Off The Hook - 2009-05-27

[00:00.000 --> 00:01.520]  [SPEAKER_00]: Our Washington, D.C.
[00:01.660 --> 00:03.080]  [SPEAKER_00]: editor is Leanne Caldwell.
[00:03.260 --> 00:06.120]  [SPEAKER_00]: Our headlines editors are Nell Abram and Jess Burns.
[00:06.380 --> 00:11.560]  [SPEAKER_00]: Our tech team at KPFA in Berkeley today includes Rose Katopchi and Oscar Hernandez.
[00:11.980 --> 00:16.000]  [SPEAKER_00]: From Pacifica Station, KPFK in Los Angeles, I'm Aura Bogado.
[00:30.640 --> 00:32.060]  [SPEAKER_08]: And it's just about 7 o'clock.
[00:32.120 --> 00:34.420]  [SPEAKER_08]: You're listening to radio station WBAI in New York.
[00:34.940 --> 00:35.900]  [SPEAKER_08]: Time for Off The Hook.
[00:45.220 --> 00:47.040]  [SPEAKER_07]: I cut myself while shaving.
[00:47.600 --> 00:49.520]  [SPEAKER_07]: Now I can't make a call.
[00:50.320 --> 00:52.330]  [SPEAKER_07]: We couldn't get much worse.
[00:54.460 --> 00:54.940]  [SPEAKER_07]: We would.
[00:55.200 --> 00:57.820]  [SPEAKER_07]: Bum-dilly-bum for the best, expect the worst.
[00:58.540 --> 01:00.320]  [SPEAKER_07]: I hope that's understood.
[01:00.560 --> 01:01.320]  [SPEAKER_07]: Bum-dilly-bum!
[01:57.740 --> 01:59.020]  [SPEAKER_08]: And a very good evening to everybody.
[01:59.160 --> 02:00.840]  [SPEAKER_08]: The program is Off The Hook.
[02:01.020 --> 02:03.820]  [SPEAKER_08]: Emmanuel Goldstein here with you on this Wednesday evening.
[02:05.100 --> 02:07.880]  [SPEAKER_08]: Joined tonight by the out-of-breath red-hack.
[02:08.080 --> 02:08.360]  [SPEAKER_08]: Hello.
[02:08.760 --> 02:09.700]  [SPEAKER_08]: Just got you off the train, eh?
[02:09.700 --> 02:13.080]  [SPEAKER_10]: Well, uh, the train wasn't running, so I got here on my two legs.
[02:13.380 --> 02:14.420]  [SPEAKER_08]: You ran down the tracks?
[02:14.580 --> 02:16.280]  [SPEAKER_08]: You know, I warned you, that's not safe.
[02:17.180 --> 02:21.880]  [SPEAKER_08]: But getting to the show is a priority, and we recognize that, so, uh, it's worth any price.
[02:22.200 --> 02:22.620]  [SPEAKER_08]: Rob T.
[02:22.720 --> 02:23.240]  [SPEAKER_08]: Firefly, welcome.
[02:23.600 --> 02:24.000]  [SPEAKER_08]: Good evening.
[02:24.160 --> 02:24.380]  [SPEAKER_08]: Jim.
[02:25.080 --> 02:25.480]  [SPEAKER_08]: Hello.
[02:26.140 --> 02:27.320]  [SPEAKER_08]: And, uh, Voltaire?
[02:27.520 --> 02:27.900]  [SPEAKER_08]: Present.
[02:28.140 --> 02:28.320]  [SPEAKER_08]: Mike?
[02:28.600 --> 02:29.140]  [SPEAKER_08]: Thank you.
[02:29.420 --> 02:29.820]  [SPEAKER_08]: Mike?
[02:30.460 --> 02:30.860]  [SPEAKER_08]: Hi.
[02:31.080 --> 02:31.660]  [SPEAKER_08]: And Bernie S.
[02:31.740 --> 02:32.420]  [SPEAKER_08]: down there in Philadelphia.
[02:33.000 --> 02:34.180]  [SPEAKER_13]: Greetings from Philadelphia.
[02:34.640 --> 02:35.940]  [SPEAKER_08]: Gus is in the tally room.
[02:35.980 --> 02:36.400]  [SPEAKER_08]: Hi, Gus.
[02:36.600 --> 02:37.340]  [SPEAKER_08]: All the way down the hallway.
[02:37.560 --> 02:37.860]  [SPEAKER_13]: Hi.
[02:38.640 --> 02:39.540]  [SPEAKER_08]: Who did that?
[02:40.640 --> 02:42.020]  [SPEAKER_08]: All right, we're going to...
[02:42.020 --> 02:42.820]  [SPEAKER_08]: That's actually pretty good.
[02:42.980 --> 02:43.840]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, this is pretty good.
[02:43.980 --> 02:48.840]  [SPEAKER_08]: Uh, we're going to, um, uh, appeal to our listeners, uh, one last time, uh, this is it.
[02:48.960 --> 02:51.660]  [SPEAKER_08]: This is, this is the last night of the fundraiser for Off The Hook.
[02:52.220 --> 02:59.220]  [SPEAKER_08]: And, uh, for those of you who want to pledge and show your support to this, uh, particular radio show on this particular radio station, this is an excellent opportunity to do so.
[02:59.260 --> 03:01.800]  [SPEAKER_08]: And I should point out that, um, we're doing well.
[03:02.340 --> 03:05.280]  [SPEAKER_08]: Overall, the fundraiser has been doing really well.
[03:05.280 --> 03:08.720]  [SPEAKER_08]: It's the first time, I think, in years that we have done this well.
[03:08.940 --> 03:12.620]  [SPEAKER_08]: So, it says a lot about where we're going with the station.
[03:12.860 --> 03:16.100]  [SPEAKER_08]: It says a lot of, uh, how the listeners are, are, are supporting us.
[03:16.520 --> 03:19.440]  [SPEAKER_08]: And, uh, please, uh, help us reach the goal.
[03:19.600 --> 03:23.120]  [SPEAKER_08]: Because, you know, we haven't made the goal the last, uh, last bunch of marathons.
[03:23.120 --> 03:24.960]  [SPEAKER_08]: This time, we're actually going to make the goal.
[03:25.100 --> 03:27.220]  [SPEAKER_08]: Because we're at $707,000 total.
[03:27.280 --> 03:29.140]  [SPEAKER_08]: That's a lot of money, but our goal is $800,000.
[03:29.300 --> 03:30.660]  [SPEAKER_08]: So, we have a few more days to get there.
[03:30.780 --> 03:32.520]  [SPEAKER_10]: And, and it's not like they're arbitrary goals.
[03:32.760 --> 03:34.060]  [SPEAKER_10]: They actually have costs here.
[03:34.180 --> 03:35.160]  [SPEAKER_10]: We have expenses.
[03:35.540 --> 03:36.320]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, we've got to pay rent.
[03:36.380 --> 03:38.460]  [SPEAKER_08]: We've got to pay the transmitter bills and all that kind of thing.
[03:38.720 --> 03:41.720]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, I think usually we do pretty well, uh, compared to the other stations.
[03:41.880 --> 03:46.860]  [SPEAKER_12]: But now that the other, uh, the other shows are doing well, we have to, uh, catch up.
[03:47.020 --> 03:49.180]  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, you know, it sounds, it sounds like a lot of money.
[03:49.180 --> 03:56.280]  [SPEAKER_08]: I work for another community radio station and, uh, basically we try to raise something like $30,000 and, uh, here we're raising $800,000.
[03:56.400 --> 03:58.280]  [SPEAKER_08]: So, it might sound like, oh, you're throwing money away.
[03:58.460 --> 03:59.260]  [SPEAKER_08]: No, it doesn't work that way.
[03:59.300 --> 04:11.800]  [SPEAKER_08]: When you, in New York City and you have, uh, an office building as opposed to a school that you rent, uh, uh, space from and your transmitter is on top of the Empire State Building, believe me, $800,000, uh, does not last very long.
[04:11.920 --> 04:15.920]  [SPEAKER_11]: And the Empire State Building alone is, is a lot of money and there's really no other choice.
[04:15.920 --> 04:17.280]  [SPEAKER_11]: It's the, it's the tallest building.
[04:17.280 --> 04:20.560]  [SPEAKER_11]: If you're, uh, in a different building, then you'll get blocked by it.
[04:20.660 --> 04:21.040]  [SPEAKER_11]: Absolutely.
[04:21.220 --> 04:21.480]  [SPEAKER_08]: Absolutely.
[04:21.720 --> 04:23.020]  [SPEAKER_08]: So, uh, it's essential.
[04:23.180 --> 04:27.380]  [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, you know, we're right here in the middle of the commercial band, you know, 99.5.
[04:27.520 --> 04:27.800]  [SPEAKER_08]: It's great.
[04:28.020 --> 04:31.340]  [SPEAKER_08]: So, 212-209-2950, that's our, our telephone number.
[04:31.520 --> 04:36.020]  [SPEAKER_08]: And we've got some, uh, some really special momentous things to, uh, to give away tonight.
[04:36.180 --> 04:43.760]  [SPEAKER_08]: And the way we do things, um, we basically have a special premium each week and each week it's something completely different.
[04:44.880 --> 04:51.200]  [SPEAKER_08]: And, um, this particular week, we have something we have not offered in a long, long time.
[04:51.420 --> 04:52.100]  [SPEAKER_08]: Years, in fact.
[04:52.340 --> 04:56.100]  [SPEAKER_08]: And it's something that I don't think we're going to be offering again on this particular radio program.
[04:56.140 --> 05:12.580]  [SPEAKER_08]: I just, I don't, I don't know what, maybe years from now, but it's, it's something that because we believe so much in this place, we're willing to basically take everything that, that, uh, that we do at 2600 and donate it to the station so that the station can benefit from,
[05:12.760 --> 05:24.200]  [SPEAKER_08]: uh, from your listener generosity, from our hard work, uh, from basically this, this sense that things are actually changing, that we're, we're on the right track, finally getting things done.
[05:24.580 --> 05:27.920]  [SPEAKER_08]: It's, it's a, it's a, it's a new feeling here at the station I have not seen in a very long time.
[05:28.060 --> 05:38.660]  [SPEAKER_08]: Maybe, maybe not since, um, 2001 when we had that nasty business with, uh, um, people trying to take over the station, you know, coming from different places and I'll go back into the archives.
[05:38.820 --> 05:40.220]  [SPEAKER_08]: You can hear for yourself how that turned out.
[05:40.320 --> 05:51.820]  [SPEAKER_08]: But what I'm, what I'm feeling now is, um, generally a lot more positive, uh, a lot of people sort of gathering together and, uh, joining forces and realizing that, hey, radio, our kind of radio is going to flourish.
[05:51.980 --> 05:52.040]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[05:52.080 --> 05:53.660]  [SPEAKER_08]: Commercial radio, not so much.
[05:53.820 --> 06:01.280]  [SPEAKER_08]: Commercial radio, people don't really need to hear the top 40 songs all that much when they have all kinds of other ways of hearing music, but alternative talk and thoughts.
[06:01.580 --> 06:01.720]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[06:01.800 --> 06:03.720]  [SPEAKER_08]: There's a market for that, especially these days.
[06:03.720 --> 06:05.440]  [SPEAKER_08]: It's 212-209-2950.
[06:05.900 --> 06:07.300]  [SPEAKER_08]: Uh, that's our telephone number.
[06:07.860 --> 06:18.740]  [SPEAKER_11]: I was just going to say, you should take your phone and just start dialing 212-209-2950 so that you will be, uh, ready to, to press the send button, uh, when you hear what the premium is.
[06:18.740 --> 06:18.960]  [SPEAKER_11]: Okay.
[06:19.020 --> 06:20.760]  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, let's, let's get into the premiums right now.
[06:20.900 --> 06:25.940]  [SPEAKER_08]: If premiums are the reason you're calling, and I can understand why they would be, but even if we had no premiums, I hope you would call.
[06:26.120 --> 06:28.080]  [SPEAKER_08]: I hope you would, uh, to keep this place going.
[06:28.080 --> 06:34.480]  [SPEAKER_11]: Well, there's always the premium of the radio station and the show itself, which we don't mention nearly enough because it's really the best part.
[06:34.740 --> 06:38.600]  [SPEAKER_08]: And that, that premium is made possible by people like you who've been calling since 1960.
[06:39.400 --> 06:44.760]  [SPEAKER_08]: Not incessantly, but you know, since 1960, we've been a non-commercial station that has appealed to listeners.
[06:44.880 --> 06:48.940]  [SPEAKER_08]: In fact, we're the first station in the country to ever ask listeners for, for funds.
[06:49.260 --> 06:49.800]  [SPEAKER_08]: How about that?
[06:49.800 --> 06:50.460]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, we started it.
[06:51.040 --> 06:56.820]  [SPEAKER_08]: You might hate us for that, but, uh, yeah, we did start the whole, um, the whole listener supported thing and it works.
[06:57.040 --> 06:57.320]  [SPEAKER_08]: It really does.
[06:57.460 --> 06:57.560]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.
[06:57.900 --> 07:04.180]  [SPEAKER_08]: Uh, for a $50 pledge, we are offering the last five years of what it is that we do.
[07:04.280 --> 07:07.080]  [SPEAKER_08]: We put out 2600 magazine, the hacker quarterly.
[07:07.700 --> 07:17.820]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, it's, it's, you know, ever since, uh, 1984, 2600 has been coming out and, uh, our show started in 1988 when the magazine was, uh, a mere four years old.
[07:17.820 --> 07:20.920]  [SPEAKER_08]: And we've been publishing ever since, since 1984.
[07:21.420 --> 07:29.820]  [SPEAKER_08]: And what we're offering right now, uh, for a pledge of $50 is something that's worth a lot more than that because each of the back issue years goes for $25.
[07:30.280 --> 07:32.000]  [SPEAKER_08]: So what's five times 25?
[07:32.200 --> 07:33.000]  [SPEAKER_08]: Who, who does math here?
[07:33.160 --> 07:33.620]  [SPEAKER_08]: 125.
[07:34.600 --> 07:35.120]  [SPEAKER_08]: $125.
[07:36.460 --> 07:45.960]  [SPEAKER_08]: But those five years of back issues, which is 2008, 2007, 2006, 2005, and 2004, they're yours for a pledge of $50.
[07:45.960 --> 07:48.940]  [SPEAKER_08]: So that's, um, that's a fraction of the cost.
[07:49.040 --> 07:49.560]  [SPEAKER_08]: And it gets better.
[07:49.720 --> 07:51.300]  [SPEAKER_08]: It gets better for a hundred dollar pledge.
[07:51.980 --> 07:52.700]  [SPEAKER_08]: What do you think you get?
[07:52.840 --> 07:54.240]  [SPEAKER_08]: The last 10 years.
[07:54.480 --> 07:56.640]  [SPEAKER_08]: The last 10 years of 2600 magazine.
[07:56.800 --> 07:57.720]  [SPEAKER_08]: That's a lot of reading material.
[07:58.060 --> 07:58.180]  [SPEAKER_08]: That's crazy.
[07:58.380 --> 07:58.540]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[07:59.000 --> 08:00.680]  [SPEAKER_08]: And, uh, that's normally $250.
[08:01.500 --> 08:03.080]  [SPEAKER_08]: We're offering it for a hundred dollars tonight.
[08:03.180 --> 08:22.160]  [SPEAKER_08]: So we're, we're basically donating this and, and, and giving it away at, uh, a much reduced price to hopefully, uh, get people out there to call a last minute blitz, so to say, of, of people calling in and pledging and getting something in addition to the radio station in exchange for that.
[08:22.300 --> 08:24.440]  [SPEAKER_08]: And I, I really hope to see those phone lines light up.
[08:24.600 --> 08:26.000]  [SPEAKER_08]: 212-209-2950.
[08:26.520 --> 08:28.040]  [SPEAKER_08]: You know, no one's calling in so far.
[08:28.100 --> 08:29.380]  [SPEAKER_08]: Now I know people read the magazine.
[08:29.640 --> 08:30.960]  [SPEAKER_08]: I know people listen to the radio show.
[08:31.080 --> 08:32.180]  [SPEAKER_08]: These two things are combining.
[08:32.180 --> 08:33.160]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.
[08:33.240 --> 08:33.940]  [SPEAKER_08]: There's one more level.
[08:34.820 --> 08:35.320]  [SPEAKER_08]: That's right.
[08:35.380 --> 08:35.840]  [SPEAKER_08]: One more level.
[08:36.120 --> 08:43.360]  [SPEAKER_08]: A $200 pledge will get you a 2600 lifetime subscription, which is normally $260.
[08:44.060 --> 08:44.640]  [SPEAKER_08]: That's right.
[08:44.740 --> 08:45.460]  [SPEAKER_08]: Normally $260.
[08:45.920 --> 08:50.520]  [SPEAKER_08]: But in addition to that, we're going to throw in two years of back issues on top of that.
[08:50.700 --> 08:52.620]  [SPEAKER_08]: So add another $50 to that.
[08:52.700 --> 08:55.660]  [SPEAKER_08]: And you have a $310 value that we're offering for $200.
[08:56.000 --> 09:04.340]  [SPEAKER_08]: Now a lifetime subscription, that basically means until either we perish or you perish, you'll be getting 2600 magazine in the mail to whatever address you tell us to send it to.
[09:04.520 --> 09:06.260]  [SPEAKER_08]: 212-209-2950.
[09:06.500 --> 09:12.020]  [SPEAKER_08]: So you have three pledge levels, 50, 100, and 200, all with the 2600 theme.
[09:12.500 --> 09:16.560]  [SPEAKER_08]: Now, I don't know why I expected the phone thing maybe to overload.
[09:16.740 --> 09:19.280]  [SPEAKER_08]: Maybe it has overloaded, which is why it seems like there are no calls coming in.
[09:20.420 --> 09:20.940]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yes, Bernie?
[09:21.460 --> 09:30.140]  [SPEAKER_13]: Perhaps the listeners aren't aware that 2600 magazine is an amazing source of information.
[09:30.140 --> 09:36.140]  [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, each quarterly issue is about, what is it, like 70 pages of really interesting...
[09:36.140 --> 09:39.080]  [SPEAKER_08]: I think it's like 76 or 70, yeah, something like that, 70 plus.
[09:39.580 --> 09:43.140]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, and there's no advertising in this magazine at all.
[09:43.240 --> 09:46.880]  [SPEAKER_13]: Just like WBAI, there is no advertising in 2600.
[09:47.000 --> 09:50.440]  [SPEAKER_13]: It's all pure information and really detailed information, too.
[09:50.440 --> 09:56.700]  [SPEAKER_13]: The kind of stories that we cover on this show, we can't really cover in great detail.
[09:57.340 --> 10:02.920]  [SPEAKER_13]: But in 2600 magazine, articles are written in great technical detail.
[10:03.260 --> 10:11.540]  [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, even lines of source code and interesting phone numbers to call and URLs that we really can't give out over the air because they're too long.
[10:11.660 --> 10:11.760]  [SPEAKER_13]: Whatever.
[10:11.760 --> 10:19.240]  [SPEAKER_13]: There's just really fascinating articles in this, and it's an amazing resource to anybody who likes to listen to this show.
[10:19.420 --> 10:29.020]  [SPEAKER_13]: Because for, as you pointed out, since 1984, we've pretty much been the premier magazine for the hacker community and to the telecom enthusiasts.
[10:29.260 --> 10:30.780]  [SPEAKER_08]: You might be able to actually hear the phones ringing.
[10:30.900 --> 10:32.520]  [SPEAKER_08]: I've decided to turn up the audio.
[10:32.620 --> 10:34.880]  [SPEAKER_08]: I usually don't like this because I think it's a little bit distracting.
[10:35.080 --> 10:35.600]  [SPEAKER_08]: It's very distracting.
[10:35.640 --> 10:36.500]  [SPEAKER_08]: It is a little, isn't it?
[10:36.500 --> 10:41.960]  [SPEAKER_08]: But, for some reason, other hosts don't seem to have as much of a distraction issue that I have.
[10:42.860 --> 10:43.380]  [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know.
[10:43.480 --> 10:44.220]  [SPEAKER_08]: Do you find that annoying?
[10:44.460 --> 10:45.500]  [SPEAKER_05]: I find it more tacky.
[10:45.860 --> 10:46.180]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
[10:47.500 --> 10:48.500]  [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, I have it up too loud?
[10:48.500 --> 10:49.240]  [SPEAKER_08]: Is that what it is?
[10:50.580 --> 10:50.900]  [SPEAKER_08]: What?
[10:51.300 --> 10:52.520]  [SPEAKER_08]: People are making all kinds of gestures.
[10:52.760 --> 10:54.020]  [SPEAKER_08]: Look, I don't know how to work the thing.
[10:54.340 --> 10:56.900]  [SPEAKER_11]: 212-209-2950 is the number.
[10:57.000 --> 10:59.800]  [SPEAKER_11]: If you call it, you can hear yourself make annoying noises.
[10:59.960 --> 11:00.560]  [SPEAKER_08]: All kinds of old-fashioned bells.
[11:00.740 --> 11:06.800]  [SPEAKER_08]: And, you know, the thing is, if you're into old-fashioned bells, and hopefully you're not just calling to make them ring, but that's what we're into, too.
[11:06.880 --> 11:08.080]  [SPEAKER_08]: That's what the magazine is all about.
[11:08.900 --> 11:14.080]  [SPEAKER_08]: We've talked about the phone company since way back in the beginning, when Divestiture was first started.
[11:14.340 --> 11:16.120]  [SPEAKER_08]: But things are changing constantly.
[11:16.340 --> 11:22.180]  [SPEAKER_08]: Things in the computer world, things in the consumer world, things in the telephone world.
[11:22.760 --> 11:24.620]  [SPEAKER_08]: It's a different world than when we started.
[11:24.620 --> 11:30.620]  [SPEAKER_08]: And even the last 10 years, you'll see an incredible difference in what has happened technological-wise.
[11:31.760 --> 11:37.060]  [SPEAKER_08]: You can see that firsthand by getting 10 years' worth of 2600 delivered to your door.
[11:37.680 --> 11:43.600]  [SPEAKER_08]: If you call 212-209-2950, pledge $100, you'll get 10 years.
[11:43.820 --> 11:45.200]  [SPEAKER_08]: $50, you'll get five years.
[11:45.420 --> 11:47.060]  [SPEAKER_08]: $200, you'll get a lifetime.
[11:47.060 --> 11:53.920]  [SPEAKER_08]: What that means is every issue from now on until the end, whatever that is defined as, and the last two years of back issues.
[11:54.260 --> 11:57.420]  [SPEAKER_08]: That's a $360 value?
[11:57.560 --> 11:58.160]  [SPEAKER_08]: Is that... yeah.
[11:58.360 --> 11:58.600]  [SPEAKER_08]: No, wait.
[11:58.680 --> 11:58.960]  [SPEAKER_08]: I'm sorry.
[11:59.020 --> 12:01.700]  [SPEAKER_08]: $310 value, that is, for a pledge of $200.
[12:01.700 --> 12:02.280]  [SPEAKER_08]: We take Visa.
[12:02.380 --> 12:03.140]  [SPEAKER_08]: We take MasterCard.
[12:03.260 --> 12:07.120]  [SPEAKER_08]: Everybody who pledges over $25 also gets an Off The Hook t-shirt.
[12:07.280 --> 12:10.100]  [SPEAKER_08]: So, you know, you're getting all kinds of really cool things here.
[12:10.180 --> 12:12.220]  [SPEAKER_08]: But like Mike said, it's the radio station.
[12:12.220 --> 12:13.300]  [SPEAKER_08]: That's the important thing.
[12:13.500 --> 12:15.020]  [SPEAKER_08]: This is something worth preserving.
[12:15.180 --> 12:15.640]  [SPEAKER_08]: Am I right?
[12:16.460 --> 12:16.860]  [SPEAKER_08]: Absolutely.
[12:17.400 --> 12:17.560]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[12:18.180 --> 12:18.580]  [SPEAKER_08]: Go ahead, Voltaire.
[12:18.620 --> 12:19.000]  [SPEAKER_08]: Hey, Emmanuel.
[12:19.520 --> 12:20.480]  [SPEAKER_08]: Voltaire first, then Bernie.
[12:21.340 --> 12:32.640]  [SPEAKER_12]: At any level, starting at, I think, $25, you'll also get the WBAI membership, which is something that I think is really important, especially in these times that WBAI is really changing, especially for the better.
[12:32.820 --> 12:33.060]  [SPEAKER_12]: Absolutely.
[12:33.320 --> 12:33.440]  [SPEAKER_12]: Right now.
[12:33.940 --> 12:38.280]  [SPEAKER_08]: Now, you know, I should also point out, this actually has happened to a couple of people.
[12:38.400 --> 12:44.200]  [SPEAKER_08]: People have publicly stood on soapboxes or proclaimed over the Internet that they want to support the radio station.
[12:44.200 --> 12:58.460]  [SPEAKER_08]: And they have been contacted by other people who say, please only pledge the bare minimum so that you get a vote and can shift the station to a different direction that we want to direct the station in.
[12:58.620 --> 13:00.060]  [SPEAKER_08]: And, you know, I don't like that tactic.
[13:00.060 --> 13:02.800]  [SPEAKER_08]: No matter what direction you want to point the station in.
[13:02.820 --> 13:04.240]  [SPEAKER_08]: First of all, we do have that ability.
[13:04.240 --> 13:07.220]  [SPEAKER_08]: We do have that power with the radio station works.
[13:08.340 --> 13:11.480]  [SPEAKER_08]: Like you said, you get a vote with that minimal pledge.
[13:11.820 --> 13:20.040]  [SPEAKER_08]: But you should be pledging as much as you possibly can in order to make it so that we can actually pay the bills and not just survive, but flourish.
[13:20.720 --> 13:28.140]  [SPEAKER_08]: And I think it's kind of tacky to do things like that, to say that we just want to gain control and then, you know, we'll do things our way.
[13:28.360 --> 13:31.160]  [SPEAKER_08]: No, it's more democratic than that.
[13:31.160 --> 13:35.320]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, they might as well... it's so tacky, they might as well be putting the phone sound effect all the way up.
[13:35.480 --> 13:35.740]  [SPEAKER_12]: Uh-huh.
[13:36.100 --> 13:37.580]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, might as well put it all the way up.
[13:37.660 --> 13:40.700]  [SPEAKER_08]: Now, 212-209-2950, we have three calls on the line.
[13:41.580 --> 13:42.340]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yes, go ahead, Mike.
[13:42.340 --> 13:44.060]  [SPEAKER_08]: I want to return to a point that Bernie S.
[13:44.140 --> 13:44.520]  [SPEAKER_08]: made earlier.
[13:44.680 --> 13:46.440]  [SPEAKER_08]: Bernie is next on... he's in queue.
[13:46.840 --> 13:49.760]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I'm going to return and then he can maybe say whatever he wants.
[13:49.780 --> 13:49.980]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.
[13:50.760 --> 14:03.840]  [SPEAKER_11]: And that point is that if you call 212-209-2950, pledge $50, $100, $200 to get these premiums, you get the magazine, which is commercial-free, and you get the radio program, which is also commercial-free.
[14:04.280 --> 14:10.780]  [SPEAKER_11]: I don't know where else you can get that much commercial-free content for really any price.
[14:10.900 --> 14:16.880]  [SPEAKER_11]: I mean, there are people who spend $100, $200 a month on their cable bill, and that cable bill still comes with advertisements.
[14:16.900 --> 14:17.520]  [SPEAKER_11]: That's right, yeah.
[14:18.020 --> 14:23.260]  [SPEAKER_08]: You buy a newspaper, you buy a magazine, that still comes with all kinds of ads, all kinds of things just screaming at you.
[14:23.260 --> 14:39.680]  [SPEAKER_11]: So it's really crazy that these pledges and no advertising revenue are enough to keep us on the air, but it's true that we keep our expenses as low as we can, given we're in New York City, we can only go so far.
[14:40.800 --> 14:43.600]  [SPEAKER_11]: But your pledges are what keep us on the air.
[14:43.900 --> 14:56.040]  [SPEAKER_11]: There are no commercials either on the radio or in the magazine, and that much content without the influence of advertisers is just something you can't get anywhere else, 212-209-2950.
[14:56.300 --> 15:04.940]  [SPEAKER_08]: An important point here that needs to be stressed is that we have hundreds of people, literally, who work in this place, and the vast, vast majority of them are volunteers.
[15:05.000 --> 15:06.340]  [SPEAKER_08]: Don't get a penny.
[15:06.440 --> 15:15.920]  [SPEAKER_08]: There are people down in the tally room right now who are volunteering their time, people doing all kinds of radio production here are volunteering their time just to bring alternative to the voices out there.
[15:16.400 --> 15:17.700]  [SPEAKER_11]: We're volunteering our time.
[15:17.780 --> 15:18.220]  [SPEAKER_08]: We're volunteering.
[15:18.360 --> 15:19.220]  [SPEAKER_08]: Nobody here gets paid.
[15:19.340 --> 15:23.860]  [SPEAKER_08]: Now, any radio station has to pay an engineer to keep the station on the air.
[15:24.240 --> 15:39.620]  [SPEAKER_08]: And people who are here maybe 15, 16 hours a day doing important jobs like programming the station and basically doing all kinds of things that you absolutely have to have done, bookkeeping and various other things like that.
[15:39.720 --> 15:43.340]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yes, you have to pay, but nobody is making a fortune here at all.
[15:43.340 --> 15:47.080]  [SPEAKER_08]: Nobody is barely getting by, people who do get paid, and there are very few of those.
[15:47.440 --> 15:53.940]  [SPEAKER_08]: So, every penny that you pledge to this place is basically keeping the station going itself.
[15:53.940 --> 16:01.380]  [SPEAKER_08]: It's not padding anybody's expense accounts or any of that nonsense you usually see in most places that ask for money.
[16:01.520 --> 16:03.840]  [SPEAKER_10]: You can tell that we're not padding anyone's expense accounts.
[16:04.000 --> 16:05.980]  [SPEAKER_10]: Look at the telephone machine that we have.
[16:06.120 --> 16:06.780]  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, look at that.
[16:06.900 --> 16:08.260]  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, you know, our listeners can't look at that.
[16:08.440 --> 16:09.340]  [SPEAKER_08]: Bernie, you've been waiting patiently.
[16:09.500 --> 16:10.500]  [SPEAKER_08]: What was on your mind?
[16:10.500 --> 16:24.160]  [SPEAKER_13]: I just wanted to point out that, as Mike just mentioned, this is an awful lot of content you get on this radio station, not just off the hook, but there's a lot of other really interesting programs on this radio station your pledge will help support.
[16:24.320 --> 16:32.660]  [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, obviously, if you pledge during this show, it really shows station management that off the hook really has dedicated listeners.
[16:32.660 --> 16:34.360]  [SPEAKER_13]: But this isn't the only show on the station.
[16:34.360 --> 16:39.320]  [SPEAKER_13]: There's a lot of other good programs that segue nicely into and out of.
[16:39.320 --> 16:40.680]  [SPEAKER_08]: All right, Bernie, I'm going to challenge you.
[16:40.960 --> 16:41.960]  [SPEAKER_08]: Name another good program.
[16:42.220 --> 16:58.880]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, I just wanted to point out that along with all that commercial-free programming and commercial-free content and the T-shirt, I mean, just for $50, the five years of back issues, that's like 1,500 printed pages in a really nice magazine you're getting.
[16:58.880 --> 17:09.140]  [SPEAKER_13]: For the $100 pledge, which includes a T-shirt, and 10 years of back issues, that's like 3,000 pages of really fascinating hacker and other information.
[17:09.140 --> 17:13.140]  [SPEAKER_13]: So I encourage our listeners to get out their blue boxers and call...
[17:15.120 --> 17:16.340]  [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, no, you didn't.
[17:17.760 --> 17:18.640]  [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, my God.
[17:18.640 --> 17:19.980]  [SPEAKER_08]: You just MFed the...
[17:19.980 --> 17:20.820]  [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, wow.
[17:21.040 --> 17:22.720]  [SPEAKER_08]: You want to explain to the folks that you just did there?
[17:22.900 --> 17:23.540]  [SPEAKER_08]: Because that's...
[17:23.540 --> 17:23.700]  [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, yeah.
[17:23.700 --> 17:24.320]  [SPEAKER_08]: That could be illegal.
[17:24.320 --> 17:26.360]  [SPEAKER_08]: That could be illegal in some places, Bernie, what you just did.
[17:26.680 --> 17:30.140]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, you know, some of our listeners are in other countries where...
[17:31.920 --> 17:33.300]  [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, no, you didn't do it again.
[17:33.400 --> 17:34.020]  [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, my God.
[17:35.940 --> 17:38.320]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, what are those magical tones, which some people might remember?
[17:38.860 --> 17:44.840]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, I just wanted to point out, but those MF tones, which have been used in the past...
[17:44.840 --> 17:48.800]  [SPEAKER_08]: Let me just say, that's not an adjective that we're using when we say that.
[17:48.940 --> 17:50.040]  [SPEAKER_08]: MF means...
[17:50.040 --> 17:52.940]  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, actually, it is in a sense, but MF stands for multi-frequency.
[17:53.120 --> 17:54.280]  [SPEAKER_08]: Am I correct on that?
[17:54.460 --> 17:54.780]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yes.
[17:54.780 --> 18:01.440]  [SPEAKER_13]: Although, some company security people might have used another acronym for MF, but...
[18:01.440 --> 18:06.260]  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, they usually follow that with our name or hackers or something like that, but never mind, yeah.
[18:06.500 --> 18:13.260]  [SPEAKER_13]: And that was actually the MF tones that I just played, including the KP prefix and the ST suffix.
[18:13.460 --> 18:14.940]  [SPEAKER_13]: That was 209...
[18:14.940 --> 18:16.620]  [SPEAKER_13]: That was the area code 215...
[18:16.620 --> 18:19.380]  [SPEAKER_13]: I'm sorry, 212-209-2950.
[18:19.380 --> 18:20.940]  [SPEAKER_13]: That was the MF tones I played.
[18:20.940 --> 18:39.020]  [SPEAKER_13]: And I imagine there's quite a few listeners who just heard that, and those tones were music to their ears, because that's an example of the kind of innovation that hackers and phone phreaks over the years have taken advantage of to explore technology in ways that it wasn't intended to be explored.
[18:39.560 --> 18:41.060]  [SPEAKER_13]: So, I wanted...
[18:41.060 --> 18:45.900]  [SPEAKER_13]: You asked me about some of the other programs that are on WBAI that I like to listen to.
[18:46.020 --> 18:49.520]  [SPEAKER_13]: Like, for instance, right after Off The Hook is the Personal Computer Show.
[18:49.520 --> 18:57.260]  [SPEAKER_13]: And there's some guys that do that show who've been involved with the computer scene since the 1970s, who really know their stuff really well.
[18:57.460 --> 19:06.280]  [SPEAKER_13]: In fact, we get a lot of calls on this station, on this show, that really intended for the next show, because people are waiting for the Personal Computer Show.
[19:06.300 --> 19:07.000]  [SPEAKER_13]: It's a great show.
[19:07.560 --> 19:12.740]  [SPEAKER_13]: On Friday mornings, there's a great media analysis program called Counterspin.
[19:12.740 --> 19:14.460]  [SPEAKER_13]: It's from 10 to 10.30 on Fridays.
[19:14.460 --> 19:19.520]  [SPEAKER_13]: It does a lot of the critical media analysis that we also do here on Off The Hook.
[19:19.600 --> 19:27.080]  [SPEAKER_13]: Now, we kind of focus on the types of stories related to technology and personal privacy and so forth that the media is not covering well.
[19:27.120 --> 19:29.180]  [SPEAKER_13]: And we try to expand on that like Counterspin does.
[19:29.320 --> 19:31.020]  [SPEAKER_13]: But it's a really good program to listen to.
[19:31.580 --> 19:35.580]  [SPEAKER_13]: Mike, you've been involved with Amy Goodwin's program, Democracy Now!
[19:35.580 --> 19:37.900]  [SPEAKER_13]: Maybe you could tell the listeners about that show.
[19:38.660 --> 19:39.160]  [SPEAKER_11]: Sure.
[19:39.500 --> 19:44.200]  [SPEAKER_11]: Well, Democracy Now!, as probably many of our listeners already know, is on every morning here on WBAI.
[19:44.340 --> 19:49.140]  [SPEAKER_11]: It's a daily independent news hour that really...
[19:49.680 --> 19:51.220]  [SPEAKER_11]: One of the things that Democracy Now!
[19:51.260 --> 20:13.460]  [SPEAKER_11]: does that I think is pretty unique among daily news programs is that they have interview segments with notable people, as well as people you may not have heard of who are affected by the news, that last for 20, 30, 40 minutes and therefore are able to just go in depth in a way that most of the news is not able to do with their 30-second soundbites.
[20:14.380 --> 20:21.020]  [SPEAKER_11]: And you get that program and just so many more programs here on WBAI, 212-209-2950.
[20:21.640 --> 20:32.160]  [SPEAKER_11]: I mean, I can almost guarantee if you turn on WBAI just two random times sometime in the next week, at least one of those times you will hear something fascinating that you wouldn't hear anywhere else.
[20:32.220 --> 20:36.960]  [SPEAKER_11]: It may not be something you agree with, but it will be fascinating and you will not hear it anywhere else.
[20:37.100 --> 20:38.660]  [SPEAKER_08]: I've been doing that a lot, actually, lately.
[20:38.900 --> 20:44.180]  [SPEAKER_08]: And I gotta say, I'm very impressed with some of the things I've been hearing over the airwaves.
[20:44.560 --> 20:48.760]  [SPEAKER_08]: Just the... we have an incredibly professional sound many times.
[20:49.000 --> 20:52.380]  [SPEAKER_08]: I can't say all the time we have a professional sound, but many times we do.
[20:52.680 --> 21:02.460]  [SPEAKER_08]: And many times I am just absolutely riveted to the radio listening to various... you ever listen to Exploration with Michio Kaku's earlier in the afternoon on Wednesdays?
[21:02.540 --> 21:06.840]  [SPEAKER_08]: That is an incredible show all about science and physics and space and things like that.
[21:06.880 --> 21:08.440]  [SPEAKER_08]: It's just, you don't hear that anywhere else.
[21:08.540 --> 21:09.000]  [SPEAKER_08]: You don't hear that.
[21:09.040 --> 21:12.560]  [SPEAKER_08]: You don't hear shows like Golden Age of Radio, which is on Sundays.
[21:12.800 --> 21:13.540]  [SPEAKER_08]: Old time radio.
[21:13.680 --> 21:15.220]  [SPEAKER_08]: I'm a sucker for old time radio.
[21:15.460 --> 21:17.740]  [SPEAKER_08]: Love listening to things from the 1930s and 1940s.
[21:18.100 --> 21:20.560]  [SPEAKER_08]: And that's just an adventure every time I turn that on.
[21:20.820 --> 21:24.860]  [SPEAKER_08]: Or Liquid Sound Lounge on Saturdays where you just hear really good music.
[21:25.100 --> 21:27.080]  [SPEAKER_08]: And sometimes music is what you need to hear.
[21:27.880 --> 21:30.820]  [SPEAKER_08]: It's all something that speaks to you at some point.
[21:31.440 --> 21:31.700]  [SPEAKER_08]: Emmanuel?
[21:31.880 --> 21:32.400]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yes, go ahead, Bernie.
[21:33.760 --> 21:42.780]  [SPEAKER_13]: I wasn't even scratching the surface of the programs on WBA-IFM that are really interesting and would be interesting to the listeners of Off The Hook.
[21:42.880 --> 21:50.540]  [SPEAKER_13]: There's another program called Law and Disorder that covers the legal issues around the erosion of civil liberties and the increasing police state.
[21:50.740 --> 21:52.000]  [SPEAKER_13]: We do that on Off The Hook.
[21:52.100 --> 21:54.720]  [SPEAKER_13]: But that's a whole show dedicated just to that topic.
[21:55.700 --> 21:59.060]  [SPEAKER_13]: On Saturdays, like from 10-30 to 11, there's a program called On the Count.
[21:59.340 --> 22:02.340]  [SPEAKER_13]: It's about the criminal justice in prison system.
[22:03.240 --> 22:08.740]  [SPEAKER_13]: We cover those issues, too, because a lot of times technology is used in the prison system.
[22:08.860 --> 22:13.680]  [SPEAKER_13]: And anything to do with controlling people using technology, we're interested in covering.
[22:13.680 --> 22:17.060]  [SPEAKER_13]: And you can also hear that in detail in the criminal justice in prison report.
[22:17.740 --> 22:24.920]  [SPEAKER_13]: Mike Levine does the expert witness program that covers some of the stuff that our government is up to covertly.
[22:25.140 --> 22:33.340]  [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, there's a lot of other programs on the station, but it's really important to know that you're not going to hear any of this kind of material on any commercial radio station.
[22:33.500 --> 22:33.820]  [SPEAKER_08]: Absolutely.
[22:33.960 --> 22:39.420]  [SPEAKER_08]: You know, even something like... I was driving around Saturday night, late Saturday night, and I was listening to a program we have called Soul Central Station.
[22:39.920 --> 22:44.140]  [SPEAKER_08]: And I can't tell you how rare it is that you hear good soul music on the radio anymore.
[22:44.300 --> 22:47.200]  [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, you'd think that's something that would not be too hard to find.
[22:47.460 --> 22:48.400]  [SPEAKER_08]: But you know what?
[22:48.480 --> 22:49.380]  [SPEAKER_08]: It's impossible to find.
[22:49.500 --> 23:00.020]  [SPEAKER_08]: And not only to hear good music, but to hear someone who's enthusiastic about it, to hear somebody who's educated about what they're playing, that's an example of some of the things that we do here at this radio station.
[23:00.020 --> 23:01.760]  [SPEAKER_08]: We have all different kinds of musical genres.
[23:01.860 --> 23:05.300]  [SPEAKER_08]: We have a terrific jazz series that's on Monday nights.
[23:05.800 --> 23:12.700]  [SPEAKER_08]: One of the programs that really excited me was a program of Spanish music that's on... it's rock and roll.
[23:12.820 --> 23:16.840]  [SPEAKER_08]: The Spanish rock and roll that's on Sunday nights called La Nueva Alternativa.
[23:17.840 --> 23:21.500]  [SPEAKER_08]: And that's an incredible program that I think it's on 11 p.m.
[23:21.560 --> 23:22.040]  [SPEAKER_08]: on Sunday nights.
[23:22.180 --> 23:26.000]  [SPEAKER_08]: We have so many diverse programs, so many different things you can listen to.
[23:26.280 --> 23:28.860]  [SPEAKER_08]: That's why your pledge makes so much of a difference.
[23:28.960 --> 23:29.840]  [SPEAKER_08]: It keeps all this going.
[23:29.920 --> 23:30.600]  [SPEAKER_08]: Not just us.
[23:30.700 --> 23:32.840]  [SPEAKER_08]: We're offering all kinds of things tonight for Off The Hook.
[23:33.120 --> 23:37.500]  [SPEAKER_08]: But your pledge goes for the radio station itself and keeps us going.
[23:37.680 --> 23:39.760]  [SPEAKER_08]: Now, I mentioned we were up to $707,000.
[23:39.960 --> 23:44.320]  [SPEAKER_08]: We need to make it to $800,000 by the time the marathon is over, which I believe is over the weekend.
[23:45.420 --> 23:47.800]  [SPEAKER_08]: We need you to call 212-209-2950.
[23:48.000 --> 23:49.900]  [SPEAKER_08]: We're up to $400 for this hour.
[23:50.120 --> 23:51.540]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, you know, that's good, but it's not good enough.
[23:51.540 --> 23:53.500]  [SPEAKER_08]: We need to get about $2,000 in this hour.
[23:53.860 --> 23:55.100]  [SPEAKER_08]: And we need your help to do that.
[23:55.280 --> 23:56.980]  [SPEAKER_08]: 212-209-2950.
[23:56.980 --> 24:02.980]  [SPEAKER_08]: We have three pledge levels, 50, 100, and 200, with all kinds of cool 2600 paraphernalia for you.
[24:03.260 --> 24:05.420]  [SPEAKER_08]: Five years of back issues for $50.
[24:06.000 --> 24:09.260]  [SPEAKER_08]: That's an incredible bargain because they usually go for 125.
[24:09.720 --> 24:13.140]  [SPEAKER_08]: 10 years for $100, and a lifetime for 200.
[24:15.160 --> 24:18.380]  [SPEAKER_12]: When we're not torturing our listeners, do we ever play country music?
[24:19.020 --> 24:33.740]  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, you know, it's interesting you should say that because we did play country music last week, and we did that to sort of prove a point that, in fact, this place, this frequency could easily, easily be turned over at any point to a commercial entity.
[24:34.760 --> 24:40.640]  [SPEAKER_08]: Basically, this kind of a frequency in the middle of the FM dial is worth hundreds of millions of dollars.
[24:40.760 --> 24:41.720]  [SPEAKER_08]: I'm not exaggerating, am I?
[24:41.820 --> 24:42.460]  [SPEAKER_08]: Bernie, was that right?
[24:42.560 --> 24:43.640]  [SPEAKER_08]: About hundreds of millions of dollars?
[24:43.780 --> 24:44.140]  [SPEAKER_13]: It could well be.
[24:44.300 --> 24:53.380]  [SPEAKER_13]: Even though the commercial radio is in bigger trouble than listener-supported radio, the stations still sell for ungodly amounts of money.
[24:53.840 --> 25:04.860]  [SPEAKER_13]: And, you know, the powers that be, at Pacifica, it's very possible, if this station doesn't get the financial support it needs from listeners, that Pacifica has to reallocate its resources.
[25:04.860 --> 25:09.080]  [SPEAKER_13]: And one of the resources in the Pacific network is WBAI.
[25:09.260 --> 25:15.500]  [SPEAKER_13]: Now, I'm sure the Pacifica would not like to relinquish this station in order to keep the network alive.
[25:15.720 --> 25:17.200]  [SPEAKER_13]: But it's very possible.
[25:17.440 --> 25:19.500]  [SPEAKER_13]: There's been a shakeup at this station recently.
[25:19.500 --> 25:23.660]  [SPEAKER_13]: Uh, because this is really driving to keep the station on the air.
[25:24.060 --> 25:38.080]  [SPEAKER_13]: Um, but it's really important that listeners that want to support the kind of information you hear on this radio station, non-commercial, hard-heating information you're not going to hear on any commercial station, to call 212-209-2950.
[25:38.100 --> 25:43.700]  [SPEAKER_13]: We're going to give you a lot of really great premium gifts for thanking you for supporting the station.
[25:43.700 --> 25:46.760]  [SPEAKER_08]: Up to $450, 212-209-2950.
[25:46.880 --> 25:48.280]  [SPEAKER_08]: Bernie, you mentioned a shakeup.
[25:48.360 --> 25:50.080]  [SPEAKER_08]: I want to make sure that people get the right idea here.
[25:50.560 --> 25:51.980]  [SPEAKER_08]: Uh, yeah, things do change.
[25:52.200 --> 25:55.140]  [SPEAKER_08]: Uh, new people running things, new programs being put on the air.
[25:55.340 --> 25:56.140]  [SPEAKER_08]: That is essential.
[25:56.300 --> 25:57.340]  [SPEAKER_08]: You have to do things like that.
[25:57.380 --> 26:00.740]  [SPEAKER_08]: You have to move, you have to change, you have to, uh, try new things.
[26:01.100 --> 26:04.240]  [SPEAKER_08]: Everything that's happening here right now is happening through process.
[26:04.240 --> 26:07.140]  [SPEAKER_08]: It's happening, uh, exactly the way it's supposed to happen.
[26:07.380 --> 26:08.540]  [SPEAKER_08]: Not everybody's going to be happy with it.
[26:08.640 --> 26:13.720]  [SPEAKER_08]: I'm not happy with everything that's happening either, but that's part of the whole process, which you can become a part of.
[26:13.860 --> 26:18.960]  [SPEAKER_08]: Uh, if you don't like the way we're going, and a lot of people said they didn't like the way we were going, you can help change that.
[26:19.040 --> 26:19.660]  [SPEAKER_08]: That's what's happening.
[26:19.760 --> 26:20.200]  [SPEAKER_08]: We're changing.
[26:20.400 --> 26:23.040]  [SPEAKER_08]: We're, we're doing different things and you're voting now with your dollars.
[26:23.240 --> 26:26.920]  [SPEAKER_08]: We're doing better this fundraiser than we've done in a long, long time.
[26:27.120 --> 26:28.780]  [SPEAKER_08]: And that my friends is a turning point.
[26:29.040 --> 26:29.780]  [SPEAKER_08]: Please help us.
[26:29.860 --> 26:31.520]  [SPEAKER_08]: We're up to 450 now for the hour.
[26:31.820 --> 26:33.380]  [SPEAKER_08]: Again, we need to make it to about 2000.
[26:33.380 --> 26:35.980]  [SPEAKER_08]: So please call up 212-209-2950.
[26:36.440 --> 26:38.840]  [SPEAKER_08]: Uh, again, we have, uh, several different pledge levels.
[26:38.960 --> 26:42.000]  [SPEAKER_08]: $200 gets you a lifetime subscription to 2600 magazine.
[26:42.000 --> 26:49.200]  [SPEAKER_08]: That's from now until whenever we stop or whenever you stop, whichever comes first, plus two years of the most recent back issues.
[26:49.420 --> 26:53.380]  [SPEAKER_08]: Uh, for a pledge of $100, you get the last 10 years of back issues.
[26:53.460 --> 26:56.580]  [SPEAKER_08]: And for a pledge of, uh, $50, you'll get the last five years of back issues.
[26:56.700 --> 26:59.280]  [SPEAKER_08]: An incredible deal because they sell for much more than that.
[26:59.360 --> 26:59.960]  [SPEAKER_08]: And they do sell.
[27:00.140 --> 27:01.800]  [SPEAKER_08]: People read magazines still.
[27:01.960 --> 27:06.440]  [SPEAKER_08]: Don't let, uh, what, uh, naysayers tell you, uh, stick in your mind because people are reading.
[27:06.980 --> 27:07.940]  [SPEAKER_08]: I see it all the time.
[27:08.280 --> 27:10.140]  [SPEAKER_08]: 212-209-2950.
[27:10.440 --> 27:14.220]  [SPEAKER_11]: And by the way, you know, Emmanuel, uh, and 2600 donate these issues.
[27:14.360 --> 27:16.020]  [SPEAKER_11]: They don't come out of your pledge dollars.
[27:16.480 --> 27:18.220]  [SPEAKER_11]: Uh, so if you think that... And we ship them too.
[27:18.300 --> 27:19.040]  [SPEAKER_11]: We ship them ourselves.
[27:19.360 --> 27:19.400]  [SPEAKER_11]: That's true.
[27:19.540 --> 27:36.160]  [SPEAKER_11]: So if you think that's kind of unfair, uh, and, and you think that it's not really enough money that we're asking for these things, you could certainly, uh, pledge more money than, than we're asking, uh, by calling 212-209-2950 and show your support and keep the station on the air even more,
[27:36.180 --> 27:39.220]  [SPEAKER_11]: uh, and maybe reduce the amount of time we have to spend.
[27:39.380 --> 27:40.780]  [SPEAKER_08]: Can I just point something out about the phones ringing too, by the way?
[27:40.840 --> 27:45.940]  [SPEAKER_08]: I just learned this, but not all the phones make sound because we were having a bunch of lights light up, but they, they didn't ring.
[27:46.040 --> 27:47.100]  [SPEAKER_08]: And you just heard that other phone ring.
[27:47.180 --> 27:48.300]  [SPEAKER_08]: Some of them ring, some of them don't.
[27:48.440 --> 27:51.680]  [SPEAKER_08]: So that don't let the absence of sound make you think that people aren't calling in.
[27:51.760 --> 27:53.140]  [SPEAKER_08]: We have three calls on the line right now.
[27:53.400 --> 27:54.620]  [SPEAKER_08]: We have room for more.
[27:54.740 --> 27:58.480]  [SPEAKER_08]: We have volunteers down there, people taking calls and, uh, taking your pledge.
[27:58.840 --> 27:59.680]  [SPEAKER_08]: It's a great thing to do.
[27:59.820 --> 28:00.160]  [SPEAKER_08]: Try it out.
[28:00.280 --> 28:01.980]  [SPEAKER_08]: 212-209-2950.
[28:02.500 --> 28:02.820]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yes, Red Heck.
[28:03.000 --> 28:04.940]  [SPEAKER_10]: I'm just going to say, I'm going to go that way.
[28:05.080 --> 28:05.940]  [SPEAKER_10]: There's enough people there.
[28:06.140 --> 28:07.720]  [SPEAKER_10]: So I'm going to go charging down the hallway.
[28:07.900 --> 28:07.980]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yes.
[28:08.040 --> 28:11.420]  [SPEAKER_08]: And help them out and give them a good, uh, pep talk there.
[28:12.200 --> 28:12.460]  [SPEAKER_08]: All right.
[28:12.580 --> 28:14.000]  [SPEAKER_08]: 212-209-2950.
[28:14.000 --> 28:17.040]  [SPEAKER_08]: If you call, you might even speak to Red Heck or you might speak to Gus.
[28:17.100 --> 28:19.940]  [SPEAKER_08]: You might speak to one of our other Tally, uh, volunteers.
[28:20.380 --> 28:21.260]  [SPEAKER_12]: Wait, Gus isn't in the studio?
[28:21.600 --> 28:22.740]  [SPEAKER_08]: No, you noticed that, huh?
[28:23.060 --> 28:23.240]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[28:23.240 --> 28:24.180]  [SPEAKER_08]: She's down, down the hallway.
[28:27.600 --> 28:28.500]  [SPEAKER_11]: They're really nice as well.
[28:28.620 --> 28:31.980]  [SPEAKER_11]: It's always fun to talk to them after the show and you could talk to them during the show.
[28:32.100 --> 28:32.340]  [SPEAKER_08]: That's true.
[28:32.460 --> 28:39.060]  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, don't talk to them too much because, uh, they do have a job to do and they, you know, they have to get through it and it's a hard job, but they're doing a great job.
[28:39.140 --> 28:40.520]  [SPEAKER_08]: 212-209-2950.
[28:40.920 --> 28:48.740]  [SPEAKER_09]: One major distinguishing feature of this station is that, uh, if you turn on like your soul music program, you will hear people, uh, presenting it that are passionate about soul music.
[28:48.920 --> 28:52.900]  [SPEAKER_09]: When you turn on a news program, you're hearing people not just reading off a teleprompter or anything like that.
[28:52.980 --> 28:53.620]  [SPEAKER_09]: They know the issues.
[28:53.780 --> 28:55.800]  [SPEAKER_09]: They will tell you why, how things are and why they're like that.
[28:56.060 --> 28:59.360]  [SPEAKER_09]: Um, they have this show, which is a hacker show and it's populated by hackers.
[28:59.720 --> 29:05.200]  [SPEAKER_09]: Every single minute of airtime of this station is put there by someone whose heart and soul is behind what they're doing.
[29:05.580 --> 29:08.420]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's not, nothing, nothing is, uh, just generated to fill time.
[29:08.660 --> 29:09.700]  [SPEAKER_09]: Everything's there for a reason.
[29:09.920 --> 29:12.520]  [SPEAKER_08]: Speaking of heart and soul, you ever hear the program, everything old is new again.
[29:12.700 --> 29:13.380]  [SPEAKER_08]: It's on Sunday nights.
[29:13.980 --> 29:19.660]  [SPEAKER_08]: Basically, I don't know how many of you listen to, uh, to, um, um, show tunes, cabaret interviews, things like that.
[29:19.780 --> 29:23.360]  [SPEAKER_08]: That's, that's what, um, uh, David Kenny every, every Sunday presents.
[29:23.660 --> 29:25.620]  [SPEAKER_08]: And I'm oftentimes I'm driving around.
[29:25.740 --> 29:26.640]  [SPEAKER_08]: I just happen to tune that in.
[29:26.840 --> 29:36.560]  [SPEAKER_08]: I, I never have heard anybody so enthusiastic about what he does about, uh, uh, the kind of music that he's playing and just basically the whole, the whole feeling, the whole sense of it all.
[29:36.800 --> 29:41.180]  [SPEAKER_08]: And that kind of spirit typifies what every producer here feels.
[29:41.400 --> 29:42.960]  [SPEAKER_08]: We're all passionate about something.
[29:43.040 --> 29:48.940]  [SPEAKER_08]: In our particular case, we're passionate about technology and social issues and, and, uh, you know, hacker events and things like that.
[29:49.360 --> 29:51.460]  [SPEAKER_08]: Uh, but everybody here has their thing.
[29:51.620 --> 30:00.220]  [SPEAKER_08]: And if you just, if you just tune around a little bit and, uh, and, and explore and listen at other times, you'll hear that same passion manifested in all sorts of different ways.
[30:00.420 --> 30:12.940]  [SPEAKER_08]: Uh, whether it be, uh, more short, the docs radio crusade, which is on, uh, uh, Tuesday nights at midnight, one of my favorite programs follow, followed by weaponry, which, um, uh, is a program all about weapons, which you wouldn't think would be something that,
[30:13.060 --> 30:14.880]  [SPEAKER_08]: uh, would air on a station like this, but it does.
[30:14.980 --> 30:15.640]  [SPEAKER_08]: And it's fascinating.
[30:15.640 --> 30:23.300]  [SPEAKER_11]: I was just going to say, people should know the Moorish Orthodox radio crusade has nothing to do with Moorish people, Orthodox religion, or crusades.
[30:23.380 --> 30:26.820]  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, I'm sure they talk about it occasionally because they talk about everything at some point.
[30:27.100 --> 30:33.980]  [SPEAKER_08]: They, they steer that ship around to, uh, uh, basically all kinds of stops and, uh, and, uh, take all kinds of phone calls as well.
[30:34.180 --> 30:34.400]  [SPEAKER_08]: All right.
[30:34.480 --> 30:36.360]  [SPEAKER_08]: Our phone lines are empty at the moment.
[30:36.540 --> 30:38.780]  [SPEAKER_08]: So, uh, we want to see some more calls up to five 50.
[30:39.200 --> 30:43.600]  [SPEAKER_08]: So we're more than a quarter of the way to our goal, which is 2000 for this hour.
[30:43.600 --> 30:45.540]  [SPEAKER_08]: Please show your support.
[30:45.900 --> 30:52.900]  [SPEAKER_08]: It, it, it must mean something to you if you're listening and we're trying to, uh, give you as much as we possibly can, uh, in exchange.
[30:53.200 --> 30:56.360]  [SPEAKER_08]: And you have our promise because, uh, we're doing all the shipping ourselves.
[30:56.360 --> 31:06.300]  [SPEAKER_08]: I know we've been a little slow with some premiums, but everybody gets their premiums in the end and we've improved the system tremendously so that we hope to have these premiums to you much quicker than ever before.
[31:06.680 --> 31:09.720]  [SPEAKER_08]: Uh, give us a call 212-209-2950.
[31:09.880 --> 31:10.400]  [SPEAKER_08]: We take Visa.
[31:10.540 --> 31:11.320]  [SPEAKER_08]: We take MasterCard.
[31:11.420 --> 31:13.000]  [SPEAKER_08]: We take all kinds of cool things like that.
[31:13.160 --> 31:13.560]  [SPEAKER_12]: We take Amex as well.
[31:13.680 --> 31:14.540]  [SPEAKER_08]: We take Amex.
[31:14.820 --> 31:15.900]  [SPEAKER_08]: We might even take Discover.
[31:16.180 --> 31:16.480]  [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know.
[31:16.560 --> 31:17.220]  [SPEAKER_08]: Give it a, give it a try.
[31:17.420 --> 31:21.440]  [SPEAKER_08]: If you're one of those five people in the world with a Discover card, give us a call, see what happens.
[31:21.620 --> 31:24.220]  [SPEAKER_08]: I have a Discover card and we have two calls on the line.
[31:24.340 --> 31:29.040]  [SPEAKER_08]: Thank you people for calling in, but please keep those calls coming because, uh, it makes all the difference.
[31:29.100 --> 31:30.380]  [SPEAKER_08]: This is the last week we're going to be doing this.
[31:30.540 --> 31:31.280]  [SPEAKER_08]: Four calls on the line.
[31:31.400 --> 31:31.580]  [SPEAKER_08]: Great.
[31:32.380 --> 31:43.400]  [SPEAKER_08]: Consider this a vote for, for, for non-commercial radio, for, um, for something different, for, um, I guess a vote against the commercial crap that's out there.
[31:43.520 --> 31:49.860]  [SPEAKER_08]: And all you have to do is turn around on your, uh, um, your FM dial, your AM dial, you'll hear all kinds of repetition.
[31:49.860 --> 31:51.500]  [SPEAKER_08]: You'll hear the same thing over and over again.
[31:51.640 --> 31:57.780]  [SPEAKER_08]: And yeah, I know we're asking you to do the same thing over and over again, but the ideas you hear when we're not asking for money are unique and different.
[31:57.980 --> 31:58.540]  [SPEAKER_08]: I'm sorry, Bernie.
[31:58.600 --> 31:58.800]  [SPEAKER_08]: Go ahead.
[31:58.800 --> 32:15.720]  [SPEAKER_13]: I just wanted to point out, Rob had a really good observation that, that all of, all the, uh, producers on WBAI that you hear, uh, I don't think any or very few of them get paid a dime for the passionate programming they put on the air for your enjoyment.
[32:16.340 --> 32:18.660]  [SPEAKER_13]: Um, none of us get paid for doing this.
[32:18.800 --> 32:29.860]  [SPEAKER_13]: And in fact, several of us on the show actually put a lot of money out of our own pockets, uh, yourself more than anyone, Emmanuel, to make this show happen so people can be informed about stuff they're interested in.
[32:29.980 --> 32:39.280]  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, Bernie, not to disagree with you too much, but did you not, uh, donate a hard ticket, uh, ticket the hackers at random last week to this, to this show, which, uh, yeah, I donated, uh, a chunk of change there.
[32:39.640 --> 32:50.480]  [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, that was hundreds of dollars out of my pocket to donate to this station along with, uh, Nick Farr, who generously donated the, uh, the hackers on a plane, uh, transportation to the hard conference.
[32:50.640 --> 32:51.800]  [SPEAKER_13]: And that was an amazing pack.
[32:51.920 --> 32:56.980]  [SPEAKER_13]: It was like one of the most amazing packages we ever offered a thousand dollars for the radio station right there.
[32:57.200 --> 33:00.400]  [SPEAKER_08]: People are putting their money where their mouths are or is, or yeah.
[33:00.600 --> 33:06.600]  [SPEAKER_08]: But the important thing is people are actually stepping forward more so now than I've seen in a very long time.
[33:06.800 --> 33:10.720]  [SPEAKER_08]: And, uh, I would really like for off the hook to be at the forefront of all that.
[33:10.800 --> 33:18.080]  [SPEAKER_08]: And you can help make that possible by joining the three people on the phone right now, calling 212-209-2950, taking advantage of the special offer.
[33:18.200 --> 33:24.200]  [SPEAKER_08]: We only have available for another half hour of, uh, basically five years of back issues of the magazine.
[33:24.320 --> 33:26.400]  [SPEAKER_08]: That's, uh, four issues per year.
[33:26.520 --> 33:28.520]  [SPEAKER_08]: I guess that's 20 issues for a pledge of $50.
[33:28.820 --> 33:29.400]  [SPEAKER_08]: That's a great deal.
[33:29.520 --> 33:30.480]  [SPEAKER_08]: You're not going to find that anywhere.
[33:30.480 --> 33:32.840]  [SPEAKER_08]: Even at the Dayton Hamvention, we didn't sell them for that low.
[33:33.320 --> 33:36.740]  [SPEAKER_08]: And, uh, we sell them for a lot more and we will continue to sell them for more than that.
[33:37.080 --> 33:38.780]  [SPEAKER_08]: $25 per year is what we sell them for.
[33:38.980 --> 33:45.580]  [SPEAKER_08]: We're offering it to you five years for a pledge of 50 or even better than that, a pledge of 100 will get you 10 years.
[33:45.760 --> 33:55.900]  [SPEAKER_08]: That's a $250 value right there along with the off the hook t-shirt or $200 pledge lifetime subscription to 2600 plus two years of back issues.
[33:56.060 --> 33:56.820]  [SPEAKER_08]: It's an incredible deal.
[33:56.980 --> 33:59.580]  [SPEAKER_08]: 212-209-2950.
[33:59.920 --> 34:07.580]  [SPEAKER_12]: What would you say to the listeners that say, oh, I already got all my, uh, dosage of hacker history from the, uh, best of 2600?
[34:07.780 --> 34:08.100]  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, yeah.
[34:08.240 --> 34:19.160]  [SPEAKER_08]: Interesting point because, uh, we, we did talk about the best of 2600, the book that we put out, which is a huge book, uh, filled with all kinds of, of material, but big as that is, it barely scratched the surface.
[34:19.320 --> 34:26.000]  [SPEAKER_08]: And you know, something else, every single one of our issues has something in it that did not make it to the book, namely the letters section.
[34:26.840 --> 34:31.700]  [SPEAKER_08]: We have more letters to our magazine than I think any other magazine ever publishes.
[34:31.820 --> 34:36.040]  [SPEAKER_08]: And we always have very interesting points of view and all kinds of back and forth dialogue.
[34:36.760 --> 34:38.360]  [SPEAKER_08]: And people love to read this.
[34:38.660 --> 34:42.100]  [SPEAKER_08]: They're, that's maybe their favorite part of the, uh, of the magazine.
[34:42.660 --> 34:46.280]  [SPEAKER_08]: And that's something that, uh, you get, you get a few, if you get the back issues.
[34:46.520 --> 34:48.060]  [SPEAKER_08]: 212-209-2950.
[34:48.300 --> 34:48.780]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yes, go ahead, Bernie.
[34:49.360 --> 34:53.680]  [SPEAKER_13]: I just said, the letter section is one of my favorite as it is for you.
[34:53.980 --> 34:55.640]  [SPEAKER_13]: Uh, and, uh, you write a lot of replies.
[34:55.800 --> 34:56.460]  [SPEAKER_13]: You write the replies.
[34:56.940 --> 34:59.000]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, well, I have to, I have to edit them all.
[34:59.020 --> 35:04.840]  [SPEAKER_08]: So I don't know if it's necessarily my favorite part because it takes me, uh, you know, a good week or two just to, uh, go through them all, every issue.
[35:05.260 --> 35:06.240]  [SPEAKER_13]: Very entertaining.
[35:06.460 --> 35:20.280]  [SPEAKER_13]: Some of the questions and observations and, and, and complaints and, and just other stuff that people, uh, write in the 2600 magazine and, uh, and, and you, you publish these letters and, and you give very entertaining responses.
[35:20.280 --> 35:26.100]  [SPEAKER_13]: And it's just, it's just a very entertaining section of the magazine, not to at all diminish the rest of the content.
[35:26.280 --> 35:28.560]  [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, there's like 70 some pages every quarter.
[35:28.780 --> 35:35.960]  [SPEAKER_13]: If you pledge, um, right now, uh, 50 dollars, you get five years of the most recent back issue in 2600.
[35:36.220 --> 35:38.280]  [SPEAKER_13]: That's like 1500 pages.
[35:38.560 --> 35:41.380]  [SPEAKER_13]: And it's really nice, uh, small form factor.
[35:41.540 --> 35:42.780]  [SPEAKER_13]: You can carry it anywhere with you.
[35:43.020 --> 35:45.120]  [SPEAKER_13]: You don't need a battery to run it or anything.
[35:45.300 --> 35:48.820]  [SPEAKER_13]: It's just paper magazines do have a place in our society.
[35:49.040 --> 35:51.220]  [SPEAKER_13]: For a hundred dollars, you can get 10 years of back issues.
[35:51.480 --> 35:55.240]  [SPEAKER_13]: That's over 3,000 pages of information.
[35:55.840 --> 35:59.860]  [SPEAKER_13]: Um, and for $200, you get a lifetime subscription to 2600 magazine.
[36:00.060 --> 36:03.320]  [SPEAKER_13]: As long as you are, we are alive, uh, for $260.
[36:03.820 --> 36:09.640]  [SPEAKER_13]: That's a, that's a really great value because now you have to get two hours, two, two years of, uh, of back issues with that.
[36:09.760 --> 36:12.620]  [SPEAKER_13]: And the off the hook t-shirt for anybody who pledges $25 or more.
[36:12.780 --> 36:16.780]  [SPEAKER_13]: Please call 212-209-2950 to support this station.
[36:16.920 --> 36:17.180]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.
[36:17.200 --> 36:19.820]  [SPEAKER_08]: If we see two more calls come in, we're going to get into some stories.
[36:19.900 --> 36:21.300]  [SPEAKER_08]: We have some interesting stories for you tonight.
[36:21.520 --> 36:23.060]  [SPEAKER_08]: Uh, and we do this every week.
[36:23.380 --> 36:30.800]  [SPEAKER_08]: Uh, we, we, we talk about all kinds of things going on in the world, having to do with computers and technology and privacy and consumer issues and hackers and things like that.
[36:30.900 --> 36:33.540]  [SPEAKER_08]: Where else would you ever find anything like that?
[36:33.660 --> 36:40.720]  [SPEAKER_08]: Had we not been here since 1988 doing this, many of the things we've talked about might never have, uh, gotten out to the world.
[36:40.900 --> 36:52.460]  [SPEAKER_08]: And so many people listen to this program and, and basically they, they meet up with us in various places and they say, wow, you know, I've, I've been listening to this show for 10 years or five years or 15 years, and I've learned so much.
[36:52.540 --> 36:59.400]  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, if you're one of those people, or if you're tuning in for the first time tonight and you want to see this continue, by all means, give a call now.
[36:59.520 --> 37:01.660]  [SPEAKER_08]: 212-209-2950.
[37:01.960 --> 37:03.520]  [SPEAKER_08]: Take advantage of these amazing offers.
[37:03.840 --> 37:05.080]  [SPEAKER_08]: Again, two more calls coming in.
[37:05.200 --> 37:06.160]  [SPEAKER_08]: We'll get to some stories.
[37:06.300 --> 37:13.560]  [SPEAKER_08]: Now, Volta, I know you had, you had a story about how you got, uh, involved, uh, how, how this sort of, uh, changed, changed your outlook on things.
[37:13.620 --> 37:14.400]  [SPEAKER_08]: How did it start for you?
[37:14.660 --> 37:15.080]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, definitely.
[37:15.360 --> 37:25.360]  [SPEAKER_12]: Um, I started listening to the show, um, I guess like three years ago when I was in ninth grade, and I was, uh, never really into politics or anything beyond technology.
[37:25.560 --> 37:29.020]  [SPEAKER_12]: But when I started listening to, I started subscribing to this as a podcast.
[37:29.240 --> 37:35.740]  [SPEAKER_12]: And right before that, uh, you always had the last few minutes or the last few seconds of, uh, free speech radio news.
[37:35.880 --> 37:41.100]  [SPEAKER_12]: So I started, uh, I remember hearing some interesting stories, and I started subscribing to that as well.
[37:41.260 --> 37:49.120]  [SPEAKER_12]: And after hearing that, I realized how interesting politics could be and, um, how, like, much social injustice there was in the world.
[37:49.320 --> 37:53.260]  [SPEAKER_12]: So I started, um, like, tuning into WBAI on a regular basis.
[37:53.500 --> 37:53.680]  [SPEAKER_12]: Wow.
[37:53.900 --> 37:58.200]  [SPEAKER_08]: And now... Now, wait, did you start with free speech radio news, or did you start with off the hook as a podcast?
[37:58.400 --> 37:58.840]  [SPEAKER_08]: Off The Hook.
[37:58.980 --> 37:59.440]  [SPEAKER_08]: Off The Hook.
[37:59.520 --> 38:01.140]  [SPEAKER_08]: And that led you to free speech radio news.
[38:01.240 --> 38:01.240]  Yes.
[38:01.240 --> 38:02.780]  [SPEAKER_08]: And then from there, other programs as well.
[38:02.820 --> 38:05.320]  [SPEAKER_12]: From there, I started tuning into WBAI, like, all the time.
[38:05.800 --> 38:06.060]  [SPEAKER_12]: Wow.
[38:06.080 --> 38:12.380]  [SPEAKER_08]: And, um, yeah, I started... In high school, that's incredible that somebody would, would get turned on to all that kind of thing.
[38:12.400 --> 38:18.440]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, it also got me, like, really involved in... It helped me, like, discover my own high school, even though this was, like, a few miles away.
[38:18.780 --> 38:24.420]  [SPEAKER_12]: Um, I joined the Human Rights Club, which is, like, something that I'd never be interested in, like, just a year before.
[38:24.740 --> 38:28.300]  [SPEAKER_12]: And I, uh, also organized with a bunch of religious leaders.
[38:28.520 --> 38:31.940]  [SPEAKER_12]: I organized the anti-war rally in my city, if near Rochelle.
[38:32.220 --> 38:32.420]  [SPEAKER_12]: Uh-huh.
[38:32.420 --> 38:35.440]  [SPEAKER_12]: And we had, like, 300 people attend, which I thought was really good.
[38:35.440 --> 38:40.560]  [SPEAKER_08]: What do you think makes it unique about a radio station as opposed to just, um, a website or something?
[38:40.700 --> 38:43.200]  [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, everybody has the ability to say something on the Internet now.
[38:43.560 --> 38:46.840]  [SPEAKER_08]: Things have changed, but I think there's something still special about a radio station, right?
[38:46.980 --> 38:52.200]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, I think the most important thing for us is that we have the production studios that you wouldn't get anywhere else.
[38:52.300 --> 39:00.140]  [SPEAKER_12]: Like, we're not a bunch of people talking into a laptop speaker, uh, laptop microphone, or people with, like... It's definitely not a professional studio.
[39:00.140 --> 39:01.140]  [SPEAKER_08]: Nothing wrong with laptop microphones.
[39:01.560 --> 39:01.760]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yes.
[39:01.760 --> 39:02.800]  [SPEAKER_08]: I love laptop microphones.
[39:02.940 --> 39:04.440]  [SPEAKER_08]: But yeah, you, you raise a valid point.
[39:04.560 --> 39:08.560]  [SPEAKER_12]: It's like, it's, it's a good place to filter the highest quality stuff.
[39:08.780 --> 39:10.740]  [SPEAKER_12]: That's, it's high quality, but still volunteer.
[39:11.740 --> 39:15.680]  [SPEAKER_08]: So... Yeah, here you do learn, and this is where I learned a lot about radio.
[39:15.840 --> 39:28.060]  [SPEAKER_08]: I, I worked in radio before at my college station, but you learn about a lot about production quality and about, uh, being fair and open-minded and, and talking to listeners and, uh, just learning yourself.
[39:28.340 --> 39:29.640]  [SPEAKER_08]: That's what this place is all about.
[39:29.760 --> 39:31.320]  [SPEAKER_08]: That's what it's been about since 1960.
[39:32.000 --> 39:34.220]  [SPEAKER_08]: And, uh, I'm proud to be a part of it.
[39:34.300 --> 39:41.920]  [SPEAKER_08]: I, I think I've never been prouder and I'm really looking forward to the future now because it looks like the future is bright and, uh, we're up to 1150 now.
[39:42.080 --> 39:42.660]  [SPEAKER_08]: So that's great.
[39:42.860 --> 39:44.140]  [SPEAKER_08]: We're past the halfway mark.
[39:44.300 --> 39:49.280]  [SPEAKER_08]: We just need a few more calls at 212-209-2950, uh, to, to reach our goal for tonight.
[39:49.280 --> 39:50.820]  [SPEAKER_08]: I'll be very happy, uh, to do that.
[39:50.880 --> 39:54.640]  [SPEAKER_08]: And it'll be, uh, it'll be one of the more momentous fundraisers that I can remember at this place.
[39:54.720 --> 39:54.860]  [SPEAKER_08]: Rob?
[39:55.260 --> 39:55.560]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[39:55.660 --> 39:56.800]  [SPEAKER_09]: And that's a, that's another thing.
[39:56.900 --> 40:01.160]  [SPEAKER_09]: There's, uh, versus, versus, uh, laptops and podcasts and things which, uh, have their place and they're great.
[40:01.780 --> 40:08.380]  [SPEAKER_09]: Um, but, uh, an actual radio station is run by people, um, at least this one is, is run by people, uh, passionate about radio.
[40:08.860 --> 40:12.820]  [SPEAKER_09]: Everything on the schedule, which is, uh, put together by these people is there for a reason.
[40:12.820 --> 40:15.960]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's there because somebody, uh, somebody thinks it has value.
[40:16.500 --> 40:16.820]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.
[40:16.820 --> 40:18.640]  [SPEAKER_08]: We have people to thank and then we're going to read some stories.
[40:18.720 --> 40:19.800]  [SPEAKER_08]: We're going to thank those people for calling in.
[40:20.440 --> 40:21.640]  [SPEAKER_08]: Uh, go ahead, Mike, you start.
[40:21.900 --> 40:24.400]  [SPEAKER_09]: Uh, we'll start by thanking a team who lives in Florida.
[40:25.900 --> 40:29.080]  [SPEAKER_09]: And, uh, we would like to thank Terrence who lives in Highland Park, New Jersey.
[40:29.540 --> 40:30.920]  [SPEAKER_12]: Uh, Michael from Chicago.
[40:31.400 --> 40:34.200]  [SPEAKER_09]: We want to thank Sydney from Montclair for his pledge.
[40:34.780 --> 40:36.580]  [SPEAKER_08]: I've got some names here too, but I'm sorry.
[40:36.720 --> 40:37.760]  [SPEAKER_08]: I'm having trouble with this.
[40:37.960 --> 40:40.140]  [SPEAKER_08]: People doing some crazy dance in the, in the performance studio.
[40:40.420 --> 40:41.900]  [SPEAKER_08]: They're waving their hands up in the air.
[40:42.060 --> 40:44.280]  [SPEAKER_08]: It's, it's just typical of the kinds of things going on.
[40:44.360 --> 40:45.020]  [SPEAKER_08]: Don't wave back.
[40:45.580 --> 40:46.260]  [SPEAKER_08]: Being polite.
[40:46.400 --> 40:49.400]  [SPEAKER_08]: No, it's just, oh boy, this place is amazing.
[40:49.820 --> 40:50.240]  [SPEAKER_08]: Uh, okay.
[40:50.380 --> 40:53.900]  [SPEAKER_08]: Uh, we have, um, I want to thank Christian from Cambridge in the UK.
[40:54.120 --> 40:54.600]  [SPEAKER_08]: That's right.
[40:54.740 --> 40:55.980]  [SPEAKER_08]: Now we have listeners overseas.
[40:55.980 --> 40:57.540]  [SPEAKER_08]: We didn't have that in the early years.
[40:57.580 --> 40:58.200]  [SPEAKER_08]: Now we have that.
[40:58.200 --> 41:00.080]  [SPEAKER_08]: And we have people who can listen to our old shows too.
[41:00.420 --> 41:05.480]  [SPEAKER_08]: And I want to thank, um, uh, Michael from Astoria for, for his generous pledge as well.
[41:05.920 --> 41:06.780]  [SPEAKER_08]: Uh, do we have other people?
[41:07.220 --> 41:07.660]  [SPEAKER_12]: Go ahead.
[41:07.740 --> 41:10.580]  [SPEAKER_12]: I have some disappointing news for our Discover card holding listeners.
[41:10.820 --> 41:11.580]  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, we don't take Discover.
[41:11.740 --> 41:12.000]  [SPEAKER_12]: No.
[41:12.180 --> 41:12.820]  [SPEAKER_12]: Oh, how about that?
[41:13.000 --> 41:14.400]  [SPEAKER_12]: So don't bother calling in.
[41:14.400 --> 41:14.680]  [SPEAKER_12]: All right.
[41:14.740 --> 41:21.940]  [SPEAKER_08]: But American Express, Visa, and MasterCard, we, we take 212-209, 212-209-2950 is our, it's our phone number.
[41:22.020 --> 41:25.460]  [SPEAKER_11]: And we, and we always get these people who don't want us to say even their first names on the air.
[41:25.620 --> 41:26.660]  [SPEAKER_11]: And, and we thank them anyway.
[41:27.360 --> 41:28.280]  [SPEAKER_08]: Did we just do that?
[41:28.400 --> 41:28.740]  [SPEAKER_08]: No, no, no.
[41:28.940 --> 41:30.520]  [SPEAKER_11]: We thank them, but anonymously.
[41:30.760 --> 41:30.760]  All right.
[41:30.760 --> 41:31.460]  [SPEAKER_11]: I thought maybe they hand us the sheets.
[41:31.480 --> 41:31.860]  [SPEAKER_11]: No, no, no.
[41:31.920 --> 41:32.940]  [SPEAKER_08]: Sometimes they hand us the sheets.
[41:33.040 --> 41:33.700]  [SPEAKER_08]: No, I checked.
[41:33.940 --> 41:34.860]  [SPEAKER_08]: Do not read our name.
[41:34.960 --> 41:35.800]  [SPEAKER_08]: And I don't know why they do that.
[41:35.860 --> 41:35.980]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.
[41:36.480 --> 41:37.960]  [SPEAKER_08]: Uh, again, our phone lines are open.
[41:37.960 --> 41:42.980]  [SPEAKER_08]: So if you want to call up and help us reach our goal, we are at 1150, but that's still pretty far away from our goal.
[41:43.040 --> 41:43.900]  [SPEAKER_08]: And we only have 20 minutes left.
[41:43.980 --> 41:44.100]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.
[41:44.120 --> 41:46.860]  [SPEAKER_08]: Let's go over some stories and hopefully that'll prompt people to call in.
[41:47.160 --> 41:59.540]  [SPEAKER_08]: Uh, a contraband cell phone planted by law enforcement and corrections officials in Baltimore's Supermax prison was used to record inmate conversations, uncovering multiple crimes, including a home invasion plot that resulted in a killing.
[42:00.080 --> 42:00.520]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[42:00.860 --> 42:06.820]  [SPEAKER_08]: Uh, cell phones are routinely smuggled into prisons where they use to pass the time, continue illegal operations and intimidate witnesses.
[42:07.140 --> 42:13.240]  [SPEAKER_08]: Uh, Governor Martin O'Malley recently asked for permission to test signal jamming technology that could make the devices useless.
[42:13.440 --> 42:18.180]  [SPEAKER_08]: But in the meantime, local and federal law enforcement are trying to turn them into tools.
[42:18.420 --> 42:29.020]  [SPEAKER_08]: So while they're trying to block the cell phones from being used, what they're doing now is they're sending cell phones in and saying, okay, inmates use the cell phones, uh, get some crimes going and then we'll, we'll get you for the crimes.
[42:29.080 --> 42:29.800]  [SPEAKER_08]: What do you think about that?
[42:30.020 --> 42:30.880]  [SPEAKER_08]: Law enforcement tactics.
[42:31.220 --> 42:35.280]  [SPEAKER_13]: It wouldn't be the first time that law enforcement has smuggled contraband into, uh, into prisons.
[42:35.500 --> 42:39.100]  [SPEAKER_13]: But in this case, they're actually doing it for the purposes of law enforcement.
[42:39.280 --> 42:57.600]  [SPEAKER_13]: Uh, and it's really intriguing that, uh, the contraband cell phones are just sort of, uh, ...being covertly brought into prisons with prisoners thinking that they're going to be able to get away with crimes from using a cell phone in prison.
[42:57.860 --> 43:00.300]  [SPEAKER_13]: And then these phones are wiretapped.
[43:00.440 --> 43:13.420]  [SPEAKER_13]: So, you know, any prisoners who are listening to this show, and I know there are prisoners who listen to this show in both state and federal prisons, if you come across a cell phone in prison, be aware that it could be wiretapped by law enforcement.
[43:13.420 --> 43:15.320]  [SPEAKER_13]: And have been planted there for that reason.
[43:15.900 --> 43:28.380]  [SPEAKER_08]: And, of course, Maryland Governor Martin O'Malley basically wants to start jamming the cell phone signals eventually after they finish catching more criminals by fooling them.
[43:28.940 --> 43:33.620]  [SPEAKER_08]: The governor's goal is to stop criminal conduct from behind prison walls, says his press secretary.
[43:33.620 --> 43:34.660]  [SPEAKER_08]: It's a problem in Maryland.
[43:34.780 --> 43:42.160]  [SPEAKER_08]: The state has been innovative in finding ways to detect and seize cell phones, but keeping them out of prisoners' hands is proving difficult.
[43:42.640 --> 43:47.700]  [SPEAKER_08]: Now, federal law and FCC rules make cell phone jamming devices illegal, except for feds.
[43:47.860 --> 43:53.560]  [SPEAKER_08]: The military uses such devices to neutralize improvised explosive devices in Iraq and other war zones.
[43:54.320 --> 43:57.380]  [SPEAKER_08]: Unauthorized jamming, which I believe we've done on the air.
[43:57.520 --> 43:58.540]  [SPEAKER_08]: Did we not do that on the air?
[43:58.620 --> 44:00.380]  [SPEAKER_08]: We actually tested a jammer on the air.
[44:00.680 --> 44:03.880]  [SPEAKER_08]: That can carry fines of up to $11,000 a day.
[44:04.280 --> 44:06.140]  [SPEAKER_08]: And the commission actively enforces the ban.
[44:06.140 --> 44:06.580]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, you know what?
[44:06.660 --> 44:07.140]  [SPEAKER_08]: Let's not...
[44:07.140 --> 44:07.920]  [SPEAKER_08]: We didn't actually do that.
[44:08.000 --> 44:09.500]  [SPEAKER_08]: We just were kidding about doing that.
[44:09.760 --> 44:13.120]  [SPEAKER_08]: But we demonstrated what it might be like if we did do something like that.
[44:13.200 --> 44:13.340]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[44:13.780 --> 44:14.700]  [SPEAKER_08]: We'll just leave it at that.
[44:14.900 --> 44:15.920]  [SPEAKER_08]: We're up to $1,450.
[44:16.300 --> 44:16.740]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, great.
[44:16.860 --> 44:18.360]  [SPEAKER_08]: We're only $550 away from our goal.
[44:18.540 --> 44:20.600]  [SPEAKER_08]: 212-209-2950.
[44:20.600 --> 44:21.900]  [SPEAKER_08]: We have one call on the line.
[44:22.000 --> 44:22.620]  [SPEAKER_08]: Please call up.
[44:22.920 --> 44:25.760]  [SPEAKER_08]: Pledge 50 for five years of 2600 back issues.
[44:25.760 --> 44:28.800]  [SPEAKER_08]: 100 for 10 years of 2600 back issues.
[44:28.900 --> 44:32.700]  [SPEAKER_08]: And 200 for a lifetime subscription to 2600, the hacker quarterly.
[44:33.140 --> 44:37.260]  [SPEAKER_08]: And you also get two years of free back issues along with that.
[44:37.360 --> 44:37.840]  [SPEAKER_08]: Great deal.
[44:38.060 --> 44:39.100]  [SPEAKER_08]: Here's another story.
[44:39.240 --> 44:49.860]  [SPEAKER_08]: The NYPD has crushed a sophisticated identity theft ring that wrecked the credit of 6,000 victims and bilked banks out of $15 million in bogus charges.
[44:50.040 --> 45:00.500]  [SPEAKER_08]: Now, the way that reads, it bilked banks out of bogus charges, which means that banks were trying to charge $15 million in bogus charges and these criminals bilked them out of it, right?
[45:00.680 --> 45:01.640]  [SPEAKER_08]: Am I reading it incorrectly?
[45:01.960 --> 45:02.200]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yes.
[45:02.540 --> 45:03.320]  [SPEAKER_08]: Or it's just...
[45:03.320 --> 45:04.460]  [SPEAKER_08]: That's the daily news for you.
[45:04.580 --> 45:09.660]  [SPEAKER_12]: I appreciate the banks aren't built on the bogus charges because that's what I hear at Wall Street's like.
[45:09.780 --> 45:12.140]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, it's pretty much just bogus charges everywhere you go.
[45:12.460 --> 45:20.220]  [SPEAKER_08]: And yeah, and this is the kind of show that will talk to you about that straightforwardly and tell you where the bogus charges are really coming from.
[45:20.300 --> 45:23.880]  [SPEAKER_08]: Anyway, this scam stretched from New York to guess where?
[45:23.980 --> 45:24.500]  [SPEAKER_08]: Nigeria.
[45:24.940 --> 45:27.440]  [SPEAKER_08]: It was one of the largest operations of its kind.
[45:27.600 --> 45:29.480]  [SPEAKER_08]: It's just every sentence got alliteration in it.
[45:29.900 --> 45:31.500]  [SPEAKER_08]: Dismantled by the NYPD.
[45:31.900 --> 45:40.640]  [SPEAKER_08]: Now, the thieves somehow managed to get their hands on thousands of credit cards legitimately issued in the victims' names, but intercepted them before they arrived at the proper destination.
[45:40.960 --> 45:50.940]  [SPEAKER_08]: Now, they then called the credit card companies using a legal device called a spoof card to disguise their voice and phone number to activate the credit cards.
[45:51.940 --> 45:59.300]  [SPEAKER_08]: From a law enforcement perspective, such cards are anything but a spoof, said Queens District Attorney Richard Brown in the soundbite of the week.
[45:59.740 --> 46:06.580]  [SPEAKER_08]: Once the companies fell for the roost, the suspects used the cards for cash advances or to buy luxury items or sometimes just basic necessities.
[46:07.000 --> 46:08.320]  [SPEAKER_08]: Depends on what they needed at the moment.
[46:08.320 --> 46:14.840]  [SPEAKER_08]: But I want to talk about this spoof card thing because I played with this before, but I wanted to demonstrate it on the air.
[46:14.920 --> 46:19.520]  [SPEAKER_08]: So I actually went and I activated a spoof card right before the show.
[46:20.060 --> 46:22.480]  [SPEAKER_08]: And what I'd like to do is...
[46:22.480 --> 46:29.100]  [SPEAKER_08]: I'm not sure how this is going to work because I'm going to call the station from the station, and that might result in some confusion.
[46:29.100 --> 46:36.580]  [SPEAKER_08]: So let's get a dial tone, and I'll call spoof card, enter my code, and call the station and see if I can talk to myself using a spoofed voice.
[46:36.580 --> 46:38.180]  [SPEAKER_08]: And if that doesn't work, we'll try it from a cell phone.
[46:38.380 --> 46:38.500]  [SPEAKER_08]: What?
[46:39.020 --> 46:41.400]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, you see, it gets kind of complicated, but we're going to try it.
[46:41.420 --> 46:43.260]  [SPEAKER_08]: It's the kind of thing we do here at the WBAI.
[46:43.320 --> 46:44.700]  [SPEAKER_08]: 212-209-2950.
[46:44.800 --> 46:46.660]  [SPEAKER_08]: If you support this kind of thing, please give us a call.
[46:47.100 --> 46:47.400]  [SPEAKER_08]: Dial tone?
[46:48.460 --> 46:49.500]  [SPEAKER_08]: All right, there's our dial tone.
[46:49.580 --> 46:50.600]  [SPEAKER_08]: We're going to call the number now.
[46:56.470 --> 46:58.730]  [SPEAKER_08]: All right, now we're calling spoof card.
[47:01.130 --> 47:01.410]  [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome.
[47:02.070 --> 47:03.630]  [SPEAKER_02]: Please enter your PIN number.
[47:04.190 --> 47:05.150]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, let's do that.
[47:07.570 --> 47:09.010]  [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, I didn't know the...
[47:09.350 --> 47:10.250]  [SPEAKER_08]: It comes across like that.
[47:10.250 --> 47:12.370]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, I don't want to give my PIN code out over the air.
[47:14.570 --> 47:15.150]  [SPEAKER_02]: There.
[47:16.030 --> 47:18.370]  [SPEAKER_02]: To place a call, press 1.
[47:18.710 --> 47:21.890]  [SPEAKER_02]: To listen to your recorded calls, press 2.
[47:22.510 --> 47:25.710]  [SPEAKER_02]: To add minutes to your card, press 3.
[47:26.270 --> 47:29.150]  [SPEAKER_02]: For customer service, press 0.
[47:29.410 --> 47:30.350]  [SPEAKER_02]: All right, let's place a call.
[47:30.750 --> 47:35.050]  [SPEAKER_02]: Please enter your destination number, followed by the pound sign.
[47:35.270 --> 47:35.530]  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[47:42.990 --> 47:45.590]  [SPEAKER_02]: Caller ID, followed by the pound sign.
[47:45.730 --> 47:46.110]  [SPEAKER_08]: Isn't that great?
[47:46.250 --> 47:48.590]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, so I'm going to, of course, put in the White House phone number.
[47:58.470 --> 48:06.490]  [SPEAKER_02]: What does it mean to change my voice to sound like a man?
[48:06.570 --> 48:07.130]  [SPEAKER_08]: What are you saying?
[48:07.270 --> 48:07.930]  [SPEAKER_08]: What do I sound like?
[48:08.050 --> 48:08.890]  [SPEAKER_08]: All right, I'm going to press 3.
[48:08.890 --> 48:12.630]  [SPEAKER_02]: To record this call, press 1 now.
[48:12.950 --> 48:14.170]  [SPEAKER_02]: That's a good feature right there.
[48:14.430 --> 48:15.050]  [SPEAKER_08]: Otherwise, press 2.
[48:15.410 --> 48:16.810]  [SPEAKER_08]: Let's press 1.
[48:17.210 --> 48:20.650]  [SPEAKER_02]: You have 60 minutes remaining for this call.
[48:24.550 --> 48:27.890]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, and now I believe we're getting a phone call.
[48:28.370 --> 48:29.670]  [SPEAKER_08]: Will I be able to pick this up?
[48:30.630 --> 48:31.870]  [SPEAKER_08]: Let's try it and see what happens.
[48:32.030 --> 48:35.410]  [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know why it's showing up over there, but... Hello, can you hear me?
[48:37.270 --> 48:39.110]  [SPEAKER_08]: There's some feedback.
[48:39.110 --> 48:39.670]  [SPEAKER_08]: There's some feedback.
[48:40.110 --> 48:43.510]  [SPEAKER_05]: But you hear... I sound kind of evil there.
[48:44.910 --> 48:45.190]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[48:45.530 --> 48:48.910]  [SPEAKER_08]: What I'm going to have to do is call back using a cell phone.
[48:49.070 --> 48:52.210]  [SPEAKER_08]: Or, actually, what I can also do is maybe play this back.
[48:52.750 --> 48:53.590]  [SPEAKER_08]: I'm going to hang up.
[48:54.310 --> 48:55.190]  [SPEAKER_08]: Actually, how do I hang up?
[48:55.250 --> 48:55.950]  [SPEAKER_08]: I guess I press that.
[48:56.210 --> 48:58.290]  [SPEAKER_08]: And then I press... Okay, so I've hung up now.
[48:58.290 --> 48:59.950]  [SPEAKER_02]: To record the call, press 1.
[49:00.210 --> 49:03.350]  [SPEAKER_02]: To listen to your recorded calls, press 2.
[49:03.550 --> 49:03.770]  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's try that.
[49:04.050 --> 49:06.630]  [SPEAKER_02]: To play all recordings, press 1.
[49:06.850 --> 49:10.650]  [SPEAKER_02]: To play all recordings starting from a specific date, press 2.
[49:10.650 --> 49:13.150]  [SPEAKER_02]: You have one recording saved.
[49:13.550 --> 49:18.630]  [SPEAKER_02]: May 27th at 7.47 p.m.
[49:23.890 --> 49:25.070]  [SPEAKER_06]: There's some feedback.
[49:25.990 --> 49:28.870]  [SPEAKER_06]: You hear... I sound kind of evil there.
[49:31.090 --> 49:34.850]  [SPEAKER_06]: What I'm going to have to do is call back using a cell phone.
[49:35.030 --> 49:38.110]  [SPEAKER_06]: Or, actually, what I can also do is maybe play this back.
[49:38.770 --> 49:39.610]  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm going to hang up.
[49:41.610 --> 49:43.030]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, that doesn't sound very good, does it?
[49:43.370 --> 49:43.510]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[49:44.050 --> 49:44.450]  [SPEAKER_08]: All right, so...
[49:44.450 --> 49:44.870]  [SPEAKER_08]: There's a reason, Emmanuel.
[49:44.990 --> 49:46.090]  [SPEAKER_08]: To repeat this recording.
[49:46.210 --> 49:47.490]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I'm going to hang up on him.
[49:47.830 --> 49:48.310]  [SPEAKER_08]: To skip.
[49:48.470 --> 49:48.850]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, goodbye.
[49:49.290 --> 49:51.350]  [SPEAKER_08]: I can call him with my cell phone and then...
[49:51.350 --> 49:53.250]  [SPEAKER_08]: You'll hear an evil voice a lot easier.
[49:53.390 --> 49:53.870]  [SPEAKER_08]: But go ahead, Bernie.
[49:54.490 --> 49:57.030]  [SPEAKER_13]: I was going to say, you've got the latency of the cell phone system.
[49:57.630 --> 50:00.570]  [SPEAKER_13]: And that's why there's all that crazy echo, which made it hard to hear.
[50:00.710 --> 50:02.750]  [SPEAKER_13]: But these spoof cards are readily available.
[50:02.910 --> 50:03.510]  [SPEAKER_13]: You can just go to...
[50:03.510 --> 50:05.870]  [SPEAKER_13]: Just do a web search for a spoof card.
[50:05.990 --> 50:08.210]  [SPEAKER_13]: And you can buy these things fairly inexpensively.
[50:08.390 --> 50:13.530]  [SPEAKER_13]: And make your caller ID info appear as any number you want on your called party.
[50:13.650 --> 50:15.310]  [SPEAKER_13]: And there's a lot of controversy about this.
[50:15.390 --> 50:17.110]  [SPEAKER_13]: Some people are using it for illegal purposes.
[50:17.270 --> 50:19.490]  [SPEAKER_13]: Some are using it for fun and games, like we are.
[50:19.710 --> 50:21.170]  [SPEAKER_13]: But the technology exists.
[50:21.610 --> 50:28.430]  [SPEAKER_13]: And if people are just aware that this technology exists, they can just be cognizant of it.
[50:28.490 --> 50:36.470]  [SPEAKER_13]: So we're making people aware that if you just see a call ID number on your phone, on your call ID box, it doesn't necessarily mean that's who's calling you.
[50:36.610 --> 50:40.170]  [SPEAKER_13]: It could be a telemarketer trying to hide their number.
[50:40.170 --> 50:43.370]  [SPEAKER_13]: Or it could be a criminal or just be somebody playing a joke on you.
[50:43.370 --> 50:56.910]  [SPEAKER_08]: To give you an example of the kinds of information that you can get in 2600 Magazine, if you take advantage of the offer that we have tonight at 212-209-2950, we have an article that basically details the risk of this kind of a thing.
[50:57.270 --> 51:00.990]  [SPEAKER_08]: And what many people do, many people have their cell phone voicemail.
[51:01.370 --> 51:04.750]  [SPEAKER_08]: They have the password disabled if you call from your cell phone.
[51:04.750 --> 51:14.330]  [SPEAKER_08]: So what that means is that if you are able to fake out the caller ID and somehow call your voicemail number with your phone number showing up, you can get into someone else's voicemail very, very easily.
[51:14.530 --> 51:21.530]  [SPEAKER_08]: And we detail the risk of that and why it's a bad idea and how you can protect against that sort of thing.
[51:21.530 --> 51:26.390]  [SPEAKER_08]: It's basically what educated people do by default, but sometimes we forget.
[51:26.850 --> 51:28.470]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, now Mike's going to call us now as a woman.
[51:29.150 --> 51:30.470]  [SPEAKER_08]: Let's see if we can get him.
[51:31.330 --> 51:32.250]  [SPEAKER_08]: Mike, are you there?
[51:33.930 --> 51:34.850]  [SPEAKER_14]: Hello, how are you?
[51:35.810 --> 51:36.890]  [SPEAKER_08]: Is that really you, Mike?
[51:38.410 --> 51:40.250]  [SPEAKER_14]: It could be, or it could be an imposter.
[51:40.770 --> 51:41.350]  [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know.
[51:41.430 --> 51:42.810]  [SPEAKER_08]: I don't think he sounds very much like a woman.
[51:43.190 --> 51:51.510]  [SPEAKER_08]: But okay, Mike, why don't you issue a demand for where to leave the money so that we get the merchandise that we want to have returned to us?
[51:52.970 --> 51:57.410]  [SPEAKER_14]: You should leave the money with WBAI by calling 212-209-2950.
[51:57.830 --> 51:59.790]  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, that sure sounds like a threat to me.
[52:00.890 --> 52:02.930]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, it's gotten the phones ringing.
[52:03.050 --> 52:03.450]  [SPEAKER_08]: I'll say that.
[52:03.610 --> 52:04.650]  [SPEAKER_08]: We have three calls on the line.
[52:04.790 --> 52:06.750]  [SPEAKER_08]: Mike, maybe you wish to threaten us some more.
[52:08.290 --> 52:13.870]  [SPEAKER_14]: I mean, well, the threat is simple, that if people don't pledge, if we don't make our goals, we'll go off the air.
[52:14.470 --> 52:16.830]  [SPEAKER_14]: That sounds like the worst threat I could possibly make.
[52:19.130 --> 52:20.230]  [SPEAKER_08]: And I'm chilled.
[52:20.230 --> 52:22.090]  [SPEAKER_08]: I'm chilled just hearing that threat being made.
[52:22.290 --> 52:25.110]  [SPEAKER_08]: But Mike, what I'd like you to do, can you call us back as a man?
[52:25.110 --> 52:26.470]  [SPEAKER_08]: I want to hear what it sounds like that way.
[52:26.530 --> 52:27.650]  [SPEAKER_08]: I think you might even sound more evil.
[52:28.350 --> 52:28.950]  [SPEAKER_08]: Can you do that?
[52:29.350 --> 52:31.330]  [SPEAKER_14]: All right, why don't you hang up on me so I go back?
[52:31.330 --> 52:32.190]  [SPEAKER_08]: I will hang up on you.
[52:32.310 --> 52:34.190]  [SPEAKER_08]: I'm going to hang up on this threatening voice right now.
[52:36.690 --> 52:36.970]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.
[52:37.330 --> 52:37.810]  [SPEAKER_08]: You know what?
[52:37.830 --> 52:38.550]  [SPEAKER_08]: I think I might have hung up.
[52:38.770 --> 52:39.650]  [SPEAKER_08]: Barney, you're still there, right?
[52:40.030 --> 52:40.490]  [SPEAKER_12]: I'm still here.
[52:40.490 --> 52:40.910]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay, good.
[52:40.950 --> 52:41.630]  [SPEAKER_08]: I didn't hang up on you.
[52:42.350 --> 52:42.830]  [SPEAKER_08]: Voltaire, yes?
[52:43.370 --> 52:43.730]  [SPEAKER_12]: Oh, no.
[52:43.770 --> 52:45.770]  [SPEAKER_12]: I was going to say that it's...
[52:45.770 --> 52:48.210]  [SPEAKER_12]: How do we know that Mike isn't really just breathing out of a helium tank?
[52:48.470 --> 52:52.990]  [SPEAKER_08]: We don't know that, which is why I asked him to call back as a man, because nobody can imitate that voice with a balloon.
[52:53.310 --> 52:53.610]  [SPEAKER_12]: All right.
[52:54.190 --> 52:55.930]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, we have two calls on the line.
[52:56.070 --> 52:56.950]  [SPEAKER_08]: We're still at $14.50.
[52:56.950 --> 53:03.130]  [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know if that means that we haven't yet caught up to tally, to add up all the numbers that we have.
[53:03.190 --> 53:23.790]  [SPEAKER_08]: Again, our goal is $2,000 for the hour, and we need people to call up 212-209-2950 and pledge either $50 for five years or 2600 back issues, where you'll find out all kinds of amazing secrets of the phone and hacker and computer world, or $100 for 10 years of back issues.
[53:24.070 --> 53:24.850]  [SPEAKER_08]: It's a great deal.
[53:25.030 --> 53:27.370]  [SPEAKER_08]: It's a fraction of the normal cost.
[53:27.510 --> 53:34.170]  [SPEAKER_08]: But more importantly, you're supporting the radio station, keeping us alive, keeping us strong, keeping us moving into the 21st century.
[53:34.390 --> 53:37.650]  [SPEAKER_08]: $200, you'll get a lifetime subscription to the magazine, plus two years of back issues.
[53:38.390 --> 53:41.570]  [SPEAKER_08]: And Mike, do we have your threatening voice on the air right now?
[53:42.670 --> 53:43.850]  [SPEAKER_08]: Your money or your life?
[53:44.010 --> 53:44.370]  [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, yeah.
[53:44.450 --> 53:45.150]  [SPEAKER_08]: That's much better.
[53:45.310 --> 53:46.030]  [SPEAKER_08]: That's much better.
[53:46.330 --> 53:48.850]  [SPEAKER_08]: Why don't you demand that we make payment now?
[53:50.750 --> 53:53.210]  [SPEAKER_15]: Make payment now by calling 212-209-2950.
[53:53.230 --> 53:57.570]  [SPEAKER_15]: 212-209-2950, or you won't get the premiums and you won't get the radio station.
[53:57.890 --> 53:58.630]  [SPEAKER_08]: I like that.
[53:58.750 --> 54:03.030]  [SPEAKER_08]: Tell us more about what we won't get if we don't do something that you want us to do right now.
[54:04.710 --> 54:05.830]  [SPEAKER_15]: It's pretty backwards.
[54:06.070 --> 54:12.110]  [SPEAKER_15]: If you don't call, then you will not get the Off The Hook t-shirt.
[54:12.550 --> 54:13.970]  [SPEAKER_15]: Certainly, you will not get that.
[54:14.090 --> 54:14.390]  [SPEAKER_15]: Oh, my God.
[54:14.390 --> 54:15.490]  [SPEAKER_15]: If you don't pledge at least $25.
[54:16.050 --> 54:16.850]  [SPEAKER_08]: That's so scary.
[54:16.850 --> 54:21.870]  [SPEAKER_15]: If you don't pledge at least $50, you won't get the five years of back issues.
[54:21.870 --> 54:26.110]  [SPEAKER_15]: And if you don't pledge $100, you won't get the 10 years of back issues.
[54:27.130 --> 54:30.070]  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, okay, Mike, okay, evil Mike.
[54:30.250 --> 54:39.090]  [SPEAKER_08]: Now, if I don't want any of that to happen, I mean, if I do want that to happen, if I want to help support the radio station, what do I do?
[54:39.190 --> 54:40.870]  [SPEAKER_08]: How do I make this all go away?
[54:41.130 --> 54:42.110]  [SPEAKER_08]: All this evilness?
[54:42.630 --> 54:43.070]  [SPEAKER_15]: Call.
[54:43.350 --> 54:46.050]  [SPEAKER_15]: Just call 212-209-2950.
[54:46.050 --> 54:50.570]  [SPEAKER_15]: If you're calling from out of the country, maybe you're calling from Somalia or something, country code 1.
[54:52.310 --> 54:53.690]  [SPEAKER_15]: And, you know, that's it.
[54:54.350 --> 54:54.610]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.
[54:54.670 --> 54:54.890]  [SPEAKER_08]: You know what?
[54:54.910 --> 54:59.650]  [SPEAKER_08]: I think you need to speak slower because I think you'll sound a lot more threatening if you speak slower.
[54:59.850 --> 55:03.430]  [SPEAKER_08]: Give out that phone number one more time in a real commanding type voice.
[55:05.390 --> 55:15.830]  [SPEAKER_15]: So, obviously, in my normal voice, the spoof card is doing all the threatening, but the number, 1-212-209-2950.
[55:16.730 --> 55:17.170]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.
[55:17.690 --> 55:22.030]  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, Mike, I hope we haven't gotten you too angry because you certainly sound threatening to us.
[55:22.110 --> 55:27.150]  [SPEAKER_08]: But that's Mike's voice as heard through a spoof card with a fake phone number and a fake voice.
[55:27.510 --> 55:30.690]  [SPEAKER_08]: Just one of the many examples of fun things you can do with technology.
[55:32.350 --> 55:34.930]  [SPEAKER_08]: And, hopefully, a way of getting people to call in as well.
[55:35.310 --> 55:37.730]  [SPEAKER_08]: 2-1-2-2-0-9-2-9-5-0.
[55:37.830 --> 55:39.430]  [SPEAKER_08]: Any final words, Evil Mike?
[55:41.830 --> 55:42.190]  [SPEAKER_15]: No.
[55:42.610 --> 55:42.850]  [SPEAKER_15]: Okay.
[55:43.010 --> 55:43.450]  [SPEAKER_15]: Just call.
[55:43.610 --> 55:44.250]  [SPEAKER_15]: Just call.
[55:45.150 --> 55:45.470]  [SPEAKER_15]: Okay.
[55:45.750 --> 55:46.130]  [SPEAKER_15]: Well, Mike...
[55:46.130 --> 55:47.530]  [SPEAKER_15]: Any final words with all the other words.
[55:47.750 --> 55:48.190]  [SPEAKER_08]: All right.
[55:48.370 --> 55:49.250]  [SPEAKER_08]: We'll make sure we do that.
[55:49.370 --> 55:49.850]  [SPEAKER_08]: Thank you.
[55:49.970 --> 55:50.430]  [SPEAKER_08]: Thank you, Mike.
[55:50.790 --> 55:52.050]  [SPEAKER_08]: Three calls on the line.
[55:52.210 --> 55:53.950]  [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know if that's enough to appease him.
[55:55.070 --> 55:56.510]  [SPEAKER_08]: Mike, you're back in real life now.
[55:56.810 --> 55:58.750]  [SPEAKER_08]: And, boy, that was fun.
[55:58.930 --> 55:59.150]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yes.
[55:59.150 --> 56:00.730]  [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know what it sounded like.
[56:00.810 --> 56:01.830]  [SPEAKER_08]: I just heard myself talking.
[56:01.990 --> 56:03.390]  [SPEAKER_08]: You're going to find out what it sounded like.
[56:03.530 --> 56:04.450]  [SPEAKER_08]: It sounded pretty threatening.
[56:04.590 --> 56:10.970]  [SPEAKER_08]: So, it's a boon to kidnappers and to people who want their voices to be mangled beyond recognition.
[56:11.270 --> 56:15.410]  [SPEAKER_09]: The interesting thing about this spoof card is I believe it's the same company that's running the...
[56:15.410 --> 56:18.870]  [SPEAKER_09]: I can't remember the name of it, but the controversial service to break through caller ID blocks.
[56:19.090 --> 56:19.230]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[56:19.330 --> 56:19.790]  [SPEAKER_08]: Isn't that something?
[56:19.910 --> 56:23.610]  [SPEAKER_08]: They have another service to basically defeat what they're doing with this service.
[56:23.870 --> 56:24.110]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yes.
[56:24.110 --> 56:25.850]  [SPEAKER_09]: So, they're playing both sides of the equation.
[56:26.050 --> 56:26.230]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[56:26.230 --> 56:27.910]  [SPEAKER_08]: You know, that's what people do.
[56:28.030 --> 56:30.170]  [SPEAKER_08]: But we're going to talk about it no matter what they do.
[56:30.190 --> 56:31.490]  [SPEAKER_08]: So, we'll get the word out.
[56:31.670 --> 56:32.030]  [SPEAKER_08]: All right.
[56:32.070 --> 56:34.150]  [SPEAKER_08]: We have two calls on the line right now.
[56:34.310 --> 56:35.230]  [SPEAKER_08]: We're at 1550.
[56:35.530 --> 56:36.290]  [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know.
[56:36.670 --> 56:39.130]  [SPEAKER_08]: We only have about five or four minutes left.
[56:39.230 --> 56:42.070]  [SPEAKER_08]: So, let's have a last minute blitz here.
[56:43.030 --> 56:44.370]  [SPEAKER_08]: 212-209-2950.
[56:44.610 --> 56:46.450]  [SPEAKER_08]: These are the last moments of the fundraiser for Off The Hook.
[56:47.310 --> 56:53.510]  [SPEAKER_08]: Again, for a pledge of only $50, you'll get five full years of back issues of 2600 Magazine.
[56:53.950 --> 56:58.270]  [SPEAKER_08]: For a pledge of $100, 10 years of back issues of 2600 Magazine.
[56:58.310 --> 56:59.710]  [SPEAKER_08]: It's a phenomenal deal.
[56:59.710 --> 57:01.190]  [SPEAKER_08]: It's a donation from 2600.
[57:01.430 --> 57:05.450]  [SPEAKER_08]: It's something that we're crazy to do, but we love this place, so we're doing it anyway.
[57:05.610 --> 57:09.130]  [SPEAKER_08]: And hopefully, you love this place enough to call in and pledge and take advantage of that.
[57:09.430 --> 57:10.470]  [SPEAKER_08]: Make everybody happy.
[57:10.670 --> 57:19.830]  [SPEAKER_08]: Pledge of $200 gets you a lifetime subscription forever and ever until we either stop or you cease to be, and you'll also get two of the more recent years of back issues.
[57:20.070 --> 57:22.630]  [SPEAKER_08]: 212-209-2950.
[57:23.370 --> 57:24.610]  [SPEAKER_08]: We need to hear from you now.
[57:24.710 --> 57:25.090]  [SPEAKER_08]: This is it.
[57:25.210 --> 57:26.270]  [SPEAKER_08]: We're coming down to the wire.
[57:26.830 --> 57:29.610]  [SPEAKER_08]: This radio station is starting to get back on its feet.
[57:29.730 --> 57:30.450]  [SPEAKER_08]: We're doing well.
[57:30.650 --> 57:39.630]  [SPEAKER_08]: This is a very successful fundraiser and hopefully the first step in many where we basically show what we can do with your help.
[57:40.330 --> 57:41.710]  [SPEAKER_08]: 212-209-2950.
[57:41.970 --> 57:43.310]  [SPEAKER_11]: Why not be a part of that success?
[57:43.470 --> 57:45.030]  [SPEAKER_11]: 212-209-2950.
[57:45.030 --> 57:51.270]  [SPEAKER_11]: We're so used to not succeeding here at this radio station that when we are succeeding, I think people would want to be a part of it.
[57:51.310 --> 57:52.730]  [SPEAKER_08]: I wouldn't say we're used to not succeeding.
[57:52.830 --> 57:59.210]  [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, we have succeeded in the past, but I just get this spirit now that, you know, it's not negative.
[57:59.210 --> 57:59.830]  [SPEAKER_08]: It's positive.
[58:00.130 --> 58:03.370]  [SPEAKER_08]: There are good things ahead, and these good things are going to involve our listeners.
[58:04.510 --> 58:06.010]  [SPEAKER_08]: So I'm really looking forward to that.
[58:06.190 --> 58:08.950]  [SPEAKER_08]: I'm looking forward to taking that ride with as many of you as possible.
[58:10.070 --> 58:11.130]  [SPEAKER_08]: Please be a part of it.
[58:11.270 --> 58:12.350]  [SPEAKER_08]: Again, one more time.
[58:13.430 --> 58:14.950]  [SPEAKER_08]: 212-209-2950.
[58:15.610 --> 58:16.610]  [SPEAKER_08]: Three pledge levels.
[58:16.770 --> 58:18.670]  [SPEAKER_08]: At least as many pledge levels as you want, really.
[58:19.190 --> 58:20.230]  [SPEAKER_08]: One call on the line.
[58:20.390 --> 58:22.330]  [SPEAKER_08]: We have room for about four or five more.
[58:22.630 --> 58:24.690]  [SPEAKER_08]: Please add your voice.
[58:24.790 --> 58:25.770]  [SPEAKER_08]: We're up to $1,900.
[58:26.310 --> 58:27.890]  [SPEAKER_08]: We're only $100 away from the goal.
[58:28.470 --> 58:29.770]  [SPEAKER_08]: You can be that person.
[58:30.030 --> 58:31.930]  [SPEAKER_08]: One person calling in and pledging.
[58:32.490 --> 58:33.850]  [SPEAKER_08]: $100 brings us to the goal.
[58:35.090 --> 58:37.050]  [SPEAKER_08]: 212-209-2950.
[58:37.250 --> 58:37.970]  [SPEAKER_08]: Thanks so much to everybody.
[58:37.970 --> 58:38.790]  [SPEAKER_08]: We'll see you next week.
[58:38.990 --> 58:39.630]  [SPEAKER_08]: Good night.