h= ttp://www.newscientist.com/news/nographic.jsp?id=3Dns99996341<= /DIV>

So much that they denied it to the=20 BBC:

http://news.bbc.= co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3621608.stm

What I find interesting is this: why = are they back=20 down at Arecibo, if not to reobserve this phenomenon? They fininished = their=20 Arecibo work in March 2003. Afterwards, they found only one interesting = signal,=20 and this is it. Now they are back down there for reobservations? With = the=20 information they gave out, it would be quite unprofessional to avoid = observing=20 this signal, at this time.

Craig Haynie (Houston)

------=_NextPart_000_00C9_01C49117.153A15A0-- From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Sep 2 17:11:35 2004 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i830BRo2002250; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 17:11:27 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i830BOwm002222; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 17:11:24 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 17:11:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <001901c49149$7b7323c0$8837fea9@pacbell.net> From: "Jones Beene" To: "vortex" Subject: Re: Seti? Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 17:03:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01C4910E.CD82FD60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55820 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C4910E.CD82FD60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >From the cosmic coincidences department:=20 Another interesting point about the direction of this strong and = mysterious signal: There was a time in our recorded history when the sun at the vernal = equinox was pointing directly to the separation between the = constellations Aries and the constellation Pisces; that is to say, at = the spring equinox of that time, the earth, the sun and the boundaries = between the constellations Aries and Pisces formed a straight line.=20 When was that time? FWIW ...almost exactly 2000 years ago, mid-March of the year 5. Could = there be any truth to the possibility of the true millennium actually = starting in mid-March 2005, and does that upcoming stage setting have = any "connections" to what is going on presently in NYC?=20 ;-} ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C4910E.CD82FD60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

From the cosmic coincidences department:

Another interesting point about the direction of this strong and = mysterious=20 signal:

There was a time in our recorded history when the sun at the vernal = equinox=20 was pointing directly to the separation between the constellations Aries = and the=20 constellation Pisces; that is to say, at the spring equinox of that = time, the=20 earth, the sun and the boundaries between the constellations Aries and = Pisces=20 formed a straight line.

When was that time?

FWIW ...almost exactly 2000 years ago, mid-March of the = year 5.=20 Could there be any truth to the possibility of the true millennium = actually=20 starting in mid-March 2005, and does that upcoming stage setting = have any=20 "connections" to what is going on presently in NYC?

;-}

------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C4910E.CD82FD60-- From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Sep 2 20:33:09 2004 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i833X4o2005505; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 20:33:04 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i833Wq7R005451; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 20:32:52 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 20:32:52 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Keith Nagel" To: Subject: RE: Seti? Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 00:01:23 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <001901c49149$7b7323c0$8837fea9@pacbell.net> Importance: Normal X-Rcpt-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55821 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Jones: You write: "and does that upcoming stage setting have any "connections" to what is going on presently in NYC?" Well, here's what's happening at the moment. Inside the MSG, Mr. Bush + Mr. Cheney are bathing in balloons and a special confetti with pictures of themselves being shot from remote controlled cannon. Outside the MSG, ~3000 people are charging up 8th Ave, and the police are readying this device. http://nyc.indymedia.org/usermedia/image/13/large/nype_lrad.jpg This is a sonic beam type weapon. Cop's in riot gear are now penning people and threatening mass arrest. A pink beam of love from your orbiting alien satellite would be appreciated; if you have any special insight or influence now's the time. K. From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Sep 3 06:57:09 2004 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i83DuoLg001025; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 06:56:50 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i83DubPH000955; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 06:56:37 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 06:56:37 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20040903095532.025a9918@mail.lenr-canr.org> X-Sender: log733sup@lenr-canr.org@mail.lenr-canr.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 09:56:35 -0400 To: vortex-L@eskimo.com From: Jed Rothwell Subject: Pebble bed reactors in China Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55822 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a good article: http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.09/china.html This research is at Tsinghua U., where ICCF-9 was held. - Jed From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Sep 3 07:27:59 2004 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i83ERdLg009677; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 07:27:39 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i83ERbkd009660; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 07:27:37 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 07:27:37 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <002f01c491c1$16a76000$8837fea9@pacbell.net> From: "Jones Beene" To: "vortex" Subject: Electronium and LENR transmutation Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 07:19:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01C49186.696E54A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55823 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C49186.696E54A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The anecdotal evidence for a previously unknown low energy type of = nuclear fusion which can occur in biological life precedes the CF = announcement by many years. Has cellular life evolved this surprising = ability to use LENR for its own purposes over billions of years? In 1964, even before Kervan became notorious for his contentions, Oshava = and Torii 'proved' in an experiment that "cold fusion" of Na to K is = possible.=20 O&T reportedly took 2.3 mg of Na, put it in a vacuum tube, 20 of cm long = and 2 cm in diameter, and sealed it. They ran electrical discharges of = 60 watts through it for 30 minutes. After stopping the discharges, they = inserted Oxygen in the sealed tube with the electrically treated Na. A = second later Na transmuted to K, according to the exothermal* equation: = 11Na23 + Electrical Excitation + 8O16 =3D 19K39 + Energy=20 This sounds like just the kind of experiment for Nick Reiter and = Associates, no? At any rate, this experiment is said to prove that if Na is first = treated electrically, apparently its nucleus gets into an excited state, = and secondly, when exposed to Oxygen while still excited, fuses with it = and transmutes to Potassium.=20 Or so it is stated along with much more surprises, on this website: http://www.papimi.gr/eqoflif.htm How could this be possible (assuming it is possible, which is far from = certain) ? Well, for starters consider the possibility of a new class of lepton, = essentially a heavy electron or at least a stable = bound-triplicate-lepton which is being called ELECTRONIUM. This charged = particle has two electrons bound with one positron into a stable = particle. Like proton and neutron formation, it was formed in the big = bang (or its alternatives), and some of the original mass/energy of the = predecessor particles will have been converted into binding energy, so = the particle is less than three times more massive but with the same = charge. Consider electronium as a heavy electron, but just light enough = to have escaped detection heretofore. These particles could have been created massively in cosmic events and = continuously in our sun whenever 1.02 Mev photons create = positron-electron pairs and they combine with an electron under enormous = pressure. The so-called electron in the primary solar pep reaction:=20 P-e-P ----> D + neutrino=20 will most likely be electronium, and not a light electron in the stellar = environment. This gives a clue as to how electronium can catalyze other = nuclear reactions. It also indicates that life on Earth may depend on = this heretofore unknown particle.... In its lowest surmised proton orbit (244.8 eV) the orbital radius of the = heavy electron has been reduced to 2.938e-12 meters and its Velocity = increased 6.558e6 meters/sec - 3(c*alpha). At this close orbit, the = probability of catalyzing fusion with another nucleus has been increased = by many orders of magnitude. It is suspected that most electronium which gets to the surface of earth = arrive in oxygen molecules, having been captured in ozone initially in = the upper atmosphere. It will stay there in the oxygen electron cloud = until O2 combines with another element which can *steal* the heavy = electron.=20 In the process, it is just possible that a number of verities of LENR = will be possible. ... or so it seems today (having just stumbled on this idea) ... Jones ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C49186.696E54A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The anecdotal evidence for a previously unknown low energy = type of=20 nuclear fusion which can occur in biological life precedes the CF = announcement=20 by many years. Has cellular life evolved this surprising ability to use = LENR for=20 its own purposes over billions of years?

In 1964, even before Kervan became notorious for his contentions, = Oshava=20 and Torii 'proved' in an experiment that "cold fusion" of Na = to K is=20 possible.

O&T reportedly took 2.3 mg of Na, put it in a vacuum tube, 20 = of cm=20 long and 2 cm in diameter, and sealed it. They ran electrical discharges = of 60=20 watts through it for 30 minutes. After stopping the discharges, they = inserted=20 Oxygen in the sealed tube with the electrically treated Na. A second = later Na=20 transmuted to K, according to the exothermal* equation:

11Na23 + Electrical Excitation + 8O16 =3D 19K39 + Energy

This sounds like just the kind of experiment for Nick Reiter and=20 Associates, no?

At any rate, this experiment is said to prove that if Na is first = treated=20 electrically, apparently its nucleus gets into an excited state, and = secondly,=20 when exposed to Oxygen while still excited, fuses with it and transmutes = to=20 Potassium.

Or so it is stated along with much more surprises, on this = website:

http://www.papimi.gr/eqoflif.ht= m

How could this be possible (assuming it is possible, which is far = from=20 certain) ?

Well, for starters consider the possibility of a new class of = lepton,=20 essentially a heavy electron or at least a stable=20 bound-triplicate-lepton which is being called ELECTRONIUM. = This=20 charged particle has two electrons bound with one positron into a stable = particle. Like proton and neutron formation, it was formed in the = big bang=20 (or its alternatives), and some of the original mass/energy of the = predecessor=20 particles will have been converted into binding energy, so the = particle is=20 less than three times more massive but with the same charge. Consider=20 electronium as a heavy electron, but just light enough to have escaped = detection=20 heretofore.

These particles could have been created massively in cosmic events = and=20 continuously in our sun whenever 1.02 Mev photons create = positron-electron pairs=20 and they combine with an electron under enormous pressure. The so-called = electron in the primary solar pep reaction:=20
&nb= sp;=20 P-e-P ----> D + neutrino
will most likely be electronium, and not = a=20 light electron in the stellar environment. This gives a clue = as to how=20 electronium can catalyze other nuclear reactions. It also indicates = that=20 life on Earth may depend on this heretofore = unknown particle....

In its lowest surmised proton orbit (244.8 eV) the orbital = radius of=20 the heavy electron has been reduced to 2.938e-12 meters and its Velocity = increased 6.558e6 meters/sec - 3(c*alpha). At this close orbit, the = probability of catalyzing fusion with another nucleus has been increased = by many=20 orders of magnitude.

It is suspected that most electronium which gets to the surface of=20 earth arrive in oxygen molecules, having been captured = in ozone=20 initially in the upper atmosphere. It will stay there in the oxygen = electron=20 cloud until O2 combines with another element which can *steal* the heavy = electron.

In the process, it is just possible that a number of verities of = LENR will=20 be possible.

... or so it seems today (having just stumbled on this idea) = ...

Jones

------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C49186.696E54A0-- From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Sep 3 07:37:54 2004 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i83Ebno2005676; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 07:37:49 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i83EbdeU005620; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 07:37:39 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 07:37:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <413881AB.1020003@rtpatlanta.com> Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:37:31 -0400 From: "Terry Blanton" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Recent Paper on the Allais Effect Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55824 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Requires Acrobat Reader http://arxiv.org/ftp/gr-qc/papers/0408/0408023.pdf From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Sep 3 07:47:14 2004 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i83EkoLg015043; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 07:46:50 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i83Ekmam015020; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 07:46:48 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 07:46:48 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20040903100126.025c5218@mail.lenr-canr.org> X-Sender: log733sup@lenr-canr.org@mail.lenr-canr.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:46:43 -0400 To: vortex-L@eskimo.com From: Jed Rothwell Subject: Potential unemployment from cold fusion Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55825 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: For a long time, I have been worried that cold fusion or ZPE might hurt the economy by causing unemployment. I recently looked up employment statistics to try to get estimate what effects CF might have. The problem is not as bad as I thought. Energy sector employment has been shrinking for years, but I did not realize how small it has become. See: ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/suppl/empsit.ceseeb3.txt The first jobs to be affected by cold fusion will be in the fossil fuel industry, particularly oil, which is the most expensive fossil fuel measured per joule,and it is the fuel that the US most important the most of. I expect the transition away from oil will take 5 to 10 years, starting the day the first cold fusion vehicle is sold. Later, electric power companies will gradually be pushed into bankruptcy. Jobs related to fossil fuels appear to fall in these categories: Oil and gas extraction, 132 thousand workers (July 2004 column) Coal mining, 75 Support activities for mining (roughly 30% for coal), 185 * .3 = 56 Petroleum and coal products, 113. Many of these, such as plastic feedstocks, will not be affected by the cutover to CF. 18% of oil production goes to non-energy products, and these products are more labor intensive than gasoline. Gasoline stations, 868. This is 75% of energy sector workers. These are dead-end, low pay jobs. Night shift gasoline station attendants have the most dangerous job in the US. The only well-paid people are the gas station owner and the mechanics. Mechanics will not lose their jobs with cold fusion. Gas stations make most of their profits from inside sales of food, beverages and sundries. Some will remain in business to serve these needs. Gas stations on major highways are usually built next to fast food restaurants. They will go out of business, because the fast food restaurants can serve travelers' needs. The total is 1.2 million workers. To put this in perspective, 2.8 million people work in food and beverage stores, where pay and job benefits are usually better than gas stations. Since people will buy roughly the same amount of food, beverages and sundries, with or without CF, we will need roughly the same number of cash register clerks selling these things. The gas station clerk who moves to a regular grocery store will have a better job. Bear in mind that when people stop paying $20 per week for gasoline, they will probably spend the money on something else. They may buy more expensive cuts of meat at the grocery store, which will benefit those 2.8 million people at the grocery stores, the 1.5 million in the "Food manufacturing" sector and the farmers. Or they may spend more on movies, which will benefit the 378 thousand people who work in "Motion picture and sound recording industries." The money we no longer spend on oil will not vanish down a black hole. Most of the people who will be adversely affected by the collapse of oil will be wealthy stockholders and oil sheiks. I could not care less what happens to them. Still, the loss of 1.2 million jobs over 10 years is a very serious problem. That is almost one percent of all US jobs. But the U.S. economy would not be seriously hurt by the loss, unless the politicians and business leaders panicked or botched the transition. I think other near-term problems with employment are even more serious, such as outsourcing to other nations. Or, consider health care. It is far too expensive, and costs are spiraling out of control. When I visit a hospital, the reason seems obvious to me. These places have far too many employees, and their work habits are incredibly efficient. The nurses have to walk many miles per day extra because they do not carry around essential items in a cart. Most of the clerical staff does work by hand that should have been automated decades ago. Mountains of paperwork or generated, and often lost. During an admissions procedure, I was asked the same extensive set of questions three times by three different clerks, who wrote the answers down and *then* typed them into a computer! Apparently, the information was again entered by hand by someone at the insurance office. Experts have estimated that ~30% of the money spent on health care is wasted on paperwork and redundant tests, often because the test results has been lost in the system. 14 million people are employed in health care, and in my opinion approximately 4 million of them are redundant and should be fired within the next few years, if we are serious about reducing healthcare costs. In short, effective reform will cause three times more unemployment than cold fusion would, at least in the near term. Also, unlike healthcare reform, cold fusion will also create jobs. Ed Storms is worried about instability and the possibility of violence. He wrote to me: "When the financial system becomes unstable, wars result." My response: We are already at war with Saudi Arabia, and with most of the other Middle East Arab countries. A Saudi government public opinion survey showed that 95 percent of the men under age 40 consider bin Laden a national hero. The majority of people in the Middle East approve of the 9/11 attacks and the terror war against the U.S. The only way we can win against them is to bankrupt them, cut off all connections, withdraw all U.S. troops from the area, and let them stew in their own juices. The sooner we do that, the better it will be for us and for them. I sincerely believe that if Mideast oil stocks were to magically disappear overnight, ten years later the people of the Middle East would be much happier, and so would the rest of us. I think it would be much easier for us to adjust than most people realize. Look at the way people adjusted to WWII rationing, and the way people in California reacted to the fake, Enron-engineered 2000 - 2001 energy crisis. All the talk about not keeping up with demand vanished overnight. California now has a glut of generation capacity. Once people & corporations conserve and replace inefficient machines and lighting, they never need the extra power again, because Americans already have enough lights and refrigerators. Our per-capita energy consumption has not increased since the early 1970s, and if it were not for SUVs, it would be falling rapidly. - Jed From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Sep 3 08:09:59 2004 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i83F9bLg023730; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:09:37 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i83F9YbM023703; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:09:34 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:09:34 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20040903105054.025c4fd0@mail.lenr-canr.org> X-Sender: log733sup@lenr-canr.org@mail.lenr-canr.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 11:09:32 -0400 To: vortex-L@eskimo.com From: Jed Rothwell Subject: Re: Potential unemployment from cold fusion Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <5L5lMC.A.TyF.ukIOBB@ultra6.eskimo.com> Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55826 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I wrote: ". . . oil, which is the most expensive fossil fuel measured per joule, and it is the fuel that the US most important the most of." That is supposed to say: "it is the fuel the US must import the most of." Thank you, voice input. The US used to use oil for many purposes such as generating electricity and residential heating, but in the last 30 years these other applications have been largely discontinued, and oil is used for transportation and chemical feedstocks only. See p. 148 and 149: http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/aer/pdf/03842002.pdf Per capita consumption is shown on page xvii. - Jed From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Sep 3 13:42:07 2004 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i83KflLg012760; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:41:47 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i83KfjQR012751; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:41:45 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:41:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <000b01c491f5$59d0fce0$8837fea9@pacbell.net> From: "Jones Beene" To: "vortex" Subject: Fermi Condensate Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:34:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C491BA.ACDC9BA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: <-0CQMD.A.LHD.JcNOBB@ultra6.eskimo.com> Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55827 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C491BA.ACDC9BA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >From the "yet another reason the experts are wrong" department: This months Sci. Am. special edition (focus on Einstein) has a story on = the woman, Deborah Jin, who has apparently found that the Pauli = exclusion principle is just a generalization (like the second law of = thermodynamics) and has gotten a condensate to form out of Fermions. ... it's just a matter of time before everyone with any sense will be = jumping on the LENR bandwagon. Jones ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C491BA.ACDC9BA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

From the "yet another reason the experts are wrong" = department:

This months Sci. Am. special edition (focus on Einstein) has a = story on the=20 woman, Deborah Jin, who has apparently found that the Pauli exclusion = principle=20 is just a generalization (like the second law of thermodynamics) and has = gotten=20 a condensate to form out of Fermions.

... it's just a matter of time before everyone with any sense will = be=20 jumping on the LENR bandwagon.

Jones

------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C491BA.ACDC9BA0-- From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Sep 3 13:51:59 2004 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i83KpeLg015354; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:51:40 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i83KpdHl015336; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:51:39 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:51:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <410-22004953205250660@ix.netcom.com> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: aki@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Akira Kawasaki" To: "vortex-l" Subject: FW: WHAT'S NEW Friday, September 03, 2004 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:52:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: c4cc7f5f697e8746f66dc3a06d5924d8c7ccbfd2978b852041af294fb3ecd373773bb16c9ad91485350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.232.12.66 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55828 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > [Original Message] > From: What's New > To: Akira Kawasaki Date: 9/3/2004 12:59:33 PM Subject: WHAT'S NEW Friday, September 03, 2004 WHAT'S NEW Robert L. Park Friday, 3 Sep 04 Washington, DC 1. PLANETS: "... A NEW PLANET SWIMS INTO HIS KEN," JOHN KEATS. Three planets swam into our ken this week, orbiting other stars. The news is that they are much smaller than previously discovered Jupiter-sized giants which are unlikely to harbor life. The most compelling quest in science is to find life to which we are not related. Our best hope had always been our neighbor Mars, but we were disappointed in 1976 when Viking 2 gave us a close-up look at the barren surface of Mars. Ironically, Viking had landed in the region called "the Utopian Plain." The search for life continues on Mars, then on to Jupiter's ocean-moons. Soon perhaps, the search can expand beyond the solar system. 2. NUCLEAR PROLIFERATION: TREATIES ARE VIOLATED WITH IMPUNITY. Iran acknowledges that tons of raw uranium are being processed into uranium hexafluoride gas, which will then be centrifuged to produce enriched uranium. Only low-enriched uranium for use in electric power generation is sought, Iran claims. Uh huh, like this country that floats on an ocean of oil needs nuclear power. North Korea has been openly flaunting its nuclear weapons program http://www.aps.org/WN/WN04/wn011604.cfm and now South Korea, has admitted to the International Atomic Energy Agency that highly enriched uranium has been produced, but said it was done by rogue scientists without the government's knowledge. Sure. Meanwhile, the United States used the preemptive-strike justification to invade the only rogue country that wasn't close to making a bomb. The U.S. may now be spread too thin to be taken seriously. 3. DIETARY GUIDELINES: FOOD PYRAMID IS REFINED - REFINED SUGAR. At a time when diabetes and obesity are growing health problems, new guidelines http://www.aps.org/WN/WN04/wn081304.cfm replace, "Avoid too much sugar," with "Choose carbohydrates wisely." Although public health advocates expressed satisfaction with the report, the New York Times thinks the report was deliberately obscure when it came to sugar. According to the Times, the food, drug and supplement industries have strong ties to a number of the panelists and probably influenced the outcome. Comments on the recommendations of the Dietary Guidelines Advisory Committee will be accepted until September 27, 2004. Even as the revised guidelines were made public, separate studies showed appalling increases in obesity and diabetes linked to consumption of sugar-sweetened sodas. Soft drinks contain high-fructose corn syrup, which raises blood sugar, drastically increasing insulin and putting stress on insulin- producing cells of the pancreas. THE UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND. Opinions are the author's and not necessarily shared by the University of Maryland, but they should be. --- Archives of What's New can be found at http://www.aps.org/WN To subscribe, send a blank e-mail to: From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Sep 4 01:56:17 2004 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i848uAIW010686; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 01:56:14 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i848tliV010617; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 01:55:47 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 01:55:47 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <410-2200496475512130@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: fjsparber@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.42.0 (Windows) From: "Frederick Sparber" To: "vortex-l" Subject: Re: Having it Both Ways Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 02:55:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 0b1c9d71006e06a171639b933de7ae6f7e972de0d01da9404ab434b72bf7c68734804ccfc00d47bb350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.240.78.73 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55829 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII If the Stable Triplet Group, e- + (e+) + e- forms the lepton composite "Electronium" at a high probability, sans annihilation radiation, both LENR-CANR and Over-Unity heat effects can be readily explained. The Russian paper posted by Sandia Labs gives a best guess on the cross sections: http://www.sandia.gov/ASCI/russia/pdf_files/gryaznykh1998.pdf http://besch2.physik.uni-siegen.de/~depac/DePAC/DePAC_tutorial_database/grupen_istanbul/node20.html#F:cgru:pairprod However, gamma photons of 2.0 Mev or more are required, indicating that the D + D --> He4 + 24 Mev reaction would be their source. Frederick ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII

If the Stable Triplet Group, e- + (e+) + e- forms the lepton composite "Electronium" at a high probability, sans annihilation radiation, both LENR-CANR and Over-Unity heat effects can be readily explained.

The Russian paper posted by Sandia Labs gives a best guess on the cross sections:

http://www.sandia.gov/ASCI/russia/pdf_files/gryaznykh1998.pdf

http://besch2.physik.uni-siegen.de/~depac/DePAC/DePAC_tutorial_database/grupen_istanbul/node20.html#F:cgru:pairprod

However, gamma photons of 2.0 Mev or more are required,

indicating that the D + D --> He4 + 24 Mev reaction would be their source.

Frederick

------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Sep 4 02:18:56 2004 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i849InIW013989; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 02:18:49 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i849ImkH013973; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 02:18:48 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 02:18:48 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <410-2200496481821310@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: fjsparber@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.42.0 (Windows) From: "Frederick Sparber" To: "vortex-l" Subject: Re: Common sense Sparks are flying!!! Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 03:18:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 0b1c9d71006e06a171639b933de7ae6f7e972de0d01da9400fe5f2422a37f221995a1c5d1bc4fa1d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.240.78.73 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55830 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Check the vortex archives Thu, 9 Sept 1999 19:08:36 on this thread for an exchange between yours truly and Mitchell Swartz. "What goes around comes around", don't it? Frederick ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII

Check the vortex archives Thu, 9 Sept 1999 19:08:36 on this thread for an

exchange between yours truly and Mitchell Swartz.

"What goes around comes around", don't it?

Frederick

------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Sep 4 02:50:04 2004 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i849nlAk031125; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 02:49:47 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i849nj3P031116; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 02:49:45 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 02:49:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <410-2200496484918340@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: fjsparber@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.42.0 (Windows) From: "Frederick Sparber" To: "vortex-l" Subject: Re: Common sense Sparks are flying Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 03:49:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 0b1c9d71006e06a171639b933de7ae6f7e972de0d01da940bacd931fb517788cd5a5865748159b13350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.240.78.73 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55831 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII That " triplet of" exclamation marks should trigger your spam-blocker. I"m leaving them off. Re: Common sense Sparks are flying!!! http://www.escribe.com/science/vortex/m6992.html A search for "Triplet" opened a whole can of worms. Deja vu all over again? Scott Little, Mitchell Swartz & ZPE, Charge Clusters etc. Frederick Frederick ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII

That " triplet of" exclamation marks should trigger your spam-blocker. I"m leaving them off.

Re: Common sense Sparks are flying!!!

http://www.escribe.com/science/vortex/m6992.html

A search for "Triplet" opened a whole can of worms. Deja vu all over again?

Scott Little, Mitchell Swartz & ZPE, Charge Clusters etc.

Frederick

------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Sep 4 03:47:40 2004 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i84AlYIW029417; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 03:47:35 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i84AlXkb029400; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 03:47:33 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 03:47:33 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <410-220049649474410@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: fjsparber@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.42.0 (Windows) From: "Frederick Sparber" To: "vortex-l" Subject: Re: Water Jet Impact Over-Unity? Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 04:47:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 0b1c9d71006e06a171639b933de7ae6f7e972de0d01da940539fb1dafde54f5198be1626bb970013350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.240.75.26 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55832 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII H2O or D2O impacting on a diamond flat? http://www.flowcorp.com/newsite/Faqs/2_types_of_jets.htm "But how is the pump’s water pressure converted to this other form of energy, water velocity? The answer lies in a tiny jewel. A jewel is affixed to the end of the plumbing tubing. The jewel has a tiny hole in it. The pressurized water passes through this tiny opening changing the pressure to velocity. At approximately 40,000 psi the resulting stream that passes out of the orifice is traveling at Mach 2. And at 60,000 psi the speed is over Mach 3." "Question: How hot is the water in a Mach 3 waterjet stream? Answer: The water is warmed as it is accelerated to high speed. Frictional forces and other factors warm the stream as it exits the orifice. I Inlet water temperature provides the starting point. Water temperature is then raised 2 to 3 degrees for each 1,000 psi. The quick answer is the Mach 3 jet is approximately 170 to 180 degrees F." Frederick ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII

H2O or D2O impacting on a diamond flat?

http://www.flowcorp.com/newsite/Faqs/2_types_of_jets.htm

"But how is the pump’s water pressure converted to this other form of energy, water velocity? The answer lies in a tiny jewel. A jewel is affixed to the end of the plumbing tubing. The jewel has a tiny hole in it. The pressurized water passes through this tiny opening changing the pressure to velocity. At approximately 40,000 psi the resulting stream that passes out of the orifice is traveling at Mach 2. And at 60,000 psi the speed is over Mach 3."

"Question: How hot is the water in a Mach 3 waterjet stream?

Answer: The water is warmed as it is accelerated to high speed. Frictional forces and other factors warm the stream as it exits the orifice. I Inlet water temperature provides the starting point. Water temperature is then raised 2 to 3 degrees for each 1,000 psi. The quick answer is the Mach 3 jet is approximately 170 to 180 degrees F."

Frederick

------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Sep 4 08:17:26 2004 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i84FH6Ak022080; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 08:17:06 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i84FH404022034; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 08:17:04 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 08:17:04 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <4139DD0C.5000307@rtpatlanta.com> Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 11:19:40 -0400 From: Terry Blanton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex-l Subject: Re: Common sense Sparks are flying Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010405000806050102080405" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55833 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010405000806050102080405 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Frederick Sparber wrote: > > That " triplet of" exclamation marks should trigger your spam-blocker. > I"m leaving them off. > > Re: Common sense Sparks are flying!!! > > http://www.escribe.com/science/vortex/m6992.html I went back to read the entire thread and found a reference to Toups Technology Licensing which is now Earth First Technology http://earthfirsttech.com/about.shtml whose business is . . . well . . . something near and dear to Frederick's heart. --------------010405000806050102080405 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Frederick Sparber wrote:

That " triplet of" exclamation marks should trigger your spam-blocker. I"m leaving them off.

Re: Common sense Sparks are flying!!!

http://www.escribe.com/science/vortex/m6992.html

I went back to read the entire thread and found a reference to Toups Technology Licensing which is now Earth First Technology

http://earthfirsttech.com/about.shtml

whose business is . . . well . . . something near and dear to Frederick's heart.
--------------010405000806050102080405-- From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Sep 4 08:49:45 2004 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i84FnOAk030374; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 08:49:24 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i84FnMgn030357; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 08:49:22 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 08:49:22 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-Titankey-e_id: <2c55607c-d096-4ecc-9e1c-4795e31c2b6b> Message-ID: <000f01c49296$b659e1b0$3f7bccd1@MIKEBY3NR533HT> From: "Mike Carrell" To: References: <4139DD0C.5000307@rtpatlanta.com> Subject: Re: Common sense Sparks are flying Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 11:48:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55834 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Terry wrote: >I went back to read the entire thread and found a reference to Toups Technology >Licensing which is now Earth First Technology That thread goes still further back to claims for underwater plasmas producing a more efficient fuel with near-OU claims. That involved further complications which are in the past. When the frills are stripped away, what is promoted is underwater arcs to convert hydrocarbon sludge of various types into a H-CO mix sold for welding and cutting torches as "NextGas", for which virtuous claims are made. The CO content makes "NextGas" toxic. Mike Carrell From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Sep 4 09:22:23 2004 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i84GM7Ak007840; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 09:22:07 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i84GM5Rh007813; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 09:22:05 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 09:22:05 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <003401c4929a$3cf19260$8837fea9@pacbell.net> From: "Jones Beene" To: "vortex" Subject: Re: Electronium and LENR transmutation Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 09:14:21 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: <7lcBlC.A.A6B.sueOBB@ultra6.eskimo.com> Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55835 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Yesterday I posted an (unconvincing ?) speculation which might explain the biological transmutation seen by Kervan and others. Even my partner-in-crime in this electronium thing - Fred Sparber, has balked at that one. One can hardly blame him. He notes that the nuclear reaction involves overcoming the repulsive coulomb Force barrier between Oxygen and Sodium to get Potassium : 8O-16 + 11Na-23 -----> 19K-39 F = Z1*Z2 * kq^2/R^2 = 8 *11*2.304e-28/1.0e-28 = 202.75 newtons is way too high to even consider that electronium would help as an intermediary or shielding-catalyst - even if this previously unknown particle - the heavy lepton triplicate we are calling electronium existed; which, it goes without saying is itself an additional far-out probability... but hey, this is vortex, so let's not throw in the towel until all the possibilities have been wrung-out. Let me play devil's advocate in a bit more detail this time. After all, this amount of repulsive force is tiny in comparison to that seen in Shoulders 10^10 electron EVOs, which I believe to be real. But the main thing is that the anecdotal evidence of excess potassium "coming from nowhere" won't go away, and I hope that it can be reconfirmed soon with the most modern instruments. I understand that attempts are being considered in a major lab, so who knows? It has been 40 years since Oshavwa and Torii in Japan supposedly 'proved' in an experiment that "cold fusion" of Na to K is possible, but I suspect that the improbability in the mathmeatics of this one, which far exceed those of deuterium cold fusion, are so daunting that no one thought it was true - then or now, despite the experiment. And no one wanted to become a laughing-strok by trying to replicate it... so it lingers as this Homeric siren lure: 11Na23 + Electrical Excitation + 8O16 = 19K39 At any rate, this experiment is said by the authors to prove that if Na is first treated electrically, apparently its nucleus gets into an excited state so that the strong force is spread out to encompass a much larger area (my interpretation), and secondly, when exposed to Oxygen while still excited, fuses with it after somehow overcoming mutual repulsion - and transmutes to Potassium. As improbable as that is, I would sugest an alternative explanation involving the triplicate lepton - electonium, alluded to in other posts. Rather than forcing the nucleus into an excited state which the electrical stimulation could scarely do anyway, this imposed charge serves only to push all the electronium into the closest possible "orbital" which has an ionization energy of about 244.8 eV where the radius of the heavy electron has been reduced to about e-12 meters, giving the inner orbital a sphere-smear which is about 3000 times smaller than that of a hydrogen atom (for comparison). Somehow... the extent of the strong force is expanded out nearer to this radius. The strong force has a normal range of about e-15 meters BUT dont forget that it is normally 137 times greater in magnitude than electrostatic repulsion, so it doesn't have to go all the way out to the close electronium orbital. At this close range, the probability of catalyzing fusion with another nucleus would have been increased by many orders of magnitude, and we can let QM tunneling take over from there, but is this a pure invention? In truth, even I am far from convinced that the rationalization is not much closer to science fiction. But the same was said of Jules Verne's wild guesses in his day - so let me just end this by saying that on the off-chance that this biological evidence : Kervan's "potassium from nowhere" continues to persist with stronger experimentation, the idea above is one plausible way to account for it... and, in the history of science, more improbable things have proven true. ....but not many... Jones From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Sep 4 10:25:03 2004 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i84HOjAk025246; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 10:24:45 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i84HOhns025227; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 10:24:43 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 10:24:43 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <410-22004964151049200@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: fjsparber@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.42.0 (Windows) From: "Frederick Sparber" To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Common sense Sparks are flying Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 10:10:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 0b1c9d71006e06a171639b933de7ae6f7e972de0d01da9403d7ebeaab25ef41ea3b947739d44cab5350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.240.159.220 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55836 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Mike: The CO produced in the underwater process can react in the water to shift to hydrogen at liquid water temperatures. The Shift Reaction: CO + H2O ----> CO2 + H2 (slightly exothermic) This likes to go at lower temperature when a water-soluble "shift catalyst" such as K2CO3 or NH4CO3 is used in the process. Also there is some CH4 produced. Thanks Terry. :-) Regards Frederick > [Original Message] > From: Mike Carrell > To: > Date: 9/4/04 10:49:25 AM > Subject: Re: Common sense Sparks are flying > > Terry wrote: > > > > >I went back to read the entire thread and found a reference to Toups > Technology >Licensing which is now Earth First Technology > > That thread goes still further back to claims for underwater plasmas > producing a more efficient fuel with near-OU claims. That involved further > complications which are in the past. When the frills are stripped away, what > is promoted is underwater arcs to convert hydrocarbon sludge of various > types into a H-CO mix sold for welding and cutting torches as "NextGas", for > which virtuous claims are made. The CO content makes "NextGas" toxic. > > Mike Carrell > > From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Sep 4 10:42:27 2004 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i84HgKIW008955; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 10:42:21 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i84HgIaa008938; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 10:42:18 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 10:42:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <410-22004964164151480@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: fjsparber@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.42.0 (Windows) From: "Frederick Sparber" To: "vortex-l" Subject: Re: Common sense Sparks are flying Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 11:41:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 0b1c9d71006e06a171639b933de7ae6f7e972de0d01da940d5578dff353e20777fc9a1b3a04215c2350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.240.165.122 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55837 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Terry Blanton wrote: > > I went back to read the entire thread and found a reference to Toups Technology Licensing which is now Earth First Technology > > http://www.escribe.com/science/vortex/m6992.html > > > http://earthfirsttech.com/about.shtml > My experience with a 500 amp DC submerged arc , is that going by the sound it makes (you can safely watch the light from the arc since it is filtered by the water) it seems to "buzz" as though it is flipping back and forth between an arc and spark mode. This indicates that sonoluminescence, Griggs, Huffman, and Potapov's water agitation over-unity effects as well as effects similar to LENR-CANR Electrolysis effects occur, further supporting Gene Mallove's contention that O-U is/was occurring. Frederick ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII

Terry Blanton wrote:
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> I went back to read the entire thread and found a reference to Toups Technology Licensing which is now Earth First Technology

> http://www.escribe.com/science/vortex/m6992.html
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> http://earthfirsttech.com/about.shtml

My experience with a 500 amp DC submerged arc , is that going by the sound it makes (you can safely

watch the light from the arc since it is filtered by the water) it seems to "buzz" as though it is flipping back and forth between an arc and spark mode.

This indicates that sonoluminescence, Griggs, Huffman, and Potapov's water agitation over-unity effects

as well as effects similar to LENR-CANR Electrolysis effects occur, further supporting Gene Mallove's contention

that O-U is/was occurring.

Frederick

------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Sep 5 07:54:36 2004 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i85EsDAk006323; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 07:54:13 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i85Es1rL006258; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 07:54:01 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 07:54:01 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <20040905145354.63454.qmail@web81103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 07:53:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Jones Beene Subject: Fusion and proton/neutron ratio To: vortex-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55838 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Don't want to be-LABOR a certain issue, but... One final thought on "impossible" nuclear fusion of higher Z elements, electrostatic repulsion, strong force attraction and the Kervan findings of biological transmutations. BTW these findings are not suspect - the deeper one looks, the findings appear to be solid. After all these years, there are few counter-claims to the evidence of Kervan and other; and their main contention that in cellular live, potassium seems to "appear from nowhere" in many different ways and the most likely source can be traced back to sodium... or maybe calcium, but most likely sodium (unless one wishes to invoke magic or divine intervention). It is "common knowledge" that fusion in heavier elements can not take place because of electrostatic repulsion, but is that really completely accurate? Could it be that a secondary (maybe primary) reason is related to the issue of proton/neutron ratio, which is much more demanding to achieve in one step, the higher up one goes in atomic weights. There are some reasons to suspect that EM interactions, at that the angstrom scale, are much less a consideration than is currently imagined by the mainstream. The only two common ways in which Coulomb repulsion can be overcome is by the strong force, which is 137 times stronger but operates only at close range - and by relativistic effects - such as letting self-generated magnetic attraction work against charge repulsion. Both of these may be based on spin. I would also mention here for consideration a "hierarchical aether" based on the work of F. Grimer - and in particular an aether layer which he may have only recently been trying to insert into his scheme. That being an aether on a sub-Casimir but supra-nuclear scale - IOW the e-10 to e-14 scale. It would likely be felt as a lattice-like pressure. Think about trying to bring strong magnets together at like poles. With NIB magnets it is difficult unless one inserts a thin metal foil - which seems to negate the opposing forces. In the nucleus the neutron serves the same purpose. One just cannot fuse together larger nuclei unless there are enough neutron available in the two preceding atoms *from the start.* Forget Coulomb - this ratio could dominate everything else. So this final thought, and admittedly it comes with way too much spontaneity. You can look at potassium vis-a- vis the other elements all day long and not come up with a better fit than oxygen and sodium from the perspective of biological ubiquity and more importantly, in needing no change in proton/neutron ration in the resultant nucleus... as well as the reaction being rather close to energy-neutral. There are resons to suspect that it is definitely energy-neutral when you consider all the variables. Perhaps that is the real reason that, after billions of years of evolution, cells can transmute elements at the nuclear level, when needed, but yet we still have to eat! Speaking of which, an omelet is sounding mighty-fine now... with plenty of salt of course, so that I don't have any problems with a potassium deficiency. Jones From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Sep 5 14:55:42 2004 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i85LtJAk015321; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 14:55:23 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i85LtG1A015312; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 14:55:16 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 14:55:16 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <000701c49393$03689e40$8a027841@xptower> From: "RC Macaulay" To: References: <20040905145354.63454.qmail@web81103.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Fusion and proton/neutron ratio Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 16:55:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64-cvtv_w9f4wgtp (2004-01-11) on mailadmin X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=4.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.64-cvtv_w9f4wgtp Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55839 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Our research studies of the vortex for liquids disinfection and separation has been focused on bio-chem. You have "triggered" our thought toward electro-bio-chem with your insightful " be-laboring". One never knows whose eyes are opened by vortexians. Thanks Jones ---- Original Message ----- From: "Jones Beene" To: Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 9:53 AM Subject: Fusion and proton/neutron ratio > Don't want to be-LABOR a certain issue, but... > > One final thought on "impossible" nuclear fusion of > higher Z elements, electrostatic repulsion, strong > force attraction and the Kervan findings of biological > transmutations. BTW these findings are not suspect - > the deeper one looks, the findings appear to be solid. > After all these years, there are few counter-claims to > the evidence of Kervan and other; and their main > contention that in cellular live, potassium seems to > "appear from nowhere" in many different ways and the > most likely source can be traced back to sodium... or > maybe calcium, but most likely sodium (unless one > wishes to invoke magic or divine intervention). > > It is "common knowledge" that fusion in heavier > elements can not take place because of electrostatic > repulsion, but is that really completely accurate? > Could it be that a secondary (maybe primary) reason is > related to the issue of proton/neutron ratio, which is > much more demanding to achieve in one step, the higher > up one goes in atomic weights. There are some reasons > to suspect that EM interactions, at that the angstrom > scale, are much less a consideration than is currently > imagined by the mainstream. > > The only two common ways in which Coulomb repulsion > can be overcome is by the strong force, which is 137 > times stronger but operates only at close range - and > by relativistic effects - such as letting > self-generated magnetic attraction work against charge > repulsion. Both of these may be based on spin. I would > also mention here for consideration a "hierarchical > aether" based on the work of F. Grimer - and in > particular an aether layer which he may have only > recently been trying to insert into his scheme. That > being an aether on a sub-Casimir but supra-nuclear > scale - IOW the e-10 to e-14 scale. It would likely be > felt as a lattice-like pressure. > > Think about trying to bring strong magnets together at > like poles. With NIB magnets it is difficult unless > one inserts a thin metal foil - which seems to negate > the opposing forces. In the nucleus the neutron serves > the same purpose. One just cannot fuse together larger > nuclei unless there are enough neutron available in > the two preceding atoms *from the start.* Forget > Coulomb - this ratio could dominate everything else. > > So this final thought, and admittedly it comes with > way too much spontaneity. You can look at potassium > vis-a- vis the other elements all day long and not > come up with a better fit than oxygen and sodium from > the perspective of biological ubiquity and more > importantly, in needing no change in proton/neutron > ration in the resultant nucleus... as well as the > reaction being rather close to energy-neutral. There > are resons to suspect that it is definitely > energy-neutral when you consider all the variables. > > Perhaps that is the real reason that, after billions > of years of evolution, cells can transmute elements at > the nuclear level, when needed, but yet we still have > to eat! > > Speaking of which, an omelet is sounding mighty-fine > now... with plenty of salt of course, so that I don't > have any problems with a potassium deficiency. > > Jones > From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Sep 5 19:05:34 2004 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i8625HAk002781; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 19:05:17 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i8625FF2002760; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 19:05:15 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 19:05:15 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f From: Robin van Spaandonk To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Geometry of the Casimir Effect Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 12:05:08 +1000 Organization: Improving Message-ID: <0tgnj0tu9c0fdut7s98jro99qhsr5nclmc@4ax.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 2.0/32.652 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ultra6.eskimo.com id i8625BAk002725 Resent-Message-ID: <3rEJEB.A.Er.aX8OBB@ultra6.eskimo.com> Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55840 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In reply to Keith Nagel's message of Sat, 28 Aug 2004 12:35:14 -0400: Hi Keith, [snip] >Hi Robin. > >Cagles theory seems to fail in the case of static charges? > >For if lambda=h/mv, and v=0, lambda = infinity for a static charge. > >So then, all like static charges would attract by Cagles general case #1. > >Am I misunderstanding something here? > >K. Yes. There aren't really any static charges. What we consider to be a static charge, actually consists of a collection of individual charged particles, each of which is subject to random thermal motion, hence v is not zero. It might be interesting to see what happens when a charged object is cooled to near absolute zero. (If I'm not mistaken, the voltage on a static charged object is partly due to the repulsive forces between the individual charges on the object.) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk All SPAM goes in the trash unread. From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Sep 6 02:03:48 2004 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i8693hIW005530; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 02:03:44 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i86936qm005413; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 02:03:06 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 02:03:06 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.20040906100114.006acef8@pop.freeserve.net> X-Sender: grimer2.freeserve.co.uk@pop.freeserve.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 10:01:14 +0000 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com From: Grimer Subject: Re: Fusion and proton/neutron ratio Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55841 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 07:53 am 05-09-04 -0700, you wrote: >Don't want to be-LABOR a certain issue, but... > >One final thought on "impossible" nuclear fusion of >higher Z elements, electrostatic repulsion, strong >force attraction and the Kervan findings of biological >transmutations. BTW these findings are not suspect - >the deeper one looks, the findings appear to be solid. >After all these years, there are few counter-claims to >the evidence of Kervan and other; and their main >contention that in cellular live, potassium seems to >"appear from nowhere" in many different ways and the >most likely source can be traced back to sodium... or >maybe calcium, but most likely sodium (unless one >wishes to invoke magic or divine intervention). > >It is "common knowledge" that fusion in heavier >elements can not take place because of electrostatic >repulsion, but is that really completely accurate? >Could it be that a secondary (maybe primary) reason is >related to the issue of proton/neutron ratio, which is >much more demanding to achieve in one step, the higher >up one goes in atomic weights. There are some reasons >to suspect that EM interactions, at that the angstrom >scale, are much less a consideration than is currently >imagined by the mainstream. > >The only two common ways in which Coulomb repulsion >can be overcome is by the strong force, which is 137 >times stronger but operates only at close range - and >by relativistic effects - such as letting >self-generated magnetic attraction work against charge >repulsion. Both of these may be based on spin. I would >also mention here for consideration a "hierarchical >aether" based on the work of F. Grimer - and in >particular an aether layer which he may have only >recently been trying to insert into his scheme. That >being an aether on a sub-Casimir but supra-nuclear >scale - IOW the e-10 to e-14 scale. It would likely be >felt as a lattice-like pressure. > >Think about trying to bring strong magnets together at >like poles. With NIB magnets it is difficult unless >one inserts a thin metal foil - which seems to negate >the opposing forces. In the nucleus the neutron serves >the same purpose. One just cannot fuse together larger >nuclei unless there are enough neutron available in >the two preceding atoms *from the start.* Forget >Coulomb - this ratio could dominate everything else. > >So this final thought, and admittedly it comes with >way too much spontaneity. You can look at potassium >vis-a- vis the other elements all day long and not >come up with a better fit than oxygen and sodium from >the perspective of biological ubiquity and more >importantly, in needing no change in proton/neutron >ration in the resultant nucleus... as well as the >reaction being rather close to energy-neutral. There >are resons to suspect that it is definitely >energy-neutral when you consider all the variables. > >Perhaps that is the real reason that, after billions >of years of evolution, cells can transmute elements at >the nuclear level, when needed, but yet we still have >to eat! > >Speaking of which, an omelet is sounding mighty-fine >now... with plenty of salt of course, so that I don't >have any problems with a potassium deficiency. > >Jones A few points. I agree that we don't really understand the nitty gritty of the Coulomb Force. Like gravity, we can only model its global effects. We have no idea how it operated locally. It's nice of you to credit me with the idea of "an aether layer.......on a sub-Casimir but supra-nuclear scale - IOW the e-10 to e-14 scale. It would likely be felt as a lattice-like pressure." - but credit where credit's due, this was your excellent suggestion which I am quite happy to go along with. 8-) I like you idea on "self generated magnetism" and I agree absolutely with the importance of spin and all that implies in relation to the conservation of angular momentum. Grimer ================ Domine ut videam ================ From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Sep 6 02:12:33 2004 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i869CEAk003267; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 02:12:18 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i869CCYN003244; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 02:12:12 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 02:12:12 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f From: Erikbaard@aol.com Message-ID: <6d.32f4622e.2e6d83dd@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 05:11:57 EDT Subject: cryptobiology, geometry in nature, and all that To: vortex-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1094461917" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5113 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55842 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: -------------------------------1094461917 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fascinating read and beautiful photo: http://www.naturalhistorymag.com/0904/0904_feature.html Erik Baard -------------------------------1094461917 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Fascinating read and beautiful photo:

htt= p://www.naturalhistorymag.com/0904/0904_feature.html

Erik Baard

-------------------------------1094461917-- From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Sep 6 04:06:51 2004 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i86B6iIW024210; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 04:06:45 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i86B6hpk024205; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 04:06:43 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 04:06:43 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <410-220049161069390@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: fjsparber@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.42.0 (Windows) From: "Frederick Sparber" To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Fusion and proton/neutron ratio Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 05:06:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 0b1c9d71006e06a171639b933de7ae6f7e972de0d01da940dd21509a55d3e394a3f140d70ac7aa80350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.240.78.211 Resent-Message-ID: <3OEP0B.A.J6F.CTEPBB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55843 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jones Beene wrote: > > At 07:53 am 05-09-04 -0700, you wrote: > >Don't want to be-LABOR a certain issue, but... > > > >One final thought on "impossible" nuclear fusion of > >higher Z elements, electrostatic repulsion, strong > >force attraction and the Kervan findings of biological > >transmutations. BTW these findings are not suspect - > >the deeper one looks, the findings appear to be solid. > >After all these years, there are few counter-claims to > >the evidence of Kervan and other; and their main > >contention that in cellular live, potassium seems to > >"appear from nowhere" in many different ways and the > >most likely source can be traced back to sodium... or > >maybe calcium, but most likely sodium (unless one > >wishes to invoke magic or divine intervention). > > > >So this final thought, and admittedly it comes with > >way too much spontaneity. You can look at potassium > >vis-a- vis the other elements all day long and not > >come up with a better fit than oxygen and sodium > > >> Jones If you want to invoke 11Sodium-23+ 8Oxygen-16 ---> 19Potassium-39 + ~20 Mev, then 9Fluorine19 + 6Carbon-12 ---> 15Phosphorus-31 + ~22 Mev keeps your innards in shape, too. :-) Lots of Pair Production (Triplet) and Electronium formed here to soak up all that Gamma energy, just like in the Palladium D + D = He4 = ~24 Mev. Frederick From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Sep 6 07:49:37 2004 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i86EnVIW003318; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 07:49:31 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i86EnT19003310; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 07:49:29 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 07:49:29 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <001f01c4941f$9ffbe8c0$8837fea9@pacbell.net> From: "Jones Beene" To: "vortex" References: <410-220049161069390@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Fusion and proton/neutron ratio Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 07:41:40 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55844 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Frederick Sparber writes, > then 9Fluorine19 + 6Carbon-12 ---> 15Phosphorus-31 + ~22 Mev keeps your innards in shape, too. :-) Interesting point, Fred. Of course, [for those who didn't pick up on the "innards" connection] I assume that you are talking about the not-well-publicized Phosphorus anomaly which DuPont discovered in the manufacturing of Teflon ? Think I'll "stick" with stainless steel... Jones From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Sep 6 08:32:00 2004 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i86FVfAk000874; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 08:31:41 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i86FVdKH000867; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 08:31:39 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 08:31:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <410-22004916143111800@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: fjsparber@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.42.0 (Windows) From: "Frederick Sparber" To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Fusion and proton/neutron ratio Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 09:31:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 0b1c9d71006e06a171639b933de7ae6f7e972de0d01da9401cf8bc7f20db074e3b867da454653bbb350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.240.78.35 Resent-Message-ID: <8BetvD.A.fN.bLIPBB@ultra6.eskimo.com> Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55845 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > [Original Message] > From: Jones Beene > To: vortex > Date: 9/6/04 9:49:31 AM > Subject: Re: Fusion and proton/neutron ratio > > Frederick Sparber writes, > > > then 9Fluorine19 + 6Carbon-12 ---> 15Phosphorus-31 + ~22 > Mev keeps your innards in shape, too. :-) > > > Interesting point, Fred. > > Of course, [for those who didn't pick up on the "innards" > connection] I assume that you are talking about the > not-well-publicized Phosphorus anomaly which DuPont > discovered in the manufacturing of Teflon ? Tell us more about that, Jones. I was referring to the role of phosphorus in biological metabolism and bone-teeth health. Vs Flouride. Fred > > Think I'll "stick" with stainless steel... > > Jones > From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Sep 7 00:40:48 2004 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i877eQAk023268; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 00:40:26 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i877eOkf023247; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 00:40:24 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 00:40:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: temalloy@metro.lakes.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000b01c491f5$59d0fce0$8837fea9@pacbell.net> References: <000b01c491f5$59d0fce0$8837fea9@pacbell.net> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 02:39:50 -0500 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com From: thomas malloy Subject: Re: Fermi Condensate Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-DCC-CPI-Metrics: Clear 1161; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55846 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jones Beene posted; >From the "yet another reason the experts are wrong" department: > >This months Sci. Am. special edition (focus on Einstein) has a story >on the woman, Deborah Jin, who has apparently found that the Pauli >exclusion principle is just a generalization (like the second law of >thermodynamics) and has gotten a condensate to form out of Fermions. Interesting post Jones. Would you please explain the Pauli exclusion? Also where can I find Fermions in nature? From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Sep 7 04:07:33 2004 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i87B7DAk005627; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 04:07:18 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i87B7BHZ005606; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 04:07:11 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 04:07:11 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <410-2200492710636630@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: fjsparber@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.42.0 (Windows) From: "Frederick Sparber" To: "vortex-l" Subject: Re: Anomalous X-ray spectra of Atoms containing "Electronium"? Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 05:06:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BC2B74.89D1CCC0" X-ELNK-Trace: 0b1c9d71006e06a171639b933de7ae6f7e972de0d01da94023c7db187faf6bd8c60a3965114f4818350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.240.78.23 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55847 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BC2B74.89D1CCC0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I would think that some atoms of Mercury, Thallium, Lead, or other decay daughters of Uranium-Radium (where high energy beta-gamma decay can produce electron-positron pairs) would have a mass 2-2.8 "electronium electron" somewhere in their electron cloud, that could eventually end up in Oxygen, etc. http://ie.lbl.gov/xray/mainpage.htm Frederick ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII

I would think that some atoms of Mercury, Thallium, Lead, or other decay daughters of Uranium-Radium

(where high energy beta-gamma decay can produce electron-positron pairs) would have

a mass 2-2.8 "electronium electron" somewhere in their electron cloud, that could

eventually end up in Oxygen, etc.

http://ie.lbl.gov/xray/mainpage.htm

Frederick

------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- ------=_NextPart_000_01BC2B74.89D1CCC0 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="X-ray spectra Website.url" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Description: X-ray spectra Website.url Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="X-ray spectra Website.url" W0RFRkFVTFRdDQpCQVNFVVJMPWh0dHA6Ly9pZS5sYmwuZ292L3hyYXkvbWFpbnBhZ2UuaHRtDQoN CltJbnRlcm5ldFNob3J0Y3V0XQ0KVVJMPWh0dHA6Ly9pZS5sYmwuZ292L3hyYXkvbWFpbnBhZ2Uu aHRtDQpNb2RpZmllZD04MEU5NTVDNkJGOTRDNDAxOUMNCg== ------=_NextPart_000_01BC2B74.89D1CCC0-- From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Sep 7 07:34:52 2004 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i87EYQAk004903; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 07:34:26 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i87EYOBS004882; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 07:34:24 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 07:34:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20040907103336.02589b20@mail.lenr-canr.org> X-Sender: log733sup@lenr-canr.org@mail.lenr-canr.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 10:34:20 -0400 To: vortex-L@eskimo.com From: Jed Rothwell Subject: Takahashi reports on the 10th TEET conference Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55848 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Dear Colleagues: On September 3 2004 at Tokyo International Forum, the 10th TEET Symposium on Condensed Matter Nuclear Science and Future Innovative Thermal and Electric Energy was successfully held. It was the first time in the series of TEET symposiums that the subjective on CMNS (including cold fusion) was selected. The TEET (Thermal and Electric Energy Technology) foundation has decided to hold such a symposium considering the recent significant progress of CMNS reporting intriguing results of nuclear effects as selected transmutations and nuclear emission in metal-deuterium (hydrogen) systems, especially in Japan. There came about 100 participants who were mostly non-JCF members from governmental institutions and companies. As a starting key-note lecture, A. Takahashi (Professor Emeritus, Osaka University) told about major results of CMNS studies since 1989 but stressing recent results. Helium generation with excess heat and selective transmutations were regarded as most important for energy application. Weak nuclear emission was evaluated as fundamental indication of common underlying physics between the former and the latter. Following his cluster fusion model, an explanatory story was extended for consistently explaining various key experimental results. He concluded that there existed strong possibility of clean fusion and fission as ordered nuclear process of TSC (tetrahedral symmetric condensate) of deuterons, deuterons/protons, and pure protons in condensed matter, and application to clean energy sources and transmutation of nuclear wastes would be expected. The second key-note talk by K. Kaneko (Nikkei Ecology, editor) gave a nice talk on world energy problem introducing recent developments in windmill generators, solar energy generator panels, CO2 fixing program into deep ocean, 4th generation nuclear reactors, and so on. He concluded that no existing technology can cover the required world energy source for the sustainable development, and breakthrough technologies are very seriously expected to realize and provide ones such as clean portable nuclear reactors which CMNS researches are making efforts. Presentations for latest CMNS results, Y. Iwamura (MHI) showed briefly their famous transmutation experiments by deuteron permeation through multi-layered palladium plate, and T. Mizuno did historical summary of neutron emission results in CF experiments and showed his latest experiments of neutron bursts by cooled D2 gas with magnetic field (You know details for these, and I cut details). K. Matsui (Institute of Applied Energy) gave a special talk on the New Hydrogen Project in 1993-1997. He briefly summarized the aim, organization, participants, results and final evaluation of the NHE project, using number of luminescent photographs. At last he appealed that the NHE project made an important step, albeit the final negative evaluation for the existence of energy-applicable excess heat, in the history of Japanese effort for new science problems. The investment to the NHE project was succeeded to some groups for recent remarkable progress. The panel discussion was chaired H. Ikegami, starting with comments by J. Kasagi (Tohoku University) and followed by Q and A between audiences and lecturers. The atmosphere looked showing that lectures and CMNS were well received by participants. At the end, Ikegami admired the long term efforts by researchers to have got the present very convincing results. Akito Takahashi akito@sutv.zaq.ne.jp From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Sep 7 08:02:02 2004 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i87F1kAk013772; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 08:01:46 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i87F1dYl013689; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 08:01:39 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 08:01:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <02a101c494ea$7c0b7400$8837fea9@pacbell.net> From: "Jones Beene" To: "vortex" References: <410-2200492710636630@earthlink.net> Subject: Nuclear battery. Was: Anomalous X-ray spectra of Atoms containing "Electronium"? Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 07:53:48 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55849 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This previously mentioned table brings back a sad memory, totally unrelated to the subject of the prior post, so I have changed the subject bar slightly: > http://ie.lbl.gov/xray/mainpage.htm Curious story.... Years ago, when I first chanced upon this factoid that follows, it was clear to this perpetual optimist that the path to at least a substantial source of "alternative energy" was on the horizon, even if it does depend totally on induced radioactivity and all of the well-known the risks of such. I don't want to get into a debate on that just now, just to recount the underlying idea. Here is the factoid (and energy anomaly): Look at the element Scandium in the chart above (It is element 21 Sc). Pay attention to the scale on the left. Then compare Sc with all the other secondary emitters in the periodic table. Wow, it is incredible. Then imagine the possibilities. Scandium is such an enormous oddity and anomaly for induced secondary emission - that at the time, it seemed clear that this could be put to immediate use in energy generation. How? Perhaps a nuclear battery is the best implementation. There is both a battery application, a possible LENR boosting application, and several photo-electro-chemical applications which could all be used to generate electricity economically (or split water) particularly using scandium to both boost and downshift the gamma emissions from an incredible hidden national resource, now considered to be a major liability: so-called rad-waste. I had hoped at that time to interest Paul Brown in the idea, but his untimely death: http://users.erols.com/iri/Pauleulogy.htm somehow caused me to loose all interest in the idea of a scandium-boosted battery, until seeing it surface once again this morning. If you think about implementation of this in the larger perspective of 50 million automobiles needing a non-carbon-emitting, cheap and reliable fuel source, then some of the secondary problems with radioactivity become less of a potential threat, even in the event inevitable wrecks on the highway, which would have to be handled differently. These accidents will happen - the real issue is, can we engineer around that threat of radioactive leakage and theft. Make no mistake. A nuclear battery is something that must be very carefully engineered from the start - and the final risk-vs-rewards carefully documented against the alternative: polluting our air with fossil fuels... BTW... all fossil fuels contain a significant level of dangerous radioactivity, so in the end - this is a matter of weighing risk vs rewards of chemical combustion with a continuous accumulating airborne rad-risk vs. nuclear batteries with a catastrophe-rad-risk, but non-polluting in normal operation... And...also consider the disposal issue of all that radioactive nuclear reactor waste that we are talking about burying in Nevada. Is there a better way? Why not put the rad-waste to work, generating electricity, instead of burying it. How? For every reactor, you take the 20-40 tons of spent reactor fuel created every decade and divide it up into 100,000 or so carefully shielded batteries, placed into an specially engineered compartment in each electric car. Surround each needle of fuel with a scandium sheath and you have multiplied your gammas enormously. You have, in effect, a self-powered cathode of the so-called "negative resistance" variety. The nuclear batteries can also be effectively shielded by the mundane lead-acid variety, Or use them to provide the EMF in any of the possible schemes which P. Brown and others have been working on. As mentioned, the nuclear batteries can be shielded by the lead-acid variety, and even integrated into the same unit, which is a special synergy of this idea. There, the nuclear side will charge up the lead-acid side 24/7 and you will only need to connect to the grid in the event of long trips, etc. You need to engineer the car to be totally spill-proof, terrorist resistant using a self activated cellular alarm system, etc.in the event of theft or catastrophe, of course...but that is all possible in theory, especially in a future of advancing computer capability, cellular communication grids and robotics. One should never plan for the future based on the way things are now, but based on the way things will be (as best we can determine at the given time). We are talking about a potential technology that would take 7-10 years to perfect. Is it worth going further? Many would say the advantages are there so why not at least take a closer look. But in the end, the Sierra Club would have a harder time buying into this idea than the petro-shadow-government.... And if you have to fight both ends of the political spectrum for R&D funds, is there any hope? Jones From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Sep 7 10:30:43 2004 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i87HUSAk000804; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 10:30:28 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i87HULMO000744; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 10:30:21 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 10:30:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <410-22004927173133310@ix.netcom.com> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: aki@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Akira Kawasaki" To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: Takahashi reports on the 10th TEET conference Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 10:31:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: c4cc7f5f697e8746f66dc3a06d5924d8718973a57f970ef089f43e142ff883bc1ee4b264fab01f9d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.232.54.40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55850 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Sept . 07, 2004 Vortex, Nice report from Takahashi, Jed. I wonder who wrote the English report. It is far less jarring than the oral presentations I have had to listen to during ICCF's many Japanese reports. Do you know if there will be links to the papers presented either to Lenr/Canr. TEET, or the newly organized ISCMNS (International Society of Condensed Matter Nuclear Science) websites? -ak- > [Original Message] > From: Jed Rothwell > To: > Date: 9/7/2004 7:34:26 AM > Subject: Takahashi reports on the 10th TEET conference > > Dear Colleagues: > > On September 3 2004 at Tokyo International Forum, the 10th TEET Symposium > on Condensed Matter Nuclear Science and Future Innovative Thermal and > Electric Energy was successfully held. It was the first time in the series > of TEET symposiums that the subjective on CMNS (including cold fusion) was > selected. The TEET (Thermal and Electric Energy Technology) foundation has > decided to hold such a symposium considering the recent significant > progress of CMNS reporting intriguing results of nuclear effects as > selected transmutations and nuclear emission in metal-deuterium (hydrogen) > systems, especially in Japan. There came about 100 participants who were > mostly non-JCF members from governmental institutions and companies. > > As a starting key-note lecture, A. Takahashi (Professor Emeritus, Osaka > University) told about major results of CMNS studies since 1989 but > stressing recent results. Helium generation with excess heat and selective > transmutations were regarded as most important for energy application. Weak > nuclear emission was evaluated as fundamental indication of common > underlying physics between the former and the latter. Following his cluster > fusion model, an explanatory story was extended for consistently explaining > various key experimental results. He concluded that there existed strong > possibility of clean fusion and fission as ordered nuclear process of TSC > (tetrahedral symmetric condensate) of deuterons, deuterons/protons, and > pure protons in condensed matter, and application to clean energy sources > and transmutation of nuclear wastes would be expected. > > The second key-note talk by K. Kaneko (Nikkei Ecology, editor) gave a nice > talk on world energy problem introducing recent developments in windmill > generators, solar energy generator panels, CO2 fixing program into deep > ocean, 4th generation nuclear reactors, and so on. He concluded that no > existing technology can cover the required world energy source for the > sustainable development, and breakthrough technologies are very seriously > expected to realize and provide ones such as clean portable nuclear > reactors which CMNS researches are making efforts. > > Presentations for latest CMNS results, Y. Iwamura (MHI) showed briefly > their famous transmutation experiments by deuteron permeation through > multi-layered palladium plate, and T. Mizuno did historical summary of > neutron emission results in CF experiments and showed his latest > experiments of neutron bursts by cooled D2 gas with magnetic field (You > know details for these, and I cut details). > > K. Matsui (Institute of Applied Energy) gave a special talk on the New > Hydrogen Project in 1993-1997. He briefly summarized the aim, organization, > participants, results and final evaluation of the NHE project, using number > of luminescent photographs. At last he appealed that the NHE project made > an important step, albeit the final negative evaluation for the existence > of energy-applicable excess heat, in the history of Japanese effort for new > science problems. The investment to the NHE project was succeeded to some > groups for recent remarkable progress. > > The panel discussion was chaired H. Ikegami, starting with comments by J. > Kasagi (Tohoku University) and followed by Q and A between audiences and > lecturers. The atmosphere looked showing that lectures and CMNS were well > received by participants. At the end, Ikegami admired the long term efforts > by researchers to have got the present very convincing results. > > > Akito Takahashi > > akito@sutv.zaq.ne.jp > From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Sep 7 10:34:44 2004 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i87HYUAk002278; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 10:34:30 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i87HYOoq002222; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 10:34:24 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 10:34:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.20040907183231.006a5320@pop.freeserve.net> X-Sender: grimer2.freeserve.co.uk@pop.freeserve.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 18:32:31 +0000 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com From: Grimer Subject: Re: Nuclear battery. Was: Anomalous X-ray spectra of Atoms containing "Electronium"? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55851 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 07:53 am 07-09-04 -0700, you wrote: >I had hoped at that time to interest Paul Brown in the idea, >but his untimely death: >http://users.erols.com/iri/Pauleulogy.htm >somehow caused me to loose all interest in the idea of a >scandium-boosted battery,............. I'm not surprised having read about the persecution he suffered at the hands of the Powers-That-Be. Makes one wonder if his death in a car accident wasn't dirty work at the crossroads. Grimer From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Sep 7 23:17:04 2004 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i886GhAk029703; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 23:16:43 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i886Ga88029663; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 23:16:36 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 23:16:36 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20040905124737.03b2b3e0@earthlink.net> References: <6.0.0.22.2.20040905124737.03b2b3e0@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 01:15:59 -0500 To: vortex-L@eskimo.com From: thomas malloy Subject: Re: URL: Cold Fusion Back From the Dead - U.S. Energy Department gives true believers a new hearing Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1117498324==_ma============" X-DCC-CPI-Metrics: Clear 1161; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55852 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --============_-1117498324==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Forwarded from Pat Bailey >Cold Fusion Back From the Dead > >[Thanks to Dr. J. .J. Hurtak > at www.affs.org.] > >U.S. Energy Department gives true believers a new hearing > >[Thanks Eugene Mallove! PB.] > >http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/WEBONLY/resource/sep04/0904nfus.html > >Later this month, the U.S. Department of Energy will receive a >report from a panel of experts on the prospects for cold fusion-the >supposed generation of thermonuclear energy using tabletop >apparatus. It's an extraordinary reversal of fortune: more than a >few heads turned earlier this year when James Decker, the deputy >director of the DOE's Office of Science, announced that he was >initiating the review of cold fusion science. Back in November 1989, >it had been the department's own investigation that determined the >evidence behind cold fusion was unconvincing. Clearly, something >important has changed to grab the department's attention now. > >The cold fusion story began at a now infamous press conference in >March 1989. Stanley Pons and Martin Fleischmann, both >electrochemists working at the University of Utah in Salt Lake City, >announced that they had created fusion using a battery connected to >palladium electrodes immersed in a bath of water in which the >hydrogen was replaced with its isotope deuterium-so-called heavy >water. With this claim came the idea that tabletop fusion could >produce more or less unlimited, low-cost, clean energy. > >In physicists' traditional view of fusion, forcing two deuterium >nuclei close enough together to allow them to fuse usually requires >temperatures of tens of millions of degrees Celsius. The claim that >it could be done at room temperature with a couple of electrodes >connected to a battery stretched credulity [see photo, "Too Good to >Be True?"]. > >But while some scientists reported being able to reproduce the >result sporadically, many others reported negative results, and cold >fusion soon took on the stigma of junk science. > >Today the mainstream view is that champions of cold fusion are >little better than purveyors of snake oil and good luck charms. >Critics say that the extravagant claims behind cold fusion need to >be backed with exceptionally strong evidence, and that such evidence >simply has not materialized. "To my knowledge, nothing has changed >that makes cold fusion worth a second look," says Steven Koonin, a >member of the panel that evaluated cold fusion for the DOE back in >1989, who is now chief scientist at BP, the London-based energy >company. > >Because of such attitudes, science has all but ignored the >phenomenon for 15 years. But a small group of dedicated researchers >have continued to investigate it. For them, the DOE's change of >heart is a crucial step toward being accepted back into the >scientific fold. Behind the scenes, scientists in many countries, >but particularly in the United States, Japan, and Italy, have been >working quietly for more than a decade to understand the science >behind cold fusion. (Today they call it low-energy nuclear >reactions, or sometimes chemically assisted nuclear reactions.) For >them, the department's change of heart is simply a recognition of >what they have said all along-whatever cold fusion may be, it needs >explaining by the proper process of science. > >THE FIRST HINT that the tide may be changing came in February 2002, >when the U.S. Navy revealed that its researchers had been studying >cold fusion on the quiet more or less continuously since the debacle >began. Much of this work was carried out at the Space and Naval >Warfare Systems Center in San Diego, where the idea of generating >energy from sea water-a good source of heavy water-may have seemed >more captivating than at other laboratories. > >Many researchers at the center had worked with Fleischmann, a >well-respected electrochemist, and found it hard to believe that he >was completely mistaken. What's more, the Navy encouraged a culture >of risk-taking in research and made available small amounts of >funding for researchers to pursue their own interests. > >At San Diego and other research centers, scientists built up an >impressive body of evidence that something strange happened when a >current passed through palladium electrodes placed in heavy water. > >And by 2002, a number of Navy scientists believed it was time to >throw down the gauntlet. A two-volume report, entitled "Thermal and >nuclear aspects of the Pd/D2O system," contained a remarkable plea >for proper funding from Frank Gordon, the head of navigation and >applied science at the Navy center. "It is time that this phenomenon >be investigated so that we can reap whatever benefits accrue from >scientific understanding. It is time for government funding agencies >to invest in this research," he wrote. The report was noted by the >DOE but appeared to have little impact. > >Then, last August, in a small hotel near the Massachusetts Institute >of Technology, in Cambridge, some 150 engineers and scientists met >for the Tenth International Conference on Cold Fusion. Conference >observers were struck by the careful way in which various early >criticisms of the research were being addressed. Over the years, a >number of groups around the world have reproduced the original >Pons-Fleischmann excess heat effect, yielding sometimes as much as >250 percent of the energy put in. > >To be sure, excess energy by itself is not enough to establish that >fusion is taking place. In addition to energy, critics are quick to >emphasize, the fusion of deuterium nuclei should produce other >byproducts, such as helium and the hydrogen isotope tritium. >Evidence of these byproducts has been scant, though Antonella de >Ninno and colleagues from the Italian National Agency for New >Technologies Energy and the Environment, in Rome, have found strong >evidence of helium generation when the palladium cells are producing >excess heat but not otherwise. > >Other researchers are finally beginning to explain why the >Pons-Fleischmann effect has been difficult to reproduce. Mike >McKubre from SRI International, in Menlo Park, Calif., a respected >researcher who is influential among those pursuing cold fusion, says >that the effect can be reliably seen only once the palladium >electrodes are packed with deuterium at ratios of 100 percent-one >deuterium atom for every palladium atom. His work shows that if the >ratio drops by as little as 10 points, to 90 percent, only 2 >experimental runs in 12 produce excess heat, while all runs at a >ratio of 100 percent produce excess heat. > >And scientists are beginning to get a better handle on exactly how >the effect occurs. Stanislaw Szpak and colleagues from the Space and >Naval Warfare Systems Command have taken infrared video images of >palladium electrodes as they produce excess energy. It turns out >that the heat is not produced continuously over the entire electrode >but only in hot spots that erupt and then die on the electrode >surface. This team also has evidence of curious mini-explosions on >the surface. > >Fleischmann, who is still involved in cold fusion as an advisor to a >number of groups, feels vindicated. He told the conference: "I >believe that the work carried out thus far amply illustrates that >there is a new and richly varied field of research waiting to be >explored." (Pons is no longer involved in the field, having dropped >from view after a laboratory he joined in southern France ceased >operations.) > >For Peter Hagelstein, an electrical engineer at MIT who works on the >theory behind cold fusion and who chaired the August 2003 >conference, the quality of the papers was hugely significant. "It's >obvious that there are effects going on," he says. He and two >colleagues believed the results were so strong that they were worth >drawing to the attention of the DOE, and late last year they secured >a meeting with the department's Decker. > >It was a meeting that paid off dramatically. The review will give >cold fusion researchers a chance-perhaps their last-to show their >mettle. The department has yet to decide just what will be done and >by whom. There is no guarantee of funding or of future support. But >for a discipline whose name has become a byword for junk science, >the DOE's review is a big opportunity --============_-1117498324==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: URL: Cold Fusion Back From the Dead - U.S. Energy

Forwarded from Pat Bailey

Cold Fusion Back From the Dead

[Thanks to Dr. J. .J. Hurtak
at www.affs.org.]

U.S. Energy Department gives true believers a new hearing

[Thanks Eugene Mallove! PB.]

http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/WEBONLY/resource/sep04/0904nfus.html

Later this month, the U.S. Department of Energy will receive a report from a panel of experts on the prospects for cold fusion-the supposed generation of thermonuclear energy using tabletop apparatus. It's an extraordinary reversal of fortune: more than a few heads turned earlier this year when James Decker, the deputy director of the DOE's Office of Science, announced that he was initiating the review of cold fusion science. Back in November 1989, it had been the department's own investigation that determined the evidence behind cold fusion was unconvincing. Clearly, something important has changed to grab the department's attention now.

The cold fusion story began at a now infamous press conference in March 1989. Stanley Pons and Martin Fleischmann, both electrochemists working at the University of Utah in Salt Lake City, announced that they had created fusion using a battery connected to palladium electrodes immersed in a bath of water in which the hydrogen was replaced with its isotope deuterium-so-called heavy water. With this claim came the idea that tabletop fusion could produce more or less unlimited, low-cost, clean energy.

In physicists' traditional view of fusion, forcing two deuterium nuclei close enough together to allow them to fuse usually requires temperatures of tens of millions of degrees Celsius. The claim that it could be done at room temperature with a couple of electrodes connected to a battery stretched credulity [see photo, "Too Good to Be True?"].

But while some scientists reported being able to reproduce the result sporadically, many others reported negative results, and cold fusion soon took on the stigma of junk science.

Today the mainstream view is that champions of cold fusion are little better than purveyors of snake oil and good luck charms. Critics say that the extravagant claims behind cold fusion need to be backed with exceptionally strong evidence, and that such evidence simply has not materialized. "To my knowledge, nothing has changed that makes cold fusion worth a second look," says Steven Koonin, a member of the panel that evaluated cold fusion for the DOE back in 1989, who is now chief scientist at BP, the London-based energy company.

Because of such attitudes, science has all but ignored the phenomenon for 15 years. But a small group of dedicated researchers have continued to investigate it. For them, the DOE's change of heart is a crucial step toward being accepted back into the scientific fold. Behind the scenes, scientists in many countries, but particularly in the United States, Japan, and Italy, have been working quietly for more than a decade to understand the science behind cold fusion. (Today they call it low-energy nuclear reactions, or sometimes chemically assisted nuclear reactions.) For them, the department's change of heart is simply a recognition of what they have said all along-whatever cold fusion may be, it needs explaining by the proper process of science.

THE FIRST HINT that the tide may be changing came in February 2002, when the U.S. Navy revealed that its researchers had been studying cold fusion on the quiet more or less continuously since the debacle began. Much of this work was carried out at the Space and Naval Warfare Systems Center in San Diego, where the idea of generating energy from sea water-a good source of heavy water-may have seemed more captivating than at other laboratories.

Many researchers at the center had worked with Fleischmann, a well-respected electrochemist, and found it hard to believe that he was completely mistaken. What's more, the Navy encouraged a culture of risk-taking in research and made available small amounts of funding for researchers to pursue their own interests.

At San Diego and other research centers, scientists built up an impressive body of evidence that something strange happened when a current passed through palladium electrodes placed in heavy water.

And by 2002, a number of Navy scientists believed it was time to throw down the gauntlet. A two-volume report, entitled "Thermal and nuclear aspects of the Pd/D2O system," contained a remarkable plea for proper funding from Frank Gordon, the head of navigation and applied science at the Navy center. "It is time that this phenomenon be investigated so that we can reap whatever benefits accrue from scientific understanding. It is time for government funding agencies to invest in this research," he wrote. The report was noted by the DOE but appeared to have little impact.

Then, last August, in a small hotel near the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, in Cambridge, some 150 engineers and scientists met for the Tenth International Conference on Cold Fusion. Conference observers were struck by the careful way in which various early criticisms of the research were being addressed. Over the years, a number of groups around the world have reproduced the original Pons-Fleischmann excess heat effect, yielding sometimes as much as 250 percent of the energy put in.

To be sure, excess energy by itself is not enough to establish that fusion is taking place. In addition to energy, critics are quick to emphasize, the fusion of deuterium nuclei should produce other byproducts, such as helium and the hydrogen isotope tritium. Evidence of these byproducts has been scant, though Antonella de Ninno and colleagues from the Italian National Agency for New Technologies Energy and the Environment, in Rome, have found strong evidence of helium generation when the palladium cells are producing excess heat but not otherwise.

Other researchers are finally beginning to explain why the Pons-Fleischmann effect has been difficult to reproduce. Mike McKubre from SRI International, in Menlo Park, Calif., a respected researcher who is influential among those pursuing cold fusion, says that the effect can be reliably seen only once the palladium electrodes are packed with deuterium at ratios of 100 percent-one deuterium atom for every palladium atom. His work shows that if the ratio drops by as little as 10 points, to 90 percent, only 2 experimental runs in 12 produce excess heat, while all runs at a ratio of 100 percent produce excess heat.

And scientists are beginning to get a better handle on exactly how the effect occurs. Stanislaw Szpak and colleagues from the Space and Naval Warfare Systems Command have taken infrared video images of palladium electrodes as they produce excess energy. It turns out that the heat is not produced continuously over the entire electrode but only in hot spots that erupt and then die on the electrode surface. This team also has evidence of curious mini-explosions on the surface.

Fleischmann, who is still involved in cold fusion as an advisor to a number of groups, feels vindicated. He told the conference: "I believe that the work carried out thus far amply illustrates that there is a new and richly varied field of research waiting to be explored." (Pons is no longer involved in the field, having dropped from view after a laboratory he joined in southern France ceased operations.)

For Peter Hagelstein, an electrical engineer at MIT who works on the theory behind cold fusion and who chaired the August 2003 conference, the quality of the papers was hugely significant. "It's obvious that there are effects going on," he says. He and two colleagues believed the results were so strong that they were worth drawing to the attention of the DOE, and late last year they secured a meeting with the department's Decker.

It was a meeting that paid off dramatically. The review will give cold fusion researchers a chance-perhaps their last-to show their mettle. The department has yet to decide just what will be done and by whom. There is no guarantee of funding or of future support. But for a discipline whose name has become a byword for junk science, the DOE's review is a big opportunity

--============_-1117498324==_ma============-- From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Sep 8 12:49:59 2004 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i88JniAk008736; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:49:44 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i88JngHW008723; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:49:42 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:49:42 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.20040907183231.006a5320@pop.freeserve.net> References: <2.2.32.20040907183231.006a5320@pop.freeserve.net> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 14:49:20 -0500 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com From: thomas malloy Subject: Re: Nuclear battery. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-DCC-CPI-Metrics: Clear 1161; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Resent-Message-ID: <8EfD1D.A.PIC.VJ2PBB@ultra6.eskimo.com> Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55853 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > >I'm not surprised having read about the persecution he suffered >at the hands of the Powers-That-Be. Makes one wonder if his >death in a car accident wasn't dirty work at the crossroads. There was a reporter who wrote an article on the subject. He raised the possibility of Paul's having been murdered. I'd like to hear what Jackie Brown, his widow, has to say about this. I wrote the reporter an letter, which went unanswered. OTHO, Paul loved to race, the story I heard is that he was going down a back road in an early '70 Datsun, at a "high rate of speed." He left the road at 90, and that's all there is to tell. The Devil got the physicist, and the nuclear battery as well. AFAIK, the BNB patent will be expiring next May. OTOH, one involving scadnium is a different circuit, as would be one powered by plutonium From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Sep 9 09:16:28 2004 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i89GGC6F021910; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 09:16:12 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i89GFX0C021730; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 09:15:33 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 09:15:33 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20040909115538.025ad008@mail.lenr-canr.org> X-Sender: log733sup@lenr-canr.org@mail.lenr-canr.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 12:15:23 -0400 To: vortex-L@eskimo.com From: Jed Rothwell Subject: Typhoon 18 hits Japan Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55854 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I suppose news of a gigantic Vortex is on topic. Japan was hit by the biggest Typhoon in many years, #18 in the Pacific this year. I think 6 or 8 have struck the Japanese archipelago this year, about twice as many serious typhoons as normal. The storm sank several ships in the Inland Sea, and broke heavy duty telephone and power poles like matchsticks. See: http://www.town.kuka.yamaguchi.jp/town-kuka/kyoukuka.htm They still have no power at Kuka-cho. (Select "9/8" at the top of the page.) The storm hit Sapporo hard, which is unusual. Most storms blow out before they reach that far north, but this one stayed in the Sea of Japan, where latent heat in the ocean water "continually recharged the storm's batteries" as the weather lady on NHK put it. Last night, NHK news showed aerial views of the Hokkaido University campus. Half of the famous giant 101-year-old poplar trees are down. (They were planted in 1903.) Tadahiko Mizuno sent me the attached message. - Jed - - - - - - - - - - - - - - We had [a] serious storm yesterday. Typhoon 18 attacked directly Sapporo city. Wind was 50.2m/s at noon. Almost [all trees] fell down and was broken. Many buildings were destroyed. Many windows were broken at my department. The sight was changed because almost [all tree are gone]. Tadahiko Mizuno From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Sep 10 08:57:21 2004 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i8AFv2Ak022192; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:57:02 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i8AFujGx021574; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:56:45 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:56:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <410-220049510145610550@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: fjsparber@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.42.0 (Windows) From: "Frederick Sparber" To: "vortex-l" Subject: Re Bohr Atom Applet & Electronium Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:56:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 0b1c9d71006e06a171639b933de7ae6f7e972de0d01da94029ec0dc35e29e8fb69801119530d2ff8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.240.162.247 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55855 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII This applet makes it difficult to find "Fractional Orbit" Hydrogen. http://lectureonline.cl.msu.edu/~mmp/kap29/Bohr/app.htm OTOH, for the first orbit of "Electronium" with a mass twice that of the electron, the 13.6 ev ground state would change to 27.2 ev, thus allowing an H+ ion to extract an "Electronium electron" or regular electron (ionize) any atom or molecule. This could set up Over-Unity effects without resorting to " Fractional .Orbit" Hydrogen. Frederick ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII

This applet makes it difficult to find "Fractional Orbit" Hydrogen.

http://lectureonline.cl.msu.edu/~mmp/kap29/Bohr/app.htm

OTOH, for the first orbit of "Electronium" with a mass twice that of the electron,

the 13.6 ev ground state would change to 27.2 ev, thus allowing an H+ ion

to extract an "Electronium electron" or regular electron (ionize) any atom or molecule.

This could set up Over-Unity effects without resorting to " Fractional .Orbit" Hydrogen.

Frederick

------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Sep 10 13:19:46 2004 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i8AKJfm4024538; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:19:41 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i8AKJYrM024487; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:19:34 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:19:34 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <410-220049510202046130@ix.netcom.com> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: aki@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Akira Kawasaki" To: "vortex-l" Subject: FW: WHAT'S NEW Friday, September 10, 2004 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:20:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: c4cc7f5f697e8746f66dc3a06d5924d814eb35318f1a7882cf4784f5c3dd227e32896555ed3a2240350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.232.15.162 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55856 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > From: What's New > To: Akira Kawasaki Date: 9/10/2004 12:46:15 PM Subject: WHAT'S NEW Friday, September 10, 2004 WHAT'S NEW Robert L. Park Friday, 10 Aug 04 Washington, DC 1. SUPPLEMENTS: ANCIENT CHINESE WISDOM - OR A DEADLY HERBAL SCAM? Two years ago WN related the tale of PC-SPES, a mixture of seven Chinese herbs sold by Botanic Labs to promote "prostate health" www.aps.org/WN/WN02/wn090602.cfm. WN learned about it from Paul Goldberg, editor of the Cancer Letter, a Washington publication. Sunday's Washington Post carried a front-page account of the PC- SPES disaster with new details. Thanks to the Dietary Supplement and Health Education Act of 1994, PC-SPES was marketed without testing, since no claim was made that it could cure any disease www.aps.org/WN/WN04/wn040904.cfm. But it seemed to work as well as prescription drugs for prostate cancer. That's because the mish-mash of herbs was laced with prescription drugs. Patients were grateful to have a "natural" product. At least they were until their penis shrank and their breasts grew. It seems PC- SPES included a synthetic estrogen. There was also a problem with blood clots, but Botanic fixed that by adding warfarin, a blood thinner widely used as rat poison. We'll come back to passage of the 1994 Dietary Supplement and Health Education Act. 2. CLIMATE CHANGE: THE CONFERENCE BOARD STARTS PAYING ATTENTION. A non-profit organization of some 2,000 major corporations from around the world, the Conference Board is best known for monthly surveys of consumer confidence and economic indicators. But on Tuesday, it issued a report Climate Change: Clear Trajectory Haze in the Details, warning that "businesses that ignore the debate over climate change do so at their peril." The report concludes: "The Earth - for whatever the exact reasons - is on a trajectory toward an ever warmer climate. This cannot be avoided at this point, but the trajectory can be jiggled and potential risks associated with the warming can be mitigated. Ultimately the trajectory could be reversed." The political climate for acknowledging warming is improved. Just two weeks ago, the U.S. Climate Change Program submitted its report to Congress, putting the blame squarely on increased greenhouse gases (WN 27 Aug 04). 3. NASA: HURRICANES ON THE CAPE AND A ROUGH LANDING IN UTAH. The shuttle fleet, it seems, is not safe even in its hanger on Earth. The Genesis mission was to be the first sample return since Apollo 17. It had been collecting solar wind particles for three years, but its parachute failed to deploy and it crashed in the Utah desert. Whether any data can be salvaged is not clear. 4. NIH: FREE PUBLIC ACCESS TO AGENCY FUNDED RESEARCH IS PROPOSED. The move could drive some journals out of business and bankrupt scientific societies that depend on journal profits. But given society's rising expectations of access, change seems inevitable. THE UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND. Opinions are the author's and not necessarily shared by the University of Maryland, but they should be. > --- To subscribe, send a blank e-mail to: From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Sep 11 08:05:18 2004 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i8BF5BLD013471; Sat, 11 Sep 2004 08:05:11 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i8BF59hW013437; Sat, 11 Sep 2004 08:05:09 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 08:05:09 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-Sender: hheffner@mail.mtaonline.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 07:09:20 -0800 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com From: hheffner@mtaonline.net (Horace Heffner) Subject: Chemically induced half-life change Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55857 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: The possibility of electrons providing screening to assist catalytically in coulomb barrier crunching has sometimes been discussed here. The low probability of electron screening is similar in nature (due to the small nucleus size) to the low probability for electron capture. Below is a result for the DOE to consider when contemplating the possibility of a chemical-nuclear relationship in condensed matter. The following research, clearly (further) establishes the existence of a chemical-nuclear relationship: Quote from Physics News follows: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - PHYSICS NEWS UPDATE The American Institute of Physics Bulletin of Physics News Number 700 September 10, 2004 by Phillip F. Schewe and Ben Stein CAN CHEMICAL ENVIRONMENT AFFECT NUCLEAR PROPERTIES? A new experiment shows that the decay lifetime of radioactive beryllium-7 changes by almost 1% when placed inside a carbon-60 molecule. This is perhaps the largest shift yet seen in a chemically induced modification of a nuclear lifetime. The Be-7 is unstable and one way for it to decay is for the nucleus to capture one of its own electrons, process in which a proton is turned into a neutron. Now if the Be atom lies in the cavity within a C60 molecule (in which case it is referred to as endohedral Be, or abbreviated further, Be@C60) the surrounding halo of carbon-based electrons apparently modifies the wave-functions of the beryllium-associated electrons and the associated "phase space" so that the rate at which electrons are captured by the Be nucleus is speeded up. Previous attempts to modify nuclear lifetimes through chemical means have resulted in shifts that were at the 0.15% level. The researchers from Tohoku University and Yokohama National University (Japan) doing the present experiment believe that it would be premature to suggest that this approach can be used to mitigate the problems of storing radioactive materials, but, in the near term the use of endohedral fullerenes (cargo-carrying C60 molecules) might lead to specialized radio-therapies or tracers for tagging metabolic pathways in the body. (Ohtsuki et al., Physical Review Letters, 10 September 2004; Ohtsuki@LNS.tohoku.ac.jp) Regards, Horace Heffner From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Sep 11 16:57:57 2004 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i8BNvZAk003753; Sat, 11 Sep 2004 16:57:39 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i8BNvQVl003712; Sat, 11 Sep 2004 16:57:26 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 16:57:26 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f X-Sender: hheffner@mail.mtaonline.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 16:01:38 -0800 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com From: hheffner@mtaonline.net (Horace Heffner) Subject: Re: Chemically induced half-life change Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55858 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Second try at posting, after waiting 9 hours for this to show up: The possibility of electrons providing screening to assist catalytically in coulomb barrier crunching has sometimes been discussed here. The low probability of electron screening is similar in nature (due to the small nucleus size) to the low probability for electron capture. Below is a result for the DOE to consider when contemplating the possibility of a chemical-nuclear relationship in condensed matter. The following research, clearly (further) establishes the existence of a chemical-nuclear relationship: Quote from Physics News follows: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - PHYSICS NEWS UPDATE The American Institute of Physics Bulletin of Physics News Number 700 September 10, 2004 by Phillip F. Schewe and Ben Stein CAN CHEMICAL ENVIRONMENT AFFECT NUCLEAR PROPERTIES? A new experiment shows that the decay lifetime of radioactive beryllium-7 changes by almost 1% when placed inside a carbon-60 molecule. This is perhaps the largest shift yet seen in a chemically induced modification of a nuclear lifetime. The Be-7 is unstable and one way for it to decay is for the nucleus to capture one of its own electrons, process in which a proton is turned into a neutron. Now if the Be atom lies in the cavity within a C60 molecule (in which case it is referred to as endohedral Be, or abbreviated further, Be@C60) the surrounding halo of carbon-based electrons apparently modifies the wave-functions of the beryllium-associated electrons and the associated "phase space" so that the rate at which electrons are captured by the Be nucleus is speeded up. Previous attempts to modify nuclear lifetimes through chemical means have resulted in shifts that were at the 0.15% level. The researchers from Tohoku University and Yokohama National University (Japan) doing the present experiment believe that it would be premature to suggest that this approach can be used to mitigate the problems of storing radioactive materials, but, in the near term the use of endohedral fullerenes (cargo-carrying C60 molecules) might lead to specialized radio-therapies or tracers for tagging metabolic pathways in the body. (Ohtsuki et al., Physical Review Letters, 10 September 2004; Ohtsuki@LNS.tohoku.ac.jp) Regards, Horace Heffner From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Sep 11 21:02:10 2004 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i8C41tAk011623; Sat, 11 Sep 2004 21:01:55 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i8C41nQY011571; Sat, 11 Sep 2004 21:01:49 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 21:01:49 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.20040912050230.0069d01c@pop.freeserve.net> X-Sender: grimer2.freeserve.co.uk@pop.freeserve.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 05:02:30 +0000 To: vortex-L@eskimo.com From: Grimer Subject: Re: Chemically induced half-life change Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55859 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 07:09 am 11-09-04 -0800, you wrote: >The possibility of electrons providing screening to assist catalytically in >coulomb barrier crunching has sometimes been discussed here. The low >probability of electron screening is similar in nature (due to the small >nucleus size) to the low probability for electron capture. Below is a >result for the DOE to consider when contemplating the possibility of a >chemical-nuclear relationship in condensed matter. The following research, >clearly (further) establishes the existence of a chemical-nuclear >relationship: > >Quote from Physics News follows: >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >PHYSICS NEWS UPDATE >The American Institute of Physics Bulletin of Physics News >Number 700 September 10, 2004 by Phillip F. Schewe and Ben Stein > > >CAN CHEMICAL ENVIRONMENT AFFECT NUCLEAR PROPERTIES? A new >experiment shows that the decay lifetime of radioactive beryllium-7 >changes by almost 1% when placed inside a carbon-60 molecule. This >is perhaps the largest shift yet seen in a chemically induced >modification of a nuclear lifetime. The Be-7 is unstable and one >way for it to decay is for the nucleus to capture one of its own >electrons, process in which a proton is turned into a neutron. Now >if the Be atom lies in the cavity within a C60 molecule (in which >case it is referred to as endohedral Be, or abbreviated further, >Be@C60) the surrounding halo of carbon-based electrons apparently >modifies the wave-functions of the beryllium-associated electrons >and the associated "phase space" so that the rate at which electrons >are captured by the Be nucleus is speeded up. >Previous attempts to modify nuclear lifetimes through chemical means >have resulted in shifts that were at the 0.15% level. >Regards, > >Horace Heffner Very interesting Horace. If shielding of Beta-atmosphere pressure within C60 can modify the decay rate of radioactive beryllium, Be-7, then it is not beyond the wit of man to imagine that the much greater shielding and lowering of Beta-atmosphere pressure within the metal cavity described by Jones in an earlier post could modify the behaviour of deuterium in such a way as to enable fusion. It is suggested that encasing Be-7 within a hierarchy of buckminsterfullerenes to give, say, Be@C60@C70@C76@C78@C82@C84@..etc, will lead to an even greater modification of nuclear lifetime. It will be interesting to see the results of such an experiment, although it is difficult to imagine anyone taking up the suggestion, since doing so might lend credence to, how shall I put it, a very unorthodox view of things. 8-) Grimer ========================= Vultum tuum deprecabuntur omnes divites plebis: - David - ========================= From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Sep 12 01:59:35 2004 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i8C8xO24003973; Sun, 12 Sep 2004 01:59:24 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i8C8x2F5003886; Sun, 12 Sep 2004 01:59:02 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 01:59:02 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <000b01c498a7$7ab81020$0200a8c0@terminal> Reply-To: "Michael Huffman" From: "Michael Huffman" To: References: <6.0.0.22.2.20040905124737.03b2b3e0@earthlink.net> Subject: Off Topic: A Couple of Tips Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 11:04:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C498B8.3DD7E520" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:b76291440de0a671bf17bfec730be47d Resent-Message-ID: <7kXecC.A.q8.V_ARBB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55860 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C498B8.3DD7E520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: URL: Cold Fusion Back From the Dead - U.S. EnergyAhoy Vorts! Just thought I'd pass along a couple of things that may be of = interest, one is wireless computer networking related, and the other is = health related. First of all, as some may remember, I switched over to = running Linux for an operating system a couple of years ago. The = switchover fit well with my general philosophies of life and how to live = it, and for the most part, it has been extremely rewarding. So much so, = that I've managed to convince a number of other people to make the = switch as well. The switch has not been entirely without its challenges = however, and that is the reason for this posting. About a year ago, I convinced my boss that he could save a lot of = money, down time, and security worries if he switched his two networks = over to Linux. He bought the idea, and we switched over most (but not = all) of computers to pure Linux. After a short adjustment period, = everyone at work was quite happy with the performance gains and = dependability of the system and programs. My boss also got the bug to = go wireless shortly afterword with a few of the machines, and that was = where I ran into The Wall. I researched and did experiments for hundreds of hours on how to make = a wireless adaptor work under Linux - all for naught. There are many = people who have done it successfully, but it is not an easy thing to do. = It takes the skills of an electrical engineer, and systems level = programmer to achieve success. I finally ran across an e-mail with the = magic words "Wireless Ethernet Bridge" as the answer. If you are = wanting to go wireless on a Linux box or any other non Windoze machine = for that matter, and you don't want to go back to college for two more = (albeit very useful) degrees, do a Google on "Wireless Ethernet Bridge". Health Tip: Do a Google on "sprouts". Then, don't walk - RUN to your = nearest health food store, and get the stuff you need to grow them. = Grow them, stick them in your mouth, chew them up and swallow them. = Again, I've spent tens of thousands of hours experimenting with a lot of = various substances in my life, and this is probably the most intelligent = and rewarding thing that I've done in years. Have Fun! Knuke ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C498B8.3DD7E520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: URL: Cold Fusion Back From the Dead - U.S. = Energy

Ahoy Vorts!

Just thought I'd = pass along a=20 couple of things that may be of interest, one is wireless computer = networking=20 related, and the other is health related. First of all, as some = may=20 remember, I switched over to running Linux for an operating=20 system a couple of years ago. The switchover fit well = with my=20 general philosophies of life and how to live it, and for the most part, = it has=20 been extremely rewarding. So much so, that I've managed to = convince a=20 number of other people to make the switch as well. The switch has = not been=20 entirely without its challenges however, and that is the reason for this = posting.

About a year ago, I = convinced my=20 boss that he could save a lot of money, down time, and security = worries if=20 he switched his two networks over to Linux. He bought the idea, = and we=20 switched over most (but not all) of computers to pure = Linux. After a=20 short adjustment period, everyone at work was quite happy with the=20 performance gains and dependability of the system and = programs. My=20 boss also got the bug to go wireless shortly afterword with a few = of the=20 machines, and that was where I ran into The Wall.

I researched and = did=20 experiments for hundreds of hours on how to make a wireless adaptor = work=20 under Linux - all for naught. There are many people who have = done it=20 successfully, but it is not an easy thing to do. It takes the = skills of an=20 electrical engineer, and systems level programmer to achieve = success. =20 I finally ran across an e-mail with the magic words "Wireless Ethernet = Bridge"=20 as the answer. If you are wanting to go wireless on a Linux box or = any=20 other non Windoze machine for that matter, and you don't want to go back = to=20 college for two more (albeit very useful) degrees, do a Google on = "Wireless=20 Ethernet Bridge".

Health Tip: Do a = Google on=20 "sprouts". Then, don't walk - RUN to your nearest health food = store,=20 and get the stuff you need to grow them. Grow them, stick them in = your=20 mouth, chew them up and swallow them. Again, I've spent tens = of=20 thousands of hours experimenting with a lot of various substances = in my=20 life, and this is probably the most intelligent and rewarding thing that = I've=20 done in years.

Have Fun!

Knuke

------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C498B8.3DD7E520-- From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Sep 13 08:02:54 2004 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i8DF2nbF011842; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 08:02:49 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i8DF2gn6011796; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 08:02:42 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 08:02:42 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <004101c499a0$f2878000$8837fea9@pacbell.net> From: "Jones Beene" To: "vortex" Subject: Gravity and Inverse logic Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 07:50:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003E_01C49966.45919820" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55861 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C49966.45919820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There is a newer version of an old story in today's science news. The = Pioneer 10 and 11 probes - launched more than 30 years ago - appear to = be in the grip of a mysterious force that is holding them back as they = finally sweep out of our solar system.=20 http://education.guardian.co.uk/higher/sciences/story/0,12243,1302857,00.= html This has been discussed before on vortex in the context of dark matter = and all manner of weirder ideas... but perhaps not with this particular = slant. BTW if the (now) small anomaly was due to dark matter, one might = expect an increase, not a decrease in velocity... unless, that is, = "local" gravity acts as a "shield" for a non-local force. Of course, if = we were seeing the first signs of "curvature" that might explain things, = as constant velocity on a curved path will look like deceleration to a = distant observer. But that should not vary with distance. When we consider our 3-space, we find what is often called the = "universal law of gravitation" and G the universal gravitation constant, = which is an example of an inverse square law force, like Coulomb's law, = etc. The force is always attractive and acts along the line joining the = centers of mass of the two masses... at least, in our 3-space. But what if the Pioneer probes are emerging into 4-space, where a = different power law is in effect? Conversely, what if gravity itself is = only one layer, of many, in a hierarchical aether? Well, for one thing - assuming that nature doesn't recognize inverse = squares of "fractions" or inverse fractional powers, then once Pioneer = gets totally clear of the 3-space to 4-space interface, we could witness = a very dramatic slowing. But that will be many decades from now. Huh? What did I suggest... Gravity getting progressively weaker for a = while at a certain rate (inverse square), and then suddenly = "effectively" stronger? How could that be, unless gravity acts as a = local shield? And the larger implication is cosmological. We have always assumed that = our galaxy is held together by an inverse square law, but if not... what = if it were just a pure inverse distance relationship, past a certain = dimensional interface? That would make those "distant" stars... you know the ones with planets, = a few of which have probably evolved life-forms... a lot close than we = once thought.=20 IOW... we "thought" from the effects of "universal" gravity that Sirius = was 8.7 light years away but in actuality it is less than 3 light years = instead. But don't get your hopes up Robin, that possibility isn't going = to help physical-UFO proponents very much, as it is still way the hell = away from good old mother Gaia... Jones Maybe some answers will turn up here: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/09/040908091101.htm ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C49966.45919820 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

There is a newer version of an old story in today's science news. = The=20 Pioneer 10 and 11 probes - launched more than 30 years ago - appear to = be in the=20 grip of a mysterious force that is holding them back as they finally = sweep out=20 of our solar system.

http://education.guardian.co.uk/higher/sciences/story/0,122= 43,1302857,00.html

This has been discussed before on vortex in the context of dark = matter and=20 all manner of weirder ideas... but perhaps not with this particular = slant. BTW=20 if the (now) small anomaly was due to dark matter, one might expect an = increase,=20 not a decrease in velocity... unless, that is, "local" gravity = acts=20 as a "shield" for a non-local force. Of course, if we were = seeing the=20 first signs of "curvature" that might explain things, as constant = velocity on a=20 curved path will look like deceleration to a distant observer. But that = should=20 not vary with distance.

When we consider our 3-space, we find what is often called the = "universal=20 law of gravitation" and G the universal gravitation constant, = which is an=20 example of an inverse square law force, like Coulomb's law, etc. The = force is=20 always attractive and acts along the line joining the centers of mass of = the two=20 masses... at least, in our 3-space.

But what if the Pioneer probes are emerging into 4-space, where a = different=20 power law is in effect? Conversely, what if gravity itself is only = one=20 layer, of many, in a hierarchical aether?

Well, for one thing - assuming that nature doesn't recognize = inverse=20 squares of "fractions" or inverse fractional powers, then once Pioneer = gets=20 totally clear of the 3-space to 4-space interface, we could witness a = very=20 dramatic slowing. But that will be many decades from now.

Huh? What did I suggest... Gravity getting progressively weaker for = a while=20 at a certain rate (inverse square), and then suddenly "effectively" = stronger?=20 How could that be, unless gravity acts as a local shield?

And the larger implication is cosmological. We have always assumed = that our=20 galaxy is held together by an inverse square law, but if not... what if = it were=20 just a pure inverse distance relationship, past a certain dimensional=20 interface?

That would make those "distant" stars... you know the ones with = planets, a=20 few of which have probably evolved life-forms... a lot close than we = once=20 thought.

IOW... we "thought" from the effects of "universal" gravity that = Sirius was=20 8.7 light years away but in actuality it is less than 3 light years = instead. But=20 don't get your hopes up Robin, that possibility isn't going to help = physical-UFO=20 proponents very much, as it is still way the hell away from good old = mother=20 Gaia...

Jones

Maybe some answers will turn up here:

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------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C49966.45919820-- From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Sep 13 10:58:24 2004 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i8DHwEbF023718; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 10:58:14 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i8DHwB20023621; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 10:58:11 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 10:58:11 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <410-22004911316573780@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: fjsparber@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.42.0 (Windows) From: "Frederick Sparber" To: "vortex-l" Subject: Re: Gravity and Inverse logic Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:57:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 0b1c9d71006e06a171639b933de7ae6f7e972de0d01da940d7f5828ef00c5fbd36197ff9a3592ff6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.240.75.220 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55862 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Jones Beene wrote: > > BTW if the (now) small anomaly was due to dark matter, one might expect an > increase, not a decrease in velocity... unless, that is, "local" gravity acts > as a "shield" for a non-local force. > If my contention (argued on CompuServe years ago) that the vacuum light speed c varies throughout space depending on local gravity. A slight increase in c means that the craft mass m = E/c^2 decreases slightly. But, the interogation signal to and from the spacecraft gets there and back sooner, making it look like the craft is slowing down. :-) Do you mean 4 space or floor-space, Jones? Frederick ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII

Jones Beene wrote:

> BTW if the (now) small anomaly was due to dark matter, one might expect an
> increase, not a decrease in velocity... unless, that is, "local" gravity acts
> as a "shield" for a non-local force.

If my contention (argued on CompuServe years ago) that the vacuum light speed c varies throughout space

depending on local gravity.

A slight increase in c means that the craft mass m = E/c^2 decreases slightly. But, the interogation signal

to and from the spacecraft gets there and back sooner, making it look like the craft is slowing down. :-)

Do you mean 4 space or floor-space, Jones?

Frederick

------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Sep 13 13:08:52 2004 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i8DK8jU1024006; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 13:08:46 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i8DK8hY2023983; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 13:08:43 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 13:08:43 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f From: FZNIDARSIC@aol.com Message-ID: <55.616764da.2e775842@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 16:08:34 EDT Subject: If your walking past a bookstore in October 2004 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_55.616764da.2e775842_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6808 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55863 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --part1_55.616764da.2e775842_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If your walking past a bookstore in October 2004, pick up a copy of "Popular= =20 Mechanics"=A0 October 2004.=A0 I have a short comment published there on pag= e 16.=A0=20 It is not much, however, taken in scope my publications (radio talk, and TV)= =20 are starting to add up. Partial publication list enjoy Frank Znidarsic --part1_55.616764da.2e775842_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If your walking past a bookstore in= October 2004, pick up a copy of "Popular Mechanics"=A0 October 2004.=A0 I h= ave a short comment published there on page 16.=A0 It is not much, however,=20= taken in scope my publications (radio talk, and TV) are starting to add up.=20= Partial pu= blication list

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--part1_e5.10a4168.2e776815_boundary-- From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Sep 14 01:05:05 2004 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i8E84ngP009218; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 01:04:49 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i8E84b0u009160; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 01:04:37 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 01:04:37 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f From: Robin van Spaandonk To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EV's again Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 18:04:24 +1000 Organization: Improving Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 2.0/32.652 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ultra6.eskimo.com id i8E84UgP009113 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55865 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, Suppose one has a toroid with a negative charge of several thousand e-. Let it have it's major axis horizontal, and pointing left and right. Now let there be a neutral atom of say oxygen on the right hand side. The oxygen atom will form a dipole in the field of the toroid, and the dipole will be attracted toward the toroid. As it approaches the dipole will get stronger and stronger, until eventually a point is reached where the electrons are stripped from the oxygen nucleus altogether, and the nucleus is free to accelerate full throttle toward the centre of the toroid. Now let another atom, say silicon exist on the left hand side of the toroid at the same time, and let it undergo a similar process. By the time the two nuclei are slowed down by their own positive field repulsion in the centre of the toroid, they already have too much momentum to stop, and the nuclear binding force can take over and fuse them. The result of the fusion may be a heavier nucleus and an alpha particle, as in e.g. : Si28 + O16 -> Ca40 + He4 + 6.2 MeV The ejection of the alpha particle gives a momentum kick to the Ca40, and they take off in opposite directions, leaving the EV (oops, toroid ;), to go about it's business. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk Check out http://www.betavote.com/ From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Sep 14 02:19:41 2004 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i8E9Jb7A011707; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 02:19:37 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i8E9JWoH011665; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 02:19:32 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 02:19:32 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <410-22004921481856620@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: fjsparber@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.42.0 (Windows) From: "Frederick Sparber" To: "vortex-l" Subject: Re: Hydrino-Like Hydrogen in Aqueous Na or K Aluminates? Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 03:18:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 0b1c9d71006e06a171639b933de7ae6f7e972de0d01da940be8653dd2aff7bd86f6a5c9cf0ec0040350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.240.78.243 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55866 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sodium or Potassium Aluminates can be made by dissolving aluminum foil or cans in warm aqueous sodium or potassium hydroxide solution: "2 Al(s) + 2 K+ (aq) + 2 OH- (aq) + 6 H2O(l) -> 2 K+ (aq) + 2 Al(OH)4- (aq) + 3H2 (g)" "Cut about 1g (±0.01 g) of aluminum metal from your can. Use steel wool to remove material coating the aluminum and cut the aluminum into very small pieces. Place these in a 150-mL beaker. Add 25 mL of 4 M KOH to the aluminum pieces cautiously. " "Warm the beaker gently to initiate the reaction. Gas is evolved in this reaction; make sure this reaction occurs in a well-ventilated area. What gas is generated? When no further reaction of aluminum is evident, gravity filter the warm solution to remove any insoluble impurities." Is any of the H2 "Hydrino Hydride"? The second part of an experiment would consist of adding hot distilled/deionized water to the aluminate solution while doing calorimetry to see if there is any exothermal activity, especially if the new mix is heated. An interesting side note" http://www.scienceblog.com/community/older/2002/D/20024869.html "The chemistry of concentrated sodium aluminate solutions stored in many of the large, underground storage tanks containing high-level waste (HLW) at the Hanford and Savannah River Nuclear Reservations is an area of recent research interest. Not only is the presence of aluminate in solution important for continued safe storage of these wastes, the nature of both solid and solution aluminum oxy-hydroxides is very important for waste pretreatment. Moreover, for many tanks that have leaked high aluminum waste in the past, little is known about the speciation of Al in the soil. In this study, Raman spectroscopy has been used to investigate the speciation of the aqueous species in the Al2O3 -- Na2O -- H2O system over a wide range of solution compositions and hydration." And relating to hydrogen generation in rad waste tanks: http://www.pnl.gov/tws/reports/11297.html "Executive Summary" "The purpose of this report is to review recent progress made in determining the chemical mechanisms, kinetics, and stoichiometry of gas generation in Hanford waste tanks. Information has been gathered from the results of laboratory studies with simulated wastes, laboratory studies with actual waste core samples (Tanks SY-101 and SY-103), studies of thermal and radiolytic reactions in the gas phase, and gas solubility evaluations. In-tank gas composition data are also briefly reviewed." Interesting, Jones? Frederick ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII

Sodium or Potassium Aluminates can be made by dissolving aluminum foil or cans in

warm aqueous sodium or potassium hydroxide solution:

"2 Al(s) + 2 K⁺ (aq) + 2 OH^- (aq) + 6 H₂O(l) -> 2 K⁺ (aq) + 2 Al(OH)₄^- (aq) + 3H₂ (g)"

"Cut about 1g (±0.01 g) of aluminum metal from your can. Use steel wool to remove material coating the aluminum and cut the aluminum into very small pieces. Place these in a 150-mL beaker. Add 25 mL of 4 M KOH to the aluminum pieces cautiously. "

"Warm the beaker gently to initiate the reaction. Gas is evolved in this reaction; make sure this reaction occurs in a well-ventilated area. What gas is generated? When no further reaction of aluminum is evident, gravity filter the warm solution to remove any insoluble impurities."

Is any of the H2 "Hydrino Hydride"?

The second part of an experiment would consist of adding hot distilled/deionized water to

the aluminate solution while doing calorimetry to see if there is any exothermal activity, especially

if the new mix is heated.

An interesting side note"

http://www.scienceblog.com/community/older/2002/D/20024869.html

"The chemistry of concentrated sodium aluminate solutions stored in many of the large, underground storage tanks containing high-level waste (HLW) at the Hanford and Savannah River Nuclear Reservations is an area of recent research interest. Not only is the presence of aluminate in solution important for continued safe storage of these wastes, the nature of both solid and solution aluminum oxy-hydroxides is very important for waste pretreatment. Moreover, for many tanks that have leaked high aluminum waste in the past, little is known about the speciation of Al in the soil. In this study, Raman spectroscopy has been used to investigate the speciation of the aqueous species in the Al2O3 -- Na2O -- H2O system over a wide range of solution compositions and hydration."

And relating to hydrogen generation in rad waste tanks:

http://www.pnl.gov/tws/reports/11297.html

"Executive Summary"

"The purpose of this report is to review recent progress made in determining the chemical mechanisms, kinetics, and stoichiometry of gas generation in Hanford waste tanks. Information has been gathered from the results of laboratory studies with simulated wastes, laboratory studies with actual waste core samples (Tanks SY-101 and SY-103), studies of thermal and radiolytic reactions in the gas phase, and gas solubility evaluations. In-tank gas composition data are also briefly reviewed."

Interesting, Jones?

Frederick

------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Sep 14 08:40:37 2004 Received: from ultra6.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i8EFeIgP024024; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 08:40:18 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra6.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i8EFeGrd023999; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 08:40:16 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 08:40:16 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra6.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <410-220049214143942220@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: fjsparber@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.42.0 (Windows) From: "Frederick Sparber" To: "vortex-l" Subject: Re: Electronium Shell Game? Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 09:39:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 0b1c9d71006e06a171639b933de7ae6f7e972de0d01da940a94aaeeb7114679d589e815ffa8e0166350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.240.165.68 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55867 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII If the Electronium particle (twice the mass of the electron, but with same charge and spin) exists in nature it can be tied up about anywhere in the "the electron shells" of an atom or molecule. But, if it is knocked loose (PAGD, Griggs-Potapov Pump, etc.) so that it can combine with Hydrogen with a higher energy release, over-unity effects can occur. Some ionization and shell energies of Ni, Pd, and other metals can be approximated from these data. http://www.chemistrycoach.com/ionization_potentials_f.htm The "quantum jump" photon energy/frequency for a Electronium particle in hydrogen is Twice that given in this applet,. The ground state (-27.2 ev) orbit radius, and other orbit radii, and orbital velocity is 1/2 that of the Bohr atom. Frederick ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII

If the Electronium particle (twice the mass of the electron, but with same charge and spin) exists in nature

it can be tied up about anywhere in the "the electron shells" of an atom or molecule.

But, if it is knocked loose (PAGD, Griggs-Potapov Pump, etc.) so that it can combine with Hydrogen

with a higher energy release, over-unity effects can occur.

Some ionization and shell energies of Ni, Pd, and other metals can be approximated from these data.

http://www.chemistrycoach.com/ionization_potentials_f.htm

The "quantum jump" photon energy/frequency for a Electronium particle in hydrogen is Twice that given in this applet,.

The ground state (-27.2 ev) orbit radius, and other orbit radii, and orbital velocity is 1/2 that of the Bohr atom.

Frederick

------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Sep 14 09:05:41 2004 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smartlst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i8EG5X7A012481; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 09:05:33 -0700 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i8EG5VGf012461; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 09:05:31 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 09:05:31 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to vortex-l-request@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: <410-22004921415456960@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: fjsparber@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.42.0 (Windows) From: "Frederick Sparber" To: "vortex-l" Subject: Re: Electronium Shell Game? Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:04:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 0b1c9d71006e06a171639b933de7ae6f7e972de0d01da940b9e8b74fd26ad24c4f96010cd1b64af3350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.240.162.138 Resent-Message-ID: <1PxPSC.A.jCD.LbxRBB@ultra5.eskimo.com> Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55868 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Oops, left out the Bohr Atom Applet Link. > The "quantum jump" photon energy/frequency for a Electronium particle in hydrogen is Twice that given in this applet,. > The ground state (-27.2 ev) orbit radius, and other orbit radii, and orbital velocity is 1/2 that of the Bohr atom. http://lectureonline.cl.msu.edu/~mmp/kap29/Bohr/app.htm Sorry about that. Frederick ----- Original Message ----- From: Frederick Sparber To: vortex-l Sent: 9/14/04 10:40:20 AM Subject: Re: Electronium Shell Game? If the Electronium particle (twice the mass of the electron, but with same charge and spin) exists in nature it can be tied up about anywhere in the "the electron shells" of an atom or molecule. But, if it is knocked loose (PAGD, Griggs-Potapov Pump, etc.) so that it can combine with Hydrogen with a higher energy release, over-unity effects can occur. Some ionization and shell energies of Ni, Pd, and other metals can be approximated from these data. http://www.chemistrycoach.com/ionization_potentials_f.htm The "quantum jump" photon energy/frequency for a Electronium particle in hydrogen is Twice that given in this applet,. The ground state (-27.2 ev) orbit radius, and other orbit radii, and orbital velocity is 1/2 that of the Bohr atom. Frederick ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII

Oops, left out the Bohr Atom Applet Link.

> The "quantum jump" photon energy/frequency for a Electronium particle in hydrogen is Twice that given in this applet,.

> The ground state (-27.2 ev) orbit radius, and other orbit radii, and orbital velocity is 1/2 that of the Bohr atom.

http://lectureonline.cl.msu.edu/~mmp/kap29/Bohr/app.htm

Sorry about that.

Frederick

----- Original Message -----

From: Frederick Sparber

To: vortex-l

Sent: 9/14/04 10:40:20 AM

Subject: Re: Electronium Shell Game?

If the Electronium particle (twice the mass of the electron, but with same charge and spin) exists in nature

it can be tied up about anywhere in the "the electron shells" of an atom or molecule.

But, if it is knocked loose (PAGD, Griggs-Potapov Pump, etc.) so that it can combine with Hydrogen

with a higher energy release, over-unity effects can occur.

Some ionization and shell energies of Ni, Pd, and other metals can be approximated from these data.

http://www.chemistrycoach.com/ionization_potentials_f.htm

The "quantum jump" photon energy/frequency for a Electronium particle in hydrogen is Twice that given in this applet,.

The ground state (-27.2 ev) orbit radius, and other orbit radii, and orbital velocity is 1/2 that of the Bohr atom.

Frederick

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