This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers
I see in binary, I speak source code
Step on my toes, I'll post a million game pegs of you in a fag bone
In your digital stance, getting firewalled ho
Cause I'm riding the net in my six-fold
I was a dick with my 56
Now with my cable, I'm able to get that stable
On the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo
On the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm a hero
In a flash, I'll screw you on burning dreamcast
You need some ISO? Let me through my hard drive rifle
Our exchange you could never stifle
In a digital hug, you just caught the love bug
I bootlegged your CD, I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z
Your CG, it's all gonna be free
Whether we take it by force or we take it nicely
You feel that rattle in your bones?
When I tell you we just hacked out Jones
And NASDAQ, leave your fight on your back
Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack
This is dedicated to the hackers and the crackers
Serial codes, source codes, ISO, RAM, SIF, SIS
This is dedicated to the hackers and the crackers
Hello everybody and welcome to Binary Revolution Radio
After doing a whole lot of these shows
I have to try to do some different thing with my voice
I don't know, just get over it
I don't know what the hell I'm trying to do tonight
Tonight being May 23rd, 2006
I am Stank Dog
Did I say this was episode 149?
Bin Rev Radio?
Yeah, whatever
Yes she did
I'm not so good at this
And that voice you just heard is a new first time co-host of the show
Everybody who hangs out in IRC might already know Tech Biz
I mean Tabiz, sorry
Yeah, yeah
Tabiz is on the show tonight, welcome
Thank you, thank you
It's a pleasure to be on, finally
Hey, we've tried a few times
You have some content
You have, oh, oh, a burn
Oh, burn
Yeah, you got girlfriends and things, see
That just kind of complicates timing and whatnot
Yeah
So, Tabiz and I are going to talk about a pretty interesting topic
Coming down the road here in a few seconds
A few minutes
But first, I do have a little bit of housekeeping
Things to take care of today
I've got, actually I'm passing this on from Black Ratchet
Everybody's favorite host
Black Ratchet is curious to know if we have any listeners in Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
I believe he might be up in the area for something
So, if you are in or around Regina, Saskatchewan
Please email blackratchet at blackratchet.org
Wait a minute, did I say that right?
Blackratchet at blackratchet.org
There you go
How can you screw that one up? It's so easy
Yeah, right
Maybe we should tiny URL it for them
Maybe I'm supposed to, oh, that's what I'm supposed to do
I'm supposed to read it like
Beta
Licorice
Alpha
Cockring
I don't know what the hell those letters are
Whatever
That would just take too long to say
Yeah, you're right
I can just say Black Ratchet
And if I can't spell it, then whatever
Then I guess they won't meet up
And have sweet, sweet love down by the fire
Or whatever it is they're planning on doing
I'm not saying anything
Just, you know, putting two and two together
I'm going to take a nice sip of my sweet iced tea
Another BinRev tradition
Crack open another frosty cold beer here
What kind?
What kind of beer are you drinking there, Mr. Kevin Rose?
All I have right now is Bud Light
But I spent the weekend getting over a Guinness-induced haze
Yeah, actually, I think I called in the middle of that
See, now that's...
Also, to biz of the BR561 meetings
And so you guys actually go...
You have the whole meeting
Have a good, productive meeting
Talk about a lot of cool stuff
And then go get shit-faced drunk
Yeah, I mean...
What more can you ask for?
Let's see, one other housekeeping thing
And I think most people probably know this
Is that the last week's file was all screwed up
That is my fault
I apologize for that
I uploaded...
Everything was encoded fine, as it turns out
I guess it didn't upload properly
I don't know how or why
But the whole thing was all garbled
And I think that caused it also to not stream
Because the streaming server is retarded
And only allows a certain bitrate to be played
And when the mp3 was all corrupted
It didn't know what the hell was going on
So I re-uploaded that immediately Wednesday
Tested and everything's working now
So hopefully people have listened to episode 148
The Rainbow Tables
Because that was a really, really cool episode
And I learned a lot from it
So hopefully some others did as well
I did too
I actually enjoyed listening to it
Not only at work, but at home
Because Decius had quite a bit of information
To pack into that hour and a half
Yeah, it really
You know, I really wanted to cover the math
And like, Decius is just one of the first people
I'm like, you know what
He's going to know this for sure
So it was good to get him back on the show again
And I guess that's it
Unless you had some announcements
I know BinRiv meeting was last week
So we don't have that coming up
No, yeah
We just had our meeting last week
I actually had an article presented
On a do-it-yourself hotspot for profit
I'm actually going to be putting that up
On 561.binrevmeeting.com
Hopefully later tonight
And I've got a couple of upcoming articles
That I'm going to be writing
Such as
Laptop physical security
And physical destruction of documents
To prevent dumpster diving
Holy crap
That's a mouthful
Yeah, I'm going to try to shorten that down
You know what then
As long as we're doing this
Let's
Because we're kind of doing a show and tell anyway
Let's jump into the show and tell
You're writing a couple articles
Are you going to put all those up on 561?
You've gotten one done for sure, right?
The first one you already presented
Yeah
Actually, I have to finish up the references for
Because I did reference quite a few sites
For equipment and whatnot
But
So coming soon
Unless plans change
I do plan on putting them all up on 561
Very cool
And for everyone out there
You know, I'll throw this out again
If you want to start up a
BinRev meeting close to you somewhere
Even if there's already one in the city
Like I know Boston apparently is a very
Has heavy traffic, I guess
And Boston can be broken down
Into a lot of separate areas
Because it is difficult apparently
To get from one side to the other
So if anybody wants to set up
A meeting anywhere
Even if there is
Like I said
There's already a meeting in Boston
If you want to set one up
On the other side of the city
Or just outside of the city
Or something
You know, let us know
We are
We realize that a lot of people
Live in small towns out there
They live out in the Midwest
In the South
Someplace where they're not near
A big city
So it's okay to start one
In a small area
Just get a few people together
That you know
Are going to make it regularly
Even if it's just friends
You already know
Go get the meeting started
And other people will show up
And follow
And let's see
Anything else you wanted to
Bring up?
Not right now
I've got a couple things
I'm working on
But that's under disclosure
Gotcha, gotcha
Under disclosure
I don't know
In case I didn't mention it
We'll give you free hosting
For your website too
You'll get an NPA
Just email us at
411 at
BinRevMeetings.com
If you have a meeting ready
Or already had your started one
And we'll set you up
And one of us will get back to you
Now we want you to at least
Have one meeting
Go establish
And make sure that you want
To go through with it
That you realize
And commit to it
Before we go making a website for it
We've had a few
That we put up quickly for people
And they never ever
Did anything with them
And it is
Time out of our schedule
To set those up
So
Please
Be
You know
Make sure you're going to be able
To continue it
And
And make it
As much as possible
So that's why it's better
To get kind of a group
Of people you already know
To start one
That helps you start off
With a good group
Myself
Actually
I've done a lot of work
On the site
The sites
I should say
Plural
Especially
Oh yeah
This is an announcement
I should bring up too
Hack TV
Underground
Episode 1
The one with
Droops
And the Infonomicon
Computer Club
A bunch of those guys
From
Filmed it
I think it was
Near Nauticon
I think it was
The weekend of Nauticon
Anyway
Their episode of
Hack TV Underground
Was featured on
A show on
Tech TV Canada
Called Torrent
So they contacted us
And asked if we
If we minded
Using it
And of course
We didn't
We want everybody
To share it
Everything's under
The Creative Commons
License to allow that
So
Congratulations to them
So check that out
At hacktv.org
Which is now
Our official site
We've spun Hack TV
Off onto its own site
So it will not be
Tied on with
BinRev so closely
And I updated
The BinRev home page
So if you haven't
Seen that yet
Go check out
BinRev.com
I've posted some
News on the front
And some changes
That we're in the
Process of making
So there's some
Cool stuff there
Hacktv.binrev.com
Will now automatically
Redirect you to
Hacktv.org
And all announcements
Will be put over there
Anything related to
Hack TV that is
And that's about it
I'm still working on
Some things for hope
But unfortunately
I don't have any
Solid information yet
So hopefully next week
I keep saying that
It seems like
But I guess that's it
So let's do
Some email
All right and our
First email this week
Comes from
Shadrack
Shadrack says
I hope I'm
Pronouncing that right
Shadrack said
I should just give up
On pronouncing
I should just not
Care anymore
Just people are
Going to yell
So whatever
I'm going with
Shadrack who says
Hey I was listening
To your broadcast
On Rant Radio today
May 16th while at work
And was unfortunately
Not paying enough
Attention
I heard you mention
Some sort of
Customizable mech game
That you could build
Your own mechs
And wanted to check
Out the game
I thought you said
It was called
X-Steel
Or some such
Unfortunately
When I got home
I could not find
Anything on
X-Steel
On Google
And when I went
To listen to
Today's archive
The MP3
Was gibbled
Would you do me
A huge favor
And email me back
With some sort of
Link or information
On this game
Thank you
Alright
I
We did have an
MP3 that was
Gibbled
I don't know
That's a good word
That was messed up
As I said earlier
Has been fixed now
So you can go back
And listen to it
But quite honestly
I mean maybe
I'm just really
Really senile
But I don't
Remember that
Do you remember
What I
I don't remember
What I said last
I don't remember
What I said earlier
This morning
Let alone last week
On the show
No I don't remember
You saying that
But I will agree
On the senile part
Well yeah
So our first email
This week
Comes from
No I'm just kidding
I'm not that senile
I'm only a little bit senile
So
And you know
Maybe
Maybe he
Was listening to
Our friends over there
On Gamer Radio
Over at
HWHQ.com
Hurricane World Headquarters
HWHQ.com
And if it wasn't them
Go check them out anyway
Good friends of the show
Long time friends of us
So go check them out
Support their
They're still putting out
A great show over there
So go check them out
And yeah
The mp3 is up now
So I honestly
I swear to you
I don't remember
Even talking about this
So
I can't help you out on that
I'd have to go listen to it myself
So
You can do that now
Alright
Our next email
Comes from Iron Geek
Who is also a good friend
Of the show
He says
Hi guys
There's a free service
For cracking hashes
Using rainbow tables
Check out
Plaintext.info
That's
P-L-A-I-N
Dash
T-E-X-T
Dot
I-N-F-O
Not really a point in time
You are earning that
So
Plaintext.info
They give preferred treatment
To team members
But anyone can submit
A hash to crack
It supports
LM
N-T-L-M
And M-D-5
Hashes
So very cool
Iron Geek
Thank you for that tip
Hopefully people will
Go try that out
Next email this week
Comes from
Oxquan
Oxquan says
BinRev
Hack TV site
That is
BinRev.com
Slash
Hack TV
Is out of
Synchronization
I think he means to say
With the current
Hack TV site
Which is
HackTV.org
So if it isn't
A problem
Maybe BinRev's site
Could redirect
To Hack TV site
In my opinion
It would be easier
To maintain
But there can be
Problems with
Bandwidth
Oxquan
Give me a break
Dude
Give me a break
I put Hack TV
Up one day
And then I got
This email
That night
From Oxquan
Saying that
They're out of sync
So
Give a brother
A minute
Help a brother
Ow
Give me a day
To work on it
Damn
Man
Help me out here
No I'm just kidding
Oxquan actually
Is a long time
Listener of the show
As well
So I'm just
Playing around
But yeah
It's exactly
I put up
The new episode
Hack TV
Underground
Episode 2
If you haven't
Gotten it yet
Go grab it
HackTV.org
I did
Upload that
To HackTV.org
Because that is
Going to be
Our main site now
And I did not
And am not
Upgrading
HackTV.BinRev.com
Anymore
But it was late
And I was tired
So I did it
The next day
When I came home
But Oxquan
Beat me to it
With the email
So it is
Forwarding over there
Now like I said
And yeah
All the bandwidth
Will be
And the other
Good thing about
This is
It lets me
Kind of watch
And track the
Bandwidth
And the downloads
A little bit better
By having it
On a separate site
Because we have
So many things
On BinRev.com
That if I ever
Want to go looking
To see how much
Bandwidth a particular
File is eating up
Or how many people
Are downloading it
That kind of thing
It gets really
Really tough
To wade through
These huge log files
And statistics
And stuff like that
So logically
It does help
To move stuff off
And that is one
Of the reasons
That we are doing that
So
Did that
I updated
A lot of the
Other subdomains
With BinRev.com
The radio page
Even
Some people
Might not have
Realized
But
Especially if
You're using
The podcast
But the radio page
Used to have
This little
Pretty much
Unnecessary
Splash page
Explaining that
We've spun off
Ddphackradio.org
To its own site
So that's not
Really necessary anymore
So right now
That one will
Redirect you
Straight to the
Archive
So you'll see
The download links
Which also have
Permalinks by the way
If you want to
Permalink directly
To an episode
On your blog
You want to
Talk about
Or follow up
Or roast us
For a mistake
Or tell us
How much we suck
On a particular episode
You can put
You have the
Anchored link there
The little pound sign
That you can link
Directly to that episode
So people can
Read the show notes
On it
And link directly
Only to that episode
Because we've got
Quite a few
What are we up to
149 now
That's a lot
Of episodes man
That's a lot of shit
So
Let's see
Where was I here
So
Oh yeah
Don't forget
About the blog
Another site
We spun off
Digitaldogpound.org
That is our
Blog
B-L-A-W-G
I know that's
Annoying
But I like it
So screw you all
And any news
Announcements
Of any kind
Are going to be
Made there first
So when we
Release Hack TV
Underground episode
It'll go on
HackTV.org
But it'll also
Go on
Digitaldogpound.org
So go check
That out
Subscribe to
The RSS
Seed for that
Throw it on your
Sites
Etcetera
And you know
Click on an ad
Or two
While you're there
Help a brother out
You know what I'm saying
And our final email
This week
I'm going to take
Another sip of
Iced tea here
And I know
That's terrible
To tell people
That I'm drinking
On the radio
But you know what
Screw you guys
I'm going home
Wait a minute
I already am home
And I'm buck ass
Naked again this week
In case I didn't say that
Oh man
That's pretty sexy
Can I get a
Webcam shot of that
Oh see
That's the next
Evolution of the
Radio show
Is to have a
Webcam
Recording me
While we're doing it
Yeah
That'll be good stuff
So we're going to
Now have a podcast
And a vlog
For this
Or a podcast
Not vlog
No
No no no
Vlog is not
Ugh
Anyway
Let's see
Our last email
This week
Comes from
Sliskerm
Sliskerm says
Hey
I'm a regular
Listener
But listening to
Show 148
Rainbow Tables
Had me awaiting
The mention of
Derek's boot
And nuke
At
Dban
Sourceforge
Dot net
Or sf
Dot net
By the way
Quoting from
The site
Quote
Derek's boot
And nuke
Dban
Is a self
Contained
Boot floppy
That securely
Wipes the
Hard disks
Of most
Computers
Dban
Will automatically
And completely
Delete the
Contents of
Any hard disk
That it can
Detect
Which makes
It an
Appropriate
Utility for
Bulk or
Emergency
Data destruction
So when
The quote
Theoretical
Time comes
Put the
Disk or
Floppy in
Your drive
And turn
On the
Laptop
For the
Uber
Paranoid
You could
Leave the
Disk in
The drive
And remember
To take
It out
Whenever you
Use it
Just giving
A popular
Tool a
Mention
Thank you
Very much
Sliss
Kerrm
Because that
Is actually
A great
Segway
Into our
Main
Topic
Tonight
Well actually
That's going
To be our
Second topic
The first
Topic
The main
Part of
The show
Tonight
Is going
To be
And this
Is because
Tom
Requested it
In IRC
I'm going
To do
A full
Review
Of the
TRIO
700W
I didn't
Spend enough
Time on
It before
And I think
Not Theory
Talked about
It a little
Bit here
And there
So instead
Of doing
Many reviews
I'm going
To do a
Full review
On the
TRIO
700
So probably
I'm thinking
In 20 or
30 minutes
I can cover
All of the
Features
Of the
TRIO
And then when
I'm done
With that
We're going
To move
Into some
Data recovery
Forensics
Data destruction
That sort
Of thing
So Tom
This is
Going to
Be for
You
Wait a minute
Actually you
Know what
I'm going
To save
The TRIO
700
For later
Let's just
Go straight
Into the
Forensics
Is that
Cool with
You
Yeah but
Let's make
Sure to do
The 700W
Review all
Next week
Yeah okay
Next week's
Show will be
A full review
Of the
TRIO
700W
And how
Much
I hate
That phone
So and
Maybe I can
Get Tom
On for that
Episode
Because I
Think he's
Really knowledgeable
About that
Subject
They can
Probably speak
Better than
Me too
Alright so
No joking
Aside we are
Going to talk
About data
Recovery and
Data destruction
And forensic
Tools that are
Out there to
Help you since
This was and
Actually this has
Been this is a
Pretty popular
Topic in the
Forums this
Comes up quite
A bit I do
Get emails from
People I got a
Couple other
Emails that I
Didn't read on
The air tonight
About the same
Subject matter
So this is
Actually something
That people are
Interested in
There's a
Little bit of
Mixed knowledge
Out there so
We're going to
Try to talk
About it a
Little bit so
Let me if I
May start off a
Little bit with
Some general
Overview of what
Exactly we're going
To be talking
About data
Recovery meaning
You know and
This stems from
An email last
Week and again
Multiple mentions
In the forum so
People may have
And everything
We're about to
Talk about is
Going to be
Hypothetical
Possibly what if
Kind of scenario
So theoretically
If somebody has
Something on
Their hard drive
That they are
Embarrassed of
Or don't want
To be found
With or just
Simply respect
Their privacy
And don't want
People nosing
Through it
May want to
Delete those
Files so that
No one sees
Them
Well I think
Probably most
Of our listeners
Do realize that
When you delete
A file that it
Doesn't really get
Deleted most of
The time
Especially with
Any windows
Operating system
But what
They normally
Happens is all
Your files that
Are out there
They're stored
Remember these
Are magnetically
Stored on a
Hard drive
These are
Signals positive
Plus minuses
A bunch of
Tiny tiny magnetic
Signals stored
Onto a hard drive
And what happens
Is that in the
Allocation table
In the operating
System what
They will do is
Point to a
Specific location
On the disk
Where that data
Is stored
That data again
In the form of
All these magnetic
Signals
Well when you
Delete a file
It doesn't actually
Go and reset
All of those
Signals
All it does is
Delete that
Pointer
To where the
File used to
Exist and by
Deleting that
Pointer it doesn't
Know that there
Is a file there
Anymore
Technically
Those bits
Are still
Sitting there
And can be
And if you
Remember back
In the old
Days there used
To be a command
Called undelete
And you
Could undelete
Files
Because it
Knew that
It was still
There and
It still
Had it
Kind of
In the
Background
It knew
Where to
Look and
Where to
Find stuff
And it
Could
It could
Still recover
Data
It's not
Quite that
Easy anymore
But there
Is data
Still there
And they
Don't
Actually
Get over
Written
Until
The file
System
Or the
Operating
System
Actually
Writes
Over that
Physical
Portion
Of the
Disk
Again
So you
Delete
The pointer
To the
File
Or delete
The pointer
Where that
data is
On this
Particular
Track
On this
Particular
Platter
But the
Data is
Actually still
There
So until
It gets
Around to
Writing
Something else
In that
Location
It's now
Flagged
And says
I'm not
Pointing to
That location
Anymore
It's free
Space
As far as
I'm concerned
But technically
It's never
Been deleted
Until you
Write something
Else on top
Of it
And the
Way the
File systems
Usually work
Is it's
Pretty random
It's wherever
The read
Write heads
Happen to be
It'll try
To write
The file
As quickly
As possible
Which is
Why your
Disk gets
Defragmented
It doesn't
Like put
Everything in
Nice neat
Order
And I'm
Sure everybody
Also knows
That you
Defragment
Because files
Are scattered
Everywhere
And it'll
Try to
Put them
All in
Such an
Order
That it'll
Make them
A little
Bit quicker
And more
Efficient
To read
So that's
What we're
Talking about
Here in
Very very
General terms
There's also
Something that
Comes into
Play called
A journaled
File system
Now a
Journaled file
System means
That in
Case of
Emergency
And feel
Free to
Interrupt me
If I say
Something off
Here but
A journaled
File system
Is well
Kind of like
In case of
An emergency
If your
OS gets
Shut down
Improperly
It can
Still recover
Some of
That data
Everything is
Journaled
Which is
Good
It's good
For stability
Kind of
Got flags
It's kind of
Got a log
Of everything
That's going
On so that
If something
Does happen
That it can
Kind of
Restore itself
And pick up
Where it
Left off
And try not
To lose
Any data
If it
Can
Now this
Is really
Good for
Stability
And recovering
Your data
You know
You're really
Happy if
Your hard
Drive dies
And you're
Able to
Boot back
Up and
Hey look
My word
Document it
Says it
Was in
Progress
Do you
Want to
Restore it
Yes
You're
Happy
But
For privacy
Advocates
When you're
When you
Want data
To be
Deleted
Or you
Don't
Know that
You don't
Want there
To be
Any signs
Or traces
Of data
It's not
Exactly
The best
Thing
So journal
File
System
Is something
To keep
In mind
In a lot
Of the
Things that
We're
Getting ready
To talk
About
So because
Of these
And many
Other
Weaknesses
In the way
That these
Files and
These things
Are handled
There are
Quite a few
Tools out
There
And I
Guess
Forensic
Tools
Is that a
Good term
Is that the
Way they're
Normally
Described
Yeah
They're just
Called
Forensic
Recovery
Tools
Or just
Like you
Said
Forensic
Tools
Okay so
Forensic
Data
Recovery
Tools
For lack
Of a
Better
Word
We'll go
With that
But forensic
Tools
Out there
Are they
Now
I've never
Used
I use some
Of the
Tools to
To try to
Protect and
Keep my
Privacy
But I'll
Admit I've
Never used
Anything to
Try to
Recover
Data
It's one
Of those
Things like
Backup
Software
A lot
Of people
Will make
Backups
And never
Actually test
Them to see
If they
Restore
Which could
Really suck
Because if
You're in
Emergency
And you
Got to
Restore
Data
And uh
Oh
It doesn't
Work
You didn't
Do it
Right
Because you
Never tested
It
So I'm
Kind of
On that
Boat
Here
I'm wiping
My disk
I'm pretty
Confident
And I'm
Pretty safe
But I've
Never actually
Tried any
Of these
Forensic
Tools
But you
Actually have
Some experience
With quite a
Few of
These
Right
Yes I do
Actually
I've used
A couple
Not only
At school
But at
Work as
Well
All right
Very cool
Well
How many
Of these
I mean
We've got
Quite a few
Here we
Are there any
Open source
Or free ones
That maybe
We should
Start with
Or are
Most of
These
Things you
Have to
Pay for
Because this
Is
This is
Pretty
Specific
Software
And usually
When you
Have software
This
Specific
It's
Usually
Pretty
Expensive
Too
Well
Out of
The ones
We're
Actually
Going to
Talk about
The only
One
That you
Do
There's
Two of
Them you
Actually
Have to
Pay for
That's
N-Case
And the
Other is
Actually
X-Ways
Forensic
Edition
Those are
The only
Two that
You actually
Do have
To pay
Anything
For
All right
Well let's
Talk about
In case
Because I've
Actually heard
Quite a bit
About that
One
I think
That is
Is that
One of
The more
Popular
Ones
If you're
Actually
In the
Forensics
Industry
That is
The industry
Standard
And if
Someone hears
You say
That you
Use something
Else
You're
Probably
Going to
Be
Left
Out of
Your
Job
It's a
Really
Heavy
Hitting
Program
I've
Used it
Before
In school
To
Actually
Test
D-Van
Since it
Was mentioned
In an
Earlier
Email
And
I had
Some
Pretty
Interesting
Results
On that
But
I'll
Talk
About
That
In a
Bit
There's
Three
Different
Types
Of
Actually
In case
There's
In case
Enterprise
The
Field
Intelligence
Model
And
Then
In case
Forensic
I'm
Sorry
Just
To
Do
The
Same
Thing
I'm
Sorry
Just
To
Clarify
D-Van
Again
Was
Derek's
Boot
And
Nuke
That
Was
Referred
To
In
That
Email
Earlier
The
One
Where
You
Can
Boot
Up
And
It
Will
Automatically
Reformat
Your
Hard
Drives
And
Stuff
Like
That
Yep
And
Just
A
Side
Note
D-Van
Is
Actually
GPL
So
It
Is
Free
Cool
Unlike
Some
Of
The
Others
That
I've
Found
Good
Deal
So
Three
Products
I
Mean
Like
I've
Only
Couple
Of
Times
Because
There's
Not
Been
A
Lot
Of
Times
Where
I've
Actually
Had
To
Do
Forensic
Recovery
And
Like
I
Said
It's
A
Heavy
Hitting
Program
You
Can't
Just
Use
This
On
Any
Old
Computer
You've
Got
Sitting
Around
Or
On
Your
Laptop
It
Needs
Power
I
Was
Going
Over
The
Specs
For
This
Stuff
Last
Year
And
It
Was
Like
You
Need
A
Dual
Processor
Machine
And
Like
Two
Gigs
Around
And
Tons
Of
Storage
From
What
I've
Been
Looking
Over
From
Other
Forensic
Forums
They
Suggest
You
At
Least
Have
A
Terabyte
Of
Storage
In
Case
You
Have
To
Do
A
Lot
Of
Recovery
On
A
Lot
Of
Different
Images
Wow
Yeah
This
Stuff
Isn't
Just
Like
Oh
I'm
Going
To
Download
This
Program
And
Pop
It
On
My
Old
P3
500
You
Do
That
You're
Going
To
Be
Waiting
A
Long
Time
To
Actually
Do
Any
Kind
Of
Recovery
Or
Investigation
Now
Is
This
Something
That
People
Can
Buy
Off
The
Shelf
Is
This
Something
That's
Only
Available
To
Law
Enforcement
Or
Do
You
Have
To
Have
Some
Kind
Of
Encase
Enterprise
Edition
But
As
Far
As
The
Field
Intelligence
Model
And
The
Encase
Forensic
Model
They
Are
Only
Available
To
Law
Enforcement
And
Government
Or
If
You
Have
Deep
Enough
Pockets
But
If
You
Really
Need
It
You're
Going
To
Be
In
Law
Enforcement
And
This
Is
The
Name
Of
The
Tool
Is
E
N
C
A
S
E
And
Who
Is
It
Made
By
Is
There
A
Website
We
Can
Give
Out
Yeah
It's
Actually
Made
By
Guidance
Software
That's
Guidance
Software
Dot
Com
So
I
Mean
You
Can
Just
Google
Encase
And
It's
The
First
Hit
Okay
Cool
You
Said
You've
Actually
Used
It
You've
Actually
Gone
Through
And
From
Start
To
Finish
And
Used
It
And
What
Did
You
Find
Well
In
Class
We
Actually
Used
It
To
Test
Two
Different
Things
One
Was
How
Well
Something
Like
Derrick's
Boot
And
Nuke
Actually
Works
And
How
Well
Other
Tools
That
Are
Comparable
To
D-Band
Actually
Work
When
We
Actually
Formatted
With
D-Band
We
Did
The
Standard
DoD
Seven
Wipe
Pass
And
In
Case
Was
Able
To
Pretty
Much
Pick
Up
Everything
We
Did
On
That
Disc
Maybe
This
Is
A
Good
Point
Maybe
To
Kind
Of
Break
For
Just
A
Second
And
Talk
About
The
DoD
There's
Kind
Of
There's
Kind
Of
Three
Different
Standards
Well
There's
More
Than
Three
But
There
Are
Three
Fairly
Common
Standards
One
Is
A
Three
Pass
One
Is
A
Seven
Pass
And
One
Is
A
35
Pass
Yes
But
The
35
Pass
Is
Not
Actually
From
The
DoD
It's
From
A
Guy
Called
Peter
Gutman
Right
The
Gutman
Right
So
Wow
That's
Interesting
What
I
Normally
Set
Mine
At
Is
Just
Not
Really
That
Concern
So
Much
If
Somebody
Has
In
Case
They
Might
Be
Able
To
Recover
It
Sounds
Like
Now
But
I
Tell
You
That
35
Pass
Takes
A
Long
Time
To
Wipe
That's
A
Long
Time
To
Do
It
But
After
Reading
A
Couple
Papers
From
Mr.
Gutman
I
Actually
Found
Out
Even
He
Suggests
That
With
Modern
Hard
Drives
You
Don't
Use
That
Technique
Because
Of
These
Riders
Are
Actually
Encoded
Yeah
And
Actually
This
Gets
Into
Some
Mathematics
And
I
Say
This
On
The
Show
A
Lot
Computing
Is
Very
Much
Based
And
Housed
With
Math
Tied
Very
Closely
With
Mathematics
And
Statistics
And
I
Can't
Emphasize
That
Enough
The
Way
These
Things
Are
Storing
Data
Is
Very
Interesting
And
The
35
Pass
Model
Especially
I
Found
Interesting
Because
When
Your
Is
Stored
On
A
Hard
Drive
You
Know
You
Have
Basically
A
Positive
And
Negative
Signals
Or
Zeros
And
Ones
Actually
To
Go
With
The
Traditional
Let's
Go
With
The
Zero
And
One
When
These
Things
Write
Data
It's
Not
Always
Necessarily
A
Perfect
1.0
The
Way
Those
Heads
Work
There
There's
A
Little
Bit
Of
Variance
In
Sometimes
It
Can
Be
1.05
Sometimes
It
Can
Be
0.95
Yeah
That's
What I
Found
Too
It
Really
Is
Probably
A
Tenth
Of
A
Percentage
Variance
Each
Way
But
That's
What
Makes
It's
That
Flaw
And
The
Way
That
Thing
Works
That
A
Lot
Of
This
Stuff
Is
Based
On
Because
You
May
Have
Something
That's
Written
At
1.05
And
Then
Override
It
Later
But
Not
Completely
Override
It
So
It
Can
Be
Undone
So
To
Speak
If
You
Can
Figure
Out
Those
Patterns
Which
Maybe
That's
Why
It
Needs
So
Much
Power
But
You
Can
Actually
Go
Back
Layer
By
Layer
And
Recover
Files
Even
If
They
Have
Been
Written
Over
That's
The
Really
Scary
Part
That
I
Found
Out
And
That's
What
I
Really
Want
To
Hear
How
Some
Of
The
Success
Stories
We've
Had
With
Some
Of
These
Other
Ones
Because
Of
The
Way
This
Thing
Works
Wiping
Over
And
This
Brings
Us
Back
To
The
3.7
And
35
Pass
What
That
Really
Means
Is
That
Free
Space
We
Talked
About
Earlier
That
You've
Reallocated
It's
Taking
The
Pointer
Out
It's
Just
Going
To
Go
Right
Back
And
Write
Data
Over
That
If
You
Had
A
One
Meg
File
It's
Going
To
Go
Back
And
Write
One
Meg
Of
Data
Across
That
Sector
Or
Sectors
Tracks
And
Overwrite
Everything
And
Overwrite
It
Again
And
Overwrite
It
A
Third
Time
Now
Pick
Things
That
They
Know
Are
Going
To
Trigger
Those
Things
In
Such
A
Way
That
It
Will
Throw
Off
The
Mathematics
So
It's
Not
Easily
Undone
Three
Is
More
Easily
Undone
Seven
When
You've
Overwritten
It
Seven
Times
And
Flipped
All
These
Bits
Back
And
Forth
Ones
To
Zero
So
Many
Times
That
Five
Plus
Or
Five
Minus
That
Ten
Variants
Is
Much
Less
Like
Much
Less
Likely
Is
That
Proper
English
To
Be
Recovered
And
Then
Obviously
The
Thirty
Five
Pass
You're
Writing
Over
That
Thing
Thirty
Five
Different
Times
Those
Switches
Have
Been
Toggled
So
Many
Times
That
Again
This
Was
Many
Years
Ago
This
Was
Ninety
Six
Was
It
I
Want
To
Say
Ninety
Six
And
Presented
It
At
Usenix
Ninety
Six
That
These
And
That
These
Ideas
Were
Developed
And
These
Number
Of
Passes
Were
Analyzed
And
Discussed
Now
Again
You
Were
Saying
Earlier
That
With
Modern
High
Drives
Some
Of
This
Has
Changed
So
I'm
Sorry
I
Kind
Of
Side
Tracked
You
From
NCASE
A
Little
Bit
There
But
Oh
No
That's
Fine
I
Mean
I
Was
Actually
Thinking
About
Talking
About
The
Specs
That
Are
Actually
Used
Commonly
In
Wiping
Software
But
We'll
Get
To
That
Later
Okay
But
Yeah
As
I
Said
I
Have
Used
NCASE
And
This
Program
It's
For
Very
Specific
Use
Even
Though
People
Tout
It
To
Be
Kind
Of
An
End
All
Be
All
Of
Programs
Sure
It
Can
Go
Through
And
Find
Deleted
Emails
That
You
Might
Have
In
Outlook
.
PST
File
But
That's
Not
Totally
What
It's
For
It's
Looking
For
Things
That
Have
Really
Been
Deleted
That
You
Have
Been
Implicated
For
Such
As
Things
Like
Child
Pornography
Pirated
Movies
Pirated
Music
Things
Of
That
Nature
They
Are
Not
Going
To
Really
Care
About
Your
Emails
Unless
They
Find
Data
In
There
That
Is
Pertinent
To
What
They
Are
Really
Looking
For
I
Mean
NCASE
Forensic
Edition
Is
Huge
It's
Got
A
Scriptable
API
That's
Actually
Based
On
C
Plus
And
Java
So
I
Know
A
Lot
Of
People
Out
There
Can
Use
It
Supports
Nearly
Every
Single
File
System
Known
To
Man
Including
Every
Single
One
That's
Included
In
Windows
VMware
Images
DD
Images
Certain
Palm
Devices
Certain
Rate
Arrays
Almost
Every
Single
Linux
File
System
Known
I
Mean
There's
Almost
Nothing
This
Program
Can't
Do
So
Like
I
Said
People
Say
It's
Kind
Of
A
Swiss
Army
Knife
Of
Forensics
And
That's
Both
True
And
False
Because
People
Will
Misuse
It
For
Extremely
Small
Things
That
They
Might
Need
To
Look
For
That
Can
Be
Accomplished
With
Other
Tools
Well
So
Is
This
Also
Is
This
The
One
That
You
Hear
Stories
Sometimes
About
How
Photos
Are
Recovered
From
Someone's
Camera
Phone
The
File
Systems
The
Palm
Devices
And
Things
Like
That
It
Can
Read
A lot
Of
Those
File
Systems
As
Well
Not
So
Much
On
The
Phones
But
For
The
Palms
Yes
They
Actually
Are
In
Cases
Working
On
A
Module
For
Mobile
Phones
Because
It
Has
Become
Such
A
Prevalent
Massive
Form
Of
Communication
In
The
Last
Ten
Years
And
There
Are
Actual
Forms
And
Websites
Devoted
To
Mobile
Forensics
And
That
Is
A
Huge
Burgeoning
Industry
As
It
Is
Right
Now
And
I'm
Sure
Though
That
It
Will
Read
Data
From
Like
A
Secure
Digital
Compact
Flash
Discs
And
Things
Like
That
Which
A
Lot
Of
Phones
Use
Oh
Yeah
It
Literally
Read
Just
About
Anything
You
Can
Throw
At
It
Interesting
And
How
About
This
API
You're
Talking
About
I'm
Not
Sure
I
Understand
What
That
Would
Be
Used
For
To
Write
A
Script
It's
Actually
Called
In
Script
And
Since
It's
Written
In
A
Way
Of
C
Plus
And
Java
That
Allows
A
Lot
Of
People
To
Easily
Write
Modules
Or
Plugins
For
It
To
Automate
Looking
For
Headers
Or
Certain
Hex
Offsets
Or
Byte
Offsets
They
Can
Actually
Find
In
The
Data
So
That
They
Don't
Have
To
Go
Through
And
Troll
Through
Everything
Sometimes
Gigs
Of
Data
To
Look
For
A
Picture
Yeah
That's
Useful
That's
Handy
I
Can
See
That
Yeah
I
Mean
Because
If
You
A
Lot
Of
These
Times
These
Things
Are
Used
On
Multi
Terabyte
Rate
Arrays
And
Who
Is
To
Sitten
Kludge
Through
A
Six
Terabyte
Array
When
You
Can
Have
A
Plug
In
Written
For
It
Already
Load
That
Up
And
It
Will
Actually
Automatically
Search
For
You
And
Shorten
Your
Time
To
Court
Well
Is
It
Six
Gigabytes
Of
Prawn
Yeah
But
Unless
You
Like
Five
Year
Old
I
Wouldn't
Look
At
It
Yeah
I'll
Pass
On
That
One
All
Right
Well
And
I
Know
We
Kind
Of
Said
This
About
Corporations
Or
Something
If
They
Lose
A
Server
An
Important
Data
On
Their
Hard
Drive
Some
Proprietary
Source
Code
Or
Something
Like
That
I'm
Sure
They're
Willing
To
Pay
Top
Dollar
To
Get
That
Data
Restored
Too
So
It's
Not
Always
Busting
Hackers
And
Child
Porn
Or
Sometimes
There's
Absolute
Valid
Reasons
To
Pull
Data
That
You
May
Have
Simply
Lost
From
A
Server
Crash
Yeah
In
Case
Enterprise
Is
Written
For
Large
Businesses
And
Corporations
In
Mind
For
System
Auditing
And
Compliance
For
Things
Such
As
HIPAA
But
Those
Are
Really
Used
For
Like
You
Said
Accidentally
Deleting
Something
And
Trying
To
Recover
It
But
I
Haven't
Seen
A
Lot
Of
Corporations
That
Use
It
Without
Actually
Contacting
A
Consultant
To
Do
This
For
Them
Instead
Because
Corporations
Frankly
Don't
Have
The
Time
To
Do
This
Yeah
And
There
Are
Quite
A
Few
Companies
That's
A
Good
Point
There
Are
Quite
A
Few
Companies
That
Is
Their
Sole
Business
Is
Data
Recovery
Services
There
Are
Companies
That
Make
Quite
A
Bit
Of
Money
Doing
Data
Recovery
Services
It's
A
Very
Lucrative
Business
And
If
You
Got
A
Little
Cash
Or
You
Can
Get
A
Good
Loan
You
Can
Get
Some
Hardware
For
It
Get
An
Electron
Microscope
And
You
Could
Pretty
Much
Be
Set
For
Life
If
You
Can
Figure
Out
This
Stuff
Yeah
And
I
Remember
I
Hate
Bringing
This
Up
Because
I
Don't
Remember
Exactly
Which
Software
Package
They
Tested
But
CNET
I
Think
It
Was
Did
A
Test
Where
They
Went
And
Bought
I
Don't
Know
100
Plus
Hard
Drives
And
Systems
Off
Of
Ebay
And
Then
Used
One
Of
These
Tools
To
Recover
And
They
Just
Talked
About
All
The
Data
They
Found
Just
Tons
And
Tons
Of
Prawn
Joking
Aside
They
Found
Tons
Of
Prawn
But
They
Found
You
Know
Credit
Card
Numbers
People's
Private
E-mails
Etc
Using
These
Tools
So
This
Is
Something
To
Think
About
If
You
Want
To
Sell
Something
Online
Or
Anything
Like
That
Be
Careful
What
You
May
Have
Left
On
There
Back
I
Don't
Want
To
Say
That
Is
Truly
Their
Name
But
They
Are
Actually
Under
The
Employ
Of
Western
Digital
And
A
Couple
Of
Other
Large
Companies
And
They
Did
An
Exact
Same
Test
Where
They
Literally
Bought
Hundreds
Of
Hard
Drives
Through
Incase
At
It
And
Compiled
The
Results
And
Said
That
Even
Most
People
Just
Do
A
Windows
Format
And
Think
That
Good
But
They
Actually
Did
Contact
The
Sellers
Of
These
Products
To
Let
Them
Know
That
Hey
Your
Solution
For
This
Is
Not
Adequate
Enough
To
Be
To
Be
Resold
As
Something
Else
And
You
Really
Need
To
Step
This
Up
Or
In
Less
Polite
Terms
You
Fucked
Up
Yeah
Oh
Yeah
But
They
Have
To
Say
It
And
Legally
Of
Gotcha
All
Right
Well
So
That's
A
Big
Swiss
Army
Knife
As
You
Said
That's
One
Of
The
Most
Popular
Ones
But
There's
Plenty
Of
Others
I
Believe
I
I'm
Not
As
Familiar
But
I
Certainly
Know
That
Several
Others
Exist
Oh
Yeah
The
Other
I've
Actually
Used
Two
Other
Forensic
Tool
Kits
That
Are
Really
Popular
In
The
Open
Source
Community
And
In
Some
Law
Enforcement
Institutions
The
First
One
Is
Actually
The
Coroner's
Tool
Kit
Or
TCT
It
Was
Originally
Written
In
1999
As
A
Proof
Of
Concept
For
Unix
Based
Programming
Class
By
A
Couple
Of
Guys
And
It
Was
Really
Kind
Of
The
First
I
Guess
Fuck
You
In
The
Face
Of
NCASE
Right
Exactly
Because
Up
Until
Then
There
Was
Really
Nothing
That
Could
Compete
With
It
That
Was
Open
And
Was
Free
Now
It
Not
Really
Updated
That
Much
Any
More
So
A
Guy
Named
Brian
Carrier
Actually
Started
Looking
At
The
Source
Code
And
Took
A
Couple
Of
Ideas
From
TCT
And
Actually
Wrote
What
Called
Sleuth
Kit
And
That
Is
From
Sleuth
Kit
Dot
Org
And
He
Took
Their
Tools
Mainly
They
He
Found
That
I
Mean
Using
All
These
Command
Line
Tools
Kind
Of
Got
Tevious
If
You
Need
To
Do
Something
Quickly
So
He
Wrote
A
Front
Into
It
Called
Autopsy
And
It
Is
Just
A
Fancy
Web
Interface
To
The
Sleuth
Kit
Toolkit
And
It
I
Think
In
A
Way
Autopsy
Is
A
Lot
Better
Than
In
Case
Because
It
Let
You
Add
Case
Numbers
Have
A
Chain
Of
Evidence
This
Is
What
I
Found
I
Actually
Handing
It
Over
To
Someone
Else
It
Does
A
Whole
Lot
That
I
Think
Law
Enforcement
Really
Uses
But
Can't
Find
In
Tools
Like
Encase
Very
Easily
And
Everything
In
Autopsy
Is
Right
Up
Front
It
In
Your
Face
About
What
Data
You
Can
Put
In
And
What
Data
It
Needs
And
What
Data
It
Found
And
I
Personally
Have
Used
It
Far
More
Than
Encase
Even
Though
I
Do
Own
Both
Of
Them
Interesting
It
Also
Helps
That
Sleuth
Kit
Autopsy
And
The
Coroner's
Toolkit
Are
Included
On
Most
Security
Live
CDs
Yeah
And
Something
Just
Popped
Into
My
Head
Too
I
Think
It
It's
Common
Knowledge
In
The
Forensics
Industry
I
Guess
To
Use
A
Term
That
The
Way
This
Happens
Is
Worth
Mentioning
Anyway
If
They
Let's
Say
They
Come
And
Bust
You
And
Take
Your
Computer
Or
Whatever
From
You
I
Know
That
It's
Very
Common
Policy
And
Heavily
Emphasized
Anyway
As
Part
Of
The
Standards
Of
How
To
Deal
With
It
Is
They
Know
Or
Look
To
See
What
Operating
System
If
Your
Computer
Is
On
When
They
Bust
You
They
Immediately
figure
Out
What
Operating
System
You're
On
And
Therefore
Either
Know
Or
Have
An
Idea
What
File
System
You're
Using
And
How
To
Turn
It
Off
In
Such
A
Way
That
It
Does
Destroy
Any
Data
Swap
Files
Anything
That's
In
Memory
Written
From
Written
In
Temporary
Space
Anything
Like
That
And
Part
Of
The
Policy
Is
To
Get
That
Hard
Drive
And
Not
Touch
Anything
On
It
To
Just
First
Thing
They
Do
Is
Make
A
Copy
Of
It
Make
An
Image
Of
It
And
Then
That's
What
They
Run
Through
These
Applications
They
Don't
Ever
Want
To
Touch
The
Original
Drive
So
That
There's
No
Accusations
Of
Changing
Data
Foul
Play
Or
Anything
They
Make
A
Copy
And
Run
These
Programs
Against
Them
Yeah
And
What
They
Usually
Do
Is
Use
Something
That's
Called
A
Write
Blocker
Incase
Includes
Fast
Block
SE
Which
Is
A
Software
Edition
Of
A
Popular
Hardware
Tool
Called
Fast
Block
But
There
Are
A
Couple
Other
Tools
That
Actually
Are
What
They
Call
Forensically
Sound
And
It's
Exactly
What
You
Said
It
Will
Image
Everything
That
Needs
To
Image
Without
Actually
Modifying
Or
Touching
The
And
These
Products
Are
I
Wish
I
Had
Some
But
They
Are
Extremely
Expensive
Alright
Well
What
Else
Is
There
Out
There
Now
Are
These
Open
Source
Are
These
Free
Are
These
I'm
Not
Sure
Yeah
The
Corners
Toolkit
Is
Open
Source
On
Its
Website
If
You
Go
To
Porcupine
Dot
Org
Slash
Forensics
Slash
Tom
Charlie
Tom
Dot
HTML
You
Can
Actually
Download
And
Get
The
Source
For
It
Since
It's
All
Pearl
Based
And
We
Should
Is
GPL
As
Well
And
That's
It
S
L
E
U
T
H
K
I
T
Dot
Org
And
I
Should
Just
Interrupt
And
Mention
That
We're
Throwing
A
Lot
Of
URLs
Out
On
This
On
This
Episode
I
Realized
So
These
Will
All
Be
Available
In
Show
Notes
Clickable
To
Every
One
Of
These
That
Was
Mentioned
So
Some
Of
These
URLs
Are
Longer
Than
Others
More
Difficult
To
Read
On
The
Air
So
We'll
Just
Make
All
These
Quick
To
Click
On
In
The
Show
Notes
And
Get
Them
Up
As
Soon
As
Possible
So
We'll
Avoid
Reading
As
The
Train
Passes
By
In
The
Background
There
Yeah
There's
The
Train
Our
First
Ever
Hobo
I
Got
On
A
While
A
Go
But
I
Guess
The
Guys
Coming
Across
An
Intersection
And
Used
To
Let
People
To
Know
To
Get
Out
The
Way
Gotcha
I
See
Well
Listen
When
You
Have
To
Jump
Off
The
Plane
When
It
Slows
Down
Make
Sure
You
Utilities
To
Help
I
Guess
Protect
You
From
Some
Of
This
Or
Maintain
Your
Privacy
From
Some
Of
These
Yeah
There's
I
Want
To
Talk
About
Two
Live
CDs
Really
Quickly
One
Is
Called
Fire
That's
The
Forensic
And
Incident
Response
Environment
Boot
CD
Basically
It's
Just
A
Linux
Live
CD
That
Contains
I
Think
It
Is
197
Or
200
Tools
On
It
Includes
A
Lot
Of
Things
Like
UPX
Packer
It
Includes
Sleuth
Kit
And
Autopsy
Something
Called
Fat
Back
Which
Is
A
DoD
Developed
Tool
For
Undileting
Files
From
Fat
File
Systems
Steg
Detect
Which
Is
Used
To
Detect
Other
Data
And
Images
For
Steg
And
A
Whole
Bunch
More
And
I
Actually
Never
Used
It
But
I
Have
A
Lot
Of
Friends
That
Do
Forensics
That
Tell
Me
It
Is
A
To
Speak
Of
Is
Helix
I
Personally
Use
This
One
It
Is
From
A
Company
Called
E
Sense
And
It
Is
Another
Security
Live
CD
But
It
Has
A
Twist
It
Is
A
Linux
Live
CD
With
The
Commonly
Available
Tools
That
And
This
Is
Used
For
Live
Data
Analysis
And
Imaging
And
It
Is
Forensically
Sound
According
To
The
Company
And
I
Used
It
Once
It
Work
And
I
Found
That
It
Was
Actually
Forensically
Sound
And
What
I
Was
Using
It
For
But
I
You
Had
Good
Luck
With
It
Worked
Yeah
I
Was
Actually
Trying
To
Back
Up
A
Girl's
Computer
At
Work
And
She
Said
She
Didn't
Want To
Obviously
Lose
Any
Of
Her
Data
But
She
Actually
Had
A
Virus
On
Her
Computer
That
Was
Spreading
To
Our
Network
Rather
Quickly
And
It
Was
Starting
To
Corrupt
Her
Windows
Installation
So
I
Had
To
Pop
Something
In
That
I
Had
Really
Quickly
To
Hopefully
Back
Up
Her
Data
To
Our
Network
Which
Helix
Actually
Helped
Me
A
Great
Deal
With
I
Was
A
To
Back
Up
I
Think
95%
Of
What
She
Wanted
Without
Any
Problems
Whatsoever
So
When
You
Were
Looking
Through
That
Partition
Later
On
Did
You
Find
Any
Other
Good
Never
Mind
Don't
Answer
That
Okay
I
Got
Ethics
Man
What
Are
You
Talking
About
Ethics
What
Is
That
There
Are
No
Ethics
When
It
Comes
To
Prawn
No
But
Like
I
Said
That
The
Only
One
That
Has
A
Windows
Part
Of
The
CD
To
Help
You
Do
This
In
Linux
And
It
Searches
Graphic
Files
Temp
Files
Temporary
Internet
Files
Just
About
Anything
You
Can
Think
Of
Okay
Good
Stuff
Good
Stuff
I
Think
Now
We
Did
An
Episode
Quite
A
Few
Years
Ago
On
Bootable
CDs
I
Do
Remember
Fire
Discussing
Fire
I
Don't
Remember
If
We
Talked
About
Helix
Before
But
I
Going
To
Information
In
Because
No
One
Has
Time
To
Sit
There
And
Write
A
Chain
Of
Custody
Form
By
Hand
Or
Write
A
Chain
Of
Evidence
Letter
By
Hand
That's
Interesting
It's
A
Nice
Little
Tool
I
Really
Think
It's
An
Excellent
Tool
And
It's
Pretty
Underrated
From
My
Experience
Especially
If
You
Have
To
Do
That
Frequently
Yeah
Well
I
Tell
You
What
Let's
Kind
Of
Segway
Then
From
The
Consumer
Side
I'm
Not
Sure
How
To
Word
It
The
Protection
Side
Of
Things
Is
The
Best
Way
To
Describe
It
Is
What
Can
We
Do
To
Protect
Our
Privacy
It's
One
Thing
To
Recover
Data
That
You
Want
To
Recover
But
If
You're
Willing
To
Take
That
Risk
You're
Confident
In
Your
Backups
Or
Something
Like
That
And
Actually
That's
Another
Interesting
Term
You
Can
Wipe
And
Secure
Your
Disk
All
You
Want
But
If
You
Leave
The
Backup
On
Another
Drive
That's
Not
Wiped
And
Not
Protected
You're
Pretty
Much
Screwed
But
That's
Neither
Here
Or
There
Kind of
Like
What
We
Mentioned
Earlier
About
Overwriting
Those
Files
And
How
Many
Passes
This
Is
Where
This
Really
Comes
Into
Play
Is
Writing
Over
There
However
Many
Times
You're
Going
To
Write
Over
It
To
Make
That
Data
Irrecoverable
Or
As
Close
To
Irrecoverable
As
Possible
And
Believe
It
Not
Even
Something
As
Simple
As
A
Defrag
Might
Actually
Help
You
Because
You
Are
Moving
Blocks
Around
You
Are
Reformatting
You're
Moving
Your
Data
Around
In
Your
Hard
Drive
To
Make
It
More
Efficient
And
Ironically
You
Could
Actually
Write
Over
Top
Of
Some
Old
Data
That
Way
So
That's
Kind
of
A
Good
Thing
If
You
Were
Thinking
About
Using
A
Deletion
Tool
To
Either
Delete
Certain
Files
Or
An
Entire
Partition
You
Could
Probably
Go
Back
After
That
And
Use
A
CD
Such
As
Win
PE
Or
Barts
PE
Or
Win
Ternals
Admin
Pack
2005
Which
Unfortunately
Is
Not
Free
To
Go
Back
And
Defrag
Your
Hard
Drive
Which
Moves
Everything
Around
Again
Just
To
Piss
Off
The
People
That
Are
Coming
After
Oh
Yeah
Because
I
Mean
If
They
Are
Coming
For
You
To
Look
For
Your
Data
And
You
Are
Having
To
Do
This
Quickly
There's
A
Good
Chance
They
Know
What
They're
Looking
For
Anyways
So
You're
Screwed
Anyways
Right
Yeah
Very
Much
The
Case
Most
Likely
Anyway
But
That's
Still
Not
To
Say
That
You
Shouldn't
Take
Some
Of
These
Precautions
There's
Nothing
Wrong
With
Protecting
Your
Privacy
And
Protect
Your
Data
Not
Only
From
You
Know
Potentially
Law
Enforcement
But
Quite
Honestly
If
You're
Working
At
A
Company
If
You're
Listening
To
This
And
Thinking
Of
This
From
A
Work
Aspect
We're
Not
Only
Talking
You
Know
Hackers
Worrying
About
Getting
Busted
Let's
Say
You're
At
Work
And
You
Want
To
Make
Sure
That
You're
You
Carry
Private
Source
Code
Or
Yeah
Source
Code
On
Your
Laptop
That
You
Work
On
Which
Actually
Hits
Pretty
Home
Pretty
Closely
To
Me
And
You
Don't
Want
To
Leave
It
In
An
Airport
And
Have
It
Fall
Into
The
Wrong
Hands
I
Guess
There's
A lot
Of
Corporate
Espionage
Out
There
Believe
It
Or
Not
It's
Not
Just
In
The
Movies
There
Are
People
That
Will
Play
Top
Dollar
For
Data
So
You
Leave
Your
Laptop
In
The
Airport
Do
You
Lose
It
Gets
Stolen
Whatever
You
Know
It
Be
Nice
To
Maybe
Use
These
Tools
In
Those
Cases
As
Well
So
The
First
One
Of
Course
We
Already
Mentioned
In
The
Email
In
The
Very
Beginning
And
That's
DBAN
Or
Derek's
Boot
And
Nuke
Which
Again
You
Had
Experience
With
This
Yeah
It's
Either
When
You
Download
It
It's
A
Floppy
Image
Or
They
Actually
Do
Have
A
CD
Image
Of
It
And
It's
Updated
Pretty
Frequently
But
It's
Usually
Just
Minor
Bug
Fixes
Because
You
Can't
Really
Change
The
Standards
That
It
Uses
Without
Writing
Your
Own
Standards
And
The
Standards
Of
Course
Are
Like
What
We
Were
Talking
About
Earlier
The
Three
Pass
The
Seven
Pass
The
Gutmann
35
Pass
Yeah
DBAN
Actually
Supports
Two
Different
Standards
Which
Is
The
DOD
5
2
Zero
Dash
22
M
Standard
And
The
Gutmann
Standard
And
We
Already
Talked
About
The
Gutmann
Standard
And
The
Fact
That
It's
Actually
A
35
Pass
Wipe
But
It's
Interesting
In
How
That
Breaks
Down
Because
It's
Actually
Not
As
Random
As
People
Think
It
Is
The
First
Four
Passes
Are
Just
Random
Zeros
And
Ones
But
Passes
Five
Through
Thirty
One
However
Are
Different
They
Throw
In
Random
Zeros
And
Ones
For
I
Think
One
To
Six
Flips
Of
The
Bits
And
Then
After
That
It's
Followed
By
One
To
Four
Different
Flips
Of
Hex
Just
To
Throw
In
A
Little
Twist
Into
It
But
As
I
Said
Earlier
Gutmann
Discourges
Using
His
Own
Method
On
Modern
Hardware
Because
You
Cannot
Know
What
Type
Of
Encoding
The
Hard
Drive
Is
Using
Without
Having
The
Proper
Tools
To
Figure
That
Part
Out
And
That's
At
Least
Fifteen
Hundred
That
You
Would
Have
To
Drop
Just
To
Figure
something
Out
But
The
DoD
Standard
Of
5220
22M
Is
The
Three
Paths
That
We
Were
Talking
About
Earlier
Each
Path
Consists
Of
Two
Whites
Which
Is
Writing
One
Then
Zeros
And
Then
Flipping
Zeros
To
One
And
The
Seventh
Path
Of
It
Is
Actually
A
Verification
Path
But
I
Don't
Know
If
This
Has
Been
Superseded
By
Another
DoD
Standard
I'm
Sure
It
Has
But
It
Was
Actually
Canceled
As
Of
2004
But
I
Never
I've
Never
Heard
Of
Them
Having
A
New
Standard
But
I'm
Pretty
Sure
They
Do
But
It's
Probably
Still
Classified
And
It's
Actually
What's
Called
Military
Grade
Spec
So
Of
Course
They
Can't
Release
You
To
The
General
Populous
Just
Yet
And
Those
Actually
Coordinate
With
Some
Terminology
Which
I'm
Not
Going
To
Claim
To
Know
But
Like
If
It's
I
Think
There's
Standard
For
Any
Government
Hard
Drive
Like
You
Know
Because
The
Government
Of
Course
Does
Resell
A lot
Of
Their
Equipment
After
It's
Done
So
If
The
Secretary's
Computer
Gets
Put
Out
For
Auction
At
Some
Point
They
Just
Use
A
Three
Pass
Generally
Depending
On
What
Kind
Of
Access
He
Or
She
Had
If
It's
A
Computer
That
Actually
Had
A
Little
Bit
More
Sensitive
Data
And
This
Is
Where
And
Again
I'm
Fuzzy
On
Term
That
Literally
Means
This
Is
What
You
Can
And
Cannot
Do
And
Do
And
Do
Not
Have
Access
And
These
Actually
Correspond
If
It's
A
Computer
That
Has
Top
Secret
Then
It's
Supposed
To
Use
The
Seven
Pass
Or
The
Thirty
Five
I'm
Not
Sure
Which
Goes
With
Which
But
These
Actually
Coordinate
With
Those
Yeah
Since
I'm
Not
Actually
In
The
Government
I
Can't
Tell
You
What
It
Is
But
If
You
Have
Something
That's
An
FYE
Classified
Drive
Or
Top
Secret
Classified
Drive
There's
A
Good
Chance
That
They're
Just
Going
To
Take
It
And
Incinerate
It
Instead
Because
It's
Cheaper
Yeah
And
I
Kind
Of
I
Think
I
Started
To
Talk
About
That
At
The
Very
Beginning
That
You
Know
What
If
You've
Got
Anything
On
There
Sensitive
That
You're
Really
Worried
About
Paranoid
Or
Otherwise
If
You're
Over
Paranoid
Or
Just
The
Cost
Of
Hard
Drives
These
Days
Is
So
Low
That
Really
The
Risk
Of
Reselling
It
If
You're
That
Paranoid
It's
Just
Not
Worth
It
You can
Buy
Another
And
Replace
It
Just
Really
Wipe
The
Hell
Out
Of
That
Old
Hard
Drive
Do
A
35
Pass
On
It
And
Again
Just
To
Put
In
Perspective
Like
A
Seven
Pass
Goes
Well
A
Three
Pass
Goes
Very
Fast
A
Three
Pass
I
Think
Is
Actually
Enough
That
You
Could
Probably
Integrate
That
With
The
Shell
Pretty
Easily
And
I
Think
A lot
Of
Those
Cheap
Crappy
Shovelware
The
Crap
You
Buy
In
Best
Buy
That's
Like
400
Anti
Hacker
Utilities
On
This
CD
Hackers
Will
Never
Bother
You
Again
Those
Crappy
Ones
They're
Usually
Built
In
It's
Like
Right
Click
To
Delete
Respicle
Band
Or
Stuff
Like
That
It's
Usually
Just
Doing
A
Quick
Three
Pass
It's
Almost
Invisible
Because
It
Can
Go
So
Quickly
And
Write
You
Know
And
Like
You
Said
Ones
And
Zeros
To
Simplify
It
What
It's
Doing
Is
X
Number
Of
Passes
Let's
Write
All
Ones
And
Then
Write
All
Zeros
And
Then
All
Ones
So
You
Keep
Flipping
Those
Bits
Back
And
For
And
With
That
Little
Variance
In
Every
One
Of
Them
When
You
Do
It
Seven
Times
It's
Very
Hard
To
Recover
Nine
Times
Twelve
Times
As
Many
The
More
Wipes
That
You
Do
The
Harder
It
Is
For
Them
To
Recover
That
Data
So
That
Is
Oversimplified
There
Are
Actually
Some
Algorithms
It's
Not
Simply
Zeros
And
Ones
Every
Single
Other
Pass
They
Do
Mix
In
Some
Different
Things
Based
On
What
The
Bit
Rate
Is
Or
What
The
Bits
Are
That
They
Want
To
Try
To
Flip
And
They
Don't
Want
To
Be
Uniform
Because
If
They're
Uniform
You
Can
Easily
Undo
It
And
Reverse
The
Whole
Process
So
There
Is
Some
Variance
In
The
Way
They
Do
It
But
For
Visualization
Sake
Just
Think
They're
Wiping
Over
And
Over
And
Over
And
Over
Again
To
Flip
Those
Bits
Around
Yeah
Like
You
Said
Some
Things
Do
Throw
In
Extra
Data
Which
Is
The
Gutmann
Spec
But
There's
Also
Another
One
That
Not
A
Lot
Of
Tools
Use
And
It's
Called
The
DoD
5200.28
Dash
STD
Standard
And
That's
Actually
The
Seven
Pass
Wipe
That
You
Keep
Referring
To
The
Seven
Okay
Yeah
But
It
Was
Also
Ratified
21
Years
Ago
And
From
What
I
Was
Able
To
Find
I
Couldn't
See
If
Anything
Has
Actually
Surpassed
It
Or
Superseded
It
But
I
Have
A
Feeling
That
5220
Dash
M
I
Mean
5220
Dash
22
M
Has
Actually
Superseded
It
But
I
Cannot
Find
Any
Data
Supporting
That
Claim
I
Thought
The
22
Was
The
Three
Pass
It
Is
Okay
But
The
Actual
5200.28
STD
Pass
Is
Seven
Passes
Of
Just
Random
Ones
And
Zeros
But
Like
I
Said
It
21
Years
Old
Technology
Has
Changed
A
Lot
Since
Then
So
It
Reliable
Usually
Sometimes
It
Not
Depending
On
What
Kind
Of
Hardware
They
Throw
At
Your
Drive
Gotcha
Another
Tool
That
Now
I
Personally
Use
This
One
As
Well
And
It
Works
Pretty
Well
But
It
Perverts
The
Guttman
Technique
Over
The
5220-22M
Standard
But
It
Is
Also
One
Of
The
Tools
That
Actually
Includes
The
5200.28
STD
Standard
Since
It
Is
So
Old
I
Don
Know
Why
They
Chose
To
Include
It
But
They
Did
Now
I
Actually
Like
The
Program
Because
It
Is
Windows
Based
And
Back
When I
Was
Using
It
I
Was
Primarily
Windows
Based
But
The
Program
Hasn't
Been
Updated
In
Four
Years
So
It's
Kind
Of
A
Hit
Or
Miss
Whether
You
Want
To
Use
It
Or
Not
Versus
Something
Like
DBAN
Which
Was
Just
Updated
I
Think
Within
The
Last
Two
Weeks
Yeah
And
Actually
That's
Another
Kind
Of
Point
To
Bring
Up
Here
Is
There
Is
No
There
Is
No
Oh
Gosh
I
Don't
Know
What
The
Word
Is
There's
No
Discrimination
Here
On
Windows
Tools
Versus
Linux
Tools
Which
Is
Better
Which
Is
Whatever
You
Should
Be
Using
Linux
No
You
Need
Whatever
It
Is
To
Wipe
The
Operating
System
In
Question
So
It's
Not
Like
Whether
One's
Better
Than
The
Other
Or
Which
One's
Got
More
Of
This
That
Or
The
Other
It's
Which
One
Works
On
The
Operating
System
That
You're
Interested
In
So
It's
Not
Comparing
Across
OS's
It's
Not
We're
Not
Saying
That
Anyone's
Better
Than
Another
One
It's
Just
Listing
A lot
Of
The
Options
That
Are
Out
There
Yeah
You
Really
Can't
Compare
Any
Of
These
Tools
Whether
They're
Linux
Based
Or
Windows
Based
And
Saying
Oh
Something
On
Linux
Is
Better
Versus
Something
Like
DBAN
Or
BC
White
Which
Are
For
Windows
And
Saying
It's
Better
Because
You
Can't
They
Use
The
Exact
Same
Standards
And
A
Standard
Is
A
Standard
Which
Is
Why
It's
Called
A
Standard
You
Can't
Change
It
It's
Set
Unless
They've
Got
Like
And
You
Mentioned
Earlier
Unless
They've
Got
Some
Kind
Of
Customized
Algorithm
That
They've
Come
Up
With
But
I
I've
Never
Heard
Of
Any
That's
More
Secure
Or
Better
Than
Those
Ones
We've
Already
Mentioned
Several
Times
Already
Yeah
BC
White
Actually
Does
Let
You
Customize
Passes
That
You
Do
Like
You
Can
Do
One
Section
With
Do
D
5220
That's
22
M
Then
You
Could
Do
A
Pass
With
Guttman
And
Then
Follow
That
With
The
Pass
Of
The
22M
Again
But
That's
Going
To
Take
A
Long
Time
Yeah
I'm
Not
Sure
What
That's
Going
To
Accomplish
Actually
Or
For
That
Matter
Chaining
A
Seven
Pass
DoD
With
Another
Seven
Pass
DoD
Followed
By
Another
Pass
Of
Seven
I
Mean
I
Don't
Know
That
You're
I
Guess
You're
Wiping
It
You're
Doing
That
Many
More
Wipes
So
I
Guess
It's
Certainly
Going
To
Be
Some
What
Helpful
But
I
Don't
Know
If
There's
A
Diminishing
Returns
At
Some
Point
Well
In
Guttman's
Paper
That
He
Wrote
On
Deletion
Of
Data
From
Solid
State
Memory
And
Hard
Drives
He
Actually
Pointed
Out
That
You
Can
Keep
Doing
These
And
It
Will
Help
Your
Odds
But
It's
All
Point
Of
Doing
It
Versus
Time
You
Can
Do
It
All
Day
But
If
You
Don't
Have
The
Time
You
Need
Something
That
Works
Quick
Yeah
It's
A
Real
Balance
You
Gotta
Work
Out
Yeah
I
Think
We've
Kind
Of
Started
In
That
Direction
Several
Times
Tonight
The
Time
Involved
To put it
In
Perspective
The
Three
Pass
Can
Be
Pretty
Quickly
Almost
Invisible
To
The
Operating
System
It'll
Just
Be
An
Extra
Hesitation
When
It
Writes
Three
Times
Over
Something
And
Deletes
It
Again
But
Or
Actually
I guess
It doesn't
Really
Have
To
Delete
It
Again
But
That
Opposed
To
A
Seven
The
Way
I
Have
Most
Of
My
System
Set
Up
Is
I
Have
My
Recycle
Bin
Set
Up
That
When
I
Empty
It
It's
Not
Actually
I
Have
An
Erase
It
Will
Automatically
Do
A
Seven
Pass
Anything
That
I
Delete
From
The
Recycle
Bin
Now
Again
We
Mentioned
Earlier
That
With
The
Right
Software
That
Can
Be
Recovered
But
For
Me
I'm
Satisfied
With
That
It's
Better
Than
Just
Emptying
The
Recycle
Bin
So
It's
Something
And
The
Time
That
It
Takes
Is
An
Extra
30
Seconds
To
A
Minute
Depending
On
How
Many
Big
Files
You've
Deleted
Maybe
Five
Minutes
If
You've
Got
An
ISO
Or
Two
In
There
But
The
35
Pass
I've
Run
A
35
Pass
On
All
My
Free
Space
On
My
Hard
Drive
Before
Left
It
Running
Overnight
Probably
10
To
20
Gigs
And
It
Was
Still
Running
And
I
Don't
Even
Think
It
Was
Half
Way
So
You're
Talking
About
Writing
20
Gigs
Of
Data
And
Then
Writing
Another
20
Gigs
Of
Data
With
These
Algorithms
Then
Another
20
Gigs
It's
Slow
It
Takes
A
Long
Time
To
Do
The
35
Pass
So
Excellent
Point
You know
The
Time
The
Trade
Off
Between
Time
And
Security
And
That's
You know
What
Not
Only
With
Data
Forensics
And
Data
Recovery
That's
True
Of
Anything
Security
Related
The
More
Time
You
Want
To
Put
Into
It
The
More
Secure
You
Can
Be
And
That's
A
Universal
Truth
In
Security
But
It's
Successful
They
Will
Be
Breaking
It
Well
That
Would
Be
You
Know
There's
The
Infinite
Monkey
Theory
Of
Course
Of
Course
And
If
You
Don't
Know
What
That
Is
Google
It
You'll
Find
An
Interesting
Little
Story
There
Yahoo
It
Since
You
Hate
Google
Yahoo
It
MSN
It
A9
It
Whatever
You
Want
Whatever
Floats
Your
Boat
Or
You
Can
Use
A
Search
Engine
Of
Choice
There
You
Go
All
Well
Did
You
Have
A
Couple
More
We'll
Kind
Of
Let's
See
We've
Still
Got
A
Little
Time
If
You
Wanted
To
Talk
About
Some
I
Don't
Know
If
You
Have
Any
Other
Examples
Yeah
I
Just
Wanted
To
Talk
About
Two
More
Actually
Linux
Based
Tools
One
Is
Called
Shred
And
It's
Actually
Available
In
Almost
Every
Single
Modern
Distribution
That's
Linux
Based
But
It
Has
A
Huge
Problem
It's
So
If
Using
Riser
Or
XFS
Or
Anything
Like
That
This
Won't
Work
If
You've
Got
Hardware
Or
Software
Raid
This
Won't
Work
And
If
By
God
You're
Using
NFS
For
Some
Reason
This
Isn't
Going
To
Work
Either
But
It
Uses
A
Mode
That
I
Couldn't
Actually
Find
A
Lot
Of
Information
About
It's
Maybe
Their
Own
Algorithm
Of
25
Passes
And
Each
Pass
Is
Actually
A
Different
Pattern
That
It
Uses
Like
The
Guttman
Technique
You
Can
Google
Up
His
Paper
And
See
That
Pass
5
Through
31
Is
Going
To
Be
The
Same
Thing
Every
Single
Time
But
This
25
Pass
I
Couldn't
Find
Any
Information
About
So
I
Can't
Tell
You
What
It
Does
Pass
1
Through
25
Or
Pass
8
Through
12
But
It's
An
Old
Tool
Like
I
Said
It's
In
A
Linux
And
If
You
Just
Need
To
Like
One
File
That's
What
It's
Good
For
And
The
Last
One
I
Want
To
Talk
About
Is
THC
Secure
Delete
Now
I'm
Sure
Some
Of
You
Actually
Heard
The
Name
THC
And
Know
It
Has
Nothing
To
Do
With
Pot
It's
Actually
From
The
Hackers
Choice
Which
Is
An
Old
Hackers
Group
That's
Been
Around
For
Probably
Over
A
Decade
Now
It
Includes
Four
Different
Tools
Called
SRM
S
Swamp
Smilm
And
S
Fill
Each
One
Of
Them
Obviously
Do
A
Different
Little
Bit
Different
Thing
Things
Like
S
Fill
Just
Fills
The
Hard
Drive
With
Garbage
Data
The
Garbage
File
Yeah
It
Just
Creates
One
Giant
Garbage
File
For
Your
Gibson
Awesome
That's
A
Great
Thing
For
Hackers
Right
Exactly
And
What
Secure
Delete
Actually
Touches
On
Something
That
Some
Of
These
Other
Programs
Don't
Really
Get
Into
Which
Is
RAM
Wiping
Because
A
Lot
More
People
In
Forensics
Using
NCASE
And
Other
Tools
Are
Now
Delving
Deep
Into
The
RAM
To
See
What
Is
Currently
In
RAM
And
What
Might
Be
In
Your
Virtual
RAM
Because
Obviously
Those
Things
Are
Still
In
RAM
They
Are
Still
Loaded
They
Haven't
Been
Cashed
Out
And
They
Haven't
Been
Pushed
Off
The
Stack
Or
Anything
So
They
Know
Exactly
What
You
Were
Looking
At
The
Time
They
Came
In
Or
At
The
Time
They
Analyzed
That
But
The
Command
SMM
Wipes
Your
RAM
Completely
The
Only
Problem
I
Actually
Found
With
This
Tool
Is
Like
I
Said
It
Was
Standard
I
Couldn't
Find
It
Out
But
Knowing
The
Guys
At
THC
It
Probably
Something
Pretty
Hairy
And
Another
Good
Point
Is
The
Memory
I
Mean
We
All
Know
Windows
And
How
It
Handles
Memory
And
Swap
Files
And
Things
Like
That
But
A
Good
Example
Of
Something
Like
That
Would
Be
A
Password
Or
An
Encryption
Key
If
You
Got
An
Encrypted
Hard
Drive
It
Memory
That
Could
Be
Very
Useful
For
Obvious
Reasons
Yeah
And
Since
We
Talked
About
What
A
Journaling
File
System
Does
Earlier
In
The
Show
I
Do
Want
To
Point
Out
That
Aside
From
Encase
And
A
Few
Of
The
Other
More
Developed
Tools
Such
As
Sleuth
Kit
Almost
Nothing
Will
Work
Forensically
On
A
Journal
File
System
To
Recover
Not
Recover
But
Wipe
Data
Now
Not
Too
Many
Things
Forensic
Tools
Actually
Do
Support
Reading
A
Journal
File
System
So
If
You
Using
That
You
Sort
Of
Got
A
Leg
Up
On
The
Competition
Already
But
Like
I
Said
Encase
Definitely
Works
On
Reiser
And
X
FF
So
Be
Careful
What
You
Do
With
These
Tools
Be
Careful
What
You
Doing
If
You
Are
Actually
Thinking
About
This
In
The
First
Place
Right
And
Actually
I
Guess
That's
Well
The
Tools
For
Protecting
Yourself
Are
There's
Several
Free
Ones
Out
There
Open
Source
Ones
Etc
And
Which
Is
Great
And
You
Know
We
Always
Support
That
Some
Of
The
Forensic
Tools
Are
As
Well
But
As
We
Said
Earlier
Things
Like
Encase
Which
Is
One
Of
The
Most
Commonly
Used
Ones
That
And
The
Time
Involved
To
Go
Through
All
This
Data
And
Stuff
Like
That
It's
No
Small
Feat
This
Is
Not
Something
That
Is
Easy
To
Do
This
Is
Not
Even
As
Easy
I
Mean
I
Think
If
Anybody
Has
Ever
Restored
Like
An
Entire
System
From
Backup
You
Know
What
A
Pain
It
Is
To
Do
That
Doesn't
Even
Cast
A
Shadow
On
The
Hassle
It
Is
To
Go
Through
These
Hard
Drives
And
Try
To
Recover
This
Data
And
Figure
Out
There
It's
Not
Always
As
Clean
As
Clicking
The
Button
Letting
The
Software
Run
And
Then
Magically
You're
Back
Where
You
Started
From
There's
A
Lot
Of
Hit
And
Miss
And
Mixed
Results
In
There
So
That
Being
Said
This
Is
Not
Something
That
They're
Just
Going
To
Do
To
Everybody
That
They
Bust
Every
Hard
Drive
Every
You
Know
They
Bust
You
For
I
Don't
Know
They
Come
In
Else
They
Couldn't
Legally
Anyway
But
That's
A
Whole
Another
Story
They
Probably
If
They
Wanted
To
So
They're
Not
Just
Going
To
Use
This
Arbitrarily
Think
You
Know
Fishing
Or
Stabbing
In
The
Dark
They
Really
Have
To
Want
Something
Pretty
Bad
And
Want
You
For
A
Pretty
Specific
Reason
For
Them
To
Go
Through
This
Trouble
So
If
You're
Into
Doing
Something
Like
That
I
Mean
Then
You
Should
Be
Thinking
Very
Seriously
About
Doing
35
Passes
And
You
Should
Think
Very
Seriously
About
Physical
Destruction
Physical
Demolition
Of
The
Hard
Drive
And
It's
Probably
That
Could
Be
A
Whole
Another
Episode
And
Maybe
It
Will
Be
But
Physically
Destroying
The
Hard
Drive
I
Mean
You
Can
Go
Out
On
The
Global
Interweb
And
You
Can
Find
Lots
Of
Stories
I
Seen
I
Was
Reading
About
Someone
Who
Crashed
Their
Car
Into
A
Lake
Or
Something
And
It
Was
Submerged
Under
Water
For
Five
Or
Six
Days
And
They
Pulled
The
Hard
Drive
Out
And
Were
Able
To
Recover
The
Data
Off
Of
It
I
Saw
Somewhere
A
House
Burned
Down
And
The
Laptop
Computer
Was
Burned
Down
In
The
Fire
It
Was
Burnt
Pretty
Bad
The
Laptop
Was
But
They
Were
Able
To
Recover
Most
Something
And
Were
Still
Able
To
Recover
Most
Of
The
Data
Except
The
Part
That
Was
Obviously
Physically
Missing
Where
The
Bullet
Penetrated
The
Drive
Yeah
Last
Week
I
Actually
Wrote
In
An
Email
About
The
Email
About
Physically
Destroying
A
Drive
I
Read
Not
A
Study
But
An
Article
On
How
The
DoD
Recovered
A
Drive
From
Afghanistan
That
Had
Been
Shot
With
An
AK
47
Now
They
Plopped
It
Underneath
An
Electron
Microscope
Started
Delving
Into
The
Magnetic
Bits
And
They
Were
Able
To
Recover
Every
Single
Bit
Of
Information
From
That
Hard
Drive
Except
Where
It
Had
Been
Shot
But
Given
All
The
Data
They
Already
Had
They
Were
Pretty
Much
Able
To
Piece
Together
What
Was
Missing
From
The
Giant
Hole
In
The
Hard
Drive
So
Unless
You
Are
Going
To
Plan
On
Sticking
Your
Hard
Drive
In
An
Incinerator
Or
If
You
Have
Something
Like
Thermite
And
If
You
Have
That
Where
Did
You
Get
It
And
You
Gotta
Be
Careful
With
It
Kind
Of
Like
And
Speaking
Of
That
I'm
Sorry
To
Go
Back
I meant
To
Say
This
Very
Much
Earlier
That
Derek's
Boot
Nuke
You
Know
I
Think
We
Said
Something
About
You
Know
If
You
Are
Paranoid
I
Think
The
Email
Said
That
If
You
Really
Paranoid
Keep
It
In
Your
Hard
Drive
In
Case
You
Need
It
An
Emergency
But
Be
Damn
Careful
About
It
Don't
Accidentally
Wipe
Yourself
Out
You
Know
Exactly
I
Mean
You
Have
To
Be
Careful
With
Any
Of
These
Wiping
Tools
Because
One
Wrong
Click
One
Wrong
Disc
We
Will
Not
Be
Held
Responsible
Here
At
Binary
Revolution
Radio
For
Any
Fuck
Up
You
Have
Done
Of
Your
Hard
Drive
Exactly
But
If
You
Really
Physically
Wanted
To
Get
Rid
Of
It
You
Know
I
Do
Still
Think
That
Fire
Is
A
Pretty
Good
Way
Because
If
You're
Physically
Burning
Away
I
Mean
Just
Setting
It
On
Fire
And
Thinking
That's
It
No
But
Maybe
Burning
It
Soaking
It
In
Gasoline
Oil
Burning
It
Really
Hard
Core
So
That
It
Melts
Into
A
Slag
Going
To
Be
Something
That's
Going
To
Be
Damn
Near
Impossible
To
Recover
Yeah
It's
Got
To
Be
Something
High
Temperature
Like
Incineration
Otherwise
They might
Be able
To
Get
Something
Off
Those
Platters
They
Can
Recover
You
Could
Even
Probably
Wow
This
Would
Make
A
Great
Episode
Of
Hack
TV
Somebody
Out
There
Who
Wants
To
Try
This
You
Could
Probably
Take
A
Chainsaw
To
That
Bad
Boy
And
Shredded
Up
Into
Just
As
Fine
Of
A
Grain
As
You
Can
Cross
Cut
That
Bad
Boy
Into
Mince
Meat
Technically
There's
Still
Surface
Area
That
Could
Be
Data
Could
Be
Pulled
Off
Of
But
They'd
Have
To
Really
Do
A
Lot
Of
Reassembling
They'd
Have
To
Really
Want
You
Pretty
Damn
Bad
You'd
Have
To
Osama
Bin
Laden
Himself
For
Them
To
Go
To
The
Trouble
Of
Doing
That
But
They
Could
Reconstruct
That
Theoretically
And
I
Bet
You
They
Could
Get
Quite
A
Bit
Off
Of
There
Except
For
The
Part
That
You
Actually
Shaved
Through
With
That
Was
Physically
Missing
Yeah
But
Like
You
Said
They
Would
Really
Need
To
Be
Going
After
You
Have
To
Like
A
Global
Child
Pornography
Smudge
Peddler
For
Them
To
Be
Going
After
You
And
Spend
Probably
Months
Reconstructing
Your
Hard
Drive
Itself
So
If
You
Fit
That
Description
Get
To
Work
Get
Out
There
Quickly
Osama
If
You're
Listening
Better
Get
To
Work
On
That
Quick
Oh
And
By
The
Way
Fuck
You
Cock
Smoking
Bastard
I
Thought
I'd
Get
That
Out
There
Why
Not
Fucker
Anyway
So
Bottom
Line
Is
Yeah
They're
Not
Going
To
Waste
Their
Time
Drive
That
Come
In
They
Don't
Have
A
The
Manpower
Time
To
Do
It
And
They
Don't
Have
The
Equipment
Those
Electron
Microscopes
That
You
Referred
To
Earlier
Those
Are
Not
Cheap
They're
Very
Slow
I
Mean
You're
Taking
A
Microscope
And
Going
Bit
By
Bit
Reconstructing
Stuff
It's
Slow
Stuff
It's
Expensive
You
Really
Have
To
Be
Somebody
There
Willing
To
Put
The
Time
If
It Takes
You A
Hardcore
Shit
You're
Probably
Fine
And
I
Think
You said
This
Earlier
If
You're
Doing
Some
Hardcore
Shit
They're
Probably
Already
Watching
You
Anyway
You're
Already
Screwed
Yeah
They
Know
What
You
Have
Already
So
Even
Destroying
It
Is
Going
To
Be
Another
Offense
Added
To
Your
Record
Because
That's
Actually
Destruction
Of
Evidence
And
Obstruction
Of
Justice
Which
You
Do
That
You're
Fuck
Yeah
But
You
Know
What
Yeah
That's
You
Gotta
Take
That
Chance
Of
Course
I'm
Not
Condoning
This
But
My
Personal
Opinion
Is
If
You're
In
That
Deep
The
Least
Charge
That
You
Need
To
Be
Worried
About
Is
Tampering
With
Evidence
If
You're
Into
Something
Else
And
You
Can
Get
Off
With
That
You're
In
Good
Shape
Yeah
Because
If
You're
Going
To
Start
Tampering
With
Evidence
And
Versus
I don't
Know
Child
Pornography
Not
Only
Are
You're
Going
Into
Pound
Federal
Pound
Me
In
The
Ass
Prison
But
You're
Going
There
With
A
Pedophile
Flag
On
Your
Head
Too
So
They're
Probably
Going
To
Kill
You
On
The
First
Week
You're
There
Yeah
If
You
Even
Make
It
That
Long
Exactly
Wow
I
Think
We've
Had
More
Pedophilia
Talk
On
This
Episode
Than
We've
Ever
Had
Binary
Revolution
Radio
I
Think
That's
Pretty
Disturbing
And
I
Think
After
This
Show
I'm
Going
To
Get
A
New
Handle
And
Probably
Move
A
Couple
States
I
Think
I'm
Going
To
Wipe
My
Hard
Drive
35
Times
Just
Because
They
Might
Come
Following
Up
On
Us
For
The
Topic
Oh
Well
Alright
Let's
Close
Things
Up
Here
Wow
I
Think
That
Was
A
Nice
Full
Show
There
I
Wish
We
Had
Time
For
That
Trio
700
Review
But
I
Guess
We'll
Do
That
Another
Day
No
Well
What
Are
You
Can't
Please
Everybody
You
Can't
Please
All
Of
The
People
All
The
Time
You
Know
I
Get
A lot
Of
People
That
You
Know
Say
They
Don't
Like
This
About
The
Show
Or
They
Wish
We
Touched
On
These
Topics
More
Or
These
Topics
Less
But
You
Know
What
Until
You
Have
Actually
Done
It
Is
Not
Nearly
As
Easy
As
People
Think
To
Come
Up
With
A
Lot
Of
Good
Topics
And
To
Come
Up
With
People
That
Are
Knowledgeable
I
Don't
Mind
When
People
Say
These
Kind
Of
Things
I
Take
Advice
I
All
For
Trying
To
Make
The
Show
Better
And
Listening
To
Everyone's
Opinion
But
The
Bottom
Line
The
Thing
That
Really
Kind
Is
I
Find
Comedic
Now
I
Find
It
Very
Funny
Is
That
After
All
Of
This
Stuff
They
Will
Give
You
All
This
Advice
You
Should
Do
This
You
Should
Do
This
And
You
Say
Okay
Why
Don't
You
Come
On
This
Episode
And
Help
Me
Oh
Well
Because
I
Can't
I
Don't
Have
Time
I
Don't
Know
That
I
Can
Talk
About
This
I
Don't
To
Everybody
Got
Opinions
But
You
What
Put
Up
Or
Shut
Up
Actions
Speak
Louder
Than
Words
And
We
Need
More
Action
In
The
Hacking
Community
We
Need
More
Action
In
The
Bin
Rev
Community
And
I
Need
More
Action
In
My
Personal
Life
So
If
Any
Ladies
Out
There
Would
Like
To
Send
Me
No
I'm
Just
Joking
I'm
Not
Joking
But
I am
Joking
Well
It's
Craigslist
I'm
Sure
You
Can
Find
Just
About
Anything
There
Right
Exactly
Okay
So
Yeah
Let's
Close
It
Up
Here
And
On
A
Serious
Note
You
Know
I
Know
This
Is
Kind
Of
Corny
But
I've
Done
This
Every
Year
Three
Years
I've
Been
Doing
The
Show
This
Is
Going
To
Be
Almost
By
The
Day
Before
Next
Show
This
Is
Tuesday
The
23rd
But
Coming
Up
Monday
Six
Days
From
Today
Is
Memorial
Day
Which
Is
An
Important
Holiday
It
Is
Something
Very
Sincere
Just
If
You're
Listening
To
This
Right
Now
Just
Pop
Up
Google
I
Know
You're
Listening
On
The
Computer
And
Your
Headphones
Are
Sitting
There
At
Your
Desktop
Your
Desktop
Whatever
Pop
Open
Google
And
Do
A
Quick
Search
For
Memorial
Day
Or
Just
Go
To
Wikipedia
I'm
Sure
There's
A
Memorial
Day
Entry
Just
Read
About
What
Memorial
Day
Is
Just
Understand
What
It
Is
It's
Not
Just
A
Day
Off
Of
Work
You
Know
It
Doesn't
Hurt
To
Know
A
Little
Bit
About
What
The
Day
Is
About
So
Please
Go
Out
There
And
Just
Do
Two
Minutes
Just
Do
A
Two
Minute
Read
Find
Out
What
It's
About
And
That's
I
Think
Would
Be
A
Good
A
Good
Thing
To
Do
On
Such
A
Nice
Holiday
I
Agree
And
I
Think
Any
Vets
You
Know
Call
Them
Write
Them
Or
Walk
Up
To
Them
On
The
Street
And
Say
Thank
You
Thank
You
It's
Nothing
Just
A
That's
What
Memorial
Day
Is
About
So
Okay
What
Else
Let's
See
Shout
outs
Do
You
Want
To
Go
First
Or
You
Want
Me
To
Stall
For
You
Want
Me
To
Go
First
All
Right
Well
My
Shouts
This
Week
Actually
Some
Good
Shout
Outs
First
Of
All
To
Kadarian
Who
Is
Our
New
Show
Notes
Writer
So
Congratulations
To
Kadarian
We're
Catching
Up
On
Some
Of
The
Show
Notes
Lotta
Work
And
Have
To
Give
Out
Congratulations
To
Black
Ratchet
Who
Is
Now
Shackled
For
The
Rest
Of
His
Life
Black
Ratchet
Congratulations
My
Friend
Take
Your
Hiatus
And
Enjoy
All
The
Perks
That
Come
With
All
Of
That
And
What
Kind
Of
Shouts
Do
You
Got
Do
You
Have
A
Shout
Out
To
Freak
Nurse
My
Girlfriend
Be
Or
561
Of
Course
Coworker
And
Channel
Disguise
Tell
Skanknesia
I said
Hi
I
Sure
Will
All
Right
And
Let's
See
Site
Of
The
Week
This
Week
Is
Zillow
Dot
Com
Z
I
L
O
W
Dot
Com
All
Your
Home
Value
Docs
Have
Been
Dropped
Go
Check
That
Site
Out
It
Will
Tell
You
How
Much
Your
House
Is
Your
Neighbor's
House
Your
Friend's
House
Your
Enemies
House
Your
Whatever
And
It
Is
All
Kind
Of
The
Fly
Which
Is
Kind
Of
Cool
In
A
Perverse
Way
Yeah
And
I
Got
Two
Sites
Of
The
Week
I
Want
To
Talk
About
Oh
Man
You
Got
Sites
Of
The
Week
Of
One
Is
Tinyurl.com
No
Slash
Lugle
That's
L
U
G
As
In
Golf
He
Is
An
Echo
L
Okay
What
Is
That
You
Are
Going to
Tell us
What
It
Is
What
You
Are
Going to
Tell us
What
It
Is
You
Can't
Drop
A
Tiny
URL
Without
Telling
Us
What
It
Is
Yeah
But
Where's
The
Fun
In
That
It's
Actually
A
Website
Called
Buzz
Surf.com
Telling
You
How
To
Create
A
Tunnel
Through
Your
Network
Wherever
You
May
Be
To
Get
Around
Your
Firewalls
Oh no
It
Doesn't
I
Promise
Okay
And
The
Other
Site
Is
Band
Names
Not
Brand
Names
This
Is
A
Personal
Pump
For
Myself
This
Is
The
Website
I
Been
Doing
The
Actual
Website
Address
Is
Bravo
Nova
Bravo
Nova
Dot
Com
Yeah
It's
Really
Repetitive
But
Screw
You
It's
Just
A
Bunch
Of
Music
Reviews
About
CDs
That
I
Bought
And
Things
Like
That
I
Have
An
Opinion
And
I
Am
Going
To
Voice
It
Alright
And
Speaking
Of
Music
Our
Closing
Music
Tonight
You
And
I
Have
Different
Tastes
In
Music
So
I
Figured
I'll
Let
You
Pick
Out
The
Closing
Music
Tonight
Of
In
Some
Cases
Progressive
Black
Metal
And
If
You
Like
The
Song
Go
To
Last
Dot
FM
Slash
User
Slash
To
Biz
For
More
Of
My
Recommendations
On
This
And
The
Song
Is
Actually
Called
Last
Of
My
Kind
Enjoy
And
Is
This
Is
Like
A
Baby
Killing
Death
Metal
Stomping
On
Puppies
Kind
Of
Heavy
Thrashing
Destroy
Everything
Rock
Or
What
Not
This
Song
But
I
Was
Trying
To
Find
One
Like
That
But
You
Kind
Of
Didn't
Like
The
Other
Ones
I
Picked
Out
This
Is
A
Song
About
Being
The
Last
Of
The
Transylvanian
Princes
Such
As
Vlad
Tepas
The
Third
Which
Is
A
Huge
Reoccurring
Theme
In
All
Of
Their
Songs
Oh
My
Goodness
All
Right
Well
Enjoy
That
And
If
You
Have
Feedback
On
This
Or
Any
Episode
Or
Just
Want
To
Chat
For
Whatever
Reason
Or
Send
Me
Naked
Pictures
Of
Yourself
If
You're
A
Hot
Chick
Send
Them
To
Radio
At
Bin
Rev
Dot
Com
And
We
Are
Going
To
Wrap
It
Up
We're
Going
To
Throw
This
Closing
Music
On
And
We've
Got
Pretty
Much
A
Full
Show
As
Matter
Of
We're
A
Little
Bit
Over
So
To
This
Thank
You
Again
For
Being
On
The
Show
And
We
Will
See
Or
Hear
Or
You
Will
Hear
Us
Next
Week
Same
Hack
Time
Same
Hack
Channel
Time
Everything has changed or lost in the world.
So the truth is the problem I do is to keep.
To my life, I will be with you.
All you have, you must be my kind.
Let us all be true to you.
There is no one who brought me sick to my own.
In the storm of time, I am done.
Let us all be true to you.
There is no one who brought me sick to my own.
Thank you.