U.S. Law requires that all TSCM equipment be considered military
electronics, and any by law all REI gear exports must be given U.S.
State Department approval for export, or the export in illegal.
It does not matter how much, how often, or to whom the goods are
shipped, they still have to get permission for the export.
If you come to the United States for TSCM training, you have to get a
license.
Just getting a VISA for the training is part of the problem, you still
have to get a license for the U.S. Government.
-jma
Humberto Sodre wrote:
Well, when I went to your
country for training in REI,
by asking the business VISA at the
U.S. embassy, I told them where I was g=
oing,
what I would do and no one gave me
any restriction, including Customs
staff in Miami, who also
knew where I was going.
But there is an information that doe=
s
not match what you're saying:
only this year, 2011, REI
has exported various TSCM eq=
uipment
to government agencies of several countries
and it was done legally. The only
equipment that has prohibited export=
s
to countries not belonging to NATO
is the OSCOR BLUE, but <=
span>the
OSCOR GREEN is already being
exported and I've done its training.
In addition, consider the following: in
face face of World crisis, all cou=
ntries
need to export more and would be
bad for the american companies the U.S. government
to impose export restrictions.
You sad these gear is considred by international
law to be illegal goods? Admit: in the case of
TSCM equipment, you know that
if you do not export, if you do not
promote training courses, ot=
her companies
from England, Israel and Canada for exa=
mple,
will take your market!
In fact, a British
company called Winkelmann is
now also selling the RAPTOR and
it is the next equipment that I will
operate. Think about it!
Humberto.
2011/12/23 James M. Atkinson
<jm...@tscm.com>
Actually, ALL REI exports
required U.S. Government licenses, REI just
was not getting the proper licenses, so if you ae outside of the United
States and you possess REI gear the gear is considred by international
law to be illegal goods.
Also, if you came to the United States for TSCM training, and you get
not get a proper U.S. State Department license to attend the training,
you could have some unfortunate problems, and a lot of people are now
starting to realize that they are in a world of trouble because these
licenses were not being obtained as they should have been.
-jma
Humberto Sodre wrote:
James,
I am following this issue
on
the site, but as English is
not my mother tongue, I
do not know =
if
I
understood it
well. But
I work with =
TSCM
since 2001, I attended 3 =
TSCM
training
courses on REI in 2005/2006
and I have seen that company
exporting OSCOR, ORION, TALAN
and other products to Europe,
Latin
America, Middle East and Asia without
any
restriction of USA Government.
Best regards,
Humberto Rigotti - Brazil
2011/12/23 Thomas Shaddack
<tsc...@shaddack.maurice=
ward.com>
> Just a reminder, that some countries have a mandatory death
penalty for
> smuggled arms.
Which ones? Do the "smuggling" apply only to goods crossing their own
borders, or is the entire history of the object considered? Do they
require proof of guilt or proof of innocence?
Also, what kind of arms is it related to? The legal definitions can be
widely varied, and everything can be considered a weapon in certain
contexts.
> TSCM gear is by international treaty "Military Arms"
Is it designated as such in the language of the treaty only, or is the
definition shared by the legislation of the countries involved? Are the
above-mentioned death-penalty states signatories of this particular
treaty?
> Hence, if you get caught with it in come countries and you did not
acquire it
> though proper means, it will be deemed "smuggled arms" and you
could legally
> be put to death.
What kind of proof of acquisition is required? Given how easy it is to
wipe a paper trail of a fairly common object (e.g. a lab-grade
spectrometer or receiver or amplifier) and reinstate a new one, and the
inherent dual-useness of the equipment, isn't it a bit nonsensical to
require this for electronics? How to ensure a honest EMC tech traveling
with his gear to investigate a noise issue in a newly opened factory is
not caught in the dragnet?
In case of training, how can a given state prove that a person got a
TSCM
training (if it is also considered a weapon - and if it is, are martial
arts)? A stamp in a passport proves a travel to the US, but does not
make
a difference between a shopping trip and a training, and a training
given
by a person traveling out of the USA does not leave any paper trace.
Where
is the difference between a legitimate knowledge and a weapon, and how
can
a customs drone recognize it?
> So like I said, according the the published report in the Federal
Register,
> made by the U.S. State Department, there were ZERO legal exports
of TSCM gear.
>
> Which means, that if you got TSCM gear from the United States, it
was not a
> legal transaction, and you could be at risk of death.
Again, in what countries?
Are there documented cases anything like this happened anywhere in the
world? What is the real magnitude of the risk, compared with other more
common risks (a conventional murder, or being put in jail in Saudi
Arabia
for a 3-milligram speck of marijuana on one's shoe sole, or a car crash
on
the way from the airport to the customer...)?
What countries carry what risk for traveling with advanced electronics?
Is
there a list?
> -jma
>
>
> James M. Atkinson wrote:
> > According this this published report, there has been exactly
ZERO legal
> > exports of TSCM equipment out of the United States in the
past six month...
> > ZERO.
> >
> > So, if you have TSCM gear and it came from the United States
in the past six
> > months, then you have been sold good illegally, and the
sweep gear was not
> > lawfully purchased, and indeed are considered by law to be
"smuggled arms"
> > which as you know carries a mandatory death penalty in some
countries.
> >
> > If you carefully look over the Shipper Export Declaration, in
box 27 there
> > has to be a U.S. State Department issues export license
number, or the
> > export is a criminal act on the part of the exporter.
> >
> > According to this published report there were exactly zero
legal TSCM
> > exports in the last six months... and zero the period before
that, and so
> > on.
> >
> > As you might expect TSCM gear is still getting exported, but
it is being
> > smuggled into and out of the United States in considerable
quantities.
> >
> > Zero, legal TSCM gear exports... zero...
> >
> > -jma
> >
> > --
> > James M. Atkinson
> > President and Sr. Engineer
> > "Leonardo da Vinci of Bug Sweeps and Spy Hunting"
> > http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=15178662
> > Granite Island Group
> > jm...@tscm.com
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> > (978) 546-3803
> >
>
> --
> James M. Atkinson
> President and Sr. Engineer
> "Leonardo da Vinci of Bug Sweeps and Spy Hunting"
> =
http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=15178662
> Granite Island Group
> jm...@tscm.com
> http://www.tscm.com/
> (978) 546-3803
>
>
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President and Sr. Engineer
"Leonardo da Vinci of Bug Sweeps and Spy Hunting"
http:/=
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Granite Island Group
jm...@tscm.com
http://www.tscm.com/
(978) 546-3803
--
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President and Sr. Engineer
"Leonardo da Vinci of Bug Sweeps and Spy Hunting"
http:/=
/www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=15178662
Granite Island Group
jm...@tscm.com
http://www.tscm.com/
(978) 546-3803