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Subject: Re: [TSCM-L] {5067} DUBAI AIRPORT SECURITY
From: Adam Stenseth <ly..._at_u.washington.edu>
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Heart rates vary by individual. What constitutes an 'elevated' heart rate
for one person is perfectly normal for another. Sans establishing an
individual's baseline, you can't determine if it's elevated.
Beyond that, it's useless as a 'guilt diagnostic' anyway. There are a
litany of reasons someone's heart rate might be elevated, particularly when
engaged in international travel. Even polygraphers, in their arrangement
of systematic quackery, dare not suggest that pulse alone would be a useful
indicator.
I also don't know of any existing technology that could do this. That
doesn't mean one doesn't exist, but I have a hard time imagining a 'scanner'
sort of no-contact system. At range, you'd have to do something along the
lines of detecting the electrical deltas of the cardiovascular system, and
then discriminating them from all the background signals in the
environment. No mean feat in an airport.
All in all, smells like the magic-wand 'bomb detectors' charlatans sold by
the thousands in afghanistan, and I would imagine works about as well.
-a
On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Markella Liberto <horiz..._at_yahoo.com>wrote:
> It is known in law enforcement that if when given a lie detector test the
> subject ingests opiates, a falsified reading is obtained. I would imagine
> that terrorist organizations would have access to these types of drugs,
> therefore allowing them to pass through security without drawing attention
> to themselves.
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* "andyg..._at_aol.com" <andyg..._at_aol.com>
> *To:* TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Fri, September 3, 2010 11:27:41 PM
> *Subject:* [TSCM-L] {5062} DUBAI AIRPORT SECURITY
>
> DUBAI INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT IS KNOWN TO HAVE STATE-OF-THE-ART
> ANTI-SMUGGLING TECHNOLIGIES. A FRIEND OF MINE WHO TRAVELS THERE ON BUSINESS
> SAYS THEY HAVE SOME SORT OF SCANNER THAT CAN TELL IF YOU HAVE AN ELEVATED
> HEART RATE (AS IF ONE IS NERVOUS OR GUILTY).
>
> I THEN THOUGHT ABOUT THE ASSASSINATION OF THE HAMAS COMMANDER BY OVER TEN
> MOSSAD AGENTS AND THE ASSASSINATION OF THE CHECHEN GENERAL BY FSB AGENTS.
>
> MY QUESTION IS: HOW CAN SO MANY OF THESE OPERATIVES COME THRU DUBAI
> INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT AND WALK THROUGH THESE "HEART RATE SCANNERS" AND NOT
> EVEN BE QUESTIONED BY CUSTOMS?
>
> IS IT POSSIBLE THEY TOOK SOMETHING TO KEEP THEIR HEART RATES LOW ENOUGH TO
> GET THROUGH?
>
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Heart rates vary by individual.=A0=A0 What constitutes an 'elevated'=
; heart rate for one person is perfectly normal for another.=A0=A0=A0 Sans =
establishing an individual's baseline, you can't determine if it=
9;s elevated.=A0=A0=A0=A0 <br>
<br>Beyond that, it's useless as a 'guilt diagnostic' anyway.=
=A0=A0=A0 There are a litany of reasons someone's heart rate might be e=
levated, particularly when engaged in international travel.=A0=A0=A0 Even p=
olygraphers, in their arrangement of systematic quackery, dare not suggest =
that pulse alone would be a useful indicator. =A0=A0 <br>
<br>I also don't know of any existing technology that could do this. =
=A0 =A0 That doesn't mean one doesn't exist, but I have a hard time=
imagining a 'scanner' sort of no-contact system.=A0=A0 At range, y=
ou'd have to do something along the lines of detecting the electrical d=
eltas of the cardiovascular system, and then discriminating them from all t=
he background signals in the environment.=A0=A0 No mean feat in an airport.=
=A0=A0=A0 <br>
<br>All in all, smells like the magic-wand 'bomb detectors' charlat=
ans sold by the thousands in afghanistan, and I would imagine works about a=
s well.<br><br>-a<br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 6, 2010=
at 3:00 PM, Markella Liberto <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:horiz=
..._at_yahoo.com">horiz..._at_yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div style=
=3D"font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><d=
iv>It is known in law enforcement that if when given a lie detector test th=
e subject ingests opiates, a falsified reading is obtained. I would imagine=
that terrorist organizations would have access to these types of drugs, th=
erefore allowing them to pass through security without drawing attention to=
themselves.<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size:=
12pt;"><br>
<div style=3D"font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size:=
12pt;"><font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2">
<hr size=3D"1">
<b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> "<a href=3D"mai=
lto:andyg..._at_aol.com" target=3D"_blank">andyg..._at_aol.com</a>" <<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:andyg..._at_aol.com" target=3D"_blank">andyg..._at_aol.com</a>><=
br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> <a href=3D"mailto:TSCM=
-..._at_googlegroups.com" target=3D"_blank">TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com</a><br><=
b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Fri, September 3, 201=
0 11:27:41 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [TSCM-L] {5062} D=
UBAI AIRPORT SECURITY<br></font><br><font face=3D"arial" size=3D"2" color=
=3D"black">
<div style=3D"clear: both;">DUBAI INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT IS KNOWN TO HAVE ST=
ATE-OF-THE-ART ANTI-SMUGGLING TECHNOLIGIES. A FRIEND OF MINE WHO TRAVELS TH=
ERE ON BUSINESS SAYS THEY HAVE SOME SORT OF SCANNER THAT CAN TELL IF YOU HA=
VE AN ELEVATED HEART RATE (AS IF ONE IS NERVOUS OR GUILTY).</div>
<div style=3D"clear: both;">=A0</div>
<div style=3D"clear: both;">I THEN THOUGHT ABOUT THE ASSASSINATION OF THE H=
AMAS=A0COMMANDER BY OVER TEN MOSSAD AGENTS=A0AND THE ASSASSINATION OF THE C=
HECHEN GENERAL BY FSB AGENTS. </div>
<div style=3D"clear: both;">=A0</div>
<div style=3D"clear: both;">MY QUESTION IS: HOW CAN SO MANY OF THESE OPERAT=
IVES COME THRU DUBAI INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT AND WALK THROUGH THESE "HEA=
RT RATE SCANNERS" AND NOT EVEN BE=A0QUESTIONED BY CUSTOMS?</div>
<div style=3D"clear: both;">=A0</div>
<div style=3D"clear: both;">IS IT POSSIBLE THEY TOOK SOMETHING TO KEEP THEI=
R HEART RATES LOW ENOUGH TO GET THROUGH?</div></font>
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