WEBVTT

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This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers

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I see in binary, I speak source code

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Step on my toes, I'll post a million jpegs of you in a fag pose

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In your digital stance, getting firewalled ho

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Cause I'm riding the net in my six-fold

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I was a dick with my 56

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Now with my cable, I'm able to get that stable

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On the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo

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On the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm a Nero

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In a flash, I'll screw you on burning dreamcast

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You need some ISO? Let me through my hard drive rifle

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Our exchange you could never stifle

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In a digital hug, you just caught the love bug

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I bootlegged your CD, I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z

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Your CG, it's all gonna be free

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Whether we take it by force or we take it nicely

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You feel that rattle in your bones?

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When I tell you we just hacked out Jones

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At NASDAQ, leave your fight on your back

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Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack

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Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack

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This is dedicated to the hackers and the criminals

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Serial code, source code, ISO, RAND

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Hello and welcome to Binary Revolution Radio episode number

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What episode number are we on? I don't have the notes in front of me

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136 for February 21st, 2005, 2006

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I'm Sean Carlson and I'm totally out of it

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Nice to meet you all

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Yeah, apparently

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I'm Black Ratchet, live from Torino

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Yes, we actually managed to call in this week

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Apparently the Italian phone system is susceptible to blueboxing

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So I was able to bluebox over to Venezuela

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And then pick up a T-carrier trunk over to the United States

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And we're doing some lead hacks or things here

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But with us tonight is Natas

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Yo, and I'm joining you from

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And I'm joining you from someplace that I would rather not be

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Somewhere on the eastern seaboard

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Oh, where would that be? Come on

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Or it's too cold

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Too far from Australia

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It's cold up in Italy

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It's the Winter Games

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Good shit

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Yeah, I'm madly getting ready for us to do our official

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BINREV Olympic report

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God, you're still uploading that right now

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If you reload the server

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And we all go down

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Yeah

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Yeah, that would suck

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Well, okay

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We'll start off here

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We're live

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The phone number to call in

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I believe Zygman is standing by

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Anxiously awaiting your phone calls

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At 888-9-BINREV

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And our UK call-in

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Which I assume still works

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And I haven't been told otherwise

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Is 0845-646-0102

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So, if you should like

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The two people that are currently awake in Britain right now

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Maybe one of them is listening to our show

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And they can call in

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We're actually not sure if this even works

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We should actually, you know

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Get someone to call in long distance over to Britain

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And then call back in to an 800 number over here

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It would be tough

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But, hey, at least we'll verify that's going on

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This is my first time on the show live

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Is it?

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Oh, yeah, it is, isn't it?

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Yeah, I'm kind of nervous

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If I screw up

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If I screw up, there's no editing

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Oh, don't worry

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We've screwed up worse than you

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You edit out of the archives

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Yeah

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Well, I don't know

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I guess I was going to really put this

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In the personal hacking stories

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But I guess I will bring it up right here

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Right now

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Let me go

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Actually, I need a tiny URL

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That URL

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So, apparently

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We all love and know Kevin Rose

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You know, Kevin and the show

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They go way back

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What can we say?

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But, so, Kevin Rose

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As you all know

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He started his little project

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Dig.com

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I'll give the URL up

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D-I-G-D.com

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And if you don't know what Dig is

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It's

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I don't even actually know

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What the hell the Dig

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Dig really is

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Besides, like, some type of

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Really crazy corrosion-like

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URL aggregation

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Yeah, something like

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It ranks the URLs

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By how many people

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You can convince

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To click on the link

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Or something

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Yeah

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It's sort of like

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It's sort of like

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Corrosion.org

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Except it's not stories

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It's just URLs

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So

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Either way

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You know, we all

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You know

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Dig.com

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Let me just

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Tiny URL

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This thing up here

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So

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It's been running

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For a while

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And apparently

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There is

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There was a website

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Out there

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Called Dig.de

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Which is

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Yeah

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Germany

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Yeah

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I think so

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Yeah, that's what I thought

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I'm always like

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Confused

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What's Denmark

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Is

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DK

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Yeah

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DK

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Oh, okay

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So, okay

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We'll ask everyone to

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Now

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Enter this tiny URL

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Under there

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It's tinyurl.com

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Slash

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Romeo

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Echo

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7

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Lima

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Romeo

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And

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So

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There is a website

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Out there

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Called Dig.de

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And

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They've been around

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Since 1998

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And apparently

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When Dig.com

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Started getting popular

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They

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I mean

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They've been around

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Since 1998

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And they were basically

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Just somebody's website

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They just tossed

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Google ads up on it

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And, you know

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See if people could get

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You know

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Banner clicks

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And try to make some money

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Off this global interweb thing

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So

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They were run by

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A non-profit group

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I'm sorry

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Non-commercial project

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Of H07

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And they put a disclaimer

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Right on their website

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Saying, you know

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Not related to Dig.com

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So

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They've been around

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Since 1998

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And apparently

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About

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What was it

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February 17th

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According to this story

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I'm sorry

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Yeah

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17th of February

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2006

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Dig Inc

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Trademarked

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Dig in Europe

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And apparently

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They have sued

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Dig.de

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Into oblivion

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So

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Dig.de

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Is now

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Yig.de

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Y-I-G-G

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Dot-D-E

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And for those of you

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Who don't know

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I'm basically

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Yig

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So I guess

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I guess

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They're going over

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To a Nordic thing

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And trying to get

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To a Swedish chef

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I was gonna say

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It sounds more like

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A failed brand

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Of Middle Eastern car

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But

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Yeah

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Yugo

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Not Middle Eastern

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But

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So

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Or

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Eastern European

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Eastern European

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Yes

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That's Yugo

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Didn't we talk about that

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Two weeks ago

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Yeah

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Someone wrote in

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Someone wrote a story

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Someone was surprised

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That we actually knew

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What Yugos are

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Apparently

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Is in like

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Yugoslavia

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So

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Yes

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So

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Kevin Rose

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Our wonderful friend

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Apparently

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Has

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You know

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Completely

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Turned his back

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On the community

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Which basically

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He

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Basically

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Gets all of his

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Material from

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I would like to add

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And has sued

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A non-profit

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I don't know

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I think

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Impersonator

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Is

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People are calling

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An imposter

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Impersonator

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Really

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It's just a

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Knock-off site

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I mean

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There's

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Fark.com

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Which is another

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Type of

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URL site

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And it's

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There's another

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There's a

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Clone website

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Out there

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Called

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Fark.ru

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And they know

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About it

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They just

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You know

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They really

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Don't care

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I mean

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It's all

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Russian news

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Stories

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As opposed to

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You know

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English news

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Stories

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Or American

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It's all

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Chess and vodka

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But

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Kevin Rose

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Has decided

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To

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Yeah

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Well

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Yeah

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It's like

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It's like

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A ton of

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Stories on

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Vodka

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And like

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You know

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Naked news

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And

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All kinds

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Of crazy

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Stuff

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It's pretty

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Amusing

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But

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Kevin Rose

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Has decided

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To completely

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Turn his back

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On the community

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And you know

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Spit on our faces

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And try to sue

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A you know

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Website out of

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Bolivian

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So I guess

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He's going the way

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Of Bill Gates

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And seeing the

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Dollar signs

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In his eyes

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How do you know

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That it was Kevin Rose

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How do you know

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It was Kevin Rose

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Kevin Rose

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Owens

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Dig

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Yeah

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Yeah but

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I mean

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He probably

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He is the leader

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Yeah but you

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Don't know

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That he was the

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One leading

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The lawsuit

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Or leading

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The legal team

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Or making

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The decisions

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For that

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Because I mean

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They have

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Corporate

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You know

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That he had

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A decision

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Well they have

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Venture capitalists

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And stuff

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That could

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That pretty much

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Probably

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Tell them what to do

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Well I mean

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The venture capitalists

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May have a stake

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In the company

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But you know

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Surely he can

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Object

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And if he really

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Were object

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He would make

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The objection

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He might

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What am I saying

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He would make

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The objection known

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Publicly

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If he really

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Seriously objected

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To it

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He's like

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You know

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I object to this

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But I have

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No say in the matter

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Or something

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Did this come out

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Today

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Yeah

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A statement

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Or something

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Yeah

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So maybe

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He had a couple

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Days maybe

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Not really

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Because he knew

08:37.340 --> 08:38.000
This stuff was going

08:38.000 --> 08:38.200
Down

08:38.200 --> 08:38.540
I mean they

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Trademarked it

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What is it

08:41.560 --> 08:42.380
Four days ago

08:42.380 --> 08:43.100
So they obviously

08:43.100 --> 08:43.640
Must have known

08:43.640 --> 08:44.220
That this was

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Going to happen

08:44.760 --> 08:45.120
And this is

08:45.120 --> 08:45.640
Basically what

08:45.640 --> 08:46.060
They were waiting

08:46.060 --> 08:46.400
For

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I mean

08:47.620 --> 08:49.720
Yeah so

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Yeah and plus

08:52.540 --> 08:53.180
I think what the

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Real

08:53.560 --> 08:56.880
Apparently there is

08:56.880 --> 08:57.380
A

08:57.380 --> 08:58.900
There's rumors

08:58.900 --> 08:59.720
About a Yahoo

08:59.720 --> 09:00.340
Buyout of

09:00.340 --> 09:01.060
Dick.com

09:01.060 --> 09:01.360
Which

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Just completely

09:02.440 --> 09:02.800
That's like

09:02.800 --> 09:03.420
20 million

09:03.420 --> 09:04.860
Yeah

09:04.860 --> 09:05.640
Which is sick

09:05.640 --> 09:06.720
Crazy

09:06.720 --> 09:07.820
I don't know

09:07.820 --> 09:08.280
I always just

09:08.280 --> 09:09.120
It's very

09:09.120 --> 09:11.620
If Stank is listening

09:11.620 --> 09:12.280
He'll love this

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Statement

09:12.860 --> 09:13.700
It's very

09:13.700 --> 09:14.780
Jason Calsonis

09:14.780 --> 09:15.660
Of them

09:15.660 --> 09:16.940
Isn't it Jason

09:16.940 --> 09:17.640
Calkanis

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Calkanis

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Calkanis

09:19.720 --> 09:19.820
Whatever

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I can't

09:20.200 --> 09:20.740
I don't know

09:20.740 --> 09:21.820
I don't do well

09:21.820 --> 09:22.760
Like reading text

09:22.760 --> 09:23.780
And translating it

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Over to

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Calsonis

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Sounds like an

09:26.400 --> 09:26.680
Italian

09:26.680 --> 09:27.000
Yes

09:27.000 --> 09:30.900
I'll take a nice

09:30.900 --> 09:31.540
Little Calsonis

09:31.540 --> 09:31.760
Please

09:31.760 --> 09:32.380
Thank you

09:32.380 --> 09:32.840
Thank you

09:32.840 --> 09:33.140
Yummy

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So are

09:35.420 --> 09:36.320
Are you ready

09:36.320 --> 09:36.680
With your

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Official Olympic

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Report

09:37.820 --> 09:38.200
Ratchet

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I don't know

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Are you

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My intro music

09:41.720 --> 09:41.980
Ready

09:41.980 --> 09:43.080
Oh maestro

09:43.080 --> 09:44.440
So

09:44.440 --> 09:44.740
Okay

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Once again

09:45.660 --> 09:46.620
Now live

09:46.620 --> 09:47.180
We have

09:47.180 --> 09:48.080
The second

09:48.080 --> 09:48.700
Ever

09:48.700 --> 09:50.100
Binrev

09:50.100 --> 09:51.160
Olympic

09:51.160 --> 09:51.900
Moment

09:51.900 --> 10:06.320
Live

10:06.320 --> 10:07.240
From Torino

10:07.240 --> 10:08.980
Black Ratchet's

10:08.980 --> 10:10.200
Olympic Report

10:10.200 --> 10:10.560
And

10:10.560 --> 10:11.900
So

10:11.900 --> 10:13.040
After

10:13.040 --> 10:14.080
After much fun

10:14.080 --> 10:15.120
Burying certain

10:15.120 --> 10:15.680
Things that

10:15.680 --> 10:16.380
Needed to be

10:16.380 --> 10:17.000
Buried after

10:17.000 --> 10:18.100
Last week

10:18.100 --> 10:19.020
I hung out

10:19.020 --> 10:19.460
With the

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Austrian

10:20.120 --> 10:21.560
Cross country

10:21.560 --> 10:21.860
Team

10:21.860 --> 10:22.200
And we

10:22.200 --> 10:22.580
Had a

10:22.580 --> 10:23.120
Generally good

10:23.120 --> 10:23.540
Time

10:23.540 --> 10:25.140
They partied

10:25.140 --> 10:25.460
Hard

10:25.460 --> 10:25.840
What can we

10:25.840 --> 10:26.120
Say

10:26.120 --> 10:26.420
I mean

10:26.420 --> 10:27.100
They kind

10:27.100 --> 10:27.340
Of got

10:27.340 --> 10:28.580
Owned

10:28.580 --> 10:30.580
Due to

10:30.580 --> 10:30.880
Certain

10:30.880 --> 10:32.420
Allegations

10:32.420 --> 10:33.000
Made against

10:33.000 --> 10:33.360
Them by

10:33.360 --> 10:34.160
Certain people

10:34.160 --> 10:35.040
Our party

10:35.040 --> 10:35.420
Got cut

10:35.420 --> 10:35.900
Short at

10:35.900 --> 10:36.360
Their dorm

10:36.360 --> 10:36.640
Room

10:36.640 --> 10:36.980
So

10:36.980 --> 10:38.580
But

10:38.580 --> 10:39.140
Other than

10:39.140 --> 10:39.280
That

10:39.280 --> 10:39.460
It was

10:39.460 --> 10:39.980
Pretty good

10:39.980 --> 10:40.600
You know

10:40.600 --> 10:40.840
It's got

10:40.840 --> 10:41.300
A lot of

10:41.300 --> 10:41.500
Like

10:41.500 --> 10:42.320
Climbing up

10:42.320 --> 10:42.780
Telephone

10:42.780 --> 10:43.340
Poles

10:43.340 --> 10:43.700
Owning the

10:43.700 --> 10:44.020
Italian

10:44.020 --> 10:44.320
Phone

10:44.320 --> 10:44.920
System

10:44.920 --> 10:47.740
Accidentally

10:47.740 --> 10:48.260
Shaved a

10:48.260 --> 10:48.640
Couple of

10:48.640 --> 10:49.260
Seconds

10:49.260 --> 10:49.420
Off

10:49.420 --> 10:49.660
Certain

10:49.660 --> 10:50.120
People's

10:50.120 --> 10:50.540
Times

10:50.540 --> 10:51.380
In the

10:51.380 --> 10:51.720
Speed

10:51.720 --> 10:52.120
Skating

10:52.120 --> 10:52.860
Competition

10:52.860 --> 10:53.300
But

10:53.300 --> 10:54.640
Overall

10:54.640 --> 10:54.900
It was

10:54.900 --> 10:55.320
Pretty good

10:55.320 --> 10:55.660
It's a

10:55.660 --> 10:56.840
Very fruitful

10:56.840 --> 10:57.140
Event

10:57.140 --> 10:57.420
And I'm

10:57.420 --> 10:57.640
Glad

10:57.640 --> 10:58.060
Binrev

10:58.060 --> 10:58.340
Radio

10:58.340 --> 10:58.740
With our

10:58.740 --> 11:00.100
Massive

11:00.100 --> 11:00.500
Budget

11:00.500 --> 11:00.840
Could

11:00.840 --> 11:01.360
Send us

11:01.360 --> 11:01.840
Over here

11:01.840 --> 11:04.500
Wow

11:04.500 --> 11:04.860
That actually

11:04.860 --> 11:05.200
Timed out

11:05.200 --> 11:05.720
Pretty well

11:05.720 --> 11:08.220
Well

11:08.220 --> 11:08.660
Too loud

11:08.660 --> 11:09.040
That was

11:09.040 --> 11:09.440
Completely

11:09.440 --> 11:10.160
Unintentional

11:10.160 --> 11:10.400
I just

11:10.400 --> 11:10.620
Thought I

11:10.620 --> 11:10.800
Was going

11:10.800 --> 11:10.940
To get

11:10.940 --> 11:11.160
Like a

11:11.160 --> 11:11.360
Couple

11:11.360 --> 11:11.540
Of

11:11.540 --> 11:12.160
Fanfares

11:12.160 --> 11:12.340
And

11:12.340 --> 11:14.460
Go over

11:14.460 --> 11:15.620
But no

11:15.620 --> 11:15.860
I got

11:15.860 --> 11:16.040
Like the

11:16.040 --> 11:16.440
Whole song

11:16.440 --> 11:16.640
And I

11:16.640 --> 11:16.840
Actually

11:16.840 --> 11:17.320
Timed out

11:17.320 --> 11:17.780
Pretty well

11:17.780 --> 11:19.500
So yeah

11:19.500 --> 11:20.240
Binrev

11:20.240 --> 11:20.860
Bringing you

11:20.860 --> 11:21.400
News of the

11:21.400 --> 11:21.740
World

11:21.740 --> 11:22.220
Today

11:22.220 --> 11:25.500
News of the

11:25.500 --> 11:25.780
World

11:25.780 --> 11:26.780
I think

11:26.780 --> 11:27.080
That was a

11:27.080 --> 11:28.020
Good Queen

11:28.020 --> 11:28.440
Album I

11:28.440 --> 11:28.700
Believe

11:28.700 --> 11:30.680
My friend

11:30.680 --> 11:30.900
Was in

11:30.900 --> 11:31.520
Oh yeah

11:31.520 --> 11:32.020
Tell us

11:32.020 --> 11:32.380
About that

11:32.380 --> 11:35.880
My friend

11:35.880 --> 11:36.600
He's a

11:36.600 --> 11:37.060
Snowboarder

11:37.060 --> 11:37.200
And he

11:37.200 --> 11:37.520
Got the

11:37.520 --> 11:38.080
Silver medal

11:38.080 --> 11:39.840
And snowboarding

11:39.840 --> 11:40.260
Halfpipe

11:40.260 --> 11:41.120
He won it

11:41.120 --> 11:41.940
In 2002

11:41.940 --> 11:42.600
As well

11:42.600 --> 11:45.060
That's pretty

11:45.060 --> 11:45.260
Cool

11:45.260 --> 11:46.260
How close

11:46.260 --> 11:47.180
Are we

11:47.180 --> 11:47.580
Throwing a

11:47.580 --> 11:48.040
Party for

11:48.040 --> 11:48.280
Him

11:48.280 --> 11:51.620
I don't

11:51.620 --> 11:51.740
Know

11:51.740 --> 11:52.120
I see him

11:52.120 --> 11:52.480
Every once

11:52.480 --> 11:52.620
In a

11:52.620 --> 11:52.860
While

11:52.860 --> 11:54.720
He lives

11:54.720 --> 11:54.820
In

11:54.820 --> 11:55.220
California

11:55.220 --> 11:56.600
But

11:56.600 --> 11:57.280
I don't

11:57.280 --> 11:58.180
Know

11:58.180 --> 11:58.460
I've known

11:58.460 --> 11:58.720
For a

11:58.720 --> 11:58.840
While

11:58.840 --> 11:59.020
He's a

11:59.020 --> 11:59.100
Good

11:59.100 --> 11:59.500
When you

11:59.500 --> 11:59.920
Come out

11:59.920 --> 12:00.100
Here

12:00.100 --> 12:00.640
We're

12:00.640 --> 12:00.980
Throwing

12:00.980 --> 12:01.100
A

12:01.100 --> 12:01.280
Party

12:01.280 --> 12:01.520
For

12:01.520 --> 12:02.080
Actually

12:02.080 --> 12:02.360
Someone

12:02.360 --> 12:02.580
With

12:02.580 --> 12:02.880
Real

12:02.880 --> 12:03.240
Olympic

12:03.240 --> 12:07.740
Experience

12:07.740 --> 12:08.180
Or

12:08.180 --> 12:08.700
Some

12:08.700 --> 12:08.900
Type

12:08.900 --> 12:09.040
Of

12:09.040 --> 12:09.340
Relation

12:09.340 --> 12:09.520
To

12:09.520 --> 12:09.620
The

12:09.620 --> 12:09.920
Experience

12:09.920 --> 12:10.120
Not

12:10.120 --> 12:10.300
Just

12:10.300 --> 12:10.760
Pretending

12:10.760 --> 12:10.980
That

12:10.980 --> 12:11.240
I'm

12:11.240 --> 12:11.380
In

12:11.380 --> 12:11.740
Italy

12:11.740 --> 12:12.240
Oh

12:12.240 --> 12:12.340
Did

12:12.340 --> 12:12.440
I

12:12.440 --> 12:12.540
Say

12:12.540 --> 12:12.660
That

12:12.660 --> 12:12.760
Out

12:12.760 --> 12:12.900
Loud

12:12.900 --> 12:16.260
Damn

12:16.260 --> 12:16.440
My

12:16.440 --> 12:16.640
Phone

12:16.640 --> 12:16.780
Just

12:16.780 --> 12:16.900
Went

12:16.900 --> 12:17.260
Dead

12:17.260 --> 12:19.720
Dude

12:19.720 --> 12:20.700
I

12:20.700 --> 12:21.180
Guess

12:21.180 --> 12:21.360
The

12:21.360 --> 12:21.740
Injunction

12:21.740 --> 12:21.980
Went

12:21.980 --> 12:22.300
Down

12:22.300 --> 12:23.120
No

12:23.120 --> 12:23.240
You

12:23.240 --> 12:23.400
Just

12:23.400 --> 12:23.700
Cut

12:23.700 --> 12:23.840
Out

12:23.840 --> 12:24.000
For

12:24.000 --> 12:24.360
20

12:24.360 --> 12:24.680
Second

12:24.680 --> 12:25.180
It

12:25.180 --> 12:25.340
Was

12:25.340 --> 12:25.540
Just

12:25.540 --> 12:25.700
All

12:25.700 --> 12:26.020
Quiet

12:26.020 --> 12:26.460
The

12:26.460 --> 12:27.500
NTP

12:27.500 --> 12:27.760
Must

12:27.760 --> 12:27.900
Be

12:27.900 --> 12:28.260
Playing

12:28.260 --> 12:28.440
With

12:28.440 --> 12:28.560
The

12:28.560 --> 12:28.840
Switch

12:28.840 --> 12:30.700
My

12:30.700 --> 12:31.140
Blackberry

12:31.140 --> 12:31.280
Is

12:31.280 --> 12:31.440
Already

12:31.440 --> 12:31.620
Getting

12:31.620 --> 12:31.820
Shut

12:31.820 --> 12:32.160
Down

12:32.160 --> 12:32.500
Shut

12:32.500 --> 12:32.820
Down

12:32.820 --> 12:33.800
Oh

12:33.800 --> 12:34.000
No

12:34.000 --> 12:38.580
Just

12:38.580 --> 12:39.160
So

12:39.160 --> 12:39.420
Everyone

12:39.420 --> 12:39.720
Knows

12:39.720 --> 12:40.160
We

12:40.160 --> 12:40.380
Have

12:40.380 --> 12:40.640
Nat

12:40.640 --> 12:40.800
As

12:40.800 --> 12:40.980
The

12:40.980 --> 12:41.760
Blackberry

12:41.760 --> 12:42.480
Elite

12:42.480 --> 12:42.860
Master

12:42.860 --> 12:43.160
Here

12:43.160 --> 12:43.440
Today

12:43.440 --> 12:43.620
So

12:43.620 --> 12:43.760
We're

12:43.760 --> 12:44.020
Talking

12:44.020 --> 12:44.280
About

12:44.280 --> 12:44.440
The

12:44.440 --> 12:45.580
Upcoming

12:45.580 --> 12:46.480
Blackberry

12:46.480 --> 12:47.240
Blackberry

12:47.240 --> 12:47.700
Rim

12:47.700 --> 12:48.260
Versus

12:48.260 --> 12:49.080
NTP

12:49.080 --> 12:50.580
Steel Cage

12:50.580 --> 12:50.920
Grudge

12:50.920 --> 12:51.260
Match

12:51.260 --> 12:51.600
That's

12:51.600 --> 12:52.100
Happening

12:52.100 --> 12:52.840
When's

12:52.840 --> 12:52.940
That

12:52.940 --> 12:53.200
Happening

12:53.200 --> 12:53.860
23rd

12:53.860 --> 12:54.620
No

12:54.620 --> 12:54.720
The

12:54.720 --> 12:55.300
25th

12:55.300 --> 12:55.640
Friday

12:55.640 --> 12:57.240
25th

12:57.240 --> 12:57.420
Is

12:57.420 --> 12:57.500
It

12:57.500 --> 12:58.000
25th

12:58.000 --> 12:58.100
Or

12:58.100 --> 12:58.120
Is

12:58.120 --> 12:58.220
That

12:58.220 --> 12:58.320
The

12:58.320 --> 12:59.020
24th

12:59.020 --> 12:59.260
That

12:59.260 --> 12:59.400
Would

12:59.400 --> 12:59.620
Be

12:59.620 --> 12:59.900
Friday

12:59.900 --> 13:00.020
The

13:00.020 --> 13:01.100
24th

13:01.100 --> 13:01.200
I

13:01.200 --> 13:01.260
Don't

13:01.260 --> 13:01.360
Know

13:01.360 --> 13:01.480
It's

13:01.480 --> 13:01.740
Happening

13:01.740 --> 13:01.920
This

13:01.920 --> 13:02.160
Week

13:02.160 --> 13:03.200
It's

13:03.200 --> 13:03.300
On

13:03.300 --> 13:03.680
Friday

13:03.680 --> 13:05.360
24th

13:05.360 --> 13:06.520
What

13:06.520 --> 13:06.660
Kind

13:06.660 --> 13:06.780
Of

13:06.780 --> 13:07.000
Course

13:07.000 --> 13:07.220
Case

13:07.220 --> 13:07.500
Starts

13:07.500 --> 13:07.600
On

13:07.600 --> 13:08.100
Friday

13:08.100 --> 13:09.020
This

13:09.020 --> 13:09.180
One

13:09.180 --> 13:09.520
Apparently

13:09.520 --> 13:10.720
That

13:10.720 --> 13:10.820
Is

13:10.820 --> 13:11.000
Kind

13:11.000 --> 13:11.060
of

13:11.060 --> 13:11.240
Weird

13:11.240 --> 13:11.420
Aren't

13:11.420 --> 13:11.540
They

13:11.540 --> 13:11.760
Supposed

13:11.760 --> 13:11.800
To

13:11.800 --> 13:12.040
Start

13:12.040 --> 13:12.160
On

13:12.160 --> 13:12.520
Mondays

13:16.480 --> 13:16.760
And

13:16.760 --> 13:16.900
Then

13:16.900 --> 13:17.080
They

13:17.080 --> 13:17.220
Have

13:17.220 --> 13:17.340
A

13:17.340 --> 13:17.780
Weekend

13:17.780 --> 13:18.060
To

13:18.060 --> 13:18.520
All

13:18.520 --> 13:18.700
Go

13:18.700 --> 13:19.040
Home

13:19.040 --> 13:19.640
And

13:19.640 --> 13:21.560
Not

13:21.560 --> 13:21.800
Really

13:21.800 --> 13:22.040
Because

13:22.040 --> 13:22.220
This

13:22.220 --> 13:22.340
Is

13:22.340 --> 13:22.500
A

13:22.500 --> 13:22.860
Judge

13:22.860 --> 13:23.120
This

13:23.120 --> 13:23.280
Is

13:23.280 --> 13:23.500
Just

13:23.500 --> 13:24.280
A

13:24.280 --> 13:24.500
Judge

13:24.500 --> 13:24.940
What's

13:24.940 --> 13:25.320
Probably

13:25.320 --> 13:25.680
Happening

13:25.680 --> 13:25.840
Is

13:25.840 --> 13:25.940
It's

13:25.940 --> 13:26.140
Probably

13:26.140 --> 13:26.420
Being

13:26.420 --> 13:26.780
Reviewed

13:26.780 --> 13:26.920
All

13:26.920 --> 13:27.120
This

13:27.120 --> 13:27.320
Week

13:27.320 --> 13:27.440
And

13:27.440 --> 13:27.620
The

13:27.620 --> 13:27.940
Judgment

13:27.940 --> 13:28.140
Is

13:28.140 --> 13:28.260
On

13:28.260 --> 13:28.620
Friday

13:28.620 --> 13:31.980
Yeah

13:31.980 --> 13:32.180
You're

13:32.180 --> 13:32.360
Probably

13:32.360 --> 13:32.620
Right

13:32.620 --> 13:35.080
We're

13:35.080 --> 13:35.320
Actually

13:35.320 --> 13:35.500
Going

13:35.500 --> 13:35.600
To

13:35.600 --> 13:35.800
Talk

13:35.800 --> 13:36.020
About

13:36.020 --> 13:36.280
It

13:36.280 --> 13:37.620
Yeah

13:37.620 --> 13:37.840
Yeah

13:37.840 --> 13:38.160
Okay

13:38.160 --> 13:38.660
Let's

13:38.660 --> 13:38.940
Get back

13:38.940 --> 13:39.160
To

13:39.160 --> 13:40.000
Get back

13:40.000 --> 13:40.100
To

13:40.100 --> 13:40.260
Other

13:40.260 --> 13:40.580
Stuff

13:40.580 --> 13:42.320
Actually

13:42.320 --> 13:42.520
Do

13:42.520 --> 13:42.720
You

13:42.720 --> 13:42.840
Want

13:42.840 --> 13:42.880
To

13:42.880 --> 13:43.240
Just

13:43.240 --> 13:43.600
Yeah

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valentine's day show and love you much but you guys are just full of shit i'm a long-time listener

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and do have a benefit of a technology fetish i also have the penchant for geeks hams especially

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but i date a man who asks for help putting background images in email why would you date

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someone who wants with background images in email anyway do you know why because geek standards are

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way too high bang bang bang bang bang one be at the constant stream of vg girls you're exposed

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to or whatever you guys just aren't interested in regular women i have many like-minded male

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friends yet not a single one of them have ever expressed a desire to date me i once even sparked

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up a conversation with someone i met at my local news shop while picking up a copy of 2600 and gave

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him my number did he call no why because i look like this and there's a link to a picture uh should

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be just tinyurl.com slash mike x-ray november romeo oscar mike x-ray november romeo oscar and there's

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a photo you can look for herself and she's wearing um a baseball cap and i can't read the baseball cap

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and she's got it well we'll we'll we'll we'll we'll talk about this later okay with the email

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fucking five here we go and what you guys would like to date looks like this insert male masturbatory

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object here my point is that while shyness and ability to find like-minded females may be

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contributing factors you guys are alone because you just don't get that hotties get whatever they

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want and unless you're okay with being nothing more than than an atm you're not it nothing more than

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okay yes it's unfair but that's what happens when you view women as trophies i think richard's ugly

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girl comment sums it up perfectly you guys really are aren't getting what you deserve look there are

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lots of women with a lot of geek love to give you just have to get over your superficiality and give

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them a chance smiley face less than three welsh rarebit toronto canada

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less than three less than three hey you know why that guy probably never called there because he

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probably shut her phone off instead after he got her number yeah guys like girls who spell check too

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uh did i mention that's got owned but uh oh you and your spell checking she she has a technology

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fetish yeah i think she also missed the part where i suck cock um

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maybe she missed that part anyways yeah i don't want to know what the hell your male

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masturbatory object is so we'll just we'll just uh skip over that

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um when i when i read this email i actually i have nothing to do with the valentine's day special

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so i can't really comment on it i guess but my my my main comments on this was girl geek dungeons and

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dragons player haha i went to your blog glasses guinness shirt where do i sign up and i said oh

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yeah yeah yeah i mean i'm engaged aren't i oh well too bad for the lady so we're sorry as we like

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saying the phone business seriously this is like perfect almost you know ham radio technology fetish

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she likes guinness or at least she likes where's the t-shirt so uh yeah and also just just so she

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knows um we we did post your picture online uh please contact me if you want to take him down

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uh i did host it on my website as i because i really didn't feel like giving out your uh i think

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it was an image bucket or something or image shop photo or whatever one of those free image

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orgy.com or something they all they all have like yeah so it's all it's they have like eight

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words and like you know they just chain mix them around to have different uh websites like image

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shack photo shack image blog or i don't know it's just it's weird digital image buttload.com you know

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if you want me to take it down i'll i will take it down but i posted it up there if i were straight

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i'd totally do you let's put it that way i wouldn't no oh oh oh she's gonna she's gonna

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own you i'm way out of here in toronto man she can come down and kick your ass

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yeah excuse me reason for coming into america i'm gonna kick that

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that's the ass that's the ass kicking checkbox ma'am you you have to check that one not business

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oh we need a form 39a for that one ma'am sorry

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all right next email okay phil theme from brazil think

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uh hello mr carlson and mr ratchet as i'm listening to episode 134 way too late i actually believed you

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when you said the archives would be up today forever that's my fault i'm sorry i keep wondering

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what is the word that allison won't say i went to digium.com but i found nothing on her she's cool

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as a side note on digium.com on the main page this image has to be the most appropriate file name i've

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ever encountered lol um and that is tinyurl.com slash quebec victor x-ray sierra bravo

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that's it's hottie on the left dot gif

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yes

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i apologize for any bad grammar i'm from europe greets

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ardquack

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i think that's how you pronounce it

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p.s do you know anything about linux coming to mobile phones if so how slash when slash where

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so yes as straw mary pointed out the the image at digium's website is hottie on the left dot gif

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so i i gotta when i first read that i i had to stifle myself from laughing because it was in my

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cube at my office but uh i gotta say nice find on the image name i i that's almost as amusing

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as um oh shoot what the yo it's free that's it no yo it yo it's me yo it's me yo it's me

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yo it's me it's free yo it's yellow dot com

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for those of you who don't know um listen to default radio but uh yo it's me was a collect service that

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was highly susceptible calling collect for like phones and everything but it was highly susceptible

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to abuse and if you went to their website they had this little flash animation

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it was like you know yo it's me you can dial the digits blah blah blah blah blah but if you looked

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at the file name it was a big big black guy swf i think it was that it was like big black it was

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something along those lines like you know big big black dude big black guy so it was amusing and we

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all just started looking at it and going oh my god i can't believe this for real but it was

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but uh default radio.com i believe there um as for the evil word that allison won't say we're not

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going to say it on the air but um let's just say it starts with a c and it refers to female anatomy

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and if you if you don't know what that is uh it it also rhymes it also rhymes with a football word

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if you if you i don't know football when you throw the ball that's that's called punting the ball right

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yeah so yes well when you kick the ball with one of the moves you can do is a punt and reminds

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it rhymes with a c so if that's not clear enough please just bang your head into the wall repeatedly

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now yeah um as for linux on cell phones um i didn't know so i did some research into that and

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apparently 2005 was supposed to be the breakout year for linux cell phones and i found the article

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and it's tinyurl.com slash quebec lima echo uniform 5 um but according to uh linux devices.com uh

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tinyurl.com 234 tango oscar uh they're they're some they're still on the starting block and it

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doesn't look anything's coming out anytime soon uh now i'm not sure if anyone knows this but i always

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assumed that symbion was linux yeah isn't symbion uh linux because i remember not there he wanted

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one of the symbion phones so we could start programming it i yeah well i knew it was an

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open development platform but i couldn't remember if it was linux or not yeah i was pretty sure it

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was linux uh it's wikipedia time i don't know also they have i don't know if you saw it a while ago

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but they uh got linux to run on the trio 650 and oh man no i didn't notice that oh yeah it was on

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daily freak a while ago i remember that was on your website yeah but they didn't have um full

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hardware support or anything but i just saw an update and they got they got a lot of stuff

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working with it now the cell phone work uh i think so i think it works oh well the information on what

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symbion actually is do you remember uh the the epoch os ran on zion um pdas oh yeah that's what

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a symbion is it's apparently a descendant of that stuff

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okay see okay that makes sense now that makes sense all right well in it's it's coming out i mean

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uh what is it the uh guys over at troll tech has uh have a cutopia which is this completely embedded

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um uh pda environment i actually have it running on an ipac at work that was just sort of left at my

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cube one day because the person didn't want it anymore because they upgraded so i i uh installed

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linux on it when i was bored one afternoon and hey it works pretty well it just doesn't have

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uh handwriting recognition which is a little bit annoying but uh other than that it's it's pretty

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solid i mean i haven't had to reset it on like windows mobile which seems to have to do every other

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day so i'm i'm waiting for linux cell phones but at the same point i'll just stick with my try

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sidekick for now or a trio if someone wants to give me a trio 700 i will i will gladly take one

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actually ship it to black ratchet cure of strom carlson post office box 291 991 los angeles california

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999

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64 452 los angeles contact us

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and my phone just died again for like 10 seconds

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that's the word it's like some guy at ntp going okay let's go to the radio show

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so yeah as soon as i start talking about this stuff it's probably going to go dead for 15 seconds

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yeah i'm probably going to be like uh i can do a song and dance routine if you fall off or something

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another rope in another show another um yeah so actually the the trio is actually starting to get

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pushed by uh verizon i see like all on the tv all the time now for ads yeah i'm at the mall today

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and the kiosk the verizon kiosk still didn't have any here because they're lame oh that sucks

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but yeah i'm actually curious the verizon store has one i should check out my local verizon store

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they won't let me touch it so i really don't care

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why won't they let you touch it so

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yeah actually i pointed out to my fiancee and she she basically told me no you just got a cell phone

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and i was like damn it

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because literally i i got my sidekick in november and i was just like oh my god a trio a trio just

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came out and i was like oh i want it

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this puts you with like no toy for you

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no

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yeah i know

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actually i got a house that's what i got

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phone or house

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fuck that get a get a sidekick or get a trio get a sidekick three

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i don't know if that's glorily knows when the hell that's coming out

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i actually i actually know someone that works at danger now i should actually see and talk to him

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and see if i can't uh it's probably it's probably one of those if we tell anybody outside the company

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they come and chop our hands off type of deal

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yeah probably

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actually it was a pretty amusing he posted on his web blog the other day

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um the text of the they put they have to put a sticker on everything because the the sidekick three or

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what i'm assuming is the sidekick three these he referred to as text test products

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um they have to put a sticker on there because they don't have fcc ids yet and it's like you can't sell this to anybody you can't give it to anybody this is not a licensed product yet um it falls under like this section of the rules and it was pretty amusing it's funny

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yeah but like you know basically all the stupid things for the fcc regulations

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the fcc is on my shit list this week

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well we'll have to talk about that in personal hacking stories because actually i'm curious about that

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no we'll talk about it a long time i don't want to talk about it right now

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oh that's good

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fm radio station

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all right and our final email of the evening

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hey strom

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i guess it's just to me

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sorry about the mix-up i know that stank has not been on the show for a while the herb up here in canada really messes with your memory

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note to you kids don't do drugs

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i have a pretty busy schedule and cannot listen live so i download the show and listen to it on my mp3 player

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anyhow back to the original question the reason i'm asking if this is possible

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this is in reference to this is the guy who wanted to call email this a week or two ago

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and asked about um using asterisk to like have all his

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to call him back on his mobile phone so we can make unlimited outgoing calls from his mobile phone

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anyhow back to the original question the reason i'm asking if this is possibly using asterisk is because my cell plan is 20 bucks a month

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my provider is rogers at&t their talk to me plan provides me with 200 anytime minutes outgoing unlimited minutes incoming

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i own my own software development company and use my cell phone as my primary business phone

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i easily use more than a thousand minutes per month outgoing

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the first 200 minutes are free but the additional 800 minutes are 25 cents a minute

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unfortunately the tiny url mentioned in the show points to a website that's down

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if you could provide me with more info on setting this up it would be greatly appreciated

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and email

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yes

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um the tiny url is back up

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actually it's a

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alpha bravo victor whiskey three according to him

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and i uh fed it fed it into a tinyurl.com this afternoon

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and it seemed to get back up it's uh

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oh shoot what's the name of the place

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nerd viddies am i saying that right there

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i know you know about the

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nerd viddles

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riddles viddles viddies

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i screwed up again

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isn't it v-i-p-t-l-e-s

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yeah just google that and that's where the uh

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website is but yeah he has a pretty

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it's up right now i'm not sure i guess he was down

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um if you can't get into it again i guess it's something on your end and

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rogers at&t whoever it is just doesn't want you to find out how to make the free phone calls

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what article was it on that on that website

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it was the phone home one where it would call you back after you called it

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oh yeah free incoming

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yeah and um just just for the record we'd like to state that

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um as as far as i could tell at least i'm not a lawyer but this this appears to be

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completely legal because you're just taking advantage of the system as opposed to

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uh committing toll fraud outright

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i mean my my take on the whole thing is yes it might be legal and yes it might be kind of

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a cute kludge but if you're running a company don't be a cheapskate like be cheap where it

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matters but come on let's have money on important things like telecom because

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it seems like for this guy's time and effort he could just

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yeah upgrade the cell phone plan to something with more than 200 minutes a month i think

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like a thousand minute plan hell i've got a thousand minute plan for like 60 bucks a month or

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something

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damn you guys just didn't hear anything i said did you cut it again

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ah yeah i was just saying that like what you were saying he should just upgrade his cell phone

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plan you know instead of wasting his time trying to do all this that's what it sounds like anyways

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yeah we got that we got that we heard that we were just ignoring you

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oh damn it got all quiet here

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yeah

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odd

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i couldn't hear you guys you could hear me i guess

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interesting i actually don't think i um have like

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a thousand i don't think i ever go over a thousand minutes hell i hardly go over like you know three

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four hundred at top yeah same here my plan was originally like six hundred minutes and i never

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went over that but then they offered me extra minutes a month for no fee and no

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additional contract extension so i said yeah sure what the hell

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yeah i only have like four hundred or five hundred i don't go over that

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it's because with uh in network calling and stuff like that yeah i don't really use my cell phone

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but yeah

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no for me it was free nights and weekends

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yeah that's it

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uh i i used to i used to take like that full advantage of that technically i still do but less

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now because i live closer to certain people so um it was just like if you looked at my bill it was

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like you know uh peak peak minutes 250 off peak minutes 2000 i was like yeah okay

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i used to just scan at night once it would turn nine once it would turn 901 i would just start

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scanning and my phone bills would come my phone bills would come and it'd be 50 pages long

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dude that'd be sweet i wonder if they get i wonder if they get pissed at you for that probably

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oh well it's happened well i've done it for like three years

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i should try that sometime yeah but uh that's what you should do you should write like a java

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app that scans for you automatically off your blackberry yeah that'd be really cool if i knew how

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to do all that java crap i tried to look it up i was looking at java programming but it seems too late

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for me java sucks

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well that sort of wraps it up i mean well yeah just just one final comment if you're running a

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business and you can't afford the extra 40 bucks a month for a mobile phone plan that suits your

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needs get out of the business and get a real job as quickly as you possibly can because damn your

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revenue stream sucks well no i don't think you can't afford i mean you know just he he's there

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and he's he's pinching pennies that's what it is right and pennies yeah and i feel it it's it's good to

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be to be penny wise i guess when you're when you're running a business but there's definitely an

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a reason reasonability factor and this is the kind of thing where it's like 40 bucks or endless hassle

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i'd go with the 40 bucks it's not an endless hassle it's simple you call up you hang up and it gets

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back down and and that's what it is it's simple yeah

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less revenue but hey

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so anyway personal hacking stories time

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yeah sure why not we had an net split on irc and i can no longer see uh zigman

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now let's hope no one calls us call now a triple eight nine bin rev this is where i take calling

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oh that's the calling section oh well well i don't know if we have uh any calls queued up yet

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i don't think we have any callers to be honest with you and i it's a net split just happened so

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yes there's a rc i bet like everyone's who ising us right now and uh

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okay like you know like going oh my god they're on this like super cool channel let's all go join over there

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and like realizing that we never talk on there

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yay next it's over

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so now you can call triple eight nine bin rev

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or or or what is it oh eight four five six four six uh zero one zero two hey all right look at

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that i could actually get it right amazing

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so uh natis what have you been doing with um all your wonderful stuff what's your what's your

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personal hacking story for today what show and tell i don't know i had a couple things i want to

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talk about in this section that was cool right yeah go for it man all right uh but well let's

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see last night i was talking to mitnick and we were trying to get spoofing working to

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israel but we couldn't get that to work so spoofing does not work to israel well you're just dropping

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names tonight left and right you're like oh man i know the silver medalist from the olympics

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i was talking to mitnick last night actually i was like oh man every time he goes somewhere though

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he instant messaged me he's like hey can we try spoofing can we try spoofing the antarctica

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dude i want mitnick to im me i'd be like yeah you don't no you don't he's annoying

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you heard it here first kevin mitnick is annoying

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i've been running radio exclusive

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so no he's cool yeah he gets annoying on his messenger

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which is like constantly like you know sending you all like the cool smileys and everything and

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sending you like oh my god natus check it out i got a video of a monkey drinking its own

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check it out l-o-l-r-o-f-l-netus

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i'm just i'm picturing kevin mitnick in his e-helmet

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i'm not sure how many people actually got that

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no one here got it but hopefully someone out in the

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listenership

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the audio just cut out and i don't know if you guys are talking or what

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no we were talking we're talking about kevin mitnick in his e-helmet

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okay yeah i couldn't hear you guys it cut out again sorry

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shit man you're just getting owned by your blackberry

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i know

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these just proves blackberries suck

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no

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i don't know all right so anyway

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i've been working on real-time asterisk with postgres too

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i don't know if you guys played with real-time at all

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with mysql or anything not so much

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for about 10 seconds

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oh really

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so i'm trying to write an article on it because there was

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there was one up on

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uh i think it's asterisk guru dot com or dot net

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and it helps you get it set up but

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once you once you get all the

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just once you get it set up it doesn't really tell you how to

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put stuff

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in your

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database or

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anything like that

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so

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i'm trying to expand on it a little bit

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i'm trying to work on that for old school freak and daily freak

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and then you guys know you guys know about the ix the eeps encryption i've heard about it yeah

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yes i've heard about it

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have you actually started playing with that

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um i tried setting it up and i tried making some calls on my network

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and i think i got it

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so

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i don't know that's pretty cool though

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i want somebody to set up a free world dial-up like system now with that

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that supports encryption

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well i mean how does the encryption work is it a symmetric key or is it an asymmetric key

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i don't know it uses aes 128

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yeah i believe aes is symmetric encryption so

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if you

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i mean if you

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i mean if you agree on a certain key it's okay if you have two parties but

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i mean if you had like a free world dial-up service basically you'd say

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you'd have to

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unless you could generate like a random key i guess and just say

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this is your key don't lose it

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i don't know the the

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because it's some

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for those of you who don't know the difference between asymmetric and symmetric encryption

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symmetric encryption is basically if

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if natis and i wanted to talk on over

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or talk in code we both agree on a secret way of communicating whether it be

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um a mathematic formula where it would enter a certain number and it's a

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you know i i'd choose number 42 and i'd somehow have to relay to natis

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uh 42

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and he would be able to decrypt the message that i send to him as opposed to asymmetric where

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um

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he has a number that's public and i have it's a asymmetric is a lot like public key encryption and

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i'd rather not explain public key encryption on this show

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perhaps

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the secret word today is dog balls

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yes exactly we'd have we have the secret password and that would be dog balls and he'd be able to uh

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and and and strom would be able to decrypt whatever i would send to him and i would be able to decrypt whatever strom would send to me so

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but the hard part with that is actually finding a way to tell that person

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you know here's your here's your secret key

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because you got to actually protect that with your life because it's kind of important

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for obvious reasons

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well i don't know if this has anything to do with it but

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to have the encryption work you have to use md5 authentication

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hmm that's interesting well they actually might solve that because i believe on the

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asterisk side

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md5 is set up asymmetrically so

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i don't know this is something that i'm going to have to look into now you've piqued my interest natus

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thank you very much this is i don't have enough to do already

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now we find out the truth about black ratchet he's obsessive compulsive when it comes to these things

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oh god i'm nuts i really am

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insert sound of cuckoo clock here

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oh all right so something else something else i was uh

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kind of thinking about lately was um having a contest like a giveaway

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on dailyfreak.com my blog oh yeah telco we're gonna give

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we're gonna give away whatever i was trying to figure out what i should

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give away uh we were thinking yeah you were you messaged me earlier

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thinking like either an eeksy or something along those lines

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or right something boy for telco

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yeah or maybe like a like a 7960

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or a cell phone that you guys think is cool or a wi-fi like a voip wi-fi handset

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so i don't know i want to see what the listeners want what they'd think it'd be

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cool to get date with black ratchet what do you think would be cool black ratchet what do you want a trio

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i don't do a trio rock i'd be like i mean what kind of contest are you going to have that's the question

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yeah i don't know that's what i was wondering i was trying to figure out what i could do too maybe

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find out mick next screen name

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no um i don't know maybe like a question and whoever answers the question right and then all the answers get put in all the correct

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answers get put into like a hat and drawn from a hat or something

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that can work

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how many unique visitors to daily freak um we'll plug it we'll completely plug it on the show

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uh dailyfreak.com how many unique visitors do you get per day

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uh per day i'm not sure i think last month uh january was the first full month that site was up

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and it said that my web staff said that it got um 11 000 visits i guess i was holy crap

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god damn i want to be elite like you

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that that is family 100 mitnick like you you're a media whore

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well i got like i guess i got like 60 000 or 70 000 hits for like the whole month

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holy crap

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so it's going up it's pretty good

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oh yeah

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yeah

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uh strong what have you been doing or i assume natis has done

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yeah or have

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yeah did you want to talk about the verizon wireless evdo real quick

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oh yeah shit i completely forgot about that boy i'm just cussing up a storm tonight aren't i

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yeah so so natis founded had a discovery today about the uh verizon evdo uh end user license

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agreement and you you can go explain what the hell was going on

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uh well basically the terms of service says that uh they're limiting you to certain stuff they're

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saying that you can only surf the web uh check your email and check internet and go to intranet

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sites and stuff like that and they're specifically uh prohibiting using voip over evdo

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and it says downloading and uploading videos

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music and playing games and stuff like that anything that's like bandwidth intensive

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peer-to-peer is obviously blocked

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yeah that's uh

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but just

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i i don't i don't understand why you can't play games on evdo

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yeah well the latency would probably be pretty bad but still well yeah i mean it'd be bad for voip too but

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but they're definitely fearing and they're uh they're probably fearing voip over evdo

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so yeah i mean voip over evdo plus i i mean i didn't think it was going to be a big deal because

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you know you're thinking you know verizon oh they're a cell phone company people will

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will just use your cell phones anyway i mean they're they're kind of losing out on it but

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still it just sucks but um

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then that has brought up the fact that

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there's certain people i mean they sell plans out there where it's unlimited data

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and you just get a pc card

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so you you can't use that as a voip phone

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which

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which really checks me on

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or videos

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yeah what i don't understand the videos thing

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i mean

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you can't stream videos on evdo i mean

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why i mean if i

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gosh darn it if i want to watch porn on the train i should be able to

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yep

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be super elite porn on the train that'd be pretty cool

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really freak people out i wonder if you can get in trouble for that

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do you know that amped mobile has uh

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naked news

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on there

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oh you sent me that link i didn't actually click on it though

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you know i have a friend asked me this and

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i actually researched it and wrote the wikipedia article

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the

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amped mobile is

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a virtual mobile network operator that runs on the verizon evdo network

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right

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but still that's the lead that they offer that

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and verizon doesn't

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can you access the internet on it

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huh

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can you access the internet on the amped

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i would think so

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it uses evdo

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actually i don't know maybe the phones will have

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our web browsers built into them

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they only have a couple phones

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seriously i really want to get evdo

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and i just want to have something where i can just plug my

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laptop into my phone and have an internet connection

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is that too much to ask

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right that's what i'm going to do with my blackberry

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i can upgrade my blackberry

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and i'll activate the evdo

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chipset in my phone

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and then i can plug it in

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actually they make you pay extra for the blackberry

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connection though

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so if i wanted to hook it up to my laptop

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it'd be an extra fifteen dollars a month

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but but you don't have evdo at your current location do you

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no no that's a thing too

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but when i travel that's like when i need it the most you know

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uh

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you

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i mean last time last place

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the last place i went was tampa

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and i looked and tampa has evdo

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and so it would have been cool if i had it then

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i didn't have the internet the whole week i was there

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natus high-powered executive blackberry evdo laptop he's like hell yeah

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coast to coast

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and make people fear the most

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can't use voip on evdo because it's bad

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yes

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take away revenue

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yeah i hate when that happens

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love revenue

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what have you been doing

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not a whole lot

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i i did however sign up for my svc online billing

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for my local phone service

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and one of the authentication options

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is that you sign up

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and then you have to prove that you are who you claim you are

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and one of their options is of course

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that you can

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call a toll-free number

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from your home phone

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so

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i'm sitting on

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i'm sitting on the phone with bill

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while i'm signing up for this

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i'm like

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ooh okay

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we of course have to try spoofing to it

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so i figure out that if i

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if i call it through voice pulse connect

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and spoof my home phone number

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i'm authorized

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so

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that was my

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uber elite hacksore story of the day

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thank you for abusing at&t

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i'm pretty sure lance

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had an advisory

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yeah i told lance about it

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he's like

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yeah old news

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i think it's in fishing exposed actually

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in the telephony chapter

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strom's talking with lance james

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mitnick is talking to nanas

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and

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i just feel in love

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i need a celebrity friend

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i talked to lance james too dude

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yeah

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you talked to mitnick and lance james

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so you're cool with the most of us

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should we take a call

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oh no no

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because strom's got mark spencer

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i'm just i'm just

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i'll trade you kevin

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i'll trade you kevin

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i'll trade you kevin polson

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and mitnick

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for mark spencer

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hmm

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okay i'll

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i'll i'll have to see

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i don't know if i want my karma points

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to

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uh

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yeah i

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god i really can't fake being you

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knowing what the hell i'm talking about

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let's take a call

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that sounds like a cool idea

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we have a call

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we have a call

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well

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sweet

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that's awesome

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well

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what i've

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what i've been doing

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is

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um

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i

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i've really

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haven't been doing anything

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hacking related

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i've been

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i've been mucking about

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with c-sharp

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and doing

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code that's

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somewhat personal

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but you know

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completely unrelated to hacking

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it's just more of

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messing about with

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personal pet projects

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that i really don't plan on

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releasing anytime soon

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um

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other than that

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uh

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it's been relatively quiet

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it's been

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it's been sad

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you're

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you're sad

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because it's been quiet

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yeah i'm sad

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i'm sad because i have nothing to do

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all right

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we have machine screw

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on the line with us

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hello

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hello machine screw

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um

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yo

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yeah i just wanted to

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comment on uh

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the uh

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kevin rose thing

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uh

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he said that he's not

48:45.720 --> 48:46.600
uh

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going to be selling to

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uh

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yahoo

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he has a

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a lot of new things

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planning up for dig

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and they're

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they're coming out

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uh

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pretty soon

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um

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so

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he's not selling

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uh

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rumors started by somebody

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so

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to be honest

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if someone is going to sell

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i mean have they ever

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came out in the cell

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before they announced it

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saying

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oh yeah we're going to sell

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i mean

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you may be right

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i'm not i'm not saying

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otherwise but um

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yeah

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you know

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you actually run into a person

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that said

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oh we're going to sell

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and we're going to sell

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tomorrow but we're not

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going to actually tell you

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about that

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right right right

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yeah

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it's

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it's true

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i mean you know

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they're not going to tell you

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if they're going to sell

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or not

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one way or the other

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they don't want to

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you know

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say whoa

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what happened

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you know

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so

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but

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the way i see it though

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the way i see it though

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is that

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they're backed by

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venture capitalists

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like mainly

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so

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i mean pretty much

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it's always like a

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venture capitalist goal

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to like

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eventually get bought out

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it seems like

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yeah yeah

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eventually

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it seems like 20 million

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it seems like 20 million dollars

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for dig

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well that's the whole point

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of venture capitalists

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you invest in

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in companies that grow

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that you can sell off

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after a couple of years

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once they get big

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yeah

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but i mean

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the best way to sell it off

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is to like sell it out

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to a huge company

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i mean

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i'm sure dig's making

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a lot of money

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but

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still 20 million

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they don't want to

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make 20 million dollars

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right

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but i mean

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that would just be

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so like

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the dot com thing

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everybody got bought out

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you know

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by every

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all the new dot coms

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got bought out

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by larger companies

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yeah but that was

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the whole point

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of establishing

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with small dot coms

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is to eventually

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be sold

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to some large company

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right

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look at

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right look at

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weblogs inc

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weblogs inc

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and delicious

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that's the whole thing

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you know

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yeah

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right

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so

50:41.160 --> 50:42.860
you know

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i myself

50:43.640 --> 50:44.540
wanted to start a business

50:44.540 --> 50:46.040
but i can never figure out

50:46.040 --> 50:47.180
what business to start

50:47.180 --> 50:53.040
i have all these great ideas

50:53.040 --> 50:53.880
you know

50:53.880 --> 50:54.380
on it

50:54.380 --> 50:55.420
my idea is to

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crush microsoft

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and the evil corporation

50:58.020 --> 50:59.660
i just twisted a twist tie

50:59.660 --> 51:00.880
into the handspring logo

51:00.880 --> 51:04.700
speaking of

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yeah

51:05.760 --> 51:06.520
thank you very much

51:06.520 --> 51:06.760
strong

51:06.760 --> 51:07.960
and uh

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thank you very much

51:08.780 --> 51:09.340
machine screw

51:09.340 --> 51:10.540
not to push you out

51:10.540 --> 51:11.360
but we actually do have to

51:11.360 --> 51:12.140
get on to the main topic

51:12.140 --> 51:12.460
tonight

51:12.460 --> 51:13.680
thank you for calling

51:13.680 --> 51:14.220
no problem

51:14.220 --> 51:14.840
no problem

51:14.840 --> 51:15.380
thank you for calling

51:15.380 --> 51:17.060
and putting it out there

51:17.060 --> 51:17.400
so for

51:17.400 --> 51:17.920
yep

51:17.920 --> 51:18.700
okay

51:18.700 --> 51:19.580
alrighty

51:19.580 --> 51:19.740
bye

51:19.740 --> 51:20.880
talk to you later

51:20.880 --> 51:24.640
i kind of felt rude

51:24.640 --> 51:25.360
kind of shoving them off

51:25.360 --> 51:25.680
like that

51:25.680 --> 51:26.380
but we do need to get

51:26.380 --> 51:27.140
into our main topic

51:27.140 --> 51:27.440
tonight

51:27.440 --> 51:28.720
which is

51:28.720 --> 51:29.140
uh

51:29.140 --> 51:30.880
ntp versus rim

51:30.880 --> 51:31.940
otherwise known as

51:31.940 --> 51:33.160
the blackberry case

51:33.160 --> 51:34.740
oh no

51:34.740 --> 51:35.960
oh no

51:35.960 --> 51:36.620
apparently

51:36.620 --> 51:41.280
i don't know

51:41.280 --> 51:41.840
who's going to win

51:41.840 --> 51:42.180
the gold

51:42.180 --> 51:42.980
in the court case

51:42.980 --> 51:43.860
oh look at that

51:43.860 --> 51:44.140
you know

51:44.140 --> 51:45.140
wonderful opening argument

51:45.140 --> 51:45.940
that'll do our well

51:45.940 --> 51:46.500
with the judge

51:46.500 --> 51:48.980
i i would love to see

51:48.980 --> 51:49.300
uh

51:49.300 --> 51:50.600
court cases commented on

51:50.600 --> 51:51.340
like like they were

51:51.340 --> 51:52.040
olympic events

51:52.040 --> 51:56.800
i i was actually

51:56.800 --> 51:57.760
making that comment today

51:57.760 --> 51:58.280
i was like you know

51:58.280 --> 51:59.080
i think life would be

51:59.080 --> 51:59.760
a lot more interesting

51:59.760 --> 52:01.080
if we had color commenters

52:01.080 --> 52:02.660
oh

52:02.660 --> 52:03.600
we should put

52:03.600 --> 52:03.940
rem

52:03.940 --> 52:04.940
we should put out

52:04.940 --> 52:05.820
rem and ntp

52:05.820 --> 52:06.640
and i'm judge duty

52:06.640 --> 52:07.360
oh god

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i'm not

52:11.380 --> 52:12.540
validator anymore

52:12.540 --> 52:15.300
that would be great

52:15.300 --> 52:15.780
so

52:15.780 --> 52:17.040
i don't know

52:17.040 --> 52:18.180
natis do you want to

52:18.180 --> 52:18.960
you want to take this

52:18.960 --> 52:19.920
or shall i introduce

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the

52:20.180 --> 52:21.800
the major players

52:21.800 --> 52:23.100
i don't know

52:23.100 --> 52:23.960
how about you introduce

52:23.960 --> 52:24.200
them

52:24.200 --> 52:24.900
and then i'll take it

52:24.900 --> 52:25.260
from there

52:25.260 --> 52:25.760
all right

52:25.760 --> 52:26.200
all right

52:26.200 --> 52:26.540
well

52:26.540 --> 52:27.420
you wrote up

52:27.420 --> 52:28.000
these show notes

52:28.000 --> 52:28.260
after

52:28.260 --> 52:28.880
you wrote up

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these show notes

52:29.420 --> 52:29.880
on nice

52:29.880 --> 52:30.880
after i

52:30.880 --> 52:31.100
yeah true

52:31.100 --> 52:31.420
didn't i

52:31.420 --> 52:31.900
know what i want

52:31.900 --> 52:32.300
to talk about

52:32.300 --> 52:32.540
yeah

52:32.540 --> 52:34.480
well okay

52:34.480 --> 52:35.540
so the two

52:35.540 --> 52:36.460
the two players

52:36.460 --> 52:37.400
are in this

52:37.400 --> 52:37.940
we'll just sort of

52:37.940 --> 52:38.480
give us a brief

52:38.480 --> 52:38.860
history

52:38.860 --> 52:39.960
the first one

52:39.960 --> 52:41.540
which actually

52:41.540 --> 52:42.140
stands for

52:42.140 --> 52:43.500
research in motion

52:43.500 --> 52:43.980
exactly

52:43.980 --> 52:44.800
well i was going

52:44.800 --> 52:45.260
to get into that

52:45.260 --> 52:46.240
but um

52:46.240 --> 52:47.080
they're a canadian

52:47.080 --> 52:48.020
wireless device

52:48.020 --> 52:48.420
company

52:48.420 --> 52:49.220
otherwise known

52:49.220 --> 52:50.000
as a cell phone

52:50.000 --> 52:50.420
company

52:50.420 --> 52:51.620
um

52:51.620 --> 52:53.160
obviously their

52:53.160 --> 52:54.020
their flagship

52:54.020 --> 52:54.820
product is the

52:54.820 --> 52:55.480
blackberry

52:55.480 --> 52:56.780
which is a small

52:56.780 --> 52:57.700
handheld communication

52:57.700 --> 52:58.280
device and it

52:58.280 --> 52:58.760
really is the

52:58.760 --> 52:59.080
first

52:59.080 --> 53:00.880
cell phone

53:00.880 --> 53:01.600
um

53:01.600 --> 53:02.520
cell phone

53:02.520 --> 53:04.020
digital pda

53:04.020 --> 53:04.620
thing that ever

53:04.620 --> 53:05.320
really came out

53:05.320 --> 53:06.440
um

53:06.440 --> 53:07.320
for those of you

53:07.320 --> 53:07.760
who want to know

53:07.760 --> 53:08.480
they're headquartered

53:08.480 --> 53:09.660
in waterloo ontario

53:09.660 --> 53:10.940
um

53:10.940 --> 53:11.420
and they actually

53:11.420 --> 53:11.840
have their own

53:11.840 --> 53:12.500
little park named

53:12.500 --> 53:13.080
after them and

53:13.080 --> 53:13.520
their own little

53:13.520 --> 53:14.080
corporate center

53:14.080 --> 53:14.800
it's very nice

53:14.800 --> 53:16.220
i saw a picture of

53:16.220 --> 53:16.880
it today when i was

53:16.880 --> 53:17.400
googling it was

53:17.400 --> 53:18.000
very it was

53:18.000 --> 53:18.840
it's it's

53:18.840 --> 53:19.800
incredibly huge

53:19.800 --> 53:20.680
called rim park

53:20.680 --> 53:22.980
yeah

53:22.980 --> 53:23.560
sounds like a hot

53:23.560 --> 53:24.280
cruising spot

53:24.280 --> 53:29.000
um

53:29.000 --> 53:29.320
um

53:29.320 --> 53:31.580
well before

53:31.580 --> 53:32.080
before the

53:32.080 --> 53:33.180
blackberry um

53:33.180 --> 53:34.600
rim worked with

53:34.600 --> 53:36.000
ram mobile data

53:36.000 --> 53:37.180
services which was

53:37.180 --> 53:38.040
i always found it

53:38.040 --> 53:38.620
very interesting

53:38.620 --> 53:39.340
with rim and

53:39.340 --> 53:40.480
ram um

53:40.480 --> 53:41.360
they also actually

53:41.360 --> 53:42.520
uh worked with

53:42.520 --> 53:43.680
ericsson which was

53:43.680 --> 53:44.480
later bought out by

53:44.480 --> 53:44.840
sony

53:44.840 --> 53:46.080
to um

53:46.080 --> 53:47.540
develop the

53:47.540 --> 53:48.540
ericsson is still

53:48.540 --> 53:48.920
an independent

53:48.920 --> 53:49.740
company ericsson

53:49.740 --> 53:50.380
entered into a

53:50.380 --> 53:50.860
joint venture

53:50.860 --> 53:51.340
agreement with

53:51.340 --> 53:51.820
its wireless

53:51.820 --> 53:52.660
products division

53:52.660 --> 53:53.220
with sony

53:53.220 --> 53:55.680
oh really

53:55.680 --> 53:56.980
now ericsson on

53:56.980 --> 53:57.780
its own i believe

53:57.780 --> 53:59.060
is still an

53:59.060 --> 53:59.840
independent company

53:59.840 --> 54:02.620
oh i stand

54:02.620 --> 54:03.060
corrected

54:03.060 --> 54:05.880
anyway um

54:05.880 --> 54:07.440
so rim ram and

54:07.440 --> 54:08.020
ericsson they

54:08.020 --> 54:08.520
developed something

54:08.520 --> 54:09.480
called mobitex

54:09.480 --> 54:11.140
which was a

54:11.140 --> 54:12.000
wireless data

54:12.000 --> 54:12.780
network and

54:12.780 --> 54:13.840
two-way paging

54:13.840 --> 54:15.420
uh service

54:15.420 --> 54:16.920
uh what what it

54:16.920 --> 54:17.720
was is basically

54:17.720 --> 54:18.920
trying to uh

54:18.920 --> 54:20.100
usurp was a

54:20.100 --> 54:21.300
motorola sky tell

54:21.300 --> 54:22.260
two-way paging

54:22.260 --> 54:22.640
network

54:22.640 --> 54:23.900
um they

54:23.900 --> 54:24.400
actually their

54:24.400 --> 54:24.900
first thing that

54:24.900 --> 54:25.960
they released was

54:25.960 --> 54:27.020
the interactive

54:27.020 --> 54:28.500
pager 950 which

54:28.500 --> 54:29.040
have actually

54:29.040 --> 54:30.200
someone that i

54:30.200 --> 54:31.100
knew had one

54:31.100 --> 54:32.040
back back in the

54:32.040 --> 54:33.640
day this was in

54:33.640 --> 54:34.520
i think i think it

54:34.520 --> 54:35.040
was in high school

54:35.040 --> 54:35.800
at this point and

54:35.800 --> 54:36.620
and one of the

54:36.620 --> 54:38.520
i don't know how

54:38.520 --> 54:39.200
the kid got his

54:39.200 --> 54:40.040
hands on it but he

54:40.040 --> 54:40.700
had one and i

54:40.700 --> 54:41.200
thought it was the

54:41.200 --> 54:41.900
coolest thing ever

54:41.900 --> 54:44.100
um in in the

54:44.100 --> 54:44.760
corner in the

54:44.760 --> 54:45.480
other corner wearing

54:45.480 --> 54:46.440
the gold trunks is

54:46.440 --> 54:47.660
ntp inc and

54:47.660 --> 54:48.660
they're a virginia

54:48.660 --> 54:49.980
based something

54:49.980 --> 54:50.740
called a patent

54:50.740 --> 54:51.740
holding company

54:51.740 --> 54:54.180
which it just

54:54.180 --> 54:54.980
boggles my mind

54:54.980 --> 54:55.480
they were founded

54:55.480 --> 54:58.560
in 1992 um by

54:58.560 --> 54:59.000
two people

54:59.000 --> 55:00.020
thomas j thomas

55:00.020 --> 55:01.140
campana jr and

55:01.140 --> 55:01.580
one of them is

55:01.580 --> 55:02.000
now dead

55:02.000 --> 55:04.460
uh they yeah

55:04.460 --> 55:05.560
i think it was

55:05.560 --> 55:07.820
dead oh i knew

55:07.820 --> 55:08.360
one of them was

55:08.360 --> 55:08.960
dead i just

55:08.960 --> 55:09.420
showed up the

55:09.420 --> 55:11.080
other yeah well

55:11.080 --> 55:11.680
the uh apparently

55:11.680 --> 55:12.920
tom campana died

55:12.920 --> 55:14.140
but i always see

55:14.140 --> 55:14.700
it's because it's

55:14.700 --> 55:15.140
always amusing

55:15.140 --> 55:17.040
seeing oh founded

55:17.040 --> 55:18.400
in 1992 by the

55:18.400 --> 55:19.320
late inventor thomas

55:19.320 --> 55:20.400
j capana jr and

55:20.400 --> 55:21.460
donna east out so

55:21.460 --> 55:22.160
like you know

55:22.160 --> 55:23.060
we're with that

55:23.060 --> 55:24.120
conjunction right

55:24.120 --> 55:24.520
there you can

55:24.520 --> 55:25.120
never tell i think

55:25.120 --> 55:25.840
only one of them

55:25.840 --> 55:26.160
is dead

55:26.160 --> 55:28.640
oh i would

55:28.640 --> 55:29.120
assume that it

55:29.120 --> 55:29.860
would be mr

55:29.860 --> 55:30.440
campana there

55:30.440 --> 55:31.620
um basically

55:31.620 --> 55:32.900
the the entire

55:32.900 --> 55:34.520
reason ntp is

55:34.520 --> 55:35.420
about their only

55:35.420 --> 55:37.400
asset is a set

55:37.400 --> 55:38.140
of email

55:38.140 --> 55:39.040
patents that

55:39.040 --> 55:39.500
no i'm sorry

55:39.500 --> 55:40.260
set of patents

55:40.260 --> 55:40.900
that deal with

55:40.900 --> 55:41.880
wireless email

55:41.880 --> 55:44.160
and they they were

55:44.160 --> 55:45.280
awarded by they were

55:45.280 --> 55:45.920
awarded to thomas

55:45.920 --> 55:46.740
campana and they

55:46.740 --> 55:47.240
were originally

55:47.240 --> 55:48.140
uh assigned to

55:48.140 --> 55:48.620
something called a

55:48.620 --> 55:49.500
telephine corporation

55:49.500 --> 55:50.500
a florida based

55:50.500 --> 55:52.000
company which was

55:52.000 --> 55:53.020
owned by capana

55:53.020 --> 55:54.260
which apparently is now

55:54.260 --> 55:55.080
out of business so

55:55.080 --> 55:57.460
ntp like headquartered

55:57.460 --> 55:58.920
in in like an extra

55:58.920 --> 55:59.680
bedroom of one of the

55:59.680 --> 56:00.360
guy's houses or

56:00.360 --> 56:03.440
something i have no

56:03.440 --> 56:04.280
clue but i wouldn't be

56:04.280 --> 56:05.220
surprised it sounds

56:05.220 --> 56:06.320
it sounds rather fly by

56:06.320 --> 56:10.520
night so in 2001 and

56:10.520 --> 56:11.880
we they had a bit of a

56:11.880 --> 56:12.740
disagreement together

56:12.740 --> 56:13.600
and i think that is

56:13.600 --> 56:14.200
going to take over at

56:14.200 --> 56:17.940
this point okay um so

56:17.940 --> 56:19.480
yeah in 2001 they were

56:19.480 --> 56:22.100
sued for they were

56:22.100 --> 56:23.000
sued for i don't know

56:23.000 --> 56:23.760
how many of the patents

56:23.760 --> 56:25.340
for the five i think it

56:25.340 --> 56:26.200
was five it was eight

56:26.200 --> 56:28.760
oh really okay so

56:28.760 --> 56:29.700
they were sued for

56:29.700 --> 56:30.900
eight infringing

56:30.900 --> 56:32.300
patent patents on

56:32.300 --> 56:34.280
wireless email and a

56:34.280 --> 56:35.500
court found rim guilty

56:35.500 --> 56:37.560
and rim was ordered to

56:37.560 --> 56:39.340
pay ntp 23 million in

56:39.340 --> 56:42.260
damages and they

56:42.260 --> 56:47.100
appealed um and they've

56:47.100 --> 56:47.940
been appealing ever since

56:47.940 --> 56:49.720
right yeah they all

56:49.720 --> 56:50.560
obviously because they

56:50.560 --> 56:51.360
haven't paid it up yet

56:51.360 --> 56:53.380
nothing's uh happened so

56:53.380 --> 56:54.720
far so it's still i

56:54.720 --> 56:55.520
believe it's still stuck

56:55.520 --> 56:57.100
in their heels yeah

56:57.100 --> 56:59.640
okay so and then this

56:59.640 --> 57:01.160
year all right this year

57:01.160 --> 57:02.160
it got really weird because

57:02.160 --> 57:04.120
they were gonna agree to a

57:04.120 --> 57:05.740
450 million dollar

57:05.740 --> 57:08.400
settlement and from what i've

57:08.400 --> 57:09.700
heard i don't know this

57:09.700 --> 57:10.460
might be rumor or

57:10.460 --> 57:11.340
something but from what i

57:11.340 --> 57:12.440
heard the pat the um

57:12.440 --> 57:15.200
the agreement was like on

57:15.200 --> 57:16.420
written written on a napkin

57:16.420 --> 57:18.200
it was like that unofficial

57:18.200 --> 57:20.660
and that's why i heard that's

57:20.660 --> 57:21.500
why i heard that's why

57:21.500 --> 57:24.440
uh ntp um declined it

57:24.440 --> 57:26.340
because it was like super

57:26.340 --> 57:28.480
sketchy it was like it was

57:28.480 --> 57:29.720
obviously super short if it

57:29.720 --> 57:30.580
was written on a napkin

57:30.580 --> 57:35.100
and seriously i mean if i own

57:35.100 --> 57:38.520
this patent that it's it's in

57:38.520 --> 57:39.960
someone wants to say dude we

57:39.960 --> 57:41.800
will give you 450 million

57:41.800 --> 57:42.960
dollars to license this from

57:42.960 --> 57:44.620
you i'll be like okay

57:44.620 --> 57:47.280
yeah so they think they're

57:47.280 --> 57:48.220
worth more than that now

57:48.220 --> 57:49.220
they think they're worth like

57:49.220 --> 57:50.220
a percentage of the

57:50.220 --> 57:52.980
company's um their income

57:52.980 --> 57:54.540
or whatever which they're

57:54.540 --> 57:55.780
claiming would be around one

57:55.780 --> 57:57.820
billion dollars now so that's

57:57.820 --> 57:58.500
what they're trying to get

57:58.500 --> 57:59.280
now they're trying to get a

57:59.280 --> 58:01.740
billion but they might not

58:01.740 --> 58:02.360
get anything

58:02.360 --> 58:03.760
billion dollars

58:03.760 --> 58:06.600
yeah i mean i can't believe

58:06.600 --> 58:07.340
that they would turn down

58:07.340 --> 58:08.740
450 million

58:08.740 --> 58:11.280
that's just insane it's like

58:11.280 --> 58:12.060
you know probably like you

58:12.060 --> 58:14.300
know i'm curious what their

58:14.300 --> 58:15.880
lawyer fees at this point are

58:15.880 --> 58:17.060
that that there's a question

58:17.060 --> 58:18.940
probably like you know two

58:18.940 --> 58:20.080
million two hundred million

58:20.080 --> 58:20.940
dollars worth of lawyers

58:20.940 --> 58:21.800
fees at this point

58:21.800 --> 58:23.660
yeah it's got to be something

58:23.660 --> 58:24.100
crazy

58:24.100 --> 58:24.760
no

58:24.760 --> 58:28.100
so and then the deal never

58:28.100 --> 58:30.300
happened on it was uh june 10

58:30.300 --> 58:31.740
2005 i guess

58:31.740 --> 58:34.140
finalized the terms of the

58:34.140 --> 58:34.900
agreement but it didn't

58:34.900 --> 58:35.240
happen

58:35.240 --> 58:37.960
and so far they've been um

58:37.960 --> 58:40.100
but they've been trying to

58:40.100 --> 58:41.160
have the patents

58:41.160 --> 58:43.200
basically rejected

58:43.200 --> 58:44.800
they've they're trying to have

58:44.800 --> 58:45.700
them re-looked at

58:45.700 --> 58:47.040
because they claim that they're

58:47.040 --> 58:47.460
not valid

58:47.460 --> 58:48.880
rims trying to have them re-looked

58:48.880 --> 58:49.440
at i don't think

58:49.440 --> 58:49.760
right

58:49.760 --> 58:50.100
right

58:50.100 --> 58:51.000
didn't the

58:51.000 --> 58:51.660
right

58:51.660 --> 58:53.340
didn't the usb too already

58:53.340 --> 58:54.260
invalidate like

58:54.260 --> 58:55.940
some of the patents

58:55.940 --> 58:58.460
they invalidated five of them

58:58.460 --> 58:59.620
and that was supposed to be all

58:59.620 --> 59:00.360
of them so i'm not sure if

59:00.360 --> 59:01.360
there was eight or five or

59:01.360 --> 59:02.540
what it's down to five now

59:02.540 --> 59:04.080
and they've all they've all

59:04.080 --> 59:05.260
been issued non-final

59:05.260 --> 59:06.120
rejections

59:06.120 --> 59:08.640
so now they have like 30

59:08.640 --> 59:09.100
days

59:09.100 --> 59:11.320
this was uh maybe two weeks

59:11.320 --> 59:11.600
ago

59:11.600 --> 59:13.260
that the final one was issued

59:13.260 --> 59:14.820
the final non-final one

59:14.820 --> 59:16.840
and so they've probably got a

59:16.840 --> 59:17.640
couple weeks now

59:17.640 --> 59:19.540
but it doesn't matter because

59:19.540 --> 59:20.240
they're going to court on

59:20.240 --> 59:20.600
friday

59:20.600 --> 59:23.120
so basically this judge is

59:23.120 --> 59:23.760
pretty crazy

59:23.760 --> 59:25.640
and he doesn't want to wait

59:25.640 --> 59:27.000
for the patent office because

59:27.000 --> 59:28.140
this has been going on since

59:28.140 --> 59:29.320
2001

59:29.320 --> 59:30.960
one the judge wants to get

59:30.960 --> 59:32.000
it over with as uh

59:32.000 --> 59:33.280
quickly as possible

59:33.280 --> 59:34.200
so

59:34.200 --> 59:35.760
as early as friday

59:35.760 --> 59:36.900
uh everything might get

59:36.900 --> 59:37.460
shut down

59:37.460 --> 59:39.600
hell it should send them

59:39.600 --> 59:40.620
over to the criminal courts

59:40.620 --> 59:41.560
we're actually you know

59:41.560 --> 59:42.360
speeding this will make a

59:42.360 --> 59:42.740
difference

59:42.740 --> 59:44.560
right and it's kind of

59:44.560 --> 59:45.800
crazy too because the um

59:45.800 --> 59:46.900
patent office actually

59:46.900 --> 59:48.440
has um

59:48.440 --> 59:49.180
its own

59:49.180 --> 59:50.700
has like its own

59:50.700 --> 59:51.600
division working on

59:51.600 --> 59:52.560
just this case now

59:52.560 --> 59:54.400
i mean the patent

59:54.400 --> 59:55.340
it's good that the patent

59:55.340 --> 59:56.260
office stepped it up a

59:56.260 --> 59:57.120
little bit at least

59:57.120 --> 59:58.860
because

59:58.860 --> 59:59.420
they want

59:59.420 --> 01:00:00.160
the patent office did

01:00:00.160 --> 01:00:01.180
this but it's also stupid

01:00:01.180 --> 01:00:01.920
the patent office

01:00:01.920 --> 01:00:03.400
actually issued these

01:00:03.400 --> 01:00:04.060
bloody things

01:00:04.060 --> 01:00:08.040
i actually also want to

01:00:08.040 --> 01:00:08.640
know what the hell a

01:00:08.640 --> 01:00:10.240
non-final rejection is

01:00:10.240 --> 01:00:11.900
sounds like something out

01:00:11.900 --> 01:00:12.440
of like you know

01:00:12.440 --> 01:00:14.260
sounds like something out

01:00:14.260 --> 01:00:15.360
of an engineering dating

01:00:15.360 --> 01:00:15.720
scheme

01:00:15.720 --> 01:00:17.720
what i'm guessing a

01:00:17.720 --> 01:00:18.700
non-final rejection is

01:00:18.700 --> 01:00:19.200
you know it's like

01:00:19.200 --> 01:00:19.760
you know

01:00:19.760 --> 01:00:21.080
we have reason to

01:00:21.080 --> 01:00:21.980
believe that you know

01:00:21.980 --> 01:00:23.040
we are about to

01:00:23.040 --> 01:00:24.100
invalidate your patent

01:00:24.100 --> 01:00:25.240
and you have 30 days to

01:00:25.240 --> 01:00:26.600
appeal and tell us why

01:00:26.600 --> 01:00:27.740
or something like that

01:00:27.740 --> 01:00:29.360
yeah

01:00:29.360 --> 01:00:30.200
yeah probably

01:00:30.200 --> 01:00:33.880
so okay so so on

01:00:33.880 --> 01:00:34.440
friday

01:00:34.440 --> 01:00:36.280
um

01:00:36.280 --> 01:00:37.380
well i mean

01:00:37.380 --> 01:00:39.280
the the service isn't

01:00:39.280 --> 01:00:40.300
going to get shut down

01:00:40.300 --> 01:00:40.720
i mean

01:00:40.720 --> 01:00:42.120
well they don't know

01:00:42.120 --> 01:00:42.780
what's going to happen

01:00:42.780 --> 01:00:43.880
it's all in the judge's

01:00:43.880 --> 01:00:45.060
hand which is kind of

01:00:45.060 --> 01:00:45.420
scary

01:00:45.420 --> 01:00:47.220
because rim released

01:00:47.220 --> 01:00:48.580
uh they released the

01:00:48.580 --> 01:00:49.400
details of their work

01:00:49.400 --> 01:00:50.740
around for the

01:00:50.740 --> 01:00:51.540
blackberry and for a

01:00:51.540 --> 01:00:52.240
long time there was a

01:00:52.240 --> 01:00:53.200
lot of speculation on

01:00:53.200 --> 01:00:54.620
it and everybody

01:00:54.620 --> 01:00:55.540
thought that it would be

01:00:55.540 --> 01:00:56.720
something that could be

01:00:56.720 --> 01:00:58.160
completely done in the

01:00:58.160 --> 01:01:01.040
um rim knock in canada

01:01:01.040 --> 01:01:03.800
and apparently it's not

01:01:03.800 --> 01:01:04.660
apparently you are going

01:01:04.660 --> 01:01:05.540
to have to update the

01:01:05.540 --> 01:01:06.300
software a little bit on

01:01:06.300 --> 01:01:08.080
your phone so i'm not

01:01:08.080 --> 01:01:08.600
sure what that's all

01:01:08.600 --> 01:01:09.260
about but it's called

01:01:09.260 --> 01:01:10.380
blackberry multi-mode

01:01:10.380 --> 01:01:12.000
edition that's what the

01:01:12.000 --> 01:01:12.980
workaround is called it's

01:01:12.980 --> 01:01:14.040
going to be obviously it's

01:01:14.040 --> 01:01:15.380
going to be loaded pre-loaded

01:01:15.380 --> 01:01:17.660
onto all new blackberries

01:01:17.660 --> 01:01:22.000
um if it gets if a court

01:01:22.000 --> 01:01:23.520
sides with ntp so what

01:01:23.520 --> 01:01:25.600
exactly is the patent that

01:01:25.600 --> 01:01:27.360
they're violating and how

01:01:27.360 --> 01:01:29.020
is it different from say the

01:01:29.020 --> 01:01:30.440
way the sidekick email works

01:01:30.440 --> 01:01:33.700
see that's what i'm not sure

01:01:33.700 --> 01:01:35.500
because i think the patents

01:01:35.500 --> 01:01:39.040
are very uh broad but i know

01:01:39.040 --> 01:01:41.200
ntp is ntp suing a lot of

01:01:41.200 --> 01:01:43.120
other companies that do email

01:01:43.120 --> 01:01:44.880
to phones too so it's not just

01:01:44.880 --> 01:01:47.300
uh rim but a lot of these

01:01:47.300 --> 01:01:48.680
companies are they're waiting

01:01:48.680 --> 01:01:50.980
for this rim case to go down

01:01:50.980 --> 01:01:52.840
before they pay but some

01:01:52.840 --> 01:01:53.660
companies have actually just

01:01:53.660 --> 01:01:54.740
paid up to their demands

01:01:54.740 --> 01:01:58.420
well the the the ntp patents

01:01:58.420 --> 01:02:00.260
are like they are very vague

01:02:00.260 --> 01:02:02.220
they're like you know uh email

01:02:02.220 --> 01:02:04.300
over rf links and i was just

01:02:04.300 --> 01:02:05.960
like my god i was doing that in

01:02:05.960 --> 01:02:08.780
like 1995 with my ham radio set

01:02:08.780 --> 01:02:10.520
see that's the thing too oh my

01:02:10.520 --> 01:02:11.460
god i'll send an email this

01:02:11.460 --> 01:02:12.720
was designed for like pagers you

01:02:12.720 --> 01:02:15.240
know this was way before way

01:02:15.240 --> 01:02:17.600
before uh well not before cell

01:02:17.600 --> 01:02:19.740
phones were i don't know this

01:02:19.740 --> 01:02:21.260
was just a long time ago this

01:02:21.260 --> 01:02:24.440
was before just everything got

01:02:24.440 --> 01:02:30.080
crazy high tech well i mean still

01:02:30.080 --> 01:02:32.120
i mean if you look at it it's

01:02:32.120 --> 01:02:34.440
like you know email over rf well

01:02:34.440 --> 01:02:35.880
yeah okay i've done email over

01:02:35.880 --> 01:02:37.080
radio before i mean i've been

01:02:37.080 --> 01:02:38.280
doing it for a while there you go

01:02:38.280 --> 01:02:42.280
past what is it fire art stifu so

01:02:42.280 --> 01:02:43.360
you were talking about how it's

01:02:43.360 --> 01:02:44.400
going they're going to try to

01:02:44.400 --> 01:02:46.040
update all the software now how

01:02:46.040 --> 01:02:49.320
hard is it to say i'm you know

01:02:49.320 --> 01:02:51.040
johnny johnny young come up at

01:02:51.040 --> 01:02:52.940
executive and i have myself a

01:02:52.940 --> 01:02:56.900
blackberry and i i need to i you

01:02:56.900 --> 01:02:59.120
know god forbid uh room loses this

01:02:59.120 --> 01:03:01.280
and my service gets shut down and i

01:03:01.280 --> 01:03:04.300
need to get this update so i mean is

01:03:04.300 --> 01:03:05.800
it just simply do i have to like

01:03:05.800 --> 01:03:08.560
take it into my authorized blackberry

01:03:08.560 --> 01:03:09.920
service dealer or take it to the

01:03:09.920 --> 01:03:11.020
cell phone store is it something

01:03:11.020 --> 01:03:13.720
that i um download off their

01:03:13.720 --> 01:03:15.180
website and i have to plug my phone

01:03:15.180 --> 01:03:16.600
into my computer or is it just

01:03:16.600 --> 01:03:17.700
something i can do completely on the

01:03:17.700 --> 01:03:19.600
phone itself yeah that's a good

01:03:19.600 --> 01:03:20.820
question that's something that i'm

01:03:20.820 --> 01:03:22.340
not really sure about that's like

01:03:22.340 --> 01:03:24.080
the one thing that's that's the one

01:03:24.080 --> 01:03:25.360
thing i'm not sure about man

01:03:25.360 --> 01:03:28.760
you're the blackberry leap master

01:03:28.760 --> 01:03:30.240
man that i mean you need to

01:03:30.240 --> 01:03:32.300
probably plug it in with be a

01:03:32.300 --> 01:03:33.840
USB cable and do a firmware upgrade

01:03:33.840 --> 01:03:37.460
that way i'm sure you can probably do

01:03:37.460 --> 01:03:38.960
the USB i would hope that it would

01:03:38.960 --> 01:03:40.440
be that if it if it's something as

01:03:40.440 --> 01:03:42.400
hardcore as it coming down to me

01:03:42.400 --> 01:03:44.560
taking it to say the verizon store

01:03:44.560 --> 01:03:45.800
and be like oh that's that's

01:03:45.800 --> 01:03:48.900
inconvenient but i would even assume

01:03:48.900 --> 01:03:49.920
that would be something along the

01:03:49.920 --> 01:03:52.600
lines of uh hey you have an update

01:03:52.600 --> 01:03:55.400
um you know you need to download this

01:03:55.400 --> 01:03:57.280
and install it and i'll have to

01:03:57.280 --> 01:03:58.500
restart your phone but other than

01:03:58.500 --> 01:04:00.300
that you're all set right that's what

01:04:00.300 --> 01:04:01.540
i was thinking i was thinking they

01:04:01.540 --> 01:04:03.660
would maybe send you an email with

01:04:03.660 --> 01:04:05.380
the link and a lot of the blackberry

01:04:05.380 --> 01:04:07.540
software can just be downloaded ota

01:04:07.540 --> 01:04:09.500
it's called over there so it might

01:04:09.500 --> 01:04:11.060
just how can they email you the email

01:04:11.060 --> 01:04:14.260
service will be down are you right

01:04:14.260 --> 01:04:14.920
well maybe

01:04:14.920 --> 01:04:20.400
maybe i don't know maybe there's another

01:04:20.400 --> 01:04:21.680
way maybe there's another way they can

01:04:21.680 --> 01:04:24.660
do it through sms no they probably can't

01:04:24.660 --> 01:04:26.920
do that huh now you're probably what

01:04:26.920 --> 01:04:31.360
i know i know with the sidekick there's

01:04:31.360 --> 01:04:33.260
a built-in over-the-ear update thing

01:04:33.260 --> 01:04:35.480
where i basically when when the new

01:04:35.480 --> 01:04:37.420
software came out i had my sidekick to

01:04:37.420 --> 01:04:40.580
for about two weeks and a window came

01:04:40.580 --> 01:04:43.500
up and said hey yeah hey you need to

01:04:43.500 --> 01:04:45.820
update um do you want to update now or

01:04:45.820 --> 01:04:46.960
do you want to remind you tomorrow you

01:04:46.960 --> 01:04:48.540
want to update in 15 minutes and i said

01:04:48.540 --> 01:04:50.040
okay we'll do it now and it it

01:04:50.040 --> 01:04:51.600
downloaded it and it said okay i need to

01:04:51.600 --> 01:04:53.480
restart now and it powered off and it

01:04:53.480 --> 01:04:54.860
powered back up when i was poof i was

01:04:54.860 --> 01:04:57.800
running the new software so it the

01:04:57.800 --> 01:04:59.700
the capability has to be there for

01:04:59.700 --> 01:05:01.100
blackberries i don't think sidekicks

01:05:01.100 --> 01:05:01.600
are the only

01:05:01.600 --> 01:05:04.000
smartphone that can actually do this

01:05:04.000 --> 01:05:07.840
yeah i know if i go i have a 4.0 os

01:05:07.840 --> 01:05:09.640
version 4.0 on my phone but if i want

01:05:09.640 --> 01:05:10.540
to upgrade to

01:05:10.540 --> 01:05:12.920
4.1 i actually have to do with the usb

01:05:12.920 --> 01:05:13.460
cable way

01:05:13.460 --> 01:05:16.680
so you might have to do something like

01:05:16.680 --> 01:05:17.360
that i'm not sure

01:05:17.360 --> 01:05:21.140
oh well i'm hoping not

01:05:21.140 --> 01:05:22.760
so

01:05:22.760 --> 01:05:25.920
so i i remember hearing the story and

01:05:25.920 --> 01:05:28.460
so apparently the u.s government

01:05:28.460 --> 01:05:31.540
uh because they all use blackberries

01:05:31.540 --> 01:05:32.680
they're getting special treatment and

01:05:32.680 --> 01:05:34.400
they're not susceptible to this patent

01:05:34.400 --> 01:05:36.340
right that's what i thought until

01:05:36.340 --> 01:05:37.740
tonight and then i was checking out

01:05:37.740 --> 01:05:40.600
in gadget mobile and uh it actually

01:05:40.600 --> 01:05:45.100
said that today the um the judge denied

01:05:45.100 --> 01:05:46.540
the government's request for that

01:05:46.540 --> 01:05:50.400
so pretty much yeah it's not just

01:05:50.400 --> 01:05:53.640
end users it's uh government users too

01:05:53.640 --> 01:05:53.920
you know

01:05:53.920 --> 01:05:54.600
silliness anyway

01:05:54.600 --> 01:05:56.360
well government users are end users

01:05:56.360 --> 01:05:57.440
who just work for the government

01:05:57.440 --> 01:05:57.960
apparently

01:05:57.960 --> 01:05:58.920
well i'm sorry

01:05:58.920 --> 01:05:59.440
they thought they were special

01:05:59.440 --> 01:06:01.280
not just consumers or business

01:06:01.280 --> 01:06:02.440
consumers

01:06:02.440 --> 01:06:04.420
it's government officials as well

01:06:04.420 --> 01:06:05.500
government consumers

01:06:05.500 --> 01:06:07.080
everybody's screwed

01:06:07.080 --> 01:06:08.280
everybody's uh

01:06:08.280 --> 01:06:10.200
waiting for friday now i think

01:06:10.200 --> 01:06:13.040
and when i was at schmoo con

01:06:13.040 --> 01:06:15.040
there were so many people from

01:06:15.040 --> 01:06:16.420
washington who just had blackberries

01:06:16.420 --> 01:06:16.740
so

01:06:16.740 --> 01:06:18.120
it was pretty cozy

01:06:18.120 --> 01:06:20.460
well i mean when i when i heard the

01:06:20.460 --> 01:06:21.300
whole you know

01:06:21.300 --> 01:06:23.040
oh government is not

01:06:23.040 --> 01:06:23.560
you know

01:06:23.560 --> 01:06:24.820
government's immune to this

01:06:24.820 --> 01:06:25.700
it doesn't matter for them

01:06:25.700 --> 01:06:26.240
i was just like

01:06:26.240 --> 01:06:27.120
what the hell

01:06:27.120 --> 01:06:27.460
i mean

01:06:27.460 --> 01:06:29.640
they're in the same boot with us

01:06:29.640 --> 01:06:30.000
so

01:06:30.000 --> 01:06:30.720
screw them

01:06:30.720 --> 01:06:31.820
you know

01:06:31.820 --> 01:06:32.540
you work for the government

01:06:32.540 --> 01:06:33.040
wonderful

01:06:33.040 --> 01:06:33.780
but

01:06:33.780 --> 01:06:35.680
i'd not only say i'd rather have the

01:06:35.680 --> 01:06:37.000
government lose all their cell phones

01:06:37.000 --> 01:06:37.940
than corporate america

01:06:37.940 --> 01:06:40.100
it's true the stock exchange

01:06:40.100 --> 01:06:41.380
will fall flat on its face

01:06:41.380 --> 01:06:41.860
if this gets

01:06:41.860 --> 01:06:44.280
turned off at like noon on friday

01:06:44.280 --> 01:06:48.020
i actually found a stockbroker's

01:06:48.020 --> 01:06:48.460
cell phone

01:06:48.460 --> 01:06:50.640
i found a stockbroker's phone

01:06:50.640 --> 01:06:51.500
in the blackberry and the

01:06:51.500 --> 01:06:52.120
lawson phone

01:06:52.120 --> 01:06:52.920
at this mountain

01:06:52.920 --> 01:06:55.260
did you keep them

01:06:55.260 --> 01:06:55.960
at my house now

01:06:55.960 --> 01:06:57.080
any good scott tips

01:06:57.080 --> 01:06:58.880
it was pretty funny actually

01:06:58.880 --> 01:07:00.000
the guy had social security

01:07:00.000 --> 01:07:01.080
numbers and passwords

01:07:01.080 --> 01:07:02.240
and logins and stuff

01:07:02.240 --> 01:07:03.720
no joke

01:07:03.720 --> 01:07:05.260
i thought that's why i took it

01:07:05.260 --> 01:07:10.440
i'm sure the guy got a new one

01:07:10.440 --> 01:07:11.420
because he's a stockbroker

01:07:11.420 --> 01:07:12.440
he'd been in the lawson sound

01:07:12.440 --> 01:07:12.920
for a while

01:07:12.920 --> 01:07:14.180
yeah you sure you want to be

01:07:14.180 --> 01:07:15.260
admitting that over the air

01:07:15.260 --> 01:07:16.840
yeah i don't care

01:07:16.840 --> 01:07:18.120
it's pretty funny

01:07:18.120 --> 01:07:19.080
hopefully the statue of

01:07:19.080 --> 01:07:20.920
temptations have run out on that

01:07:20.920 --> 01:07:22.000
um

01:07:22.000 --> 01:07:25.540
one really interesting thing

01:07:25.540 --> 01:07:26.480
about the case though

01:07:26.480 --> 01:07:26.940
was that

01:07:26.940 --> 01:07:27.600
the whole thing

01:07:27.600 --> 01:07:29.200
the whole thing was like

01:07:29.200 --> 01:07:30.080
uh delayed and

01:07:30.080 --> 01:07:31.820
it's been dragged out for so long

01:07:31.820 --> 01:07:32.200
because

01:07:32.200 --> 01:07:34.860
because rim is a canadian company

01:07:34.860 --> 01:07:35.900
and that

01:07:35.900 --> 01:07:37.040
they're also trying to claim

01:07:37.040 --> 01:07:37.920
that you know these uh

01:07:37.920 --> 01:07:39.360
they're not infringing on these

01:07:39.360 --> 01:07:39.720
talents

01:07:39.720 --> 01:07:40.680
these patents

01:07:40.680 --> 01:07:41.220
because

01:07:41.220 --> 01:07:42.340
their

01:07:42.340 --> 01:07:44.120
their knock is in canada

01:07:44.120 --> 01:07:44.940
you know with all the

01:07:44.940 --> 01:07:45.720
all the software

01:07:45.720 --> 01:07:46.440
on it

01:07:46.440 --> 01:07:47.120
that

01:07:47.120 --> 01:07:48.060
they're claiming

01:07:48.060 --> 01:07:48.680
uh

01:07:48.680 --> 01:07:50.140
is being infringed upon

01:07:50.140 --> 01:07:50.480
you know

01:07:50.480 --> 01:07:52.220
but because it's deployed

01:07:52.220 --> 01:07:53.340
in the u.s. as well

01:07:53.340 --> 01:07:55.500
so they ruled against that

01:07:55.500 --> 01:07:58.260
that's interesting

01:07:58.260 --> 01:07:58.620
because

01:07:58.620 --> 01:08:00.960
honestly i actually think

01:08:00.960 --> 01:08:01.680
that's the uh

01:08:01.680 --> 01:08:02.300
the best

01:08:02.300 --> 01:08:03.640
that was a very interesting

01:08:03.640 --> 01:08:04.440
tack and that actually

01:08:04.440 --> 01:08:05.160
makes no sense

01:08:05.160 --> 01:08:05.860
out of a lot of things

01:08:05.860 --> 01:08:06.820
but i guess the judge

01:08:06.820 --> 01:08:07.640
doesn't see it that way

01:08:07.640 --> 01:08:09.640
okay so

01:08:09.640 --> 01:08:10.600
so it's friday

01:08:10.600 --> 01:08:11.240
and

01:08:11.240 --> 01:08:12.720
we'll play a hypothetical

01:08:12.720 --> 01:08:13.560
situation here

01:08:13.560 --> 01:08:14.160
it's friday

01:08:14.160 --> 01:08:15.320
you're

01:08:15.320 --> 01:08:16.220
you're mowing along

01:08:16.220 --> 01:08:16.660
and all of a sudden

01:08:16.660 --> 01:08:17.660
you turn on cnn

01:08:17.660 --> 01:08:18.900
and

01:08:18.900 --> 01:08:19.800
it's like 1155

01:08:19.800 --> 01:08:21.500
and they say

01:08:21.500 --> 01:08:21.820
okay

01:08:21.820 --> 01:08:22.760
well apparently

01:08:22.760 --> 01:08:23.920
rim lost the case

01:08:23.920 --> 01:08:25.300
and the blackberry service

01:08:25.300 --> 01:08:26.340
will be shut down

01:08:26.340 --> 01:08:27.300
on

01:08:27.300 --> 01:08:28.020
in five minutes

01:08:28.020 --> 01:08:28.300
so

01:08:28.300 --> 01:08:28.540
so

01:08:28.540 --> 01:08:28.900
so

01:08:28.900 --> 01:08:30.200
do you have like your

01:08:30.200 --> 01:08:32.260
your emergency email set up

01:08:32.260 --> 01:08:32.680
and

01:08:32.680 --> 01:08:33.520
like

01:08:33.520 --> 01:08:34.500
you're like

01:08:34.500 --> 01:08:35.960
emergency sidekick

01:08:35.960 --> 01:08:36.420
or something

01:08:36.420 --> 01:08:36.700
or

01:08:36.700 --> 01:08:38.100
like a small laptop

01:08:38.100 --> 01:08:39.380
you can put all your email on

01:08:39.380 --> 01:08:41.580
no

01:08:41.580 --> 01:08:42.480
uh

01:08:42.480 --> 01:08:43.420
pretty much i get everything

01:08:43.420 --> 01:08:44.940
just forwarded to my phone

01:08:44.940 --> 01:08:46.140
i mean it goes to gmail

01:08:46.140 --> 01:08:47.080
and it forwards to my phone

01:08:47.080 --> 01:08:48.120
that's how i have it set up

01:08:48.120 --> 01:08:49.560
but for business users

01:08:49.560 --> 01:08:51.000
it'd obviously be a little different

01:08:51.000 --> 01:08:53.140
because it's usually tied into their um

01:08:53.140 --> 01:08:54.720
their email servers

01:08:54.720 --> 01:08:56.280
doesn't rim get like 30 days

01:08:56.280 --> 01:08:57.320
to shut it down or something

01:08:57.320 --> 01:08:59.260
right

01:08:59.260 --> 01:09:00.100
that's the thing too

01:09:00.100 --> 01:09:00.320
is

01:09:00.320 --> 01:09:01.960
they're not going to have to do it right away

01:09:01.960 --> 01:09:02.780
i don't think

01:09:02.780 --> 01:09:03.360
i think

01:09:03.360 --> 01:09:04.520
it would be 30 days

01:09:04.520 --> 01:09:05.240
or 60 days

01:09:05.240 --> 01:09:05.840
or 90 days

01:09:05.840 --> 01:09:06.800
something like that

01:09:06.800 --> 01:09:07.360
all right

01:09:07.360 --> 01:09:08.660
well that would make the most sense

01:09:08.660 --> 01:09:09.000
but i was

01:09:09.000 --> 01:09:10.760
i was doing like a disaster scenario

01:09:10.760 --> 01:09:12.040
i'm curious

01:09:12.040 --> 01:09:12.960
sounds pretty bad

01:09:12.960 --> 01:09:13.520
yeah

01:09:13.520 --> 01:09:14.320
seriously

01:09:14.320 --> 01:09:14.880
someone should

01:09:14.880 --> 01:09:16.380
what someone should do

01:09:16.380 --> 01:09:17.300
is like

01:09:17.300 --> 01:09:19.060
make a clone of the ready.gov

01:09:19.060 --> 01:09:19.860
website

01:09:19.860 --> 01:09:20.800
and like

01:09:20.800 --> 01:09:21.680
gear it all toward

01:09:21.680 --> 01:09:22.240
blackberries

01:09:22.240 --> 01:09:25.380
what

01:09:25.380 --> 01:09:27.160
are you ready for a blackberry

01:09:27.160 --> 01:09:28.960
i can see the wall street journal now

01:09:28.960 --> 01:09:31.240
like massive corporate problems

01:09:31.240 --> 01:09:32.980
as millions go through

01:09:32.980 --> 01:09:33.400
withdrawal

01:09:33.400 --> 01:09:34.980
withdrawal symptoms

01:09:34.980 --> 01:09:35.940
from their crackberries

01:09:35.940 --> 01:09:39.000
did you see that

01:09:39.000 --> 01:09:40.720
there was some pretty funny stuff

01:09:40.720 --> 01:09:41.900
posted online recently

01:09:41.900 --> 01:09:43.160
about what users

01:09:43.160 --> 01:09:43.460
are going to

01:09:43.460 --> 01:09:44.520
what's going to happen to users

01:09:44.520 --> 01:09:44.940
if

01:09:44.940 --> 01:09:47.200
if they have to give up their crackberries

01:09:47.200 --> 01:09:48.040
and stuff like that

01:09:48.040 --> 01:09:49.500
that's pretty funny

01:09:49.500 --> 01:09:50.680
it was like

01:09:50.680 --> 01:09:51.960
they'll start using their thumbs

01:09:51.960 --> 01:09:53.400
on their keyboards

01:09:53.400 --> 01:09:54.440
and start bashing them

01:09:54.440 --> 01:09:55.460
in the keyboards

01:09:55.460 --> 01:09:56.080
and stuff like that

01:09:56.080 --> 01:09:57.120
i've just got to see

01:09:57.120 --> 01:09:57.840
image now

01:09:57.840 --> 01:09:58.780
of someone so desperate

01:09:58.780 --> 01:09:59.680
that they're walking around

01:09:59.680 --> 01:10:01.080
with like a bunch of

01:10:01.080 --> 01:10:02.060
real blackberries

01:10:02.060 --> 01:10:02.900
clipped to their belt

01:10:02.900 --> 01:10:04.880
the actual fruit

01:10:04.880 --> 01:10:05.800
they're just like

01:10:05.800 --> 01:10:06.700
desperately praying

01:10:06.700 --> 01:10:07.240
that that

01:10:07.240 --> 01:10:08.180
that will serve

01:10:08.180 --> 01:10:08.740
as some sort of

01:10:08.740 --> 01:10:09.140
replacement

01:10:09.140 --> 01:10:09.840
in name only

01:10:09.840 --> 01:10:13.840
it's going to be

01:10:13.840 --> 01:10:14.620
a sad day though

01:10:14.620 --> 01:10:15.200
if Paris Hilton

01:10:15.200 --> 01:10:16.460
can't use her blackberry

01:10:16.460 --> 01:10:18.080
oh Paris Hilton

01:10:18.080 --> 01:10:19.000
has a blackberry now

01:10:19.000 --> 01:10:20.380
yeah she does now

01:10:20.380 --> 01:10:21.940
she left her sidekick

01:10:21.940 --> 01:10:22.840
went back to

01:10:22.840 --> 01:10:23.540
she went to the

01:10:23.540 --> 01:10:24.260
blackberry

01:10:24.260 --> 01:10:27.480
8700C

01:10:27.480 --> 01:10:28.840
it's the new

01:10:28.840 --> 01:10:29.800
singular one

01:10:29.800 --> 01:10:30.780
that has edge

01:10:30.780 --> 01:10:33.160
it's edge capable

01:10:33.160 --> 01:10:33.880
so it's supposed to be

01:10:33.880 --> 01:10:34.140
lead

01:10:34.140 --> 01:10:35.680
oh she should get

01:10:35.680 --> 01:10:36.300
EVDO

01:10:36.300 --> 01:10:37.600
EVDO is faster than edge

01:10:37.600 --> 01:10:38.980
someone should call her up

01:10:38.980 --> 01:10:39.500
where's lucky

01:10:39.500 --> 01:10:41.960
but it's funny

01:10:41.960 --> 01:10:42.840
because she actually

01:10:42.840 --> 01:10:43.720
had a blackberry

01:10:43.720 --> 01:10:44.420
before she switched

01:10:44.420 --> 01:10:45.140
to her sidekick

01:10:45.140 --> 01:10:46.320
but uh

01:10:46.320 --> 01:10:46.900
guess what happened

01:10:46.900 --> 01:10:47.540
to the blackberry

01:10:47.540 --> 01:10:48.620
what

01:10:48.620 --> 01:10:49.760
it got hacked

01:10:49.760 --> 01:10:52.600
people were reading

01:10:52.600 --> 01:10:53.040
her email

01:10:53.040 --> 01:10:53.740
so she switched

01:10:53.740 --> 01:10:54.460
to the sidekick

01:10:54.460 --> 01:10:56.240
well thankfully

01:10:56.240 --> 01:10:56.700
I don't think

01:10:56.700 --> 01:10:57.260
I don't think

01:10:57.260 --> 01:10:58.220
the blackberry

01:10:58.220 --> 01:10:58.780
has a

01:10:58.780 --> 01:11:00.840
camera on it

01:11:00.840 --> 01:11:01.300
so I think

01:11:01.300 --> 01:11:01.720
she's safe

01:11:01.720 --> 01:11:02.000
in at least

01:11:02.000 --> 01:11:02.580
one regard

01:11:02.580 --> 01:11:03.480
yeah

01:11:03.480 --> 01:11:04.760
for sure

01:11:04.760 --> 01:11:05.940
no more

01:11:05.940 --> 01:11:06.580
no more hot

01:11:06.580 --> 01:11:07.780
lesbian sex

01:11:07.780 --> 01:11:08.420
or pictures

01:11:08.420 --> 01:11:09.840
I hope the judge

01:11:09.840 --> 01:11:10.320
is picturing

01:11:10.320 --> 01:11:10.860
Paris Hilton

01:11:10.860 --> 01:11:11.240
when he's

01:11:11.240 --> 01:11:12.680
making his decision

01:11:12.680 --> 01:11:13.080
yeah

01:11:13.080 --> 01:11:14.760
just you know

01:11:14.760 --> 01:11:15.680
what about Paris

01:11:15.680 --> 01:11:16.100
you should get

01:11:16.100 --> 01:11:17.080
like Suzanne Struthers

01:11:17.080 --> 01:11:17.460
over there

01:11:17.460 --> 01:11:17.680
saying

01:11:17.680 --> 01:11:19.060
what about Paris

01:11:19.060 --> 01:11:21.380
and other celebrities

01:11:21.380 --> 01:11:22.960
I assume

01:11:22.960 --> 01:11:23.620
Lindsay Lohan

01:11:23.620 --> 01:11:24.060
is still using

01:11:24.060 --> 01:11:24.620
her sidekick

01:11:24.620 --> 01:11:25.980
yeah

01:11:25.980 --> 01:11:28.320
maybe if Lindsay

01:11:28.320 --> 01:11:28.820
switches

01:11:28.820 --> 01:11:31.200
yeah there we go

01:11:31.200 --> 01:11:32.760
I don't have

01:11:32.760 --> 01:11:33.540
enough star power

01:11:33.540 --> 01:11:34.360
behind it

01:11:34.360 --> 01:11:36.800
so are you

01:11:36.800 --> 01:11:37.120
going to like

01:11:37.120 --> 01:11:37.740
grab like a trio

01:11:37.740 --> 01:11:38.420
now if this

01:11:38.420 --> 01:11:38.800
does you know

01:11:38.800 --> 01:11:39.640
everything goes down

01:11:39.640 --> 01:11:40.160
and the service

01:11:40.160 --> 01:11:40.760
starts to suck

01:11:40.760 --> 01:11:42.240
you know honestly

01:11:42.240 --> 01:11:42.680
I don't know

01:11:42.680 --> 01:11:43.400
what I'm going to do

01:11:43.400 --> 01:11:44.520
I have

01:11:44.520 --> 01:11:45.220
I mean

01:11:45.220 --> 01:11:46.480
if it completely

01:11:46.480 --> 01:11:47.060
gets shut down

01:11:47.060 --> 01:11:48.120
I have 30 days

01:11:48.120 --> 01:11:49.340
I don't know

01:11:49.340 --> 01:11:50.460
what I'm going to do

01:11:50.460 --> 01:11:50.900
and I don't know

01:11:50.900 --> 01:11:51.320
if I get

01:11:51.320 --> 01:11:51.960
I don't know

01:11:51.960 --> 01:11:52.420
if I actually

01:11:52.420 --> 01:11:53.700
get to do anything

01:11:53.700 --> 01:11:54.300
with like

01:11:54.300 --> 01:11:55.840
my Blackberry

01:11:55.840 --> 01:11:56.380
that I have now

01:11:56.380 --> 01:11:56.980
I don't know

01:11:56.980 --> 01:11:57.320
if I can

01:11:57.320 --> 01:11:57.920
turn it into

01:11:57.920 --> 01:11:58.340
Verizon

01:11:58.340 --> 01:11:58.880
and they'll

01:11:58.880 --> 01:12:00.260
give me a new one

01:12:00.260 --> 01:12:00.800
or they'll give me

01:12:00.800 --> 01:12:01.940
like a trio

01:12:01.940 --> 01:12:03.520
or they'll give me

01:12:03.520 --> 01:12:04.300
credit or something

01:12:04.300 --> 01:12:05.700
so that's going

01:12:05.700 --> 01:12:06.340
to be something too

01:12:06.340 --> 01:12:06.540
you know

01:12:06.540 --> 01:12:06.980
if everybody

01:12:06.980 --> 01:12:08.720
if you don't

01:12:08.720 --> 01:12:09.640
get anything back

01:12:09.640 --> 01:12:10.420
but you just

01:12:10.420 --> 01:12:11.140
lose everything

01:12:11.140 --> 01:12:12.440
you lose your service

01:12:12.440 --> 01:12:14.200
I don't want

01:12:14.200 --> 01:12:14.620
to go out

01:12:14.620 --> 01:12:15.160
and pay like

01:12:15.160 --> 01:12:16.100
four or five

01:12:16.100 --> 01:12:16.500
hundred dollars

01:12:16.500 --> 01:12:16.940
for a trio

01:12:16.940 --> 01:12:17.280
really

01:12:17.280 --> 01:12:21.240
I would probably

01:12:21.240 --> 01:12:22.540
I don't know

01:12:22.540 --> 01:12:23.200
I'm really into

01:12:23.200 --> 01:12:23.880
the email now

01:12:23.880 --> 01:12:24.160
man

01:12:24.160 --> 01:12:25.660
I would probably

01:12:25.660 --> 01:12:27.540
get a trio

01:12:27.540 --> 01:12:27.880
maybe

01:12:27.880 --> 01:12:28.600
I still love

01:12:28.600 --> 01:12:29.200
my sidekick

01:12:29.200 --> 01:12:32.180
well someone

01:12:32.180 --> 01:12:32.660
that I know

01:12:32.660 --> 01:12:33.180
someone that

01:12:33.180 --> 01:12:33.740
Mattis and I

01:12:33.740 --> 01:12:34.300
actually we all

01:12:34.300 --> 01:12:34.480
know

01:12:34.480 --> 01:12:35.120
has recently

01:12:35.120 --> 01:12:36.080
got a trio

01:12:36.080 --> 01:12:36.680
and he says

01:12:36.680 --> 01:12:36.960
that

01:12:36.960 --> 01:12:37.800
I mean

01:12:37.800 --> 01:12:38.380
he thinks

01:12:38.380 --> 01:12:38.900
it's okay

01:12:38.900 --> 01:12:39.560
but he's

01:12:39.560 --> 01:12:40.000
really not

01:12:40.000 --> 01:12:40.700
impressed with it

01:12:40.700 --> 01:12:41.400
he says

01:12:41.400 --> 01:12:41.660
it's like

01:12:41.660 --> 01:12:42.080
locked up

01:12:42.080 --> 01:12:43.320
every other day

01:12:43.320 --> 01:12:43.820
well I heard

01:12:43.820 --> 01:12:45.320
he has a trio

01:12:45.320 --> 01:12:45.960
and he

01:12:45.960 --> 01:12:46.340
you know

01:12:46.340 --> 01:12:46.720
he's

01:12:46.720 --> 01:12:49.020
he's also

01:12:49.020 --> 01:12:49.420
not that

01:12:49.420 --> 01:12:50.200
impressed with it

01:12:50.200 --> 01:12:52.960
I haven't

01:12:52.960 --> 01:12:53.440
ever liked

01:12:53.440 --> 01:12:53.820
them because

01:12:53.820 --> 01:12:54.280
honestly

01:12:54.280 --> 01:12:55.600
I'm dropping

01:12:55.600 --> 01:12:56.140
names again

01:12:56.140 --> 01:12:56.660
but Mitnick

01:12:56.660 --> 01:12:57.260
and Darcy

01:12:57.260 --> 01:12:57.720
are the ones

01:12:57.720 --> 01:12:58.080
who told me

01:12:58.080 --> 01:12:58.440
that they didn't

01:12:58.440 --> 01:12:58.960
like theirs

01:12:58.960 --> 01:12:59.940
they were the

01:12:59.940 --> 01:13:00.300
only people

01:13:00.300 --> 01:13:00.740
I knew

01:13:00.740 --> 01:13:01.240
who had

01:13:01.240 --> 01:13:02.580
the palm

01:13:02.580 --> 01:13:03.180
the trios

01:13:03.180 --> 01:13:03.440
I think

01:13:03.440 --> 01:13:04.080
it was a 600

01:13:04.080 --> 01:13:05.820
and they said

01:13:05.820 --> 01:13:06.480
the thing sucked

01:13:06.480 --> 01:13:07.060
they said that

01:13:07.060 --> 01:13:07.700
it kept making

01:13:07.700 --> 01:13:08.480
this humming noise

01:13:08.480 --> 01:13:09.300
in like your ear

01:13:09.300 --> 01:13:11.100
and it just

01:13:11.100 --> 01:13:11.720
wasn't that good

01:13:11.720 --> 01:13:12.180
and I didn't like

01:13:12.180 --> 01:13:12.920
the form factor

01:13:12.920 --> 01:13:13.440
as much either

01:13:13.440 --> 01:13:13.860
it was a little

01:13:13.860 --> 01:13:14.360
too big

01:13:14.360 --> 01:13:15.000
but I think

01:13:15.000 --> 01:13:15.480
they slimmed

01:13:15.480 --> 01:13:15.900
down a little

01:13:15.900 --> 01:13:16.200
now

01:13:16.200 --> 01:13:16.980
yes they did

01:13:16.980 --> 01:13:17.900
my friend

01:13:17.900 --> 01:13:19.400
had a 650

01:13:19.400 --> 01:13:20.100
I think

01:13:20.100 --> 01:13:20.400
yes

01:13:20.400 --> 01:13:22.660
and actually

01:13:22.660 --> 01:13:23.500
a couple of my

01:13:23.500 --> 01:13:24.260
friends have a 650

01:13:24.260 --> 01:13:24.920
now apparently

01:13:24.920 --> 01:13:28.420
and one of the

01:13:28.420 --> 01:13:29.420
650s had this

01:13:29.420 --> 01:13:30.300
very interesting

01:13:30.300 --> 01:13:30.560
thing

01:13:30.560 --> 01:13:31.780
it broke

01:13:31.780 --> 01:13:32.560
and it just

01:13:32.560 --> 01:13:34.020
had this yellow

01:13:34.020 --> 01:13:34.940
splotch in the

01:13:34.940 --> 01:13:35.360
center of the

01:13:35.360 --> 01:13:35.600
screen

01:13:35.600 --> 01:13:36.420
and nothing

01:13:36.420 --> 01:13:36.980
got updated

01:13:36.980 --> 01:13:37.320
on it

01:13:37.320 --> 01:13:38.300
it was very

01:13:38.300 --> 01:13:38.700
weird

01:13:38.700 --> 01:13:41.040
he lived with it

01:13:41.040 --> 01:13:42.100
he was just like

01:13:42.100 --> 01:13:43.240
dude I need my

01:13:43.240 --> 01:13:43.600
cell phone

01:13:43.600 --> 01:13:44.280
I can't send

01:13:44.280 --> 01:13:44.780
this in for

01:13:44.780 --> 01:13:45.180
repair

01:13:45.180 --> 01:13:46.420
because he was

01:13:46.420 --> 01:13:46.960
very much

01:13:46.960 --> 01:13:47.340
like

01:13:47.340 --> 01:13:48.740
he was like

01:13:48.740 --> 01:13:50.680
international man

01:13:50.680 --> 01:13:51.060
of mystery

01:13:51.060 --> 01:13:51.400
he was going

01:13:51.400 --> 01:13:52.000
over to Europe

01:13:52.000 --> 01:13:52.340
and he was

01:13:52.340 --> 01:13:53.040
going over to

01:13:53.040 --> 01:13:55.020
all these

01:13:55.020 --> 01:13:55.880
training conferences

01:13:55.880 --> 01:13:56.620
basically he

01:13:56.620 --> 01:13:57.180
trained people

01:13:57.180 --> 01:13:57.740
in software

01:13:57.740 --> 01:13:58.780
and he said

01:13:58.780 --> 01:13:59.620
I just need

01:13:59.620 --> 01:13:59.820
this

01:13:59.820 --> 01:14:00.140
I'll just

01:14:00.140 --> 01:14:00.560
deal with

01:14:00.560 --> 01:14:01.040
it

01:14:01.040 --> 01:14:03.200
and so

01:14:03.200 --> 01:14:03.980
he sent

01:14:03.980 --> 01:14:04.240
it in

01:14:04.240 --> 01:14:04.480
and he got

01:14:04.480 --> 01:14:04.720
a new

01:14:04.720 --> 01:14:04.960
one

01:14:04.960 --> 01:14:05.520
when he

01:14:05.520 --> 01:14:06.160
was settled

01:14:06.160 --> 01:14:06.420
down

01:14:06.420 --> 01:14:06.960
for a while

01:14:06.960 --> 01:14:08.920
but another

01:14:08.920 --> 01:14:09.280
friend of

01:14:09.280 --> 01:14:09.560
mine

01:14:09.560 --> 01:14:10.100
actually

01:14:10.100 --> 01:14:14.600
got a

01:14:14.600 --> 01:14:15.140
652

01:14:15.140 --> 01:14:15.420
and he

01:14:15.420 --> 01:14:15.840
says it's

01:14:15.840 --> 01:14:16.140
okay

01:14:16.140 --> 01:14:17.920
he listens

01:14:17.920 --> 01:14:18.560
to the radio

01:14:18.560 --> 01:14:19.100
show on it

01:14:19.100 --> 01:14:20.200
which I find

01:14:20.200 --> 01:14:20.600
amusing

01:14:20.600 --> 01:14:21.880
that's cool

01:14:21.880 --> 01:14:22.700
I'm glad

01:14:22.700 --> 01:14:23.000
that they're

01:14:23.000 --> 01:14:23.200
not

01:14:23.200 --> 01:14:23.560
I'm glad

01:14:23.560 --> 01:14:23.840
that the

01:14:23.840 --> 01:14:24.580
700W

01:14:24.580 --> 01:14:25.060
uses

01:14:25.060 --> 01:14:26.200
Windows

01:14:26.200 --> 01:14:27.000
Mobile

01:14:27.000 --> 01:14:27.520
and not

01:14:27.520 --> 01:14:27.820
Palm

01:14:27.820 --> 01:14:28.060
I'm not

01:14:28.060 --> 01:14:28.360
really into

01:14:28.360 --> 01:14:29.100
the Palm OS

01:14:29.100 --> 01:14:31.320
neither am I

01:14:31.320 --> 01:14:31.580
I mean

01:14:31.580 --> 01:14:32.100
Windows Mobile

01:14:32.100 --> 01:14:33.280
everyone knows

01:14:33.280 --> 01:14:34.140
my outlook

01:14:34.140 --> 01:14:34.560
on Windows

01:14:34.560 --> 01:14:34.820
Mobile

01:14:34.820 --> 01:14:35.340
so we'll

01:14:35.340 --> 01:14:35.680
just sort

01:14:35.680 --> 01:14:35.980
of stop

01:14:35.980 --> 01:14:36.200
it there

01:14:36.200 --> 01:14:36.560
I like

01:14:36.560 --> 01:14:36.700
it

01:14:36.700 --> 01:14:37.240
I want

01:14:37.240 --> 01:14:37.400
to get

01:14:37.400 --> 01:14:38.140
a 700W

01:14:38.140 --> 01:14:41.140
700W

01:14:41.140 --> 01:14:41.580
Elite

01:14:41.580 --> 01:14:42.600
all that

01:14:42.600 --> 01:14:42.920
stuff

01:14:42.920 --> 01:14:43.260
blah blah

01:14:43.260 --> 01:14:43.400
blah

01:14:43.400 --> 01:14:45.520
I just

01:14:45.520 --> 01:14:45.900
don't like

01:14:45.900 --> 01:14:46.240
on the

01:14:46.240 --> 01:14:46.860
700W

01:14:46.860 --> 01:14:47.080
do you

01:14:47.080 --> 01:14:47.400
still have

01:14:47.400 --> 01:14:47.760
to use

01:14:47.760 --> 01:14:48.200
the little

01:14:48.200 --> 01:14:49.640
stylus

01:14:49.640 --> 01:14:51.560
I don't

01:14:51.560 --> 01:14:51.900
think so

01:14:51.900 --> 01:14:52.160
no

01:14:52.160 --> 01:14:53.380
is it

01:14:53.380 --> 01:14:53.600
is it

01:14:53.600 --> 01:14:53.780
something

01:14:53.780 --> 01:14:54.100
like the

01:14:54.100 --> 01:14:54.500
Blackberry

01:14:54.500 --> 01:14:54.780
where you

01:14:54.780 --> 01:14:55.460
can navigate

01:14:55.460 --> 01:14:56.140
you can go

01:14:56.140 --> 01:14:56.440
like up

01:14:56.440 --> 01:14:56.860
and down

01:14:56.860 --> 01:14:57.940
and stuff

01:14:57.940 --> 01:14:58.280
like that

01:14:58.280 --> 01:14:58.560
with like

01:14:58.560 --> 01:14:58.940
a wheel

01:14:58.940 --> 01:15:00.820
I think so

01:15:00.820 --> 01:15:02.740
it has a

01:15:02.740 --> 01:15:03.040
thing in the

01:15:03.040 --> 01:15:03.280
center

01:15:03.280 --> 01:15:03.580
actually

01:15:03.580 --> 01:15:03.840
that you

01:15:03.840 --> 01:15:03.920
use

01:15:03.920 --> 01:15:04.620
doesn't it

01:15:04.620 --> 01:15:04.900
yeah I

01:15:04.900 --> 01:15:05.060
think it

01:15:05.060 --> 01:15:05.300
has like

01:15:05.300 --> 01:15:05.580
sort of

01:15:05.580 --> 01:15:06.020
a joystick

01:15:06.020 --> 01:15:07.180
yeah yeah

01:15:07.180 --> 01:15:07.480
okay

01:15:07.480 --> 01:15:08.260
so that was

01:15:08.260 --> 01:15:08.580
one thing

01:15:08.580 --> 01:15:08.860
that was

01:15:08.860 --> 01:15:09.120
the old

01:15:09.120 --> 01:15:09.340
one

01:15:09.340 --> 01:15:09.800
like the

01:15:09.800 --> 01:15:10.100
600

01:15:10.100 --> 01:15:10.540
I think

01:15:10.540 --> 01:15:10.720
where you

01:15:10.720 --> 01:15:10.920
had to

01:15:10.920 --> 01:15:11.020
use

01:15:11.020 --> 01:15:11.500
a stylus

01:15:11.500 --> 01:15:11.760
still

01:15:11.760 --> 01:15:12.320
I'm not

01:15:12.320 --> 01:15:12.460
into

01:15:12.460 --> 01:15:12.740
phones

01:15:12.740 --> 01:15:13.060
like that

01:15:13.060 --> 01:15:13.200
where you

01:15:13.200 --> 01:15:13.400
have to

01:15:13.400 --> 01:15:14.380
two-handed

01:15:14.380 --> 01:15:14.820
dialing

01:15:14.820 --> 01:15:15.380
I like

01:15:15.380 --> 01:15:15.540
the

01:15:15.540 --> 01:15:15.960
stylus

01:15:15.960 --> 01:15:18.160
I really

01:15:18.160 --> 01:15:18.520
don't like

01:15:18.520 --> 01:15:18.740
it

01:15:18.740 --> 01:15:20.080
that's one

01:15:20.080 --> 01:15:20.200
of the

01:15:20.200 --> 01:15:20.480
things I

01:15:20.480 --> 01:15:20.800
like about

01:15:20.800 --> 01:15:21.300
the Blackberry

01:15:21.300 --> 01:15:21.620
is just

01:15:21.620 --> 01:15:21.940
the thumb

01:15:21.940 --> 01:15:22.360
the wheel

01:15:22.360 --> 01:15:26.620
I don't

01:15:26.620 --> 01:15:26.840
know I

01:15:26.840 --> 01:15:27.140
like my

01:15:27.140 --> 01:15:27.360
sidekick

01:15:27.360 --> 01:15:27.940
yeah I

01:15:27.940 --> 01:15:28.600
quite like

01:15:28.600 --> 01:15:28.920
mine

01:15:28.920 --> 01:15:31.800
I like

01:15:31.800 --> 01:15:32.080
them but

01:15:32.080 --> 01:15:32.440
it's just

01:15:32.440 --> 01:15:33.440
the Blackberry

01:15:33.440 --> 01:15:33.860
has a better

01:15:33.860 --> 01:15:34.440
form factor

01:15:34.440 --> 01:15:34.840
I think it

01:15:34.840 --> 01:15:35.280
fits in your

01:15:35.280 --> 01:15:35.660
pocket

01:15:35.660 --> 01:15:37.180
yeah I

01:15:37.180 --> 01:15:37.440
don't know

01:15:37.440 --> 01:15:39.200
yeah I

01:15:39.200 --> 01:15:39.600
will give you

01:15:39.600 --> 01:15:39.900
that

01:15:39.900 --> 01:15:40.980
that's one

01:15:40.980 --> 01:15:41.480
thing I

01:15:41.480 --> 01:15:42.180
would probably

01:15:42.180 --> 01:15:42.860
keep it just

01:15:42.860 --> 01:15:43.460
for a phone

01:15:43.460 --> 01:15:44.420
just because I

01:15:44.420 --> 01:15:44.880
really like the

01:15:44.880 --> 01:15:45.360
form factor

01:15:45.360 --> 01:15:45.780
I like it

01:15:45.780 --> 01:15:46.460
when I

01:15:46.460 --> 01:15:47.040
have it in

01:15:47.040 --> 01:15:47.420
my pocket

01:15:47.420 --> 01:15:47.920
it's not

01:15:47.920 --> 01:15:48.680
like a

01:15:48.680 --> 01:15:49.160
flip phone

01:15:49.160 --> 01:15:49.480
where it's

01:15:49.480 --> 01:15:49.720
super

01:15:49.720 --> 01:15:51.200
deep

01:15:51.200 --> 01:15:52.660
it's really

01:15:52.660 --> 01:15:53.400
fun at

01:15:53.400 --> 01:15:53.640
least

01:15:53.640 --> 01:15:54.480
I would

01:15:54.480 --> 01:15:54.780
probably get

01:15:54.780 --> 01:15:55.160
a razor

01:15:55.160 --> 01:15:55.700
actually to

01:15:55.700 --> 01:15:56.000
tell you the

01:15:56.000 --> 01:15:56.280
truth

01:15:56.280 --> 01:15:57.400
if I had

01:15:57.400 --> 01:15:57.860
to get

01:15:57.860 --> 01:15:58.120
something

01:15:58.120 --> 01:15:58.320
I would

01:15:58.320 --> 01:15:58.800
try that

01:15:58.800 --> 01:15:59.520
I'm not

01:15:59.520 --> 01:15:59.860
too

01:15:59.860 --> 01:16:01.140
thrilled with

01:16:01.140 --> 01:16:01.460
the form

01:16:01.460 --> 01:16:01.900
factor on

01:16:01.900 --> 01:16:02.140
that one

01:16:02.140 --> 01:16:02.380
it's like

01:16:02.380 --> 01:16:03.080
the hinge

01:16:03.080 --> 01:16:03.480
keeps

01:16:03.480 --> 01:16:05.740
in the way

01:16:05.740 --> 01:16:08.240
I'd be

01:16:08.240 --> 01:16:08.800
afraid I'd

01:16:08.800 --> 01:16:09.160
break it

01:16:09.160 --> 01:16:09.520
it's too

01:16:09.520 --> 01:16:10.180
damn small

01:16:10.180 --> 01:16:11.500
yeah

01:16:11.500 --> 01:16:12.220
I don't

01:16:12.220 --> 01:16:12.460
like

01:16:12.460 --> 01:16:12.860
I like

01:16:12.860 --> 01:16:14.100
QWVRTY

01:16:14.100 --> 01:16:15.220
keyboard

01:16:15.220 --> 01:16:15.580
on my

01:16:15.580 --> 01:16:15.800
phone

01:16:15.800 --> 01:16:16.140
now

01:16:16.140 --> 01:16:17.440
QWERTY

01:16:17.440 --> 01:16:18.440
yeah

01:16:18.440 --> 01:16:20.620
I'm totally

01:16:20.620 --> 01:16:21.020
digging a

01:16:21.020 --> 01:16:21.560
keyboard form

01:16:21.560 --> 01:16:21.840
vector

01:16:21.840 --> 01:16:23.000
that is

01:16:23.000 --> 01:16:23.460
something that

01:16:23.460 --> 01:16:23.780
I want to

01:16:23.780 --> 01:16:24.080
get on my

01:16:24.080 --> 01:16:24.520
next phone

01:16:24.520 --> 01:16:26.420
it's just

01:16:26.420 --> 01:16:26.800
one of those

01:16:26.800 --> 01:16:27.180
things

01:16:27.180 --> 01:16:29.760
I think in a

01:16:29.760 --> 01:16:30.300
future episode

01:16:30.300 --> 01:16:30.680
we're going to

01:16:30.680 --> 01:16:31.020
have to get

01:16:31.020 --> 01:16:31.220
you

01:16:31.220 --> 01:16:31.460
we're going to

01:16:31.460 --> 01:16:31.700
have to get

01:16:31.700 --> 01:16:32.320
Not Theory on

01:16:32.320 --> 01:16:32.600
here

01:16:32.600 --> 01:16:34.220
and you know

01:16:34.220 --> 01:16:34.600
Strom

01:16:34.600 --> 01:16:36.100
maybe myself

01:16:36.100 --> 01:16:36.820
and then someone

01:16:36.820 --> 01:16:37.240
else and we'll

01:16:37.240 --> 01:16:37.740
just have a

01:16:37.740 --> 01:16:39.840
steel cage

01:16:39.840 --> 01:16:40.500
grudge match

01:16:40.500 --> 01:16:41.320
oh cell phones

01:16:41.320 --> 01:16:41.700
and we'll just

01:16:41.700 --> 01:16:42.600
say your cell phone

01:16:42.600 --> 01:16:42.920
sucks

01:16:42.920 --> 01:16:43.740
no your cell phone

01:16:43.740 --> 01:16:44.180
sucks

01:16:44.180 --> 01:16:48.260
Not Theory

01:16:48.260 --> 01:16:48.960
just ran about

01:16:48.960 --> 01:16:49.480
the sidekick

01:16:49.480 --> 01:16:50.780
the whole time

01:16:50.780 --> 01:16:51.380
oh god

01:16:51.380 --> 01:16:52.720
that'd be just

01:16:52.720 --> 01:16:53.260
half the fun

01:16:53.260 --> 01:16:54.280
right there

01:16:54.280 --> 01:16:55.420
oh my god

01:16:55.420 --> 01:16:56.780
it's nuts

01:16:56.780 --> 01:17:01.020
spin rev phone

01:17:01.020 --> 01:17:01.660
grudge match

01:17:01.660 --> 01:17:02.300
coming soon

01:17:02.300 --> 01:17:02.660
alright

01:17:02.660 --> 01:17:03.300
well I think

01:17:03.300 --> 01:17:04.460
we're going to

01:17:04.460 --> 01:17:04.720
yeah

01:17:04.720 --> 01:17:05.940
we're kind of

01:17:05.940 --> 01:17:06.600
fading into

01:17:06.600 --> 01:17:07.160
running out of

01:17:07.160 --> 01:17:07.640
time here

01:17:07.640 --> 01:17:08.220
so do we have

01:17:08.220 --> 01:17:08.600
do we have

01:17:08.600 --> 01:17:08.760
an outcome

01:17:08.760 --> 01:17:10.820
none that I

01:17:10.820 --> 01:17:12.500
can think of

01:17:12.500 --> 01:17:15.720
apparently

01:17:15.720 --> 01:17:16.180
there's going to

01:17:16.180 --> 01:17:16.700
be a contest

01:17:16.700 --> 01:17:17.200
on

01:17:17.200 --> 01:17:17.760
hmm

01:17:17.760 --> 01:17:18.660
oh

01:17:18.660 --> 01:17:19.620
I don't know

01:17:19.620 --> 01:17:20.020
keep going

01:17:20.020 --> 01:17:20.280
sorry

01:17:20.280 --> 01:17:21.460
there's going to

01:17:21.460 --> 01:17:22.120
be a contest

01:17:22.120 --> 01:17:23.520
on dailyfreak.com

01:17:23.520 --> 01:17:23.780
soon

01:17:23.780 --> 01:17:24.280
I think that's

01:17:24.280 --> 01:17:24.620
the closest

01:17:24.620 --> 01:17:25.060
thing we have

01:17:25.060 --> 01:17:25.300
to it

01:17:25.300 --> 01:17:26.000
stay tuned

01:17:26.000 --> 01:17:26.660
for detail

01:17:26.660 --> 01:17:27.240
yeah

01:17:27.240 --> 01:17:29.540
yeah I'll post

01:17:29.540 --> 01:17:30.300
something on there

01:17:30.300 --> 01:17:31.560
and people can

01:17:31.560 --> 01:17:32.700
just leave comments

01:17:32.700 --> 01:17:33.320
on what they'd

01:17:33.320 --> 01:17:34.640
like to receive

01:17:34.640 --> 01:17:35.720
as a

01:17:35.720 --> 01:17:36.940
prize

01:17:36.940 --> 01:17:40.080
it's got to

01:17:40.080 --> 01:17:40.260
be

01:17:40.260 --> 01:17:42.080
for those of you

01:17:42.080 --> 01:17:42.500
who are thinking

01:17:42.500 --> 01:17:43.260
of posting

01:17:43.260 --> 01:17:43.940
I want to win

01:17:43.940 --> 01:17:44.400
a Ferrari

01:17:44.400 --> 01:17:45.520
no

01:17:45.520 --> 01:17:48.140
yeah

01:17:48.140 --> 01:17:48.760
it's not

01:17:48.760 --> 01:17:49.660
Tower 106

01:17:49.660 --> 01:17:52.660
okay

01:17:52.660 --> 01:17:54.880
our site of the

01:17:54.880 --> 01:17:55.100
week

01:17:55.100 --> 01:17:55.600
I actually

01:17:55.600 --> 01:17:56.060
this got

01:17:56.060 --> 01:17:57.380
floated around

01:17:57.380 --> 01:17:58.840
Boston 2600

01:17:58.840 --> 01:17:59.600
channel today

01:17:59.600 --> 01:18:02.240
streetwars.net

01:18:02.240 --> 01:18:03.820
s-t-r-e-e-t

01:18:03.820 --> 01:18:05.020
w-a-r-s

01:18:05.020 --> 01:18:05.680
dot net

01:18:05.680 --> 01:18:07.060
and it's

01:18:07.060 --> 01:18:08.100
the streetwars

01:18:08.100 --> 01:18:09.300
a three week

01:18:09.300 --> 01:18:09.860
long

01:18:09.860 --> 01:18:11.020
24-7

01:18:11.020 --> 01:18:11.740
water gun

01:18:11.740 --> 01:18:12.400
assassination

01:18:12.400 --> 01:18:13.060
tournament

01:18:13.060 --> 01:18:13.860
and this

01:18:13.860 --> 01:18:14.240
thing just

01:18:14.240 --> 01:18:14.780
sounds amazing

01:18:14.780 --> 01:18:15.060
I'm just

01:18:15.060 --> 01:18:15.760
going to read

01:18:15.760 --> 01:18:16.260
this off the

01:18:16.260 --> 01:18:16.660
website

01:18:16.660 --> 01:18:18.260
streetwars

01:18:18.260 --> 01:18:18.560
is a three

01:18:18.560 --> 01:18:18.980
week long

01:18:18.980 --> 01:18:19.540
24-7

01:18:19.540 --> 01:18:19.980
water gun

01:18:19.980 --> 01:18:20.360
assassination

01:18:20.360 --> 01:18:20.780
tournament

01:18:20.780 --> 01:18:21.440
that has

01:18:21.440 --> 01:18:21.740
already taken

01:18:21.740 --> 01:18:22.120
place in

01:18:22.120 --> 01:18:22.540
New York

01:18:22.540 --> 01:18:23.280
Vancouver

01:18:23.280 --> 01:18:23.740
Vienna

01:18:23.740 --> 01:18:24.380
San Francisco

01:18:24.380 --> 01:18:24.700
and is

01:18:24.700 --> 01:18:25.280
coming to

01:18:25.280 --> 01:18:25.820
Los Angeles

01:18:25.820 --> 01:18:26.140
oh boy

01:18:26.140 --> 01:18:26.540
oh boy

01:18:26.540 --> 01:18:28.200
at the

01:18:28.200 --> 01:18:29.360
start of

01:18:29.360 --> 01:18:29.820
the game

01:18:29.820 --> 01:18:30.140
it's a

01:18:30.140 --> 01:18:30.520
$35

01:18:30.520 --> 01:18:31.120
registration

01:18:31.120 --> 01:18:31.560
fee

01:18:31.560 --> 01:18:32.960
you will

01:18:32.960 --> 01:18:33.420
receive a

01:18:33.420 --> 01:18:34.160
manila envelope

01:18:34.160 --> 01:18:34.800
containing the

01:18:34.800 --> 01:18:35.180
following

01:18:35.180 --> 01:18:36.080
a picture

01:18:36.080 --> 01:18:36.440
of your

01:18:36.440 --> 01:18:36.780
intended

01:18:36.780 --> 01:18:37.260
target

01:18:37.260 --> 01:18:38.460
or target

01:18:38.460 --> 01:18:39.220
or targets

01:18:39.560 --> 01:18:40.420
the home

01:18:40.420 --> 01:18:41.140
address of your

01:18:41.140 --> 01:18:41.940
intended targets

01:18:41.940 --> 01:18:43.200
or target

01:18:43.200 --> 01:18:45.060
the work

01:18:45.060 --> 01:18:45.740
address of your

01:18:45.740 --> 01:18:46.460
intended target

01:18:46.460 --> 01:18:47.100
slash targets

01:18:47.100 --> 01:18:48.080
the name of your

01:18:48.080 --> 01:18:48.720
intended target

01:18:48.720 --> 01:18:49.340
slash targets

01:18:49.340 --> 01:18:50.840
contact information

01:18:50.840 --> 01:18:51.720
of your intended

01:18:51.720 --> 01:18:52.820
target slash targets

01:18:52.820 --> 01:18:53.940
upon receipt of

01:18:53.940 --> 01:18:54.360
these items

01:18:54.360 --> 01:18:55.160
you or your

01:18:55.160 --> 01:18:55.520
team

01:18:55.520 --> 01:18:56.740
is mission

01:18:56.740 --> 01:18:57.580
is to find out

01:18:57.580 --> 01:18:58.140
and kill

01:18:58.140 --> 01:18:58.720
by way of the

01:18:58.720 --> 01:18:59.100
water gun

01:18:59.100 --> 01:18:59.620
water balloon

01:18:59.620 --> 01:19:00.000
or super

01:19:00.000 --> 01:19:00.300
soaker

01:19:00.300 --> 01:19:01.260
your targets

01:19:01.260 --> 01:19:02.540
you can hunt

01:19:02.540 --> 01:19:02.860
your target

01:19:02.860 --> 01:19:03.480
down any way

01:19:03.480 --> 01:19:08.140
you see fit you compose the delivery person and jack them when they open the door disguise yourself

01:19:08.140 --> 01:19:12.500
and take them out in the street etc if you are successful in your assassination attempt the

01:19:12.500 --> 01:19:17.200
person you have killed will give you their envelope and the person you were supposed to kill

01:19:17.200 --> 01:19:21.380
becomes your new target or they were supposed to kill becomes your new target this continues until

01:19:21.380 --> 01:19:25.980
you work yourself through all the players and retrieve the envelope with your or your team's

01:19:25.980 --> 01:19:33.380
pictures and names then you win cash but first like a lot of fun oh my god this just

01:19:33.380 --> 01:19:38.780
sounds insane i mean i remember hearing about this stuff and going on like college dorms but like

01:19:38.780 --> 01:19:47.620
an entire city dear god i'll have to float that around my my 2600 group oh man that'd be just

01:19:47.620 --> 01:19:57.940
insane yeah there we go dude the la 2600 assassination oh yeah so that so that's streetwars.net just just

01:19:57.940 --> 01:20:04.000
read it it's just it's it's insane i can just picture myself just hanging around boston playing

01:20:04.000 --> 01:20:08.740
this game and just like walking out and just surveying everyone as i walk out my building and

01:20:08.740 --> 01:20:14.120
just having this water gun and running down the street our one other side i want to point out as

01:20:14.120 --> 01:20:19.180
as possible as the second side of the week is for something specifically for this friday it's

01:20:19.180 --> 01:20:27.160
tinyurl.com slash october yankee six bravo mike a recipe for blackberry muffins that you should

01:20:27.160 --> 01:20:36.900
make on friday and eat while the verdict's being announced oh what the hell that's funny so while

01:20:36.900 --> 01:20:40.660
you're while you're reading while you're watching the blackberry case live on court tv you can

01:20:40.660 --> 01:20:48.200
enjoy the blackberry muffins that's the whole point yeah all right any shout out good so uh email

01:20:48.200 --> 01:20:55.640
radio at ginrov.com oh yeah we did skip the shouts didn't we uh natis do you have shouts

01:20:55.640 --> 01:21:03.500
um i don't give a shout out to everybody in ddp uh shout out to you guys shout out to all the

01:21:03.500 --> 01:21:09.040
listeners and to all the people on daily freak all the people that actually read it and support it

01:21:09.040 --> 01:21:15.060
and a shout out to duel too because i talked to him the other day and he's cool and decoder cool

01:21:15.060 --> 01:21:22.020
and decoder yeah shout out to decoder shout out to uh lance james this week yeah fuck yeah and

01:21:22.020 --> 01:21:27.340
kevin mitnick and darcy and kevin paulson and all the other people you guys know and i'm just lonely

01:21:27.340 --> 01:21:31.580
and shout out to danny kass shout out to danny kass for winning the silver medal

01:21:31.580 --> 01:21:42.060
hey so what should i do next week should i email you guys or whatever about uh what happens

01:21:42.060 --> 01:21:44.560
i probably won't be a guest again next week

01:21:44.560 --> 01:21:45.260
yeah we can bring you back on

01:21:45.260 --> 01:21:50.720
yeah sure why not so we can just yeah you can just do you can just do a

01:21:50.720 --> 01:21:54.920
yeah we'll figure something out we'll talk about this later um email us yeah radio

01:21:54.920 --> 01:22:03.360
music this evening is from an artist called low fish and it's called theme to parked cars

01:22:03.360 --> 01:22:11.860
park cars park cars oh i keep on getting forgetting like i'm forgetting something

01:22:11.860 --> 01:22:14.700
would parked cars be like ben or and ricka kasek in coffins

01:22:14.700 --> 01:22:24.020
you're just so funny and no one actually got that in the audience i think probably few few people

01:22:24.020 --> 01:22:28.460
got fewer people got that than my uh austrian cross country shame joke so

01:22:28.460 --> 01:22:30.780
been rev more esoteric every day

01:22:30.780 --> 01:22:38.300
yes so we will see you next week same hack channel

01:22:38.300 --> 01:22:43.080
very nice

01:22:43.080 --> 01:22:44.440
lord

01:22:54.020 --> 01:23:14.080
this

01:23:14.080 --> 01:23:44.060
Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.