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Hello! Welcome to Binary Evolution Radio, episode 175
Today's date, November 28, 2006
We're almost getting to December here
That's kind of creepy
I'm Black Ratchet, and with us this week is Booter
Hello, hello
Yes, Booter here
And this is your first episode, right?
Yes, I'm getting my cherries
Wow
We're just getting a bunch of, you know, cherries on this show
I think we can get Kyle
And I think, no, it wasn't Savant's first episode
Who else do we have?
Man, there's like all these rookies coming on here
But it's what Binary Revolution Radio is about
It doesn't matter who you are
Or how much experience you'll have
We'll put you on the radio
As long as you know what you're talking about
Right
Yes
And this is episode 175
I'm not sure if we mentioned that
But the one thing that I do will say
Is that there's no telephonic craptacular
I had one person actually email me
Asking about whether or not
It's going to be a telephonic craptacular this week
And sorry, kids
No, no
Yeah, I was kind of wondering
If I could go and do it again, too
I didn't even realize this was 175
Actually, to be completely honest with you
I might have tried to do it
But I completely forgot that this was 175
And they usually have
That they even have a telephonic craptacular on
The, I don't know what you would call it
The quarter century episodes
What was the last one?
150?
I think it was the last one
Or 125, maybe
I don't know
It's been a while
I don't think Strom and I did one
So
I have no clue
I really don't know when the last one was
But actually
It was probably right around
The time Freak Factor took off
Because that's what Stank said
That there was going to be
No more telephonic craptaculars
Because Freak Factor was going to do that
So
Oh, okay
So technically he's right
But not because Freak Factor's still on
But because we don't know what's going on
So
Maybe for 200
Yeah
Well, hopefully
Hopefully soon enough
You know
I know certain things
And Freak Factor may be coming back out
At some point
Who knows
It's in the works
It's just more a matter of
You know
Getting people
And combating real life
And all that stuff
Yeah
So
I think that's about
That's about it for housekeeping
Do you have anything?
How are you doing this evening?
But are we always seem to be
Really glossing over the housekeeping
Portions of the show?
Um
Let's go try them
Witty banter
I've just been
Really busy with work
And uh
Reverse cougar hunting
And um
I just started
What?
Reverse cougar?
You know what a cougar is, right?
Uh oh
I
The
I don't know what you say
Not lion
But
The
The feline
Wild animal
That would probably kill me
If it saw me
Well it's also
Like an older female
That uh
Goes after younger guys
Oh
I've been doing reverse cougar hunting
I go to the bars
Where all the older women hang out at
Well isn't that sort of like
Milf hunting?
Yeah
Basically yeah
Oh
I have a milf special here
Here I am
You know
You're thinking like
You know
Well I don't know
He's run down south type there
You know
Reverse cougar hunting
Maybe he's like
You know
Letting the cougar chase him
Or something
That's how they
Spend their Saturday nights
I don't know
Yeah
That and uh
Well just a couple days ago
I decided to uh
To come up with this little project
Just for
Sheer fun of it
Well
Well I mean
Don't talk about technology here man
Because we're going to go
I'm going to go fill up the uh
Personal hacking stories
Oh no
I'll be okay
Yeah
I'll wait for your
Personal hacking stories
I mean
If you want to talk about
Cougar hunting though man
That's the area
Well okay
That sort of like
Fell flat on his face
So do you think
We should go into email?
Uh
Yes
I'm good
Alright
Our uh
First email this evening
And I'm
Not sure how to pronounce his name
It's
D-I-D-I-E-R
So I'm going to call it like
You know
Didier
And uh
Didier
I don't know
Could be like some type of like
You know
European name
Like
Didier
Who knows
Um
Well it actually probably is a European name
Considering he says
Hello
I was at Microsoft
Tech Ed Developers
At Barcelona this week
And I listened to some episodes
Of Bin Rev Radio
During the breaks
Thought you would find this funny
Thanks for the show
Didier
Or
Didier
Or
Di
I don't know
But I
Personally
I
Well I guess it's kind of cool
That we were being listened to
At Tech Ed
By somebody
But
You know
I don't find that funny
Or amusing
Or anything
I mean hell
I went to
Microsoft
I didn't go to Tech Ed
But I went to a couple
Other conferences
Yeah when I was looking over the show notes
I was thinking
Well did he forget a link to something
That we're supposed to
Find funny
Or
I find it funny if like
You know
Someone like
You know
Went up and
You know
Tapped into the audio system
And was playing Bin Rev Radio
During the breaks
Over the PA system
Oh that would be late
That would
That would be crazy
Yeah
Look at the Bin Rev Radio
Motherfuckers
But
Yeah I mean
I'm pretty sure
That there are other people
That have listened to Bin Rev Radio
At various
Official conferences
Actually I wouldn't be surprised
If I feel like
There's people in the government
Listening
And
Okay
People in the government
Listening
In a non-required sense
I bet there's like
A couple
Agents out there
Like listening to the show
Going
Oh
See if we can get any
Dirt on these people
Yeah I'm not
I'm not sure
You know
What the
However many downloads
Per week and stuff are
But I mean
There's bound to be
Somebody out there
That works in some
Federal organization
That listens to it
Well I mean
I don't know
What the heck
Was going on
But apparently
The .NET episode
Two weeks ago
Was absolutely like
Off the charts
For download
Like we doubled
Our download rate
So I guess
It was like
Something like
6,000 or something
Like that
When he told me
It was 5,000
But it was
I don't think
It was even a week
After the show came out
So I wouldn't be surprised
If it was like
6,000 a week
And I think
Normally
We get around
2,800 to 3,000
Downloads
And of course
That
I mean
I'm not sure
If we
Now
That number
Sounds big
But at the same
Point
I don't think
That's 3,000
Separate people
That's like
All the podcast feeds
And people who have
Us in their podcasting
Set up
But never actually
Listen
So
I mean
I wouldn't be surprised
But I just
I don't understand
Where all these
Downloads are coming from
And
But I don't know
I guess
I guess people
Dig the .NET
Yeah
And actually
Speaking
Speaking of .NET
This actually
Kind of works well
Going into our next email
Because this was
Completely by accident
Our next email
Is from Pixel
And it's
Black Ratchet and
Kyle L
I am an avid
Long time listener
And I have a few
Comments
To response to your
Java versus .NET
Discussion on number
173
First I'd like to
Point out that I'm
Biased as I am
An enterprise
Java developer
But I've used .NET
To build Windows
Mobile applications
You mentioned that
You have to install
The Java virtual machine
In order to run
Java apps
This is true
But you also have to
Install the .NET
Compact framework
Or mono
To run a .NET
Application
Just because
This shifts
With the different
Distros
Doesn't mean
You're not
Doing the same
Thing
The .NET
Compact framework
CLR
Is the Java
JVM
Regarding your
Just in time
Compiling
I may be wrong
About this
But I believe
This is just
Only for web
Applications
If it is
Then free
Open source
Java web
Server
Apache Tomcat
Compiles and
Caches
Java server
Pages each
Time they're
Modified
As do most
Other Java
Web servers
A JSP
Equivalent
Is
I'm sorry
I don't think
I read that
Right
A JSP
Equivalent
To an
ASPX
Page
Anyway
However a
Properly designed
Java web app
Uses JSP
For presentation
Only
Which is
Called by a
Servlet
Which contains
All the business
Logic
This is
Almost the
Exact opposite
Of .NET
Where an
ASPX
Page
Calls
The code
Behind
And the
Brain
Of the
ASPX
Page
The one
Thing that
Java is
Bad at
And I will
Agree
Completely
Is with
GUI
Applications
Trying to
Make a
GUI
Cross-platform
Was as
Bad an
Idea
As you
End up
With
Crap
Like you
As you
End up
With
Crap
UIs
Java
Strength
Lies
In its
Availability
With
A Java
Application
Server
Nor
A web
Server
Will
Typically
Have
Built-in
Clustering
And
Failover
Capabilities
Capable
Of
Handing
Thousands
Of
Transactions
A
Minute
With
Low
Overheads
I
Recently
Built
A
System
Where
A
Single
Node
Processes
Over
100,000
Transactions
Per
Hour
Without
Even
Noticing
The
Load
.NET
Is
Great
For
Building
Small
To
Medium
Size
Web
Apps
And
For
Creating
GUI
Applications
I
Have
Run
Model
Apps
On
Many
Unix
Boxes
In
The
Past
But
There
Is
A
Reason
Why
Google
Ebay
And
Pretty
Much
Every
Financial
Institution
On
The
Planet
Runs
Your
Systems
On
Java
And
It's
Not
Just
Because
You
Don't
Want
Your
Bank
To
Blue
Screen
To
Death
But
As
I
Mentioned
I
Am
Bias
Thanks
For
Producing
RHO
Keep
The
Good
Work
Pixel
And
I
Think
Did
Call
In
The
Episode
I
Knew
We
Get
Some
Java
Lover
To
Call
Us
Out
On
Our
.NET
Kind
Of
.NET
Rules
And
We've
Been
Making
Those
Statements
But
I'm
Glad
Pixel
Actually
Sent
Us
A
Very
Well
Reasoned
Set
Of
Arguments
And
I'm
Going
To
Give
Props
For
That
First
Off
I'm
Going
To
Have
A
Counter
Here
JVM
Versus
Common
Language
Runtime
Environment
And
All
That
Stuff
CLR
I'm
Not
Sure
If
I
Got
That
Acronym
Right
But
We're
Going
To
Touch
That
Right
Now
I
Always
Get
The
Feeling
The
CLR
Is
A
Bit
Better
Integrated
On
The
System
At
Least
In
Windows
I
Think
That
You're
Right
When
You're
Looking
At
It
Within
The
Mono
Viewpoint
Like
When
You're
Installing
Mono
On
A
Unix
System
However
Whenever
I
Load up
A
Java
Application
On
A
Web
Page
Or
You
Know
Like
Lime
Wire
Or
Something
My
System
Which
Is
A
Pretty
Good
System
It
Really
You
Can
Tell
That
There's
A
Performance
While
It
Hulls
Itself
Up
Into
Existence
When
I'm
Running
Like
A
.NET
Application
It
Really
Doesn't
Do
That
On
Windows
And
Not
Even
Linux
In
My
Experience
As
For
Web
Applications
I'm
Not
Really
Going
To
Make
Any
Statements
About
That
I
Don't
Think
That
I
Have
A
Couple
Of
Ideas
Behind
It
But
I've
Never
Really
Used
It
Done
Any
Really
Any
All
Web
Development
Windows
Because
I'm
A
PHP
Person
And
Personally
I'm
Very
Happy
To
Stay
That
Way
Finally
I'd
Like
To
Point
Out
That
eBay
Runs
On
Windows
And
Actually
If
You
Look
At
Some
Of
The
URLs
It's
Calls
Crap
What's
It
Called
Isapi
Dot
D
L
And
Google
At
Least
Back
In
The
Old
Days
Ran
On
Apache
So
Whatever
I
Don't
Know
I
Mean
Java
Is
Good
Dot
Net
Is
Good
Can't
We
All
Just
Get
Along
But
Again
Shouts
To
Pixel
For
Sending
In
A
Very
Good
Email
Pointing
Out
Some
Our
Misconceptions
Of
Java
Do
You
Know
Wait
Here's
A
Question
For
Pixel
And
I
Why
Does
Everything
Have
To
Do
When
You
Ever
Talk
About
Java
It's
Always
Enterprise
I
Mean
It's
Like
Some
Type
Of
Really
Crazy
Buzzword
That
Always
Gets
Associated
With
Java
I
Mean
Is
There
A
Difference
Between
Saying
Java
And
Java
Enterprise
Really
I
Really
Don't
Know
It's
I
If
Let's
Try
This
Again
It's
Always
Used
The
Way
I
Was
Hear
Mark
Humorously
Referred
To
Is
On
Daily
WTF
Which
Is
www.dailywtf.com
For those
You
Don't
Know
If
You're
Into
Programming
Or
Really
Into
Computers
At
All
You
Should
Really
Just
Read
This
Web
It's
A
Web
Blog
About
Computer
Horror
Stories
And
They
Always
Talk
About
It
How
You
Have
This
Wonderful
System
That
Works
Great
And
Everyone
Is
Using
It
However
It's
Not
Enterprise
So
You
Need
A
System
With
More
Enterprise
In
It
And
They
Always
Build
This
Horrible
Application
That
Doesn't
Do
Anything
That
Is
Supposed
To
Actually
Do
Well
So
Whenever
I
Hear
Enterprise
It's
Always
The
First
Thing
I
Think
Of
Yeah
Our
First
Our
Next
Email
Our
First
Email
We
Actually
Is
I
Don't
Know
Who
This
Is
From
Because
I
Don't
They
Signed
A
Name
Hey
Found
This
On
The
Net
And
Thought
You
Might
Be
Interested
Apparently
Microsoft
Is
Trying
To
Build
An
Operating
System
That's
Both
Stable
And
Secure
I
Say
Good
Luck
To
Him
And
He
Actually
Sends
A
Link
To
Us
And
That's
Tiny
Orl
Dot
Com
Slash
Yankee
Six
Golf
Six
Romeo
Six
Golf
I
Think
I
Said
That
Right
Y
G
Six
R
Six
J
Okay
And
If
You
Go
To
That
Link
They
Go
To
Talk
About
Singularity
Which
I
Think
We
Might
Have
Mentioned
On
The
Dot
Net
Show
Although
I'm
Not
Sure
Singularity
Is
An
Operating
System
That
Is
Built
On
Top
Of
The
CLR
And
It's
Built
From
Scratch
And
It's
All
Written
I
Believe
All
Written
In
C
Sharp
And
It's
I
Really
Can't
Explain
It
That
Well
Go
To
The
Website
Read
Up
On
It
And
I
Think
Microsoft
Research
Is
Doing
A
Lot
Of
Work
Into
this
And
It
Seems
Rather
Interesting
And
Personally
I
Think
It
Would
Be
Cool
If
They
Would
Make
It
Open
Source
But
They
Won't
And
That's
Microsoft
So
Yeah
I
Think
Like
There's
Never
Going
To
Be
An
Unhackable
Operating
System
Ever
I
Mean
I
Think
The
Reason
Why
Microsoft
Is
So
Well
Known
For
Being
Hacked
Or
Whatever
Is
Well
Frankly
I
Mean
They're
The
Biggest
So
Everyone
Is
Target
I
Mean
Say
If
Microsoft
Never
Existed
You
Know
Macintosh
Would
Be
The
Number
One
And
Then
Macintosh
Would
Have
flaws
But
It's
Not
As
Widely
Used
As
Windows
So
People
Don't
Target
It
Near
As
Much
Same
With
BSD
Or
Any
Other
.nix
Well
Yeah
I
Mean
You
Can
Just
There's
Nothing
Going
To
Be
Basically
The
Only
Secure
Computer
Out
There
Is
Going
to
Be
A
Computer
That's
Encased
In
You
Know
Going
Underneath
The
Water
There
Taking
His
Jack
Hammer
Out
And
Trying
To
Break
Into
The
Computer
But
Anyway
You
Can
Aim
For
Certain
Things
And
I
Mean
Even
Vista
Is
Doing
This
In
XP
Service
Pack
To
Put
In
Some
Elementary
Safeguards
To
Certain
Things
There's
Certain
Things
You
Can
Do
With
The
Operating
System
Which
Microsoft
Seemed
To
Ignore
The
First
Few
Hundred
Iterations
Of
The
Operating
System
That
Make
It
More
Difficult
For
Someone
To
Break
In
And
If
You
Want
To
Build
Something
Up
From
The
Ground
Up
It's
Going
To
Be
A lot
Easier
To
Implement
Those
As
Opposed
To
Say
XP
Which
Despite
All
The hubbub
I
Really
Don't
Think
It's
Actually
Completely
Rewritten
From
The
Ground
Up
They
Probably
Said
Oh
Okay
Well
I
Mean
We
Starting
From
Scratch
But
Let's
Go
Just
Copy
And
Paste
All
This
NT
Kernel
Information
Over
Here
And
We
Just
Won't
Tell
Bill
About
It
But
You
Know
If
You're
If
You're
Whiting
From
This
Ground
Up
You
Can
Do
Certain
Things
Like
That
And
Who
Knows
But
Personally
I
Think
If
Microsoft
Actually
Builds
A
Secure
And
Stable
Operating
System
They're
Going
To
Release
It
I
Think
A
Couple
Of
Days
Later
I
Forget
What
That's
From
But
It
Was
It
Was
Some
Type
Of
Like
Stupid
Tutorial
Online
I
Believe
Oh
It
Was
How
To
Change
Your
Windows
Startup
Screen
Back
When
Like
For
Windows
98
Like
And
They
Used
Two
Examples
Where
It
Was
Crap
It
Was
If
You
Wanted
To
Show
Off
Your
Eliteness
And
Show
Off
Your
Affiliation
With
The
K
Rad
Hackers
Of
The
Apocalypse
And
I
Think
The
Other
One
Was
If
You
Wanted
To
Try
To
Convince
Your
Friends
You
Were
Actually
Using
Linux
But
You
Really
Didn't
Know
How
And
Like
They
Walked
You
Through
It
And
They
Give
You
Two
Different
Windows
Essentially
It
Was
Bitmap
Files
That
Would
Show
Up
When
You're
Starting
Up
Your
Computer
Where
It
Would
Say
Windows
98
Or
Windows
95
And
They
Would
Actually
Give
You
Two
You
Could
Download
And
Pop
On
To
Your
Computer
But
The
Tutorial
Was
Actually
Pretty
Good
We
Should
Give
A
3.1
Well
3.1
Didn't
Have
That
Splash
Screen
I
Actually
Kind
Of
Did
But
Not
The
Same
Thing
It
Has
Been
So
Long
Since
I
Ever
Seen
3.1
Where
Did
I
Run
Into
3.1
And
I
Was
Actually
Mind
Fockled
At
It
Oh
You
Know
It
Was
Actually
It
Was
Yeah
Just
To
Make
You
Feel
Safe
I
Was
At
South
Station
Which
Is
One
Of
Boston's
I
Guess
It's
The
Boston's
Bigger
Of
The
Two
Train
Stations
We
Have
North
Station
We
Have
South
Station
North
Station
Is
Pretty
Small
But
South
Station
Is
Where
A
Lot
Of
Amtrak
Service
Terminates
And
It's
Actually
The
Northeastern
End
Of
The
Northeastern
Rail
Corridor
But
Anyway
I'm
Looking
At
Or
Buy
A
Ticket
With
Your
Credit
Card
And
We
Were
Walking
By
It
One
Day
And
It
Was
Me
It
Was
Me
Royal
And
I'm
Forgetting
Who
Else
It
Was
Crap
And
I'm
Going
To
Send
Apologies
Out
To
The
System
This
Person
Because
I
Can't
Remember
Their
Name
And
Havoc
Which
Is
For
Those
Who
Don't
Know
Havoc
From
Poland
He
Was
Stopping
By
Boston
And
We
While
Walking
By
It
And
We
All
Just
Stop
And
Start
Looking
At
The
Screen
And
It's
Windows
3.1
Like
You
See
Down
On
The
Bottom
The
Program
Manager
And
We
Basically
All
Just
Stop
And
Look
At
And
Go
Where
And
The
Person
Who
Can't
Remember
Is
Double
Like
Dastardly
Trying
To
Double
Click
On
The
Icon
But
The
Entire
Machine
Was
Locked
Up
So
That's
When
We
They
Were
Doing
Service
On
One
Of
The
Units
And
They
Had
It
Cracked
Open
And
I
Actually
I
Didn't
Get
A
Photo
Of
It
Because
The
Police
Were
Nearby
And
They
Don't
Like
People
Taking
Photos
Inside
South
Station
Go
Figure
And
Actually
Considering
That
I
Go
Through
There
Every
Day
I
Really
Don't
Want
To
Cause
Trouble
With
The
Police
But
They
Had
It
Cracked
Open
And
It
Was
PS1
So
I
Think
It
Was
Like
A
46
Oh
Wow
Yeah
That's
How
Old
It
Was
And
I
Think
It
Was
A
PS1
That's
What
They
Called
It
I
Don't
Know
I've
Seen
It
Before
I
Don't
Think
It
Was
A
PS2
But
It
Was
Definitely
It
Was
Definitely
One
Of
Those
IBM
Old
Machines
When
They
Were
Actually
Still
Making
Personal
Computers
Not
Don't
Think
It
Front
Of
All
The
Drives
So
You
Would
Like
Look
Nice
And
Flush
And
Good
On
Good
On
Your
Desk
But
Whatever
So
Yes
That
Was
That
Was
My
Last
Interaction
With
Windows
3.1
Technically
I
Really
Didn't
Interact
We're
Aging
Our
By
Talking
About
Oh
I
Think
In
Order
To
Realize
What
You've
Actually
Had
You
Know
What
You've
Done
Before
In
Or
To
Move
Ahead
Need
To
Know
Read
It
I
Never
Read
It
Up
Until
I
Probably
Like
Within
This
Year
And
It
Was
It's
A
Really
Good
Book
And
It
Gives
You
A
Real
Appreciation
To
Where
The
Movement
And
All
That
Stuff
Came
From
Yeah
So
You
My
First
Computer
Was
Commodore
64
Wow
See
I
Actually
Got
I
Actually
Got
Started
Off
Late
My
First
Computer
Was
A
386
And
It
Was
A
Who
Was
It
Was
Made
By
RB
Corporation
Like
One
Of
Those
No
Name
Clones
And
It
Had
A
20
Meg
Hard
Drive
And
It
Had
A
Mega
Ram
And
You
Could
Not
Run
Anything
On
It
Nothing
At
All
It
Was
It
Was
Bad
I
Still
Have
Well
I
Think
Probably
My
Second
Or
Third
Computer
It
133
Mega
Hertz
Which
Is
Really
Old
Well
I
Think
It
Was
Like
A
386
With
A
Sound
Card
And
A
CD
Rom
Drive
And
That
I
Felt
Like
I
Was
King
Of
The
World
At
That
Point
Oh
No
Actually
This
Was
In
1998
98
97
Maybe
97
Yeah
It
Was
Still
Rather
Old
At
This
Point
But
I
Was
Still
Using
This
Actual
Like
You
Know
It's
Old
3D6
That
Was
My
Fast
Computer
The
8
Mega
Hertz
One
Because
I
Also
Had
A
Couple
Of
IBM
Dual
Floppy
Computers
That
I
Used
To
Salvage
From
My
School
Was
Throwing
Out
So
I
Used
To
I
Was
You
Know
This
Is
What
Links
I
Went
To
For
Hacking
I
Used
To
Carry
A
Computer
Home
From
The
School
That
Was
Being
Thrown
Out
A
Mile
Back
To
My
House
Because
I
Would
Walk
To
School
Every
Day
And
That
Was
Boy
That
Suck
But
That
That's
Day
They
Have
No
Appreciation
And
If
You
Actually
If
You
Never
Picked
Up
One
Of
These
IBM
PCs
They
Were
Heavy
Yeah
Like
They
Were
Like
I'm
Sorry
Go
Ahead
No
Go
Ahead
I
Was
Going
To
Say
I
Was
Like
Yeah
I
Mean
Now
They
Got
You
Know
These
Compact
Mini
Towers
And
I
Mean
They're
Really
Light
I
Mean
We
Have
A
Servers
Like
That
We
Bigger
Machines
I
Mean
Yeah
I
Mean
We
Got
A
New
Server
Now
That
Out
Of
The
Box
From
Dell
It's
110
Pounds
Before
You
Add
Anything
To
It
And
Those
Things
Get
Extremely
Heavy
Really
Quick
Oh
Yeah
Totally
And
Like
You
Know
That
That's
How
Much
These
Things
Used
To
Weigh
And
They
Used
To
Be
Pretty
Much
Similar
In
Size
Because
This
Was
Before
All
This
Micro
Microsize
Nation
Or
Whatever
They
Call
It
And
Oh
Man
Brings
Back
Memories
If
I
Only
Knew
Then
What
I
Do
Now
Right
Yeah
Anyway
Well
We're
Kind of
Actually
Kind of
Bridged
Right
In
Here
But
Let's
Actually
Make
The
Full
Jump
Over
Here
And
Now
So
Before
I
So
Rudely
Interrupted
You
Before
What
Have
You
Started
For
Fun
Okay
I'm
Calling
It
Jenny
2007
And
Okay
Basically
I'm
Gonna
Scan
Every
Area
Code
With
The
Jenny
Number
The
8
6
7
5
30
9
And
Just
Report
Your
Findings
And
Then
We
Can
Post
Them
Somewhere
But
We
Started
This
And
Actually
In
Pound
Bin
Rev
Right
Yeah
I
Wrong
But
Yeah
That
And
I
Actually
Think
If
You
Search
For
Stuff
Online
There
Is
A
Person
Who
Did
It
A
While
Back
In
2004
Yeah
But
Like
I
Called
A
Couple
Of
Different
Numbers
On
There
And
They
Were
Not
What
The
He
Had
Listed
So
Yeah
I
Basically
Just
Started
This
Yesterday
I
Was
Going
To
Start
On
Wednesday
But
It
Was
Kind
Of
Late
And
I
I'm
Not
So
Far
I've
Had
Two
People
Reply
One
It
Was
Some
Old
Lady
And
She
Just
Said
No
You
Have
The
Wrong
Number
And
Then
I
Had
One
Before
I
Think
It
Was
When
We
Were
Doing
The
Room
Where
The
Guy
Was
Pretty
Pissed
Off
Apparently
He
Gets
These
Calls
A
Bunch
I
Guess
He
Just
Said
No
He
Just
Slammed
The
Phone
Down
But
I
Personally
Called
If
Anybody
Wants
To
Chip
In
Then
Contact
Me
On
The
Forms
Send
Me
A
Message
And
Even
If
You
Can
Only
Do
Like
10
15
Numbers
That's
Fine
Every
Little
Bit
Counts
I
Think
Savant
And I
We
Covered
For
Me
At
I
Think
I
Covered
Like
10
Numbers
In
About
Five
Minutes
I
Called
Them
Up
Listened
To
Whatever
Was
There
And
I
Just
Type
It
Into
The
Channel
I
Believe
There
Is
Actually
One
That
Has
A
Really
Weird
Error
Message
On
It
I
Found
One
That
It
Ranged
Probably
A
Dozen
Times
Maybe
Fifteen
Times
And
Finally
It
Asked
For
An
Access
Code
It
Some
Type
Of
Secret
Number
For
The
Government
Project
Jenny
Dialing
Norad
Talk
To
Whopper
It
Was
Actually
201
8
6
7
5
309
Oh
So
It
New
Jersey
Not
That
We're
Advocating
Breaking
Into
Any
Systems
Because
Breaking
Into
Systems
Is
Wrong
And
You
Shouldn't
Do
That
But
You
Know
I
Won't
Say
Anything
That
Sounds
Actually
Cool
I'm
Just
Doing
It
Doesn't
Serve
Any
Purpose
Other
Than
People
Want
To
Fuck
Around
With
The
Farm
Because
It's
There
That's
What
It's
There
For
I
Actually
Think
I
Indirectly
Started
This
When
I
When
Someone
I
Don't
Know
Actually
How
It
Started
Like
Stang
Started
Something
But
I
Remember
Mentioning
In
The
Channel
That
The
8
6
7
5
3
0
9
In
401
Which
Is
Rhode
Island
And
6
1
7
Go
To
A
Plumbing
Service
Which
Actually
Whose
Jingle
For
The
Phone
Number
Is
The
Tommy
Two
Tone
Song
Oh
Really
Yes
Crap
I'll
Give
I
Was
Going
Not
Give
Him
A
Plug
On
Here
But
Actually
I
Should
Shouldn't
I
Think
It's
They'll
Probably
Answer
The
Phone
But
It
Was
Pretty
Cool
Because
I
Drive
Into
The
Train
Station
In
The
Morning
And
I
Hear
An
Ad
For
This
And
It's
Like
8
6
7
5
3
0
9
I'm
Like
Oh
Crap
That's
Stuck
In
My
Head
For
The
Rest
Of
The
Day
There
Was
Another
One
Like
A
Phone
Number
But
It
Was
Actually
A
Real
Phone
Number
Was
One
Of
A
Month
He
Had
Received
Like
Over
100
Thousand
Phone
Calls
His
Bill
Was
Like
Over
10
Grand
Idiot
Yeah
But
Well
He
Got
Him
Payment
I
Guess
Well
Apparently
Talking
About
Stupid
People
Giving
Out
Their
Phone
Numbers
In
Places
They
Shouldn't
One
Of
The
Sports
Station
Up
Here
W.E.I.
They
Were
Interviewing
One
Of
The
New
England
Patriots
Whose
Name
Is
Richard
Seymour
And
He's
A
Attention
To
Football
But
He
Gave
His
Cell
Phone
Number
Out
On
Air
Like
And
I
Don't
Know
The
Backstory
Behind
It
But
I
Think
It
Was
He
Was
Trying
To
Set
Up
A
Richard
Seymour
Fan
Hotline
Yeah
And
He
Gave
It
Out
On
Air
And
Within
Like
He
Gave
It
Out
In
The
Afternoon
Show
And
They
Were
Talking
About
It
6
PM
On
The
6
PM
Show
And
Miller
Live
Anybody
That
Used
To
Watch
That
On
HBO
Years
Ago
I
Can't
Remember
Who
It
Was
But
Somebody
Came
Out
There
And
He
Gave
Out
It
Was
Some
Comedian
And
He
Gave
Out
A
Cell
Phone
Number
And
Right
There
Live
On
TV
His
Phone
Just
Started
Blowing
Up
He
Had to
Turn
The
Phone
Off
And
Inevitably
Changes
His
Number
But
Apparently
He
Hasn't
Changes
Number
I
Guess
He
Has
Somebody
Checking
The
Voicemail
Apparently
It
Goes
There
They
Kave
It
Out
On
Air
And
I
Don't
Remember
What
It
Was
It
Actually
Was
A
401
Area
Code
That's
Basically
All
I
Remember
Which
I
Found
Amusing
Because
I
Didn't
Know
He
Didn't
Know
He
Lived
In
Rhode
Island
But
Yes
People
Also
Go
Back
And
Find
The
List
From
Paris
Hilton
Not
One
Since
We're
Talking
About
Phone
Numbers
Here
I
Guess
It
Was
In
Bruce
Almighty
When
It
Was
They
Actually
Changed
This
In
The
DVD
Which
I
Found
Amusing
If
You've
Never
Seen
The
Movie
This
Guy
Gets
Paged
By
God
And
He
Gets
A
Page
And
In
The
Movie
Theater
He
Picked
Up
His
Pager
And
He
It
Actually
Was
A
Real
Phone
Number
On
There
And
People
Would
Call
It
Didn't
Give
An
Area
Code
Of
Course
So
People
Would
Be
Calling
This
Every
Area
Code
And
People
Were
Actually
Getting
Really
Pissed
Off
About
And
I
Guess
They
Got
Pissed
Off
Enough
That
They
Changed
The
Number
In
The
DVD
Version
And
Get
Paged
With
5551234
Yeah
That's
The
One
That
I
Remember
Was
The
555
Number
Yeah
Well
In
The
Movie
Theater
Was
An
Actual
Number
And
Okay
Last
Story
If
You
Actually
Go
And
Watch
The
Terminal
With
Tom
Hanks
There's
Another
Phone
Number
Out
There
When
He
Applies
For
A
Job
And
He
Gives
Out
A
Pay
Phone
Number
The
Pay
Phone
Number
Is
Real
And
It
Does
Match
The
Correct
Characteristics
For
A
Phone
In
JFK
Airport
So
Who
Knows
Who
Knows
Put
It
On
Apple
No
Because
We
Weren't
Actually
Number
That
Real
Pay
Phone
I
I'm
Not
Sure
If
Anyone
Actually
I
Didn't
Call
It
I
Actually
Because
I
Heard
About
It
And
People
Were
Actually
Talking
About
It
So
I
When
I
Went
To
The
Movie
I
Was
Watching
It
And
When
He
Talked
It
Out
I
Ripped
Out
My
Cell
Phone
And
I
Jotted
It
Down
But
Much
To
The
Shagret
Of
My
Girlfriend
But
What
Are
We'll
Still
Talk
About
Phones
Here
We're
Actually
Moving
To
Something
That
I
Did
I
Gotta
Say
I
And so I've got to say, doing this all on your cell phone and, you know, being able to stream radio off the Internet while you're moving is pretty damn cool.
There wasn't any lag or buffering, buffering, nothing like that?
Well, I mean, it took a while for the stream actually to come down because it was buffering it up.
But once it started playing, it had a couple of, like, jitters here and there.
I mean, I listened to this for, like, probably close to two hours, and I think there was only at least two or three times where it paused for, like, five seconds and then it started back up again.
So it might have been buffering issues or it just might have been the processor was spiked.
But, oh, dear God, did it go through a battery?
I think I listened to – I think I played with it for, like, four hours doing all this stuff, and I think I went through half my battery.
Wow.
I mean, which is, you know, pretty good compared to all the stuff I was doing on it.
But still, I was like, wow, maybe perhaps I should turn off the radio.
All right.
So what's our specific show topic this evening, Booter?
Well, I don't know if it's ever been on there, but today's topic is on cultural jamming.
Cultural jamming or social hacking, I guess you could call it.
Yeah, I mean, that's another term that I use for it is social hacking.
Well, you actually introduced me to that term, and I've got to say I like that a lot better than culture jamming because culture jamming always kind of has some interesting connotations with it, and social hacking is a lot more mysterious.
I said cultural jamming was – even though social hacking is still pretty broad in general, but cultural jamming is, I think, really, really, like, globally – I don't know the word for it, but you know what I mean.
Yeah, I get the drift.
Okay.
Well, for those that don't know what cultural jamming is, I guess we should define a form.
The wiki defines it – and this is kind of long, but – the wiki defines it as the act of transforming existing mass media to produce negative commentary about itself using the original medium's communication method.
It is a form of public activism, which is generally in opposition to commercialism and the vectors of corporate image.
The aim of cultural jamming is to create a contrast between corporate image and the realities of the corporation.
This is done symbolically with a detournement of pop iconography.
And like I said, I like to call it social hacking.
Well, I just think – and that's why I really like the term social hacking over culture jamming because, you know, culture jamming, you know, it's got all these connotations with – and that's where it started out.
It's like, oh, you know, mass media is bad and all that stuff.
And, you know, if you agree with that, that's good.
But, you know, there's a lot of different things you could do just to, like, really – I guess you can really just call it mess with people.
So –
Yeah.
And that's what it really boils down to.
Yeah.
Like the social hacking, like, it's basically a way of where you can throw a monkey wrench into somebody's day-to-day life.
You know, they're going to buy.
You know, they wake up at the same time.
They have breakfast.
They go to work.
They come home.
I mean, they have the same pattern every day.
But with social hacking, you can kind of throw a monkey wrench into their daily life, and it kind of shocks them.
They look around like, what the fuck just happened?
You know?
Yeah, and actually, it's not just even that.
I mean, it's just more of making them look around and go, okay, wait a minute.
I mean, it's just – I mean, we're talking about – as opposed to culture jamming where it would be, you know, trying to, you know, make people think, you know.
I mean, you can really just kind of expand that into, you know, just making people look around at their everyday lives and try to, like, change something that they're not expecting and just make them reevaluate certain things.
Yeah, I mean, and you can try to plan, you know, like, you know, if you want to do something that is social hacking, you can kind of plan it.
But a couple years ago, I got a story here, you know, if y'all don't mind hearing it, it's a quick story real quick, that it's actually what got me interested in social engineering, you know, cultural germany, social hacking, you know, whatever term you want to use.
So, yeah, several years ago, I was going to the store.
I think it was like a Sunday afternoon.
I was getting ready to watch football.
And so I go to the store, and I'm walking down the store with, like, a six-pack of beer.
And I get in my car, and then next thing I know, this lady and her husband pulled up in this minivan behind my car and blocked me in.
And I had just shaved, and, you know, I looked, you know, really young.
She comes up to me, and she goes, are you 21?
I said, no.
And then she goes, well, I'm calling the cops.
And they had me blocked in, so I couldn't leave.
You know, I was, the store was directly in front of me, and their van was directly behind me.
They had no way to get out.
So I was like, okay, go ahead, call the cops.
And I sat there and waited.
About 15 minutes later, a cop shows up.
She tells him, you know, what's going on.
And he walks up to my window and says, come on, sir, are you ready?
I said, sure.
And I pull my ID out.
I give it to him.
He looks at it, and he kind of gives me a grin.
He says, you'll be out of here in just a second.
And he goes back to them, and he pulls out his ticket book.
And he writes them a ticket for impeding traffic.
And the look on her face was like, what?
What?
He's not 21.
He said, man, you asked if he was 21, correct?
She said, yeah.
He said, he's not 21.
He's 22.
And still proceeded to write the ticket.
And, oh, man, the most evil look she gave me was priceless.
And, I mean, that, I mean, I got to say, that's more of a malicious thing than anything else.
But that was, it was really good.
It was, that is a great story.
It was along the lines of, you know, it's making people, you know, really think.
And if you want to really be a social activist, go right ahead.
But, you know, they said, are you 21?
No, I'm not.
That's awesome.
But, yeah, I wish I would have had a camera to get her reaction to her face.
I mean, I'm pretty sure it probably would have burnt the film.
Yeah, I have never seen that lady ever again since then.
So, I don't know if she just quit going to that store or what.
But, yeah.
But, yeah, I thought that was pretty fun.
I mean, was it just like a sort of a standalone liquor store with a mini mall or what was it?
No, it's a convenience store.
You know, they have gas and, you know, stuff.
Oh, okay.
It was just someone passing through and they said, oh, my God, he's not 21.
We need to stop him.
I mean, really, come on.
I guess they just got back from church.
Because it was Sunday, so I don't know.
They're trying to do a good day for the day.
I don't know.
It kind of backfired on me.
But, seriously, blocking someone in with your car?
Holy cow.
Where do you live exactly?
I live down in Houston.
Oh, okay.
It's Texas.
Never mind.
But, I mean, if she would ask the question, are you over 21 or are you 21 or older, I would have said yes.
But, no, she asked the specific question, are you 21, and no, I wasn't.
Hey, I'm sorry.
I got to say, she deserved what she got right there.
I mean, that's what it is.
I mean, that's even kind of like – that does classify underneath social hacking.
It really does.
But, I mean, that's even more of a – I mean, social hacking can be whatever exactly you want from it.
I mean, you have – it's taking an everyday event like that and just really trying to change it around.
And I think that kind of was a very good story, the fact that you benefited from – I guess you can't really say you benefited from it, but despite the –
Yeah, you amused yourself from it.
I mean, when you're talking about even messing with, like, events like that, I think a great example is the – I forget what year it was.
It was the Harvard-Yale game.
Now, for those who don't know, I assume everyone knows what Harvard is, and Yale is another Ivy League school, and they have a football game, which is a major event either up in Harvard or down in Yale every year.
And one year was up in, you know, Harvard Field or whatever they called it.
I don't think that's the actual name of this football stadium, but it's – and this – they're playing their game.
They're playing their game, and, you know, someone calls a timeout, and they're doing it, and all of a sudden the smoke starts billowing from the middle of the field.
And everyone starts looking out in the middle of the field like, you know, why is this – you know, why is the field smoking?
And this big black balloon pops up, and it has the words MIT on it.
And apparently what happened was the – you know, these MIT fraternity people – I think it was a bunch – I think it was a fraternity – went out there and made eight separate trips out to the football stadium the week before
and set up this, you know, giant smoking balloon, and the line that I like about it was the Harvard president said,
I actually have no idea who scored the most points, but MIT won the game.
Oh, that is good. I like that.
Oh, this is really good, and that's what it is. It's just taking a social situation and throwing a monkey wrench into it.
So, yeah, we should go to different examples of –
Well, yeah, I think we're kind of like delving right into that right now, so let's continue along to the thing.
There's another one. There's one that Wiki mentioned, and for all you Walmart lovers, it's called World Mart.
And basically that's an event where if you can try to get a bunch of people together, and you go into a Walmart on a busy day,
like Black Friday would be good, and just walk around like a zombie for a couple hours and buy absolutely nothing and just leave the store.
Brains, man.
I mean, yeah, I mean, that's one of them. I mean, that's, you know, pretty simple.
You just go there and just walk around and don't buy anything.
But, I mean, they do – like, cultural jamming is more geared towards corporations, media, and stuff like that.
It's to kind of upset their business or something like that, which I really don't condone.
But, I mean, they make their business what they do.
If you don't like there, don't shop there.
Oh, I mean, going back to that whole, if you don't like it, don't shop there, one of the – one of another major –
I guess you could call it cultural jamming is Buy Nothing Day.
Yes, which Duel just –
Which probably by the time you've heard of this, it's passed.
But anyway, do you want to go with Buy Nothing Day this year or July?
You can go. I know Duel just mentioned it, I don't know, like Tuesday or Wednesday of last week.
He had mentioned it on the forum to remind people.
Well, essentially, Buy Nothing Day is a day where you buy nothing, and they always seem to make it coincide with Black Friday.
Now, do they have Black Friday out in other places other than the United States?
Would you know? I have no idea.
I don't have anybody to, like, purposely go out and do that.
Well, for those of you who don't know what Black Friday is, I'm not sure if you actually have – I guess not because it's – Thanksgiving is a U.S. holiday only.
Thanksgiving, which is a major holiday here in the U.S., is always on a Thursday, and the Friday afterwards is called Black Friday, and it's nothing depressing.
Don't worry.
It's the unofficial start of the Christmas holiday season, and all of these stores have these, you know, humongous sales, and they open their doors up at 5 a.m., and that's what it is.
And, like, all these people go over there and try to – you know, you have, like, lines and people rioting if they don't get their, you know, Tickle Me Elmo or whatever.
But what these people – it's – I believe it's, like, BuyNothingDay.com or something.
I'm not sure.
Do you know?
I'm not sure exactly what it is.
If you have any idea, just Google BuyNothingDay, and you'll find the website.
And it's this group of people who strive to basically offset that by having a bunch of people who go out and buy nothing on that same day.
So it's just kind of a statement of, you know, oh, we buy too much, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
I mean, I personally don't agree with it, but, you know, it's a perfect example of what this is.
It's attempting to take a situation and change it to, you know, make people think about it.
And, you know, BuyNothingDay, I think, accomplishes that very well when you have a bunch of people and you don't buy anything.
Yeah, on Thanksgiving, I went to that same convenience store that I mentioned in that story to get cigarettes, and I figured, you know, what the hell, I'll pick up a newspaper.
I really don't pick up newspapers that much.
I read everything online, but I was looking, and I don't know.
In other areas, but on Sundays, it's like the huge newspaper day where it's $1.75, and it's like four inches thick, this newspaper filled with advertisements.
And I looked at the newspaper, and it was huge.
It was like, you know, like three inches thick.
And I was like, wow.
I was like, how much is it?
And he said, 50 cents.
And I was like, really?
I was kind of surprised that it was like nothing but advertisements everywhere, just coupons.
And I was like, man, everyone was like, well, yeah.
Yeah, like if you look at the stuff before, you look at those newspapers before, and they're filled with ads.
And even like I think all this week I got like some type of ad from some major chain advertising all of their, you know, crazy show up at 4 a.m.
and get a free puppy or whatever their promotions are.
But, I mean, and I actually think that's another interesting example over here is you have the people who have Buy Nothing Day,
but then you can also have the people who are culture jamming jamming who attempt to go out and actually buy a lot of stuff on that day to offset the people who don't buy anything.
What is it, like kind of like protesting the protesters type?
Yeah, I guess you could really call that.
And it's – I actually started to refer to it as culture jamming.
So like you're jamming the culture jammers.
So how do you like that, huh?
And, well, I guess an example of it is if you really want to like actually a good example that you can sit down and try to figure out.
I mean there's a movie out there called Turk 182, and have you ever seen it?
It's probably been 10 years since I've seen it.
I mean it's been quite a while.
It's a good movie.
It's essentially – it's a lot of stuff.
It's about a – essentially what it boils down to is a kid who protests a corrupt New York City government.
I believe it was actually taped in the late 70s, mid-70s.
Do you have any idea?
Yeah, late 70s, early 80s would be my best guess.
Yeah, and it's – and he does a lot of things where he crashes like various stage political events, and all the media is there taping the mayor and trying to show –
and he's trying to show off this like – the one that pops to mind is he's trying to show off this new graffiti-proof subway car.
And the kid just sandblasts the entire car and then does all the graffiti over it, and because he sandblasted, it sticks fine.
So he shows off, and here's the brand-new graffiti car, and this car pulls into the station.
And no one – the driver has no clue that he's actually covered in graffiti, and it's like, the mayor sucks.
Turk wanted to.
It's a funny movie, and it's interesting that – it provides a lot of examples of how the media can be used in – against itself and against – I'm not sure if I'm – I can't really articulate what I'm trying to say here.
But anyway.
Yeah, speaking of like using the media to kind of get it across, now this may or may not have happened in the late 90s, 99, 2000.
But it was raining really bad down here one day, and sometimes when it rains so bad and the schools start flooding,
if you get – watch the news early enough in the morning, they have a ticker of certain schools closed due to flooding.
And, yeah, I mean, somebody may have called the media, their press, their news desk or whatever it's called,
and said that they were an assistant for the superintendent and that the school district or – not the school district,
but a particular high school would be closed for the day when it actually floods.
And they actually pulled the announcement on there?
Yeah, a few minutes later, you see on the ticker, you know, blank, blank high school, others due to flooding.
Oh, man.
Oh, actually, that's another example that I completely forgot of until you just mentioned it, was I'm not sure – this isn't actually happened down by you.
I believe this happened in North Carolina where they – I mean, North Carolina, it was a major snowstorm.
In North Carolina, in case, you know, for those of you not in the area, I don't think they get a lot of snow,
or at least as far as I know because I don't live down there.
But they have this major snowstorm.
They have lots and lots of cancellations.
And they have, like, the little ticker thing that you were talking about.
And for those of you who actually have, like, areas and they have school cancellations or snow,
you know what we're talking about, but for those of you who don't, it's just this little, you know,
ticker down the bottom saying, you know, such and such a school district closed for the day
or such and such a school district delayed, you know, 15 minutes so the kids can get to school or whatever.
But this, you know, North Carolina station had this great idea of, oh, okay,
well, we don't have a real system put into place for this, so let's go use our website.
Go to this web URL, submit your announcement, and we'll put it on air for you because, you know, whatever.
So people started submitting stuff where they had, like, you know, it was all kinds of strange puns.
I believe there was, like, you know, Leet Haxor Daycare closed for the day.
Yeah, I don't know whose idea it was for that where they'll just announce anything
because that, like, failed from the get-go.
Oh, that was just absolutely moronic.
My personal favorite was Michael Jackson Daycare was delayed.
Oh, man, that's wrong.
It was just really bad.
It was a bubble head doll.
Yeah, I forget what it was.
If you actually go online and, like, search, try to search this out.
I'll try to find a link for it at some point.
But there was people out there who had actually – he was taking pictures of them going on the air,
and it was just – oh, man, it was hilarious.
Like, you see all these people with, like – you see these little stills,
and, like, the guy's in there doing his little weather stuff,
and all of a sudden you see down the bottom, like, you know, like I said,
like Leet Haxor Computer School.
I forget what it says.
And there was, like, literally, like, 10 or 20 of these that went out on the air that they approved.
And I can just imagine all these ones they didn't approve.
Yeah, I'm sure there's probably some profanity ones in there that they obviously just canceled out.
Oh, yeah, there was stuff like that.
But I think there was some very risque ones where if you actually said them out loud,
they sounded like something.
I really don't – this was – I think this was, like, two years ago at this point.
I don't remember really.
But it was – it's made us rounds on a bunch of various bulletin boards,
and it was – I had a good fall over it.
I have another one that is actually probably the best example.
I mean, there's a site out there called Improv Everywhere, or Improveverywhere.com.
And it's based out of New York.
So y'all that are up there, y'all may want to get on the mailing list if y'all are interested in this sort of thing.
But I know I sent you the link, you know, before, and they pull up some really, really, really cool stuff with some of their missions.
Let me bring up two of my favorite ones.
One is – was it the Mobius?
I'm not sure how to pronounce that.
And look up –
Mobius.
Okay.
And look up more was the other one.
But the Mobius one, basically what they did is they got six or seven people together, and basically they decided they were going to loot time.
So they came up with this skit where, like, this couple would walk in, and they would get into an argument, and the girl would run out, and he would chase after her.
And then that would cue –
And this was actually all happening in the little Starbucks, right?
Oh, yeah.
I forgot to mention that.
This is all inside a Starbucks.
And then that would cue the next person – like, I think one guy, like, spilled his drink, and then another guy would cough or do something.
And then that would cue another person.
He'd walk in playing a song on this jukebox, and he would come walking across the Starbucks, playing a song and doing a little dance, and he'd walk completely across, you know, right through the front and go out to the other side entrance or side exit, whatever.
And then that would prompt everything to loop over again.
And this whole – like, this whole routine took – it took about five minutes for this whole routine to go down.
And so after that, once the other guy left, then that couple would come back in.
They would have the same argument, and basically they'd repeat this 12 times for, you know, a total of one hour.
And people in the store, like, were really starting to flip out, like, oh, my God, you know, what's happening?
You know, are we stuck in a time warp?
And then other people inside the Starbucks started noticing different tidbits to see who was in on it.
They were noticing something else that was repeating.
And so everyone's all looking around to try to see who's in on it and what else is repeating.
And, you know, some people are saying, oh, my God, is this going on on all the Starbucks?
And – but, yeah, it was really cool.
And it – and that's what it comes down to is making people try to be more aware of their surroundings.
Another one, the same group that – I actually heard these people before you point them out to me was the – they broke into the – well, they didn't actually break into,
but they went into the Times Square McDonald's, and they set up a bathroom attendant.
Now, for those of you who don't know, a bathroom attendant is basically someone in fancy restaurants who makes sure, you know, all the toilet paper is stocked,
and they hand you little mints, and this guy was the McDonald's bathroom attendant.
And people would come in, and he'd, you know, offer him little moist towelettes, and they'd be – it was just – because you don't expect that certain thing at McDonald's.
So, like, they were, like, really, like, wondering.
And I think eventually a manager came in and said, excuse me, who are you?
And he says, well, I'm the bathroom attendant.
And he says, we're not supposed to have a bathroom attendant here.
And he says, yes, you are.
Didn't you get the memo from corporate?
And he said, no.
And he said, well, I'm sure there's been some mistake.
Just, you know, call the corporate division, you know, and, you know, talk to somebody, and they'll know what it is.
And apparently this was a major thing.
Like, people did not know what the heck was going on.
So they – you know, people at the corporate division were calling around trying to figure out everything that was, you know, who sent this bathroom attendant to.
Yeah, and they actually let that guy stay there for, what, it was probably, what, close to an hour or so, I think?
I don't know how long he stayed, but he stayed for a long period of time.
And they were absolutely shocked that they got away with it for so long.
He was courteous and nice, and he took photographs with people and everything.
Yeah, that's really great.
The other one that I wanted to mention is the Look Up More.
And basically they got – I don't even know how many people, 60, 70 people together.
And basically whenever they go to an event where they need a lot of people for this sort of thing, they'll kind of give you an idea of what to bring or whatever.
And they said, basically, everybody wear all black and just show up, and we'll tell you what's going on from there, like, minutes before they do it.
Oh, they're doing an emo thing?
They're doing something emo?
So they showed up.
Life is pain.
I'm going to stand alone.
But, you know, everybody shows up, and everyone's wearing all black.
And they always have, like, a meeting spot, and he kind of goes over what they're going to do, and if need be, they go through, like, a little, you know, test run type thing, you know, so everybody's on the same page.
And so all these people showed up, and he's randomly giving out people numbers, you know, and these numbers were to go along with a certain window that – it was, like, three department stores or four department stores in this building, you know, one for each floor.
And so – and then they had a pre-designed dance.
So everybody would show up, and they would just show up and stand in this window and just look outside towards the street, you know, out in New York.
And they would just stand there, and then there was a guy outside that would give them a cue, and, like, he raised his hand, and then everybody started doing a certain dance.
Everybody was doing his own dance.
And then they would sit there, and then they would all stop, and then they had design where everybody knew where to point, and everybody was pointing in the different direction.
And, you know, and everybody ended up pointing to one specific window, and then one person would do a solo dance and just go nuts.
And then, you know, when this is going on, everybody outside that is walking down the street is starting to gather.
I mean, there's dozens, you know, maybe a hundred people outside to get in the wash, just wondering what's going on.
And on the site, when you read about these missions, they actually give accounts from people that were involved in it, and they're saying how people inside the stores are flipping out.
They don't know what's going on.
Just people are looking out the windows and stuff like that.
It's just absolute chaos.
You know, it's organized chaos is kind of another way you could put it, I guess.
Yeah.
And so how long does this go on?
I think there's four dances.
It turns out one of the department stores kicked them out before they could get going, so there's like a gap of one floor that there's nobody at because they got kicked out.
They were getting paranoid by a lot of people dressed in black just starting out a window for no apparent reason.
They might have machine guns.
Well, I mean, another good example of this is it's along the similar lines, but it's improv, but it's actually zug.com, Z-U-G.com.
And my personal favorite is there's actually guys in Boston, so it's pretty interesting.
One of the major things that he did was he convinced the Boston media that Michael Jackson was in town and was doing things.
And I actually – I mean, what the funny part is is I actually remember going along, walking by the newspaper machines and seeing the sign like, you know, Jacko in town from the Boston Herald.
And then I was like, oh, okay, Michael Jackson's in town, whatever.
And then the next day was another headline, same like big font and the same picture of the guy was, was Jacko a fake?
And I was like, what the hell is going on here?
But I didn't actually put too much thought because it's the Boston Herald, and the Boston Herald is a New York Post Jr.
Seriously, the Boston Herald is a New York Post Jr., and the Boston Globe, our other newspaper in town, is the New York Times Jr.
It's kind of weird.
And they've only recently started doing this.
But anyway, so I – you know, like a couple months later, I start going up on this – I check out the website like I usually do every so often.
And he posts new material, and one of the things was Michael Jackson hoax in Boston.
I was like, wait a minute, wait a minute, what?
And I click on it, and this guy – I forget his name, who's in charge of it.
He found out that he can get a credit card from his credit card company on his account with any name possible on the credit card.
So he got a credit card on it with Michael Jackson.
So he said, well, okay, let's go get a bunch of people and set up so that Michael Jackson shows up in the town.
So he gets a few of his friends, and he actually is the – he pretended that – the guy who had the credit card who's in charge of it pretended that he was a Michael Jackson publicist.
And he got these little business cards saying, you know, Zugg.com, so-and-so, you know, publicist Michael Jackson.
And what they did is they went all around town all day doing all kinds of stuff, you know, with this whole Michael Jackson persona.
And the two crowning achievements that I liked was he was going in one of our, you know, more trendy malls, and he threw out a bag of fake vomit to make it look like Michael Jackson threw up.
I remember reading about this a while back, but yeah, that's definitely –
And, you know, of course, you know, all the paparazzi were following him, and they got these pictures of Michael Jackson throwing up.
And so they forwarded along, and people started – you know, shortly started showing up how, you know, Michael Jackson threw up in Boston.
And they were staying in the Copley Plaza, which is one – I think it was the Copley Plaza, one of the more trendy hotels in Boston.
And there was a, you know, benefit concert on for some charity who had all these stars and said – so he went up to them and said, oh, hi, I'm Michael Jackson, the publicist.
We would really like to make a small donation if we could get a, you know, a balcony or something or like one of those little, like, side boxes.
I forget what they call them, box seats.
There you go.
To, you know, view the concert.
So they said, oh, sure.
So they came in this box seat, and they stayed for, like, most of the concert.
Didn't they have something like the – I'm sorry.
Didn't they have something like ballroom or something like that that he went into, and he actually was talking with somebody famous or a senator or something like that?
Actually, yes.
I think that was afterwards.
They actually – after the concert, they went into this little room with the celebrity, and they met the, you know, the headlining person for the charity.
And, you know, it was just because, you know, hey, we're Michael Jackson.
Michael Jackson wants to see it.
Of course we need to tell him to do it.
And I think their cover was blown, actually, by one of the paparazzi when they – he got – you know, he, like, you know, managed to sneak in someplace, and he came up to him and said, you're not Michael Jackson because no way in hell I would be able to get this close to Michael Jackson.
Yeah, that's when they bolted or something, right?
So they were sort of like –
Yeah, they essentially just bolted out of the thing.
Another good one from Zug was the – they put a contest up for Heinz Tomato Ketchup, made a website where you can make your own Heinz Tomato Ketchup bottle with your own custom label.
So they had a contest on there for, you know, make your own – make a very inventive label that the system would accept.
Like it wouldn't accept swear words and wouldn't accept such and such.
And so he picked three of the more favorite ones that he liked, and he, you know, he made them – had them made, and then he went to a store and bought three Heinz Tomato Ketchup bottles.
And then he tried to return the ones that were the fakes.
And, like, he came up to him and said – I forget what it was.
Oh, there we go.
One of them had mayonnaise on it, and he said, excuse me, I think this mayonnaise is very, very bad.
And the guy looked at it and said, well, it says Heinz to me.
It says Heinz on it.
It must be the thing, but it's mayonnaise because it says it right on the bottle.
And he tried to return it, and so they gave him $2 back.
Of course, like, the bottles cost, like, $15 to make, so whatever.
And then, like – well, then half hour later, he tries to return a bottle that says, you know, Heinz, not tested on animals, but tastes great on them.
And he says, excuse me, I'm a member of PETA, how do you pronounce it, PETA, PETA, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, and this highly offends me.
And they – like, they have to call the manager, and, you know, he says, I have the receipt.
I want a refund.
And they said, okay, okay, fine.
And they give him another $2, and he comes back.
And then he comes back another hour later, and he says, excuse me, this is kind of weird, but it says on this bottle, lather, rinse, repeat, so I thought it was shampoo.
And he had, like, the ketchup on his head, and people were just, like, looking at him.
Like, the line was, people were looking at me like I had massive head trauma.
So they actually finally reviewed the videotape and said that, excuse me, sir, you bought three plastic bottles, not three glass bottles.
Can you imagine the look on their face?
Especially the second one.
That was my favorite one.
But, like, you know, the not tested on animals, but tasted good on them.
Can you imagine the looks on their faces when they first –
Oh, yeah, that's what it is.
And, of course, that's just – it's just weird.
And, actually, the funny part is I actually know what store he went to, which was very amusing.
Oh, that's why you said that he's a local.
Because we'll get, like –
Mm-hmm, he's in Boston.
Well, I mean, I don't go to that store anymore, but I do know the one that he went to.
And, finally, I think my third favorite is he actually tested to what he could write on –
he would use his credit card, and he would actually test on what he could write down on the bottom with actually it being accepted.
Yeah.
Yeah, the signature.
Yeah, sorry.
He would sign it, like, you know, incorrect signature, hand it back to the person, and it would get accepted, and they would charge him.
Which, technically, they're not supposed to do, but if you go to the website, just, like, you have to see some of the stuff that he made on it.
Like, he –
For a signature.
Yeah, he made – he said – yeah, he said he made a little, like, you know, landscape picture of a certain scene that he wanted to do.
But my personal favorite was, you know, how when you go to restaurants and you have a little pre-made area for tip,
he actually put in a negative amount and did the math out and see what they would charge him,
and he actually signed on on the bottom, so it was sucked.
Did it work, though?
And – no, it didn't.
They charged him the original amount, but – that wasn't awesome.
I would be like, oh, geez.
Run up a $500 bar tab and say, oh, the service sucked, negative $500.
Oh, it's even better.
That'd be great.
$100 refund.
There you go.
But, like I said, Zug.com, Z-U-G.
So, I – these are just, like – these are just, like, some examples you can use.
And it's – it's basically – it's a lot of creativity.
And you need to find out something that you would just like to mess with people with and just go for it.
And – but you have to remember it can't hurt anybody.
And it needs to – it can't be illegal, and it needs to be elegant in order for it to be considered a hack.
So, those are the three rules.
But once you get beyond that, go for it.
Huh.
Is there anything else you want to really cover?
But I think that really kind of – you know.
It gets kind of repetitive after a while – or not really repetitive, but, I mean, it's different situations where you can, you know, enact these things.
And really, I mean, until you go out there and start doing it and getting people's reactions, I mean, because there's something that cannot be faked is somebody's initial reaction.
I mean, even if they know it's coming, their initial reaction is by far – it's great when you see people's initial reaction to anything.
Yeah.
There's actually another group down in Texas, and I believe it's one of the university groups.
And I don't remember what they're called, though, so I can't really give you any ideas.
But they have, like, the pita barbecue where it was people eating tasty animals.
I mean, they didn't actually come up with the concept, but they actually took out on the quad and had a barbecue.
What was that? I don't know if you remember the movie. It's an older one. Something, Politically Correct University, PCU.
I've heard of that. I've actually watched it, though.
There's this one group where, like, every week they have a different protest, that every week they change what they're protesting about.
You know, it's a bunch of hippies and stuff like that.
And these are other, like, you know, kind of rambunctious people that stay in this one house or dorm or whatever.
They're protesting meat. You know, they're vegetarians, to speak, or something like that.
So they show up, they break into the kitchen, and they grab trays and trays of, like, hamburger meat, you know, like mashed-up hamburger meat.
And they begin throwing the meat upon the protest from, like, a clock tower or something like that.
It makes everybody go ballistic.
Again, that might be illegal because it's breaking that train, but...
It's a movie. It's a movie, though.
It's still pretty damn humorous.
It's a movie.
All right. Well, I think that kind of wraps it up for this episode.
How are we doing on time?
All right.
I don't know. I think we're doing pretty well.
I think I'm going to run and write about 1.30.
Actually, I'm trying to keep the time low because I recently noticed that all the episodes I do turn into these are, like, one-hour-and-40-minute epics.
So I'm trying to keep it low and make sure we're trying to stay under 1.30.
I'm good because if we actually go over 95 minutes, it gets cuts off on the stream.
So I don't want to leave anybody hanging out there.
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I don't know.
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Yeah, I mean, a lot of mine were going to be the same ones that you mentioned.
Well, shouts to you for having me on my first time on BinRev Radio.
And Stank, Droops.
Oh, thanks.
I'd also like to give a shout-out to Seal.
Seal's doing good work with that documentary.
If you have any ideas and stuff like that, I mean, he asked for, you know, if you have any input on stuff like that, for the documentary that he's made.
Or not documentary, it's a movie.
I'm sorry.
But, yeah, I mean, give him some feedback.
Let him know.
All right.
Now, listen, shouts out to also Savant, because Savant's cool.
And we're starting up a project.
Oh, yeah.
You can give site of the week, because you were much more into what the name was.
As we mentioned earlier, improveverywhere.com.
And it's based out of New York, you know, New York City.
So if you're in the area, check out the site.
You can literally sit there for hours and read all the missions.
And they have pictures from a lot of missions that are going on from inside.
People that were there were sneaking pictures with a camera phone.
And they got some video.
And I think they just released some DVDs or something.
But, yeah, definitely check it out.
And, I mean, you'll be laughing for hours just reading some of the stuff they pull off.
You'd probably like one of them, but I'll tell you about it after the show.
You might find them pretty funny.
All right.
I think we should email.
Email is radio at binrev.com.
And our closing music tonight is the Super Mario Brothers Blues by, I believe it's a Netherland-type group.
It's Nezkov.
It was a good song, but I can't pronounce the damn name.
Nezkovartitin.
Who knows?
Yeah.
I'm American.
And I can't speak.
All right.
So, as always, we will see you next week.
Same hack time.
We'll be right back.
Thank you.