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THE NEWSDAY INTERVIEW WITH JEROME K. DAVIDSON (1995)
`We Want to Live in a Pluralistic Country'
He was interviewed by Newsday reporter Stuart Vincent, October 2, 1995
Q: Why did you feel it was important to acknowledge publicly the union
between Rabbi Karen Bender and Rachel Bernstein?
A: I think that gays and lesbians who choose a life partner should have
the opportunity of having that relationship, that union, sanctioned by a
religion. Many Jewish gays and lesbians are seeking to establish Jewish
homes. They want to celebrate the Sabbath and the holidays together, to
be part of the Jewish community and even to bond the children they may
chose to raise to the Jewish community. Thus they want a religious
sanction for their relationship and they want their commitment to be
acknowledged by Judaism so they can feel they are living a Jewish life
together, with the same values of the Jewish family that our religion
has always espoused - integrity, love and mutual respect. I think when
they want this we should be there for them.
Q: People often use the Bible to cite prohibitions against homosexuals.
Is this a valid argument for Judaism today?
A: The Bible certainly does contain clearly stated prohibitions against
homosexuality, but at the same time it contains such things as a person
who curses his mother or father shall be put to death; or a man who
touches a menstruating woman, even his wife, shall be cut off from the
Jewish people; or a suspected adulteress is required to drink poison as
a test of her guilt, or a leper has the infection because of his or her
moral guilt. These are all ideas that Judaism has grown beyond. The
important idea here is that biblical laws were amended or sometimes
suspended by Orthodox Jewish authorities as Judaism developed. Judaism
developed through an evolutionary process, as does any religion, school
of thought. The Orthodox who say homosexuals must be eliminated from the
community wouldn't say the same thing about stoning to death a child who
had cursed her mother.
Q: Were you surprised by the concerns expressed by synagogue members,
particularly the parents of interfaith couples and of children in the
Hebrew school?
A: There was a group very uncomfortable with the subject of
homosexuality being talked about and raised in such a public way.
Another concern was about a homosexual being a role model, that it
would somehow influence the choice of sexuality on the part of the young
person. I was suprised and disappointed - but I understand - at the
confusion people had over interfaith marriages and single-sex
marriages. I gave a sermon on Rosh Hashanah on the subject; there were
more than 2,500 people there and I was very nervous about the sermon,
very concerned that people would be distraught, angry, divided. I was
touched that the congregation - after I had explained the situation
fully - was, I think, willing to rethink the matter. After the
sermon, Rabbi Bender came over and gave me a hug and the congregation
burst into applause. It was a very touching moment. It was a show of
support. It was a healing experience.
Q: You have said you are rethinking the congregation's outreach to
interfaith couples. What needs to be done?
A: Probably 75 percent of the children who are raised in inter-religious
marriages where there is no religion are not raised as Jews. I'm not
sure liberal synagogues have done everything we can do. It's a very
delicate balance for a rabbi on the one hand to encourage marriage in
the Jewish tradition and on the other hand encourage interfaith couples
to enter synagogue life. How do you do both? I haven't officiated at
interfaith marriages, because as a rabbi, of course, I believe that
every marriage I perform should be the beginning of a Jewish home where
Judaism is lived and shared and celebrated. The blessing of Jewish
lesbians and gays isn't the same issue at all. They're looking for a
blessing for a shared life together. The other issue deals with Jewish
faith. What should be rethought are ways to be more open and forthcoming
than we have been. We're thinking about ways to involve the non-Jew in
the synagogue. In fact, we have a task force meeting on that issue.
Maybe there is something we can do by way of welcoming interfaith
couples even before they are married.
Q: You have initiated outreach programs to African-Americans,
Christians and Muslims. Why is this important?
A: The future of the Jewish community is tied up with the future of
American society and, as long as we want to live in a democratic,
pluralistic country, we have to do everything we can to make sure not
only that communication is opened between various groups but that there
is meaningful contact. The greatest danger to a minority such as the
Jewish people is that when the country splits apart and trouble comes
and minorities are singled out and scapgoated for all of the economic
and social problems around, it is by building coalitions that work for
social justice, by people-to-people communication, that there will be a
kind of fabric that a downturn in the economy cannot rip apart. Today
the swing of the pendulum is to single out the "not normal" Americans
someone such as Newt Gingrich talks about. It's crucial that the country
remain a very open and liberal land where everyone is accepted.
Q: With a political and religious atmosphere that seems to be
increasingly less tolerant and more conservative, do you feel pressure
from your congregation or the Jewish community at large to change?
A: No. That's one of the reasons I felt so strongly about the
gay-lesbian issue. When a presidential candidate gives back a
contribution from a homosexual organization and at the same time is
trying to save the skin of a colleague accused of sexual harassment -
and gets away with it - this indicates how the mood of the country
is growing increasingly intolerant of gays. That's why I felt so
strongly that within the Jewish community they be treated as human
beings. The Jewish community has not been really caught up by this
attitude of narrowness and intolerance. Its voting has been strongly
liberal. There are loud voices within the Jewish community, many of them
Orthodox, right wing, who are reluctant to join in these programs of
outreach, but the vast majority of the Jewish community is liberal in
spirit. That's why Jews have always loved America and why Jews have
been a part of American life like we have never been a part of any other
country except Israel. And in some cases freedom of religion is even
greater than in Israel because, unfortunately, the Orthodox do not offer
freedom of religion to non-Orthodox Jews.
Copyright 1995, Newsday Inc.
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