WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:09.840 This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers, to the hackers and the crackers. 00:10.240 --> 00:15.900 I see in binary, I speak source code, step on my toes, I'll post a million jpegs of you 00:15.900 --> 00:16.860 in a fag pose. 00:17.120 --> 00:22.020 In your digital stance, getting firewalled ho, cause I'm riding the net in my six-fold. 00:22.280 --> 00:26.820 I was a dick with my 56, now with my cable I'm able to get that stable. 00:26.820 --> 00:32.840 On the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo. On the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm a hero. 00:33.060 --> 00:38.740 In a flash, I'll school you on burning dreamcast. You need some ISO? Let me through my hard drive rifle. 00:39.080 --> 00:43.900 Our exchange, you could never stifle. In a digital hug, you just caught the love bug. 00:44.220 --> 00:47.920 I bootlegged your CD, I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z. 00:48.260 --> 00:52.520 Your CG, it's all gonna be free, whether we take it by force or we take it nicely. 00:52.520 --> 00:56.660 You feel that rattling in your bones when I tell you we just hacked out Jones? 00:56.980 --> 01:01.100 And NASDAQ leaves you flat on your back, cause I am he who loves to hack and crack. 01:01.480 --> 01:03.860 Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack. 01:04.340 --> 01:06.920 This is dedicated to the hackers and the criminals. 01:07.460 --> 01:11.220 Serial codes, source codes, ISOs, RAMs, Cine... 01:11.220 --> 01:14.820 Hello and welcome to Binary Revolution Radio episode number... 01:15.480 --> 01:16.300 What episode is this? 01:19.280 --> 01:19.720 132. 01:19.960 --> 01:20.360 132. 01:20.360 --> 01:21.240 Did I put it in the show notes? 01:21.240 --> 01:24.020 Oh, there it is. Yeah, there it is. Sorry about that. I'm kind of out of it. 01:24.020 --> 01:28.600 Episode 132, with the air date of January 24th, 2006. 01:28.600 --> 01:29.180 January 24th, 2006, yes. 01:30.220 --> 01:31.420 I'm Strom Carlson. 01:32.100 --> 01:35.840 Jeez, you lose for two weeks and you're just out of it. 01:35.920 --> 01:36.720 I am totally out of it. 01:36.720 --> 01:37.380 I'm a black ratchet. 01:37.800 --> 01:40.760 Yeah, I haven't even touched a computer all day. I've been cleaning my apartment. 01:40.760 --> 01:45.080 But, uh, so yeah, welcome to Binary Revolution Radio. 01:45.200 --> 01:47.380 We're live again for the first time in a couple weeks. 01:47.920 --> 01:54.700 And, uh, our surprise for all you, uh, all you listening live is that we have a new, improved, easier-to-remember call-in number. 01:55.360 --> 02:00.200 The number is now 888-9-BINREV. 02:01.900 --> 02:04.880 That's 888-9-BINREV. 02:04.940 --> 02:05.860 Woo-hoo-hoo-hoo-hoo-hoo! 02:07.140 --> 02:08.760 Custom number mania. 02:08.760 --> 02:08.780 Good stuff. 02:10.760 --> 02:11.200 Yeah. 02:12.700 --> 02:13.540 888-9-BINREV. 02:13.600 --> 02:19.820 So call on in, because we really were, um, we had a, we had a guest and he had to run off. 02:20.120 --> 02:22.600 And he had a good excuse. It was cool. So, whatever. 02:23.140 --> 02:25.700 But, uh, we're just going to be doing email tonight and call-ins. 02:25.820 --> 02:28.680 And if you guys don't call in, the show is going to go off. 02:28.740 --> 02:34.980 Because all these other times we try to do the listener-provided material, 02:34.980 --> 02:39.300 it was more along the lines of, geez, this show sucks, because we just sort of sit there and go. 02:39.700 --> 02:42.440 Um, nobody's calling in. We don't know what to do. 02:43.740 --> 02:47.300 So, basically what we're going to do, if, if you don't call in, if the queue is empty, 02:47.300 --> 02:53.360 by the time we, uh, hit, end the email, the, the, we're going to talk a little bit and, you know, 02:53.360 --> 02:54.340 do our regular spiel. 02:54.340 --> 02:59.140 But, once the show is over and we don't have any call-ins, the show is going to be over. 02:59.720 --> 03:00.140 Mm-hmm. 03:00.240 --> 03:03.960 So, you have nobody to blame but yourself. 03:06.540 --> 03:08.620 So, get those dialing fingers ready. 03:09.340 --> 03:11.380 Dial, dial, dial. 888-9-BINREV. 03:11.380 --> 03:13.980 All my fingers are dialing. All my dialing fingers are ready. 03:14.100 --> 03:16.800 I'm just ready to go and just, you know, hit all ten buttons at once. 03:17.220 --> 03:18.160 Yep. Go, yeah. 03:18.960 --> 03:20.060 On a, on a Western Western phone. 03:20.060 --> 03:21.940 Actually, I can't dial my phone in my office. 03:21.940 --> 03:22.680 Not do anything, yeah. 03:24.340 --> 03:26.860 That'll just make no tone whatsoever if you hit the wall all at once. 03:27.820 --> 03:30.120 Well, no, it makes a tone. It just sounds muted. It goes boop. 03:31.140 --> 03:35.100 Not if you do it correctly. If you do it correctly, then that part of the, that part of the dial mechanism 03:35.100 --> 03:36.260 never actually gets activated. 03:37.200 --> 03:38.860 So, it just does nothing. 03:38.940 --> 03:39.300 Oh, really? 03:39.520 --> 03:39.740 Yeah. 03:40.900 --> 03:43.380 If you press the buttons, it's kind of not quite at the same time. 03:44.060 --> 03:47.260 If you, if you press the buttons, not quite at the same time, then you get, like, a burst of tone. 03:47.320 --> 03:49.240 But if you press them at exactly the same time, nothing. 03:51.940 --> 03:52.480 Oh, really? 03:52.780 --> 03:53.020 Yeah. 03:53.140 --> 03:53.900 Oh, interesting. 03:54.920 --> 03:55.840 I didn't know that. 03:57.420 --> 04:01.120 So, we're just going to toss a number out here again, 888-9-BINREV. 04:01.220 --> 04:01.740 If you're calling. 04:02.020 --> 04:02.180 Yeah. 04:02.360 --> 04:04.620 And the archives are continued to be updated. 04:05.600 --> 04:08.140 So, that was just a gaffe, and we're all set now. 04:08.480 --> 04:08.720 Mm-hmm. 04:09.160 --> 04:09.460 Yes. 04:09.740 --> 04:12.000 That's all it for the housekeeping. We have no housekeeping today. 04:12.280 --> 04:12.520 Yeah. 04:12.740 --> 04:16.240 Real life seems to have interfered with our hacking-ness. 04:16.240 --> 04:22.020 Well, not really. I mean, I've been doing stuff. It's just, you know, whatever. 04:22.520 --> 04:23.180 Let's go to the email. 04:23.520 --> 04:25.340 Okay. Email, it is. 04:25.460 --> 04:28.540 Yeah, the email theme. You know, you know that little thing you have, the button you have to press? 04:28.540 --> 04:29.040 Like this? 04:29.040 --> 04:29.060 Like this? 04:37.060 --> 04:54.440 This is the point where you say, no, no, no, no, no. Like this. Then you press that button where Stank says, take that cock out of your mouth or something. 04:54.440 --> 04:58.080 No, I don't have that set up. 04:58.680 --> 04:59.240 God damn it. 04:59.420 --> 05:00.300 That would have been funny, though. 05:01.180 --> 05:05.940 If you didn't, like, pounce on it right after the song ended, I would have gone, yeah, just like that. 05:06.240 --> 05:07.680 But you ruined it. 05:07.980 --> 05:12.300 Well, I was waiting for you to pounce on it, but nothing. So, oh, well. Next time. 05:12.640 --> 05:13.500 Anyway, our first email. 05:13.820 --> 05:15.100 We must be slightly lagged then. 05:15.300 --> 05:16.360 Yeah, we probably must be. 05:16.620 --> 05:20.820 Our first email comes from Kyle L., and he says, hey, Strauman Black Ratchet. 05:20.820 --> 05:25.680 Recently, I needed some insurance on my car, so I headed over to Progressive.com to get a quote. 05:26.220 --> 05:30.100 After entering my name and address, it gave back a list of cars titled Your Vehicles. 05:30.520 --> 05:33.500 It listed all the vehicles we've had at this address in the last several years. 05:34.020 --> 05:36.840 Anyway, I did some testing and found out the name you enter doesn't matter. 05:37.240 --> 05:40.480 Simply with a mailing address, you can get a list of vehicles that have been registered there. 05:40.960 --> 05:45.580 This information isn't hard to come by if you're willing to pay for it, but this is an interesting little free way of getting it. 05:46.080 --> 05:48.260 Black Ratchet is my hero, Kyle. 05:50.820 --> 05:53.400 I bet he's, like, cringing right now. 05:53.840 --> 05:59.100 Technically, I think the original said, like, Black Ratchet is a noob, or Black Ratchet sucks. 05:59.240 --> 06:03.600 I forgot exactly what he said, but I decided to do a little inline editing there. 06:03.760 --> 06:05.500 Welcome to BinRev, where we get the... 06:05.500 --> 06:07.340 Anyways, I'll just... 06:07.340 --> 06:08.180 Yeah. 06:09.320 --> 06:11.340 We read what we want to read on air, damn it. 06:11.940 --> 06:12.300 Exactly. 06:13.100 --> 06:17.280 But, yeah, Kyle's going to run me over to his Mustang or something. 06:17.280 --> 06:20.940 Well, hey, with Progressive, he can cover it, you know? 06:20.940 --> 06:21.300 That's awesome. 06:22.880 --> 06:25.340 Yeah, he can cover it with Progressive auto insurance. 06:25.500 --> 06:30.160 He can insure his Mustang and kill people and not have to pay an insane premium. 06:30.620 --> 06:30.980 Exactly. 06:31.340 --> 06:31.740 Is that... 06:31.740 --> 06:32.980 No, Geico is the one with the gecko. 06:33.460 --> 06:33.660 Yeah. 06:33.720 --> 06:33.840 I forgot. 06:34.380 --> 06:36.780 I don't trust anyone with really creepy, crazy ads. 06:39.560 --> 06:41.020 Well, Progressive is pretty good, I think. 06:41.240 --> 06:41.960 Yeah, Progressive is good. 06:41.960 --> 06:45.600 They got the president, or the former president, the president who died. 06:45.800 --> 06:46.240 Very sad. 06:46.560 --> 06:47.180 Or is that Allstate? 06:48.140 --> 06:48.400 Who? 06:48.580 --> 06:49.680 I don't know. 06:49.920 --> 06:50.280 It's kind of sad. 06:50.280 --> 06:52.560 They've got Richard Nixon advertising insurance? 06:52.920 --> 06:53.020 What? 06:54.300 --> 06:56.380 No, see, no, you don't watch TV. 06:56.560 --> 06:58.220 You can't comment on this. 06:58.700 --> 07:00.540 Yeah, I'm just guessing that it's Richard Nixon. 07:00.540 --> 07:01.420 But, Kyle, congratulations. 07:03.080 --> 07:04.280 No, it's... 07:04.280 --> 07:05.040 We won't get into it. 07:05.040 --> 07:07.980 For those of you who watch 24, you know what I'm talking about. 07:09.480 --> 07:10.340 Kyle, yeah. 07:10.780 --> 07:11.280 Thank you. 07:11.960 --> 07:16.580 That's actually really kind of creepy, I think, the way that they can actually bring 07:16.580 --> 07:17.340 that up like that. 07:18.620 --> 07:20.460 Actually, I thought... 07:20.460 --> 07:22.700 I originally thought, like, ooh, that's pretty cool. 07:23.360 --> 07:26.120 But the more I thought about it, this is a problem. 07:26.920 --> 07:30.480 Because one of my friends, he was applying for a credit card because he was... 07:30.480 --> 07:34.420 I think it was Dell, or maybe it was Gateway at the point. 07:34.560 --> 07:34.960 I forget. 07:35.760 --> 07:41.940 But he was applying for a credit card online, and one of their security features was, 07:41.940 --> 07:46.340 after you entered, you know, name, social security number, mother's maiden name, flood 07:46.340 --> 07:47.860 type, all that wonderful stuff. 07:48.240 --> 07:50.300 They had, please verify your identity. 07:50.460 --> 07:52.440 One of the questions was... 07:52.440 --> 07:52.820 It was... 07:52.820 --> 07:55.260 I think it was multiple choice, if I'm not mistaken, actually. 07:55.980 --> 07:59.900 Of, like, you had, like, ten choices, and it's like, you know, please select the car that 07:59.900 --> 08:01.820 you bought in such and such a year. 08:02.800 --> 08:05.660 And they have, like, you know, eight choices, and his car was there. 08:05.740 --> 08:09.520 And we both thought, it was like, wow, that's kind of scary that they know that. 08:10.440 --> 08:14.760 But, um, I also thought, you know, well, that really isn't too secure. 08:14.880 --> 08:18.240 I mean, someone could actually go and watch them and find out what car that they bought 08:18.240 --> 08:20.900 and what cars they have, so they stand a good chance of doing it. 08:21.420 --> 08:26.200 But, you know, I kind of dismissed that, because what you have to do is basically sit there, 08:26.240 --> 08:29.600 and you have to do recon on your target if you want to steal their identity and go, 08:29.600 --> 08:36.400 woo, yeah, you're driving a, you know, yellow Yugo, and then that would fill it out. 08:36.640 --> 08:42.100 But, um, thanks to regressive and progressive auto insurance, not only can you get cheap rates, 08:42.180 --> 08:44.700 but once again, you can reach out and own someone. 08:45.560 --> 08:49.220 Just own them over the network and be, yeah, I know what car you drive. 08:51.800 --> 08:54.720 So, anyway, yeah, and by the way, it does work. 08:54.780 --> 08:55.780 I did verify it with something. 08:55.780 --> 08:58.920 Actually, a very interesting thing is that they don't provide insurance in Massachusetts. 08:59.600 --> 09:02.060 So, that was pretty interesting. 09:04.080 --> 09:07.300 Our next email is from DuffUK. 09:08.260 --> 09:09.620 Hi, BlackRatchet and co-host. 09:10.020 --> 09:15.660 Recently, I downloaded and installed a host file to my C Windows System 32 driver's Etsy directory. 09:16.380 --> 09:18.580 It's from a website called HP Hosts. 09:18.720 --> 09:24.060 These guys maintain a massive list of domains, 42,258 at the last count, 09:24.060 --> 09:28.240 that effectively block all the crappy inline ads whilst I'm browsing. 09:28.240 --> 09:33.100 Well, anyway, to cut a long story short, binrev.com has been added to the list. 09:33.700 --> 09:39.140 It's not a problem to edit out your entry, but I thought you may find this entry interesting nevertheless. 09:40.720 --> 09:42.600 Anyway, great show. 09:42.600 --> 09:46.200 Last week about the IRC stuff, very well-prepared and informative. 09:46.820 --> 09:47.820 Keep up the good work, guys. 09:47.880 --> 09:51.360 I'm looking forward to hearing the follow-up real soon about bots and stuff. 09:51.760 --> 09:53.200 Best regards, DuffUK. 09:53.640 --> 09:54.000 P.S. 09:54.000 --> 09:59.060 I know you guys are into payphones, so I've included a nice picture of some public payphones in the arrival lounge 09:59.060 --> 10:03.760 at Tunis Airport, Tunisia, taking on a visit recently. 10:05.080 --> 10:05.480 Duff. 10:05.800 --> 10:07.700 First off, hey, awesome photos. 10:08.660 --> 10:15.380 I'm curious whether or not if you have submitted it to 2600, they do all that stuff. 10:16.440 --> 10:18.360 I think they have on their back inside cover. 10:18.440 --> 10:20.740 It used to be on their back cover, but on their back inside cover now, 10:20.740 --> 10:26.180 they have all the photos from around the world of payphones. 10:28.460 --> 10:29.060 I'm back. 10:29.180 --> 10:30.680 Sorry, I've been screening calls. 10:32.680 --> 10:33.400 Yeah, apparently. 10:33.560 --> 10:35.120 I was like going, man, where the heck is he? 10:35.140 --> 10:36.960 And I was just like, look at it out there, going, whatever. 10:37.440 --> 10:38.000 Where does he go? 10:38.420 --> 10:40.140 But we do have phone calls, so that's always good. 10:40.840 --> 10:45.640 Anyway, so on their back inside cover, they do collect phone pictures, 10:45.800 --> 10:46.820 so you might want to send it off. 10:46.820 --> 10:51.380 And actually, I'll try and post this on my website, just so everyone else can see it. 10:53.740 --> 10:58.020 Next, I don't know what these people were thinking, but sure enough, we are listed. 10:58.260 --> 11:01.940 This was actually, I believe actually it was you, or maybe it was someone else, 11:03.300 --> 11:07.900 messaged Zygman, and he brought it up in one of our secret forums that we have, 11:08.560 --> 11:10.100 about, you know, we were listed. 11:10.440 --> 11:13.900 And I guess these people really don't do QA work, 11:13.900 --> 11:17.820 or else they just sort of, you know, blindly add sites in that someone reports, 11:17.960 --> 11:19.060 and someone must have most reported. 11:19.200 --> 11:23.480 Binrev.com is a super 31337 Hacksource site, 11:24.380 --> 11:25.700 which I guess is a compliment. 11:26.180 --> 11:26.620 I don't know. 11:28.760 --> 11:32.700 But we are classified with the riffraff of, you know, 11:32.820 --> 11:37.120 spyware sites and horrible sites and, you know, all kinds of stuff, you know, 11:37.180 --> 11:41.300 stuff that will make your hair grow in your palms, and I don't know. 11:41.300 --> 11:45.060 But anyway, so we decided, well, you know, 11:45.140 --> 11:48.400 I think we hit this guy's description as a normal site, 11:48.480 --> 11:50.100 so we'll just go and we'll try to get off of it. 11:51.320 --> 11:54.940 And I went to their website, and he had instructions on their website. 11:55.280 --> 11:57.220 I think it's just run by one guy, if I'm not mistaken. 11:57.780 --> 12:00.620 And he says, you know, if you want to get listed, you know, 12:00.640 --> 12:01.920 I need this information from you. 12:03.420 --> 12:04.920 You know, what's your website about? 12:05.040 --> 12:06.020 What does it actually do? 12:06.140 --> 12:07.680 What entries do you want removed? 12:07.680 --> 12:11.080 And, you know, it was very straightforward. 12:11.340 --> 12:12.900 And I thought, okay, okay, I'll go do this. 12:13.440 --> 12:14.500 And I registered. 12:14.980 --> 12:19.020 And that was a week ago, and I have heard nothing since. 12:20.340 --> 12:23.660 So, I mean, no, you know, no, you've been denied, 12:23.760 --> 12:25.860 or no, you've been accepted, or, I mean, 12:25.880 --> 12:27.220 I can't post on this bloody forum. 12:27.400 --> 12:29.660 I actually need to go and email this guy and say, 12:30.160 --> 12:31.560 hey, you know, I tried to do it your way, 12:31.600 --> 12:33.140 but I'm actually directly emailing you now, 12:33.140 --> 12:35.620 so take us off our list, damn it. 12:37.480 --> 12:39.800 So, for the record, HB Hosts sucks. 12:40.840 --> 12:43.100 Don't use them, but we will plug their website, 12:43.260 --> 12:45.420 because it's an interesting project. 12:45.540 --> 12:46.420 They will give the guy that. 12:46.760 --> 12:50.560 And 42,000 sites listed, and I'm sure, you know, 12:50.600 --> 12:53.160 at least a couple of them are listed incorrectly, 12:53.360 --> 12:55.100 and you have to take care of your own website. 12:55.320 --> 13:01.100 But it's tinyurl.com slash charlieoscarfoxeatwhiskey. 13:01.840 --> 13:02.820 Check them out, look at it. 13:02.920 --> 13:04.260 It's a fairly simple idea. 13:05.060 --> 13:06.860 For those of you who don't know, your host files, 13:06.960 --> 13:10.400 basically you can specify an IP address to a certain domain name, 13:10.580 --> 13:12.160 and that overrides all your settings. 13:12.860 --> 13:16.100 And if, for example, you're specifying that to a null website, 13:16.300 --> 13:17.660 you can't get to that website. 13:18.720 --> 13:20.640 Sort of very burning the village to save it, 13:20.640 --> 13:22.380 but it's effective. 13:22.580 --> 13:23.240 I will give them that. 13:25.080 --> 13:27.600 Do we have a phone call this evening? 13:27.660 --> 13:28.520 We do have a phone call. 13:28.980 --> 13:30.640 Let's grab e.l.f. 13:31.860 --> 13:32.680 Just a second. 13:33.180 --> 13:33.580 Elf. 13:34.720 --> 13:36.360 God, Will Ferrell's going to be on the show. 13:38.840 --> 13:40.600 Go fly over to LA and smack him and say, 13:40.660 --> 13:41.340 that's not funny. 13:42.760 --> 13:43.860 Yes, that's not my joke, I know. 13:46.300 --> 13:49.380 And this is why we enjoyed the call screener, 13:49.380 --> 13:51.080 because we could just instantly bring them in 13:51.080 --> 13:54.020 and not have to worry about calling them and talking to them, 13:54.100 --> 13:55.480 and then I can just sit here 13:55.480 --> 13:58.600 and not have to babble on incessantly about nothing. 13:58.600 --> 14:00.640 So do we have Elf? 14:00.760 --> 14:01.380 We have Elf. 14:01.420 --> 14:02.520 I believe Elf's bridged in. 14:02.580 --> 14:03.120 Say hello, Elf. 14:03.120 --> 14:03.320 Yeah. 14:04.320 --> 14:06.940 Oh, I just was going to let you guys talk. 14:07.060 --> 14:07.980 I hope I don't have an echo. 14:08.140 --> 14:11.580 I'm going through a landline that's hooked up to a voice system, 14:11.700 --> 14:13.400 so there might be some kind of issue there. 14:13.600 --> 14:14.460 You sound good to me. 14:15.120 --> 14:15.540 No echo. 14:15.820 --> 14:16.120 Okay. 14:16.920 --> 14:18.740 You sound kind of grainy, 14:18.840 --> 14:19.800 but other than that, you sound good. 14:20.860 --> 14:22.800 Well, it's going through GSM on my end. 14:23.080 --> 14:23.520 Ew! 14:24.480 --> 14:27.040 So, yeah, I know we all hate GSM, 14:27.280 --> 14:30.660 but, you know, 512K up, what can you do, really? 14:31.280 --> 14:32.920 Well, you've got the bandwidth for, 14:33.120 --> 14:34.220 I've got 608 up, 14:34.240 --> 14:38.720 and I can do, like, seven calls with MULA at the same time. 14:38.720 --> 14:44.240 Well, the worst thing about this system is it goes in and it goes out, 14:44.460 --> 14:47.640 so every call really takes twice the amount of bandwidth, 14:47.860 --> 14:49.500 you know, at least as it's usually set up, 14:49.540 --> 14:51.640 because I have my apartment here within EECSI, 14:52.220 --> 14:54.380 and I'm using a software phone right now, actually, 14:54.500 --> 14:58.040 and it goes to Irvine where I answer servers, 14:58.200 --> 15:00.800 and then it goes out either over VoIPjet or, you know, 15:00.820 --> 15:01.680 a number of other routings. 15:02.800 --> 15:04.600 Well, I mean, what will happen, actually, 15:04.600 --> 15:08.380 is if, with EECS2, if you've got, you know, 15:08.720 --> 15:10.940 if you've got something in the connection that doesn't need to be there, 15:11.020 --> 15:12.560 EECS2 is smart enough to where it'll say, 15:12.700 --> 15:15.740 okay, you and you talk to each other directly, 15:15.900 --> 15:18.000 and then the redundant connection will drop out. 15:18.340 --> 15:18.780 Oh, okay. 15:19.240 --> 15:21.480 So it hands it off, kind of like people... 15:21.480 --> 15:24.600 And it can actually SIP does that as well, but it... 15:27.240 --> 15:28.220 So, anyway... 15:28.220 --> 15:30.440 And this is why we don't use GSM, 15:30.540 --> 15:31.520 because the lag is horrible. 15:31.960 --> 15:32.160 Yeah. 15:32.880 --> 15:33.080 Oh. 15:33.080 --> 15:36.520 So, anyway, you had an interesting question about... 15:36.520 --> 15:38.700 We're not trying to say anything, by the way they're else. 15:40.200 --> 15:40.580 Okay. 15:41.160 --> 15:44.200 So you had a question about, what was it, 15:45.040 --> 15:45.960 step switches or something? 15:47.160 --> 15:49.700 Step switches interconnected with VoIP. 15:49.840 --> 15:52.840 I think people are making something called the CNET, 15:52.900 --> 15:54.000 which is the collector's net, 15:54.000 --> 15:57.660 and they're hooking a bunch of step switches together with asterisk boxes. 16:00.260 --> 16:02.660 Let me guess, you read about this in Network World today. 16:03.080 --> 16:05.120 I did. 16:05.940 --> 16:09.020 No, I heard this a while ago. 16:10.020 --> 16:12.260 I pointed that out maybe a week ago, 16:12.380 --> 16:14.200 and I thought it would be an interesting topic for today. 16:14.260 --> 16:15.060 Was it in Network World? 16:17.200 --> 16:18.400 Yeah, it was actually... 16:18.400 --> 16:19.160 I just... 16:19.160 --> 16:22.320 I've paid attention to the mailing list that they're on. 16:22.380 --> 16:23.760 I'm not actually really active in it, 16:23.760 --> 16:25.220 but I do read the mail as it were. 16:25.300 --> 16:26.280 I pay attention to their archives. 16:26.700 --> 16:29.180 And I was reading it today because I was completely bored at work. 16:29.800 --> 16:32.020 And they were just mentioned in Network World, 16:32.140 --> 16:35.300 and I think I might be able to fish a URL out there for you. 16:36.440 --> 16:38.980 Strom, do you want me to talk about this, or shall I? 16:39.080 --> 16:41.520 Yeah, you talk about it because you know more about it than I do, 16:41.540 --> 16:42.480 and I'll go screen the next... 16:42.480 --> 16:44.360 Actually, no, I can't screen the call while he's on. 16:44.360 --> 16:47.320 You go ahead and talk about it. 16:47.320 --> 16:48.680 Okay, well, what CollectorsNet is, 16:48.700 --> 16:52.240 is basically it's a bunch of telephone collectors 16:52.240 --> 16:54.140 who own switching equipment. 16:54.980 --> 16:57.080 And, you know, switching equipment meaning actual telephone switches, 16:57.180 --> 16:58.580 whether it be step-by-step switches, 16:58.940 --> 17:03.060 or I think someone actually owns a crossbar switch for some reason. 17:03.200 --> 17:05.240 And what all these are, for those of you who don't know 17:05.240 --> 17:08.440 and haven't paid attention over all those traumatized babblings, 17:08.540 --> 17:11.960 are these are old electrical mechanical phone switches 17:11.960 --> 17:16.200 spec that were used from basically, you know, 17:16.260 --> 17:18.740 basically up until about the 1980s in most areas. 17:19.280 --> 17:21.360 And they're not electronically controlled. 17:21.480 --> 17:22.040 They're not digital. 17:22.420 --> 17:25.180 They're all, you know, giant moving pieces of equipment. 17:26.420 --> 17:30.740 And, you know, telephone collectors just seem to like collecting telephones, 17:30.740 --> 17:32.360 and one of the parts that they actually do 17:32.360 --> 17:36.040 is they connect their telephones up to actual telephone switches. 17:37.100 --> 17:40.180 And actually what this group was is they were thinking, 17:40.180 --> 17:42.180 well, geez, we have all these telephone switches, 17:42.340 --> 17:43.940 but technically they're not connected to anything, 17:44.040 --> 17:46.340 or maybe they're connected out to a single landline someplace. 17:47.480 --> 17:50.820 What happens, why don't we try and connect them together via VoIP? 17:51.660 --> 17:55.160 And this group, actually, let me go drop their website. 17:55.300 --> 17:59.520 I believe it's www.ckts.info. 17:59.520 --> 18:05.800 And basically this group got together and they all started using Asterisk, 18:06.020 --> 18:11.320 and all of these people started connecting up their switches together. 18:11.440 --> 18:13.680 And I believe on the network article they said they have, like, you know, 18:14.020 --> 18:17.280 12 active switches all internet connected together. 18:18.640 --> 18:20.060 And, you know, they all basically, 18:20.360 --> 18:22.600 I think they all have their own exchange hooked into their switch. 18:22.680 --> 18:25.960 Like, you know, for example, it would be 3-1-1-5-5-5 would be one switch, 18:25.960 --> 18:29.400 while 3-1-1-5-5-6 would be another switch, you know, 18:29.480 --> 18:32.640 possibly somewhere in another completely different geographical area. 18:33.620 --> 18:37.580 And they've all interconnected them, and apparently it works. 18:38.000 --> 18:40.400 They actually have a phone number that I've used occasionally, 18:40.600 --> 18:43.420 and you can dial it up from the regular phone network. 18:43.520 --> 18:44.380 You can get a dial tone, 18:44.460 --> 18:49.660 and then you can actually dial out all of these numbers that were accessed in their network. 18:49.660 --> 18:52.580 And it's very interesting. 18:52.780 --> 18:57.300 If you liked old telephone equipment, go ahead. 18:57.500 --> 18:58.680 Sorry, it must be that delay again. 18:58.860 --> 19:01.440 I was just going to say, yeah, it's kind of a neat thing. 19:01.520 --> 19:06.120 I remember I was listening to the Evan Doorbell recordings quite some time ago, 19:06.220 --> 19:13.660 and he discouraged people from simulating the old network using digital, you know, digital methods. 19:13.980 --> 19:16.720 And I suppose, of course, that doesn't directly apply to this. 19:16.720 --> 19:21.280 But, you know, I was just kind of wondering, I know Strom has been in contact with him. 19:21.340 --> 19:23.660 What would be his take on this whole thing? 19:23.780 --> 19:25.320 I mean, I think it's really neat. 19:25.480 --> 19:27.640 You know, they get to use the old technology. 19:28.340 --> 19:32.040 And, you know, there's really no better way to interconnect it at the time. 19:32.280 --> 19:34.740 They're not going to, you know, lease lines to each other and all that. 19:35.860 --> 19:40.840 Well, I mean, there is a huge difference between having a real step switch on the end of a digital connection 19:40.840 --> 19:43.880 versus having recordings of a step switch on a server somewhere. 19:43.880 --> 19:48.420 I mean, with recordings, you lose all the cool things and make the real switch special, 19:48.560 --> 19:51.940 whereas with a real switch, if you've got, you know, something on the end of a connection, 19:52.100 --> 19:56.400 although it's not anywhere near as high-quality audio as you'd get from playing with it directly, 19:56.660 --> 19:58.880 you still are moving selectors and so on. 20:00.360 --> 20:01.240 Okay, yeah. 20:01.740 --> 20:05.620 And should I move on to my second topic of the day? 20:06.520 --> 20:07.600 Yeah, sure, go ahead. 20:07.820 --> 20:08.900 Let me just hold on. 20:08.900 --> 20:16.280 And I believe their website is ckts.info, and the Network World article is tinyurl.com 20:16.280 --> 20:19.120 slash 9YankeeKilowattVictorUniform. 20:20.100 --> 20:20.940 And now you can go. 20:22.340 --> 20:22.740 Okay. 20:23.040 --> 20:24.860 Well, this is a more personal thing. 20:26.140 --> 20:30.300 A while ago, I got an ISDN line installed in my house just for the two phone lines, 20:30.420 --> 20:31.860 and you don't have to pay for caller ID. 20:31.860 --> 20:39.640 And, of course, this was through my parents, the house in Irvine, California, that is. 20:40.920 --> 20:45.900 And, you know, my parents are not very knowledgeable about telecom in general, though, 20:46.020 --> 20:49.700 and I don't profess to be, but, you know, I know a bit more than average. 20:50.420 --> 20:54.740 And, of course, the whole selection of the long-distance carrier thing came up, 20:54.840 --> 20:57.240 and somehow they got stuck with Sprint. 20:57.240 --> 21:03.280 And recently we got a $120 phone bill, and Sprint was charging us $0.40 a minute 21:03.280 --> 21:06.400 for in-stayed calls during the daytime. 21:07.340 --> 21:11.380 And I called another friend of mine, and he suggested that this was kind of an unusual thing. 21:12.240 --> 21:14.360 And I was just wondering, what's your opinion of Sprint? 21:14.440 --> 21:18.260 We've had some experience with them in the past with cell phones and $500 a month bills. 21:18.600 --> 21:24.320 But, you know, in your experience, does Sprint tend to rip people off more than other telephone companies do? 21:24.320 --> 21:27.500 Hmm. I'm not sure about that. 21:27.600 --> 21:29.860 I mean, I know you've used Sprint for more than a few years. 21:31.000 --> 21:34.000 Well, I mean, I really have never used Sprint long-distance, per se. 21:34.120 --> 21:36.880 I had Sprint local service in Vegas, but they were busy divesting that division. 21:37.960 --> 21:42.480 My question for you is, did they intentionally sign up for Sprint, 21:42.540 --> 21:44.320 or did they just find themselves with Sprint one day? 21:45.720 --> 21:50.320 I think, oddly enough, when we were getting the new line, we told them we wanted MCI, 21:51.060 --> 21:52.840 but that was what we had before. 21:53.840 --> 21:56.720 And ever since we got the first ISDN bill, it was just Sprint. 21:57.280 --> 22:02.960 So I also called the Sprint operator, and she quoted 30 cents a minute for in-state calls. 22:03.040 --> 22:04.000 Well, that's the thing. 22:04.140 --> 22:07.840 The thing is, if the telephone company sets you up incorrectly 22:07.840 --> 22:13.380 and sets your pick to a different long-distance carrier for whom you don't have an account set up with, 22:13.660 --> 22:16.740 they're going to charge you the casual access rates for all direct dial calls. 22:16.740 --> 22:19.720 If you call up the long-distance company and set up an account with them, 22:19.800 --> 22:21.120 then obviously they'll give you a better deal. 22:21.240 --> 22:25.880 But, I mean, you can't just say Sprint, for example, 22:26.620 --> 22:28.900 and expect that you're going to have an account with Sprint. 22:28.980 --> 22:31.040 You have to call the inter-exchange carrier and say, 22:31.140 --> 22:32.900 hi, I want to set up an account with you guys. 22:34.720 --> 22:39.620 Okay, so that explains it, although it seems kind of odd in this day and age 22:39.620 --> 22:44.440 where long distance is less than a penny that they would charge you 30 cents a minute. 22:44.440 --> 22:48.120 Any long-distance carrier will do that if you use their network casually. 22:48.280 --> 22:49.780 MCI will charge you insane rates. 22:49.860 --> 22:51.200 Sprint will charge you insane rates. 22:51.600 --> 22:53.200 AT&T will charge you insane rates. 22:53.280 --> 22:56.360 Global Crossing will as well, and whoever else, you know. 22:57.640 --> 22:58.080 Okay. 22:58.540 --> 23:01.860 Yeah, thankfully, last month I started routing out VoIP jets, 23:02.120 --> 23:06.060 and, you know, I don't think I remember going back aside from failover. 23:06.060 --> 23:11.700 But, you know, that was just – and a related issue, 23:11.780 --> 23:13.000 if you don't have anything to talk about, 23:13.320 --> 23:16.600 do you think the public knows enough about telecom in general? 23:16.700 --> 23:19.600 Do you think there are ways that they could be better educated about these kind of things 23:19.600 --> 23:22.480 so that they don't run into, you know, $120 a month bills? 23:22.700 --> 23:25.840 Or is this kind of intentional on the part of the telephone companies 23:25.840 --> 23:30.740 to try and, you know, kind of not make this information too prominent 23:30.740 --> 23:33.200 so that people will run into these kind of charges? 23:33.200 --> 23:36.440 Well, I mean, they encourage you to sign up. 23:36.540 --> 23:39.360 I mean, if they didn't want you to sign up for long-distance plans, 23:39.420 --> 23:40.580 they wouldn't advertise them. 23:42.560 --> 23:46.400 You know, they wouldn't advertise $0.05 a minute, $0.07 a minute, you know. 23:48.140 --> 23:51.540 Casual access has always been an expensive tariff service. 23:51.800 --> 23:57.340 It's always been that way because, you know, for what they have to go through in order to bill you, 23:57.500 --> 23:59.720 it's far more complicated than what has to be done 23:59.720 --> 24:01.980 if you already have an account established with them. 24:01.980 --> 24:05.560 So the additional overhead in billing you for casual access. 24:05.560 --> 24:07.160 Well, actually, when I got Verizon, 24:07.820 --> 24:13.700 when I got Verizon, it was a, basically, I set up my line with Verizon 24:13.700 --> 24:16.500 and, you know, they said, do you want a long-distance provider? 24:16.840 --> 24:19.660 And I told them, no, I don't plan on making long-distance phone calls. 24:19.900 --> 24:21.920 And I just sort of left off with you guys. 24:21.920 --> 24:29.080 But, so, and I got a letter in the mail from Verizon saying, you know, okay, 24:29.200 --> 24:31.380 your phone line's set up, here's your phone number. 24:32.820 --> 24:35.040 You know, they gave me all the, you know, here's your service enabled. 24:35.240 --> 24:38.480 And part of the spring was, you do not have a long-distance service. 24:39.740 --> 24:43.660 If, you know, you need to set one up if you want to call long-distance or else, 24:43.780 --> 24:45.120 I forget the exact quote. 24:45.120 --> 24:48.420 But I think I don't have it in front of me, so it is, basically, 24:48.640 --> 24:52.980 it's along the lines of, you know, so my God, set up a long-distance provider. 24:53.160 --> 24:55.440 It'll be more expensive if you don't, if you call long-distance. 24:56.160 --> 24:59.440 And if you don't set it up in 30 days, we may charge you $5 to set one up. 25:00.360 --> 25:02.520 And that was the two things that the little paragraph got across. 25:02.680 --> 25:07.720 But, I mean, yeah, they're at least saying, you know, set one up, bloody goddammit. 25:07.720 --> 25:08.620 But, you know, come on. 25:09.060 --> 25:15.080 And I know for a fact that my SBC bill says your long-distance carrier is, 25:15.220 --> 25:17.180 you are, you're pre-subscribed to this, 25:17.560 --> 25:21.620 and your calls automatically route to this carrier for intralata 25:21.620 --> 25:23.240 and this other carrier for intralata. 25:23.820 --> 25:27.560 And, I mean, they do that so that you don't accidentally, you know, 25:28.040 --> 25:30.140 dial all your calls direct through some other carrier. 25:30.140 --> 25:32.220 That might change your code through them. 25:32.700 --> 25:36.940 So, really, the only thing that can truly damage you in the long run is your own ignorance. 25:37.720 --> 25:40.260 Yeah, I suppose that's true. 25:40.840 --> 25:45.160 I was just, you know, of course, when you have a system that's so complex 25:45.160 --> 25:48.140 that you have to do research on it to know exactly what you're getting, 25:48.740 --> 25:52.120 my question was just do you think the public could be better educated on it, 25:52.180 --> 25:56.460 perhaps through whatever means or by the telephone company themselves, you know, proactively? 25:58.040 --> 26:02.160 People are going to be ignorant on anything if you don't educate them. 26:02.440 --> 26:02.720 Yes. 26:02.880 --> 26:07.320 And even if you do make the stuff available, I mean, people are going to be ignorant of it regardless. 26:08.640 --> 26:09.960 You can send, I mean, like... 26:09.960 --> 26:10.320 That's true. 26:10.520 --> 26:14.520 Yeah, you can send them literature that says, 26:14.980 --> 26:19.060 hey, do this, hey, do that, hey, read this, and they'll throw it out and they won't read it. 26:19.760 --> 26:21.920 Or they'll read it and they won't know what it's about. 26:22.560 --> 26:24.340 So, I mean... 26:24.340 --> 26:28.220 Or they'll trade it between themselves from people in California and people in Massachusetts. 26:28.220 --> 26:29.380 Exactly. 26:32.260 --> 26:36.720 Okay, well, yeah, I guess that's really all I had for today. 26:37.840 --> 26:39.080 Of course, I can... 26:39.080 --> 26:46.080 If you guys have networking subjects in the future, basically my job is to be a network engineer. 26:46.080 --> 26:54.440 So, if you need someone that can talk about PGP or, you know, routing in general or firewalls or whatever, you know, 26:54.740 --> 26:58.080 I can come on and talk about that stuff. 26:58.480 --> 26:59.040 All right, cool. 26:59.120 --> 27:02.980 Of course, you know, offhand, it's hard for me to think of, you know, subject to just feel about. 27:03.440 --> 27:07.700 Hey, send us a proposal and we'll probably very seriously consider it. 27:08.780 --> 27:10.120 And that goes for all you listeners. 27:10.120 --> 27:16.060 Email either radiobinrov.com or email one of us, because I actually think I might have questions for you regardless. 27:16.300 --> 27:16.580 Ha-ha! 27:18.380 --> 27:24.040 Okay, well, thanks for having me on the show, and I hope you guys have some more entertaining material after I'm done. 27:24.380 --> 27:24.780 You should. 27:24.800 --> 27:26.460 Seems like you have a few people queued up, so I guess... 27:26.460 --> 27:27.760 Hey, you gave good questions. 27:27.880 --> 27:28.360 Thank you so much. 27:28.380 --> 27:30.080 Are you going to kick me off with style? 27:32.080 --> 27:38.160 Well, we appreciate you calling in, and we encourage you to call back again with more questions if you have them. 27:39.700 --> 27:40.060 Okay. 27:40.240 --> 27:40.620 All right. 27:40.720 --> 27:40.900 Thanks. 27:41.040 --> 27:41.800 Thanks for calling, man. 27:41.860 --> 27:42.120 Bye-bye. 27:43.940 --> 27:44.440 Thanks, John. 27:44.480 --> 27:44.720 Bye-bye. 27:46.140 --> 27:46.420 All right. 27:46.420 --> 27:48.240 Do we have another phone call, or shall I read another email first? 27:48.740 --> 27:49.740 Let's read another email. 27:49.840 --> 27:50.820 Let's read another email, and you can go. 27:50.820 --> 27:53.260 While you're answering it, yeah, I'll just bring the call. 27:54.660 --> 27:55.240 Which one were we on? 27:55.240 --> 27:55.480 All right. 27:55.480 --> 27:56.060 Sounds good to me. 27:56.420 --> 27:57.660 The one after... 27:57.660 --> 27:59.420 We have number three. 27:59.920 --> 28:00.260 That's right. 28:00.480 --> 28:00.620 Yeah. 28:01.540 --> 28:03.040 Hey, Black Ratchet and Stromcrawl. 28:03.040 --> 28:04.000 The one after HP Host. 28:04.120 --> 28:04.280 Yeah. 28:04.620 --> 28:07.700 Just got a chance to download and listen to episodes 129 and 130. 28:07.700 --> 28:13.460 In 129, you mentioned using Winamp to stream to Shoutcast Icecast from Windows, and Ices to do the same on Linux. 28:13.940 --> 28:17.220 Another app for streaming audio I find somewhat useful on Linux is Muse. 28:17.220 --> 28:25.020 And that's tinyurl.com slash CharlieQuebec9EchoUniform. 28:25.720 --> 28:32.460 It has GTK slash curses slash command line interfaces for controlling and can talk to Icecast, Shoutcast, Darwin, etc. 28:33.340 --> 28:37.500 It has support for playing MP3, WAVE, AUG files internally as well as recording from line in. 28:37.840 --> 28:42.620 I haven't had experience with the GTK interface, but the curses interface gives me problems, but the CLI is great. 28:42.620 --> 28:49.220 In episode 130, you mentioned the ARRL handbook and a couple of other books for studying for a hand-licensed test. 28:49.780 --> 28:53.340 I'd also recommend QRZ.com. 28:55.100 --> 28:56.660 Okay, QRZ.com. 28:57.020 --> 29:01.720 They have practiced tests online with the entire question pool as well as other useful resources. 29:02.320 --> 29:05.560 I use that site a lot when practicing for my tech license test. 29:05.560 --> 29:10.680 Finally, several episodes ago, you mentioned that someone had built a rotary cell phone in passing. 29:11.160 --> 29:12.340 Here's the link to that project. 29:12.500 --> 29:15.560 Tinyurl.com slash... 29:15.560 --> 29:19.340 Six, Oscar, Mike Echo, November. 29:19.920 --> 29:21.000 Definitely a cool project. 29:21.580 --> 29:22.500 Sorry for the long email. 29:22.640 --> 29:23.920 Keep up the good work, Alex. 29:26.180 --> 29:27.660 I'm going to jump right on. 29:27.660 --> 29:28.600 You or I are lagged. 29:28.780 --> 29:29.720 Yeah, I forget what it is. 29:30.000 --> 29:31.880 Probably you, because I'm sitting right here on the clock. 29:31.880 --> 29:32.820 I can talk about QRZ. 29:32.900 --> 29:34.020 Go ahead and take the next phone call. 29:34.020 --> 29:36.680 Okay, and I can talk about Muse. 29:36.760 --> 29:36.940 All right. 29:39.460 --> 29:40.720 Oh, you've used Muse. 29:40.820 --> 29:42.460 Okay, that's good, because I actually haven't used it. 29:42.840 --> 29:46.360 All right, so, Alex, thanks for those links. 29:46.660 --> 29:49.940 I could have sworn that we actually plugged the... 29:49.940 --> 29:54.520 Gave the link out for the tiny, whatever it is, the rotary cell phone. 29:55.700 --> 29:59.820 But I guess not, so, you know, tinyurl.com slash six omen. 30:00.220 --> 30:01.040 I just noticed that. 30:01.120 --> 30:01.900 I actually spelled something. 30:02.120 --> 30:02.540 How cool. 30:04.020 --> 30:06.280 So, QRZ is a nice website. 30:06.420 --> 30:10.100 For those of you curious, QRZ is actually something called a Q code. 30:11.080 --> 30:15.860 Basically, back in the days of Morse code, they used to have all these little short Q codes. 30:16.500 --> 30:23.880 And it was basically texting before texting was cool, because you would basically have these little three-letter codes, 30:23.960 --> 30:26.660 like, you know, Q, letter, letter, and they'd all mean something different. 30:26.660 --> 30:31.000 And basically, QRZ would mean, who's calling me? 30:31.060 --> 30:31.880 Is someone calling me? 30:33.220 --> 30:40.260 So, and what QRZ initially started out as is basically a radio lookup site for the different call signs. 30:40.340 --> 30:47.120 Like, you'd enter someone's call sign, and you'd get back an address of whether you could contact that person or send them something called a QSL. 30:47.120 --> 30:54.240 And QSL is another Q code, and it basically stands for I heard you, or I hear you, or do you hear me? 30:54.240 --> 30:59.320 And another term for, and basically another use for that is a QSL card. 30:59.420 --> 31:03.520 And what a QSL card basically means is a little card that you can trade, a little postcard saying, you know, 31:03.580 --> 31:06.800 I contacted you on such and such a date at such and such a time. 31:06.800 --> 31:14.600 And basically, you trade them, and, you know, if I contact someone in Botswana, I send them a QSL card, and then they send me a QSL card. 31:14.700 --> 31:22.420 And I have, they have something from, you know, Boston, Massachusetts, and I have something from, you know, Haki, Botswana. 31:23.300 --> 31:27.760 And basically what ham radio guys do is they, you know, collect them, and they put them on their walls. 31:27.820 --> 31:32.600 And you can look at them, and, you know, I've, my university radio club had stuff from all over. 31:32.600 --> 31:35.380 Like, you know, stuff back from, like, you know, USSR. 31:35.380 --> 31:37.720 It was amazing, some of the stuff that they had. 31:38.680 --> 31:42.380 Like, you know, and it's just basically, it's a little thing that's like, yeah, I talked there, yeah. 31:42.440 --> 31:46.140 And you can hike your belt up and say, you know, like, you know, your phallus is larger than your competitors. 31:48.600 --> 31:49.380 Strom, are you back? 31:50.900 --> 31:51.320 Guess not. 31:52.780 --> 31:54.200 Muse is a nice program. 31:54.400 --> 31:57.940 I've never actually used it, but apparently Strom has, so we'll have to talk about it a little bit more. 31:58.860 --> 32:01.440 I did some quick Googling, and it's got some nice reviews. 32:01.440 --> 32:08.500 And they didn't, and sadly, they didn't have screenshots, but I guess that's kind of difficult if you're just, you know, making a curses client. 32:08.600 --> 32:14.180 But I guess, you know, for the GTK client, you can make some pretty pictures. 32:16.100 --> 32:18.100 Yeah, so QRZ, nice website. 32:18.220 --> 32:18.940 They've really expanded. 32:19.040 --> 32:20.300 They have, like, forums now. 32:20.540 --> 32:25.840 And if I'm not mistaken, I believe they have web hosting, which you can do if you're a ham radio guy. 32:26.220 --> 32:27.580 And some people are using that. 32:27.740 --> 32:29.140 That could be a different website, though. 32:31.260 --> 32:32.320 And they do have tests. 32:32.360 --> 32:33.300 That's something I forgot to mention. 32:33.580 --> 32:35.760 There's a lot of online testing that you can do. 32:36.560 --> 32:37.360 QRZ has one. 32:37.360 --> 32:39.680 I believe the ARRL has one as well. 32:40.520 --> 32:41.940 And I think Strom is back. 32:42.560 --> 32:43.860 I am certainly back, yes. 32:44.700 --> 32:45.120 Or not. 32:46.060 --> 32:46.400 Hello? 32:46.720 --> 32:47.600 Oh, I guess I'm lagged. 32:48.060 --> 32:49.420 Yeah, you are majorly lagged. 32:49.840 --> 32:50.980 Yeah, why don't I talk about Muse? 32:51.080 --> 32:52.740 And will you hang up and call back in? 32:52.740 --> 32:56.220 Yes, I think I will do that. 32:56.420 --> 32:56.660 Okay. 32:56.660 --> 32:57.200 I'll talk about Muse. 32:57.460 --> 32:57.860 Okay. 32:58.780 --> 33:06.500 So anyway, when I was playing around with streaming BinRev Radio Live, I actually considered using Muse because it has a transcoding ability. 33:07.140 --> 33:11.900 And it has the ability to – I was looking at it basically for two things. 33:12.000 --> 33:13.340 First off, transcoding ability. 33:13.840 --> 33:21.220 And second, the fact that I could play high-quality music and talk into a microphone to stream the audio live. 33:21.880 --> 33:23.460 Oh, that's what you were looking at it for. 33:23.680 --> 33:25.180 Yeah, that's what I was looking at it for. 33:25.340 --> 33:29.880 But the problems I encountered with it were that really I just couldn't get it to work. 33:32.280 --> 33:33.460 Apparently, that's a requirement. 33:33.600 --> 33:34.800 You must have really high standards. 33:35.080 --> 33:35.320 Yeah. 33:36.340 --> 33:39.780 The GTK interface just did not work at all. 33:40.020 --> 33:43.080 It really – like it would work every now and again. 33:43.520 --> 33:44.480 I should give it some credit. 33:44.480 --> 33:46.680 But I couldn't get it to work reliably well. 33:48.220 --> 33:51.500 And, you know, it just – it wouldn't have worked out. 33:52.480 --> 33:54.140 So that's why we do it this way. 33:54.440 --> 33:55.180 Yes, yes. 33:56.040 --> 34:02.320 Because it would actually really be cool to be able to put the higher-quality audio directly into the stream instead of having to go and mix it in later. 34:03.060 --> 34:05.660 But I guess not. 34:06.420 --> 34:09.740 I might try it again, and it might work this time. 34:09.740 --> 34:12.480 But so far, I haven't gotten it to work. 34:13.580 --> 34:15.240 Only time will tell. 34:15.560 --> 34:15.820 Yes. 34:17.420 --> 34:18.940 So who do we have for caller? 34:19.520 --> 34:28.680 I believe we have Iron Geek as a caller, and he wants to chat about something – I forget exactly what he wants to chat about. 34:28.740 --> 34:30.740 Something involving conventions. 34:31.720 --> 34:33.260 Let me bring him on here. 34:33.260 --> 34:35.920 Well, he can go bring it on here and talk about it. 34:36.000 --> 34:42.840 Maybe – I believe he was actually talking in a Pound of a Omicron on Freenode about – 34:42.840 --> 34:43.400 I don't know. 34:43.440 --> 34:49.320 Someone was talking about how there were hot chicks at cons, and these are the important things you need to remember for computer cons. 34:50.120 --> 34:51.100 Actually, oh, yeah, that's what it was. 34:51.180 --> 34:55.940 They were showing a picture on Iron Geek's website about the hot chick sores, LOL. 34:57.880 --> 34:58.400 All right. 34:58.420 --> 34:59.780 I think we have Iron Geek on now. 34:59.820 --> 35:00.020 Hello. 35:00.960 --> 35:01.400 I'm on. 35:01.400 --> 35:05.880 I was just going to mention a live CD that was recently released. 35:06.540 --> 35:06.800 Oh, yeah. 35:06.860 --> 35:07.220 That's right. 35:07.280 --> 35:07.600 That's right. 35:07.880 --> 35:10.280 How did you get conventions out of a live CD? 35:10.920 --> 35:11.360 Well, no, no. 35:11.480 --> 35:12.260 He had – okay, that's right. 35:12.280 --> 35:12.940 He had two things. 35:13.040 --> 35:13.820 One is a live CD. 35:13.960 --> 35:14.620 One is a convention. 35:14.860 --> 35:16.380 And I just forgot to note that. 35:17.040 --> 35:17.400 Holy cow. 35:17.400 --> 35:21.700 I took some pictures at – I took some pictures at Sweet Nick 9 of some very pretty women. 35:22.040 --> 35:25.760 But you've got to keep in mind, I only took pictures of the pretty women by and large. 35:25.760 --> 35:30.580 So it's not exactly representative of what you normally see at the convention. 35:30.580 --> 35:33.460 That being said, there were some lovely ladies there. 35:33.600 --> 35:33.740 Yeah. 35:33.800 --> 35:36.080 So you've avoided violating your no fat chicks rule? 35:37.940 --> 35:39.560 I did violate a time or two. 35:40.160 --> 35:40.360 Ah. 35:42.480 --> 35:44.740 So it's good to have some meat on them bones. 35:45.060 --> 35:45.620 Yes, it is. 35:45.960 --> 35:47.060 It depends on how much meat – 35:47.060 --> 35:48.400 I hope my fiancé isn't listening. 35:49.200 --> 35:53.120 There's a fine line between the, you know, the too much meat and too little meat. 35:53.380 --> 35:55.440 But actually, no, there's not really a fine line. 35:55.500 --> 35:58.140 There's a large area where it could go over. 36:00.900 --> 36:02.580 Well, we'll take your word for it. 36:02.660 --> 36:03.960 So our live CD. 36:04.140 --> 36:05.900 Let's go get actually back somewhat on topic. 36:06.100 --> 36:06.760 I haven't talked about. 36:06.920 --> 36:07.300 Okay. 36:07.300 --> 36:13.440 The live CD in question was recently released at ShmooCon. 36:14.160 --> 36:16.560 Dr. Chaos and his team of people developed it. 36:16.660 --> 36:23.400 Apparently, he was doing a lecture at InnerZone, I believe it was 4, where he talked about how 36:23.400 --> 36:28.280 to create an OS that left very little traces as far as ingoing and outgoing. 36:28.500 --> 36:33.880 Basically, anybody who tried to contact the system running this OS would receive no information 36:33.880 --> 36:39.220 back about it, and all communications outbound would be encrypted and done in such a way 36:39.220 --> 36:40.940 that it would be hard to trace back to it. 36:41.600 --> 36:48.640 They came out with a CD based on OpenBSD 3.8 that allows a lot of this. 36:48.640 --> 36:54.900 What they've done is they've built everything into this live CD, Tor, Trivoxy, and so forth. 36:55.740 --> 36:57.480 And everybody knows what Tor is, basically, right? 36:57.840 --> 36:57.980 Yeah. 36:58.140 --> 36:58.720 I would hope so. 36:58.800 --> 37:01.360 If not, you should listen to episode 120-something. 37:01.760 --> 37:02.120 Yeah. 37:02.360 --> 37:08.620 Oh, and by the way, the name of this live CD distribution is Anonymous, A-N-O-N-Y-M-O-S. 37:09.820 --> 37:10.880 Thank you for saying that. 37:13.480 --> 37:16.800 And they use all this, and they use Tor, and they encrypt everything, and they route it 37:16.800 --> 37:19.520 through the network, and it makes it incredibly hard to trace back. 37:19.600 --> 37:25.000 And they also have very stringent firewall rules that keep that particular box running 37:25.000 --> 37:27.140 the CD from easily being able to be detected. 37:27.640 --> 37:30.640 Though, obviously, if it's connected to a wireless network, it's going to be detectable 37:30.640 --> 37:32.140 for people on the local LAN. 37:33.060 --> 37:35.440 And I've been playing around with it recently. 37:35.440 --> 37:41.320 It even sends the DNS traffic over, apparently, the Tor channel. 37:41.320 --> 37:48.360 It runs both Firefox and game, no problem, with the Tor network. 37:48.660 --> 37:54.040 And it uses the Trivoxy proxy to pull out extra information that JavaScript and other 37:54.040 --> 37:57.440 client-side utilities might be able to pull up about the host. 37:58.120 --> 38:01.600 So it looks like they're doing a pretty good job of trying to make a secure boot CD. 38:01.800 --> 38:05.980 It might be a cool thing to play with in your local coffee shop that's popping into your 38:05.980 --> 38:08.700 laptop, boot up from it, and see how secure you are. 38:08.700 --> 38:14.260 Go web surf to a few places that list your IP address, like Nick84's website, and see 38:14.260 --> 38:15.340 what it reports back to you. 38:15.780 --> 38:19.220 Or even better, when you're in the coffee shop, go sneak on someone else's laptop and 38:19.220 --> 38:20.100 go fire it up that way. 38:21.520 --> 38:22.140 That's an idea. 38:22.640 --> 38:25.000 And it seems to work pretty well on the VMware player. 38:25.680 --> 38:30.740 So if you want to try it, and don't want to say that you can't boot for it. 38:34.300 --> 38:35.220 Have we lost him? 38:35.540 --> 38:36.120 That option. 38:36.620 --> 38:36.800 Oh. 38:37.260 --> 38:37.720 Oh, okay. 38:37.720 --> 38:38.580 I thought it was me, honestly. 38:38.980 --> 38:39.880 Yeah, no, it was me, too. 38:39.980 --> 38:40.800 Will you repeat that? 38:40.840 --> 38:42.640 I think you dropped out for a second. 38:43.920 --> 38:44.180 Oh. 38:44.740 --> 38:49.760 Also, if for some reason you can't get the live CD to work from straight booting it on 38:49.760 --> 38:53.640 your laptop because it doesn't support your wireless card, you can always use VMware 38:53.640 --> 38:54.060 Player. 38:54.160 --> 38:55.640 It seems to run pretty easy on that. 38:56.000 --> 38:57.240 And VMware Player is free. 38:58.760 --> 38:59.220 Ah, cool. 38:59.380 --> 38:59.580 Cool. 38:59.580 --> 39:04.100 So I've run it on Windows in VMware Player. 39:05.100 --> 39:07.720 Actually, VMware Player, there's actually tools out there. 39:08.220 --> 39:11.100 All it would do is let you play someone else's virtual machine that they've created, let's 39:11.100 --> 39:13.120 say, with the full VMware. 39:13.800 --> 39:17.500 However, someone's come up with tools to make your own virtual machines for completely free. 39:18.220 --> 39:19.000 Oh, oh, oh, oh. 39:19.000 --> 39:21.460 So it's almost as good as having full VMware. 39:22.420 --> 39:24.040 Oh, I am so playing with that. 39:24.580 --> 39:30.180 I used to have VMware on my computer from my job, but I don't have the CD anymore. 39:30.280 --> 39:34.060 Technically, that's illegal, and you shouldn't do that, so I only can play with that work. 39:34.200 --> 39:35.420 But I was missing that. 39:35.480 --> 39:39.200 I had a lot of fun virtual OSs on my computer installed. 39:40.360 --> 39:45.240 In this case, it's all legal because they provide VMware Player for free, and the person 39:45.240 --> 39:50.280 who creates, I'll paste it into the channel a bit, but the person who creates VMX Builder, 39:50.680 --> 39:53.500 he offers his thing for free, and between the two of them, you pretty much have most 39:53.500 --> 39:55.880 of the functionality of the full VMware. 39:56.840 --> 40:00.900 Well, this was before they actually came out with a free version of VMware, so that's 40:00.900 --> 40:01.520 generally pretty cool. 40:04.540 --> 40:08.120 Oh, and the other thing I'd like to mention is two upcoming cons I wanted to see if anybody 40:08.120 --> 40:08.940 was going to be going to. 40:09.620 --> 40:10.900 InnerZone is coming up in Atlanta. 40:11.020 --> 40:12.220 I've never actually been to that. 40:12.880 --> 40:14.720 It's apparently March 10th through the 12th. 40:15.720 --> 40:20.300 And I haven't heard much about it, but I think some people from BinRev did a previous 40:20.300 --> 40:20.740 year. 40:21.580 --> 40:23.320 StankDog is going this year, I believe. 40:24.720 --> 40:25.320 StankDog is? 40:25.560 --> 40:26.780 I believe he is. 40:28.560 --> 40:32.740 And then there's Noticon coming up on April 7th through the 9th. 40:33.400 --> 40:36.020 And I think there's a whole lot of BinRev is going to be showing up for that one. 40:37.440 --> 40:38.500 Not I, said myself. 40:39.700 --> 40:41.100 But yes, a lot of people are going. 40:41.100 --> 40:43.100 I believe Droops is presenting. 40:44.160 --> 40:44.800 Droops might be. 40:44.800 --> 40:45.620 I don't know. 40:45.620 --> 40:45.640 I don't know. 40:45.640 --> 40:45.660 I don't know. 40:45.660 --> 40:45.680 I don't know. 40:46.240 --> 40:46.980 Okay, Droops is. 40:47.160 --> 40:47.280 Okay. 40:51.440 --> 40:51.940 So, Noticon. 40:53.520 --> 40:58.080 Okay, so InnerZone is March 3rd through 10th. 40:58.320 --> 40:58.780 No, I'm sorry. 40:58.860 --> 41:00.380 March 10th through 12th. 41:00.520 --> 41:01.920 Yeah, I'm out of it. 41:01.980 --> 41:03.720 I'm suffering from a Strom disease. 41:05.000 --> 41:05.620 That's okay. 41:06.780 --> 41:09.380 Now, where exactly is InnerZone? 41:09.440 --> 41:10.300 I know it's down south. 41:10.380 --> 41:11.000 Isn't it in Georgia? 41:11.440 --> 41:12.220 That's in Atlanta. 41:12.680 --> 41:13.040 Atlanta. 41:13.040 --> 41:13.360 Atlanta, okay. 41:13.620 --> 41:15.860 And Noticon's up in Cleveland, Ohio. 41:16.740 --> 41:17.140 Spiffy. 41:17.260 --> 41:18.260 Well, up from my standpoint. 41:20.280 --> 41:25.460 Sort of across and down, you know, west-southwest for me, I think. 41:26.920 --> 41:27.500 All right. 41:27.660 --> 41:28.460 Well, do you have anything else? 41:29.160 --> 41:31.260 Oh, he forgot to mention Layer 1. 41:32.040 --> 41:32.780 Oh, yeah, Layer 1. 41:32.880 --> 41:33.200 Layer 1. 41:33.260 --> 41:34.500 I wasn't aware of Layer 1. 41:34.560 --> 41:35.040 Where is it at? 41:35.400 --> 41:36.360 Pasadena, California. 41:37.160 --> 41:37.720 What is that? 41:37.900 --> 41:44.020 That is, I believe, the weekend of April 15th through the 16th. 41:46.400 --> 41:49.880 Seriously, someone needs to start a convention in Boston like yesterday. 41:50.660 --> 41:51.860 I'm just bummed out. 41:52.220 --> 41:53.820 I mean, come on, Cleveland? 41:56.620 --> 41:58.800 Hey, scenic downtown Cleveland. 41:59.140 --> 42:01.360 I mean, you know, Drew Carey's there, but that's about it. 42:01.360 --> 42:05.000 Isn't the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame there also? 42:06.100 --> 42:07.460 Who cares about rock and roll? 42:07.940 --> 42:08.920 In other words, there's not much there. 42:09.020 --> 42:10.100 I get the point, yeah. 42:12.020 --> 42:15.320 I'd like to have one in Louisville, Kentucky, but that ain't going to happen anytime soon. 42:15.800 --> 42:18.280 Well, Louisville's Kentucky is close to Freakneck, isn't it? 42:18.380 --> 42:19.200 If I'm not mistaken. 42:19.380 --> 42:19.800 I don't know. 42:19.800 --> 42:23.600 Well, that's down in Nashville, Tennessee. 42:23.820 --> 42:25.440 It's not, I guess it's fairly close. 42:25.580 --> 42:26.660 It depends on what you mean. 42:26.720 --> 42:32.920 It's a lot closer than me going out to Hope or out to Las Vegas with DEF CON. 42:33.020 --> 42:35.300 How long of a drive is it? 42:39.840 --> 42:40.540 Iron Beak. 42:40.600 --> 42:40.860 Hello. 42:42.020 --> 42:43.060 I guess he faded out. 42:44.440 --> 42:45.120 Well, that stinks. 42:45.660 --> 42:46.740 I'll have to go fire that in. 42:46.740 --> 42:48.340 Louisville, Kentucky to Nashville, Tennessee. 42:48.340 --> 42:49.980 Yeah, go fire that off into Google Maps later. 42:50.360 --> 42:50.540 Yeah. 42:51.840 --> 42:54.780 Anyway, if he didn't say anything in the next couple of minutes, I'm just going to drop 42:54.780 --> 42:56.500 the call off my contract. 42:56.520 --> 42:57.900 I think we've lost him. 42:58.440 --> 42:58.720 All right. 42:58.960 --> 43:01.200 I'm here, but I just don't have anything else to say. 43:01.840 --> 43:02.080 Oh, okay. 43:02.140 --> 43:03.280 Well, we asked you as well. 43:03.660 --> 43:06.820 How long from Louisville, Kentucky to Nashville, Tennessee? 43:07.900 --> 43:12.320 I want to say if you drive it and you don't have a lot of traffic, I think you can do it 43:12.320 --> 43:13.560 in about four or five hours. 43:13.560 --> 43:18.120 I think it ended up taking us six or seven because of traffic and various other problems. 43:19.340 --> 43:19.860 Oh, that's not bad. 43:19.860 --> 43:20.840 I didn't hear the question earlier. 43:20.940 --> 43:22.220 Apparently, I dropped out or something. 43:22.760 --> 43:23.700 Yes, I got you dropped out. 43:24.300 --> 43:26.460 Are you calling from a landline phone? 43:27.640 --> 43:28.420 Yes, I am. 43:28.740 --> 43:29.160 Hmm. 43:29.380 --> 43:33.080 It's an IP phone at work, though, so maybe some business is going on there. 43:33.080 --> 43:35.400 Well, that's not exactly a landline phone, then. 43:36.220 --> 43:37.320 Okay, not technically. 43:38.420 --> 43:39.860 A sort of landline. 43:40.340 --> 43:40.760 It's an IP phone. 43:40.760 --> 43:41.060 All right. 43:41.060 --> 43:44.700 Well, thank you very much for those conventions and also Layer 1. 43:44.860 --> 43:46.700 So be there or be square no matter where you are. 43:46.940 --> 43:47.700 I'll be square. 43:47.780 --> 43:48.600 I'll be leaving in Boston. 43:49.220 --> 43:53.540 Hey, I've got to drive all the way to Pasadena from Los Angeles. 43:53.920 --> 43:54.780 And how far is that? 43:55.540 --> 43:56.840 About 15 minutes. 43:57.180 --> 43:57.840 Yeah, bite me. 44:01.840 --> 44:03.060 Well, you guys have a good night. 44:03.380 --> 44:03.500 You too. 44:03.500 --> 44:03.920 Well, you too. 44:04.000 --> 44:04.640 Thank you very much. 44:04.860 --> 44:05.500 Thank you much, man. 44:05.640 --> 44:06.000 No problem. 44:06.060 --> 44:06.300 Bye-bye. 44:06.480 --> 44:06.820 Bye-bye. 44:09.940 --> 44:10.540 All right. 44:10.540 --> 44:12.480 Um, I'll go read the next email. 44:12.860 --> 44:18.280 Um, hey guys, I heard your episode 131, Amateur Radio and you. 44:18.460 --> 44:19.960 Oh, can I interject here for a second? 44:20.580 --> 44:20.760 Yeah. 44:21.180 --> 44:21.580 Yes. 44:21.780 --> 44:26.900 Dear emailer, amateur, spelled A-M-A-T-E-U-R. 44:27.160 --> 44:28.400 It comes from French. 44:28.840 --> 44:29.500 Read it exactly. 44:29.920 --> 44:31.000 Get it out of your system. 44:31.140 --> 44:31.440 Get it out of your system. 44:31.440 --> 44:33.160 A-M-A-T-E-U-R. 44:33.260 --> 44:33.940 Deep breath. 44:34.080 --> 44:34.620 Deep breath. 44:34.680 --> 44:35.520 Just take a deep breath. 44:35.600 --> 44:36.440 It's a nice, cleansing breath. 44:36.680 --> 44:39.180 The evil misspellings are not going to get you. 44:39.400 --> 44:41.500 It's not R-mature without an R, okay? 44:41.660 --> 44:42.280 It's amateur. 44:43.000 --> 44:43.560 It's good. 44:44.080 --> 44:46.180 I always had trouble spelling amateur, to be honest with you. 44:46.700 --> 44:47.500 Blah, blah, blah. 44:47.500 --> 44:51.440 I noticed a lot of talk about Verizon and even Verizon DSL. 44:51.840 --> 44:54.600 Well, I have stated before that I work for a telecom. 44:55.020 --> 44:56.720 Well, that's Verizon, sadly, I admit. 44:57.600 --> 45:02.180 The bad thing is that I do not have any Verizon services. 45:02.440 --> 45:04.720 I once had DSL on a local telephone through them, 45:04.720 --> 45:06.460 but that was wickedly disappointing. 45:07.100 --> 45:10.680 For instance, when I first got DSL, I had no connection whatsoever. 45:11.120 --> 45:11.520 Why? 45:11.720 --> 45:16.520 When Verizon told me I had some wild MAC address for my number, 45:16.640 --> 45:17.380 which I never owned. 45:17.720 --> 45:20.680 So from the get-go, I had to spoof my MAC address just for the connection. 45:21.560 --> 45:22.920 Their exact words were, 45:23.540 --> 45:27.100 Sir, you'll have to find this MAC address to get connected. 45:27.800 --> 45:29.420 Okay, so let me put up with you. 45:29.740 --> 45:32.200 Okay, so let me put out an ATV on it. 45:32.200 --> 45:37.860 On top of that, the issue, randomly, the routing would go south and websites would drop off. 45:38.000 --> 45:42.000 And I don't own a Linux box or call and report a problem unless you have Windows box to boot up. 45:42.560 --> 45:43.960 Don't think he said that one correctly. 45:44.180 --> 45:47.000 I think he tried to say that he has Linux, he doesn't have Windows, 45:47.140 --> 45:48.520 and he can't report a problem that way. 45:49.400 --> 45:52.620 I finally threw their Walmart modem out of the window. 45:53.380 --> 45:53.480 Hmm? 45:54.380 --> 45:55.220 Hey, Booter, what's up, man? 45:55.220 --> 45:58.000 You need to mute yourself, Strom. 45:58.020 --> 45:58.420 All right, I've got your questions. 45:58.540 --> 45:59.420 I'm just going to park you here. 46:01.220 --> 46:04.340 And sacrifice my residential alarm because their phone service sucks. 46:04.440 --> 46:07.300 So here's just a Verizon employee who has no faith in their service. 46:08.000 --> 46:09.700 And no, I don't work with the phone groups. 46:09.760 --> 46:10.820 I work in Internet security. 46:11.560 --> 46:14.140 Oh, and by the way, amateur radio is fun to mess with. 46:14.260 --> 46:17.220 Packet radio in real life is some decent fun. 46:18.020 --> 46:23.540 I'm a licensed amateur, also KGXXXXX, which is a Virginia license. 46:24.300 --> 46:26.500 But like you said, don't give out your call sign. 46:26.820 --> 46:27.340 Lots to laugh. 46:27.580 --> 46:28.280 Good advice, guys. 46:28.740 --> 46:30.540 Cheers, anonymous disgruntled employee. 46:31.040 --> 46:34.560 P.S., I have a PSP, and I attached a wallpaper that I made. 46:35.080 --> 46:39.860 And this wallpaper is the Verizon logo with making migraines every day underneath it. 46:40.360 --> 46:43.980 I just realized I forgot to mute this side of the connection when I checked that call, didn't I? 46:44.020 --> 46:44.580 Why, yes. 46:44.840 --> 46:45.460 Yes, you did. 46:45.460 --> 46:49.240 I'm sitting there, and I hear, this is Strom. 46:49.980 --> 46:50.760 And I'm going, what? 46:51.260 --> 46:54.180 And I hear, okay, Booter, let me put you on hold, and I'll park you right here. 46:54.240 --> 46:56.320 And I'm like, okay, you must be talking to someone else. 46:56.340 --> 46:57.420 So I continued with the email. 46:57.580 --> 46:57.740 Yeah. 46:58.180 --> 46:58.420 Oops. 46:59.240 --> 47:02.980 I got to say, thank you for your Verizon rant. 47:03.140 --> 47:06.120 You should have showed up during our free-fooding hostility episode. 47:06.220 --> 47:06.940 That would have come in handy. 47:09.000 --> 47:11.740 It's strange that they gave you the MAC address answer. 47:11.740 --> 47:13.300 Perhaps it's different in Virginia. 47:13.300 --> 47:13.380 Yeah. 47:14.460 --> 47:20.420 But perhaps that they're different in Virginia, or perhaps that they're feeding you, you know, some grade A bull. 47:20.420 --> 47:29.260 Well, I spoofed my MAC address on Verizon, but that's only because I – actually, no. 47:29.340 --> 47:31.560 I was thinking – let me rephrase that. 47:31.780 --> 47:42.440 I could have spoofed my MAC address on Verizon, but the only reason I did that is because I took their official, wonderful DSL router and modem all built into one unit. 47:42.440 --> 47:48.240 And I read – I basically made it into an Ethernet bridge so I could control my own firewall rules. 47:50.420 --> 47:57.380 And apparently some of their DSL modems, when you tell it to release your DHCP address, it doesn't actually do it. 47:57.440 --> 48:04.320 And if you don't release your DHCP and you try to connect to it again via a different MAC address, it panics and doesn't give you an IP. 48:04.320 --> 48:11.120 So it was very well documented, but I don't know what your problem was. 48:11.200 --> 48:15.440 And technically that only – you lose internet, but you only lose it for like two hours for your lease to expire. 48:16.120 --> 48:17.280 Or at least that's what everyone else said. 48:17.360 --> 48:18.640 It didn't happen to me, thank goodness. 48:20.280 --> 48:23.600 So, well, you know, it's very well documented. 48:23.860 --> 48:27.260 I don't know what your problem was, but I think they refuted you some bull. 48:27.260 --> 48:30.160 Well, I'll post your wallpaper up on my website. 48:30.340 --> 48:31.780 I found – it gave me a chuckle. 48:33.000 --> 48:39.240 And finally, you could also drop your digit because I know you're going to be KG4 because you're from Virginia. 48:39.880 --> 48:41.260 Or at least I assume you are. 48:41.560 --> 48:43.360 So, ho, ho, ho, I owned you. 48:44.680 --> 48:45.520 You pwned him. 48:45.980 --> 48:46.200 Yes. 48:46.460 --> 48:49.080 And we have Bruder – oh, that's going to be on the line, isn't it? 48:49.100 --> 48:50.500 I just had this psychic premonition. 48:51.440 --> 48:51.960 You did? 48:52.400 --> 48:52.720 Yeah. 48:53.760 --> 48:57.080 It's like this little voice inside my head told me while I was reading the email. 48:57.580 --> 48:59.620 Okay, well, yeah, I think you're right. 48:59.700 --> 49:01.720 Let me see if I can grab Bruder here. 49:02.280 --> 49:02.580 Yes. 49:03.300 --> 49:07.880 Another thing about amateur radio, for those of you who don't know, depending on what part of the country that you are in, 49:08.360 --> 49:11.400 you get a signed number on your call sign. 49:11.500 --> 49:18.220 Like, for example, Northeast is 1, New York is 2, and the South is 4. 49:18.220 --> 49:21.480 And I forget where 3 is, but, like, you know, all of California is 6. 49:22.480 --> 49:24.640 And there's all kinds of, like, crazy stuff over there. 49:25.220 --> 49:27.980 And I think Bruder's outside, because I think I heard a car pass by. 49:28.460 --> 49:29.000 You there, Bruder? 49:29.160 --> 49:30.860 Yeah, what's going on, yo? 49:31.280 --> 49:31.840 Not much. 49:31.840 --> 49:32.520 How are you, man? 49:33.600 --> 49:34.800 Ah, relaxing. 49:35.140 --> 49:36.160 He's taking a day off today. 49:36.200 --> 49:36.640 I called in. 49:37.180 --> 49:37.780 Cool, cool. 49:38.340 --> 49:38.800 Oh, shoot. 49:38.920 --> 49:40.620 Let's hope they're not listening to the radio show. 49:42.700 --> 49:44.440 Yeah, but I'm not at work, so it's all good. 49:45.800 --> 49:49.260 So your question involved broadband over power lines, and it's not? 49:49.260 --> 49:57.700 Yeah, we had a meeting at work, a company-wide meeting, and he was talking, our CEO was talking 49:57.700 --> 49:59.460 about how they're looking to get into that. 49:59.840 --> 50:03.980 So I started to do some research, and I looked around a little bit, and basically the only 50:03.980 --> 50:06.060 thing, I haven't found any, like, new articles. 50:06.320 --> 50:08.240 Everything dates back to, like, 2003. 50:09.120 --> 50:14.200 But basically all I really know of is it's supposed to be symmetrical as far as upstream 50:14.200 --> 50:14.800 and downstream? 50:15.580 --> 50:15.880 Yes. 50:15.980 --> 50:20.040 So I was wondering if y'all knew much more about that? 50:21.460 --> 50:26.800 Well, what broadband over power lines is, for those of you who don't know, broadband over 50:26.800 --> 50:31.660 power lines is basically, you know, what you, it means exactly what it sounds like. 50:31.700 --> 50:39.720 You get broadband, and it's over your electrical system rather than a cable system or a, or 50:39.720 --> 50:40.880 your phone line. 50:40.880 --> 50:43.680 It's symmetrical. 50:44.240 --> 50:50.400 I believe it has very long, I don't know what you would call it, an effective radius 50:50.400 --> 50:56.480 from wherever they actually start the signal from, or it's very easy to boost a signal as 50:56.480 --> 50:57.780 opposed to, like, you know, TSL. 51:01.300 --> 51:10.140 The main problem with BPL is that it could be flaky sometimes, and this is what I heard 51:10.140 --> 51:10.860 in 2003. 51:11.020 --> 51:12.860 I actually haven't done much research on it now. 51:13.580 --> 51:19.960 But the main thing in, when it first came out is areas that got it, amateur radio operators 51:19.960 --> 51:26.800 who worked the world bands, that's stuff below 50 megahertz, they had major interference. 51:26.800 --> 51:33.120 And technically, that's a no-no, because with the FCC resignations... 51:33.120 --> 51:33.880 What do you mean, regulations? 51:35.040 --> 51:38.860 No, designated, because it's, well, it's a regulation and a designation. 51:39.360 --> 51:41.680 I thought I heard you say resignations. 51:41.840 --> 51:42.500 I'm like, resignation? 51:42.900 --> 51:46.660 I would like the FCC to resign, but I meant to say designation. 51:46.820 --> 51:47.580 I might have screwed up. 51:47.680 --> 51:48.200 Lord only knows. 51:48.200 --> 51:58.020 Well, okay, the FCC regulations state that certain equipment that can do RF interference 51:58.020 --> 52:01.920 get designated under a certain rule set, and that's called Part 15. 52:01.920 --> 52:07.200 And if you look under certain devices, you'll see, you know, FCC, Part 15, this device may 52:07.200 --> 52:11.180 cause harmful interference or may have to accept harmful interference, blah, blah, blah, blah, 52:11.180 --> 52:11.520 blah, blah. 52:11.520 --> 52:17.320 But with the fact that it was interfering with amateur radio, amateur radio is designated 52:17.320 --> 52:19.760 underneath another rule set called Part 97. 52:20.900 --> 52:27.500 And with that, the Part 15 device gets completely blown out by the amateur radio device, and 52:27.500 --> 52:33.900 because the Part 15 device was interfering with amateur radio, the ARRL, we mentioned them 52:33.900 --> 52:39.760 last week, filed complaints on behalf of amateur radio guys saying, hey, this stuff is interfering 52:39.760 --> 52:42.580 with our thing, and therefore is in violation of the FCC rules. 52:43.480 --> 52:48.900 And a major battle ensued, basically, between the ARRL and the people with money. 52:50.220 --> 52:57.080 And as it stands now, the ARRL is, I wouldn't say has one, but is winning. 52:57.340 --> 52:58.420 It's looking very good. 52:59.000 --> 53:02.620 A lot of the stuff that caused interference was of sucky quality anyway. 53:02.620 --> 53:08.540 And the FCC did say to certain companies, you are causing harmful interference, you need 53:08.540 --> 53:09.240 to cut this out. 53:11.440 --> 53:14.920 And so with broadband over power lines, as it stands now, is that it's still being rolled 53:14.920 --> 53:15.240 out. 53:15.540 --> 53:18.960 However, the newer equipment is actually a lot better. 53:19.080 --> 53:22.980 It's not perfect, and people are still bitching and moaning, as it were. 53:23.980 --> 53:27.180 To some degree, they are right, but to some point, you're just going to say, hey, you know, 53:27.240 --> 53:29.080 at least it wasn't as bad as it was. 53:29.080 --> 53:32.260 Go ahead. 53:32.440 --> 53:34.080 Yeah, because I was thinking that... 53:34.080 --> 53:37.900 He was thinking that dropouts. 53:38.600 --> 53:40.840 Wow, your VoIP connection just sucked today. 53:41.580 --> 53:42.260 That would cause... 53:42.260 --> 53:43.880 Are you on a mobile phone booter? 53:45.160 --> 53:46.080 Yes, unfortunately. 53:46.620 --> 53:47.580 Okay, you dropped out. 53:47.640 --> 53:48.560 Can you please repeat that? 53:50.140 --> 53:56.440 I'm saying, like, if it's just plugged into a regular outlet, I'm assuming that it would 53:56.440 --> 53:59.800 pretty much need its own dedicated outlet, because if you had anything else plugged into 53:59.800 --> 54:06.300 it, you know, it would cause interference, like a radio or any other sort of device plugged 54:06.300 --> 54:07.980 into the same outlet. 54:09.360 --> 54:10.920 No, I don't believe it does, actually. 54:11.080 --> 54:13.620 I'm not exactly sure if there's any... 54:13.620 --> 54:18.060 Well, what customer service equipment is involved in this, but from what I've heard, it's fairly 54:18.060 --> 54:19.840 transparent. 54:21.040 --> 54:24.740 I wonder what the billing's like, because, like, everyone's connected up to the same AC source. 54:24.740 --> 54:26.980 Yeah, that's actually an interesting question. 54:27.660 --> 54:30.860 Well, I mean, the whole broadband over power line thing, when I first read about it, it 54:30.860 --> 54:32.740 struck me the wrong way, and it still hasn't... 54:33.560 --> 54:34.640 I have this need. 54:36.520 --> 54:40.920 It still doesn't seem right to me, because at least in my eyes, if you've got a communications 54:40.920 --> 54:43.980 network and you've got a power network, the two should really be separate. 54:44.920 --> 54:46.960 I mean, seriously. 54:47.560 --> 54:51.800 Hey, Ken, like California, you can buy your telephone service from the power company? 54:51.800 --> 54:54.520 Not as far as I know. 54:55.340 --> 54:57.160 LAGWP doesn't have a telephone service. 54:57.340 --> 54:58.120 No, no, what is it? 54:58.220 --> 54:59.400 No, no, Las Vegas. 54:59.540 --> 55:01.580 I remember you mentioned that on one of your recordings. 55:02.040 --> 55:06.460 Oh, in Pahrump, the local electric utility had a SELEC division, I think. 55:06.900 --> 55:07.260 Yes. 55:07.400 --> 55:08.780 But it wasn't over power lines. 55:08.860 --> 55:09.800 It was over... 55:09.800 --> 55:13.360 It was still over the telephone network. 55:13.560 --> 55:15.480 Well, this is the next logical step, isn't it? 55:16.380 --> 55:18.780 Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 55:20.220 --> 55:24.080 But yes, BPL was interesting, but personally, I'm with Strom. 55:24.140 --> 55:26.040 I don't foresee it taking off anytime soon. 55:27.160 --> 55:27.300 Yeah. 55:27.360 --> 55:29.300 I mean, do y'all think, like... 55:29.300 --> 55:33.400 I don't know, like, if they send out the same sort of signals, but I mean, as far as, 55:33.400 --> 55:37.480 like, you know, like, war driving and stuff, like, wouldn't it be, like, a completely different 55:37.480 --> 55:40.880 way of trying to pick up those signals, or would they just be coming from... 55:40.880 --> 55:42.640 It's not wireless. 55:42.840 --> 55:51.400 It's actually on the network, but what the problem was, was the signal transposed over 55:51.400 --> 55:55.400 the electrical current caused harmful interference with amateur radio equipment. 55:56.680 --> 55:59.620 And basically, you didn't actually pick up data, you just... 55:59.620 --> 56:04.100 I believe the ARRL has, like, actual videos of this actually happening and sound recordings, 56:04.440 --> 56:06.780 and basically what you hear is you just hear this... 56:06.780 --> 56:13.980 And it's very noticeable, and if you want to pick up, like, a lot of, like, distant stations, 56:14.640 --> 56:17.940 you won't be able to hear them with this interference on top of them. 56:19.660 --> 56:20.340 Oh, okay. 56:21.600 --> 56:23.540 So that was what the issue was. 56:24.860 --> 56:30.220 Then I kind of had another question, or question, comment, slash thing. 56:30.720 --> 56:35.280 I had a friend back just about a week before Christmas, and he was at the mall, and he had 56:35.280 --> 56:39.320 his four-year-old daughter with him, and I guess they were in a food court, and it's, 56:39.580 --> 56:42.080 you know, as kids do, his four-year-old daughter started to run off. 56:42.820 --> 56:47.760 So instead of grabbing a cell phone that was on the table, like, he went and chased after 56:47.760 --> 56:49.540 his daughter inside the mall, you know? 56:49.980 --> 56:54.280 And some lady grabbed his cell phone and says, oh, I got me a new cell phone now, and, like, 56:54.560 --> 56:58.220 she disappeared in the crowd as he was still chasing his daughter, which got me thinking. 56:58.220 --> 57:01.660 And I was like, I don't know if there's any service out there, or if they're thinking 57:01.660 --> 57:06.360 about doing it, where, um, from your phone, like, you know, if you got your SIM card in 57:06.360 --> 57:10.860 your phone, where, if you could go through the internet and basically upload all the numbers 57:10.860 --> 57:16.060 that you had into, uh, like, your online account with whatever provider that you have. 57:17.220 --> 57:18.580 Some providers do this already. 57:18.760 --> 57:23.980 Like, Sam and I, we have our sidekicks, and all of the contact information is kept online. 57:23.980 --> 57:28.520 And this is actually how Paris Hilton got owned back last year or so? 57:28.900 --> 57:29.760 I forget when it was. 57:29.860 --> 57:30.940 Yeah, sometime last year. 57:31.520 --> 57:36.220 Yeah, it's basically someone broke into the online version of her account and got all their 57:36.220 --> 57:37.400 contact information that way. 57:37.920 --> 57:41.140 But it's pretty cool because I just, uh, I just have my sidekick replaced because the 57:41.140 --> 57:42.100 old one flaked out on me. 57:42.400 --> 57:43.100 I've used it. 57:43.420 --> 57:49.780 And, um, and I've stuck in my SIM card, and all my settings and all my contacts just downloaded 57:49.780 --> 57:52.920 from, from their servers onto my sidekick. 57:52.920 --> 57:55.000 And it was literally like I had never changed phones. 57:55.600 --> 57:55.840 Mm-hmm. 57:56.040 --> 57:56.480 Beautiful. 57:56.700 --> 58:01.180 Yeah, I've never, I've never used T-Mobile, so I have no idea how their stuff runs. 58:01.300 --> 58:01.440 Mm-hmm. 58:01.560 --> 58:03.660 Oh, I believe, actually, my, yeah. 58:03.780 --> 58:08.000 One of my friends uses, oh, crap, Singular, Singular, that's who they use. 58:08.360 --> 58:14.320 And, um, they have something similar to that, where you can store your contacts online or 58:14.320 --> 58:15.120 whatever you want to call it. 58:15.200 --> 58:19.160 They don't, they actually, they either store it onto a web server or they store it, like, 58:19.240 --> 58:20.700 not on the SIM card, as it were. 58:21.140 --> 58:21.420 Mm-hmm. 58:21.920 --> 58:22.180 Yeah. 58:22.180 --> 58:26.960 But, I mean, typically the way GSM works is that, uh, all your contacts get stored on 58:26.960 --> 58:31.040 the SIM, so that, uh, should you change phones, your contacts come with you. 58:31.340 --> 58:35.860 And if you're, even if your phone doesn't have an internet uplink, a lot of phone, any 58:35.860 --> 58:40.040 phone that has data cable, uh, some sort of capability to connect to your computer, either 58:40.040 --> 58:44.180 with data cable or Bluetooth or infrared, the software that you download from the phone 58:44.180 --> 58:48.680 manufacturer will, in fact, have the, have the ability to copy your contact onto your 58:48.680 --> 58:49.040 computer. 58:49.680 --> 58:56.540 So, it is kind of a, kind of a moot point at this point, because, uh, I mean, anyway, even 58:56.540 --> 59:01.360 if you can't do that, if your phone is the only way, the only place you're storing your 59:01.360 --> 59:07.360 numbers, and you, you know you can't transfer them off and you lose the phone, that's your 59:07.360 --> 59:11.740 own damn fault for not having the numbers copied somewhere else, like in a book or something. 59:15.220 --> 59:15.580 Yeah. 59:16.640 --> 59:21.160 So, that's the wonderful world of, uh... 59:21.160 --> 59:22.520 Oh, I mean, it's... 59:22.520 --> 59:23.340 Yeah, number of storage. 59:25.420 --> 59:25.780 Yeah. 59:25.780 --> 59:28.260 It's, it's, it's sad, but it, it happens. 59:28.700 --> 59:28.920 Mm-hmm. 59:29.020 --> 59:29.920 People just do it. 59:31.440 --> 59:32.700 So, you know, what are you going to do? 59:33.080 --> 59:33.300 Yeah. 59:33.440 --> 59:34.300 And anything could happen. 59:34.360 --> 59:40.060 Your phone could fall in the lake, um, your phone could get horribly crushed by a moving 59:40.060 --> 59:47.260 vehicle, your phone could get, uh, swallowed by a toddler or something, so keep a backup of 59:47.260 --> 59:52.920 your numbers handy in case your phone dies in some cataclysmic, horrible events like, I don't 59:52.920 --> 59:54.840 know, the, the table catching on fire. 01:00:01.300 --> 01:00:01.900 All right. 01:00:02.940 --> 01:00:03.540 Anything else? 01:00:04.280 --> 01:00:07.840 No, no, no, that, that was all I have for you guys, um, y'all keep up the good work. 01:00:09.340 --> 01:00:09.740 Thanks. 01:00:10.100 --> 01:00:14.340 Oh, and we should, we should congratulate, yeah, we should congratulate Booter Wilder Docs 01:00:14.340 --> 01:00:19.120 for, uh, for being part of the new, uh, moderating team on, uh, the, the BinRef forums. 01:00:20.140 --> 01:00:22.900 Yes, I mean, it makes it some, it makes it some, it makes it some, it makes it a 01:00:22.900 --> 01:00:25.320 It makes it so much easier to get naked pictures of you guys. 01:00:26.260 --> 01:00:26.800 Oh, yeah. 01:00:27.440 --> 01:00:29.880 Well, we got, we got those in the mods forum, I mean, that's what we got to do. 01:00:30.200 --> 01:00:30.600 Yeah, yeah. 01:00:31.140 --> 01:00:31.420 Exactly. 01:00:32.860 --> 01:00:35.500 All the mods have, all the, have naked pictures of all the other mods. 01:00:37.520 --> 01:00:40.040 And you know I spearheaded that effort, so, um, uh. 01:00:40.460 --> 01:00:40.780 Exactly. 01:00:41.000 --> 01:00:43.840 I mean, hell, you had, you were giving us naked pictures of you before you were a mod. 01:00:43.980 --> 01:00:45.040 Oh, hell yeah, hell yeah. 01:00:46.040 --> 01:00:49.480 Well, I mean, that was just about, you know, what is it, uh, from, uh, whatever movie that 01:00:49.480 --> 01:00:51.040 would meet the fucker, Circle of Trust. 01:00:53.120 --> 01:00:53.840 Circle of Trust. 01:00:55.600 --> 01:00:57.300 I'm going to have a hacker honeycomb hideout here. 01:00:58.340 --> 01:00:59.540 All right, let me get you all done here. 01:00:59.600 --> 01:01:05.700 But congratulations, okay, congratulations, Booter, um, uh, welcome to you on, and, you 01:01:05.700 --> 01:01:08.680 know, watch out, everyone watch out for Booter, he's going to smack your ass down. 01:01:09.220 --> 01:01:09.380 Mm-hmm. 01:01:09.940 --> 01:01:11.040 And hanging of the floor. 01:01:11.220 --> 01:01:11.880 All right, yeah, take care. 01:01:12.240 --> 01:01:12.980 You're very welcome. 01:01:14.020 --> 01:01:14.960 All right, talk to you later, man. 01:01:14.980 --> 01:01:15.640 Talk to you later, man. 01:01:16.600 --> 01:01:16.960 All right. 01:01:17.720 --> 01:01:20.440 And speaking of the forums, that, uh, leads into our next email. 01:01:22.620 --> 01:01:22.980 Yes. 01:01:23.220 --> 01:01:27.460 It says, this email is just to remind you guys to mention the logo contest on the 01:01:27.460 --> 01:01:28.720 forum, DJ Mollusk. 01:01:29.160 --> 01:01:33.520 So, what we're doing on the BINREF forums is we have a contest to design new logos for 01:01:33.520 --> 01:01:36.600 Binary Revolution and the Digital Dog Bound. 01:01:36.600 --> 01:01:42.480 And I have been working on and refining my BINREFORM logo. 01:01:44.860 --> 01:01:47.920 Did you know that I actually hadn't noticed this until he sent the email? 01:01:48.380 --> 01:01:48.720 You hadn't? 01:01:48.720 --> 01:01:50.860 I do not go into that forum at all. 01:01:51.660 --> 01:01:52.020 OMG. 01:01:53.580 --> 01:01:53.900 Yes. 01:01:53.900 --> 01:01:57.040 If I want Photoshop, I go to FARC. 01:01:57.160 --> 01:01:58.560 That's, that's, that's my rule of thumb. 01:02:01.200 --> 01:02:03.260 Our Photoshop's just not good enough for Black Ratchet. 01:02:04.360 --> 01:02:08.000 Well, no, I just, really, if I want to go to Photoshop, I go to FARC. 01:02:08.040 --> 01:02:11.240 If I want to talk about hackings, I, I go to BIN, I go to, uh, DDP. 01:02:11.440 --> 01:02:11.980 That's what it is. 01:02:12.000 --> 01:02:12.840 I go to the BINREFORM. 01:02:12.940 --> 01:02:13.560 Just talk about hacking. 01:02:13.880 --> 01:02:15.260 And then when I'm done, I go to FARC. 01:02:15.260 --> 01:02:19.060 I really shouldn't chide you because there are, I shouldn't chide you because there are 01:02:19.060 --> 01:02:20.720 parts of the forum that I don't read either, so. 01:02:21.680 --> 01:02:21.960 Yes. 01:02:23.260 --> 01:02:29.120 But, uh, you know, yes, it's, it's in the forums in the, uh, Photoshop slash, I forget 01:02:29.120 --> 01:02:29.940 what the actual name is. 01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:30.700 It's in the Photoshop forum. 01:02:30.700 --> 01:02:32.000 Photoshop contest, it's called. 01:02:33.080 --> 01:02:33.740 Oh, that's what it is? 01:02:33.780 --> 01:02:33.980 Okay. 01:02:34.100 --> 01:02:34.600 I forget what it is. 01:02:35.140 --> 01:02:37.320 And, uh, yeah, you can check that out and you can add your own logos. 01:02:37.320 --> 01:02:40.320 And are we offering a prize or something or just bragging rights? 01:02:40.760 --> 01:02:43.120 I don't know if we're offering a prize specifically. 01:02:43.440 --> 01:02:44.320 Uh, let me take a look. 01:02:45.260 --> 01:02:46.120 The wonder of live radio. 01:02:46.760 --> 01:02:47.780 We'll offer a prize tonight. 01:02:47.880 --> 01:02:53.440 If you get your, if you make a good logo, we will let you come on the, uh, radio show 01:02:53.440 --> 01:02:55.880 and you can talk about whatever you want or something. 01:02:56.020 --> 01:02:56.220 Yes. 01:02:57.900 --> 01:02:58.480 There we go. 01:02:58.540 --> 01:02:59.640 That's your prize right there. 01:02:59.900 --> 01:03:01.180 It's a bit of a boobie prize, but. 01:03:03.260 --> 01:03:04.860 And not the good type of boobies, but. 01:03:05.520 --> 01:03:05.640 Yeah. 01:03:06.420 --> 01:03:09.720 This is going to be a little different than other competitions because multiple people 01:03:09.720 --> 01:03:13.300 could, quote, win, unquote, and there really isn't any prize other than the 01:03:13.300 --> 01:03:14.640 satisfaction of being involved. 01:03:15.260 --> 01:03:15.420 So. 01:03:15.960 --> 01:03:16.840 Oh, we'll give you that too. 01:03:17.060 --> 01:03:17.260 Yeah. 01:03:17.360 --> 01:03:17.980 We'll give you that too. 01:03:18.020 --> 01:03:22.180 But we're going to up the ante and we're going to offer, um, shit. 01:03:22.440 --> 01:03:24.620 I'm, I'm going to, I'm, I'm cleaning up my apartment. 01:03:24.620 --> 01:03:29.380 I'm sure I'll find some interesting, weird piece of electronics lying around here. 01:03:29.380 --> 01:03:32.360 So I will, uh, offer that as a prize to whoever wins. 01:03:33.800 --> 01:03:36.440 Interesting, weird piece of electronics from Strom's floor. 01:03:36.900 --> 01:03:37.120 Yes. 01:03:37.540 --> 01:03:40.300 Well, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, but write that in the notes for next week and we'll, 01:03:40.380 --> 01:03:41.240 we'll go announce it then. 01:03:41.340 --> 01:03:41.480 Yeah. 01:03:41.480 --> 01:03:42.160 We'll give a prize. 01:03:42.160 --> 01:03:45.640 Some type of prize to whoever Strom deems, deems worthy. 01:03:46.380 --> 01:03:46.940 So, yeah. 01:03:47.000 --> 01:03:48.740 Or we'll, we'll actually, we'll let all the mods go. 01:03:48.980 --> 01:03:49.100 Yeah. 01:03:49.100 --> 01:03:49.540 To figure that one out. 01:03:49.620 --> 01:03:49.820 All right. 01:03:49.860 --> 01:03:49.960 Yeah. 01:03:50.220 --> 01:03:51.720 So tune in next week to hear the prize. 01:03:51.780 --> 01:03:53.540 Want to read, want to read the, yes. 01:03:53.820 --> 01:03:54.080 Yes. 01:03:54.080 --> 01:03:54.900 Want to read the next email? 01:03:55.300 --> 01:03:55.580 Sure. 01:03:55.640 --> 01:03:55.940 Why not? 01:03:56.040 --> 01:03:58.500 Let, uh, me, see, where'd I put that? 01:03:58.580 --> 01:03:59.040 Uh, here we go. 01:04:00.100 --> 01:04:00.900 Hi, you're ratchet. 01:04:01.260 --> 01:04:02.040 You just had it up. 01:04:02.720 --> 01:04:03.140 Yeah, I did. 01:04:03.180 --> 01:04:07.860 Well, I went to, this actually was mailed, this actually was directly mailed to me, just 01:04:07.860 --> 01:04:08.560 so everyone knows. 01:04:08.680 --> 01:04:10.800 Was it actually mailed to the, uh, thing? 01:04:10.880 --> 01:04:13.980 But it was, but it was cool enough that no one else actually emailed it, so I put it 01:04:13.980 --> 01:04:14.540 on the radio show. 01:04:15.800 --> 01:04:17.000 Uh, I feel held loved. 01:04:17.240 --> 01:04:17.880 Hi, you're ratchet. 01:04:18.180 --> 01:04:19.720 I was listening to you in Strom. 01:04:20.580 --> 01:04:21.280 Yeah, in Strom. 01:04:21.420 --> 01:04:22.980 I thought, I, my dyslexia kicked in. 01:04:23.020 --> 01:04:24.260 I thought it said storm for a second. 01:04:24.260 --> 01:04:27.720 I was listening to you in Strom on the bin rev stream, and I heard you talking about 01:04:27.720 --> 01:04:30.020 XP Security Center and that annoying red shield. 01:04:30.560 --> 01:04:33.020 I'm sure you've already figured this out, but just in case. 01:04:33.500 --> 01:04:37.720 If you want to disable individual notifications of the whole shield applet, I do this completely 01:04:37.720 --> 01:04:38.440 do the following. 01:04:39.220 --> 01:04:41.880 Go to Start Control Panel Security Center. 01:04:42.300 --> 01:04:46.460 On the left-hand side is a box out named Resources, with a small bullet-pointed list 01:04:46.460 --> 01:04:47.560 of options underneath it. 01:04:48.260 --> 01:04:49.720 Select the last option on the list. 01:04:49.840 --> 01:04:52.240 This is called Change the Way Security Center Alerts Me. 01:04:52.680 --> 01:04:54.160 Three options are listed here. 01:04:54.640 --> 01:04:56.940 Firewall, Automatic Update, and Virus Protection. 01:04:57.500 --> 01:04:59.000 Each of these has its own tick box. 01:04:59.380 --> 01:05:00.460 Just untick the option. 01:05:00.520 --> 01:05:02.420 That's a checkbox for all of those of you who don't speak British. 01:05:02.760 --> 01:05:06.680 Just untick the option you don't want to be bothered by, or untick the item, or untick 01:05:06.680 --> 01:05:08.940 them all, and the shield will disappear from your desktop. 01:05:09.520 --> 01:05:11.840 Hope this helps, and if I'm way too late, sorry. 01:05:12.100 --> 01:05:12.640 Smiley face. 01:05:13.180 --> 01:05:14.240 Love the show, by the way. 01:05:14.240 --> 01:05:17.260 You have quite a following over here in England, i.e. as in England-Britain. 01:05:17.800 --> 01:05:20.880 I listen religiously, and that's saying something for an atheist. 01:05:21.180 --> 01:05:21.760 Smiley face. 01:05:22.280 --> 01:05:25.940 The stream this plays all day in my workshop, which slightly annoys my wife and cats, they 01:05:25.940 --> 01:05:29.220 prefer music, but seems to have a magnetic effect on clients, etc. 01:05:29.960 --> 01:05:31.960 Anyway, better scoot, it's nearly 5 a.m. here. 01:05:32.160 --> 01:05:35.100 Insomnia is a truly terrible thing, but I do some of my best work at night. 01:05:35.480 --> 01:05:36.920 Swings and roundabouts, I guess. 01:05:37.620 --> 01:05:38.020 See ya. 01:05:38.140 --> 01:05:40.720 It feels good to get in touch after listening to you for so long. 01:05:40.720 --> 01:05:43.620 Maybe I'll email the end of the show with something useful in the future. 01:05:43.920 --> 01:05:44.600 Anything's possible. 01:05:45.140 --> 01:05:46.840 Regards, and best wishes for the show. 01:05:47.060 --> 01:05:47.560 Rainy Day. 01:05:50.440 --> 01:05:54.560 Yeah, like I said, this got sent on my personal address, but no one else really talked about 01:05:54.560 --> 01:05:56.740 how to fix my problem that I ranted about. 01:05:57.740 --> 01:06:01.460 I did get sick and tired of the message, so I did break down and Google it, and I figured 01:06:01.460 --> 01:06:07.880 it out, but the exact solution was there that Rainy Day mentioned, and it was fixed, and 01:06:07.880 --> 01:06:11.620 so I'm just going to give him shouts out for, hey, at least actually sitting down and writing 01:06:11.620 --> 01:06:12.000 it to me. 01:06:15.360 --> 01:06:19.200 I'm very shocked that we have a magnetic effect on people. 01:06:19.440 --> 01:06:20.220 I'm shocked. 01:06:20.840 --> 01:06:22.600 How about you, whether it be the cats or people? 01:06:23.620 --> 01:06:26.880 I'm shocked that we have a magnetic effect on both people and cats. 01:06:28.600 --> 01:06:31.380 You just like the whole cat sex thing. 01:06:32.220 --> 01:06:37.860 Oh, I found the original dog balls image, which I will post into the forum. 01:06:37.880 --> 01:06:42.480 Oh, I just can't wait for that. 01:06:47.100 --> 01:06:48.600 Rainy Day, I'm glad you liked the show. 01:06:48.860 --> 01:06:50.040 Thank you very much for the compliments. 01:06:51.240 --> 01:06:56.100 I hope I didn't, you know, you said, you know, you might want to write in with something 01:06:56.100 --> 01:06:56.740 useful someday. 01:06:56.840 --> 01:06:59.020 This was useful, so we're reading it on the show. 01:06:59.320 --> 01:07:02.460 I hope I didn't, like, you know, do, like, a breach of trust or something. 01:07:03.100 --> 01:07:05.160 Oh, I emailed it to your personal address. 01:07:05.160 --> 01:07:08.700 I didn't mean for you to read it on the show, but it was handy, and you never know, it might 01:07:08.700 --> 01:07:12.080 actually fix somebody's problems sometime. 01:07:12.280 --> 01:07:12.800 You never know. 01:07:12.800 --> 01:07:18.840 We have a last email. 01:07:18.980 --> 01:07:20.340 I'm not sure if we want to read this. 01:07:20.420 --> 01:07:25.180 I actually think that I want to try to get this guy on the show, because he just did a 01:07:25.180 --> 01:07:28.360 very cool thing, and I think I want to probe him and see what else he can do with this. 01:07:28.900 --> 01:07:29.140 All right. 01:07:29.200 --> 01:07:32.880 Yeah, I read over it, and I think it would be better if he was a guest rather than just 01:07:32.880 --> 01:07:33.440 reading the email. 01:07:34.000 --> 01:07:35.200 So we're going to try to get him on. 01:07:35.200 --> 01:07:40.640 I told him to email the show, and I think I, I mean, I offered him to, when our guest 01:07:40.640 --> 01:07:42.520 bailed on us this evening, he didn't bail. 01:07:42.960 --> 01:07:44.300 I hate the term bail. 01:07:44.700 --> 01:07:47.800 I mean, he used it so he understands what actually it means, but at the same point, I 01:07:47.800 --> 01:07:50.700 just want to say, you know, you have an excuse. 01:07:50.860 --> 01:07:53.040 Bailing is just not showing up or something. 01:07:53.040 --> 01:08:01.640 But, you know, I tried to get him on, and basically he said to me, he IM'd me and said, 01:08:01.740 --> 01:08:02.980 you know, oh, I mailed it in. 01:08:03.040 --> 01:08:03.800 Can you read it on the show? 01:08:03.900 --> 01:08:05.640 And I said, oh, yeah, sure, I can read it on the show. 01:08:05.920 --> 01:08:10.680 And I sat down and I read it, and I checked all the links that he had, and I IM'd him 01:08:10.680 --> 01:08:13.960 back about 10 minutes later saying, dude, do you want to be on the show tonight? 01:08:14.600 --> 01:08:16.080 And he never got back to me. 01:08:16.240 --> 01:08:18.480 So we'll hopefully get him on. 01:08:18.580 --> 01:08:22.720 It's about TiVo hacking, and he did some very interesting things with his TiVo. 01:08:22.720 --> 01:08:28.340 And we'll try to actually get him on here and talk about it, because it was very cool. 01:08:30.280 --> 01:08:33.920 And, wow, we actually stretched this out to like an hour and 10 minutes so far. 01:08:34.040 --> 01:08:35.840 We still haven't done anything. 01:08:36.140 --> 01:08:41.980 Oh, yeah, well, Eggman in the channel had a question, which my IRC client crashed, and 01:08:41.980 --> 01:08:43.300 I lost the question. 01:08:43.300 --> 01:08:44.940 Oh, I think I can scroll up and get that. 01:08:45.220 --> 01:08:51.040 Basically, he was talking about how Verizon used to be... 01:08:51.040 --> 01:08:53.380 Oh, no, Hawaiian tele used to be Verizon, yeah. 01:08:54.020 --> 01:08:55.200 If you could read it in its entirety. 01:08:55.200 --> 01:08:55.980 Quick question for... 01:08:55.980 --> 01:08:56.180 Yeah. 01:08:56.360 --> 01:08:58.160 Yes, quick question to you telecom nuts. 01:08:58.220 --> 01:09:00.900 This is from Eggman on poundbinrev on irc.del.net. 01:09:01.220 --> 01:09:03.540 Out in here in Hawaii, we used to have Verizon. 01:09:03.720 --> 01:09:05.880 However, now we have Hawaiian telecom. 01:09:06.320 --> 01:09:11.140 After listening to the radio about telecoms, I am now curious who the hell owned them. 01:09:11.600 --> 01:09:12.200 Any idea? 01:09:12.600 --> 01:09:15.260 And how does that fit in with the rest of the telecoms around the country? 01:09:15.260 --> 01:09:17.260 All right, here's what happened. 01:09:17.400 --> 01:09:23.760 Hawaiian Telephone was an independent company which was bought by GTE sometime, I think, 01:09:23.860 --> 01:09:24.760 in the 70s. 01:09:24.820 --> 01:09:25.060 I don't know. 01:09:25.060 --> 01:09:26.660 I want to see if it's the 70s or the 60s. 01:09:27.660 --> 01:09:28.840 We're the one for you, Hawaii. 01:09:31.540 --> 01:09:32.140 I'm sorry. 01:09:32.340 --> 01:09:33.800 First thing that popped in my mind. 01:09:36.860 --> 01:09:38.740 I'm Charleston Heston for Contel. 01:09:38.740 --> 01:09:44.060 So, I'm Charleston for Contel. 01:09:44.340 --> 01:09:47.260 Buy this phone from my cold, dead hands. 01:09:48.820 --> 01:09:50.000 Let's go answer his question. 01:09:50.440 --> 01:09:50.540 Yeah. 01:09:50.860 --> 01:09:52.840 So, anyway, Hawaiian Tele was bought by GTE. 01:09:52.960 --> 01:09:54.320 I don't know exactly when. 01:09:54.400 --> 01:09:56.160 I want to say either the 60s or the 70s. 01:09:56.780 --> 01:10:05.740 And when GTE merged with Bell Atlantic, when GTE merged with Bell Atlantic, it became Verizon Hawaii. 01:10:05.740 --> 01:10:15.020 And then, I think, as part of their refocus on, for something, I don't know, I guess Hawaii wasn't high enough revenue for Verizon. 01:10:15.160 --> 01:10:17.400 So, Verizon's the best of the Hawaiian Telephone division. 01:10:17.920 --> 01:10:23.780 And I think Hawaiian Telephone is now just sitting there as an independent company, although it might get swallowed up by somebody else. 01:10:25.880 --> 01:10:29.160 Well, it looks like an excuse to go to Hawaii to go play on an independent. 01:10:29.440 --> 01:10:29.780 Yeah. 01:10:29.920 --> 01:10:32.880 Well, I mean, it's still pretty much all GTD5s and whatnot. 01:10:32.880 --> 01:10:36.100 But let me see, actually, if I can find their website and answer this live on the show. 01:10:37.520 --> 01:10:37.960 Yes. 01:10:38.040 --> 01:10:54.940 Actually, if you – I believe on oldschoolfreak.com, Dual Parallel went to Hawaii, and he photographed some payphones and some other telecom-related nonsense of – I believe then it was GTE. 01:10:54.940 --> 01:10:56.920 I think he went to pre-2000. 01:10:58.320 --> 01:11:06.420 Yeah, it's on oldschoolfreak.com, and if you don't know how to spell that URL, you know, tough doggies, go hang out in the forum, talk to Mattis, he'll tell you. 01:11:07.420 --> 01:11:08.640 But yes, yes. 01:11:11.800 --> 01:11:12.160 Hmm. 01:11:12.660 --> 01:11:13.800 Do they not have their own website? 01:11:15.200 --> 01:11:16.880 They have to have their own website. 01:11:16.880 --> 01:11:19.440 It's the 21st century. 01:11:23.000 --> 01:11:24.800 My cat has its own website. 01:11:24.820 --> 01:11:25.940 Ah, hawaiintel.com. 01:11:28.020 --> 01:11:29.180 So, let's see. 01:11:29.260 --> 01:11:32.120 Hawaiian Telecom, it looks like it's independent about us. 01:11:33.800 --> 01:11:34.380 It says, 01:11:34.780 --> 01:11:37.200 Hi, we're back and proud to be serving the islands. 01:11:37.540 --> 01:11:40.900 This is a brand-new chapter in our rich 122-year history in the islands. 01:11:41.380 --> 01:11:45.040 Great things are in store for our customers, the community, and for all of us at Hawaiian Telecom. 01:11:45.040 --> 01:11:47.600 Great things like dial tone. 01:11:47.880 --> 01:11:49.000 Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 01:11:49.020 --> 01:11:49.380 And ring. 01:11:49.960 --> 01:11:50.600 And busy. 01:11:51.500 --> 01:11:54.540 As an independent telecommunications company headquartered in Honolulu. 01:11:54.680 --> 01:11:56.040 Okay, so they are completely independent. 01:11:58.060 --> 01:11:58.700 So, yeah. 01:11:59.020 --> 01:12:02.500 As I thought, Verizon divested them, and they are now totally on their own. 01:12:06.860 --> 01:12:14.420 And sure enough, the person talking about the TiVo, 01:12:14.420 --> 01:12:17.080 just to end me back saying, did I miss your message? 01:12:20.520 --> 01:12:22.020 Anyway, we'll try to get him on another show, 01:12:22.140 --> 01:12:26.000 because he just did some very cool things, and that's what it is. 01:12:28.520 --> 01:12:31.140 So, where have you been over the past two weeks, Strom? 01:12:31.200 --> 01:12:34.120 We'll just sort of lightly gloss over personal hacking stories. 01:12:34.320 --> 01:12:34.900 Oh, let's see. 01:12:34.960 --> 01:12:38.300 I went to Chicago, and I played with the 1-8 yet. 01:12:38.300 --> 01:12:43.480 Or as a friend of mine who's from there and who's been smoking for, like, 01:12:43.640 --> 01:12:45.440 the better part of a half a decade, says, 01:12:45.780 --> 01:12:46.200 Chicago! 01:12:49.100 --> 01:12:50.060 But, uh... 01:12:50.060 --> 01:12:50.620 All right. 01:12:50.840 --> 01:12:51.040 Yeah. 01:12:51.440 --> 01:12:54.800 But, so no, I went there, had a good time, played with the 1-8 ESS, 01:12:54.880 --> 01:12:57.120 made some recordings, which I hope to be posting soon. 01:12:57.120 --> 01:13:05.240 Um, and then I, I've just been busy with that, and I've been exhausted from that. 01:13:05.940 --> 01:13:07.880 And now I'm recovering, so that's what I've been doing. 01:13:09.620 --> 01:13:10.020 Yes. 01:13:11.100 --> 01:13:12.460 Recovering by cleaning your apartment. 01:13:12.900 --> 01:13:13.060 Yeah. 01:13:13.220 --> 01:13:14.300 Well, no, I just thought of that today. 01:13:14.720 --> 01:13:18.060 I was like, you know, I'm living like a slob, so I'm going to clean up. 01:13:19.160 --> 01:13:20.780 Hell, I'm used to, like, living like a slob. 01:13:20.780 --> 01:13:25.640 Um, heck, my, people that came over to my, um, my apartment when I lived in, uh, 01:13:25.800 --> 01:13:28.860 actual Broston proper, god, that place was disgusting. 01:13:29.060 --> 01:13:33.080 We basically ignored the dishes until they were overflowing and just corrupted together. 01:13:33.260 --> 01:13:34.320 Hey, that sounds like my kitchen. 01:13:35.460 --> 01:13:36.000 Oh, wow. 01:13:36.200 --> 01:13:37.160 Oh, jeez, that fit right in. 01:13:37.900 --> 01:13:40.780 It was basically, who could ignore the dishes the longest out of, like, 01:13:40.800 --> 01:13:43.720 the six people that lived there in the three-bedroom apartment? 01:13:43.960 --> 01:13:44.140 Wow. 01:13:44.900 --> 01:13:47.180 Um, what have I been doing? 01:13:47.340 --> 01:13:48.340 Uh, I haven't been doing much. 01:13:48.340 --> 01:13:53.440 I've, um, I've been coding a lot more, and I've been fooling around with C Sharp and serial 01:13:53.440 --> 01:13:59.280 connections and, and network streams and TCP clients and C Sharp, and I've also been, uh, 01:13:59.280 --> 01:14:07.300 doing a lot of look at, uh, APRS and, uh, like we talked about last week, and Google Maps, 01:14:07.360 --> 01:14:10.460 and there's a lot of some stuff out there, but nothing like I'm picturing, so I might have 01:14:10.460 --> 01:14:11.260 a project soon. 01:14:11.800 --> 01:14:18.300 Oh, yes, and I also, uh, tied into, I, I, I, well, I'm starting to tie in, uh, 01:14:18.300 --> 01:14:24.960 yet another payphone list over to, um, Bell's Mind, so all of the Apple phones as of this 01:14:24.960 --> 01:14:29.840 afternoon are posted over in Bell's, uh, posted into Bell's Mind, so that's pretty cool. 01:14:31.300 --> 01:14:31.980 It was pretty neat. 01:14:32.060 --> 01:14:35.900 He was complaining that he had only, oh, I only had seven new phone number submissions 01:14:35.900 --> 01:14:37.880 this month, and I was like, well, let me give you all the Apple. 01:14:37.880 --> 01:14:44.600 So, instead of seven new phone numbers, uh, now we have, oh, 2400 something. 01:14:46.460 --> 01:14:52.060 Um, another thing that I want to say is go to bellsmind.net and submit numbers, damn it. 01:14:53.720 --> 01:14:54.980 Oh, I've got something cool. 01:14:56.020 --> 01:14:58.920 In cleaning up, I found a mini-disc I thought I had misplaced. 01:14:58.920 --> 01:15:04.840 Uh, a, a whole bunch of recordings of, uh, traffic operator position system from June 01:15:04.840 --> 01:15:10.020 of 2005, which I'll be editing, narrating, and putting on my site, uh, shortly. 01:15:11.580 --> 01:15:11.820 Mm. 01:15:13.140 --> 01:15:17.440 Well, like, people like me will be interested, but everyone's just like, Tops, what the hell 01:15:17.440 --> 01:15:17.680 is that? 01:15:18.160 --> 01:15:18.440 Yeah, Tops, yeah. 01:15:18.440 --> 01:15:19.400 But I'll listen to it, it's cool. 01:15:19.820 --> 01:15:23.000 Yeah, Tops, well, maybe I'll explain it and just play a short clip or something on the 01:15:23.000 --> 01:15:23.360 next show. 01:15:24.760 --> 01:15:25.660 Possibly, that's a good idea. 01:15:26.020 --> 01:15:26.220 Yeah. 01:15:26.220 --> 01:15:29.720 Um, finally, we have an announcement to make. 01:15:30.900 --> 01:15:31.280 We do? 01:15:31.460 --> 01:15:33.840 Um, I, yeah, I think we have an announcement to make. 01:15:34.300 --> 01:15:38.120 Uh, we, the, the DDP has created a new website. 01:15:38.300 --> 01:15:42.060 It's, uh, digitaldogpound.org, and we're trying to have a blog. 01:15:42.980 --> 01:15:47.160 Uh, the, we, we, I was told to announce this, or said that we, we could announce it. 01:15:47.160 --> 01:15:51.720 Uh, for those of you who don't know how to spell dog and all the, just the wonderful, um, 01:15:52.260 --> 01:15:56.000 things on the misspellings that we all use, it's, uh, tinyurl.com, 01:15:56.000 --> 01:15:58.660 slash, nine, golf, three, lima, alpha. 01:15:59.460 --> 01:16:00.080 Oh, well. 01:16:00.080 --> 01:16:02.980 So, digitaldogpound.org, D-A-W-G. 01:16:03.460 --> 01:16:09.540 Yeah, well, at, at least that has some roots in, like, uh, slang pronunciation versus, like, 01:16:09.640 --> 01:16:12.120 uh, what was the one that irritated me? 01:16:12.420 --> 01:16:13.020 Oh, yes. 01:16:13.700 --> 01:16:14.140 Amateur. 01:16:15.260 --> 01:16:16.200 Which is just... 01:16:16.200 --> 01:16:22.200 Also, oops is double O-P-S, not O-P-P-S. 01:16:22.200 --> 01:16:23.200 I just wanted to mention that. 01:16:25.220 --> 01:16:25.940 Now, that's... 01:16:25.940 --> 01:16:27.420 You, you, you could just type that fast. 01:16:28.060 --> 01:16:29.920 And, and really, that, that, it sounds the same. 01:16:30.000 --> 01:16:30.920 It's, it's, what is it? 01:16:31.340 --> 01:16:33.120 On, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on. 01:16:33.120 --> 01:16:34.380 No, it's oops versus ops. 01:16:36.140 --> 01:16:36.420 Whatever. 01:16:36.900 --> 01:16:37.440 It doesn't... 01:16:37.440 --> 01:16:38.000 Just shut up. 01:16:38.060 --> 01:16:39.000 Ops is O-P-S. 01:16:39.080 --> 01:16:40.300 So, you're misspelling it the other way. 01:16:40.440 --> 01:16:40.760 Yeah. 01:16:41.080 --> 01:16:41.440 Yeah. 01:16:41.440 --> 01:16:41.920 Yeah. 01:16:42.240 --> 01:16:42.720 Yeah. 01:16:43.560 --> 01:16:44.380 Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 01:16:44.720 --> 01:16:45.820 Uh, site of the week. 01:16:45.820 --> 01:16:48.100 Actually, do we have 01:16:48.100 --> 01:16:48.420 announcements? 01:16:49.480 --> 01:16:51.140 Not that we have announcements. Do you? 01:16:51.320 --> 01:16:52.500 I don't. What is it? 01:16:53.120 --> 01:16:55.420 Interzone, 10th through 12th in Atlanta, 01:16:56.120 --> 01:16:56.600 Nauticon 01:16:56.600 --> 01:16:59.460 in Cleveland. I don't remember the date. 01:16:59.840 --> 01:17:00.960 And when is Layer 1? 01:17:01.060 --> 01:17:03.340 Layer 1 is April. I want to say 01:17:03.340 --> 01:17:04.680 14th through 15th, 01:17:05.780 --> 01:17:07.300 but I closed that. 01:17:07.680 --> 01:17:09.960 Hang on, hang on. Layer 1... 01:17:09.960 --> 01:17:11.980 Yeah, it's April. We can plug it again. 01:17:12.200 --> 01:17:12.820 15th through 16th. 01:17:12.820 --> 01:17:13.860 Congratulations, you got it right. 01:17:15.820 --> 01:17:18.180 Shouts out to 01:17:18.180 --> 01:17:18.900 Useless. 01:17:20.080 --> 01:17:21.340 Shouts out to 01:17:21.340 --> 01:17:24.000 everyone else. And shouts out to 01:17:24.000 --> 01:17:25.980 Egghead, but, you know, man, you should have called in. 01:17:26.440 --> 01:17:28.100 And shouts out to everyone who called in this 01:17:28.100 --> 01:17:30.160 evening, and we actually... I think this show turned out 01:17:30.160 --> 01:17:31.800 rather well. Yeah, it did. Not like our 01:17:31.800 --> 01:17:33.660 previous shows, of just going there going, 01:17:34.260 --> 01:17:36.220 uh... What are we going to talk about now? 01:17:36.480 --> 01:17:36.700 Yeah. 01:17:37.860 --> 01:17:39.040 But yeah. Do you have any shouts? 01:17:40.600 --> 01:17:42.220 Not that I can think 01:17:42.220 --> 01:17:43.220 of off the top of my head, no. 01:17:44.740 --> 01:17:45.100 Alright. 01:17:45.820 --> 01:17:46.800 Uh, site of the week. 01:17:47.040 --> 01:17:48.320 We're just going to shouts it out here. 01:17:48.760 --> 01:17:50.440 Hexrev.com. This was sent in to us 01:17:50.440 --> 01:17:51.280 by StankDog. 01:17:52.060 --> 01:17:53.060 So, uh, go visit 01:17:53.060 --> 01:17:55.200 Hexrev.com and go see how it's well done. 01:17:55.400 --> 01:17:57.040 Oh, my announcement is that I have been 01:17:57.040 --> 01:17:58.680 actually accepted to speak at Layer 1. 01:17:59.140 --> 01:18:00.020 So, if you want to... 01:18:00.020 --> 01:18:00.740 Oh, congratulations! 01:18:01.120 --> 01:18:02.340 Yeah, if you guys want to come hear me 01:18:02.340 --> 01:18:03.980 speak at Layer 1, uh, 01:18:04.200 --> 01:18:05.680 come hear me speak at Layer 1. 01:18:06.960 --> 01:18:08.280 I'm going to try to get into 01:18:08.280 --> 01:18:10.240 hope. I have a presentation that's 01:18:10.240 --> 01:18:12.180 currently in the embryonic stage, and we'll... 01:18:12.180 --> 01:18:12.420 Mm-hmm. 01:18:12.420 --> 01:18:13.840 Hopefully that'll work out. 01:18:14.640 --> 01:18:15.560 Um, email 01:18:15.560 --> 01:18:17.300 Radio at BinRev.com 01:18:17.300 --> 01:18:20.240 Uh, our closing music tonight is by, uh, 01:18:20.400 --> 01:18:21.980 it's on from ocremix.org. 01:18:22.080 --> 01:18:22.980 It's, uh, Disco Dam. 01:18:23.840 --> 01:18:24.280 Sorry. 01:18:24.460 --> 01:18:25.420 Disco Dan. 01:18:26.200 --> 01:18:27.440 As opposed to Disco Duck. 01:18:27.500 --> 01:18:27.880 Zelda, Link's... 01:18:27.880 --> 01:18:29.240 Disco Duck. 01:18:29.360 --> 01:18:30.180 Oh, that's a good handle. 01:18:31.040 --> 01:18:31.560 Damn. 01:18:32.280 --> 01:18:33.320 Uh, Disco Duck. 01:18:33.320 --> 01:18:36.600 I actually didn't mean to say that, but... 01:18:36.600 --> 01:18:38.800 Disco Dan, uh, Zelda, Link's Awakening, 01:18:38.980 --> 01:18:40.440 Braving the Telltale Heights. 01:18:41.340 --> 01:18:43.440 They have such weird titles for remixes. 01:18:44.020 --> 01:18:44.280 Yeah. 01:18:44.900 --> 01:18:46.620 Uh, do we have anything else we want to say? 01:18:46.780 --> 01:18:48.000 Not that I can think of. 01:18:48.780 --> 01:18:49.320 All right. 01:18:49.420 --> 01:18:51.860 So, as always, we will see you next week. 01:18:52.400 --> 01:18:53.600 Same hack time. 01:18:54.060 --> 01:18:54.540 Same. 01:18:55.220 --> 01:18:55.660 Hack. 01:18:56.660 --> 01:18:57.060 Channel. 01:18:58.740 --> 01:19:00.040 Boy, could you just say that any slower? 01:19:00.040 --> 01:19:02.500 Channel. 01:19:30.040 --> 01:19:36.460 Oh, yeah. 01:19:41.220 --> 01:19:42.460 Bye-bye. 01:19:42.460 --> 01:19:42.800 Bye-bye. 01:19:42.920 --> 01:19:43.280 Bye-bye. 01:19:43.560 --> 01:19:43.880 Bye-bye. 01:19:43.880 --> 01:19:45.840 Bye-bye. 01:19:46.040 --> 01:19:50.640 Bye-bye. 01:19:57.920 --> 01:19:58.140 Bye-bye. 01:19:58.160 --> 01:19:59.000 Bye-bye. 01:19:59.020 --> 01:19:59.520 Bye-bye. 01:19:59.520 --> 01:19:59.720 Bye-bye. 01:20:00.040 --> 01:20:30.020 Thank you. 01:20:30.040 --> 01:21:00.020 Thank you. 01:21:00.040 --> 01:21:30.020 Thank you. 01:21:30.040 --> 01:22:00.020 Thank you. 01:22:00.040 --> 01:22:30.020 Thank you. 01:22:30.040 --> 01:23:00.020 Thank you. 01:23:00.040 --> 01:23:30.020 Thank you. 01:23:30.040 --> 01:24:00.020 Thank you. 01:24:00.040 --> 01:24:30.020 Thank you. 01:24:30.040 --> 01:25:00.020 Thank you.