[00:04.090 --> 00:09.710] [SPEAKER_15]: Kent Barwick is the president of the Municipal Arts Council, one of the groups that filed suit against the city.
[00:09.930 --> 00:20.610] [SPEAKER_15]: Although he says the sale will probably go through, he questions the soundness of a fiscal policy which depends on what he calls a one-time cash infusion from the sale of an important piece of public property.
[00:20.830 --> 00:29.310] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like somebody selling their grandmother's bracelet in order to pay the rent.
[00:31.050 --> 00:32.710] [SPEAKER_02]: And cities can't do that.
[00:33.350 --> 00:39.670] [SPEAKER_15]: Dinkins, however, said because he plans to raise taxes and cut services, the sale is only being viewed as one way to raise revenues.
[00:39.670 --> 00:43.090] [SPEAKER_15]: The final budget will have to be approved by the Board of Estimates in June.
[00:43.290 --> 00:45.410] [SPEAKER_15]: For WBAI, I'm Lauren Kamato.
[00:52.500 --> 00:56.160] [SPEAKER_14]: And that's some of the news for Thursday, February 1, 1990.
[00:56.560 --> 00:58.580] [SPEAKER_14]: The news was engineered by Natalie Budeles.
[00:58.580 --> 01:05.090] [SPEAKER_14]: It was produced with Jenny Bourne, Evelyn Tully-Costa, David Sears, Nadine Michelle Shaw, and Ricky Vecchio.
[01:05.440 --> 01:11.260] [SPEAKER_14]: I'm Amy Goodman in New York with Michael Beattie in Washington for WBAI listener-supported news.
[01:36.310 --> 01:38.250] [SPEAKER_01]: And this is Emmanuel Goldstein.
[01:38.890 --> 01:40.750] [SPEAKER_01]: The program is the fifth quarter.
[01:43.030 --> 01:46.550] [SPEAKER_01]: The music is computer-driven.
[01:46.550 --> 01:47.550] [SPEAKER_01]: thousand.
[02:01.190 --> 02:02.170] [SPEAKER_00]: It's over once.
[02:08.130 --> 02:09.530] [SPEAKER_17]: Themakismist.
[02:14.230 --> 02:15.630] [SPEAKER_02]: 1000.
[02:59.440 --> 03:07.170] [SPEAKER_06]: The day with Michael Hewitt does not believe at least
[03:26.790 --> 03:28.310] [SPEAKER_21]: Welcome to Sky Pager.
[03:30.670 --> 03:31.270] [SPEAKER_21]: Beepers.
[03:39.540 --> 03:40.140] [SPEAKER_21]: Beepers.
[03:40.280 --> 03:41.680] [SPEAKER_21]: Welcome to Sky Pager.
[03:42.380 --> 03:44.340] [SPEAKER_21]: Grab the pound key after each entry.
[03:44.700 --> 03:46.280] [SPEAKER_21]: Please enter the pin number you wish.
[03:46.660 --> 03:47.380] [SPEAKER_21]: Sky Pager.
[03:47.640 --> 03:48.440] [SPEAKER_21]: Sky Pager.
[03:48.780 --> 03:49.500] [SPEAKER_21]: Sky Pager.
[03:49.940 --> 03:50.540] [SPEAKER_21]: Beepers.
[03:50.940 --> 03:51.580] [SPEAKER_21]: Sky Pager.
[03:51.900 --> 03:54.100] [SPEAKER_21]: Enter the telephone number when you're very clever.
[03:54.440 --> 03:55.720] [SPEAKER_21]: Sky Pager.
[03:55.720 --> 03:58.420] [SPEAKER_12]: I'm rollin' like a, rollin' like a, rollin' like a Playboy.
[03:58.580 --> 03:59.200] [SPEAKER_12]: Beep, beep, beep.
[03:59.440 --> 04:01.360] [SPEAKER_12]: Just another page, just another freak.
[04:01.640 --> 04:03.460] [SPEAKER_12]: Cops say I'm bangin', girls say I'm slagin'.
[04:10.980 --> 04:14.020] [SPEAKER_12]: Looks like a phaser, that's the attack of a Northwest player.
[04:14.300 --> 04:16.020] [SPEAKER_12]: I'm San Jose, I gotta show.
[04:16.360 --> 04:19.160] [SPEAKER_12]: Tillin' like a champ with a girl in a limo, and there we go again.
[04:19.500 --> 04:22.300] [SPEAKER_12]: I got a beep, the girl got nosy, beggin' for a beep.
[04:22.500 --> 04:24.620] [SPEAKER_12]: Get off me, girl, this is business.
[04:24.980 --> 04:27.840] [SPEAKER_12]: I'm workin' it and you can't witness the Oakland skis, oh.
[04:27.940 --> 04:28.600] [SPEAKER_12]: How do I know?
[04:28.740 --> 04:30.680] [SPEAKER_12]: Cause 415 was the area code.
[04:30.820 --> 04:32.940] [SPEAKER_12]: Turn it off, turn it on, so I won't get busted.
[04:32.940 --> 04:35.240] [SPEAKER_12]: You know rap stars never get trippin'.
[04:35.240 --> 04:37.200] [SPEAKER_12]: Baby wanna kiss, so I put it on vibrate.
[04:37.380 --> 04:38.540] [SPEAKER_12]: How does Mick till I communicate?
[04:39.220 --> 04:39.440] Wee.
[04:45.360 --> 04:46.800] [SPEAKER_12]: How does Mick till I communicate?
[04:47.580 --> 04:51.200] [SPEAKER_12]: 1-800-759-7243.
[04:51.740 --> 04:55.460] [SPEAKER_12]: But if you ain't got that pin number, dummy, you can't call me.
[04:55.880 --> 04:58.200] [SPEAKER_12]: To hook up with Mick, you gotta call that number.
[04:58.500 --> 05:01.140] [SPEAKER_12]: Then sit by the phone and wonder, will he call?
[05:01.140 --> 05:02.240] [SPEAKER_12]: If you're fine, I might.
[05:02.240 --> 05:04.220] [SPEAKER_12]: If you're a duck, goodnight.
[05:04.300 --> 05:06.460] [SPEAKER_12]: I got a sailor, but you can't have my digits.
[05:06.780 --> 05:08.560] [SPEAKER_12]: Motorola beeps and the boy gets with it.
[05:08.820 --> 05:09.520] [SPEAKER_12]: Code 1-2.
[05:09.540 --> 05:11.580] [SPEAKER_12]: Yo, come on, Black, you gonna tell him about me?
[05:11.760 --> 05:12.600] [SPEAKER_12]: What's up with that?
[05:12.700 --> 05:14.520] [SPEAKER_12]: That's Attitude of Jester, my
[05:20.500 --> 05:21.120] dead clout.
[05:21.460 --> 05:23.260] [SPEAKER_12]: Full of young females, yank them on the stage.
[05:23.520 --> 05:25.360] One fell praying when she called that page.
[05:29.520 --> 05:31.500] [SPEAKER_12]: But he never called back, so she called me.
[05:31.500 --> 05:32.640] [SPEAKER_12]: Where's Attitude at?
[05:32.700 --> 05:33.840] [SPEAKER_06]: He was supposed to meet me.
[05:34.100 --> 05:35.720] [SPEAKER_12]: I don't know, but I'm wishing you luck.
[05:35.800 --> 05:37.320] [SPEAKER_12]: And how does Attitude of Jester hook up?
[05:37.480 --> 05:38.100] [SPEAKER_12]: What up with?
[05:38.740 --> 05:39.680] [SPEAKER_12]: Tall baby.
[05:39.860 --> 05:40.340] [SPEAKER_12]: Peepers.
[05:41.140 --> 05:41.540] Tall baby.
[05:43.290 --> 05:43.830] [SPEAKER_12]: Tall baby.
[05:44.110 --> 05:44.590] [SPEAKER_18]: Peepers.
[05:45.390 --> 05:47.240] Tall baby.
[05:47.980 --> 05:48.600] [SPEAKER_21]: Kai Pager.
[05:49.840 --> 05:50.740] [SPEAKER_21]: Kai Pager.
[05:52.220 --> 05:52.780] [SPEAKER_21]: Kai Pager.
[05:53.340 --> 05:53.660] One
[05:58.120 --> 05:59.040] still trying to flaunt.
[05:59.260 --> 06:00.100] [SPEAKER_12]: Walking in a party.
[06:00.280 --> 06:01.080] [SPEAKER_12]: Looking like Joker.
[06:01.320 --> 06:03.280] [SPEAKER_12]: Big ol' six inch garage door opener.
[06:03.560 --> 06:05.240] [SPEAKER_12]: Not me, cause my bank is set.
[06:05.480 --> 06:07.200] [SPEAKER_12]: Three dope Benzos, one Corvette.
[06:07.240 --> 06:08.100] [SPEAKER_12]: I'm not bragging.
[06:08.100 --> 06:09.440] [SPEAKER_12]: I'm moving them things.
[06:09.600 --> 06:11.580] [SPEAKER_12]: Just clocking them dollars at the real estate game.
[06:11.680 --> 06:12.240] [SPEAKER_12]: I Pager.
[06:12.720 --> 06:13.520] [SPEAKER_12]: Telepage Northwest.
[06:13.980 --> 06:14.760] [SPEAKER_12]: Satellite service.
[06:14.940 --> 06:15.700] [SPEAKER_12]: Push to test.
[06:15.790 --> 06:17.520] [SPEAKER_12]: Got a beef from a girl named Natalie.
[06:17.880 --> 06:20.140] [SPEAKER_12]: My memory slipped cause I need a new battery.
[06:20.500 --> 06:22.060] [SPEAKER_12]: Power on, display like us.
[06:22.400 --> 06:24.200] [SPEAKER_12]: Incoming calls from the girls with butts.
[06:24.620 --> 06:26.500] [SPEAKER_12]: Girls fall cause they might get lonely.
[06:27.180 --> 06:28.680] [SPEAKER_12]: I run them like ponies.
[06:28.860 --> 06:30.640] [SPEAKER_12]: Pick them up, put them in the Benzo.
[06:30.840 --> 06:32.780] [SPEAKER_12]: I get a beep and I leave them in limbo.
[06:33.060 --> 06:34.580] [SPEAKER_12]: That's right, I'm living like that.
[06:34.600 --> 06:36.260] [SPEAKER_12]: And what do I keep pinned to the strap?
[06:36.740 --> 06:37.540] [SPEAKER_12]: My beeper.
[06:37.540 --> 06:39.180] [SPEAKER_21]: Baby, beepers.
[06:39.860 --> 06:41.220] [SPEAKER_21]: Welcome to Sky Pager.
[06:41.760 --> 06:42.700] [SPEAKER_21]: Sky Pager.
[06:42.900 --> 06:43.320] [SPEAKER_21]: Beepers.
[06:43.420 --> 06:45.340] [SPEAKER_21]: Enter telephone number when you're married to message.
[06:45.580 --> 06:47.260] [SPEAKER_12]: Oh yeah, girls got them too.
[06:47.420 --> 06:48.380] [SPEAKER_12]: They keep them in their purse.
[06:48.580 --> 06:49.420] [SPEAKER_12]: Playing it cool.
[06:49.700 --> 06:51.460] [SPEAKER_12]: Big players, rolling up fellas.
[06:51.760 --> 06:53.660] [SPEAKER_12]: They coming up but they never will tell us.
[06:53.900 --> 06:54.580] [SPEAKER_12]: Smooth, huh?
[06:54.580 --> 06:55.620] [SPEAKER_12]: I bet you didn't know.
[06:55.760 --> 06:57.700] [SPEAKER_12]: The girl you call dumb was clocking your dough.
[06:58.000 --> 06:59.840] [SPEAKER_12]: Jock and ball players and never getting tossed.
[07:00.060 --> 07:01.720] [SPEAKER_12]: Unworked, every brother on a Seahawks.
[07:02.000 --> 07:04.000] [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, she looks good but she thinks she's swift.
[07:04.240 --> 07:06.100] [SPEAKER_12]: Trying to pull up, oh my mix a lot tip.
[07:06.320 --> 07:07.900] [SPEAKER_12]: Sitting in the movie, she stepped out.
[07:07.960 --> 07:09.780] [SPEAKER_12]: Smooth off, baby girl, I got one too.
[07:09.780 --> 07:10.940] [SPEAKER_12]: I got a...
[07:10.940 --> 07:13.920] [SPEAKER_18]: I got a beeper, beeper, beeper, beeper, beeper, beeper, beeper.
[07:13.920 --> 07:14.520] [SPEAKER_18]: Let's go!
[07:16.360 --> 07:16.960] [SPEAKER_18]: Beepers.
[07:17.360 --> 07:17.760] Beepers.
[07:20.540 --> 07:21.140] [SPEAKER_18]: Beepers.
[07:21.980 --> 07:22.260] Be
[07:38.310 --> 07:40.110] [SPEAKER_12]: fine and you better be stacked my beeper.
[07:40.150 --> 07:41.750] [SPEAKER_21]: Thank you for calling Sky Pager.
[07:42.590 --> 07:43.190] [SPEAKER_18]: Beepers.
[07:43.590 --> 07:43.890] [SPEAKER_18]: Beepers.
[07:43.890 --> 07:44.250] [SPEAKER_18]: Beepers.
[07:44.970 --> 07:46.350] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, what are you going to do without them?
[07:47.090 --> 07:47.950] [SPEAKER_01]: Beepers, they're everywhere.
[07:48.410 --> 07:49.330] [SPEAKER_01]: Everybody's got a beeper.
[07:49.750 --> 07:52.150] [SPEAKER_01]: You may not even know you have a beeper, but you've got one.
[07:53.250 --> 07:57.650] [SPEAKER_01]: And that was Sir Mix-a-Lot with the song.
[07:57.650 --> 07:58.770] [SPEAKER_01]: What I understand is a hit.
[07:58.770 --> 07:59.690] [SPEAKER_01]: I just discovered this.
[07:59.810 --> 08:03.430] [SPEAKER_01]: Somebody just played it for me the other day and said, Hey, man, you'll love this.
[08:03.590 --> 08:07.450] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you like technology and playing around with things.
[08:07.490 --> 08:08.450] [SPEAKER_01]: This song is for you.
[08:08.590 --> 08:10.410] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, turns out it's been a hit or something.
[08:10.570 --> 08:12.930] [SPEAKER_01]: It's on MTV and all the other stations.
[08:12.930 --> 08:18.530] [SPEAKER_01]: In fact, I'll bet, I'll just bet, we snagged a few people roaming up the FM dial.
[08:18.530 --> 08:24.490] [SPEAKER_01]: You think this is the hip house station or, you know, we're going to play a lot of rap and house music.
[08:24.590 --> 08:24.850] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh-uh.
[08:25.110 --> 08:25.670] [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no.
[08:25.770 --> 08:26.550] [SPEAKER_01]: No, we don't do that.
[08:26.610 --> 08:27.190] [SPEAKER_01]: We do it sometimes.
[08:27.190 --> 08:29.870] [SPEAKER_01]: But this is a very strange place.
[08:29.870 --> 08:32.650] [SPEAKER_01]: This is WBAI in New York.
[08:32.990 --> 08:38.070] [SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of people tune in and they never tune out.
[08:39.390 --> 08:40.070] [SPEAKER_01]: It's scary.
[08:40.070 --> 08:43.690] [SPEAKER_01]: So, uh, if you happened upon us by accident, something to think about.
[08:45.130 --> 08:47.910] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we, um, we've got some things to talk about.
[08:48.090 --> 08:52.430] [SPEAKER_01]: Of course, of course, we'll be taking your phone calls in just a little bit.
[08:52.430 --> 08:55.330] [SPEAKER_01]: Talking about, uh, high tech, the abuses thereof.
[08:55.970 --> 08:58.110] [SPEAKER_01]: And, uh, the potential abuses.
[08:59.250 --> 09:03.710] [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I, I had kind of, uh, an interesting high tech story of my own.
[09:03.850 --> 09:07.610] [SPEAKER_01]: Actually, it doesn't have a blessed thing to do with, uh, with telephones this time.
[09:07.750 --> 09:08.930] [SPEAKER_01]: Or even computer hacking.
[09:09.530 --> 09:11.190] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, it's got to do with cars.
[09:11.730 --> 09:12.090] [SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
[09:12.590 --> 09:12.990] [SPEAKER_01]: Automobiles.
[09:12.990 --> 09:21.070] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, I've got this, uh, this automobile that, uh, that has been acting as if it's, um, possessed by demons.
[09:21.490 --> 09:23.210] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's, it's incredible.
[09:23.590 --> 09:25.010] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I was driving along.
[09:25.230 --> 09:26.450] [SPEAKER_01]: This only happened about a month ago.
[09:26.790 --> 09:27.510] [SPEAKER_01]: The first time.
[09:27.650 --> 09:29.270] [SPEAKER_01]: The very first time.
[09:29.270 --> 09:34.090] [SPEAKER_01]: In a long string of, of seriously scary events.
[09:35.350 --> 09:37.290] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, driving along.
[09:37.750 --> 09:39.910] [SPEAKER_01]: And all of a sudden, I realized something's missing.
[09:40.570 --> 09:41.650] [SPEAKER_01]: What's missing from my car?
[09:41.830 --> 09:43.150] [SPEAKER_01]: The, the dashboard lights!
[09:43.290 --> 09:44.750] [SPEAKER_01]: There's no dashboard lights!
[09:45.330 --> 09:50.270] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm looking straight ahead and there's nothing but darkness underneath the, uh, uh, the, the glass there.
[09:50.330 --> 09:51.810] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's, it's all dark.
[09:52.410 --> 09:54.050] [SPEAKER_01]: Can't see how fast I'm going.
[09:54.210 --> 09:55.570] [SPEAKER_01]: Can't see how much gas I have.
[09:56.410 --> 09:59.050] [SPEAKER_01]: Can't see if any of the little lights are on.
[09:59.210 --> 10:00.150] [SPEAKER_01]: Or anything like that.
[10:00.470 --> 10:05.070] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, can't see a little map of my car that tells me where the front is and where the back is.
[10:05.150 --> 10:07.130] [SPEAKER_01]: And if a door's open, you know, a little light lights up.
[10:07.230 --> 10:07.810] [SPEAKER_01]: Can't see any of that.
[10:07.970 --> 10:08.290] [SPEAKER_01]: All out.
[10:08.890 --> 10:10.030] [SPEAKER_01]: And I said, oh boy.
[10:10.310 --> 10:12.330] [SPEAKER_01]: Some weird light somewhere must have burned out.
[10:12.450 --> 10:13.370] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to have to get it fixed.
[10:14.690 --> 10:17.170] [SPEAKER_01]: Didn't think about it until the next day when I was driving along.
[10:17.330 --> 10:20.730] [SPEAKER_01]: And suddenly I realized, the dashboard light isn't out.
[10:21.090 --> 10:21.790] [SPEAKER_01]: It's on.
[10:22.410 --> 10:26.030] [SPEAKER_01]: So, either I was imagining it last night, or...
[10:26.030 --> 10:27.370] [SPEAKER_01]: It fixed itself.
[10:27.570 --> 10:28.110] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's it.
[10:28.570 --> 10:32.210] [SPEAKER_01]: In this wonderful day and age, technology fixes itself.
[10:32.970 --> 10:34.370] [SPEAKER_01]: We don't ask why.
[10:35.170 --> 10:41.010] [SPEAKER_01]: As long as it's working again, we'll make a little silent agreement not to think about it again.
[10:41.210 --> 10:46.110] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I was content to do that, but my car was not content to do that.
[10:46.110 --> 10:51.650] [SPEAKER_01]: But the next day, this is day three, my left turn signal stopped working.
[10:52.890 --> 10:53.870] [SPEAKER_01]: Just stopped working.
[10:55.090 --> 10:58.550] [SPEAKER_01]: It hit the left turn signal and nothing happened.
[10:59.530 --> 11:04.470] [SPEAKER_01]: And so I said, wow, I guess that funny little light that controls the left turn signal must have burned out.
[11:04.670 --> 11:07.310] [SPEAKER_01]: Or maybe the little thing that goes click, click, click burned out.
[11:07.490 --> 11:08.710] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have to get a new one of those.
[11:09.590 --> 11:11.070] [SPEAKER_01]: So I made a mental note of that.
[11:12.150 --> 11:17.170] [SPEAKER_01]: Later on that same day, as I was making a left turn, I suddenly noticed it was working.
[11:20.410 --> 11:24.870] [SPEAKER_01]: Then, the inside light stopped working and started working again.
[11:27.710 --> 11:28.830] [SPEAKER_01]: And there was something else.
[11:28.990 --> 11:30.030] [SPEAKER_01]: There were a bunch of other things.
[11:30.190 --> 11:39.410] [SPEAKER_01]: There was hazard lights and all kinds of little control panel type things that you get on these cars.
[11:39.490 --> 11:48.130] [SPEAKER_01]: I figured something is wrong with some minute detail here that's affecting everything on this whole car.
[11:48.270 --> 11:50.710] [SPEAKER_01]: It's acting as if it's possessed by something.
[11:50.710 --> 11:53.210] [SPEAKER_01]: So I took it in to get looked at.
[11:53.730 --> 11:59.630] [SPEAKER_01]: And they said, yeah, it's a printed circuit board needs to be repaired.
[11:59.870 --> 12:01.150] [SPEAKER_01]: Printed circuit board in a car?
[12:01.290 --> 12:03.390] [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know they had printed circuit boards in cars.
[12:03.750 --> 12:05.930] [SPEAKER_01]: I said, yeah, it's a computer thing.
[12:06.070 --> 12:06.830] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's...
[12:06.830 --> 12:08.470] [SPEAKER_01]: Auto mechanics talk to me about computers.
[12:09.050 --> 12:10.750] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, they affect things.
[12:10.910 --> 12:13.170] [SPEAKER_01]: And we'll just send it out and get it replaced.
[12:13.710 --> 12:14.390] [SPEAKER_01]: I said, fine.
[12:14.550 --> 12:15.190] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, great.
[12:15.430 --> 12:16.970] [SPEAKER_01]: No more unpredictable things.
[12:17.050 --> 12:17.550] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, the other thing.
[12:17.550 --> 12:17.770] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[12:17.910 --> 12:21.030] [SPEAKER_01]: You know how when you open up the door, it goes, ding dong, ding dong.
[12:21.390 --> 12:24.670] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, one day, I opened up the door and it went, ding dong, ding dong, ding dong.
[12:24.750 --> 12:25.670] [SPEAKER_01]: Like for five minutes.
[12:27.030 --> 12:29.150] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like it was trying to tell me something really desperately.
[12:29.330 --> 12:31.630] [SPEAKER_01]: And I was wondering what that noise was.
[12:31.690 --> 12:32.290] [SPEAKER_01]: What's happening?
[12:33.150 --> 12:34.590] [SPEAKER_01]: Is something horrible going to happen?
[12:35.090 --> 12:36.510] [SPEAKER_01]: The door's going to fall off?
[12:37.410 --> 12:37.610] [SPEAKER_01]: Whew.
[12:38.630 --> 12:40.630] [SPEAKER_01]: So, all those things were going on.
[12:42.230 --> 12:47.250] [SPEAKER_01]: And today, they relieved me by saying, they'll fix it.
[12:47.370 --> 12:52.470] [SPEAKER_01]: They'll get a printed circuit board and insert the thing and I won't have any more problems.
[12:53.910 --> 12:54.090] Whew.
[12:54.730 --> 12:55.130] [SPEAKER_01]: Wonderful.
[12:56.790 --> 12:58.470] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, part two of the story...
[12:58.470 --> 13:00.570] [SPEAKER_01]: And part three is where they're going to merge.
[13:00.770 --> 13:04.430] [SPEAKER_01]: Part two of the story is what I'm going to be doing for the next two weeks.
[13:04.770 --> 13:07.750] [SPEAKER_01]: Occasionally, I like to just sort of take off for the open road.
[13:07.750 --> 13:10.550] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's kind of a weird concept with me.
[13:10.690 --> 13:13.950] [SPEAKER_01]: But every so often, I just sort of think about it.
[13:14.330 --> 13:18.190] [SPEAKER_01]: That whatever street I'm standing on is connected to another street.
[13:18.530 --> 13:20.270] [SPEAKER_01]: And that street connects to another street.
[13:20.350 --> 13:23.430] [SPEAKER_01]: And it keeps connecting and connecting and interweaving and going all over the place.
[13:24.070 --> 13:25.370] [SPEAKER_01]: And you can get anywhere.
[13:26.850 --> 13:27.890] [SPEAKER_01]: You can go north.
[13:27.890 --> 13:28.690] [SPEAKER_01]: You can go south.
[13:28.770 --> 13:29.610] [SPEAKER_01]: You can go east.
[13:29.630 --> 13:31.090] [SPEAKER_01]: We're not very far, but you can go west.
[13:32.190 --> 13:33.390] [SPEAKER_01]: And you can just keep driving.
[13:33.390 --> 13:41.270] [SPEAKER_01]: And if you're able to maneuver things properly in your life, you can just take off.
[13:41.310 --> 13:42.630] [SPEAKER_01]: Anytime you want.
[13:43.230 --> 13:44.830] [SPEAKER_01]: And wander about.
[13:45.370 --> 13:46.950] [SPEAKER_01]: And do strange things.
[13:48.230 --> 13:51.330] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's been about a month since I've done that.
[13:51.330 --> 13:53.950] [SPEAKER_01]: So, obviously, I'm into doing it again.
[13:54.710 --> 13:57.530] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's what I've been planning to do on Saturday.
[13:58.350 --> 14:00.110] [SPEAKER_01]: In fact, that's why I won't be here in two weeks.
[14:00.190 --> 14:04.330] [SPEAKER_01]: Because all things going as planned.
[14:04.330 --> 14:05.610] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll be somewhere out in the Midwest.
[14:06.830 --> 14:09.510] [SPEAKER_01]: But I'll be back in four weeks to tell you all about it.
[14:10.050 --> 14:11.610] [SPEAKER_01]: So, I've got this all planned.
[14:12.230 --> 14:13.690] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going to wander around.
[14:13.750 --> 14:14.630] [SPEAKER_01]: Visit people I know.
[14:14.990 --> 14:16.830] [SPEAKER_01]: And take in the sights.
[14:17.450 --> 14:18.950] [SPEAKER_01]: And take in some cold weather, too.
[14:18.990 --> 14:20.550] [SPEAKER_01]: Because there's just not enough of that around here.
[14:22.410 --> 14:25.530] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, after I left the place...
[14:26.210 --> 14:29.630] [SPEAKER_01]: Actually, I brought my car in to get one of its periodic inspections.
[14:29.890 --> 14:31.170] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you've got to do that every now and then.
[14:31.930 --> 14:33.410] [SPEAKER_01]: It's still under the warranty.
[14:33.750 --> 14:38.610] [SPEAKER_01]: But it's rapidly reaching the stage where it's not going to be under the warranty anymore.
[14:38.610 --> 14:43.190] [SPEAKER_01]: And I can only tremble to think what's going to happen when that occurs.
[14:44.430 --> 14:44.950] [SPEAKER_01]: So...
[14:44.950 --> 14:47.190] [SPEAKER_01]: As I'm driving along...
[14:47.950 --> 14:49.490] [SPEAKER_01]: About an hour later, actually.
[14:49.610 --> 14:51.150] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm driving along and...
[14:51.830 --> 14:53.290] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm expecting something to go wrong.
[14:53.290 --> 14:55.390] [SPEAKER_01]: Because they haven't replaced the printed circuit board yet.
[14:57.350 --> 14:59.250] [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm expecting something weird to happen.
[14:59.330 --> 15:00.570] [SPEAKER_01]: But I wasn't prepared for this.
[15:01.830 --> 15:03.650] [SPEAKER_01]: I looked down...
[15:04.150 --> 15:04.890] [SPEAKER_01]: At the dashboard.
[15:05.770 --> 15:06.710] [SPEAKER_01]: And guess what?
[15:07.970 --> 15:09.090] [SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't moving.
[15:10.330 --> 15:12.550] [SPEAKER_01]: At least, according to the dashboard, I was not moving.
[15:12.550 --> 15:14.030] [SPEAKER_01]: I was going zero miles an hour.
[15:15.270 --> 15:16.470] [SPEAKER_01]: And I said, great!
[15:17.270 --> 15:18.170] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not moving.
[15:18.850 --> 15:20.190] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going zero miles an hour.
[15:20.290 --> 15:21.590] [SPEAKER_01]: The odometer's not even moving.
[15:23.250 --> 15:25.330] [SPEAKER_01]: How could this be hooked into the printed circuit board?
[15:25.370 --> 15:27.530] [SPEAKER_01]: And I soon realized that it wasn't hooked into the printed circuit board.
[15:27.630 --> 15:32.750] [SPEAKER_01]: Those morons, when they had played around with something, had apparently unhooked my speedometer from the car.
[15:33.810 --> 15:35.850] [SPEAKER_01]: So I had no idea how fast I was going.
[15:35.930 --> 15:37.110] [SPEAKER_01]: But more importantly...
[15:39.010 --> 15:41.010] [SPEAKER_01]: I had no idea how far I was going.
[15:41.170 --> 15:42.110] [SPEAKER_01]: And then suddenly I realized...
[15:44.930 --> 15:45.630] [SPEAKER_01]: Wait a minute.
[15:47.190 --> 15:48.070] [SPEAKER_01]: Rather than...
[15:48.070 --> 15:49.830] [SPEAKER_01]: Try to figure out...
[15:50.350 --> 15:51.990] [SPEAKER_01]: How I'm going to manage to...
[15:51.990 --> 15:54.530] [SPEAKER_01]: Go back to this place when I don't have any time...
[15:54.530 --> 15:58.310] [SPEAKER_01]: When I'm scheduled to leave on this 3,000 mile road trip...
[15:59.390 --> 16:00.890] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's look at the other side of this.
[16:01.830 --> 16:03.270] [SPEAKER_01]: What if I don't go in?
[16:03.270 --> 16:06.310] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll go on a 3,000 mile road trip...
[16:06.310 --> 16:07.470] [SPEAKER_01]: Come back...
[16:07.470 --> 16:09.450] [SPEAKER_01]: Without going a single mile on my car.
[16:11.290 --> 16:12.890] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's when I started to believe...
[16:12.890 --> 16:13.630] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe there's a God.
[16:13.790 --> 16:14.970] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe He's on my side.
[16:15.570 --> 16:18.690] [SPEAKER_01]: Of all the times to do something like this...
[16:19.210 --> 16:21.290] [SPEAKER_01]: To fix things in such a way so that...
[16:23.190 --> 16:25.530] [SPEAKER_01]: Your speedometer no longer works...
[16:25.530 --> 16:28.370] [SPEAKER_01]: On the eve of a 3,000 mile trip...
[16:28.870 --> 16:30.970] [SPEAKER_01]: When your car is still under warranty...
[16:30.970 --> 16:32.530] [SPEAKER_01]: And mileage counts...
[16:34.270 --> 16:35.590] [SPEAKER_01]: And you have to go back anyway...
[16:35.590 --> 16:37.030] [SPEAKER_01]: To get a printed circuit board installed...
[16:37.030 --> 16:37.650] [SPEAKER_01]: So you can just say...
[16:37.650 --> 16:38.710] [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, you lummoxes...
[16:39.110 --> 16:40.830] [SPEAKER_01]: Disconnected my speedometer...
[16:40.830 --> 16:42.910] [SPEAKER_01]: A couple of weeks ago when I was in here...
[16:42.910 --> 16:43.750] [SPEAKER_01]: Please hook it up again...
[16:43.750 --> 16:44.190] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'll say...
[16:44.190 --> 16:44.670] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh sure...
[16:44.670 --> 16:45.970] [SPEAKER_01]: And that'll be that...
[16:45.970 --> 16:47.430] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'll have gone 3,000 miles...
[16:47.430 --> 16:49.490] [SPEAKER_01]: And it won't have counted on my car...
[16:49.490 --> 16:50.130] [SPEAKER_01]: Isn't that incredible?
[16:50.490 --> 16:51.110] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean...
[16:51.110 --> 16:53.450] [SPEAKER_01]: Isn't it the most amazing feeling when...
[16:54.050 --> 16:54.450] [SPEAKER_01]: When...
[16:55.290 --> 16:57.230] [SPEAKER_01]: You can be...
[16:58.930 --> 16:59.330] Completely...
[17:00.070 --> 17:00.470] [SPEAKER_01]: Immoral...
[17:00.470 --> 17:02.170] [SPEAKER_01]: Because you have no choice...
[17:03.570 --> 17:04.070] [SPEAKER_01]: You know...
[17:04.070 --> 17:05.830] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean there's no other way to do it...
[17:05.830 --> 17:07.710] [SPEAKER_01]: There's no way I can get it fixed...
[17:07.710 --> 17:08.170] [SPEAKER_01]: Because...
[17:08.170 --> 17:09.790] [SPEAKER_01]: Today was the day I was supposed to get it fixed...
[17:09.790 --> 17:11.370] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't get it fixed tomorrow...
[17:11.790 --> 17:13.470] [SPEAKER_01]: Because that's when I'm going away...
[17:14.690 --> 17:15.010] [SPEAKER_01]: So...
[17:15.010 --> 17:16.150] [SPEAKER_01]: I have to...
[17:16.150 --> 17:17.390] [SPEAKER_01]: Not get it fixed...
[17:17.390 --> 17:18.430] [SPEAKER_01]: And not getting it fixed...
[17:18.430 --> 17:20.150] [SPEAKER_01]: Gives me this tremendous advantage...
[17:20.570 --> 17:22.130] [SPEAKER_01]: And there's just nothing I can do about it...
[17:22.130 --> 17:22.710] [SPEAKER_01]: What a feeling.
[17:22.830 --> 17:23.890] [SPEAKER_01]: What an incredible feeling...
[17:23.890 --> 17:25.470] [SPEAKER_01]: When you're left with no choice...
[17:27.010 --> 17:27.630] [SPEAKER_01]: But to be...
[17:29.610 --> 17:29.930] Irresponsible...
[17:32.970 --> 17:34.690] [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't even feel guilty about it.
[17:35.330 --> 17:49.450] [SPEAKER_01]: So that's my little run-in with high-tech on the car side, which are always a bit more interesting, I think, because it's more bewildering to me than my run-ins with high-tech on the phone and computer end of things.
[17:50.030 --> 17:55.290] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, I had several run-ins on the phone end of things this week.
[17:55.490 --> 17:57.710] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, several run-ins.
[17:58.070 --> 18:03.930] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, the first one was at a payphone, where I seem to be having more and more problems these days.
[18:04.590 --> 18:07.810] [SPEAKER_01]: Payphones and me just are not getting along like we used to.
[18:09.830 --> 18:11.730] [SPEAKER_01]: So, I was supposed to call somebody.
[18:11.730 --> 18:15.230] [SPEAKER_01]: I pulled up to a payphone, which is becoming increasingly hard to find.
[18:15.230 --> 18:19.390] [SPEAKER_01]: And finally found one, and I dialed my 950 number.
[18:19.730 --> 18:32.630] [SPEAKER_01]: For those of you who don't know what a 950 number is, it's a way of calling up a long-distance company of your choice, getting a dial tone, entering your special authorization code, having it billed to your account.
[18:32.750 --> 18:38.710] [SPEAKER_01]: Sort of like using a calling card, except the procedure for dialing is different.
[18:39.030 --> 18:45.150] [SPEAKER_01]: You dial 950 plus four digits, wait for a tone, enter your code, and then dial your number.
[18:45.230 --> 18:45.750] [SPEAKER_01]: It goes through.
[18:46.050 --> 19:01.750] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I went to this payphone, New York Telephone payphone, dialed 950, whatever long-distance company I chose at the moment, and got the tone, and then proceeded to dial my authorization code.
[19:01.890 --> 19:02.490] [SPEAKER_01]: But guess what?
[19:03.050 --> 19:05.250] [SPEAKER_01]: The tones were shut off.
[19:06.050 --> 19:09.610] [SPEAKER_01]: Do you know how frustrating it is to have a dial tone and not be able to use it?
[19:11.330 --> 19:17.850] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, would anyone like to think of how possibly I could have gotten out of that situation?
[19:18.310 --> 19:19.490] [SPEAKER_01]: Call the operator, you say.
[19:20.650 --> 19:21.970] [SPEAKER_01]: Call the operator, you say.
[19:22.110 --> 19:24.110] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, fine, fine, let's try that.
[19:24.190 --> 19:25.370] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's see how easy it is.
[19:25.870 --> 19:26.930] [SPEAKER_01]: Call the operator.
[19:27.190 --> 19:27.530] [SPEAKER_01]: Fine.
[19:30.250 --> 19:32.150] [SPEAKER_01]: Having trouble getting through to a 950 number.
[19:35.810 --> 19:36.570] [SPEAKER_01]: Piece of cake.
[19:37.250 --> 19:37.970] The telephone.
[19:38.410 --> 19:41.490] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, operator, I'm having trouble getting through to a 950 number.
[19:43.690 --> 19:44.050] [SPEAKER_16]: 950?
[19:44.350 --> 19:45.870] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, 950-1033.
[19:46.290 --> 19:46.950] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a U.S.
[19:47.110 --> 19:47.410] [SPEAKER_01]: Sprint.
[19:48.110 --> 19:50.390] [SPEAKER_16]: Okay, I can't dial 950 numbers.
[19:50.710 --> 19:51.110] [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, you can.
[19:51.150 --> 19:51.810] [SPEAKER_01]: Just push the buttons.
[19:52.650 --> 19:53.410] [SPEAKER_01]: You can't do that?
[19:54.250 --> 19:55.390] [SPEAKER_16]: I just said I couldn't.
[19:56.430 --> 19:56.790] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh.
[19:57.130 --> 19:58.310] [SPEAKER_01]: What, is there a reason for that?
[19:59.090 --> 19:59.410] You
[20:04.800 --> 20:05.100] don't.
[20:05.600 --> 20:06.360] [SPEAKER_01]: All right, I'll try to.
[20:06.680 --> 20:07.480] [SPEAKER_01]: All the good ones.
[20:07.620 --> 20:10.200] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, well, I guess that's something I'll have to live with.
[20:10.200 --> 20:10.560] [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[20:11.820 --> 20:17.760] [SPEAKER_01]: So, as you can see, there's certain things that the operator once was able to do everything.
[20:18.000 --> 20:19.800] [SPEAKER_01]: Certain things the operator cannot do.
[20:21.000 --> 20:26.080] [SPEAKER_01]: There's many things the operator won't do, but certain things the operator can't do.
[20:26.980 --> 20:30.560] [SPEAKER_01]: And dialing 950 numbers is one of those many things.
[20:31.580 --> 20:35.160] [SPEAKER_01]: So, I couldn't have the operator dial the 950 number for me.
[20:35.360 --> 20:37.280] [SPEAKER_01]: Couldn't have her enter Touch-Tones for me.
[20:37.960 --> 20:41.420] [SPEAKER_01]: Didn't have my little portable Touch-Tone pad, so I couldn't have done it through the mouthpiece.
[20:42.220 --> 20:43.060] [SPEAKER_01]: I was stuck.
[20:43.360 --> 20:44.180] [SPEAKER_01]: No, I wasn't stuck.
[20:44.440 --> 20:45.400] [SPEAKER_01]: I had an option.
[20:45.560 --> 20:46.880] [SPEAKER_01]: I could dial O plus the number.
[20:48.000 --> 20:49.840] [SPEAKER_01]: And bill it through New York Telephone.
[20:50.320 --> 20:52.340] [SPEAKER_01]: Instead of billing it through my long distance company.
[20:53.440 --> 20:55.460] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I didn't like that option very much.
[20:55.460 --> 20:58.920] [SPEAKER_01]: I felt I was being pushed into using something I didn't want to use.
[20:59.820 --> 21:01.120] [SPEAKER_01]: So, I called the operator.
[21:01.460 --> 21:03.880] [SPEAKER_01]: And I said, operator, this is not right.
[21:04.240 --> 21:08.520] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this phone should not be shutting off the Touch-Tones after it gets connected to a number.
[21:08.580 --> 21:11.780] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a regular public payphone, you know, run by New York Telephone.
[21:11.860 --> 21:12.640] [SPEAKER_01]: It shouldn't be doing this.
[21:14.440 --> 21:16.040] [SPEAKER_01]: She had no idea what I was talking about.
[21:16.060 --> 21:17.480] [SPEAKER_01]: So, she hooked me to a supervisor.
[21:18.200 --> 21:21.820] [SPEAKER_01]: Who listened patiently and then said, well, maybe I should call repair.
[21:23.900 --> 21:25.240] [SPEAKER_01]: So, I called repair.
[21:26.260 --> 21:27.680] [SPEAKER_01]: They took down the phone number.
[21:29.000 --> 21:31.560] [SPEAKER_01]: And said they would try to get something done.
[21:31.680 --> 21:33.240] [SPEAKER_01]: Went back to the payphone a couple of days later.
[21:33.440 --> 21:34.020] [SPEAKER_01]: Still broken.
[21:34.640 --> 21:36.720] [SPEAKER_01]: Or, actually, it wasn't the phone.
[21:36.740 --> 21:38.060] [SPEAKER_01]: It was the entire exchange.
[21:38.320 --> 21:41.220] [SPEAKER_01]: Everything in that particular exchange would do that.
[21:41.220 --> 21:43.740] [SPEAKER_01]: So, I told me that the central office itself.
[21:44.520 --> 21:46.380] [SPEAKER_01]: The place where all the phone calls are made.
[21:46.380 --> 21:48.820] [SPEAKER_01]: That particular location was programmed wrong.
[21:48.940 --> 21:54.760] [SPEAKER_01]: And since it's all computer-driven these days, it was just a simple command to the computer.
[21:55.100 --> 21:58.220] [SPEAKER_01]: Mute Touch-Tones after connecting, yes or no.
[21:58.760 --> 22:02.000] [SPEAKER_01]: Change the yes to a no, and the whole problem will be solved.
[22:02.080 --> 22:05.040] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, getting to that stage, folks, that was the problem.
[22:05.800 --> 22:08.940] [SPEAKER_01]: Because nobody at repair understood what I was talking about.
[22:09.460 --> 22:15.340] [SPEAKER_01]: And I finally had to dig through some research papers of mine.
[22:15.500 --> 22:20.500] [SPEAKER_01]: Find a number that went directly into the central office itself.
[22:22.960 --> 22:23.840] [SPEAKER_01]: Dialed that number.
[22:24.620 --> 22:25.480] [SPEAKER_01]: Phone picked up.
[22:25.540 --> 22:26.080] [SPEAKER_01]: Voice came on.
[22:26.180 --> 22:28.040] [SPEAKER_01]: Said, CO or whatever.
[22:28.300 --> 22:28.700] [SPEAKER_01]: You know.
[22:28.840 --> 22:30.780] [SPEAKER_01]: They gave the location, which I don't want to give.
[22:31.580 --> 22:36.480] [SPEAKER_01]: And I said, yeah, there's a problem with the switch muting Touch-Tones.
[22:38.460 --> 22:43.240] [SPEAKER_01]: Before you get mad, I'm a customer, but I'm calling you because nobody else understands what I'm talking about.
[22:44.700 --> 22:47.040] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, inside of 30 seconds, the problem was fixed.
[22:47.040 --> 22:58.380] [SPEAKER_01]: And now, people in that whole region of New York can use Touch-Tones after connecting to a 950 number, or any number for that matter.
[22:58.940 --> 23:12.140] [SPEAKER_01]: And I just wonder, how many times do things just lie there, not getting fixed for so long, because the people running the companies don't understand the technology that they're using themselves?
[23:14.300 --> 23:15.420] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a really sad thing.
[23:15.460 --> 23:17.280] [SPEAKER_01]: And I had another adventure, too.
[23:17.400 --> 23:22.440] [SPEAKER_01]: And we'll be taking calls in just a little bit, in case you're falling asleep listening to these stories.
[23:23.760 --> 23:33.700] [SPEAKER_01]: From a location that I was at, I suddenly realized, as I was trying to call something, I was trying to call a fax machine, okay?
[23:35.040 --> 23:37.820] [SPEAKER_01]: In the 212-228 exchange.
[23:38.240 --> 23:42.540] [SPEAKER_01]: And I was trying to do this from the 516 area code.
[23:43.700 --> 23:52.860] [SPEAKER_01]: So, I called it up, and instantly, as soon as I hit the last digit, it rang, and a voice came on, said, Do-do-do?
[23:53.360 --> 23:54.000] [SPEAKER_01]: We're sorry.
[23:54.200 --> 23:56.260] [SPEAKER_01]: Your call cannot be completed as dialed.
[23:56.320 --> 23:58.660] [SPEAKER_01]: Please check the number and dial again, or ask your operator for assistance.
[23:58.800 --> 23:59.240] [SPEAKER_01]: Blah, blah, blah.
[24:00.480 --> 24:01.540] [SPEAKER_01]: I said, that's not right.
[24:01.900 --> 24:03.720] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I just called this number last week.
[24:04.360 --> 24:17.280] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if the number was disconnected, I would have gotten a recording saying the number was disconnected, but I wouldn't get a local recording, which, by the speed of it, by the instantaneousness of it, told me that it was coming from my own central office,
[24:17.280 --> 24:17.740] [SPEAKER_01]: locally.
[24:20.700 --> 24:24.700] [SPEAKER_01]: So, I called the operator, said, Operator, I'm having trouble being connected to this number here.
[24:24.720 --> 24:25.300] [SPEAKER_01]: Can you help me?
[24:25.840 --> 24:27.220] [SPEAKER_01]: The operator says, What's the number?
[24:27.280 --> 24:28.000] [SPEAKER_01]: I told her the number.
[24:28.140 --> 24:28.700] [SPEAKER_01]: She connected me.
[24:28.820 --> 24:29.540] [SPEAKER_01]: No problem.
[24:30.680 --> 24:34.380] [SPEAKER_01]: Then I called back the operator and said, Operator, when you connect me, it works.
[24:34.480 --> 24:35.760] [SPEAKER_01]: When I try to dial it, it doesn't.
[24:35.760 --> 24:36.400] [SPEAKER_01]: What's wrong?
[24:37.880 --> 24:42.060] [SPEAKER_01]: And she said she didn't have the slightest idea what was wrong, but maybe I should call Repair.
[24:45.890 --> 24:49.790] [SPEAKER_01]: Repair said, Well, that sounds like a problem that your business office would take care of.
[24:49.870 --> 24:51.070] [SPEAKER_01]: So, call your business office.
[24:51.170 --> 24:57.070] [SPEAKER_01]: I called the business office, and they said, No, no, no, they're wrong, because something is wrong with the equipment, so you should call Repair.
[24:57.270 --> 25:06.730] [SPEAKER_01]: So, I called Repair again, sat through that automated voice, finally got to a human being, because none of the conditions that the automated voice gives you applied.
[25:06.730 --> 25:09.910] [SPEAKER_01]: There was nothing wrong with my phone, and I was trying to tell them that.
[25:10.090 --> 25:20.510] [SPEAKER_01]: There's something wrong with the way they programmed the central office, because every phone in my exchange could not reach the 212-228 exchange for some reason.
[25:21.470 --> 25:23.910] [SPEAKER_01]: Someone hit the wrong key.
[25:25.010 --> 25:26.010] [SPEAKER_01]: Simple as that.
[25:26.190 --> 25:28.090] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's all I was trying to tell them.
[25:30.170 --> 25:36.350] [SPEAKER_01]: So, they advised me that if the trouble was in my phone, they would have to charge me for a visit, and they wouldn't be able to fix the problem.
[25:36.470 --> 25:37.010] [SPEAKER_01]: I said, Listen.
[25:37.350 --> 25:37.790] [SPEAKER_01]: Listen.
[25:39.130 --> 25:41.830] [SPEAKER_01]: Listen to how I'm describing the problem.
[25:42.090 --> 25:46.290] [SPEAKER_01]: I try calling this particular phone number, and I'm getting an error message.
[25:46.290 --> 25:48.810] [SPEAKER_01]: How could that possibly be a problem with my phone?
[25:48.910 --> 25:50.010] [SPEAKER_01]: Or even my phone line?
[25:50.150 --> 25:51.810] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a problem with the phone company.
[25:52.210 --> 25:53.190] [SPEAKER_01]: There's something wrong.
[25:53.590 --> 25:55.090] [SPEAKER_01]: You folks made a mistake.
[25:57.330 --> 25:59.790] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, of course, they had no idea what I was talking about again.
[26:00.970 --> 26:02.650] [SPEAKER_01]: And it just gets so frustrating.
[26:03.290 --> 26:05.350] [SPEAKER_01]: And I made a very stupid mistake.
[26:05.750 --> 26:09.930] [SPEAKER_01]: They asked me what I was trying to call, and I said, Well, I'm trying to call a fax machine.
[26:10.030 --> 26:10.950] [SPEAKER_01]: And she said, Aha!
[26:11.490 --> 26:11.870] [SPEAKER_01]: Aha!
[26:12.570 --> 26:14.030] [SPEAKER_01]: You're trying to call a fax machine.
[26:14.030 --> 26:17.210] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, the fax machine makes strange noises, you know?
[26:17.590 --> 26:19.930] [SPEAKER_01]: And maybe you just don't know what those noises are.
[26:19.970 --> 26:22.910] [SPEAKER_01]: And I said, Oh, give me some credit here.
[26:23.590 --> 26:25.710] [SPEAKER_01]: I know what a fax machine sounds like.
[26:25.970 --> 26:28.910] [SPEAKER_01]: It goes beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, you know?
[26:29.210 --> 26:30.130] [SPEAKER_01]: They all do that.
[26:31.850 --> 26:33.530] [SPEAKER_01]: But this was going doo-doo-doo.
[26:34.430 --> 26:35.110] [SPEAKER_01]: We're sorry.
[26:35.210 --> 26:36.950] [SPEAKER_01]: Your call cannot be completed as dialed, etc.
[26:37.270 --> 26:38.150] [SPEAKER_01]: I know the difference.
[26:38.430 --> 26:42.050] [SPEAKER_01]: I've been around long enough to understand the difference between a recording and a fax machine.
[26:45.290 --> 26:51.170] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, she didn't believe me, but she said she'd try to fix my problem, as if it was just my problem.
[26:52.190 --> 26:55.830] [SPEAKER_01]: And about an hour later, I got this phone call.
[26:56.430 --> 26:58.490] [SPEAKER_01]: The phone call said, Hello, this is Garden City.
[26:58.510 --> 27:02.910] [SPEAKER_01]: We're reporting a problem with a customer unable to reach the 212-228 exchange.
[27:02.910 --> 27:03.910] [SPEAKER_01]: Can you handle that?
[27:06.090 --> 27:09.830] [SPEAKER_01]: And I thought for a second, and I said, Just, who do you think you're talking to here?
[27:10.730 --> 27:13.390] [SPEAKER_01]: And she said, This is telephone repair.
[27:13.390 --> 27:14.530] [SPEAKER_01]: We're reporting a problem.
[27:14.730 --> 27:17.290] [SPEAKER_01]: And I said, Yes, well, I'm the customer that reported the problem.
[27:17.350 --> 27:18.890] [SPEAKER_01]: You must have called me by mistake.
[27:20.890 --> 27:26.670] [SPEAKER_01]: And there was a pause on the phone, and then she came back and said, So I don't report it to you, then?
[27:26.870 --> 27:29.790] [SPEAKER_01]: And I said, No, no, that wouldn't be right if you did that.
[27:29.910 --> 27:31.610] [SPEAKER_01]: She said, Okay, well, thank you very much, operator.
[27:31.690 --> 27:31.930] [SPEAKER_01]: Goodbye.
[27:33.010 --> 27:35.110] [SPEAKER_01]: To this day, the problem is not fixed.
[27:35.190 --> 27:39.250] [SPEAKER_01]: And, uh, I'm just glad it's only a fax machine I have to reach.
[27:44.040 --> 27:47.040] [SPEAKER_01]: 212-279-3400.
[27:48.200 --> 27:49.260] [SPEAKER_01]: That's our phone number.
[27:50.780 --> 27:51.310] [SPEAKER_13]: Hello?
[27:52.780 --> 27:53.580] [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, hi.
[27:55.780 --> 27:56.740] [SPEAKER_13]: How are you?
[27:59.260 --> 28:00.340] [SPEAKER_13]: I'm fine.
[28:02.500 --> 28:03.240] [SPEAKER_13]: What's up?
[28:06.360 --> 28:07.300] [SPEAKER_13]: Mm-hmm.
[28:08.840 --> 28:10.140] [SPEAKER_13]: No, no, it's alright.
[28:11.220 --> 28:12.520] Um...
[28:12.520 --> 28:13.360] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[28:16.930 --> 28:18.490] [SPEAKER_13]: Go ahead, I'm listening.
[28:21.180 --> 28:21.990] [SPEAKER_13]: Mm-hmm.
[28:24.250 --> 28:25.170] [SPEAKER_13]: Mm-hmm.
[28:25.790 --> 28:26.170] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[28:27.570 --> 28:28.940] [SPEAKER_13]: Mm-hmm.
[28:31.810 --> 28:32.550] [SPEAKER_13]: Mm-hmm.
[28:35.160 --> 28:36.440] [SPEAKER_13]: Mm-hmm.
[28:38.480 --> 29:00.780] [SPEAKER_06]: She's bugging me again Run to use the phone Find and rent a hip man From the Twilight Zone It was good in the beginning But why has become a drag?
[29:01.900 --> 29:04.460] [SPEAKER_06]: Found me a solution
[29:12.780 --> 29:32.300] [SPEAKER_06]: It's just a call away Cheaper than some new movies And they do their job today So, if you've got a problem Pick up the telephone For the Vint and Glory Cowboys From the Twilight Zone
[29:39.750 --> 30:23.930] [SPEAKER_06]: Beard, vets, and drifters Shellshock from the dead At the continent all Dark savage pays the bill Yeah, soldiers are fortunate But we're not meant to drown us But, mister, I must tell you Neither are I kind So, if you've got a problem Pick up the telephone For the Guns and Glory Cowboys From the Twilight Zone At the continent all There's no issues Forster T's We're the gang that couldn't Choose me
[30:23.930 --> 31:13.430] [SPEAKER_06]: But the A's Pleased Do a job in Georgia Money in and funds Fingers rule the polls And chilling martial arts I've seen some civil war now For the cash we took their lives Back here on the homestand Rich on people's wives Ladies, bounty hunter... Comical ineptitude... Modern cowboy cowdress... Guns and glory dudes... So if you've got a problem,
[31:13.750 --> 31:25.070] [SPEAKER_06]: pick up the telephone... For the guns and glory cowboys and the twilights on... At the dawn and it'll come... There's no extra supposed to tease... With a gang that couldn't shoot straight...
[31:25.070 --> 31:26.790] [SPEAKER_06]: And we ain't free...
[31:36.240 --> 31:37.060] [SPEAKER_07]: May I help you?
[31:38.620 --> 31:39.400] [SPEAKER_07]: May I help you?
[31:39.700 --> 31:40.760] [SPEAKER_21]: Yes, is this the operator?
[31:41.160 --> 31:41.460] [SPEAKER_21]: Yes.
[31:41.860 --> 31:45.500] [SPEAKER_21]: Jimmy Lafayette 06, person to person with Mr. Carson King.
[31:45.640 --> 31:46.540] [SPEAKER_21]: That's King with a K.
[31:46.960 --> 31:47.820] [SPEAKER_16]: Oh, I got it.
[31:48.260 --> 31:49.840] [SPEAKER_16]: Have a good evening and thank you.
[31:50.060 --> 31:50.460] [SPEAKER_16]: Wrong number.
[31:58.860 --> 31:59.640] [SPEAKER_19]: Wrong number.
[31:59.860 --> 32:00.820] [SPEAKER_21]: Carson King, please.
[32:00.980 --> 32:01.720] [SPEAKER_21]: We'll get some scrolling.
[32:01.940 --> 32:02.780] [SPEAKER_19]: Is this Mr. King?
[32:03.240 --> 32:04.660] [SPEAKER_19]: Is this Mr. Carson King?
[32:04.660 --> 32:05.500] [SPEAKER_19]: Hey, who's this?
[32:08.370 --> 32:10.110] [SPEAKER_21]: I've seized my heart and cares.
[32:10.270 --> 32:11.010] [SPEAKER_21]: Now look what you did.
[32:11.130 --> 32:11.750] Who is this?
[32:12.330 --> 32:14.830] [SPEAKER_21]: I paid you to bump off my wife and then...
[32:14.830 --> 32:15.290] Hey, yo, man.
[32:15.570 --> 32:16.650] [SPEAKER_02]: I gotta check the file.
[32:16.870 --> 32:17.490] [SPEAKER_21]: Check the file.
[32:20.340 --> 32:21.680] [SPEAKER_21]: 4275 South Brooklyn Avenue.
[32:21.860 --> 32:22.960] [SPEAKER_21]: Apartment 42C.
[32:25.220 --> 32:25.700] [SPEAKER_21]: 4275...
[32:26.400 --> 32:27.080] [SPEAKER_19]: Okay, okay.
[32:27.380 --> 32:28.040] [SPEAKER_19]: I got it.
[32:29.340 --> 32:30.320] [SPEAKER_19]: Alright, let's see.
[32:30.460 --> 32:30.880] [SPEAKER_19]: What's that?
[32:32.580 --> 32:33.540] [SPEAKER_19]: Uh, let's see.
[32:33.660 --> 32:36.140] [SPEAKER_19]: Target was attractive Caucasian woman, early 30th.
[32:36.320 --> 32:37.600] [SPEAKER_19]: Named Martha Lee.
[32:37.600 --> 32:39.320] [SPEAKER_21]: Yeah, but you got the wrong girl.
[32:39.580 --> 32:39.720] [SPEAKER_19]: Wait a minute.
[32:39.720 --> 32:40.160] [SPEAKER_19]: Wait a minute.
[32:40.220 --> 32:40.520] [SPEAKER_19]: Wait a minute.
[32:40.580 --> 32:41.500] [SPEAKER_19]: Payment was made.
[32:41.800 --> 32:43.280] [SPEAKER_19]: Easy pay credit plans.
[32:43.500 --> 32:44.620] [SPEAKER_19]: It's, uh, amongst the installments.
[32:44.700 --> 32:45.140] [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[32:45.220 --> 32:45.900] [SPEAKER_19]: Never mind, alright.
[32:46.020 --> 32:46.260] [SPEAKER_19]: Look.
[32:46.420 --> 32:46.900] [SPEAKER_19]: And we have...
[32:46.900 --> 32:47.480] [SPEAKER_19]: Look your mother.
[32:47.680 --> 32:51.140] [SPEAKER_19]: We have a completion report on the file.
[32:51.360 --> 32:52.060] [SPEAKER_19]: Target with this.
[32:52.320 --> 32:53.500] [SPEAKER_19]: 715 E.M.
[32:55.280 --> 32:56.320] [SPEAKER_19]: 4275 South Brooklyn.
[32:56.920 --> 32:58.320] [SPEAKER_19]: Part of 42B.
[32:58.500 --> 32:59.500] [SPEAKER_19]: Not fee, you fool.
[33:07.610 --> 33:08.570] That make me feel...
[33:08.570 --> 33:09.290] [SPEAKER_19]: Look it, man.
[33:09.410 --> 33:11.210] [SPEAKER_19]: It's just 42B on the report.
[33:11.290 --> 33:12.250] [SPEAKER_19]: It's not our fault.
[33:12.750 --> 33:13.710] [SPEAKER_19]: It's not your fault.
[33:13.970 --> 33:15.150] [SPEAKER_19]: Well, I ain't paying, huh?
[33:15.210 --> 33:16.310] [SPEAKER_19]: So go ahead and sue me.
[33:18.070 --> 33:19.310] [SPEAKER_19]: But you're not gonna pay, huh?
[33:19.470 --> 33:20.210] [SPEAKER_19]: I'm not paying.
[33:20.670 --> 33:20.990] [SPEAKER_19]: Okay.
[33:22.670 --> 33:22.990] Um...
[33:23.550 --> 33:23.870] [SPEAKER_19]: 42C?
[33:24.730 --> 33:25.050] [SPEAKER_19]: 22C.
[33:25.190 --> 33:25.750] [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah, that's it.
[33:25.850 --> 33:26.370] [SPEAKER_19]: You got it.
[33:26.530 --> 33:26.930] [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah, well.
[33:27.590 --> 33:28.310] [SPEAKER_21]: We'll be calling.
[33:29.670 --> 33:30.330] [SPEAKER_21]: Hey, wait a minute.
[33:30.450 --> 33:30.770] [SPEAKER_21]: Operator.
[33:30.930 --> 33:31.550] [SPEAKER_04]: Hey, come on now.
[33:31.750 --> 33:32.070] [SPEAKER_04]: Operator.
[33:37.840 --> 33:39.660] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we all know what that sound means.
[33:40.960 --> 33:42.240] [SPEAKER_01]: 212-279-3400.
[33:42.340 --> 33:42.840] [SPEAKER_01]: Pick up the phone.
[33:42.920 --> 33:43.520] [SPEAKER_01]: Get that sound.
[33:43.620 --> 33:44.520] [SPEAKER_01]: And dial those numbers.
[33:44.840 --> 33:46.120] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's an interesting thing.
[33:47.160 --> 33:47.790] [SPEAKER_01]: But, uh...
[33:47.790 --> 33:49.480] [SPEAKER_01]: The operator won't tell you the time.
[33:49.790 --> 33:50.020] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[33:50.100 --> 33:50.980] [SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't that bother you?
[33:51.140 --> 33:52.420] [SPEAKER_01]: If you have to pay...
[33:52.420 --> 33:54.120] [SPEAKER_01]: It's gonna be 35 cents this month.
[33:54.380 --> 33:55.660] [SPEAKER_01]: The rates went up again.
[33:56.140 --> 33:56.940] [SPEAKER_01]: Twice in one year.
[33:57.000 --> 33:58.100] [SPEAKER_01]: They went from 28 to 30.
[33:58.200 --> 33:59.290] [SPEAKER_01]: And now 30 to 35.
[33:59.960 --> 34:01.540] [SPEAKER_01]: Just to find out what time it is?
[34:01.620 --> 34:02.550] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, look, folks.
[34:02.580 --> 34:03.000] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll tell you.
[34:03.050 --> 34:03.840] [SPEAKER_01]: It's 1218.
[34:03.840 --> 34:05.240] [SPEAKER_01]: That didn't cost you anything, did it?
[34:05.440 --> 34:06.920] [SPEAKER_01]: 18 minutes after 12 o'clock.
[34:07.520 --> 34:07.960] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay?
[34:09.630 --> 34:14.020] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, it's incredible how we're putting a price on all this information.
[34:14.240 --> 34:16.700] [SPEAKER_01]: Time, weather, horoscopes, lottery numbers.
[34:16.840 --> 34:17.180] [SPEAKER_01]: Lottery numbers.
[34:17.300 --> 34:18.480] [SPEAKER_01]: You can read that in the paper, you know?
[34:18.600 --> 34:19.680] [SPEAKER_01]: You can watch it on TV.
[34:19.680 --> 34:25.300] [SPEAKER_01]: But people pay incredible amounts of money just to hear the lottery numbers that won.
[34:25.320 --> 34:29.000] [SPEAKER_01]: And also to hear the ones that some mystic somewhere thinks are gonna win.
[34:29.760 --> 34:31.120] [SPEAKER_01]: People pay money for anything.
[34:31.120 --> 34:35.320] [SPEAKER_01]: Or at least they try anything and then they're astounded at how much it actually costs.
[34:36.780 --> 34:38.580] [SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of sad, actually.
[34:38.720 --> 34:40.740] [SPEAKER_01]: But there's an interesting trick.
[34:41.040 --> 34:43.480] [SPEAKER_01]: Interesting way around the system.
[34:43.480 --> 34:44.300] [SPEAKER_01]: There always is.
[34:44.460 --> 34:44.580] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[34:44.620 --> 34:45.620] [SPEAKER_01]: You just gotta look for it.
[34:45.620 --> 34:56.520] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's the simple fact that the operator may not tell you what time it is locally.
[34:57.290 --> 35:03.200] [SPEAKER_01]: But the operator will tell you what time it is somewhere else.
[35:03.860 --> 35:05.260] [SPEAKER_22]: Hello, Mr. Goldman, can I help you?
[35:05.500 --> 35:05.600] [SPEAKER_01]: Can I help you?
[35:05.600 --> 35:07.360] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, operator, I need AT&T, please.
[35:07.680 --> 35:07.960] [SPEAKER_22]: Hello?
[35:09.100 --> 35:10.220] [SPEAKER_01]: AT&T, please.
[35:10.580 --> 35:10.880] [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[35:11.800 --> 35:12.180] [SPEAKER_01]: Operator?
[35:12.380 --> 35:13.400] [SPEAKER_01]: AT&T, please.
[35:13.720 --> 35:14.040] [SPEAKER_09]: Thank you.
[35:14.160 --> 35:16.550] [SPEAKER_09]: One moment for an operator who can assist you.
[35:17.240 --> 35:17.760] [SPEAKER_09]: Thank you.
[35:19.080 --> 35:19.920] [SPEAKER_09]: AT&T?
[35:20.160 --> 35:21.340] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, is this AT&T?
[35:21.540 --> 35:21.820] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[35:22.220 --> 35:25.200] [SPEAKER_01]: Hi, I need to know the time in Dar es Salaam, please.
[35:25.550 --> 35:26.840] [SPEAKER_01]: In Tanzania.
[35:27.520 --> 35:28.360] [SPEAKER_09]: One moment, sir.
[35:28.360 --> 35:28.700] [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[35:29.080 --> 35:29.800] You're welcome, sir.
[35:31.080 --> 35:31.760] [SPEAKER_09]: AT&T?
[35:31.760 --> 35:32.700] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, hello.
[35:32.840 --> 35:36.500] [SPEAKER_01]: I need to know the time in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, please.
[35:37.360 --> 35:39.160] [SPEAKER_08]: Sir, you have two operators on here.
[35:39.540 --> 35:40.680] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, well, I only need one.
[35:40.800 --> 35:41.480] [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you very much, though.
[35:44.000 --> 35:44.880] [SPEAKER_08]: Hang on, okay?
[35:45.260 --> 35:46.260] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, yeah, sure.
[35:52.580 --> 35:54.960] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, the time in Dar es Salaam.
[35:55.460 --> 35:56.340] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I have a dial tone.
[35:56.340 --> 35:56.980] [SPEAKER_01]: Hold on, sir.
[35:57.080 --> 35:57.920] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm still here, okay?
[35:58.080 --> 35:58.700] [SPEAKER_08]: Can you hear me?
[35:58.800 --> 35:59.360] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I hear you.
[35:59.420 --> 36:00.680] [SPEAKER_01]: I got a dial tone for some reason.
[36:00.780 --> 36:03.160] [SPEAKER_08]: Hang on, that's the other operator that was in there.
[36:03.380 --> 36:04.980] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay, I get it.
[36:10.160 --> 36:14.000] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I guess, uh, a little music or something is in order.
[36:21.520 --> 36:24.340] [SPEAKER_08]: All right, it is 823 a.m.
[36:24.480 --> 36:25.840] [SPEAKER_08]: They're eight hours ahead of us.
[36:26.020 --> 36:27.220] [SPEAKER_01]: They're eight hours ahead of us.
[36:27.460 --> 36:28.200] [SPEAKER_01]: 823 a.m.
[36:28.260 --> 36:29.000] [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you very much.
[36:29.100 --> 36:29.740] [SPEAKER_08]: You're welcome, sir.
[36:29.740 --> 36:29.980] [SPEAKER_01]: Bye-bye.
[36:31.840 --> 36:33.020] [SPEAKER_01]: And, there you see it.
[36:33.340 --> 36:38.180] [SPEAKER_01]: You just simply subtract eight hours from 823, and you find out what time it is.
[36:38.180 --> 36:40.160] [SPEAKER_01]: And the best part about that is it's free.
[36:40.260 --> 36:41.380] [SPEAKER_01]: Just call from any payphone.
[36:41.800 --> 36:43.060] [SPEAKER_01]: Ask the operator what time it is.
[36:43.080 --> 36:46.360] [SPEAKER_01]: And always pick a city, you know, that, uh, no one's ever heard of before.
[36:46.400 --> 36:48.060] [SPEAKER_01]: So they, they find it a bit of a challenge.
[36:48.960 --> 36:49.440] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[36:50.080 --> 36:54.800] [SPEAKER_01]: If you ask for something like London, they might not, uh, they might just say, they're five hours ahead of us and stop there.
[36:54.940 --> 36:55.120] [SPEAKER_01]: No.
[36:55.240 --> 36:57.880] [SPEAKER_01]: You gotta, you know, pique their interest a little bit.
[36:58.440 --> 36:59.720] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a game of give and take.
[36:59.720 --> 37:03.020] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's, uh, shut Germany up for a second there.
[37:03.800 --> 37:09.340] [SPEAKER_01]: Our number is 212-279-3400.
[37:10.160 --> 37:11.300] [SPEAKER_01]: Area code 212.
[37:11.460 --> 37:19.560] [SPEAKER_01]: I'd like to hear what's on your mind as far as, uh, high tech, any interesting experiences with, uh, telephones, computers, uh, that kind of thing.
[37:19.640 --> 37:23.760] [SPEAKER_01]: I'd like to talk about Robert Morris a little bit, you know, that, that was about a week ago.
[37:24.520 --> 37:27.040] [SPEAKER_01]: Weekend, uh, three days ago, if I'm not mistaken.
[37:28.200 --> 37:30.360] [SPEAKER_01]: And he was found guilty.
[37:31.000 --> 37:37.340] [SPEAKER_01]: Guilty of, uh, violating the, uh, computer fraud, uh, bill.
[37:37.440 --> 37:38.480] [SPEAKER_01]: I believe it was.
[37:38.480 --> 37:41.260] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not exactly certain on which law he was found guilty of violating.
[37:41.460 --> 37:44.380] [SPEAKER_01]: But, uh, it's kinda scary, you know?
[37:44.440 --> 37:45.240] [SPEAKER_01]: It's kinda scary.
[37:46.020 --> 37:56.080] [SPEAKER_01]: I know a lot of computer hackers who are not sleeping well these days because, uh, so much seemed to have been misunderstood in that trial and misrepresented.
[37:57.220 --> 38:01.420] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, none of the, none of the jurors owned a home computer for one thing.
[38:01.540 --> 38:04.040] [SPEAKER_01]: They, they didn't use computers very much if they did at all.
[38:04.900 --> 38:08.420] [SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of what was said simply was not understood by them.
[38:10.200 --> 38:17.120] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's kinda hard to judge a case when you don't understand the basic tools involved.
[38:18.740 --> 38:32.080] [SPEAKER_01]: And one of the, uh, fundamental things with this case was the fact that, uh, Robert Morris wrote what is known as a computer worm program that, uh, replicated itself and spread around all over the country.
[38:33.480 --> 38:34.720] [SPEAKER_01]: But he made a mistake.
[38:34.980 --> 38:35.740] [SPEAKER_01]: He made a mistake.
[38:35.740 --> 38:43.540] [SPEAKER_01]: He made a mistake in writing the program so that the, uh, the program replicated itself much too quickly at such a rate that it bogged down entire computer systems.
[38:44.720 --> 38:45.960] [SPEAKER_01]: Hence, it was discovered.
[38:47.900 --> 38:48.980] [SPEAKER_01]: And wiped out.
[38:49.060 --> 38:53.260] [SPEAKER_01]: No data was destroyed, but, uh, a bit of time was spent wiping this thing out.
[38:54.880 --> 38:57.500] [SPEAKER_01]: And Morris never denied that he, uh, he did this.
[38:59.080 --> 39:08.020] [SPEAKER_01]: But one has to wonder, had he not made that programming error, would they have been so quick to jump and say it was a crime?
[39:08.380 --> 39:08.960] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[39:10.340 --> 39:11.660] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure if they would have.
[39:12.340 --> 39:18.880] [SPEAKER_01]: Simply a program that went out there and explored a little bit, found people's passwords, and wasn't noticed.
[39:19.560 --> 39:24.300] [SPEAKER_01]: Had somebody discovered that a few months down the road, I don't think it would have made such headlines.
[39:24.660 --> 39:33.060] [SPEAKER_01]: The only reason it made headlines was because it slowed down systems, clogged down systems, made the systems shut down.
[39:33.100 --> 39:35.700] [SPEAKER_01]: And the only reason it did that was because he made a programming error.
[39:37.860 --> 39:41.940] [SPEAKER_01]: So, has he been convicted simply because of a programming error?
[39:42.600 --> 39:43.880] [SPEAKER_01]: Interesting question, I think.
[39:45.040 --> 39:50.640] [SPEAKER_01]: And the other point that I'd like to raise is the fact that he actually didn't break into a computer system.
[39:52.440 --> 40:08.040] [SPEAKER_01]: He wrote a program that used legal channels, namely the send mail feature of UNIX, and wandered about and grabbed passwords, but he did not actually log in using any of those passwords, at least not in that attempt.
[40:08.040 --> 40:14.620] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure what he did beforehand, but that's something that might seem like a minor point, but it was not understood.
[40:14.820 --> 40:18.720] [SPEAKER_01]: It was not made clear in all the reports that I read about this.
[40:19.500 --> 40:26.500] [SPEAKER_01]: So, that's one thing I'd like to see if people have any opinion on, as well as any other stories about phones, technology, that kind of thing.
[40:27.300 --> 40:28.880] [SPEAKER_01]: 279-3400, area code 212.
[40:29.060 --> 40:29.720] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's see who we have.
[40:29.860 --> 40:30.220] [SPEAKER_01]: Good morning.
[40:30.880 --> 40:31.600] [SPEAKER_04]: Hey, WBAI?
[40:31.860 --> 40:33.000] [SPEAKER_01]: This is what it is, yes.
[40:33.280 --> 40:33.800] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, sir.
[40:33.900 --> 40:36.640] [SPEAKER_04]: Is it possible I could read a short poem to the listeners out there?
[40:36.640 --> 40:38.820] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's not really relevant to what we're discussing, is it?
[40:39.300 --> 40:41.360] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, no, it's from the phones, yeah, telephones.
[40:41.620 --> 40:46.800] [SPEAKER_04]: I used to work in the AT&T a long time ago, and it was kind of funny.
[40:46.940 --> 40:50.120] [SPEAKER_04]: I did it a long time ago, I called it the dial tone.
[40:50.420 --> 40:51.060] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, go ahead.
[40:51.640 --> 40:52.000] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[40:52.220 --> 40:53.340] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm proud to be a German Nazi.
[40:57.200 --> 40:58.920] [SPEAKER_01]: That doesn't have much to do with phones, does it?
[40:58.940 --> 40:59.380] [SPEAKER_01]: Good morning.
[41:00.100 --> 41:00.720] [SPEAKER_05]: Good morning.
[41:00.920 --> 41:01.120] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[41:02.380 --> 41:02.920] [SPEAKER_01]: Go ahead.
[41:02.920 --> 41:03.820] [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, I...
[41:03.820 --> 41:07.620] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm trying to discuss with you about WBAI.
[41:07.880 --> 41:10.840] [SPEAKER_05]: I looked in the latest folio, I don't see a report to the listener.
[41:11.060 --> 41:15.420] [SPEAKER_05]: I look in their report to the listener that's printed in the folio, and...
[41:15.420 --> 41:17.000] [SPEAKER_01]: That's not relevant either.
[41:17.000 --> 41:17.920] [SPEAKER_01]: What's wrong with you people?
[41:18.020 --> 41:18.420] [SPEAKER_01]: Good morning.
[41:19.000 --> 41:19.300] [SPEAKER_07]: Hello?
[41:19.600 --> 41:19.900] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[41:19.900 --> 41:28.420] [SPEAKER_07]: Um, have you, um, ever heard of, uh, Norman Cousins and his book on, uh, um, getting...
[41:28.420 --> 41:30.260] [SPEAKER_07]: Curing Yourself by Laughter?
[41:30.840 --> 41:32.440] [SPEAKER_01]: Curing Yourself by Laughter.
[41:32.680 --> 41:36.500] [SPEAKER_07]: Now, here's one that he uses to, uh, tell people.
[41:36.540 --> 41:38.880] [SPEAKER_07]: It's in regard to telephones, AT&T.
[41:39.040 --> 41:39.300] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[41:39.300 --> 41:44.940] [SPEAKER_07]: And, uh, it seems that he arrived at the airport a little early, so he wanted to go and call his office.
[41:45.660 --> 41:51.820] [SPEAKER_07]: And, uh, he put it in, put in his money and he lost his, his coin.
[41:52.460 --> 41:56.620] [SPEAKER_07]: Now, I'll have to read what he said, the way he says it, because it's, he writes very well.
[41:56.880 --> 42:02.260] [SPEAKER_07]: I pondered this melancholy event for a moment or two and then decided to report it to the operator.
[42:03.020 --> 42:05.880] [SPEAKER_07]: Operator, I said, I put in a quarter and didn't get my number.
[42:06.140 --> 42:07.940] [SPEAKER_07]: The machine collected my coin.
[42:08.260 --> 42:12.060] [SPEAKER_07]: Sir, she said, if you give me your name and address, we'll mail the coin to you.
[42:13.020 --> 42:13.420] [SPEAKER_07]: Appalled.
[42:14.380 --> 42:19.640] [SPEAKER_07]: Operator, I said, I think I can understand the reason behind the difficulty of AT&T.
[42:20.060 --> 42:23.820] [SPEAKER_07]: Now, you're going to take the time and trouble to write down my name on a card.
[42:23.820 --> 42:26.940] [SPEAKER_07]: You're probably going to give it to the person in charge of such matters.
[42:26.940 --> 42:33.600] [SPEAKER_07]: He will go to the cash register, punch it open, take up the quarter at the same time recording the reason for the cash withdrawal.
[42:33.920 --> 42:39.680] [SPEAKER_07]: Then he will take the cardboard with a recessed slot to hold the coin so he won't flop around in the envelope.
[42:39.920 --> 42:48.960] [SPEAKER_07]: He then will, um, fit the cardboard with the coin, first taking the time to write out my address on the envelope and seal the envelope.
[42:49.400 --> 42:53.040] [SPEAKER_07]: All of this just to return my money.
[42:53.040 --> 42:57.700] [SPEAKER_07]: Now, operator, why don't you just return my coin and let's be friends?
[42:58.400 --> 43:00.240] [SPEAKER_07]: Sir, she repeated.
[43:00.600 --> 43:03.380] [SPEAKER_07]: If you give me your name and address...
[43:05.120 --> 43:11.060] [SPEAKER_07]: By way of afterthought, she said, Sir, do you remember to press the coin return plunger?
[43:11.600 --> 43:14.120] [SPEAKER_07]: Truth to tell, I had overlooked this nicety.
[43:14.400 --> 43:15.700] [SPEAKER_07]: I pressed the plunger.
[43:15.880 --> 43:17.540] [SPEAKER_07]: To my great surprise, it worked.
[43:17.780 --> 43:23.340] [SPEAKER_07]: It was apparent that the machine had been badly constipated and I happened to have the plunger.
[43:23.340 --> 43:29.580] [SPEAKER_07]: All at once, the vitals of the machine opened up and proceeded to spew out coins of almost every denomination.
[43:29.980 --> 43:35.240] [SPEAKER_07]: The perfusion was so great that I had to use my empty hand to contain the overflow.
[43:35.540 --> 43:40.980] [SPEAKER_07]: With all this happening, the noise was registering in the telephone and was not lost on the operator.
[43:41.360 --> 43:42.940] [SPEAKER_07]: Sir, she said, what is happening?
[43:43.560 --> 43:48.060] [SPEAKER_07]: She reported that the machine had just given up all its earnings for the past few months at least.
[43:48.300 --> 43:55.080] [SPEAKER_07]: At a rough estimate, I said, that must be close to $4.25 of nickels that had erupted from the box.
[43:55.460 --> 43:58.680] [SPEAKER_07]: Sir, she said, will you please put the coins back in the box?
[43:59.540 --> 44:03.200] [SPEAKER_07]: Operator, I said, if you give me your name and address, I will be glad to mail you.
[44:04.640 --> 44:05.720] [SPEAKER_00]: That's beautiful.
[44:07.760 --> 44:09.500] [SPEAKER_00]: Where was that found?
[44:09.660 --> 44:13.820] [SPEAKER_07]: It's in Norman Cousins' new book that he's just written.
[44:14.960 --> 44:16.740] [SPEAKER_07]: Let's see, I'll give you my name.
[44:20.680 --> 44:25.600] [SPEAKER_07]: It's Head First, The Biology of Hope by Norman Cousins.
[44:25.600 --> 44:27.640] [SPEAKER_07]: He has several other good jokes.
[44:27.820 --> 44:33.760] [SPEAKER_07]: It's written up in the East-West Journal for this month, the review of it is.
[44:33.820 --> 44:35.440] [SPEAKER_07]: But the book is just coming out.
[44:35.640 --> 44:39.760] [SPEAKER_07]: There are several others too, but I thought this one was appropriate to your evening's...
[44:39.760 --> 44:42.680] [SPEAKER_01]: I think we've all had a story like that at some point.
[44:42.760 --> 44:44.440] [SPEAKER_01]: I know I have had several dozen of those.
[44:44.820 --> 44:46.600] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, well, it is so...
[44:47.120 --> 44:51.500] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, you go through this, I've gone through it, and you have too, I suppose.
[44:51.840 --> 44:52.940] [SPEAKER_07]: Losing your coin.
[44:52.940 --> 45:02.200] [SPEAKER_01]: Although, I rarely use coins and payphones anymore, because there's other ways of making the phone calls, and there's fewer and fewer dependable payphones around too, so...
[45:02.200 --> 45:03.520] [SPEAKER_07]: I've heard there are ways.
[45:03.720 --> 45:05.580] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't suppose you advertise them out with the radio.
[45:05.700 --> 45:06.000] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, sure.
[45:06.060 --> 45:06.920] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, there are legal ways.
[45:07.000 --> 45:09.740] [SPEAKER_01]: There are illegal ways too, but that's not what I'm talking about.
[45:10.200 --> 45:13.900] [SPEAKER_01]: Legal ways, yes, you can set up accounts with various companies.
[45:14.980 --> 45:17.900] [SPEAKER_01]: MCI, Sprint, Cable and Wireless are a few that come to mind.
[45:17.900 --> 45:23.740] [SPEAKER_01]: And you can simply have a toll-free number to call, enter your authorization code, dial a number.
[45:23.940 --> 45:38.460] [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, what's interesting about it is that if I were to dial a local number, like here in New York, if I was to dial from a New York payphone to another New York number, and stay on the phone for, say, a minute, at this time of night, it would cost me about seven cents,
[45:38.700 --> 45:42.920] [SPEAKER_01]: as opposed to a quarter that I would drop in and lose from a payphone.
[45:42.920 --> 45:49.100] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's actually at some times cheaper than using a payphone to use these services for local calls, even though they're long-distance companies.
[45:49.360 --> 45:51.860] [SPEAKER_07]: What phone are you paying, calling from them?
[45:52.120 --> 45:52.800] [SPEAKER_01]: From any phone.
[45:52.900 --> 45:53.980] [SPEAKER_01]: From any phone in...
[45:53.980 --> 46:00.100] [SPEAKER_07]: ...number, but you're doing it through your Sprint or whatever it is, number.
[46:00.320 --> 46:06.780] [SPEAKER_01]: Right, except the companies like Sprint and MCI are stopping offering that service for some reason.
[46:06.820 --> 46:10.800] [SPEAKER_01]: I think they realize that people are actually using it and being happy with it.
[46:10.800 --> 46:18.580] [SPEAKER_01]: So they're adding these surcharges and making you dial 14-digit authorization codes instead of using five- or six-digit codes and having tremendous savings.
[46:18.760 --> 46:25.200] [SPEAKER_01]: But I do know that TDX, or cable and wireless, is one company that still does that.
[46:25.320 --> 46:28.260] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think Sprint still does it, but they're cutting back.
[46:28.580 --> 46:29.660] [SPEAKER_07]: Well, I have Sprint.
[46:29.680 --> 46:32.120] [SPEAKER_01]: And so does AllNet and Western Union and ITT.
[46:32.440 --> 46:32.660] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[46:33.360 --> 46:33.780] [SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
[46:35.020 --> 46:39.200] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's worthwhile to set up accounts with different companies, so you always have options.
[46:39.200 --> 46:40.800] [SPEAKER_07]: Have fun with your telephone.
[46:41.140 --> 46:41.260] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[46:41.420 --> 46:41.900] [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for calling.
[46:43.000 --> 46:46.460] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, interesting point that caller touched upon.
[46:46.840 --> 46:48.420] [SPEAKER_01]: The coin return mechanism.
[46:48.620 --> 46:56.460] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if it's just me, but I don't think I've ever used the coin return or had it do something on a payphone.
[46:56.600 --> 47:01.340] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, the quarter always seems to come back on its own accord or something to that nature.
[47:02.460 --> 47:07.020] [SPEAKER_01]: But the actual mechanism, the coin, I've never known that to work and get a coin to come back.
[47:07.020 --> 47:08.140] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[47:08.280 --> 47:08.380] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[47:08.380 --> 47:08.760] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's me.
[47:09.860 --> 47:10.940] [SPEAKER_01]: 279-3400.
[47:11.020 --> 47:11.360] [SPEAKER_01]: Good morning.
[47:11.980 --> 47:35.700] [SPEAKER_22]: Oh, somebody told me that if you, let me get this straight, if you call somebody with a computer that their phone lights up before it rings and they pick it up before it rings, that you don't have to pay for the call.
[47:35.900 --> 47:36.500] [SPEAKER_22]: Is that true?
[47:36.680 --> 47:36.860] [SPEAKER_01]: No.
[47:37.080 --> 47:39.240] [SPEAKER_01]: That's a phone fable.
[47:39.960 --> 47:43.380] [SPEAKER_01]: It used to be that there were devices known as black boxes.
[47:43.920 --> 47:47.500] [SPEAKER_01]: And what the black box would do, it was a special device hooked up to a telephone.
[47:48.360 --> 47:55.040] [SPEAKER_01]: It would pick up the phone without dropping the voltage so that the phone company would think that the phone was still ringing.
[47:56.300 --> 48:02.800] [SPEAKER_01]: But, the voice path would be open and you'd be able to talk to the person and it sounded like a normal conversation to you.
[48:04.120 --> 48:13.580] [SPEAKER_01]: What that meant was that the phone call was not being supervised and the billing was not kicking in and the phone company would just think that it was either busy or ringing and the person was just sort of staying on.
[48:23.020 --> 48:29.040] [SPEAKER_22]: In other words, there's no way that if I call somebody, say, in California, that I wouldn't have to pay for it.
[48:29.420 --> 48:34.580] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, there's plenty of ways, but I'm not going to go into how to make free phone calls.
[48:35.540 --> 48:37.560] [SPEAKER_01]: But, many, many people are doing that, obviously.
[48:37.940 --> 48:40.360] [SPEAKER_22]: What is the name of some of the books that tell you these things?
[48:41.960 --> 48:46.600] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I know Abbie Hoffman Steele, this book, went into it a little bit, but all those methods are outdated.
[48:47.200 --> 48:48.740] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know of any...
[48:48.740 --> 48:50.320] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, there are several organizations.
[48:50.380 --> 48:52.260] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have the addresses with me.
[48:53.180 --> 48:55.560] [SPEAKER_01]: I know ConsumerTronics is one that comes to mind.
[48:55.580 --> 48:56.680] [SPEAKER_01]: They're in New Mexico somewhere.
[48:57.620 --> 48:58.420] [SPEAKER_01]: LoomPanics is another.
[48:58.580 --> 49:02.320] [SPEAKER_01]: If somebody has the address for that, they can give us a call.
[49:03.180 --> 49:03.840] Consumer what?
[49:04.680 --> 49:05.080] [SPEAKER_01]: ConsumerTronics.
[49:05.280 --> 49:09.020] [SPEAKER_01]: I know they print documents that detail things like that.
[49:11.980 --> 49:13.200] [SPEAKER_01]: And LoomPanics is another.
[49:13.280 --> 49:14.660] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure where they are.
[49:14.800 --> 49:15.480] [SPEAKER_01]: They're somewhere...
[49:15.480 --> 49:16.360] [SPEAKER_01]: They're not in New York.
[49:16.360 --> 49:17.060] [SPEAKER_01]: I know that much.
[49:17.980 --> 49:24.820] [SPEAKER_01]: And at 2600, which is the magazine I work for that deals with computer hacking and phone phreaks and that kind of thing, we don't...
[49:24.820 --> 49:31.220] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, we tell people how it's done, but we don't give out codes or things like that.
[49:31.220 --> 49:35.020] [SPEAKER_01]: We don't, you know, tell people to do that kind of thing.
[49:35.160 --> 49:41.160] [SPEAKER_01]: But we do think the education is important, both for the person using the phone system and the person owning the phone system.
[49:41.160 --> 49:48.480] [SPEAKER_01]: It's important to know how it can be abused and how it can hurt people, hurt users by not providing certain essential services.
[49:49.460 --> 49:51.580] [SPEAKER_01]: But I'll tell you one trick that you might like.
[49:52.740 --> 50:01.980] [SPEAKER_01]: If you call somebody from a payphone and you keep your conversation under three seconds and hang up, your money will come back.
[50:04.080 --> 50:06.800] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not easy to convey very much information in three seconds.
[50:06.860 --> 50:08.440] [SPEAKER_01]: Actually, you can convey quite a bit.
[50:08.620 --> 50:13.760] [SPEAKER_01]: You can, you know, if the person is expecting your call, you can just say, hey, I'm downstairs, come get me or something and hang up.
[50:13.760 --> 50:14.280] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[50:14.440 --> 50:15.520] [SPEAKER_01]: And your money will come back.
[50:16.040 --> 50:19.120] [SPEAKER_01]: It's, you know, because I don't know what the reason for that is, actually.
[50:19.600 --> 50:22.060] [SPEAKER_01]: But it's just something that works.
[50:22.320 --> 50:31.040] [SPEAKER_22]: I mean, under three seconds, you could say, if you're calling somebody in California, use the other, or expect me to call this.
[50:31.440 --> 50:37.080] [SPEAKER_22]: But the point is, then they'd have to know the other way, like, say, that the phone would be lighting up, watch for it.
[50:37.220 --> 50:39.640] [SPEAKER_22]: But there is no, nothing you could tell them like that.
[50:39.640 --> 50:43.840] [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's good for things that you've already made arrangements for.
[50:44.040 --> 50:44.920] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's put it that way.
[50:46.080 --> 50:49.620] [SPEAKER_01]: If the person is expecting you to call, and you call and say, it's me, and hang up.
[50:49.940 --> 50:58.800] [SPEAKER_01]: Or, you know, just passing on little bits of information, like, the Mets won, or, you know, guilty as charged, or whatever.
[50:58.980 --> 51:01.900] [SPEAKER_01]: Just certain factual bits that you just need a yes or no answer.
[51:02.720 --> 51:06.200] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess it might be good for stockbrokers to call up and say, bye, and hang up.
[51:07.120 --> 51:09.180] [SPEAKER_01]: Although that could be misconstrued as somebody saying goodbye.
[51:09.240 --> 51:09.840] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[51:11.160 --> 51:15.600] [SPEAKER_01]: But you've just given me an idea for something else, which I'm going to release you and demonstrate it to the folks.
[51:15.980 --> 51:16.300] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[51:16.440 --> 51:17.180] [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks very much for calling.
[51:18.380 --> 51:21.320] [SPEAKER_01]: That is the brand new, brand spanking new.
[51:21.420 --> 51:22.480] [SPEAKER_01]: Actually, it's not that brand new.
[51:22.580 --> 51:23.300] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a couple of months old.
[51:23.400 --> 51:26.880] [SPEAKER_01]: But I think it's new to our area right here in the WBAI vicinity.
[51:26.880 --> 51:34.560] [SPEAKER_01]: And that is the automated collect service that has just been installed.
[51:34.820 --> 51:36.380] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, fairly recently.
[51:37.200 --> 51:40.980] [SPEAKER_01]: That allows you to not use an operator anymore.
[51:41.420 --> 51:47.740] [SPEAKER_01]: That allows an operator to do other more important things, like wait on unemployment lines or what have you.
[51:48.600 --> 51:51.520] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, when you dial O plus a number...
[51:51.960 --> 51:52.800] [SPEAKER_01]: And, uh...
[51:52.800 --> 51:53.480] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's see.
[51:53.540 --> 51:54.260] [SPEAKER_01]: What number should I dial?
[51:54.300 --> 51:54.500] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[51:54.580 --> 51:56.140] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to demonstrate the system to you.
[51:58.160 --> 51:59.680] [SPEAKER_01]: Actually, can I demonstrate the system?
[51:59.760 --> 52:00.500] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I can.
[52:00.760 --> 52:01.040] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[52:01.040 --> 52:04.280] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to try to demonstrate the system because we can't hit touchstones here.
[52:04.300 --> 52:07.220] [SPEAKER_01]: So I might have to do some funky things on the phone.
[52:07.940 --> 52:12.440] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to call a number collect.
[52:15.460 --> 52:17.060] [SPEAKER_01]: And hopefully this will work.
[52:18.260 --> 52:18.760] [SPEAKER_01]: Alright.
[52:19.340 --> 52:20.700] [SPEAKER_01]: We'll get a little fading dial tone.
[52:23.710 --> 52:24.210] [SPEAKER_01]: No?
[52:24.450 --> 52:24.590] [SPEAKER_01]: No.
[52:24.810 --> 52:25.850] [SPEAKER_01]: It'll hang up on us instead.
[52:26.430 --> 52:26.810] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[52:26.810 --> 52:28.150] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't quite know why that happened.
[52:28.570 --> 52:30.350] [SPEAKER_01]: But let's try it one more time.
[52:31.970 --> 52:34.810] [SPEAKER_01]: This time I'll make sure it connects.
[52:35.850 --> 52:41.280] [SPEAKER_01]: Simply by dialing O in front of the number.
[52:42.800 --> 52:44.620] [SPEAKER_09]: Welcome to New York Telephone.
[52:44.800 --> 52:46.600] [SPEAKER_09]: For collect calls, dial 1-1.
[52:46.860 --> 52:50.220] [SPEAKER_09]: To charge this call to another number, dial the complete billing number now.
[52:50.460 --> 52:52.360] [SPEAKER_09]: For person to person and other calls...
[52:54.480 --> 52:56.920] [SPEAKER_09]: At the tone, please say your name.
[52:57.320 --> 52:59.360] [SPEAKER_01]: Call me back at 279-3400.
[53:00.600 --> 53:03.940] [SPEAKER_09]: Please wait to see if the charges for this call will be accepted.
[53:04.740 --> 53:06.540] [SPEAKER_01]: This is going to call an answering machine of mine.
[53:06.940 --> 53:09.500] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's going to ask if it's going to accept the collect call.
[53:19.770 --> 53:21.290] [SPEAKER_09]: This is New York Telephone.
[53:21.310 --> 53:22.250] [SPEAKER_09]: Sometimes the machine gets to the phone before the people do.
[53:22.250 --> 53:23.790] [SPEAKER_10]: You have a collect call from...
[53:23.790 --> 53:24.790] [SPEAKER_10]: Call me back at 279-3400.
[53:24.790 --> 53:25.610] [SPEAKER_10]: This may be the case this time.
[53:25.770 --> 53:27.010] [SPEAKER_10]: So please leave a message and turn it back to you quickly.
[53:27.010 --> 53:28.510] [SPEAKER_10]: Please answer the following question.
[53:28.830 --> 53:29.870] [SPEAKER_09]: Yes or no.
[53:30.090 --> 53:31.230] [SPEAKER_09]: Will you pay for the call?
[53:33.290 --> 53:34.470] [SPEAKER_01]: We're now recording this.
[53:34.630 --> 53:35.270] [SPEAKER_09]: Not understood.
[53:36.190 --> 53:38.550] [SPEAKER_09]: You have a collect call from...
[53:38.550 --> 53:40.490] [SPEAKER_09]: Call me back at 279-3400.
[53:40.750 --> 53:42.610] [SPEAKER_09]: Please answer the following question.
[53:42.810 --> 53:43.950] [SPEAKER_09]: Yes or no.
[53:44.230 --> 53:45.330] [SPEAKER_09]: Will you pay for the call?
[53:45.550 --> 53:46.030] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[53:47.230 --> 53:48.550] [SPEAKER_01]: You see, it can't hear me.
[53:49.110 --> 53:52.270] [SPEAKER_09]: If you want to refuse the charges, hang up now.
[53:53.090 --> 53:56.310] [SPEAKER_09]: For operator assistance, please stay on the line.
[53:56.310 --> 53:59.810] [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, we don't need real people to get involved in this.
[54:00.210 --> 54:01.370] [SPEAKER_01]: The computers will do just fine.
[54:01.470 --> 54:02.930] [SPEAKER_01]: But it's an interesting system.
[54:03.970 --> 54:05.310] [SPEAKER_01]: It tells you...
[54:06.790 --> 54:10.250] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it asks you if you want to accept or not.
[54:10.250 --> 54:11.730] [SPEAKER_01]: It recognizes yes or no.
[54:12.170 --> 54:13.330] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's nice.
[54:14.570 --> 54:16.750] [SPEAKER_01]: And if you call a payphone, it'll tell you.
[54:16.870 --> 54:17.750] [SPEAKER_01]: You're calling a payphone.
[54:17.850 --> 54:20.010] [SPEAKER_01]: And payphones can't accept collect calls now, can they?
[54:21.790 --> 54:23.470] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a rather useful thing to have.
[54:24.930 --> 54:31.410] [SPEAKER_01]: And if you try calling WBAI with that, you'll be told that WBAI does not accept collect calls.
[54:31.450 --> 54:33.350] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you won't be told WBAI doesn't accept collect calls.
[54:33.450 --> 54:37.090] [SPEAKER_01]: But you'll hear at the customer's request, the number you have dialed does not accept collect calls.
[54:37.190 --> 54:38.210] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, all fine and good.
[54:38.550 --> 54:40.290] [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of fun for us to play with.
[54:40.310 --> 54:46.230] [SPEAKER_01]: And as you can see, I conveyed a message that a normal operator would not allow me to convey.
[54:46.990 --> 54:49.010] [SPEAKER_01]: A normal operator would ask you what your name was.
[54:49.010 --> 54:53.810] [SPEAKER_01]: And if you said, my name is call me back at 279-3400, she'll say, uh-uh, that's not right.
[54:54.710 --> 54:57.790] [SPEAKER_01]: In all my years as an operator, I've never heard a name like that.
[54:58.610 --> 55:01.250] [SPEAKER_01]: But the computer does not question you.
[55:03.090 --> 55:03.450] [SPEAKER_01]: Lovely.
[55:04.410 --> 55:06.990] [SPEAKER_01]: Computers can be a lot of fun, if used properly.
[55:08.830 --> 55:17.370] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, my other point, and I think this is the important point, is what about all those poor people that don't have Touch-Tone phones?
[55:19.030 --> 55:20.850] [SPEAKER_01]: What about all those poor people?
[55:20.990 --> 55:31.020] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, in the old days, the old days, you would pick up the phone, dial O, plus the number.
[55:34.560 --> 55:37.640] [SPEAKER_01]: You would hear that little fading dial tone.
[55:41.260 --> 55:48.900] [SPEAKER_01]: And if you didn't enter anything after that tone, you'd get an operator.
[55:49.080 --> 55:50.400] [SPEAKER_09]: Welcome to New York Telephone.
[55:50.620 --> 55:52.420] [SPEAKER_09]: For collect calls, dial 1-1.
[55:52.580 --> 55:54.660] [SPEAKER_01]: Now you get this cheerful little recording.
[55:54.920 --> 55:56.000] [SPEAKER_09]: Complete billing number now.
[55:56.240 --> 55:59.900] [SPEAKER_09]: For person-to-person and other calls, dial 0 for the operator.
[56:01.280 --> 56:03.580] [SPEAKER_01]: Now would be a good time for an operator to come on, don't you think?
[56:05.140 --> 56:07.840] [SPEAKER_09]: For operator assistance, please stay on the line.
[56:08.600 --> 56:10.300] [SPEAKER_10]: May your telephone, Mrs. Prime, I'll help you.
[56:11.140 --> 56:11.760] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, operator.
[56:11.860 --> 56:13.180] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm having trouble getting through to this number.
[56:13.300 --> 56:14.340] [SPEAKER_01]: I was wondering if you could help me.
[56:15.340 --> 56:15.660] [SPEAKER_10]: Okay.
[56:16.920 --> 56:17.840] [SPEAKER_10]: What are you getting?
[56:17.900 --> 56:18.260] [SPEAKER_10]: No ring?
[56:18.340 --> 56:18.940] [SPEAKER_10]: Busy recording?
[56:19.320 --> 56:20.820] [SPEAKER_01]: I was getting a busy, actually.
[56:21.800 --> 56:22.800] [SPEAKER_10]: Okay, one moment, please.
[56:23.380 --> 56:24.540] [SPEAKER_01]: I was wondering if it was my phone.
[56:24.560 --> 56:25.560] [SPEAKER_10]: Do you want it verified, or...?
[56:25.560 --> 56:27.840] [SPEAKER_01]: No, I just want to know if that is, in fact, a busy signal.
[56:27.900 --> 56:29.100] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure about these sounds.
[56:29.340 --> 56:30.020] [SPEAKER_10]: Yes, it is.
[56:30.180 --> 56:30.840] [SPEAKER_01]: It is busy.
[56:31.000 --> 56:31.200] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[56:31.340 --> 56:32.280] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, thank you very much.
[56:32.280 --> 56:32.720] [SPEAKER_01]: You're welcome.
[56:33.060 --> 56:34.360] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, you heard it from the operator.
[56:34.600 --> 56:35.300] [SPEAKER_01]: Our lines are busy.
[56:35.720 --> 56:39.580] [SPEAKER_01]: But my point there is that it took a good 30 seconds.
[56:39.740 --> 56:43.580] [SPEAKER_01]: 30 seconds from when I dialed the last digit until I got the sound of an operator.
[56:43.720 --> 56:49.480] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, before this automated system, you get an operator in about 4 seconds, 4 or 5 seconds.
[56:50.320 --> 56:58.480] [SPEAKER_01]: So, if you don't have a Touch-Tone phone now, and you try dialing an O-plus call in your local area, you've got an extra 25 seconds to kill.
[56:59.160 --> 57:00.980] [SPEAKER_01]: And that is what I call progress.
[57:01.820 --> 57:03.300] [SPEAKER_01]: 212-279-3400.
[57:03.440 --> 57:03.840] [SPEAKER_01]: Good morning.
[57:04.180 --> 57:04.620] [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.
[57:04.760 --> 57:05.080] [SPEAKER_01]: Good morning.
[57:05.460 --> 57:06.660] [SPEAKER_01]: What's wrong with this phone here?
[57:07.220 --> 57:08.220] [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't work.
[57:08.360 --> 57:08.600] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[57:08.840 --> 57:09.680] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's go down here, then.
[57:10.060 --> 57:10.260] [SPEAKER_05]: Hello?
[57:10.480 --> 57:10.820] [SPEAKER_01]: Good morning.
[57:12.180 --> 57:12.820] [SPEAKER_01]: Go ahead.
[57:13.040 --> 57:16.040] [SPEAKER_05]: Listen, the phones are very important, but so is WBAI.
[57:16.040 --> 57:16.760] [SPEAKER_01]: You're right.
[57:16.800 --> 57:17.760] [SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't agree with you more.
[57:17.980 --> 57:18.400] [SPEAKER_01]: Good morning.
[57:18.700 --> 57:19.280] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, good morning.
[57:19.660 --> 57:20.080] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[57:20.280 --> 57:20.540] [SPEAKER_20]: Hi.
[57:20.940 --> 57:32.580] [SPEAKER_20]: I was told that there's a new way, if you're getting nuisance calls or prank calls, there's some sort of way of knowing where the call emanates.
[57:33.480 --> 57:34.960] [SPEAKER_20]: Have you heard anything about that?
[57:35.020 --> 57:36.920] [SPEAKER_01]: That's called caller ID service.
[57:37.260 --> 57:38.680] [SPEAKER_01]: Do you, by chance, live in New Jersey?
[57:39.440 --> 57:39.560] No.
[57:39.860 --> 57:40.100] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[57:40.260 --> 57:43.100] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's being offered in New Jersey quite heavily.
[57:43.100 --> 57:44.880] [SPEAKER_01]: It soon will be offered in New York.
[57:44.980 --> 57:46.620] [SPEAKER_01]: I believe Poughkeepsie is going to be testing it.
[57:47.380 --> 57:48.940] [SPEAKER_01]: There's good and bad in that, of course.
[57:49.340 --> 57:50.020] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot of fun.
[57:50.120 --> 57:55.260] [SPEAKER_20]: If you get a call, say, in the middle of the night, you get a nuisance call, be able to trace that call?
[57:55.580 --> 57:57.820] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you're able to trace those calls now.
[57:58.000 --> 58:05.900] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, not you as a person, but you can tell the phone company, you know, somebody called me at this time, please check it out.
[58:05.920 --> 58:08.480] [SPEAKER_01]: And they can check it out with increasing ease.
[58:08.480 --> 58:16.520] [SPEAKER_01]: But this new feature called caller ID allows you, the customer, to see the phone number calling you even before you pick up the phone.
[58:16.720 --> 58:19.360] [SPEAKER_20]: Well, you say with ease.
[58:19.560 --> 58:22.400] [SPEAKER_20]: It used to be you'd have to be on a minimum amount of time.
[58:22.540 --> 58:31.500] [SPEAKER_20]: In other words, if the phone rings twice and you hang up or somebody hangs up or rings once, they can trace the origination of that call?
[58:31.900 --> 58:35.780] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, if it just rings, if there's no actual pick up, that would be tough.
[58:36.260 --> 58:38.760] [SPEAKER_01]: Unless they were monitoring.
[58:39.180 --> 58:40.460] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if they can do this.
[58:40.500 --> 58:46.240] [SPEAKER_01]: They have the ability to, in the future, I'm certain, to monitor all digit styles from all phones, whether they connect or not.
[58:46.480 --> 58:50.620] [SPEAKER_01]: But if somebody called you, and it wasn't...
[58:50.620 --> 58:51.660] [SPEAKER_20]: It rang once or twice.
[58:51.820 --> 58:54.500] [SPEAKER_20]: There's no way in the world they can find out where that came from.
[58:54.680 --> 58:55.740] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so.
[58:55.860 --> 58:56.520] [SPEAKER_01]: Not now.
[58:56.800 --> 58:59.240] [SPEAKER_01]: Not without a connection.
[58:59.240 --> 59:01.720] [SPEAKER_20]: You would need more sophisticated software for that.
[59:02.140 --> 59:02.820] [SPEAKER_20]: I would imagine.
[59:02.900 --> 59:10.360] [SPEAKER_01]: Or you would need a suspect that they could throw a PAN register on their line and watch all the numbers they dial and just see if, you know, if that person dialed that number.
[59:10.720 --> 59:11.060] [SPEAKER_17]: Mm-hmm.
[59:11.580 --> 59:13.640] [SPEAKER_01]: But like I said, there's lots of ways around the system.
[59:13.740 --> 59:25.160] [SPEAKER_01]: But I think what you're talking about is the caller ID feature, which after that feature, after the first ring, and without you picking up, does give you the phone number.
[59:25.160 --> 59:27.840] [SPEAKER_01]: So in that way, yes, they do provide that service.
[59:27.980 --> 59:31.540] [SPEAKER_01]: But that's only in caller ID areas that have been wired for that.
[59:31.700 --> 59:32.700] [SPEAKER_20]: Which is what, New Jersey?
[59:32.900 --> 59:35.060] [SPEAKER_01]: So far, it's a good part of New Jersey.
[59:35.300 --> 59:41.520] [SPEAKER_20]: So in other words, the caller ID, you can ring once, and they hang up, and you know where that's from.
[59:41.580 --> 59:42.620] [SPEAKER_20]: You can find out where that's from?
[59:42.700 --> 59:43.480] [SPEAKER_01]: In most cases.
[59:43.480 --> 59:45.440] [SPEAKER_01]: It has to be in a certain area.
[59:45.780 --> 59:49.500] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, eventually, the goal is to have the whole country wired like that.
[59:49.860 --> 59:53.240] [SPEAKER_01]: And the data is sent after the first ring, between the first and second ring.
[59:53.340 --> 59:55.740] [SPEAKER_01]: If you pick up before the first ring is over, you don't get the number.
[59:56.640 --> 59:57.360] [SPEAKER_01]: It's sent...
[59:57.360 --> 59:59.440] [SPEAKER_20]: Is that a service or a piece of equipment you own?
[59:59.680 --> 01:00:00.800] [SPEAKER_01]: It's both, actually.
[01:00:00.960 --> 01:00:03.400] [SPEAKER_01]: You have to pay a monthly fee, and you have to buy a piece of equipment.
[01:00:04.460 --> 01:00:11.380] [SPEAKER_01]: The problem with New Jersey Bell is that New Jersey Bell is not offering call blocking, which I don't know about you, sir.
[01:00:11.460 --> 01:00:14.520] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you want your numbers shown up everywhere that you call.
[01:00:14.520 --> 01:00:29.060] [SPEAKER_20]: No, I've gotten calls at odd hours, and it rings once or twice, and I don't know if they're callbacks or whatever, but I read somewhere that there are nuisance calls, and people ring once or twice, but there was a way of, I guess it's what you call, you know,
[01:00:29.140 --> 01:00:32.980] [SPEAKER_20]: what you've just said, where with this, what do you call it, call ID?
[01:00:33.140 --> 01:00:34.000] [SPEAKER_01]: Caller ID, yeah.
[01:00:34.140 --> 01:00:36.560] [SPEAKER_20]: Just without picking it up, you know where it's from.
[01:00:36.760 --> 01:00:37.340] [SPEAKER_20]: That's amazing.
[01:00:37.540 --> 01:00:40.680] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's the intent of that service, I believe, but...
[01:00:41.320 --> 01:00:42.340] [SPEAKER_01]: Can I ask you another question?
[01:00:42.360 --> 01:00:43.540] [SPEAKER_01]: Let me just make one point, though.
[01:00:43.540 --> 01:00:54.000] [SPEAKER_01]: If somebody is harassing you, that's not necessarily the answer because they can always harass you from a third location, such as a payphone, or they can route their call in a way that it's not traceable.
[01:00:54.180 --> 01:00:54.360] [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[01:00:54.560 --> 01:00:58.820] [SPEAKER_01]: So, to think that this service provides all the answers is a mistake.
[01:00:59.040 --> 01:00:59.060] [SPEAKER_17]: Oh, no.
[01:00:59.060 --> 01:00:59.620] [SPEAKER_17]: I didn't think so.
[01:00:59.680 --> 01:01:00.220] [SPEAKER_17]: I didn't think so at all.
[01:01:00.220 --> 01:01:09.420] [SPEAKER_01]: It opens up a lot of potential problems with privacy, as far as calling certain services and wishing to remain anonymous.
[01:01:09.580 --> 01:01:16.600] [SPEAKER_01]: You never quite have the feeling that you're anonymous anymore when this technology exists, and that's going to affect the way we live our lives.
[01:01:16.720 --> 01:01:19.340] [SPEAKER_20]: But it's a way of cracking down on the prank calls.
[01:01:19.340 --> 01:01:26.180] [SPEAKER_01]: It is, but I don't believe that they've gotten out of hand more so in the last few years than ever before.
[01:01:26.440 --> 01:01:31.500] [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know if we have to give up our freedom to find who's making all those prank calls.
[01:01:31.500 --> 01:01:33.080] [SPEAKER_20]: One more question, if I can ask you.
[01:01:33.240 --> 01:01:33.300] [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah.
[01:01:33.300 --> 01:01:33.440] [SPEAKER_20]: Go ahead.
[01:01:33.820 --> 01:01:42.680] [SPEAKER_20]: When you call a number and you get a message that the number has been changed or disconnected, are you charged for that?
[01:01:42.760 --> 01:01:43.040] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no.
[01:01:43.380 --> 01:01:45.380] [SPEAKER_01]: No, you shouldn't be, if you are.
[01:01:46.260 --> 01:01:52.740] [SPEAKER_01]: Some long-distance companies don't have answer supervision, so they start charging after a certain amount of time.
[01:01:52.740 --> 01:01:59.140] [SPEAKER_01]: Also, some what we call private branch exchanges or PBXs that some companies use.
[01:02:00.700 --> 01:02:07.700] [SPEAKER_01]: Various internal companies have a certain sort of mini phone system of their own, and they generate their own bills.
[01:02:07.960 --> 01:02:20.480] [SPEAKER_01]: In other words, they get billed by the phone company, and then they rebuild their own people inside departments, and they don't have the sophistication to recognize answer supervision, which is what happens when somebody actually picks up the phone.
[01:02:20.480 --> 01:02:21.800] [SPEAKER_01]: So they do it after time, too.
[01:02:22.280 --> 01:02:24.000] [SPEAKER_01]: Lots of times people get billed for calls like that.
[01:02:24.140 --> 01:02:29.120] [SPEAKER_01]: So if you're making the call from your home, you shouldn't get charged.
[01:02:29.220 --> 01:02:30.500] [SPEAKER_01]: New York Telephone won't charge you for those.
[01:02:31.720 --> 01:02:35.380] [SPEAKER_20]: By the way, I think 3400, there's something wrong.
[01:02:35.700 --> 01:02:38.880] [SPEAKER_20]: I think if people dial 3401, they may get through easier.
[01:02:39.040 --> 01:02:40.200] [SPEAKER_20]: There's some sort of malfunction.
[01:02:40.600 --> 01:02:41.420] [SPEAKER_01]: Why do you say that?
[01:02:41.780 --> 01:02:45.640] [SPEAKER_20]: Well, it was true last night, people calling in.
[01:02:45.640 --> 01:02:50.640] [SPEAKER_20]: And I just noticed tonight, I was getting a busy signal on 00.
[01:02:51.100 --> 01:02:53.340] [SPEAKER_20]: And I just dialed 01 and got through rather easily.
[01:02:53.440 --> 01:02:56.180] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, the reason that happened was because you dialed just when somebody hung up.
[01:02:56.980 --> 01:03:01.280] [SPEAKER_01]: 3400 trips to 01, and trips to 02, and all the other ones down there.
[01:03:02.120 --> 01:03:05.180] [SPEAKER_01]: And the fact that you called in 01 meant that the space opened up.
[01:03:05.260 --> 01:03:07.700] [SPEAKER_01]: You're showing up on 07.
[01:03:08.020 --> 01:03:09.580] [SPEAKER_01]: So you went all the way down there.
[01:03:09.680 --> 01:03:11.860] [SPEAKER_01]: If you had called 3400, you still would have jumped all the way down.
[01:03:12.280 --> 01:03:13.500] [SPEAKER_20]: Don't give out to any tricks.
[01:03:13.840 --> 01:03:15.720] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, well, you know, people have the right to know these things.
[01:03:16.320 --> 01:03:16.920] [SPEAKER_20]: Thanks a lot.
[01:03:17.060 --> 01:03:17.280] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[01:03:17.600 --> 01:03:18.080] [SPEAKER_01]: Bye-bye.
[01:03:19.340 --> 01:03:21.760] [SPEAKER_01]: Our phone number... actually, he showed up on 06.
[01:03:22.520 --> 01:03:23.880] [SPEAKER_01]: I gave out bad information.
[01:03:24.980 --> 01:03:27.960] [SPEAKER_01]: Our number is 212-279-3400.
[01:03:28.120 --> 01:03:30.100] [SPEAKER_01]: Area code... area code...
[01:03:30.100 --> 01:03:30.840] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's area code.
[01:03:30.980 --> 01:03:31.900] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, 212, right.
[01:03:32.920 --> 01:03:34.620] [SPEAKER_01]: Area... you know, you ever think of these words.
[01:03:34.800 --> 01:03:35.380] [SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of weird.
[01:03:35.580 --> 01:03:36.200] [SPEAKER_01]: Area code.
[01:03:36.300 --> 01:03:36.760] [SPEAKER_01]: What does that mean?
[01:03:36.880 --> 01:03:37.460] [SPEAKER_01]: What's an area?
[01:03:37.620 --> 01:03:38.200] [SPEAKER_01]: What's a code?
[01:03:38.580 --> 01:03:39.160] [SPEAKER_01]: Hang up.
[01:03:39.320 --> 01:03:40.180] [SPEAKER_01]: What are you hanging?
[01:03:40.180 --> 01:03:41.060] [SPEAKER_01]: Hang up?
[01:03:41.280 --> 01:03:42.160] [SPEAKER_01]: It must be...
[01:03:42.160 --> 01:03:43.000] [SPEAKER_01]: I was thinking about this before.
[01:03:43.160 --> 01:03:52.620] [SPEAKER_01]: It must be from the old days with those old-fashioned telephones that, you know, you would hold one piece up to your ear and talk into the main unit with your mouth.
[01:03:53.380 --> 01:03:59.900] [SPEAKER_01]: And when you were finished, you would actually hang the earpiece up on the phone itself.
[01:04:00.820 --> 01:04:02.060] [SPEAKER_01]: But you don't do that anymore.
[01:04:02.320 --> 01:04:02.860] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it doesn't...
[01:04:02.860 --> 01:04:03.940] [SPEAKER_01]: You're not hanging anything up.
[01:04:03.980 --> 01:04:04.860] [SPEAKER_01]: You're putting it down.
[01:04:05.700 --> 01:04:06.200] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[01:04:06.360 --> 01:04:10.740] [SPEAKER_01]: So, we still use the phraseology from those old days, but we don't realize it.
[01:04:10.880 --> 01:04:12.460] [SPEAKER_01]: We just say, he hung up on me.
[01:04:12.780 --> 01:04:15.560] [SPEAKER_01]: When you should say, he put me down.
[01:04:16.840 --> 01:04:18.520] [SPEAKER_01]: 212-279-3400.
[01:04:18.520 --> 01:04:18.600] [SPEAKER_01]: 212-279-3400.
[01:04:19.440 --> 01:04:20.200] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[01:04:20.840 --> 01:04:21.640] [SPEAKER_01]: He's right.
[01:04:22.200 --> 01:04:23.500] [SPEAKER_01]: I stand corrected.
[01:04:23.680 --> 01:04:24.480] [SPEAKER_01]: He is absolutely right.
[01:04:24.800 --> 01:04:29.180] [SPEAKER_01]: 3-400, there is a problem, because when I press that button, it doesn't pick up.
[01:04:30.000 --> 01:04:30.640] [SPEAKER_01]: My apologies.
[01:04:31.060 --> 01:04:31.700] [SPEAKER_01]: My apologies.
[01:04:32.000 --> 01:04:32.140] [SPEAKER_01]: My apologies.
[01:04:32.300 --> 01:04:33.520] [SPEAKER_01]: I see what he was saying now.
[01:04:34.140 --> 01:04:34.460] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[01:04:34.580 --> 01:04:35.880] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, there's nothing I can do about that.
[01:04:35.980 --> 01:04:40.040] [SPEAKER_01]: I have no idea who is on 3-400, but I'm trying to push that button, and I can't do it.
[01:04:40.600 --> 01:04:41.380] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't do it.
[01:04:41.460 --> 01:04:42.380] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't push that button.
[01:04:42.500 --> 01:04:48.520] [SPEAKER_01]: So, I'll write this up as a problem, and hopefully it'll get fixed.
[01:04:50.100 --> 01:04:51.540] [SPEAKER_01]: But you won't be able to tell.
[01:04:51.660 --> 01:04:54.400] [SPEAKER_01]: When you call in, you won't be able to tell if you are on 3-400 or not.
[01:04:54.540 --> 01:04:55.960] [SPEAKER_01]: So, there's nothing I can do to help.
[01:04:56.520 --> 01:04:56.840] [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.
[01:04:57.300 --> 01:04:57.620] [SPEAKER_01]: 212.
[01:04:58.620 --> 01:04:59.020] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[01:04:59.160 --> 01:05:01.760] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll give out 212-279-3401.
[01:05:01.840 --> 01:05:02.240] [SPEAKER_01]: How's that?
[01:05:02.400 --> 01:05:03.380] [SPEAKER_01]: People can call that number.
[01:05:03.440 --> 01:05:06.680] [SPEAKER_01]: That way, they definitely won't get hooked into 3-400.
[01:05:07.000 --> 01:05:14.660] [SPEAKER_01]: So, if you find the phone's been ringing an awfully long time, it's a good chance that you're the one that ended up on the wrong line.
[01:05:14.800 --> 01:05:16.820] [SPEAKER_01]: So, let's go to another line.
[01:05:18.640 --> 01:05:19.300] [SPEAKER_01]: Good morning.
[01:05:20.180 --> 01:05:20.580] [SPEAKER_04]: WBAI?
[01:05:20.800 --> 01:05:21.320] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's it.
[01:05:21.480 --> 01:05:22.540] [SPEAKER_04]: Is this the radio program?
[01:05:22.740 --> 01:05:23.480] [SPEAKER_01]: That's what it is.
[01:05:23.900 --> 01:05:24.900] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I'm on the air then?
[01:05:24.960 --> 01:05:25.680] [SPEAKER_01]: You're on the air.
[01:05:25.780 --> 01:05:25.980] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh.
[01:05:27.620 --> 01:05:27.860] [SPEAKER_04]: I hear that.
[01:05:27.960 --> 01:05:28.320] [SPEAKER_04]: I hear that.
[01:05:28.420 --> 01:05:28.840] [SPEAKER_04]: I hear that.
[01:05:30.040 --> 01:05:30.700] [SPEAKER_01]: Ah, boy.
[01:05:31.100 --> 01:05:31.740] [SPEAKER_01]: Good morning.
[01:05:32.200 --> 01:05:32.480] [SPEAKER_03]: Hello.
[01:05:32.900 --> 01:05:33.180] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah?
[01:05:34.640 --> 01:05:35.120] Uh...
[01:05:35.120 --> 01:05:35.860] [SPEAKER_03]: Just a minute.
[01:05:37.840 --> 01:05:38.320] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh...
[01:05:38.320 --> 01:05:42.700] [SPEAKER_03]: Actually, I tried calling 3-400 about 15 minutes ago and it did ring.
[01:05:42.700 --> 01:05:46.160] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, the person who is on 3-400 has hung up.
[01:05:46.280 --> 01:05:47.900] [SPEAKER_01]: And now somebody else just called in.
[01:05:48.480 --> 01:05:50.920] [SPEAKER_01]: Person, you are not going to get picked up because I can't pick up that line.
[01:05:51.040 --> 01:05:53.400] [SPEAKER_01]: So, hang up and call 279-3401.
[01:05:53.780 --> 01:05:53.920] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[01:05:54.020 --> 01:05:55.100] [SPEAKER_01]: Are you talking to me?
[01:05:55.100 --> 01:05:57.940] [SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm talking to the little light that I see flashing on the console.
[01:05:58.140 --> 01:05:58.180] [SPEAKER_01]: I am connected.
[01:05:58.180 --> 01:05:59.120] [SPEAKER_01]: You're connected, yes.
[01:05:59.280 --> 01:06:00.140] [SPEAKER_01]: You can hear me too.
[01:06:00.140 --> 01:06:00.980] [SPEAKER_01]: I can hear you fine.
[01:06:01.100 --> 01:06:06.080] [SPEAKER_01]: But the thing that you just mentioned, yes, you called up and it rang and I could see it ringing.
[01:06:06.200 --> 01:06:07.820] [SPEAKER_01]: The problem is I can't pick up that line.
[01:06:07.920 --> 01:06:08.280] [SPEAKER_01]: Ah.
[01:06:08.500 --> 01:06:09.240] [SPEAKER_01]: That's the problem.
[01:06:09.380 --> 01:06:11.900] [SPEAKER_01]: So, it sounds and it looks like it's working, but it's not.
[01:06:12.200 --> 01:06:14.060] [SPEAKER_06]: It didn't give a busy signal or anything.
[01:06:14.440 --> 01:06:15.080] [SPEAKER_01]: It does.
[01:06:15.080 --> 01:06:17.460] [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't give a busy signal because it's actually ringing.
[01:06:17.600 --> 01:06:21.200] [SPEAKER_01]: The problem is with the mechanism here where I can't push a button.
[01:06:21.340 --> 01:06:24.240] [SPEAKER_01]: And the person who has called in has ignored my pleas to hang up.
[01:06:24.340 --> 01:06:25.160] [SPEAKER_01]: He's still ringing the phone.
[01:06:25.300 --> 01:06:25.900] [SPEAKER_01]: There's nothing I can do.
[01:06:25.920 --> 01:06:26.960] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't pick up that phone.
[01:06:27.420 --> 01:06:28.360] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't do it.
[01:06:28.880 --> 01:06:33.000] [SPEAKER_03]: Listen, I've been listening to what you have to say with great interest.
[01:06:33.000 --> 01:06:41.660] [SPEAKER_03]: And of course, like everyone else, I could provide you with some stories, both current and all the way back.
[01:06:41.660 --> 01:06:41.960] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh-huh.
[01:06:42.040 --> 01:06:45.960] [SPEAKER_03]: I can't remember when I actually did hang up the phone.
[01:06:46.080 --> 01:06:48.620] [SPEAKER_03]: When I was a kid, that's the way the phones were.
[01:06:49.340 --> 01:06:56.300] [SPEAKER_03]: They had a receiver, and you picked them up, and you held it to your ear, and you talked into this daffodil sort of...
[01:06:56.300 --> 01:06:56.600] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh-huh.
[01:06:56.820 --> 01:06:57.260] [SPEAKER_03]: So...
[01:06:57.260 --> 01:07:07.280] [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, there's something I'm almost embarrassed to mention, but I get the impression people haven't thought about it, and that is that there are too many people using the phones.
[01:07:07.880 --> 01:07:08.260] [SPEAKER_03]: You know?
[01:07:08.460 --> 01:07:09.180] [SPEAKER_03]: How so?
[01:07:09.220 --> 01:07:09.820] [SPEAKER_03]: The whole system.
[01:07:10.420 --> 01:07:11.000] [SPEAKER_01]: How so?
[01:07:11.660 --> 01:07:20.720] [SPEAKER_03]: You must have an overload, and if you get too many people all trying to use the system, the system, any system, it breaks down.
[01:07:21.320 --> 01:07:23.500] [SPEAKER_03]: And we're obviously reaching that point.
[01:07:23.680 --> 01:07:27.900] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, systems can be redesigned to handle more traffic, and I...
[01:07:27.900 --> 01:07:36.100] [SPEAKER_03]: It can, but eventually the efficiency becomes... of redesigning it... I mean, there are limitations.
[01:07:36.100 --> 01:07:50.520] [SPEAKER_03]: Now, we've gotten to a point where there are a number of different companies, Sprint and all these other companies, and obviously, I think it's obvious anyway, maybe it's not, but one company should be handling the whole thing.
[01:07:51.080 --> 01:07:56.160] [SPEAKER_03]: Everybody... nobody liked AT&T, and when they were broken up, everybody cheered.
[01:07:56.320 --> 01:08:06.460] [SPEAKER_03]: But now almost every rational person thinks, well, it would be better if AT&T... much as we hate AT&T, it would be better to have one outfit running the whole damn thing.
[01:08:06.460 --> 01:08:12.400] [SPEAKER_01]: Why... why... why is it better... why is it better for one outfit to run something rather than... you see, it's not the same system.
[01:08:12.500 --> 01:08:14.840] [SPEAKER_01]: They're all using their own individual systems.
[01:08:14.920 --> 01:08:32.160] [SPEAKER_03]: That's the... that's the problem, is that you call some... you've got... you're using Sprint or Daz or Dice or Ringo or whatever, and you want to call somebody else who's using Whiskey or Sprint or something, and there's got to be some kind of interface,
[01:08:32.320 --> 01:08:52.520] [SPEAKER_03]: and since both of these systems are competing in... in... with each other in some respects, there... there are going to be glitches and anomalies and whatnot in the... in the connections, and you multiply the number of connections possible by the number of users and the number of different companies all trying to fight for the same business,
[01:08:52.720 --> 01:08:55.240] [SPEAKER_01]: and it's... it's amazing that it works at all.
[01:08:55.340 --> 01:08:57.260] [SPEAKER_01]: Let me... all right, let me correct you on one thing.
[01:08:57.560 --> 01:09:04.360] [SPEAKER_01]: When you call someone using Sprint, and you call someone else who's using MCI, it doesn't care what they're using as their...
[01:09:04.360 --> 01:09:07.580] [SPEAKER_01]: as their long-distance company, because that's only for outgoing service.
[01:09:07.900 --> 01:09:13.720] [SPEAKER_01]: Everybody has a phone number, and that's handled by the local Bell operating company, and that hasn't changed.
[01:09:13.980 --> 01:09:17.080] [SPEAKER_01]: It might change someday, but it has not changed yet.
[01:09:18.140 --> 01:09:23.240] [SPEAKER_01]: And I... I understand your concern, but I don't think that's... that's an issue.
[01:09:23.400 --> 01:09:26.280] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that's something that... that is likely to happen.
[01:09:26.720 --> 01:09:29.200] [SPEAKER_01]: The systems aren't intertangled.
[01:09:29.360 --> 01:09:31.080] [SPEAKER_01]: They're just different options.
[01:09:31.240 --> 01:09:36.680] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like you run three wires to a certain location instead of two, and then you give people the choice of three instead of two.
[01:09:36.920 --> 01:09:39.560] [SPEAKER_01]: That doesn't mean that they're going to get intertangled.
[01:09:39.780 --> 01:09:42.420] [SPEAKER_01]: Handled improperly, yeah, it could happen, but...
[01:09:42.420 --> 01:09:47.200] [SPEAKER_01]: and I think things are being handled improperly to a degree, but not to that extent.
[01:09:48.740 --> 01:09:52.000] [SPEAKER_03]: So, in other words, you're telling me then that I'm wrong, and you're right.
[01:09:52.240 --> 01:09:53.280] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's what I think.
[01:09:53.800 --> 01:09:54.580] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, okay.
[01:09:54.740 --> 01:09:57.420] [SPEAKER_03]: I... I... I... you... you... you may be right.
[01:09:58.240 --> 01:09:58.680] [SPEAKER_03]: But...
[01:09:58.680 --> 01:10:02.020] [SPEAKER_01]: Can you... can you give me an example of... of that happening?
[01:10:02.680 --> 01:10:13.300] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I'm, of course, since I'm not intimately familiar with how the whole damn thing works, I'm never quite sure why something doesn't happen, you know, the way it should.
[01:10:14.260 --> 01:10:19.100] [SPEAKER_03]: I recently have been having some experience with a... with another dial system.
[01:10:19.100 --> 01:10:26.980] [SPEAKER_03]: It was in a hospital that I was in, and you... the system had no name on it, so I don't know whose system it was.
[01:10:27.100 --> 01:10:31.240] [SPEAKER_03]: It had a phone that looked like a regular phone, but you had to...
[01:10:31.240 --> 01:10:41.700] [SPEAKER_03]: even for a local call, you had to, uh... first dial the number, and then wait until somebody answered before dropping the, uh, coin in.
[01:10:41.960 --> 01:10:42.180] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[01:10:42.200 --> 01:10:46.680] [SPEAKER_01]: You're talking about one of those, uh, newfangled payphones, which actually go back to an old system.
[01:10:47.500 --> 01:10:53.380] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, again, they don't have the capability of detecting when somebody answers, so they leave it up to you to deposit the coin.
[01:10:53.540 --> 01:10:53.780] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[01:10:53.780 --> 01:10:55.540] [SPEAKER_01]: That's... that's just that payphone, though.
[01:10:55.600 --> 01:10:58.280] [SPEAKER_01]: That payphone is using regular phone company lines to complete...
[01:10:58.280 --> 01:11:00.100] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I realize that, but...
[01:11:00.100 --> 01:11:02.540] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm... I'm just, uh...
[01:11:02.540 --> 01:11:02.900] [SPEAKER_01]: I...
[01:11:02.900 --> 01:11:06.980] [SPEAKER_03]: All right, another example that... that, again, I could be, you know...
[01:11:06.980 --> 01:11:09.420] [SPEAKER_03]: I could be just dumb about this, but...
[01:11:09.420 --> 01:11:10.360] [SPEAKER_03]: So help me.
[01:11:10.440 --> 01:11:11.600] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not making this up now.
[01:11:11.620 --> 01:11:12.760] [SPEAKER_03]: I swear this is true.
[01:11:12.920 --> 01:11:14.260] [SPEAKER_03]: I never lie on these things.
[01:11:14.620 --> 01:11:27.580] [SPEAKER_03]: About three months ago, I got a call from an Australian, and I started to hang up, because I don't know any Australians, and he says, don't hang up, don't hang up, and I'm calling you, and I said, the hell you are.
[01:11:27.640 --> 01:11:28.640] [SPEAKER_03]: You got the wrong number.
[01:11:28.640 --> 01:11:30.540] [SPEAKER_03]: And he says, I'm calling from Tasmania.
[01:11:31.100 --> 01:11:34.280] [SPEAKER_03]: And I said, well, wherever you're calling from, you got the wrong number.
[01:11:34.340 --> 01:11:37.900] [SPEAKER_03]: And he insisted he hadn't, that he had called my number at random.
[01:11:38.140 --> 01:11:41.100] [SPEAKER_03]: And it turned out there were four guys on there from Tasmania.
[01:11:41.460 --> 01:11:45.280] [SPEAKER_03]: I taped the call, as it were, and we talked for about two hours.
[01:11:45.480 --> 01:11:46.640] [SPEAKER_03]: They were all drunk.
[01:11:47.060 --> 01:11:54.260] [SPEAKER_03]: And they had evidently some way, they told me from, calling from Tasmania, that they had, they knew now how to dial New York.
[01:11:54.460 --> 01:11:57.460] [SPEAKER_03]: And they were dialed, they dialed my number at random in New York.
[01:11:58.600 --> 01:12:00.460] [SPEAKER_03]: Now, they shouldn't have been able to do this.
[01:12:00.600 --> 01:12:00.860] [SPEAKER_03]: Well...
[01:12:00.860 --> 01:12:01.980] [SPEAKER_03]: They talked for two hours.
[01:12:02.160 --> 01:12:02.620] [SPEAKER_01]: Why not?
[01:12:02.780 --> 01:12:04.960] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, why can't we talk to people for two hours?
[01:12:05.220 --> 01:12:06.160] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean...
[01:12:06.160 --> 01:12:08.040] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's, well, it's an amazing...
[01:12:08.040 --> 01:12:09.360] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you talked for two hours.
[01:12:09.440 --> 01:12:10.700] [SPEAKER_01]: It must have been fun, right?
[01:12:11.260 --> 01:12:13.580] [SPEAKER_01]: It's an amazing experience to be able to talk to somebody.
[01:12:13.740 --> 01:12:19.200] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I was, for several days afterward, I was a bit uneasy with the thought that, geez, how do I know it was free?
[01:12:19.200 --> 01:12:21.580] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe they had some way of making it correct.
[01:12:21.780 --> 01:12:28.720] [SPEAKER_03]: And maybe I'm going to get a bill for $150 for a call to Tasmania in a week and, you know, bill to my number.
[01:12:28.940 --> 01:12:29.980] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, it didn't happen.
[01:12:30.060 --> 01:12:31.140] [SPEAKER_03]: At least it hasn't happened yet.
[01:12:31.720 --> 01:12:32.640] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah.
[01:12:33.020 --> 01:12:34.600] [SPEAKER_01]: I understand your concern.
[01:12:35.400 --> 01:12:35.840] [SPEAKER_00]: And...
[01:12:37.640 --> 01:12:38.080] The...
[01:12:38.680 --> 01:12:39.120] [SPEAKER_03]: It's...
[01:12:39.120 --> 01:12:48.460] [SPEAKER_03]: It do seem to me that, you know, people hark back to the good old days of the phone system when, as you say, when you could pick dial and then a live operator got on.
[01:12:48.460 --> 01:12:53.600] [SPEAKER_03]: And if you had a problem, she'd listen to you and was apparently intelligent enough to understand you.
[01:12:53.820 --> 01:13:03.860] [SPEAKER_03]: But now, obviously, there are not enough operators, you know, and probably not enough operators in the entire United States to handle all the calls in that way, you know.
[01:13:03.920 --> 01:13:07.480] [SPEAKER_03]: Nobody would be calling because they'd all be working in their phone exchange.
[01:13:07.880 --> 01:13:09.040] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, I think...
[01:13:09.040 --> 01:13:13.260] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to have to let you go because we're out of time, but I think you've raised some good points.
[01:13:14.120 --> 01:13:19.960] [SPEAKER_01]: There is a tangled web, but I don't think the tangled web is so much of the technology as it is of the education.
[01:13:20.400 --> 01:13:21.960] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think we're being told enough.
[01:13:22.220 --> 01:13:23.600] [SPEAKER_01]: And we're not stupid.
[01:13:23.780 --> 01:13:25.800] [SPEAKER_01]: We're not dumb for not understanding this.
[01:13:25.900 --> 01:13:27.420] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just not being explained properly.
[01:13:27.420 --> 01:13:28.560] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not being designed properly.
[01:13:28.700 --> 01:13:30.680] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not being designed for human beings to use.
[01:13:36.010 --> 01:13:42.670] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we are clear out of time again, and I won't be back in two weeks because I'll be away somewhere.
[01:13:42.850 --> 01:13:43.650] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know where.
[01:13:44.670 --> 01:13:48.310] [SPEAKER_01]: Driving away on my car that has no mileage on it, which is going to be an amazing experience.
[01:13:49.050 --> 01:13:54.790] [SPEAKER_01]: I want to thank everybody who called in, and hopefully we'll see you again in about four weeks or so, eh?
[01:13:55.510 --> 01:13:56.770] [SPEAKER_01]: Emmanuel Goldstein saying goodnight.