Return-Path: Received: from minuet.skypoint.net by skypoint.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tOo82-0005OcC; Sun, 10 Dec 95 09:57 CST Received: by minuet.skypoint.net (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tOnvH-0002RzC; Sun, 10 Dec 95 09:44 CST Received: from iquest1.iquest.net by minuet.skypoint.net with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tOnvH-0002SlC; Sun, 10 Dec 95 09:44 CST Received: from iquest.net by iquest1.iquest.net with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #11) id m0tOnkI-000BEsC; Sun, 10 Dec 95 10:32 EST Received: from ts05-ind-04.iquest.net by iquest.net with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #16) id m0tOnjU-00032GC; Sun, 10 Dec 95 10:32 EST Message-Id: Date: Sun, 10 Dec 95 10:32 EST X-Sender: lindat@iquest.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Christian@skypoint.com, Jacken@skypoint.com From: lindat@iquest.net (Linda Thompson, American Justice Federation) Subject: Re: American Justice Federation Content-Length: 23825 Status: >Dear Mrs. Thompson, > >I'm at the 13th grade at the local grammar school, How nice to hear from you again. It is very nice to see someone so bright, interested in such things. What is the "13th grade of grammar school?" Here, the 13th grade would be the first year of college and most people in that grade are about 18-19 years old. You write that well, so I would presume you are college age, however, "grammar school" here is the early grades -- for children under age 12. If you are under age 12, you are truly quite bright and you pose excellent questions. I wish the people in the media I have encountered over the years were even 1/3 as astute as you appear to be. > and some weeks ago >a colleague read a paper about extremist movements in the USA. >I tried to find some of the leaders' email adresses, but only you >answered :-(( That is truly unfortunate. However, by contacting me, I'm afraid you haven't contacted anyone in an "extremist movement." I'm an attorney, writer, and militia leader, none of which is particularly extremist. I have my doctorate in law and I spend the majority of my time attempting to return this country to freedom via adherence to our Constitution. >(Neverthless, thank you very much!!!!) You're welcome. >I would like to ask you some things, please say so if you feel not comfortable with any questions. There are no "uncomfortable" questions, only people who become uncomfortable, which should give rise to the thought, "Hmm, why is that person uncomfortable answering the question?" It generally indicates they must phrase their answer to each person to whom they respond (meaning they aren't telling the truth, eh?) >- Do you feel that your movement is extremistic? You would need to define the term "extremistic" for me before I could accurately respond to the question. Many such descriptive terms are merely inflammatory and have no real meaning. The word from which I believe the word "extremistic" may be derived is "extreme" or "extremism." Extremism in the pursuit of liberty is not a vice. It is a mandate. >- Do you think that american polititians do well for their citizens or that >their damage more than they build? Our present politicians are primarily drug and gun running thugs who advance only their own personal agendas and those of their bosses, primarily the defense industry in the United States. They have done very well for themselves, while destroying this country. It is a national disgrace. What is more of a disgrace is that our media will not expose these matters to the public at large, and an even bigger disgrace still, is that the media has failed to do so, not because they are all stupid or lazy, but in many cases, they are either military intelligence operatives themselves, or the owners of the particular media are getting back door deals from the government. >- Do you go to vote? Not any longer. Until three years ago, I voted regularly. Now, however, I have learned that voting here is totally rigged. The people who are running are chosen by those with whom they are in league and the candidates are generally financed by narcotics money. The average, honest person has no possibility of running for office here, then, even if they did, the mechanism to count the votes here is also completely rigged. An excellent book on this topic is "Votescam" by James Collier and his brother, whose name I seem to have forgotten for the moment. > Would you prefer a republican or democrat government? This question indicates to me that you don't understand what you are asking, so I will try to set it out and make the distinctions that your question indicates to me you do not understand. There are two principal political parties in the United States, republican and democrat, however, their platforms are not "forms of government," they are policy statements (and they aren't even binding on their own members). For instance, because a person is a "republican" doesn't mean he believes in a "republican" form of government. He may believe in the republican party and whatever the republican party claims to believe that day, but the republican party itself does not endorse a "republican form of government." Likewise, a person can be a democrat and believe in whatever the democrats believe, but the democrat party does not endorse a "democratic form of government." Our country, however, as stated in our Constitution, the Supreme law of the country, was established as a "Republican" form of government, a "Constitutional Democratic Republic." Is that confusing? The terms "democratic republic" have nothing to do with the "republican" or "democratic" party, but rather, is a phrase that is descriptive primarily of the type of election process used in this country. A "Democratic Republic" as a form of government means that the people vote for "electors" and these electors then are supposed to vote for the actual politicians. In that way, even minority groups are supposed to be represented. It resembles a plain "democracy" in that everyone has one vote, but the one vote goes to elect an elector in a small area, and then all the electors vote for the politicians. The electors are supposed to represent everyone, including minority groups, in their area. Another form of government (that our stupid-as-a-pig-president consistently and wrongly uses to refer to the United States), is a "democracy." In a pure democracy, there is one vote for every person and the people vote directly for candidates. This is actually a very pure form of socialism and it is bad for many reasons, but the way to illustrate it best is to compare it to three wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. You get the idea. It is a fine system if you are a wolf, but not too good if you are one of the sheep. A Democratic Republic form of government is supposed to prevent the problems that arise with "mob rule" or a pure democracy by allowing minorities to have a voice through electors on equal footing with the majority. Since I am a strong supporter of our country's Constitution, I strongly endorse the Democratic Republic form of government. However, the terms "republican" form of government and "democratic" form of government are meaningless by themselves, or at least as applied to the United States. There is no "democratic" form of government opposed to a "republican" form of government. Likewise, the differences between the "democratic" and "republican" parties in the United States, are not derived from the terms "Democratic Republic" other than the words themeselves are confusingly similar. The primary difference between the democratic and republican parties in the United States is that, formerly, the democrats could be distinguished by their desire to promote more social policy and more control over state and local polices, directed by the centralized federal government, whereas the republicans claimed to want less social programs (but would spend a correspondingly larger amount on the military budget). In the early years of our country, the "federalists" would be what have become today's democrats and the anti-federalists would be what have become today's republicans, however, the delineations between the two have become few. Today, there is virtually no distinction between the parties, because the people leading the parties have their own interests at heart, not the interests of the country, and have consolidated their power into political tyranny. If anything, the Democrats are Marxist and the Republicans are Fascist. None has any concept of what our Constitutional Republic is supposed to be and none gives a damn about the people of the United States, other than what they can get out of them, whether it is work or money, and keeping us under surveillance and total control. As an example, recently, Congress was voting on a fascist piece of legislation that would allow police to simply ransack people's homes. (That they would even be considering such a bill should tell you how bad it is here), but nonetheless, one brave soul tried to add an amendment to it. The amendment was the EXACT wording from the 4th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution which states one of the most important rights of the people. 70% of the Congress not only did not recognize it, they voted against it. >- What is your opinion about current government policy? Are you for free-market liberalism? Why don't you tell me what these terms MEAN, eh? They sound like the words used by propagandists -- they sound nice, and no one wants to admit they don't have a clue what they REALLY mean. I advocate free markets, period, without government constraints on businesses within the U.S. (or upon individuals). My slogan is "get the government off our backs, out of our pockets, and under our control." Many of our problems result from government regulation of what should not even be a province of government, regulating businesses to extort control over them, requiring businesses to be tax collectors of illegal taxes, and then on the other hand, government cutting deals for huge sums of moneys to go to corporations through backdoor deals in the Congress. Our media enterprises are most especially manipulated in this manner and we no longer have a free press. All this should stop. Individually, and corporately, sink or swim on your own merits. >- What is your opinion about democracy? Do you think that it is a proper form of government for the USA? No. This country is not, was not intended to be, and never has been a "democracy." Learn what the word actually means. See above. >- Do you believe that the USA should control the american continent, or even other continents? No. This "imperialist" attitude has developed in this country largely because our economy has been extremely dependent upon the defense (military) industry. The government contractors that build all the weapons of war are the biggest employers. When they are out of business, the economy goes in the toilet. So to correct this "problem," the government is now allowing the defense businesses to build more and more prisons, to run the prisons and to sell weapons of war to the local police, while also passing hundreds of federal laws to lock up people for committing no crime (other than owning something the government lists as "forbidden.") The prisons also have privately owned prison industries that produce products, while the prisoners work for $1 a day. This is nothing but a contrived, forced slave labor camp on a huge scale. The majority of our prison populations are black. Blacks in this country have been targetted, just as the Jews were targetted in Germany. The media helps this by showing television programs where "gangs" and "criminals" are always black, commercials about "bad drug problems" always show black people, and then the police are rewarded for arresting blacks, to show them on tv when they are proving that they are "tough on crime." This is the result of total control of the media -- absolutely despicable propaganda that is destroying the black population in this country, not just for this generation, but two and three generations to come. When a man is imprisoned, his family often is forced onto the government welfare system. The government can then also spy and pry on his family and take his children. They grow up in a home without their father, at best, or in a government home, being shuttled from one abusive situation to another, in the ordinary case. This situation has been purposely created by the scum who are running our country and our media, while out the other side of their mouth, they claim they are "cleaning up crime" and working to make America better. By promoting more and more and more laws, "get tough on crime" and arresting people for totally bogus laws that have been passed, the prison industry becomes our number one business in the country, employing people in the police, the courts, the jails, the defense industry to build the tanks and guns used on the people. In the meantime, the money running the country is coming from drugs. The more laws against drugs that are passed, the higher the price and the greater the profits for the people bringing the drugs into the country -- most of which are brought in by the very people running the country. They have their competitors arrested. >- What about an one-world-government? Why would anyone believe this is a good thing? What happened to respect for individual beliefs and individual liberty? Have we become so blinded by these liars who claim they "only want to help people" that we no longer think for ourselves? Would you want to be forced -- at gun point, and it will be at gun point (take a look at Bosnia, if you don't believe me, or Somalia, or Panama) to live the way someone else tells you that you must, because they tell you it is "for the good of mankind?" Or would you at least prefer the option to live with people with whom you agree? >- Do you feel that you have some importance? In the sense that every human being on earth has importance, yes, I am extremely important, most especially to me. (grin) I would presume you are important to yourself, yes? In any event, if you mean that more broadly, I know that my work has made a significant impact here in the United States, but I wouldn't say in the scheme of things that I'm anyone special. No, in fact, if anything, what I have accomplished proves that one ordinary person can in fact make a huge difference, simply by trying, and I am trying to motivate people, many of whom used to believe the situation was hopeless, by my example to realize that it not only is not hopeless, each of us can accomplish far more than we ever dreamed possible. One indication that one person can in fact make a tremendous difference is that I have had no money to do any of my work and started out more than $30,000 in debt, yet the persons attempting to shut me up have spent millions of dollars to put out false information (such as that to which you alluded) claiming I am allied with "nazis" or "white supremacists" to discredit me because the information I have gotten out has been so damaging by exposing the truth of what is going on in this country, without getting any media at all to help. So they claim I am "an extremist" and they claim I am a "nazi" In fact, I oppose nazis (many of the people running our government as well as the government of Germany are genuine nazis) or a "white supremacist." It hasn't worked particularly well, particularly since I am an Indian, for one thing, not white, and several of my most trusted friends are black. But people see through the propaganda here pretty readily because blacks and whites have the same enemy and it is not based on race or religion, but on the issue of liberty. We want to be free-- free of fascist dictators ruining the lives of us all. (Additionally, without knowing anything about me at all, if anyone would take just a moment to think about how preposterous such claims are, to say a person is "a nazi and a white supremacist" is transparently a lie, no matter who they are talking about. The nazis are socialists, whereas white supremacists generally oppose and despise centralized government, which is the opposite of socialists. How could one person adopt both viewpoints and not be quite daft?) If you research this well, you'll find that there is actually just a handful of people who write these types of articles and sell them to the powerful media (or they work for the powerful media) and they are paid, professional propagandists. It is their job to shut up any opposition and that is how they do it. In any event, I am not allied with nor supportive of the viewpoints of either nazis or white supremacists; however, in this country, ALL people, including nazis, racists, and so on, have an absolute right to their beliefs and I would defend anyone's right to hold his own beliefs whatever they may be, including the nazis and white supremacists, even though I do not agree with them. > Did you really change sth until now or do you plan to change >things only when you gained more power? I think this question must have gotten garbled in the transport of the message and I can't quite tell what you are asking. Perhaps you could send it again? >- Would you like to be president of the USA? Not especially. I'd rather be Attorney General so I could get every one of the criminals running all these various government agencies indicted for their crimes and sent to prison or the gallows, frankly. >- Do you have alliances with other similar movements? I am not in a "movement." If you are referring to the militia, in our country, every person must be a member of the militia by law. (Title 10, section 311 of the United States code, derived from the Militia Act of 1792). You may recall that it was the milita who achieved this country's independence in 1776, too. The professional propagandists in the media, funded by military intelligence budgets, have falsely described the militia in such terms as "a movement," as if it is some sort of aberrant political "movement," which is nothing but a bald faced, easily disproven lie. However, they have the money and the media to perpetrate such lies, even internationally, which is what they have done. Their goal is to attempt to turn popular opinion against the people of the United States, by making it appear that "the militia" is just a small bunch of nutcases, when in fact, the militia is the entire population of the United States between the ages of 17 and 42 who are not in the active duty military or the National Guard. Few people knew this until I made them aware of it. The militia is to defend this country from the use of military (our own) against us and to defend our states from invasion. Presently, the people in power are militarizing our police forces and in fact using military as police in this country. We have become quite taken over with the militarization. It is vitally important for people to realize that the militia was and is intended to stop exactly this sort of abuse of power and its use against us. >- Does the police or FBI harm your movement? Yes, purposely. Many of the police are involved in cocaine and gun running with the FBI. Many of the leaders of the FBI themselves are allied with foreign intelligence groups, such as the Israeli Mossad and CIA, and they commit crimes throughout this country with impunity, working with congressmen and other high level government employees, particularly in the Pentagon and military special operations. We are their biggest threat because what we do is expose their crimes, They do what they can, working with the military intelligence community through the media, to portray us negatively, as if we are criminals (but pay careful attention -- they use a lot of inflammatory language and ALWAYS show "bad bad guns" but what CRIMES do they describe about us? None), when in fact, they are the criminals. I would have no influence whatsoever if the people of the United States were not fed up with the criminals in our government. I have merely voiced what millions were already thinking, nothing more. >- Do you sometimes employ violence to reach certain goals? I have never employed violence in my life. You certainly seem to have been indoctrinated with all the propaganda, but that is not surprising. The people who have employed violence in this country are the FBI, federal agencies, police and military. Did you see any footage about Waco? That is a good example. The media lied and lied and lied and made it seem that somehow, it must be perfectly okay to storm a house full of 140 men, women and children, using helicopter gunships firing into the house, men with machine guns and flash grendades, so long as they repeated, over and over, that "David Koresh, was a crazed cult leader and these were cult member." No, it was not okay, any more than it was okay for Hitler to make the EXACT same claims about the Jews when he stormed the Warsaw Ghetto, "They were stockpiling weapons, abusing children, they were a crazed cult." Then, they used tanks, mortars, and set the place on fire and blew it up -- all right in front of our eyes, on television, brazenly, inhumanely, indecently, boasting their power to get away with murder in front of the whole world. Across our country, the media refuses to tell how the police are now routinely attacking people in the streets, in theirs homes, even using tanks, and they arrive with machine guns, roust women and children from their beds, even naked, trash the homes. We are living in a fascist police state here, where all the violence comes from the so-called "law enforcement." They have become just like the nazi brown shirts of the 1940s. My work has been solely writing and producing videotapes that simply show exactly what these thugs have done. Nothing more, nothing less, nor does any of my work advocate a violent response. However, I believe it is inevitable that we will have a civil war in this country. The people cannot tolerate much more and there is little other way to change it. >- Who are your enemys? The persons behind? Criminals running our government who have no respect for people are my enemies. The major banking cartels are behind them, and some very large trusts behind them. These cross all cultural and country boundaries, so please, don't immediately assume that stupid "Oh, she's talking about the Jewish bankers" nonsense. That is incorrect. Our federal reserve is owned by 11 corporations that are foreign, including British. Your own country's economy is manipulated and controlled by the same interests. >- Are you happy? "Happy" might be an overstatement, because how can one be "happy" knowing that our country, that was supposed to be a model to the world for individual liberty and freedom, has been taken over by mobsters and that if we don't stop it, my children will literally be living in a police state, in slavery? I am happy with various aspects of my personal life, but not with the overall picture of this country and what I would be leaving my children if it were not changed. >- When is the nightmare over? When every one of the criminals who have destroyed the fabric of this country are behind bars or dead. >Yours sincerely > >Christian Jacken Kind regards, *********************** V ************************* DEATH TO THE NEW WORLD ORDER **************************************************** Linda Thompson American Justice Federation Home of AEN News & news videos, "Waco, the Big Lie," "America Under Siege" 3850 S. Emerson Ave. Indianapolis, IN 46203 Telephone: (317) 780-5200 Fax: (317) 780-5209 Internet: lindat@iquest.net ************************************************** Remember Waco. The Murderers are still free. *************************************************** The Army is going to courtmartial Spc. Michael New for not wearing a U.N. uniform, but the Army won't courtmartial the members of the 160th and 158th Special Operations, 82nd Airborne, Ft. Hood Cav Members, and 10thMountain Division members who helped MURDER CHILDREN at Waco. What's wrong with this picture? ******************************************** Do you pay taxes because you've been lied to and you think the taxes go to the "good of the country" or do you pay because you are afraid the feds will take your paycheck, your house, your car, and put you in prison? Funny, but when the mafia does it, that's called CRIMINAL EXTORTION. THIS YEAR, JOIN 50 MILLION AMERICANS AND JUST SAY NO. And never give up your guns.