This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers, to the hackers and the crackers.
I see in binary, I speak source code, step on my toes, I'll post a million jpegs with you in a fag tone.
In your digital stance, sitting firewalls hoes, cause I'm riding the net in my six foes.
I was a dick with my 56, now with my cable I'm able to get that stable.
On the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo. On the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm a Nero.
In a flash, I'll screw you on burning Dreamcast. You need some ISO? Let me do my hard drive rifle.
Our exchange you could never stifle. In a digital hood, you just caught the love bug.
I bootlegged your CG, I carved the fight between Un and Jay-Z.
Your CG, it's all gonna be free, whether we take it by force or we take it night free.
You feel that rattle in your bones? When I tell you we just hacked out Jones?
And NASDAQ leaves you flat on your back, cause I am he who loves to hack and crack.
Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack.
This is dedicated to the hackers and the crew.
Serial code, source code, ISO, red, fifth, sixth.
This is dedicated to the hackers and the...
Welcome to Binary Revolution Radio, episode 160.
This is your host Droops, and to fulfill the cliche of all hacker media, starting out with
this is the name of the show, this is my name, and I'm sorry it's late.
But guys, I'm sorry the show is late.
If you listen in for a little while, you will figure out why the show is late.
And I guess why I'm a jackass for having it out so late.
I think y'all need to pay me more, and I'll do it.
So if you double my zero, I'll still have zero, but I'll feel better about myself, because
I had a raise and I was doubled in pay.
We've gotten several emails from people saying congratulations on the new hacker media site,
how cool it is.
And that Lower Logic sent one in, and so did a Michael, and we appreciate that.
Mr. Yelstab, I again, made everything.
He's awesome.
The site looks frickin' awesome.
Because of him, it's all that guy.
Everyone go into poundinfenomicon on freenode.net and say,
Yelstab, you kick ass, because that guy really does.
I'm still working on a few updates for the site.
I'm going to hopefully tonight take out some of the shows that we spoke about last week
that had the ads.
I left them in there just so people could see, and see what all that was about.
I got an email from a guy named JG, and he said the new hacker media feed doesn't work
in iTunes.
Any estimated time of arrival for that?
And if anyone needs someone to do something, and they're not paying them to do it, you should
be, I don't know, nice about it, and say, hey, this doesn't work.
Here's why it doesn't work.
You know, don't be, hurry up and fix it, you jackass.
I want your hobby to suit me more.
Because people will just say, fuck off to that, and not really help out with anything.
But we're working on that for Mr. JG, and he sent us an email also saying that here's
how Apple needs the RSS feed to be.
So we're going to play around with that and see if we can monkey around.
I know we were having some trouble with some of the Sean Kennedy stuff not working with
the way we were reading the RSS feeds.
We have an important announcement to make at the end of the show, where we're going
to unveil a new site that you guys that can, I don't know, right click and view page source
have already figured out about.
But HackerMedia is about to have a sister site, which I think is going to be pretty cool.
And we're also working on a new feature for the HackerMedia site.
And it's not that this takes very long to do, or that it's very complicated to do.
It's just I haven't taken the time to do it.
Where people can submit content, maybe it's not a permanent show, or maybe it's just something
someone put out that needs to be on the HackerMedia site.
The old one had ways of doing that if you had a username and password, which was pretty
much emailing me and saying, hey, I need an account.
But so people can submit things, we'll look at it, and so we're not getting a bunch of
trash submitted to it.
But people can submit something real quick, and that adds it to the HackerMedia RSS feed
and to the front of the page.
We're also going to try to update the featured show at the top of the site, I don't know,
every month or so-ish, maybe.
ExploitCast has been up there for a while for all our testing, and they're really cool.
Y'all should all check it out.
And I don't think I mentioned something that's really neat about HackerMedia.
It doesn't take the latest data to make the center column where all the shows are listed
by order of how they're done.
It's how they're added to our database.
So if I started a show and called it Droops Radio tomorrow, and it was picked up by HackerMedia,
then all the Droops Radio shows that are in the RSS feed would show up at the top of the page,
you know, until something new came along, because that's how it was added to the database.
So it's going to be a really neat way of advertising new stuff that we add to it,
because boom, here's a whole bunch of it.
I don't know if it was intended to be that way, but it works out really cool.
I've also gotten several emails from people, content that needs to be added to the HackerMedia site.
And as long as there's no ads in the RSS feed, and it's of hackery type stuff,
then we will definitely add that to the site.
And please, if y'all can find something that I don't know about,
because I am not the all-seeing eye or the all-listening ear,
send it to me so that we can put it up there.
That'd be awesome.
Really awesome.
I don't know if everyone knows, but I've started a little business.
And Mr. Low Tech Mystic is staying over here and helping me start it up,
and we've rented an old building.
And it's in the downtown of our little small town.
And it's a really cool little building.
It's on the National Register of Historic Places.
But it was kind of falling apart.
It was an old, cruddy building that people hadn't occupied in a while.
And when they did occupy it, they didn't really take the best care of said building.
As in, to fix a hole in the back on the floor that, like, you could physically fit several guys in at the same time,
they just nailed the carpet tighter around it.
So when the carpet got old and rotten, Mr. Droops fell right on through and scared the living shit out of himself.
So, uh, here's a story.
It relates kind of to the hackery media thing by, I don't know, you're trying to play the system and trying to win a game that is stacked against you.
And it's been frustrating as ever-living shit.
But it's been kind of interesting in retrospect.
And when I'm not really mad and just slamming a hammer against my head,
I think about it and I'm like, you know, it's actually kind of interesting.
Now, I live in a small town.
And many of you do live in small towns.
I know that's what drew me to listening to shows like this.
Because I didn't have friends that I could just bullshit with about computers every day, you know, hanging out at my house.
But I could ride around and listen to Dual Parallel and Bland talk about just a phone conversation between two guys interested in technology.
And that really, uh, I don't know, it stuck with me because I'm still helping out with as much as I can.
But, uh, this little small town, um, it's not who you know, actually, excuse me, it's not what you can do, kind of how nice you are.
It's who you know, really who you know, and if you're from here or not.
We've been having trouble with our dog catcher.
And our dog catcher has been extorting us by coming to our house, capturing our dogs, and, uh, charging me money to get them back.
And, uh, now granted, I let my dogs run free.
I don't have a fence.
We're working on that.
But we're, uh, we're actually arguing with our lesbian neighbors about, uh, where our property line is.
And Mr. Low Tech Mystic found our, uh, little spike that's been driven into the ground.
Because our property line's like a foot from their house.
And they don't really want me to build a fence right there because they're trying to claim part of our yard.
It's really ridiculous.
Just pointless arguments that just waste everyone's time.
But, uh, the other day, I was, I woke to my dog's barking.
And I came outside and saw the dog catcher pulling my dog from my yard into his truck.
And my first thought was just go shoot him.
And that's probably not the best thing to do.
So, I just gave him his money.
And, uh, I'm in my underwear in my front yard.
And the old lady across the street's looking at me.
You know, whatever.
But, uh, maybe it's just amusing to me.
So, anyway, we go to City Hall to find out what the laws are.
Um, and, uh, what really prompted us to go there was the fact that the, uh, dog catcher, I caught him again.
And I called all the dogs into the house.
And he called the police on us.
And a policeman came to my house.
I had my screen door latched.
And I opened my front door.
And he goes to open the screen door and come right on in.
Well, I don't know.
There's this new law.
It's called the Fourth Amendment that says they can't come in your house unless they have a warrant.
They can't go in your vehicle.
And they can't search you without a warrant describing the person or the place they're searching,
the time they're going to be searching, and what they're looking for.
So, when a policeman comes to your house, unless he has a reason like a domestic disturbance or, you know, something,
he can't just, like, come on in.
Well, he, of course, tries to intimidate and says,
oh, you want to do this the hard way when I wouldn't unlatch my screen door
so he could, you know, throw that Fourth Amendment thing out of the way,
you know, just get rid of that thing and come right on in.
So, we spoke with him for a while.
And he told us that we had to have an under, we could have, excuse me, an underground fence, which we do have.
And then he told us we couldn't.
Because if you tell us, you know, two things, then you can always claim you just said one of them, because you did.
And, you know, that to me is law enforcement.
When you don't know the laws, but you'll just listen to any ignorant dog catcher and try to just come in my house.
So, we go down to City Hall to find out what the laws are.
And it comes to find out there is no law about how I have my dogs pinned up as long as they're, quote, contained.
Now, contained could mean I'm in the front yard, the dogs are in the front yard, and they're running around.
Could mean I'm in the front yard, the dogs are in the backyard chained up behind a fence.
It could mean the dogs are not bothering anyone, and they're sitting in the neighbor's yard getting some sun.
It's kind of, you know, an open word.
And instead of specifying how the dogs should be contained, they just say contained in the law.
And then we find that the dog catcher can't come into our yard unless there is a formal complaint filed at City Hall.
And I guess the lesson to this is, don't take shit from people.
The dog catcher won't tell us his name or give us a receipt.
So, they just tell us the dog catcher's an idiot, and they're going to call us, and we shouldn't.
They're going to call the dog catcher's boss and, you know, tell him not to come and bother us.
Now, that's what we got.
We're not from here.
The policeman asked me my name.
I told him, and then he asked you from here.
That was his second question.
How is that the law?
But it's how you have to play the system.
We have a neighbor who's a nice guy.
He went to high school with the mayor.
He got much farther than we did.
He's not even involved in it.
We went down there to file a complaint.
Got nowhere.
But he, you know, calls his buddy up and can take care of the problem.
It's very interesting.
Anyway, we rented this office building, and not only have we fallen through the floor, we're doing a little remodeling on it, and it's been sitting vacant, and it just looks like ass.
All the neighbors complain about it, and they're all excited that we're working on it.
In fact, one of the neighbors has come to help.
Most nights that we go out there, he's out there, and he has helped us strip out plaster off the wall, which isn't just like knocking down drywall.
It's a brick wall with plaster on it that you have to hammer off, inch by motherfucking inch, and then haul it all away.
And he has helped us with that.
He helped us with painting our ceiling.
It's a big old ceiling, and it's a pain in the ass.
And he's been very much helpful.
The back of the building is rotten.
It seems that someone didn't know how to shut a door, and there's a lot of water damage and some termite damage to the underneath of the building.
We had to completely rip out the entire back floor.
And there is a point to this, I guess.
Maybe I'm just bitching.
But we had to rip out the entire back floor and replace that and replace part of the main beam because it was very rotten.
Like you could take a hammer and go straight through the main beam that's, you know, holding up the building.
You know, kind of important stuff.
We had to remove the toilet because if you sat on it, you would fall through the floor.
That's safe.
And it's perfectly legal for me to rent a building like this.
You know, with ass.
Because it's called Grandfathered Inn.
And there's no code.
There's no nothing.
It's just how it is.
So we have been working on this building.
My hammer was trying to...
I have a big claw hammer with a wooden handle, thank God.
And I was trying to pull a nail out of a board that was rotten as living shit.
And this was the only solid part in this thing.
Well, the main wire to our circuit breaker is exposed.
My hammer hits it.
I don't realize this is a live wire.
Because it just...
It's crap.
Like, you could just hit it with your finger and the casing, whatever it's called, the sheathing, would just fall straight off.
And made a really big spark.
Took out part of my hammer.
And that wasn't good.
And that's perfectly legal.
Because it's Grandfathered Inn.
You only have to replace it if you start monkeying with it.
So we get to working on this.
Now, it's a big...
It's divided into two rooms.
A big room and then like a little storage area in the back.
And we're building some dividers.
It's a 14-foot ceiling or a 12-foot ceiling.
It's one of those.
And we built some 8-foot dividers.
They're not attached to anything.
They're actually freestanding.
And it's made out of 2x4s.
And we're about to put some drywall up.
We wanted to run some electrical outlets through it.
And we use Romex wire.
Which is a double insulated wire.
That yellow wire that's inside all your new houses.
That powers up all of your outlets.
You don't have to run it in conduit.
It's great stuff, even though it's expensive.
We do all this for four little offices.
And lighting above it.
Have a little switch to turn it on.
And power outlets in the office.
All the good stuff.
We're working on that today.
Actually building some more lights.
And the building inspector comes in.
And he informs us that we're doing it improperly.
And some of the points he made were kind of valid.
Like, you know, you have to have your wiring done properly.
And if anyone listening to this radio show can't figure out how to wire an outlet properly.
You're a fucking retard.
Because the people that do this for a living are usually not like college educated, really smart guys.
They're the guys that never left home.
You know, they live in the same small town.
Or live in the same town.
The guy wiring the outlet is not the awesome electrician.
It's the guy that can't really get a good electrician's job.
You know, it's not a high-end kind of job.
And I can do this.
And we tested it all and it worked.
Anyway, come in to find out that the town isn't getting enough money off of us.
Now, let's trace the path of the money.
How this goes.
First off, I go down to a store in town.
And I buy an outlet.
Okay?
I buy the box the outlet goes in.
I buy the little fancy couplings to hook all that crap together.
And I buy the really expensive wire.
I pay taxes on all that.
It goes to, you know, to the government.
Then I go to my business, which I'm starting in the town, which will bring, you know, jobs for people and money for the town.
And that's good.
So I give that to them, you know, via my business.
And I live in the town, so I pay taxes here and all that and the other.
And I wire this stuff up.
Well, that's not enough.
I have to have a certified electrician do this.
Okay?
My framing, my non-load bearing framing, the only thing it's holding up is the drywall that's screwed into it.
Done properly.
But it wasn't done by a certified contractor.
So, yeah, that's not going to work either.
Where my toilet would fall through the floor and I removed it.
But I have to have a certified plumber to replace it because it's a commercial building.
Now, I can fall through the floor and that's cool.
But if I want to fix it, you know, because it takes a fucking rocket scientist, you know, that passed a test to install a fucking toilet.
It's two fucking bolts.
You hook the water up and then you put the little gooey shit in there.
It's not a hard thing.
The wax ring is the proper term.
It's not a hard thing.
Well, how do these people get certified?
Well, they, oh, they give the money to the town to say, hey, these people are certified by our town to do this.
And then I have to go to the people that give out the certifications and get a permit to replace the floor that I was falling through.
Or to build a non-load bearing wall.
Or to renovate a bathroom because the toilet was going to fall through the floor.
Shit like that.
So I have to give all kind of people money, all kind of people money to, you know, have a building where I won't fall through the floor.
And I can, I don't know, plug something into an outlet without the ceiling sparking because the lights are fucking failing and shitty and not done right.
But that's okay because that was pre-existing.
Now, um, the guy that's been helping us with all this stuff, he's renovated several buildings downtown.
He's not a licensed contractor.
He gets to do it.
Why?
Because he's from the town.
They don't care.
Oh, he's lived here his whole life.
Might as well let him do it.
So we're trying to figure out ways of playing the system.
One way, we thought, was just to pay the 25 bucks and become a certified contractor.
Pass the test.
I've seen the people that pass this thing.
Why can't I pass it with a little study?
I mean, it can't be that hard.
And then, uh, pay myself to inspect my work, which was perfectly suitably fine.
You know, like, it was, it's great.
It works.
The building inspector looked at it and, like, it's good, but it has to be certified by someone that we say can certify it.
So that's just a load of crap.
So several days' worth of our work has kind of gone downhill.
And because we have to argue with, with stupid crap.
Now, I can understand if we're in a major metropolitan area and everyone kind of has to follow the same rules, that's one thing.
But if you're going to let some guys get away with it, huh, that's fucked up.
Because I'm not from here.
Of course, if I went to my little small town that I'm from, then I could do whatever I wanted.
Because I'm from there.
You know, kind of silly, kind of silly.
Well, that, that burned up 20 minutes of time.
Sorry about that, everyone.
I needed to just bitch for a little while.
And it makes me happy that thousands of people will listen to my complaints and say,
Droops is a fucking retard.
Why is he even talking on the radio?
But, uh, whatever.
All complaints.
Droops at gmail.com.
Or radio at binrev.com.
Let's see.
So we have a topic on this show.
And now that I've, I'm almost in a good mood, I might say.
But I'm not, really.
Let's complain a little bit more.
Now, we've been on the subject of hacker media from the last show.
And we're trying to tie in each show, kind of get them to do things.
And I've actually contacted some people that are not in our little hacker media scene,
but create things that we would enjoy.
And we're going to try to get them on the big radio show.
So I'm, I'm doing stuff other than just sitting on my ass and getting yelled at by building contractors
because I'm not from the town.
And, uh, we're going to talk about projects today.
We're going to talk about what, what do we do?
Like, um, sitting in IRC all day bitching or just talking about nothing is not hacking.
You're pretty much just a faggot fanboy or, sorry if that offends anybody, I'm, I feel bad.
But, uh, you, you're just wasting time.
If you're sitting in IRC helping someone, you know, you're teaching someone, I would call that hacking.
Because you're creating a spark in somebody, maybe.
I don't know.
Um, but a lot of us do a lot of things.
Like, Mr. Iron Geek does a lot of shit.
And he, uh, does really cool shit.
And the, the DDP does little cool things.
You know, they produce this.
They make little projects.
They help people in the forums, this, that, and the other.
That's coolness.
People produce all kind of content all around.
You can go to sites like Hackaday.
And here's someone that's made something that's frickin' cool.
You know, and they're trying to share it with the world.
Here's how you do it.
And that's really awesome.
And then you have your people that say,
Oh, it's fuckin' retarded.
Fuck that.
Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.
It's stupid.
But, you know, like if I made a TV show
that was worse than the stuff I usually make
and someone was to come out and say,
That's fuckin' stupid.
Then that person is a jackass.
Shit will float to the bottom.
If I don't like something,
doesn't mean someone else doesn't like it.
Like, uh, a few months ago,
Mr. Low Tech Mystic could not use Linux
near what he needed to be using it.
And we taught him.
And now he's going at it.
But a few months ago,
he'd been really interested
in a very basic Linux show
that would have been bored the shit out of me.
And I would have said,
Well, that's pretty stupid.
You know?
But I wouldn't go tell him,
Hey, you're an idiot
for making something
fuckin' immature and retarded.
Because some people enjoy it.
Like a twat radio.
Some of the topics don't interest me
at fuckin' all.
But some of them interest,
you know, really pique my interest.
And I'm sure I don't have
the same opinions as everyone else.
And that's kind of how it works.
So, uh,
I don't know.
I'm kind of trying to make
the show topic
to not just droops rambling along,
but to make the show topic,
we try,
with the Binary Revolution,
to promote the ideal
that hacking
is a community effort.
And by people having projects
and people helping with projects,
people encouraging with projects,
people just
giving a comment
to help things,
that's hacking.
It doesn't matter
how frickin' leapsore you are
if you can own my boxes
sitting in my house,
which,
I could own them.
I don't care.
if you're working alone,
you're not helping
the community.
And if you're not
learning,
you're not helping yourself.
If I'm doing the same shit
every day,
that's not hacking.
That's
ridiculous.
That's me not learning
anything.
At this business
we're trying to start up,
we have a large area
that's our little
hacking area
so that we can have
our soldering iron
and we can do
our hardware stuff
and we can have
our software stuff
and we can play around
with whatever we want
and have a bunch of shelves
to store all our crap
so that I can get it
out of my house
and so that
we can have an area
that people can come
and play with our toys
and have a good time
and learn.
And I don't know,
I'm kind of rambling now.
So I think this is
a wonderful time
to switch over
to Mr. Stank Dog.
I gave him a little holler
way before the show
was supposed to be out.
I'm sorry, guys.
But listen to Stank Dog
for a little while.
Captain Kangaroo Show.
What's up, player?
Just chilling.
Good deal.
Mind in mind.
Awesome.
So what are we doing
tonight there, buddy?
Well, we are going to talk
for a minute
and only a few minutes
about...
Are we already recording?
Yes.
So is that whole
little buddy
Captain Kangaroo thing
going on there?
Oh, yeah.
Well...
Anyway...
I've almost got enough
for an hour and a half
clip show
just out of the last show.
Out of the last show?
Okay.
But, uh...
Let's see.
I was going to talk...
But anyway, yeah.
You can edit that
first part out.
Okay.
All right.
Let's start now.
So, what's going on there,
Drufs?
What are we talking
about tonight, buddy?
Well, today, sir,
we are going to be
talking about
the revolution
that we've kind of
got going on
and about people
that are not helping
the revolution
and people that are.
I mean, how long
is the show, man?
I don't know if we
have enough time
for all that.
Well, we're going to
do an eight-hour
episode, actually.
Well, that might
get us through the A's.
Well, that will
get us through the A's.
Good deal.
Maybe the B's.
I don't know.
Good thing your name
starts with S
and mine starts with D.
Yeah.
Well, um...
Well, how exactly
do you want to talk
about this?
See, I just kind of
went into a little bit
of this on the premiere
of Season 4,
the premiere episode
that we did at Hope,
but shall I do
like a kind of
maybe an overview
or a review
for some of the
new listeners
about what the
Binary Revolution
is all about
and what it means?
I think that would
be an excellent idea,
Mr. Stinky.
That would be helpful
because, see,
a lot of people,
quite honestly,
don't even know
what BINREV stands for.
BINREV.com
stands for
The Binary Revolution,
which is kind of
this, well, revolution,
which is pretty much
self-descriptive there.
It's kind of a new mindset
or a new way of thinking,
kind of this change
in the hacking scene
that we've been
trying to create,
something we've been
trying to move forward
with for several years now,
and I think we're
making some progress.
Sometimes it feels
that every time
you take a step forward
you get knocked back a step,
but I think overall
we've been taking
two forward
to get knocked back one,
so I think we're still
making some headway.
Good deal.
But basically,
and people who have
been in the scene
for a while
can maybe
either back me up
on this
or completely disagree
with me on this,
but hacking
was different
not so awful long ago,
a generation ago,
if you want to speak
in generational terms
of hackers,
which is probably
five years
the way technology goes.
So when you were
like around 40.
Right.
So before I cross
the 50 barrier,
now probably
five to ten years ago,
maybe a little bit more,
there was no real community.
I mean,
I think that's really
the key word,
and it's kind of a word.
You never heard
the word community
to refer to hackers
before a few years ago.
And actually,
I credit that
to Dual Parallel.
He was very big
on that word,
very big on community.
And one of the things
that he and I
have always agreed on
and always liked
is, you know,
the whole aspect
of working together,
being friends
and friendly with people,
helping each other out.
And maybe that's part
of our personalities
combined with our
hacking interests.
But we thought
that, you know,
it might be something good
to start a new
community of hacking,
kind of show people
that hacking
is not all this
sitting alone
in your basement
with the computers on
and the lights off
and not sleeping
and drinking Jolt Cola
and whatever other
cliches they have
for hacking.
It's not like that anymore.
It's changed.
It certainly was
and there's not really
a whole lot of debate.
I mean,
there are many times
I spent in the dark
hacking all through the night
back when I was able
to stay up all night
without sleep.
But it's changed now.
And I think that we
as a community
or as individual hackers even
need to grow
and adapt with that.
So the binary revolution
was something
that I just kind of
made up one day
and I knew
in the beginning
it was a huge undertaking.
I hoped that it would
actually be a revolution.
I hoped that enough people
would be on board
and feel the same way
that I do
insofar as
instead of
instead of us
turning people away
from hacking
and chasing people
away from hacking,
we want more people
to become hackers.
Now,
I'm not going to go
into a rant
on what a hacker
is or isn't.
I think we've beaten
that horse
to a bloody pulp.
I think that horse
has been beaten
to death.
And if we beat it
anymore,
we might get PETA.
PETA?
Whatever that group
is called after us.
Yeah,
those nut jobs.
Well,
pretty much just to
generalize what a hacker is,
just real quick,
it's large genitalia,
right?
Exactly,
exactly.
You know we're going
to get a hate mail
from PETA members now,
right?
Because I just said that.
But anyway,
they are nut jobs.
But that's neither here nor there.
I don't know if they're
as big of nut jobs
as the,
what is that,
Scientology?
But anyway,
I digress.
The binary revolution,
we've got to mix
a little humor in here.
Oh yeah.
The binary revolution,
to get back on topic here,
is the other thing
about the community
in the past
was not only
that we were
solitary creatures,
but that when
someone new
came into the community,
I guess,
for lack of a better word,
they had to earn
their stripes,
so to speak.
They had to learn
it on their own.
They had to teach
themselves.
They had to get
into the trenches.
And they had to spend
years and years
and years
just to kind of
get up to speed
and just to kind of
even learn the mindset.
You know?
And truthfully,
you should have
that going in.
Most people do have
that curiosity
and stuff in common.
But more to the point
of learning
and getting people
up to speed quickly
on general security concepts
about the hacking mindset
in general,
about thinking outside
the box,
things like that.
And more specifically,
actual applications
and thoughts,
processes of how to hack.
So it's so all-encompassing now.
There's so many different things
that can be done.
There's no one person
can learn it all.
Back in the day,
you didn't have
the global interweb,
which kind of added
a whole new,
I don't know,
a whole new world
of hacking,
if you will.
So back then,
it was a little bit easier
and people knew
a lot more,
if you want to look at it
as the greater percentage
of computer knowledge
that there was
because there was
a limited amount
of knowledge to know.
I don't know
if that sentence
made any sense at all.
So now,
anyway,
the binary revolution
is really
an attempt
to get people
to help each other
so that instead
of us working
solo,
instead of us
working by ourselves,
and even worse,
instead of us
being kicked down
and kicked backwards
by the hackers
that are already out there,
the older generation
of hackers,
and having this elitism
of you have to learn
it yourself.
I'm not going
to show you anything.
You're a noob
just because you
ask a question.
And that was one
of my biggest things
is I did go
through the trenches.
I did learn
a lot of stuff.
I was around
in that generation.
Old jokes aside,
I am old.
I was around back then.
And as technology evolved,
no matter how much
you know,
there's always more
out there to learn.
And I guess
some of the old school
hackers never let go
of the fact
that they couldn't
know everything.
They could never
admit to that.
They could never
come to terms
or come to grips
with that
in their own reality.
whereas I have
no problem
saying that
I don't know squat
compared to what
kids coming up now.
And, you know,
when I say kids,
I mean kids.
There were 13,
14,
15-year-old kids
that are learning
stuff that I never
even dreamed of.
You know,
they're teaching
stuff now in school
that we didn't
even have available
when I was coming up.
There are security
things,
security topics,
I guess,
out there now
that weren't even
dreamed of back then.
And to know all of them
and to get up to speed
and earn your stripes
is a ridiculous notion now
because you'll never
ever learn
all of those basics.
It's just too hard
and too time-consuming
to sit
and teach yourself
everything there is
to know about hacking,
even basic level hacking.
So,
part of the revolution
is let's stop doing this.
Let's stop flying solo.
Let's stop kicking
each other down
is the bigger part of it.
And let's start
helping each other up.
You know,
and one of the things
I know it's,
maybe it's become
cliche for me,
but I still love
this statement
that I've always put
on my websites
and stuff
is that hacking
is about construction,
not destruction.
You know,
it's about creating things,
it's about working together,
it's about helping each other
and all of us moving forward,
even if it's just
a little bit of knowledge
shared amongst all of us,
that to me
is a positive benefit
to the hacking community
that has now existed
and I still think
that even though
there's a little bit
of drama here and there
and people come
and go from the scene,
people come on
and they'll see
a hacking website,
but they,
some people,
you just can't
make them see,
you can't make them learn.
I mean,
we've,
you know,
even very recently
we've lost people
who,
you know,
we won't mention names
or anything,
I like that
because I think people see
others come and go,
but that,
you know,
they're,
they like the site,
they like some of the people
on the site,
but they just never got
the idea of what
the revolution is all about.
If you really want to be
an active,
productive member
of Binary Revolution,
if you want to impress me,
if you want to make,
put a smile on my face,
in legal ways of course,
come to the site
and produce stuff.
Even if it's,
listen,
I know that people work
for a living
and they go to school
for a living
and they're out
trying to get laid
and all the other things
that go along with life.
But even if you just come
and become a productive
poster in the forums,
you don't have to go out
and make your own radio show.
We certainly would help
and support as much
as we can if you did.
A lot of people
have done that.
You can come write articles
if you've got time
or if that interests you.
I like writing myself
and some people,
some other people
might as well.
Some people don't.
Maybe they'd prefer
doing a radio show.
Maybe they'd prefer
filming video footage
for Hack TV
or other shows.
If they just want to come
and hang out in IRC
and chat during the day
and have somebody
to bounce questions off of.
Any of these things
is productive
as opposed to
coming into a forum
and saying,
you're a noob,
you suck,
going into IRC
talking about how bad
a radio show is
or how bad,
oh, your product is terrible
and I can't stand
Doc Droppers,
what a horrible website
that is.
Okay,
either make one
that's better
or help us fix
the one that we have.
And there's the line
that gets crossed.
There's the big difference
and this is what
separates the revolutionaries
from,
and I don't care
if they're hackers or not,
you can be a hacker
and still be a sheep.
I know that's a concept.
Hackers hate to be
referred to as sheep
because we think
the everyday person,
the commoner,
is the sheep
or the sheeple.
But you know what?
You've got to come out here
and do something.
You can talk,
talk,
talk all day long.
There's a lot of talkers
in the world
and they're called politicians.
How about we actually
do something?
We produce something.
Anything.
And I've heard this argument
and Drew's done.
Let me tell you,
let me ask you
because I'm sitting here
just babbling off
what you know
I can do sometimes.
I was going to say
blathering.
Okay.
Let me ask you this question
and see what your opinion is
because I think
we might agree on this
but is there such thing
because this was posed
to me recently
and I tried to debate
or make the person
see the light
in my opinion.
Maybe I'm wrong.
Is there such thing
as a bad contribution
to the hacking community?
I mean,
if somebody makes something
that's just,
frankly,
not good,
is that a bad thing?
If someone makes something
that is not good,
okay,
so let's say
I saw a radio show
called Impenomicon
and it sucks.
Okay.
And instead of people
emailing me
and saying,
hey, Droops,
this sucks.
This is freaking retarded.
You're a fuckhead.
And then going into forums
and saying,
Droops sucks.
He made a stupid-ass radio show.
People could either say,
hey, Droops,
here's some things
you could do
to do it better
and maybe help me
improve mine
or say,
Droops is an idiot
to themselves.
I could do something
better than he can
and then try to build
off of my mistakes
and make something better.
So, no.
I don't think
that anyone
that makes a contribution,
even how bad it is,
would spark an idea,
it might spark an idea
in someone else
and make something better.
Well,
what about
public disclosure?
What about,
you know,
going out into,
say,
a public forum
or an IRC channel
or something like that
and saying,
hey,
everybody,
InfoNomicon radio sucks.
Well,
that just lets everyone
know around them
that they're just
being a jackass
because if it sucks,
you're probably not
the first person
to recognize that
and if you're going
to be the jackass
and not try to help
and you just want to,
ooh,
I noticed that it sucked,
I'm really cool,
you're just making
yourself a jackass
and at least it tells
other people,
hey,
I'm a jackass.
Right,
and also,
you know,
that's also
an opinion-based thing.
What you think sucks,
other people may like.
This is true.
The truth of the matter is,
the truth of the matter is,
on that note,
the stuff that sucks,
and I'm not saying this,
believe me,
there is some stuff
in the hacking scene,
the hacking community
or whatever that sucks.
There are articles that suck.
Mine may fall into that sometimes,
the radio shows.
Like every DDP project ever?
Ever,
every single one.
Every one of them.
You know,
we're not down there
with the InfoNomicon computer club
or anything,
but you know,
we're towards the bottom.
No,
but I mean,
the truth of the matter is,
joking aside,
the fact is,
the crappy products,
the crappy projects,
excuse me,
that people do,
they're going to filter themselves
to the bottom
and eventually disappear.
They don't hurt anybody necessarily.
If you're getting false information
or misinformation,
that's kind of a little bit different
because if somebody hears it
and thinks that is truth,
then yes,
that can be a problem,
but I think for the most part,
it's one of those
self-policing things
where if somebody makes
a misstatement
and believe me,
if anybody who's listened
to the show knows
that I give an email address
at the end
to say,
if I've made any mistakes
or misspoke about anything,
by all means,
let me know
and I'll throw it out right now.
This is just an opinion of mine.
This is what the binary revolution
is about.
This is the goal
is to bring people together,
work on projects
and things like that
and try to get things done.
That's what my opinion is.
That's what my goal is
for the binary revolution
and it's going to stay that way
and I hope people
will be on board with it.
Now,
if you have any suggestions
to make it better,
by all means,
email me
and let me know.
by all means,
if you really want to be a jackass,
you can go to the forums
and say,
listen,
Stank Dogg,
about that rant you went on,
you fucking jackass.
I hope you burn in hell.
You can do that too
but which one of those
do you think
is actually productive
and might actually help
the situation
and which one of those
is going to really harm
or hurt the situation
and, again,
make you look like
a complete jackass?
Even if you're brilliant,
you could be Albert Einstein
for all I care
but it's the way
you go about doing things.
So, yeah,
I just want people
to get together
and, like,
a lot of the times
I get frustrated with
and I admit it
that I kind of go
into these little
negativity zones
in the short term
where I'm like,
fuck everybody,
I get pissed off
because, you know,
nobody helps
or, you know,
at least if somebody
tries to help,
I can never fault them
for that.
You know,
I've had people
that, you know,
they just end up
something happens
in real life
and they can't come through
with it or whatever.
That's one thing.
That's understandable.
But for somebody
that just complains
or somebody
that just, you know,
talks a bunch of shit
but doesn't do anything
on their own
to back it up
or to help the situation,
I really don't have
a whole lot of sympathy
for that.
Hardly in agreement, buddy.
Yeah, well,
and to put it
in perspective,
I used to,
one of the things
I used to do
on the show
in the early days
and enough people,
we won't say complain,
but enough people
made comment
that it kind of
took up too much time
and they weren't
interested in it
was the statistics
from the sites
and the things
that we do.
So I'll briefly mention
at least the statistics
because I'm rather
proud of it.
Generally speaking,
the binary revolution
from when we started it,
I mean,
we started the binary revolution,
we were getting less
than 100 unique visits a day
and those were mostly,
you know,
my friends.
That was me
and Duel
and Bland
and, you know,
the regular crew,
Wintermute,
Nick84
who's been around
since the beginning
who's still brilliant
by the way.
Shouts to Nick.
Hell yeah.
From less than 100 unique hits a day
back when it was on
stayingdog.com
and we branched it off
and said,
you know,
let's start this revolution,
let's really make this happen
to today,
which is,
gosh,
what,
three or four years later?
I don't even know.
I'd have to go look that up
to,
so far,
this is,
let's see,
this is August of 2006
and we have broken
on a couple days
this past two months
over 10,000 unique visits a day.
10,000
up from 100
when we started
a few years ago.
Even one year ago,
even one year ago,
we were around 4,000
and some unique visitors,
so we've doubled
like basically every year,
incrementally,
we've been doubling
and doubling
every year
since we've been out there.
So,
you know,
even if something
that we does sucks
and I certainly wouldn't argue
that it doesn't,
we have had a few bad episodes
of the show,
we've hopefully
had a few good ones,
good articles
mixed with bad articles,
we try,
we do what we can
and you know what,
with us all helping each other
and working together,
it can only get better
all the time.
So,
some people are obviously
getting something out of it
and I've also said before
and I'm going to say this again
and I can't be,
I can't make it
any more sincere,
I'm being completely honest
when I say this
because another thing
that people have said to me
is that I'm like
this big glory hound
and I'm a media whore
or whatever,
I'll gladly
give up my name,
I'll take my name
off of things
if it will get someone else
to go out
and produce something.
These projects
that I come up with
and these ideas
that I come up with,
that's how I,
that's how members
get into DDP
is that these are people
that actually do stuff
and impress me
and show me things
and when we come up
with project ideas,
we all work on them,
we all share them
and you work on this
and I'll work on that,
that's a great feeling
so if I can go out there
and give someone an idea
or inspire someone,
hey,
you know,
Snank was talking about
this on the show,
maybe I can do this about it,
maybe I can write
some code around this,
what if I script that?
If you do that,
that means more to me
than anything.
I'll gladly,
I don't want any credit,
I don't want my name on it,
I don't care if I have,
I'll help you out,
I'll co-author it,
I'll edit it,
I'll do anything
and you don't even have
to give me credit on it
if you don't want to.
It's not about that,
it's about put up
or shut up,
do it,
do it
and I think,
Droops,
that you,
and I don't want to speak
for anybody else,
but you,
the Infonomicon guys,
DDP,
myself specifically,
I will bend over backwards,
I'll do anything I can
to help people out
when it comes to producing stuff.
If I can offer you
free hosting,
advice,
suggestions,
look over your code,
anything,
that I can do
to help out,
I will gladly do it
and you don't,
I don't need my name on it,
I don't need any credit,
I don't need any thanks,
I just want somebody
to do something.
That's what BinRev
is all about
and a lot of people
have done it.
Look at the list of shows
that have come out of this,
look at the list of,
look at the video shows,
that's the other thing
that blows my mind.
We created Hack TV,
it was unheard of
and now look how many
hacking video shows
or technology video shows
that call themselves
hacking shows,
there are out there.
That's fine,
I think that's great,
the more the merrier
and again,
the ones that suck
are going to filter
to the bottom
and hey,
maybe that's Hack TV's destiny
was to inspire others
to do great things
and we'll filter to the bottom
as the crappiest one of all,
that's okay with me.
We prompted other people
to do stuff
and that is the most
important thing
and I'm actually pacing
in my office right now
and I'm starting to sweat
because I'm on the podium
here pounding.
You can stop me
at any time if you want
because I could certainly
keep going for an hour
and a half on this subject.
Well,
that'll save me some work.
Well,
I think we'll wrap it up.
I mean,
the biggest message there is
and I kind of,
like I said,
I went into this a little bit
at Hope
and if you want to see the video,
you'll see me.
I was really sweating there.
I was really just
up and down the aisles
when I was going off
on that one
but I really sincerely
mean this,
people.
I will help anybody
do things.
It's not about
any perceived fame
or any other crap like that.
It's not about
being a media whore.
It's not about
any of that stuff.
I'll help anybody
put something,
I would rather help
ten people put things out
than put ten things out myself.
I really would.
I don't care if
Stang Dog ever releases
another thing ever
if other people
are doing it better.
Hell yeah.
I can't say it
any better than that.
That's why he gave me
the radio show
because I'm so much better.
Exactly.
Well, come on.
I mean,
that goes without saying.
Do we really even
have to say that?
I mean,
everybody listening
knows that.
I mean,
come on.
I'm just honored
that you allowed me
to be on the episode.
Oh, yeah.
But do you think,
is the revolution working?
I mean,
you and I kind of
talked about this before.
Or, you know,
why is the revolution failing?
Why the revolution will fail?
Is it failing?
Well,
I mean,
with the increase
of those numbers,
I mean,
I just can't see
that it's failing.
It may be failing
at certain parts
or it may be
underachieving,
I think is a better word.
Yeah,
I would definitely
go with underachieving.
We're trying to,
over at the
Imponomicon site,
we're trying
to figure out
ways of getting
people motivated
to do things.
And we like
to help people
that don't have
a particular goal
in mind
and maybe they'll
just be malicious
and annoying
and we can give
them something
positive to do
and a little
community base
that they can,
you know,
use.
And we started
that TWAT radio show
expecting to have
ten episodes
that me and
Dossman recorded
and have one person
send one in.
You know,
so Dossman and I
would do nine of them.
And like that thing
is almost on
episode 140 now.
And it's not been
an everyday thing
but the community
has really stepped up
and it's a lot
of the same people.
But they've really
stepped up and said,
hey,
this is a good idea,
I want to help with it.
And,
I don't know,
the magazine's been
getting out really slow.
The DDP's been
putting out the,
what's the name
of that damn thing?
the BinRev magazine.
I've been calling it
lately,
I've been calling it
Break magazine.
It kind of rolls
off the tongue
a little bit better.
Maybe when we relaunch
it'll be Break magazine.
But,
yeah,
that goes back
to what I said earlier
about the whole
real life thing.
And actually,
I'm glad you brought
that up,
Drew.
What a great thing
to bring up right now
because we could
certainly use some artists,
people who have
absolute definite experience
in print layout
and print technology.
If you've done
magazine layout,
design work,
stuff like that,
please get in touch
with us because
we could certainly
use the help.
But,
yeah,
the people we've
been having
working on that
out of both,
in both cases
have ended up
getting married
and moving
and getting new jobs,
et cetera,
which,
again,
always comes first.
I think the magazine's
a lot harder to do.
Oh,
yeah,
well,
it's not as
instantly gratifying.
It's difficult to do
well.
It's difficult to do
right.
You know,
I could throw
something out there
and I'm biting my tongue
on insulting another magazine
but I could throw
some stuff out there
and get her done
but,
you know,
I'm very proud
of both the look
and the feel
and the content
of BinRev magazine.
So,
yeah,
to do it right
is a whole different thing
and anybody who's seen
those magazines
will know,
you know,
how incredible
the work that
Logan Five
and Cypher X
have done
in the magazine
in the past
and,
you know,
they have big shoes
to fill
but if anybody
does have,
you know,
experience
and thinks
that they can handle
it,
you can take a look
at the samples
that are on the website
or if you have
physical access
to the magazines
through your friends
or through ordering them.
By the way,
I've sent out
a lot of orders.
We had some order
fulfillment problems
there for a little while
that I was just
recently made aware of
so Phil sent a bunch
of those out
actually just before
we recorded this
so they are on their way
so hopefully we'll get
a lot of that stuff
squared away
and temporarily
while we take care
of those people
and send our apologies
to of course
we have taken off
the orders temporarily
so right now
we've got to kind of
regroup and see
exactly where we stand
with the magazine
and hopefully there will be
a future there
but that's for us
to decide.
It's kind of expensive too
which is another thing
that comes into play.
Good deal.
Well we're hoping
our site we haven't
announced yet
is going to help
with the whole
getting people motivated
to do things.
We're really looking
forward to that.
Very cool.
Now are you announcing
that on the end of the show?
We are actually.
Cool.
It'll be good to see
what kind of feedback
there is.
And again,
anybody that
I sincerely mean this
if you have any feedback
on what I view
as the hacking community
and my thoughts
on the revolution
and what it stands for
if you agree or disagree
either way
please send us an email.
I would love to hear it
and hear your thoughts
because I make mistakes.
Well,
I made a mistake once.
Well I thought I did
but I was mistaken
so I really didn't
see that little
double joke there.
Never mind.
So I love that
Mother Fire
wasn't a mistake now?
Why don't you make up
your damn mind?
I had been drinking.
You know,
when you start drinking
things happen
you know,
truth or dare
spin the bottle.
Look.
My lingerie.
Hey,
all I know is
there's only one person
in DDP
who's ever carried
Big Red
in their suitcase
with them
to a hacking convention.
That's all I'm doing.
I'm not going
any further than that.
Were you staying
in the room
with old Big Red?
Unfortunately,
yes I was.
A little inside joke.
We'll have to leave
that one all alone.
Let's leave that one hanging.
Somebody's laughing
out there right now.
I walk into the room
and there's Big Red
just sitting there.
And I was like,
what the hell
are y'all doing?
Oh,
shit.
We might have to
end up explaining
that one later.
But for now,
it's the biggest red
I've ever seen.
What if his baggage
would have been
searched in the airport?
What would he have said?
Well,
that's not,
yeah,
that's not exactly
something you take
on carry-on.
No.
Because you can't
explain,
especially whatever,
by the way,
I want to send
a big fat fuck you
out to these people.
Now,
I can't even carry
fucking toothpaste
and shampoo
and shit
when I travel,
which for those
of you who don't know,
I travel quite a bit
for a living.
I can't even carry
my fucking toothpaste.
Now,
because of you fuckers
out there,
you fucking terrorists
out there
that want to try
to take fucking piss bombs
or whatever the hell
they were doing
on the airplane,
I can't carry on
my luggage anymore
and jump right off
the plane
and get where
I need to go.
I got to go
fucking check my bag
and then I got to
get there and hope
that the fucking thing
made it in one piece
and wait 15 minutes
for it to come out.
Oh,
fucked up my whole
way of life,
basically.
Yeah.
So,
big fat fuck you
to them.
Yeah.
As if they listen,
but whatever.
Never know.
Oh,
Lordy.
You never know.
That's right.
Well,
troops,
thank you for having
me on the show
there,
buddy.
I appreciate
the platform.
Well,
thank you for coming
on to the big show,
Mr. Stinky.
And I hope
people will
take heed
and partake
of your big announcement
upcoming
at the end of the show
and I,
of course,
kind of know about it,
but,
you know,
wait until everybody
else hears it.
Oh,
yeah,
and good job
on HackerMedia.org,
the new relaunched
HackerMedia.org.
Yeah,
it's coming along.
I'll reemphasize it
on this episode
of the show
in case anybody
didn't hear it
in the underwater
through tin cans
episode of the show
last week.
You know,
that episode
sounded god-awful.
It was pretty rough,
so hopefully this one
will be in better shape.
Yeah.
All right,
well,
I guess that's
going to do it for me.
Well,
I'm going to go
spray paint some stuff,
buddy.
All right,
sounds like a plan.
Later.
Well,
I guess the whole point
of all this mess
that we've been
going through tonight
is that
helping
with projects
and helping
the community
become better
of what we do
is very important
and it's really cool
for everyone
to do things like that
and be a whole group
and not just be
some guy
sitting in his room
drinking Mountain Dew
recording Binary Revolution
radio in his underwear
or no pants at all.
So anyway,
sorry my chair squeaks,
guys.
I just really
can't get comfortable.
Anyway,
I guess we have
a big announcement
to make.
Anyway,
like I said,
Hacker Media
has a sister site now.
It's hackerprojects.org
and if you go to it
right now,
it's not exactly finished
because I've been
a little busy
but it's going to be
a similar site
to Hacker Media
except there's
a lot of projects
that aren't,
you know,
done in an episode
of a radio show
or on a video
and it's going to
pull that.
So like we would
have an RSS feed,
I've said his name
like eight times
but Mr. Iron Geek,
I have an RSS feed
from his site
of all the things
that he does
that aren't going to
be on the Hacker Media
site.
And we're going to
have a spot
where people can go
to submit project ideas.
so if people
aren't creative
and, you know,
can do stuff,
they can peruse
through that.
Or every time
this gets updated
or sometime,
you know,
whatever,
it'll all be
on the Hacker Project
site.
And we're still
working on ideas
for it.
So again,
feel free to get
in touch with me.
I'm always idling
in IRC.
It is possible
to get in touch
with me,
it's not real hard,
or email me
and toss some
ideas out for me.
Because this is
a Hacker Project
site and I want
it to be,
you know,
an aggregate
for all the things
that we do
that make doing
what we do
so fun.
And hopefully
I'll have some
naked pictures
of myself up there
pretty damn soon
for people that
want to practice
their Photoshop
skills or whatever.
Whew!
I guess that's
a big one.
Yeah.
We're a group.
We're a team.
We're a community.
We need to all
stress this
and all help
each other.
If something is
done poorly,
help people with it.
Don't email them
and say,
hey, this isn't
done right,
fix it.
When the fuck
are you going
to have it done?
You know,
we're a community.
Help each other
out.
We're not like
my little small
town where you
have to be in the
know.
You know,
like,
I wouldn't take
my laptop
and set it
in front of my
office and
expect my
neighbors to
look after it.
But I would
go to a
hacker con
and set it
down and
expect everyone
around there
to watch my
shit because
we're a community
and we're good
people.
And, uh,
well, you know,
there's always
the bad eggs.
So, if you're
not good people,
don't say,
ah, I'll
fool you and
steal your
laptop and
sell it for
$20 because
that's what
fuckers were.
So, I guess
from now on
I'm taking my
Pentium 90 to
cons.
Well, anyway,
I guess this
has been a
Binary Revolution
radio episode.
And our
closing music
tonight is a
band we should
have used last
week on the
Horrible Underwater
episode, but
it's a band
called Of a
Revolution, if
you're around a
college radio
station or, uh,
I don't know.
I'm not ever in
the know.
In my entire
life, I've
never been in
the know.
So, maybe they
suck and everyone
makes fun of
them, but I
really enjoy their
music.
And I found
this on
archive.org,
this Of a
Revolution band,
and they are
singing a song
called The
Wait, which
is a cover of
a band, of a
song by a band
called The
Band, which,
that's awesome.
It's like, uh,
how do you, how
do you use
Napster?
Okay.
How do you
scour.net to
find a song, you
don't know the
name of it, but
you know the
name of the
band is Live.
Search for
music with Live
in the title, and
you'll definitely
find Dolphins
Cry.
Okay, anyway,
this has been a
Binary Revolution
Radio.
I have been
Droops, and we
will see you,
of course, this
is, you know, the
downfall of Binary
Revolution Radio,
when Droops took
over, but, uh,
we'll see you
same hack time,
well, hopefully,
we will see you
same hack time,
same hack
channel.
Weird thing to
do, but I
couldn't do it.
I pulled into
Nazareth, was
feeling about
half past
dead, and I
just need some
place where I
can lay my
head.
Hey, mister, can
you tell me
where I
am I
find a bed?
He just
grim and
shook my
hand,
knows all
he said.
Take a load
off,
man,
take a load
for free,
take a load
off,
man,
and put the
right on ground
on me.
tell me
how'd it be?
He said,
come,
come on,
let's go down.
Say, I
Come on, come on, let's go downtown
Sister, I got a core, my friend can't stick around
Take a load off, Fanny
Hey, you put the Lord out on me
Go down, Miss Moses
You know there's nothing that you can say
This is just old Luke
And Luke's waiting on the judgment day
I said, Luke, my friend
What about your man, Fanny
He said, do me a favor
So won't you stay, keep your man, Fanny
Take a load off, Fanny
Hey, you put the Lord out on me
Hey, Steven, why don't you give me some heart, man?
She said sir, follow me
And he caught me in the fire
He said, I'll fix your rack
If you'll take Jack, my dog
I said, wait a minute, Chester
You know I'm a beautiful man
He said, that's okay, boy
Just eat him when you can
Take a load off Fanny
Take a load for three
Take a load off Fanny
Right on me
Catch a cannonball
Only take me on down the line
Take me on down the line
My bag is singing low
And I do believe it's time
To get back to Miss Fanny
You know she's the only one
With her regards for everyone
Take a load off Fanny
And you put a load right on me
Thank you guys so much for having all of us tonight
We appreciate you very much
We'll see you soon
The height of the sun
We'll see you soon