Re: [TSCM-L] Re: [OT] malinois certification/trainning

From: Paul Young <plays..._at_yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:08:07 -0800 (PST)

I thought that I signed up for this group at yahoo, but don't see it there now.  Is there a way to get these messages in a daily digest format?

Thanks

Paul

moore5588 <moo..._at_bellsouth.net> wrote:

See http://www.malinois.com/otvitosha/ Ivan Balabanov's site.
Incredible dogs. At Lackland the Air Force started a breeding program to
produce their own Mal's a few years back, led by Dr. Stewart Hilliard, which
started with a litter from Amok ot Vitosha (Jeckyl) and Brawny Bombadier ot
Vitosha (Bomber) as well as a litter of Mals are from Northrhine-Westfalia's
program.

On the west cost you can also check with Kathy O'Brien (who owns
bomber) (http://www.freedo.com/obreons/bomber_titles.htm) to see what she
has available...

See http://www.majestyenterprises.com/k-9.htm George was Kennel
Master at Fort Benning during the Vietnam era. Ivan Balabanov and Karen
Duet co-authored Advanced Schutzhund, a great book. George also wrote a
great book "The Business Security K-9" both of which I highly recommend.

See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/KNPVAmerica/ for KNPV info.

See also Guy Powell's site
http://www.sevenpineskennel.com/our_facility_&_us.htm - he was a Vietnam dog
handler assigned to SOG also.

Have a look at http://www.uspcak9.com/html/home.shtml (United States
Police Canine Assoc.).

And also try http://www.tarheelcanine.com/ also, some good dogs.

By the way, KNPV dogs are held to a *much* higher standard that
Schutzhund dogs during trial. For example, the decoy (person that takes the
bite) will give the dog an 'out' (let go) command - if your dog lets go of
the bad guy then you are rightfully penalized. In Schutzhund, this type of
trickery from the decoy is strictly forbidden. Schutzhund is more of a
'show' and KNPV is more of a 'go' - this is not to say Schutzhund dogs are
inadequate, because I have seen plenty of Schutzhund dogs that would not be
so easily fooled, simply just that there are less rigorous requirements to a
Schutzhund title!

That should get you started, good luck!


Jeff


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Subject: [TSCM-L] [OT] malinois certification/trainning


hi2all

This mail only make sense to people who deal with security dogs, specially
police forces.
I saw yesterday on CNN or SKY News, some news related to a trial where there

was some police special forces with what seems to be malinois dogs.

First question is if in US malinois are used, and the other is what
standards/certifications are used, that can be compared with (I hope some of

you know this ...) the KPNV PH1 (dutch police) or "Schutzhund" (german
police), and where can I find info about those US standards.

Answers can be off the list. Thanks
FM



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