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During the campaign, Obama told a story about his "uncle," Charles Payne's, WW II experiences to burnish his all-American upbringing.  But Obama made a gaffe when he said his great uncle liberated Auschwitz.  Well, Russian troops liberated Auschwitz, so the story changed that Payne was part of the force that liberated Ohrdruf, a subcamp of the Buchenwald concentration camp, in April 1945.

Well, is this story a gaffe, or a lie, on top of a lie, on top of a lie.

Records show that a Payne, C. T. served as a private with Company K, 355th Infantry Regiment, 89th Infantry Division, during World War II.  According to records, the C.T. Payne listed on the roster of the 89th Infantry Division, may NOT be a relative of Obama.

Genealogy records show that Obama's grandmother Madelyn only had one brother, Charles W., and a sister Arlene.  Charles W. was born to Rolla Charles Payne and Leona McCurry (nee) in 1924.

Not only that, It seems that "Uncle Charles" was in the Navy.  Payne, Charles W., enlisted in the US Navy on November 10, 1942, at Board #4, Kansas City, Wyandotte County, Kansas.  His US Navy serial number was 6293977.

There was a Charles T. Payne in the family.  He was Obama's great great grandfather.  He joined the military just after Pearl Harbor amid the fear and confusion on a "60 and over" enlistment that was meant to be defense at home.  However, he also joined the US Navy.  Payne, Charles T., enlisted on December 13, 1942, also at Board #4, Kansas City, Wyandotte County, Kansas.  His US Navy serial number was 3427439.

Charles T. Payne was born in 1861.  He would have been 81 years old, and totally unacceptable for active duty in the infantry -- he is not the C.T. Payne of the 89th.

Is anything about this guy on the level?

Note:  The information at Ancestry.com has been challenged and is under review.  Until validated, this item should be treated as questionable.

See next item . . .
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Mystery
The previous item may have incorrect information from Ancestry.com. They have been contacted for verification, but there are still other questions hanging.  Records do not show either Charles T. Payne, or Charles W. Payne of Kansas serving in the US Army, only the US Navy.  The above report must remain "unconfirmed," for now.

World War II Kansas Selective Service Index
Search for Kansas Soldiers that served during World War II.

This database contains more than 227,000 entries of male and female Kansas veterans of the armed forces who served between September 16, 1940 and June 30, 1946.  This data comes directly from Adjutant General Selective Service Board lists.  The information in this database was input by KSHS volunteers and staff and includes the name of the veteran, the county from which s/he served, branch of service, whether enlisted or inducted (drafted) and date, the service/serial number, order number if "registered", and sometimes additional data such as deceased or discharge data.

A seach of this database shows that the only Charles W., or Charles T. Payne, from Kansas, were in the US Navy.

5 results found.
Name Service Number Registration Place Comments
 
Payne, Charles H. Enlisted 17 January 1942, Navy 3007534 Unregistered Hoxie Sheridan Co. (Board # 1)
Payne, Charles L. Inducted 22 November 1943, Navy 8671474 Registered, order # 11695 Eldorado Butler Co. (Board # 1)
Payne, Charles T. Enlisted 13 December 1942, Navy 3427439 Unregistered Kansas City Wyandotte Co. (Board # 4)
Payne, Charles W. Enlisted , Navy 6287657 Registered, order # 11111 Hutchinson Reno Co. (Board # 3)
Payne, Charles W. Enlisted 10 November 1942, Navy 6293977 Registered, order # 12017 Kansas City Wyandotte Co. (Board # 4)

Source: Adjutant General Armed Forces Personnel Who Served between September 16, 1940, and June 30, 1946.

A search of the Kansas Army records shows no Charles W., or Charles T. Payne from Kansas were in the US Army.:

4 results found.
Name Service Number Registration Place Comments
 
Payne, Charles A. Inducted 11 April 1942, Army 37255144 Registered, order # 2043 Lyons Rice Co. (Board # 1)
Payne, Charles E. Inducted 9 June 1943, Army 37531353 Registered, order # V11125 Augusta Butler Co. (Board # 2)
Payne, Charles J. Inducted 12 September 1942, Army 37223827 Registered, order # 11191 Wichita Sedgwick Co. (Board # 3)
Payne, Charles L. Enlisted 1 October 1942, Army 0498672 Registered, order # U-894 Fort Scott Bourbon Co. (Board # 1)

Source: Adjutant General Armed Forces Personnel Who Served between September 16, 1940, and June 30, 1946.

Here is another source that comments on this matter.

Now, if there is an error, it appears that it may be an incorrect middle initial at ancestry.com which is cross-checked to the 1930 Census:

Father: Charles T. Payne b: JUN 1861 in Missouri
Mother: Della Wolfley b: MAY 1863 in Ohio

Marriage 1 Leona McCurry b: 4 MAY 1897 in Peru, Kansas
Married: 28 DEC 1921 in Kansas
Children
Madelyn Lee Payne b: ABT 1922 in Wichita, Sedgwick, Kansas
Charles W. Payne b: ABT 1924 in Kansas
Arlene Payne b: ABT 1926 in Kansas

However, the Census data only identifies Charles Payne without a middle initial.

This ABC News report says Obama's great uncle Charles T. Payne had enlisted in 1943 along with most of his high school graduating class.  He served in a mortar squad, then a communications squad rigging telephone lines.

Stay tuned.
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Bogus
Yesterday's Latest News featured a report about Obama's "uncle," Charles Payne's, WW II experiences.  The report is most probably in error.

This item discusses the sources of the confusion, that appear to be erroneous data in several archival databases.

I checked my Obama's Family page and Madelyn Dunham was raised in Augusta, Kansas.

There’s an ABC News report that says Charles T. enlisted in 1943, with most of his graduating class.

There is an entry in the World War II Kansas Selective Service Index for the US Army for a Charles E. Payne, Augusta, Kansas, dated June 1943.

It is reasonable to assume that Charles E. Payne should be Charles T. Payne, and is an entry made in error.

That doesn’t explain the discrepancy in the ancestry.com records, identifying Madelyn Dunham's brother as Charles W. Payne.  I am still waiting for a return email from them.

The website "Sweetness & Light," a normally reliable source, has a report entitled "89th Division Site 'Confirms' Obama’s Story."  A statement below the article heading says "S&L had it first!" 

At the bottom of the page is this comment -- "This article was posted by Steve Gilbert on Wednesday, May 28th, 2008 at 11:13 am"

S&L appears to be the source of this report, but I wouldn't be critical of them.  If Obama would make public the facts of his life, these kinds of reports and The Obama File would not exist.  There would be no reason for them.
 

Remember, Obama has lived for almost 50 years without leaving any footprints -- none!  There is no Obama documentation -- no bona fides -- no paper trail -- nothing.

 

Original, vault copy birth certificate -- Not released -- Lawyers fees -- greater than $1,000,000 -- birth certificate -- $15.
Certification of Live Birth -- Released -- Counterfeit
Obama/Dunham marriage license -- Not released

Obama/Dunham divorce -- Released (by independent investigators)

Kindergarten records -- Records lost (this is a big one -- see here -- read two frames)
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license -- Not released
Soetoro adoption records -- Not released

Fransiskus Assisi School  School application -- Released (by independent investigators)
Punahou School records -- Not released
Soetoro/Dunham divorce -- Released (by independent investigators)

Selective Service Registration -- Released -- Counterfeit
Occidental College records -- Not released
Passport -- Not released and records scrubbed clean by Obama's terrorism and intelligence adviser.
Columbia College records -- Not released
Columbia thesis -- "Soviet Nuclear Disarmament" -- Not released
Harvard College records -- Not released
Harvard Law Review articles -- None

Illinois Bar Records -- Not released.
Baptism certificate -- None
Medical records -- Not released
Illinois State Senate records -- None
Illinois State Senate schedule -- Lost
Law practice client list -- Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles -- None

 

Obama is personally responsible for every single fishing expedition on the Internet, and if he wants all these investigations to end, all he has to do is release his personal documents and records.  The American People have a RIGHT to know who the man occupying the Oval Office is.

 

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