From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Feb 29 13:39:23 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id NAA18092 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 13:38:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA18037 for ; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 13:38:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from s3c2p0.aa.net (s3c2p0.aa.net [204.157.220.148]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA14306 for ; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 13:38:20 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199602292138.NAA14306@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 01 Mar 1996 13:37:46 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: Michael Mandeville Subject: fnrg: Re: ...across ones brain: Biostimulator Specs Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: To repost this thread summary: > > >Interested? What is necessary is a low cost generator of the proper > >outputs, which I can specify precisely. I have not experimented much > >with this stuff in recent years as I have developed certain > >meditational pathways. However, mental skills are not alone > >sufficient to deal with the load of suffering in today's humanity. > >Perhaps there is an interest in a shareware design for a LOW COST emf > >oscillator of the proper outputs. I am sick to death of the jerks > >who package $50 worth of electronics into black boxes which they > >market for $2000. > > > >Any electronics people out there willing to cooperate in the > >specification of a shareware design? If so, I'll define an output > >table based on my knowledge of what is being done with medical > >electronics and various medical research projects. > > You bet! > > I'm quite interested in TENS, CES, and other entrainment technologies. > > I would really like to know the electrode placement, frequency and > duty cycles used to stimulate the pineal, as well as other locations > you may have had experience with. > > I'd be glad to CAD up schematics, etc. (I'm a registered Protel > Schematic 3 user) and produce laser printed copies for interested > persons. > > I agree with the sentiments expressed, one popular $300 entrainment > device is nothing more than a 555 timer chip and a few resistors and > capacitors. > > Picking it up from there, here are some initial specs. Conceive of this as an input/output device first we will create the output side the output side is a stereo-like output which can float above true ground, such that three channels can be used, one of which is true (chasis) ground; most likely most of the time, one of the other two channels will be grounded, but this should be optional. the core unit sits on one small card, but these cards can be ganged into a "backbone" type of connection scheme, such that the units can be ganged together, such that we can have, with multiple cards, 2, 4, 6, 8 etc outputs the first unit would be the master unit in the sense that its clock should synchronize all cards timingwise voltage output characteristics should range between 1 millivolt and 48 volts. generally, the voltage range from 24 to 48 will not be used by most experimenters, but it is good to have the capability to take all experiments into the extreme high side to establish what happens there. At these levels, the voltage can be felt, starting somewhere around 25 volts, depending upon the body. current output should be in current limiting modality, from 1 milliamp generally up to preferably 100 milliamps, the closer to one amp the better, but there are a lot of trade-offs here I suppose, so it may be well to think in terms of the core unit up to as close to 100 milliamps as possible, then a second stage, which need not be there, which can drive up to one amp. generally, no more than 10 milliamps would be directly used, but there is a reason for the ability to easily integrate much higher power, as in driving feedback speakers, with an optional second stage. frequency output should provide very accurate adjustment ranging from 1/60 cps (i don't like hertz), that's one cycle per minute (integration with deep breathing excercises - about 40 seconds max) up to and here I am a little on the fuzzy side, but well up into the ultrasonic range, maybe even up to 1 megacycle. I know there are trade-offs here as well, but it is desirable to push the envelope. the rf range will be useful for those pursuing research into the various cancer treatments. the most expensive part of this device should be the precise level adjustments of volts, amps, frequency frequency does not have to be extremely well filtered in the sense that all harmonics are eliminated. It is probably desirable to have some harmonic loading. wave output should be primarily sinosoidal. Various research has used staircases, sawtooths, and square. I'm not sure why, maybe it is because that is what their boxes produced. All right, that is the core essence. Nobody does a box that combines these output chararteristics. Precision, within 5 milli whatever, is necessary for each movement of the v-a adjustments. When working within the 1-10 millivolt range, most inportant to have accuracy within 1 milli of whatever. It must be easily tunable by pre-occupied minds. Good to put extra money here in convenient knobs, etc. I have been thinking a little bit about modulation, controlling the interval and pulse widths of sonic and rf energy. This is highly desirable but adds complexity and should be considered a tangent to the core at the moment. I have also been thinking about controlling the interval of a sawtooth or square wave. short or long ramps within an even longer period of intervals. This is also highly desirable. For callibration and meter monitoring, assume that something like a Fluke multimeter will do the measuring feedback. Why reinvent the wheel, and these are pretty affordable? We probably should hardwire in a current output meter, however, to keep failsafe attention focused on this most important variable. This should measure the actual current through the load. This type of generic generator board would be extremely useful for a large variety of experimental applications in a number of fields. need to hardwire in a suitable connector for running a ribbon to an AtoD board/converter for pc recording. you might want to consider hardwire for input from a pc DtoA board. This at this point may be just a confusing level of sophistication which gets in the way of a good generic lowcost generator, so let us not make this a requirement. Is there an easy chip solution here? Or does this get us into a whole different category of design? Does anybody have a product spec for electrodes? This is enough to start thinking about. ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Mar 2 09:30:12 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id VAA08156 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 21:14:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from ppp2.internetwis.com (root@cts1.internetwis.com [206.230.215.10]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA08118 for ; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 21:14:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from LOCALNAME (ctspppnet13.internetwis.com [206.230.215.63]) by ppp2.internetwis.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA07792 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 00:01:15 -0600 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 00:01:15 -0600 Message-Id: <199603010601.AAA07792@ppp2.internetwis.com> X-Sender: mmoran@cts1.internetwis.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: mmoran@cts1.internetwis.com (Michael Moran) Subject: Re: fnrg: RE: NETIZENS ALERT AND JAVA Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Well, I obtained a little satisfaction. They, the Money Page, turned off >the Java Script. They aren't talking to me yet though. > >So at this point I have decided not to flame them directly. They are acting >responsibly. It's a nice site with many good references. I still intend to >collect for lost time, though. > >This issue of JAVA is only beginning to be joined. Prophecy: eventually >you too are going to get your butt bit by a Java Jive artist. I think this >story, minus the actual site, needs to be written and circulated in the Net. >I am going to create a special web page about this and inform you of its url. > >Sorry Vortex and Free Energy Lists, this is way off your topics. I just had >to communicate this issue and this one will affect you all. Although this >was an accident due to an arrogant intrusion with buggy software, others >will come along with genuine intent to commit a cyber-mugging, whether for >personal information about your computer and your computing habit, or your >software choices, or just for the hell of it, or searching for passwords, >etc. The JAVA concept is the point of entry for this type of mischief, >which is designed to enable small time software programmers to easily create >and incorporate all kinds of batch executables through the Netscape >interface to run on your system. There is only one thing we can tell these >people: NOT ON MY COMPUTER. > >Naturally, they will claim that Netscape/Java program does not provide >ability to function out of the Netscape parameters. But hey, once you are >on Internet with a session address, you too can be summoned through ftp from >a third party, such as might be initiated by a JAVA call...I just will not >believe for a minute that they can prevent hackers and crackers from >creating all sorts of end runs...and biting you good. I can see the whole >generation of virus designers moving into this fertile new territory, well >in advance of anybody's thoughts of user security. > >Think long and hard about this, my friends. >____________________________________ >MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing >Michael Mandeville, publisher >mwm@aa.net >http://www.aa.net/~mwm > MICHAEL: I've been following this thread and related topics (in print and electronic media) on a very 'peripheral' basis, but some of the claims you seem to be making here have definitely caught my attention. Are you saying that people can write and post Java applets that can, if I click on them, dive into my machine and do what they will without my knowledge and permission??? If so, it would be an outrageous and despicable abuse. Can you provide details and methods by which anyone could independently verify your claims? From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Mar 2 09:20:35 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id VAA08171 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 21:14:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from ppp2.internetwis.com (root@cts1.internetwis.com [206.230.215.10]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA08120; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 21:14:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from LOCALNAME (ctspppnet13.internetwis.com [206.230.215.63]) by ppp2.internetwis.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA07794; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 00:01:17 -0600 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 00:01:17 -0600 Message-Id: <199603010601.AAA07794@ppp2.internetwis.com> X-Sender: mmoran@cts1.internetwis.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: phoenix@eskimo.com, ghawk@eskimo.com, palbank@eskimo.com, vortex-L@eskimo.com, freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: mmoran@cts1.internetwis.com (Michael Moran) Subject: fnrg: RE: NETIZENS ALERT AND JAVA Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Well, I obtained a little satisfaction. They, the Money Page, turned off the Java Script. They aren't talking to me yet though. So at this point I have decided not to flame them directly. They are acting responsibly. It's a nice site with many good references. I still intend to collect for lost time, though. This issue of JAVA is only beginning to be joined. Prophecy: eventually you too are going to get your butt bit by a Java Jive artist. I think this story, minus the actual site, needs to be written and circulated in the Net. I am going to create a special web page about this and inform you of its url. Sorry Vortex and Free Energy Lists, this is way off your topics. I just had to communicate this issue and this one will affect you all. Although this was an accident due to an arrogant intrusion with buggy software, others will come along with genuine intent to commit a cyber-mugging, whether for personal information about your computer and your computing habit, or your software choices, or just for the hell of it, or searching for passwords, etc. The JAVA concept is the point of entry for this type of mischief, which is designed to enable small time software programmers to easily create and incorporate all kinds of batch executables through the Netscape interface to run on your system. There is only one thing we can tell these people: NOT ON MY COMPUTER. Naturally, they will claim that Netscape/Java program does not provide ability to function out of the Netscape parameters. But hey, once you are on Internet with a session address, you too can be summoned through ftp from a third party, such as might be initiated by a JAVA call...I just will not believe for a minute that they can prevent hackers and crackers from creating all sorts of end runs...and biting you good. I can see the whole generation of virus designers moving into this fertile new territory, well in advance of anybody's thoughts of user security. Think long and hard about this, my friends. ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Mar 2 09:23:40 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id RAA00936 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 17:21:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA00878 for ; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 17:21:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from s1c2p3.aa.net (s1c2p3.aa.net [204.157.220.183]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA28657 for ; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 17:19:21 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199603010119.RAA28657@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 01 Mar 1996 17:19:43 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: ...across ones brain: Biostimulator Specs Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 06:08 PM 2/29/96 -0500, you wrote: > >>voltage output characteristics should range between 1 millivolt and 48 volts. >> >>generally, the voltage range from 24 to 48 will not be used by most >>experimenters, but it is good to have the capability to take all experiments >>into the extreme high side to establish what happens there. At these >>levels, the voltage can be felt, starting somewhere around 25 volts, >>depending upon the body. >> >>current output should be in current limiting modality, from 1 milliamp >>generally up to preferably 100 milliamps, the closer to one amp the better, >>but there are a lot of trade-offs here I suppose, so it may be well to think >>in terms of the core unit up to as close to 100 milliamps as possible, then >>a second stage, which need not be there, which can drive up to one amp. >> >>generally, no more than 10 milliamps would be directly used, but there is a >>reason for the ability to easily integrate much higher power, as in driving >>feedback speakers, with an optional second stage. > > >Michael, > >I was under the impression that you were going to describe a realistic >intracranial stimulator. You have specified voltage and current levels far >excess of those necessary to cause DEATH in human beings. > >Your message is in a thread that is labeled "Appying voltage across ones' >brain." I hope no one takes these spec's seriously. > >Regards, >Michael > > >R. Michael O'Bannon, Ph.D. >Clinical and Corporate Psychologist >42 Lenox Pointe >Atlanta, GA 30324 >404-237-3883 > > > There are many many other highly interesting research applications for which to provide a decent generator. Applications to consciousness alteration is only one, and is not my personal primary motivation. I do hope these specs are taken quite seriously, but obviously not in the full range for application to a human body. I am specifying a device, not a topical treatment or any course of action. The technical electronics types on Free Energy, of which there are many, probably the majority, will fully understand what I am talking about. ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Mar 1 05:26:42 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id FAA11700 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 05:19:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id FAA11690 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 05:19:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.4) id FAA10496; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 05:19:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 05:19:49 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Seattle WEIRD SCIENCE meeting friday Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: SEATTLE WEIRD SCIENCE MEETING TONIGHT (fri 3/1) Meetings of Seattle's "weird science" hobby group will take place the first Friday of each month at 7pm, at 22025 Redmond/Fall-city Rd. Travel: From I-5 take 520 east until it ends at a stop light. Turn
right onto Redmond/Fall-City Rd. (rt. 202) Go 3.5 miles (into
farmland.) We're the house on the right with the small roadside "internet classes" sign. BRING STUFF TO SWAP/SELL... CLEAN OUT YOUR JUNKBOX, GET BRAND NEW JUNK! Sept. 7 A tour of 'weird science' on the internet, a demo of ancient meeting holography, night vision microcam, plasma spheres without glass, maglev without electronics, and motors without wires. Oct. 5 Argon balloon plasma ball (didn't work!) More high voltage meeting popbottle motor. Classic VandeGraaff hair-raising. Fascinating discussions lasting far, far into the night, and on a work night too! Future meetings now Saturdays. Nov. 3 Meet Mark Hendershot, the son of the inventor of the famous meeting "Hendershot Device" overunity oscillator. Free rainbow powder. Seeing electric current inside wires. Dec. 1 Physics of VandeGraaff machine. Setting fire to 2X4s with series-connected 9v batteries. The Schauberger story. Foot-long VDG sparks and pinhole fingerburns. An attempt to see Yost's strange "ion wind" threads. Jan. 5 1996 Messin' with a small tesla coil. Sparklength enhancement via nobel gas. Coil videos, homemade laser lightshow, bite the cryogenic marshmallow liquid nitrogen shennigans. Feb. 9 1996 "Brain machines", arbitrarily large solar furnaces, humidifier that melts holes in plastic with a sound beam. Mar 1 1996 ?????? Have neat "toys" or demonstrations? Bring 'em to show! Also, bring a container and take home some "rainbow" bead-powder which, when spread on the road in bright sun, creates a genuine rainbow deep within the surface. ..............................freenrg-list................................ William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd Moderator: FREENRG-LIST VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Mar 2 02:42:19 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id CAA26028 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 02:40:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.enterprise.net (root@mail.enterprise.net [194.72.192.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA26020 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 02:40:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from ppp69.enterprise.net (ppp69.enterprise.net [194.72.195.69]) by mail.enterprise.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA13150 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 10:51:58 GMT Message-Id: <199603021051.KAA13150@mail.enterprise.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Jamie Love" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 10:36:19 +0000 Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: HAARP project. X-Confirm-Reading-To: jamie@enterprise.net X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 19:31:23 -0800 > To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com > From: PGB@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) > Subject: fnrg: Re: HAARP project. + WEB SITE! > Reply-to: freenrg-list@eskimo.com > >Is anyone familiar with the HAARP project? > > ------- > > http://server5550.itd.nrl.navy.mil/projects/haarp/index.html > > Go For It! > > ------- > > High Altitude Auroral Research Project. > > This involves the most powerful transmitter and antenna array ever > constructed. It is claimed to be a research project for the study of > the ionosphere. > > Many suggest that the funding level and scope of the installations is > far beyond the claimed application. > (Hi. I'm new here) and saw a dcouemntary about HAARP recently. As I recall, back in the 60s folks were thinking about : 1) using the ionosphere to produce Extremely Low Frequency waves (ELF waves) allowing radiocommunications with nuclear subs in thier "run silent, run deep" mode. Certainly a military interest and worthy of funding at more than the "standard rate". 2)manipulating the ionosphere by beaming microwaves into it! The power and wavelenghts chosen, producing different effects. 2A) some Scandanavians were able to "pluse" the atmosphere for hundreds of miles. They pumped microwaves into the ionosphere causing it to quickly heat and expand. It collapsed quickly. The result was an audible "beat". Hooked up to a radio station they produced music "from the sky" over the Lapland wilderness. 2B) somebody figured that if you pumped enough microwaves into the ionosphere, you would strip electrons from thier atoms producing a plasma. And the resident energy in this plasma would be so high as to vaporize (into a plasma) ANYTHING passing through it! It was the "peace shield" two decades ahead of its time. It would destroy all invaders from Russians to Romulans. But it required unreasonably high amounts of energy (just to file the environmental impact statement!) so the governement said "forget it". Anyway, that's the story as I recall it. Any of you with huge amounts of energy and a paranoia about space invaders, please let my know before you strike that match to the ionosphere! Sincerely, Jamie From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Mar 3 14:40:07 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id OAA19979 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 14:39:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.execpc.com (mail.execpc.com [169.207.16.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA19965 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 14:39:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from earth.execpc.com (bpaddock@earth-le1.execpc.com [169.207.16.1]) by mail.execpc.com (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA06515 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 16:38:40 -0600 (CST) Received: (from bpaddock@localhost) by earth.execpc.com (8.7.4/8.7) id QAA19161; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 16:38:56 -0600 (CST) From: bpaddock@execpc.com (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Magnetic water soft Date: Sat, 02 Mar 1996 10:38:21 -0500 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Lines: 29 Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: In article , you wrote: > > >On Wed, 14 Feb 1996, Gary Hawkins wrote: > >> At 02:23 PM 2/13/96 EST, you wrote: >> > >You can buy a whole house water "magnetizer" for Magnetizer Tel No. >> > >(215) 766-8660. I've used one for years to treat my water in the >> > >house. It actually softens the water, without chemicals. Also it >> > >lessens soap scum in the showers, and water stains. I did not >> > >believe it would work when I first bought it, and I had the >> > >distributor hold my check for 90 days. After 10 days I could tell a >> > >difference, and I told the distributor to go ahead and deposit the >> > >check. I have been totally satisified! >> > >> >> Wouldn't some neodymium magnets taped onto the water pipe >> do the trick too? >> > > Maybe this works by magnetizing iron and other ferromagnetic minerals >in the water, causing them to precipitate or stick together. Besides, >iron is what causes water stains. It probably would have no effect on >lime or sulfur unless the magnetizing device also passes electric >current through the water. See the works of Dr. Klaus J. Kronenberg, Claremont, California; see "Water Treatment: Magnetic Water Treatment Demystified" in Raum&Zeit (The English edition) magazine Vol 1, #2, June-July 1989. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Mar 2 10:32:42 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id KAA19249 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 10:31:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from virtu.sar.usf.edu (choi@virtu.sar.usf.edu [131.247.150.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA19214 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 10:31:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (choi@localhost) by virtu.sar.usf.edu (8.6.11/8.6.5) id NAA28147; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 13:22:32 -0500 Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 13:22:31 -0500 (EST) From: "Charles Choi (SAR)" X-Sender: choi@virtu To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com cc: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Unpleasant applications In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I just thought of a nasty possibility for the cold fusion power cells. Alright. The first time we ever heard of cold fusion, the process concerned palladium rods, if I remember correctly. That sometimes yielded results. The next time we heard about cold fusion was with the Patterson Power Cell, which involves palladium beads. Increased surface area, without a doubt. An output several hundred times greater than the input. Well, what happens if you, say, take palladium dust, saturate in water, and send a charge through it? High output, low input. You'd have a cold fusion bomb, the size of a ping pong ball. I'm not saying it'll pack the power of a kiloton, but your average car may be destroyed by it. Any comments? Sincerely. Quentin Holte. ( aka Charles Choi. ) You are all the Buddha. - Last words of Buddha. If you see the Buddha, kill him. - Zen proverb. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Mar 2 00:35:12 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id AAA14789 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 00:30:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from world.net (sydney2.world.net [198.142.12.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA14760 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 00:30:34 -0800 (PST) From: Ascot@mailhost.world.net Received: from ascot.world.net (sydney27.world.net [192.190.215.27]) by world.net (8.7.4/8.6.6) with SMTP id TAA18910 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 19:29:56 +1100 (EST) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 96 19:26:54 PST Subject: fnrg: Meyer To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-Mailer: Chameleon V0.05, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi, I'm new to this group so here goes .. I've just been watching a program on the box about little known inventors who have proposed alternate energy sources etc etc ... Most of them required complicated arrangements of detectors to try and discern Energy produced was less than energy put in... ANYWAY ... one guy came up and it was MEYER !!! The one who had the hydrogen cell. It seemed to be a practical approach to producing, almost limitlees, energy from ordinary tap water. Does anyone have, or know of, a working machine available of Meyer's ??? I've looked around and found a few gifs which show his patent and, tantalising enough, a report from a guy who had made one but had hardly any information on it. How it performed etc etc. I wondered if anyone in this group had actually tried to build one ?? If so, then I would like to try and reproduce his device. Any advice, diagrams, instruction etc would be most welcome. Regards Ascot From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Mar 2 14:41:30 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id OAA28765 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 14:40:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from world.net (sydney2.world.net [198.142.12.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA28739 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 14:40:26 -0800 (PST) From: Ascot@mailhost.world.net Received: from ascot.world.net (sydney49.world.net [192.190.215.49]) by world.net (8.7.4/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA22882 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 08:39:44 +1000 (EST) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 96 09:26:35 PST Subject: Re: fnrg: ..across ones brain: Biostimulator Specs To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-Mailer: Chameleon V0.05, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: In a previous thread .. >>voltage output characteristics should range between 1 millivolt and 48 >>volts. >>generally, the voltage range from 24 to 48 will not be used by most >>experimenters, but it is good to have the capability to take all >>experiments >> >>current output should be in current limiting modality, from 1 milliamp >>generally up to preferably 100 milliamps, the closer to one amp the >>better, > >There are many many other highly interesting research applications for >which to provide a decent generator. Applications to consciousness >alteration is The device you are looking for is relatively simple to make and if you like I'll get some of my electronic notes and look up a few circuits for ya ?? I would concur with the previous guy's note about frying ones brain. Anything above 10 mA is enough to kill anywhere on the body. Especially that red pumping thing approximately in the middle of the chest. SO ..... be very careful.!!!!! You hinted at other reasons for requiring the variable current and voltage supply ??? Would you care to share ?? :) Ascot From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Mar 3 10:52:54 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id KAA21546 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 10:50:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from student.utwente.nl (driene.student.utwente.nl [130.89.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA21532 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 10:50:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from slp10048.slip.utwente.nl by student.utwente.nl with SMTP id AA13767 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 3 Mar 1996 19:49:58 +0100 Message-Id: <199603031849.AA13767@student.utwente.nl> X-Sender: S9421793@mail.student.utwente.nl X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3b4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 03 Mar 1996 19:49:44 +0100 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: T.L.G.vanderLinden@student.utwente.nl (Timothy van der Linden) Subject: Re: fnrg: Unpleasant applications Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Quentin Holte wrote >I just thought of a nasty possibility for the cold fusion power cells. >Alright. The first time we ever heard of cold fusion, the process >concerned palladium rods, if I remember correctly. That sometimes >yielded results. >The next time we heard about cold fusion was with the Patterson Power >Cell, which involves palladium beads. Increased surface area, without a >doubt. An output several hundred times greater than the input. >Well, what happens if you, say, take palladium dust, saturate in water, >and send a charge through it? High output, low input. You'd have a cold >fusion bomb, the size of a ping pong ball. >I'm not saying it'll pack the power of a kiloton, but your average car >may be destroyed by it. >Any comments? Well, I suppose you are right. It's not that strange, there is a lot of energy in a single gram of matter. Unleaching a fraction of that energy, can do a lot of harm. If cold fusion turns out to be usable on such a small scale, everyone will have several of these units (in cars, houses, portable computers). Probably these units will be sold as "ever lasting" batteries. So for terrorists it would not be difficult to obtain a few, or to build one themselves. In fact even a couple of kids wanting to make some trouble could use it. So history seems to repeat itself again, every new application, can (and will be) used for good and bad purposes. Timothy van der Linden From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Mar 3 11:30:58 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id LAA05538 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 11:30:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from virtu.sar.usf.edu (choi@virtu.sar.usf.edu [131.247.150.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA05366 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 11:29:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (choi@localhost) by virtu.sar.usf.edu (8.6.11/8.6.5) id OAA03800; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 14:20:39 -0500 Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 14:20:39 -0500 (EST) From: "Charles Choi (SAR)" X-Sender: choi@virtu To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com cc: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: On a lighter note In-Reply-To: <199603031849.AA13767@student.utwente.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Good news; since I go to school in Sarasota, I have the opportunity to try to find James Patterson ( the inventer of the Patterson [ cold fusion ] power cell ). I've been having some trouble finding him, since he's unpublished in the phonebooks; but I'm confident that I'll find him eventually; and my motives are pure and honest, so I don't think he'll think I'm threatening ( I'm a reporter for my college paper, is all ). I've even gone so far as to mail his grandson's company Clean Energy Technologies, Inc., but have yet to get a response; I've even called information at Dallas to try to get James Reding's number. Just trying to get a scoop, I am. Any helpful comments? Sincerely. Quentin Holte. ( aka Charles Choi. ) You are all the Buddha. - Last words of Buddha. If you see the Buddha, kill him. - Zen proverb. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Mar 3 16:45:52 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id QAA13553 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 16:44:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from virtu.sar.usf.edu (choi@virtu.sar.usf.edu [131.247.150.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA13497 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 16:44:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (choi@localhost) by virtu.sar.usf.edu (8.6.11/8.6.5) id TAA11462; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 19:35:40 -0500 Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 19:35:40 -0500 (EST) From: "Charles Choi (SAR)" X-Sender: choi@virtu To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: On a lighter note Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Good news; since I go to school in Sarasota, I have the opportunity to try to find James Patterson ( the inventer of the Patterson [ cold fusion ] power cell ). I've been having some trouble finding him, since he's unpublished in the phonebooks; but I'm confident that I'll find him eventually; and my motives are pure and honest, so I don't think he'll think I'm threatening ( I'm a reporter for my college paper, is all ). I've even gone so far as to mail his grandson's company Clean Energy Technologies, Inc., but have yet to get a response; I've even called information at Dallas to try to get James Reding's number. Just trying to get a scoop, I am. Any helpful comments? Sincerely. Quentin Holte. ( aka Charles Choi. ) You are all the Buddha. - Last words of Buddha. If you see the Buddha, kill him. - Zen proverb. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Mar 3 17:06:38 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id RAA17798 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 17:05:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com (mail04.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.53]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA17771 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 17:05:31 -0800 (PST) From: Jules54321@aol.com Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA06344 for freenrg-list@eskimo.com; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 20:04:11 -0500 Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 20:04:11 -0500 Message-ID: <960303200410_339968900@mail04.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: microwave experiments Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Bernard J. Eastlund's US Patent #4,686,605 "Method and Apparatus for Altering a Region in the Earth's Atmosphere, and/or Magnetosphere" proposes a radio frequency radiation focused to a point in the ionosphere. It would allow a concentration of one watt per cubic centimeter. Sick, huh? This supposedly is not the same technology that is being used by our government's "E-Systems Corp." black project corporation. The patents that they acquired when the project was "purchased" from Raytheon allow for only a millionth of a watt. I don't know what frequency. See the January 1996 issue of Nexus magazine for the whole article. 1-815-253-6464. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Mar 3 20:18:16 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id UAA05356 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 20:17:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from borg.mindspring.com (root@borg.mindspring.com [204.180.128.14]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA05326 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 20:16:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mob.mindspring.com [168.121.53.182] by borg.mindspring.com with SMTP id XAA22714 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 23:16:39 -0500 X-Sender: mob@pop.mindspring.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 23:20:11 -0500 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: mob@mindspring.com (Michael O'Bannon) Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: ...across ones brain: Biostimulator Specs Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >There are many many other highly interesting research applications for which >to provide a decent generator. Applications to consciousness alteration is >only one, and is not my personal primary motivation. Then you have had a change of focus. Your original post stated: >It can go further than this. In the right locations, current flow >can go straight away to stimulate action of the pineal, inducing >euphoria, and an astounding alteration of consciousness..."third eye" > >Interested? What is necessary is a low cost generator of the proper >outputs, which I can specify precisely. What specific applications are you talking about now? > >I do hope these specs are taken quite seriously, but obviously not in the >full range for application to a human body. I am specifying a device, not a >topical treatment or any course of action. The technical electronics types >on Free Energy, of which there are many, probably the majority, will fully >understand what I am talking about. Actually, I have quite a good grounding in electronics, and I thus far you have provided only voltage and current values for an unspecified set of applications. How about some meat that "technical electronics types" can sink their teeth into? Regards, Michael R. Michael O'Bannon, Ph.D. Clinical and Corporate Psychologist 42 Lenox Pointe Atlanta, GA 30324 404-237-3883 From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Mar 4 09:27:29 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id JAA09696 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 09:20:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from gremlin.greenville.lib.sc.us ([199.249.190.57]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA09624 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 09:19:53 -0800 (PST) From: johndee@gremlin.greenville.lib.sc.us Message-Id: <199603041719.JAA09624@mail.eskimo.com> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: 4 Mar 1996 12:19:12 EDT Subject: fnrg: On a lighter note Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Good news; since I go to school in Sarasota, I have the opportunity to FR>try to find James Patterson ( the inventer of the Patterson [ cold fusion ] FR>power cell ). I've been having some trouble finding him, since he's FR>unpublished in the phonebooks; but I'm confident that I'll find him FR>eventually; and my motives are pure and honest, so I don't think he'll FR>think I'm threatening ( I'm a reporter for my college paper, is all ). FR>I've even gone so far as to mail his grandson's company Clean Energy FR>Technologies, Inc., but have yet to get a response; I've even called FR>information at Dallas to try to get James Reding's number. Just trying FR>to get a scoop, I am. Any helpful comments? FR> Sincerely. FR> Quentin Holte. FR> ( aka Charles Choi. ) FR> FR> You are all the Buddha. FR> - Last words FR> of Buddha. FR> If you see the Buddha, FR> kill him. FR> - Zen prover Try looking up the name in a "Cris Cross Directory". Sometimes real estate offices have them, and also your local library. You may try the county tax offices (land records) etc. I've done it before, and it does take some time. One other thing came to mind....Is it possible that the newspapers would have a file on him? Also, supply houses where he may purchase the materials he would use.... From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Mar 5 04:20:38 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id EAA09784 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 04:19:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.execpc.com (mail.execpc.com [169.207.16.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id EAA09658 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 04:18:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from earth.execpc.com (bpaddock@earth-le1.execpc.com [169.207.16.1]) by mail.execpc.com (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA18845 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 06:18:22 -0600 (CST) Received: (from bpaddock@localhost) by earth.execpc.com (8.7.4/8.7) id GAA09915; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 06:18:40 -0600 (CST) From: bpaddock@execpc.com (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Applying voltage across one's brain Date: Mon, 04 Mar 1996 19:40:49 -0500 Message-ID: References: <199602231952.LAA03945@big.aa.net> In-Reply-To: <199602231952.LAA03945@big.aa.net> Lines: 12 Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >It's been 10 years since I've looked at the device and ic catelogs and there >is a veritable flood of solid state stuff out there way beyond stuff like >the 555. Hopefully, someone in free energy list who is much more current >with the last generation of solid state components will rise to the >occassion and initiate some recommendations. When he or she does announce >himherself, I'll pop a list of desired output chararteristics which you >might want to review very carefully as you no doubt have some ideas of >your own. I've got access to the latest devices and catalogs ect, what are you looking for? From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Mar 4 17:22:08 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id RAA28019 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:18:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA27985 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:18:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.4) id RAA18019; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:18:25 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:18:25 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: MAJOR DEVELOPMENTS IN COLD FUSION Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --- FORWARDED --- Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 12:37:26 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Heywood To: @minnie.nic.kingston.ibm.com:freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: MAJOR DEVELOPMENTS IN COLD FUSION This was on USENET (sci.physics.energy)... seems to be something people here would be interested in. -Todd Heywood =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Article: 23873 of sci.energy Path: mhvnews.kgn.ibm.com!watnews.watson.ibm.com!newsgate.watson.ibm.com!ne= wsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.net!ne= ws.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: Evan Soul Newsgroups: sci.energy Subject: Patterson cell - Plundered from J. Newman Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 18:07:58 Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Lines: 185 Message-ID: <4gtege$mig@bolivia.it.earthlink.net> References: <4fgian$ggp@classic.eng.octel.com> <312454fb.76416306@nntp.ix.n= etcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool048.max1.new-orleans.la.dynip.alter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Diso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1 (Macintosh; U; 68K) To: jrmeredi@ix.netcom.com X-URL: news:312454fb.76416306@nntp.ix.netcom.com NEWMAN ENERGY PRODUCTS Route 1, Box 52, Lucedale, Mississippi 39452 (601) 947-7147 LUCEDALE, MISSISSIPPI (February 26, 1996) . . . . =B3This is the greatest conspiracy against any human being in the history= =20 of man!=B2 -- Quotation from Congressman Robert Toricelli of New Jersey which he=20 made in the mid-1980=B9s concerning the treatment afforded energy machine= =20 inventor Joseph Newman by the U.S. Patent Office and other government=20 officials. Since 1979, inventor Joseph Newman has sought an Energy=20 Machine Pioneering Patent for his revolutionary invention which=20 =B3Produced More Energy Than Was Put Into It.=B2 [Joseph Newman's long=20 legal battle with the U.S. Patent Office has personally cost him over=20 $1.5 million dollars.] The above quotation is now totally proven to be correct: On Wednesday, February 7, 1996, the Ted Koppel NIGHTLINE Show announced=20 with great fanfare to the world that the United States Patent Office has=20 issued Patent Number 5,312,688 on December 13, 1994 to James Patterson,=20 previously employed by the Dupont Corporation. This issuance of this Patterson patent by the U.S. Patent Office is=20 total proof of the statement by Congressman Toricelli quoted above! The Patterson patent is a duplicate of the First Embodiment of my energy=20 machine Invention originally filed with the U.S. Patent Office in 1979=20 (OVER 15 YEARS BEFORE THE PATTERSON PATENT WAS ISSUED!!) and published=20 worldwide on page 89 of my book -- THE ENERGY MACHINE OF JOSEPH NEWMAN=20 -- in 1984. FACT: James Patterson called me personally on the telephone during the=20 early 1990=B9s and asked: =B3Did my (Joseph Newman=B9s) design cover the= =20 output of heat.=B2 I strongly replied, =B3Yes. Heat was electromagnetic= =20 energy.=B2 (See pages 102 through 111 of my book, The Energy Machine of=20 Joseph Newman, which proves this to be so.) Additionally, it was stated on the February 7, 1996 NIGHTLINE Show that=20 James Patterson was making big business deals with large corporations=20 (the very Power Brokers who have opposed my efforts to obtain a=20 Pioneering Patent which have cost me over $1.5 million in legal fees)=20 behind CLOSED DOORS. And, AS TO =B3RUB SALT IN THE WOUND TO ME AND TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE:=B2 = =20 The United States Patent Office has now issued Patent Number 5,436,518=20 (on July 26, 1995) to a Teruo Kawai and a large Japanese Corporation=20 (Nihon Riken, Co., Ltd.) of =B3TOKYO, JAPAN.=B2 This U.S.-issued Kawai=20 Patent claims 19.5 WATTS IN and 62.16 WATTS OUT! This is greater than=20 300% claimed efficiency! The Kawai U.S. Patent (which like the Patterson U.S. Patent is a=20 plundered version of my technology) states that conducting material and=20 magnet are employed in the design. This is EXACTLY as does my U.S.=20 Patent Application of 1979 and my book, The Energy Machine of Joseph=20 Newman of 1984. Over 1,000 articles about my energy machine technology=20 have appeared in magazines, newspapers and newsletters through the world=20 since 1980. I have stated my claims to this revolutionary technology on=20 the TONIGHT SHOW with Johnny Carson, CBS National News, ABC National=20 News, CNN National News, LIFE MAGAZINE, =B3All Things Considered,=B2 and on= =20 thousands of Radio Shows across the United States since 1980. My work=20 has been featured in Japanese magazines and even a Japanese news team=20 visited my home in Lucedale, Mississippi and filmed a feature about my=20 work. It is the law of our nation that NO Patent is valid if the information=20 contained within that Patent has been disclosed one year prior to the=20 patent=B9s claim. Accordingly, both the Patterson and the Kawai Patent are INVALID! The U.S. Patent Office has been and is controlled by the criminal=20 influence of certain major corporations. This has been done at the=20 expense of my life=B9s work and at the expense of the well being of the=20 people of this nation and the world. And if this technology is=20 successfully stolen from me, then it will send a message to all future=20 inventors in this country that their creative efforts will be for naught=20 if large corporations desire to control the product of their creative=20 labor. I cannot imagine a greater disincentive to progress. Patterson even stated on the NIGHTLINE program that he does not even=20 know why the invention works. I, on the other hand, explained in great=20 detail the breadth and magnitude of my Revolutionary Energy Machine=20 Invention YEARS before either Patterson and Kawai. IRONICALLY, BOTH OF THESE INDIVIDUALS -- WHO HAVE PLUNDERED MY INVENTION=20 -- HAVE INDEPENDENTLY CORROBORATED AND PROVEN THAT MY PIONEERING=20 INVENTION IS CORRECT AND PATENTABLE. AND BY THE ISSUANCE OF U.S.=20 PATENTS TO THESE TWO INDIVIDUALS, SO HAS THE U.S. PATENT ALSO=20 CORROBORATED THE VALIDITY OF MY PIONEERING PATENT APPLICATION OF 1979. I AM NOW SEEKING A QUALITY, EXPERIENCED ATTORNEY TO ASSIST ME IN SUING=20 THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT AND THE UNITED STATES PATENT OFFICE (as=20 well as Patterson, Kawai, and the Nihon Rikon, Co. based in Japan -- our=20 =B3economic=B2 adversary.) This atrocious, criminal act of plundering this technology has not only=20 been instigated against me -- but also against the People of this=20 Nation. Both Patterson and Kawai have made deals with certain large=20 corporations, claiming that they now control my life=B9s work. Why? =20 Because they could not buy me out although they vigorously tried. My simple, repeatable demonstration -- that further proves the validity=20 of my life=B9s work -- was held on February 5, 1996 at the Adams Mark=20 Hotel in Mobile, Alabama. The enthusiasm and recognition of the=20 importance of this demonstration was best expressed by approximately 200=20 cheering students (from a Magnet Junior High School in Mobile) who held=20 their fists in the air and had their eyes glowing with excitement in=20 recognition of the potential future to be created from my life=B9s work. = =20 [This special demonstration in Mobile was preserved on videotape.] The citizens of the United States should contact the prospective=20 Presidential Candidates as well as their U.S. Representatives and=20 Senators and demand a Congressional investigation of this atrocious and=20 criminal act of plunder against them and me. I am asking scientists=20 throughout the world to speak out against this injustice. If this=20 plunder is permitted to go unpunished, then the future creative ability=20 of our nation=B9s inventors --- as well as inventors throughout the world= =20 --- is in jeopardy! Joseph Westley Newman ----------------------------------------------------- BACKGROUND TO THIS REVOLUTIONARY TECHNOLOGY: The energy generated by this machine is harmless, non-polluting, and=20 will replace ALL present forms of energy generation. With the energy=20 machine, every consumer can make a one-time purchase of a unit that=20 could be installed in one=B9s backyard and virtually unplug themselves=20 from local utility companies. The energy machine can also power all=20 land, sea and air vehicles and would eliminate the polluting effects of=20 the internal combustion engine. Since 1979, his long legal battle with=20 the U.S. Patent Office has personally cost Joseph Newman over $1.5=20 million dollars. In an effort to secure for him a special Congressional=20 Patent (directly issued by Congress), eleven different U. S. Congressmen=20 introduced eleven separate Bills on his behalf. He also received=20 support from over 30 scientists who signed Affidavits attesting to the=20 validity of the energy machine, as well as the endorsements from a=20 former U. S. Commissioner of the Patent Office, the Mississippi House=20 and Senate, the Republican Study Committee of Congress and the New=20 Orleans City Council. The Republican Study Committee of Congress wrote: "Joseph Newman has=20 received arbitrary and unfair treatment at the hands of the PTO and=20 Federal Judge Jackson. Congress should act because the Executive and=20 Judicial branches have failed this American citizen. In light of=20 Congress' oversight responsibilities and the fact that it is empowered=20 by the Constitution to issue patents, the fact that the preponderance of=20 evidence is in Newman's favor, and the fact that this invention is=20 potentially beneficial to hundreds of millions of people, it is totally=20 in order for Congress to grant Newman a patent and to allow the American=20 marketplace to decide the value of this invention."=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------- A QUALITATIVE ANOLOGY: "The treatment that inventor Joseph Newman has been afforded is=20 qualitatively similiar to a writer who has worked 30 years to produce a=20 major novel and then attempts to have it copyrighted with the U.S.=20 Copyright Office. The Copyright Office refuses to issue the copyright=20 to the novelist who then sues the Copyright Office and spends $1.5=20 million dollars in the process. Then, over 10 years after the original=20 novelist applied for his copyright, two individuals --- one in Florida=20 and one in Japan --- publish copies of the original writer's novel and=20 these two plunderers both receive copyright privileges from our U.S.=20 Copyright Office." -------------------------------------------------------------------- For additional information, contact Joseph W. Newman at (601) 947-7147,=20 Route 1, Box 52, Lucedale, MS 39452 or Evan Soul=E9, Public Relations, at= =20 (504) 524-3063 or email: josephnewman@earthlink.net From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Mar 5 03:09:02 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id DAA24229 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 03:04:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id DAA24195 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 03:03:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from [203.1.75.186] (cs3p7.ipswich.gil.com.au [203.1.75.186]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.11 ) with SMTP id WAA01491 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 22:02:45 +1000 X-Sender: realtime@mail.peg.apc.org (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 21:05:28 +1000 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: realtime@peg.apc.org (Philip Braham) Subject: Re: fnrg: MAJOR DEVELOPMENTS IN COLD FUSION Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >What follows is not a flame. This is a serious analysis. I do not use >these words lightly. > >This article demonstrated without a shadow of a question of a doubt that >Newman is seriously deluded, without question a sociopathic paranoid fanatic >who will use any claim or verbal expression which his feeble brain can >conjure from the depths of his confusion to manipulate lies, lies, and more >lies in a vain effort to extort power. > >His maladroit efforts through the years at seeking social dominance have >obviously frustrated him into a semi-permenant state of rage. No man who >rages suchly utters a rational thought. No man who reduces himself to this >netherworld of hallucinated enemies has a real household (invention). He >needs serious psychological and spiritual counseling. I hope that there is >someone in a position to reach out to him from that healing dimension. > > > >____________________________________ >MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing >Michael Mandeville, publisher >mwm@aa.net >http://www.aa.net/~mwm I am new to this list and must admit that I know little of the Newman machine, alyhough I've read the World Wide Web pages. However, I didn't see anything in the artcle to 'demonstrate without a shadow of a question of a doubt that Newman is seriously deluded'. Can you elucidate me? Also, I'm from Australia and intend to go to the Free Energy Conference in Colorado. I would be interested in making contacts there. Regards, Phil Braham From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Mar 5 06:56:29 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id GAA15795 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 06:52:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id GAA15774 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 06:52:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.7.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA08233 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 08:51:54 -0600 (CST) Received: (from w9sz@localhost) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.7.4/8.7.1) id IAA14804; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 08:51:52 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 08:51:52 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199603051451.IAA14804@firefly.prairienet.org> From: w9sz@prairienet.org (Zack Widup) To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: MAJOR DEVELOPMENTS IN COLD FUSION Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > >IRONICALLY, BOTH OF THESE INDIVIDUALS -- WHO HAVE PLUNDERED MY INVENTION=20 >-- HAVE INDEPENDENTLY CORROBORATED AND PROVEN THAT MY PIONEERING=20 >INVENTION IS CORRECT AND PATENTABLE. AND BY THE ISSUANCE OF U.S.=20 >PATENTS TO THESE TWO INDIVIDUALS, SO HAS THE U.S. PATENT ALSO=20 >CORROBORATED THE VALIDITY OF MY PIONEERING PATENT APPLICATION OF 1979. > >I AM NOW SEEKING A QUALITY, EXPERIENCED ATTORNEY TO ASSIST ME IN SUING=20 >THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT AND THE UNITED STATES PATENT OFFICE (as=20 >well as Patterson, Kawai, and the Nihon Rikon, Co. based in Japan -- our=20 >=B3economic=B2 adversary.) > Mr. Newman ought to read the works of Tesla, T. Henry Moray and many others who came before him. If he thinks every free-energy device is an infringement on "his ideas" he is sadly mistook! Zack From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Mar 5 07:58:27 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id HAA27002 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 07:57:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from virtu.sar.usf.edu (choi@virtu.sar.usf.edu [131.247.150.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA26952 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 07:57:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (choi@localhost) by virtu.sar.usf.edu (8.6.11/8.6.5) id KAA13648; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 10:48:18 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 10:48:18 -0500 (EST) From: "Charles Choi (SAR)" X-Sender: choi@virtu To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com cc: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Unpleasant applications In-Reply-To: <199603050917.BAA29742@big.aa.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > Luckily I believe that this conversation is pointless. It is unlikely that > cold fusion can sustain anything like the energy release for mass in the > time dimension necessary for a nuclear shock wave to arise and have any > scale of result. You'll probably mainly just have the typical pressure > shock wave problem from things which overheat. There is no bomb potential > here. There are other chemical explosives to be far more concerned about. > Natcherally, I could be totally out to lunch on this, but there is nothing > in the experiments to date which even remotely suggests the possibility of a > major nuclear event growing up out of the cold fusion approach. > ____________________________________ > MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing > Michael Mandeville, publisher > mwm@aa.net > http://www.aa.net/~mwm Yeah, I wasn't really worried per se; just idle speculation. Sincerely. Quentin Holte. ( aka Charles Choi. ) You are all the Buddha. - Last words of Buddha. If you see the Buddha, kill him. - Zen proverb. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Mar 5 01:18:42 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id BAA15281 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 01:17:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA15276 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 01:17:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from s3c0p7.aa.net (s3c0p7.aa.net [204.157.220.139]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA29742 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 01:17:19 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199603050917.BAA29742@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 06 Mar 1996 01:16:52 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg: Unpleasant applications Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 07:49 PM 3/3/96 +0100, you wrote: >Quentin Holte wrote > >>I just thought of a nasty possibility for the cold fusion power cells. >>Alright. The first time we ever heard of cold fusion, the process >>concerned palladium rods, if I remember correctly. That sometimes >>yielded results. >>The next time we heard about cold fusion was with the Patterson Power >>Cell, which involves palladium beads. Increased surface area, without a >>doubt. An output several hundred times greater than the input. >>Well, what happens if you, say, take palladium dust, saturate in water, >>and send a charge through it? High output, low input. You'd have a cold >>fusion bomb, the size of a ping pong ball. >>I'm not saying it'll pack the power of a kiloton, but your average car >>may be destroyed by it. >>Any comments? > >Well, I suppose you are right. It's not that strange, there is a lot of >energy in a single gram of matter. Unleaching a fraction of that energy, can >do a lot of harm. > >If cold fusion turns out to be usable on such a small scale, everyone will >have several of these units (in cars, houses, portable computers). Probably >these units will be sold as "ever lasting" batteries. So for terrorists it >would not be difficult to obtain a few, or to build one themselves. >In fact even a couple of kids wanting to make some trouble could use it. > >So history seems to repeat itself again, every new application, can (and >will be) used for good and bad purposes. > > >Timothy van der Linden > Luckily I believe that this conversation is pointless. It is unlikely that cold fusion can sustain anything like the energy release for mass in the time dimension necessary for a nuclear shock wave to arise and have any scale of result. You'll probably mainly just have the typical pressure shock wave problem from things which overheat. There is no bomb potential here. There are other chemical explosives to be far more concerned about. Natcherally, I could be totally out to lunch on this, but there is nothing in the experiments to date which even remotely suggests the possibility of a major nuclear event growing up out of the cold fusion approach. ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Mar 5 01:20:13 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id BAA15336 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 01:18:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA15322 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 01:17:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from s3c0p7.aa.net (s3c0p7.aa.net [204.157.220.139]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA29784 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 01:17:48 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199603050917.BAA29784@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 06 Mar 1996 01:17:21 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: Michael Mandeville Subject: fnrg: RE: NETIZENS ALERT AND JAVA: CYBERPLASTS Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: A >> >>Naturally, they will claim that Netscape/Java program does not provide >>ability to function out of the Netscape parameters. But hey, once you are >>on Internet with a session address, you too can be summoned through ftp from >>a third party, such as might be initiated by a JAVA call...I just will not >>believe for a minute that they can prevent hackers and crackers from >>creating all sorts of end runs...and biting you good. I can see the whole >>generation of virus designers moving into this fertile new territory, well >>in advance of anybody's thoughts of user security. >> >>Think long and hard about this, my friends. >>____________________________________ >> >MICHAEL: I've been following this thread and related topics (in print and >electronic media) on a very 'peripheral' basis, but some of the claims you >seem to be making here have definitely caught my attention. Are you saying >that people can write and post Java applets that can, if I click on them, >dive into my machine and do what they will without my knowledge and >permission??? If so, it would be an outrageous and despicable abuse. Can >you provide details and methods by which anyone could independently verify >your claims? > Michael Moran Yes, this is true. Just go consult any book on Java in the bookstore. Java is a programming script language designed to be transportable accross program platforms (sort of). It can be made to run any kind of batch you want to talk about. They are talking about a wide range of applications. Java script is more limited..but it is the camel's nose, which could be used to initiate a Java applet...which could be used to initiate, well, anything your hardware is capable of. We are talking about a serious problem folks. I noted in this week's Government Procurement Weekly that government agencies are experiencing repeated infection from macro virii related to MS Word and MS Excel. Most people don't realize it, but every Word doc and Excel spreadsheet file has a section where a macro can be inserted rightr along with all of the format instructions (which you can conceive of as a macro). This macro apparently can be made to run upon loading the Word file, just like in the Excel files, which I personally know about because I have done setups with them running upon loading. So some clever people without enough meaning in their life have devised cute tricks for these macros, which can be spread through new Word or Excel files (everytime you save a new file, the virus can install itself therein). If you know your "stuff", both Word and Excel can be made to do all sorts of background, invisible stuff, especially file opening, saving and manipulation, which is one of the core functions of all software. Once you can do that, you can do anything you want with the computer, invisibly. ANYTHING it is physically capable of. Windows 95 makes this even easier because you won't notice the changes in system performance while they are running, not nearly as much as in the Win 3.1 environment, and even there you can be kept in the dark pretty easily. All of these mentioned programs are DESIGNED TO WORK SEAMLESSLY, ie, they can affect and boot each other, as much as possible in the background. That is why we are coming to a watershed...Java is just another macro in another document...in this case an html document. Three days ago, one of my partners got bit with a virus infected disk which had come straight from a manufacturer. I am getting to the point where I will no longer accept Word docs. Give me straight text files, thank you very much. Take a look at the command bar on Netscape. Look, see, it has full file making, loading, manipulating, cutting, pasting, editing capabilities. It can pipe changes of directory, drive, configuration, etc. and activate through its plug-ins all kinds of additional software, various physical parts of your computer, etc. This has got to be a virus designer's virtual paradise. You want to know something really insidious? There isn't any virus detection software out there, and none can be devised, which can peg this stuff. These are not virus in the traditional sense. We are going to need a new name for these. These are more like protoplasts, but let's call them CYBERPLASTS - they look like any proper application program on your computer! Here is a cute one: you have a script laden webpage which ftp's (downloads) and installs a Netscape plug-in software module which minics an approved one. This little cutie, which we will call spy, is designed to feret out your email address and your account password, or maybe some other information, which it then sends out to some third location, say an anonomous ftp server at a big instittution which has an accessible directory (perhaps accessed through an account name and password which was stolen from someone else, which is being monitored from another location, etc. etc. etc. So, do you want to abandon the simplicity and the confidence you can place in a standards approved html coded text file, or do you want to get involved in the cyberwars which morons are unleasing and expose yourself to WHATEVER SOMEBODY WANTS TO DO TO YOU? THINK HARD ABOUT THIS GUYS. I think netizens have got to say no to the new drug of java. I predict they will. Java probably can be made to run pretty well on "intranets", carefully controlled internal lans. But even there, I sure would think out very hard just what I am willing to expose to possible internal abuse. I am not "anti-java" and there are no politics in my motives. I don't own Microsoft stock, and I can recognize value where there is potential value, just as well as I can see the potential costs. REMEMBER, YOU HEARD ABOUT "CYBERPLASTS" right here for the first time. ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Mar 5 01:18:44 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id BAA15344 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 01:18:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA15335 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 01:17:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from s3c0p7.aa.net (s3c0p7.aa.net [204.157.220.139]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA29788 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 01:17:55 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199603050917.BAA29788@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 06 Mar 1996 01:17:28 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg: MAJOR DEVELOPMENTS IN COLD FUSION Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 05:18 PM 3/4/96 -0800, you wrote: >--- FORWARDED --- >Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 12:37:26 -0500 (EST) >From: Todd Heywood >To: @minnie.nic.kingston.ibm.com:freenrg-list@eskimo.com >Subject: Re: fnrg: MAJOR DEVELOPMENTS IN COLD FUSION > > >This was on USENET (sci.physics.energy)... seems to be >something people here would be interested in. > -Todd Heywood > >NEWMAN ENERGY PRODUCTS >Route 1, Box 52, Lucedale, Mississippi 39452 >(601) 947-7147 > > >LUCEDALE, MISSISSIPPI (February 26, 1996) . . . . > > > >For additional information, contact Joseph W. Newman at (601) 947-7147,=20 >Route 1, Box 52, Lucedale, MS 39452 or Evan Soul=E9, Public Relations, at= >=20 >(504) 524-3063 or email: josephnewman@earthlink.net > > Thanks Todd, for posting this little gem. Before this post, I was wondering about Newman's stuff. Now I know. What follows is not a flame. This is a serious analysis. I do not use these words lightly. This article demonstrated without a shadow of a question of a doubt that Newman is seriously deluded, without question a sociopathic paranoid fanatic who will use any claim or verbal expression which his feeble brain can conjure from the depths of his confusion to manipulate lies, lies, and more lies in a vain effort to extort power. His maladroit efforts through the years at seeking social dominance have obviously frustrated him into a semi-permenant state of rage. No man who rages suchly utters a rational thought. No man who reduces himself to this netherworld of hallucinated enemies has a real household (invention). He needs serious psychological and spiritual counseling. I hope that there is someone in a position to reach out to him from that healing dimension. ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Mar 5 20:04:02 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id UAA12102 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 20:00:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.vvm.com (root@ns.vvm.com [204.71.94.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA12084 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 20:00:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from slip127.vvm.com (slip127.vvm.com [204.71.94.37]) by ns.vvm.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA29195 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 22:00:29 -0600 Received: by slip127.vvm.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BB0ADF.2A332400@slip127.vvm.com>; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 22:00:28 -0600 Message-ID: <01BB0ADF.2A332400@slip127.vvm.com> From: Brent Davidson To: "'Free Energy Listserve'" Subject: Re: fnrg: Unpleasant Applications Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 22:00:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >From what I've read about the cold fusion experiments, there appears to = be a connection between the quality of the crystal lattice of the = palladium electrodes and the amount of energy released. Most of the = early experiments produced no results because they used low quality = palladium rods. My personal theory is this: Something about the = crystal lattice of palladium allows deuterium to enter, but not to = leave. The electrical charge on the electrodes causes more deuterium to = be attracted to the inside of the electrode where it eventually builds = up enough pressure to fuse. Te more surface area, the more ports of = entry the deuterium has into the crystal lattice, up to a point. I = believe that a suspension of palladium in water would yeild little, if = any, results due to the disorder of the molecules to the point that a = crystal lattice is nearly non-existant. Brent Davidson (davidson@vvm.com) From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Mar 6 07:29:03 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id HAA10686 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 07:24:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns2.indirect.com (root@ns2.indirect.com [165.247.1.17]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA10673 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 07:24:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from 165.247.24.28 (s28.phxslip4.indirect.com [165.247.24.28]) by ns2.indirect.com (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA09726 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 08:22:34 -0700 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 08:22:34 -0700 Message-Id: <199603061522.IAA09726@ns2.indirect.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Reed Huish Subject: Re: fnrg: MAJOR DEVELOPMENTS IN COLD FUSION To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <199603051451.IAA14804@firefly.prairienet.org> X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Tue, 5 Mar 1996, w9sz@prairienet.org (Zack Widup) wrote: > > >> >>IRONICALLY, BOTH OF THESE INDIVIDUALS -- WHO HAVE PLUNDERED MY INVENTION=20 >>-- HAVE INDEPENDENTLY CORROBORATED AND PROVEN THAT MY PIONEERING=20 >>INVENTION IS CORRECT AND PATENTABLE. AND BY THE ISSUANCE OF U.S.=20 >>PATENTS TO THESE TWO INDIVIDUALS, SO HAS THE U.S. PATENT ALSO=20 >>CORROBORATED THE VALIDITY OF MY PIONEERING PATENT APPLICATION OF 1979. >> >>I AM NOW SEEKING A QUALITY, EXPERIENCED ATTORNEY TO ASSIST ME IN SUING=20 >>THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT AND THE UNITED STATES PATENT OFFICE (as=20 >>well as Patterson, Kawai, and the Nihon Rikon, Co. based in Japan -- our=20 >>=B3economic=B2 adversary.) >> > >Mr. Newman ought to read the works of Tesla, T. Henry Moray and many >others who came before him. If he thinks every free-energy device is an >infringement on "his ideas" he is sadly mistook! > >Zack > My thoughts exactly. There are some of us out here who are actually trying to make free energy a reality for mankind, i.e. the do'ers. Then there are others who just keep wining that they have the greatest invention ever known to man, but they never do anything about it. My comment to Newman (and Stan Meyer): if you really have what you say you have, then just shut up and go make your fame & fortune by selling it to the public. Sadly, though, I think they're just talk'ers & not do'ers. - Reed From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Mar 6 09:15:26 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id JAA28871 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:12:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from xs1.xs4all.nl (root@xs1.xs4all.nl [193.78.33.42]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA28783 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:12:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from robert (asd04-06.dial.xs4all.nl) by xs1.xs4all.nl with SMTP id AA07135 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 6 Mar 1996 18:11:49 +0100 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 18:11:49 +0100 Message-Id: <199603061711.AA07135@xs1.xs4all.nl> X-Sender: robert@xs4all.nl X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: robert@xs4all.nl (robert de geus) Subject: Re: fnrg: MAJOR DEVELOPMENTS IN COLD FUSION Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I have checked the patent numbers at http://patents.cnidr.org:4242/access/search-simp.html The patent of James Patterson does not seem to be right ( is it an other number ?? ) 1.(100) (5,312,688) Acaricide fiber material and process for producing same The patent of Teruo Kawai seems to be granted (although I fail to understand, what a language---- robert ) ________________________________________________________________________________ ABSTRACT: 1.(100) (5,436,518) Motive power generating device [USPTO] [CNIDR] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ United States Patent 5,436,518 Kawai Jul. 25, 1995 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Motive power generating device Inventors: Kawai; Teruo (4-3-905, Nishikamata 7-chome, Ota-ku, Tokyo, JP). Assignee: Nihon Riken Co., Ltd. (Tokyo, JP); Kawai; Teruo (Tokyo, JP). Appl. No.: 079,120 Filed: Jun. 17, 1993 Related U.S. Application Data Continuation-in-part of Ser No. 816,821, Jan. 3, 1992, abandoned. Intl. Cl.: H02K 7/02; H02K 7/075 U.S. Cl.: 310/156; 310/ 68.B; 318/135 Field of Search: 310/68 R, 68 B, 70 R, 152, 156, 184, 12, 81; 318/498, 135 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ References Cited ------------------------------------------------------------------------ U.S. Patent Documents 3,344,325 Sept., 1967 Sklaroff 318/138 3,411,059 Nov., 1968 Kaiwa 318/138 3,473,061 Oct., 1969 Soehner et al. 310/156 3,555,380 Jan., 1971 Hings 318/135 3,577,053 May, 1971 McGee 318/254 3,707,638 Dec., 1972 Nailen 310/152 4,095,161 Jun., 1978 Heine et al. 318/696 4,306,164 Dec., 1981 Itoh et al. 310/ 49R 4,347,457 Aug., 1982 Sakamoto 310/256 4,357,551 Nov., 1982 Dulondel 310/ 46 4,406,958 Sept., 1983 Palmero et al. 310/ 49R 4,633,108 Dec., 1986 von der Heide 310/ 12 4,712,028 Dec., 1987 Horber 310/ 49R 4,719,378 Jan., 1988 Katsuma et al. 310/ 67R 4,728,837 Mar., 1988 Bhadra 310/ 80 4,774,440 Sept., 1988 Bhadra 310/ 81 4,786,834 Nov., 1988 Grant et al. 310/194 4,870,306 Sept., 1989 Petersen 310/ 12 5,023,495 Jun., 1991 Ohsaka et al. 310/ 12 5,030,866 Jul., 1991 Kawai 310/ 82 5,105,111 Apr., 1992 Luebke 310/ 46 5,191,255 Mar., 1993 Kloosterhouse et al. 310/156 5,192,899 Mar., 1993 Simpson et al. 318/139 5,258,697 Nov., 1993 Ford et al. 318/498 Foreign Patent Document 0082356 Jun., 1983 EP 0411563A1 Feb., 1991 EP Other References IBM Technical Disclosure Bulletin, Wound Rotor Incremental Motor, P. J. Davies et al, vol. 12, No. 12, May 1970, p. 2130. Primary Examiner: Dougherty; Thomas M. Assistant Examiner: Haszko; D. R. Attorney, Agent or Firm: Flynn, Thiel, Boutell & Tanis ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Abstract ------------------------------------------------------------------------ A motive power generating device comprises a permanent magnet disposed around a rotational output shaft for rotation therewith, the output shaft being mounted on a support member for rotation, a magnetic body disposed in concentric relationship with the permanent magnet for rotation with the rotational output shaft, the magnetic body being subjected to magnetic flux generated by the permanent magnet, a plurality of electromagnets fixedly mounted to the support member in such a manner that they are spaced at predetermined distances around the periphery of the magnetic body, each magnetic circuit of the electromagnets being adapted to be independent of one another, and excitation change-over means for the electromagnets, the excitation change-over means being adapted to sequentially magnetize one of the electromagnets which is positioned forwardly with regard to a rotational direction of the rotational output shaft, so as to impart to the particular electromagnet a magnetic polarity opposite to that of the magnetic pole of the permanent magnet, whereby magnetic flux passing through the magnetic body converges in one direction so as to apply a rotational torque to the rotational output shaft. No force opposing movement of a rotor or movable element is generated. 16 Claims, 34 Drawing Figures ------------------------------------------------------------------------ [USPTO] [CNIDR] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Mar 6 19:06:13 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id TAA14355 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 19:02:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA14339 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 19:02:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.4) id TAA25424; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 19:02:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 19:02:30 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Newman Energy Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --- FORWARDED --- Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 20:03:00 +0100 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: harti@bbtt.de (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: fnrg: Newman Energy Cc: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org At 01:30 26.02.1996 +1000, freenrg-list@eskimo.com wrote: >> >> "On Thursday, August 10, 1995, Joseph Newman demonstrated his newest >> production model of his motor/generator: From 8:00AM to 8:00PM- >> and attached to a Grainger Reciprocating Pump-The Newman Motor/ >> Generator pumped 1 gallon of water per minute at 12 PSI at the Lucedale, >> Mississippi City Park. The voltage source was a local alternating current >> connection to the Newman Motor/Generator through a conventional house watt >> meter. When a conventional motor was operated on this system the house watt >> meter proceeded to turn, indicating that external electrical energy was >> being consumed. > Where did you found this article ??? Can please somebody post the whole article ? Thanks a lot in advance. I am interested in all Newman put out lately... Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service _Buy our Internet MPEG CD-ROM ! Visit the WEB_ Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann _site below !_ Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30 344 23 66 FAX: ++ 49 30 344 92 79 email: harti@ddd.snafu.de harti@bbtt.com Web site: http://www.bbtt.com/harti/harti.html From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Mar 6 19:07:12 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id TAA14599 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 19:04:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA14577 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 19:04:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.4) id TAA25518; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 19:04:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 19:04:23 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Newman demonstration, any eye witnesses ? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 20:23:56 +0100 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: harti@bbtt.de (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Newman demonstration, any eye witnesses ? Hi I just found this on the new Joe Newman WEB page at: http://home.earthlink.net/free/josephnewman/webdocs/ Did anybody from this list attend and saw it for yourself ? Please let me know. Regards, Stefan. email to: harti@bbtt.de or harti@ddd.snafu.de At a recent public demonstration of this technology, Joseph Newman operated the newest production model of his Motor/Generator: during the demonstration, from 8:00am to 8:00pm, the Newman Motor/Generator was attached to a Grainger Reciprocating Pump and pumped 1 gallon of water per minute at 12 PSI at the Lucedale, Mississippi City Park. The voltage source (which was not consumed) was a local alternating current connection to the Newman Motor/Generator through a convention house watt meter. When a CONVENTIONAL MOTOR was operated on this system, the dial on the house watt meter (hooked in line) proceeded to revolve, indicating that external electrical energy was being consumed. During the ENTIRE 12 hours that the Neman Motor/Generator pumped water, the house watt meter dial DID NOT MOVE. Moreover, for the entire 12 hour period the Newman Motor/Generator ran COOL. The news media, city officials and representatives of the local power company observed and corroborated these results. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service _Buy our Internet MPEG CD-ROM ! Visit the WEB_ Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann _site below !_ Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30 344 23 66 FAX: ++ 49 30 344 92 79 email: harti@ddd.snafu.de harti@bbtt.com Web site: http://www.bbtt.com/harti/harti.html From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Mar 6 21:10:11 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id VAA03436 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 21:07:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from world.net (sydney2.world.net [198.142.12.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA03405 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 21:07:27 -0800 (PST) From: ascot@mailhost.world.net Received: from ausnet (sydney37.world.net [192.190.215.37]) by world.net (8.7.4/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA14635 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 15:06:44 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 15:06:44 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <1.5.4b11.16.19960307160137.5a97920a@mailhost.world.net> X-Sender: ascot@mailhost.world.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4b11 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Newman demonstration, any eye witnesses ? Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >During the ENTIRE 12 hours that the Neman Motor/Generator pumped water, the >house watt >meter dial DID NOT MOVE. Moreover, for the entire 12 hour period the Newman >Motor/Generator ran COOL. The news media, city officials and representatives >of the local power >company observed and corroborated these results. Can anybody give a definitive answer regading the authenticity of the Newman machine ?? One minute the guy's being whipped as a B/Shi*t artist the next he's got a ligitimate claim ?????? What's the script here ? Thanx Ascot From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Mar 7 01:23:04 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id BAA18439 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 01:17:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost1.primenet.com (mailhost1.primenet.com [198.68.32.51]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id BAA18370 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 01:17:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from usr3.primenet.com (root@usr3.primenet.com [198.68.32.13]) by mailhost1.primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id CAA09202 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 02:17:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from ip187.boi.primenet.com (ip187.boi.primenet.com [198.68.45.187]) by usr3.primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA25426 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 02:17:35 -0700 (MST) From: tannius@primenet.com (JOHN TANNIUS) To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Newman demonstration, any eye witnesses ? Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 09:24:23 GMT Message-Id: <313eaa72.2420547@mailhost.primenet.com> References: <1.5.4b11.16.19960307160137.5a97920a@mailhost.world.net> In-Reply-To: <1.5.4b11.16.19960307160137.5a97920a@mailhost.world.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99d/32.168 Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Thu, 7 Mar 1996 15:06:44 +1000 (EST), you wrote: >Can anybody give a definitive answer regading the authenticity of the >Newman machine ?? >One minute the guy's being whipped as a B/Shi*t artist the next he's got a >ligitimate claim ?????? > >What's the script here ? > >Thanx > >Ascot > Yeah, what's the deal here? I keep hearing conflicting views on all these different devices. Has anyone witnessed the Newman Machine or any other in action? I want to experiment but don't want to waste money on a fools errand... John Tannius Knight Of The Celestial Dragon. Defender of dragons defeater of alien armadas. Professional adventurer for hire. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Mar 7 04:33:30 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id EAA05123 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 04:32:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from wpo.it.luc.edu (wpo.it.luc.edu [147.126.102.16]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id EAA05117 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 04:32:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from LUCHICAGO-Message_Server by wpo.it.luc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 07 Mar 1996 06:32:22 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 06:34:17 -0600 From: John Payne To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Cc: JPAYNE@wpo.it.luc.edu Subject: fnrg: Searching Archives Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Can someone point me in the right direction to search for very old (late 1800s or early 1900s) patent descriptions. Can this even be done on the WWW ? Thanks John Payne jpayne@luc.edu From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Mar 7 04:41:07 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id EAA05831 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 04:40:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from agora.stm.it (agora.stm.it [194.20.43.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id EAA05678 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 04:38:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from [19.0.2.1] (agora.stm.it [194.20.43.1]) by agora.stm.it (8.6.8.1/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA18462 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 13:38:45 GMT Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 13:38:45 GMT Message-Id: <199603071338.NAA18462@agora.stm.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: j.hasslberger@agora.stm.it (Josef Hasslberger) Subject: Re: fnrg: Newman demonstration, any eye witnesses ? Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >>During the ENTIRE 12 hours that the Neman Motor/Generator pumped water, the >>house watt >>meter dial DID NOT MOVE. Moreover, for the entire 12 hour period the Newman >>Motor/Generator ran COOL. The news media, city officials and representatives >>of the local power >>company observed and corroborated these results. > >Can anybody give a definitive answer regading the authenticity of the >Newman machine ?? >One minute the guy's being whipped as a B/Shi*t artist the next he's got a >ligitimate claim ?????? > >What's the script here ? > Really the script is that anyone will have to use their grey matter and make up their own mind as to whether Newman may have a valid invention or not. It really does not matter what other people think. You are the only judge. Wanting confirmation from others is a sure way to being misled one way or the other. You look at the data (try to get as much of it and as well documented as possible) but make up your own mind. Only this way will we ever be able to overcome the barriers that stand in the way of new energy being actually applied. Regards - Josef Josef Hasslberger Rampa Brancaleone 25, 00165 Rome, Italy j.hasslberger@agora.stm.it From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Mar 7 06:03:22 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id FAA13169 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 05:53:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from gremlin.greenville.lib.sc.us ([199.249.190.57]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id FAA13156 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 05:53:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 05:53:45 -0800 (PST) From: johndee@gremlin.greenville.lib.sc.us Message-Id: <199603071353.FAA13156@mail.eskimo.com> Received: from [199.249.190.57] by gremlin.greenville.lib.sc.us id 46cb0.wrk; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 08:54:22 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: fnrg: Newman demonstration, any eye witnesses To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <147569@gremlin.greenville.lib.sc.us> X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.14 Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On 7 Mar 1996, freenrg-list@eskimo.com wrote: > >>During the ENTIRE 12 hours that the Neman Motor/Generator pumped water, the >>house watt >>meter dial DID NOT MOVE. Moreover, for the entire 12 hour period the Newman >>Motor/Generator ran COOL. The news media, city officials and representatives >>of the local power >>company observed and corroborated these results. > >Can anybody give a definitive answer regading the authenticity of the >Newman machine ?? >One minute the guy's being whipped as a B/Shi*t artist the next he's got a >ligitimate claim ?????? > >What's the script here ? > >Thanx > >Ascot > > > > > Ah, its ego my man! The old not invented here syndrome! In my opinion, I don't think Joe Newman would spend the money he has spent for the past number of years just for crap and giggles! From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Mar 7 07:10:09 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id HAA23812 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 07:07:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from xs1.xs4all.nl (root@xs1.xs4all.nl [193.78.33.42]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA23783 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 07:06:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from robert (asd05-11.dial.xs4all.nl) by xs1.xs4all.nl with SMTP id AA03571 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 7 Mar 1996 16:06:48 +0100 Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 16:06:48 +0100 Message-Id: <199603071506.AA03571@xs1.xs4all.nl> X-Sender: robert@xs4all.nl X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: robert@xs4all.nl (robert de geus) Subject: Re: fnrg: Searching Archives Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Can someone point me in the right direction to search for very old (late >1800s or early 1900s) patent descriptions. Can this even be done on the >WWW ? >Thanks > >John Payne jpayne@luc.edu > > > Try: http://patents.cnidr.org:4242/access/search-simp.html From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Mar 7 13:06:57 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id NAA07618 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 13:04:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA07590; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 13:03:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from s1c1p0.aa.net (s1c1p0.aa.net [204.157.220.172]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA16656; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 12:50:36 -0800 Message-Id: <199603072050.MAA16656@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 08 Mar 1996 12:50:07 +0800 To: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule), freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: Michael Mandeville Subject: fnrg: The Joe Newman Challenge Cc: vortex-L@eskimo.com Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 08:21 PM 3/6/96 -0800, you wrote: >MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing >Michael Mandeville, publisher >mwm@aa.net >http://www.aa.net/~mwm > >Dear Mr. Mandeville: > >Having received email from an overseas "bulletin board," with the following >message above your name, I am going to assume that you wrote the following >words: [If you did not write these words, then this message does not apply >to you, and I apologize if this is the case. However, for the purposes of >this letter, I am going to assume that you did write these words and that >it does therefore apply to you.] > >The message (supposedly above your signature) states: > > snip > > >Well, Mr. Mandeville, since --- as Joseph Newman would say --- you like to >"run your mouth off," I speak very little. When I speak, I speak with certainty. People who make gratuitous, patronizing comments like "you like to run your mouth off" are in fact simply running their mouth off as a part of their dominance assertion. >let's see if you have the courage to "put your money >where your mouth is" and accept Joseph Newman's challenge --- and he also, >"does not use his words lightly." > >Evan Soule > Evan, I would very much like to see if Mr. Newman has the courage of his convinctions. I fail to see what money has to do with it. > >THIS IS THE CHALLENGE, MR. MANDEVILLE: > > >To: Michael Mandeville: > >I, Joseph Westley Newman (601) 947-7147, challenge Michael Mandeville to >"put your money where your mouth is." > >We will each put up $10,000.00 cash and pick a time and place that will be >publicly attended by the newsmedia and all other interested parties. > >An oscilloscope will be used to determine if there is a battery voltage >rise on the battery pack of 6-volt dry cell batteries connected to my >Motor/Generator system while it operates a 42-inch fan blade attached to >the shaft of my Motor/Generator. > >Objective people (including scientists of my choosing and your choosing) >will be asked to observe and present their findings on the oscilloscope >readings as my Motor/Generator produces mechanical torque. > >If it is demonstrated that there is no battery voltage rise in the battery >connected to my Motor/Generator system, then I will immediately pay you >$10,000.00 cash. If it is demonstrated that there is a battery voltage >rise in the battery connected to my Motor/Generator system, then you will >immediately pay me $10,000.00 cash. > I do not consider these terms to be worthy of my time. See below for my counter-challenge. >In fact, Jacob Rabinow -- a so-called "expert" with the National Bureau of >Standards -- has already set the standards of judging my technology when he >once said, "The Newman invention working as a motor would be highly >inefficient -- less than 10% efficient." The results of the >above-described test totally proves the opposite! I totally fail to comprehend the logical structure of this paragraph. >If you do not accept these terms, then you are either a coward and a liar >or a plant by the power brokers. > This is awfully juvinile. People who use either/or logic to straightjacket a dare are playing the same games 13 year olds play when they are first testing their concept of macho. I can think of about 100 additional possibilities. Possibly I am stupid. Possibly I have superior technology. Possibly I am ignorant. Possibly I just don't give a damn. Possibly you are crazy. Etc. Etc. Etc. Let's grow up here, and deal with the real world. > >Joseph Westley Newman > > >Route 1, Box 52, Lucedale, Mississippi 39452 >(601) 947-7147 > > The challenge you send me is a penny-ante huckster's game. Let me invite you into the real world and give you a challenge to meet which will make you a multi-billionaire within two years, if you can meet the challenge. Are you man enough to put your integrity on the line and put up your invention for scientific verification or shut up? If you can do what you claim to do in a manner which can be trully verified by people who are objective and/or are quite accepting of the theoretical potential of over-unity, you will create news of world importance and many power brokers of the planet will beat a path to your door and pay homage and ply you with multi-billion dollar deals. That is the real world. This reality is flowing right now for other people. It is a true reality. This reality does not flow from claims. It flows from DO. Just damn DO it. The best methodolgy I can recommend to you from my own knowledge is this: Vortex-L is an invitational, private listserv on the InterNet which has many scientists, engineers, experimenters, inventors, technicians, and others of some considerable talent. This private listserv exists precisely to assist and test radical new claims which fly in the face of traditional theories in physics and energy. This group does not function like a newsgroup. It has certain rules of conduct and expectations. The primary rules are integrity and open-mindedness. This group in the past twelve months has delved into many things. Few have panned out. Some things are cooking, such as the Patterson Cell. The collective ability of this group is pretty awesome. Many of the members of this group are actively "in the hunt" for over unity principles. Those in the hunt are eager to find stuff which they can prove to work. Others are curious in one way or another and lend their expertise. The intellectual level of this group is very high but not condescending. They are not stuffy. Critical, very critical, yes. But not stuffy, condescending, or determined to prove you wrong just because they have a stick you know where. The group will have some initial strong doubts because you have already unknowingly dealt with one or more of them pretty shabbily. But even so, you could overcome that. This group has the ability to decisively prove you right or wrong. If you are proven right, clearly and scientifically, you will find access to many keys to many superlative doors...to fame and money. Since you are clearly and undeniably on record for establishing the priority of your claims, at this point you can freely and clearly divulge your invention. It is your only course of action to achieve the proof and recognition you say you deserve. If you have the goods, you have to lay them on the table and allow other people to pick them up and examine them. That is the real world. The world does not in any manner operate in any other way. Inventors who do not understand this spend their lives in frustration. My challenge to you is to relay the electrical/magnetic specifics of your motor principles in posts to this group. Define what it does. Define how you think you know that. Then, ask the group to define how your device should be properly rigged with sensors and probes to measure it operations. Answer their questions. They will debate it for a while and a course of acceptable action will emerge. If it proves out, the doors will begin to open...and your struggle will be over (if you have good business/legal advisors). Are you honest and man enough to accept this golden challenge? You invited me to a carnival wrestling match which would have accomplished very little. I have invited you to a decisive end to your struggle for acceptance. How say you, Joe Newman? ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Mar 8 03:53:51 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id DAA14335 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 03:48:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id DAA14324 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 03:48:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.4) id DAA21441; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 03:48:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 03:48:42 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: DOUSING, PENDULUMS, SURGING: = clairsentience Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --- FORWARDED --- Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 16:21:37 -0700 (MST) To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: brian@lascruces.com (Brian O'Neill) Subject: Re: fnrg: DOUSING, PENDULUMS, SURGING: = clairsent ience Jim, I would really appreciate it if you would send me some info about how you did this alph/theta mind tuning. Did you use a mind machine? Bio feedback? How long did it take to get results? any personal techniques, hints, tips, etc? Any info would be greatly appreciated. I have a Mind Gear 'XCLR8R II' with the L/S Turbo Charger, one set of amber and 1 set of mult-color goggles. I am just starting to mess with it, so I thought I would ask someone who has gotten positive results for some info. ...snip... >For your second question......once you get deeply involved in alpha/theta >practice the right people and situations seem to gravitate to you at the >right time. It's the morphic inter-consciousness connection at work. > ....snip.... >And what's more....I expect this type of synchronicity to keep happening >because I've tuned my mind with all this alpha/theta practice to MAKE it happen. >Once you start using your mind *as you wre intended to use it* events just >happen. >....Never ceases to amaze me... > >Jim > > > Brian brian@lascruces.com From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Mar 8 03:55:22 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id DAA14849 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 03:54:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id DAA14831 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 03:54:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.4) id DAA21645; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 03:54:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 03:54:30 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: The Energy Technology of Joseph Newman, SPECIAL REPORT Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --- FORWARDED --- Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:55:19 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Heywood To: @minnie.nic.kingston.ibm.com:freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: The Energy Technology of Joseph Newman, SPECIAL REPORT (fwd) Actually, I don't have such a negative impression of Newman as those who have been responding to my post of Newman's "rant". He's a bit of a flake, yes, but personality is excusable :-) He's just frustrated out of his mind. Anyway, I might as well post a couple of other things from him that I just got ahold of... maybe people will not react so harshly. Todd Heywood here's one, another follows in another post. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 12:16:29 -0800 From: Evan Soule To: Todd Heywood Subject: The Energy Technology of Joseph Newman, SPECIAL REPORT The Energy Technology of Joseph Newman, SPECIAL REPORT THE FOLLOWING IS A SPECIAL REPORT CONCERNING THE ENERGY MACHINE OF JOSEPH N= EWMAN "A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it." -- MAX PLANCK What I am going to suggest to you in this Special Report is more than simply 'a genuine improvement in electrical technology,' but rather a significant paradigm shift which may challenge some of the fundamental beliefs held today in electrical theory. While I don't know you personally, I am hoping that you, the reader, possess the gift of intellectual honesty, i.e., a willingness to look at the facts regardless of one's predispositions and/or prejudices. My personal background is history and science, and I have devoted the past twenty years to studying the history of physics -- especially with regard to invention and the great difficulties major innovators have had in presenting their achievements to society. In many instances the history of physics (science) has taught me that "the greater the innovation -- the greater the resistance." This is very unfortunate for the progress of humanity. I am hoping that the independence of your thinking will give you the freedom to view a new technology, a new paradigm -- with the open-mindedness and intellectual honesty of Planck's 'new generation.' Allow me to present to you a sterling example of "intellectual dishonesty": this brief story involves a young upstart thinker by the name of Galileo Galilei and a most distinguished Professor of Philosophy at Padua University by the name of Cesare Cremonini. One may ask today, "Who is Cesare Cremonini?" Yet four hundred years ago, Cremonini was the well-known and famous professor and Galileo Galilei was a virtually unknown original thinker. Once upon a time (so the story goes), this young thinker Galileo claimed to have discovered "mountains on the moon" by virtue of the utilization of a new tool called the telescope. Naively believing that other thinkers and professors would welcome this discovery, Galileo invited professor Cremonini to view these moon mountains for himself through the telescope. Cremonini chided Galileo for his insanity since, as everyone knows, "the moon cannot contain protuberances or blemishes since Aristotle has said that the moon is a perfect sphere." Galileo replied, "I don't care what Aristotle said, simply come look through my telescope and see for yourself." "No, Galileo, my young friend," responded Cremonini, "I KNOW that there are no mountains on the moon." Professor Cremonini then opened the book of Aristotle to the appropriate page and 'proved' that Galileo could not possibly be correct. But Galileo was insistent. "If you just look through the telescope you will see that Aristotle was incorrect," he said to Cremonini. Then Professor Cremonini responded by saying, "No Galileo, I will NOT look through that confounded tube of yours. But IF I did look and if I DID see mountains on the moon, then I would know that you have simply enchanted me." This, dear reader, is intellectual dishonesty. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- I am asking you, the reader, in this Special Report to be willing to "look through the tube." And the "tube" here represents a new understanding of electromagnetism. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- You may ask, "How could this be so?" One may maintain that in a post-Faraday electrical society, everything that can be known about electromagnetism is known. In response to this position, I ask that you consider the quotation of Charles H. Duell, Director of the Patent Office in 1899: "Everything that can be invented has been invented." But before I present an introduction to the new technology in question, permit me to introduce its inventor -- Joseph W. Newman. [In my study of the history of science, I have discovered a passion for biography, i.e., by knowing something of the inventor one acquires a much greater depth, richness and appreciation for the significance of the innovation. In addition, biographies allow the reader to learn something of the personal struggles of the great thinkers and inventors of history.] Who is Joseph Newman? He is an original thinker who has educated himself over the past forty years in physics, chemistry, astronomy and many other areas which have intrigued him. The focus of his life has become his work in electromagnetics which he began developing over thirty years ago. And he is not a starry-eyed theoretician. Since he has made his living by inventing, he has discovered a need to remain grounded in reality, in practical applications of his concepts. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- These quotations are from scientists who have endorsed Joseph Newman's work= : "The future of the human race may be dramatically uplifted by the large-scale, commercial development of this invention." -- Dr. Roger Hastings, Principal Physicist, UNISYS CORPORATION "If the manner in which Joseph Newman conducted his experiments and the results were made known to the industrial or engineering community then, in my opinion, several companies and/or individuals possess the expertise and capabilities to construct the hardware required to fully exploit the apparent capability of his new concepts." -- Dr. Robert E. Smith Chief, Orbital and Space Environment Branch, George C. Marshall Space Flight Center, NASA "You have opened an area in Astrophysics which may revolutionize the magnetic energy problems which is now the most paramount problem in future energy and space travel. I do believe with proper research funds, the results would not only be a great financial boom to your financiers, but would lead to developments that will be practical and beneficial to all mankind and develop a new step in science." -- Dr. E. L. Moragne, MORAGNE RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT CO. [Dr. Moragne was an electromagnetic pioneer in the development of the first atomic bomb.] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- Better than 30 physicists, nuclear engineers, electrical engineers and electrical technicians have signed Affidavits attesting to the validity of his invention: an electromagnetic motor/generator that could supply every American's home, farm, business, automobile and appliance with electrical power at a fraction of the present cost. But before I discuss the invention itself, permit me to digress a moment about magnetism. Over the years I have posed this questions to professors of electrical engineering: "What is the mechanical essence of magnetism?" The standard reply is vague at best, but includes such answers as, "It consists of lines of force and action at a distance; potential energy." The fifth edition of the Modern Dictionary of Electronics by Rudolf F. Graf [published by Howard W. Sams & Co., Inc., Indianapolis, Indiana] defines magnetism as: "A property possessed by certain materials by which these materials can exert mechanical force on neighboring masses of magnetic materials and can cause voltages to be inducted in conducting bodies moving relative to the magnetized bodies." And, lines of force are defined as: "In an electric or magnetic field, an imaginary line in the same direction as the field intensity at each point. Sometimes called a maxwell when used as a unit of magnetic flux." These definitions seem superficially fine, but fail to specifically address the real question: "What is the mechanical essence of magnetism?" "Of what do these 'imaginary lines of force' consist?" "What is the real nature of mechanical force -- what physically causes such action at the most fundamental level?" These questions perplexed Michael Faraday, who said: "How few understand the physical (emphasis added) lines of force! They will not see them, yet all the researches on the subject tend to confirm the views I put forth many years since. Thompson of Glasgow seems almost the only one who acknowledges them. He is perhaps the nearest to understanding what I meant. I am content to wait convinced as I am of the truth of my views." [Although he had only a 7th grade, formal education, Faraday was a mechanical genius.] I must postulate that if Faraday were alive today he would claim that because of the manner in which electric motors are constructed today -- utilizing high current and low voltage -- we have yet to discover the true nature of electromagnetism. Joseph Newman unequivocally states that all electrical motors built to date are constructed with built-in inefficiencies since they should be operating with low current and high voltage. [But I am jumping ahead of myself at this point.] Back to Faraday . . . One man truly understood Faraday's mechanical genius and was capable of translating his mechanical work into mathematics: James Clerk Maxwell -- a towering genius and innovator in science. Maxwell specifically wrote the following: "The theory I propose may . . . be called a theory of the Electromagnetic Field because it has to do with the space in the neighborhood of the electric or magnetic bodies, and it may be called a Dynamical Theory, because it assumes that in that space there is matter in motion, by which the observed electromagnetic phenomena are produced." (Emphasis added.) Maxwell even went on to add: "In speaking of the Energy of the field, however, I wish to be understood literally. All energy is the same as mechanical energy, whether it exists in the form of motion or in that of elasticity, or in any other form. The energy in electromagnetic phenomena is mechanical energy." (Emphasis added.) Matter in motion. Back in the early 1960's Joseph Newman wondered what was the mechanical essence, the nature, of this "matter in motion." In Chapter Two of his book -- THE ENERGY MACHINE OF JOSEPH NEWMAN -- Joseph Newman describes the fundamental essence of a magnetic field as a particle having a "gyroscopic spin." This gyroscopic action is fundamental to understanding the mechanical nature of electromagnetism. When one understands the gyroscopic characteristics of the matter in motion contained within an electromagnetic field, then one begins to recognize a better mechanical means of harnessing this kinetic energy. To generate the largest possible magnetic field within a copper coil and therefore to have access to greater numbers of "matter in motion" -- (for purposes of simplicity of understanding, Joseph Newman refers to this matter in motion as gyroscopic particles) -- one must input large amounts of voltage to achieve maximum atom alignment in the copper coil. When this high voltage input occurs, the copper coil atoms release their kinetic energy in the form of a magnetic field. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - Joseph Newman has discovered a highly efficient means to harness this magnetic energy emanating from the copper coil. And Joseph Newman takes this a step farther by stating that these gyroscopic particles represent the mechanical essence of Einstein's equation of E=3Dmc2. He states that these gyroscopic particles spin at the speed of light and move in a given direction (lines of force) at the speed of light, and are thus the mechanical equivalent of E=3Dmc2. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - Nearly twelve years ago, it took me about three weeks to really understand Joseph Newman's mechanical explanation of magnetism. I repeatedly studied the diagrams until I grasped what he was trying to say. As a result of understanding his explanation of magnetism I observed a simple magnetic phenomena which was elegantly explained by Joseph Newman's mechanical work in magnetism (see Chapter Three of his book). I submit the following quotation from Ken Arno, Re-search Director at G.E.R.D., Co.: "I can speak with a 'personal knowledge' and 'hands-on-experience' when I talk about the collapsing magnetic field phenomena in a coil. We here at G.E.R.D. Co. and everyone else who makes use of electrical circuits have always considered the collapsing field effect to be a nuisance because, when using a mechanical relay coil in an electronic circuit, it would cause a current to be pumped back into our circuit, creating havoc. "One solution to the problem of C.E.M.F. was to install a diode across the coil leads and when the power was removed, the C.E.M.F. caused a current to flow which passed through the diode and to be dissipated as heat in the coil itself and not in our circuit. "The fact that this effect has for over one hundred years been viewed as a problem to be designed out of electrical systems is the reason no one until you, Joseph Newman, had seriously considered it as a source of abundant free energy. Everyone knew it was there, but no one recognized its potential." I submit the following from a Letter to the Editor of the Mobile Press Regi= ster: "Never having met, talked with, nor had financial dealings with Joseph Newman, I read his book, The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman. After 30 years in the electrical profession I felt eminently qualified to debunk his claim to a device that generated more energy than it consumes. In the second chapter, I sat up in bed and shouted, 'He's got it!'" --- Patrick McLain, Mobile, Alabama I don't wish to dampen Mr. McLain's enthusiasm for this technology and, although his comments are well-intentioned, Mr. McLain is laboring under the superficial conclusion that Joseph Newman's motor "generates more energy than it consumes." This is simply not the case. In fact, the motor does generate greater external energy output than external energy input. This technology does not violate the Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy. On the contrary -- this technology further corroborates the Laws of Thermodynamics, i.e., the only way one will achieve the internal production of energy within the system is by supplying the system with high voltage (and low current) to align the copper atoms in the coil. Joseph Newman supplies an external electrical stimulus to his coil (and special commutator system) that generates the magnetic field containing the gyroscopic particles (matter in motion). This external electrical stimulus takes the form of high voltage -- and the higher the better until maximum atom alignment of the coil is achieved. At the same time the current is kept as low as possible to minimize resistance; thereby the Newman motor always runs "cool." The externally applied high voltage is not "consumed" by the system -- it operates in the same manner as the hydraulic system in an automobile. The reservoir of brake fluid is not "used up" but supplies a continual hydraulic pressure to the automobile's brake system. In a similar fashion the high input voltage (and low current) acts as an electrical 'hydraulic' pressure to continually realign the atoms within the motor's copper coil. The continual collapse and expansion of the copper coil's magnetic field creates the mechanical torque of the motor. (The special commutator system achieves this continual collapse and expansion of the magnetic field.) The net increase of external electrical energy from the system directly comes from the energy produced internally within the copper coil. This net energy is greater than the small amount of current originally inputed into the system along with the high voltage. In the final analysis where is the excess energy coming from? Answer: from the atoms of the copper coil within the motor/generator. Dr. Roger Hastings, a physicist who has worked extensively with Joseph Newman over a number of years, has calculated that this system is so conversion efficient that it may take decades (or far longer) to be able to measure any appreciable mass loss in the coil. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- This brings me to a discussion of efficiency. If Joseph Newman's motor/generator system is viewed as a whole -- considering both external energy and internal energy -- then the total energy output for the system is equal to the total external and internal energy input combined. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- Such a process is fully in accordance with the First Law of Thermodynamics! When the system is viewed as a whole, it is imprecise to say that the Newman motor/generator simply "produces more than it consumes." However, it is correct to say that "the external energy output is greater than the external energy input" -- an external energy input considered independently of the large internal energy produced by the Newman motor/generator. In other words, the revolutionary nature of this system is the fact that Joseph Newman has discovered a new electromagnetic principle of nature and has innovated a technology capable of converting matter (copper coil) into energy (in accordance with E=3Dmc2) via a highly efficient electromagnetic reaction rather than an inefficient fission reaction. Those who state that "one can never build a device which exceeds 100% efficiency" do not understand the nature of the phenomenal efficiencies (in excess of 800%) produced by the Newman motor/generator. Such a statement demonstrates an inability to distinguish between CONVERSION efficiency and PRODUCTION efficiency. To state that Joseph Newman's motor/generator is 8.2 production efficient, i.e., that it produces over eight times as much external energy output as external energy input, is different from stating that the invention approaches 100% conversion efficiency, i.e., that it converts the internal mass of the copper coil into energy in accordance with E=3Dmc2. The former process involves production efficiency and the latter process involves conversion efficiency. These two different types of efficiencies should not be confused. In his motor/generator system, the electromagnetic conversion (of matter to energy) efficiency approaches 100% [rather than the less than 1% conversion (of matter to energy) efficiency of a typical nuclear fission reaction.] The production efficiency of the Newman energy machine has been found to be in excess of 800%, i.e., over eight times as much external energy output as external energy input. Consider the following crude analogy of a nuclear fission reactor to Joseph Newman's motor/generator: a typical nuclear reactor consists of a small amount of external electrical energy being inputed into the reactor station to turn on lights, activate control panels, start machinery, etc. The large external energy produced by the reactor, however, is the result of the nuclear fission process which internally occurs within the system. As a result of such an internal fission process, external electrical energy is produced in the system. If, however, one ignores the internal energy and only considers the initial, small external energy input, then one could say that the net external electrical energy output produced by a nuclear reactor is greater than the external electrical energy input. The important distinction, however, between a conventional nuclear reactor and Joseph Newman's motor/generator is that the former is less than 1% conversion efficient and the latter approaches 100% conversion efficiency. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - In essence, Joseph Newman has integrated the work of Faraday with that of Einstein and has created a motor technology that will bring us into the 21st century. One may say that "this is too good to be true." Is this -- our current electrical technology -- the BEST that we can do? Is there no expectation that we may achieve a deeper understanding of electromagnetism which will allow us to build fundamentally different (and more efficient) motors? Could one not conceive that such a revolutionary technology could be achieved in fifty years? One hundred years? One thousand years? Can anyone really believe that our traditional motor/electromagnetic technology is the technology that will be utilized five thousand years from now? But why must we wait five thousand years? Why not in a hundred years? Why not in fifty years? Why not NOW. You may say, "Well, why hasn't it been done before now?" My response: why did the Wright Brothers 'wait' until 1903 to invent the aeroplane? Things happen when they do, I suppose . . . often in spite of tremendous ignorance, apathy and hostility. Christian Morgenstern summed it up quite well when he said: "The obvious is that which is never seen until someone expresses it simply.= " In its essence, Joseph Newman's technology is the model of simplicity. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- Since 1979, Joseph Newman has spent over $1,000,000 in legal fees battling U. S. patent office bureaucrats in an effort to secure a patent for his revolutionary invention. He has now secured patent rights! The Wright Brothers had to battle Patent Office bureaucrats all the way to the Supreme Court to secure a patent for their invention since they were told that it was impossible for man to fly in a "heavier-than-air machine." On Thursday, August 10, 1995, Joseph Newman demonstrated his newest production model of his motor/generator: from 8:00AM to 8:00PM -- and attached to a Grainger Reciprocating Pump -- the Newman Motor/Generator pumped 1 gallon of water per minute at 12 PSI at the Lucedale, Mississippi City Park. The voltage source was a local alternating current connection from the city grid to the Newman Motor/Generator through a conventional house watt meter. Keep in mind that the Newman Motor/Generator utilizes the voltage (simply to act as "pressure" to align the atoms within the copper coil) but NOT the current from the city grid. For 12 hours both the Newman Motor/Generator and the conventional motor operated side-by-side. When a conventional motor was operated on this city grid system the house watt meter proceeded to turn, indicating that external electrical energy was being consumed. During the entire 12 hours that the Newman Motor/Generator pumped water, the house watt meter did not move. Moreover, for the entire 12 hour period the Newman Motor/Generator ran cool, contrary to the conventional motor which became quite warm after hours of operation. The city officials and representatives of the local power station observed and corroborated these results. This technology is ready to go forward into production. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - WHAT CAN YOU DO? (This section is for everyone in general...) 1) Tell your friends and associates about the new technology. 2) If you are mechanically inclined and have at least a fundamental understand of electrical circuitry, you are invited to construct a prototype for yourself and demonstrate the remarkable nature of this technology. An 8-year-old girl built a small prototype of the Newman Energy Machine and won 1st place in her science fair! [Of course, the fact that her father was an electrical engineer probably didn't hurt!] We recently received a VHS tape from a mechanically-gifted individual in Philadelphia who constructed a Newman energy machine from having read the book, THE ENERGY MACHINE OF JOSEPH NEWMAN. We had no prior contact or knowledge of this individual, yet he corroborated Joseph Newman's results. This VHS tape is featured on a special VHS tape recently produced (see below) 3) We are looking for manufacturers who would be interested in producing Newman Motor/Generators. Contact the address below. 4) We are building up a list of mechanically-gifted individuals such that, as manufacturers begin to generate this technology, they will have a pool of individuals to draw from who are familiar with Joseph Newman's work. 5) Joseph Newman's fundamental, 450-page, hardcover book ($74.95), 7th Edition [ISBN: 0-9613835-7-7] which features over 150 illustrations, charts, graphs, and photographs can be ordered from: Joseph Newman Publishing Company, Route 1, Box 52, Lucedale, Mississippi 39452. This book represents over thirty years of research on the part of Joseph Newman. In some cases, you can ask your library to purchase this book, or, many libraries across the country already have earlier editions which you can borrow via interlibrary loans. 6) Obtain a copy of the recently-produced VHS tape of the Special Demonstration on February 5, 1996 at the Adams Mark Hotel in Mobile, Alabama. This VHS tape ($30.00) available from Joseph Newman Publishing Company, features the Philadelphia version of Joseph Newman's energy machine, as well as considerable additional information. Also on the tape is a simple, inexpensive and repeatable demonstration that would make an excellent student project for a science fair. This demonstration proves conclusively that traditional electrical engineering has been harboring a 170-year-old fallacy that has resulted in all motors being constructed with built-in efficiencies! This fallacy is the belief that the strength of the magnetic field surrounding a copper conductor coil comes from the input CURRENT. THIS IS FALSE! The strength of the magnetic field surrounding a copper conductor coil comes from the ATOMS OF THE COPPER WIRE as aligned by the input VOLTAGE.....NOT the CURRENT. And the greater the input VOLTAGE (up to maximum atom alignment of the atoms in the copper coil) the stronger the magnetic field surrounding the coil and hence, the greater the back-emf. For additional information, contact: Joseph Newman Publishing Company, Route 1, Box 52, Lucedale, MS 39452 USA or Evan Soul=E9 Director of Information Newman Energy Products (504) 524-3063 email: josephnewman@earthlink.net Post Office Box 57684 New Orleans, Louisiana 70157-7684 United States of America From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Mar 8 03:56:03 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id DAA14913 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 03:55:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id DAA14907 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 03:55:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.4) id DAA21674; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 03:55:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 03:55:22 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: The Energy Technology of Joseph Newman, Affidavits & Evaluation Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 12:18:04 -0800 From: Evan Soule To: Todd Heywood Subject: The Energy Technology of Joseph Newman, Affidavits & Evaluation The Energy Technology of Joseph Newman, Affidavits & Evaluation DISCLOSURE DOCUMENT Joseph Newman disclosed and demonstrated to me his 130-pound motor/generator (Editor's Note: an earlier prototype) with reciprocating magnet armature, operating with high voltage input. The primary problem which has been encountered in the past with scaling the Newman motors to large and practical output power levels was the need to go to higher voltage input, and the destruction which occured when the coil was switched at higher voltages. Joseph Newman has not solved the high voltage switching problem with a new commutator design (Note: as well as a new capacitor design), and it appears that arbitrarily high input voltages can now be reached. The significance of high voltage on the Newman Motor/Generator is that our data show that 1) the output power increases as the square of the input voltage; 2) the input power increases linearly with the voltage; 3) the motor efficiency increases linearly with the voltage; 4) output power levels required, for example, to power a home will require input voltages estimated at ten to twenty kilovolts. The 130-pound Newman Motor/Generator was operated at 1,000 and 2,000 volts battery input (Editor's Note: later versions can be operated utilizing the voltage of the city grid with the current kept very low), with output powers of 50 and 200 Watts, respectively. Input power in these tests were 7 and 14 Watts, yielding efficiencies (Editor's Note: production, not conversion efficiencies --- conversion efficiencies can never exceed 100%) of 700% and 1,400% respectively. In addition, the motor was operated for the first time using a high voltage transformer plugged into the a.c. power socket. The transformer output voltage was roughly 2,000 volts. The input power was readily measured using an a.c. milliammeter to be 25 Watts, while the output was measured again at approximately 200 Watts. The higher input in this case reflects the inefficiency of the transformer. It now appears to me that the Newman Motor/Generator can be readily scaled to power levels which will make it practical for commercial and home energy needs. The above statements are true and accurate to the best of my knowledge. Roger Hastings, Ph.D. Principal Physicist, Unisys Corp. Former Associate Professor of Physics North Dakota State University To whom it may concern: I witnessed a demonstration of Joseph Newman's Motor/Generator prototype (Editor's Note: an earlier prototype) in Atlanta, Georgia. Newman's Motor/Generator weighed approximately 10 lbs, consisting of copper and a powerful magnet rotor. The rotor was attached to a 15 inch fan blade taken from a commercial fan. Newman's Motor/Generator turned the fan blade at approximately 660 r.p.m. It was connected through a mechanical commutator to 2,500 volts of dry cell batteries. The d.c. input current was 1.8 mA, for a total power input of 4.5 Watts. Also displayed was a commercial fan with a five-inch blade. This fan was advertised as an energy saving motor. Examination of the motor revealed a precision motor design. It drew 25 Watts during operation. Newman's Motor/Generator was obviously doing several times the work of the commercial motor, while drawing 5.5 times less power. A later experiment was performed in Mississippi in which a commerical fan with an identical 15-inch blade was powered from a Variac and run at the same speed as the Newman Motor/Generator. The commercial fan drew 30 Watts compared to the Newman Motor/Generator's 4.5 Watts. It should also be noted that a 15 Watt flourescent tube, connected across Newman's Motor/Generator coil to prevent sparking, was simultaneously lit to perhaps one-fourth of its full brightness. Also, as in past prototypes, a large negative current (r.f. envelope) flows back into the battery from the motor/generator coil. My testing, and observations of Newman prototypes which are electronically commutated, indicate that Newman's fan prototype can be improved to run on external input of about 2 Watts. Thus further development can lead to a fan motor which consumes 1/15th the power of an efficiently-designed commercial motor. I swear that the above statements are true and accurate to the best of my knowledge. Roger Hastings, Ph.D. Principal Physicist, Unisys Corp. Former Associate Professor of Physics North Dakota State University Edited by: Evan Soul=E9 email: josephnewman@earthlink.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Evaluation of Joseph Newman's Revolutionary Energy Machine There are two equations that predict the terminal voltage of a battery when it is connected to a motor or generator (from Shortley & Williams Elements of Physics, 2nd Edition). VT is the terminal voltage. VE is the rated voltage. I is the current. RI is the internal resistance of the battery: 1) Connected to a motor: VT =3D VE - IRI 2) Connected to a generator: VT =3D VE + IRI As a result of the internal resistance RI , the voltage at the battery terminals VT connected to a running motor will always be less than the voltage V that is present when the motor is not running. To convince yourself of this let I =3D 0 (motor not running), and the equation becomes: VT =3D VE which means that the voltage measured by an accurate instrumen= t at the battery terminals VT will be exactly equal to the rated output voltage VE of the battery (assuming a battery in good condition). Now, let the motor run and draw a current I > 0. With the motor running, the voltage measured at the terminal VT will always be less than the rated voltage of the battery VE . Joseph Newman's motor, with battery terminal voltages measured by the most accurate measuring instrument available, a state-of-the-art electronic oscilloscope, shows a marked increase in the terminal voltage, VT . In other words, Mr. Newman's machine runs like a generator, not a convention motor, as one can easily tell by inspecting Equation 2) above. Equation 2) clearly shows that if the terminal voltage rises while current is flowing through a device, the device must be generating a source of current I in the opposite direction to that supplied by the battery. During early prototypes, the reverse current was difficult to measure, even with an oscilloscope, because the huge spike of reverse current flooded the circuits of the measuring oscilloscope. In Mr. Newman's current prototypes, the large capacitors store the energy of the spike of the reverse current and spread the energy out over time. The result is that the terminal voltage increases dramatically, indicating decisively that Mr. Newman's machine is a generator, not just a motor. Robert Joseph Matherne, Physicist [from Entergy Corp.,Taft Nuclear Power Plant] 217 Timberlane Road, Gretna, Louisiana 70056 February 16, 1996 Evan Soule' Director of Information Newman Energy Products From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Mar 8 03:56:57 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id DAA14976 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 03:56:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id DAA14970 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 03:56:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.4) id DAA21705; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 03:56:14 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 03:56:13 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: TO THE COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES OF THE UNITED STATES Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:06:28 -0800 From: Evan Soule To: Todd Heywood Subject: TO THE COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES OF THE UNITED STATES NEWMAN ENERGY PRODUCTS Route 1, Box 52, Lucedale, Mississippi 39452 (601) 947-7147 TO THE COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES OF THE UNITED STATES The great 19th century innovator of electromagnetism, Michael Faraday, gave personal praise to Professor Thompson of Glasgow as being almost the only one who understood him, when Michael Faraday wrote: "How few understand the physical lines of force! They will not see them, yet all the researches on the subject tend to confirm the views I put forth many years since. Thompson of Glasgow seems almost the only one who acknowledges them. He is perhaps the nearest to understanding what I meant. I am content to wait convinced as I am of the truth of my views." Michael Faraday recognized that the lines of force of a magnetic field are real, kinetic, physical, and mechanical in nature. This has been ignored in the past 150 years. Now, ironically and appropriately, history repeats itself in this century. The following is quoted from Professor Yun Li of E&EE of Glasgow following information sent to him about my work: "Thank you for sending me such an interesting article. I have forwarded the following information to some 100 colleagues. You may get queries from them. If you send further details regarding the motor, I'd be very interested in receiving them." The following letter was sent to approximately 100 colleagues of Professor Li in response to the article about my work: "What an interesting article to read! The following mentioned two Glasgow Alumni. One is "Thompson of Glasgow", i.e., William Thompson (Lord Kelvin, 1824-1907, who entered Glasgow University at age of 10). The other is James Clerk Maxwell (1831-1879). "The article described that an electric motor provides an energy as high as the nuclear energy. Do you believe it? You may not believe, probably correctly, that Maxwell's conclusion that electricity, magnetism and light were part of the same phenomenon is true for static (not steady-state) magnetism. Have magnetic mono-poles been found? We know that permanent magnet comes from the aligned gyroscopic self-spin of iron atoms. Owing to the absence of monopoles, the PM can magnetize (almost without losing its own energy) many steel iron pieces (since the flux can always close its loop on its own without the help of further external energy). On contrast, electricity cannot do static charges like this. So I believe in this article, for the energy the motor generates perhaps comes from the coil or PM losing a couple of their spinning atoms. "The underlying engineering point that this article tries to make is that atoms of a copper wire are aligned by the input voltage and thus the voltage, not the current, should be the driving force of a motor. Thus the motor needs zero current at steady-state. I remember in Wen Soong's PhD thesis, he also mentioned that in an optimal operation the back e.m.f. would be as high as the input voltage at steady-state, which means zero current and power consumption. Happy reading, Dr. Yun Li" A return letter was sent to Professor Li, thanking him for his sincere efforts on behalf of this important technology. Professor Li responded: "You are welcome. That was at least what I as an academic engineer should and could do, as I believe new inventions should not be dismissed before people understand them. Thanks again, Professor Yun Li, Glasgow" To date, and to their scholarly and historical disgrace, no college or university in the United States has had the intellectual honesty to act as Professor Yun Li concerning my life's work for humanity. Both Michael Faraday and James Clerk Maxwell would frown at such intellectual dishonesty and smile at my rigorous persistence. FACT: I now have constructed a prototype of my new energy Motor/Generator such that with a load of a 42-inch fan blade, would cause the voltage within a battery pack consisting of 6-volt dry cell batteries to increase. This has been verified by oscilloscope readings measured properly across the battery pack. FACT: All convention teachings state that the battery voltage should decrease with such a load being placed on a conventional motor. In light of the courage and scholarly honesty of Professor Li of Glasgow I say the following: What U.S. college or university will be the first institution to come forward and have me demonstrate my Motor/Generator in a college/university auditorium with students/faculty present to witness the test results for themselves and to follow the high ethics demonstrated by Professor Li of Glasgow? I thank Professor Yun Li for his overseas support and I thank in advance the first college/university that so acts. Joseph Westley Newman P.S. On February 5, 1996 I demonstrated in Mobile, Alabama that the magnetic field surrounding a coil comes from the conductor atoms, not the current. This fact reverses the historical conclusions reached by Hans Christian Oersted of Denmark in 1820. This demonstration was witnessed by over 300 people. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Mar 8 19:17:20 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id TAA21276 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 19:14:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost1.primenet.com (mailhost1.primenet.com [198.68.32.51]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA21262 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 19:13:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from usr5.primenet.com (root@usr5.primenet.com [198.68.32.15]) by mailhost1.primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id UAA12356 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 20:13:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from ip216.boi.primenet.com (ip216.boi.primenet.com [198.68.45.216]) by usr5.primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA25452 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 20:13:47 -0700 (MST) From: tannius@primenet.com (JOHN TANNIUS) To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: DOUSING, PENDULUMS, SURGING: = clairsentience Date: Sat, 09 Mar 1996 03:20:45 GMT Message-Id: <3140f74f.2368827@mailhost.primenet.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99d/32.168 Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Fri, 8 Mar 1996 03:48:42 -0800 (PST), you wrote: >>For your second question......once you get deeply involved in alpha/theta >>practice the right people and situations seem to gravitate to you at the >>right time. It's the morphic inter-consciousness connection at work. >> hmmm, Seems that I'm not the only one on the right track. I and my friend have been using meditative techniques and although I haven't won the lottery :) I have had things just happen and fall into place just by believeing that it would happen. Belief is 65-70 % of making reality... > >>And what's more....I expect this type of synchronicity to keep happening >>because I've tuned my mind with all this alpha/theta practice to MAKE it >happen. >>Once you start using your mind *as you wre intended to use it* events just >>happen. >>....Never ceases to amaze me... >> >>Jim >> Ah yes... Synchronicity. Amazing how the mind and physics work together... If anyone is interested in more of stuff like that I know a good book to read... "The Dreaming Universe" by Fred Alan Wolf, phd. If anyone has more books like that, let me know. John Tannius Knight Of The Celestial Dragon. Defender of dragons defeater of alien armadas. Professional adventurer for hire. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Mar 8 23:29:22 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id XAA25295 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 23:24:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from uucp.one.net (uucp.one.net [206.112.192.103]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA25273 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 23:24:11 -0800 (PST) From: sysop@intermax.com Received: from intermax.com (uucp@localhost) by uucp.one.net (8.7.3/8.6.9) with UUCP id BAA21536 for freenrg-list@eskimo.com; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 01:35:39 -0500 Received: by intermax.com (UUPM-1.51) id D5038sU Sat, Mar 09, 1996 01:11:33 EST Message-Id: <9603090111.D5038sU@intermax.com> X-Mailer: UUPlus Mail 1.51 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: Joseph Newman's Motors Organization: Intermax Online Date: Sat, 09 Mar 96 01:11:32 EST Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >>At 02:49 21.02.1996 EST, sysop@intermax.com wrote: >> >>I did a number of experiments where I looked at the size and color >>temperature of the arc when you disconect a massive coil. I used three >>heavy (35 pounds each) power transformers connected in series, adding >>one at a time. I found that for the same power input you get a bigger >>higher color temperature arc as you increase the mass of the coils in >>the series circuit. This inductive kick arc was dependent on the coil >>mass in the circuit. More mass gave you a higher color temperature >>arc, and thus more energy, as energy is porportional to frequency. >>e=hf. >Stefan Hartmann wrote: >That is right, same experience over here... >Only his first massive coil "monsters" had some nice >effects, the smaller you build it, the more uneffective it gets... >How did you measure the arc temperature ? I found my eyes worked better than photo cell & solar cell measurments I attempted. "The Human eye is a very good instrument: it takes only five or six photons to activate a nerve cell and send a message to the brain." -- Richard Feynman - physics nobelist, author of QED The Strange Theory of Light and Matter From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Mar 9 20:37:21 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id UAA02344 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 20:31:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA02333 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 20:31:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.4) id UAA28549; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 20:31:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 20:31:48 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Newman's challenge ! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --- FORWARDED --- Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 21:52:26 +0100 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: harti@bbtt.de (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Newman=B4s challenge ! Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 17:07:28 -0800 To: harti@bbtt.de (Stefan Hartmann) From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: CHALLENGE STANDS The following to anyone (as appropriate) and specifically to Herman Trivili= no: NEWMAN ENERGY PRODUCTS Route 1, Box 52, Lucedale, Mississippi 39452 (601) 947-7147 February 29, 1996 (Updated March 7, 1996) Subj: Original Challenge Stands To: Specific Reply to Herman Trivilino I, Joseph Westley Newman (601) 947-7147, challenge H. Trivilino to "put your money where your mouth is." We will each put up $10,000.00 cash and pick a time and place that will be publicly attended by the newsmedia and all other interested parties. An oscilloscope will be used to determine if there is a battery voltage rise on the battery pack of 6-volt dry cell batteries connected to my Motor/Generator system while it operates a 42-inch fan blade attached to the shaft of my Motor/Generator. Objective people (including scientists of my choosing and your choosing) will be asked to observe and present their findings on the oscilloscope readings as my Motor/Generator produces mechanical torque. If it is demonstrated that there is no battery voltage rise in the battery connected to my Motor/Generator system, then I will immediately pay you $10,000.00 cash. If it is demonstrated that there is a battery voltage rise in the battery connected to my Motor/Generator system, then you will immediately pay me $10,000.00 cash. In fact, Jacob Rabinow -- a so-called "expert" with the National Bureau of Standards -- has already set the standards of judging my technology when he once said, "The Newman invention working as a motor would be highly inefficient -- less than 10% efficient." The results of the above-described test totally prove the opposite! Joseph Westley Newman And Additionally --- To everyone who is curious and intellectually honest: That you may know that Joseph Newman has made a very honest and absolute test challenge to all negatively-thinking individuals: You should know from your own experience that a dry cell battery loses voltage over a period of 1 to 2 years while simply remaining on the shelf of a retail store. Batteries have a minute current flow even through the air and dust between terminals --- yet the battery voltage FALLS. All Battery Charts shows that the voltage of a battery falls if even a small amount of current is drawn over time due to the load of a motor, etc. NEVER DO BATTERY CHARTS SHOW THAT A CURRENT DRAW WILL CAUSE THE BATTERY VOLTAGE TO RISE! Fact: THE NEWMAN MOTOR/GENERATOR CAUSES THE BATTERY VOLTAGE TO RISE EVEN WITH THE OPERATION OF A 42-INCH FAN BLADE LOAD ATTACHED TO THE SHAFT OF THE MOTOR. THEREFORE, I HOLD TO MY ORIGINAL HONEST, DIRECT, AND SIMPLE CHALLENGE. Joseph Westley Newman -- Hartmann Multimedia Service _Buy our Internet MPEG CD-ROM ! Visit the WEB_ Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann _site below !_ Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30 344 23 66 FAX: ++ 49 30 344 92 79 email: harti@ddd.snafu.de harti@bbtt.com Web site: http://www.bbtt.com/harti/harti.html From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Mar 9 20:43:38 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id UAA03546 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 20:41:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA03524 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 20:41:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.4) id UAA28990; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 20:41:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 20:41:17 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <199603082056.MAA15822@mail.eskimo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 21:52:26 +0100 > To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com > From: harti@bbtt.de (Stefan Hartmann) > Subject: Newman=B4s challenge ! > An oscilloscope will be used to determine if there is a battery voltage > rise on the battery pack of 6-volt dry cell batteries connected to my > Motor/Generator system while it operates a 42-inch fan blade attached to > the shaft of my Motor/Generator. Not to be too pessimistic, but what if the big inductive surge from Newman's device causes the chemistry to change a bit at the battery electrodes and gives a rise in battery voltage? Battery voltage is crazy nonlinear versus stored chemical energy, so Newman's challenge might not have much to do with overunity. If his device is overunity, how about using an exceedingly tiny battery bank, running a large mechanical load with his device, and letting it run far, far longer than is possible with the batteries used. This would be a sensible test for overunity. =20 Battery voltage rise is not a trustworthy indication of overunity. Another possibility: use a capacitor instead of a battery! A small=20 high-volt cap could be chosen which should be discharged by the Newman=20 Motor in tens of seconds. Just slap the capacitor on, let the motor run a= =20 few thousand times longer than the capacitor energy could supply, and end= =20 up with a convincing test. ..............................freenrg-list................................ William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-ne= rd Moderator: FREENRG-LIST VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320=20 From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Mar 9 20:48:48 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id UAA04414 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 20:47:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA04408 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 20:47:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.4) id UAA29319; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 20:47:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 20:47:00 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: A --- FORWARDED --- Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 21:52:55 +0100 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: harti@bbtt.de (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman >X-POP3-Rcpt: harti@ns >Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 17:06:29 -0800 >To: harti@bbtt.de (Stefan Hartmann) >From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) >Subject: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman > >>At 08:21 PM 3/6/96 -0800, you wrote: >>>MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing >>>Michael Mandeville, publisher >>>mwm@aa.net >>>http://www.aa.net/~mwm >>> >>>Dear Mr. Mandeville: >>> >>>Having received email from an overseas "bulletin board," with the following >>>message above your name, I am going to assume that you wrote the following >>>words: [If you did not write these words, then this message does not apply >>>to you, and I apologize if this is the case. However, for the purposes of >>>this letter, I am going to assume that you did write these words and that >>>it does therefore apply to you.] >>> >>>The message (supposedly above your signature) states: >>> >>> >>snip >>> >>> >>>Well, Mr. Mandeville, since --- as Joseph Newman would say --- you like to >>>"run your mouth off," >> >>I speak very little. When I speak, I speak with certainty. People who make >>gratuitous, patronizing comments like "you >>like to run your mouth off" are in fact simply running their mouth off as a >>part of their dominance assertion. > >This is certainly your opinion. And you are certainly entitled to it. The >fact remains that, in Joseph Newman's OPINION, if you fail to "put your >money where your mouth is," you are "running off at the mouth." If you >choose to interpret this as "dominance assertion" this is certainly, once >again, YOUR opinion. And, just for record, it is MY opinion that your >opinion on this point is worthless. (And, if you feel the same way about >my opinion -- save your email....) > >I noted your qualifying statement to your homespun psychological analysis >of Joseph Newman's psyche, in which you wrote: ".... (Joseph Newman) >demonstrated without a shadow of a question of a doubt....." > >One could maintain that this is an "assertion of your opinion seeking to >establish dominance on your part as one 'qualified' to render a >psychological judgement about Joseph Newman's psyche." So, by your own >operational 'rules' ---we seem to have a case of the "pot calling the >kettle black" ...to pass along a little homespun quotation of my own. > >Now, let's see....what else do you say of Joseph Newman? > >In your opinion he is "a sociopathic paranoid fanatic" with a "feeble >brain" who suffers from "confusion" and "manipulate(s) lies, lies, and more >lies in a vain effort to extort power." > >"His maladroit efforts through the years at seeking social dominance have >obviously frustrated him into a semi-permenant state of rage....." > >Having known Joseph Newman for nearly 14 years --- and knowing by >observation that the above description is non-applicable to him --- I would >strongly consider the option that the above description describes >"yourself." > >>>let's see if you have the courage to "put your money >>>where your mouth is" and accept Joseph Newman's challenge --- and he also, >>>"does not use his words lightly." >>> >>>Evan Soule >>> >> >>Evan, I would very much like to see if Mr. Newman has the courage of his >>convinctions. I fail to see what money has to do with it. > >Mr. Mandeville --- money is a good tool to determine if one has a real >proprietary interest in the words that flow from their mouths..... if such >words are backed up by a monetary "stake" (if you will) this such words can >be taken seriously in that the person is willing to assume a monetary risk >to support his (potential) verbiage. In this instance, insulting, >challenging words issued by a human being who is unwilling to assume a >monetary risk to support his/her position --- such a person is not issuing >simply "verbiage" but "garbage." > >> >>> >>>THIS IS THE CHALLENGE, MR. MANDEVILLE: >>> >>> >>>To: Michael Mandeville: >>> >>>I, Joseph Westley Newman (601) 947-7147, challenge Michael Mandeville to >>>"put your money where your mouth is." >>> >>>We will each put up $10,000.00 cash and pick a time and place that will be >>>publicly attended by the newsmedia and all other interested parties. >>> >>>An oscilloscope will be used to determine if there is a battery voltage >>>rise on the battery pack of 6-volt dry cell batteries connected to my >>>Motor/Generator system while it operates a 42-inch fan blade attached to >>>the shaft of my Motor/Generator. >>> >>>Objective people (including scientists of my choosing and your choosing) >>>will be asked to observe and present their findings on the oscilloscope >>>readings as my Motor/Generator produces mechanical torque. >>> >>>If it is demonstrated that there is no battery voltage rise in the battery >>>connected to my Motor/Generator system, then I will immediately pay you >>>$10,000.00 cash. If it is demonstrated that there is a battery voltage >>>rise in the battery connected to my Motor/Generator system, then you will >>>immediately pay me $10,000.00 cash. >> >>>In fact, Jacob Rabinow -- a so-called "expert" with the National Bureau of >>>Standards -- has already set the standards of judging my technology when he >>>once said, "The Newman invention working as a motor would be highly >>>inefficient -- less than 10% efficient." The results of the >>>above-described test totally proves the opposite! >> >>I totally fail to comprehend the logical structure of this paragraph. > >I would suggest, Mr. Mandeville that you reread it until you do. And if >you still fail to understand it, then you should have a larger concern than >that of Joseph Newman's psyche. (Namely, your intelligence.) >> >>>If you do not accept these terms, then you are either a coward and a liar >>>or a plant by the power brokers. >>> >> >>This is awfully juvinile. People who use either/or logic to straightjacket >>a dare are playing the same games 13 year olds play when they are first >>testing their concept of macho. I can think of about 100 additional >>possibilities. Possibly I am stupid. Possibly I have superior technology. >>Possibly I am ignorant. Possibly I just don't give a damn. Possibly you are >>crazy. Etc. Etc. Etc. Let's grow up here, and deal with the real world. > > >The real world consists of juvenile jokers such as yourself who have a >"runny mouth" that is backed-up by "hot air." And if you don't like my >description of you, then you are certainly welcome not to correspond with >me again and avoid additional graphic descriptions. >> >>> >>>Joseph Westley Newman >>> >>> >>>Route 1, Box 52, Lucedale, Mississippi 39452 >>>(601) 947-7147 >>> >>> >> >>If you can do what you claim to do in a manner which can be trully verified >>by people who are objective and/or are quite accepting of the theoretical >>potential of over-unity, you will create news of world importance and many >>power brokers of the planet will beat a path to your door and pay homage and >>ply you with multi-billion dollar deals. That is the real world. This >>reality is flowing right now for other people. It is a true reality. This >>reality does not flow from claims. It flows from DO. >> >>Just damn DO it. >> >>The best methodolgy I can recommend to you from my own knowledge is this: >> >>Vortex-L is an invitational, private listserv on the InterNet which has many >>scientists, engineers, experimenters, inventors, technicians, and others of >>some considerable talent. This private listserv exists precisely to assist >>and test radical new claims which fly in the face of traditional theories in >>physics and energy. This group does not function like a newsgroup. It has >>certain rules of conduct and expectations. The primary rules are integrity >>and open-mindedness. >> >>This group in the past twelve months has delved into many things. Few have >>panned out. Some things are cooking, such as the Patterson Cell. The >>collective ability of this group is pretty awesome. Many of the members of >>this group are actively "in the hunt" for over unity principles. Those in >>the hunt are eager to find stuff which they can prove to work. Others are >>curious in one way or another and lend their expertise. The intellectual >>level of this group is very high but not condescending. They are not >>stuffy. Critical, very critical, yes. But not stuffy, condescending, or >>determined to prove you wrong just because they have a stick you know where. >> >>The group will have some initial strong doubts because you have already >>unknowingly dealt with one or more of them pretty shabbily. But even so, >>you could overcome that. >> >>This group has the ability to decisively prove you right or wrong. If you >>are proven right, clearly and scientifically, you will find access to many >>keys to many superlative doors...to fame and money. >> >>Since you are clearly and undeniably on record for establishing the priority >>of your claims, at this point you can freely and clearly divulge your >>invention. It is your only course of action to achieve the proof and >>recognition you say you deserve. If you have the goods, you have to lay >>them on the table and allow other people to pick them up and examine them. >>That is the real world. The world does not in any manner operate in any >>other way. Inventors who do not understand this spend their lives in >>frustration. >> >>My challenge to you is to relay the electrical/magnetic specifics of your >>motor principles in posts to this group. Define what it does. Define how >>you think you know that. Then, ask the group to define how your device >>should be properly rigged with sensors and probes to measure it operations. >>Answer their questions. They will debate it for a while and a course of >>acceptable action will emerge. If it proves out, the doors will begin to >>open...and your struggle will be over (if you have good business/legal >>advisors). >> > > >Final Comment to Mr. Mandeville: > >Had you presented yourself with a reasonable (from your perspective) >suggestion for review/analysis of Joseph Newman's technology as described >above, then your comments would be taken with other than a "garbage bag." >But you chose -- like a "cheap, insult 'artist'" to cast character >assassinations (in words) at Joseph Newman. As result, Joseph Newman has >treated you as you deserve to be treated. And, in your case, such >treatment includes the original challenge which stands. If you "put your >money" where your mouth is," at least Joseph Newman will have some measure >of respect for you....otherwise, I'm reading just "hot air" from your >direction. > > >>Are you honest and man enough to accept this golden challenge? You invited >>me to a carnival wrestling match which would have accomplished very little. >>I have invited you to a decisive end to your struggle for acceptance. How >>say you, Joe Newman? > >Joseph Newman's personal level of intellectual honesty and integrity (which >I know exists from experience) is something for anyone --- including >yourself --- to aspire to. You probably don't believe me....but that's >your choice. > >Evan Soule > > > > -- Hartmann Multimedia Service _Buy our Internet MPEG CD-ROM ! Visit the WEB_ Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann _site below !_ Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30 344 23 66 FAX: ++ 49 30 344 92 79 email: harti@ddd.snafu.de harti@bbtt.com Web site: http://www.bbtt.com/harti/harti.html From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Mar 9 20:53:23 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id UAA05024 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 20:51:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA05011 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 20:51:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.4) id UAA29591; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 20:51:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 20:51:36 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Newman demonstration, any eye witnesses ? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --- FORWARDED --- Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 22:06:43 +0100 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: harti@bbtt.de (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: fnrg: Newman demonstration, any eye witnesses ? > >>During the ENTIRE 12 hours that the Neman Motor/Generator pumped water, the >>house watt >>meter dial DID NOT MOVE. Moreover, for the entire 12 hour period the Newman >>Motor/Generator ran COOL. The news media, city officials and representatives >>of the local power >>company observed and corroborated these results. > >Can anybody give a definitive answer regading the authenticity of the >Newman machine ?? >One minute the guy's being whipped as a B/Shi*t artist the next he's got a >ligitimate claim ?????? > >What's the script here ? > >Thanx > >Ascot With my own rebuilded Newman machine I got 65 to 135 % total system efficiency in the study work at my university in Berlin, Germany a few years ago. But I concluded, that the 135 % may have been also measurement errors due to my setup at this time. But I have to say, I only did build the small type motors , which DO NOT show these effects. like the bigger machines are said to produce. You will see the results soon on my upcoming free energy WEB server. Regards, Stefan. > > > > > -- Hartmann Multimedia Service _Buy our Internet MPEG CD-ROM ! Visit the WEB_ Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann _site below !_ Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30 344 23 66 FAX: ++ 49 30 344 92 79 email: harti@ddd.snafu.de harti@bbtt.com Web site: http://www.bbtt.com/harti/harti.html From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Mar 9 20:54:41 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id UAA05154 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 20:52:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA05146 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 20:52:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.4) id UAA29678; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 20:52:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 20:52:51 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Perrault Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 09:23:42 -0800 (PST) From: Barry Bowser To: billb@eskimo.com Subject: Comments from Weird Science The UPS truck has just droped off a 55 lb carboy of Pyrox Red Grit from Reade Materials. Very soo, some zinc to Perrault specifications will be unloaded. I am willing to ship by the pound, for $5.00 per pound provided S&H is added. If anyone is interested including yourself, please inform me and I will ship. Reade materials will not ship in lower increments, so I decided to spend lots of dough and need some help getting rid of this stuff. 901 Anna Stree, Norfolk, VA 23502. (About $6.00 shipping will suffice). From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Mar 9 21:35:13 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id VAA11470 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 21:33:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA11432; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 21:33:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.4) id VAA03438; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 21:33:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 21:33:09 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: Evan Soule cc: vortex-l@mail.eskimo.com, freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Newman challenge In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi again Evan. I have a question about Mr. Newman's challenge. What happens if a charged capacitor bank is used to power the Newman Motor? I ask because battery voltage is a poor measure of stored energy, and speaking as a technical person, a rise in battery voltage will not convince technical people. Will the Newman Motor operate continuously from a capacitor bank? Or will it at least perform far more work than the total work initially present in the capacitor? ..............................freenrg-list................................ Moderator: FREENRG-LIST VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Mar 9 21:52:31 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id VAA13861 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 21:50:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from gremlin.greenville.lib.sc.us ([199.249.190.57]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA13810 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 21:50:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 21:50:10 -0800 (PST) From: johndee@gremlin.greenville.lib.sc.us Message-Id: <199603100550.VAA13810@mail.eskimo.com> Received: from [199.249.190.57] by gremlin.greenville.lib.sc.us id 6510.wrk; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 00:50:34 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: fnrg: Re: To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <150506@gremlin.greenville.lib.sc.us> X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.14 Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On 10 Mar 1996, freenrg-list@eskimo.com wrote: >> Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 21:52:26 +0100 >> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com >> From: harti@bbtt.de (Stefan Hartmann) >> Subject: Newman´s challenge ! > >> An oscilloscope will be used to determine if there is a battery voltage >> rise on the battery pack of 6-volt dry cell batteries connected to my >> Motor/Generator system while it operates a 42-inch fan blade attached to >> the shaft of my Motor/Generator. > >Not to be too pessimistic, but what if the big inductive surge from >Newman's device causes the chemistry to change a bit at the battery >electrodes and gives a rise in battery voltage? Battery voltage is crazy >nonlinear versus stored chemical energy, so Newman's challenge might not >have much to do with overunity. If his device is overunity, how about >using an exceedingly tiny battery bank, running a large mechanical load >with his device, and letting it run far, far longer than is possible with >the batteries used. This would be a sensible test for overunity. >Battery voltage rise is not a trustworthy indication of overunity. > >Another possibility: use a capacitor instead of a battery! A small >high-volt cap could be chosen which should be discharged by the Newman >Motor in tens of seconds. Just slap the capacitor on, let the motor run a >few thousand times longer than the capacitor energy could supply, and end >up with a convincing test. > > >..............................freenrg-list................................ >William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd >Moderator: FREENRG-LIST VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L >http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html >Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 > > > excellent suggestion!!!! From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Mar 10 05:57:15 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id FAA05662 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 05:55:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from gnn-2.gnn.com (gnn-2.gnn.com [204.148.97.92]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id FAA05652 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 05:55:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from www-25-25.gnn.com. (www-25-25.gnn.com [205.188.25.25]) by gnn-2.gnn.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA08572 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 08:54:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199603101354.IAA08572@gnn-2.gnn.com> X-Mailer: GNNmessenger 1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 08:41:20 From: glird@gnn.com () To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Newman challenge Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: A freenrg-list@eskimo.com >MAKE THE PROCESS SELF POWERING!!!!!!! Nothing >else will convince anyone.........That's the long and short of it. >Greg Watson 1. >Fact: THE NEWMAN MOTOR/GENERATOR CAUSES THE BATTERY VOLTAGE TO >RISE EVEN WITH THE OPERATION OF A 42-INCH FAN BLADE LOAD ATTACHED >TO THE SHAFT OF THE MOTOR. 2. >The 130-pound Newman Motor/Generator was operated at 1,000 and >2,000 volts battery input If the device can recharge its own battery even as it does outside work, doesn't that allow the process to be "self powering"? If the system does work that way, won't it last and run for periods of time far in excess of any usual battery-operated devices? Has this been tried, Evan? Glird http://members.gnn.com/glird/reality.htm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Mar 10 03:56:23 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id DAA27772 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 03:54:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from bukula.enternet.com.au (bukula.enternet.com.au [203.63.18.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id DAA27765 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 03:54:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from e2a116.enternet.com.au (sladl1p52.ozemail.com.au [203.7.185.68]) by bukula.enternet.com.au with SMTP id WAA24817 (8.6.11/IDA-1.6); Sun, 10 Mar 1996 22:54:22 +1100 Message-ID: <3142C34D.78B9@mail.enternet.com.au> Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 21:25:57 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: BMS Technology X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0GoldB1 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com CC: gwatson@bukula.enternet.com.au Subject: Re: fnrg: Newman challenge References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: William Beaty wrote: > > Hi again Evan. I have a question about Mr. Newman's challenge. What > happens if a charged capacitor bank is used to power the Newman Motor? I > ask because battery voltage is a poor measure of stored energy, and > speaking as a technical person, a rise in battery voltage will not > convince technical people. > > Will the Newman Motor operate continuously from a capacitor bank? Or > will it at least perform far more work than the total work initially > present in the capacitor? > > ..............................freenrg-list................................ > Moderator: FREENRG-LIST VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L > William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd > http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html > Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320Hi from Australia, After reading about Newman and his "motor/generator" I can only add one suggestion. Over unity can ONLY be proved BEYOND DOUBT by generating energy of a kind and potential to provide input to the process. Be it Newman, Adams, Cold Fusion, XYZ or whatever. If you want to settle the debate, prove over-unity, make a billion dollars and save the world, there is only one way. MAKE THE PROCESS SELF POWERING!!!!!!! Nothing else will convince anyone...........That's the long and short of it. Greg Watson, Lets make it happen!!!!!! From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Mar 10 08:29:24 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id IAA22882 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 08:27:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from Rt66.com (root@mack.rt66.com [198.59.162.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA22860 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 08:27:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from [198.59.162.29] (pma09.rt66.com) by Rt66.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24196; Sun, 10 Mar 96 09:21:21 MST Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 09:29:11 -0600 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: richard@rt66.com (Richard Austin) Subject: Re: fnrg: Searching Archives Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Can someone point me in the right direction to search for very old (late >1800s or early 1900s) patent descriptions. Can this even be done on the >WWW ? >Thanks > >John Payne jpayne@luc.edu Only patents back to 1975 are electronically searchable by abstract. Search for patents in a patent depository library. Usually there is a CD-ROM which you search by class and sub class. Descriptions of classes and subclasses are also available (bound volumes). Patents in any class and subclass are searchable in a separate database back to 1790 but only the patent numbers are listed. You have to manually look up the abstracts in the published volumes (available in a patent depository library in many cities throughout the U.S.) Once you find the abstract, you will know if the patent is what you want. You can order any patent from a patent service such as the one listed below. Rapid Patent Service: 1-800-336-5010 Cost for a patent is about $3.95 Some of the patent info is available online through the U.S. patent office www site. http://patents.cnidr.org:4242/access/search-bool.html Richard Austin -- email: richard@rt66.com -- radio: KG7SU WEB site: http://www.rt66.com/~richard/ ------------------------------------------------------- Institute for Planetary Renewal From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Mar 10 13:40:01 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id NAA12025 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 13:33:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from bukula.enternet.com.au (bukula.enternet.com.au [203.63.18.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA11995 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 13:33:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from e2a116.enternet.com.au (sladl2p18.ozemail.com.au [203.7.185.106]) by bukula.enternet.com.au with SMTP id IAA29564 (8.6.11/IDA-1.6); Mon, 11 Mar 1996 08:33:25 +1100 Message-ID: <31434AEE.4DFE@mail.enternet.com.au> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 07:04:38 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: BMS Technology X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0GoldB1 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com CC: gwatson@bukula.enternet.com.au Subject: Re: fnrg: Newman challenge References: <199603101354.IAA08572@gnn-2.gnn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: glird@gnn.com wrote: > > freenrg-list@eskimo.com > >MAKE THE PROCESS SELF POWERING!!!!!!! Nothing > >else will convince anyone.........That's the long and short of it. > >Greg Watson > > 1. > >Fact: THE NEWMAN MOTOR/GENERATOR CAUSES THE BATTERY VOLTAGE TO > >RISE EVEN WITH THE OPERATION OF A 42-INCH FAN BLADE LOAD ATTACHED > >TO THE SHAFT OF THE MOTOR. > 2. > >The 130-pound Newman Motor/Generator was operated at 1,000 and > >2,000 volts battery input > If the device can recharge its own battery even as it does > outside work, doesn't that allow the process to be "self powering"? > If the system does work that way, won't it last and run for periods > of time far in excess of any usual battery-operated devices? > Has this been tried, Evan? > > Glird http://members.gnn.com/glird/reality.htm HI from Australia, CLOSE THE LOOP!!!!! Replace the 42 inch fan with a normal generator. Use switchmode technology to produce the 1-2kv required. Start the system going and switch from the battery bank to the generator/switchmode output. Put a torque meter on the output shaft, do some work, save the world, get rich and stop the debate. If it works.......it works. If it doesn't.....it doesn't. Black and white. Cut and dried. Draw a line in the sand, Mr. Newman. A rise in battery voltage is not what the world is waiting for!!!. CLOSE THE LOOP. MAKE THE SYSTEM (Whatever it is) SELF POWERING!!!!! That is the ONLY REAL GOAL! CAN YOU DO IT???????????????????? Greg Watson. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Mar 10 23:16:19 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id WAA17786 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 22:15:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from gnn-2.gnn.com (gnn-2.gnn.com [204.148.97.92]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAB17732 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 22:14:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from www-28-12.gnn.com. (www-28-12.gnn.com [205.188.28.12]) by gnn-2.gnn.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA13319 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 01:13:21 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199603110613.BAA13319@gnn-2.gnn.com> X-Mailer: GNNmessenger 1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 00:59:33 From: glird@gnn.com () To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: Emergy Energy Technology of Joseph Newman Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: harti@bbtt.de (Stefan Hartmann) wrote, >>Only if Newman can show a closed circuit, where he can power the >>motor on his own outputted energy, will it be obvious, that it >>is a "free energy" machine. >>The new demo with the pump, where the meter did not show any >>input is nice, but why did he still need the grid at all ? > >Stefan -- please re-read Joseph Newman's book. An independent >source of VOLTAGE (not CURRENT) must exist for the atoms within >the coil to become aligned and to thereby release their mechanical >(electrical) energy. >Joseph Newman has used a variety of batteries (as well as the city >grid -- for voltage pressure purposes) --- and he STILL uses the >SAME 250 V DC RayOVac batteries that he used over 10 years ago.. If a battery, which is recharged even as it is being used, supplies the VOLTAGE, why use a city grid at all? If the batteries that run the device last forever - so to speak - doesn't that "close the loop"? If it does, and if multiple viewers attest that the device works, why isn't it in production? Please don't blame that on "the establishment" because there isn't any such thing. If the device can be profitable, the capitalistic system ENSURES that very many people (including me) would want to get a piece of the action! Glird http://members.gnn.com/glird/reality.htm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Mar 10 17:10:57 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id RAA19220 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 17:09:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.bbtt.com (ns.bbtt.com [194.77.35.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA19135 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 17:08:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (harti.bbtt.com [194.77.35.75]) by ns.bbtt.com (8.6.9/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA08138; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 02:08:17 +0100 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 02:08:17 +0100 Message-Id: <199603110108.CAA08138@ns.bbtt.com> X-Sender: harti@bbtt.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) From: harti@bbtt.de (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: fnrg: Re: Emergy Energy Technology of Joseph Newman Cc: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >>>Dear Stefan: >>> >>>Yes, I remember your visit to Mississippi .... I have been working with >>>Joseph Newman for nearly 14 years. Actually, so much has been happening= in >>>the last 3 months that I hardly know where to begin..... >> >>I see, sounds good. >> >>Well, after my study work finished in 1989 I did not do much work anymore on my >>Newman machines, cause the 135 % efficiency I got could also have been >>measurement errors, due to my setup and I could not refine it at this= time. >>Also I thought, that only the very big machines from Newman maybe have a >>bigger effect. >> >>I spoke with Roger Hasting and he also told me, that the smaller motors, >>like the FAN >>motor, just are under 100 % efficiency, but just better than average fan >>motors.... >> >>So I am still not convinced, that he Newman technology is really= overunity. >> >>Only if Newman can show a closed circuit, where he can power the motor >>on his own outputed energy, it will be obvious, that it is a "free energy" >>machine. > >First of all, Joseph Newman has never termed his energy machine (Newman >Motor/Generator) a "free energy" device --- others have applied that term >to his machine. In a strictly scientific and monetary sense, the energy >produced by Joseph Newman's system is not "free." Scientifically, the >energy comes from the atoms of the copper conductor -- over time (Hastings >estimated as long as several human generations+) the integrity of the coil >would deteriorate to the point that its usefulness would be nill....so the >copper (atoms) are "used up" in the system; monetarily speaking, the motor >costs money to build and bearings, commutator would need to be replaced >periodically. So in both senses, one is not obtaining "something for >nothing." >> I see, yes, you have to pay for the motor and for commutator exchanges, but it would be better, if the "independant VOLATGE" to run the motor would be generated by=20 its own output and not the grid ! >>The new demo with the pump, where the meter did not show any input is nice, but >>why did he still need the grig at all ? Why can=B4t he just drive a= generator, >>which will produce high voltage DC and power the input of the Newman motor= ? > >Stefan -- please re-read Joseph Newman's book. An independent source of >VOLTAGE (not CURRENT) must exist for the atoms within the coil to become >aligned and to thereby release their mechanical (electrical) energy. This >VOLTAGE "pressure" is like the hydraulic pressure in an auto brake line --- >the brake fluid is not consumed, but the pressure exerted by the fluid is >necessary to activate the brakes. Likewise, the pressure exerted by the >VOLTAGE is necessary to activate the magnetic field of the copper --- which >is extremely magnetic under these conditions. The voltage can now be >either from batteries or from the city grid. Hmm, from a driven generator at the mechanical output of the Newman=20 motor would be even better and more convincing ! Let me put it this way. If my result with the 135 % efficiency was right at the higher rotational speeds, then I had about 60 % mechanical output, 20 % electrical output (RF spikes) and the rest of 55 % was lost as heat in the coil via its ohmical= resistance. So it is clear, that the Newman motor is indeed a overunity motor with 135 % total efficiency, but with only producing 80 % "usable" energy via mechanical and electrical output, it is just too small to power itself. Would Mr. Newman see it the same way ? Indeed there were claims, where he told us, that his earlier motors had 800= % efficiencies.... With these huge motors it should be possible to close the loop and run=20 it on its own energy... I only tested about 20 Kg coils which are still pretty small copared to= Newman=B4s earlier motors... >>Of course, if the whole system is only about 150 % overunity , there will= be >>too many losses in this proposal to get the loop closed. >> >>>Considerable improvements in the technology of Joseph Newman have= occurred >>>over the past year....the prototype you tested in 1987 would now be= viewed >>>as a much earlier stage of technological development. >> >>I see. >> >> >>>For one thing, Joseph Newman has developed an entirely new commutator >>>design which has had the positive effect of reducing the sparking caused= by >>>the backemf in the earlier prototypes. And in addition, he has innovated= a >>>new capacitor design which further reduces the backemf sparking of this >>>system. For the first time, this permits the overunity to be quickly >>>verified via oscilloscope readings which were difficult to comprehend= with >>>the earlier prototypes as a result of the sparking. >> >>That is right, the earlier type commutator had too much High voltage >>spikes and RF bursts... >> >>Did Newman publish any details of the new design of the commutator ? > >Yes, the details are featured in the 7th edition of his book. I see. >> >>Did he now finally get a patent ? What is the patent number ? > >He has obtained his patent via the "back door" He has had a patent issued >in Mexico for a number of years (as well as other foreign countries). His >patent attorneys have informed him that a proviso in the NAFTA Tready of >last year included the reciprocal recognition of patents issued between the >member states, i.e., Canada, the U.S. and Mexico....therefore, his Mexican >Patent is now valid in the United States. One can also obtain the South >African Patent from the International Tesla Soceity...this Patent is the >same as all Patent that have issued. >> I see. What is his Mexican patent number ? >> >>>There have been many >>>other improvements including a general new design of the coil itself. >>>Within the past 60 days a very skilled and mechanically-gifted individual >>>in Philadelphia purchased the latest, 7th Edition of Joseph Newman's book >>>and proceeded to build his own prototypes. >> >>I see. >> >> >>> >>>After completion and verification of the technology the individual (whom= we >>>did not even know prior to his contacting us) sent us a VHS tape of his >>>working prototypes (he is now building a larger unit). Interestingly >>>enough, this individual has been visiting old auto junkyards and buying >>>old, often rusted auto batteries for $1-$2 each.....he would then take >>>these "dead" batteries -- often 5-10+ years old and proceed to recharge >>>them by attaching them to the Newman Motor/Generator. He is now in the >>>midst of further testing and experimentation. This young man stated that >>>he could mechanically visualize literally dozens of different >>>confirgurations of the Newman Motor/Generator! >> >>Did he break the batteries after a while due to the RF spikes ? > >My understanding is that the auto batteries have been overcharged to the >point of physical breakdown just as was the case years ago with the RayOVac >batteries. >> >>Does Newman still use these 250 Volt DC Rayovac batteries ? > >Joseph Newman has used a variety of batteries (as well as the city grid -- >for voltage pressure purposes) --- and he STILL uses the SAME 250 V DC >RayOVac batteries that he used over 10 years ago....at least those that had >not completely been broken down due to overcharging. The new capicator >system has helped to avoid battery break-down. Sorry to say that, but all my 9 Volt dry batteries discharged after a while, when using them=20 connnected in series with my Newman machines. So they went dead after a while, but they also lasted a bit longer due to the pulsed discharge from the Newman motor. >> >> >>>We had an outstanding demonstration of the latest Newman energy machine >>>prototype in Mobile on February 5, 1996 before approximately 300 people >>>(see some of the information I will be sending under separate cover). = Our >>>mid-term goal is to locate manufacturers across the United States who= would >>>be interested in manufacture of the technology. We are encouraging any= and >>>all such individuals to first build their own working prototype before >>>undertaking any commitments for manufacturing. > >I send you a Testimonial about this event by separate email..... >> >>Well, I would maybe interested to buy a license from Neman to begin= production >>over here, if he can show a closed system without having to go via the= grid. > >Stefan -- there must be an independent voltage pressure applied to the >system...see discussion above, the discussion in the SPECIAL REPORT, and >the discussion in Joseph Newman's book. >> >> >>How big is the latest motor from Newman which was used for the pump and >>much copper did it have ? > >The largest motor which was longitudinal in design weighs about 140 lbs --- >about 110 lbs of copper.... I see. >> >>How expensive would it be to mass produce something like this ? >>How much output power does it have ? >>Is it a reciprocating device or a rotaional device ? > >would probably cost c. $2,000-$3,000 to mass produce such a unit. > >I have recently estimated that to design and construct BY HAND a Newman >Motor/Generator capable of supplying c. 450Kw (to power a building) would >cost about $300,000 --- it would take 3-6 people working for apr. 3 months. >I have recently worked out the budget for this project. Once the >Motor/Generator is operating, it will save/produce money: 1) during >daylight hours the Motor/Generator will supply power more cheaply than the >power grid and 2) a night, during the off-hours, power can be sold back to >the local utility over the same power grid. >> >>>I will be sending you additional files for your information. >>> >>>Stefan -- I have respected your sincerity and dedication to the principle >>>of over-unity....may such dedication prove fruitful for the world as it >>>enters the 21st century. >>> >>>SIC ITUR AD ASTRA. >>> >>> >>>Evan Soule >>>Director of Information >>>Newman Energy Products >> >>Best regards, >>Stefan Hartmann. >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>-- >>Hartmann Multimedia Service _Buy our Internet MPEG CD-ROM ! Visit the= WEB_ >>Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann _site below !_ >>Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany >>Tel: ++ 49 30 344 23 66 FAX: ++ 49 30 344 92 79 >>email: harti@ddd.snafu.de harti@bbtt.com >>Web site: http://www.bbtt.com/harti/harti.html > > > >Hope the above answers some of your questions......... > > >Evan Soule > > > > -- Hartmann Multimedia Service _Buy our Internet MPEG CD-ROM ! Visit the WEB_ Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann _site below !_ Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30 344 23 66 FAX: ++ 49 30 344 92 79 email: harti@ddd.snafu.de harti@bbtt.com Web site: http://www.bbtt.com/harti/harti.html From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Mar 10 17:56:50 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id RAA27040 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 17:55:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.bbtt.com (ns.bbtt.com [194.77.35.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA26448 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 17:52:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (harti.bbtt.com [194.77.35.75]) by ns.bbtt.com (8.6.9/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA08209 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 02:52:45 +0100 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 02:52:45 +0100 Message-Id: <199603110152.CAA08209@ns.bbtt.com> X-Sender: harti@bbtt.de (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: harti@bbtt.de (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: fnrg: Re:Takahashi Supermagnets ? Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Is this the patent of the new Takashi Supermagnets ? Can somebody please post a summary, if he has got the full patent ? http://patents.cnidr.org:4242/cgi-bin/patbib_fetch?/pto7+PATBIB-95+5443617+O F+1747 This is the WEB address I found..... Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service _Buy our Internet MPEG CD-ROM ! Visit the WEB_ Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann _site below !_ Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30 344 23 66 FAX: ++ 49 30 344 92 79 email: harti@ddd.snafu.de harti@bbtt.com Web site: http://www.bbtt.com/harti/harti.html From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Mar 10 18:55:47 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id SAA06847 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 18:54:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from dns1.noc.best.net (root@dns1.noc.best.net [206.86.8.69]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA06825 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 18:54:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from [205.149.162.154] (bailey.vip.best.com [205.149.162.154]) by dns1.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id SAA04516 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 18:53:50 -0800 Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 18:53:50 -0800 X-Sender: bailey@best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: fnrg: INE Site Updated Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: INE Site: www.padrak.com/ine/ Mar. 10, 1996 Added the March 1996 NEN TOC. Began to add author's names to NEN TOC lists. (1996 done.) Began to add subject contents to NEN TOC letters sections. (1996 done.) Added new Articles from recent issues of NEN: See These! Space Energy Blows NASA'S Fuse. WSJ Reexamines Cold Fusion Due To PPC. Added Keywords in the main page for web browser databases. Repointed all links in this page to the actual files, instead of to the main page outline. [We assume you know how to use your "BACK" button by now.] Site Counter = 1,555. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Mar 10 18:56:03 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id SAA06882 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 18:54:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from dns1.noc.best.net (root@dns1.noc.best.net [206.86.8.69]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA06857 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 18:54:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from [205.149.162.154] (bailey.vip.best.com [205.149.162.154]) by dns1.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id SAA04533 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 18:54:01 -0800 Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 18:54:01 -0800 X-Sender: bailey@best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: fnrg: SPACE ENERGY BLOWS NASA'S FUSE - NEN Article 3/96 Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: SPACE ENERGY BLOWS NASA'S FUSE Look who bumped into what... in the ionosphere! Space Shuttle 'Columbia' Encounters Excess Energy? By Dr. Harold Aspden From: NEN, Vol. 3, No. 9, March 1996, pp. 1-2. New Energy News (NEN) copyright 1996 by Fusion Information Center, Inc. COPYING NOT ALLOWED without written permission. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. One might wonder when those of us engaged in the 'free energy' pursuit will reach the end of our tethers. Sadly, the space shuttle 'Columbia,' which was on a mission to tap into the energy of the ionosphere, has (with near perilous consequences for the seven-man crew) already done that with the loss of a $442 million satellite. This experimental satellite was tethered to the space shuttle by a 12.8 mile long cable which was blown apart by an unpredictable excess of energy. A U.K. newspaper report dated 27th February 1996 stated: "Video footage beamed down later to Mission Control at the Johnson Space Center in Houston, Texas, showed the end of the tether - made from copper, nylon and Teflon - looking charred and melted. It was said to resemble 'curly french fries.' There was a 'large electrical discharge along the tether.' So, what went wrong? Well, as we readers of New Energy News can well imagine, the NASA experiment was a large scale version of the Correa discharge tube or the Chernetskii self-generating discharge device or the Spence device, all of which reveal excess power. The only difference was that the 'evacuated tube' was replaced by the rarified plasma state of the ionosphere, where there are as many positive ions as electrons. [Boxed text:] The space shuttle Columbia was, in fact, the cathode and the now-lost satellite was the anode. The cable was the power supply circuit and the intervening ionized space provided the discharge path. [End of boxed text.] The excess energy anomaly was that of a cold-cathode discharge where inexplicably large forces act preferentially upon the heavy positive ions and drive them into the cathode. We know from such experiments that the cathode reaction forces developed by impact of positive ions can be thousands of times greater than theory predicts. It would seem that this possibility, which owes its origin to a fundamental breach of physical law, was not factored into the design of the experiment. The protons in the upper ionosphere regions of the atmosphere which provided the closure current would be driven with enormous force into the tether connection point (the cathode) on Columbia. It is no wonder that the cable fused and the mission failed and that, I submit, is all because the extremely high anomalous cold-cathode reaction forces know from decades of research have never been properly understood by the scientific community. What we can therefore now point to is the failure of a major space mission aimed at generating power in space because far more power was produced than was bargained for! It had not been understood that the aether which fills that space is ready and willing to shed excess energy once we contrive to develop circuital current flow that is not that of an all-electron circuit. I add a footnote quotation from the 1989 Novosti Press Agency (USSR) release on the Chernetskii project: "In a bid to explain the experimental data, the researchers actually tried to prove the impossible and one of their proofs turned out to be violent. The one megawatt substation at the Moscow Aviation Institute, where Chernetskii and Galkin were staging an experiment with a powerful plasma unit, burned out. When the discharge currents reached criticality, superstrong current was born in the generator and went back into the network, playing havoc with the safety devices calculated for short circuit events." The United States of America should not be sending men into space on missions aimed at power generation by tapping into plasma fields until enough research on the anomalous cold-cathode plasma discharge problem has been done in the Earth-based laboratory environment to understand fully this mystery energy source. At this time, Dr. Paulo Correa in Canada has the means for demonstrating the generation of excess energy using cold-cathode discharge tubes of special construction in which the cathode is able to take off the power electrically in a controlled manner. The time has come for the Establishment scientists to wake up to the possibility that we can draw upon energy in the space medium but we should be looking at those protons and not just at those electrons! [Editor's Note: See Correa's U.S. Patents numbers 5,416,391 and 5,449,989. Latest information from NASA sources relates that all electronics (included shielded electronic housing designed for up to 10,000 volts) was fried. It is strongly suggested that the satellite be recovered and examined in detail.] From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Mar 10 18:55:47 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id SAA06933 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 18:54:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from dns1.noc.best.net (root@dns1.noc.best.net [206.86.8.69]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA06880 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 18:54:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from [205.149.162.154] (bailey.vip.best.com [205.149.162.154]) by dns1.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id SAA04564 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 18:54:10 -0800 Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 18:54:10 -0800 X-Sender: bailey@best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: fnrg: WSJ REEXAMINES COLD FUSION DUE TO PPC - NEN Article 3/96 Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: COLD FUSION WSJ REEXAMINES COLD FUSION DUE TO PPC Courtesy of Harry Dart Jerry E. Bishop, (staff writer) "A Bottle Rekindles Scientific Debate About the Possibility of Cold Fusion" The Wall Street Journal, Monday, Jan. 29, 1996. From: NEN, Vol. 3, No. 9, March 1996, p. 2. New Energy News (NEN) copyright 1996 by Fusion Information Center, Inc. COPYING NOT ALLOWED without written permission. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. SUMMARY Jerry Bishop reports that the electrolytic bottle filled with tap water and microscopic palladium-coated beads produces several hundred times as much power output in the form of heat as was input to start the reaction. The bottle is called the Patterson Power CellTM, named after its inventor James A. Patterson. Bishop writes that the Patterson Power Cell (PPC) is catching the interest of some engineers, chemists, and a few major companies such as Motorola. He also compares the bottle to the Utah cold fusion device produced by Martin Fleischmann and Stanely Pons at the University of Utah in 1989, "As with the Utah apparatus,... the bottle produces an excess of power as it electrolyzes, or breaks down, water molecules into hydrogen and oxygen atoms. [Boxed text:] But, unlike the controversial and unpredictable Utah experiments, the Patterson Cell can be turned on and off seemingly at will." [End of boxed text.] Because the PPC consistently works, scientists will have the opportunity to manipulate the device to see if a nuclear reaction is involved in its processes. The electrodes in the Utah device were rods of palladium surrounded by coils of platinum wire. These rods were hung in "heavy" water in which the hydrogen is an ionic form called deuterium. The Patterson cell, however, is filled with microscopic plastic beads coated with a thin layer of palladium between two layers of nickel. It is also filled with ordinary water made of "light" [normal] hydrogen atoms. In both devices, electrolysis releases hydrogen atoms which are soaked up by the palladium and/or nickel. Inside the metal an energy-releasing event is claimed to take place. Cold-fusionists would claim that the nuclear reaction taking place is the fusion of hydrogen atoms, a nuclear reaction that usually occurs at 50 million degrees. The apparatus stands about four inches high and one inch in diameter and holds about three tablespoons of the tiny beads. Demonstrations of the device by Mr. Reding in Anaheim, CA lasted from 30 minutes to two hours. And those who observed the demonstrations say that, after subtracting the electricity needed to run pumps and fans, about 0.1 to 1.5 watts of power went into the cell itself, while the heat output was 450 to 1,300 watts. Summary by Dee Winter From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Mar 11 03:27:29 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id DAA11908 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 03:22:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from bukula.enternet.com.au (bukula.enternet.com.au [203.63.18.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id DAA11897 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 03:22:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from e2a116.enternet.com.au (sladl2p28.ozemail.com.au [203.7.185.116]) by bukula.enternet.com.au with SMTP id WAA13654 (8.6.11/IDA-1.6); Mon, 11 Mar 1996 22:22:18 +1100 Message-ID: <31440D47.743F@mail.enternet.com.au> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 20:53:51 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: BMS Technology X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0GoldB1 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com CC: gwatson@bukula.enternet.com.au Subject: Re: fnrg: Newman challenge References: <3142C34D.78B9@mail.enternet.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Greg Watson wrote: > > William Beaty wrote: > > > > Hi again Evan. I have a question about Mr. Newman's challenge. What > > happens if a charged capacitor bank is used to power the Newman Motor? I > > ask because battery voltage is a poor measure of stored energy, and > > speaking as a technical person, a rise in battery voltage will not > > convince technical people. > > > > Will the Newman Motor operate continuously from a capacitor bank? Or > > will it at least perform far more work than the total work initially > > present in the capacitor? > > > > ..............................freenrg-list................................ > > Moderator: FREENRG-LIST VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L > > William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd > > http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html > > Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320Hi from Australia, > > After reading about Newman and his "motor/generator" I can only add one > suggestion. Over unity can ONLY be proved BEYOND DOUBT by generating > energy of a kind and potential to provide input to the process. Be it > Newman, Adams, Cold Fusion, XYZ or whatever. If you want to settle the > debate, prove over-unity, make a billion dollars and save the world, > there is only one way. MAKE THE PROCESS SELF POWERING!!!!!!! Nothing > else will convince anyone...........That's the long and short of it. > > Greg Watson, > Lets make it happen!!!!!! Hi from Australia, Here are some interesting Newman motor links. Makes interesting reading: 1)The man's own home page: http://home.earthlink.net/~josephnewman/ 2)Best history of Newman Motor I could find : http://www.ibg.uu.se/elektromagnum/web/physics/JosephNewman/start.html 3)Water pumping demo works out to around 5.2 watts (3.8ftlbs/sec). My mains meter will not turn with such a small load. Hope my calcs are right (don't talk imperial). 4)Other demo I could find out about with 42 inch fan @ 600rpm would draw several HP. What did the mains meter show then? Where can we obtain more data? As I have said before, If it works..............it works. If it doesn't............it doesn't. Greg Watson. Lets make it happen!! From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Mar 11 04:25:32 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id EAA16535 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 04:24:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from wpo.it.luc.edu (wpo.it.luc.edu [147.126.102.16]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id EAA16530 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 04:24:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from LUCHICAGO-Message_Server by wpo.it.luc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 06:24:40 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 06:26:11 -0600 From: John Payne To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Searching Archives -Reply Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Thanks for the info. Rapid Patent Service: 1-800-336-5010 Cost for a patent is about $3.95 Some of the patent info is available online through the U.S. patent office www site. http://patents.cnidr.org:4242/access/search-bool.html From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Mar 11 06:22:37 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id GAA00485 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 06:21:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from xs1.xs4all.nl (root@xs1.xs4all.nl [193.78.33.42]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA00421 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 06:21:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from robert (asd04-01.dial.xs4all.nl) by xs1.xs4all.nl with SMTP id AA20965 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 11 Mar 1996 15:21:25 +0100 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 15:21:25 +0100 Message-Id: <199603111421.AA20965@xs1.xs4all.nl> X-Sender: robert@xs4all.nl X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: robert@xs4all.nl (robert de geus) Subject: fnrg: Free Energy Conference Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I heard that there is a Free Energy Conference in Colorado, When is this Conference? Kind regards, Robert de Geus, Amsterdam From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Mar 11 11:04:01 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id LAA00873 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 11:01:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.bbtt.com (ns.bbtt.com [194.77.35.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA00688 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 11:00:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (harti.bbtt.com [194.77.35.75]) by ns.bbtt.com (8.6.9/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA10233; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 20:00:02 +0100 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 20:00:02 +0100 Message-Id: <199603111900.UAA10233@ns.bbtt.com> X-Sender: harti@bbtt.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) From: harti@bbtt.de (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: fnrg: Re: Amp Turns Cc: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >The whole issue concerning the technology of Joseph Newman's invention is >contained within the following question: Does the magnetic field produced >by a coil come from the current inputed into the coil or does it come from >the atoms comprising the coil? Using 30 gauge copper wire with .1 ohm >resistance per foot [each turn of wire consisting of 1 ft. of 30 gauge >wire], the following facts are shown if one uses a battery power source of >1.5 volts producing only a maximum of one amp: > >1.5 volts TIMES 1 amp EQUALS 1.5 watts input power going through 1 turn of >30 gauge wire EQUALS 1 amp turn strength of magnetic field produced. > >1.5 volts TIMES .05 amp EQUALS .075 watts input power going through 100 >turns of 30 gauge wire EQUALS 5 amp turns strength of magnetic field >produced. > >1.5 volts TIMES .005 amp EQUALS .0075 watts input power going through 1,000 >turns of 30 gauge wire EQUALS 5 amp turns strength of magnetic field >produced. > >1.5 volts TIMES .0005 amp EQUALS .00075 watts input power going through >10,000 turns of 30 gauge wire EQUALS 5 amp turns strength of magnetic field >produced. > >CONCLUSION: Observe that the current and watts input consistently >DECREASES as the number of turns of atoms comprising the coil INCREASES and >yet the strength of the magnetic field produced never decreases. Simply >put, the SAME strength magnetic field can be produced while consistently >DECREASING the current and watts input. > >The accuracy of the above mathematical results relating to Joseph Newman's >technology are confirmed by those results being applied for ANY reasonable >length of time, for instance, one hour. > >And not only consider the above, but consider the factually indisputable >proof presented on the VHS tape of the demonstration held on February 5, >1996 in Mobile, Alabama: at this demonstration I placed approximately >twice the current through a spool of 5 pounds of #10 gauge copper wire as I >did through a spool of 80 pounds of #10 gauge copper wire --- yet the 80 >pounds of #10 gauge copper wire produces FOUR TIMES the torque as did the 5 >pounds of #10 gauge copper wire and, very importantly, produces such >mechanical torque in 66% of the time [it takes to produce mechanical torque >in the smaller coil] which equals greater power (torque X time)! > >[There was a simple mechanical sensing needle placed in conjunction with >each coil which responded "torque-wise" to the strength of the each coil's >magnetic field.] > >These facts clearly prove that the magnetic field produced in a coil comes >from the ATOMS comprising the conductor and NOT from the watts or current >input as conventional science and the Patent Office incorrectly teach. > >Joseph Westley Newman > > >"You (Joseph Newman) have opened an area in Astrophysics which may >revolutionize the magnetic energy problem which is now the most paramount >problem in future energy and space travel. I do believe with proper >research funds, the results would not only be a great financial boom to >your financiers, but would lead to developments that will be practical and >beneficial to all mankind and develop a new step in science." > >Dr. E. L. Moragne >Moragne Research and Development Company >[Dr. Moragne was an electromagnetic pioneer in the development of the first >atomic bomb.] > > >-------------------------------------- > >Stefan, > >I'll be in touch with additional discussion --- wanted to send the above to >you ASAP -- got to run to some meetings today....'til later... > >Evan > > In normal electronics teaching it is said, that only the initial current to build up the magnetic field produces the magnetic field. If you have a room temperature zero resistence supra conductor wire, than you can keep the magnetic field forever and it does not matter how big the coil is... When not using supra conducting you shure can KEEP the magnetic field with lower energy input by using Newman coils, but the generated magnetic field requires still the same energy input, if small coils or Newman coils are used. With Newman coils it just takes longer to reach the same magnetic field strength, cause they have a higher inductance. I think, one reason why the Newman motors behave maybe strange is, that the permanent magnet is rotating inside the coil, while the magnetic field of the coil is building up and thus, when the coild is switched off from the battery pack the rotating magnet induced a bigger induction voltage back emf with a bigger energy output than without a rotating magnet... Maybe that the whole secret of the Newman motors... Regards, Stefan. > > > > -- Hartmann Multimedia Service _Buy our Internet MPEG CD-ROM ! Visit the WEB_ Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann _site below !_ Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30 344 23 66 FAX: ++ 49 30 344 92 79 email: harti@ddd.snafu.de harti@bbtt.com Web site: http://www.bbtt.com/harti/harti.html From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Mar 11 11:56:57 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id LAA12749 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 11:54:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost1.primenet.com (mailhost1.primenet.com [198.68.32.51]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA12685 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 11:54:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from usr1.primenet.com (root@usr1.primenet.com [198.68.32.11]) by mailhost1.primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id MAA11148 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:54:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from ip161.boi.primenet.com (ip161.boi.primenet.com [198.68.45.161]) by usr1.primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA26780 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:54:35 -0700 (MST) From: tannius@primenet.com (JOHN TANNIUS) To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: Emergy Energy Technology of Joseph Newman Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 20:01:48 GMT Message-Id: <31448442.515435@mailhost.primenet.com> References: <199603110613.BAA13319@gnn-2.gnn.com> In-Reply-To: <199603110613.BAA13319@gnn-2.gnn.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99d/32.168 Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Mon, 11 Mar 1996 00:59:33, you wrote: >>Joseph Newman has used a variety of batteries (as well as the city >>grid -- for voltage pressure purposes) --- and he STILL uses the >>SAME 250 V DC RayOVac batteries that he used over 10 years ago.. > > If a battery, which is recharged even as it is being used, >supplies the VOLTAGE, why use a city grid at all? If the batteries >that run the device last forever - so to speak - doesn't that >"close the loop"? > If it does, and if multiple viewers attest that the device works, >why isn't it in production? Please don't blame that on "the >establishment" because there isn't any such thing. If the device >can be profitable, the capitalistic system ENSURES that very many >people (including me) would want to get a piece of the action! Hmmm, establishment... No I would say it's the energy conglomerates that are suppressing new energy technology. They are trying to bleed every ounce of profit from their oil before it runs out. Also many oil and power companies have bought patents or otherwise obtained them and of course will withhold them from public view until such a time that THEY can profit from them. I am not paranoid (Well maybe a little) but it seems obvious to me that it's not a conspiracy so much as a matter of money (ok and power) that keeps all free-energy technology safely locked away. I could tell stories all day about people's clashes with the system, some of them friends of mine or instances where I myself was involved. As long as there is money to be made on our current fuel and energy sources it will be impracticle to run free energy on a global scale. Then of course there is the theoretical hazzards of zero point energy devices operating on a global scale, but that's another discussion altogether. John Tannius Knight Of The Celestial Dragon. Defender of dragons defeater of alien armadas. Professional adventurer for hire. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Mar 15 05:17:51 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id KAA20772 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:14:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from eagle.uis.edu (eagle.uis.edu [192.102.230.251]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA20649 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:13:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by eagle.uis.edu (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA281308090; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:14:50 -0600 From: Jim Logue Message-Id: <199603111814.AA281308090@eagle.uis.edu> Subject: fnrg: Free Energy Conference Colorado To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:14:49 -0800 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199603111421.AA20965@xs1.xs4all.nl> from "robert de geus" at Mar 11, 96 03:21:25 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: INE Conference April 25-28, 1996 at Denver Hilton Hotel in Denver CO INE 1304 S. College Fort Collins, CO 80524 Note entire conference seems to be energy or free energy related matters. Jim Logue > > I heard that there is a Free Energy Conference in Colorado, > When is this Conference? > Kind regards, > Robert de Geus, > Amsterdam > > From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Mar 11 13:38:44 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id NAA03696 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 13:37:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from dns1.noc.best.net (root@dns1.noc.best.net [206.86.8.69]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA03665 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 13:36:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from [205.149.162.154] (bailey.vip.best.com [205.149.162.154]) by dns1.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA02488; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 13:36:39 -0800 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 13:36:39 -0800 X-Sender: bailey@best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com, robert@xs4all.nl (robert de geus) From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: fnrg: 4/25-28/96 Free Energy Conference Announcement Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >I heard that there is a Free Energy Conference in Colorado, >When is this Conference? >Kind regards, >Robert de Geus, >Amsterdam Hello there in Amsterdam! The typed and bound Proceedings of this conference will be available either at the conference or soon thereafter for about $60.00 USD. This HTML source file is taken from: www.padrak.com/ine/ I wrote it. The Third International Symposium On New Energy Return to INE Main Page 

THE THIRD INTERNATIONAL SYMPOSIUM ON NEW ENERGY

ANNOUNCEMENT AND CALL FOR PAPERS

(Received January 22, 1996)

A SYMPOSIUM FOR PROFESSIONALS, INDUSTRY, LAY PEOPLE AND NEWS MEDIA

April 25-28, 1996

Denver Hilton South Hotel
Denver, Colorado

CALL FOR PAPERS AND ABSTRACTS

Scholarly papers are invited on any topic related to New Energy as defined
herein.  These papers should include one or more of the following:  theories,
designs, inventions, and research results.  Speakers are encouraged to bring
hardware.  Abstracts of not more than 400 words must be sent as soon as
possible to the address below.

Consideration of abstracts cannot be assured if received after March 15, 1996.
Authors will be notified as soon as possible if the paper is accepted for
presentation.  Camera ready manuscripts for the proceedings are due March 15,
1996.

     Symposium on New Energy
     International Association for New Science (IANS)
     1304 S. College Avenue
     Fort Collins, CO 80524
     TEL 970-482-3731
     FAX 970-482-3120

SYMPOSIUM DATES AND TIMES

April 25 (Thursday)  Evening Workshops  6:30 pm - 9:30 pm

April 26 (Friday)    Lectures           8:30 am - 5:00 pm
                     Evening Workshops  6:30 pm - 9:30 pm

April 27 (Saturday)  Lectures           8:30 am - 5:00 pm
                     Evening Workshops  6:30 pm - 9:30 pm

April 28 (Sunday)    Lectures           8:30 am - 5:00 pm
                     Evening Workshops  6:30 pm - 9:30 pm

LOCATION

The Symposium will take place at the Denver Hilton South Hotel, 7801 East
Orchard Road, Englewood, Colorado 80111.  (Englewood is in the south part of
Denver.)  A private shuttle bus service is available from the airport.
Purchase tickets at ground transportation (DASH), a round-trip ticket is
$27.00.  For hotel reservations, call 1-800-327-2242.

ROOM RATES

The room rate for a single room or a double room with two double beds is
$59.00.  A block of rooms has been reserved.  Please register before April 4
to assure a room and this low rate, and mention that you are with the
International Symposium on New Energy.  The hotel also has suites available
with a king size bed and a pull out sofa bed.  Small suites are $195.00 and
the large suites with a four person jacuzzi are $275.00.

POSTER BOARD DISPLAY AND NEW ENERGY EXHIBIT

Researchers who are not speakers will have an opportunity to display their
research findings by means of designated poster boards.  Researchers' New
Energy Inventions will be displayed and demonstrated in an exhibit area.

WORKSHOPS, BANQUET AND PROCEEDINGS

Some of the speakers will present concurrent workshops on the evenings of
April 25-28.  The fee is $20.00 each.  A banquet will be held Sunday at noon.
The banquet fee is $25.00.  A proceedings of the Symposium will be published
and available at the conference.

HARDWARE TESTING

Researchers who wish to bring their working hardware or invention to the
Symposium can elect to have them tested for their efficiency without charge.
These tests will be administered with the inventor present by accredited
engineers familiar with new energy concepts.  Some testing will be done in
association with Colorado State University.

AIRFARE DISCOUNT

Jacoby Travel/Coble Cruise has been selected as the official travel agency and
United Airlines as the official carrier.  Special discount airfares have been
arranged for participants traveling to Colorado.  Call your special
representative at Jacoby Travel/Coble Cruise to accommodate your needs at 1-
800-366-0382 or 1-970-669-6550.

REGISTRATION

It is encouraged that attendees preregister as space is limited.  Registration
will also occur at the door, beginning Thursday, April 25 at 3:00 p.m.

Registration Fees: (10% Discount for IANS Members)

Before March 1, 1996:  $200.00

Before April 1, 1996:  $250.00

After  April 1, 1996:  $300.00

Workshops:             $20.00 each

Banquet:               $25.00

IANS Membership is $35.00 per year, and includes the quarterly newsletter.

Speakers at the conference are expected to include:

Keynote Speakers:

Dennis Cravens:  Patterson Cold Fusion Power Cell (Over Unity Device)
Mark Hendershot:  Hendershot Motor
Harold Puthoff, PhD:  Zero Point Energy
Jim Griggs:  Hyrosonic Pump (Over Unity Device)
Eugene Mallove, ScD:  Cold Fusion
Tom Valone:  Free Energy and Propulsion
Edgar Mitchell, former Apollo Astronaut:  New Energy Update

Other Speakers:

Harold Aspden:  Ferromagnetics (Over Unity Device)
Robert Emmerich:  Measuring Energy
John Grow:  Anti-Gravity
William Hyde:  Electrostatic Generator (Over Unity Device)
Scott Klaumizio:  Power from Food Oils
Ron Kovac:  Transmutation of Elements
Peter Linderman:  Thermodynamics
Roy McAllister:  Hydrogen Energy
Bill Muller:  Magnetic Motor Generator
Dale Pond:  The Keely Motor
Troy Reed:  Magnetic Motors and More
Bert Werjefelt:  Magnetic Motor
Charles Yost:  Electric Space Craft Propulsion
Paulo Correa, PhD:  Pulse Abnormal Glow Discharge Reactor
Hal Fox:  Cold Fusion
John Hutchison:  Anti-Gravity/Energy Converter
Russ James:  Magnetic Emission Reduction Device
Don Kelly:  Free Energy Update
Win Lambertson (assignee):  Solid State Conversion
Jeanne Manning:  The Upcoming Energy Revolution
Andrew Michrowski:  Free Energy in Self-Sustaining Home
Brian O'Leary, PhD:  Miracle in the Void
Wing Pon:  A Unified Theory of the Free Energy Paradigm
Pierre Sinclair:  Gravitational Magnetic Drive (anti-gravity)
Dan Winter:  Gravitational Energy and Emotion
AND MANY MORE!

DEFINITION OF NEW ENERGY

New Energy or advanced energy technology includes theory, research,
construction, and testing of advanced energy devices.  These devices and
systems operate with a higher efficiency than those used today and include
advanced concepts where energy conversion may appear to be over unity.  This
means that a greater output of energy from a system compared to the energy
input.

NEW ENERGY TOPICS

Space power generators, "over-unity" and "free-energy" machines, Scalar wave
theory, magnetic motors, vortex mechanics, cold fusion, electrostatic
generators, nuclear isotopes, hydrogen, motional magnetic fields, zero point
energy, N-Machines, homopolar generators, transmutation of elements, anti-
gravity devices, and environmentally friendly energy sources.

PURPOSE

The purpose of the International Symposium on New Energy (ISNE) is to bring
together outstanding New Energy researchers and their hardware, who will share
and discuss their latest research findings.  The goals of the Symposium are to
stimulate new research ideas, coalesce researchers with industry, and to find
funding sources.

[Taken from the IANS Newsletter Flyer received January 22, 1996]
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From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Mar 15 05:17:52 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id OAA10896 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 14:10:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from milkyway.nectech.com (root@milkyway.nectech.com [128.191.16.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA10802 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 14:10:03 -0800 (PST) From: rshannon@nectech.com Received: from ccgate2.nectech.com (ccgate2.nectech.com [128.191.49.151]) by milkyway.nectech.com (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA24172 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 17:00:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by ccgate2.nectech.com (SMTPLINK V2.11 PreRelease 4) id AA826592896; Mon, 11 Mar 96 16:57:41 EST Date: Mon, 11 Mar 96 16:57:41 EST Message-Id: <9602118265.AA826592896@ccgate2.nectech.com> To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Newman tests and evidence. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >>>At 02:49 21.02.1996 EST, sysop@intermax.com wrote: >>>I did a number of experiments where I looked at the size and color >>>temperature of the arc when you disconect a massive coil. I used >>>three heavy (35 pounds each) power transformers connected in >>>series, adding one at a time. I found that for the same power >>>input you get a bigger higher color temperature arc as you increase >>>the mass of the coils in the series circuit. This inductive kick >>>arc was dependent on the coil mass in the circuit. More mass gave >>>you a higher color temperature arc, and thus more energy, as energy >>>is porportional to frequency. e=hf. >>Stefan Hartmann wrote: >>That is right, same experience over here... >>Only his first massive coil "monsters" had some nice >>effects, the smaller you build it, the more uneffective it gets... >>How did you measure the arc temperature ? >I found my eyes worked better than photo cell & solar cell >measurments I attempted. The first series of experiments does not show that more mass gave higher energy levels, as the larger coil has a higher inductance than the smaller coil, and stores more energy in it's magnetic field. To prove this claim, you will need two inductors of the same inductance, but differing masses, and then show that there is a difference in stored energy. Another way to prove this claim would be to measure how much energy went into these two different inductors, it was not the same in the experiment described, nor was the energy measured. If higher amounts of copper did produce higher energy levels, a higher current rating inductor would store more energy than an inductor of the same inductance at a lower current rating. This simply is not the case, as using a heavier wire gauge does not increase the inductance of a coil by itself. The energy stored is always related to the inductance, not the mass of the coil, as has been claimed here. The spark temperature cannot be evaluated accurately simply by eyeballing the discharge. This is especially true if any AC current is flowing through the inductors. Breaking the circuit at different parts of the AC cycle will produce widely different discharge intensities with the same coil. A portion of a discussion on amper-turns floated by, which can fully explain the torque measurements described in an earlier posting. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Mar 12 00:09:03 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id AAA28111 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 12 Mar 1996 00:07:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from bukula.enternet.com.au (bukula.enternet.com.au [203.63.18.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA28069 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 1996 00:07:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from e2a116.enternet.com.au (sladl1p22.ozemail.com.au [203.7.185.38]) by bukula.enternet.com.au with SMTP id TAA13060 (8.6.11/IDA-1.6); Tue, 12 Mar 1996 19:07:21 +1100 Message-ID: <31453131.970@mail.enternet.com.au> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 17:39:21 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: BMS Technology X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0GoldB1 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com CC: gwatson@bukula.enternet.com.au Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: Amp Turns References: <199603111900.UAA10233@ns.bbtt.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > >The whole issue concerning the technology of Joseph Newman's invention is > >contained within the following question: Does the magnetic field produced > >by a coil come from the current inputed into the coil or does it come from > >the atoms comprising the coil? Using 30 gauge copper wire with .1 ohm > >resistance per foot [each turn of wire consisting of 1 ft. of 30 gauge > >wire], the following facts are shown if one uses a battery power source of > >1.5 volts producing only a maximum of one amp: > > > >1.5 volts TIMES 1 amp EQUALS 1.5 watts input power going through 1 turn of > >30 gauge wire EQUALS 1 amp turn strength of magnetic field produced. > > > >1.5 volts TIMES .05 amp EQUALS .075 watts input power going through 100 > >turns of 30 gauge wire EQUALS 5 amp turns strength of magnetic field > >produced. > > > >1.5 volts TIMES .005 amp EQUALS .0075 watts input power going through 1,000 > >turns of 30 gauge wire EQUALS 5 amp turns strength of magnetic field > >produced. > > > >1.5 volts TIMES .0005 amp EQUALS .00075 watts input power going through > >10,000 turns of 30 gauge wire EQUALS 5 amp turns strength of magnetic field > >produced. > > > >CONCLUSION: Observe that the current and watts input consistently > >DECREASES as the number of turns of atoms comprising the coil INCREASES and > >yet the strength of the magnetic field produced never decreases. Simply > >put, the SAME strength magnetic field can be produced while consistently > >DECREASING the current and watts input. > > > >The accuracy of the above mathematical results relating to Joseph Newman's > >technology are confirmed by those results being applied for ANY reasonable > >length of time, for instance, one hour. > > > >And not only consider the above, but consider the factually indisputable > >proof presented on the VHS tape of the demonstration held on February 5, > >1996 in Mobile, Alabama: at this demonstration I placed approximately > >twice the current through a spool of 5 pounds of #10 gauge copper wire as I > >did through a spool of 80 pounds of #10 gauge copper wire --- yet the 80 > >pounds of #10 gauge copper wire produces FOUR TIMES the torque as did the 5 > >pounds of #10 gauge copper wire and, very importantly, produces such > >mechanical torque in 66% of the time [it takes to produce mechanical torque > >in the smaller coil] which equals greater power (torque X time)! > > > >[There was a simple mechanical sensing needle placed in conjunction with > >each coil which responded "torque-wise" to the strength of the each coil's > >magnetic field.] > > > >These facts clearly prove that the magnetic field produced in a coil comes > >from the ATOMS comprising the conductor and NOT from the watts or current > >input as conventional science and the Patent Office incorrectly teach. > > > >Joseph Westley Newman > > > > > >"You (Joseph Newman) have opened an area in Astrophysics which may > >revolutionize the magnetic energy problem which is now the most paramount > >problem in future energy and space travel. I do believe with proper > >research funds, the results would not only be a great financial boom to > >your financiers, but would lead to developments that will be practical and > >beneficial to all mankind and develop a new step in science." > > > >Dr. E. L. Moragne > >Moragne Research and Development Company > >[Dr. Moragne was an electromagnetic pioneer in the development of the first > >atomic bomb.] > > > > > >-------------------------------------- > > > >Stefan, > > > >I'll be in touch with additional discussion --- wanted to send the above to > >you ASAP -- got to run to some meetings today....'til later... > > > >Evan > > > > > In normal electronics teaching it is said, that only the initial current to > build up the > magnetic field produces the magnetic field. > If you have a room temperature zero resistence supra conductor wire, than > you can keep the magnetic field forever and it does not matter how big the > coil is... > > When not using supra conducting you shure can KEEP the magnetic field > with lower energy input by using Newman coils, but the generated magnetic field > requires still the same energy input, if small coils or Newman coils are used. > With Newman coils it just takes longer to reach the same magnetic field > strength, cause they have a higher inductance. > > I think, one reason why the Newman motors behave maybe strange is, > that the permanent magnet is rotating inside the coil, while the magnetic > field of the coil is building up and thus, when the coild is switched off > from the battery pack the rotating magnet induced a bigger induction voltage > back emf with a bigger energy output than without a rotating magnet... > > Maybe that the whole secret of the Newman motors... > > Regards, Stefan. > Hi Stefan, Evans, Mr. Newman, Ok guys, lets do a reality check. Newman's statements are basically correct for STEADY STATE (saturated) coils. Magnets do an even better job (NO current/power/heat at all!). In the real world of motors, we have to deal with Time, Inductance and RL curves. Increasing coil windings by 10x will increase DC Resistance and decrease Current as indicated. Actually even more as outer layer windings take more wire. However Inductance will also increase by the square of the turns, ie by 100x. As Resistance also has increased by 10x, the coil will take 10x as long in Time to reach the same field strength. 1/10 the Current by 10x the Time means the Joules (Watt/seconds) inputted to the coil remain constant. Hope you understand this Mr. Newman, motors are dynamic, NOT STATIC devices. Coil energy is a function of Inductance, Current ramp-up, Voltage, Resistance and Time NOT just Voltage and Current. I am NOT saying your device doesn't work, just ALL the data I have obtained from the NET on your Motor may not show all the features in their best light. I do firmly believe that a better understanding of ferromagnetics does hold the key to a future we ALL seek. If it works..............it works, If it doesn't............it doesn't. Greg Watson, Let's make it happen!! From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Mar 15 05:23:00 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id GAA10988 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 12 Mar 1996 06:52:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id GAA10925 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 1996 06:52:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.5) id GAA28060; Tue, 12 Mar 1996 06:52:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 06:52:06 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Newman challenge In-Reply-To: <199603101354.IAA08572@gnn-2.gnn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Sun, 10 Mar 1996 glird@gnn.com wrote: > If the device can recharge its own battery even as it does > outside work, doesn't that allow the process to be "self powering"? > If the system does work that way, won't it last and run for periods > of time far in excess of any usual battery-operated devices? The last I heard, the Newman motor would do more work than its battery bank should allow, but then the batteries would fail. If this is true, the cause of the failure should be determined before anyone can be sure that the device is overunity. It might be that the high-voltage pulses are extracting conventional chemical energy from the battery more efficiently than a normal load would. It might be that even in an apparently "dead" battery there is still energy, and the Newman motor is drawing on this energy. If however the Newman motor is drawing out 10x or 100x more energy from a battery than a normal load would, then overunity is a much more logical explanation for it. ..............................freenrg-list................................ William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd Moderator: FREENRG-LIST VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Mar 15 05:30:36 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id GAA11449 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 12 Mar 1996 06:55:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id GAA11379 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 1996 06:55:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.5) id GAA28170; Tue, 12 Mar 1996 06:54:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 06:54:56 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Laura Lee show on tstradio! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hey, there was a message on NEOTECH that the Laura Lee radio show on unconventional science is now on Realaudio. I put the link on my Weird Science page. The Tstradio site is $$$$, but they give you 6hrs free for filling out the form. I don't have slip/ppp, so I haven't tried out the site myself. ..............................freenrg-list................................ William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd Moderator: FREENRG-LIST VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 20:59:01 +0000 From: snet@world.std.com To: Multiple recipients of list NEOTECH Subject: shows available with real audio http://www.tstradio.com/lee2.html The Laura Lee Show ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Shows now available: "It's All in Your Head", Mercury toxicity in fillings Dr. Hal Huggins 1/20/96 "It's All In Your Head" Mercury in fillings Dr. Hal Huggins 1/21/96 Existence of other life in the universe: Mark Taylor Cannfield - Astronomer 1/21/96 Self-publishing - Books: Mark Ortman - "Simple Guide to Self-Publishing" 1/21/96 Self-publishing - Books: Mark Ortman - "Simple Guide to Self-Publishing" 1/21/96 Breakthrough in "cold fusion" for energy production. 1/28/96 HF active auroral research project: extremely low-frequency pulses affect us in many ways. 1/28/96 Sensory enhancement research and other new developments. 1/28/96 The ancients knew more than we give them credit for; further information about new advances in health enhancement. 1/28/96 World grid: the mathematics of the placements of monuments, with Carl Muntford. 2/4/96 More from Carl Muntford on the mathematical language coded into the placement of monuments within the "world grid". 2/4/96 Did Egypt once have a king who came from an extraterrestrial source? 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I've been to the lecture held 1996-03-10 by John Searl at the Middlesex University Business College outside London, England. Am I the only person on this list who were there? I'll post more on this soon. 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I watched a portion of a show on the Discovery channel tonight that highlighted the US government's involvement in remote viewing. It was a fascinating program, which made me a bit less skeptical about RV. The name of the show was "Psi Files: X-Files". It is on again at 2:00 AM this morning (3-12-96). Perhaps any of you reading this message soon can watch it too!! -Brian From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Mar 15 11:03:23 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id KAA17580 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 10:59:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from milkyway.nectech.com (root@milkyway.nectech.com [128.191.16.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA17552 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 10:59:37 -0800 (PST) From: rshannon@nectech.com Received: from ccgate2.nectech.com (ccgate2.nectech.com [128.191.49.151]) by milkyway.nectech.com (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA10988 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 13:41:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by ccgate2.nectech.com (SMTPLINK V2.11 PreRelease 4) id AA826926420; Fri, 15 Mar 96 13:26:36 EST Date: Fri, 15 Mar 96 13:26:36 EST Message-Id: <9602158269.AA826926420@ccgate2.nectech.com> To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Scalar detector plans deadline! Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hello to all, Well, my self imposed deadline for the release of the scalar detector plans has arrived. I am pleased to announce that I have completed patching some text together from unfinished manuscripts, and updated the schematics, etc. This took a bit longer than I had expected, as the discussion of detector design theory was originally based on the presentation of a number of different detector designs. As only one original design is being released at this time, the test on detector design needed major revisions. You might well find references to designs or detector parameters that are not illustrated by any of the detector designs presented, but I have attempted to eliminate as much of this as is practical. I will be running one more last run through and spell check tonight, and then sending the text off to Bill Beaty over this weekend. I have made arrangements to scan the schematics, and several photographs of a completed unit, as well as a macro shot showing the crystal grain structure of the core material. This particular file might be a bit large in size to preserve the contrast needed to identify the proper crystal grain structure for detector core materials. These photographs will be in electronic format on next Monday, and then transmitted to Bill Monday evening. Arrangements have also been made to supply a limited amount of pre selected core material to interested builders. If demand is great, I may have to send more out to be cut to size. I don't expect this to be a problem. The details of just how this material will be made available is being finalized now. If desired, laser printed copies of the schematics and text can also be provided. Should the quality of the images suffer due to scanning, I could have prints produced at a reasonable cost as well. Details on the availability of these materials will be posted once the design files are on line. I'd like to thank everyone for their interest, and I hope this device will live up to your expectations. I will of course stand by to answer any question this design might raise, and help any builders that might run into difficulties in reproducing or modifying this design. Enjoy! From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Mar 16 05:27:13 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id PAA01097 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 15:21:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.bbtt.com (ns.bbtt.com [194.77.35.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA01044 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 15:21:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (harti.bbtt.com [194.77.35.75]) by ns.bbtt.com (8.6.9/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA21937 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 00:20:38 +0100 Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 00:20:38 +0100 Message-Id: <199603152320.AAA21937@ns.bbtt.com> X-Sender: harti@bbtt.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: harti@bbtt.de (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: fnrg: ADDITIONAL CORROBORATIVE NEWS. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >X-POP3-Rcpt: harti@ns >Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 18:26:48 -0800 >To: Stewardo@msn.com >From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) >Subject: ADDITIONAL CORROBORATIVE NEWS. > >DECLARATION FOLLOWING EXTENSIVE TESTING OF 5,000 LB AND 900 LB UNITS > >This letter represents a disclosure of investigations and experimentation >which I have performed on Joseph Newman's energy generating machine. The >fact is that every experiment which I have performed shows that the energy >output of the device is indeed larger than the energy input. Some examples >are: > >1) The electrical energy output is measured at more than four times the >electrical energy input. > >2) Acting as a motor, Joseph Newman's device performed mechanical work in >excess of ten times the electrical energy input. > >3) Joseph Newman's device delivers over ten times the torque of a >commercial D.C. permanent magnet motor rated at 80% efficiency. However, >during this test Joseph Newman's device is consuming only a fraction of the >input power of the commercial motor. > >4) These results must be taken seriously. Joseph Newman has made the >observation that huge magnetic fields may be generated with minimal power >input in a large coil wound with large diameter wire. This coil creates a >very large torque on a suitably large permanent magnet. In operation, the >batteries powering the coil consume little power and discharge at a very >slow rate. Yet the motor delivers considerable mechanical and/or >electrically generated power. > >It is fascinating to observe that Joseph Newman has arrived at this >invention on the basis of his theoretical work, coupled with years of >experimentation on electromagnetic energy. The fact that Joseph Newman is >self-taught, with no formal training in advanced mathematics or physics, is >apparent in his writings. Yet he has been rigorously consistent in the >development of a model of matter and energy, and furthermore has fortified >his model with experimentation. His model is based on the assumption that >matter is concentrated electromagnetic energy. He predicts that this >energy (E=MCsquared) may be released in a controlled way, and his >experiments verify the prediction. > >The future of the human race may be dramatically uplifted by the large >scale commercial development of this invention. It is indeed painful to >see it lying dormant. > >Dr. Roger Hastings, PhD. >Principal Physicist, Unisys Corporation >Former Associate Professor of Physics >North Dakota State University > >------------------------------------------------------ >[Note: Since the testing performed on the above Newman Motors, numerous >improvements/innovations have been made to subsequent Newman Motor >designs.] > > >Evan Soule >Director of Information >Newman Energy Systems > >telephone numbers: >(601) 947-7147 or >(504) 524-3063 > >addresses: >Route 1, Box 52, Lucedale, MS 39452 USA or >P.O. Box 57684, New Orleans, Louisiana 70157-7684 > >email: >josephnewman@earthlink.net or >johntesla@aol.com. > > > > -- Hartmann Multimedia Service _Buy our Internet MPEG CD-ROM ! Visit the WEB_ Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann _site below !_ Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30 344 23 66 FAX: ++ 49 30 344 92 79 email: harti@ddd.snafu.de harti@bbtt.de Web site: http://www.bbtt.com/harti/harti.html From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Mar 16 04:52:17 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id PAA00958 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 15:20:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.bbtt.com (ns.bbtt.com [194.77.35.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA00897 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 15:20:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (harti.bbtt.com [194.77.35.75]) by ns.bbtt.com (8.6.9/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA21941 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 00:21:02 +0100 Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 00:21:02 +0100 Message-Id: <199603152321.AAA21941@ns.bbtt.com> X-Sender: harti@bbtt.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: harti@bbtt.de (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: fnrg: CORROBORATIVE NEWS! Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >X-POP3-Rcpt: harti@ns >Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 19:07:01 -0800 >X-Sender: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Unverified) >To: Stewardo@msn.com >From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) >Subject: CORROBORATIVE NEWS! > >IT COME TO OUR ATTENTION THAT A RESEARCH REPORT PUBLISHED IN THE JOURNAL OF >APPLIED PHYSICS (Volume 77, Issue 11, pages 6015-6020) PUBLISHED BY THE >AMERICAN INSTITUTE OF PHYSICS, FURTHER VALIDATES THE PIONEERING WORK OF >INVENTOR JOSPEPH NEWMAN. > >TITLE: >Increased Voltage Phenomenon in a Resonance Circuit of Unconventional >Magnetic Configuration > >PREFACE: >The behavior of an LCR (inductance-capacitance-resistance) circuit with a >moveable ferromagnetic core is discussed. The core is attracted by a >magnetic field generated by an electric current resulting from the >discharge of a capacitor in the closed LCR circuit. An unusual increase in >recharge voltage, which was dependent on the magnetic configuration of the >coil, was observed. This voltage increase does not conform to the >mathematical simulation of the system. The possibility that a positive >electromotive force was involved in this effect is discussed. > >------------------------------------------------------ >The following is a particularly interesting statement from this article: >------------------------------------------------------ > >"Generally speaking, it is expected that the total recharge voltage will >decrease because this system produces mechanical output as the core moves. >However, through a series of experiments, it was discovered that results >depend on the magnetic configuration of the coils used in the circuit. In >other words, for a certain kind of magnetic field, the opposite result >could occur --- an increase in the average current and recharge voltage. >To confirm the above observations, an experiment was conducted, which is >described in this article." > >------------------------------------------------------ >The following was one of the final conclusions presented in this article: >------------------------------------------------------ > >"It can be postulated that the complex movement of magnetic flux generates >a positive EMF, but the cause of the voltage increase is not clear." > >------------------------------------------------------ > >Through his research over the past 30 years and as demonstrated in his >numerous experiments and working prototypes, Joseph Newman has presented a >comprehensive explanation for the cause of the "voltage increase" described >in the above article. I urge the reader to locate a copy of this research >article from the Journal of Applied Physics, published by the American >Institute of Physics, and review it for yourself. > >Evan Soule >Director of Information >Newman Energy Systems > >telephone numbers: >(601) 947-7147 or >(504) 524-3063 > >addresses: >Route 1, Box 52, Lucedale, MS 39452 USA or >P.O. Box 57684, New Orleans, Louisiana 70157-7684 > >email: >josephnewman@earthlink.net or >johntesla@aol.com. > > > > -- Hartmann Multimedia Service _Buy our Internet MPEG CD-ROM ! Visit the WEB_ Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann _site below !_ Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30 344 23 66 FAX: ++ 49 30 344 92 79 email: harti@ddd.snafu.de harti@bbtt.de Web site: http://www.bbtt.com/harti/harti.html From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Mar 16 04:48:56 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id PAA02210 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 15:28:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.htp.com (mail.htp.com [199.171.4.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA02125 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 15:28:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from wb187.htp.net (wb187.htp.net [206.112.48.187]) by mail.htp.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id SAA22458 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 18:33:58 -0500 Message-Id: <199603152333.SAA22458@mail.htp.com> X-Sender: sac@mail.htp.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 18:26:12 -0500 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: John Mecca Subject: Re: fnrg: Scalar detector plans deadline! Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Having not read the supposition of the concept I am in the dark . When you say scalar are you making reference to the eqipotential waves emmanating from high intensity hi frequency electrical discharges . And the detection of such pulses . At 01:26 PM 3/15/96 EST, you wrote: > Hello to all, > > Well, my self imposed deadline for the release of the scalar detector > plans has arrived. I am pleased to announce that I have completed > patching some text together from unfinished manuscripts, and updated > the schematics, etc. This took a bit longer than I had expected, as > the discussion of detector design theory was originally based on the > presentation of a number of different detector designs. > > As only one original design is being released at this time, the test > on detector design needed major revisions. You might well find > references to designs or detector parameters that are not illustrated > by any of the detector designs presented, but I have attempted to > eliminate as much of this as is practical. > > I will be running one more last run through and spell check tonight, > and then sending the text off to Bill Beaty over this weekend. > > I have made arrangements to scan the schematics, and several > photographs of a completed unit, as well as a macro shot showing the > crystal grain structure of the core material. This particular file > might be a bit large in size to preserve the contrast needed to > identify the proper crystal grain structure for detector core > materials. These photographs will be in electronic format on next > Monday, and then transmitted to Bill Monday evening. > > Arrangements have also been made to supply a limited amount of pre > selected core material to interested builders. If demand is great, I > may have to send more out to be cut to size. I don't expect this to > be a problem. The details of just how this material will be made > available is being finalized now. If desired, laser printed copies of > the schematics and text can also be provided. Should the quality of > the images suffer due to scanning, I could have prints produced at a > reasonable cost as well. Details on the availability of these > materials will be posted once the design files are on line. > > I'd like to thank everyone for their interest, and I hope this device > will live up to your expectations. I will of course stand by to > answer any question this design might raise, and help any builders > that might run into difficulties in reproducing or modifying this > design. > > Enjoy! > > > -- Registered ICC User check out http://www.usefulware.com/~jfoltz From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Mar 16 05:29:26 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id PAA00437 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 15:17:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from bukula.enternet.com.au (bukula.enternet.com.au [203.63.18.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA29946 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 15:15:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from e2a116.enternet.com.au (e2a116.ade.enternet.com.au [203.63.43.116]) by bukula.enternet.com.au with SMTP id KAA03333 (8.6.11/IDA-1.6); Sat, 16 Mar 1996 10:10:14 +1100 Message-ID: <314A0683.21EB@mail.enternet.com.au> Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 09:38:35 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: BMS Technology X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0GoldB1 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com CC: gwatson@bukula.enternet.com.au Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: Amp Turns References: <199603111900.UAA10233@ns.bbtt.com> <31453131.970@mail.enternet.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Greg Watson wrote: > > Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > > > >The whole issue concerning the technology of Joseph Newman's invention is > > >contained within the following question: Does the magnetic field produced > > >by a coil come from the current inputed into the coil or does it come from > > >the atoms comprising the coil? Using 30 gauge copper wire with .1 ohm > > >resistance per foot [each turn of wire consisting of 1 ft. of 30 gauge > > >wire], the following facts are shown if one uses a battery power source of > > >1.5 volts producing only a maximum of one amp: > > > > > >1.5 volts TIMES 1 amp EQUALS 1.5 watts input power going through 1 turn of > > >30 gauge wire EQUALS 1 amp turn strength of magnetic field produced. > > > > > >1.5 volts TIMES .05 amp EQUALS .075 watts input power going through 100 > > >turns of 30 gauge wire EQUALS 5 amp turns strength of magnetic field > > >produced. > > > > > >1.5 volts TIMES .005 amp EQUALS .0075 watts input power going through 1,000 > > >turns of 30 gauge wire EQUALS 5 amp turns strength of magnetic field > > >produced. > > > > > >1.5 volts TIMES .0005 amp EQUALS .00075 watts input power going through > > >10,000 turns of 30 gauge wire EQUALS 5 amp turns strength of magnetic field > > >produced. > > > > > >CONCLUSION: Observe that the current and watts input consistently > > >DECREASES as the number of turns of atoms comprising the coil INCREASES and > > >yet the strength of the magnetic field produced never decreases. Simply > > >put, the SAME strength magnetic field can be produced while consistently > > >DECREASING the current and watts input. > > > > > >The accuracy of the above mathematical results relating to Joseph Newman's > > >technology are confirmed by those results being applied for ANY reasonable > > >length of time, for instance, one hour. > > > > > >And not only consider the above, but consider the factually indisputable > > >proof presented on the VHS tape of the demonstration held on February 5, > > >1996 in Mobile, Alabama: at this demonstration I placed approximately > > >twice the current through a spool of 5 pounds of #10 gauge copper wire as I > > >did through a spool of 80 pounds of #10 gauge copper wire --- yet the 80 > > >pounds of #10 gauge copper wire produces FOUR TIMES the torque as did the 5 > > >pounds of #10 gauge copper wire and, very importantly, produces such > > >mechanical torque in 66% of the time [it takes to produce mechanical torque > > >in the smaller coil] which equals greater power (torque X time)! > > > > > >[There was a simple mechanical sensing needle placed in conjunction with > > >each coil which responded "torque-wise" to the strength of the each coil's > > >magnetic field.] > > > > > >These facts clearly prove that the magnetic field produced in a coil comes > > >from the ATOMS comprising the conductor and NOT from the watts or current > > >input as conventional science and the Patent Office incorrectly teach. > > > > > >Joseph Westley Newman > > > > > > > > >"You (Joseph Newman) have opened an area in Astrophysics which may > > >revolutionize the magnetic energy problem which is now the most paramount > > >problem in future energy and space travel. I do believe with proper > > >research funds, the results would not only be a great financial boom to > > >your financiers, but would lead to developments that will be practical and > > >beneficial to all mankind and develop a new step in science." > > > > > >Dr. E. L. Moragne > > >Moragne Research and Development Company > > >[Dr. Moragne was an electromagnetic pioneer in the development of the first > > >atomic bomb.] > > > > > > > > >-------------------------------------- > > > > > >Stefan, > > > > > >I'll be in touch with additional discussion --- wanted to send the above to > > >you ASAP -- got to run to some meetings today....'til later... > > > > > >Evan > > > > > > > > In normal electronics teaching it is said, that only the initial current to > > build up the > > magnetic field produces the magnetic field. > > If you have a room temperature zero resistence supra conductor wire, than > > you can keep the magnetic field forever and it does not matter how big the > > coil is... > > > > When not using supra conducting you shure can KEEP the magnetic field > > with lower energy input by using Newman coils, but the generated magnetic field > > requires still the same energy input, if small coils or Newman coils are used. > > With Newman coils it just takes longer to reach the same magnetic field > > strength, cause they have a higher inductance. > > > > I think, one reason why the Newman motors behave maybe strange is, > > that the permanent magnet is rotating inside the coil, while the magnetic > > field of the coil is building up and thus, when the coild is switched off > > from the battery pack the rotating magnet induced a bigger induction voltage > > back emf with a bigger energy output than without a rotating magnet... > > > > Maybe that the whole secret of the Newman motors... > > > > Regards, Stefan. > > > > Hi Stefan, Evans, Mr. Newman, > > Ok guys, lets do a reality check. > > Newman's statements are basically correct for STEADY STATE (saturated) coils. > Magnets do an even better job (NO current/power/heat at all!). > > In the real world of motors, we have to deal with Time, Inductance and RL > curves. Increasing coil windings by 10x will increase DC Resistance and > decrease Current as indicated. Actually even more as outer layer windings > take more wire. However Inductance will also increase by the square of the > turns, ie by 100x. As Resistance also has increased by 10x, the coil will > take 10x as long in Time to reach the same field strength. 1/10 the Current > by 10x the Time means the Joules (Watt/seconds) inputted to the coil remain > constant. > > Hope you understand this Mr. Newman, motors are dynamic, NOT STATIC > devices. Coil energy is a function of Inductance, Current ramp-up, Voltage, > Resistance and Time NOT just Voltage and Current. > > I am NOT saying your device doesn't work, just ALL the data I have obtained > from the NET on your Motor may not show all the features in their best light. > > I do firmly believe that a better understanding of ferromagnetics does hold > the key to a future we ALL seek. > > If it works..............it works, > If it doesn't............it doesn't. > > Greg Watson, > Let's make it happen!! Dont know if above made it to the group. Seems I was removed from the group disconnected shortly afterward. Greg Watson. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Mar 15 15:59:57 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id PAA06174 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 15:56:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from bukula.enternet.com.au (bukula.enternet.com.au [203.63.18.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA06105 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 15:55:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from e2a116.enternet.com.au (sladl2p07.ozemail.com.au [203.7.185.95]) by bukula.enternet.com.au with SMTP id KAA03991 (8.6.11/IDA-1.6); Sat, 16 Mar 1996 10:55:32 +1100 Message-ID: <314A10F4.4511@mail.enternet.com.au> Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 10:23:08 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: BMS Technology X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0GoldB1 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com CC: gwatson@bukula.enternet.com.au Subject: Re: fnrg: Newman tests and evidence. References: <9602118265.AA826592896@ccgate2.nectech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: rshannon@nectech.com wrote: > > >>>At 02:49 21.02.1996 EST, sysop@intermax.com wrote: > >>>I did a number of experiments where I looked at the size and color > >>>temperature of the arc when you disconect a massive coil. I used > >>>three heavy (35 pounds each) power transformers connected in > >>>series, adding one at a time. I found that for the same power > >>>input you get a bigger higher color temperature arc as you increase > >>>the mass of the coils in the series circuit. This inductive kick > >>>arc was dependent on the coil mass in the circuit. More mass gave > >>>you a higher color temperature arc, and thus more energy, as energy > >>>is porportional to frequency. e=hf. > > >>Stefan Hartmann wrote: > >>That is right, same experience over here... > >>Only his first massive coil "monsters" had some nice > >>effects, the smaller you build it, the more uneffective it gets... > >>How did you measure the arc temperature ? > > >I found my eyes worked better than photo cell & solar cell > >measurments I attempted. > > The first series of experiments does not show that more mass gave > higher energy levels, as the larger coil has a higher inductance than > the smaller coil, and stores more energy in it's magnetic field. > > To prove this claim, you will need two inductors of the same > inductance, but differing masses, and then show that there is a > difference in stored energy. > > Another way to prove this claim would be to measure how much energy > went into these two different inductors, it was not the same in the > experiment described, nor was the energy measured. > > If higher amounts of copper did produce higher energy levels, a higher > current rating inductor would store more energy than an inductor of > the same inductance at a lower current rating. This simply is not the > case, as using a heavier wire gauge does not increase the inductance > of a coil by itself. > > The energy stored is always related to the inductance, not the mass of > the coil, as has been claimed here. > > The spark temperature cannot be evaluated accurately simply by > eyeballing the discharge. This is especially true if any AC current > is flowing through the inductors. Breaking the circuit at different > parts of the AC cycle will produce widely different discharge > intensities with the same coil. > > A portion of a discussion on amper-turns floated by, which can fully > explain the torque measurements described in an earlier posting. > > > Energy in coils is NOT simple. As an example, connect a capacitor to a dc source, current (energy/electron flow) will start out very high and reduce to zero as the capacitor charges its internal electric field to the dc source potential. End result....Cap charged to dc source voltage and NO current flow. Simple? However, coils ain't capacitors. Current flow starts out low and increases until the coil is saturated and the dc source sees only the resistance of the coil's wire. Current (energy/electron flow) continues, generating heat (depending on Ohm's law) and does nothing for the coil's stored magnetic field energy but can really mess up your investigations. In other words, investigation of stored magnetic energy must involve a understanding of the joules (watt/seconds) of energy input to a coil as the magnetic field is building up. You MUST observe the rate of current flow (build-up), TIME and resulting field strenght. Failure to do/understand this is bad news. Coil's ain't simple but it is simple to make mistakes. Greg Watson. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Mar 16 08:39:26 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id IAA13768 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 08:34:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA13738 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 08:34:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.7.5/8.7.1) with ESMTP id KAA08024 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 10:33:21 -0600 (CST) Received: (from w9sz@localhost) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.7.5/8.7.1) id KAA02119; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 10:33:21 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 10:33:21 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199603161633.KAA02119@firefly.prairienet.org> From: w9sz@prairienet.org (Zack Widup) To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Scalar detector plans deadline! Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > >Having not read the supposition of the concept I am in the dark . When you >say scalar are you >making reference to the eqipotential waves emmanating from high intensity hi >frequency electrical >discharges . And the detection of such pulses . > Several people have posted in the past that they don't "grok" scalar waves. This is my understanding of them: If you represent an electric "field" by a vector, you would have this: ----------------> If you take two such vectors of equal intensity and opposite polarity, you would have this: ----------><---------- At the point where the tips of the arrows meet, what happens? The "electric fields" cancel out, but you are producing a very real stress on the medium! Try this with field strengths of hundreds of thousands of volts. The landmark paper on this subject is "Significance of Electromagnetic Potentials in the Quantum Theory" by D. Bohm and Y. Aharonov, Physical Review Second Series, Vol. 115, No. 3, Aug 1, 1959, pgs. 485-491. Also see "The Quantum Effects of Electromagnetic Fluxes" by S. Olariu and I. Popescu, Reviews of Modern Physics, Vol. 57, No. 2, April 1985, pgs. 339-436 (long!) Tom Bearden has written quite a bit on this subject. Now, imagine two waves which are of the same intensity and frequency but directly opposite in direction: ----------><---------- ----------><---------- ---------><--------- -------><------- ----><---- -><- ----><---- -------><------- ---------><--------- ----------><---------- ----------><---------- The net result of this is a wave which does not exist as a detectable electromagnetic field, as the "fields" cancel each other out. However, it does exist as a stress on the medium (zero-point energy, spacetime, Zitterbewegung, whatever you prefer to call it.) There are several ways I've read about which will supposedly produce these scalar waves. One is the simple magnet device from John Bedini which was posted here a while ago. Another is the caduceus coil. Since these waves cannot be detected by an ordinary electromagnetic sensor, a special device must be constructed to try to detect them. One is simply an extremely strong magnet, strong enough to produce a noticeable curvature of spacetime, with an antenna nearby. The scalar waves are longitudinal, but the magnet curves them enough to produce a very small transverse component which can be detected by the ordinary antenna. Bob Shannon has been kind enough to offer his device for all, which he will post here soon. I hope this helps to clear this subject up a bit. There is more to it but it's best to get that from the papers I've mentioned above. Happy reading/experimenting! Zack Widup w9sz@prairienet.org From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Mar 16 14:55:50 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id OAA29398 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 14:53:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns2.indirect.com (root@ns2.indirect.com [165.247.1.17]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA29384 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 14:53:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from 165.247.24.44 (s44.phxslip4.indirect.com [165.247.24.44]) by ns2.indirect.com (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA26953; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 15:53:19 -0700 Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 15:53:19 -0700 Message-Id: <199603162253.PAA26953@ns2.indirect.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Reed Huish Subject: fnrg: A-21 Fuel Update To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Cc: "Bob St. Amand" , "Fred C. Ball" <76265.1255@compuserve.com>, Karl Huish , Toby Grotz X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >From Nando.net... New 'primary' fuel wins federal approval New 'primary' fuel wins federal approval SACRAMENTO, Calif. (Mar 16, 1996 12:27 p.m. EST) -- A new petroleum-based fuel that promises to cut vehicle smog by nearly half has won federal approval to be become the first "primary fuel" on the market since the invention of gasoline and diesel more than a century ago. The Reno inventor of the creamy white fluid says it can be used in existing cars with minor modifications costing less than $500, and may sell for less than half the price of conventional fuel. "It's cheaper and cleaner," said Rudolf Gunnerman, who has invested seven years and $7 million of his personal fortune to develop the "A-21" formula, or "advanced fuel for the 21st century." The fuel, up to 55 percent water, also has been shown to be much more fire-resistant than gasoline and diesel. Sacramento area air pollution officials have taken a strong interest in the fuel because of its potential for reducing oxides of nitrogen emissions from vehicles, the chief culprit in the region's summer smog problem. "It's not a commercial technology yet, but we have high hopes that it will succeed and get on the market," said Ranson Roser, an engineer with the Sacramento Air Quality Management District. The U.S. Department of Energy on Friday declared the "A-21" formula a "primary fuel," clearing the biggest regulatory hurdle for its use in government fleets and eventually private vehicles. The action means the fuel can now be sold just like gasoline and diesel without further federal review, energy department officials said. "We're extremely excited," said Peter Gunnerman, director of Advanced Fuels, a partnership with the Peoria, Ill.-based truck manufacturer Caterpillar Inc. Representatives of the oil industry and environmentalists remain skeptical. "A number of options have come and gone in the past two decades, said Jason Mark, a transportation analyst with the Union of Concerned Scientists in Berkeley. "We've learned that there's no such thing as a silver bullet." Peter Gunnerman, the inventor's son, said the fuel must satisfactorily complete several more rounds of customer-acceptance tests and pass California's environmentally stringent fuel certifications. Under federal rules, engines modified to use the fuel are legal as long as they don't increase emissions. Those modifications will cost consumers no more than $500, Peter Gunnerman said. Diesel bus and truck modification would cost about $1,000. Modified vehicles could still run on gasoline or diesel, he said. The company first wants to market the fuel as an alternative to diesel for the heavy-duty trucks and construction equipment in smoggy areas. Fleet operators at the state and large companies are highly motivated to find a fuel like A-21, says Kurt Ettinger of the Department of Energy's Alternative Fuels Hotline. "It's probably close to half again cleaner than regular gasoline, at least," says Ed Glick, a planner in charge of the mobile sources section of the Nevada Division of Environmental Protection, which has studied A-21. "It'll meet the 2005 standards -- the gasoline that we're all using now wouldn't." While large trucks would be more expensive to modify to use A-21, that cost is not nearly so expensive as the modifications that will be required when new regulations on diesel fleets go into effect in 1998. Moreover, the fuel is produced at oil refineries and can be transported in existing pipelines and trucks, giving it what is referred to in the oil industry as "transparency." Now the developers must market the technology to the oil giants. Right now, the company's blending facility outside Reno is making 35,000 gallons of A-21 daily, with the capacity to produce three times that much. A second blending station opened recently in Woodland. Don Patterson, a truck engine account manager with Tenco, the Caterpillar dealership for 10 counties surrounding Sacramento, has used A-21 to fuel a three-axle, 300 horsepower tractor truck, and he's impressed. "It felt exactly like diesel, good acceleration, no smoke," he says. "You could not tell you were driving an alternative fuel truck. The other alternative fuels, compressed natural gas, liquid natural gas, you do get a horsepower and torque loss. Not with this. I've been a journeyman mechanic for 25 years, and I've never seen anything like it." At the Gunnerman's modest operation in downtown Reno, a sample of the fuel is mixed in a bucket and then run through both a V-8 automobile engine and a 350 horsepower diesel engine, with a marked reduction in smoke from the tailpipes, but no apparent reduction in power. With blowtorch in hand, Gunnerman demonstrates another one of A-21's remarkable properties: because of its low volatility, a tray full of the fuel fails to ignite under the flame. Thus, the fuel will not explode in automobile crashes. A-21 has also been successfully used in boilers, specifically by the city of Reno, which receives 250 kilowatts of electricity a day from an A-21-fueled generator stationed on the Gunnerman's property. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Mar 16 19:03:58 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id SAA06777 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 18:58:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.htp.com (mail.htp.com [199.171.4.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA06727 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 18:57:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from wb187.htp.net (wb187.htp.net [206.112.48.187]) by mail.htp.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id WAA19711 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 22:03:48 -0500 Message-Id: <199603170303.WAA19711@mail.htp.com> X-Sender: sac@mail.htp.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 21:56:01 -0500 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: John Mecca Subject: Re: fnrg: CORROBORATIVE NEWS! Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I have investigated some of the theory involved , it sound like a constructive endeavor . Keep me posted. At 12:21 AM 3/16/96 +0100, you wrote: >>X-POP3-Rcpt: harti@ns >>Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 19:07:01 -0800 >>X-Sender: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Unverified) >>To: Stewardo@msn.com >>From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) >>Subject: CORROBORATIVE NEWS! >> >>IT COME TO OUR ATTENTION THAT A RESEARCH REPORT PUBLISHED IN THE JOURNAL OF >>APPLIED PHYSICS (Volume 77, Issue 11, pages 6015-6020) PUBLISHED BY THE >>AMERICAN INSTITUTE OF PHYSICS, FURTHER VALIDATES THE PIONEERING WORK OF >>INVENTOR JOSPEPH NEWMAN. >> >>TITLE: >>Increased Voltage Phenomenon in a Resonance Circuit of Unconventional >>Magnetic Configuration >> >>PREFACE: >>The behavior of an LCR (inductance-capacitance-resistance) circuit with a >>moveable ferromagnetic core is discussed. The core is attracted by a >>magnetic field generated by an electric current resulting from the >>discharge of a capacitor in the closed LCR circuit. An unusual increase in >>recharge voltage, which was dependent on the magnetic configuration of the >>coil, was observed. This voltage increase does not conform to the >>mathematical simulation of the system. The possibility that a positive >>electromotive force was involved in this effect is discussed. >> >>------------------------------------------------------ >>The following is a particularly interesting statement from this article: >>------------------------------------------------------ >> >>"Generally speaking, it is expected that the total recharge voltage will >>decrease because this system produces mechanical output as the core moves. >>However, through a series of experiments, it was discovered that results >>depend on the magnetic configuration of the coils used in the circuit. In >>other words, for a certain kind of magnetic field, the opposite result >>could occur --- an increase in the average current and recharge voltage. >>To confirm the above observations, an experiment was conducted, which is >>described in this article." >> >>------------------------------------------------------ >>The following was one of the final conclusions presented in this article: >>------------------------------------------------------ >> >>"It can be postulated that the complex movement of magnetic flux generates >>a positive EMF, but the cause of the voltage increase is not clear." >> >>------------------------------------------------------ >> >>Through his research over the past 30 years and as demonstrated in his >>numerous experiments and working prototypes, Joseph Newman has presented a >>comprehensive explanation for the cause of the "voltage increase" described >>in the above article. I urge the reader to locate a copy of this research >>article from the Journal of Applied Physics, published by the American >>Institute of Physics, and review it for yourself. >> >>Evan Soule >>Director of Information >>Newman Energy Systems >> >>telephone numbers: >>(601) 947-7147 or >>(504) 524-3063 >> >>addresses: >>Route 1, Box 52, Lucedale, MS 39452 USA or >>P.O. Box 57684, New Orleans, Louisiana 70157-7684 >> >>email: >>josephnewman@earthlink.net or >>johntesla@aol.com. >> >> >> >> >-- >Hartmann Multimedia Service _Buy our Internet MPEG CD-ROM ! Visit the WEB_ >Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann _site below !_ >Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany >Tel: ++ 49 30 344 23 66 FAX: ++ 49 30 344 92 79 >email: harti@ddd.snafu.de harti@bbtt.de >Web site: http://www.bbtt.com/harti/harti.html > > > > > -- Registered ICC User check out http://www.usefulware.com/~jfoltz From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Mar 16 19:10:11 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id TAA08215 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 19:07:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.htp.com (mail.htp.com [199.171.4.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA08188 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 19:07:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from wb187.htp.net (wb187.htp.net [206.112.48.187]) by mail.htp.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id WAA19948 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 22:13:06 -0500 Message-Id: <199603170313.WAA19948@mail.htp.com> X-Sender: sac@mail.htp.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 22:05:19 -0500 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: John Mecca Subject: Re: fnrg: Scalar detector plans deadline! Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Do you have a tesla patent # 1119732 in it is a detailed description of a multi million volt transformer you can fabricate . It would be perfect for your experiment . Which as I now understand from your rudimentary diagrams is actually based on tesla's death ray experiments . The technique is to create an intersection of equipotential fields culminating in the emp effect in an area which can be determined through calculating the time of flight to the intersection . . At 10:33 AM 3/16/96 -0600, you wrote: > > >> >>Having not read the supposition of the concept I am in the dark . When you >>say scalar are you >>making reference to the eqipotential waves emmanating from high intensity hi >>frequency electrical >>discharges . And the detection of such pulses . >> > >Several people have posted in the past that they don't "grok" scalar >waves. This is my understanding of them: > >If you represent an electric "field" by a vector, you would have this: > > ----------------> > >If you take two such vectors of equal intensity and opposite polarity, >you would have this: > > ----------><---------- > >At the point where the tips of the arrows meet, what happens? The >"electric fields" cancel out, but you are producing a very real stress >on the medium! Try this with field strengths of hundreds of thousands of >volts. > >The landmark paper on this subject is "Significance of Electromagnetic >Potentials in the Quantum Theory" by D. Bohm and Y. Aharonov, Physical >Review Second Series, Vol. 115, No. 3, Aug 1, 1959, pgs. 485-491. Also >see "The Quantum Effects of Electromagnetic Fluxes" by S. Olariu and I. >Popescu, Reviews of Modern Physics, Vol. 57, No. 2, April 1985, pgs. >339-436 (long!) > >Tom Bearden has written quite a bit on this subject. > >Now, imagine two waves which are of the same intensity and frequency but >directly opposite in direction: > > ----------><---------- > ----------><---------- > ---------><--------- > -------><------- > ----><---- > -><- > ----><---- > -------><------- > ---------><--------- > ----------><---------- > ----------><---------- > >The net result of this is a wave which does not exist as a detectable >electromagnetic field, as the "fields" cancel each other out. However, it >does exist as a stress on the medium (zero-point energy, spacetime, >Zitterbewegung, whatever you prefer to call it.) > >There are several ways I've read about which will supposedly produce >these scalar waves. One is the simple magnet device from John Bedini >which was posted here a while ago. Another is the caduceus coil. >Since these waves cannot be detected by an ordinary electromagnetic >sensor, a special device must be constructed to try to detect them. >One is simply an extremely strong magnet, strong enough to produce a >noticeable curvature of spacetime, with an antenna nearby. The scalar >waves are longitudinal, but the magnet curves them enough to produce >a very small transverse component which can be detected by the ordinary >antenna. > >Bob Shannon has been kind enough to offer his device for all, which he >will post here soon. > >I hope this helps to clear this subject up a bit. There is more to it but >it's best to get that from the papers I've mentioned above. > >Happy reading/experimenting! > >Zack Widup >w9sz@prairienet.org > > > -- Registered ICC User check out http://www.usefulware.com/~jfoltz From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Mar 16 19:13:15 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id TAA08964 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 19:12:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.htp.com (mail.htp.com [199.171.4.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA08935 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 19:11:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from wb187.htp.net (wb187.htp.net [206.112.48.187]) by mail.htp.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id WAA20053 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 22:17:54 -0500 Message-Id: <199603170317.WAA20053@mail.htp.com> X-Sender: sac@mail.htp.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 22:10:07 -0500 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: John Mecca Subject: Re: fnrg: A-21 Fuel Update Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Sounds like a winner . It may go the way of the rest of the great inventions "round file" . So here is a request. The way I see it we can make an impact . Only one way to do it , treat it like a disease and apply medicine like a rash it requires repeated application of the medication . In other words a post to a news group is like a shout at a baseball game a few people next to you will hear it but the message wont carry . The ballgame is the internet and the newsgroups are the shouting , only then through reposting the same message over and over will people rally "the cry" or in other words the people will repost also . You see we the people are limited to the number of posts of the same subject we can send out and additionally we are restricted in repeating the same info " only every three or four days permitted . So then I am whispering the message and am not allowed to shout as the blanket crossposts are erased by moderators as I have tried it and been deleted . That leaves you and anyone you can contact to ask them to repost the same message as there is no law yet saying 1000 people cannot post the same message ; then we will be talking on the net in unison . Then if 100,00 people post the same message relentlessly every week then we will indeed be shouting . Only shouting will get the rusty wheels turning . It would only take a person 1 minute a week to repost the same damn message , boring yes and seemingly useless .But unless we become that determined our one post willdrown in a sea of complaints of all kinds . Repost the message below in your own e-mail address and whoever responds reply to them with this paragraph reply . Like a chain it can get strog . To help cut and paste , if you dont know how ask . Just imagine thousands of the same damn post it will drive the guys trying to stop progress nuts , it may even force the 200 mpg car into the limelight . Good luck if you decide to carry this out you are one of the few the proud makers of history . At 03:53 PM 3/16/96 -0700, you wrote: >>From Nando.net... > >New 'primary' fuel wins federal approval > >New 'primary' fuel wins federal approval > > SACRAMENTO, Calif. (Mar 16, 1996 12:27 p.m. EST) -- A new petroleum-based >fuel that promises to cut vehicle smog by nearly half has won federal approval >to be become the first "primary fuel" on the market since the invention of >gasoline and diesel more than a century ago. > > The Reno inventor of the creamy white fluid says it can be used in existing >cars with minor modifications costing less than $500, and may sell for less than >half the price of conventional fuel. > > "It's cheaper and cleaner," said Rudolf Gunnerman, who has invested seven >years and $7 million of his personal fortune to develop the "A-21" formula, or >"advanced fuel for the 21st century." > > The fuel, up to 55 percent water, also has been shown to be much more >fire-resistant than gasoline and diesel. > > Sacramento area air pollution officials have taken a strong interest in the >fuel because of its potential for reducing oxides of nitrogen emissions from >vehicles, the chief culprit in the region's summer smog problem. > > "It's not a commercial technology yet, but we have high hopes that it will >succeed and get on the market," said Ranson Roser, an engineer with the >Sacramento Air Quality Management District. > > The U.S. Department of Energy on Friday declared the "A-21" formula a >"primary fuel," clearing the biggest regulatory hurdle for its use in government >fleets and eventually private vehicles. > > The action means the fuel can now be sold just like gasoline and diesel >without further federal review, energy department officials said. > > "We're extremely excited," said Peter Gunnerman, director of Advanced Fuels, >a partnership with the Peoria, Ill.-based truck manufacturer Caterpillar Inc. > > Representatives of the oil industry and environmentalists remain skeptical. > > "A number of options have come and gone in the past two decades, said Jason >Mark, a transportation analyst with the Union of Concerned Scientists in >Berkeley. "We've learned that there's no such thing as a silver bullet." > > Peter Gunnerman, the inventor's son, said the fuel must satisfactorily >complete several more rounds of customer-acceptance tests and pass California's >environmentally stringent fuel certifications. > > Under federal rules, engines modified to use the fuel are legal as long as >they don't increase emissions. > > Those modifications will cost consumers no more than $500, Peter Gunnerman >said. Diesel bus and truck modification would cost about $1,000. Modified >vehicles could still run on gasoline or diesel, he said. > > The company first wants to market the fuel as an alternative to diesel for >the heavy-duty trucks and construction equipment in smoggy areas. > > Fleet operators at the state and large companies are highly motivated to find >a fuel like A-21, says Kurt Ettinger of the Department of Energy's Alternative >Fuels Hotline. > > "It's probably close to half again cleaner than regular gasoline, at least," >says Ed Glick, a planner in charge of the mobile sources section of the Nevada >Division of Environmental Protection, which has studied A-21. "It'll meet the >2005 standards -- the gasoline that we're all using now wouldn't." > > While large trucks would be more expensive to modify to use A-21, that cost >is not nearly so expensive as the modifications that will be required when new >regulations on diesel fleets go into effect in 1998. > > Moreover, the fuel is produced at oil refineries and can be transported in >existing pipelines and trucks, giving it what is referred to in the oil industry >as "transparency." > > Now the developers must market the technology to the oil giants. Right now, >the company's blending facility outside Reno is making 35,000 gallons of A-21 >daily, with the capacity to produce three times that much. A second blending >station opened recently in Woodland. > > Don Patterson, a truck engine account manager with Tenco, the Caterpillar >dealership for 10 counties surrounding Sacramento, has used A-21 to fuel a >three-axle, 300 horsepower tractor truck, and he's impressed. > > "It felt exactly like diesel, good acceleration, no smoke," he says. "You >could not tell you were driving an alternative fuel truck. The other alternative >fuels, compressed natural gas, liquid natural gas, you do get a horsepower and >torque loss. Not with this. I've been a journeyman mechanic for 25 years, and >I've never seen anything like it." > > At the Gunnerman's modest operation in downtown Reno, a sample of the fuel is >mixed in a bucket and then run through both a V-8 automobile engine and a 350 >horsepower diesel engine, with a marked reduction in smoke from the tailpipes, >but no apparent reduction in power. > > With blowtorch in hand, Gunnerman demonstrates another one of A-21's >remarkable properties: because of its low volatility, a tray full of the fuel >fails to ignite under the flame. Thus, the fuel will not explode in automobile >crashes. > > A-21 has also been successfully used in boilers, specifically by the city of >Reno, which receives 250 kilowatts of electricity a day from an A-21-fueled >generator stationed on the Gunnerman's property. > > > > -- Registered ICC User check out http://www.usefulware.com/~jfoltz From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Nov 18 09:17:53 1995 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA24909 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 18 Nov 1995 09:17:41 -0800 Received: from fastlane.net (fastlane.net [204.251.16.10]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA24880 for ; Sat, 18 Nov 1995 09:17:36 -0800 Received: from fw43.fastlane.net (fw43.fastlane.net [204.251.17.143]) by fastlane.net (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA23063 for ; Sat, 18 Nov 1995 12:15:01 -0600 Message-Id: <199511181815.MAA23063@fastlane.net> X-Sender: nikki@mail.fastlane.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 11:16:25 -0500 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: nikki@fastlane.net (Bert Pool) Subject: Re: fnrg: where X-Mailer: Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >On Tue, 8 Jan 1991, Bert Pool wrote: > >> Back in high school I built my first Tesla coils. I ran a medium size one >> in my workshop, a very small building (about 8 by 10 feet). It was raining, >> and I had the door closed. I finished up after a couple of hours of high >> voltage experiments, and after breating a LOT of ozone. Starting that >> afternnoon, I had the Grand-Daddy of all migrane headaches which lasted for >> about TEN days! I learned the hard way: Always use good ventilation when >> working with high voltage devices which produce ozone. > >I think I put someone's ozone headache story on my Tesla web page. The >effect sounds familiar, but fortunately I haven't encountered it personally. >Boy Bert, it sure took your message awhile to get here (see 1/91 date above!) > >.....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. >William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 >EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ >Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page > > > Bill, you know how it is when you work around large, high speed spinning masses! I and my computer have been running a bit slow. I've reversed the direction of spin, so maybe things are a bit better? Actually, Norm Wootan and I DID conduct an experiment testing whether spinning masses affect time in their immediate vicinity, and got negative results. bert From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Mar 17 16:16:23 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id LAA19433 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 17 Mar 1996 11:09:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA19399 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 1996 11:09:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.5) id LAA23048; Sun, 17 Mar 1996 11:09:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 11:09:32 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: The Challenge Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --- FORWARDED --- From: ah8341@mail.eclipse.co.uk Date: Sun, 10 Mar 96 18:55:09 PST To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: The Challenge Surely oscilloscopes are not the best device for proving a voltage rise as these are prone to drift and effects from stray magnetism? What's wrong with an ordinary test meter? Alan. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Mar 17 11:13:51 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id LAA19694 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 17 Mar 1996 11:11:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA19657 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 1996 11:11:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.5) id LAA23158; Sun, 17 Mar 1996 11:10:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 11:10:54 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: This from the Physics Teacher's email list PHYS-L. Interesting... ..............................freenrg-list................................ William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd Moderator: FREENRG-LIST VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 09:03:43 -0700 From: Jane Jackson To: Multiple recipients of list PHYS-L Subject: Re: Magnetic Healing Richard Swanson wrote: "Vets and trainers are wrapping magnets of some kind around injured or healing parts of horses. The claim is that healing is enhanced. One horse person just showed me a blanket that had one-inch diameter metal discs attached about every six inches all over a horse blanket (cost about $1000). After a night of wearing the blanket, her horse's injury-related muscle soreness was noticeably improved. Very reputable trainers and vets observe the positive effects." Richard asks for info and insight. Here are some examples: 1. I have an abstract of a paper from the College of Veterinary Medicine at the University of Minnesota. Calvin Kobluk, DVM, Gary Johnson, DVM, and Linda Lauper, BVSc did the study using a pad in which magnets were embedded. I quote the abstract: Eight horses were randomly assigned to a treatment and control forelimb in a crossover design study. The treatment limb had an EQUINEpad (TM) applied to the dorsal third metacarpus (shin) with a modified Robert-Jones bandage for 48 hours with one bandage change. The control limbs were treated in an identical fashion except for the EQUINEpad (TM). At 48 hours scintigraphy was performed in three phases: 1. Vascular phase 2. Soft tissue phase 3. Bone phase Total counts were recorded for the treatment and control limbs simultaneously. Sixteen trials were performed with each limb acting as a treatment and a control. These results were analyzed statistically using a paire T test. The results of the vascular phase show a HIGHLY SIGNIFICANT (p < .01) increase in counts associated with magnet application. Fifteen of the sixteen limbs tested showd increased vascular response. The soft tissue pphase also had a HIGHLY SIGNIFICANT response (p=.01) with thirteen of the sixteen limbs showing increased activity, as did the bone phase (p<.01) with fourteen of the sixteen limbs showing increased activity. This study shows that application of the EQUINEpad (TM) to the third metacarpus of the horse increases the circulation and metabolic activity of the soft tissue and bone.... (I don't know the date or any other particulars of this study.) 2. Since life is partly stories, too, I'll tell one of my stories. A few years ago I developed an ache above one of my top teeth. The dentist took an x-ray and could find nothing wrong. I taped a disc magnet over the area and noticed that the pain disappeared within 10 minutes. Whenever I took off the magnet the pain returned. I wore the magnet most of the time for about a month - simply for expediency: I didn't enjoy being in pain and the magnet helped significantly. After about a month, as I recall, the condition cleared itself. 3. Another story: I have a good friend, a retired symphony conductor in his 70's. One of his fingers is severely deformed with arthritis (too much work with hammers in earlier years, he said). The finger used to hurt chronically, and it was especially painful when it bumped against something - even when it was just a light bump. Last fall I suggested that he tape two 1/2 inch disc magnets to that finger each night when he went to bed. After doing this for some time (on the order of days or weeks), he told me that the pain decreased to practically nothing, even when he taps it against something. He continues to use the magnets nightly, since they help him so much. If you have an older friend with arthritis in a finger or toe joint, you might get them to try it; it's easy to do. More research needs to be done on permanent magnets. 4. I've heard that the large oil companies use permanent magnets to improve the flow of crude oil in pipes. Their engineers would know, I suppose. Anyone got any contacts? 5. Thousands of articles have been published in medical and biological journals on studies of healing done with pulsed magnetic fields. The increase in circulation is documented. One postulate to explain the reduction in pain is that the threshold of the action potential is modified slightly. I would like to see more on this; my impression is that the mechanisms aren't known well. 6. One of the most complete series of studies of pulsed magnetic fields that I know of is from a biotechnology company, Orthologic, in Phoenix. (The CEO, Alan Weinstein, is a PhD bioengineer; they work with ASU. I heard him give a colloquium there.) They patented a bone healing device which uses a static and an alternating magnetic field, both the size of the Earth's field. Sounds amazing, doesn't it! Orthologic's research culminated in a clinical study of more than 180 people with non-union bone fractures which hadn't healed in more than 9 months. 100 or so of the people used the device next to the non-union fracture for 1/2 hour per day for 3 months. Every bone fracture healed! It turns out that the frequency is the crucial variable: bone healing only occurs when the frequency is any harmonic of the cyclotron frequencies of both calcium and magnesium. (One of these ions stimulates growth, the other stimulates maturation of bone.) The right frequency improves the ability of these ions to move through the cell membrane. (As little as 1 or 2 extra calcium ions transported through the membrane has been shown to make the difference in activation of healing; apparently a cascading effect occurs.) The mechanisms aren't known well, but I've seen a few models proposed in journal articles (ex. Journal of Bioelectricity). Jane Jackson, PhD. Professor of Physics, Scottsdale Comm.Col. (on leave) Box 871504, Dept. of Physics, Arizona State Univ., Tempe, AZ 85287-1504. phone:(602) 965-8438 fax: 965-7331 e-mail: jane.jackson@asu.edu From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Mar 17 17:07:32 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id LAA19823 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 17 Mar 1996 11:11:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA19807 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 1996 11:11:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.5) id LAA23222; Sun, 17 Mar 1996 11:11:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 11:11:49 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: A-21 Fuel Update Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --- FORWARDED --- From: "Vince Ingram" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 15:41:28 GMT+1200 Subject: Re: fnrg: A-21 Fuel Update Hi all, This is my first post here. I will admit to not being a technical person, and therefore don't understand many of the concepts I have read about while lurking in the background. I find them very interesting notwithstanding said ignorance. I would like to know if it is possible for a contact address (if known) for Rudolf Gunnerman, to be provided to me. regards Vince Ingram From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Mar 17 20:06:22 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id TAA16524 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 17 Mar 1996 19:23:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from powergrid.electriciti.com (electriciti.com [198.5.212.8]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA16479 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 1996 19:22:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from 198.5.212.104 by powergrid.electriciti.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0tyVel-000HAfC; Sun, 17 Mar 96 19:30 PST Message-ID: <314C6697.5550@introtech.com> Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 19:23:03 +0000 From: Henry Eisenson Organization: Introtech X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: The Challenge References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: William Beaty wrote: > > --- FORWARDED --- > From: ah8341@mail.eclipse.co.uk > Date: Sun, 10 Mar 96 18:55:09 PST > To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com > Subject: The Challenge > > Surely oscilloscopes are not the best device for proving a voltage rise as > these are prone to drift and effects from stray magnetism? > What's wrong with an ordinary test meter? > Alan. In most cases, an o-scope will display BOTH AC and DC voltages, and with good sensitivity. With a simple digital voltmeter, one must select ACV and then DCV. Further, the o-scope will display the waveform (sinusoidal or otherwise) of an AC signal, where the DVM cannot. Henry From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Mar 19 09:58:50 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id GAA05562 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 06:53:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns2.indirect.com (root@ns2.indirect.com [165.247.1.17]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA05493 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 06:53:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from 165.247.24.14 (s14.phxslip4.indirect.com [165.247.24.14]) by ns2.indirect.com (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA17286 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 07:52:57 -0700 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 07:52:57 -0700 Message-Id: <199603181452.HAA17286@ns2.indirect.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Reed Huish Subject: Re: fnrg: A-21 Fuel Update To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Sun, 17 Mar 1996, William Beaty wrote: >This is my first post here. I will admit to not being a technical >person, and therefore don't understand many of the concepts I have >read about while lurking in the background. I find them very >interesting notwithstanding said ignorance. > >I would like to know if it is possible for a contact address (if >known) for Rudolf Gunnerman, to be provided to me. > >regards >Vince Ingram > A55 (limited partnership) Rudolph W. Gunnerman 210 Gentry Way Reno, Nevada Voice (702) 826-8300 Fax 826-8383 From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Mar 19 07:23:00 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id PAA04165 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 15:10:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from milkyway.nectech.com (root@milkyway.nectech.com [128.191.16.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA04089 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 15:10:28 -0800 (PST) From: rshannon@nectech.com Received: from ccgate2.nectech.com (ccgate2.nectech.com [128.191.49.151]) by milkyway.nectech.com (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA15821 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 18:00:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by ccgate2.nectech.com (SMTPLINK V2.11 PreRelease 4) id AA827201257; Mon, 18 Mar 96 12:45:21 EST Date: Mon, 18 Mar 96 12:45:21 EST Message-Id: <9602188272.AA827201257@ccgate2.nectech.com> To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Re: The Challange. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Surely oscilloscopes are not the best device for proving a voltage >rise as these are prone to drift and effects from stray magnetism? Good oscilloscopes are not subject to drift in a way that has an effect on their accuracy. Stray static magnetic fields can effect an oscilloscope, but the oscilloscope is adjusted to place the trace on a fixed reference line on the display, so this is not a major problem for reasonable field levels. >What's wrong with an ordinary test meter? The meter has reactance's that are a source for error is any AC signals are present in DC readings. Also AC readings are not accurate if the waveform measured in not a pure sine wave at a specific frequency, usually 60 hz. An oscilloscope provides far more data than a meter. While seeing a voltage rise might indicate charging of the battery, it does not prove that this is what is happening. AC currents applied to the battery can interact with it's reactance, and cause inaccurate readings. Heating of the electrolyte can also be a factor. If the battery is being charged by the Newman device, we should be able to take a single battery, charge it to a known voltage in a constant current charging circuit, and then use it to drive a Newman device for a given time. (The actual energy stored by the battery would have been measured in advance, and the battery then recharged to the same levels. Several trials would be needed because battery performance is not repeatable from cycle to cycle.) After this, the battery should be allowed to rest long enough to reach room temperature, and then discharged through a purely resistive load while measuring it's voltage and current delivered. This data is then used to calculate the energy delivered. This delivered energy must then be compared with the energy originally stored in the battery during charging, and the energy used in running the Newman device, accounting for the power factors, etc. Simply watching a voltage rise alone is not a complete test. In my professional testing battery system technologies used in laptop computers, I'm familiar with many sources of error in calculating the energy stored in a battery system. No laptop computer can calculate the energy remaining in a battery based on voltage alone, due to the ever changing internal impedance of the batteries, and the lack of repeatability for any given cell's charge-discharge performance curve. Remove the battery from the Newman device, and prove that it delivers more energy to a resistive load than the sum of it's measured initial capacity. and the energy used to drive the Newman device for a given time. I hope the experiments Mr. Newman performed to form his theory are far better than those being used as "evidence" for his theory so far. I also hope Mr. Newman understands why the tests described so far fall far short of being proof of anything unusual. Why not modify that challenge to include the type of tests and measurements suggested here? The current challenge as stated is not worth $1.00, much less $10k. If for some reason this level of testing is not acceptable, can Mr. Newman suggest another challenge that would be accepted as being complete? From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Mar 19 09:21:47 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id SAA12420 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 18:21:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail1.best.com (mail1.best.com [206.86.8.14]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA12297 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 18:20:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from [205.149.162.154] (bailey.vip.best.com [205.149.162.154]) by mail1.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id SAA24815 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 18:14:00 -0800 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 18:14:00 -0800 X-Sender: bailey@best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: fnrg: International conference St.-Petersburg, June 17 - 22, 1996 Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: New Ideas in Natural Sciences International conference St.-Petersburg, June 17 - 22, 1996 Organizers of Conference: St.-Petersburg's Physics Society Russian Geological Society Russian Geographical Society St.-Petersburg's High School Teachers Association Co-Chairmen: Academician Grigorian S.S., Vice-President of Russian Academy of Sciences. Academician Kaznacheev V.P., Novosibirsk, Russian Academy of Medical Sciences. The purpose of the International conference "New Ideas in Natural Sciences" is discussions on the structure of problems, new ideas and new directions in modern natural sciences, reports on new experimental results and demonstration of new effects. ------- TOPICS: ------- PHYSICS 1. Modern problems in physics. Theoretical research. 2. New energetics, practical results. 3. Gravitation and overlapping technologies. 4. Investigations on properties of space and time. GEOLOGY The activities in geological sciences will take place concurrently with those in the physics sciences. The discussions are planned in the second half of every day following the reports of the speakers and the reports of their opponents. Also demonstration of devices, experiments are planned to develop some business contacts. Keynote reports refer to the reports of the lecturers and those of their opponents. Non-lecturing guests are invited to participate in discussions and experimental demonstrations. The organizing committee has all the rights to arrange the format of the proceedings of the conference which will be published in September of 1996. --------------------------- CONFERENCE DATES AND TIMES: --------------------------- June 17 ( Monday ) 14.00 Opening. General information. 15.00 - 19.00 Lectures and discussion. June 18 ( Tuesday ) 9.30 - 13.30 Lectures. 15.00 - 19.00 Discussion and demonstration of experiments. June 19 ( Wednesday ) 9.30 - 13.30 Lectures. 15.00 - 19.00 Discussion and demonstration of devices. June 20 ( Thursday ) 9.30 - 13.30 Lectures. 15.00 - 19.00 Discussion and workshop. June 21 ( Friday ) 9.30 - 13.30 Lectures. 15.00 - 19.00 Discussion and workshop. 22.00 Excursion "St.-Petersburg's White Nights" June 22 ( Saturday ) 12.00 - 15.00 Closing of conference, discussion on its results. 17.00 Banque= t. --------- LECTURES: --------- ----------------------------------------------------- I. Modern Problems In Physics. Theoretical Research. ----------------------------------------------------- 1. Anatoly P. Smirnov, St.-Petersburg, Russia, The structure of misconceptions in modern physics. Some methods for their rectification, practical possibilities and effects. 2. A. A. Nassikas, Larissa Ed. Inst. of Technology, Greece, The Hypothesis and the Equations of the Unified Matter Field. 3. Alexander Abian, Iowa State Univ., USA, Equivalence of Mass and Time. 4. Josef Hasslberger, Rome, Italy, Tetra Space Co-ordinates. A tetrahedron-based system of space co-ordinates. 5. Akimov , Moscow, Russia, The torsion fields, practical applications. Video demonstration, photo. 6. Efimov A.A., Ms. Shpitalnaya =B7.=B7., St.-Petersburg, Russia, The Global Energetical Anisotropy of Space. 7. Efimov A.A., St.-Petersburg, Russia, On the Force that is Acting to the Electron from the Surrounding Field. 8. Butusov K.P., St.-Petersburg, Russia, The Physics of the de-Broighl's wav= e. 9. Kutolin S.A., Novosibirsk, Russia, The quantum-fluctuational model for elements interaction for strong and electromagnetic collisions, those determine the periodicity ( self co-ordination ) and the unity for description of properties of matter. 10. Plykin V.D, Igevsk, Russia, Information-energy model for matter and Universe. 11. Safonov I.A., Moscow area, Russia, On the Correctness of Law of Energy Conservation. 12. Volkov I.A., St.-Petersburg, Russia, The Formulas for Comparatively Stable Clasters of Carbon. 13. Klyushin Y.G., St.-Petersburg, Russia, St.-Petersburg, Russia, On the Maxwell Approach to Gravity. 14. Fogel V.A., St.-Petersburg, Russia, The Forces are not Included in Consideration in Electrodynamics. 15. Fogel V.A., St.-Petersburg, Russia, The Energy and Impetus of Charged Circuit that have Current. 16. Fogel V.A. and Shepsenvol M.A., St.-Petersburg, Russia, The Effects are Connected with Movement of Source of Field Relatively to Measuring Equipment. 17. Mishin A.M., St.-Petersburg, Russia, The Phenomenological Model of Ether as Result of New Empirical Conception. Experimental Results. 18. Martin Muller, Pfullingen, Germany, Saha Equation - Undeniable Evidence for the Physical Nature of Chemical Bonding. 19. Turchaninov G.S. and Turchaninov I.G., Krasnoyarsk State University, Russia, Non-Dissipative Closed Electrical Current Process in the Normal-State ( non-superconductivity ) Electroconductive Media. 20. Frolov A.V., St.-Petersburg, Russia, The Mass as Process of Existence: Method and Examples for Calculations. 21. Vinogradova M.G. and Khodkov A.E., St.-Petersburg, Russia, About Experimental proofs of Attraction of Earth to the Sun by Screening of Part of Surrounding inflows of Ether's Neutrinoes. 22. Groshev V.L., St.-Petersburg, Russia, A New Theory of Unified Field. 23. Chirkov A.G., St.-Petersburg, Russia, The Principle of Relativity of Galilei by Galilei. 24. Shlenov A.G., St.-Petersburg, Russia, The Comparison of Theory for Unified Field and Result of Observation. 25. Gilin P.A., St.-Petersburg, Russia, Classical and Modified Electrodynami= cs. ---------------------------------------- II. New Energetics. Practical Results. ---------------------------------------- 1. Information about research work (theory and experiments): Thomas E. Bearden, Alabama, USA, Use of Asymmetrical Regauging and Multivalued Potentials to Achieve Overunity Electromagnetic Engines: Concepts and Specific Engine Examples. 2. Igor V. Goryachev, Utah, USA, Free Energy generation by Water Decomposition in Highly efficient Electrolytic Process. 3. Stefan Marinov, Graz, Austria, the self-accelerating generator. 4. Buinov G.N., St.-Petersburg, Russia, On the Second Beginning of Thermodynamics. 5. Klimov S.N., Moscow area, Russia, Utilization of Time and Energy of Dispersed Heat in "Paired two/four-steps Klimov's motor" 6. Serogodsky A.V., Germany - Russia, Isothermical motor. Patented in German= y. 7. Elio Conte, Italy, An application of Biquaternion Quantum Mechanics in Superconductivity. 8. Elio Conte, Italy, An Experimental Confirmation of Nuclear Fusion of the Proton and the Electron in the Neutron in Accord With the Biquaternion Quantum Mechanics. 9. Dan Chicea, Romania, Microscopic Acceleration Mechanism and the Cold =46usion in Deuterated Materials. 10. Review on cold fusion research work in Russia from 1960 to present time, Dr. Anatoly P. Smirnov. 11. Filimonov B.A., Minsk, Belarus, Cold Fusion and Transmutation of Nuclei: recent Achievements and Old Problems. 12. Frolov A.V., St.-Petersburg, Russia, The Application of Potential Field to Create the Work. Permanent magnets motor-generator and self-generating electric discharge system are for demonstration. 13. Avramenko S.V., Moscow area, Klimovsk, The Method for electric energy ( power ) transmission in single-wire line ( open circuit ) in mode of heterogeneous conductivity for normal conditions. Experiments. 14. G. Galeczki and P. Marquardt, Koln, Germany, About the Local Tapping of Energy. 15. Chirkov A.G., St.-Petersburg, Russia, About Law of Conservation in the Theories of Fields. ----------------------------------------------- III. Gravitation And Overlapping Technologies. ----------------------------------------------- 1. Information about research work and proposals for joint projects: Medvedev B.A., Saratov, Russia, Control on reproduction factor for neutrons by means of gravity waves as technology for safe nuclear plants. Proposal for know-how, patent work and join business. 2. Shahparonov I.M., Moscow, Russia, Effect of Mobius Surface Currents: Generator for Radiation of Kozyrev-Dirak Waves, effects on matter, generation of gravity scalar type waves when oscillations of Kozyrev-Dirak beam have place. Demonstration of device and video on experiments. Sale of plumbage that is magnetized in new type waves. 3. Poliakov S.M. and Poliakov O.S., Moscow, Russia, The Base of Experimental Gravitonics. 4. Ivanov Y.M., Moscow, Russia, The Nature of Force and Theory of Levitation. Method for compression of standing waves or "How to remove the Einstein's block?" 5. Belostotsky Y.G., St.-Petersburg, Russia, The Base and Principles for Reactionless Drive. Demonstration of experiment. 6. Shukalov K.D., Ivanovo area, Russia, The Active movement: Conception and experimental results. Demonstration of electromagnetic propulsion force. 7. Shukalov B.D., Ivanovo, Russia, The Inertioidal Devices. Demonstration. 8. Shpakov P.D., Gatchina, Russia, The Quantum Gravitation. 9. Shulgin V.G., Russia, Gravitation Result from Interaction of Substance with Gradient of Ether Density. 10. Simakov A.S., St.-Petersburg, Russia, On Connection Between Electromagnetics and Gravitation. Experimental Base for Definition of Nature of Gravitation Interaction Carrier. 11. Hideo Hayasaka, Possibility for the Existence of Anti-Gravity and the Complete Parity Breaking of Gravity; Evidence from Free-fall Experiment of a Spinning Gyro. 12. Euejin Jeong, Seoul, Korea, Rotating Hemisphere; Center of Mass Shift. 13. Martin Holwerda, Anti Gravity Flight by the Absorption of the Gravity Vortices. 14. Ostrikov M.F., St.-Petersburg, Russia, The Conception and Equipment for Demonstration of Energy and Force transformations. 15. David Jonsson, Uppsala, Sweden, Moving Magnet Field of Orbiting Electron of Hydrogen. 16. Information about theoretical research and idea for experiments: Kashuba V.Y., Anti-Gravity Force as Result of Centrifugal Force. 17. Francs J. McCabe, USA, A Gyroscope Video Workshop Set Up to Observe and Determine Mechanical Gyro Properties of Forces, Torques and Motions. 18. Butusov K.P., St.-Petersburg, Russia, Diffraction for Gravitation Waves. 19. Rappe Y.S., St.-Petersburg, Russia, Researches on Paradoxes of Electrodynamics by Means of the Method of Modeling in Systems for Dielectrical Measurements. 20. Frolov A.V., St.-Petersburg, Russia, Conception and Experiments on Gravitation. ------------------------------------------------------- IV. Investigation Of The Properties Of Space And Time. ------------------------------------------------------- 1. Chernobrov V.A., Moscow, Russia, Experiments on Control by Movement ( Rate and Direction ) of Time. 2. Veinik A.V., Minsk, Belarus, On Some Properties of Physical Time and Spac= e. 3. Zolotarev V.F. and Zolotarev Y.V., St.-Petersburg, Russia, The Thought as Method for Direct Produce of Material Objects. Experiment on Detecting of Gravi-Inertial Waves. 4. Timashev A.R., St.-Petersburg, Russia, The Generalized Gold Section and Theory for Time. 5. Bondarenko E.G., St.-Petersburg, Russia, On the Problem of Information Trapping from Surrounding Medium. Torsion Field Detecting. 7. Frolov A.V., St.-Petersburg, Russia, Experiments on Utilization of Longitudinal waves of Ether ( Waves of Density of Time ) in Technical Telecommunication Systems. 8. Asper G. Gasan Ali-Zade, On the Possibility for Difference Between Atom Clock and Efemerid Time, and on the Change of Gravitation Constant on Time. --------- LOCATION: --------- The Conference covers the period from June 17 to June 22, 1996. Arrival of the participants of the conference in PRIBALTIYSKAYA hotel is planned on June 16 and June 17. Call for information and reservation: Pribaltiyskaya Hotel **** Sales Department Phone 7-812-3563386 Fax 7-812-3564496 Reception Phone 7-812-3564135 Fax 7-812-3560094 Registration will occur at the hotel from 10.00 AM to 16.00 PM June 16, and from 10.00 AM to 13.00 PM June 17. This paper is necessary to get the special discount for conference participants. The room rate for a single room is USD 90 per day, or a bad in a double room is USD 60 per day. European breakfast is included. Please, note that room rates without special discount that is available from June 16 to June 22, 1996, are USD 130 and USD 80 per day. The lunch between morning and evening sessions of the conference costs USD 1= 0. Different excursions can be organized for you. 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Please, note in transfer: "scientific conference registration fee". 2. Also you can pay the fee by bank transfer in Italy: Banca Popolare di Bergamo Via San Silverio 57, 00165 ROMA Bank code: 3204 5428, account number 30669 Mr. Josef Hasslberger ------ OTHER: ------ Banquet and excursions are paid in cash in St.-Petersburg. Proceedings on conference will printed in September. A Video Tape will also be available. =46or additional information call or write to: Organizing Committee P.O. Box 37, 193024 St.-Petersburg, Russia. Alexander V. Frolov. Email: postmaster@frolov.spb.ru Phone: 7-812-2747877 =46ax: Attn. Dr. Anatoly P. Smirnov, 7-812-2471017, and 7-812-2478924 ------------------ REGISTRATION FORM: ------------------ INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE "NEW IDEAS IN NATURAL SCIENCES" St.-Petersburg, Russia 17 - 22 June, 1996 To be completed and returned to address of organizing committee: P.O. Box 37, 193024 St.-Petersburg, Russia. Email: postmaster@frolov.spb.ru =46ax: 7-812-2471017 and 2478924 Attn. Dr. Anatoly P. Smirnov NAME ........................................................... =46irst name SURNAME ....................................................... Last name PROFESSION/QUALIFICATIONS....................................... ................................................................ NAME OF ORGANIZATION ........................................... ADDRESS......................................................... CITY/STATE/ZIP.................................................. ................................................................ COUNTRY......................................................... TELEPHONE/FAX/EMAIL............................................. ................................................................ =46EE USD 300 per one person was paid ( please, use one of addresses ) 1. Sankt-Petersburg's Bank of Savings Bank of Russia, Mr. Klyshin Y.G., account 55151507000012132, correspondent account Savings Bank of Russia, Moscow, Russia, SWIFT: SABRRUMM, account 8100055. 2. Bank transfer on account number 30669, bank code 3204 5428, Banca Popolare di Bergamo Via San Silverio 57, 00165 ROMA. Mr. Josef Hasslberger. Date .............1996 Signature ............................ ____________________________________________________________________________ Alexander V. Frolov P.O. Box 37, 193024, St.-Petersburg, Russia alex@frolov.spb.ru ____________________________________________________________________________ To: INE@padrak.com Organization: Institute for New Energy =46rom: "Alexander V. Frolov" Date: Sun, 17 Mar 96 18:28:14 +0300 Subject: Conference in Russia, June 1996 Lines: 482 MIME-Version: 1.0 Dear Sir, We hope that this information is interesting for you. You are welcome! Please, submit this file in your local network, BBS, press, WWW . Sincerely, Organizing committee From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Mar 19 08:16:27 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id SAA15763 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 18:40:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA15728 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 18:39:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.5) id SAA17879; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 18:39:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 18:39:50 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Now where have I heard this before? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 27 Feb 96 22:39:20 PST From: davidspd@mailhost.world.net To: billb@eskimo.com Bill, Whilst reading New Scientist :- Ref 2017, 17 Feb 1996 : Major title "Forget Aerodynamics.. Anything can fly" I came upon a very interesting topic which I thought you might find fairly interesting. There is a four page article beginning on page 28 which covers :- Hypersonic flying The use of Air Spikes to reduce drag over aircraft Reusable near space vehicle The items which are most interesting refer to "The ideal configuration" of this proposed vehicle namely, and I quote :- "Electromagnetic effects to power the aircraft" "Flying saucer shape is ideal" "Rim would be fitted with current carrying electrodes" "Superconducting magnets .... would propel the vehicle forward" "Magnetohydrodynamic propulsion system" The article proposes a configuration of a vehicle which could be used to deliver payload into earth orbit. The advantages of this vehicle over others is that it negates most of the shockwave by the use of a directed microwave beam which would be focused at the front of the aircraft to create a parabolic shock wave which would never touch the aircraft. (Unlike normal configurations) Although the items about using a plasma to reduce air flow drag is not new, Please see below :- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Electroaerodynamics In Supersonic Flow by M. S. Cahn and G. M. Andrew, Northrop Corporation, Hawthorne, California Presented at AIAA 6th Aerospace Sciences Meeting, January 22-24, 1968 ELECTRO-AERODYNAMICS: Electric charges are applied to high-speed vehicles for the purpose of reducing air drag or eliminating sonic booms. High-speed ions are projected forward from the leading edges of the craft, the corona glow propagates forward and repels air molecules away from the oncoming surfaces, thus a shock wave cannot be mechanically produced. Product Engineering. "Sonic Boom Experiments", Vol. 39, New York, pp. 35-6, March 11, 1968. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The article is worthy of note since it appears in a major scientific British journal. Check it out, if you haven't done so already. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Mar 19 09:34:52 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id WAA28739 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 22:08:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from virtu.sar.usf.edu (choi@virtu.sar.usf.edu [131.247.150.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA28692 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 22:08:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (choi@localhost) by virtu.sar.usf.edu (8.6.11/8.6.5) id AAA14996; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 00:59:23 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 00:59:21 -0500 (EST) From: "Charles Choi (SAR)" X-Sender: choi@virtu To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com cc: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Unrelated question In-Reply-To: <314C6697.5550@introtech.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: As a warning, this is a generally unrelated question. I'm trying to write a science fiction story, and one of the 'props' is a aerospace craft that isn't an air-breather ( that is to say, doesn't use oxygen in an internal combustion action ), using instead ion plasma propulsion engines. The problem concerns propellant; I want to use the most compact fuel so that the aerospace craft can feasibly be transatmospheric and not be a scramjet. So what is theoretically and ideally the most compact solid propellant? Mercury? Some sort of antimatter-matter engine? I'm just afraid that the aerospace craft will crash due to lack of propellant after escaping from the atmosphere. Any ideas? Or ideas about places to find ideas? Sincerely. Quentin Holte. ( aka Charles Choi. ) You are all the Buddha. - Last words of Buddha. If you see the Buddha, kill him. - Zen proverb. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Mar 19 01:20:15 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id AAA08514 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 00:53:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.nmaa.org (luckier.nmaa.org [204.91.49.10]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA08479 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 00:53:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from ppp24.nmaa.org ([204.91.49.24]) by mail.nmaa.org (post.office MTA v1.9.1 ID# 0-11620) with SMTP id AAA151; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 00:55:04 -0400 Message-ID: <314EA031.7DEC@nmaa.org> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 03:53:21 -0800 From: smb@nmaa.org (Steve Bugher) Organization: smb Associates X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: TESLA , Free Energy Subject: fnrg: [Fwd: Warning? JAVA Virii or "CYBERPLASTS"!] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Looking for PROOF of JAVA Virii or "CYBERPLASTS"! phil hooper wrote: > > hey steve, > > well, I don't speak for sun or netscape or anyone else, but I think > you may want to read the information on the net about the design features > of java and the browsers, as well as bugs that create security holes. > > java applets are actually pretty restricted in the netscape browser... > they can't read or write to your disk, so the theory about an applet > reading all your private data and sending it someplace is fantasy. > > note, however, that this is a restriction that netscape puts on...another > browser may not do this. sun's hotjava browser lets the user > specify directories that the java applets can read/write, but you need > to explicitly turn this on. > > if you want to be 100% safe, don't connect to a network. assuming you > want the benefits of a network connection, you are always exposed > to the possibility that a bug or a poorly designed piece of software > will expose your data to the world. > > keep in mind, however, that companies like netscape would go belly-up > if their customers started getting compromised or their data got > corrupted. > > you are dealing with a technology under development, and you'll need to > evaluate for yourself whether things like looking at vrml files is worth > any real or imaginary risk that people like mike mandeville propagate. > > take care, > phil > > p.s. I assume the windows lockup while running the javascript > program is a bug in the browser or in the javascript program. > c'est la vie. What do you all think of this? *_____ _ _ ____ /Steve) / \/ \ |Buer) Steven M. Bugher 301 565-2203 P: 202 424-8635 \____ \ / /\ \ |---< 1717 Luzerne Ave. Silver Spring MD 20910-1510 (_____//__/ \__\|____) smb@nmaa.org http://www.nmaa.org/members/smb From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Mar 20 02:28:19 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id BAA06259 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 20 Mar 1996 01:52:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA06210 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 1996 01:52:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from Default (s3c0p4.aa.net [204.157.220.136]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA26064 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 1996 01:52:21 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199603200952.BAA26064@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 01:51:46 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg: [Fwd: Warning? JAVA Virii or "CYBERPLASTS"!] Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 03:53 AM 3/19/96 -0800, you wrote: >Looking for PROOF of JAVA Virii or "CYBERPLASTS"! > >phil hooper wrote: >> >> hey steve, >> >> well, I don't speak for sun or netscape or anyone else, but I think >> you may want to read the information on the net about the design features >> of java and the browsers, as well as bugs that create security holes. >> >> java applets are actually pretty restricted in the netscape browser... >> they can't read or write to your disk, so the theory about an applet >> reading all your private data and sending it someplace is fantasy. >> >> note, however, that this is a restriction that netscape puts on...another >> browser may not do this. sun's hotjava browser lets the user >> specify directories that the java applets can read/write, but you need >> to explicitly turn this on. >> >> if you want to be 100% safe, don't connect to a network. assuming you >> want the benefits of a network connection, you are always exposed >> to the possibility that a bug or a poorly designed piece of software >> will expose your data to the world. >> >> keep in mind, however, that companies like netscape would go belly-up >> if their customers started getting compromised or their data got >> corrupted. >> >> you are dealing with a technology under development, and you'll need to >> evaluate for yourself whether things like looking at vrml files is worth >> any real or imaginary risk that people like mike mandeville propagate. >> >> take care, >> phil >> >> p.s. I assume the windows lockup while running the javascript >> program is a bug in the browser or in the javascript program. >> c'est la vie. > >What do you all think of this? >*_____ _ _ ____ >/Steve) / \/ \ |Buer) Steven M. Bugher 301 565-2203 P: 202 424-8635 >\____ \ / /\ \ |---< 1717 Luzerne Ave. Silver Spring MD 20910-1510 >(_____//__/ \__\|____) smb@nmaa.org http://www.nmaa.org/members/smb > > I have documentation of a javascript site that locks up the computer even with the java option in Netscape turned off. Netscape definitely has a problem here. The guy above basically is echoing the Sun/Netscape and Java developer wannabe party line. We are in the early wave of the Java rush and these guys are poohpoohing the problems because they don't want to believe it. I can't blame them for wanting Java to be good. There is a good intent and a lot to like about the Sun initiative. But these guys don't walk on water and there are definitely some problems. Those problems are being broadcast throughout cyberspace...have you seen the Java rush at the bookstores?.. I think Java is a good possibility for intRAnets but I think it needs another round of software maturity before it can be EVALUATED for POSSIBLE general use on the internet. ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Mar 20 02:22:15 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id BAA06270 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 20 Mar 1996 01:52:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA06221 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 1996 01:52:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from Default (s3c0p4.aa.net [204.157.220.136]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA26068 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 1996 01:52:25 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199603200952.BAA26068@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 01:51:50 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: The Challange. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 12:45 PM 3/18/96 EST, you wrote: > Remove the battery from the Newman device, and prove that it delivers > more energy to a resistive load than the sum of it's measured initial > capacity. and the energy used to drive the Newman device for a given > time. > > I hope the experiments Mr. Newman performed to form his theory are far > better than those being used as "evidence" for his theory so far. I > also hope Mr. Newman understands why the tests described so far fall > far short of being proof of anything unusual. > > Why not modify that challenge to include the type of tests and > measurements suggested here? The current challenge as stated is not > worth $1.00, much less $10k. If for some reason this level of testing > is not acceptable, can Mr. Newman suggest another challenge that would > be accepted as being complete? > Thanks for your comments. They are about right on. I would add a request to put a true load on the motor output and measure the mechanical energy output via a dynameter while the other measurements are being taken. As I understand it, there are two components of the energy out: mechanical and electrical. ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Mar 20 02:17:19 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id BAA06503 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 20 Mar 1996 01:53:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA06473 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 1996 01:53:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from Default (s3c0p4.aa.net [204.157.220.136]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA26093 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 1996 01:53:17 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199603200953.BAA26093@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 01:52:41 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg: JAVA Virii - Netscape 2.01 Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 01:21 AM 3/20/96 -0800, you wrote: >URGENT WARNING: NetScape 2.0 security hole! > > Thanks for your post, Steve, it was very informative. Looks like the quote below: >you are dealing with a technology under development, and you'll need to >evaluate for yourself whether things like looking at vrml files is worth >any real or imaginary risk that people like mike mandeville propagate. > >take care, >phil "imaginary risk" is a lot more real than virtual... BTW, have found more users with lockup problems at other sites. All you advertising graphic cool site weenies out there, "cool" javascript is about as welcome as a case of bad breath... Steve pointed to a VERY BIG ISSUE: the use of the internet is based upon cooperative trust. The commercial weenies are trying to shoehorn in their cool drooling chops to MAKE MONEY IN THE FAST LANE. The trust and the cooperation is tenuous, and if it evaporates, bye bye traffic, bye bye ratings, bye bye ad money, bye bye bye... ------------------------------------------- >*_____ _ _ ____ >/Steve) / \/ \ |Buer) Steven M. Bugher 301 565-2203 P: 202 424-8635 >\____ \ / /\ \ |---< 1717 Luzerne Ave. Silver Spring MD 20910-1510 >(_____//__/ \__\|____) smb@nmaa.org http://www.nmaa.org/members/smb > > SUN, NETSCAPE, MICROSOFT, BEWARE OR A PLAGUE ON ALL OF YOUR HOUSES. THE RAMPANT, BUGGY COMMERICALIZTION WHICH IS UNDERWAY IS NOT WELCOME AND WILL CREATE A BACKLASH. NETIZENS ARE GONNA TAKE ACTION. Why don't you guys sloooow down and accept some responsibility for taking a responsible, cooperative approach? Your stuff is so buggy, you are obviously not currently concerned with the elemental finesse of proper systems engineering. What you are doing now definitely is not it. ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Mar 20 12:41:32 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id LAA11857 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 20 Mar 1996 11:19:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA11800 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 1996 11:18:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from Default (s3c3p7.aa.net [204.157.220.163]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA22240 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 1996 11:18:26 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199603201918.LAA22240@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 11:17:52 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: Michael Mandeville Subject: fnrg: PERFORMANCE ANALYSIS OF ONE NEWMAN MOTOR Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >X-POP3-Rcpt: mwm@big >Return-Path: josephnewman@earthlink.net >X-Intended-For: >Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 09:55:41 -0800 >X-Sender: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Unverified) >To: Stewardo@msn.com >From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) >Subject: PERFORMANCE ANALYSIS OF ONE NEWMAN MOTOR > >PERFORMANCE ANALYSIS OF ONE NEWMAN MOTOR > >This document compiles and analyzes the results of several experiments >performed on the Newman Motor. The results of the experimental work show >that this motor operates with energy output far in excess of energy input. >This work is intended to characterize the motor, and to organize the >experimental results. It is hoped that the document will serve as a guide >in the development of the mathematical theory which explains the Newman >Motor. > >I. Mechanical Energy Output > >A. Test against a d.c. Permanent Magnet Motor/Rated 80% Efficient. > >In this experiment, eight fresh 1.5 Volt alkaline batteries were connected >to an 80% rated efficient d.c. motor. The motor turned an oil pump at >about 1 Hz. The motor ran for 6 minutes, and the final battery voltage was >about 60% of the starting voltage. > >Alkaline batteries were used because battery performance curves were >available from the manufacturer. One such chart is plotted in Fig. 1. The >performance of the d.c. motor is verified by the chart, which predicts that >the batteries, when initially drained at 2 amps, will last 6 min. The >measured motor drain under load was near 2 amps. > > 2.0!* <------ Operating Point of d.c. motor > ! > ! > 1.8! > ! > ! > 1.6! > ! > ! * > 1.4! > ! > ! > 1.2! > ! > ! > 1.0! > ! > ! > 0.8! > ! > ! * > 0.6! > ! > ! > 0.4! * > ! ___ Operating >pt./Newman Motor > ! / > 0.2! X > ! * > ! > = 0!_______________________________________________________________________ > 0 1.0 2.0 3.0 4.0 5.0 6.0 7.0 8.0 9.0 = 10.0 > >Vertical axis ---- Starting Drain (Amps) >Horizontal axis ---- Time to Reach 60% of Fresh Battery Voltage (hours) > >FIGURE 1: Eveready Alkaline Battery Performance Curve >Starting Current Drain VS Time to Reach 60% of Fresh Battery Voltage > >[Any typographical errors in this document are a result of the typist >preparing this in ASCII format; any positional and/or notational >irregularities in the graphs/formulae depicted in this document may be due >to transmission between platforms. Wherever possible, words are used >instead of mathematical symbols to reduce the incidence of such notational >irregularities.] > > >The above results allow us to estimate the power consumed by the oil pump. >We find: > > initial pump output power >___________________________ equals 0.8 >initial battery input power > >pump output equals 0.8 times 2 amps times 12 volts equals 19 Watts > > >The same pump was connected to the Newman Motor (with a 90# permanent >magnet rotor) so that the pump again ran at near 1 Hz. Therefore, the pump >was consuming the same power in this experiment. Eight fresh batteries >were connected to the Newman Motor. The batteries were drained to about >60% of their starting voltage after seven (7) hours! Although the input >current to the Newman Motor follows a complicated waveform, we may estimate >the initial average input current from the performance curve (fig. 1). >Using 0.2 amps at 12 volts we find: > >Initial Newman Motor Input equals 2.4 Watts. > >Since the output is consuming 19 Watts, we have: > >Newman Motor Efficiency equals 19 divided by 2.4 times 100 percent equals >800 percent. > >At this point we note that the intrinsic efficiency of the Newman Motor >could be greatly increased. As designed now, the motor has a tremendous >leakage flux, and extreme mechanical losses. An efficiently designed >Newman Motor would certainly have three times the efficiency quoted above, >and perhaps ten times (8,000 percent). > > >B. Static Torque Test > >The output shafts of the d.c. motor and Newman Motor were connected in turn >to a scale via a pulley and belt. The d.c. motor pulled a maximum of 1.5 >lbs., while the Newman motor pulled 13 lbs. At maximum load the d.c. motor >consumed about 24 Watts while the Newman Motor consumed only 2.4 Watts. > > > Newman Motor 13 > Static Torque Ratio: ------------ equals --- equals 8.7 > d.c. motor 1.5 > > > Newman Power > @ Input Energy Ratio: ---------------- equals 0.1 > d.c. motor power > > >If we define a motor performance parameter under static loads by the ratio >of maximum torque output to the input energy drain, we find that this >number is 87 times larger for the Newman Motor than for the d.c. permanent >magnet motor. > > >C. Battery Lifetime Tests > >It has become apparent that the batteries powering the Newman motor outlive >the expectations of the manufacturer. In this test, 124 old alkaline >batteries were used to power the (90 lb. rotor) motor. The batteries read >2/3 of their fresh voltage value at the outset of the experiment. It was >found that the 90 lb cylindrical rotor is spun up to 6 Hz. in 21 sec. when >the batteries are connected to the motor. The voltage drops from 125 V. to >70 V. when the batteries are connected, and remains at 70 V. when the rotor >runs at speed. The minimum power supplied by the batteries is therefore >equal to the power required to spin up the rotor. > > This is: > > P equals one-half I W(squared) /t > > where > > t equals time to spin up rotor equals 21 sec. > > W equals angular speed equals 2 X =BD X 6 Hz. > > R[squared] L[squared] > I equals M ( ------- plus ------- ) > 4 12 > > M equals rotor mass equals 41 kg. > > R equals rotor radius (apr.) equals .08m. > > L equals rotor length (apr.) equals .31m. > > >This yields a minimum energy required to keep the rotor spinning at 6 Hz. >of 13 Watts. Therefore the batteries must be supplying at least 13/70 >equals 190 m amps. As a separate estimate it was found that a constant >drain of 300 m amps. through a resistor drops the battery voltage from 125 >V to 70 V. Consulting the battery charts we find that a fresh battery with >a starting drain of 150 m amps. (100 m amps. when V equals 2/3 starting >voltage) will drop from 2/3 to 1/2 of its starting voltage in a few hours. >If the batteries began at 2/3 of their fresh voltage under a drain of 250 m >amps. they would be very dead in two hours. > >The Newman Motor has been run for between one and four hours per day for a >total of ten hours. The batteries began at 2/3 of their fresh voltage, and >after the ten hours the voltage had not dropped perceptibly. Joseph Newman >intends to continue running the motor a few hours per day to test the >limits of his motor. Here again, the mechanical energy consumed by the >spinning rotor is far in excess of the maximum possible electrical energy >which could be supplied by the batteries (according to the charts). An >efficiency near 1000 percent is indicated by the experiment to date. > >THREE WEEKS LATER: > >On this date the old batteries have worn down to a point at which they will >not even run a one and one-half V. small toy motor. Yet when they are >connected to the Newman motor, the 90 lb. rotor is spun up to 4.5 Hz in >about 20 seconds! > > >II. Electrical Energy Output > >The Newman Motor generates electrical energy by induction. The relevant >experiments have been documented and indicate an efficiency of about 400 >percent in the generation of electrical power. Experiments have since been >run in which mechanical energy was measured via measurement of the >frequency at which the motor runs while delivering a measured torque. >Electrical energy was simultaneously generated, and the sum of electrical >and mechanical energy was roughly twice the energy obtained when only >electrical energy was generated. In this experiment an accurate measure of >the input power was not made. Instead, batteries were used and the time >required to drain the batteries to a given voltage was measured. It was >hoped that the battery charts could be used to estimate the input power. >The result was too close to 100% efficiency to rely upon the accuracy of >the charts. It should be noted that the measured output energy did not >include losses in the belt used to transmit torque. In addition, the whole >measurement apparatus was set into motion by the magnetic force during >rotation. > > >III. Static Measurements > >Joseph Newman has made measurements of the static torque generated by his >600 pound magnet at various voltages. These results agree with theoretical >predictions based upon measurements of the magnetic moment of the magnet. >The predicted torque is: > > __` __` __` > =AC/=B4 equals M times H , > >and the maximum torque is MH. The static field generated by the coil is: > > > N I > H equals --- > L > > > N equals no. turns > > > L equals coil height > > > I equals coil current > > >The magnetic field of the 600 lb. magnet was measured at various distances >from the magnet using a Hall effect transducer (factory calibrated). These >results were compared with the expression for the dipole field to yield a >magnetic moment of: > > 7 \ / 3 3 > M equals 10 0- ft or 100 gauss ft. Therefore, the maximum torque >is predicted to be: > > -3 NI > =AC/=B4 equals MH equals 2.6 times 10 (----) ft. lbs., > L > >I in amps, > >L in meters. > > >The length of the motor coil is .69 m. and the number of turns is 2,630. >Therefore, > > =AC/=B4 equals 9.9 I ft. lbs. (I in amps). > > >Joseph Newman's measurements of torque and current are listed below: > > >Voltage I =AC/=B4 =AC/=B4 / I > 6 .6 17.3/4 7.21 > 12 .98 33/4 8.42 > 18 .75 29.3/4 9.77 > 24 1.3 38/4 7.31 > 30 1.4 47/4 8.39 > ----- > average 8.2 > > >The value 8.2 for =AC/=B4 / I compares well with the predicted value of= 9.9 >considering inaccuracies in measuring devices. > >It has often been noted by Joseph Newman that for a fixed power input to a >coil, the torque increases with the moment of the magnet. If the magnet is >made infinitely magnetic, the torque becomes infinite, even if the power to >the coil is very small. > > >IV. Dynamic Properties > >A.) Inductance > >To begin with, the inductance of the 600 lb. magnet motor coil may be >predicted and taken from measurement. The predicted value is: > > 2 A > L equals M N --- , > o L > > A equals coil area > > L equals coil length > > N equals 2630 > > >With a coil radius of 2.5 feet and 2.25 feet length, we predict L equals 23 >henries. > > >In operation, the motor inputs a square wave voltage for a fraction of the >roughly 0.5 Hz. cycle. Since the coil resistance is 13r, L/R should be >much larger than one period, and we predict a current rise of: > > > -------------- > ! > ! > V ! > ------------ > > > / > / > I / > / > -------------------------- > > > V -t/L/R V > I equals --- (l-e ) approximately equal to --- t > R L > > > >From an oscillograph photo with no load on the system, the coil current >rises 0.5 amps in 0.1 sec. when 200 volts are switched across the coil. >Thus: > > > 200 (0.1) > L equals ------------- equals 40 Henries > 0.5 > > >The magnet is turning during this measurement so the approximate agreement >between theory and measurement is reasonable. > > >B.) Motor Frequency > >Under no lead and assuming zero friction, the maximum theoretically >possible frequency of the motor is determined by the condition that the >induced voltage is equal to (-) the input voltage. The induced voltage is: > > 2 > Vind approximately equal to -w Bmagnet =BC Ro N , > > Bmag equals magnetic induction of rotating magnet > > Ro equals coil radius > > w equals 2=BC X frequency > > With Vind equals - V we find: > > V 1 > f equals --- --------------- > 2 > 2=BC =BC Ro N Bmag > > > Now Bmag equals 2=BC M , > --- > r > > > M equals magnetic moment , r equals magnet volume > > > W 3 > With m equals .01 --- (ft) , Ro equals .76 m , N equals = 2630 > 2 > m > > > 2 3 > /`=B4/ equals =BC (1') X 4' equals 12.56 (ft) we find: > > > V =87 > f equals --- ------------------ equals .0067 V (Hz) > 3 2 > 4=BC M N R0 > > > > f equals .402 V (rpm) > > >At 200 Volts we find the maximum frequency, if the motor had a 100% >intrinsic efficiency (no losses) , is: > > f equals 80.4 rpm , about double the 600 lb observed motor >frequency under no load. > > >C.) Energy Input (Theoretical Estimate) > > > Assuming that: > > o > 1.) The voltage input and induced emf are 180 out of phase. > > 2.) The voltage input varies sinusoidally. > > >We have: > > > iwt dI > (V - Vind) e equals L --- plus IR > dt > > > > V - Vind > I equals ------------- cos (wt - Q) > -------------- > ) 2 > R ) 1 plus (wL) > ---- > R > > > where t an (Q) equals wL/R > > > The average power consumed by the coil is then: > > > 1 V (V - Vind) > P equals --- ----------------------- cos (Q) > 2 -------------- > / 2 > R `/ 1 plus (wL) > ---- > R > > > > > 1 V (V - Vind) V R >(V - Vind) > P equals --- ----------------------- apr. equals ---- ---- > 2 -------------- 2wL wL > / 2 > R `/ 1 plus (wL) > ---- > R > > > 40 > With w equals 2=BC ---- apr. equals 4 , L equals 50 , wL= equals 200 , > 60 > > > wL 1 > ---- equals 20 , V equals 200 Vind apr. equals --- V >equals 100 , > R 2 > > 100 > P equals ----- equals 2.5 Watts > 40 > > >This number agrees approximately with Joseph Newman's measurements of input >power, in an experiment in which output was measured at about 5 Watts. The >numbers used in the above calculation are approximate so the result >represents an estimate. The expression for the input power along with the >expression for Vind allow a prediction of how input power varies with motor >frequency and voltage. The plot is shown in Figure 2, and the prediction >is given below: > > > (1) (2) (3) >10.0! * * * > ! * * * > ! * * * > 9.0! * * * > ! * * * > ! * * * > 8.0! * * * > ! * * * > ! * * * > 7.0! * * * > ! * * * > ! * * * > 6.0! * * * > ! * * * > ! * * * > 5.0! * * * > ! * * * > ! * * * > 4.0! * * * > ! * * * > ! * * * > 3.0! * * * > ! * * * > ! * * * > 2.0! * * * > ! * * * > ! * * * > 1.0! * * * > ! * * * > ! * * * > >0!______________________*_______________________*__________________________= * >________ > 0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 110 120 > >Vertical axis ---- Predicted Input Power (Watts) >Horizontal axis ---- Motor Frequency (rpm) > >FIGURE 2: Predicted Input Power VS Motor Frequency (600 lb unit) > > 1) ---- V equals 100 Volts > > 2) ---- V equals 200 Volts > > 3) ---- V equals 300 Volts > > >[Note: due to the limitations of the ASCII medium, the above ***** lines >appear jagged; >also, the graphical representation is qualitative and approximately >quantitative due the nature of the ******** lines.] > > > 2 >Predicted Power Input equals 450 ( V ) (1 - 200 f ) > --- --- --- > 200 V 80 > -------------------------------- Watts > 2 > (1 plus [ f ] ) > ----- > 3.1 > > V equals input voltage (volts) > > f equals motor frequency (rpm) > > >This result was obtained by requiring the derived formula to match the >experimental result that input power at 200 volts and 35.7 rpm. is 1.8 >Watts. > > >V. Predicted Output Power > >The output power is found by averaging the product of torque on the magnet >and frequency over one cycle. The torque is given by: > > ----` ----` ----` > =AC/=B4 equals M times H , > > MNI > and =AC/=B4 equals MH cos (wt) equals ---- cos (wt) , > L > >Where the fact that maximum torque occurs in phase with maximum input >voltage has been used. The output power is therefore: > > > MN (V. - Vind) W > P (t) equals ---- ------------- ------------------- cos >(wt) cos (wt-Q) , > L R --------------- > / 2 > `/ 1 plus ( wL ) > ( ---- ) > ( R ) >and the average power is: > > 1 MN (V - Vind) w > Pout equals --- ---- ----------------------- > 2 L R ( 2 ) > ( ( wL ) ) > (1 plus ( ---- ) ) > ( ( R ) ) > > >The output power goes to zero at the maximum frequency (V equals Vind) , >and also at zero frequency. > > >VI. Predicted Efficiency > >Dividing the expressions for output and input power yields: > > MN W >Predicted efficiency equals ---- --- times 100 percent , > L V > > >Where W cannot exceed its maximum value. Using MN/L equals 9.9 ft. lbs. >1 amp equals 13 j./amp yields the following expression for the predicted >efficiency of the 600 pound Newman motor: > > > f >Predicted efficiency equals 1.4 ---- times 100 percent , f in r.p.m. > V V in volts > >Operating under no load, the above formula predicts a Newman Motor >efficiency of 24% (35 rpm at 200 volts). The theoretical maximum motor >efficiency is obtained by using the maximum frequency of 80 rpm at 200 V., >yielding a 56% upper limit in the case that the motor has zero frictional >losses. Working back through the equations it can be seen that the maximum >predicted efficiency is given purely in terms of geometrical factors (ratio >of magnet volume to coil volume), and cannot exceed 100%. > >It is clear that the measured efficiencies for the Newman Motor are far in >excess of predicted efficiencies. The predicted input power is in >agreement with measured input. > >The measured output power exceeds the predicted output. For example, at >1.8 Watts input and 24% efficiency, we expect 0.4 Watts output from the >Newman Motor. In one experiment the motor generated 5 Watts of output >power with 1.8 Watts input drain. The discrepancies are far too large to >be explained by experimental errors. > > >VII. Unusual (Non Conventional) Behavior > >As seen above, a number of properties of the Newman Motor follow >conventional theory. In specific, the input power is as expected. The >output power (in excess of input) is the non-conventional result. In my >mind, the most interesting motor measurement is the oscillograph photos >taken around the coil showing very high voltages. This photo also shows >the (to me amazing) fact that the coil current is over three times the >current at the battery when the voltage is applied. > > >My opinion is that an excess charge is left in the coil when the input >voltage is cut off. At this point, a spark appears and a huge induced >e.m.f. is created in the coil. This e.m.f. SHOULD disappear quickly >(showing up as a spike). However, the high voltage remains, having the >period of the moving magnet. This indicates that the magnet is "pushing" >an excess charge around in the coil, and this appears as excess current >when contact is re-established with the battery. > >There is also the issue of the "anomalous" current which appears during the >spark. It is unclear from the photos whether this current appears in the >coil, but it has the proper sign and magnitude to drive the magnet. > > >VIII. Future Theoretical Research > >The upcoming challenge for this writer is to explain the Newman Motor >output mathematically. The purpose of the above documentation, for me, is >to isolate the origin of the excess energy. At that point it is likely >that application of a unified theory of charge, matter, and energy, e.g., >Joseph Newman's Theory, will be required to mathematically describe the >results. This mathematical exlanation will also have to explain other >various embodiments of the Newman Invention, which will obviously result >from the Newman Disclosures. > > >Dr. Roger Hastings, PhD. >Principal Physicist, Unisys Corporation >Former Associate Professor of Physics >North Dakota State University > >------------------------------------------------------ >[Note: Since the testing performed on the 600 lb Newman Motor as described >above, numerous improvements/innovations have been made to subsequent >Newman Motor designs.] > > >Evan Soule >Director of Information >Newman Energy Systems > >telephone numbers: >(601) 947-7147 or >(504) 524-3063 > >addresses: >Route 1, Box 52, Lucedale, MS 39452 USA or >P.O. Box 57684, New Orleans, Louisiana 70157-7684 > >email: >josephnewman@earthlink.net or >johntesla@aol.com. > > > ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Mar 19 20:14:49 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id TAA10061 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 19:22:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.htp.com (mail.htp.com [199.171.4.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA10011 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 19:22:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from wb187.htp.net (wb187.htp.net [206.112.48.187]) by mail.htp.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id WAA01088 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 22:28:50 -0500 Message-Id: <199603200328.WAA01088@mail.htp.com> X-Sender: sac@mail.htp.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 22:20:59 -0500 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: John Mecca Subject: Re: fnrg: A-21 Fuel Update Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: If he is an inventor you could try to run a paid search of the patent office patent files . A search of his name will if he has a patent turn up his address . Good Luck At 07:52 AM 3/18/96 -0700, you wrote: >On Sun, 17 Mar 1996, William Beaty wrote: >>This is my first post here. I will admit to not being a technical >>person, and therefore don't understand many of the concepts I have >>read about while lurking in the background. I find them very >>interesting notwithstanding said ignorance. >> >>I would like to know if it is possible for a contact address (if >>known) for Rudolf Gunnerman, to be provided to me. >> >>regards >>Vince Ingram >> > > A55 (limited partnership) > Rudolph W. Gunnerman > 210 Gentry Way > Reno, Nevada > Voice (702) 826-8300 > Fax 826-8383 > > > > -- Registered ICC User check out http://www.usefulware.com/~jfoltz From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Mar 19 23:04:49 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id WAA18391 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 22:22:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.nmaa.org (luckier.nmaa.org [204.91.49.10]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA18347 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 22:22:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from ppp24.nmaa.org ([204.91.49.24]) by mail.nmaa.org (post.office MTA v1.9.1 ID# 0-11620) with SMTP id AAA180; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 22:23:28 -0400 Message-ID: <314FCDFD.96F@nmaa.org> Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 01:21:01 -0800 From: smb@nmaa.org (Steve Bugher) Organization: smb Associates X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sun , Microsoft Email , Netscape Bug Report CC: TESLA , Free Energy , "F-PROT by DataFellows of Finland. TechHelp" , Phil.Hooper@Eng.Sun.COM Subject: fnrg: JAVA Virii - Netscape 2.01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: URGENT WARNING: NetScape 2.0 security hole! Netscape has released Ver: 2.01! http://home.netscape.com/ http://home.netscape.com/comprod/mirror/index.html Read the security info link: http://home.netscape.com/newsref/std/java_security.html Under: Options->Security Preferances->General->Java It now allows us to: Disable JavaScript, but DOES NOT allow us to Disable Java --- YET! I'm not sure if this 2.01 is a fix, PR or what! NEW Netscape 2.01 BUGS: By the way, 2.01 was the hardest release so far to install! Use Existing NETSCAPE.INI did not completely work (had to reenter alot of stuff previous beta versions saved), there is now a NETSCAPE.INI in the NS and \WINDOWS DIRs, I,m not sure but it looks like they now use both, but some settings seem to be elsewhere!? There are now a fiew *.isu files now? The "AutoScroll", slow News and slow SELECT (for EDIT) bugs are still present too! It doesn't seem like much was really done. In trying to post these messages, I found a new Netscape 2.01 BUG; on the first or second send to a newsgroup, the system hangs, the mouse moves but the buttons don't work! Ctrl+Alt+Del Enter closes Netscape To:News, News, the Browser and NS Mail if running!!! Windows are OK and you have to restart Netscape again --- guess we will have to use other News and Mail programs again now. It would seem that Microsoft's InterNET Explorer, Sun's hotjava browser and any others using JAVA also can violate our security! Any comments? Mail & info I have gotten: -------------------------- ... clip ... THINK HARD ABOUT THIS GUYS. I think netizens have got to say no to the new drug of java. I predict they will. Java probably can be made to run pretty well on "intranets", carefully controlled internal lans. But even there, I sure would think out very hard just what I am willing to expose to possible internal abuse. I am not "anti-java" and there are no politics in my motives. I don't own Microsoft stock, and I can recognize value where there is potential value, just as well as I can see the potential costs. REMEMBER, YOU HEARD ABOUT "CYBERPLASTS" right here for the first time. ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm ____________________________________ MICHAEL: I've been following this thread and related topics (in print and electronic media) on a very 'peripheral' basis, but some of the claims you seem to be making here have definitely caught my attention. Are you saying that people can write and post Java applets that can, if I click on them, dive into my machine and do what they will without my knowledge and permission??? If so, it would be an outrageous and despicable abuse. Can you provide details and methods by which anyone could independently verify your claims? ____________ mmoran@cts1.internetwis.com (Michael Moran) =========================================== Subject: Warning? JAVA Virii or "CYBERPLASTS"! Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 13:33:55 -0800 From: Phil.Hooper@Eng.Sun.COM (phil hooper) hey steve, well, I don't speak for sun or netscape or anyone else, but I think you may want to read the information on the net about the design features of java and the browsers, as well as bugs that create security holes. java applets are actually pretty restricted in the netscape browser... they can't read or write to your disk, so the theory about an applet reading all your private data and sending it someplace is fantasy. note, however, that this is a restriction that netscape puts on...another browser may not do this. sun's hotjava browser lets the user specify directories that the java applets can read/write, but you need to explicitly turn this on. if you want to be 100% safe, don't connect to a network. assuming you want the benefits of a network connection, you are always exposed to the possibility that a bug or a poorly designed piece of software will expose your data to the world. keep in mind, however, that companies like netscape would go belly-up if their customers started getting compromised or their data got corrupted. you are dealing with a technology under development, and you'll need to evaluate for yourself whether things like looking at vrml files is worth any real or imaginary risk that people like mike mandeville propagate. take care, phil p.s. I assume the windows lockup while running the javascript program is a bug in the browser or in the javascript program. c'est la vie. ===================================================================== Phil, Is this not the Sun Company Line??? If not why Netscape 2.01? I think we all have the RIGHT to expect that the major S/W vendors on the net do not write programs designed to be able to invade our privacy (See the Movie: The NET, it's real life!). When the people and the government figure these JAVA and other Macro invaders platforms out you can bet they will "go belly-up"! Your statment: "if you want to be 100% safe, don't connect to a network." may just happen in mass if this stuff continues! Big Brother does seem to be watching! Steve. ===================================================================== Subject: Re: fnrg: [Fwd: Warning? JAVA Virii or "CYBERPLASTS"!] Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 07:28:54 -0600 (CST) From: Ian Reinhart Geiser Re: Phil.Hooper's Email (above) i might also add that me an a few friends here have used JAVA to spawn aplication on other computers as jokes... BUT WITH VERY LITTLE EFFORT it would not be that hard to compleatly comprimise all security on that computer AND IT'S USERS ACCOUNT. personally i think JAVA is a great idea but i will not use it until CHRP (Coomen Hardware Referance Platofrorm) becomes more wide spread, and T3's and ISDN become more widespread... Otherwise it bodgs down the line. ian reinhart geiser ================================================== Conference: Web Technical Team From: paul werner (wernerpd@nmaa.org) Topic: Warning? JAVA Virii or (2/2) Date: Friday, March 15, 1996 10:12 AM I agree with some of the assessments on both word documents and java scripts. My machine at home is not the most high speed in the world. The only java apps that would run are the java scripts that post themselves to the bottom gray line of the web browser. When I attempt to reload pages or rapidly shift to other pages that contain these java scripts, sometimes my system hangs because of the amount of memory they chew up to keep active. I find them slightly annoying in many cases. I have not yet been infected with a virus that has unloaded itself from a java app, but I figure it will only be a matter of time. Concerning the word macro virus, the warnings are right on the mark. We had a person at our office pass a word doc with a macrovirus over the network for wide dissemination. This was not an intentional act, however it was a major disruption. MS has a patch for this at their FTP site. ================================================== Conference: Web Technical Team From: Bart Casiello (bart@nmaa.org) Topic: URGENT WARNING: NetScape 2 security hole (1/1) Date: Monday, March 18, 1996 06:35 PM Here is a security problem with Netscape 2.0 Bart Forwarded message: From: gerco@NIKHEFK.NIKHEF.NL (Gerco Onderwater) Sender: KUVASZ-L@MAIL.EWORLD.COM (Kuvasz Discussion List) Reply-to: KUVASZ-L@MAIL.EWORLD.COM (Kuvasz Discussion List) To: KUVASZ-L@MAIL.EWORLD.COM (Multiple recipients of list KUVASZ-L) Date: 96-03-18 04:57:02 EST Hi web-viewers, After making my web-page available, I also feel the need to forward this message for all of you who are using netscape2.0. My personal message: please do not use NETSCAPE2.0!!!! If you are not concerned with your privacy, please keep using it .... Gerco I feel an urgent need to warn you about the security holes associated with the use of NetScape 2.0 (currently the default netscape version). The JavaScipt facility allows authors of web pages to execute many nasty commands used your name on the local system. See the descriptive text below... NOTE: This hole is NOT related to the DNS security violation by Java Applets* you may have heared about earlier. This is a new security hole! Advised remedy: stop using netscape 2.0 and go back to version 1.1. This is available as "netscape.old" from /usr/local/X11/bin >From the www-security-faq, available from: http://www-genome.wi.mit.edu/WWW/faqs/www-security-faq.html ... Q71: Are there any known security holes in JavaScript? You should be extremely concerned about JavaScript, an integral part of Netscape Navigator 2.0. It allows many types of private information to be included in data submitted to remote sites by fill-out forms, without the consent, or even the knowledge of the user. For example, a recently published script showed how a JavaScript page could grab a user's e-mail address from Netscape's preferences dialog and send it across the Internet. This is just the beginning. Others have figured out how to exploit JavaScript to make much more intrusive invasions of the user's privacy. The scripts at: * http://www.c2.org/~aelana/javascript.html and * http://www.osf.org/~loverso/javascript/track-me.html demonstrate how to take the following obnoxious actions: 1. Read the user's URL history list and transmit it to a remote site. 2. Read the user's disk cache (containing URLs of all frequently visited sites) and transmit it to a remote site. 3. Invisibly monitor all the sites a user visits and transmit them one by one to a remote site (the monitoring persists until the user completely exits from Netscape) 4. Obtain a recursive directory listing of the user's local hard disk and any network disks that happen to be mounted. In addition, it should be possible to exploit the same holes to grab the user's list of subscribed newsgroups and to obtain the contents of local disk files. Not only is this intrusive, but it represents a systemwide security breach. If sensitive system documents (such as password files) can be stolen, then the entire local area network becomes vulnerable to break ins. -- David Groep ** National Institute for Nuclear and High Energy Physics, emin group ** ** Phone: +31 20 592 2093, PObox 41882, NL-1009 DB Amsterdam Netherlands ** ............................................................ Still looking for more PROOF of JAVA Virii or "CYBERPLASTS"! Recently I regressed to Release 2.0, from 2.0b6b and now have gone sideways or down deeper to 2.01 (16bit on WFW 3.11) and have many of the same problems and more that they fixed after 2.0b5 or 2.0b6a! I think they released about 2.0b4&1/2, 2.0b6b was much better but expired Mar. 1, 96; too bad they didn't wait until it was done, 2.0 is not ready for prime time yet, 2.01 MAY have closed SOME JIVE JAVA security exposures (but still does allow us to Disable JAVA --- YET)! Netscape will become another Mocrosoft; rushing things to market like a turtle before they are debugged and ready (like 95 & IE)! There are many other bugs you will discover that were fixed by 2.0b6b! (Many of these problems are also present in the 32 bit and Gold Netscape versions.) Good luck! (2.0b6b was not perfect yet but was / is much better than 2.0 & 2.01)! Netscape Navigator Bug Report SEE: http://cgi.netscape.com/cgi-bin/auto_bug.cgi PLEASE send all MS Windows 95 and 3.1x BUG reports to: win_cbug@netscape.com --------------------- Ask Netscape to extend 2.0b6b (Without JAVA) or release 2.0b7 (Without JAVA) until (2.02 or 2.1) is ready and JAVA can be fully disabled! --------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- *_____ _ _ ____ /Steve) / \/ \ |Buer) Steven M. Bugher 301 565-2203 P: 202 424-8635 \____ \ / /\ \ |---< 1717 Luzerne Ave. Silver Spring MD 20910-1510 (_____//__/ \__\|____) smb@nmaa.org http://www.nmaa.org/members/smb From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Mar 20 06:35:57 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id FAA01384 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 20 Mar 1996 05:54:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id FAA01361 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 1996 05:54:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.5) id FAA06420; Wed, 20 Mar 1996 05:54:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 05:54:12 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: [Fwd: Warning? JAVA Virii or "CYBERPLASTS"!] Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --- FORWARDED --- Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 07:28:54 -0600 (CST) From: Ian Reinhart Geiser To: Steve Bugher Subject: Re: fnrg: [Fwd: Warning? JAVA Virii or "CYBERPLASTS"!] On Tue, 19 Mar 1996, Steve Bugher wrote: > Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 03:53:21 -0800 > From: Steve Bugher > To: TESLA , Free Energy > Subject: fnrg: [Fwd: Warning? JAVA Virii or "CYBERPLASTS"!] > > Looking for PROOF of JAVA Virii or "CYBERPLASTS"! > > phil hooper wrote: > > > > hey steve, > > > > well, I don't speak for sun or netscape or anyone else, but I think > > you may want to read the information on the net about the design features > > of java and the browsers, as well as bugs that create security holes. > > > > java applets are actually pretty restricted in the netscape browser... > > they can't read or write to your disk, so the theory about an applet > > reading all your private data and sending it someplace is fantasy. > > > > note, however, that this is a restriction that netscape puts on...another > > browser may not do this. sun's hotjava browser lets the user > > specify directories that the java applets can read/write, but you need > > to explicitly turn this on. > > > > if you want to be 100% safe, don't connect to a network. assuming you > > want the benefits of a network connection, you are always exposed > > to the possibility that a bug or a poorly designed piece of software > > will expose your data to the world. > > > > keep in mind, however, that companies like netscape would go belly-up > > if their customers started getting compromised or their data got > > corrupted. > > > > you are dealing with a technology under development, and you'll need to > > evaluate for yourself whether things like looking at vrml files is worth > > any real or imaginary risk that people like mike mandeville propagate. > > > > take care, > > phil > > > > p.s. I assume the windows lockup while running the javascript > > program is a bug in the browser or in the javascript program. > > c'est la vie. > > What do you all think of this? > *_____ _ _ ____ > /Steve) / \/ \ |Buer) Steven M. Bugher 301 565-2203 P: 202 424-8635 > \____ \ / /\ \ |---< 1717 Luzerne Ave. Silver Spring MD 20910-1510 > (_____//__/ \__\|____) smb@nmaa.org http://www.nmaa.org/members/smb > i might also add that me an a few friends here have used JAVA to spawn aplication on other computers as jokes... BUT WITH VERY LITTLE EFFORT it would not be that hard to compleatly comprimise all security on that computer AND IT'S USERS ACCOUNT. personally i think JAVA is a great idea but i will not use it until CHRP (Coomen Hardware Referance Platofrorm) becomes more wide spread, and T3's and ISDN become more widespread... Otherwise it bodgs down the line. ian reinhart geiser ****************************************************************************** * Name: | Ian Reinhart Geiser ** Rob Roy's ** *---------------+-----------------------** Last Fantasy Cult ** * Purpose: | unseen **----------------------------------** *---------------+-----------------------************************************** * Function: | undetermined ************************************** *---------------+-----------------------** MEMBERS: ** * Activities: | unlikely ** geiseri@odo.msoe.edu ** *---------------+-----------------------** hirschp@odo.msoe.edu ** * Political | ** handcuff@ods.ods.net ** * Influences: | uncontrollable ** ** *---------------+-----------------------************************************** * Message: | stop the monsters ************************************** ******************************************** MORE TO COME **** ****************************************************************************** Evil Geniuses For A Better Tomarrow 1996 From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Mar 21 18:21:06 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id RAA10353 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 21 Mar 1996 17:04:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from sunny.bahnhof.se (root@sunny.bahnhof.se [193.44.91.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA10183; Thu, 21 Mar 1996 17:03:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from [193.44.91.108] (pppnode8 [193.44.91.108]) by sunny.bahnhof.se (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id CAA08553; Fri, 22 Mar 1996 02:02:19 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 02:02:19 +0100 (MET) X-Sender: david@sunny.bahnhof.se Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: vortex-l@eskimo.com, freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: david@bahnhof.se (David Jonsson) Subject: fnrg: Falling electrons Cc: rognerud@sirius.com, gravitics@aol.com, ERAOTG@era2.ericsson.se, bt@irfu.se, bg@astro.uu.se, david@ibg.uu.se, beaulieu@magi.com, robert@wwa.com, newphys@epact.se, hzetterstrom@sto.foa.se Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: This is a "Gedankenexperiment" =E1 la Einstein. Assume an electron falling toward the earth from outer space. It is accelerating relative the surface of the earth. Does the electron radiate away energy or is the electron in a non-radiating inertial rest-frame? Consider the two alternatives. 1. In a rest frame and not radiating. This means that that another electron in rest relative the surface is "accelerating" and thus radiating. Where does the energy come from in this case? (The Searl and the Biefield-Brown experiments supports this case.) 2. Accelerating and radiating. Assume this electron to be inside a sealed spaceship. The electron would fall slower than the ship. Not in compliance with the principle of equivalence. This would require some absolute reference. An ether? Maybe your alternative Paul? I vote in favour of alternative one. I have difficulties in imagine alternative 2. Anyone willing to do an experiment with a higly charged object and look for radiation (free energy) and forces in vertical direction? David -- David Jonsson Phone +46-18-24 51 52 Postgiro 499 40 54-7 Kantorsgatan 30:390 Cellular Phone +46-707-21 25 19 S-754 24 Uppsala E-mail: david@bahnhof.se Sweden Web http://bahnhof.se/~david/ From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Mar 21 23:54:39 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id XAA27866 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 21 Mar 1996 23:18:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout1.h1.usa.pipeline.com (data1.h1.usa.pipeline.com [38.8.56.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA27806 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 1996 23:18:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from pipe5.h1.usa.pipeline.com by mailout1.h1.usa.pipeline.com (8.6.9/2.1-PSINet/Pipeline) id HAA16663; Fri, 22 Mar 1996 07:17:09 GMT received: by pipe5 (5.0/SMI-5.4-PSI) id AA29105; Thu, 21 Mar 1996 23:13:40 -0500 date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 23:13:40 -0500 message-id: <9603220413.AA29105@pipe5> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com subject: Re: fnrg: Falling electrons From: mmcnair@usa.pipeline.com (Mike) Cc: returk@chattanooga.net x-pipeuser: mmcnair x-pipehub: usa.pipeline.com x-pipegcos: (Mike) x-mailer: Pipeline USA v3.4.0 Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Mar 22, 1996 02:02:19, 'david@bahnhof.se (David Jonsson)' wrote: >Assume an electron falling...from outer space. Ok. Brief intro: lurker, fascinated by the mutual interests, but ignorant. Please excuse the ignorance of my questions, and bless me with your patience -- I have come here to understand. An electron falling does not fall without cause. The assumption that is is "falling" (that it has direction) and doing so in a vacuum, are the only facts relating to the assumption. Is this right? It is accelerating relative the surface of the earth. Accelerating according to what measure of acceleration? If it is in a vacuum, has not reached earth and is unknown to observations made from earth, then what is the measure of acceleration? Does the intial assumption include that "we" are also in the vacuum, away from earth at the moment of the electron, taking measure as the electron is accelerated toward the earth? If that is true, then by what measure do we make apart from earth's measurements to determine the acceleration that we witness? > Does the electron radiate away energy or is the electron in a non-radiating inertial rest-frame? Do all electrons behave consistent in all vacuums possible in all universes? >Consider the two alternatives. (snipped) There must be other alternatives once the assumption is made that the electron is heading toward earth, as opposed to being measured from earth? >Anyone willing to do an experiment with a higly charged object and look for radiation (free energy) and forces in vertical direction? I have absolutely miniscule knowledge of physics, but I would scrutinize part of the above statement: If an electron is in a vacuum, it can only be assumed that it is "heading toward earth" unless it has already arrived (it cannot be measured in a linear fashion), thus, an electron has no direction specific unless you are in the vacuum taking a linear measure. Ok. So help me understand. Thanks. I enjoy this list. Mike McNair mmcnair@usa.pipeline.com ...*..bork......*.....bork..*..*....bork..... From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Mar 22 00:00:51 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id XAA28223 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 21 Mar 1996 23:21:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA28197 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 1996 23:20:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from [203.1.75.106] (ppp6.ipswich.gil.com.au [203.1.75.106]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.11 ) with SMTP id SAA12477 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 1996 18:19:37 +1000 X-Sender: realtime@mail.peg.apc.org (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 17:22:28 +1000 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: realtime@peg.apc.org (Philip Braham) Subject: fnrg: Rodin coils Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Does anyone know more about the Rodin coil? There is an article in the Apr/May Nexus Magazine about them. Regards, Phil Braham http://www.peg.apc.org/~exclusive From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Mar 22 02:09:43 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id AAA12253 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 22 Mar 1996 00:42:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA12223 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 1996 00:42:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.5) id AAA05766; Fri, 22 Mar 1996 00:41:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 00:41:56 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: International conference St.-Petersburg, June 17 - 22, 1996 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --- FORWARDED --- Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 00:25:51 +1000 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: exclusive@peg.apc.org (Philip Braham) Subject: Re: fnrg: International conference St.-Petersburg, June 17 - 22, 1996 >New Ideas in Natural Sciences >International conference >St.-Petersburg, June 17 - 22, 1996 Do you know if the procedings will be available on CD ROM or other transcript? Regards, Phil Braham http://www.peg.apc.org/~exclusive From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Mar 22 10:38:05 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id HAA05520 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 22 Mar 1996 07:02:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from student.utwente.nl (driene.student.utwente.nl [130.89.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA05414 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 1996 07:01:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from slp10048.slip.utwente.nl by student.utwente.nl with SMTP id AA25118 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 22 Mar 1996 16:01:16 +0100 Message-Id: <199603221501.AA25118@student.utwente.nl> X-Sender: S9421793@mail.student.utwente.nl X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3b4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 16:00:35 +0100 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: T.L.G.vanderLinden@student.utwente.nl (Timothy van der Linden) Subject: Re: fnrg: Falling electrons Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: To David, >This is a "Gedankenexperiment" a la Einstein. > >Assume an electron falling toward the earth from outer space. It is >accelerating relative the surface of the earth. Does the electron radiate >away energy or is the electron in a non-radiating inertial rest-frame? > >Consider the two alternatives. > >1. In a rest frame and not radiating. This means that that another electron >in rest relative the surface is "accelerating" and thus radiating. Where >does the energy come from in this case? >(The Searl and the Biefield-Brown experiments supports this case.) I don't understand why you speak of a restframe of an accelerating object, the accelerating object always "knows" that it is accelerating, since one does not need a external reference point for that. (This in contrast to measuring the velocity) So, for the object there isn't a rest-frame. >2. Accelerating and radiating. Assume this electron to be inside a sealed >spaceship. The electron would fall slower than the ship. Not in compliance >with the principle of equivalence. This would require some absolute >reference. An ether? Maybe your alternative Paul? These aren't equivalent situations, one is a charged mass, the other isn't. It is perfectly normal that the electron accelerates less, because there is besides the gravitational phenomenon, also an electrical phenomenon. >I vote in favour of alternative one. I have difficulties in imagine >alternative 2. But why seek so deep, the electron is accelerated by Earth's gravitation, so that's where the energy comes from. (If this is completely kinetic energy or partly radiative energy doesn't matter) Timothy van der Linden From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Mar 24 07:15:54 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id GAA01353 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 06:43:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns2.indirect.com (root@ns2.indirect.com [165.247.1.17]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA01320 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 06:43:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from [165.247.24.22] (s22.phxslip4.indirect.com [165.247.24.22]) by ns2.indirect.com (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA07186 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 07:43:18 -0700 Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 07:43:18 -0700 Message-Id: <199603241443.HAA07186@ns2.indirect.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Reed Huish Subject: fnrg: Symposium To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.10.06.22 Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: INTERNATIONAL SYMPOSIUM ON CONSCIOUSNESS, NEW MEDICINE, & NEW ENERGY TOKYO, JAPAN NOVEMBER 21, 22 1996 Dr. Shiuji Inomata has announced a symposium to present research results and to discuss issues in broad areas such as consciousness phenomena, holistic medicine, integration of Western and Eastern medicine, and new energy technology. Paramahamsa Tewari has been chosen as the key note speaker for the New Energy Section of the symposium. The symposium is being organized by the Japan Green Cross Society. The overseas advisory board consists of W. Harman (USA), Dr. David Lorimer (UK), and Dr. Beverly Rubick (USA). The domestic Advisory Board consists of Mr. Yukio-Funai, President, the Funai Consulting C. Ltd., and Mr. Yukio Hashimoto, President Natural Group Co, LTD. The Participation Fee is Yen 20.000 (Yen 105 = $1) or approximately $190 US. Contact Mr. Tetsu Nagano, Japan Green Cross Society, 2F KAMON Building, 2-7-14 Hamatsu-cho, Minato-ku Tokyo 105 Japan Tel. +81(0)3-3437-2218, Fax +81(0)3437-2808 or +81(0)3-3437-2624 for further information. The official languages are Japanese and English, and simultaneous translation will be provided. The conference site is at Yomiuri Hall in the center of Tokyo. Yomiuri Hall is located at 1-11-1 Yuraku-cho, Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo, and seats 1100. (Tel +81 (0) 3-3231-0551 fax +81(0) 3-3231) The next organizing meeting committee is scheduled on April 18th, in Tokyo. The detailed structure of the conference will be decided at the meeting. Six keynote speakers will be invited from overseas. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Mar 31 22:52:06 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id RAA08017 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 17:40:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail1.best.com (mail1.best.com [206.86.8.14]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA07911 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 17:39:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from [205.149.162.154] (bailey.vip.best.com [205.149.162.154]) by mail1.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA07609 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 17:14:07 -0800 Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 17:14:07 -0800 X-Sender: bailey@best.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: fnrg: The Cold Fusion Technology Homepage Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: http://www.mit.edu/people/rei/CFdir/CFhome.html The Cold Fusion Technology Homepage News and articles from the frontier of new energy technology! Cold fusion is alive and well in respected laboratories across the world. See what the newest research is yielding, and learn the intriguing possibilities of what the future might hold. ``It is difficult to imagine a more profound reversal of scientific fortunes than what has been emerging in the "cold fusion" field. One of the most disputed anomalies in the history of science is inexorably heading toward acceptance by the scientific community.'' -- Dr. Eugene Mallove Breaking news: 1 kilowatt cold fusion reactor demonstrated. (12/95) Dec. 1995 announcement Authorized extraction of reference/news material from the *precursor* of the new Cold Fusion/New Energy Technology magazine. There is a lot of new info here! Cold Fusion Resource Guide/FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) Answers to common questions. ``This lecture is titled "Cold fusion: What it does," because I do not know what cold fusion is.'' ---Jed Rothwell. (But he knows what it does!) Mailing List request form. For printing out and filling in. Basic information resources. Cold Fusion Technology videos available. Announcing the new Cold Fusion Technology magazine! "Cold Fusion Primer" Excerpted from the old Cold Fusion magazine. More things you may not have known! Table of contents listings for: Vol 1. No 1 Vol 1. No 2 Vol 1. No 3 Vol 1. No 4 Other links to related information, contributed by other enthusiasts! Material excerpted with permission from: Cold Fusion Technology P.O. Box 2816 Concord, NH 03302-2816 Phone: 603-228-4516 Fax: 603-224-5975 INTERNET:76570.2270@compuserve.com Contact Eugene F. Mallove, Sc.D. Send a comment to Dr. Mallove. 76570.2270@compuserve.com I am not being paid by "Cold Fusion Technology" magazine to maintain this page. I also do not necessarily agree with or condone material presented in the magazine. Opinions stated in this homepage also may not represent those of the writers and editors of "Cold Fusion Technology" magazine. Furthermore, material presented here does not represent MIT or MIT SIPB in any way. rei@mit.edu From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Mar 31 23:06:56 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id RAA06760 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 17:33:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail1.best.com (mail1.best.com [206.86.8.14]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA06664 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 17:32:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from [205.149.162.154] (bailey.vip.best.com [205.149.162.154]) by mail1.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA07683 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 17:16:41 -0800 Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 17:16:41 -0800 X-Sender: bailey@best.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: fnrg: New Ideas in Natural Sciences - Some Abstracts Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Some Selected Paper Abstracts Of YA-HOO! Interest from the coming: New Ideas in Natural Sciences International Conference St.-Petersburg, June 17 - 22, 1996 For further details, see: www.padrak.com/ine/NEWIDEAS96.html So, now "Open Your Mind", a-la the movie "Total Recall", and check these out: 4. Josef Hasslberger ------------------------- Tetra Space Co-ordinates. ------------------------- ( A tetrahedron-based system of space co-ordinates ) The Cartesian co-ordinate system, based on three axes in 90-degree-co- ordination is almost universally accepted as the system of choice for description of location in space. In the description of natural structures, Cartesian co-ordinates are not optimum, often leading to awkward results. In the description of all-space, the Cartesian co-ordinates need to be doubled, resulting in six axes instead of three. Buckminster Fuller has proposed an alternative geometry in his work "Synergetics". Based on Fullers work, the author proposes a coordinate system of four axes, co-ordinated in 120-degree angles which, combined with a color coding system of four colors (CMYK) allows instant identification of direction with reference to only three out of a total of four axes. It is proposed that such a system of co-ordinates will be useful not only for navigation in space but for a number of other applications including crystal-based electronic information storage. 10. Safonov I.A. ------------------------------------------------- On the Correctness of Law of Energy Conservation. ------------------------------------------------- The Coriolis's formulation is considered from original critical position. Demonstrated its non-conforming to the law of conservation and to the second Newton law. Are described some examples where it is not correct to follow along law of conservation. In common sense, the report of author is directed to substantiation of the possibility to avoid the law of conservation of energy. Author develop several conceptions for clear energetics: utilization of energy of gravitation field or field of permanent magnets, closed system using easy- boiling liquids, superconductors. 13. Klyushin Y.G. ----------------------------------- On the Maxwell Approach to Gravity. ----------------------------------- A variational problem was proposed in this report which author called "Logarithm principle". This principle gives a possibility to write out the equations of the field of gravity which are investigated. These equations are partly similar to that of Maxwell for electric field. They imply three facts now considered as experimental proof of general relativity theory, that is: rotation of planets' perihelia, gravitational red shift, and ray deviation in the Sun field. In addition they give a uniform explanation of some facts which now are explained ad hoc or are not explained at all. They are: Phobos falling on Mars, the differential rotation of the Sun and gasoliquid planets, the proximity of natural satellites' orbits to equatorial plane of the central body, the Earth's continental drifts, the observed type of atmosphere and ocean currents, the source of energy for Earth's magnetic field, etc. The physical and mathematical meaning of Bohr's orbits of electrons in atoms, the dynamics of the solar system development becomes more clear. One can surely assert that the field we now call nuclear is at least partially gravitational. Book "On the Maxwell Approach to Gravity", 44 pages, is published in English and in Russian. 17. Mishin A.M., Asafiev Str. -------------------------------------------------------------- The Phenomenological Model of Ether as Result of New Empirical Conception. Experimental Results. -------------------------------------------------------------- Many riddles of Universe can be solved by means of new in principle method for experimental research. There was created laboratory system (physical device) that is imitating biosystems in Ether perception aspect. It is technical system that have artificial biofield. The device have reaction on flows, "temperature" and polarization of Ether. By means of device is possible to make the registration of signals from Sun and Moon, ether's wind that is creating in strength of the movement of Earth, Sun and Galaxy. The obtained results are the base for qualitative concept of Ether that have spatial vortex for states from nano to mega scales and which have the variety for topology. The materiality of vortex structures are dispersed on space axis of quantum states spectrum, is naturally transform in note for "parallel worlds". Some investigated properties of Ether allow to suppose the existence of nature law that repeatable demonstrate the violation of principle of relativity in limits of classical physics and to prove it experimentally (it is not connected with artificial biofield). 22. Groshev V.L. ------------------------------ A New Theory of Unified Field. ------------------------------ In this report the basic concept and contains of the new theory of unified physical field are briefly described. Also it is theory for physical sinergetics that is described in papers of I.Prigojin, G. Nikolis, G.Hakanen. Mathematical basis of theory of unified physical field is two systems of equations: one for field and one for matter, that is validated in detail using equations of unified physical field for inertial fields, for gravitational and anitigravitational fields, and for processes of origination of elementary particles. Physical nature, structure of fields and elementary particles are stated. Some principal physical and universal scientific consequences of unified physical fields as well as basic directions of application of potential fields of gravitational type in modern technologies are discussed also. Main conclusion of this theory is possibility for self-supporting process of creating pairs of elementary particles form vacuum, so call "creatonic reaction" that have place compact plasma objects like ball lightning. Some methods for transformation and transmission of energy is proposed. For example: the method to get the electroenergy from ionosphere in amount that is more that net energy of all modern power stations of planet; methods for creating, collecting and focusing of superpowerful radiation. 11. Frolov A.V. ------------------------------------------------------ The Application of Potential Field to Create the Work. (Permanent magnets motor-generator and self-generating electric discharge system are for demonstration) ------------------------------------------------------ The experiments of N.Tesla and other to extract the power in point of maximum amplitude of standing wave that is created in single-wire line, are considering. The research work of T.E.Bearden is discussed to substantiate the possibility for making of useful work in power load by means of source of potentials difference and without of decreasing of this difference in process of work. Example of permanent magnets motor will demonstrating to show the principle for utilization of two opposite processes to take power from field of permanent magnets. Some simple but important formulation is discussed: To create zero-state is possible to join two or more processes: A + B = 0 or A + B + C + ... + N = 0 To create power from zero-state of power ( by means of potential only) it is necessary to create two or more opposite processes: 0 = A + B or 0 = A + B + C + ... + N The anomalous great output of power in electrolysis process that have place in high pressure electrolyte ( D.A. Latchinov 1888, Russia) and self-cooling of electrolytic cell is explained. The analogy between machinery of cold fusion excess power output and process above is showed for causes when there are no any neutrons output. The conception for electric discharges ( arc ) in vacuum is offered for consideration. Arc is considered as polarization and electrolytic separation of non-structured space into component electrical charged elements, that is in accordance with experiments of Alexander V. Chernetsky and other authors on self-generating electrical discharge. The circuit will demonstrated producing additional power output in load (lamps) by means of "arc discharge" that is connected in serial with the load. Ordinary electromagnetic transformer is used for demonstration of this Chernetsky's effect. The conclusion was made about possibility to use the potential fields ( electrical, gravitational) and vortex magnetic field to make the useful work without consumption of power from source of field. According to generalized Conservation Law for Energy in this case the process of creation of power ( work per unit of time ) is compensated by process of creation of negative power ( work per unit of reverse-time ). The applied aspects for technology of reverse-time are considered also. 6. Shukalov K.D. --------------------------------------------------------- The Active movement: Conception and experimental results. Demonstration of electromagnetic propulsion force. --------------------------------------------------------- Some methods are tested experimentally to create to Reactionless propulsion force by means of "active movement". By author, "active" type of movement is something different from movement in common sense. The devices can demonstrate the change of weight and movement in any direction by means of inner active forces. There are several conceptions for design: pulsed magnetic fields, rotating de-balanced solenoids to create axis force, two-disks system. Most perspective device is based on known Lorentz force in magnet field. System demonstrated most powerful propulsion force. 11. Hideo Hayasaka, Haruo Tanaka, Toshiyuki Hashida, and Tokushi Chubachi ------------------------------------------------------ Possibility for the Existence of Anti-Gravity and the Complete Parity Breaking of Gravity; Evidence from Free-Fall Experiment of a Spinning Gyro. ------------------------------------------------------ Free-fall experiment of a spinning gyro enclosed in a capsule has been conducted in order to investigate the effect of an object's spinning on the fall-acceleration. For ten runs of the fall-acceleration measurements, in which each run consists of the left, right and zero spinnings about the vertical axis, it has been shown that the mean value of the right- spinning is significantly smaller than of the left-spinning at 18,000 rpm, with the latter being almost identical with of zero spinning. The result suggests that the right-spinning generates anti-gravity, and also that the parity (the reflection symmetry) of gravity breaks down completely. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Mar 25 00:27:33 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id AAA29657 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 00:01:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (root@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA29605 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 00:00:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.5) id VAA10011; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 21:02:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 21:02:17 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Is freenrg-list alive? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: eskimo.com has been down on and off for the last week. As a result, freenrg-list has been bouncing messages. Sprint has apparantly fixed the problem, so we'll see how it goes now. Bob Shannon's scalar detector article is MOSTLY done and can be found on weird science page, under NOT YOUR AVERAGE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT. There's still one more schematic to go (though it IS at the end of the article in almost-readable form) ..............................freenrg-list................................ William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd Moderator: FREENRG-LIST VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Mar 25 05:55:24 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id FAA01507 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 05:14:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay1.UU.NET (relay1.UU.NET [192.48.96.5]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id FAA01481 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 05:14:12 -0800 (PST) From: FLORESI1@westatpo.westat.com Received: from alterdial.UU.NET by relay1.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaioi24642; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 08:11:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from westatpo.westat.com by alterdial.UU.NET with SMTP id QQaioi26954; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 08:11:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from cc:Mail by westatpo.westat.com id AA827770361; Mon, 25 Mar 96 08:08:07 EDT Date: Mon, 25 Mar 96 08:08:07 EDT Encoding: 37 Text Message-Id: <9602258277.AA827770361@westatpo.westat.com> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Is freenrg-list alive? Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: GREAT! Thanks Bob! and thanks Bill! Any word about suppliers of the special material needed it to construct it? hmmm, I guess I should go and visit the page... Ismael Flores floresi@westat.com ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: fnrg: Is freenrg-list alive? Author: freenrg-list@eskimo.com at internet-e-mail Date: 03/25/96 07:57 AM eskimo.com has been down on and off for the last week. As a result, freenrg-list has been bouncing messages. Sprint has apparantly fixed the problem, so we'll see how it goes now. Bob Shannon's scalar detector article is MOSTLY done and can be found on weird science page, under NOT YOUR AVERAGE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT. There's still one more schematic to go (though it IS at the end of the article in almost-readable form) ..............................freenrg-list................................ William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd Moderator: FREENRG-LIST VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Mar 25 23:09:58 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id WAA09694 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 22:27:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from eagle.uis.edu (eagle.uis.edu [192.102.230.251]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA09664 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 22:27:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by eagle.uis.edu (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA176901766; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 00:29:26 -0600 From: Jim Logue Message-Id: <199603260629.AA176901766@eagle.uis.edu> Subject: fnrg: Rodin Coils Info To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 00:29:26 -0800 (CST) Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi All, A person was inquiring last week about how to find info on Rodin Coils as mentioned in Nexus Mag. The zeta KeelyNet clone database has keyword searable search engine which searches only the areas of fringe or wierd science or free energy. That would be one of my best guesses as to where info could be found. The addresss goes something like this and I'll try to copy it correctly. http://zeta.cs.adfa.oz.au/keelynet/ I once had a little hard time finding that engine but its out and its great! Jim Logue From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Mar 31 23:46:24 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA23653 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 10:23:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.bbtt.com (ns.bbtt.com [194.77.35.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA23110 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 10:18:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (harti.bbtt.com [194.77.35.75]) by ns.bbtt.com (8.6.9/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA21072 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 19:15:56 +0100 Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 19:15:56 +0100 Message-Id: <199603261815.TAA21072@ns.bbtt.com> X-Sender: harti@bbtt.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: harti@bbtt.de (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: fnrg: STATEMENT FROM JOSEPH NEWMAN REGARDING HIS PIONEERING ENERGY INVENTION Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >X-POP3-Rcpt: harti@ns >Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 14:15:52 -0800 >To: Stewardo@msn.com >From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) >Subject: STATEMENT FROM JOSEPH NEWMAN REGARDING HIS PIONEERING ENERGY INVENTION > >STATEMENT FROM JOSEPH NEWMAN REGARDING HIS PIONEERING ENERGY INVENTION > >An internationally-recognized scientific journal (The Journal of Applied >Physics, June 1, 1995, Vol. 77, No. 11, pgs. 6015-6020) and the United >States Patent Office have, through their actions, proven that my life's >work is correct! > >The article from The Journal of Applied Physics is entitled "Increased >Voltage Phenomena in a Resonance Circuit of Unconventional Magnetic >Configurations." The article describes that, by taking a charged capacitor >and putting electricity into coils of wire with a ferromagnetic core >between them, results in: "AN INCREASE IN THE AVERAGE CURRENT AND RECHARGE >VOLTAGE" (Emphasis added.) > >This article specifically states that prior knowledge would predict: "It >is expected that the total recharge VOLTAGE will DECREASE because this >system produces mechanical output as the core moves." (Emphasis added.) > >This is EXACTLY what I have been stating in my Patent Applications (since >1979), in my book, The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman (published in 1984), >on the Internet as well as on hundreds of radio talk shows, TV shows, and >in thousands of newspapers/magazines across the world for the past 15 >years. > >If you doubt me, then read the above-described article for yourself and you >will see that it proves EVERYTHING I have been saying and writing for >years! > >Additionally, the article from The Journal of Applied Physics describes >their results as "increased voltage PHENOMENON," which means they don't >understand it! And totally contrary to their lack of understanding on this >subject, I have provided for many years a consistent Mechanical Explanation >of the energy of magnetic fields: > >"Gyroscopic Particles making up the magnetic fields coming from the ATOMS >of the coil or coils and magnetic core are the MECHANICAL ESSENCE OF >EINSTEIN'S EQUATION OF E=mc(squared)." > >Within two months of the date of publication (June 1, 1995) of the >above-described article, U.S. Patent 5,436,518 was granted to Terou Kawai >of Japan and assigned to Nihon Riken Co., Ltd. and Terou Kawai, both of >Japan; the patent describes an electrical motor with wire and magnets >having 318% mechanical output/electrical input. This technology is exactly >what I have taught in my book, published in 1984, and as taught in my U.S. >Patent Application since 1979 which is still actively pending via >additional improvements. > >FACT: Based upon the United States Patent Office's treatment afforded me, >the Japanese patent office turned down my Patent Application since they >rejected my 1979 claims of "greater external energy out than external >energy in." Yet, United States Patent 5,436,518 in paragraph 5 of column 8 >specifically states 19.55 watts in and 62.16 watts OUT! [Note: By their >actions, the United States government is criminally providing false credit >for my life's work to the national of a foreign country, while I have been >a citizen of the United States from birth. > >During the mid-1980's, several members of the Japanese news media visited >my home, filmed the demonstrations of my technology in Jackson, Mississippi >and in the New Orleans Superdome. They also purchased copies of my book >and aired films and articles about my revolutionary work in the Japanese >media. > >FACT: Japan is noted for stealing inventions from other countries. > >The good thing about the above-described facts is that they PROVE THAT I >HAVE A PIONEERING INVENTION! This is especially true in light of the fact >that I have had over 30 scientific people submit Affidavits that my >invention worked, plus the Special Master (and former U.S. Commissioner of >the Patent Office with "superb credentials" according to a Federal Judge) >--- Mr. William Schuyler, Jr. --- who stated that the evidence was >"OVERWHELMING" that my energy invention worked! > >For years I have said that there is a conspiracy against my life's work by >the government of the United States. I could not absolutely prove this >fact until information I have received in the last several weeks. > >The U. S. Patent Office has already admitted in Federal Court "that if my >(revolutionary) invention worked, then I was entitled to a Pioneering >Patent." > >The Supreme Court has, on several occasions, stated that the Breadth of a >Pioneering Invention, "From the widest to the narrowest interpretation, the >claims will be upheld in the language of the applicant." See page 259 of >my book to verify that in Federal Court, Mr. William Schuyler, Jr., Special >Master for the Court and nominated to this position by the U. S. Patent >Office stated: "EVIDENCE BEFORE THE PATENT AND TRADEMARK OFFICE AND THIS >COURT IS OVERWHELMING THAT NEWMAN HAS BUILT AND TESTED A PROTOTYPE OF HIS >INVENTION IN WHICH THE OUTPUT ENERGY EXCEEDS THE EXTERNAL INPUT ENERGY: >THERE IS NO CONTRADICTORY FACTUAL EVIDENCE." > >This statement by the Special Master is additional Factual Proof that I had >a Pioneering Invention! The Patent Office fought atrociously and >criminally to prevent me from being successful. The facts are so indicated >on pages 258 through 279, 306 through 328, 333 through 344, and 412 through >442 of my book (The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman). > >My statement relating to a conspiracy is further verified by an article >(April/May/June 1995 Issue) written in Extraordinary Science by Wayne Green >which reports a conspiracy of the United States government against any new >energy technology which, it turns out, is related to and/or derivative of >my work: > >"AS A RESULT OF POLITICAL PRESSURES IN THE UNITED STATES, THE DEPARTMENT OF >ENERGY HAS RULED THAT ANY RESEARCH FACILITY THAT PERMITS ANYONE TO >EXPERIMENT WITH COLD FUSION WILL BE REFUSED ALL FURTHER GOVERNMENT RESEARCH >FUNDS FOR ANY PROJECT." > >This also explains why I have never had ONE SINGLE COLLEGE OF THE UNITED >STATES come forward to test my invention. And the article goes on to >report how Dr. Eugene Mallove --- who had been the chief technical writer >for M.I.T., RESIGNED from his position and formed Cold Fusion Magazine >"because of the slander perpetrated on P & F." > >And, as I wrote above, more than 30 scientific individuals visited my home, >tested my energy invention and signed Affidavits that it worked.....and the >Special Master of the Federal Court gave them the credit they were and ARE >DUE when he wrote in his Report that the evidence was "OVERWHELMING" that >my invention worked. > >In fact, when Dr. Roger Hastings --- at that time a Principal Physicist for >the Sperry Univac Corporation (now Unisys) --- was asked by a news >correspondent the following: "Why would you put your reputation on the line >for something that will sound ridiculous to his listeners" . . . Dr. >Hastings honorably and courageously responded: "When you have seen from >experiments MORE ENERGY coming OUT of an invention than was PUT IN then, if >you have any conscience at all, YOU CAN'T WALK AWAY FROM IT." > >To you, the reader of this Statement who possesses the same Scientific >Honesty demonstrated by Dr. Hastings: it is to you that I write this >statement. > >To you who has blindly and cowardly responded negatively to my life's work: >Consider the fact that you will be remembered in history with the same >contempt (by the beneficiaries of my life's work) in the future as we NOW >feel about negatively-minded people of the past who spoke against Galileo >and refused to even look through his telescope and see that the Earth was >NOT THE CENTER OF THE UNIVERSE. > >Ponder the fact that those so-called, scientific people who blindly and >negatively spoke against Galileo were in part responsible for Galileo being >threatened with torture and death if he did not repudiate his own views. >Likewise, the negativists of the present have been instrumental in serving >the evil desires of politically powerful people who do not want my life's >work to succeed. > >QUESTION: Do you wish to be remembered as that type of person? If not, >change --- examine the facts honestly and objectively. > >FACT: A battery, like a capacitor, will receive current until either >reaches the same voltage of the charger. Accordingly, one knows this by >simply watching the VOLTAGE of the battery or capacitor whether either is >being CHARGED or DISCHARGED at any moment in time. The research article >published by the American Institute of Physics so verifies my life's work >and further proves that all test results that I have specifically published >are accurate, especially the challenge I have issued: > >The challenge is now settled in NO uncertain terms by the research article >from the Journal of Applied Physics. This article clearly verifies my >Motor/Generator with a 120 lb magnetic rotor and a 42-inch, iron, 6-bladed >fan load would most definitely, by prior knowledge, be expected that the >battery voltage would FALL. > >However, exactly as the Journal of Applied Physics article states about the >described capacitor: the BATTERY VOLTAGE RISES! The exact mechanical >explanation of these results is explained in great detail in my book as >originally published in 1984. > >Also: everyone who wishes to understand the truth can obtain the 1 hour, 45 >minute VHS tape which shows the history of my life's work and how you can >easily build a simple, repeatable demonstration to show others this same >truth and that its results explain the American Institute of Physics >article. > >If you wish to know in greater detail about my life's work which presents >ONE Mechanical Explanation (of Gyroscopic Particle interaction) which in >turn explains many previously UNEXPLAINED facts and observations of science >--- you can obtain the 7th Edition of my 470-page book, The Energy Machine >of Joseph Newman. > >Other credible scientists who have studied my work have said: > >"The future of the human race may be dramatically uplifted by the >large-scale, commercial development of this invention." >-- Dr. Roger Hastings, Principal Physicist, UNISYS CORPORATION > >"If the manner in which Joseph Newman conducted his experiments and the >results were made known to the industrial or engineering community then, in >my opinion, several companies and/or individuals possess the expertise and >capabilities to construct the hardware required to fully exploit the >apparent capability of his new concepts." >-- Dr. Robert E. Smith >Chief, Orbital and Space Environment Branch, George C. Marshall Space >Flight Center, NASA > >"You have opened an area in Astrophysics which may revolutionize the >magnetic energy problems which is now the most paramount problem in future >energy and space travel. I do believe with proper research funds, the >results would not only be a great financial boom to your financiers, but >would lead to developments that will be practical and beneficial to all >mankind and develop a new step in science." >-- Dr. E. L. Moragne, MORAGNE RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT CO. >[Dr. Moragne was an electromagnetic pioneer in the development of the first >atomic bomb.] > >And the President of an International Corporation recently wrote to me the >following: "Dear Mr. Newman, I received your book on energy and I find it >fascinating." > >QUESTION: Are you the reader willing to so credibly and honestly react to >my life's work for humanity? > >To all those individuals who have been diligently so doing over many years >--- to them I owe a deep thanks and respect, and so does the reader. > >Joseph Westley Newman >Route 1, Box 52, Lucedale, MS 39452 >(601) 947-7147 >email: josephnewman@earthlink.net > > > > -- Hartmann Multimedia Service _Buy our Internet MPEG CD-ROM ! Visit the WEB_ Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann _site below !_ Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30 344 23 66 FAX: ++ 49 30 344 92 79 email: harti@ddd.snafu.de harti@bbtt.de Web site: http://www.bbtt.com/harti/harti.html From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Mar 31 23:50:42 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA26566 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 10:38:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from powergrid.electriciti.com (electriciti.com [198.5.212.8]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA26538 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 10:37:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from 198.5.212.149 by powergrid.electriciti.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0u20Ed-000HHlC; Wed, 27 Mar 96 10:46 PST Message-ID: <31591904.4850@introtech.com> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 10:31:32 +0000 From: Henry Eisenson Organization: Introtech X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Fire and bubbles References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: If you'd like a "solid" to fall UP, try AEROGEL There are closed-cell varieties (I've been told), which means that if they were filled with hydrogen -- which is easy to generate in a kitchen lab -- rather than air.... who knows? One of the aerogel derivatives is planned for a NASA mission because its volume is enormous compared to its mass, yet the stuff is rigid and (reasonably) strong. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Apr 1 00:28:45 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id JAA14408 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 09:39:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay1.UU.NET (relay1.UU.NET [192.48.96.5]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA14141 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 09:38:35 -0800 (PST) From: FLORESI1@westatpo.westat.com Received: from alterdial.UU.NET by relay1.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaiwk08255; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 12:35:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from westatpo.westat.com by alterdial.UU.NET with SMTP id QQaiwk18419; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 12:35:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from cc:Mail by westatpo.westat.com id AA827958997; Wed, 27 Mar 96 12:34:55 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Mar 96 12:34:55 EDT Encoding: 12 Text Message-Id: <9602278279.AA827958997@westatpo.westat.com> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: scalars again Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi there, I'm going to start to build the scalar generator found in Bill's page. Any ideas about which materials I can use to shield electromagnetic waves and just let the scalar go through? Some messages back suggested steel for the electric effect and some material to shield the magnetic effect (copper?, aluminum?) any ideas? Thank you for your attention Ismael Flores floresi1@westat.com From Skronk@gnn.com Wed Mar 27 20:35:41 1996 Received: from mail-e2b-service.gnn.com (mail-e2b-service.gnn.com [204.148.102.170]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA01173 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 20:35:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from www-16-83.gnn.com. (www-16-83.gnn.com [205.188.16.83]) by mail-e2b-service.gnn.com (8.7.1/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA30667 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 23:33:37 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199603280433.XAA30667@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com> X-Mailer: GNNmessenger 1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 23:33:30 From: Paul Lamb To: bilb@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Fire and bubbles Status: RO X-Status: Interesting experiment. First, is the stove you used burning natural gas? If so, then it was most likely of standardized specifications (specific gravity= .64, slightly lighter than air, and about 1000 BTU's / cubic foot). Propane and other manufactured gases are usually slightly heavier than air, (sp.gr. around 1.16 or so, and for this reason, I would recommend caution in where you conduct your experiments. If, in liberation, the gas was allowed to concentrate, near the floor, it might go unnoticed by your sense of smell until it was too late. Your nose is closer to the ceiling. I would definitely not attempt this with hydrogen or acetylene. Natural gas reaches explosive concentration at 10% in air. Propane is a bit richer in the air at explosive levels. Hydrogen and acetylene, burn so rapidly that it might as well be considered an explosion. I wonder what would happen if the bubbles were made with noble gas mixtures like in plasma globes and hit with high voltage? Paul ---If we can put a man on the moon, Why not send Newt Gingrich? >X-State: 3 >X-Total-length: 3414 >Received: from mail.eskimo.com (mail.eskimo.com > [204.122.16.4]) by mail-e2a-service.gnn.com (8.7.1/8.6.9) > with ESMTP id LAA25052; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 11:26:59 -0500 > (EST) >Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com > (8.7.3/8.6.12) id GAA08587 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, > 27 Mar 1996 06:50:30 -0800 (PST) >Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) > by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id GAA08459 > for ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 > 06:49:11 -0800 (PST) >Received: from localhost by eskimo.com (8.7.5) id GAA21561; > Wed, 27 Mar 1996 06:49:02 -0800 (PST) >X-UIDL: 827986436.001 >Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 06:49:01 -0800 (PST) >From: William Beaty >To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com >Subject: fnrg: Fire and bubbles >Message-ID: > >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >Sender: owner-freenrg-list@eskimo.com >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com > >"Blinkout" foam > >I was puttering around the apartment in 1982 and thinking > about helium >soap bubbles which rise. Then it hit me: Helium Styrofoam! > Blocks of >solid matter which fall UP! Like Rocky and Bullwinkle's > "upsi-daisium" >mineral. But how to make it yourself? > >As a test I considered putting an aquarium airstone in a pan > of soapy >water and making helium suds. I lacked a helium bottle, but > then I >realized that my gas stove might supply lighter-than-air gas > right at that >moment, so I grabbed an airstone and some tubing out of my > junk >collection, ran it to the stove and to a sink full of soapy > water, and >produced a small blob of flammable foam. Did it rise? No. > Rochester NY >stove gas is only slightly lighter than air, nothing at all > like helium. >How flammable was it? It was small, so I lit it with a > lighter, and THE >ENTIRE FOAM BLOB SILENTLY DISSAPPEARED IN AN EYEBLINK! > >Cool. Not the slightest tiny bubble was left. The water in > the soapfilms >must boil during the combustion, and the bubbles have little > oxygen >initially. One or the other of these slows the flame front > enough that no >shockwave or explosive sound is produced. I then made a > blob of dangerous >suds about a gallon in volume, and sure enough, when touched > off with a >lighter, the entire mass winks out of existance with a soft > "puff" sound. >Hey, if a complex 3D sculpture was made from gas-filled, > long lasting >gelatine-based foam, when exposed to a combustion source it > would blink >out of existance like a Star Trek effect! > >Not everyone has a gas stove, so I got out the propane torch > to make some >flammable foam with an alternative gas source. Ooops. When > lit it >produced five foot leaping orange flames until the foam > burns away. Acts >less like foam and more like gasoline. Darn. I guess stove > gas is >required. I haven't tried hydrogen or acetylene, so I don't > know if the >will provide non-explosive foam or not. Now that I'm > writing this, I >realized that I never got around to making helium foam! > > >..............................freenrg-list................... >............. >William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com > EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd >Moderator: FREENRG-LIST VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L >http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html >Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 > > > From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Apr 1 00:51:12 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id OAA02276 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 14:12:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.nmaa.org (luckier.nmaa.org [204.91.49.10]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA02020 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 14:10:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from ppp34.nmaa.org ([204.91.49.34]) by mail.nmaa.org (post.office MTA v1.9.1 ID# 0-11620) with SMTP id AAA114 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 14:09:59 -0400 Message-ID: <3159E653.5F6A@nmaa.org> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 17:07:31 -0800 From: smb@nmaa.org (Steve Bugher) Organization: smb Associates X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Fire and bubbles References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Bill, Go get some helium ballons from the local mail. The metalized mylar ones will contain the gas better. The stuff they put in those baloons is a mix of air and helium, just enough to make the baloons float (for a while), if you have an Air Products or some other gas distributor nearby, I'm sure they can provide you with much more pure helium in a rental tank. -- *_____ _ _ ____ /Steve) / \/ \ |Buer) Steven M. Bugher 301 565-2203 P: 202 424-8635 \____ \ / /\ \ |---< 1717 Luzerne Ave. Silver Spring MD 20910-1510 (_____//__/ \__\|____) smb@nmaa.org http://www.nmaa.org/members/smb From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Mar 31 22:49:04 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id RAA09122 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 17:43:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from galaxy.connectek.com (connectek.com [206.34.188.30]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA09059 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 17:42:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from ppp-06.connectek.com ([206.34.188.106]) by galaxy.connectek.com with SMTP id <58903-143>; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 15:40:16 -0000 X-Sender: jclphys@connectek.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: "Joseph C. Lisiewski" Subject: Re: fnrg: Fire and bubbles Message-Id: <96Mar28.154016est.58903-143+55@galaxy.connectek.com> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 15:40:14 -0000 Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Bill: At 06:49 AM 3/27/96 -0800, you wrote: >"Blinkout" foam > >I was puttering around the apartment in 1982 and thinking about helium >soap bubbles which rise. Then it hit me: Helium Styrofoam! Blocks of >solid matter which fall UP! Like Rocky and Bullwinkle's "upsi-daisium" >mineral. But how to make it yourself? This is one of the BEST yet! Having a tough day Bill ? > >Not everyone has a gas stove, so I got out the propane torch to make some >flammable foam with an alternative gas source. Ooops. When lit it >produced five foot leaping orange flames until the foam burns away. Acts >less like foam and more like gasoline. Darn. I guess stove gas is >required. I haven't tried hydrogen or acetylene, so I don't know if the >will provide non-explosive foam or not. Now that I'm writing this, I >realized that I never got around to making helium foam! Lord, if you DO try H2 of acetylene, PLEASE handle the stuff carefully! It could up like the Hinderberg! When I was a kid, I was deep into AMATEUR Rocketry; not the "Model" Rocketry (safe) stuff. The day after my 16th birthday, I mixed a batch of, "Carmel Candy" solution: a mixture of Potassium Nitrate, sulfur, and sugar, MELTED TOGETHER, and then poured into the body (or fuel cell cavity) of the rocket. I did this in the garage. My mother called me, I ran out down to the house, and as I got there, the Carmel Candy exploded as it was cooling in the rocket cavity: it blew out all 6 garage windows, shreaded the front door, and took out 1/3 of the one garage wall! My father was LESS than happy about it (I can still FEEL his wrath...30 years later ), and so ended my career in Amateur Rocketry! That's why I say, "be careful". Sometimes the stability of a substance decrease exponentially when mixed with other substances, and well........you know the rest! J.C. Lisiewski < Proton Joe > jclphys@connecTek.com