h= ttp://www.newscientist.com/news/nographic.jsp?id=3Dns99996341<= /DIV>

So much that they denied it to the=20 BBC:

http://news.bbc.= co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3621608.stm

What I find interesting is this: why = are they back=20 down at Arecibo, if not to reobserve this phenomenon? They fininished = their=20 Arecibo work in March 2003. Afterwards, they found only one interesting = signal,=20 and this is it. Now they are back down there for reobservations? With = the=20 information they gave out, it would be quite unprofessional to avoid = observing=20 this signal, at this time.

Craig Haynie (Houston)

------=_NextPart_000_00C9_01C49117.153A15A0-- From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Sep 2 17:11:35 2004 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i830BRo2002250; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 17:11:27 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i830BOwm002222; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 17:11:24 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 17:11:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <001901c49149$7b7323c0$8837fea9@pacbell.net> From: "Jones Beene" To: "vortex" Subject: Re: Seti? Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 17:03:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01C4910E.CD82FD60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55820 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C4910E.CD82FD60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >From the cosmic coincidences department:=20 Another interesting point about the direction of this strong and = mysterious signal: There was a time in our recorded history when the sun at the vernal = equinox was pointing directly to the separation between the = constellations Aries and the constellation Pisces; that is to say, at = the spring equinox of that time, the earth, the sun and the boundaries = between the constellations Aries and Pisces formed a straight line.=20 When was that time? FWIW ...almost exactly 2000 years ago, mid-March of the year 5. Could = there be any truth to the possibility of the true millennium actually = starting in mid-March 2005, and does that upcoming stage setting have = any "connections" to what is going on presently in NYC?=20 ;-} ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C4910E.CD82FD60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

From the cosmic coincidences department:

Another interesting point about the direction of this strong and = mysterious=20 signal:

There was a time in our recorded history when the sun at the vernal = equinox=20 was pointing directly to the separation between the constellations Aries = and the=20 constellation Pisces; that is to say, at the spring equinox of that = time, the=20 earth, the sun and the boundaries between the constellations Aries and = Pisces=20 formed a straight line.

When was that time?

FWIW ...almost exactly 2000 years ago, mid-March of the = year 5.=20 Could there be any truth to the possibility of the true millennium = actually=20 starting in mid-March 2005, and does that upcoming stage setting = have any=20 "connections" to what is going on presently in NYC?

;-}

------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C4910E.CD82FD60-- From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Sep 2 20:33:09 2004 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i833X4o2005505; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 20:33:04 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i833Wq7R005451; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 20:32:52 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 20:32:52 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Keith Nagel" To: Subject: RE: Seti? Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 00:01:23 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <001901c49149$7b7323c0$8837fea9@pacbell.net> Importance: Normal X-Rcpt-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55821 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Jones: You write: "and does that upcoming stage setting have any "connections" to what is going on presently in NYC?" Well, here's what's happening at the moment. Inside the MSG, Mr. Bush + Mr. Cheney are bathing in balloons and a special confetti with pictures of themselves being shot from remote controlled cannon. Outside the MSG, ~3000 people are charging up 8th Ave, and the police are readying this device. http://nyc.indymedia.org/usermedia/image/13/large/nype_lrad.jpg This is a sonic beam type weapon. Cop's in riot gear are now penning people and threatening mass arrest. A pink beam of love from your orbiting alien satellite would be appreciated; if you have any special insight or influence now's the time. K. From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Sep 3 06:57:09 2004 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i83DuoLg001025; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 06:56:50 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i83DubPH000955; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 06:56:37 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 06:56:37 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20040903095532.025a9918@mail.lenr-canr.org> X-Sender: log733sup@lenr-canr.org@mail.lenr-canr.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 09:56:35 -0400 To: vortex-L@eskimo.com From: Jed Rothwell Subject: Pebble bed reactors in China Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55822 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com This is a good article: http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.09/china.html This research is at Tsinghua U., where ICCF-9 was held. - Jed From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Sep 3 07:27:59 2004 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i83ERdLg009677; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 07:27:39 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i83ERbkd009660; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 07:27:37 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 07:27:37 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <002f01c491c1$16a76000$8837fea9@pacbell.net> From: "Jones Beene" To: "vortex" Subject: Electronium and LENR transmutation Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 07:19:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01C49186.696E54A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55823 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C49186.696E54A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The anecdotal evidence for a previously unknown low energy type of = nuclear fusion which can occur in biological life precedes the CF = announcement by many years. Has cellular life evolved this surprising = ability to use LENR for its own purposes over billions of years? In 1964, even before Kervan became notorious for his contentions, Oshava = and Torii 'proved' in an experiment that "cold fusion" of Na to K is = possible.=20 O&T reportedly took 2.3 mg of Na, put it in a vacuum tube, 20 of cm long = and 2 cm in diameter, and sealed it. They ran electrical discharges of = 60 watts through it for 30 minutes. After stopping the discharges, they = inserted Oxygen in the sealed tube with the electrically treated Na. A = second later Na transmuted to K, according to the exothermal* equation: = 11Na23 + Electrical Excitation + 8O16 =3D 19K39 + Energy=20 This sounds like just the kind of experiment for Nick Reiter and = Associates, no? At any rate, this experiment is said to prove that if Na is first = treated electrically, apparently its nucleus gets into an excited state, = and secondly, when exposed to Oxygen while still excited, fuses with it = and transmutes to Potassium.=20 Or so it is stated along with much more surprises, on this website: http://www.papimi.gr/eqoflif.htm How could this be possible (assuming it is possible, which is far from = certain) ? Well, for starters consider the possibility of a new class of lepton, = essentially a heavy electron or at least a stable = bound-triplicate-lepton which is being called ELECTRONIUM. This charged = particle has two electrons bound with one positron into a stable = particle. Like proton and neutron formation, it was formed in the big = bang (or its alternatives), and some of the original mass/energy of the = predecessor particles will have been converted into binding energy, so = the particle is less than three times more massive but with the same = charge. Consider electronium as a heavy electron, but just light enough = to have escaped detection heretofore. These particles could have been created massively in cosmic events and = continuously in our sun whenever 1.02 Mev photons create = positron-electron pairs and they combine with an electron under enormous = pressure. The so-called electron in the primary solar pep reaction:=20 P-e-P ----> D + neutrino=20 will most likely be electronium, and not a light electron in the stellar = environment. This gives a clue as to how electronium can catalyze other = nuclear reactions. It also indicates that life on Earth may depend on = this heretofore unknown particle.... In its lowest surmised proton orbit (244.8 eV) the orbital radius of the = heavy electron has been reduced to 2.938e-12 meters and its Velocity = increased 6.558e6 meters/sec - 3(c*alpha). At this close orbit, the = probability of catalyzing fusion with another nucleus has been increased = by many orders of magnitude. It is suspected that most electronium which gets to the surface of earth = arrive in oxygen molecules, having been captured in ozone initially in = the upper atmosphere. It will stay there in the oxygen electron cloud = until O2 combines with another element which can *steal* the heavy = electron.=20 In the process, it is just possible that a number of verities of LENR = will be possible. ... or so it seems today (having just stumbled on this idea) ... Jones ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C49186.696E54A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The anecdotal evidence for a previously unknown low energy = type of=20 nuclear fusion which can occur in biological life precedes the CF = announcement=20 by many years. Has cellular life evolved this surprising ability to use = LENR for=20 its own purposes over billions of years?

In 1964, even before Kervan became notorious for his contentions, = Oshava=20 and Torii 'proved' in an experiment that "cold fusion" of Na = to K is=20 possible.

O&T reportedly took 2.3 mg of Na, put it in a vacuum tube, 20 = of cm=20 long and 2 cm in diameter, and sealed it. They ran electrical discharges = of 60=20 watts through it for 30 minutes. After stopping the discharges, they = inserted=20 Oxygen in the sealed tube with the electrically treated Na. A second = later Na=20 transmuted to K, according to the exothermal* equation:

11Na23 + Electrical Excitation + 8O16 =3D 19K39 + Energy

This sounds like just the kind of experiment for Nick Reiter and=20 Associates, no?

At any rate, this experiment is said to prove that if Na is first = treated=20 electrically, apparently its nucleus gets into an excited state, and = secondly,=20 when exposed to Oxygen while still excited, fuses with it and transmutes = to=20 Potassium.

Or so it is stated along with much more surprises, on this = website:

http://www.papimi.gr/eqoflif.ht= m

How could this be possible (assuming it is possible, which is far = from=20 certain) ?

Well, for starters consider the possibility of a new class of = lepton,=20 essentially a heavy electron or at least a stable=20 bound-triplicate-lepton which is being called ELECTRONIUM. = This=20 charged particle has two electrons bound with one positron into a stable = particle. Like proton and neutron formation, it was formed in the = big bang=20 (or its alternatives), and some of the original mass/energy of the = predecessor=20 particles will have been converted into binding energy, so the = particle is=20 less than three times more massive but with the same charge. Consider=20 electronium as a heavy electron, but just light enough to have escaped = detection=20 heretofore.

These particles could have been created massively in cosmic events = and=20 continuously in our sun whenever 1.02 Mev photons create = positron-electron pairs=20 and they combine with an electron under enormous pressure. The so-called = electron in the primary solar pep reaction:=20
&nb= sp;=20 P-e-P ----> D + neutrino
will most likely be electronium, and not = a=20 light electron in the stellar environment. This gives a clue = as to how=20 electronium can catalyze other nuclear reactions. It also indicates = that=20 life on Earth may depend on this heretofore = unknown particle....

In its lowest surmised proton orbit (244.8 eV) the orbital = radius of=20 the heavy electron has been reduced to 2.938e-12 meters and its Velocity = increased 6.558e6 meters/sec - 3(c*alpha). At this close orbit, the = probability of catalyzing fusion with another nucleus has been increased = by many=20 orders of magnitude.

It is suspected that most electronium which gets to the surface of=20 earth arrive in oxygen molecules, having been captured = in ozone=20 initially in the upper atmosphere. It will stay there in the oxygen = electron=20 cloud until O2 combines with another element which can *steal* the heavy = electron.

In the process, it is just possible that a number of verities of = LENR will=20 be possible.

... or so it seems today (having just stumbled on this idea) = ...

Jones

------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C49186.696E54A0-- From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Sep 3 07:37:54 2004 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i83Ebno2005676; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 07:37:49 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i83EbdeU005620; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 07:37:39 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 07:37:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <413881AB.1020003@rtpatlanta.com> Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:37:31 -0400 From: "Terry Blanton" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Recent Paper on the Allais Effect Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55824 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Requires Acrobat Reader http://arxiv.org/ftp/gr-qc/papers/0408/0408023.pdf From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Sep 3 07:47:14 2004 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i83EkoLg015043; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 07:46:50 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i83Ekmam015020; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 07:46:48 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 07:46:48 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20040903100126.025c5218@mail.lenr-canr.org> X-Sender: log733sup@lenr-canr.org@mail.lenr-canr.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:46:43 -0400 To: vortex-L@eskimo.com From: Jed Rothwell Subject: Potential unemployment from cold fusion Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55825 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com For a long time, I have been worried that cold fusion or ZPE might hurt the economy by causing unemployment. I recently looked up employment statistics to try to get estimate what effects CF might have. The problem is not as bad as I thought. Energy sector employment has been shrinking for years, but I did not realize how small it has become. See: ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/suppl/empsit.ceseeb3.txt The first jobs to be affected by cold fusion will be in the fossil fuel industry, particularly oil, which is the most expensive fossil fuel measured per joule,and it is the fuel that the US most important the most of. I expect the transition away from oil will take 5 to 10 years, starting the day the first cold fusion vehicle is sold. Later, electric power companies will gradually be pushed into bankruptcy. Jobs related to fossil fuels appear to fall in these categories: Oil and gas extraction, 132 thousand workers (July 2004 column) Coal mining, 75 Support activities for mining (roughly 30% for coal), 185 * .3 = 56 Petroleum and coal products, 113. Many of these, such as plastic feedstocks, will not be affected by the cutover to CF. 18% of oil production goes to non-energy products, and these products are more labor intensive than gasoline. Gasoline stations, 868. This is 75% of energy sector workers. These are dead-end, low pay jobs. Night shift gasoline station attendants have the most dangerous job in the US. The only well-paid people are the gas station owner and the mechanics. Mechanics will not lose their jobs with cold fusion. Gas stations make most of their profits from inside sales of food, beverages and sundries. Some will remain in business to serve these needs. Gas stations on major highways are usually built next to fast food restaurants. They will go out of business, because the fast food restaurants can serve travelers' needs. The total is 1.2 million workers. To put this in perspective, 2.8 million people work in food and beverage stores, where pay and job benefits are usually better than gas stations. Since people will buy roughly the same amount of food, beverages and sundries, with or without CF, we will need roughly the same number of cash register clerks selling these things. The gas station clerk who moves to a regular grocery store will have a better job. Bear in mind that when people stop paying $20 per week for gasoline, they will probably spend the money on something else. They may buy more expensive cuts of meat at the grocery store, which will benefit those 2.8 million people at the grocery stores, the 1.5 million in the "Food manufacturing" sector and the farmers. Or they may spend more on movies, which will benefit the 378 thousand people who work in "Motion picture and sound recording industries." The money we no longer spend on oil will not vanish down a black hole. Most of the people who will be adversely affected by the collapse of oil will be wealthy stockholders and oil sheiks. I could not care less what happens to them. Still, the loss of 1.2 million jobs over 10 years is a very serious problem. That is almost one percent of all US jobs. But the U.S. economy would not be seriously hurt by the loss, unless the politicians and business leaders panicked or botched the transition. I think other near-term problems with employment are even more serious, such as outsourcing to other nations. Or, consider health care. It is far too expensive, and costs are spiraling out of control. When I visit a hospital, the reason seems obvious to me. These places have far too many employees, and their work habits are incredibly efficient. The nurses have to walk many miles per day extra because they do not carry around essential items in a cart. Most of the clerical staff does work by hand that should have been automated decades ago. Mountains of paperwork or generated, and often lost. During an admissions procedure, I was asked the same extensive set of questions three times by three different clerks, who wrote the answers down and *then* typed them into a computer! Apparently, the information was again entered by hand by someone at the insurance office. Experts have estimated that ~30% of the money spent on health care is wasted on paperwork and redundant tests, often because the test results has been lost in the system. 14 million people are employed in health care, and in my opinion approximately 4 million of them are redundant and should be fired within the next few years, if we are serious about reducing healthcare costs. In short, effective reform will cause three times more unemployment than cold fusion would, at least in the near term. Also, unlike healthcare reform, cold fusion will also create jobs. Ed Storms is worried about instability and the possibility of violence. He wrote to me: "When the financial system becomes unstable, wars result." My response: We are already at war with Saudi Arabia, and with most of the other Middle East Arab countries. A Saudi government public opinion survey showed that 95 percent of the men under age 40 consider bin Laden a national hero. The majority of people in the Middle East approve of the 9/11 attacks and the terror war against the U.S. The only way we can win against them is to bankrupt them, cut off all connections, withdraw all U.S. troops from the area, and let them stew in their own juices. The sooner we do that, the better it will be for us and for them. I sincerely believe that if Mideast oil stocks were to magically disappear overnight, ten years later the people of the Middle East would be much happier, and so would the rest of us. I think it would be much easier for us to adjust than most people realize. Look at the way people adjusted to WWII rationing, and the way people in California reacted to the fake, Enron-engineered 2000 - 2001 energy crisis. All the talk about not keeping up with demand vanished overnight. California now has a glut of generation capacity. Once people & corporations conserve and replace inefficient machines and lighting, they never need the extra power again, because Americans already have enough lights and refrigerators. Our per-capita energy consumption has not increased since the early 1970s, and if it were not for SUVs, it would be falling rapidly. - Jed From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Sep 3 08:09:59 2004 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i83F9bLg023730; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:09:37 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i83F9YbM023703; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:09:34 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:09:34 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20040903105054.025c4fd0@mail.lenr-canr.org> X-Sender: log733sup@lenr-canr.org@mail.lenr-canr.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 11:09:32 -0400 To: vortex-L@eskimo.com From: Jed Rothwell Subject: Re: Potential unemployment from cold fusion Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <5L5lMC.A.TyF.ukIOBB@ultra6.eskimo.com> Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55826 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com I wrote: ". . . oil, which is the most expensive fossil fuel measured per joule, and it is the fuel that the US most important the most of." That is supposed to say: "it is the fuel the US must import the most of." Thank you, voice input. The US used to use oil for many purposes such as generating electricity and residential heating, but in the last 30 years these other applications have been largely discontinued, and oil is used for transportation and chemical feedstocks only. See p. 148 and 149: http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/aer/pdf/03842002.pdf Per capita consumption is shown on page xvii. - Jed From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Sep 3 13:42:07 2004 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i83KflLg012760; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:41:47 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i83KfjQR012751; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:41:45 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:41:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <000b01c491f5$59d0fce0$8837fea9@pacbell.net> From: "Jones Beene" To: "vortex" Subject: Fermi Condensate Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:34:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C491BA.ACDC9BA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: <-0CQMD.A.LHD.JcNOBB@ultra6.eskimo.com> Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55827 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C491BA.ACDC9BA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >From the "yet another reason the experts are wrong" department: This months Sci. Am. special edition (focus on Einstein) has a story on = the woman, Deborah Jin, who has apparently found that the Pauli = exclusion principle is just a generalization (like the second law of = thermodynamics) and has gotten a condensate to form out of Fermions. ... it's just a matter of time before everyone with any sense will be = jumping on the LENR bandwagon. Jones ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C491BA.ACDC9BA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

From the "yet another reason the experts are wrong" = department:

This months Sci. Am. special edition (focus on Einstein) has a = story on the=20 woman, Deborah Jin, who has apparently found that the Pauli exclusion = principle=20 is just a generalization (like the second law of thermodynamics) and has = gotten=20 a condensate to form out of Fermions.

... it's just a matter of time before everyone with any sense will = be=20 jumping on the LENR bandwagon.

Jones

------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C491BA.ACDC9BA0-- From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Sep 3 13:51:59 2004 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i83KpeLg015354; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:51:40 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i83KpdHl015336; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:51:39 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:51:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <410-22004953205250660@ix.netcom.com> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: aki@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Akira Kawasaki" To: "vortex-l" Subject: FW: WHAT'S NEW Friday, September 03, 2004 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:52:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: c4cc7f5f697e8746f66dc3a06d5924d8c7ccbfd2978b852041af294fb3ecd373773bb16c9ad91485350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.232.12.66 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55828 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com > [Original Message] > From: What's New > To: Akira Kawasaki Date: 9/3/2004 12:59:33 PM Subject: WHAT'S NEW Friday, September 03, 2004 WHAT'S NEW Robert L. Park Friday, 3 Sep 04 Washington, DC 1. PLANETS: "... A NEW PLANET SWIMS INTO HIS KEN," JOHN KEATS. Three planets swam into our ken this week, orbiting other stars. The news is that they are much smaller than previously discovered Jupiter-sized giants which are unlikely to harbor life. The most compelling quest in science is to find life to which we are not related. Our best hope had always been our neighbor Mars, but we were disappointed in 1976 when Viking 2 gave us a close-up look at the barren surface of Mars. Ironically, Viking had landed in the region called "the Utopian Plain." The search for life continues on Mars, then on to Jupiter's ocean-moons. Soon perhaps, the search can expand beyond the solar system. 2. NUCLEAR PROLIFERATION: TREATIES ARE VIOLATED WITH IMPUNITY. Iran acknowledges that tons of raw uranium are being processed into uranium hexafluoride gas, which will then be centrifuged to produce enriched uranium. Only low-enriched uranium for use in electric power generation is sought, Iran claims. Uh huh, like this country that floats on an ocean of oil needs nuclear power. North Korea has been openly flaunting its nuclear weapons program http://www.aps.org/WN/WN04/wn011604.cfm and now South Korea, has admitted to the International Atomic Energy Agency that highly enriched uranium has been produced, but said it was done by rogue scientists without the government's knowledge. Sure. Meanwhile, the United States used the preemptive-strike justification to invade the only rogue country that wasn't close to making a bomb. The U.S. may now be spread too thin to be taken seriously. 3. DIETARY GUIDELINES: FOOD PYRAMID IS REFINED - REFINED SUGAR. At a time when diabetes and obesity are growing health problems, new guidelines http://www.aps.org/WN/WN04/wn081304.cfm replace, "Avoid too much sugar," with "Choose carbohydrates wisely." Although public health advocates expressed satisfaction with the report, the New York Times thinks the report was deliberately obscure when it came to sugar. According to the Times, the food, drug and supplement industries have strong ties to a number of the panelists and probably influenced the outcome. Comments on the recommendations of the Dietary Guidelines Advisory Committee will be accepted until September 27, 2004. Even as the revised guidelines were made public, separate studies showed appalling increases in obesity and diabetes linked to consumption of sugar-sweetened sodas. Soft drinks contain high-fructose corn syrup, which raises blood sugar, drastically increasing insulin and putting stress on insulin- producing cells of the pancreas. THE UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND. Opinions are the author's and not necessarily shared by the University of Maryland, but they should be. --- Archives of What's New can be found at http://www.aps.org/WN To subscribe, send a blank e-mail to: From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Sep 4 01:56:17 2004 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i848uAIW010686; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 01:56:14 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i848tliV010617; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 01:55:47 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 01:55:47 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <410-2200496475512130@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: fjsparber@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.42.0 (Windows) From: "Frederick Sparber" To: "vortex-l" Subject: Re: Having it Both Ways Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 02:55:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 0b1c9d71006e06a171639b933de7ae6f7e972de0d01da9404ab434b72bf7c68734804ccfc00d47bb350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.240.78.73 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55829 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII If the Stable Triplet Group, e- + (e+) + e- forms the lepton composite "Electronium" at a high probability, sans annihilation radiation, both LENR-CANR and Over-Unity heat effects can be readily explained. The Russian paper posted by Sandia Labs gives a best guess on the cross sections: http://www.sandia.gov/ASCI/russia/pdf_files/gryaznykh1998.pdf http://besch2.physik.uni-siegen.de/~depac/DePAC/DePAC_tutorial_database/grupen_istanbul/node20.html#F:cgru:pairprod However, gamma photons of 2.0 Mev or more are required, indicating that the D + D --> He4 + 24 Mev reaction would be their source. Frederick ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII

If the Stable Triplet Group, e- + (e+) + e- forms the lepton composite "Electronium" at a high probability, sans annihilation radiation, both LENR-CANR and Over-Unity heat effects can be readily explained.

The Russian paper posted by Sandia Labs gives a best guess on the cross sections:

http://www.sandia.gov/ASCI/russia/pdf_files/gryaznykh1998.pdf

http://besch2.physik.uni-siegen.de/~depac/DePAC/DePAC_tutorial_database/grupen_istanbul/node20.html#F:cgru:pairprod

However, gamma photons of 2.0 Mev or more are required,

indicating that the D + D --> He4 + 24 Mev reaction would be their source.

Frederick

------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Sep 4 02:18:56 2004 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i849InIW013989; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 02:18:49 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i849ImkH013973; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 02:18:48 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 02:18:48 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <410-2200496481821310@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: fjsparber@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.42.0 (Windows) From: "Frederick Sparber" To: "vortex-l" Subject: Re: Common sense Sparks are flying!!! Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 03:18:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 0b1c9d71006e06a171639b933de7ae6f7e972de0d01da9400fe5f2422a37f221995a1c5d1bc4fa1d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.240.78.73 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55830 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Check the vortex archives Thu, 9 Sept 1999 19:08:36 on this thread for an exchange between yours truly and Mitchell Swartz. "What goes around comes around", don't it? Frederick ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII

Check the vortex archives Thu, 9 Sept 1999 19:08:36 on this thread for an

exchange between yours truly and Mitchell Swartz.

"What goes around comes around", don't it?

Frederick

------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Sep 4 02:50:04 2004 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i849nlAk031125; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 02:49:47 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i849nj3P031116; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 02:49:45 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 02:49:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <410-2200496484918340@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: fjsparber@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.42.0 (Windows) From: "Frederick Sparber" To: "vortex-l" Subject: Re: Common sense Sparks are flying Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 03:49:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 0b1c9d71006e06a171639b933de7ae6f7e972de0d01da940bacd931fb517788cd5a5865748159b13350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.240.78.73 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55831 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII That " triplet of" exclamation marks should trigger your spam-blocker. I"m leaving them off. Re: Common sense Sparks are flying!!! http://www.escribe.com/science/vortex/m6992.html A search for "Triplet" opened a whole can of worms. Deja vu all over again? Scott Little, Mitchell Swartz & ZPE, Charge Clusters etc. Frederick Frederick ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII

That " triplet of" exclamation marks should trigger your spam-blocker. I"m leaving them off.

Re: Common sense Sparks are flying!!!

http://www.escribe.com/science/vortex/m6992.html

A search for "Triplet" opened a whole can of worms. Deja vu all over again?

Scott Little, Mitchell Swartz & ZPE, Charge Clusters etc.

Frederick

------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Sep 4 03:47:40 2004 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i84AlYIW029417; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 03:47:35 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i84AlXkb029400; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 03:47:33 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 03:47:33 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <410-220049649474410@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: fjsparber@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.42.0 (Windows) From: "Frederick Sparber" To: "vortex-l" Subject: Re: Water Jet Impact Over-Unity? Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 04:47:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 0b1c9d71006e06a171639b933de7ae6f7e972de0d01da940539fb1dafde54f5198be1626bb970013350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.240.75.26 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55832 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII H2O or D2O impacting on a diamond flat? http://www.flowcorp.com/newsite/Faqs/2_types_of_jets.htm "But how is the pump’s water pressure converted to this other form of energy, water velocity? The answer lies in a tiny jewel. A jewel is affixed to the end of the plumbing tubing. The jewel has a tiny hole in it. The pressurized water passes through this tiny opening changing the pressure to velocity. At approximately 40,000 psi the resulting stream that passes out of the orifice is traveling at Mach 2. And at 60,000 psi the speed is over Mach 3." "Question: How hot is the water in a Mach 3 waterjet stream? Answer: The water is warmed as it is accelerated to high speed. Frictional forces and other factors warm the stream as it exits the orifice. I Inlet water temperature provides the starting point. Water temperature is then raised 2 to 3 degrees for each 1,000 psi. The quick answer is the Mach 3 jet is approximately 170 to 180 degrees F." Frederick ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII

H2O or D2O impacting on a diamond flat?

http://www.flowcorp.com/newsite/Faqs/2_types_of_jets.htm

"But how is the pump’s water pressure converted to this other form of energy, water velocity? The answer lies in a tiny jewel. A jewel is affixed to the end of the plumbing tubing. The jewel has a tiny hole in it. The pressurized water passes through this tiny opening changing the pressure to velocity. At approximately 40,000 psi the resulting stream that passes out of the orifice is traveling at Mach 2. And at 60,000 psi the speed is over Mach 3."

"Question: How hot is the water in a Mach 3 waterjet stream?

Answer: The water is warmed as it is accelerated to high speed. Frictional forces and other factors warm the stream as it exits the orifice. I Inlet water temperature provides the starting point. Water temperature is then raised 2 to 3 degrees for each 1,000 psi. The quick answer is the Mach 3 jet is approximately 170 to 180 degrees F."

Frederick

------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Sep 4 08:17:26 2004 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i84FH6Ak022080; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 08:17:06 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i84FH404022034; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 08:17:04 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 08:17:04 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <4139DD0C.5000307@rtpatlanta.com> Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 11:19:40 -0400 From: Terry Blanton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex-l Subject: Re: Common sense Sparks are flying Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010405000806050102080405" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55833 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010405000806050102080405 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Frederick Sparber wrote: > > That " triplet of" exclamation marks should trigger your spam-blocker. > I"m leaving them off. > > Re: Common sense Sparks are flying!!! > > http://www.escribe.com/science/vortex/m6992.html I went back to read the entire thread and found a reference to Toups Technology Licensing which is now Earth First Technology http://earthfirsttech.com/about.shtml whose business is . . . well . . . something near and dear to Frederick's heart. --------------010405000806050102080405 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Frederick Sparber wrote:

That " triplet of" exclamation marks should trigger your spam-blocker. I"m leaving them off.

Re: Common sense Sparks are flying!!!

http://www.escribe.com/science/vortex/m6992.html

I went back to read the entire thread and found a reference to Toups Technology Licensing which is now Earth First Technology

http://earthfirsttech.com/about.shtml

whose business is . . . well . . . something near and dear to Frederick's heart.
--------------010405000806050102080405-- From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Sep 4 08:49:45 2004 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i84FnOAk030374; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 08:49:24 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i84FnMgn030357; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 08:49:22 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 08:49:22 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-Titankey-e_id: <2c55607c-d096-4ecc-9e1c-4795e31c2b6b> Message-ID: <000f01c49296$b659e1b0$3f7bccd1@MIKEBY3NR533HT> From: "Mike Carrell" To: References: <4139DD0C.5000307@rtpatlanta.com> Subject: Re: Common sense Sparks are flying Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 11:48:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55834 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Terry wrote: >I went back to read the entire thread and found a reference to Toups Technology >Licensing which is now Earth First Technology That thread goes still further back to claims for underwater plasmas producing a more efficient fuel with near-OU claims. That involved further complications which are in the past. When the frills are stripped away, what is promoted is underwater arcs to convert hydrocarbon sludge of various types into a H-CO mix sold for welding and cutting torches as "NextGas", for which virtuous claims are made. The CO content makes "NextGas" toxic. Mike Carrell From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Sep 4 09:22:23 2004 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i84GM7Ak007840; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 09:22:07 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i84GM5Rh007813; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 09:22:05 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 09:22:05 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <003401c4929a$3cf19260$8837fea9@pacbell.net> From: "Jones Beene" To: "vortex" Subject: Re: Electronium and LENR transmutation Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 09:14:21 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: <7lcBlC.A.A6B.sueOBB@ultra6.eskimo.com> Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55835 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Yesterday I posted an (unconvincing ?) speculation which might explain the biological transmutation seen by Kervan and others. Even my partner-in-crime in this electronium thing - Fred Sparber, has balked at that one. One can hardly blame him. He notes that the nuclear reaction involves overcoming the repulsive coulomb Force barrier between Oxygen and Sodium to get Potassium : 8O-16 + 11Na-23 -----> 19K-39 F = Z1*Z2 * kq^2/R^2 = 8 *11*2.304e-28/1.0e-28 = 202.75 newtons is way too high to even consider that electronium would help as an intermediary or shielding-catalyst - even if this previously unknown particle - the heavy lepton triplicate we are calling electronium existed; which, it goes without saying is itself an additional far-out probability... but hey, this is vortex, so let's not throw in the towel until all the possibilities have been wrung-out. Let me play devil's advocate in a bit more detail this time. After all, this amount of repulsive force is tiny in comparison to that seen in Shoulders 10^10 electron EVOs, which I believe to be real. But the main thing is that the anecdotal evidence of excess potassium "coming from nowhere" won't go away, and I hope that it can be reconfirmed soon with the most modern instruments. I understand that attempts are being considered in a major lab, so who knows? It has been 40 years since Oshavwa and Torii in Japan supposedly 'proved' in an experiment that "cold fusion" of Na to K is possible, but I suspect that the improbability in the mathmeatics of this one, which far exceed those of deuterium cold fusion, are so daunting that no one thought it was true - then or now, despite the experiment. And no one wanted to become a laughing-strok by trying to replicate it... so it lingers as this Homeric siren lure: 11Na23 + Electrical Excitation + 8O16 = 19K39 At any rate, this experiment is said by the authors to prove that if Na is first treated electrically, apparently its nucleus gets into an excited state so that the strong force is spread out to encompass a much larger area (my interpretation), and secondly, when exposed to Oxygen while still excited, fuses with it after somehow overcoming mutual repulsion - and transmutes to Potassium. As improbable as that is, I would sugest an alternative explanation involving the triplicate lepton - electonium, alluded to in other posts. Rather than forcing the nucleus into an excited state which the electrical stimulation could scarely do anyway, this imposed charge serves only to push all the electronium into the closest possible "orbital" which has an ionization energy of about 244.8 eV where the radius of the heavy electron has been reduced to about e-12 meters, giving the inner orbital a sphere-smear which is about 3000 times smaller than that of a hydrogen atom (for comparison). Somehow... the extent of the strong force is expanded out nearer to this radius. The strong force has a normal range of about e-15 meters BUT dont forget that it is normally 137 times greater in magnitude than electrostatic repulsion, so it doesn't have to go all the way out to the close electronium orbital. At this close range, the probability of catalyzing fusion with another nucleus would have been increased by many orders of magnitude, and we can let QM tunneling take over from there, but is this a pure invention? In truth, even I am far from convinced that the rationalization is not much closer to science fiction. But the same was said of Jules Verne's wild guesses in his day - so let me just end this by saying that on the off-chance that this biological evidence : Kervan's "potassium from nowhere" continues to persist with stronger experimentation, the idea above is one plausible way to account for it... and, in the history of science, more improbable things have proven true. ....but not many... Jones From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Sep 4 10:25:03 2004 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i84HOjAk025246; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 10:24:45 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i84HOhns025227; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 10:24:43 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 10:24:43 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <410-22004964151049200@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: fjsparber@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.42.0 (Windows) From: "Frederick Sparber" To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Common sense Sparks are flying Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 10:10:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 0b1c9d71006e06a171639b933de7ae6f7e972de0d01da9403d7ebeaab25ef41ea3b947739d44cab5350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.240.159.220 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55836 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Mike: The CO produced in the underwater process can react in the water to shift to hydrogen at liquid water temperatures. The Shift Reaction: CO + H2O ----> CO2 + H2 (slightly exothermic) This likes to go at lower temperature when a water-soluble "shift catalyst" such as K2CO3 or NH4CO3 is used in the process. Also there is some CH4 produced. Thanks Terry. :-) Regards Frederick > [Original Message] > From: Mike Carrell > To: > Date: 9/4/04 10:49:25 AM > Subject: Re: Common sense Sparks are flying > > Terry wrote: > > > > >I went back to read the entire thread and found a reference to Toups > Technology >Licensing which is now Earth First Technology > > That thread goes still further back to claims for underwater plasmas > producing a more efficient fuel with near-OU claims. That involved further > complications which are in the past. When the frills are stripped away, what > is promoted is underwater arcs to convert hydrocarbon sludge of various > types into a H-CO mix sold for welding and cutting torches as "NextGas", for > which virtuous claims are made. The CO content makes "NextGas" toxic. > > Mike Carrell > > From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Sep 4 10:42:27 2004 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i84HgKIW008955; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 10:42:21 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i84HgIaa008938; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 10:42:18 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 10:42:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <410-22004964164151480@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: fjsparber@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.42.0 (Windows) From: "Frederick Sparber" To: "vortex-l" Subject: Re: Common sense Sparks are flying Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 11:41:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 0b1c9d71006e06a171639b933de7ae6f7e972de0d01da940d5578dff353e20777fc9a1b3a04215c2350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.240.165.122 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55837 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Terry Blanton wrote: > > I went back to read the entire thread and found a reference to Toups Technology Licensing which is now Earth First Technology > > http://www.escribe.com/science/vortex/m6992.html > > > http://earthfirsttech.com/about.shtml > My experience with a 500 amp DC submerged arc , is that going by the sound it makes (you can safely watch the light from the arc since it is filtered by the water) it seems to "buzz" as though it is flipping back and forth between an arc and spark mode. This indicates that sonoluminescence, Griggs, Huffman, and Potapov's water agitation over-unity effects as well as effects similar to LENR-CANR Electrolysis effects occur, further supporting Gene Mallove's contention that O-U is/was occurring. Frederick ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII

Terry Blanton wrote:
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> I went back to read the entire thread and found a reference to Toups Technology Licensing which is now Earth First Technology

> http://www.escribe.com/science/vortex/m6992.html
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> http://earthfirsttech.com/about.shtml

My experience with a 500 amp DC submerged arc , is that going by the sound it makes (you can safely

watch the light from the arc since it is filtered by the water) it seems to "buzz" as though it is flipping back and forth between an arc and spark mode.

This indicates that sonoluminescence, Griggs, Huffman, and Potapov's water agitation over-unity effects

as well as effects similar to LENR-CANR Electrolysis effects occur, further supporting Gene Mallove's contention

that O-U is/was occurring.

Frederick

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