From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Thu Aug 1 06:25:44 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA05102; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 06:20:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 06:20:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: Byrun_Fox@mindlink.bc.ca (Byrun Fox) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: plasma tube X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Someone wrote; >Hello. >I wanted to know where I could get a plasma tube. To which I respond; I can get you a variety of plasma tubes, do you mean the kind that we use to generate ozone, or a low pressure inert gas tube. They are quite different. Byrun Fox. > From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Thu Aug 1 10:42:09 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA27268; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 10:33:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 10:33:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3200E625.5210@pi.net> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: MvD To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: magnetic monopole fields X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Chris Morriss wrote: > > In message <31FD02FC.4107@pi.net>, MvD writes > >Hi all, > > > >So far, nobody has conclusive evidince for overunity in an N-mashine. If > > it is possible to move the rotor and the stator at the same time and > >still have a energy output, then this would be overunity. > > (deleted) > > > > > >Maarten > > > No No No! The case where the magnet and disc are locked together > appears to produce the same amount of electrical power as for the > conventional case. I believe that this is because the return flux > going around the outside of the disc/magnet combination is cutting > through the external (static) wiring that is completing the current > loop. > It does appear to give a torque reaction.I know an I agree, it's just not what I meant. I meant to glue the wire that carries the current from the edge of the disk, that is normaly !not! rotating, also on the magnetic disk. Of course, with a normal magnet, this does not produse any output voltage. But when the magnet is a monopole, only out- (or in-) going "fieldline's" will cut the rotating wire. I hope I'm clear enough this time. > > If you make a control experiment where the disc is of a much larger > diameter than the magnet, you don't get any power (or very little) > when the disc and magnet turn together. This is because the returning > flux is no passing through the outer part of the disc and generating > an opposite polarity EMF.Of course! Greetings -- ---------------------- Clacke's Law's of Prophesy FIRST LAW When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certain correct. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong. SECOND LAW The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible. THIRd LAW Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguisheble from magic. Dootingh@pi.net Utrecht The Netherlands From crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM Fri Aug 2 08:50:49 1996 Received: from claim.goldrush.com (root@goldrush.com [206.171.171.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA00582 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 08:50:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from AC-004.goldrush.com (AC-004.goldrush.com [206.171.171.104]) by claim.goldrush.com (8.7.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA08510 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 01:46:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 01:46:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608020846.BAA08510@claim.goldrush.com> X-Sender: crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: bilb@eskimo.com From: wesly crosiar Subject: freenrg-update Status: RO X-Status: Bill:When will the free energy and the lawnmower messages be updated? Thanks Wes From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Fri Aug 2 12:51:05 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA17932; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 12:37:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 12:37:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608021936.MAA07163@claim.goldrush.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: wesly crosiar To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: reply to richard austin X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Richard:I am replying here because I believe other people are interested in the hubbard/hendershot/morrey etc. devices. First: There are good descriptions of the hubbard device on the keely net. There are a few details missing [I believe],lets start with the center cylinder, the first thing to do is build a capacitor the height of the cylinder lets say 80 inches long, like hendershot did,lay it out and dope the back side with radium chloride, next, brush on parifin as a di-electric, melt it onto the cylinder with a blowdryer, next wind on the primary on the outside of the capacitor/cylinder then hook up the inner foil to one side of the primary and the outer foil to the other end of the primary, now wrap the secondary over the top of the primary. Second:Build the outer cylinders, build the handwound capacitors and wind them on the smaller cylinders just like the central core,then wind primarys over the capacitors and hook them to the capacitors individually, then wind the secondary in series around all the outer cylinders, the only thing you will now see is two wires from the center core and two wires from the outer cylinders. fill all the cans with steel rods or iron powder,measure the inductance on the two secondary wires coming off the series wound cylinders and put a capacitor acros them that will achieve resonance at 60 cycles. there is more than one way to do the final hookup, the hubbard text suggests they hooked it up to a three phase motor [sometimes the motor ran in reverse and it took a long time to get the wiring right] Then the whole thing is jumpstarted with an initial pulse,instead of the tank circuit slowing down and stopping, it picks up energy from the radium with each oscillation of the tank. The energy is transfered from the electrostatic pulse from the capacitor to the primary to which it is connected,then it is picked up by the secondary where it goes to the output, Resonance can be adjusted by adding or removing the rods from the cores, the primary doesn't necessarily have to be adjusted for resonance. This is the way the hendershot worked also, this is why the handwound capacitors blew holes in the coffee cans and had to be wound on stainless steel cans instead. The magnatron magnet was moved in conjunction with the bell ringing coils to change inductance to achieve perfect resonance. The points on the bell ringing coils provided the spiked pulses needed to get the discharge from the capacitors. If you look at hendershots diagram carefully, you will see 8 lc tank circuits not at 500kc but 60 cycles ac, ??HOW DO YOU GET 500KC WHEN YOUR CAPACITOR IS 80 MICROFARADS. The basket weave coils act as an antennae, picking up energy fron the handwound capacitor hooked to the wire that goes around the whole basket weave assembly,hooks in series to the inductor, with a capacitor across it to form a lc tank circuit. These circuits are hooked in series and in parallel and cross connected. This unit would also have to be jump started, but once it starts going it could be shut off and restarted from the charge stored in the capacitors. Morrey and morrey type devices, These are nuclear ionization chambers, the way you build these devices is take an airtight tube with seperate conductive electrodes in each end fill one end with zinc or germanium or other emiter material, dope it with radium chloride or other radioactive material, fill the other end with a collector material like carbon or any other metal of oposite polarity, Pulse this tube with high voltage electrostatic energy and you will get far more energy out than you put in. just hook up your output to the positive and negative end, hook it to a resistive load, vary the resistace to find where it produces the most energy.[an ionization chamber is load sensitive, too much and no output, too little and no output,so the load is important]next connect a bunch of tubes in series and you have morrey's device. Now if you want a swiss ml machine just take one tube, series the radioactive emmiter and non radioactive collector to get as much voltage as you want and pulse it with a fancy whimshurst machine. Or: you could build a morrey type device using radiactive materials, sell plans for $29.00 to $39.00 [don't tell anyone you used radioactive materials] and make lots of money. [Sound familiar]? PS DON'T GIVE THEIR MONEY BACK WHEN THE DEVICE DOSN'T WORK. IS THIS HONEST??????????????????????????????????????????? If nothing else I hope this gets some discussion going! THANKS Wes From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Fri Aug 2 20:16:13 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA15583; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 20:08:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 20:08:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3202C601.EC7@cc.usu.edu> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: Jonathan Barraclough To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Hovertec?????? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Hi! I'm new to this list, so please no one take offense to my questions which may have already been asked (and aswered) previously. I'm an electrical engineering student (one year left to go) at Utah State University. I've been keenly interested in anti-grav and free energy systems since I was nine. I'm doing a senior design project on electric flight. Originally I intended to do it using electrogravitics. Couldn't get any of those patents to work (T.T.Brown). So then I tried corresponding with Muller (perm mag. motor), John Searl (levity disks) and Robert Adams (pulsed D.C. motor). ONly MUller responded, and politely too. He is trying to protect his technology and so I couldn't convince him to let me use it in my project. I've heard of a Japanese inventor who has invented a motor similar to Muller's that uses super powerful rare-earth magnets. All I want is to find one of these cutting edge technologies that works so I can do an engineering analysis on its usefulness in powering aircraft. DOES ANYONE KNOW OF ANY OF THESE INVENTIONS THAT HAS BEEN PROVEN TO WORK THAT I MIGHT BE ABLE TO USE FOR MY PROJECT????? That Hovertec stuff seemed interesting. Does anyone know anything more about that (contact info?)? Thanks in advance for any replies! Jonathan Barraclough slnl0@cc.usu.edu From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Fri Aug 2 23:45:53 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA14965; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 23:34:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 23:34:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3202F0C5.191@polaris.net> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: Bruce Gelerter To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: plasma tube X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Scott Couslin wrote: > > Hello. > I wanted to know where I could get a plasma tube. Hey, I've got a CO2 laser head for sale. You could put whatever gas you like in it. This was used in a 50 watt surgical laser. I used to service them and this was removed from a working system. It also has a He-Ne laser in it with it's beam coincident with the CO2 beam for targeting. Bruce :)~ -- $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $ Creating Wealth Through Education! * Bruce Gelerter $ $ Learn... * bgelert@polaris.net $ $ > How to set-up offshore trusts * Check-out our Web Site at $ $ > How to get into offshore banking * http://users.mwci.net/~destiny $ $ > How YOU are being victimized! * OR $ $ > How to make $3,000+/week * 800-649-3037 for a 2 min msg $ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sat Aug 3 03:14:42 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id DAA03970; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 03:05:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 03:05:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <960803100212_76216.2421_HHB36-1@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: Rick Monteverde <76216.2421@CompuServe.COM> To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Hovertec?????? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Jonathan - > Originally I intended to do it using electrogravitics. > Couldn't get any of those patents to work (T.T.Brown). Could you describe the experiments you did regarding the BB force? I'm very curious about those, and have only heard of a couple of them now where people saw something they thought might have really worked. Were yours of the flat-plate variety, or did you use any of the odd shaped uneven electrode pairs with the tapered dielectrics? Large toroid and small sphere? Large hemisphere and small sphere or hemisphere? How about voltage? Power? Pulsed or steady DC? Thanks, - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sat Aug 3 09:49:33 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA09717; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 09:44:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 09:44:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <320384AF.485C@cc.usu.edu> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: Jonathan Barraclough To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Thanks! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: If Evan Soule is reading this: Thanks very much for the response! Actually I bought Newman's book about 6 or 7 years ago and have read it a few times. I must say that his theories about magnetic fields make more sense to me than anything I've heard of in my classes. I do have one concern however. For the particular application of powering an aircraft, the motor needs to be very light for its power output. The motor I'm currently using for my project puts out about 300 Watts and only weighs 12 ounces. Granted that it drains my 1700 mAh nicads in about 10 minutes. MY concern with Newman's motor is could it be made small and light yet still powerful? Regards JOnathan Barraclough PS IF you (the Newman contingent) ever plan on coming up this way, please consider Utah State University for a demonstration. I could never guarantee acceptance by the professors that be, but I would sure be there with bells on! From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sat Aug 3 09:53:51 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA09585; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 09:43:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 09:43:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <32038150.625D@cc.usu.edu> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: Jonathan Barraclough To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: electrogravitics X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Rick Monteverde wrote: > > Jonathan - > > > Originally I intended to do it using electrogravitics. > > Couldn't get any of those patents to work (T.T.Brown). > > Could you describe the experiments you did regarding the BB force? I'm very > curious about those, and have only heard of a couple of them now where people > saw something they thought might have really worked. > > Were yours of the flat-plate variety, or did you use any of the odd shaped > uneven electrode pairs with the tapered dielectrics? Large toroid and small > sphere? Large hemisphere and small sphere or hemisphere? How about voltage? > Power? Pulsed or steady DC? > > Thanks, > > - Rick Monteverde > Honolulu, HI Hi Rick! I am by no means an expert on this subject but I've done a lot of reading on it. I did study Brown's patent (don't recall the patent # now) on electrokinetic apparatus, you know the one with the "T" shape and the triangular shaped devices utilizing dielectrics embedded with buckshot to create a nonlinear field gradient. (if you need I could try and find out which patent # that was). The experiments I did were mostly on G.E. Hagen's patent #3,120,363 which appears nearly identical to Brown's but it utilizes a combination of ion wind and the Brown effect. NO results I'm sorry to say. I did try a plate capacitor design as per Brown's patent utilizing plates with the positive smaller than the negative (about 1 ft. in diameter). I used a 35-100kV dc supply as described in Brown's patent. STill nothing. The plates were formed out of aluminum foil and I could see the plates deforming slightly with power applied but still no net force. I recently came across a design that was never patented but perhaps may work (Supposedly it was invented by a 17 yr. old boy and the oil companies bought him out) ((where have we heard that one before?)). It seems to utilize all of Brown's theories in its operation as it is nothing more than a stack of capacitors stacked on top of each other with staggered diameters for Brown's non-linearity. This one is supposed to work by just charging the stack with a car battery. I haven't tried this one yet because I'm not convinced it will be worth the time investment. If you need any more info don't hesitate to ask! Jonathan BArraclough AS always if you find anything that DOES work, I'd love to hear about it. From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sat Aug 3 09:54:12 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA09945; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 09:44:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 09:44:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3203855D.7B4F@cc.usu.edu> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: Jonathan Barraclough To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Hovertec once more? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Hi! No one answered my request for info about Hovertec. Is it that same one that advertised in the back of Popular Mechanics? I believe they were selling plans for a hoverboard utilizing ions for levity. Thanks in advance! JOnathan Barraclough slnl0@cc.usu.edu From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sat Aug 3 09:59:25 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA11717; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 09:54:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 09:54:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: richarda@icx.net (Richard Austin) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: reply to richard austin X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: What can be substituted for the radioactive material that will also work? Richard Austin -- email: richarda@icx.net -- radio: KG7SU http://www.rt66.com/~richard/ From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sat Aug 3 10:38:55 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA17911; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 10:33:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 10:33:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608031733.KAA20963@claim.goldrush.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: wesly crosiar To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: reply to richard austin X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: At 09:54 AM 8/3/96 -0700, you wrote: >What can be substituted for the radioactive material that will also work? > >Richard: Possibly lithium hydride or germaniun,as the emiter, but probably not. then you have to use an ionizing gas. I talked to mark hendershot for the first time last night and he told me that parafin wasn't used when the capacitor was wraped on the can, it was dipped in parafin after it was completed. He also told me his father was paid 20,000 not to work on the project for 20 years,and believes his father was murdered after he announced to the world that he was going to show the world how the device worked,[he supposedly commited suicide shortly after his public anouncment]. I mentioned using radium chloride over and over and he made no coment, he continued to make no coment until I asked him point blank, then he denied it. I can't find his number right now but anyone can find it on keely net. I would suggest that anyone looking for a good project to order his plans directly from him, If you can't find his number just ask and I'll find it and post it. Thanks wes From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sat Aug 3 15:09:20 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA24214; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 15:04:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 15:04:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <960803215903_76216.2421_HHB51-2@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: Rick Monteverde <76216.2421@CompuServe.COM> To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: electrogravitics X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: A Jonathan - > I did try a plate capacitor design as per Brown's > patent utilizing plates with the positive smaller > than the negative (about 1 ft. in diameter). I used a > 35-100kV dc supply as described in Brown's > patent. STill nothing. The plates were formed out > of aluminum foil and I could see the plates > deforming slightly with power applied but still no > net force. I have heard of people getting results with the one where a cutout from a larger sheet is used as the smaller electrode, with the smaller piece positioned close to the large sheet right under the hole it was cut from. Then there's the old French Ampere "windmill" experiment that supposedly will run in a vacuum, recently described on Vortex-L. I'm still working on my generator which isn't done yet, so I haven't tried any of this yet myself. By the way, the t-shaped thing appears to be a cross section view of what looks like an umbrella. I have a video of TTB experimenting with them in 1959 or so. They sure worked for him (allegedly), even levitating off the floor with some semblance of stability in one sequence. He had a vacuum chamber set up, but I could never tell if the levitation shots were done in the chamber. This was the Bahanson Lab work. No sound on the video, and it's just unedited clips from 8mm home movie film transferred over, so it's just a hodge-podge of sequences. And that cap stack thing is described on Bill B's Weird Science page, isn't it? I didn't remember that the stack was tapered, but that makes sense in light of the brown patents. Is G.E. Hagen's patent #3,120,363 a version of the flying disc apparatus? RE: Hovertec plans - they were messages about them kicking around here a while back. Check Bill B's pages very carefully. I'll search my archives and see if anything turns up. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sat Aug 3 19:20:50 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA23157; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 19:11:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 19:11:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <32040AD6.16C1@cc.usu.edu> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: Jonathan Barraclough To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: electrogravitics X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Rick Monteverde wrote: > Is G.E. Hagen's patent #3,120,363 a version of the flying disc apparatus? I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "...the flying disc apparatus" but yes is does kind of look like a disk. Actually it consists of aluminum tubing formed into circles. They are separated by dielectric posts by about 2 inches. A few strands of 2 mil wire are mounted on the anode ring to act as ion antennae. > RE: Hovertec plans - they were messages about them kicking around here a while > back. Check Bill B's pages very carefully. I'll search my archives and see if > anything turns up. I'd appreciate that a lot! By the way, do you know of any spec stating how much current the generators should put out for the TBB effect. I never really checked that when I was doing the experiments. Actually I don't know exactly how I would check that experimentally since 35-100 KV is enough to wreak havoc on my little DVM. Jonathan Barraclough LOgan Utah PS How is Honolulu these days? I used to live on Maui a few years back. From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sun Aug 4 01:04:02 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA02701; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 00:53:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 00:53:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <32044EE4.4C8C@concentric.net> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: Kendra Brill To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: (no subject) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Hello, to all. I'm the new guy here. I am utterly fascinated by Tesla's work and theories. Right now, I just hobby around but I would like to expand my paradigm relating to alternative experimental science. Presently I am searching out any circuit theories, experimental data, etc. regarding tesla coils and any information on Tesla's later works (transmission magnifiers, etc.) Your support and conversations will be greatly appreciated. Jason Brill From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sun Aug 4 04:19:56 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id EAA15684; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 04:04:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 04:04:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <960804105943_76216.2421_HHB29-1@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: Rick Monteverde <76216.2421@CompuServe.COM> To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: electrogravitics X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Jonathan - Well, I just checked my archives, and I can't find any Hovertec info. It might be in the list archives here, or Bill Beaty might have something on it somewhere. > "I'm not sure exactly what you mean by > "...the flying disc apparatus"" TTB's original flying discs. I had no idea what Hagen's patent was about. >>> "By the way, do you know of any spec stating how much current the generators should put out for the TBB effect." This would vary quite a bit depending on the losses in the test system. It's a Kirchhoff's kind of thing. What we think of as a terminal electrode holding static charge might really be just a node in a circuit if it's leaking charge away into the air or other medium, perhaps even by "cold cathode" effects if it's in a vacuum. It would never charge up to maximum potential if the input current didn't keep up very well with what was draining off. If the leakage is very small, we might ignore it. But from what I can tell about voltages in the range we're talking about here, 35K-100+K, leakage on any practical apparatus is always a very big problem, especially for tin foil things hanging in air. This in combination with the fact that smaller hobbyist/experimental HV machines are likely to be operating in the low microamp range probably means the voltage on an electrode that's not extremely well insulated and/or smoothly rounded all around is probably not going to reach the voltage levels hoped for. So well insulated capacitors are a good bet to get brought up to charge by even small current generators, but freestanding things with sharp edges tend to be trouble. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sun Aug 4 10:06:32 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA17709; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 09:58:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 09:58:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608041652.JAA04572@claim.goldrush.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: wesly crosiar To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: free energy X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: >To: freenrg@eskimo.com >From: wesly crosiar >Subject: free energy > >>Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 08:21:47 >>To: freenrg-l@ eskimo.con >>From: wesly crosiar >>Subject: free energy >> >>Last night I was talking to jerry decker, and he mentioned something he had seen at a energy symposium[I forget which one, wasn't paying that much attention at first] he saw a demonstration by a kid by the name of kevin bergnan from alaska. This device was rotational in nature and when it came up to 2500 rpm the magnets that were mounted with coils on the outer rim lost their resistance to each other and the device free wheeled, >>even though it still produced the same energy, he is supposed to have one that is overunity, and jery said he was so open and honest and the presentation so fantastic that he believes this ones for real. DOES ANYONE HAVE HIS TELEPHONE NUMBER. >> Also, jerry mentioned his interest in the cars that run on air, I think bill has them on his list of free energy devices, QUESTION, does anybody know what diesel run on is? and how to duplicate it, I once had a diesel mechanic tell me that when a turbocharged diesel engine is hot and runs out of fuel, under the right conditions it will keep on running, even though it has no fuel, it can't be shut off. This is diesel run on. Maybe this is how the cars that supposedly run on air work. HAS ANYONE SEEN THIS OR KNOW HOW IT HAPPENS. THANKS WES >> > From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sun Aug 4 11:42:20 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA01660; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 11:34:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 11:34:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: William Beaty To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: electrogravitics X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: On Sat, 3 Aug 1996, Rick Monteverde wrote: > > And that cap stack thing is described on Bill B's Weird Science page, isn't it? > I didn't remember that the stack was tapered, but that makes sense in light of > the brown patents. This one is on http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/weird/const.html Not tapered, though. > RE: Hovertec plans - they were messages about them kicking around here a while > back. Check Bill B's pages very carefully. I'll search my archives and see if > anything turns up. This is on the freenrg-L webpage, on my 'bilb' account, NOT 'billb'. They look to me like someone's speculation on how a levitator might work, they don't look like plans for anything real. http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html ...............................freenrg-L.................................... William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd Moderator: FREENRG-L VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sun Aug 4 14:27:17 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA24744; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 14:16:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 14:16:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <960804171047_171598736@emout07.mail.aol.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: DVNelson@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: faster than light? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: I have been watching, and occasionally participating, in this list for quite a while now. In the meantime, I have read some Tesla books quite a few times over. Every time I read one of his lectures over again, I find new sentence to underline and understand a little bit more. Anyway, after a few experiments and a lot of thinking, I understood the mechanisms involved in rotating magnetic fields. Telsa used these fields in synchronous motors and, apparently, in his toroidal transformer. Now to he question. Could a magnetic pole be "spun" faster than light? I am an engineer, and therefore have a pretty good math background. As such, I decided to do some calculations. I wanted to find what frequency current is needed to move a pole at light speed. Granted, it may be physically impossible for a magnetic wave to move that quickly, but here is the math. Conventions: * means multiplication ^ means exponent (e.g. 10^2 = 100) Given: (1) a toroidal transformer with a radius of R (meter) (2) a current with a frequency of F (cycles/sec) (3) each rotating pole makes 1 rotation per cycle (four coil system) (3) c=3.0 x 10^8 (m/s) The path length of one revolution of a pole is 2 * pi * R (m/revolution) The path length per cycle is then: 2 * pi * R (m/rev) * 1 (rev/cycle) = 2 * pi * R (m/cycle) So, the instantaneous velocity of a pole is: v (m/s) = 2 * pi * R (m/cycle) * F (cycles/sec) In order to reach a speed EQUAL to the the speed of light: v = c = 2 * pi * R * F (m/s) Find the F which will yield v = c F = c/(2 * pi * R) = c/(2 * pi) = 3.0 * 10^8 /( 6.2832 * R) Here is a chart with a few values for R: R (m) | F (c/s) 0.1 477.5 MHz 0.5 95.5 MHz 1.0 47.75 MHz None of these values for R or F are unheard of. Some questions immediately jump to mind: (1) Can a magnetic pole move faster than the speed of light? (2) If it cannot, would the current be impeded by some unforseen force? (3) If it can, would there be any anomolous effects? (4) Could light speed be a threshold of some sort? (5) Could faster than light magnetic waves be the basis for the Tesla cannons we have all read about. (6) Tesla said that the only thing that limited obtainable power from his systems was the radius of the device. Could he have been trying to reach the speed of light in an era when 47.75 MHz was somewhat unattainable? I would love to hear any comments or questions regarding my math and open questions. I have my own ideas and experiments in mind already, but feedback is an important part of science. Regards, Douglas Nelson DVNelson@aol.com nelcons@mindspring.com From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sun Aug 4 16:06:06 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA07969; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 15:57:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 15:57:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: Byrun_Fox@mindlink.bc.ca (Byrun Fox) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: free energy X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Has anyone done any work with circlar plasma rings. Perhaps as was suggested by Stefan Marinov. Is plasma actually superconducting. I too am interested in kevin bergman and any info on his magnetic motors. Please let me know if you find out more Wes. thanks kindly, Byrun Fox. From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sun Aug 4 17:25:33 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA21814; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 17:17:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 17:17:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608050013.RAA12332@claim.goldrush.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: wesly crosiar To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: free energy X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: At 03:57 PM 8/4/96 -0700, you wrote: > > >I too am interested in kevin bergman and any info on his magnetic motors. >Please let me know if you find out more Wes. thanks kindly, Byrun Fox. > Byrun: The tesla society is or has produced plans for kevins device that they will sell for ?$. Also jerry decker is going to post plans on his page on it for free, my purpose in contacting kevin is to see if he has plans he is willing to sell, so he is the one who will profit on the device he has undoubtebly spent countless hours making. If I make contact I will post my findings. THANKS WES > > From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Tue Aug 6 22:13:24 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA21004; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 22:01:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 22:01:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <960805015557_592462690@emout16.mail.aol.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: NLSilliman@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Reply to: faster that light? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: > DVNelson@aol.com said snip > Now to he question. Could a magnetic pole be "spun" faster than light? snip I received an issue of Electric Spacecraft Journal and Extra Ordinary Science magazine in the spring of 1995. They have similar write-ups describing John Searl's levity disk. Searl describes his disk as containing concentric rings with magnetic 'rollers' circling them (the action seems to be roller magnets moving around the circumference of the rings, spinning on their axis as they move around the circle). Another item that you might consider about magnetic waves. Speaker manufacturers describe the limits of the speakers fidelity having a cutoff at or near 39,000 cycles, as that is where the hystersis effect shows that the magnetic action can no longer keep up with the frequency. Might that mean the magnetic 'waves' have a limiting speed of 39kc somethings? Now if you couple the spinning of the magnets and the 39,000 limit, maybe you get weird actions like Searl claims. > I would love to hear any comments or questions regarding my math and > open questions. I have my own ideas and experiments in mind already, > but feedback is an important part of science. Amen Norm From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Tue Aug 6 22:15:24 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA22095; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 22:07:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 22:07:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: William Beaty To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Bedini webpage X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: John Bedini WWW site http://www.nidlink.com/~john1 ....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Tue Aug 6 22:22:13 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA23205; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 22:13:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 22:13:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608051923.OAA16642@ns.vvm.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: "Brent Davidson" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Hovertec once more? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Regarding the Hovertec info, I was the one who originally posted the info to this group. Yes, they were the same company who advertised in the back of the Popular Science/Mechanics/Electronics, etc. magazines. They supposedle had plans for Hoverboards for $20, so I ordered them and they sent me this booklet of theories with a lot of equations and incomplete work. The info from the Ground-effect Ion/Mag-Lev system is poszted on Bill's website. If you have any more questions, please e-mail me directly as well as the list as I don't seem to be receiving all feeds from the list. Thanks, Brent Davidson (davidson@vvm.com) From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Tue Aug 6 22:24:49 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA22891; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 22:11:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 22:11:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <32062924.4FEB@cc.usu.edu> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: Jonathan Barraclough To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: electrogravitics X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: William Beaty wrote: > > On Sat, 3 Aug 1996, Rick Monteverde wrote: > > > > And that cap stack thing is described on Bill B's Weird Science page, isn't it? > > I didn't remember that the stack was tapered, but that makes sense in light of > > the brown patents. > > This one is on http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/weird/const.html > Not tapered, though. Actually I bought the plans for that device from H & A Industries and they include some pages that are apparently missing from your posting which suggest a stacking arrangement of differing sized electrodes. Thanks for the Hovertec info. JOnathan BArraclough slnl0@cc.usu.edu From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Tue Aug 6 22:24:59 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA23660; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 22:15:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 22:15:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <9608061321.AA62642@uu1611.prelude.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: d.powell@prelude.com (Don Powell) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: It's in the WATER / Batteries / the bottle H2O runoff X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: I've lost the original so I can't include text but concerning the AA battery dropped in a Coke bottle (plastic) filled with water and some salt: I did this an get similar results. The Brown scum and the green scum are two parts of the same thing. The battery contact are made of tin and copper. Hydrogen and Oxygen are highly reactive and corrode the contacts making rust (the brown stuff) and copper rust (copper oxide) the green stuff. As to the Implode or Explode not happening, I also saw that but in thinking about it I suspect that the Hydrogen and Oxygen are recombining with the Sodium and the Chlorine atoms of the salt instead of each other. That would explain the lack of "reaction". After 4 days my bottle has about 1" of green scum on the bottom but is still producing bubbles. The original author noted that the pressure did not build up in his experiment but it sure has in mine. It is weird, the 1.5 volts gasses at a slow rate and then at a certain pressure it stops gassing. (just like the CO2 in a diet coke). As soon as I open the top it releases a lot of bubbles and the as I cap it back it goes back to bubbling then slowing down as the pressure builds up. During none of the openings did I get any indication of combustion so I'm fairly sure that the gasses I'm releasing are not pure H and O. My nect attempt will be to build a little AC generator and use pure water. From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Tue Aug 6 22:29:00 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA22531; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 22:09:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 22:09:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: pruyn@ad.nl (Fred Pruyn) To: Multiple recipients of list X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: off list From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Tue Aug 6 22:32:38 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA24989; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 22:22:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 22:22:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: William Beaty To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Goldin Statement on Possible Mars Life Discovery (fwd) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: ....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 17:57:35 -0400 From: Ron Baalke To: dinosaur@usc.edu Subject: Goldin Statement on Possible Mars Life Discovery Laurie Boeder Headquarters, Washington, DC August 6, 1996 (Phone: 202/358-1898) RELEASE: 96-159 STATEMENT FROM DANIEL S. GOLDIN, NASA ADMINISTRATOR "NASA has made a startling discovery that points to the possibility that a primitive form of microscopic life may have existed on Mars more than three billion years ago. The research is based on a sophisticated examination of an ancient Martian meteorite that landed on Earth some 13,000 years ago. The evidence is exciting, even compelling, but not conclusive. It is a discovery that demands further scientific investigation. NASA is ready to assist the process of rigorous scientific investigation and lively scientific debate that will follow this discovery. I want everyone to understand that we are not talking about 'little green men.' These are extremely small, single- cell structures that somewhat resemble bacteria on Earth. There is no evidence or suggestion that any higher life form ever existed on Mars. The NASA scientists and researchers who made this discovery will be available at a news conference tomorrow to discuss their findings. They will outline the step-by-step "detective story" that explains how the meteorite arrived here from Mars, and how they set about looking for evidence of long-ago life in this ancient rock. They will also release some fascinating images documenting their research. -end- From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Tue Aug 6 22:38:47 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA24199; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 22:18:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 22:18:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: William Beaty To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Weird electrostatic story X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Here's an odd story. I heard it second-hand, so I'm not totally confident of its accuracy. I have a call in to the originator. A friend attended the 1995 ESD assn. symposium where a 3M engineer told of an interesting phenomenon at a factory in the south. The humidity was extremely high, yet when the guy entered the factory floor his electrometer measured many tens of KV just inside the doorway. As part of the production process they were taking two types of plastic film off an enormous roll many feet long and spooling it onto two other rolls. The dissimilar materials were generating opposite surface charges, so these two rolls were acting as charge accumulators. The enormous rolls were adjacent and oppositely charged throughout their volume, so the e-field between them was incredibly high. They should form a capacitor, but an unconventional one with non-conductive plates, and with the charges trapped inside the plastic. Here's the weird part. When workers tried to walk between the rolls, they experienced a strong repulsion force. Repulsion, not attraction. When the humidity was lower, they found that the field was so strong that they were unable to push their way through! Yet when one drops plastic fragments between oppositely charged parallel plates, the fragments are sucked into the gap, rotate to align with the field, and stick to one plate or the other. They are not *repelled!* Anyone have an explanation of the odd phenomenon in the factory? also: Charging a film and spooling it up would be a neat way to create a single-pole electret. After awhile it should "discharge" as opposite air ions were attracted to its surface. But then you could peel a couple of layers off and restore the original effect. I think VandeGraaff belts can take tens of of microcoulombs per cm^2, so it wouldn't be hard to accumulate a total charge in the millicoulomb range. I expect that air breakdowns would impose the major limit. If you made a positive and a negative "charge spool," the attractive force between them should be amazing! ....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Tue Aug 6 22:40:04 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA25239; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 22:23:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 22:23:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608070044.RAA23029@claim.goldrush.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: wesly crosiar To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: hubbard coil X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: A Does anyone know where hubbard was working when he developed his coil? Thanks Wes From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Tue Aug 6 22:42:30 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA26581; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 22:31:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 22:31:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: William Beaty To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: WEIRD SCIENCE: want a sat. dish? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: R. J. is about to scrap a 10ft satellite dish. Anyone want to haul it off for interesting purposes? He's in Seattle, up by northgate. Respond to this message if interested. ....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Tue Aug 6 22:43:09 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA25811; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 22:27:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 22:27:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3207F94E.25EE@cc.usu.edu> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: Jonathan Barraclough To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Has anybody.....? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Hello again everyone! Has anyone had any experience with (built prototypes, models etc.) ..Edwin Gray's capacitor discharge motor??? ..Robert Adams' pulsed dc motor???? ..John R. Searl's spinning disks??? ..Howard Johnson's permanent magnet motors??? Does anyone know where to get plans, copies of patents, notes, pictures etc.??? I've read articles about them at Jerry Decker's site but nothing technical or even remotely comprehensive. Thanks for any replies! Jonathan BArraclough slnl0@cc.usu.edu From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Wed Aug 7 08:40:04 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA24159; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 08:29:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 08:29:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: William Beaty To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: FREENRG-L was down, now its back! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Freenrg-L (and all lists at eskimo) hung on sunday night. Eskimo.com staff finally repaired it tuesday night, and it's behaving OK now. ...............................freenrg-L.................................... William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd Moderator: FREENRG-L VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Wed Aug 7 08:52:02 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA24449; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 08:30:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 08:30:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: William Beaty To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: hubbard coil X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, wesly crosiar wrote: > Does anyone know where hubbard was working when he developed his coil? Right here in Seattle! ...............................freenrg-L.................................... William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd Moderator: FREENRG-L VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Wed Aug 7 09:58:49 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA08916; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 09:52:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 09:52:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <32062A33.23@pi.net> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: MvD To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: faster than light? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: DVNelson@aol.com wrote: > > Now to he question. Could a magnetic pole be "spun" faster than light? > I once thougth of this too, and did simular calculations. I theorised that you probably will get a kind of Tjernenkov (I'm not sure how to write it) radiation as a reaction. So if it is possible is will cost a LOT of energy to keep the wave going. Unfortionaly I was never able to test this. -- ---------------------- Clacke's Law's of Prophesy FIRST LAW When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certain correct. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong. SECOND LAW The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible. THIRd LAW Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguisheble from magic. Dootingh@pi.net Utrecht The Netherlands From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Wed Aug 7 10:04:49 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA09099; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 09:53:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 09:53:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <32062C1F.9A5@pi.net> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: MvD To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: free energy X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Byrun Fox wrote: > > Is plasma actually superconducting. > > Plasma is conducting but not superconducting. I believe this is because a collision between a free electron an a free ion will have a different quantum state for that electron and ion a a result, and a foton will be emitted. So far ... -- ---------------------- Dootingh@pi.net Utrecht The Netherlands From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Wed Aug 7 10:40:47 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA16681; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 10:32:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 10:32:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3208D409.2219@cc.usu.edu> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: Jonathan Barraclough To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Hovertec once more? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Brent Davidson wrote: > > Regarding the Hovertec info, I was the one who originally posted the > info to this group. Yes, they were the same company who advertised > in the back of the Popular Science/Mechanics/Electronics, etc. > magazines. They supposedle had plans for Hoverboards for $20, so I > ordered them and they sent me this booklet of theories with a lot of > equations and incomplete work. The info from the Ground-effect > Ion/Mag-Lev system is poszted on Bill's website. If you have any > more questions, please e-mail me directly as well as the list as I > don't seem to be receiving all feeds from the list. > > Thanks, > Brent Davidson (davidson@vvm.com) Yes Brent, I do have many questions! But just one for now. Is that info on Bill's web page all the info that was available from Hovertec? Have you heard from them or about them since? Do you know of any other resources about them? Do you know of anyone who tried to duplicate their ideas experimentally? (Okay, so I had more than one!) BTW, thanks for your response. JOnathan BArraclough slnl0@cc.usu.edu From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Wed Aug 7 11:53:06 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA28375; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 11:34:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 11:34:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608071831.LAA03696@claim.goldrush.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: wesly crosiar To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: hubbard coil X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: At 08:30 AM 8/7/96 -0700, you wrote: >On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, wesly crosiar wrote: > >> Does anyone know where hubbard was working when he developed his coil? > >Right here in Seattle! > >Question:Did he work for radium company of america? > > > > From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Wed Aug 7 11:58:01 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA01089; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 11:48:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 11:48:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608071840.LAA03948@claim.goldrush.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: wesly crosiar To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: It's in the WATER / Batteries / the bottle H2O runoff X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: At 10:15 PM 8/6/96 -0700, you wrote: > >I've lost the original so I can't include text but concerning the AA battery >dropped in a Coke bottle (plastic) filled with water and some salt: > >I missed this one:Is this the one that is supposed to use green powder [GREEN SCUM]added to water, to use as a fuel in place of gasoline??? THANKS WES From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Wed Aug 7 12:06:45 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA01259; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 11:49:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 11:49:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: Chris Morriss To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Goldin Statement on Possible Mars Life Discovery (fwd) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: In message , William Beaty writes > >STATEMENT FROM DANIEL S. GOLDIN, NASA ADMINISTRATOR > > "NASA has made a startling discovery that points to the >possibility that a primitive form of microscopic life may >have existed on Mars more than three billion years ago. The >research is based on a sophisticated examination of an ancient >Martian meteorite that landed on Earth some 13,000 years ago. > > etc. > Why has this suddenly acquired respectability now? Cellular fossils were discovered in carbonaceous chondrite meteorites decades ago. Fred Hoyle gives an account in his book 'Life Cloud' published in 1978. I wonder what other discoveries known to the cognoscenti will suddenly become scientifically respectable? -- Chris Morriss From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Wed Aug 7 12:11:19 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA03131; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 12:00:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 12:00:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: Todd Heywood To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Goldin Statement on Possible Mars Life Discovery (fwd) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: > In message , William > Beaty writes > > > >STATEMENT FROM DANIEL S. GOLDIN, NASA ADMINISTRATOR > > > > "NASA has made a startling discovery that points to the > >possibility that a primitive form of microscopic life may > >have existed on Mars more than three billion years ago. The > >research is based on a sophisticated examination of an ancient > >Martian meteorite that landed on Earth some 13,000 years ago. > > > > > etc. > > > Why has this suddenly acquired respectability now? Cellular fossils > were discovered in carbonaceous chondrite meteorites decades ago. Fred > Hoyle gives an account in his book 'Life Cloud' published in 1978. > I wonder what other discoveries known to the cognoscenti will suddenly > become scientifically respectable? > -- Well, NASA's budget is being throttled yet again, and "life" is sure to gain some public support. Excuse the cynicism. Todd Heywood From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Wed Aug 7 12:30:23 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA07170; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 12:22:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 12:22:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608071922.MAA04980@claim.goldrush.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: wesly crosiar To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Has anybody.....? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: A At 10:27 PM 8/6/96 -0700, you wrote: >Hello again everyone! > >Has anyone had any experience with (built prototypes, models etc.) >..Edwin Gray's capacitor discharge motor??? >ANSWER:Edwin greys patent # is 3,890,548 june 17,1975. Download is or any other patent through MICRO PAT. Plans for a simple ev grey motor is available from creative science, they call it the fuelless engine. Don kelly has reproduced 2 such motors and says they clearly do not produce overunity, ev grey didn't claim overunity either, although they are very efficient motors. They also sell plans for a permanent magnet motor that uses only permanent magnets they claim up to 15 horsepower, does anyone know anything about this? Don ordered a set and said it is not the tomi motor. They also have a video that shows supposedly overunity devices, including the ev grey type motor. So far no one has verified success with any of their devices. For those who want to spend their money, their # is 812-945-6168. The air and water motor they sell is a take off of the clem.1 gif taken off keely net. I have been told by three people that this motor is legetimate and is simple to build. I will send any one who will build it a copy of the plans. thanks wes From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Wed Aug 7 14:02:40 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA22561; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 13:51:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 13:51:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <9608072038.AA45522@uu1611.prelude.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: d.powell@prelude.com (Don Powell) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: It's in the WATER / Batteries / the bottle H2O runoff X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: No, this was about getting green scum instead of an implosion/explosion (depending on who you talk to) as expected. If you want you can email Steve Ekwall ekwall2@com (is that a real address?) and he can send the original to this thread. I can scan it and repost it if I have to but I no longer have it in electronic format. >At 10:15 PM 8/6/96 -0700, you wrote: >> >>I've lost the original so I can't include text but concerning the AA battery >>dropped in a Coke bottle (plastic) filled with water and some salt: >> >>I missed this one:Is this the one that is supposed to use green powder >[GREEN SCUM]added to water, to use as a fuel in place of gasoline??? > THANKS WES > > > From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Wed Aug 7 14:25:40 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA27555; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 14:18:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 14:18:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: Caenum To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Goldin Statement on Possible Mars Life Discovery (fwd) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: >> Why has this suddenly acquired respectability now? Cellular fossils >> were discovered in carbonaceous chondrite meteorites decades ago. Fred >> Hoyle gives an account in his book 'Life Cloud' published in 1978. >> I wonder what other discoveries known to the cognoscenti will suddenly >> become scientifically respectable? >> >Well, NASA's budget is being throttled yet again, and "life" is >sure to gain some public support. Excuse the cynicism. Nasa's budget has suffered before and has done little to gain public support. In fact nasa has done much to close the public out. There is certainly another reason for this. I suspect that propoganda tactics being deployed are no longer as effective as they have been. Too much information is becoming available to the public and foreign nations as more people come out of the closet than can be supressed, for secrets to remain hidden forever. From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Wed Aug 7 17:04:09 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA01520; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 16:57:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 16:57:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608072323.QAA09700@big.aa.net> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: Michael Mandeville To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Takahashi Scooter/Motor Now In The U.S. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Interesting News Department: The Takahashi Scooter is now sitting in US Customs in San Francisco. Magnetic Power Inc. will evaluate the motor and magnets for possible licensing and manufacturing in North America. I inquired about purchasing Sciex magnets. They are not in production anywhere in the world and most likely none will be available for a couple of years. When available, the company estimates they will cost about $5.00 per gram. ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Wed Aug 7 17:05:49 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA01779; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 16:58:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 16:58:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.16.19960808133915.2c5f9270@Topaz.Cqu.Edu.Au> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: "G.D.Mutch" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Has anybody.....? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: At 05:30 AM 8/08/96 +10, you wrote: >At 10:27 PM 8/6/96 -0700, you wrote: >>Hello again everyone! >> >>Has anyone had any experience with (built prototypes, models etc.) >>..Edwin Gray's capacitor discharge motor??? >>ANSWER:Edwin greys patent # is 3,890,548 june 17,1975. Download is or any >other patent through MICRO PAT. > Plans for a simple ev grey motor is available from creative science, they >call it the fuelless engine. Don kelly has reproduced 2 such motors and says >they clearly do not produce overunity, ev grey didn't claim overunity >either, although they are very efficient motors. They also sell plans for a >permanent magnet motor that uses only permanent magnets they claim up to 15 >horsepower, does anyone know anything about this? Don ordered a set and said >it is not the tomi motor. They also have a video that shows supposedly >overunity devices, including the ev grey type motor. So far no one has >verified success with any of their devices. For those who want to spend >their money, >their # is 812-945-6168. The air and water motor they sell is a take off of >the clem.1 gif taken off keely net. I have been told by three people that >this motor is legetimate >and is simple to build. I will send any one who will build it a copy of the >plans. > thanks wes I dont realy know what the air/water motor is , but I'm willing to have a look at the plans to see if I or some friends can build it. No guarantee. -Grant ==== Email: Mutchg@Topaz.Cqu.Edu.Au ======================================= || N.B. From the moment we are born in to this world we begin dying... || || Doing things that can harm and kill, is an idiots waste of time. || || Ordinary is a man who can harm, unique is a man who rebuilds. || ========================================================= Borrowed ======== From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Wed Aug 7 17:43:37 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA08180; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 17:32:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 17:32:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <32093126.640E@mindspring.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: Ben Tammetta To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Goldin Statement on Possible Mars Life Discovery (fwd) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Caenum wrote: > > >> Why has this suddenly acquired respectability now? Cellular fossils > >> were discovered in carbonaceous chondrite meteorites decades ago. Fred > >> > >Well, NASA's budget is being throttled yet again, and "life" is > >sure to gain some public support. Excuse the cynicism. > another reason for this. I suspect that propoganda tactics being deployed > are no longer as effective as they have been. Too much information is > becoming available to the public and foreign nations as more people come > out of the closet than can be supressed, for secrets to remain hidden forever. True, Information can no longer be suppressed, which is why we are all on this list. They are simply testing the publics reaction to the one celled alien fossils in preparation before having to acknowledge the inevitable :) Disclosures will progress... This possible "evidence" has prompted the public and talk shows to discuss the question..... What if? Ben tammetta@mindspring.com From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Wed Aug 7 20:55:03 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA10601; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 20:43:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 20:43:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3209670E.4466@cc.usu.edu> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: Jonathan Barraclough To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Takahashi Scooter/Motor Now In The U.S. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Michael Mandeville wrote: > > Interesting News Department: > > The Takahashi Scooter is now sitting in US Customs in San Francisco. > Magnetic Power Inc. will evaluate the motor and magnets for possible > licensing and manufacturing in North America. Hey Michael! I believe your the one who wrote me back when I mailed a proposal to Muller for my senior project. How is Muller doing? Is the Takahashi motor being here now encouraging an acceleration in Muller's motor development? I personally would give my left big toe to have a Muller or Takahashi motor to do my senior project with. You told me that my proposal was 4 months too early. Is Muller planning on producing at that time? What chances would my proposal have in four months? Clearly if any of these questions delve into private info I understand and would not expect (although would love) a response. Jonathan BArraclough slnl0@cc.usu.edu From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Thu Aug 8 01:46:58 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA21717; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 01:39:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 01:39:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <1C96E254C80@resource.bell.ac.uk> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: "Robert Brown" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: magnetic monopole fields X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Dear MV thought you may be interested to hear of a local man here in Scotland who uses a monopole magnetic field in connection with ordinary internal combustion engines. There was an article in the local paper a few months ago where he claimed he was able to increase mpg. dramatically and actually demonstrated to the reporter, his car which he drove up a steep hill in fifth gear with his foot OFF the accelerator pedal. He seemed to be suggesting that after he has "altered" an engine in this way it becomes almost frictionless. Sorry I don`t know more. Robert Brown From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Thu Aug 8 06:44:48 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA20394; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 06:28:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 06:28:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: Todd Heywood To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Goldin Statement on Possible Mars Life Discovery (fwd) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, Ben Tammetta wrote: > Caenum wrote: > > > > >> Why has this suddenly acquired respectability now? Cellular fossils > > >> were discovered in carbonaceous chondrite meteorites decades ago. Fred > > >> > > >Well, NASA's budget is being throttled yet again, and "life" is > > >sure to gain some public support. Excuse the cynicism. > > > another reason for this. I suspect that propoganda tactics being deployed > > are no longer as effective as they have been. Too much information is > > becoming available to the public and foreign nations as more people come > > out of the closet than can be supressed, for secrets to remain hidden forever. > > True, Information can no longer be suppressed, which is why we are all on this > list. They are simply testing the publics reaction to the one celled alien fossils > in preparation before having to acknowledge the inevitable :) Disclosures will > progress... > > This possible "evidence" has prompted the public and talk shows to discuss the > question..... > What if? I disagree. I think money/funding is the motivator, as usual. Note also drama of the the press release wording, and the press conference format of "announcing a discovery". Looks like its working real fast; the morning paper has a Clinton quote about resources for a Mars mission. Etc. Never underestimate the power of the word "life" to the public. Politicians understand that. Todd Heywood From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Thu Aug 8 15:34:07 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA18393; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 15:24:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 15:24:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <960808174432_380331305@emout14.mail.aol.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: DVNelson@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Reply to: faster that light? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: >Another item that you might consider about magnetic waves. Speaker >manufacturers describe the limits of the speakers fidelity having a >cutoff at or near 39,000 cycles, as that is where the hystersis effect >shows that the magnetic action can no longer keep up with the frequency. >Might that mean the magnetic 'waves' have a limiting speed of 39kc >somethings? In general, speakers have some type of ferrite core. Ferrite cores do have a point where it cannot keep up with magnetic oscillations. What about a different core though. What frequency could an oil filled core handle? Tesla spoke about wooden cores boiled for a long time in "boiled out" oil. Another thought: Could there be a frequency with a ferrite core, where not only could the core not keep up, but the core is almost always out of phase by 180degrees? Could a phase difference be secured where the ferrite is actually helping to "push" the magnetic waves rather than retard them? From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Thu Aug 8 19:19:21 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA01817; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 18:59:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 18:59:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: Brent Davidson To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Hovertec once more? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: The info on Bill's web page is all the info I have on Hovertec. As I've said before, there were a few more ideas included in the Hovertec booklet, but all of them were either dependent on superconductors or required too much power to be practicle. I've tried to contact Hovertec several times recently with no luck. I'm assuming that theye've gone out of business (or maybe put out of business by BIG BROTHER). I've been trying to duplicate their work mathematically before I begin working on experiments. At this time, I'm in need of a few equations. What I need is an equation relating voltage,frequency, etc to the productio of Ions from a sharp object. None of the physics resources that I have seem to comment on this. I need to know the rate at which I can produce and accumulate Ions before I can set up the final equation and computer model. If any one can help, please e-mail me the realavent equations as soon as possible. Thanks, Brent Davidson (davidson@vvm.com) From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Thu Aug 8 19:21:24 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA02698; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 19:03:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 19:03:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: William Beaty To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Weird electrostatic story update X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: On 8/6/96, William Beaty wrote: > Here's an odd story. I heard it second-hand, so I'm not totally > confident of its accuracy. I have a call in to the originator. > A friend attended the 1995 ESD assn. symposium where a 3M engineer told > of an interesting phenomenon at a factory in the south. The humidity was I talked with Dave Swenson, the 3M engineer involved. The geometry was different than I originally heard. A roll of PET plastic film 20ft. long was being unspooled. The sheet of film traveled 20ft upward, passed over rollers, traveled 20ft horizontal, then down into "slitting" machines where it was put onto smaller spools. The film traveled at 1000f/min (10mph). The film had previously been processed so that its two faces were dissimilar, so when it was peeled from the main roll, charge separation occurred. And so the charged film formed a sort of huge tent-like structure which one could walk under. The e-field around the equipment was so strong that workers could not approach it for fear of triggering huge discharges. When the humidity was low, an unusual effect took place: if you attempted to pass under the "tent" you were stopped by something like "an invisible wall." Additionally, the forces prevented you from turning your body, and you had to walk backwards to move away. This from a large sheet of highly-charged plastic! Question: could the e-fields from such a setup be strong enough to prevent a person from walking forward? I would think that they would be too weak, and they would cause attraction rather than repulsion. Could the e-fields affect the nervous system? Perhaps the strong fields attract something else which then provides the "wall" effect. Aerosol/polymers? Dark matter? :) ....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Fri Aug 9 06:29:26 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA07425; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 06:10:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 06:10:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <9608091302.AA0059@cougar.ssi.stratus.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: "Charlie Hodgson" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Goldin Statement on Possible Mars Life Discovery (fwd) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Todd Heywood wrote: > On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, Ben Tammetta wrote: > > > Caenum wrote: > > > > > > >> Why has this suddenly acquired respectability now? Cellular fossils > > > >> were discovered in carbonaceous chondrite meteorites decades ago. Fred > > > >> > > > >Well, NASA's budget is being throttled yet again, and "life" is > > > >sure to gain some public support. Excuse the cynicism. > > > > > another reason for this. I suspect that propoganda tactics being deployed > > > are no longer as effective as they have been. Too much information is > > > becoming available to the public and foreign nations as more people come > > > out of the closet than can be supressed, for secrets to remain hidden forever. > > > > True, Information can no longer be suppressed, which is why we are all on this > > list. They are simply testing the publics reaction to the one celled alien fossils > > in preparation before having to acknowledge the inevitable :) Disclosures will > > progress... > > > > This possible "evidence" has prompted the public and talk shows to discuss the > > question..... > > What if? > > I disagree. I think money/funding is the motivator, as usual. Note > also drama of the the press release wording, and the press conference > format of "announcing a discovery". My take is that the funding already exists for the initial flights. How else could they deploy a mission to Mars by years end? This is deeper. The momentum has been building for two to three years with some respectable players joining in. Didn't Nightline do a show about Roswell a month or so back?? Either them or PBS. I heard recently that something like 45% of the poulation believes life exists outside of our planet. This is the first 'proof'. We're on the verge of either a real, acknowledged encounter or some irrefutable proof from SETI or this mission to Mars that we are not alone. Charlie -- Who is don alphonso and whats all this about tweezers From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Fri Aug 9 10:28:11 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA24580; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 10:21:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 10:21:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608091654.JAA14185@claim.goldrush.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: wesly crosiar To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: runs on air engines X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: In one of my prior messages I asked if anyone knew about diesel {run on}, I have had several people who have worked on diesels verify this happens. I once saw it myself. I was running a 600cfm turbocharged air compressor which ran out of fuel, and I couldn't shut it off, even when I turned off the fuel line valve finally I added fuel,let it idle down and was able to stop it. I talked to a person who worked on diesel locomotives and he told me he saw the same thing with a rotary, supercharged diesel locomotive. He told the engine he saw ran out of fuel while under load,revved way up and couldn't be shut off until someone put a piece of cardboard over the intake. He told me the theory was that the engines ran on the crankase oil,[don't ask me how], I have seen a patent that shows a high compression diesel type engine that is turbocharged, using a rotary vane air compressor that runs on air. Now I know this is impossible,[BUT] an engine with ten to one compression can have 210 lbs cold cranking pressure, can any one tell me how much pressure is developed in an engine with 27 to 1 compression with three atmospheres of turbo added, could air be explosive under this condition? Can some of you physicist out there tell me what happens when air is suddenly compressed to 3000 lbs with a glow plug at the top? Ask a few people who work on or with turbo diesels, you will be surprised how many have witnessed this personally. ANY COMENTS WOULD BE APRECIATED [PRO OR CON] THANKS WES crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM THANKS WES WESLEY CROSIAR PO BOX 268 SAN ANDREAS, CA. 95249 From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Fri Aug 9 15:47:42 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA00862; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:38:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:38:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: William Beaty To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Weird electrostatic story update X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: *** Reply to note of 08/08/96 20:05 From: DAVID E. SWENSON - 3M Company ELECTRICAL SPECIALTIES DIV. INTL TECH SERVICE- A144-4N-01 Subject: Weird electrostatic story update Bill, one small correction in the story .....the film was 20 feet wide and the rolls typically 50,000 feet long. From your description - plastic was only 20 feet long..... also the film was polypropylene (PP). I mentioned that it could have been worse if the film were PET. Best Regards, DAVID E. SWENSON From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Fri Aug 9 22:48:10 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA17377; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 22:45:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 22:45:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: William Beaty To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: It's in the WATER / Batteries / the bottle H2O runoff (fwd) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 12:19:13 -0500 From: Don Powell To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: It's in the WATER / Batteries / the bottle H2O runoff I've lost the original so I can't include text but concerning the AA battery dropped in a Coke bottle (plastic) filled with water and some salt: I did this an get similar results. The Brown scum and the green scum are two parts of the same thing. The battery contact are made of tin and copper. Hydrogen and Oxygen are highly reactive and corrode the contacts making rust (the brown stuff) and copper rust (copper oxide) the green stuff. As to the Implode or Explode not happening, I also saw that but in thinking about it I suspect that the Hydrogen and Oxygen are recombining with the Sodium and the Chlorine atoms of the salt instead of each other. That would explain the lack of "reaction". After 4 days my bottle has about 1" of green scum on the bottom but is still producing bubbles. The original author noted that the pressure did not build up in his experiment but it sure has in mine. It is weird, the 1.5 volts gasses at a slow rate and then at a certain pressure it stops gassing. (just like the CO2 in a diet coke). As soon as I open the top it releases a lot of bubbles and the as I cap it back it goes back to bubbling then slowing down as the pressure builds up. During none of the openings did I get any indication of combustion so I'm fairly sure that the gasses I'm releasing are not pure H and O. My nect attempt will be to build a little AC generator and use pure water. From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Fri Aug 9 23:22:12 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA20784; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 23:13:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 23:13:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: William Beaty To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: aerogel critters X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: BIO-AEROGEL SPECULATIONS (c)1996 William Beaty 1. In 1993 at the Exhibits shop where I worked someone was welding a galvanized electrical box to a steel frame in an exhibit case. This was unwise, since zinc evaporates at a low temperature, and zinc fumes are poisonous. But this is beside the point. When the sealed electrical box was opened, it was found to contain transparent blue-white feathery material akin to soap suds but with no visible bubbles. I recognized it as a type of aerogel. The welding was done adjacent to a small hole in the steel box, and zinc vapor apparently flowed into the hole and was deposited within the box. Apparently aerogels can form naturally; it doesn't take bizarre triple-point high pressure manipulations to create them. The resulting material was very strange: almost transparent, much lighter than Styrofoam, and as fragile as dry soap suds. 2. In 1989 Corum and Corum managed to produce "Ball Lightning" using carbon and a pair of large Tesla coils. They are of the opinion that the resulting "BL" is a material made up of hot, incandescent microscopic carbon percolation structure, i.e., carbon aerogel. See http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/tesla/ballgtn.html 3. Organic life is based upon water-based gel-like structures; upon microscopic solids embedded in liquids. 4. Trevor James Constable reports the existence of "sky creatures" which live in the atmosphere, are invisible, move under their own power, and can be photographed with IR film. And there have always been reports of glowing "will-o-the-wisp" objects which move through the air, which depart when chased, etc. PERHAPS ORGANIC LIFE HAS AN AEROGEL-ANALOG? Since it's not impossible that aerogels can form naturally, Atmospheric life forms might exist which are based on aerogels and electrostatics rather than on water-gels and ionic chemistry. The gas-based analog to ionic chemistry in solutions is plasma chemistry. Since unlike water, air is an insulator and can support long-range electric fields, an aerogel/plasma life form might propel itself by manipulating e-fields. Vertical motion would be easy to accomplish, since the atmosphere has a natural e-field which would apply up/down forces to a negatively or positively charged aerogel object. The existence of aerogel/plasma organisms would explain reports of distant moving lights at night, encounters with "will-o-the-wisps," and reports of ball lightning when thunderstorms are lacking. An aerogel creature would be as invisible as an underwater ice-cube, and might only be detectable when it causes slight optical distortion of background objects. If their density was low enough, small aerogel fragments might be present in quantity in the atmosphere without being noticed, since they would have about the same index of refraction as air. If they were composed of approximately the same material as natural aerosols, chemical analysis of the air would miss them. @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ SUGGESTED HOBBYIST EXPERIMENTS (as yet untried) ELECTROMETER ARRAY: build a long linear array of electrostatic voltmeters many tens of feet in length and mount it outdoors perpendicular to the usual wind direction. Record the outputs with a data logger. If small, electrically-charged objects should pass by over some of the electrometers, the location and possibly the size and height of the objects will be revealed in the recorded data. Even electrically-neutral objects might be detected if they distort the natural sky-voltage. Choose the location of the array judiciously, since these life forms might avoid cities and cities downwind areas, might avoid (or be attracted to) bodies of water, power lines, the turbulence of highways and their downwind pollution etc. IR SKY SURVEY: Set up IR cameras to watch for moving organisms. Inexpensive CCD video cameras and slow-frame security VCRs would make this fairly easy to accomplish. Deep-IR CCDs might turn up more interesting results, but at greater expense. If paired with the Electrometer Array, an IR camera could be triggered only when an e-field anomaly was detected. SCHLERIEN PHOTOGRAPHY: If a large telescope mirror,spotlight mirror, or fresnel lens is available, an outdoor Schlerien setup could be used to capture shadowgrams of possible aerogel objects. A laser or other powerful pointsource is directed at the mirror from many feet distance, and a lens is used to spread the source beam to cover the entire mirror. A knife-edge is placed at the focused image of the laser and adjusted to partially block the light. A few inches behind the knife edge, a lens-less CCD camera is placed. Any distortion in the air between the laser and the mirror will be projected as shadows upon the CCD camera (dip your hand in alcohol and hold it in the beam, and the camera should see your hand-shadow surrounded by rising vapors.) View the camera output, turn the contrast knob way up, and watch for moving structures. CRITTER NET: if aerogel organisms exist, then there should be an entire ecology of sky-creatures ranging from bacteria-analogs to higher forms. Perhaps these organisms or their detrius can be collected with a filter. If a large cone-shaped net of fine plastic mesh (bug screening from a tent?) is erected and allowed to filter material from the breeze, will a quantity of "invisible" aerogel matter be captured? Or perhaps a large metal object can be charged to a few tens of KV and attract aerogel matter to its surface from the air. How does one see an invisible aerogel? Use it to deflect a laser? Schlerien photography setup? View it with IR cameras? CARBON AEROGEL: try generating carbon aerogels in air or in an inert atmosphere. Cutting torches and electric arcs should both be tried. In my original observation, aerogel was formed when superheated vapor traveled through an orifice and encountered a cold metal plate. The zinc aerogel was the equivalent of soot, but it was deposited so quickly that it did not have time to pack into a solid white crust and instead built a gel structure. Non-oxygen environment is probably required; buckyballs and nanotubes turn to CO2 in normal air. If successful, try passing electric arcs and capacitor discharges through these aerogels. Ball lightning may be the result. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sat Aug 10 01:31:28 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA09983; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 01:27:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 01:27:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <320d4400.27778694@mail.netspace.net.au> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: rvanspaa@netspace.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: runs on air engines X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: On Fri, 9 Aug 1996 10:21:18 -0700 (PDT), wesly crosiar wrote: [snip] > ANY COMENTS WOULD BE APRECIATED [PRO OR CON] THANKS WES > =20 [snip] This may be a somewhat mundane explanation, but perhaps it's just running on the vapour of the fuel left in the system. Many special carburation systems designed and patented over the years, are based on vaporised fuel. With reports of many-fold improvements in efficiency, which might explain how it could run on to the point where people got sick of waiting for it to stop. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Check out: http://www.inett.com/himac Man is the creature that comes into this world knowing everything, Learns all his life, And leaves knowing nothing. -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sat Aug 10 04:59:14 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id EAA24923; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 04:47:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 04:47:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: pruyn@ad.nl (Fred Pruyn) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Goldin Statement on Possible Mars Life Discovery (fwd) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: At 06:10 09-08-1996, Charlie Hodgson wrote: >Todd Heywood wrote: >> On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, Ben Tammetta wrote: >> >> > Caenum wrote: >> > > >> > > >> Why has this suddenly acquired respectability now? Cellular fossi= ls >> > > >> were discovered in carbonaceous chondrite meteorites decades ago. >>Fred >> > > >> >> > > >Well, NASA's budget is being throttled yet again, and "life" is >> > > >sure to gain some public support. Excuse the cynicism. >> > -------------- Could it not be that Nasa and the Gov. like to >>introduce the existence of alien life gently, so it does not disrupt Society in one hard blow? See the Proposed Studies on the Implications of Peaceful Space Activities for Human Affairs, better known as the Brookings Report, from December 60's, page 181/4. They must have more than an inkling about Mars. I remember vaguely something about meteorite findings some years ago that contained some sort of virus in it. Could anyone elaborate on that? Thanks from the Netherlands, almost as far from Mars as you over there. =AD Fred From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sat Aug 10 09:30:22 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA29755; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 09:25:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 09:25:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: Tony Rusi To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: electrogravitics X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Last night Art Bell had the philadelphia experiment guy on. He said maxwell's equations as derived by maxwell are NOT what is taught in school now as maxwell's equations. He said the electrostatic equation was changed by some guy in 1875. I have a copy of Riemann's original work on shock waves from way back which is supposed to be "special" too. Anyway on this Bismuth layers in aluminum levitation thing. I'd like to the see the equations governing this phenomenon, be they new or old. From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sat Aug 10 16:16:43 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA21325; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 16:07:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 16:07:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608102208.RAA10660@odin.tcac.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: btr1255@tcac.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Sweet VTA X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: I would like to experiment with the Sweet VTA device. I've downloaded the info from Keelynet but really need more information. Is any one else exploring this device? What other sources of information are available? From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sat Aug 10 16:16:43 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA21182; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 16:06:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 16:06:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608102221.PAA24253@dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: "Dennis C. Lee" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Weird electrostatic story update X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: I assume that the equipment was running. Would this suggest a moving electric field and not a pure static electric field? At 07:03 PM 8/8/96 -0700, you wrote: >On 8/6/96, William Beaty wrote: > >> Here's an odd story. I heard it second-hand, so I'm not totally >> confident of its accuracy. I have a call in to the originator. >> A friend attended the 1995 ESD assn. symposium where a 3M engineer told >> of an interesting phenomenon at a factory in the south. The humidity was > >I talked with Dave Swenson, the 3M engineer involved. The geometry was >different than I originally heard. A roll of PET plastic film 20ft. long >was being unspooled. The sheet of film traveled 20ft upward, passed over >rollers, traveled 20ft horizontal, then down into "slitting" machines >where it was put onto smaller spools. The film traveled at 1000f/min >(10mph). The film had previously been processed so that its two faces were >dissimilar, so when it was peeled from the main roll, charge separation >occurred. And so the charged film formed a sort of huge tent-like >structure which one could walk under. > >The e-field around the equipment was so strong that workers could not >approach it for fear of triggering huge discharges. When the humidity was >low, an unusual effect took place: if you attempted to pass under the >"tent" you were stopped by something like "an invisible wall." >Additionally, the forces prevented you from turning your body, and you had >to walk backwards to move away. > >This from a large sheet of highly-charged plastic! > >Question: could the e-fields from such a setup be strong enough to prevent >a person from walking forward? I would think that they would be too weak, >and they would cause attraction rather than repulsion. Could the e-fields >affect the nervous system? Perhaps the strong fields attract something >else which then provides the "wall" effect. Aerosol/polymers? Dark >matter? :) > > >....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. >William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 >EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ >Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page > > > > > From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sun Aug 11 08:43:04 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA18017; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 08:37:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 08:37:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608111531.IAA25331@ns2.indirect.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: Reed Huish To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Sweet VTA X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: On Sat, 10 Aug 1996, btr1255@tcac.com wrote: >I would like to experiment with the Sweet VTA device. I've downloaded the >info from Keelynet but really need more information. Is any one else >exploring this device? What other sources of information are available? For six months I have employed an inventor who had evidence that he had built a smaller version of the Sweet device several years ago. I think he might have been able to do it, but he didn't keep good logs of his original invention and he wasn't really committed to the project. However, we learned that the Sweet device has numerous variables. This is not a project for an experimenter. What is needed is a magnetics expert, one that knows there are 14 kinds of magnetic fields, to delve into this project if any results are ever going to happen from Sweet's work. So my advice as one who has spent a lot of money and time in this project is to stay out. It is extremely complex. You can get sucked in with the promise of a working device that Sweet used to have, but it even took Sweet several years to duplicate the device and he knew how it worked! - Reed Reed Huish Zenergy Corporation 390 South Robins Way, Chandler Arizona 85225 Phone: 602.814.7865 Fax: 602.821.0967 Email: reedh@indirect.com From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mon Aug 12 10:31:40 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA02960; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 10:04:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 10:04:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <320F638C.2767@pi.net> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: MvD To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: electric rocket project (fwd) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: O X-Status: William Beaty wrote: > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 16:37:54 +0000 > From: Damon Yasevich > To: billb@eskimo.com > Subject: electric rocket project > > Bill - > > I saw the "Electric Rocket" project as I was perusing your site and > found it very interesting. I was just wondering if you've bad any > response from anyone who has actually built this? If so, what were the > results? I'm not sure I fully understand how this device's energy is > supposed to be harnessed either. > > Thanks for an entertaining site, > > Damon (cyberave@panix.com) Me too, ... -- ---------------------- Clacke's Law's of Prophesy FIRST LAW When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certain correct. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong. SECOND LAW The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible. THIRd LAW Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguisheble from magic. Dootingh@pi.net Utrecht The Netherlands From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mon Aug 12 15:13:13 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA02443; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 14:52:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 14:52:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608122016.PAA01666@ns.vvm.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: "Brent Davidson" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Sonoluminesence X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: I was looking through the articles on Bill's web page and ran across one on sonoluminescence. I was unaware that this was an actual field of study but speculated that it could be made into one after seeing the movie Chain Reaction. The main question I have about Sonoluminescence is this: I hydrogen the only thing released in the reaction or is there energy released in a form other than fuel? Brent Davidson (davidson@vvm.com) From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mon Aug 12 15:18:14 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA03721; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 14:57:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 14:57:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608122024.PAA01978@ns.vvm.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: "Brent Davidson" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: VTA and Mag-Lev X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: I recently read the articles on Bill's web page to cath myself up on this discussion. I am very interested in the VTA device. It looks like it would make a perfect companion to the Ion/Magnetic levitation systems that I posted. Are there any drawings or schematics of a VTA device? The documentation was a bit hard to visualize. I am thinking of starting a Web page dedicated to levitation and Ion propultion technology. If anyone has material on this subject, I would love to review as possible material to be included on this page. Thanks, Brent Davidson (davidson@vvm.com) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 13 06:39:04 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id GAA12566; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 06:35:40 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 06:35:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 09:34:54 -0400 (EDT) From: John Alexander Lotoski To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Sonoluminesence In-Reply-To: <199608122016.PAA01666@ns.vvm.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"WUT7C2.0.E43.hI84o"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > I was looking through the articles on Bill's web page and ran across > one on sonoluminescence. I was unaware that this was an actual field > of study but speculated that it could be made into one after seeing > the movie Chain Reaction. The main question I have about > Sonoluminescence is this: I hydrogen the only thing released in the > reaction or is there energy released in a form other than fuel? > > Brent Davidson (davidson@vvm.com) I didn't think that hydrogen was produced at all... As far as i understand sonoluminescense is accompanied by cavitation (formation of bubbles of dissovled gas) which will release just atmospheric gasses. As far as other energy output is concerned i'm not sure. I saw chain reaction and was extremely dissapointed. Bad acting, bad script, and bad science. I liked how they tried to mix sonoluminescense, fussion, and hydrogen formation into one experiment. (Maybe i misunderstood the 1/2 second explanation they gave) John From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 13 08:11:41 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id HAA25890; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 07:43:38 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 07:43:38 -0700 (PDT) From: MMcCoy@smtpmail.micro.honeywell.com (McCoy, Mark) To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com ('freenrg-l') Message-Id: <1996Aug13.094000.1650.256700@smtpmail.micro.honeywell.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail via PostalUnion/SMTP for Windows NT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 09:46:28 GMT Subject: Better World Technologies Resent-Message-ID: <"S-gXn2.0.LK6.zH94o"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Greetings everyone! While reading USA Today on Friday, August 9, I came across a 1/4 page ad for a company called Better World Technologies (3002 Route 23 North, New Foundland, NJ, 07435) who is advertising a series of informational seminars for what appears to be their free energy device. This is what the ad says: PREPARE TO BE AMAZED ... EVEN SHOCKED! AMERICA'S DECLARATION OF ENERGY INDEPENDENCE IS HERE... Better World Technologies, recipient of the International Inventor's Hall of Fame "Most Advanced Energy Technology Award," will kick off a tour of 34 cities across America on this fourth of July to demonstrate state of the art energy hardware to Americans. DISCOVER AN ENERGY TECHNOLOGY RE-EVOLUTION * make electricity on site anywhere at no operating cost. * supply unlimited fresh water anywhere at no operating cost. * Modify any existing engine to be powered without gasoline, batteries, or any exhaust * No more nuclear Power Plants and no more radioactive waste * Power all vehicles naturally with no more combustion at all * No more garbage pickups ever. Witness live demonstrations of real hardware with simple clear explanations that even non technical people can understand. discover the energy technology that can make you and your family totally energy independent. They then follow with a schedule of shows for August. QUESTION -- Does anyone out there know anything about this? Please post to the group so we can decide if we want to go see it. P.S. I especially like the part about no more garbage pickups ever! Thanks, and sorry for the typos. Mark McCoy mmccoy@smtpmail.micro.honeywell.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 13 11:16:56 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id LAA16550; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 11:07:35 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 11:07:35 -0700 (PDT) To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 13:35:20 PST Subject: Cold Fusion Message-ID: <19960813.140408.12359.0.cmannel@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.00 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1 From: cmannel@juno.com (Chet L. Mannel) Resent-Message-ID: <"AfCXa.0.S24.bHC4o"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Does anyone know which hole of obscurity Mssrs. Ponds and Fleischman have been sucked into? Just curious. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 13 12:42:16 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id MAA07786; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 12:38:57 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 12:38:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 13:38:42 -0600 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19960813122831.1a271b9c@holly.colostate.edu> X-Sender: trex@holly.colostate.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Thomas Rice Subject: Re: aerogel critters Resent-Message-ID: <"QwKec.0.Tv1.GdD4o"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: A At 11:13 PM 8/9/96 -0700, you wrote: >BIO-AEROGEL SPECULATIONS (c)1996 William Beaty > Hello Bill, Thank you for a great article. As I have followed UFO investigations for many years I was delighted to read your post. I am interested in any ideas and followups on your suggestions. To my knowledge, no one has ever suggested a 'bio-aerogel' model. "Plasma" is as close as it gets. I would like to point out to readers that a form of 'aerogel' has often been reported at sights of intense UFO activity, such as those in Salida, CO, one year ago. A material was reported falling from the sky, as 'angel-hair'. This material desolved(?), upon touching the ground, or in some cases, a person's hands. One individual claims to have caught some of the material in a mason jar, only to find it empty just an hour later. Any suggestions on preserving any sample(s) recovered? Thanks again. Sincerely, Thomas A. Rice From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 13 13:34:15 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id NAA19995; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 13:27:32 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 13:27:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <01BB892E.57D505E0@dfw70170.gte.net> From: Valued Acer Customer To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 15:44:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6Jb472.0.Hu4.oKE4o"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Unidentified subject! X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: re Mr. Rices re question about preserving angel dust (joke folks). but person who caught sample of angel here or silk hair in a mason jar. I wonder if the person could have sampled the amosphere in the jar. It seems to me it turned into a gaseous state and evidence of its pecularity might still be evident, or how about putting it immediatly into the fridge or dry ice might see if it crytalizes. just some thoughts. thanks mike slivinski. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 13 15:42:22 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id PAA19740; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 15:29:06 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 15:29:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <01BB893E.E5205660@dfw70170.gte.net> From: Valued Acer Customer To: "'freenrg-L@eskimo.com'" Subject: better world technowledgeies has web site search alta vista Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 17:42:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"jrHwd2.0.Kq4.B6G4o"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: re Mark McCoy, alta vista found web page site @http://www.hitznet.com/bwt/indexmn.htm , hope helpful. mike slivinski. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 13 20:17:43 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id UAA23235 for bilb@eskimo.com; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 20:17:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 20:17:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Envelope-From: dan@lakeweb.net Tue Aug 13 20:17:40 1996 Received: from zapcom.net (zapcom.net [204.189.58.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA23211 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 20:17:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from default (ppp23.zapcom.net [204.189.58.34]) by zapcom.net (8.7.5/8.6.10) with SMTP id UAA12134 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 20:17:25 -0700 Message-ID: <321145C5.4423@lakeweb.net> Old-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 20:19:33 -0700 From: Dan Bloomquist Organization: lakeWeb Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: better world technowledgeies has web site search alta vista References: <01BB893E.E5205660@dfw70170.gte.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list X-Envelope-To: freenrg-l Status: RO X-Status: Valued Acer Customer wrote: > > re Mark McCoy, > > alta vista found web page > site @http://www.hitznet.com/bwt/indexmn.htm , > hope helpful. mike slivinski. Dear List, I looked over this site. What a dissapointment. NOT A WORD about the techonology, just a lot of hipe about business. As far as I'm conserned the guy used to sell the Brooklin Bridge. This kind of garbage does nothing for real research into para-physics. This is the kind of guy that makes it difficult for valid work to be done. Point. IF HE REALLY CARED ABOUT THE WORLD, HE WOULD PUBLISH THE THEORY SO WE ALL COULD USE IT AND TRUELY CHANGE THINGS. Instead you get a lot of crap about him (and a picture of an old coke machine carbanator) I have said enough, maybe too much, but thanks for listening, Dan. (Next time I'll settle down and use a word prossessor for the spelling) -- Niccolo' Machiavelli, The Dale Carnagie of Fascism. (DanB) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 14 09:15:33 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id JAA08091; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:08:56 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:08:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 21:34:25 +0530 (GMT+5:30) From: MR PRASHANT R MEHTA To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: zinc air energy In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19960813122831.1a271b9c@holly.colostate.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"LDwTb2.0.E-1.MeV4o"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Does any body has any details about generating energy using zinc and air. I read somewhere that some body has developed a method. All and any info will be appreceated. ..prashant mehta harshu@giasbm01.vsnl.net.in From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 14 20:01:08 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id TAA05295; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 19:48:17 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 19:48:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 19:47:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: The Magnetic Current and Single Magnetic Charges Resent-Message-ID: <"yQkDF3.0.aI1.l_e4o"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: From: newman-l@emachine.com (Newman-l) Subject: Re: The Magnetic Current and Single Magnetic Charges Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 17:06:00 GMT Organization: The Energy Machine Information System 504-734-0526 To: josephnewman@earthlink.net From: bauer.d@krypta.aball.de (Wolf-Dietrich Bauer) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 19:06:00 +0200 Subject: Re: The Magnetic Current and Single Magnetic Charges I want to complete here the information given by Evan Soule' about the research of Ehrenhaft. The latest results of Ehrenhaft (only in German language available) you find in the volumes of ACTA PHYSICA AUSTRIACA from 1949 - 1953. Ehrenhaft died in 1952 in Vienna after getting back his chair in physics at the university there. In the last time confirming experiments were made by Mikhailov from Kazakhstan (see J.Phys. D: Appl. Phys. 29 (1996) 801-804 . >From principle it is clear that a magnetic monopol implies at the first (short) sight violation of energy conservation because a single magnetic charge can be accelated infinitively on the path of a closed magnetic field line. Practically it is more difficult. The practical useful monopoles found by Ehrenhaft on iron particles in the dark are quite seldom and tiny and have not been reproduced until today. The other monopoles found exist only under intense light irradiation and showed no linear force dependence from the field applied. A zoo of force law was found dependent from every individual particle. And the last problem - a useful theory does not exist. Therefore, no confident quantitative prediction is possible which would let to estimate whether these effect allow a machine to be designed. With best regards Dieter Bauer -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- I Krypta.snafu.de (Public InterNet Site) FidoNet/UseNet/Fax - Gateway I I KRYPTA!!! The Power-BBS in the centre of Europe. Always at your service. I ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- COPYRIGHT NOTICE: Messages posted to this mailing list may not be reposted or used without the List Owners permission. Fair Use exceptions apply. For further information, contact ralph.hartwell@emachine.com. Send list Replies to: Newman-L@emachine.com To subscribe or unsubscribe this list, put the command SUBSCRIBE NEWMAN-L or UNSUBSCRIBE NEWMAN-L in the body of your message to: Listserv@Emachine.com ----- Processed with Listserv v2.91 for Wildcat v4 ----- Dear Mr. Bauer, Thanks for the update on Dr. Ehrenhaft! Evan Soule' P.S. I wonder if the volumes of ACTA PHYSICA AUSTRIACA contain copies of the microphotographs (w/the "cascading" spirals)? If so, do you know of anyone who might have access to the volumes and would be able to scan and post the photographs as a gif on the internet? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 14 20:39:03 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id UAA16179; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 20:36:33 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 20:36:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199608150329.UAA15985@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 20:35:52 +0900 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: better world technowledgeies has web site search alta vista Resent-Message-ID: <"gAGr42.0.Wy3._if4o"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 05:42 PM 8/13/96 -0500, you wrote: >re Mark McCoy, > >alta vista found web page >site @http://www.hitznet.com/bwt/indexmn.htm , >hope helpful. mike slivinski. > > I found it but I sure doubt it is useful...Dennis Lee has been in bigger doodoo than Newman. His story just does not ring even close to truth and frankly, every Christ-On-My-Shirtsleeve Christian that I have met and interacted with enough to get to know has proven out to be ethically dishonest. I suppose however that someone is going to get the material and review it... ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 15 11:24:08 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id LAA22208 for bilb@eskimo.com; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 11:23:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 11:23:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Envelope-From: frolov.spb.ru!alex@frolov.spb.ru Thu Aug 15 11:23:41 1996 Received: from dux.ru (ns.dux.ru [193.125.210.65]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA22101 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 11:23:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frolov.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by dux.ru (8.7.5/8.7.5/8.7.5) with UUCP id WAA09835 for freenrg-l@eskimo.com; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 22:22:12 +0400 (MSD) Received: by frolov.spb.ru (UUPC/@ v6.14g, 06Jun95) id AA28334; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 22:03:17 +0400 (MSD) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Message-Id: Organization: Private person From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Old-Date: Fri, 16 Aug 96 22:03:17 +0400 X-Mailer: BML [MS/DOS Beauty Mail v1.36h] Lines: 149 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list X-Envelope-To: freenrg-l Status: RO X-Status: >From alex Fri Aug 16 21:54:18 MSD 1996 Gravitation Field as Negative Time Area The "time" is not affected by "gravitation" in the sense of "cause-effect". Yes, it is two connected phenomenons and it is possible to wrote the next formula mc^2 = hf F.1 where hf is electromagnetic field energy and mc^2 is gravitation field energy. Here h is Planck constant, f is frequency, m is mass, c is light velocity. So, m = (h/c^2)f F.2 or m = (h/c^2)(1/T) F.3 where (h/c^2) is new constant. If someone can remember old name for this constant between mass m and period of oscillation T, I'll very grateful for help. I did not saw this constant before and I named it as cronal constant because it demonstrate mass and time correlation. This equation is used in my lecture of June 1996, New Ideas in Natural Sciences, conference in St.-Petersburg, Russia. So, it is clear that if gravitation field is increasing, other part of the equation (frequency) must be increasing also. So, time period is decreasing since f=1/T. It is process of creation for mass by means of electromagnetic oscillations. More frequency - more energy - more massive elementary particle. But in macro-world we can observe that the gravitation field of more massive body make more long period of photon's oscillations, and increase of period correspond to time rate deceleration. It is pre-condition for some conclusion: Space is created as balanced structure like paired forces by Newton. Local area of high frequency electromagnetic oscillations those produce mass-effect M must be compansated by some change of structure of space, i.e. around mass M must be produced (induction phenomenon) some field and this field is electromagneic oscillations also. This inducted compensational field is gravitation field of mass. This is my understanding of electromagnetics and gravitation unification. There is balance: f > 0 inside of mass is correspond to f < 0 outside of mass. Time T > 0 inside of mass and time T < 0 around mass. Any body produce +t for itself and -t as gravitation field around itself. So, big mass body must produce more negative time value in space around mass M that correspond to changes of spectrum (wave length) for light beam that is travling near massive body. Any clock have own +time for itself but in powerful -time near massive body total time rate is lesser as sum of +time and -time. . . . M . . oscillations . gravitation field - M . f > 0 . oscillations . t > 0 . frequency f < 0 . . ^^^^^^^ t < 0 ^^^^^^^^^^ What is f<0 for oscillations? ^^^^^^^ I hope that for radioengineers (like me) it is clear. If you have some frequency f1 as carrier and some frequency f2 as modulation frequency, for ratio f1>f2 it is ordinary case, signal f1 is changing with frequency of modulation f2. Measurements are producing for one point of space. Amplitude, phase or other parameter of electromagnetic wave is changing as time function for one point of space. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ If f2>f1 the modulation of signal is possible but all wave must be changing by modulation law with f2 in all points of the wave. It is not wave but stress field like electrostatic field. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The example above is relative case for f1 and f2. If f1=0, i.e. for constant current value or electrostatic field, value of frequency f2 can be more than zero or lesser than zero. So, f2 is positive or negative. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ So, inside of mass there is ordinary electromagnetic wave (f>0) but it is compensated by external f<0 oscillations of electromagnetic energy density in all points of space round the body that is possible for electrostatic field. Sure, value f is the same for both cases. The gravitation field round some mass - particle is electrostatic high frequency field 10^26 [Hz] for proton, for example. Control on the gravitation is possible by similar way, as Hooper showed. Conclusion: The time rate changes in gravitation field of massive body is result of sum for +t (own time effect of clock) and -t of gravitation field of this massive body. Sure, it is possible to obtain zero or negative sum for +t of clock and -t of gravitation field. Such strong gravitation field is known as black hole. For total time (+t) + (-t) = 0 there is no any oscillations of energy in the clock or in other object that is placed in strong (-t) i.e. in gravitation field. Zero time is zero frequency. By F.2 it is correspond to zero mass. So, mass of object that is traveling near massive body must be decreasing up to zero. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Photon that is traveling near massive body change its wave-length in red area of spectrum. It is decreasing of electromagnetic mass also. I hope that this explanation for time and gravitation field correlation is interesting enough to be published. If someone can help to develop this ideas and publish it in press, I'm ready to discuss this topic in detailes and in mathematics. This concept can explane attraction of massive bodies to each other and so on. Please, take my apologies for my english. I try use simple words. In russian this concept is described in more nice and clear view. Alexander V. Frolov Engineer-Expert alex@frolov.spb.ru P.O.Box 37, St.-Petersburg, 193024, Russia 7-812-2747877 šššššššššššššššš From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 16 05:01:27 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id EAA11379; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 04:59:12 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 04:59:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "Robert Brown" Organization: Bell College of Technology To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 12:57:46 GMT Subject: runs on air engines Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-Id: <19033A7589@resource.bell.ac.uk> Resent-Message-ID: <"pxqaR3.0.dn2.FA65o"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Wes wrote >In one of my prior messages I asked if anyone knew about diesel {run >on}, I have had several people who have worked on diesels verify this >happens. I once saw it myself. I was running a 600cfm turbocharged air >compressor which ran out of fuel, and I couldn't shut it off, even when I >turned off the fuel line valve finally I added fuel,let it idle down and was > able to stop it.......... For what it`s worth? I personally know little about engines but I asked my father who was responsible for maintaining the internal transport of the company he worked for. Mostly diesels. He told me that in his experience "run on" could occur when the cylinders "carbon up" due to dirty air cleaners. The carbon in the cylinder glowed and since the fuel was inefficiently burnt due to lack of air, sometimes the engine would continue to run for a short time on the residue ignited by the glowing carbon. He also suggested that since all engines run better on damp days maybe added moisture had something to do with it. Rammed in by the turbo? Remember the old fighter planes during WW2? Some had a water injection system fitted ,to be used only in emergencies, to aid a speedy escape from the enemy. The pump was hand operated. Some pilots (understandably) got so enthusiastic about escaping that they injected too much water causing the engine to explode. Since my father had little experience on turbo diesels he asked a mechanic friend about it. Yes he had heard of it. In fact he had just recently towed a man off the motorway who`s engine had blown up. He said this problem was common in Ford turbo diesels. This man drove a Ford Sierra turbo diesel. He was driving down the road at 60mph. when he noticed his speed increasing. Removing his foot from the accelerator, his speed continued to climb to 70mph. He applied the brakes and then the hand brake to no effect. He started to panick as the speed climbed past 80mph. with all brakes applied. There was black smoke belching from the exhaust. He disengaged the gears and pulled into the roadside where his engine promptly overreved and blew up. The bearings on the turbo are pressure fed with oil from the engines internal lubrication system. In the above case the bearing seals had collapsed or failed. The turbo then sucked in the lube oil, compressed it, and charged the cylinders with it, acting as a fuel, over which the man had no control. What you wrote Wes seems a bit different so maybe the above isn`t on the same track at all. As I said I don`t really know about engines and am only relating what I`ve bee told. Hope it`s interesting if not helpful. Robert. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 16 12:03:37 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id LAA26623; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 11:59:38 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 11:59:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 14:54:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199608161854.OAA10851@core.greenapple.com> X-Sender: jshriver@greenapple.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: james shriver Subject: Link Site Resent-Message-ID: <"FM1e4.0.qV6.NKC5o"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi everyone I'm starting a new link site that has telnet and www sites on it.I hope to soon put some ftp and gopher sites up also.The reason I'm posting this is to request any and all telnet,ftp,gopher,WWW sites that you can think of to post to the site.I would like to categorize the sites as soon as I get enough of them to do so.I.E. all medievil sites,free energy sites,game sites,reference etc.I hope to eventually get a domain name and put a search engine on it.Any help would be appreciated.Thanks.Oh the url is http://www.greenapple.com/~jshriver/index4.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 17 09:54:39 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id JAA03586; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 09:50:58 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 09:50:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 09:53:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608171653.JAA01213@claim.goldrush.com> X-Sender: crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wesly crosiar Subject: Edwards solar cell effect Resent-Message-ID: <"Zf_W5.0.vt.lXV5o"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > >To: freenrgl@eskimo.com >From: wesly crosiar >Subject: Edwards solar cell effect > >Has anyone checked out edwards solar cell effect, located at: >www,livelinks.com/sumeria/free/edwards.html If someone wants to do this >project,I can probably get them the solar sent to them wholesale, the whole >project shouldn't cost more than 60 dollars or so and maybe 1 hour of your >time, it seems like a logical way to extract electrostatic energy. > THANKS WES >crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM >WESLEY CROSIAR >PO BOX 268 >SAN ANDREAS, CA. 95249 > > crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM THANKS WES WESLEY CROSIAR PO BOX 268 SAN ANDREAS, CA. 95249 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 17 10:27:00 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id KAA09880; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 10:26:12 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 10:26:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 10:25:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Tony Rusi To: "Chet L. Mannel" cc: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Cold Fusion In-Reply-To: <19960813.140408.12359.0.cmannel@juno.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"kXQCq.0.DQ2.p2W5o"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: There in a small town in France. Not Remulack. On Tue, 13 Aug 1996, Chet L. Mannel wrote: > Does anyone know which hole of obscurity Mssrs. Ponds and Fleischman have > been sucked into? Just curious. > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 17 11:58:00 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id LAA27945; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 11:57:11 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 11:57:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 11:56:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: The Magnetic Current and Single Magnetic Charges Resent-Message-ID: <"w-cB22.0.Rq6.4OX5o"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: From: newman-l@emachine.com (Newman-l) Subject: Re: The Magnetic Current and Single Magnetic Charges Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 15:12:00 GMT Organization: The Energy Machine Information System 504-734-0526 To: josephnewman@earthlink.net From: bauer.d@krypta.aball.de (Wolf-Dietrich Bauer) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 17:12:00 +0200 Subject: Re: The Magnetic Current and Single Magnetic Charges In his last mail Evan Soule' asked how to get Ehrenhaft articles and pictures. In principle you should find the scientific journal ACTA PHYSICA AUSTRIACA in every bigger and older library of a technical university. You can get it at other places by interlibrary loan. In the volumes from 1949-1953 there you find many pictures of moving toroids, monopoles and photophoretic patterns which Ehrenhaft monitored often by stroboscopic techniques. The pictures are not very neat, mostly quite dark and probably difficult to post in the net because the loss of quality. The big review article from Ehrenhaft about his work you find in Act. phys. Austr. vol.4,461,(1951) or Act. phys. Austr. vol.5, 12, 1952 (I do not know exactly - probably the last source). best regard Dieter Bauer -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- I Krypta.snafu.de (Public InterNet Site) FidoNet/UseNet/Fax - Gateway I I KRYPTA!!! The Power-BBS in the centre of Europe. Always at your service. 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Send list Replies for the Newman Forum to: Newman-L@emachine.com To subscribe or unsubscribe this list, put the command SUBSCRIBE NEWMAN-L or UNSUBSCRIBE NEWMAN-L in the body of your message to: Listserv@Emachine.com ----- Processed with Listserv v2.91 for Wildcat v4 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 17 12:59:21 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id MAA12895; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 12:58:32 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 12:58:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 12:58:28 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: Thomas Rice cc: freenrg-l@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: aerogel critters In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19960813122831.1a271b9c@holly.colostate.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"T57np.0.N93.dHY5o"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Tue, 13 Aug 1996, Thomas Rice wrote: > At 11:13 PM 8/9/96 -0700, you wrote: > >BIO-AEROGEL SPECULATIONS (c)1996 William Beaty > > > Hello Bill, > Thank you for a great article. As I have followed UFO > investigations for many years I was delighted to read your post. I am > interested in any ideas and followups on your suggestions. > To my knowledge, no one has ever suggested a 'bio-aerogel' model. > "Plasma" is as close as it gets. Yeah, while I was thinking about naturally occurring aerogels and the connection with ball lightning, it hit me: "plasma" lifeforms might actually have solid structure, and the plasma would just be the equivalent of the underwater chemistry which occurs in conventional life. Even though carbon aerogel might fall apart in oxygen, aero-life chemistry might maintain abnormal gas mixtures inside the organism. Without oxygen, carbon aerogel structures could exist, and these could involve all sorts of exotic nanostructures like buckyballs, nanotubes, webs, etc. Not to say that conventional water-based life doesn't have such things. The 'cytoskeleton' and all the sub-organelle structures in cells are a fairly unexplored area. At about the same time as this I was talking with Frank S. locally, who says he saw a 'critter' years ago when he was experimenting with an old IR viewer. He says it was on his lawn, he could stick his hand into it and feel something slightly, but without the IR scope there was nothing visible. His cats could see it, or at least responded to it (smell?) > I would like to point out to readers that a form of 'aerogel' has > often been reported at sights of intense UFO activity, such as those in > Salida, CO, one year ago. A material was reported falling from the sky, as > 'angel-hair'. This material desolved(?), upon touching the ground, or in > some cases, a person's hands. One individual claims to have caught some of > the material in a mason jar, only to find it empty just an hour later. Any > suggestions on preserving any sample(s) recovered? One of the subscribers on vortex-L reports experiencing this as a kid. He says that the 'hair' would disappear if you rubbed it between fingers. His suggestion for future: jam pack a sealed jar with great gobs of the stuff, so when it turns to gas, you have a concentrated sample of the gas. (But if it's living carbon aerogel, all that's left might be CO2.) Another idea: spread it on black paper and spray it with Krylon clear, as is done with spiderwebs. Even if it vanishes, you'll be left with visible molds of the shape. Plastic casting might even be useful for investigations. If the 'hair' has microscopic structures, these might be recorded in the casting and be viewable with an SEM. I wonder if air pollution damages such lifeforms (if they exist, of course!) If aero-life is a fragile ecology, they might already be wiped out. Or, maybe they EAT pollution, and investigations should be done downwind of industry. ................................freenrg-L.................................... William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd Moderator: FREENRG-L VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 19 10:16:55 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id KAA17469; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 10:01:21 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 10:01:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 10:00:33 -0700 Message-Id: <199608191700.KAA01754@ns2.indirect.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Reed Huish Subject: Testing Recommendations To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.10.06.22 Resent-Message-ID: <"I_SL63.0.nG4.Vt96o"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I am requesting recommendations for testing laboratories. We have an over-unity motor which produces appx. 40 HP that needs to be tested with a dynamometer. Who are the most credible labs to go to? NIST, EPRI, CTC/NASA? Any suggestions? A lab in the Southwest, Arizona or California, would be most preferable. Thanks, Reed Huish Zenergy Corporation 390 South Robins Way, Chandler Arizona 85225 Phone: 602.814.7865 Fax: 602.821.0967 Email: reedh@indirect.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 19 17:58:42 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id RAA21218 for bilb@eskimo.com; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 17:58:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 17:58:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Envelope-From: richarda@icx.net Mon Aug 19 17:58:27 1996 Received: from mailhub.icx.net (mailhub.icx.net [206.96.250.12]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA21141 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 17:58:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [206.96.251.78] (pm1i.icx.net [206.96.251.78]) by mailhub.icx.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA20649 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 20:15:34 -0400 Old-Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 20:15:34 -0400 X-Sender: richarda@mailhub.icx.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: richarda@icx.net (Richard Austin) Subject: Re: Fueless Engine (fwd) X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list X-Envelope-To: freenrg-l Status: RO X-Status: Has anyone read the book "The Awesome Life Force" by Joseph H. Cater? In Chapter 21, Practical "Free Energy Divices" Which Could Revolutionize Our Way of Living, he discusses how to build a Hubbard energy generator. Has anyone tried his approach? Richard Austin -- email: richarda@icx.net -- radio: KG7SU http://www.rt66.com/~richard/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 20 06:02:42 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id GAA23995; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 06:00:39 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 06:00:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Robert Brown" Organization: Bell College of Technology To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 13:58:47 GMT Subject: Re: Edwards solar cell effect Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-Id: <5DB3F723B3@resource.bell.ac.uk> Resent-Message-ID: <"ULavi.0.ks5.sRR6o"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > >To: freenrgl@eskimo.com > >From: wesly crosiar > >Subject: Edwards solar cell effect > > > >Has anyone checked out edwards solar cell effect, located at: > >www,livelinks.com/sumeria/free/edwards.html If someone wants to do this > >project,I can probably get them the solar sent to them wholesale, the whole > >project shouldn't cost more than 60 dollars or so and maybe 1 hour of your > >time, it seems like a logical way to extract electrostatic energy. > > THANKS WES > crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM THANKS WES > WESLEY CROSIAR > PO BOX 268 > SAN ANDREAS, CA. 95249 > > Yes Wes I checked it out but haven`t tried it yet with a solar cell. I did try using only a tinfoil covered cork tile. I got a voltage reading in the millivolts but no amps. I wondered if I was also tuning in to some local radio station. I know that it is possible to build a crystal radio set that is powered entirely by the signal. As you say it seems a promising way to tap static. Sounds a bit like Teslas idea of a free energy receiver collecting "cosmic rays." He said that if a large insulated metal plate was placed high above the ground with a capacitor between the plate and earth. The plate was now charging the capacitor. He also claimed it worked at night too. Robert From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 20 06:50:37 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id GAA03819 for bilb@eskimo.com; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 06:50:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 06:50:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Envelope-From: richarda@icx.net Tue Aug 20 06:50:34 1996 Received: from mailhub.icx.net (mailhub.icx.net [206.96.250.12]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA03799 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 06:50:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [206.96.251.86] (pm1q.icx.net [206.96.251.86]) by mailhub.icx.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA25651 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 09:08:27 -0400 Old-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 09:08:27 -0400 X-Sender: richarda@mailhub.icx.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: richarda@icx.net (Richard Austin) Subject: Hubbard energy generator X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list X-Envelope-To: freenrg-l Status: RO X-Status: Has anyone read the book "The Awesome Life Force" by Joseph H. Cater? In Chapter 21, Practical "Free Energy Divices" Which Could Revolutionize Our Way of Living, he discusses how to build a Hubbard energy generator. Has anyone tried his approach? Richard Austin -- email: richarda@icx.net -- radio: KG7SU http://www.rt66.com/~richard/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 20 09:18:32 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id JAA07131; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 09:09:56 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 09:09:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <321AC882.1473@dove.mtx.net.au> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 01:27:46 -0700 From: Glenville Sawyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Caduceaus Coil ... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"TeynB3.0.9l1.2DU6o"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Sorry about the spelling ! I read somewhere in the N-G's a few days ago about someone investigating matter / etc .... anyway the statement was made that ... "What was observed was a helical or spiral pattern, under greater magnification a further spiral was noted within the original structure" Sure so we are talking here about the double helix ... Read on .. My point being here is that has anyone tried using the "Coiled Coil" - or perhaps Bi-Filar (or greater) windings and then forming this "Sub-Scalar" coil into the main (larger) Cad' coil ? Looking at this coil from an R.F / Impedance viewpoint I visualize cancellations occuring at each of the nodal points ( like the same type of techniques that one uses to construct a "non-inductive" Resistive element) - in this case how could one best decide what frequency to energise a Cad' coil, it would be nigh on impossible to predict the frequency at which it would show maximum "Q", any added capacitance would tend to be reactive in conjunction with the coil. I throw this 0.02c worth in to see what others on the list think or have already discovered. Here is something that I want to try - build a small array of Cad' coils in the manner I have suggested above, check for field alignments / cancellations across the array, study and document what (if any) other Electromagnetic effects are observed, do more elements in the array create a "tighter" beam pattern - or vice versa ? I also read that one experimenter noted a coil excited by microwave energy (frequency was not quoted), appeared to make small "hops" on the test bench - are we seeing here some gravitic effect occuring ? Again this is why I think it is important to know exactly where in the spectrum your coil performs best - or design to suit a particular Radio Frequency. If it WAS a gravitic / E-M phenomena, then this surely deserves a lot more research and above all documentation so the experiment can be duplicated - to allow repeated observations to be made. If you are working on Cad' coils, then please let the list know where you are up to in your research - publish your findings here. Best regards to all. Glenville T. Sawyer gsawyer@dove.net.au "O.K so I've pulled out the pin vk5zcf@vk5lz (ampr.org) What now ? .... Hey why are MID-FM 87.6 Kapunda S.A you all running away .... " (085) 66-3600 (Business hrs ONLY). or you might try .. kapunda@hotmail.com - great FREE email server, accessible from anywhere in the world - no need to dial your own ISP when away from home ! - and you can even retrieve your normal POP mail ! ( this is NOT an advert - nor a SPAM, I am just impressed with what is being provided by this site ). http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 20 18:15:45 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id SAA17498; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 18:11:33 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 18:11:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 18:09:19 -0700 Message-Id: <199608210109.SAA25412@dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: atech@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Glenville Sawyer , freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: "Dennis C. Lee" Subject: Re: Caduceaus Coil ... Resent-Message-ID: <"Ka3Vb1.0.FH4.39c6o"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I attended Glen Reim's lecture on his research on the effect caducius coils have on water at this year's Psychotronics Convention in Columbus Ohio (highly recommended). He believes that caducius coils will impress virtually an infinite number of energy patterns or topologies depending on winding angle, power supply characteristics, caducius type, etc. He tested the water for UV absorbtion, heat transfer characteristics etc. The impressed energy patterns in the water lasts for 5 - 6 days. This contrasts with George Merkl's method of impressing energy into water (a solar distillation process) which doesn't seem to wear off as easily if at all. One fellow in the audience suggested a winding angle of 19.45 degrees. He said this angle had something to do with the angle solar energy enters the atmosphere to form the Aurora Borealis... I have also considered the nested coil structure you mention. I believe light bulb filiments have three levels of this coil nesting. If a current in a first order coil produces a magnetic field, then a second order coil, or coiling the magnetic field, should produce a gravity field? Coiling the gravity field produces a time field? etc. Of course there's the question of tuning for resonance... Perhaps experimenting with a signal generator and a light bulb filiment? Regards; Dennis C. Lee At 01:27 AM 8/21/96 -0700, you wrote: >Sorry about the spelling ! > > I read somewhere in the N-G's a few days ago about someone investigating >matter / etc .... anyway the statement was made that ... > >"What was observed was a helical or spiral pattern, under greater >magnification a further spiral was noted within the original structure" > > Sure so we are talking here about the double helix ... Read on .. > > > > My point being here is that has anyone tried using the "Coiled Coil" > - or perhaps Bi-Filar (or greater) windings and then forming this > "Sub-Scalar" coil into the main (larger) Cad' coil ? > > Looking at this coil from an R.F / Impedance viewpoint I visualize >cancellations occuring at each of the nodal points ( like the same type >of techniques that one uses to construct a "non-inductive" Resistive >element) - in this case how could one best decide what frequency to >energise a Cad' coil, it would be nigh on impossible to predict the >frequency at which it would show maximum "Q", any added capacitance >would tend to be reactive in conjunction with the coil. > > I throw this 0.02c worth in to see what others on the list think or have >already discovered. > > Here is something that I want to try - build a small array of Cad' coils >in the manner I have suggested above, check for field alignments / >cancellations across the array, study and document what (if any) other >Electromagnetic effects are observed, do more elements in the array >create a "tighter" beam pattern - or vice versa ? > > I also read that one experimenter noted a coil excited by microwave >energy (frequency was not quoted), appeared to make small "hops" >on the test bench - are we seeing here some gravitic effect occuring ? > > Again this is why I think it is important to know exactly where in the >spectrum your coil performs best - or design to suit a particular >Radio Frequency. > > If it WAS a gravitic / E-M phenomena, then this surely deserves a lot >more research and above all documentation so the experiment can be >duplicated - to allow repeated observations to be made. > > > If you are working on Cad' coils, then please let the list know where >you are up to in your research - publish your findings here. > > Best regards to all. > > Glenville T. Sawyer > >gsawyer@dove.net.au "O.K so I've pulled out the pin >vk5zcf@vk5lz (ampr.org) What now ? .... Hey why are >MID-FM 87.6 Kapunda S.A you all running away .... " >(085) 66-3600 (Business hrs ONLY). > >or you might try .. >kapunda@hotmail.com - great FREE email server, accessible from > anywhere in the world - no need to dial your > own ISP when away from home ! - and you can > even retrieve your normal POP mail ! > >( this is NOT an advert - nor a SPAM, I am just impressed with what is > being provided by this site ). > > http://www.hotmail.com > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 20 21:19:01 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id VAA02539; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 21:16:33 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 21:16:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 15:54:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608202254.PAA17646@claim.goldrush.com> X-Sender: crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wesly crosiar Subject: creative science Resent-Message-ID: <"f96fr3.0.Zd.Wse6o"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: To All: Just got a letter from creative science, they offered me 25,000 to find them a buyer, they are selling their energy business for [ONLY]250,000.00 They shouldn't have any problem selling for that price if only one tenth of what they say is true, problem is, I don't believe one tenth of what they say is true, if it is they haven't proven it to me!! Thanks WES crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM THANKS WES WESLEY CROSIAR PO BOX 268 SAN ANDREAS, CA. 95249 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 20 23:25:45 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id XAA23970 for bilb@eskimo.com; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 23:25:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 23:25:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Envelope-From: jfajber@qrtz.com Tue Aug 20 23:25:41 1996 Received: from aphex.direct.ca (root@aphex.direct.ca [199.60.229.6]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA23939 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 23:25:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from van-as-09a11.direct.ca ([204.174.245.11]) by aphex.direct.ca with SMTP id <269531-3140>; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 23:25:07 -0700 X-Sender: jfajber@direct.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Old-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 22:43:11 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: jfajber@qrtz.com (James Fajber) Subject: Bifield-Brown Thoughts Message-Id: <96Aug20.232507-0700pdt.269531-3140+613@aphex.direct.ca> X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list X-Envelope-To: freenrg-l Status: RO X-Status: Greetings from Lurkerdom, I haven't seen this idea anywhere, so I'm posting it. The little that I've read about the Bifield-Brown effect indicates that the effect occurs even in a vacuum (ie it is not simply an ionic wind). The Brown patent also emphasizes that the effect is stronger when the electric potential is highly non-linear. The more non-linear, the stronger the effect. So my thought is that the Bifield-Brown effect is the following: When an area of space at a very high potential is next to an area of space of low potential, the virtual particles which exist in the high potential can "tunnel out" into the low potential and become real physical particles. The thrust in the B-B effect would be the quantum mechanical emission of particles. Momentum would (somehow) be transferred to the charged plate keeping conservation of momentum. So if anyone is doing a B-B type experiment, it would be interesting to test for radiation being emitted from the charged plate (other than ion wind, of course). Would a simple photographic film work ? James Fajber PS This would also explain why the upper charged plate is so much larger than the lower charged plate. If the emitted particles hit the bottom plate, there would be no net thrust. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 20 23:35:01 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id XAA25078; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 23:33:17 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 23:33:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: jfajber@direct.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 22:50:45 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: jfajber@direct.ca (James Fajber) Subject: Bifield-Brown Thoughts Message-Id: <96Aug20.233245-0700pdt.269527-3137+587@aphex.direct.ca> Resent-Message-ID: <"1u73k.0.k76.isg6o"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Greetings from Lurkerdom, I haven't seen this idea anywhere, so I'm posting it. The little that I've read about the Bifield-Brown effect indicates that the effect occurs even in a vacuum (ie it is not simply an ionic wind). The Brown patent also emphasizes that the effect is stronger when the electric potential is highly non-linear. The more non-linear, the stronger the effect. So my thought is that the Bifield-Brown effect is the following: When an area of space at a very high potential is next to an area of space of low potential, the virtual particles which exist in the high potential can "tunnel out" into the low potential and become real physical particles. The thrust in the B-B effect would be the quantum mechanical emission of particles. Momentum would (somehow) be transferred to the charged plate keeping conservation of momentum. So if anyone is doing a B-B type experiment, it would be interesting to test for radiation being emitted from the charged plate (other than ion wind, of course). Would a simple photographic film work ? James Fajber PS This would also explain why the upper charged plate is so much larger than the lower charged plate. If the emitted particles hit the bottom plate, there would be no net thrust. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 21 10:59:47 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id KAA25557; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 10:51:40 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 10:51:40 -0700 (PDT) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Message-Id: Organization: Private person From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Date: Thu, 22 Aug 96 21:49:42 +0400 X-Mailer: BML [MS/DOS Beauty Mail v1.36h] Lines: 146 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_FJFx1.0.CF6.goq6o"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Unidentified subject! X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/29 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Gravitation Field as Negative Time Area The "time" is not affected by "gravitation" in the sense of "cause-effect". Yes, it is two connected phenomenons and it is possible to wrote the next formula mc^2 = hf F.1 where hf is electromagnetic field energy (or time flow energy) and mc^2 is gravitation field energy. Here h is Planck constant, f is frequency, m is mass, c is light velocity. So, m = (h/c^2)f F.2 or m = (h/c^2)(1/T) F.3 where (h/c^2) is new constant. If someone can remember old name for this constant between mass m and period of oscillation T, I'll very grateful for help. I did not saw this constant before and I named it as cronal constant because it demonstrate mass and time correlation. This equation is used in my lecture of June 1996, New Ideas in Natural Sciences, conference in St.-Petersburg, Russia. So, it is clear that if gravitation field is increasing, other part of the equation (frequency) must be increasing also. So, time period is decreasing since f=1/T. It is process of creation for mass by means of electromagnetic oscillations. More frequency - more energy - more massive elementary particle. But in macro-world we can observe that the gravitation field of more massive body make more long period of photon's oscillations, and increase of period correspond to time rate deceleration. It is pre-condition for some conclusion: Space is created as balanced structure like paired forces by Newton. Local area of high frequency electromagnetic oscillations those produce mass-effect M must be compansated by some change of structure of space, i.e. around mass M must be produced (induction phenomenon) some field and this field is electromagneic oscillations also. This inducted compensational field is gravitation field of mass. This is my understanding of electromagnetics and gravitation unification. There is balance: f > 0 inside of mass is correspond to f < 0 outside of mass. Time T > 0 inside of mass and time T < 0 around mass. Any body produce +t for itself and -t as gravitation field around itself. So, big mass body must produce more negative time value in space around mass M that correspond to changes of spectrum (wave length) for light beam that is travling near massive body. Any clock have own +time for itself but in powerful -time near massive body total time rate is lesser as sum of +time and -time. . . . M . . oscillations . gravitation field - M . f > 0 . oscillations . t > 0 . frequency f < 0 . . ^^^^^^^ t < 0 ^^^^^^^^^^ What is f<0 for oscillations? ^^^^^^^ I hope that for radioengineers (like me) it is clear. If you have some frequency f1 as carrier and some frequency f2 as modulation frequency, for ratio f1>f2 it is ordinary case, signal f1 is changing with frequency of modulation f2. Measurements are producing for one point of space. Amplitude, phase or other parameter of electromagnetic wave is changing as time function for one point of space. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ If f2>f1 the modulation of signal is possible but all wave must be changing by modulation law with f2 in all points of the wave. It is not wave but stress field like electrostatic field. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The example above is relative case for f1 and f2. If f1=0, i.e. for constant current value or electrostatic field, value of frequency f2 can be more than zero or lesser than zero. So, f2 is positive or negative. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ So, inside of mass there is ordinary electromagnetic wave (f>0) but it is compensated by external f<0 oscillations of electromagnetic energy density in all points of space round the body that is possible for electrostatic field. Sure, value f is the same for both cases. The gravitation field round some mass - particle is electrostatic high frequency field 10^26 [Hz] for proton, for example. Control on the gravitation is possible by similar way, as Hooper showed. Conclusion: The time rate changes in gravitation field of massive body is result of sum for +t (own time effect of clock) and -t of gravitation field of this massive body. Sure, it is possible to obtain zero or negative sum for +t of clock and -t of gravitation field. Such strong gravitation field is known as black hole. For total time (+t) + (-t) = 0 there is no any oscillations of energy in the clock or in other object that is placed in strong (-t) i.e. in gravitation field. Zero time is zero frequency. By F.2 it is correspond to zero mass. So, mass of object that is traveling near massive body must be decreasing up to zero. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Photon that is traveling near massive body change its wave-length in red area of spectrum. It is decreasing of electromagnetic mass also. I hope that this explanation for time and gravitation field correlation is interesting enough to be published. If someone can help to develop this ideas and publish it in press, I'm ready to discuss this topic in detailes and in mathematics. This concept can explane attraction of massive bodies to each other and so on. Please, take my apologies for my english. I try use simple words. In russian this concept is described in more nice and clear view. Alexander V. Frolov Engineer-Expert alex@frolov.spb.ru P.O.Box 37, St.-Petersburg, 193024, Russia 7-812-2747877 šššššššššššššššš From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 21 11:26:42 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id LAA02264; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 11:20:46 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 11:20:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 18:20:01 GMT Message-Id: <2.2.16.19960821212735.1b17ac36@runner.sorosis.ro> X-Sender: u9511208@runner.sorosis.ro X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 1 (Highest) To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com From: Octavian Ungureanu Subject: A energetical problem. Resent-Message-ID: <"hVp5i3.0.6Z.yDr6o"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hello, my name is Octavian Ungureanu and I am an engineer.I'm always thinking how could we obtain mecanical power (energy) from a monotherme source.That means the 2nd Principle of Thermodynamics it's incomplete or better, not true. I have a lot of ideas and I already have many schemes of instalations which could use my new theory. I'm looking for someone which is able to give my some advices or just to listen me. I'm not joking but nobody wants talk to me. That's because I say NO to something which the people believe it's true.The energy is a big problem now and in the future. IS ANYONE INTERESTED ? Thanks! P.S. My email is u9511208@runner.sorosis.ro _____________________ | Octavian Ungureanu, | | str. C.I. Bratianu, | | nr. 8A,et.3,ap.7, | | Iasi,6600 | | Roman | |_____________________| From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 21 18:05:17 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id RAA07162; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 17:48:30 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 17:48:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 17:46:18 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: wasser thread In-Reply-To: <199607271558.IAA02245@ivic.ivic.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"C_LhR1.0.kl1.Evw6o"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Sat, 27 Jul 1996, Ivan Korsund wrote: > I have observed what I believe to be a natural demonstration > of the wasser thread. On two different occasions in the > mojave desert I have observed a unique type of flash flood. > Both times the temperature was in excess of 120 degrees F. and > there were extreme electrical disturbance in the atmosphere. I > had noticed a down pour over some nearby hills and was > carefully watching for any signs of a flash flood when a tube > of water exited the hills and proceeded to jump and bounce > along the desert floor. What was remarkable was that on these > two different occasions the water retained a tubular > shape (snake like) for its entire length (~100 feet) and > traveled each time approximately 1/2 mile before breaking up. > I have been told by some older indians of that area that there > are stories of this event happening in the distant past If the original "wasserfadden" phenomenon is real, then it seems to me that the strange behaviour of your water tube is explainable. The high temperature desert conditions would have made the ground be an insulator. The proximity of a thunderstorm could cause enormous voltages to appear between the water tube and the deeply-buried part of the conductive earth, especially if the water tube was flowing away from the storm. Did you try touching the water tube, or try approaching it? If so, did you notice anything that suggested the water was at high voltage (like leaping sand grains, ozone smell, your body hair rising, etc.)? This effect might be reproducable with a DC HV supply and some water running across a sand-covered ground plate. ................................freenrg-L.................................... William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd Moderator: FREENRG-L VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 21 23:11:18 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id XAA15762; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 23:10:24 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 23:10:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960822061408.00711ee4@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: ghawk@mail.eskimo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 23:14:08 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Gary Hawkins Subject: Re: Bifield-Brown Thoughts Resent-Message-ID: <"ShmgJ1.0.6s3.Ed_6o"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 10:50 PM 8/20/96 -0700, you wrote: > >The Brown patent also emphasizes that the effect is >stronger when the electric potential is highly >non-linear. The more non-linear, the stronger the >effect. In what way is that field non-linear? (The following, just out of curiosity...) http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/nipd/nipd2.html Gary Hawkins ------------------------------------------------------------- Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 22 01:28:10 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id BAA04589; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 01:26:42 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 01:26:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: 22 Aug 96 04:24:45 EDT From: Rick Monteverde <76216.2421@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Re: Bifield-Brown Thoughts Message-ID: <960822082445_76216.2421_HHB29-2@CompuServe.COM> Resent-Message-ID: <"phH163.0.b71.1d17o"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Gary Hawkins wrote: >>> "In what way is that field non-linear?" [T.T. Brown's patents] Fields between electrodes are always non-linear, the potential varying at least slightly along a line between them even for large flat plates facing each other. But the Brown patents on uneven electrode systems suggest ways of making them as non-linear as possible. Different shaped and size electrodes, dielectrics of varying K along a line between the electrodes, dielectrics cast with the graduated inclusion of metal powder towards one end, conical or other tapered shape dielectrics, like that. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 22 16:06:05 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id QAA25173 for bilb@eskimo.com; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 16:06:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 16:06:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Envelope-From: jfajber@qrtz.com Thu Aug 22 16:05:59 1996 Received: from orb.direct.ca (orb.direct.ca [199.60.229.5]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA24884 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 16:04:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from van-pm-0124.direct.ca ([204.174.243.24]) by orb.direct.ca with SMTP id <29692-24658>; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 16:03:46 -0700 X-Sender: jfajber@direct.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Old-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 16:03:54 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: jfajber@qrtz.com (James Fajber) Subject: Re: Bifield-Brown Thoughts Message-Id: <96Aug22.160346-0700pdt.29692-24658+526@orb.direct.ca> X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list X-Envelope-To: freenrg-l Status: RO X-Status: >In what way is that field non-linear? > I got a copy of Pat # 3,187,206 in PDF format from http://mmm.simplenet.com/frames/ufo_story/ufostory.html Quoting from it: "It is thus apparent that one embodiment of this invention embodies a pair of electrodes mounted on an insulatting member, one of which electrodes defines an arcuate surface to produce an improved thrust in response to the application of direct current potentials. It is also apparent that this thrust is augmented by increasing the nonlinearity of the field gradient by a progressivelychanging characteristic of the dielectric member connecting these electrodes. This nonlinearity of field may be produced by a gradient in electric conductivity, electric permittivity and/or magnetic permeability along the length of the \ member, or it may result from a change in the crosssectional area of the rod which rod ahs otherwise uniform characteristics." The patent also claims the effect exists in a vacuum: "In a vacuum, the reaction forces appear on the solid environmental bodies, such as the walls of the vacuum chamber. The propelling force however is not reduced to zero when all environmental bodies are removed beyond the apparent effective range of the electrical field." BTW, your experimental setup looked very nice. James Fajber From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 22 23:12:47 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id XAA16275 for bilb@eskimo.com; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 23:12:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 23:12:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Envelope-From: ijohanss@smtpoff.ctcc.gov.za Thu Aug 22 23:12:45 1996 Received: from lnms0 ([165.25.22.231]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA16254 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 23:12:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpoff.ctcc.gov.za by lnms0 with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0utpZQ-00023ZC; Fri, 23 Aug 96 08:18 EET Received: from CTCC#u#DOM-Message_Server by smtpoff.ctcc.gov.za with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 08:12:45 +0200 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Old-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 07:28:06 +0200 From: Ivor Johansson To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Regarding levitation X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list X-Envelope-To: freenrg-l Status: RO X-Status: Hi all, I do not know if this has been covered before on the list. I was glancing through a book about anomalies in general ie: dowsing, walking on coals, ball lighting, and others items. One item in particular caught my attention. It dealt with levitation. There is this photograph showing a young boy (+- 12 year old) in a yoga state, levitated about a half a metre off the ground. I assume the mind is able to control certain wave patterns to cause this to happen. I was wonder if anyone here can say what wave pattern causes this to happen. If this is possible, surely a machine could generate the same at in higher quantities and consistently thus causing levitation of that machine? Ivor Johansson ijohanss@ctcc.gov.za Snr Systems Analyst From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 23 08:33:35 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id IAA13122; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 08:26:23 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 08:26:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 08:28:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608231528.IAA07322@claim.goldrush.com> X-Sender: crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wesly crosiar Subject: Re: Re Creative Science Resent-Message-ID: <"mfZjK1.0.wC3.TsS7o"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Robert:I'm a show me, hands on person. I have to see and test anything before I believe it, however I received email from several people who were interested in the sale of creative science, even though I'm sure they picked up on my sarcasm in the message I posted about the sale. Because of the response, I contacted rick and informed him that their were people interested, but that they would have to see working devices before they were going to lay their money down. He told me that they have several working devices, one which produces fifty thousand watts with no input, another that produces two thousand horsepower o/u on a dynomometer plus hundreds of other plans etc. He said that testing could be arranged for prospective buyers. I am sure they have compiled a great sum of information, and I know they have built working devices which I have seen on video, but their is a difference between working devices and overunity working devices. If someone buys them out, I'll buy their plans for 200 dollars a set, after it is substantiated the device works by an unbiased person with no interest in the company like bill beatty. crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM THANKS WES WESLEY CROSIAR PO BOX 268 SAN ANDREAS, CA. 95249 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 23 09:32:13 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id JAA26975; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:23:11 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:23:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: jfajber@direct.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:23:08 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: jfajber@direct.ca (James Fajber) Subject: Re: Bifield-Brown Thoughts Message-Id: <96Aug23.092257-0700pdt.29829-24680+788@orb.direct.ca> Resent-Message-ID: <"yZ68-.0.Ib6.jhT7o"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >In what way is that field non-linear? > I got a copy of Pat # 3,187,206 in PDF format from http://mmm.simplenet.com/frames/ufo_story/ufostory.html Quoting from it: "It is thus apparent that one embodiment of this invention embodies a pair of electrodes mounted on an insulatting member, one of which electrodes defines an arcuate surface to produce an improved thrust in response to the application of direct current potentials. It is also apparent that this thrust is augmented by increasing the nonlinearity of the field gradient by a progressivelychanging characteristic of the dielectric member connecting these electrodes. This nonlinearity of field may be produced by a gradient in electric conductivity, electric permittivity and/or magnetic permeability along the length of the \ member, or it may result from a change in the crosssectional area of the rod which rod ahs otherwise uniform characteristics." The patent also claims the effect exists in a vacuum: "In a vacuum, the reaction forces appear on the solid environmental bodies, such as the walls of the vacuum chamber. The propelling force however is not reduced to zero when all environmental bodies are removed beyond the apparent effective range of the electrical field." BTW, your experimental setup looked very nice. James Fajber From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 23 10:38:49 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id KAA14598; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 10:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 10:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 12:29:33 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19960822122242.4b07947c@pop.mymail.net> X-Sender: sunbrite@pop.mymail.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: MICHAEL C SLIVINSKI Resent-Message-ID: <"jfp5J3.0.EY3.NXU7o"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Unidentified subject! X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: this might be redundant but here at this US govt web site at the bottom of page is option to do patent search. you can also order copies for a price. it has patents from 1976-1996. thanks mike. http://www.uspto.gov/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 23 11:50:36 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id LAA06591; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 11:43:54 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 11:43:54 -0700 (PDT) From: cantar@xnet.com (lds;kfjgvowmim;omkfdj) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: dueterium and gallium Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 18:44:22 GMT Organization: wallabees wannabees Reply-To: yourowndamnsystem@junkmail.com Message-Id: <321dfa3b.16716057@quake.xnet.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99d/32.168 Resent-Message-ID: <"o5IJv.0.tc1.flV7o"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: hello, i'm new to this group and a layman also, but i heard some info that i would like to share with you and maybe get some feed back. i heard a rumour about a man that i know. this rumour had to do with an electric car that his father built. the motor in the car was powered by an unknown system.when i asked the man about it, he told me that he had the car still and that its fuel source was dueterium and gallium. he said that the two chemicals reacted to produce neutrons which in turn powered the motor somehow. he only gave me vague details about the motor, but did have some pictures of the fuel cell and the motor. any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated. Darrell Yackley cantar@xnet.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 23 21:52:31 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id VAA05319; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 21:50:06 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 21:50:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Milamber To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 05:40:32 +0000 Subject: Newbie Reply-to: milamber@ashen.demon.co.uk Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.30) Message-ID: <840861687.14471.0@ashen.demon.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: <"kM_WU.0.0J1.zde7o"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I am new to this list. I stumbled upon it whilst browsing the net. As I have a background in physics I found it interesting that so many devices show "over unity" etc. Can anyone send me cicuit diagrams and equipment lists so that I can build and test these devices at home? Thank you in advance. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 23 23:45:54 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id XAA20400; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 23:44:42 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 23:44:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960824064911.006ff020@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: ghawk@mail.eskimo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 23:49:11 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Gary Hawkins Subject: Link Collection Resent-Message-ID: <"r92xm2.0.b-4.PJg7o"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I'd like to put together a collection of websites that deal in the sort of topic that this list does. If any of you have websites of this sort, or close, including your own, please email them to me, at: ghawk@eskimo.com I'll put them together and post them to the list, and then also place them on my pages. Here's a start: http://mmm.simplenet.com/ http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ http://www.lauralee.com/ http://www.iinet.net.au/~steveb/ http://www.aa.net/~mwm/magnet/mmag2.html http://www.rt66.com/~rifetech/ http://www.jwlabs.com/ http://www.europa.com/~rsc/ I'll have to go through my bookmarks to find more, alot there, but the web is expanding so fast, would like to find some I haven't seen already. Gary Hawkins ------------------------------------------------------------- Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 23 23:59:48 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id XAA22210; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 23:59:05 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 23:59:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960824070335.0071f1bc@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: ghawk@mail.eskimo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 00:03:35 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Gary Hawkins Subject: Re: wasser thread Resent-Message-ID: <"5kOIN.0.xQ5.uWg7o"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 05:46 PM 8/21/96 -0700, you wrote: >On Sat, 27 Jul 1996, Ivan Korsund wrote: > >> I have observed what I believe to be a natural demonstration >> of the wasser thread. On two different occasions in the >> mojave desert I have observed a unique type of flash flood. >> Both times the temperature was in excess of 120 degrees F. and >> there were extreme electrical disturbance in the atmosphere. I >> had noticed a down pour over some nearby hills and was >> carefully watching for any signs of a flash flood when a tube >> of water exited the hills and proceeded to jump and bounce >> along the desert floor. What was remarkable was that on these >> two different occasions the water retained a tubular >> shape (snake like) for its entire length (~100 feet) and >> traveled each time approximately 1/2 mile before breaking up. >> I have been told by some older indians of that area that there >> are stories of this event happening in the distant past > >If the original "wasserfadden" phenomenon is real, then it seems to me >that the strange behaviour of your water tube is explainable. The high >temperature desert conditions would have made the ground be an insulator. >The proximity of a thunderstorm could cause enormous voltages to appear >between the water tube and the deeply-buried part of the conductive earth, >especially if the water tube was flowing away from the storm. > >Did you try touching the water tube, or try approaching it? If so, did >you notice anything that suggested the water was at high voltage (like >leaping sand grains, ozone smell, your body hair rising, etc.)? > >This effect might be reproducable with a DC HV supply and some water >running across a sand-covered ground plate. > > Another possible explanation: I highly believe that water is inextricably tied to orgone phenomena. Orgone, if Reich was right, is a cohesive type of energy, antithetical to the entropic nature of the universe (tendency toward disorder). It tends away from where it is not, and toward where it already is. This energy, called by other terms "Vril", "Chi", etc, could easily be the cause of surface tension of liquids. It appears to also be intertwined in some way with electricity, and radiation. I would think that higher amounts of orgone in water will give it higher surface tension. Because of this, using a drop of water, bouncing a laser of it, in a sealed container, maybe it would be possible to create an orgone detector, if its temperature could be regulated. The water droplet would become more spherical under high orgone conditions. gary hawkins ------------------------------------------------------------- Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 24 00:09:52 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id AAA24220; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 00:09:14 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 00:09:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <321E4746.3D6E@introtech.com> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 00:05:26 +0000 From: Henry Reply-To: henry@introtech.com Organization: introtech X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Seeking alcohol pump References: <321dfa3b.16716057@quake.xnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"11Yc22.0.Hw5.Pgg7o"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: For an experiment, I need a small-volume, high-pressure pump that will not degrade significantly with long-term exposure to methanol or ethanol. That means (1) low enough price so it can be replaced economically, or (2) neoprene or other alcohol-resistant seals and stainless steel metal parts. Specifications are: I/O fluid port config unimportant Electrical connections ditto Size ditto Vibration/noise ditto Mech orientation ditto Flutter, press variations ditto Operating temperature 10-50 deg C Capacity <1 gph at 50 psi (or more) Pressure 50 psi minimum, >75 preferred Power 12-16 VDC Current up to 10A Overkill is okay. Minimum pressure and power supply are critical. Henry Eisenson INTROTECH 6336 Greenwich Drive San Diego, CA 92122 (619) 453-7600, fax 552-9050 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 24 00:13:48 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id AAA24953; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 00:12:53 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 00:12:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960824071724.00684d1c@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: ghawk@mail.eskimo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 00:17:24 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Gary Hawkins Subject: Re: better world technowledgeies has web site search alta vista Resent-Message-ID: <"XcZIv.0.n56.qjg7o"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 08:35 PM 8/14/96 +0900, you wrote: >At 05:42 PM 8/13/96 -0500, you wrote: >>re Mark McCoy, >> >>alta vista found web page >>site @http://www.hitznet.com/bwt/indexmn.htm , >>hope helpful. mike slivinski. >> >> > >I found it but I sure doubt it is useful...Dennis Lee has been in bigger >doodoo than Newman. His story just does not ring even close to truth and >frankly, every Christ-On-My-Shirtsleeve Christian that I have met and >interacted with enough to get to know has proven out to be ethically >dishonest. I suppose however that someone is going to get the material and >review it... It's an integrity issue with Dennis Lee, heat-pump guy. Everyone who gets involved with him loses their shirt. He's a phony, through and through, and so is Bob Pirrone, his side-kick. Gary Hawkins (USCA Dealer) ------------------------------------------------------------- Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 24 00:22:37 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id AAA26422; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 00:22:01 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 00:22:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960824072631.0072a4fc@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: ghawk@mail.eskimo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 00:26:31 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Gary Hawkins Subject: Re: aerogel critters Resent-Message-ID: <"Na4A61.0.lS6.Osg7o"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > >> I would like to point out to readers that a form of 'aerogel' has >> often been reported at sights of intense UFO activity, such as those in >> Salida, CO, one year ago. A material was reported falling from the sky, as >> 'angel-hair'. This material desolved(?), upon touching the ground, or in >> some cases, a person's hands. One individual claims to have caught some of >> the material in a mason jar, only to find it empty just an hour later. Any >> suggestions on preserving any sample(s) recovered? > >One of the subscribers on vortex-L reports experiencing this as a kid. He >says that the 'hair' would disappear if you rubbed it between fingers. >His suggestion for future: jam pack a sealed jar with great gobs of the >stuff, so when it turns to gas, you have a concentrated sample of the gas. >(But if it's living carbon aerogel, all that's left might be CO2.) Angel-hair -- possibly a result of the high voltages from the UFO, where the oxygen, carbon, and nitrogen in the air have dissociated, and recombined in strings in the presence of a strong magnetic field. When placed in a jar, they eventually return to normal (air). ------------------------------------------------------------- Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 24 00:56:40 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id AAA29050; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 00:55:49 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 00:55:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: 24 Aug 96 03:53:42 EDT From: Rick Monteverde <76216.2421@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Re: Newbie Message-ID: <960824075342_76216.2421_HHB47-1@CompuServe.COM> Resent-Message-ID: <"wNv0k.0.p57.4Mh7o"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Milamber - > "As I have a background in physics I found it > interesting that so many devices show "over unity" > etc. Can anyone send me cicuit diagrams and > equipment lists so that I can build and test these > devices at home?" Check those URLs that Gary Hawkins just posted, and follow the links to collect even more links to lists and other info so you can get a good feel for which devices have been described well enough to even try to build. I've never heard of _any_ of them really working with documented OU, with the exception of strong confirmation and reproducability within the area of "cold fusion", and one water vortex device - the commercially available Griggs water heater, which is possibly related to CF in some way through its violent cavitation effects. All descriptions of "over unity" of course refer to sources of energy which are either unknown or unexpected within the realm of conventional measurement. While that implies that no laws of thermodynamics are being violated, it would in some cased indicate "free" and practically unlimited energy without drawing upon any known or conventional fuel source to obtain output seen in excess of the measured input. Unfortunately, the CF devices tend to require far more skill and better facilities than most home workshops are likely to have on hand. But hey - that shouldn't keep anyone from trying, right? I myself am interested in chasing down some of the electrical anomalies, like the Biefeld-Brown force, and have a HV generator under construction to have a go at it. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 24 19:17:27 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id TAA16482; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 19:15:41 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 19:15:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 18:46:18 -0700 Message-Id: <199608250146.SAA05899@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: atech@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Gary Hawkins , freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: "Dennis C. Lee" Subject: Re: better world technowledgeies has web site search alta vista Resent-Message-ID: <"0VKZw3.0.N14.CTx7o"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: In my opinion, developing a product and successfully marketing it approaches that of an artform. It's not easy. Add the complexity of fine tuning advanced physics theory for an overunity product which operates on a principal that just doesn't make sense to most people, and I'd say the task is just about impossible. I read a description of his OU heat pump in Extraordinary Science Magazine. I believe that the operating temperatures and pressures involved exceded that of the norm. It would seem to be a necessity for such a device to design everything from scratch. To try and use standard heat pump components would probably be even more expensive. I once designed a linear two cycle engine (spring instead of a crankshaft - patent #4218888). A problem that held the project up for two months was a fuel line that was a little too short. When the engine tried to kick over it vibrated the diaphram of the LP gas regulator thus disrupting the fuel air mixture. One inch of rubber hose cost the project about $10,000.00. R&D is such an adventure! Regards; Dennis C. Lee At 12:17 AM 8/24/96 -0700, you wrote: >At 08:35 PM 8/14/96 +0900, you wrote: >>At 05:42 PM 8/13/96 -0500, you wrote: >>>re Mark McCoy, >>> >>>alta vista found web page >>>site @http://www.hitznet.com/bwt/indexmn.htm , >>>hope helpful. mike slivinski. >>> >>> >> >>I found it but I sure doubt it is useful...Dennis Lee has been in bigger >>doodoo than Newman. His story just does not ring even close to truth and >>frankly, every Christ-On-My-Shirtsleeve Christian that I have met and >>interacted with enough to get to know has proven out to be ethically >>dishonest. I suppose however that someone is going to get the material and >>review it... > > >It's an integrity issue with Dennis Lee, heat-pump guy. >Everyone who gets involved with him loses their shirt. >He's a phony, through and through, and so is Bob Pirrone, >his side-kick. > >Gary Hawkins (USCA Dealer) > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today > http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 25 01:49:44 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id BAA00515; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 01:45:55 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 01:45:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960825085045.0070c768@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: ghawk@mail.eskimo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 01:50:45 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Gary Hawkins Subject: Searl on the Web Resent-Message-ID: <"_wZBP.0.w7.2B18o"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: http://www.moose.co.uk/userfiles/prof.j.searl/index.html ...avec email. ------------------------------------------------------------- Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 25 13:45:50 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id NAA10179; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 13:43:39 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 13:43:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 13:46:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608252046.NAA18062@claim.goldrush.com> X-Sender: crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wesly crosiar Subject: creative science Resent-Message-ID: <"2oVSe3.0.yU2.vhB8o"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: TO ALL:early this week I mentioned that creative science [rick harrison] had some WALK ON WATER type inventions that he said could be seen by prospective buyers, when the buyers contacted him they were told the price had doubled to five hundred thousand and the buyers would have to put up 75,000.00 so the devices he told me were already built, could be built. Anybody who deals with this company had better have a voice stress analyser hooked up so they know when they are being told the truth. I would suggest to anyone who is thinking about buying their plans to save their money. crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM THANKS WES WESLEY CROSIAR PO BOX 268 SAN ANDREAS, CA. 95249 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 25 14:53:23 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id OAA22474; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 14:51:02 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 14:51:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 16:50:40 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Chicken Physics Resent-Message-ID: <"X49Jp1.0.2V5.5hC8o"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: WHY DID THE CHICKEN CROSS THE ROAD? ZENO OF ELEA: To prove it could never reach the other side. WERNER HEISENBERG: We are not sure which side of the road the chicken was on, but it was moving very fast. ISAAC NEWTON: 1) Chickens at rest tend to stay at rest. Chickens in motion tend to cross the road. 2) It was pushed on the road. 3) It was pushed on the road by another chicken, which went away from the road. 4) It was attracted to a chicken on the other side of the road. WOLFGANG PAULI: There already was a chicken on this side of the road. Q: Why did the tachyon cross the road? A: Because it was on the other side. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 25 15:43:42 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id PAA01753; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 15:41:53 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 15:41:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: BeyondMail for Windows/SMTP 2.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; boundary="BeyondBoundary_1_Sun_Aug_25_18:40:10_1996__29" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, Gary Hawkins From: Matt Mahoney Subject: re: Searl on the Web Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 18:40:07 -0400 X-BeyondMail-Priority: 1 Message-Id: Conversation-Id: <2.2.32.19960825085045.0070c768@mail.eskimo.com> In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960825085045.0070c768@mail.eskimo.com> Reply-To: Matt Mahoney Resent-Message-ID: <"sV0q_1.0.ER.mQD8o"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --BeyondBoundary_1_Sun_Aug_25_18:40:10_1996__29 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit You might also want to check out another Searl page on http://www.servtech.com/public/jasontee -Matt E-mail: mattm@servtech.com WWW: http://www.servtech.com/public/mattm > From: Gary Hawkins , on 8/25/96 1:50 AM: > > http://www.moose.co.uk/userfiles/prof.j.searl/index.html > > ...avec email. > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today > http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA > > > > --BeyondBoundary_1_Sun_Aug_25_18:40:10_1996__29 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="ATTRIBS.BND" Content-Transfer-Encoding: Base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ATTRIBS.BND" QmV5b25kIFBhY2tlZCBBdHRyaWJ1dGVzACoxABUAKAAAAAAAcmU6IFNlYXJs IG9uIHRoZSBXZWIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AG1hdHRtAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA8Qk1TTVRQODQxMDIzNTIzMG1h dHRtQGMAQmV5b25kIFByb3ByaWV0YXJ5IERhdGEaAAAAAAQAAAAAAAAADwAx AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQ29udmVyc2F0aW9uIElkMDwyLjIuMzIu MTk5NjA4MjUwODUwNDUuMDA3MGM3NjhAbWFpbC5lc2tpbW8uY29tPgQAAAAA AAAAEAAJAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATWVzc2FnZSBFbmNvZGluZwhJ U08tODg1OQEAAAAAAAAAFQADAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAVXNlIFBy b3BvcnRpb25hbCBGb250AQABCQAAAAAAAAANACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAABQcmV2aW91cyBGcm9tH0dhcnkgSGF3a2lucyA8Z2hhd2tAZXNraW1v LmNvbT4NAAAAAAAAAAsAJgAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAFByZXZpb3Vz IFRvJAAgIgEACQD//xUAAAACFQAUZnJlZW5yZy1sQGVza2ltby5jb20NAAAA AAAAAAsAJgAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAE9yaWdpbmFsIHRvJAAgIgEA CQD//xUAAAACFQAUZnJlZW5yZy1sQGVza2ltby5jb20RAAAAAAAAAA0ABgAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAE9yaWdpbmFsIHRleHQAAAAAAAARAAAAAAAA AAQAcgMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAFRleHQDAgoJWW91IG1pZ2h0IGFs c28gd2FudCB0byBjaGVjayBvdXQgYW5vdGhlciBTZWFybCBwYWdlIG9uIGh0 dHA6Ly93d3cuc2VydnRlY2guY29tL3B1YmxpYy9qYXNvbnRlZQoKCS1NYXR0 CgpFLW1haWw6IG1hdHRtQHNlcnZ0ZWNoLmNvbQpXV1c6IGh0dHA6Ly93d3cu c2VydnRlY2guY29tL3B1YmxpYy9tYXR0bQoKPiAgRnJvbTogR2FyeSBIYXdr aW5zIDxnaGF3a0Blc2tpbW8uY29tPiwgb24gOC8yNS85NiAxOjUwIEFNOgo+ ICAKPiAgaHR0cDovL3d3dy5tb29zZS5jby51ay91c2VyZmlsZXMvcHJvZi5q LnNlYXJsL2luZGV4Lmh0bWwKPiAgCj4gIC4uLmF2ZWMgZW1haWwuCj4gICAt LS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0t LS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tCj4gICBIb3Jpem9uIFRlY2hub2xvZ3kgICAgIFRv bW9ycm93J3MgVGVjaG5vbG9neSBUb2RheQo+ICAgaHR0cDovL3d3dy5lc2tp bW8uY29tL35naGF3ay8gICAgICAgICAgU2VhdHRsZSwgV0EKPiAgCj4gIAo+ ICAKPiAgaQEDAAMCYgEFAAIAAAAUAAEAAQABAPUAAAAAAAAAAgD2ADgAAAAX AAAAAQAuAZQAAAAAAAAAAgDCAR0AAAAXAAAAAQDfASUAAAAAAAAAOP8AAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATVMgU2FucyBTZXJpZgAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAOP8AAAAAAAC8AgABAAAAAAAATVMgU2FucyBTZXJpZgAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQABAAEAAQACAGEAAQBiAGIAAQBjAGkAAQBqAGoAAQBr AIUAAQCGAK8AAQCwALAAAQCxAO4AAQDvAPIAAQDzAC4BAQAvATIBAQAzAUQB AQBFAYYBAQCHAb0BAQC+AfQBAQD1AfgBAQD5AfwBAQD9AQACAQABAgQCAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAZAABpAEBSAMB7AQBkAYBNAgB2AkBfAsBIA0BxA4BaBABDBIB sBMBVBUB+BYtAAAAAAAAAAAAABAABgAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEF0 dGFjaG1lbnQgQ291bnQEAAAAAAA= --BeyondBoundary_1_Sun_Aug_25_18:40:10_1996__29-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 25 19:20:17 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id TAA04466; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 19:18:11 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 19:18:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 18:51:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608260151.SAA24488@claim.goldrush.com> X-Sender: crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wesly crosiar Subject: John Bedini Resent-Message-ID: <"LwbXL.0.e51.XbG8o"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I just found john bedini's page, lots of walk on water stuff. Does anybody know if any of this works? He has three [rotary] permanent magnet motors that look like after dinner type projects, they use only permanent magnets, he claims he has actually built them and they work. Has anyone heard if this is true or do we need a lie detector here. He also shows a self charging [scaler wave] batery charger. crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM THANKS WES WESLEY CROSIAR PO BOX 268 SAN ANDREAS, CA. 95249 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 25 20:03:35 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id UAA14273; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 20:02:39 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 20:02:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 20:05:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608260305.UAA25980@claim.goldrush.com> X-Sender: crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wesly crosiar Subject: Re: John Bedini Resent-Message-ID: <"drhed3.0.qU3.DFH8o"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 18:32:04 >To: John Alexander Lotoski >From: wesly crosiar >Subject: Re: John Bedini > >At 10:26 PM 8/25/96 -0400, you wrote: >> >>> >> >> [I'm interested in checking out some of the stuff] >> >> [Haven't heard anything about whether or not it's real though] >> >>john:you'l find it@ http://rand.nidlink.com/~john1/index.html >> >>I thought some other people out there might like to check out this BIG FISH story! > crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM THANKS WES WESLEY CROSIAR PO BOX 268 SAN ANDREAS, CA. 95249 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 26 02:26:02 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id CAA11847; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 02:24:39 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 02:24:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 11:23:53 +0200 (MET DST) From: Mathias Bage Message-Id: <199608260923.LAA15618@enklav.stacken.kth.se> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Searl on the Web Resent-Message-ID: <"uQ4ES1.0.0v2.MrM8o"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: See also their other index page: http://www.moose.co.uk/userfiles/prof.j.searl/index.htm ^^^ /Mathias From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 26 18:13:39 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id RAA16578; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 17:55:41 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 17:55:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 17:54:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608270054.RAA13928@claim.goldrush.com> X-Sender: crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wesly crosiar Subject: John Bedini Resent-Message-ID: <"PEQpV1.0.r24.xTa8o"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: To all:ALL THE PRIVATE EMAIL I RECEIVED ABOUT JOHN WAS POSITIVE, IT SEEMS MAYBE HE DOES WALK ON WATER thanks for the quick response. Thanks WES crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM THANKS WES WESLEY CROSIAR PO BOX 268 SAN ANDREAS, CA. 95249 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 26 22:29:27 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id WAA02521; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 22:27:33 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 22:27:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 00:27:16 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199608270527.AAA05528@firefly.prairienet.org> From: w9sz@prairienet.org (Zack Widup) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: John Bedini Reply-To: w9sz@prairienet.org Resent-Message-ID: <"sWqLP1.0.Hd.3Te8o"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >To all:ALL THE PRIVATE EMAIL I RECEIVED ABOUT JOHN WAS POSITIVE, IT SEEMS >MAYBE HE DOES WALK ON WATER thanks for the quick response. Thanks WES >crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM THANKS WES >WESLEY CROSIAR >PO BOX 268 >SAN ANDREAS, CA. 95249 Hello, I would like to quote from the Afterword of TAPPING THE ZERO-POINT ENERGY by Moray B. King, if I may: "It turns out that through the years many inventors have wittingly or unwittingly utilized techniques that induced a cohering interaction with the zero-point energy. The study of the plight of these inventors teaches an important lesson: Basically, an invention that violates the scientific paradigm (i.e. the "known" world view) will be rejected or ignored by the scientific community. All patents are disallowed, for they sound like perpetual motion. A working device that can tap appreciable amounts of energy will cause extreme pressure to be brought onto the inventor. He will be squeezed between those who wish to steal it and those who wish to suppress it. A lone inventor has absolutely no chance. Is there anything he can do?" "The answer is yes, if the inventor can see the big picture. Primarily, the inventor must understand that humanity rejects any working invention that violates the recognized paradigm or world view." ... "But there are young people, students and inventors with that 'can do' attitude who would be most willing to repeat an experiment that would uplift the world." ... "Entering research to tap the zero-point energy is playing what I call the Prometheus game. Im mythology, Prometheus gave fire to man, and for this the Gods punished him for eternity. An inventor who believes he alone is giving 'free energy' to mankind is a pawn in this game. If his invention is successful, he will find himself under attack and ridicule. How can one safely play and win the game?" "The answer lies within your higher self. Ask yourself the following question: If you were an angel who had the knowledge to seed the discovery of free energy on planet earth, would you love this planet and its beings enough to share your gift without any reward or recognition? If you can answer yes, then you are a master of the Prometheus game and you will find, as I have, that wonderful, synchronistic events and experiences accrue that yield inspiration and guidance. For in actuality you ARE that angel." ... "The master player is totally free and fulfilled. No one can steal what is freely given. No one can suppress what repeats everywhere. As the paradigm shifts, the special interests that went into suppressing the discovery will then produce enormous investment capital to develop it (i.e. if you can't lick them, join them)." ... ________________________________ We have not shifted that paradigm yet. I think the people who are on this discussion group are perhaps the ones most likely to do so. We seem to have a glimmer that it IS possible, even when we fail. John Bedini has printed a couple papers about his research and devices. They do not cost much money (maybe $5 or $10 or so for each) so I doubt he is getting rich from them. He is not selling a product, not selling kits, or anything else. He seems to be following the successful pattern to win the "Prometheus game". Maybe his devices work in his hands. Tom Bearden stated that John's free energy device has been running for five years successfully. Maybe they don't work in everyone's hands yet. If they don't work, all we could accuse him of is having promoted devices that didn't work. He certainly couldn't be accused of fattening his pockets off them. But if only a couple of us can get results at first.... it's a start on that paradigm shift. So I'm not giving up. Maybe it takes a few years to "get the hang of it." So be it. I hope this inspires a few people! Zack w9sz@prairienet.org -- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 27 07:34:20 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id HAA21358; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 07:32:13 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 07:32:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 09:31:32 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Plundering the Innovator Resent-Message-ID: <"VdFn12.0.VD5.hRm8o"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Hello, > >I would like to quote from the Afterword of TAPPING THE ZERO-POINT >ENERGY by Moray B. King, if I may: > > "The master player is totally free and fulfilled. No one can >steal what is freely given. No one can suppress what repeats >everywhere. As the paradigm shifts, the special interests that >went into suppressing the discovery will then produce enormous >investment capital to develop it (i.e. if you can't lick them, >join them)." ... > > ________________________________ > >We have not shifted that paradigm yet. I think the people who are >on this discussion group are perhaps the ones most likely to do so. >We seem to have a glimmer that it IS possible, even when we fail. >John Bedini has printed a couple papers about his research and snip--- > >Zack >w9sz@prairienet.org > Dear Zack, It is easy for someone to "give away" that which is not her/his in the first place. And as to the innovator giving away years, or even decades of her/his hard intellectual and/or physical labor....what does this do for the incentive of future innovators? Why should they pursue the sacrifices often attendant with years of hard work -- only to: 1) receive no financial compensation for their efforts, and/or 2) receive not even recognition for their efforts, and/or 3) even live to see *others* receive (and steal) the compensation and/or recognition to which they are rightfully entitled. In the short-term, it appears: "great! we all have a new invention to benefit humanity!" In the long-term, however: humanity has suffered enormously. The negative leverage of such theft is very significant. And the personal incentive of the innovator --- humanity's greatest benefactor (in the long-run) --- has been diminished, if not destroyed. Theft is theft. We can call it "borrowing." We can even say, "Well, the inventor 'owes' it to humanity." I say it is still theft. The inventor doesn't "owe" us anything. Nor do we owe her/him anything except the same respect that would be due any human being, i.e.: not to coerce and steal her/his innovation. Rather than bring the innovator down to the level of those who would favor intellectual theft, I would say, raise the level of the inhabitants of the civilization to the level of the creative innovator and to respect all forms of property completely. As astrophysicist Dr. Andrew J. Galambos originally developed: There are three (3) forms of property: 1. Primordial Property -- your physical body. 2. Primary Property -- your thoughts and ideas. 3. Secondary Property -- those tangible derivatives of thoughts and ideas, e.g., cars, houses, boats, etc. Throughout history, the most persecuted individuals have been the innovators. We will begin to evolve into a civilzation characterized by stable and durable growth when we learn to operationally respect all forms of property --- especially Primary Property --- completely. Best regards, Evan Soule' josephnewman@earthlink.net http://www.angelfire.com/pg0/Newman/index.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 27 07:51:27 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id HAA23217; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 07:38:29 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 07:38:29 -0700 (PDT) From: cantar@xnet.com (Darrell Yackley) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: dueterium and gallium Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 14:38:56 GMT Organization: wallabees wannabees Reply-To: cantar@xnet.com Message-Id: <322307cc.2524262@quake.xnet.com> References: <321dfa3b.16716057@quake.xnet.com> In-Reply-To: <321dfa3b.16716057@quake.xnet.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99d/32.168 Resent-Message-ID: <"fgLJO3.0.fg5.aXm8o"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Fri, 23 Aug 1996 18:44:22 GMT, you wrote: >hello, i'm new to this group and a layman also, but i heard some info >that i would like to share with you and maybe get some feed back. > >i heard a rumour about a man that i know. this rumour had to do with >an electric car that his father built. the motor in the car was >powered by an unknown system.when i asked the man about it, he told me >that he had the car still and that its fuel source was dueterium and >gallium. he said that the two chemicals reacted to produce neutrons >which in turn powered the motor somehow. he only gave me vague details >about the motor, but did have some pictures of the fuel cell and the >motor. > >any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated. p.s. the motor was approximately 30 inches in diameter, develops about 530 horsepower, and will run for about 20 years on 5 oz. of deuterium and 8 oz. of gallium. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 27 09:21:06 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id JAA16263; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 09:11:40 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 09:11:40 -0700 (PDT) From: MMcCoy@smtpmail.micro.honeywell.com (McCoy, Mark) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com ('freenrg-l') Message-Id: <1996Aug27.110000.1650.276310@smtpmail.micro.honeywell.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail via PostalUnion/SMTP for Windows NT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 11:07:07 GMT Subject: better world technologies Resent-Message-ID: <"HaZ5z.0.yz3.wun8o"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Many thanks to one and all who sent comments on Dennis Lee and Better World Technologies. I think the issue is settled for me. Very interesting. Mark McCoy mmccoy@smtpmail.micro.honeywell.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 27 16:55:48 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id QAA09896; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 16:42:05 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 16:42:05 -0700 (PDT) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Newbie Message-ID: <19960827.190133.6526.2.blue21@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.15 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4 From: blue21@juno.com (Christopher P Fultz) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 19:34:09 EDT Resent-Message-ID: <"CVMar3.0.VQ2.CVu8o"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I am fairly new to this list and was wondering if anyone could send me some of the schematics, diagrams or explanations of the devices and theories discussed here. I have a small background in electronics and physics and would be very grateful for anything that anyone could send me. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 30 14:42:36 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id OAA22167; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 14:35:50 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 14:35:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <01BB9698.C3CFEE00@exeter-01-20.dialup.bluefin.net> From: Brian Smith To: "'FreeEnergyList'" Subject: Sweet Triode Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 17:29:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <"ADbbq1.0.AQ5.qwr9o"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hello, just joined this list. I was wondering if anyone is currently working to reproduce Sweet's = triode device. I read an archive message stating that it would require a = magetics expert and to "stay out". Seems a bit strong, why should others = stay out? Is there some unstated danger(s) in working with this? This = device seems to be most interesting, if it did in fact perform as = claimed. What happened to Sweet's research work after he died? It is most annoying to see so many claimed successes, vanish into thin = air, due to insufficient data being made available to reproduce the = device. In any event, if he who said stay out, could do a bit better at = explaining why this would be worthwhile, I'd appreciate it. Brian Smith