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I am the Crypt Keeper
I don't, I'm not the Crypt Keeper, I don't know what the hell
I am a very bad, scary monster
Because today is 6-6-0-6
The show of the devil
Oh, that's the worst opening ever
And it's not doing justice to one of our long time friends
But first time co-host on the show
Right Coast, welcome to the show
Hey Stank
That's not a scary voice
I'm on my own on this scary voice thing
That's okay
The 6-6-6 episode
I can do the Beavis Crypt Keeper
Here's a little tale from my nutsack
I definitely can't keep that voice up the whole time
Because I'll end up straining my voice
I do have a nice tea handy
And I just have a little sip right there
But I am not going to be able to keep that up the whole show
Luckily, I don't have to
Because once again, we're continuing with one of our new changes to the show
Actually, more changes
We're going to continue the new format that we started last week
And even a few more
We're slowly integrating some changes in there
And one change that we've been talking about doing for quite a while now
Is moving the email section towards the end of the show
Because we want to make sure that we give the main topic plenty of time
And sometimes, not all the time, but sometimes
The emails will tend to run a little bit long
And we might have to wrap up the main topic early
So by doing this, we won't have to worry about that anymore
And to the same end, we are also going to completely get rid of
Completely and utterly destroy the show and tell portion of the show
Because nobody really cares
Nobody cares what I'm doing
So, we are going to move on to our first
And I think this will be our only topic of the day
Because I think we've got a lot of great people to talk about this topic
And this is a topic from the forums
And the short version is
What is your first computer?
Now, you and I can talk about this
But I think it would probably be better
You know, I've got the perfect person to start this section of the show
So, why don't we turn it over to him
And listen to a couple of these
A couple of our guests tonight
And then you and I will come back
Does that sound like a plan?
Sounds like a plan to me
Alright, so here we go
And, you know who the first person that jumped into mind
When I thought, what was your first computer?
Well, okay, he wasn't really the first person that jumped to mind
But since he doesn't really know how to use a computer
But I thought it had been a long time
Since we had our good friend Decoder on the show
So, Decoder, tell us
What was your first computer?
Well, hold on while I light my cigarette, alright?
Hold on
Can you hear that?
Yes, I heard the lighter
Alright
Oh, yeah
Did you ever mention how great smoking is?
We're not talking about your first cigarette
We're talking about your first computer
First time I ever smoked a cigarette
I remember it so clearly
I was four years old
That was my grandfather
And he pulled out a pack of Kools
And he was like, you think you're a man?
No
Anyway
Is that where it ties into the computer?
Your first time you used a computer
Was also the first time you smoked a cigarette?
It might have been
Is that what led to the addiction?
I think they go hand in hand, really
Exactly
So what was that first computer?
My first computer, actually
Was an Abacus
I got it from an old Chinese emperor
What was his name?
His name was like, uh, Zhang He or something
Okay
Yeah, I don't know which emperor that was
With Dynasty he was a part of
But, uh, he looked me up with that
He was like, this is what we call a computer
And he's like, you know
You can get lead by, like, Abacus in it up
I'm like, alright, yeah
I'm down
So that was before we actually had computer machines
Oh, you mean, like, actual, like, machinery?
Right, the computer machine
I should have clarified
What was your first computer machine?
Oh, I actually had
I owned and operated a Sage radar system
I don't know if anybody's familiar with one of those
I have no idea what you're talking about
It's about, like, the size of a fucking building
It's either just, like, Unix version 1 or something
I don't even know
Uh, what'd you do with it?
Play Pong?
No, I, uh, operated radar
What are you talking about?
Pong hadn't been invented yet?
No
Pong was definitely not invented yet
When that shit came out, yo
Crazy
People already hacked computers everywhere
What, um
What kind of hacking did you do on a system like that?
On the Abacus?
Yo, son
You don't even want to know
Was it, was it one of those Abacus
Was, like, the colored beads?
Or was it just really plain?
Yeah, yeah, yeah
I had the colored beads
So, so
It was the PlaySchool version?
Yeah, the PlaySchool, yeah, exactly
No, it was made out of wood
It wasn't, like, one of them fake ones
What are you talking about?
It was one of those little plastic ones
That's made out of, like, recycled baby diapers or something
Nigga, that shit was made out of wood, okay?
Oh, where did you plug it in at?
Wood and metal, alright?
It didn't plug in
It was wireless, you see?
No, they had wireless back then?
Everything new and everything old is new again
The first computers were wireless
That shit was an Abacus
That wasn't fucking hardwired to anything
I'm talking about
So the Abacus was the first actual portable laptop computer?
It definitely was
It was pretty, exactly
They come up with the
You know, it's actually a de-evolution
Like, all these computer machines was a de-evolution
You know what I'm saying?
Because you have the Abacus
Which is small, portable, lightweight, wireless
Easy to use
You know?
And then they started coming out
Like, in the 1940s and 50s
With these big goddamn monstrosities
Made out of fucking metal
And wires and circuitry
And other bric-a-brac
And, you know, nobody really fucking could use them
Did you just say bric-a-brac?
You know, I stole that from the Simpsons
That's actually the episode with Smithers' father
And he goes into the reactor
And fucking Mr. Burns tells them to, you know
Not get in there
Because there's all sorts of atoms
And other nuclear bric-a-brac
Okay, well
That's a good word, I like that
No, I'm sorry, the Simpsons is dope
I fucking try to, you know
I try to reference it as much as possible
I'm gonna try to use that word more often in my vocabulary now
Bric-a-brac
What kind of interweb speeds did you get on that thing?
Did you, I mean, did you get like a high-speed interweb access or what?
What, the abacus?
Yeah
Yo, that was as high-speed as you could get
Because it was through your mind
Ah
It was instantaneous
Well, that was in the early days of the web
Where there wasn't a whole lot of pages out there yet
Well, yeah, exactly
There was only a few
It was mostly porn
In MySpace
Yeah, porn in MySpace
Don't forget about MySpace
Oh, man
Alright, well, I guess that's it
Seriously, my first computer
My first computer was actually a fucking Tandy 1000
Now we're talking
See, a Tandy 1000
Yeah, from Radio Shack
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what it was
I have the box somewhere
I don't have the computer anymore
It was one of those with a keyboard
And the actual computer were one piece
Right
And it had a separate monitor
Yeah
Color
It was beige
No, but it was a color screen
Color monitor
Oh, no, no, no
It was a color monitor
Yeah
It was a Tandy 1000
They used to what color
Right, yeah
So
You went from the Abacus
To the big vacuum-tubed
Room-sized computers
And then
To the Tandy 1000
Yeah, then the Tandy 1000
Which was a piece of junk
I didn't do anything on there
But play that fucking game
What do you call it
It was some weird game
Maybe speak and teach his typing
No, no, no, no
That's the least
And just to let people know
How old school I am
I was on CompuServe, son
Word
When it was all like text and shit
CompuServe
Word up
Fuck them
I hear you
CompuServe
I've been there
People don't even know what that is
Been there, done that
Well, of course you have
But I'm talking about the kids
Listening to your show
They have no idea what CompuServe
They're out Googling it right now
Well, CompuServe got bought out by AOL
Well, eventually
But I'm talking back in the days
What about Prodigy?
I did not have Prodigy
But I remember in high school
I had a lot of friends
Who had Prodigy
And they used to get all their
All their homework assignments
All for Prodigy
See, that was until
AOL opened up their little chat rooms
And then people started picking up
14-year-old girls on the interweb
On AOL, yeah
I had AOL 1 as well
I had AOL when you had to pay by the hour
It was like five bucks an hour
Or some bullshit
And everybody used to hop into
The free area for tech support
And hack their way
To get free minutes
There were all sorts of hacks
On AOL 1
I think like the AOL hacking
Pretty much ended at like three
Because AOL was
Is and always will be
The suck sore
Of course
I mean, you know
But what else was around then?
Like when AOL 1 was out?
I mean, yeah
You could have Prodigy
Or CompuServe
They were still around at the time
I had CompuServe
When AOL 1 was out
But I ended up getting AOL 1
And now here you are today
Still using that same
Tandy 1000 computer
To access the interweb
So here you go
I still use my Tandy 1000
You know, I don't even know
Like seriously
I don't even know the specs on it
Like because I haven't touched it
For about a thousand years
You know what though?
Like the earth was still like
Fucking molten
Like fucking lava
The last time I touched that shit
That joke is not far off
Because you did use a 486
For the longest damn time
Yeah, you know what?
Because I don't fucking care
What the fuck do you need
Computing power for?
I'm not managing databases
I'm not playing video games
I'm not doing anything
I'm fucking going on MySpace
All you were doing
Was storing text files
In plain text
That's it
That's all I do
Is I look
I read text files
And I fucking
And I go on MySpace
And MySpace is fucking
Slow-ish it anyway
So it really doesn't matter
What kind of computer you have
Alright, well before we close up
You want to pimp your MySpace
To everybody?
Everybody knows my MySpace
What the fuck, yeah
Alright
Just giving you the opportunity
So thanks Dakota
For being on the show
And we're going to move on
To somebody else
Who has something
Even older than an abacus
Alright, talk to you
Later
Alright, so
To get a different perspective
On the question
What was your first computer
I thought I'd get a
A long time friend of mine
Someone who's never been
On the show before
So we're going to
Take it easy here
But someone who brings
A different angle
And a different thought process
To this
Mostly because
She is from Argentina
And I thought it would be
Interesting to find out
What your first computer
Was from Argentina
So Donthro, my friend
Can you tell us
What was your first computer?
Well, my first computer
Was a Texas instrument
It was a TI-99
Slash 4A
It was
Poor baby
It was so small
Yeah, I actually
I actually had that computer
TI-99 4A
And it had
Did you just have
The little speech synthesizer
On the side of it
That would talk?
Yeah, you had to put
Like modules
To do anything
Uh-huh
And you only had basic
And you had 16K
I think
Absolutely
That's all you had
The only thing
You could do with that
Was programming basic
So
That's how I started
Learning how to program
Because that's the only thing
I could do with it
So you learned basic programming
On a TI-99 4A
Yeah
I mean
My first programming language
Was basic
Now
Well, and actually
Here's
The very interesting thing
Is that
That is the exact same computer
That I learned
A lot of basic programming on
I had used
Some other computers
Before that
But I had that exact same computer
And
To be honest
I also used that computer
Mostly for playing games
You put a little game cartridge
In there
And you could play games
On it a lot
So I did a lot of that
But I did
Oh, yeah
Well, yeah
You had the cartridge
And you could put them on
But I didn't have
Too much money
To buy them
So I only had
A couple of them
Not very easily
Now
Was Texas Instruments
Were they very common
In Argentina?
No
It was
Something very special
My dad
Bought it to me
Because he thought
I was some kind of
Weird girl
Nobody had them
Of course
You were just
A young hacker
Or hackeress
Yeah, it was weird
From the beginning
You know how it is
You are born like that
And it sounds like
You have two young hackers
There behind you
As well
Isn't that right?
Oh, yeah
And I know
From
I know for a fact
That at least one of them
Loves to play on the computer
The other one's not
Old enough yet
Well, the other
Likes to break them
Remember that
The younger one
Destroyed the new computer
With a
With a screwdriver
The first time
I bought it
Yeah, that sounds like
The beginnings of a hacker
I made it
I built it one day
And the next day
He came
I just left one
Of the pieces out
And he put the screwdriver
Inside
And burned it
Oh, no
Yeah, it was a nice one
Well, see
Everybody knows
That the hacker motto
Is you have to
Break it first
Before you can fix it
And make it better
So that's very true
Yeah, of course
Absolutely
I'm coaching the scientists
Exactly
All right
Well, thank you
Donthor
For being on the show
I appreciate it
And we will hear
From someone else next
Okay
You're very welcome
Bye-bye
And I had to search
High and low
To find someone
Even older than me
To be on the show
Dude
What a setup was that
Yeah
My name is
John Draper
I'm not that old
Nope
Our good friend
Rax
From one of the
Greatest shows
Of all time
Radio Freak America
How do you like that?
Wow
Nice kiss-ass
There you go
See, I've got to
Save it somehow
So, Rax
Our question this week
Is what was your
First computer?
My first computer
I actually have
I have it
Sitting here
Right on my desk
It's not the actual
One that I had
You still with me?
Yeah
I heard a tone there
Yeah
I think you hit a button
Okay
What was it again?
Anyway
No, it's not the actual
One I had
But I was five years old
Okay, this is really
Going to date me
The year was 1967
And it's from Edmund
Scientific Research
It was called
The Digicomp
One
Oh, you're making that up
There's no such computer
Oh, yeah
Yeah, it is
Google it
Search for Digi-Comp
Computer
And it was a three-bit computer
It was an analog, manual, mechanical computer
It had these little camshaft-looking kind of things
And straws you put on
I didn't understand how the hell it worked then
I was five years old, right?
I bought one a couple years ago
I still don't understand how it works
But you ask me anything else about computers
And I can probably tell you
I have no clue how this is
Because it's mechanical
So it's not digital
Now, you're five years old
You didn't know how to use that computer
At five years old
I had no freaking clue
But I knew it was a computer
And people thought I was bullshitting
And when I saw it
They talked about this
And I was at the Boston Computer Museum
One time
And they had the old TV commercials
And they had this for this Digi-Comp
One
And I go, holy shit
So I contacted the curator
The Boston Computer Museum
And found out what it was
And so on and so forth
And anyway
They actually have them now
For 55 bucks
It's MindsOnToys
M-I-N-D-S-O-N-T-O-Y-S
Dot com
You can get your very own
Digi-Comp One
Construction set
And did you get it?
And if someone figures out how it works
Please email me and let me know
Because I have no freaking clue
So you got
Is that what you meant
By you have one on your desk?
You actually ordered one?
Well, I bought one on eBay
Just for the nostalgia
And I paid like 150 bucks for it
And it has most of the pieces
But someone's reproduced it
And it's like made out of plastic
And soda straws
And wires
And did you say it was 3K?
No, 3 bits
3 bits?
Yeah
What a strange 3?
An odd number like that?
Yeah, yeah
Well, we actually
I hesitate to mention this
But we have someone
At our local 2600 meeting
Who
An interesting character
To say the least
But anyway
He started talking about
The trinary
Numbering system
I know if X-Logic's
Listening to this
He's going to be pissed at me
If you're even bringing that up
But anyway
Trinary revolution
Oh, man
Alright, so 5 years old
Fine, you had it
But that wasn't really like
What was the first computer
You actually used
Or like worked
Or, you know
Even at young age
I mean, I know
A lot of hackers
Started at a young age
And everything
But not 5
Okay, alright
Well, yeah
Now the kids can start
At 5 potentially
But, alright
Other than that
Let's see
It would have been
9th grade
We've had this
Simulation
Business game
Thing that you would
Fill in these
Bubble in these
Like punch cards
And run the stuff there
But the first one
I got my hands on
Was a Commodore Pet
Oh, wow
I haven't heard that name
In a long time
Yeah, yeah
It was all about the pet
And it had the Lunar Lander thing
It had all these
Oh, Lunar Lander
Was the bomb though
Yeah, yeah
Dude, you never knew
You could have so much fun
With the arrow keys
Oh, it was great
You know
Oh my gosh
And if people do not know
What we're talking about
With Lunar Lander
You definitely got to
Google that one
Or go to
Go to Klob
I don't know if Klob
Would have it
On the list of video games
Klob.org
Yeah, I haven't seen that one
You can check it out
But you know what gets me
Is like all these people
Have this nostalgia
For all these old computers
As a matter of fact
We've got a guy
At our meeting here
In PHX
His Nick is Retro Tech
He's all about
The old computers
Wow
And you know
He just has all this
Old junk
And it's like
People are
Everyone knows
How old I am now
But anyway
People are like
Oh, this is so great
And the Atari 2600
Man, that was so cool
It was like
No, no, it wasn't
It was a piece of shit
No, it wasn't
The 2600 was the bomb
Alright, it wasn't
It wasn't like great
Or anything
But I can still
To this day
Fire up Atari 2600
And play Combat
But the question is
Why?
Because you
Tank Pong is fun
It's nostalgia
Oh, ho, hum, ho
See, I lived all that stuff
I dealt with it
I had to support
All that old crappy
Computer stuff
Well, not 2600
But I had to support
All that old crappy
Computer stuff
And like, you know
All these guys
Are going to like
Goodwill
And like for 50 bucks
They get, you know
This Heath Zenith
Laptop thingy
And it's like
Oh man, this is so cool
Look at this
Boots for Mom
I go
No, it's not cool
It's nostalgia
Some people
Collect baseball cards
Some people collect
Comic books
Some people collect
Old computers
I mean, it's
This whole nostalgia thing
You've still got
A huge room full
Of your old Care Bears
So I don't even
Want to hear it
Oh yeah, but they're
All wired, man
They have the little
Sensor eyes and everything
Yeah, yeah
I put those in people's houses
You know, yeah
It's great
Like the, what was the one
What was the Simpsons episode
Where they were walking
And talking
Like the Furbies
Or something
No, you got me
I don't know
Anyway
Alright, so
Like what did you
What did you do
With the pet
Let's see
What did we do
We typed in programs
Because everything
Is in BASIC
We played Lunar Lander
BASIC is definitely
A theme that we've heard
So far from everybody
Everybody started
With BASIC
These days
They don't even teach
BASIC in a lot of places
Unless it's visual BASIC
Yeah
And I don't consider
That really the same
But, you know
And I've seen
I've seen in computer museums
And that
And don't get me wrong
I have a special place
In my heart
For old Cray supercomputers
And I collect
Cray memorabilia
As much as I collect stuff
So I have like
This low pressure gauge
From the Cray XM1
You know
Because it was liquid cooled
So they had a high pressure
And a low pressure gauge
I've got that
I have a Cray lanyard actually
That I wear to
The conferences and stuff
And a Cray matchbox
I even have a pair
Get this man
Tell me this isn't the shit
I get a pair
Of Cray boxer shorts
Oh get
I do
I'll take a picture of them
I'll put them up on the floor
No, no, no
I don't wear them
No, no
I don't wear them
I just have them
I think you should wear that
To Hope
To the next conference
Yeah, no, no
Okay
I'd rather see some eye candy
Wearing it
If I'm going to put that up
To someone wearing it
Well hey
You can work that out
These are brand new
They're clean
They've never been used
Sure they haven't
Yep, yep
Come on now
I'll turn them inside out
I'll take a picture
To show you
No skid marks
There's no way
Listen
There's no way
That I would have
A pair of those
And not have at least
Worn them once
No, no
I may have like
Held them up
But it's like
No, it was just
It was the idea
Of having it
Oh, man
Cray computer
Matter of fact
You know, I would love to
This is what I wanted to do
Is think about it
It'd be great
To get like an office
Thing in that somewhere
Or work with the local university
Get like a cray
And then like
You know
Have people work on a project
To port Linux over to a cray
Wouldn't that be the shit?
Well, it would be something
Wouldn't it be the feces?
The dung?
I don't know
Well, and actually
You know what else
You might be able
I just barely missed
The punch card era
When I was coming up
Through high school
And college
I just missed punch cards
Now, I can read punch cards
And companies I work for
A lot of the old
Mainframe stuff on punch cards
I've seen them
I've used them
I know how they work
But we had just
The A through I
And the J through K
And the zone row
And yeah
All that other good stuff
Herman Hollereth
And I kind of freaked people out
At the Fifth Hope
What was it?
Two years ago now
Because I can actually read
They handed out punch cards
To everybody
When you enter it
And I could actually read
The punch cards
Without
They had them printed
Across the top
But I didn't need that
I could cover it up
And read it slowly
Because you've got to
Kind of add
And figure out
Exactly what row stuff's on
But
Right
Now, did you actually ever
Have any kind of
Do anything with punch
Punch cards?
Actually, you know
I didn't have to
Where I went to college
We had a Vax 11780
But
So it was like
A business based
Business and technology
Based college
And a friend of mine
At the local university
And they were doing
Punch card stuff
And I'd always hear
All these horror stories
About guys working
On their programs
And have this big
Old deck of cards
And they bring it over
To load it
And they drop it
Oh yeah, that's it
Anybody that dropped
Punch cards
Oh, you just want to cry
When you hear those stories
Yeah
Because in case anybody
Listening doesn't realize
Those punch cards
Have to be in order
I mean those are
Instead of typing in
Your code in order
You're putting it in
Via punch card
But it has to be sequential
And if you drop them
And get them out of order
Good luck figuring out
How to put them back together
Yep
It was a mess
Alright, so
But what
Like
When you got to
When you got into college
What was
At what point
Did you see
Or feel like
Computers were common
Like that you started
To see a lot of them
Was it
Was it like
The early
IBM clones
Or was it
Well actually
Before
That was
Coming out
And before it was popular
I had laid my hands
On
Where I grew up
There wasn't too many
Apples
But there was
A QNIX computers
Which was a
Unix based
And there was
I got
The chance
To check out
An Apple 3
Which I thought
Was a piece of crap
And
So I got into
There was a lot
Of Commodores
So I got into
A little bit
The VIC-28
And the Commodore 64
But I
Shortly thereafter
I shifted into
I bought
This is great
It was a
Genuine
First generation
IBM PC
It had the
Cassette port
On the back
It had a
I bought it
From a high school
Science teacher
Who was upgrading
So it was a PC
That was upgraded
To an XT
It had a
12 megabyte
Internal hard drive
With an external
Power supply
Because back in
Those days
The power supply
In the IBM PC
Was about 60 watts
So like a light bulb
That's as much power
As it drew
I had a color screen
A CGA color screen
I had a light pen
A light pen?
Yeah
I had an AST
Quad RAM card on there
That had all these
Extra features
And I
Get this man
I had it up to
A whopping
322 kilobytes
Of memory
Or something like that
Yeah
And at the time
Though
That was
That was an elite
Machine at the time
Oh man
It was smoking
And then I did
Something stupid
So I'm sitting there
Doing hard drives
And understanding
Directories
So I'm setting up
All these directories
And organizing everything
And it's like
Wait a minute
I've got like
3 megabytes left
Of storage space
And then I
Had to do some research
Back in my day
We didn't have
No internet
To research
This stuff
Dagnabbit
But then I found out
That every time
You made a directory
And I basically
Just kept working
And checking it out
Every time
You made a directory
You had some
Overhead associated
With that
So I had like
10 directories deep
And not only that
When I would
Change directories
It would take like
2 minutes to change
From one directory
To another
So this isn't any good
So how many megabytes
Did you say
Were on that again
It was a 12 megabyte
Internal hard drive
A Devong
D-A-V-O-N-G
Was the company
Internal hard drive
External power supply
So you know
I do like
Any good hacker does
Right
I'm popping the thing open
I'm talking to the computer
I'm taking a look at it
And I'm futzing around
With it
And I screwed it up
And so it's like
So I'm in college
Right
And I screwed this thing up
And I called the California
Which was like
A hugely expensive call
And they had a $250
Bench charge
And $200 an hour
To fix my hard drive
Or even to diagnose it
So I scraped
And scrounged some money
And I got myself
A second floppy disk drive
And I had to
I wasn't
I wasn't living
Quite so high after that
Yeah you realize
That this show
This very show
That we are recording
And encoding to MP3
Would not even fit on there
Just this one episode
One file
Dude I got a MP3
I mean a data watch
USB data watch
I got a 128 meg storage
For my personal certificates
And password databases
Isn't that
Yeah isn't that funny
That like we can wear
Something on our wrist
And like our
Portable video game
Playstation
Nintendo
DS
All that
Blow away
That computer
Have you ever seen
My Java ring
That I have
They blow away computers
From as little as
Five years ago though
Oh yeah
Well I mean
Moore's law right
18 months
Everything is doubling
But have you ever
Saw the Java ring I have
And that's about
Five years old now
It has an 8 bit processor
32k of ROM
8k of RAM
And it can do
1024 bit encryption
And that all looks
Like a high school ring
Class ring
You know
So it's just
It's just amazing
So that's what gets me
When people
Get into this
Oh nostalgic stuff
Oh so good back then
No it wasn't
It's so much better now
Oh yeah
It's definitely
Definitely better now
But there's still
A nostalgic aspect
I mean
I enjoy very much
Working on the old
System 36
Where the computers
The size of the room
And the reel to reel
Tapes
Yes
Spank
You did that
AES 400 presentation
Man
You're a closet
Retro computing user
I admit it
I'm not closet
I admit it
I like the retro stuff
So you're out of the closet
I like
Are you out of the closet
About everything
I'm out of the closet
About everything
Yes
Okay
Of course
That's not what
You're getting at
But I play
No I'm not implying anything
I'm just asking
Yep
I am
I don't think there's
Anything wrong with that
I guess there's probably
Some things I'm in the closet
About
And yeah
They're probably
I have some
I have some issues
That are probably unspoken
But you know
We don't drop all the docs
On the show
I'm sure you have a few
Things in there as well
Oh yeah
Yeah
Alright well
I don't know
What else do you have
Any other interesting stories
I mean what about before
I mean like
Did you first start
With computing
By like what
Marking splashes
On the cave walls
Or something
Or like
How many fires
You could build
Or something like that
Yeah well
I mean I've actually
Dinosaur walls
History of this stuff
Is actually very interesting
To me
And there's a
Very good book
I'd recommend
If people are into it
It's called
The Victorian Internet
And I think it's
By Tom Standage
You can get it on
Like
Half.com
And stuff
And it talks about
The whole invention
Of the telegraph
And actually
Vinton Cerf
Wrote a forward to it
Or wrote something
And it said
If we would have
Had this book
We would have
Saved ourselves
A lot of trial and error
When we started
Setting up the net
Very very good book
Talks about
The whole thing
With Samuel Morris
And everything
Coming up before
In French
The Morris worm
And well yeah
But no that was
That's a different Morris
M-O-R-S-E
Not M-O-R-R-I-S
Come on get it straight man
You're no computer historian
Gotcha
But then it
Even goes back
Like to France
With the semaphore operators
You know
Those little flag
People doing the flag stuff
And that
So it's very good
And
The history of it
Is just interesting
Just from the perspective
Of seeing where it's been
And seeing how it's evolved
Do you know
Do you have to be a mechanic
To drive a car?
No
But it helps to be able
To understand
What's going on
Under the hood
So the more you get
Into this stuff
And the more you know
The better
Of an understanding
You have
Of the whole picture
So
But actually
What kind of got me
Into the whole technology stuff
And I have an older brother
Who was into sci-fi
So he got me into
Doing Star Trek
And you know
Everything else
When I was a kid
And then
Okay this is
Alright
You're a closet Trekkie
We're bringing you
Out of the closet too
Oh dude
And no closets with that
And then
Alright so here's
The thing
Alright
So in
You know
Personal computers
Weren't there
General computers
Were you know
Hardly
Hard to come by
When I was growing up
So you know
Companies didn't even have them
So in
In eighth grade
I was in the AV club
Or club
But we had these electives
Right so we did AV stuff
So I started working with
You know
The quote unquote
Technical kind of stuff
And now
Which is why
You're the guy
At every single conference
That's always volunteering
And doing the recording
And working on the cameras
And the AV stuff
Yeah actually
I should be
Setting up for
For Hope as well
I was working on
Getting all my reservations
And everything there
For both Hope and DEF CON
And we got a
Table reserved for us
Downstairs to get some
Guinness or what
Oh yeah
And by the way
Not theory
If you're listening
Dude you still owe me
A pint from DEF CON
The interest is going
To kill you man
Uh oh
We're going to have
To film that one
Yep
And actually
You know
An interesting point
You kind of just alluded to
A minute ago
Is
That we haven't touched on
Is
The price
The cost of these things
Not only has all this
Power and everything
Gone up
But we kind of
You mentioned the price
On the other ones earlier
And you talked about
How much money we're spending
But yeah
I mean
We paid big bucks
You were talking about
$250
Just to open a ticket
And then $200 per hour
Et cetera
Let me
Let me give you
Stank
Let me give you
A couple examples
1989
I live in Arizona
I had a friend of mine
Had a computer store
So
I wanted to get the
You know
I wanted to be king shit
So I got
Had him order me
You know
This 150 megabyte
SD hard drive
150 megabyte
SD hard drive
Guess what the dealer price
Was on that
In 1989
Oh my gosh
I couldn't even
Venture a guess
Yes
Come on
Guess
1989
Yeah
$300
Oh dude
You're
$1300
I'm guessing low
Because I really
Didn't have a clue
$1300
For 150 megabytes
I'm like
Damn
I'm never going to
Fill this thing up
I've got files
Larger than that now
Okay
Fast forward
Fast forward a little bit
This is probably about
1995
96
Well wait a minute
To put that in perspective
I mean
Right now
You can get like
A 200
250 gigabyte
Hard drive
For 100 bucks
On sale
If you watch around
Yeah
I was checking it
Last Friday
Phoenix on the west coast
We have Fries Electronics
Out here
30 cents a gigabyte
Now
Oh man
30 cents a gig
Alright
Now fast forward
A couple of years
It's 1990
Around 95
I get a 1 gigabyte
Hard drive
Again
Thinking I'm king shit
Right
1 gigabyte
Ordered it from
Fries Electronics
In California
Because we didn't
Have them out here yet
When they had it on sale
Guess how much
I'm going to guess again
300 bucks
Man
Do not go on
Price is Right
You suck
It was like
Six close to 700 bucks
For 1 gigabyte
Price is Right
Still exists
You're dating
I don't know
I don't watch TV
You know
So now
I've got
Like I said
I've got 128 megabytes
On my wrist
I've got a 1 gig
And a 2 gig
Thumb drive
In my pocket
And it's just amazing
Sounds like a personal problem
Now get this
This is something I pulled
And Stank
I'll tell you where it's at
If you want
But it's on
It's on my private website
Okay
I took this from PC World
A few years ago
1981
IBM PC
Price
$3,045
4.77 megahertz
8088
Came
Came with
64 kilobytes
Of RAM
160 kilobyte
Floppy
11.5 inch
Monochrome
Text monitor
Parallel port
Tape cassette
2 inch speaker
PC DOS 1.0
16 kilobytes
Not MS DOS
PC DOS
Yeah
Microsoft didn't sell
Products
And that
Gates
Another thing
Gates was still living out
In Albuquerque
I think at the time
Yeah
It's another thing
People might not realize
I know that we always
Make jokes about
Microsoft being
The operating
System
And that's all
That there's ever been
And all people have known
But no
There was a time
I mean
PC DOS
And MS DOS
Were two
Choices you had
And PC DOS
Went the way of the
Dinosaur as well
Well there was also
Even when I had mine
There was a
P-code environment
A pseudo-code environment
That you could run
Kind of like
I think you could run
Like
You could get a
P-code for
Fortran and stuff
And you could run
Fortran apps
On this little
Personal computer
But anyways
Get this
So the OS
Requirement
16 kilobytes
It booted up
In 16 seconds
Now this
The next one
I have
And again
Props to PC
World
They put this together
I just retyped it
For myself
Okay
2001 Dell Optiplex
Price was
$1400
Versus $3000
It was
Almost a gigahertz
Penny M3
128 meg of RAM
Even this sounds
Pretty weak now
20 gigabyte
Hard drive
DV read write
Floppy 17 inch
Monitor
Parallel serial
USB
Windows 2000
32 meg of RAM
As opposed to
16 kilobytes
For the operating system
Takes 51 seconds
To boot up
So we could do
That again
I mean
You're probably
Paying what
$500
For like
A three gigabyte
Thing with a gig
Of RAM
And it's just
Amazing
Yeah
It's gone
Prices have gone
Down
Power's gone up
And I don't know
It finally seems
To sort of be
Leveling off
I think Moore's
Lost
It's not dead yet
But I'm thinking
It's getting
Unless they make
Some breakthrough
Technology here soon
With quantum computing
Or something
I think we're really
Starting to push
The envelope as far
As we can push
It yet
And unless
Unless some
They come through
With some nanotechnology
To make
The tiniest
Pin size
Well part of it
The next
The next step
I think
Before we get
To practical
Applications
Of that
You know
Everything
The chips
Are primarily
Silicon based
They say
Gallium arsenide
Is the next
Semiconductor
Medium of choice
They'll be able
To have smaller
Dye sizes
And everything else
So
Well and the
Other thing
I think
For the next
Probably
Three to five
Years
Actually next
One to five
Years
Seems to me
I'm feeling
A push
Towards multiprocessors
Dual quad
Processor systems
Where they're just
Instead of
Advancing the
Technology
In the processors
They're just
Going to start
Daisy chaining
Them up
Trying to actually
Get
Squeeze the power
Out of them
Right but you
Think about it
In the windows
Environment
And Robert
Kringley the
Columnist
Came up with
This so I
Didn't come up
With this thought
But he was
Saying that
Like in a
Windows
Environment
You're going
To need one
Processor
Just to run
Your firewall
And your
Antivirus
And your
Anti-spyware
And also
The security
Shit
You'll dedicate
One processor
Just to that
Yeah and I
I don't know
Is that way
It's pronounced
Kringley
Or cringely
I've always said
Yeah I'm not
Sure which
I think it is
Kringley
Because I had
Triumph of the
Nerds 2.0.1
The video series
Which is actually
Very good if
Anyone's interested
Excellent yeah
And his writing
Is fantastic
He's one of my
Favorites
Yeah me as well
He may not be
Always accurate
But you know
It's logical
It's sensible
That the things
Could happen
He actually
Wrote a book
A number of
Years ago
It's called
Accidental Empires
About the start
Of the whole
PC revolution
And all the
Companies
I wish he
And it goes
Until about
1991 or something
I wish he'd
Write like a
Volume 2 of
That of everything
That's happened
Since
Well and I
Guess one
Closing story
Kind of back
To something
Else you made
Me think of
With half.com
You mentioned
I actually
Got a
$20 gift
Certificate
To Amazon
Recently
And I
Thought it
Was really
Cool that I
Was able to
Go on to
Amazon
I have a
Few things
On my
Wish list
But I
Was able to
Go on to
Amazon
With a
$20 gift
Certificate
And there
Is still
Value in
Old books
Whether it's
Nostalgia
Or whether
It's just
An interest
That hasn't
Been
Something that
You're interested
In or
Researching
Or whatever
And let me
Tell you
Exactly
I thought
This was
A really
Cool feeling
I could
Go on to
Amazon
And through
Their Z
Shops
Which is
Their
Half.com
Their used
Bookstores
Etc.
People
They just
Use their
Amazon engine
To power
Their sales
And process
Them
I was able
To go on
There
I bought
The new
Quotable
Einstein
Which is
I had an
Older one
So I was able
To get a
Newer one
I think it
Was like
98 cents
I paid more
For shipping
It was like
Two or three
Dollars for
Shipping on
It
I bought
A DVD
Movie called
Code Hunter
I think it
Was like
A dollar
98 or
Two ninety
Eight
For that
And it's
An old
I kind of
Collect
Anything
Any movies
That are like
Even slightly
Hacking related
So it was
Called Code
Hunter
Or something
So I got
That
Again a few
Bucks shipping
And I bought
Another DVD
Documentary
Gosh the name
Escapes me
Now but
It was
Oh my gosh
I can't think
Of the name
Of it
But it was
Basically
Similar
Kind of similar
To the BBS
Documentary
From Jason Scott
But not nearly
As good
Or as well
Done
Or as
Recent
And that
Also cost me
I think
About two
Or three
Dollars
When all
Was said
And done
Out of my
Twenty dollar
Gift certificate
I had two
Great DVDs
Interesting stuff
A new book
That I could
Sit and read
Because I love
Reading Einstein
Books
And still had
A few bucks
Change left
Over
So there's
Some nostalgia
For you
Well dude
If you have
Any money
Left over
Definitely get
That Victorian
Internet
Again I believe
It's Tom
Standage
Is the guy's
Name
Well and
The other
Thing I'm
Reading right
Now
And we're
Going kind
Of off topic
But I'm
Reading Hackers
And Painters
Which is an
Excellent
Excellent book
Oh yeah
There's other
Books too
I got
Linus
Wrote part
Of it
But it's
Called
The Hacker
Ethic
Yeah I
Have that
On my
Shelf
Ready to
Read
Waiting to
Read
Actually get
This
So I
Bought
Because I
Buy
You know
If I'm
Going to
Have something
I'm going
To pay
For it
I bought
From audible
The audio
Book
And I thought
It was so
Good I
Bought the
Dead
Tree
Edition
Uh huh
All right
Tree wear
Yep
Still like
It
Still like
It
All right
Well Rax
Thank you
For coming
On the
Show
And dating
Us both
I think
Yeah well
What can I
Say
Yeah
What are you
Going to
Do
Well I
Will see
You at
Hope
Number
Six
All right
Later
Man
Late
All right
Now
That was
Some old
School
Computing
Right there
Especially
At the
End
With our
Good
Friend
Rax
But
I know
You and
I can
Probably
Talk about
This
For a
Little
Bit
Too
I've
Been
On
The
Earth
Quite
A
Few
Years
Myself
So
I can
Probably
I can
Probably
Go
Way
Back
But I
Tell you
What
Why don't
You
Start it
Off
And I'll
Try to
I'll try
To kind
Of fill
In
Because
Some of
The stuff
I know
You and
I probably
Have in
Common as
Far as
Computing
And then
I will
Kind of
Take us
Back into
The way
Back
Machine
So
What
Is
That
What
Was
The first
Computer
What
Was
The first
Actual
Computer
That you
Remember
Not
That you
Necessarily
Used
But
What
Was
The
First
Oh the
First
One I
Ever
Remember
Is
Probably
I'd say
I was in
Sixth
Grade
And they
Brought a
Computer
Into
School
And we
Were able
To play
A couple
Games
On it
Things
Like
You know
Hangman
Nothing
Serious
The computers
Weren't
Capable
Of
Many
Things
Serious
So
You
Remember
What
It
I don't
Remember
What
The computer
Was
At
School
No
I know
I used
It
I was
Only
In
Sixth
I
Tell
You
The truth
I
Really
Didn't
Care
That
Much
At
The
Time
I
Do
Remember
Using
It
And I
Do
Remember
Thinking
How
Cool
It
Was
And
It
Was
Probably
Another
Year
Or
So
Before
I
Got
My
Own
Or
And
Started
Using
My
Friends
And
Then I
Bought
My
Own
Now
Do
You
Remember
Was
It
Color
It
Was
Not
Color
It
Was
Monochrome
One
In
School
Yep
Right
And
That
Was
Like
The
Only
Computer
In
The
Whole
School
There
Was
Only
Or
There
Was
A
Very
Small
Number
Of
Computers
In
The
School
I
Would
Assume
At
That
Time
There
Were
Three
And
We
Shared
Them
In
A
New
Class
Called
Computer
Lab
New
Class
Computer
Lab
Yeah
Actually
Kind of
Similar
Stories
To
A
Certain
Extent
Back
Then
Of
Course
And
I
Think
Rax
Talked
About
This
A
Little
Bit
Computers
Were
Expensive
And
We
Kind
Of
Compared
To
The
Cost
Now
You
Know
That
They
Drop
So
Dirt
Cheap
For
The
Power
And
Everything
That
You
Get
It's
Amazing
But
Back
Then
They
Were
Very
Expensive
To
Have
A
Personal
Computer
In
Your
School
So
Yeah
They
Were
Very
Few
And
Far
Between
When
I
Was
In
Middle
School
Which
Was
Even
Before
You
By
A
Few
Years
And
We
Had
Just
A
Few
Here
And
I
Remember
Doing
Basic
Programming
On
Them
But
They
Were
Certainly
Not
Common
Place
That's
For
Sure
And
We're
Talking
Early
Middle
School
Probably
Fifth
Sixth
Grade
As
Well
So
You
Got
Your
First
Computer
Well
What
Was
Your
Next
Computer
After
That
You
Were
Saying
You
Got
One
At
Home
Well
I
Used
A
Computer
At
A
Friend
Named
John's
House
For
About
A
Year
It
Was
A
Commodore
64
And
We
Played
Games
On
It
And
Just
Basically
Used
It
After
That
I
Kind
Of
Wanted
One
So
You
Know
I
Asked
My
Parents
And
All
That
Good
Stuff
And
They
Said
No
Way
You
Know
What
Do
We
Look
Like
Rockefeller
And
I
Worked
You
Know
Raking
Leaves
And
All
That
Stuff
For
A
While
And
Was
Able
To
Get
I
Think
I
Think
I
Got
Half
The
I
Spent
A
Lot
Of
Time
Playing
Video
Games
You
Know
After
I
Was
Able
To
Get
The
Later
Version
Of
DOS
I
Put
Wasteland
On
There
And
Played
That
Oh
Wasteland
Was
The
Bomb
Oh
Yeah
I
Love
That
Game
I
Literally
Played
It
For
A
Year
Pretty
Much
Every
Day
I
Still
Have
It
On
Five
And
A
Quarter
Inch
Floppy
Discs
Somewhere
Yep
The
Computer
Had
The
Five
And
The
Quarter
Inch
Drive
Absolutely
What
A
Great
Game
Great
Game
And
Actually
Yeah
I
Guess
I'll
Slip
In
A
Little
Bit
Because
Mine
Was
Even
A
Little
Bit
Well
Actually
Let's
Talk
About
The
Commodore
64
Because
I
Don't
Think
Anybody
Has
Really
Mentioned
That
So
Far
The
Commodore
64
To
Me
Was
The
Big
Turning
Point
For
Computers
Where
People
Started
Having
Computers
At
Home
That
Was
The
First
One
That
I
Remember
Hitting
Big
At
Home
Now
Take
That
With
A
Grain
Of
Salt
Apple
Two
Was
Another
One
That
Was
A
Big
Breakthrough
But
They
Were
Still
So
Expensive
That's
One
Thing
That
Hasn't
Changed
About
Apple
They
Always
Been
Expensive
As
Hell
Exactly
Because
They
Gave
Discounts
To
Schools
That
Was
Apple
Trying
To
Get
In
That
Was
Their
Policy
Back
Schools
So
That
When
Kids
Went
Home
Or
When
You
Went
Home
That's
What
You
Wanted
To
Use
The
Same
Thing
That
You
Learned
How
To
Use
At
School
So
Yeah
They
Had
But
They
Were
So
Expensive
That
Still
A lot
Of
People
Did
Not
Buy
Them
For
The
Home
Yet
It
Wasn't
Until
The
Commodore 64
Because
It
Did
Do
Some
Computing
But
I
Think
More
To
The
Point
Was
The
I
Loved
And
Still
To
This
Day
Love
The
Old
Gold
Box
AD&D
Games
The
Old
TSR
Gold
Box
Adventure
Games
That's
What
I
Played
A lot
Of
Bard's
Tale
Yeah
Bard's
Tale
Was
Great
I
Never
Liked
The
Ultima
Stuff
Because
It
Didn't
Give
Me
Enough
Freedom
I
Don't
Want to
Play
Shimoni
And
All
Those
Stupid
Characters
I
Want to
Make
Up
My
Own
Character
I
Was
A
Might
80's
Maybe it
Was
Late
80's
Early
90's
I
Remember
I
Remember
Back
In
That
Time
Frame
Because
I
Know
A
Friend
And
I
Used
To
Play
One
Of
The
Gold
Box
Games
And
I
Know
We
Named
All
Of
Our
Characters
Slash
Axel
Izzy
Not
Long
After
Welcome
To
The
Jungle
Was
On
TV
Probably
And
For
Those
Of
You
Who
Don't
Might
Not
Recognize
Those
Names
The
Old
Guns
N'
Roses
So
We
Thought
That
Was
Kind
Of
Funny
Back
Then
I
Know
I
Talked
To
Not
Theory
The
Other
Day
And
One
Of
The
Games
He
Was
Playing
He
Named
His
Characters
Raffle
Copter
And
Lola
Skate
And
Stuff
Like
That
So
Anyway
We
Had
Fun
With
That
And
I
Think
That
Was
The
First
Now
I
Played
It
Over
At
A
Friend's
House
I
Did
Not
Have
One
Myself
So
When
I
Went
To
Try
To
Buy
One
Same
Thing
Mowing
Lawns
Saving
The
Money
And
My
Parents
Went
Out
And
Decided
They
Weren't
Going
To
Get
Me
The
Full
Commodore 64
Because
It
Cost
More
I
Got
The
Ghetto
Ass
Commodore 64
A.K.A.
The
Vic
20
Oh
What a
Bastard
Of
A
Computer
That
Was
Had
The
Cassette
Drive
An
External
Tape
Cassette
Drive
And
I
Remember
Actually
Having
The
Cassettes
That
Had
Like
Guns
And
Roses
Or
Something
On
One
Side
Audio
And
Then
You
Flip
It
Over
And
I
Would
Hide
Data
On
The
Other
Side
Of
It
So
That
Was
Fun
Times
There
Was
A lot
Of
Data
Hiding
Going
On
Back
There
Whenever
You
Needed
To
Tape
You
Had
To
Decide
Whether
It
Was
Worth
Taping
Over
Your
Bon Jovi
Slippery
When
Wet
That's
What
It
Was
So
You
Had
To
Make
A
Decision
Whether
It
Was
Worth
Copying
Over
That
To
Get
A
Copy
Of
The
Latest
Game
Or
Something
Like
That
So
That
Was
Always
Fun
And
Yes
Did
A
Little
Bit
Of
Basic
Computing
A
Little
Bit
Of
Basic
Programming
I
Should
Say
Excuse
Me
And
The
Vic
20
Really
Wasn't
It
Sucked
There's
No
Two
Ways
About
It
The
Vic
20
Sucked
It
Was
Fairly
Popular
As
Well
But
Commodore
64
Is
The
One
That
Did
It
But
When
Yeah
I
Remember
Really
Complaining
When
We
Went
To
Get
It
I
Got
To
Get
IBM
Compatible
Exactly
And
That's
When
The
IBM
Compatibles
Came
Out
Actually
There
Was
A
Tandy
Before
That
Which
Was
Kind
Of
Sort
Of
The
Kind
Of
Nah
I
Remember
Going
Into
Radio
Shack
All
Time
To
Play
The
Demo
Games
But
Once
IBM
PCs
Came
Out
That's
What
Really
Changed
The
Face
The
IBM
Clones
Came
Out
That's
Really
What
Changed
The
Face
The
Computing
Started
Driving
The
Price
Started
Driving
The
Technology
And
The
Lower
The
Prices
Went
The
More
People
Had
Computers
To
Where
We
Are
Today
Where
Oh
Man
I
Should
Have
Done
Some
Research
For
This
Show
But
I'm
A
Terrible
Host
Of
What
Percentage
Of
People
Have
Home
Computers
These
Days
So
And
It's
Even
Increasing
Ever
More
Worldwide
With
These
New
$100
Laptops
That
They're
Trying
To
Roll
Out
Right
Now
As
Well
So
I
Mean
Did
You
Ever
Think
The
Day
Were
$100
Laptop
No
Absolutely
Not
I
Didn't
Think
Of
The
Day
When
You
Find
A
$100
Hard
Drive
Exactly
And
Rats
Was
Selling
Us
About
$1300
For
Like
I
Forgot
What
He
Said
It
Was
A
15
Megabyte
Drive
Or
I
Don't
Remember
Something
Crazy
Just
Ridiculous
Prices
Actually
The
First
Computer
I
Ever
Used
Was
An
Old
Vax
Mainframe
Learning
And
Actually
It
Wasn't
It
Was
Playing
A
Game
I
Remember
The
Game
Distinctly
I
Don't
Know
What
The
Name
Of
It
Was
Exactly
But
It
Was
At
School
It
Was
Also
About
4th
Or
5th
Grade
5th
Or
6th
Grade
Right
Around
That
Same
Time
Frame
And
It
Was
All
Monochrome
It
Was
You
Know
All
We
Have
Were
The
Dumb
Terminals
To
This
Vax
And
I
Remember
Playing
It
Was
I
Guess
The
Only
People
Only
Thing
People
Would
Recognize
If
I
Say
Zork
One
Of
Those
Old
Adventure
Type
Games
You
Know
It
Was
All
Text
Based
But
You
Just
Typed
In
What
You
Wanted
To
Do
Except
This
One
Was
Star
Wars
Theme
And
Of
Course
You
Know
You're
A
Kid
You
Love
Star
Wars
It
Was
Not
Long
After
Star
Wars
I
Don't
Even
Think
The
Third
Movie
Was
Out
Or
Maybe
Not
Even
The
Second
One
At
That
Time
So
You
Know
Star
Wars
Game
And
It
Was
Kind
Of
A
Role
Playing
Text
Based
Game
You
Go
Through
You
Find
The
Lightsaber
And
You
Attack
The
Wookiees
And
Fly
The
Spaceship
And
Stuff
Like
That
It
Was
All
Text
It
Was
All
Imagination
Which
Is
In
Very
Short
Supply
These
Days
In
The
Time
Of
Graphics
And
Everything
But
High
End
Graphics
Cards
Kind
Of
Destroy
Imagination
To
A
Certain
Extent
But
I
Remember
Playing
That
Game
On
It
But
I
Didn't
Do
Anything
Else
On
It
I
Didn't
Really
Do
Much
Programming
On
It
The
First
Programming
I
Actually
Remember
Was
Again
Short
Well
I
Remember
Tinkering
Around
With
The
Basic
On
The
TI-99
4A
A
Little
Bit
And
On
The
Commodore
A
Little
Bit
Like
I
Said
But
The
First
Time
I
Took
Like
An
Actual
Class
In
School
For
Proper
Programming
Let's
See
I
Lived
In
Alabama
At
The
Time
So
That
Was
Ninth
Grade
Or
Eighth
Grade
Ninth
Grade
So
In
Ninth
Grade
On
A
TRS
80
The
Trash
80
We
Used
To
Call
Them
Yep
That
Was
The
First
Time
I
Ever
Saw
An
Actual
Lab
Full
Of
Computers
As
In
12
15
Computers
In
One
Room
Because
Like
You
Said
Before
That
There
Was
Two
Or
Three
To
The
Whole
School
Right
So
First
Time
I
Actually
Saw
A
Lab
And
Learned
Basic
Program
And
When
Did
You
Actually
Take
Your
First
Class
Or
First
Like
Formal
Computer
Training
My
First
Formal
Computer
Training
Was
College
I
Didn't
Do
It
In
High
School
I
Didn't
Do
It
In
Middle
School
I
Just
I
Played
With
Them
Myself
And
My
School
Didn't
Offer
It
Like
I
Know
Like
I
Some
Of
These
Programs
Mine
Didn't
Have
That
I
Just
Didn't
Have
The
Option
That
Some
People
Have
Where
You
Can
Take
A
Class
On
It
You
Know
I
Did
Some
Basic
Programming
Myself
As
A
Kid
But
Really
There
Was
No
Option
At
My
School
There
Was
It
Was
It
Was
A
Very
I
Went
To
Unlucky
That
I
Moved
Like
Every
Freaking
Year
I
Went
To
Four
Different
High
Schools
In
Four
Years
Which
Sucked
But
The
Good
Thing
That
Came
Out
Of
That
Is
You're
Absolutely
Right
There
Was
Very
Hard
And
Very
Rare
To
Find
Schools
That
Even
Had
A
Computer
Lab
Even
As
Small
As
10
15
Computers
And
Even
If
They
Did
That
They
Offered
Any
Classes
In
Them
They
Might
Have
Been
Like
For
The
Newspaper
Or
For
The
A.V.
I
Definitely
Took
Basic
Programming
Again
In
Ninth
Grade
For
The
First
Time
Formally
Tenth
Grade
I
Took
A
General
Computing
Class
Which
At
The
Time
Was
Like
Word
Perfect
You
Know
And
It
Was
Not
Excel
It
Was
Lotus
One
Two
Three
Lotus
One
Two
Three
Yeah
Where
Everything
Started
With
The
Slash
Key
And
In
Tenth
Grade
Excuse me
In
Eleventh
Grade
Which
And
We're
Talking
1988
Here
1988
I
Was
In
Eleventh
Grade
And
I
Was
Very
Lucky
I
Was
Where
Did
I
Live
I
Lived
In
Kentucky
At
That
Time
And
There
Was
Only
One
School
In
The
State
Of
Kentucky
That
Offered
Pascal
Programming
And
That
Where
I
Went
To
School
In
Tenth
Grade
What
Was
I
Fifteen
Sixteen
How
Old
Are
You
In
Tenth
Grade
I
Don't
Even
Know
I
Say
Fifteen
Or
Whatever
I
Was
Lucky
Got
Into
Pascal
Programming
Class
And
Oddly
Enough
There
Was
Probably
Fifteen
Let's
Say
Twenty
Computers
Be
Generous
Twenty
Computers
In
The
Class
I
Really
Don't
Remember
What
Kind
They
Were
Offhand
But
Twenty
Computers
Still
Only
About
Twelve
Or
Thirteen
Kids
In
The
Class
So
Nobody
Was
Even
Using
All
Of
Them
There
Still
Wasn't
In
Interest
It
Still
Wasn't
Big
Yet
So
I
Took
Pascal
Programming
Then
And
Then
My
Senior
Year
I
Moved
To
A
Different
School
Also
In
Kentucky
Though
And
That
School
Just
Happened
To
Be
The
Only
School
In
The
State
That
Offered
Fortran
Programming
And
That's
Right
Got
Out
High
School
Which
Was
Really
Cool
At
The
Time
So
When
I
Went
Into
College
They
Were
Also
Offered
As
College
Courses
But
I
Didn't
Have
To
Take
Those
Because
I
Already
Knew
It
So
I
Was
Able
To
Then
Take
Other
Now
Archaic
Languages
Like
COBOL
And
Actually
Did
Have
To
Take
Basic
Again
In
College
Because
It
Was
Freaking
Required
That
Sucked
And
That
So
Boy
I've
Run
The
Gamut
Of
Computers
And
Experience
Over
The
Years
I
Do
Remember
Also
Back
In
That
Back
In
Fifth
Or
Sixth
Grade
I
Remember
That
I
Think
It
Was
My
Math
Class
I
Was
Always
Bored
I
Didn't
Really
Need
The
Math
Class
I
Knew
The
Math
So
That
Particular
Teacher
Had
A
Computer
In
His
Closet
In
His
Office
That
He
Used
For
Himself
That
Had
A
Modem
On
It
And
That
Was
The
First
Access
I
Ever
Had
To
The
Predecessor
To
The
Global
Interweb
There
Was
Certainly
No
Web
Back
Then
There
Was
No
Internet
Per
Se
But
There
Were
Dial
Up
BBS
And
I
Remember
He
I
Took
A
Test
And
Was
Finished
And
Like
Nothing
So
He
Says
Yeah
Go
Back
And
Play
On
The
Computer
Or
Something
Like
That
Some
Game
It
Put
It
In
The
Coupler
And
Wait
For
It
To
Connect
And
Everything
300
And
Slam
It
Down
Three
Times
Oh
It
Was
So
It
Was
Oh
I
Loved
It
Oh
That
Nostalgia
Feeling
Is
Coming
Back
It
Was
So
Great
Oh
Man
I
Miss
That
So
Much
And
Playing
Those
Door
Games
And
Stuff
Was
Just
The
Greatest
Fun
Ever
And
That
And
Going
to
The
BBS
That
That's
Where
The
First
Time
I
Ever
Saw
Things
Like
Hacking
Text
Files
And
Stuff
Like
That
I
Remember
Going
Through
When
I
Found
That
That's
What
Hooked
Me
That's
Really
What
Turned
Me
On
To
Hacking
And
Turned
Me
On
To
The
Power
And
What
Computers
Could
Do
And
The
Magic
And
That's
Really
What
Did
It
For
Me
That
Taking
The
Programming
Classes
Which
I've
Always
Loved
So
That's
Boy
That's
Come
A
Long
Way
From
Then
To
Now
Where
We've
Got
Dual
Core
Quad
Processing
Super
Charged
Whatever
The
Hell
They've
Got
Now
I'm
The
Old
Guy
I
Can't
Keep
Up
With
It
I
Got
A
Gamer
At
Work
And
He
Points
Me
Over
His
Terminal
Today
He
Says
Look
At
This
It's
Dual
SLI
On
A
Single
Card
I
Guess
They
Might
Have
Announced
It
Just
Today
Because
He
Was
Pretty
Excited
About
It
Yeah
And
Like
Honestly
The
Video
Card
Technology
Lately
I
Have
A
Bunch
Of
Gamer
Friends
And
When
I
Was
Specking
Out
This
New
Computer
I
Got
A
New
Dual
Core
I
Think
I
Mentioned
On
The
Show
Quite
A
While
Back
I
Think
Or
In
The
Forums
That
Is
And
I
Was
You
Know
I
Wanted
To
As
Long
As
To
Play
Half
Life
2
Or
Any
Games
Along
That
Same
Time
You
Know
Anything
That
Was
Coming
Out
At
The
Time
I
Didn't
Want
To
Already
Buy
Behind
The
Curve
And
I'm
Talking
To
These
Guys
And
It's
Like
They're
Dropping
All
These
Things
Oh
Well
Anti
Aliasing
And
You
Need
The
Dual
SLI
And
PCI
Express
I'm
Like
What
In
The
Holy
Hell
Are
You
Talking
About
Jeez
It's
Gotten
Ridiculous
It's
Gotten
Crazy
With
All
This
Stuff
Now
And
I
Actually
Finally
Feel
Like
I'm
Getting
Passed
Up
With
A
Lot
Of
This
Technology
It's
Too
Much
To
Keep
Up
With
Now
For
An
Old
Guy
Like
Me
Oh
It
Happens
I
Was
At
Work
Not
Too
Long
Ago
I
Wanted
You
Know
Like
Let's
Say
It
Was
Eight
Nine
Months
Ago
And
We
Got
A
Learn
And
Adapt
With
Everybody
Else
But
I
Mean
Like
I
Had
I'm
Like
When
Did
All
Of
This
Happen
When
Did
I
Remember
Having
A
Voodoo
Two
Card
That
Was
An
Add-on
You
Had
To
Put
That
In
Besides
Your
Regular
Video
Card
Right
And
It's
Just
Five
Years
Ago
Or
Whatever
And
Then
I
Do
Know
I'm
Not
Totally
Out
Of
The
Loop
I
Know
That
Went
Away
I
Remember
Getting
Some
Other
Car
That
Was
Able
To
Play
All
The
Games
That
I
Wanted
To
Play
Which
Again
Is
Not
Much
So
It
Was
Only
Probably
About
Two
And
A
Half
Years
Two
To
Three
Years
Range
That
I
Just
Didn't
Really
Pay
Attention
And
All
Of
A
sudden
I'm
Like
Whoa
What
The
Happened
While
I
Wasn't
Looking
You
Know
I
Think
I'm
In
The
Same
Boat
I
Fell
Off
That
Train
Somewhere
Along
The
Way
Too
I
Noticed
That
There's
A
Lot
Of
Technology
Coming
Out
Right
Now
That's
Just
I
Walked
Into
A
Game
Store
The
Other
Day
I
It's
Amazing
And
It's
In
It's
In
You
Know
An
Xbox
360
It's
Not
Even
A
Big
Computer
It's
Just
A
Little
Tiny
Box
Right
Well
And
That
Even
Goes
Back
To
What
Rax
And
I
Were
Talking
About
Earlier
About
I
Mean
The
Power
The
Computers
That
We
Were
Describing
Back
In
School
Even
The
Stuff
We
Doing
Programming
On
My
Nintendo
DS
Will
Blow
That
Thing
Out
Of
The
Water
Right
That's
A
Damn
Shit
That's
Amazing
That
My
PDA
Phone
Is
More
Powerful
Than
Probably
Half
The
Computers
I've
Ever
Owned
In
My
Life
That's
Amazing
Think
About
That
The
Power
Well
Maybe
Not
This
Particular
Piece
Of
Shit
Trio
700
Phone
But
Other
Similar
Phones
That
Do
Actually
Work
As
They're
Advertised
To
Work
I
Think
It's
Better
Than
The
Nokia
That
Came
Free
For
Me
Well
I
Don't
Know
I
Don't
Know
That's
Debatable
Alright
Well I
Guess
We're
Kind of
Drifting
A
Little
Bit
Off
The
Computer
Topic
But
See
This
Is
A
Good
Fun
Episode
Full
Of
Nostalgia
And
Talking
About
The
Old
Computers
First
Computers
Somebody
Brought
Up
In
The
Forum
So
I
Thought
That
Was
A
Fun
Topic
To
Just
This
Was
More
Like
The
Story
Hour
Computers
You
Should
Have
Had
Danzig
Co-hosting
That's
What
You
Needed
I
Should
Have
Gotten
Rob
Zombie
I
Didn't
Damn it
Why
Didn't
I
Think
Of
That
Oh
Well
I
Tell
You
What
Let's
I
Do
Still
Want
To
Do
Some
Email
So
Let's
See
I
I'm
Not
Sure
How
We
Are
In
Time
But
We're
Going
At
Least
Have
Some
Time
To
Do
A
Few
E
Mail
So
Unless
There's
Anything
Else
You
Wanted
To
Bring
Up
Before
We
Leave
The
Main
Topic
Oh
There's
Really
Not
No
I
Mean
You
Know
It's
It
Is
What
It
Is
I
Mean
They
Were
Great
And
I
Had
A lot
Of
Fun
With
Them
It's
Sad
It's
Sad
Like
When
You
Think
About
You'll
Never
Feel
The
Way
You
Did
When
You
First
Saw
Those
Computers
Again
But
Then
Again
You
Know
I
Jump
On
Our
Form
Sometimes
And
I
See
Kids
Thinking
The
Same
Thing
I
Did
You
Know
And
It's
Still
A
Good
Thing
Well
And
I
Know
The
Guys
Over
On
The
Packet
Sniffers
I
Know
That
Those
Guys
Are
Into
A lot
Of
The
Retro
Computers
Shout
Out
To
Those
Good
Guys
Over
There
Doss
Man
And
Zach
Go
Check
That
Out
If
You
Haven't
Already
But
Yeah
There's
A lot
Of
People
That
Still
Like
Them
But
You
Know
I
Presented
On
The
AS
400
At
The
Last
Hope
Two
Years
Ago
So
You
Know
There's
Still
Some
Interest
Out
There
Of
It
Still
Around
So
You
Know
They're
Still
Around
I
Have
To
Work
With
Every
Day
They're
Nice
Systems
Actually
But
They're
Been
Around
For
A
While
They've
Seen
Better
Days
And
You
Know
What
As
Far
As
Recent
History
I
Don't
Think
There's
Really
Much
Point
It
Kind
Of
Makes
You
Feel
Old
Again
That
Like
Some
People
You
Talk
To
Their
First
Computer
Is
Like
A
486
They're
Like
Oh
I
Remember
Back
In
The
Days
Of
The
Old
486
No
That's
Not
Back
In
The
Day
That
You
Don't
Know
Back
In
The
Day
The
486
That's
Nothing
I
Still
Got
A
Few
Of
Those
Laying
Around
The
Garage
My
486
Is
A
Firewall
Still
I
Was
I
Was
Teasing
Decoder
Earlier
He
Was
Still
Using
A
486
Up
Until
A
Year
So
Ago
I
Remember
Him
Saying
That
Yeah
Because
All
He
Needs
Is
Notepad
That
Guy
Anyway
I
Need
To
Teach
Him
How
To
Use
Encryption
But
That's
A
Whole
Another
Story
Alright
So
Let's
Handle
Some
Let's
Go
Into
Some
Email
Well
Our
First
Email
This
Week
Comes
From
Chaos
K
A
O
S
Who
Says
Hey
Guys
First
Off
I
Love
The
Show
Keep
Up
The
Good
Work
I
Just
Wanted
To
Keep
Up
The
Good
Work
I
Gotta
Enunciate
Properly
Maybe
I
Should
Okay
You
Know
I'm
Going
To
Start
Over
I'm
Going
To
Do
This
Voice
In
My
Crypt
Keeper
Voice
Because
I
Want
To
Keep
It
Evil
I'm
Gonna
Boy
I'm
Gonna
Wear
Out
My
Throw
But
You
Know
What
I'm
Having
Fun
So
Fuck
Off
Turn
Off
The
Show
You
Don't
Like
It
All
Right
So
Chaos
Six
What
Can
You
Do
Chaos
Says
Hey
Guys
First
Off
I
Love
The
Show
Keep
Up
The
Good
Work
I
Just
Wanted
To
Say
That
The
New
Format
Idea
Sounds
Awesome
Wait
That
Sounds
Like
A
Monster
Truck
Rally
That
Doesn't
Sound
Like
A
Six
Sunday
Come
Now
See
Bigfoot
And
Great
Digger
Go
Head
To
Head
In
The
Final
Showdown
I
Do
I
Have
The
Worst
Voices
And
Impressions
But
You
Know
What
I
Don't
Care
I
Have
Fun
I
Just
Wanted
To
Say
The
New
Format
Idea
Sounds
Awesome
And
I
Look
Forward
To
Finding
Something
Actually
Interesting
Enough
That
I
Can
Contribute
To
The
Show
Well
Thank
You
Very
Much
Chaos
And
We
Actually
Got
Quite
A
Few
Emails
That
People
Did
Like
This
New
Format
And
The
New
Direction
We're
Going
So
I'm
Not
Going
To
Read
All
Of
Them
But
Thank
You
To
Everyone
For
Letting
Us
Know
Because
Yeah
We're
Going
To
Keep
Going
In
This
Direction
I
Think
It
Kind
Of
Keeps
The
Show
Fresh
First
Of
All
And
Yes
Chaos
And
Anybody
Else
We
Want
To
Have
It's
Not
This
Exclusive
Club
Or
Something
Like
That
Where
Only
The
Select
People
Are
On
The
Show
No
I
Want
Anybody
And
Everybody
If
They
Know
About
The
Topic
At
Hand
Or
They're
Discussing
You
Know
We're
Kind
Of
Gearing
This
Towards
The
Forum
Some
Of
The
Interesting
Stuff
There's
Tons
Of
Great
Stuff
There
And
If
Somebody
Out
There
Knows
About
The
Particular
Subject
I
Would
Love
To
Start
Getting
More
People
On
The
Show
And
Kind
Of
Share
And
Spread
The
Knowledge
So
Absolutely
Anybody
And
Everybody
Keep
An Eye
In
The
Forums
And
Watch
And
Basically
The
Best
Way
To
Get
On
The
Show
I
Mean
It's
Not
Like
We
Have
A
Process
Yet
We're
Still
Kind
Of
Fumbling
Our
Way
Through
This
And
Figuring
Out
How
To
Get
People
On
But
The
Best
Thing
Is
To
Hang
Out
In
IRC
Go
To
IRC
Binrev
Net
Our
IRC
Server
Go
Out
There
Like
Sunday
Monday
Well
Actually
Go
Hang
Out
There
Anyway
Because
There's
Lots
Of
Great
Conversation
A lot
Of
Great
People
And
There's
50
People
50
Plus
People
On
In
Any
Given
Time
I
Mean
It
Never
Dips
Below
30
At
The
Lowest
These
Days
It's
A
Fun
Channel
It's
A
Fun
Channel
It's
An
Interesting
Channel
You
Know
A lot
Of
IRC
Channels
Aren't
Like
They
Used
To
Be
Where
You
Would
Have
People
Having
Fun
And
Having
Some
Technical
Talk
Here
And
There
That's
One
Of
The
On
Topic
As
Much
As
We
Can
And
There's
A
Little
Fun
In
There
There's
Nothing
Wrong
With
That
But
There's
A lot
Of
Bright
People
In
There
So
It's
Definitely
Fun
And
You
Know
When
It
Comes
Time
To
Do
The
Show
I
Think
It's
No
I
Think
Everybody
Knows
That
I
Know
Black
Ratchet
Did
Some
Shows
Live
But
I
Pre-record
The
Show
And
Stream
It
On
Tuesday
So
You
Know
Sunday
Monday
Whenever
We
Get
To
Recording
Just
If
You're
In
IRC
And
I'm
Looking
At
The
Topics
I'll
Shout
It
Out
In
IRC
And
See
If
Anybody
Wants
To
Record
A
Segment
And
Try
To
Put
Them
Together
For
A
Show
And
In
The
Future
See
Right
Now
Here's
The
Problem
New
Phone
I
Guess
Has
Some
Problems
Going
On
Without
Going
Into
Details
And
They've
Got
Some
Problems
A lot
Of
People
Have
Lost
Their
DID
A lot
Of
People
Who
Are
Running
Asterisk
Boxes
That
We
Have
Been
Using
Down
Because
Of
It
So
Once
We
Get
Bell's
Mind
And
Some
Of
The
Other
Options
We
Have
Up
And
Running
Again
We'll
Be
Able
To
Maybe
Have
Multiple
People
On
The
Show
At
The
Same
Time
Instead
Of
Pre
Recording
So
There
Is
Some
You
Know
Once
We
Get
Things
Straightened
Out
And
Figure
Out
What
New
Phones
Deal
Is
Or
Find
Some
Alternatives
Or
Whatever
New
Phone
Was
Great
Because
Well
Anyway
Until
We
Find
Some
Alternatives
Maybe
That
Will
Be
The
Direction
We
Take
In
The
Future
Of
The
Show
Instead
Of
Pre
Recording
We
May
Still
Pre
Record
But
We'll
Do
Everybody
At
The
Same
Time
So
Yeah
Absolutely
Hang
Out
IRC
That's
The
Best
Way
To
Get
In
Touch
With
Myself
Or
Whoever
We're
Going
To
Doing
The
Show
Whoever
The
Host
Is
Going
To
Be
Like
I
Said
We're
Trying
To
Mix
Them
Up
You
Can
Contact
Any
Of
Us
And
Yeah
Everybody
Is
Welcome
I'd
Like
To
See
More
Of
A
Community
Involvement
Of
I
Say
That
About
Everything
But
You
Know
It
Really
Is
True
I
Really
Want
To
See
A
Community
Involvement
Stuff
Like
This
Anyway
Let's
Move
On
To
Another
Email
Here
This
Email
Is
From
Jim
Actually
You
Want
To
Read
An
Email
I
Wore
My
Throat
Out
With
The
Crypt
Keeper
Thing
All
Right
I
Don't
I
Don't
Know
Download
The
Episodes
After
They
Are
Aired
Then
I
Listen
To
Them
While
They
Are
Driving
Or
At
Work
I
Think
Your
Team
Puts
Together
A
Great
Show
Recently
I
Been
Interested
In
Myth
TV
I
Like
To
Build
Myself
A
Box
That
Runs
Myth
TV
And
I
Was
Wondering
If
You
Or
Anyone
On
The
Show
Has
Come
Across
Any
Good
Tutorial
That
Combining
Those
Strings
Together
Will
Show
You
A
Great
One
Now
Myself
I
Use
The
I
Forget
The
Name
Of
The
Distro
Right
Now
Myth
Not
Myth
I
Did
Not
Myth
Install
And
I
Still
Have
It
Up
And
Running
And
It
Been
Fine
For
Me
And
You
Do
Actually
Use
Myth
TV
Then
I
Have
It's
Broken
Right
Now
But
Yeah
I
Used
It
Up
Until
About
Three
Months
Ago
Well
Actually
Maybe
An
Answer
Question
I
Have
Had
I
Don't
Mean
To
Put
You
On
The
Spot
But
One
Of
The
Things
I
Was
Curious
About
Is
Some
Of
The
Later
Ones
They
Added
Support
For
MAME
The
Multi
Arcade
Machine
Emulator
I
Think
Is
What
It
Did
You
Put
That
I
Absolutely
Did
Add
That
In
Interested
And
I
Think
It
Also
Will
Do
Just
General
RSS
Feeds
For
Weather
And
Stuff
Like
That
If
You
Wanted
To
Add
In
I
Don't
Know
If
It
You're
Right
With
Not
Myth
It's
Pretty
Easy
You get
Your
Zap
To
It
Channels
You pull
Your
Channels
Down
They
Do
Have
Weather
RSS
Feeds
And
All
That
Stuff
That
They
Pull
Down
And
Display
For
You
Right
There
On
The
Even
Just
Slash
Dot
Feeds
With
News
And
Stuff
Like
That
I
Think
You
Can
Even
Brow
That
Brows
That
On
There
If
I'm
Not
If
I'm
Correct
Well
You
Absolutely
Can
If
You
Don't
Have
If
You
Don't
Set
Up
Your
RSS
Right
And
Do
All
That
Stuff
You
Can
Use
It
As
A
Regular
Distro
You
Can
Fire
It
Up
And
Open
A
Web
Browser
With
It
Cool
All
Right
Well
Actually
Jim
Who
Sent
In
This
Email
Also
Provided
The
Link
And
We're
Using
We're
Making
Up
A
Name
He
Sent
In
A
Real
Name
And
We're
Not
Going
To
Use
The
Full
Name
So
We're
Going
To
Go
With
Jim
Who
Sent
Us
A
Link
And
We'll
Put
The
Link
Up
In
The
Show
Notes
It's
Kind
Of
Long
I
Can't
Really
Read
It
And
It's
Kind
Some
Parts
All
The
Parts
That
You
Would
Need
The
Video
Card
Because
MythTV
Only
Works
With
Certain
Video
Cards
And
Things
Like
That
Tuners
Yes
You
Want
To
Get
The
Hot
Bog
I
Don't
Know
How to
Pronounce
That
The
Truth
I
Don't
Know
I
Call it
Helpage
I've
Heard
People
Pronounce
It
All
Different
Ways
I've
Only
Read
It
Just
Like
Probably
Most
Of
The
People
Out
There
Show
Exactly
So
He
Sent
A
Link
That
Had
All
That
On
There
And
Yeah
We
Will
Put
Those
In
The
Show
Notes
But
The
More
Interesting
Thing
Was
That
The
Link
Was
Actually
A
Google
Link
Or
More
To
The
Point
A
Frugal
Link
F
R-O-O-G-L-E
Which
Is
Google's
Price
Search
Engine
I
Know
You're
Not
A
Fan
I
Love
Frugal
Well
It's
Not
So
Much
That
Takes
Me
To
His
Wish
List
I
Didn't
Even
Know
They
Had
A
Wish
List
In
Frugal
Right
I
Didn't
Know
That
Was
It
Says
Beta
On
It
I
Couldn't
I
Never
Saw
It
Announced
On
Labs
I
Don't
Know
If
It's
Just
Part
Is
Frugal
Still
Considered
Beta
Frugal
Actually
Not
Beta
I
Would
Say
No
Frugal
Graduated
Labs
It's
On
The
Top
page
So
No
But
This
Still
Said
This
Wish
List
Still
Said
Beta
And
It
Was
Kind
Of
Weird
But
So
I
Didn't
Know
That
The
Wish
List
May
Be
Beta
Because
I
Haven't
Heard
Of
It
Either
Yeah
So
It's
But
It's
Not
Listed
On
The
Labs
But
Anyway
Whatever
So
I
Didn't
Even
Know
It
Existed
First
Of
All
But
Fine
Whatever
But
What
I
Didn't
Like
Was
In
The
Upper
Right
Hand
Corner
This
Goes
Back
To
What
I
Bitched
About
Like
Two
Years
Ago
Two
And
A
Half
Years
Ago
Don't
Log
Me
Into
Anything
I
May
Have
Had
A
Cookie
For
Gmail
That
Doesn't
Mean
I
Want
To
Automatically
Log
Into
Frugal
Or
Google
Or
Google
Groups
It
Really
Is
It
I'm
Not
Singling
Out
I
Know
People
Think
I'm
This
Big
Anti
Google
Guy
And
Yeah
Sure
I
Did
Present
To
Def
Con
About
It
Nothing
Big
And
I
Wrote
An
Article
In
2600
But
Still
It
Was
Coincidence
I
Could
Have
Easily
Written
Those
Articles
On
Passport
Microsoft
I
Mean
Very
Simple
They're
All
Very
Similar
And
Sure
Yeah
They're
Both
Intrusive
In
Their
Own
Way
Absolutely
I
Mean
It's
Persistent
You
Log
Into
One
But
It
Logs
Into
The
Others
But
The
Problem
I
Have
Is
When
That
But
You
Know
What
I
Guess
It
Doesn't
Cause
Any
Harm
In
This
Particular
Situation
So
I'm
Not
Going
To
Go
Into
That
Rant
Again
But
I
Just
Don't
Like
The
Way
They
They've
Gone
About
This
So
I
Will
Back
Off
Of
That
Topic
For
Now
But
Yeah
I
Think
I
Think
Google
Fits
In
Perfectly
With
The
Episode
Of
Evil
Oh
Man
I
Think
I
Just
Blow
Out
Oh
Man
Okay
How
Are
We
On
Time
Here
Wow
I
Think
We're
Getting
Close
I
Think
We
Can
Get
In
One
More
At
Least
Email
His
Email
Is
From
Cypress
Says
As
I
Have
Recently
Researched
The
Topic
Of
Recording
On
An
iPod
I
Have
The
Answer
For
You
Can
Record
Audio
To
An
iPod
Oh
We
Asked
This
In
A
Previous
Episode
Of
The
Show
I
Didn't
Know
Could
You
Record
To
Your
iPod
I
Thought
That
Was
One
Of
The
Features
As
You
Are
Supposed
To
Be
To
Record
To
It
So
I
Have
The
Answer
For
You
Can
Record
Audio
To
An
iPod
The
Older
Gen
iPods
Before
Video
iPod
A.K.A.
5th
Gen
5th
Generation
You
Can
Use
iPod
Linux
From
iPod
Linux
.org
I
Am
Pretty
Sure
That
iPod
Linux
Comes
With
An
Audio
Recorder
For
Pre
5th
Gen
iPods
Also
There
Are
Devices
From
Griffin
Technology
Dot
Com
Called
The
Italk
Which
Works
With
The
Fourth
Gen
And
Previous
iPods
As
For
The
5th
Gen
iPod
There
Are
No
Recorders
As
Of
Yet
I
Was
Told
By
An
Apple
Employee
That
Extreme
Mac
Dot
Com
Is
Going
To
Have
One
Called
Micro
Memo
And
Also
Griffin
Is
Cypress
But
Am I
Reading
Into
This
That
Yeah
You
Can
Record
On
Your
iPod
If
You
Mod
It
Or
Put
Linux
On
It
Or
Do
Something
It
Doesn't
Do
It
Out
Of
The
Box
Is
That
What
I'm
Hearing
Do
You
Have
An
iPod
Right
I
Have
A
3G
And
To
Tell
You
The
Truth
I
Don't
Know
I've
Never
Heard
Of
This
Before
But
This
Sounds
Pretty
Interesting
And
This
Is
Maybe
Where
Technology
Passed
Me
By
Because
I
Don't
Have
One
And
Don't
Really
Care
To
Have
One
Anytime
Soon
I
Thought
That
Was
One
Of
The
Reasons
That
Podcasting
Took
Off
Is
Because
Well
I've
Heard
Some
Podcasts
Where
The
Guy
Is
Driving
In
His
Car
And
He
Says
I'm
Recording
On
My
Way
To
School
There
Was
One
Podcast
It
Was
For
Truck
Drivers
18
Wheel
Truckers
I
Heard
That
One
Yeah
It
Was
Interesting
It
It's
Pretty
Great
Man
And
He's
Recording
It
While
He's
Driving
Down
The
Road
Or
Stop
At
A
Truck
Stop
And
He's
Describing
He's
Like
Go
To
The
Way
Station
It's
Great
Some
Of
The
Things
They've
Seen
Yeah
Absolutely
It's
Great
I
Thought
That
They
You
Could
Record
On
So
I
Don't
Know
Guess
It's
Not
That
Light
Mentioned
In
Episode
150
Is
Not
Only
Good
For
Low
Light
Output
Hard
To
See
At
A
Distance
It
Is
Also
Used
By
Mill
I
Guess
It's
Military
When
Used
Because
When
Used
At
Night
Your
Eyes
Don't
Have
To
Adjust
Back
To
The
Dark
Like
They
Do
With
A
Regular
Flashlight
Oh
That's
Interesting
Blue
And
Green
Lights
Also
Have
This
Effect
But
Not
As
Well
As
Red
So
Here's
What
I
Use
Here's
What
I
Do
I
Have
A
Guarity
Flashlight
That
I
Wear
On
My
Side
You
Can
Buy
These
Things
At
Walmart
Kmart
A
Couple
Different
Ones
I
Forget
The
Model
It
Comes
With
Lens
Caps
It
Comes
With
A
Blue
One
And
Red
One
You
Can
Switch
Them
Out
It
Comes
With
A
High
Power
LED
And
They're
Really
Small
It's
A
Heavy
Flashlight
I'm
Looking
At
It
Right
Now
I
Just
Pulled
It
Out
Of
It's
Little
Sheet
There
It's
Called
Garity
It
Comes
With
Red
And
Blue
Lens
Caps
That
Kind
Of
Can
Accomplish
The
Same
Thing
Forget
This
I
Want
To
Say
I
Paid
$12
Nice
You
Know
Anything
I
Want
To
I
Been
Looking
At
Those
Ones
That
You
Shake
They
Don't
Need
Batteries
You
Just
Shake
Up
To
Get
The
Power
It's
Great
If
You're
In
A
Jam
They
Really
Work
Like
Crap
Yeah
I
Think
I
Might
Drop
Some
Coin
And
Get
A
Real
Nice
High
End
One
Of
Those
Do
Something
Like
That
You
Especially
You're
Living
Here
In
Florida
You
Don't
Want
To
Get
Caught
With
Your
Pants
Down
When
Hurricane
Comes
Through
Without
Light
So
Baby
I've
Always
Got
My
Pants
Down
And
Don't
Know
What
Is
And
Go
To
Our
Shouts
I'll
Let
You
Start
Off
With
The
Shouts
This
Week
Alright
Let's
See
I
Have
Some
Shouts
To
Buddies
From
Both
The
IRC
Rooms
And
That
I've
Known
Let's
See
We
I'd
Like
To
Say
Hey
To
Kyle
Verbal
Tom
Tio
CFH
Meekor
Zig
Man
Who's
Never
On
IRC
Anymore
And
Hack
And
You
People
I
Know
Yeah
I
Like
To
Hate
Everybody
That
I
Know
Alright
Well
I'll
Definitely
Second
The
One
To
Verbal
To
Biz
What's
Up
Buddy
To
Biz
Can't
Forget
About
To
Biz
Definitely
Shouts
Out
To
Verbal
And
For
Helping
Out
He's
Been
Doing
A lot
Of
Help
Out
On
Some
Projects
A
Little
Confusion
With
Them
That's
Completely
My
Fault
But
Verbal
Thanks
A
Lot
For
Helping
Out
Definitely
Good
Guy
To
Mr.
White
Mr.
White
Thank you
For
The
Email
Which
I
Didn't
Get
To
Read
On
The
Air
But
Thank you
For
The
Email
Anyway
And
Speaking
Of
Mr.
White
That's
A good
Segway
Into
Our
Site
Of
The
Week
Because
I'm
Going to
Pimp
His
Site
Of
Him
And
The
Gang
Over
At
F
Bill
Radio
That's
F
B
I
L
R
A
D
I
O
F
Bill
Radio
Go check
Them
Out
If
You
Haven't
Already
And
If
You
Have
Any
Feedback
Comments
Complaints
Flames
Bitches
Moaning
Whatever
Send
Them
To
Radio
At
BinRev
Dot
Com
And
Our
Closing
Music
Boy I
Just
Keep
Saying
And
Our
Closing
Music
This
Week
Is
From
The
Front
A
Little
Squad
Who
Was
A
That
Is
Of
Course
A
Play
On
MC
Front
A
Lot
The
Front
Little
Because
This
Is
The
Evil
Show
This
Is
A
Song
Called
Saving
Throw
Dungeons
and Dragons
Song
Because
We
All
Know
How
Evil
Dungeons
and
Dragons
Is
Back
In
The
80s
I
Remember
That
Was
All
Over
The
Place
It
Was
All
About
Devils
And
Satan
Worshipping
And
Stuff
So
This
Song
Isn't
Evil
In
Any
Way
Shape
Or
Form
And
I
Think
As
You
Hear
It
You
Know
That
And
That's
Okay
We
All
Say
Plus
One
Verse
Fire
Here
Yeah
Exactly
So
Right
Coast
Thank
You
My
Friend
For
Being
On
The
Show
And
I
Will
See
You
In
A
Couple
Weeks
At
Our
Bin
Rev
407
Bin
Rev
407
Representing
Central
Florida
And
To
The
Rest
Of
You
We
Will
See
You
Next
Week
Same
Evil
Time
Same
Evil
Channel
Ha ha ha ha ha ha
Once with all the dice I rolled low can I roll twice I don't know what character to be the magic's nice
Let me get this straight you never played this I tried once or twice but haven't messed with it in ages I used to play the bard's tale and that's about as cool as I ever came to roll over stats
It's cool I'll help you out and Drew will too
Hey where are the Gitos and where's the Mountain Dew
Have a look at the sheet it's complete because I made it I need to be a bard for sure cause that's my favorite that can be arranged we'll just change it on the paper
And I'll give you some cool items if you're on your best behavior
Here's where you get points on here's your money and the die that you'll be rolling the most is D
20
Bumble goes in charge cause he's a dungeon master so listen to his story as we set out for disaster
I put the magic in magic missile does that clear things out no well this will I'm the D to the end man the El Capitan I'm the Dapper Dan Trapper man who's not a rapper fan and I'm managing you and your clan
That sucks
Telling y'all
It can't be your boss
And I trust you'll dig the setting of our story
Is it somewhere that rocks?
Yeah
A quarry
bulk
A quarry
Like Hootie who, he's stealing booty too.
So who is it?
Well, I ain't naming names yet.
Baccarat's onto something.
He ain't frotting.
There's a traitor at the table and he's leaving us with nothing.
We do all the work and like a jerk, he takes a golden.
By the time we realize it, all the booty has been sold.
And speaking of booty, I got a brownie for that ass.
Is there a ranger in the house?
I think we better check for traps.
He's a tricky little mother and I wouldn't put it past him.
When we find out where he's hiding, best believe I'm gonna black.
Roll the dice and then tell me what it is.
I won't look funny.
Please don't let it be a critical miss.
A blood is out of the case, fellow friend.
He's gonna assemble, I offer a ship of the whip ass.
Traps are gonna clash.
So break out, so for you guys, we'll bump this charm.
And melt his tiny balls and brass.
Gonna catch this door, gonna snap on his light sack.
Take another whack, and then listen to his hip crack.
Then we're gonna whine.
DM says we're surrounded, we're astounded.
Ha, while the hippo's getting coming.
All I know is that someone here is slacking.
Hiding in the back, cause his bravery is lacking.
Now we gotta battle venger one more time.
Who do I see at the back of the line?
Tyco staring at the tops of his shoes.
You think that someone cast a spell to turn him into glue.
How we gonna triumph when all he does is parry?
Time to get him to this battle, instead of acting like a fairy.
I better get the deaf author in on this.
I think the dungeon master's gonna be a little pissed.
So it's Tyco with a tight flow, totin' syllables.
Here's the syllabus, us is eminently killable.
Goddamn DM, climbed onto my ski-am.
Hit my LJ, watch me post it like 3M.
Every party's got a player like me.
Rockin' for cherry, best believe it.
I'm out to get the best of the party I sold to that sentient mode.
Subterranean arrangements, y'all would never see the day again.
Terraniums on that casket closed.
I'm up to my helm and put anum and gold.
But that dungeon master's a bastard, I seen him.
We roll my save and throw behind the game screen.
And incinerated by some lava trap.
With spikes in the front, spikes in the back.
And for this, you tore the corner of my character sheet.
There goes my C-flight, right-click, delete.
We'll just wait until the character after this one shit.
Anachronistic with akimbo guns, motherfuckers.
And then tell me what it is.
I want a 20.
Please don't let it be a critical miss.
And then tell me what it is.
I want a 20.
Please don't let it be a critical miss.