. 33:05.700 --> 33:06.060 They'd be like, oh, yeah. 33:06.060 --> 33:06.780 Oh, yeah, they don't care. 33:06.900 --> 33:07.280 It's not, I don't have to. 33:07.880 --> 33:10.600 Well, it probably depends on who you, 33:10.800 --> 33:13.080 because it's actually run by old telephone guys, 33:13.180 --> 33:15.760 so if you get, like, Dom Tuffy up there, 33:16.580 --> 33:19.080 be like, ah, coffee skating that blue box. 33:19.140 --> 33:20.540 That's the toll fraud equipment there. 33:20.960 --> 33:22.760 Oh, no, let's not go down that road. 33:22.760 --> 33:23.600 But, yeah. 33:25.080 --> 33:28.140 So, I mean, they were relatively cool with Strom 33:28.140 --> 33:29.320 when he showed up there, and he just said, 33:29.380 --> 33:31.920 yeah, can I bring my own phone so I can just record all of this? 33:32.380 --> 33:34.540 They were like, sure, yeah, no problem, whatever. 33:35.560 --> 33:37.980 So, they seem relatively cool up there. 33:40.760 --> 33:44.140 So, if you see, yeah, I'd love to go there. 33:44.140 --> 33:46.260 The problem is it's on the complete opposite side of the country, 33:46.400 --> 33:48.120 and there's nothing else I would ever want to do in Seattle. 33:49.880 --> 33:50.980 Go to Redmond. 33:51.060 --> 33:52.520 Go pee on the Microsoft sign. 33:52.760 --> 33:58.340 You know you said that on the radio, right? 33:58.880 --> 33:59.120 Hmm? 33:59.620 --> 34:01.220 You know you said that on the radio, right? 34:01.460 --> 34:02.040 Of course I did. 34:02.520 --> 34:02.920 Okay. 34:03.080 --> 34:05.440 I'm proud that I want to pee on the Microsoft sign. 34:05.440 --> 34:10.160 So, the main topic tonight. 34:10.720 --> 34:12.200 What is the main topic tonight, Sigmund? 34:12.940 --> 34:18.540 I think the main topic tonight is going to be just a listing of a couple of programs that we really like. 34:18.960 --> 34:21.880 You know, if we need more, there will be a sequel. 34:22.400 --> 34:26.720 If there isn't a program, I'm sorry, if we don't mention a program that you think is kick-ass, you know, 34:26.980 --> 34:27.620 send us an email. 34:27.620 --> 34:33.340 But it's really just supposed to give you an idea of maybe there's a program out there that it does something that you never thought that you would need, 34:33.620 --> 34:35.860 but you can't live without it now that you know about it. 34:35.920 --> 34:37.880 And that's kind of what we're going to try to get into today. 34:38.600 --> 34:38.780 Yeah. 34:38.780 --> 34:44.460 So, we're just trying to, like, you know, broaden your horizons and maybe, you know, toss a program out there that you've never heard of. 34:45.820 --> 34:50.580 So, my first program, I think, have you ever actually added anything to this list? 34:50.660 --> 34:51.740 I don't even think you saw anything. 34:52.640 --> 34:53.000 I did. 34:53.060 --> 34:55.960 I added one thing at the end, if we're going by the show notes. 34:56.300 --> 34:57.100 Oh, okay. 34:57.180 --> 34:58.120 Well, I guess I'm free of you. 34:58.560 --> 34:59.800 See, you've got, like, eight things there. 34:59.900 --> 35:01.000 I was expecting you to have, like, all kinds of... 35:01.000 --> 35:01.980 I can talk about some of yours. 35:02.260 --> 35:07.780 Well, I was expecting you to, like, have all kinds of, like, you know, super elite video editing utilities, and there's, like, nothing here. 35:07.780 --> 35:09.380 We had a whole show on those. 35:09.800 --> 35:13.480 Yeah, but you can, like, you know, still hash them because we're running, you know, just through the hell with it. 35:13.480 --> 35:14.100 I'll mention a few. 35:14.340 --> 35:14.660 Whatever. 35:16.160 --> 35:20.600 So, my first one, I actually just started replaying with this program. 35:20.720 --> 35:27.700 It's called Confabulator, and it's K-O-N-F-A-B-U-L-A-T-O-R.com. 35:29.580 --> 35:30.520 Confabulator is cool. 35:30.720 --> 35:31.780 It's basically... 35:32.480 --> 35:37.760 It was originally designed for Mac OS X, and what it is is just a bunch of little widgets. 35:37.780 --> 35:41.700 You can do, and it's, like, you know, there's some cute stuff, but there's actually, like, 35:42.620 --> 35:48.520 like, graphical utilities to, like, monitor things, and, like, right now, I have on my desktop, 35:48.720 --> 35:53.920 and actually, it's originally for Mac OS X, but they ported it over to Windows, and I don't know when they did. 35:53.960 --> 35:54.900 I think it's owned by Yahoo. 35:56.280 --> 35:57.420 For example, I have... 35:57.420 --> 36:01.900 Up on my desktop right now, I have the current weather, and it's all very nicely done, 36:01.900 --> 36:03.580 and it blends in beautifully. 36:03.820 --> 36:06.280 They're very well artistically rendered. 36:06.700 --> 36:10.900 I have a nice little animated analog clock and, like, my processor speed, 36:10.980 --> 36:16.940 and then I have this little utility that does the current Internet Storm Center threat level, 36:17.220 --> 36:18.880 whether it be green, yellow, or red. 36:18.880 --> 36:22.940 And I have a little utility that pings, like, four or five of my boxes, 36:23.140 --> 36:25.020 and then, you know, I have little, like... 36:25.020 --> 36:28.620 It shows little lights of whether or not they're green, yellow, or red, depending on the ping times. 36:29.940 --> 36:30.380 And it's... 36:30.380 --> 36:30.900 That's a good feature. 36:31.300 --> 36:33.740 Yeah, and there's, like, and there's tons of stuff for it. 36:33.740 --> 36:36.880 On my laptop, there's, like, this wonderful, this, like... 36:38.040 --> 36:40.560 And all these are, like, you know, you can put them, like, semi-transparent, 36:40.720 --> 36:43.000 so it doesn't eat up all your desktop space. 36:43.000 --> 36:50.440 But on my laptop, I have something for my Wi-Fi signal and for my battery level, 36:50.680 --> 36:51.820 and they have a couple other things. 36:52.140 --> 36:56.200 And there's, like, literally hundreds upon hundreds of widgets you can download. 36:56.500 --> 36:58.280 And they're all modular, and they're all free. 36:58.420 --> 36:59.660 It's a completely free program. 37:00.020 --> 37:01.440 I believe it's sponsored by Yahoo. 37:02.520 --> 37:04.260 But it's very... 37:04.260 --> 37:06.640 They don't, like, you know, shove it down your throat about it. 37:07.220 --> 37:10.640 Now, there's no spyware or bundled adware or anything like that, right? 37:10.640 --> 37:12.960 No, as far as I can tell, there's nothing like that. 37:13.000 --> 37:14.120 Which really amazes me. 37:15.740 --> 37:18.620 I believe, you know, Confabulator, when they first did it, 37:18.640 --> 37:20.020 it was just basically this guy's hobby. 37:21.320 --> 37:24.300 And what happened is... 37:24.300 --> 37:26.260 Actually, there's a comparison we can make to it. 37:26.420 --> 37:29.160 If you ever use Mac OS 10.4 and use Dashboard, 37:29.540 --> 37:31.880 this was Dashboard before Dashboard existed. 37:33.180 --> 37:36.140 And actually, when Apple came out with Dashboard, 37:36.260 --> 37:37.120 this guy basically said, 37:37.480 --> 37:39.380 Fuck you guys, we're going over to Windows. 37:39.380 --> 37:44.520 And of course, actually, I believe that Vista has something similar to this now, 37:44.620 --> 37:46.880 so maybe he'll port it over to Linux. 37:46.940 --> 37:47.320 Who knows? 37:49.920 --> 37:51.800 But I forget where I was going with this. 37:51.860 --> 37:53.100 It's, like, you know, completely free. 37:53.820 --> 37:55.000 The guy said it's a hobby, 37:55.160 --> 37:57.520 and then he started to do it for shareware for a while, 37:57.600 --> 37:59.160 and then Yahoo bought it, and now it's free. 37:59.160 --> 38:03.340 And I believe, like, there's, like, there's more than a few, 38:03.480 --> 38:05.720 like, when you start it up with the default widget set, 38:06.000 --> 38:07.460 there's, like, a Yahoo search bar, 38:07.800 --> 38:10.060 and I believe the weather cuts it from yahoo.com. 38:10.160 --> 38:11.340 But as far as I could tell, 38:11.440 --> 38:12.920 when you turn everything off, 38:13.240 --> 38:16.260 you can't see anything that's, you know, done by Yahoo. 38:17.380 --> 38:17.940 That's cool. 38:18.380 --> 38:19.820 Yeah, it's a really fun thing, 38:19.940 --> 38:22.360 and my one complaint about it was, 38:22.480 --> 38:23.740 when I was running it on my Mac, 38:23.800 --> 38:25.780 it was just, it gobbled CPU time, 38:25.780 --> 38:30.580 but it's, you know, nothing on my new XP over here. 38:31.580 --> 38:32.440 It's very yummy. 38:33.340 --> 38:36.000 Because usually programs are much better designed, 38:36.120 --> 38:37.260 I don't want to say it like that, 38:37.340 --> 38:41.480 but have less CPU footprints in Mac than they do in Windows, 38:41.600 --> 38:43.100 so that's an interesting little changeover. 38:43.320 --> 38:46.320 I'm also running hideously on a hideously underpowered Mac, 38:47.980 --> 38:49.260 so that probably goes against me. 38:50.820 --> 38:52.460 To leave that detail out, huh? 38:53.060 --> 38:53.360 Yeah. 38:53.360 --> 38:55.440 Anyway. 38:57.600 --> 38:58.780 My next favorite program, 38:58.880 --> 38:59.920 we'll go toss this right out here, 38:59.980 --> 39:00.880 since we just get down here. 39:01.100 --> 39:01.460 Asterisk! 39:03.480 --> 39:06.120 I mean, what have you been doing with Asterisk? 39:07.700 --> 39:09.200 What have you been doing with Asterisk, 39:09.280 --> 39:10.560 or can you mention that on air? 39:11.980 --> 39:12.800 You know what, yeah. 39:12.900 --> 39:13.860 I guess I might as well. 39:14.680 --> 39:17.360 Well, I'm really starting to do a lot of Asterisk programming, 39:18.440 --> 39:20.260 especially with the dial plans. 39:20.260 --> 39:23.880 For anybody who's a little intimidated by the whole Asterisk aspect, 39:24.380 --> 39:25.780 the dial plans are very intuitive. 39:26.280 --> 39:27.540 They're very easy to program. 39:27.980 --> 39:30.520 I mean, when you get fancy, of course, you're going to have trouble. 39:30.920 --> 39:34.300 But, you know, it's all, if you're going to press 1, it's extension 1. 39:34.420 --> 39:35.880 If you're going to press 2, it's extension 2. 39:35.960 --> 39:37.720 Everything makes nice, linear sense. 39:37.720 --> 39:43.240 And what I've been making with it is going to take advantage of the school that it does. 39:43.360 --> 39:45.640 You can actually write call files in Asterisk. 39:46.420 --> 39:48.160 And it'll initiate its own calls. 39:48.500 --> 39:51.440 And this is pulling numbers from a database, initiating the call, 39:51.820 --> 39:54.920 going ahead and making some stuff happen with the dial plan, 39:54.960 --> 39:56.720 without getting into too much specifics. 39:57.300 --> 39:59.720 Then it puts all that information back out through AGI, 39:59.720 --> 40:04.940 which is their programming interface that touches any other programming language, 40:05.200 --> 40:10.400 mostly Perl for this purpose, and updates what happens back into the database. 40:11.240 --> 40:13.440 But, I mean, just the absolute power of Asterisk. 40:13.520 --> 40:17.100 Forget about it as, you know, the open source PBX. 40:17.300 --> 40:19.760 Hey, it works as a great open source PBX. 40:20.040 --> 40:21.380 But that's just the beginning of it. 40:21.460 --> 40:24.500 You can really, the only limit to it is how much you want to code it. 40:24.880 --> 40:26.580 And that's what's such a beautiful thing about it. 40:26.700 --> 40:27.680 It's nice and intuitive. 40:28.200 --> 40:29.800 It's an easy programming language. 40:30.120 --> 40:33.560 It's got a little bit of regex, its own kind of version of it. 40:34.060 --> 40:35.800 But it's not too tough. 40:35.940 --> 40:38.420 And I really think that you should just get out there and do it. 40:38.780 --> 40:42.000 And as long as we're mentioning that, I'll plug this book that I got for it. 40:42.000 --> 40:45.480 It's called Asterisk, The Future of Telephony. 40:46.480 --> 40:46.840 Telephony. 40:47.560 --> 40:48.080 There you go. 40:48.520 --> 40:49.700 And it's an O'Reilly book. 40:49.700 --> 40:54.760 And anybody who just wants to get started in Asterisk and doesn't want to listen to three hours' worth of shows about it, 40:55.240 --> 40:56.740 that's an excellent book to check out. 40:57.260 --> 41:02.500 But listen to those three hours of shows anyway, because those three hours are very well done, damn it. 41:06.540 --> 41:10.380 Trying to sneak a little, like, a little zing in there, there, zing in? 41:11.540 --> 41:12.900 Well, I'm not saying that. 41:12.900 --> 41:19.060 I mean, of course the shows are excellent, but, you know, this will give you also a good foundation to, 41:19.340 --> 41:22.120 you know what, why don't you listen to the shows at the same time you're reading the book? 41:22.220 --> 41:25.060 I can't do that. 41:25.080 --> 41:25.800 It would drive me nuts. 41:26.600 --> 41:29.820 I can't do two things at once, basically. 41:31.740 --> 41:34.480 Just out of curiosity, what's the animal in the O'Reilly book? 41:35.880 --> 41:37.020 I'm sorry, the... 41:37.020 --> 41:37.540 The animal. 41:38.860 --> 41:40.140 Oh, it's a starfish. 41:40.380 --> 41:41.240 Oh, it is a starfish? 41:41.240 --> 41:48.880 Okay, I knew that they wanted the starfish, those asterisks, star, starfish, ha-ha. 41:49.420 --> 41:53.100 Hey, I never noticed that before, that all the O'Reilly books have an animal on them. 41:53.660 --> 41:54.060 Wow. 41:54.900 --> 41:56.620 That's the first time I've ever noticed that. 41:56.880 --> 41:59.140 Holy moly, you have never noticed that? 41:59.740 --> 42:00.760 No, I never noticed it. 42:00.780 --> 42:01.900 I just read what was in them. 42:03.280 --> 42:05.280 But why do you think they call it a safari? 42:05.560 --> 42:09.040 The library is a safari, because they all have animals on it. 42:09.380 --> 42:10.400 Actually, the... 42:10.400 --> 42:11.020 That makes sense. 42:11.240 --> 42:15.740 The third edition of Practical Unix and Internet Security has a safe on it, rather than an animal. 42:16.120 --> 42:17.920 But I believe they used to have a lemur on it. 42:19.120 --> 42:19.680 But, um... 42:19.680 --> 42:20.620 That's an interesting animal. 42:21.340 --> 42:23.260 Yeah, um, um... 42:23.260 --> 42:26.120 Pearl has all camels on it, and dromedaries. 42:27.080 --> 42:29.300 Um, Practical Sea has a cow. 42:30.880 --> 42:31.200 Uh... 42:31.200 --> 42:31.560 Moo. 42:31.560 --> 42:32.000 Yeah. 42:33.000 --> 42:33.200 Yeah. 42:33.820 --> 42:34.780 I just, like, all... 42:34.780 --> 42:36.560 They all have animals on it. 42:37.240 --> 42:38.540 You silly, silly man, you. 42:38.560 --> 42:38.860 No way. 42:39.100 --> 42:42.860 So now there's at least one other person in the world who also knows that those are all animals. 42:43.700 --> 42:44.060 Wow. 42:44.280 --> 42:44.500 I don't... 42:44.500 --> 42:44.900 Shoot. 42:44.900 --> 42:50.000 Yeah, so, asterisk is cool, and we just had to sort of toss that in there again. 42:51.280 --> 42:52.780 Um, the... 42:52.780 --> 42:53.280 The... 42:53.280 --> 42:53.740 Speak... 42:53.740 --> 42:54.120 Speak... 42:54.120 --> 42:57.780 Yeah, speaking of one person who hasn't heard anything in the world, you know, have you heard... 42:57.780 --> 42:59.660 I assume you've heard of Firefox, right, Zygman? 42:59.840 --> 43:02.800 Yes, I do use Firefox, ye of little space. 43:03.360 --> 43:03.640 Yeah. 43:03.900 --> 43:04.540 Well, you never know. 43:04.640 --> 43:07.220 I mean, you're the one who didn't notice about, you know, the whole... 43:07.220 --> 43:07.480 Animals. 43:07.620 --> 43:08.380 ...animal thing. 43:08.420 --> 43:12.180 You might have noticed, oh, wow, there's another web browser on there besides Internet Explorer? 43:12.600 --> 43:15.400 Well, I'm not really into the whole piece of reality, so, you know. 43:15.740 --> 43:16.100 Uh. 43:18.200 --> 43:18.560 Oh. 43:18.780 --> 43:19.600 But anyway, Firefox. 43:19.840 --> 43:21.520 Yeah, I'm just not even touching that one. 43:24.680 --> 43:29.420 So, well, you know, for those of you, like, you know, the one person who's been living in the cave for the past five years, 43:29.860 --> 43:32.160 Firefox, Firefox.org... 43:32.160 --> 43:34.600 Oh, yeah, by the way, Asterisk is available at Asterisk.org. 43:35.200 --> 43:36.440 A-S-T-E-R-I-S-K. 43:37.960 --> 43:39.240 GetFirefox.com, actually. 43:39.720 --> 43:41.040 That's where you get Firefox. 43:41.280 --> 43:41.540 Yes. 43:43.380 --> 43:49.160 Yeah, Firefox, open source, good web browser, standards compliant, actually under active development. 43:50.540 --> 43:53.800 What, you know, IE7 will be in a couple of years. 43:55.400 --> 43:56.540 Only more secure. 43:56.940 --> 43:57.680 Only more secure. 43:57.680 --> 44:00.260 Actually, well, no, I'm kind of cool about IE7. 44:00.380 --> 44:04.280 I think they run, I think Firefox is going to borrow a couple of concepts from Microsoft. 44:05.300 --> 44:06.940 Like, they have some... 44:06.940 --> 44:07.120 Hmm? 44:07.560 --> 44:11.720 Do you know what it is that really makes Firefox so incredibly powerful and such a great browser? 44:12.140 --> 44:12.420 Why? 44:12.600 --> 44:16.780 It has to be the millions and millions of extensions that exist for it. 44:17.700 --> 44:21.040 Well, that's a double-edged sword because if one of those extensions are coded badly. 44:21.780 --> 44:22.560 That is true. 44:22.800 --> 44:23.020 Yeah. 44:23.020 --> 44:25.340 I didn't think of it that way, but you are correct. 44:25.560 --> 44:28.940 But, I mean, really, anything you want to do with it, there's an extension for it. 44:29.980 --> 44:30.380 Exactly. 44:30.560 --> 44:36.440 I mean, you were buying large adult pleasuring objects with Grease Monkey. 44:36.600 --> 44:37.180 Or Grease Monkey? 44:37.440 --> 44:37.800 Or header? 44:37.920 --> 44:38.200 Headers. 44:38.840 --> 44:39.240 Yeah. 44:39.580 --> 44:40.500 HTTP headers. 44:40.820 --> 44:41.380 Yeah, that's it. 44:41.620 --> 44:41.840 Five headers. 44:42.600 --> 44:43.940 And I wasn't buying them. 44:44.140 --> 44:45.980 I was just testing the cart system. 44:46.340 --> 44:47.100 Oh, yes. 44:47.800 --> 44:50.420 Yeah, you're not into PCDality, but you're into other things, are you? 44:50.920 --> 44:51.320 Hold on. 44:51.320 --> 44:52.120 Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. 44:52.140 --> 44:52.860 There's a thing at the door. 44:52.980 --> 44:53.320 Hold on. 44:53.360 --> 44:54.660 Let me get a sign for this package. 44:55.480 --> 44:57.220 This is this large vibrating package. 44:59.060 --> 45:00.420 Hey, how did I get turned on? 45:03.080 --> 45:06.640 So, yes, Firefox, and we're going to just sort of segue into the next one. 45:06.900 --> 45:07.260 Thunderbird. 45:08.060 --> 45:10.020 I don't even know what the URL for this one is. 45:10.120 --> 45:10.420 Hold on. 45:10.420 --> 45:12.120 Do you use Thunderbird? 45:12.820 --> 45:13.420 You know what? 45:13.420 --> 45:14.700 I'm not really familiar with Thunderbird. 45:15.080 --> 45:15.800 Oh, Thunderbird's great. 45:15.880 --> 45:20.900 Well, Thunderbird is basically the, basically, think of Firefox or email. 45:21.800 --> 45:22.940 And I love it. 45:23.080 --> 45:24.280 I use it everywhere. 45:25.280 --> 45:32.400 That would be mozilla.org, M-O-Z-I-L-L-A, slash products, slash Thunderbird. 45:32.400 --> 45:34.760 And if you can't spell Thunderbird, you know, too bad. 45:36.480 --> 45:40.400 It's just, it's a very nice, basically, if you ever use Netscape, 45:40.900 --> 45:42.540 what do they call it, Netscape Communicator? 45:42.740 --> 45:43.520 No, no. 45:43.820 --> 45:46.500 Netscape, the Netscape Mail Client, whatever the hell that was called. 45:46.660 --> 45:47.800 Maybe it's just called Netscape Mail. 45:48.020 --> 45:48.100 I think it is Communicator. 45:48.720 --> 45:52.060 No, Communicator was the whole suite after they scrapped the navigator. 45:52.180 --> 45:52.300 Oh, yes, you're right. 45:52.640 --> 45:53.200 You're right. 45:54.200 --> 46:00.640 But literally, the first time I ever fired up Thunderbird, I swear I was staring at, 46:01.160 --> 46:05.920 if you could have convinced me, it was like the old school Netscape Mail Client from 1996. 46:07.560 --> 46:09.100 And that's cross-platform, right? 46:09.760 --> 46:10.040 Mm-hmm. 46:10.460 --> 46:12.480 Well, yeah, there's all kinds of crazy stuff with it. 46:12.500 --> 46:13.240 You can get it on Linux. 46:13.320 --> 46:14.020 You can get it on Windows. 46:14.440 --> 46:19.820 Plus, one of the cool things that they're doing is there's a project out there where all of Thunderbird 46:19.820 --> 46:23.620 just fits on a USB memory key, and all your mail can just travel with you. 46:24.640 --> 46:25.100 That's a cool thing. 46:25.100 --> 46:28.020 Which is just, yeah, it's a really good idea. 46:28.220 --> 46:32.260 And Thunderbird will do that, and try doing that without Look Express, and you're screwed. 46:32.260 --> 46:37.320 You know, as long as we're talking about e-mail clients, probably my favorite e-mail client, 46:37.580 --> 46:39.020 it really has to be Pine. 46:39.740 --> 46:45.760 Pine is, you know, it can be a little difficult to configure, and I'll admit that. 46:46.220 --> 46:51.260 But, you know, when you get down to it, and you just want that nitty-gritty text-based screen, 46:51.600 --> 46:55.100 you know, it uses a lot of the Pico commands and things like that. 46:55.460 --> 46:57.200 Well, Pico is a derivative of Pine. 46:57.920 --> 46:58.320 Absolutely. 46:59.080 --> 47:03.020 And, I mean, I've always been a big fan of that as my mail client. 47:03.220 --> 47:06.600 A lot of people will choose other ones, and they'll think that's a little not, 47:06.740 --> 47:09.460 I don't want to say it's not pretty enough, but that's what they're getting at. 47:09.460 --> 47:14.840 But if you're looking to run just mail on a machine that just maybe can't handle all the fancy X 47:14.840 --> 47:19.320 and all the graphics, the send-mail-Pine combo is always a good way to go. 47:20.500 --> 47:22.320 Well, I use Pine. 47:22.500 --> 47:25.680 I'm a devout Pine believer, but here's my problems with it. 47:25.680 --> 47:30.440 It doesn't support mail tours, which is a way of storing mail on a unique system, 47:30.500 --> 47:31.280 for those of you who don't know. 47:32.640 --> 47:35.140 And their IMAP support is actually hoarded. 47:35.660 --> 47:40.000 Because, well, what happened is I used to have a Slackware box, 47:40.080 --> 47:43.040 and Slackware and Pine play together like there is no tomorrow. 47:43.280 --> 47:44.660 It's just a beautiful integration. 47:45.960 --> 47:47.320 All these are names are the same. 47:48.120 --> 47:48.380 Yeah. 47:49.040 --> 47:49.820 Well, not even that. 47:49.900 --> 47:51.900 I mean, if you run it locally within the system, it works great. 47:51.900 --> 47:56.020 I mean, basically, Slackware is designed for Pine. 47:57.480 --> 48:00.460 So I ran Slackware for a long time as my mail server, 48:00.580 --> 48:04.000 and all of a sudden my mail server had, like, a sudden massive reality failure. 48:04.860 --> 48:07.500 Like, Apache just, like, you know, ate itself, 48:07.860 --> 48:10.840 and then apparently some of the libraries got corrupted. 48:10.980 --> 48:12.860 Like, horrible things were happening to this box. 48:12.860 --> 48:18.360 And I said, okay, I need to move to a new box. 48:18.420 --> 48:21.220 So I said, okay, I want this whole Debian kit. 48:21.340 --> 48:22.060 Debian's pretty good. 48:22.100 --> 48:22.680 I like Debian. 48:23.020 --> 48:24.760 I'll go install Debian as my server. 48:24.880 --> 48:26.880 So I installed Debian as my server, and I configured it all. 48:27.000 --> 48:30.860 And one of the major interesting things I had to do was, you know, 48:30.900 --> 48:35.180 convert all of my virtual domains from PostFix to Exum, 48:35.440 --> 48:37.780 which are two different mail-transferred agents. 48:37.780 --> 48:42.500 And so I, you know, configured it all. 48:42.840 --> 48:45.280 It's, you know, second-down mail, and I move all my stuff over. 48:45.780 --> 48:49.580 While in Thunderbird, I copy all my messages over, and everything's all set. 48:50.240 --> 48:52.220 And I'm going, all right, I'm all set. 48:52.280 --> 48:56.220 And I went to bed that night, and I got up the next morning, and I went to work. 48:56.280 --> 48:57.940 And what I usually do at work is I just, you know, 48:58.000 --> 49:00.060 SSH into my box, and I fire up my Pine session. 49:01.320 --> 49:04.840 And I type in Pine, you know, command not found. 49:04.840 --> 49:06.220 I'm like, oh, damn it. 49:07.780 --> 49:11.920 And getting Pine to work on Debian is a bit interesting because, as far as, 49:11.980 --> 49:14.060 a lot of people don't know, Pine is an open source. 49:15.180 --> 49:19.560 Pine is actually, it's open in the fact that you can look at the source code, 49:19.600 --> 49:20.820 but you really can't do much with it. 49:22.320 --> 49:26.640 And so, like, I kicked and screamed, you know, 49:26.740 --> 49:30.000 beat my Debian box in submission so I could get Pine installed on it. 49:30.000 --> 49:40.000 And I eventually had to work out, and I had to kludge out the solution to get Pine working with IMAP and mail orders. 49:40.200 --> 49:44.620 And it was, it's, it's, I really miss it working with just Mbox format. 49:44.780 --> 49:47.320 Mbox is the other way you can store mail on Unix. 49:47.320 --> 49:51.320 But you're recommending Thunderbird for all your mail purposes. 49:52.520 --> 49:53.680 I like Thunderbird. 49:53.800 --> 49:54.820 It just works great. 49:55.040 --> 49:56.660 And I love Pine. 49:56.760 --> 50:00.420 They just really, really need to improve their IMAP support. 50:01.060 --> 50:03.180 Basically, I've kludged out a couple of things. 50:03.380 --> 50:05.480 It can save stuff to my sent directory. 50:05.600 --> 50:06.680 It can read my inbox. 50:06.680 --> 50:12.260 But as for every other, because I have, like, you know, four or five different folders of where I classify and archive stuff, 50:12.820 --> 50:14.900 none of them work in Pine. 50:15.040 --> 50:16.260 It just makes me angry. 50:16.480 --> 50:18.160 And I just want to go, Ratchet smash! 50:20.040 --> 50:22.260 You know, toss my Pine client across the room. 50:23.920 --> 50:25.500 But Pine is a very solid client. 50:25.600 --> 50:28.380 I've been using it since 1995. 50:28.740 --> 50:30.920 And that's very, very scary that I just figured that out. 50:31.160 --> 50:32.660 Not even 1995, 1994. 50:33.620 --> 50:33.940 Wow. 50:33.940 --> 50:36.800 Yeah, like, well, it was, like, really, really late 1994. 50:37.040 --> 50:41.280 I'm actually approaching my 11th anniversary on the interweb. 50:42.240 --> 50:43.140 Ta interweb. 50:43.360 --> 50:43.700 Yes. 50:45.240 --> 50:47.160 No, no, ta interweb. 50:47.280 --> 50:47.960 T-A-R. 50:48.020 --> 50:48.140 Wow. 50:48.500 --> 50:50.800 Actually, it was before the web, so it couldn't be just the internet. 50:53.300 --> 50:54.000 Damn straight. 50:54.000 --> 51:00.560 I always just say, I always distinctly remember playing around on the world's wide web when I heard about it the first time and saying, 51:00.940 --> 51:01.940 this stuff sucks. 51:02.900 --> 51:03.300 Absolutely. 51:04.260 --> 51:06.960 There were no real search engines and all that jazz. 51:07.020 --> 51:07.740 Yeah, it was pretty weak. 51:08.080 --> 51:10.600 Well, also, it was just, like, you know, text-based browser. 51:11.020 --> 51:14.240 And it wasn't even links, L-Y-N-X, which is another cool program. 51:14.540 --> 51:16.100 We'll actually, we'll talk about those two next. 51:16.720 --> 51:23.080 It was W3M, which was, like, I think it was, like, the world's first text web browser. 51:23.080 --> 51:25.020 And, oh, boy, did it suck. 51:26.340 --> 51:29.540 Like, what it used to do is you used to, like, it used to render the web page. 51:29.580 --> 51:33.200 And I believe, if I remember correctly, after every link, you would get a little number. 51:33.760 --> 51:36.920 And it would prompt you for what number you want to enter, and you would follow that link. 51:38.060 --> 51:38.380 Really? 51:38.380 --> 51:42.420 I want to go to link number three, enter, and it would take you to link number three, and you would follow it. 51:43.340 --> 51:44.340 That's actually kind of cool. 51:45.040 --> 51:46.360 Oh, God, it was painful. 51:46.800 --> 51:49.100 It was just, I wanted to gouge my eyes out afterwards. 51:50.420 --> 51:52.120 So you got back on the IRC. 51:53.640 --> 51:54.820 Yeah, I got back on the IRC. 51:54.940 --> 51:55.680 I remember IRC. 51:55.800 --> 51:57.000 I remember IRC when it was cool. 51:57.600 --> 52:00.160 People used it, and there was no porn bots. 52:00.520 --> 52:02.660 Well, there were porn bots, but they didn't attack you as much. 52:04.500 --> 52:08.720 Hey, since we're talking about text web browsers, if you're ever stuck in a text client, 52:09.660 --> 52:11.180 there's two major ones out there. 52:11.320 --> 52:13.940 For the old school ones, there's L-Y-N-X, which is links. 52:14.340 --> 52:16.360 That's how you pronounce it, like in a cat. 52:17.020 --> 52:20.640 And then there's links, which is spelled L-I-N-K-S. 52:21.440 --> 52:27.200 And one of the major problems with the L-Y version of links is it doesn't render tables, 52:27.440 --> 52:29.620 and there's some odd support. 52:29.720 --> 52:31.720 It doesn't format stuff correctly, and it's not as pretty. 52:32.700 --> 52:36.380 Links L-I solves all of that. 52:36.460 --> 52:40.900 It's literally a much better text browser than the other links, L-Y. 52:40.900 --> 52:45.640 Boy, they're just making it hard to compare people when you're talking about it. 52:46.240 --> 52:49.760 Yeah, links is better than links, but I wouldn't use links for this because links can't do that, 52:49.840 --> 52:50.720 but the other links can. 52:52.520 --> 52:53.540 That's absolutely right. 52:53.660 --> 52:57.620 I mean, I've always used the L-Y version when I was in a real bind, 52:57.700 --> 53:00.360 but usually it was just to get the address so that I knew what the W you get. 53:00.360 --> 53:07.420 So other than that, it's, I mean, when you get down to it, if you're using a text browser, 53:07.620 --> 53:12.440 it's because you're more or less in a situation where something's not entirely done 53:12.440 --> 53:15.480 or you're really hurting for resources or something like that. 53:15.820 --> 53:19.540 So, you know, of course it's not going to do the fancy JavaScript and all that jazz, 53:19.620 --> 53:22.160 but that's not what you're looking for at that specific moment in time. 53:22.160 --> 53:28.260 Well, actually, one of Strom and I's friends uses it all the time because he's blind 53:28.260 --> 53:31.540 and he has a screen reader, and links works perfectly for him. 53:33.120 --> 53:34.640 I didn't mean that's an excellent use for it. 53:34.840 --> 53:35.420 Yes, no. 53:35.980 --> 53:44.400 We have two or three people who are blind, and they all use links because it's just a whole lot easier to use. 53:45.000 --> 53:46.220 And they can't see either. 53:46.640 --> 53:46.880 Mm-hmm. 53:47.260 --> 53:47.920 They can't see it. 53:47.980 --> 53:53.320 And actually, they can't use, the links that they use is L, Y, and X, by the way. 53:53.640 --> 53:56.060 And I don't think they can use the L, I, and K, S version. 53:56.940 --> 53:59.680 Oh, God, I can't believe they're making, I sound like a damn fool when I'm saying this, 54:00.040 --> 54:02.100 is just for odd reasons. 54:02.180 --> 54:02.940 I forget why. 54:04.260 --> 54:09.320 But, like, you know, L, I, and K, S, just, they, if you look at it and you compare it between versions, 54:09.320 --> 54:13.380 you bring up two consoles and you run links on one and the other links on the other, 54:13.380 --> 54:17.540 and you just compare them, you can see the L, I, and K, S version is just so much better. 54:19.740 --> 54:21.000 L, I, and K, S version. 54:21.160 --> 54:22.960 God, it sounds so stupid when I say that. 54:23.640 --> 54:24.200 They should name it. 54:24.240 --> 54:27.300 And there's also another program out there which is based on L, I, and K, S. 54:27.480 --> 54:28.660 It's called eLinks. 54:29.460 --> 54:30.780 And it's slightly improved. 54:30.920 --> 54:32.180 I guess the E stands for extra. 54:33.240 --> 54:34.300 They should call it X-Links. 54:34.720 --> 54:35.880 Of course, that would actually probably mean it. 54:35.880 --> 54:36.520 We're talking about X. 54:37.520 --> 54:37.880 Yeah. 54:37.880 --> 54:37.940 Yeah. 54:37.940 --> 54:45.120 GIMP. 54:46.540 --> 54:47.500 GIMP is another thing. 54:47.660 --> 54:49.100 GIMP is an excellent program. 54:49.340 --> 54:50.500 You know, I use it mostly. 54:51.460 --> 54:56.100 GIMP is really the program that's supposed to be the more or less equivalent of Photoshop, 54:56.440 --> 54:57.560 but for the Linux environment. 54:57.880 --> 54:58.140 Mm-hmm. 54:58.720 --> 55:00.880 And, you know, I've used Photoshop for a while. 55:01.320 --> 55:03.820 And for me to move over to GIMP, I mean, it was a little tough. 55:03.900 --> 55:04.880 Some of the things are different. 55:04.880 --> 55:09.460 But one thing that GIMP does that I really like, that Photoshop just doesn't really handle 55:09.460 --> 55:13.280 that well, is you can make really cool text with gradients. 55:13.440 --> 55:15.140 There's a lot more choices in gradients. 55:15.600 --> 55:19.040 There are a couple of features that Photoshop just simply doesn't have. 55:19.460 --> 55:20.740 And, of course, it's the other way around. 55:20.800 --> 55:22.920 There are a couple of filters and stuff that GIMP doesn't have. 55:23.280 --> 55:27.480 But since GIMP is open source, most people are just developing whatever it is they need. 55:27.600 --> 55:30.940 You know, a quick Google search away, and you can find whatever it is you wanted to do 55:30.940 --> 55:32.580 in Photoshop and how to do it in GIMP. 55:32.580 --> 55:35.700 I mean, have you had any experience with GIMP? 55:36.380 --> 55:37.740 Oh, I use GIMP all the time. 55:37.800 --> 55:41.300 And I just use it for basic photo editing stuff, nothing too hardcore. 55:44.080 --> 55:45.460 Because, I mean, I'm trying to think. 55:45.500 --> 55:47.480 I know they have a lot of similar tools. 55:48.020 --> 55:49.660 It's just, I mean, the layout is different. 55:50.000 --> 55:52.080 And it takes some getting used to if you're used to Photoshop. 55:52.420 --> 55:54.740 But, I mean, it runs nice and quick, you know. 55:54.740 --> 55:59.200 It definitely renders a lot of things much faster than Photoshop does. 55:59.360 --> 56:03.760 And I don't know if that's an operating system issue, like that's actual GIMP versus Photoshop. 56:04.160 --> 56:08.740 But I know certain filters can take forever in Photoshop that you can get done pretty quick in GIMP. 56:09.520 --> 56:15.960 Well, for those of you, you're saying that it takes a lot of stuff to get used to Photoshop versus GIMP. 56:16.040 --> 56:22.140 There's actually, I don't know if it's like a fork or a program or just a bunch of different configurations you can use. 56:22.140 --> 56:23.280 It's called GIMP Shop. 56:23.880 --> 56:30.780 And what someone did is basically they took all the GIMP menus and everything and how everything works. 56:31.200 --> 56:35.220 And they converted it all over to exactly the way Photoshop works. 56:36.460 --> 56:37.200 That's cool. 56:37.540 --> 56:39.140 Yeah, it is really cool. 56:39.380 --> 56:46.120 And people who are trying to get used to, like, you know, GIMP over Photoshop are saying it's the best thing since PlaySprat. 56:46.200 --> 56:50.340 Of course, there's a lot of GIMP diehards out there, the software jockeys that are going, 56:50.340 --> 56:54.200 GIMP, you're ruining the GIMP user experience and stuff. 56:54.500 --> 56:57.100 But literally, they are saying that. 56:57.220 --> 56:59.340 I mean, I always thought it was a great thing. 56:59.400 --> 57:02.040 And then I hear people that are actually complaining about it. 57:02.080 --> 57:03.840 And I'm going, come on. 57:03.880 --> 57:05.320 Don't use it if you don't like it. 57:05.640 --> 57:06.620 Well, not even that. 57:06.720 --> 57:08.540 I mean, you're getting your program out to more people. 57:08.900 --> 57:13.840 Yes, it looks kind of different, but you're just expanding your usability. 57:14.440 --> 57:17.100 I mean, if more people are using it, you know, so be it. 57:17.180 --> 57:17.820 Bring it on over. 57:18.140 --> 57:21.020 If you want to go pervert, I don't care if you're perverting my code. 57:21.100 --> 57:23.340 If more people use it and I can help more people, go right ahead. 57:25.880 --> 57:28.840 Some programmers' egos are larger than the others'. 57:29.980 --> 57:32.140 I'm sort of like the Gandhi of programmers, I guess. 57:33.140 --> 57:34.040 The Gandhi of programmers. 57:34.040 --> 57:37.640 Yeah, I'm kind of going bald and everything, too, so that'll kind of work out. 57:39.440 --> 57:40.480 That's just because you're old. 57:41.260 --> 57:41.960 No, I am old. 57:41.960 --> 57:45.000 Well, I'm not as old as Stank or Not Theory. 57:45.700 --> 57:50.940 I'm like, I think I'm like number three in the line or so of the DDP members. 57:51.700 --> 57:53.220 But I am up there. 57:55.020 --> 57:55.860 Next program. 57:56.180 --> 57:57.160 It's a program that I use. 57:57.280 --> 57:59.360 Have you ever heard of this, UltraEdit32, Zygman? 57:59.600 --> 58:01.220 No, I've never used UltraEdit32. 58:03.000 --> 58:07.400 It's called UltraEdit32, but it's still, everyone refers to it as UltraEdit, 58:07.400 --> 58:10.320 and it's available at UltraEdit.com or just Google UltraEdit. 58:11.960 --> 58:16.600 It's a tech setter for Windows, and it is just very well designed. 58:16.840 --> 58:23.060 And it's, I've been using it since about, I'll say like 99 or so, 58:23.220 --> 58:27.600 and it's just, every version he comes out with, it's worth the upgrade. 58:27.800 --> 58:32.220 It's worth just sending like, it's shareware, this is actually, it's not open source, it's not free. 58:32.220 --> 58:37.860 But his prices are very reasonable, and every time he comes out with an upgrade, it is just worth it. 58:38.880 --> 58:43.280 I mean, I, when I find out there's an upgrade, I, you know, find out to when I can afford it. 58:43.320 --> 58:47.120 I mean, it's not, oh my God, I need to fork over my credit card right now. 58:47.180 --> 58:50.700 But at the same point, it's worth the money that he charges for it. 58:50.700 --> 58:55.880 And it's just, and it has, it's a text editor, and it's just very well done, 58:56.000 --> 58:59.000 and it has syntax highlighting, and it understands all kinds of programming, 58:59.260 --> 59:04.920 all kinds of programming languages, and highlights all the text, 59:05.000 --> 59:07.480 and it can understand, you know, if statements, and it has tab spacing, 59:07.480 --> 59:13.240 and, you know, you can like fire it up in HTML mode or C mode, and it has all kinds of buttons. 59:13.240 --> 59:19.740 It's, it's, it's, it's, basically, it's just a very well-written text editor for, for Windows. 59:20.500 --> 59:24.560 Are you saying that it's a lot like KWrite in the sense that it has syntax highlighting 59:24.560 --> 59:26.260 and a lot of features like that? 59:26.580 --> 59:27.480 I guess you could say that. 59:27.580 --> 59:28.880 I, I've never actually used KWrite. 59:30.540 --> 59:35.060 KWrite, as long as we talk about text editors, I mean, KWrite is another really good one for Linux 59:35.060 --> 59:40.740 that has syntax highlighting, and it can understand your, your spacing, and all that cool stuff. 59:40.740 --> 59:47.220 But, um, it's not quite as powerful as, uh, as KWord, which is from, uh, the OpenOffice suite, 59:47.480 --> 59:49.200 which is basically Office for free. 59:49.900 --> 59:51.360 OpenOffice or KOffice? 59:52.860 --> 59:53.860 Uh, I think I'm talking about it. 59:53.860 --> 59:54.660 There's a difference, remember. 59:55.580 --> 59:59.280 I, I believe, if it's, if it's the one written for KDE, it's, it's, it's, it's KOffice. 59:59.820 --> 01:00:01.120 Then I'm talking about KOffice. 01:00:01.280 --> 01:00:01.500 Yes. 01:00:01.560 --> 01:00:05.220 And the whole KOffice suite, which is a, a cool way of going about it. 01:00:05.740 --> 01:00:09.460 But, uh, yeah, KWrite, I guess, would be almost on par with, uh, UltraEdit, 01:00:09.460 --> 01:00:12.720 but, because I'm getting the feeling that UltraEdit has a lot more functionality to it, 01:00:12.780 --> 01:00:16.000 you know, a lot prettier, like centering and tables and things like that. 01:00:16.980 --> 01:00:18.100 I wouldn't go that far. 01:00:18.540 --> 01:00:19.200 No, not quite? 01:00:19.440 --> 01:00:22.080 No, no, it's just very much a, it's a, it's a straight up text editor. 01:00:23.560 --> 01:00:24.740 Which is always very useful. 01:00:25.180 --> 01:00:29.780 It's always very useful, and, uh, one of the cool things is that it, it throws itself into a context menu, 01:00:30.120 --> 01:00:34.240 so when you right click something, it'll pop up and say, UltraEdit 32, and you bring it up, 01:00:34.300 --> 01:00:37.420 and it's just, no matter what it is, and it's also a built-in hex editor, too. 01:00:38.280 --> 01:00:38.640 Awesome. 01:00:38.920 --> 01:00:42.340 Oh, yeah, it's great, and it's all, like, you know, it's sensitive to realize when it's editing text 01:00:42.340 --> 01:00:43.960 and when it's editing a binary file. 01:00:44.520 --> 01:00:46.720 So, it's, it's handy, it really is. 01:00:49.120 --> 01:00:52.780 If nothing else, just for the hex editing, uh, capabilities that it has. 01:00:52.840 --> 01:00:57.320 Yeah, I don't know if there's any, like, you know, decent free text editor, um, sorry, 01:00:57.740 --> 01:00:59.820 decent free hex editors out there for Windows. 01:00:59.820 --> 01:01:06.660 Well, besides debug, because everyone has debug, but debug is a bit, debug is a bit hairy, how can we say? 01:01:07.420 --> 01:01:08.920 Um, that's to put it lightly. 01:01:09.260 --> 01:01:09.520 Yeah. 01:01:10.980 --> 01:01:14.320 Well, actually, we, we should, like, you know, toss this right after GIMP, 01:01:14.340 --> 01:01:18.280 but let's go, um, talk about, uh, Adobe Illustrator. 01:01:18.440 --> 01:01:26.140 Now, Adobe Illustrator is, it's, it's not as much as a photo editor as it is a, you know, design program. 01:01:26.140 --> 01:01:32.160 Like, you can lay out, like, graphic editing, and, you know, you can't do, like, you know, drawings on it and everything, 01:01:32.160 --> 01:01:37.100 but it's, it's just very handy for, like, designing your own graphics for a website or anything, 01:01:37.100 --> 01:01:43.700 and I, I bought a copy of it used at the MIT flea, and I'm not sure if I should admit to that, 01:01:43.740 --> 01:01:49.600 because it's probably violates Adobe's EULA somewhere, but, um, it's an, it's an old version, 01:01:49.760 --> 01:01:54.360 but it works great, and it's solid, and it's just, it's very nice for designing graphics 01:01:54.360 --> 01:01:55.840 and making, like, professional-looking stuff. 01:01:55.960 --> 01:02:03.560 Like, if, if, if anyone's ever seen a lot of my, um, uh, like, my bell system logos or something, 01:02:03.680 --> 01:02:08.800 like, and I, I, I made, like, a bunch of, like, you know, graphics, like, really high-resolution bell system logos, 01:02:08.980 --> 01:02:11.060 and, like, Ohio bell and New England telephone logos. 01:02:11.240 --> 01:02:16.180 That was all done in Illustrator, and, um, actually, if you go into Venra forums, 01:02:16.260 --> 01:02:17.260 I don't even know where the heck it is. 01:02:17.320 --> 01:02:18.960 I think it's in Photoshop Contest now. 01:02:19.100 --> 01:02:21.320 The Strom Carlson, uh, Illustrator. 01:02:21.640 --> 01:02:24.320 Yeah, Strom Carlson did that, Strom Carlson, uh, 01:02:24.360 --> 01:02:28.160 did a whole, uh, graphic of him, and he kind of drew it, 01:02:28.180 --> 01:02:33.920 because he just got a graphics tablet, and, um, he did this, he did that all in Illustrator, 01:02:34.080 --> 01:02:37.080 and he did all the editing, and then what, he was, 01:02:37.200 --> 01:02:40.340 it was basically the drawing of him holding a phone and pointing at it and says, 01:02:40.620 --> 01:02:48.180 Strom Carlson doesn't want you to be a kitty, and, uh, what I did is I, I took the drawing, 01:02:48.180 --> 01:02:52.140 and I, I kind of, you know, I, I used GIMP, and I, I, sort of, 01:02:52.140 --> 01:02:58.160 whited out the, uh, doesn't want you to be a kitty, and I, I, you know, fired it up in, uh, 01:02:58.160 --> 01:03:01.080 Illustrator, and I wrote in there, you know, wants you to pull his finger. 01:03:03.240 --> 01:03:08.240 I, I think I actually started the whole, uh, the whole, uh, Photoshopping it or GIMPing it, 01:03:08.240 --> 01:03:12.200 because, uh, I saw it first, and, of course, I had to take it down, and I added that, uh, 01:03:12.260 --> 01:03:15.480 he wants you to join a boy band, and put that, yeah, that was, yeah, 01:03:15.540 --> 01:03:17.320 I couldn't remember that with you or not, I couldn't. 01:03:17.820 --> 01:03:20.700 Yeah, and then I did another one where I actually colored it in, in Photoshop, 01:03:21.360 --> 01:03:23.180 which is how much we love Photoshop. 01:03:23.660 --> 01:03:23.900 Hmm. 01:03:24.860 --> 01:03:25.500 Photoshop stuff. 01:03:25.760 --> 01:03:26.020 Yeah. 01:03:26.740 --> 01:03:30.240 Um, no, I, I, actually, I will say that I do like Photoshop learning GIMP, 01:03:30.800 --> 01:03:33.540 just for the various things you can do with it. 01:03:33.540 --> 01:03:37.880 Um, but, hey, do we just own, of course, I don't want to spend, 01:03:38.260 --> 01:03:40.980 I don't want to spend $500 on Photoshop, so I use GIMP. 01:03:42.840 --> 01:03:47.220 Hmm, well, taking a step off from, uh, all the, uh, the graphic editing tools, 01:03:47.520 --> 01:03:51.000 there's also, uh, a really good utility that's used for, uh, 01:03:52.100 --> 01:03:55.680 for making, uh, your own CDRs and DVRs and all that jazz, 01:03:55.680 --> 01:03:59.060 and that's got to be, I mean, Nero Burning ROM is probably one of the, 01:03:59.060 --> 01:03:59.320 Hell yeah, amen. 01:03:59.600 --> 01:04:02.580 It's probably one of the easiest graphical interfaces to use. 01:04:02.580 --> 01:04:06.380 It has drag and drop, you can play things by double-clicking on them, 01:04:06.440 --> 01:04:09.500 you can check everything out, it shows you exactly how much space is left on the disc, 01:04:09.580 --> 01:04:11.820 you can save discs, you can do multiple discs. 01:04:12.280 --> 01:04:15.840 I mean, everything you could possibly imagine, you could really do with Nero Burning ROM. 01:04:16.080 --> 01:04:16.280 Yeah. 01:04:16.740 --> 01:04:20.860 It, it's a bit pricey, I think it's like 50 or 70 dollars, 50, 60, 70? 01:04:21.660 --> 01:04:22.980 Somewhere around there, I forget what it is. 01:04:23.040 --> 01:04:24.260 They do have a free trial, though. 01:04:24.660 --> 01:04:26.100 They do have a free trial out there. 01:04:26.100 --> 01:04:34.640 Um, and it's really, um, I, I bought it for work, work, work, work buys it, 01:04:34.700 --> 01:04:38.300 and I, I use it down there when I have to, because I have to burn some CDs in my job, 01:04:38.360 --> 01:04:42.560 so, you know, and they said, oh, well, you know, I, I, I put in my request, 01:04:42.820 --> 01:04:43.820 oh, I want this program. 01:04:43.980 --> 01:04:44.840 Oh, what can you do with it? 01:04:45.080 --> 01:04:45.860 You can burn CDs. 01:04:45.860 --> 01:04:48.220 Um, can't you do that with Windows XP? 01:04:48.980 --> 01:04:51.920 Yeah, but this is just much better, and I did, I made up this bullshit, 01:04:51.920 --> 01:04:55.880 I made up this bullshit excuse of, oh, Windows corrupts CDs a lot, 01:04:55.980 --> 01:04:57.380 and Nero does a much better job of that. 01:04:57.780 --> 01:04:59.720 Oh, oh, okay, we'll buy this for you. 01:05:00.280 --> 01:05:06.440 And it's, it's very much, I, I got to say, it's the Rolls Royce of, of CD-ROM burning programs. 01:05:07.240 --> 01:05:09.880 You know what, I think it's free trial is, is one of them, 01:05:09.900 --> 01:05:12.280 and I think it's Nero Burning ROM, but I'm not exactly sure, 01:05:12.580 --> 01:05:14.440 but it has a really strange trial program. 01:05:14.440 --> 01:05:16.360 It works until the end of the month. 01:05:16.880 --> 01:05:19.120 So if you install it on, like, the 27th day of the month, 01:05:19.180 --> 01:05:21.220 you're only going to get, like, two or three days out of it. 01:05:21.260 --> 01:05:23.080 But if you install it in the very beginning of the month, 01:05:23.240 --> 01:05:24.600 you get a full usage out of it. 01:05:24.660 --> 01:05:27.420 And I think it's Nero that has that strange free trial. 01:05:27.880 --> 01:05:29.880 Ha, ha, ha, ha, I got to say, that's pretty funny. 01:05:30.280 --> 01:05:32.160 I, I don't know I've never used a free trial. 01:05:33.360 --> 01:05:34.820 I've always had a, oh, yes. 01:05:36.260 --> 01:05:37.260 If I'm wrong, I'm sorry. 01:05:37.420 --> 01:05:39.820 You know, don't listen to me, but, uh, you know. 01:05:40.640 --> 01:05:41.000 Yeah. 01:05:41.600 --> 01:05:43.820 Blame Dr. Z, but he's finally wrong about something. 01:05:43.820 --> 01:05:44.740 Thank God. 01:05:45.400 --> 01:05:46.280 Oh, don't go there. 01:05:46.540 --> 01:05:49.100 She's not having those home runs episodes anymore. 01:05:50.700 --> 01:05:53.400 Um, I don't have to do Nero Burning ROM. 01:05:53.900 --> 01:05:54.260 Ethereal. 01:05:54.540 --> 01:05:55.720 Ethereal's another fun program. 01:05:55.820 --> 01:05:59.300 What Ethereal is, is it's a Ethernet packet sniffer, 01:05:59.780 --> 01:06:02.040 and you can actually, it's a little more than just Ethernet packets, 01:06:02.140 --> 01:06:03.020 but you can sniff anything. 01:06:03.520 --> 01:06:06.240 And it's a graphical user interface cross-platform. 01:06:06.360 --> 01:06:08.500 We're back into free programs again, just so you know. 01:06:09.480 --> 01:06:10.520 Completely open source. 01:06:10.520 --> 01:06:12.960 Yeah, it's just a very well-run program. 01:06:13.300 --> 01:06:17.220 Um, you can, like, you know, sniff traffic, save it to a file, 01:06:17.340 --> 01:06:21.660 open it up later, look at it as more, tack on some, tack on to it, I believe. 01:06:21.840 --> 01:06:22.640 I could be wrong. 01:06:23.200 --> 01:06:27.480 Um, and, like, they have, like, all kinds of built-in decoders for traffic. 01:06:27.960 --> 01:06:34.140 Like, uh, you can, like, you know, it'll say, oh, this must be, uh, A1's messenger packet. 01:06:34.260 --> 01:06:35.180 Here's who it's from. 01:06:35.400 --> 01:06:36.380 Here's who it's to. 01:06:36.740 --> 01:06:38.020 Here's what the text is. 01:06:38.640 --> 01:06:39.740 It's, it's amazing. 01:06:40.600 --> 01:06:41.940 And even, like, string. 01:06:42.320 --> 01:06:42.540 Mm-hmm. 01:06:43.340 --> 01:06:47.340 And, well, and Ethereal also has a really cool little additional program that, uh, 01:06:47.340 --> 01:06:49.480 I use it in Linux, but a lot of people don't know about it, 01:06:49.520 --> 01:06:52.200 but it's, uh, T-Ethero, or however it's pronounced. 01:06:52.600 --> 01:06:52.860 Yeah. 01:06:53.000 --> 01:06:53.880 It's the word with T. 01:06:53.880 --> 01:06:54.080 Ethereal. 01:06:54.800 --> 01:06:56.340 So it's T-Ethero. 01:06:56.680 --> 01:06:56.960 Thank you. 01:06:56.960 --> 01:06:57.220 All right? 01:06:57.400 --> 01:07:01.320 And that, and that just runs in the console, and it'll show you just more or less the kinds 01:07:01.320 --> 01:07:05.700 of packets that are going by, and I use that a lot whenever I'm having trouble getting a 01:07:05.700 --> 01:07:06.500 network to work. 01:07:06.700 --> 01:07:11.900 I'll put something in monitor mode in between, uh, with, uh, T-Ethero, and it'll show me 01:07:11.900 --> 01:07:15.280 exactly what's going by in real time in a, in a console environment. 01:07:15.580 --> 01:07:19.800 But when you can get to that GUI, I mean, you really can't beat the way Ethereal shows 01:07:19.800 --> 01:07:20.180 you everything. 01:07:20.340 --> 01:07:23.660 It groups, just like you're saying, and it decodes everything nice and pretty. 01:07:23.960 --> 01:07:26.400 You can, you, you can really do a lot with it. 01:07:27.160 --> 01:07:28.140 It is the shizzle. 01:07:29.180 --> 01:07:33.820 And I've actually, I, I, I, I don't actually know, would it be T-Ethero or T-Ethero? 01:07:33.920 --> 01:07:34.360 How about that? 01:07:35.000 --> 01:07:35.760 There's a question. 01:07:36.220 --> 01:07:36.540 Ooh. 01:07:37.400 --> 01:07:38.660 It's got a T in front of it. 01:07:38.700 --> 01:07:40.160 I think that's as far as we need to go. 01:07:40.420 --> 01:07:40.780 Yeah. 01:07:40.960 --> 01:07:42.840 Um, probably because it stands for text. 01:07:43.020 --> 01:07:43.340 Ooh. 01:07:43.620 --> 01:07:48.080 Yes, uh, Ethereal's at Ethereal.com, and it's spelled Ethereal, Ethereal.com? 01:07:48.160 --> 01:07:48.440 I don't know. 01:07:48.440 --> 01:07:52.020 But Google Ethereal, E-T-H-E-R-E-A-L. 01:07:52.580 --> 01:07:57.180 And, uh, Nero Burning ROM is, uh, available at, uh, Nero.com, I believe. 01:07:58.880 --> 01:08:01.300 I, Nero.com or is it Ahead.com? 01:08:01.460 --> 01:08:02.460 Oh, Ahead.com. 01:08:02.520 --> 01:08:02.920 I'm sorry. 01:08:03.020 --> 01:08:04.280 I'm completely wrong on that one. 01:08:04.320 --> 01:08:05.100 Ahead.com. 01:08:05.560 --> 01:08:06.660 Oh, so I was right. 01:08:06.940 --> 01:08:07.560 Yes, you were right. 01:08:07.620 --> 01:08:10.580 Well, you, you, you could be right too, but I'd just like to point out the fact you were 01:08:10.580 --> 01:08:11.100 wrong once. 01:08:11.700 --> 01:08:11.980 Okay. 01:08:11.980 --> 01:08:17.320 And if you can't find an illustrator, you know, sorry, you, you, you, you, you lose at the interweb. 01:08:17.320 --> 01:08:20.420 Yeah, at the interweb. 01:08:20.620 --> 01:08:20.840 Yeah. 01:08:20.840 --> 01:08:26.760 Well, as long as we're talking about, uh, more or less network related programs, uh, 01:08:26.760 --> 01:08:30.560 probably one of my favorite programs for Windows, and I have my laptop dual boot, so whenever 01:08:30.560 --> 01:08:35.000 I need to get into it, I can use this, but it's a program by the name of LookAtLAN, and 01:08:35.000 --> 01:08:42.980 it's, uh, L-O-O-K, the at sign, LAN, and you can get it at www.uh, L-O-O-K-A-T, not the 01:08:42.980 --> 01:08:46.000 at sign, uh, the A-T-L-A-N.com. 01:08:46.160 --> 01:08:50.460 It's made by, uh, Carlos, uh, and I'm going to butcher his last name, but it's M-E-D-A-S, 01:08:50.520 --> 01:08:51.980 so I believe that's M-E-D-A-S? 01:08:52.980 --> 01:08:53.880 Am I right on that? 01:08:54.420 --> 01:08:54.900 M-E-D-A-S. 01:08:54.900 --> 01:08:54.920 M-E-D-A-S. 01:08:54.920 --> 01:08:55.200 M-E-D-A-S. 01:08:55.200 --> 01:08:55.380 There you go. 01:08:55.380 --> 01:08:56.400 Carlos M-E-D-A-S. 01:08:56.780 --> 01:08:56.960 Yeah. 01:08:57.060 --> 01:08:57.740 Stuff all over. 01:08:58.160 --> 01:08:59.100 Spanish for your story. 01:08:59.100 --> 01:09:06.240 Uh, it's graphical, um, it has really fast enumeration of all the different nodes on 01:09:06.240 --> 01:09:06.700 a network. 01:09:07.040 --> 01:09:12.660 It has OS detection, um, you can use it, you can set up mail traps, or, um, and what a mail 01:09:12.660 --> 01:09:17.720 trap will do is if, uh, uh, you can set it up so that if a user goes offline, you'll get 01:09:17.720 --> 01:09:23.180 an email to the effect that they got knocked offline, if, uh, anything changes, or any of 01:09:23.180 --> 01:09:29.080 the, uh, the ARPs get, uh, uh, you know, if the ARP caches get mixed up, it'll, you 01:09:29.080 --> 01:09:33.740 can get it to email you that, uh, there's 300,000 users who use it right now, so it's 01:09:33.740 --> 01:09:38.160 a pretty well-tested product, and of course, it's free, so, I mean, you can't really beat 01:09:38.160 --> 01:09:38.440 that. 01:09:38.540 --> 01:09:42.960 It'll also do port scans if you tell it to, I mean, I really like it. 01:09:43.000 --> 01:09:46.500 It's all graphical, you know, you get nice, pretty things to show you, and that's how Windows 01:09:46.500 --> 01:09:50.060 works, and you can also export everything over to a report, so. 01:09:50.100 --> 01:09:50.940 Is it free? 01:09:51.040 --> 01:09:54.340 Because I, um, I, I'm reading it over here, it's got a free trial version. 01:09:55.100 --> 01:09:57.560 You know, um, I've never had the free trial of Spire. 01:09:58.420 --> 01:09:58.740 Oh. 01:09:59.640 --> 01:10:01.660 So, I'm not sure. 01:10:01.660 --> 01:10:04.260 Oh, wait a minute, I'm sorry, I'm looking at the wrong thing, hold on for one second. 01:10:04.660 --> 01:10:10.580 Oh, no, yeah, Lookout LAN is a freeware product, pardon me, he has, like, Midas, the VNS, I 01:10:10.580 --> 01:10:11.860 don't even know what the hell VNS does. 01:10:13.380 --> 01:10:15.900 Sounds like some type of strange disease you may get. 01:10:16.840 --> 01:10:17.960 I don't know if we want to go to LAN. 01:10:18.180 --> 01:10:18.380 Yeah. 01:10:19.440 --> 01:10:21.840 Yeah, I got the VNS, shouldn't have gone down to New Orleans. 01:10:24.220 --> 01:10:27.120 Actually, it's, shouldn't have gone to Thailand, how about that, that sounds a whole lot better. 01:10:27.120 --> 01:10:31.700 That's, no, I don't want to insult New Orleans right now, but Thailand, they're, they're still 01:10:31.700 --> 01:10:32.400 fine right now. 01:10:32.580 --> 01:10:34.040 They, they got over that tsunami thing. 01:10:36.140 --> 01:10:36.720 Bye now. 01:10:37.120 --> 01:10:37.400 Yeah. 01:10:37.400 --> 01:10:42.840 Actually, since, I don't know the website for this one, but it's, there's a program out 01:10:42.840 --> 01:10:46.680 there, since we're talking about, like, you know, sniffing and traps and all kinds of 01:10:46.680 --> 01:10:47.140 cool stuff. 01:10:47.280 --> 01:10:52.620 One of the programs, I believe we've mentioned on the show before, Cain and Abel, C-A-I-N 01:10:52.620 --> 01:10:54.240 and A-B-E-L. 01:10:55.600 --> 01:11:00.360 It's, it's a, it's a sniffer, it's a VoIPs capturing, it's, it's, it's, it's literally 01:11:00.360 --> 01:11:02.620 a Swiss Army chainsaw of tools. 01:11:03.740 --> 01:11:05.300 You, you can get everything in there. 01:11:05.360 --> 01:11:07.860 They have, like, you know, SAM password cracking. 01:11:08.180 --> 01:11:11.760 It's Windows only, by the way, and I believe Lookatland's also Windows only, I think? 01:11:11.900 --> 01:11:12.160 Yes. 01:11:12.520 --> 01:11:12.820 Okay. 01:11:16.500 --> 01:11:19.960 You can't enable, it's just, I, I don't remember all the stuff it can do. 01:11:20.040 --> 01:11:24.060 I haven't actually installed it since I reinstalled my computer, but it's, it's freeware, not 01:11:24.060 --> 01:11:26.820 open source, but, it's, it's made by Oxide, right? 01:11:27.560 --> 01:11:28.940 Um, yeah, that sounds right. 01:11:29.660 --> 01:11:31.100 I think it is made by Oxide. 01:11:31.260 --> 01:11:32.760 Yeah, that, that, that, that sounds right. 01:11:33.800 --> 01:11:34.520 Lord only knows. 01:11:35.600 --> 01:11:39.560 Um, it's, it's, it's, it's a fun program to fool around with, but just don't do it for 01:11:39.560 --> 01:11:40.660 evil purposes. 01:11:41.000 --> 01:11:41.760 Dun, dun, dun, dun. 01:11:42.160 --> 01:11:44.160 They actually just fixed a problem with it. 01:11:44.300 --> 01:11:47.280 They came out with a new version, I think it was about a month ago, whenever it was 01:11:47.280 --> 01:11:49.960 trying to dump the, uh, I think it's the LSA secrets. 01:11:50.400 --> 01:11:50.680 Mm-hmm. 01:11:50.700 --> 01:11:51.780 It was crashing in the computer. 01:11:52.500 --> 01:11:52.860 Oops. 01:11:52.960 --> 01:11:57.820 They fixed that issue, and now it works properly, so now it's, once again, in my, uh, tool kit. 01:11:58.300 --> 01:12:02.000 Um, it's really good for citizen administrators just to make sure that all their passwords 01:12:02.000 --> 01:12:02.480 are secure. 01:12:03.400 --> 01:12:07.020 Yeah, um, oh, since, since we're talking about secure passwords here, we can just sort of 01:12:07.020 --> 01:12:08.580 like closely go on tangents here. 01:12:09.280 --> 01:12:11.460 Um, another fun program out there is, uh. 01:12:11.460 --> 01:12:14.200 Are we going to talk about John now? 01:12:14.280 --> 01:12:16.120 Oh, we're going to talk about, uh, John's another good one. 01:12:16.160 --> 01:12:24.080 I was actually going to talk about Loftcrack, uh, L-0-P-H-T-C-R-A-K-C-K, C-R-A-C-K, yeah. 01:12:24.600 --> 01:12:29.580 Uh, Loftcrack is actually made by the people that formerly were called Aloft, and before 01:12:29.580 --> 01:12:33.700 that were called, well, formerly were called Aloft, then they were called At-State. 01:12:33.700 --> 01:12:35.620 I believe they were owned by Symantec now. 01:12:36.760 --> 01:12:40.800 Um, it's, it's a Windows password cracker, and it's, it's expensive. 01:12:41.920 --> 01:12:45.660 Uh, I believe we actually have a license for it at work, but it's, it's amazing, some of 01:12:45.660 --> 01:12:46.300 the stuff it can do. 01:12:46.700 --> 01:12:52.460 Like, before we started enforcing, this was back in 2000 or so, and I started running it 01:12:52.460 --> 01:12:55.540 against our, um, password database. 01:12:55.680 --> 01:13:00.340 It literally cracked about half of our users' passwords within us. 01:13:00.340 --> 01:13:04.180 Like, you know, you click, crack, and it's like, bam, there's half your passwords right 01:13:04.180 --> 01:13:06.920 there, because it just did a, like, really quick dictionary attack on them. 01:13:07.220 --> 01:13:08.400 It was just amazing. 01:13:08.540 --> 01:13:12.220 And then, within 24 hours, it had 99% of the passwords cracked. 01:13:12.680 --> 01:13:15.800 Although, I would like to state for the record, not mine. 01:13:15.800 --> 01:13:16.300 For a password. 01:13:16.580 --> 01:13:17.820 I, I was very proud. 01:13:18.820 --> 01:13:22.440 Um, and I, I don't, I don't believe my, my supervisor either, but my assistant, 01:13:22.560 --> 01:13:23.980 supervisor, she, she got cracked. 01:13:24.060 --> 01:13:24.700 She got owned. 01:13:25.220 --> 01:13:26.040 Owned by the law. 01:13:26.600 --> 01:13:28.760 Was it God, was it God, sex, secret, or love? 01:13:29.120 --> 01:13:30.980 I think it was one of her children's names. 01:13:31.580 --> 01:13:31.900 Oh. 01:13:32.360 --> 01:13:33.460 Yeah, it was one of those. 01:13:33.600 --> 01:13:35.860 No, no, you're supposed to be smarter than that. 01:13:35.880 --> 01:13:36.340 I'm sorry. 01:13:37.340 --> 01:13:37.980 Shame on you. 01:13:39.000 --> 01:13:40.140 But, um, John the Ripper. 01:13:40.360 --> 01:13:41.120 Yeah, you want to talk about that? 01:13:41.720 --> 01:13:46.020 Well, John the Ripper is, you know what, I usually use it, even though it is, it is a, 01:13:46.020 --> 01:13:47.980 um, a, a password cracker. 01:13:48.840 --> 01:13:51.200 Um, I usually use it just to benchmark CPUs. 01:13:51.240 --> 01:13:52.380 It has that as a great feature. 01:13:52.760 --> 01:13:56.940 But it can, I mean, and I don't remember all the types of encryption, or the types 01:13:56.940 --> 01:13:58.580 of hashes that it can, it can run through. 01:13:59.060 --> 01:14:00.380 But it runs really well. 01:14:00.460 --> 01:14:01.300 It's nice and fast. 01:14:01.560 --> 01:14:04.800 It'll really take over a computer, so you gotta be careful about that aspect. 01:14:05.260 --> 01:14:08.840 But, you feed it basically, you know, the same way you feed it, you can either give it 01:14:08.840 --> 01:14:10.580 dictionary files, you can have it brute force. 01:14:11.260 --> 01:14:16.100 And it'll try to crack, uh, you can shadow passwords, passwords with salt, and, uh, mostly 01:14:16.100 --> 01:14:17.760 for the Unix environment, things like that. 01:14:17.760 --> 01:14:19.040 I don't know if it does Windows passwords. 01:14:19.220 --> 01:14:19.840 Do you know about that? 01:14:20.180 --> 01:14:23.380 Um, well, John the Ripper just brute forces them, so it's capable of doing it. 01:14:23.420 --> 01:14:25.380 I'm not sure if it runs on the Windows platform, though. 01:14:25.900 --> 01:14:27.140 Though, I don't, I don't see why not. 01:14:27.140 --> 01:14:32.240 Um, actually, what, what, what makes Lostcrack so good is it actually uses a vulnerability 01:14:32.240 --> 01:14:35.500 in the, I wouldn't, well, I guess you'd call it a vulnerability. 01:14:36.000 --> 01:14:39.700 There's sort of a flaw in one of the, uh, Windows, this is all NT4. 01:14:40.220 --> 01:14:48.000 Uh, one of Windows's, NT4 Windows, um, passwords storage thing, and it was just, it was bad. 01:14:48.080 --> 01:14:51.540 It could easily crack all of them within brute force, and that's how you could crack most 01:14:51.540 --> 01:14:57.680 of them with these 24 hours, so, that, that was one of the problems it had. 01:15:00.400 --> 01:15:03.440 But you don't have that vulnerability in current versions of Windows, do you? 01:15:03.760 --> 01:15:05.240 I'm trying to think, and I'm not sure. 01:15:05.760 --> 01:15:06.460 Someone will tell us. 01:15:06.960 --> 01:15:07.880 Someone will email us. 01:15:07.900 --> 01:15:08.420 Email us. 01:15:08.740 --> 01:15:09.380 Email us. 01:15:11.580 --> 01:15:12.920 Radio at BINROP.com. 01:15:14.120 --> 01:15:15.520 All right, do you want to start wrapping up? 01:15:15.780 --> 01:15:19.280 I, I think we've covered a lot of, if, if, if we haven't mentioned something, and you 01:15:19.280 --> 01:15:22.600 think there's a cool program, or hell, if you just think there's a cool program, and, 01:15:22.720 --> 01:15:26.480 you know, we're not talking about it this week, just drop us a line, drop me an IM, I'm 01:15:26.480 --> 01:15:27.940 on AIM, uh, Black Ratchet. 01:15:28.940 --> 01:15:30.860 Um, do you want to go about your AIM name? 01:15:30.920 --> 01:15:32.220 I'm not sure if that's public information. 01:15:32.380 --> 01:15:33.620 You know what, I might as well. 01:15:33.780 --> 01:15:38.120 Um, my AIM name is, uh, Dr. Big Man, just without the carrot, because, uh, AIM doesn't 01:15:38.120 --> 01:15:38.680 like carrots. 01:15:39.080 --> 01:15:39.300 Yes. 01:15:39.720 --> 01:15:42.460 Oh, oh my God, I can't believe we didn't mention this in housekeeping. 01:15:42.820 --> 01:15:47.600 Yeah, actually, for those of you who don't know, um, actually, is this public knowledge yet? 01:15:47.600 --> 01:15:49.560 Uh, I believe it is. 01:15:49.680 --> 01:15:50.280 You believe it is? 01:15:50.360 --> 01:15:52.580 Oh, yeah, you, you're, you're on IRC, so. 01:15:53.100 --> 01:15:56.180 Yeah, Sigman is now a proud member of the Digital Dog Pound. 01:15:57.220 --> 01:15:57.620 Wow. 01:15:58.020 --> 01:15:58.380 Yeah. 01:15:59.460 --> 01:16:04.020 Hey, look at that, like, you know, if run hack TV and you get inducted into our evil ceremony, 01:16:04.120 --> 01:16:06.440 and my UPS is making a loud beeping noise right now. 01:16:08.500 --> 01:16:10.500 It's, it's, it's just that excited for Dr. Sigman. 01:16:11.300 --> 01:16:12.280 It's, it's clamoring. 01:16:12.740 --> 01:16:13.660 I feel the love. 01:16:14.040 --> 01:16:16.740 Yes, a, a, a, a, what is it? 01:16:16.740 --> 01:16:19.220 Um, smart UPS 1400 by APC. 01:16:19.320 --> 01:16:20.180 That doesn't have a battery. 01:16:20.300 --> 01:16:20.960 That's why it's complaining. 01:16:21.960 --> 01:16:23.580 Um, yeah, so. 01:16:23.580 --> 01:16:25.000 No, but actually, it's really cool. 01:16:25.300 --> 01:16:29.700 Um, I'm very, very happy to be afforded the opportunity to, uh, be a member of the Digital 01:16:29.700 --> 01:16:30.320 Dog Pound. 01:16:30.500 --> 01:16:33.440 Uh, I, I think it's one of the coolest things that's really ever happened to me. 01:16:33.640 --> 01:16:36.660 So, uh, I look forward to doing a lot of great projects with the group. 01:16:37.200 --> 01:16:41.280 Um, I, it's unfortunate that I don't get to meet all the original members. 01:16:41.280 --> 01:16:45.000 But, uh, you know, I, I look forward to doing a lot of great things. 01:16:45.380 --> 01:16:49.300 And, uh, I thank you guys, everybody in the DDP for, uh, for the invitation. 01:16:49.640 --> 01:16:53.860 And, uh, I'm going to try to work up, work up to the, uh, to the, uh, high expectations 01:16:53.860 --> 01:16:55.060 of the Digital Dog Pound. 01:16:55.660 --> 01:16:56.740 The high expectations. 01:16:56.900 --> 01:16:57.560 There's a laugh. 01:16:57.560 --> 01:16:59.280 Oh, I mean, um, yeah. 01:16:59.420 --> 01:17:00.060 Yeah, exactly. 01:17:00.200 --> 01:17:00.980 That's, that's really good. 01:17:02.840 --> 01:17:03.780 Might as well ask it. 01:17:03.820 --> 01:17:05.060 When, when's Hack TV coming out? 01:17:06.440 --> 01:17:08.320 Hack TV should be coming out soon. 01:17:08.580 --> 01:17:12.140 And the reason I'm going to say soon is because when I gave a date last time, I stabbed myself 01:17:12.140 --> 01:17:13.260 in the foot by doing that. 01:17:13.860 --> 01:17:13.900 Um, all the time. 01:17:13.900 --> 01:17:18.800 Oh, you, you, you, you did, you did have a, uh, extenuating circumstance with the fact 01:17:18.800 --> 01:17:21.700 that you got evacuated over to, uh, I don't even know where the hell you were. 01:17:22.000 --> 01:17:22.260 Georgia? 01:17:22.380 --> 01:17:23.680 I went to, I went to Georgia, yeah. 01:17:23.680 --> 01:17:26.980 But I don't want to use the hurricane as another excuse, even if it is true. 01:17:27.560 --> 01:17:30.660 But, uh, we're just going to record the intros, and then it should be all done. 01:17:30.800 --> 01:17:31.940 All the segments are put together. 01:17:32.460 --> 01:17:36.720 Um, I'm waiting on a couple of people just to approve the, uh, segments that they submitted, 01:17:36.980 --> 01:17:39.700 because that was always a deal of mine, that you'll approve it before I use it. 01:17:40.400 --> 01:17:42.060 And, uh, it's going to be real soon. 01:17:42.220 --> 01:17:45.260 I, I, I promise it's going to be really soon. 01:17:45.840 --> 01:17:47.880 Unless there's another hurricane, Lord only knows. 01:17:49.020 --> 01:17:52.860 Even if there's another hurricane, I'll tell you what, I will grab my computer with me 01:17:52.860 --> 01:17:54.920 to wherever I have to go and make sure it gets done. 01:17:54.920 --> 01:17:59.100 They'll go to, they'll go to the Superdome and go, do a Hack TV. 01:17:59.360 --> 01:18:00.720 Hack TV, Superdome edition. 01:18:02.340 --> 01:18:03.140 On the road. 01:18:03.320 --> 01:18:04.040 On the road. 01:18:04.060 --> 01:18:05.200 On the road with Zygmunt. 01:18:05.360 --> 01:18:05.920 Oh, yeah. 01:18:06.680 --> 01:18:10.720 I, I can see, like, Zygmunt on the, on the chopper cruising down the highway with, like, 01:18:10.720 --> 01:18:11.280 a bandana. 01:18:11.860 --> 01:18:14.700 And he's got, like, a CPU, like, strapped to the back of the motorcycle. 01:18:15.080 --> 01:18:15.880 That's right. 01:18:15.880 --> 01:18:17.700 That's, that's exactly what it is. 01:18:17.740 --> 01:18:20.700 And it says, uh, free clog on it or something like that. 01:18:20.940 --> 01:18:21.160 Yeah. 01:18:21.240 --> 01:18:22.420 O, O, S, S, for Eva. 01:18:25.700 --> 01:18:26.940 Anyway, announcements. 01:18:27.900 --> 01:18:31.980 Um, been around 508 at the Framingham Borders this Friday. 01:18:32.620 --> 01:18:34.000 Uh, I'm going to try to be there. 01:18:34.000 --> 01:18:36.340 I'm not sure if, uh, Namaskat's going to be there. 01:18:36.400 --> 01:18:38.100 I'm not even sure how to pronounce his name, to be honest with you. 01:18:38.100 --> 01:18:42.520 Um, the meeting, I think, starts at 6, but I don't think I'll be able to make it out there 01:18:42.520 --> 01:18:42.900 at 7. 01:18:43.060 --> 01:18:44.560 And I'm not even sure if I can make it at all. 01:18:44.700 --> 01:18:47.540 So, you know, who, who knows? 01:18:47.620 --> 01:18:48.060 Who knows? 01:18:49.260 --> 01:18:51.320 Um, you, does, is 5-6-1 this week? 01:18:52.000 --> 01:18:55.960 5-6-1 is meeting this week at, uh, Panera Bread, which is, uh, on Yamato. 01:18:56.320 --> 01:18:59.080 That's the BinRev 5-6-1, which is our Florida little chapter. 01:18:59.700 --> 01:19:03.140 Um, it's going to be that Panera Bread, as I said, it's going to be right near Yamato. 01:19:03.640 --> 01:19:04.960 Uh, it's Yamato and Federal. 01:19:05.240 --> 01:19:07.440 So, so for anybody who knows it, uh, we're moving it there. 01:19:07.440 --> 01:19:09.400 Because that way we have more space and we have free Wi-Fi. 01:19:09.860 --> 01:19:11.260 So, uh, come and check us out there. 01:19:11.660 --> 01:19:16.440 Uh, I'm trying to drag, uh, one of my professors from my programming course to come down and, 01:19:16.440 --> 01:19:18.260 and really help me out with the presentation. 01:19:18.260 --> 01:19:21.660 Because, um, she's going to really, she's really knowledgeable about it. 01:19:21.680 --> 01:19:24.020 And I'll also ask the TA if you'd be willing to come. 01:19:24.460 --> 01:19:26.980 And, uh, both of them said they'd like to, but neither are committed. 01:19:27.140 --> 01:19:28.160 So, hopefully they'll make it. 01:19:28.660 --> 01:19:31.060 Um, you're going to have my presentation on buffer overflows. 01:19:31.420 --> 01:19:34.840 Hopefully we'll have, uh, some sample code for, uh, SQL injection. 01:19:34.840 --> 01:19:36.940 We'll show off more than just the 1 equals 1. 01:19:37.440 --> 01:19:42.480 And, uh, we'll show maybe dumping the database, things like that, and with really vulnerable scripts, 01:19:42.540 --> 01:19:46.260 and how you can try to enumerate what the database looks like, and how to structure your queries. 01:19:47.000 --> 01:19:49.880 And, uh, yeah, that should be a lot of fun. 01:19:49.920 --> 01:19:51.720 So, come and join us for Binware 5.6.1. 01:19:52.860 --> 01:19:53.960 Yay, 5.6.1. 01:19:53.960 --> 01:19:57.600 Um, hey, since you're talking, how about your shouts? 01:19:58.800 --> 01:19:59.340 Uh, sure. 01:19:59.620 --> 01:20:02.960 I'd like to give a shout-out to the DDP, of course, for giving me the chance to join them. 01:20:03.520 --> 01:20:05.040 Uh, I really look forward to it. 01:20:05.100 --> 01:20:05.780 Thanks again, guys. 01:20:05.840 --> 01:20:06.460 I feel the love. 01:20:06.900 --> 01:20:10.640 Um, it's Booter's birthday, or his birthday was yesterday, so happy birthday to Booter. 01:20:11.040 --> 01:20:11.740 Hey, Booter! 01:20:12.340 --> 01:20:12.680 Yeah. 01:20:13.060 --> 01:20:15.520 Hack and Slash got it at 34 on his DCT. 01:20:16.180 --> 01:20:19.600 So, uh, the baby member, the DDP, he is doing well in school. 01:20:19.820 --> 01:20:20.520 We're all proud of him. 01:20:20.800 --> 01:20:22.100 Is, is, is that, is that good? 01:20:22.180 --> 01:20:22.720 I don't know. 01:20:23.620 --> 01:20:24.900 Um, yeah, it actually is. 01:20:24.940 --> 01:20:25.580 It's really good. 01:20:25.600 --> 01:20:26.340 It's an excellent score. 01:20:26.580 --> 01:20:28.340 What, what's, what's, what's the, what's the scale on? 01:20:28.700 --> 01:20:30.540 Uh, you know, I don't remember the exact scale. 01:20:30.540 --> 01:20:35.760 So, I, I don't remember the exact scale, but I know, I know when I took them in seventh 01:20:35.760 --> 01:20:39.380 grade for the Duke Talent Identification Program, I scored a 28. 01:20:40.060 --> 01:20:42.900 So, and that was supposed to be really good for the time. 01:20:42.980 --> 01:20:44.900 So, I'm guessing the 34 is, like, really awesome. 01:20:45.100 --> 01:20:48.920 So, I'm guessing that it's good, and we're going to let it go as if it was really good. 01:20:49.120 --> 01:20:50.300 So, good job, Hack and Slash. 01:20:50.600 --> 01:20:51.700 Yay, Hack and Slash. 01:20:52.460 --> 01:20:54.220 Um, I want to thank RM Pants. 01:20:54.440 --> 01:20:57.340 Uh, he helped me out with some great curl scripts for the asterisk that I was working on. 01:20:57.340 --> 01:21:01.020 And, uh, same thing with Logosex, he helped me out with some database assistance, which 01:21:01.020 --> 01:21:01.720 was always cool. 01:21:02.280 --> 01:21:03.440 And, uh, that's going to be my shout. 01:21:03.580 --> 01:21:04.140 Thanks, guys. 01:21:05.040 --> 01:21:05.620 How about you? 01:21:06.160 --> 01:21:11.080 Um, shout, shout, shout, shout for you for doing this on, on kind of short notice, because 01:21:11.080 --> 01:21:14.120 like I said, the whole curveball and the slapdash thing, blah, blah, blah, blah. 01:21:14.940 --> 01:21:19.300 Um, so, uh, shout, shout, shout, for whatever he's studying for. 01:21:19.400 --> 01:21:20.920 I'm not even completely sure. 01:21:21.740 --> 01:21:24.440 Um, yeah, that's about it. 01:21:24.440 --> 01:21:28.060 Um, it's a whole lot easier to have shouts when you're, like, only on, like, once every 01:21:28.060 --> 01:21:28.760 month or so. 01:21:29.420 --> 01:21:32.700 When you do it every week, it just kind of, oh, shout, shout, uh, there. 01:21:33.040 --> 01:21:33.860 Shout, shout, shout, to Stank. 01:21:33.960 --> 01:21:37.100 And, um, I'm going to send shout, shout, to a special somebody. 01:21:37.860 --> 01:21:41.600 Um, I'm pretty sure I'm never going to listen to the show, but, you know, he knows who he 01:21:41.600 --> 01:21:41.900 is. 01:21:42.440 --> 01:21:43.600 Um, he had a big day today. 01:21:44.720 --> 01:21:46.800 Um, well, big day today on Monday. 01:21:46.980 --> 01:21:48.180 So, you know, shout, shout, shout, to him. 01:21:49.340 --> 01:21:50.760 Um, shout, shout, to him, definitely. 01:21:51.500 --> 01:21:51.860 Exactly. 01:21:52.700 --> 01:21:53.800 Um, side of the week. 01:21:53.800 --> 01:21:55.520 Uh, DefaultRadio.com. 01:21:55.620 --> 01:22:00.320 They actually released episode 40 this week on November 11th, or last week in this case. 01:22:01.000 --> 01:22:01.180 Um. 01:22:01.180 --> 01:22:01.880 At 1111. 01:22:02.460 --> 01:22:03.240 At 1111. 01:22:03.400 --> 01:22:04.360 And then they crashed. 01:22:04.460 --> 01:22:06.580 And then they had to restart, like, 1141 or something. 01:22:07.580 --> 01:22:10.880 You know, I don't think everybody gets that joke about why they did it at 1111. 01:22:11.020 --> 01:22:11.880 Do you know about that? 01:22:12.460 --> 01:22:15.420 Well, that's, that's, that's Default Radio's thing, 1111. 01:22:15.800 --> 01:22:16.380 That's email. 01:22:16.720 --> 01:22:19.520 A lot of people I don't think need that, so they're going to throw that out there. 01:22:20.140 --> 01:22:20.400 Hmm. 01:22:21.240 --> 01:22:21.680 Um. 01:22:22.860 --> 01:22:23.260 Email. 01:22:23.800 --> 01:22:26.660 Radio at BinRev.com, as always, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 01:22:27.320 --> 01:22:31.320 Uh, email us if you think you've made, you know, like I said, you know, if there's a program 01:22:31.320 --> 01:22:34.140 that we missed, or if there's a program that you like, uh, toss it back up here. 01:22:34.180 --> 01:22:38.780 We may have another, we may just not put it on immediately, but if we have another one 01:22:38.780 --> 01:22:43.160 of these shows, we'll go toss it out there, and we'll go figure it out, and I'll go play 01:22:43.160 --> 01:22:43.260 it. 01:22:43.280 --> 01:22:44.880 And I always like finding a new program, don't you? 01:22:44.880 --> 01:22:46.260 Uh, absolutely. 01:22:46.260 --> 01:22:47.180 Always nice. 01:22:48.900 --> 01:22:54.700 Um, closing music, I'm, speaking of butchering last names, Joe Redifer, I guess that's kind 01:22:54.700 --> 01:22:55.360 of how you pronounce it. 01:22:55.420 --> 01:22:55.940 I think that's right. 01:22:55.940 --> 01:23:00.320 Yeah, it's at the Metroid Hemroid Remix from, uh, ocremix.org. 01:23:01.880 --> 01:23:06.560 Yeah, I, I just, I, the song's okay, but I just, I just wanted to say that was the, uh, 01:23:07.360 --> 01:23:11.340 that was the, uh, song tonight, so that's why, that's why it won, it had a snazzy title. 01:23:11.340 --> 01:23:16.000 Um, so, as always, see you next week, Same Hack Time. 01:23:17.000 --> 01:23:18.020 Same Hack Channel. 01:23:41.340 --> 01:24:11.320 See you next week, Same Hack Time. 01:24:11.340 --> 01:24:41.320 Same Hack Time. 01:24:41.340 --> 01:25:11.320 Same Hack Time. 01:25:11.340 --> 01:25:11.960 Same Hack Time. 01:25:11.960 --> 01:25:25.160 Same Hack Time. 01:25:25.160 --> 01:25:55.140 Thank you.