WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:09.560 This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers, to the hackers and the crackers. 00:10.020 --> 00:15.640 I see in binary, I speak source code, step on my toes, I'll post a million jpegs of you 00:15.640 --> 00:16.560 in a fag poem. 00:16.820 --> 00:21.820 In your digital stance, getting firewalled ho, cause I'm riding the net in my six foe. 00:22.000 --> 00:26.560 I was a dick with my 56, now with my cable I'm able to get that stable. 00:26.560 --> 00:32.580 On the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo. On the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm a hero. 00:32.800 --> 00:38.480 In a flash, I'll screw you on burning dreamcast. You need some ISO? Let me through my hard drive rifle. 00:38.820 --> 00:43.640 Our exchange, you could never stifle. In a digital hug, you just caught the love bug. 00:43.920 --> 00:47.660 I bootlegged your CD, I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z. 00:48.000 --> 00:52.220 Your CG, it's all gonna be free, whether we take it by force or we take it nicely. 00:52.340 --> 00:56.400 You feel that rattling your bones when I tell you we just hacked out Jones? 00:56.560 --> 01:00.840 And NASDAQ leaves you a fight on your back, cause I am he who loves to hack and crack. 01:01.220 --> 01:03.620 Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack. 01:04.080 --> 01:06.540 This is dedicated to the hackers and the crew. 01:07.180 --> 01:11.420 Serial code, source code, ISO, RAM, SIPC. 01:11.420 --> 01:19.060 Hello everyone and welcome to Binary Revolution Radio episode number 134 for February 7th, 2006. 01:19.340 --> 01:20.240 I'm Strom Carlson. 01:20.760 --> 01:21.620 And I'm Black Ratchet. 01:22.580 --> 01:26.680 And we, we, I'm not even sure who we have. We have, we have all kinds of guests tonight. 01:27.000 --> 01:30.940 Yes, but our, our, our main guest is a very special guest for BINREV Radio. 01:31.380 --> 01:33.940 The one, the only, well, Mark Spencer. 01:35.480 --> 01:38.800 Actually, there are many, many other Mark Spencers as it turns out. 01:39.860 --> 01:41.600 Oh yes, well, but, but, but see. 01:41.660 --> 01:43.460 It's a surprisingly common name. 01:44.280 --> 01:47.780 I can imagine, but see, the thing is, you're the, of all the other Mark Spencers out there, 01:47.820 --> 01:49.180 you're the only Mark Spencer that matters. 01:50.520 --> 01:53.800 Oh, thank you. That's very flattering. 01:54.520 --> 01:54.860 Wow. 01:56.700 --> 01:58.420 Who, who, who else do we have? 01:58.620 --> 02:02.160 And we're, we're, we're, we're apparently talking to the, uh, Digium conference room tonight. 02:02.160 --> 02:05.120 So, who, who, who else do we have in the conference room this evening? 02:06.260 --> 02:13.320 Well, we have Junkie, uh, well, Claude Patrick, but he's generally, uh, at least until yesterday, 02:13.420 --> 02:14.420 was known as Junkie. 02:14.820 --> 02:17.800 And apparently, as of yesterday, is now known as Drunkie. 02:17.800 --> 02:23.600 But, uh, also we have Matt Brooks, a.k.a. Chef. 02:24.700 --> 02:25.060 Brookshire. 02:25.260 --> 02:27.280 Or Brookshire, one of the others. 02:27.860 --> 02:35.640 Uh, who is, uh, the, uh, main, like, internal development guy here for all the web stuff that 02:35.640 --> 02:37.560 we have to have, order systems and all that. 02:37.960 --> 02:41.440 Junkie, uh, is an asterisk developer that doesn't really work for us. 02:41.500 --> 02:42.460 He's just kind of hanging out. 02:43.660 --> 02:45.080 Well, I want to hang out at Digium. 02:45.440 --> 02:46.560 I want to be cool like them. 02:47.560 --> 02:49.260 Well, cool, we'll just come on down. 02:49.660 --> 02:50.660 It's, uh, pretty cool. 02:52.500 --> 02:52.860 Huh. 02:53.000 --> 02:54.860 So, yes, we have all kinds of people this evening. 02:54.980 --> 02:59.160 We're just going to talk about, it's going to be rather free-flowing. 02:59.320 --> 03:03.060 We, the original rule of the episode was going to be, you know, we're going to try to stay 03:03.060 --> 03:05.560 away from asterisk and stay away from, uh, game, but. 03:05.760 --> 03:09.140 Yeah, because those are the, for those of you who don't know who Mark Spencer is, shame 03:09.140 --> 03:09.260 on you. 03:09.260 --> 03:09.440 Yes. 03:09.580 --> 03:12.340 But, uh, for those of you who don't know who Mark Spencer is, he is the original author 03:12.340 --> 03:13.680 of both Asterisk and Game. 03:13.680 --> 03:18.580 Um, and I figured, hey, let's bring him on here, but since all he ever talks about everywhere 03:18.580 --> 03:22.840 else is just asterisk and game, asterisk and game, let's talk about something which isn't 03:22.840 --> 03:23.720 either of those two. 03:23.720 --> 03:29.820 And, uh, so, the original intent, yes, is to try and do something which isn't asterisk 03:29.820 --> 03:30.240 and game. 03:30.440 --> 03:35.280 So, we'll start off on that, and then we'll see what, uh, what happens. 03:35.420 --> 03:40.420 Judging from how we were talking before the show, uh, it quickly devolved into, uh, asterisk, 03:40.520 --> 03:42.320 uh, game and, uh, voiceover IP. 03:42.620 --> 03:43.420 So, yeah. 03:44.100 --> 03:47.100 We, we, we don't know what actually happened, but it may happen. 03:47.100 --> 03:51.600 Oh, and by the way, we are live tonight, so if you, uh, if you guys are listening and 03:51.600 --> 03:56.100 you want to call in with your questions, our call-in number from the continental U.S., I 03:56.100 --> 04:03.640 think maybe from Alaska and Hawaii, is 888-9-BINREV, 888-9-BINREV, and if you're calling from outside 04:03.640 --> 04:09.160 the United States, you can reach us by calling area code 213, uh, country code 1, area code 04:09.160 --> 04:11.100 213-415-1047. 04:11.100 --> 04:17.420 And, and, and, yeah, we also have a new surprise for those of you listening live in the U.K., 04:17.420 --> 04:22.460 all three of you, because why are you listening to the show at 2.30 a.m.? 04:22.460 --> 04:25.340 You, you, you're, you're pretty hardcore if you're doing that, but they are a dedicated 04:25.340 --> 04:26.080 hardcore fan. 04:27.680 --> 04:29.080 Do you have the number, or shall I? 04:29.760 --> 04:30.920 Um, I think you have the number. 04:30.980 --> 04:31.520 I don't have it in front of me. 04:31.520 --> 04:32.600 Yeah, okay, I didn't know if you had it. 04:32.840 --> 04:40.000 The, uh, the U.K. call-in line, uh, uh, graciously donated by, uh, uh, uh, I forget, 04:40.000 --> 04:48.880 Sasser, Sasser, if you donated it, um, is a 0845-646-0102. 04:49.060 --> 04:54.600 So, 0845-646-0102. 04:54.800 --> 05:00.540 And he was, he was very courteous to, uh, give us one of our, his spare D.I.D.s, and, hey, 05:00.580 --> 05:04.080 if you guys use it and he needs to call it for something else, we may just actually get 05:04.080 --> 05:09.360 a real U.K. phone-in number for all your phoning-in needs from the United Kingdom. 05:10.000 --> 05:14.400 Um, the, the one request that we do do, if you do call in, this, this, this is not 05:14.400 --> 05:21.440 a show to diagnose your extension.com for your musiconhold.com for, how do I park calls? 05:21.940 --> 05:22.380 Yeah. 05:22.580 --> 05:23.660 No, ask, ask. 05:23.660 --> 05:25.020 Troubleshooting, no tech support. 05:25.560 --> 05:28.560 This is, uh, our, our 90-minute show, let's not ruin it. 05:28.760 --> 05:33.000 We have the lovely, talented Dr. Zygman answering and screening our calls tonight. 05:33.280 --> 05:36.480 So, hello, Zygman, wherever you are on the other end of our voice line. 05:36.480 --> 05:41.060 Actually, Zygman's probably kicking himself because he didn't get the answer, he's not 05:41.060 --> 05:42.680 going to get to ask all the questions he wanted to. 05:44.040 --> 05:48.420 Well, he, he was, he wasn't, he, he was the one who was complaining about his, uh, lug 05:48.420 --> 05:51.120 meeting that everyone was talking to Mark about their extensions.com. 05:51.520 --> 05:52.080 Oh, yeah. 05:53.160 --> 05:56.300 Sure, I'm sure, well, I'm sure Mark can tell us that story from his point of view, too. 05:56.500 --> 05:58.620 Yeah, true, yeah, that's just, considering that he's right there. 05:58.620 --> 06:05.400 Well, uh, I don't know, I mean, you go to different trade shows and you get different 06:05.400 --> 06:13.720 kinds of, of, uh, questions that, that people tend to ask you, so, uh, there are a lot of 06:13.720 --> 06:17.620 them that I, you know, it's kind of cool to get some technical questions every now and 06:17.620 --> 06:23.320 then when, when I'm in that environment, um, because a lot of times, you know, you, you 06:23.320 --> 06:26.620 kind of get the same standard set of, uh, of questions. 06:26.740 --> 06:30.900 Actually, one of the, the coolest shows that I've been to recently was the Emerging Telephony 06:30.900 --> 06:31.420 Conference. 06:32.640 --> 06:34.340 Oh, yeah, the one up in San Francisco recently. 06:34.900 --> 06:35.600 Yeah, exactly. 06:36.020 --> 06:42.580 And, uh, and what really sort of set it apart was that, you know, I've always said, well, 06:42.580 --> 06:47.780 if you build an open source, uh, you know, Asterisk platform, then, you know, there'll be 06:47.780 --> 06:52.380 lots of people that'll come up with creative new applications for doing cool stuff with it. 06:52.380 --> 06:57.100 Um, and at Emerging Telephony, it was cool to actually get to see that there were people 06:57.100 --> 07:03.180 doing cool applications, like this guy that had the setup so that you could pay, uh, for 07:03.180 --> 07:08.300 parking via your phone, putting in your credit card number and having little sensors underneath 07:08.300 --> 07:11.700 the car that detect when you drive away and then it sends you an SMS with your bill. 07:12.480 --> 07:14.240 Uh, that was the Spark Parking people. 07:14.840 --> 07:16.160 Ooh, that's, that's neat. 07:16.580 --> 07:17.840 Yeah, it was pretty clever. 07:18.240 --> 07:22.360 And then there were some things where you could, like, leave these little audio blogs. 07:22.380 --> 07:26.000 with a little sticker, so if you walked by somewhere and you had a story about it, you 07:26.000 --> 07:30.880 could just leave this sticker that had a unique number on it, and then people could call a 07:30.880 --> 07:34.820 main number and then enter in that sticker's number and then hear your story about that 07:34.820 --> 07:35.380 place. 07:36.400 --> 07:37.080 That sounds cool. 07:38.300 --> 07:38.700 Yeah. 07:38.940 --> 07:44.800 Oh, see, I, I just, I'm a great implementation stuff, but I just never have ideas, and I can't 07:44.800 --> 07:46.240 think of these fun, exciting things. 07:47.140 --> 07:49.480 I'm just a boring techie person, I guess. 07:49.780 --> 07:51.060 Too boring techie person to you. 07:51.140 --> 07:51.400 Yes. 07:51.480 --> 07:53.140 And look at that, we're already talking about Asterisk. 07:53.200 --> 07:54.300 Boy, that, that didn't take long. 07:55.000 --> 08:00.120 So, how about that, let's, since this is rapidly devolving into nonsense, let's get into our 08:00.120 --> 08:01.120 email theme. 08:02.280 --> 08:03.040 Don't you think? 08:03.640 --> 08:04.980 I, I think that's a good idea. 08:05.160 --> 08:05.880 So, go right ahead. 08:05.880 --> 08:33.920 Our first email tonight is from Anonymous, and Anonymous writes, Dear BinRev Radio, Episode 08:33.920 --> 08:35.460 132 was quite enjoyable. 08:35.460 --> 08:36.800 You guys are doing a great job. 08:37.240 --> 08:41.500 Regarding Hawaiian telecom, Verizon Hawaii was purchased by the Carlyle Group, a loving, 08:41.700 --> 08:43.460 caring, multinational conglomerate. 08:43.920 --> 08:46.740 Verizon Wireless and Federal Services were not part of the transaction. 08:47.340 --> 08:48.520 Again, great job. 08:50.220 --> 08:50.740 Anonymous. 08:51.320 --> 08:52.280 Anonymous, yes. 08:52.420 --> 08:52.900 Ooh. 08:53.480 --> 08:55.180 We've got anonymous people sneaking on here. 08:55.640 --> 08:55.760 Yeah. 08:57.020 --> 08:58.060 Well, thank you. 08:58.220 --> 09:01.480 I did some search on this for a completely different reason. 09:01.480 --> 09:08.740 I was, but I think, like, right after the episode aired, I was, I was looking at phoneswarm.com. 09:09.440 --> 09:13.360 For those of you who don't know, it's, it's basically, it's a website that profiles a different 09:13.360 --> 09:16.840 payphone that takes phone calls every week or so. 09:16.840 --> 09:20.340 It's a different, a different payphone every couple of weeks or so, and it's, to the goal 09:20.340 --> 09:27.480 is just get as many humanly, many people as humanly possible to call it, and just, you 09:27.480 --> 09:29.000 know, talk to random people who answer it. 09:29.060 --> 09:29.740 It's very interesting. 09:30.260 --> 09:32.120 So, uh, phoneswarm.com, they're fun. 09:32.440 --> 09:35.120 They actually link to, uh, Yappel, so I can plug them for that. 09:35.700 --> 09:40.400 Um, and they, they actually profiled this phone in Hawaii, and I was adding it over into 09:40.400 --> 09:44.260 Yappel, because that's what I, I like to do, and, uh, I, I couldn't remember if it was 09:44.260 --> 09:47.680 Hawaii or Hawaiian telecom, so I googled the hell out of it, and I actually did find out 09:47.680 --> 09:54.880 all about the, the Carlyle Group and Verizon Hawaii and all this approval nonsense and everyone 09:54.880 --> 09:57.680 complaining that they're going to lose their telephone and everything's going to be horrible, 09:57.680 --> 09:59.460 but so far, so good, I don't know. 10:00.400 --> 10:01.880 Um, you, you were right on the money. 10:02.100 --> 10:02.780 Interesting stuff. 10:02.880 --> 10:04.920 Thank you so much for, uh, giving that information. 10:05.480 --> 10:09.880 Um, and also, I just wanted to say to this anonymous person, uh, thanks for the compliment. 10:10.160 --> 10:13.860 Um, you, you did sign anonymous, but I did see who it came from, and I'd just like to say 10:13.860 --> 10:14.280 thank you. 10:14.580 --> 10:16.360 It means a lot coming from someone like you. 10:19.180 --> 10:21.000 Anonymous to our listeners, but not to the host. 10:21.320 --> 10:22.020 Yes, exactly. 10:22.140 --> 10:23.280 We know who you are. 10:23.600 --> 10:25.480 We know what you did last weekend. 10:25.480 --> 10:28.100 I actually know what you did last Tuesday, anyway. 10:28.260 --> 10:29.780 We know what you did last Tuesday, yes. 10:30.520 --> 10:31.480 I don't think it was last Tuesday. 10:31.560 --> 10:33.140 He probably was listening in the archives, I assume. 10:33.360 --> 10:34.200 Maybe he listened to live. 10:34.600 --> 10:36.140 Hey, if you're, if you're listening, call on in. 10:36.180 --> 10:37.540 We'll just, we'll just give you a shout there. 10:37.700 --> 10:37.940 Yeah. 10:38.180 --> 10:38.500 Anyway. 10:39.260 --> 10:40.320 All right. 10:40.800 --> 10:45.700 Our next email is from Ill Omen, and he writes, I assume it's a he. 10:45.960 --> 10:49.500 Dear Black Ratchet and Strom Carlson, I've been, hello. 10:49.500 --> 10:55.840 Oh, I think, I think, you know it's a bad sign, you know, okay, you know it's a bad sign 10:55.840 --> 10:57.460 when, like, Digium just goes quiet on you. 10:57.660 --> 10:57.880 Yeah. 10:58.520 --> 11:02.280 Well, that's because I had to, I've got to run a quick test here, and so I was meeting 11:02.280 --> 11:04.120 you so you wouldn't have to hear all this testing stuff. 11:04.120 --> 11:04.440 Okay. 11:04.900 --> 11:08.120 Well, yeah, the background noise went away, and I'm like, ah, what happened? 11:09.080 --> 11:09.840 Comfort noise! 11:10.000 --> 11:11.160 It's a comfort noise! 11:11.240 --> 11:12.680 He's not feeling comfortable enough! 11:13.040 --> 11:13.400 Sorry. 11:13.580 --> 11:13.820 Okay. 11:13.820 --> 11:13.880 Okay. 11:16.880 --> 11:18.100 That's the girls talking. 11:18.100 --> 11:18.740 Never mind. 11:20.420 --> 11:24.460 Dear Black Ratchet and Strom Carlson, I've been listening to the show for just over a month 11:24.460 --> 11:25.300 now, and I love it. 11:25.640 --> 11:28.740 Though I haven't had the chance to catch you all live yet, I hope to in the future. 11:29.380 --> 11:34.940 During episode 127, Virtual Studio 2005 does not suck, you all, Black Ratchet and Not Theory, 11:34.940 --> 11:41.000 talked about several phones, including the Sidekick, Q-Tec 8010, iMate SP3, and the now-released 11:41.000 --> 11:42.920 Trio 700, and have a few questions. 11:44.580 --> 11:44.820 Okay. 11:45.420 --> 11:47.580 One, what's your thoughts on the BlackBerry device? 11:48.100 --> 11:50.760 Two, what's your love-hate relationship with the sidekick? 11:51.240 --> 11:56.080 Three, I've been thinking more on the Trio 650 or the Trio 700, both specifically on the 11:56.080 --> 11:59.660 developmental features, the Trio 650 Java, Trio700.net. 11:59.960 --> 12:03.120 For someone who tends to move from country to country, which would you recommend? 12:03.620 --> 12:07.000 I don't want to have to purchase a new cell phone every time I move to a new country. 12:07.800 --> 12:10.660 Four, overall, what is your all-time favorite cell phone? 12:11.320 --> 12:12.260 Sincerely, Ill Omen. 12:14.400 --> 12:19.440 Well, I fired this question off the Not Theory, but he's in the middle of some real-life things 12:19.440 --> 12:23.280 right now, so he couldn't answer it, I guess, because he hasn't emailed me back yet. 12:23.660 --> 12:25.720 Unless he emailed me recently, but I haven't checked it yet. 12:25.720 --> 12:30.460 But I will attempt to answer your questions as best as I can. 12:31.480 --> 12:33.560 Number one, your BlackBerry question. 12:33.860 --> 12:40.880 BlackBerry's a nice, I talked to Natus, my resident BlackBerry expert, or our resident 12:40.880 --> 12:42.360 BlackBerry expert. 12:43.000 --> 12:44.820 He said, and I quote, 12:44.820 --> 12:56.960 He then went on to say, apparently, that in CDMA, if you receive data and a voice call 12:56.960 --> 13:03.460 at the same time, the CDMA gives a voice to the data, I'm sorry, gives data the priority. 13:04.160 --> 13:08.720 So basically, the call would instantly drop to voicemail while you were doing some type 13:08.720 --> 13:09.420 of data things. 13:09.940 --> 13:11.480 I don't know exactly how that works. 13:11.480 --> 13:15.580 He says that may have been fixed in the new version of the software, which is version 13:15.580 --> 13:16.660 4.1, apparently. 13:18.020 --> 13:21.500 He also said, if he had to find some type of fault with it, he said he didn't like the 13:21.500 --> 13:27.880 free SecureShell client that it comes with, but the one that cost $90 rocks, apparently, 13:28.120 --> 13:32.620 which I don't understand how anyone can charge $90 for a SecureShell client, but we won't 13:32.620 --> 13:33.120 get into that. 13:34.280 --> 13:35.040 Yeah, I know. 13:35.140 --> 13:35.840 Tell me about it. 13:35.840 --> 13:43.980 And the browser, the web browser, compared to the sidekick slash hiptop sucks. 13:46.000 --> 13:51.420 As for number two, which is the love-hate relationship with the sidekick, both not theory and now 13:51.420 --> 13:57.040 myself as well, I'm totally not digging the fact that the hiptop development process is 13:57.040 --> 13:58.160 locked up tighter than a drum. 13:58.160 --> 14:04.480 In order to develop on it, you need to get a developer's key, which is, I'm not exactly 14:04.480 --> 14:05.520 sure what it is entirely. 14:05.660 --> 14:06.780 I've never actually seen it. 14:07.600 --> 14:08.800 It's just a string of numbers. 14:09.060 --> 14:09.560 It is? 14:09.820 --> 14:14.660 Yeah, there's like something you plug into your phone and there's some soft, you download 14:14.660 --> 14:20.160 a different version of the software and I forget exactly what, but actually, I could talk to 14:20.160 --> 14:20.580 one of my friends. 14:20.680 --> 14:22.980 Apparently, he was a developer for the color sidekick. 14:22.980 --> 14:27.000 He signed up for their development program, which was apparently very easy to get into 14:27.000 --> 14:31.100 during the color sidekick, but when the sidekick two came out, that's when they started cracking 14:31.100 --> 14:33.140 down on it because people started really messing with it. 14:33.420 --> 14:37.460 Yeah, one of my friends who used to work for Danger actually gave me a developer key, but 14:37.460 --> 14:40.860 I never used it because I wasn't sure whether or not. 14:40.960 --> 14:44.560 I think I had just switched phones and I wasn't sure whether the radio software was working 14:44.560 --> 14:47.040 correctly and I didn't want to void the warranty or whatever. 14:47.880 --> 14:48.920 Hey, Strom, you still got that key? 14:49.100 --> 14:49.460 Hey, hey. 14:49.980 --> 14:50.240 Yeah. 14:50.240 --> 14:53.060 Well, no, the thing is, I think it's tied to your device's IMEI. 14:53.140 --> 14:55.640 Now that I've replaced the phone, I don't think it's going to work anymore. 14:56.000 --> 14:56.540 Oh, that sucks. 14:57.020 --> 14:57.320 That sucks. 14:58.060 --> 14:59.340 As stated, it sucks. 15:00.060 --> 15:01.380 It's incredibly horrible. 15:01.860 --> 15:04.080 You have to sign your soul over to them with the official one. 15:04.140 --> 15:06.380 I guess if you know someone who works at Danger, it's kind of easier. 15:06.800 --> 15:07.020 Mm-hmm. 15:07.020 --> 15:13.580 And also, if you do become a developer, you can't release your software unless it's through 15:13.580 --> 15:19.160 Danger, the manufacturer, or the cell phone provider, like T-Mobile or Suncom or whatever 15:19.160 --> 15:20.860 your cell phone provider is. 15:20.860 --> 15:28.860 Now, if we compare this to, say, like a Windows mobile phone, or I assume BlackBerrys are like 15:28.860 --> 15:30.080 this as well, although I'm not sure. 15:31.540 --> 15:35.580 Basically, I can bang out a program after the show tonight, put it up on my website by 15:35.580 --> 15:40.300 midnight, and at 1201, as soon as it's done uploading, you can grab it and install it on 15:40.300 --> 15:41.600 your Windows mobile phone. 15:41.840 --> 15:46.260 And it'll, you know, everyone will enjoy it and use it, and I'll become a hero, and I'll 15:46.260 --> 15:47.320 be more famous than Mark Spencer. 15:47.320 --> 15:54.140 Um, it's basically, the process is annoying, and basically, I never really started, I never 15:54.140 --> 15:55.720 really started noticing it. 15:56.200 --> 16:00.300 I mean, Not Theory pointed this out a year ago, and I just was never really into the whole 16:00.300 --> 16:05.380 mobile development thing, but when I started really messing around with Visual Studio 2005 16:05.380 --> 16:12.020 and mobile development, and just really mucking about with it, it was like, wow, I really wish 16:12.020 --> 16:15.760 I could do this on my sidekick, but no such luck. 16:17.320 --> 16:25.600 Um, as for number three, about the whole international country thing, um, I don't know, ask Verizon. 16:25.780 --> 16:30.400 I don't think CDMA is supported at all over Europe or any other foreign country. 16:30.640 --> 16:33.920 I know the sidekick, actually, you can take it to every country I look at it. 16:34.060 --> 16:35.940 It's a tri-band GSM. 16:35.940 --> 16:41.720 Um, well, yeah, but, I mean, GSM, but the, I believe the current, or at least the 700W 16:41.720 --> 16:47.400 that's released now is, um, whatever it is, it's, it's, it's CDMA only. 16:47.700 --> 16:47.900 Yeah. 16:48.000 --> 16:48.720 I could be wrong. 16:48.940 --> 16:49.800 Yeah, no, I could hear it. 16:49.800 --> 16:51.760 There's, there's, there's one that's coming out with GSM. 16:51.940 --> 16:55.880 It's coming out with, uh, Edge, and that, that's what they're trying to push for it, but. 16:57.240 --> 16:58.260 Yeah, who cares? 16:58.780 --> 16:59.340 I don't know. 16:59.380 --> 17:00.260 Talk, talk to Verizon. 17:00.520 --> 17:03.980 I, I don't think it'll support it, but I'm, I'm not going to go on either way on this. 17:04.340 --> 17:09.160 I think if you might get a Trio 650, it could be supported better, because I think some 17:09.160 --> 17:12.880 of those support GSM, but as of now, the 700s, I believe, only support CDMA. 17:12.880 --> 17:17.540 Um, number four, favorite, uh, cell phone. 17:17.740 --> 17:21.540 Um, I like my Sidekick, maybe because it's the best one that I've used, because it has 17:21.540 --> 17:26.280 all the PDA stuff in it, and it's got a very bitchin' form factor. 17:27.060 --> 17:32.500 Um, the phone that I previously had was a, uh, Nokia 5165, the candy bar phone. 17:33.040 --> 17:34.100 Dude, those things rocked. 17:34.140 --> 17:34.500 Oh, yeah. 17:35.180 --> 17:36.000 I love those. 17:36.280 --> 17:39.820 Those, those, those are like a nice, those are very nice, just like, it felt like a phone 17:39.820 --> 17:40.500 when you were using it. 17:40.500 --> 17:44.940 The only thing I didn't like about it is that if you, like, over, like, a year, the 17:44.940 --> 17:47.360 battery would start to become so loose, you couldn't use it anymore. 17:47.920 --> 17:49.100 Yeah, I hated that. 17:49.520 --> 17:52.500 Yeah, and I, I, I went to, like, two batteries, and it truly drove me about batty. 17:53.580 --> 17:58.340 Um, my also personal other favorite phone is a nice, one of the original Motorola StarTACs. 17:59.080 --> 18:03.500 Um, those, those are, those are just, they just have a very nice tactile feel to them. 18:03.640 --> 18:05.900 I had one of those in the late 90s. 18:06.520 --> 18:09.140 Yeah, on, on the analog Verizon network. 18:10.500 --> 18:12.540 Yeah, I, I don't think they ever made digital ones, did they? 18:12.540 --> 18:13.100 No, they did. 18:13.180 --> 18:15.160 They, they certainly did make digital StarTACs. 18:15.380 --> 18:15.860 Oh, really? 18:16.040 --> 18:16.320 Yeah. 18:16.360 --> 18:16.860 I didn't know that. 18:17.640 --> 18:19.220 Well, only the ones that I've seen were analog. 18:20.120 --> 18:24.600 Um, so I, I guess if they're digital, I guess you can use them, but good luck finding them 18:24.600 --> 18:24.760 now. 18:24.840 --> 18:26.960 I, I don't think you'll really find any. 18:27.180 --> 18:30.340 Well, I think also the major carriers are all moving away from TDMA in the first place, 18:30.440 --> 18:30.620 so. 18:30.700 --> 18:31.100 Oh, true. 18:31.180 --> 18:32.380 Yeah, they're all TDMA, aren't they? 18:32.460 --> 18:33.160 Yeah, they just think so. 18:33.160 --> 18:34.340 So that's what I was thinking of. 18:35.480 --> 18:37.380 Um, Tom, what's your favorite cell phone? 18:37.860 --> 18:39.400 You know, I'm with you, Ratchet. 18:39.460 --> 18:40.380 I love my Sidekick. 18:40.520 --> 18:45.900 It's, uh, I mean, like, what's, what's interesting is my philosophy on phones for the longest 18:45.900 --> 18:49.020 times has, has been, you know, simple as possible. 18:49.120 --> 18:53.960 I don't need any extra features, except in the case of the Sidekick where it's all really 18:53.960 --> 18:57.780 integrated really well and the interface makes sense and it's just really easy to use. 18:57.780 --> 19:04.020 It's, it's, the, the only, uh, problem I have with the Sidekick is A, no Bluetooth, and 19:04.020 --> 19:05.860 B, dialing is a smidge awkward. 19:06.700 --> 19:08.540 Yeah, dialing, dialing's annoying. 19:09.240 --> 19:12.240 But a Bluetooth does occasionally grab, yeah, yeah. 19:12.340 --> 19:14.480 But apart from that, I mean, it's amazing. 19:15.120 --> 19:18.740 I can't wait to see what to do with the third generation, or the Sidekick 3, not necessarily 19:18.740 --> 19:19.320 third generation. 19:19.780 --> 19:20.280 I don't know. 19:20.680 --> 19:25.680 Personally, I'm going to seriously consider looking, whenever I get my new next-view phone, 19:25.680 --> 19:30.420 which will probably be in about a year or two, honestly, um, I, I'm going to look at 19:30.420 --> 19:33.840 something that's Windows Mobile-based, or Windows, Windows Smartphone. 19:34.560 --> 19:38.760 And I'm sure people are cringing right now in the audience, but who cares? 19:38.880 --> 19:40.980 I can just hear that, Windows, ew! 19:41.540 --> 19:41.780 Yeah. 19:42.400 --> 19:45.340 But, Mark, what, what, what do you use for a cell phone? 19:45.540 --> 19:47.700 That, that, there, there's a question that's interesting. 19:48.560 --> 19:50.980 If he's still there, he's still running his diagnostics. 19:50.980 --> 19:55.780 Mark, wow, our guest switches were dropped off the map. 19:56.160 --> 19:56.740 Oh, no. 19:58.180 --> 19:59.900 Is anybody there at Digium? 20:00.040 --> 20:00.320 Over. 20:02.480 --> 20:03.780 Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, I'm back. 20:06.360 --> 20:07.880 I'm trying hard! 20:09.020 --> 20:12.100 Okay, so the question was, which, uh, phone do I use? 20:12.360 --> 20:13.660 Yeah, which cell phone do you have? 20:14.520 --> 20:21.860 I use, uh, the, um, Nokia 3650, also known as the birth control dispenser phone, 20:22.000 --> 20:25.380 because of its unusual arrangement of buttons on the bottom. 20:25.540 --> 20:29.100 Oh, yeah, it's got a, like, the numbers are arranged one to zero in a, in a circle. 20:29.760 --> 20:30.100 Mm-hmm. 20:30.240 --> 20:30.520 Right. 20:31.160 --> 20:34.660 But not in the same place you'd expect to find them on a rotary phone, so that's like... 20:35.940 --> 20:37.000 That is correct. 20:37.000 --> 20:41.680 It, it, it kind of sucks. 20:42.340 --> 20:48.780 And, uh, but I, I have to say, I also, uh, have a very surprising tendency to drop my phone. 20:50.940 --> 20:51.340 True. 20:51.580 --> 20:57.560 Yeah, I, uh, my, my, my, my sidekick one, my color, my color sidekick, not a sidekick one, 20:57.580 --> 21:01.440 I don't think they actually ever called it one, um, was, was remarkably tough. 21:01.440 --> 21:07.000 I dropped it, like, you know, two or three times from my, when my, my holster started 21:07.000 --> 21:10.920 to go for that I had on my belt, and it would fall, it would fall out and hit the pavement. 21:11.100 --> 21:14.660 And there, it was, there were some good gouges on there, but it continued ticking up until 21:14.660 --> 21:15.400 the end, so. 21:16.800 --> 21:18.940 I, I gotta say, it was pretty, it was pretty tough. 21:20.240 --> 21:24.100 Yeah, I, I just had mine replaced because it stopped charging and started shorting out. 21:24.500 --> 21:27.300 And, um, I am treating this thing like a baby. 21:27.760 --> 21:29.380 So far, I haven't dropped it yet. 21:29.940 --> 21:31.120 I haven't even scratched it. 21:31.440 --> 21:36.000 I, I gotta say, I, I haven't dropped mine without it not being in the case, so. 21:36.700 --> 21:39.220 That, that's what I'll say that as. 21:42.040 --> 21:42.400 Um. 21:42.680 --> 21:43.180 Next email? 21:43.180 --> 21:44.580 Do, do, do you want to take a break from email? 21:44.700 --> 21:47.400 Because we had a, we had, we have a call that's been waiting for a little bit. 21:47.560 --> 21:51.600 Yeah, why don't we take this call, let me go grab this call, and you talk for a second. 21:52.020 --> 21:55.560 Oh, yeah, I, I, I love when you just sort of drop off here and have to brother screen 21:55.560 --> 21:56.080 the phone call. 21:57.400 --> 22:01.260 So, do, do, do, do you, do you find the, uh, 3650 awkward to dial, or did you, 22:01.260 --> 22:02.380 did you just have to get used to it? 22:03.820 --> 22:09.020 Um, even as long as I've had it, it's still somewhat awkward to dial, but the biggest problem 22:09.020 --> 22:13.980 is that it's very difficult to send SMS driving, messages while you're driving a stick shift 22:13.980 --> 22:14.880 using that phone. 22:15.820 --> 22:19.960 I, I would think that driving, sending SMS messages while driving a stick shift would 22:19.960 --> 22:20.980 be difficult with any phone. 22:22.220 --> 22:24.380 It's just especially difficult with that phone. 22:25.440 --> 22:27.860 All right, we have, uh, Lord Drakkenblood on the line. 22:29.560 --> 22:30.920 Hey, how's it going, gentlemen? 22:32.540 --> 22:33.200 Hello, hello. 22:33.620 --> 22:34.120 Pretty good. 22:34.360 --> 22:34.800 Doing well. 22:35.800 --> 22:37.580 You had some questions for Mark, didn't you? 22:38.360 --> 22:38.760 Yes. 22:39.320 --> 22:43.400 Uh, I was curious what the coolest hack you've seen using Asterix has been. 22:43.400 --> 22:48.540 Um, ooh, ooh, that's a tough one. 22:49.080 --> 22:50.980 Ooh, deep mystery time with Mark Spencer. 22:52.300 --> 22:53.780 Hmm, yeah. 22:53.900 --> 22:59.200 The, the, the finger motions here. 22:59.200 --> 23:02.140 Um, sort of the Dr. Evil. 23:02.760 --> 23:06.520 Um, the parking thing was kind of cool. 23:06.840 --> 23:11.180 The whole idea of, like, leaving little stickers and being able to call in is kind of cool. 23:11.180 --> 23:16.820 Um, there's some people that have done some voice changers for Asterix, so that you can 23:16.820 --> 23:18.180 call somebody and change your voice. 23:19.020 --> 23:23.920 Um, which is a heck of a lot neater than all these silly Ford Your Color ID stuff. 23:24.560 --> 23:24.900 Um. 23:25.440 --> 23:26.420 What else? 23:28.700 --> 23:30.380 Uh, what else? 23:31.140 --> 23:32.100 There, there's just a lot. 23:32.180 --> 23:33.840 I mean, the parking thing was cool. 23:34.580 --> 23:40.340 Um, someone had, I made Zork work using Sphinx 2 and, uh, and Festival. 23:40.340 --> 23:45.960 It, I, I wouldn't say it was, was flawless, but it was still kind of cool that they tried 23:45.960 --> 23:46.180 it. 23:46.820 --> 23:47.400 Wait a minute, wait a minute. 23:47.600 --> 23:50.700 Does this mean someone actually got Sphinx 2 working on Asterix? 23:51.980 --> 23:54.220 Uh, well, not exactly. 23:54.940 --> 24:06.120 What they did was, uh, they, they just, uh, how can I describe this? 24:06.120 --> 24:14.800 They took, they recorded what you said and then used the options for the record so that 24:14.800 --> 24:18.340 when, when you stopped talking, it would just finish the recording. 24:18.600 --> 24:23.000 And then they would run an AGI script which processed that using Sphinx. 24:23.000 --> 24:29.900 Uh, and then came up with a response which was then, uh, they called, uh, uh, I think 24:29.900 --> 24:35.100 they used either Festival or Kepstrol to then re-render the audio to send back to you in 24:35.100 --> 24:35.440 the prompt. 24:36.600 --> 24:40.480 I gotta say that, that, that, that, that's a pretty good, that's a pretty good hack right 24:40.480 --> 24:40.680 there. 24:40.800 --> 24:43.660 That, that's, I'm gonna, I'm, I must actually look into that. 24:43.760 --> 24:44.620 That, that's pretty neat. 24:44.680 --> 24:45.400 That was a good idea. 24:45.860 --> 24:47.380 I would not have thought of that. 24:48.960 --> 24:50.740 Lots of people would not have thought of that. 24:50.740 --> 24:54.880 Yeah, for, for, for, for those of you who don't know, Sphinx, Sphinx 2 is a voice recognition 24:54.880 --> 24:58.680 technology and it's, I, it's open source, I believe. 25:00.200 --> 25:01.100 Sphinx 2 is, yes. 25:01.220 --> 25:04.360 No, I haven't actually used it, so I don't know how, how well. 25:04.400 --> 25:08.820 I, I, I tried, I tried to get it working with, um, Asterisk and failed miserably, but then 25:08.820 --> 25:12.020 I felt good when I actually started researching it and found out that no one has gotten it working 25:12.020 --> 25:12.600 with Asterisk. 25:14.660 --> 25:16.980 Or like one person in southern Indonesia. 25:17.640 --> 25:19.360 Yeah, I, I, I haven't tried it yet. 25:20.740 --> 25:23.860 What we should really do is, like, I should get on my friend at, at, at Tell Me Networks 25:23.860 --> 25:28.120 and get him to give me some sort of access to their voice recognition stuff. 25:30.020 --> 25:31.540 They should, they should open source Tell Me. 25:31.940 --> 25:32.200 Yeah. 25:34.480 --> 25:36.520 So, hey, when are you gonna open source Tell Me? 25:37.120 --> 25:37.900 Uh, what? 25:37.900 --> 25:37.920 Uh, what? 25:41.200 --> 25:43.400 So, do we have any other questions, Lord Dracom? 25:43.400 --> 25:43.660 Um. 25:43.980 --> 25:44.540 Whatever it is. 25:44.760 --> 25:46.300 I'm, I'm sorry, I can't pronounce your name. 25:46.740 --> 25:46.960 What? 25:47.160 --> 25:47.360 Blood. 25:47.560 --> 25:48.100 That's okay. 25:48.100 --> 25:50.280 A lot of people have problems with it. 25:50.560 --> 25:55.160 The other one is, where can I dig up some information on that audio blog the guy's running? 25:55.260 --> 25:59.360 I've one, been wanting to hook up something like that similar, and if I could track down 25:59.360 --> 26:02.060 some information on it, it'd make my life a little easier. 26:02.060 --> 26:16.020 The, well, um, it was, it was at, uh, NYU, uh, I don't remember their URL, but they've got 26:16.020 --> 26:22.760 a special, um, program there, which I'm trying to remember the name of now, which is basically, 26:22.760 --> 26:32.220 uh, uh, they called it a, uh, uh, um, a study program for the recently possible, which I thought 26:32.220 --> 26:33.620 was kind of an interesting description. 26:34.320 --> 26:34.640 Um. 26:34.640 --> 26:42.580 Um, there were some other projects there, like, uh, one called, uh, Gum Spots, where they 26:42.580 --> 26:48.380 were, they have a setup so that you can send, um, like, take a picture of the sidewalk around 26:48.380 --> 26:54.520 NYU with your cell phone, and it will use the location of the Gum Spots to identify where 26:54.520 --> 26:54.960 you are. 26:54.960 --> 26:57.640 Oh, interesting. 26:57.740 --> 26:57.900 Wow. 26:58.320 --> 26:58.900 That, that's... 26:58.900 --> 26:59.180 Wow. 27:01.000 --> 27:02.820 Uh, but that one didn't involve asterisk. 27:03.240 --> 27:05.660 But I don't remember the name of this other one. 27:06.440 --> 27:10.860 Well, what we can do is we can, we can either search for it and have it towards the end of 27:10.860 --> 27:13.320 the show, or we can just announce it on next week's show, so. 27:13.500 --> 27:13.740 Yeah. 27:15.260 --> 27:17.500 We can actually have some real honest-to-goodness housekeeping. 27:17.660 --> 27:18.140 Holy God. 27:18.400 --> 27:18.640 Yeah. 27:19.760 --> 27:24.920 Instead of just, like, uh, yeah, I beat off six times this week, and, uh, uh, uh, uh, 27:24.920 --> 27:27.760 uh, yeah, we don't, you know, I don't want to know that. 27:28.360 --> 27:30.440 Ah, la, la, la, la, la, la, la. 27:32.300 --> 27:33.100 Only six? 27:33.260 --> 27:35.100 Oh, come on, you're slacking, man. 27:35.440 --> 27:36.360 Yeah, yeah, usually. 27:36.360 --> 27:37.520 I've already done nine in the last hour. 27:37.820 --> 27:42.640 Usually more like 14, anyway, um, what's, uh, any other questions for Mark? 27:43.080 --> 27:43.620 Or for us? 27:43.620 --> 27:51.660 Um, I was just curious on your guys' take, I guess, of, uh, one of the hacks I saw using 27:51.660 --> 27:54.860 asterisks, where a guy could call his asterisk box and would dump his, 27:54.920 --> 28:00.440 call, call him back and then dump him to a dial tone to where he gets pre-calling through 28:00.440 --> 28:00.860 his cell phone. 28:01.660 --> 28:04.600 That's, uh, actually surprisingly common. 28:04.760 --> 28:05.940 That's called, uh, callback. 28:06.580 --> 28:08.500 Um, so, yeah. 28:08.920 --> 28:13.940 I think more of the X10 stuff and dialing MP3 is a little more unusual, but callback systems 28:13.940 --> 28:19.820 have actually existed for a fairly long time and surprisingly actually predate asterisks. 28:19.820 --> 28:23.080 Cool. 28:23.440 --> 28:26.440 Well, it's become, it's become a lot more, I mean, a lot of the stuff that you do with 28:26.440 --> 28:30.300 asterisk is new to a lot of people because a lot of people just didn't have the platform 28:30.300 --> 28:31.900 to do this, ever. 28:32.840 --> 28:38.340 I mean, the entire, the, it, it, it, it, it's allowed a lot of people to really level 28:38.340 --> 28:44.740 the playing field with, um, like, like, they, they don't need to like, you know, drop like 28:44.740 --> 28:47.560 $2,000 on this killer PBX system that can do all this. 28:47.660 --> 28:50.960 It's, you know, I have a Linux box, I have a network connection, ooh, let's go get into 28:50.960 --> 28:51.260 VoIP. 28:52.640 --> 28:55.480 Which is basically how I got into asterisk, which was really scary. 28:55.480 --> 29:02.760 I'd have to say, uh, asterisk has definitely sparked my interest in freaking, so, I'd have 29:02.760 --> 29:08.320 to definitely say thanks for that, for opening a new realm of interest for me. 29:11.040 --> 29:11.520 Okay. 29:12.060 --> 29:12.440 Cool. 29:12.580 --> 29:17.380 I'll, uh, uh, there's no right answer to that. 29:18.100 --> 29:21.840 There's no good answer to that, so I'm just going to not say anything. 29:21.840 --> 29:23.800 Um, uh, gosh. 29:23.800 --> 29:26.060 Oh, don't tell, don't tell me Mark Spencer doesn't like phone freaks. 29:27.340 --> 29:31.900 Uh, well, no, I mean, I, I wouldn't quite go that far, but, but there's certain things 29:31.900 --> 29:39.740 that, uh, I mean, well, let's see, I'm certainly not a proponent of, of stealing, uh, service. 29:40.600 --> 29:41.980 So, yeah, I suppose I could get there. 29:41.980 --> 29:47.440 Well, most of the stuff, most of the stuff that I see it with, it's, um, like, the person 29:47.440 --> 29:51.540 I was helping out with this actually just this week, he has a free inbound on his Nextel, 29:51.540 --> 29:55.360 so what he wanted to do was just, you know, call a phone number, have it hang up, and 29:55.360 --> 29:58.240 then have it call him back so he gets free incoming, which technically isn't stealing, 29:58.340 --> 29:59.740 it's just being a system. 29:59.740 --> 30:05.620 Right, so I, I have no problem with people who find clever ways to utilize services that 30:05.620 --> 30:10.360 they have, uh, appropriately, you know, paid for and negotiated, right? 30:10.360 --> 30:14.880 I mean, that's, if you think about it, voice over IP is, a lot of that is really about doing 30:14.880 --> 30:15.360 toll bypass. 30:15.360 --> 30:21.440 It's just, I mean, I think, when people say phone freakers, sometimes that, you know, 30:22.240 --> 30:27.760 I, I guess people think of more like blue boxes and, you know, systems like that where 30:27.760 --> 30:32.300 you're, uh, discovering vulnerabilities within, uh, the telephone network. 30:34.180 --> 30:37.860 Wow, so we just, we got, we got heavy and deep here with Mark Spencer on Bind River Radio. 30:37.940 --> 30:38.020 Yeah. 30:38.020 --> 30:41.420 Sorry, I feel like I was a little downer, you know. 30:42.520 --> 30:44.880 Oh, no, I mean, everyone's entitled to their opinion. 30:45.000 --> 30:48.780 I mean, it's, it's, you're, you're very much in line, I think, with most of the other people 30:48.780 --> 30:50.500 who are listening, so it's no big deal. 30:50.520 --> 30:52.340 It's kind of like, it's kind of like the term hacker. 30:52.340 --> 30:53.620 Don't feel like you're a horrible person. 30:54.180 --> 30:54.300 Hmm? 30:54.400 --> 30:55.940 Yeah, it's kind of like the term hacker. 30:56.060 --> 31:02.960 It's just been kind of, it's, it's been damaged to the point that, you know, I, I can't even 31:02.960 --> 31:09.740 go out and, and call myself a hacker because people misunderstand what that means, um, sort 31:09.740 --> 31:16.080 of getting back on slash off topic, you know, KEOPS was one of my other programs that I wrote 31:16.080 --> 31:21.580 that, that never really gained a lot of traction and got a maintainer, but, um, it isn't in 31:21.580 --> 31:26.340 several books, but it is apparently called a hacker tool, even though that was not what 31:26.340 --> 31:27.500 it was intended to be. 31:28.160 --> 31:32.400 I mean, it was intended to be a cool tool for discovering your network, but of course you 31:32.400 --> 31:37.340 can also use it to discover random networks, especially back in 98 before firewalls were 31:37.340 --> 31:38.120 particularly prevalent. 31:39.740 --> 31:44.560 Oh, God, I remember when, like, you know, there was basically just this giant, just vast 31:44.560 --> 31:47.520 expanse where everyone just had no clue about security. 31:47.660 --> 31:48.240 It was amazing. 31:49.040 --> 31:55.400 Just, just, the, the, the stuff that the internet has become, oh, well, we're, we're, we are kind 31:55.400 --> 31:58.940 of drifting, so we're, we're drifting on topic, but we're drifting off topic from email, 31:59.060 --> 32:02.340 so let's just address the last two, two or three emails that we have. 32:02.400 --> 32:02.780 Right now. 32:02.940 --> 32:05.940 While you're doing that, I'm going to try and experiment, and if I lose you, I'll call 32:05.940 --> 32:06.340 right back. 32:07.340 --> 32:07.660 Okay. 32:08.280 --> 32:08.620 Look at that. 32:08.620 --> 32:10.920 We're doing asterisk hacking right on the radio show. 32:11.200 --> 32:12.860 That's, that's how hardcore Mark is. 32:13.500 --> 32:13.960 All right. 32:14.080 --> 32:14.580 Thanks, Lord. 32:14.940 --> 32:15.540 All right, gentlemen. 32:16.820 --> 32:17.860 Thank you for calling in. 32:17.900 --> 32:18.600 All right, gentlemen, you have a good day. 32:18.780 --> 32:19.100 You too. 32:19.140 --> 32:19.800 Have a good evening, man. 32:19.860 --> 32:20.020 Yes. 32:20.020 --> 32:23.760 All right. 32:23.840 --> 32:26.200 To be honest, I, I, he, he was, he was very quiet. 32:26.280 --> 32:27.680 I didn't even know he was still there. 32:27.940 --> 32:32.020 Yeah, well, seriously, if you're, if you're, if you're on the, if you're on the talk, just 32:32.020 --> 32:32.940 feel free to talk in. 32:32.980 --> 32:36.060 You don't need to, you don't need to, you can interject, you can talk, you can do whatever 32:36.060 --> 32:36.440 you want. 32:36.440 --> 32:40.120 I mean, we're, we're, we're, we're very, we're very, every, when you're calling in, 32:40.200 --> 32:41.220 you're, you're very much an equal. 32:41.360 --> 32:43.260 Don't, don't just think you have to sit back and listen. 32:43.580 --> 32:43.860 Oh, yeah. 32:43.860 --> 32:48.140 If you're, if, you know, just interject, talk, you know, you just interact with the show. 32:48.220 --> 32:50.840 That's what the dial, that's what the dial, that's what the call in is for. 32:51.160 --> 32:51.420 Mm-hmm. 32:52.300 --> 32:52.780 All right. 32:52.840 --> 32:53.220 All right. 32:53.220 --> 32:53.240 All right. 32:53.240 --> 32:58.140 Email is from Stacksmasher, and he says, I used to love it when you played stank audio 32:58.140 --> 33:04.560 drops, like nothing wrong with a protein shot to the face, yakety yak yak balls, and my 33:04.560 --> 33:07.420 first, my personal favorite, e-motherfucking-leet. 33:08.500 --> 33:10.460 Thanks, and keep up the good work, Stacksmasher. 33:12.620 --> 33:15.500 Well, Stacksmasher, you know, do you, do you want us to do that some more? 33:15.600 --> 33:18.020 I mean, we're, we're always looking for new stank sounds. 33:19.480 --> 33:21.760 Mainly, much the chagrin of a stank, I would assume. 33:22.540 --> 33:26.200 Um, you know, hell, if you, if you want, make your own soundboard of, uh, just clips from 33:26.200 --> 33:31.100 the show, you know, if you really want to have, you know, Strom and I and, you know, various 33:31.100 --> 33:33.820 forms of guests, you know, Dr. Zygman, Not Theory, whoever. 33:33.820 --> 33:38.080 However, just, you, just hack them on up, hack the shows up, and email them on in, you 33:38.080 --> 33:42.960 know, just, the one thing that we do request is, uh, don't send it to radio at binrev.com, 33:43.100 --> 33:48.120 um, just email them directly to me, and that would be blackratchet at blackratchet.org. 33:48.220 --> 33:50.320 Or Strom Carlson at gmail.com. 33:50.920 --> 33:52.940 Oh, yeah, or Strom Carlson, yeah, I didn't even think of that. 33:53.160 --> 33:53.960 Ha, ha, ha, yeah. 33:54.560 --> 34:00.460 Um, we, we can both handle larger attachments than, um, radio at binrev.com can, so please, 34:00.540 --> 34:00.960 K, thanks. 34:00.960 --> 34:06.620 So, guys, since, uh, Allison, by the way, I, I, I talked to her, and she couldn't call 34:06.620 --> 34:11.640 in, I, I do have some new Allison prompts that, uh, have just gone into aster sounds that 34:11.640 --> 34:15.820 I, I thought I could share with the, uh, with the group, so whenever you want me to 34:15.820 --> 34:18.020 insert a random Allison sound, just let me know. 34:18.160 --> 34:19.000 All right, cool, yeah. 34:19.420 --> 34:25.540 We, we'll do two more emails, and then we have, um, we have a caller holding on the line, 34:25.540 --> 34:26.060 so. 34:26.340 --> 34:26.700 Okay. 34:27.340 --> 34:27.820 Let's see. 34:28.360 --> 34:28.700 Hello. 34:28.820 --> 34:31.400 Or if you want, just sort of, just fire the random, uh, stuff back in. 34:31.500 --> 34:34.180 Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. 34:34.180 --> 34:39.740 Our next email, our next email, our next email is from someone named F, and, uh, he says, 34:39.820 --> 34:40.540 hello, bin revolutionaries. 34:41.560 --> 34:45.220 Your show brings me great joy on a weekly basis, and the most interesting aspect, apart from 34:45.220 --> 34:49.500 hearing the insults and puns, is discovering new and old programs with an in-depth perspective. 34:50.080 --> 34:51.400 I wanted to tell you this in person, 34:51.520 --> 34:53.780 so I tried your call-in line from a Canadian payphone 34:53.780 --> 34:56.160 to test out your number yesterday while waiting for the bus. 34:56.540 --> 34:58.140 It sounds like it won't go through from here 34:58.140 --> 35:00.180 unless your number is only active during your showtime. 35:00.600 --> 35:03.380 Can you guys get a Skype or other form of VoIP access to call in? 35:03.820 --> 35:05.680 You would hope number six this summer, F. 35:06.740 --> 35:07.500 Well, okay. 35:07.640 --> 35:10.100 Strom, I think this is thoroughly in your jurisdiction, 35:10.320 --> 35:11.520 so I'll just let you answer this one. 35:11.560 --> 35:13.460 The 888 number does not work from Canada. 35:13.460 --> 35:15.920 That's why we have the 213 number for you guys to call in. 35:15.920 --> 35:19.240 I'll actually fetch at my IP provider 35:19.240 --> 35:21.500 and see if I can't get them to open it up to calls from Canada. 35:22.680 --> 35:27.540 And as far as a VoIP call-in, I guess I can experiment with those, 35:27.660 --> 35:31.200 but I guess what I'll end up doing is we'll have, like, 35:31.220 --> 35:34.200 the main call-in number for our listeners in the continental U.S., 35:34.200 --> 35:37.640 and then we'll have a page you can go to 35:37.640 --> 35:40.500 to see all the other call-in numbers or all the other call-in options. 35:42.820 --> 35:45.180 We should, like, get, like, a call-in number from, like, every country. 35:45.180 --> 35:46.340 You should get, like, one from... 35:46.340 --> 35:47.480 Because there's, like, free... 35:47.480 --> 35:50.720 There's free DID providers in, like, all kinds of crazy countries in Europe. 35:51.080 --> 35:53.160 If you're in a Zergevon, come home. 35:55.220 --> 35:57.520 Well, like, how many does... 35:57.520 --> 35:59.120 You know who we're talking about. 35:59.220 --> 36:00.680 The man with the 15 numbers. 36:01.100 --> 36:02.360 I guess we can drop his name on the air. 36:02.920 --> 36:05.660 You know, how many numbers does Bill have on his computer? 36:06.080 --> 36:07.560 Oh, I forget how many numbers Bill has. 36:07.680 --> 36:09.280 Yeah, he has, he has, like... 36:09.280 --> 36:12.180 A friend that we know has about... 36:12.180 --> 36:19.280 I gotta say, he has probably around 20 free DIDs on his asterisk box. 36:19.920 --> 36:20.780 And it's from... 36:20.780 --> 36:21.840 He has, like, stuff from Italy. 36:22.360 --> 36:24.300 He has a number from Poland, one from Germany. 36:24.520 --> 36:27.000 I believe he actually has one from the UK, if I'm not mistaken. 36:27.860 --> 36:28.840 But, um, just... 36:28.840 --> 36:30.620 He has, like, phone numbers from everywhere. 36:30.780 --> 36:32.640 It's amazing what kind of DIDs you can get. 36:33.740 --> 36:37.060 So, I assume one from Canada has to be around there from someplace. 36:37.060 --> 36:40.580 Our, our, our wonderful neighbors from the north. 36:40.900 --> 36:41.300 Oh, yes. 36:42.260 --> 36:42.780 All right. 36:43.600 --> 36:44.180 Next one. 36:44.780 --> 36:46.680 Hey, guys, I have two things to say. 36:47.160 --> 36:50.300 In the chemistry portion of episode 133, you mentioned BR. 36:50.960 --> 36:51.940 It's bromine. 36:52.340 --> 36:55.320 It becomes bromide when it forms a compound with a metal element. 36:55.740 --> 36:59.060 That is called binary molecular compound because it consists of two elements. 36:59.540 --> 37:01.700 Without chemistry teachers, my chemistry teacher is great. 37:01.700 --> 37:05.240 I suspect that he is an alcoholic because he has a box of Smirnoff in his room. 37:06.380 --> 37:06.700 Nice. 37:07.220 --> 37:08.140 Woo-hoo, Smirnoff! 37:09.300 --> 37:11.140 I, I like Grey Goose, but, uh... 37:11.140 --> 37:13.880 Anyway, on episode 132, you guys mentioned a Yugo. 37:14.280 --> 37:18.940 It was very out of context, but I was surprised that anyone outside of Eastern Europe would know about them. 37:19.380 --> 37:22.840 Of course, I know about them because I grew up in Eastern Europe and my family actually had one. 37:23.180 --> 37:24.140 It was a pretty good car. 37:24.720 --> 37:25.940 I also have one question. 37:26.100 --> 37:30.120 I have heard that some people give away hardware such as hard drives, servers, cameras, etc. 37:30.120 --> 37:31.420 for people in the scene. 37:32.000 --> 37:35.100 Do you know if anyone is interested in donating hardware to people who do free media, 37:35.100 --> 37:38.400 such as your show, Hack TV, or my show, Broken Floppy TV? 37:38.900 --> 37:40.960 If so, can you please hook me up with some links? 37:41.380 --> 37:41.980 Thanks, guys. 37:42.100 --> 37:43.180 Keep up the great work. 37:43.980 --> 37:44.580 Not signed. 37:44.580 --> 37:49.300 Personally, I've heard of you. 37:49.400 --> 37:51.360 I think you've heard of a Yugo, right, haven't you, Strom? 37:51.840 --> 37:52.520 I think I, yeah. 37:52.580 --> 37:54.860 I actually saw one on the street in Vegas one time. 37:55.740 --> 37:57.380 I've never actually seen one in person. 37:58.480 --> 38:01.460 Well, if you want to see what they look like, go rent Drowning Muna. 38:01.460 --> 38:06.360 Yes, yes, that's the only place I have ever seen one. 38:06.420 --> 38:08.260 I've seen it in that movie. 38:10.420 --> 38:14.000 I wasn't going to admit watching it, but I guess if you brought it up, it's okay. 38:18.320 --> 38:23.260 I mean, I've never actually seen one in person, but they're very infamous for just sucking. 38:23.520 --> 38:25.920 They're sort of like, you know, the Eastern European version of the Pinto. 38:25.920 --> 38:32.700 If I remember correctly, I was making the case that, basically, I just think I made the case that 38:32.700 --> 38:35.780 something sucked and I used the Yugo as a comparison tool. 38:37.040 --> 38:38.980 Still, people have heard about them. 38:39.100 --> 38:40.460 It's not too uncommon. 38:41.540 --> 38:45.560 Yeah, they were sold in the U.S. from, like, 86 until the early 90s, I think. 38:46.740 --> 38:47.180 Exploded. 38:48.740 --> 38:51.060 Yeah, they did explode, didn't they? 38:51.180 --> 38:52.060 I think they did. 38:52.060 --> 38:56.320 They definitely weren't known for their fine workmanship. 38:59.020 --> 39:03.860 As for the free stuff, personally, I would recommend the free stuff portion of Craigslist. 39:04.580 --> 39:07.220 That would be craigslist.org. 39:08.300 --> 39:12.560 You can go to your various, it's basically, it's an online WAD ad, and if you haven't heard 39:12.560 --> 39:14.360 of Craigslist, you know, come out of your cave. 39:15.100 --> 39:16.100 Craigslist.org. 39:16.700 --> 39:19.580 Yeah, it's all over the news now. 39:19.580 --> 39:22.880 So, everyone's there, and it's really sad, because it's really going downhill, but we 39:22.880 --> 39:23.420 won't get into that. 39:24.760 --> 39:29.540 Since it's free, it won't be grade A material, but it still will be free, so free is good, 39:29.600 --> 39:29.760 right? 39:31.340 --> 39:36.600 Also, I mean, dumpster diving is always overlooked when people want free stuff. 39:37.220 --> 39:42.360 Just keep an eye out of company dumpsters, colleges, your CS department at your school. 39:43.600 --> 39:45.940 Dumpster diving is always a good place to find stuff. 39:45.940 --> 39:50.720 It's going to need some tender, loving care, but you can definitely do it. 39:51.880 --> 39:59.260 I mean, I picked up a nice little Deck Alpha out of my university, and various forms of 39:59.260 --> 40:02.900 other pieces of interesting hardware that I really don't remember much about now, but 40:02.900 --> 40:04.460 at the time, they were very cool. 40:04.720 --> 40:06.320 Of course, this was 1999 or so. 40:06.320 --> 40:12.260 Yeah, well, I love using the free stuff section when I have something that is too nice to 40:12.260 --> 40:17.280 dump, but too crappy to sell, and I don't want to take it all the way down to Goodwill, 40:17.360 --> 40:19.620 so I just put it on Craigslist, and then they come to me. 40:19.700 --> 40:20.140 It's awesome. 40:21.080 --> 40:21.360 Yes. 40:22.340 --> 40:24.060 All right, we've got... 40:24.060 --> 40:28.220 I always do the Salvation Army route myself, but I don't think we have a Goodwill up here. 40:28.920 --> 40:30.100 Oh, yeah, what's your caller? 40:30.280 --> 40:33.200 The Goodwill is closer to me than the Salvation Army, so... 40:33.200 --> 40:35.280 Anyway, we have MDCowboy on the line. 40:35.280 --> 40:36.160 Hello, MDCowboy. 40:37.020 --> 40:39.460 Hello, Strom, and... 40:39.460 --> 40:39.860 Yeah. 40:40.760 --> 40:43.160 So you had a question for Mark, didn't you? 40:43.840 --> 40:44.240 Yes. 40:44.500 --> 40:46.560 I was wondering, do you actually... 40:46.560 --> 40:49.140 I suppose... 40:49.140 --> 40:53.120 Do you actually get down and dirty with Asterisk and game, or do you just lead it, or what? 40:54.120 --> 40:58.640 Well, I haven't worked on games since, like, 98, 99... 40:58.640 --> 40:59.140 Yeah. 40:59.380 --> 41:02.160 ...as a developer, but I do... 41:02.160 --> 41:04.400 I still do development on Asterisk, certainly. 41:05.940 --> 41:06.660 And... 41:06.660 --> 41:11.060 I do a lot of the driver stuff. 41:11.900 --> 41:14.000 I still do some of the features. 41:14.480 --> 41:17.460 I did the video voicemail stuff most recently. 41:18.020 --> 41:19.920 I did support for H.264. 41:20.460 --> 41:22.340 I did a bunch of Meet Me stuff. 41:22.340 --> 41:28.120 And a lot of people don't know it, but I'm actually very involved in the design of the Digium hardware, too. 41:29.060 --> 41:32.320 So, like, the TDM 2400 was sort of my brainchild. 41:33.160 --> 41:39.160 Yeah, I remember you told me about that card, like, months before it came out, and I wasn't allowed to tell us all. 41:40.240 --> 41:40.700 That's right. 41:40.700 --> 41:43.740 So, what, you do hardware hacking, too? 41:44.540 --> 41:44.880 Yeah. 41:45.580 --> 41:47.480 Yeah, but mainly digital stuff. 41:47.520 --> 41:48.820 I'm not really an analog guy. 41:49.520 --> 41:51.160 So, I tend to... 41:51.160 --> 41:57.040 My hardware designs tend to be very indicative of the fact that I'm a computer programmer, 41:57.400 --> 41:59.420 because they tend to be very software-centric. 41:59.420 --> 42:11.480 And I'm a big fan of VHDL, and use it very extensively to really do sort of odd things. 42:14.260 --> 42:17.440 I'm sorry to say I have no clue what the heck you're talking about. 42:17.520 --> 42:18.040 VHDL. 42:18.040 --> 42:21.880 Oh, VHDL is this hardware description language. 42:21.880 --> 42:28.340 And there's also Verilog, which is also very popular, kind of a Python versus Perl kind of thing. 42:29.740 --> 42:37.280 And, basically, it lets you describe a circuit in something that looks sort of like a programming language, 42:37.400 --> 42:40.620 and then you use special parts called CPLDs or FPGAs. 42:40.920 --> 42:45.820 And then it creates this digital circuit that you've described inside of the part. 42:47.260 --> 42:49.200 Ooh, I'm looking at that. 42:49.200 --> 42:51.600 But, that sounds... 42:51.600 --> 42:53.480 Maybe I can design hardware. 42:53.600 --> 42:54.680 Maybe there's hope for me yet. 42:55.040 --> 42:58.940 Just sort of make it as a programming language, and you can do it. 42:59.340 --> 43:02.800 Well, I've been working on my solder foo recently, so... 43:02.800 --> 43:03.120 Yeah. 43:03.280 --> 43:05.360 I can't solder for the life of me. 43:06.640 --> 43:07.840 I never used to be able to. 43:07.920 --> 43:09.180 I guess it's a learned art. 43:10.100 --> 43:11.800 I don't have steady hands. 43:11.840 --> 43:12.440 That's my issue. 43:12.760 --> 43:13.400 Ooh, yeah. 43:14.020 --> 43:14.800 That'll kill you. 43:14.800 --> 43:20.320 Didn't you have another question, Cowboy, about the... 43:20.320 --> 43:24.640 Please listen carefully, as absolutely none of our options have changed. 43:26.880 --> 43:30.840 I couldn't resist. 43:33.080 --> 43:34.080 Yes, uh... 43:34.080 --> 43:36.920 There was a moment of silence, and I thought I would break it. 43:37.600 --> 43:38.040 Nice. 43:38.280 --> 43:39.040 Very nice. 43:39.040 --> 43:42.000 Okay, Cowboy, I'm sorry. 43:42.120 --> 43:42.320 Go ahead. 43:42.440 --> 43:43.140 What was your other question? 43:43.260 --> 43:43.420 Yes. 43:43.660 --> 43:47.960 My other question was, since you do actually do programming, I suppose you use some kind 43:47.960 --> 43:49.220 of Linux distribution. 43:49.380 --> 43:50.440 I was wondering what you use. 43:51.060 --> 43:51.340 Oh. 43:51.480 --> 43:51.660 Oh. 43:52.880 --> 43:54.680 You're going to be so disappointed. 43:55.040 --> 43:56.260 I can already tell. 43:56.360 --> 43:57.500 I hope you're sitting down for this. 43:58.400 --> 44:00.700 No, I am a proud Fedora user. 44:00.700 --> 44:05.860 Uh, and I am about the only technical person at Digium that runs Fedora. 44:06.480 --> 44:13.000 Everybody else basically runs Gen2 or something other than Fedora. 44:13.480 --> 44:15.860 But, but I'm pretty much a Fedora person. 44:16.780 --> 44:17.020 Yeah. 44:17.360 --> 44:19.500 I tried that Fedora junk. 44:22.340 --> 44:23.600 That's all I can say. 44:24.660 --> 44:27.040 Well, no, Bill uses Fedora, too, so. 44:27.960 --> 44:28.880 Yeah, well, he does. 44:28.880 --> 44:30.000 He's pretty Linux-y, so. 44:31.700 --> 44:35.520 Well, the thing that, you know, Gen2 is real popular here. 44:36.800 --> 44:43.440 And when I was in London, I took out the, a bunch of Gen2 developers, and we got rather 44:43.440 --> 44:44.900 trashed on, not very much sleep. 44:44.960 --> 44:48.800 But anyway, so, you know, I have nothing against Gen2. 44:48.900 --> 44:55.360 But personally, if I'm watching something compile, it better be asterisk, zaptel, or libpri. 44:55.960 --> 44:56.800 You know what I mean? 44:57.580 --> 45:00.160 Those are the things that I want to be watching compile. 45:00.700 --> 45:08.220 Are, like, the Red Hat asterisk, or no Red Hat, Fedora RPMs for asterisk, like, bleeding edge, 45:08.280 --> 45:10.640 because you're just constantly checking it out of CVS and compiling it? 45:11.480 --> 45:14.020 No, I'm not really involved in any of the packaging. 45:14.160 --> 45:15.200 I just use it as my desktop. 45:15.200 --> 45:22.900 Another sort of bizarre thing, those of you who have ever used any of my graphical applications 45:22.900 --> 45:29.300 know that I always write code in using GTK, and that's because I am a big C fan and not 45:29.300 --> 45:30.840 a particularly big fan of C++. 45:30.840 --> 45:34.140 But I actually do run KDE as my desktop. 45:35.300 --> 45:35.660 Really? 45:36.000 --> 45:37.520 See, that's something I didn't expect. 45:38.480 --> 45:38.760 Yes. 45:39.160 --> 45:42.800 So I run my GT, I love writing GTK apps and running them under KDE. 45:44.340 --> 45:46.040 You just like pain, don't you? 45:46.860 --> 45:47.180 Yeah. 45:47.420 --> 45:47.660 You like Fedora. 45:48.160 --> 45:50.640 You like running GTK under KDE. 45:50.640 --> 45:54.500 Hey, maybe we can bring them to the bondage ball this weekend in Los Angeles. 45:57.160 --> 45:57.760 Oh, God. 45:57.760 --> 45:59.640 I can bring that cat of 25 pair. 46:00.340 --> 46:02.980 Oh, the cat of 25 pair, yeah. 46:04.440 --> 46:06.940 Yeah, I'll bring my cat of 25 pair. 46:10.440 --> 46:12.080 Oh, man. 46:12.280 --> 46:13.540 You heard it here for us. 46:13.760 --> 46:19.380 Not only does Mark Spencer run Fedora, he also runs KDE, but develops GTK apps under it. 46:19.380 --> 46:21.960 That's correct. 46:22.280 --> 46:23.440 These are the good questions. 46:23.520 --> 46:24.840 These are good questions right here. 46:25.640 --> 46:28.200 How do I make asterisk answer in my phone? 46:28.440 --> 46:30.500 Oh, hey, Mark, how do I make asterisk answer in my phone? 46:31.360 --> 46:32.080 Yeah, I knew that was coming. 46:33.240 --> 46:34.160 No, I'm just kidding. 46:34.840 --> 46:35.300 All right, cool. 46:35.440 --> 46:36.180 Do you have any more questions? 46:36.860 --> 46:38.440 Goodbye, Digium Tech Support. 46:38.600 --> 46:39.080 Wink, wink. 46:42.720 --> 46:46.480 Do you have any more questions for us or for Mark, MDCowboy? 46:47.600 --> 46:48.360 Not really. 46:49.380 --> 46:50.000 Well, sweet. 46:50.940 --> 46:51.100 All right. 46:51.100 --> 46:54.760 Well, hey, what does the MD stand for in your name? 46:54.800 --> 46:55.620 I have a question for you. 46:55.620 --> 46:58.000 Well, yeah, I was kind of thinking about that, too. 46:58.160 --> 46:58.560 I don't know. 46:58.660 --> 47:02.560 I was just kind of like modern-day cowboy because I live out on the couch on a farm and whatnot. 47:02.620 --> 47:04.240 I thought you were a giant mini-disc fan. 47:05.340 --> 47:08.920 No, I'd rather go with the CD. 47:10.840 --> 47:12.060 And I like Mountain Dew. 47:12.060 --> 47:21.620 I just got this image of him now, you know, riding on one of those automatic bucking bronco things and going, yee-haw, 8-track 3. 47:23.620 --> 47:38.580 Actually, when I was at Linux World out in, I guess it was in San Francisco, the last one, I was amazed to see that there was a company there that had like a 20-by-20, and there was not actually a booth. 47:38.580 --> 47:42.360 All there was was a mechanical bull and some pliers. 47:43.100 --> 47:43.860 That was Black Dog. 47:44.100 --> 47:45.300 Yeah, it was Black Dog. 47:45.960 --> 47:48.000 But I guess it worked because Matt remembers them. 47:48.880 --> 47:50.080 Hey, that's what it is. 47:50.080 --> 47:52.140 I mean, that's what marketing is right there. 47:52.440 --> 47:52.680 Mm-hmm. 47:54.060 --> 47:55.420 You've got to get people to remember you. 47:56.380 --> 47:56.600 Yeah. 47:57.400 --> 48:04.600 Well, we'll give MD a nice little prompt here, you know, so for thanks. 48:05.880 --> 48:11.800 All our agents are busy reprogramming the phone system to make sure you can never actually reach them. 48:16.600 --> 48:17.620 I love that one. 48:17.620 --> 48:17.940 Asterisk is fun. 48:18.340 --> 48:19.240 Asterisk is fun. 48:20.080 --> 48:22.680 I didn't even remember that. 48:23.740 --> 48:29.020 We've got to send that clip, Hello, Noobs, back to the gym. 48:29.640 --> 48:30.240 Oh, man. 48:30.440 --> 48:31.640 Oh, that would be awesome. 48:32.760 --> 48:32.960 Yeah. 48:33.140 --> 48:35.300 Oh, no, I don't think I ever told you this, Mark. 48:35.460 --> 48:35.640 No. 48:35.640 --> 48:44.440 During our asterisk talk at DEFCON, we had a demonstration of the different ways you can get voice prompts into asterisk. 48:44.440 --> 48:51.220 So we had the three ways were record them yourself, do some sort of text-to-speech, or have Alice and Smith record them for you. 48:51.220 --> 48:56.380 So we had kind of like the, what was it, the speak-and-say? 48:57.160 --> 48:59.220 Yeah, I called it speak-and-say-A-G-I. 48:59.440 --> 49:00.600 Yeah, speak-and-say-A-G-I. 49:00.600 --> 49:03.160 Okay, so the first one, it says, Black Ratchet. 49:03.380 --> 49:03.520 Yeah. 49:03.960 --> 49:08.260 So the first one, it goes, Black Ratchet says, Asterisk is cool. 49:09.260 --> 49:09.460 Yeah. 49:09.820 --> 49:11.080 I think an asterisk is fun. 49:11.220 --> 49:11.420 Yeah. 49:11.560 --> 49:12.600 Asterisk is fun or something. 49:12.600 --> 49:12.760 Yeah. 49:12.760 --> 49:18.100 And then the second one says, Cepstrol says, Oh, baby, give it to me. 49:18.280 --> 49:18.540 Yes. 49:18.860 --> 49:19.100 Yes. 49:19.480 --> 49:19.720 Yes. 49:21.680 --> 49:26.600 And the third one is, Alice and Smith says, Hello, noobs. 49:29.480 --> 49:30.860 I'm trying to find it. 49:30.900 --> 49:31.520 I used to have it. 49:32.020 --> 49:32.160 Yeah. 49:32.460 --> 49:35.960 Actually, one of my ideas was actually, I always wanted to make a Cepstrol sex hotline. 49:36.160 --> 49:37.720 And they'll have like, you know, 1-800-Cepstrol. 49:37.840 --> 49:38.440 Oh, no. 49:40.500 --> 49:41.820 It's like just Iron Bay. 49:41.820 --> 49:43.760 Oh, that's so awesome. 49:44.120 --> 49:47.420 Well, you know, they've actually just released a new version of their stop, 49:47.520 --> 49:51.500 and we're hoping to have some official asterisk packages of it soon. 49:52.320 --> 49:52.480 Oh, cool. 49:53.260 --> 49:55.140 But they've got some new voices in there. 49:55.620 --> 49:59.400 They've got a whisper voice and something else. 49:59.460 --> 50:02.460 They have some other new voices that are available, so. 50:04.100 --> 50:04.840 That's cool. 50:05.360 --> 50:05.840 Awesome. 50:07.260 --> 50:09.560 Well, hey, MDCowboy, thanks for calling in. 50:10.540 --> 50:10.940 Indeed. 50:12.820 --> 50:14.920 This is your first time listening, isn't it? 50:15.760 --> 50:17.260 Oh, yes, it actually is. 50:17.460 --> 50:20.800 I'm kind of new around this BinRev website. 50:20.900 --> 50:21.200 Awesome. 50:21.420 --> 50:22.880 Well, we hope you... 50:22.880 --> 50:25.440 Where are you located, if you don't mind saying? 50:26.320 --> 50:27.880 I am in Indiana. 50:28.420 --> 50:28.920 Sweet. 50:29.120 --> 50:29.780 Okay, cool. 50:30.160 --> 50:31.220 Gary, Indiana. 50:31.360 --> 50:33.340 We're in Alabama. 50:35.080 --> 50:35.720 Alabama. 50:35.720 --> 50:39.980 That's what everybody says. 50:41.980 --> 50:43.700 That's how much fat is in here. 50:43.760 --> 50:44.840 Hello, noobs. 50:45.480 --> 50:46.040 There we go. 50:48.100 --> 50:49.280 You've got to send me that. 50:49.340 --> 50:50.080 That's awesome. 50:50.080 --> 50:54.640 I have to ask someone permission, because that's where I get it from. 50:54.720 --> 50:58.600 And I'd just like to send a shout-out to Doug once again for sending that to me. 50:58.760 --> 50:59.300 Thank you, Doug. 51:00.880 --> 51:01.660 Well, sweet. 51:01.780 --> 51:03.740 Thank you, MDCowboy. 51:03.800 --> 51:04.680 Thank you for calling in. 51:04.780 --> 51:07.720 Hope to hear more from you in the future. 51:08.620 --> 51:08.980 Yeah. 51:09.920 --> 51:10.280 Sweet. 51:10.280 --> 51:13.220 Have a good evening, man. 51:13.780 --> 51:14.320 Yeah, man. 51:14.340 --> 51:14.700 You too. 51:14.880 --> 51:15.200 See ya. 51:15.460 --> 51:15.780 See ya. 51:16.020 --> 51:16.300 See ya. 51:17.820 --> 51:18.600 All right. 51:19.300 --> 51:22.600 So, we're moving on to personal hacking stories now. 51:23.580 --> 51:27.860 Is the other person still there, or... 51:27.860 --> 51:28.600 Which other person? 51:28.720 --> 51:30.040 Oh, on the call-in number? 51:30.680 --> 51:30.980 Yeah. 51:31.540 --> 51:32.780 Yeah, let me take a look. 51:32.780 --> 51:35.360 Well, I guess you guys talk amongst yourselves for the time to be. 51:35.740 --> 51:35.960 Yes. 51:36.180 --> 51:37.200 I'll give you a topic. 51:37.840 --> 51:39.400 A guinea pig is either a guinea nor a pig. 51:41.160 --> 51:42.320 Thank you, Strom. 51:44.160 --> 51:47.280 Yes, the entire point of the Hello Noobs was... 51:48.060 --> 51:49.280 We partially... 51:50.140 --> 51:51.120 We wanted... 51:51.120 --> 51:51.960 Not we. 51:52.080 --> 51:54.420 Doug wanted to get Allison Smith to say that, 51:54.480 --> 51:57.320 and basically he had to come down, write out the text, 51:57.440 --> 51:59.560 and then had to write it out all phonetically for her. 52:01.080 --> 52:03.280 Which was very interesting on my thing, 52:04.000 --> 52:07.460 because, you know, we're just used to all saying all these type of crazy terminology, 52:07.460 --> 52:10.940 but when you actually get someone who's not used to speaking it, 52:11.020 --> 52:13.460 it's kind of interesting talking about it. 52:15.540 --> 52:22.160 But Allison Smith came through and recorded this wonderful intro for the voice bridge that we were on. 52:22.820 --> 52:24.120 That was running on asterisk. 52:27.000 --> 52:27.480 Cool. 52:27.480 --> 52:31.980 Yes, and apparently, uh, Strom is interviewing the heck out of these people. 52:34.800 --> 52:36.800 Yeah, I guess that other caller hung up. 52:37.600 --> 52:38.200 Oh, what a shame. 52:38.920 --> 52:39.320 All right. 52:39.740 --> 52:41.200 Hey, personal hacking stories time. 52:42.900 --> 52:44.560 We're, like, never going to get to our main topic. 52:44.640 --> 52:45.900 We're already, like, almost an hour in. 52:45.960 --> 52:46.720 We're only on personal hacking stories. 52:46.720 --> 52:49.100 Well, this is sort of very, we're getting Collins, 52:49.240 --> 52:54.500 this is sort of, like, you know, free-flowing with Mark Spencer and the rest of the Elite Digium crew. 52:56.860 --> 52:57.260 Yeah. 52:57.720 --> 53:01.500 You guys are so 31,337, it's not even funny. 53:05.120 --> 53:07.900 You will be connected with the next available agent. 53:08.100 --> 53:12.680 However, if they don't feel the connection, don't expect it to work out. 53:16.720 --> 53:18.740 I love Allison. 53:19.620 --> 53:19.940 Yeah. 53:20.320 --> 53:21.360 And she will say everything. 53:21.600 --> 53:22.980 Well, except for one word. 53:23.060 --> 53:23.940 Except for one word. 53:23.960 --> 53:24.540 Except for one word, yeah. 53:24.700 --> 53:25.880 There is one word. 53:29.600 --> 53:31.780 All right, Strom, what have you been doing this week? 53:32.440 --> 53:35.320 Oh, boy, I have been playing with my new logic analyzer. 53:36.100 --> 53:37.360 You have a logic analyzer? 53:37.560 --> 53:40.120 Yeah, I bought a logic analyzer, a USB logic analyzer, 53:40.120 --> 53:45.780 that I've been using to analyze the connections between a smart card and its reader. 53:46.720 --> 53:47.000 Oh. 53:48.060 --> 53:50.320 So that's been kind of a fun learning experience. 53:50.400 --> 53:52.660 It's like, I've never used a logic analyzer before, 53:52.800 --> 53:56.360 so I've been kind of bashing my head against the wall trying to figure it out. 53:57.220 --> 54:00.540 Last time I used a logic analyzer was 2002 when I was in college, 54:01.040 --> 54:02.660 and I still don't know how to use it, so. 54:04.360 --> 54:12.400 Last time I used a logic analyzer was last night, actually. 54:13.100 --> 54:13.940 About this week. 54:13.940 --> 54:20.200 But I have one of the HP ones. 54:21.460 --> 54:23.040 Oh, HPs are nice. 54:24.000 --> 54:24.300 Yeah. 54:25.000 --> 54:28.440 That was like the best buy I've ever made, actually. 54:28.580 --> 54:35.560 The best buy we've ever made was we bought like a color HP logic analyzer off of eBay 54:35.560 --> 54:36.800 for like $350. 54:37.900 --> 54:40.380 It's like 50 grand new or something like that. 54:40.540 --> 54:41.220 It's like unbelievable. 54:41.220 --> 54:42.300 That's a pretty good skill. 54:42.800 --> 54:43.160 Awesome. 54:43.740 --> 54:44.340 Oh, yeah. 54:44.460 --> 54:48.480 And after we got it, we found out that it actually can connect up to an X Windows server, 54:49.040 --> 54:51.040 and like you can run it entirely remotely. 54:51.520 --> 54:52.160 That was sweet. 54:54.760 --> 54:55.680 That's amazing. 54:55.680 --> 54:59.020 If you're working on something in the lab, like, you know, next building, 54:59.720 --> 55:01.960 you can safely do it from your office. 55:01.960 --> 55:06.320 So when you have that bomb coming in, you know, 55:06.380 --> 55:08.760 you can just sort of hook up the logic analyzer to it, 55:08.820 --> 55:10.660 then pull up an X term from across the street? 55:12.360 --> 55:17.780 Well, yeah, something like that. 55:20.000 --> 55:21.000 Just roll with it, man. 55:21.060 --> 55:21.480 Just roll with it. 55:21.480 --> 55:26.200 Thanks to our friends at the NSA, this call may be recorded or monitored. 55:26.700 --> 55:29.020 In the interests of national security. 55:32.560 --> 55:34.280 Okay, it's time to do that one. 55:35.740 --> 55:39.220 Okay, just these are going into the asterisk distribution, right? 55:39.760 --> 55:44.060 They're already in the asterisk sounds out of SBN trunk. 55:44.920 --> 55:47.120 Oh, I am so grabbing them right after the show. 55:47.920 --> 55:48.120 Yeah. 55:51.960 --> 55:53.860 I feel another one coming on. 55:54.620 --> 55:54.840 Yeah. 55:55.540 --> 55:57.260 Well, just pretty much whatever there's silence. 55:57.380 --> 56:00.500 But I'm trying to, like, let us have a conversation in between 56:00.500 --> 56:04.040 so they're not totally, like, you know, just one after another. 56:04.360 --> 56:04.680 Oh, yeah. 56:04.680 --> 56:08.600 I have to go in for the not funny enough. 56:08.600 --> 56:14.040 So, Mark, what have you been messing around with this week in your personal stuff? 56:15.060 --> 56:16.680 In my personal stuff? 56:17.300 --> 56:17.660 I don't know. 56:17.800 --> 56:18.220 I don't know. 56:18.220 --> 56:22.000 I'm, like, it's so blurred between work and play. 56:22.140 --> 56:22.880 He doesn't leave. 56:23.160 --> 56:25.120 I rarely leave the office, yeah. 56:25.720 --> 56:28.380 Yeah, every time I talk to him, I pull up his webcam, and it's like, 56:28.500 --> 56:29.360 you're at the office? 56:30.260 --> 56:30.620 Yeah. 56:30.860 --> 56:33.100 I'm, like, you're in the conference room. 56:33.160 --> 56:34.480 You can't look at your office right now. 56:34.560 --> 56:34.880 Darn it. 56:35.580 --> 56:37.120 I thought it would be cool that everyone could, like, 56:37.120 --> 56:41.180 look at the Mark Spencer webcam right now and see him live on the radio. 56:41.760 --> 56:45.560 Well, I can walk in there, but the phone would have to stay. 56:45.620 --> 56:45.940 Oh, wait. 56:46.000 --> 56:46.600 No, I can do it. 56:46.640 --> 56:46.920 Hold on. 56:53.920 --> 56:55.560 Wait, is he walking in there now? 56:56.360 --> 56:57.280 Yes, he's in there. 56:57.960 --> 56:59.240 Oh, actually, what's the URL? 56:59.420 --> 56:59.900 I don't even know. 56:59.900 --> 57:01.060 It's marcocam.com. 57:01.520 --> 57:02.680 Marcocam.com, yeah. 57:04.260 --> 57:05.820 Marcocam.com. 57:05.920 --> 57:06.420 There he is. 57:06.420 --> 57:07.620 I see the side of his body. 57:07.620 --> 57:09.140 Yep, I'm right here. 57:09.260 --> 57:09.520 Woo! 57:11.220 --> 57:11.960 There he is. 57:12.600 --> 57:14.700 Yeah, be sure to change the face on the robot. 57:17.280 --> 57:19.520 Let me, let me, re-center it. 57:19.580 --> 57:23.100 Hey, he's wearing his Linus is my homeboy shirt. 57:28.380 --> 57:28.940 He's smiling. 57:28.940 --> 57:31.360 As everyone just sort of flocks to marcocam.com. 57:31.600 --> 57:31.760 Yeah. 57:31.760 --> 57:32.440 Yeah, there you go. 57:32.440 --> 57:36.000 I wonder how many people we actually have listening to our show right now. 57:36.560 --> 57:37.380 That's a good question. 57:38.380 --> 57:39.140 Let's find out. 57:39.320 --> 57:41.660 It's GDP hacking. 57:41.660 --> 57:44.420 So, what have you been working on? 57:46.160 --> 57:47.140 Well, let's see. 57:48.120 --> 57:54.740 I've been working on, let's see, one project that we haven't announced yet, so I can't really 57:54.740 --> 58:01.680 talk about that one, and I've been doing some hacking on the VPN100M, which is part of the, 58:01.720 --> 58:04.540 it's the hardware hacker cancer for the TDM2400P. 58:05.460 --> 58:09.780 And that's been my project so far for the last few days. 58:11.800 --> 58:14.720 And, yeah, that's about, more or less it. 58:15.440 --> 58:19.180 How about hacking on the TDM400 so it's cheaper, so people like I can afford it? 58:20.000 --> 58:20.900 Yeah, I said it. 58:21.340 --> 58:22.500 One of these days. 58:22.500 --> 58:24.860 Oh, man. 58:25.300 --> 58:26.220 Not soon enough. 58:28.260 --> 58:29.280 Well, give it some time. 58:30.080 --> 58:30.300 Nah. 58:30.520 --> 58:31.600 I've been giving it tons of time. 58:31.700 --> 58:32.660 It's been like a year and a half. 58:33.060 --> 58:33.380 Damn it. 58:33.560 --> 58:36.040 Everything's supposed to halve in price every 18 months. 58:36.540 --> 58:37.500 That's what more is. 58:37.500 --> 58:47.220 As for myself, I talked a little bit last week about Suitsat, and also they talked about 58:47.220 --> 58:50.460 it on the, off the hook on 2600. 58:51.900 --> 58:58.880 Suitsat, Suitsat, I wouldn't say it failed miserably, but it definitely did not function. 58:58.880 --> 58:59.480 But it failed happily. 59:00.240 --> 59:01.420 It failed happily, yes. 59:01.900 --> 59:03.840 It was a learning experience. 59:03.960 --> 59:06.120 That's how people try to pass off failure. 59:06.520 --> 59:07.800 Oh, it was a learning experience. 59:09.640 --> 59:15.780 Suitsat got shoved out of the airlock on Friday, I'm not sure what the date was, last Friday 59:15.780 --> 59:20.260 at 5 p.m. Eastern, and for two orbits, it worked like a charm. 59:20.620 --> 59:25.980 And fortunately, I believe those two orbits really, it was a majority of ocean when it 59:25.980 --> 59:26.400 went over. 59:26.960 --> 59:31.080 And after those two orbits, they couldn't hear it anymore, which was very disappointing, 59:31.200 --> 59:31.940 and they thought it died. 59:31.940 --> 59:36.920 But as of right now, actually, I'm going to go pull up the website, and I'll just make 59:36.920 --> 59:37.780 sure that it's still working. 59:37.980 --> 59:43.840 It's transmitting, however, it's transmitting very weakly, and unless you have a very good 59:43.840 --> 59:50.140 antenna, you are not going to hear it, or you are unlikely to hear it. 59:51.740 --> 59:51.920 Yeah. 59:53.620 --> 59:54.940 And actually, you can... 59:55.760 --> 59:56.120 Hey! 59:56.440 --> 59:58.200 Get your hand out of the Red Bull fridge! 59:59.460 --> 59:59.840 Right. 01:00:00.300 --> 01:00:00.740 Okay. 01:00:00.740 --> 01:00:00.800 Okay. 01:00:00.800 --> 01:00:04.800 We're going to have a Mark Spencer soundboard after this. 01:00:07.800 --> 01:00:08.900 It is still orbiting. 01:00:09.080 --> 01:00:11.100 Apparently, what it is, is I'm just going to... 01:00:11.100 --> 01:00:18.020 The original frequency you're supposed to listen to it on was 145.99 megahertz, but actually 01:00:18.020 --> 01:00:24.100 what they're doing on the International Space Station is they are rebroadcasting it on 437.8 01:00:24.100 --> 01:00:27.540 megahertz, which is the downlink for the International Space Station. 01:00:27.540 --> 01:00:34.860 So, you are going to be able to hear it, hopefully, maybe, we hope. 01:00:34.860 --> 01:00:42.900 Just listen to it over the next couple of days, because I believe the actual time frame was they 01:00:42.900 --> 01:00:47.720 expected it to last was about a week, but we don't know exactly what's going to happen 01:00:47.720 --> 01:00:51.620 with it, because everything's sort of gone out the window, because it started failing. 01:00:52.580 --> 01:00:56.520 So, they expect to have another one out in 2007, so hopefully that one will work well. 01:00:56.520 --> 01:01:00.820 Uh, they actually think what happened was the batteries froze, or possibly something came 01:01:00.820 --> 01:01:02.900 loose inside this, uh, space suit. 01:01:03.260 --> 01:01:06.160 Are they going to try and retrieve it and do, uh, forensics on it? 01:01:06.160 --> 01:01:08.660 Um, no, it's going to burn up in the atmosphere. 01:01:08.880 --> 01:01:09.440 Oh, charming. 01:01:10.040 --> 01:01:12.600 And if it lands in your, um, front yard, hey, you get to keep it. 01:01:13.200 --> 01:01:13.480 Yay! 01:01:13.660 --> 01:01:14.520 Free Russian space suit. 01:01:16.560 --> 01:01:18.400 Or a pre-Russian space cinder. 01:01:19.340 --> 01:01:19.700 Yes. 01:01:21.040 --> 01:01:26.040 No, as of two hours ago, it is still transmitting, just so you know, and this was, uh, that would 01:01:26.040 --> 01:01:30.080 be 8.31 p.m. Eastern, and it was picked up by someone in Europe, I believe. 01:01:30.080 --> 01:01:38.000 Um, suitsat.org is actually, they have, they've plotted it all out on the, uh, on the map, and 01:01:38.000 --> 01:01:40.440 who's here in it, and who hasn't, and all that kind of wonderful stuff. 01:01:41.040 --> 01:01:42.960 So, and it is. 01:01:43.380 --> 01:01:47.580 Um, the other thing that I've been working on is I've been working on, um, wonderful GIS 01:01:47.580 --> 01:01:51.080 mapping with, uh, on Windows, which is always fun. 01:01:51.620 --> 01:01:53.400 And I, I just want to plug this project. 01:01:53.580 --> 01:01:57.080 It's, uh, tinyurl.com slash 876bravo7. 01:01:57.080 --> 01:02:01.920 I, I lightly mentioned it last week, but we were sort of rushed for time, so I, I plowed 01:02:01.920 --> 01:02:02.500 right through it. 01:02:03.140 --> 01:02:08.820 Um, it's called Sharp Map, and it's basically, it's this, it's this one guy out in Germany, 01:02:08.920 --> 01:02:11.960 and I believe, I, I believe actually he's younger than me, which is kind of depressing. 01:02:12.520 --> 01:02:18.160 Um, and basically he has wrote, written this open source GIS, uh, library for .NET and C 01:02:18.160 --> 01:02:22.000 Sharp, uh, for Windows all by himself, which is just absolutely amazing. 01:02:22.000 --> 01:02:26.720 And, and it's, it's, it's just a wonderful project, and it made a lot of things that 01:02:26.720 --> 01:02:31.740 I needed to do insanely easier than I thought they would be, and I, I just want to send shouts 01:02:31.740 --> 01:02:32.200 out to them. 01:02:33.280 --> 01:02:38.320 And I've actually, I, I, I've sort of become the default op into their, uh, IRC channel, 01:02:38.400 --> 01:02:40.240 because I'm the only one there 24-7. 01:02:40.660 --> 01:02:44.480 So basically I'm the one who keeps the, uh, little at symbol by his name the entire time. 01:02:44.480 --> 01:02:51.400 So, that would be, uh, it's, uh, Sharp Map, uh, take a look at it. 01:02:51.480 --> 01:02:55.060 If you're very interested, if you ever want to map in Windows, or do some type of mapping 01:02:55.060 --> 01:02:59.640 or statistical analysis via GIS, uh, just look at that library, it's pretty good. 01:03:00.220 --> 01:03:01.680 And those are the two things that I've been doing. 01:03:02.760 --> 01:03:06.000 I actually need to, uh, listen to a suitsat pass on that other frequency, Ian. 01:03:09.340 --> 01:03:09.700 Cool. 01:03:10.020 --> 01:03:10.820 So I think in the... 01:03:10.820 --> 01:03:13.060 So now, now we're actually getting into specific show topics. 01:03:13.060 --> 01:03:15.420 Yeah, with only 25 minutes left to go on the show. 01:03:16.140 --> 01:03:18.320 We've only weaved in and out of it the entire night. 01:03:18.480 --> 01:03:19.020 Yeah, we have. 01:03:19.100 --> 01:03:23.420 Uh, actually we have, we do have one more phone call, which is completely off topic. 01:03:24.020 --> 01:03:24.740 So do you want to take it? 01:03:24.740 --> 01:03:25.420 Can we take it out of the way first? 01:03:25.640 --> 01:03:26.360 Yeah, sure, why not? 01:03:26.500 --> 01:03:28.060 Eh, okay, I'll see if it's still there. 01:03:30.660 --> 01:03:31.500 See, and run. 01:03:33.440 --> 01:03:34.960 So yeah, suitsat's fun. 01:03:35.140 --> 01:03:39.100 Um, I, I, I'm, I'm really hoping that I'm going to hear it before it actually, you know, 01:03:39.160 --> 01:03:39.660 goes dead. 01:03:39.660 --> 01:03:43.520 Because I, I, I basically got out at 10 a.m. 01:03:43.520 --> 01:03:46.180 And I listened to, uh, I had to wake up early on Saturday. 01:03:46.240 --> 01:03:46.920 I was very disappointed. 01:03:47.780 --> 01:03:53.380 And, um, I, I sat out in my car with my, my mount antenna and I listened for it and heard 01:03:53.380 --> 01:03:53.680 nothing. 01:03:53.800 --> 01:03:55.260 And I was very depressed. 01:03:56.260 --> 01:04:01.180 But if they're, um, what, but what basically the, the new frequency that I gave out is the, 01:04:01.180 --> 01:04:05.500 uh, International Space Station is listening for it and also retransmitting it on a different 01:04:05.500 --> 01:04:09.940 frequency, so their transmitter is more powerful and they're only like two miles away from 01:04:09.940 --> 01:04:10.520 it in space. 01:04:10.680 --> 01:04:14.180 So they should be able to hear it better than anyone off on the ground could. 01:04:15.500 --> 01:04:18.620 Um, good stuff. 01:04:19.680 --> 01:04:26.860 So, in the interest of better customer service, this call, ah, hell, listen, if we were interested 01:04:26.860 --> 01:04:29.860 in better customer service, you wouldn't be listening to a recording. 01:04:31.400 --> 01:04:32.120 Ha, ha, ha, ha. 01:04:35.440 --> 01:04:37.680 I wonder if anyone actually uses these out in the field. 01:04:39.080 --> 01:04:42.700 Well, actually, that was the topic of one of my, my talks. 01:04:43.700 --> 01:04:48.980 Because, um, we didn't used to use Voice of IP for our incoming 800 number. 01:04:48.980 --> 01:04:53.040 We used TDM for that because, like a lot of people, we were just afraid of using Voice 01:04:53.040 --> 01:04:56.320 of IP across the wide open internet in a real business environment. 01:04:57.000 --> 01:05:02.620 And then one day, someone discovered an extension, uh, on our, on our phone system. 01:05:03.840 --> 01:05:10.140 Uh, and, actually, let me see if I can play it for you. 01:05:10.520 --> 01:05:14.720 I, I hadn't planned on it, but, I'll play it for you. 01:05:14.840 --> 01:05:15.240 Hold on. 01:05:15.240 --> 01:05:21.720 And then, it'll be like, you know, Mark, Mark Spencer's Pornhouse After Hours. 01:05:22.680 --> 01:05:23.400 Let's see here. 01:05:23.460 --> 01:05:24.720 Hold on just one sec. 01:05:24.780 --> 01:05:26.720 I'm going to try to do this. 01:05:26.860 --> 01:05:27.520 Let's see here. 01:05:32.400 --> 01:05:33.440 Hmm, oops. 01:05:34.560 --> 01:05:35.360 It should be two. 01:05:40.420 --> 01:05:42.660 You're listening to Typing Radio Live. 01:05:42.680 --> 01:05:43.640 Thank you for holding. 01:05:43.640 --> 01:05:46.260 Your call is very important to us. 01:05:46.600 --> 01:05:47.780 Please stay on the line. 01:05:48.180 --> 01:05:51.040 You are the, I'm sorry. 01:05:51.440 --> 01:05:53.000 You're not the next caller in line. 01:05:53.380 --> 01:05:59.580 In fact, you are so far down the list, it's actually likely that we won't get to your call 01:05:59.580 --> 01:06:00.100 today. 01:06:01.080 --> 01:06:05.940 The next human voice that you might hear on the other end of this line is probably going 01:06:05.940 --> 01:06:10.020 to be the cleaning lady at 11 o'clock tonight, noticing the phone is off the hook. 01:06:10.020 --> 01:06:15.060 She'll pick up and go, hello, and that's, that's the best we'll do for you today. 01:06:15.160 --> 01:06:15.660 I'm sorry. 01:06:15.780 --> 01:06:16.940 I have to be honest with you. 01:06:17.500 --> 01:06:19.620 You are not the next caller in line. 01:06:20.120 --> 01:06:20.900 Hang up now. 01:06:21.540 --> 01:06:22.360 Live your life. 01:06:22.700 --> 01:06:23.900 Spend time with your children. 01:06:24.960 --> 01:06:26.440 Don't stay on hold. 01:06:26.440 --> 01:06:30.280 You are not the next caller in line. 01:06:31.480 --> 01:06:32.560 I love that one. 01:06:33.100 --> 01:06:35.820 I was mouthing the words along with that as you played it. 01:06:35.820 --> 01:06:42.500 And so, with that prompt, someone sent out one of those emails that people on ALL tend 01:06:42.500 --> 01:06:43.740 to forward to, like, everybody. 01:06:44.460 --> 01:06:48.180 And those people would, in turn, call their friends and tell them to call our toll-free 01:06:48.180 --> 01:06:49.640 number and dial that extension. 01:06:50.480 --> 01:06:55.220 And so there was this massive number of calls that was coming in, like, you know, several 01:06:55.220 --> 01:07:00.760 hundred an hour, coming across our toll-free line with, you know, PRI with all these people 01:07:00.760 --> 01:07:02.920 calling this extension that had this message on it. 01:07:02.920 --> 01:07:09.140 And we basically had to move to Voice RIP, and then people didn't really mind, and so 01:07:09.140 --> 01:07:09.660 we kept it. 01:07:12.640 --> 01:07:13.400 That's awesome. 01:07:15.220 --> 01:07:18.220 This is Behold the Power of the Internet, right there. 01:07:18.400 --> 01:07:18.840 Oh, yes. 01:07:19.980 --> 01:07:20.380 Exactly. 01:07:21.580 --> 01:07:22.420 Into our web. 01:07:22.420 --> 01:07:26.900 All right, so since we're actually going to get on to it a little bit, so, Mark, tell us 01:07:26.900 --> 01:07:27.640 about Cheops. 01:07:28.580 --> 01:07:31.300 The entire, okay, let me preface this, actually. 01:07:31.300 --> 01:07:35.720 The entire point of the show was, I was just amazed at the sheer fact of the amount 01:07:35.720 --> 01:07:41.380 of software that I used in my, I guess you could say, Linux career that Mark wrote, which 01:07:41.380 --> 01:07:45.060 was, I was going through your website, and I was going, oh, God, I remember that. 01:07:45.440 --> 01:07:46.420 And I remember that, too. 01:07:46.880 --> 01:07:47.460 Oh, wow. 01:07:47.860 --> 01:07:48.480 Oh, wow. 01:07:49.700 --> 01:07:53.960 And it was just kind of, I always knew him as the person who wrote game, and now I knew 01:07:53.960 --> 01:07:55.140 him as the person who wrote asterisk. 01:07:55.140 --> 01:08:00.600 And it was just, like, kind of weird how much stuff you actually wrote that I remembered. 01:08:01.820 --> 01:08:07.640 So, one of the programs that, at least I always thought it was cool, was Cheops, or how do 01:08:07.640 --> 01:08:08.380 you actually pronounce it? 01:08:09.060 --> 01:08:09.880 Che-ops. 01:08:10.320 --> 01:08:10.940 Che-ops. 01:08:11.040 --> 01:08:11.380 Che-ops. 01:08:13.160 --> 01:08:13.980 So, so, so. 01:08:14.000 --> 01:08:15.060 It's like Cheops. 01:08:16.100 --> 01:08:16.760 I don't know. 01:08:16.920 --> 01:08:18.760 I always picked it up at school, Cheops. 01:08:18.760 --> 01:08:19.580 Che-ops. 01:08:20.340 --> 01:08:21.260 Yeah, exactly. 01:08:21.260 --> 01:08:24.600 So, so what is, what is Cheops? 01:08:26.380 --> 01:08:34.480 It was a network user interface, or a NUI, with the idea that what you could do with Cheops 01:08:34.480 --> 01:08:42.800 was to give it a range of IP addresses or a domain, and it basically would either go out 01:08:42.800 --> 01:08:47.520 and LS the domain, get all the hosts, or go with the IP addresses, and then would go identify 01:08:47.520 --> 01:08:52.740 all of them with KSA, which was a precursor to NMAP, and it would put up little icons 01:08:52.740 --> 01:08:56.480 for each of the systems based on the operating system that was there, and then you could 01:08:56.480 --> 01:09:00.260 right-click on it, and it would port-scan it and give you the services that were available, 01:09:00.420 --> 01:09:05.380 so you could, like, just right-click and go SSH, or, like, right-click and go web, and 01:09:05.380 --> 01:09:08.140 it would bring up a web browser pointed to that particular machine. 01:09:08.820 --> 01:09:10.440 So it made it very easy to see your network. 01:09:10.440 --> 01:09:15.660 And then you could hit Control-M to map it, and it would use TraceRoute to show you how 01:09:15.660 --> 01:09:17.220 all the machines were connected together. 01:09:17.820 --> 01:09:22.920 So it was just a really convenient tool for exploring your network and being able to access 01:09:22.920 --> 01:09:24.720 machines real easily. 01:09:26.720 --> 01:09:30.580 And people used it a lot. 01:09:30.680 --> 01:09:34.760 It was even, in the early days, it was more popular than game in terms of the number of downloads, 01:09:34.760 --> 01:09:40.540 but game garnered maintainers, and KEOPS really didn't. 01:09:40.640 --> 01:09:44.760 And when I moved on to Asterisk, KEOPS really didn't go anywhere, and there was a lot that 01:09:44.760 --> 01:09:50.740 needed to be done, like the SNMP support could be improved, and, you know, it needed to be 01:09:50.740 --> 01:09:57.360 updated to use NMAP instead of KSO, and, you know, a lot of other stuff like that that 01:09:57.360 --> 01:09:57.860 needs to happen. 01:09:57.960 --> 01:10:01.000 But fundamentally, I think it was kind of a cool concept. 01:10:01.000 --> 01:10:08.160 I got a bit, but when I first stumbled across it in, like, you know, 99, 2000, to be honest, 01:10:08.220 --> 01:10:12.940 I don't remember when I did, like 99, 2000, thereabouts, I was just like, wow, this is 01:10:12.940 --> 01:10:18.600 the coolest thing ever, and I, back in, like we said before, back in the days without network 01:10:18.600 --> 01:10:20.960 security, no one actually knew what the hell was going on in their network. 01:10:21.340 --> 01:10:27.300 I did wonderful works of the entire, my entire corporate network where no one knew what the 01:10:27.300 --> 01:10:28.340 hell was going on. 01:10:29.040 --> 01:10:30.000 Oh, that's fantastic. 01:10:30.000 --> 01:10:37.300 In fact, one of the people that I work with here, Malcolm Davenport, KEOPS is how I found 01:10:37.300 --> 01:10:46.900 him, because I was running KEOPS on the local LAN network at the dorm I was in, and I was 01:10:46.900 --> 01:10:49.060 like, wait a second, there's another Linux box. 01:10:49.780 --> 01:10:50.640 How is that? 01:10:50.740 --> 01:10:52.840 And so I went running around looking for a Linux box. 01:10:52.840 --> 01:11:03.480 Actually, to be honest, I, I, we, we met somebody like that at my dorm, my freshman dorm, who 01:11:03.480 --> 01:11:09.900 was running Linux as well, and like, I just got into Linux, and I got, I, one of my friends 01:11:09.900 --> 01:11:14.720 also just got into it, and we were doing all this kind of stuff, and we were playing with 01:11:14.720 --> 01:11:20.400 Samba, and when you did the Samba client, it would say, um, you know, Windows NT, whatever 01:11:20.400 --> 01:11:23.680 it is, or like, it's a, you know, Samba, whatever, and we connected to the server, and we said, 01:11:24.020 --> 01:11:25.860 oh my God, this person's running Samba. 01:11:25.980 --> 01:11:30.620 So we tracked this person down to say, wow, you're running Linux, and he said, wow, you're 01:11:30.620 --> 01:11:31.660 running Linux too, and. 01:11:32.660 --> 01:11:33.380 And it was lovely. 01:11:33.380 --> 01:11:35.460 It was, it was wonderful. 01:11:35.640 --> 01:11:39.960 We actually, we stayed in touch during freshman and sophomore years, but then he dropped out, 01:11:40.040 --> 01:11:41.100 and we never really heard from him again. 01:11:41.700 --> 01:11:44.200 Then my friend dropped out, and I never heard from him again, so. 01:11:44.660 --> 01:11:46.380 So I have a funny Samba story. 01:11:46.640 --> 01:11:54.420 When I was a co-op at a fairly large telecommunications company with about 1,500 employees, okay, one 01:11:54.420 --> 01:12:00.880 day we came into the office, and nobody in one entire wing of the building, so like half 01:12:00.880 --> 01:12:06.420 the, half of the employees, right, 750 people, could not log in to the Windows network. 01:12:06.560 --> 01:12:08.160 It would just immediately reject their login. 01:12:08.820 --> 01:12:10.260 Oh God, I didn't know what happened. 01:12:10.660 --> 01:12:16.920 And the entire staff of, entire IT management was running around with this little fluke network 01:12:16.920 --> 01:12:20.840 meter, trying to figure out the source of the problem, and came running into my office 01:12:20.840 --> 01:12:22.980 saying, hey, it's your Linux box, isn't it? 01:12:23.660 --> 01:12:26.140 And I was like, uh, no, I'm not even running Samba. 01:12:26.600 --> 01:12:30.240 But then I ran an SMB client, and I was able to track down that there was a machine. 01:12:30.880 --> 01:12:36.640 That was running Samba, and went and found it, and it was that, one of those old, do you 01:12:36.640 --> 01:12:43.500 guys remember those little alpha 533, or not 533s, the alpha like 133s that were really 01:12:43.500 --> 01:12:45.060 popular for a long time? 01:12:45.640 --> 01:12:51.060 So someone was running one of those, they were basically like a 486, and he had Samba running 01:12:51.060 --> 01:12:51.460 on it. 01:12:51.660 --> 01:12:57.160 And his little alpha, his little miniature alpha, was answering. 01:12:57.160 --> 01:13:00.720 He had configured it for the same domain, which would have been okay, except he also turned 01:13:00.720 --> 01:13:01.720 on domain logins. 01:13:02.300 --> 01:13:08.560 And it was answering all the requests faster than the multi-processor Windows NT server that 01:13:08.560 --> 01:13:09.100 they had. 01:13:10.100 --> 01:13:15.800 So before the NT server could authenticate, then he was saying, nah, nah, you're not a user 01:13:15.800 --> 01:13:16.180 on me. 01:13:17.060 --> 01:13:18.260 So it was pretty funny. 01:13:18.620 --> 01:13:19.160 It's amusing. 01:13:19.160 --> 01:13:23.620 Yes, I do actually remember hearing stories about that. 01:13:23.700 --> 01:13:27.400 As soon as you said, no one in the entire wing of this building could log into the Windows 01:13:27.400 --> 01:13:27.660 network. 01:13:27.720 --> 01:13:32.320 It's like, oh God, somebody turned on domain logon support and made themselves a domain 01:13:32.320 --> 01:13:32.680 master. 01:13:33.020 --> 01:13:33.220 Yep. 01:13:33.940 --> 01:13:34.260 Exactly. 01:13:35.160 --> 01:13:37.600 Please select your home music. 01:13:37.860 --> 01:13:39.300 Press 1 for Led Zeppelin. 01:13:39.620 --> 01:13:41.000 Press 2 for Kenny G. 01:13:41.380 --> 01:13:42.920 Press 3 for Eminem. 01:13:43.280 --> 01:13:44.860 Press 4 for Weasels. 01:13:45.240 --> 01:13:48.960 Press 5 to hear me endlessly lifting digits you could press. 01:13:49.160 --> 01:13:52.480 Press 6 for fingernails screeching down a blackboard. 01:13:52.760 --> 01:13:54.260 Press 7 to hear a click. 01:13:54.640 --> 01:13:59.740 Hum, a ring back, and that bell woman saying, if you'd like to make a call, please hang up 01:13:59.740 --> 01:14:00.420 and try again. 01:14:00.740 --> 01:14:06.060 If you need help, hang up, and then dial your operator, followed by really loud beeping. 01:14:10.500 --> 01:14:12.480 Oh God, she talked about corn breath. 01:14:14.880 --> 01:14:16.300 That's our nickname for her. 01:14:16.300 --> 01:14:19.100 We're sorry, the number you have reached has been disconnected. 01:14:19.620 --> 01:14:23.920 Or, telephone service has been disconnected from this number due to telephone being disconnected. 01:14:25.580 --> 01:14:26.020 Yeah. 01:14:26.780 --> 01:14:32.700 Yeah, Evan Norbell had some master tapes of her, and he sliced her up to say that. 01:14:32.780 --> 01:14:33.120 But yeah. 01:14:34.380 --> 01:14:35.500 Ms. We're sorry. 01:14:35.640 --> 01:14:37.420 We're unable to personally answer your call right now. 01:14:38.200 --> 01:14:39.500 We call her corn breath. 01:14:39.700 --> 01:14:40.980 Lacking a better name for her. 01:14:40.980 --> 01:14:43.940 Because no one knows who she really is. 01:14:44.020 --> 01:14:44.220 Yeah. 01:14:44.240 --> 01:14:44.880 Do, do, do, do. 01:14:45.340 --> 01:14:47.260 Yeah, but she was the voice. 01:14:47.340 --> 01:14:52.620 When AT&T was re-standardizing all the recordings in the early 80s to get the SIT tones on everything, 01:14:52.960 --> 01:14:53.640 they used her. 01:14:54.040 --> 01:14:55.620 So that's why she's bloody everywhere now. 01:14:56.780 --> 01:14:57.180 Wow. 01:14:57.180 --> 01:14:59.640 So, let's think, oh, that'll be Allison one day. 01:14:59.900 --> 01:15:00.700 You just watch. 01:15:02.000 --> 01:15:02.360 Oh yeah. 01:15:02.420 --> 01:15:03.460 I'm hoping, we're hoping. 01:15:04.640 --> 01:15:06.200 That's our dream, to be honest with you. 01:15:06.280 --> 01:15:08.280 Because we're phone freaks and we have strange dreams. 01:15:08.900 --> 01:15:11.920 That Allison becomes the next Jane Barbie, as it were. 01:15:11.920 --> 01:15:13.920 Cool. 01:15:17.000 --> 01:15:22.580 If I ever get an AIS machine, I should make Allison say all the digits. 01:15:24.040 --> 01:15:29.920 Well, unless, of course, the original magnetic drum is intact with Jane on it, then in which case... 01:15:30.540 --> 01:15:32.840 Oh, of course, yes, yes, at which point you won't do anything. 01:15:35.840 --> 01:15:36.540 That's funny. 01:15:36.540 --> 01:15:37.340 All right. 01:15:37.440 --> 01:15:42.880 Well, we just sort of lightly touched on geops, which was really going to technically be our main topic, 01:15:43.000 --> 01:15:44.700 but I think this was a relatively good show. 01:15:45.000 --> 01:15:45.580 Oh, yeah, yeah. 01:15:45.780 --> 01:15:49.420 I guess if any of you listening out there are interested in maintaining geops, 01:15:50.020 --> 01:15:51.980 Mark, why don't you pitch this? 01:15:52.520 --> 01:15:53.100 Oh, yes. 01:15:53.280 --> 01:15:56.920 If anyone out there wants to be maintainer and, like, seriously has some skill, 01:15:57.480 --> 01:16:03.640 then, well, like, send me a patch that does something interesting, like convert it over to end map, 01:16:03.640 --> 01:16:10.640 and then if it works, then you can be the maintainer, and I would be very happy and would go, yay, 01:16:12.300 --> 01:16:14.120 and maybe I'll get Allison. 01:16:14.920 --> 01:16:18.120 Oh, and I bet we can get Allison to record your answering machine message. 01:16:20.000 --> 01:16:25.040 This call may be recorded and put up on our website for other customers to laugh at. 01:16:25.040 --> 01:16:34.860 Oh, good old Allison. 01:16:35.440 --> 01:16:36.680 That's what people should do, I think. 01:16:37.540 --> 01:16:44.340 These prompts, by the way, were inspired by Brad Templeton, who sent a list of these, 01:16:44.480 --> 01:16:46.600 and Allison was kind enough to do them all. 01:16:49.920 --> 01:16:51.900 You've seen Allison in business, don't you? 01:16:51.900 --> 01:16:57.900 Yeah, well, she certainly gets a lot of business through the Voice website. 01:16:58.800 --> 01:17:01.600 Because you can buy prompts with basically anything you want, 01:17:01.740 --> 01:17:07.000 and actually have Allison record them through the Digium website if you go through to the Voice. 01:17:07.000 --> 01:17:08.680 Like saying, hello, noobs. 01:17:09.600 --> 01:17:10.080 Exactly. 01:17:11.560 --> 01:17:12.040 Exactly. 01:17:15.560 --> 01:17:16.220 All right. 01:17:17.240 --> 01:17:17.680 Announcements. 01:17:17.680 --> 01:17:21.860 I still have the old announcements from last week, and I deleted those, so... 01:17:21.860 --> 01:17:23.060 I don't think there's any announcements. 01:17:23.320 --> 01:17:26.800 Well, SCALE is going to be this weekend in Los Angeles, Southern California Linux Expo, 01:17:26.860 --> 01:17:30.740 and actually, not only will I be there, but Mr. Spencer will be there as well. 01:17:31.520 --> 01:17:32.200 That's correct. 01:17:32.340 --> 01:17:33.180 From what I understand, yes. 01:17:34.860 --> 01:17:37.240 Are you going to be at Linux World Boston, Mr. Spencer? 01:17:39.640 --> 01:17:40.540 Mr. Spencer. 01:17:41.640 --> 01:17:42.620 That sounds so weird. 01:17:42.620 --> 01:17:46.380 I don't know. 01:17:47.060 --> 01:17:48.460 I think I might be. 01:17:48.780 --> 01:17:51.940 I have to look at the conference calendar, but I think I might be speaking there, actually. 01:17:52.900 --> 01:17:53.280 I don't know. 01:17:53.360 --> 01:17:54.640 I think I might be speaking there. 01:17:54.720 --> 01:17:55.300 I don't know. 01:17:55.720 --> 01:17:55.980 Oh, no. 01:17:56.140 --> 01:17:56.420 I wish. 01:17:56.620 --> 01:17:59.000 I can't wait until I'm that popular, and I can say that. 01:17:59.040 --> 01:17:59.720 You can look on it. 01:18:00.100 --> 01:18:01.360 It'll be on the digital book. 01:18:01.540 --> 01:18:05.840 One of the things is that I sort of transitioned to this point. 01:18:05.840 --> 01:18:11.600 At first, the way it starts out is that you have people that kind of help you with things 01:18:11.600 --> 01:18:17.640 like figuring out where you need to be and so on, and then at some point, that whole relationship 01:18:17.640 --> 01:18:23.620 changes, and you realize that you basically have handlers that tell you now where to go 01:18:23.620 --> 01:18:28.240 and where you have to be, and that just, you know, I sort of come into work, and I'm like, 01:18:28.360 --> 01:18:30.420 okay, where am I going this week, you know? 01:18:30.420 --> 01:18:32.680 Where do I have to be? 01:18:33.480 --> 01:18:39.400 So it's a very different kind of relationship than the way it starts out. 01:18:39.740 --> 01:18:40.460 Yeah, it was so weird. 01:18:40.560 --> 01:18:47.140 When I scheduled Mark to be on the show, I just hit him up on AIM, and I said, hey, do 01:18:47.140 --> 01:18:48.920 you want to be on our show this week? 01:18:48.960 --> 01:18:57.540 And he's like, yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm available, but email my assistant instead and have her 01:18:57.540 --> 01:19:00.860 verify everything, because I don't even know what my schedule looks like anymore. 01:19:01.620 --> 01:19:01.880 Right. 01:19:02.460 --> 01:19:06.060 We're trying to get Zimbra up and running, though, so once we have Zimbra up and running, 01:19:06.180 --> 01:19:10.560 then hopefully I'll get to have a little bit of say in my own schedule, because then I 01:19:10.560 --> 01:19:14.440 won't have to conflict with whatever everybody else puts down for me. 01:19:15.980 --> 01:19:16.340 Hmm. 01:19:18.140 --> 01:19:19.800 Have you guys seen Zimbra, by the way? 01:19:21.400 --> 01:19:21.760 Zimbra? 01:19:22.440 --> 01:19:22.800 Yeah. 01:19:23.080 --> 01:19:24.160 Z-I-M-B-R-A. 01:19:24.500 --> 01:19:26.640 No, but I had a coworker once named Zimbra. 01:19:27.540 --> 01:19:30.660 No, not exactly. 01:19:30.860 --> 01:19:38.800 It is actually an Exchange drop-in replacement, protocol-level compatible with Exchange with 01:19:38.800 --> 01:19:42.920 an AJAX Web Outlook look-alike. 01:19:43.760 --> 01:19:45.180 Free as in B or free as in speech? 01:19:45.980 --> 01:19:50.460 Free as in speech, and it's really pretty amazing. 01:19:50.460 --> 01:19:57.960 Of course, it's AJAX, so if you have a slow web browser, yeah, you'll want to use POP and 01:19:57.960 --> 01:19:59.180 IMAP to connect up to it. 01:19:59.260 --> 01:20:04.480 But it's got calendaring, it's got email, and it has a pluggable interface where you can do 01:20:04.480 --> 01:20:08.860 cool things, like it can recognize a FedEx tracking number or UPS tracking number, and 01:20:08.860 --> 01:20:13.200 when you mouse over it, it'll, you know, tell you what its status is. 01:20:13.980 --> 01:20:16.860 So it's pretty nifty stuff. 01:20:17.680 --> 01:20:19.020 You can mouse over an address. 01:20:19.120 --> 01:20:22.280 If you go to Zimbra.com, they have an online demo you can go through. 01:20:22.560 --> 01:20:23.880 That's Z-I-N-B-R-A? 01:20:23.880 --> 01:20:24.480 I'll have to check that out. 01:20:25.100 --> 01:20:25.300 Correct. 01:20:25.500 --> 01:20:26.120 Z-I-N. 01:20:27.900 --> 01:20:28.900 Let's see if I can remember. 01:20:28.900 --> 01:20:29.680 Z-I-N-D-I. 01:20:29.700 --> 01:20:30.540 Zebra, indigo. 01:20:32.040 --> 01:20:32.520 Mike. 01:20:33.140 --> 01:20:33.620 Mike. 01:20:34.480 --> 01:20:35.840 Bravo, Romeo, Alpha. 01:20:39.840 --> 01:20:40.320 Bravo. 01:20:42.160 --> 01:20:42.920 That's R. 01:20:44.640 --> 01:20:45.040 Romeo. 01:20:45.040 --> 01:20:45.820 Romeo, I just said. 01:20:45.840 --> 01:20:46.560 Romeo, yeah. 01:20:47.820 --> 01:20:50.220 Zulu, India, Mike, Bravo, Romeo, Alpha. 01:20:50.940 --> 01:20:51.360 Thank you. 01:20:51.860 --> 01:20:53.420 Oh, here's a question for our listeners. 01:20:53.640 --> 01:20:55.360 I would love to find out. 01:20:55.360 --> 01:21:03.280 We were debating about whether or not you could create the entire phonetic alphabet using only expletives. 01:21:05.920 --> 01:21:07.560 And I could get no farther. 01:21:08.180 --> 01:21:10.080 I couldn't come up with a good one for E. 01:21:10.680 --> 01:21:15.560 So with that thought, we can let our listeners work on it and see what they come up with. 01:21:15.680 --> 01:21:18.640 If we get that assembled, we will read the whole thing on the radio show. 01:21:18.720 --> 01:21:19.440 I guarantee you. 01:21:20.120 --> 01:21:20.600 Who will? 01:21:21.760 --> 01:21:22.460 Who will? 01:21:22.460 --> 01:21:23.500 I will. 01:21:24.000 --> 01:21:26.080 I will personally read the whole thing on the radio show. 01:21:27.280 --> 01:21:27.840 All right. 01:21:27.900 --> 01:21:29.060 We'll have a swearing episode. 01:21:29.200 --> 01:21:31.440 We do nothing but curse the entire time. 01:21:33.980 --> 01:21:34.660 All right. 01:21:34.800 --> 01:21:37.540 So, Scale, do we have any other announcements? 01:21:37.660 --> 01:21:38.800 Because they're just kind of running out of time. 01:21:40.000 --> 01:21:40.800 Not that I can think of. 01:21:41.200 --> 01:21:46.460 There's OSBC in San Francisco, too, the very following week, which I'll be at. 01:21:46.460 --> 01:21:48.860 But, so, yeah. 01:21:49.180 --> 01:21:51.080 That's the open source business conference. 01:21:52.400 --> 01:21:54.580 Other than that, I don't know what else beyond that. 01:21:54.680 --> 01:21:57.000 Eventually, there's Vaughn in San Jose. 01:21:57.960 --> 01:21:59.240 Lots of stuff out in California. 01:22:00.240 --> 01:22:01.100 Yay, California. 01:22:01.840 --> 01:22:03.040 Well, because it's winter up in there. 01:22:03.040 --> 01:22:07.220 I just can't understand why there aren't more voice over IP conferences in Alabama. 01:22:07.220 --> 01:22:08.720 It just blows my mind. 01:22:09.420 --> 01:22:12.060 Well, what drives me nuts is there's no hacker conferences in Boston. 01:22:12.180 --> 01:22:14.840 I mean, heck, that actually kind of makes sense. 01:22:15.880 --> 01:22:16.060 Yeah. 01:22:16.520 --> 01:22:16.880 Ooh. 01:22:18.880 --> 01:22:20.600 MIT, we've got all the smart people up here. 01:22:20.680 --> 01:22:22.700 But, no, no geeky conferences up here. 01:22:24.280 --> 01:22:25.660 Hell, we just got Linux World. 01:22:26.000 --> 01:22:27.520 We've got five minutes left. 01:22:27.520 --> 01:22:30.240 And we have Vaughn coming up in the fall. 01:22:32.260 --> 01:22:34.540 Yes, we have Vaughn coming up in the fall, too, which I'll be attending. 01:22:35.680 --> 01:22:40.120 Site of the week, we're going to go with the Sharp map again, which is, hold on. 01:22:40.280 --> 01:22:41.640 I completely lost my URL. 01:22:41.840 --> 01:22:42.940 I said it early in the episode. 01:22:43.040 --> 01:22:43.500 Just go there. 01:22:44.860 --> 01:22:46.640 Email radio at binrev.com. 01:22:47.500 --> 01:22:49.000 Mark, do you have any shouts out to people? 01:22:51.720 --> 01:22:53.760 All of the Asterisk developers out there. 01:22:54.120 --> 01:22:54.660 Thank you. 01:22:55.280 --> 01:22:57.400 I really appreciate all the help that we get. 01:22:57.660 --> 01:23:02.700 For people that go and develop with Asterisk and post their patches 01:23:02.700 --> 01:23:07.660 and put up with how long it takes us sometimes to get the more complicated ones in, 01:23:08.040 --> 01:23:14.980 I just really can't express enough my appreciation for all the help that we get. 01:23:15.840 --> 01:23:21.140 How long it takes to get into fights with JerJer on the Mantis system 01:23:21.140 --> 01:23:24.260 about saying that my patch does work, yet he doesn't believe me. 01:23:25.080 --> 01:23:27.000 And it was his fault that he wasn't downloading it correctly. 01:23:27.000 --> 01:23:28.320 But we will get into that. 01:23:29.340 --> 01:23:37.120 And I especially want to say I'll throw out some greets to BJ from Birds of the Word 01:23:37.120 --> 01:23:41.120 for sending us that awesome Red Bull fridge. 01:23:41.120 --> 01:23:51.700 And then I think, let's see, Matt, do you have any greets you want to get? 01:23:51.700 --> 01:23:52.000 Oh, yeah. 01:23:52.260 --> 01:23:54.380 Yeah, we definitely want to thank the makers of Red Bull. 01:23:56.880 --> 01:23:57.360 And girls. 01:23:57.820 --> 01:23:58.200 And girls. 01:23:59.020 --> 01:24:00.180 And not so much the girls. 01:24:03.320 --> 01:24:03.780 All right. 01:24:03.980 --> 01:24:05.420 Well, I'll send shouts out to you, Mark. 01:24:05.460 --> 01:24:06.260 Thank you for coming on. 01:24:06.920 --> 01:24:09.860 It was a very interesting episode. 01:24:10.080 --> 01:24:11.040 I'll give it that. 01:24:11.360 --> 01:24:12.220 Yeah, well, it was fun. 01:24:12.920 --> 01:24:13.540 Yeah, it was fun. 01:24:13.580 --> 01:24:14.180 It was interesting. 01:24:14.180 --> 01:24:17.240 We get to hear all the new asterisk prompts. 01:24:17.500 --> 01:24:19.460 Their premiere party on BinRev Radio. 01:24:20.000 --> 01:24:22.980 Shout out to Allison Smith for recording all that awesome stuff. 01:24:23.240 --> 01:24:24.300 Oh, absolutely. 01:24:24.300 --> 01:24:24.660 Absolutely. 01:24:26.300 --> 01:24:26.840 All right. 01:24:27.520 --> 01:24:29.620 Live agents are ready to assist you. 01:24:29.840 --> 01:24:35.420 To reach one, enter the 53rd through 69th digits of the cube root of pi. 01:24:35.420 --> 01:24:40.060 We got to have her on the show at some point. 01:24:40.560 --> 01:24:42.300 Yes, we totally should. 01:24:42.860 --> 01:24:43.260 All right. 01:24:43.840 --> 01:24:45.720 Do we have any Spanish speakers out there? 01:24:46.620 --> 01:24:47.440 I'm sure we do. 01:24:48.220 --> 01:24:52.820 Because I do have one Spanish one, which he did. 01:24:52.940 --> 01:24:53.500 Play it up. 01:24:53.640 --> 01:24:55.360 And then we'll go into our closing music. 01:24:56.400 --> 01:24:56.900 All right. 01:24:56.900 --> 01:25:11.480 If you don't want to talk to anyone, do not press number two. 01:25:13.600 --> 01:25:19.260 As I understand it, the translation is, if you speak Spanish, you know I'm really not saying anything. 01:25:19.480 --> 01:25:20.040 Press two. 01:25:24.040 --> 01:25:24.900 All right. 01:25:24.900 --> 01:25:28.900 So our closing music this week is something from OC Remix you downloaded. 01:25:29.080 --> 01:25:30.260 Mega Man 3 something or other? 01:25:30.620 --> 01:25:30.800 Yes. 01:25:30.920 --> 01:25:31.600 Mega Man 3. 01:25:31.600 --> 01:25:32.100 Oh, shoot. 01:25:32.160 --> 01:25:33.420 I'm completely drawing a blank on the title. 01:25:34.260 --> 01:25:35.140 I'll figure it out. 01:25:35.180 --> 01:25:36.120 It's somewhere in my bookmarks. 01:25:36.580 --> 01:25:37.860 Mega Man 3 something or other. 01:25:38.620 --> 01:25:38.880 Yes. 01:25:38.920 --> 01:25:40.640 Mega Man 3 Remix something, something, something. 01:25:41.460 --> 01:25:43.260 So we will see you next week. 01:25:43.440 --> 01:25:44.280 Same hack time. 01:25:44.600 --> 01:25:45.740 Same hack channel. 01:25:54.900 --> 01:26:03.280 I'll be right back. 01:26:03.500 --> 01:26:04.040 So we will see you next week. 01:26:08.360 --> 01:26:19.840 See you next week. 01:26:20.480 --> 01:26:23.120 cleaner pens molto. 01:26:23.120 --> 01:26:53.100 Thank you. 01:26:53.120 --> 01:27:23.100 Thank you. 01:27:23.120 --> 01:27:53.100 Thank you. 01:27:53.120 --> 01:28:23.100 Thank you. 01:28:23.120 --> 01:28:53.100 Thank you. 01:28:53.120 --> 01:29:23.100 Thank you. 01:29:23.120 --> 01:29:53.100 Thank you. 01:29:53.120 --> 01:29:55.120 Thank you.