Off The Hook - 2010-04-14

[00:05.790 --> 00:06.490]  [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, my God.
[00:06.630 --> 00:07.750]  [SPEAKER_13]: It's 7 o'clock.
[00:07.750 --> 00:09.150]  [SPEAKER_13]: You're listening to WBAI New York.
[00:09.350 --> 00:11.410]  [SPEAKER_13]: It's time once again for Off The Hook.
[00:16.720 --> 00:18.580]  [SPEAKER_08]: The telephone keeps ringing.
[00:18.980 --> 00:21.080]  [SPEAKER_08]: So I ripped it off the wall.
[00:22.160 --> 00:24.100]  [SPEAKER_08]: I cut myself while shaving.
[00:24.700 --> 00:26.620]  [SPEAKER_08]: Now I can't make a call.
[00:27.380 --> 00:29.380]  [SPEAKER_08]: We couldn't get much worse.
[00:32.750 --> 00:34.890]  [SPEAKER_08]: It won't for the best to expect the worst.
[00:35.550 --> 00:37.430]  [SPEAKER_08]: I hope that's understood.
[00:37.610 --> 00:38.450]  [SPEAKER_08]: One little bit more.
[02:03.680 --> 02:04.620]  [SPEAKER_13]: And good to know.
[02:04.700 --> 02:06.120]  [SPEAKER_13]: The program is Off The Hook.
[02:06.200 --> 02:07.960]  [SPEAKER_13]: Emmanuel Goldstein here with you on this Wednesday evening.
[02:08.340 --> 02:10.760]  [SPEAKER_13]: And we're joined tonight by Mike.
[02:11.100 --> 02:11.340]  [SPEAKER_13]: Hi.
[02:11.440 --> 02:11.700]  [SPEAKER_13]: Jim.
[02:11.860 --> 02:12.220]  [SPEAKER_13]: Hello.
[02:12.560 --> 02:13.040]  [SPEAKER_13]: And Rob T.
[02:13.140 --> 02:14.000]  [SPEAKER_13]: Firefly in the studio.
[02:14.180 --> 02:14.520]  [SPEAKER_13]: Good evening.
[02:14.820 --> 02:18.480]  [SPEAKER_13]: Voltaire is on his way up here speeding in a yellow limousine, I believe.
[02:19.100 --> 02:20.420]  [SPEAKER_13]: And yes, Bernie S.
[02:20.560 --> 02:22.260]  [SPEAKER_13]: joins us on the phone from Philadelphia.
[02:23.100 --> 02:25.520]  [SPEAKER_02]: Greetings from Philadelphia, the home of Flash Mobs.
[02:26.400 --> 02:27.160]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yes, indeed.
[02:28.300 --> 02:35.140]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, actually, just a special aside between those of us in the room and those of us listening on the radio right now.
[02:35.780 --> 02:37.000]  [SPEAKER_13]: Red Hector's running late.
[02:37.240 --> 02:38.340]  [SPEAKER_13]: He's been running late consistently.
[02:38.560 --> 02:41.660]  [SPEAKER_13]: And the problem is I'm not going to be here next week and he's filling in.
[02:42.820 --> 02:44.240]  [SPEAKER_13]: So bear with me here.
[02:44.780 --> 02:49.720]  [SPEAKER_13]: I'm basically going to announce when he comes in that the show has been moved to 6 p.m.
[02:49.840 --> 02:50.380]  [SPEAKER_13]: next week.
[02:50.540 --> 02:51.880]  [SPEAKER_13]: I'm doing that for our sake.
[02:52.040 --> 02:54.120]  [SPEAKER_13]: That way, he'll be here on time.
[02:54.220 --> 02:55.200]  [SPEAKER_13]: Actually, he'll be here a little bit late.
[02:55.200 --> 02:56.740]  [SPEAKER_13]: He'll be here at 6.15 or something.
[02:57.100 --> 03:05.820]  [SPEAKER_13]: And that way, as long as everybody keeps this to themselves, the listeners and people in the room, that actually the show is staying where it is at 7 p.m.
[03:05.820 --> 03:09.180]  [SPEAKER_13]: I'm just going to say that when he comes in the room, that the show is moving to 6 p.m.
[03:09.180 --> 03:10.500]  [SPEAKER_13]: Just let's all keep a straight face.
[03:11.020 --> 03:11.920]  [SPEAKER_13]: And yeah.
[03:12.460 --> 03:12.920]  [SPEAKER_13]: All right.
[03:13.580 --> 03:14.560]  [SPEAKER_13]: What choice do I have?
[03:14.560 --> 03:15.480]  [SPEAKER_15]: I think the secret's safe.
[03:15.800 --> 03:16.200]  [SPEAKER_13]: All right.
[03:16.260 --> 03:16.400]  [SPEAKER_13]: Good.
[03:17.180 --> 03:17.500]  [SPEAKER_13]: Why?
[03:17.560 --> 03:18.200]  [SPEAKER_13]: Because nobody's listening?
[03:18.800 --> 03:21.360]  [SPEAKER_15]: Well, I think we just have a very trustworthy audience.
[03:21.360 --> 03:21.620]  [SPEAKER_15]: Mm-hmm.
[03:22.540 --> 03:23.180]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, we do.
[03:23.260 --> 03:23.780]  [SPEAKER_13]: We actually do.
[03:23.960 --> 03:25.420]  [SPEAKER_13]: A very dedicated audience as well.
[03:25.620 --> 03:28.320]  [SPEAKER_13]: And one that we've valued over the years.
[03:28.480 --> 03:30.580]  [SPEAKER_13]: So I want to thank you for bearing with us.
[03:31.700 --> 03:32.100]  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay.
[03:32.100 --> 03:33.620]  [SPEAKER_13]: All kinds of fun things happening.
[03:33.980 --> 03:36.900]  [SPEAKER_13]: Bernie, Not-A-Con is coming up this weekend, right?
[03:37.360 --> 03:37.760]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[03:37.820 --> 03:42.280]  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm hitting the road tomorrow, picking up our friend Ed Piscor in Pittsburgh.
[03:42.280 --> 03:46.520]  [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to stop by the hackerspace in Pittsburgh called Hack Pittsburgh.
[03:47.160 --> 03:49.480]  [SPEAKER_02]: And then we're going to head to Cleveland for Not-A-Con.
[03:49.960 --> 03:50.400]  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay.
[03:50.720 --> 03:51.880]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, that sounds great.
[03:52.020 --> 03:53.400]  [SPEAKER_13]: So actually leaving on Thursday.
[03:53.600 --> 03:55.240]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, I think it begins on Thursday, doesn't it?
[03:55.740 --> 03:57.500]  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, Thursday, late Thursday night.
[03:57.740 --> 03:58.640]  [SPEAKER_02]: So we'll get there in time.
[03:58.840 --> 03:59.220]  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay.
[03:59.880 --> 04:04.680]  [SPEAKER_13]: I'm heading out to Eastern Europe next week for the next three shows.
[04:04.680 --> 04:06.680]  [SPEAKER_13]: I'll be somewhere in the former Yugoslavia.
[04:07.200 --> 04:10.920]  [SPEAKER_13]: So any listeners out there, please write oth@2600.com.
[04:10.920 --> 04:17.560]  [SPEAKER_13]: Maybe we can meet up, see your hackerspaces or just your cities or parts of the various republics there.
[04:17.560 --> 04:27.180]  [SPEAKER_13]: I found out something interesting that I'm heading in via Germany and Austria and hitting every single one of the republics, including Kosovo and also Albania and Italy.
[04:27.780 --> 04:32.340]  [SPEAKER_13]: This trip, I'm hitting more countries than I hit when I went all around the world.
[04:32.880 --> 04:33.600]  [SPEAKER_13]: Think about that.
[04:33.600 --> 04:43.840]  [SPEAKER_13]: If you add up the countries, I went to England, Holland, Germany, Poland, Belarus, Russia, Mongolia, China, Japan, United States again.
[04:44.520 --> 04:49.820]  [SPEAKER_13]: And here, all the former Yugoslav republics and those other countries I mentioned, it's more.
[04:50.100 --> 04:50.740]  [SPEAKER_13]: Isn't that amazing?
[04:50.940 --> 04:52.160]  [SPEAKER_13]: So you're going to visit Fyrom.
[04:52.780 --> 04:53.180]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[04:53.240 --> 04:53.440]  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay.
[04:53.840 --> 04:54.920]  [SPEAKER_13]: As long as you brought that up, yes.
[04:55.160 --> 04:57.040]  [SPEAKER_13]: We're going to get to the bottom of that controversy.
[04:57.520 --> 05:01.120]  [SPEAKER_13]: The country being the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia.
[05:01.280 --> 05:09.400]  [SPEAKER_13]: And apparently, if you call it Macedonia, people in Greece get very angry at you because they have a Macedonia, too, that's older or has more rights to the name or something like that.
[05:09.400 --> 05:12.900]  [SPEAKER_13]: So they insist on you calling it Fyrom, former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia.
[05:13.020 --> 05:16.340]  [SPEAKER_13]: But, you know, to me, it seems like you're still calling it Macedonia that way.
[05:16.480 --> 05:18.220]  [SPEAKER_13]: You know, it's the former Yugoslav Republic of what?
[05:18.420 --> 05:19.260]  [SPEAKER_13]: You know, Macedonia.
[05:19.460 --> 05:22.040]  [SPEAKER_13]: So it just seems like they should come up with a different name for it.
[05:22.100 --> 05:23.360]  [SPEAKER_13]: And I'll try to get to the bottom of that.
[05:23.560 --> 05:27.080]  [SPEAKER_14]: Well, just for politeness's sake, call it whatever the people around you are calling it.
[05:27.160 --> 05:28.140]  [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, you know, that's the other thing.
[05:28.340 --> 05:31.660]  [SPEAKER_13]: If you go to Google Maps, and this is a lot of fun.
[05:31.720 --> 05:41.000]  [SPEAKER_13]: If you go to Google Maps and you look at a map of the world, you'll see that they actually spell out the country, not only in the word that it's spelled out, but in the alphabet that it's spelled out.
[05:41.140 --> 05:47.640]  [SPEAKER_13]: So Russia will be written in Cyrillic, but countries like Spain is Espanya.
[05:47.980 --> 05:48.420]  [SPEAKER_13]: Is that how you pronounce it?
[05:48.540 --> 05:48.820]  [SPEAKER_13]: Espanya.
[05:48.920 --> 05:49.280]  [SPEAKER_13]: Espanya.
[05:50.000 --> 05:51.040]  [SPEAKER_13]: Why don't we do that?
[05:51.140 --> 05:54.780]  [SPEAKER_13]: Why don't we call the countries the names that their own people call them?
[05:55.180 --> 05:56.320]  [SPEAKER_15]: We can say that word.
[05:56.340 --> 05:57.600]  [SPEAKER_15]: They call us Estados Unidos.
[05:57.920 --> 05:58.900]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, yeah.
[05:59.060 --> 06:04.780]  [SPEAKER_13]: If we all agree to just call ourselves what the country calls itself officially, I think we'd get along a lot better.
[06:05.700 --> 06:13.280]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, and I'd like to get a map that has all the countries written in the alphabet and language of the people there.
[06:13.320 --> 06:19.600]  [SPEAKER_15]: What about countries where there's a brutal argument over what language to use or over what script to write?
[06:19.640 --> 06:21.240]  [SPEAKER_13]: You could put a big slash through that or something.
[06:21.320 --> 06:21.640]  [SPEAKER_13]: I don't know.
[06:21.960 --> 06:25.800]  [SPEAKER_13]: There's all kinds of possibilities, but it's got to be better than the system we have now.
[06:26.460 --> 06:27.640]  [SPEAKER_15]: India's got 12 languages.
[06:27.640 --> 06:29.480]  [SPEAKER_15]: It would take up the whole country just to write the name.
[06:29.760 --> 06:30.360]  [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, yeah.
[06:30.540 --> 06:30.740]  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay.
[06:31.400 --> 06:34.020]  [SPEAKER_13]: So anyway, that's what's going to be happening next week.
[06:34.020 --> 06:39.560]  [SPEAKER_13]: And actually, when I get back in mid-May, I'm heading straight to Dayton, right, Bernie?
[06:40.640 --> 06:41.000]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[06:41.140 --> 06:42.920]  [SPEAKER_02]: What, you're going straight to Dayton from Kosovo?
[06:43.100 --> 06:47.440]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, it's kind of funny because the Dayton Accord was signed.
[06:47.680 --> 06:48.160]  [SPEAKER_13]: That's right.
[06:48.260 --> 06:48.620]  [SPEAKER_13]: Pretty much.
[06:48.780 --> 06:50.460]  [SPEAKER_13]: So everybody there is going to know where Dayton is.
[06:50.540 --> 07:00.740]  [SPEAKER_13]: I don't know if people here are going to know where Dayton is, but when I go over to former Yugoslavia and mention Dayton, I'll either, you know, have a boulder hurled at me or a firm handshake, depending on how they thought that worked out.
[07:01.380 --> 07:03.320]  [SPEAKER_13]: But, yeah, it wasn't planned that way.
[07:03.380 --> 07:04.140]  [SPEAKER_13]: Just a big coincidence.
[07:04.640 --> 07:05.320]  [SPEAKER_02]: Very interesting.
[07:05.560 --> 07:05.720]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[07:06.740 --> 07:08.180]  [SPEAKER_13]: You know, I want to talk about this last week.
[07:08.360 --> 07:14.540]  [SPEAKER_13]: We had Julian Assange on here last week from WikiLeaks, and that was a quite interesting show.
[07:14.540 --> 07:17.920]  [SPEAKER_15]: Is this the first time that we and Stephen Colbert have ever had the same guest?
[07:18.240 --> 07:18.600]  [SPEAKER_15]: Well, I was going to mention that.
[07:18.780 --> 07:23.280]  [SPEAKER_13]: We scooped Colbert Report yet again with another one of our guests.
[07:24.280 --> 07:27.080]  [SPEAKER_13]: And, yeah, he was on, what, two days ago?
[07:27.360 --> 07:27.700]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yesterday?
[07:28.000 --> 07:28.760]  [SPEAKER_15]: Something like that.
[07:28.820 --> 07:28.980]  [SPEAKER_15]: Yeah.
[07:29.160 --> 07:29.880]  [SPEAKER_13]: The other day, I think.
[07:30.160 --> 07:30.380]  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay.
[07:30.880 --> 07:33.640]  [SPEAKER_13]: And, yeah, so tune to Off The Hook.
[07:33.760 --> 07:37.860]  [SPEAKER_13]: You'll get the interesting people before the mainstream finds them.
[07:38.460 --> 07:48.420]  [SPEAKER_14]: I got to say, it was very interesting watching that Colbert interview because even Colbert, like, in character was sort of dropping the shtick and actually doing something like a straight interview, his Colbert character.
[07:48.580 --> 07:48.880]  [SPEAKER_14]: What do you mean?
[07:49.760 --> 07:50.120]  [SPEAKER_14]: Well...
[07:50.120 --> 07:50.700]  [SPEAKER_14]: What do you mean character?
[07:51.040 --> 07:55.360]  [SPEAKER_14]: You know, like, you know, like how I'm doing my character right now, and I'm really nothing like this in real life.
[07:55.700 --> 07:56.320]  [SPEAKER_14]: Oh, yeah.
[07:56.580 --> 07:56.700]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[07:57.880 --> 07:58.840]  [SPEAKER_13]: That's an understatement.
[07:58.960 --> 07:59.440]  [SPEAKER_13]: It really is.
[07:59.860 --> 08:02.040]  [SPEAKER_13]: Boy, when that microphone's off, look out.
[08:02.780 --> 08:09.880]  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay, so we did that last week, and it's fascinating finding out all that, and we hope to have him back.
[08:09.880 --> 08:12.360]  [SPEAKER_13]: We hope to have him at Hope, and other things like that.
[08:12.960 --> 08:22.900]  [SPEAKER_13]: But we didn't get to talk about what we did for April Fool's, which is something I really wanted to focus on because, you know, we sort of went to a bit of trouble, and we kind of dropped a hint about it.
[08:23.000 --> 08:25.900]  [SPEAKER_13]: It was the Thursday after the show previous to last week's.
[08:26.400 --> 08:36.060]  [SPEAKER_13]: So what happened was, if you went to the main 2600 page on April 1st, you had this big QR code taking up the entire page.
[08:36.120 --> 08:37.540]  [SPEAKER_13]: Anybody know what a QR code is?
[08:37.660 --> 08:38.300]  [SPEAKER_13]: Mike, yes, go ahead.
[08:38.300 --> 08:44.080]  [SPEAKER_15]: It's a big block of black and white little blocks that is a two-dimensional barcode.
[08:44.540 --> 08:45.860]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, that's one way of saying it.
[08:45.920 --> 08:46.460]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, I guess.
[08:48.020 --> 08:49.240]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, a barcode.
[08:49.880 --> 08:51.800]  [SPEAKER_13]: One of those modern-looking barcodes, I guess.
[08:51.900 --> 08:53.180]  [SPEAKER_13]: Where do you see it in other places?
[08:53.680 --> 08:56.620]  [SPEAKER_14]: You see it on UPS and FedEx packages, things like that.
[08:56.680 --> 08:56.880]  [SPEAKER_14]: True.
[08:57.100 --> 08:57.580]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yes, you do.
[08:57.720 --> 08:59.540]  [SPEAKER_13]: You don't see it on products so much.
[08:59.780 --> 09:00.180]  [SPEAKER_13]: Not yet.
[09:00.300 --> 09:00.580]  [SPEAKER_13]: Not yet.
[09:08.340 --> 09:14.140]  [SPEAKER_13]: Now, you can store, I think, up to 200 characters on these things, which is a lot.
[09:14.380 --> 09:17.900]  [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, considering it's just, as you say, this black and white image.
[09:18.000 --> 09:20.340]  [SPEAKER_13]: Although the one you had was, like, really big.
[09:20.500 --> 09:21.980]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, we sized it to fit.
[09:22.600 --> 09:23.360]  [SPEAKER_13]: That's a printing tool.
[09:23.400 --> 09:24.360]  [SPEAKER_13]: It wouldn't fit on my screen.
[09:26.480 --> 09:28.260]  [SPEAKER_13]: I'm not going to comment on your screen.
[09:28.920 --> 09:31.060]  [SPEAKER_13]: But basically, how would you read something like that?
[09:31.120 --> 09:35.360]  [SPEAKER_13]: If you come across a QR code, how would you possibly translate that?
[09:35.500 --> 09:42.320]  [SPEAKER_13]: Because people were banging their heads against walls trying to figure out what our site was up to, because that's all it had on it when you went to 2600.com that day.
[09:42.480 --> 09:48.260]  [SPEAKER_15]: A lot of mobile phones, a lot of smartphones, as they're called, have applications you can download that read them.
[09:48.700 --> 09:54.260]  [SPEAKER_15]: You can also buy a dedicated scanner, but that would be a bit much just to scan one code.
[09:54.360 --> 09:55.760]  [SPEAKER_13]: They've had these in Japan for years.
[09:56.000 --> 10:00.360]  [SPEAKER_13]: In fact, there's graffiti and stickers that people put up on walls.
[10:00.360 --> 10:04.600]  [SPEAKER_13]: And you take pictures with your cell phone over there, and you get the message, whatever the message is.
[10:04.860 --> 10:11.060]  [SPEAKER_13]: But in any event, if you figured out how to do that, you got a message saying, congratulations, you've decoded the message.
[10:11.200 --> 10:22.580]  [SPEAKER_13]: If you feel you're capable of something greater, send us an email at phase1 at 2600.com, along with a unique word in the body of your message that we'll ask you for later, if you make it that far.
[10:23.080 --> 10:25.120]  [SPEAKER_13]: And we put this up in the evening.
[10:25.240 --> 10:29.020]  [SPEAKER_13]: We put it right after the show, actually, on March 31st.
[10:29.060 --> 10:34.600]  [SPEAKER_13]: And we started getting emails almost immediately from people sending us unique words to phase one.
[10:34.840 --> 10:43.380]  [SPEAKER_13]: Now, what happened when you mailed phase one, there was an autoresponder that mailed you back and said, congratulations, you have successfully sent and received an email from us.
[10:43.580 --> 10:45.980]  [SPEAKER_13]: It may sound as if we're mocking you, but we're really not.
[10:46.260 --> 10:51.320]  [SPEAKER_13]: This actually could be a very significant moment in your life, if, in fact, you turn out to be a candidate.
[10:51.700 --> 10:56.820]  [SPEAKER_13]: We suggest you keep this communication in a safe place, you very well could be needing it.
[10:56.820 --> 10:57.420]  [SPEAKER_13]: Now,
[11:02.440 --> 11:04.940]  [SPEAKER_13]: there's a little clue there in that last sentence.
[11:05.700 --> 11:08.920]  [SPEAKER_13]: It wasn't go and find the secret message on the hope page.
[11:09.040 --> 11:11.620]  [SPEAKER_13]: It was go and find the secret message in the hope page.
[11:11.620 --> 11:14.000]  [SPEAKER_13]: And, Mike, what would you do in a situation like that?
[11:14.220 --> 11:16.060]  [SPEAKER_13]: I would visit hope.net.
[11:16.260 --> 11:17.160]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, okay, good, Mike.
[11:17.660 --> 11:19.700]  [SPEAKER_15]: And then I would inspect it carefully.
[11:19.700 --> 11:22.440]  [SPEAKER_15]: And if I didn't see anything, I'd open up the source.
[11:22.620 --> 11:23.220]  [SPEAKER_13]: That's, yes.
[11:23.720 --> 11:26.080]  [SPEAKER_13]: You get inside the page by looking at the source.
[11:26.220 --> 11:28.160]  [SPEAKER_13]: On your browser, you'll see a little thing that says view source.
[11:28.440 --> 11:33.420]  [SPEAKER_13]: And then you look in the source, and you'll find the message contained in there someplace.
[11:34.620 --> 11:34.980]  [SPEAKER_13]: Congratulations.
[11:35.840 --> 11:37.760]  [SPEAKER_13]: You have just discovered the secret message.
[11:38.260 --> 11:39.180]  [SPEAKER_13]: Three congratulations already.
[11:40.280 --> 11:44.800]  [SPEAKER_13]: Please call plus 1-801-436-7442.
[11:45.060 --> 11:46.020]  [SPEAKER_13]: Do not speak.
[11:46.460 --> 11:46.820]  [SPEAKER_13]: Listen.
[11:47.940 --> 11:48.820]  [SPEAKER_15]: Can we call it now?
[11:48.820 --> 11:49.400]  [SPEAKER_15]: Will it still work?
[11:49.540 --> 11:50.140]  [SPEAKER_13]: You know what?
[11:50.220 --> 11:50.960]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, let's do that.
[11:52.240 --> 11:53.740]  [SPEAKER_13]: How do we get a line here?
[11:54.500 --> 11:55.400]  [SPEAKER_13]: Done this a million times.
[11:55.480 --> 11:55.900]  [SPEAKER_13]: We have a dial tone?
[11:56.060 --> 11:56.220]  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay.
[11:56.760 --> 11:57.600]  [SPEAKER_13]: We're going to call that number.
[12:00.520 --> 12:01.440]  [SPEAKER_13]: What did I say it was?
[12:02.340 --> 12:02.700]  [SPEAKER_13]: 436.
[12:05.640 --> 12:06.120]  [SPEAKER_13]: 7442.
[12:10.340 --> 12:12.460]  [SPEAKER_13]: And I need the secret code, which I think I remember.
[12:13.560 --> 12:14.700]  [SPEAKER_13]: And let's hear what happens.
[12:22.980 --> 12:27.280]  [SPEAKER_16]: The phone number you have just called is actually spelling the name of a place.
[12:28.360 --> 12:32.140]  [SPEAKER_16]: Spell the capital of the name of that place backwards and add a com.
[12:32.960 --> 12:33.780]  [SPEAKER_13]: See you there.
[12:35.040 --> 12:37.200]  [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, how mysterious and strange.
[12:38.180 --> 12:38.780]  [SPEAKER_13]: Isn't it?
[12:39.940 --> 12:40.420]  [SPEAKER_13]: Sure.
[12:40.420 --> 12:41.800]  [SPEAKER_13]: What could that person mean?
[12:42.080 --> 12:43.740]  [SPEAKER_13]: It's the name of a place.
[12:43.740 --> 12:44.360]  [SPEAKER_15]: That person.
[12:45.500 --> 12:47.640]  [SPEAKER_13]: It's the name of a place.
[12:48.300 --> 12:49.740]  [SPEAKER_13]: And no, we're recording.
[12:49.900 --> 12:50.880]  [SPEAKER_13]: We're recording our...
[12:51.300 --> 12:51.860]  [SPEAKER_13]: We have...
[12:51.860 --> 12:56.700]  [SPEAKER_13]: The side benefit of this is that we have hundreds of recordings of people who have said God knows what.
[12:56.760 --> 12:57.420]  [SPEAKER_13]: We haven't listened to them yet.
[12:58.060 --> 12:59.320]  [SPEAKER_13]: And I don't know how long you can talk for.
[12:59.360 --> 13:00.020]  [SPEAKER_13]: I guess we'll find out.
[13:02.000 --> 13:03.800]  [SPEAKER_13]: But yes, it's the name of a place.
[13:04.840 --> 13:07.940]  [SPEAKER_13]: And I don't know how you would spell out the name of a place on the telephone dial.
[13:08.140 --> 13:09.400]  [SPEAKER_13]: Do you have a method of doing that?
[13:09.400 --> 13:10.580]  [SPEAKER_13]: Has anybody ever tried that?
[13:11.080 --> 13:14.000]  [SPEAKER_13]: Sending messages with phone characters?
[13:14.500 --> 13:15.280]  [SPEAKER_13]: Two is ABC.
[13:15.840 --> 13:16.460]  [SPEAKER_13]: Three is DEF.
[13:16.520 --> 13:17.000]  [SPEAKER_13]: Bernie, you've done it?
[13:17.360 --> 13:18.700]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I've done it.
[13:18.760 --> 13:21.840]  [SPEAKER_02]: There's systems that allow you to send messages that way, but it's really awkward.
[13:22.080 --> 13:22.500]  [SPEAKER_13]: It is.
[13:22.500 --> 13:29.740]  [SPEAKER_13]: Back before the days of cell phones and right at the beginning of the Bieber era, I used to send text messages to people in code.
[13:29.920 --> 13:35.180]  [SPEAKER_13]: For instance, hi there would be 4-4, because H and I are both on the 4 key.
[13:35.640 --> 13:40.380]  [SPEAKER_13]: And then there would be 8-4-3-7-3.
[13:40.640 --> 13:42.040]  [SPEAKER_13]: And then you'd have to figure it out.
[13:42.120 --> 13:49.320]  [SPEAKER_13]: You'd have to think in your head what letters go with the Touch-Tone and spell out the message that way and then respond to it in kind.
[13:49.800 --> 13:51.260]  [SPEAKER_13]: So that was a bit of fun.
[13:51.260 --> 13:52.580]  [SPEAKER_13]: So people had to do that here.
[13:53.120 --> 13:58.540]  [SPEAKER_13]: And after tearing their heads apart for a little while, eventually a bunch of people got it.
[13:58.840 --> 14:01.520]  [SPEAKER_13]: And they realized that the phone number spelled out Georgia.
[14:02.460 --> 14:05.140]  [SPEAKER_13]: It's pretty cool that we got 1-801-Georgia, don't you think?
[14:06.160 --> 14:06.520]  [SPEAKER_15]: Yeah.
[14:06.780 --> 14:07.420]  [SPEAKER_15]: Is it in Georgia?
[14:07.820 --> 14:08.640]  [SPEAKER_13]: What do you mean it's in Georgia?
[14:08.700 --> 14:09.740]  [SPEAKER_13]: No, I don't know where it is.
[14:09.780 --> 14:11.360]  [SPEAKER_13]: It's just a Google voice number.
[14:11.660 --> 14:13.120]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, it's 801.
[14:13.260 --> 14:13.860]  [SPEAKER_13]: It's got to be somewhere.
[14:13.860 --> 14:15.360]  [SPEAKER_13]: It could be orbiting the moon for all I know.
[14:15.500 --> 14:16.600]  [SPEAKER_13]: Nobody knows how those people work.
[14:17.360 --> 14:20.760]  [SPEAKER_13]: But it goes someplace and that message gets recorded.
[14:20.960 --> 14:22.920]  [SPEAKER_13]: And yes, 1-801-Georgia.
[14:23.020 --> 14:28.560]  [SPEAKER_13]: So according to the message that that person told us, it's the name of the place indeed.
[14:28.740 --> 14:30.760]  [SPEAKER_13]: We must spell the name of the capital backwards.
[14:30.820 --> 14:31.640]  [SPEAKER_13]: How do you spell it backwards?
[14:32.500 --> 14:33.780]  [SPEAKER_13]: First of all, do we know the name of the capital?
[14:35.220 --> 14:35.640]  [SPEAKER_13]: No.
[14:36.000 --> 14:36.200]  [SPEAKER_13]: No?
[14:36.320 --> 14:36.820]  [SPEAKER_13]: Nobody knows?
[14:37.000 --> 14:37.600]  [SPEAKER_13]: You say...
[14:38.140 --> 14:38.400]  [SPEAKER_13]: What?
[14:39.120 --> 14:41.180]  [SPEAKER_02]: You're talking about Georgia the country or Georgia the state?
[14:41.280 --> 14:42.720]  [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, you raise an interesting point, Bernie.
[14:42.780 --> 14:43.580]  [SPEAKER_13]: There are two Georgias.
[14:43.900 --> 14:46.180]  [SPEAKER_13]: There's a Georgia the state and there's a Georgia the country.
[14:46.360 --> 14:48.020]  [SPEAKER_13]: How many places like that exist?
[14:48.520 --> 14:48.880]  [SPEAKER_13]: Wow.
[14:49.040 --> 14:52.140]  [SPEAKER_13]: The fact that we got that phone number is simply stupendous.
[14:52.340 --> 14:54.000]  [SPEAKER_13]: So yeah, a lot of false leads.
[14:54.700 --> 15:00.720]  [SPEAKER_13]: You know, in retrospect, we didn't get the website atlanta.com backwards, which was available.
[15:00.840 --> 15:01.420]  [SPEAKER_13]: We should have done that.
[15:01.540 --> 15:02.720]  [SPEAKER_13]: It would have been a nice little false lead.
[15:03.120 --> 15:04.820]  [SPEAKER_13]: But no, in fact, it is the country.
[15:05.660 --> 15:08.000]  [SPEAKER_13]: And who knows the capital of Georgia the country?
[15:08.000 --> 15:08.200]  [SPEAKER_13]: Anybody?
[15:08.860 --> 15:09.700]  [SPEAKER_02]: Tbilisi or something?
[15:11.220 --> 15:13.160]  [SPEAKER_13]: Tbilisi, I think, is what you're trying to say.
[15:13.500 --> 15:13.680]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yes.
[15:13.680 --> 15:13.780]  [SPEAKER_13]: Right.
[15:14.100 --> 15:16.500]  [SPEAKER_13]: And even if you know that, spelling it is very difficult.
[15:17.700 --> 15:20.740]  [SPEAKER_13]: But it's spelled T-B-I-L-I-S-I.
[15:20.980 --> 15:24.720]  [SPEAKER_13]: So, of course, backwards, that's I-S-I-L-I-B-T.com.
[15:24.940 --> 15:28.560]  [SPEAKER_13]: So if you went to that website, you basically...
[15:28.920 --> 15:29.820]  [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, sorry.
[15:29.940 --> 15:31.160]  [SPEAKER_13]: Google Voice just said goodbye to us.
[15:31.660 --> 15:31.900]  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay.
[15:32.140 --> 15:32.520]  [SPEAKER_13]: Thank you.
[15:32.640 --> 15:34.080]  [SPEAKER_13]: I guess we have a nice long message there.
[15:34.600 --> 15:37.840]  [SPEAKER_13]: You went to ishilbit.com.
[15:38.460 --> 15:48.120]  [SPEAKER_13]: You basically got the entire United Nations Declaration of Human Rights displayed in front of you with the preface in front of it, read every word.
[15:48.520 --> 15:55.240]  [SPEAKER_13]: And if you read every word, eventually you'd get to the section of it that said Article 26.
[15:55.620 --> 16:02.460]  [SPEAKER_13]: And Article 26, Item 4 stated, find the secret message in this text and follow it to the letter.
[16:03.460 --> 16:07.920]  [SPEAKER_15]: What does the real declaration say in that place?
[16:08.060 --> 16:10.860]  [SPEAKER_13]: There is no Section 4 in Article 26.
[16:11.020 --> 16:11.740]  [SPEAKER_13]: There's only three.
[16:12.080 --> 16:13.380]  [SPEAKER_15]: What are one, two, and three?
[16:13.580 --> 16:14.880]  [SPEAKER_13]: I don't have it in front of me.
[16:15.240 --> 16:16.380]  [SPEAKER_13]: It's a long text.
[16:16.580 --> 16:20.340]  [SPEAKER_13]: This is our way of getting people to read that document because nobody ever reads that document.
[16:20.480 --> 16:21.740]  [SPEAKER_13]: And it's many pages long.
[16:21.860 --> 16:24.920]  [SPEAKER_13]: But basically, there was a hint in that little blurb there.
[16:25.060 --> 16:26.040]  [SPEAKER_13]: Follow it to the letter.
[16:26.040 --> 16:30.940]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, basically, if you look at the letters carefully, the capitalized letters spell a message.
[16:31.120 --> 16:33.720]  [SPEAKER_13]: And those capitalized letters spell the following message.
[16:33.880 --> 16:38.400]  [SPEAKER_13]: These are very noble words, but they're utterly irrelevant to your task today.
[16:38.840 --> 16:44.320]  [SPEAKER_13]: What you need to be doing is following the instructions spoken in the tweets of Ever Closer.
[16:45.800 --> 16:50.160]  [SPEAKER_13]: So, then, you had to go to twitter.com slash evercloser.
[16:51.000 --> 17:00.320]  [SPEAKER_13]: And when you did that, you got this line-by-line series of narratives that made it seem like something was being told to you.
[17:00.920 --> 17:02.840]  [SPEAKER_13]: Line number one, you're doing quite well.
[17:03.000 --> 17:04.680]  [SPEAKER_13]: Line number two, just be very careful.
[17:05.040 --> 17:07.720]  [SPEAKER_13]: Continuing, you don't want to make a mistake at this point.
[17:08.020 --> 17:09.980]  [SPEAKER_13]: Follow the instructions and you'll be fine.
[17:10.020 --> 17:12.720]  [SPEAKER_13]: But don't go any further if you don't think you're a candidate.
[17:12.720 --> 17:15.580]  [SPEAKER_13]: The results could be dot, dot, dot, unpleasant.
[17:16.200 --> 17:19.940]  [SPEAKER_13]: And this is where we started to learn things about some social networking sites.
[17:20.220 --> 17:22.320]  [SPEAKER_13]: We had three dots after that.
[17:22.860 --> 17:25.080]  [SPEAKER_13]: And then the words in brackets, think it over.
[17:25.280 --> 17:27.200]  [SPEAKER_13]: We want to put three dots after that again.
[17:27.200 --> 17:29.480]  [SPEAKER_13]: But you can't do that on Twitter.
[17:29.680 --> 17:31.140]  [SPEAKER_13]: They won't let you say the same thing twice.
[17:31.480 --> 17:31.880]  [SPEAKER_13]: What?
[17:32.020 --> 17:32.880]  [SPEAKER_13]: You can't say the same thing.
[17:33.060 --> 17:34.100]  [SPEAKER_13]: You already said that.
[17:34.160 --> 17:34.960]  [SPEAKER_13]: You can't say that again.
[17:35.540 --> 17:37.240]  [SPEAKER_13]: Maybe it's within a certain amount of time.
[17:37.240 --> 17:37.720]  [SPEAKER_13]: I don't know.
[17:37.840 --> 17:39.800]  [SPEAKER_13]: But we had to do two dots after that.
[17:39.800 --> 17:42.760]  [SPEAKER_13]: Then think some more in brackets and then one dot.
[17:43.020 --> 17:47.280]  [SPEAKER_13]: And then after that, we said, now, if you're sure, dot, dot, dot, proceed.
[17:47.600 --> 17:49.400]  [SPEAKER_13]: Send an email to phase two.
[17:49.620 --> 17:51.120]  [SPEAKER_13]: Use a different word this time.
[17:51.380 --> 17:52.480]  [SPEAKER_13]: Hold on to your two words.
[17:52.660 --> 17:53.340]  [SPEAKER_13]: They will matter.
[17:53.780 --> 17:54.800]  [SPEAKER_13]: Await our instructions.
[17:55.660 --> 18:00.980]  [SPEAKER_13]: And so, if you sent mail to phase two at 2600.com, guess what?
[18:01.080 --> 18:03.580]  [SPEAKER_13]: You got another auto response saying, congratulations.
[18:03.800 --> 18:06.860]  [SPEAKER_13]: You have successfully made it to the second phase of the operation.
[18:06.860 --> 18:14.240]  [SPEAKER_13]: As long as you continue to follow instructions and complete the mental exams we administer along the way, your path to candidacy will proceed smoothly.
[18:14.500 --> 18:15.320]  [SPEAKER_13]: Do not stray.
[18:15.740 --> 18:17.100]  [SPEAKER_13]: Remember, you are being watched.
[18:17.260 --> 18:17.720]  [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, yes.
[18:17.860 --> 18:20.220]  [SPEAKER_13]: And be sure to hold on to this communication as well.
[18:20.320 --> 18:21.700]  [SPEAKER_13]: You almost certainly will need it.
[18:22.080 --> 18:24.240]  [SPEAKER_13]: Could the answer be at gmail.com?
[18:24.520 --> 18:25.960]  [SPEAKER_13]: It can't hurt to explore.
[18:27.440 --> 18:29.800]  [SPEAKER_13]: Now, a couple of notes here.
[18:29.980 --> 18:32.100]  [SPEAKER_13]: For one thing, we did something very cruel at this stage.
[18:32.100 --> 18:36.900]  [SPEAKER_13]: We told people it can't hurt to explore, but actually, it could hurt very severely to explore.
[18:37.980 --> 18:42.940]  [SPEAKER_13]: We basically told people to email phase one at 2600 and phase two at 2600.
[18:43.100 --> 18:48.340]  [SPEAKER_13]: So, few people took it upon themselves to email phase three at 2600.com.
[18:48.400 --> 18:51.460]  [SPEAKER_13]: And if you did that, you got a response saying, congratulations.
[18:51.820 --> 18:58.400]  [SPEAKER_13]: By thinking outside of the box and emailing this address before we even mentioned it, you have shown the ability to anticipate a situation before it develops.
[18:58.400 --> 19:03.100]  [SPEAKER_13]: This is indeed a much sought-after skill, useful in a wide variety of applications.
[19:03.560 --> 19:04.520]  [SPEAKER_13]: But not here.
[19:05.020 --> 19:07.400]  [SPEAKER_13]: All we asked you to do was follow the instructions.
[19:07.700 --> 19:14.780]  [SPEAKER_13]: By emailing us here, you have shown that you cannot do that and that you're the kind of person who will be a royal pain in the ass by acting like an individual all the time.
[19:14.970 --> 19:16.880]  [SPEAKER_13]: Clearly, not what we want in a candidate.
[19:17.060 --> 19:18.180]  [SPEAKER_13]: You have been eliminated.
[19:19.100 --> 19:19.540]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[19:21.180 --> 19:22.440]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, you know, it had to be done.
[19:22.460 --> 19:25.660]  [SPEAKER_13]: And so many people did that and they were really upset.
[19:25.660 --> 19:26.710]  [SPEAKER_13]: I'm sorry about that.
[19:26.710 --> 19:29.250]  [SPEAKER_13]: But it was a cruel trick on our part, certainly.
[19:30.200 --> 19:31.340]  [SPEAKER_13]: But it had to be done.
[19:31.640 --> 19:32.730]  [SPEAKER_13]: That'll teach people to count.
[19:32.940 --> 19:38.490]  [SPEAKER_13]: But the other clue, the other clue in that phase two message, could the answer be at gmail.com?
[19:38.490 --> 19:40.880]  [SPEAKER_13]: Any theories as to what that might actually be?
[19:42.080 --> 19:42.470]  [SPEAKER_15]: No?
[19:42.710 --> 19:42.900]  [SPEAKER_15]: None?
[19:44.060 --> 19:45.340]  [SPEAKER_15]: A web mail provider.
[19:45.860 --> 19:47.620]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, yeah, that's what it is.
[19:47.960 --> 19:50.660]  [SPEAKER_13]: But no, not specifically that.
[19:51.540 --> 19:53.230]  [SPEAKER_13]: Hang on, I'm typing in a URL here.
[19:53.400 --> 19:55.340]  [SPEAKER_13]: But Bernie, no theories?
[19:57.360 --> 19:59.180]  [SPEAKER_02]: I would have been lost at this point.
[19:59.820 --> 20:02.060]  [SPEAKER_02]: I have to hand it to you guys for putting this together.
[20:02.280 --> 20:02.600]  [SPEAKER_02]: It's impressive.
[20:02.750 --> 20:08.200]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, well, it's funny that you should mention lost because all the references to candidates, of course, comes from that program.
[20:08.200 --> 20:11.780]  [SPEAKER_13]: But we were just having a bit of fun with that whole thing.
[20:12.020 --> 20:12.860]  [SPEAKER_13]: The fun was intended.
[20:13.100 --> 20:13.780]  [SPEAKER_13]: It was.
[20:13.860 --> 20:14.230]  [SPEAKER_13]: It really was.
[20:14.680 --> 20:22.140]  [SPEAKER_13]: But, yeah, what we basically did was set up a Gmail account through our amazing skills.
[20:22.420 --> 20:26.520]  [SPEAKER_13]: That was the account, couldtheanswerbeatgmail.com.
[20:26.640 --> 20:33.400]  [SPEAKER_13]: So if you emailed, couldtheanswerbeatgmail.com, you got a response saying, well, aren't you clever?
[20:33.600 --> 20:34.840]  [SPEAKER_13]: Actually, that's what the title of it was.
[20:35.280 --> 20:37.800]  [SPEAKER_13]: That took a bit of intelligence to figure out this email address.
[20:37.800 --> 20:38.400]  [SPEAKER_13]: Good for you.
[20:38.680 --> 20:44.940]  [SPEAKER_13]: Now, if you could just tell tiny URL the last name of Mauritania's prime minister, the real fun can begin.
[20:45.460 --> 20:47.400]  [SPEAKER_13]: And that's actually what I'm trying to type in right now.
[20:47.800 --> 20:52.970]  [SPEAKER_13]: Now, while I'm doing that, of course, one of you tell us what the real last name of the prime minister of Mauritania is.
[20:53.640 --> 20:56.780]  [SPEAKER_15]: I have no idea what the first name, even, of the prime minister of Mauritania.
[20:56.780 --> 20:57.320]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, we won't ask you for the first name.
[20:57.380 --> 20:58.280]  [SPEAKER_13]: We only need the last name.
[20:58.680 --> 21:00.700]  [SPEAKER_15]: I thought you were the prime minister of Mauritania.
[21:00.990 --> 21:01.960]  [SPEAKER_15]: No, no, clearly not.
[21:02.300 --> 21:03.490]  [SPEAKER_15]: Ex-prime minister, maybe.
[21:03.700 --> 21:06.300]  [SPEAKER_15]: But, you know, he's not even in Mauritania right now.
[21:06.300 --> 21:14.920]  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay, I have typed in, I've told TinyURL the last name of the Prime Minister, which, of course, is Mule Old Mohamed Lagdath.
[21:15.180 --> 21:15.820]  [SPEAKER_13]: Of course.
[21:15.940 --> 21:26.620]  [SPEAKER_13]: So if you simply spell out Lagdath to TinyURL, L-A-G-H-D-A-F, well then, you got transferred to YouTube.
[21:26.970 --> 21:36.160]  [SPEAKER_13]: And what I'm going to try to do now, and I say try because this is the WBAI computer here, I'm going to play you the YouTube video that shows up.
[21:36.160 --> 21:39.230]  [SPEAKER_13]: Obviously you can't see the video, but you can hear it, so let's take a listen.
[22:31.500 --> 22:33.240]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, okay, so that...
[22:33.240 --> 22:34.640]  [SPEAKER_15]: Did you just say that Paul was dead?
[22:35.500 --> 22:36.780]  [SPEAKER_13]: No, not in so many words.
[22:37.020 --> 22:44.520]  [SPEAKER_13]: But if you were looking at YouTube and watching that, you saw archive footage of North Korea from when I went over there.
[22:44.980 --> 22:50.820]  [SPEAKER_13]: It's basically a film of Kaesong, the city of Kaesong, where I was basically leaning out of a bus, taking video.
[22:51.180 --> 22:52.540]  [SPEAKER_13]: We played it backwards, of course.
[22:52.740 --> 22:55.220]  [SPEAKER_13]: You could see the cops standing in the middle of the street.
[22:55.340 --> 22:56.980]  [SPEAKER_13]: They have traffic cops there, male traffic cops.
[22:57.080 --> 22:58.320]  [SPEAKER_13]: Pyongyang has female traffic cops.
[22:58.420 --> 22:59.600]  [SPEAKER_13]: Kaesong has male traffic cops.
[22:59.600 --> 23:03.600]  [SPEAKER_13]: And it was just basically distorted to make it look like an old black and white film.
[23:04.660 --> 23:18.000]  [SPEAKER_13]: And the message played backwards was voice synthesis, automated computerized voices, that basically said, Welcome, your destiny is at last upon you.
[23:18.240 --> 23:18.980]  [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, wait a minute.
[23:19.040 --> 23:19.240]  [SPEAKER_13]: Hold on.
[23:19.280 --> 23:20.060]  [SPEAKER_13]: This is the wrong thing.
[23:20.280 --> 23:20.880]  [SPEAKER_13]: Hang on.
[23:22.620 --> 23:23.760]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, this is not it.
[23:24.700 --> 23:26.080]  [SPEAKER_13]: I don't think I have the text.
[23:26.080 --> 23:27.220]  [SPEAKER_13]: I don't think I have the text.
[23:27.780 --> 23:43.840]  [SPEAKER_13]: Basically, what we told people to do was basically go to Facebook and create an account if you didn't already have an account and apply for membership to a group known as Successful Candidates of the Next Hope.
[23:44.940 --> 23:52.840]  [SPEAKER_13]: And people who did that basically were put through a verification system where we looked for the words in the email and we made sure that they didn't do things too fast.
[23:52.860 --> 23:57.360]  [SPEAKER_13]: And we made sure they never emailed phase three and that they went through all the steps properly.
[23:57.460 --> 24:01.360]  [SPEAKER_13]: And then we sent them the message saying, Welcome, your destiny is at last upon you.
[24:01.420 --> 24:06.340]  [SPEAKER_13]: While you had to undergo a series of tests to confirm that you were a viable candidate, the truth is that you have always been a part of this group.
[24:06.840 --> 24:09.300]  [SPEAKER_13]: Deep inside, you've known this for a long time.
[24:09.300 --> 24:13.280]  [SPEAKER_13]: The others you will find here are the people that you have always been meant to join forces with.
[24:13.460 --> 24:17.880]  [SPEAKER_13]: As a result, you will remain a part of this group for the rest of your days on this planet.
[24:18.180 --> 24:20.040]  [SPEAKER_13]: The group transcends all other activities.
[24:20.360 --> 24:22.080]  [SPEAKER_13]: This is now your primary purpose.
[24:22.280 --> 24:26.900]  [SPEAKER_13]: Please converse and interact here as you would with any quote-unquote normal collection of individuals.
[24:26.900 --> 24:33.180]  [SPEAKER_13]: Just remember that what is discussed here and what is discussed between candidates is never to be disclosed outside of the group.
[24:33.460 --> 24:36.160]  [SPEAKER_13]: We don't have to tell you the consequences of working against the plan.
[24:36.160 --> 24:37.060]  [SPEAKER_13]: Actually, you know what?
[24:38.080 --> 24:41.520]  [SPEAKER_13]: I'm on shallow earth or deep water or whatever.
[24:41.540 --> 24:44.620]  [SPEAKER_13]: I shouldn't be reading this because this is sort of internal right now.
[24:45.880 --> 24:46.680]  [SPEAKER_13]: So basically...
[24:46.680 --> 24:49.260]  [SPEAKER_15]: Do we have the bleeping button ready to go?
[24:50.100 --> 24:51.120]  [SPEAKER_13]: It's too late for that.
[24:51.320 --> 24:51.900]  [SPEAKER_13]: It really is.
[24:52.060 --> 24:55.940]  [SPEAKER_13]: But basically, a number of people did pass muster.
[24:56.300 --> 24:57.640]  [SPEAKER_13]: And now they are part of a group.
[24:57.780 --> 24:59.720]  [SPEAKER_13]: They are part of the successful candidates of the next hope.
[24:59.780 --> 25:00.360]  [SPEAKER_13]: The group is closed.
[25:00.460 --> 25:01.880]  [SPEAKER_13]: No more people can be allowed in.
[25:03.220 --> 25:04.680]  [SPEAKER_13]: And they are conversing.
[25:04.860 --> 25:06.080]  [SPEAKER_13]: They are talking to each other.
[25:06.240 --> 25:07.340]  [SPEAKER_13]: They are planning things out.
[25:07.580 --> 25:09.820]  [SPEAKER_13]: And some changes are afoot.
[25:10.180 --> 25:11.280]  [SPEAKER_13]: And this is how it happens.
[25:11.360 --> 25:11.880]  [SPEAKER_13]: By being clever.
[25:12.000 --> 25:12.980]  [SPEAKER_13]: By figuring out puzzles.
[25:13.260 --> 25:17.640]  [SPEAKER_13]: And winding up in the same place with the people you are always meant to work with.
[25:17.760 --> 25:18.500]  [SPEAKER_13]: What do you think about that?
[25:19.380 --> 25:20.360]  [SPEAKER_13]: It's very advanced.
[25:20.400 --> 25:21.580]  [SPEAKER_13]: It was kind of scary, I think.
[25:22.600 --> 25:23.480]  [SPEAKER_13]: So, yeah.
[25:23.600 --> 25:24.640]  [SPEAKER_13]: That's what we did.
[25:24.860 --> 25:26.900]  [SPEAKER_13]: And that was April Fool's.
[25:27.160 --> 25:28.440]  [SPEAKER_13]: How many people do you think made it?
[25:28.760 --> 25:29.400]  [SPEAKER_13]: Any guesses?
[25:30.540 --> 25:30.980]  [SPEAKER_02]: Three.
[25:32.140 --> 25:33.060]  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm guessing three.
[25:33.340 --> 25:35.140]  [SPEAKER_13]: You know, I was thinking something like that, too.
[25:35.460 --> 25:40.480]  [SPEAKER_13]: We had one person actually get it right around, I think, midnight of the first day.
[25:40.620 --> 25:41.640]  [SPEAKER_13]: It got very fast.
[25:41.840 --> 25:44.740]  [SPEAKER_13]: Other people say they worked on it all day long at work.
[25:44.920 --> 25:47.180]  [SPEAKER_13]: They didn't accomplish anything that day.
[25:47.240 --> 25:49.220]  [SPEAKER_13]: They just basically were working on this puzzle.
[25:50.880 --> 25:53.380]  [SPEAKER_13]: And, no, in the end, we had about 30 or so.
[25:53.900 --> 25:54.300]  [SPEAKER_13]: Wow.
[25:54.380 --> 25:55.740]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, I was very surprised.
[25:55.840 --> 25:56.220]  [SPEAKER_13]: We were very amazed.
[25:56.300 --> 25:59.980]  [SPEAKER_13]: We had to be careful that we didn't see any indication of people telling people the answers.
[26:01.880 --> 26:04.240]  [SPEAKER_13]: We vetted were qualified.
[26:04.680 --> 26:06.400]  [SPEAKER_13]: And many thanks to them.
[26:06.500 --> 26:07.300]  [SPEAKER_13]: Congratulations to them.
[26:07.360 --> 26:09.620]  [SPEAKER_13]: Also, I want to thank Mark S.
[26:09.840 --> 26:10.700]  [SPEAKER_13]: and David B.
[26:10.920 --> 26:15.260]  [SPEAKER_13]: and Dotret for their work in putting this all together because it was a challenge.
[26:15.420 --> 26:16.580]  [SPEAKER_13]: It sounded kind of simple.
[26:16.700 --> 26:24.500]  [SPEAKER_13]: You know, I thought it would be fun to start with the QR code and take it from there and then sort of encompass all the social networking sites and do fun things with that.
[26:24.500 --> 26:29.840]  [SPEAKER_13]: But it sort of got out of hand and we started learning things that we didn't know about social networking sites.
[26:29.980 --> 26:36.120]  [SPEAKER_13]: Like, for instance, when you join Facebook with a new user and you send more than, I think, six messages to people, your account gets suspended.
[26:36.320 --> 26:37.780]  [SPEAKER_13]: We didn't know that at the time.
[26:37.780 --> 26:39.740]  [SPEAKER_13]: So we almost got ourselves locked out of the group.
[26:40.220 --> 26:42.280]  [SPEAKER_13]: So, yeah, that's the story there.
[26:43.540 --> 26:44.580]  [SPEAKER_13]: And Voltaire is here.
[26:46.000 --> 26:47.740]  [SPEAKER_13]: Did you really take a cab, Voltaire?
[26:47.840 --> 26:49.520]  [SPEAKER_13]: Because that was the slowest cab in the world.
[26:49.660 --> 26:51.040]  [SPEAKER_13]: Was it horse-drawn?
[26:51.340 --> 26:53.260]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, I took a cab to Wall Street.
[26:53.700 --> 26:54.760]  [SPEAKER_13]: Wall Street, New York?
[26:54.920 --> 26:55.120]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yes.
[26:55.260 --> 26:55.580]  [SPEAKER_13]: All right.
[26:56.620 --> 27:01.520]  [SPEAKER_11]: Because you messaged me, must have been 45 minutes ago from the East Village.
[27:02.020 --> 27:06.080]  [SPEAKER_11]: No, I was parking ultimately in the East Village, but at that time I was in the West Village.
[27:06.800 --> 27:11.760]  [SPEAKER_13]: You told me you were parking in the East Village, but you were actually in the West Village when you sent the message.
[27:12.020 --> 27:12.920]  [SPEAKER_12]: I was going to park.
[27:13.200 --> 27:13.780]  [SPEAKER_12]: Future tense.
[27:14.640 --> 27:16.060]  [SPEAKER_13]: This is why he's not a candidate.
[27:16.260 --> 27:16.760]  [SPEAKER_13]: You see?
[27:17.020 --> 27:18.760]  [SPEAKER_13]: It's also why one should never park.
[27:19.460 --> 27:22.240]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, yeah, with that logic, you'd be driving around permanently.
[27:22.480 --> 27:22.620]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[27:23.260 --> 27:23.680]  [SPEAKER_13]: All right.
[27:23.860 --> 27:25.360]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, let's continue.
[27:26.280 --> 27:29.700]  [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, I should point out, did you have the cab driver listening to the show?
[27:30.640 --> 27:31.000]  [SPEAKER_13]: No.
[27:31.160 --> 27:31.720]  [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, why not?
[27:31.740 --> 27:32.720]  [SPEAKER_13]: They always listen to the shows.
[27:33.300 --> 27:34.680]  [SPEAKER_13]: All cab drivers listen to Off The Hook.
[27:35.720 --> 27:40.960]  [SPEAKER_13]: We're telling Red Hack when he finally gets in here that the show is rescheduled to 6 p.m.
[27:40.980 --> 27:41.260]  [SPEAKER_13]: next week.
[27:41.340 --> 27:44.120]  [SPEAKER_13]: That way he'll show up on time when I'm not here and he engineers the show.
[27:44.240 --> 27:44.340]  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay.
[27:44.340 --> 27:46.280]  [SPEAKER_13]: So just keep that between you and the listeners.
[27:46.540 --> 27:47.360]  [SPEAKER_13]: Don't let him know.
[27:47.480 --> 27:48.900]  [SPEAKER_13]: Then you should tell me it's at 5 p.m.
[27:49.340 --> 27:49.660]  [SPEAKER_13]: No.
[27:49.820 --> 27:50.520]  [SPEAKER_13]: Why would he be listening?
[27:51.220 --> 27:52.860]  [SPEAKER_12]: No, you should tell me that it's at 5 p.m.
[27:52.940 --> 27:54.060]  [SPEAKER_11]: so that I can tell him...
[27:54.060 --> 27:54.740]  [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, but you're not engineering.
[27:54.960 --> 27:55.540]  [SPEAKER_11]: You can be late.
[27:55.720 --> 27:56.160]  [SPEAKER_11]: It's okay.
[27:56.760 --> 27:57.500]  [SPEAKER_15]: No, we can't.
[27:57.500 --> 28:00.100]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, no, people aren't going to be hurt by that.
[28:00.300 --> 28:01.660]  [SPEAKER_13]: But Red Hack is late.
[28:01.800 --> 28:04.020]  [SPEAKER_15]: Our audience will be deprived of his wisdom.
[28:04.120 --> 28:08.740]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, but our audience will be deprived of the opening theme and the archive if someone isn't here to do all that.
[28:09.320 --> 28:09.840]  [SPEAKER_13]: All right.
[28:10.100 --> 28:10.620]  [SPEAKER_13]: Mercy me.
[28:10.620 --> 28:12.640]  [SPEAKER_13]: We spent so much time on this that...
[28:12.640 --> 28:14.200]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, we spent a lot of time on it, too, beforehand.
[28:14.720 --> 28:19.040]  [SPEAKER_13]: But speaking of North Korea, this is a fun little story that was being passed around.
[28:20.100 --> 28:24.480]  [SPEAKER_13]: Details of a homegrown computer operating system developed by North Korea have emerged.
[28:24.520 --> 28:25.300]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yes, at last.
[28:25.300 --> 28:34.700]  [SPEAKER_13]: Information about Red Star, as it is known, was made public by a Russian blogger studying in North Korea who bought the program off the street.
[28:34.820 --> 28:38.200]  [SPEAKER_13]: I don't know how you can buy anything off the street in North Korea.
[28:38.300 --> 28:39.280]  [SPEAKER_13]: It doesn't really work that way.
[28:39.920 --> 28:46.780]  [SPEAKER_13]: Further analysis by a government institute in neighboring South Korea said the operating system is aimed at monitoring user activity.
[28:47.700 --> 28:50.540]  [SPEAKER_13]: However, very few North Koreans own a computer or have Internet access.
[28:50.720 --> 28:51.880]  [SPEAKER_13]: Almost none, actually.
[28:51.880 --> 28:56.200]  [SPEAKER_13]: Web content is, not surprisingly, heavily censored.
[28:56.800 --> 29:00.220]  [SPEAKER_13]: It's designed to control North Korea's own information security.
[29:00.300 --> 29:11.000]  [SPEAKER_13]: A report by South Korea's Science and Technology Police Institute said, Due to a few applicable programs available, Red Star will not even be easily distributed in North Korea, it added.
[29:11.360 --> 29:14.260]  [SPEAKER_13]: The Russian blogger, identified only as Mikhail...
[29:14.260 --> 29:15.840]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, that shouldn't be too hard to track down.
[29:15.840 --> 29:19.860]  [SPEAKER_13]: It could be bought in Pyongyang for around five US dollars.
[29:21.000 --> 29:21.160]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[29:21.320 --> 29:29.220]  [SPEAKER_13]: The operating system represents the determination of North Korea to advance its own computer technology based on its Juche self-reliance philosophy.
[29:29.220 --> 29:31.220]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yes, they injected that into the operating system as well.
[29:31.600 --> 29:46.240]  [SPEAKER_13]: The Red Star operating system uses a popular Korean folk song as its startup music and numbers years using a calendar which starts counting from the birth of state founder Kim Il-sung, making 2010 the 99th year, which means next year is year 100, you know.
[29:46.520 --> 29:53.480]  [SPEAKER_13]: If you guys want to go to North Korea, next year is going to be a blast because the 100th is basically the year 100.
[29:53.620 --> 29:57.920]  [SPEAKER_13]: You couldn't go with anything in the year 100 for us, but you have the opportunity to go there.
[29:58.040 --> 30:04.360]  [SPEAKER_13]: Literally everything in that country is renumbered by year based on the birth date of Kim Il-sung.
[30:04.540 --> 30:06.920]  [SPEAKER_14]: Is this operating system over there is year 100 compliant?
[30:07.560 --> 30:08.460]  [SPEAKER_13]: I hope so.
[30:08.540 --> 30:09.340]  [SPEAKER_13]: You know, that's a good question.
[30:09.340 --> 30:10.960]  [SPEAKER_13]: There might be a...
[30:10.960 --> 30:11.960]  [SPEAKER_13]: What do they call that?
[30:12.060 --> 30:12.720]  [SPEAKER_13]: A Y...
[30:13.300 --> 30:13.660]  [SPEAKER_13]: Y1H?
[30:15.140 --> 30:16.020]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, I suppose.
[30:16.160 --> 30:18.800]  [SPEAKER_13]: A YH or Y1H bug.
[30:19.320 --> 30:21.820]  [SPEAKER_13]: That's something to consider and to be worried about.
[30:21.960 --> 30:22.160]  [SPEAKER_13]: But yeah.
[30:22.360 --> 30:28.800]  [SPEAKER_13]: And you know, I don't know if you noticed, on the back of Time Out was a full page ad for the folks who do the North Korean tours.
[30:29.240 --> 30:34.160]  [SPEAKER_13]: My friends over there that I met and hung out with and really do a great job.
[30:34.740 --> 30:35.160]  [SPEAKER_13]: So yeah.
[30:35.700 --> 30:38.160]  [SPEAKER_13]: North Korea, operating systems, tours, 100.
[30:38.500 --> 30:39.420]  [SPEAKER_13]: It's pretty incredible.
[30:39.600 --> 30:40.980]  [SPEAKER_12]: We'd like to give those people a plug.
[30:41.900 --> 30:43.420]  [SPEAKER_11]: Do we know the names of the people?
[30:43.580 --> 30:44.260]  [SPEAKER_13]: Koyo Tours.
[30:44.400 --> 30:44.620]  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay.
[30:44.760 --> 30:44.980]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yes.
[30:45.160 --> 30:46.700]  [SPEAKER_13]: K-O-R-Y-O Tours.
[30:47.260 --> 30:48.540]  [SPEAKER_13]: And yeah, a lot of fun.
[30:49.520 --> 30:58.260]  [SPEAKER_13]: And in fact, I know a number of people, T-Prophet, Hanukkah, Sasha, who have gone over there, not with me, but on their own.
[30:58.620 --> 31:00.120]  [SPEAKER_13]: And we've all met the same people.
[31:00.280 --> 31:02.400]  [SPEAKER_13]: It's really, it's a fun thing to do.
[31:02.600 --> 31:05.480]  [SPEAKER_13]: Of course, you are going to North Korea, so you have to keep that in mind.
[31:05.560 --> 31:06.060]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yes, go ahead, Bernie.
[31:07.500 --> 31:14.240]  [SPEAKER_02]: Have you or any of us on the show seen this, or anyone else we know, seen this North Korean computer operating system?
[31:14.420 --> 31:15.700]  [SPEAKER_02]: Or is there a place you can download it?
[31:15.700 --> 31:25.240]  [SPEAKER_13]: I have not seen it, and I would be rather hesitant to give people links that might not be actually links to an operating system.
[31:25.240 --> 31:26.560]  [SPEAKER_13]: Who knows what they could be links to?
[31:26.880 --> 31:33.540]  [SPEAKER_13]: But if anybody we trust has a copy and is able to run it, we'd sure like to see it, then see what happens to you, maybe, and your computer.
[31:34.720 --> 31:35.160]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[31:35.420 --> 31:35.740]  [SPEAKER_15]: Absolutely.
[31:36.020 --> 31:39.600]  [SPEAKER_15]: I wonder how it compares to Nova, the Cuban distribution of Linux.
[31:40.060 --> 31:40.880]  [SPEAKER_15]: That's a good question.
[31:40.940 --> 31:41.840]  [SPEAKER_15]: Did we ever get a copy of that?
[31:42.020 --> 31:44.120]  [SPEAKER_13]: You can download it from their website.
[31:44.120 --> 31:49.780]  [SPEAKER_13]: Now, we went to Cuba, and you spent some time inside the computer lab.
[31:49.900 --> 31:50.040]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[31:50.340 --> 31:52.140]  [SPEAKER_15]: Nova had not been developed at that point.
[31:52.220 --> 31:52.360]  [SPEAKER_15]: Really?
[31:52.420 --> 31:53.220]  [SPEAKER_15]: But what were they using?
[31:54.140 --> 31:58.820]  [SPEAKER_15]: Mostly Windows with some Linux for propaganda effect.
[32:00.100 --> 32:00.940]  [SPEAKER_15]: Propaganda effect.
[32:01.620 --> 32:02.100]  [SPEAKER_15]: Okay.
[32:02.880 --> 32:10.540]  [SPEAKER_15]: Well, I mean, it's interesting because, right, they don't pay Microsoft for Windows, so it's as free as Linux is for them.
[32:10.540 --> 32:11.220]  [SPEAKER_15]: Mm-hmm.
[32:11.840 --> 32:17.900]  [SPEAKER_13]: This story, Rob, you found, which is a story that just sort of makes me smack my head hard.
[32:19.780 --> 32:24.720]  [SPEAKER_13]: Apparently, there's the Library of Congress, and this is not a joke.
[32:24.940 --> 32:29.460]  [SPEAKER_13]: The Library of Congress has acquired the entire Twitter archive.
[32:29.760 --> 32:30.560]  [SPEAKER_13]: In other words...
[32:30.560 --> 32:30.980]  [SPEAKER_13]: Finally.
[32:31.980 --> 32:40.900]  [SPEAKER_13]: In other words, every public tweet ever since Twitter's inception in March of 2006 will be archived digitally at the Library of Congress.
[32:41.540 --> 32:44.540]  [SPEAKER_13]: Now, Twitter processes more than 50 million tweets every day.
[32:44.940 --> 32:46.980]  [SPEAKER_13]: The total must be somewhere in the billions.
[32:47.800 --> 32:51.900]  [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, really, is this a priority?
[32:51.900 --> 32:55.480]  [SPEAKER_13]: Is this something that the Library of Congress really should even be thinking about?
[32:55.480 --> 32:56.700]  [SPEAKER_15]: I don't understand why they shouldn't.
[32:56.780 --> 33:00.300]  [SPEAKER_15]: First of all, it probably fits on, like, two hard drives at 140 characters each.
[33:01.600 --> 33:05.080]  [SPEAKER_15]: I mean, and for better or worse, this is, like, people are using this to communicate.
[33:05.080 --> 33:06.100]  [SPEAKER_15]: It's an important record.
[33:06.300 --> 33:06.540]  [SPEAKER_13]: Mm-hmm.
[33:06.540 --> 33:10.700]  [SPEAKER_13]: When you say public tweets, when I say public tweets, does that mean my tweets?
[33:10.980 --> 33:11.900]  [SPEAKER_13]: Or are they public?
[33:12.240 --> 33:13.380]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, how do you define public?
[33:13.620 --> 33:15.700]  [SPEAKER_13]: If your account is not locked, your tweets are public.
[33:15.840 --> 33:16.080]  [SPEAKER_13]: Really?
[33:16.360 --> 33:16.680]  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay.
[33:17.260 --> 33:19.100]  [SPEAKER_13]: What if I ban certain people?
[33:19.180 --> 33:19.620]  [SPEAKER_13]: Can I do that?
[33:20.400 --> 33:20.580]  [SPEAKER_13]: No.
[33:20.720 --> 33:21.960]  [SPEAKER_13]: What if I ban a Library of Congress?
[33:22.220 --> 33:22.480]  [SPEAKER_13]: Can I?
[33:22.560 --> 33:23.020]  [SPEAKER_13]: Can't do that.
[33:23.060 --> 33:23.220]  [SPEAKER_13]: No?
[33:23.380 --> 33:26.240]  [SPEAKER_13]: There's no robots.txt for a Library of Congress?
[33:26.880 --> 33:27.240]  [SPEAKER_13]: Wow.
[33:27.420 --> 33:32.120]  [SPEAKER_13]: What if I've said things that are very, like, you know, anti-Libbary of Congress, and now they know.
[33:32.360 --> 33:33.180]  [SPEAKER_13]: Now it's going to be there.
[33:33.200 --> 33:37.420]  [SPEAKER_15]: It doesn't mean that there's a human at the Library of Congress who's individually reading each one.
[33:38.140 --> 33:40.080]  [SPEAKER_13]: How do you find old tweets, though?
[33:40.140 --> 33:42.300]  [SPEAKER_13]: If I want to see what I said a year ago, I mean...
[33:42.300 --> 33:42.940]  [SPEAKER_13]: It's a real problem.
[33:43.080 --> 33:47.280]  [SPEAKER_13]: Other than hitting more at the bottom, and the thing keeps giving you the stupid whale every now and then.
[33:47.680 --> 33:48.620]  [SPEAKER_11]: Is this going to be better?
[33:48.840 --> 33:54.420]  [SPEAKER_12]: Actually, the Library of Congress thing does not solve this problem, but recently Google has.
[33:54.600 --> 33:58.980]  [SPEAKER_12]: And it hasn't solved this problem for good, but it's solved it for anybody that wants to use it for Google.
[33:59.200 --> 34:00.400]  [SPEAKER_12]: Because Twitter has a...
[34:00.780 --> 34:06.120]  [SPEAKER_12]: They're open about a lot of things, but their API doesn't let you search old things more than, like, two weeks old.
[34:06.400 --> 34:10.000]  [SPEAKER_12]: But now you can do it through Google, but Google is still paying them, basically.
[34:10.420 --> 34:13.500]  [SPEAKER_12]: And it would be better if they had, like, a more open-source API.
[34:13.700 --> 34:14.640]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, how would I do it through Google?
[34:14.780 --> 34:15.400]  [SPEAKER_12]: How would I...
[34:15.400 --> 34:16.100]  [SPEAKER_12]: Google...
[34:16.100 --> 34:16.920]  [SPEAKER_12]: I'm not sure...
[34:16.920 --> 34:20.220]  [SPEAKER_12]: Oh, on the left-hand side, they have, like, an option to then an update.
[34:20.440 --> 34:24.220]  [SPEAKER_12]: And they just released an update to that feature, like, a day or two ago.
[34:24.460 --> 34:27.520]  [SPEAKER_12]: And that's made it, like, go back until, like, 2006.
[34:27.840 --> 34:28.200]  [SPEAKER_12]: Interesting.
[34:28.400 --> 34:28.600]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay.
[34:29.160 --> 34:30.800]  [SPEAKER_14]: There are also ways to do it.
[34:30.840 --> 34:35.720]  [SPEAKER_14]: I've been on Twitter for about a year now, before which I was making fun of it pretty much on a daily basis.
[34:36.040 --> 34:38.280]  [SPEAKER_13]: And you've become a Twitter maniac at that time.
[34:38.380 --> 34:38.680]  [SPEAKER_13]: How many...
[34:38.680 --> 34:42.580]  [SPEAKER_13]: If you don't mind my asking, how many tweets have you produced in that year?
[34:42.580 --> 34:44.400]  [SPEAKER_13]: I think around 2,700.
[34:45.040 --> 34:45.760]  [SPEAKER_13]: 2,700?
[34:46.040 --> 34:46.260]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yes.
[34:46.500 --> 34:49.120]  [SPEAKER_13]: I don't know how many I've produced, but it's not anything near that amount.
[34:49.120 --> 34:49.780]  [SPEAKER_13]: We can find out.
[34:49.780 --> 34:50.440]  [SPEAKER_13]: We can find out.
[34:51.180 --> 34:51.840]  [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, my God.
[34:51.980 --> 34:53.340]  [SPEAKER_13]: The level of geekdom here is unbelievable.
[34:53.520 --> 34:55.900]  [SPEAKER_13]: Using your phone to find out how many tweets I've had in the last year.
[34:56.040 --> 34:56.600]  [SPEAKER_13]: It's all right.
[34:56.600 --> 35:02.140]  [SPEAKER_14]: Well, I was getting curious about stuff I wrote early in my Twitter presence, so...
[35:02.140 --> 35:03.100]  [SPEAKER_14]: Your early Twitter years.
[35:03.180 --> 35:04.080]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, my early Twitter year.
[35:04.080 --> 35:04.940]  [SPEAKER_13]: You can tell the difference.
[35:05.100 --> 35:05.900]  [SPEAKER_13]: You can see Rob T.
[35:06.020 --> 35:09.500]  [SPEAKER_13]: Firefly when he was a Twitter novice, and now...
[35:09.500 --> 35:10.820]  [SPEAKER_14]: My rose period of Twitter.
[35:11.060 --> 35:19.320]  [SPEAKER_14]: But there are lots of apps out there that will let you back up your tweets and download a local copy to, like, a CSV file or an Excel spreadsheet or anything that you like.
[35:19.700 --> 35:20.580]  [SPEAKER_14]: Because why?
[35:21.400 --> 35:23.380]  [SPEAKER_14]: Because I guess if you don't want to depend on...
[35:23.380 --> 35:28.300]  [SPEAKER_14]: Like, I'm usually really not one to depend on external systems to maintain any of my own data.
[35:28.640 --> 35:33.640]  [SPEAKER_14]: So, like, any external blogs and things like that, I tend to back them up and just want to hold on to a copy because you never know when they'll disappear.
[35:33.660 --> 35:38.980]  [SPEAKER_13]: You know, this is a great idea for a talk at Hope, for somebody to have their entire talk presented as a series of tweets.
[35:39.220 --> 35:43.740]  [SPEAKER_13]: You know, like, on the overhead projector, you don't have any diagrams or graphs or anything like that.
[35:43.800 --> 35:45.040]  [SPEAKER_13]: It's all just tweets.
[35:45.160 --> 35:46.620]  [SPEAKER_13]: And that's how you present the thing.
[35:46.720 --> 35:48.140]  [SPEAKER_13]: You cannot deviate from the script.
[35:48.320 --> 35:48.960]  [SPEAKER_13]: That's what I want to see.
[35:49.140 --> 35:50.040]  [SPEAKER_13]: Speakers at Hope.net.
[35:50.040 --> 35:50.880]  [SPEAKER_13]: Let's see who's got the guts.
[35:50.980 --> 35:52.580]  [SPEAKER_13]: How many do you think you've sent?
[35:53.540 --> 35:54.580]  [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, how many have I sent?
[35:54.840 --> 35:55.820]  [SPEAKER_13]: Tweets of my entire life?
[35:55.900 --> 35:56.040]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[35:56.480 --> 35:57.080]  [SPEAKER_13]: Your whole life.
[35:57.180 --> 35:58.960]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, how long have I been on?
[35:58.980 --> 35:59.740]  [SPEAKER_13]: Can you tell me that at least?
[36:00.540 --> 36:00.820]  [SPEAKER_15]: Maybe.
[36:01.180 --> 36:01.420]  [SPEAKER_15]: No.
[36:01.660 --> 36:02.220]  [SPEAKER_13]: You can't tell me that.
[36:02.300 --> 36:03.740]  [SPEAKER_13]: You see, the one bit of information I want...
[36:03.740 --> 36:04.060]  [SPEAKER_15]: It's classified.
[36:04.320 --> 36:05.540]  [SPEAKER_15]: I'm on my phone, all right?
[36:05.640 --> 36:06.140]  [SPEAKER_15]: If I were on my computer...
[36:06.140 --> 36:08.040]  [SPEAKER_13]: Doesn't it say member since or something like that?
[36:08.040 --> 36:08.740]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, but not on my phone.
[36:08.760 --> 36:09.340]  [SPEAKER_13]: Not on your phone.
[36:10.120 --> 36:12.020]  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay, I'm going to guess maybe...
[36:12.680 --> 36:12.960]  [SPEAKER_13]: Maybe...
[36:12.960 --> 36:13.860]  [SPEAKER_13]: How many do you have, Rob?
[36:14.400 --> 36:14.960]  [SPEAKER_13]: 2,700.
[36:15.100 --> 36:15.400]  [SPEAKER_13]: 2,700.
[36:15.580 --> 36:17.940]  [SPEAKER_13]: I'm going to guess maybe like two or 300.
[36:18.880 --> 36:19.160]  [SPEAKER_15]: 325.
[36:19.160 --> 36:19.240]  [SPEAKER_15]: 325.
[36:19.420 --> 36:19.800]  [SPEAKER_13]: There you go.
[36:19.900 --> 36:20.560]  [SPEAKER_13]: See, I know myself.
[36:22.740 --> 36:23.100]  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay.
[36:23.400 --> 36:24.400]  [SPEAKER_13]: That means I'm winning at Twitter.
[36:24.580 --> 36:25.140]  [SPEAKER_13]: How about you, Mike?
[36:25.300 --> 36:26.440]  [SPEAKER_13]: How many tweets have you had?
[36:27.180 --> 36:28.180]  [SPEAKER_13]: Just over 1,000.
[36:28.560 --> 36:28.800]  [SPEAKER_13]: Uh-huh.
[36:28.980 --> 36:29.160]  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay.
[36:30.300 --> 36:30.800]  [SPEAKER_13]: All right.
[36:31.560 --> 36:32.820]  [SPEAKER_13]: Here's a letter from...
[36:32.820 --> 36:33.460]  [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, yes, go ahead, Bernie.
[36:34.000 --> 36:38.140]  [SPEAKER_02]: I just want to say your story that you brought up about Library of Congress archiving Twitter.
[36:38.700 --> 36:44.300]  [SPEAKER_02]: The Library of Congress website also says, quote, So if you think a Library of Congress is just books, think of this.
[36:44.560 --> 36:48.640]  [SPEAKER_02]: The Library of Congress has been collecting materials from the web since it began harvesting...
[36:49.160 --> 36:52.660]  [SPEAKER_02]: Congressional and presidential campaign websites in 2000.
[36:53.080 --> 37:04.380]  [SPEAKER_02]: Today, we hold more than 167 terabytes of web-based information, including legal blogs, websites of candidates for national office, and websites of members of Congress.
[37:04.720 --> 37:05.600]  [SPEAKER_02]: And it goes on.
[37:05.720 --> 37:07.320]  [SPEAKER_02]: So they're archiving a lot of stuff.
[37:08.200 --> 37:08.380]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[37:08.520 --> 37:09.980]  [SPEAKER_13]: They can't seem to mind their own business.
[37:10.280 --> 37:10.760]  [SPEAKER_13]: Not that much.
[37:11.800 --> 37:12.440]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, let's...
[37:12.440 --> 37:12.900]  [SPEAKER_13]: You can...
[37:12.900 --> 37:13.700]  [SPEAKER_13]: It's what, like...
[37:13.700 --> 37:15.300]  [SPEAKER_13]: Who's archiving my Facebook post?
[37:15.400 --> 37:16.040]  [SPEAKER_13]: That's what I want to know.
[37:16.300 --> 37:16.700]  [SPEAKER_15]: No one.
[37:17.040 --> 37:17.260]  [SPEAKER_13]: Ah.
[37:17.440 --> 37:18.220]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, that's a real problem, isn't it?
[37:18.220 --> 37:19.860]  [SPEAKER_15]: Well, they should partner with the Library of Congress.
[37:21.060 --> 37:23.920]  [SPEAKER_12]: I was going to say, archive.org, I think, has gotten into the petabytes.
[37:24.100 --> 37:25.540]  [SPEAKER_12]: So they're a lot larger, actually.
[37:26.140 --> 37:27.340]  [SPEAKER_12]: Just with tweets or with...
[37:27.340 --> 37:28.100]  [SPEAKER_12]: With everything.
[37:28.240 --> 37:28.660]  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay, good.
[37:28.800 --> 37:29.020]  [SPEAKER_13]: All right.
[37:29.300 --> 37:30.920]  [SPEAKER_13]: Hopefully, some important things are being archived.
[37:30.920 --> 37:35.260]  [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, you know, I'd like to be able to find old news stories or things that are out of print.
[37:35.480 --> 37:36.380]  [SPEAKER_13]: That would be kind of useful.
[37:36.660 --> 37:39.180]  [SPEAKER_14]: I'm just wondering what the Library of Congress is going to do with these tweets.
[37:39.220 --> 37:44.080]  [SPEAKER_14]: Because one thing about the Twitter's terms of service is that people retain the rights to their own posts.
[37:44.440 --> 37:49.540]  [SPEAKER_14]: So what if some people have them licensed restrictively or licensed under Creative Commons or something like that?
[37:49.620 --> 37:50.420]  [SPEAKER_14]: How will they be reused?
[37:50.500 --> 37:53.340]  [SPEAKER_14]: Will it be in line with all these users' sort of wishes?
[37:54.560 --> 37:55.600]  [SPEAKER_14]: Interesting times ahead.
[37:56.440 --> 37:57.140]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yes, Voltaire.
[37:57.140 --> 38:06.220]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, I think that the Library of Congress will do what the Internet Archive also does, which is not release stuff to the public generally unless...
[38:06.220 --> 38:08.900]  [SPEAKER_12]: I mean, the only few things, but most of the stuff will be kept private.
[38:09.180 --> 38:16.360]  [SPEAKER_12]: And the stuff that is released and that you can access, like, if you go to them physically, is public domain, as is all government documents.
[38:16.720 --> 38:17.060]  [SPEAKER_12]: Bernie?
[38:18.020 --> 38:25.700]  [SPEAKER_02]: I was just saying, if anybody wants to get those questions answered, they can go to loc.gov to visit the Library of Congress's website.
[38:27.400 --> 38:31.280]  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay, let's take a look at some listener mail, because we've had a bunch of that come in.
[38:31.700 --> 38:35.420]  [SPEAKER_13]: And we'll be taking phone calls, 212-209-2900.
[38:36.360 --> 38:37.940]  [SPEAKER_13]: Please don't call to ask about the T-shirts.
[38:38.060 --> 38:38.980]  [SPEAKER_13]: You know, they're all being sent.
[38:40.260 --> 38:42.080]  [SPEAKER_13]: That's the answer that we always give.
[38:42.780 --> 38:44.500]  [SPEAKER_13]: And the Raptor Firefly has designed them.
[38:44.580 --> 38:45.440]  [SPEAKER_13]: They're really nice.
[38:45.460 --> 38:48.140]  [SPEAKER_13]: But it is a bit early for the fundraiser that just ended.
[38:48.280 --> 38:49.960]  [SPEAKER_13]: The one before that, we are working on...
[38:49.960 --> 38:55.140]  [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, one thing, if you have a Cory Doctorow book coming to you, we actually, we kind of messed this up.
[38:55.700 --> 38:56.740]  [SPEAKER_13]: Just signed them when he was here.
[38:56.900 --> 38:57.840]  [SPEAKER_13]: He's coming back in May.
[38:57.980 --> 39:00.200]  [SPEAKER_13]: He's going to sign them, and we're going to send those out in May.
[39:00.280 --> 39:03.940]  [SPEAKER_13]: So that's the only thing that's really been delayed significantly as a result.
[39:04.040 --> 39:05.640]  [SPEAKER_13]: Everything else, we should be pretty much caught up to.
[39:05.680 --> 39:06.000]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yes, Voltaire?
[39:06.160 --> 39:09.480]  [SPEAKER_11]: If you do want to talk about T-shirts, feel free to tweet about it.
[39:09.600 --> 39:13.380]  [SPEAKER_12]: And maybe one day when we're looking at the Library of Congress, we'll find it.
[39:13.540 --> 39:16.300]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, go to the Library of Congress with your gripes about that.
[39:16.920 --> 39:21.080]  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay, dear Off The Hook, I have been reading the MAG for five years now.
[39:21.160 --> 39:23.760]  [SPEAKER_13]: I have recently started listening to the Off The Hook podcast.
[39:24.360 --> 39:25.440]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, that's what we are now.
[39:25.460 --> 39:26.000]  [SPEAKER_13]: We're a podcast.
[39:26.460 --> 39:27.520]  [SPEAKER_13]: I like the program.
[39:27.680 --> 39:28.780]  [SPEAKER_13]: The variety of topics discussed.
[39:28.920 --> 39:33.240]  [SPEAKER_13]: You know, for those of you listening on the pod or whatever, we are also a radio show.
[39:33.360 --> 39:41.000]  [SPEAKER_13]: We broadcast over the air from the Empire State Building in New York City to four different states, you know, at 99.5 FM.
[39:41.000 --> 39:43.620]  [SPEAKER_13]: So it's more than just a podcast.
[39:43.920 --> 39:46.740]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yes, but we also remain popular amongst groups of whales.
[39:47.780 --> 39:49.000]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, yeah, it's true.
[39:49.220 --> 39:51.340]  [SPEAKER_13]: And we're also on DVD.
[39:51.680 --> 39:52.580]  [SPEAKER_13]: There are archives available.
[39:52.900 --> 39:54.800]  [SPEAKER_13]: People can be listening to shows from 20 years ago.
[39:55.040 --> 39:55.560]  [SPEAKER_13]: Anything's possible.
[39:55.760 --> 39:56.900]  [SPEAKER_13]: Anyway, I like the program.
[39:57.000 --> 39:57.880]  [SPEAKER_13]: The variety of topics discussed.
[39:58.200 --> 40:07.560]  [SPEAKER_13]: The show elevates any common person willing to listen to a whole new level of awareness on how advancing technologies work and to look at everything from a different point of view.
[40:07.720 --> 40:11.800]  [SPEAKER_15]: The only problem with that is that our audiences consist of uncommon people mostly.
[40:12.060 --> 40:12.560]  [SPEAKER_13]: That's true.
[40:12.560 --> 40:14.900]  [SPEAKER_13]: But they become uncommon by listening to WBAI.
[40:15.000 --> 40:15.100]  [SPEAKER_13]: Oh.
[40:15.340 --> 40:15.480]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[40:15.980 --> 40:18.880]  [SPEAKER_13]: Hats off to you guys on the interview to the founder of WikiLeaks.
[40:18.980 --> 40:36.800]  [SPEAKER_13]: It is amazing how many crimes and unjustified behavior goes unpunished because of lack of public information, which obviously not even the mainstream media has access to, or if they do, are many times not willing to put themselves in the line of fire because of sponsors or personal lack of character or many other reasons.
[40:37.080 --> 40:40.740]  [SPEAKER_13]: Thanks to System Crash from Puerto Rico for those kind words.
[40:42.800 --> 40:44.320]  [SPEAKER_13]: Here's a letter from Mike.
[40:44.600 --> 40:45.140]  [SPEAKER_13]: Not you, Mike.
[40:45.280 --> 40:45.620]  [SPEAKER_13]: Different Mike.
[40:45.840 --> 40:49.600]  [SPEAKER_13]: I have a question that's been nagging me recently for purely theoretical reasons.
[40:49.820 --> 40:56.160]  [SPEAKER_13]: In the past, you folks on the show, as well as speakers at Hope, have talked about the ease of tracking mobile phones by authorities.
[40:56.560 --> 40:59.720]  [SPEAKER_13]: You've mentioned that one has to take the battery out to prevent being tracked.
[40:59.860 --> 41:03.520]  [SPEAKER_13]: However, is this still the case if the phone is in airplane mode?
[41:03.580 --> 41:06.460]  [SPEAKER_13]: Should this not prevent any trackable transmissions?
[41:06.800 --> 41:08.560]  [SPEAKER_13]: Can you answer, Mike, Bernie?
[41:09.420 --> 41:13.500]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I actually emailed Mike back, and it was a very good question.
[41:13.500 --> 41:24.360]  [SPEAKER_02]: The airplane mode, if people aren't familiar with it, is a mode that a lot of smartphones have where you can tell it to not transmit so that you won't be subject to...
[41:25.120 --> 41:26.220]  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I thought I lost you.
[41:26.520 --> 41:29.140]  [SPEAKER_02]: ...not subject to interfere with the avionics.
[41:29.140 --> 41:39.060]  [SPEAKER_02]: But a piece of malware, a software, spyware, could be on your phone that would falsely report your phone is in airplane mode and still spy on you.
[41:39.220 --> 41:47.260]  [SPEAKER_02]: So the only way to really be sure your phone is not spying on you at any particular moment is to remove its power source, which is just battery.
[41:47.520 --> 41:51.260]  [SPEAKER_02]: So if you take the battery out, you can be sure that your phone is not spying on you at that moment.
[41:52.060 --> 41:52.460]  [SPEAKER_15]: Okay.
[41:52.780 --> 42:01.040]  [SPEAKER_15]: It also depends on how powerful your enemies are and how much you want to hide from them, if you need to do this or not.
[42:02.380 --> 42:02.800]  [SPEAKER_14]: All right.
[42:02.920 --> 42:03.140]  [SPEAKER_14]: Rob?
[42:03.360 --> 42:07.300]  [SPEAKER_14]: This is what makes me miss the days when a phone was basically a box of three fancy transducers.
[42:07.820 --> 42:08.320]  [SPEAKER_14]: Uh-huh.
[42:08.460 --> 42:09.760]  [SPEAKER_14]: No malware, no infections.
[42:10.800 --> 42:11.460]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, yeah.
[42:11.620 --> 42:13.120]  [SPEAKER_13]: I have yet to get a virus on my phone.
[42:13.260 --> 42:14.640]  [SPEAKER_13]: I don't intend to.
[42:14.700 --> 42:16.080]  [SPEAKER_14]: Bugs could actually crawl into them.
[42:16.080 --> 42:17.340]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, that's true, too.
[42:17.620 --> 42:18.000]  [SPEAKER_13]: That's true.
[42:18.700 --> 42:25.240]  [SPEAKER_13]: Many times I found when I was opening up a junction box, you know, I legitimately had to, to fix something the phone company couldn't fix.
[42:25.400 --> 42:26.980]  [SPEAKER_13]: I found all kinds of insects in there.
[42:27.640 --> 42:28.700]  [SPEAKER_13]: So how it works sometimes.
[42:29.200 --> 42:31.000]  [SPEAKER_13]: Here's another letter to you off the crew.
[42:31.340 --> 42:32.640]  [SPEAKER_13]: This is a rather interesting story, actually.
[42:32.780 --> 42:46.060]  [SPEAKER_13]: About a year and a half ago, I wrote you out of frustration and desperation after learning of the rather underhanded practices being used by Quest and Verizon, the two big telcos in the Portland area, to effectively shut out of the local market the small ISP I worked with,
[42:46.080 --> 42:49.700]  [SPEAKER_13]: work for, and all the other small independent ISPs in the area.
[42:50.080 --> 42:58.760]  [SPEAKER_13]: To briefly recap, Quest has been performing, quote, equipment upgrades, unquote, at their COs and neighborhood cans for their new higher-speed DSL products.
[42:59.120 --> 43:08.640]  [SPEAKER_13]: These upgrades generate such intense interference to older DSL signals that 7 megabit a second customers can wind up reduced to merely 1.5 megabit a second.
[43:08.780 --> 43:12.680]  [SPEAKER_13]: And 1.5 megabit a second customers are often unable to remain connected at all.
[43:12.680 --> 43:22.700]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, Verizon has been pushing their Fios service, which only affects individual residences, but still removes any ability of the residents to choose an Internet provider as there is no option to go back.
[43:23.440 --> 43:36.340]  [SPEAKER_13]: With your advice in hand from that last email exchange, I approached the IT manager at the time and urged him to put together some new company policies, such as providing form letters for customers who had been slammed or had their service degraded, among other things.
[43:36.500 --> 43:44.680]  [SPEAKER_13]: I encouraged the phone support techs to inform customers of their rights and asked them to write their state and local representatives about such things, as well as the State Utilities Commission.
[43:44.820 --> 43:53.040]  [SPEAKER_13]: I even inquired as to whether we could drum up enough support to file a class action suit on behalf of the aforementioned slammed and disrupted customers.
[43:53.580 --> 43:57.840]  [SPEAKER_13]: It is with great sadness that I must report that all of these efforts were for naught.
[43:58.160 --> 44:05.460]  [SPEAKER_13]: The IT manager, who has since cut and run, actively discouraged the creation of any such form letters or urging of customers to take action.
[44:06.180 --> 44:08.840]  [SPEAKER_13]: As far as I know, not a single customer did so on their own.
[44:08.840 --> 44:18.260]  [SPEAKER_13]: And perhaps, most disappointingly, we have pulled all advertising funding for our DSL and dial-up products with the accountant declaring access is dead.
[44:18.660 --> 44:32.360]  [SPEAKER_13]: This is especially troubling given the recent court decision of Comcast versus the FCC, which more or less seems to have killed any ability the latter had to enforce so-called net neutrality, at least as far as cable Internet is concerned.
[44:32.940 --> 44:40.020]  [SPEAKER_13]: On a positive note, we do still have several thousand access customers and have pledged to uphold the principles of net neutrality as long as we can continue to do so.
[44:40.760 --> 44:48.220]  [SPEAKER_13]: We've also been able to move the company in a slightly different direction, web hosting as opposed to just access, ensuring all of us can keep our jobs.
[44:48.380 --> 45:02.760]  [SPEAKER_13]: Sadly, it's only a matter of time before we lose the rest of those DSL customers, be it through upgrades by the telcos, subsidized pricing that we can't possibly match, or some new legislation that makes it impossible for a small eight-person operation to continue providing Internet access.
[45:03.260 --> 45:11.360]  [SPEAKER_13]: The worst part is, most folks won't even realize they've lost the ability to choose an Internet provider, and that is what I mourn, losing the freedom of choice.
[45:11.860 --> 45:18.540]  [SPEAKER_13]: Thanks, Javier, for the most enlightening letter, and rather sad and true, I think.
[45:18.660 --> 45:18.940]  [SPEAKER_13]: Voltaire?
[45:19.100 --> 45:31.880]  [SPEAKER_12]: I might be mistaken, but I think the FCC has the power to regulate, even after this decision, if they still are able to regulate DSL, they're just not able to regulate cable or fiber optic connections.
[45:32.160 --> 45:33.560]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, well, this is all related.
[45:34.060 --> 45:47.240]  [SPEAKER_13]: When you make it... We've had the same issues with our DSL connection for years, and it's more a state issue than FCC issue when the local phone company is messing things up quite a bit.
[45:47.380 --> 45:54.760]  [SPEAKER_13]: But yeah, the net neutrality, that's more of a national thing, and that's what the recent case was all about.
[45:55.000 --> 45:56.680]  [SPEAKER_13]: It sort of gives Comcast more power.
[45:56.740 --> 45:57.200]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yes, go ahead, Bernie.
[45:58.260 --> 46:05.560]  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure many of our listeners remember the days when you could choose from a long list of local Internet service providers.
[46:06.080 --> 46:07.200]  [SPEAKER_02]: It was really great.
[46:07.400 --> 46:17.140]  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, each service provider had its own sort of character and ways of doing things, and the freedom of choice for people has really diminished greatly.
[46:17.820 --> 46:18.780]  [SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of sad.
[46:19.720 --> 46:23.560]  [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know if any others of us have comments about that.
[46:24.760 --> 46:26.400]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, I just remember the old days.
[46:26.580 --> 46:27.580]  [SPEAKER_13]: Rob, you remember the old days, right?
[46:27.800 --> 46:28.840]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, I miss the old days.
[46:29.260 --> 46:30.460]  [SPEAKER_13]: We seem to be saying that a lot.
[46:30.880 --> 46:37.240]  [SPEAKER_14]: I remember my first, you know, proper Internet service provider that wasn't out of, you know, a disk attached to a magazine.
[46:37.860 --> 46:42.180]  [SPEAKER_14]: And, you know, it was a little operation on Long Island, and very nice people working there.
[46:42.360 --> 46:45.200]  [SPEAKER_14]: And every so often, we would, you know, I would call the support line for some reason.
[46:45.500 --> 46:51.120]  [SPEAKER_14]: And after the, after the problem was fixed, we'd end up just chatting about geeky stuff, because there was a guy who was in town and a nice guy.
[46:51.520 --> 46:53.500]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, good luck doing that with the major phone companies.
[46:53.660 --> 46:54.900]  [SPEAKER_13]: We're going to try to take some phone calls now.
[46:55.020 --> 46:56.920]  [SPEAKER_13]: 212-209-2900.
[46:57.580 --> 46:58.440]  [SPEAKER_13]: Let's see who's out there.
[46:58.560 --> 46:58.920]  [SPEAKER_13]: Good evening.
[46:59.080 --> 46:59.820]  [SPEAKER_13]: You're on Off The Hook.
[47:01.180 --> 47:01.500]  [SPEAKER_05]: Hello.
[47:01.860 --> 47:02.600]  [SPEAKER_13]: Hi, what's on your mind?
[47:03.480 --> 47:03.800]  [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[47:03.980 --> 47:05.180]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I had a question.
[47:05.280 --> 47:06.180]  [SPEAKER_05]: Let me turn my radio down.
[47:06.240 --> 47:06.860]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yes, please do.
[47:07.660 --> 47:08.180]  [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[47:08.820 --> 47:24.000]  [SPEAKER_05]: I had a question about replacing, using satellite dish, and taking the horn, taking the, I guess, the extender, the microphone, I'm not sure exactly what you call it.
[47:24.000 --> 47:26.740]  [SPEAKER_13]: Is it the LNB, the thing that sticks, that points to the satellite?
[47:27.340 --> 47:28.140]  [SPEAKER_05]: Exactly, yeah.
[47:28.140 --> 47:28.220]  [SPEAKER_05]: All right.
[47:29.300 --> 47:34.080]  [SPEAKER_05]: Taking that and replacing it with a Linksys router, or some sort of...
[47:34.080 --> 47:35.740]  [SPEAKER_13]: No, I don't think that's what we're talking about.
[47:37.060 --> 47:38.620]  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay, I'm not a satellite expert.
[47:38.820 --> 47:40.460]  [SPEAKER_13]: Does anybody here know anything about this?
[47:40.580 --> 47:41.060]  [SPEAKER_13]: Bernie, maybe?
[47:41.360 --> 47:42.880]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, you can actually do that.
[47:43.000 --> 47:49.160]  [SPEAKER_02]: You can use the parabolic reflector of a, like a DirecTV or a dish network or some other sort of satellite dish.
[47:49.780 --> 47:51.900]  [SPEAKER_02]: You can use that as a reflector for Wi-Fi.
[47:51.900 --> 47:56.580]  [SPEAKER_02]: You have to make sure that the antenna is properly placed at the focal point.
[47:56.760 --> 48:04.800]  [SPEAKER_02]: But other people have done this, and the only downside is parabolas are very, very, very specific.
[48:05.080 --> 48:06.200]  [SPEAKER_02]: You have to get and point it just right.
[48:06.300 --> 48:09.920]  [SPEAKER_02]: But you can get a lot of gain and gain great distance with your Wi-Fi connection that way.
[48:10.940 --> 48:11.160]  [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
[48:11.260 --> 48:13.320]  [SPEAKER_06]: And there's nowhere to really point it.
[48:13.940 --> 48:15.260]  [SPEAKER_06]: So I would...
[48:16.520 --> 48:22.300]  [SPEAKER_02]: You could mount it on an old TV antenna rotor, turn it that way.
[48:22.380 --> 48:28.080]  [SPEAKER_02]: And there are actually commercial satellite dish antenna pointers you can buy, too.
[48:28.160 --> 48:29.020]  [SPEAKER_02]: That's a little more pricey.
[48:29.080 --> 48:31.060]  [SPEAKER_02]: But you could rig something up if you're a good hardware hacker.
[48:31.800 --> 48:32.240]  [SPEAKER_13]: All right.
[48:32.340 --> 48:33.420]  [SPEAKER_13]: Thanks for that call.
[48:33.640 --> 48:35.000]  [SPEAKER_13]: And let's see who else is out there.
[48:35.660 --> 48:36.240]  [SPEAKER_13]: Good evening.
[48:36.440 --> 48:37.220]  [SPEAKER_13]: You're on Off The Hook.
[48:37.600 --> 48:37.960]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yes.
[48:38.100 --> 48:45.380]  [SPEAKER_07]: The earthquake in China comes on the eve of a major concert in the Bird's Nest Stadium in Beijing, April 17th.
[48:45.380 --> 48:47.460]  [SPEAKER_07]: It's a worldwide TV Internet.
[48:49.100 --> 48:49.660]  [SPEAKER_07]: Major... Hello?
[48:50.200 --> 48:52.480]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, I'm just trying to make you louder because I don't think you're loud enough.
[48:52.620 --> 48:53.980]  [SPEAKER_07]: I've already been planning to gather.
[48:54.240 --> 48:54.600]  [SPEAKER_07]: Hello?
[48:54.900 --> 48:55.020]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[48:55.080 --> 48:56.980]  [SPEAKER_13]: No, I'm just trying to make you louder because you're not loud enough.
[48:57.080 --> 49:14.520]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I was saying that the Chinese earthquake that occurred in the past 24 hours, comes on the eve of a major April 17th concert, uh, live from the Bird's Nest Stadium, uh, in Beijing, that the original theme was going to be, uh, uh, ecology and peace,
[49:14.660 --> 49:17.140]  [SPEAKER_07]: but now you've had this, uh, tragic earthquake.
[49:17.360 --> 49:21.840]  [SPEAKER_07]: I want to alert people who are interested in China to this event.
[49:22.940 --> 49:24.940]  [SPEAKER_07]: And, uh, uh, any comment?
[49:26.180 --> 49:27.920]  [SPEAKER_13]: No, I think you pretty much said it all.
[49:28.220 --> 49:29.220]  [SPEAKER_13]: Uh, yeah.
[49:29.660 --> 49:30.540]  [SPEAKER_13]: Uh, yeah.
[49:30.700 --> 49:32.280]  [SPEAKER_13]: Is he calling us from China?
[49:32.300 --> 49:33.160]  [SPEAKER_13]: I don't know where he's calling us.
[49:33.160 --> 49:37.100]  [SPEAKER_13]: He's calling us from a very loud place, but, but I got the word out about the concert.
[49:37.200 --> 49:37.840]  [SPEAKER_13]: That's the important thing.
[49:37.920 --> 49:40.920]  [SPEAKER_13]: I thought he was going to tell us to go back to China or, or no, it's a different guy.
[49:41.060 --> 49:41.400]  [SPEAKER_13]: Same guy.
[49:41.440 --> 49:42.020]  [SPEAKER_13]: I don't know.
[49:43.060 --> 49:47.000]  [SPEAKER_13]: But, yeah, uh, much, uh, sympathy to the people who, uh, uh, endured yet another earthquake.
[49:47.140 --> 49:47.940]  [SPEAKER_13]: I don't know what's going on in this world.
[49:48.280 --> 49:48.940]  [SPEAKER_13]: Uh, good evening.
[49:49.040 --> 49:49.560]  [SPEAKER_13]: You're on Off The Hook.
[49:50.320 --> 49:51.160]  [SPEAKER_04]: Good evening, Emmanuel.
[49:51.380 --> 49:52.600]  [SPEAKER_04]: This is Bobson from Bulgaria.
[49:52.880 --> 49:54.180]  [SPEAKER_13]: You called Off the Wall last night.
[49:54.220 --> 49:54.440]  [SPEAKER_13]: Wow.
[49:54.540 --> 49:55.400]  [SPEAKER_13]: You're calling both shows.
[49:55.540 --> 49:55.560]  [SPEAKER_13]: I did.
[49:55.720 --> 49:56.540]  [SPEAKER_13]: From, from Bulgaria.
[49:56.800 --> 50:03.100]  [SPEAKER_04]: The reason I'm calling today, well, too, but actually, you were talking about Twitter for a while.
[50:03.420 --> 50:03.700]  [SPEAKER_08]: We were.
[50:03.740 --> 50:09.240]  [SPEAKER_04]: I was wondering if you heard about the French person who was, who got into trouble last month.
[50:09.240 --> 50:10.040]  [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, we talked about that.
[50:10.120 --> 50:16.340]  [SPEAKER_13]: We talked about, uh, he, uh, supposedly got access to Barack Obama's Twitter account or, or might have had access to something like that.
[50:16.420 --> 50:19.360]  [SPEAKER_13]: And, uh, I think we concluded that it wasn't that big a deal, right?
[50:19.900 --> 50:29.980]  [SPEAKER_04]: When I heard, when I first heard about it, uh, on some TV station with news, they said he got admin access to Twitter.
[50:31.700 --> 50:43.400]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, he got admin access and he could basically, I guess, get access to any Twitter account because apparently they just have a single password that gives you administrator access, which, uh, I think is a fascinating revelation.
[50:43.680 --> 50:44.200]  [SPEAKER_13]: I'm sorry, go ahead.
[50:45.560 --> 50:57.060]  [SPEAKER_04]: Another thing I wanted, uh, you mentioned, uh, you had some, you forgot to get Corey Dr. wrote or signed the books that you have to send out, something like that.
[50:57.400 --> 51:02.700]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yes, we, we basically, uh, he came to the States and we somehow didn't get him to sign.
[51:02.900 --> 51:05.000]  [SPEAKER_13]: I think we didn't know the exact number we needed at the time.
[51:05.380 --> 51:07.720]  [SPEAKER_13]: So we didn't want him to sign too many or too few.
[51:08.380 --> 51:09.700]  [SPEAKER_13]: And, uh, and he lives in England.
[51:09.780 --> 51:15.980]  [SPEAKER_13]: So, uh, shipping all the books over to England to have him sign them, uh, and shipping them all the way back would have been prohibitively expensive.
[51:16.020 --> 51:21.440]  [SPEAKER_13]: Of course, what we could have done, we could have faked the signatures and told everybody that it was Corey Dr. of the signature, but we don't do things like that.
[51:21.600 --> 51:28.120]  [SPEAKER_13]: We'd rather, we'd rather people get angry at us and hurl all kinds of invectives saying that these books have taken months to get to us.
[51:28.280 --> 51:29.280]  [SPEAKER_13]: What's wrong with you people?
[51:29.580 --> 51:33.160]  [SPEAKER_13]: Then do something, uh, untrustworthy, like forge someone's signature.
[51:33.300 --> 51:34.620]  [SPEAKER_13]: We could have gotten away with it, but we didn't.
[51:34.720 --> 51:39.020]  [SPEAKER_13]: He's going to be in, um, in the States in May and, uh, we'll have him signed then.
[51:39.120 --> 51:41.000]  [SPEAKER_13]: And then they'll be sent out shortly afterwards.
[51:42.280 --> 51:45.060]  [SPEAKER_04]: Well, that's what I wanted to tell you about.
[51:45.280 --> 51:47.040]  [SPEAKER_04]: Do you have his phone number in England?
[51:47.040 --> 51:47.220]  [SPEAKER_04]: Don't.
[51:47.460 --> 51:50.140]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, we'll, we'll, we'll broadcast that over the air a little bit later on.
[51:51.200 --> 51:52.900]  [SPEAKER_13]: No, I don't, I don't, I don't have his phone number.
[51:53.620 --> 51:54.020]  [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely not.
[51:54.040 --> 51:54.460]  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, you don't?
[51:54.540 --> 51:55.100]  [SPEAKER_13]: No, no.
[51:56.720 --> 51:58.400]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, I don't use the phone anyway.
[51:59.920 --> 52:00.600]  [SPEAKER_14]: I never have.
[52:00.700 --> 52:01.420]  [SPEAKER_14]: I don't like the phone.
[52:02.220 --> 52:02.860]  [SPEAKER_14]: Go ahead, Rob.
[52:03.100 --> 52:05.360]  [SPEAKER_14]: Corey, Corey Dr. of is an avid, uh, blogger.
[52:05.520 --> 52:10.600]  [SPEAKER_14]: So I'm sure if you go to his website and go to his blog, you can contact him that way if, uh, if you wish to contact Corey Dr. of directly.
[52:10.780 --> 52:10.920]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yes.
[52:10.940 --> 52:11.580]  [SPEAKER_13]: Listen, we're going to move on.
[52:11.660 --> 52:18.880]  [SPEAKER_13]: I do hope, uh, we get to meet up at some point because your country borders on Serbia and I'll be passing through and we can at least, uh, we can make the train honk or something as we go by.
[52:19.760 --> 52:20.080]  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[52:20.360 --> 52:20.680]  [SPEAKER_13]: All right.
[52:20.800 --> 52:21.220]  [SPEAKER_13]: Have fun.
[52:21.320 --> 52:21.600]  [SPEAKER_13]: All right.
[52:22.340 --> 52:26.140]  [SPEAKER_13]: And, uh, yeah, I hope to hear from a bunch of people over there at any of the former Yugoslav republics.
[52:26.280 --> 52:27.560]  [SPEAKER_13]: oth@2600.com.
[52:27.640 --> 52:29.540]  [SPEAKER_13]: Give us a, an email, a shout of some sort.
[52:30.060 --> 52:30.420]  [SPEAKER_13]: Good evening.
[52:30.540 --> 52:31.040]  [SPEAKER_13]: You're on Off The Hook.
[52:32.580 --> 52:33.120]  [SPEAKER_13]: Speak up.
[52:33.860 --> 52:34.180]  [SPEAKER_17]: Hello.
[52:34.400 --> 52:34.920]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yes, go ahead.
[52:35.440 --> 52:35.640]  [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah.
[52:35.780 --> 52:37.480]  [SPEAKER_17]: Go to the table below your bunch of...
[52:37.480 --> 52:37.920]  [SPEAKER_13]: All right.
[52:37.960 --> 52:40.240]  [SPEAKER_13]: I think that's, that's a different guy, isn't it?
[52:40.480 --> 52:40.860]  [SPEAKER_13]: Good evening.
[52:41.000 --> 52:41.500]  [SPEAKER_13]: You're on Off The Hook.
[52:42.340 --> 52:42.660]  [SPEAKER_17]: Hello.
[52:42.840 --> 52:43.280]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yes, go ahead.
[52:43.760 --> 52:44.000]  [SPEAKER_17]: Hi.
[52:44.140 --> 52:44.400]  [SPEAKER_17]: Good evening.
[52:46.680 --> 53:01.480]  [SPEAKER_17]: I just discovered that came out late yesterday, Tuesday, about, uh, Yahoo and Google and the Electronic Frontier Foundation, among others, challenging a, uh, government, uh, request for emails, uh, to be turned over to them that are under 180 days old,
[53:01.580 --> 53:02.620]  [SPEAKER_17]: uh, without a Fourth Amendment.
[53:02.840 --> 53:08.340]  [SPEAKER_13]: I, I did see this earlier today that, uh, that EFF was supporting, uh, Yahoo, uh, fighting this.
[53:08.580 --> 53:10.140]  [SPEAKER_13]: Uh, Yahoo doesn't want to have to turn this over.
[53:10.320 --> 53:11.740]  [SPEAKER_13]: I, I, I don't know much more than that.
[53:11.880 --> 53:12.740]  [SPEAKER_13]: Uh, would you like to fill us in?
[53:12.740 --> 53:14.620]  [SPEAKER_17]: Uh, well, I don't know too much.
[53:14.680 --> 53:18.000]  [SPEAKER_17]: I, I, I came across it in the, uh, online version in Wired.
[53:18.580 --> 53:23.520]  [SPEAKER_17]: Um, the, simply the government's position is that the, uh, Fourth Amendment does not protect those emails.
[53:24.360 --> 53:32.080]  [SPEAKER_17]: And, um, let's see, um, uh, of course, the issue is whether they can access them without probable cause.
[53:32.520 --> 53:36.940]  [SPEAKER_17]: And, uh, the exact nature of the messages, uh, was not even revealed as far as I can tell right now.
[53:37.140 --> 53:39.420]  [SPEAKER_17]: I guess this is going to unfold a little more before it goes.
[53:39.740 --> 53:44.380]  [SPEAKER_17]: But for the first time, we have Yahoo and Google actually on the same side, which, which is refreshing.
[53:44.580 --> 53:51.080]  [SPEAKER_13]: I'm sure they've been on the same side before, but, uh, it's good to see, uh, sometimes, uh, everyone making the right decision here, I think.
[53:51.600 --> 53:52.740]  [SPEAKER_13]: Thanks, uh, thanks for that.
[53:53.060 --> 53:54.440]  [SPEAKER_13]: Um, 212-209-2900.
[53:54.660 --> 53:55.920]  [SPEAKER_13]: Let's see if we can squeeze in a couple more.
[53:55.980 --> 53:56.240]  [SPEAKER_13]: Good evening.
[53:56.340 --> 53:56.880]  [SPEAKER_13]: You're on off the hook.
[53:57.880 --> 54:00.260]  [SPEAKER_03]: Didn't I tell you to go to Cuba, you commie?
[54:00.620 --> 54:01.460]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, but we did.
[54:01.580 --> 54:03.060]  [SPEAKER_13]: We went to Cuba and we came back.
[54:03.460 --> 54:05.680]  [SPEAKER_13]: You didn't say we couldn't come back.
[54:05.680 --> 54:06.000]  [SPEAKER_13]: Right?
[54:06.080 --> 54:06.840]  [SPEAKER_13]: Did we do something wrong?
[54:07.500 --> 54:07.820]  [SPEAKER_13]: Apparently.
[54:08.020 --> 54:08.800]  [SPEAKER_13]: He's very angry.
[54:08.820 --> 54:10.340]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, he did seem a little perturbed, didn't he?
[54:11.020 --> 54:11.860]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, we went to Cuba.
[54:11.940 --> 54:15.700]  [SPEAKER_13]: You don't have to keep ask us to go to Cuba or demanding that we go to Cuba because we did that already.
[54:15.840 --> 54:16.260]  [SPEAKER_11]: That's what's here.
[54:16.580 --> 54:18.220]  [SPEAKER_11]: Not all of us have gone to Cuba, I think.
[54:18.240 --> 54:19.560]  [SPEAKER_11]: Well, you know, whose fault is that?
[54:19.700 --> 54:22.320]  [SPEAKER_11]: I think we need a sponsor like, uh, that caller.
[54:22.960 --> 54:26.320]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, yeah, you know, uh, as journalists, we can go over there anytime we want.
[54:26.440 --> 54:27.240]  [SPEAKER_13]: I'll go again.
[54:27.400 --> 54:27.980]  [SPEAKER_13]: I don't mind.
[54:28.200 --> 54:30.980]  [SPEAKER_13]: And I have a European passport now, so I can go anytime I want anyway.
[54:31.540 --> 54:32.200]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yes, I can.
[54:32.340 --> 54:32.620]  [SPEAKER_13]: I will.
[54:32.620 --> 54:35.260]  [SPEAKER_14]: The tourism board there, I think, is getting really aggressive.
[54:36.420 --> 54:37.800]  [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, you think that's where he's calling from?
[54:38.020 --> 54:38.580]  [SPEAKER_14]: Oh, maybe.
[54:39.320 --> 54:41.660]  [SPEAKER_14]: Expensive to call us from Cuba just to shout at us.
[54:41.680 --> 54:42.200]  [SPEAKER_13]: One more call.
[54:42.300 --> 54:42.640]  [SPEAKER_13]: One more call.
[54:42.700 --> 54:43.040]  [SPEAKER_13]: Good evening.
[54:43.160 --> 54:43.740]  [SPEAKER_13]: You're on Off The Hook.
[54:44.600 --> 54:44.820]  [SPEAKER_01]: Hello.
[54:45.040 --> 54:47.420]  [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I wonder if that gentleman had ever been to Cuba himself.
[54:47.600 --> 54:49.960]  [SPEAKER_13]: You know, he really, he should go.
[54:50.060 --> 54:50.540]  [SPEAKER_13]: He really should.
[54:50.620 --> 54:51.380]  [SPEAKER_13]: He should check it out.
[54:51.460 --> 54:52.480]  [SPEAKER_13]: I think he'd be amazed.
[54:52.640 --> 54:55.880]  [SPEAKER_13]: I think he'd be, uh, delighted by the many things that they have over there.
[54:56.140 --> 55:04.620]  [SPEAKER_01]: Let me ask you guys the most general question I could ask you guys, which is suppose someone's, uh, pretty ignorant when it comes to computers and the Internet and so on.
[55:04.800 --> 55:08.400]  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, just sends your basic emails, has a Facebook account, that kind of thing.
[55:08.800 --> 55:09.920]  [SPEAKER_01]: Is there a book?
[55:10.040 --> 55:20.280]  [SPEAKER_01]: Is there a single piece of literature that a person could get their hands on that would help them, uh, start on the road towards being more computer literate, more computer savvy, and so on?
[55:20.360 --> 55:23.980]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, there are a million books that, uh, will teach you things about computers.
[55:24.240 --> 55:27.460]  [SPEAKER_13]: Uh, just go to any bookstore and look for, uh, dummies guide to various things.
[55:27.560 --> 55:31.800]  [SPEAKER_13]: Of course, I'm going to recommend the best of 2600 if you want to get into the hacker world and see what the spirit is all about.
[55:32.440 --> 55:36.300]  [SPEAKER_13]: Uh, but, uh, yeah, I think there's a treasure trove of information out there.
[55:36.360 --> 55:37.800]  [SPEAKER_13]: Just search on Amazon, go to a bookstore.
[55:38.460 --> 55:40.820]  [SPEAKER_13]: Um, you can find all kinds of interesting things there.
[55:40.920 --> 55:42.440]  [SPEAKER_13]: But that's going to have to be, uh, the last word.
[55:42.560 --> 55:45.660]  [SPEAKER_13]: I do want to, uh, I do want to get, uh, people to, uh, submit talks.
[55:45.800 --> 55:46.800]  [SPEAKER_13]: We're running out of time.
[55:46.920 --> 55:51.260]  [SPEAKER_13]: Running out of time for people to submit talks to, uh, to the Hope Conference, which is coming up in July of this year.
[55:51.340 --> 55:53.680]  [SPEAKER_13]: Go to www.hope.net for all the information.
[55:54.080 --> 55:58.500]  [SPEAKER_13]: Email speakers at hope.net if you want to, uh, uh, register a talk.
[55:58.900 --> 56:01.640]  [SPEAKER_13]: Volunteers at hope.net if you want to volunteer and help out in various ways.
[56:02.520 --> 56:03.340]  [SPEAKER_13]: Um, anything else?
[56:03.460 --> 56:04.760]  [SPEAKER_13]: Any other email addresses we should give out?
[56:05.300 --> 56:09.160]  [SPEAKER_15]: Uh, probably, but they can go on the website, hope.net, and, and see all about it.
[56:09.340 --> 56:09.960]  [SPEAKER_13]: It's all there.
[56:10.140 --> 56:11.400]  [SPEAKER_13]: Voltaire and then Rob, and then we're out of here.
[56:11.600 --> 56:17.200]  [SPEAKER_11]: And if you do want to sponsor us to go to Cuba, you can, uh, you know, OTA to 20th Center with your PayPal details.
[56:17.380 --> 56:17.840]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, please.
[56:18.000 --> 56:19.300]  [SPEAKER_11]: We'll, we'll, we'll take the money right out of it.
[56:19.560 --> 56:21.840]  [SPEAKER_14]: Also, if you're, if you're interested in hope, uh, get involved.
[56:21.960 --> 56:23.340]  [SPEAKER_14]: Talk.hope.net is our forum.
[56:23.620 --> 56:24.320]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yes, yes.
[56:24.480 --> 56:27.160]  [SPEAKER_13]: Very much, uh, like, uh, for there to be more activity there.
[56:27.300 --> 56:32.280]  [SPEAKER_13]: You know, we, we're going to try to get more involved ourselves, but talk.hope.net, excellent way to ask questions and get the answers right away.
[56:32.660 --> 56:33.060]  [SPEAKER_13]: All right.
[56:33.140 --> 56:34.660]  [SPEAKER_13]: I'm off to, uh, former Yugoslavia.
[56:35.140 --> 56:36.980]  [SPEAKER_13]: I'll speak to you from somewhere over there next week.
[56:37.360 --> 56:39.660]  [SPEAKER_13]: And, uh, we'll be back at that point too.
[56:39.740 --> 56:40.980]  [SPEAKER_13]: OTA to 2600.com.
[56:41.260 --> 56:41.460]  [SPEAKER_13]: Good night.
[57:02.670 --> 57:08.870]  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I said, Hey, Mom, get off the computer.
[57:09.310 --> 57:12.090]  [SPEAKER_03]: Come and look, I just got cuter.
[57:12.470 --> 57:15.910]  [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, Mom, get Get off the computer now.
[57:26.760 --> 57:30.940]  [SPEAKER_03]: Every time I look for my dad, he's sitting at the screen.
[57:33.020 --> 57:36.920]  [SPEAKER_03]: He's staring like a zombie in a movie I hope I never see.
[57:38.640 --> 57:42.140]  [SPEAKER_03]: I said, hey, dad, get off the computer.
[57:42.800 --> 57:45.280]  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's play some ball and fix my scooter.
[57:45.920 --> 57:49.400]  [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, dad, get off the computer now.
[57:50.560 --> 57:51.160]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[57:53.960 --> 57:58.420]  [SPEAKER_03]: Ah, I have an old twitchy little one here.
[58:06.790 --> 58:09.990]  [SPEAKER_03]: And who put the bop, the bop, the bop, the bop, the bop?
[58:10.090 --> 58:13.030]  [SPEAKER_03]: Who put the ram in my daddy's computer?
[58:24.860 --> 58:29.060]  [SPEAKER_03]: In the middle of the night, not a creature stirring in my house.
[58:30.980 --> 58:34.940]  [SPEAKER_03]: But sometimes I hear the clicking of a little mouse.
[58:36.680 --> 58:39.880]  [SPEAKER_03]: I said, hey, mom and dad, get off the computer.
[58:39.900 --> 58:43.640]  [SPEAKER_03]: There's a guy at the door from Roto-Rooter.
[58:43.940 --> 58:47.440]  [SPEAKER_03]: Everybody get off the computer now.
[58:48.440 --> 58:49.200]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[58:51.740 --> 58:52.800]  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh-huh.
[58:54.480 --> 58:55.240]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[58:56.580 --> 58:57.340]  Woo!
[59:02.010 --> 59:03.090]  [SPEAKER_08]: That was hot.
[59:03.530 --> 59:04.850]  [SPEAKER_08]: I love that song.
[59:05.050 --> 59:05.870]  [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know why.
[59:06.070 --> 59:07.870]  [SPEAKER_08]: Just had a great beat to it.