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Hello Marian,

Tuesday, February 29, 2000, 6:00:07 PM, you wrote:

>> Moze trzeba uzyc lepszego programu, a nie tego "badziewia" WinOnCD???
>> 
>> *To bardzo dobry program... Nie urzywaj, jak Ci nie odpowiada, ale nie
>> wypowiadaj sie w ten sposob o czyms czego nie lubisz lub nie urzywasz.
>> 
>> Zdrowko
>> lukep
>> 
M> OK OK masz racje, cofam to, ale swoja droga musze powiedziec, ze coraz mniej mi sie podoba. Zauwazylem ostatnio, ze plytki audio cd zaczely mi sie nagrywac z predkoscia x1 a do tej pory x2... a
M> stalo sie tak po zainstalowaniu winoncd.
M> Pozdrawiam
Ostatnio faktycznie Nero przerasta WinOnCD. Twoj problem polega na
tym, ze Nero i WinOnCD sie gryza. Rozwiazanie - zmiany w autoexecu
(choice) znajduje sie na stronie Nero www.ahead.de Ale to chyba
dyskusja na CDCopyPl ?

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  Witam wszystkich zgromadzonych.

  Kolejny problem natury matematycznej.

  Mianowicie mam takie pytanko:

  Pamietam ze zdaje sie WebWasher mial fajny dosc sposob sprawdzania
  numeru seryjnego i w tym celu zamienial kod ASCII na hexy czyli na
  przykladzie:

  Serial wpisany: 1234567890
  postac hexadecymalna: 12h 34h 56h 78h 90h
  itd.

  Niestety nie pamietam juz gdzie ten program widzialem, totez nie moge
  sie tego dowiedziec na jego przykladzie. W jaki sposob mozna dokonac
  takiej wlasnie zamiany?
  I druga sprawa: Jak to samo wykonac w druga strone? Z postaci
  szesnastkowej na zwykly text?

  I jeszcze ciekawostka:
  Na stronie www.carlsberg.pl jest prosta gierka dzieki ktorej
  zdaje sie mozna wygrac krate piva, po ustaleniu wyniku i wpisaniu
  swojego name jest generowany kod przesylany potem na stronke
  producenta i wpisany na liste wynikow. Ktos moze sie zastanawial czy
  taki sposob "zwyciezania" daloby sie oszukac? tzn. czy jesli
  idealnie zmylimy program bedzie mozliwe sfalszowanie wyniku?
  Moim zdaniem metoda dla oszustow lezy jak na dloni. Co Wy na to?

  Pozdrawiam,

# Liquid /AAOCG/
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> (choice) znajduje sie na stronie Nero www.ahead.de Ale to chyba
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wtorek, 29 lutego 2000 o 11:34:56 you wrote:

N> Wlasnie sciagnelem sobie Visual Assembler, jest zajebisty, polecam. Waga
N> ~3Mb z sourcem (C-Builder) ~6Mb. Trzeba tylko poczekac az bedzie to wersja
N> full bo w tej chwili jest to alpha prerelease.

N> http://www.bytamin-c.com/VisualAssembler/visasm.zip

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On 00-02-29 at 23:35 Liquid wrote:

>Witam wszystkich zgromadzonych.
>
>  Kolejny problem natury matematycznej.
>
>  Mianowicie mam takie pytanko:
>
>  Pamietam ze zdaje sie WebWasher mial fajny dosc sposob sprawdzania
>  numeru seryjnego i w tym celu zamienial kod ASCII na hexy czyli na
>  przykladzie:
>
>  Serial wpisany: 1234567890
>  postac hexadecymalna: 12h 34h 56h 78h 90h
>  itd.
>
>  Niestety nie pamietam juz gdzie ten program widzialem, totez nie moge
>  sie tego dowiedziec na jego przykladzie. W jaki sposob mozna dokonac
>  takiej wlasnie zamiany?
>  I druga sprawa: Jak to samo wykonac w druga strone? Z postaci
>  szesnastkowej na zwykly text?

Hi..

Z hex na tekst mozna wykorzystac _wsprintfA

	format		db "%lX",0

	push	edx			;dana
	push	offset format	;format stringu
	push	offset txtDana	;wskaznik do stringu
	call	_wsprintfA		;call wsprintf


Odwrotnie..., nie wiem czy jest jakas funkcja.., mozna by pokombinowac na
kodach ascii... moze tak:

	lea	edi,txtDana
	xor	eax,eax
	xor	ebx,ebx
	mov	bl, byte ptr [edi]
	sub	bl, 30h
	cmp	bl, 0Fh
	jbe	dalej2
	sub	bl,07h	
dalej2:	
	mov	al,10h
	imul	bl
	inc	edi
	mov	bl, byte ptr [edi]
	sub	bl, 30h
	cmp	bl, 0Fh
	jbe	dalej1
	sub	bl,07h
dalej1:
	add	al,bl

Na wejciu txtDana ma byc tekst z zakresu 0-F czyli szesnastkowe wartosc.
Wezmy np. '1C', bierzemy 1 czyli ascii do bl=31h, odejmujemy 30h i mamy
bl=01h, teraz mnozymy przez 10h i mamy bl=10h. Teraz bierzemy druga czesc
czyli C, daje bl=43h, odejmujemy 30h wiec bl=13h, jezeli wieksze od OFh to
odejmujemy jeszcze 07h czyli bl=0Ch no i teraz dodajemy do poprzedniego
czyli 10+C=1Ch. W al mamy dana pobrana z stringu '1C'.

W kazdym razie powinno dzialac. Mozna pewnie inaczej ale tak mi przyszlo do
glowy.

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On 00-02-27 at 12:36 GustawKit wrote:

>Hi..
>
>Oki..przypomina w sobote 4 marca z zainteresowanymi spotykamy sie w
>Krakowie. Powiedzmy czas mniej wiecej 12.00-13.00 sie umawiamy. Ja bede o
>12.00, kazdy dotrze jak bedzie mogl. Miejsce, pub NURT, ci co byli
ostatnio
>wiedza gdzie, innym podaje namiary. Idac ul. Florianska od barbakanu w
>strone Rynku gdzies dobrze za polowa drogi po lewej stronie bedzie taki
>niebieskawy szyld z napisem pub Nurt, wchodzi sie do sieni i po lewej
>stronie jest zejscie do piwnic w ktorych jest pub.

>Z tego co dostalem infa.. planuja byc:
>Otton,oxcart,p10tr,Kevin,Devon,tato,Nadol,Smola.
>
>To jak rozumie jestesmy umowieni. Moze ktos jeszcze sie skusi dotrzec do
>nas.:-))..


Oki.. nic sie nie zmienilo..., juz nie bede pisal, jestesmy umowieni na
sobote. Kilka osob jeszcze dalo znac, ze moze sie zjawi, Smoly niestety nie
bedzie.., bedzie za to Zomo :-)))..

No to do soboty..!

Zdrowko
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>>> "Mi=B3y" <mily@klienci.pkobp.pl> 27.02.00 20:22:12 >>>

> Czy kto=B6 wie, jak si=EA rozwala has=B3o pod BIOSem w laptopie Compaq'a ????
> mi=B3y.

Poszukaj na stronach WWW Compaq'a, biosu do Twojego modelu Compaq'a. Compaq nie stosuje tradycyjnej metody zapisywanie ustawien w kosci, ale na dyskietce. Jesli chcesz wyciac stary bios, to zajzyj fdisk'iem na C: Jako pierwsza powinna byc kilku/kilkunasto MB "nieokreslona" partycja. Tam wlasnie jest bios. Mozesz to spokojnie wyciac i wgrywac bios z dyskietki.

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> OK OK masz racje, cofam to, ale swoja droga musze powiedziec, ze coraz
mniej mi sie podoba. Zauwazylem ostatnio, ze plytki audio cd zaczely mi sie
nagrywac z predkoscia x1 a do tej pory x2... a stalo sie tak po
zainstalowaniu winoncd.

*Ja spokojnie nagrywam w predkosci 4x.... Sciagni ze strony CeQadrata
drivery do Twej nagrywary.

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Czolem !
Jestem nowy na tej grupie.I jak kazdy nowy mam probelmy( kto ich nie ma ? )
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> 
> Odwrotnie..., nie wiem czy jest jakas funkcja.., mozna by pokombinowac na
> kodach ascii... moze tak:
> 
> 	lea	edi,txtDana
> 	xor	eax,eax
> 	xor	ebx,ebx
> 	mov	bl, byte ptr [edi]
> 	sub	bl, 30h
> 	cmp	bl, 0Fh
> 	jbe	dalej2
> 	sub	bl,07h	
> dalej2:	
> 	mov	al,10h
> 	imul	bl
> 	inc	edi
> 	mov	bl, byte ptr [edi]
> 	sub	bl, 30h
> 	cmp	bl, 0Fh
> 	jbe	dalej1
> 	sub	bl,07h
> dalej1:
> 	add	al,bl
> 

	Mozna to troszke zoptymalizowac :)

naHEX	PROC
;wejscie AL - dana do konwersji
;wyjscie AL - zamienione na HEX
naHEX	ENDP

	LEA ESI,txtdana
	LODSB
	CALL naHEX
	ROL AL,4
	PUSH AX
	LODSB
	CALL naHEX
	POP BX
	ADD AL,BL
	;w AL mamy wartosc



> 
> Pozdrowka
> GustawKit
> 

Pozdrowinka
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Witaj Leo,

> czy zna ktos moze list dyskusyjna (polsi,francuski,angielSI)
> dla nowozencow z ssakiem morskim (delphi 4) ?

zes wymyslil... tak standardowo polecam pl.comp.lang.delphi

> i jaka jest procedura zeby uruchomic innego .pas np. aboutbox.pas ps
> imaginative copy i delete nie chodzi (komunikat "not inaf parametars")
> i umie ktos :

he ? mozesz dokladniej i po polsku ???

> mam string i chce usunac 4 ostatnie znaki (string o zmiennej dlugosci)

var
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begin
  delete(s,length(s)-4,4)
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pozdrawiam
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Witam!

29 lutego 2000, o 15:39, Mariusz 'Ma-rYu-sH' Witkowski zezna=B3(a):

> A co z tym spotkaniem w Szczecinie?

na razie nie ma ch=EAtnych....., bo raczej nie ma sensu osgranizowa=E6
spotkania dla dw=F3ch os=F3b.

Wi=EAc wszyscy SZCZECINIANIE! Piszcie (najlepiej, na liar@cool.it.pl), to si=EA
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jeszcze kwestia do obgadania.....


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Hi groopa
dzisiaj sie bawilem ciekawym programikiem Advanced Batch Converter i
 nie moglem sie cos zaglebic przy szukaniu  seriala
wiec  postanowilem zdisasemblowac progsa ale co to??? no tak skompresowany
na dodatek jest to jakas w ogole nie znana mi metoda ale postanowilem sie
dobrac do niego :)
po zmudnej analizie doszedlem do miejsca gdzie (tak mi sie wydawalo)
powinien byc juz rozpakowany program tylko
gorzej bylo z entrypointem po prostu nie znalazlem jumpa mimo zmudnej
analizy :( ale nic zrzucilem go mimo ze wiedzialem ze nie zadziala i
(jeszcze musialem zmienic characteristic CODE) disasemblacja of coz SDR i
co???
MEGA BONUS :))) wszystkie seriale w SDR :)))
wniosek???
trzeba szukac uparcie az sie znajdzie :) jesli nawet nie uda sie rozpakowac
proga zawsze mozna obejrzec co sie kryje w polprodukcie ;)

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>Czesc
>
>Rozwiazanie 5 minutowe dla gry DSJ :)
>Wystarczy zmiana 1 bajtu.
>Po deasemblacji (IDA), szukamy stringu-komunikatu,
>ktory pokazuje sie, gdy podamy zly KEY. Czyli w IDA dajemy
>Alt+T (Search for text...) i w polu String wpisujemy
>'Invalid registration'. Oto on:
>

tylko jeszce jedno pytanko 
mam IDA i jak podaje search (ALT+T) to nic nie znajduje
moze cos trzeba jeszcze ustawic
albo ja mam zla werse (freeware)

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Czy ma ktos info o pr=F3bnej maturze ?
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Hi
Ostatnio bralem sie za jeden programik CloneCD wydawaloby sie latwe
zabezpieczenie name/serial :)
no tak odpalilem SI loaderka i uruchamiam program i co??? tak blad
( odpalilem loaderka i pod tym go obejrzalem
nic specjalnego tam nie bylo (tak mi sie wydawalo ;)) ok nie doszedlem do
niczego (TRW2000 u mnie  nie chodzi wiec nie moglem z niego skorzystac :(  )
i postanowilem troche odczekac a w miedzyczasie wziac sie za Macromedia
Dreamweaver 3
i co??? to samo :( taki sam blad mi wywalilo wiec postanowilem obejrzec i
porownac te dwa programy okazalo sie ze poczawszy od entrypointu maja te
same linijki kodu co by moglo oznaczac jakiegos exe-paka no ale nie
zauwazylem tam zadnych sladow (ani zmienionych nazw sekcji ani zadnych
podejrzanych stringow) co mogloby wskazywac na jakis nowy wytwor :) jest
jeden szczegol brak sekcji o nazwie CODE i DATA i w jednym i w drugim pliku
:)
poczawszy od entrypoint'a mamy SIDT potem (oczywiscie w skrocie
najwazniejsze) mamy POP ESI <-gdzie esi w jednym i drugim rowna sie 40030B
(dziwne ;)) i INT 3 i skacze do kodu mov ecx,dr0
Sam nie moge tego analizowac gdyz mi winda na samym int3 wywala krytyczne
wyjatki nie mowiac o drx'ach jak by ktos byl zainteresowany to Macromedia
jest na marcowym Pcworldzie i nie chodzi mi o zarejestrowanie programu tylko
o obejrzenie tego pakera.

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Witaj,
> A skad mozna sciagnac tego Customizera ???
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Cze=B6=E6 Maciek!

W swojej wiadomo=B6ci napisa=B3e(a)=B6:

>> Czy kto=B6 wie, jak si=EA rozwala has=B3o pod BIOSem w laptopie Compaq'a ????
>> mi=B3y.

> Wylacz ten p*.*y HTML!

> Teraz do rzeczy:
> Jezeli mozesz uruchomic sam komputer, to poszukaj w sieci programiku
> bios310.exe lub czegos podobnego. To powinno Ci pomoc z tym haslem.
> Jezeli zas masz haslo na startup i nie mozesz nawet nic uruchomic, to
> musisz otworzyc komputer i wyzerowac zawartosc CMOS'u. Gdzies
> powinna byc zworka do 'programowania napieciem' ;-) albo poprostu
> zerowania CMOS'u, ew. mozesz tez wyciagnac baterie na jakis czas,
> ale nie wiem, czy to pomoze.

> http://home1.swipnet.se/~w-12702/11A/
> http://11a.home.ml.org

> Moze te adresiki cos dadza, ale nie wiem, czy juz nie sa przestarzale.

> MX

Jest jeszcze jedna metoda, mo=BFesz u=BFy=E6 programiku KillCmos, odpalasz
go z dyskietki i przywraca on ustawienia fabryczne Biosa, jak nie
znajdziesz, to poszukam u siebie, mo=BFe go jeszcze mam.
Pozdrawiam
 Bag

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Czesc

Cobra JM wrote:

> Jezeli mi nic naglego nie wyskoczy to tez bede, bo bardzo chce WAS poznac a przy

Wlasnie mi wyskoczylo - sobota, niedziela do roboty  - wiec zegnaj Krakowie i wy
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Czesc

Bag wrote:
> 
> >> Czy kto=B6 wie, jak si=EA rozwala has=B3o pod BIOSem w laptopie Compaq'a ????
> >> mi=B3y.


> 
> Jest jeszcze jedna metoda, mo=BFesz u=BFy=E6 programiku KillCmos, odpalasz
> go z dyskietki i przywraca on ustawienia fabryczne Biosa, jak nie
> znajdziesz, to poszukam u siebie, mo=BFe go jeszcze mam.
> Pozdrawiam
>  Bag
> 

UWAGA! KillCmos to jest Trojan - moj antywirus nie pozwala go uruchomic a gdzies
tez o tym czytalem.

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Hello S=B3awomir,

Wednesday, March 01, 2000, 9:18:38 AM, you wrote:

>> (choice) znajduje sie na stronie Nero www.ahead.de Ale to chyba
>> dyskusja na CDCopyPl ?
>> 
>> -- 

ST> A gdzie ta grupa sie znajduje ???
ST> Z checia sie zapisze ;)

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> Cze wszystkim !,
> czy zna ktos moze list dyskusyjna (polsi,francuski,angielSI)
> dla nowozencow z ssakiem morskim (delphi 4) ?
niestety... jest delphipl na egroups... zapisy - pusty mail na
delphipl-subscribe@egroups.com
niestety osttnio ciiiicho tam... ja jednak twierdze ze najlepszym
tutorem do nauki delhi jest help... ja startowalem od niego i co
wyszlo?? Lone Wolf -;) bajdelej... ulepszylem troche kompresje
crackow, seriali i keygenow... przy keygenach kompresja jest
lepsza o 22% od rara... aplib rulez ;)

> i jaka jest procedura zeby uruchomic innego .pas np. aboutbox.pas
ergh... chodzi ci o pokazanie dialoga zdefiniowanego w innym unicie??
jezeli tak, to wywolujesz funkcje:

// w aboutbox.pas masz zdefiniowany formularz np. form2

form2.show;

albo, jezeli chcesz zeby dostep do ionnych okien byl blokowany

form2.showmodal;

showmodal jest o tyle lepsze, ze moze zwracac ona pewne dane,
ktore sie czesto przydaja...

ps
> imaginative copy i delete nie chodzi (komunikat "not inaf parametars")
> i umie ktos :
> mam string i chce usunac 4 ostatnie znaki (string o zmiennej dlugosci)

ergh... mozliwe... bylem po imprezie i do tego nie chcialo mi sie
odpalac delphi.. teraz masz przetestowany kod...
jezeli chcesz usunac ostatnie 4 znaki to nie ma problema ;)
//string nazywa sie s ;)

delete(s,length(s)-4,4);

jezeli jednak, jak ostatnio, chcesz usuwac rozszerzenie, to pojawia
sie problem ;) otoz w win95 rozszerzenie nie musi miec 3 znakow+kropka...
przeciez moze byc krotsze (to mozliwe jest i w dosie) ale moze byc
tez dluzsze... so

s:=extractfilename(opendialog1.FileName);

delete(s,length(s)-length(extractfileext(s))+1,length(extractfileext(s)));

albo

s:=copy(s,1,length(s)-length(extractfileext(s)));

po tym w s masz sama nazwe pliku, bez rozszerzenia...

tym razem na pewno dziala ;)

regards!

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> tak se zwiedzam strony o cracku a tu widze takie cos
> 
> SHAREWARE CRACKER  Shareware'owy program do =88amania zabezpiecze=E4
> X CRACKER  Program do =88amania kod=A2w
hehh... widac ze ludzie nawet nie wiedza co maja na stronach...
widocznie koles szukal wszystkiego co ma crack w nazwie i 
pakowal na strone... nawet pewnie nie odpalil progow...

> 
> od kiedy za shareware crackera trzeba placic? :) lol
> 

mnie raczej interesuje od kiedy XCracker sluzy do lamania kodow ;)

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Troche off topic, ale wiele os=F3b na liscie ma nagrywarki i moze mi cos
poradzicie - tylko WinOnCD widzi ja jako nagrywarke, reszta program=F3w nie.
Gdzie np w CD Creatorze czy Burning romie instaluje sie sterowniki?
Gdzie moge znalezc jakies informacje techniczne o budowie CDrom=F3w ( w ciagu
roku padly mi 3!!!). intryguja mnie przyczyny (napiecia w porzadku). Ktos
twierdzil, ze podobno jest jakis wirus kt=F3ry miesza w BOSie CDka .
prosze o informacje i adresy. (jajas lista, strona,publikacja)?

Przepraszam za of topic
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Potrzebuje jakiegos sprytnego algorytmu szukania stringu w asm, najlepiej z
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Subject: [crackpl-forum] Re: ikony w ulubionych
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> Dodaje sobie srtone do ulubionych i niekore z nich maja 
> ikonki a inne nie,
> jak to jest zrobione ?

Taki przepisik:
Tworzysz ikone i nazywasz ja "favicon.ico"
Jesli masz wlasna domene to wystarczy wrzucic ja do glownego
katalogu i gotowe, jesli natomiast masz darmowe konto u jakiegos
dostawcy to w kazdym dokumencie HTML w head powinno byc 
cos takiego:

<link rel="shortcut icon" href="http://www.moj.adres/favicon.ico">

Uwaga!
a) w powyzszym przykladzie adres musi byc bezwgledny (z http://... )
b) nie dziala to lokalnie - dopiero po umieszczeniu na serwerze.
c) ikona w ulubionych dziala tylko w MS Internet Explorerze.

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> > MX
> 
> Jest jeszcze jedna metoda, mo=BFesz u=BFy=E6 programiku KillCmos, odpalasz
> go z dyskietki i przywraca on ustawienia fabryczne Biosa, jak nie
> znajdziesz, to poszukam u siebie, mo=BFe go jeszcze mam.
> Pozdrawiam
>  Bag

	wejdz na stronke www.cookiecrk.z.pl w dziale cookiecrktoolz jest
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On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, NaDoL wrote:

> Potrzebuje jakiegos sprytnego algorytmu szukania stringu w asm, najlepiej z
> przykladawym kodem. Ma ktos cos takiego? W niektorych progach zabezpieczenie
> jest caly czas takie samo, zmienia sie tylko wielkosc pliku wraz ze zmiana
> wersji, mozna wiec zrobic unirsalnego pacza.
> 
> NaDoL

	nie posiadam zrodla ale ja bym to zrobil tak :

1) zebranie informacji o sekcjach z pliku PE
2) podpinanie sie pod proces
3) prezeszukiwanie tylko tych obszarow pamieci ktore sa zdefiniowane w
sekcjach poprzez funkcje ReadProcessMemory
4) .... podanie informacji uzytkownikowi o znalezieniu badz nieznalezieniu
stringa
5) EOF 

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On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, NaDoL wrote:

> Potrzebuje jakiegos sprytnego algorytmu szukania stringu w asm, najlepiej z
> przykladawym kodem. Ma ktos cos takiego? W niektorych progach zabezpieczenie
> jest caly czas takie samo, zmienia sie tylko wielkosc pliku wraz ze zmiana
> wersji, mozna wiec zrobic unirsalnego pacza.
> 
> NaDoL

	Grr moj poprzedni post byl z innej beczki ... sorki :)) chodzi ci
o znajdowanie stringa w kodzie EXEca ... to podrzuce ci moja procedurke
przeszukiwania pliku :)))

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Mam pytanie
Jak zdobyc haslo (pelny dostep) do Administratora w WindowsNT. Posiadam
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Hi
wiem ze to moze raczej pytanie na ASMPL ale....... :)
poszukuje info n/t  getopenfilenamea createfilemappinga i (un)mapviewoffile
tzn chodzi mi o to z czym sie to wywoluje i jakie daje skutki
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Jarek wrote:

> Mam pytanie
> Jak zdobyc haslo (pelny dostep) do Administratora w WindowsNT. Posiadam
> dostep na poziomie uzytkownika ale potrzebuje pelnego poniewaz nie mam
> dostepu do wielu zainstalowanych program=F3w.
> Pozdrawiam
> Hegemon
>

no wiec moge troszke nie na temat ..ale ok.
lookni sobie na servis paka :) jezeli jest 3 ..:))) to sa szanse :) bowiem
koles Konstanin Sobolev napisal sploita do NTka i masz wtedy administratora
jest jeszcze inna drogra lamac hasla:) ale NT ma certyfikat C2:)) heh
..l0phack:))
jezeli jestes zainstersowany tym wal na priva... pozostaje jeszcze jedno
pytanie czy ladowanie z pocket linuxa partycji ntfs jest read-only czy write
tez ?? jezeli write to problem rozwiazany hasla sa ..hmm jak to bylo
..c:\winnt\system\config\sam ..jakos tak ..albo system32 :)
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Czesc 
Napisz, co dokladnie zrobiles.
Po deasemblacji Alt+T *powinno* zadzialac.
Sprobuj wybrac z menu.

Czesc
robie dokladnie deasemblacje i ALT+T i nic
tylko
wypisuje w biegu seg017:0173: Can't find name <hint: use forced arg>
seg017:01AC j.w.
itd.
z wyzszymi adresami

ten co podales
seg001:62BB  nie odnajduje
..jak recznie do niego dojde to mam...
seg001:62BB    db 19h;
seg001:62BC    db 49h; I
seg001:62BD    db 6eh; n
seg001:62BE    db 76h; v
itd
pokoleji '...alid registration key!' (od adresu seg001:62BB do seg001:62D4)
kazda literka jest w innej linii
ale ALT+T tego nie znajduje...


pozdrowienia
ALbi

ps. Wielkie dzieki p10TR ze sie tym zaiteresowales
    masz piwko u mnie!



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On 2 Mar 00, at 8:29, JERZY GROCHOWSKI wrote:

> Gdzie np w CD Creatorze czy Burning romie instaluje sie sterowniki?
> Gdzie moge znalezc jakies informacje techniczne o budowie CDrom=F3w ( w ciagu
> roku padly mi 3!!!). intryguja mnie przyczyny (napiecia w porzadku). Ktos
> twierdzil, ze podobno jest jakis wirus kt=F3ry miesza w BOSie CDka .
> prosze o informacje i adresy. (jajas lista, strona,publikacja)?
> 
> Przepraszam za of topic
> Jurek

O wirusie takim nie slyszalem i watpie by istnial, a firmware 
zmienilem sam :) (Philips 3610). Jak moja nagrywarka przestala 
nagrywac poprawnie plytki to rozebralem ja wyczyscilem laserek i 
jak narazie jest ok ;), poprostu kurz na laserze nie sluzy 
nagrywarce. Warto zajrzec na jakas oficjalna lub nieoficjalna strone 
twojej maszynki.
To sprawdz koniecznie !!!!
http://www.cdrsoft.net 
jest tu MASA softu i troche linkow

Pozdr
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"[riffraff]" <xo-@friko3.onet.pl> wrote: 
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> hi
> 
> DriverStudio 1.5
> SoftICE DriverSuite 1.5 
> SoftICE 4.05 Win9x
> SoftICE 4.05 WinNT
> mam u siebie na dysku
> jak cie to interesi
[ciach]

> [r!FFraFF]  xor@poczta.onet.pl
> 


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On 2 Mar 00, at 8:29, JERZY GROCHOWSKI wrote:

> Gdzie np w CD Creatorze czy Burning romie instaluje sie sterowniki?
> Gdzie moge znalezc jakies informacje techniczne o budowie CDrom=F3w ( w
ciagu
> roku padly mi 3!!!). intryguja mnie przyczyny (napiecia w porzadku). Ktos
> twierdzil, ze podobno jest jakis wirus kt=F3ry miesza w BOSie CDka .
> prosze o informacje i adresy. (jajas lista, strona,publikacja)?
> 
> Przepraszam za of topic
> Jurek

Mam Yamaha 426 moglem tylko x2 i tak walila mi plytki. Zrobilem firmware
upgrate i problem zniknal.
Teraz nagrywam x4 i ani jednej zniszczonej.
Staszek.

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>pocket linux rw?
drivery linuxowe sa read and write, przy czym still beta.
dosowe - readonly.
co zas do pytania, to zrobilem to na nt tak:
odpalilem dyskietke z Win98 i uruchomilem
ntfsdos.exe (jakby ktos chcial to moge na priva
podeslac, ale jest to sciagalne tez z netu).
i teraz biegasz po podkatalogach Windowsa
- sciagnij sobie pliki z SAM w nazwie
- u mnie wbrew temu co pisze Kurruppt2k
w 2600 16:4 - nie byl to sam._ a
plik z rozszerzeniem .sam. A najpewniej znajdziesz
go albo w repair/backup, albo w podkatalogu
Admina w profiles. Skopiuj sobie po prostu
wszystkie interesujace - nie beda dlugie
ponizej 10kb sztuka.
Dobra masz plik z haslami - mozesz zresetowac 
kompa i polaczyc sie z Siecia by sciagnac
samdump, ktory zamieni Ci ten smietnik
na cos strawnego. Ale l0pht crack
chyba sobie tez sam poradzi. 
Zebys sie zbytnio nie meczyl z brute-force
to popros admina, by cos Ci tam zmienil na
kompie - bedziesz wiedzial albo ile 
mniej wiecej jest znakow, albo jakie znaki
klepal (alfa, liczby, nawiasy, itd.)
Moje bylo losowe i poszlo po 15 minutach
l0pht na p][
YggLir



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Hi...


Jest pewien gosc Rafal (rfk@poczta.onet.pl), ktory do swojej pracy mgr....
che przeprowadzic ankiete na naszej liscie.., mysle, ze nikomu to nie
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na priv.. Rafala, a kazdy kto nie ma ochoty to to zignoruje.

Wiec zapowiadam takowy post... , i jak komus sie cos niepdoba lub ma jakies
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chce zadnych komentarzy..... spam etc.... ankieta -> priv i kazdy wie o co
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Pozdrowka jak zwykle

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Witajcie towarzysze

sorry, za off-topic, ale nie wiem gdzie mam szukac... wlasnie czy ktos
cos wie o stawianiu botow na irc'u ? wiem, ze trzeba miec shell'a - to
juz mam, ale co dalej ???

pozdrawiam
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> Czolem !
aloha...

> Jestem nowy na tej grupie.I jak kazdy nowy mam probelmy( kto ich nie ma ? )
> Wpadl mi w reke pakiet AHM ddo Delphi 2.0.Sporo ciekawych komponetow.
> I tak gdy sie je umiesci na formie to pokazuje komunikat o zarejestrowaniu tego 
> pakietu.
> Odkrylem jescze to gdy przestawie zegar sysemu na rok 1996 to komunikatu 
> tego nie mam.
> Jak moge sie do tego zabrac ?
ergh... mam juz pewne doswiadczenie w lamaniu komponentow... masz moze
wersje dla delphi4?? jezeli tak, to powies ja gdzies, rzuc linkiem i
zobaczymy co sie da zrobic...

> Przykladowy plik moge wyslac na priv lub adres grupy.
nie chce exe... daj mi paczke komponentow ;)


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>Witajcie towarzysze
>
>sorry, za off-topic, ale nie wiem gdzie mam szukac... wlasnie czy ktos
>cos wie o stawianiu botow na irc'u ? wiem, ze trzeba miec shell'a - to
>juz mam, ale co dalej ???

potem puszczas screena ;)

program "screen" :)

wylogujesz sie, a sesja irc zostanie... ;)

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On Fri, 3 Mar 2000, johny666 wrote:

> Witajcie towarzysze
> 
> sorry, za off-topic, ale nie wiem gdzie mam szukac... wlasnie czy ktos
> cos wie o stawianiu botow na irc'u ? wiem, ze trzeba miec shell'a - to
> juz mam, ale co dalej ???
> 
> pozdrawiam
> Johny666
> 
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Czy wie kto=B6 o dobrym dekompilatorze C++
no i z sk=B1d go sci=B1gn=B1=E6 ?


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Witam!

4 marca 2000, o 15:01, MaxiBogas zezna=B3(a):

> potem puszczas screena ;)

> program "screen" :)

> wylogujesz sie, a sesja irc zostanie... ;)

heh.... i to nie jest bot.... :)
to jest klon.... wyposa=BFaj=B1c klienta w r=F3=BFne skrypty mo=BFna go upodobni=E6 do
bot'a...., ale to jeszcze nie bot.... bot to osobny program. Nie potrzeba
=BFadnego screena.... wystarczy skonfigurowa=E6 i odpali=E6....
Najpopularniejszym botem jest Eggdrop.... nie wiem sk=B1d go =B6ci=B1gn=B1=E6....,
ale wpisz w jakiej kolwiek wyszukiwarce eggdrop, a na pewno go
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Cze=B6=E6 Cobra!

W swojej wiadomo=B6ci napisa=B3e(a)=B6:

>> 
>> Jest jeszcze jedna metoda, mo=BFesz u=BFy=E6 programiku KillCmos, odpalasz
>> go z dyskietki i przywraca on ustawienia fabryczne Biosa, jak nie
>> znajdziesz, to poszukam u siebie, mo=BFe go jeszcze mam.
>> Pozdrawiam
>>  Bag
>> 

> UWAGA! KillCmos to jest Trojan - moj antywirus nie pozwala go uruchomic a gdzies
> tez o tym czytalem.

Dzi=EAki za info, nie wiedzia=B3em o tym, jednak m=F3j znajomy poradzi=B3
sobie z biosem w ten spos=F3b. Zreszt=B1 od niego posiadam ten programik.
Zaraz go sprawdz=EA.


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Czesc

Zdaje sie, ze to mnie przypadl zaszczyt wyciagniecia na
swiatlo dzienne fragmentow nieoficjalnych stenogramow z
kolejnego, jakze owocnego spotkania w Crackowie. Spotkania
ponad podzialami poniewaz obecny byl takze kwiat grupy
CookieCrk, czyli Coxoc, Beanus oraz Oxcart.
Tym razem klub Nurt przyjal w swoje chlodne i glosne trzewia
znacznie wiecej przedstawicieli Rajcownego Rzemiosla.
Zjechali sie ludzie z: Warszawy, Wroclawia, Starego Sacza,
Rzeszowa, Bytomia, Oswiecimia, Skawiny.
Zaczelo sie w poludnie; na miejscu zastalem juz popijajacego
piwo Gustawa (czyli wszedl w CALLa z niewyzerowanym ECX :)
Obok lezal nonszalancko rzucony pckurier - to dla tych,
ktorzy nie spotkali sie wczesniej w 'real life'. Wkrotce
zjawil sie Kevin i tato, a za nimi... badacz zwyczajow
ginacych gatunkow. Sprawnie zainstalowal sie ze swoim
sprzetem (dyktafon, sztuk jeden), a piekna mloda dama,
niestety, juz scrackowana przez obecnego takze Beanusa,
korzystajac z naszej nieuwagi, wyciagnela aparat Zorke 5 i
zrobila kilka zdjec. Nim sie spostrzeglismy, kazdy z nas
mial po dwa ujecia: jedno an face, drugi z profilu.
Coz bylo robic? Wpierw naczialstwo rzucilo do mikrofonu
pare, stosownych na taka okolicznosc, uwag natury
prawno-moralnej. Pozniej kazdy jeszcze dorzucil swoje 3
grosze, wiec mysle, ze prokurator bedzie mial pelne rece
roboty. Nie mielismy przeciez ze soba SB Live
(znieksztalcenie glosu!), wiec wszystko poszlo na tasme 'na
czysto'.
Z uwagi na to, ze przybylo nas calkiem sporo, to zeby usiasc
wygodnie, musielismy zrobic w Nurcie maly Rebuild struktury
stolow i law.
Minelo pare piw, w dyktafonie skoniczyla sie tasma, mozna
wiec juz bylo porozmawiac o *prawdziwym* crakckingu.
Minelo nastepne piwo i trzeba bylo pozegnac Beanusa i jego
lepsza polowe.
Obslugiwaly nas 3 kelnerki, z ktorych kazda Nadol chcial
zrzucic na twardego. A wracajac do tematu: zaczely sie
dyskusje w podgrupach: Coxoc zdradzil swoje plany dotyczace
przejmowania odwolan oraz podstawiania pozadanych wartosci
do portow, a Gustaw, z tajemnicza mina stwierdzil, ze
niedlugo ukaze sie jego nowe crackme, w ktorym da nam
popalic. Czyzby calkiem nowe ADT? Zobaczymy.
Zastanawiam sie, jak to wszystko wygladalo dla reszty gosci
Nurtu, tej spoza branzy. No wyobrazcie sobie: siedzi
grupa podpitych dzentelmenow i zamiast o Mercach, dlugonogich
laskach i dupczeniu w ogolnosci (no, chyba, ze mowa o Zuzi),
slychac od nich:
 - SICE!
 - Ring 0!
 - hmemcpy!
 - MOV EDX,[EBP-31]

Hmmm...  Chyba cos z nami nie tak. Jestesmy inni!
Notabene, w pewnym momencie zrobilo sie w Nurcie lyso:
weszlo paru skinow, a ci jak wiadomo nie lubia odmiencow.
Ale rozejrzeli sie tylko, czy nie ma jakiegos "zyda albo
innego asfalta" i wyszli. Nas, chuderlakow przeciez,
zostawili w spokoju.
Okolo godziny 18 (a moze 17 albo 19, trudno stwierdzic:
wszyscy mielismy wlaczone SoftICE, a wiadomo co sie wtedy
dzieje z zegarem) zobaczylismy jak do sali wszedl jakis
koszykarz i droga eliminacji wybral wlasciwe, czyli nasze
zgrupowanie. Tym dryblasem byl nie kto inny, jak sam Zomo.
Powitalismy go z honorami, a on czym predzej wyjasnial
powody swojego zbyt rzadkiego i bezposredniego udzialu w
dzialalnosci CrackPL. Zomo studiuje, ale caly czas jest i
czuwa nad nami. Powodzenia! Quick sort rulez! :)
Poniewaz siedzielismy juz w Nurcie od jakich 8 godzin,
postanowilismy wyjsc na miasto i cos zjesc.
Na rynku bylo zimno jak cholera. Kevin pobiegl do Sukiennic
kupowac pamiatki, a Nadol nabil i zapalil swoja
zmyslna srubke :) Z trudem zebralismy nasze mysli w jeden thread
i zapadla decyzja: idziemy do pizzerii. Po drodze tato odbil
w strone PKP, na kuszetki do Bytomia.
A w pizzerii, jak to w pizzerii - podawali pizze ;-)
Oxcart byl taki glodny, ze najpierw wypil ketchup, nastepnie
w ciagu 2 minut pochlonal cala pizze. Potem pobiegl do
Skawiny. Gustaw walczyl ze swoja polowka pizzy ze 2
kwadranse, cala wine zwalajac na tepy noz... W ogole jego
zegar systemowy ulegl powaznemu zwolnieniu, gdzies o jakies
100 MHz. Nie ma sie co dziwic: na poczatku wspominalem o ECX
!= 0 w jego przypadku:) Dobrze, ze sobie kupil niedawno PIII
450, no bo widzial ktos procka taktowanego -10 MHz ;-)
Po wyjsciu z pizzerii, Kevin jeszcze raz pobiegl w sprawie
pamiatek, ale bylo juz zamkniete, wiec skorzystal z Bhramy.
To nic, ze kamienicy za 20 mln $...
Byly plany uderzenia na Swiniarnie. Tak, jak sama nazwa
wskazuje, to taka knajpa, gdzie w karcie dan stoi jako danie
glowne 'Danie w Morde'. Ale maja tam Internet!
Tutaj musze oddac glos komus-kto-cos-jeszcze-rejestrowal,
poniewaz, ku niemalej uciesze innych, to mnie z kolei wezwaly
obowiazki, tym razem malzenskie.

Wielcy nieobecni: Smola, Devon i Rafal Platek. Moze
nastepnym razem...
Ci co nie byli - niech zaluja, bo ci, ktorzy byli - beda
wspominac jeszcze dlugo :)

zdrowko

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taaa ...
p10TR bardzo bobrze oddal klimat tego co sie dzialo w Crackowie, no moze troszke przesadzil z tymi moimi wybrykami a moze nie, tak to konca nie jestem pewien czy tam bylem czy tylko zasnelem nad kompem z wysilku jaki wymaga wpatrywanie sie w rejestry  i takie tam pierduly...

Ale pozniej to bylo tak ...

Gdzies szlismy i szlismy i nagle siedze w taxie a Kevin mowi " Na miasteczko" drajwer troche nie doslyszal a moze to my juz tak bardzo modulowalismy mowe (bez uzycia SB Live!) w kazdym razie po jakims czasie zrozumial ze chodzi o akademiki i zawiozl nas tam za jedyne 10 zlociszy. Po zrzutce (chodzi o forse) zaplacilismy taksiarzowi i stanelismy na progu akademika. Przywitala nas mila pani z ktora Kevin zaczal pertraktowac zeby nas wpuscila, ze niby jestesmy najblizsza rodzina i takie tam ... bardzo mila pani sie zgodzila i po uiszczeniu oplaty w wyskokosci 3 zl i okazaniu dowotow tozsamosci zaczelismy pokonywac kolejne schody aby dojs prawie na dach. W pokoju sie rozkulbaczylismy i bez zbednego balastu wyruszulismy do oslawionej Swiniarni. Po drodze widzielismy rozne dziwy (takie cuda) ale zbytnio nie zwalniajac zeszlismy poziom nizej i po ponownym wylegitymowaniu sie lysym pala (czytaj bramkarz) bylismy w klubie. Tu przycinala muzyczka w rytmie dress-dysko ale w porownaniu z warunkami na zewnatrz bylo cieplo, no moze troszke smierdzaco ale nie zrazeni tym parlismy na przod. Minelismy bar i dziwnie przygladajacych sie nam tubylcow i wkroczylismy do mniejszej salki z kompami. Tutej panowalo wieksze skupienie, w oddali przygrywala muza a na pierszym planie stukot klawiator z klikiem. Zasiadlismy przy 2 losowo wybranych blaszakach i zapuscilismy irc'a. podzielilismy sie tak ze bylo 2 operatorow i 2 kibicow. Kibice troszke wypadli juz z formy, szczegolnie chcialbym tu podkreslic role Gustawa ktory walczyl jak lew z ostatnim piwem tego juz nowego dnia. Na ircu ku mojemu zdziwieniu byla prawie cisza jak pozniej ustalilismy droga glosowania inni tez sie dobrze bawili. Moj komp zaliczyl kilka zwisow ale nie pomoglo mi to w pertraktacji nizszej ceny, nie robiac wiekszej afery czym predzej opuscilismy lokal i udalismy sie na zaslurzony wypoczunek. W miedzyczasie Kevinowi udalo sie po raz pierwszy w jego karierze wyjsc z tego klubu ze szklanka (niepelna) piwa i nie dosatac po fejsie. Znowu idziemy i ogladamy jak sie inni ba
wia. I znow schody. I perswazja cobysmy spali wszyscy razem a nie jak Kevin wymyslil dokooptowani do innych. Musialem wyslac Kevina po napoje bo zemna pani na recepcji nie chciala gadac. Z Gustawem zajelismy miejsca lezaco-podlogowe i po jakims czasie marudzenia zachrapalismy zdrowo. Przez sen przebijaly sie echa libacji, morobic i mordopic. Ok 9 sie obudzilismy i po poprawieniu garderoby, przeplukaniu gardla i dopiciu resztek przezornie zakupionych plynow (coca-cola) ruszylismy szukac sklepu aby sie pokrzepic. 1 strzal - sklep zamkniety, 2 strzal - dziala, Gustaw i Kevin kupauja dla nas browary. Kulturalnie i z namaszczeniem wypijamy je przed sklepem (nie jestesmy tu sami). Po rozgorzalej wymianie zdan zdecydowalismy sie na urzycie tutejszego srodka lokomocji typu niebieski autobus i po odstaniu swojego na ostanowce i wylewnym porzegnaniu sie z Kevinem zaku(pilismy) bilety u kierowcy i ruszylismy na dworzec juz w w skaldzie czy osobowym. Po drodze podziwialismy zabytki a Gustaw nam o nich opowiadal ze szczegolnym uwzglednieniem gmachu polibudy. Dotarlismy na dworzec i po rozszyfrowaniu rozkaldu jazdy i zakupieniu biletow w ilosci 1 ruszylismy na miasto. Odwiedziny w slawetnej restauracji makdonald postawily nas na nogach. Teraz szukalem bankomatu i znalazlem na rynku. Sciana placzu wybecelowala mi kesz  i po pobierznym zwiedzaniu zabytkow bylismy gotowi wracac na dworzec, zreszta pogoda sama nas wymiotla z rynku zasypujac sniegiem. I znowu deszyfracja rozkladu jazdy kupienie biletu, szybki fajek i ustalenia kto kiedy jedzie. Wypadlo na mnie wiec chlopaki odprowadzili mnie na peron i czule porzegnali.

NaDoL

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Jak sam subject wskazuje prosze o niewielkie ograniczenie mojej entropii
przez swiatlych grupowiczow.

1.natknalem sie na problem z zapisem do pliku. piszac w C chcialem
otworzyc w trybie binarnym, do odczytu i zapisu jednoczesnie, plik *.dll
- jak sie okazalo moglem go otworzyc jedynie do odczytu, przy probie
otwarcia do zapisu wogole sie nie otwieral. Co jest  ??? Plik nie byl
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2. W jaki sposob mozna wykorzystac do crackowania informacje, uzyskane z
Resource Hacker?

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Czesc !

wiem ze moze to pytanie bardziej na ASMPL (tylko tam jest troche pusto)
mam pytanko na temat szkieletu programu:
w win32 wyglada tak:

  .386                                     ; tu moze byc jeszcze
.386p/.486/.486p
  .MODEL Flat, STDCALL  ; Flat organizuje pamiec ale po co jest STDCALL
  .DATA
      <inicializacja danych>
      ......
  .DATA?
     <tego nie rozumiem ??????? do czego toto jest>
     ......
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     <zmienne stale>
     ......
  .CODE
     <label>
      <wlasciwy kod programu>
      .....
     end <label>

moze pytanie jest glupie, ale pisze texcik na temat ASM i Win32 i chce to
tam jakos
wytlumaczyc.

pozdrowienia
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Spotkal sie ktos z dekompilatorem do VC ?

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On Mon, 6 Mar 2000, inv4der wrote:

> zna ktos jakas ksiazke o API
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> 
pieterka ..pdf
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Hello mkol,

Monday, March 06, 2000, 1:17:13 PM, you wrote:

m>   Hello Leo Balthur,

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Sorrki za to pytanie:

Nie wiecie przypadkiem skad mozna downloadnac SoftIce'a
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Panowie do dziela ;)
Pojawila sie w kioskach gazetka z Windows 2000 Prof. wersja 120 dniowa. Ta
gazetka to PC World Computer special. No trzeba jakos triala ubic ;)

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Profilaktyki Spo=B3ecznej i Resocjalizacji Uniwersytetu Warszawskiego. Wyniki
niniejszej ankiety maja mi pom=F3c w napisaniu pracy magisterskiej na temat
anomicznych zachowa=F1 spo=B3eczno=B6ci internaut=F3w. Jest to bezimienna ankieta
dla cz=B3onk=F3w grupy CrackPL, kt=F3rej wyniki s=B3u=BFy=E6 b=EAd=B1 jedynie do zestawie=F1
liczbowych. Prosz=EA o szczere odpowiedzi na ka=BFde z poni=BFszych pyta=F1.


1. Od jak dawna regularnie korzystasz z Internetu?
a. kr=F3cej ni=BF od roku
b. od roku do dw=F3ch lat
c. od dw=F3ch do trzech lat
d. powy=BFej trzech lat

2. Od jak dawna zajmujesz si=EA 'crackowaniem' program=F3w?
a. kr=F3cej ni=BF od p=F3=B3 roku
b. od p=F3=B3 roku do roku
c. od roku do dw=F3ch lat
d. od dw=F3ch do trzech lat
e. powy=BFej trzech lat

3. Czy opr=F3cz grupy CrackPL czerpiesz wiedz=EA 'crackersk=B1' z innych =BCr=F3de=B3?
(je=B6li jest to te=BF internet, podaj adresy stron www)
a. _______________________________
b. _______________________________
c. _______________________________
d. _______________________________
e. _______________________________

4. Mniej-wi=EAcej ile post=F3w wysy=B3asz na grupy CrackPL (Forum i Stuff)? Podaj
orientacyjn=B1 liczb=EA: _______

5. Czy masz sw=F3j komputer?
a. tak
b. nie - jesli nie, przejdz do pytania nr. 8

6. Jakiego systemu operacyjnego u=BFywasz na swoim komputerze?
a. MS Windows 3.xx
b. MS Windows 95/98
c. MS Windows NT
d. Linux - jaka dystrybucja? ____________________
e. OS/2
f. Inny, jaki? _______________________________

7. Do kt=F3rej z klas zaliczy=B3by=B6 sw=F3j komputer?
a. 486
b. Pentium
c. Pentium II
d. Pentium III
e. Inny, jaki? ________________________________

8. Gdzie u=BFywasz komputera? Zaznacz wszystkie w=B3a=B6ciwe.
a. w domu
b. w szkole
c. w pracy
d. w kawiarniach internetowych
e. w innych miejscach, jakich? __________________

9. Jakich program=F3w najcz=EA=B6ciej u=BFywasz do crackowania?
a. _______________________________
b. _______________________________
c. _______________________________
d. _______________________________

10. Sk=B1d posiadasz te programy? Zaznacz wszystkie w=B3a=B6ciwe.
a. =B6ci=B1gn=B1=B3em je z Internetu
b. od kolegi
c. z p=B3yt do=B3=B1czonych do pism komputerowych
d. kupi=B3em
e. inne =BCr=F3d=B3a, jakie? _________________________

11. Dlaczego zajmujesz si=EA crackowaniem? Zaznacz wszystkie mo=BFliwe
odpowiedzi.
a. =B3amanie zabezpiecze=F1 sprawia mi przyjemno=B6=E6
b. potrzebne mi s=B1 w pe=B3ni dzia=B3aj=B1ce wersje program=F3w
c. zabezpieczenia s=B1 dla mnie wyzwaniem
d. bo nie mam nic innego do roboty
e. inne powody, jakie?
__________________________________________


12. Ile program=F3w orientacyjnie do tej pory 'scracowa=B3e=B6'? Podaj liczb=EA:
________________

13. Czy kiedykolwiek dzi=EAki crackowaniu zarobi=B3e=B6 jakie=B6 pieni=B1dze?
a. tak
b. nie

14. Jaki procent 'scrackowanych' program=F3w regularnie u=BFywasz?
a. 0-5 %
b. 6 - 20 %
c. 21 - 50 %
d. 51 - 75 %
e. prawie wszystkich

15. W jakich innych wymienionych formach wykorzystania Internetu masz
do=B6wiadczenie? Zaznacz wszystkie w=B3a=B6ciwe.
- hacking
- carding
- sniffing
- spoofing
- phreaking
- pisanie bomb i koni troja=F1skich
- inne, jakie? ______________________

16. Czy uwa=BFasz, =BFe obowi=B1zuj=B1cych w Polsce ustaw nale=BFy przestrzega=E6?
a. tak
b. nie
c. nie zawsze, a kiedy nie trzeba? ______________________

17. Czy Twoim zdaniem =B6ci=B1gni=EAcie ki=B6ci winogron ze straganu to kradzie=BF?
a. tak
b. nie

18. Czy Twoim zdaniem autor programu w wersji testowej, oferowanego w
sprzeda=BFy ma prawo do zysku?
a. tak
b. nie
c. nie wiem

19. Czy Twoim zdaniem prawo chroni w=B3a=B6cicieli program=F3w?
a. tak
b. nie
c. nie wiem

20. Czy wydaje Ci si=EA, =BFe zajmuj=B1c si=EA crackowaniem =B3amiesz w jaki=B6 spos=F3b
prawo?
a. tak
je=B6li tak, to czy cracker =B3amie przepisy prawa:
- karnego
- cywilnego
- innego, jakiego?____________________________
b. nie
c. nie wiem

21. Czy Twoim zdaniem Policja zbiera informacje o crackerach?
a. tak
b. nie
c. nie wiem

22. Czy Twoim zdaniem Policja ma prawo po namierzeniu crackera wpa=B6=E6 do jego
domu i zarekwirowa=E6 mu komputer?
a. tak
b. nie
c. nie wiem

23. Czy w spo=B3eczno=B6ci cracker=F3w obowi=B1zuj=B1 jakie=B6 zasady?
a. tak
je=B6li tak, to wymie=F1 najwa=BFniejsze:
___________________________________________
b. nie
c. nie wiem

24. Czy uwa=BFasz, =BFe powinno si=EA udost=EApnia=E6 w Internecie cracki do program=F3w
polskich?
a. tak
b. nie
c. nie do wszystkich
je=B6li nie do wszystkich to do kt=F3rych nie?
______________________________________________________
dlaczego?
______________________________________________________
d. nie wiem

25. Jak my=B6lisz, co musia=B3oby si=EA sta=E6, =BFeby=B6 przesta=B3/a crackowa=E6? :-)
______________________________________________________



26. P=B3e=E6: m=EAska / =BFe=F1ska

27. Podaj wiek w latach: _______

28. Miejsce zamieszkania. Podaj tylko nazw=EA miasta lub wsi (z zaznaczeniem,
w okolicach kt=F3rego miasta si=EA mie=B6ci)
_______________________

29. Wykszta=B3cenie:
a. niepe=B3ne podstawowe
b. podstawowe
c. zawodowe niepe=B3ne
d. zawodowe
e. =B6rednie niepe=B3ne
f. =B6rednie
g. wy=BFsze niepe=B3ne (student, licencjat, absolwent szko=B3y pomaturalnej)
h. wy=BFsze

30. Je=B6li si=EA ju=BF nie uczysz, podaj sw=F3j zaw=F3d: ______________

31. Czy poza 'dzia=B3alno=B6ci=B1 crackersk=B1' interesuje Ci=EA co=B6 jeszcze? Je=B6li
tak, wymie=F1 nie wi=EAcej ni=BF trzy:
a. _______________________________
b. _______________________________
c. _______________________________

32. Jak oceniasz status maj=B1tkowy swojej rodziny?
a. bardzo dobry
b. zadowalaj=B1cy
c. lepszy ni=BF przeci=EAtny
d. =B6redni
e. gorszy ni=BF przeci=EAtny
f. niezadowalaj=B1cy
g. fatalny

33. Jaki jest Tw=F3j stosunek do religii?
a. wierz=B1cy praktykuj=B1cy
b. wierz=B1cy rzadko praktykuj=B1cy
c. wierz=B1cy niepraktykuj=B1cy
d. niewierz=B1cy

Tw=F3j komentarz do ankiety lub uwagi dodatkowe:
______________________________________________



Serdecznie dzi=EAkuj=EA za wype=B3nienie ankiety!

Rafa=B3 Kudriawcew
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Czesc!

Dzieki za wprowadzenie, Gustaw.

Jak juz wiecie chodzi o moja prace magisterska.
Ankieta jest skierowana do wszystkich - aktywnych i biernych czlonkow grupy
CrackPL. Od tego, jak wiele osob odpowie na moja prosbe zalezy rzetelnosc i
wiarygodnosc wynikow badania. Dlatego bardzo Was prosze - poswieccie na nia
te pare minut - wyniki zaraz po opracowaniu udostepnione beda na lamach
grupy, wiec i Wy dowiecie sie 'z kim sie zadajecie' :-)
Chcialbym wszystkich serdecznie prosic o wypelnienie CALEJ ankiety i
przeslanie jej do mnie.

Jaka jest technika udzielania odpowiedzi?
Bardzo prosze o pozostawianie tylko Twojej odpowiedzi, np.

1. Od jak dawna regularnie korzystasz z Internetu?
d. powy=BFej trzech lat

A w miejsca, w ktorych sa kreski (np. takie __________ :-) prosze wpisywac
to, co Wam tylko do glowy na ten temat przyjdzie.

Jeszcze raz pragne Was zapewnic, ze Wasze odpowiedzi beda objete tajemnica
badania naukowego i nikt nie bedzie mial do nich dostepu - oprocz mnie ;-)
Wyniki badania opublikowane beda w mojej pracy magisterskiej, pisanej pod
patronatem prof. Andrzeja Rzepili=F1skiego w Instytutcie Profilaktyki
Spo=B3ecznej i Resocjalizacji Uniwersytetu Warszawskiego.

Wybaczcie, ze tak dlugo. Juz koncze. Prosze jeszcze tylko o w miare szybkie
odpowiedzi. Chcialbym sie jeszcze w czerwcu obronic :-)

Dziekuje z gory i pozdrawiam serdecznie,

Rafal
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  "Przed poznanskim sadem rejonowym rozpoczela sie pierwsza w Polsce
  sprawa o ujawnienie tajemnicy panstwowej w Internecie.
  Sledztwo prowadzila poznanska delegtura UOP.
  Prokurator w akcie oskarzenia zarzuca dwom krotkofalowcom
  zlamanie tajemnicy panstwowej.
  Oskarzeni Artur Sz. i Dominik G.umiescili na swych stronach w Internecie
  czestotliwosci,na ktorych pracuje UOP.
  Zgodnie z prawem dane te sa tajne.
  Oskarzonym grozi od 3 miesiecy do 5 lat pozbawienia wolnosci.
  Rozprawe odroczono do kwietnia.
  Sprawa jest zamknieta dla prasy"
                                          Telegazeta za IAR

 Jako ciekawostke chce dopisac , ze _zaden_ artykul kodeksu karnego nie
 zawiera
 pojecia takiego jak tajne czestotliwosci . W Polsce nasluch wszelkich
 czestotliwosci ,czy to ich kolportowanie nie jest karalne , jedynie mozna
 ukarac za  uzyskane z tych nasluchow informacje  i ich rozpowszechnianie.A
 kodowaniem czestotliwosci i ich dostepem niech trudnia  sie zainteresowane
 sluzby. Jezeli podaja je otwartym tekstem bez kodowania i mozna to sluchac
 na radiach,  ktore kazdy moze legalnie nabyc za okolo 500zl,  to naprawde
 sprawa
 zainteresowanych. Jezeli beda zainteresowani dalszym ciagiem tej sprawy,
 prosze napisac . Jako ciekawostke  moge podac ze istnieja strony www .
gdzie
 na "zywo" mozna sluchac czestotliwosci policji amerykanskiej , jakos nikt
 nie robi z tego problemu .Sam uczestnicze w takiej liscie dyskusyjnej,
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 takie czestotliwosci , i  jak nagle znikne z list dyskusyjnych , to bedzie
 wiadomo dlaczego ,ewentualny adres gdzie przysylac cebulke i oszczypki
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Cze Grupa,
Czy ktos moze probowal usunac trial ( 30 dni )
w takim progu jak Freedom.
http://www.freedom.net/download/index.html
prog wazy cos ok. 1 MB
Jeszcze takiego progu nie widzialem :-0
Czy wogole jest mozliwe go rozwalic ?
Jak sie do niego dobrac ? :-(
Jezeli komus cos wiadomo na ten temat to prosze
o jakies info na grupe lub na priv.
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inv4der wrote:

> zna ktos jakas ksiazke o API
>

Charles Petzold "Win32 API"

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On Mon, 6 Mar 2000, ALbi wrote:

> Czesc !
> 
> wiem ze moze to pytanie bardziej na ASMPL (tylko tam jest troche pusto)
> mam pytanko na temat szkieletu programu:
> w win32 wyglada tak:
> 
>   .386                                     ; tu moze byc jeszcze
> .386p/.486/.486p
>   .MODEL Flat, STDCALL  ; Flat organizuje pamiec ale po co jest STDCALL

	STDCALL - mysle ze to okresla sposob odwolan do DLLow w ktorych sa
API ... czyli jest to powiazane z exportowaniem API do programu czyli 

		EXTRN <nazwaAPI> : PROC

	ale nie jestem pewien do konca ...
	

>   .DATA
>       <inicializacja danych>
>       ......
>   .DATA?
>      <tego nie rozumiem ??????? do czego toto jest>
>      ......

	ale co tu rozumiec jest to nastepmy segment z danymi/kodem ...
jeszcze jest duzo tego np. 
	.STACK  - stos
	.FARDATA <etykieta> - nastepny segment z danymi
	i chyba jeszcze pare innych ... w szczegoly nie wnikalem 


>   .CONST
>      <zmienne stale>
>      ......

	Prawde mowiac to ten .CONST jest zbedny gdyz przeciez jak chcesz 
ustawic jakas wartosc stala to piszesz np.

		zmienna_stala	EQU wartosc

	w dowolnym miejscu ... Prawde mowiac nigdy tego CONST nie uzywalem

>   .CODE
>      <label>
>       <wlasciwy kod programu>
>       .....
>      end <label>

W segmencie CODE mozna jeszcze zastosowac taka oto skladnie :

	.CODE
	.STARTUP
	<wlasciwy kod programu>
	END

I teraz program bedzie zaczynal sie od STARTUPu :)))	

> 
> moze pytanie jest glupie, ale pisze texcik na temat ASM i Win32 i chce to
> tam jakos
> wytlumaczyc.

	raczej chcesz sam zrozumiec :)) ... a przy okazji walnac jakis
tekscik na ten temat :)))

> 
> pozdrowienia
> ALbi

Pozrd
CoxoC



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Witajcie towarzyszu Liar,

> heh.... i to nie jest bot.... :)
> to jest klon.... wyposa=BFaj=B9c klienta w r=F3=BFne skrypty mo=BFna go upodobni=E6 do
> bot'a...., ale to jeszcze nie bot.... bot to osobny program. Nie potrzeba
> =BFadnego screena.... wystarczy skonfigurowa=E6 i odpali=E6....
> Najpopularniejszym botem jest Eggdrop.... nie wiem sk=B9d go =B6ci=B9gn=B9=E6....,
> ale wpisz w jakiej kolwiek wyszukiwarce eggdrop, a na pewno go
> znajdzie.....

btw: mozna to jakos namierzyc ? czy bedzie widac, ze to jest bocik ?
jak mozna go oprgoramowac ? jakies szczegoly ? :)

pozdrawiam
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R> 1. Od jak dawna regularnie korzystasz z Internetu?
R> c. od dw=F3ch do trzech lat

R> 2. Od jak dawna zajmujesz si=EA 'crackowaniem' program=F3w?
R> e. powy=BFej trzech lat

R> 3. Czy opr=F3cz grupy CrackPL czerpiesz wiedz=EA 'crackersk=B1' z innych =BCr=F3de=B3?
R> (je=B6li jest to te=BF internet, podaj adresy stron www)
R> a. FRAVIA
R> b. ICZELION

R> 4. Mniej-wi=EAcej ile post=F3w wysy=B3asz na grupy CrackPL (Forum i Stuff)? Podaj
R> orientacyjn=B1 liczb=EA: 10 TYGODNIOWO

R> 5. Czy masz sw=F3j komputer?
R> a. tak

R> 6. Jakiego systemu operacyjnego u=BFywasz na swoim komputerze?
R> b. MS Windows 95/98

R> 7. Do kt=F3rej z klas zaliczy=B3by=B6 sw=F3j komputer?
R> b. Pentium

R> 8. Gdzie u=BFywasz komputera? Zaznacz wszystkie w=B3a=B6ciwe.
R> a. w domu

R> 9. Jakich program=F3w najcz=EA=B6ciej u=BFywasz do crackowania?
R> a. SoftIce
R> b. WDasm
R> c. Hiew
R> d. MASM (asembler)

R> 10. Sk=B1d posiadasz te programy? Zaznacz wszystkie w=B3a=B6ciwe.
R> a. =B6ci=B1gn=B1=B3em je z Internetu

R> 11. Dlaczego zajmujesz si=EA crackowaniem? Zaznacz wszystkie mo=BFliwe
R> odpowiedzi.
R> a. =B3amanie zabezpiecze=F1 sprawia mi przyjemno=B6=E6
R> c. zabezpieczenia s=B1 dla mnie wyzwaniem
R> e. inne powody, jakie?
R> Poznaje w ten sposob "warsztat", technike i "sztuczki" stosowane
R> przez innych tworcow oprogramowania. Testuje skutecznosc
R> stosowanych zabezpieczen. Mam zamiar stworzyc wlasny schemat
R> zabezpieczenia programow: adresowany do programistow, z wyliczeniem
R> "zasad poprawnego programowania" i zaleceniami czego zdecydowanie
R> unikac, po to by ulatwic zycie ludziom piszacym zawodowo.


R> 12. Ile program=F3w orientacyjnie do tej pory 'scracowa=B3e=B6'? Podaj liczb=EA:
R> trudno powiedziec, nie licze tego ! Wiekszosci nawet nie publikuje
R> ... Ale bylo w srod nich kilka DUZYCH aplikacji, swietnie
R> zabezpieczonych (jak na mnie). Prosciej byloby oceniac ich wartosc
R> w zlotowkach ... Gdybym mial je wszystkie kupic na pewno nie mialbym
R> samochodu ;-)))

R> 13. Czy kiedykolwiek dzi=EAki crackowaniu zarobi=B3e=B6 jakie=B6 pieni=B1dze?
R> b. nie

R> 14. Jaki procent 'scrackowanych' program=F3w regularnie u=BFywasz?
R> a. 0-5 %

R> 15. W jakich innych wymienionych formach wykorzystania Internetu masz
R> do=B6wiadczenie? Zaznacz wszystkie w=B3a=B6ciwe.
R> - inne, jakie?
e-mail ????

R> 16. Czy uwa=BFasz, =BFe obowi=B1zuj=B1cych w Polsce ustaw nale=BFy przestrzega=E6?
R> c. nie zawsze, a kiedy nie trzeba? ______________________
Wtedy kiedy np. ma miejsce nieprzemyslana proba dostosowania "na sile"
obowiazujacego u nas prawa do norm zaczerpnietych (czyt. narzuconych)
z obcych nam wzorcow. Przyklad: ograniczenie szybkosci poruszania sie
pojazdem w terenie zabudowanym do 50 km/h spowodowac MUSI, wobec braku
niezbednej "przeplywowosci" zakorkowanie co wiekszych aglomeracji. Na
pierwszy rzut pojda Warszawa i aglomeracja Gornego Slaska. Tu
odleglosc miedzy miastami, a wiec miejsce gdzie zgodnie z prawem mozna
bedzie przekraczac szybkosc 50 km/h "siega" 20 m ! Mozna jechac 80 km
w jednym kierunku i nie miec szans na wyjechanie z terenu zabudowanego
! Notabene w godzinach normalnego ruchu kolowego (9_00 - 17_00)
niemozliwym jest rozpedzenie sie do takiej szybkosci. Po tym okresie
moznaby jechac szybciej, wiekszosc tych drog poprowadzono obrzezami
wielkich miast, jako obwodnice, jednak leza one w granicach
administracyjnych miast ... Nadto sa tak zdewastowane przez ciezki
tarnsport, komunikacje miejska i brak remontow, ze i tak obowiazuja
ograniczenia (czesto do 30, nawet 20 km/h). Czy to ma sens ?!

R> 17. Czy Twoim zdaniem =B6ci=B1gni=EAcie ki=B6ci winogron ze straganu to kradzie=BF?
R> a. tak

R> 18. Czy Twoim zdaniem autor programu w wersji testowej, oferowanego w
R> sprzeda=BFy ma prawo do zysku?
R> a. tak

R> 19. Czy Twoim zdaniem prawo chroni w=B3a=B6cicieli program=F3w?
R> a. tak

R> 20. Czy wydaje Ci si=EA, =BFe zajmuj=B1c si=EA crackowaniem =B3amiesz w jaki=B6 spos=F3b
R> prawo?
R> a. tak

R> je=B6li tak, to czy cracker =B3amie przepisy prawa:
R> - cywilnego

R> 21. Czy Twoim zdaniem Policja zbiera informacje o crackerach?
R> b. nie

R> 22. Czy Twoim zdaniem Policja ma prawo po namierzeniu crackera wpa=B6=E6 do jego
R> domu i zarekwirowa=E6 mu komputer?
R> b. nie

R> 23. Czy w spo=B3eczno=B6ci cracker=F3w obowi=B1zuj=B1 jakie=B6 zasady?
R> a. tak
R> je=B6li tak, to wymie=F1 najwa=BFniejsze:
Nie podpisywac swoim nickiem cudzych dokonan, nie czerpac korzysci
materialnych z "czystego" cracku.

R> 24. Czy uwa=BFasz, =BFe powinno si=EA udost=EApnia=E6 w Internecie cracki do program=F3w
R> polskich?
R> je=B6li nie do wszystkich to do kt=F3rych nie?
do tych po ktorych widac, ze z jednej strony autor rozwija mozliwosci
swoich programow, z drugiej utrzymuje cene na poziomie umozliwiajacym
icj legalny zakup. Powyzsze uwagi dotycza rowniez producentow
zagranicznych, nie widze tutaj podstaw do patriotyzmu. Programisci
dzialaja z niskich pobudek: chca zarabiac !


R> 25. Jak my=B6lisz, co musia=B3oby si=EA sta=E6, =BFeby=B6 przesta=B3/a crackowa=E6? :-)
R> ______________________________________________________
Zmiany neurologiczne, naturalne procesy starzenia, utrata wzroku,
sankcje prokuratorskie ;-)


R> 26. P=B3e=E6:
m=EAska

R> 27. Podaj wiek w latach:
41

R> 28. Miejsce zamieszkania. Podaj tylko nazw=EA miasta lub wsi (z zaznaczeniem,
R> w okolicach kt=F3rego miasta si=EA mie=B6ci)
Bytom

R> 29. Wykszta=B3cenie:
R> h. wy=BFsze

R> 30. Je=B6li si=EA ju=BF nie uczysz, podaj sw=F3j zaw=F3d:
wyuczony: technik prefabrykacji budowlanej, nauczyciel
wykonywany: handel i uslugi, prywatna firma

R> 31. Czy poza 'dzia=B3alno=B6ci=B1 crackersk=B1' interesuje Ci=EA co=B6 jeszcze? Je=B6li
R> tak, wymie=F1 nie wi=EAcej ni=BF trzy:
R> a. rodzina
R> b. literatura
R> c. sport: narty, wedkarstwo

R> 32. Jak oceniasz status maj=B1tkowy swojej rodziny?
R> d. =B6redni

R> 33. Jaki jest Tw=F3j stosunek do religii?
R> a. wierz=B1cy praktykuj=B1cy

R> Tw=F3j komentarz do ankiety lub uwagi dodatkowe:
R> ______________________________________________

Co phreaking ma wspolnego z internetem ?!

Wiekszosc poczatkujacych adeptow "art of cracking" dostrzega na
poczatku glownie walory uzytkowe takiej dzialalnosci: mozliwosc
korzystania z "mniej wiecej pelnych" wersji oprogramowania bez
koniecznosci ponoszenia "zbednych" wydatkow. Jesli wraz z nabyta
wiedza i umiejetnosciami nie bedzie sie u nich rozwijac umiejetnosc
docenienia kunsztu programistow, ktorych zabezpieczenia zwalczaja to
sa straceni ! Beda tylko "dreptac" w miejscu ...

Jesli jednak ich rozwoj pojdzie w prawidlowym kierunku to maja duuuze
szanse na to, by niedlugo sami zaczeli tworzyc dobre programy. Poznaja
przeciez dzialanie systemu na takim poziomie, ktory dla innych
programistow jest niedostepny ...



"Przemiel" wyniki tej ankiety, opatrz "slicznymi" komentarzami,
"dowal" troche troche wzorow statystycznych. I niech Cie Bog broni na
OBRONIE ;-)))

Nie bylo jakichs latwiejszych tematow ?!

Powodzenia ...


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Rafa=B3 Kudriawcew
CrackPL - ankieta, ver. 1.1

Witam!
Nazywam si=EA Rafa=B3 Kudriawcew i jestem studentem V roku Instytutu
Profilaktyki Spo=B3ecznej i Resocjalizacji Uniwersytetu Warszawskiego. Wyniki
niniejszej ankiety maja mi pom=F3c w napisaniu pracy magisterskiej na temat
anomicznych zachowa=F1 spo=B3eczno=B6ci internaut=F3w. Jest to bezimienna ankieta
dla cz=B3onk=F3w grupy CrackPL, kt=F3rej wyniki s=B3u=BFy=E6 b=EAd=B1 jedynie do zestawie=F1
liczbowych. Prosz=EA o szczere odpowiedzi na ka=BFde z poni=BFszych pyta=F1.


1. Od jak dawna regularnie korzystasz z Internetu?
a. kr=F3cej ni=BF od roku
b. od roku do dw=F3ch lat
c. od dw=F3ch do trzech lat
d. powy=BFej trzech lat

2. Od jak dawna zajmujesz si=EA 'crackowaniem' program=F3w?
a. kr=F3cej ni=BF od p=F3=B3 roku
b. od p=F3=B3 roku do roku
c. od roku do dw=F3ch lat
d. od dw=F3ch do trzech lat
e. powy=BFej trzech lat

3. Czy opr=F3cz grupy CrackPL czerpiesz wiedz=EA 'crackersk=B1' z innych =BCr=F3de=B3?
(je=B6li jest to te=BF internet, podaj adresy stron www)
a. _______________________________
b. _______________________________
c. _______________________________
d. _______________________________
e. _______________________________

4. Mniej-wi=EAcej ile post=F3w miesi=EAcznie wysy=B3asz na grupy CrackPL (Forum i
Stuff)? Podaj
orientacyjn=B1 liczb=EA: _______

5. Czy masz sw=F3j komputer?
a. tak
b. nie - jesli nie, przejdz do pytania nr. 8

6. Jakiego systemu operacyjnego u=BFywasz na swoim komputerze?
a. MS Windows 3.xx
b. MS Windows 95/98
c. MS Windows NT
d. Linux - jaka dystrybucja? ____________________
e. OS/2
f. Inny, jaki? _______________________________

7. Do kt=F3rej z klas zaliczy=B3by=B6 sw=F3j komputer?
a. 486
b. Pentium
c. Pentium II
d. Pentium III
e. Inny, jaki? ________________________________

8. Gdzie u=BFywasz komputera? Zaznacz wszystkie w=B3a=B6ciwe.
a. w domu
b. w szkole
c. w pracy
d. w kawiarniach internetowych
e. w innych miejscach, jakich? __________________

9. Jakich program=F3w najcz=EA=B6ciej u=BFywasz do crackowania?
a. _______________________________
b. _______________________________
c. _______________________________
d. _______________________________

10. Sk=B1d posiadasz te programy? Zaznacz wszystkie w=B3a=B6ciwe.
a. =B6ci=B1gn=B1=B3em je z Internetu
b. od kolegi
c. z p=B3yt do=B3=B1czonych do pism komputerowych
d. kupi=B3em
e. inne =BCr=F3d=B3a, jakie? _________________________

11. Dlaczego zajmujesz si=EA crackowaniem? Zaznacz wszystkie mo=BFliwe
odpowiedzi.
a. =B3amanie zabezpiecze=F1 sprawia mi przyjemno=B6=E6
b. potrzebne mi s=B1 w pe=B3ni dzia=B3aj=B1ce wersje program=F3w
c. zabezpieczenia s=B1 dla mnie wyzwaniem
d. bo nie mam nic innego do roboty
e. inne powody, jakie?
__________________________________________


12. Ile program=F3w orientacyjnie do tej pory 'scracowa=B3e=B6'? Podaj liczb=EA:
________________

13. Czy kiedykolwiek dzi=EAki crackowaniu zarobi=B3e=B6 jakie=B6 pieni=B1dze?
a. tak
b. nie

14. Jaki procent 'scrackowanych' program=F3w regularnie u=BFywasz?
a. 0-5 %
b. 6 - 20 %
c. 21 - 50 %
d. 51 - 75 %
e. prawie wszystkich

15. W jakich innych wymienionych formach wykorzystania Internetu masz
do=B6wiadczenie? Zaznacz wszystkie w=B3a=B6ciwe.
- hacking
- carding
- sniffing
- spoofing
- phreaking
- pisanie bomb i koni troja=F1skich
- inne, jakie? ______________________

16. Czy uwa=BFasz, =BFe obowi=B1zuj=B1cych w Polsce ustaw nale=BFy przestrzega=E6?
a. tak
b. nie
c. nie zawsze, a kiedy nie trzeba? ______________________

17. Czy Twoim zdaniem =B6ci=B1gni=EAcie ki=B6ci winogron ze straganu to kradzie=BF?
a. tak
b. nie

18. Czy Twoim zdaniem autor programu w wersji testowej/shareware,
oferowanego w sprzeda=BFy ma prawo do zysku?
a. tak
b. nie
c. nie wiem

19. Czy Twoim zdaniem prawo chroni w=B3a=B6cicieli program=F3w?
a. tak
b. nie
c. nie wiem

20. Czy wydaje Ci si=EA, =BFe zajmuj=B1c si=EA crackowaniem =B3amiesz w jaki=B6 spos=F3b
prawo?
a. tak
je=B6li tak, to czy cracker =B3amie przepisy prawa:
- karnego
- cywilnego
- innego, jakiego?____________________________
b. nie
c. nie wiem

21. Czy Twoim zdaniem Policja zbiera informacje o crackerach?
a. tak
b. nie
c. nie wiem

22. Czy Twoim zdaniem Policja ma prawo po namierzeniu crackera wpa=B6=E6 do jego
domu i zarekwirowa=E6 mu komputer?
a. tak
b. nie
c. nie wiem

23. Czy w spo=B3eczno=B6ci cracker=F3w obowi=B1zuj=B1 jakie=B6 zasady?
a. tak
je=B6li tak, to wymie=F1 najwa=BFniejsze:
___________________________________________
b. nie
c. nie wiem

24. Czy uwa=BFasz, =BFe powinno si=EA udost=EApnia=E6 w Internecie cracki do program=F3w
polskich?
a. tak
b. nie
c. nie do wszystkich
je=B6li nie do wszystkich to do kt=F3rych nie?
______________________________________________________
dlaczego?
______________________________________________________
d. nie wiem

25. Jak my=B6lisz, co musia=B3oby si=EA sta=E6, =BFeby=B6 przesta=B3/a crackowa=E6? :-)
______________________________________________________



26. P=B3e=E6: m=EAska / =BFe=F1ska

27. Podaj wiek w latach: _______

28. Miejsce zamieszkania. Podaj tylko nazw=EA miasta lub wsi (z zaznaczeniem,
w okolicach kt=F3rego miasta si=EA mie=B6ci)
_______________________

29. Wykszta=B3cenie:
a. niepe=B3ne podstawowe
b. podstawowe
c. zawodowe niepe=B3ne
d. zawodowe
e. =B6rednie niepe=B3ne
f. =B6rednie
g. wy=BFsze niepe=B3ne (student, licencjat, absolwent szko=B3y pomaturalnej)
h. wy=BFsze

30. Je=B6li si=EA ju=BF nie uczysz, podaj sw=F3j zaw=F3d: ______________

31. Czy poza 'dzia=B3alno=B6ci=B1 crackersk=B1' interesuje Ci=EA co=B6 jeszcze? Je=B6li
tak, wymie=F1 nie wi=EAcej ni=BF trzy:
a. _______________________________
b. _______________________________
c. _______________________________

32. Jak oceniasz status maj=B1tkowy swojej rodziny?
a. bardzo dobry
b. zadowalaj=B1cy
c. lepszy ni=BF przeci=EAtny
d. =B6redni
e. gorszy ni=BF przeci=EAtny
f. niezadowalaj=B1cy
g. fatalny

33. Jaki jest Tw=F3j stosunek do religii?
a. wierz=B1cy praktykuj=B1cy
b. wierz=B1cy rzadko praktykuj=B1cy
c. wierz=B1cy niepraktykuj=B1cy
d. niewierz=B1cy

Tw=F3j komentarz do ankiety lub uwagi dodatkowe:
______________________________________________



Serdecznie dzi=EAkuj=EA za wype=B3nienie ankiety!

Rafa=B3 Kudriawcew
rfk@poczta.onet.pl
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Czesc :-)

Alez mi milo! Dziekuje tym wszystkim, ktorzy juz odpowiedzieli na moje
pytania. Zwlaszcza dziekuje za wszystkie komentarze.
Wylapaliscie kilka rzeczy, ktorych nie bylem w stanie wylapac sam i daltego
zdecydowalem dla jasnosci wprowadzic kilka popraweczek.

Osoby, ktore juz wypelnily i przyslaly mi ankiete nie musza ponownie
odpowiadac :-)
Osoby, ktore do tego sie zbieraja, niech prosze skorzystaja z nowej versji
:-)

Pozdrawiam i czekam na dalsze odpowiedzi i komentarze!

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PS. I naprawde: nie bojcie sie podawac nazwy miejscowosci, w ktorej
mieszkacie - pozwoli mi to zrobic mapke Polski z rozmieszczeniem crackerow.
Ja naprawde nie jestem z prokuratury, jak mi to niektorzy insynuja po
spotkaniu w Crackowie :-)))))))))))) i nikogo nie bede scigal :-))))))




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> Panowie do dziela ;)
> Pojawila sie w kioskach gazetka z Windows 2000 Prof. wersja 120 dniowa. Ta
> gazetka to PC World Computer special. No trzeba jakos triala ubic ;)
>

*Po uplywie trialu kasowane sa niektore pliki, jakie ???
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>1. Od jak dawna regularnie korzystasz z Internetu?
>d. powy=BFej trzech lat


>2. Od jak dawna zajmujesz si=EA 'crackowaniem' program=F3w?
>e. powy=BFej trzech lat


>3. Czy opr=F3cz grupy CrackPL czerpiesz wiedz=EA 'crackersk=B1' z innych =BCr=F3de=B3?
>(je=B6li jest to te=BF internet, podaj adresy stron www)

glownie internet, ale brak regularnych adresow

>4. Mniej-wi=EAcej ile post=F3w wysy=B3asz na grupy CrackPL (Forum i Stuff)? Podaj
>orientacyjn=B1 liczb=EA: kilkadziesiat na rok/dwa

>5. Czy masz sw=F3j komputer?
>a. tak


>6. Jakiego systemu operacyjnego u=BFywasz na swoim komputerze?
>b. MS Windows 95/98
>c. MS Windows NT


>7. Do kt=F3rej z klas zaliczy=B3by=B6 sw=F3j komputer?
>b. Pentium


>8. Gdzie u=BFywasz komputera? Zaznacz wszystkie w=B3a=B6ciwe.
>a. w domu
>b. w szkole
>c. w pracy


>9. Jakich program=F3w najcz=EA=B6ciej u=BFywasz do crackowania?

ciezko powiedziec, ostatnio za kazdym razem innego
najczesciej chyba SoftICE

>10. Sk=B1d posiadasz te programy? Zaznacz wszystkie w=B3a=B6ciwe.
>a. =B6ci=B1gn=B1=B3em je z Internetu
>b. od kolegi


>11. Dlaczego zajmujesz si=EA crackowaniem? Zaznacz wszystkie mo=BFliwe
>odpowiedzi.
>a. =B3amanie zabezpiecze=F1 sprawia mi przyjemno=B6=E6
>b. potrzebne mi s=B1 w pe=B3ni dzia=B3aj=B1ce wersje program=F3w
>c. zabezpieczenia s=B1 dla mnie wyzwaniem
>d. bo nie mam nic innego do roboty


>12. Ile program=F3w orientacyjnie do tej pory 'scracowa=B3e=B6'? Podaj liczb=EA:
kilkanascie

>13. Czy kiedykolwiek dzi=EAki crackowaniu zarobi=B3e=B6 jakie=B6 pieni=B1dze?
>a. tak
>b. nie

czy zrobienie klucza hasp mozna zaliczyc do crackowania?
(zero zmian w softwarze)

>14. Jaki procent 'scrackowanych' program=F3w regularnie u=BFywasz?
>c. 21 - 50 %


>15. W jakich innych wymienionych formach wykorzystania Internetu masz
>do=B6wiadczenie? Zaznacz wszystkie w=B3a=B6ciwe.
>- inne, jakie? ______________________

news, e-mail, WWW, telnet, ssh, ftp

>16. Czy uwa=BFasz, =BFe obowi=B1zuj=B1cych w Polsce ustaw nale=BFy przestrzega=E6?
>c. nie zawsze, a kiedy nie trzeba? ______________________

kiedy ustawa jest idiotyczna i tylko pro-forma
vide np. prawo budowlane (i tak nikt go do konca nie przestrzega,
a nikomu to nie przeszkadza)

>17. Czy Twoim zdaniem =B6ci=B1gni=EAcie ki=B6ci winogron ze straganu to kradzie=BF?
>a. tak


>18. Czy Twoim zdaniem autor programu w wersji testowej, oferowanego w
>sprzeda=BFy ma prawo do zysku?

nie rozumiem
albo "moim zdaniem", albo "ma prawo"
moze chodzi o to: "czy powinno istniec prawo ustawowe, ze... itd."
jesli nie istnieje to jesli autor zastrzeze sobie prawo do zyskow to ma,
a jesli istnieje to i tak ma, chyba ze zrezygnuje

>19. Czy Twoim zdaniem prawo chroni w=B3a=B6cicieli program=F3w?
>a. tak


>20. Czy wydaje Ci si=EA, =BFe zajmuj=B1c si=EA crackowaniem =B3amiesz w jaki=B6 spos=F3b
>prawo?
>a. tak
>je=B6li tak, to czy cracker =B3amie przepisy prawa:
>- cywilnego


>21. Czy Twoim zdaniem Policja zbiera informacje o crackerach?
>c. nie wiem


>22. Czy Twoim zdaniem Policja ma prawo po namierzeniu crackera wpa=B6=E6 do
jego
>domu i zarekwirowa=E6 mu komputer?
>b. nie
jesli tylko po namierzeniu to niby za co?

>23. Czy w spo=B3eczno=B6ci cracker=F3w obowi=B1zuj=B1 jakie=B6 zasady?
>c. nie wiem


>24. Czy uwa=BFasz, =BFe powinno si=EA udost=EApnia=E6 w Internecie cracki do
program=F3w
>polskich?
>a. tak


>25. Jak my=B6lisz, co musia=B3oby si=EA sta=E6, =BFeby=B6 przesta=B3/a crackowa=E6? :-)

musialyby zniknac zabezpieczenia programow

>26. P=B3e=E6: m=EAska / =BFe=F1ska

tak

>27. Podaj wiek w latach: _______

jesli chodzi o wiek to jedni mowia ze XX a inni ze XXI,
a jesli chodzi o to ile mam lat to 27

>28. Miejsce zamieszkania. Podaj tylko nazw=EA miasta lub wsi (z zaznaczeniem,
>w okolicach kt=F3rego miasta si=EA mie=B6ci)

Wroclaw w okolicach Kobierzyc

>29. Wykszta=B3cenie:
>h. wy=BFsze


>30. Je=B6li si=EA ju=BF nie uczysz, podaj sw=F3j zaw=F3d: ______________

technik elektronik, informatyk

>31. Czy poza 'dzia=B3alno=B6ci=B1 crackersk=B1' interesuje Ci=EA co=B6 jeszcze? Je=B6li
>tak, wymie=F1 nie wi=EAcej ni=BF trzy:
>a. zarobienie duzej ilosci pieniedzy
>b. rodzina
>c. jezyki, podroze, wedkarstwo (tylko ze znowu nie mam wedki)

>32. Jak oceniasz status maj=B1tkowy swojej rodziny?
>d. =B6redni


>33. Jaki jest Tw=F3j stosunek do religii?
>a. wierz=B1cy praktykuj=B1cy


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Pojawila sie szansa ze moglbym poprowadzic wyklad
na uczelni pt. "Bezpieczenstwo oprogramowania".
Oczywiscie dotyczylby on glownie tego jak sie bronic
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program wykladu i ogolne zalozenia. Pomozecie?

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Hi...

Czytalem akurat ankiete Rafala..i ogolnie zastanawialem sie nad calym
zagadnieniem. Nie chce tu nic krytykowac ale pytania wydaja sie zbyt
trywialne i zbyt sugerujace i kierujace do koncowego ostatecznego wyniku...
programisci, coderzy, reversanci, crackerzy czy jak tam nazwac ludzi
bawiacych sie w zagadnienia o ktorych jest mowa sa i tak czy siak
przestepcami.

Pytanie czy prawa nalezy przestrzegac i czy lamiesz prawo zajmujac sie
crackowaniem jest smieszne.., jezeli odpowiesz na nie twierdzaco to
wychodzi na to ze jestes przestepca. Jezeli odpowiesz przeczaco to tez
jestes przestepca bo prawa nalezy przestrzegac. Caly czas to wszystko to sa
smieszne ogolniki ktorymi zyje i chelpi sie nasza cywilizacja. Wszyscy
wszystkich kataloguja wg. smiesznie ustalonych i nieprzemyslanych norm.
Ktos powie cracker jest przestepca wiec wszyscy jada na tym stwierdzeniu,
ktos powie, ze hacker jest dobry i tak jest rozglaszane i tak dalej..itp..,
wszystko to ogolniki bez indywidulizacji poszczegolnych przypadkow i wogole
zrozumienia niektorych zagdnien.

Wlasciwie to nalezalo by sobie juz dawno wyjasnic, co rozumi sie przez
okreslenie cracker. Wiekszosc postronnych ludzi, nawet programistow czy
prawnikow formulujacych prawo rozumie to okresleni w bardzo ograniczony
sposob i czesto nie maja najmniejszego pojecia czym tacy ludzi sie zajmuja,
co i jak robia. Calkiem spokojnie mozemy nazwac sie inaczej..np.
revers'anci.., czy np. badacze kodu :-)...a wtedy nikt postronny nie bedzie
mial pojecia co robimy i kazdy ominie to i jednym slowem oleje sprawe.

Jedno jest pewne.., prawo jest po to aby go przestrzegac..., oprogramowanie
(czy tez programy komputerowe a to roznica) jest normalnym towarem ktory
podlega takiemu prawu i zasadom jakim sobie odpowiedni ludzie ustalili,
jakiekolwiek lamanie tych praw, praw autorski czy warunkow licencji jest
przestepstwem w rozumieniu prawa i tu nie ma co dyskutowac. Jakies
badziewne i smieszne slogany typu free for all.., wolnosc slowa, wolonosc
informacji czy podobne nie maja tu nic do gadania.

Teraz jednak nalezy sie zastanowic nad najbardziej konkretnym aspektem tego
co napisalem powyzej. Mowiac o kims (np. o crackerze, ktory wypuscil cracka
do danego programu), ze lamie prawo nalezy dokladnie sprecyzowac jak on to
prawo lamie, na jakich zasadach to prawo jest lamane i na jakich zasadach
prawo chroni dany program. Nie mozna ogolnikowo stwierdzic, ze skoro to
cracker (w czyims mniemaniu) i zrobil niby cracka to od razu prawo zostalo
zlamane.

Druga wazna sprawa... i smieszna :-)..he..he to 90% czynnych!! ludzi (nie
mowie tu o kibicach, ktorzy sie nigdy nie odezwali) na liscie nie wypuszcza
crackow/seriali a wiekszosc czasu poswieca na zagadnienia czysto
programowe, analize programow, zabawe z kodem, matematyke, kryptografie i
inne tego typu zagadnienia. To ze lista nazywa sie CrackPL nie znaczy to,
ze kazdy z nas prezentuje w necie stronki z setkami crackow, obwieszonych
dodatkow banerami porno-sitow aby jeszcze cos na tym zarobic jak sie uda.

O co to wszystko wogole sie rozbija.. :-)...i co sie dzieje w dzisiejszym
swiecie. Chwilami zastanawiam sie czy chce mi sie jeszcze pisac dalej na
ten temat bo i tak do niczego madrego sie nie dojdzie, kazdy bedzie mial
swoj poglad, swoje zdanie i tak pewnie pozostanie.


Porusze jeszcze jednak kilka spraw.., dlatego ze interesuje mnie samego to
co sie dzieje wokol temtu i chetnie podjme dyskusje z zainteresowanymi tym
tematem osobami.

Przegladalem ostatnio kilka licencji z programow ogolnie dostepnych na
plytkach do gazetek. Mozna sie z nich dowiedziec ciekawych rzeczy ale
zarazem znalesc wiele niejasnosci a czasami wrecz smiesznych rzeczy. Wezmy
np. umowe licencyjna naszego ulubionego Pajaczka. Umowa jest wg. mojej
opini dobrze zmontowana i faktycznie przekazuje duzo informacji w
porownaniu do umow innych programow. Ale co, nie widze, zadnego aspektu
debugowania a wiec czy to dla przyjemnosci czy w jakims celu mozemy to
robic bez wzledu na to czy sie to komus podoba czy nie. Widze za to ze
zabroniona jest disasemblacja i dekompilacja. Notabne disasemblacja jest
forma dekompilacji wiec :-)))), ale to nie istotne. Co ciekawe ustawa o
prawach autorskich i prawach pokrewnych zawiera informacje o bezwzglednych
prawach uzytkowanika min. do dekompilacji w wyszczegolniony przypadkach.
Umowa licencyjna moze ograniczac to prawo ale nie moze go wylaczac. W kocu
uzytkownik tez ma swoje prawa do ktorych musi sie dostoswac licencjodawca.
Znany wiekszosci motyw dekompilacj do osiagniecie wspoldzialania z
niezaleznie stworzonym programem komputerowym (np. crackiem :-))).., to
jedna sprawa. Pod to prawdopodobnie podlega takze aspekt dostosowania
systemu (Windowsa + slady SI) do pracy z Pajaczkiem (np. wersji trial iles
tam dni).. wiec tu tez mozna dowodzic slusznosci dekompilacji. Sprawa kopii
zapasowej jest oczywista i to gwarantuje prawo wiec nie widze powodu
wymieniania tego w licencji.., tym ciekawiej, ze w przypadku licencji
Pajaczka najpierw dozwolone jest nieograniczone rozpowszechnianie i
zwielokrotnianie oprogramowania na dowolnych nosnikach a za chwile prawo do
sporzadzenia jednej kopii zapasowej. Biorac pod uwage, ze kody
odblokowujace nie sa zwiazane z instalka Pajaczka nie rozumie takiego
podejscia bo caly czas jest mowa o tym samym pakiecie instalki. A co do
samych kodow odblokowujacych czy na tej samej zasadzie traktowane sa kody
ktore otrzymujemy od licencjodawcy (chronione prawem) i te jakie sobi sami
znajdziemy czy nawet jakims cudem wymyslimy z glowy :-).
Oki... zostawmy juz Pajaczka w spokoju..., chcialem tylko zasygnalizowac
pewne rzeczy, ktore moga byc ciekawe a czasami wrecz istotne. Dla laika
jednak takie sprawy nie maja znaczenia..., jezeli dotkales palcem takiego
pajaczka i nazywsz siebie crackerem to popelniasz przestepstwo.:-)..

Mam natomiast jedno pytanie na temat o ktorym nie bardzo wiem. To wzgledem
ankiety i pytania czy Policja ma prawo po namierzeniu crackera wpa=B6=E6 do
jego domu i zarekwirowa=E6 mu komputer?. Nie mowie tu o crackerach (bo
dalej nie wiadomo o kogo wlasciwie chodzi) ale ogolnie w przypadku jakiegos
posadzenia o przestepstwo na jakich zasadach moze sie to odbyc. Z tego co
rozumie to jak juz wpadaja..., zabieraja dysk albo caly sprzet (notabne po
co im np. glosniki czy mikrofon :-))..

Co np. w przypadku gdy mam na dysku calkiem prywatne i bardzo wazne dane..,
co gdy np. mam prace magisterska od ktorej zalezy moje wyksztalcenie, albo
przechowane dane tajnego projektu z ktorego musze sie do jutra wywiazac. Co
w takich przypadkach ?? Jak sie ma wymiernosc moich prytwatnych strat tym
spowodowanych do popelnionego przestepstwa.. albo nawet nieuzasadnionego
oskarzenia.


Pozdrowka
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> badziewne i smieszne slogany typu free for all.., wolnosc slowa, wolonosc
> informacji czy podobne nie maja tu nic do gadania.


Slogany tak, ale crackerzy maja do gadania i to duzo i w tym problem.
Gdyby problem sprowadzal sie do walki ze sloganami, nie byloby
problemu.
Internet urzeczywistnil idee wolnosci informacji czy sie to komus podoba
czy nie i to szybciej niz ktokolwiek sie tego spodziewal.
Pytanie teraz czyja wolnosc jest "wazniejsza": producenta informacji
(filmu, muzyki, programu, itd.), ktory narzuca ceny i prawo ograniczajace
wolnosc konsumentow informacji, czy wolnosc tychze konsumentow,
objawiajaca sie pelna swoboda manipulowania informacja.
Historia pokazuje, ze wszelkie proby ograniczania wolnosci
wiekszosci spoleczenstwa zawsze konczyly sie kleska rezimu,
w jakiejkolwiek formie by on nie byl.
Moze wiec nie walczyc z wiatrakami i poddac sie pradowi przemian?

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On Tue, 07 Mar 2000, Grzegorz Wroblewski wrote:

> Slogany tak, ale crackerzy maja do gadania i to duzo i w tym problem.
> Gdyby problem sprowadzal sie do walki ze sloganami, nie byloby
> problemu.
> Internet urzeczywistnil idee wolnosci informacji czy sie to komus podoba
> czy nie i to szybciej niz ktokolwiek sie tego spodziewal.
> Pytanie teraz czyja wolnosc jest "wazniejsza": producenta informacji
> (filmu, muzyki, programu, itd.), ktory narzuca ceny i prawo ograniczajace
> wolnosc konsumentow informacji, czy wolnosc tychze konsumentow,
> objawiajaca sie pelna swoboda manipulowania informacja.
> Historia pokazuje, ze wszelkie proby ograniczania wolnosci
> wiekszosci spoleczenstwa zawsze konczyly sie kleska rezimu,
> w jakiejkolwiek formie by on nie byl.

Masz sporo racji, ale jeste=B6 blisko pope=B3nienia bardzo cz=EAstego b=B3=EAdu
w takich dyskusjach: uto=BFsamiania wolno=B6ci wypowiedzi ze zwyk=B3ym
z=B3odziejstwem. Granica mi=EAdzy jednym i drugim w konkretnym przypadku
crackingu jest do=B6=E6 p=B3ynna, ale nie niemo=BFliwa do okre=B6lenia.

Publikowanie crack=F3w do programu komercyjnego lub shareware nie ma
nic wsp=F3lnego z wolno=B6ci=B1 wypowiedzi. =A6ciganie takich crack=F3w jest
=B6ciganiem piractwa, a nie naruszaniem wolno=B6ci s=B3owa. Wiem =BFe ten
pogl=B1d mo=BFe by=E6 niepopularny, ale tak po prostu jest. Je=B6li nie sta=E6
Ci=EA na jaki=B6 program, to go nie u=BFywaj. Wolno=B6=E6 informacji nie oznacza
prawa do kopiowania komercyjnego programu komu popadnie, bo to jest
piractwo i tyle.

Ja od 1994 roku u=BFywam Linuxa, wy=B3acznie i wsz=EAdzie, i nie mam u siebie
ani jednego programu, kt=F3rego u=BFywa=B3bym nielegalnie. Prawda jest taka, =BFe
*ja* za pomoc=B1 darmowych narz=EAdzi mog=EA zrobi=E6 wszystko, czego potrzebuj=EA
do pracy i do rozrywki. Je=B6li kto=B6 u=BFywa pirackiego oprogramowania
z lenistwa albo dlatego =BFe kumple te=BF maj=B1 najnowsz=B1 wersj=EA programu X
i nie wypada mie=E6 starszej, to jego problem. Ale niech przynajmniej nie
podci=B1ga tego pod wolno=B6=E6 s=B3owa, bo w ten spos=F3b mo=BFna tylko t=EA wolno=B6=E6
zeszmaci=E6.

Tyle na temat piractwa, ale jest te=BF druga strona, a mianowicie polityka
producent=F3w multimedi=F3w oraz oprogramowania. D=B1=BF=B1c do maksymalizacji
zysk=F3w narzucaj=B1 oni coraz wi=EAksze ograniczenia u=BFytkownikim, r=F3wnocze=B6nie
przyznaj=B1c sobie coraz wi=EAksze prawa, a 90% u=BFytkownik=F3w bezmy=B6lnie
to akceptuje bo ich wizja =B6wiata jest kreowana przez reklamy oraz
popularne magazyny komputerowe, kt=F3re z regu=B3y pisz=B1 to co im podsunie
dzia=B3 public relations danej firmy. Przyk=B3adem mo=BFe by=E6 tutaj Digital
Millenium Copyright Act uchwalony ponad rok temu w USA, kt=F3ry jest po
prostu przeniesieniem =BFycze=F1 producent=F3w oprogramowania i multimedi=F3w
na grunt prawodawstwa.

Z tego samego powodu mamy na przyk=B3ad obecnie trwaj=B1cy proces w sprawie
DVD CCA (http://www.opendvd.org/) oraz mas=EA firm procesuj=B1cych si=EA o
rozmaite krety=F1skie patenty (ostatnio Amazon), na rzeczy kt=F3re s=B1 od dawna
znane i u=BFywane, ale kto=B6 wpad=B3 na pomys=B3 =BFeby je opatentowa=E6. Nawiasem
m=F3wi=B1c, obecnie jest to mo=BFliwe tylko w USA, w Europie nie da si=EA
jeszcze rejestrowa=E6 tak og=F3lnych patent=F3w pomimo silnej presji ze strony
USA. Wi=EAcej na ten temat na http://www.freepatents.org/.

Z tego samego powodu lobby producent=F3w oprogramowania tak intensywnie
zabiega o ca=B3kowit=B1 delegalizacj=EA reverse engineeringu. Pos=B3uguj=B1
si=EA przy tym argumentem, =BFe r.e. s=B3u=BFy tylko i wy=B3=B1cznie do =B3amania
zabezpiecze=F1 program=F3w i sprzyja piractwu. Tutaj maj=B1 racj=EA, ale
jak zwykle jest druga strona medalu. R.e. pozwala tak=BFe odkrywa=E6
r=F3=BFne mniejsze i wi=EAksze k=B3amstwa producent=F3w oprogramowania (sprawa
NSAKEY w CryptoAPI Microsoftu, sprawa I-Gear i innych censorware -
http://ceti.pl/~kravietz/snews/article.php3/138), tworzy=E6 open-source
implementacje r=F3=BFnych tajnych protoko=B3=F3w (ICQ, Napster, format Worda, DVD
CSS) itp.  Ten ostatni argument jest zreszt=B1 uwzgl=EAdniony w prawodawstwie
zar=F3wno polskim jak i ameryka=F1skim - zar=F3wno nasze prawo autorskie
jak i ameryka=F1skie DMCA dopuszcza zastosowanie r.e. w celu zapewnienia
kompatybilno=B6ci z innymi programami.

To co opisa=B3em w 3 powy=BFszych akapitach wed=B3ug mnie opisuje to, co
mo=BFna zaliczy=E6 do wolno=B6ci informacji. Natomiast podtrzymuj=EA twierdzenie,
=BFe piractwa pod to nie mo=BFna podci=B1ga=E6.

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>crackingu jest do=B6=E6 p=B3ynna, ale nie niemo=BFliwa do okre=B6lenia.


Dopoki ta granica jest okreslana jednostronnie (przez producentow)
bedzie istniala masa ludzi nie uznajacych jej.

>Ci=EA na jaki=B6 program, to go nie u=BFywaj. Wolno=B6=E6 informacji nie oznacza
>prawa do kopiowania komercyjnego programu komu popadnie, bo to jest
>piractwo i tyle.


Nikt nikomu nie kaze zarabiac pisaniem programow. Jesli komus
nie podoba sie "moja" wolnosc to sorry, to nie daje mu prawa
do ograniczania jej. Zwlaszcza jesli ma to przyniesc korzysci jemu.

>podci=B1ga tego pod wolno=B6=E6 s=B3owa, bo w ten spos=F3b mo=BFna tylko t=EA wolno=B6=E6
>zeszmaci=E6.


Tu nie chodzi tylko o wolnosc slowa, ale o cos bardziej ogolnego.
To dyktowanie warunkow co wolno ci zrobic z ksiazka, filmem,
muzyka, programem, itd. zaczyna przypominac poczatki jakiegos
chorego systemu totalitarnego rodem z Orwella.

>Millenium Copyright Act uchwalony ponad rok temu w USA, kt=F3ry jest po
>prostu przeniesieniem =BFycze=F1 producent=F3w oprogramowania i multimedi=F3w
>na grunt prawodawstwa.


Ogolnie rzecz biorac zaczyna byc tak, ze to forsa kreuje prawo, podczas
gdy wszystkim wmawia sie, ze to obywatele, demokratycznymi metodami.

>zabiega o ca=B3kowit=B1 delegalizacj=EA reverse engineeringu. Pos=B3uguj=B1


Gdyby faktycznie wiekszosc uchwalila jakas uczciwa droga, ze r.e.
jest nielegalny i podlega okreslonym karom, albo bym sie dostosowal,
albo wyemigrowal.
Nie bede tolerowal praw narzucanych sila.

Grzegorz

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On Tue, 07 Mar 2000, Grzegorz Wroblewski wrote:

> >Ci=EA na jaki=B6 program, to go nie u=BFywaj. Wolno=B6=E6 informacji nie oznacza
> >prawa do kopiowania komercyjnego programu komu popadnie, bo to jest
> >piractwo i tyle.
> Nikt nikomu nie kaze zarabiac pisaniem programow. Jesli komus
> nie podoba sie "moja" wolnosc to sorry, to nie daje mu prawa
> do ograniczania jej. Zwlaszcza jesli ma to przyniesc korzysci jemu.

W ten spos=F3b niejako akceptujesz prawo pierwszego lepszego dresiarza
do pobicia Ci=EA bejsbolem. Nikt nie kaza=B3 Ci chodzi=E6 po ulicy, no nie?
Przecie=BF dresiarz nie da=B3 Ci prawa do ograniczania jego wolno=B6ci
do pobicia Ci=EA.

R=F3=BFnica mi=EAdzy sytuacj=B1 przez Ciebie opisana, a rzeczywisto=B6ci=B1 jest
taka, =BFe to nie Ty robisz =B3ask=EA korzystaj=B1c z napisanego przez kogo=B6
programu, tylko on robi Tobie, udost=EApniaj=B1c ten program. Oczywi=B6cie,
je=B6li kupujesz ten program za pieni=B1dze, to nie poj=EAcie ,,=B3aski''
nie jest odpowiednie, bo p=B3acisz autorowi za jego prac=EA i zyskujesz
w ten spos=F3b pewne prawa co do u=BFywania programu.

Jedyny problem jaki si=EA w tym momencie pojawia, to sk=B3onno=B6=E6 producent=F3w
oprogramowania do maksymalnego ograniczania tych praw oraz minimalizowania
w=B3asnych obowi=B1zk=F3w (np. dostarczania za darmo wersji z poprawionymi b=B3=EAdami).
Z moralnego punktu widzenia nie mia=B3bym =BFadnych opor=F3w przed u=BFyciem
patcha poprawiaj=B1cego b=B3=EAdy, za kt=F3rego producent =BF=B1da r=F3wnowarto=B6ci nowego
programu. Oczywi=B6cie, gdybym pierwsz=B1 wersj=EA normalnie kupi=B3. Natomiast
sytuacja, w kt=F3rej po prostu bior=EA od kumpla program i go u=BFywam jest
zwyk=B3=B1 kradzie=BF=B1.

Producenci pr=F3buj=B1 maksymalizowa=E6 swoje prawa i do tego wy=BFalaj=B1 si=EA
na ogromne straty spowodowane przez piractwo, podaj=B1c pozbawione 
podstaw statystyki, =BFe gdyby ludzie kt=F3rzy u=BFywaj=B1 pirackich kopii
ich program=F3w kupili je, to zarobili by na tym x*10^6 USD. A poniewa=BF
ich nie kupili, wi=EAc producenci stracili t=EA kwot=EA. Pomijaj=B1 przy tym
fakt, =BFe gdyby ci u=BFytkownicy z jakiego=B6 powodu musieli zrezygnowa=E6
z pirackich kopii, to nie ma podstaw by s=B1dzi=E6, =BFe wi=EAkszo=B6=E6 z nich
kupi=B3a by legalne kopie. Mogliby zacz=B1=E6 u=BFywa=E6 narz=EAdzi ta=F1szych lub
w og=F3le darmowych.

Tylko =BFe o tym si=EA g=B3o=B6no nie m=F3wi, bo nie le=BFy to w interesie os=F3b
maj=B1cych wp=B3yw na opini=EA publiczn=B1. Lepiej finansowo wychodzi pisanie
bzdur, ni=BF tracenie reklamodawc=F3w. A ludzie dalej po prostu u=BFywaj=B1
pirackiego oprogramowania, zamiast pr=F3bowa=E6 wp=B3ywa=E6 na producent=F3w
oraz media. Nie chcia=B3bym przy tym sugerowa=E6, =BFe ten wyw=F3d usprawiedliwia
piractwo - ka=BFdy sw=F3j rozum ma i za siebie mo=BFe decydowa=E6.

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Nie wiem czy kogos zainteresuje ten niezly program do przewalania plytek
- ma opcje omijania zlych sektorow (fast), skanowania bad sektorow i
inne.. Mozna go sciagnac z www.elby.de . Odporny na softice'a  -wykrywa
go wypisujac debugger detected, a po uruchomieniu frogsice'a odpala sie
tylko launcher CloneCD i wszystko stoi - nie laduje sie.... co robic?
Nie wiem jak to gryzc.Czekam na jakies pomysly...
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Wlasnie...co jest?
Trialka windows 2000 Pr nie chce mi sie wytrialkowac...przestawilem zegar na
2001 i nic... ;-?
ani komunikatu ani naga ani nawet messageboxa...co jest?

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Cze :)

>wiem ze moze to pytanie bardziej na ASMPL (tylko tam >jest troche pusto)

    No wlasnie, czemu ???

>  .DATA?
>     <tego nie rozumiem ??????? do czego toto jest>

    Jest to inicjalizacji danych o nie znanych wartosciach, np.

    liczba    db    ?
    addr      db    ?

    Nie jestem pewien, ale uzywa sie tego tylko w MASMie ( mozliwe, ze w
TASMie tez, ale nie jestem siur ).


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CZe :)

>zna ktos jakas ksiazke o API


    Np. ksiazki z serii "Programowanie Win9x", "Rejestr Systemu 9x" itp.
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Witam serdecznie,

Mam taka mala prosbe o wstrzymanie sie z dyskusja na temat ankiety na jakis
czas (mysle, ze okolo 2 tygodni).
Chodzi mi o rzetelnosc badania - byloby bardzo zle, jesli ktos zasugerowal
sie dyskusja na grupie udzielajac odpowiedzi na moje pytania.

I jeszcze jedno: wiem, ze niektore pytania wzbudzaja wasze zazenowanie lub
smiech :-) Ale zapewniam Was, ze w kazdym powaznie Was o to pytam i jest w
tym jakis sens. Jaki? Powiem Wam po zakonczeniu badania, ok?

Dzieki i jeszcze raz serdecznie zachecam do wypelnienia ankiety! :-)

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Hi,
Gdy (uzywajac TASMA) zadeklarujemy zmienna np

.DATA
lpTemp       dd 0

zakladajac ze VA sekji .DATA ma 402000h zmieniajac hiewem 1 dword spod
VA 402000 modyfikujemy jednoczesnie wartosc lpTemp, jesli natomiast
zadeklarujemy zmienna lpTemp w taki sposob

.DATA
lpTemp       dd ?     ; <-- ? oznacza niezainicjalizowane dane
real_data:
...
real_data_size  equ $-real_data
.CODE

modyfikujac dane spod 402000h nie zmieniamy wartosci lpTemp, gdyz
zmienna znajduje sie w sekji o rozmiarze fizycznym real_data_size(+filealign) natomiast rozmiar
virtualny sekcji .DATA jest poszerzony w tym przypadku o 4+objalign
VA lpTemp wynosi 402000h ale zmieniajac dane spod tego VA faktycznie zmienialibysmy
bajty ktore stanowia wyrownanie sekcji do filealign w przypadku braku
innych danych, lub inne dane jesli takie bylyby zadeklaroane(jesli rozmiar
danych niezainicjalizowanych miescilby sie w granicy filealign to
zmienialibysmy faktycznie dane niezainicjalizowane, ale to extremalne
przypadki).Deklaracja zmiennych niezainicjalizowanych bardzo sie przydaje w przypadku
deklaracji duzych buforow np

lpBuf      db 1024h dup(?)

nie powoduje to zwiekaszania sie fizycznego pliku po komplikacji, w przeciwienstwie
do zadeklarowania bufora lpBuf db 1024h(0) co powoduje powiekszenie pliku o 1024h bajtow
W przypadku danych niezain. system potrzebowac bedzie extra 1024h bajtow
pamieci(a gdy jej braknie swapfile), a wiec ma to swoje dobre strony(
w przypadku stosunkowo malych buforow w granicy 1MB) ale nie ma sensu
deklarowac buforow wiekszych niz kilka mb bo czasmi system nie wydoli.
Uzywajac tasma mozemy stosowac db ? i wtedy zwiekszony zostanie rozmiar
virtualny sekcji w ktorej zadeklarowalismy te dane, w przypadku masma
stosowanie etykiety .DATA? faktycznie spowoduje to ze zostanie
rozrzeszony rozmiar virtualny sekcji .DATA, a wiec jeden kit ;)
Niektore kompilatory dla danych niezainicjalizowanych dodaja extra
1 sekcje(.bss np. notepad.exe) , ktorej rozmiar fizyczny i offset
w pliku wynosi 0 natomiast rozmiar v jest lacznym rozmiarem danych niezainic



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R>> 1. Od jak dawna regularnie korzystasz z Internetu?
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tpcp> Powodzenia ...
tpcp> mailto:tato@pertus.com.pl

Jasna cholera ! Przepraszam wszystkich !!!
Tak to jest o trzeciej na ranem, ale autor ankiety chcial szybko ...
Widze, ze nie tylko ja dalem sie nabrac ...

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Hi !

Nawiazujac do tematu prawa i bezprawia, moralnosci i jej braku w przypadku crackowania, kopiowania itp. komercyjnego oprogramowania, chcialbym dorzucic swoej 3 grosze (chociaz w tym temacie zabiore glos bo w innych jestem jeszcze za cienki).
Z tego co widze, czesc grupy jest za :)  czesc przeciw :(.
W zwiazku z tym mam pytanie do przeciwnikow.
Wyobraz sobie, ze kupujesz nowy samochod i po przejechaniu np. 100 km odpada ci kolo albo rypie sie skrzynia (aha, producent wie o usterkach).
Pytania brzmia :
- czy producent bryki olewa cie, czy daje ci nowy samochod ?
- czy bedziesz sie go pytal czy mozesz sam zmienic kolo ?
- czy w koncu zabrania ci rozebrac maszyne i zobaczyc jak to dziala ?

Odpowiedz brzmi
- daje nowy
- nie
- nie

A jak jest z oprograowaniem ?
Uwazam, ze mam MORALNE prawo crackowac, kopiowac, testowac i robic wiele innych ciekawych :) kwestii, bo .......
No lasnie pozostaje tylko pytanie czy jesli ktos wali w kija, ja mu musze odplacac tym samym ?

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On 00-03-07 at 18:18 Pawel Krawczyk wrote:

>On Tue, 07 Mar 2000, Grzegorz Wroblewski wrote:
>
>> >Ci=EA na jaki=B6 program, to go nie u=BFywaj. Wolno=B6=E6 informacji
nie oznacza
>> >prawa do kopiowania komercyjnego programu komu popadnie, bo to jest
>> >piractwo i tyle.
>> Nikt nikomu nie kaze zarabiac pisaniem programow. Jesli komus
>> nie podoba sie "moja" wolnosc to sorry, to nie daje mu prawa
>> do ograniczania jej. Zwlaszcza jesli ma to przyniesc korzysci jemu.
.....itd.

Witam..

Hmm...nawet nie probuje ustosunkowac sie do poszczegolnych fragmentow
wypowiedzi obu listowiczow gdzy ani nie nawiazuja one w konkretach do
interesujacego mnie tematu ani nie rozumie do konca niektorych wyrazonych
postaw.

Dlaczego wiec pisze..., ano dlatego, ze te posty potwierdzaja to co
zasugerowalem i zaznaczylem zaczynajac ten temat. To wszystko to sa jakies
slogany i ogolniki ni jak sie majace do rzeczywistosci. Jedni krzykna precz
z prawem, nikt nam nie bedzie mowil co i jak mamy robic..., inni krzykna,
ze co tylko nie zrobic to od razu lamiesz prawo czy jestes zlodziejem. Tak
wlasnie w duzym stopniu reaguje nasze spoleczenstwo. Dlaczego przy ogolnym
rozprawianiu na tematy crack za kazdym razem dochodzi sie na temat wolnosc
slowa.., albo piractwa, dlaczego 90% dyskusji prowadzi do tego. Mysle, ze
wlasnie takie wyrazanie opini prowadzi do sytuacji ze jest taka jak wlasnie
jest.

Grzegorz pisal cos o wykladach na uczelni pt. "Bezpieczenstwo
oprogramowania" i stworzeniu jakiegos rozsadnego programu i zalozen. Ja bym
zaczal przygotowywanie tego od konkretnego sprecyzowania i wyjasnienia
zagadnien co jest czym, kiedy prawo jest lamane, kiedy prawo lamie inne
prawa.., kiedy licencjodawca czy licencjobiorca lamie prawo, co kto kiedy
moze a czego nie. Dopiero po tym mozna zaczac zastanawiac sie nad samym
bezpieczenstwem oprogramowania. I dosc istotna sprawa wydaje mi sie aby
podejsc do tego bez wlasnych opini czy uprzedzen, a przedstawic to w sposob
jak najbardziej wiarygodny i konkretny.

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PK> Publikowanie crack=F3w do programu komercyjnego lub shareware nie ma
PK> nic wsp=F3lnego z wolno=B6ci=B1 wypowiedzi. =A6ciganie takich crack=F3w jest
PK> =B6ciganiem piractwa, a nie naruszaniem wolno=B6ci s=B3owa. Wiem =BFe ten
PK> pogl=B1d mo=BFe by=E6 niepopularny, ale tak po prostu jest. Je=B6li nie sta=E6
PK> Ci=EA na jaki=B6 program, to go nie u=BFywaj. Wolno=B6=E6 informacji nie oznacza
PK> prawa do kopiowania komercyjnego programu komu popadnie, bo to jest
PK> piractwo i tyle.
[...]

PK> Natomiast podtrzymuj=EA twierdzenie, =BFe piractwa pod to nie mo=BFna
PK> podci=B1ga=E6.

Piekne, madre i "okragle" zdania. Powaznie ! ;-)

Jednak zadam Wam pytanie naprowadzajace:
ja wiem, czemu ma sluzyc program typu "crack". Ale czy moj wlasny
wytwor, efekt sprzezenia mojej wiedzy z doswiadczeniem, umiejetnosci
programistycznych z r.e., ktory oddaje z "dobrawolstwa" kazdemu kto
zechce sie nim poslugiwac, jest "piractwem" ?! Albo sam fakt jego
opublikowania przestepstwem ?!

Z pewnoscia argumenty typu "jak Cie nie stac to nie uzywaj" sa
sluszne. Ale czy na podstawie analogii da sie wywnioskowac zdanie:
"nie zagladaj do srodka" ?! Nikt mi nie wmowi, ze zaawansowane
zabezpieczenia powstaly metoda "Ducha Swietego", wylacznie dzieki
natchnieniu ich tworcow ! Rozumiem, ze autor programu mial prawo sam
sobie udzielic dyspensy od zakazu debugowania WLASNEGO programu, ale
nikt rozsadny nie uwierzy, ze wczesniej nie "zajrzal" do innych
programow !
Celem wiekszosci z nas jest poznanie "technik zabezpieczen", taktyki
i strategii wykorzystywanej przez ich autorow ... Niekoniecznie w
"pirackich" celach !!!
Oczywiscie wiedza ktora (jesli) zdobedziemy moze byc wykorzystana w
celach "pirackich", ale czyz wiedza chirurga nie moze moze byc
wykorzystana do sprawnego pocwiartowania zwlok celem ukrycia ich w
walizkach na strychu u Babci ? Czy z tego powodu nalezy zabronic
praktykowania chirurgii ?! 

Ktos powie: czysta demagogia - i bedzie mial racje ! Za kazdym razem,
opowiadajac sie po ktorejs ze stron tego sporu "o pryncypia" bedziemy
zmuszeni uprawiac demagogie ... Niestety, te "klimaty" niosa z soba
zbyt wiele ladunku emocjanalnego. A tam gdzie gore biora emocje nie ma
juz miejsca na rzeczowa argumentacje.

[...]
PK> A ludzie dalej po prostu u=BFywaj=B1 pirackiego oprogramowania,
PK> zamiast pr=F3bowa=E6 wp=B3ywa=E6 na producent=F3w oraz media.
I to jest wlasnie ta forma "wplyniecia" !

Mozna pikietowac (do upadlego !) pod siedziba f-my programistycznej i
WYMUSIC na niej zmiane punktu widzenia na blizszy naszemu zdaniu
(zycze wielu sukcesow). Mozna tez podjac glodowke, z pewnoscia
wstrzasnie to nimi ! Mozna przestac w ogole korzystac z
oprogramowania: zmuszenie ICH do glodowki wstrzasnie nimi naprawde,
zaczna rowniez wywierac naciski producenci sprzetu ...

PK> Nie chcia=B3bym przy tym sugerowa=E6, =BFe ten wyw=F3d usprawiedliwia
PK> piractwo - ka=BFdy sw=F3j rozum ma i za siebie mo=BFe decydowa=E6.
Fakt i to zdanie mogloby stanowic wspaniale podsumowanie tej dyskusji,
ale ... jest ona zbyt interesujaca ;-)

Jeszcze drobiazg: skad, do ciezkiej cholery, po 14 dniach uzytkowania
wersji ewaluacyjnej jakiegos np. jezyka programowania, mam wiedziec
czy naprawde zdolam znalezc klientow na programy napisane w nim i
odpracowac rownowartosc 60 "baniek" ktore musialbym wydac na
licencjonowana, nie piracka wersje ?!

Dam IM "umoczyc dziob", nie ma obaw ! Nie mam wyjscia, takie jest
prawo ! Ale dopiero wtedy gdy bede widzial ze z tego powodu nie
doprowadze sie do ruiny ! Inny tok rozumowania kazdy z Was uznac musi
za "nierozwazny" ;-) 




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Hi

 00-03-06 o 13:01 czasu zimowego ALbi napisal:

>Czesc !
>
>wiem ze moze to pytanie bardziej na ASMPL (tylko tam jest troche pusto)
>mam pytanko na temat szkieletu programu:
>w win32 wyglada tak:
>
>  .386                                     ; tu moze byc jeszcze
>.386p/.486/.486p
>  .MODEL Flat, STDCALL  ; Flat organizuje pamiec ale po co jest STDCALL

Determinuje sposob pobierania parametrow przez procedure.

>  .DATA?
>     <tego nie rozumiem ??????? do czego toto jest>

unintialized data, dane, ktore nie sa inicjowane na poczatku, czyli nie maja zadnych wartosci.
Uzyteczne, bo nie zajmuja miejsca w fizycznym pliku (linker umieszcza jedynie informacje o rozmiarze tej sekcji, a loader windows 
sam alokuje potrzebna pamiec), odwolywac sie do nich mozna jak standardowo.

[..]
>moze pytanie jest glupie, ale pisze texcik na temat ASM i Win32 i chce to
>tam jakos
>wytlumaczyc.

Moze glupia uwaga, ale po co zabierasz sie do opisywana czegos na czym sie nieznasz?
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Hello ,

Ja jako kibic listy "crackpl2000-forum" odwa=BFy=B3em si=EA napisa=E6 o
security.

Chcia=B3em wykorzysta=E6 poni=BFej "odniesiony" skrypt do zabezpieczenia
strony "tajnej". Generalnie zabezpieczenie opiera si=EA na robieniu
plik=F3w z nazw=B1 logowania w katalogu www.
Prosz=EA rozpatrzcie kwesti=EA "czy to jest bezpieczne" [cyt.], jak widz=EA
najprostszym "z=B3amaniem" tego jest obejrzenie przynajmniej nazw
plik=F3w, ju=BF nie m=F3wi=EA o poci=B1gni=EAciu ca=B3o=B6ci np. Teleportem.
Czy i jak mo=BFna to "podejrze=E6"?
Zosta=B3o u=BFyte na stronie http://pnm.pagi.pl/battery.htm link z
numerkiem 1.
Lamerskie pytania:
- czym zajrze=E6 w katalog/list=EA plik=F3w?
- czym poci=B1gn=B1=E6 "oporne www"?

Link do tego skryptu w oryginale instalacyjnym.

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Hello ,
                 Probowalem Teleportem [identify as IE or NC]
                 i IE5 [make page off-line], ni dudu, ciagnie najwyzej
                 2 pliki glowne.
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On Thu, 09 Mar 2000, tato@pertus.com.pl wrote:

> Jednak zadam Wam pytanie naprowadzajace:
> ja wiem, czemu ma sluzyc program typu "crack". Ale czy moj wlasny
> wytwor, efekt sprzezenia mojej wiedzy z doswiadczeniem, umiejetnosci
> programistycznych z r.e., ktory oddaje z "dobrawolstwa" kazdemu kto
> zechce sie nim poslugiwac, jest "piractwem" ?! Albo sam fakt jego
> opublikowania przestepstwem ?!

Rozumiem doskonale o co Ci chodzi, bo przez kilka lat zajmowa=B3em
si=EA w=B3a=B6nie zagl=B1daniem do =B6rodka r=F3=BFnych program=F3w i =B3amaniem
ich zabezpiecze=F1 ;)  Ale zauwa=BF, =BFe ja napisa=B3em w pierwszym zdaniu o
,,publikowaniu crack=F3w'' a nie samym analizowaniu programu ;) To jest
zasadnicza r=F3=BFnica (wed=B3ug mnie), dlatego =BFe w sytuacji kiedy sam z=B3amiesz
jakie=B6 zabezpieczenie (lub og=F3lniej, rozwi=B1=BFesz jaki=B6 problem) to co=B6
*sam* odkryjesz a przy tym si=EA nauczysz. Jest to w jaki=B6 spos=F3 kreatywne.

Opublikowanie cracka ,,ku po=BFytkowi og=F3=B3u'' to ju=BF zupe=B3nie inna
sprawa. Generalnie tak jest prawie ze wszystkim - kiedy=B6 wspinaczka
ska=B3kowa by=B3a sportem uprawianym przez niewiele os=F3b i by=B3o fajnie.
Potem media i firmy sportowe zrobi=B3y z tego biznes, zacz=B1=B3 si=EA
sponsoring, szpanerstwo i inne zjawiska, kt=F3re powoduj=B1 =BFe wielu
wspinaczy zaczyna odczuwa=E6 obrzydzenie do ca=B3ej tej otoczki, kt=F3ra
zacz=EA=B3a towarzyszy=E6 temu fajnemu sk=B1din=B1d sportowi.

Przez analogi=EA mog=EA powiedzie=E6, =BFe podobne obrzydzenie odczuwam do
piractwa ;) Wystarczy si=EA przej=B6=E6 na gie=B3d=EA, =BFeby zobaczy=E6 kto handluje
pirackim softem. Nie s=B1 to bynajmniej inteligentni i b=B3yskotliwi
hackerzy, tylko z regu=B3y debile i dresiarze, kt=F3rzy zarabiaj=B1 
na cudzej pracy podw=F3jnie. Bo ani nie napisali program=F3w, kt=F3re
sprzedaj=B1, ani nawet ich sami nie z=B3amali ;-Q

> Celem wiekszosci z nas jest poznanie "technik zabezpieczen", taktyki
> i strategii wykorzystywanej przez ich autorow ... Niekoniecznie w
> "pirackich" celach !!!

No w=B3a=B6nie, w sumie m=F3wimy o tym samym... ;)

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On Wed, 08 Mar 2000, azazael@free.net.pl wrote:

> Wyobraz sobie, ze kupujesz nowy samochod i po przejechaniu np. 100 km odpada ci kolo albo rypie sie skrzynia (aha, producent wie o usterkach).

[...]

Bardzo dobry przyk=B3ad na przedstawienie chorej sytuacji na rynku
oprogramowania. Wi=EAkszo=B6=E6 u=BFytkownik=F3w samochod=F3w nie wyobra=BFa sobie
nawet takiej sytuacji, =BFe w umowie kupna samochodu figuruje jak byk
zdanie 'producent za nic nie odpowiada, samoch=F3d mo=BFe zrobi=E6 wszystko
w=B3=B1cznie z rozpadni=EAciem si=EA na cz=EA=B6ci i eksplodowaniem'. Podczas gdy
takie pozbycie si=EA odpowiedzialno=B6ci figuruje w licencji ka=BFdego programu
i jest traktowane zupe=B3nie normalnie przez u=BFytkownik=F3w. Moim zdaniem
to jest co najmniej dziwne...

> A jak jest z oprograowaniem ?

Z oprogramowaniem jest pod jednym wzgl=EAdem zupe=B3nie inaczej, a mianowicie
nie da si=EA praktycznie zerowym kosztem skopiowa=E6 samochodu.

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jak w topicu, na razie nic wiecej nie wiem.

dam znac jakby co.


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>W ten spos=F3b niejako akceptujesz prawo pierwszego lepszego dresiarza
>do pobicia Ci=EA bejsbolem. Nikt nie kaza=B3 Ci chodzi=E6 po ulicy, no nie?
>Przecie=BF dresiarz nie da=B3 Ci prawa do ograniczania jego wolno=B6ci
>do pobicia Ci=EA.


Wolnosc i nietykalnosc osobista to nie to samo (a nietykalnosci osobistej
nie mozna utozsamiac z nietykalnoscia fizyczna). Teoretycy anarchizmu
definiuja wolnosc jako robienie czego sie chce, pod warunkiem ze nie
narusza to wolnosci innej osoby. Czasami trudno jest ustalic kto
pierwszy lamie ta zasade, ale chyba na pewno ten, ktory
pierwszy mowi "nie wolno".
Ogolnie jest to troche zamotane, ale sama definicja mi sie podoba.
Sprawa jest prosta: dresiarz mowi "nie kaze ci chodzic po ulicy",
a producent "nie kaze ci kupowac programow". I jedno, i drugie jest
nam niezbedne (praktycznie), ergo: Microsoft =3D dresiarze ;)

>R=F3=BFnica mi=EAdzy sytuacj=B1 przez Ciebie opisana, a rzeczywisto=B6ci=B1 jest
>taka, =BFe to nie Ty robisz =B3ask=EA korzystaj=B1c z napisanego przez kogo=B6


Na wolnym rynku ja jestem konsumentem i to ja zawsze robie laske.
Ograniczanie swobody kopiowania jest po prostu monopolizowaniem
rynku (moze nie tak wprost, ale posrednio na pewno).

>programu. Oczywi=B6cie, gdybym pierwsz=B1 wersj=EA normalnie kupi=B3. Natomiast
>sytuacja, w kt=F3rej po prostu bior=EA od kumpla program i go u=BFywam jest
>zwyk=B3=B1 kradzie=BF=B1.


Tak jak powiedzialem. Gdyby to ludzie ustalili, bylaby w istocie.
Zaczynamy schodzic na grunt prawny, a przeciez wiecie
co to jest tysiac prawnikow skutych lancuchem na dnie
oceanu?

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> Grzegorz pisal cos o wykladach na uczelni pt. "Bezpieczenstwo
> oprogramowania" i stworzeniu jakiegos rozsadnego programu i zalozen. Ja 

Kwestie prawne na tym wykladzie nie beda w ogole poruszane,
co najwyzej marginalnie. Wykladam na politechnice, a nie uniwersytecie.
Przedmiot bedzie traktowal o zabezpieczaniu kodu programu
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>Widze, ze nie tylko ja dalem sie nabrac ...


ja myslalem ze skoro tato wyslal publicznie to wszyscy musza :))



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>No lasnie pozostaje tylko pytanie czy jesli ktos wali w kija, ja mu musze
odplacac tym samym ?


Wlasnie, to nie po chrzescijansku.
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From: CoxoC/CookieCrK <coxoc@coxoc.ccs.pl>
 
> STDCALL - mysle ze to okresla sposob odwolan do DLLow w ktorych sa
> API ... czyli jest to powiazane z exportowaniem API do programu czyli 
> EXTRN <nazwaAPI> : PROC
> ale nie jestem pewien do konca ...

STDCALL okresla chyba kolejnosc pushowania argumentow na stos przy
wywolaniu API.

Po szczegoly zobacz do jednych z pierwszych W32Asm tutkow Iczeliona.

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Czesc,

Czy ja dobrze rozumiem, czy czesc Ankiet poszla na forum? Ja nie wiem, bo
zrobilem sobie regule, dzieki ktorej ankiety trafiaja do innego folderu niz
listy z forum.
Z tego, co wywnioskowalem, np. ankieta taty poszla na forum, tak?
W kazdym razie do mnie ona nie dotarla wcale! :-(

Jesli uzywacie funkcji 'odpowiedz' w waszych programach pocztowych, to wtedy
Wasze odpowidzi pojda na tez forum a nie tylko do mnie. Aby doszla tylko do
mnie musicie wyciac adres forum z pola 'do' i wpisac moj: rfk@poczta.onet.pl

Cholera, jesli ktoras poszla na forum, to nie z mojej winy! Panowie!

Tato, mam nadzieje, ze rozumiesz pomylke - ja nie popchnalem Twojej ankiety
(ktorej zreszta nie mam) na forum!

Jeszcze raz zachecam do wypelniania ankiety - wciaz mam w miare malo
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Witam!

6 marca 2000, o 22:20, johny666 zezna=B3(a):

> btw: mozna to jakos namierzyc ? czy bedzie widac, ze to jest bocik ?

jasne...., zwyk=B3y Version powinien wy=B6wietli=E6 sporo informacji
Poza tym bot najcz=EA=B6ciej nie jest prawie aktywny....
S=B1 pewnie jeszcze inne sposoby, ale nie wiem poniewa=BF nigdy nie chcia=B3o mi si=EA
w to wnika=E6.


> jak mozna go oprgoramowac ? jakies szczegoly ? :)

skrypty, skrypty i skrypty.... :)

o w=B3a=B6nie!, pod: http://www.xcalibre.com/ powiniene=B6 znale=BC=E6 zar=F3wno
Eggdropa jak i mas=EA skrypt=F3w....


take care....
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Hi
> Nie wiem czy kogos zainteresuje ten niezly program do przewalania plytek
> - ma opcje omijania zlych sektorow (fast), skanowania bad sektorow i
> inne.. Mozna go sciagnac z www.elby.de . Odporny na softice'a  -wykrywa
> go wypisujac debugger detected, a po uruchomieniu frogsice'a odpala sie
> tylko launcher CloneCD i wszystko stoi - nie laduje sie.... co robic?
> Nie wiem jak to gryzc.Czekam na jakies pomysly...
> kiksik.
sam Frogsice nie wystarczy potrzebne bardziej zaawansowane dzialanie
(przerobki SI)
ale mimo wszystko nie udalo mi sie przejsc nawet poczatka kodu (SIDT
rejestry DRx itp.) moja windoza sie biesi jak zastawiam pulapke na miejscu w
ktorym powinien program wyladowac po wykonaniu wyjatku :( chyba pozostaje
TRW 2000 rulez ale  to u mnie sie nie uruchamia
(( 
Program jak juz pisalem pare dni temu jest chyba skompresowany/szyfrowany takim samym bajerem jak Macromedia Dreamweaver 3 dodatkowo caly program znajduje sie w pliku *.dat ktory jest ladowany clonecd.exe rozpakowywany do TEMP jako pliczek o nazwie z liczb jak sie w nim przerobi rozszerzenie to on sie odpala jak loader i jest tak samo zabezpieczony i koniec :(
> -- 
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Hi
wysylalem posta z pytankiem o to pare dni temu ale brak odezwy sklonil mnie
do ponowienia

poszukuje info n/t  getopenfilenamea createfilemappinga i (un)mapviewoffile
tzn chodzi mi o to z czym sie to wywoluje (pushe) bo z helpa niewiele
zrozumialem
i jesli chodzi o to mapowanie to co to jest???

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No tak, ale to jest w=B3a=B6nie problem, gdy=BF has=B3o tzw. "power on password",
jest fabrycznie ustawione na w=B3=B1czone, jedynie zmienia si=EA samo has=B3o (txt)
na fabryczne, je=BFeli si=EA go nie poda, wtedy komputer jest restartowany i
uruchamia si=EA z blokad=B1 klawiatury i tym podobnych, system normalnie
startuje, ale mo=BFna si=EA tylko patrze=E6 i nic wi=EAcej (ewentualnie reset i
znowu power on password).
Mo=BFe jaki=B6 program samowykonawczy, kt=F3ry po prostu wy=B3=B1czy owo hase=B3ko z
biosa, lub je odczyta, tylko czy istnieje co=B6 takiego ???
A mo=BFe jest jaki=B6 inny spos=F3b ?
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>   "Przed poznanskim sadem rejonowym rozpoczela sie pierwsza w Polsce
>   sprawa o ujawnienie tajemnicy panstwowej w Internecie.
>   Jezeli beda zainteresowani dalszym ciagiem tej sprawy.

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Nie  wiem  czy  czytacie  czasami  ogloszenia  o prace ale od jakiegos
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- osiagniecia w lamaniu zabezpieczen komputerowych

Och serce sie kraje i chyba juz idzie wiosna! :)

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Hi,

Czy ktos z was slyszal o takim programie?
Jest to srodowisko do symulacji dzialania sieci teleinformatycznych.
Jest piorunsko drogie i zabezpieczone softwarowo.

Zabezpieczenie polega na tym, ze na jednym kompie w sieci lokalnej
znajduje sie charakterystyczny plik z licencja, oraz chodzi uruchomiony
daemon -
zarzadca licencja. Komputery, na ktorych zainstalowany jest OPNET komunikuja
sie z zarzadca i sprawdzaja licencje.

Problem lezy w tym, ze komputerow, ktore korzystaja z programu jest 6
natomiast
licencja wykupiona jest tylko jedna. W efekcie w danej chwili moze pracowac
tylko
jedna kopia programu.

Sprawdzanie licencji odbywa sie przy starcie programu, ale rowniez w czasie
jego dzialania.
W przypadku braku odpowiedzi od zarzadcy (np. odlaczenie kabla sieciowego)
program sie
wylacza bez ostrzezenia.

Komunikacja pomiedzy programem, a zarzadca licencji odbywa sie po TCP/IP.

Dziwny jest plik licencji poniewaz jakiekolwiek "dotkniecie" go powoduje
jego uszkodzenie (tzn. zablokowanie
licencji). Przez "dotkniecie" rozumiem edycje pliku, kopiowanie,
przeniesienie (zarzadca i plik licencji siedza
na unixie, ale moga byc utworzone rownie dobrze na windozie).

Acha,jeszcze jedno.
Program rownie dobrze moze dzialac na kompie nie podlaczonym do sieci. Wtedy
po instalacji
na komputerze uruchamiany jest daemon licencji i plik licencji tworzony jest
w czasie pierwszego uruchomienia.
Program generuje kod postaci np: 46F3.7D4B.5FBD.EF64 (kod jest za kazdym
uruchomieniem inny). Kod ten
wysyla sie do firmy i czeka sie (bez wylaczania programu !!) na kod postaci:
9277.A662.2CEC.D9A9.03EB.F88F.2989.FF27.49FB
Po wpisaniu tego kodu, na dysku generowany jest ten "cudny" plik z licencja
(u nas na 1 stanowisko)


Czy ktos z was spotkal sie z tego rodzaju zabezpieczeniem? Jakie sa
potencjalne metody ujazmienia potwora?
Bylbym bardzo wdzieczny za wszelkiego rodzaju sugeste? Moge nawet udostepnic
program chcacym sie
z nim zmierzyc (ja chyba jestem jeszcze do niego za cienki :)))))

Pozdro.
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Ju=BF si=EA o to kiedy=B6 was pyta=B3em
lecz bez odzewu
a chodzi mi o dekompiler C++
czy kto=B6 z was zna po=B3o=BFenie
tego cuda w sieci

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Moze ta duza firma to prokuratura???? :-)))))

Pozdrawiam,

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> Nie  wiem  czy  czytacie  czasami  ogloszenia  o prace ale od jakiegos
> miesiaca  pojawia  sie  kilka  ogloszen w ktorych duza firma poszukuje
> specjalistow  od  oprogramowania  i  sieci a w kategorii mile widziane
> jest:
> - osiagniecia w lamaniu zabezpieczen komputerowych




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Hello kiksik,

Tuesday, March 07, 2000, 7:50:32 PM, you wrote:

k> Nie wiem czy kogos zainteresuje ten niezly program do przewalania plytek
k> - ma opcje omijania zlych sektorow (fast), skanowania bad sektorow i
k> inne.. Mozna go sciagnac z www.elby.de . Odporny na softice'a  -wykrywa
k> go wypisujac debugger detected, a po uruchomieniu frogsice'a odpala sie
k> tylko launcher CloneCD i wszystko stoi - nie laduje sie.... co robic?
k> Nie wiem jak to gryzc.Czekam na jakies pomysly...
k> kiksik.

a nie jest on przypadkiem zabezpieczony Armadillo?
http://protools.cjb.net tam byl unprotektor jakby co

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    a chodzi mi o dekompiler C++
    
    cos takiego praktycznie nie istnieje
    widzialem kiedys dekompilatory generujace C,
    ale wynik dekompilacji byl znacznie mniej
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>poszukuje info n/t  getopenfilenamea createfilemappinga i (un)mapviewoffile
>tzn chodzi mi o to z czym sie to wywoluje (pushe) bo z helpa niewiele
>zrozumialem


nie rozumiem czego tu mozna nie rozumiec
moze skonkretyzuj

>i jesli chodzi o to mapowanie to co to jest???


zdaje sie ze robisz sobie plik w pamieci, zeby szybciej
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Hi
> >poszukuje info n/t  getopenfilenamea createfilemappinga i
(un)mapviewoffile
> >tzn chodzi mi o to z czym sie to wywoluje (pushe) bo z helpa niewiele
> >zrozumialem
> nie rozumiem czego tu mozna nie rozumiec
> moze skonkretyzuj
widac mozna chodzi mi o to co trzeba polozyc na stosie przed wywolaniem
wymienionych funkcji
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Wiem, ze to juz bylo, ale nie moge znalezc, jak wydobyc serial 
z Pajaczka 4.6, co innego z wczesniejszych wersji, ale i tak 
(pomimo uruchomienia z dzialajacym SI nie udalo mi sie wydobyc z niego seriala,
a moze jestem slepy?)
Jezeli wiec mozna, to prosilbym bardzo o wskazowki,
jak postepowac, by wyluskac ten kod.
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Maping to jest najprawdopodobnie wy=B3uskiwanie adresu
obiektu np jak przycisk, ikona, okno dialogowe itp.


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Czesc

A moze nie dostales odpowiedzi,
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Hi all

> Nie wiem czy kogos zainteresuje ten niezly program do przewalania plytek
> - ma opcje omijania zlych sektorow (fast), skanowania bad sektorow i
> inne.. Mozna go sciagnac z www.elby.de . Odporny na softice'a  -wykrywa
> go wypisujac debugger detected, a po uruchomieniu frogsice'a odpala sie
> tylko launcher CloneCD i wszystko stoi - nie laduje sie.... co robic?
> Nie wiem jak to gryzc.Czekam na jakies pomysly...
> kiksik.

CloneCD v2.0.2.1 z www.elby.de

Int 3 na EntryPoint rozwiazuje problem z jego przejeciem, prog wyglada na spakowany Aspackiem2000 (charakterystyczny uklad "jmp" psujacy nieco widok:),jednakze sledzi sie go calkiem przyjemnie (w porownaniu z wytworami barta;)).
Dochodzimy wiec do kodu:

push eax	;\\.\ SICE (NTICE)
call _lopen	;sprawdza VXD tak jak CreateFileA
inc  eax		;Zooptymalizowane sprawdzenie (EAX=(-01) VXD niezaladowany)
jz  NoSi		;ok

Heh ciekawe czy i ten sposob na Si pojawi sie w xxxx liczbie crackemsow:))

Co do API _Lopen:
===============
The _lopen function opens an existing file and sets the file pointer to the beginning of the file. This function is provided for compatibility with 16-bit versions of Windows. Win32-based applications should use the CreateFile function. 

HFILE _lopen(

    LPCSTR  lpPathName,	// address of name of file to open  
    int  iReadWrite 	// file access mode 
   );
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On Thu, 09 Mar 2000, Marchewa wrote:

> >   "Przed poznanskim sadem rejonowym rozpoczela sie pierwsza w Polsce
> >   sprawa o ujawnienie tajemnicy panstwowej w Internecie.
> >   Jezeli beda zainteresowani dalszym ciagiem tej sprawy.
> Jestem zainteresowany.

S=B3ysza=B3em o tym, podobno kto=B6 udost=EApni=B3 na sieci cz=EAstotliwo=B6ci
u=BFywane przez UOP. Czy kto=B6 zna szczeg=F3=B3y tej sprawy?

BTW ciekawe dlaczego lista tych cz=EAstotliwo=B6ci nie znalaz=B3a si=EA jeszcze
na setkach mirror=F3w w Polsce i na =B6wiecie? Ujawniona tajemnica przestaje
by=E6 tajemnic=B1 ;)

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> >   "Przed poznanskim sadem rejonowym rozpoczela sie pierwsza w Polsce
> >   sprawa o ujawnienie tajemnicy panstwowej w Internecie.
> >   Jezeli beda zainteresowani dalszym ciagiem tej sprawy.
>
> Jestem zainteresowany.
> Pozdrowienia
> Marchewa
> SQ3DWN
> 88

Witam .
Generalnie "siedze " na liscie 'nasluchy ' i 'Polskie Podworko" , tutaj
zagladam od czasu do czasu , troche tez sie tym bawie .Ciagle mam klopoty z
programami do dekodowania roznych danych , a to z satelitow i innych ,  mnie
jak  dopadna to pierwszy zarzut to bedzie komp. do dekodowania danych i
innych  .Uzywam scanera -radiowego AR 8000 , cudo , wszystko na nim slychac
, od delfina do pierdniecia Jelcyna .Jest taki program w sieci na stronie
firmy AOR , ale zabezpieczony i dziala tylko 15 minut , moze ktos to
probowal , ja jestem za slaby.
Jezeli beda jakies niusy w tej sprawie dopisze .
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Hi,

Prosze o podpowiedz, jak zabrac sie do usuniecia naga pojawiajacego sie na
starcie i koncu tego softu.
Z 15 dniowym trialem sobie poradzilem, a za naga za bardzo nie wiem jak sie
wziac?

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Jakis czas temu wyslalem post o makrze na VB, a teraz przyszla pora na troche mocniejszy sposob na VB...
A mocniejszy jest dlatego, ze dziala nie tylko na VB dane typu String ale i Variant ...
W zwiazku z tym o funkcjach __vbaStrComp i __vbaStrCmp mozna chyba zapomniec, moje 'stare' makro z winice.dat wywalic i cieszyc sie jezeli uda sie zlamac prog VB...

Nalezy ustawic pulapke na funkcji VarBStrCmp ktora znajduje sie w bibliotece oleaut32.dll .
Gdy reversowany prog sie zatrzyma na takim bpoincie nalezy wpisac d esp->4 lub d esp->8 .
Tam powinny nam sie pojawic serial 'nasz' i ten wlasciwy.

Dobrze jest tez zastosowac jakies hmemcpy zeby wejsc do SI w czasie pobierania seriala bo czasami SIce sobie te pulapke olewa (z niewiadomych dla mnie przyczyn). 

Aby to wszystko zadzialalo do winice.dat trzeba dopisac linie :
exp=C:\winows\system\oleaut32.dll
       ^sciezke nalezy zmodyfilowac zgodnie z polozeniem folderu windows w Twoim koputerze..

Poniewaz SI domyslnie ma niezdefiniowane funkcje dla wielu kombinacji klawiszy postanowilem sie kilkoma zaopiekowac np.:

SF12="bpx VarBStrCmp;"
SF11="d esp->4;"
SF10="d esp->8;"

SF12 oznacza wcisniecie Shift + F12 ... (ale komu ja to tlumacze :))


PS:
(troche nie na temat :))

VB-program moze wykryc obecnosc Smartchecka sprawdzajac nazwie klasy jego okna (ta nazwa to NMSCMW50). Tej niedogodnosci mozna sie pozbyc 'retuszujac' z lekka zawartosc pilku Smartchk.exe
W wersji 6.03 (www.cookiecrk.z.pl) sa to bajty od 934 do 93B .
Zrobilem nawet generic patchera bo nie sadze aby nazwa ta zmienila sie w kolejnej wersji (chociaz kto to moze wiedziec)... jak ktos chce to moge podeslac na priv.


Pozdrowka

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Hello NaDoL,

Thursday, March 09, 2000, 12:40:49 PM, you wrote:

N> Znalazlem taka ciekawostke, moze sie komus przyda:
N> http://crktutse.cjb.net/

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Hi

 00-03-08 o 20:32 czasu zimowego plastek napisal:

>Hi
>wysylalem posta z pytankiem o to pare dni temu ale brak odezwy sklonil mnie
>do ponowienia
>
>poszukuje info n/t  getopenfilenamea createfilemappinga i (un)mapviewoffile
>tzn chodzi mi o to z czym sie to wywoluje (pushe) bo z helpa niewiele
>zrozumialem

heh, poczytaj tut iczeliona...

>i jesli chodzi o to mapowanie to co to jest???

mapowanie, wiec, jest to skopiowanie zawartosci danego pliku (calego, lub fragmentu) do przestrzeni
adresowej naszego procesu (tak naprawde to do obszaru pamieci virtualnej wspolnej dla aplikacyj), z jednoczesnym
stworzeniem powiazan pomiedzy obiektem w pamieci, a plikiem na dysku. Oznacza to, nie mniej ni wiecej, 
ze wszystkie zmiany dokonywane w pamieci na zmapowanym pliku beda odzwierciedlane na jego dyskowym odpowiedniku.
Jesli stworzymy obiekt wiekszy od pliku, to zostanie on zwiekszony do rozmiaru obiektu, wszystkie operacje modyfikujace mape pliku modyfikuja rowniez sam plik(jesli sa ustawione odpowiednie atrybuty otwartego pliku, obiektu i mapy of coz).

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KC> Wiem, ze to juz bylo, ale nie moge znalezc, jak wydobyc serial 
KC> z Pajaczka 4.6, co innego z wczesniejszych wersji, ale i tak 
KC> (pomimo uruchomienia z dzialajacym SI nie udalo mi sie wydobyc z niego seriala,
KC> a moze jestem slepy?)
KC> Jezeli wiec mozna, to prosilbym bardzo o wskazowki,
KC> jak postepowac, by wyluskac ten kod.
Na poczatek MUSISZ WYLACZYC (w Autoexec'u !) SI !!! Choc nawet to moze
nie wystrczyc ;-) Lepiej po prostu odinstalowac SI ...

Rafal Platek, autor Pajaczka, jest jednym z nas. Moze on Ci pomoze ...



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Czesc

Jako ze wciaz cierpie na brak czasu, wiedzy crackerskiej i doswiadczenia :-( 
zmuszony potrzeba posiadania programiku ktory by zgrywal do kompa muzyke nie tylko
z CD siadlem sobie w pracy na 2 godz. do programiku (nadzoru chwilowo nie bylo -
zreszta i tak nie wie co sie w ogole w tym komputerze dzieje :-)) ). Po dlugich i 
nie udanych poszukiwaniach kodu postanowilem chociaz wylanczyc rejestracje, lub
zeby rejestrowal byle co (wersja demo moze zczytac do 40s muzyki), a oto co
znalazlem (list z Hiev):

8379F827	CMP	D,[ECX][-0008],027
756D		JNE	000408D89		<-- 2 X NOP
6A00		PUSH	000
		|
	pare linijek
		|
85C0		TEST 	EAX,EAX
755D		JNE 	000408D89		<-- 2 X NOP
E850B40300	CALL	000444181

Te NOPy ignoruja zly serial + name

85C9		TEST 	ECX,ECX
7517		JNE	000408D10		<-- JMP
6A00		PUSH 	000

Ten JMP powoduje ze nie trzeba wpisywac danych rejestracji tylko kliknac OK.

Wiadomo dziala tylko do zakonczenia programu bo potem trzeba znowu OK. Wiem ze to
nie jest dobre crackerskie rozwiazanie ale mnie na razie wystarcza.  Jezeli ktos
chce sie tym pobawic to jest na ENTER CD 3/2000/1   plik    totrec21.exe

Soft Ice 4.05 + Hiev 6.16

W ramach luzow bede jeszcze probowal zeby sie sam rejestrowal po uruchomieniu.

Czesc prawdziwym Crackerom

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Witam

Ma pewien problem i prosze o pomoc. Posiadam plik spakowany
najprawdopodobniej UPX-em, ale ma on uszkochony nag=B3owek pliku. Zmienilem
nazwy sekcji na UPX0 i UPX1 ale nic to nie dalo. Po rozpakowaniu Pocdump-em
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potrafi rozpakowac pliki spakowane wczesniejsza wersja. Jakby ktos byl
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Czesc

> Jak WY przenosicie tekst z Hiev lub z Sice do listu zeby nie trzeba go
> bylo mozolnie wklepywac (latwo o pomylke)???

W Hiewie: Alt+P   
A jak chcesz zgrac do pliku fragment kodu to najpierw
dajesz * i strzalkami zaznaczasz interesujacy Cie fragment
(hehe, pewnie cos, co sie zaczyna w stylu MOV BYTE PTR AL,[ESI])
Potem dajesze znowu * i F2 

W SoftICE: najpierw ustaw sobie kod w okienku kodu w SoftICE tak,
aby na samej gorze byla pierwsza interesujaca Cie linia kodu.
Potem wiadomo: U codeaddr L n, gdzie n jest iloscia bajtow
jakie chcesz deasemblowac. Mozna wylaczyc okno kodu: WC
Teraz w loaderze z menu File wybierz Save SoftICE History As...
Lub uzyj programiku z katalogu \Util6\:
DLOG.EXE nazwa_logu
W SotICE, jesli chcesz zrobic zrzut z proga DOSowego lub 16-bit
windosowskiego, musisz dokladniej podac adres do deasemblacji:

U cs:xxxx l n



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On Thu, 9 Mar 2000, [iso-8859-2] Mi=B3y wrote:

> Propos Ntka
> Te=BF jestem ciekawy, wi=EAc podaj swojego priva
> 
sorki nie zrozumialem....
priva mam podac przecie masz moj email:))
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> Hi,
>
> Prosze o podpowiedz, jak zabrac sie do usuniecia naga pojawiajacego sie na
> starcie i koncu tego softu.
> Z 15 dniowym trialem sobie poradzilem, a za naga za bardzo nie wiem jak
sie
> wziac?

Ustaw pulapke na dialogboxparama, uruchoma proga, zadziala pulapka, f11 i
powinienes wyladadowac przy call'u dialogboxparama, teraz po prostu go
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Hi,
Znalazlem (w pliku About.dll) i zanopowalem...
i zaczal sie wywalac (krytyczny wyjatek itd...)
Czyzby jakas suma kontrolna?

Pozdro.
Padre.
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> 
> Ustaw pulapke na dialogboxparama, uruchoma proga, zadziala pulapka, f11 i
> powinienes wyladadowac przy call'u dialogboxparama, teraz po prostu go
> znopuj i powinno byc cacy.
> 



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czy ktos z szanownych Grupowiczow mieszka moze w 3miescie ?
Kontakt z jakims doswiadczonym ;) osobnikiem bardzo by mi pomogl ..
Pozdrawiam

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przedstawiam ponizej projekt wykladu nt. crack i zabezpieczen
wszelkie uwagi i komentarze mile widziane
wyklad bedzie konczyl sie kolokwium, chyba ze ktos wykaze sie
doswiadczeniem praktycznym

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Program wyk=B3adu:
? wprowadzenie w problematyk=EA bezpiecze=F1stwa kodu program=F3w (1h)
? mechanizmy asemblerowe wspomagaj=B1ce ochron=EA kodu (3h)
? mechanizmy systemowe (Win32) wspieraj=B1ce ochron=EA programu (3h)
? mechanizmy sprz=EAtowe rozszerzaj=B1ce mo=BFliwo=B6ci ochrony (3h)
? typowe narz=EAdzia stosowane w zabezpieczaniu program=F3w (2h)
? popularne narz=EAdzia stosowane w "odbezpieczaniu" program=F3w (2h)
? podstawowe metody zabezpieczania kodu programu (4h)
? podstawowe metody "reverse engineering" w oprogramowaniu (4h)
? zaawansowane techniki zabezpiecze=F1 przed "reverse engineers" (2h)
? zaawansowane techniki omijania zabezpiecze=F1 przed "reverse engineers" (2h)
? przyk=B3ad rozbudowanego zabezpieczenia i metod ataku (2h)
? ochrona program=F3w w j=EAzyku Java (bytecode) i JavaScript (2h)

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> Hi,
> Znalazlem (w pliku About.dll) i zanopowalem...
> i zaczal sie wywalac (krytyczny wyjatek itd...)
> Czyzby jakas suma kontrolna?

Musialbym spojrzec w proga dokladnie, to co napisalem wczesniej wiem ze sie
sprawdzilo w jakims innym progsie ulead'a, nie pamietam jak sie nazywal ale
zmian trzeba bylo dokonac w u32cfg.dll. Postaram sie znalezc instalke tego
cool'a i zobaczymy ....


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> czy ktos z szanownych Grupowiczow mieszka moze w 3miescie ?
> Kontakt z jakims doswiadczonym ;) osobnikiem bardzo by mi pomogl ..


*Mieszkam... Ale nie kontaktuje sie z nikim... :(

Zdrowko
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Czesc

Po dlugiej zabawie z RPModemem udalo mi sie napisac generator seriali.
Zainteresowanych temetem prosze na priv.

                                                                            
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> > czy ktos z szanownych Grupowiczow mieszka moze w 3miescie ?
> > Kontakt z jakims doswiadczonym ;) osobnikiem bardzo by mi pomogl ..
> 
> 
> *Mieszkam... Ale nie kontaktuje sie z nikim... :(

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From:           	"Lennon" <lennon@go2.pl>
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> Hi
> 
> Moze bys skrobnol malego tutorka jak skrsczyles Zuzie 99 !!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> Lennon
> 

	jesli chodzi o zuzie to to takie proste zabezpieczenie ze 
srednio zdolna pensjonarka sobie poradzi:)) ale moze sluzyc jako 
dobre wprowadzenie w zagadnienie zabezpieczen sprzetowych:) 
j jak sa jacys chetni to napisze jakies cus o podstawach lamania 
tego typu zabezpieczen:) requesty na priva :) jak sie znajdzie paru 
chetnych to napisze a jak nie- to po co????
Lennon? a skad ty wogole masz mojego maila??? i moze ty z 
uopu albo co?:))
a tutorka napisze ci tylko wytlumacz co jak gdzie i skad bo nie 
chce lamac czegokolwiek po to zeby ktos mial z tego kase albo 
cos..... a ze prog kosztuje 1950 zl... a w internecie pelna wersja do 
sciagniecia z adarmo.... to juz ich madrosc:))) no... prawie pelna:))))
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Hi
> Czesc
>
> Po dlugiej zabawie z RPModemem udalo mi sie napisac generator seriali.
> Zainteresowanych temetem prosze na priv.
>
>
>                     -=BarT=-
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> Trialka windows 2000 Pr nie chce mi sie wytrialkowac...przestawilem zegar
na
> 2001 i nic... ;-?
> ani komunikatu ani naga ani nawet messageboxa...co jest?
>
> Pozdr.
> MusK

moze trial zalezy od numeru seryjnego, ktory sie wprowadza???
a moze to tylko zmyla, albo problemem jest bootloader;
ale wierze, ze po 4 miesiacach i tak bedzie sie nadawal to reinastalacji;

ale naprawde jest cool; voodoo2 lazi;
Zoltrix nie mial sterownikow, pisali , ze zoltrixy nie laza; a tu u mnie
mojego Spirita bez problemy wykryl (a na NT 4.0 mialem jakies problemy z
portami i nie moglem sie polaczyc);

tylko nie mam driverow dla drukarki Lexmark 1100! czy ma ktos??? bo win
wykryl serie 1000, ale nie widzi drukarki; a poza tym wszystko inne OK!!!!!!
naprawde swietnie jest przejsc z win98!!!!!!!

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Cze :)

>czy ktos z szanownych Grupowiczow mieszka moze w 3miescie ?
>Kontakt z jakims doswiadczonym ;) osobnikiem bardzo by mi >pomogl ..


    No to jak szukamy, to kto mieszka ( oprocz Nadola ) w Warszawie lub
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Zeby z powodu bezczynnosci mozgowia nie przerobiono Was z crackerow 
na krakersy mam male zadanko.
Jest klient FTP - Bullet FTP (czy tez Bullet Proof FTP, mniejsza z tym) w 
wersji 1.5. Calkiem przyjemny bo osbluguje m.in. resume i proxy.
Wersja demo jest full-functional, ale wylacza sie po 40 dniach.
Prog da sie zarejestrowac (keygen na astalavista dla leniwych), no ale
to jest za proste. :) Otoz program po uruchomieniu sciaga pliki, ale
nie informujac o tym uzytkownika sprawdza na serwerze autorow,
czy NAPRAWDE jest zarejestrowany, czy tylko uzyto keygena.
ZADANIE dla WAS: Znalezc w ciele progga procedure odpowiedzialna
za zdalne sprawdzanie i ... i scrackowac ja.

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13 marca 2000, -=BarT=- nabazgral:

B> Czesc

B> Po dlugiej zabawie z RPModemem udalo mi sie napisac generator seriali.
B> Zainteresowanych temetem prosze na priv.

Ja jestem zainteresowany - jesli mozesz to rzuc.
                                                                            

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> Hi
> > Czesc
> >
> > Po dlugiej zabawie z RPModemem udalo mi sie napisac generator seriali.
> > Zainteresowanych temetem prosze na priv.
> >
>>                   -=BarT=-
> to daj tego priva ;)
> 
> Plastek

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> Czesc !
> 
> wiem ze moze to pytanie bardziej na ASMPL (tylko tam jest troche pusto)
> mam pytanko na temat szkieletu programu:
> w win32 wyglada tak:
> 
>   .386                                     ; tu moze byc jeszcze
> .386p/.486/.486p
.586/.586p -;)

>   .MODEL Flat, STDCALL  ; Flat organizuje pamiec ale po co jest STDCALL
>   .DATA
>       <inicializacja danych>
>       ......
>   .DATA?
>      <tego nie rozumiem ??????? do czego toto jest>
najprosciej mowiac sa to dane dla ktorych program przy starcie alokuje
dane i nie obchodzi nikogo co bedzie np w zadeklarowanej tablicy. moze
na przykladzie:

jezeli w .data zadeklarujesz tablice
db 1024*1024 dup (0) to exec powiekszy ci sie o 1 MB. jezeli zadeklarujesz
to w .data? jako db 1024*1024 dup (?) to exec nie powiekszy ci sie ani o
bajt... tyle ze nie masz pewnosci ze tablica jest wypelniona zerami, ale
napisanie procki realizujacej takie cos jest kwestia sekund -;). zreszta
takie struktury lepiej sobie zaalokowac przez virtualalloc...
ostatnio mialem taka sytuacje... pisalem w masmie programik do kompresji
uzywajacy apliba... do procki pakujacej jest potrzebne 640 kilo pamieci
wiec dalem ja w .data? jako db 640*1024 dup (?)... wszystko bylo ok, ale
400-linijkowy program kompilowal sie ponad 1.5 minuty -;) gdy zmienilem
to na virtualalloc kompilacja przebiega o wiele szybciej... znaczy z 
normalna predkoscia...

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Czesc

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Hi

 00-03-10 o 10:41 czasu zimowego Padre napisal:

>Hi,
>Znalazlem (w pliku About.dll) i zanopowalem...
>i zaczal sie wywalac (krytyczny wyjatek itd...)
>Czyzby jakas suma kontrolna?

A co z uporzadkowaniem stosu?
DialogBoxParamA bierze 5 parametrow, wiec musisz albo uzupelnic jego wartosc
po pushach, albo je tez zanopowac.
Skoro usunales call'a to nic nie bedzie pobieralo tych 5 wartosci i prog sie wylozy
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> > Hi
> > > Czesc
> > >
> > > Po dlugiej zabawie z RPModemem udalo mi sie napisac generator seriali.
> > > Zainteresowanych temetem prosze na priv.
> > >
> >>                   -=BarT=-
> > to daj tego priva ;)
> >
> > Plastek
>
> Ja tez chce !!!!
> MJQ
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Hi !
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Hello woodka,

Monday, January 10, 2000, 4:05:07 PM, you wrote:

napisz woodka malego tutka sam sie czegos od madzejszych naucze nie
dla forsy lecz dla art-sztuki CRACK !
Chyba nie jestem sam zainteresowaniem tutka.
No wiec jak zbierzesz checi to pisz tutka o dziewczynie zwanej
" ZUZIA "

wpc> chce lamac czegokolwiek po to zeby ktos mial z tego kase albo 
wpc> cos..... a ze prog kosztuje 1950 zl... a w internecie pelna wersja do 
wpc> sciagniecia z adarmo.... to juz ich madrosc:))) no... prawie pelna:))))
wpc>  trzymka all                                    woody

chyba nie obraziles sie za poprawke w adresie do zuzi.
Oswiadczam tez ze nie jestem zadnym dupkiem UOP-uuuuu.

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Czesc wszystkim !!

wielkie dzieki za informacje i wyjasnienie

Ptasiek napisal
>Moze glupia uwaga, ale po co zabierasz sie do opisywana czegos na czym sie nieznasz?

1.po czesci rozumiem a chce bardziej zrozumiec
2.takie teksty lepiej pisza osoby ktore dopiero sie ucza zagadnienia
    tekst jest pozbawiony ogolnikow , bo prawie wszystko dla takiej
    osoby jest nowoscia.
3.lacze przyjemne z porzytecznym (ucze sie i pisze tekst dla osob podobnych
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> Czesc
Witaj
> Po dlugiej zabawie z RPModemem udalo mi sie napisac generator seriali.
> Zainteresowanych temetem prosze na priv.
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>                     -=BarT=-
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Ich bin zainteresowany ;)
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[...]
A> 1.po czesci rozumiem a chce bardziej zrozumiec
A> 2.takie teksty lepiej pisza osoby ktore dopiero sie ucza zagadnienia
A>     tekst jest pozbawiony ogolnikow , bo prawie wszystko dla takiej
A>     osoby jest nowoscia.
A> 3.lacze przyjemne z porzytecznym (ucze sie i pisze tekst dla osob podobnych
A>     do mnie)
Wybacz te uwage, ale z nauka cos Ci nie "wychodzi" ;-)
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nawet nie jest kwestia "dobrego smaku" ! Tego nie da sie tez
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Witam,

Tych, ktorzy jeszcze nie zabrali sie do ankiety jeszcze raz bardzo prosze o
odpowiedz na jej pytania. Narazie mam 42 odpowiedzi, a dla rzetelno=B6ci
badania dobrze by bylo miec nawet wiecej niz 100 :-), wiec.... zapraszam,
zapraszam :-)

Ankieta jest na forum, wyslalem ja 07/03/2000 11:52

Pozdrawiam i czekam na odpowiedzi! :-)

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Ja te=BF!... Please.
=A6lij na alpha@alpha.net.pl

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| > Czesc
| Witaj
| > Po dlugiej zabawie z RPModemem udalo mi sie napisac generator seriali.
| > Zainteresowanych temetem prosze na priv.
| >
| >
| >                     -=3DBarT=3D-
| >
| Ich bin zainteresowany ;)
| Z gory dzienki
| Dr Who
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mam do szanownych grupowiczow jedno pytanko
spieeprzylem sobie dysk wyciagajac kiedy byl pod napieciem ..of coz
partycje zostaly ale sa problemy z mberem
wiec pragnolem zrobic wsio od nowa czyli partycje potem poformatowac ale
dupa
fdisk wysiada : bylo tak ze na samym poczatku widzial 3 partycje jedna
fat-16 na winde inna na linuxa i swap ..skasowalem je i chcialem zrobic
wsio od nowa bo o fromatowaniu nie bylo mowy ...bledy straszne..
lecz kaplica fdisk wysiada ..komunikat blad dysku stalego
diskdruid takze ..
czy to jest oznaka ze dysk padl??? 
aha partycja c: zostala widac wsie katalogi tylko FAT poszedl ...slownik
jakos trzeba odbudowac ..
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Witam wszystkich,
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On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, tato@pertus.com.pl wrote:

> poszukuje "rozpiski" algorytmu MD5 ! Ma moze ktos z Was "pod reka" cos
> takiego ? Gdyby sie dalo to na priv ...

Jesli chodzi Ci o implementacje to na
ftp://ftp.icm.edu.pl/pub/security/replay/crypto/HASH/mds/ jest kilka
implementacji MD5 (i innych MDx). Opisy budowy oraz kryptoanalize tego
algorytmy znajdziesz w /pub/security/replay/crypto/HASH/papers/

MD5 to bardzo popularny algorytm, wiec poza tym w/w w sieci jest bardzo
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wielkie SOORY 
masz racje tato byl to niewybaczalny blad z mojej strony
niema usprawiedliwienia :))

> Wybacz te uwage, ale z nauka cos Ci nie "wychodzi" ;-)
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Cze wszystkim !,
prosze was o pomoc - od pewnego czasu probuje sie do mnie wlamac
jakis hacker! mam zainstalowanego Lockdowna 2000 - pokazuje probe
wlamania i rozlacza siee z tym gostkiem pokazujac jego IP
wiem skad sie loczy (server tpsy) lockdown wykazuje net busa
ale Cleaner nie wykrywa u mnie zadnego trojana wiec  o co
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 00-03-11 o 23:41 czasu zimowego ALbi napisal:

>Czesc wszystkim !!
>
>wielkie dzieki za informacje i wyjasnienie
>
>Ptasiek napisal
>>Moze glupia uwaga, ale po co zabierasz sie do opisywana czegos na czym sie nieznasz?
>
>1.po czesci rozumiem a chce bardziej zrozumiec

Godne pochwaly, ale co to ma do rzeczy
IMHO od dawien dawna uwazalem, ze gros niezbednych na poczatku podstaw da sie
zdobyc jedynie poprzez zaznajomienie sie z informacjami o ww. tworzonymi przez ludzi siedzacych w temacie.
Ale coz, widocznie czasy sie zmieniaja...

>2.takie teksty lepiej pisza osoby ktore dopiero sie ucza zagadnienia
>    tekst jest pozbawiony ogolnikow , bo prawie wszystko dla takiej
>    osoby jest nowoscia.

Ofszem lecz z drugiej strony txcior by newbie nie daje pelnego merytorycznego wyjasnienia danego problemu czy zagadnienia, 
co wiecej moze w pewnym stopniu dezinformowac niezaznajomionego z tematem czytacza.

>3.lacze przyjemne z porzytecznym (ucze sie i pisze tekst dla osob podobnych
>    do mnie)

hehe, chyba raczej trenujesz celnosc wstukiwania palcow w klawiaturke:)

>
>pozdrowienia
>ALbi




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Hi,

A co z uporzadkowaniem stosu?
DialogBoxParamA bierze 5 parametrow, wiec musisz albo uzupelnic jego wartosc
po pushach, albo je tez zanopowac.
Skoro usunales call'a to nic nie bedzie pobieralo tych 5 wartosci i prog sie
wylozy
na najblizszej instrukcji korzystajacej ze stosu.

Faktycznie, dzieki juz poszlo...


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	O w mordeczke :)) widze ze odzew wiekszy niz sie 
spodziewalem:) wiec do dziela. Na poczatek:
1.wszystkich przepraszam za bledny url do proga
2.Pmaciol: powiedz gdzie jeszcze sprawdza, bo ja tego proga nie 
uzywalem:)) sprawdzilem wszystko co bylo dostepne i .. ok.
3.Wojciech Dymek: sproboj umiescic cracka w katalogu z 
Zuzanka i bedzie wszystko w porzadku.musi byc w tym samym 
katalogu co program zuzia99.exe
4. Jak narobilem zamieszania to przepraszam:P
5. Tutor n/t dongli juz do was wszystkich jedzie:) nastepna poczta 
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> > > czy ktos z szanownych Grupowiczow mieszka moze w 3miescie ?
> > > Kontakt z jakims doswiadczonym ;) osobnikiem bardzo by mi pomogl ..
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> > *Mieszkam... Ale nie kontaktuje sie z nikim... :(
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> Tajnos agentos ?

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	No dobra... Zgodnie z obietnica.
Na poczatek male wprowadzonko.
	Zasadniczo mamy kilka rodzajow kluczy sprzetowych:
1.Najprostrzy- HASP-3
2.MEMO-HASP (memo-hasp1 ma 112 bajtow pamieci zapis-
odczyt, i memo-hasp4 ktory ma 496 bajtow)
3.NET-HASP (mozna podlaczyc tylko jeden klucz w sieci do 
korzystania przez wszystkie podstacje)
4.HASP 36 (zlacze centronics - 36 wyprowadzen)
5.TIME-HASP (posiada wbudowany, wewnetrzny zegar)
	Ogolnie rzecz biorac klucz sprzetowy to takie male 
elektroniczne urzadzonko ktore podlaczamy do portu drukarki.
Wyglada toto jak przejsciowka wiec oczywiscie drukarke 
podlaczamy do klucza, a klucz do portu w komputerze.
(moze niektorzy sie beda smiali z politowaniem ze tak 
lopatologicznie ale mysle ze trzeba zaczac od zupelnych podstaw)
	Metody sprawdzania klucza:
1.1 Wprowadzamy kod sprawdzajacy do exe, procedurka ktora 
mozemy wywolac z programu
procedurka laczy sie z kluczem i zwraca nastepujace bledy:
1.brak klucza(hehe)
2.nieprawidlowy klucz
3.program jest zmodyfikowany
4.brak autoryzacji
5.przekroczony czas
6. brak odpowiedzi z managera licencji(tylko nethasp)
7.zbyt wielu uzytkownikow(tylko nethasp)
8.skonczyl sie czas licencji(tylko timehasp)
1.2 API (np dll) plik do ktorego program sie odwoluje i sprawdza 
klucz, mozna uzyskac pelen dostep do pamieci klucza(wrrrr np 
umiescic w nim fragment procedury)
1.3 rezydentny driver haspa (domyslne przerwanie int 63h)
mozliwosci takie same jak API
	Jak wspomnialem rozne klucze maja rozna wielkosc pamieci 
ale maja...co daje praktycznie nieograniczone mozliwosci 
programiscie:(((
	Mozna w pamieci klucza umiescic fragment kodu, procedurke 
szyfrujaca albo odwolania do waznych funkcji programu....
	Zabezpieczenia w ktorych programisci umiescili takie "kwiatki"
jjak np fragment kodu w kluczu sa bardzo trudne do zlamania
	W takich przypadkach najczesciej trzeba baaaardzo dlugo i 
zmyslnie kombinowac, bo jezeli nie ma sie dzialajacego klucza, to 
trzeba po prostu wymyslic co tam ma byc(przy stosowaniu 
memohasp 4 ktory ma 496 bajtow pamieci mozna w nim umiescic 
calkiem spora procedurke lub ogromnie dlugie haselko do 
rozszyfrowania dalszej czesci proga! wrrrrr....)
	W przypadku kiedy spotkam sie z takim kluczem 
...przewaznie licze na komercyjne podejscie programistow...polega 
to na tym, ze prawie wszystkie programy, takze te zabezpieczone 
kluczem posiadaja umieszczana w internecie albo na plytkach 
wersje demo.... ktora moze nam bardzo wiele powiedziec o 
zadanej zawartosci klucza...
	kiedys robilem takiego proga, ktory zadal klucza i zawieral w 
nim procedurke ktora umozliwiala dalsza prace programu... 
szczegoly niewazne..:)) w kazdym razie juz chcialem spasowac i 
wtedy pomyslalem o wersji demo...
	Byla strasznie pocieta.... ale procedurke z klucza miala jak na 
dloni w execu:)))))
	Ogolnie czasem ciezko walczyc z kluczem ale lenistwo 
programistow nie zna granic....
Wiec zamiast wypisywac skomplikowane procedury i kombinowac 
z szyfrowaniem execa... po prostu kaza programowi sprawdzac 
czy jest klucz... albo czy zwraca odpowiednie wartosci(Zuzia99!!!)
a obejcie takich zabezpieczen jest bardzo proste...
	Z reguly aby dobrac sie do klucza musimy ustawic pulapke na 
dostep do portu, czyli :    BPIO 378  (trzeba sprawdzic od 0378 do 
037f h)
lub BPIO -h 378
jjezeli program korzysta np z hasp95.vxd.Parametr -h podajemy 
dlatego, ze hasp95.vxd pracuje w ring 0 a nasz program w ring 3
Oczywiscie programisci a takze programy do obslugi haspa 
stosuja rozne dziwne sztuczki anty-si i wtedy bpio moze nie 
dzialac...Wtedy stosujemy podobne metody jak do "rozbrajania"
zwyklych progow.Przede wszystkim obserwujemy program, czy 
daje jakies komunikaty, (sprawdzamy jakie), deasemblujemy itd..
Czyli robimy to wszystko co sie robi z kazdym progiem:)))
	Hmm. to tyle tytulem krotkiego wprowadzenia.Zaznaczam ze 
ten tekst jest dla ludzi ktorzy nie maja doswiadczenia z donglami i 
mysla ze klucz sprzetowy to takie strasznie trudne cos dla kogos 
kto jest bardzo zaawansowanym crackerem:))))  No coz... czasem 
tak jest ale trudnosc zlamania programow zabezpieczonych 
kluczem jest tak samo rozna jak w przypadku zwyklych 
programow..Sa takie z ktorymi poradzi sobie newbie, a sa i takie 
nad ktorymi najtezsze umysly siedza miesiacami...
	Tyle na poczatek. Niedlugo drugi odcinek pod tytulem "O czym 
szumia dongle"- czyli sposoby komunikowania sie z kluczem i 
dokladny opis kodow.
	Jezeli ktos zauwazyl tu okropne bzdury to prosze zaraz 
podnosic alarm i to public, zeby sie ludzie glupot nie uczyli:))
Za chwilke wysle tutorka n/t Zuzi...reset by beer
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> hehe, chyba raczej trenujesz celnosc wstukiwania palcow w klawiaturke:)

dla informacji wszystkich PISZE juz bardzo szybko :))
kazdy ma rozne podejscie do zagadnienia zdobywania wiedzy i jej
przekazywania...
ale taka dyskusja nie ma sensu
temat uwazam za zakonczony :)

pozdrowienia

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<FontFamily><param>Courier New CE</param>
)</paraindent>

015F:005865D3  B80D000000          MOV       EAX,0000000D</paraindent>

015F:005865D8  EB0C                JMP       005865E6                (JUMP 
<FontFamily><param>Arial</param>
	Poniewaz sporo ludzi wyrazilo chec poczytania n/t jak rozbroic 
ZUZIE..wiec spiesze z pomoca:)))

Cel: Zuzia99 wersja 5.24( inne pewnie tez:)

skad: www.datacomp.com.pl (Amadeusz- dzieki za sprawdzenie 
urla)

narzedzia: sice , hiev i troche mozgu


	Program wazy ponad 20 mega i baaaardzo dlugo zjezdzal do 
mnie na dysk...

Postanowilem rozbic tego tutora na dwa... jeden dla "kumatych" 

i drugi dla newbies:))

wiec: 

1.Tutor dla kumatych: bpio nie idzie??? no to messageboxa... i 
wszystko.... koniec tutora:)))))))

2.Tutor dla newbies

	Zuzia99 to program do robienia kosztorysow w firmach 
budowlanych.Po sciagnieciu i zainstalowaniu program sie 
uruchamia ale po probie stworzenia nowego kosztorysu wypisuje 
piekny napisik: Blad fatalny! Nie autoryzowana kopia 
programu.Klucz zabezpieczajacy musi byc w jednym z portow 
drukarki LPT1 lub LPT2.

Wiec coz... trzebaby sie tego napisu pozbyc....

	poniewaz program zada wlozenia klucza sprzetowego, wiec od 
razu wiadomo ze jest takowym zabezpieczony:)))

Poniewaz program sam pisze ze klucz musi byc w jednym z 
portow drukarki, wiec nasuwa sie od razu, ze jakos musial  
sprawdzic, czy ten klucz w porcie drukarki siedzi....

Skoro sprawdzil i wyszlo ze nie siedzi wiec wyswietlil piekny 
napisik i grzecznie zwinal manatki...wiec jak zmusic go zeby 
pomyslal, ze jednak ten klucz tam siedzi skoro my go nie mamy, 
bo przeciez nie wydalismy 2000 na program...

hmm trzebaby przejac program w momencie sprawdzania czy jest 
klucz... a wiec w momencie laczenia sie programu z czym?? z 
portem drukarki oczywiscie!!!  Poniewaz klucz jest POZA 
komputrem, wiec program musi stosowac instrukcje we-wy.

Na szczescie madry softice ma taki bajerek jak bpio...

czyli breakpoint na instrukcje we-wy...

Skladnia jest nastepujaca: bpio port lub bpio -h port

gdzie port to ... port:))) standardowo port drukarki to 0378 do 037f 

wiec z reguly ustawiamy breakpointy na kolejne porty od 0378 h

do 037f h

wiec bpio 0378...

nic

bpio 0379...

nic

bpio... nic..

hmm

przygladajac sie programowi, stwierdzamy ze korzysta on z 
hasp95.vxd...

ten kto czytal moje wprowadzonko o donglach wie, ze toto chodzi 
w ring0 wiec trzeba dodac parametr -h ...

wiec od nowa bpio -h 0378...

nic..

i do konca nic

Gdyby nie lenistwo programistow w tym momencie bylbym lekko w 
kropce...aloe cos jednak mamy:))) a co takiego???

Wlasnie!!!!! ten wstretny napisik ktory program grzecznie wyswietla 
nam , aby poinformowac, ze jestesmy zlodziejami....

takie wstretne napisiki najczesciej (bo najprosciej ) wyswietla sie 
korzystajac z funkcki API.Dop wyswietlania napisikow sluzy m-in 
funkcja messageboxa (to a oznacza ze to program 32 bitowy)

oczywiscie sa jeszcze inne metody zeby wyswietlic napisik i wiele 
z nich korzysta z wywolania funkcji API. a jakie to sa.. sprawdzcie 
sobie sami:P nie moze byc za prosto..A... gdyby sie zdarzyl ktos 
kto nie wie co to API: to taki zestaw podrecznych procedurek 
umieszczonych w plikach systemu windows....Akurat 
messageboxa znajduje sie w pliku user32.dll.Zeby wyswietlic taki 
wstretny napisik nalezy wrzucic na stos (rozkaz PUSH) parametry 
napisiku: czyli tzw uchwyt okna(w ktorym miejscu ma byc, 
szerokosc i wysokosc) ilosc znakow napisiku i oczywiscie adres 
skad ma pobrac tekst

wyglada to w naszej zuzi tak:


<FontFamily><param>Courier New CE</param>015F:005865B3        PUSH      ECX

015F:005865B4        MOV     EAX,[EBX*4+005B0B14]

015F:005865BB        PUSH      EAX

015F:005865BC        PUSH      EDX

015F:005865BD        PUSH      00

015F:005865BF        CALL USER32!MessageBoxA

015F:005865C4        MOV       EBX,EAX


<FontFamily><param>Arial</param>Po wrzuceniu na stos wszystkich parametrow wywolywana jest 
funkcja i .. wyswietlany napisik.

Zeby wiec dojsc do miejsca w ktorym program sprawdz obecnosc 
klucza, musimy isc nastepujacym tokiem rozumowania:

1.program sprawdza czy jest klucz

2.jest wiec NIE WYswietlam napisiku tylko wykonuje to co mam 
wykonywac

3.nie ma wiec WYSWIETLAM napisik i zwijam manele...

wiec co?? KAZDY kto zlamal jakikolwiek program wie ze 
przewaznie PRZED wyswietleniem takiego okienka MUSI byc 
sprawdzenie warunku jego wyswietlania.. 

Ale jak znalezc sie PRZED???? skoro widzimy okienko juz w 
trakcie jego wyswietlania??
Ano to wcale nie takie trudne .. zakladamy pulapke na 
wyswietlenie okienka, a cofniemy sie troszecdzke pozniej..

wiec: bpx messageboxa

uruchamiamy program i probojemy utworzyc nowy kosztorys: 

kosztorys-nowy

bach!!! jestsmy w sice ale oczywiscie w srodku funkcji 
wyswietlajacej a nie w zuzi..zeby z tej funkcji wyjsc, uzywamy f12

czyli dokladnie : idz az do napotkania instrukcji RET , czyli az do 
powrotu z funkcji.Czasem okaze sie ze jeszcze nie trafilismy do 
programu glownego tylko do jakiejs innej funkcji API i wtedy trzeba 
troche sie na efdwunastowac:))) az zobaczymy na dolnej belce 
kodu: zuzia99.exe

zobaczymy taki fragment:


<FontFamily><param>Courier New CE</param>015F:005865BF   CALL      USER32!MessageBoxA

015F:005865C4   MOV       EBX,EAX

015F:005865C6   DEC       EBX

015F:005865C7   JZ        005865D3               
 (JUMP )

015F:005865E6   POP       EBX

015F:005865E7   MOV       ESP,EBP

015F:005865E9   POP       EBP

015F:005865EA   RET

015F:005865FC   ADD       ESP,08

015F:005865FF   POP       EBP

015F:00586600   RET

<FontFamily><param>Arial</param>Jak widac program wykonuje pare instrukcji i wychodzi z funkcji...

poruszamy sie teraz uzywajac znow f12 bo program doleci do RET 
pod adresem 005865EA

i wyjdziemy z tej funkcji rowniez

znajdziemy sie przy wyjsciu z kolejnej funkcji i znowu f12 az do 
RET

i jestesmy tu:


<color><param>0100,0100,0100</param><FontFamily><param>Courier New CE</param>015F:004333C8   PUSH EDX

015F:004333C9   PUSH 00002345

015F:004333CE   PUSH 02

015F:004333D0   CALL 004832E8

015F:004333D5   ADD  ESP,1C

015F:004333D8   CMP   DWORD PTR [EBP-5C],000007BB

015F:004333DF   JZ  004333F6  (NO JUMP)!!!!!

015F:004333E1   PUSH      40

015F:004333E3   CALL      005865EC <<stad wylazles

015F:005865EC   PUSH      EBP <<i jestes tu

015F:005865ED   MOV       EBP,ESP

015F:005865EF   LEA       EAX,[EBP+0C]

015F:005865F2   PUSH      EAX

015F:005865F3   MOV       DL,[EBP+08]

015F:005865F6   PUSH      EDX

015F:005865F7   CALL      00586574


<FontFamily><param>Arial</param>Hmmm pod adresem 004333E3 znajduje sie wywolanie funkcji 
wyswietlajacej nasz wstretny napisik...dwie linijki przedtem , w 
miejscu oznaczonym wykrzyknikami mamy cmp dword... czyli 
porownaj... itd i potem... skok warunkowy...

huehue... jak zobaczylem to pierwszy raz to pomyslalem: eeeee

to nie moze byc takie proste:)))

ale bylo...

Chyba juz wiesz co robic prawda???

Poniewaz w przypadku ustawionej flegi zero program OMIJA 
procke wyswietlajaca naga.. wiec... mozeby go zmusic do skoku 
obojetnie w jakich warunkach???

ale najpierw to sprawdzimy...

ustawiamy pulapke na miejsce sprawdzania flagi: bpx 004333D8 
(cmp....)

i odpalamy proga jeszcze raz.

Znow usilujemy utworzyc nowy kosztorys i... ladujemy w sice w 
mijscu cmp...pod adresem 4333D8

widac ze wartosci porownywane nie sa ze soba rowne wiec 
program nie skoczy....chyba ze mu kazemy....:))))

no to do dziela: wpisz r fl z 

czyli: zmien stan flagi zero na przeciwny...

i juz :) program "mysli" , ze flagi sa rowne:)) i skacze

naciskamy F5 zeby wyjsc z sice i zobaczyc jaki to dalo efekt...

Pieeeeeeeeknie!!!!!

:)))))))))))

dziala:)))

bez problemu tworzymy nowy kosztorys i program nie wyswietyla 
zadnych okropnych okienek:))

No coz... Lenistwo programistow nie zna granic... ograniczyli sie 
do takiego wlasnioe sprawdzenia danych z klucza w kilku 
miejscach programu....

wiec... wystarczy znalezc te miejsca w ktorych wyswietla napisik i 
w kazdym z nich zamienic skok warunkowy jz o mnemoniku 74 na 
skok BEZWARUNKOWY czyli niezalezny od poprzedniego 
porownania:)), o mnemoniku EB

Hmm jeszcze tylko drobiazg...

Jak to znalezc w execu???
prosciutko:))) metod sa setki ale ja stosuje taka: 

wpisz code on

a sice pokaze ci mnemoniki kodu w heksach:

<FontFamily><param>Courier New CE</param>015F:004333C8  52             PUSH      EDX

015F:004333C9  6845230000     PUSH      00002345

015F:004333CE  6A02           PUSH      02


<FontFamily><param>Arial</param>I mamy: push edx to 52...

p[ush 02 to 6A02... itd

wiec miejsce w ktorym nalezy zmienic 74 na eb wyglada po 
spisaniu fragmentu kodu tak:

817DA4BB070000 <<- </color><FontFamily><param>Courier New CE</param>CMP   DWORD PTR [EBP-5C],000007BB<color><param>0100,0100,0100</param><FontFamily><param>Arial</param>

7415 <<- </color><FontFamily><param>Courier New CE</param>JZ  004333F6 

<FontFamily><param>Arial</param>6A40 <<-push 40

spisujemy wiec cyferki po kolei pamietajac , ze nalezy 74 czyli jz

zmienic na eb czyli jmp (near)

i uruchamiamy obojetnie jaki hex-edytor z funkcja szukania:

kazemy mu szukac danego ciagu cyferek... ja z reguly spisuje z 7-
8 przed interesujaca komorka i tyle samo za

jak znajdzie - sprawdzam czy takiego samego ciagu nie ma 
czasem  w innym miejscu programu... (z reguly nie ma)

a jak jest to spisuje wiecej....hehe

I jak juz znajdziesz interesujace "miejsce" zamieniasz 74 na eb...

i tyle...:))

zuzia 99 jest w pelni dzialajaca:))) aaa

bylbym zapomnial... tak samo musisz "rozpracowac" WSZYSTKIE

miejsca w ktorych progrzm sprawdza obecnosc klucza:))

no ... to by bylo na tyle:))

I znowu swoje... Jak ktos zauwazyl tu jakies straszne bzdety to 
niech napisze publicznie mnie napietnuje i wogole:))

aa i Jakby ktos chcial z tego zrobic jakiegos"normalnego" tutoriala 
to nie mam przeciwwskazan:))

i jeszcze: opinie mile widziane OBIEKTYWNE :)))

wiecie ... nie kazdy powinien pisac tutory bo tylko meczy innych 
kazac im je czytac:)) jesli wiec ktos czegos nie zrozumial albo 
uwaza ze to do d.... to niech napisze:))

trzymajcie sie all

		Woody



















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Dzieki za tego tutorka, fajna sprawa dla poczatkujacych lamaczy dongli(czyli ja)  : )
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Sorry za lamerskie pytanie ale nie wiem do kogo sie z nim zwrocic
poszukuje algorytmu ,lub gotowego programu w dowolnym jezyku
najlepiej Pascal lub Delphi
do zczytywania buforu klawiatury
powiedzmy zczytania 15 znakow i zapisania ich do pliku
program musi robic to w tle nie moze byc zauwazony
i musi gdzies wynik wciskanych klawiszy zapisywac
w formie dowolnej ale zrozumialej

System dzialania Win NT
cel zczytania wpisywanego hasla do programu
komputer dziala normalnie ,ale zabezpieczony jest dostep do i-netu
i tylko nieliczni znaja haslo
a ja tez chce je poznac

serdeczne dzieki
i przepraszam


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hehe, bart... ktos probuje ci podpie~1 xywe -;)

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wpc> Postanowilem rozbic tego tutora na dwa... jeden dla "kumatych"
wpc> i drugi dla newbies:))
Zrozumialem oba tutory ! Wiec jak jest ze mna - "kumaty" czy "newbies"
?! ;-)))

wpc> 1.Tutor dla kumatych: bpio nie idzie??? no to messageboxa... i
wpc> wszystko.... koniec tutora:)))))))
Bardziej podobal mi sie ten dla "kumatych" ... Ideal tutora: taki zwarty,
przemyslany, bez zbednych upiekszen. Silnie przemawia do wyobrazni ...
Az chcialoby sie ciagnac te 20 MB i przesledzic tok rozumowania autora
;-)))

Troche wprawdzie zaciemniaja obraz wstawki typu
"<FontFamily><param>Arial</param>" ! Nigdzie: ani w SoftIce, ani pod
Hiew nie widzac takich napisow ! Nie udalo mi sie tez zastawic na tym
BPX, moze ma cos "nie tak" z eksportami ?!
;-)

Gratulacje ! Moja nominacja do nagrody "Najbardziej lakoniczny tutor
Nowego Millenium" ;-)))


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>> poszukuje "rozpiski" algorytmu MD5 ! Ma moze ktos z Was "pod reka" cos
>> takiego ? Gdyby sie dalo to na priv ...
[...]
PK> MD5 to bardzo popularny algorytm, wiec poza tym w/w w sieci jest bardzo
PK> duzo dokumentow na temat sposobow jego stosowania i slabosci.
Dziekuje z pomoc ! Chyba osleplem albo sam juz nie wiem co ;-)))
Nie potrafilem znalezc nic sensownego. Pewnie zle szukalem ...

Co do slabosci MD5: jeden gostek wyrazil opinie (wlasna, sam
podkreslil), ze 2^64 to jego zdaniem malo. Lepsze byloby 2^80 ;-)))
Ale malkontent, no ...
Chociaz moze wie co pisze ?! Slyszal ktos o czyms mocniejszm, co
daloby sie "wetknac" we wlasny prog ?!
A ! Ciagle poszukuje kodu MD5, takiego "na zywca". Dzieki Dulkowi ma
juz mozliwosc wywolania z DLL, ale wolabym "po swojemu" ;-)

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>hehe, bart... ktos probuje ci podpie~1 xywe -;)
> ImagiNativE

Sorry, ale chyba nie masz problemow z czytaniem ?

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> 
> System dzialania Win NT
> cel zczytania wpisywanego hasla do programu
> komputer dziala normalnie ,ale zabezpieczony jest dostep do i-netu
> i tylko nieliczni znaja haslo
> a ja tez chce je poznac

moze to nie odpowiedz ale sa juz gotowe programy cosik kiedys mialem
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Czesc Tato !

> Dziekuje z pomoc ! Chyba osleplem albo sam juz nie wiem co ;-)))
> Nie potrafilem znalezc nic sensownego. Pewnie zle szukalem ...
[ciach]
> Chociaz moze wie co pisze ?! Slyszal ktos o czyms mocniejszm, co
> daloby sie "wetknac" we wlasny prog ?!
> A ! Ciagle poszukuje kodu MD5, takiego "na zywca". Dzieki Dulkowi ma
> juz mozliwosc wywolania z DLL, ale wolabym "po swojemu" ;-)
> 
> mailto:tato@pertus.com.pl
[ciach]

Samej rozpiski MD5 nie mam, ale mysle, ze ponizszy link Ci sie przyda:
http://www.eskimo.com/~weidai/cryptlib.html

Biblioteka Crypto++ jest co prawda w C++, ale dla Ciebie to nie problem
(jak sadze). Zawiera wszystko co potrzebne, m.in. interesujace Cie
MD5 oraz pare innych (mocniejszych i slabszych) algorytmow takich jak
Blowfish, IDEA, DES, RC5, RC6, RSA (klasy sa unrestricted ;-) ).

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Cze!
Mam problem mianowicie mam jakas duza tablice i chcialbym ja troszke
odchudzic, skompresowac a pozniej zdekompresowac, robil ktos juz takie siupy
? Potrzebuje jakies tipsy w tej sprawie. Procedura kompresujaca nie musi byc
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Zapomnialem napisac ze chodzi mi o pure kod bez dodatkowych dll. Cos takiego
ma byc umieszcone w miktokontrolerze (almel 89C52) a mam tam 8k pamieci. Z
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Hello -=BarT=-,

Wednesday, March 15, 2000, 7:31:13 AM, you wrote:

>>>
>>>                    -=BarT=-
>>hehe, bart... ktos probuje ci podpie~1 xywe -;)
>> ImagiNativE

B> Sorry, ale chyba nie masz problemow z czytaniem ?

B> -=BarT=-
ee, kay tam wcale, to sa te tzw "zasady" sceny(hi Rfk)...przecie jak
ktos uzywa nicka od paru lat to wcale nie swiadczy o tym ze ktos inny
nie moze go uzyc...ale co tam...
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Date sent:      	Wed, 15 Mar 2000 00:32:24 +0100
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> wpc> Postanowilem rozbic tego tutora na dwa... jeden dla "kumatych"
> wpc> i drugi dla newbies:))
> Zrozumialem oba tutory ! Wiec jak jest ze mna - "kumaty" czy "newbies"
> ?! ;-)))
> 
> wpc> 1.Tutor dla kumatych: bpio nie idzie??? no to messageboxa... i
> wpc> wszystko.... koniec tutora:)))))))
> Bardziej podobal mi sie ten dla "kumatych" ... Ideal tutora: taki zwarty,
> przemyslany, bez zbednych upiekszen. Silnie przemawia do wyobrazni ...
> Az chcialoby sie ciagnac te 20 MB i przesledzic tok rozumowania autora
> ;-)))
> 
> Troche wprawdzie zaciemniaja obraz wstawki typu
> "<FontFamily><param>Arial</param>" ! Nigdzie: ani w SoftIce, ani pod
> Hiew nie widzac takich napisow ! Nie udalo mi sie tez zastawic na tym
> BPX, moze ma cos "nie tak" z eksportami ?!
> ;-
ech.. przepraszam bardzo wszystkich za te wstawki z fontami... 
jak kto ma pegasusa to nie bedzie nawet widzial o co biega.. ale 
linuxowcy..sorki :(( to kopiowanie z history of softice... nie 
pomyslalem.. jak to czasem sie zdarza:
aaa mowiac kumaci i niekumaci wyrazilem sie rzeczywiscie 
nieprecyzyjnie: mialem na mysli bardziej i mniej doswiadczonych.
A uwazam, ze bycie mniej doswiadczonym wcale nie oznacza 
czegos zlego:)))) Tato: (no nie wiem czy tak mozna bo kiedys cos 
bylo zeby sie tak do taty nie zwracac.. no ale pal szesc:)))
ty to raczej nie musisz chyba zadawac takich pytan..(kumaty czy 
nie:)))))))
zreszta... sa dziedziny cracka w ktorych ja jestem tak niekumaty 
ze az przykro mi:)))
aa mam nastepnego tutorka :))
program: compupic v 4.60
gdzie: www.photodex.com i na mnostwie plytek
czas:pol godziny...
zabezpiecznie: trial +s/n
tutor: Cooo nie lapie sie na zadne hmemcpy ani messageboxy????
sproboj przez uchwyt okna... (hwnd)
Nie wiesz gdzie to choler... zabezpieczenie?? W pliku 
if.dnt...zdeassembluj... i wszystko...
heja all 
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No, teraz jest juz 2:0 dla nas.
(post z 28.02 tez byl w HTML-u)
Tak wiec temu panu juz dziekujemy.

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> Witam

> Ma pewien problem i prosze o pomoc. Posiadam plik spakowany
> najprawdopodobniej UPX-em, ale ma on uszkochony nag=88owek pliku. Zmienilem
> nazwy sekcji na UPX0 i UPX1 ale nic to nie dalo. Po rozpakowaniu Pocdump-em
> program wykonal nieprawidlowa operacje i koniec piesni. Czy UPX (v0.99)
> potrafi rozpakowac pliki spakowane wczesniejsza wersja. Jakby ktos byl
> zainteresowany tym problemem to moge podeslac programik (ok. 7KB) na maila.
heh... jak znam zycie to rozwiazaniem jest softice+icedump+bhrama server ;)
mozesz go podrzucic... jak znajde chwile czasu...

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>lub BPIO -h 378


niestety sa programy, ktore po czyms takim wyrzucaja "internal error",
a po wylapaniu komunikatu na messagebox siedzimy w malinach
co wtedy?
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On Tue, 14 Mar 2000, NaDoL wrote:

> Mam problem mianowicie mam jakas duza tablice i chcialbym ja troszke
> odchudzic, skompresowac a pozniej zdekompresowac, robil ktos juz takie siupy
> ? Potrzebuje jakies tipsy w tej sprawie. Procedura kompresujaca nie musi byc
> bardzo mocna. Licze na was i czekam na podpowiedzi, ostatnio cierpie na brak
> pomyslow.

Zajrzyj na http://www.gzip.org/, tam jest du=BFo informacji o kompresji,
biblioteki itp.

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Hi BarT!

Gratuluje!
> > Po dlugiej zabawie z RPModemem udalo mi sie napisac generator seriali.
> > Zainteresowanych temetem prosze na priv.
Napisz czym to zrobiles...
Probowalem, nie przecze, ale dranstwo tak wolno we wszystkim dzialalo,
a do tego setki przeskokow przez procedury i w koncu ciagle
trafialem w bagno...

Jezeli mozna - przeslij.
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> >lub BPIO -h 378
>
> niestety sa programy, ktore po czyms takim wyrzucaja "internal error",
> a po wylapaniu komunikatu na messagebox siedzimy w malinach
> co wtedy?
> eny ajdijas?
>

Czy te programy nie pochodza czasem od producenta kluczy Hasp ?
Jeli tak (taki komunikat pamietam z np. HaspEdit32) to komunikat
pochodzi nie z malin tylko sekcji .protect obecnej w wiekszosci
ich narzedzi. Jak sama nazwa sugeruje cos sie w niej moze dziac:
np. CreateFileA z parametrami na stosie mniej wiecej w postaci .\\NTICE :-)
(tak przynajmniej jest pod NT, ale odpowiednik w W95 tez pewnie jest).

Jesli to nie Hasp to nie wiem. Sentinele i inne czekaja na swoja kolej.
Poki co niewiele o nich wiem.

Co do Hasp to BPIO nie jest najlepszym pomyslem. Po pierwsze moze nie
zalapac
(w zaleznosci od wersji drivera zdajesie), a po drugie ladujesz w driverze
Hasp'a
(Haspnt pod NT, hasp95.vxd pod W95), a tam faktycznie sa niezle maliny.

Inne sposoby to:
1. Jesli plik nie jest spakowany to znalezc sekwencje " cmp bh,32", ktora
    siedzi chyba w kazdej bibliotece do obslugi hasp. Jesli kod wyglada
mniej wiecej
    tak:

...
...
cmp bh,32
je xxx
mov [xx],xx
call (albo jmp) ---> tu call to tzw. haspreg()

to jest to procedura Hasp. Mozna wiec sprawdzic Xrefs do niej albo pulapke
ustawic.

2. Pod Win32 tylko.

bpx FreeEnvironmentStringsA (to API jest wolane w haspreg()). F12 (w SI) i
powinnismy byc
w hasp(). Jeszcze raz F12 i powinnismy byc w funkcji, ktora hasp() wywolala.

To chyba tyle.

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>Jesli to nie Hasp to nie wiem. Sentinele i inne czekaja na swoja kolej.
>Poki co niewiele o nich wiem.


Tak, tak, to byl Hasp, ale nie wiem czy to byla sekcja .protect,
siedziala w glownym module programu. Z tego samego miejsca
wyskakiwal tez komunikat "sory nie ma haspa".

Sam program jest spakowany nieznanym packerem.
Nie jestem od tego specem co prawda, ale kiedys sciagnalem
jakies narzedzie co mialo pelno tych packerow i nie moglo
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>Zapomnialem napisac ze chodzi mi o pure kod bez dodatkowych dll. Cos
takiego
>ma byc umieszcone w miktokontrolerze (almel 89C52) a mam tam 8k pamieci. Z
>uwagi na to ze wszystkie programy sa pisane w c++, plus to ze tablica jest
>duuza, pamiec bardzo powaznie sie skurczyla.


cos b.prostego -> ByteRun albo RLE (Run Lenght Encoding <- chyba)

bazuje na zapisywaniu ilosci powtarzajacych sie wartosci (o ile dobrze
pamietam :)

generalnie chodzi o to, ze zapisujesz w jednym bajcie kompresowana wartosc a
w drugim (bajcie) ile razy ma zostac powtorzona. tak wiec dobre, gdy obok
siebie jest duzo powtarzajacych sie wartosci. w najgorszym przypadku masz 2x
dluzsza tablice niz pierwotnie. procki kogujaca/dekodujaca sa banalne.

pozdr.

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Napisal:

>   Please download TRW2000 v1.13
>          http://www.knlsoft.com

Zlamal to ktos? bo mi sie trial skonczyl ;-)

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> Znam dobrze asma, Delphi sie wlasnie ucze, a
> o c++ to pomysle w wakacje. Znam rownierz niezle VB. Ale to gowniany jezyk
> jak zobaczylem mozliwosci Delphi.

mam nadzieje, ze w tym momencie masz na mysli najnowsza wersje delphi
bo jesli nie to bez problemu moge ci pokazac kilka takich zeczy w vb
ze jeszcze przez kilka miesiecy bedziesz kombinowal jak to zrobilem
prosze wiec nie wyrazaj publicznie swoich mysli na temat czegos
o czym nie masz gownianego pojecia

> 2. Polskie tutory na temat crackingu i tego wszystkiego co tam jest,
jakies
> adresy? Tylko od podstaw.

zupelni lamerzy pisza w wyszukiwarkach 'crack AND tutorial AND beginer'
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ThX za adres ,zobaczymy czy te programiki cos zdzialaja

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> >
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Hi


>mam nadzieje, ze w tym momencie masz na mysli najnowsza wersje delphi
>bo jesli nie to bez problemu moge ci pokazac kilka takich zeczy w vb
>ze jeszcze przez kilka miesiecy bedziesz kombinowal jak to zrobilem
>prosze wiec nie wyrazaj publicznie swoich mysli na temat czegos
>o czym nie masz gownianego pojecia

Bez mocnych slow prosze.
Dolaczam sie do opini, ze VB to badziewny jezyk.
Co z tego, ze mozna w nim stworzyc animowany wodospad niagara bardziej
zakrecony od oryginalu skoro wszystko toto chodzi z predkoscia wola pociagowego.
A nie kazdy moze sobie pozwolic na PIII, choc kto wie, moze i na tym sprzecie szybkosc
takiego programu daleka jest od zadawalajacej.
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Hi
czy to jest normalne ze po wywolaniu wsprintf znika mi tablica importow???
zostaje zamieniona w kaszanke :(
czy to moze byc wina import32.lib ???

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> cos b.prostego -> ByteRun albo RLE (Run Lenght Encoding <- chyba)
>
> bazuje na zapisywaniu ilosci powtarzajacych sie wartosci (o ile dobrze
> pamietam :)
>
> generalnie chodzi o to, ze zapisujesz w jednym bajcie kompresowana wartosc
a
> w drugim (bajcie) ile razy ma zostac powtorzona. tak wiec dobre, gdy obok
> siebie jest duzo powtarzajacych sie wartosci. w najgorszym przypadku masz
2x
> dluzsza tablice niz pierwotnie. procki kogujaca/dekodujaca sa banalne.

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Bede robil doktorat z zabezpieczania programow przed
crackowaniem. Dokladnie wybralem sobie taka dzialke
jak gmatwanie kodu. Nas najbardziej interesuje gmatwanie
kodu wynikowego na poziomie modulow (OBJ,COFF,ELF,itd.).
Wyobrazcie sobie takie narzedzie, ktore z gotowego normalnego
modulu robi jedna wielka kaszane, a w ta wielka kaszane
wplecione sa losowo np. procedury sprawdzajace autentycznosc
kodu programu. Nie potrafie teraz podac konkretnego przykladu
jak by to wygladalo, poniewaz nic tak porabanego jeszcze nie
widzialem, ale wyobrazcie sobie taki kod, gdzie kolejne
kilka-kilkanascie instrukcji nie wykazuje logicznego powiazania,
a co chwile mamy sztuczki anty-debug i anty-disasm.
Na razie musze przygotowac seminarium przegladowe
"Metody zabezpieczen programow przed r.e.", czyli Fravia
na poczatek wystarczy. :)
Oczywiscie bedziecie mogli na biezaco sledzic postepy mojej
pracy i rowniez jako pierwsi dostaniecie do przetestowania
nowe narzedzie.

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On Tue, 14 Mar 2000, Grzegorz Wroblewski wrote:

> >lub BPIO -h 378
> 
> 
> niestety sa programy, ktore po czyms takim wyrzucaja "internal error",
> a po wylapaniu komunikatu na messagebox siedzimy w malinach
> co wtedy?
> eny ajdijas?

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>> cos b.prostego -> ByteRun albo RLE (Run Lenght Encoding <- chyba)
>> bazuje na zapisywaniu ilosci powtarzajacych sie wartosci (o ile dobrze
>> pamietam :)
>> generalnie chodzi o to, ze zapisujesz w jednym bajcie kompresowana
wartosc a
>> w drugim (bajcie) ile razy ma zostac powtorzona. tak wiec dobre, gdy obok
>> siebie jest duzo powtarzajacych sie wartosci. w najgorszym przypadku masz
2x
>> dluzsza tablice niz pierwotnie. procki kogujaca/dekodujaca sa banalne.
>
>Jakies namiary ?


hm... namiarow nie mam, myslalem, ze taki opis pozwoli Ci na napisanie tego
z palca...
opis kompresji moze byc przy opisie BMPa, bo chyba tez korzysta z tego
algorytmu.
ja to czytalem w jakims starym amigowskim pisemku, ladnych pare lat temu.
jak bedziesz potrzebowal pseudokodu czy cos, to Ci napisze.

pozdr.
sachy - da cyber fr0g :]








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On 00-03-15 at 05:23 plastek wrote:

>Hi
>czy to jest normalne ze po wywolaniu wsprintf znika mi tablica importow???
>zostaje zamieniona w kaszanke :(
>czy to moze byc wina import32.lib ???
>
>Plastek

Chyba nienormalne...:-).. kiedy znika po kompilacji... czy podczas
dzialania programu...?.., o ile dobrze pamietam ta funkcja ma zmienna
liczbe parametrow i na dodatek uzywa wywolan w konwencji c (zobacz do api).
Trzeba pilnowac sie ze stosem i tym co sie dzieje z danymi podczas jej
wywolywania.

btw. najlepiej zapodaj istotyny fragment kodu, wtedy znajdziemy blad.

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Wit !

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On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, NaDoL wrote:

> > dluzsza tablice niz pierwotnie. procki kogujaca/dekodujaca sa banalne.
> Jakies namiary ?

One s=B1 naprawd=EA banalne ;) Ca=B3y algorytm polega na tym, =BFe jedziesz
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AA BB CC CC CC CC CC DD EE EE EE

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AA BB 5xCC DD 3xEE

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Kto potrafi w 100 % dobrze skonfigurowac sendmail'a (najnowsza wersja). Jest
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On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, NaDoL wrote:

> Kto potrafi w 100 % dobrze skonfigurowac sendmail'a (najnowsza wersja). Jest
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> NaDoL

nie na temat napisze teraz tylko wyraze swoje zdanie :)) 
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> czy to jest normalne ze po wywolaniu wsprintf znika mi tablica importow???
> zostaje zamieniona w kaszanke :(
> czy to moze byc wina import32.lib ???
Raczej wydaje mi sie ze zapominasz, po wywolaniu funkcji wsprintf, o zdjeciu
ze stosu wszystkich jej parametrow. Akurat w przypadku tej funkcji system
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On Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 01:37:20PM +0100, NaDoL wrote:
> Kto potrafi w 100 % dobrze skonfigurowac sendmail'a (najnowsza wersja). Jest
w 100% to chyba nie znajdziesz kogos takiego. O sendmailu napisali nawet
ksiazke - ponad 1000stron, a sam SIOG nie wyglada za wesolo.
Najnowsza tzn. ktora? 8.10.0 ?
> duzy problem z serwerem crona. Co ciekawe niekt=F3rzy maja taka sama
> konfiguracje i do nich sie ten jeb.k nie przyczepia. Jakies podpowiedzi ?
wyrazaj sie jasniej.. nie wiem o co chodzi.
podpowiedz: sprobuj exim'a, naprawde dobry mta (latwe i przyjemne). 
ja powoli rezygnuje z sendmaila (za glupi na to jestem).
> 
> NaDoL

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On Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 02:49:17PM +0100, Tolkien rulez wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, NaDoL wrote:
> 
> > Kto potrafi w 100 % dobrze skonfigurowac sendmail'a (najnowsza wersja). Jest
> > duzy problem z serwerem crona. Co ciekawe niekt=F3rzy maja taka sama
> > konfiguracje i do nich sie ten jeb.k nie przyczepia. Jakies podpowiedzi ?
> > 
> > NaDoL
> 
> nie na temat napisze teraz tylko wyraze swoje zdanie :)) 
> sam chcialem uzyskac dobre konfiga do sendmaila i ...dupa ..kolesie ktorzy
> mogliby mi wyslac maja proftpd bo jest niby lepszy choc to nie prawda ..a
proftpd? a co ma proftpd do sendmaila? 

> Ci z sendmailem siedza nad konfigami po kilka godzin czasem dni aby to
> chodzilo cacy ...ale nie daja konfigow ..:)))))
> beanus

skoro troche temat zszedl na *nixowe akcenty.. to moze ktos ma jakies dobre
txty o asm at&t ? Troche obco to wyglada przeskakujac z intela. 

jr.
btw. chyba jestesmy troche oftopik :o

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On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, jr wrote:

> skoro troche temat zszedl na *nixowe akcenty.. to moze ktos ma jakies dobre
> txty o asm at&t ? Troche obco to wyglada przeskakujac z intela. 

http://aurora.put.poznan.pl/~szopen/

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> proftpd? a co ma proftpd do sendmaila? 
teraz to czytam i sie sam zastanawiam :))))
zmailer:))
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Czesc

> Po dlugiej zabawie z RPModemem udalo mi sie
napisac generator seriali.
> Zainteresowanych temetem prosze na priv.

Jestem zainteresowany - jesli mozesz to rzuc.

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> >mam nadzieje, ze w tym momencie masz na mysli najnowsza wersje delphi
> >bo jesli nie to bez problemu moge ci pokazac kilka takich zeczy w vb
> >ze jeszcze przez kilka miesiecy bedziesz kombinowal jak to zrobilem
> >prosze wiec nie wyrazaj publicznie swoich mysli na temat czegos
> >o czym nie masz ...piii... pojecia
>
> Bez mocnych slow prosze.
> Dolaczam sie do opini, ze VB to badziewny jezyk.


ptasiek chyba nie mowisz tego serio. sa chyba na tym swiecie programy pod VB
ktorych nie udalo ci sie polamac, ani zabezpiecznia w nich umieszczone,
ktore jeszcze nie obszedles. nie bede sie oczywiscie przechwalal bo to jest
tutaj bez sensu i nie na miejscu ale programista ktory bawil sie crackiem
nie ma wiekszych problemow ze stworzeniem dobrze zabezpeczonego programu w
VB. bo o zabezpieczenie programu mi chodzi a nie o wodospady... ;)

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>ptasiek chyba nie mowisz tego serio. sa chyba na tym swiecie programy pod VB
>ktorych nie udalo ci sie polamac, ani zabezpiecznia w nich umieszczone,
>ktore jeszcze nie obszedles. nie bede sie oczywiscie przechwalal bo to jest
>tutaj bez sensu i nie na miejscu ale programista ktory bawil sie crackiem
>nie ma wiekszych problemow ze stworzeniem dobrze zabezpeczonego programu w
>VB. bo o zabezpieczenie programu mi chodzi a nie o wodospady... ;)

Zgadza sie, ale kazdy jezyk programowania daje Ci mozliwosc napisania
porzadnego zabezpieczenia. Zas co ma VB do zaoferowania: jedynie
zasmiecone odwolaniami do bibliotek exeki i nieustanne skoki do nich;
 fakt przyznaje, ze im wyzszy nr wersji jezyka, tym mniej tego tam sie znajduje,
 ale mimo wszystko smietnik nadal jest smietnikiem.
Nawiazujac jeszcze do zabezpieczen, nie spotkalem proga VB z jakimis szczegolnie
wyrafinowanymi technikami, co najwyzej z utrudnieniami powodowanymi
przez sama konstrukcje jezyka, chocby w glosnym ostatnio RPM, ktorego
i tak nie udalo mi sie zlamac, z powodu wspomianej jush przeze mnie szybkosci
dzialania tegoz, jak i czestych zwiech debuggera. A moze, mam jeszcze za male
doswiadczenie? Kto wie...
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Hi
> Chyba nienormalne...:-).. kiedy znika po kompilacji... czy podczas
> dzialania programu...?..,
w trakcie dzialania ;)
> o ile dobrze pamietam ta funkcja ma zmienna
> liczbe parametrow i na dodatek uzywa wywolan w konwencji c (zobacz do
api).
> Trzeba pilnowac sie ze stosem i tym co sie dzieje z danymi podczas jej
> wywolywania.
fakt add esp,12 zalatwilo sprawe :)))
>
THX Gustaw&Smola
> Pozdrowka
> GustawKit
>
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Hejka.

> > Bez mocnych slow prosze.
> > Dolaczam sie do opini, ze VB to badziewny jezyk.


> ptasiek chyba nie mowisz tego serio. sa chyba na tym swiecie programy pod
VB
> ktorych nie udalo ci sie polamac, ani zabezpiecznia w nich umieszczone,
> ktore jeszcze nie obszedles. nie bede sie oczywiscie przechwalal bo to
jest
> tutaj bez sensu i nie na miejscu ale programista ktory bawil sie crackiem
> nie ma wiekszych problemow ze stworzeniem dobrze zabezpeczonego programu w
> VB. bo o zabezpieczenie programu mi chodzi a nie o wodospady... ;)

*VB - uffff, to jest jakis jezyk programistyczny, czy coos takiego ???
:-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) ???

Zdrowko i owocnego programowania w tym najlepszym z jezykow skryptowych
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Cze wszystkim !,
W=B3asnie stalem si=EA posiadaczem Delphi 5 Enterprise i powiedzialem
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>
> > Znam dobrze asma, Delphi sie wlasnie ucze, a
> > o c++ to pomysle w wakacje. Znam rownierz niezle VB. Ale to
> gowniany jezyk
> > jak zobaczylem mozliwosci Delphi.
>
> mam nadzieje, ze w tym momencie masz na mysli najnowsza wersje delphi
> bo jesli nie to bez problemu moge ci pokazac kilka takich zeczy w vb
> ze jeszcze przez kilka miesiecy bedziesz kombinowal jak to zrobilem
> prosze wiec nie wyrazaj publicznie swoich mysli na temat czegos
> o czym nie masz gownianego pojecia

Mam pojecie o VB o to dosc duze, a Delphi narazie slabe, ale od pierwszych
dni spotkania sie z Delphi mysle ze jest lepsze od VB. VB jest
przystepniejsze jesli chodzi o pisanie, ale generowany execy Delphi i VB sa
nie porownywalne.

>
> > 2. Polskie tutory na temat crackingu i tego wszystkiego co tam jest,
> jakies
> > adresy? Tylko od podstaw.
>
> zupelni lamerzy pisza w wyszukiwarkach 'crack AND tutorial AND beginer'
> ale proponuje ci zajrzec na glowna strone CrackPL

Fenks, zajze tam

>
> simkin@free.kam.pl
>
>
>

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A gdyby tak zastosowa=E6 kryterium korzy=B6ci?
Zarabiasz na crackach jeste=B6 przest=EApc=B1 nie zarabiasz to nie!
Mog=EA produkowa=E6 fa=B3szywe pieni=B1dze - nie mog=EA puszcza=E6 ich w obieg

Jurek
>
> Hmm...nawet nie probuje ustosunkowac sie do poszczegolnych fragmentow
> wypowiedzi obu listowiczow gdzy ani nie nawiazuja one w konkretach do
> interesujacego mnie tematu ani nie rozumie do konca niektorych wyrazonych
> postaw.
>
> >
> Pozdrawiam
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Cze wszystkim !,
jeszcze jedno pociagniecie i bedziemy mogli podziwiac pierwsza (chyba)
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> Napisalem generator plikow licencji do RATS-736. Nie wiem jednak
> czy grupowicze sa zaiteresowani tematem. Jak bedzie wiecej postow
> to omowie metode "zlamania" oraz sam algorytm szyfrowania na lamach
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bart przeciez chyba o to tu chodzi. zapewniam cie ze wszyscy sa tym
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> Mam pojecie o VB o to dosc duze, a Delphi narazie slabe, ale od pierwszych
> dni spotkania sie z Delphi mysle ze jest lepsze od VB. VB jest
> przystepniejsze jesli chodzi o pisanie, ale generowany execy Delphi i VB
sa
> nie porownywalne.

oki... soro... moze troche sie zagalopowalem.... zwracam wiec honor... ale
musisz mnie zrozumiec - strasznie irytuja mnie frajezy, ktozy znaja spox
assema i uwazaja, ze wszystko inne to badziew. nigdy nie mowilem ze VB to
cudo swata, ale warto poznac ten jezyk chocby ze wzgledu na to aby zrozumiec
polityke myslenia ludzi z microsoftu. swoja droga przyznaje ze ich psyche
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tym samym uwazam temat VB kontra Delphi za zakonczony.

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> Cze!
> Mam problem mianowicie mam jakas duza tablice i chcialbym ja troszke
> odchudzic, skompresowac a pozniej zdekompresowac, robil ktos juz takie siupy
> ? Potrzebuje jakies tipsy w tej sprawie. Procedura kompresujaca nie musi byc
> bardzo mocna. Licze na was i czekam na podpowiedzi, ostatnio cierpie na brak
> pomyslow.
aloha... osobiscie polecam apliba - http://apack.cjb.net - male, zgrabne
procki... przyklady uzycia w asm, delphi, c... zajeb~1 stopien kompresji...
czego jeszcze chciec??
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>A gdyby tak zastosowa=E6 kryterium korzy=B6ci?
>Zarabiasz na crackach jeste=B6 przest=EApc=B1 nie zarabiasz to nie!
>Mog=EA produkowa=E6 fa=B3szywe pieni=B1dze - nie mog=EA puszcza=E6 ich w obieg


Zgadzam sie z przedmowca. Przejdzmy od slow do czynow.



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Napisal:

> opis kompresji moze byc przy opisie BMPa, bo chyba tez korzysta z tego
> algorytmu.

IFF ILBM napewno ;-)

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>> opis kompresji moze byc przy opisie BMPa, bo chyba tez korzysta z tego
>> algorytmu.
>
>IFF ILBM napewno ;-)


dokladnie. ja znam go z IFFa. ktos kto siedzial na piecu moze jednak tego
tak haslowo nie kumac. a chodzi przeciez o algorytm :)

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Wiem, ze sa na liscie ludzie majacy kontakt z wyzszymi uczelniami
w roznych czesciach Polski.
Czy zna ktos albo chociaz slyszal o kims, kto zajmuje sie choc
troche sprawami zabezpieczania kodu oprogramowania w ramach
pracy na uczelni?
Jesli nie, to moze chociaz ktos, kto zajmuje sie naukowo
lamaniem kodu? :)
A moze ktos spoza uczelni ma jakies osiagniecia naukowe,
publikacje, udzialy w konferencjach, monografie, itp. ?



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On 00-03-17 at 07:19 ImagiNativE <imaginative@crackpl.site.pl> wrote:

>> >mam nadzieje, ze w tym momencie masz na mysli najnowsza wersje delphi
>> >bo jesli nie to bez problemu moge ci pokazac kilka takich zeczy w vb
>> >ze jeszcze przez kilka miesiecy bedziesz kombinowal jak to zrobilem
>> >prosze wiec nie wyrazaj publicznie swoich mysli na temat czegos
>> >o czym nie masz gownianego pojecia
>
>> Bez mocnych slow prosze.
>> Dolaczam sie do opini, ze VB to badziewny jezyk.
>> Co z tego, ze mozna w nim stworzyc animowany wodospad niagara bardziej
>> zakrecony od oryginalu skoro wszystko toto chodzi z predkoscia wola=
>>  pociagowego.
>> A nie kazdy moze sobie pozwolic na PIII, choc kto wie, moze i na tym=
>>  sprzecie szybkosc
>> takiego programu daleka jest od zadawalajacej.
>
>aloha... dorzuce swoje 3 grosze...  zgadzam sie z przedmowca...
>przejdzmy od slow do czynow ;) owszem, chcialbym zobaczyc 'to cos w vb'
>co prawda progi w delphi tez nie sa zbyt szybkie, ale co prawdziwy
>exe to prawdziwy exe, a nie jedna wielka tabela importow ;)
>
>-- 
>Best regards,
> ImagiNativE                          mailto:imaginative@crackpl.site.pl

Zly adres...
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> czekam na listy najlepiej na priva :))
> dzieki i pozdrowenka
> beanus CookieCrK

odpowiedzialem na priva :))
jak juz gadamy o dyskach to: zanosze do kumpla dysk w kieszeni (samsung 2,1)
jego dysk to samsung 13,6 i gdy cos chce zgrac miedzy dyskami (on ma
normalnie kieszen pusta) to co jakis czas nic sie nie zczytuje przez ok. 1
minute; potem troszke poczyta (okolo 100 plikow) i znow staje; po pewnym
czasie win wyrzuca blad, a na jego stalym dysku zostaje pliki o dziwnych
nazawach;
sytuacja sie powtarza, gdy np. chce nagrac plytke bezposrednio z mojego
dysku!

co mam zrobic???
z gory thx

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> zupelni lamerzy pisza w wyszukiwarkach 'crack AND tutorial AND beginer'
> ale proponuje ci zajrzec na glowna strone CrackPL
>
> simkin@free.kam.pl

sorry, ze pytam, ale wytlumacz mi roznice miedzy zupelnym , czesciowym, a
niezupelnym lamerem !!!
ja nie rzucam tym slowkiem czesto; co masz do wyszukiwania?-przynajmniej
sobie ludzie radza !
a skad wiesz, ze tak sie pisze w wyszukiwarce ??? czyzby ...

z nazywaniem hackera crackerem jest tak juz tak, jak uczacego sie nazywac
lamerem (lama to przede wszystkim ten kto mowi, ze wszystko umie, a naprawde
nic; wiec nawet sobie nie zada trudu, aby cos poszukac-nic nie robi, a
glupio gada); ostatnio zle sie zaczyna dziac; biorac twoj sposob myslenia
kazdego moznaby nazwac tak w zwiazku z jakas dziedzina (nikt nie jest
doskonaly)!!! Ale w zwiazku z tym, ze sie nie przechwala wiekszosc, ze wie
cos na tematy, o ktorych nie ma pojecia to nie nazywa sie ich lamerami

mozecie sie z moim zdaniem nie zgadzac, ale ja tak mysle!!!

(p.s. jedna z najciekawszych zabaw w szkole jest pokazywanie kumplowi, ze
nic nie rozumie z informy; jest lama dlatego, ze twierdzi, ze ma 5 slotow
AGP w komputerze i nie slucha madrzejszych; i to jest lama; nie nazywa sie
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> Mam pojecie o VB o to dosc duze, a Delphi narazie slabe, ale od pierwszych
> dni spotkania sie z Delphi mysle ze jest lepsze od VB. VB jest
> przystepniejsze jesli chodzi o pisanie, ale generowany execy Delphi i VB
sa
> nie porownywalne.

*najwieksza wada Visual Basica to niestrukturalnosc; nie uczy wlasciwie
niczego dobrego;
Pascal i pochodne rulez; sa strukturalne i programowanie w nich jest
sensowne; po kursie pascala dla dosa nie ma duzego problemu, aby przejsc na
delphi; A delphi do tego szybciej kompiluje i jest z Borland'a (a wlasciwie
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Od: Grzegorz Wroblewski <grzegorz.wroblewski@s-serv.pl>
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> Bede robil doktorat z zabezpieczania programow przed
> crackowaniem.

i oto wlasnie w tym zyciu chodzi. jezeli mam sie wypowiedziec w swoim
imieniu to z wielkim zainteresowaniem bede sledzil twoje poczynania nad ta
praca. ba, bede wdzieczny za wszelkie nowe wiadomosci w tym temacie i mam
tylko nadzieje, ze udostepnisz nam je na forum. osobiscie za rok pisze prace
dyplomowa i przymierzam sie do tematu ktory roboczo nazwalem "metody
zabezpiezpieczenia programow". tyczyc mialo by sie to ogolnie cracku - stad
tez moje zainteresowanie pozyskaniem nowych zrudel i materialow.

pozdrawiam

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Mietor napisal:

> odpowiedzialem na priva :))
> jak juz gadamy o dyskach to: zanosze do kumpla dysk w kieszeni (samsung
2,1)
> jego dysk to samsung 13,6 i gdy cos chce zgrac miedzy dyskami (on ma
> normalnie kieszen pusta) to co jakis czas nic sie nie zczytuje przez ok. 1
> minute; potem troszke poczyta (okolo 100 plikow) i znow staje; po pewnym
> czasie win wyrzuca blad, a na jego stalym dysku zostaje pliki o dziwnych
> nazawach;
> sytuacja sie powtarza, gdy np. chce nagrac plytke bezposrednio z mojego
> dysku!
>
> co mam zrobic???
> z gory thx

CzE

nie wiem jakie dokladnie masz dyski (chodzi o wiek) ale wydaje mi sie
ze problem lezy w twojm dysku 2,1. Jest od prawdopodobnie nie najnowszy
i ma inny PIO ustawiany w setupie, prawdopodobnie nizszy niz dysk 13,6
w takim wypadku nie bedzie dobrze dzialac transmisja miedzy nimi.
Sprobuj ustawic recznie takie same wartosci PIO dla obu dyskow,
ale nie zawsze to pomaga. Innym wyjsciem i dzialajacym na 100%
to ustawienie twojego dysku jako startowego a dysk 13,6 jako podrzednego

powodzenia
ALbi

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On 00-03-17 at 17:39 Mietor wrote:

>> Mam pojecie o VB o to dosc duze, a Delphi narazie slabe, ale od
pierwszych
>> dni spotkania sie z Delphi mysle ze jest lepsze od VB. VB jest
>> przystepniejsze jesli chodzi o pisanie, ale generowany execy Delphi i VB
>sa
>> nie porownywalne.
>
>*najwieksza wada Visual Basica to niestrukturalnosc; nie uczy wlasciwie
>niczego dobrego;
>Pascal i pochodne rulez; sa strukturalne i programowanie w nich jest
>sensowne; po kursie pascala dla dosa nie ma duzego problemu, aby przejsc
na
>delphi; A delphi do tego szybciej kompiluje i jest z Borland'a (a
wlasciwie
>teraz juz Inprise).


Hi...

Dlaczego niby wada ma byc niestrukturalnosc jezyka..., a raczej pakietu
programistycznego jakim jest vb. To wlasnie dzieki temu zyskal popularnosc
i jest tak latwy w uzyciu. Nigdy nie twierdzilem, ze jest dobry czy zly
(jedynie wkurzal mnie jego kod wynikowy).., ale VB idzie z czasem postepu
technologicznego.. i umozliwija malym nakladem pracy i wiedzy skladac z
klockow oprogramowanie. Do tego dazy cala informatyka... czy tego chcemy
czy nie.

Wlasciwie to napisalem o tym, tylko dlatego, ze przegladajac ostatnio
oferty pracy dla programistow i informatykow w co drugiej w wymaganiach
oprocz znajomosci wielu (czesto zbyt wielu) roznych rzeczy (czasami dos
trudnych i uciazliwych do poznania) wymieniany jest VB. Widac takie jest
zapotrzebowanie na rynku.


Ostatnio porobilem troche w Delphi5 (notabne taki pakiet i sposob pracy z
nim nie wiele sie rozni od vb)..., ogolnie podoba mi sie, i jezeli mam
zrobic cokolwiek wiekszego to napewno pod delphi. Do VB na pewno nie
siegne, chyba ze bede zmuszony wymogami. Zreszta wlasciwie jakie to ma
znaczenie w czym sie tworzy program, wazne ze osiaga sie cel, ze dziala to
dobrze i spelnia okreslone warunki. Asembler jest dobry do innych zadan,
pascal,c++ do innych, a delphi czy VB czy nawet nowe C++ w wydaniu np.
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tato napisal:

> Na poczatek MUSISZ WYLACZYC (w Autoexec'u !) SI !!! Choc nawet
> to moze nie wystrczyc ;-) Lepiej po prostu odinstalowac SI ...

Tak sie zastanawialem, czy nie lepiej byloby sobie zrobic cos takiego

AUTOEXEC:
REM [..... bla bla bla .....]
call costam.bat
REM [..... bla bla bla .....]

COSTAM.BAT
C:\PROGRA~1\NUMEGA\WINICE.EXE

:))) moze byc nielatwo sprawdzic wszystkie .bat'y na dysku :)

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Czy ma ktos sposob na Borland Buildera C++ 5.0 Enterprise Trial?
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Witajcie towarzysze,

Jakas polska firma napisaly wlasnie ten program... niestety nie wpadla
na pomysl zrobienia dema - wie ktos gdzie mozna to znalezc ?

gor=B9co pozdrawiam
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Witajcie towarzysze,

gdzie mozna znalezc ten kompresor - szukalem po stronach, ale nigdzie
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Czesc wszystkim.
Na kwietniowym Enterze (zreszta bardziej badziewnym niz zazwyczaj, bo tylko z jedna plyta)
wypatrzylem takie cosik co sie nazywa Rubber Duck 2.30
Program ma swietny algorytm rejestracyjny, poprostu miodzio.
Widzac, ze zrobienie s/n bedzie piekielnie trudne, wiec zabralem sie za patcha.
Niestety na razie znalazlem tylko dwa checkpointy sprawdzajace
status programu. Naprawde, widac, ze w tym przypadku autor postaral sie...
Polecam, prog, i czekam na informacje o nim.
PS. nie dajcie sie nabrac na pierwsze i drugie porownanie -2, -3 z EBP, 
pierwsze prowadzi w nieskonczona petle, drugie to CODE EXPIRED.
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Hi
> Witajcie towarzysze,
>
> gdzie mozna znalezc ten kompresor - szukalem po stronach, ale nigdzie
> nie mozna tego znalezc...
chyba na www.crackpltools.prv.pl najnowsza wersja
>
> gor=B9co pozdrawiam
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no i narobilo sie bigosu przez kilka slow, ktorymi pozwolilem sobie
skomentowac list GREKa. czuje sie odpowiedzialny za cale to zamieszanie i
troche juz zmeczony tym wszystkim. dltego tez postanowilem napisac kilka
slow, ktore powinny zakonczyc ten temat (nota bene ktorego wogole nie
powinno tu byc). dlatego pozwolcie mi odeprzec zarzuty i skomentowac
niektore stwierdzenia.

>> zupelni lamerzy pisza w wyszukiwarkach 'crack AND tutorial AND beginer'
> a skad wiesz, ze tak sie pisze w wyszukiwarce ??? czyzby ...

nie mam pojecia z jakiej wyszukiwarki kozystasz MIETOR ale z tych ktore ja
uzywam o wiele bardziej sprecyzowane dane wyjsciowe uzyskuje sie kozystajac
ze skladni logicznej AND OR i NOT zamiast z nawisow () i znkow + lub -.
spedzilem caly miesiac na praktykowaniu zarowno jednej jak drugiej metody i
natych samych wyszukiwarkach (ja kozystam za zwyczaj z INFOSEEKA) i wierz mi
ze efekty byly rozne. jezeli mam jakis powazniejszy problem to kozystam z
Copernik'a. skladnia jakia tam sie stosuje jest w helpie (polecam takze
zajrzec do helpow konkretnych wyszukiwarek gdyz roznia sie one skladnia).

jezeli zas chodzi o idee wyszukiwania to draznia mnie ludzie, ktorzy ida po
najmniejszej lini oparu i ktorym wydaje sie ze mozna miec wszystko. tutaj
(powiedzialbym u nas, ale to wywola kolejna burze) na scenie crack'u
obowiazuje generalna zasada, ze wszyscy pracuja indywidualnie i dochodza do
wszystkiego sami. oczywiscie dla potrzebujacych istnieja grupy dyskusyjne
(np. wlasnie taka jak ta) i dzieki za to ze sa. wiec jezeli widze goscia,
ktory wali do mnie prosto z mostu gdzie jest to i tamto, to mieknie mi rura
i serce staje. przeciez taki czlowiek nie wykazuje zadnego zaangazowania,
zadnego wlasnego wkladu w temat, ktory chce rozwijac. boze, przeciez my nie
jestesmy niankami - TO JEST KONSYLIUM. dlatego warto zastanowic sie nad
ewentualnym pytaniem zanim sie z nim ktos zwroci do wszystkich.

>> zupelni lamerzy pisza w wyszukiwarkach
> sorry, ze pytam, ale wytlumacz mi roznice miedzy zupelnym,
> czesciowym, a niezupelnym lamerem !!!
> z nazywaniem hackera crackerem jest tak juz tak, jak uczacego sie
> nazywac lamerem (lama to przede wszystkim ten kto mowi, ze
> wszystko umie, a naprawde nic; wiec nawet sobie nie zada trudu,
> aby cos poszukac-nic nie robi, a glupio gada);

kiedy pisalem slowo 'lamerzy' na mysl przyszedl mi jeden punktow regolaminu
grupy aby nie naduzywac tege rodzaju slow. pomyslalem (a jakze) chwile,
poczym dokonczylem zdanie i nacisnolem enter. dlaczego? swoja przygode z
komputerami zaczolem majac 5 - 6 lat (czyli dobre dwadziescia lat temu,
kiedy wiekszosc z was rczkowala, albo byla dopiero w planach). bacznie
obserwowalem owczesna scene atari, bralem udzial w tworzeniu sceny amigi
(pozdrowienia dla wszystkich ktorzy pamietaja FREEZERS'ow) i brak sprzetu
nipozwolil mi bawic sie na scenie PC (zreszta jako zagozaly wtedy amigowiec
nienawidzilem jak wszyscy amigowcy frajerow z blachami). czasy sie jadnak
zmienily i teraz jest teraz. widzisz wiec MIETOR, jesli chodzi o mnie to
moge podac ci kilka definicji lamera (pierwsza ta najprawdziwsza bylo to ze
lamer zamiast tworzyc scene najzwyczajniej sobie gra na kompie - lameruje).
zgodnie z tym co napisales, a ztym co ja napisalem wczesniej mialem wszelkie
prawo aby nazwac GREKA lamerem (za co go juz zreszta przeprosilem i sytuacje
wyjasnilem). oczywiscie lamer nie rowna sie zazwyczaj beginer (a tak chyba
powinien napisac) bo i wsrod elity pelno jest lamerow. mowiac nieco ogolniej
i poddajac kwintesencji definicje lamera stwierdzam, ze lamer to frajer,
cwaniaczek, zlodziej czyichs pomyslow, ktos niewarty uwagi za swe
przewinienia, ktorego najlepiej poddac jest banicji.

> sorry, ze pytam, ale wytlumacz mi roznice miedzy zupelnym , czesciowym, a
> niezupelnym lamerem !!!

pytajac oto MIETOR zachowales sie jak moja polonistka z czaso szkoly
sredniej. oczywiscie w jezyku polskim nie stosuje sie tego typu stwierdzen.
bije sie w piers - mea culpa. natomiast jesli chodzi o potoczna polszczyzne
to zwrot ten jest dosc popularny: ot chocby byc zielonym a byc zupelnie
zielonym. idac tym sladem pozwolilem sobie na pewne podobiestwo stosujac
zworot zupelny lamer (jak widac nie powinien tego robic). niemniej MIETOR
jest to czepianie sie szczegolow. jednkze uwidacznia to fakt, iz niektozy z
nas nie rozumieja i nierozrozniaja slow: zupelny i niezupelny. dlatego tez
pozwalam sobie zaproponowac na forum grupy definicje tych dwoch slow. otoz
proponuja aby termine 'niezupelny' okreslac rzeczy bedace jeszcze w fazie
beta, w ktorym mozemy jeszcze cos zmienic. notomiast slowo ' zupelny' to
takie final version, ktore juz bedzie obowiazywac. oczywiscie jest to moje
zdanie i ktos na forum moze miac inne - ja chetnie poczytam. idac wiec tym
tropem zupelny lamer to taki, z ktorego nic juz nie bedzie gdyz jest on
lamerem i kropka. natomiast niezupelny lamer to taki, z ktorego da sie
wykrztusic resztki czlowieczenstwa i z ktorego moze co jeszcze bedzie.
widzisz wiec MIETOR, ze to zupelnie proste...

no i na koniec sprawa ostatnia, czyli o co tak naprawde chodzi z VB. otoz
niezaprzeczalnym faktem faktem jest, ze latwiej jest nauczyc sie VB niz
Delphi czy BC++. kiedy poruszalem kwestie VB to chodzilo mi o prostote tego
jezyka i skladnie. nie interesowala mnie absolutnie struktura, czy tez
sposob lamania zabezpieczen programowych, bo to odchodzi na plan dalszy dla
poczotkujacego programisty. i dlatego VB do konca dni swoich bedzie jezykiem
dla poczatkujacych (tak jak to bylo za dobrych czasow 8-bitowcow). denerwuje
mnie natomiast sprawa cwaniaczkow (czyli lamerow - patrz wyzej), ktorzy
programuja w Delphi czy BC++ (nie mowie juz o asm) i wydaje im sie ze sa bog
wie kim. sprawa naturalna jest, ze nie mozna w VB napisac programu
bazo-danowego o duzym stopniu skomplikowania, gdyz nie do tego on powstal.
glownym zalozeniem (tak mi sie wydaje) VB jest tworzenie prostych (jesli
chodzi o forme zapisu) programow wykorzystujacych pewne elementy windowsa i
jego multimedialnosci (ze tak powiem nie po polsku). jezeli bedde chcial
wykonac cos bardziej skomplikowanego to albo zmienie jezyk albo zrobie
wstawke asemblerowa. a tak na marginesie czy ktos kiedys napisal wirusa w
Delphi albo BC++...


amen

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> wstawke asemblerowa. a tak na marginesie czy ktos kiedys napisal wirusa w
> Delphi albo BC++...
>
> simkin@free.kam.pl

chyba teoretyczniejest to mozliwe; ale jak przemycic vira 200KB???
(Delphi):)))
Mozna wziasc pod uwage np. Pascala, pod ktorym sa juz viry;

Co myslicie o Borland Pascal for Win??? Dla mnie to jest  strasznie
zakrecone, latwiej juz uzyc Delphi; tylko, ze najfajniej jest gdy do czegos
dojdziesz po dlugim czasie;

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Hi
Tak sobie czytam, co ciekawsze posty, z ostatnich miesiecy, 
i co rzuca mi sie w oczy to namietne podkreslanie edukacyjnej roli
CrackPL-Forum przez niektorych listowiczow. Sugeruja oni, ze poprzez
dyskusje nad zagadnieniami cracku na liscie otwartej na publike
crackerzy wplywaja na poprawienie jakosci zabezpieczen polskiego softu.
Posrednio jest to prawda (Pajaczek) ale nie do konca. Dlaczego?
Ano, dlatego, ze Szanowni Listowicze kreuja ponad wszystko wizerunek
crackera jako niosacego swiatlo (lac. "lucifer", zgadnijcie do kogo sie to odnosi) oswiaty
Publiczne roztrzasanie zabezpieczen danego programu w konsekwencji
przynosi autorowi wiecej szkody niz pozytku. Ponownie przywolam przyklad
Pajaczka. Ktos w liscie do mnie slusznie zauwazyl, ze ten skadnikad funkcjonalny
program stal sie poligonem doswiadczalnym dla poczatkujacych crackerow. A dlaczego?
Hm. pomino zmowy milczenia panujacej wsrod starszych doswiadczeniem crackerow
w postach znalazlo sie tyle infomacji na jego temat, iz mozna by napisac conajmniej 
kilka tutoriali. I komu sluzy takie oklamywanie sie? To calkiem tak, jak z mp3kami
Sciagamy je z serverka, majac w czterech literach zastrzezenie o 24 godzinnym prawie do
ich posiadania. W koncu kto przy zdrowych zmyslach bedzie kasowal plik, za ktory
zaplacil powiedzmy 3 zl w rachunku telefonicznym. Pomijam jush calkowicie prawny aspekt
samowolnego umieszczania utworow w sieci z ww. zastrzezeniem. Analogicznie jest z crackowaniem.
Kiedyz, co poniektorzy zrozumieja, ze cracker to zlodziej tyle ze zazwyczaj nieco inteligentniejszy
od chama idacego z bejsbolem na wystawe jubilera. I nie probujcie polemizowac w tym punkcie wysuwajac
jako argument poczucie misji crackera bo z tego co widze, to nawet firma reklamujaca pralki ma jakas misje
do spelnienia. To slowo sie jush zdewaluowalo i teraz tylko osmiesza konktekst w jakim zostalo wypowiedziane.
Ktos zasugerowal tutaj przyjecie kryterium korzysci jako wyznacznika przestepstwa.
IMHO chyba chcial tylko uciszyc sumienie, prosty kontrargument:
odwrocmy zagadnienie i przyjmijmy bynajmniej nie iluzoryczne 
kryterium strat, jakie ponosza programisci, ktorych produkty sa brutalnie gwalcone przez tony nielegalnych s/n.
To zmienia calkowicie postac rzeczy nieuwazasz? Produkcja i korzystanie z crackow na wlasny uzytek sa rowniez
chamskie wobec autorow programow. Z kolei czesc ludzi nazywajacych sie crackerami lansuje teze, ze skoro prawo nie
chroni uzytkownika, dajac nadmierne przywileje licencjodawcy, to trzeba to prawo zanegowac, a korzystajacych z niego zgnoic.
Niezle podejscie, zwlaszcza ze Hitler mial analogiczny stosunek do traktatu wersalskiego, co z tego wyniklo, wiedza ci, co
kupowali schab na kartki za PRLu. Tego typu filozofia nie moze byc usprawiedliwieniem, stad jush tylko krok do poddania
w watpliwosc praw wlasnosci autora do swojego programu. Skoro sam go skopiowalem na dysk, jest na moim dysku to jest moj mozna by powiedziec. Odnoszac to do crackerow, takie postepowanie to krok, a nawet uklon w kierunku masowego piractwa.
I nie ma co zaprzeczac faktom. Nic nie zmieni aktualnego stanu rzeczy, zadna badziewna etyka, kreowanie crackera na bandyte albo zbawce to tylko puste slowa. Tak naprawde to problem crackerow w Polsce faktycznie nie istnieje w odczuciu spolecznym na dzien dzisiejszy, kilka amatorskich wzmianek w bankrutujacym czasopismie, troche notek w gazetach i to wszystko. Programisci siedza cicho, bo i tak niewiele moga przy rynku w 90% pirackim, doskonalosci naszych organow scigania i zachowaniu sie spoleczenstwa. Dlatego nie ma co, tworzyc wyidealizowanego i gornolotnego wizerunku crackera bo i po co. Sami reverserzy znaja swoja wartosc, i maja wlasne zdanie na ten temat, reszta swiata nic o nas nie wie, i nie chce wiedziec, wiec do kogo maja byc skierowane te manifesty wybielajace lamaczy lepiej niz sam wielki ACE?
Panowie, mozna dyskutowac o roznych aspektach crackerskiem dzialalnosci, ale nie popadajmy w skrajnosci. Jesli masz watpliwosci natury moralnej to nie crackuj, przestan subskrybowac liste i zajmij sie prostowaniem bananow lub czyms rownie zajmuajcym. Na liscie nie ma miejsca dla kaznodziei okazjonalnie gloszacych slowo boze (WROGIM AGENTOM i PROWOKATOROM MOWIMY STOP). Co ciekawe takim pieprzeniem zajmuja sie ludzie, zazwyczaj po raz pierwszy zabierajacy glos na liscie. Czyzby proba wybicia sie?
[Disclaimer]
Text ten powstal tuz po zlamaniu kolejnego polskiego programu, mogacego smialo konkurowac z zachodnimi prodami, a zawierajacego sztandarowe porownanie CMP. Panowie wstyd i hanba.
Niektorzy zarzuca mi, ze to ja moralizuje fakajac na crackerow, a sam uprawiam ten "chamski" proceder.
Well, osobiscie wole byc inteligentym chamem niz chamskim inteligentem.
Gomulka zwykl mawiac:
"Polska przed 39 rokiem stala tuz nad przepascia, MY zrobilismy wielki krok naprzod"

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Szukalem w archiwom ze stycznia 200 i z grudznia 99 i wiele nie ma rpm. jest
tylko jak go zlamac podmieniajac wartosci w rejestrze. A ja chcialbym go
zlamac smart chekiem(jak sie da). Lub czyms innym... A moze gdzies indzej w
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>> wstawke asemblerowa. a tak na marginesie czy ktos kiedys napisal wirusa w
>> Delphi albo BC++...
>
>chyba teoretyczniejest to mozliwe; ale jak przemycic vira 200KB???
>(Delphi):)))


heh... 200kb? :) ja pisalem wirusa.. ;) tzn. nie wirusa.. ;) konia
trojanskiego

i wcale nie mial 200kb ;)

w delphi jest cos jak programowanie w czystym winapi.. ;)

bart zrobil kiedys keygena w delphi w czystym winapi i mial pare kilo :)

durga mozliwosc..

dlaczego pliki delphi maja 200kb.. ;) nawet pusty program? :)  a no
dlatego.. ze w przeciwienstwie do Visual Basic.. ma on dllki w sobie.. a nie
gdzies tam.. ;)

w opcji kompilowania, mozna mu to wylaczyc.. ;) jezeli ktos ma zainstalowane
dllki z delphi to mu pojdzie prog normalnie;)

wowczas ma takze pare kilo ;)

maxibogas@tepsa.lame.pl


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On Sun, 19 Mar 2000, Ptasiek wrote:

>Kiedyz, co poniektorzy zrozumieja, ze cracker to zlodziej tyle ze
>zazwyczaj nieco inteligentniejszy od chama idacego z bejsbolem na
>wystawe jubilera. I nie probujcie polemizowac w tym punkcie wysuwajac
>jako argument poczucie misji crackera bo z tego co widze, to nawet
>firma reklamujaca pralki ma jakas misje do spelnienia. To slowo sie
>jush zdewaluowalo i teraz tylko osmiesza konktekst w jakim zostalo
>wypowiedziane.

Wbrew pozorom, to czym si=EA zajmuj=B1 go=B6cie od zabezpiecze=F1 programowych
to nie tylko =B3amanie program=F3w i wypuszczanie seriali do nich. Zajrzyj
na http://ceti.pl/~kravietz/snews/article.php3/150 - to te=BF robota
specjalist=F3w w tej dziedzinie. Tak samo jak wcze=B6niej z=B3amany I-Gear
albo ca=B3a sprawa DeCSS. Wszyscy ci ludzie faktycznie naruszyli w jaki=B6
spos=F3b prawo lub przynajmniej umowy licencyjne, ale... no w=B3a=B6nie - jak
dla mnie ich dzia=B3alno=B6=E6 jest po=BFyteczna i po=BF=B1dana.

> Ktos zasugerowal tutaj przyjecie kryterium korzysci jako wyznacznika
> przestepstwa.  IMHO chyba chcial tylko uciszyc sumienie, prosty
> kontrargument: odwrocmy zagadnienie i przyjmijmy bynajmniej nie
> iluzoryczne kryterium strat, jakie ponosza programisci, ktorych produkty
> sa brutalnie gwalcone przez tony nielegalnych s/n.  To zmienia calkowicie
> postac rzeczy nieuwazasz? Produkcja i korzystanie z crackow na wlasny
> uzytek sa rowniez chamskie wobec autorow programow. Z kolei czesc ludzi
> nazywajacych sie crackerami lansuje teze, ze skoro prawo nie chroni
> uzytkownika, dajac nadmierne przywileje licencjodawcy, to trzeba to
> prawo zanegowac, a korzystajacych z niego zgnoic.

Ja si=EA wcze=B6niej wypowiada=B3em na ten temat i sugerowa=B3em =BFe je=B6li prawo jest
z=B3e, to nale=BFy si=EA mu sprzeciwia=E6 - z tym =BFe za sprzeciw nie uwa=BFam bynajmniej
u=BFywania pirackiego oprogramowania i w tym wzgl=EAdzie jestem czysty. 

Prawda jest taka, =BFe obecnie tworzone prawo autorskie i pokrewne jest
tworzone pod coraz silniejszym wp=B3ywem lobby producent=F3w, kt=F3rzy - jak
si=EA =B3atwo domy=B6li=E6 - zabiegaj=B1 o sw=F3j interes, a nie interes u=BFytkownika.
Nie wiem czy zdajesz sobie spraw=EA, jakie prawa producentom oprogramowania
daje wprowadzana obecnie w USA nowa ustawa UCITA - zasadniczo, producent
mo=BFe wszystko, u=BFytkownik nie mo=BFe nic. Producent ma prawo zablokowa=E6
dzia=B3anie kupionego przez Ciebie programu, je=B6li tylko chce. U=BFytkownik
nie ma prawa publicznie informowa=E6 nikogo, =BFe dany program zawiera 
b=B3=EAdy, co to za b=B3=EAdy i jak je mo=BFna obej=B6=E6. O reverse engineeringu zapomnij,
a przecie=BF chyba ka=BFde obecne prawodawstwo (w tym polskie) dopuszcza
deasemblacj=EA i analiz=EA dzia=B3ania programu je=B6li wymaga tego zapewnienie
kompatybilno=B6ci z innym programem.


> I nie ma co zaprzeczac faktom. Nic nie zmieni aktualnego stanu rzeczy,
> zadna badziewna etyka, kreowanie crackera na bandyte albo zbawce to tylko
> puste slowa. Tak naprawde to problem crackerow w Polsce faktycznie nie
> istnieje w odczuciu spolecznym na dzien dzisiejszy, kilka amatorskich
> wzmianek w bankrutujacym czasopismie, troche notek w gazetach i to
> wszystko. Programisci siedza cicho, bo i tak niewiele moga przy rynku
> w 90% pirackim, doskonalosci naszych organow scigania i zachowaniu sie
> spoleczenstwa.

Komentarze na temat organ=F3w =B6cigania zostawmy na razie na boku. Mnie ju=BF
nic nie zdziwi, od kiedy do znajmej firmy wpad=B3a policja i zarekwirowa=B3a
jako pirackie wszystkie CD, kt=F3re nie mia=B3y hologramu Microsoftu. Miesi=B1c
wcze=B6niej MS robi=B3 policji szkolenie antypirackie i takie w=B3a=B6nie podali
kryterium nielegalno=B6ci programu ;)

Co do programist=F3w, to wizerunek wychud=B3ego programisty, kt=F3rego dzieci
g=B3oduj=B1 przez pirat=F3w te=BF nie ma zbyt wiele wsp=F3lnego z prawd=B1 i jest
zwykle lansowany przez go=B6ci od public relations pracuj=B1cych dla wielkich,
mi=EAdzynarodowych korporacji. Co ciekawe, cz=EAsto si=EA czyta w gazetach
wypowiedzi r=F3=BFnych mened=BFer=F3w, =BFe ich firma przyk=B3adowo straci=B3a n*10^6
USD z powodu piractwa. Jak to si=EA liczy? Bierze si=EA szacunkow=B1 liczb=EA
pirackich kopii na rynku i mno=BFy przez cen=EA programu. Za=B3o=BFenie jest
takie, =BFe gdyby istnia=B3 jaki=B6 100% skuteczny spos=F3b walki z piractwem
to ka=BFdy z obecnych u=BFytkownik=F3w kupi=B3by swoj=B1 kopi=EA. Ma=B3o kto si=EA
zastanawia, =BFe w takim wypadku du=BFa cz=EA=B6=E6 u=BFytkownik=F3w wybra=B3aby ta=F1sze
lub darmowe odpowiedniki danego programu. W chwili obecnej wi=EAkszo=B6=E6
ludzi u=BFywaj=B1cych pirackiego softu nie wykorzystuje nawet u=B3amka ich
mo=BFliwo=B6ci, a nowe wersje instaluje bo kumple robi=B1 to samo.

BTW czy by=B3by=B6 tak uprzejmy, =BFeby ustawi=E6 sobie w programie pocztowym
zawijanie po 76 znakach? Dla Ciebie to =BFadna r=F3=BFnica, a dla innych
spore u=B3atwienie w czytaniu Twoich list=F3w i odpisywaniu na nie.

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Witajcie towarzysze,

Jakas polska firma napisaly wlasnie ten program... niestety
nie wpadla
na pomysl zrobienia dema - wie ktos gdzie mozna to znalezc ?

gor=B9co pozdrawiam
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Hi
> kiedy pisalem slowo 'lamerzy' na mysl przyszedl mi jeden punktow
regolaminu
> grupy aby nie naduzywac tege rodzaju slow. pomyslalem (a jakze) chwile,
> poczym dokonczylem zdanie i nacisnolem enter. dlaczego? swoja przygode z
> komputerami zaczolem majac 5 - 6 lat (czyli dobre dwadziescia lat temu,
> kiedy wiekszosc z was rczkowala, albo byla dopiero w planach)
 aha czyli to ze ja swoja przygode z komputerami zaczalem 10 lat temu
oznacza ze jestem lamerem???
znam wiele osob ktore urodzily sie z klawiaturka w rekach a mimo to nie
widza polowy tego co wiekszosc osob z listy
(z ktorych przynajmniej czesc ma kompa dopiero kilka lat)
i dlatego tez mam ich nazywac crackerami/hackerami itp. a tych z listy
lamerami???
>widzisz wiec MIETOR, jesli chodzi o mnie to
> moge podac ci kilka definicji lamera (pierwsza ta najprawdziwsza bylo to
ze
> lamer zamiast tworzyc scene najzwyczajniej sobie gra na kompie -
lameruje).
czyli lamerem jest kazda!!! osoba ktora dotyka komputera i jednoczesnie nie
hackuje/crackuje itp.
> zgodnie z tym co napisales, a ztym co ja napisalem wczesniej mialem
wszelkie
> prawo aby nazwac GREKA lamerem (za co go juz zreszta przeprosilem i
sytuacje
> wyjasnilem).
to po co przepraszales kiedy i tak uwazasz go za lamera???
kiedy ja zaczynalem i bylem calkowitym beginnerem (co nie oznacza ze teraz
uwazam sie za wielkiego KRAKERSA) to nikt na liscie sie ze mnie nie smial
ani nie nazywal mnie lamerem chyba ze ja sam
>oczywiscie lamer nie rowna sie zazwyczaj beginer (a tak chyba
> powinien napisac) bo i wsrod elity pelno jest lamerow. mowiac nieco
ogolniej
> i poddajac kwintesencji definicje lamera stwierdzam, ze lamer to frajer,
> cwaniaczek, zlodziej czyichs pomyslow, ktos niewarty uwagi za swe
> przewinienia, ktorego najlepiej poddac jest banicji.
tu juz lepiej :)
>denerwuje
> mnie natomiast sprawa cwaniaczkow (czyli lamerow - patrz wyzej)
Ptasiek-lamer; Mietor-lamer; Lukep-lamer;  kogos pominalem???
>, ktorzy
> programuja w Delphi czy BC++ (nie mowie juz o asm)
aha to programowanie w asemblerze jest czyms zlym??? ja myslalem ze to
oznaka inteligencji ;)
> i wydaje im sie ze sa bog
> wie kim. sprawa naturalna jest, ze nie mozna w VB napisac programu
> wstawke asemblerowa. a tak na marginesie czy ktos kiedys napisal wirusa w
> Delphi albo BC++...
a w VB jest to mozliwe tylko do pliku z wirusem trzeba dolaczyc VBRUN???.DLL
;) aha i powiedziec gostkowi zeby skopiowal do katalog windows\system

PS. Mialem sie nie udzielac bo takie rozmowy prowadza do niczego. Nawet
przez pewien czas mi sie udawalo ale jednak zdecydowalem dorzucic swoje 3
grosze.

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> Napisalem generator plikow licencji do RATS-736. Nie wiem jednak
> czy grupowicze sa zaiteresowani tematem. Jak bedzie wiecej postow 
> to omowie metode "zlamania" oraz sam algorytm szyfrowania na lamach 
> listy.
> 
> -=3DBarT=3D-

Chetnie bym sie zapoznal z tym generatorem i metoda.
Jesli nie przez liste -  to na priv.
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CZe all

 Mam pewien problem, spodobal mi sie ten prog, lecz nie moge go rozwalic.
Napisalem do niego cracka, ale to nie wszystko, chcialem rozgrysc procedurke
sprawdzajaca poprawnosc kodu ale ... ten prog tak jakby nie sprawdza tego
... Mam juz wiele progow na koncie i wydawalo mi sie, ze jestem dobry w te
klocki, lecz przy tym sofcie wymieklem. Please pomozcie !!!! Aha prog lezy
na ftp://ftp.win-tech.com/demos/sktspy32.zip ( 1175K ).

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 00-03-19 o 16:24 czasu zimowego Pawe=B3 Krawczyk napisal:

>albo ca=B3a sprawa DeCSS. Wszyscy ci ludzie faktycznie naruszyli w jaki=B6
>spos=F3b prawo lub przynajmniej umowy licencyjne, ale... no w=B3a=B6nie -
jak
>dla mnie ich dzia=B3alno=B6=E6 jest po=BFyteczna i po=BF=B1dana.

hm., to, ze zlamanie zabezpieczen przed kopiowaniem uwazasz za pozytywne
zjawisko to nie najlepiej swiadczy o Tobie uwzgledniajac Twoja opinie o
piractwie.
Nie powiesz chyba, ze jedyna korzyscia jaka tu dostrzegasz bedzie
kopiowanie legalnie zakupionego dvd'ka na potrzeby rodziny;)
Taka dzialalnosc ma o wiele wiecej wspolnego z piractwem niz chocby
nasze amatorskie poczynania.

>Ja si=EA wcze=B6niej wypowiada=B3em na ten temat i sugerowa=B3em =BFe
je=B6li prawo jest
>z=B3e, to nale=BFy si=EA mu sprzeciwia=E6 

"Dura lex sed lex"

>a przecie=BF chyba ka=BFde obecne prawodawstwo (w tym polskie) dopuszcza

Heh, z tego co slyszalem to szykuje sie kolejna nowela ustawy o prawach
autorskich.
Niestety nie mam zadnych informacji co do przewidywanej pozycji uzytkownika
wobec autora, ale z pewnoscia nie bedzie ona najlepsza.

>Co do programist=F3w, to wizerunek wychud=B3ego programisty, kt=F3rego
dzieci
>g=B3oduj=B1 przez pirat=F3w te=BF nie ma zbyt wiele wsp=F3lnego z prawd=B1
i jest
>zwykle lansowany przez go=B6ci od public relations pracuj=B1cych dla
wielkich,
>mi=EAdzynarodowych korporacji. Co ciekawe, cz=EAsto si=EA czyta w gazetach
>wypowiedzi r=F3=BFnych mened=BFer=F3w, =BFe ich firma przyk=B3adowo
straci=B3a n*10^6
>USD z powodu piractwa. Jak to si=EA liczy? Bierze si=EA szacunkow=B1
liczb=EA
>pirackich kopii na rynku i mno=BFy przez cen=EA programu. Za=B3o=BFenie
jest
>takie, =BFe gdyby istnia=B3 jaki=B6 100% skuteczny spos=F3b walki z
piractwem

Taak, problemem nurtujacym nas wszystkich jest po prostu przerzucenie
ciezaru
odpowiedzialnosci z programisty na usera. Poprzez bezprawne obostrzenia
w umowach licencyjnych producenci staraja sie w sposob ponadmaxymalny 
ograniczyc prawa uzytkownika, sami wchodzac w kolizje z obowiazujacymi
przepisami. Jednak, nie ma co sie ludzic, wszytkie one sa w istocie
martwymi zapisami nierealizowanymi w praktyce. W Polsce lobby producenckie
nie jest zbyt silne, no chyba, ze dodamy do niego zAIKS i tego typu
organizacje. O ile w USA naciski sektora informatycznego na wladze
ustawodawcza
trwaja jush ponad 20 lat, tak u nas nadal nie dostrzega sie tego problemu,
zas
kazda operacja przeciw piratom ma zwykle charakter pokazowki obliczonej na
rozdmuchanie
jej przez media. Chociaz, niestety musze przyznac, ze ta sytuacja powoli
zaczyna sie
zmieniac. Ostatnio policjancji w zamian za zlapanie kilku handlarzy dostali
od wspomnianego
zaiksu radiowoz or sth like that. Czyzby, nasi stroze prawa, zaczynali byc
prywatna reka sprawiedliwosci. (jesli tak to ja glosuje przeciwko
prywatyzacji i wyprzedazy
majatku narodowego).

PS. Dobrze by bylo, gdybys przestal uzywac polskich znaczkow, dla Ciebie
niewielka zmiana, a dla
innych duze ulatwienie przy czytaniu:)


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Hi

Jako, ze nie obchodzi mnie(i jak przypuszczam wiekszosci listowiczow)
Twoja polemika z Mietorem skupie sie jedynie na czesci dotyczacej VB

 00-03-19 o 01:32 czasu zimowego Simkin napisal:

[..]
>no i na koniec sprawa ostatnia, czyli o co tak naprawde chodzi z VB. otoz
>niezaprzeczalnym faktem faktem jest, ze latwiej jest nauczyc sie VB niz
>Delphi czy BC++. kiedy poruszalem kwestie VB to chodzilo mi o prostote
tego
>jezyka i skladnie. nie interesowala mnie absolutnie struktura, czy tez
>sposob lamania zabezpieczen programowych, bo to odchodzi na plan dalszy
dla
>poczotkujacego programisty. i dlatego VB do konca dni swoich bedzie
jezykiem

Bardzo przepraszam, ale czy Ty wiesz, czemu poswiecona jest ta lista.
Jak mogles przypuszczac, ze nikt nie poruszy tutaj kwestii budowy, czy
sposobu
zabezpieczania progow VB. Jesli to nie lezy w obrebie Twoich zainteresowan
to moze nalezalo zaprezentowac swoje umiejetnosci w skryptowaniu
chocby na pl.comp.lang.vbasic, a nie rzucac sie na kazde zle slowo o tymze
produkcie M$.
Fakt, wiekszosc jezykow wysokiego poziomu ma jasno sprecyzowane cele, do
jakich
zostaly przeznaczone, ale VB nie miesci sie w zadnej kategorii.
Multimedialnosc windowsa mowisz, 
wnioskuje, ze znasz asm'a, wiec sam wiesz, co mozna z nim zdzialac w tej
materii, a 
za to o wiele mniejszym kosztem (rozmiar i szybkosc). wstawka asemblerowa w
VB, to
jush zakrawa na kpine ciekawe jak taki potworek wyglada.
I na koniec sprawa 'lamerow', licz sie ze slowami, kiedys na liscie
zbluzgalem
czlowieka fakajacego na vbasicowcow, teraz moge to zrobic w druga strone.
Najwiekszym glupstwem, ktore popelniaja obie strony w swym zacietrzewieniu 
jest utozsamianie programistow, z opinia nt. jezyka, w jakim tworza.
Zauwaz, ze kierujac sie tymy samymi przeslankami co Ty moglbym stwierdzic, 
ze decydujac sie na nauke VB poszedles na latwizne, chcac zablysnac w
jakims srodowisku 
umiejetnosciami zdobytymi w ciagu jednego dnia. Osobiscie do Ciebie nic nie
mam, i chyba 
lepiej, zeby tak zostalo;)

PS Zreszta nie potrzebnie wywolales burze w szklance wody, trzeba bylo
poczytac archiwum
listy, polecam slowa kluczowe: vb sux
wtedy zastanowilbys sie, czy warto zaczynac dyskusje...
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> Czy ma ktos sposob na Borland Buildera C++ 5.0 Enterprise Trial?
...o crack.

*Na stronie www.vvv.pl/~aaocg




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> Czesc wszystkim.
> Na kwietniowym Enterze (zreszta bardziej badziewnym niz zazwyczaj, bo
tylko z jedna plyta)
> wypatrzylem takie cosik co sie nazywa Rubber Duck 2.30
> Program ma swietny algorytm rejestracyjny, poprostu miodzio.
> Widzac, ze zrobienie s/n bedzie piekielnie trudne, wiec zabralem sie za
patcha.
> Niestety na razie znalazlem tylko dwa checkpointy sprawdzajace
> status programu. Naprawde, widac, ze w tym przypadku autor postaral sie...
> Polecam, prog, i czekam na informacje o nim.
> PS. nie dajcie sie nabrac na pierwsze i drugie porownanie -2, -3 z EBP,
> pierwsze prowadzi w nieskonczona petle, drugie to CODE EXPIRED.

*Fajny, kiedys bawilem sie 2.0 i udalo mi sie rozwalic, tylko save z file
dzialal, z konsoli za cholere nie chcial...

Zdrowko i powodzenia

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No bracia i siostry, i Ty Ptaskiu drogi tez :).
DeCSS powstal bo nie bylo progga do odgrywania DVD
na Linuxie. Dlaczego jako konsument mam tracic bo
m$ i jemu podobni bojkotuja akurat ta platforme?
Nie wiem jaki jest sens bysmy wzajemnie
zasypywali sie coraz krwawszymi obrazkami tych
biednych programistow co to z niedozywienia przez
szpary w drzwiach przechodza. Albo placzem jakto my
naruszamy prawo. Osobiscie jestem zwolennikiem idei
"Knowledge like sex is the best when free" i do niej 
dostosowuje swoj sposob pojmowania swiata. 
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> > Czesc wszystkim.
> > Na kwietniowym Enterze (zreszta bardziej badziewnym niz zazwyczaj, bo
> tylko z jedna plyta)
> > wypatrzylem takie cosik co sie nazywa Rubber Duck 2.30
> > Program ma swietny algorytm rejestracyjny, poprostu miodzio.
> > Widzac, ze zrobienie s/n bedzie piekielnie trudne, wiec zabralem sie za
> patcha.
> > Niestety na razie znalazlem tylko dwa checkpointy sprawdzajace
> > status programu. Naprawde, widac, ze w tym przypadku autor postaral
sie...
> > Polecam, prog, i czekam na informacje o nim.
> > PS. nie dajcie sie nabrac na pierwsze i drugie porownanie -2, -3 z EBP,
> > pierwsze prowadzi w nieskonczona petle, drugie to CODE EXPIRED.
>
> *Fajny, kiedys bawilem sie 2.0 i udalo mi sie rozwalic, tylko save z file
> dzialal, z konsoli za cholere nie chcial...
>
> Zdrowko i powodzenia
>
> lukep

Hejka
Ja takze zabralem sie za ten programik, ale ten serial to jest duzy problem.
Korzystajac z Softica zmodyfikowalem "troche" procke sprawdzajaca serial,tak
aby sprawdzala wszystkie mozliwe seriale, ale sprawdzanie typu "brute force"
czyli znak po znaku nie dalo mi rezultatow (zbyt wolno) i po kwadransie
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On Mon, 20 Mar 2000, Ptasiek wrote:

> hm., to, ze zlamanie zabezpieczen przed kopiowaniem uwazasz za pozytywne
> zjawisko to nie najlepiej swiadczy o Tobie uwzgledniajac Twoja opinie o
> piractwie.

Doedukuj sie. Zacznij od http://www.opendvd.org/. CSS nie uniemozliwia
kopiowania DVD, zaszyfrowany dysk mozesz skopiowac bez problemow
nie rozszyfrowujac go - bajt po bajcie, bez rozumienia tresci.

CSS uniemozliwial (czas przeszly jest tu odpowiedni ;) odtwarzanie
legalnie zakupionego krazka na nieautoryzowanym odtwarzaczu. Zgodzisz
sie chyba ze z punktu widzenia ochrony praw autorskich takie ograniczenie
jest tutaj zupelnie nieuzasadnione?  A sam DeCSS (jak juz tutaj zauwazyl jeden
z kolegow) zostal napisany bo goscie chcieli odtwarzac DVD pod Linuxem.

> PS. Dobrze by bylo, gdybys przestal uzywac polskich znaczkow, dla Ciebie
> niewielka zmiana, a dla
> innych duze ulatwienie przy czytaniu:)

Nie ma sprawy ;)

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Hi.

Ostatnio bawilem sie pakietami Ulead..., wiekszosc bez problemu da sie
doprowadzic do pelnej 100% funkcjonalnosci.., co wiecej jest sposob na ich
rejestrowanie (np. Cool3D i inne ktore maja podobne nagi z about.dll albo
u32cfg.dll) i mozna sobie odpuscic crack z usuwaniem nag-a. Opisze ten
sposob jak dopracuje wszystko do konca. Wlasciwie to mozna zrobic automat
rejestrujac 90% programow ulead.

Problem jest innej natury... ostatnio ulead zabezpiecza dodatkowo progsy
vbox410. Jezeli zapodaje to na exe'kach to nie ma problemu..mozna go w
pelni usunac albo procdumpem albo nawet recznie pod SI. Klopot jest jezeli
zabezpieczone (czyt. pack/crypt) nim sa dll. Mozna to znalesc w pakietach
pluginow do PhotoShopa i innych (np. FXRazor czy Gif-XPlugin z ostatniego
Entera).

Czy ktos kiedykolwiek probowal rozpakowac recznie .dll'a, albo ma jakis
pomysl jak sie za to zabrac ?.. Kombinowalem ale niemoge sobie dac rady..,
zrobilem np. progsa ktory wywoluje sobie funkcje z spakowanego dll'a co
powoduje automatycznie zaladowanie vboxa ale jest tak zamieszane ze sie
troche gubie a raczej nie moge znalesc istotnych danych aby je w jakis
sposob zrzucic i zrekonstruowac dll'a (a jak wiadomo troche to inaczej niz
z exe'kami).

W kazdym razie jak ktos cos z tym pracowal to prosze o kontakt a jak nie
moze ktos wspomoze mnie w tym :-)...i cos wymyslimy.

Pozdrowka
GustawKit


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>Ala, Znasz seriall do DEUTSCHER TRANSLATORA ?

A moze ktos juz nad tym siedzial ?

Jest lepiej zabezpieczony od english translatora !!!!

ktory mial zabezpieczenie do zlamania w 7 min.

Kto sprawdzi to zabezpieczenie ?? w nowej wersji

Ja nie mam pomyslu

Jest calkiem fajne (FDD 1,44 jako klucz do cd)


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Bylem. Jest tam tylko crack do C++ Buildera 4.0! A moze niedowidze!
Sie ma
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> > Czy ma ktos sposob na Borland Buildera C++ 5.0 Enterprise Trial?
> ...o crack.
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> *Na stronie www.vvv.pl/~aaocg


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Moglby mi ktos powiedziec, jak zrobic takie proste cos:

tzn. jak sprawdzic w asmie, czy jest uruchomiony plik xxx.exe ? :)
tylko prosze.. nie FindWindowExA ;)

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Hello Milimetr i grupa,

Thursday, March 16, 2000, 12:39:41 PM, you wrote:

M> Prosz=EA jesli nie sprwi ci to k=B3obotu o podanie dok=B3adnego adresu, by m=F3c =B6ci=B1gn=B1=E6 tego proga.Szuka=B3em na sttronie CeQuadrat lecz nie jest udost=EApniona =BFadna wersja do =B6ci=B1gni=EAcia. B=EAd=EA batdzo
M> wdzi=EAczny.

M> Pozdr=F3wko MILIMETR


 ze wzgledu na mase maili do mnie wysylam adres na grupe
 i nie pytajcie sie osobno mnie gdzie sa progsy
 jest tam swieze w miare miesko do cwiczen

 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D>  tu nizej

http://www.brennmeister.de/

i takie tam progsy;

00-03-09)  CloneCD 2.0.2.3 deutsch,  Mirror  (1,3 MB)
(00-03-09)  CloneCD 2.0.2.3 englisch,  Mirror  (1,3 MB)
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(00-03-03)  WinAMP 2.61 basic  (0,6 MB)
(00-03-02)  Yamaha CRW8424E Firmware 1.0g  (0,4 MB)
(00-03-02)  Fireburner 1.06 beta 5b  (0,3 MB)
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(00-02-26)  Prassi PrimoCD Plus Update auf 1.1.356  (2,7 MB)
(00-02-23)  Plextor PX-W124 Firmware 1.02 (Win32 SFX)  (0,4 MB)
(00-02-22)  cdrtools 1.8.1a01 Win32 Binaries  (0,3 MB)
(00-02-21)  Easy CDDA Extractor 4.01  (2,5 MB)
(00-02-21)  Sony CRX-100 Firmware 1.0N  (0,2 MB)
(00-02-21)  ISO Buster 0.99.2  (0,4 MB)
 
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     News 
(00-03-09)  Mal wieder ein Update f=FCr CloneCD
(00-03-09)  BlindRead 3.0.0.21
(00-03-07)  Acer-Firmware & weitere Tests des PX-W124
(00-03-07)  cdrecord 1.8.1a02
(00-03-07)  CDR Identifier 1.50
(00-03-07)  CDRWin 3.8A fast fertig
(00-03-06)  Farbige Rohlinge von Mitsui
(00-03-06)  Nero und Windows 2000
(00-03-05)  CloneCD 2.0.2.1 - Fix f=FCr VXD-Problem
(00-03-03)  Neues LAME-Plugin f=FCr Easy CDDA Extractor
(00-03-03)  Updates f=FCr Feurio und WinOnCD
(00-03-03)  Neuer WinAMP
(00-03-03)  CloneCD 2 ist da
(00-03-02)  PX-W124-Test aktualisiert
(00-03-02)  Yamaha-Firmwareupdate
(00-03-02)  Und schon wieder: Neue Fireburner-Beta
(00-03-01)  Neue Fireburner-Beta
(00-03-01)  =D6ffentlich zug=E4ngliche Feurio-Betaversion
(00-03-01)  BlindRead-Update
(00-02-28)  Neue Versionen von Sonique und AudioGrabber
(00-02-27)  Ein paar Vermutungen zur PX-W124 Firmware 1.03
(00-02-27)  Plextor PX-W124TSi im Test
(00-02-26)  Eine kleine Flash-Anleitung f=FCr den Sony CRX-100/HP8100i
(00-02-26)  CloneCD 2 kommt
(00-02-26)  Liste der RW-f=E4higen AudioCD-Player aktualisiert
(00-02-26)  Diverse Kleinigkeiten
(00-02-26)  Neues von Prassi Europe
(00-02-25)  Andreas Richter's WinOnCD-FAQ
 
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Feurio 1.31 
CDRWin 3.8A 
Nero 4.0.8.3 
CloneCD 2.0.2.3 
DiscJuggler 1.05.402 
cdrecord 1.8.1a01 

CDR Identifier 1.50 
CDR Diagnostics 1.50 
WinImage 5.0 
ISO Buster 0.99.2 
BlindRead 3.0.0.21 
CD Bremse 1.05 
CD Vergleich 1.02 
CD Speed 0.66 

AudioGrabber 1.62 
CDex 1.20 
EAC 0.9prebeta3 
CDDAE 0.2 
Easy CDDAE 4.01 
WinDAC 1.50 

WinAMP 2.61 
Sonique 1.50beta 
 
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Hello wszystkim

(moze juz to widzieliscie)
Jak ktos ma problemy z odlaczeniem z Inetu a uzywa IE 5 to moze sie odlaczyc
na tej strone:
http://www.free.net.pl/~hajdu/index.html
powinno dzialac :))

UWAGA:
Upewnij sie ze nie robisz nic WAZNEGO i mozesz sobie pozwolic na RESET
ktory jest bezwzglednie zalecany (chyba powinienem napisac niezbedny) po
ogladaniu tej strony (no chyba ze masz IE 4 lub Netscape, albo jeszcze cos innego).

Teraz moge zrobic list w HTML do goscia co ma Outlooka i IE 5
I co?.... facet zg=B3upieje kiedy bedzie chcial podgladn=B9=E6 ten list (viva blue screen)...
Microsoft jest wielki !!! i Kocha niebieski kolor tak jak ja !!!


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Hello wszystkim

Jak ktos ma problemy z odlaczeniem z Inetu a uzywa IE 5 to moze sie odlaczyc
na tej strone:
http://www.free.net.pl/~hajdu/index.html
powinno dzialac :))

UWAGA:
Upewnij sie ze nie robisz nic WAZNEGO i mozesz sobie pozwolic na RESET
ktory jest bezwzglednie zalecany (chyba powinienem napisac niezbedny) po
ogladaniu tej strony (no chyba ze masz IE 4 lub Netscape, albo jeszcze cos innego).

Teraz moge zrobic list w HTML do goscia co ma Outlooka i IE 5
I co?.... facet zg=B3upieje kiedy bedzie chcial podgladn=B9=E6 ten list (viva blue screen)...
Microsoft jest wielki !!! i Kocha niebieski kolor tak jak ja !!!


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Tia.... to moze skonczymy juz sie bawic w ta etyke.... ja osobiscie
wolalbym poczytac sobie cos na temat zabezpieczen, programowania,
tudziez kryptografi.....
Osobiscie wkurzaja mnie klotnie typu "ktory jezyk jest lepszy" albo czy
"Cracker to zly hacker" lub "Czy jak zalamie program, napisze cracka i
nie wezme kasy, to zlamie prawo"... i tak kazdy ma swoje zdanie i raczej
go nie zmieni.... niech kazdy postepuje tak jak uwaza.....

To wszystko co mam do powiedzenia na ten temat.

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Hi!

Chcialbym zlamac program NetObject Fusion 5.0... ale niestety jest
zabezpieczony Vbox'em :-((( Nie wiem jak go podejsc..... prosze o
pomoc.... bede bardzo wdzieczny za wszelkie info :-)))

I jeszcze jedno : Czy jest mozliwosc zrobienia patha do programow
spakowanych, lub zakodowanych??? Czy do tego trzeba miec odpowiednie
narzedzia do kodowania (kompresji), czy wystarczy sam Hview???

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Hejka!

Ja osobiscie nie korzystalbym z algorytmu RLE (jak go nazwal jeden z
grupowiczow).... Jest on dobry, ale do kompresji rysunkow z painta, a
nie do kompresjikodu wykonywalnego.... Tak przy okazji, to z tego co
wiem, to jest on podstawa formatu *.PCX.
Mysle, ze lepszym rozwiazaniem byloby zastosowanie algorytmu
Huffmana.... Idea jego dzialania jest zastepowanie najczesciej
wystepujacych symboli krotkimi kodami (1 bit), a najrzadziej
wystepujacych dluzszymi.....

Przyklad:

Mamy do zakodowania ciag znakow:

A B A C A D D B A A F C C B

Ustawiamy wg czestosci wystepowania:

A C B D F
5  3  3 2 1

Przyporzadkujemy kody wg drzewka:

A       C        B     D        F
 \          \         \       \       /
  \          \         \       0   1
   \          \         \       \ /
    \          \         \       *
     \          \         0    1
      \          \          \  /
       \          \          *
        \          \        /
         \          0     1
           \           \ /
            |-0-*-1-|
                  |
            START

(jezeli nic z tego drzewka nie widzisz, to znaczy, ze masz inne fonty
niz ja ;-))

Teraz dla kodow:

A - 0
C - 10
B - 110
D - 1110
F - 1111

Nasze dane po zakodowaniu beda wygladac nastepujaco:
0 110 0 10 0 1110 1110 110 0 0 1111 10 10 110

Daje to 32 bity (4 bajty)

podczas gdy orginalny tekst (przy zalozeniu ze jeden znak=8 bitow)
zajmowal 14 bajtow

Czyli latwo policzyc stopien kompresji:

(14-4)*100
---------------= 71% :-))))
       14

Po wiecej szczegolow odsylam do internetu pod haslo algorytm
Huffmana.... jest on dosc znany, wiec latwo o jego opis :-)))

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bracia crackerzy (cholera ale to zabrzmialo). w zwiazku z tym ze niektorz z
nas watpia w mozliwosci innych (vide ptasiek) postanowilem zaproponowac
zrobienie czegos na wzor olimpiady otoz zalozenia sa taki:

1. zglaszamy swoje uczestnictwo w olimpiadzie
2. kazdy pisze najlepszy w swoim zyciu program crackme, ktory moze
realizowac rozne funkcje (ale tylko jedna)
3. w kolejnosci alfabetycznej uczestnicy wysylaja na liste stuff swoj
program (np. najpierw wysyla swoj program A i wszyscy go lamia, kiedy
program A jest zlamany to wysyla swoj program B. itd)
4. osoba, ktora pierwsza zlamie dany program dostaje punkt (decyduje data i
godzina wyslania odpowiedzi na liste forum)
5. osoba, ktora zbierze najwiecej punktow zostaje mistrzem (to chyba zbyt
mocna powiedziane)
6. kazdy program po zakonczeniu olimpiady jest szczegolowo omawiany pod
wzgledem budowy i metody jego zlamania

czemu to ma sluzyc. przede wszystkim dobrej zabawie. nastepnie aby wniesc
troche swiezosci w scene polskiego cracku. aby przelamac pewne bariery
niedostepnych guru. aby pozyskac nowe pomysly na lamanie i zabezpieczanie
softu. moge jeszcze dalej ale niech kazdy w swoim zakresie wypowie sie na
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soro ze na forum, ale to najprostsza i najwygodniejsza forma aby dokonczyc
cos co sie kiedyz zaczelo. dlatego slow kilka do moich adversarzy:

ptasiek:
no coment
roczarowales mnie swoim komentarzem
i straciles wiele w moich oczach
nie mialem i nie mam do ciebie osobistych wycieczek
i niech tak zostanie

plastek:
smiesza mnie komentarze do textow wyrwanych z kontekstu
zarowno w prasie, tv jak i tego forum
swiadczy to o twojej niestabilnosci emocjonalnej
dorosnij, przemysl jeszcze raz ta sprawe i napisz ponownie komentarz
teraz jako jedna spojna calosc a nie kaszane ktore zaproponowales

mietor:
chyba jako jedyny zrozumiales o co tu chodzi

all:
nigdy nikogo nie nazwalem lamerem.
wysunolem tylko taka sugestie w stosunku do greka za co go przeprosilem -
przyznaje sie do bledu ze tak sie nie powinno robic.
jezeli ktos nie zrozumial mojego textu to jego problem - ale niech wtedy go
nie komentuje.
dla tych co nie zrozumieli kawalka z virusem to wyjasniam, ze codzilo mi o
VBforA :) - i wszystko staje sie proste.

blagam nie wypowiadajcie sie wiecej na ten temat. nigdy nie chcialem
tej jalowej dyskusji - pora chyba ugasic ten slomiany ogien. jezeli ktos
chce to ciagnac to zapraszam na priva - tylko z konkretnymi rzeczami.
jeszcze raz wszystkim przepraszam i oswadczam, ze od teraz nie podejmuje juz
tego tematu.

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On Sun, 19 Mar 2000, [M]aRkO wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> Chcialbym zlamac program NetObject Fusion 5.0... ale niestety jest
> zabezpieczony Vbox'em :-((( Nie wiem jak go podejsc..... prosze o
> pomoc.... bede bardzo wdzieczny za wszelkie info :-)))
> 
> I jeszcze jedno : Czy jest mozliwosc zrobienia patha do programow
> spakowanych, lub zakodowanych??? Czy do tego trzeba miec odpowiednie
> narzedzia do kodowania (kompresji), czy wystarczy sam Hview???

	Wystarczy sam Hiew ... oczywiscie zalezy to od rodzaju
zabezpieczenia :) - lecz na poczatku nalezy przeanalizowac pobierznie
algorytm kodowania ... tzn czy zmiana jakiejs wartosci nie wplynie na inna
itd. 'pobierznie' mowie tutaj o BPMach 

> 
> Pozdr!
> [M]aRkO


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> Czy ktos kiedykolwiek probowal rozpakowac recznie .dll'a, albo ma jakis
> pomysl jak sie za to zabrac ?.. Kombinowalem ale niemoge sobie dac rady..,
> zrobilem np. progsa ktory wywoluje sobie funkcje z spakowanego dll'a co
> powoduje automatycznie zaladowanie vboxa ale jest tak zamieszane ze sie
> troche gubie a raczej nie moge znalesc istotnych danych aby je w jakis
> sposob zrzucic i zrekonstruowac dll'a (a jak wiadomo troche to inaczej niz
> z exe'kami).
> W kazdym razie jak ktos cos z tym pracowal to prosze o kontakt a jak nie
> moze ktos wspomoze mnie w tym :-)...i cos wymyslimy.
Prawdopodobnie nowy icedump 1.6.15 (dziala z wersjami od 3.22 do 4.05) daje
mozliwosc zrzucenia dll'i do plikow, ponizej fragment doca:
        -------------------------------------
        PAGEIN T <imagebase> <EIP> <filename>
        -------------------------------------

   dump the current win32 process or a dll in its address space to a valid
   PE file. <imagebase> can be fished out from the MAP32 output, the rest
   should be obvious. look at 'O T' to see what internal flags can be set.

   Note 1 : EIP is a RVA one :).
   Note 2 : U MUST BE IN A WIN32 CONTEXT IN ORDER TO USE THIS.
   Note 3 : No need to try to fetch me (G-RoM) for whatever u want, it is as
            is nothing more. No update promised.

Wyglada ciekawie ale nie mialem jeszcze okazji tego przetestowac... Nowego
icedumpa 1.6.15 mozna sciagnac z
http://ghiribizzo.virtualave.net/icedump/icedump.html

Pozdrowka.
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A propos Ulead'a, nie pamietam ktory program ale jest zabezpieczony vboxem
4.3, bawiles sie nim, jest jakas duza roznica miedzy 4.1 a 4.3, a pozatym to
zostaje jeszcze sprawa "czerwonego krzyza" w Ulead MediaStudio Pro 5.

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aloha...
z nieznanych mi powodow siadlo mi konto na ktore szla moja cala poczta...
tak wiec jezeli ktos mi wysylal cos na priv w ciagu ostatniego tygodnia
i nie odpowiedzialem, znaczy ze nie doszlo -;( tak wiec prosze o replaya
na imagi@w.pl ten adres bedzie aktualny az do odwolania ;)
bajdelej... smolniken - dostales mojego maila? nie doczekalem sie
odpowiedzi... jak cos to jeszcze raz...


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>Czy ktos kiedykolwiek probowal rozpakowac recznie .dll'a, albo ma jakis
>pomysl jak sie za to zabrac ?.. Kombinowalem ale niemoge sobie dac 

Wlasciwie jak dziala taki spakowany DLL?
Czyz nie rozpakowuje sie po zaladowaniu (tylko wtedy zadyma
z odwolaniami do funkcji) ?
Czy kazda funkcja jest osobno spakowana?



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>tzn. jak sprawdzic w asmie, czy jest uruchomiony plik xxx.exe ? :)


trzeba sprobowac go usunac, jesli sie uda to nie jest uruchomiony



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Cze @all
Sorry, ze rozpentalem wojne w klubie o cracku na temat VB. VB jest bardzo
dobry dla poczontkujacych programistow. A Delphi to juz jezyk dla bardziej
zawansowanych. A skoro ja juz jestem tak miedzy tym a tym to powiedzialem ze
VB jest gorszy. A wiec:
Powiem krotko zapomnijmy o calej sprawie!
I przejdzmy do normalnych zadan czyli jak lamac progi ruwniez pisane w VB.

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CZy bawil sie ktos z grupowiczow tym programem ??
Tak jakos nie moge dojsc z nim do ladu. Powinien znajdowac sie na:
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O tyle jest kaszanka ze jak sie zmieni cos na stale to nieladuje
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hej!


>Ja osobiscie nie korzystalbym z algorytmu RLE (jak go nazwal jeden z
[ciach]


>Mysle, ze lepszym rozwiazaniem byloby zastosowanie algorytmu
>Huffmana....
[ciach]


jasna sprawa, ze huffman jest lepszy. pamietaj jednak, ze nadol chcial cos
prostego do mikrokontrolerkow, gdzie masz relatywie malo miejsca na kod
obslugujacy 'zadania pomocnicze' jakimi sa kopresja/dekompresja, a ramu
najczesciej jest 128-256 bajtow(!). algorytm ktory zaproponowalem sprawdza
sie dla tablic charakteryzujacych sie powtarzajacymi sie (sasiadujacymi)
wartosciami - jak te tablice wygladaja nadol nie napisal. bardziej
skomplikowane algorytmy wymagaja dosc sporych procedurek
kodujachych/dekodujachych i buforow posrednich; w RLE (czy jak to zwal) masz
praktycznie wszystko w 1 petli i praktycznie "w miejscu" (sporo tymczasowych
wartosci mozna trzymac w rejestrach).

ok,  tyle ode mnie. ja bym zrobil to tak. w systemiku ktory latam w ramach
etatu (RTOS, 8bit - czyli pewnie podobny charakterem do tego co robi nadol)
rozwiazano to na zasadzie 'tokenow', ale korzysta sie z zewnetrznych
narzedzi do 'kompresji/wynajdywania tokenow'. pozostaje wiec w EPROMie tylko
tablica z tokenami i dosc prosta procka dekodujaca. z tego co pamietam,
nadol potrzebowal wszystko robic w systemie, wiec RLE jako rozwiazanie
wydaje mi sie sensowne.


coz, widze, ze dyskusja w miare rozwinela sie - nadol, napisz jak jest i co
ona w ogole dala :D

3majcie sie,

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> coz, widze, ze dyskusja w miare rozwinela sie - nadol, napisz jak jest i
co
> ona w ogole dala :D

Dala mi duzo do myslenia, chociaz niektorzy za daleko polecieli .. z tymi
dll'ami itd. Ale fajnie bo moze ktos tez cos z tego skorzysta. Jezeli chodzi
o ten algorytm o ktorym piszales to wszystko jest fajnie dopuki wartosci sie
czesto powtarzaja i najlepiej jak nastepuja jedna po drugiej w tablicy. W
kazdym razie BIG TNX wszystkim za podpowiedzi. A jezeli chodzi o
zastosowanie w praktyce to odeszlo chwilowo(!) na dalszy plan, mam sporo
innej roboty ale jak tylko beda fizyczne wyniki to dam znac. Napisz nad czym
siedzisz "w ramach etatu", cos ciekawego?


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>zastosowanie w praktyce to odeszlo chwilowo(!) na dalszy plan, mam sporo
>innej roboty ale jak tylko beda fizyczne wyniki to dam znac. Napisz nad
czym
>siedzisz "w ramach etatu", cos ciekawego?


hej, nadol!

nie pamietasz pogawedek na xenium? :) alarmy (banki), kontrola dostepu,
telewizja przemyslowa...
w zasadzie to nie moge powiedziec, ze to ciekawe - raczej bokiem mi wylazi i
po 8h w tyrze juz na asm patrzyc nie moge :)) z tego co pamietam robiles
elektronike pod dyskoteki itd, rajt? :)

pozdr.
sachy - fr0g, james fr0g...


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mam pytanko otoz lamie jeden program napisany w delphi jest juz prawie
zlamany pozostalo mi tylko zrobic drukowanie i tutaj powstal problem
(przynajmniej dla mnie)
otoz pojawia sie okienko kiedy chcemy drukwoac z tym ze opcja drukuj i 2
inne sa disable ..caly klopot w tym iz nie sa to normlane przyciski bo
wtedy zrobil bym enablewindow to jest robione jakos dziwnie otoz
generowany jest plik zamknij.bmp a i wyswietlany choc na hdd tego pliku
nie ma on go tworzy w pamieci ..tworzy tez pliki drukuj.bmp ale ich nie
wyswietla 
i napisy tez sa szare ..powstaje pytanie do ludzi piszacych w delphi jak
takie cos sie robi i jak to mozna ominac ??? ikonki podobne sa jak w
english translatorze ..
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Hi all,
Poszukuje informacji o wlamywaniu sie do kodu programu przez napisy 
na paskach narzedzi, paskach statusu etc... I NIE chodzi mi o porade
typu
'ustaw bpx na Show...', ale o cos bardziej wyczerpujacego.
Czy ktos wie cos na ten temat? Bede wdzieczny
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Witam Szanownych...
1) Poszukuje dekompilerow do ishielda. Najlepiej takich z mozliwoscia 
ponownej rekompilacji poprawionych skryptow, albo cos w tym stylu. Ew. 
urzadzalby mnie prog w stylu wisdeca, ale ten ostatni wykrzacza sie przy
dluzszych skryptach, a ja nie wiem dlaczego:(
Bede wdzieczny za namiary na jakas strone i/lub nazwe proga...
2) Poza tym, czym mozna zdekompresowac ( i skompresowac poprawione :))
pliki .cab Install Shielda? I, (ewentualnie) gdzie to znalezc?
Zasadniczo, wszelkie informacje o lamaniu programow spakowanych install
shieldem beda mile widziane:))
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Witaj [crackpl-forum],

jak   sie   do  tego  zabrac  ?  czym to jest skompresowane ? procdump
wymieka...

gor=B9co pozdrawiam
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On Mon, 20 Mar 2000, Satan Leviatan wrote:

> Witaj [crackpl-forum],
> 
> jak   sie   do  tego  zabrac  ?  czym to jest skompresowane ? procdump
> wymieka...
> 
> gor=B9co pozdrawiam
> johny666
he?? nie zrozumialem ..czym jest skompresowany aspack?? no z tego co
czytalem aspackiem www.procdump32.cjb.net tam czytalem:))) 
hmm chyba jednak cos zle zrozumialem :<<
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> Hi all,
> Poszukuje informacji o wlamywaniu sie do kodu programu przez napisy
> na paskach narzedzi, paskach statusu etc... I NIE chodzi mi o porade
> typu
> 'ustaw bpx na Show...', ale o cos bardziej wyczerpujacego.
> Czy ktos wie cos na ten temat? Bede wdzieczny
tak ustaw bpx na ;)
wejdz jakos do kodu programu (jezeli niespakowany to nawet od razu spod
loadera) i poszukaj tego stringu ktory jest wyswietlany nastepnie BPM na nim
i moze cos z tego bedzie ;)
> frost
>
>
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co ?
        gdzie ?
                    jak ?

-=BarT=-  RPModem ? 
udalo ci sie ?
bardzo bym prosil o informacje na ten temat :

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Dawno nie czytalem listow - praca i uczelnia troche czasu pochlaniaja
ale czytajac archiwum ,troche sie zainteresowalem problemem
bycia w zgodzie z prawem

Wszystko jest fajnie tylko jest kilka ale
1. Program komputerowy jest taki jest i nie wolno z nim nic robic procz
uzywania
- czyli tak kupuje w sklepie dowolna rzecz i nie wolno mi jej rozebrac na
czesci i czesci sprzedac
znajomym to ja sie pytam dlaczego
?
Np kupujesz komputer i nie odpowiada ci karta grafiki to bierzesz i wywalasz
caly sprzet i kupujesz nowy ?

Kupujesz samochod i chcesz zrobic z niego kabrioleta przez obciencie dachu
(lub dolozenia kilku rzeczy )
wolno Ci ?

Jesli kupisz program komputerowy biada ci jak cos tkniesz ,bo zaraz
naruszenie praw autorskich
prawo autorskie to jedna wielka sciema ,potrzebna firmom, ktos wymyslil
zegar dostal za to kase
i co do konca zycia tylko jeden czlowiek zna tajemnice zegarka ,tylko jeden
czlowiek go robi ?
i co potem ?

2. Kupujesz program komputerowy najnowszy
i co nie jest kompatybilny w dol ?
rozumiem ze nie jest stary kompatybilny do nowego ale na odwrot ?

3. Pozyczanie programow jest nielegalne ?
Super nobla dla tego pomyslu
rozwiazanie
Kupujesz samochod i co nie wolno ci go pozyczyc ?
a kto Ci zabroni ?

Potrzebujesz napisac referat do szkoly w Wordzie
bo szkola go ma ma miec wykresy bajery rowery i co idziesz do kolegi i
mowisz pozycz ,nie nie wolno
uzywasz gorszego (niekompatybilnego programu freeware )
i co nie dziala w szkole i co nie masz pracy domowej
i co ?
A wystarczylo by zrobic wypozyczalnie programow ,ale to jest nielegalne ?
To tak jak by nie istnialy na swiecie TAXI i co jak nie masz samochodu
,chodzisz 30 km na piechote lub jedziesz gorszym autobusem (freeware)
Taxi to nic innego jak wypozyczalnia programow

4. Potrzebujesz na 1 dzien zrobic projekt w AutoCadzie
i co i go...no
Bo nowy kosztuje kilka tysiecy
dema nie ma bo nie jest potrzebne
wersji edukacyjnych nie ma bo nikomu sie nie oplaca

5. Prosty program PSpice 6.0 jest super i jest wersja edukacyjna wiec jednak
mozna !
do potrzeb uczelni wystarcza

Wszystko to co napisalem jest moim prywatnym zdaniem
ale wydaje Mnie sie ze rynek oprogramowania jest chory
i naprawde jest to wiecej niz nienormalne

ps.
Nie ma piractwa wszyscy walcza aby nie bylo
fikcja piractwo napedza rynek sprzetu sprzet napedza programy a kasa leci
jak by nie bylo piractwa to kazda firma siedziala by na win 3.11
Bo w gazetach nikt by nie pisal o programach word 2000 dla poczatkujacych
bo normalnego Kowalskiego na ten program poprostu nie stac
ale w gazetach jest opis programu Word ,zamiast programy WordPad
ktory jest razem z systemem
lub jakiego darmowego edytora textow o mozliwosciach zblizonych lub lepszych
za mniejsza kase
ale to chodzi o prestiz firmy
Tyle osob uzywa Worda ,a tyle Lotusa czy Corela
piractwo jest zle ,bo jest zwykla kradzierza
ale nie ma alternatywy
a w normalnym zyciu jest
nie masz samochodu jedziesz taxi
i dojedziesz do  celu na czas
i masz na taxi dzwonisz do kolegi moze ma chwile casu aby ci pomoc
nie ma jedziesz autobusem ,jestes spozniony ale jestes u celu

A wkomputerach
masz program lub nie
nic pomiedzy ?

jestem zdania ze trzeba ten chory proceder zmienic bo ,To My jestesmy dla
Firm komputerowych
a nie Oni dla Nas (czasami ale tylko czasami sa wyjatki ,ale tylko dlatego
ze sobie na to pozwalamy )

i czas klikac na licencja I Agree lu Akceptuje
,program nie podlega zwrotowi po otwrciu pudelka ,licencja wewnatrz (Jesli
otworzysz drzwi mieszkanie jest Juz Twoje niezaleznie co jest za drzwiami )
Programista nie daje gwarancji na program ?
(Producent samochodu nie daje gwarancji na ten samochod ze On wogole dziala
\)
sprawdzenie po otwarciu drzwi

Sorry za Dlugie smuty
ale czas cos zmienic ,bo jak tak dalej pojdzie to zgodzimy sie uzywac 3
przyciskow z klawiatury
reszta bedzie zabroniona pod kara smierci lub obciencia rak






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Hello MaxiBogas,

sobota, 18 marca 2000 o 15:55:40 you wrote:


M> heh... 200kb? :) ja pisalem wirusa.. ;) tzn. nie wirusa.. ;) konia
M> trojanskiego

M> i wcale nie mial 200kb ;)

M> w delphi jest cos jak programowanie w czystym winapi.. ;)

M> bart zrobil kiedys keygena w delphi w czystym winapi i mial pare kilo

Sorki, ale czy daloby sie source tego keygena rzuci=E6 na liste ?
(moze byc ba priv). A tak jak wog=F3le zmusic delphi do takiego pisania
w czystym winapi ??? Jak mu wyrzuce deklaracje w uses to krzyczzy ze
undefinied symbol or smt like that.

M> durga mozliwosc..

M> dlaczego pliki delphi maja 200kb.. ;) nawet pusty program? :)  a no
M> dlatego.. ze w przeciwienstwie do Visual Basic.. ma on dllki w sobie.. a nie
M> gdzies tam.. ;)

M> w opcji kompilowania, mozna mu to wylaczyc.. ;) jezeli ktos ma zainstalowane
M> dllki z delphi to mu pojdzie prog normalnie;)

M> wowczas ma takze pare kilo ;)

M> maxibogas@tepsa.lame.pl



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"plastek" <plastek-@zielonagora.com> wrote: 
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> 
> > Hi all,
> > Poszukuje informacji o wlamywaniu sie do kodu programu przez napisy
> > na paskach narzedzi, paskach statusu etc... I NIE chodzi mi o porade
> > typu
> > 'ustaw bpx na Show...', ale o cos bardziej wyczerpujacego.
> > Czy ktos wie cos na ten temat? Bede wdzieczny
> tak ustaw bpx na ;)
tyle to i ja wiem :)
> wejdz jakos do kodu programu (jezeli niespakowany to nawet od razu
spod
> loadera) i poszukaj tego stringu ktory jest wyswietlany nastepnie BPM
na nim
> i moze cos z tego bedzie ;)
chodzilo mi raczej o cos o tym, jak takie rzeczy sa zwykle programowane,
ew. rozne sposoby lamania. Jesli chodzi o paski tytulu to mozna probowac
kombinowac np. z CreateWindow... Mozna tez probowac z procka okna i
komunikatem ( bodajze ) WM_NCPAINT... A jesli mamy do czynienia z
paskiem statusu?
Jak sie do tego dobrac?
Szukanie stringow w pamieci jest dobre w wiekszosci przypadkow, tylko
czasem
nieco nudne i pracochlonne. Interesuje mnie jak przy odrobinie
pomyslunku
skrocic sobie ta droge - czy w ogole do da rade?
> > frost
> >
> >
> Plastek
> 
Pozdrawiam,
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Wit !

>>tzn. jak sprawdzic w asmie, czy jest uruchomiony plik xxx.exe ? :)
>
>trzeba sprobowac go usunac, jesli sie uda to nie jest uruchomiony


A co Grzesiu jak go usunie? Stworzyc kopie?
A jak w momencie usuniecia zniknie zasilanie??

Chyba lepiej sprobowac go otworzyc w trybie write.

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Zgadzam sie z Toba, ale zapamietaj po wsze czasy:
freeware nie oznacza, ze prog jest gorszy.
StarOffice jest bodajze tez freeware, a zaczyna
deptac officowi po pietach (no, jak dla Polakow
to trzeba jeszcze poczekac :) )
Of coz niekiedy trzeba wrecz na sile tlumaczyc, ze
Word wbrew temu co mowi m$ nie jest prograemm narodu
i mozna klepac w czyms innym. Duze firmy to word,
bo tam przewaznie nikt nie patrzy na koszty.
Ale w szkolach mozna spokojnie pokazac efekty
pracy TeXa, do ktorego word sie nie umywa.
> ale wydaje Mnie sie ze rynek oprogramowania jest chory
> i naprawde jest to wiecej niz nienormalne
po prostu udalo im sie wymusic takie a nie inne prawo wprost
z epoki wielkich maszyn a'la Odra. Wtedy zylo sie z hardware'u,
bo np. IBM nie byl kompatybilny z HP, itd - software byl tylko
dodatkiem, ktorego nikt nie sprzedawal bez sprzetu, bo
nie bylo sensu..
> ale czas cos zmienic ,bo jak tak dalej pojdzie to zgodzimy sie uzywac 3
> przyciskow z klawiatury
> reszta bedzie zabroniona pod kara smierci lub obciencia rak
lobby producentow jest bardzo silne. Ja rozwiazalem swoj problem moralny
przyjmujac, ze robie to co ja uwazam za stosowne i koniec.
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>Chyba lepiej sprobowac go otworzyc w trybie write.


wiem, to byla taka podpucha, ale i tak by dzialalo
(najfajniej by bylo jakby skasowal i zapomnial zrobic kopii :)

to taki autotest metoda selekcji naturalnej w stylu
tych z fravii dla "wanna-be-a-cracker"



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kmam pytanie program jest napisany w delphi rozlozylem to sobie programem
formspy i widze gdzie mam przyciski enable diseable - mam teraz pytanie
jest jakis workshop do delphi aby mozna bylo zmienic attrybuty przyciskow 
??? 
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Hi

>> *Fajny, kiedys bawilem sie 2.0 i udalo mi sie rozwalic, tylko save z
file
>> dzialal, z konsoli za cholere nie chcial...
>>
>> Zdrowko i powodzenia
>>
>> lukep
>
>Hejka
>Ja takze zabralem sie za ten programik, ale ten serial to jest duzy
problem.

Udalo mi sie zlamac proga poprzez zapatchowanie
wszystkich procek rejestrujacych. Co ciekawe w kazdej
z nich uzywany jest ten sam algorytm aczkolwiek z innymi parametrami.
Ponadto prog dopisuje jakies smieci do naszego seriala, gdy wykasujemy
te czesc z rejestru nie reaguje blednie.
Wniosek - algorytm mozna odwrocic stosujac bruteforce dla danego JEDNEGO
name.
Teoretycznie bo...
Niestety jest ciemna strona bruteforce, ilosc kombinacji wcale nie jest
ograniczona magiczna liczba 2^32:(
Zas co do reversingu to dosc problematycznie wyglada odwrocenie 
OR'a, prawdopodobnie mozna go zastapic pobraniem do odpowiednich
rejestrow wszystkich 4 bajtow, ale to jest tylko zalozenie, ktore
w zasadniczy sposob nas ogranicza. Przesledzcie proces rejestrowania
dla danych name="'00000000" i sn="00000000" to zajarzycie o co mi biega.
Ponadto pierwsze DWA bajty name musza byc w takim przypadku stale, co
ogranicza
mozliwosc kombinacji pierwszego klucza (rejestr EBP po I-ym mieleniu name).
Istotne ograniczenie przy probie "recznego" ustalenia sposobu generowania
drugiego
klucza.


Pozdr
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> Wniosek - algorytm mozna odwrocic stosujac bruteforce dla danego JEDNEGO
> name.


czegos smieszniejszego nei slyszalem :))) odwrocic za pomoca brute force
:))
ale spox :))
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Wit !

>mam pytanko otoz lamie jeden program napisany w delphi jest juz prawie
>zlamany pozostalo mi tylko zrobic drukowanie i tutaj powstal problem
>(przynajmniej dla mnie)
>otoz pojawia sie okienko kiedy chcemy drukwoac z tym ze opcja drukuj i 2
>inne sa disable ..caly klopot w tym iz nie sa to normlane przyciski bo
>wtedy zrobil bym enablewindow to jest robione jakos dziwnie otoz
>generowany jest plik zamknij.bmp a i wyswietlany choc na hdd tego pliku
>nie ma on go tworzy w pamieci ..tworzy tez pliki drukuj.bmp ale ich nie
>wyswietla
>i napisy tez sa szare ..powstaje pytanie do ludzi piszacych w delphi jak
>takie cos sie robi i jak to mozna ominac ??? ikonki podobne sa jak w
>english translatorze ..
>beanus
>

Kawalek helpa z Delphi, mysle ze Ci to pomoze:

procedure LoadFromResourceID(Instance: THandle; ResID: Integer);

Description
Use LoadFromResourceID to load a specified bitmap resource along with
palette information from a module's executable file. The resource ID for the
bitmap is specified in the ResID parameter.

Program ma w sobie lub w dll tzw.resources (zasoby) ktorymi moga byc
kursory, ikony a takze np. bitmapy i z tamtad je laduje. Generalnie szukaj
funkcji API typu FindResource, LoadResource itp.


Pozdro..

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Czesc wszystkim...
Mam pewien problem. Otoz jest sobie programik 3D Exploration 1.2.50
( http://www.kaktus.punkt.pl/incoming/files/uzytki/3dexplor.exe )
Wlaczam opcje rejestraji. Wpisuje wymyslony Registration Key i...
program mowi ze nalezy go uruchomic ponownie aby haslo zadzialalo.
OK - mysle - program wpisuje KEY do rejestru i przy starcie go czyta.

Odpalam REGMON'a i widze:
.....
QueryValueEx   ...blablabla../key
.....
OK - bierze z rejestru.

Wchodze do SI,  bpx regqueryvalueex
odpalam proga i.... nic sie nie dzieje :(((
tzn. prog sie odpalil i koniec (SI nie zareagowal)

Mam zatem pytanko:
jak to jest z tym RegQueryValueEx, moze jest jakis inny sposob na
przerwanie pracy programu w momencie gdy czyta on dane z rejestru.

Probowalem zwyklego RegQueryValue ale nic on nie dal (SI zareagowal
ale to nie bylo to czego szukalem)

Gdyby ktos mial jakies sugestie..
Bylbym tez wdzieczny gdyby ktos znalazl gdzies kraka do tej wersji
(1.2.50).
Jednak najbardziej interesuje mnie JAK???? dorwac sie do tego proga..

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MC wrote:
> 
> Czesc wszystkim...
> Mam pewien problem. Otoz jest sobie programik 3D Exploration 1.2.50
> ( http://www.kaktus.punkt.pl/incoming/files/uzytki/3dexplor.exe )
> Wlaczam opcje rejestraji. Wpisuje wymyslony Registration Key i...
> program mowi ze nalezy go uruchomic ponownie aby haslo zadzialalo.
> OK - mysle - program wpisuje KEY do rejestru i przy starcie go czyta.
> 
> Odpalam REGMON'a i widze:
> .....
> QueryValueEx   ...blablabla../key
> .....
> OK - bierze z rejestru.
> 
> Wchodze do SI,  bpx regqueryvalueex
> odpalam proga i.... nic sie nie dzieje :(((
> tzn. prog sie odpalil i koniec (SI nie zareagowal)
> 
> Mam zatem pytanko:
> jak to jest z tym RegQueryValueEx, moze jest jakis inny sposob na
> przerwanie pracy programu w momencie gdy czyta on dane z rejestru.
> 
> Probowalem zwyklego RegQueryValue ale nic on nie dal (SI zareagowal
> ale to nie bylo to czego szukalem)
> 
> Gdyby ktos mial jakies sugestie..
> Bylbym tez wdzieczny gdyby ktos znalazl gdzies kraka do tej wersji
> (1.2.50).
> Jednak najbardziej interesuje mnie JAK???? dorwac sie do tego proga..
> 
> --
>  Pozdrowka..
>  MC                          mailto:mcuprjak@klub.chip.pl
Hi
Nie wiem, co to za prog ( nie mialem z nim do czynienia ),ale jesli
jest on 32-bitowy to powinienes dac raczej
bpx RegQueryValueExA..
ew. moze on wykrywac SI... W takim ukladzie sprobuj FrogsIce ( aktualna
wersja to chyba 0.43... )
Nara 
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Hi

 00-03-22 o 19:26 czasu zimowego Tolkien rulez napisal:

>> Wniosek - algorytm mozna odwrocic stosujac bruteforce dla danego JEDNEGO
>> name.
>
>
>czegos smieszniejszego nei slyszalem :))) odwrocic za pomoca brute force
>:))

Tak to jest jak sie komentuje posty nie znajac problemu,:)
w RD procka rejestrujaca sklada sie z algorytmu generujacego klucz na
podstawie
name i roznych s/n - ten do bruteforce, i drugiego kawalka mielacego ten
klucz  kolejnym
algorytmem z kluczem wyliczonym na podstawie pierwszego, name i s/n - ten
do odwrocenia.

Jeszcze raz zachecam do pozania istoty sprawy zanim cos skomentujesz:)
Acha i niezarzucaj mi nieprecyzyjnosci bo pisalem ten post z mysla
o ludziach znajacych te sprawe:)
Mysle, ze wszystko jush jest jasne?
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oj ptasiek ptasiek - moze trosze popolemizuje napisalem tez jeden wyraz
spox ..chodzilo mi oto ze to glupio brzmi a nie ze to jest zle ..
wiec nie irytuj sie czlowieku :PPPPP
przeczytaj to jeszcze raz "wykorzystac brute forca dla odwrocenia" samo
zdanie jest smieszne ..logicznie :)) 

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Thursday, March 23, 2000, 8:53:57 AM, you wrote:
f> Nie wiem, co to za prog ( nie mialem z nim do czynienia ),ale jesli
f> jest on 32-bitowy to powinienes dac raczej
f> bpx RegQueryValueExA..
f> ew. moze on wykrywac SI... W takim ukladzie sprobuj FrogsIce ( aktualna
f> wersja to chyba 0.43... )

Jest OK.
bpx RegQueryValueExA dziala..

Po prostu nie zauwazylem ze nie mialem wlaczonego exportu ADVAPI32.DLL
i SI nie rozpoznawal RegQueryValueExA..

Po wlaczeniu exportu dziala (pozostaje tylko zabawa z analiza kodu,
ale to juz inna bajka :))

Gdyby jednak ktos znalazl kraka (3D Exploration ver. 1.2.50)
to bylbym zobowiazany (po prostu zalezy mi na skrakowaniu a nie wiem
czy znajde czas na przyjemnosc wlasnorecznego grzebania w kodzie)

dzieki i pozdr..
 MC                            mailto:mcuprjak@klub.chip.pl



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Cze @ll
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>to taki autotest metoda selekcji naturalnej w stylu
>tych z fravii dla "wanna-be-a-cracker"


heh.. i myslisz ze sie nabralem? :) lol....
wrecz przeciwnie.. pomyslalem.. ale paxxxxx ;) nie bede dokanczac ;) heh

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Wtrace swoje 3/100 PLN ;) z deka oftopik ;) a moze nie? ;)
Plastek> a w VB jest to mozliwe tylko do pliku z wirusem
Plastek> trzeba dolaczyc VBRUN???.DLL ;) aha i powiedziec
Plastek> gostkowi zeby skopiowal do katalog windows\system
Chyba ze je to makro-viroos; ma to kilka kB (<5). Sam ostatnio
jednego zlapalem - jak ktos zainteresowany to moge mailnac
mu sourca :)
Ptasiek> Fakt, wiekszosc jezykow wysokiego poziomu ma jasno
Ptasiek> sprecyzowane cele, do jakich zostaly przeznaczone, ale
Ptasiek> VB nie miesci sie w zadnej kategorii.
Chyba ze jezyk do makrosow i komunikacji miedzy aplikacjami pakietu
Ofis ;) do czego (i wylacznie do tego) byl z poczatku AFAIK
zaprojektowany tyle ze M$ stwierdzil ze mozna zrobic na nim szmal
wypuszczajac go standalone.
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> No tak, ale to jest w=B3a=B6nie problem, gdy=BF has=B3o tzw. "power on password",
> jest fabrycznie ustawione na w=B3=B1czone, jedynie zmienia si=EA samo has=B3o
(txt)
> na fabryczne, je=BFeli si=EA go nie poda, wtedy komputer jest restartowany i
> uruchamia si=EA z blokad=B1 klawiatury i tym podobnych, system normalnie
> startuje, ale mo=BFna si=EA tylko patrze=E6 i nic wi=EAcej (ewentualnie reset i
a track point czy co tam jest nie dziala ?
nawet jak nie dziala to preparujesz se dyskietke (stacje hiba ma;) w
autoexecu uruchamiasz proga

> znowu power on password).
> Mo=BFe jaki=B6 program samowykonawczy, kt=F3ry po prostu wy=B3=B1czy owo hase=B3ko z
jaki bios ??? producent? versja ?
chaslo mozna wyciagnac roznymi programikami
w starych biosach chaslo bylo przechowywane w CMOS-ie pod 38h-3fh nie da sie
bezposrednio do tego dostac, ale wystarczy to zamienic na 78h-7fh (adresy sa
brane %64 (modulo))
wiec mozna by tak haslo wyciagnac, ale jak jest w nowszych to nie mam
pojecia
pobawie sie u siebie moze cos znajde

> biosa, lub je odczyta, tylko czy istnieje co=B6 takiego ???
> A mo=BFe jest jaki=B6 inny spos=F3b ?

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CZe all

 Mam pewien problem, spodobal mi sie ten prog, lecz nie moge go rozwalic.
Napisalem do niego cracka, ale to nie wszystko, chcialem rozgrysc procedurke
sprawdzajaca poprawnosc kodu ale ... ten prog tak jakby nie sprawdza tego
... Mam juz wiele progow na koncie i wydawalo mi sie, ze jestem dobry w te
klocki, lecz przy tym sofcie wymieklem. Please pomozcie !!!! Aha prog lezy
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Hi

 00-03-23 o 12:32 czasu zimowego Tolkien rulez napisal:

>oj ptasiek ptasiek - moze trosze popolemizuje napisalem tez jeden wyraz
>spox ..chodzilo mi oto ze to glupio brzmi a nie ze to jest zle ..
>wiec nie irytuj sie czlowieku :PPPPP

Kto tu mowi o irytacji:)))

>przeczytaj to jeszcze raz "wykorzystac brute forca dla odwrocenia" samo
>zdanie jest smieszne ..logicznie :)) 

fakt, ale jest w nim tyle ukrytych tresci, ze samo
przeslanie zawarte miedzy wierszami usprawiedliwia sposob zapisu:)))
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>heh.. i myslisz ze sie nabralem? :) lol....
>wrecz przeciwnie.. pomyslalem.. ale paxxxxx ;) nie bede dokanczac ;) heh


autotest nie byl skierowany do konkretnej osoby,
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>autotest nie byl skierowany do konkretnej osoby,

heh.. chyba ze tak

>przewaznie za malo sie znamy
w ten sposob napewno sie lepiej nie poznamy ;)

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Dnia Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 10:40:11PM +0100, Simkin pisze:

> bracia crackerzy (cholera ale to zabrzmialo). w zwiazku z tym ze niektorz z
> nas watpia w mozliwosci innych (vide ptasiek) postanowilem zaproponowac
> zrobienie czegos na wzor olimpiady.....

SUPER PROPOZYCJA !!

Goraco popieram ten pomysl i musze przyznac, ze wlasnie na cos takiego
czekalem. Teraz bedzie mozna sprawdzic, czy ci ktorzy zawsze tak glosno krzycza
i sie wymadrzaja (dobrze czy z bledem napisalem ? ) cos potrafia, oraz
poczatkujacy (czyli m.in. ja) beda mogli czerpac wiedze od elity.

Hackerzy, tych ktorzy sa skundleni i duzogadajacy - malorobiacy nazywaja
              ___ hakierami ___

Moze dowiemy sie kto jest crackerem a kto 
              ___ krakierem ___ ?

P.S. Chociaz pomysl popieram, ja nie biore w tym udzialu, bo jestem
     za cienki (hakiero-krakier). Popatrze, poczytam poucze sie, a za jakis czas moze
napisze cos swojego.


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> Sorry, ze rozpentalem wojne w klubie o cracku na temat VB. VB jest bardzo
> dobry dla poczontkujacych programistow. A Delphi to juz jezyk dla bardziej
> zawansowanych.

mial byc koniec ;) ale musialem jeszcze to dodac;
ale co do tego zaawansowania delphi to sie nie zgodze;
przyklad: ostatnio przyszedl kumpel i sie pyta jak zrobic pare bajerow
dotyczacych baz danych;
wiec siadam do delphi i problem rozwiazalismy intuicyjnie;
strukturalnosc ulatwia programowanie, help jest bardzo dobry;
nie sadze, zeby stosowanie rekordow zagniezdzonych ("system kropkowy") bylo
skomplikowane; w managerze wszystko widac co po czym dziedziczy i jest OK;

teraz inna sprawa: co myslicie o fuzji Inprise(Borland) i Corel'a???
                     moze zaczniemy wreszcie kraczyc pod linuxem???
      mozliwe, gdyz skoro Corel bierze sie za ta platforme to nie bedzie
dawal progow za friko!!! z drugiej strony Inprise stworzy kompilatory itp.
dla tego srodowiska; pora na Numege, aby stworzyla jakis debugger dla Linuxa
:)))
"ciemno wszedzie, cicho wszedzie, co to bedzie, co to bedzie?" ;)))))

ma ktos moze jakies materialy na tematy cracku linuxowego?

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> kmam pytanie program jest napisany w delphi rozlozylem to sobie programem
> formspy i widze gdzie mam przyciski enable diseable - mam teraz pytanie
> jest jakis workshop do delphi aby mozna bylo zmienic attrybuty przyciskow 
> ??? 

heh, najlepszy to samo delphi ;)
najlepiej jest chyba uzyc exescope.... grzebiesz w zasobach, dokladnie w 
rcdata... tam masz nazwy wszystkich formularzy... problem jest tylko w tym,
ze nie widac dialoga, masz tylko jego zapis textowy. dlatego jezeli w delfi
bys sobie pozmienial na formularzach co chcesz, to potem w exescope dajesz
tylko import i podmieniasz... jezeli nie masz delphi to szukasz interesujacego
cie buttona np. po tekscie i w zmieniasz mu enabled z false na true...
tym sposobem np usunalem glupi banner z webstrippera... ustawilem
mu height na 0 ;)


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> M> w delphi jest cos jak programowanie w czystym winapi.. ;)
> M> bart zrobil kiedys keygena w delphi w czystym winapi i mial pare kilo

> Sorki, ale czy daloby sie source tego keygena rzuci=86 na liste ?
> (moze byc ba priv). A tak jak wog=A2le zmusic delphi do takiego pisania
> w czystym winapi ??? Jak mu wyrzuce deklaracje w uses to krzyczzy ze
> undefinied symbol or smt like that.

eeee tam ;) najlepiej wtedy pisac program w samym pliku .dpr...
tam dajesz wszystkie uses... zrodla unitow eksportujacych api sa w katalogu
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Wit

> teraz inna sprawa: co myslicie o fuzji Inprise(Borland) i Corel'a???
>                      moze zaczniemy wreszcie kraczyc pod linuxem???
>       mozliwe, gdyz skoro Corel bierze sie za ta platforme to nie bedzie
> dawal progow za friko!!! z drugiej strony Inprise stworzy kompilatory itp.
> dla tego srodowiska; pora na Numege, aby stworzyla jakis debugger dla Linuxa
> :)))
> "ciemno wszedzie, cicho wszedzie, co to bedzie, co to bedzie?" ;)))))

Chyba  pod linucha nie mozna zrobic czegos jak SI. Jak to sobie wyobrazasz? Ze caly system sie bedzie zatrzymywal jak w Windzie. Przeciez linuch do tego nie dopusci.

A moze tak? Wie ktos cos o tym???

> Mietor /AAOCG/ ~~  mietor@kki.net.pl
 
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> Chyba  pod linucha nie mozna zrobic czegos jak SI. Jak to sobie wyobrazasz? Ze caly system sie bedzie zatrzymywal jak w Windzie. Przeciez linuch do tego nie dopusci.
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> A moze tak? Wie ktos cos o tym???
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Witajcie towarzysze,

pytanie  jest nastepujace: jak usuwa sie bannery w programch, ktore sa
sponsorowane.  szukalem tego w roznych tutorialach, ale nie moglem nic
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> > Chyba  pod linucha nie mozna zrobic czegos jak SI. Jak to sobie
wyobrazasz? Ze caly system sie bedzie zatrzymywal jak w Windzie. Przeciez
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> >
> > A moze tak? Wie ktos cos o tym???
> gdb  i pod X tez gdb..
> beanus

Ja mysle ze debugger pod linuxa w stylu SI to bylaby jedna wielka dziura w
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> Ja mysle ze debugger pod linuxa w stylu SI to bylaby jedna wielka dziura w
> systemie bezpieczenstwa.

jak bede mial natchnienie to moze napisze jakies crackme pod linuxa; ciekawe
kto pierwszy zlamie???

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>A moze tak? Wie ktos cos o tym???


trzebaby samemu cos takiego zrobic
to nie byloby trudne - sa w koncu zrodla kernela
pomysl trzeba zwalic dokladnie z numegi
zintegrowac debugger z memory managerem i kernelem
juz myslalem o tym jakis czas temu, ale sam
mam dosc zmartwien, a to robota dla zespolu albo maniaka
(ewentualnie kogos mlodszego niz 18 lat :)



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>gdb  i pod X tez gdb..


jest nakladka graficzna na gdb, calkiem fajna,
tylko zapomnialem jak sie nazywa, ale na pewno
jest w wiekszosci pakietow



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Czesc

Czy zna ktos jakis prog do tworzenia plikow pomocy w formacie .chm?

Sorry za offtopic.

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zdazylo sie ostatni, ze mialem wyklad odnosnie baz danych i doktor, ktory go
wlasnie prowadzil stwierdzil bardzo ciekawa rzecz. otoz uzywal on swgo czasu
programika typu trail, do ktorego dorobiony byl crack, ktory oczywiscie to
likwidowal. ale stalo sie tak, ze gdy rok 1999 mial sie na ukonczeniu i
rizpoczol sie rok 2000 prgramik przestal dzialac. wspomniany doktor postawil
dwie teorie na ten temat. pierwsza mowi o znanym problemie roku 2000 i
pluskwie milenijnej (no coment). druga z kolei sugeruje jakoby program
posiadal dodatkowe zabezpieczenie czasowe (co dla swoich potrzeb nazwalem to
duble trial), ktorego nainormalniej w swiecie cracker nie wziol (nie
odnalazl) pod uwage.
ma do was pytanko, czy ktos juz sie spotkal z tego rodzaju zabezpieczeniami.

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Yo adeon,

Monday, March 27, 2000, 10:52:26 PM, you wrote:
a> Czesc
a> Czy zna ktos jakis prog do tworzenia plikow pomocy w formacie .chm?

a> Sorry za offtopic.
a> :pozdr
a> adeon
a> adeon@kki.net.pl

Nie wiem czy jest najlepszy, ale ja z powodzeniem uzywalem
Microsoft HTML Help Workshop.
Jest wygodny w obsludze. Piszesz wszystko w HTML'u
a prog to konwertuje do CHM'a (ze wszystkimi bajerami typu
animacje itp.)

prdz. (double sorry za offtopic. :))


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Czesc

> Czy zna ktos jakis prog do tworzenia plikow pomocy w formacie .chm?

Niestety kolega przejawil inicjatywe tylko w przyslaniu nam
na liste maila w HTML.
Pytanie pierwsze: dlaczego zamiast wykazywac sie na tym polu,
nie wpisal w byle wyszukiwarce np.: 'pliki chm'?

Pytanie drugie: czy tak trudno znalezc ponizsze adresy?
http://www.pckurier.pl/inetools/hhw121.html
http://www.enter.pl/ent99.10/klub_pomocy.asp

Pytanie trzecie, ostatnie: czy do tego sluzy ta lista?
Zwykle "Sorry za offtopic" nie wystarcza. Dlaczego?
Poniewaz ta lista mierzy troche wyzej niz poziom
"ZAWIESZA MI SIE KOSZ. CO MAM ROBIC?!"
Mimo, ze wiekszosc zna odpowiedz na Twoje pytanie.

PS. Pare cierpkich slow moze doda odwagi
w temacie "wyszukiwanie informacji w necie".


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Wit !

Tak z ciekawosci (sorki) to czy ktos studiuje na Polibudzie Opolskiej???

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Czesc !

Moze ktos z grupowiczow wie jak ustawic rejestr aby przy uruchomieniu
programu np: plik.exe zmienialy sie ustawienia monitora (zmiana
rozdzielczosci).
samego programu 'plik.exe' nie moge zmieniac.
z gory wielkie dzieki


Jezeli chodzi o duble trial, zetknolem sie z tym w pracy, to znaczy jeden z
pracownikow
odczul to, przestal mu dzialac jakis programik do grafiki 3D (nie pamietam
nazwy) i faktycznie
bylo zabezpieczenie typu Trial, programik  nawed zarejstronawy LEGALNIE
przestawal
dzialac 01.01.2000, kazdy LEGALNY uzytkownik mogl sobie sciagnoc nowa wersje
od
autora.
Ja osobiscie niezle bym sie wkurzyl gdyby nagle (majac legalna kopie)
przestal by mi dzialac
programik, bo chyba jest to niezle robienie w banbuko klijentow, ktorych
zmusza sie
do dodatkowych zabiegow i staran aby LEGALNY program dzialal poprawnie
......ale czy autorow (duzych firm typu M$) to interesuje :)
Naszczescie slyszalem o to tylko raz i nie zabardzo chcialo mi sie w to
wierzyc.
....
ale moze kiedys obudzimy sie pewnego pieknego poranka i odpalimy Windowsika
i dowiemy sie ze wlasnie nie mamy juz legalnej wersji, a o nowy numer
seryjny musimy
wyslac podanie do Wielkiej Rady M$ w zalaczniku metryka urodzenia i trzy
zdiecia....

zycze zdrowka
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Czesc crackpl2000-forum,

  Przerobilem pzrykladowy plik z masm'a aby nic nie robil i byl
  progiem pod win32. Ma s=B3uzyc jako wabik na wiry, ca=B3y pusty i ma
  miec latwy do zapamietnai rozmiar np: 25000 lub 30000 bajt=F3w.
  Ale cosik mi to nie wychodzi :((
---------------------------------------------------------
.386
.model flat, stdcall
;option casemap:none
include \masm32\include\windows.inc
include \masm32\include\kernel32.inc
includelib kernel32.lib
include \masm32\include\user32.inc
includelib user32.lib

.data
      db 27586 dup (0)
      db "Koniec wabika. Jesli powyzej sa smieci tzn ze zlapales wirusa!"
.code
start:
      invoke ExitProcess,NULL
end start
-------------------------------------------------------
Kompiluje to tak:
    ml /c /coff /Cp wabik.asm
    link /SUBSYSTEM:WINDOWS /LIBPATH:c:\masm32\lib wabik.obj

  Ale nie moge uzyskac rozmiaru jaki chce.
  Po dosem nie bylo problem=F3w, przez zmniejszenie lub powiekszenie
  tablicy uzyskiwalem po=BFadany efekt.
  A tu jesli rozmiar tej tablicy ma mniej niz 27590 to plik ma 29696
  bajt=F3w a jak dam o jeden bajt wi=EAcej to linkuje go na trzydziesci
  tysiecy z groszami. Juz zglupialem. Robi jakies zaokraglenia, ale
  jak to wylaczyc ??

  BTW
  Jak zadeklarowac tablice aby nie zajmowala miejsca w exeku ??
  
    
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Witam wszystkich po raz pierwszy
Zwracam si=EA do Was z pewnym k=B3opotem.Ot=F3=BF mam pewien problem z instalacj=B1 programu SoftICE
Program nie chce by=E6 aktywny.Gdy ten sam program instaluj=EA na komputerze w pracy wszystko jest 
w porz=B1dku.Natomiast na domowym komputerze program nie chce dzia=B3a=E6 w =BFaden spos=F3b.Sytuacja
si=EA powtarza w przypadku ka=BFdej wersji tego programu (pr=F3bowa=B3em z trzema) i pobieranych z r=F3=BFnych
=BCr=F3de=B3.Jest do=B6=E6 istotna r=F3=BFnica pomi=EAdzy moim domowym komputerem a tym w pracy.Ot=F3=BF m=F3j domowy
komputer ma procesor Athlon a ten w pracy poczciwy Pentium 166.Co=B6 znalaz=B3em w plikach pomocy
programu SoftICE na temat pracy z r=F3=BFnymi procesorami ale nie do ko=F1ca zrozumia=B3em o co chodzi.
Na stronach Numegi i AMD nic na ten temat nie znalazlem.(chyba =BFe kiepsko szuka=B3em)
B=EAd=EA bardzo wdzi=EAczny gdyby kto=B6 m=F3g=B3by mi wyt=B3umaczy=E6 o co w tym wszystkim chodzi i poda=E6
jakie=B6 rozwi=B1zanie.
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aloha....
> > bracia crackerzy (cholera ale to zabrzmialo). w zwiazku z tym ze niektorz z
> > nas watpia w mozliwosci innych (vide ptasiek) postanowilem zaproponowac
> > zrobienie czegos na wzor olimpiady.....
> SUPER PROPOZYCJA !!
a moim zdaniem kompletnie poroniony pomysl... wiadomo ze dobrego crackme nie
robi sie dwa dni... (hhe... gustaw siedzi nad swoim od lipca -;) ja siedze nad
swoim #2 juz pare tygodni z przerwami... (znowu odbija sie niekomentowanie kodu
- majac zrodlo sam nie wiem o co mi chodzilo je piszac) poza tym nie kazdy ma
czas albo sa jakies przeszkody innej natury... gdyby cracking byl moim jedynym
zajeciem moglbym sie podjac wyzwania... a tak... niestety...

> Goraco popieram ten pomysl i musze przyznac, ze wlasnie na cos takiego
> czekalem. Teraz bedzie mozna sprawdzic, czy ci ktorzy zawsze tak glosno krzycza
> i sie wymadrzaja (dobrze czy z bledem napisalem ? ) cos potrafia, oraz
> poczatkujacy (czyli m.in. ja) beda mogli czerpac wiedze od elity.
> Hackerzy, tych ktorzy sa skundleni i duzogadajacy - malorobiacy nazywaja
>               ___ hakierami ___
> Moze dowiemy sie kto jest crackerem a kto 
>               ___ krakierem ___ ?
sadze ze przed proba lustracji innych powinienes zlustrowac sam siebie a
dopiero potem cos pisac...

> P.S. Chociaz pomysl popieram, ja nie biore w tym udzialu, bo jestem
>      za cienki (hakiero-krakier). Popatrze, poczytam poucze sie, a za jakis czas moze
> napisze cos swojego.          
ooooo kolega jush to zrobil -;) gdybym umial grac na fortepianie robilbym to
na pewno lepiej od chopina -;)

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> Witajcie towarzysze,
aloha....

> pytanie  jest nastepujace: jak usuwa sie bannery w programch, ktore sa
> sponsorowane.  szukalem tego w roznych tutorialach, ale nie moglem nic
> znalezc. mozecie mi cos polecic ?
odpowiedz jest nastepujaca: -;)
trzeba miec troche wyobrazni -;)
dokladniej: jezeli program jest napisany w delphi, borland c++ builder
to nie ma problema -;)
wystarczy odpalic jakies exescope czy cos w tym stylu... poszukac w
zasobach proga rcdata a tam czegos co nazywa sie form1, frmMain czy cos
w tym stylu... chodzi o glowne okno programu... nastepnie szukasz w tym
formularzu panelu, labela, obrazka czy tez czegos co po tekscie albo
nazwie moze byc owym bannerem... jezeli juz znajdziesz to ustawiasz mu
visible na false, ewentualnie height na 0 i po sprawie...
jezeli jest skompilowany czyms innym - trzeba pokombinowac -;)

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Hello Henricus,
H> B=EAd=EA bardzo wdzi=EAczny gdyby kto=B6 m=F3g=B3by mi wyt=B3umaczy=E6 o co w tym wszystkim chodzi i poda=E6
H> jakie=B6 rozwi=B1zanie.
H>                                      Henricus
niestety jest to bardzo powazny problem. zauwazylem takie zachowanie
takze u moich znajomych. po dlugich poszukiwaniach okazalo sie, ze, ni
mniej ni wiecej, softice wykrywa obecnosc Outlook Expressa (wersja
5.00.2919.6600 - sprawdz czy masz taka) w systemie. powoduje to,
ze jezeli wysylasz jakiegos emaila w formacie html, to softice
zawiesza swoja prace. jedynym rozwiazaniem wydaje definitywna
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> Niestety kolega przejawil inicjatywe tylko w przyslaniu nam
> na liste maila w HTML.
w tym przypadku zawalil moj program pocztowy, bo domyslny format wysylania
poczty
mialem ustawiony na tekst, a stalo sie inaczej, nie zauwazylem ze wyslal w
htmlu, tak wiec....

> Pytanie drugie: czy tak trudno znalezc ponizsze adresy?
> http://www.pckurier.pl/inetools/hhw121.html
> http://www.enter.pl/ent99.10/klub_pomocy.asp
nie


> PS. Pare cierpkich slow moze doda odwagi
> w temacie "wyszukiwanie informacji w necie".
jasne

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Hi

 00-03-28 o 19:44 czasu letniego Slawek K. napisal:

>Czesc crackpl2000-forum,
>
>  Przerobilem pzrykladowy plik z masm'a aby nic nie robil i byl
>  progiem pod win32. Ma s=B3uzyc jako wabik na wiry, ca=B3y pusty i ma
>  miec latwy do zapamietnai rozmiar np: 25000 lub 30000 bajt=F3w.
>  Ale cosik mi to nie wychodzi :((

>
>.data
>      db 27586 dup (0)
[..]
>  Ale nie moge uzyskac rozmiaru jaki chce.
>  Po dosem nie bylo problem=F3w, przez zmniejszenie lub powiekszenie
>  tablicy uzyskiwalem po=BFadany efekt.
>  A tu jesli rozmiar tej tablicy ma mniej niz 27590 to plik ma 29696
>  bajt=F3w a jak dam o jeden bajt wi=EAcej to linkuje go na trzydziesci
>  tysiecy z groszami. Juz zglupialem. Robi jakies zaokraglenia, ale
>  jak to wylaczyc ??
>
>  BTW
>  Jak zadeklarowac tablice aby nie zajmowala miejsca w exeku ??

heh te zaokroglenia to wynik alignowania rozmiaru
sekcji do wartosci zapisanej w naglowku pliku, natomiast co do
niewidzialnej tablicy to nalezy deklaracje o niej umiescic w sekcji
;---
.data?
db 27586 (?)
;---
i tyle, loader sam zaalokuje potrzebna pamiec. Uwaga, moze byc problem
z niektorymi packerami, ktore miela sekcje danych. Ten fragment musi
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niespakowany.


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Mi na Athlon'ie pracuje OK lecz o dziwo i nie wiem
z czym to powi=B1za=E6 ale jak chodzi SI to mysz
dostaje bia=B3ej gor=B1czki chodz ustawienia mam
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Kubol napisal:

> mniej ni wiecej, softice wykrywa obecnosc Outlook Expressa (wersja
> 5.00.2919.6600 - sprawdz czy masz taka) w systemie. powoduje to,

Hm, udajesz Greka a sam odpowiadasz w HTML'u...
Pozatym w OE tez mozna wysylac maile w plain tekscie.

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Hello,
MX> Hm, udajesz Greka a sam odpowiadasz w HTML'u...
wez mnie publicznie nie obrazaj... przynajmniej nie bezpodstawnie...
przytocz choc jakikolwiek fragment jakiegokolwiek mojego posta w htmlu.
przeprosiny przyjmuje na priva
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A to? Czy kto=B6 to scrackowa=B3?
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Czesc

Simkin wrote:

> dwie teorie na ten temat. pierwsza mowi o znanym problemie roku 2000 i
> pluskwie milenijnej (no coment). druga z kolei sugeruje jakoby program

Pluskwa byla bo DEVON napisal ze az 2 razy z jej powodu spadl z krzesla
(musiala byc bardzo przerazajaca ;-) ).

> posiadal dodatkowe zabezpieczenie czasowe (co dla swoich potrzeb nazwalem to
> duble trial), ktorego nainormalniej w swiecie cracker nie wziol (nie
> odnalazl) pod uwage.
> ma do was pytanko, czy ktos juz sie spotkal z tego rodzaju zabezpieczeniami.

Tak samo bylo wlasnie z programem Power Desk 98 trial ktory pomagal mi
DEVON zlamac. Program mial 3 sprawdzenia czasu trwania. Z 2-ma pomogl mi
wlasnie DEVON a 3-cie znalazlem przez przypadek w innym miejscu kodu
przypadkowo zmieniajac rok na 2001. Byly po prostu 3 skoki po 3-ech CMP
xxxxxx i wyglada ze juz wiecej nie bedzie. Wiec jest to nawet "triple
trial".

Nadal poczatkujacy 

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Wit !

>H> B=EAd=EA bardzo wdzi=EAczny gdyby kto=B6 m=F3g=B3by mi wyt=B3umaczy=E6 o co w tym
wszystkim chodzi i poda=E6
>H> jakie=B6 rozwi=B1zanie.
>H>                                      Henricus
>niestety jest to bardzo powazny problem. zauwazylem takie zachowanie
>takze u moich znajomych. po dlugich poszukiwaniach okazalo sie, ze, ni
>mniej ni wiecej, softice wykrywa obecnosc Outlook Expressa (wersja
>5.00.2919.6600 - sprawdz czy masz taka) w systemie. powoduje to,
>ze jezeli wysylasz jakiegos emaila w formacie html, to softice
>zawiesza swoja prace. jedynym rozwiazaniem wydaje definitywna
>rezygnacja z uzywania programu softice...
>Best regards,
> Kubol                            mailto:lyzab@friko.internet.pl

Nobla dla tego pana, podoba mi sie to ;)))))))))

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Hello root,

  Fuck html. Prosze dopisz dla nie czytatych na stopce informacje aby
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Moze by tak w koncu zmienic www.cp98nfo.prv.pl na cos z crackpl w tytule i
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przychodzily na liste mejlowa stuff, co wy na to ?

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Hello crackpl2000-forum,

  System komputera na jednej dyskietce-ciekawostka.
  Czy juz ktos z grupy zna cos takiego jest to to
  na stronce

  www.gnx.com/iat
       (system PC na 1 dysku 3.5 cala )
  system odpala sie z jednej dyskietki nawet dostep do
  internetu.
  Czy ktos z nas to probowal i ogladal ta wersje demo ?
  Rzecz jest ciekawa.
  Kompa odpala sie bez windy ani czegos podobnego.
  moze to jest przyszlosc ?

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amadeusz napisal:

>  System komputera na jednej dyskietce-ciekawostka.
>  Czy juz ktos z grupy zna cos takiego jest to to
>  na stronce

>  www.gnx.com/iat
chyba www.qnx.com 
>      (system PC na 1 dysku 3.5 cala )
>  system odpala sie z jednej dyskietki nawet dostep do
>  internetu.
>  Czy ktos z nas to probowal i ogladal ta wersje demo ?
Tak, wersje demo QNXa widzialem kiedys tam.. ale to tylko demo, niewiele
na nim mozna zrobic. (AFAIR jest proton bo chyba tak sie nazywalo to 
srodowisko graficzne, przegladarka WWW i cos tam jeszcze) 
>  Rzecz jest ciekawa.
i to bardzo.. QNX chyba o jakies 10 lat wyprzedzil konkurencje jesli chodzi
o architekture mikrojaja (a wlasnie na mikrojadrze jest QNX).
Ogolnie czytajac rozne txty natknalem sie na wiele pochlebnych zdan o QNX.
Ale komrecyjny.. nie na moja kieszen.
>  Kompa odpala sie bez windy ani czegos podobnego.
ofcorz, a tak zaawansowany system mialby byc progiem pod winde?
bootujesz normalnie.. z dyskietki z tym systemem.

jr.
ps. na jednej dyskietce o ile pamietam jest jeszcze V2 - system w calosci
pisany w czystym assemblerze, niestety nie napisali jeszcze stosu TCP/IP.

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witam!

to raczej chyba offtopic, ale sprawa jest godna uwagi jesli ktos interesuje
sie systemami operacyjnymi.

>  System komputera na jednej dyskietce-ciekawostka.

dokladniej - RTOS (real-time oper. sys.)

>  Czy juz ktos z grupy zna cos takiego jest to to
>  na stronce
>
>  www.gnx.com/iat
>       (system PC na 1 dysku 3.5 cala )


www.qnx.com jesli chodzi o scislosc.


>  system odpala sie z jednej dyskietki nawet dostep do
>  internetu.
>  Czy ktos z nas to probowal i ogladal ta wersje demo ?
>  Rzecz jest ciekawa.
>  Kompa odpala sie bez windy ani czegos podobnego.
>  moze to jest przyszlosc ?

probowalem i rzeczywiscie jest to bardzo fajna rzecz. dyskietki demo
rozpakowuje sie na dyskietki 3.5 cala i z nich odpala (a wiec bez windy). po
rozpoznaniu konfiguracji odpalaja sie okienka, cos pomiedzy winda a
x-window'ami. chodzi to bn. szybko nawet na moim 486, posiada jakies demka
graficzne (cieniowane wektorki o ile pamietam), cos ala wordpad, kalkulator
i web browser (voyager chyba). mozna pobawic sie okienkami, browserem
przejrzec html'owa dokumentacje lub polaczyc sie do netu (tego nie
probowalem). na 2 dyskietce demo byl jakis pakiecik, cos chyba pod
java-script czy jak - o ile pamietam mozna bylo skonstruowac jakas
animacyjke, czy poskladac balwanka z gotowych elementow i wyslac netem do
znajomkow. wszystko  kolorowe, szybkie i robiace duze wrazenie.

jesli chodzi o bardziej konkretne spojrzenie, to jest b.dobry system czasu
rzeczywistego (jeden chyba z najlepszych dostepnych na pc), ma mozliwosci
wspolpracy/wyswietlania z linuxe i WinNT (jesli klamie to sorry, ale bawilem
sie tym ponad rok temu), w pelni wielozadaniowy, wywalaszczanie, komunikaty,
chyba sieciowy file system, ronowalny (czyli da sie go wsadzic na EPROMa i
do sterownika), skalowalny, time-critical itd. - cud-miod-malina. oparty o
koncepcje mikrokernela i ladowalnych modulow. z tego co wtedy przegladalem -
koncepcja systemu byla naprawde dobra i godna polecania. chlopaki robia go
od 1980 roku chyba i systemik ten ma juz spora liczbe instalacji.
przedstawicielstwo ich jest nawet w polsce. systemik ten jest dosc drogi,
ale np. dla uczelni, ktore wprowadza go do programu swoich zajec - jest
chyba dostepny za darmo. ogolenie wszyscy siedzacy w temacie
embedded/real-time znaja go i nie slyszalem jeszcze jakis negatywnych
opinii.

na koniec najlepsze - jesli napiszecie do nich - przysylaja ksiazke
opisujaca caly kernel, biuletyn opisujacy co sie dzieje z systemem,
zastosowania, co nowego dopisali itd. z haselek moge rzucic jeszcze
PhotonGUI - to jest wlasnie to, co mozecie podziwiac na dyskietkach demo,
czyli graficzna nakladka na RTOS jakim jest QNX (skad my to znamy? :] tu
jednak sprawa jest naprawde dobra).

podsumowujac, jesli ktos interesuje sie systemami operacyjnymi, w
szeczegolnosci - polecam, bo duzo i za darmo :))

no to by bylo tyle,

pozdr.
sachy - da cyber fr0g :]


PS: aUTOR NINIEJSZEGO POSTU NIE MA NIC WSPOLNEGO Z FIRMA QNX Inc. ORAZ Z
ZADNYM JEJ DYSTRYBUTOREM I NINIEJSZA REKLAMA KTORA ZROBIL SYSTEMOWI WYNIKA Z
CZYSTEJ FASCYNACJI :)))))))))))))))


PS2:    Na pochybel M$ ;-)))))


PS3: Pomimo swych licznych zalet - QNX nie zagrozi naszemu zlotemu dziecku -
Billowi... Co najwyzej moze stanowic konkurencje dla Windows CE, ale
niestety tez chyba nie za duza :(((

nara!





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HI
> 
>   System komputera na jednej dyskietce-ciekawostka.
>   Czy juz ktos z grupy zna cos takiego jest to to
>   na stronce
>
>   www.gnx.com/iat
blad ;) chyba qnx
>        (system PC na 1 dysku 3.5 cala )
>   system odpala sie z jednej dyskietki nawet dostep do
>   internetu.
>   Czy ktos z nas to probowal i ogladal ta wersje demo ?
ta
>   Rzecz jest ciekawa.
bardzo i dziala :)
>   Kompa odpala sie bez windy ani czegos podobnego.
>   moze to jest przyszlosc ?
no jezeli jest to system operacyjny to po co winda???? ;)
> 
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Hello Ptasiek,

=B6roda, 29 marca 2000 o 07:35:31 you wrote:

>>Czesc crackpl2000-forum,
>>
>>  Przerobilem pzrykladowy plik z masm'a aby nic nie robil i byl
>>  progiem pod win32. Ma s=B3uzyc jako wabik na wiry, ca=B3y pusty i ma
>>  miec latwy do zapamietnai rozmiar np: 25000 lub 30000 bajt=F3w.
>>  Ale cosik mi to nie wychodzi :((

>>
>>.data
>>      db 27586 dup (0)
P> [..]
>>  Ale nie moge uzyskac rozmiaru jaki chce.
>>  Po dosem nie bylo problem=F3w, przez zmniejszenie lub powiekszenie
>>  tablicy uzyskiwalem po=BFadany efekt.
>>  A tu jesli rozmiar tej tablicy ma mniej niz 27590 to plik ma 29696
>>  bajt=F3w a jak dam o jeden bajt wi=EAcej to linkuje go na trzydziesci
>>  tysiecy z groszami. Juz zglupialem. Robi jakies zaokraglenia, ale
>>  jak to wylaczyc ??
>>
>>  BTW
>>  Jak zadeklarowac tablice aby nie zajmowala miejsca w exeku ??

P> heh te zaokroglenia to wynik alignowania rozmiaru
P> sekcji do wartosci zapisanej w naglowku pliku,

Dzieki za info co to. A teraz pytanie jak to obejsc aby uzyskac
rozmiar jaki chce ???? Jak  prog bedzie dopracowany to moze ktos, kto ma
wira zwabi go :) i podesle w celach poznawczych ??
dzieki.

[................]

P> Pozdr
P> Ptasiek <ptasiek@park.px.pl>
P> http://www.ptasiek.px.pl




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Hello crackpl2000-forum,

  Jestem poczatkujacy. Niedawno zainstalowalem SI i poczytalem troche
  o asm no i wziolem sie za crack-tutory. No i mam problem. Robilem
  wszystko zgodnie z tutorem toma/mnicha #2 (tom rozwala crackme1) i
  SI nie chce mi stawiac plapek na adresy w pamieci (bpm). Zalozylem
  plapki na 2 adresy i nic. Daje bl wszystko jest ok tak jak tom
  napisal. Zalozylem takze breakpointmemory na linijke gdzie wczytuje
  sie z danej komorki i tez nic. Po prostu plapki na bpm mi nie
  dzialaja.


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Szanowni Grupowicze
W zwi=B1zku z du=BFym odezwem na m=F3j list dotycz=B1cy moich problem=F3w
z SoftICEm czuj=EA si=EA zobowi=B1zany odpowidzie=E6 i wyt=B3umaczy=E6.
Nie czas i nie miejsce na zwierzenia ale postaram si=EA pisa=E6 kr=F3tko.
Rok temu sko=F1czy=B3em histori=EA. Od o=B6miu miesi=EAcy zajmuj=EA si=EA(czy mo=BFe
raczej zacz=B1=B3em si=EA interesowa=E6) informatyk=B1.Dziedzina wyda=B3a mi si=EA bardzo
interesuj=B1ca.Z miesi=B1ca na miesi=B1c coraz wi=EAcej czasu przesiadywa=B3em przed
komputerem i czytaj=B1c r=F3=BFne ksi=B1=BFki zwi=B1zane z tym tematem.
Kiedy odkry=B3em w internecie wasze Cracerskie strony i sam=B1 Grup=EA dyskusyjn=B1
by=B3em zachwycony.Pomy=B6la=B3em sobie -wspaniali ludzie! Nie do=B6=E6 =BFe mo=BFna si=EA
od Nich tyle nauczy=E6 to Oni jeszcze si=EA z t=B1 wiedz=B1 ch=EAtnie dziel=B1!(bardzo
rzadki
przypadek w dzisiejszych czasach)
Decyduj=B1c si=EA wys=B3a=E6 list do Forum zdawa=B3em sobie spraw=EA =BFe m=F3j problem mo=BFe
si=EA komu=B6 wyda=E6 =B6mieszny lub banalny.Wychodzi=B3em jednak z za=B3o=BFenia =BFe nie
ma
sensu "wywa=BFa=E6 otwartych drzwi" i lepiej jest si=EA z kim=B6 z konsultowa=E6.
Poza tym liczy=B3em na wyrozumia=B3o=B6=E6 z jak=B1 na og=F3=B3 traktujecie nowych
pocz=B1tkuj=B1cych
koleg=F3w.No c=F3=BF powinienem wiedzie=E6 =BFe ka=BFda wyrozumia=B3o=B6=E6 ma swoje granice.
Zrozumia=B3em lekcj=EA-wi=EAcej si=EA ju=BF nie odezw=EA.Przepraszam wszystkich za
k=B3opoty
jakie sprawi=B3 m=F3j list.
                                   Henricus

PS. Je=BFeli jeste=B6 ciekaw Kubol mojej reakcji na Twoj=B1 odpowied=BC to wiedz =BFe
      na pocz=B1tku potraktowa=B3em j=B1 powa=BFnie.Dopiero mniej subtelne listy
innych
      Grupowicz=F3w wyprowadzi=B3y mnie z b=B3=EAdu-szczerze im jestem wdzi=EAczny.



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