Off The Hook - 1990-05-11

[01:01.640 --> 01:05.380]  [SPEAKER_11]: Let's go tag me over to your place.
[01:05.600 --> 01:08.690]  [SPEAKER_11]: Just a chance I'm finding you there.
[01:10.330 --> 01:16.260]  [SPEAKER_11]: Cause it's been a while, I'm hoping you still don't care.
[01:16.900 --> 01:20.280]  [SPEAKER_11]: Watch the sun rise over the river.
[01:20.830 --> 01:23.850]  [SPEAKER_11]: Watch the darkness fade to light.
[01:25.720 --> 01:31.480]  [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, it's been a while, I miss those New York nights.
[01:33.350 --> 01:37.160]  [SPEAKER_11]: I'm tracing the steps that I did take.
[01:37.400 --> 01:38.790]  [SPEAKER_11]: I'm back on Broadway.
[01:40.960 --> 01:44.760]  [SPEAKER_11]: New York City night, the neon lights.
[01:45.100 --> 01:46.660]  [SPEAKER_11]: I'm back here to stay.
[01:48.420 --> 01:51.240]  [SPEAKER_11]: Backtrack, track, I knew I was wrong.
[01:51.460 --> 01:52.540]  [SPEAKER_11]: I've come on back.
[01:52.540 --> 01:54.290]  [SPEAKER_11]: Backtrack, track, baby.
[01:56.180 --> 01:58.880]  [SPEAKER_11]: Backtrack, track, I've been gone too long.
[01:59.120 --> 02:01.760]  [SPEAKER_11]: Oh, take me back, track, baby.
[02:03.840 --> 02:06.440]  [SPEAKER_11]: Backtrack, track, I knew I was wrong.
[02:06.660 --> 02:07.510]  [SPEAKER_11]: I've come on back.
[02:11.520 --> 02:14.780]  [SPEAKER_11]: Backtrack, track, I've been gone too long.
[02:26.400 --> 02:27.840]  [SPEAKER_05]: What an ending, what a finish.
[02:28.620 --> 02:34.000]  [SPEAKER_05]: Oh boy, well that's the record that Andrew got from... what was it, Total Stranger?
[02:34.420 --> 02:35.560]  [SPEAKER_13]: I don't know, it was just in the mailbox.
[02:35.560 --> 02:38.020]  [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, someone just without a cover like that.
[02:38.160 --> 02:41.320]  [SPEAKER_05]: That explains why the big scratch down the middle that we are listening to.
[02:41.780 --> 02:43.840]  [SPEAKER_05]: That was Sir Bone.
[02:44.800 --> 02:50.240]  [SPEAKER_05]: No, I'm sorry, Sir Roan, with Backtrack, which could very well have been a hit for all I know.
[02:50.280 --> 02:51.700]  [SPEAKER_05]: I don't really keep up to date on these things.
[02:53.200 --> 02:55.100]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, folks, this is Emmanuel Goldstein.
[02:55.420 --> 02:56.220]  [SPEAKER_05]: Who am I filling in for?
[02:56.300 --> 02:57.740]  [SPEAKER_05]: Bob Fass I'm filling in for right now.
[02:57.740 --> 03:05.240]  [SPEAKER_05]: And we're asking for your support to keep radio stations, or to keep this particular radio station...
[03:05.240 --> 03:06.760]  [SPEAKER_03]: She said it was Bob Fass's fault that he wasn't here.
[03:06.780 --> 03:07.920]  [SPEAKER_03]: I think there was a bit of confusion.
[03:08.200 --> 03:10.940]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, well, there was a bit of confusion in places like that.
[03:10.940 --> 03:12.080]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I think there was a bit of confusion.
[03:12.600 --> 03:14.440]  [SPEAKER_05]: And Bob is not to blame at all.
[03:15.620 --> 03:16.640]  [SPEAKER_05]: No one's to blame.
[03:16.880 --> 03:17.560]  [SPEAKER_05]: There's no blame.
[03:18.120 --> 03:22.180]  [SPEAKER_05]: I think there was a bit of confusion, and he thought he shouldn't be here tonight.
[03:22.500 --> 03:25.720]  [SPEAKER_05]: And in fact, Emmanuel's here, and...
[03:25.720 --> 03:28.900]  [SPEAKER_05]: I was confused before, too, because I thought I was supposed to be here, and I wasn't.
[03:29.120 --> 03:29.680]  [SPEAKER_05]: But here I am.
[03:29.700 --> 03:30.600]  [SPEAKER_05]: This reflects very badly on me.
[03:30.860 --> 03:34.320]  [SPEAKER_05]: No, well, you know, in great places there's confusion.
[03:35.120 --> 03:35.440]  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think it was my fault.
[03:35.440 --> 03:36.500]  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think it was my fault.
[03:36.640 --> 03:42.660]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, if you think it was Andrew's fault, let's set up a special 900 number where people can vote on this, and then the proceeds will go to us.
[03:44.240 --> 03:46.640]  [SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, this is my suggestion.
[03:47.740 --> 03:48.980]  [SPEAKER_05]: We need support.
[03:49.120 --> 03:53.400]  [SPEAKER_05]: We want to get the funds up a bit in the overnight period.
[03:53.820 --> 03:55.200]  [SPEAKER_05]: And we also want to talk to you.
[03:55.280 --> 04:01.240]  [SPEAKER_05]: We also want to take some calls and talk about current events and talk about your personal lives and things you'd rather not talk about.
[04:02.240 --> 04:03.720]  [SPEAKER_05]: So, I want to get...
[04:03.720 --> 04:09.120]  [SPEAKER_05]: When I get the message from the tally room that we have gotten at least one pledge.
[04:09.560 --> 04:11.460]  [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, that's not much to ask for, is it?
[04:11.460 --> 04:13.100]  [SPEAKER_05]: One pledge, okay?
[04:13.340 --> 04:18.860]  [SPEAKER_05]: From this point on, from this point on, at 212-279-3400.
[04:19.040 --> 04:20.020]  [SPEAKER_05]: Give us a call.
[04:20.240 --> 04:21.100]  [SPEAKER_05]: Make a pledge.
[04:21.320 --> 04:22.940]  [SPEAKER_05]: Show your support for WBAI.
[04:23.080 --> 04:30.800]  [SPEAKER_05]: And when you do that, I mean, you could be the one person out there, the person, you know, who has insomnia or is just driving around aimlessly at night.
[04:31.360 --> 04:38.080]  [SPEAKER_05]: You can be the one to pull over to the side of the road or pick up your phone and give us a call, 212-279-3400.
[04:38.440 --> 04:39.340]  [SPEAKER_05]: Make a donation.
[04:40.400 --> 04:41.840]  [SPEAKER_05]: And you'll feel good about it.
[04:41.900 --> 04:44.900]  [SPEAKER_05]: You'll feel good about knowing that you've said something.
[04:44.900 --> 04:45.760]  [SPEAKER_05]: You've made a statement.
[04:45.940 --> 04:48.540]  [SPEAKER_05]: You've contributed your bit to this radio station.
[04:49.280 --> 04:53.500]  [SPEAKER_05]: And, yes, I see the number up there on the tally screen, but it has not changed.
[04:53.600 --> 04:58.680]  [SPEAKER_05]: And when that number changes, when someone calls in and makes a pledge, we're going to go to the phones.
[04:59.180 --> 05:03.660]  [SPEAKER_05]: We're going to go to 212-279-3407, which is our call in line.
[05:03.800 --> 05:06.540]  [SPEAKER_05]: And we'll talk to people and see what's on their minds tonight.
[05:07.840 --> 05:25.900]  [SPEAKER_05]: But until we get that one call, just that one call with a pledge of any amount, which I believe the pledge people will help you with, at 212-279-3400, until we get that one call, all these people waiting will just have to wait a little bit longer.
[05:26.460 --> 05:33.680]  [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it sounds unfair, I suppose, but the fact of the matter is WBAI is not like other radio stations.
[05:33.700 --> 05:34.980]  [SPEAKER_05]: I'm sure you know that by now.
[05:35.140 --> 05:39.900]  [SPEAKER_05]: I'm sure people listening are well acquainted with the fact that we have to ask for your support.
[05:39.900 --> 05:51.680]  [SPEAKER_05]: It's not, it's not something that, I mean, we don't hate doing it, but it's not something that we, you know, we're all that amazed by, you know, we don't enjoy it as much as maybe you think we enjoy it.
[05:51.780 --> 05:55.080]  [SPEAKER_05]: It's something that has to be done, because if we don't do it, we don't continue.
[05:55.080 --> 05:57.540]  [SPEAKER_05]: Now, what's the alternative?
[05:57.660 --> 05:59.920]  [SPEAKER_05]: What's the alternative to asking for money over the air?
[06:00.060 --> 06:03.700]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, the alternative is to sell time over the air and make money that way.
[06:04.060 --> 06:16.340]  [SPEAKER_05]: And if we were to do that, the people that we would sell time to, or the corporations and businesses and all those other mean, nasty, ugly things would say to us, we don't like these kind of programs.
[06:16.380 --> 06:17.300]  [SPEAKER_05]: They're too controversial.
[06:17.660 --> 06:21.820]  [SPEAKER_05]: They don't cater to the mass audiences that we want to reach.
[06:21.980 --> 06:23.360]  [SPEAKER_05]: They're too particular.
[06:23.640 --> 06:25.540]  [SPEAKER_05]: They're too esoteric.
[06:26.460 --> 06:33.400]  [SPEAKER_05]: But when you have actual individual people supporting a radio station like this, then it's different.
[06:33.520 --> 06:36.080]  [SPEAKER_05]: Then you have the voice of the individual, which is what I want to get to.
[06:36.160 --> 06:39.080]  [SPEAKER_05]: I want to get to the voice of the individual, but we need one individual.
[06:39.320 --> 06:39.540]  [SPEAKER_05]: You.
[06:39.660 --> 06:40.080]  [SPEAKER_05]: That's right.
[06:40.200 --> 06:40.380]  [SPEAKER_05]: You.
[06:40.480 --> 06:41.080]  [SPEAKER_05]: You're the person.
[06:41.080 --> 06:43.160]  [SPEAKER_05]: 212-279-3400.
[06:43.160 --> 06:43.580]  [SPEAKER_05]: Call up.
[06:43.660 --> 06:44.180]  [SPEAKER_05]: Make a pledge.
[06:45.300 --> 06:47.460]  [SPEAKER_05]: And we will go to the phone calls.
[06:48.040 --> 06:48.980]  [SPEAKER_05]: You can be anywhere.
[06:49.140 --> 06:50.000]  [SPEAKER_05]: You can be on Long Island.
[06:50.160 --> 06:51.220]  [SPEAKER_05]: You can be in New York City.
[06:51.720 --> 06:56.900]  [SPEAKER_05]: You can be in Brooklyn, Bronx, New Jersey, Connecticut, Pennsylvania.
[06:57.300 --> 06:57.420]  [SPEAKER_13]: Hmm?
[06:57.840 --> 06:58.240]  [SPEAKER_05]: Anywhere.
[06:58.860 --> 06:59.940]  [SPEAKER_05]: But you have to call us.
[07:00.020 --> 07:00.940]  [SPEAKER_05]: And you have to call us now.
[07:01.080 --> 07:03.300]  [SPEAKER_05]: 212-279-3400.
[07:03.380 --> 07:06.320]  [SPEAKER_05]: I know there's people out there because there's people waiting on the call-in line.
[07:06.480 --> 07:08.100]  [SPEAKER_05]: I see them there waiting patiently.
[07:09.320 --> 07:13.560]  [SPEAKER_05]: But there's still no one on the pledge line.
[07:13.640 --> 07:14.380]  [SPEAKER_05]: Now, what does that say?
[07:15.300 --> 07:19.520]  [SPEAKER_05]: Does that say that people are not willing to support the station?
[07:19.520 --> 07:23.600]  [SPEAKER_05]: I know that's not true because we've already raised over $70,000 in two days.
[07:24.400 --> 07:25.600]  [SPEAKER_05]: And that's quite good.
[07:26.760 --> 07:32.000]  [SPEAKER_05]: But we're shooting for a million dollars this year in the three marathons that we have in 1990.
[07:32.720 --> 07:34.580]  [SPEAKER_05]: And it sounds like a ludicrous sum.
[07:35.000 --> 07:40.960]  [SPEAKER_05]: But every penny of it gets spent in worthwhile causes at this radio station.
[07:41.800 --> 07:43.520]  [SPEAKER_05]: We need to pay the rent.
[07:44.160 --> 07:45.840]  [SPEAKER_05]: We're getting a new transmitter.
[07:45.840 --> 07:52.180]  [SPEAKER_05]: We need to keep the kind of programming that you hear 24 hours a day on WBAI coming your way.
[07:52.300 --> 07:54.340]  [SPEAKER_05]: 212-279-3400.
[07:54.580 --> 07:55.760]  [SPEAKER_05]: Show your support.
[07:56.100 --> 08:00.460]  [SPEAKER_05]: Show that good old Emmanuel Goldstein can pitch and bring in some calls.
[08:01.320 --> 08:02.440]  [SPEAKER_05]: Roughly embarrassing if I don't.
[08:02.620 --> 08:05.000]  [SPEAKER_05]: 212-279-3400.
[08:05.000 --> 08:08.940]  [SPEAKER_05]: It's currently 2-20, actually 2-18.
[08:11.040 --> 08:13.020]  [SPEAKER_05]: And I'm going to go to a piece of music.
[08:13.040 --> 08:16.580]  [SPEAKER_05]: And hopefully by the time I come back, we'll have a call.
[08:16.700 --> 08:17.220]  [SPEAKER_05]: Or two.
[08:17.340 --> 08:17.740]  [SPEAKER_05]: Or three.
[08:18.500 --> 08:19.580]  [SPEAKER_05]: You can make a difference.
[08:20.640 --> 08:22.880]  [SPEAKER_05]: And this is the moment.
[08:22.940 --> 08:24.560]  [SPEAKER_05]: This is the moment that you've been waiting for.
[08:24.620 --> 08:28.320]  [SPEAKER_05]: The moment where you can say, Guess what I did last night at 2-20 in the morning?
[08:28.540 --> 08:34.500]  [SPEAKER_05]: I called up and I made a radio station alter its programming just a bit.
[08:37.980 --> 08:38.380]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[08:38.700 --> 08:39.760]  [SPEAKER_05]: It's worth thinking about, isn't it?
[08:40.100 --> 08:43.020]  [SPEAKER_05]: 212-279-3400.
[08:44.900 --> 08:48.660]  [SPEAKER_05]: This is the first song ever came out by the selector, I believe.
[08:49.620 --> 08:50.880]  [SPEAKER_05]: And it's called The Selector.
[08:51.280 --> 08:53.140]  [SPEAKER_05]: I think it's even on an album called The Selector.
[08:53.800 --> 08:54.880]  [SPEAKER_05]: You make your selection.
[08:55.120 --> 08:56.860]  [SPEAKER_05]: 212-279-3400.
[11:35.380 --> 11:36.560]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, that was fun, wasn't it?
[11:37.000 --> 11:39.180]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I'm glad to see there are some people out there.
[11:39.660 --> 11:41.980]  [SPEAKER_05]: But we still need to get some more calls.
[11:41.980 --> 11:43.980]  [SPEAKER_05]: 212-279-3400.
[11:44.700 --> 11:45.920]  [SPEAKER_05]: Show us your support.
[11:46.460 --> 11:48.880]  [SPEAKER_05]: Pledge a couple of bucks our way.
[11:49.020 --> 11:53.740]  [SPEAKER_05]: And we'll keep WBAI coming towards you 24 hours a day.
[11:54.220 --> 11:55.500]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, very good morning to you.
[11:55.640 --> 11:56.500]  [SPEAKER_05]: It's 2-22.
[11:57.160 --> 11:58.600]  [SPEAKER_05]: That special time of the day.
[11:58.880 --> 12:01.980]  [SPEAKER_05]: This is Emmanuel Goldstein filling in for Bob Fass.
[12:01.980 --> 12:08.880]  [SPEAKER_05]: And we're taking your calls right now just to see what's on your mind.
[12:10.380 --> 12:17.440]  [SPEAKER_05]: And that number for call-ins, which you'll probably find is busy, is 212-279-3407.
[12:17.440 --> 12:27.620]  [SPEAKER_05]: But if you want to place a call and make a pledge and we'll thank you over the air and do all kinds of other nice things, that number.
[12:27.820 --> 12:38.260]  [SPEAKER_05]: And we really can't stress the importance of it enough because it's one thing to put on radio programs here and participate in the whole process.
[12:38.260 --> 12:43.220]  [SPEAKER_05]: But when push comes to shove, we need the support.
[12:43.560 --> 12:45.940]  [SPEAKER_05]: Without the support, we don't have anything.
[12:46.920 --> 12:49.580]  [SPEAKER_05]: And if we don't have anything, we don't have a radio station.
[12:49.840 --> 13:03.540]  [SPEAKER_05]: And 99.5 FM can just become another spot in the dial which plays popular music or Muzak or God knows what else is out there.
[13:03.540 --> 13:04.740]  [SPEAKER_05]: It's a scary thing.
[13:04.880 --> 13:10.400]  [SPEAKER_05]: You know, sometimes people tell me they're tuning to WBAI and something happens.
[13:10.500 --> 13:16.800]  [SPEAKER_05]: Nobody knows how this happens, but their hand slips, you know, and their hand slips and the dial moves.
[13:17.060 --> 13:23.420]  [SPEAKER_05]: You know, if that's one of those digital dials, it always finds a station somehow and it sort of moves one or two notches down.
[13:23.940 --> 13:27.660]  [SPEAKER_05]: And they hear these sounds and, oh no, what is this?
[13:27.700 --> 13:28.860]  [SPEAKER_05]: What is this horrible noise?
[13:28.860 --> 13:34.520]  [SPEAKER_05]: Because for an awful instant, it's kind of hard to get the tuner to move in the direction you want to go.
[13:36.020 --> 13:40.520]  [SPEAKER_05]: And for a ghastly brief second, you think, what has happened to WBAI?
[13:41.700 --> 13:45.580]  [SPEAKER_05]: What's with all this compressed sound coming out of the microphones?
[13:45.580 --> 13:49.040]  [SPEAKER_05]: What's with all this synchronized beat?
[13:52.880 --> 13:54.280]  [SPEAKER_05]: What is on the airline?
[13:55.360 --> 13:56.140]  What's the line?
[13:56.700 --> 13:58.500]  [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, oh, the on to make a call.
[13:58.660 --> 13:59.640]  [SPEAKER_05]: That's the one that's busy.
[13:59.820 --> 14:03.380]  [SPEAKER_05]: It's 212-279-3407 for the caller that wanted to know that.
[14:03.460 --> 14:12.080]  [SPEAKER_05]: But what I'm stressing now is the number that we need to call in is 212-279-3400 and pledge your support.
[14:12.080 --> 14:16.020]  [SPEAKER_05]: So that nightmares like that don't happen in real life, you know?
[14:16.080 --> 14:20.360]  [SPEAKER_05]: So that you know you can always turn on 99.5.
[14:21.000 --> 14:26.060]  [SPEAKER_05]: And we should come up with a really catchy slogan for 99.5, 99.5 or something.
[14:26.120 --> 14:26.360]  [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
[14:26.400 --> 14:27.460]  [SPEAKER_05]: There's got to be something out there.
[14:27.580 --> 14:28.880]  [SPEAKER_05]: Madison Avenue people work on it.
[14:30.140 --> 14:39.440]  [SPEAKER_05]: But we have to keep this radio station in the hands of the people that want to create interesting radio programs.
[14:39.440 --> 14:40.780]  [SPEAKER_05]: And that includes you, our audience.
[14:41.640 --> 14:46.580]  [SPEAKER_05]: We invite our audience to participate in this amazing process that we have here.
[14:48.020 --> 14:51.320]  [SPEAKER_05]: Almost everyone on this radio station was once a part of the audience.
[14:51.320 --> 14:57.280]  [SPEAKER_05]: So we need people both to help out, to be volunteers, to answer phones.
[14:57.380 --> 14:58.820]  [SPEAKER_05]: We need people to pledge their support.
[14:58.960 --> 15:00.280]  [SPEAKER_05]: We need people to come up with ideas.
[15:00.460 --> 15:02.560]  [SPEAKER_05]: We need people to talk to us.
[15:02.920 --> 15:08.200]  [SPEAKER_05]: Let us know what you think, what you want, and what you've experienced.
[15:09.440 --> 15:11.860]  [SPEAKER_05]: Not very many radio stations asking for that, are there?
[15:12.520 --> 15:17.000]  [SPEAKER_05]: No matter what kind of music you hear on the other radio stations...
[15:17.000 --> 15:22.420]  [SPEAKER_05]: And I'm not necessarily saying that they're evil, bad people, because they're making a living in their way.
[15:23.380 --> 15:34.940]  [SPEAKER_05]: But no matter what kind of music or talk you hear on other radio stations, commercial radio stations, the fact of the matter is, they're there to sell you products.
[15:36.500 --> 15:42.360]  [SPEAKER_05]: It's more... the programs revolve around the commercials, not the commercials revolve around the programs.
[15:42.600 --> 15:48.200]  [SPEAKER_05]: You don't put on a program that offends the sponsor because you lose the sponsor, and then you lose money.
[15:48.900 --> 15:51.160]  [SPEAKER_05]: It's a very sad cycle to be in.
[15:51.560 --> 15:56.360]  [SPEAKER_05]: And that's why I stay far away from commercial radio.
[15:56.940 --> 16:00.680]  [SPEAKER_05]: That's why I walk down the middle of the street sometimes in Manhattan, because I don't want to even get near the buildings.
[16:04.440 --> 16:09.900]  [SPEAKER_05]: It's extremely important that WBAI remain a non-commercial radio station.
[16:11.100 --> 16:14.500]  [SPEAKER_05]: And, of course, when we're a non-commercial radio station, we can't have commercials.
[16:15.640 --> 16:17.340]  [SPEAKER_05]: Which gives us a bit of a problem.
[16:17.480 --> 16:18.600]  [SPEAKER_05]: How do we pay the rent?
[16:18.760 --> 16:23.560]  [SPEAKER_05]: How do we pay for the tape to produce these radio programs?
[16:23.660 --> 16:25.000]  [SPEAKER_05]: How do we pay for the phone calls?
[16:25.060 --> 16:26.980]  [SPEAKER_05]: How do we pay for the transmitter rent?
[16:26.980 --> 16:28.260]  [SPEAKER_05]: How do we pay for the transmitter?
[16:29.400 --> 16:31.760]  [SPEAKER_05]: It's all stuff that we can do.
[16:32.160 --> 16:33.500]  [SPEAKER_05]: But we've got to do it together.
[16:33.840 --> 16:36.860]  [SPEAKER_05]: And since 1960, we have been doing it together.
[16:37.900 --> 16:38.580]  [SPEAKER_05]: Imagine that.
[16:38.720 --> 16:39.520]  [SPEAKER_05]: 30 years.
[16:40.080 --> 16:50.960]  [SPEAKER_05]: This radio station has been supported by the people of New York, and New Jersey, and Connecticut, and Pennsylvania, and Long Island, and all kinds of other places, too.
[16:52.040 --> 16:56.880]  [SPEAKER_05]: It's something that really should be talked about a lot more in other circles.
[16:57.420 --> 16:58.780]  [SPEAKER_05]: Because it's such an amazing thing.
[16:58.900 --> 17:03.660]  [SPEAKER_05]: I've been in many different cities, and I've just never seen anything quite like WBAI.
[17:04.980 --> 17:07.920]  [SPEAKER_05]: And that's why we ask for your support again.
[17:08.460 --> 17:09.760]  [SPEAKER_05]: It sounds like we're nagging.
[17:10.140 --> 17:11.120]  [SPEAKER_05]: I know it does.
[17:13.100 --> 17:14.640]  [SPEAKER_05]: But what is the alternative?
[17:14.800 --> 17:17.600]  [SPEAKER_05]: The alternative is for us to be like all the rest.
[17:17.600 --> 17:17.660]  [SPEAKER_05]: Most.
[17:18.660 --> 17:23.640]  [SPEAKER_05]: So show us that you care enough to keep us the way we are.
[17:24.060 --> 17:28.260]  [SPEAKER_05]: Or to at least keep us from becoming the way all the others are.
[17:28.580 --> 17:29.960]  [SPEAKER_05]: You know, there is this...
[17:29.960 --> 17:31.420]  [SPEAKER_05]: I guess I should say the phone number again.
[17:31.520 --> 17:33.280]  [SPEAKER_05]: 212-279-3400.
[17:33.420 --> 17:36.200]  [SPEAKER_05]: That's part of the pitching rules.
[17:36.340 --> 17:38.080]  [SPEAKER_05]: You know, you have to say the phone number over and over again.
[17:38.180 --> 17:41.800]  [SPEAKER_05]: And I get sort of carried away with what I'm saying, and I don't think...
[17:41.800 --> 17:43.420]  [SPEAKER_05]: 212-279-3400.
[17:43.540 --> 17:44.340]  [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe we could have a recording.
[17:44.460 --> 17:45.820]  [SPEAKER_05]: Just keep repeating that while I talk.
[17:47.280 --> 17:49.480]  [SPEAKER_05]: There was this radio station in Hartford, Connecticut.
[17:50.680 --> 17:53.460]  [SPEAKER_05]: And they were a Spanish radio station.
[17:54.480 --> 17:56.520]  [SPEAKER_05]: Perhaps you folks out in Connecticut know about them.
[17:56.800 --> 17:58.260]  [SPEAKER_05]: People in Long Island I know can get them.
[17:59.380 --> 18:00.780]  [SPEAKER_05]: Very big station.
[18:01.040 --> 18:04.500]  [SPEAKER_05]: And they were, I believe, somewhere around 93 on the dial.
[18:04.980 --> 18:08.460]  [SPEAKER_05]: And for years they were a Spanish radio station.
[18:08.800 --> 18:14.160]  [SPEAKER_05]: And it's so strange to think that in New York City we just recently got a Spanish FM radio station.
[18:14.160 --> 18:16.440]  [SPEAKER_05]: Before that there were no Spanish FM radio stations.
[18:16.560 --> 18:20.360]  [SPEAKER_05]: And that's kind of unusual for a city with such a large Hispanic population.
[18:21.840 --> 18:34.160]  [SPEAKER_05]: But one day, about a month and a half ago, suddenly this Spanish radio station was broadcasting, and probably still is, was broadcasting the weather.
[18:34.400 --> 18:35.420]  [SPEAKER_05]: Nothing but the weather.
[18:35.680 --> 18:41.360]  [SPEAKER_05]: You know, they were simulcasting one of those weather frequencies you get on a ham radio or something.
[18:42.040 --> 18:44.780]  [SPEAKER_05]: And they were just broadcasting it over and over again.
[18:44.780 --> 18:46.900]  [SPEAKER_05]: The forecast would repeat every three or four minutes.
[18:47.800 --> 18:49.360]  [SPEAKER_05]: And it sounded like an AM radio.
[18:51.280 --> 18:53.300]  [SPEAKER_05]: And over and over and over and over again.
[18:53.380 --> 18:54.700]  [SPEAKER_05]: And I think they're still doing it now.
[18:55.540 --> 18:59.440]  [SPEAKER_05]: And I called them up and I said, Hey, have you guys discovered some new amazing hit program or something?
[18:59.480 --> 19:00.140]  [SPEAKER_05]: What's going on here?
[19:00.180 --> 19:03.120]  [SPEAKER_05]: What happened to all the music and Spanish talk and everything like that?
[19:04.260 --> 19:06.840]  [SPEAKER_05]: And the guy there was, you know, an employee.
[19:07.740 --> 19:10.780]  [SPEAKER_05]: An engineer simply said, Well, the station's been sold.
[19:10.880 --> 19:11.900]  [SPEAKER_05]: We don't know what's going to happen.
[19:13.140 --> 19:18.200]  [SPEAKER_05]: But until now, and until we do know what's going to happen, this is what we have to do.
[19:18.340 --> 19:19.340]  [SPEAKER_05]: This is what we have to play.
[19:21.860 --> 19:33.960]  [SPEAKER_05]: And that's the kind of garbage that you get when stations are traded like baseball cards and audiences are thought of as nothing more than numbers.
[19:34.700 --> 19:39.300]  [SPEAKER_05]: You see, we think of our audience in a much more personal way than that.
[19:39.840 --> 19:45.040]  [SPEAKER_05]: You may have heard a couple of members of our audience talking on the air for quite a while, a few minutes back.
[19:46.120 --> 19:48.400]  [SPEAKER_05]: That's not the kind of thing you can do anywhere else, I don't think.
[19:49.140 --> 20:00.180]  [SPEAKER_05]: But we need to know that you, our audience, and people who have just stumbled upon this station for the first time, support that kind of thing.
[20:01.520 --> 20:05.880]  [SPEAKER_05]: And know that an alternative is needed in New York.
[20:06.240 --> 20:08.620]  [SPEAKER_05]: 212-279-3400.
[20:08.800 --> 20:17.840]  [SPEAKER_05]: I know we've been getting a response, and I don't want to push it, but we really need as much of a response as is possible.
[20:17.840 --> 20:23.560]  [SPEAKER_05]: So if you're listening to WBAI for the first time, give us a call.
[20:24.520 --> 20:35.580]  [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I called once, about a year or so ago, and it was amazing just realizing that you are playing a part in things.
[20:35.700 --> 20:37.760]  [SPEAKER_05]: You know, that's the complaint a lot of us have.
[20:37.760 --> 20:38.520]  [SPEAKER_05]: I don't count.
[20:38.580 --> 20:39.380]  [SPEAKER_05]: I don't mean anything.
[20:39.600 --> 20:40.400]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, you do.
[20:40.580 --> 20:41.240]  [SPEAKER_05]: You can.
[20:42.240 --> 20:53.160]  [SPEAKER_05]: And every month when you get the WBAI folio delivered to you, which is what you will get if you make a pledge tonight, you'll realize, hey, I'm a part of this, and there are so many things happening.
[20:53.160 --> 20:58.300]  [SPEAKER_05]: There are so many things that we're airing, that we're talking about, and we do it all the time.
[20:58.780 --> 21:03.240]  [SPEAKER_05]: And in a couple of seconds, we're going to allow you to become a part of the whole process.
[21:06.220 --> 21:08.180]  [SPEAKER_05]: 212-279-3400.
[21:09.920 --> 21:12.100]  [SPEAKER_05]: Sure, it would make me feel good just to see one more call come in.
[21:13.360 --> 21:14.720]  [SPEAKER_05]: It would make me feel so good, you know?
[21:14.860 --> 21:19.220]  [SPEAKER_05]: And then my voice will have a jovial tone to it for the rest of the night, you know?
[21:20.140 --> 21:21.220]  [SPEAKER_05]: I think that's...
[21:22.020 --> 21:23.120]  [SPEAKER_05]: That would be nice, you know?
[21:23.180 --> 21:28.320]  [SPEAKER_05]: And then I can drive home tonight and think, hey, you know, I reached somebody.
[21:29.000 --> 21:30.400]  [SPEAKER_05]: I made somebody think.
[21:31.380 --> 21:32.460]  [SPEAKER_05]: I made somebody...
[21:32.460 --> 21:34.220]  [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I'm making myself sick is what I'm doing.
[21:34.340 --> 21:35.760]  [SPEAKER_05]: 212-279-3400.
[21:35.920 --> 21:38.280]  [SPEAKER_05]: Please give us a call, and let's take some calls.
[21:38.640 --> 21:39.380]  [SPEAKER_05]: Good morning.
[21:40.840 --> 21:41.600]  [SPEAKER_05]: Good morning.
[21:41.760 --> 21:42.180]  [SPEAKER_05]: Wake up.
[21:42.780 --> 21:43.460]  [SPEAKER_13]: Hello, Emmanuel.
[21:43.760 --> 21:44.380]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, who's this?
[21:44.520 --> 21:46.620]  [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, this is Mordecai.
[21:46.900 --> 21:48.100]  [SPEAKER_05]: Aha, nice try, Monroe.
[21:48.580 --> 21:49.320]  [SPEAKER_05]: Good morning.
[21:49.740 --> 21:53.900]  [SPEAKER_05]: By the way, folks, before the next caller starts, this is a Monroe free hour, okay?
[21:53.900 --> 21:55.060]  [SPEAKER_05]: I just figured I'd mention that.
[21:55.120 --> 21:57.900]  [SPEAKER_05]: And if you support that idea, please call up and pledge some money.
[21:58.060 --> 21:59.520]  [SPEAKER_05]: 212-279-3400.
[21:59.720 --> 22:00.060]  [SPEAKER_05]: Good morning.
[22:00.520 --> 22:01.680]  [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, freedom of speech.
[22:01.920 --> 22:02.320]  [SPEAKER_04]: Wait a minute.
[22:02.880 --> 22:04.680]  [SPEAKER_04]: Mike Feder was banned, Andrew Phillips...
[22:04.680 --> 22:06.340]  [SPEAKER_04]: How could he be on two lines at once?
[22:06.580 --> 22:07.220]  [SPEAKER_04]: Good morning.
[22:08.760 --> 22:09.440]  [SPEAKER_04]: Who's this?
[22:09.720 --> 22:10.880]  [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, freedom of speech.
[22:11.000 --> 22:11.700]  [SPEAKER_04]: This is a nightmare!
[22:12.560 --> 22:14.200]  [SPEAKER_04]: He's on all the lines at once!
[22:14.660 --> 22:15.620]  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, my God.
[22:16.120 --> 22:16.380]  [SPEAKER_04]: Listen.
[22:16.940 --> 22:18.960]  [SPEAKER_04]: There's gotta be something we can do about this.
[22:19.400 --> 22:19.840]  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[22:20.020 --> 22:20.320]  [SPEAKER_04]: People.
[22:20.720 --> 22:21.160]  [SPEAKER_04]: People.
[22:21.500 --> 22:22.100]  [SPEAKER_04]: Support us.
[22:22.100 --> 22:23.540]  [SPEAKER_04]: In two ways, now.
[22:23.820 --> 22:25.040]  [SPEAKER_05]: In two ways, support us.
[22:25.480 --> 22:28.400]  [SPEAKER_05]: Call 212-279-3400.
[22:29.020 --> 22:30.100]  [SPEAKER_05]: Pledge some support.
[22:30.680 --> 22:34.160]  [SPEAKER_05]: And maybe we can get some kind of an elaborate call-blocking mechanism or something.
[22:34.220 --> 22:34.580]  [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
[22:35.240 --> 22:48.280]  [SPEAKER_05]: But, more importantly, at the moment, anyway, call 212-279-3407 as quickly as possible, and get those lines all tied up so we can have some interesting conversations.
[22:48.280 --> 22:48.800]  [SPEAKER_05]: Good morning.
[22:52.510 --> 22:53.270]  [SPEAKER_05]: Good morning.
[22:53.270 --> 22:53.810]  [SPEAKER_05]: Hello?
[22:54.090 --> 22:54.410]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
[22:55.110 --> 22:56.350]  [SPEAKER_05]: A real person, huh?
[22:56.590 --> 22:57.290]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[22:57.330 --> 23:14.930]  [SPEAKER_07]: Hey, I just wanted to let everybody know that sometime just before dawn this morning, right about 6am or so, if you keep your eyes open, actually about 10 to 6, 552 to be exact, if you keep your eyes open in the south, you should see the space shuttle.
[23:14.930 --> 23:15.490]  [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, really?
[23:15.690 --> 23:16.310]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, yeah.
[23:16.810 --> 23:18.470]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, what's the sky like right now?
[23:18.850 --> 23:19.550]  [SPEAKER_07]: It's clear.
[23:19.690 --> 23:20.890]  [SPEAKER_07]: Right now, it's really clear.
[23:21.030 --> 23:26.130]  [SPEAKER_07]: It's going to be very low in the southern sky, and it should be moving from west to east.
[23:26.590 --> 23:27.910]  [SPEAKER_05]: From west to east.
[23:27.970 --> 23:28.230]  [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[23:28.330 --> 23:30.330]  [SPEAKER_05]: Now, where's the best place to look at something like that?
[23:30.670 --> 23:33.790]  [SPEAKER_05]: I guess on a beach, like Jones Beach or something, or Rockaway?
[23:33.790 --> 23:42.350]  [SPEAKER_07]: If you're up, you know, up higher than the surrounding buildings, you know, you might be able to just see it out your window if you can see, if you look to the south.
[23:43.410 --> 23:46.970]  [SPEAKER_07]: It's supposed to be, hang on, let me, I got it in here.
[23:47.990 --> 23:56.740]  [SPEAKER_07]: I think it's about 28 degrees elevation.
[23:56.740 --> 24:10.340]  [SPEAKER_07]: That means 28 degrees above the horizon, which would probably put it about, figure, I don't know, if you figure the horizon as being 3 o'clock, that would probably only put it at about 2.30 to 2 o'clock.
[24:10.900 --> 24:12.040]  [SPEAKER_07]: Right, you understand what I'm saying?
[24:12.240 --> 24:14.000]  [SPEAKER_05]: That would be very close to the horizon, in other words.
[24:14.060 --> 24:15.960]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, it's going to be way down on the horizon.
[24:15.960 --> 24:25.800]  [SPEAKER_07]: And you might even be able to see, supposedly for the folks down south, they're supposed to be able to even see that LDF thing that they're picking up, that other satellite.
[24:26.260 --> 24:32.860]  [SPEAKER_07]: And they're supposed to be, this morning, if you catch it this morning, I'm going to go out and try and look, I live in Jersey, I'm going to go out and try and catch it later.
[24:34.420 --> 24:42.900]  [SPEAKER_07]: But you should be able to see actually two dots, you know, one right in front of the other, moving along, just above the horizon, it should...
[24:43.720 --> 24:44.980]  [SPEAKER_03]: Wait, why are there two dots?
[24:45.320 --> 24:48.100]  [SPEAKER_07]: Because there's a satellite that they're going to pick up that...
[24:48.740 --> 24:50.360]  [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, and they're moving in on the satellite.
[24:50.560 --> 24:51.000]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, right.
[24:52.460 --> 24:53.400]  [SPEAKER_07]: Hang on, hang on.
[24:53.400 --> 24:56.660]  [SPEAKER_05]: So I guess you could always see the satellite, then, if you knew where to look.
[24:57.320 --> 24:59.040]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, yeah, you could see satellites.
[24:59.120 --> 25:01.960]  [SPEAKER_07]: Usually in the mornings, especially, it's the best time to...
[25:01.960 --> 25:03.800]  [SPEAKER_07]: You can see satellites usually all over the place.
[25:08.420 --> 25:08.780]  Um...
[25:08.780 --> 25:11.900]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, 5.52am, and it's 28 degrees.
[25:12.080 --> 25:14.960]  [SPEAKER_07]: And it should be moving from west to east.
[25:15.380 --> 25:16.920]  [SPEAKER_07]: Um, very low in the sky.
[25:17.640 --> 25:19.080]  [SPEAKER_07]: And, uh, try and check it out.
[25:19.240 --> 25:25.140]  [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know, I've seen satellites before, but to see two of them kind of moving along in conjunction like that, it should be pretty cool.
[25:25.360 --> 25:26.760]  [SPEAKER_05]: That'll be going from west to east.
[25:26.920 --> 25:28.660]  [SPEAKER_05]: West to east in the southern sky.
[25:28.800 --> 25:29.480]  [SPEAKER_05]: In the southern sky.
[25:29.580 --> 25:32.880]  [SPEAKER_05]: You know, I once saw the space shuttle, uh, a few years ago.
[25:33.320 --> 25:35.100]  [SPEAKER_05]: And it was in the evening time.
[25:35.280 --> 25:37.160]  [SPEAKER_05]: Just at, uh, at dusk, I believe.
[25:37.600 --> 25:38.740]  [SPEAKER_07]: I saw one land.
[25:38.780 --> 25:40.460]  [SPEAKER_07]: I saw one land in New Mexico.
[25:40.820 --> 25:41.140]  [SPEAKER_05]: Uh-huh.
[25:41.320 --> 25:43.020]  [SPEAKER_07]: And that was incredible.
[25:43.300 --> 25:46.500]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I mean, this was up in the sky, like what you're talking about now.
[25:46.660 --> 25:47.780]  [SPEAKER_07]: Like with satellites.
[25:47.960 --> 25:50.820]  [SPEAKER_07]: I've seen a lot of satellites, you know, in the skies early in the morning.
[25:50.820 --> 25:56.180]  [SPEAKER_07]: You can usually see them just before dawn if you look up, you know, and you give yourself a couple of seconds.
[25:56.760 --> 25:58.340]  [SPEAKER_07]: Um, it's, it's pretty easy.
[25:58.480 --> 26:00.760]  [SPEAKER_07]: You'll see something tracking across the sky in a nice straight line.
[26:00.840 --> 26:01.900]  [SPEAKER_07]: Well, at least I hope they're satellites.
[26:02.640 --> 26:03.420]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's true.
[26:03.700 --> 26:04.580]  [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, it could be anything.
[26:04.740 --> 26:05.720]  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, who knows what it is.
[26:05.840 --> 26:07.480]  [SPEAKER_07]: But, but you'll see them up there.
[26:07.700 --> 26:11.640]  [SPEAKER_07]: And, um, but, but I heard about this and, and I said, wow, it's something to check out.
[26:11.800 --> 26:13.500]  [SPEAKER_05]: What do you think of, uh, the space program?
[26:14.060 --> 26:14.840]  [SPEAKER_07]: Sure, with the folks.
[26:14.940 --> 26:15.720]  [SPEAKER_07]: What do I think of it?
[26:15.740 --> 26:17.080]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I mean, what do you think the future of it is?
[26:17.160 --> 26:18.320]  [SPEAKER_05]: Do you think it's, uh...
[26:18.320 --> 26:19.420]  [SPEAKER_07]: I, I don't know.
[26:19.540 --> 26:24.460]  [SPEAKER_07]: It's, I, I, I, I think it's, it's a positive, you know, kind of, uh, kind of concept.
[26:24.800 --> 26:28.960]  [SPEAKER_07]: Um, I, I don't think that, um, that we should be earthbound.
[26:29.580 --> 26:49.920]  [SPEAKER_07]: Um, uh, I, I don't, you know, uh, perhaps if they went more towards a private, um, private concern, well, I guess they are already, NASA's already a private concern, but maybe a little more away from, and, and stuff like that.
[26:50.020 --> 26:52.080]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, what do you think of opening it up to private enterprise?
[26:52.400 --> 26:53.480]  [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, go for it.
[26:54.640 --> 27:00.200]  [SPEAKER_07]: Uh, there's, there's already private enterprise, you know, space projects happening, you know, all the time.
[27:00.360 --> 27:09.300]  [SPEAKER_07]: I, I'm pretty sure that, uh, you know, most of the time when you hear about these experiments that they do on the shuttle, that, that they run, most of all that stuff's all sponsored by private industry.
[27:11.120 --> 27:11.620]  [SPEAKER_05]: That's true.
[27:11.780 --> 27:12.960]  [SPEAKER_05]: At least as far as I know, right?
[27:12.960 --> 27:18.820]  [SPEAKER_05]: A lot of it is, uh, various, uh, research entities and, uh, some private, private industry as well.
[27:19.020 --> 27:22.660]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, yeah, the communication satellites, you know, that's all, they're all owned by companies.
[27:22.800 --> 27:22.820]  [SPEAKER_05]: Sure.
[27:22.820 --> 27:23.060]  [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah.
[27:23.200 --> 27:24.700]  [SPEAKER_07]: They're not owned by, by...
[27:24.700 --> 27:33.300]  [SPEAKER_05]: The, the, the, the problem is, though, we have to keep the things up there and, uh, so that they don't keep falling back down to earth, because, and, and we're also being very irresponsible in space with, as far as the debris.
[27:33.580 --> 27:34.860]  [SPEAKER_05]: This is, this is true, but...
[27:34.860 --> 27:38.180]  [SPEAKER_05]: There's actually a significant risk of, uh, of something being hit.
[27:38.180 --> 27:56.840]  [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, you know, I understand what you're saying, but, but I, I don't, I don't know if, I, I don't know if we can have the same concerns for space garbage that we have for polluting our own environment here, due to the, due to the mass of, of area we're dealing with.
[27:56.920 --> 28:04.810]  [SPEAKER_07]: And, and as, as, uh, as we progress, who's to say that we're knocking up a lot of the junk?
[28:04.810 --> 28:11.270]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, that, yeah, but that's, that's too easy a way out, because, uh, that, that, that's, that's no excuse for us not being responsible now.
[28:11.550 --> 28:19.450]  [SPEAKER_05]: And it's like, you know, it's like Exxon saying, well, someday we'll figure out how to clean up all this oil and, uh, you know, restore some of the, the species that we've, uh, extinguished.
[28:19.610 --> 28:34.290]  [SPEAKER_07]: I don't, you know, I don't think that, that we purposely, at this point anyway, you know, possibly in the past, there's, there's a lot of stuff that, that's up there from, from years gone by, but I really don't think that, that these days, um, I, I really don't think that They send up that much junk.
[28:36.970 --> 28:42.370]  [SPEAKER_07]: It seems to me... I like to kind of know what's going on in this stuff.
[28:42.410 --> 28:53.890]  [SPEAKER_07]: And it seems to me most of the rockets that go up these days are carrying extremely expensive communication satellites and stuff like that.
[28:53.970 --> 28:56.430]  [SPEAKER_07]: And it's very, very rare.
[28:56.890 --> 29:10.130]  [SPEAKER_07]: As a matter of fact, I can't even remember the last time I heard of a space shot that was going up to... that was, you know, putting some kind of experimental-type data-gathering satellite, you know.
[29:10.670 --> 29:14.290]  [SPEAKER_07]: This LDEF thing, that's been up there for years, I think.
[29:14.410 --> 29:16.310]  [SPEAKER_07]: It's been up there for, like, a bunch of years.
[29:16.650 --> 29:26.470]  [SPEAKER_07]: And it was something with the... I believe it's because of the solar storms, the solar maxima that we're in right now.
[29:26.890 --> 29:29.350]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, that's something I know nothing about, unfortunately.
[29:29.830 --> 29:31.810]  [SPEAKER_07]: I thought you were a real tech-head kind of guy.
[29:31.890 --> 29:33.910]  [SPEAKER_05]: No, I don't keep track of solar storms.
[29:33.990 --> 29:36.970]  [SPEAKER_05]: I have to cut something out somewhere, and that's just something I don't keep track of.
[29:37.050 --> 29:40.370]  [SPEAKER_07]: Well, like, solar storms that affect the ionosphere?
[29:40.650 --> 29:45.770]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I do know, yeah, I do know we're at the peak of some kind of sunspot cycle.
[29:45.930 --> 29:48.070]  [SPEAKER_07]: What happens is that it charges the atmosphere.
[29:48.150 --> 29:54.670]  [SPEAKER_07]: As I understand it, and I could be way off on this, because it's not... I'm a jack-of-all-trades master and nun, right?
[29:55.950 --> 30:03.130]  [SPEAKER_07]: What I believe happens is that the ionization causes the atmosphere to expand, actually.
[30:03.330 --> 30:20.030]  [SPEAKER_07]: And that's why these things happen, is that the atmosphere has expanded now to the point where this satellite that was well out of the atmosphere is now just about grazing the atmosphere, which causes it to slow down, which causes it to lose altitude,
[30:20.250 --> 30:24.950]  [SPEAKER_07]: which causes it to catch more atmosphere, slow down more, you know, and it just...
[30:24.950 --> 30:30.170]  [SPEAKER_07]: And they come down, which is why they're going after that LDEF thing right now, I'm pretty sure.
[30:31.270 --> 30:32.550]  [SPEAKER_05]: It'll be interesting to see what happens.
[30:32.930 --> 30:33.630]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[30:33.730 --> 30:34.630]  [SPEAKER_07]: No, I don't know.
[30:35.070 --> 30:43.770]  [SPEAKER_07]: Personally, I think it's a positive step, except that they should get away from the DOD on it and, you know, work on communications.
[30:44.250 --> 30:50.490]  [SPEAKER_07]: There's, you know, right now, if you had a satellite dish, you can get TV from anywhere in the world, you know, right in your backyard.
[30:50.650 --> 30:52.350]  [SPEAKER_07]: And they said they're improving...
[30:52.350 --> 30:53.350]  [SPEAKER_05]: Except the United States.
[30:54.130 --> 30:55.210]  [SPEAKER_05]: We're scrambling everything.
[30:56.230 --> 30:57.230]  [SPEAKER_07]: Not everything, no.
[30:57.350 --> 31:00.810]  [SPEAKER_07]: No, there's a bunch of stuff that you can, like, C-SPAN and CNN.
[31:01.470 --> 31:03.410]  [SPEAKER_03]: I think CNN is scrambled now, isn't it?
[31:03.410 --> 31:21.090]  [SPEAKER_07]: I really don't believe so, as the directory that I just got, the 1990 World Radio TV Handbook, and they list whether the stations are encrypted or not, and they do not list CNN as being encrypted.
[31:23.470 --> 31:30.750]  [SPEAKER_07]: I believe that maybe they do have some services that CNN does have some services that are encrypted, but right now they're not encrypted.
[31:30.750 --> 31:35.710]  [SPEAKER_07]: As a matter of fact, CNN also just started, as part of their satellite signal...
[31:35.710 --> 31:47.990]  [SPEAKER_07]: I really wish I had a satellite dish, but as part of their satellite signal, they have started carrying BBC World Service and one other, but I can't remember.
[31:48.130 --> 31:50.770]  [SPEAKER_07]: Another foreign country's news service.
[31:50.930 --> 31:53.610]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you know, it's something that really kind of gets me, though.
[31:53.930 --> 31:55.610]  [SPEAKER_05]: CNN is being seen all over the world.
[31:55.610 --> 32:02.810]  [SPEAKER_05]: Every day, it seems, I read something in the paper about CNN being granted permission to broadcast to a different country.
[32:02.850 --> 32:04.650]  [SPEAKER_05]: And that's all fine and good, you know, I'm all for that.
[32:04.670 --> 32:05.570]  [SPEAKER_05]: It's a way of the 90s, you know.
[32:05.570 --> 32:07.070]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but what are we getting?
[32:07.190 --> 32:10.390]  [SPEAKER_05]: How come we're not getting different broadcasts from different countries?
[32:10.390 --> 32:18.670]  [SPEAKER_07]: Well, now, actually, well, not we, maybe, in New York City, but over in L.A., they just started broadcasting news from Moscow.
[32:19.290 --> 32:20.570]  [SPEAKER_07]: I don't... I believe...
[32:20.570 --> 32:21.070]  [SPEAKER_05]: Every night?
[32:21.290 --> 32:24.950]  [SPEAKER_07]: I believe, but I'm really not sure.
[32:25.530 --> 32:27.470]  [SPEAKER_07]: Let me see if I can bring this up here.
[32:28.430 --> 32:29.690]  [SPEAKER_05]: You got a computer there, huh?
[32:29.890 --> 32:30.070]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[32:30.290 --> 32:31.310]  [SPEAKER_05]: What, are you scanning for something?
[32:31.730 --> 32:38.010]  [SPEAKER_07]: No, I was just mucking about here, and, let's see, there was something...
[32:38.010 --> 32:40.670]  [SPEAKER_07]: There's a TV station in...
[32:41.450 --> 32:42.950]  [SPEAKER_07]: No, I don't have it here anymore.
[32:43.210 --> 32:43.610]  [SPEAKER_07]: It's...
[32:43.610 --> 32:44.950]  [SPEAKER_07]: It was an older...
[32:44.950 --> 32:46.590]  [SPEAKER_07]: It came up a couple of days ago.
[32:48.370 --> 32:56.070]  [SPEAKER_07]: But, no, no, there is a TV station in L.A., though, that is rebroadcasting...
[32:56.070 --> 32:58.630]  [SPEAKER_07]: I believe it's nightly news of...
[32:58.630 --> 33:00.950]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, probably Vremia, or I think that's how you pronounce it.
[33:00.950 --> 33:01.690]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, one of them.
[33:01.770 --> 33:02.650]  [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know.
[33:02.830 --> 33:03.230]  [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know.
[33:03.310 --> 33:03.630]  [SPEAKER_07]: That's...
[33:03.630 --> 33:07.650]  [SPEAKER_07]: Because I'm not in L.A., and I don't have a satellite station, some of that stuff kind of goes by.
[33:08.050 --> 33:10.090]  [SPEAKER_05]: Now, is that the PBS station there, by chance?
[33:11.050 --> 33:12.110]  [SPEAKER_07]: I really don't know.
[33:12.650 --> 33:17.090]  [SPEAKER_07]: All I remember is that it was L.A., and the call sign of the station had a K in front of it.
[33:17.170 --> 33:18.090]  [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, yeah, that's...
[33:19.490 --> 33:21.990]  [SPEAKER_07]: But, you know, it's pretty easy.
[33:22.450 --> 33:25.350]  [SPEAKER_07]: I, myself, I've been listening to shortwave radios for a long time.
[33:25.350 --> 33:26.630]  [SPEAKER_07]: I've called up the station a couple of times.
[33:26.770 --> 33:28.670]  [SPEAKER_07]: People are probably tired of hearing me as they are in Monroe.
[33:30.390 --> 33:31.110]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, anyway...
[33:31.110 --> 33:32.350]  [SPEAKER_05]: Were you the person arguing with Monroe?
[33:32.670 --> 33:32.870]  [SPEAKER_05]: Huh?
[33:33.050 --> 33:34.570]  [SPEAKER_05]: Were you the person arguing with Monroe?
[33:34.810 --> 33:35.370]  [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, no, no, no.
[33:35.370 --> 33:35.750]  [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, okay.
[33:35.850 --> 33:36.030]  [SPEAKER_05]: Not me earlier.
[33:36.150 --> 33:36.230]  [SPEAKER_07]: No.
[33:36.550 --> 33:38.950]  [SPEAKER_07]: Actually, and not to...
[33:38.950 --> 33:42.370]  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, I was real surprised that I was able to cut through his barrage there.
[33:42.410 --> 33:44.290]  [SPEAKER_07]: I guess he's got some kind of groovy little device.
[33:44.570 --> 33:49.630]  [SPEAKER_05]: It's pretty damn unfair, I think, to use more than one line to call in the station and tie up all the lines.
[33:49.930 --> 33:52.990]  [SPEAKER_07]: Well, he's done that before, but they got him worked up tonight.
[33:52.990 --> 33:58.330]  [SPEAKER_07]: Personally, I think that in the past few weeks, I think he's gotten pretty good, actually.
[33:58.870 --> 34:13.390]  [SPEAKER_07]: And, Monroe, I know you're listening to this, and don't go crazy on me now, but he's been getting better, and he's been keeping his airtime short and to the point, and hasn't really been going off until tonight when they let him on.
[34:13.610 --> 34:16.690]  [SPEAKER_07]: And then that other guy started arguing with him, and then he kind of went nuts.
[34:16.690 --> 34:23.490]  [SPEAKER_07]: I guess now he's got his demon dialer out, or whatever that thing is, and he's going to, you know, block all the lines.
[34:23.670 --> 34:25.990]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, well, that's just not cool in my book.
[34:26.050 --> 34:29.770]  [SPEAKER_05]: And maybe if we all play by the rules, I'll be a little more reasonable here.
[34:29.970 --> 34:32.310]  [SPEAKER_07]: No, lately he really has been getting better.
[34:32.430 --> 34:35.630]  [SPEAKER_07]: He doesn't call up all the shows, and the shows that I do hear him on.
[34:35.630 --> 34:39.770]  [SPEAKER_07]: I work at home, so, you know, I have WBAI on in the background a lot.
[34:40.710 --> 34:42.330]  [SPEAKER_07]: And it seems to me...
[34:42.330 --> 34:43.510]  [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe you're a good person to ask this.
[34:43.550 --> 34:44.290]  [SPEAKER_05]: When does he sleep?
[34:45.070 --> 34:45.710]  [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know.
[34:45.710 --> 34:54.030]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, because every time I turn on the radio and there's a call-in show, he manages to call in, and either he has a beeper that goes off whenever he asks for calls, or he never sleeps at all.
[34:54.250 --> 34:57.830]  [SPEAKER_07]: But what I was going to say before, anyway, is that shortwave radios are real easy to come by.
[34:57.910 --> 34:58.270]  [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, yeah.
[34:58.450 --> 35:02.970]  [SPEAKER_07]: And you can get one for, like, a hundred bucks, and you can listen to any news broadcast from anywhere in the world.
[35:03.090 --> 35:06.490]  [SPEAKER_05]: But the best kind of the digital ones, because that way you know exactly where you're tuning.
[35:06.670 --> 35:15.930]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, but if you just, if you want to get news, I mean, it's like, it's like, you know, it's like the difference between, I guess, between reading the daily news and reading the New York Times.
[35:16.090 --> 35:21.970]  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, you're going to get the basic story from the daily news, and if you want to read all the detail and stuff, you go for the New York Times.
[35:22.430 --> 35:30.030]  [SPEAKER_07]: But you can, you know, for a hundred bucks, or you could probably find a used one for a lot less than that, and you can listen to whatever you want to listen to.
[35:30.190 --> 35:38.210]  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, you can listen to Radio Havana, you can listen to TAS or Peace and Progress out of the Soviet Union, BBC, Radio Netherlands.
[35:38.610 --> 35:43.330]  [SPEAKER_05]: It would be great if we could do the same thing on TV, not just with news, but with all the entertainment programs.
[35:43.650 --> 35:45.370]  [SPEAKER_05]: When I was in Europe this summer...
[35:45.370 --> 35:47.210]  [SPEAKER_07]: You can do that, but you've got to get a satellite dish.
[35:47.530 --> 35:48.790]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but why should you have to do that?
[35:48.850 --> 35:57.850]  [SPEAKER_05]: Why can't, with all the many TV stations we have and all the cable systems that broadcast something like 60 channels... I mean, when I was in Florida, I was at my friend's house, and he had cable TV.
[35:58.070 --> 35:58.330]  Right.
[35:58.330 --> 36:02.290]  [SPEAKER_05]: And, you know, I don't have cable TV, and whenever I see it, I sort of play around with it.
[36:02.530 --> 36:05.590]  [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, for God's sake, the guy has four home shopping channels.
[36:06.270 --> 36:09.290]  [SPEAKER_04]: What is the point of four home shopping channels?
[36:09.350 --> 36:11.610]  [SPEAKER_07]: But those... you realize how much money those people make?
[36:11.750 --> 36:15.290]  [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, that home shopping network, they took in, I don't know, millions of dollars.
[36:15.330 --> 36:18.910]  [SPEAKER_05]: But is everything in our lives going to be dictated by how much money something makes?
[36:18.990 --> 36:24.150]  [SPEAKER_05]: Why don't we have a channel there that has foreign newscasts and foreign films exclusively?
[36:24.710 --> 36:26.690]  [SPEAKER_05]: You know, it would be so good for us.
[36:26.690 --> 36:28.450]  [SPEAKER_07]: Well, I don't know.
[36:28.530 --> 36:29.770]  [SPEAKER_07]: There are things out there.
[36:29.770 --> 36:30.350]  [SPEAKER_07]: I agree.
[36:30.590 --> 36:32.090]  [SPEAKER_07]: I do agree with you.
[36:32.450 --> 36:35.650]  [SPEAKER_07]: But on the other hand, that stuff is out there.
[36:35.870 --> 36:55.670]  [SPEAKER_07]: And with the space program, as they get these communication satellites dialed in a little bit more, what they're working on is now that instead of having this massive, I don't know what they are, eight, ten-foot diameter dishes out in your backyard, they're moving that down into where it's only going to be something about two foot in diameter.
[36:56.710 --> 36:59.090]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, that's all fine and good, but...
[36:59.090 --> 37:02.110]  [SPEAKER_07]: Kind of smaller than any kind of TV antenna you'd have now.
[37:02.330 --> 37:05.410]  [SPEAKER_07]: You hang one of these bad boys out your window, and you've got the satellite.
[37:05.690 --> 37:08.410]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but what about the decoder and all that kind of thing, you know?
[37:08.550 --> 37:20.770]  [SPEAKER_07]: Well, some... a lot of the... you know, if you want, like you were saying, you know, if you want news and just general kind of network stuff, like that we would get over here, but you want the European version of that, you'll get that unscrambled.
[37:20.890 --> 37:25.470]  [SPEAKER_07]: NBC and CBS and ABC are all unscrambled as far as...
[37:25.470 --> 37:29.810]  [SPEAKER_07]: Now, you know, this is all from just what I know from talking to other people about this stuff.
[37:29.890 --> 37:40.330]  [SPEAKER_07]: As I say, I don't have one, but they all say that, oh, yeah, you pick up... you know, you pick up the news feeds for, like, CBS or NBC that, you know...
[37:40.330 --> 37:41.710]  [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah, I saw one of those news feeds.
[37:41.770 --> 37:44.530]  [SPEAKER_07]: It's into the... before it goes through their mill, like...
[37:44.530 --> 37:52.470]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I was in... I won't say which network I was in, but I was in a certain network while they were broadcasting from Berlin, while the wall was being climbed and all that.
[37:52.570 --> 37:54.090]  [SPEAKER_05]: Like, you'd be able to pick that stuff up.
[37:54.210 --> 38:04.230]  [SPEAKER_05]: And you saw the anchormen standing there between the shots saying what they really felt about the whole situation, and I'll tell you, if that made a major magazine, it would be a scandal, the things they were saying.
[38:05.830 --> 38:08.350]  [SPEAKER_05]: So, it's fun to be able to tune into that kind of thing.
[38:08.350 --> 38:12.350]  [SPEAKER_07]: I get... I can get... on shortwave, you can get the...
[38:13.090 --> 38:14.190]  [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, excuse me.
[38:15.390 --> 38:19.050]  [SPEAKER_07]: The... what they call AFRTS, which is Armed Forces Radio...
[38:19.050 --> 38:21.710]  [SPEAKER_05]: Now, I heard a report from somewhere that that had been discontinued.
[38:22.350 --> 38:23.430]  [SPEAKER_07]: It has.
[38:23.430 --> 38:39.490]  [SPEAKER_07]: It's not as popular as it was, but there's still a few stations out there that carry it, because there are some Navy ships and stuff that don't have satellite capability, or don't have that form of satellite capability, or whatever, but...
[38:39.490 --> 38:40.850]  [SPEAKER_03]: No, but I heard that...
[38:40.850 --> 38:45.570]  [SPEAKER_07]: Run that all through the satellite, and for some interesting reason, that that is encrypted on...
[38:45.570 --> 38:48.470]  [SPEAKER_07]: All the AFRTS transmissions that go through the satellites are encrypted.
[38:48.490 --> 39:00.610]  [SPEAKER_05]: But I had heard that on the shortwave, all the Armed Forces Radio, Television services had been curtailed, which is surprising, since the... since we seem to be moving the military all over the world again, you know, it seemed like we wanted to send them a radio program or something.
[39:00.610 --> 39:05.450]  [SPEAKER_07]: Um, AFRTS is on...
[39:07.350 --> 39:09.550]  [SPEAKER_07]: Um, it's somewhere around 7 megahertz.
[39:09.670 --> 39:09.970]  [SPEAKER_07]: Hang on.
[39:10.270 --> 39:12.190]  [SPEAKER_07]: Um, I'm bringing it up here.
[39:12.350 --> 39:13.450]  [SPEAKER_05]: Get your pencils ready, folks.
[39:13.670 --> 39:14.530]  [SPEAKER_07]: Get your pencils ready.
[39:14.650 --> 39:17.070]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, if you want to listen to it, it's on...
[39:17.070 --> 39:18.150]  [SPEAKER_07]: Sorry, it's taking so long.
[39:18.150 --> 39:19.930]  [SPEAKER_07]: I have an old and slow computer.
[39:20.090 --> 39:20.750]  [SPEAKER_05]: How many megahertz?
[39:21.570 --> 39:21.970]  [SPEAKER_07]: Eight.
[39:22.430 --> 39:22.770]  [SPEAKER_05]: Eight?
[39:22.850 --> 39:23.490]  [SPEAKER_05]: That's not slow.
[39:23.750 --> 39:24.990]  [SPEAKER_07]: It is nowadays.
[39:25.210 --> 39:26.690]  [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, nowadays it is, but still it's not...
[39:26.690 --> 39:29.550]  [SPEAKER_07]: When you have, uh, 2,000 records in, uh, in a...
[39:29.550 --> 39:31.610]  [SPEAKER_07]: in a frequency database, it takes forever.
[39:31.890 --> 39:32.890]  [SPEAKER_05]: What are you using, D-Base?
[39:33.110 --> 39:35.410]  [SPEAKER_07]: Uh, no, no, no.
[39:35.610 --> 39:36.190]  [SPEAKER_05]: Use D-Base.
[39:36.290 --> 39:36.890]  [SPEAKER_05]: It's a lot faster.
[39:37.370 --> 39:38.610]  [SPEAKER_07]: Well, I... I guess.
[39:38.730 --> 39:40.570]  [SPEAKER_07]: It's all in the disk access time anyway.
[39:40.950 --> 39:41.370]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, that's...
[39:41.370 --> 39:42.630]  [SPEAKER_05]: What, are you using a floppy or a hard drive?
[39:42.890 --> 39:43.430]  [SPEAKER_05]: Hard drive.
[39:43.590 --> 39:43.950]  [SPEAKER_05]: Hard drive?
[39:44.070 --> 39:44.590]  [SPEAKER_05]: What's your step rate?
[39:44.810 --> 39:45.650]  [SPEAKER_07]: Even still.
[39:47.450 --> 39:48.950]  [SPEAKER_07]: Um, but anyway...
[39:48.950 --> 39:50.370]  [SPEAKER_07]: Anyway, um...
[39:50.370 --> 39:50.710]  [SPEAKER_07]: All right.
[39:50.870 --> 39:52.850]  [SPEAKER_07]: Let me... I'll pull this up real quick, and then I'll get off because...
[39:52.850 --> 39:53.510]  [SPEAKER_05]: Real quick, yes.
[39:53.630 --> 39:54.930]  [SPEAKER_05]: We have a bunch of Monroe...
[39:54.930 --> 39:55.830]  [SPEAKER_05]: Ah, call us waiting.
[39:56.690 --> 39:57.290]  [SPEAKER_07]: It's not all my...
[39:58.450 --> 39:59.370]  [SPEAKER_05]: Let me just give the number.
[39:59.490 --> 40:02.290]  [SPEAKER_05]: 2-1-2-2-7-9-3-4-0-7 is our call in line.
[40:02.550 --> 40:04.170]  [SPEAKER_05]: And please make a pledge, folks.
[40:04.290 --> 40:06.170]  [SPEAKER_05]: 2-1-2-2-7-9-3-4-100.
[40:06.430 --> 40:07.630]  [SPEAKER_05]: Keep this radio station going.
[40:09.670 --> 40:10.830]  [SPEAKER_05]: I can't read that number.
[40:11.250 --> 40:13.330]  [SPEAKER_05]: There's a 2D screen with a number, and I can't read it.
[40:13.490 --> 40:20.130]  [SPEAKER_07]: It is on 13.651 megahertz upper sideband.
[40:20.610 --> 40:21.790]  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it's upper sideband.
[40:21.890 --> 40:22.630]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, it's on a side...
[40:22.630 --> 40:24.150]  [SPEAKER_07]: As I say, it's for military.
[40:25.790 --> 40:26.830]  [SPEAKER_07]: Now, let's see.
[40:27.110 --> 40:42.930]  [SPEAKER_07]: If you really get into it, what you can do is get a radio telephone RTTY reader, and then you can just pull in stuff like TAS, which is on 5830 megahertz, and Reuters, which is on 6984 megahertz.
[40:42.930 --> 40:48.750]  [SPEAKER_05]: And that allows you to actually tie your computer into the shortwave and actually see words being typed out.
[40:48.750 --> 40:53.010]  [SPEAKER_07]: Right, and you're getting their news wire, just like you get Reuters at the radio station there.
[40:53.170 --> 40:54.550]  [SPEAKER_07]: So you can pick this stuff up.
[40:55.350 --> 40:57.710]  [SPEAKER_07]: There's also API and UPI news.
[40:58.670 --> 41:00.770]  [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, here's another AFRTS feeder.
[41:01.370 --> 41:01.850]  [SPEAKER_07]: This is...
[41:01.850 --> 41:02.310]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, okay.
[41:02.390 --> 41:08.150]  [SPEAKER_07]: This is the one that's just about always on, is 9242.2.
[41:08.250 --> 41:11.010]  [SPEAKER_07]: 9.2422 megahertz.
[41:13.230 --> 41:13.790]  [SPEAKER_07]: 92422.
[41:14.090 --> 41:17.030]  [SPEAKER_05]: Have you ever listened to what's called the number stations?
[41:17.350 --> 41:17.550]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[41:17.830 --> 41:18.430]  [SPEAKER_05]: What do you think of those?
[41:18.430 --> 41:46.510]  [SPEAKER_07]: I think that they're probably meant for agents, spy-type guys, and the most logical explanation of them that I agree with is that they use what they call one-time pads, which is that these pads, like a pad of paper, has each page on that pad has a code on it,
[41:46.530 --> 42:01.030]  [SPEAKER_07]: and that code is good for one day, or maybe even one transmission, that happens at a certain time, and that code, that page on that code, correlates to the numbers that are being broadcast.
[42:01.210 --> 42:12.030]  [SPEAKER_05]: Now, before you go any further on that, though, for the benefit of our listeners, the number stations are simply, you turn on your shortwave radio, you're tuning around, and all of a sudden you hear somebody just saying numbers, random numbers, it seems,
[42:12.250 --> 42:15.330]  [SPEAKER_05]: sometimes in different languages, Spanish, German, English, I've heard.
[42:15.430 --> 42:16.770]  [SPEAKER_05]: Some are in Spanish that I've heard.
[42:16.770 --> 42:22.450]  [SPEAKER_05]: You can never get a straight answer as to what those stations are for, and several of them have been traced to this country.
[42:22.650 --> 42:24.290]  [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, oh, they're definitely out of this country.
[42:24.490 --> 42:25.290]  [SPEAKER_05]: But not all of them.
[42:25.790 --> 42:33.310]  [SPEAKER_07]: No, no, not all of them, but there's a few of them that come up right on the same frequencies that, like, the DEA uses.
[42:36.170 --> 42:37.310]  [SPEAKER_07]: Um... let's see.
[42:38.070 --> 42:39.130]  [SPEAKER_07]: I'll get you that one.
[42:39.290 --> 42:40.690]  [SPEAKER_05]: You've got everything in that computer, don't you?
[42:43.630 --> 42:44.530]  [SPEAKER_07]: Uh... uh...
[42:47.350 --> 42:47.950]  70...
[42:48.830 --> 42:49.430]  75...
[42:53.120 --> 42:54.020]  [SPEAKER_07]: Where is it?
[42:54.080 --> 42:54.560]  [SPEAKER_07]: It's not here.
[42:55.800 --> 42:56.900]  [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, here it is.
[42:56.960 --> 42:58.160]  [SPEAKER_07]: 52-77.
[42:59.580 --> 43:00.180]  [SPEAKER_07]: Um...
[43:00.180 --> 43:02.700]  [SPEAKER_07]: Upper side band is a DEA frequency.
[43:03.000 --> 43:04.560]  [SPEAKER_07]: Um, that's their alpha channel.
[43:05.660 --> 43:06.260]  [SPEAKER_07]: Um...
[43:06.260 --> 43:10.820]  [SPEAKER_07]: And you'll be able to hear their guys flying around in, uh, Columbia and stuff on that.
[43:10.820 --> 43:12.660]  [SPEAKER_05]: So do you listen to the DEA on the radio?
[43:13.460 --> 43:21.480]  [SPEAKER_07]: Um, uh, most of their stuff, I'd say a good 80% of their stuff is encrypted, but the 20% that's not is pretty interesting.
[43:21.800 --> 43:33.640]  [SPEAKER_07]: Um, a lot of times it's, um, tracking nets, tracking various planes, ships, and stuff in the Gulf of Mexico, and they track them until they, you know, the planes land.
[43:33.880 --> 43:47.180]  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, if it's an unidentified plane or something like this, or a private plane, they track it until it lands, and, you know, and, um, they, they have planes that'll go up to it and get a visual on it and get the numbers off the plane, and then they check the registration,
[43:47.300 --> 43:54.380]  [SPEAKER_07]: and if there's anything, you know, at all suspicious about the registration, they immediately, you know, they'll, they'll follow the thing right down onto the ground.
[43:55.060 --> 44:00.900]  [SPEAKER_07]: And, uh, and you hear them, like, um, the, the, they were really busy.
[44:01.060 --> 44:06.540]  [SPEAKER_07]: Remember when there was that big, uh, bus, where was it, down in Philly, where they got tons and tons of dope and stuff?
[44:06.740 --> 44:06.940]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[44:07.080 --> 44:24.400]  [SPEAKER_07]: The night before that, there was a lot of activity, um, on, uh, on, on ships and stuff, and, you know, they, they talk in code and stuff, well, you know, we go to, now we're going to Alpha, and our next stop is going to be Baker, and like this, and, and so-and-so is waiting at Baker for you to get there,
[44:24.640 --> 44:31.140]  [SPEAKER_07]: and, and like that, you know, but, um, it gives you kind of an idea of what they're up to, you know, and, and how they operate.
[44:31.820 --> 44:45.260]  [SPEAKER_07]: And, um, I, I'll tell you, I, those guys, they seem pretty straight, you know, um, I've heard a lot of, I, I also listen to, like, listen to police calls and stuff like that, and, and I've heard a lot flakier stuff, you know, done by the police.
[44:45.400 --> 44:46.260]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, what do you mean by flaky?
[44:46.940 --> 44:49.700]  [SPEAKER_07]: Um, just, just dumb things.
[44:50.120 --> 45:08.040]  [SPEAKER_07]: Um, um, let's see, the best one, the one I always like to tell the story of is, is where I, I was listening to some narcs, and they had busted these guys, um, supposedly with a car full of dope, and the, the narcs called in, uh, the plainclothesmen, they were,
[45:08.160 --> 45:22.420]  [SPEAKER_07]: they called in for a uniform unit to come and back them up, and while they took the alleged dope dealers downtown to book them, the, uh, the uniform unit was supposed to sit there and, and watch the, uh, watch the evidence.
[45:23.460 --> 45:33.200]  [SPEAKER_07]: And about a half hour later, they get back there, and the evidence was gone, and the guy was, the uniform cop was watching the wrong car or something, and they come back, and they said, well, where's the car?
[45:33.340 --> 45:34.680]  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, and the guy's like, well, what car?
[45:34.780 --> 45:35.320]  [SPEAKER_07]: It's right there.
[45:35.440 --> 45:37.440]  [SPEAKER_07]: He goes, they're going like, well, that's not the car.
[45:37.840 --> 45:39.460]  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, where met the other car?
[45:39.940 --> 45:44.640]  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what happened to But they said all this in police lingo, I imagine.
[45:44.940 --> 45:46.160]  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, 10-4s and all that.
[45:46.260 --> 45:52.420]  [SPEAKER_07]: I'll tell you, once it was determined that he wasn't watching the right car, the police lingo dropped pretty quick.
[45:52.520 --> 45:54.880]  [SPEAKER_07]: But no, they don't really use all that much lingo.
[45:55.900 --> 45:58.460]  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, especially when you're talking about the...
[45:58.460 --> 46:03.100]  [SPEAKER_07]: especially when you get into the... listening to the detectives and narcs and stuff like that.
[46:03.280 --> 46:10.440]  [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, when you're listening to some guy do a traffic stop, yeah, you know, then they get into a lot of codes and stuff because it's easier to deal with.
[46:10.540 --> 46:11.780]  [SPEAKER_07]: It's all just numbers and stuff.
[46:13.300 --> 46:18.260]  [SPEAKER_07]: They're moving over to computer terminals in their cars now, and there's already people out there.
[46:28.380 --> 46:30.280]  [SPEAKER_07]: I've got a couple of good leads on that.
[46:30.360 --> 46:31.140]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, God bless them.
[46:31.440 --> 46:31.860]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, right?
[46:32.560 --> 46:33.560]  [SPEAKER_05]: Let me ask you something.
[46:33.640 --> 46:35.180]  [SPEAKER_05]: You seem to know quite a bit about all of this.
[46:35.280 --> 46:44.760]  [SPEAKER_05]: For somebody that's interested in getting into the world of shortwave, the world of VHF scanning, listening to the cops, listening to the drug enforcement agency, what do you recommend?
[46:45.080 --> 46:46.480]  [SPEAKER_05]: Magazines, books, agencies?
[46:48.240 --> 46:48.640]  [SPEAKER_07]: Hmm.
[46:48.640 --> 46:52.280]  [SPEAKER_07]: Well, if there's... you know, that's... I tell you, I've been doing it since high school.
[46:52.400 --> 46:54.180]  [SPEAKER_07]: That's like 20 years, you know.
[46:54.360 --> 46:56.320]  [SPEAKER_07]: So it's hard.
[46:56.640 --> 47:02.340]  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, I can't give you any one reference that's going to put 20 years, you know, of listening to radios into a book.
[47:03.660 --> 47:10.980]  [SPEAKER_07]: If you want to listen to shortwave, a good start would be a book called Passport to World Band Radio.
[47:11.120 --> 47:11.600]  [SPEAKER_05]: I hear you.
[47:11.660 --> 47:13.160]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, that is the gospel.
[47:13.160 --> 47:14.360]  [SPEAKER_07]: And, well, no, no, no, no.
[47:14.420 --> 47:14.600]  [SPEAKER_07]: It's not.
[47:14.680 --> 47:18.220]  [SPEAKER_07]: Personally, I like the WRTH, the World Radio TV handbook.
[47:18.240 --> 47:19.040]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, but they're different.
[47:19.220 --> 47:28.680]  [SPEAKER_07]: But the Passport, for a beginner, the Passport has a lot more information on what's outside of the broadcast bands in the way of, like, like Air Force stuff.
[47:28.860 --> 47:32.320]  [SPEAKER_07]: I've been listening to... lately I've been listening to a lot of Air Force stuff from Panama.
[47:32.320 --> 47:40.280]  [SPEAKER_05]: You see, what Passport does that I like is they list every frequency and every hour of the day and tells you exactly what is on and what language.
[47:40.500 --> 47:43.820]  [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, yeah, but that's only for, as I say, but that's only for broadcast stations.
[47:44.240 --> 47:44.540]  [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
[47:44.760 --> 47:47.840]  [SPEAKER_07]: Right, so, you know, if you want the broadcast station check, go for that.
[47:48.360 --> 47:51.480]  [SPEAKER_05]: I think that's what most people are interested in who are just starting out, anyway.
[47:51.700 --> 47:57.440]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, that one, that book you'll probably be able... that and World Radio TV handbook you should be able to find in most of the better bookstores.
[47:58.780 --> 48:00.680]  [SPEAKER_07]: Most bookstores probably would have it.
[48:00.820 --> 48:04.460]  [SPEAKER_07]: Anything that's got, like, an electronics or a radio section should have those, too.
[48:04.980 --> 48:17.540]  [SPEAKER_07]: For scanners, the only book I could recommend is just... is really to go out and get a radio and start listening, you know, start tuning around the band and seeing what's out there.
[48:17.780 --> 48:23.820]  [SPEAKER_07]: There's a book called Scanner Master that's... I don't know where you'd be able to get it.
[48:23.980 --> 48:26.380]  [SPEAKER_07]: It's only from a real radio shop.
[48:26.500 --> 48:27.540]  [SPEAKER_07]: There's a couple in New York City.
[48:28.780 --> 48:30.060]  [SPEAKER_05]: You can name them if you want.
[48:31.320 --> 48:32.420]  [SPEAKER_05]: Oh... If you know what they are.
[48:32.660 --> 48:34.620]  [SPEAKER_07]: I think... I think there's one called Barry.
[48:34.840 --> 48:37.620]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, Barry is on, what, Broadway downtown somewhere.
[48:37.960 --> 48:39.500]  [SPEAKER_07]: I just know I've seen his ad.
[48:39.620 --> 48:40.640]  [SPEAKER_07]: He might have it.
[48:40.720 --> 48:41.320]  [SPEAKER_07]: I don't even know.
[48:41.420 --> 48:42.720]  [SPEAKER_07]: I've never been there, never dealt with them.
[48:42.940 --> 48:43.420]  [SPEAKER_05]: Are there others?
[48:43.740 --> 48:45.140]  [SPEAKER_07]: In New York City, no.
[48:46.120 --> 48:52.200]  [SPEAKER_07]: There's one out here in New Jersey called Guilfers, and I know they'll have it there in Park Ridge, New Jersey, and they'll have it.
[48:53.080 --> 48:56.240]  [SPEAKER_07]: And it's called Scanner Master, and that gives you the whole area.
[48:56.420 --> 49:07.580]  [SPEAKER_07]: We're talking in New York, New Jersey, Long Island, Connecticut, and gives you all the different radio frequencies for all the different police organizations.
[49:07.940 --> 49:10.920]  [SPEAKER_05]: Plus, what about the RadioShack book?
[49:11.100 --> 49:13.740]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, now the RadioShack also has a book called Police Call.
[49:14.220 --> 49:18.220]  [SPEAKER_07]: I haven't seen... I've never seen a police call for New York City.
[49:18.400 --> 49:19.680]  [SPEAKER_07]: That's not saying that there isn't one.
[49:19.780 --> 49:20.960]  [SPEAKER_07]: I just have never seen one.
[49:21.100 --> 49:22.880]  [SPEAKER_07]: I have the one for New Jersey.
[49:23.920 --> 49:26.380]  [SPEAKER_07]: But if you get the Scanner Master, you get all of them.
[49:26.800 --> 49:31.140]  [SPEAKER_07]: Like, RadioShack puts out, they have different books for different areas.
[49:31.260 --> 49:42.540]  [SPEAKER_07]: But if you live in New York City or in the New York metropolitan area, and you get the Scanner Master book, which I think it costs about the same or no more than a dollar or two more than the RadioShack book.
[49:42.860 --> 49:47.360]  [SPEAKER_07]: If you get the Scanner Master book, it gives you a lot, a lot, lot, lot more information.
[49:47.360 --> 49:48.420]  [SPEAKER_07]: It gives you codes.
[49:48.660 --> 49:51.220]  [SPEAKER_07]: It gives you designators for the different units.
[49:51.220 --> 50:08.040]  [SPEAKER_07]: Like when the plane crashed out off in LaGuardia, okay, I was able to track down to find out what frequencies they were on because Scanner Master gave me the listing for the scuba team and, you know, and stuff like that.
[50:08.760 --> 50:08.820]  So,
[50:12.000 --> 50:12.620]  um...
[50:12.620 --> 50:12.880]  [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[50:12.940 --> 50:18.240]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, folks, if any other questions, they can always write us here at the station and we'll try to hook them up with things.
[50:18.680 --> 50:19.300]  [SPEAKER_13]: Or whatever.
[50:19.300 --> 50:19.880]  [SPEAKER_05]: All right.
[50:19.960 --> 50:20.640]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, thanks for calling.
[50:20.720 --> 50:27.300]  [SPEAKER_05]: We are going to, if we have time, we'll, uh, we'll put on some, uh, Soviet mass media review news from, uh, the shortwave.
[50:27.640 --> 50:28.480]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, sure, do that.
[50:28.700 --> 50:34.160]  [SPEAKER_07]: I, yeah, I like to, I, you know, that's, you know, hey, there's, there's something too, you know, you say, well, where can we get this stuff?
[50:34.400 --> 50:41.800]  [SPEAKER_07]: And hey, we're talking over a 50,000 watt FM radio station and you guys have access to Reuters news and I'm sure you have access to TAS and stuff like this.
[50:41.940 --> 50:47.080]  [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, I hear WBAI reports on TAS, so TAS must send stuff to WBAI now.
[50:49.540 --> 50:53.000]  [SPEAKER_05]: What you just heard drop on the counter is a tape that came from Moscow.
[50:53.240 --> 50:53.720]  [SPEAKER_05]: There you go.
[50:53.820 --> 51:00.980]  [SPEAKER_05]: And, uh, it's in English and it's, uh, sort of, uh, um, a comprise of all the, uh, the major newspapers in Moscow.
[51:00.980 --> 51:02.120]  [SPEAKER_07]: The worst part about that is...
[51:02.120 --> 51:02.440]  [SPEAKER_05]: What's that?
[51:02.580 --> 51:06.760]  [SPEAKER_07]: ...is that, is that you can listen to, you listen to the United States take on stuff, right?
[51:06.940 --> 51:07.140]  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[51:07.300 --> 51:10.620]  [SPEAKER_07]: And you listen to Radio Moscow, or not so much Radio Moscow as, like, Peace and Progress.
[51:10.700 --> 51:17.700]  [SPEAKER_07]: You listen to the, the American propaganda and then you listen to the, the, the left propaganda, the Russian propaganda, or Cuba, or whoever.
[51:17.940 --> 51:20.200]  [SPEAKER_07]: And it just, it cancels everything out.
[51:20.340 --> 51:20.540]  [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
[51:20.680 --> 51:21.860]  [SPEAKER_05]: And you wonder what really happened.
[51:22.040 --> 51:22.260]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[51:22.360 --> 51:25.240]  [SPEAKER_07]: And you, you, you realize that, Jesus, nobody knows.
[51:25.440 --> 51:32.860]  [SPEAKER_07]: Because, you know, they, they're saying, in some instances, they, they're saying the exact opposite of what, what the American press is putting out.
[51:32.980 --> 51:34.560]  [SPEAKER_07]: And you're like, well, what really happened?
[51:34.860 --> 51:35.080]  [SPEAKER_13]: Mm-hmm.
[51:35.220 --> 51:36.120]  [SPEAKER_07]: Just have no way to know.
[51:36.660 --> 51:39.180]  [SPEAKER_07]: So, so, so, that's, that's the worst part of it.
[51:39.340 --> 51:47.320]  [SPEAKER_07]: So, okay, listen, I, I like your shows, the shows that you've done about, about telephones and stuff like that, because I don't know anything about telephones.
[51:47.680 --> 51:48.900]  [SPEAKER_07]: And, and I'd like to know more.
[51:49.040 --> 51:54.300]  [SPEAKER_07]: So, if you, if you're going to be on now every other week or whatever, do another show about telephones.
[51:54.440 --> 52:00.800]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I'll be doing the old Citizen Kafka show every, um, Thursday night, Friday morning from 11.45 to 1.
[52:00.880 --> 52:02.960]  [SPEAKER_05]: If you have questions about telephones, just ask.
[52:03.160 --> 52:03.380]  [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[52:03.620 --> 52:05.920]  [SPEAKER_05]: You know, I'm, I'm happy to, to answer questions like that.
[52:06.100 --> 52:06.100]  Anytime.
[52:06.300 --> 52:13.120]  [SPEAKER_07]: The last, last show you had, I, I, I got a couple of, that, when you were calling all the numbers that didn't go anywhere and bugging the operators with them.
[52:13.280 --> 52:14.220]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that was nasty, wasn't it?
[52:14.280 --> 52:16.080]  [SPEAKER_07]: And I was rolling on the floor with that one.
[52:16.380 --> 52:17.260]  [SPEAKER_07]: That was pretty good.
[52:17.600 --> 52:21.040]  [SPEAKER_07]: Now, do you think, um, I'll, just one quick question and then I'm going to go.
[52:21.160 --> 52:21.300]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[52:21.560 --> 52:22.300]  [SPEAKER_07]: I'm up too much of your time.
[52:22.660 --> 52:28.490]  [SPEAKER_07]: Um, do you think that if you tried to call those numbers again, they've wiped those things out?
[52:28.490 --> 52:29.810]  [SPEAKER_05]: I think they probably still would be there.
[52:29.970 --> 52:31.710]  [SPEAKER_05]: Unfortunately, I don't have them with me, but, uh...
[52:31.710 --> 52:31.810]  [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[52:32.050 --> 52:33.030]  [SPEAKER_07]: I was just curious.
[52:33.810 --> 52:38.110]  [SPEAKER_07]: Now, now, are those like, are those like numbers, like, like my shortwave numbers stations?
[52:38.290 --> 52:39.930]  [SPEAKER_07]: Is there something funny about them?
[52:39.930 --> 52:41.450]  [SPEAKER_07]: Or is that just some glitch?
[52:41.510 --> 52:43.070]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, it's, it's, it's weird.
[52:43.250 --> 52:48.830]  [SPEAKER_05]: Some phone companies in some parts of the country, for some reason, they store all their recordings on separate phone numbers.
[52:48.950 --> 52:57.750]  [SPEAKER_05]: So if you're lucky enough to find the phone number that they store a certain recording on, you can call up and actually hear a recording asking you to deposit 25 cents when you're not calling from a payphone.
[52:57.930 --> 52:58.230]  [SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
[52:58.410 --> 52:58.650]  [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[52:58.650 --> 52:59.710]  [SPEAKER_05]: So it's something like that.
[52:59.870 --> 53:00.490]  [SPEAKER_05]: Listen, do me a favor.
[53:00.690 --> 53:00.890]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[53:01.010 --> 53:02.870]  [SPEAKER_05]: Tell the folks to call in and, and, and, and pledge.
[53:03.310 --> 53:03.890]  [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, yeah.
[53:03.990 --> 53:04.510]  [SPEAKER_07]: Hey, definitely.
[53:04.850 --> 53:06.370]  [SPEAKER_07]: Geez, I, I give money to the station.
[53:07.190 --> 53:09.310]  [SPEAKER_07]: Uh, no, I won't say it, but give a pledge.
[53:09.690 --> 53:10.190]  [SPEAKER_05]: Do a pitch.
[53:10.290 --> 53:10.630]  [SPEAKER_05]: Do a pitch.
[53:10.750 --> 53:11.930]  [SPEAKER_05]: I want to hear a listener pitch here.
[53:12.130 --> 53:12.410]  [SPEAKER_07]: Pitch.
[53:12.690 --> 53:14.790]  [SPEAKER_07]: Geez, I've been listening to WBAI for 20 years.
[53:14.950 --> 53:19.470]  [SPEAKER_07]: I've been sending you guys a check at least, at least once a year for the past 20 years.
[53:20.150 --> 53:32.790]  [SPEAKER_07]: Um, anybody, if there's, there's nowhere in New York City, heck, there's very few places in the country that you get quality, quality radio with no commercial interruptions except for the marathon.
[53:33.510 --> 53:39.730]  [SPEAKER_07]: We're talking quality radio, not this mindless blathering, like, like what you just had to put up with for the past year.
[53:40.390 --> 53:41.350]  [SPEAKER_05]: Give the phone number.
[53:41.470 --> 53:45.450]  [SPEAKER_07]: Anyway, 212-279-3400.
[53:45.670 --> 53:46.610]  [SPEAKER_07]: Call it now.
[53:46.810 --> 53:47.570]  [SPEAKER_07]: Pledge some money.
[53:47.970 --> 53:49.610]  [SPEAKER_07]: Give, give, pledge your time.
[53:50.430 --> 53:50.590]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[53:50.870 --> 53:56.290]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, as somebody who is, who has pledged to WBAI, what, what went through your mind the first time you actually did it?
[53:57.070 --> 53:59.370]  [SPEAKER_05]: Or right before the first time you actually did it?
[53:59.430 --> 54:00.470]  [SPEAKER_07]: The first time I actually did it?
[54:00.610 --> 54:00.910]  [SPEAKER_07]: Before?
[54:01.190 --> 54:03.690]  [SPEAKER_07]: Uh, actually it was, it was like, what?
[54:03.790 --> 54:10.190]  [SPEAKER_07]: You mean all I got to do is, is send these people a check for, I don't even remember what it was at the time, I don't know, 20 bucks or something like this?
[54:10.550 --> 54:16.190]  [SPEAKER_07]: And, and, and all I have to do is send these guys a check and I don't have to listen to commercials and I get to hear all this neat stuff?
[54:16.570 --> 54:18.070]  [SPEAKER_07]: Sure, that's cheap.
[54:18.750 --> 54:19.290]  [SPEAKER_07]: That's cheap.
[54:19.390 --> 54:34.510]  [SPEAKER_07]: You think about all the time when you're listening to commercial stuff, how much of that garbage that you have to put up with, how many times you hear the same stupid newscast and the same stupid commercials over and the same inane music.
[54:34.730 --> 54:36.390]  [SPEAKER_05]: Not just, not just on the same station either.
[54:36.450 --> 54:39.810]  [SPEAKER_05]: You know, I hear the same newscast on totally different networks, word for word.
[54:40.690 --> 54:41.630]  [SPEAKER_05]: That's part of it, too.
[54:41.770 --> 54:43.130]  [SPEAKER_05]: That's downright criminal, I think.
[54:43.390 --> 54:46.150]  [SPEAKER_07]: The more you get into it, you start hearing different...
[54:46.150 --> 54:50.710]  [SPEAKER_07]: In the United States, you'll hear different takes on different newscasts.
[54:50.770 --> 54:56.430]  [SPEAKER_07]: Like, you listen to, like, ABC and CBS, and you'll hear them tell the same story, but two different ways, and they wonder why people are confused.
[54:56.670 --> 55:09.410]  [SPEAKER_07]: Of course they're confused, because they're getting 16 different takes on a news story that two cars had an accident, and one station says, well, the cars were traveling east and west, and the other station says, no, they were traveling north and south.
[55:09.650 --> 55:11.410]  [SPEAKER_07]: And you're like, what is this?
[55:11.510 --> 55:12.930]  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, and you just want to go, ah!
[55:13.910 --> 55:15.850]  [SPEAKER_07]: And that's when you turn on WBAI.
[55:15.930 --> 55:19.270]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, it's, you know, it's poor journalism to a large degree.
[55:19.370 --> 55:27.250]  [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, this whole thing with the lottery, which I thought was great, it showed just how a lot of the press people just don't check things out.
[55:27.450 --> 55:28.970]  [SPEAKER_05]: They're too eager to make a headline.
[55:28.970 --> 55:30.670]  [SPEAKER_05]: They don't bother checking the story.
[55:30.810 --> 55:33.190]  [SPEAKER_07]: Well, that guy's a professional, from what I gathered.
[55:33.310 --> 55:33.850]  [SPEAKER_05]: He sure is.
[55:33.850 --> 55:43.150]  [SPEAKER_07]: That was, I got a kick out of that, because ABC News ran that as a real thing, and like two seconds later, they come back on.
[55:43.330 --> 55:49.450]  [SPEAKER_07]: And the thing is, it's really like that, it's really like, you know, it's true Big Brother.
[55:49.590 --> 55:52.550]  [SPEAKER_07]: 1984 happened, just like Orwell said it was going to happen.
[55:52.750 --> 55:54.950]  [SPEAKER_07]: And it's just, it's not as obvious.
[55:55.210 --> 56:00.890]  [SPEAKER_07]: But I mean, they came out and did a take on that right after one newscast finished.
[56:00.890 --> 56:07.890]  [SPEAKER_07]: The newscast, another newscaster came on live and did a story on the hoax, and it was as if the original newscast...
[56:08.490 --> 56:09.210]  [SPEAKER_03]: Never existed.
[56:09.370 --> 56:09.910]  [SPEAKER_07]: ...never existed.
[56:10.530 --> 56:12.830]  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, and that's the way they do it to you every day.
[56:14.050 --> 56:16.290]  [SPEAKER_07]: Time to day, with the news at the top of the hour.
[56:16.490 --> 56:18.150]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, except we have to realize one thing.
[56:18.230 --> 56:21.850]  [SPEAKER_05]: The news media don't have that control over us.
[56:21.950 --> 56:26.150]  [SPEAKER_05]: We let them think they have that control over us, but we're not under their control.
[56:26.530 --> 56:29.750]  [SPEAKER_05]: We're only under their control as long as we put them in our control.
[56:29.750 --> 56:30.350]  [SPEAKER_05]: You see what I'm saying?
[56:30.630 --> 56:31.830]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, no, I understand what you're saying.
[56:31.950 --> 56:38.930]  [SPEAKER_07]: I can't, and I really can't knock those guys, because, you know, over the years, they've really done a good job on a lot of stuff.
[56:39.050 --> 56:40.630]  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, hey, Watergate, you know, what would happen?
[56:40.630 --> 56:41.870]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but they've got to...
[56:41.870 --> 56:43.430]  [SPEAKER_07]: If we didn't have the media that we've got...
[56:43.430 --> 56:44.370]  [SPEAKER_05]: But that was a long time ago.
[56:44.450 --> 56:46.230]  [SPEAKER_05]: They've got to be doing these things all the time.
[56:46.230 --> 56:55.010]  [SPEAKER_05]: It's very important that they question and not, you know, be looked upon as, you know, as lackeys of the administration, which is what has happened with Panama.
[56:55.650 --> 56:57.630]  [SPEAKER_05]: You know, there hasn't been enough questioning of it.
[56:57.750 --> 56:58.610]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[56:58.610 --> 57:01.450]  [SPEAKER_05]: Whether it's right or wrong, you have to question these things.
[57:01.590 --> 57:05.030]  [SPEAKER_05]: You can't just broadcast word for word what the administration says.
[57:05.110 --> 57:06.890]  [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, what is the death count in Panama?
[57:07.110 --> 57:07.950]  [SPEAKER_05]: Nobody seems to know.
[57:08.090 --> 57:09.470]  [SPEAKER_05]: Nobody seems to be wanting to find out.
[57:09.610 --> 57:10.130]  [SPEAKER_07]: ...numbers of that.
[57:10.250 --> 57:12.010]  [SPEAKER_07]: The left official ones have been the lowest.
[57:12.050 --> 57:14.250]  [SPEAKER_07]: I can't imagine that the death that they sent...
[57:14.250 --> 57:16.570]  [SPEAKER_07]: They got 25,000 guys running around there with guns.
[57:16.790 --> 57:17.550]  [SPEAKER_07]: Can you believe that?
[57:17.650 --> 57:22.010]  [SPEAKER_07]: I can't believe it, that they got 25,000 guys running around down there with guns and they killed 200 people?
[57:22.330 --> 57:23.110]  [SPEAKER_07]: Come on.
[57:23.530 --> 57:23.890]  [SPEAKER_07]: Come on.
[57:23.950 --> 57:24.530]  [SPEAKER_07]: I want to know...
[57:24.530 --> 57:25.170]  [SPEAKER_07]: You know what I want to know?
[57:25.210 --> 57:27.270]  [SPEAKER_07]: I want to know how much ordinance was fired down there.
[57:27.270 --> 57:32.170]  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, they must keep track of all that stuff and they've got to know.
[57:32.350 --> 57:34.250]  [SPEAKER_07]: And so, like, you know, let's find out.
[57:34.250 --> 57:35.550]  [SPEAKER_07]: How many bombs did they drop?
[57:35.690 --> 57:43.250]  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, I've heard everything from that, well, it was surgical bombing and just a few houses to complete neighborhoods being devastated.
[57:43.570 --> 57:45.650]  [SPEAKER_07]: And in an area where there's...
[57:46.110 --> 57:48.950]  [SPEAKER_07]: WBAI reported that there's 30,000 people in the neighborhood.
[57:49.230 --> 57:53.310]  [SPEAKER_07]: 30,000 people were displaced, you know, through the bombing.
[57:53.310 --> 57:55.330]  [SPEAKER_07]: Now, that means that they bombed a heck of a lot of stuff.
[57:55.730 --> 57:56.590]  [SPEAKER_07]: Now, you know, to go from the...
[57:56.590 --> 57:58.530]  [SPEAKER_07]: The Pentagon says 200 people.
[58:01.530 --> 58:01.930]  [SPEAKER_07]: The...
[58:01.930 --> 58:02.490]  [SPEAKER_07]: Before...
[58:02.490 --> 58:04.630]  [SPEAKER_07]: Previous to that, there were numbers that...
[58:04.630 --> 58:06.010]  [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, well, who is this?
[58:06.090 --> 58:08.250]  [SPEAKER_07]: Ramsey Clark says it was like 1,200 people.
[58:10.450 --> 58:15.930]  [SPEAKER_07]: Radio Havana has pretty much stuck with 700 as their casualty number.
[58:15.930 --> 58:23.930]  [SPEAKER_07]: However, I had heard from the report from the UN right after the invasion happened that there was over 1,000 casualties.
[58:24.250 --> 58:26.050]  [SPEAKER_07]: So, you know, who do you believe?
[58:26.170 --> 58:26.970]  [SPEAKER_07]: How do you know?
[58:27.130 --> 58:27.730]  [SPEAKER_07]: Who the...
[58:27.730 --> 58:28.390]  [SPEAKER_07]: What the...
[58:28.390 --> 58:28.650]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[58:28.870 --> 58:29.810]  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, so...
[58:29.810 --> 58:30.150]  [SPEAKER_07]: Anyway.
[58:30.490 --> 58:33.370]  [SPEAKER_05]: It's up to us to make sure that something like that gets reported.
[58:33.550 --> 58:34.730]  [SPEAKER_07]: 3-400, call it.
[58:34.950 --> 58:35.450]  [SPEAKER_07]: Use it.
[58:35.650 --> 58:35.930]  [SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
[58:35.930 --> 58:36.590]  [SPEAKER_07]: Use it or lose it.
[58:36.930 --> 58:37.910]  [SPEAKER_05]: All right, thanks for calling.
[58:38.330 --> 58:38.630]  [SPEAKER_05]: Good night.
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[58:49.010 --> 58:54.130]  [SPEAKER_05]: But we really do need to see those lines on the pledge line start lighting up.
[58:54.570 --> 58:59.710]  [SPEAKER_05]: I know it's 3 o'clock in the morning, 310 in the morning, but there's a couple of night owls out there.
[58:59.910 --> 59:07.450]  [SPEAKER_05]: You know, whether you're at work or just, you know, wandering around somewhere with a Walkman, you can make a difference.
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[59:29.530 --> 59:31.310]  [SPEAKER_05]: And let's take some more calls.
[59:33.050 --> 59:33.790]  [SPEAKER_05]: Good morning.
[59:36.190 --> 59:49.070]  [SPEAKER_06]: You had mentioned when you talked to a previous caller about you had a conversation or you overheard something about, when you're at a TV station, about the comments of a guy who's talking about the Berlin Wall.
[59:49.290 --> 59:51.170]  [SPEAKER_06]: And you said that was somehow scandalous.
[59:51.290 --> 59:53.870]  [SPEAKER_06]: And I was just wondering if you could comment about that.
[59:54.110 --> 59:55.210]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, okay.
[59:55.330 --> 01:00:00.410]  [SPEAKER_05]: I don't want to say who or anything like that because I really don't have time to spend in court defending myself.
[01:00:00.410 --> 01:00:05.230]  [SPEAKER_05]: But I will say that the guy was there saying he didn't really want to be there.
[01:00:05.290 --> 01:00:06.350]  [SPEAKER_05]: He wanted to be home sleeping.
[01:00:06.590 --> 01:00:08.450]  [SPEAKER_05]: And this whole thing was a bunch of...
[01:00:08.450 --> 01:00:10.030]  [SPEAKER_05]: and then a word I can't say.
[01:00:11.130 --> 01:00:13.050]  [SPEAKER_05]: You know, it's the kind of thing you would...
[01:00:13.050 --> 01:00:14.790]  [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, the guys are human too.
[01:00:14.930 --> 01:00:19.650]  [SPEAKER_05]: But at the same time, you could sort of see how the story really didn't mean that much to them.
[01:00:20.650 --> 01:00:21.050]  [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
[01:00:21.110 --> 01:00:21.830]  [SPEAKER_06]: It was more the ratings.
[01:00:22.070 --> 01:00:30.230]  [SPEAKER_06]: The reason I asked is that I heard that during all this time that people stopped watching TV, that good news was not something that people wanted to listen.
[01:00:30.330 --> 01:00:33.430]  [SPEAKER_06]: And I was really kind of, you know, shocked and hurt by that.
[01:00:33.550 --> 01:00:40.530]  [SPEAKER_06]: I just thought that, you know, what's been happening in Europe, Eastern Europe, has been the biggest news in the past 20 years, at least the most optimistic news in the past 20 years.
[01:00:40.650 --> 01:00:42.150]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I know a lot of people watched it.
[01:00:42.190 --> 01:00:43.550]  [SPEAKER_05]: Everybody I know was watching it.
[01:00:43.690 --> 01:00:46.490]  [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know what the vast majority of Americans were doing.
[01:00:46.510 --> 01:00:50.830]  [SPEAKER_05]: But the fact of the matter is a significant amount of people did watch it.
[01:00:59.210 --> 01:01:02.390]  [SPEAKER_05]: as quality, you know, and I don't think we really should be judging quality at all.
[01:01:02.490 --> 01:01:08.150]  [SPEAKER_05]: We should just be providing it, providing alternatives, so that if somebody wants to see something, they can.
[01:01:08.550 --> 01:01:10.710]  [SPEAKER_05]: And if somebody wants to see something else, they can see that.
[01:01:11.010 --> 01:01:11.370]  [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[01:01:11.670 --> 01:01:12.330]  [SPEAKER_06]: I don't...
[01:01:13.110 --> 01:01:30.890]  [SPEAKER_06]: I don't manage to listen to WBAI all the time, but I know a few people at the station, and they said that there are actually some WBAI people who are actually shocked and actually hurt by what happened in Eastern Europe, but somehow it, you know, disappointed their visions of,
[01:01:31.010 --> 01:01:33.730]  [SPEAKER_06]: you know, of what Marxist rule would be like.
[01:01:33.890 --> 01:01:41.270]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, it is shaking up quite a few people, but I don't think anybody can really feel sad seeing all this jubilation in the streets.
[01:01:41.390 --> 01:01:45.210]  [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I find that hard to conceive how somebody could find that a bad thing.
[01:01:45.590 --> 01:01:49.930]  [SPEAKER_05]: You know, it's people power, and people power is always such a positive thing.
[01:01:50.170 --> 01:01:50.970]  [SPEAKER_05]: Now, it's...
[01:01:50.970 --> 01:01:52.110]  [SPEAKER_05]: You've got to watch it, though.
[01:01:52.170 --> 01:02:00.630]  [SPEAKER_05]: You've got to be careful of it turning into something ugly, like it looks like it might be doing in Bulgaria with, you know, the Turks and, you know, the prejudice against them.
[01:02:02.150 --> 01:02:15.470]  [SPEAKER_05]: But as long as it's for something basic, like just having the right to decide their destiny and overthrowing dictators and oppressive systems, you know, no matter what it is, no matter if it's, you know, if it's rightist, leftist, it's a common denominator there.
[01:02:15.630 --> 01:02:18.950]  [SPEAKER_05]: And that's something we all as humans have to celebrate.
[01:02:19.710 --> 01:02:20.210]  [SPEAKER_05]: You know?
[01:02:20.290 --> 01:02:28.710]  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, I just hope that that, you know, eventually you'll get people who have been in Eastern Europe recently could, you know, get them on B.A.
[01:02:28.730 --> 01:02:30.810]  [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, people who know how to, you know, how to speak English.
[01:02:31.350 --> 01:02:41.910]  [SPEAKER_06]: Because I think it'd be incredible to learn how people who've been impressed for so long and with so little resources manage to get something together so quickly and so vibrantly.
[01:02:41.910 --> 01:02:44.830]  [SPEAKER_06]: I think it's something that we could all learn.
[01:02:44.830 --> 01:02:45.730]  [SPEAKER_05]: It wasn't...
[01:02:45.730 --> 01:02:46.470]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I can tell you this.
[01:02:46.550 --> 01:02:47.230]  [SPEAKER_05]: It was not planned.
[01:02:47.270 --> 01:02:51.970]  [SPEAKER_05]: And we have had people on the air, I believe, on Worldview and other programs as well.
[01:02:52.250 --> 01:02:54.910]  [SPEAKER_05]: But this is something that just happened.
[01:02:55.030 --> 01:03:00.690]  [SPEAKER_05]: It started slowly and then suddenly people realized that they could make a difference.
[01:03:01.030 --> 01:03:06.990]  [SPEAKER_05]: You know, I don't want to, you know, diminish that by paralleling it to what we're trying to do here by raising money.
[01:03:07.030 --> 01:03:17.590]  [SPEAKER_05]: But it is kind of like that in that when you start, you know, you suddenly realize, hey, I'm a part of the process and I'm going to get out there and say my piece and become a part of this.
[01:03:17.650 --> 01:03:19.750]  [SPEAKER_05]: And that's what happened in country after country.
[01:03:19.970 --> 01:03:20.910]  [SPEAKER_05]: It was contagious.
[01:03:22.070 --> 01:03:24.090]  [SPEAKER_05]: And as you can see, it made a big difference.
[01:03:24.950 --> 01:03:25.310]  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[01:03:25.510 --> 01:03:26.930]  [SPEAKER_06]: I think it's just tremendous.
[01:03:27.210 --> 01:03:34.510]  [SPEAKER_06]: And I don't know where it started, whether it was in the Philippines or, you know, in the United States with the Civil Rights Movement or whatever.
[01:03:34.510 --> 01:03:40.870]  [SPEAKER_06]: But I just, I'm trying to imagine, you know, what's this going to be like when this spreads to Western Europe and the United States?
[01:03:40.870 --> 01:03:49.270]  [SPEAKER_06]: It's this incredible feeling because I remember, I think basically a lot of the 60s protests started because of what happened in Paris in 68.
[01:03:50.290 --> 01:03:52.850]  [SPEAKER_06]: And this to me is just so much greater.
[01:03:53.530 --> 01:04:00.190]  [SPEAKER_06]: And I'm just trying to imagine how, you know, this basically, the entire debate has changed.
[01:04:00.410 --> 01:04:04.690]  [SPEAKER_06]: It's no longer authoritarian communists versus authoritarian anti-communists.
[01:04:04.690 --> 01:04:09.630]  [SPEAKER_06]: that, you know, basically both of these, you know, communists and anti-communists have lost their credibility.
[01:04:10.190 --> 01:04:12.830]  [SPEAKER_06]: And it clears the way for just a whole new level of debate.
[01:04:14.030 --> 01:04:24.410]  [SPEAKER_06]: And it'll just be interesting to see the, you know, the new visions that come out, you know, now that a lot of these old arguments are just, you know, finally cleared out.
[01:04:24.410 --> 01:04:29.030]  [SPEAKER_05]: And I think it's important that we learn from this as well.
[01:04:29.170 --> 01:04:34.130]  [SPEAKER_05]: We, you know, we not look upon it as, oh, the West values have triumphed over the Eastern values.
[01:04:34.190 --> 01:04:34.970]  [SPEAKER_05]: That's not it at all.
[01:04:35.090 --> 01:04:43.010]  [SPEAKER_05]: It's the basic human desire to control one's own life and to, you know, to be free to say what one wants.
[01:04:43.270 --> 01:04:44.450]  [SPEAKER_05]: That has triumphed.
[01:04:44.530 --> 01:04:53.130]  [SPEAKER_05]: And that's what we have to remember on our end here and perhaps share that spirit a bit because they really have the spirit over there now.
[01:04:53.270 --> 01:05:08.950]  [SPEAKER_05]: And, you know, by being able to watch what's going on in other parts of the world at, you know, a very few minutes delay over television to be able to see the revolution in the Philippines, to be able to see it in Romania, it's something that we can learn from.
[01:05:09.150 --> 01:05:15.470]  [SPEAKER_05]: And that's why I think it's so important that we watch these things on TV and not worry about the soap operas being canceled.
[01:05:17.890 --> 01:05:19.410]  [SPEAKER_05]: You know, it's all a learning process.
[01:05:19.410 --> 01:05:21.330]  [SPEAKER_05]: It's all education.
[01:05:21.930 --> 01:05:23.610]  [SPEAKER_05]: And it's up to us how much we get out of it.
[01:05:23.610 --> 01:05:23.930]  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[01:05:24.130 --> 01:05:40.370]  [SPEAKER_06]: I think it would be also interesting that to have some type of news program on WBAI in which, you know, all of these things from foreign sources, we could hear excerpts and, you know, like a sort of a digest of what, you know, all the foreign press as well as the foreign alternative press is,
[01:05:40.370 --> 01:05:41.290]  [SPEAKER_06]: you know, is saying.
[01:05:42.190 --> 01:05:50.210]  [SPEAKER_06]: And, I mean, I know WBAI does this by getting Reuters dispatches and having a few correspondents here and there, but, you know, that kind of thing.
[01:05:50.210 --> 01:06:01.030]  [SPEAKER_06]: And I've always sort of wondered, too, what would WBAI be like if, let's say, if they had, you know, a cable station, you know, what kind of visual things there would be as well.
[01:06:01.970 --> 01:06:02.370]  [SPEAKER_06]: And...
[01:06:02.370 --> 01:06:04.050]  [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, that would be interesting, yes.
[01:06:04.370 --> 01:06:11.070]  [SPEAKER_06]: Because the technology has now arrived that we can have thousands of radio stations and hundreds of TV stations.
[01:06:13.310 --> 01:06:24.050]  [SPEAKER_06]: So, you know, I mean, like, we could, let's say, have every single political point of view could, or point of artistic development could have their own stations or whatever.
[01:06:24.810 --> 01:06:27.950]  [SPEAKER_06]: And just to see how that could develop, I think, would be fascinating.
[01:06:28.250 --> 01:06:30.890]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, you know, the technology is there, as you said.
[01:06:30.890 --> 01:06:35.070]  [SPEAKER_05]: It's up to us to, you know, defy the odds and use it.
[01:06:35.290 --> 01:06:41.970]  [SPEAKER_05]: Use it for ourselves and stop worrying about the fact that, oh, this costs so much money, we can't possibly do it.
[01:06:42.170 --> 01:06:42.830]  [SPEAKER_05]: Do it anyway.
[01:06:42.990 --> 01:06:44.270]  [SPEAKER_05]: There are ways, you know.
[01:06:44.350 --> 01:06:44.990]  [SPEAKER_05]: I'm a hacker.
[01:06:45.310 --> 01:06:50.650]  [SPEAKER_05]: I'm able to go out there and play with things that I'm not supposed to play with because I have the desire to do it.
[01:06:50.790 --> 01:06:51.710]  [SPEAKER_05]: I find a way.
[01:06:51.990 --> 01:06:54.110]  [SPEAKER_05]: And I'm not saying people should go out and steal things.
[01:06:54.250 --> 01:06:55.330]  [SPEAKER_05]: That's obviously wrong.
[01:06:55.350 --> 01:06:59.190]  [SPEAKER_05]: I'm saying, find a way to get in a situation where you can learn something.
[01:07:00.290 --> 01:07:01.850]  [SPEAKER_05]: And, you know, learn.
[01:07:02.070 --> 01:07:03.490]  [SPEAKER_05]: That's really what we're here for.
[01:07:03.970 --> 01:07:05.410]  [SPEAKER_05]: Learn and share that knowledge.
[01:07:05.570 --> 01:07:06.650]  [SPEAKER_05]: Thanks very much for calling, sir.
[01:07:06.870 --> 01:07:07.290]  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay, thank you.
[01:07:07.430 --> 01:07:07.690]  [SPEAKER_05]: All right.
[01:07:08.710 --> 01:07:11.110]  [SPEAKER_05]: We'd like to get a couple of more calls pledge-wise.
[01:07:11.430 --> 01:07:16.610]  [SPEAKER_05]: Pledge-wise, yes, we're running out of time because the morning people are here and they will be coming on very soon.
[01:07:18.190 --> 01:07:20.170]  [SPEAKER_05]: But I sure would...
[01:07:20.170 --> 01:07:35.970]  [SPEAKER_05]: I'd leave the station with a light hark, maybe a light head as well, if I saw 279-3400 suddenly light up with a cheery voice on the other end saying, yes, WBAI means something to me.
[01:07:36.150 --> 01:07:45.370]  [SPEAKER_05]: It means enough that I'll give you a few pennies a day for the next year and support this radio station and keep it going and build upon it.
[01:07:45.370 --> 01:07:48.310]  [SPEAKER_05]: Because it's not just the status quo, folks.
[01:07:48.410 --> 01:07:52.370]  [SPEAKER_05]: We don't want to just stay the same and do the same things over and over again.
[01:07:52.370 --> 01:07:53.230]  [SPEAKER_05]: We want to change.
[01:07:53.690 --> 01:07:57.250]  [SPEAKER_05]: We want to do our own Eastern Europe number here in New York.
[01:07:57.850 --> 01:08:04.570]  [SPEAKER_05]: You know, we want to learn and build and share the knowledge and keep amazing things coming your way.
[01:08:05.230 --> 01:08:06.410]  [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, I've said my piece.
[01:08:06.530 --> 01:08:08.130]  [SPEAKER_05]: 212-279-3400.
[01:08:08.430 --> 01:08:11.990]  [SPEAKER_05]: Let's see some action over there on those lines because the Tali people are...
[01:08:11.990 --> 01:08:16.170]  [SPEAKER_05]: I've heard rumors they're falling asleep and, you know, let's wake them up with some bells.
[01:08:16.310 --> 01:08:18.030]  [SPEAKER_05]: 212-279-3400.
[01:08:19.010 --> 01:08:19.650]  [SPEAKER_05]: Good morning.
[01:08:20.890 --> 01:08:21.250]  [SPEAKER_01]: Hello?
[01:08:21.530 --> 01:08:21.870]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
[01:08:22.110 --> 01:08:22.870]  [SPEAKER_01]: Am I on delay?
[01:08:23.610 --> 01:08:25.430]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, you're on the air, yes, and you are on delay.
[01:08:25.490 --> 01:08:25.950]  [SPEAKER_01]: Am I on delay?
[01:08:26.430 --> 01:08:27.610]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I think you're on delay.
[01:08:27.870 --> 01:08:28.150]  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[01:08:28.410 --> 01:08:28.550]  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[01:08:28.770 --> 01:08:29.390]  [SPEAKER_01]: How are you doing, man?
[01:08:29.570 --> 01:08:34.990]  [SPEAKER_01]: This is Commandante Cornflake as opposed to Captain Crunch.
[01:08:35.010 --> 01:08:35.530]  [SPEAKER_01]: How are you doing?
[01:08:35.650 --> 01:08:36.470]  [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, that's good enough.
[01:08:36.770 --> 01:08:38.050]  [SPEAKER_01]: Very important information.
[01:08:38.050 --> 01:08:39.630]  [SPEAKER_01]: I'll just give six digits.
[01:08:39.870 --> 01:08:42.610]  [SPEAKER_01]: 2-1-2-5-2-5-2-5 is everything.
[01:08:42.970 --> 01:08:43.210]  [SPEAKER_01]: Period.
[01:08:43.730 --> 01:08:44.850]  [SPEAKER_05]: You mean every...
[01:08:44.850 --> 01:08:45.410]  [SPEAKER_05]: Everything.
[01:08:45.570 --> 01:08:46.110]  [SPEAKER_05]: Every number.
[01:08:46.350 --> 01:08:46.710]  [SPEAKER_01]: 9-9-0.
[01:08:47.650 --> 01:08:48.910]  [SPEAKER_01]: Reach the British Museum.
[01:08:48.970 --> 01:08:51.850]  [SPEAKER_01]: Had a nice chat with a gentleman there, security guard.
[01:08:53.150 --> 01:08:53.850]  [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, wait a minute.
[01:08:53.930 --> 01:08:54.030]  [SPEAKER_05]: Wait.
[01:08:54.090 --> 01:08:56.890]  [SPEAKER_05]: What you're saying is 2-1-2-5-2-5 exchange.
[01:08:56.890 --> 01:08:58.050]  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, for God's sake.
[01:08:58.770 --> 01:08:59.270]  [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[01:08:59.270 --> 01:09:00.750]  [SPEAKER_01]: I'll take care of my row in a second.
[01:09:00.890 --> 01:09:02.570]  [SPEAKER_01]: I already thought of a solution, but hang on.
[01:09:03.350 --> 01:09:05.770]  [SPEAKER_01]: 5-2-5 in the 2-1-2 is a T3.
[01:09:07.110 --> 01:09:09.290]  [SPEAKER_01]: You have to essentially...
[01:09:09.950 --> 01:09:11.310]  [SPEAKER_01]: This is the basic concept.
[01:09:11.530 --> 01:09:18.810]  [SPEAKER_01]: You do 2-1-2-5-2-5-9-dash-dash, including 4-1-1-2-1-1-9-1-1.
[01:09:20.110 --> 01:09:21.290]  [SPEAKER_01]: Now, are you with me?
[01:09:21.410 --> 01:09:22.090]  [SPEAKER_05]: I'm with you.
[01:09:22.210 --> 01:09:24.110]  [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know about the rest of the audience, but I'm certainly with you.
[01:09:24.230 --> 01:09:24.570]  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[01:09:24.570 --> 01:09:28.210]  [SPEAKER_01]: I just discovered this last week, and I went berserk.
[01:09:29.650 --> 01:09:36.050]  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not particularly into porn, but a friend of mine likes it, and we just dropped a quarter, and it's a $35 charge.
[01:09:36.190 --> 01:09:36.770]  [SPEAKER_01]: Do you believe that?
[01:09:36.930 --> 01:09:37.350]  [SPEAKER_05]: Whoa, whoa.
[01:09:37.450 --> 01:09:37.790]  [SPEAKER_05]: Wait a minute.
[01:09:37.870 --> 01:09:38.170]  [SPEAKER_05]: Wait a minute.
[01:09:38.250 --> 01:09:39.330]  [SPEAKER_05]: Are you telling me...
[01:09:39.330 --> 01:09:40.070]  [SPEAKER_05]: Are you telling me...
[01:09:40.070 --> 01:09:40.430]  [SPEAKER_05]: On you.
[01:09:40.650 --> 01:09:40.990]  [SPEAKER_05]: Hold on.
[01:09:41.070 --> 01:09:41.290]  [SPEAKER_05]: Hold on.
[01:09:41.350 --> 01:09:41.610]  [SPEAKER_05]: Hold on.
[01:09:41.650 --> 01:09:41.930]  [SPEAKER_05]: Hold on.
[01:09:41.990 --> 01:09:42.270]  [SPEAKER_05]: Hold on.
[01:09:42.270 --> 01:09:46.650]  [SPEAKER_05]: Are you telling me that you found the back door into those pornographic services?
[01:09:47.010 --> 01:09:54.050]  [SPEAKER_01]: Anything that's on them, or 970 or 976, which is not expensive anyway, but if you like it, you like it.
[01:09:54.050 --> 01:09:55.610]  [SPEAKER_05]: So you could actually...
[01:09:55.610 --> 01:09:59.370]  [SPEAKER_01]: Anything, practically, including domestic or international.
[01:10:00.090 --> 01:10:08.370]  [SPEAKER_05]: Now that you've broadcast this secret over a 50,000-watt radio station smack in the middle of New York City, I don't think it's going to last much longer.
[01:10:08.410 --> 01:10:09.470]  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't get a thrill out of doing it.
[01:10:09.610 --> 01:10:12.550]  [SPEAKER_01]: Once I crack the code, I'm a programmer and a hacker.
[01:10:12.770 --> 01:10:13.570]  [SPEAKER_01]: I've cracked it.
[01:10:13.770 --> 01:10:14.990]  [SPEAKER_01]: I hate AT&T.
[01:10:15.070 --> 01:10:16.030]  [SPEAKER_01]: I can't watch...
[01:10:16.030 --> 01:10:17.310]  [SPEAKER_01]: You talk about thievery?
[01:10:17.770 --> 01:10:18.870]  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's thievery.
[01:10:18.870 --> 01:10:23.550]  [SPEAKER_01]: It started with the great communicator, and a vestiture was the greatest theft of all.
[01:10:23.810 --> 01:10:32.730]  [SPEAKER_01]: You are now paying 40% more in real dollars after inflation, and the price of a call has come down 40% for two reasons.
[01:10:33.230 --> 01:10:36.990]  [SPEAKER_01]: A, the increase in touchstone dialing.
[01:10:37.490 --> 01:10:39.790]  [SPEAKER_01]: You can switch 11 times faster.
[01:10:40.550 --> 01:10:43.070]  [SPEAKER_01]: And two, the amortization on the switches.
[01:10:43.350 --> 01:10:44.290]  [SPEAKER_01]: Not on the lines.
[01:10:44.490 --> 01:10:46.510]  [SPEAKER_01]: Listen, we're going into the year 2000, right?
[01:10:46.510 --> 01:10:46.970]  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[01:10:47.790 --> 01:10:48.590]  [SPEAKER_01]: They gave...
[01:10:48.590 --> 01:10:54.890]  [SPEAKER_01]: The state legislature gave them increased amortization to get rid of the old crossbar stuff and put it in digital, right?
[01:10:55.090 --> 01:10:55.310]  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[01:10:55.630 --> 01:10:58.890]  [SPEAKER_01]: They didn't put it on just the wire from your house to there.
[01:10:59.330 --> 01:11:00.650]  [SPEAKER_01]: They just forgot about that.
[01:11:01.570 --> 01:11:02.030]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, now they're...
[01:11:02.030 --> 01:11:02.790]  [SPEAKER_01]: The thing is ludicrous.
[01:11:02.810 --> 01:11:05.070]  [SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, the whole space program is ludicrous.
[01:11:05.170 --> 01:11:08.130]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, again, they'll mix up AT&T with New York Telephone, because...
[01:11:08.130 --> 01:11:08.450]  [SPEAKER_05]: No, no, no.
[01:11:08.510 --> 01:11:10.550]  [SPEAKER_01]: The whole shebang is ludicrous.
[01:11:10.730 --> 01:11:11.930]  [SPEAKER_01]: New York Tele is...
[01:11:11.930 --> 01:11:13.750]  [SPEAKER_01]: I had a discussion once with Austin.
[01:11:13.990 --> 01:11:15.090]  [SPEAKER_01]: Discussion, not the word.
[01:11:15.290 --> 01:11:16.290]  [SPEAKER_01]: I actually got through to him.
[01:11:16.290 --> 01:11:19.450]  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Austin is the CEO for New York Tele.
[01:11:19.730 --> 01:11:19.990]  [SPEAKER_05]: Uh-huh.
[01:11:20.250 --> 01:11:22.770]  [SPEAKER_01]: I'd be happy to give you his home address to us or the other song.
[01:11:23.170 --> 01:11:24.730]  [SPEAKER_05]: Don't do that over there, but...
[01:11:24.730 --> 01:11:25.130]  [SPEAKER_01]: But, no, no.
[01:11:25.170 --> 01:11:30.170]  [SPEAKER_01]: The point was, I said, why don't you just change the logo from the bell symbol to the Jolly Roger.
[01:11:31.090 --> 01:11:31.790]  [SPEAKER_01]: They're ripping you off.
[01:11:31.790 --> 01:11:32.490]  [SPEAKER_01]: I can prove it.
[01:11:32.650 --> 01:11:34.070]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, we can all prove it.
[01:11:34.150 --> 01:11:34.530]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, sir.
[01:11:34.630 --> 01:11:36.150]  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, in any technical way.
[01:11:36.290 --> 01:11:38.610]  [SPEAKER_01]: You can just prove it to yourself as an ordinary citizen.
[01:11:39.210 --> 01:11:42.030]  [SPEAKER_01]: When you call for credit, just think about it for one second.
[01:11:42.270 --> 01:11:42.390]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[01:11:42.670 --> 01:11:44.830]  [SPEAKER_01]: Suppose you call the same number twice.
[01:11:45.410 --> 01:11:47.510]  [SPEAKER_01]: You call one at 7 a.m., right?
[01:11:47.670 --> 01:11:47.830]  [SPEAKER_13]: Right.
[01:11:48.010 --> 01:11:49.430]  [SPEAKER_01]: And one at 10 a.m.
[01:11:49.490 --> 01:11:49.650]  [SPEAKER_13]: Right.
[01:11:49.890 --> 01:11:50.590]  [SPEAKER_01]: The 10 a.m.
[01:11:50.750 --> 01:11:51.230]  [SPEAKER_01]: is a bummer.
[01:11:51.550 --> 01:11:53.030]  [SPEAKER_01]: Legitimately, and you call for credit.
[01:11:53.610 --> 01:11:57.470]  [SPEAKER_01]: The system's going to pick up the earlier one and they're going to give you the four cents, not the 10.
[01:11:57.690 --> 01:11:58.590]  [SPEAKER_01]: It's on tape.
[01:11:59.210 --> 01:12:01.870]  [SPEAKER_01]: The system is called the LUD, Local Usage Directory.
[01:12:02.010 --> 01:12:03.330]  [SPEAKER_01]: That's in their internal name for it.
[01:12:03.410 --> 01:12:04.390]  [SPEAKER_01]: And it rips people off.
[01:12:05.330 --> 01:12:05.530]  [SPEAKER_01]: Sir?
[01:12:05.530 --> 01:12:06.790]  [SPEAKER_01]: So the theory's on their end.
[01:12:06.890 --> 01:12:07.070]  [SPEAKER_03]: Sir?
[01:12:07.070 --> 01:12:09.210]  [SPEAKER_01]: Two, they are illegally...
[01:12:09.210 --> 01:12:11.670]  [SPEAKER_01]: This is a matter of not money, life and death.
[01:12:12.250 --> 01:12:13.550]  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know whether you know it or not.
[01:12:13.670 --> 01:12:15.890]  [SPEAKER_01]: If I say queuing theory, does that have meaning to you?
[01:12:16.190 --> 01:12:17.930]  [SPEAKER_05]: A bit, but sir, let me just say one thing, okay?
[01:12:18.310 --> 01:12:18.530]  [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[01:12:19.670 --> 01:12:20.550]  [SPEAKER_05]: Write this down.
[01:12:20.750 --> 01:12:23.910]  [SPEAKER_05]: Next Thursday, 11.45 to 1 o'clock.
[01:12:24.170 --> 01:12:24.670]  [SPEAKER_05]: Wait, wait.
[01:12:25.870 --> 01:12:26.510]  [SPEAKER_01]: Wait, wait.
[01:12:26.710 --> 01:12:30.110]  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm using a solid state device called graphite and paper.
[01:12:30.330 --> 01:12:32.490]  [SPEAKER_01]: And as for computers, that's the biggest type of all.
[01:12:32.690 --> 01:12:35.070]  [SPEAKER_05]: All right, next Thursday, 11.45 to 1.
[01:12:35.470 --> 01:12:38.110]  [SPEAKER_05]: 11.45 at night until 1 in the morning.
[01:12:38.270 --> 01:12:38.690]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, what is that?
[01:12:38.710 --> 01:12:42.270]  [SPEAKER_05]: We'll be, I'll be doing a radio program, the Fifth Corner, and we'll be...
[01:12:42.270 --> 01:12:42.930]  [SPEAKER_01]: You can call me off air.
[01:12:43.370 --> 01:12:45.670]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, we'll be talking about this kind of thing.
[01:12:45.850 --> 01:12:46.410]  [SPEAKER_05]: This is it.
[01:12:46.530 --> 01:12:47.610]  [SPEAKER_01]: This is the Patrick Key, buddy.
[01:12:47.950 --> 01:12:54.710]  [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, well, that's, I just want to stress that point that we want to get people calling in about that kind of thing.
[01:12:54.790 --> 01:12:56.050]  [SPEAKER_05]: But we're out of time now, unfortunately.
[01:12:56.090 --> 01:13:00.950]  [SPEAKER_05]: I hate to cut people off, but I'm afraid I have to do it at this particular time because the morning due people are here.
[01:13:01.290 --> 01:13:07.910]  [SPEAKER_05]: But I will be back next Thursday night at 11.45 into Friday morning at 1 a.m.
[01:13:08.350 --> 01:13:12.830]  [SPEAKER_05]: And who knows when you'll hear my jolly voice again as I fill in for many people.
[01:13:14.310 --> 01:13:16.010]  [SPEAKER_05]: Again, thanks to the people that called in.
[01:13:22.630 --> 01:13:27.110]  [SPEAKER_05]: And once again, that number is 212-279-3400.
[01:13:27.110 --> 01:13:33.290]  [SPEAKER_05]: Please show your support and pledge something to this radio station and keep listening.
[01:13:33.590 --> 01:13:35.550]  [SPEAKER_05]: Keep listening to all the great things that will be coming your way.
[01:13:37.250 --> 01:13:44.630]  [SPEAKER_05]: And I like to give a medal to anybody that remembers this and that can tell me what it is.
[01:13:44.710 --> 01:13:46.270]  [SPEAKER_05]: But of course, you can't tell me because I'm leaving.
[01:13:46.930 --> 01:13:53.610]  [SPEAKER_05]: So I'll tell you, Lothar and the hand people, space him, this will wake you up.
[01:13:56.920 --> 01:13:58.100]  [SPEAKER_05]: Good night.