From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 1 20:08:58 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id TAA01282; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 19:44:25 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 19:44:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3251D67D.75D0@twd.net> Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 22:42:05 -0400 From: farout Organization: human_race.earth.sol X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Fwd: water based fuel] Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"Bb1A42.0.tJ.2STKo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/217 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Message-ID: <324D39DE.4A28@twd.net> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 10:44:46 -0400 From: farout Organization: human_race.earth.sol X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: water based fuel References: <199609181423.KAA24018@big.seorf.ohiou.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit recently I saw a news report on CNN about an herb from India that was mixed with water and could burned in an engine. The location was in India. the report was produced by BBC. Since then I havent seen a word about it in print or on the net. THis would be as cataclysmic as cold fusion if it turns out to be useful. Any one else heard of it? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 1 20:30:42 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id UAA06243; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 20:08:04 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 20:08:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 19:59:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610020259.TAA28287@galadriel.compumedia.com> X-Sender: skot@compumedia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: skot@compumedia.com (Scott Becker) Subject: Minn Kota Resent-Message-ID: <"x_uUH3.0.KX1.CnTKo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/218 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Okay, I gotta ask. How many people just went out and bought a minn kota trolling motor? I just looked over their web page and gleaned these facts: Their battery typically runs one of their motors for 20 hours!!! And according to their numbers thats a putting out one tenth of a horsepower worth of electricity. With losses of a normal motor and at the prop. a thirty pound thrust model would have to go less than 2 feet per second or 1.3 mph. Probably about half that speed. So call up Sears and ask them if a minn kota can go faster than 1 mile per hour. I think I'll go buy one. Scott Becker skot@compumedia.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 2 00:55:33 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id AAA05945; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 00:55:01 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 00:55:01 -0700 (PDT) From: rvanspaa@netspace.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: water based fuel] Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 07:54:22 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <32561f9d.20780786@mail.netspace.net.au> References: <3251D67D.75D0@twd.net> In-Reply-To: <3251D67D.75D0@twd.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99f/32.299 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <"N_gOV3.0.oS1.K_XKo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/219 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Tue, 01 Oct 1996 22:42:05 -0400, farout wrote: >recently I saw a news report on CNN about an herb from India that was >mixed with water and could burned in an engine. The location was in >India. the report was produced by BBC. Since then I havent seen a word >about it in print or on the net. THis would be as cataclysmic as cold >fusion if it turns out to be useful. Any one else heard of it? > > > > Check out: http://shell.ihug.co.nz/~ksathiah/Indian-Herbal-Petrol.HTM Regards, Robin van Spaandonk -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Check out: http://netspace.net.au/~rvanspaa for how CF depends on=20 temperature. Man is the creature that comes into this world knowing everything, Learns all his life, And leaves knowing nothing. -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 2 02:29:23 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id CAA17800; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 02:28:02 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 02:28:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 11:27:34 +0200 Message-Id: <199610020927.LAA00989@atom.bbtt.com> X-Sender: harti@bbtt.de (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@bbtt.de (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: [Fwd: water based fuel] Resent-Message-ID: <"AXfnW2.0.1M4.XMZKo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/220 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >On Tue, 01 Oct 1996 22:42:05 -0400, farout wrote: > >>recently I saw a news report on CNN about an herb from India that was >>mixed with water and could burned in an engine. The location was in >>India. the report was produced by BBC. Since then I havent seen a word >>about it in print or on the net. THis would be as cataclysmic as cold >>fusion if it turns out to be useful. Any one else heard of it? >> >> >> >> >Check out: > >http://shell.ihug.co.nz/~ksathiah/Indian-Herbal-Petrol.HTM >Regards, > >Robin van Spaandonk >-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* >Check out: http://netspace.net.au/~rvanspaa for how CF depends on >temperature. >Man is the creature that comes into this world knowing everything, >Learns all his life, >And leaves knowing nothing. >-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* > > > Also Mr. Gunnerman from Nevada (USA) is doing a water-gas mixed fuel and is proplling cars and trucks at Caterpiller with it ! He has about 40 to 60 % water in his fuel ! Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany NEUE Nummern : Tel: ++ 4930-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 4930-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.de harti@bbtt.de Web site: http://www.harti.de Webmaster of: http://www.detours.de Have a look at the future: http://www.overunity.de My favourite ladies on the WEB: http://www.nylon-fetish.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 2 06:19:15 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id GAA16381; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 06:17:43 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 06:17:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 08:20:25 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19961002081911.0d5f275c@pop.mymail.net> X-Sender: sunbrite@pop.mymail.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: MICHAEL C SLIVINSKI Subject: Re: [Fwd: water based fuel] Resent-Message-ID: <"kXtri2.0.s_3.sjcKo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/221 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 10:42 PM 10/1/96 -0400, you wrote: >Message-ID: <324D39DE.4A28@twd.net> >Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 10:44:46 -0400 >From: farout >Organization: human_race.earth.sol >X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >Subject: water based fuel >References: <199609181423.KAA24018@big.seorf.ohiou.edu> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >recently I saw a news report on CNN about an herb from India that was >mixed with water and could burned in an engine. The location was in >India. the report was produced by BBC. Since then I havent seen a word >about it in print or on the net. THis would be as cataclysmic as cold >fusion if it turns out to be useful. Any one else heard of it? Yup, Jerry at keely net has info/article, I think he is also the webmaster for that sight, drop him a line, he might have it in the data base files and you can down load it. Mike S. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 2 06:51:58 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id GAA22950; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 06:50:05 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 06:50:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: 2 Oct 1996 06:43:09 -0700 From: "Schalk Rudy" Subject: RE: [Fwd: water based fuel] To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-MS 3.0.3 b1 d0 Resent-Message-ID: <"1LWRI.0.Pc5.CCdKo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/222 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: There was an article in the San Jose Mercury News about it a week or two ago. --Rudy >recently I saw a news report on CNN about an herb from India that was >mixed with water and could burned in an engine. The location was in >India. the report was produced by BBC. Since then I havent seen a word >about it in print or on the net. THis would be as cataclysmic as cold >fusion if it turns out to be useful. Any one else heard of it? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 2 13:01:04 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id NAA05288 for bilb@eskimo.com; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 13:01:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 13:01:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Envelope-From: mmans@aeneas.net Wed Oct 2 13:00:59 1996 Received: from main.aeneas.net (root@main.aeneas.net [207.65.48.23]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA05256 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 13:00:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dialup01.utm.edu (dialup01.utm.edu [192.239.149.11]) by main.aeneas.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA08234 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 15:01:54 -0500 Message-ID: <3252C8D2.39F@aeneas.net> Old-Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 14:56:02 -0500 From: Mark Mansfield X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: water based fuel] References: <199610020927.LAA00989@atom.bbtt.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list X-Envelope-To: freenrg-l Status: RO X-Status: > Also Mr. Gunnerman from Nevada (USA) > is doing a water-gas mixed fuel and is > proplling cars and trucks at Caterpiller with it ! > He has about 40 to 60 % water in his fuel ! > > Regards, Stefan. There was a article in Progressive Farmer earlier this year about the 40 to 60% water in Diesel fuel story. They spoke as if the technology would be released and in wide use before long. I don't have the magizane but anyone could probally find it in a local library. Mark From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 3 08:01:35 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id HAA07323; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 07:44:59 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 07:44:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3253CFCA.71D4@utm.edu> Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 09:38:02 -0500 From: Mark Mansfield X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Water based fuel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tjUgB.0.Jo1.c5zKo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/223 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > Also Mr. Gunnerman from Nevada (USA) > is doing a water-gas mixed fuel and is > proplling cars and trucks at Caterpiller with it ! > He has about 40 to 60 % water in his fuel ! > > Regards, Stefan. There was a article in Progressive Farmer earlier this year about the 40 to 60% water in Diesel fuel story. They spoke as if the technology would be released and in wide use before long. I don't have the magizane but anyone could probally find it in a local library. Mark From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 3 16:03:08 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id PAA20108; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 15:08:29 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 15:08:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3254A998.262F@netcomuk.co.uk> Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 23:07:20 -0700 From: Rob King X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-NC260 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Free Energy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"C3TTr2.0._v4.Ab3Lo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/224 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Dear All, Fact: 1. The James Patterson Cold fusion device using nickel/palladium/nickel beads in lithium sulphate and distilled water produces over unity. 2. The Jim Griggs and Kelly Hudson, spinning water hammer produces over unity. I have tried building the Stanley Meyer Water Fuel Cell based on a pulse train circuit I designed from scratch and built myself. This produced some strange power fluctuations at very small changes in frequency but it never produced over-unit, far from it. I have looked at Lee Trippetts TOD device, see TOD.ZIP from the Keelynet BBS. This device, if it was shown to work at over unity, would almost certainly explain how the Meyer device works. ie. there is nothing special about the Meyer cell itself, its just an application that consumes the over-unity power from the pulse circuit. You can achieve near perfect electrolysis in a cell by applying less than 2.6 volts per cell at a certain frequency. I have looked into Bruce Perreaults plasma tube device, this seems to be an ideal project to build and I was considering it, although I was worried about handling the chlorine gas required for it, when I received an update to say that it contains Radium Chloride powder. Now potentially lethal gas is one thing, but playing with radioactive substances is another. It would be interesting to know how close this device is to the late Chernetskii’s plasmatron device. So... I have decided to built the Robert Adams Pulsed Electric Motor/Generator. Questions: 1. Has anyone seen this device working ? 2. Has anyone heard of someone other Mr Adams and Mr McMurty, who has reproduced a working over-unity model of this device. 3. Has anyone got a recent data on this device? List of parts needed. 1 3.5 inch floppy drive unit, does not need to be in working order. 1 sheet of perspex about 20x30cm x 5mm (Plexiglas) to build the device onto. 16 cm long piece of 15mm dia. ferrite rod. 250 g of 32 SWG enameled copper wire. 3 BUZ11A power mosfets (or BUZ10, bit cheaper) 3 MBR1090 90v 10A schotty rectifier diodes (low voltage drop, 0.57v) 1 PIC16C84-04P , you will need a PIC programmer as well. 1 small 12volt light bulb, about 1-2 watts. 1 Hall effect device, salvaged from above drive together with components required to produce a TTL logic signal suitable for the PIC. These are the parts I will be using, what you use is your choice but remember the more powerful the magnets the better and the closer to the stator coils and cores the better. Take the magnetic disc out the drive by removing the center screw, its a bugger to get out. Then pop the bearing out of the chassis. Pull the diskette latching disc off the drive spindle, because this will get in the way. Mount the bearing ONTO a hole in the perspex by drilling three holes in the brass spindle collar and secure it with three small counter sunk/pan head bolts to the perspex. Bolt the perspex plate onto a larger base plate of perspex using four bolts and spacers. Next cut the ferrite rod into 4 pieces using a hacksaw. This may take a great deal of time to do, and you will probably need a stack of spare blades too. You will only be using 3 out of the 4 pieces but you made need a spare in case you crack one. I cannot stress how tough and brittle like glass this ferrite rod is like. Using wet'n'dry, grind the four pieces into a cheese wedge shape, the same dimensions as the centers on the coils in the floppy drive. You may be able to fix the four pieces of ferrite to a slab of wood to making the task of shaping them easier. You now need to put 200-400 turns of copper wire onto each of the 3 ferrite rods, remember the more turns the better the back EMF, and try and get the windings as close to the end of the rod as possible. The windings should take up about 2cm of the rod and not exceed the outside size on the coils in the drive. Mount the 3 stator coils you have just wound onto the base plate in a tri-star formation, so that the ferrite is almost touching the magnetic disc. The 8 magnetic regions should be very obvious when it you rotate the disc through 1 revolution. The PIC will provide the three series of pulses required to drive the three coils via the three power mosfets. Feedback will be provided by the small magnet pickup on the perimeter rotor. As soon as I have the program for the PIC working I will mail it to this newsgroup but in the mean time you could write your own. The three diodes will feed the back EMF into the 12v bulb or similar resistive load. If all goes well then the bulb brightness should consume an equal amount of energy to that which is feeding the power Mosfets. You could experiment with different on-off times before the back EMF occurs, and try adding 3 extra pickup coils to collect more back EMF and so put a greater load on the rotor. Or wind 100 turns of heavier gauge wire on the ferrite , then 200-300 turns of 32 SWG on top and connect the windings in parallel. This will force heavier current through the thick windings but you will get more back EMF from the thinner windings. I will keep you posted on my progress, please let me know how you get on as well. Together we can crack it!!! Regards Rob King Email addresses: ROBK@netcomuk.co.uk rob.king@infosys.gecalsthom.sprint.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 4 04:04:39 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id EAA17657; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 04:02:49 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 04:02:49 -0700 (PDT) From: alansch@zip.com.au (Alan Schneider) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Free Energy Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 11:02:29 GMT Message-ID: <3254e337.473050@mail.zip.com.au> References: <3254A998.262F@netcomuk.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3254A998.262F@netcomuk.co.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99f/32.299 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <"t8pRu.0.oJ4.OxELo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/225 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Thu, 03 Oct 1996 23:07:20 -0700, Rob King put fingers to=20 keyboard and communicated... >Dear All, > [snip] > >So... I have decided to built the Robert Adams Pulsed Electric=20 >Motor/Generator. > >Questions: >1. Has anyone seen this device working ? An ex workmate of mine claimed to have visited Robert Adams several years ago while he was doing an installation in Whakatane and had seen an early version of the motor in operation. He said Robert Adams had been a bit reluctant to answer questions and explain details.=20 Grant also mentioned that he had driven past Robert Adams house one night and the whole house seemed to have been surrounded by a dim blue luminescence. (!?!) >2. Has anyone heard of someone other Mr Adams and Mr McMurty,=20 >who has reproduced a working over-unity model of this device. I built a version of the device and it definitely motored but I saw no signs of over-unity. In discussing this with my ex-workmate (who had also built one) we came to the conclusion that my magnets were far too small in relation to the diameter of the rotor. From=20 vague memory of the published plans each of the magnet faces=20 extend over approximately 60 degrees of the stator. Mine were=20 closer to 10 degrees! Also my commutator was *V*E*R*Y*=20 inefficient with a very high drag. One of these years when I have the time I intend to rebuild it with larger magnets and a cylindrical commutator instead of the flat disk arrangement so the drag will remain constant with timing instead of increasing as you reduce the duty cycle by moving the contacts outward on the disk. I don't think Grant ever noted any over-unity with his version either. >3. Has anyone got a recent data on this device? Only that Bruce Cathie had gotten together with Robert Adams and they were collaborating on applying Cathie's harmonic theories to the motor design with some interesting results but which couldn't be disclosed because of commercial=20 considerations.=20 >List of parts needed. [snip] >These are the parts I will be using, what you use is your=20 >choice but remember the more powerful the magnets the=20 >better and the closer to the stator coils and cores the better. Sounds like a pretty radical departure from the original plans to me. BTW I remember reading a follow up note in Nexus from Robert Adams where he explicitly says that more powerful magnets are *N*O*T* an advantage in his motor and in fact can be very dangerous unless you know=20 exactly what you're doing. > [snip] >Together we can crack it!!! > Best of luck with the project. I'll be watching out for your results.=20 Are you going to be putting your plans and circuits up on=20 a web site somewhere? Alan =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Quantum Mechanics: The Dreams that Stuff is made of. - Michael Sinz =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 4 04:38:50 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id EAA29345; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 04:32:35 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 04:32:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 06:35:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199610041135.GAA10450@fastlane.net> X-Sender: nikki@fastlane.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Bert Pool Subject: Re: Free Energy Resent-Message-ID: <"LBDkm3.0.LA7.HNFLo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/226 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 11:07 PM 10/3/96 -0700, Rob wrote wrote: [mega snip in several supposedly free energy devices] >So... I have decided to built the Robert Adams Pulsed Electric >Motor/Generator. > >Questions: >1. Has anyone seen this device working ? >2. Has anyone heard of someone other Mr Adams and Mr McMurty, who has >reproduced a >working over-unity model of this device. >3. Has anyone got a recent data on this device? Rob, an excellent local experimenter here in Dallas built several Adams motors, one using about $1,000 worth of neodymium super magnets. The motors will run, but none come anywhere near 100% efficiency, much less over unity. I won't discourage you from building a motor, it is a good exercise in electronics and mechanical construction - but don't expect the moon! Bert nikki@fastlane.net [more mega snip on motor] > > >Regards Rob King > >Email addresses: > >ROBK@netcomuk.co.uk >rob.king@infosys.gecalsthom.sprint.com > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 4 07:34:09 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id HAA07147; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 07:29:51 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 07:29:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 07:28:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610041428.HAA00196@norway.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mrandall@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Randall Subject: Re: don smith Resent-Message-ID: <"rPt4K1.0.al1.TzHLo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/227 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Wesley Crosiar, my e-mail to you (crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM) is coming back "user unknown". Can you try e-mail me to see if that can fit the problem. Thanks Michael Randall mrandall@earthlink.net Sierra Madre, California From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 4 17:27:28 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id QAA26206; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 16:54:34 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 16:54:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3256145E.3E2F@netcomuk.co.uk> Date: Sat, 05 Oct 1996 00:55:10 -0700 From: Rob King X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-NC260 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Free Energy - Part 2 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------1E7B68702FE3" Resent-Message-ID: <"0tKzW.0.MP6.oEQLo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/229 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------1E7B68702FE3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: 4th October, 1996 Dear All, RE: Building The Robert Adams Pulsed Electric Motor/Generator. (I have decided to nick-name it the FDD1 Motor/Generator (Floppy Disk Drive One)). Firstly, thankyou for the interest paid to the article I post to the Free Energy List last night. Alan, Bert and Mike from the States and Glenville from Aussi. Unfortunately some E-mail from Bob Allen fell into the waste paper basket by mistake. Alan, your comments on Bruce Cathie were interesting. I’ve heard of his work in a song ‘Lilly was here (space ratllehum)’ or something like that, and I thought it was just a song. Fact: I was talking to Gerhan, (a man team working on the Searl SEG in Germany) at the Searl Seminar in London during April this year and he was telling me about super-conductors. He said that if you suspend a magnet over a super-conductor it will hover there without moving (nothing new there I hear you say ) But... if you impress a sinusoidal magnetic pattern onto a cylindrical magnet and place it over the super-conductor, it will begin to spin. If you grasp it with your fingers and then release it again it will start to spin again. Project: FFD1 Motor/Generator. Attached is a ZIP file containing 2 bitmaps on the project details. The device I will be building will be using a precision bearing that has very little friction, if this is not enough, I could use an industrial sapphire bearing with a highly polished steel spindle, the same as used in the domestic electric meter. A Hall effect switch to determine the speed and to syncronise the pulses. The PIC will be pre-programmed to give the optimum pulse duration and cut off time for a given speed of rotation. I have spent nearly all day preparing a hardware layout and a circuit diagram as requested by several people, but I should stress that none of the circuit has been built and tested so there may be changes required, these I will post to the list as and when they occur. I welcome any comments on improvements that could be made, because I am the first to admit that my knowledge of electronics is not brilliant. Construction hints: I bought a tungsten carbide coated hacksaw blade today (its almost as cheap as a carbon steel blade) for cutting the ferrite rod and it works a treat, although you can only cut a shallow slot around the rod, otherwise you will get severe chipping occurring. When you have cut the slot you will find you can break the rod over the edge of your worktop. When you have cut the rod into 4 pieces, each of about 3 cm long, you need to grind flat faces on the end of each piece. Next, using a metal cutting disk mounted in a drill or bench grinder, grind two flat faces on the sides of the rollers to form a wedge shaped rod. You must wear goggles because of flying shards of ferrite could end up in your eyes, and a dust mask would be recommended too. I found that having a powerful magnet near the cutting surface can cut down on dust a little. When you have made 3 good wedges then wind the 200-400 turns of 32 SWG enameled copper wire onto each of the wedges. Make three perspex plates that tightly fit the end of the wedges and glue each wedge into each of the perspex base plates. Refer to the Hardware Layout for further construction details. Please get back to me if you are interested in building this device, I will be working on it myself over the next couple of weeks and I will try and keep you posted with my progress as I hope you will, and please post your progress to the list and not direct to me so that others can see what is progressing and be encouraged to have a go at doing this project themselves. Speak to soon. 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Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"uBlwT1.0.pa2.B0RLo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/230 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 20:20:02 -0500 From: Eric Krieg To: billb@eskimo.com Subject: please give a link to my sites dedicate to Dennis Lee's claims Dennis Lee is taking $10,000 from 2000 poorly educated investors nation wide for rights to distribute his free energy machines (they turn heat into electricity). Dennis claims the government is conspiring to cover up his invention to provide free energy to America. His effort is explained better in http://www.jongalt.com/dennis.htm - my pages starting at, http://www.voicenet.com/~eric/dennis.html, seem to provide the only skeptical response I know of in cyberspace. I've been unable to get the main stream press to investigate this. I'd like to see if anyone has anymore information on this. -- eric@voicenet.com http://www.voicenet.com/~eric/dennis.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 4 18:34:41 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id SAA16481; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 18:10:53 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 18:10:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 18:07:50 -0700 X-Sender: bailey@best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: Free Energy - Info Sharing Cc: ROBK@netcomuk.co.uk Resent-Message-ID: <"PkvXc2.0.Q14.RMRLo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/231 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Check out the Institute for New Enegy site at: http://www.padrak.com/ine/ If you all have anything to report, I'll post it and also get it into the New Energy News monthly newsletter. PB. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 4 21:03:01 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id UAA27097; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 20:56:13 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 20:56:13 -0700 (PDT) From: alexs@seanet.com Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 20:53:46 -0700 Message-Id: <199610050353.UAA14481@seanet.com> Subject: Antigrav for Real? To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailer: AIR Mail 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) Resent-Message-ID: <"F8YWO.0.Gd6.SnTLo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/233 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Energy Phreekers: Not too sure that this is the right place, but here goes: Read in recent New Scientist magazine (21 Sept 1996, p.7) that one Russian scientist, Eugene Podletnikov, just withdrew a paper to have been published in J. of Appl Phys D describing a bona-fide antigravity/gravity shielding device using a high-temperature superconductor (HTS). It was peer-reviewed by three referees but withdrawn at the last minute due to irregularities over authorship and sponsorship. The article states, "Podletnikov is said to be under pressure from unknown 'funding agencies' not to reveal any more, pending patent applications." Stinks a bit of the Cold Fusion affair, no? Any wild-eyed conspiracy theorists care to comment? Anyway, the gizmo is a cylindrical device that measures 275 mm diameter and contains a rotating ring of HTS ceramic in a bath of liquid N2. Apparently a troika of solenoids under the ring sets up a suspension/rotation magnetic field to spin it up to 5000rpm. It is said to reduce the weight of objects postitioned over the ring by 2 per cent. Independent physicists say that the so-called gravitomagnetic interaction predicted by Einstein may come into play in this invention, an effect possibly magnified by spinning ions within superconductors. Anybody out there hear anything more about this? ---------------- Alex Stoll alexs@seanet.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 4 22:05:42 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id VAA08307; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 21:59:15 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 21:59:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 23:59:20 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: Emerging Electromagnetic Technology Resent-Message-ID: <"RCJQm3.0.c12.XiULo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/234 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >At 06:35 AM 10/4/96 -0500, you wrote: >>At 11:07 PM 10/3/96 -0700, Rob wrote wrote: >>[mega snip in several supposedly free energy devices] >> >>>So... I have decided to built the Robert Adams Pulsed Electric >>>Motor/Generator. >>> >>>Questions: >>>1. Has anyone seen this device working ? >>>2. Has anyone heard of someone other Mr Adams and Mr McMurty, who has >>>reproduced a >>>working over-unity model of this device. >>>3. Has anyone got a recent data on this device? >> >>Rob, an excellent local experimenter here in Dallas built several Adams >>motors, one using about $1,000 worth of neodymium super magnets. The motors >>will run, but none come anywhere near 100% efficiency, much less over unity. >>I won't discourage you from building a motor, it is a good exercise in >>electronics and mechanical construction - but don't expect the moon! >> >>Bert >>nikki@fastlane.net >> > >>> >>>Regards Rob King >>> >>>Email addresses: >>> > > >What you want is much more sophistication. Check out the Muller dynamo: > >http://www.aa.net/~mwm/magnet/mmag2.html >____________________________________ >MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing >Michael Mandeville, publisher >mwm@aa.net >http://www.aa.net/~mwm And I would also recommend operability. Check out the Newman Motor/Generator: http://www.infochase.com/us/master/index.html Best regards, Evan Soule' Director of Information (504) 524-3063 P. O. Box 57684, New Orleans, Louisiana 70157-75684 ___________________________________________________ ` REPULSION ` ' * * ` * * ` ' * * * * \`/ * * \`/\'/ * * ^ * * ^ * * * * ^ / \ * * / \ * * * * / \ ` * * ` * * * * ' ` * * ` * * ATTRACTION * * ' ` ` ' SPIN DIRECTION OF THE GYROSCOPIC PARTICLES ___________________________________________________ * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * N E W M A N E N E R G Y P R O D U C T S Route 1, Box 52, Lucedale, MS 39452 (601) 947-7147 http://www.infochase.com/us/master/index.html josephnewman@earthlink.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 4 22:17:22 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id LAA03483; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 11:21:13 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 11:21:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199610041818.LAA03126@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 11:17:51 +0900 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: Free Energy Resent-Message-ID: <"B1xe4.0.Es.4LLLo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/228 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 06:35 AM 10/4/96 -0500, you wrote: >At 11:07 PM 10/3/96 -0700, Rob wrote wrote: >[mega snip in several supposedly free energy devices] > >>So... I have decided to built the Robert Adams Pulsed Electric >>Motor/Generator. >> >>Questions: >>1. Has anyone seen this device working ? >>2. Has anyone heard of someone other Mr Adams and Mr McMurty, who has >>reproduced a >>working over-unity model of this device. >>3. Has anyone got a recent data on this device? > >Rob, an excellent local experimenter here in Dallas built several Adams >motors, one using about $1,000 worth of neodymium super magnets. The motors >will run, but none come anywhere near 100% efficiency, much less over unity. >I won't discourage you from building a motor, it is a good exercise in >electronics and mechanical construction - but don't expect the moon! > >Bert >nikki@fastlane.net > >> >>Regards Rob King >> >>Email addresses: >> What you want is much more sophistication. Check out the Muller dynamo: http://www.aa.net/~mwm/magnet/mmag2.html ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 5 07:30:26 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id HAA05900; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 07:28:32 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 07:28:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <32568D7D.3E35@inu.net> Date: Sat, 05 Oct 1996 09:31:57 -0700 From: Bob Rutherford X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Low cost programming tool Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hbgk81.0.5S1.F2dLo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/235 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: If anyone is needing a good C++ compiler at low cost check out your local bookstore and get "Learn Visual C++ Now". It comes with a complete Visual C++ 1.0 compiler and tools on CD. I've compared it to my registered set purchased 2 years ago and it is in fact complete. At $39.95 its an excellent deal. What does it have to do with FE topics? Well from time to time I find myself writing small programs to do certain calculations or process collected data. There is lots of code out there for science and engineering written in C and C++ for those who care to look. ( University Libraries are great for this ). You can compile Windows and/or DOS programes with this compliler. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 5 12:15:57 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id MAA29468; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 12:14:09 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 12:14:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 12:13:50 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Free Energy In-Reply-To: <199610041135.GAA10450@fastlane.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"yacT21.0.LC7._DhLo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/236 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Fri, 4 Oct 1996, Bert Pool wrote: > Rob, an excellent local experimenter here in Dallas built several Adams > motors, one using about $1,000 worth of neodymium super magnets. Am I misremembering, but didn't on of the Adams articles say that neodymium magnets didn't work, that they were magnetically too "hard," and that the magnets have to be able to demagnetize a little? Or is that some other invention I'm remembering? .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 5 12:35:28 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id MAA03177; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 12:34:02 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 12:34:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 12:33:56 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Antigrav for Real? In-Reply-To: <199610050353.UAA14481@seanet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"0kPNA.0.Yn.fWhLo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/237 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Fri, 4 Oct 1996 alexs@seanet.com wrote: > Hi Energy Phreekers: > > Not too sure that this is the right place, > but here goes: > > Read in recent New Scientist magazine (21 Sept 1996, p.7) that > one Russian scientist, Eugene Podletnikov, just withdrew > a paper to have been published in J. of Appl Phys D > describing a bona-fide antigravity/gravity shielding device > using a high-temperature superconductor (HTS). There's a bunch of internet articles about this. I just started an Antigravity webpage recently as a collection point for them. It's link is on my Weird Science page. > Stinks a bit of the Cold Fusion affair, no? Any wild-eyed > conspiracy theorists care to comment? "Don't suspect conspiracy when human stupidity is a sufficent explanation." ;) I'm convinced that the greed/secrecy syndrome, the "inventors disease," is the reason why most unconventional science is in its present state. As soon as an inventor discovers something great, he/she goes paranoid, believes its a goldmine, hides it, and tries to sell it for big bucks to some big company, the military, the government, groups of financiers, etc. This is not science. Science is about helping human kind. Making a living would be nice, but if your intent is to strike a gold mine and then hide it's "location" from everyone else while you get fantastically wealthy and remain in total control, your actions are directed at yourself and not at others, and this behavior in science is pretty shameful. The secrecy and selling of free energy discoveries is the reason for the failure of the Hubbard coil, the Sweet VTA, the Searle device, Cold Fusion devices, etc., etc., ad infinitum. Most inventions aren't suppressed by the government. Human nature explains it all. .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 5 14:51:53 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id OAA25300; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 14:47:41 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 14:47:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 14:46:50 -0700 X-Sender: bailey@best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: INE Site Updated on 10/5/96. Resent-Message-ID: <"0-eDx2.0.7B6.xTjLo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/238 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: The Institute for New Energy Web Site has been updated at: http://www.padrak.com/ine/ ------------- ------------------------------------------------------------ Date Included Additions, Expansions, or Revisions ------------- ------------------------------------------------------------ Oct. 5, 1996 Added: Dennis Lee presentation review and expose'. Newman Energy Machine Update Email. Products Page: Reports, Papers, Patents, etc. Updated: Products page (Reports, Books, Vidoetapes, etc). Websites. Added Eric Craig's expose' of Dennis Lee. Brown's Gas Website address changed. Added Zenergy Corporation. Site Counter = 28,868. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 5 14:52:08 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id OAA25416; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 14:48:01 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 14:48:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 14:47:21 -0700 X-Sender: bailey@best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: Lee, Dennis: An Examination of His Claims Resent-Message-ID: <"YFM6h1.0.1D6.FUjLo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/239 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Lee, Dennis: An Examination of His Claims http://www.voicenet.com/~eric/dennis.html Eric Craig's Page examining the amazing claims of Dennis Lee of Better World Technology -declaration of energy independence. For the sake of the world I wish he would succeed, but I'm concerned for his many investors if this will go the way of most similar claims I've studied. On September 23 1996, 3 friends and I went to hear him speak at the Philly Corestates Center. My investigation showed he spent somewhere around $100,000 to put on that show. I found the style intriguing - it caused me to think of shoppers home network, professional wrestling, Jim Bakker and Uri Gellor, Among the many things we think deserve further skepticism are: (16 listed). Dennis should be open to my offer to personally test his devices in the presence of main stream press people... I encourage anyone looking at any fantastic claims to first be aware of critical thinking . - this group of people act as public servants despite personal risk and with no hope of getting rich. Our single greatest rule is: EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS REQUIRE EXTRAORDINARY EVIDENCE! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 5 16:21:25 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id QAA21364; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 16:19:55 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 16:19:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <32575DDF.47F1@netcomuk.co.uk> Date: Sun, 06 Oct 1996 00:21:03 -0700 From: Rob King X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-NC260 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: Free Energy MPEG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"eTsRW.0.jD5.QqkLo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/241 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Dear Steffan, (Chernetskii?) I have an original copy of "It runs on Water" - Equinox and... "Cold Fusion" - Horizon and "The Thesta-Distactica" from Methernita. It is very encouraging to watch these devices running but it still fails to give you enough details to reproduce them. I think I remember seeing the Thesta-Distactica was being manufactured and is now for sale. I will need to check this out though. I am sorry I have not got a video capture device, or you could all see it for yourselves. Rob King From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 5 17:56:21 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id RAA12033; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 17:41:47 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 17:41:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Kap808@aol.com Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 20:41:04 -0400 Message-ID: <961005204104_537437809@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Free Energy MPEG Resent-Message-ID: <"qZ_X82.0.rx2.91mLo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/242 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Please let me know what you find out about the devices you discuss. Is there any chance you could make a copy of the film? I would be happy to reimburse you for any expense involved. You can reach me at Kap808@aol.com, or by writing to Steve Kaplan, 3635 SW 87th, #12, Portland, OR 97225. (503)297-2424 - phone & fax. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 5 20:08:27 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id UAA10414 for bilb@eskimo.com; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 20:07:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 20:07:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Envelope-From: davidspd@world.net Sat Oct 5 20:06:48 1996 Received: from world.net (sydney2.world.net [198.142.12.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA10286 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 20:06:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ascot.world.net (sydney50.world.net [192.190.215.50]) by world.net (8.7.4/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA27166 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 13:07:23 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <32581139.3030@world.net> Old-Date: Sun, 06 Oct 1996 13:06:17 -0700 From: Gill Davies X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Antigrav for Real? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list X-Envelope-To: freenrg-l Status: RO X-Status: William Beaty wrote: > > > Read in recent New Scientist magazine (21 Sept 1996, p.7) that > > one Russian scientist, Eugene Podletnikov, just withdrew Yup, I read that article too, if you go to alta vista and do a search on the name of the guy Podletnikov you'll find the original papers describing the experiment and the resultant *gravity shielding* effect. There are supposedly people working on reproducing the work, namely Pod's assistant Susan Lau (I think that's her name) and there is supposed to be interest from NASA who have quoted that "They may as well get involved ..... just in case .." (now I wonder what they would want such a device for .......) All I suppose we can say is *Watch this space !!!* Regards, Ascot :) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 6 01:34:50 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id BAA15989; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 01:32:23 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 01:32:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 01:32:17 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Tampere Antigravity In-Reply-To: <32581139.3030@world.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"3MQnB.0.kv3.MwsLo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/243 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Sat, 5 Oct 1996, Gill Davies wrote: > William Beaty wrote: > > > > > > Read in recent New Scientist magazine (21 Sept 1996, p.7) that > > > one Russian scientist, Eugene Podletnikov, just withdrew > > > Yup, > I read that article too, if you go to alta vista and do a search on the name of > the guy Podletnikov you'll find the original papers describing the experiment > and the resultant *gravity shielding* effect. A couple of somewhat upsetting tidbits from various articles: When an object is placed above the spinning disk or ring, it takes some time for the weight to reduce. The exact grain structure of the High Temp superconductor is important for reproducing the effect. The first one above is befuddling. If there is a column of shielded gravity above the disk, how could there ever be a delay between the time an object was inserted into the column, and the time the weight reduction was complete? Does this also mean that if an object is suddenly removed from the column, its weight remains low for awhile? So, if the effect was immensely amplified, it could be used to temporarily place the property of weightlessness upon objects and people?!!! Go flying for awhile until your weight slowly came back? The second one above is depressing. It suggests that there is a secret, a special ceramic process, needed to produce the antigravity effect. .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 6 19:33:48 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id TAA09403; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 19:23:52 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 19:23:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 21:23:56 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199610070223.VAA13135@fastlane.net> X-Sender: nikki@fastlane.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Bert Pool Subject: Re: Free Energy Resent-Message-ID: <"RR01i.0.mI2.kc6Mo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/244 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 12:13 PM 10/5/96 -0700, you wrote: >On Fri, 4 Oct 1996, Bert Pool wrote: > >> Rob, an excellent local experimenter here in Dallas built several Adams >> motors, one using about $1,000 worth of neodymium super magnets. > >Am I misremembering, but didn't on of the Adams articles say that >neodymium magnets didn't work, that they were magnetically too "hard," and >that the magnets have to be able to demagnetize a little? Or is that some >other invention I'm remembering? > >.....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. >William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 >EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ >Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page > > Yeah, Norm (Wootan) found that alnico magnets worked better than the neodymium, but no configuration that was tried went over unity. Bert nikki@fastlane.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 7 05:03:04 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id EAA10805; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 04:49:17 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 04:49:17 -0700 (PDT) From: rvanspaa@netspace.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Tampere Antigravity Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 11:49:15 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <3258daa0.27452055@mail.netspace.net.au> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99f/32.299 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <"fomWH1.0.ke2.yuEMo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/245 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Sun, 6 Oct 1996 01:32:17 -0700 (PDT), William Beaty wrote: [snip] >A couple of somewhat upsetting tidbits from various articles: > > When an object is placed above the spinning disk or ring, it takes > some time for the weight to reduce. This may be due to time required for spinning elemental particles to align in the field. Perhaps they need to draw on thermal energy of the object when aligning. > > The exact grain structure of the High Temp superconductor is > important for reproducing the effect. > >The first one above is befuddling. If there is a column of shielded >gravity above the disk, how could there ever be a delay between the time >an object was inserted into the column, and the time the weight = reduction >was complete? Does this also mean that if an object is suddenly removed >from the column, its weight remains low for awhile? So, if the effect = was >immensely amplified, it could be used to temporarily place the property = of >weightlessness upon objects and people?!!! Go flying for awhile until >your weight slowly came back?=20 Yes, while you cool off :). [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Check out: http://netspace.net.au/~rvanspaa for how CF depends on=20 temperature. Man is the creature that comes into this world knowing everything, Learns all his life, And leaves knowing nothing. -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 7 07:02:24 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id HAA08124 for bilb@eskimo.com; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 07:02:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 07:02:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Envelope-From: DEBRUYP@tc.gc.ca Mon Oct 7 07:02:19 1996 Received: from simba.tc.gc.ca (aladdin.tc.gc.ca [198.103.96.10]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA08096 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 07:02:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.tc.gc.ca by simba with ESMTP (DuhMail/2.0) id KAA14125; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 10:00:24 -0400 Received: from Microsoft Mail (PU Serial #1464) by SMTP.tc.gc.ca (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.8d for Windows NT(tm)) id AA-1996Oct07.095107.1464.351310; Mon, 07 Oct 1996 09:53:19 -0400 From: DEBRUYP@tc.gc.ca (De Bruyn Kops, Peter - AFCB) Old-Return-Receipt-To: DEBRUYP@tc.gc.ca (De Bruyn Kops, Peter - AFCB) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com (freenrg-l) Message-ID: <1996Oct07.095107.1464.351310@SMTP.tc.gc.ca> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail via PostalUnion/SMTP for Windows NT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Old-Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 09:53:19 -0400 Subject: RE: Free Energy - Part 2 X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list X-Envelope-To: freenrg-l Status: RO X-Status: Thank you for posting your work, this is the first time on this news feed that I actual received documents, and diagrams about a project that is being worked on. I would like to get involved in some of these experiments, and appreciate the time and effort you have put into this. Best of luck on your endeavors, and keep up the good work! Respectfully, Peter de Bruyn Kops debruyp@tc.gc.ca Ottawa, Canada ---------- From: freenrg-l To: freenrg-l Subject: Free Energy - Part 2 Date: Friday, October 04, 1996 8:28PM <> <> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Date: 4th October, 1996 Dear All, RE: Building The Robert Adams Pulsed Electric Motor/Generator. (I have decided to nick-name it the FDD1 Motor/Generator (Floppy Disk Drive One)). Firstly, thankyou for the interest paid to the article I post to the Free Energy List last night. Alan, Bert and Mike from the States and Glenville from Aussi. Unfortunately some E-mail from Bob Allen fell into the waste paper basket by mistake. Alan, your comments on Bruce Cathie were interesting. IÆve heard of hi s work in a song æLilly was here (space ratllehum)Æ or something like t hat, and I thought it was just a song. Fact: I was talking to Gerhan, (a man team working on the Searl SEG in Germany) at the Searl Seminar in London during April this year and he was telling me about super-conductors. He said that if you suspend a magnet over a super-conductor it will hover there without moving (nothing new there I hear you say ) But... if you impress a sinusoidal magnetic pattern onto a cylindrical magnet and place it over the super-conductor, it will begin to spin. If you grasp it with your fingers and then release it again it will start to spin again. Project: FFD1 Motor/Generator. Attached is a ZIP file containing 2 bitmaps on the project details. The device I will be building will be using a precision bearing that has very little friction, if this is not enough, I could use an industrial sapphire bearing with a highly polished steel spindle, the same as used in the domestic electric meter. A Hall effect switch to determine the speed and to syncronise the pulses. The PIC will be pre-programmed to give the optimum pulse duration and cut off time for a given speed of rotation. I have spent nearly all day preparing a hardware layout and a circuit diagram as requested by several people, but I should stress that none of the circuit has been built and tested so there may be changes required, these I will post to the list as and when they occur. I welcome any comments on improvements that could be made, because I am the first to admit that my knowledge of electronics is not brilliant. Construction hints: I bought a tungsten carbide coated hacksaw blade today (its almost as cheap as a carbon steel blade) for cutting the ferrite rod and it works a treat, although you can only cut a shallow slot around the rod, otherwise you will get severe chipping occurring. When you have cut the slot you will find you can break the rod over the edge of your worktop. When you have cut the rod into 4 pieces, each of about 3 cm long, you need to grind flat faces on the end of each piece. Next, using a metal cutting disk mounted in a drill or bench grinder, grind two flat faces on the sides of the rollers to form a wedge shaped rod. You must wear goggles because of flying shards of ferrite could end up in your eyes, and a dust mask would be recommended too. I found that having a powerful magnet near the cutting surface can cut down on dust a little. When you have made 3 good wedges then wind the 200-400 turns of 32 SWG enameled copper wire onto each of the wedges. Make three perspex plates that tightly fit the end of the wedges and glue each wedge into each of the perspex base plates. Refer to the Hardware Layout for further construction details. Please get back to me if you are interested in building this device, I will be working on it myself over the next couple of weeks and I will try and keep you posted with my progress as I hope you will, and please post your progress to the list and not direct to me so that others can see what is progressing and be encouraged to have a go at doing this project themselves. Speak to soon. Regards, Rob King Email addresses: ROBK@netcomuk.co.uk rob.king@infosys.gecalsthom.sprint.com --base64 encoded file (ATTACH01) attached... From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 7 08:40:30 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id IAA29151; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 08:36:32 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 08:36:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 09:36:15 -0600 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19961007093931.26c7755e@holly.colostate.edu> X-Sender: trex@holly.colostate.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Thomas Rice Subject: UFO UpDate: Disclosure of information Resent-Message-ID: <"l5Ai02.0.O77._DIMo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/246 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Greetings to All, Every time I read one of these I get a good laugh,,, and then I wonder what would happen if it were true. Thomas >X-Sender: updates@globalserve.net >Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 01:34:25 -0400 >To: updates@globalserve.net >From: UFO UpDates - Toronto >Subject: UFO UpDate: Disclosure of information > >Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 20:53:19 -0400 >From: RSchatte@aol.com >To: ebknapp@yesic.com (ufoupdates-toronto) >Subject: Disclosure of information > >Forwarded Message: >Subj: Disclosure of information >Date: 96-10-04 15:10:51 EDT >From: pparri@republic.net (Pat Parrinello) > > > Information concerning the propulsion of UFO (Alien Spacecraft) > will be released to the world on October 11, 1996 at > the Civic Center in West Columbia, Texas, at a public > meeting sponsored by the West Columbia Library. > > The method to be revealed points to the conversion > of electromagnetic energy to gravitational inerta. > > Physical demonstration will be given and templates > for construction and duplication of the device will > be available to all interested parties. > > Some questions will be allowed. > > ~Pat~ > >______________________________________________ > >Errol Bruce-Knapp (updates@globalserve.net) >UFO UpDates - Toronto - 416-932-0031 > >An E-Mail Subscription Service for >Serious Students of UFO-Related Phenomena > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 7 12:32:36 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id MAA28037; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:19:38 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:19:38 -0700 (PDT) Path: sv.span.com!swassell From: swassell@sv.span.com (Stephen Wassell) Subject: Re: Low cost programming tool References: <32568D7D.3E35@inu.net> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Message-ID: <844623671snx@sv.span.com> X-Mailer: cppnews $Revision: 1.41 $ X-Poster: RAID@span.com, Sound & Vision Internet BBS [+44] (0)181-288-8444 Date: Sun, 06 Oct 96 10:41:11 GMT Organization: Basingstoke, England Lines: 20 Resent-Message-ID: <"MLud31.0.xr6.8VLMo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/247 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: In article <32568D7D.3E35@inu.net> you write: >If anyone is needing a good C++ compiler at low cost check out your >local bookstore and get "Learn Visual C++ Now". It comes with a complete >Visual C++ 1.0 compiler and tools on CD. I've compared it to my >registered set purchased 2 years ago and it is in fact complete. At >$39.95 its an excellent deal. What does it have to do with FE topics? There's an even better C compiler, also for Dos that is completely free and available on the internet - that's DJGPP. It may not be ideal for beginers but it is a very good compiler with plenty of useful C++ classes including complex numbers. There's a bit about it in the programming section of my web page if anyone's interested. -__-_--_._--_-__-.._--_-__-.-__-_--_..._--_-__-.-__-_--_..-__-_--_._--_-__- _____ __ __ / ____)\ \ / / Stephen Wassell \____ \ \ \/\/ / swassell@sv.span.com (_____/ \_/\_/ See my home page! - http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/1204/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 7 18:27:00 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id SAA18156; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 18:09:08 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 18:09:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 18:04:19 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l Subject: RE: Free Energy - Part 2 In-Reply-To: <1996Oct07.095107.1464.351310@SMTP.tc.gc.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Vx-Og3.0.XR4.kcQMo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/248 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Mon, 7 Oct 1996, De Bruyn Kops, Peter - AFCB wrote: > > Thank you for posting your work, this is the first time on this news feed > that I actual received documents, and diagrams about a project that is being > worked on. Just in case anyone has missed it, the archives for project plans, etc., are on WEIRD SCIENCE page under "Not your average construction project." .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 7 21:25:49 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id VAA04657; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 21:17:44 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 21:17:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199610080414.VAA19852@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 21:16:56 +0900 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: Lee, Dennis: An Examination of His Claims Resent-Message-ID: <"1UGhH1.0.U81.bNTMo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/249 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 02:47 PM 10/5/96 -0700, you wrote: >Lee, Dennis: An Examination of His Claims > >http://www.voicenet.com/~eric/dennis.html > >getting rich. Our single greatest rule is: EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS REQUIRE >EXTRAORDINARY EVIDENCE! > > > > it is a cute phrase, but i really don't believe anything other than plain competent, direct logical evidence of ability to create effect at will is required. ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 8 09:43:26 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id JAA16781; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 09:40:05 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 09:40:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3259CFF7.55E6@cyberportal.net> Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 23:52:23 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: (no subject) References: <199610081613.MAA14718@cyberport.cyberportal.net> <3259CCB4.1653@cyberportal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"V98PT2.0.464.aFeMo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/250 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Re: Indian Herbal Petrol It has been known for over 2000 years that Petrol (fuel) can be obtained from certain plants. Neem, Peruvian or lapacho bark will yield a diesel type fuel. The Jachoba plant will also supply us with fuel. These plants are first boiled in water. Table salt, sodium chloride, will displace the plant oils. Epsom salt is then added to seperate the oil from the water. The oil floats and is skimmed off. One Jachoba plant takes about one year to grow the size of an average man. One plant will yield aprox. 1 quart of fuel. Is this economical? Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 8 10:13:23 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id JAA20369; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 09:56:23 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 09:56:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3259D316.657D@cyberportal.net> Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 00:05:42 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: (no subject) References: <199610081614.MAA14772@cyberport.cyberportal.net> <3259CD24.374E@cyberportal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"aYJRh3.0.8-4.8UeMo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/251 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: To: Radiant Energy Device Experimenters I originally directed people to use chlorine gas in my radiant energy tubes. I beleived it to be a replacement for radioactive activators. This was a mistake that was sure to haunt me. The chlorine as an activator turned out to a bad substitution. The output from a tube using chlorine is minute. The electrodes are attacked by the chlorine. Not to mention this gas is poisonous to breath. I now realize that there is no substitution for the radioactive activators. This is the reason why this device will not be allowed for public use. The government has made people absolutely paranoid about "radiation." Yes, the radioactive materials in a nuclear reactor are toxic! However, what they fail to tell people is that the radioactivity extracted from natural radioactive ores are not deadly. If you process the ores with fluorine gas, of course its going to become deadly. What if the radioactive materials are made into a simple tinture? They don't want you to know the truth. Where do you think "zero-point" energy comes from? Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 8 10:14:02 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id JAA21164; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 09:59:45 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 09:59:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3259D487.3FFC@cyberportal.net> Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 00:11:51 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: (no subject) References: <199610081619.MAA14949@cyberport.cyberportal.net> <3259CDD7.2200@cyberportal.net> <3259D3C0.619C@cyberportal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Hdp2x3.0.ZA5.zXeMo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/253 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: To: All I began experimenting early this morning. I have found the power source of the Hendershot device. Read page #41 "FROM THE ARCHIVES OF LESTER J. HENDERSHOT." Paragraphs 4-6. It is really simple when you look at for what it. The Hendershot device is powered by two electrolytic cells! One element is iron, the other aluminum. In this case the consumed element is iron. The oxide layer on the aluminum foil acts as a depolorizer. The Hendershot circuit converts the direct current from the electrolytic cells into 220 volts, 60Hz. There you have it, mystery solved... Fellow Researcher, Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 8 10:14:52 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id JAA20952; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 09:58:54 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 09:58:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3259D387.63B1@cyberportal.net> Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 00:07:35 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: (no subject) References: <199610081617.MAA14846@cyberport.cyberportal.net> <3259CD9C.1798@cyberportal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OlE2p2.0.C75.1XeMo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/252 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Response to fellow researchers, Dennis C. Lee wrote: Hi Bruce; I found the xenon flash tube switching idea on your circuit fascinating. Can these tubes switch the required 1000 - 2000 Amps/uS for the primary of a tesla coil? Regards; Dennis C. Lee A. The tube circuit was not designed to power Tesla coils. I use a differentciruit now for the radiant energy tube. I am hoping to have the circuit scanned soon so that I can send it to fellow researchers. Sorry for the attitude I popped the other day. I thought you were Dennis M. Lee. Warm regards, Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 8 11:18:20 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id LAA09280; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 11:10:05 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 11:10:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3259E45F.2076@cyberportal.net> Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 01:19:27 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: (no subject) References: <19961008172534.AAA18372@p57016.syspac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2108M.0.vG2.oZfMo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/256 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: John in Phx wrote: > > At 11:52 PM 10/7/96 -0400, you wrote: > >Re: Indian Herbal Petrol > > > >It has been known for over 2000 years that Petrol (fuel) can be > >obtained from certain plants. > > > >Neem, Peruvian or lapacho bark will yield a diesel type fuel. > >The Jachoba plant will also supply us with fuel. > > > >These plants are first boiled in water. Table salt, sodium chloride, > >will displace the plant oils. Epsom salt is then added to seperate > >the oil from the water. The oil floats and is skimmed off. > > > >One Jachoba plant takes about one year to grow the size of an average > >man. One plant will yield aprox. 1 quart of fuel. Is this economical? > > Several years ago (4 or 5) Jachoba 'farms' sprang up all over Southern > Arizona. All but one has gone bust. The answer would seem to be - NO > is not economical or profitable. > > > > >Bruce A. Perreault > > > > > ************************************************* > "I came, I conquered, I saw." > Julius Cesear as a dyslexic > ************************************************* > > John Conneally > john@noblarney.com > voice 602 631 9695 > fax 602 277 4725 (call first) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 9 06:00:32 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id FAA07294; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 05:57:43 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 05:57:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <325BBDCF.2125@txdirect.net> Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 07:59:27 -0700 From: lgarrett X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: plants for fuel References: <199610081613.MAA14718@cyberport.cyberportal.net> <3259CCB4.1653@cyberportal.net> <3259CFF7.55E6@cyberportal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VANIb1.0.tn1.65wMo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/257 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Bruce A. Perreault wrote: > > Re: Indian Herbal Petrol > > It has been known for over 2000 years that Petrol (fuel) can be > obtained from certain plants. > > Neem, Peruvian or lapacho bark will yield a diesel type fuel. > The Jachoba plant will also supply us with fuel. > > These plants are first boiled in water. Table salt, sodium chloride, > will displace the plant oils. Epsom salt is then added to seperate > the oil from the water. The oil floats and is skimmed off. > > One Jachoba plant takes about one year to grow the size of an average > man. One plant will yield aprox. 1 quart of fuel. Is this economical? > > Bruce A. Perreault Check out hempseed oil, its a direct replacement for diesel fuel. It takes about $100.00 to rejet the injectors. The byproduct from the seeds is a high quality protein food equal to soybean. Other byproducts are methanol, methane, or gasoline from pyrolysis. These fuels have no sulfer and when they burn they only put back 2/3 of the CO2 they use to grow. Hemp is the only plant that can produce enough per acre to compete with petroleum, growing on marginal land with minimal chemicals and 2 to 3 crops a year. For more info See SUMERIA hemp FAQ http://www.livelinks.com/sumeria/politics/hempfaq.html For the mother of all conspiracies see an open letter to all americans http://www.livelinks.com/sumeria/politics/shadu.3html "Those who would forfeit essential liberty for temporary safety, deserve neither liberty or safety." Benjamin Franklin Rod Mena lgarrett@txdirect.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 9 06:18:08 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id GAA11663; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 06:15:55 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 06:15:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <325BC211.2E6A@txdirect.net> Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 08:17:38 -0700 From: lgarrett X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: (no subject) References: <19961008172534.AAA18372@p57016.syspac.com> <3259E45F.2076@cyberportal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bAFeH1.0.2s2.AMwMo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/258 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I sent the wrong conspiracy link the correct one is: An open letter to all Americans http://www.livelinks.com/sumeria/politics/shadv.3html sorry Rod Mena lgarrett@txdirect.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 9 06:30:21 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id GAA13801; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 06:27:50 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 06:27:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <325BC4E0.45B3@txdirect.net> Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 08:29:36 -0700 From: lgarrett X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: (no subject) References: <19961008172534.AAA18372@p57016.syspac.com> <3259E45F.2076@cyberportal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XozDO1.0.YN3.LXwMo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/259 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I did it twice in a row try again An open letter to all Americans http://www.livelinks.com/sumeria/politics/shadv3.html sorry again Rod From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 9 09:47:28 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id JAA25812; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 09:26:28 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 09:26:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <325B598C.3419@cyberportal.net> Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 03:51:40 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Hendershot cell construction details... 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JAA26592; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 09:29:35 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 09:29:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <325B5A75.548F@cyberportal.net> Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 03:55:33 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Hendershot cell construction details... Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii; name="Hendershoot .htm" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Hendershoot .htm" Content-Base: "file:///C|/My%20Documents/ENERGY/Hende rshoot%20.htm" Resent-Message-ID: <"ARhPF.0.OV6.jBzMo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/261 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: The Hendershoot Generator

The Hendershot Generator

I began experimenting early on the morning of Tuesday, October 8th, 1996. I found the power source of the Hendershot device. Read page #41 "FROM THE ARCHIVES OF LESTER J. HENDERSHOT." Paragraphs 4-6;

4. The hand wrapped capacitors are the most difficult to build and are the critical key item to success or failure in producing results. The foil from two capacitors, Pyramid electrolytic TM 58, must be removed from the can that encloses the foil by cutting the top or bottom off with a hack saw or other cutting device. The coiled foil is removed from two capacitors and spread out on a flat table. A TM capacitor should measure, including foil and paper, 911/8" long and 2¾" wide. Wipe off excess electrolytic solution so that it is dry. One side of the paper holding the foil will be full length, the opposite side will be split with terminal connections appearing at each end of the slit portion. The capacitors that were used in the early experiments had a gap between the split foil of ¾". You may use a substitute capacitor and trim foil to size.

5. Prepare two cylinders of metal with dimensions of 5" in diameter by 2¾" wide. A stainless steel sheet metal.032 thick was used in Hendershot's cylinders, open at both ends. Before wrapping begins, insulate the cylinders with pure craft paper (see Fig. 1 & 3). Ordinary brown paper wrapping paper is unsatisfactory as it contains impurities. Wax paper might be used as a substitute.

6. It is interesting to note that Hendershot originally used one pound coffee cans for the capacitor cylinders but found that after a period of time the electrolyte left in the capacitor paper would leave perforations in the metal, rendering the cylinder useless. This is why he made the later cylinders of stainless steel.

It is really simple when you look at for what it. The Hendershot device is powered by two electrolytic cells! One element is iron, the other oxidized aluminum. In this case the consumed element is iron. The oxidized aluminum foil acts as a depolorizer. The Hendershot circuit converts the direct current from the electrolytic cells into 220 volts, 60Hz.

The foil type electrolytic capacitor has a thin rectangular sheet of aluminum (anode) wound in a spiral so as to be conveniently housed in a metal cylinder. This spiral sheet is etched with acid to increase its surface area, is immersed in an electrolyte, which is usually a solution of ammonium borate. The solution, like all electrolytes, conducts electric current. During a "forming" process a thin film of aluminum oxide is deposited on the spiral, which serves as the dielectric. This oxide layer is very strong. This dielectric is "self-healing." If the oxide layer becomes depleted, on removing the load, the action of the electrolyte on the aluminum reforms the oxide layer.

When constructing the Hendershot cell wipe off the "excess" solution, do not allow to become bone dry. "Wax paper" can not be used as the "insulator," this would hinder the function of the cell. "Insulator" is an inaccurate term. It should read separator.
From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 9 09:58:19 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id JAA29818; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 09:41:29 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 09:41:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <325B5D37.63FF@cyberportal.net> Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 04:07:19 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Economics of Herbal fuels... References: <199610091420.OAA06259@korovev.stm.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BJxhD.0.iH7.sMzMo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/262 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Bruce A. Perreault wrote: Is the extraction of fuel from plants economical? Josef Hasslberger writes: Maybe you should not talk before you have examined the evidence. The talk in India certainly indicates that the man is making several hundred quarts at a time, and that there are plans to make a mass production plant (seems to be in the millions of quarts range). At least let's look at what the man actually has before condemning it as uneconomical, should we? Regards - Josef Josef Hasslberger, Rampa Brancaleone 25 - 00165 Rome - ITALY j.hasslberger@agora.stm.it> when you have nothing better to do, check out my homepage for philosophical views on physics, economy and new energy at http://www.agora.stm.it/J.Hasslberger Bruce A. Perreault responds: When I write to the Free Energy Group it is for the sole purpose of opening up discussions. I do not mean to give the impression that I am condemning. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 9 10:13:42 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id JAA01620; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 09:48:09 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 09:48:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <325B5EB8.2C9A@cyberportal.net> Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 04:13:44 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Research data for: plants for fuel References: <199610081613.MAA14718@cyberport.cyberportal.net> <3259CCB4.1653@cyberportal.net> <3259CFF7.55E6@cyberportal.net> <325BBDCF.2125@txdirect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FuXrm3.0.CP.8TzMo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/263 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: lgarrett writes: Check out hempseed oil, its a direct replacement for diesel fuel. It takes about $100.00 to rejet the injectors. The byproduct from the seeds is a high quality protein food equal to soybean. Other byproducts are methanol, methane, or gasoline from pyrolysis. These fuels have no sulfer and when they burn they only put back 2/3 of the CO2 they use to grow. Hemp is the only plant that can produce enough per acre to compete with petroleum, growing on marginal land with minimal chemicals and 2 to 3 crops a year. For more info See SUMERIA hemp FAQ http://www.livelinks.com/sumeria/politics/hempfaq.html For the mother of all conspiracies see an open letter to all americans http://www.livelinks.com/sumeria/politics/shadv.3html "Those who would forfeit essential liberty for temporary safety, deserve neither liberty or safety." Benjamin Franklin Rod Mena lgarrett@txdirect.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 10 02:49:30 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id QAA28943; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:21:17 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:21:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <325C9AE5.74FB@netcomuk.co.uk> Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 23:42:45 -0700 From: Rob King X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-NC260 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Free Energy Part 3 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------244514B26303" Resent-Message-ID: <"Ai7_y1.0.347.WD3No"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/264 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------244514B26303 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: 10th October, 1996 Dear All, PART 3. RE: Building The Robert Adams Pulsed Electric Motor/Generator. (I have decided to nick-name it the FDD1 Motor/Generator (Floppy Disk Drive One)). The good news is that I have heard that 5 people have succeeded with this project and 4 have failed. Project: FFD1 Motor/Generator. Attached is a ZIP file containing 2 bitmaps on the project details. This evening I bolted the bearing to the bearing plate with just one very small bolt. I have not cut out any of the holes for the coils yet, see the diagram. There seems to be a lot of friction around the bearing, some WD40 helped but it still seems as if it is not free running enough. So I rested the end of the polished spindle on a Formica worktop and this seemed to improve the free running time, when you spin it with your fingers, by about three fold. I therefore suggest fixing a piece of perspex/plexiglas, Formica, very slippery plastic etc. under the base of the spindle so the weight of the magnetic disk is resting upon it. You will need to be careful not to push the spindle too far upward so as to force the spindle against the base of the bearing. Ideally a flat piece of industrial sapphire would be perfect but a hard plastic seems second best. You should be looking at about 18 seconds of spin with a single flick using one finger. I have two more bolts to put in and then I will start cutting out the 3 wedge shaped holes, but remember to make the holes so that you can make 3 more holes giving a total of 6 wedge shaped holes because we may be adding some more coils later on and if you make these 3 holes too big there will not be enough material for the next 3 holes. If you have any ideas on using optical sensors and flip-flops to control the coil pulses for those who do not have access to a PIC programmer then I would be most grateful. Post it to this list as part of the “Free Energy” project. Back to the cores, the rod is 16mm diameter and about 35 mm long (3 of plus 1 spare). If you cannot get 16mm ferrite rod then use the standard 9mm rod (MW/LW rod) but with two pieces bound together, and you may get away without shaping it at all. Does anyone know what was used in the original Robert Adams machine for the cores ? Having no cores at all reduces the magnetic drag but reduces the efficiency in the field produced by the coil and may make things a lot worse. Although you may be able to compensate be increasing the number of turns and use thinner wire. Does anyone know how magnetic lensing works, the concentration of a magnetic fields using multiple coils ? Please let me know how you are getting on, if you are building the device. Speak to soon. 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <"GwFof3.0.r12.cbDNo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/265 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Wed, 09 Oct 1996, Rob King wrote: [snip] >RE: Building The Robert Adams Pulsed Electric Motor/Generator. >(I have decided to nick-name it the FDD1 Motor/Generator (Floppy Disk=20 >Drive One)). > >The good news is that I have heard that 5 people have succeeded with = this=20 >project and 4 have failed. Who are the succeeders? Have they published their configurations=20 and test results? Who were the failers? What did they do that was different? This could be extremely valuable data in working out what is going on! =46rom what I've heard, Adams has progressed far beyond what he has released via Nexus (I think he built the motor described in the plans back in the 70's) but is unable to publish at this time=20 because of non-disclosure agreements with his backer(s). > [snip] >Ideally a flat piece of industrial sapphire would be perfect but a hard=20 >plastic seems second best. How about P.T.F.E. (teflon)? That is *V*E*R*Y* slippery! >Does anyone know what was used in the original Robert Adams machine for=20 >the cores ? The original Adams material published by Nexus suggests cores from "3000-type" relays. These are a high grade soft iron core about 1/4" diameter and 3" long with a threaded section at one end (4 B.A. from memory) used for mounting the core into the=20 soft iron relay frame and a 1/2" diameter disk at the other end=20 which acted as a pole piece for the armature. These relays were=20 made and used in their billions. They were standard in all=20 telephone exchanges and many other applications for at least=20 30 years although they are getting rather hard to find in these=20 days of miniaturisation and solid state. Adams suggested=20 cutting the cores in half and rethreading the top half, thus=20 getting two cores from each relay core, but you need access=20 to a lathe to do this properly. In the one I built I didn't bother cutting down the cores, I just left them at full size. I used plastic saddle clamps around=20 the coils to mount them in place and used all brass or stainless steel fastening devices, aluminium for any brackets and a wooden base so that the only magnetic elements around were the magnets and cores.=20 > [snip] btw Rob, I'm an aussie like Glen, not an american! culatyr =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Quantum Mechanics: The Dreams that Stuff is made of. - Michael Sinz =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 10 07:16:27 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id HAA05585; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 07:14:07 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 07:14:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 07:13:59 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Adams motor Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"QewGw3.0.7N1.jIGNo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/266 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > Does anyone know how magnetic lensing works, the concentration of a > magnetic fields using multiple coils ? Concentration of fields is done with cores. Putting cores on either side of the high-field region, and making the high-field region a small gap in the core material, makes the field strong. Solid iron is bad if you're pulsing the field, since its conductivity acts as a shield, and the inside of the iron never gets any fields in it. Magnetic insulators are better, such as ferrite ceramic, or stacked laminations with insulating paint between. Multiple coils can always be hooked together into one big coil, therefor you might as well just wind one big coil where you need strong fields. Little-known rule: the strength of an electromagnet is proportional to the amount of wire, the total mass of wire. This is because the more wire, the cooler the coil runs, which means you can crank the current up more without damaging the coil from overheat. In hindsight this makes sense: big electromagnets are more powerful than small! Obvious, no? The type of wire also makes a difference, but usually no one talks about it, because copper is nearly the best, and the next better metal, silver, is too expensive. Big, silver-wound electromagnets would be best, but too silly! .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 10 07:55:36 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id HAA14312; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 07:49:30 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 07:49:30 -0700 (PDT) From: alansch@zip.com.au (Alan Schneider) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Adams motor Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 14:49:29 GMT Message-ID: <326008d7.18423631@mail.zip.com.au> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99f/32.299 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <"SSkXp1.0.VV3.vpGNo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/267 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: A On Thu, 10 Oct 1996 07:13:59 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: > > >> Does anyone know how magnetic lensing works, the concentration of a=20 >> magnetic fields using multiple coils ? > One may be able to distort the field with carefully placed bucking fields - I think this is partly how picture geometry adjustment is achieved in monitors and colour tv's. >Concentration of fields is done with cores. Putting cores on either = side >of the high-field region, and making the high-field region a small gap = in >the core material, makes the field strong. Solid iron is bad if you're >pulsing the field, since its conductivity acts as a shield, and the = inside >of the iron never gets any fields in it. =20 Interesting way of putting it. I believe the problem is actually due=20 to the circulating currents induced in the conductive core causing heating of the core and thus wasting a proportion of your input=20 power. These induced currents will also generate their own magnetic field which may buck the main field being generated=20 by the coil but I'm not sure about this point.=20 I don't think it is as much of a problem with pulsed DC as it=20 is with AC but again, I could be wrong. >Magnetic insulators are better, >such as ferrite ceramic, or stacked laminations with insulating paint >between. > >Multiple coils can always be hooked together into one big coil, therefor >you might as well just wind one big coil where you need strong fields. > >Little-known rule: the strength of an electromagnet is proportional to = the >amount of wire, the total mass of wire. This is because the more wire, >the cooler the coil runs, which means you can crank the current up more >without damaging the coil from overheat. ??? As I understand it, the strength is directly proportional to=20 the product of the number of turns in your coil and the current you are passing through it (ampere turns). The mass=20 relationship is secondary and is governed by the total length=20 of wire required to wind those turns and the wire gauge=20 required to pass the current without excessive heating from=20 resistive losses. > >In hindsight this makes sense: big electromagnets are more powerful than >small! Obvious, no? > >The type of wire also makes a difference, but usually no one talks about >it, because copper is nearly the best, and the next better metal, = silver, >is too expensive. Big, silver-wound electromagnets would be best, but = too >silly! Too true. Of course superconductors would be even better but the cost of the cryogenics would get totally ridiculous. When is some bright spark going to develop a room temperature superconductor? > >.....................uuuu / oo \ = uuuu........,............................. >William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 >EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer = http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ >Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Quantum Mechanics: The Dreams that Stuff is made of. - Michael Sinz =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 10 09:45:28 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id JAA10040; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:39:57 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:39:57 -0700 (PDT) From: alansch@zip.com.au (Alan Schneider) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Free Energy - Part 2 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 16:39:28 GMT Message-ID: <325d145c.287062@mail.zip.com.au> References: <3256145E.3E2F@netcomuk.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3256145E.3E2F@netcomuk.co.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99f/32.299 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <"igjuJ2.0.hS2.ORINo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/268 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Sat, 05 Oct 1996, Rob King wrote: >Date: 4th October, 1996 > >Dear All, > >RE: Building The Robert Adams Pulsed Electric Motor/Generator. >(I have decided to nick-name it the FDD1 Motor/Generator (Floppy Disk=20 >Drive One)). > >Firstly, thankyou for the interest paid to the article I post to the = Free=20 >Energy List last night. >Alan, Bert and Mike from the States and Glenville from Aussi. Actually Rob, I'm an aussie, as I mentioned in my earlier reply to your later post . [snip] >Alan, your comments on Bruce Cathie were interesting. I=92ve heard of = his=20 >work in a song =91Lilly was here (space ratllehum)=92 or something like = that,=20 >and I thought it was just a song. Bruce Cathie has a web site - url is http://www.quark.co.nz/ if you=20 want to check it out. [snip] >Project: FFD1 Motor/Generator. > >Attached is a ZIP file containing 2 bitmaps on the project details. thanx > [snip] > A Hall effect switch to determine the=20 >speed and to syncronise the pulses. The PIC will be pre-programmed to=20 >give the optimum pulse duration and cut off time for a given speed of=20 >rotation. Actually, I think you would be better making the pulse duration=20 externally adjustable at first until you can discover what durations=20 are optimum, otherwise you may be doing a lot of reprogramming=20 of that poor CPU. You should have enough spare inputs to scan=20 a few thumbwheels for this. Or you could set up a monostable=20 triggering off the leading edge of the hall effect switch output and=20 set the duration with the timing components. A 555 should work=20 quite admirably for that. Don't forget to make provision for adjusting the position of the hall=20 effect switch so you can easily set up the timing of the motor. Or I guess you could use another mono for this if you wanted to. > >I have spent nearly all day preparing a hardware layout and a circuit=20 >diagram as requested by several people, but I should stress that none of= =20 >the circuit has been built and tested so there may be changes required,=20 >these I will post to the list as and when they occur. I welcome any=20 >comments on improvements that could be made, because I am the first to=20 >admit that my knowledge of electronics is not brilliant. =20 1) The resistors feeding the mosfet gates should not be too large or=20 the fets could be a bit sluggish turning off (time constant between=20 the R and Cgs of the fet). I'd suggest something of the order of 100 ohms rather than 10k. You may need a buffer stage so you can=20 discharge the gate capacitance damned quickly as the faster you=20 can turn the fets off, the higher the back-emf transient should be.=20 2) Watch out that you don't destroy the fets by exceeding their=20 drain-source voltage rating at this point. I don't have any data on the BUZ11 so I don't know what it's rated at. It MAY be better to=20 use horizontal output transistors from a TV. Granted the load will=20 tend to soak up most of the voltage transient and hold it down to=20 a safe value but what happens if the load goes open circuit or=20 gets disconnected? It may be worthwhile putting in a few MOV's=20 or high voltage zeners. BTW, minor quibble but you have Gate and Source mislabelled on the three fets. The bottom-most terminals on the diagram as shown should be labelled S. 3) I notice you have the hall effect device running from the=20 +12v rail. If this is correct, make sure it's output is TTL/CMOS compatible. You may have to do a level translate on it before feeding it into the PIC. [sorry, you mentioned that in part 1 I just noticed, you just didn't mark it on the circuit.] 4) IMHO, you need the schottky diodes not so much for=20 their lower voltage drop as for their extremely rapid switching=20 speed. Because you're dealing with rapid voltage transients you need the recovery diodes to switch quickly. The voltage rating should be ample unless your load is doing bizarre things. Normal power diodes take time to stop conducting when they=20 get reverse biased and they tend, as a result, to halt and=20 catch fire in high speed switching circuits. Then before you=20 know it the smoke escapes and they stop working! > >Construction hints: [big snip] =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Quantum Mechanics: The Dreams that Stuff is made of. - Michael Sinz =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 10 21:07:41 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id VAA11308 for bilb@eskimo.com; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 21:07:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 21:07:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Envelope-From: crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM Thu Oct 10 21:07:22 1996 Received: from claim.goldrush.com (root@goldrush.com [206.171.171.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA11278 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 21:07:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from AC-044.goldrush.com (AC-044.goldrush.com [206.171.171.144]) by claim.goldrush.com (8.7.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA23955 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 21:06:46 -0700 (PDT) Old-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 21:06:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610110406.VAA23955@claim.goldrush.com> X-Sender: crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wesly crosiar Subject: Re: forwarded msg X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list X-Envelope-To: freenrg-l Status: RO X-Status: To all: On the 26th of september my inverter went down, [I am off the grid] in the meantime my server went down so I didn't know I wasn't receiveng email, then when My inverter came back my computer wouldn't work because the server changed two letters on my login. To any one who has sent email to me could you please resend it. crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM THANKS WES WESLEY CROSIAR PO BOX 268 SAN ANDREAS, CA. 95249 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 11 22:58:44 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id WAA27613; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 22:57:16 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 22:57:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 22:56:55 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: D. Davidson exerpt Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"DBQuQ2.0.Kl6.wCpNo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/270 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Here's an exerpt from danart1.asc, keelynet file, from Dan A. Davidson's book "A Breakthrough to New Free Energy Sources." As far as I know, no one has ever tried it. If any subscribers still have sonoluminescence parts laying around, it wouldn't be that hard to do a quick test. With an anonymous source, the whole thing might just be a rumor. But if a particular ultrasound freq affects water, then there might be a more direct way to extract energy than with vortex devices. .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page VERIFICATION OF FREQUENCY TO PRODUCE ETHERIC FORCE FROM WATER ? A recent (1965) possible verification of the frequency Keely used to dissociate water into etheric force was related to me by a scientist when we were discussing certain aspects of free energy. He wishes to remain anonymous for obvious reasons, but his name is on file. I have no other verification of this experiment, however I believe it merits telling. The scientist, I shall call him Dr. X, was doing experiments with ultrasonic sound in a column of water. The object of the experiments was to devise a means of separating various densities of materials by injecting them into a column of water which was subjected to an ultrasonic standing wave vibration. The experimental setup is sketched in Figure 3-3 (for BBS considerations a description follows). A Barium Titanate ultrasonic transducer was fixed to the bottom of a quartz tube which was closed at the bottom and open at the top. Pure water was poured into the tube and the water column was "tuned" so that a standing wave was produced at 40,000 CPS (cycles per second). The transducer was powered by a 700 Watt power amplifier which was driven by an ultrasonic frequency generator. Because of the large amount of power put into the column of water a certain amount of evaporation took place at a constant rate when the transducer was energized. Therefore, to maintain a standing wave in the water column a feedback device caused the frequency to be raised as the water evaporated and the temperature changed. As a test, Dr. X decided to run through the experiment with only water in the tube to insure that a standing wave was maintained as the water evaporated and the frequency rose higher and higher. When the experiment was started everything worked beautifully. Dr. X took periodic readings of his instrumentation and was assured that the standing wave was being maintained. Suddenly, with no warning whatever the water disappeared from the open quartz tube. He looked up thinking to see the water splashed on the ceiling when to his amazement a clean hole went right through the ceiling. The hole was the same size as the inside of the quartz tube. Further investigation showed the hole continued on through the roof also! Dr. X checked his notebook and found the last frequency entry to be 41,300 CPS. It was shortly after this that the water disappeared. Because of the time interval between the last reading and the disappearing water, the frequency sent to the transducer was higher than the last reading and Dr. X said it could well have been very close to 42,800 CPS, the Keely dissociation frequency. (11) This obviously dangerous event caused Dr. X to dismantle the equipment and try some other approach to his problem. This experiment points the way to the use of our modern technology in conjunction with Keely's laws of dissociation to change matter into energy without the use of radioactive materials or extremely expensive atomic accelerators. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 12 07:27:39 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id HAA13809; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 07:23:53 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 07:23:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <325F3F00.43AA@dove.mtx.net.au> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 23:47:28 -0700 From: Glenville Sawyer Organization: Outback Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Swedish Breakthru ?????? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7lHNP.0.eN3.udwNo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/271 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi, I was passing thru the family room earlier today - and I noticed that I still have a family .... Ummmm .. but I Digress - Regularly .. Anyhow - the Satellite T.V was on "BBC-World News" and they mentioned " Coming up .. a new power source to take us to the stars ... " Well as I was on my way to an important meeting that could not be delayed - ( with the on-board effluent system ) !! - I missed the article, my partner said that there had been a new fuel system or propulsion source developed in Sweden .. but did not catch much more of what was said. I will take a look across the channels tonite ( just home from work ) and see if I can find out more .... Meantime -- if any of my fellow list subscribers heard the story go to air - how about telling us all the details ? I wonder if this is the 2% weight reduction - superconductor device - although I hardly think 2% is going to take us to the stars Do You ? Anyway - hear from you soon. -- Best regards, Glenville T. Sawyer email #1: gsawyer@dove.net.au (primary & best address) Amateur Radio operators may try vk5zcf@vk5lz.#adl.#sa.aus.oc (this will NOT work from the Internet)! Pages are at .. http://www.dove.net.au/~gsawyer/welcome.html MID-FM 87.6 +61 85 663600 , Outback Communications +61 85 663236 (Business Hrs phone calls ONLY) Lighting, Audio, Special Effects & Custom Software development (Theater Related - for both DOS & Windows ) Call NOW ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 12 07:56:30 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id HAA17825; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 07:53:47 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 07:53:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <325FB0E3.54D7@cyberportal.net> Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 10:53:23 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: new web address References: <325FB040.7137@cyberportal.net> <325FB089.364B@cyberportal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tnY812.0.MM4.w3xNo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/272 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Angelfire has updated their system My http has changed to: http://www.angelfire.com/nh/nuenergy This is the new T.H. Moray Radiant Energy Site... Please update your links to this site no later than December 1rst, 1996 Thanks, Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 12 15:59:48 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id PAA10458; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 15:58:10 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 15:58:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <32602349.1B17@lakeweb.net> Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 16:01:29 -0700 From: Dan Bloomquist Organization: lakeWeb Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: D. Davidson exerpt References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2Bk5I1.0.DZ2.0A2Oo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/274 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: William Beaty wrote: > > Here's an exerpt from danart1.asc, keelynet file, from Dan A. Davidson's > book "A Breakthrough to New Free Energy Sources." > A Barium Titanate ultrasonic transducer was fixed to the bottom > of a quartz tube which was closed at the bottom and open at the top. > Suddenly, with no warning > whatever the water disappeared from the open quartz tube. He looked > up thinking to see the water splashed on the ceiling when to his > amazement a clean hole went right through the ceiling. The hole was > the same size as the inside of the quartz tube. Further > investigation showed the hole continued on through the roof also! There must be more to this, if it is true. If it were just conversion, that kind of energy release should have blown the bottom of the tube or shattered it. If this is true, there is more to the phenomena than conversion. Some sort of gravatonics??? Best, Dan. I believe anything might be possible. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 12 17:02:10 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id QAA19899; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 16:58:44 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 16:58:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3260A17A.9C0@netcomuk.co.uk> Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 00:59:54 -0700 From: Rob King X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-NC260 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Free Energy Part 4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ip8UM2.0.qs4.p23Oo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/275 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Date: 13th October, 1996 Dear All, PART 4. RE: Building The Robert Adams Pulsed Electric Motor/Generator. (FDD1 Motor/Generator (Floppy Disk Drive One)). I’ve been doing some research into wire and magnetic fields and because the strength of the magnetic field, is proportional to the current in the wire, number of turns and how tightly they are packed, this is expressed by the formula: H=NI/L Where H=field strength in Amps/Meter I=current in amps L=length of wire in meters The flux density is based on field strength and absolute permeability of the core used and is expressed as: B=u0H B=flux density in Teslas u0=absolute permeability of air (4 * PI * 10^-7) H=field strength in Amps/Meter Now for some maths: Based on a single coil (1 out of 6) taken from the floppy drive: number of turns=40 current in coil=0.5 amps average diameter of coil=0.003 meters H=NI/L H=40 * 0.5 / 0.03 H=666 Amp/Meters B=u0H B=4 * 3.142 * 10^-7 * 555 B=0.000697524 Teslas or 0.697524 mT or 6.9 Gauss The earth’s magnetic field is about 0.5 Gauss or 0.05 mT. What we need to do is reduce the resistance of the coil as much as possible to reduce the voltage required to get a reasonable current through it. The coil has a resistance of 1.4 ohms and to achieve a current of 0.5 amps we need to look at the following: V=IR Where V=volts across the coil I=current in the coil R=resistance of the coil measured at 17 C. V=IR V=0.5 * 1.4 V=0.7 volts When I put the same coil in the freezer and put the freezer to max. so dropping the temperature to -25 C the resistance in the coil went down by about 19% to 1.134 ohms. So the required voltage to obtain the same current and hence the same flux density, will also go down by 19%: V=IR V=0.5 * 1.134 V=0.567 volts What I really need is some super conducting wire or at least some very low resistance wire. The more I look at this the more I am convinced it will work because what you are doing is trying to get your working voltage as low as possible. Forget the original circuit diagram, I need to change the supply to the coils to something like 0.7 volts, this in turn will give a power consumption of only 350 milliwatts. If I put the same coil into the fridge and adjust the supply voltage accordingly it will only need 284 milliwatts of power to provide the same torque from the coil. If we use more powerful magnets it produces more torque, if we put ferrite in the cores we change the absolute permeability by a factor of 92. to 9.5 so the flux density goes up by 10 fold. But... if you use ferrite in the cores won’t you cause magnetic drag ? If we arrange it so there is ferrite in the spaces between the cores as well, we may be able to get rid of the cogging effect that is a result of the magnetic drag of the cores. One thing we may not be able to counter which I noticed when spinning the magnetic rotor the other evening is the earth’s own magnetic field acting against the rotor with a force of 0.5 gauss. So does anyone know an Eskimo on the north pole ? He’ll have perhaps -40 centigrade temperatures, virtually no magnetic field to speak of, ideal location I think. We will be using a DC-DC chip to get the required low voltages (7-40v in 1.2-12v out), a LM2575T-ADJ step down regulator, with perhaps a normal diode in series to drop it still further. Did you know that a normal voltage regulator is only about 30 % in some cases. Where a DC-DC circuit is 80-90 % efficient. Please post your own results, how are you coming along with your own projects etc. Speak to you soon, Rob King Email address: ROBK@netcomuk.co.uk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 12 20:10:14 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id UAA04238; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 20:05:23 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 20:05:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 20:03:28 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: jdecker@keelynet.com Subject: Fwd: The old hollow stirring rod trick... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"qCYcc.0.621.on5Oo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/276 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --------------------- Forwarded message: From: soc_truzzi@emuvax.emich.edu (Marcello Truzzi) Reply-to: soc_truzzi@emuvax.emich.edu To: soc_truzzi@emuvax.emich.edu (AAAAA), Oct. 3, 1996 14:08 EDT, from an AP news report: NEW DELHI India - An Indian villager who claimed he could turn water into gasoline is a fraud, scientists have determined. Last month Ramar Pillai demonstrated at a government lab how boiling a mixture of leaves, lemon juice and salt, a few drops of gasoline, and a test tube of undisclosed chemicals could yield fuel. Scientists this week reported a hollow stirrer Pillai used during his demonstration contained fuel which he slipped into the boiling concoction, giving it gasoline-like properties. The stirrer was filled with kerosene or gasoline; its tip was plugged with wax, which when heated inside the boiling water, melted, releasing the fuel into the mixture, V. Ramamurthy, the top scientist in the Department of Science and Technology,said. Analysis showed that the mixture also contained lead and other chemicals that are added to gasoline when it is processed. Pillai, a 34-year-old high school dropout, had said his fuel was herbal and derived from the leaves of a plant he had found 18 years ago near his village of Idayankulam, 1,200 miles south of New Delh. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 13 01:30:36 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id BAA02609; Sun, 13 Oct 1996 01:23:31 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 01:23:31 -0700 (PDT) From: alansch@zip.com.au (Alan Schneider) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Free Energy Part 4 Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 08:23:10 GMT Message-ID: <3262939b.2297473@mail.zip.com.au> References: <3260A17A.9C0@netcomuk.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3260A17A.9C0@netcomuk.co.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99f/32.299 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <"im5R_1.0.ee.0SAOo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/277 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: G'day all! On Sun, 13 Oct 1996, Rob King wrote: [snip] >PART 4. > >RE: Building The Robert Adams Pulsed Electric Motor/Generator. >(FDD1 Motor/Generator (Floppy Disk Drive One)). [snip] >Based on a single coil (1 out of 6) taken from the floppy drive: > >number of turns=3D40 >current in coil=3D0.5 amps >average diameter of coil=3D0.003 meters > > H=3DNI/L > H=3D40 * 0.5 / 0.03 > H=3D666 Amp/Meters Int'rusting result! Could be a *beast* to get going=20 properly unless you've really got it's number! Where do you get the 0.5A from? Is this an average=20 current for the whole drive? If so, some of this will be being used by the drive logic and I suspect the actual=20 coil current will be considerably higher but with a fairly low duty cycle. In the original drive circuit I=20 suspect the coils would be being switched across the 5v rail (I don't think 3.5" sloppy drives use the +12v at all, do they?). > > B=3Du0H > B=3D4 * 3.142 * 10^-7 * 555 > B=3D0.000697524 Teslas or 0.697524 mT or 6.9 Gauss > >The earth=92s magnetic field is about 0.5 Gauss or 0.05 mT. > >What we need to do is reduce the resistance of the coil as much as=20 >possible to reduce the voltage required to get a reasonable current=20 >through it. [voltage calcs snipped] >What I really need is some super conducting wire or at least some very=20 >low resistance wire. Or, as Bill suggested the other day, silver. As the coils are so=20 small, using silver should not be prohibitively expensive. Would somebody *P*U*H*L*E*E*Z*E* develop an inexpensive room temperature superconductor? >The more I look at this the more I am convinced it will work because = what=20 >you are doing is trying to get your working voltage as low as possible. Alternatively, because the relationships are linear, many more turns=20 of finer wire running at a much lower current and proportionally=20 higher voltage will achieve the same effect. Much less of a problem=20 achieving the required power supply voltages efficiently, and much, much easier to reduce resistive losses elsewhere in the circuit=20 (ie the switches). The higher the current you're pushing around, the more voltage drop you'll get across your switching devices, leads etcetera. The only real problem with this approach is the inductance goes up, therefore the rise time of the current will be lower which could (if you go far enough) electrically limit the maximum speed achievable with the motor. On the other hand your back-emf should be greater (isn't it proportional to L? as in L*(di/dt) or something=20 like that? My maths is pretty rusty - nay, corroded just about into non-existence!). > >Forget the original circuit diagram, I need to change the supply to the=20 >coils to something like 0.7 volts, this in turn will give a power=20 >consumption of only 350 milliwatts. Voltage drop across the switching devices will be significant and could finish up being considerably higher than the voltage across the coil itself. This would be a major source of inefficiency! > >If I put the same coil into the fridge and adjust the supply voltage=20 >accordingly it will only need 284 milliwatts of power to provide the = same=20 >torque from the coil. But you'll have to factor in the power usage of the refrigerator in calculating the motor efficiency. In theory, if we achieve over-unity, the coils should cool down of their own accord!(?) > >If we use more powerful magnets it produces more torque, if we put=20 >ferrite in the cores we change the absolute permeability by a factor of=20 >92. to 9.5 so the flux density goes up by 10 fold. >But... if you use ferrite in the cores won=92t you cause magnetic drag ? >If we arrange it so there is ferrite in the spaces between the cores as=20 >well, we may be able to get rid of the cogging effect that is a result = of=20 >the magnetic drag of the cores. As I understand it this is NOT a problem with the Adams motor. You apply power to the coil as the magnet is approaching in order to=20 attract it even faster than the natural attraction between rotor=20 magnet and core. As soon as the rotor magnet hits "top dead centre"=20 you cut off the current through the coil. The magnetic field of the=20 coil reverses and this now repels the rotor magnet, pushing it away=20 from the coil. Get your time constants and field decay rates right=20 and this repulsion will continue until the magnet is being attracted=20 by the next core and there will be no cogging effect at all. As I previously mentioned, I believe Adams originally used soft=20 iron cores from old '3000' type relays. Another approach (which would considerably complicate timing) would be to adopt Wilhelm Muller's idea of an odd number of stator segments and an even number of rotor segments (or was it vice versa - I forget and I don't have the article in front of me - It was in Don Kelly's "Manual of Free Energy Devices and Systems") the system becomes intrinsically unbalanced magnetically and the drag on one pole gets cancelled out by attractions on=20 other poles. But if you did this it would no longer be an Adams=20 motor, it'd be a Muller motor, or an Adams-Muller hybrid. > >One thing we may not be able to counter which I noticed when spinning = the=20 >magnetic rotor the other evening is the earth=92s own magnetic field = acting=20 >against the rotor with a force of 0.5 gauss. Hmmm. Maybe you could encase the whole motor in a=20 mu-metal shield and shunt the terrestrial magnetic field away from the "works". But what effect this would have on the=20 motor itself I dunno. > >So does anyone know an Eskimo on the north pole ? He=92ll have perhaps = -40=20 >centigrade temperatures, virtually no magnetic field to speak of, ideal=20 >location I think. Actually the magnetic field should be higher at the (magnetic) poles. It's just that the lines of force will be tending to the vertical instead of being relatively horizontal. Maybe that's a possible answer. Instead of shielding, just tip the whole contraption up on its side with the shaft pointing north-south. That way the effect of the terrestrial magnetic field should be negligible. Gravity though? That's another matter. I hope your rotor is well balanced. > >We will be using a DC-DC chip to get the required low voltages (7-40v in= =20 >1.2-12v out), a LM2575T-ADJ step down regulator, with perhaps a normal=20 >diode in series to drop it still further. >Did you know that a normal voltage regulator is only about 30 % in some=20 >cases. Yeah! The more voltage you're dropping across 'em and/or the=20 higher the current gets, the worse they get!!! >Where a DC-DC circuit is 80-90 % efficient. Another approach which *MIGHT* be worth looking at is to charge up capacitors to a relatively high voltage and dump them through the coils at the appropriate times. It could be a bit iffy getting time constants etc right but if you could make the system electrically resonant with the motor rotation you might see some interesting results. Also, your original circuit bears a passing resemblance to three switchmode regulators (of the voltage reversing type),=20 using the motor coils as inductors. You could try modifying the circuit to the other standard switchmode regulator configurations (boosting, bucking=20 etc) and see what transpires. This might be a way of=20 further increasing the efficiency of an already quite=20 efficient regulator method, maybe even to o/u levels. > [snip] Catch you later. Alan. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Quantum Mechanics: The Dreams that Stuff is made of. - Michael Sinz =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 13 13:36:36 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id NAA21616; Sun, 13 Oct 1996 13:33:31 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 13:33:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 22:33:08 +0200 Message-Id: <199610132033.WAA09873@bure.abc.se> X-Sender: m10190@mail.abc.se X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Conny.Ohstrom@abc.se (Conny Ohstrom) Subject: HIERONYMOUS Resent-Message-ID: <"ExgSl3.0.XH5.P8LOo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/278 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I have added a paper about Hieronymous invention to my home-pages. A usable electrical and optical device that could be used without any electricity at all! And still work! You can even make a symbolic version and it will work anyway! exit --- Dont steal, the government hates competition! Conny Ohstrom; Vita liljans vag 57, 3tr; S-127 34 SKARHOLMEN; SWEDEN; phone: +46-8-978055; mailto:conny.ohstrom@abc.se http://www.abc.se/~m10190/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 13 18:08:52 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id SAA10306; Sun, 13 Oct 1996 18:06:01 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 18:06:01 -0700 (PDT) From: alansch@zip.com.au (Alan Schneider) To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Addendum to the Adams Motor Manual Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 01:05:42 GMT Message-ID: <326691e4.2406470@mail.zip.com.au> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99f/32.299 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <"SHi4W3.0.xW2.t7POo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/279 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: G'day, all. Just came across the following on page 96 of the latest issue (oct/nov, Vol 3, #6) of Nexus New Times. [start of quote = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D] S T O P P R E S S Dr Robert Adams announces the long-awaited "ADDENDUM TO THE ADAMS MOTOR MANUAL" Robert Adams with his many years of experience and research into=20 the problems of energy production pollution, lays the path for the=20 oncoming to this insidious problem.=20 "Free Clean Energy without Newton's Thermodynamics", and=20 Einstein's Relativity. =46or those of you following the theme of clean free energy, this=20 "Addendum to the Adams Motor Manual" is a must, it is packed=20 with undeniable evidence of the presence of ether and it's=20 awesome powers. 70 pages, A4 size Cost: $30.00 includes postage within Australia Send to: NEXUS Magazine, PO Box 30, Mapleton Qld 4560 Tel: 074 429 280; Fax: 074 429 381 [end of quote = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D] I don't know when Robert Adams got his doctorate - I thought he was an engineer. Maybe it's a misprint.=20 Anyway, digs aside, I've ordered a copy which will hopefully arrive before the week is out. When it arrives I'll post the table of contents and then any excerpts which seem immediately=20 relevant to Rob King's project (may take a while as I will have=20 to hand enter anything I post - no scanning facilities). BTW if any of you guys want to chase up Nexus for yourselves on this you'll have to dial =20 +61 74 429 280 for voice, +61 74 429 381 for fax. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Quantum Mechanics: The Dreams that Stuff is made of. - Michael Sinz =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 14 12:13:21 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id MAA10325; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 12:04:51 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 12:04:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <32592913.602A@utm.edu> Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 11:00:19 -0500 From: Mark Mansfield X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pparri@republic.net CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Disclosure of information Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pTkkh.0.9X2.FxeOo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/280 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Pat, Why not disclose it via the internet which is truly worldwide and allows people unable to come to Texas the liberty of the information? Mark >Subj: Disclosure of information >Date: 96-10-04 15:10:51 EDT >From: pparri@republic.net (Pat Parrinello) > > > Information concerning the propulsion of UFO (Alien Spacecraft) > will be released to the world on October 11, 1996 at > the Civic Center in West Columbia, Texas, at a public > meeting sponsored by the West Columbia Library. > > The method to be revealed points to the conversion > of electromagnetic energy to gravitational inerta. > > Physical demonstration will be given and templates > for construction and duplication of the device will > be available to all interested parties. > > Some questions will be allowed. > > ~Pat~ > >______________________________________________ > >Errol Bruce-Knapp (updates@globalserve.net) >UFO UpDates - Toronto - 416-932-0031 > >An E-Mail Subscription Service for >Serious Students of UFO-Related Phenomena > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 14 16:25:39 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id PAA07941; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 15:50:28 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 15:50:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610142248.PAA07570@mail.eskimo.com> From: "Jim Shaffer, Jr." To: , Cc: Subject: Re: Disclosure of information Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 18:47:00 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-khLZ1.0.yx1.oEiOo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/281 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: How did the press release go? I haven't heard anything about it. -- "listen, there's a hell of a good universe next door; let's go" e.e. cummings "The Libertarian Immortalist ticket -- 'An End To Death And Taxes'" R.A.Wilson My home page: coming soon (I hope). IRC: JustnCase (I'm one of several.) Williamsport Area Computer Club: http://www.sunlink.net/wacc DALnet:#wacc From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 14 16:33:53 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id PAA11018; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 15:58:42 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 15:58:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 00:55:10 +0200 Message-Id: <199610142255.AAA22664@bure.abc.se> X-Sender: m10190@mail.abc.se X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Conny.Ohstrom@abc.se (Conny Ohstrom) Subject: Re: HIERONYMOUS Resent-Message-ID: <"SXTbQ2.0.th2.UMiOo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/282 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >I have added a paper about Hieronymous invention to my home-pages. >A usable electrical and optical device that could be used >without any electricity at all! And still work! You can even make >a symbolic version and it will work anyway! I later realized that this device is no more than a advanced dowsing-rod! Beccause the instrument is the human body! the device is just the _pointer_. But, still, is it interesting. beccauseit shows how to use this new kind of energy for something practical. exit --- Dont steal, the government hates competition! Conny Ohstrom; Vita liljans vag 57, 3tr; S-127 34 SKARHOLMEN; SWEDEN; phone: +46-8-978055; mailto:conny.ohstrom@abc.se http://www.abc.se/~m10190/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 14 16:59:27 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id QAA22906 for bilb@eskimo.com; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 16:58:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 16:58:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Envelope-From: hoven@etek.chalmers.se Mon Oct 14 16:57:53 1996 Received: from chalmers.se (chalmers.se [129.16.1.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA22789 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 16:57:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from quarl0.etek.chalmers.se (quarl0.etek.chalmers.se [129.16.32.20]) by chalmers.se (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA16571 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 01:57:12 +0200 (MET DST) From: Hans-Ove Frimodig Message-Id: <9610142357.AA16269@quarl0.etek.chalmers.se> Received: from kajsa0 by quarl0.etek.chalmers.se (6.14 (VSB)/3.14+gl) id AA16269; Tue, 15 Oct 96 00:57:12 +0100 Received: by kajsa0 (6.14 (VSB)/3.14+gl) id AA09899; Tue, 15 Oct 96 00:57:11 +0100 Subject: Re: Swedish Breakthru ?????? To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Old-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 96 0:57:09 GMT-1:00 In-Reply-To: <325F3F00.43AA@dove.mtx.net.au>; from "Glenville Sawyer" at Oct 11, 96 11:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL8] X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list X-Envelope-To: freenrg-l Status: RO X-Status: > Anyhow - the Satellite T.V was on "BBC-World News" and they mentioned > " Coming up .. a new power source to take us to the stars ... " > > Well as I was on my way to an important meeting that could not be > delayed - ( with the on-board effluent system ) !! - I missed the > article, my partner said that there had been a new fuel system or > propulsion source developed in Sweden .. but did not catch much more > of what was said. This could be the technology I read about in the Swedish technical paper "Ny teknik". They had an article about a Swedish lab developing propulsion by controlled explosions. Unfortunately, I have forgotten all the technical details, but maybe this can trigger the memory of other readers ? /Hans-Ove Frimodig hoven@cd.chalmers.se From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 16 07:16:05 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id KAA07096; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 10:47:17 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 10:47:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <32637CFF.42D@cyberportal.net> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 08:01:03 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Hendershot References: <199610150334.UAA03484@claim.goldrush.com> <326379E8.3280@cyberportal.net> <32637B53.3FCC@cyberportal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"s4u7E3.0.hk1.6uyOo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/284 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hendershot suggestions: 1) Dampen the seperator. 2) It would be interesting to add radioactive material to dry plates. 3) Does anyone know where to buy U3 O8? Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 16 07:24:03 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id HAA03323; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 07:21:19 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 07:21:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610161421.HAA03285@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: 9512675@PoPMail.UL.IE X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com From: 9512675@UL.IE (T. SOLINAC) Subject: Stanley Meyer Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 14:21:40 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: <"uuPoD.0.np.TzEPo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/287 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hello everyone, em...is there anything happening on the Stanley Meyer water fracturing front does anyone know? Are there any devotees out there with ideas suggestions and things they have tried, with respect to getting the thing working, especially the disign of pulse circuit used? Bart From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 16 07:50:41 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id HAA09280; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 07:48:38 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 07:48:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 07:49:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610161449.HAA09525@claim.goldrush.com> X-Sender: crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wesly crosiar Subject: hendershot coil Resent-Message-ID: <"p0KeV1.0.qG2.5NFPo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/288 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 18:01:10 >To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >From: wesly crosiar >Subject: hendershot coil > > TO ALL: > I rewound the hendershot cell, wetting the seperator with electrolytic solution left over from the microwave capacitor. I then peeled back the layer of plastic on the capacitor, so the aluminum would make direct contact with the now wet seperator. I then rewound the cell. After completing the cell I then proceded to test the cell, The reading I got was as high as 30 millivolts after letting the capacitor charge up, when I took the reading from the two ends of the exposed capacitor, the voltage dropped from 30 to 40 millivolts to one tenth of a millivolt steady. I then measured the voltage between the can and the capacitor and got a reading of eight tenths of a millivolt stedy. To those of you who get higher readings without your meter hooked to anything, keep in mind that I don't live near any power that can affect my readings. I'm sure that I must be doing something wrong. Maybe the capacitor acts as a 60 cycle resonant antenna, which would mean that the length and width of the capacitor is very important. > HOW IS THAT ADAMS MOTOR PROGRESSING? > > I also completed the don smith device, the feedback system works,kinduv. after starting it up with a battery that read 12.6 volts, we then ran it for thirty to fourty minutes. The battery charged consistently at over thirteen volts, with the highest reading about 13.78, after we finished the voltage read 12.56 and slowly climbed to 12.74. That finished the testing for that day. A couple of weeks later I set it up again, this time using a three amphour, 12 volt lead acid gel cell. We started with a fully charged battery which read 12.9. When we turned it on and adjusted the sparkgap. The feedback went up to thirty to fourty volts. We then adjusted the sparkgap so the charging rate was 13.8 or so after running for ten minutes or so we shut off and measured the stand voltage, which now had dropped to 12.8. We then set the feedback for maximum and let it charge at 40 to 50 volts. I'm not sure exactly, I was afraid to get that close to the battery. After another five minutes or so we shut it off and tested it again, the voltage had dropped another tenth. We kept repeating and the voltage kept dropping, even though the feedback showed it was charging. I have not tested the output yet, because we are so far out of resonance. In a week or so when I finish some other things, We will tune it for resonance, which requires an oscilliscope which is tied up testing another project of mine. > Does anybody know where I can get enough radium to coat both sides of a business card. I don't need very much? > crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM THANKS WES WESLEY CROSIAR PO BOX 268 SAN ANDREAS, CA. 95249 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 16 08:52:01 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id IAA22490; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 08:47:17 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 08:47:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610161547.LAA002.16@cougar.ssi.stratus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 96 11:45:20 -0400 From: "Charlie Hodgson" To: pparri@republic.net, freenrg-l@eskimo.com, updates@globalserve.net, ebknapp@yesic.com Subject: So, what's up?? (was UFO UpDate: Disclosure of information ) X-Mailer: Ultimedia Mail/2 Lite, IBM T. J. Watson Research Center Content-ID: <174_82_4_845480720> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"x30022.0.IV5.3EGPo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/289 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: So, it's 5 days since the 'disclosure'. Please fill us in. Charlie > > >X-Sender: updates@globalserve.net > >Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 01:34:25 -0400 > >To: updates@globalserve.net > >From: UFO UpDates - Toronto > >Subject: UFO UpDate: Disclosure of information > > > >Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 20:53:19 -0400 > >From: RSchatte@aol.com > >To: ebknapp@yesic.com (ufoupdates-toronto) > >Subject: Disclosure of information > > > >Forwarded Message: > >Subj: Disclosure of information > >Date: 96-10-04 15:10:51 EDT > >From: pparri@republic.net (Pat Parrinello) > > > > > > Information concerning the propulsion of UFO (Alien Spacecraft) > > will be released to the world on October 11, 1996 at > > the Civic Center in West Columbia, Texas, at a public > > meeting sponsored by the West Columbia Library. > > > > The method to be revealed points to the conversion > > of electromagnetic energy to gravitational inerta. > > > > Physical demonstration will be given and templates > > for construction and duplication of the device will > > be available to all interested parties. > > > > Some questions will be allowed. > > > > ~Pat~ > > > >______________________________________________ > > > >Errol Bruce-Knapp (updates@globalserve.net) > >UFO UpDates - Toronto - 416-932-0031 > > > >An E-Mail Subscription Service for > >Serious Students of UFO-Related Phenomena > > > > > > -- Who is don alphonso and whats all this about tweezers From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 16 08:58:18 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id IAA25347 for bilb@eskimo.com; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 08:57:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 08:57:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Envelope-From: pparri@republic.net Wed Oct 16 08:57:44 1996 Received: from karen.republic.net (root@[208.129.178.10]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA25292 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 08:57:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [208.129.178.107] (rn107.republic.net [208.129.178.107]) by karen.republic.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA29519; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 10:54:58 -0500 Message-Id: <199610161554.KAA29519@karen.republic.net> Subject: Re: So, what's up?? (was UFO UpDate: Disclosure of information Old-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 96 11:02:48 -0000 From: Pat Parrinello To: "Charlie Hodgson" , , , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list X-Envelope-To: freenrg-l Status: RO X-Status: >it's 5 days since the 'disclosure'. >Please fill us in. Easy to do. The site will improve as I get time to work with it. http://www.republic.net/~pparri/phase3.html ~Pat~ Homepage: http://www.republic.net/~pparri Please do visit my commercial sites... http://www.texwarehouse.com http://www.americanemuoil.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 16 11:48:35 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id LAA02295; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 11:28:22 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 11:28:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 20:26:49 +0200 Message-Id: <199610161826.UAA11353@atom.bbtt.com> X-Sender: harti@bbtt.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@bbtt.de (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: Stanley Meyer Resent-Message-ID: <"QFq411.0.lZ.3bIPo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/290 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Hello everyone, > em...is there anything happening on the Stanley Meyer water fracturing >front does anyone know? >Are there any devotees out there with ideas suggestions and things they have >tried, with respect to getting the thing working, especially the disign of >pulse circuit used? > > >Bart > > Have a look at my MPEG movies under: http://www.overunity.de/movies/ Be sure to include the slash at the end ! There are also 2 MPEG movies of Meyers inventions ! Regards, Stefan. > -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany NEUE Nummern : Tel: ++ 4930-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 4930-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.de harti@bbtt.de Web site: http://www.harti.de Webmaster of: http://www.detours.de Have a look at the future: http://www.overunity.de My favourite ladies on the WEB: http://www.nylon-fetish.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 16 14:59:46 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id OAA13436; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 14:39:46 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 14:39:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Guy Ricci Message-Id: <199610162137.RAA272352@seminole.gate.net> Subject: Re: Antigrav for Real? To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 17:37:41 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <199610050353.UAA14481@seanet.com> from "alexs@seanet.com" at Oct 4, 96 08:53:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"02W3e1.0.qH3.QOLPo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/291 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > > Read in recent New Scientist magazine (21 Sept 1996, p.7) that > one Russian scientist, Eugene Podletnikov, just withdrew > a paper to have been published in J. of Appl Phys D > describing a bona-fide antigravity/gravity shielding device > using a high-temperature superconductor (HTS). > > Anyway, the gizmo is a cylindrical device that measures > 275 mm diameter and contains a rotating ring of HTS ceramic > in a bath of liquid N2. Apparently a troika of solenoids > under the ring sets up a suspension/rotation magnetic field > to spin it up to 5000rpm. It is said to reduce the weight of > objects postitioned over the ring by 2 per cent. Is this a bona fide report or some 'urban legend'? At any rate, this sounds an awful lot like the report several years ago of Japanese scientists detecting minute changes in the weight of spinning tops. I don't recall the disposition of that one. Also, Bruce DiPalma, of N-machine fame, supposedly did experiments years ago with grass growing over a spinning turntable. The lighting was uniform so as not to give the plants any growth cues. Apparently, grass over the spinning disks grew in a cone shape pointing toward the axis of rotation. He also compared the falling acceleration of rotating projectiles vs. non-rotating ones in a vacuum and noted a difference. I don't recall the results-- I think the rotating ones fell at less than the supposedly constant 32 ft/sec/sec. Sorry, Galileo. Kinda makes ya wonder, doesn't it? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 16 19:56:17 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id TAA26209; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 19:22:31 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 19:22:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: 16 Oct 96 21:30:46 EDT From: Rick Monteverde <76216.2421@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Re: Antigrav for Real? Message-ID: <961017013046_76216.2421_HHB42-2@CompuServe.COM> Resent-Message-ID: <"87Igj3.0.NP6.YXPPo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/292 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Guy Ricci wrote: > Is this a bona fide report or some 'urban legend'? > > At any rate, this sounds an awful lot like the report several > years ago of Japanese scientists detecting minute changes in > the weight of spinning tops. I don't recall the disposition of > that one. Semi bona fide at this point, and not definitely duplicated yet. There has been a maybe-duplication reported, and there are lots of people out there spinning superconductors or preparing to now. We'll have to wait and see a bit on that. As to the Japanese experiment, a mechanical linkage to the measuring device was ultimately blamed for the apparent weight loss on the gyros. This report is no longer credible in the scientific community, from what I've read and heard. > Apparently, grass over the spinning disks grew in a cone > shape pointing toward the axis of rotation. That would be interesting if air currents were eliminated, as the grass might seek the calmer center of the vortex flow of air. Do you know if that was accounted for in the experiment? - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 16 22:54:38 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id WAA08072; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 22:39:54 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 22:39:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610170538.PAA05289@tornado.netspace.net.au> To: "Bruce A. Perreault" , "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" Subject: Radio Active Material Date: Thu, 17 Oct 96 16:01:50 -0500 From: Ossie Callanan X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03 Resent-Message-ID: <"VBKEO2.0.0-1.dQSPo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/293 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: -- [ From: Ossie Callanan * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- Bruce A. Perreault, You Wrote: " The original prototype produced 200 watts for about seven months. The tube used radium chloride that was scraped from old clock dials. Anyone who has called me knows this, including Mr. Humphrey. The chemical tube in the manual is shown as proof of principle. As many of you know the real McCoy requires radio material. I have never intentionally concealed this fact. However, until now I have been extremely careful of how I have presented this fact. " The detector in smoke alarms uses a radio-active substance. I am not sure what it is but if anyone knows please respond. I was wondering if this may be suitable for a radiant energy tube. It would certainly be available to everyone(salvaged from old smoke alarms) depending on the amount required. Does anyone else know of radio-active materials that may be salvaged from everyday devices/appliances that may be suitable for these tubes. If Bruce was able to scrape some from old clock faces and make a working tube, surely this(Free Energy) is within all our reach... Regards, Ossie Callanan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 16 23:40:36 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id XAA20152; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 23:39:21 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 23:39:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 23:39:10 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" Subject: Re: Radio Active Material In-Reply-To: <199610170538.PAA05289@tornado.netspace.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"FEnwk.0.hw4.NITPo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/294 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Thu, 17 Oct 1996, Ossie Callanan wrote: > Does anyone else know of radio-active materials that may be salvaged from > everyday devices/appliances that may be suitable for these tubes. If Bruce > was able to scrape some from old clock faces and make a working tube, surely > this(Free Energy) is within all our reach... >From my examination of various smoke alarms, I'd say that the radioactive material is VERY tiny. Some detectors state "Americium", others say "Californium" as the active material. Anti-static dust brushes purchased from photographic suppliers have a swatch of Polonium across the chamber in front. Are these still sold? I haven't looked for one in years. I think this is an alpha emitter. And there's always Thorium in lantern mantels. Burn the mantels (outside) and use the ash as a more concentrated source. Don't mess with this at all if you don't know safety precautions! Lately I notice that non-radioactive mantels are replacing the Thorium ones, and imported mantels are the only active sources left in stores. .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 17 00:31:16 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id AAA29275 for bilb@eskimo.com; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 00:31:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 00:31:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Envelope-From: ROB.KING@INFOSYS.gecalsthom.sprint.com Thu Oct 17 00:31:07 1996 Received: from reston-mx1.telemail.net (reston-mx1.telemail.net [206.229.206.20]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA29241 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 00:31:06 -0700 (PDT) From: ROB.KING@INFOSYS.gecalsthom.sprint.com X400-Received: by /PRMD=GECALSTHOM/ADMD=TELEMAIL/C=GB/; Relayed; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 03:26:00 -0400 X400-Received: by /PRMD=GECALSTHOM/ADMD=TELEMAIL/C=GB/; Relayed; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 03:26:00 -0400 X400-Received: by /PRMD=GECALSTHOM/ADMD=TELEMAIL/C=GB/; Relayed; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 03:26:00 -0400 X400-Received: by /PRMD=GECALSTHOM/ADMD=TELEMAIL/C=GB/; Relayed; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 03:26:00 -0400 Old-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 03:26:00 -0400 X400-Originator: ROB.KING@INFOSYS.gecalsthom.sprint.com X400-MTS-Identifier: [/PRMD=GECALSTHOM/ADMD=TELEMAIL/C=GB/;Thu Oct 17 03:26:29 199601] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Free Energy Part Message-ID: <"Thu Oct 17 03:26:29 199601*/G=ROB/S=KING/OU=INFOSYS/O=WWGEC/PRMD=GECALSTHOM/ADMD=TELEMAIL/C=GB/"@MHS> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Free Energy Part 5 X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list X-Envelope-To: freenrg-l Status: RO X-Status: freenrg-l@eskimo.com ---------- From: King, Rob Date: 17 October 1996 08:10 Hi Bruce, Alan and everyone else following this project >I usually reply to your mail at 2am. 2 am or 2pm? (2 am is a bit late at night for most people). I write programs for PC's and in my spare time I build/fix PC's for other people. I hope you do carry on with your motor, it's better to have two people working on similar thing, because each one will try a different approach. Also, you can compare ideas, pool your findings and you end up with 2+2=5.(hopefully). I might skip on the torque meter, its too expensive. The best way will be to just generate some power from the coils but with poor efficiency. My next step at the moment is to place an order for the FETS, more copper wire, some optos, flip-flops and a DC-DC converter. Then smash up the ferrite into small pieces and mix this with resin and pour this onto the upside down set of coils. I will be using two coils stacked one on top of the other giving a resistance of 2.8 ohms. Three sets of two will be used to drive the rotor/collect back EMF and the other three sets will be for power generation only. The ferrite glue will need drilled in places to reduce any magnetic imbalance causing the cogging effect when no power is applied. Although this may be very difficult to determine where to drill. When I have got it all running and found that it all seems to be working but not at overunity then I can drop the temperature of the coils. Then add another magnetic rotor on the other sides of the coils. Adding another magnetic disc will hopefully double the torque produced. I need to do another circuit diagram for the new DC-DC regulator and change to the pulse circuit, plus the new layout of the parts for the coils. Please post you own findings to this list, I'm dying to know how you are all getting on with this, and sorry for the constant change of direction on this project. Speak to you soon Rob King From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 17 02:42:31 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id KAA07120; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 10:47:53 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 10:47:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <326379E8.3280@cyberportal.net> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 07:47:52 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Life and Death References: <199610150334.UAA03484@claim.goldrush.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HcTBi3.0.4l1.CuyOo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/285 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I got a phone call last night from the daughter of the person who machines some of my prototype energy tubes. She informs me that he has passed away. His name was Bob Webber. Bob, John Moreland and I were going to sign corporation forms within a month or so to develop the radiant energy generator. His passing will be a great loss to us all. So if I seem unresponsive you now know the reason. My wife's father also had a massive stroke yesterday morning. Please try to remember why we are all here. Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 17 04:38:36 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id EAA03506; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 04:37:25 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 04:37:25 -0700 (PDT) From: alansch@zip.com.au (Alan Schneider) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Addendum to the Adams Motor Manual Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 11:37:06 GMT Message-ID: <32691a5f.3021985@mail.zip.com.au> References: <326691e4.2406470@mail.zip.com.au> In-Reply-To: <326691e4.2406470@mail.zip.com.au> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99f/32.299 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <"bFyWN3.0.hs.qfXPo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/295 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Mon, 14 Oct 1996, I wrote: >G'day, all. >Just came across the following on page 96 of the latest >issue (oct/nov, Vol 3, #6) of Nexus New Times. > >[start of quote = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D] > S T O P P R E S S > Dr Robert Adams > announces the long-awaited > "ADDENDUM TO THE ADAMS MOTOR MANUAL" [snip] >[end of quote = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D] > >I don't know when Robert Adams got his doctorate - I thought >he was an engineer. Maybe it's a misprint.=20 > >Anyway, digs aside, I've ordered a copy which will hopefully >arrive before the week is out. When it arrives I'll post the table >of contents and then any excerpts which seem immediately=20 >relevant to Rob King's project (may take a while as I will have=20 >to hand enter anything I post - no scanning facilities). > > The "Doctor" Robert Adams *IS* correct. He has been awarded an honorary doctorate of science by the Open International University in Colombo, Sri Lanka. Anyway, as promised, the Table of Contents... 1. Introduction and addendum to the "Adams Motor Manual" 2. Adams Super Magnets 3. Permanent magnets and efficiency 4. Establishment methods of testing electric motors and power transformers. 5. Electric motor temperature versus efficiency 6. Lucas recommended test procedure, D.M. Brooks, U.K. 7. Valuable hints on replication of original Adams motor generator 8. PhD Scientist independant analysis report, L. Low, USA. 9. "Adams Thermo Electric motor" special report. 10. "Thermodynamics and free energy", Peter Lindemann, USA. 11. "Modern Aether Science", Dr. Harold Aspden, U.K. 12. "Over Unity reluctance motor experiment", Dr. Harold Aspden, UK 13. "Power from Room Heat", Dr. Harold Aspden, UK 14. "Switched Reluctance Motor", Dr. Harold Aspden, UK 15. "Impending Energy Crisis", Dr. Harold Aspden, UK 16. "On the nature of electrical induction", Prof. Bruce DePalma, NZ 17. Peter Lindemann - Correspondence 18. "Magnetic Battery", Bert Werjefelt, USA. and "Valuable Hints on Replication" 1) Use only pure iron for statur/drive windings, not laminated steel core. 2) Wind stators with a resistance in the range of ten to twenty ohms each for a small model. 3) For 2) above, use voltage/s of between 12 and 36. 4) For small machine make contactor star disk one inch=20 maximum diameter. 5) Keep wiring short and of low resistance. 6) For small machine install fuse/holder 500ma to 1 amp. 7) Install switch for convenience and safety. 8) Use small bearings. Do not use sealed bearings as these=20 are pre-packed with a dense grease which causes severe drag. 9) Use only silver contacts for pulse switch. 10) If using high-energy-product magnets, vibration becomes a serious problem if constructional materials and design are faulty. 11) Air gap is not critical; however reduction will increase torque and also increase input power in proportion. 12) For higher speed, lower current, series-connected stators recommended. 13) a) If machine stator windings are of low resistance and=20 drawing high current at higher input voltage it is advisable to install a switching transistor which will completely eliminate sparking at points. b) On calculating input power, however, the transistor switch burden must be subtracted from total input. 14) a) Points tuning and pressure are vitally important; experiment will indicate optimum settings. b) If, however, all electronic switching process is=20 preferred, i.e., using photo, magnetic, hall effect,=20 etc., then the above in a) is completely eliminated. 15) If constructing a large model involving large super- power magnets, note the following:- The greater the magnetic energy product, the greater the power required to drive the machine, the greater the torque, the greater the vibration problem, greater copper content, greater cost etc. Read section on "Permanent Magnets and Efficiency" by Dr. Robert Adams 1996 (Also published in NEXUS April/May 1996 issue). =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Quantum Mechanics: The Dreams that Stuff is made of. - Michael Sinz =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 17 07:02:00 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id HAA04443 for bilb@eskimo.com; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 07:01:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 07:01:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Envelope-From: vrlance@downtown.inu.net Thu Oct 17 07:01:56 1996 Received: from downtown.inu.net (downtown.inu.net [208.129.164.6]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA04403 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 07:01:51 -0700 (PDT) Old-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 07:01:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610171401.HAA04403@mail.eskimo.com> Received: from [208.129.164.41] by downtown.inu.net (SMTPD32-3.02) id ACFD350198; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 09:04:45 -0500 X-Sender: vrlance@mail.inu.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: vrlance@downtown.inu.net (Bob Rutherford) Subject: Re: Radio Active Material X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list X-Envelope-To: freenrg-l Status: RO X-Status: >Does anyone else know of radio-active materials that may be salvaged from >everyday devices/appliances that may be suitable for these tubes. If Bruce >was able to scrape some from old clock faces and make a working tube, surely >this(Free Energy) is within all our reach... > >Regards, > > Ossie Callanan Although I haven't the time or funds to do so, there should be someone out there who could build a linear particle accelerator that could be used to create some light element isotopes. With the information available on tesla coils, a 1MEV power source would not be beyond reach. The information on how to build particle accelerators is available from most public, college or university libraries. By careful design of the emitter, it could source protons instead of electrons. You would be suprised to find how simple such devices are. Another option would be to construct a cyclotron. These are not complicated either, although they more expensive to build because of the magnets. The availability of cheap magnetrons and strong permanent magnets makes a 5Mev or 10Mev cyclotron possible to the advanced hobbyist. A few words of caution, don't let your neighbors know you have it, always point the output towards the ground or build it in your basement if you have one, don't try to mess with creating heavier isotopes they are far to dangerous. Another particle source is the plasma focus device. It produces pulses of high energy paricles, does not require a vacume, and with proper research might even be a viable over-unity device itself because the heart of the device is a compact plasma vortex. I will try to locate the book on this device and post it if anyone is interested. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 17 07:38:47 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id HAA10963; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 07:34:39 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 07:34:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 10:33:27 -0400 (EDT) From: John Alexander Lotoski To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Antigrav for Real? In-Reply-To: <199610162137.RAA272352@seminole.gate.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"lAx9L.0.Ch2.yFaPo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/296 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > Also, Bruce DiPalma, of N-machine fame, supposedly did experiments years > ago with grass growing over a spinning turntable. The lighting was > uniform so as not to give the plants any growth cues. Apparently, grass > over the spinning disks grew in a cone shape pointing toward the axis of > rotation. My guess is that the blades of grass grow in that way so that the the overall torque produced at the root (assuming the blade of grass is relativly even with an even density distrobution) provides the needed force of centrepetal acceleration to keep the blade oriented in the circular path. This way no overall torque is produced at the root of the grass in the plane of the turntable and the grass will not consequently fall "outward". Ie: tau = Ialpha (tau=torque,I=moment of interia,alpha=angular acceleration). Therefore, tau = 0. If this is the case, which i believe it is (can anyone see anything wrong with this line of reasoning?), nothing 'special' is happening. It just shows that plants have a sense of stability, in the same way that a plant growing on a slope will grow straight up (where forces balance--ie: Fn-mg=0 (Fn=normal force)) intead of perpendicular to the slope. Any thoughts? I can post a more technical derivation is anyone wants. John From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 17 09:37:13 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id JAA05229; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 09:24:41 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 09:24:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: From: Monty VanderBilt To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: Antigrav for Real? Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 09:11:57 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 Encoding: 39 TEXT Resent-Message-ID: <"Ljm3A2.0.ZH1.6tbPo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/297 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: As I have heard the experiment described, the grass itself was stationary, not spinning. There was a spinning turntable underneath a platform on which the grass was growing. >---------- >From: John Alexander Lotoski[SMTP:jalotosk@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca] >Sent: Thursday, October 17, 1996 7:33 AM >To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >Subject: Re: Antigrav for Real? > > >> Also, Bruce DiPalma, of N-machine fame, supposedly did experiments years >> ago with grass growing over a spinning turntable. The lighting was >> uniform so as not to give the plants any growth cues. Apparently, grass >> over the spinning disks grew in a cone shape pointing toward the axis of >> rotation. > > My guess is that the blades of grass grow in that way so that the >the overall torque produced at the root (assuming the blade of grass is >relativly even with an even density distrobution) provides the needed >force of centrepetal acceleration to keep the blade oriented in the >circular path. This way no overall torque is produced at the root of the >grass in the plane of the turntable and the grass will not consequently >fall "outward". Ie: tau = Ialpha (tau=torque,I=moment of >interia,alpha=angular acceleration). Therefore, tau = 0. > > If this is the case, which i believe it is (can anyone see >anything wrong with this line of reasoning?), nothing 'special' is >happening. It just shows that plants have a sense of stability, in the >same way that a plant growing on a slope will grow straight up (where forces >balance--ie: Fn-mg=0 (Fn=normal force)) intead of perpendicular to the >slope. > > Any thoughts? I can post a more technical derivation is anyone wants. > > John > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 17 11:11:57 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id KAA22077; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 10:40:53 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 10:40:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 13:18:09 -0400 (EDT) From: John Alexander Lotoski To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: Antigrav for Real? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"PGq_X1.0.pO5.Z-cPo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/298 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Thu, 17 Oct 1996, Monty VanderBilt wrote: > As I have heard the experiment described, the grass itself was > stationary, not spinning. There was a spinning turntable underneath a > platform on which the grass was growing. Ah. In that case, dis-regard my whole last post. thanx John From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 17 21:14:06 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id PAA29821; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 15:59:58 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 15:59:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <32672B27.61FE@netcomuk.co.uk> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 00:00:55 -0700 From: Rob King X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-NC260 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: So, what's up?? (was UFO UpDate: Disclosure of information ) References: <199610161547.LAA002.16@cougar.ssi.stratus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"PUjaZ2.0.mH7.hfhPo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/300 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Charlie Hodgson wrote: > > So, > > it's 5 days since the 'disclosure'. > Please fill us in. > > Charlie > Yes, where the hell is it! I want to know too, Cheers Rob King From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 17 22:05:57 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id WAA08382 for bilb@eskimo.com; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 22:05:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 22:05:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Envelope-From: mathew3@netspace.net.au Thu Oct 17 22:05:49 1996 Received: from tornado.netspace.net.au (root@netspace.net.au [203.10.110.110]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA08249 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 22:05:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [203.17.100.88] (dialup-m4-88.Melbourne.netspace.net.au [203.17.100.88]) by tornado.netspace.net.au (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA21752 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 15:04:27 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199610180504.PAA21752@tornado.netspace.net.au> To: "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" Subject: Information on Perreault Devices Old-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 96 15:27:14 -0500 From: Ossie Callanan X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="u3gof," X-Diagnostic: Submission size exceeds 40000 bytes X-Envelope-To: freenrg-l Status: RO X-Status: --u3gof, Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -- [ From: Ossie Callanan * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --=0D=0A Attachment: perrea= u6.txt Code: 00DTMFV \ Created: 10-17-96, 03:36 PM [25 Kb]=0D=0A Attachme= nt: perreau7.txt Code: 00DTMFV \ Created: 10-17-96, 03:37 PM [5 Kb]=0D=0A= Attachment: coldfiss.txt Code: 00DTMFV \ Created: 12-15-95, 08:17 PM [40= Kb]=0D=0A=0D=0AFrom freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Sep 25 18:35:41 19= 96=0D=0AReceived: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6= .12) id=0D=0ASAA19557; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 18:31:14 -0700 (PDT)=0D=0AResent-= Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 18:31:14 -0700 (PDT)=0D=0ADate: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 1= 8:30:47 -0700 (PDT)=0D=0AFrom: William Beaty =3Cbillb@eskimo.com=3E=0D=0A= To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com=0D=0ASubject: Perreault device=0D=0AIn-Reply-To:= =3C324961CA.48B@cyberportal.net=3E=0D=0AMessage-ID: =3CPine.SUN.3.95.960= 925182802.23623E-100000@eskimo.com=3E=0D=0AMIME-Version: 1.0=0D=0AContent= -Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=3DUS-ASCII=0D=0AResent-Message-ID: =3C"_P7Cf3.= 0.Sn4.WpTIo"@mail=3E=0D=0AResent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com=0D=0AReply-To= : freenrg-l@eskimo.com=0D=0AX-Mailing-List: =3Cfreenrg-l@eskimo.com=3E ar= chive/latest/201=0D=0AX-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com=0D=0APrecedence: list=0D= =0AResent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com=0D=0AStatus: RO=0D=0AX-Sta= tus: =0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0AMessage I received...=0D=0A=0D=0A.................= ....uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,.............................=0D=0AWilliam B= eaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623=0D=0AEE/P= rogrammer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/=7Ebillb/= =0D=0ASeattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web = page=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0AOn Wed, 25 Sep 1996, "Bruce A. Perreault" =3Cnuener= gy@cyberportal.net=3E wrote:=0D=0A=0D=0A=3E Please post this rebutal to y= our site...=0D=0A=3E =0D=0A=0D=0AFrom: nuenergy=0D=0AFull-Name: Bruce A. = Perreault=0D=0ATo: next-gen@ix.netcom.com=0D=0ASubject: Internet response= =0D=0AX-Status: New=0D=0AX-Mailer: Juno 1.00=0D=0A=0D=0A Mr. Humphrey= attitude is a prime example of a person for whatever=0D=0Areason has fai= led to reproduce the Moray device. It is unfortunate that he=0D=0Atakes t= he attitude=0D=0A=0D=0A"if I can not do it, then I will make sure that no= one else does." You=0D=0Ahave to feel sorry for these types of people fo= r about 20 nanoseconds.=0D=0AThroughout history these people have always = existed and now is no=0D=0Adifferent. History has shown that the more via= b le an invention or idea,=0D=0Athe more the detractors craw out of the p= rimordial oz that they craw back=0D=0Ainto after they have been proven wr= ong. I am now here on the net to prove=0D=0Awrong those who are the real = disseminator's of "disinformation." =0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A Yes, I d= id sign an agreement with Reed Huish, but it was for an=0D=0Aatomic batte= ry, not the Moray device. I have filled my end of my agreement=0D=0Awith = Reed. However, Reed at this point in time has not supplied the=0D=0Arequi= red radioactive material, but I know h e will pull through in time. =0D=0A= Can any of you go to the local drug store to purchase radioactive=0D=0Ama= terials? What is wrong with signing an agree with Mr. Huish anyway? I=0D=0A= find him to be a decent and honest human being. I have not "sold-out"and=0D= =0Anever will. P eople require contracts to keep honest men honest.=0D=0A= =0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A What are the required "technical" materials to reb= uild the Moray=0D=0Adevice? The $39 3/4" booklet contained "mountains" of= technical=0D=0Ainformation. I got numerous of complaints about the amoun= t of this=0D=0Ainformation. Most people could not consume this much info.= Most people are=0D=0Anot brain surgeons. The mountains of data did not s= erve to make things=0D=0Aclear. The data confused people even further so = I had to omit the=0D=0Amaterial. =0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A The origina= l prototype produced 200 watts for about seven months. The=0D=0Atube used= radium chloride that was scraped from old clock dials. Anyone=0D=0Awho h= as called me knows this, including Mr. Humphrey. The chemical tube in=0D=0A= the manual is shown as proof of principle. As many of you know the real=0D= =0AMcCoy requires radio material. I have never intentionally concealed th= is=0D=0Afact. However, until now I have been extremely careful of how I h= ave=0D=0Apresented this fact. =0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A Future letters= to this site will focus on the actual workings of the=0D=0AMoray device.= I am making it clear today that I am still in the research=0D=0Astage, t= he prototypes are not perfected. I offer research guides to people=0D=0Aw= ho want to contribute to the dev elopment of a marketable Moray=0D=0Agene= rator. I do not have a product for sale. In fact, I have taken money=0D=0A= out of my own pocket to make available information. Getting back to peopl= e=0D=0Aon the phone costs me small fortunes. The price of updated informa= tion=0D=0Athat I offer I believe to be fair. I do not add fluff to my boo= klets. If=0D=0Ayou want fluff then you can go get a book from Barnes and = Nobel. I keep a=0D=0Amailing list of all who have received information fr= om me. When a product=0D=0Ais available these people will get the best de= als. Many of these people=0D=0Awill receive first dibs on dealerships.=0D= =0A=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A To get free updates on the Moray device go to; =0D= =0A=0D=0A http://www.angelfire.com/pages0/nuenerg= y/=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A You can send e-mail to; nu= energy@juno.com=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A A copy of this response is be= ing sent to Mr. Humphrey...=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0AFrom freenrg-l-request@eskim= o.com Tue Oct 8 10:13:23 1996=0D=0AReceived: (from smartlst@localhost) = by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id=0D=0AJAA20369; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 09:56= :23 -0700 (PDT)=0D=0AResent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 09:56:23 -0700 (PDT)=0D= =0AMessage-ID: =3C3259D316.657D@cyberportal.net=3E=0D=0ADate: Tue, 08 Oct= 1996 00:05:42 -0400=0D=0AFrom: "Bruce A. Perreault" =3Cnuenergy@cyberpor= tal.net=3E=0D=0AReply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net=0D=0AOrganization: Nu = Energy Horizons=0D=0AX-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I)=0D=0AMIME-Versi= on: 1.0=0D=0ATo: freenrg-L@eskimo.com=0D=0ASubject: (no subject)=0D=0ARef= erences: =3C199610081614.MAA14772@cyberport.cyberportal.net=3E =3C3259CD2= 4.=0D=0A374E@cyberportal.net=3E=0D=0AContent-Type: text/plain; charset=3D= us-ascii=0D=0AContent-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit=0D=0AResent-Message-ID: =3C= "aYJRh3.0.8-4.8UeMo"@mail=3E=0D=0AResent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com=0D=0A= X-Mailing-List: =3Cfreenrg-l@eskimo.com=3E archive/latest/251=0D=0AX-Loop= : freenrg-l@eskimo.com=0D=0APrecedence: list=0D=0AResent-Sender: freenrg-= l-request@eskimo.com=0D=0A=0D=0ATo: Radiant Energy Device Experimenters=0D= =0A =0D=0AI originally directed people to use chlorine gas in my radiant = energy=0D=0Atubes. I beleived it to be a replacement for radioactive acti= vators.=0D=0AThis was a mistake that was sure to haunt me. The chlorine a= s an=0D=0Aactivator turned out to a bad substitution. The output from a t= ube=0D=0Ausing chlorine is minute. The electrodes are attacked by the chl= orine.=0D=0ANot to mention this gas is poisonous to breath.=0D=0A =0D=0AI= now realize that there is no substitution for the radioactive=0D=0Aactiv= ators.=0D=0AThis is the reason why this device will not be allowed for pu= blic use.=0D=0AThe government has made people absolutely paranoid about "= radiation."=0D=0A =0D=0AYes, the radioactive materials in a nuclear react= or are toxic=21=0D=0AHowever, what they fail to tell people is that the r= adioactivity=0D=0Aextracted from natural radioactive ores are not deadly.= If you process=0D=0Athe ores with fluorine gas, of course its going to b= ecome deadly.=0D=0AWhat if the radioactive materials are made into a simp= le tinture?=0D=0AThey don't want you to know the truth.=0D=0A =0D=0AWhere= do you think "zero-point" energy comes from?=0D=0A =0D=0ABruce A. Perrea= ult=0D=0A=0D=0AFrom freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 8 10:14:02 199= 6=0D=0AReceived: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.= 12) id=0D=0AJAA21164; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 09:59:45 -0700 (PDT)=0D=0AResent-Da= te: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 09:59:45 -0700 (PDT)=0D=0AMessage-ID: =3C3259D487.3FF= C@cyberportal.net=3E=0D=0ADate: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 00:11:51 -0400=0D=0AFrom= : "Bruce A. Perreault" =3Cnuenergy@cyberportal.net=3E=0D=0AReply-To: nuen= ergy@cyberportal.net=0D=0AOrganization: Nu Energy Horizons=0D=0AX-Mailer:= Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I)=0D=0AMIME-Version: 1.0=0D=0ATo: freenrg-L@esk= imo.com=0D=0ASubject: (no subject)=0D=0AReferences: =3C199610081619.MAA14= 949@cyberport.cyberportal.net=3E =3C3259CDD7.=0D=0A2200@cyberportal.net=3E= =3C3259D3C0.619C@cyberportal.net=3E=0D=0AContent-Type: text/plain; chars= et=3Dus-ascii=0D=0AContent-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit=0D=0AResent-Message-ID= : =3C"Hdp2x3.0.ZA5.zXeMo"@mail=3E=0D=0AResent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com=0D= =0AX-Mailing-List: =3Cfreenrg-l@eskimo.com=3E archive/latest/253=0D=0AX-L= oop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com=0D=0APrecedence: list=0D=0AResent-Sender: freen= rg-l-request@eskimo.com=0D=0A=0D=0ATo: All=0D=0A =0D=0AI began experiment= ing early this morning. I have found the power source=0D=0Aof the Henders= hot device. Read page #41 "FROM THE ARCHIVES OF LESTER J.=0D=0AHENDERSHOT= ." Paragraphs 4-6. It is really simple when you look at for=0D=0Awhat it.= The Hendershot device is powered by two electrolytic cells=21=0D=0A =0D=0A= One element is iron, the other aluminum. In this case the consumed=0D=0Ae= lement is iron. The oxide layer on the aluminum foil acts as a=0D=0Adepol= orizer. The Hendershot circuit converts the direct current from the=0D=0A= electrolytic cells into 220 volts, 60Hz. There you have it, mystery=0D=0A= solved...=0D=0A =0D=0AFellow Researcher, Bruce A. Perreault=0D=0A=0D=0AFr= om freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 8 10:14:52 1996=0D=0AReceived: = (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id=0D=0AJAA20= 952; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 09:58:54 -0700 (PDT)=0D=0AResent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 19= 96 09:58:54 -0700 (PDT)=0D=0AMessage-ID: =3C3259D387.63B1@cyberportal.net= =3E=0D=0ADate: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 00:07:35 -0400=0D=0AFrom: "Bruce A. Perre= ault" =3Cnuenergy@cyberportal.net=3E=0D=0AReply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.= net=0D=0AOrganization: Nu Energy Horizons=0D=0AX-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold = (Win95; I)=0D=0AMIME-Version: 1.0=0D=0ATo: freenrg-L@eskimo.com=0D=0ASubj= ect: (no subject)=0D=0AReferences: =3C199610081617.MAA14846@cyberport.cyb= erportal.net=3E =3C3259CD9C.=0D=0A1798@cyberportal.net=3E=0D=0AContent-Ty= pe: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii=0D=0AContent-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit=0D= =0AResent-Message-ID: =3C"OlE2p2.0.C75.1XeMo"@mail=3E=0D=0AResent-From: f= reenrg-l@eskimo.com=0D=0AX-Mailing-List: =3Cfreenrg-l@eskimo.com=3E archi= ve/latest/252=0D=0AX-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com=0D=0APrecedence: list=0D=0A= Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com=0D=0A=0D=0AResponse to fellow= researchers,=0D=0A =0D=0ADennis C. Lee wrote:=0D=0A =0D=0A Hi Bruce;=0D= =0A =0D=0A I found the xenon flash tube switching idea on your circuit=0D= =0Afascinating.=0D=0ACan these tubes switch the required 1000 - 2000 Amps= /uS for the primary=0D=0Aof a tesla coil?=0D=0A =0D=0ARegards;=0D=0ADenni= s C. Lee=0D=0A =0D=0AA. The tube circuit was not designed to power Tesla = coils. I use a=0D=0Adifferentciruit now for the radiant energy tube. I am= hoping to have =0D=0Athe circuit scanned soon so that I can send it to f= ellow researchers.=0D=0A =0D=0ASorry for the attitude I popped the other = day. I thought you were =0D=0ADennis M. Lee.=0D=0A =0D=0AWarm regards,=0D= =0ABruce A. Perreault=0D=0A=0D=0AFrom freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue O= ct 8 10:48:08 1996=0D=0AReceived: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eski= mo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id=0D=0AKAA28942; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 10:31:11 -0700 (P= DT)=0D=0AResent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 10:31:11 -0700 (PDT)=0D=0AMessage-I= D: =3C3259D3C0.619C@cyberportal.net=3E=0D=0ADate: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 00:08:= 32 -0400=0D=0AFrom: "Bruce A. Perreault" =3Cnuenergy@cyberportal.net=3E=0D= =0AReply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net=0D=0AOrganization: Nu Energy Horizo= ns=0D=0AX-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I)=0D=0AMIME-Version: 1.0=0D=0A= To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com=0D=0ASubject: (no subject)=0D=0AReferences: =3C1= 99610081619.MAA14949@cyberport.cyberportal.net=3E =3C3259CDD7.=0D=0A2200@= cyberportal.net=3E=0D=0AContent-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii=0D=0A= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit=0D=0AResent-Message-ID: =3C"ZAA792.0.347.= T_eMo"@mail=3E=0D=0AResent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com=0D=0AX-Mailing-List= : =3Cfreenrg-l@eskimo.com=3E archive/latest/254=0D=0AX-Loop: freenrg-l@es= kimo.com=0D=0APrecedence: list=0D=0AResent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eski= mo.com=0D=0A=0D=0ABruce A. Perreault wrote:=0D=0A=3E =0D=0A=3E Mail Deliv= ery Subsystem wrote:=0D=0A=3E =3E=0D=0A=3E =3E The original message was r= eceived at Tue, 8 Oct 1996 12:19:16 -0400 (EDT=0D=0A)=0D=0A=3E =3E from b= ruceperreault.cyberportal.net [204.97.235.86]=0D=0A=3E =3E=0D=0A=3E =3E = ----- The following addresses have delivery notifications -----=0D=0A=3E= =3E =3Cfreenrg-1@eskimo.com=3E (unrecoverable error)=0D=0A=3E =3E=0D=0A= =3E =3E ----- Transcript of session follows -----=0D=0A=3E =3E ... whi= le talking to mail.eskimo.com.:=0D=0A=3E =3E =3E=3E=3E RCPT To:=3Cfreenrg= -1@eskimo.com=3E=0D=0A=3E =3E =3C=3C=3C 550 =3Cfreenrg-1@eskimo.com=3E...= User unknown=0D=0A=3E =3E 550 =3Cfreenrg-1@eskimo.com=3E... User unknown= =0D=0A=3E =3E=0D=0A=3E =3E ------------------------------------------= ---------------------=0D=0A=3E =3E Reporting-MTA: dns; cyberport.cyberpor= tal.net=0D=0A=3E =3E Received-From-MTA: DNS; bruceperreault.cyberportal.n= et=0D=0A=3E =3E Arrival-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 12:19:16 -0400 (EDT)=0D=0A=3E= =3E=0D=0A=3E =3E Final-Recipient: RFC822; freenrg-1@eskimo.com=0D=0A=3E = =3E Action: failed=0D=0A=3E =3E Status: 5.2.0=0D=0A=3E =3E Remote-MTA: DN= S; mail.eskimo.com=0D=0A=3E =3E Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 =3Cfreenrg-1@e= skimo.com=3E... User unknown=0D=0A=3E =3E Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1= 996 12:19:20 -0400 (EDT)=0D=0A=3E =3E=0D=0A=3E =3E ------------------= ---------------------------------------------=0D=0A=3E =3E=0D=0A=3E =3E S= ubject: Re: experiments=0D=0A=3E =3E Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 23:31:48 -040= 0=0D=0A=3E =3E From: "Bruce A. Perreault" =3Cnuenergy@cyberportal.net=3E=0D= =0A=3E =3E Organization: Nu Energy Horizons=0D=0A=3E =3E To: freenrg-1@es= kimo.com=0D=0A=3E =3E References: =3C3259A9A1.22C6@cyberportal.net=3E =3C= 3259AA36.7802@cyberportal.=0D=0Anet=3E=0D=0A=3E =3E=0D=0ATo: All=0D=0A =0D= =0AI began experimenting early this morning. I have found the power sourc= e=0D=0Aof the Hendershot device. Read page #41 "FROM THE ARCHIVES OF LEST= ER J.=0D=0AHENDERSHOT." Paragraphs 4-6. It is really simple when you look= at for=0D=0Awhat it. The Hendershot device is powered by two electrolyti= c cells=21=0D=0A =0D=0AOne element is iron, the other aluminum. In this c= ase the consumed=0D=0Aelement is iron. The oxide layer on the aluminum fo= il acts as a=0D=0Adepolorizer. The Hendershot circuit converts the direct= current from the=0D=0Aelectrolytic cells into 220 volts, 60Hz. 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"pgantt@ix.netcom.com" , "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" Subject: Re: Radio Active Material Date: Fri, 18 Oct 96 15:28:24 -0500 From: Ossie Callanan X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03 Resent-Message-ID: <"6nZFq1.0.r22.l0nPo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/301 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: -- [ From: Ossie Callanan * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- Phil, I have just gotten an old smoke alarm and it does contain Americium but only 1 microcurie contained in a sealed stainless steal pellet. I will be conducting a number of experiments but first I must read up on the safety requirements for handling radio active material and also await a Geiger counter that I have just ordered. The Gieger counter must be able to detect both Alpha and Beta particles. I will send to everyone, in the next message, all the information I have on Bruce Perreaults device which basically is just the recent posts here and the Keelynet file. More importantly though, I am presently typing in a paper on nuclear batteries that is excellent and goes a long way to explain the process' involved and the how much energy there is in very small amounts of radio active materials and what is required to tap this energy. It also explains how the Moray and Hubbard devices may work. Regards, Ossie Callanan -------- REPLY, Original message follows -------- Date: Thursday, 17-Oct-96 11:15 AM From: pgantt@ix.netcom.com \ Internet: (pgantt@ix.netcom.com) To: Ossie Callanan \ Internet: (mathew3@netspace.net.au) Subject: Re: Radio Active Material On 10/17/96 16:01:50 you wrote: > >-- [ From: Ossie Callanan * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- > >Bruce A. Perreault, > >You Wrote: > > " The original prototype produced 200 watts for about seven months. The >tube used radium chloride that was scraped from old clock dials. Anyone >who has called me knows this, including Mr. Humphrey. The chemical tube in >the manual is shown as proof of principle. As many of you know the real >McCoy requires radio material. I have never intentionally concealed this >fact. However, until now I have been extremely careful of how I have >presented this fact. " > >The detector in smoke alarms uses a radio-active substance. I am not sure >what it is but if anyone knows please respond. I was wondering if this may >be suitable for a radiant energy tube. It would certainly be available to >everyone(salvaged from old smoke alarms) depending on the amount required. > >Does anyone else know of radio-active materials that may be salvaged from >everyday devices/appliances that may be suitable for these tubes. If Bruce >was able to scrape some from old clock faces and make a working tube, surely >this(Free Energy) is within all our reach... > >Regards, > > Ossie Callanan > > > I have not been privelidged to receive prior messages regarding this subject, but I can tell you that the active ingredient for smoke alarms is Americium. Usually, this is contained in an hermetically sealed stainless steel cylinder and the amount of material is about 100 microcuries. Hope this helps. Please keep me informed as to developments, and if you would, please send me additional information regarding the device referred to above. Thanks, Phil -------- REPLY, End of original message -------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 17 22:28:41 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id WAA12269; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 22:19:37 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 22:19:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 23:18:44 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199610180518.XAA19522@inquo.net> X-Sender: katech#mail.inquo.net@SRV1 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Kent Subject: Re: So, what's up?? (was UFO UpDate: Disclosure of information Resent-Message-ID: <"MlUXc.0.V_2.cDnPo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/302 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: {SNIP} Yes, where the hell is it! I want to know too, Cheers Rob King I did some checking and it seems that there was nothing to do with antigravity, Oh well, looks like we all fell for it and got Jinged up for nothing.... kent From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 17 22:36:52 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id WAA16053; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 22:33:25 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 22:33:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 23:32:12 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199610180532.XAA19858@inquo.net> X-Sender: katech#mail.inquo.net@SRV1 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Kent Subject: Re: Radio Active Material Resent-Message-ID: <"M-4Jf2.0.fw3.YQnPo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/304 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Americium. Usually, this is contained in an hermetically sealed stainless >steel cylinder and the amount of material is about 100 microcuries. Hope >this helps. > >Please keep me informed as to developments, and if you would, please send me > additional information regarding the device referred to above. Are you shure it is in stainless steel? that would make a very effective Alpha Blocker, and thats what a smoke detector needs for Ionization... you had better look again.. all the detectors i have seen have a small doping of it inside the ionization chamber. (right in the center in a stainless steel cup)...(first alert series bout 9$$ bux) Please be extremly careful, allthough americium is a heavy alpha emitter, it still gives off some beta and Gamma as well. radio active substances are not playtoys as i hope you know. Kent Andersen. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 17 22:37:06 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id WAA15921; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 22:32:47 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 22:32:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 22:32:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610180532.WAA02302@claim.goldrush.com> X-Sender: crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wesly crosiar Subject: Re: Radio Active Material Resent-Message-ID: <"Ks0F93.0.gu3.zPnPo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/303 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 03:28 PM 10/18/96 -0500, you wrote: >-- [ From: Ossie Callanan * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- > >Phil, > >I have just gotten an old smoke alarm and it does contain Americium but only >1 microcurie contained in a sealed stainless steal pellet. I will be >conducting a number of experiments but first I must read up on the safety >requirements for handling radio active material and also await a Geiger >counter that I have just ordered. The Gieger counter must be able to detect >both Alpha and Beta particles. > >I will send to everyone, in the next message, all the information I have on >Bruce Perreaults device which basically is just the recent posts here and >the Keelynet file. More importantly though, I am presently typing in a paper >on nuclear batteries that is excellent and goes a long way to explain the >process' involved and the how much energy there is in very small amounts of >radio active materials and what is required to tap this energy. It also >explains how the Moray and Hubbard devices may work. > >Regards, > Ossie Callanan > > >-------- REPLY, Original message follows -------- > >Date: Thursday, 17-Oct-96 11:15 AM > >From: pgantt@ix.netcom.com \ Internet: (pgantt@ix.netcom.com) >To: Ossie Callanan \ Internet: (mathew3@netspace.net.au) > >Subject: Re: Radio Active Material > >On 10/17/96 16:01:50 you wrote: >> >>-- [ From: Ossie Callanan * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- >> >>Bruce A. Perreault, >> >>You Wrote: >> >> " The original prototype produced 200 watts for about seven months. The >>tube used radium chloride that was scraped from old clock dials. Anyone >>who has called me knows this, including Mr. Humphrey. The chemical tube in >>the manual is shown as proof of principle. As many of you know the real >>McCoy requires radio material. I have never intentionally concealed this >>fact. However, until now I have been extremely careful of how I have >>presented this fact. " >> >>The detector in smoke alarms uses a radio-active substance. I am not sure >>what it is but if anyone knows please respond. I was wondering if this may >>be suitable for a radiant energy tube. It would certainly be available to >>everyone(salvaged from old smoke alarms) depending on the amount required. >> >>Does anyone else know of radio-active materials that may be salvaged from >>everyday devices/appliances that may be suitable for these tubes. If Bruce >>was able to scrape some from old clock faces and make a working tube, >surely >>this(Free Energy) is within all our reach... >> >>Regards, >> >> Ossie Callanan >> >> >> > >I have not been privelidged to receive prior messages regarding this >subject, but I can tell you that the active ingredient for smoke alarms is >Americium. Usually, this is contained in an hermetically sealed stainless >steel cylinder and the amount of material is about 100 microcuries. Hope >this helps. > >Please keep me informed as to developments, and if you would, please send me > additional information regarding the device referred to above. > >Thanks, > >Phil: Look at it under a microscope, and in the dark, if you see a lot of light it will probably work. crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM THANKS WES WESLEY CROSIAR PO BOX 268 SAN ANDREAS, CA. 95249 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 17 23:56:26 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id XAA08381; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 23:54:33 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 23:54:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 23:54:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610180654.XAA03642@claim.goldrush.com> X-Sender: crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wesly crosiar Subject: Re: Radio Active Material Resent-Message-ID: <"Lo61Q2.0.n22.ecoPo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/305 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: To all: Has anyone heard from TIMOTHY CHANDLER, I don't know whether he can enter into these conversations due to the nature of his job[PLASMA PROPULSION NUCLEAR PHYSICIST], but it sure would be interesting to get his input, if he could! I haven't heard from him in months. crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM THANKS WES WESLEY CROSIAR PO BOX 268 SAN ANDREAS, CA. 95249 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 18 02:22:59 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id TAA17087; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 19:38:19 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 19:38:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 19:37:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610160237.TAA00896@claim.goldrush.com> X-Sender: crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wesly crosiar Subject: hendershot coil Resent-Message-ID: <"QHwf53.0.sA4.Pg4Po"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/286 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: TO ALL: I rewound the hendershot cell, wetting the seperator with electrolytic solution left over from the microwave capacitor. I then peeled back the layer of plastic on the capacitor, so the aluminum would make direct contact with the now wet seperator. I then rewound the cell. After completing the cell I then proceded to test the cell, The reading I got was as high as 30 millivolts after letting the capacitor charge up, when I took the reading from the two ends of the exposed capacitor, the voltage dropped from 30 to 40 millivolts to one tenth of a millivolt steady. I then measured the voltage between the can and the capacitor and got a reading of eight tenths of a millivolt stedy. To those of you who get higher readings without your meter hooked to anything, keep in mind that I don't live near any power that can affect my readings. I'm sure that I must be doing something wrong. Maybe the capacitor acts as a 60 cycle resonant antenna, which would mean that the length and width of the capacitor is very important. HOW IS THAT ADAMS MOTOR PROGRESSING? I also completed the don smith device, the feedback system works,kinduv. after starting it up with a battery that read 12.6 volts, we then ran it for thirty to fourty minutes. The battery charged consistently at over thirteen volts, with the highest reading about 13.78, after we finished the voltage read 12.56 and slowly climbed to 12.74. That finished the testing for that day. A couple of weeks later I set it up again, this time using a three amphour, 12 volt lead acid gel cell. We started with a fully charged battery which read 12.9. When we turned it on and adjusted the sparkgap. The feedback went up to thirty to fourty volts. We then adjusted the sparkgap so the charging rate was 13.8 or so after running for ten minutes or so we shut off and measured the stand voltage, which now had dropped to 12.8. We then set the feedback for maximum and let it charge at 40 to 50 volts. I'm not sure exactly, I was afraid to get that close to the battery. After another five minutes or so we shut it off and tested it again, the voltage had dropped another tenth. We kept repeating and the voltage kept dropping, even though the feedback showed it was charging. I have not tested the output yet, because we are so far out of resonance. In a week or so when I finish some other things, We will tune it for resonance, which requires an oscilliscope which is tied up testing another project of mine. Does anybody know where I can get enough radium to coat both sides of a business card. I don't need very much? crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM THANKS WES WESLEY CROSIAR PO BOX 268 SAN ANDREAS, CA. 95249 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 18 02:32:39 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id PAA29231; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 15:57:18 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 15:57:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <32672A55.60A@netcomuk.co.uk> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 23:57:25 -0700 From: Rob King X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-NC260 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Free Energy Part 5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dcLqy1.0.a87.CdhPo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/299 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Date: 17th October, 1996 Time 23:40 (bit late) Dear All, PART 5. Gi’dday Alan, BTW, I used to live in Tasmania, Devenport in a little village on the Don river many years ago, its just a stones throw across the Bass Strait to where you are I guess. Thanks for getting all that info on the Roberts Adams device for me, you’re a Saint, got any more data? It’s odd that bit about the pure iron core. Floppy drives have a small semi-sealed bearing that you can blast with WD40 to remove some of the grease, and perhaps heat it a little may help to loosen it up. Then drop some sewing machine oil in there. Use some PTFE strip off and old mouse for the polished spindle to sit on, this works very well. I have decided to completely change the circuit diagram for the pulses. It should be easier to build and get working (no PIC chip for a start). It will consist of: 1. 5 volt regulator to drive the logic circuits. 2. DC-DC regulator with a variable output of 1.2 to 12volts ( to vary the stator coil current). 3. 6 ultra-violet emitters and 6 photo diodes to match. (get these from several mice). 4. 6 transistors(possibly) to drive into the flip-flops. 5. a quad flip-flop chip to trigger the power MOSFETs. 6. 3 Power MOSFETs, BUZ11A. These are rated as: Pol Id max Rds(on) P.max Vds Vgs tr max tf max N 30.0A 0.04 ohms 75W 50V 4V 110ns 170ns The stator cores will be crushed ferrite powder mixed with resin and poured onto the coils sitting face down, arranged in a make-shift mold, on a piece of wax polished glass. Then rotor assembly can then be bolted onto the bearing plate. BTW, get rid of any steel bolts for the construction, use brass, they cause the cogging effect I mentioned before that I thought was the Earth’s magnetic field ! The optos can be mounted so their position can be changed during run time. I will try and do some more pictures for the circuits at the weekend. I plan on using some liquid nitrogen to super-cool the coils, and so drop their resistance, if it does not produce over-unity after exhaustive testing. Like I keep saying, over unity with this device must be possible as long as it is very efficient. When the Japanese designed these floppy drives they don’t think, “I know, lets make it super efficient, it will probably double the cost of it, but it will use hardly any power...”, of course not. If you use wire of very low resistance, like pure forms of tin or lead, you can increase the current in the stator windings and at the same time reduce your voltage, this in turn produces an amount of power from the output shaft which is over unity. Will someone p*l*e*a*s*e sell me some enamel coated super-conducting wire of about 0.4 mm dia., I only need a few meters of it. Please let me know how you are all getting on with your own projects. Speak to you soon, Rob King Email address: ROBK@netcomuk.co.uk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 18 02:48:57 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id CAA26291; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 02:46:54 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 02:46:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610180946.TAA27143@tornado.netspace.net.au> To: "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" Subject: Paper On Nuclear Batteries Date: Fri, 18 Oct 96 20:09:03 -0500 From: Ossie Callanan X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03 Resent-Message-ID: <"RI3Ey2.0.iQ6.C8rPo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/306 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: -- [ From: Ossie Callanan * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- To all, Following is an excellent paper explaining how nuclear batteries work and how the Moray and Hubbard device may have operated as nuclear batteries and did actually produce the power levels quoted by this process. ZPE buffs and Vacuum/Radiant buffs please don't be offended by the second last sentence in the paper because I think the last sentence makes up for it .... Hope this raises some positive disussion and experiment, but please do it safely. If you dont know if its safe, find out if it is and only then proceed if it is. Hopefully this forum may be educated enough to extract the appropriate information regarding the handling of radio active materials safely for the purpose of experimentation. If anyone knows of any sources on the internet, please inform us all. Regards, Ossie Callanan The Moray Device and the Hubbard Coil were Nuclear Batteries Paul Brown Collected Reasearch Monographs, Vol. 1 Cadake Industries, 1987 The natural radioactive decay elements emit three primary forms of radiation ; alpha, beta and gamma. Alpha particles are helium nulei or heliumions consisting of 2 protons and 2 neutrons giving them a mass number of 4 and each alpha particle carries two positive charges. Beta particles on the other hand are high speed electrons meaning that each beta carries a single negative charge. Gamma rays are photons and consequently we have no need to discuss them here. An alpha or beta particle in motion constitutes a current element. Several charged particles in motion is an electric current and is measured in amps. What I am trying to tell you is that alpha and beta radiation is naturally an electrical phenomenon only these radiations have no polarity. Natural radioactivity is emitted in all directions so that you end up with no net current or voltage. The object of a nuclear battery is to provided polarity to these emissions to achieve an electric current. As the particles are absorbed, the vvelocity goes to zero and the magnetic fiel collapses, yielding a variation of flux to produce an emf in an induction coil. Now, the amount of power contained in these particles is phenomenal. A charged particle in motion carries with it a magnetic field of an magnitude determined by the particles charge and velocity. Energy is stored in this magnetic field and is released as the particle is slowed or absorbed. The opposite principle of accellerating a particle by pumping energy into it. For instance, an alpha particle travelling at 67% the speed of light is absorbed in 6 mils of copper; the energy produced during this absorption is equivalent to 10 watts. Granted, this is 10 watts for only a micro second, but if you are using a 1 curie alpha source then we are now talking about 37 billion alpha particles per second. Madame Curie is quoted as saying "The complete transformation of a gram of radium into lead, produces about 100, 000 times more energy than the combustion of one gram of hydrogen." And Ernst Rutherford said, "one pound of radium would radiate energy at the rate of 10,000 horsepower." Hopefully, it is now obvious to you that the energy content of radium is enormous. Now, I must point out that the use of radium is common to both of the devices in our discussion. Lets look at conventional nuclear batteries and see how they convert alpha and beta decay into electricity. But first, I should tell you about how exposure to these radiations alters the dynamics in any electric circuit. A conductor exposed to these radiations has its resistance reduced and its conductivity increased while dielectrics become partial conductors and their conductivity is not described by Ohm's Law. These characteristics have been known by the scientific community since 1903. In addition to that, in 1916 it was shown that by using a weak solution of radium in conjunction with radio aerials near the antenna or tuning coil greatly increased receptitly of radio, even in circumstances where no stations could be recieved before. Most of these phenomena are explained by looking to the atomic scale to see what happes as a particle is absorbed. For an alpha particle being absorbed in copper, the particle is travelling at a high rate of speed and has a large amount of kinetic energy which is transferred to the electrons of the copper by collision. The alpha produces some 86,000 ions before being absorbed. These ions are then free electrons in the conductor in addition to those normally present. This process is called the Multiplication Factor of the cell. That is because for every incident beta particle you get say, 20, 000 electrons. Conventional nuclear batteries are composed of cells of several types. For now, we will concern ourselves with only the basic four. The commonly known beta cell as first demonstrated by Mosely in 1913, was a beta source sitting on a feedthrough insulator at the center of an evecuated conductive sphere. As a beta particle leavves the source, it gives the source a net positive charge and as the beta particle is absorbed by the sphere it contributes a negative charge to this electrode. Further charges increase the difference in potential and current may be drawn from this to a load in the usual manner. An alpha source may be substitued by the principle remains the same. This is the beta or alpha voltaic effect and batteries of this type have been built as large as 2,000 watts that could fit into the palm of your hand . The contact potential difference cell or a class 2 nuclear battery; Simply put, this is a conventional battery composed of a stack of plates composed of material with different work functions only no electrolyte is used. Instead, we immerse the plates in a radioactive gas. The life of all nuclear batteries is proportional to the half-life of the source material used. For radium, the half-life is 1,600 years. The advantage of this type of cell over the beta cell, is its multiplication factor. One high energy beta particle ionizes many gas molecules before it is finally stopped. Each of these new charged particles is effective in placing a charge on the electrodes. Cells of this class commonly have multiplication factors of about 200. The third type is the class 3 P-N junction cell. By simply exposing a p-n junction transistor to alpha or beta bombardment, the transistor produces power to drive a load. Cells of this type have multiplication factors in the realm of 200,000 times. And finally, the thermojunction type or radioisotope thermoelectric generator commonly called the RTG. This is the most dependable and the least efficient type of cell. Radioactive source materials are hotter than their surroundings due to self absorption of particles. By simply placing a thermocouple in the vicinity of this heat source, the energy is converted into electricity. Cells of this type operate at only about 20% efficiency but Voyager is equipped with an RTG. I believe the simplest type of nuclear battery is the class B type. Simply put, the device is a radioactive wire. Using a conventional bettery and load utilizing a radioactive wire to complete the circuit. As current is drawn from the battery, it is amplified so that the full load current is not drwn from the battery. If you wind a transformer utilizing radioactive wire, the transformer acts as a current amplifier. This patent is closely related to the Hubbard coil. The McElrath patent; A cold cathode vacuum tube nuclear battery. This application was filed in 1939. I believe if Moray ever filed for patent, he must have had a conflict with this patent. An LCR oscillation is the electrical counterpart of a swinging pendulum. If you could eliminate the wind resistance and the friction in the pivot, then the pendulum would swing or oscillate forever, in response to an impulse. At resonance, if it were not for the ohmic resistance of the circuit, then the LCR oscillation would continue foreve. By experiment we have found the 8 series transformer arrangement of Hubbard's to yeild a low damping design. This transformer in series with a capacitor and a means for absorbing nuclear decay (the fuel cell), forms an LCR tank circuit. Normally, such a circuit would yeild a damped oscillation in response to an electrical impulse. However, the fuel cell contributes energy to the oscillation through every cycle as current is carried through the wire. The result is a current build up in the tank which must be removed and this is accomplished by impedance matching a transformer to the circuit. That is to say, the LCR oscillation does not damp out due to the energy contributed by the fuel cell . Simply put, this is the secret of the Hubbard Coil. It is an LC resonant tank oscillation, available to be removed from the tank by an impedance matched transformer. Lets compare this to the statements made by Hubbard himself. From the Seattle Post Intelligencer we read, "the current is pulsating...its life as a power unit is indefinite..it is made up of a group of eight electromagnets, each with a primary and secondary winding of copper wire, which are arranged around a large steel core...the core likewise has a single winding...about the entire group of coils is a secondary winding... a coil thus constructed is lifeless until given an intitial impulse...an inital impulse is given by connecting the ends of its windings for a fraction of a second to an ordinary house lighting circuit... the manner of this momentary charging constitues the priciple secret... a device for extracting electrical energy from radium. All of these statements tend to support my theory of operation. In summation then, the Hubbard Coil is a low damping power transformer utilizing the primary winding in an LC tank circuit oscillating at its resonant frequency. The transformer secondary is impedance matched ti the primary oscillations to yeild output power. Oscillations in the primary tank are started by placing a pulse across the secondary. The oscillating primary tank circuit absorbs energy of radioactive decay from radium. Now we will take a look at the Moray Device. It is a simple amplifier driven by an RF signal and containing the Moray Valve. Actually this is a transformer coupled, Class-A amplifier in which the power consuming load is coupled to the plate circuit through an impedance matched transformer. The Moray Valve itself which from his notes we know used a compression alloy including radium chloride. I am going to describe the Moray device as a high frequency LC resonant circuit in multiple stages utilizing a novel (radium doped) detector and novel oscillator tubes also containing radioactive materials. Lates compare the Moray circuit to the McElrath circuit, which is a cold cathode, vacuum tube amplifier driven by an RF source to produce usable power. These tubes of McElrath's used radium on the emitter. In Moray's early device, he used an antenna and ground. RF signals are impressed upon the LCR tank circuit to yeild high frequency oscillations and the circuit was tuned to resonance for maximum current in the tank. Energy from radiated particles is contributed to the circuit by absorption in the detector which also has a high multiplication factor due to the cascade of electrons produced within the germanium of the detector. The circuit dumps the excess energy into a second stage oscillator to go through the same process and so on through multiple stages. Later design improvements eliminated the antenna and ground connections but required an input emf to initiate the oscillations in the first stage. The Moray device utilizes many priciples characterized by conventional nuclear batteries of the class 1,2,3 and class 5 types. By comparison, we see that the priciple for operation of the Hubbard Coil is the same as the Moray device employs only utilizing a different technique. Namely, both use an oscillating primary LC tank cicuit at its self resonant frequency with radioactive decay energy contributed by particle absorption within the primary ciruit and electrical energy is removed from the LC tank by means of an impedance matched transformer. In conclusion, we now see a plausible explanation for two so called FREE ENERGY devices. This appraoch yields an explanation for their claimed performance within the context of contemporary science without invoking such borderland concepts as the aether or zero point energy. Proper application of this technology could be of tremendous value to all of humanity. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 18 02:48:58 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id CAA26524; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 02:47:35 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 02:47:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610180947.TAA27218@tornado.netspace.net.au> To: "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" Subject: Perreault Tube Device Part 2/2 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 96 20:09:36 -0500 From: Ossie Callanan X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03 Resent-Message-ID: <"J4aKP.0.KU6.r8rPo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/307 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: -- [ From: Ossie Callanan * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- SUMMARY OF THE INVENTION Thus in accordance with the present invention, there is provided a method of utilizing ionized particles for the generation of efficient electrical energy. In the present invention, new and novel improvements are apparent. The need for an enormous collector surface no longer exists. Transistors can now replace the outdated spark gap and or high vacuum transmission tubes. The present invention efficiently converts ionizing energy to voltages suitable for practical usage. A source of X-ray energy is provided by the present invention. This source can be artificially generated and will not produce toxic radioisotopes. Converted energy in the present invention may be directly available for driving motors, lighting, production of heat and used in electrochemistry. The method of the invention includes, means for exposing a REACTIVE GAS, such as CHLORINE to a source of ionizing energy. Other objects and advantages of the present invention will become apparent from the following description of the preferred embodiment of the present invention, with references to the attached drawings, in which: Fig. 1 is a block diagram of the present invention; Fig. 2 is a diagram showing the present invention being exposed to a source of ionizing energy of extreme voltage and of short duration. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF THE PREFERRED EMBODIMENTS Thus in accordance with the present invention, there is provided a radiant energy converter comprising a first metallic electrode made of ZINC METAL and a second metallic electrode made of IRON SULFIDE nested parallel to the first electrode. A number of electrode couples may be used and still not depart from the spirit of this invention. The inter-electrode spacing contains the reactive gas CHLORINE. A number of gasses MAY BE USED and still not depart from the spirit of this invention. Means are also provided, at the end of the electrodes, to provide external electrical leads from the electrodes to a load circuit. The method to generate electrical energy also includes, with a device just described, means for exposing the internal reactive gas to a radiant energy source of sufficient strength. The conversion of radiant energy to useful electrical energy is apparent. The small solid-state components of this apparatus make it a practical compact unit. An electronic circuit effects energy absorption. The electronegative electrode may contain oxygen gas in the form of a solid. Manganese dioxide may be used for this purpose. The electropositive electrode may contain hydrogen gas in the form of a solid. Lithium hydride may be used for this purpose. The gasses react when the inter-electrode spacing of these electrodes is subjected to radiant energy pulses. The gasses become SUPER CONDUCTIVE. This causes the oxygen and hydrogen gasses to react chemically with minute energy loss. Chemical energy is now converted to electrical energy with extreme efficiency. Furthermore, an electrical transformer can be utilized to transform this electromotive energy to a usable voltage. Referring now to FIG. 1 of the drawings, (1) consists of a gas tight vessel. Provision is made for an inlet tube (2) to introduce chlorine gas (3). Provision is made for iron sulfide electrode (4) and zinc electrode (5). ANY NUMBER of electrode couples, or gas combinations may be utilized and still not depart from the spirit of this invention. A source of ionization (6) is provided. The chlorine gas (3) must become ionized in order for it to bombard the electrode (5). When the chlorine gas (3) is ionized it becomes a conductor, its conductivity is a measure of its ionization. There are a number of ways to ionize the chlorine gas (3). X-ray energies emitted from the sun will ionize the chlorine gas (3). Radioactive materials will ionize the chlorine gas (3). Pulsating high-voltage produced by an electrical transformer will ionize the chlorine gas (3). Any number of ionizing sources may be utilized and still not depart from the spirit of my invention. I stake my claim to the method of power generation. If an electronic ionizing source (6) is used, once started, the energy produced by said invention will keep the electronic circuit energized. Initially the electronic circuit must be PRIMED by an outside power source (7). When said invention begins generating electrical energy the external source (7) IS NO LONGER NEEDED. A small rechargeable battery may be used as the external source (7). Said invention will keep the external source (7) fully charged. Greater amounts of energy can be stored in a compact manner than any previously known electrochemical system. Furthermore, if radiant energy is used as the ionizing source its energy is converted into electrical power. The voltage from said invention is very stable. The output can be varied from a non-pulsating, direct current, to a high frequency pulsating output. The output pulsation rate is varied by the rate in which the electronic ionizing source (6) pulsates. The pulsation rate of the ionizing source (6) is determined by its circuit characteristics. These characteristics are well known in the engineering field. Any number of known electronic circuits may be utilized for the electronic ionizing source (6) and still not depart from the spirit of said invention. If the ionizing source comes from radiant energy the pulse rate is a factor in the decay rate. * This invention may use a resistant FABRIC dielectric woven to serve as a strong mechanical separator, at the same time sufficiently porous to PERMIT CIRCULATION of the gasses between electrodes. Fabrics made of borosilicate (PYREX) fibers are particularly suitable for this invention . ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Figure 1 - Cold Fission generator layout (the left side of the diagram is off the page on my copy, but it appears to be related to the transformer POWER TAP from the system via the transformer and bridge rectifier) _______ Antenna==> \ / \ / ____________________________| | | | | | | _____________ | ___|___ | | | | | | | | Prime | | |_____| | | Source | | | | | |___________| | | | | | + plus | | | | ------------------*----------------| | |<==Radiant | ______|______ | | Energy | | | | | Tube | | Tube |__________ | | | | Ionizer | | |_____| | |___________| | | | | | | |_____| | | | | | __________________| | | | | | |__________|____ | | ___|___ 250KV pulse | ___ | | _____ | / | | | ___ |____|/|____| | _ | /| | | ACin \ | / | |------ | -----------/ | Variable | / \ / \ _____________________| Capacitor | __ / \ __| greater / / | (+) \ / (-) turns * * <== few turns coil | \ / coil ==>\ \_________________________________| | bridge rect. / |---------------------\ <=== Transformer ACin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Figure 2 - Construction diagram of the Radiant Energy Tube __ chlorine gas __ | |<==iron center electrode (2) Inlet tube===>| | | | _|__|____| |_________ || | | || <==fine sand or porous PVC end cap==>||________| |________|| dielectric material || | | || || | | || <==(4) iron sulfide ||________|__|________|| electrode | | (iron pyrite) | | (1) PVC tube===>| | <==(3) chlorine gas | | throughout | | | | | | <==this space is FILLED | | with FINE SAND or a | | porous dielectric | | material | | |____________________| || | | || || | | || <==(5) zinc electrode PVC end cap==>||________| |________|| || | | || ||________| |________|| <==fine sand or porous | | dielectric material |---| | | |__| <==iron center electrode | _____|_____ | Tube | (6)==>| Ionizer | |_________| ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Ionizer Circuit Pulse/Frequency Driver section - 120VAC version ____ 1N4006 _______ resistor \______| |____________| \|__________| R1 |________________\ V+ / | | | | /| | |_______| / 120VAC | | | diode | in | | __|__ __|__ (+) \______| |__ / \ _____ 10uF / |____| | /_____\1N4006 | (-) 350V R1 adjusts pulse 1:2 xformer | | | repitition rate voltage |______\ ____________| Start with 1K 15W, doubler / | if flashtube does | __|__ (+) not get hot, it is | _____ 10uF OK to reduce R1 | | (-) 350V | | |______________|____________________________\ GND / ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Pulse/Frequency Driver section - CMOS version _________ +12VDC _______| 4.7k ohm|____ | | |_________| | _______| ______\ | | |370uF | | / | | __|__ 16V | | V+ | | _____ | __|__ | | \ (invert) | | \ (invert) | | / \ 1N4006 |______| \/\________|______| \ /\____ | | /___\ | | /\/ | / \/ | | _|___ | | | / | / _|_ | | |__| | CD4584 CD4584 | | | |xform|Allegro | | | | | |Cor2 or Cor3 ___|___ 1.5k | | | |_____|_____ _____ resistor|___| | | | _ | | _| | | | / | |___/ \_|/ TIP 31A | | |\ heat sinked | | V__ | | | | | | | |________ \ ______|__/GND / \ ___|___ ___ _ In an additional phone conversation with Bruce on Friday, December 15th, he said the pulses were very sharp spikes and occurred 20 times per second. This is based on a comment by Henry Moray in his book "The Sea of Energy". These spikes are necessary to maintain the fission reaction. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- High Voltage section ___ Ultra | |----> High | | Voltage \_______________________________________________| | Output / | | trigger | | | _|_ 4.7M ohms _|_ xformer__ | | |<==auto ignition | |<=resistor | | | |\ | |___| coil | | | | | | \ | | |_| resistor=>|_| | | \| | _______| 1M ohms |---------|___| |\ 4kv | | | | | | \ out | | _|_ __|__ | | \ _|_ | / * \ NE-2 _____ SCR _|_a | \|_| xenon | \_*_/ neon .1uF| 4A / \ __|__(+) | | flash-tube __|__ | tube 250V| /\___/ _____ |*| _____ | | / g | c |22uF |_| | .1uF |______________ \ __/ 400V | |350V | | 600V / | | | \__|_____________________|___________|_______|________| / ground | __|__ earth or / / / house wiring ground ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- December 16th, 1988 - Bruce A. Perrault _________________________________________________________ ____|___|______|_____ | _____|______|___|____ Copper |___|______|__________________|________________|______|___| Zinc Rod | | | Rod |_|_| A.C. * I have found it advantageous to introduce CHLORINE GAS to the tube. A high voltage electrostatic field renders the tube CONDUCTIVE. When the tube becomes conductive, it PRODUCES ENERGY. -- November 20th, 1992 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- CONSTRUCTION DETAILS Radiant Energy tube Ionizer Assemble as shown in the circuit diagrams. The auto ignition coil as a transformer and choke. A choke will store energy in its windings as a capacitor does. In this device the ignition coil absorbs energy when a xenon flash-lamp is triggered into conduction. The flash-lamp behaves like an open circuit with infinite resistance until it is triggered. The flash-lamp is triggered by way of a small, lightweight transformer that supplies a 4,000 volt pulse to the lamp. This pulse is capacitively coupled to the xenon gas inside the lamp. This pulse initiates lamp conduction. The xenon, once ionized by the 4KV pulse, suddenly behaves like a switch of only a fraction of an ohm. This allows the coil to energize. When the 4KV is removed the flash-lamp returns to its infinite resistance state, it is again an open switch. Energy that is stored in the ignition coils primary windings discharge across the lamp. This results in a moving magnetic field that induces a series of high voltage surges from the secondary windings of the coil. This is an electronic device that generates AT LEAST 250,000 volts. DO NOT HANDLE this device unless you are familiar with high-voltage safety precautions. This device is POTENTIALLY dangerous. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Radiant Energy Tube Dimensions of these tubes are NOT critical. However, you must PACK DOWN the powders HARD. I have found that raw iron pyrite ORE serves well as the collector (anode) of energy in these tubes. Platinum and Palladium absorb MORE energy but they are too expensive. Iron pyrite ore works quite well and is inexpensive when bought in bulk. Pure zinc metal serves well as the emitter (cathode) material. Magnesium will work better but it is UNSTABLE and probably will explode. Do not use magnesium metal as your emitter material. Lithium Hydride as the emitter material will work best but it is expensive. Chlorine gas is added to the tubes LAST. You must make the tubes AIR-TIGHT. All the air must be sucked out before the chlorine gas is introduced. This vacuum is not critical. The chlorine gas is now allowed to fill the vacuum tube. Ambient pressure is fine. Make sure the tubes are SEALED WELL. You can buy bottled chlorine gas but be prepared to go through bureaucratic red tape. To avoid this hassle you must generate this gas yourself. Calcium Hypochlorite (swimming pool chlorinator) will release chlorine gas when water is added to it. Make sure that you are working in a well-ventilated area when generating this gas. Chlorine gas can accumulate in your lungs forming hydrochloric acid. This would cause SERIOUS lung damage. Severe exposure could BE FATAL. So take the proper precautions and respect this material. You must contain the Calcium Hypochlorite in a closed vessel. This vessel must have a valve and small diameter rubber delivery hose that connects to the tubes. I have used pvc-tubing as my containing vessel. Make sure that you have a pressure gage built into your gas generating container. Pvc-tubing should not exceed 100PSI of pressure. This is the limit established by the manufacturers of pvc-tubing. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Priming your Radiant Energy Converter You may prime this device a number of ways. You can use a 110 volt to 220 volt step-up transformer supplied by a 110 volt wall outlet, or you can build the 12 volt DC inverter circuit and power it with a car battery. You may even prime the circuit with static electricity. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Replacing the Radiant Energy tubes How long will the tubes last? This will depend on the type of emitter material used. A new shot of chlorine gas MAY bring them back to life. There is no doubt in my mind that one of you will find better materials to lengthen the life of the tubes. There are materials that I would like to try but finances have not permitted this at this time. Hopefully there will be enough interest in this power generator so that I may continue my research with the device. I am confident that the tubes could be made to last a long time before needing to be replaced. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Sources for Construction Materials PVC-tubing, sealant, fittings, nuts and bolts These materials may be obtained from your local hardware store. Chlorine gas source may be obtained from Calcium Hypochlorite This material may be purchased from your local hardware or swimming pool supply stores. Ask for a chlorinator for swimming pools. Ignition Coil Can be bought at any automotive parts store. Electronic parts They can be bought from your local Radio Shack. Cathode and anode materials, vacuum-pump and gage, radiant energy tube ionizer These items can be purchased from: Nu Energy Horizons Route 175, Box 445 Campton, NH 03223 Cathode material consists of 99.9% pure - 100 mesh zinc metal. $11.95 per 1/2 lb. Stock #chemzn Anode material consists of raw iron pyrite ore $14.95 per 1 lb. Stock #chemfiss Corrosion Resistant Vacuum/Pressure Pump $99.00 20" Hg max. vacuum -- 18 PSI max pressure Stock #dpump 3" Compound Vacuum/Pressure Gage $39.95 Range 30" Hg vacuum to 30 PSI for air and gases Stock #dgage Completely assemble RADIANT ENERGY tube ionizer $149.95 Stock #degi ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- * Bulk orders are available ** Kits may be offered at a later date. If you would like to be informed when kits are offered, please send a postcard with your name and address to the Nu Energy Horizons address above. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- If you choose to experiment with this device, please; 1) Be careful 2) Share your results with others 3) Inform Bruce Perrault of your progress at the Nu Horizons address Thanks! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 18 02:49:31 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id CAA26591; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 02:47:52 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 02:47:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610180947.TAA27259@tornado.netspace.net.au> To: "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" Subject: Perreault Tube Device Part 1/2 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 96 20:10:21 -0500 From: Ossie Callanan X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03 Resent-Message-ID: <"xttGe.0.KV6.69rPo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/308 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: -- [ From: Ossie Callanan * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- ____________________________________________________________________________ __ | File Name : COLDFISS.ASC | Online Date : 12/15/95 | | Contributed by : Bruce Perrault | Dir Category : ENERGY | | From : KeelyNet BBS | DataLine : (214) 324-3501 | | KeelyNet * PO BOX 870716 * Mesquite, Texas * USA * 75187 | | A FREE Alternative Sciences BBS sponsored by Vanguard Sciences | | InterNet email keelynet@ix.netcom.com (Jerry Decker) | | Files also available at Bill Beaty's http://www.eskimo.com/~billb | |--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -| The following file is the most fascinating information that has come out in dozens of years with respect to some of Henry Morays' experiments with the production of electrical energy using cold cathode chemical reactions. To get up to speed about Moray's work, please refer to the files MORAY1.ASC through MORAY4.ASC on KeelyNet. If you contact Bruce Perrault based on information specified in this document, please mention you got it from the KeelyNet file COLDFISS. Bruce is looking for confirmations and people serious about not only duplicating the tube but EXPANDING the power output. Thanks!! Bruce Perrault has been experimenting with what he calls COLD FISSION for several years. His experiments were first brought to the attention of the International Tesla Society which led to a one hour interview by ITS President J. W. McGinnis. The following is how Bruce's work came to the attention of KeelyNet; Message 1443 DATE/TIME: 11/25/95 18:37 >From : JIM SHAFFER -- RECEIVED -- To : JOEL MCCLAIN Subject: (R) More Moray Folder : A, "Public Mail" Did you hear the Extraordinary Sciences Hour on November 12th? There's a guy named Bruce Perault (guessing at the spelling here) who has built Moray-like devices using ionized chlorine tubes and iron pyrite as the detector. He said Moray used molybdenum sulfide, but iron pyrite is the second-best thing. The ITS is selling plans for $39.95, for a device that will cost about $500 to build. He says he's getting 50KW out of a device weighing about 60 pounds. ---------------------------------------- Message 1471 DATE/TIME: 11/27/95 22:52 >From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) To : ALL Subject: ITS Free Energy Device Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Folks! After reading a public message (1443), I was so fascinated I had to call JW McGinnis and find out the truth about it. So here's the story (but first read message 1443); ... A fellow named Bruce Perrault claims he has discovered how to build a 'cold cathode' vacuum tube, similar to the one developed by Henry Moray. Perrault's tube uses CHLORINE and he claims he has a WORKING prototype which produces 250 Watts. He believes it is scalable and has plans detailing one that might produce the 50KW which Moray achieved. ... The plans are being distributed through the International Tesla Society for $39.95. The order number is 700032. Their voice phone is 719-475-0918, or 800-397-0137 and their FAX is 719-475-0582. ... JW says this guy contacted him and explained his device, from there JW invited him to be interviewed on the Extraordinary Science hourly show. He has NOT seen a working model of this device and the inventor sends the plans to ITS where they sell them for him. JW says this device will be in the next Extraordinary Science Journal and they might even do a video of it kind of like the one Bearden did with Sweets device, where everything is shown, measurements are made and various devices operated from the produced power.. .. ... So, if you are interested, go for it, DESPITE what Don Lancaster says, we CAN'T waste ALL of our time on this 'pseudoscience' stuff....>>> Jerry ---------------------------------------- I ordered the plans from ITS and they arrived this past Thursday. They consist of a stack of papers about 3/4" thick in a loose folder. Many are patents relating to energy tapping from the air, thermal and other processes , a 1956 FATE magazine article about Henry Moray's Radiant Energy Receiver and how Moray could do transmutations!!!, and the inventor's (Bruce Perrault) patent for his energy generation system. At the end of the folder are several papers showing diagrams of how the device is constructed, another paper describing how the parts are assembled and a resource list to buy the parts necessary. Though I did not see any power claims (JW said 250 Watts), it is a fascinating compilation of information to backup why Perrault's invention should work. The device consists of an evacuated cylinder with an anode on one end and a cathode on the other, both separated by sand. The unit is filled with chlorine gas and ionized by a 4KV pulsetrain. The pulsetrain can be adjusted to set the frequency of the device, from DC to as high as you want. I suggest you order the planset, if for no other reason than to support the inventor in further experiments which he plans to share for quite nominal fees. If there is sufficient demand, he may even offer kits, maybe even with preconstructed cylinders, you just attach an ionizer and boom, power comes out of it. Oh, by the way, he says you just have to tickle it with the high voltage to begin the pumping action. Once it gets going, the thing runs on its own. Perrault also indicates power production will degrade over time and the cylinder will need replacement or rebuilding, although possibly a shot of fresh chlorine gas might make it run a bit longer. I thought it VERY SIMILAR to Chernetskii's PLASMATRON, which also uses a plasma that is pumped with high density magnetic pulses to produce over- unity. The addition of the chlorine gas is a twist and the inventor indicates these cylinders can be ganged or scaled up for higher power levels. GET A COPY! Coincidentally, on Friday, 12/14, I got a phone call from Mr. Perrault because Bruce Meland, publisher of 'Electrifying Times' (keeps abreast of current research/technology relating to electric cars and road rally events where they are tested) (503) 388-1908, had sent him one of the KeelyNet Roundtable newsletters. That newsletter was VSRTNOV.95, and intrigued Mr. Perrault enough to want to get a copy of that paper. The quote from the newsletter follows; > > > > > < < < < < ...this was preceded by a short review from the Borderlands Journal of the discoveries of Nathan Stubblefield with 'earth batteries' and how they could be used to provide electrical energy directly from the earth.... Stubblefield routinely powered a SCORE of CARBON ARC LAMPS 24 hours per day from this earth battery system. There are numerous other interesting statements in the article that report on devices which are even now unknown and misunderstood. Gerry Vassilatos did a marvelous report that could easily be expanded into a full book to include all the details and pictures that are still available. If you might want to read this full article and/or subscribe to Borderlands, backissues are $6.95 and a yearly subscription is still only $25. Phone (707) 825-7733 or FAX (707) 825-7779. While you are at it, ask if they might be able to run off a copy of the Farnsworth FUSOR article published earlier this year. ...Another recent Borderland article from a few months back dealt with the Farnsworth FUSOR and Multipactor. This unit multiplies electrons by extracting space energy from the environment for power accumulation. A recent packet of amazing material was sent to Keelynet, courtesy of Mr. Steve Hall. Steve works with Charles Yost at Electric Spacecraft Journal (704) 683-0313, FAX (704) 683-3511, subscription $24 per year. This incredible information (written by Rodney Sego in May 1981) correlates the Multipactor with the Moray power generating system. The packet had a document that I never knew existed and which consisted of an interview with a close Moray family member (believed to be Chester Todd) who recounted all that he had seen from the original Moray experiments to the final version. As a result, this document will wind up as a new Moray file to be placed on KeelyNet and transferred to the InterNet for Bill Beaty's Science page. The document provides details on power generation by the use of radioactive elements to produce an ionized area from alpha emissions and in conjunction with electron multiplier technology as used in the Multipactor. Everything points to a means of using an extremely minute excitation current to stimulate a very large power production. Floyd Sweets VTA also used this phenomenon. > > > > > < < < < < ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- I find it REMARKABLY coincidental how the Moray document, kindly shared with KeelyNet by Steve Hall and bearing a November 3rd postmark, preceded the email comment by Jim Shaffer letting us all know about the November 12th Perrault radio interview with ITS president J.W. McGinnis. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- >From the VSRTDEC.95 Roundtable newsletter; Mr. Perrault says he has successfully operated his energy tube for 7 months outputting 200 Watts before it gave out. A platinum wire was used as the resistive element to load the circuit. Bruce says it is a slow fission process and has given KeelyNet FULL permission to post his plans online as well as pass them to computer networks through the country. A very nice guy and we are exchanging information and contacts that will be shared with everyone. Bruce says he just wants the plans out to everyone and they will soon be selling the tubes, beginning with basic low energy versions and slowly progressing to more powerful versions as people get involved in experimenting and supporting this type of research. The advanced tube construction will remain a trade secret and available through a future distribution network. The main thing now is to let people know what is going on and how the thing works, with support from others who have duplicated it. An excellent approach! Speaking just for myself, I think Bruce would appreciate some donations to help him along. He is very sincere and when you see the info, YOU WILL BE IMPRESSED, especially as others post their successful replications!!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Because of the importance of this information and with the FULL PERMISSION OF Mr. Perrault, KeelyNet is providing the construction details in this document in ASCII file form AND with additional .GIF drawings to ensure accurate reproduction of the information. The files will be : COLDFISS.ASC - this construction and part source file COLDFISA.GIF - the cold fission tube layout COLDFISB.GIF - ionizer circuit diagram (it might be after Christmas before the .GIFs are available) COLDFISS.ZIP - all the above files in .ZIP form We will post additional information as it comes in. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- This is the patent application that Bruce Perrault was planning to file. Perrault, Bruce.................November 16th, 1993 METHOD OF UTILIZING RADIANT ENERGY FOR THE GENERATION OF EFFICIENT ELECTRICAL ENERGY AND DEVICE Inventor : Bruce A. Perrault, Mad River Road, Thornton, New Hampshire 03223 References Cited U.S. Patent Documents Number Name Date 685,957...........N. Tesla............Nov. 5, 1901 685,958...........N. Tesla............Nov. 5, 1901 1,540,998...........H. Plauson..........June 9, 1925 4,368,416...........James, deceased.....January 11, 1983 Other References Primary Batteries (1891), Shelford Bidwell's Battery pg. 113 Direct Conversion of Energy (1964), by William R. Corliss pp. 28-29 (the above articles will be posted on KeelyNet early in 1996) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Abstract A method is disclosed for generating electrical energy, including a new and novel device. The device includes electropositive and electronegative electrodes. The electrodes are provided with electrical connections leading to the electrodes. A sufficient amount of radiant energy applied to a reactive gas causes the gas to react ELECTROCHEMICALLY with the electropositive electrode. This causes an electrical current to flow between the electropositive and electronegative electrodes. An electronic circuit is used to absorb and convert the generated electric current. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- METHOD OF UTILIZING A RADIANT ENERGY FOR THE GENERATION OF EFFICIENT ELECTRICAL ENERGY AND DEVICE BACKGROUND OF THE INVENTION The present invention relates to a device for the conversion of radiant energy to electrical energy and more particularly, to the utilization of GAS IONIZATION to effect an electrochemical reaction. This device absorbs radiant energies emitted by natural or synthetic reactions, more particularly to a device and method that provides improved performance over prior art converters that convert radiant energies into electrical power. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- There are devices that convert radiant energy to electrical current, with poor results. U.S. Patent Nos. 685,957 and 685,958 issued both patents on November 5, 1901 , utilizes air-borne ionized particles to charge an electrical capacitor. The accumulated ions jump a spark-gap and discharge through a load. One difficulty known to exist with this system is the low useable energy that develops. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- U.S. Patent No. 1,540,998 issued June 9, 1925, calls for increased collecting surfaces of electrical capacitors, in an attempt to capture more energy. Yet another method converts high voltage and low current strength to voltages more suitable and of greater current. This system is impractical because of the required cumbersome balloons and collectors involved. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Atomic batteries generate electric currents by the disintegration of radioactive substances. William R. Corliss discusses the direct use of ionized particles expelled by radioisotopes in his report; Direct Conversion of Energy (1964) pp. 28-29. In this report high-velocity ionized negative particles emitted by strontium-90 creates a current of ionized particles. The charge on the particles becomes neutralized by a metallic cylinder. The neutralized particles will find their way back to the strontium-90 becoming again ionized. This cycle repeats itself so long as the strontium-90 remains radioactive. The power generated by this method does not create USEABLE amounts of electrical energy. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Thermionic and thermoelectric energy conversion are discussed in U.S. Patent No. 4,368,416 - James, deceased January 11, 1983. One limitation known to exist with converters of this type is the relatively large heat source required to produce electrical power. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Nuclear reactors generate heat by burning UO2. This material is sensitive to X-ray energy. When the UO2 is exposed to X-ray energy it emits photoelectrons. The photoelectrons cause a chemical reaction. Present day nuclear reactors use a natural source of X-ray energy, called U235. This reaction produces heat. This heat boils water that produces steam. The steam powers a turbine which in turn generates electricity. This type of energy generator requires complex building materials that make this method quite costly. Consumers have paid billions of dollars to build these power plants. Furthermore no one seems to know what to do with the waste products produced by these power plants. The U235 breaks up forming highly toxic radioisotopes. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Despite the prior art that exists in this technology, it is believed that previously there has not existed a small, compact electrical device capable of generating usable levels of power. It is the object of this invention to provide a method embodying an improved device to furnish efficient electrical power to a load. The present invention removes limitations of past attempts to harness radiant energies. Toxis radioisotopes are not formed in the present invention. The primary object of the present invention is to provide a direct method for converting radiant energy to electrical energy, and a new and novel device fo converting radiant energy with high efficiencies. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- 2nd half of file in next post. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 18 02:51:11 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id CAA26752; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 02:48:28 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 02:48:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610180947.TAA27309@tornado.netspace.net.au> To: "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" Subject: Recent Perreault Devices Posts Date: Fri, 18 Oct 96 20:10:37 -0500 From: Ossie Callanan X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03 Resent-Message-ID: <"T7MY.0.qX6.g9rPo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/309 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: -- [ From: Ossie Callanan * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- >From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Sep 25 18:35:41 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id SAA19557; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 18:31:14 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 18:31:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 18:30:47 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Perreault device In-Reply-To: <324961CA.48B@cyberportal.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"_P7Cf3.0.Sn4.WpTIo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/201 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Message I received... .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page On Wed, 25 Sep 1996, "Bruce A. Perreault" wrote: > Please post this rebutal to your site... > From: nuenergy Full-Name: Bruce A. Perreault To: next-gen@ix.netcom.com Subject: Internet response X-Status: New X-Mailer: Juno 1.00 Mr. Humphrey attitude is a prime example of a person for whatever reason has failed to reproduce the Moray device. It is unfortunate that he takes the attitude "if I can not do it, then I will make sure that no one else does." You have to feel sorry for these types of people for about 20 nanoseconds. Throughout history these people have always existed and now is no different. History has shown that the more viab le an invention or idea, the more the detractors craw out of the primordial oz that they craw back into after they have been proven wrong. I am now here on the net to prove wrong those who are the real disseminator's of "disinformation." Yes, I did sign an agreement with Reed Huish, but it was for an atomic battery, not the Moray device. I have filled my end of my agreement with Reed. However, Reed at this point in time has not supplied the required radioactive material, but I know h e will pull through in time. Can any of you go to the local drug store to purchase radioactive materials? What is wrong with signing an agree with Mr. Huish anyway? I find him to be a decent and honest human being. I have not "sold-out"and never will. P eople require contracts to keep honest men honest. What are the required "technical" materials to rebuild the Moray device? The $39 3/4" booklet contained "mountains" of technical information. I got numerous of complaints about the amount of this information. Most people could not consume this much info. Most people are not brain surgeons. The mountains of data did not serve to make things clear. The data confused people even further so I had to omit the material. The original prototype produced 200 watts for about seven months. The tube used radium chloride that was scraped from old clock dials. Anyone who has called me knows this, including Mr. Humphrey. The chemical tube in the manual is shown as proof of principle. As many of you know the real McCoy requires radio material. I have never intentionally concealed this fact. However, until now I have been extremely careful of how I have presented this fact. Future letters to this site will focus on the actual workings of the Moray device. I am making it clear today that I am still in the research stage, the prototypes are not perfected. I offer research guides to people who want to contribute to the dev elopment of a marketable Moray generator. I do not have a product for sale. In fact, I have taken money out of my own pocket to make available information. Getting back to people on the phone costs me small fortunes. The price of updated information that I offer I believe to be fair. I do not add fluff to my booklets. If you want fluff then you can go get a book from Barnes and Nobel. I keep a mailing list of all who have received information from me. When a product is available these people will get the best deals. Many of these people will receive first dibs on dealerships. To get free updates on the Moray device go to; http://www.angelfire.com/pages0/nuenergy/ You can send e-mail to; nuenergy@juno.com A copy of this response is being sent to Mr. Humphrey... >From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 8 10:13:23 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id JAA20369; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 09:56:23 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 09:56:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3259D316.657D@cyberportal.net> Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 00:05:42 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: (no subject) References: <199610081614.MAA14772@cyberport.cyberportal.net> <3259CD24. 374E@cyberportal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"aYJRh3.0.8-4.8UeMo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/251 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com To: Radiant Energy Device Experimenters I originally directed people to use chlorine gas in my radiant energy tubes. I beleived it to be a replacement for radioactive activators. This was a mistake that was sure to haunt me. The chlorine as an activator turned out to a bad substitution. The output from a tube using chlorine is minute. The electrodes are attacked by the chlorine. Not to mention this gas is poisonous to breath. I now realize that there is no substitution for the radioactive activators. This is the reason why this device will not be allowed for public use. The government has made people absolutely paranoid about "radiation." Yes, the radioactive materials in a nuclear reactor are toxic! However, what they fail to tell people is that the radioactivity extracted from natural radioactive ores are not deadly. If you process the ores with fluorine gas, of course its going to become deadly. What if the radioactive materials are made into a simple tinture? They don't want you to know the truth. Where do you think "zero-point" energy comes from? Bruce A. Perreault >From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 8 10:14:02 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id JAA21164; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 09:59:45 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 09:59:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3259D487.3FFC@cyberportal.net> Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 00:11:51 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: (no subject) References: <199610081619.MAA14949@cyberport.cyberportal.net> <3259CDD7. 2200@cyberportal.net> <3259D3C0.619C@cyberportal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Hdp2x3.0.ZA5.zXeMo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/253 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com To: All I began experimenting early this morning. I have found the power source of the Hendershot device. Read page #41 "FROM THE ARCHIVES OF LESTER J. HENDERSHOT." Paragraphs 4-6. It is really simple when you look at for what it. The Hendershot device is powered by two electrolytic cells! One element is iron, the other aluminum. In this case the consumed element is iron. The oxide layer on the aluminum foil acts as a depolorizer. The Hendershot circuit converts the direct current from the electrolytic cells into 220 volts, 60Hz. There you have it, mystery solved... Fellow Researcher, Bruce A. Perreault >From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 8 10:14:52 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id JAA20952; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 09:58:54 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 09:58:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3259D387.63B1@cyberportal.net> Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 00:07:35 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: (no subject) References: <199610081617.MAA14846@cyberport.cyberportal.net> <3259CD9C. 1798@cyberportal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OlE2p2.0.C75.1XeMo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/252 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Response to fellow researchers, Dennis C. Lee wrote: Hi Bruce; I found the xenon flash tube switching idea on your circuit fascinating. Can these tubes switch the required 1000 - 2000 Amps/uS for the primary of a tesla coil? Regards; Dennis C. Lee A. The tube circuit was not designed to power Tesla coils. I use a differentciruit now for the radiant energy tube. I am hoping to have the circuit scanned soon so that I can send it to fellow researchers. Sorry for the attitude I popped the other day. I thought you were Dennis M. Lee. Warm regards, Bruce A. Perreault >From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 8 10:48:08 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id KAA28942; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 10:31:11 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 10:31:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3259D3C0.619C@cyberportal.net> Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 00:08:32 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: (no subject) References: <199610081619.MAA14949@cyberport.cyberportal.net> <3259CDD7. 2200@cyberportal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZAA792.0.347.T_eMo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/254 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Bruce A. Perreault wrote: > > Mail Delivery Subsystem wrote: > > > > The original message was received at Tue, 8 Oct 1996 12:19:16 -0400 (EDT ) > > from bruceperreault.cyberportal.net [204.97.235.86] > > > > ----- The following addresses have delivery notifications ----- > > (unrecoverable error) > > > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > > ... while talking to mail.eskimo.com.: > > >>> RCPT To: > > <<< 550 ... User unknown > > 550 ... User unknown > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Reporting-MTA: dns; cyberport.cyberportal.net > > Received-From-MTA: DNS; bruceperreault.cyberportal.net > > Arrival-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 12:19:16 -0400 (EDT) > > > > Final-Recipient: RFC822; freenrg-1@eskimo.com > > Action: failed > > Status: 5.2.0 > > Remote-MTA: DNS; mail.eskimo.com > > Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 ... User unknown > > Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 12:19:20 -0400 (EDT) > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Subject: Re: experiments > > Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 23:31:48 -0400 > > From: "Bruce A. Perreault" > > Organization: Nu Energy Horizons > > To: freenrg-1@eskimo.com > > References: <3259A9A1.22C6@cyberportal.net> <3259AA36.7802@cyberportal. net> > > To: All I began experimenting early this morning. I have found the power source of the Hendershot device. Read page #41 "FROM THE ARCHIVES OF LESTER J. HENDERSHOT." Paragraphs 4-6. It is really simple when you look at for what it. The Hendershot device is powered by two electrolytic cells! One element is iron, the other aluminum. In this case the consumed element is iron. The oxide layer on the aluminum foil acts as a depolorizer. The Hendershot circuit converts the direct current from the electrolytic cells into 220 volts, 60Hz. There you have it, mystery solved... Fellow Researcher, Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 18 03:26:48 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id DAA07767; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 03:26:15 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 03:26:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610181025.UAA01315@tornado.netspace.net.au> To: "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" Subject: Nuclear Batteries Date: Fri, 18 Oct 96 20:47:36 -0500 From: Ossie Callanan X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03 Resent-Message-ID: <"PeQ221.0.Fv1.5jrPo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/310 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: -- [ From: Ossie Callanan * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- To all, The previous paper I sent you was written by an inventor named Paul Brown. He has patented a device called a nuclear resonance generator. The following write up was extracted from http://www.primenet.com/~shanaha/ They also have the complete patent in jpegs... Regards, Ossie Callanan Nuclear Resonance Generators The Nuclear Resonance Generator, also known as a nuclear battery, was patented in 1989 by Paul Brown. It produces electricity when the alpha and beta particles from radioactive materials hit a copper coil. When the radioactive particles hit the electrons, they knock the electrons away from the atoms, kind of like playing marbles. These electrons can then be directed down the wire to create an electrical current. One the size of a small kitchen trash can will produce around 100 kilowatts of electricity. This is something that can be used to clean up the nuclear waste and make plenty of low cost energy. For the patent information and some articles on the battery, click the links to the scanned images below. There are a few arguments against this device, but those don't make much sense. The first argument is that there wouldn't be any public approval for the use of the device. But everyone that I have talked to likes the idea of cleaning up nuclear waste and creating extra electricity at the same time. The second argument is that people can't be trusted to own radioactive materials and that the liscensing for the materials would cost too much. The nuclear battery does not have to be sold to the general public. It could make a good energy source for neighborhoods and cities. Private companies could buy them and use them for their own low cost energy. The last argument that I have heard is that when the battery runs low on its energy output the battery will still have waste left to be disposed of normally. What Hazmat article really said was that when the battery is not working as effectively, most of the nuclear waste has decayed into other harmless elements. Anything left that is still radioactive can be reprocessed into another battery to extend the life of the new battery. There are no reasons not to use these batteries. Print out the information and send it to other people. This is also something to do with all that radioactive material in the the nuclear weapons that we are supposed to be cutting down on. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 18 06:45:57 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id GAA10981; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 06:43:47 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 06:43:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 08:47:45 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19961018084816.0f375cda@pop.mymail.net> X-Sender: sunbrite@pop.mymail.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: MICHAEL C SLIVINSKI Subject: Re: Perreault Tube Device Part 2/2 Resent-Message-ID: <"I7EG72.0.Uh2.HcuPo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/311 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: When several breakthroughs come to be verified and proven, is there a Hall of fame or Honorable Mention Site that is available for Acknowledge some/all of these contribution that Hard inventors/reseachers have developed. Probaly need a comittee, which Might be as much work as the reason it was set up?? Thanks Mike S. At 08:09 PM 10/18/96 -0500, you wrote: >-- [ From: Ossie Callanan * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- > >SUMMARY OF THE INVENTION > >Thus in accordance with the present invention, there is provided a method of >utilizing ionized particles for the generation of efficient electrical >energy. > >In the present invention, new and novel improvements are apparent. The need >for an enormous collector surface no longer exists. Transistors can now >replace the outdated spark gap and or high vacuum transmission tubes. The >present invention efficiently converts ionizing energy to voltages suitable >for practical usage. > >A source of X-ray energy is provided by the present invention. This source >can be artificially generated and will not produce toxic radioisotopes. > >Converted energy in the present invention may be directly available for >driving motors, lighting, production of heat and used in electrochemistry. > >The method of the invention includes, means for exposing a REACTIVE GAS, >such >as CHLORINE to a source of ionizing energy. > >Other objects and advantages of the present invention will become apparent >from the following description of the preferred embodiment of the present >invention, with references to the attached drawings, in which: > > Fig. 1 is a block diagram of the present invention; > > Fig. 2 is a diagram showing the present invention being exposed to a >source > of ionizing energy of extreme voltage and of short duration. >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-- >DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF THE PREFERRED EMBODIMENTS > >Thus in accordance with the present invention, there is provided a radiant >energy converter comprising a first metallic electrode made of ZINC METAL >and >a second metallic electrode made of IRON SULFIDE nested parallel to the >first >electrode. > >A number of electrode couples may be used and still not depart from the >spirit >of this invention. The inter-electrode spacing contains the reactive gas >CHLORINE. A number of gasses MAY BE USED and still not depart from the >spirit >of this invention. Means are also provided, at the end of the electrodes, >to >provide external electrical leads from the electrodes to a load circuit. > >The method to generate electrical energy also includes, with a device just >described, means for exposing the internal reactive gas to a radiant energy >source of sufficient strength. > >The conversion of radiant energy to useful electrical energy is apparent. >The >small solid-state components of this apparatus make it a practical compact >unit. An electronic circuit effects energy absorption. > >The electronegative electrode may contain oxygen gas in the form of a solid. >Manganese dioxide may be used for this purpose. The electropositive >electrode >may contain hydrogen gas in the form of a solid. Lithium hydride may be >used >for this purpose. > >The gasses react when the inter-electrode spacing of these electrodes is >subjected to radiant energy pulses. The gasses become SUPER CONDUCTIVE. >This >causes the oxygen and hydrogen gasses to react chemically with minute energy >loss. Chemical energy is now converted to electrical energy with extreme >efficiency. Furthermore, an electrical transformer can be utilized to >transform this electromotive energy to a usable voltage. > >Referring now to FIG. 1 of the drawings, > >(1) consists of a gas tight vessel. Provision is made for an inlet tube (2) >to introduce chlorine gas (3). Provision is made for iron sulfide electrode >(4) and zinc electrode (5). > >ANY NUMBER of electrode couples, or gas combinations may be utilized and >still >not depart from the spirit of this invention. A source of ionization (6) is >provided. > >The chlorine gas (3) must become ionized in order for it to bombard the >electrode (5). When the chlorine gas (3) is ionized it becomes a conductor, >its conductivity is a measure of its ionization. > >There are a number of ways to ionize the chlorine gas (3). X-ray energies >emitted from the sun will ionize the chlorine gas (3). Radioactive >materials >will ionize the chlorine gas (3). Pulsating high-voltage produced by an >electrical transformer will ionize the chlorine gas (3). > >Any number of ionizing sources may be utilized and still not depart from the >spirit of my invention. I stake my claim to the method of power generation. > >If an electronic ionizing source (6) is used, once started, the energy >produced by said invention will keep the electronic circuit energized. > >Initially the electronic circuit must be PRIMED by an outside power source >(7). When said invention begins generating electrical energy the external >source (7) IS NO LONGER NEEDED. A small rechargeable battery may be used as >the external source (7). Said invention will keep the external source (7) >fully charged. > >Greater amounts of energy can be stored in a compact manner than any >previously known electrochemical system. Furthermore, if radiant energy is >used as the ionizing source its energy is converted into electrical power. > >The voltage from said invention is very stable. The output can be varied >from >a non-pulsating, direct current, to a high frequency pulsating output. The >output pulsation rate is varied by the rate in which the electronic ionizing >source (6) pulsates. > >The pulsation rate of the ionizing source (6) is determined by its circuit >characteristics. These characteristics are well known in the engineering >field. Any number of known electronic circuits may be utilized for the >electronic ionizing source (6) and still not depart from the spirit of said >invention. If the ionizing source comes from radiant energy the pulse rate >is >a factor in the decay rate. > > * This invention may use a resistant FABRIC dielectric woven to serve as a > strong mechanical separator, at the same time sufficiently porous to > PERMIT CIRCULATION of the gasses between electrodes. Fabrics made of > borosilicate (PYREX) fibers are particularly suitable for this invention >. >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-- > >Figure 1 - Cold Fission generator layout > > (the left side of the diagram is off the page on my copy, but it appears > to be related to the transformer POWER TAP from the system via the > transformer and bridge rectifier) > _______ > Antenna==> \ / > \ / > ____________________________| > | | | > | | | > _____________ | ___|___ | > | | | | | | > | Prime | | |_____| | > | Source | | | | | > |___________| | | | | > | + plus | | | | > ------------------*----------------| | |<==Radiant | > ______|______ | | Energy | > | | | | Tube | > | Tube |__________ | | | > | Ionizer | | |_____| | > |___________| | | | | > | | |_____| | > | | | | > __________________| | | | > | | |__________|____ | > | ___|___ 250KV pulse | ___ | > | _____ | / | | > | ___ |____|/|____| > | _ | /| | | > ACin \ | / | > |------ | -----------/ | Variable | > / \ / \ _____________________| Capacitor | > __ / \ __| greater / / | > (+) \ / (-) turns * * <== few turns coil | > \ / coil ==>\ \_________________________________| > | bridge rect. / > |---------------------\ <=== Transformer > ACin > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-- > >Figure 2 - Construction diagram of the Radiant Energy Tube > > __ > chlorine gas __ | |<==iron center electrode > (2) Inlet tube===>| | | | > _|__|____| |_________ > || | | || <==fine sand or porous > PVC end cap==>||________| |________|| dielectric material > || | | || > || | | || <==(4) iron sulfide > ||________|__|________|| electrode > | | (iron pyrite) > | | > (1) PVC tube===>| | <==(3) chlorine gas > | | throughout > | | > | | > | | <==this space is FILLED > | | with FINE SAND or a > | | porous dielectric > | | material > | | > |____________________| > || | | || > || | | || <==(5) zinc electrode > PVC end cap==>||________| |________|| > || | | || > ||________| |________|| <==fine sand or porous > | | dielectric material > |---| | > | |__| <==iron center electrode > | > _____|_____ > | Tube | > (6)==>| Ionizer | > |_________| > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-- >Ionizer Circuit > >Pulse/Frequency Driver section - 120VAC version > > ____ 1N4006 _______ resistor > \______| |____________| \|__________| R1 |________________\ V+ > / | | | | /| | |_______| / > 120VAC | | | diode | > in | | __|__ __|__ (+) > \______| |__ / \ _____ 10uF > / |____| | /_____\1N4006 | (-) 350V R1 adjusts pulse > 1:2 xformer | | | repitition rate > voltage |______\ ____________| Start with 1K 15W, > doubler / | if flashtube does > | __|__ (+) not get hot, it is > | _____ 10uF OK to reduce R1 > | | (-) 350V > | | > |______________|____________________________\ GND > / > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-- >Pulse/Frequency Driver section - CMOS version > _________ +12VDC > _______| 4.7k ohm|____ | > | |_________| | _______| ______\ > | | |370uF | | / > | | __|__ 16V | | V+ > | | _____ | __|__ > | | \ (invert) | | \ (invert) | | / \ 1N4006 > |______| \/\________|______| \ /\____ | | /___\ > | | /\/ | / \/ | | _|___ | > | | / | / _|_ | | |__| > | CD4584 CD4584 | | | |xform|Allegro > | | | | | |Cor2 or Cor3 > ___|___ 1.5k | | | |_____|_____ > _____ resistor|___| | | | > _ | | _| | > | | / | > |___/ \_|/ TIP 31A | > | |\ heat sinked | > | V__ | > | | | > | | | > |________ \ ______|__/GND > / \ > ___|___ > ___ > _ > >In an additional phone conversation with Bruce on Friday, December 15th, he >said the pulses were very sharp spikes and occurred 20 times per second. >This >is based on a comment by Henry Moray in his book "The Sea of Energy". These >spikes are necessary to maintain the fission reaction. >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-- >High Voltage section > ___ Ultra > | |----> High > | | Voltage > \_______________________________________________| | Output > / | | trigger | | | > _|_ 4.7M ohms _|_ xformer__ | | |<==auto ignition > | |<=resistor | | | |\ | |___| coil > | | | | | | \ | | > |_| resistor=>|_| | | \| | > _______| 1M ohms |---------|___| |\ 4kv | > | | | | | \ out | > | _|_ __|__ | | \ _|_ > | / * \ NE-2 _____ SCR _|_a | \|_| xenon > | \_*_/ neon .1uF| 4A / \ __|__(+) | | flash-tube > __|__ | tube 250V| /\___/ _____ |*| > _____ | | / g | c |22uF |_| > | .1uF |______________ \ __/ 400V | |350V | > | 600V / | | | > \__|_____________________|___________|_______|________| > / ground | > __|__ earth or > / / / house wiring > ground >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-- > >December 16th, 1988 - Bruce A. Perrault > > _________________________________________________________ > ____|___|______|_____ | _____|______|___|____ > Copper |___|______|__________________|________________|______|___| Zinc > Rod | | | Rod > |_|_| > A.C. > > * I have found it advantageous to introduce CHLORINE GAS to the tube. A > high voltage electrostatic field renders the tube CONDUCTIVE. When the > tube becomes conductive, it PRODUCES ENERGY. -- November 20th, 1992 >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-- > >CONSTRUCTION DETAILS > >Radiant Energy tube Ionizer > >Assemble as shown in the circuit diagrams. The auto ignition coil as a >transformer and choke. A choke will store energy in its windings as a >capacitor does. > >In this device the ignition coil absorbs energy when a xenon flash-lamp is >triggered into conduction. The flash-lamp behaves like an open circuit with >infinite resistance until it is triggered. The flash-lamp is triggered by >way >of a small, lightweight transformer that supplies a 4,000 volt pulse to the >lamp. This pulse is capacitively coupled to the xenon gas inside the lamp. >This pulse initiates lamp conduction. The xenon, once ionized by the 4KV >pulse, suddenly behaves like a switch of only a fraction of an ohm. This >allows the coil to energize. > >When the 4KV is removed the flash-lamp returns to its infinite resistance >state, it is again an open switch. Energy that is stored in the ignition >coils primary windings discharge across the lamp. This results in a moving >magnetic field that induces a series of high voltage surges from the >secondary >windings of the coil. > >This is an electronic device that generates AT LEAST 250,000 volts. DO NOT >HANDLE this device unless you are familiar with high-voltage safety >precautions. This device is POTENTIALLY dangerous. >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-- >Radiant Energy Tube > >Dimensions of these tubes are NOT critical. However, you must PACK DOWN the >powders HARD. > >I have found that raw iron pyrite ORE serves well as the collector (anode) >of >energy in these tubes. Platinum and Palladium absorb MORE energy but they >are >too expensive. Iron pyrite ore works quite well and is inexpensive when >bought in bulk. Pure zinc metal serves well as the emitter (cathode) >material. Magnesium will work better but it is UNSTABLE and probably will >explode. Do not use magnesium metal as your emitter material. Lithium >Hydride as the emitter material will work best but it is expensive. > >Chlorine gas is added to the tubes LAST. You must make the tubes AIR-TIGHT. >All the air must be sucked out before the chlorine gas is introduced. This >vacuum is not critical. The chlorine gas is now allowed to fill the vacuum >tube. Ambient pressure is fine. Make sure the tubes are SEALED WELL. > >You can buy bottled chlorine gas but be prepared to go through bureaucratic >red tape. To avoid this hassle you must generate this gas yourself. >Calcium >Hypochlorite (swimming pool chlorinator) will release chlorine gas when >water >is added to it. Make sure that you are working in a well-ventilated area >when >generating this gas. > >Chlorine gas can accumulate in your lungs forming hydrochloric acid. This >would cause SERIOUS lung damage. Severe exposure could BE FATAL. So take >the >proper precautions and respect this material. You must contain the Calcium >Hypochlorite in a closed vessel. This vessel must have a valve and small >diameter rubber delivery hose that connects to the tubes. > >I have used pvc-tubing as my containing vessel. Make sure that you have a >pressure gage built into your gas generating container. Pvc-tubing should >not >exceed 100PSI of pressure. This is the limit established by the >manufacturers >of pvc-tubing. >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-- >Priming your Radiant Energy Converter > >You may prime this device a number of ways. You can use a 110 volt to 220 >volt step-up transformer supplied by a 110 volt wall outlet, or you can >build >the 12 volt DC inverter circuit and power it with a car battery. You may >even >prime the circuit with static electricity. >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-- >Replacing the Radiant Energy tubes > >How long will the tubes last? This will depend on the type of emitter >material used. A new shot of chlorine gas MAY bring them back to life. >There >is no doubt in my mind that one of you will find better materials to >lengthen >the life of the tubes. There are materials that I would like to try but >finances have not permitted this at this time. > >Hopefully there will be enough interest in this power generator so that I >may >continue my research with the device. I am confident that the tubes could >be >made to last a long time before needing to be replaced. >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-- >Sources for Construction Materials > >PVC-tubing, sealant, fittings, nuts and bolts > > These materials may be obtained from your local hardware store. > >Chlorine gas source may be obtained from Calcium Hypochlorite > > This material may be purchased from your local hardware or swimming >pool > supply stores. Ask for a chlorinator for swimming pools. > >Ignition Coil > > Can be bought at any automotive parts store. > >Electronic parts > > They can be bought from your local Radio Shack. > >Cathode and anode materials, vacuum-pump and gage, radiant energy tube >ionizer > > These items can be purchased from: > > Nu Energy Horizons > Route 175, Box 445 > Campton, NH 03223 > > Cathode material consists of 99.9% pure - 100 mesh zinc metal. > $11.95 per 1/2 lb. Stock #chemzn > > Anode material consists of raw iron pyrite ore > $14.95 per 1 lb. Stock #chemfiss > > Corrosion Resistant Vacuum/Pressure Pump > $99.00 20" Hg max. vacuum -- 18 PSI max pressure Stock #dpump > > 3" Compound Vacuum/Pressure Gage > $39.95 Range 30" Hg vacuum to 30 PSI for air and gases Stock #dgage > > Completely assemble RADIANT ENERGY tube ionizer > $149.95 Stock #degi >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-- > * Bulk orders are available > > ** Kits may be offered at a later date. If you would like to be informed > when kits are offered, please send a postcard with your name and >address > to the Nu Energy Horizons address above. >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-- >If you choose to experiment with this device, please; > > 1) Be careful > 2) Share your results with others > 3) Inform Bruce Perrault of your progress at the Nu Horizons address > > Thanks! >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-- > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 18 07:30:38 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id HAA22173 for bilb@eskimo.com; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 07:30:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 07:30:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Envelope-From: MMcCoy@micro.honeywell.com Fri Oct 18 07:30:35 1996 Received: from il50hpm1.micro.honeywell.com (il50hpm1.micro.honeywell.com [129.30.70.162]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA22148 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 07:30:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from po2.il50.micro.honeywell.com by il50hpm1.micro.honeywell.com with SMTP (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA13553; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 09:36:11 -0500 Received: from Microsoft Mail (PU Serial #1650) by smtpmail.micro.honeywell.com (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.8d for Windows NT(tm)) id AA-1996Oct18.093459.1650.346747; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 09:36:28 GMT From: MMcCoy@micro.honeywell.com (McCoy, Mark) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com ('freenrg-l') Message-Id: <1996Oct18.093459.1650.346747@smtpmail.micro.honeywell.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail via PostalUnion/SMTP for Windows NT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Old-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 09:36:28 GMT Subject: Perreault Tube Device Safety X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list X-Envelope-To: freenrg-l Status: RO X-Status: Greetings everyone! I have followed with some concern all of the postings regarding construction of the Perreault Tube Device because of some of the materials that are prescribed. I am by profession a Safety Engineer and Industrial Hygienist, Board certified in the comprehensive practice of both disciplines, and I would like to offer to answer any questions that any of you have regarding the safe use and handling of these dangerous materials. Chlorine gas is not produced easily, and can be poisonous in concentrations of a few parts per million. Lithium Hydride is extremely reactive and pyrophoric and can be a tremendous fire hazard if handled improperly. As far as radiation goes, chromosomes cannot tell whether or not a photon came from natural or processed radioactive materials. Radiation is radiation, and one needs to know how much of what kind is around to be able to work safely with it. Keep in mind how many pioneering researchers have inadvertently given their lives for their research. A tremendous understanding of physics can only be complemented by a moderate understanding of physiology, toxicology, chemistry and good old-fashioned horse sense. I'll be happy to help anyone keep from hurting themselves, just drop me a line. Also remember the old Doctor's Credo: "If it looks infected, it probably is." That applies to lots of things besides cuts. Success to everyone! Mark McCoy mmccoy@micro.honeywell.com (972) 470-4462 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 18 12:15:50 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id MAA06880; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 12:10:56 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 12:10:56 -0700 (PDT) From: MMcCoy@micro.honeywell.com (McCoy, Mark) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com ('freenrg-l') Message-Id: <1996Oct18.141453.1650.347458@smtpmail.micro.honeywell.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail via PostalUnion/SMTP for Windows NT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 14:16:34 GMT Subject: FW: Perreault Tube Device Safety Resent-Message-ID: <"MnljG2.0.Jh1.-OzPo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/312 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Greetings everyone! I have followed with some concern all of the postings regarding construction of the Perreault Tube Device because of some of the materials that are prescribed. I am by profession a Safety Engineer and Industrial Hygienist, Board certified in the comprehensive practice of both disciplines, and I would like to offer to answer any questions that any of you have regarding the safe use and handling of these dangerous materials. Chlorine gas is not produced easily, and can be poisonous in concentrations of a few parts per million. Lithium Hydride is extremely reactive and pyrophoric and can be a tremendous fire hazard if handled improperly. As far as radiation goes, chromosomes cannot tell whether or not a photon came from natural or processed radioactive materials. Radiation is radiation, and one needs to know how much of what kind is around to be able to work safely with it. Keep in mind how many pioneering researchers have inadvertently given their lives for their research. A tremendous understanding of physics can only be complemented by at least a moderate understanding of physiology, toxicology, chemistry and good old-fashioned horse sense. I'll be happy to help anyone keep from hurting themselves, just drop me a line. Also remember the old Doctor's Credo: "If it looks infected, it probably is." That applies to lots of things besides cuts. Success to everyone! Mark McCoy mmccoy@micro.honeywell.com (972) 470-4462 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 18 13:40:50 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id NAA25708; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 13:27:59 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 13:27:59 -0700 (PDT) X400-Received: by mta bnr.ca in /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 14:07:21 -0400 X400-Received: by /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 14:00:33 -0400 X400-Received: by /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 13:55:00 -0400 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 13:55:00 -0400 X400-Originator: /dd.id=1034651/g=gene/i=g/s=batten/@bnr.ca X400-MTS-Identifier: [/PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/;bcars735.b.497:18.09.96.18.00.33] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Run Gasoline ... From: "gene (g.) batten" Sender: "gene (g.) batten" Message-ID: <"6621 Fri Oct 18 14:00:49 1996"@bnr.ca> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Run Gasoline engine on Brown's Gas? Resent-Message-ID: <"OxIwT1.0.aH6.DX-Po"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/313 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Has anyone been doing any research with Brown's Gas. I am interested in running a small gasoline engine on Brown's Gas. I have a small 200 liter/hr Brown's Gas generator. I have been successful in getting an 8 hp Briggs and Stratton engine to run on Brown's Gas for about 15 seconds, after which I run out of the little bit of stored BGas in the generator. I really need a larger BGas generator. I would like to hear from others who have experience or knowledge with this. Gene Batten mdleb@nortel.ca From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 18 13:53:26 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id NAA28515; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 13:37:35 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 13:37:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 22:35:53 +0200 Message-Id: <199610182035.WAA19581@atom.bbtt.com> X-Sender: harti@bbtt.de (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@bbtt.de (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Theoretical work for Ecklin converter done ! Resent-Message-ID: <"Y8VXF3.0.Mz6.Dg-Po"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/314 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi, one of my friends just has completed the THEORETICAL work on the Ecklin magnetic Flux-Converter. He has build a computer program to compute all the parameters via mathematical "Differenzial-Gleichungen", so he can now predict, what is going on in this machine, when he alters any parameters. We will now experiment with his new program to find the optimum parameters and then will try to build such an Ecklin magnetic flux converter. Please let me know, if you are interested in the results. He will also publish his findings soon on my WEB-site: www.overunity.de Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany NEUE Nummern : Tel: ++ 4930-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 4930-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.de harti@bbtt.de Web site: http://www.harti.de Webmaster of: http://www.detours.de Have a look at the future: http://www.overunity.de My favourite ladies on the WEB: http://www.nylon-fetish.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 18 13:59:34 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id NAA29331; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 13:40:38 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 13:40:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3267E90C.20A9@cyberportal.net> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 16:31:08 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: FW: Perreault Tube Device Safety References: <1996Oct18.141453.1650.347458@smtpmail.micro.honeywell.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rLCoR.0.CA7.4j-Po"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/315 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: McCoy, Mark wrote: > > Greetings everyone! > > I have followed with some concern all of the postings regarding construction > > of the Perreault Tube Device because of some of the materials that are > prescribed. > > I am by profession a Safety Engineer and Industrial Hygienist, Board > certified in the comprehensive practice of both disciplines, and I would > like to offer to answer any questions that any of you have regarding the > safe use and handling of these dangerous materials. > > Chlorine gas is not produced easily, and can be poisonous in concentrations > of a few parts per million. > > Bruce A. Perreault writes: > > I agree with this statement. I suggest that you do not experiment with chlorine > gas. The output of these tubes are small. It is not worth the risks. > > McCoy, Mark wrote: > > Lithium Hydride is extremely reactive and pyrophoric and can be a tremendous fire > > hazard if handled improperly. > > Bruce A. Perreault writes: > > I partially agree with this statement. I agree that lithium hydride is very > dangerous in large quantities. Small teaspoonful amounts is as dangerous as > sodium hydroxide (drano). The outputs from tubes containing lithium hydride is > much greater. However, it is a waste of time building a tube with lithium hydride. > I suggest that you do not use lithium hydride in your experiments with the tubes. > >McCoy, Mark wrote: >As far as radiation goes, chromosomes cannot tell whether or not a photon came >from natural or processed radioactive materials. Radiation is radiation, and one >needs to know how much of what kind is around to be able to work safely with it. > >Bruce A. Perreault writes: > >I strongly disagree with this statement. Natural radiation does undergoe a "chain >reaction." In a chain-reaction radiation is scattered and unnaturally scattered >everywhere like trillions apon trillions of tiny little speeding bullets that can >and will break up DNA. This reaction can only happens as a result of an atomic bomb >being exploded!, or in a controlled nuclear chain reaction. > >McCoy, Mark writes: >Keep in mind how many pioneering researchers have inadvertently given their >lives for their research. A tremendous understanding of physics can only be >complemented by at least a moderate understanding of physiology, toxicology, >chemistry and good old-fashioned horse sense. > >Bruce A. Perreault writes: > >Mark McCoy, are you refering to the Curies? Because they are prime examples of >people who handled a whole bunch of natural radiation. Your modern text books >say that they died from the radiation that they experimented with. This is totally >untrue, a blatant lie! If you can find pre-atomic bomb era books you will find >that the Curies lived long, healthy, productive lives. Oh yes, what about Nickola >Tesla? I suspect that todays radiation toxcity is due to its inheriant nature. > >McCoy, Mark writes: >I'll be happy to help anyone keep from hurting themselves, just drop me a >line. Also remember the old Doctor's Credo: "If it looks infected, it >probably is." That applies to lots of things besides cuts. > >Bruce A. Perreault writes: > >Thank you Mark McCoy, for reminding us of the government threat against its >own people. You will keep us from hurting ourselves if you get your way. >By putting us all behind bars. > Marks McCoy's address, think about it: > Mark McCoy > mmccoy@micro.honeywell.com > (972) 470-4462 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 18 14:10:45 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id NAA03296; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 13:56:00 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 13:56:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3267EC8F.4494@cyberportal.net> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 16:46:07 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Uranium Ore? References: <199610141253.WAA09668@tornado.netspace.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"i7zrt.0.Lp.Sx-Po"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/316 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Ossie Callanan wrote: > > Bruce, > > I am a private researcher and have tried in the past, to duplicate your > radiant energy tube using chlorine gas from the information in the Keelynet > file. I had no success. > > A. Read my latest response to Mark McCoy... > > I have read, from your Moray web page, that Uranium ore is used and it will > be required for your kit tube that you will be selling. > > A. Uranium ore is required if you want to generate usable amounts of power. > You will have to find your own ore. I was thinking about selling the ore > for people to make their own "tintures." At this point I do not want to > take the chance of being put into a Federal prison. The "McCoy's" of the > world will in great force will try to find a way to have me locked away. > By freeing ourselves they lose their control over us. We become their > "terrorists." > > Is this essentially required for the tube to work? and did you leave that > out from the Keelynet file? If so, how is it placed in the tube. > >A. Yes! >I would assume that it is mixed in with the mechanical seperating aggregate (sand, > pyrex). Also, Moray's device is always mentioned as needing an ariel to pick up the > radiant energy but I have some information that says he later succeeded in removing this making the device more compact. Is this true and does your device also need an ariel to function. > >A. I will tell all real soon. Hopefully I will not get myself killed before the >information is out. The rats are coming out of the corn fields... > >Ossie writes: > (The following theory I have sent to people requesting information on my SAP > Tube) > > >You also may get to the point where you have the correct type of tube and > can ionise it and the gas plasma does flow correctly. The key here is to > have the correct circuit and the minimum current flow required, for the type > of gas you are using and the tube dimensions, to allow the tube to become > self sustaining. > > > >Current flow: > > > >The first thing that must be understood is that when the tube starts to > produce energy, it produces current flow in the SAME direction as the > ionising current source. All currents are DC. There are no AC currents > anywhere in the primary cct.. When a DC ionising source of sufficient > current is applied and the gas ionises and begins self accelleration, the > resistance of the tube will actually go negative. It will appear to your > ionising current source like a short cct. but the tube actually starts > generating current in the same direction. It is at this point that the cct. > your tube is placed in becomes critical. This will allow your ionising > source to be removed and allow the energy generated by the tube to be fed to > the load but not let the current flow through the tube fall below the amount > required for self accelleration, or an incorrect firing will take place and > the tube will simply appear to blink. > > > >This same action occurs at random within arcs where excess energy has been > measured but the process cannot be sustained without a mechanism for the > control of your plasma flow (SAP Tube) and the correct cct. to control and > switching and the current flow. > > > >Circuit: > > > >Although in description DC current flows are explained, a purely DC > switching cct. is difficult to make because to switch between the ionising > current source to the load without letting the current flow drop is > impossible. Also if you have the load in parallel with the tube you will not > be able to ionise the gas with sufficient current flow to allow self > accelleration. > > > >The best cct. arrangment for the tube is an AC circuit. Yes AC, but > understand that it will look like a resonant AC cct., but only pulsed DC > current will be flowing in the tube itself. > > > >All that is required is a tank cct. to be placed in parallel with the tube. > The inductor of the tank cct. will be the primary of a transformer of which > the secondary will feed pure AC to your load or this can be rectified and DC > can be fed to your load. The capacitor of your tank cct. should be variable > as it will adjust the resonant frequency of your tube. > > > >Now, you must fire your tube into action with an ionising DC current pulse > of frequency higher than that of the tubes resonant cct.. Once the tube has > fired and produces its own energy, its own current flow will settle into the > decay rate of the tank cct. and power the load through the transformer. > > > >Things to be aware of: > > > >- Current flow in the tank cct. must not fall below the minimum required > for self acceleration. This will be determined by the impedance of the tank cct. > > > >- Transformer core must allow DC saturation. ie, have low historesis. > > > >- Ionising current pulse must be a high frequency high current DC pulse to > prevent the tank cct. from absorbing the current. Ionising current must be > greater than the minimum required for self acceleration. > > > >- Beware of impedance reflection from the load preventing enough current > flow to take place in the primary. > > > >- Minimum current requirement for self acceleration is determined by tube > dimensions, magnet field strength and gas type or gas mixture. > > > >I believe, although tube contructions and workings may be different, the > cct. requirement I have described above may apply in theory to both T. Henry > Moray and Bruce Perrault's radiant energy devices. Information on both of > those devices can be obtained from Keelynet at http//www.keelynet.com. > > > > I would deeply appreciate your response and comments. > > P.S. I have not succeeded in getting the SAP Tube to work and remain > frustrated but committed to learning the process' needed. I am sure you have > been through this in the past. > > Sincerely, > > Ossie Callanan > >Bruce responds: > I am hoping to clear these things up soon. >Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 18 14:27:49 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id OAA05567; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 14:05:52 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 14:05:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3267ED95.6CBC@cyberportal.net> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 16:50:29 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: hendershot coil References: <199610161449.HAA09525@claim.goldrush.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"a44Ml1.0.lM1.54_Po"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/317 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: wesly crosiar wrote: > > >Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 18:01:10 > >To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > >From: wesly crosiar > >Subject: hendershot coil > > > > TO ALL: > > I rewound the hendershot cell, wetting the seperator with electrolytic > solution left over from the microwave capacitor. I then peeled back the > layer of plastic on the capacitor, so the aluminum would make direct contact > with the now wet seperator. I then rewound the cell. After completing the > cell I then proceded to test the cell, The reading I got was as high as 30 > millivolts after letting the capacitor charge up, when I took the reading > from the two ends of the exposed capacitor, the voltage dropped from 30 to > 40 millivolts to one tenth of a millivolt steady. I then measured the > voltage between the can and the capacitor and got a reading of eight tenths > of a millivolt stedy. To those of you who get higher readings without your > meter hooked to anything, keep in mind that I don't live near any power that > can affect my readings. I'm sure that I must be doing something wrong. Maybe > the capacitor acts as a 60 cycle resonant antenna, which would mean that the > length and width of the capacitor is very important. > > HOW IS THAT ADAMS MOTOR PROGRESSING? > > > > I also completed the don smith device, the feedback system works,kinduv. > after starting it up with a battery that read 12.6 volts, we then ran it for > thirty to fourty minutes. The battery charged consistently at over thirteen > volts, with the highest reading about 13.78, after we finished the voltage > read 12.56 and slowly climbed to 12.74. That finished the testing for that > day. A couple of weeks later I set it up again, this time using a three > amphour, 12 volt lead acid gel cell. We started with a fully charged battery > which read 12.9. When we turned it on and adjusted the sparkgap. The > feedback went up to thirty to fourty volts. We then adjusted the sparkgap so > the charging rate was 13.8 or so after running for ten minutes or so we shut > off and measured the stand voltage, which now had dropped to 12.8. We then > set the feedback for maximum and let it charge at 40 to 50 volts. I'm not > sure exactly, I was afraid to get that close to the battery. After another > five minutes or so we shut it off and tested it again, the voltage had > dropped another tenth. We kept repeating and the voltage kept dropping, even > though the feedback showed it was charging. I have not tested the output > yet, because we are so far out of resonance. In a week or so when I finish > some other things, We will tune it for resonance, which requires an > oscilliscope which is tied up testing another project of mine. > > Does anybody know where I can get enough radium to coat both sides of a > business card. I don't need very much? > > > crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM THANKS WES > WESLEY CROSIAR > PO BOX 268 > SAN ANDREAS, CA. 95249 > > Bruce A. Perreault writes: > > It occured to me that I am getting more power from the Hendershot > cell because of my ore samples in the workshop! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 18 14:49:30 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id OAA09356; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 14:19:10 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 14:19:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3267F1D7.2E9F@cyberportal.net> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 17:08:39 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: radioactive supplies Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mVCXK1.0.5I2.CH_Po"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/318 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Smoke detectors will not supply enough radiation to power a fly. Welch mantles are even less active. Polonium static dust removers have twice the activity of smoke detectors but here again activity is still too low. Get yourself a good militery surplus detector. Research areas where radioactive ore has been mined in the past. Closed mines will be stripped from this price-less energy source. However, you may find enough "tailings" to supply you with a life-time of energy! May be you will even find undiscovered ore. If you do keep it a secret. Bruce A. Perreault new fresh areas that have not been strip mined. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 18 14:51:31 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id OAA12560; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 14:29:56 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 14:29:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 14:29:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610182129.OAA16584@claim.goldrush.com> X-Sender: crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wesly crosiar Subject: Re: FW: Perreault Tube Device Safety Resent-Message-ID: <"ERZ7H2.0.443.IR_Po"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/319 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 02:16 PM 10/18/96 GMT, you wrote: > >Greetings everyone! > >I have followed with some concern all of the postings regarding construction > >of the Perreault Tube Device because of some of the materials that are >prescribed. > >I am by profession a Safety Engineer and Industrial Hygienist, Board >certified in the comprehensive practice of both disciplines, and I would >like to offer to answer any questions that any of you have regarding the >safe use and handling of these dangerous materials. > >Mark: A few months back when I posted how these defferent devices worked I thought nobody was paying attention, apparently it was a slow burnign fuse, kinduv popped the cork on zpe. The one I didn't mention was the swiss ml machine, it also has a [SECRET] tube which is electrostaticly pulsed. The way I came to the conclusion that these devices worked from the nuclear decay of radium, is that I was working on replicating some of these devices, assuming that they were lcr tank circuits with antennas set for resonance of 60 cycles to tap pg&e, I found this was not so, All I could get was milliamps. By the process of elimination I discovered that radium was the source of power. The only reason I am interested in testing one of these devices now is that I believe that the radioactive decay can be shortened from hundreds of years to a few months, after which time the radioactive material [MAY] be rendered harmless. Which could save millions of lives, if not billions. I am interested in the safe handling of radium chloride in pariticular, because uranium was used by some of the researchers and they used radium because it produced better results. The project I have in mind probably uses one tenth of one m/l at 50 microcurrie. Any safty precautions you can give me would be appreciated. crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM THANKS WES WESLEY CROSIAR PO BOX 268 SAN ANDREAS, CA. 95249 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 18 15:24:16 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id PAA21610; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 15:04:30 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 15:04:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <32686E98.5F54@netcomuk.co.uk> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 23:00:56 -0700 From: Rob King X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-NC260 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Theoretical work for Ecklin converter done ! References: <199610182035.WAA19581@atom.bbtt.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"sGqJj2.0.YH5.6v_Po"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/320 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Stefan Hartmann wrote: > one of my friends just has completed the THEORETICAL work on > the Ecklin magnetic Flux-Converter. > > He has build a computer program to compute all the parameters > via mathematical "Differenzial-Gleichungen", so he can now > predict, what is going on in this machine, when he alters > any parameters. > > We will now experiment with his new program to find the optimum > parameters and then will try to build such an Ecklin magnetic flux > converter. > > Please let me know, if you are interested in the results. Yes, I would be very interested. It may be relevant to the Robert Adams device. please can you post the deatils to this list. Cheers Rob King From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 18 15:42:35 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id PAA24875; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 15:16:24 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 15:16:24 -0700 (PDT) From: MMcCoy@micro.honeywell.com (McCoy, Mark) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com ('freenrg-l') Message-Id: <1996Oct18.171300.1650.347943@smtpmail.micro.honeywell.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail via PostalUnion/SMTP for Windows NT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 17:21:33 GMT Subject: FW: FW: Perreault Tube Device Safety Resent-Message-ID: <"JCXmc.0.Y46.t60Qo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/321 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Woah! Gross Misinterpretation Alert Here!! Please allow me to explain my opinion about some of the issues Mr. Perreault has raised. I have snipped generously here and there to lighten the load a little. ---------- > Lithium Hydride is extremely reactive and pyrophoric and can be a tremendous fire > > hazard if handled improperly. > > Bruce A. Perreault writes: > > I partially agree with this statement. I agree that lithium hydride is very > dangerous in large quantities. Small teaspoonful amounts is as dangerous as > sodium hydroxide (drano). Regardless of the mass amount, the size of the particle and the humidity of the air determine the pyrophoricity of the solid. Finely divided powder used in a humid atmosphere will spontaneously combust. A large chunk probably wouldn't. > >McCoy, Mark wrote: >As far as radiation goes, chromosomes cannot tell whether or not a photon came >from natural or processed radioactive materials. Radiation is radiation, and one >needs to know how much of what kind is around to be able to work safely with it. > >Bruce A. Perreault writes: > >I strongly disagree with this statement. Natural radiation does undergoe a "chain >reaction." In a chain-reaction radiation is scattered and unnaturally scattered >everywhere like trillions apon trillions of tiny little speeding bullets that can >and will break up DNA. This reaction can only happens as a result of an atomic bomb >being exploded!, or in a controlled nuclear chain reaction. > We are all allowed our opinion in this forum, I believe. My remarks were not an attack on yours. >McCoy, Mark writes: >Keep in mind how many pioneering researchers have inadvertently given their >lives for their research. A tremendous understanding of physics can only be >complemented by at least a moderate understanding of physiology, toxicology, >chemistry and good old-fashioned horse sense. > >Bruce A. Perreault writes: > >Mark McCoy, are you refering to the Curies? Because they are prime examples of >people who handled a whole bunch of natural radiation. Your modern text books >say that they died from the radiation that they experimented with. This is totally >untrue, a blatant lie! If you can find pre-atomic bomb era books you will find >that the Curies lived long, healthy, productive lives. Oh yes, what about Nickola >Tesla? I suspect that todays radiation toxcity is due to its inheriant nature. Actually, the Curies did come to mind, but so have a lot of other people. For example, the ladies that used to paint the radium paint on clock dials have suffered cancer rates far higher than normal. The lukemia rates among old chemistry professors are staggering because of their benzene exposures. In the 1800's, Chimney Sweeps in London suffered extremely high rates of scrotal cancer because of the PAH's in the soot and the fact that they didn't regularly bathe. My point here is that researchers who are focused on their specialty are not always aware of the dangers they face from associated but unobserved outcomes of their experiments. > >McCoy, Mark writes: >I'll be happy to help anyone keep from hurting themselves, just drop me a >line. Also remember the old Doctor's Credo: "If it looks infected, it >probably is." That applies to lots of things besides cuts. > >Bruce A. Perreault writes: > >Thank you Mark McCoy, for reminding us of the government threat against its >own people. You will keep us from hurting ourselves if you get your way. >By putting us all behind bars. I think that was a little overstated. First of all, I do not work for the government. Secondly, if I was interested in compelling everyone to do things my way, why on earth would I have anything to do with a bunch of "crackpots" chasing around the illusion of perpetual motion? The answer is, I don't think that way. I have developed a career for myself that allows me to help people who might not have a complete understanding so that they may avoid injury or illness, IF THEY CHOOSE TO DO SO. I resent the suggestion that my personal offer of help is somehow connected with a massive government conspiracy to eradicate free agency and moral responsibility and suppress free thinking. We may all yet wind up behind bars, but it won't be because of my personal efforts to put everyone there. Mr. Perreault, I wish you every success with your efforts. Please feel free to ignore any and all of my posts. Before you lash out with accusations and ridicule, get your facts straight. > Marks McCoy's address, think about it: Please do. No judgement here, just some information if you want it. > Mark McCoy > mmccoy@micro.honeywell.com > (972) 470-4462 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 18 17:08:16 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id RAA21884; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 17:04:10 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 17:04:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <32681ADF.3F82@cyberportal.net> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 20:03:43 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: FW: FW: Perreault Tube Device Safety References: <1996Oct18.171300.1650.347943@smtpmail.micro.honeywell.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"G8Y0x.0.iL5.th1Qo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/322 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > Regardless of the mass amount, the size of the particle and the humidity of > the air determine the pyrophoricity of the solid. Finely divided powder > used in a humid atmosphere will spontaneously combust. A large chunk > probably wouldn't. > Bruce responds: Hay for horses will also spontaneously combust... > > > McCoy, Mark writes: > Keep in mind how many pioneering researchers have inadvertently given their > lives for their research. A tremendous understanding of physics can only be > complemented by at least a moderate understanding of physiology, toxicology, > chemistry and good old-fashioned horse sense. > > Bruce A. Perreault writes: > > Mark McCoy, are you refering to the Curies? Because they are prime examples >of people who handled a whole bunch of natural radiation. Your modern text >books say that they died from the radiation that they experimented with. This is >totally untrue, a blatant lie! If you can find pre-atomic bomb era books you will >find that the Curies lived long, healthy, productive lives. Oh yes, what about >Nickola Tesla? I suspect that todays radiation toxcity is due to its inheriant >nature. > > Actually, the Curies did come to mind, but so have a lot of other people. > For example, the ladies that used to paint the radium paint on clock dials > have suffered cancer rates far higher than normal. The lukemia rates among > old chemistry professors are staggering because of their benzene exposures. > In the 1800's, Chimney Sweeps in London suffered extremely high rates of > scrotal cancer because of the PAH's in the soot and the fact that they > didn't regularly bathe. > >Bruce responds: If you eat toxic material your going to get sick or die. >If you were to eat radioactive ore (U3 O8) it will pass right through you'll >when you go to the bathroom. This oxide is not soluable in water. Ask Galen >Windsor, he has been touring the country eating the stuff for years, with no >ill effects. Eating radium chloride is another story... > >Bruce A. Perreault writes: > >Thank you Mark McCoy, for reminding us of the government threat against its >own people. You will keep us from hurting ourselves if you get your way. >By putting us all behind bars. > >I think that was a little overstated. First of all, I do not work for the >government. Secondly, if I was interested in compelling everyone to do >things my way, why on earth would I have anything to do with a bunch of >"crackpots" chasing around the illusion of perpetual motion? The answer is, >I don't think that way. > >I have developed a career for myself that allows me to help people who might >not have a complete understanding so that they may avoid injury or illness, >IF THEY CHOOSE TO DO SO. I resent the suggestion that my personal offer of >help is somehow connected with a massive government conspiracy to eradicate >free agency and moral responsibility and suppress free thinking. > >We may all yet wind up behind bars, but it won't be because of my personal >efforts to put everyone there. > >Mr. Perreault writes: > >My facts are straight. Uranium ore is not a hazard. As long as I am still >breathing I will not allow T.H. Moray's discovery to remain surppressed. >I am open to any comments and suggestions to improve on this method of power >generation, but please to not say that the Moray device is a hazard to our >health, it is not. To say this is an attack on the foundation of this research. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 18 19:08:41 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id TAA19725; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 19:03:07 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 19:03:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 19:03:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610190203.TAA23525@claim.goldrush.com> X-Sender: crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wesly crosiar Subject: lcr tank circuit Resent-Message-ID: <"X72bh2.0.3q4.OR3Qo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/323 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: TO ALL: Since most, if not every, electrical, overunity project calls for >tuning for resonance, it would seem that there would be a computer program >to tune them to resonance. Does anyone have a program, or know where one >could be downloaded to tune LC and LCR tank circuits? >crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM THANKS WES >WESLEY CROSIAR >PO BOX 268 >SAN ANDREAS, CA. 95249 > > crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM THANKS WES WESLEY CROSIAR PO BOX 268 SAN ANDREAS, CA. 95249 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 18 20:10:56 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id UAA04313; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 20:06:30 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 20:06:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610190306.NAA25436@tornado.netspace.net.au> To: "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" Subject: Fwd: Re: quick note... Date: Sat, 19 Oct 96 13:28:53 -0500 From: Ossie Callanan X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03 Resent-Message-ID: <"biSmw3.0.C31.oM4Qo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/324 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: -- [ From: Ossie Callanan * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- ------- FORWARD, Original message follows ------- Date: Friday, 18-Oct-96 03:50 PM From: Bruce A. Perreault \ Internet: (nuenergy@juno.com) To: Ossie Callanan \ Internet: (mathew3@netspace.net.au) Subject: Re: quick note... On Fri, 18 Oct 96 23:36:23 -0500 Ossie Callanan writes: > > >Bruce, > >Just checked out Paul Brown's Patent and articles on his nuclear >battery design. Seems the small version only put out 70 watts, was 3.5 by 5 >inch cylindrical and had one ounce of radio active material. Seems to me >that Moray was able to get alot more power from a lot less radio active >material. > >A. Paul's design is a typical nuclear battery. His cells are tapping the potential >energy of nuclear particles. 70 watts is phenomenal for a typical nuclear cell. > Even if it just produces 1 watt stand alone, it will be enough to get the ball >rolling. > >Moray produce 50.000 watts and this was still not enough... > >Oh, by the way I'd like to know your opinion on whether you think >yours and Moray's device truly converts radiant energy or just converts >radioactive decay. > >A. What is radioactivity? Radioactivity in the days of old was "Radiant Energy." >Bruce A. Perreault ------- FORWARD, End of original message ------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 18 20:14:04 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id UAA04342; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 20:06:36 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 20:06:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610190306.NAA25315@tornado.netspace.net.au> To: "Bruce A. Perreault" , "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" Subject: Re: hendershot coil Date: Sat, 19 Oct 96 13:28:44 -0500 From: Ossie Callanan X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03 Resent-Message-ID: <"EEhnB2.0.k31.vM4Qo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/325 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: -- [ From: Ossie Callanan * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- To, all, It is becoming apparent to me that it is quite possible that all of the free energy devices of the past that we have heard, read and researched about, that produces usable real power for everyday use, must of had some component or element to it that contained or was exposed to radioactivity or radioactive elements. If this is true it probably is also the reason why replication is impossible without knowing that the device contained radioactive material, or was required to be exposed to radioactive material. Especially if this fact was purposely kept secret or suppressed. This raises a number of important questions that encompasses all facets of the research we do in the present world we live in. Is it a waist of time, effort and money, researching theories and devices that do not have links with radioactivity when your goal is to make a device that produces real useable power ? (Please remember that radioactivity is an electrical phenomenon) We all know that radioactive decay can be directly converted into electricity but you require substantial amounts of it. Can small amounts of radioactivity be used on other elements or components in a specific device to cause those elements or components to generate a large quantity of energy ? Pulsing with an electrostatic field or magnetic field may be required. Is it possible that the indoctrinated hysteria behind radioactivity is perpetually kept at high levels by the powers that be so that experimentation with harmless radioactive substances, with regards to energy production, would not be conducted? Is the availability of relatively harmless radioactive substances to the private researcher kept purposely out of reach to prevent free energy from getting into the hands of the public and as a result, loss in revenue to the power & oil companies and also to the governments ability to control you. Please remember that uranium ore is a natural substance that is present all around the world naturally and is mined and converted for use in terrible things such as nuclear bombs and nuclear reactors which produce shocking waste products for the environment. What if we could take this natural and harmless uranium ore and place it in our free energy devices without converting it to anything terrible. We would no longer have any need for nuclear reactors. Third world and poorer nations would have free power and there would be less threat of war and needing to defend ourselves with nuclear weapons. It seems to me that this would be a better safer option for the environment and humanity. But somehow I don't think the powers that be would like this idea. When you think about it, to change the world like this now would be like taking every dollar, from the people in power, and converting it to one watt of energy in your free energy device. I think thats how they see it anyway, and that all they care about. Looking forward to your responses. Regards, Ossie Callanan -------- REPLY, Original message follows -------- Date: Friday, 18-Oct-96 04:50 PM From: Bruce A. Perreault \ Internet: (nuenergy@cyberportal.net) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com \ Internet: (freenrg-l@eskimo.com) Subject: Re: hendershot coil wesly crosiar wrote: > > >Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 18:01:10 > >To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > >From: wesly crosiar > >Subject: hendershot coil > > > > TO ALL: > > I rewound the hendershot cell, wetting the seperator with electrolytic > solution left over from the microwave capacitor. I then peeled back the > layer of plastic on the capacitor, so the aluminum would make direct contact > with the now wet seperator. I then rewound the cell. After completing the > cell I then proceded to test the cell, The reading I got was as high as 30 > millivolts after letting the capacitor charge up, when I took the reading > from the two ends of the exposed capacitor, the voltage dropped from 30 to > 40 millivolts to one tenth of a millivolt steady. I then measured the > voltage between the can and the capacitor and got a reading of eight tenths > of a millivolt stedy. To those of you who get higher readings without your > meter hooked to anything, keep in mind that I don't live near any power that > can affect my readings. I'm sure that I must be doing something wrong. Maybe > the capacitor acts as a 60 cycle resonant antenna, which would mean that the > length and width of the capacitor is very important. > > HOW IS THAT ADAMS MOTOR PROGRESSING? > > > > I also completed the don smith device, the feedback system works, kinduv. > after starting it up with a battery that read 12.6 volts, we then ran it for > thirty to fourty minutes. The battery charged consistently at over thirteen > volts, with the highest reading about 13.78, after we finished the voltage > read 12.56 and slowly climbed to 12.74. That finished the testing for that > day. A couple of weeks later I set it up again, this time using a three > amphour, 12 volt lead acid gel cell. We started with a fully charged battery > which read 12.9. When we turned it on and adjusted the sparkgap. The > feedback went up to thirty to fourty volts. We then adjusted the sparkgap so > the charging rate was 13.8 or so after running for ten minutes or so we shut > off and measured the stand voltage, which now had dropped to 12.8. We then > set the feedback for maximum and let it charge at 40 to 50 volts. I'm not > sure exactly, I was afraid to get that close to the battery. After another > five minutes or so we shut it off and tested it again, the voltage had > dropped another tenth. We kept repeating and the voltage kept dropping, even > though the feedback showed it was charging. I have not tested the output > yet, because we are so far out of resonance. In a week or so when I finish > some other things, We will tune it for resonance, which requires an > oscilliscope which is tied up testing another project of mine. > > Does anybody know where I can get enough radium to coat both sides of a > business card. I don't need very much? > > > crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM THANKS WES > WESLEY CROSIAR > PO BOX 268 > SAN ANDREAS, CA. 95249 > > Bruce A. Perreault writes: > > It occured to me that I am getting more power from the Hendershot > cell because of my ore samples in the workshop! -------- REPLY, End of original message -------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 18 23:04:40 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id XAA28750; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 23:03:37 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 23:03:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 01:03:18 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199610190603.BAA16396@firefly.prairienet.org> From: w9sz@prairienet.org (Zack Widup) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Perreault Tube Device Safety Reply-To: w9sz@prairienet.org Resent-Message-ID: <"558CR.0.717.uy6Qo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/326 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > >> >>Bruce responds: If you eat toxic material your going to get sick or die. >>If you were to eat radioactive ore (U3 O8) it will pass right through you'll >>when you go to the bathroom. This oxide is not soluable in water. Ask Galen >>Windsor, he has been touring the country eating the stuff for years, with no >>ill effects. Eating radium chloride is another story... >> You will at least get atomic ache! (I just HAD to say that! :-)) All seriousness aside, I remember reading somewhere that T. Henry Moray received some bad burns from the radiation he worked with, but his invention of the "peach violet" ray (or something to that effect ... I think it's in his "therapeutic devices" patent) would actually repair the damage and cure the radiation burns. Was this just a rumor? Zack w9sz@prairienet.org -- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 18 23:18:08 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id XAA03018; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 23:16:36 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 23:16:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610190616.QAA19944@tornado.netspace.net.au> To: "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" Subject: Uranium Info Date: Sat, 19 Oct 96 16:39:08 -0500 From: Ossie Callanan X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03 Resent-Message-ID: <"l5B7z1.0.3l.297Qo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/327 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: -- [ From: Ossie Callanan * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- To All, I found and excellent web site with just about everything you want to know about uranium and other elements. It's at: http://www.uilondon.org/nfcidx.html Following are some quotes that are appropriate regarding some earlier comments: "The average abundance of uranium in the Earth's crust is 2.7 parts per million, making it more common than tin. " "For every three tonnes of uranium in the ore there is only one quarter of a milligram of polonium and one gram of radium, half of which, once separated, will disintegrate in about 1600 years. " "A health hazard you say? Grandfather retired from the Mines Branch in 1949 after 39 years service. His final contribution to the Canadian uranium mining industry was a guide for uranium and thorium prospectors.29 For nearly 30 years, until he died of natural causes in March 1978, he lived in quiet retirement in his large, three storey house in the centre of Ottawa, whose musty, spooky basement I explored as a child, marvelling at the hundreds of heavy, grey canvas sample bags piled hither and thither. His private mineral collection, including samples from Great Bear Lake and everywhere else he'd been, was described as priceless, albeit by a kind old friend.30 One can imagine his puzzlement in 1976 when, at the start of Canada's radioactive contamination remedial programme, an Atomic Energy Control Board health physicist tracked him down to advise over the telephone in terribly serious mien that he possessed a rock collection whose radon emissions posed a significant long-term risk to his health. I suspect he just lit another cigarette and topped up his glass of hard stuff, two vices he pursued with vigour in later years. A phlegmatic, even cavalier reaction? For Canada's expert on radium and uranium ores, veteran of the Great Bear, and one of the last of the classical mineralogists, perhaps being 91 years old had something to do with it. " One last comment from me regarding health issues. These days we are told so many substances can give you cancer. Cancer amonst people are is at the highest rate ever and seems to be on the increase. This is contrary to the fact that people were exposed to higher every day levels of radiation in the first half of this century than the last half. Radiation is also a treatment to kill cancer cells. So if you have heard or are told that so and so died of cancer because of his research or exposure to radiation, some questions I would be asking are: How much exposure to radiation did he have? I think a nuclear explosions is understandable but having an old clock or ashtray next to his bed is reaching. How do you know definitely that his cancer was caused by radiation exposure when we are now told that every other substance in the food we eat and the chemicals we clean and wash with may cause cancer? I believe the gains for humanity in research of this nature for out way the unknown risks, as minimal as they may be. Regards, Ossie Callanan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 19 00:36:26 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id AAA02512; Sat, 19 Oct 1996 00:34:40 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 00:34:40 -0700 (PDT) From: MGEINC@aol.com Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 03:33:59 -0400 Message-ID: <961019033358_1380692580@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: FE in '73 (ham mag) Resent-Message-ID: <"X7Ekk.0.5d.FI8Qo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/328 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Check out the Sept issue of '73 Amateur Radio Today. Page 10. "The Amateur's Guide to "Free Energy" Devices" by Thomas M Miller (is he on this list?) Discusses some early EM devices with diagrams/schematics in a non- judgmental manner. -mike From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 19 01:15:58 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id BAA08705; Sat, 19 Oct 1996 01:14:14 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 01:14:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 10:13:55 +0200 Message-Id: <199610190813.KAA09438@bure.abc.se> X-Sender: m10190@mail.abc.se (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Conny.Ohstrom@abc.se (Conny Ohstrom) Subject: Re: FW: Perreault Tube Device Safety Resent-Message-ID: <"n_kGh1.0.w72.Lt8Qo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/329 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > The only reason I am interested in testing one of these devices now is >that I believe that the radioactive decay can be shortened from hundreds of >years to a few months, after which time the radioactive material [MAY] be >rendered harmless. Which could save millions of lives, if not billions. If I remember right, there is a text about speeding up the radioactive decay dramatically by placing the items inside a VanDerGraf-generator-ball ... I think I saw it in the Keelynet-files. exit --- Dont steal, the government hates competition! Conny Ohstrom; Vita liljans vag 57, 3tr; S-127 34 SKARHOLMEN; SWEDEN; phone: +46-8-978055; mailto:conny.ohstrom@abc.se http://www.abc.se/~m10190/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 19 03:27:36 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id DAA17203; Sat, 19 Oct 1996 03:27:04 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 03:27:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <32699B93.7072@triode.net.au> Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 20:26:14 -0700 From: Max X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Theoretical work for Ecklin converter done ! References: <199610182035.WAA19581@atom.bbtt.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Hwydf3.0.iC4.tpAQo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/330 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Stefan Hartmann wrote: > one of my friends just has completed the THEORETICAL work on > the Ecklin magnetic Flux-Converter. I would be very interested in this too. I assume you are talking about Eckins 'flux-switching alternator'. I have been doing some preliminary work on writing C software to optimise design of FSA's using magnetic circuit simulation. It sounds like you friend has already done it. Is he willing to make the program public? This would help others doing similar work. > > He has build a computer program to compute all the parameters > via mathematical "Differenzial-Gleichungen", so he can now > predict, what is going on in this machine, when he alters > any parameters. > > We will now experiment with his new program to find the optimum > parameters and then will try to build such an Ecklin magnetic flux > converter. > > Please let me know, if you are interested in the results. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 19 03:38:07 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id DAA18292; Sat, 19 Oct 1996 03:37:31 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 03:37:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <32699E8B.2F07@triode.net.au> Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 20:37:47 -0700 From: Max X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Free Energy Part 5 References: <32672A55.60A@netcomuk.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"iqSXb1.0.jT4.gzAQo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/331 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Rob King wrote: > BTW, I used to live in Tasmania, Devenport in a little village on the Don > river many years ago, its just a stones throw across the Bass Strait to > where you are I guess. Hi Rob, Nice to see Tassie get a mention. I'm also from the land downunder downunder, the bit they leave off the map of Australia..... > The stator cores will be crushed ferrite powder mixed with resin and > poured onto the coils sitting face down, arranged in a make-shift mold, > on a piece of wax polished glass. > Then rotor assembly can then be bolted onto the bearing plate. I like your idea of using ferrite in resin. Q1: What type of resin did you use? Q2: Can you expand on how you crushed the ferrite to suit? Q3: Have you tried iron filings or iron powder and resin? This should be suitable at low frequencies. Max. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 19 05:03:21 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id FAA24028; Sat, 19 Oct 1996 05:02:26 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 05:02:26 -0700 (PDT) From: alansch@zip.com.au (Alan Schneider) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: FW: FW: Perreault Tube Device Safety Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 12:02:38 GMT Message-ID: <326ead4d.27163749@mail.zip.com.au> References: <1996Oct18.171300.1650.347943@smtpmail.micro.honeywell.com> In-Reply-To: <1996Oct18.171300.1650.347943@smtpmail.micro.honeywell.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99f/32.299 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <"4wVpp2.0.Ht5.HDCQo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/332 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Fri, 18 Oct 1996 17:21:33 GMT, you wrote: > >Woah! Gross Misinterpretation Alert Here!! [big snip of material on which I am unable to comment] >>Mark McCoy, are you refering to the Curies? Because they are prime=20 >>examples of people who handled a whole bunch of natural radiation.=20 >>Your modern text books say that they died from the radiation that they=20 >>experimented with. This is totally untrue, a blatant lie! If you can = find=20 >>pre-atomic bomb era books you will find that the Curies lived long,=20 >>healthy, productive lives. Oh yes, what about Nickola Tesla? I=20 >>suspect that todays radiation toxcity is due to its inheriant nature. > >Actually, the Curies did come to mind, but so have a lot of other = people.=20 > For example, the ladies that used to paint the radium paint on clock = dials=20 >have suffered cancer rates far higher than normal. =20 I remember reading somewhere that these women were in the=20 habit of !*licking*! the ends of their brushes in order to get a nice fine point. If this was the case they were taking the radium paint straight into their systems. >The lukemia rates among=20 >old chemistry professors are staggering because of their benzene = exposures.=20 > In the 1800's, Chimney Sweeps in London suffered extremely high rates = of=20 >scrotal cancer because of the PAH's in the soot and the fact that they=20 >didn't regularly bathe. PAH's??? What are they? > >My point here is that researchers who are focused on their specialty are= not=20 >always aware of the dangers they face from associated but unobserved=20 >outcomes of their experiments. This is a point worth remembering. Assume that something experimental or unknown is potentially able to bite you until=20 proven otherwise. [rest of post snipped] Cheers, all! Alan =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Quantum Mechanics: The Dreams that Stuff is made of. - Michael Sinz =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 19 05:03:42 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id FAA24135; Sat, 19 Oct 1996 05:02:58 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 05:02:58 -0700 (PDT) From: alansch@zip.com.au (Alan Schneider) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Free Energy Part 5 Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 12:02:46 GMT Message-ID: <3268bfe4.334270@mail.zip.com.au> References: <32672A55.60A@netcomuk.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <32672A55.60A@netcomuk.co.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99f/32.299 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <"KcIja2.0.0v5.nDCQo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/333 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Thu, 17 Oct 1996, Rob King wrote: >Date: 17th October, 1996 Time 23:40 (bit late) > >Dear All, > >PART 5. > >Gi=92dday Alan, > >BTW, I used to live in Tasmania, Devenport in a little village on the = Don=20 >river many years ago, its just a stones throw across the Bass Strait to=20 >where you are I guess.=20 A bit further than that - I'm in Sydney. > >Thanks for getting all that info on the Roberts Adams device for me,=20 >you=92re a Saint, got any more data?=20 To the best of my knowledge and belief I have all data Dr. Adams has released through Nexus to date, from the original "The Adams Pulsed=20 Motor Generator Manual" through to the newly released addendum. BTW, I'm a little disappointed by the content of the addendum. Out of=20 70 pages only 21 are actually by Dr. Adams. The other articles=20 (section 10 onwards in the TOC I posted the other day) are very=20 interesting though. Do you have the original manual yourself? I'd love to be able to post ALL the data on my web page but I'm not sure about copyright issues (BTW the data I posted the other night is all copyright by Dr. Adams - I forgot to say that!) and I'm not sure if I'd be able to pay for the web traffic (my provider charges me by the Mb if web traffic to my site exceeds about 25Mb / month). > >It=92s odd that bit about the pure iron core. [snip] >3. 6 ultra-violet emitters and 6 photo diodes to match. (get these from=20 >several mice). I thought they were infra-red? Moot point, anyway. [snip] > >The stator cores will be crushed ferrite powder mixed with resin and=20 >poured onto the coils sitting face down, arranged in a make-shift mold,=20 >on a piece of wax polished glass. Given Dr. Adams' comments about soft iron vs laminated cores,=20 I'm not sure if ferrite will work that well. After all, ferrite is the same concept as laminations, just taken a lot further. It might=20 be worth trying soft iron cores out of some fairly small DC relays. >Then rotor assembly can then be bolted onto the bearing plate. > >BTW, get rid of any steel bolts for the construction, use brass, they=20 >cause the cogging effect I mentioned before that I thought was the=20 >Earth=92s magnetic field ! Stainless steel should work as well. Most of the better grades of S/S are non-magnetic. > >The optos can be mounted so their position can be changed during run=20 >time. I think this will be essential. The timing and duty cycle of the=20 Adams motor/generator is quite important. > I will try and do some more pictures for the circuits at the weekend. > >I plan on using some liquid nitrogen to super-cool the coils, and so = drop=20 >their resistance, if it does not produce over-unity after exhaustive=20 >testing. > [snip] To quote Dr. Adams from his 1996 addendum... [-------------------begin quote-----------------] THE 1996 ADDENDUM TO THE ADAMS MOTOR MANUAL By Dr. Robert G. Adams, New Zealand. "Once construction of an Adams Motor Generator is completed and successful running has been attained, should the reader desire to carry out an efficiency analysis, he should use conventional measuring instruments AS_A_GUIDE_ONLY. At this point I refer the reader to reading the section entitled ' 'Established Methods of Testing Electric Motor and Transformer Efficiency' and other relevant information in this update. On reading this section, it will become clear to the reader that establishment teaching of THERMODYNAMICS and testing procedures using the conventional measuring instrumentation DO_NOT_COMPUTE _WITH_THE_TRUTH, with either conventional motors of the Adams Motor." "The question is - 'how can any electrical device claim to=20 operate around the order of 70 - 90% efficiency and yet require a cooling facility, whether it be a motor or a transformer,=20 without which the device would disintegrate?'" "If an Adams motor can operate on load alongside a conventional motor of the same rating and, load for load, at a temperature of less than half that of the conventional machine with a claimed efficiency rating of 70 - 90%, then the Adams device will be operating around the order of 3 times that of the conventional motor, and it is, in addition, not required to _radiate_wasted_ _energy_ with a cooling fan." "The correct method in testing a switched reluctance motor is to integrate E x Iav with the machine switching frequency using standard measuring instruments, the result of which is often ironically very close, if not identical, with results of the calorimetric tests, and this is obtained using the equation first outlined in the Adams Motor Manual, i.e., Iav x E x Duty Cycle, corroborated by the New Zealand Electricity Department 1976 and Lucas Electrical Industries, Research Division, United Kingdom 1976" "If you construct an Adams Motor which appears to be running well and is operating under load without getting hot, i.e., around the order of 20 - 25 degrees or less above ambient of 20 degrees, then it will, if calculations are carried out correctly, be operating well beyond unity." "Calorimetric testing analyses, as outlined in this Addendum,=20 is an expensive, time consuming exercise, is complex to calculate and requires considerable experience and skill. This procedure is not recommended to those who are not very, very well prepared with the above prerequisites." [-------------------------end of quote-----------------------] (c) 1996 Dr. Robert G. Adams. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Quantum Mechanics: The Dreams that Stuff is made of. - Michael Sinz =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 19 05:03:46 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id FAA24172; Sat, 19 Oct 1996 05:03:02 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 05:03:02 -0700 (PDT) From: alansch@zip.com.au (Alan Schneider) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Uranium Info Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 12:02:41 GMT Message-ID: <326fad51.27167244@mail.zip.com.au> References: <199610190616.QAA19944@tornado.netspace.net.au> In-Reply-To: <199610190616.QAA19944@tornado.netspace.net.au> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99f/32.299 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <"UNl5Y.0.Xv5.rDCQo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/334 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Sat, 19 Oct 96 16, Ossie Callanan passed on some data about uranium etc, and told us a bit about his grandfather ... [snip] then went on to say... >One last comment from me regarding health issues. These=20 >days we are told so many substances can give you cancer.=20 >Cancer amonst people are is at the highest rate ever and=20 >seems to be on the increase. This is contrary to the fact=20 >that people were exposed to higher every day levels of=20 >radiation in the first half of this century than the last half.=20 >Radiation is also a treatment to kill cancer cells. So if you=20 >have heard or are told that so and so died of cancer=20 >because of his research or exposure to radiation, some=20 >questions I would be asking are: > >How much exposure to radiation did he have? I think a=20 >nuclear explosions is understandable but having an old=20 >clock or ashtray next to his bed is reaching. > >How do you know definitely that his cancer was caused=20 >by radiation exposure when we are now told that every=20 >other substance in the food we eat and the chemicals we=20 >clean and wash with may cause cancer? > >I believe the gains for humanity in research of this nature=20 >for out way the unknown risks, as minimal as they may be. > >Regards, > Ossie Callanan > > > I just have to toss in my $0.05 worth here. (Australia no longer has $0.01 and $0.02 pieces because=20 inflation has made them worthless, so I can either round=20 down per the normal rules, which would make my comment=20 worthless, or round up to $0.05). About 20 years ago I heard on a news broadcast that doctors were claiming that overcooked meat (with surface charring) had been shown to cause cancer. At that point I gave up believing in such statements.=20 My personal opinion, for what it's worth, is that cancer is=20 primarily a stress related dysfunction and can be triggered by physical injury or particulate or chemical contamination=20 BUT ONLY IF mental (psyche) stress is present at a high=20 enough level. After all the one thing that has been increasing steadily since the turn of the century, and is increasing more rapidly as time goes on, is "stress". The "noise" level in contemporary society is unbelievably high. Two of the predominant components of=20 this "noise" would have to be (a) advertising, and (b) morbid=20 concern with "Occupational Health and Safety" and its=20 domestic equivalents. Unfortunately a lot of people swallow this BULLS**T hook, line=20 and sinker and, voila, up goes the old stress level and digestive problems, ulcers, high blood pressure, heart disease, etc, all=20 the way up to cancer, follow on with a seeming inevitability. Likewise, industrial accidents are on the increase. Is it because we, as a race, are becoming more accident prone? Or is it because we're all being distracted so much by the=20 "noise" we're being continuously bombarded with that we=20 forget to concentrate on what we're doing at the time (operating that machine, driving that car, etc) and an=20 accident "happens" simply because "we're asleep at the=20 switch" (as a friend of mine is fond of saying). The "powers that be", with the active collaboration of the media,=20 seem to be engaged in an all-out effort to make the world seem=20 to be a far more dangerous place than it really is (if it was really as dangerous as they seem to be making out, the human race=20 could never have gotten started at all, let alone survived as=20 long as we have). Then, otherwise well-intentioned people (I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt here) pile onto the bandwagon and start=20 ranting and raving and agitating for things (alcohol, tobacco,=20 marijuana, guns, profanity, pornography, atomic power etc=20 etc etc - the list goes on indefinitely and keeps expanding) to=20 be banned and restrictive laws to be passed to "protect us=20 from ourselves", ignoring entirely the weight of historical=20 evidence that banning does *N*O*T* work (just look at=20 prohibition!).=20 After all it's human nature to lust after the "forbidden fruit". And to be hedged around with a maze of regulations, rules and prohibitions which have to be navigated during every waking=20 moment just to stay out of trouble, you have another major=20 source of "stress".=20 Just as an experiment, stop watching the idiot box (or=20 cretiniser, or one-eyed monster or whatever your favourite=20 epithet is for the beastly thing), stop reading papers except=20 when absolutely necessary, learn to totally ignore advertising billboards and shop displays and listen to radio newscasts=20 as sparingly as possible. Spend some of the time you would normally spend being a couch potato looking at natural=20 things (parks, woods etc). Get yourself some space to=20 (metaphorically, mentally) expand into instead of being=20 hemmed in, compressed, restricted by "noise". See if you don't start feeling freer and less put upon after a week or two of this. Try to get yourself a little bit detached from the "problems"=20 and have a go at standing a few feet back of society. I'm=20 not advocating becoming a passive spectator (but isn't that what we become when we glue ourselves in front of the idiot box anyway?). What I'm trying to say is that we can=20 easily get too close to problems to be able to see the simple=20 and obvious solutions, and all the "noise" we cop from news=20 and advertising tends to have the effect of squashing our=20 face right into the "problem" so it becomes very difficult to=20 attain the degree of detachment that effective problem=20 solving requires. My apologies for rambling on so much and I hope my sentiments are not too far off topic for freenrg-l and not too much of a waste of everybody's time. (gets off of soapbox and nudges it back into the dark and dusty nether reaches of psyche) Cheers all. Alan =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Quantum Mechanics: The Dreams that Stuff is made of. - Michael Sinz =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 19 05:15:07 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id FAA25797; Sat, 19 Oct 1996 05:14:22 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 05:14:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3268C625.753@twd.net> Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 08:14:29 -0400 From: farout Reply-To: farout@twd.net Organization: human_race.earth.sol X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: So, what's up?? (was UFO UpDate: Disclosure of information ) References: <199610161547.LAA002.16@cougar.ssi.stratus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7ANFK3.0.zI6.TOCQo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/335 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Charlie Hodgson wrote: > > So, > > it's 5 days since the 'disclosure'. > Please fill us in. > > Charlie > > > > > >X-Sender: updates@globalserve.net > > >Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 01:34:25 -0400 > > >To: updates@globalserve.net > > >From: UFO UpDates - Toronto > > >Subject: UFO UpDate: Disclosure of information > > > > > >Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 20:53:19 -0400 > > >From: RSchatte@aol.com > > >To: ebknapp@yesic.com (ufoupdates-toronto) > > >Subject: Disclosure of information > > > > > >Forwarded Message: > > >Subj: Disclosure of information > > >Date: 96-10-04 15:10:51 EDT > > >From: pparri@republic.net (Pat Parrinello) > > > > > > > > > Information concerning the propulsion of UFO (Alien Spacecraft) > > > will be released to the world on October 11, 1996 at > > > the Civic Center in West Columbia, Texas, at a public > > > meeting sponsored by the West Columbia Library. > > > > > > The method to be revealed points to the conversion > > > of electromagnetic energy to gravitational inerta. > > > > > > Physical demonstration will be given and templates > > > for construction and duplication of the device will > > > be available to all interested parties. > > > > > > Some questions will be allowed. > > > > > > ~Pat~ > > > > > >______________________________________________ > > > > > >Errol Bruce-Knapp (updates@globalserve.net) > > >UFO UpDates - Toronto - 416-932-0031 > > > > > >An E-Mail Subscription Service for > > >Serious Students of UFO-Related Phenomena > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Who is don alphonso and > whats all this about tweezers and who was that girl in the back seat of Calvins car? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 19 06:06:23 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id GAA01983; Sat, 19 Oct 1996 06:05:29 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 06:05:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3268D1CB.1CA1@cyberportal.net> Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 09:04:11 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Perreault Tube Device Safety References: <199610190603.BAA16396@firefly.prairienet.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"eo1HQ3.0.tU.N8DQo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/337 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Zack Widup wrote: > > > > >> > >>Bruce responds: If you eat toxic material your going to get sick or die. > >>If you were to eat radioactive ore (U3 O8) it will pass right through you'll > >>when you go to the bathroom. This oxide is not soluable in water. Ask Galen > >>Windsor, he has been touring the country eating the stuff for years, with no > >>ill effects. Eating radium chloride is another story... > >> > > You will at least get atomic ache! > > (I just HAD to say that! :-)) > > All seriousness aside, > I remember reading somewhere that T. Henry Moray received some bad > burns from the radiation he worked with, but his invention of the "peach > violet" ray (or something to that effect ... I think it's in his > "therapeutic devices" patent) would actually repair the damage and cure > the radiation burns. Was this just a rumor? > > Zack > w9sz@prairienet.org > > Bruce A. Perreault writes: > > No this was not a rumor. T.H. Moray got burned from a concentrated solution of > radium chloride. Radiam chloride is some pretty nasty stuff, chemically speaking. > T.H. Moray suffered no ill effects from the burn, except for the servere burns of > course. The concentrated radium emitted strong gamma energy, photons (extremely > > (shortwavelength light waves). Keep in mind that T.H. Moray lived a healthy life. > He died at about 81 years old. Hmmm, how come researchers associated radiation > research seem to live to see 80 years on average? T.H. Moray was hit by a car > about one year before he died. Because of his age he never quite healed from this > accident. > > Did you know that Pierre Curie died by getting runned over by a horse drawn buggy? > Madame Curie was very distraut from the loss of her husband. She withdrew from the > world and become totally absorbed in her work. She hardly slept and barely eat. > She became anemic from not eating. She got a flu that her immune system could not > fight off and she died several months later. Madame Curie died of anemia not > "lekemia." > > Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 19 06:07:58 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id FAA00889; Sat, 19 Oct 1996 05:49:11 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 05:49:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3268CE0F.1F38@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 06:48:15 -0600 From: Chuck Humphrey Reply-To: next-gen@ix.netcom.com Organization: NextGeneration Software X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Quantadyne References: <199610190203.TAA23525@claim.goldrush.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wl1i91.0.oD.6vCQo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/336 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I ran into an interesting site on a new energy company "Quantadyne" < http://www.quantadyne.com/ who has apparantly devenloped what they call the energy chip. This energy chip is a simiconductor that converts heat difference directly to electriciy. They claim they have a unit that has an electrical output of 20 watts by using a temperature difference of only 6 degrees F. These units can be placed at the exaust of almost any heat source such as a conventional household furnace and cascaded to convert all of the lost heat into usable power. Has anyone done any study in this technology and is it real? Chuck -- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 19 06:23:21 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id GAA03744; Sat, 19 Oct 1996 06:22:37 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 06:22:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3268D5D0.6BC1@cyberportal.net> Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 09:21:20 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: (no subject) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3phjU1.0.Lw.RODQo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/338 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Conny Ohstrom wrote: The only reason I am interested in testing one of these devices now is that I believe that the radioactive decay can be shortened from hundreds of years to a few months, after which time the radioactive material [MAY] be rendered harmless. Which could save millions of lives, if not billions. Bruce A. Perreault writes: Speeding up the decay process is called a "chain-reaction". This is what we want to avoid! This is when radiation becomes deadly! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 19 07:35:33 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id HAA11655; Sat, 19 Oct 1996 07:34:22 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 07:34:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3268E6A1.6311@cyberportal.net> Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 10:33:05 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: thermoelectric devices Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YCDWp.0.-r2.jREQo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/339 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Chuck Humphrey wrote: I ran into an interesting site on a new energy company "Quantadyne" < http://www.quantadyne.com/ who has apparantly devenloped what they call the energy chip. This energy chip is a simiconductor that converts heat difference directly to electriciy. They claim they have a unit that has an electrical output of 20 watts by using a temperature difference of only 6 degrees F. These units can be placed at the exaust of almost any heat source such as a conventional household furnace and cascaded to convert all of the lost heat into usable power. Has anyone done any study in this technology and is it real? Chuck Bruce A. Perreault writes: Thermo electric devices are 5% efficient at best. Even at 10% efficiency you are going to need quite a few TED's. What is the cost factor? I suspect another Lee situation here. Quantadyne is hyping TED like Lee hypes his glorified heat pumps. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 19 08:07:26 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id IAA16874; Sat, 19 Oct 1996 08:04:02 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 08:04:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3268ED4D.5E41@cyberportal.net> Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 11:01:33 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Quantadyne thermoelectric device Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_dnrX.0.T74.TtEQo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/340 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I just did a patent search on Quantadyne's TED's. The technology that Quantadyne is selling was invented by Joel Miller. His US Pat. #5,439,528 I have requested the weight of a 5kw unit and it's price from Quantadyne. I will post the response when it comes in. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 19 10:17:18 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id KAA11808; Sat, 19 Oct 1996 10:15:48 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 10:15:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 10:15:42 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: SEATTLE WEIRD SCIENCE: Dale Travous Art Show Today (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"O7osT3.0.Ju2.2pGQo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/342 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Oops! I'll take freenrg-L off the list for these messages. .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 19 11:08:12 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id LAA20489; Sat, 19 Oct 1996 11:06:20 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 11:06:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Guy Ricci Message-Id: <199610191806.OAA32904@seminole.gate.net> Subject: Re: Antigrav for Real? To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 14:06:05 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <961017013046_76216.2421_HHB42-2@CompuServe.COM> from "Rick Monteverde" at Oct 16, 96 09:30:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"trVSD3.0.105.RYHQo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/343 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > > As to the Japanese experiment, a mechanical linkage to the measuring device was > ultimately blamed for the apparent weight loss on the gyros. This report is no > longer credible in the scientific community, from what I've read and heard. Thanks for verifying that. > > > Apparently, grass over the spinning disks grew in a cone > > shape pointing toward the axis of rotation. > > That would be interesting if air currents were eliminated, as the grass might > seek the calmer center of the vortex flow of air. Do you know if that was > accounted for in the experiment? All of this information is from the Art Bell radio show. Richard Hoagland was recounting the experiments of Bruce DiPalma. I'm assuming the spinning disk was underneath something which would eliminate air currents. The grass itself was not spinning. I wonder, though, about the effects of rotating magnetic fields produced by the turntable electric motor on the growing grass...(assuming there was a motor directly underneath the grass driving the spinning disk). So far, I have had not been able to find any detailed information on the whole thing. If I do, I will post it if anyone is interested. Guy From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 19 12:29:32 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id MAA05485; Sat, 19 Oct 1996 12:27:37 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 12:27:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Kap808@aol.com Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 15:27:02 -0400 Message-ID: <961019152702_129798213@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Run Gasoline engine on Brown's Gas? Resent-Message-ID: <"1WiSd2.0.WL1.ekIQo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/344 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Contact Leonard Dahle of Clean Air Energy Systems. He's developed a device for autos and trucks that uses injections of brown's gas and saves users fuel and extends the life of engines. He can be reached at 503-761-7069. I do not have an e-mail address. His snail mail address is 5208 SE 115th, Portland, OR 97266. Steve Kaplan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 19 12:54:47 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id MAA10966; Sat, 19 Oct 1996 12:53:22 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 12:53:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 13:53:48 -0600 (MDT) From: steve ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: SEATTLE WEIRD SCIENCE: Dale Travous Art Show Today (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"C8rOH.0.Fh2.n6JQo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/345 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Sat, 19 Oct 1996, William Beaty wrote: > Oops! I'll take freenrg-L off the list for these messages. > > .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. > William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 > EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ > Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page > actually, your group activities are kindof a breath of FRESH AIR for those of us working alone... nice to see group(s) working together on ANYTHING. -=se=- i vote leave it on on-line :) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 19 19:06:38 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id TAA06667; Sat, 19 Oct 1996 19:03:54 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 19:03:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <326A702C.65E2@dove.mtx.net.au> Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 11:32:12 -0700 From: Glenville Sawyer Organization: Outback Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Run Gasoline engine on Brown's Gas? References: <961019152702_129798213@emout05.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vANq91.0.zd1.8YOQo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/346 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Please Humor a fellow researcher from down-under ... I guess we all have different names for different things so .. What the heck IS " brown's gas " is this what we locals might know as Methane - taking a wild stab here, like the name of the gas being a derivative of the "source" !!!! Thank you. :>) -- Best regards, Glenville T. Sawyer email #1: gsawyer@dove.net.au (primary & best address) email #2: kapunda@hotmail.com email #3: wicen@hotmail.com Emergency Amateur radio communications Amateur Radio operators may try vk5zcf@vk5lz.#adl.#sa.aus.oc (this will NOT work from the Internet)! Pages are at .. http://www.dove.net.au/~gsawyer/welcome.html MID-FM 87.6 +61 85 663600 , Outback Communications +61 85 663236 (Business Hrs phone calls ONLY) Lighting, Audio, Special Effects & Custom Software development (Theater related for both DOS & Windows ) Call NOW ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 19 20:23:40 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id UAA19753; Sat, 19 Oct 1996 20:19:34 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 20:19:34 -0700 (PDT) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 22:35:05 EST Subject: Re: Run Gasoline engine on Brown's Gas? Message-ID: <19961019.231803.10023.0.DanWillett@juno.com> References: <"6621 Fri Oct 18 14:00:49 1996"@bnr.ca> X-Mailer: Juno 1.00 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-9 From: danwillett@juno.com (Dan P Willett) Resent-Message-ID: <"QTiRt.0.Xq4.4fPQo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/347 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Fri, 18 Oct 1996 13:55:00 -0400 "gene (g.) batten" writes: >Has anyone been doing any research with Brown's Gas. What is Brown's Gas? Is there someplace I can get more information on this? Thanks, Dan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 19 20:36:01 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id UAA22616; Sat, 19 Oct 1996 20:34:05 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 20:34:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <326A8CBB.49B9@triode.net.au> Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 13:34:04 -0700 From: Max X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Run Gasoline engine on Brown's Gas? References: <961019152702_129798213@emout05.mail.aol.com> <326A702C.65E2@dove.mtx.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"15PS7.0.DX5.hsPQo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/348 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Glenville Sawyer wrote: > > Please Humor a fellow researcher from down-under ... > I guess we all have different names for different things so .. > > What the heck IS " brown's gas " is this what we locals might know > as Methane - taking a wild stab here, like the name of the gas being a > derivative of the "source" !!!! Hi Glenville, I think I can answer this. I believe Brown's gas is another name for water gas or a mixture of Hydrogen and oxygen and water vapour that results from the dissociation of water into its componenents by electrolysis. The word 'Brown' comes from Yul Brown, the inventor, and his hydrogen gas generator. Yul Brown used to live in Sydney before he moved to the 'States'. I never met him myself but I 'hang out' with guys who did. He leaves behind a few unsubstantiated stories about himself. One guy claims he and Yul Brown drove from Sydney to Brisbane on just a a pint of water!! Another guy says Yul is very knowledable on a number of topics including UFO's etc. He was known as Dr Brown in those days. He apparently got his degreee in Russia. I dont now why it should be called 'Brown's gas' except to honour Yul Brown and his super welding torch. I dont believe, judging by his patent info, it is any different from dissociated water gas. You could argue that it should be called 'Meyer's Gas' because Stanly Meyer holds a number of patents on producing water gas to fuel automobiles etc. It doesnt seem to be any different. Hydrogen production from electrolysis of water is an old art - nothing new. What excites some people today is the claimed efficiency with which it is produced. Cheers, Max. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 20 04:16:57 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id EAA02615; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 04:12:06 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 04:12:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610201111.VAA29150@tornado.netspace.net.au> To: Alan Schneider , "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" Subject: Re: Uranium Info Date: Sun, 20 Oct 96 21:34:25 -0500 From: Ossie Callanan X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03 Resent-Message-ID: <"HR5Ml2.0.me.4aWQo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/349 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: -- [ From: Ossie Callanan * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- Alan, I agree totally with all of your reply. It wasn't my gandfather. That passage of text was a cut from the websight I mentioned, I thought it was a good example of how people have worked with radioactive substances all their lives with no ill effect. My last few postings were mainly pushing my opinion that I believe if you are going to get any sort of real results (power greater than 1 watt) with your free energy devices, it is going to be in the direction of utilising radioactive substances. Unfortunately, alot of people will not even consider this from fear of it being dangerous to their health. I personally believe that natural radioactive substances in their naturally found concentrations do not pose a health risk. But unfortunately, it is in certain peoples interests to have you believe that it is a health risk and use this as grounds for making it unavailable to the public. That is why you cant just go and by a pound of uranium ore from the drug store. This wasn't always the case, in the early half of the century you could do just that, but it was also the early half of the century that people like Perrigo, Hubbard and Moray(and I'm sure that there were others that you never heard of) used radioactive substances to make devices that produced free energy. The reaction was, these people and their devices were suppressed, and the primary ingredient that made their devices work was taken from public access. So you find that in the last few decades nobody (except for Bruce Perreault) have been able to duplicate Perrigo, Hubbard or Moray's devices, even with the technology we have now. Why, just try and get your hands on some radioactive material? In the last few decades, it has been made almost impossible for the general public to get, even though hundreds of thousands of tonnes, enough to power the human race for centuries, have been doug out of mines this century. I bet if everyone in this forum had magically gotten a pound of natural radioactive material to experiment with in their free energy devices. The posts will no longer be telling every one how they built this device or done that experiment but it didnt work or no excess energy was measured. Instead the posts will be about how many watts of energy I got with this particular design and I'm sure one of our goals would be the first person to reach "One Kilowatt" instead of dreaming of getting our devices to be self sustaining. The best posts I hope to see are the ones that tells us "they are finally off the grid and they drove their car for the first time with the newly installed 40HP electric motor powered by their Hubbard device or Moray tube. " Without access to radioactive material. I dont believe this will come about. So I certainly dont believe I will be seeing posts like "I'm finally of the grid and I drove my car for the first time with the newly installed 40 HP electric motor powered by my Adam motor generator or MRA device." Regards, Ossie Callanan -------- REPLY, Original message follows -------- Date: Saturday, 19-Oct-96 12:02 PM From: Alan Schneider \ Internet: (alansch@zip.com.au) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com \ Internet: (freenrg-l@eskimo.com) Subject: Re: Uranium Info On Sat, 19 Oct 96 16, Ossie Callanan passed on some data about uranium etc, and told us a bit about his grandfather ... [snip] then went on to say... >One last comment from me regarding health issues. These >days we are told so many substances can give you cancer. >Cancer amonst people are is at the highest rate ever and >seems to be on the increase. This is contrary to the fact >that people were exposed to higher every day levels of >radiation in the first half of this century than the last half. >Radiation is also a treatment to kill cancer cells. So if you >have heard or are told that so and so died of cancer >because of his research or exposure to radiation, some >questions I would be asking are: > >How much exposure to radiation did he have? I think a >nuclear explosions is understandable but having an old >clock or ashtray next to his bed is reaching. > >How do you know definitely that his cancer was caused >by radiation exposure when we are now told that every >other substance in the food we eat and the chemicals we >clean and wash with may cause cancer? > >I believe the gains for humanity in research of this nature >for out way the unknown risks, as minimal as they may be. > >Regards, > Ossie Callanan > > > I just have to toss in my $0.05 worth here. (Australia no longer has $0.01 and $0.02 pieces because inflation has made them worthless, so I can either round down per the normal rules, which would make my comment worthless, or round up to $0.05). About 20 years ago I heard on a news broadcast that doctors were claiming that overcooked meat (with surface charring) had been shown to cause cancer. At that point I gave up believing in such statements. My personal opinion, for what it's worth, is that cancer is primarily a stress related dysfunction and can be triggered by physical injury or particulate or chemical contamination BUT ONLY IF mental (psyche) stress is present at a high enough level. After all the one thing that has been increasing steadily since the turn of the century, and is increasing more rapidly as time goes on, is "stress". The "noise" level in contemporary society is unbelievably high. Two of the predominant components of this "noise" would have to be (a) advertising, and (b) morbid concern with "Occupational Health and Safety" and its domestic equivalents. Unfortunately a lot of people swallow this BULLS**T hook, line and sinker and, voila, up goes the old stress level and digestive problems, ulcers, high blood pressure, heart disease, etc, all the way up to cancer, follow on with a seeming inevitability. Likewise, industrial accidents are on the increase. Is it because we, as a race, are becoming more accident prone? Or is it because we're all being distracted so much by the "noise" we're being continuously bombarded with that we forget to concentrate on what we're doing at the time (operating that machine, driving that car, etc) and an accident "happens" simply because "we're asleep at the switch" (as a friend of mine is fond of saying ). The "powers that be", with the active collaboration of the media, seem to be engaged in an all-out effort to make the world seem to be a far more dangerous place than it really is (if it was really as dangerous as they seem to be making out, the human race could never have gotten started at all, let alone survived as long as we have). Then, otherwise well-intentioned people (I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt here) pile onto the bandwagon and start ranting and raving and agitating for things (alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, guns, profanity, pornography, atomic power etc etc etc - the list goes on indefinitely and keeps expanding) to be banned and restrictive laws to be passed to "protect us from ourselves", ignoring entirely the weight of historical evidence that banning does *N*O*T* work (just look at prohibition!). After all it's human nature to lust after the "forbidden fruit". And to be hedged around with a maze of regulations, rules and prohibitions which have to be navigated during every waking moment just to stay out of trouble, you have another major source of "stress". Just as an experiment, stop watching the idiot box (or cretiniser, or one- eyed monster or whatever your favourite epithet is for the beastly thing), stop reading papers except when absolutely necessary, learn to totally ignore advertising billboards and shop displays and listen to radio newscasts as sparingly as possible. Spend some of the time you would normally spend being a couch potato looking at natural things (parks, woods etc). Get yourself some space to (metaphorically, mentally) expand into instead of being hemmed in, compressed, restricted by "noise". See if you don't start feeling freer and less put upon after a week or two of this. Try to get yourself a little bit detached from the "problems" and have a go at standing a few feet back of society. I'm not advocating becoming a passive spectator (but isn't that what we become when we glue ourselves in front of the idiot box anyway?). What I'm trying to say is that we can easily get too close to problems to be able to see the simple and obvious solutions, and all the "noise" we cop from news and advertising tends to have the effect of squashing our face right into the "problem" so it becomes very difficult to attain the degree of detachment that effective problem solving requires. My apologies for rambling on so much and I hope my sentiments are not too far off topic for freenrg-l and not too much of a waste of everybody's time. (gets off of soapbox and nudges it back into the dark and dusty nether reaches of psyche) Cheers all. Alan ====================================================== Quantum Mechanics: The Dreams that Stuff is made of. - Michael Sinz ====================================================== -------- REPLY, End of original message -------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 20 06:34:41 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id GAA14500; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 06:30:23 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 06:30:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <326A9A57.73C8@netcomuk.co.uk> Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 14:32:07 -0700 From: Rob King X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-NC260 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Free Energy Part 6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ROZM92.0.TY3.kbYQo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/350 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Date: 20th October, 1996 Time 14:28 Dear All, PART 6. Hi Max, RE: Q1, Q2, Q3, we will not be using ferrite after all, I have done a bit of experimenting and it doesn’t look good as a core. Hi Alan, Have I got the original Adams manual ? Nope, just the following: 1. The Adams Pulsed Electric Motor Generator - Update by Nexus 2. Free Energy - The Way forward by Harold Aspden 3. The Adams pulsed electric motor - The Conspiracy by Nexus 4. The Adams Pulsed Electric Motor Generator by Nexus You can post the info provided it is not word for word (I think), just read it and redo it in your own words. You’re right again, the ultra-violet emitters should read infra-red emitters, I checked the catalogue. OK here are some results from my Saturday night experiments: Using some digital kitchen scales with a 1g increment 2000g max., I stuck a 19mm circular ceramic magnet on the top plate of the scales; the weighing surface. I used this to measure the repulsive force of different numbers of magnets stuck together. No. of scale magnets No. of held magnets Repulsive force 1 1 260g 1 2 324g 1 3 350g 1 4 409g 1 5 430g 2 1 350g 2 2 380g 2 3 420g 2 4 520g I should point out that not all the magnets are of the same strength, but even so it appears that stacking the magnets increases their single point of repulsive force. Then I used a bobbin of enamel copper wire 0.71mm dia., weighing 210g (about) making a coil 53mm wide, 40mm outside diameter and 21mm inside diameter. I passed 12volts though the coil of 5.4 ohms resistance, with a draw of about 1.9 amps and measured the repulsive force produced by the coil with different cores. Some cores ended up being magnetised: Core Size Repulsive force Magnetised Y/N Air 62g N/A Ferrite 9x137mm 62g N Screw,iron 7x75mm 88g N Drill,HSS 8x117mm 110g Y Torque Socket,HTS 11x75mm 113g Y Ferrite 19x177mm 124g N Socket drop forged 8x65mm 132g Y Center punch 11x105mm 174g Y Knives, 2of Stainless/S 14x197mm 180g Y Box spanner 13x120mm 185g N T-bar 9x155mm 210g N Allen key 10x120mm 224g Y Socket wrench drop forged 14x197mm 235g very slightly Socket wrench drop forged 11x127mm 237g very slightly Socket ext. drop forged 11x145mm 245g N Socket ext. drop forged 11x195mm 270g N So the best material is the 11x195mm socket extension bar. (fits 3/8 inch ratchet wrench). I will try and see if I can get some old relay cores to test with the above proceedure. Or if you have one yourself, could you conduct the above test, the parameters can all be different, I just need to know how much better it is than what I have found to work best. I then proceeded to wind the wire directly on the bar itself to get better concentration of magnetic circuit, in addition I added some more wire to reduce the current. The results of this test were: Current Repulsive force 1.69 amps 329g Then some more wire: 1.53 amps 349g Even at 1.53 amps the coil starts to warm up, and I guess if left for some time would get quite hot. I think that we should be aiming for a current of about 0.75 amps and a resistance of around 16 ohms so that a 12 volts supply can be used and that the coil is producing the maximum repulsive force for a giving amount of power. I.E. W=I^2R W=0.75 * 0.75 * 16 Power=9 watts The repulsive force should be about 500g with this number of turns. This gives us a repulsive force to watts ratio of: force/power 500/9 55.5 g/watt Unfortunately that equals about 500g of wire. With 3 stators to make that requires 1.5 kg of wire. BTW the original floppy coil creates about 42 grams of repulsive force for a current of about 1.49 amps and a coil resistance of 1.4 ohms. (This only requires 2.1 volts) This gives us a repulsive force to watts ratio of: force/power 42 / 3.129 13.42 g/watt Conclusion: If we were to use a super-conducting wire we would get a fantastic force/power ratio with none of the problems of heating that you get, even with thick copper wire. I need to order about 2 Kg of 0.71mm copper wire for the coils, although I may get better efficiency using thinner wire. I just hope that I have not over scaled the stator size and power to the rotor size. Now that I have these circular ceramic magnets I will be using these instead of the floppy drive magnet. Because I foresee that there may be problems with the floppy magnets in that there are north and south poles on the face and the original Adams motor only use a single polarity, like say all north. I intend to mount 4 circular magnets, vertical, so the 4 north poles face outwards, on a Perspex/Plexiglass disc using the original bearings and bearing plate. (I’ve just noticed a blister on my finger from all this coil winding.) I look forward to your comments. Speak to you soon, Rob King Email address: ROBK@netcomuk.co.uk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 20 06:41:57 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id GAA16219; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 06:37:34 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 06:37:34 -0700 (PDT) From: alansch@zip.com.au (Alan Schneider) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Uranium Info Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 13:37:39 GMT Message-ID: <327326ab.38730080@mail.zip.com.au> References: <199610201111.VAA29150@tornado.netspace.net.au> In-Reply-To: <199610201111.VAA29150@tornado.netspace.net.au> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99f/32.299 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <"JrrxH1.0.Kz3.TiYQo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/351 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Sun, 20 Oct 96, Ossie Callanan wrote: >Alan, > >I agree totally with all of your reply. > >It wasn't my gandfather. That passage of text was a cut from the = websight I >mentioned, I thought it was a good example of how people have worked = with >radioactive substances all their lives with no ill effect. Oops! Sorry. I goofed again. > >My last few postings were mainly pushing my opinion that I believe if = you >are going to get any sort of real results (power greater than 1 watt) = with >your free energy devices, it is going to be in the direction of = utilising >radioactive substances. Unfortunately, alot of people will not even = consider >this from fear of it being dangerous to their health. > [snip] > >Without access to radioactive material. I dont believe this will come = about. >So I certainly dont believe I will be seeing posts like "I'm finally of = the >grid and I drove my car for the first time with the newly installed 40 = HP >electric motor powered by my Adam motor generator or MRA device." > >Regards, > Ossie Callanan > There certainly seems to be a missing factor in a number=20 of the more "legendary" f/e inventions and it may well be radioactives. I'm pretty sure though, that this does not=20 apply to the Adams motor. Dr. Adams makes the point numerous times that the ways in which we calculate conversions between electrical, thermal and mechanical energy are just straight out WRONG based as they are on empirical results from many years ago with considerably older technology.=20 When I have time to type in more of the data on this I will=20 post it to the group. My reply to Rob King's posting "Free Energy Part 5" is the first part of this.=20 As to the MRA, I don't know. I remember reading some- where (might even have been freenrg-l) that the reported o/u results were incorrect because power factor had not been allowed for. Does anyone have the data on this? Also, the original article was pretty specific about needing a barium titanate transducer and barium ferrite magnet. How does one tell if a ferrite magnet contains barium? What are "normal" compositions for ferrite magnets? =46rom where can one source barium titanate=20 transducers?=20 Does barium have radioactive isotopes? Are any readily available piezo devices standardly made using barium titanate? I vaguely remember reading somewhere that magnets containing barium have been banned stateside by the =46DA, for "health reasons". Is there any substance to=20 this, or am I misremembering again? I'm planning to build a MRA when I have the time, if I=20 can track down suitable transducers and magnets. Or=20 maybe give it a try with ordinary off-the-shelf=20 piezo-electric transducers (e.g. piezo tweeter?) and=20 garden variety ferrite magnets. I wonder what would happen if one built the piezo=20 transducer (or several?) into an accoustically resonant=20 cavity. And if one used a toroidal magnet rather than a=20 bar magnet? Could be interesting to find out. Cheers all, Alan =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Quantum Mechanics: The Dreams that Stuff is made of. - Michael Sinz =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 20 07:23:33 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id HAA20581; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 07:18:57 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 07:18:57 -0700 (PDT) From: alansch@zip.com.au (Alan Schneider) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Free Energy Part 6 Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 14:19:17 GMT Message-ID: <32742c2f.40142471@mail.zip.com.au> References: <326A9A57.73C8@netcomuk.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <326A9A57.73C8@netcomuk.co.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99f/32.299 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <"nHfEM.0.Q15.GJZQo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/352 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Sun, 20 Oct 1996, Rob King wrote: [snip] >Have I got the original Adams manual ? Nope, just the following: > >1. The Adams Pulsed Electric Motor Generator - Update by Nexus >2. Free Energy - The Way forward by Harold Aspden >3. The Adams pulsed electric motor - The Conspiracy by Nexus >4. The Adams Pulsed Electric Motor Generator by Nexus I think #4 is the original document. The title is the same. >You can post the info provided it is not word for word (I think), just = read it and redo=20 >it in your own words. I DON'T like the idea of paraphrasing something like this. If I interpret it wrongly the data may become useless and it will tend to hang around for years, confusing=20 everyone who comes across it and tries to use it. > >You=92re right again, the ultra-violet emitters should read infra-red = emitters, I checked=20 >the catalogue. > >OK here are some results from my Saturday night experiments: > >Using some digital kitchen scales with a 1g increment 2000g max., I = stuck a 19mm=20 >circular ceramic magnet on the top plate of the scales; the weighing = surface. > >I used this to measure the repulsive force of different numbers of = magnets stuck=20 >together. > [table snipped] What was the spacing between the magnets when you were measuring the repulsion? This will affect the=20 results significantly. > >Then I used a bobbin of enamel copper wire 0.71mm dia., weighing 210g = (about) making a=20 >coil 53mm wide, 40mm outside diameter and 21mm inside diameter. >I passed 12volts though the coil of 5.4 ohms resistance, with a draw of = about 1.9 amps=20 >and measured the repulsive force produced by the coil with different = cores. Some cores=20 >ended up being magnetised: > [table snipped again] > >So the best material is the 11x195mm socket extension bar. (fits 3/8 = inch ratchet=20 >wrench). >I will try and see if I can get some old relay cores to test with the = above proceedure.=20 I suspect this will be the best way to go as Dr Adams is fairly specific about using high quality soft iron with very low retentivity. I think your socket extensions will display some retentivity also as they would have to be steel, not soft iron (how did you measure this?). > Or if you have one yourself, could you conduct the above test, the = parameters can all=20 >be different, I just need to know how much better it is than what I have= found to work=20 >best. >=09 [snip] >Even at 1.53 amps the coil starts to warm up, and I guess if left for = some time would=20 >get quite hot. >I think that we should be aiming for a current of about 0.75 amps and a = resistance of=20 >around 16 ohms so that a 12 volts supply can be used and that the coil = is producing the=20 >maximum repulsive force for a giving amount of power. I.E. Remember that you will not be passing a steady=20 current through the coil. You will be pulsing it with a fairly low duty cycle. Thus your average current (to which the heat generated will be proportional) will be much lower than the magnitude of the current pulses through the coil. On the basis of=20 0.75 amps, if we take this as average current and it turns out that we are running at a duty cycle of say, 5:1, the peak coil will be 3.75a. With a=20 12 v supply this gives a required coil resistance=20 of around 3 ohms.=20 In the original manual, Dr. Adams talks about using=20 coils between 0.03125 and 27 ohms. Also, "As stated elsewhere, the stator pole faces, if desired, may be reduced to 25% of the rotor pole face area, hence _large_drive_windings_and_high_ _drive_current_ _is_not_required_." Your best bet would be to make the stator coils easily removable so you can experiment with different cores and coil specifications. [snip] >Now that I have these circular ceramic magnets I will be using these = instead of the=20 >floppy drive magnet. Because I foresee that there may be problems with = the floppy=20 >magnets in that there are north and south poles on the face and the = original Adams motor=20 >only use a single polarity, like say all north. I suspect you are right. The idea of turning the magnetic "circuit" around 90 degrees is an interesting one though although I think you'll lose out a bit on "leverage" as parts of the magnet will be closer to the shaft than others. I think the efficiency would be lower than the original=20 design of having the coils radial to the rotor disk > >I intend to mount 4 circular magnets, vertical, so the 4 north poles = face outwards, on a=20 >Perspex/Plexiglass disc using the original bearings and bearing plate.=20 Remember Dr. Adam's comments about windage of the rotor! > >(I=92ve just noticed a blister on my finger from all this coil winding.) Try using a small hand drill held in a bench vise. It cuts down the strain quite a bit, particularly if you keep tension on the wire by clamping it in some foam rubber instead=20 of with your fingers. Cheers, Alan =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Quantum Mechanics: The Dreams that Stuff is made of. - Michael Sinz =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 20 07:32:13 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id HAA22899; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 07:27:52 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 07:27:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3269F147.5C9F@cyberportal.net> Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 05:30:47 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: T.H. Moray "Radiant Energy Receiver" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------E0C65B12F6B" Resent-Message-ID: <"-CfFP.0.ib5.dRZQo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/353 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------E0C65B12F6B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well here goes, read and enjoy! --------------E0C65B12F6B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="radiant energy generator.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline; filename="radiant energy generator.txt" Moray's Radiant Energy Tube & Circuit T.H. Moray's radiant energy tube was a unique type of photo voltaic c= ell. It produced effects that were of a greater order of magnitude than a= ny electronic device ever to be developed. It functioned as a self powere= d radio tube. The grid in this tube consisted of pure germanium metal dop= ed with a special phosphor that consisted of zinc sulfide activated by a = self-fissioning radioactive material. T.H. Moray called the mixture "fiss= ion material." The tube had a molybdenum disulfide anode that collected t= he generated energy. This was made as a rod. The metal case of the tube s= erved as a cathode and as a parabolic reflector, it concentrated and focu= sed the energy. Photo-electric tubes are converters of radiant energy into electric c= urrent. The radiant-energy wavelengths to which they are sensitive includ= e the infra-red, visible light, ultraviolet and x-ray regions, and the pr= ocess of conversion bears some resemblance to the reverse of the process = by which light is produced in a glow lamp. A photo-electric tube may be either vacuum or low pressure gas filled= and is comparatively simple in construction. This tube consists of a cat= hode that emits electrons when radiant energy impinges upon it. The catho= de usually takes the form of a plate. = Radiant energy comes to us in waves of separate and distinct little qu= antity units called photons. There are definite relationships between the= energies of these photons at various wavelengths and the number of elect= rons they cause the cathode to emit when they fall upon it. Since the sho= rter wavelengths have photons of more energy, gamma or x-rays are basical= ly better producers of photo-electric emission than visible light, and vi= sible light better than infra-red photons. The cathodes used in photo-electric tubes are coated with materials s= uch as cesium, potassium and others that reduce the barrier energy at the= cathode surface and allow electrons to be emitted more readily. The coat= ing used depends upon the wavelength of energy to be converted into elect= ron emission (current flow from the cathode to the anode), since the diff= erent materials have differing characteristics with respect to the wavele= ngth of energy falling upon them. Thus, photoelectric tubes are designed = for a number of wavelength regions. Those sensitive to visible light are = not suitable for infra-red, ultraviolet, x-ray or gamma energy. In Moray's electronic circuit there was a coil connected into the pla= te circuit of the Moray valve, (transistor) so placed in relation to the = grid coil, that a radio-frequency (6KHz.) oscillating current in the plat= e circuit induced a radio-frequency e.m.f. in the circuit composed of th= e Grid coil and the condenser connected across it. The grid coil here is = designated "L" and the variable condenser connected across it is designat= ed "C." The antenna circuit is not indicated, but let us assume that osci= llations in the antenna circuit, in some manner, creates radio-frequency = potential variations at the grid coil terminals. If the tank circuit "LC"= is tuned to resonance with the antenna oscillations, there will be oscil= lating current of the same frequency (radio-frequency) in this "closed" o= scillatory circuit. The oscillations in this circuit cause radio-frequenc= y variation of potential at the terminals of the condenser "C," that are = applied to the grid of the tube. Corresponding variations are therefore p= roduced. The radio-frequency variations of the plate current are, of cour= se, in step with the oscillations in the tank circuit "LC" and, therefore= , the oscillating e.m.f. induced in that circuit by the plate coil is als= o in step, providing the coils are connected in the proper manner. Some o= f the energy of the plate circuit oscillations are transferred or "fed ba= ck" to the tank circuit "LC." These oscillations in the tank circuit "LC"= are then reinforced and the potential variations across the condenser "C= " is also reinforced. This in turn reinforces the potential variations on= the grid. If the distance between the plate coil and the coil "L" is dec= reased it is said that the coupling between them is increased. If this co= upling is sufficiently increased radio-frequency oscillations are self-ge= nerated in the tank circuit "LC," whose frequency will depend upon the in= ductance of the coil "L" and the capacitance of condenser "C." An increas= e in either inductance or capacitance (or both) in this circuit will decr= ease the frequency of its oscillations. On the other hand, a decrease in = either or both will increase the frequency of the oscillations. = --------------E0C65B12F6B-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 20 07:42:44 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id HAA24358; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 07:37:38 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 07:37:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3269F394.6DE8@cyberportal.net> Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 05:40:36 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Moray Device Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wPSkA.0.Ry5.maZQo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/354 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Opps! Here is an easier to read text... From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 20 09:14:00 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id JAA10836; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 09:08:53 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 09:08:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <326B35E8.6E6@dove.mtx.net.au> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 01:35:52 -0700 From: Glenville Sawyer Organization: Outback Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Uranium Info References: <199610201111.VAA29150@tornado.netspace.net.au> <327326ab.38730080@mail.zip.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"o1ZyP.0.Cf2.JwaQo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/355 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Alan Schneider wrote: > > On Sun, 20 Oct 96, Ossie Callanan wrote: Major snip occurs - sorry Alan, want to home in on the relevant bit > Also, the original article was pretty specific about needing > a barium titanate transducer and barium ferrite magnet. > How does one tell if a ferrite magnet contains barium? > What are "normal" compositions for ferrite magnets? > From where can one source barium titanate > transducers? I was advised by a Pal invovlved in Marine Electronics that "B-T" is what the "fish-finder" and depth measuring transducers are made of / from .. you might like to see if this can be verified I know they are (or at least the old ones) were not a simple piezo type device. Anyway leave that with you Alan. P.S - Just WHAT is scheduled to happen in Sydney 2000 ? :>) :>) -- Best regards, Glenville T. Sawyer email #1: gsawyer@dove.net.au (primary & best address) Pages are at .. http://www.dove.net.au/~gsawyer/welcome.html MID-FM 87.6 +61 85 663600 , Outback Communications +61 85 663236 (Business Hrs phone calls ONLY) Lighting, Audio, Special Effects & Custom Software development (Theatre related - for both DOS & Windows ) Call NOW ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 20 11:21:59 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id LAA06980; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 11:17:29 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 11:17:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 11:17:20 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Adams motor In-Reply-To: <326008d7.18423631@mail.zip.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"-QuGe1.0.xi1.uocQo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/356 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Thu, 10 Oct 1996, Alan Schneider wrote: > On Thu, 10 Oct 1996 07:13:59 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: > > >> Does anyone know how magnetic lensing works, the concentration of a > >> magnetic fields using multiple coils ? > > > > > One may be able to distort the field with carefully placed bucking > fields - I think this is partly how picture geometry adjustment is > achieved in monitors and colour tv's. True! > > > >Concentration of fields is done with cores. Putting cores on either side > >of the high-field region, and making the high-field region a small gap in > >the core material, makes the field strong. Solid iron is bad if you're > >pulsing the field, since its conductivity acts as a shield, and the inside > >of the iron never gets any fields in it. > > > Interesting way of putting it. I believe the problem is actually due > to the circulating currents induced in the conductive core causing > heating of the core and thus wasting a proportion of your input > power. This happens too. But with an AC system, if the coil "thinks" that the iron core is hollow, the field in the gap will be much weaker than it would be if there was a laminated core there. This because the iron in the center of the core is not able to interact with the coil, so that central iron doesn't get to play a part in strengthening the field. Also, if you put one watt into a big coil, it will create a much larger field than if you put one watt into a small coil. (When doing this experiment, you can set the volts/amps to whatever the coil will tolerate, the only requirement is that the wattage be the same for both coils.) So, to reduce the inefficiency losses in a magnetic system, put more pounds of copper in the coils. It's a rule of thumb. > These induced currents will also generate their own > magnetic field which may buck the main field being generated > by the coil but I'm not sure about this point. Yes, the bucking fields cancel out the field inside the core, so the solid iron block "acts" as if it is a hollow shell magnetically. > I don't think it is as much of a problem with pulsed DC as it > is with AC but again, I could be wrong. Depends on frequency. 60hz sine wave may work OK on a particular core, while pulsed DC at 60HZ won't work at all, because the harmonics of the DC go way up into the hundreds of kilohertz, and the induced bucking-field effects are worse at higher frequency. Think of it this way: a single narrow pulse of DC is a very fast change, it is high frequency, and a conductive core acts more like an e/m shield than like a magnetic material. On the other hand, a single cycle of AC is very slow and broad in comparison to the spike of DC, and a conductive core has less induced currents in it because of the slowly changing AC current, so it acts more like magnetic material than like an e/m shield. > >Little-known rule: the strength of an electromagnet is proportional to the > >amount of wire, the total mass of wire. This is because the more wire, > >the cooler the coil runs, which means you can crank the current up more > >without damaging the coil from overheat. > > ??? As I understand it, the strength is directly proportional to > the product of the number of turns in your coil and the current > you are passing through it (ampere turns). This is true, but the *maximum* field is determined by how much heat the coil can tolerate. b=i*t is oversimplified theory, in a real coil you are limited by how much power you can push into the coil before the coil goes into meltdown. > The mass > relationship is secondary and is governed by the total length > of wire required to wind those turns and the wire gauge > required to pass the current without excessive heating from > resistive losses. I see the mass relationship as primary, because it sets the maximum field attainable in a real-world coil. b=i*t doesn't discuss wattage or field maximum, it implies that if you want higher field, you just increase the current or rewind the coil with finer wire (more turns per pound.) This doesn't work, because doing so will not change the maximum field that occurrs just below the coil burnout point. In truth, if you use MORE wire (regardless of wire diameter), the coil uses less watts to get the same field strength. This is a very strange, little-discussed rule in magnetics. Changing only the number of turns (and keeping total wire weight the same) does not change the maximum wattage allowed by a particular coil. Changing the turns simply changes the type of power supply required. You could wind a coil with one turn of 1" diameter copper bar, or you could wind a coil with maybe 50,000 turns of about #40 wire. Both will give the same field strength when driven with 50 watts. Of course one coil at 50watts will have immense current at low voltage, while the other coil has immense voltage at low current. So, varying the turns just varies the power supply type, it does not vary the max field strength, and does not vary the field strength per watt. Since the max field strength is determined by the max coil wattage allowed, adding more pounds to the wire goes far in increasing the possible field strength attainable. > > > >In hindsight this makes sense: big electromagnets are more powerful than > >small! Obvious, no? > > > >The type of wire also makes a difference, but usually no one talks about > >it, because copper is nearly the best, and the next better metal, silver, > >is too expensive. Big, silver-wound electromagnets would be best, but too > >silly! > > Too true. Of course superconductors would be even better but the > cost of the cryogenics would get totally ridiculous. When is some > bright spark going to develop a room temperature superconductor? Yeah! This reminds me: you can also make the maximum field strength of a coil much larger by using WATER COOLING. This might let you use a 50 watt coil at 500 watts without burnout. Or, you could wind a very small coil from narrow copper tubing and then be able to drive it as hard as you would a very large coil. Water cooling also reduces copper bulk resistivity a little, so it makes the coil overall have less energy loss. But this is only a small effect, so it's much more effective to just use more copper in your coil. ................................freenrg-L.................................... William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd Moderator: FREENRG-L VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 20 15:36:44 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id PAA25053; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 15:32:46 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 15:32:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 18:32:26 -0400 (EDT) From: George Elston To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Uranium Info In-Reply-To: <326B35E8.6E6@dove.mtx.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"FA3he2.0.H76.BYgQo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/357 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Mon, 21 Oct 1996, Glenville Sawyer wrote: > > Also, the original article was pretty specific about needing > > a barium titanate transducer and barium ferrite magnet. > > How does one tell if a ferrite magnet contains barium? > > What are "normal" compositions for ferrite magnets? > > From where can one source barium titanate > > transducers? > > I was advised by a Pal invovlved in Marine Electronics that > "B-T" is what the "fish-finder" and depth measuring transducers > are made of / from .. you might like to see if this can be verified > You might try Sensor Technologies Ltd. They produce a large line of piezi electric materials. They even have a web site at: http://www.sensortech.ca George gelston@gate.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 20 17:12:27 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id RAA13755; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 17:02:14 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 17:02:14 -0700 (PDT) From: RMCarrell@aol.com Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 20:01:34 -0400 Message-ID: <961020200133_547412240@emout17.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Uranium Info Resent-Message-ID: <"0s4t93.0.jM3.4shQo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/358 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: In a message dated 96-10-19 08:07:26 EDT, Alan Schneider contributed wisdom: > About 20 years ago I heard on a news broadcast that doctors >were claiming that overcooked meat (with surface charring) had > been shown to cause cancer. At that point I gave up believing >in such statements. Theory: carcinogens are usually mutagentic. Testing for mutagens on cells is faster and cheaper than epidemiological studies of mice, rats & humans. Most cooking processes, especially charring, produces mutagens. Under Delaney amendment, any chemical that is shown to produce cancer at any dose level in any animal must be reduced to undetectable levels in the environment/food/drink, etc. With tests able to detect parts per trillion, carcinogens are found everywhere. The environmental carcinogens that cause the most illnesses are in what you smoke and eat, and are thus controllable. Politics, Rampaging Elephants Theory Of: If I ask for your vote to protect you from rampaging elephants, you look about, see no elephants and conclude me mad. But if I promise to protect you from the infinitesimal probability of an unimaginable disaster, I can get your vote. Nature is nasty, and DNA is repairable: Plants wage chemical warfare on insetcs, animals and other plants and produce toxins which we eat. Caffine, for example, is the coffee plant's insecticide; it does things to the nervous systems of insects. Human cells have mechanisms to repair DNA damage from the toxins in food. If a cell divides before the damage is repaired, the damaged is replicated. Enough damage, and cancer can ensue. Tissues that divide a lot, like lungs, stomach & intestines are thus vulnerable. Don't smoke. > My personal opinion, for what it's worth, is that cancer is >primarily a stress related dysfunction and can be triggered > by physical injury or particulate or chemical contamination > BUT ONLY IF mental (psyche) stress is present at a high >enough level. Stress stresses the immune system in a big way, which is the main guard against casual cancer. >The "powers that be", with the active collaboration of the media, > seem to be engaged in an all-out effort to make the world seem >to be a far more dangerous place than it really is (if it was really >as dangerous as they seem to be making out, the human race >could never have gotten started at all, let alone survived as >long as we have). See Rampaging Elephants Theory of Politics above. Also, how many papers would you buy that reported pleasant tea parties and printed the names of all the people that commuted safely to work each day? In a very basic sense the world is a dangerous place. What we overlook is that homo sapiens is a very tough animal and it takes a certain amount of objective challenge to keep us focussed and in fighting trim. Otherwise we become problems to ourselves and pick fights with out brothers and sisters. What we don't need are the fearmongers and those who would feed on created fear and chaos. Contemplate the consequences of a genuine alien threat to Earth and the response of the human population to an external threat. > Just as an experiment, stop watching the idiot box (or > cretiniser, or one-eyed monster or whatever your favourite >epithet is for the beastly thing), stop reading papers except > when absolutely necessary, learn to totally ignore advertising >billboards and shop displays and listen to radio newscasts >as sparingly as possible. Spend some of the time you would >normally spend being a couch potato looking at natural >things (parks, woods etc). Get yourself some space to >(metaphorically, mentally) expand into instead of being >hemmed in, compressed, restricted by "noise". See if you >don't start feeling freer and less put upon after a week or >two of this. > Try to get yourself a little bit detached from the "problems" > and have a go at standing a few feet back of society. I'm > not advocating becoming a passive spectator (but isn't that > what we become when we glue ourselves in front of the > idiot box anyway?). What I'm trying to say is that we can > easily get too close to problems to be able to see the simple > and obvious solutions, and all the "noise" we cop from news > and advertising tends to have the effect of squashing our > face right into the "problem" so it becomes very difficult to > attain the degree of detachment that effective problem > solving requires. Excellent advice!! Mike Carrell From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 20 17:32:35 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id RAA20300; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 17:21:41 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 17:21:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <326A649A.4F7F@cyberportal.net> Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 13:42:50 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Running Moray Devices Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"P20rt2.0.5z4.K8iQo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/359 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I dare not say at this point if I do or do not have a running prototype up and running. I will say that it is feasible to power an electric car or your home with what I have posted to this group today. Almost anyone can build a working device with what I posted, using the information as a foundation. If I can do it, you can too. I know of at least one other person who has been sucessful with this natural, clean, healthy, abundant source of electricity. The choice is now yours... God Speed, Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 20 19:13:27 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id TAA12929; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 19:04:39 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 19:04:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610210204.MAA16693@tornado.netspace.net.au> To: "Bruce A. Perreault" Subject: Moray Device Date: Mon, 21 Oct 96 12:26:39 -0500 From: Ossie Callanan X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03 CC: "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" Resent-Message-ID: <"-pfAs1.0.v93.qejQo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/360 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: -- [ From: Ossie Callanan * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- Bruce, You wrote: > In Moray's electronic circuit there was a coil connected into the plate circuit of the Moray valve, >(transistor) so placed in relation to the grid coil, that a radio-frequency (6KHz.) oscillating current in >the plate circuit induced a radio-frequency e.m.f. in the circuit composed of the Grid coil and the >condenser connected across it. Are you saying that the coil in the plate circuit is across the anode and cathode and the coil in the grid circuit is across the grid and cathode. Both coils coupled together form a feedback path as used in traditional valve oscillator circuits. Ossie From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 20 21:00:03 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id UAA09722; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 20:56:40 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 20:56:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 11:55:44 +0800 (SGT) Message-Id: <2.2.16.19961021115855.213f4c58@po.pacific.net.sg> X-Sender: mpowers8@po.pacific.net.sg X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Mpower Subject: Available: PiezoElectric sensors Resent-Message-ID: <"GvPWf2.0.pN2.tHlQo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/361 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >On Mon, 21 Oct 1996, Glenville Sawyer wrote: > >> > From where can one source barium titanate >> > transducers? >> >> I was advised by a Pal invovlved in Marine Electronics that >> "B-T" is what the "fish-finder" and depth measuring transducers >> are made of / from .. you might like to see if this can be verified >> > You might try Sensor Technologies Ltd. They produce a large line of >piezi electric materials. They even have a web site at: >http://www.sensortech.ca You can also try: OYO Geospace (Houston, Texas, USA) Mark Products (Houston, Texas, USA) Western Geophysical (Houston also) Ask for their 'hydrophones" They probably don't want to sell them individually - you will probably need to buy several. They may be able to sell you some factory rejects which you can dissect to get the actual sensor. They will tell you that the natural frequency of these is on the order of 8 to 40 Hertz, but don't believe it. The actual 'crystal' is resonant at around 165 Khz (OYO MP24) but the configuration includes a stepdown transformer and capacitor for frequency response tailoring... If anyone wants single units, I can get them here in Singapore. But... $50 minimum, I'll pay shipping this end. pa ********************************************************** * http://home.pacific.net.sg/~mpowers8 ******** ********************************************************** From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 20 21:12:31 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id VAA12171; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 21:07:31 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 21:07:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <326AF820.1EA5@cyberportal.net> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 00:12:16 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Moray Device References: <199610210204.MAA16693@tornado.netspace.net.au> <326AF7D8.2E11@cyberportal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"F-5de.0._z2.1SlQo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/362 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Bruce A. Perreault wrote: > > Ossie Callanan wrote: > > > > -- [ From: Ossie Callanan * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- > > > > Bruce, > > > You wrote: > > In Moray's electronic circuit there was a coil connected into the > plate > circuit of the Moray valve,(transistor) so placed in relation to the > grid > coil, that a radio-frequency (6KHz.) oscillating current in the plate > circuit induced a radio-frequency e.m.f. in the circuit composed of the > Grid coil and the >condenser connected across it. > > Are you saying that the coil in the plate circuit is across the anode > and > cathode and the coil in the grid circuit is across the grid and cathode. > Both coils coupled together form a feedback path as used in traditional > valve oscillator circuits. > > Ossie > > Bruce's response: YES! > > T.H. Moray's Device was a 6kHz. INVERTER, using the solid-state > "Moray-Valve", > now called "transistor." > > This inverter was powered by his "Radiant Energy Valve." > > Edwin Gray used the same frequency for his inverters. These inverters > can power > light bulbs using 1/4 of the power required using 60Hz. > > Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 20 21:30:01 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id VAA17200; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 21:26:36 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 21:26:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 14:21:21 +1000 Message-Id: <199610210421.OAA29771@godzilla.zeta.org.au> X-Sender: jam@mail.zeta.org.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com From: jam@zeta.org.au (James) Resent-Message-ID: <"P27bu1.0.dC4.xjlQo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Unidentified subject! Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/363 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Does anyone know anything about turning radio transmitters into light(by increasing the carrier wave frequency.) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 20 22:02:01 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id VAA22818; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 21:59:20 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 21:59:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <326BF2B2.134A@triode.net.au> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 15:01:22 -0700 From: Max X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Uranium Info (cancer really) References: <961020200133_547412240@emout17.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"q0QwO1.0.Ma5.cCmQo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/364 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: RMCarrell@aol.com wrote: Professor Ray Carney at Uni of Sydney has shown that it takes more than just a carcinigen to cause the onset of cancer. You need inflamation as well as a carcinigen to cause cancer - thats with rats anyway. Either of them alone will not cause it. You need both. if you are diagnosed as having cancer and have it cut out then inflamation will result and PAF (platelet activation factor) is generated as the body begins healing itself. PAF is tumour promotor of dramatic proportions! If some cells remain, and that is almost always the case, then expect secondaries. I thought you would want to know that.... People I know who are still alive after havng the bone pointed at them by doctors have done it using meditation, prayer, organic whole raw foods, and other things like herbs and electrotherapy. But mainly its stress reduction and diet - particularly diet. Radiation, chemotherapy, and surgery ALL cause inflamation... The enzyme Bromelain, found in the core of the pineapple, will help reduce inflamation and help digest cancer cells. See http://triode.net.au/~max/ciss.html for more information. ------------- I see that keelynet are offering $1700 prizemoney for a working overunity machine. Any takers? see http://www.keelynet.com/ -------------- Does anyone have any information on efficient electronic flux-switching techniques? Cheers to all, Max. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 20 22:30:49 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id WAA27737; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 22:27:22 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 22:27:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 15:21:56 +1000 Message-Id: <199610210521.PAA31647@godzilla.zeta.org.au> X-Sender: jam@mail.zeta.org.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com From: jam@zeta.org.au (James) Subject: radiolight Resent-Message-ID: <"pcdAM3.0.In6.vcmQo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/365 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Does anyone know anything about turning radio transmitters into light(by increasing the carrier wave frequency.) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 21 02:56:39 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id CAA29417; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 02:53:14 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 02:53:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 03:52:59 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199610210952.DAA28995@inquo.net> X-Sender: katech#mail.inquo.net@SRV1 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Kent Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! Resent-Message-ID: <"1ZJ9v1.0.RB7.8WqQo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/366 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 02:21 PM 10/21/96 +1000, you wrote: >Does anyone know anything about turning radio transmitters into light(by >increasing the carrier wave frequency.) > > > well if you increase the carrier wave you change the medium used to transmit the signal entirely, simply stated you cut out all the RF mixing stages and either hook it to a light bulb, or drive some sort of gas discharge circuit. thereby modulating the light intensity this would be AM or amplitude modulation... you can also drive "modulate" the light Emitting device at a known frequency and modulate it that way. but as far as retuning the transmitter from the original design, sorry. Kent Andersen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 21 03:19:54 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id DAA01598; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 03:17:00 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 03:17:00 -0700 (PDT) From: alansch@zip.com.au (Alan Schneider) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! (light transmitters) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 10:17:08 GMT Message-ID: <326b4ce1.2715865@mail.zip.com.au> References: <199610210421.OAA29771@godzilla.zeta.org.au> In-Reply-To: <199610210421.OAA29771@godzilla.zeta.org.au> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99f/32.299 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <"DCgXc3.0.sO.RsqQo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/367 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Mon, 21 Oct 1996, James wrote: >Does anyone know anything about turning radio transmitters into light(by >increasing the carrier wave frequency.) > Sorry, mate, it's a bit beyond the current state of the art. We can barely manage millimetre wavelengths with radio transmitters. Light is at least three orders of=20 magnitude further down. We can generate heat as a byproduct but that's about as close as we can get. Cheers,=20 Alan =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Quantum Mechanics: The Dreams that Stuff is made of. - Michael Sinz =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 21 03:26:40 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id DAA02218; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 03:23:45 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 03:23:45 -0700 (PDT) From: alansch@zip.com.au (Alan Schneider) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Uranium Info Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 10:23:51 GMT Message-ID: <326d4e88.3138062@mail.zip.com.au> References: <199610201111.VAA29150@tornado.netspace.net.au> <327326ab.38730080@mail.zip.com.au> <326B35E8.6E6@dove.mtx.net.au> In-Reply-To: <326B35E8.6E6@dove.mtx.net.au> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99f/32.299 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <"v6aci3.0.UY.myqQo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/368 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Mon, 21 Oct 1996, Glenville wrote: [snip] > I was advised by a Pal invovlved in Marine Electronics that > "B-T" is what the "fish-finder" and depth measuring transducers > are made of / from .. you might like to see if this can be verified > > I know they are (or at least the old ones) were not a simple > piezo type device. > Thanks. I'll check 'em out. > > Anyway leave that with you Alan. > > > >P.S - Just WHAT is scheduled to happen in Sydney 2000 ? :>) :>) > Some strange pagan festivities called the Olympic Games. I believe they originated in Greece several milennia ago > [snip] Cheers all, Alan =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Quantum Mechanics: The Dreams that Stuff is made of. - Michael Sinz =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 21 03:28:15 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id DAA02437; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 03:25:02 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 03:25:02 -0700 (PDT) From: alansch@zip.com.au (Alan Schneider) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Uranium Info Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 10:24:53 GMT Message-ID: <326e4f42.3324280@mail.zip.com.au> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99f/32.299 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <"aSyio2.0.zb.yzqQo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/369 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Sun, 20 Oct 1996, George Elston wrote: > You might try Sensor Technologies Ltd. They produce a large line of >piezi electric materials. They even have a web site at: >http://www.sensortech.ca > Thanks for the hint, George. Cheers, Alan =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Quantum Mechanics: The Dreams that Stuff is made of. - Michael Sinz =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 21 06:33:41 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id GAA28711; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 06:28:30 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 06:28:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 15:28:45 GMT Message-Id: <199610211528.PAA10422@korovev.stm.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: j.hasslberger@agora.stm.it (Josef Hasslberger) Subject: Re: Antigrav for Real? Resent-Message-ID: <"v_wgn3.0.V07.zftQo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/370 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >> >> As to the Japanese experiment, a mechanical linkage to the measuring device >>was >> ultimately blamed for the apparent weight loss on the gyros. This report is >>no >> longer credible in the scientific community, from what I've read and heard. > >Thanks for verifying that. The japanese experiment was eventually re-done taking into account the points that were raised to invalidate it, and that the effect, even though small, was confirmed. It seems that the point that the experiment makes is that a gyro will cause an anti-gravity effect, if spinning in one direction but not if spinning in the other. A German experiment done later (but not published in scientific papers as far as I know) worked with much higher rpm of the gyro, up to the limit the material could stand, and found a much larger anti gravity effect. In the US, experiments were done by Don Kelly in Florida, not with gyros but with magnets and electromagnets as well as electrified coils, which were found to fall significantly slower than non-magnetic or non electrified reference materials. Of these last experiments, I have a summary description available, if anyone is interested. Cheers - Josef Josef Hasslberger, Rampa Brancaleone 25 - 00165 Rome - ITALY when you have nothing better to do, check out my homepage for philosophical views on physics, economy and new energy at http://www.agora.stm.it/J.Hasslberger From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 21 06:52:39 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id GAA01934; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 06:43:11 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 06:43:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610211343.GAA01893@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: 9512675@PoPMail.UL.IE X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: 9512675@UL.IE (T. SOLINAC) Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!(still unidentified) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 13:43:54 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: <"krVrF2.0.5U.kttQo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/371 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Does anyone know anything about turning radio transmitters into light(by >increasing the carrier wave frequency.) > > >what? there seems to be two understandings of what you are trying to do. Please could you explain. Which way round is it? Light as the carrier or light as the carried!? T. Solinac Ireland From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 21 06:59:40 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id GAA05162; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 06:55:36 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 06:55:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610211355.GAA05124@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: 9512675@PoPMail.UL.IE X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: 9512675@UL.IE (T. SOLINAC) Subject: Re: Antigrav for Real? Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 13:56:25 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: <"f0trs.0.UG1.N3uQo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/372 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >> >In the US, experiments were done by Don Kelly in Florida, not with gyros >but with magnets and electromagnets as well as electrified coils, which >were found to fall significantly slower than non-magnetic or non >electrified reference materials. Of these last experiments, I have a >summary description available, if anyone is interested. > >Cheers - Josef > >Josef Hasslberger, Rampa Brancaleone 25 - 00165 Rome - ITALY > >when you have nothing better to do, check out my homepage for philosophical >views on physics, economy and new energy at >http://www.agora.stm.it/J.Hasslberger > > >Hey!! I'm interested T.Solinac U of Lim Ireland > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 21 07:15:59 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id HAA08612; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 07:09:00 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 07:09:00 -0700 (PDT) From: MMcCoy@micro.honeywell.com (McCoy, Mark) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com (freenrg-l) Message-Id: <1996Oct21.091354.1650.350166@smtpmail.micro.honeywell.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail via PostalUnion/SMTP for Windows NT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 09:15:04 GMT Subject: Re: FW: FW: Perreault Tube Device Safet Resent-Message-ID: <"HJkuN3.0.S62.wFuQo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/373 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Alan wrote: > In the 1800's, Chimney Sweeps in London suffered extremely high rates of >scrotal cancer because of the PAH's in the soot and the fact that they >didn't regularly bathe. PAH's??? What are they? Sorry about that. PAH's are Polynuclear Aromatic Hydrocarbons, which are commonly produced by the incomplete combustion of organic matter. They happen to be particularly active biologically and cause cancer in lots of different animals, including people. By the way, you are right. The radium dial painters did lick their brushes to get a fine point for painting the numbers. They didn't know that ingesting the radium was a problem. Mark McCoy mmccoy@micro.honeywell.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 21 12:40:08 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id MAA02476; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 12:20:55 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 12:20:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Cantino Message-Id: <199610211919.PAA26937@big.seorf.ohiou.edu> Subject: Re: Antigrav for Real? To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 15:19:48 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <199610211355.GAA05124@mail.eskimo.com> from "T. SOLINAC" at Oct 21, 96 01:56:25 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Resent-Message-ID: <"1s12z3.0.Uc.LqyQo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/374 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > > >> > >In the US, experiments were done by Don Kelly in Florida, not with gyros > >but with magnets and electromagnets as well as electrified coils, which > >were found to fall significantly slower than non-magnetic or non > >electrified reference materials. Of these last experiments, I have a > >summary description available, if anyone is interested. > > > >Cheers - Josef > > > >Josef Hasslberger, Rampa Brancaleone 25 - 00165 Rome - ITALY > > > >when you have nothing better to do, check out my homepage for philosophical > >views on physics, economy and new energy at > >http://www.agora.stm.it/J.Hasslberger > > > > > >Hey!! I'm interested > > T.Solinac > U of Lim > Ireland > > > > Me too. -- ______ __ /\ _ \ /\ \ \ \ \L\ \ ___ \_\ \ _ __ __ __ __ __ \ \ __ \ /' _ `\ /'_` \/\`'__\/'__`\/\ \/\ \/\ \ \ \ \/\ \/\ \/\ \/\ \L\ \ \ \//\ __/\ \ \_/ \_/ \ \ \_\ \_\ \_\ \_\ \___,_\ \_\\ \____\\ \___x___/' \/_/\/_/\/_/\/_/\/__,_ /\/_/ \/____/ \/__//__/ ____ __ /\ _`\ /\ \__ __ \ \ \/\_\ __ ___\ \ ,_\/\_\ ___ ___ \ \ \/_/_ /'__`\ /' _ `\ \ \/\/\ \ /' _ `\ / __`\ \ \ \L\ \/\ \L\.\_/\ \/\ \ \ \_\ \ \/\ \/\ \/\ \L\ \ \ \____/\ \__/.\_\ \_\ \_\ \__\\ \_\ \_\ \_\ \____/ \/___/ \/__/\/_/\/_/\/_/\/__/ \/_/\/_/\/_/\/___/ Home page: http://www.seorf.ohiou.edu/~xx053/homepage.html E-Mail: ac817@seorf.ohiou.edu From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 21 13:26:38 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id NAA16044; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 13:13:53 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 13:13:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Guy Ricci Message-Id: <199610212012.QAA61680@hopi.gate.net> Subject: Re: Antigrav for Real? To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 16:12:07 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <199610211528.PAA10422@korovev.stm.it> from "Josef Hasslberger" at Oct 21, 96 03:28:45 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hy42q1.0.Yw3.zbzQo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/375 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > > The japanese experiment was eventually re-done taking into account the > points that were raised to invalidate it, and that the effect, even though > small, was confirmed. It seems that the point that the experiment makes is > that a gyro will cause an anti-gravity effect, if spinning in one direction > but not if spinning in the other. I guess science is a lot like real estate. The 3 most important things in real estate is location, location, location. The 3 most important things in science is replication, replication, replication. It seems to me that there is something going on here worth investigating. It does seem odd, though, that the direction of rotation makes a difference. Makes me think of the efforts to measure the ether wind. > > A German experiment done later (but not published in scientific papers as > far as I know) worked with much higher rpm of the gyro, up to the limit the > material could stand, and found a much larger anti gravity effect. Do you have any details on this one? > In the US, experiments were done by Don Kelly in Florida, not with gyros > but with magnets and electromagnets as well as electrified coils, which > were found to fall significantly slower than non-magnetic or non > electrified reference materials. Of these last experiments, I have a > summary description available, if anyone is interested. Yes, Josef, I'm sure many of us would be interested to learn more about it. This could have some bearing on achieving over-unity power generation, not to mention revolutionize transportation! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 21 15:27:56 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id PAA18952; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 15:11:49 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 15:11:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: 21 Oct 96 18:10:10 EDT From: Rick Monteverde <76216.2421@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Re: Antigrav for Real? Message-ID: <961021221009_76216.2421_HHB64-1@CompuServe.COM> Resent-Message-ID: <"sWwt33.0.-d4.XK_Qo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/376 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Josef Hasslberger writes: > The japanese experiment was eventually re-done taking into > account the points that were raised to invalidate it, and that > the effect, even though small, was confirmed. It seems that the > point that the experiment makes is that a gyro will cause an > anti-gravity effect, if spinning in one direction but not if > spinning in the other. > > A German experiment done later (but not published in > scientific papers as far as I know) worked with much higher > rpm of the gyro, up to the limit the material could stand, and > found a much larger anti gravity effect. > > In the US, experiments were done by Don Kelly in Florida, not > with gyros but with magnets and electromagnets as well as > electrified coils, which were found to fall significantly slower > than non-magnetic or non electrified reference materials. Of > these last experiments, I have a summary description > available, if anyone is interested. > > Cheers - Josef I'd be very interested in reviewing any references you have to any of these three claims, and the summary of the last one. I wondered if the Japanese experiment had come up null when the "linkage" was changed (this was claimed in other posts I've seen, but I haven't independently looked up this informatin at its source), and also if there had been other attempts at replication, as it would seem to be a fairly simple thing to do. Skeptics will dismiss out of hand anything that has once been shown to have a fundamental error in it, and it's very hard to 'rehabilitate' any such experiments after that. I understand that there are portable instruments for earth studies and mapping that can measure the value of g very accurately. Perhaps one of these should be used in the vicinity of the gyros or other apparatus instead of trying to weigh them. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 21 19:15:39 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id SAA03842; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 18:36:49 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 18:36:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0b36.32.19961022092805.006b197c@world.std.com> X-Sender: mica@world.std.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0b36 (32) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:28:09 -0400 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com From: Mitchell Swartz Subject: Re: (no subject) Cc: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"AHWyQ3.0.vx.dK2Ro"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/377 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Conny Ohstrom wrote: > > The only reason I am interested in testing one of these devices now is >that I believe that the radioactive decay can be shortened from hundreds >of >years to a few months, after which time the radioactive material [MAY] >be >rendered harmless. Which could save millions of lives, if not billions. > > >Bruce A. Perreault writes: > > Speeding up the decay process is called a "chain-reaction". This is >what >we want to avoid! This is when radiation becomes deadly! > > Ionizing radiation, depending upon the amount relative to background, and its penetrating character, can be deadly without a chain reaction. If the radiation is sufficiently penetrating then it can interact with DNA (a direct effect) or interact with H2O or O2 to make OH. which also interacts (and changes and destroys) DNA. The OH. (a free radical) can cause DNA base destruction, mutation, liberation, strand aggregation, strand dissolution, and secondary problems. The chain reaction is an uncontrolled reaction. So here is the best analogy I could come up with. Ionizing Radiation is to nuclear chain reaction as: Oxidation is to fire The latter two are "out of control"; the first with neutrons, the second with free radicals. Hope that might help. Mitchell Swartz (mica@world.std.com) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 21 21:43:32 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id VAA09585; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 21:10:20 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 21:10:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 23:08:05 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199610220408.XAA07795@fastlane.net> X-Sender: nikki@fastlane.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Bert Pool Subject: Re: Antigrav for Real? Resent-Message-ID: <"Km3052.0.aL2._Z4Ro"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/378 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 04:12 PM 10/21/96 -0400, you wrote: >> >> The japanese experiment was eventually re-done taking into account the >> points that were raised to invalidate it, and that the effect, even though >> small, was confirmed. It seems that the point that the experiment makes is >> that a gyro will cause an anti-gravity effect, if spinning in one direction >> but not if spinning in the other. > >I guess science is a lot like real estate. The 3 most important things in >real estate is location, location, location. The 3 most important things >in science is replication, replication, replication. It seems to me that >there is something going on here worth investigating. > >It does seem odd, though, that the direction of rotation makes a >difference. Makes me think of the efforts to measure the ether wind. > >> >> A German experiment done later (but not published in scientific papers as >> far as I know) worked with much higher rpm of the gyro, up to the limit the >> material could stand, and found a much larger anti gravity effect. > >Do you have any details on this one? > >> In the US, experiments were done by Don Kelly in Florida, not with gyros >> but with magnets and electromagnets as well as electrified coils, which >> were found to fall significantly slower than non-magnetic or non >> electrified reference materials. Of these last experiments, I have a >> summary description available, if anyone is interested. > >Yes, Josef, I'm sure many of us would be interested to learn more about >it. This could have some bearing on achieving over-unity power >generation, not to mention revolutionize transportation! > > > I personally witnessed the Don Kelly "drop" demonstration at the Energy Conference in Denver Colorado in 1993. His "precision" timer was a mechanical counter driven by a d.c. motor. It was not precise by any definition of the term. And the timer motor was supplied by the same power supply as the electromagnets - the electromagnets would have caused the sourde voltage to vary, causing the motor speed to vary, not a good setup for proving or disproving anything. When Richard Hull of Richmong Virginia replicated the experiment using precision electro-optical triggering methods to measure drop speed, NO anti-gravity effect was measured. As I recall, Hull's measurements were accurate to the nearest 1/10,000 of a second, several magnitudes of order more precise than anything Don Kelly ever dreamed of. Sloppy measurement techniques do not antigravity make. Bert From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 21 22:44:33 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id WAA00352; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 22:40:56 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 22:40:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 13:39:56 +0800 (SGT) Message-Id: <2.2.16.19961022134308.19e71140@po.pacific.net.sg> X-Sender: mpowers8@po.pacific.net.sg X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Mpower Subject: Re: Antigrav for Real? Resent-Message-ID: <"UbCpP2.0.E5.av5Ro"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/379 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 18:10 1996.10.21 EDT, you wrote: >Josef Hasslberger writes: > > > The japanese experiment was eventually re-done taking into > > account the points that were raised to invalidate it, and that > > the effect, even though small, was confirmed. It seems that the > > point that the experiment makes is that a gyro will cause an > > anti-gravity effect, if spinning in one direction but not if > > spinning in the other. > > > > A German experiment done later (but not published in > > scientific papers as far as I know) worked with much higher > > rpm of the gyro, up to the limit the material could stand, and > > found a much larger anti gravity effect. > > > > > > Cheers - Josef > >I understand that there are portable instruments for earth studies and mapping >that can measure the value of g very accurately. Perhaps one of these should be >used in the vicinity of the gyros or other apparatus instead of trying to weigh >them. > I may have 'access' in the next few weeks to the newest generation of gravity meter which one of my colleagues will be using in a geophysical survey. If anyone cares to provide some inexpensive ideas on how we could test the theory I will be able to give it a go and post documented results here.... This survey is taking place over the next few months in an extremely impoverished country, therefore I won't have access to such exotics as liquid nitrogen or industrial lasers. I will be limited to bringing basic handtools and electronic/electrical components such as I can fit into my luggage. I visualize constructing a hollow gyroscope and filling it with different materials, spinning it up to speed on a platform. I could then test 'G' underneath, above, and to the sides. any better ideas out there ???? pa ********************************************************** * http://home.pacific.net.sg/~mpowers8 ******** ********************************************************** From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 21 22:59:41 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id WAA03834; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 22:57:40 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 22:57:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199610220536.WAA27679@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 22:57:04 +0900 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: SEATTLE WEIRD SCIENCE: Dale Travous Art Show Today (fwd) Resent-Message-ID: <"n2euA2.0.ox.I96Ro"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/380 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 01:53 PM 10/19/96 -0600, you wrote: >On Sat, 19 Oct 1996, William Beaty wrote: >> Oops! I'll take freenrg-L off the list for these messages. >> >> .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. >> William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 >> EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ >> Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page >> >actually, your group activities are kindof a breath of FRESH AIR for those >of us working alone... nice to see group(s) working together on ANYTHING. >-=se=- i vote leave it on on-line :) > > > me too. the cross referencing is useful. it may stimulate others in other areas. ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 21 23:10:00 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id XAA06205; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 23:08:19 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 23:08:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199610220547.WAA28567@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 23:07:40 +0900 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Mandeville Subject: radioactive emitter source Resent-Message-ID: <"4uBvx.0.qW1.GJ6Ro"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/381 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: if you are looking for a pretty hot source, dilute radium can be acquired as "NORM" from those who handle it, naturally occuring radioactive material. NORM can be found in quantity in the oil country - Lousinana has many handlers, dump sites. It accumulates in oil pipes and tanks. It is a major disposal problem. So you get a material composed primarily of silicon oxides, iron oxides, and radium with trace amounts no doubt of a lot of other stuff. A geiger counter is all you need to find it in that country, and a phone book and a map. No doubt there is a lot of illegal dumping...it is one of those dirty little horror stories in that part of the world. ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 21 23:10:31 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id XAA06244; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 23:08:22 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 23:08:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199610220547.WAA28570@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 23:07:42 +0900 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: Run Gasoline engine on Brown's Gas? Resent-Message-ID: <"njhs1.0.JX1.KJ6Ro"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/382 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 03:27 PM 10/19/96 -0400, you wrote: >Contact Leonard Dahle of Clean Air Energy Systems. He's developed a device >for autos and trucks that uses injections of brown's gas and saves users fuel >and extends the life of engines. He can be reached at 503-761-7069. I do >not have an e-mail address. His snail mail address is 5208 SE 115th, >Portland, OR 97266. >Steve Kaplan > > i hope this is a good lead. i would appreciate it if anybody can report back on what Dahle is/has done. ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 22 04:28:40 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id EAA24747; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 04:27:34 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 04:27:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610221127.EAA24710@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: 9512675@PoPMail.UL.IE X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: 9512675@UL.IE (T. SOLINAC) Subject: Re: Antigrav for Real? Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 11:23:18 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: <"R7_m9.0.a26.b-ARo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/383 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > >I may have 'access' in the next few weeks to the newest generation of >gravity meter >which one of my colleagues will be using in a geophysical survey. > >If anyone cares to provide some inexpensive ideas on how we could test the >theory >I will be able to give it a go and post documented results here.... > >This survey is taking place over the next few months in an extremely >impoverished >country, therefore I won't have access to such exotics as liquid nitrogen or >industrial lasers. > >I will be limited to bringing basic handtools and electronic/electrical >components >such as I can fit into my luggage. > >I visualize constructing a hollow gyroscope and filling it with different >materials, spinning it up to speed on a platform. I could then test 'G' >underneath, above, and to the sides. > >any better ideas out there ???? >pa >********************************************************** >* http://home.pacific.net.sg/~mpowers8 ******** >********************************************************** > > >Would it be possible to post here more details on the gravity meter you may be able to use; principally its method of reading g with regards light, magnetism/ electronics etc.? What system does it use? There is always something that you are going to have to 'ignore' the negligible effects of in the result Would you make the actual gyroscope hollow from some polymer? __________________________ | T.Solinac 9512675 | |Erny............... | |MobyOrb(ital)UnderWorld | |@ University of Limerick, | |_______Ireland____________| From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 22 05:17:24 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id FAA02423; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 05:16:19 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 05:16:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 14:16:54 GMT Message-Id: <199610221416.OAA00877@korovev.stm.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: j.hasslberger@agora.stm.it (Josef Hasslberger) Subject: Re: Antigrav for Real? Resent-Message-ID: <"UGiFa2.0.gb.HiBRo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/384 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >>> >>In the US, experiments were done by Don Kelly in Florida, not with gyros >>but with magnets and electromagnets as well as electrified coils, which >>were found to fall significantly slower than non-magnetic or non >>electrified reference materials. Of these last experiments, I have a >>summary description available, if anyone is interested. >> >>Cheers - Josef >> >>Josef Hasslberger, Rampa Brancaleone 25 - 00165 Rome - ITALY >> >>when you have nothing better to do, check out my homepage for philosophical >>views on physics, economy and new energy at >>http://www.agora.stm.it/J.Hasslberger >> >> >>Hey!! I'm interested > >T.Solinac >U of Lim >Ireland >> OK, I'm posting the write-up to the list. Here it goes. - Josef Comments on Gravity Drop Tests performed by Donald A. Kelly of Clearwater, Florida Donald A. Kelly, an independent researcher and consultant to the Space Energy Association in Clearwater, Florida, has been performing, from 1991 onward, an impressive series of tests that measure the behavior of dropping weights in a magnetized or electrically energized state as opposed to their behavior in a non-magnetized (inert) state. Various forms of magnetization and electrical energization have been used: Permanent magnets arranged both horizontally and vertically on test plates, electromagnets, non-inductive "Hooper-type" windings, as well as a combination of permanent magnets with bifilar, non-inductive coils. The electric energization was achieved by direct current (12 Volt DC) as well as alternating current (12 Volt 60 Hertz AC). Kelly described his results in various reports (1). Work on these experiments is currently continuing with a view to investigating differences of behavior of dropping weights not only between DC current and 60 Hertz AC, but with various other frequencies and various wave forms of AC. The apparatus used is a rack with a mechanical release mechanism and two microswitches to activate a counter, as more closely described in Kelly's own reports. The results have shown a significant lengthening of measured drop times in the magnetic and/or energized state as compared to the inert/non-energized state of the weights (plates). The following is a summary of results described by Kelly. Note that drop times are measured in digital counter units, not in analog time. The counter units can be converted to seconds using a conversion factor of .00463. Energizing mode: Drop time inert Drop time energized Difference Difference (percent) Perm. magnet flat mount 068 080 12 + 17.6 % Perm. magnet vertical mount 084 122 38 + 45.2 % Electromagnets DC energized 084 112 28 + 33.3 % Noninductive winding DC energized 118 135 17 + 14.4 % Perm magnet core and noninductive winding DC energized 084 139 55 + 65.5 % Noninductive winding AC energized 118 159 41 + 34.7 % Electromagnets AC energized 084 150 66 + 78.6 % Perm magnet core and noninductive winding AC energized 084 153 69 + 82.1 % We see from these results that a significant and consistent lengthening of drop time has been recorded in all magnetic and/or energized test plates as compared with the inert/unenergized controls. No weight difference in stationary plates A check has been made to ascertain whether between the energized and unenergized modes of the test plates, there would be an observable weight change. No such change of weight between unenergized and energized modes was observed, measuring the weight of the plates, using an analog scale, noting the weight with and without connection to DC voltage. Motion or acceleration? The observed unequivocal lengthening of "travel time" of the test plates suggests that some interaction is occurring between a moving magnetic and/or electrical field and a "gravitational field" or a "space background". The interaction is null as long as the test plates are stationary. A question now arises: Is the observed effect a consequence of motion or is it connected with acceleration? The importance of this question might not be immediately obvious, so I shall try to explain. If we are dealing with a resistance to acceleration, we are witnessing an increase of inertial mass of the test object, determined by an electric and/or magnetic phenomenon, but without a corresponding increase in gravitational mass. This would be a phenomenon that is present without regard to motion as such; it would not be measurable unless the object is subjected to acceleration, regardless whether the acceleration is induced by earth gravity or by some other means. If, on the other hand, we are dealing with a resistance to motion, we have to ask ourselves: resistance to motion against what? A resistance to motion would infer resistance against "changing of place" in relation to a (stationary) field or background. This could be a gravitational field or a background of space (ether) thought of as a kind of stationary grid system, stationary with regard to planet earth in this case. A third possibility would be to hypothesize that the motion of the energized or magnetized test plates in some way decreases the influence of gravity on the plates, actually leading to a change in weight (lightening) of the test plates only while in motion. This seems more unlikely, because a lighter test plate would not show such a large difference in drop time compared to a heavier but equally sized plate, as that shown in the experiments. Conclusion Whatever the force involved will eventually turn out to be, Kelly has made a discovery that must stimulate us to re-think some of the basics of physics in order to explain what is the mechanism responsible for the "abnormal" behavior of magnetized and/or otherwise energized plates. I hope that this pioneering research will help shake contemporary physics out of its complacent lethargic attitude and initiate a wave of fresh thought that will lead to some real progress in magnetic propulsion, anti-gravity and more generally in space power generation applications. Josef Hasslberger Rome, 25 April 1994 References: 1) "The gravity drop test connection to space energy conversion" by Donald A. Kelly (Paper submitted to the International Symposium on New Energy, Denver, Colorado May 1994) "Gravity drop experiments" by Donald A. Kelly (Planetary Association for Clean Energy Newsletter, Vol. 7 No. 1) "Gravity drop experiments" by Donald A. Kelly (Magnets in your future, Vol. 7 No. 10, October 1993) Josef Hasslberger, Rampa Brancaleone 25 - 00165 Rome - ITALY when you have nothing better to do, check out my homepage for philosophical views on physics, economy and new energy at http://www.agora.stm.it/J.Hasslberger From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 22 06:15:47 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id GAA11065; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 06:13:54 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 06:13:54 -0700 (PDT) X400-Received: by mta bnr.ca in /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:10:05 -0400 X400-Received: by /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:09:19 -0400 X400-Received: by /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:09:00 -0400 Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:09:00 -0400 X400-Originator: /dd.id=1034651/g=gene/i=g/s=batten/@bnr.ca X400-MTS-Identifier: [/PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/;bcars735.b.064:22.09.96.13.09.19] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Re: Run Gasol... From: "gene (g.) batten" Sender: "gene (g.) batten" Message-ID: <"21119 Tue Oct 22 09:09:34 1996"@bnr.ca> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Run Gasoline engine on Brown's Gas? Resent-Message-ID: <"aFXqm1.0.oi2.GYCRo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/385 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I called Mr. Dahle yesterday (Monday), at the number listed below, and left a message on his answering machine. I will try again today. When I get a response, I will post it here. Is anyone else "out there" working with Brown's Gas? I bought a BN-200 generator and have been "playing around" with it for a couple of weeks now. So far, it seems that many of the claims about this gas are true. I am especially interested in running an internal combustion engine on Brown's Gas. I tried venting the output of the BN-200 into the intake of an 8 HP Briggs and Stratton engine. After all the gasoline burnied out of the carbeurator, the engine continued to run roughly on the BGas until the BN-200 ran out of BGas. The BN-200 produces only 200 literes per hour of BGas. Based on this little experiment, I think I will need at least a 600+ liter per hour BGas generator to supply enough BGas to run an 8 HP engine. I have plans to build a larger BGas generator. I will post results here as I progress with this project. I would welcome e-mail from others who are working with Brown's Gas. Post messages here or e-mail me directly. Gene Batten Research Triangle Park, N.C. mdleb@nortel.ca In message "Run Gasoline engine on Brown's Gas?", you write: > At 03:27 PM 10/19/96 -0400, you wrote: > >Contact Leonard Dahle of Clean Air Energy Systems. He's developed a device > >for autos and trucks that uses injections of brown's gas and saves users fuel > >and extends the life of engines. He can be reached at 503-761-7069. I do > >not have an e-mail address. His snail mail address is 5208 SE 115th, > >Portland, OR 97266. > >Steve Kaplan > > > > > > i hope this is a good lead. i would appreciate it if anybody can report > back on what Dahle is/has done. > ____________________________________ > MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing > Michael Mandeville, publisher > mwm@aa.net > http://www.aa.net/~mwm > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 22 06:57:05 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id GAA21645; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 06:54:33 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 06:54:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <326CCA54.2E13@cyberportal.net> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:21:24 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: radiation safety... References: <3.0b36.32.19961022092805.006b197c@world.std.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"UshxI.0.5I5.N8DRo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/386 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Mitchell Swartz wrote: If the radiation is sufficiently penetrating then it can interact with DNA (a direct effect) or interact with H2O or O2 to make OH. which also interacts (and changes and destroys) DNA. The OH. (a free radical) can cause DNA base destruction, mutation, liberation, strand aggregation, strand dissolution, and secondary problems. Bruce A. Perreault's response: To begin with natural radioactive ore emits 99.97% alpha particles. Alpha particles are charged helium atoms. Helium is chemically inert. Furthermore, the penetration power of alpha particles is extremely low at any concentration. The human epiderma is an effective barrier to an alpha particle. I can not beleive the reponse that I have gotten from my people who I thought were my peers. The Moray device is either being ignored or labeled harmful. I will not sit here and defend the safety issues of this device any further. Now I know the Hell that T.H. Moray went through. I am going to go back and hide in my woodwork. When this device disappears from sight you have the reason. Maybe the human race will be ready in about 2000 years! One last note before I sign off. Madame Curie did not die from exposure from radiation. Get off the computer, go to a good University Library and look up books on the Curies before the A-BOMB era. Begin with: THE UNIVERSITY OF KNOWLEDGE WOUNDER BOOKS MYSTERIES OF PHYSICS AND CHEMISTRY by M. ALDEN COUNTRYMAN, B.S. (E.e.), m.s., Ph. D. and associates Copyrighted in 1938 revised 1940 & 1941 Read pages 115-116, For forty years Madame Curie suffered from what her doctors called "chronic overwork." She was seriously afflicted with anemia, "probably" as result to her constant exposure to "deadly radium." The physical evidence points to lack of sleep, poor eating habits and Michell Swartz's point about unclean conditions... GOD SPEED, Mr. Bruce A. Perreault HAPPY TRAILS! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 22 07:10:25 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id HAA25221; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 07:06:55 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 07:06:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <326CCD24.2B6@cyberportal.net> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:33:24 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: correction Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ikxt6.0.-96.wJDRo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/387 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Michael Mandeville made the comment: "Eastern European hygiene? Yucko," Sorry, Michell Swartz, Michael and Michell got confused. May be all this radiation making me "go blind." BYE FOLKS! THAT'S ALL... From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 22 07:48:54 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id HAA04622; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 07:42:42 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 07:42:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 16:36:48 +0200 Message-Id: <199610221436.QAA08975@atom.bbtt.com> X-Sender: harti@bbtt.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net From: harti@bbtt.de (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Moray and your Perrault radient energy tubes... Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-Message-ID: <"j_832.0.781.SrDRo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/388 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi, I just received a call from a friend ROLFEISEN@AOL.COM who ordered infos, circuit diagrams and your radient energy tube. He only got 2 manuals from you with almost no "real" building informations and you charged him 75 US$ and stated, that your tube is no longer= available. So, what are you really selling now ? He now feels a little bit "screwed" by you.. Did you write the article, which is on Keelynet and Bill Beaty=B4=B4s WEB= site=20 with all the offers to build a working Moray type radient energy tube ? Where is the real info to build a working Moray device with all the= parameters ? Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany NEUE Nummern : Tel: ++ 4930-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 4930-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.de harti@bbtt.de Web site: http://www.harti.de Webmaster of: http://www.detours.de Have a look at the future: http://www.overunity.de My favourite ladies on the WEB: http://www.nylon-fetish.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 22 08:30:22 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id IAA15640; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 08:27:16 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 08:27:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <326CE7BB.162@cyberportal.net> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 11:26:51 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Moray Booklets References: <199610221436.QAA08975@atom.bbtt.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"c4Z1n2.0.Eq3.IVERo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/389 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: The Moray manuscript alone is worth at least $100 !!! I can not understand why the Radiant Energy Device can not be reconstructed from my guide. I have revised it at least ten times over! I have given away my lifes work and I get this? You can expect that I will be pulling my web page in a few days! I will not go through what Moray went through! Mr. Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 22 09:06:44 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id IAA24863; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 08:58:15 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 08:58:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610221509.IAA26512@dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Chuck Humphrey" Organization: NextGeneration Software To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:08:38 -9:00 Subject: Re: Moray and your Perrault radient energy tubes... Reply-to: next-gen@ix.netcom.com CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Resent-Message-ID: <"aLxwZ.0.J46.KyERo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/390 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I just received a call from a friend ROLFEISEN@AOL.COM who ordered infos, circuit diagrams and your radient energy tube. He only got 2 manuals from you with almost no "real" building informations and you charged him 75 US$ and stated, that your tube is no longer available. So, what are you really selling now ? He now feels a little bit "screwed" by you.. Did you write the article, which is on Keelynet and Bill Beaty''s WEB site with all the offers to build a working Moray type radient energy tube ? Where is the real info to build a working Moray device with all the parameters ? Regards, Stefan. Stefan! I too have been deceived by th Perrault information. Like your friend, I purchased the information in response to an ad in the Tesla Society Magazine.. I too was led to believe that the material offered building instructions. After investing a lot of time and about 700.00 and several converstions with Bruce Perrault, I had to finally sign a nondisclosure statement with a third party in order to eventally learn from Bruce that the device described in the material I purchased HAD NEVER BEEN BUILT nor was it the device he did build. I feel I was being used as guinny pig to test his theory which could never really work. I am not just dissapointed, but feel ripped off. If the material he sells would have been marketed as a proposal to help discover a device that might work, then I for one would have never participated. I wound up with a lot of zinc, iron PVC tubes, vacuum pumps, filters and assorted tubing. I later sold off the bulk of that experiment and have since been very careful about which projects I get involved with. I am posting this to warn others before they invest a lot of time building something that does not work. Chuck Humphrey From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 22 09:17:20 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id JAA27492; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:08:16 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:08:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 00:05:10 +0800 (SGT) Message-Id: <2.2.16.19961023000824.2447b688@po.pacific.net.sg> X-Sender: mpowers8@po.pacific.net.sg X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Mpower Subject: Re: Antigrav for Real? Resent-Message-ID: <"d_Xid2.0.Tj6.h5FRo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/391 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 11:23 1996.10.22 +0000, T. SOLINAC wrote: >> >>I may have 'access' in the next few weeks to the newest generation of >>gravity meter >>which one of my colleagues will be using in a geophysical survey. >> >>If anyone cares to provide some inexpensive ideas on how we could test the >>theory >>I will be able to give it a go and post documented results here.... >> >>This survey is taking place over the next few months in an extremely >>impoverished >>country, therefore I won't have access to such exotics as liquid nitrogen or >>industrial lasers. >> >>I will be limited to bringing basic handtools and electronic/electrical >>components >>such as I can fit into my luggage. >> >>I visualize constructing a hollow gyroscope and filling it with different >>materials, spinning it up to speed on a platform. I could then test 'G' >>underneath, above, and to the sides. >> >>any better ideas out there ???? >>pa >>********************************************************** >>* http://home.pacific.net.sg/~mpowers8 ******** >>********************************************************** >> >> >>Would it be possible to post here more details on the gravity meter you may >be able to use; principally its method of reading g with regards light, >magnetism/ electronics etc.? What system does it use? >There is always something that you are going to have to 'ignore' the >negligible effects of in the result >Would you make the actual gyroscope hollow from some polymer? > __________________________ > | T.Solinac 9512675 | > |Erny............... | First: I don't know the guts of the thing - I'll investigate. Second - in my industry we don't buy results buried in signal/noise ratio. If there is any demonstrable effect, it needs to punch us in the face. We don't waste time chasing anything less than 1%. I have an idea about mounting a wheel on an axle and providing a bolted-down tire as the hollow space for placing different materials. getting someone to injection-mould a plastic wheel is a bit out of my budget. (last time I checked, it cost app $6000 for the first unit, whatever it might be...) pa ********************************************************** * http://home.pacific.net.sg/~mpowers8 ******** ********************************************************** From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 22 10:41:27 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id KAA21151; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 10:37:51 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 10:37:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 12:28:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19961022122822.2e07c584@pop.mymail.net> X-Sender: sunbrite@pop.mymail.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: MICHAEL C SLIVINSKI Subject: Re: Moray Booklets Resent-Message-ID: <"M6U2O.0.LA5.jPGRo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/393 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Sir, Why would you pull your Web page due to one persons response that was unfavorable. If the person has or has not a reasonable objection, would it serve yours/theirs/ and us on this posting if you just responded publicly or privately to resolve the issue. It might be just a misunderstanding or perhaps if you have had other complaints/responses, then maybe it needs another revision. But.. setting yourself up as being a victim or martyr like Moray might be premature. I don't believe it's an attack on you, maybe it was and the posting could have been put more delicately. But... I am sure others appreciate you efforts and what you hqave to share. Thanks, Not and un-biased observer. Thank Mike S. p.s. An aspect of this work is to not let our frustrations overwhelm us, some of this work requires dicipline of mind and heart, ask others on here! Please find out the specifics of the complaint 11:26 AM 10/22/96 -0400, you wrote: >The Moray manuscript alone is worth at least $100 !!! > >I can not understand why the Radiant Energy Device can not be >reconstructed from my guide. I have revised it at least ten >times over! > >I have given away my lifes work and I get this? > >You can expect that I will be pulling my web page in a few days! >I will not go through what Moray went through! > >Mr. Bruce A. Perreault > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 22 10:44:25 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id KAA21353; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 10:38:44 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 10:38:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <326D068C.1D7E@cyberportal.net> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 13:38:20 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: ANNOUCEMENT! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bWKgo.0.SD5.XQGRo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/394 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: My web page will no longer provide booklets or information open to the general public. This web page will serve peers working with radiant energy devices. Researchers dedicated to this source of energy are welcome! All others will be ignored. I will not waste my time with negative results. It is time to move on to a more positive note... Warmest regards to ALL! Bruce A. Perreault P.S. See updated web page: http://www.angelfire.com/nh/nuenergy From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 22 11:11:42 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id LAA27318; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 11:02:21 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 11:02:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <326D0BE8.1281@cyberportal.net> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 14:01:12 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com, sunbrite@mymail.net Subject: Re: Michael C. Slivin's Wisdom References: <1.5.4.16.19961022122822.2e07c584@pop.mymail.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ANP_M1.0.hg6.gmGRo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/395 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I may be a bit over sensitive. These last few days have been very trying. I thank you for your words of wisdom. I am working on yet another revised version of the guide. I will not offer it publically. I feel this has left my wide open. I have decided not to give up all together. I will simply have to learn to ignor the negative and respond to the light... Warm regards, Bruce From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 22 12:01:03 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id LAA08594; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 11:49:50 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 11:49:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Kap808@aol.com Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 14:46:07 -0400 Message-ID: <961022144606_1645093022@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Run Gasoline engine on Brown's Gas? Resent-Message-ID: <"Sc_0O3.0.562.uSHRo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/396 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Please send me your snail mail address and I'll send you whatever information I have on the brown's gas system developed by Dahl. Steve Kaplan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 22 12:17:54 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id MAA12409; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 12:06:29 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 12:06:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 20:06:52 +0200 Message-Id: <199610221806.UAA01787@atom.bbtt.com> X-Sender: harti@bbtt.de (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net From: harti@bbtt.de (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: Moray Booklet from B. Perreault... Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, ROLFEISEN@AOL.COM Resent-Message-ID: <"4YYYo3.0.l13.PiHRo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/397 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >The Moray manuscript alone is worth at least $100 !!! > Well Rolf Eisenmann ROLFEISEN@AOL.COM told me it is just a historical review of Moray, but not much info at all, how to build a Moray device, and he expected a lot more info from you about that. >I can not understand why the Radiant Energy Device can not be >reconstructed from my guide. I have revised it at least ten=20 >times over! > >I have given away my lifes work and I get this? I cannot comment on this. I have not seen the booklet. Rolf Eisenmann was just dissapointed what he got from you.... He wanted to rebuild such a device... > >You can expect that I will be pulling my web page in a few days! >I will not go through what Moray went through!=20 > >Mr. Bruce A. Perreault > Well, if your infos you sell are too hard to understand or do not contain the infos the people wish to have, better pull your page...or at least don=B4t sell anything anymore... Maybe you can build one yourself and show the world a running machine ! If you have one running, then there will be many TV-reporters at your door happily reviewing it....and you will be famous soon ! Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany NEUE Nummern : Tel: ++ 4930-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 4930-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.de harti@bbtt.de Web site: http://www.harti.de Webmaster of: http://www.detours.de Have a look at the future: http://www.overunity.de My favourite ladies on the WEB: http://www.nylon-fetish.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 22 12:38:44 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id MAA17856; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 12:28:48 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 12:28:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Cantino Message-Id: <199610221928.PAA23811@big.seorf.ohiou.edu> Subject: Wormhole To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com (freenrg) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 15:28:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Resent-Message-ID: <"RBFK6.0.qM4.j1IRo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/399 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: ---Wormhole (teleportation) creation--- Diagram one: ----------- - - - EARTH - - 1 - _____________ - - ___________________SPACE-TIME_________ \ - 2 - / \ ----------- / \______________/ An object at position (1) can move to position (2) through a hole in space-time. The object would be traveling down into the Earth's dip in the space-time, so the object would be self propelled. An object at position (2) could only get to position (1) by propelling itsself. Diagram two: ----------------------------------------- --------------___________________-------- \ -------------/ \------- \ Bent space-time --> ------------/1 /---------------\2 \------ \ ----------------------------------------- (1) has a direct connection to (2) through space-time. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 22 18:34:41 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id SAA21512; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 18:28:29 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 18:28:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 18:28:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610230128.SAA03326@claim.goldrush.com> X-Sender: crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wesly crosiar Subject: Re: Run Gasoline engine on Brown's Gas? Resent-Message-ID: <"82p1o.0._F5.yINRo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/400 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 02:46 PM 10/22/96 -0400, you wrote: >Please send me your snail mail address and I'll send you whatever information >I have on the brown's gas system developed by Dahl. Steve Kaplan > > > crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM THANKS WES WESLEY CROSIAR PO BOX 268 SAN ANDREAS, CA. 95249 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 22 20:43:43 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id UAA25012; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 20:40:18 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 20:40:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199610230320.UAA32557@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 20:39:36 +0900 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: Run Gasoline engine on Brown's Gas? Resent-Message-ID: <"TPyCJ.0.i66.WEPRo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/401 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 02:46 PM 10/22/96 -0400, you wrote: >Please send me your snail mail address and I'll send you whatever information >I have on the brown's gas system developed by Dahl. Steve Kaplan > > You bet: Michael Mandeville 22025 NE Redmond Fall City Road Redmond, WA 98053 ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 23 00:23:02 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id MAA15079; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 12:17:50 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 12:17:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Cantino Message-Id: <199610221915.PAA22795@big.seorf.ohiou.edu> Subject: Spinning MAgnet To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com (freenrg) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 15:15:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Resent-Message-ID: <"Nh_pv.0.Vh3.LtHRo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/398 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Does anyone know what would happen if I spun a strong magnet very fast. At some speed the fields should cross and create a two-way magnet. Has anyone tryed this? Andrew Cantino -- Home page: http://www.seorf.ohiou.edu/~xx053/homepage.html E-Mail: ac817@seorf.ohiou.edu From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 23 02:44:44 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id JAA02546; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:27:33 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:27:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <326CF5DD.2FBA@cyberportal.net> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 12:27:09 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com CC: huish@zenergy.com Subject: Re: Perreault Tubes... References: <199610221509.IAA26512@dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5e84a.0.cd.pNFRo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/392 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Stefan! >I too have been deceived by th Perrault information. Like your >friend, I purchased the information in response to an ad in the Tesla >Society Magazine.. I too was led to believe that the material >offered building instructions. After investing a lot of time and >about 700.00 and several converstions with Bruce Perrault, I had to >finally sign a nondisclosure statement with a third party in order to >eventally learn from Bruce that the device described in the material >I purchased HAD NEVER BEEN BUILT nor was it the device he did build. >Mr. Perreault responds: >I will check with Mr. Reed Huish as to the details of this "nondisclosure statent," >if I am correct you are in breach of contract! In which case you and your company >will see Zenergy and myself in court... > I feel I was being used as guinny pig to test his > theory which could never really work. I am not just dissapointed, > but feel ripped off. If the material he sells would have been > marketed as a proposal to help discover a device that might work, > then I for one would have never participated. I wound up with a lot > of zinc, iron PVC tubes, vacuum pumps, filters and assorted tubing. > Mr. Perreault responds: The device works! I have a prototype in an undisclosed location. If we go to court you will be assured of this reality... > Mr. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 23 03:26:06 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id DAA19784; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 03:25:31 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 03:25:31 -0700 (PDT) From: rvanspaa@netspace.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Run Gasoline engine on Brown's Gas? Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 10:25:25 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <3270ee45.39088193@mail.netspace.net.au> References: <"21119 Tue Oct 22 09:09:34 1996"@bnr.ca> In-Reply-To: <"21119 Tue Oct 22 09:09:34 1996"@bnr.ca> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99f/32.299 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <"maBWE3.0.1r4.PAVRo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/403 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:09:00 -0400 , gene (g.) batten wrote: [snip] >I will need at least a 600+ liter per hour BGas generator to supply >enough BGas to run an 8 HP engine. I have plans to build a larger BGas >generator. I will post results here as I progress with this project.=20 [snip] Gene, I wonder if you could tell us what pressure the BG is at? Regards, Robin van Spaandonk -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Check out: http://netspace.net.au/~rvanspaa for how CF depends on=20 temperature. Man is the creature that comes into this world knowing everything, Learns all his life, And leaves knowing nothing. -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 23 03:35:14 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id UAA25687; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 20:42:35 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 20:42:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0b36.32.19961023113206.006bb194@world.std.com> X-Sender: mica@world.std.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0b36 (32) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 11:37:23 -0400 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com From: Mitchell Swartz Subject: Re: radiation safety... Cc: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"roVqZ3.0.EH6.gGPRo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/402 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Bruce, At 09:21 AM 10/22/96 -0400, you wrote: >Mitchell Swartz wrote: > >If the radiation is sufficiently penetrating then it can interact >with DNA (a direct effect) or interact with H2O or O2 to make OH. >which also interacts (and changes and destroys) DNA. >The OH. (a free radical) can cause DNA base destruction, >mutation, liberation, strand aggregation, strand dissolution, >and secondary problems. > >Bruce A. Perreault's response: > >To begin with natural radioactive ore emits 99.97% alpha particles. >Alpha particles are charged helium atoms. Helium is chemically inert. >Furthermore, the penetration power of alpha particles is extremely >low at any concentration. The human epiderma is an effective barrier >to an alpha particle. 92Uranium238 constitutes most ore, and it also has 48 keV gammas coming off it in conjunction with the 4.195 MeV alpha particles which constitute about ~77% of its decomposition. The other less abundant isotopes of uranium also have alpha emissions (and spontaneous fission) accompanied by gammas of energies 50 to >500 keV. These are penetrating ionizing radiation. ================================================== > >I can not beleive the reponse that I have gotten from my people who >I thought were my peers. The Moray device is either being ignored or >labeled harmful. I will not sit here and defend the safety issues of >this device any further. Now I know the Hell that T.H. Moray went >through. I am going to go back and hide in my woodwork. When this >device disappears from sight you have the reason. Maybe the human race >will be ready in about 2000 years! > >One last note before I sign off. Madame Curie did not die from exposure >from radiation. Get off the computer, go to a good University Library >and look up books on the Curies before the A-BOMB era. > >Begin with: THE UNIVERSITY OF KNOWLEDGE WOUNDER BOOKS > > MYSTERIES OF PHYSICS AND CHEMISTRY by > M. ALDEN COUNTRYMAN, B.S. (E.e.), m.s., Ph. D. > and associates > > Copyrighted in 1938 > > > revised 1940 & 1941 > > >Read pages 115-116, For forty years Madame Curie suffered from what her >doctors >called "chronic overwork." She was seriously afflicted with anemia, >"probably" >as result to her constant exposure to "deadly radium." The physical >evidence >points to lack of sleep, poor eating habits and Michell Swartz's point >about >unclean conditions... > > >GOD SPEED, Mr. Bruce A. Perreault >HAPPY TRAILS! > > If you have information which disproves some of the general teachings at to uranium toxicity then I would be very interested in reading your literature and examining this closer. However, it is generally believed that uranium is toxic. The LD50 in rats is ~36 mg/kg. Given that, the real issue is the ratio of what level it is to the normal background. Uranium is already in the normal background in humans at a level of .00016-.0007 ppm in bone, and higher in the liver (~.003 ppm). An adult might have 0.1 mg in his/her? 70kg mass. Uranium dietary intake is purportedly .001-.002 mg from uranium background in our foods. BTW I was not trying to discourage research, or your examining or developing such devices; remain of open mind about this and would be willing to examine your device further. Have just been suggesting normal diligence and caution in these matters which would seem to be prudent. Best wishes. Mitchell Swartz From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 23 04:46:29 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id EAA02448; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 04:45:51 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 04:45:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 13:44:13 +0200 Message-Id: <199610231144.NAA03516@atom.bbtt.com> X-Sender: harti@bbtt.de (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net From: harti@bbtt.de (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: Perreault Tubes... Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-Message-ID: <"u2eb13.0.5c.kLWRo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/404 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >> Mr. Perreault responds: >The device works! I have a prototype in an undisclosed location. If we >go to >court you will be assured of this reality...=20 > >> Mr. Perreault Well, why don=B4t you show it to TV-reporters and interested people, if it really works ?? Why are you hidding it ? You would be instantly famous and the footage of your working device would be broadcasted around the world... Go for it, if your words are true ! Just my point of view... Maybe you don=B4t have a good Public Relations department ??? :) Best regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany NEUE Nummern : Tel: ++ 4930-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 4930-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.de harti@bbtt.de Web site: http://www.harti.de Webmaster of: http://www.detours.de Have a look at the future: http://www.overunity.de My favourite ladies on the WEB: http://www.nylon-fetish.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 23 06:53:30 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id GAA25281; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 06:51:34 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 06:51:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <326E22BA.3E9E@cyberportal.net> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 09:50:50 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ROLFEISEN@aol.com CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Moray Booklet References: <961022191849_1946296736@emout01.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OJbqC3.0.tA6.ZBYRo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/405 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: ROLFEISEN@aol.com wrote: Hello Mr. Hartmann, Hello Mr. B. Perreault, The guide contains everything needed to build a radiant energy generator. I am not Radio Shack or Heathkits! I do not sell tubes because they are not perfected. I update my guide as new data is received. It is a reasearch tool and it is not a construction manual. If the device works, and all the specifications you said are true, I`ll write an article on the Internet to suggest everyone to buy the device or the guide. I always want to rebuilt the device, but the information is very "thin" I should say. A. You can rebuild the device! If you are a mechanical engineer then redraw my drawings to specs. Share your talent. I am not a mechanical enegineer. I am a radiant energy researcher. God, stop complaining and offer me a helping hand. My talent is building the prototypes. Help me make the designs clear. Sorry, but may be the problem is that I am a mechanical engineer and not an electronic engineer. A mechanical engineer thinks to get accurate drawings (CAD), real calculations, parts list and so on... Best Regards Rolf Eisenmann Bruce A. Perreault writes: P.S. I can not ship radioactive tubes! Think about the response from this group. Their response is mild... From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 23 06:55:51 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id GAA25923; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 06:54:02 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 06:54:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 08:53:16 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199610231353.IAA02305@firefly.prairienet.org> From: w9sz@prairienet.org (Zack Widup) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Perreault Tubes... Reply-To: w9sz@prairienet.org Resent-Message-ID: <"pJHPZ1.0.wK6.tDYRo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/406 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > > >>> Mr. Perreault responds: >>The device works! I have a prototype in an undisclosed location. If we >>go to >>court you will be assured of this reality...=20 >> >>> Mr. Perreault > > >Well, why don=B4t you show it to TV-reporters and interested people, >if it really works ?? Why are you hidding it ? > >You would be instantly famous and the footage of your >working device would be broadcasted around the world... > >Go for it, if your words are true ! >Just my point of view... > >Maybe you don=B4t have a good Public Relations department ??? >:) > >Best regards, Stefan. Hey, people, lighten up! I thought we were all on this discussion list because we believed that free energy generation was possible. It appears that everyone who states he has actually produced a working device has become lambasted on here. Many of us are "garage (or kitchen table) tinkerers" (I do NOT imply that Mr. Newman or Mr. Perreault are in this category) but what if one of us got a device to work? I certainly have no public relations department. What unsavory end would I meet? I think there is a wealth of data in the recent posting abpout the Moray tube to this list, to anyone who really has a good grasp of the theories. Reread the posting I did a few months ago with the excerpt from the book TAPPING THE ZERO-POINT ENERGY by Moray B. King. Better yet, purchase the book and read it. I consider it a MUST for people into this field. Zack w9sz@prairienet.org -- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 23 07:03:46 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id HAA28180; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 07:01:56 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 07:01:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <326E2502.7331@cyberportal.net> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 10:00:34 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stefan Hartmann CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Perreault Tubes... References: <199610231144.NAA03516@atom.bbtt.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XUPdw.0.Cu6.ILYRo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/407 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Stefan Hartmann wrote: Mr. Perreault Well, why don´t you show it to TV-reporters and interested people, if it really works?? Why are you hidding it ? A. Think about it. RADIATION! As it stands now I could be brought up on federal charges from the information that I have released in this discussion. I really do not know what is legal or illegal at this point. Is it worth the risk of being put into a US concentration camp? You would be instantly famous and the footage of your working device would be broadcasted around the world... A. Probably instantly hauled off never to be seen again... Just ask Paul Brown what they did to him. Bruce A. Perreault (BAP) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 23 07:08:39 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id HAA28803; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 07:03:52 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 07:03:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 07:01:26 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty Reply-To: William Beaty To: "Bruce A. Perreault" cc: freenrg-L@eskimo.com, vortex-L@eskimo.com, huish@zenergy.com Subject: freenrg-L In-Reply-To: <326CF5DD.2FBA@cyberportal.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"-6n_81.0.t17.3NYRo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/408 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Tue, 22 Oct 1996, Bruce A. Perreault wrote: >On Tue, 22 Oct 1996, wrote: > > > >Stefan! > > >I too have been deceived by th Perrault information. Like your > >friend, I purchased the information in response to an ad in the Tesla > >Society Magazine.. I too was led to believe that the material > >offered building instructions. After investing a lot of time and > >about 700.00 and several converstions with Bruce Perrault, I had to > >finally sign a nondisclosure statement with a third party in order to > >eventally learn from Bruce that the device described in the material > >I purchased HAD NEVER BEEN BUILT nor was it the device he did build. > > >Mr. Perreault responds: > > >I will check with Mr. Reed Huish as to the details of this "nondisclosure statent," > >if I am correct you are in breach of contract! In which case you and your company > >will see Zenergy and myself in court... Mr. Perreault, this goes far beyond my limit. I've been partly a disinterested third party to this, but I will not stand by and have you threaten another freenrg-L member with legal action IN ORDER TO PUNISH HIM FOR VOICING HIS VALID COMPLAINTS AGAINST YOU. If you did sell plans to a device that had not been built or tested, and you did not clearly state this fact, that is getting close to fraud. It is misrepresenting the nature of the plans by witholding information. If you sold plans to a device but kept an essential ingredient (radium) for success a secret, and did not state this fact upfront while selling the plans, that also is getting close to fraud. (I don't mean that you should have revealed the secret, I mean that you should have stated "this version of the device has not been tested at the time of publication of these plans, is not guaranteed to work well, and there is a secret ingredient which I must withold because of proprietary issues.") Mr. Humphrey has a valid complaint. Others who bought the plans have a valid complaint. You should take what he says very seriously. You should also assume that a very large group of people is watching this conversation, and think carefully before responding. VERY IMPORTANT: you should not assume that Mr. Humphrey is attacking you for some personal reason. If you had done to me what you did to Mr. Humphrey, I would be angry and complaining too. I don't think I'm biased in this. What do others think? Does Chuck H. have a valid bone to pick? Are Bruce P.'s actions in this situation acceptable? .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 23 07:43:54 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id HAA08795; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 07:37:41 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 07:37:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <326E2DA2.4BAD@cyberportal.net> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 10:37:22 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: response Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YrGu-2.0.J92.qsYRo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/410 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Bruce A. Perreault wrote: > > Hello William Beaty, > > I am doing the best that I can. > > I feel that Mr. Humphey is butely attacking me. > May be "threating" him with court action will > tone down these attacks. I feel that he is trying > to do a great injustance to my work. If he really > wanted to do research with the tubes he would ask > questions like others have done in this group. > I think Mr. Humphey is so mad because he could not > turn a quick buck with the tubes. > > I have never mislead people with any of my offers. > However, the Tesla Society has crossed this line. > If you read Mr. Reed Huish's past post this tend > to confirm what I am saying. > > Sincerely, Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 23 07:45:30 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id HAA09187; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 07:38:48 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 07:38:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610231439.KAA002.69@cougar.ssi.stratus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 23 Oct 96 10:28:09 +0000 From: "Charlie Hodgson" To: "William Beaty" , "Bruce A. Perreault" Cc: freenrg-L@eskimo.com, vortex-L@eskimo.com, huish@zenergy.com Subject: Re: freenrg-L X-Mailer: Ultimedia Mail/2 Lite, IBM T. J. Watson Research Center Content-ID: <53_104_4_846080889> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"c_dM22.0.PF2.stYRo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/411 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > I don't think I'm biased in this. What do others think? Does Chuck H. > have a valid bone to pick? Are Bruce P.'s actions in this situation > acceptable? This thread is begining to look like an Evan Soule monolouge. Since this is an open invitation, I have to agree with Bill. I watch this list looking at what others are doing, sparking ideas of my own. Many posts here are of an experimental nature - we *think* years ago so-and-so got this to work. We *know* failure is quite likely but maybe - just maybe we'll do it. A plan is not a plan if you can't build what is purported. Charlie. One more thing, Mr. Perreault: When responding to a message PLEASE use traditional quoting conventions. It is hard to follow your style of posting. If your mail program is anemic, quote it manually. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 23 08:12:35 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id HAA13730; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 07:55:03 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 07:55:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <326E284B.1B19@cyberportal.net> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 10:15:26 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mitchell Swartz CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: radiation safety... References: <3.0b36.32.19961023113206.006bb194@world.std.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vQ5jt2.0.LM3.57ZRo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/412 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Mitchell Swartz wrote: Bruce, 92Uranium238 constitutes most ore, and it also has 48 keV gammas coming off it in conjunction with the 4.195 MeV alpha particles which constitute about ~77% of its decomposition. The other less abundant isotopes of uranium also have alpha emissions (and spontaneous fission) accompanied by gammas of energies 50 to >500 keV. These are penetrating ionizing radiation. Bruce A. Perreault write: Excellent data! This is what I like to see. Mitchell Swartz writes: If you have information which disproves some of the general teachings at to uranium toxicity then I would be very interested in reading your literature and examining this closer. Bruce responds: Just talk to Mr. Galen Windsor, he will give you an ear full. Basically the levels of Gamma energy emitted from concentrated radioactive ore is less energy than being exposed to the Sun on a brite summer day. You better stay out of the Sun light, hay... Best wishes. Mitchell Swartz In long health, BAP From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 23 11:00:57 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id KAA03631; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 10:52:57 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 10:52:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 19:53:05 GMT Message-Id: <199610231953.TAA02803@korovev.stm.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: j.hasslberger@agora.stm.it (Josef Hasslberger) Subject: Re: Antigrav for Real? Resent-Message-ID: <"cBDbi.0.bu.tjbRo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/415 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Mpower wrote: > >I may have 'access' in the next few weeks to the newest generation of >gravity meter >which one of my colleagues will be using in a geophysical survey. > >If anyone cares to provide some inexpensive ideas on how we could test the >theory >I will be able to give it a go and post documented results here.... > >This survey is taking place over the next few months in an extremely >impoverished >country, therefore I won't have access to such exotics as liquid nitrogen or >industrial lasers. > >I will be limited to bringing basic handtools and electronic/electrical >components >such as I can fit into my luggage. > >I visualize constructing a hollow gyroscope and filling it with different >materials, spinning it up to speed on a platform. I could then test 'G' >underneath, above, and to the sides. > >any better ideas out there ???? >pa >********************************************************** >* http://home.pacific.net.sg/~mpowers8 ******** >********************************************************** see my post in reply to Guy Ricci. It seems that the swiss engineer who did experiments used an extremely fast rotating cast steel disc. Careful of the disc breaking apart at too high rotations though! - Josef Josef Hasslberger, Rampa Brancaleone 25 - 00165 Rome - ITALY when you have nothing better to do, check out my homepage for philosophical views on physics, economy and new energy at http://www.agora.stm.it/J.Hasslberger From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 23 11:03:22 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id KAA03489; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 10:52:43 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 10:52:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 19:52:56 GMT Message-Id: <199610231952.TAA02795@korovev.stm.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: j.hasslberger@agora.stm.it (Josef Hasslberger) Subject: Re: Antigrav for Real? Resent-Message-ID: <"XCtgh.0.Ks.SjbRo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/414 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Bert Pool wrote: >I personally witnessed the Don Kelly "drop" demonstration at the Energy >Conference in Denver Colorado in 1993. His "precision" timer was a >mechanical counter driven by a d.c. motor. It was not precise by any >definition of the term. And the timer motor was supplied by the same power >supply as the electromagnets - the electromagnets would have caused the >sourde voltage to vary, causing the motor speed to vary, not a good setup >for proving or disproving anything. When Richard Hull of Richmong Virginia >replicated the experiment using precision electro-optical triggering methods >to measure drop speed, NO anti-gravity effect was measured. As I recall, >Hull's measurements were accurate to the nearest 1/10,000 of a second, >several magnitudes of order more precise than anything Don Kelly ever >dreamed of. Sloppy measurement techniques do not antigravity make. > >Bert Interesting. I did not know the experiments were replicated with a null result. - Josef Josef Hasslberger, Rampa Brancaleone 25 - 00165 Rome - ITALY when you have nothing better to do, check out my homepage for philosophical views on physics, economy and new energy at http://www.agora.stm.it/J.Hasslberger From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 23 11:50:44 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id LAA15265; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 11:43:43 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 11:43:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 12:43:52 -0600 (MDT) From: steve ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Antigrav for Real? In-Reply-To: <199610231953.TAA02803@korovev.stm.it> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"_owMa1.0.Nk3.TTcRo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/418 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > Mpower wrote: > >I may have 'access' in the next few weeks to the newest generation of > >gravity meter > >If anyone cares to provide some inexpensive ideas on how we could test the > >theory -------------------- > >* http://home.pacific.net.sg/~mpowers8 ******** > >********************************************************** > > see my post in reply to Guy Ricci. It seems that the swiss engineer who did > experiments used an extremely fast rotating cast steel disc. Careful of the > disc breaking apart at too high rotations though! > Josef Hasslberger, Rampa Brancaleone 25 - 00165 Rome - ITALY > >---------------------------- Maybe one of you out there can save me some money (OBSERVING the High Rotations ABOVE) I have a small Heathkit Laser that I was going to shoot across the latest 'pyshics toy' "Levitron" as heard about on the ArtBell show and post here.. Q1=Does anyone have this 'toy' yet and if so, access to any size laser to point it's polorized light across its spinning/floating edge like water over a water wheel (?) I invision ONE Super NONE-Wearing (bearing (air/air) capable of SUper- Duper Speed. (prepare a breaking system before trying??) just for Fun. (?) -=se=- ps the wife says I can't have one (levitron) until xmas :( or later. laser input will of course make this NON-FreeEnergy: BUT FAsStT. -eh? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 23 15:09:06 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id PAA01677; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 15:04:03 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 15:04:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <326E9627.251A@cyberportal.net> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 18:03:19 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: WARREN RICHARDS CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Moray document References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FxIhW1.0.1Q.FPfRo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/422 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: WARREN RICHARDS wrote: I am interested in finding more information about Moray. What is the name of the Moray document that you have? Is it the original "beyond the light rays" that was mentioned by Jerry Decker? Please tell me about the Moray information that you can sell. Do you know of any place where I can get a copy of the "Sea of Energy"? Any help would be greatly appreciated Warren Richards Bruce A. Perreault writes: You come to the right place. I have a copy of Moray's manual "beyond the light rays." This is Moray's typewritten manual that came before "The Sea of Energy." This manual was not copyrighted until 1945. I believe that this manual has not been available until now. I can sell you a copy for $39.95 shipping included. It is in my opinion that it is well worth over $100. I say this because "The Sea of Energy" copyrighted in 1978 goes for around $125. I think $39.95 for a copy of "beyond the light rays" is an honest price. As for "The Sea of Energy" it is also out of print. I sold one in new condition for about $100. about two months ago. If you can find one expect to pay about $125. I sell a radiant energy guide so that you can build a radiant energy prototype. Keep in mind that it is not something that you would buy from Radio Shack or from Heathkit. It is not a construction manual. It is offered to get you started on your own prototype. It is offered as a reasearch tool only. When you buy the guide you are put on a mailing list and will be sent a notice when I can offer ground breaking news. I can sell this guide to you for $24.95 postage paid. Please do not request a guide if you think that you will be off the grid tommorow. Generating power with radiant energy is not perfected. We have many hurdles to go. However, if enough people get involved with this research then the dream will take fruit. Sincerely, Bruce A. Perreault P.S. Check out the Moray web site connection> http://www.angelfire.com/nh/nuenergy From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 23 16:00:46 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id PAA14399; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 15:54:25 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 15:54:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Kap808@aol.com Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 18:53:47 -0400 Message-ID: <961023185328_339612932@emout01.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Institutions and policies that can bring us closer to workable free energy Resent-Message-ID: <"3WbU9.0.qW3.V8gRo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/424 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: As I mentioned in an earlier posting, Brian O'Leary and I are in the final stages of preparing an article for the general public on free energy developments, which we will first submit to the NY Times Magazine. We would like to get your views regarding the kinds of policies or practices by public or private groups that would best facilitate research and development in the field. How can people best use the Internet? Should new groups be formed? Would it be useful to create a free energy mutual fund? What role should government play? Active investor in research? Conduct research in government laboratories? Or should government just get out of the way? Are new institutions needed? This is your chance to play "statesman" or "stateswoman". Tell us your views. If you want your views to be kept confidential, you can write to me at 3635 SW 87th, #12, Portland, OR 97225. We want to be able to report what people who are active in this field believe about how we can best move into a free-energy world. Thanks in advance for your responses. Steve Kaplan & Brian O'Leary From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 23 22:33:26 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id WAA09782; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 22:32:15 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 22:32:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <326E9A77.5456@introtech.com> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 22:23:29 +0000 From: henry Reply-To: henry@introtech.com Organization: introtech X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Fascinating, but...! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0Oazc1.0.kO2.TzlRo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/425 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: As much as I enjoy monitoring this group, my cup runneth over. Can you help me with the unsubscribe command? None of the ordinary methods seems to work. ...and, by the way... Some may remember me as an aggressive iconoclast on the Newman list -- that's not my attitude toward this one, so if something truly astonishing arises here, I'd be grateful if someone kept my address and let me know. On the other hand, success "here" would probably appear on the front page of my daily paper. All the best to everyone contributing to this serious and exciting group! Henry Eisenson INTROTECH 6336 Greenwich Drive San Diego, CA 92122 (619) 453-7600, fax 552-9050 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 24 00:48:52 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id AAA05703; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 00:47:21 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 00:47:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <326F0952.24ED@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 23:14:42 -0700 From: pgantt Reply-To: pgantt@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Institutions and policies that can bring us closer to workable free energy References: <961023185328_339612932@emout01.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Olamw1.0._O1.8ynRo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/426 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Kap808@aol.com wrote: > > As I mentioned in an earlier posting, Brian O'Leary and I are in the final > stages of preparing an article for the general public on free energy > developments, which we will first submit to the NY Times Magazine. We would > like to get your views regarding the kinds of policies or practices by public > or private groups that would best facilitate research and development in the > field. How can people best use the Internet? Should new groups be formed? > Would it be useful to create a free energy mutual fund? What role should > government play? Active investor in research? Conduct research in > government laboratories? Or should government just get out of the way? > Are new institutions needed? > > This is your chance to play "statesman" or "stateswoman". Tell us your > views. If you want your views to be kept confidential, you can write to me at > 3635 SW 87th, #12, Portland, OR 97225. We want to be able to report what > people who are active in this field believe about how we can best move into a > free-energy world. Thanks in advance for your responses. Steve Kaplan & > Brian O'Leary I think government definitely needs to be involved, even to the point of providing funding to individuals who can prove their claims are worth developing further in the interests for the betterment of our society. The long term aspects of "free" energy development are far reaching. We could remove hydroelectric dams that impede the migration of endangered salmon, steelhead, sturgeon, etc., and eliminate the potentially dangerous nuclear facilities. Phil Gantt From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 24 01:05:40 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id HAA04613; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 07:24:06 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 07:24:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <326E2A63.687A@cyberportal.net> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 10:23:31 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: w9sz@prairienet.org CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Perreault Tubes... References: <199610231353.IAA02305@firefly.prairienet.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mepFC3.0.-71.5gYRo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/409 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Thank you Zack. You hit the nail right on the head. No, I do not have a "public relations deparment." I am working out of my garage! warm regards, Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 24 01:23:53 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id IAA25581; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 08:42:17 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 08:42:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 10:42:30 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: freenrg-L Resent-Message-ID: <"3Tnmn1.0.UF6.NpZRo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/413 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >> I don't think I'm biased in this. What do others think? Does Chuck H. >> have a valid bone to pick? Are Bruce P.'s actions in this situation >> acceptable? > >This thread is begining to look like an Evan Soule' monolouge. Thanks for the compliment, Charlie! P.S. BTW, that's "monologue" -- [I know ... transpositions are a drag! I've made my share of them. I make even make a few more in my next "monologue!" I'll keep you in mind.] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 24 01:37:06 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id BAA16349; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 01:36:19 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 01:36:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199610240815.BAA13812@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 01:35:42 +0900 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: Institutions and policies that can bring us closer to workable free energy Resent-Message-ID: <"JpUll2.0.M_3.1goRo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/427 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 06:53 PM 10/23/96 -0400, you wrote: >As I mentioned in an earlier posting, Brian O'Leary and I are in the final >stages of preparing an article for the general public on free energy >developments, which we will first submit to the NY Times Magazine. We would >like to get your views regarding the kinds of policies or practices by public >or private groups that would best facilitate research and development in the >field. How can people best use the Internet? Should new groups be formed? > Would it be useful to create a free energy mutual fund? What role should >government play? Active investor in research? Conduct research in >government laboratories? Or should government just get out of the way? >Are new institutions needed? > >This is your chance to play "statesman" or "stateswoman". Tell us your >views. If you want your views to be kept confidential, you can write to me at >3635 SW 87th, #12, Portland, OR 97225. We want to be able to report what >people who are active in this field believe about how we can best move into a >free-energy world. Thanks in advance for your responses. Steve Kaplan & >Brian O'Leary > > How about some real people and some real employees at the federal agencies. That would be a big improvement. So far as the average person can tell, all that is there now are a bunch of tin soldiers with automatic answering machines. ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 24 02:39:47 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id CAA27071; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 02:37:53 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 02:37:53 -0700 (PDT) X400-Received: by mta bnr.ca in /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 15:13:24 -0400 X400-Received: by /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 15:13:14 -0400 X400-Received: by /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 15:13:00 -0400 Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 15:13:00 -0400 X400-Originator: /dd.id=1034651/g=gene/i=g/s=batten/@bnr.ca X400-MTS-Identifier: [/PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/;bcars735.b.218:23.09.96.19.13.14] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Re: Run Gasol... From: "gene (g.) batten" Sender: "gene (g.) batten" Message-ID: <"10221 Wed Oct 23 15:13:16 1996"@bnr.ca> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Run Gasoline engine on Brown's Gas? Resent-Message-ID: <"Mbar2.0.pc6.lZpRo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/428 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: In message "Run Gasoline engine on Brown's Gas?", you write: > On Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:09:00 -0400 , gene (g.) batten wrote: > [snip] > >I will need at least a 600+ liter per hour BGas generator to supply > >enough BGas to run an 8 HP engine. I have plans to build a larger BGas > >generator. I will post results here as I progress with this project.=20 > [snip] > Gene, > > I wonder if you could tell us what pressure the BG is at? > > > Regards, > > Robin van Spaandonk =============================================================== I do not know what the pressure will be. I have not built the machine yet. My guess is that it will be in the 20 - 40 psig range. Actually, I will be able to set almost any pressure I want by controlling how fast I release the BGas, within the generating limits of the machine. Gene Batten mdleb@nortel.ca From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 24 03:18:05 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id MAA01751; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 12:55:05 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 12:55:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Cantino Message-Id: <199610231914.PAA13667@big.seorf.ohiou.edu> Subject: Re: Wormhole To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 15:14:44 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <199610221928.PAA23811@big.seorf.ohiou.edu> from "Andrew Cantino" at Oct 22, 96 03:28:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Resent-Message-ID: <"MWjf81.0.FR.NWdRo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/419 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: ---Wormhole (teleportation) creation--- Diagram one: ----------- - - - EARTH - - 1 - _____________ - - ___________________SPACE-TIME_________ \ - 2 - / \ ----------- / \______________/ An object at position (1) can move to position (2) through a hole in space-time. The object would be traveling down into the Earth's dip in the space-time, so the object would be self propelled. An object at position (2) could only get to position (1) by propelling itsself. Diagram two: ----------------------------------------- --------------___________________-------- \ -------------/ \------- \ Bent space-time --> ------------/1 /---------------\2 \------ \ ----------------------------------------- (1) has a direct connection to (2) through space-time. -- Andrew Cantino ** ac817@seorf.ohiou.edu http://www.seorf.ohiou.edu/~xx053/homepage.html http://www.seorf.ohiou.edu/~xx053/hide/free.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 24 04:07:19 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id OAA27622; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 14:47:04 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 14:47:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 13:52:54 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: hheffner@anc.ak.net (Horace Heffner) Subject: Re: freenrg-L Resent-Message-ID: <"kDazt3.0.Tl6.M9fRo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/421 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 7:01 AM 10/23/96, William Beaty wrote: >On Tue, 22 Oct 1996, Bruce A. Perreault wrote: >> >I will check with Mr. Reed Huish as to the details of this >>"nondisclosure statent," >> >if I am correct you are in breach of contract! In which case you and >>your company >> >will see Zenergy and myself in court... > >Mr. Perreault, this goes far beyond my limit. I've been partly a >disinterested third party to this, but I will not stand by and have you >threaten another freenrg-L member with legal action IN ORDER TO PUNISH HIM >FOR VOICING HIS VALID COMPLAINTS AGAINST YOU. > [snip] > >I don't think I'm biased in this. What do others think? Does Chuck H. >have a valid bone to pick? Are Bruce P.'s actions in this situation >acceptable? > >.....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. >William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 Here's a vote in support of Bill Beaty. This series of communications is an abomination reminiscent of other litigious personages like Archie Pu, etc., and is a clear demonstration of why moderated lists have value. Only worse than vicious dogs are the master that releases them. (Sorry, personal predjudice against vicious dogs, lawsuits, and the like.) If the topic is to go any further it seems that since it is well established that there is at least one unhappy customer that the complaints should be dealt with in a detailed, straightforward and cooperative manner. I don't know of any reputable business that will not allow returns for a refund if there is a valid reason. Regards, PO Box 325 Palmer, AK 99645 Horace Heffner 907-746-0820 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 24 04:12:40 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id LAA11407; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 11:28:53 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 11:28:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 10:34:35 -0800 To: William Beaty , "Bruce A. Perreault" From: hheffner@anc.ak.net (Horace Heffner) Subject: Re: freenrg-L Cc: freenrg-L@eskimo.com, vortex-L@eskimo.com, huish@zenergy.com Resent-Message-ID: <"oB-9G2.0.7o2.ZFcRo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/417 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 7:01 AM 10/23/96, William Beaty wrote: >On Tue, 22 Oct 1996, Bruce A. Perreault wrote: >> >I will check with Mr. Reed Huish as to the details of this >>"nondisclosure statent," >> >if I am correct you are in breach of contract! In which case you and >>your company >> >will see Zenergy and myself in court... > >Mr. Perreault, this goes far beyond my limit. I've been partly a >disinterested third party to this, but I will not stand by and have you >threaten another freenrg-L member with legal action IN ORDER TO PUNISH HIM >FOR VOICING HIS VALID COMPLAINTS AGAINST YOU. > [snip] > >I don't think I'm biased in this. What do others think? Does Chuck H. >have a valid bone to pick? Are Bruce P.'s actions in this situation >acceptable? > >.....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. >William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 Here's a vote in support of Bill Beaty. This series of communications is an abomination reminiscent of other litigious personages like Archie Pu, etc., and is a clear demonstration of why moderated lists have value. Only worse than vicious dogs are the master that releases them. (Sorry, personal predjudice against vicious dogs, lawsuits, and the like.) If the topic is to go any further it seems that since it is well established that there is at least one unhappy customer that the complaints should be dealt with in a detailed, straightforward and cooperative manner. I don't know of any reputable business that will not allow returns for a refund if there is a valid reason. Regards, PO Box 325 Palmer, AK 99645 Horace Heffner 907-746-0820 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 24 04:18:51 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id LAA07784; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 11:12:18 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 11:12:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 19:52:50 GMT Message-Id: <199610231952.TAA02789@korovev.stm.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: j.hasslberger@agora.stm.it (Josef Hasslberger) Subject: Re: Antigrav for Real? Resent-Message-ID: <"pb2Ri3.0.Wv1.v_bRo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/416 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Josef Hasslberger: >> >> A German experiment done later (but not published in scientific papers as >> far as I know) worked with much higher rpm of the gyro, up to the limit the >> material could stand, and found a much larger anti gravity effect. Guy Ricci: > >Do you have any details on this one? Yes, I just find the article. It is in a german popular magazine (raum&zeit). The guy doing the experiments is Leo Hendriks of Aesch, Switzerland. He initially worked with very high rotation but after losing a finger from a disk that broke up, he limited the rpm to 300 r/sec. He started out from the japanese paper but did not let his gyros fall. He worked with steel discs in wooden mounts (to prevent magnetic build up) and it seems he measured weight loss of up to 104 per cent. Initially he used a chromium steel mount, got results with left-turning disc, but after some time (buildup of magnetism) no more results. Then working with a wooden mount, he got results with right turning disc. The difference as I see it to the japanese results is, that the japanese gyros were smaller and much slower and were dropped inside a sealed capsule, while coasting down in rpms. Hendriks instead was working with much faster rpm gyros (I have the idea he used air to get them up to rotation, but can't see that in the article) and he experimented with translational motion, in addition to the spinning, ending up with spiral path motion for the single particles or single points on his discs. There are a lot of formulas in the article to explain his theory about what was observed, but of actual facts useful for experimenters, the above is about all. Cheers - Josef Josef Hasslberger, Rampa Brancaleone 25 - 00165 Rome - ITALY when you have nothing better to do, check out my homepage for philosophical views on physics, economy and new energy at http://www.agora.stm.it/J.Hasslberger From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 24 04:31:11 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id EAA15135; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 04:30:21 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 04:30:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 13:31:00 GMT Message-Id: <199610241331.NAA18040@korovev.stm.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: j.hasslberger@agora.stm.it (Josef Hasslberger) Subject: Re: Spinning MAgnet Resent-Message-ID: <"kRfz42.0.Ni3.CDrRo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/429 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Does anyone know what would happen if I spun a strong magnet very fast. >At some speed the fields should cross and create a two-way magnet. Has >anyone tryed this? >Andrew Cantino >-- Home page: >http://www.seorf.ohiou.edu/~xx053/homepage.html >E-Mail: ac817@seorf.ohiou.edu You might likely get an anti gravity effect, if your magnet can stand the very fast spin. Seems they have a tendency to break apart if spun too fast. - Josef Josef Hasslberger, Rampa Brancaleone 25 - 00165 Rome - ITALY when you have nothing better to do, check out my homepage for philosophical views on physics, economy and new energy at http://www.agora.stm.it/J.Hasslberger From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 24 05:24:13 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id OAA19511; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 14:15:23 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 14:15:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <326E8A18.6205@cyberportal.net> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 17:11:52 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: [Fwd: Re: Moray Booklets] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------262CE5E43DD" Resent-Message-ID: <"2b1XV2.0.em4.SheRo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/420 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------262CE5E43DD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Richard Austin wrote: > > >The Moray manuscript alone is worth at least $100 !!! > > > >I can not understand why the Radiant Energy Device can not be > >reconstructed from my guide. I have revised it at least ten > >times over! > > > >I have given away my lifes work and I get this? > > > >You can expect that I will be pulling my web page in a few days! > >I will not go through what Moray went through! > > > >Mr. Bruce A. Perreault > > I think we should all give Bruce a hand. He is trying to do good work. You > guys lay off the heavy handedness and try to be more understanding. Those > with the resources try to duplicate the work and give us a step by step > guide for the folks who need that. > > We don't want to chase away the folks who are contributing by flaming them > for not providing step by step instructions. Try to keep a good spirit in > these proceedings... > > Richard Austin -- email: richarda@icx.net -- radio: KG7SU > Check out the Institute for Planetary Renewal at > http://user.icx.net/~richarda --------------262CE5E43DD Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mailhub.icx.net (mailhub.icx.net [206.96.250.12]) by cyberport.cyberportal.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA26400 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 16:53:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [206.96.250.23] (pm2c.icx.net [206.96.250.23]) by mailhub.icx.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA31343 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 16:56:29 -0400 Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 16:56:29 -0400 X-Sender: richarda@mailhub.icx.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net From: richarda@icx.net (Richard Austin) Subject: Re: Moray Booklets >The Moray manuscript alone is worth at least $100 !!! > >I can not understand why the Radiant Energy Device can not be >reconstructed from my guide. I have revised it at least ten >times over! > >I have given away my lifes work and I get this? > >You can expect that I will be pulling my web page in a few days! >I will not go through what Moray went through! > >Mr. Bruce A. Perreault I think we should all give Bruce a hand. He is trying to do good work. You guys lay off the heavy handedness and try to be more understanding. Those with the resources try to duplicate the work and give us a step by step guide for the folks who need that. We don't want to chase away the folks who are contributing by flaming them for not providing step by step instructions. Try to keep a good spirit in these proceedings... Richard Austin -- email: richarda@icx.net -- radio: KG7SU Check out the Institute for Planetary Renewal at http://user.icx.net/~richarda --------------262CE5E43DD-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 24 05:31:46 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id FAA28403; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 05:30:34 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 05:30:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: hheffner@anc.ak.net (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 04:36:25 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: hheffner@anc.ak.net (Horace Heffner) Subject: Re: Institutions and policies that can bring us closer to workable free energy Resent-Message-ID: <"WuOnb1.0.bx6.e5sRo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/430 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >This is your chance to play "statesman" or "stateswoman". Tell us your >views. If you want your views to be kept confidential, you can write to me at >3635 SW 87th, #12, Portland, OR 97225. We want to be able to report what >people who are active in this field believe about how we can best move into a >free-energy world. Thanks in advance for your responses. Steve Kaplan & >Brian O'Leary The following is a quick editing of various emails I wrote as part of a discussion with a contributor to sci.physics.fusion. Not much has changed today, except the decline of sci.physics.fusion and the rise of importance of vortex and freenrg and other private lists and groups in the advancement of the art. I think the concepts still have merit. Please consider the following public domain. I think there should be much discussion about the actual government assistance mechanisms proposed, but the list provided below should provide a starting point. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - TIME IS UP! Time is up! According to Gene Mallove's book, "Fire from Ice", in October, 1989, Carl Sagan said: "I guarantee that five years from now, this will be a dead issue. It will either be, there is such a thing or there isn't such a thing. We will not be sitting on some middle ground wondering. The stakes are too high. Either way, the definitive *disproof* of Fleischmann and Pons or the definitive *proof*. The rewards are so great that scientists - competitive, querulous lot - will decide one way or another." He was referring to H + Pd on a table top, at room temperature, the Pons and Fleischmann experiment. We are now approaching the sixth anniversary of his prediction. Was he right? Was positive proof or disproof, without contention, in existence by five years? Now? It seems like there remains too much debate to say yes to a definitive proof. The issue of fusion in a bottle seems small compared to the greater issues of whether the behemoths of conventional fusion will ultimately be practical, and, if so, when. If funding is not slashed severely, perhaps definitive answers for conventional fusion will be available in five years. Even more important, though, is finding a definitive answer to the question "is there a small cheap way to generate energy". A definitive answer to that question involves searching an almost infinite solution space. The process can therefore not end definitively until the answer is yes. The search of this solution space does not preclude a simultaneous search of the conventional fusion solution space. There is no reason for researchers in differing areas to destructively compete for much needed research funds by calling each other frauds, crooks, etc. Everybody will be the worse off for it, especially our children. The cliche that scientists make lousy politicians is being well proven in the debate of cold fusion, etc. The key to success in the political arena is unity, and there seems to be anything but unity here. As we approach the six year anniversary of Carl Sagan's prediction, we have an opportunity to renew the vigor and cooperation of six years ago. We can work together to broaden the search for energy. We have taken so much from our children. Confirmation of global warming was announced on TV today, September 10, 1995. Here in Alaska, evidence has been plainly visible of warming for some time, through the sudden bizarre behavior of glaciers that have been stable for 10,000 years. If the warming continues indefinitely the earth will end up like Venus. We have created a financial and environmental debt so massive that the only way we have to pay it off may be through investment in energy research. I may be an amateur, and my paycheck is my pension, but I can plainly see that the time has come to support energy research of all kinds. It may not be too late to affect the DOE research budget in time to be of use. Perhaps a detailed look at the situation will show why. Bad science is misleading and therefore less than worthless to the cause of science, the seeking of truth about nature. I would include mathematics in the definition of science because of my belief that the constructs of mathematics have an existence outside of human experience, are part of nature itself, and, as logic, an integral part of science. Even though maybe not explicitly dichotomized or recognized in most of the debates in the internet news group sci.physics.fusion, there is another, seemingly opposing, but valid, not contradictory, point of view. I would like to call the other point of view the engineering point of view. For the purposes of brevity, I would like to include in the definition of engineering all the physical and psychological human processes involved in the creation of mechanical devices to solve a problem. The problem spaces of science and engineering, though related, are different. The goals of creating knowledge vs. creating machines are different. Yet the two processes are so similar, and mutually supportive, the distinction is often not drawn. Engineering is required for science. Every tokamak installation has associated engineering. Engineering is the application of science and quantification to the creation of devices. Engineering has progressed primarily through the advancement and dissemination of scientific knowledge. Engineering and science are the yin and yang of human progress. The distinction between science and engineering is most relevant because what is "Pathological Science" is often very good engineering. Creating machines is primarily a creative process. There is a large body of literature regarding the creative process. Included in the psychology of creativeness is the technique of brainstorming. This is the conscious act of suspending contradiction, of making flights of fancy, flights of the wildest most unconstrained imagination. Negativity of any kind is not allowed, it poisons the process. Truth is not the goal, a complete unconstrained search of the problem space is the goal. Randomness is an integral part of this creative technique. If multiple people are involved (the best option) then synergy, positiveness, and building on other ideas, no matter how fanciful or intuitive, is the method. The idea is to maintain the critical mass of excitement and focus of attention. The technique involves a separate analytical (critical) stage where some ideas are thrown out, the problem is more narrowly defined, and another brainstorming session scheduled. There is some supporting evidence for this technique provided by mathematics, namely optimization theory. There is a proof that as the number of variables in an objective function get large, the efficiency of a stochastic search vs. a deterministic search improves. At some problem domain size, if you have no other useful knowledge of exactly what the objective function is, only a black box to evaluate it, the stochastic method is the best approach. This method involves multiple evaluations of the objective function using input variables sampled (pseudo randomly generated) from distributions with assumed variances. Following generating statistics on the calculated function values, input variable variances are increased or decreased based on whether feasible solutions were found and, if so, how much the best candidate solution input values differed from the mean of the feasible candidate solutions input values in terms of variance. The process continues until every input variable variance is within some pre-specified delta. The theory of genetic algorithms extends this notion to the range of logical constructs, and therefore must also apply to physical constructs, because information is embodied in and mirrors the physical world. Though there is some applicability of creative techniques to the generation of scientific theory, science is a far more constrained field than engineering. What Edison did was not science, but it was effective. The search for truth is far more constrained than a search for something that works. Thus a position, advocating an orderly approach building on previous knowledge, while true from a science perspective, is less than optimal from an engineering perspective. I think this difference in perspective partly accounts for much of the disunity and misunderstanding going on in sci.physics.fusion. The problem at hand, working our way out of the scientific and sociopolitical problems of the energy maze, is primarily an engineering problem. We need practical solutions whether the truth and knowledge comes with them or not. However, present established scientific principals are not sufficient to solve this engineering problem in a timely way. A combined science and engineering approach is required. To tackle a difficult problem, you must believe you can, and be highly enough motivated to see it through. It is too bad that many of the names in the early heady days of sci.physics.fusion are gone. The excitement, the cooperation, the synergy is gone. It is really inspiring to read through the old posts and to see (now contentious) people working in a positive constructive way. For many, especially scientists, the motivation is gone. Most of the scientists are gone. What remains of the usually lesser educated engineering mentality is considered by the scientists to be "lunatic fringe". History tells us that most any problem tackled with sufficient resources can be overcome. It is merely defining the problem and being motivated enough to bring the needed resources to bear on the problem that counts. All that is lacking is a basis for hope, some unifying principles, a useful method of cooperating, some organization and some resources. Carl Sagan was only wrong is his estimation of how resolute scientists (and engineers) would be in reaching a definitive answer, how long we would see it as important. He foresaw the lack of cooperation, but he didn't see how limited in imagination we might be in exploring the degrees of freedom, and therefore how quickly we would lose interest. There is no particular reason to direct our efforts and our resources to the study of one system, the Pd + D system. This is far too limited a scope for either science or engineering. It should not be excluded from investigation or engineering though, as the Kasagi experiment demonstrates. Who knows what surprise, what wrinkle, lurks around the corner? Pons and Fleischmann's legacy is a problem domain rich in degrees of freedom. It is really not even limited to issues of fusion. This research is not like a lottery. This is not a zero sum game. Either everybody loses or everybody wins, even the players not yet born. If there is one winner, we are all winners. This of course refers to solving the big problems, not to whether or not somebody or group makes a a lot of money, which is a totally minuscule issue by comparison. It is also not true that a succession of seemingly disconnected efforts is misguided. People actively experimenting, however lunatic, have some degree of knowledge of science and technology. The number and quality of those experimenting on their own may soon be greatly enlarged by the demise of the academic fusion community in the USA. This potential increase in the number of independent researchers is the only bright spot in the immediate future! The intuition and diversity in the behavior of people is our strength. Especially if we have a good feedback mechanism. The points generated by a random optimization scheme looks at first disjointed and crazy from the perspective of someone who knows the answer. However, there is an unseen order in the feedback mechanism that quickly homes in on the solution when the local range is found. Darwin had a pretty good handle on this. Tinkering is not a good approach to constructing nuclear reactors. This would be like saying tinkering is a good way to redesign a hand. Nature's optimization and localization of domain has become too advanced when we talk about hands. Of course nature continues the grand experiment. Hands are diverse, the selection process continues, but major changes of problem sub domain are unlikely to be immediately successful. The major tinkering occurred in the days of the Curies, the domain of possibilities has been narrowed since. This is not to say random testing of new or untried materials for reactors should not continue, or the search for new reactors. This also gets into the subject of the cost of function generation. If you know something about a function, i.e. analogous to having proven science, you can optimize with few calculations. If the domain is large, and computation is costly, e.g. tokamak construction, you can only afford a few function evaluations. Every possible use of science needs to be incorporated. Also, optimizing sub-regimes independently is a useful tool. This way lots of sub domain points con be evaluated cheaply, but at the cost of increased locality. Over deliberation, over constraint of sub domain, lack of free exploration, has it's price as well. In the unbounded universe, there are many maximal points, therefore many domains to explore. When a local point is optimized, it is time to spread the net, increase the variance, go where no-one has gone before. This is serendipity, because the surprise, the new sub domain with it's maximal point, is just beyond that ugly minimum. These two concepts, testing points cheaply, and spreading the net to look for serendipities, give support to cold fusion experimenting via the engineering approach. The test points are comparatively cheap, and the problem domain is larger. It is true that we can not just give money to anyone who says he is doing research on energy! However, there is so much undone in the way of building an infrastructure for technology exchange. This might include: Additional internet resources, like complete online periodical articles. Access to patent information related to energy How-to information, like how to build neutron detectors, power supplies, etc. Online supplier catalogs (chemical, metal, electronic, glassware, etc.) Surplus equipment lists Mentor programs Equipment discounts and loaner pools Venture capital access programs Small grant program Computer based tutorials Consulting network Course funding or "traveling" courses for CF device construction, etc. Amateur and professional group meeting facilities (by town or region) Methods provided for chartering local research groups Device (claim) testing and verification (free) Funding for stage two: follow on research to claims showing value and verified Much of this is now provided by sci.physics.fusion on a very limited and voluntary basis. These capabilities can be expanded with funding. Many private researchers are or will be unemployed or retired. Every little bit of help possible is needed to make real and to instill the feeling of the possibility for success. Most important, though, is not to regress, not to lose the level of effort we already have. Infighting will surely accomplish this. Cooperation and like mindedness, unity, is the way to save the day. We must keep up the level of interest, the critical mass. A failed result in one area should only be motivation to try another approach. No need for true believers, only true workers with faith in the future. The engineering approach to cold fusion has only just broken the tip of the iceberg. Only now are higher voltage ranges being explored. There is a nearly infinite range of materials to explore, new input variables like x-rays, electrode currents, magnetism. Already, there are various confirmed anomalies that need explaining. It's too early to build a water heater, just like it's too early to build a new brain. Whether or not Pons and Fleischmann ever did another experiment advancing cold fusion, their legacy is created. The grand experiment will go on. Too many rocks have been uncovered, too many discrepancies with current theory discovered. The Promethean fire is stolen from the gods as surely as if it were brought in a box. Regards, PO Box 325 Palmer, AK 99645 Horace Heffner 907-746-0820 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 24 12:15:23 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id MAA22883; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 12:00:02 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 12:00:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610241858.LAA22473@mail.eskimo.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "some dodgy student...." <"some dodgy student..."@hw.ac.uk> To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 19:56:26 +0000 Subject: Space Batteries Reply-to: N.K.Tolley@hw.ac.uk Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Resent-Message-ID: <"X9mMV3.0.Hb5.moxRo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/432 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Is it possible that the indoctrinated hysteria behind radioactivity is >perpetually kept at high levels by the powers that be so that >experimentation with harmless radioactive substances, with regards to >energy production, would not be conducted? > >Looking forward to your responses. > >Regards, Ossie Callanan Well, here is my response... mainly, this is to point out that there is no difference betweeen a manmade photon and a natural photon, and at short wavelengths, they can both hurt you. As for radioactive material, DONT they are deadly, unless you know what you are doing.. there is NO such thing as "harmless" radioactivity. The nuclear batery is a well know, simple device, and has been used in space craft for years, for probes, simply being a peice of alpha or beta emmitting material, in the field of a pair of magnets.. This serves to tend the electrons (beta) to one electrode, and the alphas (which are 2 electrons short) to the other end. This then sets up a small current, which is given by the activity (in curies). Some basic physics will give you the approx current, as directly proportional to the activity. The reason they tend to only be used in space is because they have a high power to weigh, and a long life, but on earth, you need to sheild everything from the gamma radiation, unlike space, where everything has to be hardened against it anyway! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 24 16:54:18 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id QAA00810; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 16:45:36 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 16:45:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <326FFD19.7B1C@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 16:34:49 -0700 From: pgantt Reply-To: pgantt@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Perreault Tube Device Safety References: <199610182129.OAA16584@claim.goldrush.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mufxn.0.WC.U-_Ro"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/435 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: wesly crosiar wrote: > Any safty precautions you can give > me would be appreciated. > crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM THANKS WES > WESLEY CROSIAR > PO BOX 268 > SAN ANDREAS, CA. 95249 I have a suggestion for you. An operational amplifier in a mettalic can type package makes an excellent and cheap radiation detector. Calibration would require a calibration source, but even without cal, it can give you some meaningful relative readings. Here is the basic theory: The can (package) acts as a small ionization chamber. When ionizing radiation is absorbed in the can, electrons are released causing a current flow that is measurable. Use a low input bias current op amp (picoamp range, or less). A pair of 9V batteries can be used as a power supply. Connect a large value resistor as feedback from the output to the inverting input (1000 Meg is a good value to start with, but you may want to experiment). Use a similar value resistor on the non-inverting input to ground to cancel the effects of the input offset current. This configuration makes a current to voltage converter. Monitor the output voltage with a meter to get a voltage reading that is relative to the amount of radiation the can is exposed to. The unit should only cost $10.00 to build, and at least it will give you a means for determining what is radioactive and to what relative degree. Once built, hold a radiation source near the can, and if all is working correctly, you will see a rise in the voltage output of the op amp. Quite simple really, and it works. At least this will give you a relative idea of what level of radiation you are dealing with. Radiation is hazardous, but contamination is much worse. Don't do anything to contaminate your environment as this would be dangerous to the health of your family, pets, neighbors, etc., and might result in justification for government intervention into your activities. Hope this helps you out. Let me know of your progress. Phil Gantt pgantt@ix.netcom.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 24 17:14:32 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id QAA04451; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 16:56:50 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 16:56:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Cantino Message-Id: <199610242353.TAA26749@big.seorf.ohiou.edu> Subject: Re: Wormhole To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 19:53:46 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: from "steve ekwall" at Oct 24, 96 03:51:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Resent-Message-ID: <"tMUPC2.0.N51.090So"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/436 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > > > > ---Wormhole (teleportation) creation--- > > > > Diagram one: > > ----------- > > - - > > - EARTH - > > - 1 - > > _____________ - - ___________________SPACE-TIME_________ > > \ - 2 - / > > \ ----------- / > > \______________/ > > > > An object at position (1) can move to position (2) through a > > hole in space-time. The object would be traveling down into > > the Earth's dip in the space-time, so the object would be self > > propelled. An object at position (2) could only get to > > position (1) by propelling itsself. > > > > Diagram two: > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > --------------___________________-------- \ > > -------------/ \------- \ Bent space-time --> > > ------------/1 /---------------\2 \------ \ > > ----------------------------------------- > > > > (1) has a direct connection to (2) through space-time. > > > > Andrew Cantino ** ac817@seorf.ohiou.edu > > http://www.seorf.ohiou.edu/~xx053/homepage.html > > http://www.seorf.ohiou.edu/~xx053/hide/free.html > > > While mathmatically it's ok, Einstien misses (as we all do) a > true*constant (i.e light) in 1905 one of his first experiments was on the > bending of stellar light (pulled by the moon (a distant/known star) HENCE > (and I don't have a 'Better Universal Constant', BUT once bent point A and > point B (in your thinking 1 & 2) "PS He knew That also, but was the first > to grab that 'speed'" (lucky guy!:).. So, CAN YOU DO THE ABOVE without THE > BENDING of Time(?).. Since light WILL Bend also, your CONSTANT is no > longer a Constant! Great thoughts to ponder, and Hollywood (ie Back to > the Future rolls on, tell we find a TRUE CONSTANT..(THEN it would 'Fit') > -=se=- Until then don't reley on 'Bent Time', you'll get Bent Results... > It may (G=PUSH?, G=PULL?, G=Math(E!)) be correct, BUT NOT with C (light). Another thought I had late last night was this: If everything in the universe that has mass has gravity, then would this work? ---------OO <---Weight on a rod _II_ | | <--Moter |____| Could I spin a small weight on the end of a rod at very very hight speed. This speed would half to be very high, say neer the speed of light. This would be done in a vacume with very strong materials. Anyway, would the gravity of the weight start to lag behind. If gravity is a particl (the gravitron) then what is its speed. The gravity should start to twist and make a vortex. This vortex would act like a tracter beam. I don't know what this would look like, but maby there are planets orbiting stars that show this effect. Please tell me what you think. Andrew Cantino ac817@seorf.ohiou.edu http://www.seorf.ohiou.edu/~xx053/homepage.html http://www.seorf.ohiou.edu/~xx053/hide/free.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 24 17:35:25 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id RAA13629 for bilb@eskimo.com; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 17:34:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 17:34:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Envelope-From: vrlance@downtown.inu.net Thu Oct 24 17:33:23 1996 Received: from downtown.inu.net (downtown.inu.net [208.129.164.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA13322 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 17:32:31 -0700 (PDT) Old-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 17:32:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610250032.RAA13322@mail.eskimo.com> Received: from [208.129.164.50] by downtown.inu.net (SMTPD32-3.02) id AB06B0236; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 19:34:14 -0500 X-Sender: vrlance@mail.inu.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_846210931==_" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: vrlance@downtown.inu.net (Bob Rutherford) Subject: Plasma Focus Device X-Attachments: C:\INETAPPS\EUDORA\PLASMA.GIF; X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list X-Envelope-To: freenrg-l Status: RO X-Status: --=====================_846210931==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Has anyone else read a book titled " The Big Bang Never Happened" by Eric J. Lerner ISBN 0-679-74049-X. I'm not interested in starting a debate on the origin of the universe, rather, I call attention to this book because of Lerner's treatment of plasma vortex and force-free filaments as the main players in shaping much of the matter, galaxies etc. in our universe. Of particular interest is a device called the plasma focus. This device was invented independently by a Soviet, N. V. Filippov, and an American, Joseph Mather in the early sixties. It is extremely simple. The focus consists of two conducting cylinders, the outer one copper and the inner one brass, nested inside each other but insulated from each other by pyrex glass. The outer one was several centimeters across. See attached GIF. The book does not give any more specific dimensions. When a large current is discharged across the cylinder, a sequence of events ensues. The result is a plasmoid, only a half milimeter across which contains all the energy stored in the magnetic field of the entire device! The plasmoid is stable for a fraction of a microsecond, then collapses releasing its energy as two high-energy beams, the electrons in one direction and ions in the other. The beams consist of extremely dense, helical filiments about a micron in thickness and issue parallel to the axis of the cylinders and perpendicular to the plane of the plasmoid disc. The compression in the plasmoid collaps is enough to cause fusion of some of the nuclei. It seems to me there is some potential here for an over-unity device. The device was designed mainly to investigate fusion. I wonder if it could be redesigned to operate in a resonant oscillation mode or if the oppositely charged beams could be tapped? To quote Lerner " A plasma focus can increase the power density of its emissions by a factor of ten thousand trillion over that of the incoming energy...". I present this idea to those more capable than I in prototyping. I would persue this myself except for 2 reasons. 1. 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From: "gene (g.) batten" Sender: "gene (g.) batten" Message-ID: <"6059 Thu Oct 24 12:26:38 1996"@bnr.ca> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Run Gasoline engine on Brown's Gas? Resent-Message-ID: <"svbzg.0.JE6.7N3So"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/437 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: In message "Run Gasoline engine on Brown's Gas?", you write: > Please send me your snail mail address and I'll send you whatever information > I have on the brown's gas system developed by Dahl. Steve Kaplan > > Thanks for the offer. I have already received info from Dahle. Gene Batten mdleb@nortel.ca From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 25 02:45:08 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id OAA02293; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 14:51:46 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 14:51:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 15:51:00 -0600 (MDT) From: steve ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Wormhole In-Reply-To: <199610231914.PAA13667@big.seorf.ohiou.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"9ggfU1.0.fZ.hJ-Ro"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/434 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Wed, 23 Oct 1996, Andrew Cantino wrote: > Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 15:14:44 -0400 (EDT) > From: Andrew Cantino > Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: Wormhole > Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 12:55:10 -0700 (PDT) > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > > ---Wormhole (teleportation) creation--- > > Diagram one: > ----------- > - - > - EARTH - > - 1 - > _____________ - - ___________________SPACE-TIME_________ > \ - 2 - / > \ ----------- / > \______________/ > > An object at position (1) can move to position (2) through a > hole in space-time. The object would be traveling down into > the Earth's dip in the space-time, so the object would be self > propelled. An object at position (2) could only get to > position (1) by propelling itsself. > > Diagram two: > > ----------------------------------------- > --------------___________________-------- \ > -------------/ \------- \ Bent space-time --> > ------------/1 /---------------\2 \------ \ > ----------------------------------------- > > (1) has a direct connection to (2) through space-time. > > Andrew Cantino ** ac817@seorf.ohiou.edu > http://www.seorf.ohiou.edu/~xx053/homepage.html > http://www.seorf.ohiou.edu/~xx053/hide/free.html > While mathmatically it's ok, Einstien misses (as we all do) a true*constant (i.e light) in 1905 one of his first experiments was on the bending of stellar light (pulled by the moon (a distant/known star) HENCE (and I don't have a 'Better Universal Constant', BUT once bent point A and point B (in your thinking 1 & 2) "PS He knew That also, but was the first to grab that 'speed'" (lucky guy!:).. So, CAN YOU DO THE ABOVE without THE BENDING of Time(?).. Since light WILL Bend also, your CONSTANT is no longer a Constant! Great thoughts to ponder, and Hollywood (ie Back to the Future rolls on, tell we find a TRUE CONSTANT..(THEN it would 'Fit') -=se=- Until then don't reley on 'Bent Time', you'll get Bent Results... It may (G=PUSH?, G=PULL?, G=Math(E!)) be correct, BUT NOT with C (light). From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 25 03:03:45 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id MAA26881; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 12:17:15 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 12:17:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 21:17:18 GMT Message-Id: <199610242117.VAA27922@korovev.stm.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: j.hasslberger@agora.stm.it (Josef Hasslberger) Subject: Re: Institutions and policies that can bring us closer to workable free energy Resent-Message-ID: <"rB4sS.0.qZ6.s2yRo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/433 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > >To:Kap808@aol.com >From:j.hasslberger@agora.stm.it (Josef Hasslberger) >Subject:Re: Institutions and policies that can bring us closer to workable >free energy > >>As I mentioned in an earlier posting, Brian O'Leary and I are in the final >>stages of preparing an article for the general public on free energy >>developments, which we will first submit to the NY Times Magazine. We would >>like to get your views regarding the kinds of policies or practices by public >>or private groups that would best facilitate research and development in the >>field. How can people best use the Internet? Should new groups be formed? >>Would it be useful to create a free energy mutual fund? What role should >>government play? Active investor in research? Conduct research in >>government laboratories? Or should government just get out of the way? >>Are new institutions needed? >> >>This is your chance to play "statesman" or "stateswoman". Tell us your >>views. If you want your views to be kept confidential, you can write to me at >>3635 SW 87th, #12, Portland, OR 97225. We want to be able to report what >>people who are active in this field believe about how we can best move into a >>free-energy world. Thanks in advance for your responses. Steve Kaplan & >>Brian O'Leary > >Well, first of all it would be important to let those creative minds work who >are already working on free energy. This would include, but not necessarily be >limited to: > >- access to financing for free energy projects, as long as some serious >results can be expected. > >- removing the current barriers from patentability of free energy devices. We >have the ridiculous situation, that patent offices refuse to patent anything >they conceive as violating the laws of conservation or of thermodynamics. It >is not for the patent officers to be the keepers of these laws. If a free >energy researcher says he found a way to make energy from an unexplained and a >(so far) >unexplainable source, let him have a patent. Currently, patents are obtained >by dissimulating anything that faintly smells of overunity because that would >throw out the patent application as 'invalid'. (See also an article on patents >on my home page: http://www.agora.stm.it/J.Hasslberger) > >Government could and should be involved, but I think that there is a deep >rooted fear that free energy will somehow wreck the economy. Who started that >rumour I do not know, but certainly the government agencies act as though they >needed to protect the economy from the intrusion of anything that could upset >current balances or economic interests. It is that misconception that has to >be handled as a first-off action. Government is not here to protect the >economic interests of the oil companies or anyone else for that matter, and if >there would be far reaching economic changes, they would probably be in favor >of the population and of governability, not the opposite. > >For an example of the response of government officials to someone who tried to >"sell" them a free energy device, get hold of the latest issue of NEXUS >magazine (october/november 96) and read the article in the science section, on >a water powered car. > >Once these two basic blocks are removed, (patent offices guarding scientific >orthodoxy and government guarding select economic interests) we will see a >freeing up of the new energy scene like nothing you ever imagined. > >Kind regards - Josef Josef Hasslberger, Rampa Brancaleone 25 - 00165 Rome - ITALY when you have nothing better to do, check out my homepage for philosophical views on physics, economy and new energy at http://www.agora.stm.it/J.Hasslberger From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 25 08:04:14 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id HAA07040; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 07:59:47 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 07:59:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 07:57:30 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Statement Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"587a5.0.pj1.FNDSo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/442 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: ................................freenrg-L.................................... William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd Moderator: FREENRG-L VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 08:02:04 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Cc: bilb@eskimo.com Subject: Statement Today is yet another dark day in human development. I Bruce A. Perreault being of sound mind, under no physical threat, on this 25th day of October in the year 1996 state: 1) Radiation in any way, shape or form may be harmful to your health. I hereby retract any statements made by me prior to this day. 2) That under no conditions should anyone handle radioactive material without prior consent from the Country that they reside. 3) Radioactive materials should be handled by compediant government appointed Scientists. 4) I hereby request that William Beaty remove my name from his subscription list. 5) Any and all inquires to radiological health and safety should be reported to your local Division of Public Health Services, Bureau of Radiologigal Health. Any questionable sources of radiological material must be reported to this office. 6) Bruce A. Perreault shall not be available for comment. 7) Good luck and I wish everyone the very best. Respectfully submitted, Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 25 08:06:41 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id HAA06739; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 07:58:20 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 07:58:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 07:56:24 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: MAIL CRASH AT ESKIMO.COM Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"gN5T_1.0.Bf1.7MDSo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/440 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Eskimo.com email was screwy yesterday (thurs) and yesterday night. All email was either bounced or eaten, and digests were apparently affected. Please re-send anything which hasn't come back to you via the list, or which hasn't appeared in the monthly archive. .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 25 08:07:16 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id HAA06884; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 07:58:56 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 07:58:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 07:56:56 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: re: response Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"VobL12.0.Ph1.gMDSo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/441 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Wed, 23 Oct 1996, Bruce A. Perreault wrote: > Bruce A. Perreault wrote: > > > > Hello William Beaty, > > > > I am doing the best that I can. > > > > I feel that Mr. Humphey is butely attacking me. This may be so. Or, Mr. Humphrey may simply have misunderstood the ad for your book. If he though the book contained plans for a working demonstration device, and later found that the device in the plans would not function, had never been tested, and was missing a key part, then he would rightfully feel ripped off. Regardless, I assume that long ago he returned the book to you and you refunded his money. Is my assumption incorrect? If not, he has a claim against you and could take you to court. > > May be "threating" him with court action will > > tone down these attacks. It has been my experience that when you hit someone, they often hit back twice as hard. If you threaten lawsuit, always be prepared for the other side to actually *start* lawsuit proceedings. Better is to take the usual strategy regarding businesses: The Customer Is Always Right. When someone complains about a purchase, a business immediately refunds their money. If the customer is also angry, it refunds their money and lets them keep the product. If the customer is angry, offended, and is telling all the other customers about the situation, then start sending the customer free products, have the company president call up and grovel for forgiveness, do anything to make that customer happy again. > > I feel that he is trying > > to do a great injustance to my work. If he really > > wanted to do research with the tubes he would ask > > questions like others have done in this group. > > I think Mr. Humphey is so mad because he could not > > turn a quick buck with the tubes. Or maybe he is mad for exactly the reasons he has given. > > I have never mislead people with any of my offers. > > However, the Tesla Society has crossed this line. Aha! This may be the key. Did the Tesla Society advertisement for your book mislead buyers into thinking it was plans for a working device? If so, then Mr. Humphrey should be attacking the ITS, and rightfully so. Did they create the book advertisement without having you approve the wording? If so, then you are entirely without blame, and Mr. Humphrey is attacking the wrong person. Does anyone have a copy of the ITS ad? I've never seen it myself. If it is misleading, and if Mr. Perrault did not approve it, then Mr. Humphrey should rightfully go after the ITS, not after Mr. Perrault. .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 25 08:18:44 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id IAA08115; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 08:03:44 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 08:03:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 08:03:24 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! (light transmitters) (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"6sG6m3.0.g-1.BRDSo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/445 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 18:55:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Chuck Knight To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! (light transmitters) Well, a while back, Popular Science had an article about a "super light-bulb" which operated on the same kinds of principles as a fluorescent bulb. However, it worked on radio frequencies, and the phosphor converted it into visible light. I've never seen this product commercialized, however it was supposed to have been. On Mon, 21 Oct 1996, Alan Schneider wrote: > On Mon, 21 Oct 1996, James wrote: > > >Does anyone know anything about turning radio transmitters into light(by > >increasing the carrier wave frequency.) > > > Sorry, mate, it's a bit beyond the current state of the art. > We can barely manage millimetre wavelengths with > radio transmitters. Light is at least three orders of > magnitude further down. > We can generate heat as a byproduct but that's about > as close as we can get. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 25 08:25:51 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id IAA08487; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 08:04:41 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 08:04:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 07:59:29 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Plasma tubes (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"fLelj3.0.R42.7SDSo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/446 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 10:48:26 -0700 (PDT) From: WARREN RICHARDS To: free energy list Subject: Plasma tubes Hello, I am trying to obtain information on plasma tubes. I would like to know the characteristics of xenon flash tubes, neon tubes, and other plasma tube devices. Does anyone know of any good books that contain some information on this subject? Also I am trying to find the companies that sell these types of devices. Thanks in advance Warren Richards From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 25 10:51:37 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id KAA17962; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 10:40:48 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 10:40:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 10:07:14 -0700 Message-Id: <199610251707.KAA16891@dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: atech@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net From: "Dennis C. Lee" Subject: Re: Statement Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-Message-ID: <"cqd8j.0.YO4.PkFSo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/447 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: A Don't you think that we all may be over-reacting? Regards; Dennis C. Lee At 08:02 AM 10/25/96 -0400, you wrote: >Today is yet another dark day in human development. > > I Bruce A. Perreault being of sound mind, under no physical > threat, on this 25th day of October in the year 1996 state: > > 1) Radiation in any way, shape or form may be harmful to your health. > I hereby retract any statements made by me prior to this day. > > 2) That under no conditions should anyone handle radioactive material > without prior consent from the Country that they reside. > > 3) Radioactive materials should be handled by compediant government > appointed Scientists. > > 4) I hereby request that William Beaty remove my name from his > subscription list. > > 5) Any and all inquires to radiological health and safety should > be reported to your local Division of Public Health Services, > Bureau of Radiologigal Health. Any questionable sources of > radiological material must be reported to this office. > > 6) Bruce A. Perreault shall not be available for comment. > > 7) Good luck and I wish everyone the very best. > > Respectfully submitted, Bruce A. Perreault >At 07:56 AM 10/25/96 -0700, you wrote: > >>> > I have never mislead people with any of my offers. >>> > However, the Tesla Society has crossed this line. >> >>Aha! This may be the key. Did the Tesla Society advertisement for your >>book mislead buyers into thinking it was plans for a working device? If >>so, then Mr. Humphrey should be attacking the ITS, and rightfully so. Did >>they create the book advertisement without having you approve the wording? >>If so, then you are entirely without blame, and Mr. Humphrey is attacking >>the wrong person. >> >>Does anyone have a copy of the ITS ad? I've never seen it myself. If it >>is misleading, and if Mr. Perrault did not approve it, then Mr. Humphrey >>should rightfully go after the ITS, not after Mr. Perrault. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 25 11:18:12 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id LAA23983; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 11:00:21 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 11:00:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 11:00:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610251800.LAA23923@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: vrlance@mail.inu.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_846273755==_" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: vrlance@downtown.inu.net (Bob Rutherford) Subject: Plasma Focus Device X-Attachments: C:\INETAPPS\EUDORA\PLASMA.GIF; Resent-Message-ID: <"aisCK1.0.Zs5.p0GSo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/448 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: --=====================_846273755==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Has anyone else read a book titled " The Big Bang Never Happened" by Eric J. Lerner ISBN 0-679-74049-X. I'm not interested in starting a debate on the origin of the universe, rather, I call attention to this book because of Lerner's treatment of plasma vortex and force-free filaments as the main players in shaping much of the matter, galaxies etc. in our universe. Of particular interest is a device called the plasma focus. This device was invented independently by a Soviet, N. V. Filippov, and an American, Joseph Mather in the early sixties. It is extremely simple. The focus consists of two conducting cylinders, the outer one copper and the inner one brass, nested inside each other but insulated from each other by pyrex glass. The outer one was several centimeters across. See attached GIF. The book does not give any more specific dimensions. When a large current is discharged across the cylinder, a sequence of events ensues. The result is a plasmoid, only a half milimeter across which contains all the energy stored in the magnetic field of the entire device! 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steve ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! (light transmitters) (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"KYIl22.0.Qx5.PpHSo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/449 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 25 Oct 1996, William Beaty wrote: > Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 08:03:24 -0700 (PDT) > From: William Beaty > Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! (light transmitters) (fwd) > Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 08:03:43 -0700 (PDT) > Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 18:55:20 -0700 (PDT) > From: Chuck Knight > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! (light transmitters) > > > Well, a while back, Popular Science had an article about a "super > light-bulb" which operated on the same kinds of principles as a >>>> fluorescent bulb. However, it worked on radio frequencies, and the > phosphor converted it into visible light. I've never seen this product > commercialized, however it was supposed to have been. > > On Mon, 21 Oct 1996, Alan Schneider wrote: > > > On Mon, 21 Oct 1996, James wrote: > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >Does anyone know anything about turning radio transmitters into light(by > > >increasing the carrier wave frequency.) > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Sorry, mate, it's a bit beyond the current state of the art. > > We can barely manage millimetre wavelengths with > > radio transmitters. Light is at least three orders of > > magnitude further down. > > We can generate heat as a byproduct but that's about > > as close as we can get. > Acutally, a simple START(ing) place is to just place a light-bulb into your home type MicroWave Oven.. Turn on.. and The BULB 'LIGHTS!'... (This trick is used by repairmen to check for leaks around door seals of the oven).. WARNING.. it doesn't 'Work' for long so be sure and turn off the oven as soon as you see the bulb light (20-60 seconds) will usually blow the bulb. So the Technology/YourQuestion is not out of the bounderies of workablity. Like I said, this is on a starting place using the bulb as a reciever / for your radio freq xmitter, but you get light. -=se=- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 25 15:13:53 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id OAA15440; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 14:39:37 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 14:39:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Guy Ricci Message-Id: <199610252137.RAA63118@hopi.gate.net> Subject: Re: Antigrav for Real? To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 17:37:40 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <199610231952.TAA02789@korovev.stm.it> from "Josef Hasslberger" at Oct 23, 96 07:52:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"DfQYL2.0.5n3.KEJSo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/451 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > Yes, I just find the article. It is in a german popular magazine > (raum&zeit). The guy doing the experiments is Leo Hendriks of Aesch, > Switzerland. Josef, Thanks for digging up the info on the German rotating disk experiment. I find this whole rotation thing affecting weight fascinating. According to Einstein, acceleration is synonymous with gravity. A spinning disk is accelerating radially. I suppose this would interact with the ambient gravitational field? My grasp of physics is not up to attempting an explanation, I fear. The fact that it only had an effect in one direction of rotation must be a clue, though. We're standing on a big spinning disk (well, sphere). I wonder if there is some interaction there. Maybe, we should try the experiment at the North and South Poles and see if there is a difference. > He started out from the japanese paper but did not let his gyros fall. He > worked with steel discs in wooden mounts (to prevent magnetic build up) and What do you mean by "magnetic build up"? > it seems he measured weight loss of up to 104 per cent. 104 per cent... Does that mean it weighed only half its original weight, or did it become totally weightless, or what? I'm confused... Guy From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 25 17:49:28 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id RAA13930; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 17:47:02 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 17:47:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 17:46:43 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: ops@introtech.com cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: HELP!!! with protocol In-Reply-To: <3270E338.677E@introtech.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"fgqFv1.0.SP3.3-LSo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/452 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Fri, 25 Oct 1996, Henry Eisenson wrote: > PLEASE let me know how to unsubscribe freenrg-l. Thanks!!! Send a blank message with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line. 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William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 25 21:47:11 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id VAA29671; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 21:46:35 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 21:46:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 21:46:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610260446.VAA11255@claim.goldrush.com> X-Sender: crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wesly crosiar Subject: Re: Car motor running on water Resent-Message-ID: <"1oH1h1.0.VF7.fUPSo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/453 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 11:24 PM 10/25/96 GMT, you wrote: >Here is what I found in the last issue of Nexus magazine: > >A WATER FUELLED CAR >by carl Cella Hey: This is awsome!! Someone please! get the drawings and full text, that has a scanner and post this!!! Can this be confirmed??? crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM THANKS WES WESLEY CROSIAR PO BOX 268 SAN ANDREAS, CA. 95249 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 25 22:10:14 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id KAA12725 for bilb@eskimo.com; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 10:21:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 10:21:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Envelope-From: vrlance@downtown.inu.net Fri Oct 25 10:19:24 1996 Received: from downtown.inu.net (downtown.inu.net [208.129.164.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA11841 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 10:17:21 -0700 (PDT) Old-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 10:17:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610251717.KAA11841@mail.eskimo.com> Received: from [208.129.164.54] by downtown.inu.net (SMTPD32-3.02) id A66A1110138; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 12:18:34 -0500 X-Sender: vrlance@mail.inu.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_846271202==_" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: vrlance@downtown.inu.net (Bob Rutherford) Subject: Plasma Focus Device X-Attachments: C:\INETAPPS\EUDORA\PLASMA.GIF; X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list X-Envelope-To: freenrg-l Status: O X-Status: --=====================_846271202==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Has anyone else read a book titled " The Big Bang Never Happened" by Eric J. Lerner ISBN 0-679-74049-X. I'm not interested in starting a debate on the origin of the universe, rather, I call attention to this book because of Lerner's treatment of plasma vortex and force-free filaments as the main players in shaping much of the matter, galaxies etc. in our universe. Of particular interest is a device called the plasma focus. This device was invented independently by a Soviet, N. V. Filippov, and an American, Joseph Mather in the early sixties. It is extremely simple. The focus consists of two conducting cylinders, the outer one copper and the inner one brass, nested inside each other but insulated from each other by pyrex glass. The outer one was several centimeters across. See attached GIF. The book does not give any more specific dimensions. When a large current is discharged across the cylinder, a sequence of events ensues. The result is a plasmoid, only a half milimeter across which contains all the energy stored in the magnetic field of the entire device! The plasmoid is stable for a fraction of a microsecond, then collapses releasing its energy as two high-energy beams, the electrons in one direction and ions in the other. The beams consist of extremely dense, helical filiments about a micron in thickness and issue parallel to the axis of the cylinders and perpendicular to the plane of the plasmoid disc. The compression in the plasmoid collaps is enough to cause fusion of some of the nuclei. It seems to me there is some potential here for an over-unity device. The device was designed mainly to investigate fusion. I wonder if it could be redesigned to operate in a resonant oscillation mode or if the oppositely charged beams could be tapped? To quote Lerner " A plasma focus can increase the power density of its emissions by a factor of ten thousand trillion over that of the incoming energy...". I present this idea to those more capable than I in prototyping. I would persue this myself except for 2 reasons. 1. I live on a tight budget so spending several hundred dollars on a research project is just out of reach for me at this time. ( I'm raising a family). 2. My children are still very young. I'm not about to build high voltage, high engery projects until they are much older. 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Message-Id: <199610260542.WAA20836@hungary.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mrandall@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Randall Subject: Re: Car motor running on water Resent-Message-ID: <"ehUZp1.0.NV2.YJQSo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/454 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 09:46 PM 10/25/96 -0700, you wrote: >At 11:24 PM 10/25/96 GMT, you wrote: >>Here is what I found in the last issue of Nexus magazine: >> >>A WATER FUELLED CAR >>by carl Cella >Hey: This is awsome!! Someone please! get the drawings and full text, that >has a scanner and post this!!! Can this be confirmed??? >crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM THANKS WES >WESLEY CROSIAR >PO BOX 268 >SAN ANDREAS, CA. 95249 > Cella's plan's has been around since 1987 and no one has confirmed it yet. I built one a couple of years ago but it didn't create enough H2/O2 to power a 5 hp Briggs and Straton engine. I had alot of fun trying though. The machining of the parts was the major cost (several hundred dollars), but if you have a metal lath you can fabricate your own. Brown's gas is much more efficient, and less costly to build, in the generation of water fuel and several researchers are currently working on this line. Michael Randall From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 25 22:49:15 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id IAA07888; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 08:02:58 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 08:02:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 07:58:04 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Plasma Focus Device (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="=====================_846182054==_" Content-ID: Resent-Message-ID: <"1NITz2.0.pw1.KQDSo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/444 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --=====================_846182054==_ Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Content-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 09:51:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Rutherford To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Plasma Focus Device Has anyone else read a book titled " The Big Bang Never Happened" by Eric J. Lerner ISBN 0-679-74049-X. I'm not interested in starting a debate on the origin of the universe, rather, I call attention to this book because of Lerner's treatment of plasma vortex and force-free filaments as the main players in shaping much of the matter, galaxies etc. in our universe. Of particular interest is a device called the plasma focus. This device was invented independently by a Soviet, N. V. Filippov, and an American, Joseph Mather in the early sixties. It is extremely simple. The focus consists of two conducting cylinders, the outer one copper and the inner one brass, nested inside each other but insulated from each other by pyrex glass. The outer one was several centimeters across. See attached GIF. The book does not give any more specific dimensions. When a large current is discharged across the cylinder, a sequence of events ensues. The result is a plasmoid, only a half milimeter across which contains all the energy stored in the magnetic field of the entire device! The plasmoid is stable for a fraction of a microsecond, then collapses releasing its energy as two high-energy beams, the electrons in one direction and ions in the other. The beams consist of extremely dense, helical filiments about a micron in thickness and issue parallel to the axis of the cylinders and perpendicular to the plane of the plasmoid disc. The compression in the plasmoid collaps is enough to cause fusion of some of the nuclei. It seems to me there is some potential here for an over-unity device. The device was designed mainly to investigate fusion. I wonder if it could be redesigned to operate in a resonant oscillation mode or if the oppositely charged beams could be tapped? To quote Lerner " A plasma focus can increase the power density of its emissions by a factor of ten thousand trillion over that of the incoming energy...". I present this idea to those more capable than I in prototyping. I would persue this myself except for 2 reasons. 1. I live on a tight budget so spending several hundred dollars on a research project is just out of reach for me at this time. ( I'm raising a family). 2. My children are still very young. I'm not about to build high voltage, high engery projects until they are much older. 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<199610252324.XAA25512@korovev.stm.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: j.hasslberger@agora.stm.it (Josef Hasslberger) Subject: Re: Car motor running on water Resent-Message-ID: <"a0Eoh2.0.QA3.03JSo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/450 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Here is what I found in the last issue of Nexus magazine: A WATER FUELLED CAR by carl Cella I am the madman behind the US heavy-metal band, "Rampage", but long before my musical success I was mechanically inclined, and the possibility of running a car on fuel extracted from water intrigued me no end. After reading all the information >I could find on the subject of hydrogen generators, I built my first actual unit in 1983, mounting it in the trunk of a 1979 Cadillac Coupe de Ville. I constructed my system from the best of all the other systems I read about, and then went even further, using the strongest materials and cleanest layout possible within reason. All the titanium nuts and bolts were scored from an aircraft salvage supply: they're cheaper, used, and since they'll never wear out that's one way to save some big bucks. Certain head and exhaust system modifications have to be made to expect trouble-free extended use. For one, the combustion of hydrogen results in the rebonding of the previously-separated hydrogen and oxygen molecules, making the engine's exhaust water vapour steam, and nothing else - meaning absolutely no pollution at all! Most auto makers use cast-iron exhaust manifolds and steel valves. The combined effects of heat and moisture (moisture not being present in the combustion of petroleum-based fuels) cause extremely rapid corrosion of the system. Part of the fix is to install stainless-steel valves and an exhaust system constructed entirely out of stainless steel. Racing shops sell stainless-steel valves and stainless-steel 'turbo' mufflers that all work fine. Since hydrogen does not contain lead as some gasoline does, if you're not using a late-model, no-lead engine, the heads will have to be reworked to include valve seats not needing the lubrification lead provides. As for building this device to sell as a completed system, that's a dead issue. In 1983, I contacted the Department of Energy to show them that my car actually worked. I was confronted by two very belligerent 'agents of tyrannical oppression' who told me that if I tried to sell pre-built units, I'd have a lot of "problems". I asked zhy, demanding an explanation, asd was told very bluntly, and not in a very nice tone: "Do you have any idea what a device like this, available to the public, would do to the economy?" This technology is so simple that anyone with over half a brain - and knowledgeable in auto mechanics - can build one of these units. I've included comprehensive, no-bullshit, drafted design layouts, parts lists, maintenance tips, and a whole lot of engine modification concepts to make construction, part fabrication and implementation as easy as reasonably possible. The unit I built works as great as I claim it to, but I offer only the printed information on how to build your own, and I take no personal responsibility for damage of any kind caused to your vehicle or self. I have only applied my unit to a carburetted engine; I've never attempted an application to a fuel-injected engine, nor do I make any such claim that an application of that type would be easily performed, if possible at all. Every cubuc foot of water contains about 1,376 cubic feet of hydrogen gas and 680 cubic feet of oxygen. Because there is no pollution produced, all smog devices may be completely removed, legally, and your car exempted from smog checks, as are propane-powered vehicles. The only maintenance I have encountered is, periodically, to wire-brush mineral deposits off the reaction chamber electrodes and, at longer intervals, to clean out the chamber itself - neither of which is complicated or very time consuming. I've incorporated so many backup electrodes so this job won't be required roadside - as it was for me when I first used only one, not knowing about any deposits entirely covering the electrodes and thus halting the electrical reaction process. When the car dies out, you just flip another switch until you're somewhere able to brush the reactor's electrodes clean in reasonable comfort - and not northbound on Highway 5, halfway between Los Angeles and San Francisco, where my first breakdown was. Where the steel gasoline tank used to be, a plastic water tank is fitted, along with an electric float sensor that should be attached to the vehicle's existing fuel gauge. If you were to start your engine with no midifications other than the carburettor to accept hydrogen fuel, it will run fine but the exhaust system will corrode in almost no time, and if you leave the engine turned off for an extended period, your stock valves and guides will rust up and seize! Stainless-steel valves don't cost much and are as trouble-free as the stainless-steel exhaust system, so don't be a fool and try to go cheap because you'll only cause yourself added expense and headaches, and you'll be cursing me for your own stupidity. For the cast-iron combustion chambers and valve ports, there is a high-temperature ceramic coating called "heanium" that can be pre-formed to guard against the same corrosion that affects the valves, guides, exhaust system and also the intake manifold, as moisture down there will also cause corrosion. Petroleum-based fuels have their own detergent action that protects against corrosion, much like soaking parts in oil prevents corrosion. When using hydrogen as an internal combustion engine fuel, extra precautions must be taken to make extended operation a reality, and not some drive-a-few-thousand-miles-between-fried-engines bullshit. Don't use sea water! It contains approximately three-fourths of a pound of salt in every gallon. Salt is a material that will coat the electrodes very quickly, just making one big mess. The reason for electrode deposit buildup is that tap water is never 100 per cent pure: it contains mineral contaminants that are drawn to the traction-chamber electrode during the electricallt-activated molecular separation process, that results in the hydrogen contained in water being released from the oxygen molecules they are bonded to, making a fuel that can power an internal combustion engine. I offer no design for an exhaust steam condenser, but I do make the suggestion that one applicable to an automobile can be built to increase the cost-free mileage even further between fill-ups. A concept would include some form of exhaust-fed radiator that could incorporate air ducts, leading from scoops, to direct highway speed airflow across it. I offer the idea, but not the design,because many aspects must be considered, such as: the least amount of back pressure, unit pressure, unit placement with regard to configuration by the limit or abundance of that space - though this one would be constructed for a stationary, engine-powered electrical generator, where space limitation is of no concern. Remember, the cylinder walls are cast iron and prone to rust, but they can be kept clean by piston action (as long as it's not left sitting for long periods between use). An automobile engine culd feasibly be constructed with non-corrosive stainless-steel heads and cylinders straight from the factory - a solid reason to justify spending twenty-five grand or more for a car, because the fuel to run it would be free. There has been much criticism over hydrogen as an auto fuel, most of it coming straight from those who have the most to lose if hydrogen ever achieves widespread use as an automotive fuel. There are some factory-built high-performance cars on the market that already come with stainless-steel valves, but they are few and far between, and you still have to change the exhaust systems. For the carburettor to accept vapour-state fuel, it must be converted using the same parts that are used in propane/butane engine fuel systems, such as carburettor kits by "IMPCO", or similar, that do the same thing, i.e. enable your engine to be powered by a vapour-state fuel. Because no pollution is produced, the engine may be rebuilt 'legally' with higher performance parts, like a camshaft that, in gasoline, would have increased exhaust pollutant emissions, thus making it 'illegal' for highway use. Of course, it's only a 'crime' if you get 'caught', but those pay-again-every-time-your-vehicle-fails smog checks are a pain in the ass, not to mention the wallet. A similar type of mechanism that opens and closes tretractable headlights could be implemented in a dashboard switch-activated system that could open a trunk lid-mounted scoop that captures rain, with a flexible hose line that directs it into the main tank, either while the vehicle is in motion or parked. Just watch the fuel gauge, and close the scoop when you see "Full"! While it may be a long time before we are able to purchase an entirely corrosion-resistant, exotic alloy engine, I am offering the complete design for a hydrogen generator that will power a car - but any engine modifications I outline are only given as basic concepts. It's up to you to implement what is applicable to your particular engine. Use some initiative. Don't rely on whether I wrote it or not. If you discover a part or process that I haven't mentioned, that will in any way protect your engine further from the effects of corrosion, use it! I've written this to help people wake up from the big lie of having to depend on oil companies just to drive a car. Building as many units as I can for personal use only, and writing this booklet, are about the only things I can 'legally' do to try to help the world wake up. A hydrogen generator produces an energy potential in excess of 100 per cent efficiency!!! You read it right: free energy! A car's battery starts the engine, but once it's running, the alternator takes over to charge the battery and power the ignition system. With an onboard hydrogen generator, that alternator also powers the hydrogen extraction process, producing the energy needed to fuel the engine that runs the alternator. No external power source is needed; so long as there is water available, the entire system is self-sufficient in operation. An estra trunk-mounted battery would provide more current - if ever needed - to run everything at once without overloading the electrical system. System Operation The dash-mounted switches for turning on the reactor are also wired to activate the chamber feedwater pump at the same time. When the car dies out, that signals to you that an electrode has been totally crusted over with deposits from the impure fuel water. This means the electrically-activated molecular separation process (electrolysis) has halted. These switches should also have indicator lights to let you know which one is on, and flip-up caps to guard against accidental activation. When the need arises to go to back-up, turn off the switch for the 'dead' electrode, as well as close its electrical shut-off-valve. The purpose of these gas valves is to keep pressurised oxygen from escaping up through the 'off' electrode fittings into the hydrogen lines, possibly resulting in your car becoming a "Highway Hindenburg"! Hydrogen is separated from its molecular bond with oxygen by exposing the fluid of water to direct-current voltage. Hydrogen is attracted to a negative charge, while oxygen is attracted to a positive charge. This process generates heat in the chamber, so trunk placement is best with an aluminium or plywood wall built between the reactor and the rest of the available trunk space. Small cars are light on gasoline, thus cheaper to operatr, but when all of a sudden the fuel becomes free, the size and weight of the car is of no concern, except for Porsches and similar sportscars, street rods etc. Water is pumped through the reaction chamber, which itself is positively charged, drawing the oxygen molecules out through the water return line to be vented off through the water tank's cap. The hydrogen-attracting electrode extending into the welded-in pipes (and insulated under the t-fitting) is negatively charged. There is a dash-mounted pressure-gauge that is connected before the regulator and mixer. To gbegin hydrogen generation, flip one of the dash-mounted switches and wait for the gauge to show fuel-line pressure; then start the engine when pressure is shown by the gauge to exist. In mounting the unit, remember that the chamber itself is positive, and most cars use a negative chassis ground, so insulated mounts must be fabricated between the positive chamber and the negative trunk-floor. As a final note, this unit is not a concept or a theory! It is tried and proven! I designed this system at age 18 in 1983, and built more than one, using Rampage profits for research and development. I can't sell actual working units, but nothing but death itself can stop me from distributing this information in the hope that people will take the initiative to wake up from the big lie of oil-dependency for auto fuel, and flood the street with hydrogen-powered cars. If enough people find out how simple it is, public pressure may someday soon be put on the government, resulting in the long overdue media exposure they're all so afraid of. Ewewitness News (Channel 7) in Los Angeles didn't want to let the word out that an actual working vehicle had been built by an 18-year-old metalhead! We're supposed to be stupid in the public's eye, from their point of viez! Hydrogen and oxygen gases do not pollute; they help clean out carbon deposits from the engine for better mileage and less engine wear. You'll notice the improved engine performance immediately. (Source: Carl Cella, PO Box 8101 (4176-X), San Luis Obispo, CA 93409-0001, USA. Originally published in Iron Feather Journal No. 13, PO Box 1905, Boulder, CO 80306, USA, and in Psychedelic Illuminations VIII, Fall/Winter 1995/96, PO Box 3186, Fullerton, CA 92634, USA) Note of poster: The article goes on with two pages of designs and parts lists, but unfortunately I have no possibility to scan these in and put them on the net. Maybe someone knows if this has been put on a web page somewhere? In any case, anyone who's really interested should be able to get one of the two publications cited above, or buy the current issue of NEXUS magazine. If you can't find it on a newsstand, here is their address: PO Box 177, Kempton, IL 60946-0177 USA tel. 815 253 6464 and fax 815 253 6300 (I don't have a deal with that magazine or anyone else for that matter, only want to see the technology applied. For some background information on other systems of hydrogen-fuelled engines, I think you can find something on my home page - see my sig file). Sorry for such a looooong post, for those who might not be interested. Regards - Josef Josef Hasslberger, Rampa Brancaleone 25 - 00165 Rome - ITALY when you have nothing better to do, check out my homepage for philosophical views on physics, economy and new energy at http://www.agora.stm.it/J.Hasslberger From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 26 03:44:48 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id DAA19559; Sat, 26 Oct 1996 03:42:13 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 03:42:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610261042.UAA15982@tornado.netspace.net.au> To: "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" Subject: Fwd: Post Date: Sat, 26 Oct 96 21:03:54 -0500 From: Ossie Callanan X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03 Resent-Message-ID: <"3i22N3.0.Vn4.4iUSo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/455 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: -- [ From: Ossie Callanan * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- ------- FORWARD, Original message follows ------- Date: Friday, 25-Oct-96 06:44 PM From: Bruce A. Perreault \ Internet: (nuenergy@cyberportal.net) To: ALL ITS announced plans to construct a radiant device on a their short-wave radio show. I did not have a manual at the time. I had to put together a manual within three days after the broadcast! I was going crazy sifting out data from my computer and files. I compiled a file that I believed and still now believe would enable people to build their own radiant energy device! Mr. Humphey called me and I assisted him with his questions. He never asked for a refund. Furthmore, he received info. that took years to compile. The price that he paid for this info. was modest in my opinion. I never intended to go public with my research with radiant energy. It was Steve Elswick, then President of ITS who talked me into going on his Tesla Hour shortwave radio show. What has occured since I have feared would happen if I went public. Steve convinced me that going public would be the best way to protect my family and I. I want to also point out that I was not paid for doing the Tesla Conference this past July. ITS paid for my plane ticket out there and offered two nights paid to stay at the hotel room. When I got to the hotel on thursday I was told that I was not expected for another. It was John Moreland that paid for my entire stay at the hotel during the Tesla Conference. I have no further comments to add at this point in time. I tried to do a good deed and I get viciously attacked for my efforts. NO MORE! Bruce A. Perreault ------- FORWARD, End of original message ------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 26 06:10:45 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id GAA01582; Sat, 26 Oct 1996 06:10:06 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 06:10:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 07:09:40 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199610261309.HAA20334@inquo.net> X-Sender: katech#mail.inquo.net@SRV1 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com" " From: Kent Subject: Fwd: Post "More Crying" Resent-Message-ID: <"8evlm.0.cO.jsWSo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/456 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > I have no further comments to add at this point in time. I tried to do > a good deed and I get viciously attacked for my efforts. NO MORE! > > > Bruce A. Perreault > > >------- FORWARD, End of original message ------- > > > > Crist, this goes on and on, and on, I am really getting tired of this feel sorry for me.. somone is bitchin; about my invention. and the products I sell routine... your not Being picked on!! if you feel that request for information is a insult, information that appearantly you failed to provide... you need your head examined. Enough allready!! Warmest Regards Kent Andersen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 26 06:45:16 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id GAA06270; Sat, 26 Oct 1996 06:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 06:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 06:44:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610261344.GAA06240@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: vrlance@mail.inu.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: vrlance@downtown.inu.net (Bob Rutherford) Subject: Re-post of Focus device Resent-Message-ID: <"pZt8j3.0.sX1.NNXSo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/457 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Sorry about the multiple posts of the Plasma focus device. My mail kept sending each time I logged on to check the e-mail. It was not intentional. I have corrected the problem. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 26 07:04:08 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id HAA08402; Sat, 26 Oct 1996 07:03:24 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 07:03:24 -0700 (PDT) From: epitaxy@localaccess.com Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19961026140737.00706414@mail.localaccess.com> X-Sender: epitaxy@mail.localaccess.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 07:07:37 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Hieronymous, EEG & FTL X-Mailedby: NT SMTP/LISTSERVER v2.11 (ntmail@net-shopper.co.uk) Resent-Message-ID: <"USGH3.0.632.geXSo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/458 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I would like to point out a possible connection between the "inventor dependent" phenomenon discussed here under the Hieronymous machine thread and one of the KeelyNet files (filename ALTSCI1.*) This file provides very nice correlation between the EEG emanations from human brain and physical effects when working with o/u devices. Especialy these ones using pulsating magnetic fields or high voltage or spinning objects like the Podletnkov antigravity. 1) Please notice how similar the Adams motor is in the arangements of pulsating/rotating magnetic fields. 2) Also please crossreference the SHAPE of "plasma glow" around one of the Hamel flying disks (http://www.cascadia-net.com/magnet/p66.htm) and the shape of the electical exitation field described in the KeelyNet article. 3) Taos Hum, HAARP, Searl, ESP, Podletnkov antigravity spinning disk and all kinds of weird stuff could be related here. I am including an excerpt from this article below for your convenience. (It seems far out, but try to read it all and correlate) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...Excitation and accelerated time, less inertia, gravity, and mass, are all connected. Ships may travel hundreds of times faster than light without time dilation, and energy needed for this is very little. Communications are also FTL. EEG waves from 1-60 Hz (cycles per second) ARE telepathy, but they come from fast time, so they are compressed in time or bandwidth. Ordinary radios are not quick enough to detect the information. All we detect is this 60 Hz signal at light speed but information inside travels faster than light. And an ordinary radio will reveal the signal when in an excited state.* Man left to himself dreams of a paradise where technology and nature are in perfect harmony, where he is immortal and free of disease, needs, and wants, and this can be done directly from mind to product this very day using lightlines. As someone who has worked on the B2 bomber and its more advanced cousins in the Air Force for twenty years, I can tell you the whole story is unbelievable. Twenty hours is too conservative a time estimate for complete explanation. Some crafts we have do use electromagnetism to nullify gravity and even extract hidden information from EEG waves, but these are not deployed and will not be until they are needed. They pump electricity from inside themselves into a sheet of electricity some distance away, exactly as the earth is positive "ground" and the ionosphere a negative sheet. This sheet bends parallel radar waves around the craft like a water droplet in a rainbow, or just like the ionosphere bends radio waves, making for long distance communications. This is a relatively simple and straightforward effect. And it is what Einstein was attempting in Project Rainbow or the Philadelphia Experiment. We desperately wanted radar invisibility. The Germans were engaged in the same effort fifty years ago. But electric vacuum, the vortex field, also causes excitation of atoms in it, which shifts waves in frequency and accelerates time. I am willing to reveal all I know about these things in full detail here. The Air Force feels it has nothing to worry about because nobody would believe these things, even though they require no special admission but are based entirely on relativity and simple electromagnetic laws. First, I tell how electrons are controlled in electromagnetic fields using physics and Maxwell's equations. Then two systems are given for establishing a "permanent excitation" in a volume. The practical system uses a magnetic vortex and weak static field. Next temporal effects are described by contrasting how people in gravity and then excitation fields perceive quanta. Then FTL travel and communications are discussed, as well as how EEG waves are telepathy, but information is compressed in time or bandwidth. By the end you will see there is much more at stake in the government keeping this secret than gravity alone. There are three fields we can use to set up such an "electric vacuum" with external electric sheet. These are: (1) Static magnetic fields (2) Alternating magnetic fields (3) Pulsating (PDC) magnetic fields and we need a description of electromagnetics to understand these. Imagine a permanent magnet with north pole out of your monitor. Its flux can be imagined as a large number of X marks on your screen. An electron moves in the plane of the monitor from left to right. As it cuts flux Lorentz force F = qvB deflects it downward. The electron actually spirals clockwise with radius r = mv / qB, with B in teslas and all other measures in MKSA units. If the electron came from opposite direction it would spiral same direction, or clockwise as we see it. Lorentz force derives from static magnetic fields when there is relative motion between the field and electron. No force is felt when motion is parallel to magnetic flux, only when flux lines are cut. And this static field performs no work. The relevant Maxwell equation here is curl E = -dB/dt, and since tesla density is static here, dB/dt is zero, curl E is zero, and the field is by definition conservative. No work is done on electrons, so we deduce electrons spiral but maintain the same velocity or kinetic energy. Static electrons can also be accelerated by magnetic fields. In that case curl E is nonzero and we see electrons must absorb energy, or be accelerated, by the time-variant magnetic field. This case is actually the same as the above case, but as current changes in the coil flux expands or collapses from the coil. There is still relative motion and electrons still experience the same Lorentz force. For example, sending pulsating instead of direct current through the same coil in the same direction causes the same spiraling effect on static electrons as the static field had on moving electrons. Sending AC through causes periodic reversals of electrons. The field around the coil can be given by E(r,t) = 1/2pir*dF/dt, where F is flux in webers. The electric lines form concentric circles about the coil, and another way to say this is E = f * B, where f is frequency in Hz, B is average tesla density of a periodic current, and E is volts per meter close to the coil. These three fields, static, AC, and PDC make for any manipulation of electrons. There are two ways to produce the sheet. Both require pumping electrons from inside the ship into a sheet of electricity. The first does this from a central magnetic pole. A strong static magnetic field is set up, and PDC is sent oppositively through the pole to set up circular electric lines about it. Electrons are accelerated circularly about the pole and as soon as they move they experience an outward centrifugal deflection qvB. Each electron which leaves the center of the ship creates a positive hole, and so there is also an internal electric centripetal field F = knqq/rr, where n is the number of electrons removed to the sheet. Each electron has potential energy - kq/r, and the ship has the same potential energy, so it is excited, because excitation is the only way matter absorbs electric energy without heating. Also, one may view removing an electron from an atom as "exciting it past ionization potential." The problem here is electrons are limited to speed of light, and one may assume they gain lightspeed or close to it instantly in any tangible electric field (by v=Eqt/electronmass provided collision time is high enough). Thus speed of light acts to limit qvB centrifugal force and so limit power in the field to around 40 megajoules, very marginal. Another better way is to use a four-coil, two-phase ring, exactly as in two-phase AC motor stators. Its field is in every way that of a real rotating permanent magnet. Imagine such a magnet in the plane of your monitor. We can show flux cuts electrons in such way Lorentz force creates unidirectional electric lines through the monitor. That is, electrons are blown through the screen as air molecules are blown through a circular fan blade. Now suppose we set up the same magnet as above, a coil into the monitor. Its magnetic flux is perpendicular to that of the rotating magnetic field. Electrons are sucked from in front of the monitor, but since they are limited to lightspeed they enter the static field only so far before assuming a circular orbit through Lorentz deflection. Electrons are pulled from inside the ship parallel to static lines, but when they begin to cut static lines just below your monitor screen they spiral out to the same radius as above. Without velocity greater than light they can go no farther. So lightspeed, once our enemy, now means we can put almost any energy into the field we wish. No energy is lost in the field except by collisions, which are minimal at higher electric frequencies, and zero in vacuum. Field density is a function solely of magnetic vortex frequency and tesla density, or electric field strength in volts per meter. The stronger this electric field the more electrons are stripped from inside the ship and more dense the electric sheet becomes. Very little energy is needed at higher frequencies to produce sheets dense enough to bend light, even with its high frequency. Note here an oblate spheroid sheet of charge is formed which may become very dense. Anything in it will be heated electrically. Inside there are powerful electric fields, though these are no more dangerous than the 10 kV/m field under a thundercloud, and there is no internal Joule heat because electrons are held outside the ship. Charge in either hemisphere rotates opposite to that in the other hemisphere. This can be seen by considering Lorentz force. Electrons entering the static field from outside are deflected one direction. Those leaving the static field from inside are deflected in the opposite direction. This bears similarities to Coriolis force, and if so, so be it. Let this be indicative of a gravitational connection. We find this field also accelerates time, which can be seen as decreasing gravity, mass, or inertia through relativity. One way to view this is as follows. A ship near light has its time slow, and this may happen so much the universe dies in a blink of these peoples' eyes. Since time is slower one may say they see more cycles per second and frequencies are shifted up. But this does not happen. Instead, they are not quick enough to perceive as much information as we do. So according to Hartley's law their incoming frequencies and bandwidths are compressed. People outside, on the other hand, see these people moving extremely slowly so more information is available to them, and they see bandwidth and frequencies boosted. This is only a relative effect, because quantum energy is conserved, and so real information and frequency of light are constants when absolutely figured. But different temporal and excitation levels of the observer obviously change frequency perception. Excitation causes shifts opposite to gravity. For instance, if atoms are excited electrons are farther from nuclei, and under less electric force. They are more loosely bound. Now incoming quanta of the same hv energy cause greater transitions than before, and so appear to have more quantum energy or frequency. Waves from inside seem to be high in energy but low in energy or frequency to people outside. Again, like gravity, this is a conservative field, affecting only perception. However, its shift is opposite to gravity's. Since gravity's effect on frequency derived from slowing of time what effect other than accelerating of time does excitation derive from? Note here excitation does not have to cause actual transitions to higher orbital to give frequency shift effects. Given Schrodinger wave constraints such is not possible. With electric vacuum suction on electrons incoming quanta still take less energy to cause transitions. The main problem we had was finding means for excitation without relaxation, which normally releases all stored energy in ten billionths of a second. Energy required for any significant frequency shift is enormous. Setting up a weak static magnetic field allows a sort of resonance effect, where massive amounts of energy are absorbed by the field without release. Excitation and resonance are only obtainable when relaxation is eliminated as it can be in the magnetic vortex system. What uses are this? Ships can travel faster than light (FTL). Time may be accelerated by excitation four times. Then when we travel close enough to light, the ship simply regains the mass or time it originally had, but it is traveling four times faster than light when that happens. Thus any star in this or any other galaxy are within reach without time dilation and with very little energy input. Remember, NO supplemental energy is needed in vacuum due to infinite collision time. Another way to view FTL travel is the people in the ship may accelerate to 200 meters per second in their seconds. Someone outside has four seconds for one of theirs, so the ship seems to them to travel at 800 meters per second to an external observer. Faster than light communications are also possible, but not without another effect. Suppose we emit a 1 to 60 MHz (million cycles per second) signal from a field where time is accelerated one million times. This is possible because energy required decays exponentially for faster times. The signal leaves and shifts down to 1 to 60 Hz. Anyone outside sees only this 60 Hz "magnetic wave" traveling at light. The information inside is compressed in time or bandwidth. But it does penetrate water and other matter very well. Another antenna in the same one million field expands bandwidth, or is "quick" enough to get at the original information. This again shows the interconvertibility of time and bandwidth. And EEG waves from 1-60 Hz contain more information than presently thought. The reason for FTL propagation is the same as a stationary observer looking at light in a light clock on a relativistic ship. Light seems to travel faster in this ship and since Einstein took lightspeed to be constant, he saw time must slow on the ship. But this gravity field makes light travel faster relative to the temporal state of the stationary observer (ref INSIDE RELATIVITY by Mook and Vargish). In our case, the signal travels a million times faster than light because gravity outside the ship is a million times greater. Aliens do exist, but the public is taken for granted (to put it mildly). NASA's SETI is complete rubbish, cover-up at its worst. They scan at one to 10 GHz (Billion cycles per second). No alien transmission occurs above a 100 Hz and NASA knows this. They are all compressed in time, like subspace communication on Startrek. Nothing else has comparable efficiency. Light takes perhaps fifteen minutes to reach another planet, but is all but instantaneous with compression. EEG wave telepathy is another cover-up, even though brain-related signals have never been detected anywhere else on our spectrum. By mutual exchange of information links can be made through lightlines, which convey force, energy, or information even through walls. This gives complete control over reality itself, and it is hard to overstate its importance. Communication with the dead, and eternal life are easy, so too manufacturing directly from mind to product. Truth be told this planet will be socialist, but only when matter is so ridiculously easy to manipulate anyone who says "pay me" will have to mean it as a joke. Telepathy is only thought from fast time, or excitation field (as in the brain), while matter is only thought frozen in slow time, or gravity field; but since gravity and excitation are one spectrum there is no separation between mind and reality, life or death. Aliens have given clues along the way. After we conducted THE PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENT, we were mailed a book THE CASE FOR THE UFO: ANNOTATED EDITION with quotes written in the margins by philosophical aliens who said: "Anyone wishing to know how our ships are powered would have to realize electrons cross what would in their terms be millions of lightyears of space, and they leave in their wake a magnetic node, or vortex, as this one thing is variously called. Realizing this, as Einstein did, it makes it clear how matter may be made into energy, dissolute, or invisible." This book as well as George Adamski's INSIDE THE FLYING SAUCERS were required reading for us in the Air Force. Other truthful sources are found in THE FLYING SAUCER READER by Jay David who said: "You wonder how our ships operate. They operate in resonating electromagnetic fields, just as planetary bodies do." and BEYOND EARTH: MAN'S CONTACTS WITH UFOS by Ralph and Judy Blum, who said "The ship is powered by reversible electro-magnetism. Reversing magnetic and electric energies allows us to nullify gravity and control matter." The greatest source of information is Adamski's book though. Taking these sources as accurate would have been all the public would have needed to come to the conclusion excitation nullifies gravity. Look at it this way. If gravity can be electromagnetically overcome, which is our only practical way to ever hope to overcome gravity anyway, gravity has to be electromagnetic. Then it must be acting on some electric or magnetic property in matter, due to concept of dual poles. Otherwise no electro-magnetic force could be coupled. This reduces the problem to finding the one magnetic or electrical property intrinsic to all mass, because gravity acts on all mass. Diamagnetism is that universally intrinsic property, but even that is related to distance of electrons from nuclei by formula for magnetic moment M=IA, or moment equals current times loop area. This does not tell whether proximity to or distance from nuclei is antigravity, but directly suggests that correspondence exists. In summary, the public has been misled contemptuously. They have told you aliens are not visiting the Earth and do not exist. Rather than spacecraft, people are seeing the whole planet Venus fly across the sky. Then they start an "effort" to find signals from intelligent beings, which they have already detected below 100 Hz. There have been signals picked up even on the frequencies they scan for, but all signals aliens normally use are below 100 Hz and can never be picked up with conventional equipment. Finally comes the ultimate insult. The world can be better than science fiction has ever dreamt of, with devices to beam information directly into brains for virtual reality, access information from any source, which would make the Internet pale in comparison, derive energy from the sun through its lines, and literally construct anything as if by magic. Everyone on this planet who has died since 1967 did not have to, the only cure for AIDS, cancer, and particularly genetic diseases lies in these lightlines. This is what the public is being kept in the dark about. Perhaps the United States government has reasons for keeping this secret, but they are not in my opinion good ones. Ultimately it is not the Air Force's problem the public does not presently enjoy these things, if you know what I mean. To be heard one has to make some noise. In sum, we reach all stars in this galaxy easier than governors want us to know, but they know as Einstein did. And same EXCITATION accelerates time and allows FTL travel, communications, and upward frequency shifts to boot. Now surprise: aliens transmit invariably below 100 Hz despite bandwidth information constraints, because their waves are compressed in time itself, and EEG waves from 1 to 60 Hz are telepathy we have never found. Ordinary radios in "electric vacuum" fields pick it all out as broadcast, and there are means I know to raise body frequency and use telepathy / clairvoyance in two hours mentally, but all things minds can do machines do and vice versa because there is no division but our belief between realms. Something simple as orbital excitation nullifies gravity and speeds up time. Three mind-stretching proofs: (1) Since our only practical means to nullify gravity is electro-magnetic, gravity must be electromagnetic and due to concept of dual poles acts on an electrical or magnetic property of mass. The only universally intrinsic EM property of mass is diamagnetism, but even this is related to distance of electrons from nuclei (ie; excitation) by magnetic moment M=IA. This logical or Greek method. (2) Permeability and permittivity are directly proportional to distance of electrons from nuclei, thus allowing external magnetic and electric fields to more easily distort excited orbits and store energy in the atom. But according to Maxwell's Wave Equation speed of light is determined by one over square root of permeability times permittivity in ANY spatial region. So excitation must affect speed of light just as relativistic gravity speeds light. This EM refract method. (3) A ship near light has slow time, or great gravity / mass, than static one . So people inside see the universe die in the blink of an eye. How can they be quick enough to get as much information as we get? And does this not through Hartley's Bandwidth=Information Law suggest bandwidth AND frequencies have been divided by tau time-dilation? Aha! This clear and present danger ironclad proof. Now an excited atom. Its electrons are farther from nuclei, under less electric force, and incoming quanta of same E=hv quantum energy or frequency now cause greater transitions than in unexcited atoms. So person in an excited field perceive incoming waves as higher frequency, and several waves, boosted in bandwidth or information content as well. Hartley's law===> bandwith=information. So since gravity compressed bandwidth by slowing time, excitation here must be accelerating time, or converting mass into energy. Here we see excitation overcomes gravity, mass, and time in not one but THREE independent proofs with yet another coming later. But consider great potential use. There are several uses for this. A ship of hydrogen excited into n=2 orbital. Time accelerates four times using E=hv calculations. It can now go four times faster than light before regaining its original gravity or mass! Proxima Centauri is one year away. But this takes 1o eV per atom. With only 3.6 eV more we totally ionize hydrogen (i.e.; frequency shift it to infinity). Thus we are not limited by distance or time in travel as Relativity suggests, because energy needed is not linear but exponentially decays for higher speeds. Or another application based on frequency shift. We have never picked up telepathic signals, but have picked up EEG waves at 1 to 60 Hz. If these enter an excited region they shift up in frequency (or relatively perceived quantum energy), expanding bandwidth, and baring their original information content, beautiful like goat's milk. This is surprises. Thought reigns as physical as we are, but it operates from faster time; likewise, matter is only thought frozen in slow time. Thus we shall be using a mental energy before we can reach the nearest star. This paragraph alone has significant implications because (1) Machines can be built to control reality directly (2) The human mind from my experience can produce these fields (3) If brains produce energy for such great downshift energy to travel between stars must be meager indeed. All these things derive from excitation, a simple quantum mechanical occurrence, but how do we produce excitation without heat or normal 0.01 microsecond relaxation? Means to produce permanent electric vacuum is needed, for as long as the field is applied. This can be done using two-phase four coil system (precisely as in AC motor stator but higher frequency) to create a rotating magnetic field. An orthogonal static magnetic field then limits electron flux to spherical surface some distance from ship, which adds potential energy to these electrons (and contra wise the ship). There is no heating of crew because electron flux is outside ship but they are exposed to high electric fields as under thunderclouds. Earth operates in such magnetic vortex. It explains the earth's positive ground charge, its negative ionosphere layer, and Coriolis force. The last is explained because Lorentz deflection in above electric vacuum system is in opposite directions in north and south fieldsphere hemisphere, so electrons in different hemispheres revolve in opposite directions about the ship. High frequencies are needed to provide sufficient voltage and increase collision time for electrons so energy is not wasted. Again electrons are responsible for inertia, causing water to lag in different directions in different hemispheres. The electric sheet has force and inertia but the ship does not. And this is another proof for antigravity. Yet another use presents itself. The ionosphere bends radio waves depending on their angle and frequency because they travel at different speed through this highly charged region. This was alluded to in permeability and permittivity. Why not create such intense field around a ship parallel radar or light rays are bent around the ship, like water droplets in a Rainbow. This could be done if the field were intense enough and right distance from the ship. And it is invisibility, though anyone in such fields could escape faster than we perceive, because their time is faster. The science is sound (more or less). From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 26 07:55:26 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id HAA16172; Sat, 26 Oct 1996 07:55:07 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 07:55:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 09:55:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19961026095951.0f2ff87e@pop.mymail.net> X-Sender: sunbrite@pop.mymail.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: MICHAEL C SLIVINSKI Subject: Re: Car motor running on water Resent-Message-ID: <"ui3aK3.0.ay3.APYSo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/459 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Thanks, inspiring post, I wonder if one used one of those super lubricants on info comercials where it is demonstrated engines running with out any oil and water in oil pan and water being sprayed on engine. This oil apparently coats the metal surfaces and wonder if using this product would extend the cars life whether using the authors design or conventional card parts. Just a thought!! Thanks Mike S. At 11:24 PM 10/25/96 GMT, you wrote: >Here is what I found in the last issue of Nexus magazine: > >A WATER FUELLED CAR >by carl Cella > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 26 08:35:20 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id IAA22846; Sat, 26 Oct 1996 08:34:35 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 08:34:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 17:34:59 GMT Message-Id: <199610261734.RAA10053@korovev.stm.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: j.hasslberger@agora.stm.it (Josef Hasslberger) Subject: Re: Antigrav for Real? Resent-Message-ID: <"_BIrD3.0.ra5.A-YSo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/460 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Guy Ricci wrote: > >Josef, > >Thanks for digging up the info on the German rotating disk experiment. I >find this whole rotation thing affecting weight fascinating. According to >Einstein, acceleration is synonymous with gravity. A spinning disk is >accelerating radially. I suppose this would interact with the ambient >gravitational field? My grasp of physics is not up to attempting an >explanation, I fear. Don't fear, my grasp of physics may be worse than yours. It seems interesting that acceleration is equal (similar?) to gravity, and yes, of course a disc is having radial acceleration, and at high rpm's a pretty hard acceleration to boot. > >The fact that it only had an effect in one direction of rotation must be a >clue, though. We're standing on a big spinning disk (well, sphere). I >wonder if there is some interaction there. Maybe, we should try the >experiment at the North and South Poles and see if there is a difference. > I don't think you have to go to the poles. Probably it is enough to try one in the northern hemisphere and another in the southern hemisphere (south of the equator). > > >> He started out from the japanese paper but did not let his gyros fall. He >> worked with steel discs in wooden mounts (to prevent magnetic build up) and > >What do you mean by "magnetic build up"? > Don't know what he means by that. It is mentioned in the article without further explanation. Apparently the metal mounting got magnetized and cancelled the effect after a while. > >> it seems he measured weight loss of up to 104 per cent. > To me, 104 per cent of weight loss means that the gadget lost all its weight and then another four per cent. So if the disc weighed 300 grams and the mounting 200 grams, a weight loss of 104 per cent would mean a weight loss of 312 grams, so that the total of the apparatus was, instead of the original 500 grams, reduced to 188 grams. That's my understanding at least. It is not further specified in the article. - Josef Josef Hasslberger, Rampa Brancaleone 25 - 00165 Rome - ITALY when you have nothing better to do, check out my homepage for philosophical views on physics, economy and new energy at http://www.agora.stm.it/J.Hasslberger From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 26 12:06:56 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id MAA11012; Sat, 26 Oct 1996 12:06:19 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 12:06:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 21:05:46 +0200 Message-Id: <199610261905.VAA28183@bure.abc.se> X-Sender: m10190@mail.abc.se X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Conny.Ohstrom@abc.se (Conny Ohstrom) Subject: Re: Bumblebees & Science (was: How to build a free energy generator.) Resent-Message-ID: <"RmWJv1.0.yh2.f4cSo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/461 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Since then subject on USA-TESLA slipped into Free-energy I sent this to freenrg-l list instead. >>> >Aerodynamically the bumblebee shouldn't be able to fly, but the >>> >bumblebee doesn't know that so it goes on flying anyway. >>> > - Mary Kay Ash > >I have at my home a prototype for a patented propeller designed from >how the bumble-bee's wing is made! The patent number is "EP 0 295 353 B1" >(EP stands for European Patent). > >Names that is goes under: "DFB-1 PROPELLER" and "SLOTTED BLADE PROPELLER" > >This invention is so strange. The normal formulas for calculating how >a propeller should work compared to its design dosent work on this! > >Contructed to be used in a wind-mill: >* Handles windspeeds from 4 to 40 m/s >* Constant velocity! >* Low cavity. >* Low centrigual force. >* Easy to make and mend. >* Low noise level. > >It could be used as a fan to, with a 45 degree angle on the blades. >I have been told that is normally impossibile to have a working >fan with that kind of angle ... but it works! > >Just by looking how the wing of a bumble-bee is constructed and >copy it ... > >Amazing! > >A ASCII-drawing of one the propeller-blades. >H=small holes >S=A slot that ends up in a drilled hole > > ################################################################### > # H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H # >A # # > # SS # > SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS # > # SS # >B # # > # # > ########################################################### > >Make it out of stainless steel for example. Twist the two >parts "A" and "B", 45 degree for a fan, and 10 degree for a >windpropeller. Mount the two ends (A&B) on a center-plate >along with all the other blades. > >Sorry for the small amount of information. With the right kind >of encourage, I could be persuaded into making a more accurate >drawing, since I have a working prototype of a pair of >wind-propeller-wings at home. > exit --- Dont steal, the government hates competition! Conny Ohstrom; Vita liljans vag 57, 3tr; S-127 34 SKARHOLMEN; SWEDEN; phone: +46-8-978055; mailto:conny.ohstrom@abc.se http://www.abc.se/~m10190/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 26 12:46:25 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id MAA20231; Sat, 26 Oct 1996 12:45:49 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 12:45:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 12:45:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610261945.MAA22073@claim.goldrush.com> X-Sender: crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wesly crosiar Subject: clark4.asc Resent-Message-ID: <"7EG7d1.0.ux4.hfcSo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/462 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: To All:I have been thinking about building a transistorized settup to collect the collapsing magnetic field in my jack pump motor, when I stumbled on to clark4.asc in keelynet electromagnum. It says their that you can take a standard motor or generator and convert it to an overunity design by just putting a second set of brushes and or sliprings directly behind the existing set, to collect the collapsing electromagnetic field. Although I do not believe that it is possible to go overunity with this design, it does seem that one could double or tripple the efficiency of an existing motor. I am betting that one of you have already tried this or something like this. If you have, I would be very interested in what you did, how you did it, what your results were, and any other info you might have. crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM THANKS WES WESLEY CROSIAR PO BOX 268 SAN ANDREAS, CA. 95249 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 26 15:11:12 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id PAA22398; Sat, 26 Oct 1996 15:10:49 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 15:10:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 15:10:31 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: "Bruce A. Perreault" cc: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: response In-Reply-To: <3270DC8B.563B@cyberportal.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"xybwF.0.rT5.eneSo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/463 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Fri, 25 Oct 1996, Bruce A. Perreault wrote: > I have no further comments to add at this point in time. I tried to do > a good deed and I get viciously attacked for my efforts. NO MORE! > > Where is my latest post to the energy discussion group? > Are you going to censor it out? > > Bruce A. Perreault Freenrg-L is totally uncensored. The logs show that you unsubscribed yourself on friday. Freenrg-L will reject posts from non-subscribed users, and will bounce that mail back to the source with a message to this effect. To post to the group you must either be a subscriber, or you may send the mail to me with a request that I forward it to freenrg-L. ................................freenrg-L.................................... William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd Moderator: FREENRG-L VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 26 15:47:14 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id PAA01280; Sat, 26 Oct 1996 15:46:25 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 15:46:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 15:46:00 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Subject: Re: Statement In-Reply-To: <199610251707.KAA16891@dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"k8nrg3.0.qJ._IfSo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/464 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 25 Oct 1996, Dennis C. Lee wrote: > At 08:02 AM 10/25/96 -0400, you wrote: > >Today is yet another dark day in human development. > > > > I Bruce A. Perreault being of sound mind, under no physical > > threat, on this 25th day of October in the year 1996 state: > > > > 1) Radiation in any way, shape or form may be harmful to your health. > > I hereby retract any statements made by me prior to this day. > > > Don't you think that we all may be over-reacting? Maybe a bit. ;) (I mean myself included!) Bruce, did you decide on your own to send out your Statement, or was it done in response to some outside third party directly applying pressure to you in regards to internet conversations on radiation safety? If a third party is involved, it might be a good idea to aim a spotlight of publicity on them by publicizing the details. ................................freenrg-L.................................... William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd Moderator: FREENRG-L VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 26 16:39:36 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id QAA14056; Sat, 26 Oct 1996 16:38:04 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 16:38:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <327311B7.249B@netcomuk.co.uk> Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 00:39:35 -0700 From: Rob King X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-NC260 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Free Energy Part 7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"n9QQd.0.TR3.P3gSo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/465 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Date: 26th October, 1996 Time 23:00 Dear All, PART 7. I would like to say that I feel sorry for Mr Perreault, with the problems he has had with his plasma tube, I guess it doesn’t take much to upset the applecart. I am convinced this device is similar, if not the same as the Chernetskii device (Russian experimenter). Mr Chernetskii was due to move to the states to continue his research but he died (or was assinated by his own people ?) before he got there. Anyway, anything which relies on a radio-active substance is in my eyes, just a down-sized nuclear power station, not the clean, free energy we all seek. But if it can be made to work without the radio-active substances then great, because I think the Chernatskii device did. Hi Wesley, Yes, I am working on a device at the moment which uses the back EMF from a motor, to re-capture energy used in the initial pulse used to drive the rotor, it’s called the Adams Pulsed Electric Motor/Generator, but there are other devices that all seem to work on the same principle. I am convinced that because the magnetic field (in the stator or rotor) is proportional to the current flowing and not the power (volts x amps) then using a coil of super-conducting wire will make possible a super-overunity motor/generator. You can increase the efficiency of a motor by freezing the whole thing down to say about -25 centigrade. The copper wire in the windings drops its resistance by about 20%. Using enamel coated silver wire (if there ever was such a thing), would give you about another 4% drop in resistance, but you can’t get enamel silver in the first place, and PTFE coated silver wire is probably 50% thicker than the same core thickness of enameled copper. I think that most motors are designed/built to get the most torque and top speed and efficiency is not that important. So if you want to build one then I will be posting the details as I get them, circuit diagrams, parts needed and construction layouts. At the moment my kitchen worktops are covered in meters, leads, batteries, bread boards, dozens of magnets and coils of wire, what a mess! And I’ve got clear up all this mess before my girlfriend Claire comes round tomorrow. At the moment I am sorting out the optic triggers. This consists of two slotted opto switches, driven into two transistors, which drive into a D-type flip-flop to switch on-off the pulse coil, via a Power FET or Darlington power transistor (a FET is more efficient because in has a very low on resistance, about 0.03 ohms). I have tested the opto switches on a bread board and I am now putting all the components onto one of those Radio Shack General-Purpose IC PC Boards. When I have tested this and found it to work, I will put the circuit up with my next posting. I have got some high speed switching, high voltage diodes to collect the back EMF, so with a bit of luck I should have this all up and running by Sunday evening (27/10/96). I’ve been thinking about the back EMF, if you put a low value resistor across the output/load then you will end up with all the power being dissipated in the coils own internal resistance, so I think you need to strike a balance between the right and wrong amount of load. I have found a source of BT 3000 relays and if you live in the UK you can buy then for 1 GBP each, postage is 3 GBP, from: J & N Factors, Pilgrim Works, Stairbridge Lane, Bolney, Sussex, RH17 5PA, Tel (01444) 881965. The lowest resistance they have are 1000 ohms and these were designed to work on the 50volt telephone system. The windings will probably need to be scrapped because I want to get the voltage down to reasonable 12 volts and not forgetting the back EMF voltage needs to be low voltage, high current not the other way around. The FETS are BUZ11, but any Power FET with a low ON resistance and good speed and able to handle about 20-30 amps will do or even better still the new IGBT modules (these are more expensive). The diodes (Schottky Rectifier Diodes) must have a low voltage drop across them, say 0.5 volts, and be able to handle a fair voltage, say about 90 volts. I may have to experiment a bit here because the high diodes can get very expensive. eg Hyperfast RHR series 600v 30Ax2 40ns RHRG3060CC costs 8.74 GBP ! As I mentioned before, I have changed the design to use disc shaped ceramic magnets, four of these facing outwards on a circular disc form the rotor. I have found through experiment that if you make the coil very long you can get a more powerful field at the active end without having short fat coil that is less efficient and may produce a bad magnetic pattern. It makes for a very bulky motor but who cares, if it works we can address that later. You need to wind the turns on the former so the coil looks like a bit like a skittle in shape. You need to get as many turns and as close as possible to the active end. Again I will being doing more experimenting here to get this down to a fine art. I am beginning to wonder if anyone is interested in this project of mine, if not, then I will not post any more details until I get it all working, if that glorious day should come. Oh well, let me know how you are getting on. Speak to you soon, Rob King Email address: ROBK@netcomuk.co.uk Quotes: 1. Never assume, its the mother of all cock ups. 2. Mother Nature is a bitch. 3. Faults will always side with Mother Nature. 4. Just when you can see the light at the end of the tunnel, the roof caves in. 5. Just when you think nothing else can possibly go wrong, all hell breaks loose. 6. Never give up, the answer may be just around the corner. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 26 17:02:03 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id RAA19731; Sat, 26 Oct 1996 17:01:29 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 17:01:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 02:03:23 +0200 Message-Id: <199610270003.CAA24506@mail.bbtt.com> X-Sender: harti@bbtt.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: ROBK@netcomuk.co.uk From: harti@bbtt.de (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: Free Energy Part 7 Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: <"oenPN2.0.5q4.LPgSo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/466 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Date: 26th October, 1996 Time 23:00 > >Dear All, > >PART 7. > > Hi Rob, keep the infos coming ! Am very interested in your experimenting ! Try to use Newman-coils with many windings and higher voltage pulses as the input. This will give huge torque on strong permanent magnets ! Yes, I agree, that you can get more torque (mechanical power) than input power is required, when you use very strong permanent magnets and and Newman type coils ! Please let us know your results soon ! Regards, Stefan. P.S.: Do NOT forget to make a few photos or videotapes of the setup, so you can later redo it ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 26 17:57:21 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id RAA00885; Sat, 26 Oct 1996 17:56:44 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 17:56:44 -0700 (PDT) From: epitaxy@localaccess.com Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19961027010110.0070dc78@mail.localaccess.com> X-Sender: epitaxy@mail.localaccess.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 18:01:10 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Free Energy Part 7 X-Mailedby: NT SMTP/LISTSERVER v2.11 (ntmail@net-shopper.co.uk) Resent-Message-ID: <"qqM8G1.0.jD.BDhSo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/467 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: What do you mean nobody's intersted ? I am sure there are lot's of lurkers salivating in front of their screens here. I got some question and suggestion for you: You mentioned the high voltage diodes. They are not necessary if the load for back EMF is high enough keeping the voltage low. (simple V=IR drop) Did you consider using MOSFETs instead the diodes for what is known synchronous rectification. MOSFETS almost do not have any voltage drop when working as diodes. The MegaFET RFGxxxx seres MOSFETs from Harris Semiconductor (which can be had for FREE as samples if you are smart enough) offer phenomenaly low RdsON even for P-channel versions, which do not require the high side power supply for their gate drives. The IRF, RFG, RFP MOSFETS are also generaly cheaper then the commercial BUZ, NTE, SK, ECG and with the same or better parameters. The synchronous rectification doesn't suffer form any stinking (0.5v) voltage drops and is faster. Remember that the HIGHER the back EMF current (it really does NOT flow backward through the coil) the SLOWER the collapse of the magnetic field around the coil. This slowly decaying field will cause back-drag on the rotor if it does not collapse before the rotor passes the top dead center. (Oh, no ! load dependent switching points) Question: why did you choose to use transistors on the photodetector side of the optointerrupters ? From my experience these outputs will directly drive the 4013 Quad D. For extra noise immunity Shmitt gates are excellent too. I also find it highly unusual that you obtained UV optos. They are very expensive and almost non-existent since UV LEDs a a little beyond human technology right now. Could you mean IR optointerrupters ? Also are you using the D input of the D flip-flops or just the R and S inputs with the D grounded. How are you planning to adjust the switching points. Did you mount the optos on sliding rings around the rotor. Are the optos below or above the mounting base ? Are you using separate power supply for all your logic and separate PS for the drive coils. If you do not, you might have a little difficulty estimating the electrical efficiency of your setup because of the power drain caused by the LEDs in the optos and all you drive logic. Lack of separate power supplies might also introduce noise from the drive coils (high current spikes here) into your logic, causing mistriggering. ...stacked cylindrical magnets on a disk ? What about the "windage" ? Do you sandwich the magnets between 2 disks and fill up the gaps with something ? I just read what I wrote to you and it seemed a little arogant from me. I am just being technical and offer suggestion which I do not want you to take as destructive criticism. No criticism at all here, just suggestions and maybe corrections on the UV thing. P.S. I cannibalized the rotor on my Adams setup for the magnets. They were very nicely molded in an epoxy resin disk (no more :-( At 12:39 AM 10/27/96 -0700, you wrote: I am beginning to wonder if anyone is interested in this project of mine, if not, then I will not post any more details until I get it all working, if that glorious day should come. Oh well, let me know how you are getting on. Speak to you soon, Rob King Email address: ROBK@netcomuk.co.uk Quotes: 1. Never assume, its the mother of all cock ups. 2. Mother Nature is a bitch. 3. Faults will always side with Mother Nature. 4. Just when you can see the light at the end of the tunnel, the roof caves in. 5. Just when you think nothing else can possibly go wrong, all hell breaks loose. 6. Never give up, the answer may be just around the corner. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 26 18:49:12 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id SAA10133; Sat, 26 Oct 1996 18:48:40 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 18:48:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 18:48:14 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: vortex-L@eskimo.com, freenrg-L@eskimo.com, webhead-l@eskimo.com, list physics teaching , vortcor-list@eskimo.com Subject: Put Feynman on a Stamp! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"7tj3y2.0.yT2.rzhSo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/468 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear Friends of Tuva and Fans of Richard Feynman, I hope this letter finds you well. In two years, Richard Feynman will be eligible for a commemorative postage stamp to be issued in his honor. You might think it's a no brainer that Feynman should be honored with a stamp: American born and educated, an original thinker whose impact went beyond physics to influence scientists around the world and millions outside of science who have read his popular books; a patriot who served his country in the Manhattan Project and on the Challenger Commission. But no: I learned that Richard Feynman was considered last year by the Citizens Stamp Advisory Committee, and was rejected! Apparently, although enough people had written in on their own for him to be considered, there was not enough organized support for him to gain approval. NOTE: I also learned that when a person has been considered and rejected, the letters that come in for the next twelve months after the rejection have little effect because there is a one year moratorium on reconsideration. Now that the one year moratorium has passed, I want to make sure Feynman is not rejected again. Therefore, if you would like to see a Feynman postage stamp that will be seen by millions of people in the USA and by stamp collectors around the world, please follow these recommendations carefully: 1) Write a letter (with an impressive letterhead, if possible) explaining why Richard Feynman should be honored with a commemorative postage stamp. (For those writing from outside the US, it might help to mention that you, and many others like you around the world, would be interested in a Feynman stamp as a collector.) 2) Address the letter itself to the Citizens Stamp Advisory Committee, but DO NOT send it to Washington, DC. (See note above) 3) Address your envelope to: Feynman Stamp, Box 70021, Pasadena CA 91117 (USA). 4) If you would like to be kept informed about the status of this project, make sure you have envelopes on file at Friends of Tuva HQ. I hope to send a mountain of letters to Washington, DC by the end of this summer! 5) Forward this message to anyone you know who is a fan of Richard Feynman, and who might be persuaded to write a letter of support. Spread the word by contacting friends, and by sending this message to any publication whose readership might be interested in seeing a Feynman stamp. Please emphasize that letters should be sent to Box 70021, Pasadena CA 91117, so they can be gathered together and sent all at once. Thank you for reading this message. Please respond to it soon, while it's on your mind. A letter from you today will help bring Richard Feynman's smile to unsuspecting millions around the world in 1998! - Ralph Leighton (fot@lafn.org) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Petition for a Feynman Stamp Please return to: Ralph Leighton, Box 70021, Pasadena CA 91117 (fot@lafn.org) To the Citizens Stamp Advisory Committee Washington, District of Columbia Fellow Citizens! We, the undersigned, wholeheartedly support Richard Feynman to be portrayed on a United States postage stamp in a denomination that will reach millions of Americans as well as collectors around the world. Feynman is arguably the most illustrious and inspiring scientist born and educated in the USA. Our nation needs more people enthusiastic about science. Putting Richard Feynman's image on a stamp will effectively serve that end. Signature ____________________________________ Date _______ Name (printed) __________________ City & State _________________ Signature ____________________________________ Date _______ Name (printed) __________________ City & State _________________ Signature ____________________________________ Date _______ Name (printed) __________________ City & State _________________ Signature ____________________________________ Date _______ Name (printed) __________________ City & State _________________ Signature ____________________________________ Date _______ Name (printed) __________________ City & State _________________ Signature ____________________________________ Date _______ Name (printed) __________________ City & State _________________ Signature ____________________________________ Date _______ Name (printed) __________________ City & State _________________ Signature ____________________________________ Date _______ Name (printed) __________________ City & State _________________ Signature ____________________________________ Date _______ Name (printed) __________________ City & State _________________ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 26 18:56:25 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id SAA11791; Sat, 26 Oct 1996 18:55:35 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 18:55:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 18:55:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610270155.SAA28887@claim.goldrush.com> X-Sender: crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wesly crosiar Subject: Re: Free Energy Part 7 Resent-Message-ID: <"uMcuJ3.0.4u2.M4iSo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/469 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 12:39 AM 10/27/ To Robb King:Robb please continue your posts, I have been watching your posts carefully, as I am sure everyone has. Check out John Bedinni's page, he shows a simple adams motor. Also are several schemtics that are easy to miss that [may] be of use. If you haven't seen them let us know and I will send you the adress. crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM THANKS WES WESLEY CROSIAR PO BOX 268 SAN ANDREAS, CA. 95249 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 26 19:05:30 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id TAA13694; Sat, 26 Oct 1996 19:05:08 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 19:05:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 19:05:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610270205.TAA29069@claim.goldrush.com> X-Sender: crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wesly crosiar Subject: Re: Free Energy Part 7 Resent-Message-ID: <"P97T62.0.sL3.JDiSo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/470 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 12 TO ROBB KING:Just a note. If you really want those transistors to be efficient, even overunity, we have here in the US, transistors that have the pnp junctions dopped with an alpha emmiter, they are supposed to produce overunity.[NO I'M NOT JOKING], if you are interested I will see if the company that makes them will sell to the general public. crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM THANKS WES WESLEY CROSIAR PO BOX 268 SAN ANDREAS, CA. 95249 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 27 01:59:38 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id BAA20443; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 01:58:19 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 01:58:19 -0800 (PST) From: alansch@zip.com.au (Alan Schneider) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Free Energy Part 7 Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 11:29:59 GMT Message-ID: <3276471d.5041291@mail.zip.com.au> References: <199610270205.TAA29069@claim.goldrush.com> In-Reply-To: <199610270205.TAA29069@claim.goldrush.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99f/16.299 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <"RuQRN1.0.J_4.w8pSo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/471 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 26 Oct 1996 19:05:23 -0700 (PDT), wesly crosiar wrote: _>At 12 _>TO ROBB KING:Just a note. If you really want those transistors to be _>efficient, even overunity, we have here in the US, transistors that _>have the pnp junctions dopped with an alpha emmiter, they are=20 _>supposed to produce overunity.[NO I'M NOT JOKING], if you are _>interested I will see if the company that makes them will sell to _>the general public. INTERESTED? I have never before heard of such a beastie. Please post ALL information you have - device specs, circuit configurations, the works. Especially availability of the devices. PS is anyone else in the group aware of these devices? Cheers,=20 Alan =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Quantum Mechanics: The Dreams that Stuff is made of. - Michael Sinz =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 27 02:04:14 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id CAA21002; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 02:04:02 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 02:04:02 -0800 (PST) From: alansch@zip.com.au (Alan Schneider) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Free Energy Part 7 Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 11:35:41 GMT Message-ID: <327747cb.5215348@mail.zip.com.au> References: <327311B7.249B@netcomuk.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <327311B7.249B@netcomuk.co.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99f/16.299 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <"RkNV_1.0.-75.HEpSo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/472 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Sun, 27 Oct 1996 00:39:35 -0700, Rob King wrote: [snip] _> _>I am beginning to wonder if anyone is interested in this project=20 _>of mine, if not, then I will not post any more details until I get=20 _>it all working, if that glorious day should come. _> _>Oh well, let me know how you are getting on. Rob, I for one am keenly interested in how you are going=20 with the project, and I'm positive I'm not the only one. Please keep posting. _>Quotes: [snip] _>4. Just when you can see the light at the end of the tunnel,=20 _>the roof caves in. [snip] Per Murphy's law, "The light at the end of the tunnel is the headlamp of an oncoming train". Cheers all, Alan =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Quantum Mechanics: The Dreams that Stuff is made of. - Michael Sinz =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 27 04:50:51 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id EAA00677; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 04:49:52 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 04:49:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 05:49:37 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199610271249.FAA03430@inquo.net> X-Sender: katech#mail.inquo.net@SRV1 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Kent Subject: "Alpha" Transistors Resent-Message-ID: <"AsSi1.0.TA.lfrSo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/473 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 07:05 PM 10/26/96 -0700, you wrote: >At 12 >TO ROBB KING:Just a note. If you really want those transistors to be >efficient, even overunity, we have here in the US, transistors that have the >pnp junctions dopped with an alpha emmiter, they are supposed to produce >overunity.[NO I'M NOT JOKING], if you are interested I will see if the >company that makes them will sell to the general public. >crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM THANKS WES >WESLEY CROSIAR >PO BOX 268 >SAN ANDREAS, CA. 95249 this I have to see.. and where can we get some? Kent Andersen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 27 05:12:54 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id FAA02471; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 05:12:27 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 05:12:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <32735D66.34A3@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 06:02:30 -0700 From: Chuck Humphrey Reply-To: next-gen@ix.netcom.com Organization: NextGeneration Software X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Fwd: Post "More Crying" References: <199610261309.HAA20334@inquo.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pJDFx1.0.Rc.w-rSo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/474 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Kent wrote: > > > I have no further comments to add at this point in time. I tried to do > > a good deed and I get viciously attacked for my efforts. NO MORE! > > > > > > Bruce A. Perreault > > > > > >------- FORWARD, End of original message ------- > > > > > > > > > Crist, this goes on and on, and on, I am really getting tired of this feel > sorry for me.. somone is bitchin; about my invention. and the products I sell > routine... your not Being picked on!! if you feel that request for > information is > a insult, information that appearantly you failed to provide... you need your > head examined. > Enough allready!! > Warmest Regards > Kent Andersen > Here! Here! Chuck Humphrey -- Public Key for ChuckH Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 16:01:40 -0800 From: Rob King X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-NC260 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Over-unity PNP junction transistors Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5nF7s1.0.LR5.FMuSo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/475 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Wes Wrote: >TO ROB KING:Just a note. If you really want those transistors to be >efficient, even overunity, we have here in the US, transistors that have >the >pnp junctions dopped with an alpha emmiter, they are supposed to produce >overunity.[NO I'M NOT JOKING], if you are interested I will see if the >company that makes them will sell to the general public. My reply is: Yes Wes, I am interested, find out how much they cost, specifications, and where I can get them from. I mean, what could be easier to make than a solid state over-unity device, no moving parts, good reliabilty, brilliant! Cheers Rob King From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 27 07:55:18 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id HAA22398; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 07:54:29 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 07:54:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <327403CF.48D6@netcomuk.co.uk> Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 16:52:31 -0800 From: Rob King X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-NC260 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Free Energy Part 7 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------76868031CBF" Resent-Message-ID: <"pDaH73.0.sT5.qMuSo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/476 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------76868031CBF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bruce wrote: >You mentioned the high voltage diodes. They are not necessary if the >load for back EMF is high enough keeping the voltage low. (simple V=IR drop) >Did you consider using MOSFETs instead the diodes for what is known >synchronous rectification. MOSFETS almost do not have any voltage drop >when working as diodes. The MegaFET RFGxxxx seres MOSFETs from Harris >Semiconductor (which can be had for FREE as samples if you are smart >enough) >offer phenomenaly low RdsON even for P-channel versions, which do not >require the high side power supply for their gate drives. The IRF, RFG, >RFP >MOSFETS are also generaly cheaper then the commercial BUZ, NTE, SK, ECG >and with the same or better parameters. The synchronous rectification >doesn't suffer form any stinking (0.5v) voltage drops and is faster. As per usual you are right of course, this seems like a very good idea to me, I can use the inverted output from the flip-flop to drive another Power MOSFET to collect the back EMF and no losses will be incurred. >Question: why did you choose to use transistors on the photodetector >side of the optointerrupters ? From my experience these outputs will >directly drive the 4013 Quad D. For extra noise immunity Shmitt gates >are excellent too. I will try this again, I am using a 7474N chip and if you use discrete photo-transistors it works without the need for a transistor but the slotted device is not meaty enough to trigger a 1 and 0 logic state. It makes the circuit simpler if I can get away without the exMessage-ID: <327403CF.48D6@netcomuk.co.uk> Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 16:52:31 -0800 From: Rob King X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-NC260 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Free Energy Part 7 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------76868031CBF" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------76868031CBF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bruce wrote: >You mentioned the high voltage diodes. They are not necessary if the >load for back EMF is high enough keeping the voltage low. (simple V=IR drop) >Did you consider using MOSFETs instead the diodes for what is known >synchronous rectification. MOSFETS almost do not have any voltage drop >when working as diodes. The MegaFET RFGxxxx seres MOSFETs from Harris >Semiconductor (which can be had for FREE as samples if you are smart >enough) >offer phenomenaly low RdsON even for P-channel versions, which do not >require the high side power supply for their gate drives. The IRF, RFG, >RFP >MOSFETS are also generaly cheaper then the commercial BUZ, NTE, SK, ECG >and with the same or better parameters. The synchronous rectification >doesn't suffer form any stinking (0.5v) voltage drops and is faster. As per usual you are right of course, this seems like a very good idea to me, I can use the inverted output from the flip-flop to drive another Power MOSFET to collect the back EMF and no losses will be incurred. >Question: why did you choose to use transistors on the photodetector >side of the optointerrupters ? From my experience these outputs will >directly drive the 4013 Quad D. For extra noise immunity Shmitt gates >are excellent too. I will try this again, I am using a 7474N chip and if you use discrete photo-transistors it works without the need for a transistor but the slotted device is not meaty enough to trigger a 1 and 0 logic state. 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X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/477 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------13FD6FBE2A1D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bruce wrote: >You mentioned the high voltage diodes. They are not necessary if the >load for back EMF is high enough keeping the voltage low. (simple V=IR drop) >Did you consider using MOSFETs instead the diodes for what is known >synchronous rectification. MOSFETS almost do not have any voltage drop >when working as diodes. The MegaFET RFGxxxx seres MOSFETs from Harris >Semiconductor (which can be had for FREE as samples if you are smart >enough) >offer phenomenaly low RdsON even for P-channel versions, which do not >require the high side power supply for their gate drives. The IRF, RFG, >RFP >MOSFETS are also generaly cheaper then the commercial BUZ, NTE, SK, ECG >and with the same or better parameters. The synchronous rectification >doesn't suffer form any stinking (0.5v) voltage drops and is faster. As per usual you are right of course, this seems like a very good idea to me, I can use the inverted output from the flip-flop to drive another Power MOSFET to collect the back EMF and no losses will be incurred. >Question: why did you choose to use transistors on the photodetector >side of the optointerrupters ? From my experience these outputs will >directly drive the 4013 Quad D. For extra noise immunity Shmitt gates >are excellent too. I will try this again, I am using a 7474N chip and if you use discrete photo-transistors it works without the need for a transistor but the slotted device is not meaty enough to trigger a 1 and 0 logic state. It makes the circuit simpler if I can get away without the extra transistMessage-ID: <32740687.6318@netcomuk.co.uk> Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 17:04:07 -0800 From: Rob King X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-NC260 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Free Energy Part 7 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------13FD6FBE2A1D" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------13FD6FBE2A1D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bruce wrote: >You mentioned the high voltage diodes. They are not necessary if the >load for back EMF is high enough keeping the voltage low. (simple V=IR drop) >Did you consider using MOSFETs instead the diodes for what is known >synchronous rectification. MOSFETS almost do not have any voltage drop >when working as diodes. The MegaFET RFGxxxx seres MOSFETs from Harris >Semiconductor (which can be had for FREE as samples if you are smart >enough) >offer phenomenaly low RdsON even for P-channel versions, which do not >require the high side power supply for their gate drives. The IRF, RFG, >RFP >MOSFETS are also generaly cheaper then the commercial BUZ, NTE, SK, ECG >and with the same or better parameters. The synchronous rectification >doesn't suffer form any stinking (0.5v) voltage drops and is faster. As per usual you are right of course, this seems like a very good idea to me, I can use the inverted output from the flip-flop to drive another Power MOSFET to collect the back EMF and no losses will be incurred. >Question: why did you choose to use transistors on the photodetector >side of the optointerrupters ? From my experience these outputs will >directly drive the 4013 Quad D. For extra noise immunity Shmitt gates >are excellent too. I will try this again, I am using a 7474N chip and if you use discrete photo-transistors it works without the need for a transistor but the slotted device is not meaty enough to trigger a 1 and 0 logic state. 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Check out John Bedinni's page, > he shows a simple adams motor. Also are several schemtics that are easy to > miss that [may] be of use. If you haven't seen them let us know and I will > send you the adress. Yes can you get me address for this it may be of some help. Cheers Rob King From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 27 08:06:46 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id IAA26052 for bilb@eskimo.com; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 08:06:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 08:06:45 -0800 (PST) X-Envelope-From: ROBK@netcomuk.co.uk Sun Oct 27 08:06:43 1996 Received: from lancelot.netcom.net.uk (root@lancelot.netcom.net.uk [194.42.225.5]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA25938 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 08:06:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from dialup-03-35.netcomuk.co.uk (robk@dialup-03-35.netcomuk.co.uk [194.42.228.227]) by lancelot.netcom.net.uk (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA00633 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 16:05:17 GMT Message-ID: <327403CF.48D6@netcomuk.co.uk> Old-Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 16:52:31 -0800 From: Rob King X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-NC260 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Free Energy Part 7 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------76868031CBF" X-Diagnostic: Submission size exceeds 40000 bytes X-Envelope-To: freenrg-l Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------76868031CBF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bruce wrote: >You mentioned the high voltage diodes. They are not necessary if the >load for back EMF is high enough keeping the voltage low. (simple V=IR drop) >Did you consider using MOSFETs instead the diodes for what is known >synchronous rectification. MOSFETS almost do not have any voltage drop >when working as diodes. The MegaFET RFGxxxx seres MOSFETs from Harris >Semiconductor (which can be had for FREE as samples if you are smart >enough) >offer phenomenaly low RdsON even for P-channel versions, which do not >require the high side power supply for their gate drives. The IRF, RFG, >RFP >MOSFETS are also generaly cheaper then the commercial BUZ, NTE, SK, ECG >and with the same or better parameters. The synchronous rectification >doesn't suffer form any stinking (0.5v) voltage drops and is faster. As per usual you are right of course, this seems like a very good idea to me, I can use the inverted output from the flip-flop to drive another Power MOSFET to collect the back EMF and no losses will be incurred. >Question: why did you choose to use transistors on the photodetector >side of the optointerrupters ? From my experience these outputs will >directly drive the 4013 Quad D. For extra noise immunity Shmitt gates >are excellent too. I will try this again, I am using a 7474N chip and if you use discrete photo-transistors it works without the need for a transistor but the slotted device is not meaty enough to trigger a 1 and 0 logic state. It makes the circuit simpler if I can get away without the exMessage-ID: <327403CF.48D6@netcomuk.co.uk> Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 16:52:31 -0800 From: Rob King X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-NC260 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Free Energy Part 7 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------76868031CBF" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------76868031CBF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bruce wrote: >You mentioned the high voltage diodes. They are not necessary if the >load for back EMF is high enough keeping the voltage low. (simple V=IR drop) >Did you consider using MOSFETs instead the diodes for what is known >synchronous rectification. MOSFETS almost do not have any voltage drop >when working as diodes. The MegaFET RFGxxxx seres MOSFETs from Harris >Semiconductor (which can be had for FREE as samples if you are smart >enough) >offer phenomenaly low RdsON even for P-channel versions, which do not >require the high side power supply for their gate drives. The IRF, RFG, >RFP >MOSFETS are also generaly cheaper then the commercial BUZ, NTE, SK, ECG >and with the same or better parameters. The synchronous rectification >doesn't suffer form any stinking (0.5v) voltage drops and is faster. As per usual you are right of course, this seems like a very good idea to me, I can use the inverted output from the flip-flop to drive another Power MOSFET to collect the back EMF and no losses will be incurred. >Question: why did you choose to use transistors on the photodetector >side of the optointerrupters ? From my experience these outputs will >directly drive the 4013 Quad D. For extra noise immunity Shmitt gates >are excellent too. I will try this again, I am using a 7474N chip and if you use discrete photo-transistors it works without the need for a transistor but the slotted device is not meaty enough to trigger a 1 and 0 logic state. 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//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// //////////8= --------------76868031CBF-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 27 09:27:35 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id JAA08884; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 09:27:14 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 09:27:14 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 09:27:28 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199610271727.JAA09638@claim.goldrush.com> X-Sender: crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wesly crosiar Subject: Re: "Alpha" Transistors Resent-Message-ID: <"EtXvY.0.iA2.mjvSo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/479 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 05:49 AM 10/27/96 -0700, you wrote: >At 07:05 PM 10/26/96 -0700, you wrote: >>At 12 >>TO ROBB KING:Just a note. If you really want those transistors to be >>efficient, even overunity, we have here in the US, transistors that have the >>pnp junctions dopped with an alpha emmiter, they are supposed to produce >>overunity.[NO I'M NOT JOKING], if you are interested I will see if the >>company that makes them will sell to the general public. To those who are interested:Information on radioactive dopped transistors, [may] be had from TRW- ROCKEDYNE CORP. They should be able to tell you who makes them or even supply you with them. The person I originally talked to couldn't remember the manufacturer of them but said TRW should be able to steer you in the right direction. Also try AMERSHAM, they supply most of the radioactive material in the US. crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM THANKS WES WESLEY CROSIAR PO BOX 268 SAN ANDREAS, CA. 95249 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 27 09:47:23 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id JAA12585; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 09:46:55 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 09:46:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 09:47:09 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199610271747.JAA10162@claim.goldrush.com> X-Sender: crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wesly crosiar Subject: Re: Free Energy Part 7 Resent-Message-ID: <"0cmrZ1.0.X43.E0wSo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/480 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 05:06 PM 10/27/96 -0800, you wrote: >wesly crosiar wrote: >> >> At 12:39 AM 10/27/ >> To Robb King:Robb please continue your posts, I have been watching your >> posts carefully, as I am sure everyone has. Check out John Bedinni's page, >> he shows a simple adams motor. Also are several schemtics that are easy to >> miss that [may] be of use. If you haven't seen them let us know and I will >> send you the adress. > > >Yes can you get me address for this it may be of some help. Rob King:The adress is http://rand.nidlink.com/~john1/index.html If this dosn't get you there go to www.keelynet.com Then scroll down to the bottom of the page, double click on [links], At the top of the links page double click on john bedinni,s page. At the bottom of johns page is his email adress, if he knows you are serious about building this motor, he will probably give you technical assistance. I will try to find out about those transistors in the next week or so. The only problem you may have with Johns motors is that they are so simple, but apparently they work! crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM THANKS WES WESLEY CROSIAR PO BOX 268 SAN ANDREAS, CA. 95249 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 27 12:49:20 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id MAA20392; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 12:47:31 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 12:47:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 27 Oct 96 13:48:43 MST From: "Mary C." Subject: Re: Free Energy Part 7 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailer: VersaTerm Link v1.1 Resent-Message-ID: <"CRrow3.0.V-4.YfySo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/481 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I, too, would like more info on these!! Mary C. maryc@inc-g.com >On Sat, 26 Oct 1996 19:05:23 -0700 (PDT), wesly crosiar > wrote: > >_>At 12 >_>TO ROBB KING:Just a note. If you really want those transistors to be >_>efficient, even overunity, we have here in the US, transistors that >_>have the pnp junctions dopped with an alpha emmiter, they are=20 >_>supposed to produce overunity.[NO I'M NOT JOKING], if you are >_>interested I will see if the company that makes them will sell to >_>the general public. > >INTERESTED? >I have never before heard of such a beastie. >Please post ALL information you have - device specs, circuit >configurations, the works. >Especially availability of the devices. > >PS is anyone else in the group aware of these devices? > >Cheers,=20 >Alan > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= >=3D=3D=3D=3D >Quantum Mechanics: The Dreams that Stuff is made of. > - Michael Sinz >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= >=3D=3D=3D=3D > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 27 15:49:46 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id PAA02948; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 15:48:59 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 15:48:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 00:47:33 +0100 Message-Id: <199610272347.AAA10135@atom.bbtt.com> X-Sender: harti@bbtt.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@bbtt.de (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: Car motor running on water Cc: j.hasslberger@agora.stm.it Resent-Message-ID: <"6HEGK2.0.uj.fJ_So"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/482 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Here is what I found in the last issue of Nexus magazine: > >A WATER FUELLED CAR >by carl Cella > >I am the madman behind the US heavy-metal band, "Rampage", but long before >my musical success I was mechanically inclined, and the possibility of >running a car on fuel extracted from water intrigued me no end. > > rest deleted... >Originally published in Iron Feather Journal No. 13, PO Box 1905, Boulder, >CO 80306, USA, and in >Psychedelic Illuminations VIII, Fall/Winter 1995/96, PO Box 3186, >Fullerton, CA 92634, USA) > > >Note of poster: The article goes on with two pages of designs and parts >lists, but unfortunately I have no possibility to scan these in and put >them on the net. Maybe someone knows if this has been put on a web page >somewhere? > >In any case, anyone who's really interested should be able to get one of >the two publications cited above, or buy the current issue of NEXUS >magazine. If you can't find it on a newsstand, here is their address: >PO Box 177, Kempton, IL 60946-0177 USA tel. 815 253 6464 and fax 815 253 6300 > are the scans already availabe ? Are there any pictures of this car motor ? Any videotapes ??? Please let me know. Regards, Stefan. >Regards - Josef > >Josef Hasslberger, Rampa Brancaleone 25 - 00165 Rome - ITALY > >when you have nothing better to do, check out my homepage for philosophical >views on physics, economy and new energy at >http://www.agora.stm.it/J.Hasslberger > > > > -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany NEUE Nummern : Tel: ++ 4930-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 4930-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.de harti@bbtt.de Web site: http://www.harti.de Webmaster of: http://www.detours.de Have a look at the future: http://www.overunity.de My favourite ladies on the WEB: http://www.nylon-fetish.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 27 18:50:38 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id SAA07839; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 18:50:07 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 18:50:07 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199610280257.SAA03534@magick.net> X-Sender: flockoi@magick.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 18:51:53 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: rolf Subject: Re: Car motor running on water Resent-Message-ID: <"_l2D1.0.Mw1.Uz1To"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/483 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: To: Josef Hasslberger--very nice and informative web site!! >At 11:24 PM 10/25/96 GMT, you wrote: >Here is what I found in the last issue of Nexus magazine: > >snip Thanks so much for your posting as I am anxious to pursue this further. I checked with the local magazine stores and am going to have to send away for a copy of Nexus. Has anyone else besides the author installed or made such a unit? I live in an area where the temperature drops below freezing in the winter and am curious what is done, as this will determine my enthusiasm. Heat? Alcohol solution? Any comments etc., would be appreciated. Thanks, Rolf Flockoi flockoi@magick.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 30 07:50:41 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id HAA27477; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 07:50:00 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 07:50:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 07:49:53 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Radioactive transistors! (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"f5qjq1.0.Dj6.catTo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/515 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 12:52:56 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" To: billb@eskimo.com Subject: Radioactive transistors! Bill, Please post this letter that I sent to Wes earlier today. Wes, I can not believe that people are so willing to except radioactive transistors but not my radiant energy tubes. You can get radioactive transistors to power a small radio. As for getting any realistic power, no way. My radiant energy tubes are a scaled up version of these transistors. The powers that be will not allow you to use this concept for power generation! If you do you will be put in a federal jail! I suggest for your own safety that you put a halt to any projects that use radiation. Sincerely, Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 30 08:09:23 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id IAA00762; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 08:03:49 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 08:03:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 08:03:39 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199610301603.IAA08446@claim.goldrush.com> X-Sender: crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wesly crosiar Subject: Re: solenoids Resent-Message-ID: <"a8jNr3.0.mB.antTo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/516 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 03:26 AM 10/30/96 -0700, you wrote: >what is this wes? a rail gun? > No: It's just a HV solenoid. crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM THANKS WES WESLEY CROSIAR PO BOX 268 SAN ANDREAS, CA. 95249 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 30 08:17:03 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id IAA03955; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 08:16:41 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 08:16:41 -0800 (PST) From: epitaxy@localaccess.com Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19961030162101.00726de4@mail.localaccess.com> X-Sender: epitaxy@mail.localaccess.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 08:21:01 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Radioactive transistors! (fwd) X-Mailedby: NT SMTP/LISTSERVER v2.11 (ntmail@net-shopper.co.uk) Resent-Message-ID: <"eg31b.0.hz.eztTo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/517 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: A Did you receive my 8 page fax with papers on homopolar experiments ? Please reply how many pages you received ? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 30 11:38:15 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id LAA15484; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 11:35:44 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 11:35:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <32782CCD.C23@netcomuk.co.uk> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 20:36:29 -0800 From: Rob King X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-NC260 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Meyer in fraud case! References: <961030134620_100433.1541_BHG128-1@CompuServe.COM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0LKnR1.0.on3.FuwTo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/518 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Chris Tinsley wrote: > > Norman, > > Well, as I've been following this blow-by-blow over the last day or two > I can only say that I am impressed by your efforts. I have been > (without much success) trying to warn off those attempting replication > and also various TV companies from covering Meyer. Recently (despite > our squeals of protest) Channel 4 Equinox gave the man a platform. > Worse, he sounded good! > > One particularly entertaining aspect of this was the story of Fayette > County's very helpful court officer getting Jed Rothwell's call (at > your request) and simultaneously one from the symposium organisers > whom you had tipped off. > > Excellent work, Norman. And this has resonance with the Rothwell NHE > letter, which has been getting praise and helpful suggestions from > some the best people in the CF field around the world. > > The lesson has to be that those of us who feel that the various new > science/technology efforts discussed here are worthwhile should make > every effort to fight against error, incompetence and fraud in the > field. It is all too easy and tempting to argue the case with various > opponents, when in fact it is far more productive to set our own house > in order. And it is a very great deal more "effort-effective", too! > > We all know that there is a grey area, where people may have quite > legitimate problems even in reproducing their own results. That leaves > an element of doubt, but when people like NHE do not follow known > experimental requirements, or (vastly worse of course) there are > out-and-out fraudsters like Meyer around, then something needs to be > done. It seems it took a judge (who is now one of my heroes, I would > add) to finger Meyer. But Meyer was an unusually slippery customer, > and all of us knew that he would never provide any instrumented demos. > We never knew for certain that he was a fraud, but it had been clear > for years that it was a Big Mistake to have any dealings with him - and > we advised people of that. > > Chris Got this from the Vortex list on Eskimo.com So if your playing with the water fuel cell, then think again, it may all be for nothing, I tried it and got nowhere, and it looks like the main mans spree of ripping people off for large sums of money is about to come to an end. Ah well, at least it narrows the field of free energy devices to play with somewhat, anyone want to have a go with the high millage carb by Charles N Pogue ? All I want now is for someone to say that Robert Adams has been found guilty of fraud and thats it, I give up! Back to playing with my solar panels and windmills me thinks. Regards Rob King From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 30 11:38:27 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id LAA15858; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 11:37:10 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 11:37:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <32782D64.701B@netcomuk.co.uk> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 20:39:00 -0800 From: Rob King X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-NC260 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Meyer in fraud Case! References: <961030085948_100060.173_JHB35-1@CompuServe.COM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gLOSX3.0.gt3.bvwTo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/519 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Norman Horwood wrote: > > The following is a re-posting of a message I sent previously which seems to have > got lost in the system. The symposium has been stopped and Meyer will be > subjected to intense questioning by a top barrister today in London. > > snip:> > Date: 29-Oct-96 15:47:26 MsgID: OUTBOX > MgTo: Vortex Mail >internet:vortex-l@mail.eskimo.com > Subj: Meyer > > Vortexians, > > [If any of you are within shouting distance of Fayette County, Ohio, can you > please contact the Court of Common Plea there and confirm the outcome of case > No: 930292 CVH determined on 10 Sept. this year. His Honor WJ Corzine presiding. > The Notary Public, TL Speirs.] Note: since sending this I have now a faxed copy > of the judgement from the court. > > The defendant was Stanley Meyer and the plaintiff one of his victims. > > The court found that Meyer was guilty of contravening section 191, namely "Fraud > and Deceit" and was required to repay $25,000 to the plaintiff and to meet their > costs of $12,500. > > The clincher was that the court forced him to run one of his "fuel cells" in > court in the presence of independent experts who actually MEASURED the input > energy and compared that with the output of electrolysed gases. The result was > that the output was what could be expected from normal electrolysis and no more > or less. > > This could be the start of an avalanche of court claims which should finish > Meyer's game for good, and I know of one victim, not far from here who is > currently taking counsel's advice to recover some $450,000 from him for the > useless expense he put them to in '93/94. > > This information has come to me just in time to advise a British charity who are > in the act of inviting Meyer to head up a symposium in the House of Lords in > London this week to promote his water fuel cell and the dune buggy. The > symposium was organized by a great old man, the late Admiral Sir Anthony > Griffin, who died last week, and who was taken, hook - line & sinker by Meyer, > and who spent a fortune promoting those dud products for him, all in the name of > environmental protection. > > Comments? Norman <:snip This was the first message. Regards Rob King From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 30 18:12:42 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id RAA21952; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 17:46:16 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 17:46:16 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 30 Oct 96 17:44 PST X-Sender: kap808@mail.europa.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Stephen Kaplan Subject: Re: Meyer in fraud case! Resent-Message-ID: <"69TEz1.0.rM5.bJ0Uo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/521 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Can anyone tell me how I can more information about this whole situation? How has Meyer been found to be fraudulent? What is the Rothwell NHE Letter that is referred to below? Thanks for any and all information on the Meyer and related cases. Steve Kaplan At 08:36 PM 10/30/96 -0800, you wrote: >Chris Tinsley wrote: >> >> Norman, >> >> Well, as I've been following this blow-by-blow over the last day or two >> I can only say that I am impressed by your efforts. I have been >> (without much success) trying to warn off those attempting replication >> and also various TV companies from covering Meyer. Recently (despite >> our squeals of protest) Channel 4 Equinox gave the man a platform. >> Worse, he sounded good! >> >> One particularly entertaining aspect of this was the story of Fayette >> County's very helpful court officer getting Jed Rothwell's call (at >> your request) and simultaneously one from the symposium organisers >> whom you had tipped off. >> >> Excellent work, Norman. And this has resonance with the Rothwell NHE >> letter, which has been getting praise and helpful suggestions from >> some the best people in the CF field around the world. >> >> The lesson has to be that those of us who feel that the various new >> science/technology efforts discussed here are worthwhile should make >> every effort to fight against error, incompetence and fraud in the >> field. It is all too easy and tempting to argue the case with various >> opponents, when in fact it is far more productive to set our own house >> in order. And it is a very great deal more "effort-effective", too! >> >> We all know that there is a grey area, where people may have quite >> legitimate problems even in reproducing their own results. That leaves >> an element of doubt, but when people like NHE do not follow known >> experimental requirements, or (vastly worse of course) there are >> out-and-out fraudsters like Meyer around, then something needs to be >> done. It seems it took a judge (who is now one of my heroes, I would >> add) to finger Meyer. But Meyer was an unusually slippery customer, >> and all of us knew that he would never provide any instrumented demos. >> We never knew for certain that he was a fraud, but it had been clear >> for years that it was a Big Mistake to have any dealings with him - and >> we advised people of that. >> >> Chris > >Got this from the Vortex list on Eskimo.com > > >So if your playing with the water fuel cell, then think again, it may all >be for nothing, I tried it and got nowhere, and it looks like the main >mans spree of ripping people off for large sums of money is about to come >to an end. > >Ah well, at least it narrows the field of free energy devices to play >with somewhat, anyone want to have a go with the high millage carb by >Charles N Pogue ? > >All I want now is for someone to say that Robert Adams has been found >guilty of fraud and thats it, I give up! > >Back to playing with my solar panels and windmills me thinks. > > >Regards > >Rob King > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 31 00:17:45 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id AAA22972; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 00:16:17 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 00:16:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <327860DB.618@plix.com> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 00:18:35 -0800 From: redorman@plix.com (Dorman, Robert ) Reply-To: redorman@plix.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Low Inertia Armature Generator (LIAG) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------26FE5B4F5456" Resent-Message-ID: <"D4VUu2.0.mc5.F16Uo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/522 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------26FE5B4F5456 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am new to the list (I think? I've been on and off so many I lose track). The attached file I hope will be of interest and provoke some experimenting. --Bob --------------26FE5B4F5456 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="Liag.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Liag.txt" Low Inertia Armature Generator (LIAG) for Greater Power Efficiency by Robert E. Dorman March 22, 1996 Reformated for E-Mail 7/15/96 **************************************************************** C O P Y R I G H T N O T I C E Copyright 1996 This paper, in printed or electronic form, is copyrighted and may not be reproduced for sale, in whole or part, without the author's written permission. However, it may be freely copied and distributed in its entirety, without alteration, with full credit given for its authorship. **************************************************************** The generator design described I have placed in the public domain so that its usefulness might be proven as quickly as possible. Anyone is free to experiment with or market this device without any exclusive rights or license. **************************************************************** ABSTRACT A Low Inertia Armature Generator (LIAG) is introduced. This is an electric power generator with stationary coils and magnets, but with a rotating perforated magnetic shield between them, which should eliminate magnetic counterforce when under load. This allows for a light-weight armature and the possibility of greater than 100% efficiency, as Lenz's Law does not apply when there is no relative movement of the coil with respect to the magnetic field. 1.0 CONVENTIONAL GENERATOR THEORY 1.1 Configuration Conventional generators use either a stationary magnetic field (either permanent magnets or electromagnets) and a rotating coil armature), or they use a stationary coil (stator) and a rotating magnetic field. For simplicity sake, we will assume permanent magnets provide a fixed magnetic field for both the conventional generator and the LIAG. Coils of wire, wound upon laminated soft iron cores, make up the armature in the conventional generator. The mechanical input to the conventional generator is a rotary movement coupled to the armature shaft and the electrical output is taken from the armature coil through brushes. 1.2 Induction Theory Conventional electrical theory has it that electricity is produced, or more correctly, induced, in a coil of wire moving through a magnetic field (or, if you will, a magnetic field moving through a coil of wire). This is a simplification, or special case of the more general phenomena governed by Faraday's law of electromagnetic induction, which describes the electrical effect of a changing magnetic field. The induction of electric current in the moving coil (connected to an appropriate electrical load, of course) is not so much an effect of the relative movement of the coil with respect to the magnet as it is of the CHANGE in the magnetic field that is seen by the coil. Since the function of an electric generator is to change mechanical power into electrical power, the movement of the coil in the magnetic field (or vice-versa), as the mechanical input, is a logical choice--but not the ONLY one possible. 2.0 CONVENTIONAL GENERATOR PROBLEMS 2.1 Weight A problem with conventional generators, especially large ones, is the heavy weight of the armatures. This contributes to frictional losses in the bearings, maintenance costs, requires a high starting torque, and can require complex and costly support structures. 2.2 Magnetic counterforce A more important loss, perhaps, occurs as a result of the phenomena described by Lenz's law: The induced current will appear in such a direction that it opposes the change that produced it. That mechanical agent which turns the armature coil (which is wired to an electrical load so that the circuit is completed and current will flow) in the magnetic field, will encounter an opposing force, requiring mechanical force to be used to overcome it to turn the coil. To put it briefly, to get electricity out we have to put mechanical work in. 3.0 LIAG DESIGN 3.1 Mechanical configuration A LIAG has a rotating perforated magnetic shield that spins between a stationary magnetic field (for our purposes, and for greatest efficiency, made up of permanent rare earth supermagnets) and stationary coils (wound upon laminated soft iron cores). This shield alternately passes and blocks the magnetic field and thereby induces an electric current in the coils. 3.2 Theory of operation The moving component, the magnetic shield, has negligible current flow through it, so there is no force opposing its motion due to electromagnetic induction, as there is with the conventional generator with its moving coils. Lenz's law does not apply because there is no moving coil or magnet to act upon. Because the shield is made from metals that have some magnetic properties, there should be a modest amount of magnetic drag as the metallic portions of the shield pass by the magnets. It should be emphasized that this opposing force, like the even lesser frictional force, is independent of the electrical load. Therefore, as the load is increased, the mechanical power rotating the armature does not have to increase accordingly. One can conclude, then, that with a modest mechanical power input sufficient to maintain an appropriate rotational velocity against the opposing forces of friction and magnetic drag, a power output could be produced that would only be limited by the strength of the magnetic field and the current carrying capacity of the wire coils. 3.3 Magnetic shield The main component of the shield is one or more layers of mu- metal [this may be a trade name, but is mentioned here in the context of a family of alloys commercially used for magnetic shielding]. This is a thin, light weight metal alloy that greatly attenuates the magnetic field strength. Although it provides a high degree of magnetic attenuation, it saturates in strong magnetic fields. Soft iron, on the other hand, does not attenuate very well (for the same thickness), but does not saturate as easily in strong magnetic fields. The shield, therefore, should be a laminate of materials, starting with the metal having the least tendency to saturate being next to the magnets and progressing to the metal having the greatest mag- netic attenuation, but poorest saturation characteristic, closer to the coils. The goal is to produce a shield with a maximum of magnetic attenuation, a minimum of saturation, a minimum of magnetic attraction (to cut down on the magnetic drag), and a minimum of thickness (so that a maximum magnetic field strength can reach the coils through the holes in the shield.) The shield, in the course of its rotation, will act as a shutter to rapidly switch on and off the magnetic field reaching the coils, thus inducing current flow. 4.0 CONCLUSION It is hoped that an excitement about the prospects for this power generation method has been kindled. The basic theory and advantages have been given. Detailed design considerations, drawings, experimental procedures, material resources, annotated bibliography of reference sources, and many possible mechanical and electrical configuration diagrams for AC and DC power generation using the LIAG method will be found in my yet to be published book: THE LIAG DESIGN MANUAL, VOL.I-THEORY AND NOTES. AUTHOR'S BACKGROUND I was graduated in 1970 from the State University of New York at Stony Brook with a Bachelor of Engineering degree in engineering science. I have had over twenty years of experience, both as an employee and as an independent contractor, working as an electronics engineer, systems engineer and technical writer. This included work in such fields as reliability engineering, software and hardware development for embedded processor systems, proposal writing, electronic warfare, military communications, satellite systems, weather instrumentation, and ultrasonic dispersive delay line and subsystem design. I have presented technical papers and conducted training seminars. I am presently doing independent research in northeast Washington, working toward a second degree in accounting, doing volunteer work, and am on the board of directors for the North Country People's Cooperative. --------------26FE5B4F5456-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 31 02:45:30 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id CAA01164; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 02:34:05 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 02:34:05 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199610311032.CAA01053@mail.eskimo.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "some dodgy student...." <"some dodgy student..."@hw.ac.uk> To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 10:21:29 +0000 Subject: Re: solenoids Reply-to: N.K.Tolley@hw.ac.uk Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Resent-Message-ID: <"5OvmB3.0.4I.S28Uo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/523 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > >To All: I need to know any information anyone might have about HV solenoids. > >My questions are. > >1. How long can you effectively make them[in inches]? > >2. What guage wire is best for high voltage applications? > >3. Should there be a metallic slug at the bottom ot the solenoid to create a > >repulsion or atraction effect? > >4. If you have an eighteen to twenty four inch stroke, would it be more > >effective to have a serries of solenoids? > >5. Ideal layers of windings per inch? > >6. Ideal resistance and inductance? > >7. Any other information, such as how much pull to expect from a given > >configuration, effectivness of tuning, ETC. > >crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM THANKS WES > >WESLEY CROSIAR > >PO BOX 268 > >SAN ANDREAS, CA. 95249 > > > > Wes, i am trying to make a railgun. Sounds like you are trying for a coilgun, if it is a 2' long solenoid, at HV! The "slug" as you called it will leave at pretty high speed. Try looking in the IEEE transactions on Magnetics. It is a bit of a slog, but everything you could want to know about coilguns/solenoids is in there, along with railguns. Also, on an unrelated matter.. I am trying to build a tesla coil, but its output is gonna be way too low (2000Vac @50 hz) so i want to use it to build a jacobs ladder. The question is, how do i stop the coil from melting from the current, once the arcing has started? i know the resistance will drop right down, and this coil is only going to take about 0.1 A, so how do i stop an open circuit? Answer needed for saturday, as i want to have one for my bonfire party! Thanks, Nigel Tolley ***** All ideas, opinions and other stuff are mine... IRC: Soapy on #international Efnet Email: Phynkt@hw.ac.uk "guns dont kill ppl, ppl kill ppl" ***** From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 31 04:26:31 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id EAA10574; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 04:21:40 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 04:21:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 13:13:55 +0100 Message-Id: <199610311213.NAA04475@atom.bbtt.com> X-Sender: harti@bbtt.de (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@bbtt.de (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: Meyer in fraud case! Resent-Message-ID: <"waYPL.0.1b2.Jd9Uo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/524 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Can anyone tell me how I can more information about this whole situation? >How has Meyer been found to be fraudulent? What is the Rothwell NHE Letter >that is referred to below? Thanks for any and all information on the Meyer >and related cases. Steve Kaplan > Well yes, please report as much as is possible about this case, cause I have the 2 Meyer MPEG movies online at my site: www.overunity.de/movies/ (don=B4t forget the slash at the end) and it looked pretty convincing that he really has something worth ! Also he is working on his buggy car in the video and he shows off the generation of H2 in the demo setup...Well, yes, there are no meters to prove anything , but the generation of gas was pretty amazing... Please let us know more about this case.... Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany NEUE Nummern : Tel: ++ 4930-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 4930-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.de harti@bbtt.de Web site: http://www.harti.de Webmaster of: http://www.detours.de Have a look at the future: http://www.overunity.de My favourite ladies on the WEB: http://www.nylon-fetish.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 31 04:27:32 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id EAA10854; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 04:23:42 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 04:23:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 13:11:17 +0100 Message-Id: <199610311211.NAA04457@atom.bbtt.com> X-Sender: harti@bbtt.de (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: redorman@plix.com From: harti@bbtt.de (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: Low Inertia Armature Generator (LIAG) Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-Message-ID: <"ZroWI2.0.Uf2.Df9Uo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/525 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > Low Inertia Armature Generator > > (LIAG) > > for > > Greater Power Efficiency > > by > > Robert E. Dorman > > March 22, 1996 > > Reformated for E-Mail 7/15/96 > > Rest deleted... Well, sounds a lot like the Eckilin flux alternator, which a friend of mine has done a theoretical calculation on and which he is pretty sure now gives about 25x more energy out than in. He will soon publish his theoretical calculation results and then we will start working on a device implementation. BTW, does anyone know, Mr. Paul Brown and the company Moss Productions ? This guy already did a good implementation of the Ecklin device in 1982 ?? and published a good test report about it and he also got about 300 % efficiency with his design. Does anybody have his address or knows how to contact him ? Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany NEUE Nummern : Tel: ++ 4930-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 4930-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.de harti@bbtt.de Web site: http://www.harti.de Webmaster of: http://www.detours.de Have a look at the future: http://www.overunity.de My favourite ladies on the WEB: http://www.nylon-fetish.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 31 07:27:04 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id HAA12322; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 07:25:47 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 07:25:47 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 06:26:30 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: hheffner@anc.ak.net (Horace Heffner) Subject: Re: Fax pages Resent-Message-ID: <"GVnVN1.0.O03.wJCUo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/526 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Did you receive my 8 page fax with papers on homopolar experiments ? > >Please reply how many pages you received ? Hello Bruce, I received 5 pages of Muller and 3 pages of A. K. Das Gupta. Thanks much! BTW, for your personal protection, you should be aware that it is a federal crime to transmit a fax without sender's accurate phone number with area code, and sender's name. I just found out about that recently myself. Many faxes now have "security systems" that reject faxes without valid area codes etc. Regards, PO Box 325 Palmer, AK 99645 Horace Heffner 907-746-0820 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 31 07:38:43 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id HAA15509; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 07:37:19 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 07:37:19 -0800 (PST) X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199610311536.HAA31280@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 07:36:40 +0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: Meyer in fraud case! Resent-Message-ID: <"wsHQm3.0.Do3.jUCUo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/527 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 05:44 PM 10/30/96 PST, you wrote: >Can anyone tell me how I can more information about this whole situation? >How has Meyer been found to be fraudulent? What is the Rothwell NHE Letter >that is referred to below? Thanks for any and all information on the Meyer >and related cases. Steve Kaplan > DO check the vortex digest. There have been quite a few posts about Meyer. ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 31 13:12:48 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id MAA24147; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 12:53:31 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 12:53:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 09:02:37 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: "Critique of NHE" letter (cold fusion) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"6sAxc2.0.6v5.s6HUo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/529 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 26 Oct 96 11:01:47 EDT From: Jed Rothwell <72240.1256@compuserve.com> Subject: Revised Open Letter to NHE To: Vortex I apologize for cluttering the bandwidth with the same document twice, but I have made substantial revisions to this letter, so I thought I should post the latest version. I have received many valuable corrections, suggestions and comments about it. I thank T. Mizuno, S. Chubb, E. Storms, E. Mallove, C. Tinsley and others for their assistance. I have added additional references to the literature describing the role of temperature in promoting the cold fusion reaction. Let me repeat, if you have corrections or comments, please e-mail them to me by the end of November. If you disagree with my analysis and you wish to publish a rebuttal in the magazine to be published along with this Open Letter, please feel free to submit it by e-mail or regular mail by the end of November. I will be publishing some details about ICCF6 here in a few days. My review has been delayed because of a snafu getting tapes of the lectures. - Jed Rothwell 2050 Peachtree Industrial Court, Suite 113-A Chamblee, Georgia 30341 ------------------------------------------- Critique Of NHE Experiments An Open Letter to The NHE Lab Directorate by Jed Rothwell October 25, 1996 Version Over the last three years I have felt a growing sense of unease about the NHE cold fusion program. At ICCF6, during the visit to the NHE lab, and in conversations with Pons, Fleischmann, Kennel, Asami and others, I found my worst fears have been justified. The program has great promise, but in execution it is deeply flawed. Let me be blunt, and let me make some strong statements and recommendations. In my opinion, the equipment at the NHE lab is splendid, the attitude of the researchers is laudable, but the experiments are an unmitigated disaster. I feel that you are making many fundamental mistakes. Fleischmann agreed with me. Your researchers are ignoring techniques described in papers by Ikegami, Storms, Fleischmann, Celani and other leading researchers. After hearing the presentations, meeting with your people, and discussing this work, my impression is that they are ignoring the literature. In the Japanese Journal of Applied Physics, Ikegami [1] spelled out four essential conditions to achieving the cold fusion effect: high current density, high loading, a cathode temperature over 80 deg C, and proper surface preparation. Celani adds a fifth essential: non-equilibrium triggering conditions. (Storms disagrees, but most other experts say a trigger is needed.) Storms [2] and Cravens [3] describe essential characteristics of the palladium, and methods of testing it. I believe you have met the first two conditions listed by Ikegami and ignored all the others. As McKubre pointed out in his closing remarks, an SRI-style flow calorimeter is designed to ensure maximum equilibrium, unchanging temperatures, and a cool cathode. I have been saying for a long time that if you deliberately set out to design an instrument to prevent the CF effect, you could not come up with a better one. I do not understand why it has taken McKubre so many years to realize what others have been saying all along. At ICCF3, ICCF4 and ICCF5 Fleischmann [4, 5, 6] described the essential role of high temperatures in promoting the reaction, in what he calls "'positive feedback' between the temperature and the rate of excess enthalpy generation." At ICCF4, Storms [7] characterized the role of temperature, and McKubre [8] described one of the most dramatic heat bursts in the SRI flow calorimeter, which occurred in 1993 when the flow was accidentally blocked and the cathode temperature rose higher than planned. McKubre pointed out that this confirmed Fleischmann's hypothesis. Why has the NHE ignored these vital lessons about temperature, repeated year after year by leading scientists? In addition to the fundamental errors described in the literature, experts have made specific criticisms of the materials and techniques. For example, at ICCF6 Fleischmann told me that glassware is much better than Teflon for these long duration experiments. I think it is likely your funding will be cut to zero in a few years. Frankly, if I were in charge of the project, I would cut it to zero now, and I would allocate money to other groups that have achieved significant results. I believe you face a crisis, and in such times I follow the advice of the Duke of Albany in the closing lines of King Lear: The weight of this sad time we must obey, Speak what we feel, not what we ought to say. Not only have you ignored the literature, but you have concentrated exclusively on bulk palladium with heavy water, ignoring the easier, better alternatives. You have limited yourselves to the most difficult and unpromising materials and techniques. This is a recipe for disaster. Instead of using the materials that nearly always work, like thin film nickel or gold, or materials that often work, like high-temperature proton conductors, you persist in trying to use bulk palladium at low temperatures, which only worked at SRI years ago, in experiments that even SRI now cannot replicate. It seems the NHE program was set in stone years ago, you have ignored all progress, and you have ignored the setbacks reported by SRI. Scientific research requires flexibility. You cannot set a precisely defined course of action three years ahead of time and then stick to it without alteration and without paying attention to developments in other labs. When researchers repeat a difficult experiment many times over a period of months with no success because there is no alternative, that is laudable, dogged persistence. That kind of heroic dedication and hard work is essential to scientific progress. But when they repeat that same experiment for years without success, ignoring better techniques and disregarding papers by leading scientists describing their mistakes, that is misguided. It shows an inability or unwillingness to learn from experience, and from other scientists. It is a tragic waste of talent. It is folly. The NHE lab is considered the flagship of cold fusion. It has the best equipment and some of the finest, most dedicated and skillful workers. You have the opportunity to make scientific history. You should not squander such talent and resources on unproductive, dead-end experiments. I urge you to open your eyes to some of the well-established, replicated alternatives before it is too late. You should start with a 20-minute taxi trip over to the University of Hokkaido. The experiments being performed there by Mizuno, Ohmori, Enyo et al. are the best in Japan, and among the best in the world. They get consistent results at high signal to noise ratios. They observe dramatic, massive transmutations that produce unnatural isotopic ratios and other indisputable proof of nuclear reactions. This proof is more convincing than the mainstream neutrons, x-rays or tritium results, because the effects are large and easy to detect, non-transient, and cumulative. The longer the reaction runs, the more metal is transmuted. Mizuno's proton conductors [9] have confirmed by Oriani, [10] who is one of the best electrochemists in the world. Enyo and Mizuno's palladium transmutation results have been confirmed by Minevski & Bockris [11]. Ohmori's [12] gold results have been confirmed by Swartz [13]. Ohmori has repeated his experiment more than 50 times, demonstrating massive excess heat and transmutations in every run. He inputs 0.1 watts. After a 3 to 5-day incubation period, he observes between 0.4 and 1.0 watts output, producing a 4 deg C Delta T temperature in his isoperibolic calorimeter. The reaction generates transmuted material at levels 100 times higher than contamination from all sources in the cell, including material with highly unnatural isotopic distribution. I think it is best to replicate experiments done by people close by, who can assist you on a day to day basis. But you might also consider testing CETI style beads fabricated by the University of Illinois, if that can be arranged. Miley [14] reported that up to 40% of the nickel in these beads is transmuted into other metals. You should not attempt to fabricate the beads yourself until you have gained experience using them and you are sure they work with your equipment. You will experience significant problems with things like conductivity and cleanliness, so you should start with beads you know will work when everything else is right. It will take humility and honesty for you to admit it, but you must realize that the Hokkaido University researchers run rings around you. You have much to learn from them. They have been doing cold fusion since 1989. They know far more about electrochemistry than you do. They have degrees in electrochemistry and they have been working on similar experiments for decades, whereas I do not think you have any full-time Ph.D. electrochemists in the NHE lab. You appear to be modeling your work on SRI's program, yet Hokkaido University's results are far superior to anything SRI has ever achieved. I cannot understand why you ignore such splendid work in your own back yard while you attempt to do obsolete experiments performed years ago by SRI, which they themselves have not been able to replicate in the last year. I do not think that you or anyone else can suggest a valid reason to doubt the Hokkaido University results. Their calorimeters are not as sophisticated as those of SRI, but they are simpler and more reliable, and the excess heat is 30 times larger than SRI's relative to input, so it is easier to detect with confidence. Again I must urge you to spend some time in the labs at Hokkaido University observing the experiments and learning the techniques from people who have spent their careers doing electrochemistry. You cannot master a highly technical skill by any other means. I have never heard of anyone gaining a Ph.D. level of understanding of electrochemistry by reading textbooks and scientific papers alone. (And for that matter, let me repeat the hard truth: your people are ignoring many of the key scientific papers.) I urge you to get a fully made-up, prepared cell from Ohmori, bring it back to your lab, and test it with your own instruments. Do not attempt to make one yourself at first. After you have verified and mastered a cell made up by an expert, then it will be time to try to make one yourself. I discussed this work in detail with Ohmori and Mizuno, while I was translating their papers into English. The experiment is much harder than it looks. A step-by-step learning process is essential. You must take advantage of every opportunity to make the job easier and to improve the likelihood of success. You have seen dramatic examples of what can go wrong in your own lab with the Pons and Fleischmann boil-off experiment. Even with some direct, hands-on help from Stan Pons, you were not able to replicate this in 20 attempts. Both SRI [15] and the French Atomic Energy Commission (CEREM) [16] were able to replicate this experiment. Why did they succeed where you failed? I believe it is because: 1. McKubre is an experienced electrochemist; 2. Lonchampt et al. got more direct, hands-on assistance from Pons and Fleischmann over a longer period of time than you did; 3. Lonchampt insisted on doing a rigorous precise, engineering-style replication, down to the last wire. He is an engineer. He works the way an engineer would set up a semiconductor production line: he does everything exactly according to the book, making no attempt to be "creative" or to change anything. He knows that you must master the subject first, then add your own contribution to the field. I saw several gross differences between your boil-off cell and Pons and Fleischmann's, starting with the fact that theirs was half-silvered. I have no idea which differences in the hardware or protocol caused your cell to fail, but since the experiment has now been independently replicated twice, it must be your mistake, not Pons and Fleischmann's. If you had gotten more help, and if you had replicated the experiment with exactly the same glassware and wires, or better yet, if you had practiced with a cell and cathode that had worked repeatedly in France, then your boil-off experiment would have worked as well as CEREM's did. You could have built on that lesson. You might go back and do so now, but it would be better to start with an easier, more reliable experiment like Ohmori's. Footnotes 1. H. Ikegami, "The Next Steps in Cold Fusion," Oyou Butsuri, Vol 62, No. 7, July 1993, p. 717 2. E. Storms, "How to Produce the Pons-Fleischmann Effect," Fusion Technology, March 1996. 3. D. Cravens, "Factors Affecting the Success Rate of Heat Generation in CF Cells," Proc. 4th Int. Conf. on Cold Fusion, Lahaina, Maui, EPRI TR-104188, Vol. 2, 18-1 Voted Best Paper in Conference by Fleischmann 4. M. Fleischmann, "Calorimetry of the Pd ED2O System: from Symplicity via Complications to Simplicity," Frontiers of Cold Fusion; Proc. 3rd Int. Conf. Cold Fusion, Nagoya, 1992, ed. H. Ikegami (Universal Academy Press, Tokyo, 1993), p. 47 5. M. Fleischmann, "Calorimetry in the Pd-D2O System: The Search for Simplicity and Accuracy," Proc. 4th Int. Conf. on Cold Fusion, Lahaina, Maui, EPRI TR-104188, Vol. 1, p. 1-13 6. M. Fleischmann, "More about Positive Feedback; more about Boiling," Proc. 5th Intern. Conf. on Cold Fusion, Valbonne, France, IMRA Europe, p. 140 7. E. Storms, "Some Characteristics of Heat Production Using The 'Cold Fusion' Effect," Proc. 4th Int. Conf. on Cold Fusion, Lahaina, Maui, EPRI TR-104188, Vol. 2, p. 4-1 8. M. McKubre, "Loading, Calorimetric and Nuclear Investigation of the D/Pd System," Proc. 4th Int. Conf. on Cold Fusion, Lahaina, Maui, EPRI TR-104188, Vol. 1, p. 5-52 9. T. Mizuno, "Formation of 197Pt Radioisotopes In Solid State Electrolyte Treated by High Temperature Electrolysis in D2 Gas," Infinite Energy, #4 10. R. Oriani, "A Confirmation of Anomalous Thermal Power Generation From A Proton-Conducting Oxide," Proc. 6th Int. Conf. on Cold Fusion, Hokkaido, Japan, O-036. To be published in Fusion Technology, 1996. 11. Z. Minevski, "Two Zones of 'Impurities' Observed After Prolonged Electrolysis of Deuterium on Palladium," Infinite Energy, combined issues 5 and 6, p. 67. 12. T. Ohmori, "Isotopic Distributions of Heavy Metal Elements Produced During the Light Water Electrolysis on Au Electrode," Proc. 2nd Int. Low Energy Nuclear Reactions Conf., College Station, Texas, and Proc. 6th Int. Conf. on Cold Fusion, Hokkaido, Japan, TS-004 13. M. Swartz, "Possible Deuterium Production and Light Water Excess Enthalpy Experiments Using Nickel Cathodes," Proc. 2nd Int. Low Energy Nuclear Reactions Conf., College Station, Texas 14. G. Miley, "Nuclear Reaction in Palladium-Hydrogen System," Infinite Energy, #8 15. S. Crouch-Baker, "Mass Flow Calorimetric Studies under Non-Steady State Conditions," Proc.. 6th Int. Conf. on Cold Fusion, Hokkaido, Japan, P-004 16. G. Lonchampt, "Reproduction of Fleischmann and Pons Experiments," Proc. 6th Int. Conf. on Cold Fusion, Hokkaido, Japan, O-044 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 31 18:41:29 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id SAA22211; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 18:37:51 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 18:37:51 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 31 Oct 96 18:37 PST X-Sender: kap808@mail.europa.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Stephen Kaplan Subject: Re: Meyer in fraud case! Resent-Message-ID: <"tNpoK.0.vQ5.-9MUo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/530 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: How does one access the vortex digest? And, once again, what is the Rothwell NHE letter? Steve Kaplan At 07:36 AM 10/31/96 +0800, you wrote: >At 05:44 PM 10/30/96 PST, you wrote: >>Can anyone tell me how I can more information about this whole situation? >>How has Meyer been found to be fraudulent? What is the Rothwell NHE Letter >>that is referred to below? Thanks for any and all information on the Meyer >>and related cases. Steve Kaplan >> > > >DO check the vortex digest. There have been quite a few posts about Meyer. >____________________________________ >MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing >Michael Mandeville, publisher >mwm@aa.net >http://www.aa.net/~mwm > > > From pgantt@ix.netcom.com Thu Oct 31 02:12:20 1996 Received: from dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA23570 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 02:12:18 -0800 (PST) From: pgantt@ix.netcom.com Received: from smtp.netcruiser (sjx-ca37-09.ix.netcom.com [204.31.236.201]) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA26677 for billb@eskimo.com; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 02:11:47 -0800 Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 02:11:47 -0800 To: billb@eskimo.com Message-Id: <19961030224738441@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Radioactive transistors! (fwd) X-Mailer: NETCOMplete v3.0, from NETCOM On-Line Communications, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Status: RO X-Status: On 10/30/96 07:49:53 you wrote: > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 12:52:56 -0500 >From: "Bruce A. Perreault" >To: billb@eskimo.com >Subject: Radioactive transistors! > >Bill, > > Please post this letter that I sent to Wes earlier today. > > Wes, > > I can not believe that people are so willing to except > radioactive transistors but not my radiant energy tubes. > > You can get radioactive transistors to power a small radio. > As for getting any realistic power, no way. > > My radiant energy tubes are a scaled up version of these > transistors. The powers that be will not allow you to > use this concept for power generation! If you do you will > be put in a federal jail! I suggest for your own safety > that you put a halt to any projects that use radiation. > > Sincerely, Bruce A. Perreault > > This sounds extremely paranoid. I am firm believer in safety first, and as long as one is safe in using radioactive materials, more power to you (no pun intended). How to be safe is another question. I would strongly recommend taking a class in health physics, wear a radiation badge, and get licensed by the state to handle the materials. Then they can't bust you for illegal handling of radioactive materials. Be honest and legitimate with the powers at be and get a license to handle the materials for the purpose of doing research. Phil Gantt Phil Gantt (pgantt@ix.netcom.com) http://www.netcom.com/~pgantt/intro.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 31 20:49:29 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id MAA20162; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 12:34:57 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 12:34:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <2R+x0EAkVPeyEwWN@oroboros.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 18:52:20 +0000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Chris Morriss Subject: Re: solenoids In-Reply-To: <199610311032.CAA01053@mail.eskimo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 1.11 <5asEvod5709R6741eo9wbh3aEa> Resent-Message-ID: <"8VcOY2.0.sw4.irGUo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/528 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: In message <199610311032.CAA01053@mail.eskimo.com>, "some dodgy student..."@hw.ac.uk writes > >Wes, i am trying to make a railgun. Sounds like you are trying for a >coilgun, if it is a 2' long solenoid, at HV! The "slug" as you called >it will leave at pretty high speed. Try looking in the IEEE >transactions on Magnetics. It is a bit of a slog, but everything you >could want to know about coilguns/solenoids is in there, along with >railguns. > Also, on an unrelated matter.. I am trying to build a tesla coil, >but its output is gonna be way too low (2000Vac @50 hz) so i want to >use it to build a jacobs ladder. The question is, how do i stop the >coil from melting from the current, once the arcing has started? i >know the resistance will drop right down, and this coil is only going >to take about 0.1 A, so how do i stop an open circuit? Answer needed >for saturday, as i want to have one for my bonfire party! > Thanks, > Nigel Tolley > I used to have a big 50Hz transformer giving 10kV which once powered a large neon sign. That made a brilliant Jacob's ladder with bent wires. I think the leakage inductance was so high that the effect of the low impedance load caused by the spark did not cause a dangerously high primary current. I gave the thing away eventually, 10 kV from a 1000VA transformer frightened me to death. -- Chris Morriss