From the Radio Free Michigan archives ftp://141.209.3.26/pub/patriot If you have any other files you'd like to contribute, e-mail them to bj496@Cleveland.Freenet.Edu. ------------------------------------------------ From: clarkbr@spot.Colorado.EDU (CLARK BRIAN R) Subject: Gov't Secrecy Date: 19 Aug 1994 19:06:23 GMT The following file of excepts of testimony by Daniel Ellsberg to the US Senate in 1973 gives an insider's perspective on government secrecy. I hope that readers find this of interest. *** Begin Included text *** Daniel Ellsberg was a high foreign policy official and one who publicly challenged government policy on secrecy. He testified before the Joint Senate Hearings held on May 17, 1973 by the Committees on the Judiciary and Government Operations. Ellsberg spoke of the manner in which the classification system is used, the hierarchy of security clearances, and the effect that "privileged information has upon the minds of those who share in its access. Material listed here is from FAIN, ET AL., THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY since this was Congressional testimony, references to Ellsberg's remarks can also be found in the appropriate transcript(s) of Congressional testimony given on that date. "I have really been dismayed to discover how quickly to the minds of Americans come questions that reveal their fear of openness. The risks of no secrecy are the risks of democracy. The question is: Are the Bill of Rights, and the constitutional checks and balances obsolete in the 20th century? Have nuclear bombs made it impossible for an American Government to be open to its own people, as so few governments in the world are today? What are the costs and risks of executive secrecy, however beneficial it might be? ...I believe that the price of executive secrecy...spell[s] the subversion of our form of government. The fact is that our Constitution was written in a spirit of cynicism, suspicion and distrust, and every clause reflects those attitudes, every clause reflects the attitudes that humans in authority and power cannot be trusted to become angels by virtue of their office; cannot be trusted at all, as a matter of fact, and need to be set watching each other. p.503 In particular, I speak not as a lawyer, but as someone who has had a very expensive education in the law of secrecy over the last five months and before that as someone who had an expensive education in the practice and attitudes of secrecy, who lived in the world of secrets for 12 years before that, a period when I certainly did not know much of the law of the Constitution because I worked for the executive branch. I worked for the President and thus THOUGHT I WAS BEYOND THE LAW, LIKE ALL OTHER EXECUTIVE SERVANTS. [EMPHASIS ADDED AB] The Pentagon Papers...revealed to me, above all, a conspiratorial style in executive decisionmaking, a style that I was part of in the 12 years that I have worked with it. Why have our executive officials been led to act as if they are members of a conspiracy? Because I think that does describe it. I repeat and will repeat it again, I am sure, what we are seeing in Watergate is the same attitudes, the same style, the same conspiratorial attitude we have used for generations to subvert self-determination in other countries in the world. p.504 Perhaps I could cut through it best by just relating to you some advice I gave to a man who entered Government 4 years ago, and I might as well name him -- Henry Kissinger -- someone I had known academically or professionally for 10 years. It seemed to me it was appropriate to pass on some thoughts to him in advance and perhaps inoculate him against the transformation that I feared was going to come over this person. It was appropriate to do it to this person because I felt he was going to be initiated into the most esoteric and sinister parts of this system. He was not only going to have a top secret but perhaps a SCORE OR TWO SCORE, for all I know, OF THE CLEARANCES HIGHER THAN TOP SECRET [emphasis added AB] of which I had held an even dozen when I worked as special assistant to the Assistant Secretary of Defense. ...in December of 1968 in the Hotel Pierre...I said to him, 'You are about to get 10,15, or 20 clearances of a sort that you never knew existed. Their very names are classified.' Code words that identify them on pieces of paper are classified. They are referred to by the first letters of their codewords; [cf. MAJIC material and Cooper material e.g. TS: ORCON etc.] they are never to be photographed. That applies only to the lowest of these clearances to which I refer. Secretary McNamara had at least a few more. I wouldn't suggest how many each person had in the Defense Dept. Persons in the White House could have many more in the NSA and CIA and many places I didn't deal with. p.505 [Ellsberg talked to Kissinger about the latter's book NUCLEAR WEAPONS AND FOREIGN POLICY and said to HK:]' You will feel like a fool for having written all that without having this special information on which to judge....But that feeling will only last for a week or two, because after a week or so of having four star generals bring you in special brief cases, special pouches, books that are available only to you and your boss and a few other people...and certainly not to members of the public, you will forget that you were once a fool and remember only that everyone else is a fool who does not have this information. Moreover, in signing agreements to have this information, you will come to understand that the only way of keeping secrets this well IS TO LIE.' [EMPHASIS ADDED AB] A contract to observe these clearances, and these are essentially contractual agreements in the executive branch, conditions of employment, IS A CONTRACT TO LIE; [emphasis added AB] When I say lie, on the first hand, if you are asked if you have this clearance, you are not allowed to say, no comment. [see p.65 WISE/LYING] YOUR DUTY IS TO LIE AND SAY YOU DO NOT HAVE IT [EMPHASIS ADDED AB] If you are asked about the contents, YOU ARE TO LIE and say you know nothing about the contents [EMPHASIS ADDED AB] If you are asked whether you have aparticular piece of information, YOU MUST LIE and say you do not. [EMPHASIS ADDED AB] The effect of that is that you will HAVE TO LIE and will succeed in lying and you will FOOL YOUR FORMER ACADEMIC COLLEAGUES.[EMPHASIS ADDED AB Cf. material relating to Menzel being/not being a member of MJ12. Also see material below from p.508] You will discover, in collaboration with thousands of other executive officials all telling the same cover story, that it is easy to fool people. And that is what the President learns. In fact if I have learned one thing in 5 months in court, it is TO RESPECT THE WISDOM OF ALLOWING 12 ORDINARY CITIZENS TO BE THE JUDGES OF TRUTH OR HONESTY on the witness stand. I believe they are shrewd an extremely effective weighers of lying on that stand.... But you will find if any of you go into the executive branch, you will discover that given the benefit of the doubt that accrues to the President or anyone who works for him, it is easy to fool people. THERE REALLY ARE SECRETS AND THEY ARE VERY WELL KEPT. [EMPHASIS ADDED AB] The notion that everything comes out in the NEW YORK TIMES is untrue. It is a cover story meant to keep people from prying too closely. You will learn as Kissinger would, as I told him, you will learn there are secrets that are very well kept, that people can, in effect be easily fooled if you work for the President.... p.506 The security system is an education in contempt for law, because you cannot be held accountable to law, at least we used to think we could not.... You are then beyond the law if you do the President's wishes, and the President is thought to be beyond the law. [cf also ch.5 of WISE/LYING "The President is Sort of outside the Law" AB] Moreover, you cannot be accountable to Justice or even the public if the secrets of your advice and your actions are bound to be well kept. You are safe from accountability. Contempt follows for the public that is so easily fooled, and that contempt is the death in that individual for the democratic spirit. Indeed, we cannot, our democracy cannot be served or guarded by people whose core belief is contempt for the democratic process and for the citizens who elect them and to whom they supposedly are responsible. This was the image in my mind on the effects of secrets on a high level official; not the low level because MERE TOP SECRETS [emphasis added AB] don't have this effect, they are so low, so close to what you read in the NEW YORK TIMES.... So you live in a different world of information. You come to think of yourself as a resident of a different world with different powers and responsibilities. As I say, I thought of that access like the potion that Circe gave Ulysses' men that turned men into swine, and made fools of them. p.507 The secrets are kept not only by this conspiratorial type of honor among thieves, but by the entire apparatus of conspiracy and that is the last point I want to touch on here. I am saying, I have to reiterate, THE SECRETS ARE BETTER KEPT THAN YOU KNOW. [EMPHASIS ADDED AB]. I have NEVER [EMPHASIS ADDED AB] met in 12 years a newspaperman...who could imagine how often and how easily he WAS LIED TO [emphasis added AB] by my bosses. In the field of foreign affairs we have come to expect this from the President; it is his job and we don't need to know. The President shares that belief: That the public does not need to know and cannot be trusted with the information -- the two requirements of sharing information with him, in the regulations. ...they have...an apparatus to keep these secrets EVEN FROM THEIR OWN SECRETARIES...OR THEIR OWN DEPUTIES OR W I V E S, people who work closely with them. p.508 If you had worked all your life with top secret material in the Pentagon for Assistant Secretaries, unless you were one of the elect, you would not be aware that there are entire rooms in the Pentagon with safe doors outside, with a guardian, with a computer list up to date hourly and daily as to who is admitted in that room, and unless you know the codeword and are on that list, you cannot enter that room or know of its existence. It will have a very nondescript door in the hall that will not suggest what is inside. You can go in that room and discover yourself in something like the reading room of the New York Public Library, not a closet, not a safe, but a room with charts, with library shelves of material, no word of which you were previously aware existed. You did not know how it was gotten. You did not know the President had this kind of information at all. Of course, the effect of that is very euphoric at first. You go around and take things off the shelves and begin reading and imagine you are about to learn all the answers, that Godlike knowledge is now available to you. Now, you can be introduced into one of those rooms and still have NO IDEA THAT THERE EXIST STILL OTHER ROOMS WITH OTHER SOURCES OF INFORMATION, OTHER ACCESS LISTS JUST AS LARGE AND JUST AS SECRET. [EMPHASIS ADDED AB] I would say it is not until you have four or five such clearances, that THE NEXT LEVEL is revealed to you. Then you become aware that THERE IS NO LIMIT TO THIS; that these clearances can be generated very quickly in a day or two; and such types of information CAN BE SEGREGATED -- I am not saying only from the public or Congress, BUT EVEN FROM OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE TWO OR THREE OTHER CLEARANCES -- very effectively. [Emphasis added AB] p.508 Once you have a dozen, from then on, you live in the knowledge there must be others you don't have. Could there be clearances the President doesn't know about? Of course, certainly, without any doubt....Could it, however, be withheld from him? The answer is 'Yes,' and even by close associates. Top Secret, you have heard in testimony, top secret is accessible to 400,000 to 500,000 people....Comint clearance is far more secret, far more sensitive. p.508 Members of Congress or their staffs...can't be trusted, but ... 120,000 sergeants, warrant officers, generals and Cabinet secretaries [can]. The next clearance above that cuts way down to about 14,000 to 20,000. What I am saying is that the world of secrets is lived in by a very large number of people, though a very small part of our our electorate and only one branch of our Government. Henry Kissinger lives in a much smaller world, a world that for SOME PIECES OF INFORMATION might be inhabited only by a couple of people. ...one White House staffer told me...'I wonder if Henry realizes there were certain things known only to him, the President, and the Army General Staff....' But I am saying, as many as 100,000 or 400,000, nevertheless keep secrets very well because of this apparatus of conspiracy, special channels, special couriers for each clearance. The couriers for one clearance do not know the existence of the other ones. Special briefings, special access lists, special libraries, each separate, the apparatus of an espionage ring; a Government that consists of cells but with the President at the top. Certainly when I say there are clearances that the President may not know of, I say that only to make a point. The more important point is, the President DOES KNOW VIRTUALLY ALL OFL OF THIS.... [A year later Ellsberg] wanted to tell [Kissinger] that his Vietnam policy was not necessarily a secret. It was a policy of escalation in my opinion, although too many people that it was a policy of withdrawal. A mass hoax was played on the American public. A preplanned policy of escalation likely to bring us into Laos and Cambodia and North Vietnam, into the bombing of North Vietnam [Note: made possible in part by Task Force 157 AB].... p.510 [Kissinger told Ellsberg:] 'Cambodia, you must understand, was made for very complicated reasons.' Secret reasons which could not be exposed to the Senate or the Congress, and therefore couldn't be discussed or argued with, reasons so foolish, and yet their foolishness could not be discussed. That is why men can live with moronic policies for years, because THEY ARE SECRET [EMPHASIS ADDED AB] p.511 Sen. Muskie: Thank you Dr. Ellsberg...I assume you have heard of, if not read, David Wise's book? Ellsberg: I have received an advance copy, but I haven't had a chance to read it. Muskie: THE POLITICS OF LYING. Well, I haven't had a chance to read it altogether, but I have readd two or three chapters that touch the same points, some of the same points that you did this morning...First of all, the classification system has no basis in statutory law? Ellsberg: Yes Muskie: It is entirely a Presidential system? Ellsberg: That is correct. p.511 Muskie: What standards should be devised for defining the need for secrecy? Ellsberg: I put first emphasis on standards that would keep the system within the bounds of democratic government. I might say, by the way, that I was frequently and ruthlessly accused two years ago [1971], when the Pentagon Papers came out, of threatining communications data or codes, threatening codes. I knew that not a page of those documents compromised codes for the simple reason they didn't have the right words. Had they in fact threatened codes I knew very well they would have had one to a dozen other words on that cover that would have warned me very effectively, and I had no desire to compromise codes. But the key points here are that, in principle, any secrecy about Government operations is to some extent an abridgment of our First Amendment. Freedom of speech, freedom of the press, and implicitly behind it the freedom to know and gather information is, above all, given to us in the hopes of maintaining this a republic, so that citizens shall know how their officials are working. It is athe absolute core of our Government. So any abridgment, of course, has to be regarded with the utmost skepticism and worry. But as I say, Congress has to make some allowance for someand so does the Supreme Court. The key characteristics that make that viable in a democracy are: the number of secrets must be very samll; but above all, the system must be monitored as it goes on to see that the guideleines are being met. Third, there must be a form of appeal both in the executive branch, in Congress, and in the courts. Not one of these three characteristics is currently possessed by our classification system. p.513 Everything is routinely classified. There is essentially no monitoring of the process by anybody, or anything leading to the same result, and almost nothing gets declassified. In fact, you can't challenge that classification in the courts. Most courts have refused to question the validity of the classification. In short, there must be the possibility of questioning the validity of any mark and the motives of it. p.514 *** End Included Text *** -- "Humor is the contemplation of the finite from the point of view of the infinite." - Christian Morgenstern (1871-1914) ------------------------------------------------ (This file was found elsewhere on the Internet and uploaded to the Radio Free Michigan site by the archive maintainer. Protection of Individual Rights and Liberties. E-mail bj496@Cleveland.Freenet.Edu)