UFOs & EBEs - part 2 of 2
Howe: Okay, but so I am clear, this is a colonel who is joining you and your CIA boss and three other CIA men in your program?
Kewper: Yes.
Howe: Were there only six of you?
Kewper: Yes. As we passed through different areas, naturally there were other workers and scientists working on different things, and office personnel.
Howe: And did you understand what the reason was that your boss was having you go to have this tour by this colonel?
Kewper: Yes. They wanted us to see the craft so when we looked at pictures, trying to identify fake pictures from the real thing, this would be a help to us. That was the main reason why we were toured through the area to see the different types of craft, so we could pick out the [hoaxed] "garbage can covers" from the real craft.
Howe: So the six of you, with the colonel, your CIA boss, yourself and these three other CIA men involved in this
project, you're going, literally moving, walking into a carved-out area of a mountain?
Kewper: Yes.
Howe: Can you describe exactly what you saw?
Kewper: As soon as we got in, the first thing we did see were two small craft.
Howe: What colour were they?
Kewper: They were silver, kind of a silver finish to them; not real shiny and bright, but basically silver.
Howe: What was the diameter?
Kewper: About 18 or 20 feet. They were quite small.
Howe: Were you allowed to go over and touch them?
Kewper: No. We were on a walkway area and couldn't get down over to where the craft were actually sitting.
Howe: And how many others could you see?
Kewper: At least about seven, I think. There were some larger ones that were in the rear towards the end that we could see down there because they were probably 50 to 60 feet in
diameter.
Howe: Could you see any characteristics on these? Were any different from another?
Kewper: They were all disc-shaped, but some had larger bottom areas that extended down the same as the top, the top extending up. And they were in different colours. The larger ones in the rear were a real deep, real dark grey colour, and some of the other ones were lighter in colour, but maybe like a light- or medium-brown type of thing. The larger ones in the rear had real large top units and large bottom units to them and were
sitting on metal saw-horses to hold them up off the ground.
Howe: And did the colonel try to explain, or did he have knowledge or any understanding of the propulsion system of the extraterrestrial craft?
Kewper: That question was asked, and he mentioned it was electromagnetic/antigravitational-type engines. But some of the craft had other propulsion systems also, but he didn't go into great detail on other propulsions. Apparently it was like
antimatter propulsion on one of the units, something of that
nature.
And I saw they'd tried to reverse-engineer one craft, so part of it was taken apart. They were trying to figure out how it works, and he was explaining to us that there really was no physical motor in that thing. The entire disc was like an
electronic circuit, and the aliens had to be inside of this
disc to complete the electronic circuit to make it fly. The
Area 51 people knew that, because they had tried to make that
one fly. It was just like a battery electrical unit; it worked
with antigravitational/electromagnetic drive, but the whole
saucer itself was like the drive of the ship. It was all coated
with nickel inside and it was like a giant circuit, an electronic circuit. And it took the aliens to complete the circuit because they were tied right in with it: they had headbands they wore that had detectors on, and they had finger-type board control where they could fly the craft.
Howe: Those are the hand-imprinted, six-fingered control panels that were with that autopsy film?
Kewper: Yes.
Howe: And did you see the panels themselves actually there with the craft?
Kewper: Yes. They were there with the craft. They were trying to figure out the electronic circuitry because there was no wiring of any kind that they could see. But later on when they had it at Groom Lake, they had a couple of scientists there who used microscopes to check over the fingertip-control harnessing and found little fibres going out from it. They found out then that it was a fibre optic type of electrical transmission throughout the craft.
Howe: All done with light.
Kewper: Yes, it was light. The report I read originally said that when they looked inside the craft it was glowing with a real thin light inside from all the circuitry fibre optics. Reverse-engineering of that is apparently where we got fibre optics from.
Howe: What was the colonel saying to you about these discs in relationship to where you were going next?
Kewper: He just stated that these are some of the craft we have picked up and captured in different parts of the world. Apparently some of them were even brought in from overseas from some point or other, but I gathered that most were captured
within the US. He then mentioned that we were going back out to
the general office area and another smaller hangar area to see
the being, this extraterrestrial being, that they had there at
that time.
Howe: Try to walk us through what happened next.
Kewper: Okay. We went from the hangar area where the saucers were, out to a covered walkway area and into an office complex, I would call it, because it was a bunch of small rooms and offices. They had a special room for viewing that had one-way windows in itone-way mirrors, rather. We could look through the window into this small office, and the being that was in there was not able to see us through the mirror because there was a mirror on his side.
Howe: And what happened?
Kewper: They said we could go in and talk to this being, and at that time I chose not to go in. Years later, I wished I had, but I chose not to go in because they did tell us that the being spoke telepathically. The colonel had more terms added to it other than telepathically, but the being wouldn't speak in any manner that we could hear through our ears. So I chose to stay out, and the other four people did go in.
Howe: Your boss, the three other CIA guys and the Colonel Jim?
Kewper: Yes.
Howe: Now, can you describe the being exactly, from your watching this and listening?
Kewper: What the colonel called him was a "grey". He had the large head and bigger eyes, kind of slanted bigger eyes. He looked like he was wearing sunglasses because the lenses were real dark. He had kind of a slim face down to a peaked chin
with just a little nose area, a tiny slit of a mouth and just
holes in the side of his head for ear openings.
Howe: About how tall?
Kewper: About five feet, something like that.
Howe: What was the surface of the skin like in colour and texture?
Kewper: Yeah, it was greyish looking, but it looked fairly coarse, not like the smoothness of our skin.
Howe: Now what happened between your boss, the three CIA guys and Colonel Jim in that room communicating with the being?
Kewper: My boss did ask him, "What are you doing here? And why do you come here?" The only answer he got was, "We are not here to conquer the Earth. We are not here to destroy anything. We are here to add knowledge to humans so they can gain more knowledge in different areas."
He [the CIA boss] said it was probably like a 16- or 20-letter name where he was from, but he couldn't remember what the being said. After he came out and we left, I asked him and he said, "I don't remember what it was, but it was a real long name that he had given us as far as where he was from." He'd asked if it was a part of the galaxy or if that was his planet. He said the being answered back to him that it was part of a galaxy he was from. Not our galaxy, but a different galaxy.
Howe: A different galaxy?
Kewper: Yes.
Howe: When the being had "telepathed" to your boss that it wasn't here to hurt anything but to impart knowledge, how would they impart knowledge to us if they weren't making themselves public to the Earth in a straightforward way?
Kewper: I remember my boss mentioning that when he said that, he denoted the creature was stretching the truth or lying just by the tone of the answer, this type of thing; that he wasn't telling the truth altogether, you know.
Howe: Did your boss and the other men explain to you how the telepathic process went? What did they experience?
Kewper: They said they definitely weren't hearing a thing through their ears and that the voice they heard more or less was right in the mind itself. They could put their fingers in their ears and they would still hear the being. One tried that; he plugged both ears to see if he could still hear the being, and he could.
Howe: Oh, you could see through the glass that one of the men actually put his fingers in his ears?
Kewper: Yes, to see if he was actually hearing the being, and he wasn't, but he just heard what the being said right in his mind.
Howe: What was the sound of the being in his mind?
Kewper: He said the voice almost sounded like an electronically reproduced voice. And now, of course, we have computers that can talk to us and answer the phone with a computer voice. Back in those days, that type of thing was just beginning with computers. He said it didn't sound like a human voice: it sounded like an electronic voice.
Howe: Neither male nor female?
Kewper: Neither one, sort of in between.
Howe: Why would the concept of a telepathic-communication being bother you?
Kewper: Well, naturally, it's something I'd never run across before; that would be a certain amount of bother, you know.
Howe: Did you ever learn in your work for the CIA what the relationship was between the six-fingered beings and the grey being?
Kewper: Nope, never did.
Howe: Did someone explain why this being was even being kept there?
Kewper: No. They wouldn't tell us why he was kept there, how long he had been there or anything like that. I think one of the answers was, "We can't talk about that." I believe that was the main answer.
Howe: And who at Area 51 seemed to be in control of this being? Which agency?
Kewper: It was the Air Force, actually. The Air Force colonel is the one we talked to.
Howe: Did this colonel or anybody explain to you what their perception was of this grey being from the standpoint of whether there was any kind of a threat?
Kewper: No, they didn't really consider it like a big threat, but there was always this: "We don't know for sure, but we don't think they are going to be harmful to us, but we don't really know for sure. We can't say for sure that they are not trying to invade, or checking us all out and checking out our
military." Because even at that time, the saucer sightings were
always around classified areas and any military bases, that
type of thing. So it looked almost like they were scouting, you
know.
Howe: By the time you left the Army Signal Corps and CIA in 1960, did you have any further briefings about the beings, and were they referred to as "extraterrestrials"?
Kewper: Yes, they were referred to as "extraterrestrials". Most of the time they referred to the one out there as a "grey".
Howe: The one at Area 51?
Kewper: Yes. They just referred to it as a "grey".
Howe: Did they have any live six-fingered humanoids anywhere?
Kewper: No, not that I know of. That was one of the questions I asked the military man on the way in thereif this was the same kind of being. He'd mentioned they had a being that we were going to look at, and I asked if it was the same being as
Roswell. He said no. And I asked if they had any beings like at
Roswell, and he said no.
Howe: And Roswellfrom your point of view in 1957 when you were shown the six-fingered humanoid film, did it identify in the introduction where exactly the six-fingered humanoids had been retrieved from?
Kewper: They just said "near Roswell".
Howe: But they didn't specify?
Kewper: No, no. They didn't specify if that was the craft they had captured near Roswell; they didn't specify that. They just said "near Roswell", and I understand they had two or three craft they had picked up there that same summer of 1947.
Howe: Did anyone talk about the weather balloon story as being deliberately floated to obscure...?
Kewper: Yes, they did, and they said it was a cover story. The weather balloon was a cover story.
Howe: To cover up the fact that extraterrestrials and craft were retrieved.
Kewper: Yes. And I asked them why they covered this up. This was 10 years later...
Howe: In 1957?
Kewper: Right, in 1958 [while visiting Area 51]. I asked him [Colonel Jim], "Why do you continue to cover this up?" Well, he said it was covered originally because the Cold War was just starting and somebody up in the governmentI'm sure it was
probably President Trumanhad requested a tight cover on this
because with the Cold War starting and now having aliens flying
around, he thought it would be too much for the American public
all at once. But it was perpetuated, and even to this day they
are still covering it with balloon stories.
Howe: Now it is 1998. This is 40 years after you first saw the 16-mm black and white film of the six-fingered humanoid dissection, and there still appears to be a policy of silence and denial about this extraterrestrial interaction. Why do you think the government has not told the United States and the world what they know?
Kewper: You would think they would have by now. But I know that at the same time through the Cold War era back in the 1950sI was involved with itthe CIA in a lot of cases in regards to these unidentified flying objects did contact and work with
even the Russians during that time of the Cold War to see what
they had, because the Russians had contacted us in regards to
UFOs as they had UFO sightings also. They contacted us because
they thought it might be some kind of advanced flying craft
that we had, and they were calling us to warn us to keep them
out of their area because they thought they were our craft. We
told them they were not ours.
Howe: If Russia and the United States were secretly trying to talk with each other about an extraterrestrial presence, did you ever have any further information over the last 40 years about what our government's understanding of the agenda or intent of these beings is by now?
Kewper: I know that we have worked together with Russia on this, especially since the Gorbachev thing and we became more friendly; and that Russia is involved with particle beam weapons, too, from satellite and from ground. We had actually given them the particle beam weapon to be able to shoot down any of the saucer craft.
Howe: But why would we try to shoot down craft if we perceived these beings to be benevolent?
Kewper: Well, it could be something that happened since that time. I believe it would have happened over the [former] Soviet Union because I know they had a big craft go over that was almost like a mother ship, and they tried to shoot it down but the thing just shot all the aircraft that they had pursuing it, right out of the air in just a few seconds, with whatever lasers or whatever they [alien craft] haddeath rays, something like that.
Howe: What is the source of your information on this?
Kewper: This is through my friend, through my boss's son. When he talked to me in 1993 he mentioned that they'd had an ugly incident there where the aliens had actually attacked some type of a military base from where they had sent the planes up to attack [the mother ship].
Howe: Did you ever learn what type of being was in that craft?
Kewper: No, I didn't. Nobody did. It was a flyover-type thing and nothing landed, so no one would know what was actually in there. But I know the big craft contained many small saucer craft; it was almost like an aircraft carrier, like we would have with airplanes on it.
Howe: So, in summary, you went from 1957 to 1960 seeing these highly classified reports about extraterrestrial beings, technology and craft. You actually saw 16-mm black and white autopsy/dissection film of the six-fingered humanoid when you were in the CIA. You actually went to Nevada, to Nellis AFB and Area 51, where you personally saw at least seven different
craft and the live being that was described as a "grey" with
large black eyes and was different from the six-fingered humanoid. And yet, when you left the Army Signal Corps and CIA
work in 1960, there was still no understanding about the
relationship between those beings or why they were there.
Kewper: Yes, that's right; one- hundred-per-cent right. At that time there was a question mark, a big question mark as to why they were here. In some casesapparently some of the US sightingsthey were tremendously friendly.
Howe: Were friendly?
Kewper: Yes, were friendly. And, of course, there were all the abduction things that came out later. There weren't any in that original Blue Book file that I had seen at that time in Blue Book. I know there were quite a few later that said they were abducted.
Howe: And did you ever see any references to animal mutilations or unusual deaths?
Kewper: Yes. At that time we had it out in Colorado, I think. I saw some of those. Different parts of the animal were taken like samplesthe stomachs in some, sex organs in othersand [the animals were] apparently mutilated with a laser weapon of some kind that left very precise cutting edges.
Howe: Did you read about any such cases in that 1957 to 1960 time period?
Kewper: Yes, especially from Colorado.
Howe: Even back then?
Kewper: Yes.
Howe: And was there speculation on the part of the Central Intelligence Agency or the military about the relationship between these unusual animal deaths and the extraterrestrials?
Kewper: Yes. The only thought at that time, if I remember correctly, is that they [extraterrestrials] were taking samples of these various animals on the Earth just to see more or less what their different functions were...
Howe: Do you think that this story should be told in its entirety today?
Kewper: Yes, I think it should. I think it would be helpful in explaining it, first of all. We still have a lot of sightings to this day and age.
Howe: And this is why you're talking to me?
Kewper: Yes.
EPILOGUE:
After this audiotaped interview was broadcast on the North American syndicated radio programs Dreamland and Coast To Coast AM Hosted by Art Bell, I learned from Kewper that he'd
contacted a phone company executive in his city to inquire about the source of the anonymous call to him on May 25. He was told that the source was the Wackenhut Corporationa security operation that works for the National Reconnaissance Office and other sensitive military and intelligence agencies in the United States.
More than 50 years after the 1947 Roswell incident, a major question is: What do the United States, England, Australia other American ally government insidersand, according to Kewper, even Russiaknow which sustains the Orwellian policy of
silence and denial in which lies are ordered to become official
truth?...as written so strongly in SOM1-01, the Majestic 12 Group Special Operations Manual of April 1954:
Any encounter with entities known to be of extraterrestrial origin is to be considered to be a matter of national security and therefore classified TOP SECRET. Under no circumstance is the general public or the public press to learn of the existence of these entities. The official government policy is that such creatures do not exist, and that no agency of the federal government is now engaged in any study of
extraterrestrials or their artifacts. Any deviation from this
stated policy is absolutely forbidden.
What will it take to change this policy instigated by US President Harry S. Truman's Executive Order in 1947? What
military-industrial-complex interests are so vested in perpetuating the suppression, and why? It seems a right of the
entire global human family to know that we are not alone in this universe, and that extraterrestrial biological entities and other-dimensional entities have been interacting with this planet for aeons, affecting our biological, social and religious evolutions. But why?
Note: If any readers have more information, please fax Linda Moulton Howe in the USA on (215) 491 9842, or write to her as per details on the first page of this article.
About the Author:
Linda Moulton Howe is a graduate of Stanford University, USA, and has a Masters Degree in Communication. She is a science and environmental reporter for radio and television. Her film documentaries, A Strange Harvest and Strange Harvests 1993, explored the worldwide animal mutilations phenomenon. Her books include An Alien Harvest, Glimpses of Other Realities Volume I: Facts & Eyewitnesses, and, most recently, Glimpses of Other Realities&endashVolume II: High Strangeness (Paper Chase Press, USA, phone (702) 826 5947; see review this issue).
Ms Howe's investigations have taken in such diverse subjects as crop circles, the chupacabras mystery, humanity's hidden history, and the evidence for UFOs and ETs, including research into the alleged Roswell UFO crash fragments and government knowledge and cover-up of non-human intelligences interacting with our planet.