Off The Hook - 2010-12-22

[00:07.820 --> 00:11.820]  [SPEAKER_04]: A little girl, little girl, why are you so sad?
[00:11.960 --> 00:13.180]  [SPEAKER_04]: It's almost time for Christmas.
[00:14.240 --> 00:17.600]  [SPEAKER_05]: My family doesn't celebrate Christmas.
[00:18.240 --> 00:18.940]  [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, Jewish?
[00:19.400 --> 00:20.040]  [SPEAKER_05]: Uh-uh.
[00:20.820 --> 00:21.240]  [SPEAKER_05]: Muslim?
[00:21.600 --> 00:22.440]  [SPEAKER_05]: Uh-uh.
[00:22.840 --> 00:23.260]  [SPEAKER_05]: Buddhist?
[00:23.660 --> 00:24.000]  [SPEAKER_05]: Nope.
[00:24.240 --> 00:30.060]  [SPEAKER_05]: My family doesn't practice any religion, and we don't believe in things that are supernatural.
[00:30.520 --> 00:31.840]  [SPEAKER_05]: But haven't they heard?
[00:31.840 --> 00:36.640]  [SPEAKER_04]: There are many ways to enjoy and celebrate Christmas that are completely naturalistic.
[00:36.960 --> 00:37.440]  [SPEAKER_04]: Really?
[00:37.760 --> 00:38.220]  [SPEAKER_04]: Really!
[00:38.420 --> 00:46.240]  [SPEAKER_04]: And this Christmas, they can learn all about having a perfectly wonderful naturalistic Christmas on Equal Time for Free Thoughts Naturalistic Christmas Special.
[00:47.000 --> 00:48.800]  [SPEAKER_05]: Naturalistic Christmas Special?
[00:49.100 --> 00:49.720]  [SPEAKER_05]: That's right!
[00:49.900 --> 00:50.260]  [SPEAKER_05]: One!
[00:50.400 --> 00:52.680]  [SPEAKER_05]: From three to five on Christmas Day!
[00:53.060 --> 00:54.940]  [SPEAKER_05]: Three to five Christmas Day!
[00:55.160 --> 00:58.300]  [SPEAKER_05]: Right here on 99.5 WBAI.
[01:01.380 --> 01:06.020]  [SPEAKER_08]: And you're listening to 99.5 FM, WBAI New York.
[01:06.260 --> 01:09.760]  [SPEAKER_08]: It's 7pm, time for Off The Hook.
[01:14.940 --> 01:36.790]  [SPEAKER_14]: The telephone keeps ringing So I ripped it off the wall I cut myself while shaving Now I can't make a call We couldn't get much worse One diddly bump But the best is back the worst I hope that's understood One diddly bump
[01:53.150 --> 01:54.290]  [SPEAKER_08]: And good evening.
[01:54.350 --> 01:55.890]  [SPEAKER_08]: The program is Off The Hook.
[01:56.430 --> 02:00.310]  [SPEAKER_08]: Red Hacked here in the studio, manning the board while Emmanuel's away.
[02:00.590 --> 02:02.350]  [SPEAKER_08]: Joined tonight by Mike.
[02:02.530 --> 02:02.770]  [SPEAKER_08]: Hi.
[02:03.990 --> 02:04.710]  [SPEAKER_08]: Dot Rhett.
[02:05.130 --> 02:05.410]  [SPEAKER_03]: Hello.
[02:06.610 --> 02:07.170]  [SPEAKER_08]: Rob T.
[02:07.310 --> 02:07.730]  [SPEAKER_08]: Firefly.
[02:08.030 --> 02:08.390]  [SPEAKER_03]: Good evening.
[02:09.390 --> 02:09.790]  [SPEAKER_08]: Jim.
[02:10.090 --> 02:10.430]  [SPEAKER_08]: Hi.
[02:11.210 --> 02:13.470]  [SPEAKER_08]: And on the phone we have Bernie S.
[02:13.530 --> 02:14.030]  [SPEAKER_08]: down in Philadelphia.
[02:15.710 --> 02:16.110]  [SPEAKER_08]: No?
[02:17.610 --> 02:18.310]  [SPEAKER_08]: We will.
[02:18.610 --> 02:19.790]  [SPEAKER_08]: I have to press the right button.
[02:19.910 --> 02:20.030]  [SPEAKER_08]: Ah.
[02:20.230 --> 02:20.850]  [SPEAKER_08]: Do we have Bernie S.
[02:20.910 --> 02:21.250]  [SPEAKER_08]: in Philadelphia?
[02:22.610 --> 02:23.350]  [SPEAKER_08]: We still don't.
[02:23.410 --> 02:24.370]  [SPEAKER_09]: This time it's not my fault.
[02:24.570 --> 02:24.770]  [SPEAKER_08]: Alright.
[02:25.010 --> 02:26.470]  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, we'll skip Bernie for now.
[02:26.530 --> 02:26.850]  [SPEAKER_17]: No, no.
[02:26.910 --> 02:27.690]  [SPEAKER_18]: We're here in Philadelphia.
[02:28.030 --> 02:28.510]  [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, there you go.
[02:28.930 --> 02:31.410]  [SPEAKER_08]: And I think we have Emmanuel also.
[02:32.350 --> 02:32.750]  [SPEAKER_17]: Yes.
[02:33.590 --> 02:34.650]  [SPEAKER_17]: I'm here with Kyle.
[02:35.010 --> 02:35.650]  [SPEAKER_17]: Kyle, say hi.
[02:35.870 --> 02:36.190]  [SPEAKER_17]: Hi.
[02:36.710 --> 02:37.870]  [SPEAKER_17]: And can you hear us?
[02:37.870 --> 02:38.290]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yes.
[02:38.750 --> 02:39.370]  [SPEAKER_08]: Loud and clear.
[02:39.390 --> 02:39.970]  [SPEAKER_17]: How do we sound?
[02:40.470 --> 02:41.510]  [SPEAKER_17]: Loud and clear, you say?
[02:41.770 --> 02:48.750]  [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, you sound a little echoey, but not in the way that a satellite phone sounds echoey, just in kind of that you're sitting in a room.
[02:48.950 --> 02:51.730]  [SPEAKER_08]: I assume you're not speaking into a telephone handset.
[02:52.210 --> 02:54.290]  [SPEAKER_17]: Let me tell you how we are making this phone call.
[02:54.370 --> 02:54.590]  [SPEAKER_08]: Alright.
[02:55.110 --> 03:02.730]  [SPEAKER_17]: We actually are making this phone call through Gmail, and we're using a service that is completely free for anybody that has Gmail.
[03:02.730 --> 03:11.570]  [SPEAKER_17]: They simply click a little thing that says call phone, I think, or something like that, and you simply enter a phone number, and you can call for free to the United States.
[03:11.610 --> 03:15.390]  [SPEAKER_17]: What we didn't know was that it works outside the United States of the United States.
[03:15.530 --> 03:20.570]  [SPEAKER_17]: We can't call anywhere here in Denmark, which is where we are right now, but we can call the United States.
[03:20.650 --> 03:21.390]  [SPEAKER_17]: And it's pretty cool.
[03:23.750 --> 03:24.110]  [SPEAKER_08]: Neat.
[03:25.130 --> 03:27.010]  [SPEAKER_08]: So it goes over the Internet, you say.
[03:27.230 --> 03:27.870]  [SPEAKER_03]: It uses the Internet.
[03:28.890 --> 03:29.610]  [SPEAKER_03]: You sound good.
[03:29.630 --> 03:32.630]  [SPEAKER_03]: You sound a little bit VoIP-y, but apart from that, you're understandable.
[03:33.590 --> 03:35.490]  [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, you guys sound pretty clear as well.
[03:35.910 --> 03:41.350]  [SPEAKER_17]: And, of course, this is saving a ton of money because we don't make phone calls on regular telephones.
[03:41.630 --> 03:44.250]  [SPEAKER_17]: And, wow, I'm just amazed it's this evening.
[03:44.530 --> 03:45.090]  [SPEAKER_08]: The future.
[03:45.890 --> 03:47.890]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, we'll see just how cheap it stays.
[03:47.910 --> 03:51.930]  [SPEAKER_13]: If I remember correctly, they said that it's going to be free at least until the end of the year.
[03:51.930 --> 03:55.590]  [SPEAKER_13]: So we don't really know what's going to happen after the end of the year.
[03:55.590 --> 04:01.130]  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, I mean, you have services like Skype out there, which do the same thing, but they just charge per minute, so.
[04:01.850 --> 04:02.790]  [SPEAKER_08]: Still relatively cheap.
[04:02.790 --> 04:04.990]  [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, we can figure out how to get Skype to work at the radio station.
[04:05.150 --> 04:07.650]  [SPEAKER_17]: So this is so much easier.
[04:07.730 --> 04:08.770]  [SPEAKER_17]: It's literally a click of a button.
[04:09.710 --> 04:14.150]  [SPEAKER_09]: We're still forbidden from calling you, though, because that's a special WBAI policy.
[04:15.830 --> 04:18.650]  [SPEAKER_17]: Well, there are ways you can call us, but we won't get into that here.
[04:18.730 --> 04:20.670]  [SPEAKER_17]: But if this doesn't work, we have backup methods.
[04:21.930 --> 04:23.290]  [SPEAKER_17]: We are in Copenhagen right now.
[04:23.430 --> 04:26.430]  [SPEAKER_17]: In fact, we just arrived about 25 minutes ago.
[04:26.970 --> 04:30.910]  [SPEAKER_17]: There is chaos all throughout Europe as far as travel.
[04:31.090 --> 04:34.150]  [SPEAKER_17]: And we took a train today from Stockholm down to Copenhagen.
[04:34.570 --> 04:38.830]  [SPEAKER_17]: And there was just complete mayhem in the train station in Stockholm.
[04:39.150 --> 04:43.950]  [SPEAKER_17]: It looked like Penn Station on one of those days where the Long Island Railroad completely screws everything up.
[04:44.170 --> 04:45.990]  [SPEAKER_17]: People are waiting for hours and hours.
[04:46.530 --> 04:50.270]  [SPEAKER_17]: The difference is they really aren't very good at announcing things.
[04:50.270 --> 04:53.210]  [SPEAKER_17]: They're very bad at telling you where tracks are.
[04:54.030 --> 04:58.410]  [SPEAKER_17]: And our train, our train was supposed to leave at six minutes past 5 p.m.
[04:58.990 --> 05:04.030]  [SPEAKER_17]: And we were watching it on the board, waiting for the track to be announced or waiting to find out if it was going to be delayed.
[05:04.370 --> 05:07.310]  [SPEAKER_17]: And it just disappeared off the board.
[05:07.450 --> 05:08.190]  [SPEAKER_17]: It just vanished.
[05:08.410 --> 05:10.210]  [SPEAKER_17]: There was no more 1706 train.
[05:10.210 --> 05:13.110]  [SPEAKER_17]: And we were asking everybody, what happened to this train?
[05:13.290 --> 05:15.830]  [SPEAKER_17]: They were telling us, it vanished, it's going to come back.
[05:16.230 --> 05:18.150]  [SPEAKER_17]: But we didn't believe them.
[05:18.170 --> 05:22.270]  [SPEAKER_17]: And we just basically jumped on the first train to Malmo that we could find.
[05:22.470 --> 05:28.770]  [SPEAKER_17]: And unfortunately, that meant we had to stand most of the time because we didn't have reserved seats on that particular train.
[05:29.230 --> 05:34.710]  [SPEAKER_17]: And then when we arrived in Malmo about five hours later, we discovered that that was our train.
[05:34.870 --> 05:38.630]  [SPEAKER_17]: Somehow that had become a different train, even though it was still our train.
[05:38.630 --> 05:41.690]  [SPEAKER_17]: And maybe we had seats the whole time in a different car that we didn't know about.
[05:42.910 --> 05:44.490]  [SPEAKER_09]: So you came over the Orson Bridge.
[05:46.090 --> 05:46.730]  [SPEAKER_17]: Well, yeah.
[05:47.330 --> 05:50.130]  [SPEAKER_17]: After we reached Malmo, we had to do that to get to Copenhagen.
[05:50.590 --> 05:52.470]  [SPEAKER_09]: Is it still the longest bridge in the world?
[05:54.130 --> 05:55.030]  [SPEAKER_17]: I don't know.
[05:55.310 --> 05:58.230]  [SPEAKER_17]: That was probably the least interesting part of the entire day.
[05:59.890 --> 06:01.150]  [SPEAKER_17]: It's a fascinating bridge.
[06:01.870 --> 06:05.010]  [SPEAKER_17]: Well, it may be a fascinating bridge if you have time to look at it.
[06:05.050 --> 06:07.030]  [SPEAKER_17]: But we were trying to get here for the show.
[06:07.510 --> 06:16.110]  [SPEAKER_17]: And we had all kinds of heartache along the way dealing with crazy train systems that didn't quite work out the way we wanted them to.
[06:16.890 --> 06:17.850]  [SPEAKER_17]: So, yes, it's me.
[06:18.490 --> 06:19.230]  [SPEAKER_17]: Yes, go ahead.
[06:19.610 --> 06:29.330]  [SPEAKER_18]: Have you ever taken the train from, I think it's from Copenhagen to, I forget the name of the city in Sweden, the train that travels across the water?
[06:30.390 --> 06:32.110]  [SPEAKER_17]: That would be the train I was just on.
[06:32.310 --> 06:33.650]  [SPEAKER_17]: Are you listening to the show here?
[06:33.650 --> 06:34.350]  [SPEAKER_17]: Yes, yes, yes.
[06:34.390 --> 06:38.410]  [SPEAKER_18]: No, I'm talking about the train that pulls into a ship.
[06:39.110 --> 06:40.710]  [SPEAKER_17]: And then the ship...
[06:40.710 --> 06:45.710]  [SPEAKER_17]: You're thinking of the train that goes to Germany, which does go onto a ship, yes.
[06:45.990 --> 06:46.850]  [SPEAKER_18]: I don't think it's...
[06:46.850 --> 06:47.610]  [SPEAKER_18]: No, I think it's...
[06:47.610 --> 06:50.230]  [SPEAKER_18]: I think it's from Denmark to Sweden.
[06:51.830 --> 06:55.270]  [SPEAKER_09]: They built a bridge, Bernie, so that they don't have to do that anymore.
[06:55.570 --> 06:56.030]  [SPEAKER_18]: Oh, okay.
[06:56.890 --> 06:58.870]  [SPEAKER_18]: It was an amazing experience.
[06:59.310 --> 07:07.890]  [SPEAKER_18]: This train just pulled into this giant ship and then the ship set sail on the high seas and there was even a casino in this ship that the train was riding in.
[07:08.010 --> 07:08.710]  [SPEAKER_18]: It was very strange.
[07:08.870 --> 07:15.850]  [SPEAKER_09]: Do they still have that on the train from Copenhagen towards Hamburg and on to Berlin, but now there's a bridge to Sweden so they don't have to do that anymore.
[07:16.630 --> 07:17.030]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yes.
[07:17.310 --> 07:18.130]  [SPEAKER_17]: Did you get out of...
[07:18.130 --> 07:20.790]  [SPEAKER_17]: same amazing experience if you just go to Germany instead.
[07:21.070 --> 07:23.270]  [SPEAKER_08]: Did you get out of the train while it was on the ship?
[07:23.370 --> 07:24.270]  [SPEAKER_08]: I'm asking, Bernie.
[07:24.670 --> 07:25.490]  [SPEAKER_18]: Yes, you can get out.
[07:25.490 --> 07:38.650]  [SPEAKER_18]: There are actually train tracks embedded in the bottom of the ship and it opens up its mouth like a giant animal and the train just pulls right into the ship and then you just board the train and you can walk around.
[07:38.730 --> 07:41.310]  [SPEAKER_18]: There's a big casino and a liquor store.
[07:41.850 --> 07:45.910]  [SPEAKER_18]: Boy, those Swedish people were loading up on the liquor, I'll tell you.
[07:46.170 --> 07:47.630]  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, probably it was tax-free, right?
[07:48.130 --> 07:48.770]  [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah, exactly.
[07:48.930 --> 07:53.110]  [SPEAKER_18]: It was tax-free and they were loading up entire full-size shopping carts.
[07:53.310 --> 07:58.190]  [SPEAKER_18]: They were loading up with hard liquor on the ship to take to Sweden because it was so much cheaper.
[07:58.510 --> 08:03.270]  [SPEAKER_18]: I don't think I've drank that much my whole life that these people were carrying in a single shopping cart.
[08:03.390 --> 08:04.030]  [SPEAKER_18]: It was amazing.
[08:05.130 --> 08:06.010]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well...
[08:06.010 --> 08:12.450]  [SPEAKER_03]: I hear they're looking into ways to put that ship with a train inside it onto a plane and then put the plane on some roller skates.
[08:15.690 --> 08:21.930]  [SPEAKER_17]: Well, speaking of Swedes, we've encountered quite a number of them over the last few days that we were in Stockholm.
[08:22.270 --> 08:30.970]  [SPEAKER_17]: And one of the people who is very interesting actually is at the center of that whole terrorist attack that took place a couple of weeks ago.
[08:31.050 --> 08:32.630]  [SPEAKER_17]: Actually, that sounds really bad the way I said it.
[08:32.630 --> 08:35.810]  [SPEAKER_17]: But this person was there.
[08:36.470 --> 08:42.070]  [SPEAKER_17]: His shop actually was next to where the suicide bomber flew himself up.
[08:42.230 --> 08:46.710]  [SPEAKER_17]: And what's interesting about this story, he's a watch salesman.
[08:46.710 --> 08:47.890]  [SPEAKER_17]: He owns a watch store.
[08:47.930 --> 08:57.050]  [SPEAKER_17]: And he provided police with video footage that showed the Stockholm suicide bomber and gave them information that they didn't already have.
[08:57.450 --> 08:59.470]  [SPEAKER_17]: His name is Narish Lakwani.
[08:59.770 --> 09:06.470]  [SPEAKER_17]: And he basically was had all this footage on December 11th when the bomb went off.
[09:06.770 --> 09:07.970]  [SPEAKER_17]: Handed it over to the police.
[09:08.090 --> 09:08.670]  [SPEAKER_17]: They're very grateful.
[09:08.770 --> 09:16.930]  [SPEAKER_17]: A couple of days later, he got a visit from the county administrative board which handles permits for security cameras.
[09:17.010 --> 09:24.110]  [SPEAKER_17]: And they said, you don't have the right permits for these security cameras and you must take them down immediately or we're going to fine you.
[09:24.290 --> 09:33.050]  [SPEAKER_17]: And it just seemed really crazy that that is how they treat somebody who basically gave them all this valuable information.
[09:33.250 --> 09:34.630]  [SPEAKER_17]: And they're quite perturbed by that.
[09:34.830 --> 09:40.590]  [SPEAKER_17]: They've got a petition going in the store and it's the talk of the town and I think the talk of the world as well.
[09:40.650 --> 09:46.790]  [SPEAKER_08]: You would think they would just say, hey, maybe you should apply for a permit or then you have to take them down.
[09:47.190 --> 09:50.230]  [SPEAKER_09]: Wait, you need a permit to put up a camera in Sweden?
[09:50.230 --> 09:51.350]  [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, that's kind of nice.
[09:51.550 --> 09:52.270]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, it's awesome.
[09:52.410 --> 09:53.730]  [SPEAKER_09]: They should really enforce this law.
[09:53.870 --> 09:54.130]  [SPEAKER_09]: I like it.
[09:55.270 --> 09:59.790]  [SPEAKER_17]: Well, I think they need the permit if they're going to be filming anything outside of the store.
[10:00.510 --> 10:01.470]  [SPEAKER_17]: That's a great rule.
[10:02.310 --> 10:07.510]  [SPEAKER_17]: Well, yeah, but the thing is I'm not sure how easy it is to get this permit.
[10:07.670 --> 10:09.270]  [SPEAKER_17]: It might be, you know, something...
[10:09.270 --> 10:10.230]  [SPEAKER_08]: You're sweetening the deal.
[10:10.490 --> 10:11.670]  [SPEAKER_08]: Hopefully it's really hard.
[10:13.250 --> 10:26.670]  [SPEAKER_17]: Okay, you do understand that sometimes it's good to have security cameras when you have security issues and if it's not tied into the whole Big Brother Orwellian system, then it's a different matter than what they're doing in England.
[10:27.990 --> 10:29.450]  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know you anymore, dude.
[10:31.470 --> 10:48.010]  [SPEAKER_07]: Well, we were talking to some of the shopkeepers today and they were recounting some of the events that transpired and like what happened and the women that worked there actually said that basically they were fearful to be there without these cameras.
[10:48.570 --> 10:59.410]  [SPEAKER_07]: It gave them a sense of security working in a place that has expensive merchandise and that was sort of the most important thing about having this surveillance.
[11:00.090 --> 11:04.890]  [SPEAKER_07]: So, I guess it's totally private and independent.
[11:05.190 --> 11:10.850]  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, it's their own system and well, we did notice there were quite a few cameras.
[11:11.030 --> 11:17.830]  [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, he's pretty well covered but the one woman that we spoke with said that they had just put them up.
[11:18.330 --> 11:43.170]  [SPEAKER_07]: There was another case about a year or two ago involving an incident that happened right outside and they didn't have any sort of security cameras and when the police asked the guy said oh yeah I'm working on it you know I'm going to get some sort of security camera installed and so now he has it and it's quite substantial I mean there's like five cameras outside the front door alone but yeah so
[11:43.170 --> 11:44.730]  [SPEAKER_07]: now he's got it and he's being
[11:55.590 --> 12:00.310]  [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, it is.
[12:01.150 --> 12:03.130]  [SPEAKER_17]: So what's going on there in New York?
[12:04.810 --> 12:09.870]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, the Internet just, you know, got split in two.
[12:11.430 --> 12:12.670]  [SPEAKER_09]: Did you hear about that?
[12:15.170 --> 12:15.770]  [SPEAKER_09]: Hello?
[12:16.330 --> 12:18.930]  [SPEAKER_07]: Are you referring to the net neutrality stuff?
[12:18.930 --> 12:20.090]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yes, I am.
[12:21.190 --> 12:25.050]  [SPEAKER_09]: Apparently, the FCC proposed some rules and then passed them very quickly.
[12:25.190 --> 12:34.490]  [SPEAKER_09]: I didn't know the FCC could actually move that fast, but they proposed them on one day and then they got passed like two days later.
[12:35.850 --> 12:47.170]  [SPEAKER_09]: But basically, they say that there's some limited net neutrality requirements, and we should explain what that is in a second, for wireline connections, so your DSL and cable connections.
[12:47.170 --> 12:55.410]  [SPEAKER_09]: But on your mobile phone, apparently, the carriers are now allowed to do whatever they want, which means they're allowed to block access to services they don't provide.
[12:55.970 --> 13:01.710]  [SPEAKER_09]: They're allowed to prioritize their own services so that even if you can still get to a service, it's slower.
[13:02.790 --> 13:06.390]  [SPEAKER_09]: And apparently, if it's on the wireless, they can do whatever they want.
[13:06.390 --> 13:11.410]  [SPEAKER_09]: So I hope you didn't plan on visiting WikiLeaks on your mobile phone or anything.
[13:11.630 --> 13:28.110]  [SPEAKER_18]: It's also interesting because it doesn't specifically bifurcate wireless and wired from the standpoint of mobile phones versus cable and DSL.
[13:28.110 --> 13:32.950]  [SPEAKER_18]: So quite a few people use some of the 4G wireless Internet access from...
[13:32.950 --> 13:36.530]  [SPEAKER_18]: It's like WiMAX service from companies like Clear or Clearwire.
[13:36.910 --> 13:44.950]  [SPEAKER_18]: And a lot of times, it's fixed, but it's fixed wireless in the home, but it's just a wireless last mile.
[13:44.950 --> 13:51.070]  [SPEAKER_18]: And apparently, this net neutrality rule does not apply to people who could...
[13:51.790 --> 13:58.350]  [SPEAKER_18]: to people who use that kind of... to ISPs for that kind of service, which a lot of residential customers use.
[13:58.490 --> 14:06.010]  [SPEAKER_18]: So it's of concern they did not just apply this net neutrality wholesale across all the Internet service providers.
[14:06.010 --> 14:14.890]  [SPEAKER_08]: Although I get the feeling that in the case of someone who's using wireless for their residential access, it'd probably be a harder pill to swallow than if they say, oh, I can't go to some website on my phone.
[14:15.150 --> 14:21.710]  [SPEAKER_08]: So in terms of a customer relations standpoint, I would hope that those companies don't, you know, take advantage of them.
[14:21.810 --> 14:22.310]  [SPEAKER_03]: But they might.
[14:22.470 --> 14:22.910]  [SPEAKER_03]: They might.
[14:23.050 --> 14:23.530]  [SPEAKER_03]: You never know.
[14:23.570 --> 14:23.850]  [SPEAKER_03]: We'll see.
[14:24.090 --> 14:24.470]  [SPEAKER_11]: We'll see.
[14:24.610 --> 14:27.190]  [SPEAKER_03]: If there are loopholes, someone will take advantage of them.
[14:27.190 --> 14:27.410]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[14:27.430 --> 14:28.250]  [SPEAKER_03]: That's the way of the world.
[14:36.010 --> 14:36.430]  [SPEAKER_13]: That's very true.
[14:36.510 --> 14:40.230]  [SPEAKER_13]: And the Republicans are already vowing to block this.
[14:40.590 --> 14:41.310]  [SPEAKER_03]: I like that.
[14:41.410 --> 14:44.150]  [SPEAKER_03]: They're already vowing to block this thing that hasn't been released publicly in full yet.
[14:44.310 --> 14:46.050]  [SPEAKER_03]: So whatever it is, we're against it.
[14:46.550 --> 14:49.110]  [SPEAKER_18]: All the Republican FCC commissioners...
[14:49.670 --> 14:56.490]  [SPEAKER_18]: There's some Republicans and Democrats commissioners in the FCC, but apparently the Democrats outvoted the Republicans on there.
[14:56.950 --> 14:59.530]  [SPEAKER_18]: But all of the rules have not been released publicly yet.
[15:01.810 --> 15:04.130]  [SPEAKER_18]: But that'll probably happen the next day or so.
[15:04.130 --> 15:09.650]  [SPEAKER_18]: But all the Republicans on the FCC commission voted against these new net neutrality rules.
[15:09.810 --> 15:14.510]  [SPEAKER_18]: So it'll be interesting to see what the controversy is about, what they voted against specifically.
[15:15.010 --> 15:15.910]  [SPEAKER_17]: It'll be very interesting.
[15:15.910 --> 15:21.390]  [SPEAKER_17]: Can we ask on a scale of one to ten around the studio what people think as far as how good this is?
[15:21.850 --> 15:23.050]  [SPEAKER_09]: What's one and what's ten?
[15:24.130 --> 15:25.790]  [SPEAKER_17]: One is awful, ten is great.
[15:26.730 --> 15:27.210]  [SPEAKER_17]: Six.
[15:28.310 --> 15:29.470]  [SPEAKER_17]: Maybe six and a half.
[15:29.470 --> 15:36.270]  [SPEAKER_08]: I kind of would want more information and I'd want to see the fallout before I assign numbers to things.
[15:36.450 --> 15:39.670]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm going to reserve judgment until we get more information about this.
[15:39.750 --> 15:41.110]  [SPEAKER_03]: Right now I'll hover it around a five.
[15:41.370 --> 15:43.650]  [SPEAKER_09]: You people are so non-judgmental, I'm going to put it at four.
[15:44.450 --> 15:46.970]  [SPEAKER_13]: Based on the wording I'm seeing, I'll say things like that.
[15:46.970 --> 15:53.930]  [SPEAKER_13]: Because I mean I've already seen wording like that they're allowed to have reasonable discrimination of packets.
[15:54.130 --> 15:55.790]  [SPEAKER_13]: And of course that's a loaded term.
[15:55.930 --> 15:56.730]  [SPEAKER_13]: What will that mean?
[15:56.850 --> 15:57.710]  [SPEAKER_13]: Who decides that?
[15:58.250 --> 16:00.390]  [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, Jim says three.
[16:00.790 --> 16:00.990]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[16:02.770 --> 16:03.590]  [SPEAKER_18]: Thank you, Jim.
[16:03.670 --> 16:04.250]  [SPEAKER_18]: Yes, that's good.
[16:04.530 --> 16:05.910]  [SPEAKER_09]: Free Press calls it a betrayal.
[16:05.910 --> 16:06.850]  [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah.
[16:07.050 --> 16:29.690]  [SPEAKER_18]: The legal term of reasonable discrimination reminds me of the COPA law, the Child Online Promography Act that was ruled inconstitutional, which used the word indecent, which was also equally unconstitutionally vague.
[16:29.690 --> 16:42.310]  [SPEAKER_18]: So you can count on anyone who is charged, any ISP who's charged with unreasonable discrimination to challenge that and tie it up in the courts for years and years.
[16:42.670 --> 16:45.450]  [SPEAKER_08]: Now, Bernie, I have a question maybe you can answer.
[16:46.190 --> 16:49.610]  [SPEAKER_08]: How does this all relate to wiretapping laws?
[16:49.730 --> 16:57.030]  [SPEAKER_08]: So you have kind of these laws that are saying, well, they can look at the traffic and where it's going and block it, but aren't they then kind of examining the information?
[16:57.030 --> 16:59.490]  [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, how does that not fall under wiretap?
[17:00.170 --> 17:02.030]  [SPEAKER_18]: Well, this is nothing new.
[17:02.290 --> 17:15.290]  [SPEAKER_18]: The telephone carriers have for years been completely and legally allowed to monitor telephone calls in the name of quality control.
[17:15.470 --> 17:17.510]  [SPEAKER_08]: Even if they don't tell the consumer?
[17:17.890 --> 17:18.570]  [SPEAKER_18]: Absolutely.
[17:18.570 --> 17:23.970]  [SPEAKER_18]: This has been happening for many decades, as long as the telephone service around.
[17:24.270 --> 17:29.430]  [SPEAKER_18]: Telephone companies have been allowed to listen in on phone calls under the auspices of...
[17:29.430 --> 17:32.850]  [SPEAKER_18]: We're just checking to see what the quality of the call is.
[17:32.950 --> 17:33.830]  [SPEAKER_13]: Is that...?
[17:33.830 --> 17:37.730]  [SPEAKER_18]: That's embodied both under federal law and every single state's law.
[17:37.730 --> 17:38.250]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.
[17:38.530 --> 17:41.530]  [SPEAKER_13]: Now, Mark mentioned something interesting about the...
[17:42.250 --> 17:43.310]  [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, RedHack.
[17:43.430 --> 17:44.610]  [SPEAKER_13]: About the wire...
[17:44.610 --> 17:46.070]  [SPEAKER_13]: About the wireless...
[17:48.030 --> 17:50.370]  [SPEAKER_13]: That they could be limited from...
[17:50.370 --> 17:55.470]  [SPEAKER_13]: They're not protected with the net neutrality rules like, you know, maybe you won't get to go with WikiLeaks and whatnot.
[17:55.470 --> 17:57.410]  [SPEAKER_13]: But under the current rules...
[17:57.410 --> 18:11.450]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, unreleased current rules, I'm already seeing mention that while they can't block unlawful content, that there's this gray area about what will be considered unlawful and what can be blocked.
[18:11.550 --> 18:24.430]  [SPEAKER_13]: So, for instance, lawful porn is all right to have on the Internet, but the ISP could argue that they should be allowed to block porn that isn't quite lawful or BitTornt trackers that maybe are gonna have, you know, follow some illegal content.
[18:24.430 --> 18:25.830]  [SPEAKER_18]: Or WikiLeaks.
[18:26.070 --> 18:26.810]  [SPEAKER_13]: Or WikiLeaks.
[18:27.050 --> 18:27.250]  [SPEAKER_13]: Or WikiLeaks, yeah.
[18:27.730 --> 18:30.950]  [SPEAKER_18]: As Apple just blocked their iPhone app.
[18:32.450 --> 18:38.590]  [SPEAKER_17]: Speaking of WikiLeaks, something that happened since last week, Julian Assange is no longer in prison.
[18:39.930 --> 18:40.850]  [SPEAKER_03]: After a fashion.
[18:41.610 --> 18:42.130]  [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah.
[18:42.430 --> 18:43.270]  [SPEAKER_17]: Oh, he's in England.
[18:43.270 --> 18:45.730]  [SPEAKER_17]: I guess that's close to it, but...
[18:45.730 --> 18:48.050]  [SPEAKER_08]: He's stuck in England in someone's house, but...
[18:48.050 --> 18:48.590]  [SPEAKER_08]: In a mansion.
[18:48.850 --> 18:49.730]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, a mansion in England.
[18:50.090 --> 18:50.730]  [SPEAKER_08]: With a tag.
[18:50.970 --> 18:51.570]  [SPEAKER_08]: With a tag.
[18:51.570 --> 18:52.670]  [SPEAKER_08]: With a tag around his leg.
[18:55.230 --> 18:56.030]  [SPEAKER_09]: Is that all?
[18:58.510 --> 18:59.430]  [SPEAKER_17]: Well, I guess.
[19:00.210 --> 19:00.910]  [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, he...
[19:01.770 --> 19:05.330]  [SPEAKER_09]: Are you cutting in and out or just stopping talking?
[19:05.330 --> 19:06.110]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's hard to tell.
[19:06.790 --> 19:08.230]  [SPEAKER_17]: I'm trying to talk.
[19:08.410 --> 19:08.990]  [SPEAKER_17]: Can you hear me?
[19:09.130 --> 19:09.290]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[19:10.470 --> 19:10.850]  [SPEAKER_17]: All right.
[19:11.410 --> 19:16.330]  [SPEAKER_17]: This is new and experimental, so I'm not exactly sure how well this sounds.
[19:17.430 --> 19:25.390]  [SPEAKER_17]: But, yeah, there have been a number of developments with the whole WikiLeaks saga as we continue to follow this story.
[19:27.730 --> 19:30.270]  [SPEAKER_17]: More releases have happened, of course.
[19:30.410 --> 19:36.350]  [SPEAKER_17]: More have been going on for quite some time, even while Julian was in prison.
[19:37.090 --> 19:57.370]  [SPEAKER_17]: Here's something interesting, though, that I saw just today, actually, about some of the people that were engaged in the denial of service attacks while WikiLeaks was being denied service as well from Visa, MasterCard, PayPal, various other entities.
[19:57.370 --> 19:58.650]  [SPEAKER_17]: And still is.
[19:58.670 --> 19:58.870]  [SPEAKER_17]: And still is.
[19:59.270 --> 20:00.010]  [SPEAKER_17]: I'm sorry?
[20:00.330 --> 20:03.290]  [SPEAKER_17]: And still is being discriminated against.
[20:03.610 --> 20:04.190]  [SPEAKER_18]: Of course.
[20:04.190 --> 20:04.530]  [SPEAKER_18]: Not was.
[20:04.670 --> 20:04.910]  [SPEAKER_18]: Is.
[20:05.930 --> 20:06.510]  [SPEAKER_17]: Right.
[20:06.690 --> 20:06.890]  [SPEAKER_17]: Okay.
[20:07.030 --> 20:07.210]  [SPEAKER_17]: Fine.
[20:07.210 --> 20:07.250]  [SPEAKER_17]: Fine.
[20:07.850 --> 20:33.690]  [SPEAKER_17]: So, basically, this member of the group Anonymous, or somebody who refers to themselves as a member of the group Anonymous, told the BBC that, in fact, and this is rather amusing the way that this came out, they claimed they were not hackers, just average Internet citizens who felt motivated to act because of perceived injustices against WikiLeaks.
[20:34.430 --> 20:36.390]  [SPEAKER_17]: That sounds all good and fair.
[20:36.530 --> 20:40.030]  [SPEAKER_17]: But then this guy went on to say, yeah, we're not hackers.
[20:40.270 --> 20:44.010]  [SPEAKER_17]: We have no interest in stealing credit card details or attacking critical infrastructure.
[20:46.050 --> 20:49.310]  [SPEAKER_17]: So, yeah, you know, it's like, it's one step forward, two steps back.
[20:50.490 --> 20:54.830]  [SPEAKER_17]: So that was, yeah, the amusing WikiLeaks story of the day.
[20:55.750 --> 20:56.550]  [SPEAKER_18]: But also...
[20:56.550 --> 20:57.270]  [SPEAKER_17]: Go ahead.
[20:57.750 --> 20:57.870]  [SPEAKER_18]: Go ahead.
[20:57.870 --> 21:17.090]  [SPEAKER_18]: May I just say, I do think that what the guy was trying to get across, though, was that he was, I think, trying to make the point that this rises to the level of civil disobedience, as in, like, phone bombing or, you know, just calling your legislators and tying up their phones kind of thing.
[21:17.090 --> 21:20.030]  [SPEAKER_18]: Because this was not like an organized group.
[21:20.170 --> 21:33.590]  [SPEAKER_18]: This was like anybody could download this application to use to make a denial of service attack against companies who were blocking WikiLeaks funding.
[21:33.590 --> 21:38.590]  [SPEAKER_18]: And, you know, and these were people who were not doing it anonymously.
[21:38.770 --> 21:49.390]  [SPEAKER_18]: Everybody who downloaded this app and did it, did it with a full knowledge that, if they read the details, that their IP address could easily retrace back to them.
[21:49.510 --> 21:55.370]  [SPEAKER_18]: So I really think that this denial of service attacks rose to the level of civil disobedience.
[21:55.630 --> 21:56.090]  [SPEAKER_17]: That's my...
[21:56.090 --> 22:05.010]  [SPEAKER_17]: I couldn't agree less, because it's just pure vandalism and thuggery, as far as I'm concerned, where you're trying to shut up your opponent.
[22:05.210 --> 22:16.630]  [SPEAKER_17]: And here's an interesting study that came out today, also on the BBC, where it basically is revealed that human rights groups and campaigners are the ones being hit hard by these huge web attacks.
[22:16.890 --> 22:20.310]  [SPEAKER_17]: And they're being launched by people who are just opposed to their views.
[22:36.290 --> 22:44.830]  [SPEAKER_17]: So it's got nothing to do with passive resistance or any kind of organized resistance to anything like that.
[22:44.830 --> 22:50.290]  [SPEAKER_17]: It's just basically people shouting louder than anybody else and trying to drown out people they don't agree with.
[22:50.290 --> 22:55.110]  [SPEAKER_08]: But how is it different than, say, a sit-in, except the fact that it's on a larger scale?
[22:55.810 --> 22:55.970]  [SPEAKER_17]: Right.
[22:56.250 --> 23:05.730]  [SPEAKER_17]: Well, a sit-in is simply sitting in front of a door that you're targeting from getting into a particular door.
[23:05.850 --> 23:07.210]  [SPEAKER_17]: They can get around different ways.
[23:07.350 --> 23:08.030]  [SPEAKER_17]: But you know what?
[23:08.130 --> 23:12.030]  [SPEAKER_17]: Those people don't turn around and then block you from getting into your house.
[23:12.230 --> 23:19.350]  [SPEAKER_17]: You know, it's usually the people doing this are woefully outnumbered by cops and by the people that they're protesting against.
[23:19.350 --> 23:23.630]  [SPEAKER_17]: It's not basically everybody is able to do this mostly anonymously.
[23:23.630 --> 23:29.770]  [SPEAKER_17]: Because most people, when they denial of service a website somewhere, you don't know who they are.
[23:29.890 --> 23:32.130]  [SPEAKER_17]: I really don't think that happens very often.
[23:32.950 --> 23:35.750]  [SPEAKER_18]: But in this case, that's not the case.
[23:35.910 --> 23:44.950]  [SPEAKER_18]: Everybody who did one of these denial of service attacks by downloading that application was doing so not using other third-party computers.
[23:44.950 --> 23:46.390]  [SPEAKER_18]: They were using their own computers.
[23:46.630 --> 23:48.350]  [SPEAKER_18]: So their IP addresses were being revealed.
[23:48.490 --> 23:53.070]  [SPEAKER_18]: And therefore, they were, in effect, allowing themselves to be held accountable for their actions.
[23:53.310 --> 23:53.410]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[23:53.450 --> 23:55.510]  [SPEAKER_08]: They were willful participants in the attack.
[23:55.790 --> 23:57.370]  [SPEAKER_08]: By the way, I wanted to make a correction.
[23:57.890 --> 24:02.730]  [SPEAKER_08]: Last week, I said that this thing, you had to actually put the target into it.
[24:02.730 --> 24:09.810]  [SPEAKER_08]: But there is a control mode for the software, where you can give control of your computer for the attack to another person.
[24:10.430 --> 24:12.610]  [SPEAKER_08]: But you're still willfully joining the attack.
[24:12.770 --> 24:17.730]  [SPEAKER_08]: So I still go along with what Bernie said in terms of being willful participants in...
[24:17.730 --> 24:18.390]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.
[24:18.450 --> 24:27.130]  [SPEAKER_17]: But the point is, have we really run out of arguments, things to say where the only thing, the only tactic is to simply drown them out and try to shut them up?
[24:27.470 --> 24:28.650]  [SPEAKER_17]: You know, it's embarrassing.
[24:28.650 --> 24:30.850]  [SPEAKER_17]: That's not the way I want to fight my fights.
[24:31.690 --> 24:33.670]  [SPEAKER_03]: It's also just not a very interesting tactic.
[24:33.870 --> 24:36.450]  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, anybody can download this application.
[24:36.450 --> 24:37.830]  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think anyone who...
[24:37.830 --> 24:43.670]  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think everybody who downloads this application fully reads and understands the instructions and the principles behind how it works.
[24:43.670 --> 24:50.370]  [SPEAKER_03]: They just know, oh, I can, you know, use this thing to break something or somebody told me to install this and I'm going to do it and be cool or whatever.
[24:50.570 --> 24:55.750]  [SPEAKER_03]: And that's the danger of having tools like this in the hands of people who maybe don't entirely understand their use.
[24:56.370 --> 25:03.370]  [SPEAKER_03]: And another thing I really think is important, and I keep going on about this, but there is no group anonymous to be a member of.
[25:03.450 --> 25:06.690]  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a banner that anybody can start anything under and participate in anything under.
[25:06.690 --> 25:14.430]  [SPEAKER_03]: And despite the fact that declaring yourself a member of this non-existent group can still apparently get you in the mainstream media as a consultant.
[25:16.930 --> 25:18.570]  [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, pretty amazing.
[25:19.990 --> 25:28.690]  [SPEAKER_17]: And also, there's this other story involving the federal government with their wish list of things that they want to have.
[25:29.550 --> 25:36.050]  [SPEAKER_17]: They want to make a computer firewall to block, and there's a quote, WikiLeaks pollution.
[25:37.330 --> 25:37.970]  [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah.
[25:39.810 --> 25:49.490]  [SPEAKER_17]: Basically, we know that the government wants their workers and federal contractors not to read the leaked classified documents even when they're in the public domain already.
[25:50.030 --> 26:02.190]  [SPEAKER_17]: But now, Fidelis Security, which is a Boston-based network security company that works with the military and other government agencies, says it's being asked to set up a firewall against WikiLeaks document traffic regardless of whether it flows from a website,
[26:02.450 --> 26:04.050]  [SPEAKER_17]: email, or other source.
[26:04.530 --> 26:11.710]  [SPEAKER_17]: They sell a network security system to federal agencies designed to prevent data extrusion, which is an amazing word, or leaks.
[26:11.710 --> 26:15.630]  [SPEAKER_17]: But it can also be used to prevent data from coming into a network.
[26:17.430 --> 26:20.210]  [SPEAKER_17]: So, it's incredible the tools that they're coming up with.
[26:20.330 --> 26:23.210]  [SPEAKER_17]: And, of course, these tools can be applied anywhere, not just in the federal government.
[26:23.290 --> 26:27.430]  [SPEAKER_17]: They can be used with schools, with workplaces, on particular ISPs.
[26:28.430 --> 26:31.610]  [SPEAKER_17]: It's incredible how the effort they're going to.
[26:31.770 --> 26:45.070]  [SPEAKER_08]: Now, here you have an interesting conundrum, though, because if they're supposed to filter out this corpus of documents, they'll have to come up with a way to do it without actually having the corpus, at least, I assume, not running in the software.
[26:45.970 --> 26:47.870]  [SPEAKER_08]: Perhaps some sort of machine learning to train.
[26:48.050 --> 26:51.630]  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, this is probably, you know, a leaked cable.
[26:52.030 --> 26:56.790]  [SPEAKER_08]: But I would assume that the firewall itself couldn't contain the 250,000 cables to compare against.
[26:56.930 --> 26:57.550]  [SPEAKER_13]: Hashes, maybe?
[26:58.310 --> 26:59.470]  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, but that, I mean...
[27:00.010 --> 27:03.210]  [SPEAKER_03]: If you change one comma to a period, you've changed the hash.
[27:03.310 --> 27:04.790]  [SPEAKER_08]: No, probably some sort of machine learning thing.
[27:04.850 --> 27:05.530]  [SPEAKER_08]: But I think it's interesting.
[27:05.530 --> 27:12.270]  [SPEAKER_08]: I'd be interested to see what their solution is, because I assume they're not going to have just the documents to compare against or something like that.
[27:12.390 --> 27:14.910]  [SPEAKER_09]: It runs, RedHacked, on pure evil.
[27:15.130 --> 27:15.450]  [SPEAKER_09]: Pure evil.
[27:15.770 --> 27:16.010]  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
[27:16.810 --> 27:18.350]  [SPEAKER_18]: I think the U.S.
[27:18.390 --> 27:31.450]  [SPEAKER_18]: federal government is doing a really great job in channeling Douglas Adams' ravenous bug bladder beast of trawl, which was so stupid it believed that if, you know...
[27:31.450 --> 27:33.110]  [SPEAKER_08]: You couldn't see it, it couldn't see you.
[27:33.570 --> 27:33.950]  [SPEAKER_18]: Exactly.
[27:34.270 --> 27:36.430]  [SPEAKER_18]: So, it's basically a head-in-the-sand approach.
[27:36.610 --> 27:42.370]  [SPEAKER_18]: Like, they're going to make all their employees think that this problem doesn't exist if they can't see it.
[27:42.370 --> 27:47.310]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, it sounds to me like they're kind of trying to bring the great firewall of China over to the United States.
[27:47.350 --> 27:53.630]  [SPEAKER_13]: And if they do that successfully to any degree, eventually, people will read very easily unless they know what they're doing.
[27:53.630 --> 28:00.750]  [SPEAKER_09]: You know, Bernie, yes, there's a group in the CIA that is actually dedicated to solving what they believe the WikiLeaks, the problem.
[28:01.390 --> 28:09.190]  [SPEAKER_09]: And they've named this group the WikiLeaks Task Force, which has the best acronym I think the CIA has ever come up with.
[28:10.530 --> 28:13.370]  [SPEAKER_09]: So, you know, I can say nice things about the CIA sometimes.
[28:13.910 --> 28:17.930]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think I'm in favor of the CIA engaging in WTF tactics.
[28:20.570 --> 28:24.550]  [SPEAKER_09]: We've apparently set Dot right off.
[28:24.870 --> 28:25.250]  [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know.
[28:25.410 --> 28:27.570]  [SPEAKER_09]: But we have a rap to play.
[28:28.090 --> 28:28.910]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yes, yes, we do.
[28:28.930 --> 28:33.110]  [SPEAKER_09]: And there's not nearly enough raps on this show, so maybe...
[28:33.110 --> 28:34.930]  [SPEAKER_08]: Should I kick it off, then?
[28:35.170 --> 28:36.910]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, maybe we should explain what it is.
[28:37.010 --> 28:37.210]  [SPEAKER_09]: All right.
[28:37.290 --> 28:39.270]  [SPEAKER_09]: I think Rob knows better than anyone.
[28:39.630 --> 28:44.150]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I think the producers of this are called The Juice Media, I believe that is.
[28:44.290 --> 28:44.470]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[28:44.470 --> 28:55.090]  [SPEAKER_03]: And they do something called Rap News, which is a series of YouTube videos, MP3s and so on, which are basically news reports in the form of a rap music.
[28:55.330 --> 28:59.730]  [SPEAKER_03]: And they do impressions of public figures and things like that.
[29:00.010 --> 29:02.910]  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that's really all the explanation this one needs.
[29:03.650 --> 29:04.010]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[29:22.800 --> 29:23.660]  [SPEAKER_21]: Good morning.
[29:23.900 --> 29:28.380]  [SPEAKER_21]: This is a Juice News call out in the wake of Cable Gate and the subsequent fallout.
[29:28.380 --> 29:39.080]  [SPEAKER_21]: Balls out revelations, observations of diplomats, giving actual confirmation of hidden facts, spilling back room deals, leaking leaders' chit-chat, money laundering and tit-for-tat, spits and spats.
[29:39.240 --> 29:43.920]  [SPEAKER_21]: The picture that emerges, provided by the service, shines light further behind the wire curtain.
[29:44.140 --> 29:46.520]  [SPEAKER_21]: Certainly this has divided views of the populace.
[29:46.520 --> 29:49.040]  [SPEAKER_21]: Some say it's obvious, nothing new in these documents.
[29:49.200 --> 29:51.720]  [SPEAKER_21]: Others say it's ominous and applaud the revelations.
[29:51.880 --> 29:54.420]  [SPEAKER_21]: Others still call for the messenger's assassination.
[29:54.780 --> 29:59.720]  [SPEAKER_21]: Following Assange's arrest and calls for his head, over 9,000 counter-attacks on all of the web.
[29:59.880 --> 30:04.420]  [SPEAKER_21]: The State Department being forced to defend, spying at the UN and a secret war in Yemen.
[30:04.420 --> 30:09.760]  [SPEAKER_21]: Despite DDoS attacks on WikiLeaks' system, day by day cables still spray through mirror reflection.
[30:09.980 --> 30:12.380]  [SPEAKER_21]: Will Cable Gate change the game or lead to repression?
[30:12.580 --> 30:15.040]  [SPEAKER_21]: We get face to face with Hillary Clinton.
[30:15.180 --> 30:17.800]  [SPEAKER_21]: Hillary Clinton, how does it feel to get looped off?
[30:17.860 --> 30:18.660]  [SPEAKER_21]: It's scandalous.
[30:18.860 --> 30:20.420]  [SPEAKER_21]: This is a case of high treason.
[30:20.720 --> 30:22.940]  [SPEAKER_21]: It's against the land of the brave and divine freedom.
[30:23.120 --> 30:24.560]  [SPEAKER_21]: We're the good guys for democracy.
[30:24.740 --> 30:25.520]  [SPEAKER_21]: We fight evil.
[30:25.720 --> 30:28.480]  [SPEAKER_21]: And we've waged peace around the world, proud of the flag.
[30:28.480 --> 30:33.260]  [SPEAKER_21]: These leaks could devalue this powerful brand, bring military operations straight to a halt.
[30:33.460 --> 30:36.220]  [SPEAKER_21]: Our shareholders, clients and partners would plainly revolt.
[30:36.380 --> 30:38.740]  [SPEAKER_21]: But aren't you beholden to the American public?
[30:38.900 --> 30:42.560]  [SPEAKER_21]: And isn't the US one of the primary culprits in overthrowing governments?
[30:42.740 --> 30:43.280]  [SPEAKER_21]: Such as?
[30:43.400 --> 30:44.880]  [SPEAKER_21]: Chile, Iran, Nicaragua?
[30:45.080 --> 30:46.340]  [SPEAKER_21]: Please, stop with the drama.
[30:46.620 --> 30:51.620]  [SPEAKER_21]: The American people are our employees, whose taxes fund the wars that support our schemes.
[30:51.800 --> 30:56.560]  [SPEAKER_21]: Their kids become troops we send overseas in return for mega-malls in the American dream.
[30:56.560 --> 31:01.840]  [SPEAKER_02]: And if our client states don't like the things that we do, we install a dictator with a CIA coup.
[31:02.160 --> 31:04.500]  [SPEAKER_21]: In foreign relations, subversion is the method we use.
[31:04.760 --> 31:07.200]  [SPEAKER_21]: WikiLeaks threaten the system, so it's a terrorist group.
[31:07.420 --> 31:12.540]  [SPEAKER_21]: But people at the world seem to generally approve of WikiLeaks' actions in spreading the truth.
[31:12.640 --> 31:12.980]  [SPEAKER_02]: They do?
[31:13.160 --> 31:15.100]  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, then they're terrorists, too.
[31:15.440 --> 31:17.720]  [SPEAKER_02]: Dissenters are traitors, as history proved.
[31:17.960 --> 31:18.920]  [SPEAKER_02]: And they always lose.
[31:19.200 --> 31:19.760]  [SPEAKER_21]: That's curious.
[31:20.020 --> 31:23.440]  [SPEAKER_21]: Weren't some of our greatest heroes persecuted for this reason?
[31:23.600 --> 31:23.800]  [SPEAKER_02]: Who?
[31:23.980 --> 31:25.440]  [SPEAKER_21]: Mandela, Gandhi, Jesus?
[31:27.340 --> 31:28.300]  [SPEAKER_21]: You idealists.
[31:28.600 --> 31:30.200]  [SPEAKER_21]: Okay, now for another perspective.
[31:30.500 --> 31:32.300]  [SPEAKER_21]: Prison Planet host, Alex Jones.
[31:32.360 --> 31:33.920]  [SPEAKER_21]: She will be the megaphone.
[31:34.040 --> 31:38.780]  [SPEAKER_19]: This Assange has apparently shown the emperor on the palace throne grabbing his clothes.
[31:38.960 --> 31:41.300]  [SPEAKER_19]: But I've heard anecdotes, I'll show it fits.
[31:41.420 --> 31:43.640]  [SPEAKER_19]: This patch, he's a triple agent for the globalists.
[31:44.240 --> 31:49.220]  [SPEAKER_19]: He blames openness, but he's actually a catalyst for the one world government of commie Nazi fascists.
[31:49.300 --> 31:51.380]  [SPEAKER_19]: Robert, I'm getting paranoid, I need to stay.
[31:51.380 --> 31:54.280]  [SPEAKER_19]: This is a false flag attack to bring in a police state.
[31:54.400 --> 31:55.580]  [SPEAKER_19]: A Cyber 9-11.
[31:55.720 --> 31:56.800]  [SPEAKER_19]: That's the secret vision.
[31:57.000 --> 31:59.520]  [SPEAKER_19]: Right now they're debriefing, dueling in a British prison.
[31:59.520 --> 32:01.680]  [SPEAKER_19]: But so, WikiLeaks is an inside job?
[32:01.820 --> 32:04.660]  [SPEAKER_21]: They hide the truth to distract from the climate deal in Cancun!
[32:04.660 --> 32:07.500]  [SPEAKER_21]: You tried doing my job without hiding something.
[32:07.780 --> 32:09.980]  [SPEAKER_21]: I ain't called secretary of state for nothing.
[32:10.220 --> 32:12.620]  [SPEAKER_21]: But surely, now you're exposed out on the stage.
[32:12.620 --> 32:17.820]  [SPEAKER_21]: One would expect the world's leaders to be outraged by the spying, lies, emerging charges.
[32:18.020 --> 32:20.360]  [SPEAKER_21]: Now on the line, it's Colonel Gaddafi.
[32:20.360 --> 32:21.340]  [SPEAKER_21]: As-salamu alaykum.
[32:21.580 --> 32:22.440]  [SPEAKER_21]: Alekum as-salam.
[32:22.540 --> 32:23.300]  [SPEAKER_21]: Are you outraged?
[32:23.440 --> 32:28.900]  [SPEAKER_21]: Well, now that there's a Muslim brother, President of US, we expected secrets to be kept.
[32:29.100 --> 32:33.180]  [SPEAKER_21]: Now we have to keep abreast of these huge security leaks.
[32:33.520 --> 32:35.580]  [SPEAKER_21]: Obama must get firm grip on Wiki.
[32:36.140 --> 32:38.380]  [SPEAKER_21]: How about you, Mr. Berlusconi?
[32:38.460 --> 32:41.160]  [SPEAKER_21]: Will your reputation fall more in this pandemonium?
[32:41.680 --> 32:44.380]  [SPEAKER_21]: Maroretto, gli italiani mi amono come bambini.
[32:44.640 --> 32:46.620]  [SPEAKER_21]: E li lo met volutni come musselini.
[32:46.820 --> 32:49.240]  [SPEAKER_21]: The American flag is symbol global of liberty.
[32:49.460 --> 32:51.740]  [SPEAKER_21]: And I love Hillary, though she's a bit too old for me.
[32:51.960 --> 32:54.380]  [SPEAKER_21]: By the way, Robert, how much for your new show?
[32:54.500 --> 32:55.260]  [SPEAKER_21]: I pay cash.
[32:55.660 --> 32:57.100]  [SPEAKER_21]: I just got some rubles.
[32:57.300 --> 32:59.800]  [SPEAKER_21]: Sorry, Silvio, we have scruples, it's not for sale.
[32:59.900 --> 33:02.560]  [SPEAKER_21]: Vago, Hillary, come have a cigar at my hotel.
[33:02.820 --> 33:06.180]  [SPEAKER_21]: Well, Hillary, it appears that the leaders are not that outraged.
[33:06.380 --> 33:07.420]  [SPEAKER_02]: Are you serious?
[33:07.640 --> 33:08.180]  [SPEAKER_02]: Of course not.
[33:08.360 --> 33:11.000]  [SPEAKER_02]: We're one happy family tree, son, as you'll see soon.
[33:11.000 --> 33:12.800]  [SPEAKER_02]: When we hang a cent for treason.
[33:13.240 --> 33:13.680]  [SPEAKER_21]: Treason?
[33:13.840 --> 33:15.380]  [SPEAKER_21]: Could an Australian ever stand trial?
[33:15.580 --> 33:15.780]  [SPEAKER_21]: Ha!
[33:16.220 --> 33:17.900]  [SPEAKER_21]: Australia's in the American empire.
[33:18.140 --> 33:20.700]  [SPEAKER_02]: We have puppet states, franchisees, subsidiaries.
[33:20.840 --> 33:22.960]  [SPEAKER_02]: Provided they obey their guaranteed liberty.
[33:23.200 --> 33:24.980]  [SPEAKER_02]: We're not letting a cent get out of our grip.
[33:25.180 --> 33:28.060]  [SPEAKER_02]: You know how hard it was to plant a condom that split?
[33:28.240 --> 33:29.120]  [SPEAKER_21]: Hell, you turd.
[33:29.200 --> 33:30.960]  [SPEAKER_21]: Your Bilderberg lives are blatant.
[33:31.080 --> 33:33.460]  [SPEAKER_21]: But Alex, where's your evidence that Assange is an agent?
[33:33.720 --> 33:40.020]  [SPEAKER_20]: Well, obviously, this is a globalist psyops plot designed to keep us in the dark.
[33:40.020 --> 33:41.360]  [SPEAKER_20]: They're climbing in your windows.
[33:41.540 --> 33:43.100]  [SPEAKER_20]: They're snatching your income tax.
[33:43.320 --> 33:44.120]  [SPEAKER_20]: But I didn't slave you.
[33:44.220 --> 33:45.580]  [SPEAKER_20]: So you'll need to hide your kids.
[33:45.700 --> 33:46.360]  [SPEAKER_20]: Hide your wife.
[33:46.540 --> 33:47.180]  [SPEAKER_20]: Buy a good.
[33:47.300 --> 33:47.940]  [SPEAKER_20]: Buy a knife.
[33:48.100 --> 33:48.740]  [SPEAKER_20]: Watch my soul.
[33:48.940 --> 33:49.620]  [SPEAKER_20]: Buy your gold.
[33:49.740 --> 33:50.700]  [SPEAKER_20]: And buy your silver.
[33:50.780 --> 33:52.520]  [SPEAKER_20]: Cause they're slaving everybody out here.
[33:52.660 --> 33:54.740]  [SPEAKER_20]: We don't have to look for no facts.
[33:54.920 --> 33:56.000]  [SPEAKER_20]: We know this is true.
[33:56.180 --> 33:57.560]  [SPEAKER_20]: They gon' chip you.
[33:57.740 --> 33:58.940]  [SPEAKER_20]: They gon' tag you.
[33:59.040 --> 34:00.520]  [SPEAKER_20]: But we can run and yell that.
[34:00.680 --> 34:01.740]  [SPEAKER_20]: Run and yell that.
[34:01.920 --> 34:02.280]  [SPEAKER_20]: Run and yell that.
[34:02.280 --> 34:02.920]  [SPEAKER_20]: Run and yell that.
[34:03.180 --> 34:03.740]  [SPEAKER_20]: New world.
[34:03.980 --> 34:04.660]  [SPEAKER_20]: New world.
[34:05.280 --> 34:08.040]  [SPEAKER_22]: We got his IP hit and left out at this and all.
[34:08.180 --> 34:08.880]  [SPEAKER_22]: He is so done.
[34:09.140 --> 34:11.420]  [SPEAKER_22]: He is really going on trial.
[34:11.680 --> 34:13.700]  [SPEAKER_22]: But what is Assange accused of?
[34:13.920 --> 34:17.340]  [SPEAKER_22]: I was molested by Julian in the Stockholm.
[34:18.000 --> 34:18.760]  [SPEAKER_20]: So done.
[34:18.920 --> 34:19.540]  [SPEAKER_20]: So done.
[34:19.660 --> 34:20.300]  [SPEAKER_20]: So done.
[34:20.300 --> 34:20.980]  [SPEAKER_20]: And so...
[34:23.870 --> 34:24.350]  [SPEAKER_21]: Okay.
[34:24.610 --> 34:26.290]  [SPEAKER_21]: It's almost time to end for the day.
[34:26.630 --> 34:28.850]  [SPEAKER_21]: But until we meet again, a few questions remain.
[34:29.150 --> 34:31.710]  [SPEAKER_21]: Is WikiLeaks really the greatest threat that we face?
[34:31.850 --> 34:34.550]  [SPEAKER_21]: Or is it the response we're seeing in defence of the state?
[34:34.710 --> 34:41.950]  [SPEAKER_21]: A response which is building and seeks to turn back the clock on freedom of speech and fundamental rights earned over a century.
[34:42.150 --> 34:44.750]  [SPEAKER_21]: This should ring alarm bells for all who know their history.
[34:44.950 --> 34:49.830]  [SPEAKER_21]: From this evidence, are we neglecting our memory and repeating the trajectory of the 20th century?
[34:49.830 --> 34:55.050]  [SPEAKER_21]: And if so, upon seeing the facts but ceasing to act, don't we deserve the leaders we have?
[34:55.230 --> 35:00.330]  [SPEAKER_21]: What needs to befall before we open the door and yell, I'M MAD AS HELL, I'M NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE!
[35:00.450 --> 35:05.730]  [SPEAKER_21]: Or do we sit waiting for messiahs or aliens or a superhero if they're not all one and the same meme?
[35:05.910 --> 35:07.870]  [SPEAKER_21]: History, dear viewers, is happening.
[35:08.250 --> 35:10.570]  [SPEAKER_21]: Will we ever get a similar chance again?
[35:10.910 --> 35:13.570]  [SPEAKER_21]: History books will be written about events this month.
[35:13.770 --> 35:16.710]  [SPEAKER_21]: The story they will tell is up to us.
[35:24.610 --> 35:25.170]  [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[35:27.150 --> 35:27.910]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, there you go.
[35:28.430 --> 35:30.050]  [SPEAKER_03]: The Juice Media, Rap News.
[35:30.430 --> 35:32.710]  [SPEAKER_03]: It's worth catching up on the rest of them if you haven't seen them yet.
[35:32.750 --> 35:33.690]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, the wigs are awesome.
[35:34.270 --> 35:35.130]  [SPEAKER_09]: They're the best part.
[35:35.250 --> 35:37.970]  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the rap's okay, but the wigs, you really gotta see them.
[35:38.070 --> 35:40.690]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the visual component is very much important.
[35:40.710 --> 35:41.550]  [SPEAKER_03]: And that's on YouTube?
[35:41.810 --> 35:42.750]  [SPEAKER_03]: It's on YouTube, yes.
[35:43.470 --> 35:49.750]  [SPEAKER_17]: Hey guys, that's a really good form of activism, I think, is speech, rap music.
[35:49.990 --> 35:54.210]  [SPEAKER_17]: It's a way of really getting the word out and expressing yourself.
[35:55.150 --> 35:59.250]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, this is like a really creative tool, like getting a visual element.
[35:59.470 --> 36:01.990]  [SPEAKER_07]: And I laughed when I saw this.
[36:02.170 --> 36:10.810]  [SPEAKER_07]: So, these are the kinds of things that I think you need to see a lot of in situations like this, because when people can find humor in situations, I think they start to get it.
[36:11.210 --> 36:12.370]  [SPEAKER_07]: So, go ahead, Rob.
[36:12.690 --> 36:17.950]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and in between all the jokes, it actually is a very decent explanation of, I think, the issues at hand.
[36:18.770 --> 36:21.290]  [SPEAKER_03]: I wonder, maybe we should start wrapping on this show.
[36:21.290 --> 36:21.890]  [SPEAKER_03]: What do you guys think?
[36:22.430 --> 36:23.450]  [SPEAKER_09]: You first, Rob.
[36:23.590 --> 36:23.730]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[36:25.950 --> 36:27.510]  [SPEAKER_09]: How long do we have to wait?
[36:27.630 --> 36:27.910]  [SPEAKER_09]: Come on.
[36:29.390 --> 36:29.870]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[36:30.230 --> 36:31.150]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, well...
[36:31.150 --> 36:34.610]  [SPEAKER_03]: We could start a wrap battle right here, and I think we'll all lose.
[36:35.010 --> 36:35.790]  [SPEAKER_09]: That'd be something.
[36:36.010 --> 36:40.870]  [SPEAKER_09]: Some news from Venezuela, where the parliament has voted to tighten the rules on the Internet.
[36:42.050 --> 36:48.530]  [SPEAKER_09]: Under the bill, this is according to the BBC, online messages inciting hatred or political and religious intolerance are banned.
[36:48.530 --> 36:53.850]  [SPEAKER_09]: And the new law also prohibits contents which are deemed to disrespect public officials.
[36:54.890 --> 37:00.110]  [SPEAKER_09]: And opposition politicians voted against the measure, which they said is a threat to freedom of speech.
[37:00.970 --> 37:05.970]  [SPEAKER_09]: And Chavez gives some lengthy excuse for why it's really all okay, and we should just trust him.
[37:06.150 --> 37:09.190]  [SPEAKER_09]: But, yeah.
[37:09.430 --> 37:14.890]  [SPEAKER_09]: So, you know, some countries are ahead of the United States in online censorship.
[37:15.710 --> 37:16.150]  [SPEAKER_09]: Some...
[37:16.750 --> 37:18.150]  [SPEAKER_08]: How broadly is that applied?
[37:18.330 --> 37:19.170]  [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, does that...
[37:19.170 --> 37:23.930]  [SPEAKER_08]: Is it just applied that if you're within the country and you do something like that, then you're in trouble?
[37:24.150 --> 37:24.450]  [SPEAKER_08]: Or...
[37:24.450 --> 37:27.710]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, Venezuela doesn't quite have the same reach as the United States.
[37:27.930 --> 37:28.110]  [SPEAKER_09]: Right.
[37:28.410 --> 37:33.590]  [SPEAKER_09]: So, it would be hard for the Venezuelan courts to, like, get you if you're not in Venezuela.
[37:35.170 --> 37:44.370]  [SPEAKER_08]: No, I just meant in terms of if you were to, you know, post it on a service that's outside of the country or something like that, kind of what's there?
[37:44.530 --> 37:45.530]  [SPEAKER_09]: If you're in Venezuela?
[37:45.810 --> 37:45.910]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[37:45.950 --> 37:46.730]  [SPEAKER_09]: I'm sure they don't care.
[37:48.150 --> 37:48.550]  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
[37:48.790 --> 37:51.430]  [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, the same as in the United States.
[37:51.570 --> 37:53.050]  [SPEAKER_09]: If you're in the United States and you...
[37:53.050 --> 37:53.510]  [SPEAKER_09]: Commit a crime.
[37:53.550 --> 38:00.850]  [SPEAKER_09]: And you do something that violates the laws of the United States but use a web server that's somewhere else, like, they'll still come and arrest you if they can catch you.
[38:00.850 --> 38:01.190]  [SPEAKER_09]: Right.
[38:02.310 --> 38:07.690]  [SPEAKER_17]: Well, Venezuela is far from the only country that's involved in this kind of controversy.
[38:08.580 --> 38:18.390]  [SPEAKER_17]: The UK wants to block pornography at the source so that children don't accidentally or on purpose go and see it.
[38:18.570 --> 38:24.670]  [SPEAKER_17]: And people who run ISPs are basically trying to tell the British government that that is simply not possible.
[38:24.670 --> 38:46.670]  [SPEAKER_17]: In response to the government proposal, Nicholas Lansman, who is secretary general of the ISP industry body known as ISPA, ISPA, ISPA firmly believes that controls on children's access to the Internet should be managed by parents and carers with the tools ISPs provide rather than being imposed top-down.
[38:46.670 --> 39:02.410]  [SPEAKER_17]: I think it's incredible, though, that in this day and age, a government thinks that they can really do this, get away with this, and simply make it impossible for anybody to access certain things they find offensive without jumping through hoops.
[39:02.590 --> 39:03.310]  [SPEAKER_09]: So how would it work?
[39:03.370 --> 39:09.630]  [SPEAKER_09]: Would there be, like, an office in the British government that's responsible for, like, finding all the pornography on the Internet and making a list?
[39:10.730 --> 39:11.470]  [SPEAKER_09]: Checking out twice?
[39:11.470 --> 39:11.550]  [SPEAKER_09]: Checking out twice?
[39:11.730 --> 39:12.090]  [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know.
[39:12.630 --> 39:13.510]  [SPEAKER_17]: That's what they're thinking.
[39:14.010 --> 39:17.110]  [SPEAKER_17]: They have to, obviously, know what to block in order to be able to do it.
[39:18.330 --> 39:19.730]  [SPEAKER_17]: But it's a nightmare.
[39:19.730 --> 39:22.170]  [SPEAKER_17]: It would be something the ISPs would find impossible.
[39:22.470 --> 39:30.850]  [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, what we've seen again and again with these sorts of filters is that they're both overbroad in that they block content that is not, in fact, pornographic.
[39:31.710 --> 39:35.930]  [SPEAKER_09]: You know, they'll block information about breast cancer or homosexuality or all kinds of things.
[39:35.930 --> 39:39.570]  [SPEAKER_09]: And then they're underbroad in that they miss actual pornography sites.
[39:39.810 --> 39:45.670]  [SPEAKER_09]: And then they're stupid in the first place because pornography is not, in general, illegal in the United Kingdom.
[39:45.810 --> 39:49.930]  [SPEAKER_09]: So it's really dangerous, this regulation.
[39:49.930 --> 39:50.790]  [SPEAKER_13]: But it's a good place to start.
[39:50.930 --> 40:00.830]  [SPEAKER_13]: You know, if we start with something like pornography that all the, you know, good, wholesome people don't like, then we can, you know, move on to better, more dangerous things like WikiLeaks.
[40:01.350 --> 40:02.330]  [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, of course.
[40:02.490 --> 40:05.630]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, WikiLeaks would find its way onto this list if the list existed yet.
[40:05.630 --> 40:09.530]  [SPEAKER_09]: But even without the abuse, it's just absurd.
[40:10.430 --> 40:10.950]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[40:11.850 --> 40:18.410]  [SPEAKER_17]: Well, there's this organization known as the Internet Watch Foundation, IWF, and they exist now.
[40:18.490 --> 40:26.390]  [SPEAKER_17]: What they do is they circulate lists to ISPs of various sites that are found to be hosting illegal images of child sexual abuse.
[40:26.910 --> 40:31.650]  [SPEAKER_17]: And they basically get that list together through information given to them by the public.
[40:31.990 --> 40:35.050]  [SPEAKER_17]: But it only tackles illegal content found on websites.
[40:35.730 --> 40:55.170]  [SPEAKER_17]: What the British government wants to do is create a system that would be dealing with millions of foreign sites, chat rooms, bulletin boards, and basically what one of the people who is an expert on this says, you'll end up with a system that's either hugely expensive and a losing battle because there are millions of these sites or it just won't be effective.
[40:55.510 --> 41:08.310]  [SPEAKER_03]: And an important component of how this whole system would work is that pornography would end up being an opt-in thing in the UK where you would have to call your ISP and ask, yes, please, may I look at porn?
[41:09.390 --> 41:09.830]  [SPEAKER_17]: Exactly.
[41:10.110 --> 41:12.890]  [SPEAKER_17]: And that's going to be very embarrassing for a lot of people to do.
[41:13.630 --> 41:14.470]  [SPEAKER_03]: No sex, please.
[41:14.630 --> 41:14.850]  [SPEAKER_03]: We're British.
[41:15.970 --> 41:19.970]  [SPEAKER_07]: And doesn't this amount to basically governments investing in porn?
[41:20.130 --> 41:37.950]  [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, if they're going to be, you know, cataloging it and becoming the biggest clearing house for knowing where it is at all times, you know, we could just see somebody compromising that and then all of a sudden, you know, we have these big indexes of where all this stuff is and it just seems like a lot of expense towards,
[41:38.230 --> 41:41.910]  [SPEAKER_07]: it's just, again, ignorance on the part of the government.
[41:41.910 --> 41:57.650]  [SPEAKER_07]: It just seems like a lot of expense towards something that, as he mentioned a second ago, like maybe parents should be responsible for and maybe as a society we should look at the bigger issues around our attitudes with sexuality and what we're teaching,
[41:57.770 --> 42:00.330]  [SPEAKER_07]: teaching like youth and stuff.
[42:00.450 --> 42:03.850]  [SPEAKER_17]: I do think it's important though, I don't want to be too one-sided here.
[42:03.850 --> 42:09.650]  [SPEAKER_17]: I think we should give the other side a chance to express themselves in a way that only they can do.
[42:09.890 --> 42:18.970]  [SPEAKER_17]: And for that, I think we should turn to Miranda Soot, who is the co-chair of Safer Media, that they campaigned to make media safe for children.
[42:19.570 --> 42:29.510]  [SPEAKER_17]: She said to the BBC that the pornography available on the Internet was qualitatively and quantitatively different from any that has gone before.
[42:29.510 --> 42:33.130]  [SPEAKER_17]: Ms. Soot cited a report compiled by the U.S.
[42:33.630 --> 42:39.870]  [SPEAKER_17]: conservative think tank, the Witherspoon Institute, which suggested that easy access...
[42:39.870 --> 42:41.830]  [SPEAKER_17]: There's nothing funny about that name, but...
[42:41.830 --> 42:42.510]  [SPEAKER_17]: I'm sorry.
[42:42.510 --> 42:49.690]  [SPEAKER_17]: The Witherspoon Institute, which suggested that easy access to pornography was damaging some young people.
[42:50.070 --> 42:54.170]  [SPEAKER_17]: Children are becoming addicted in their teens to Internet pornography, she said.
[42:54.490 --> 42:58.790]  [SPEAKER_17]: They are being mentally damaged, so they cannot engage in intimate relationships.
[42:59.550 --> 43:04.790]  [SPEAKER_17]: Safer Media backed the government call to block pornography at source, said Ms. Soot.
[43:04.790 --> 43:09.090]  [SPEAKER_17]: What we are talking about is censorship to protect our children, she said.
[43:09.630 --> 43:17.710]  [SPEAKER_18]: So, Emmanuel, is Ms. Soot saying that qualitatively, Internet porn is qualitatively better or worse than the porn that preceded it?
[43:17.970 --> 43:26.250]  [SPEAKER_17]: Well, I don't have her here to ask, but I imagine the pornography that she's familiar with, she's saying, is much better than what's out there now.
[43:26.470 --> 43:29.570]  [SPEAKER_17]: Oh, I probably would disagree with that, but anyway...
[43:30.050 --> 43:33.590]  [SPEAKER_17]: Well, we should trade notes, I guess, and figure out, you know, who's got the better stash.
[43:33.590 --> 43:34.310]  [SPEAKER_17]: Uh-huh.
[43:36.230 --> 43:38.030]  [SPEAKER_09]: And once we've done that...
[43:39.650 --> 43:40.130]  [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah.
[43:40.390 --> 43:42.690]  [SPEAKER_17]: Let's change gears here.
[43:43.010 --> 43:56.490]  [SPEAKER_17]: First of all, I'd like to take some phone calls, because I'd love to test this system with listeners as well, to see if us talking into a computer here in Copenhagen, paying not a single penny for it, is something that will interface well with the WBAI phone system.
[43:57.170 --> 43:59.330]  [SPEAKER_17]: 212-209-2900 is our phone number.
[43:59.330 --> 44:06.070]  [SPEAKER_17]: But also, I wanted to take a moment to talk about what happened with Prometheus, Prometheus Radio Project, in the last week.
[44:06.970 --> 44:15.010]  [SPEAKER_17]: They basically are celebrating a victory on Low Power FM and the local community radio act.
[44:15.110 --> 44:16.530]  [SPEAKER_17]: Does anybody have more information on this?
[44:16.530 --> 44:18.570]  [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah, I actually stopped by.
[44:18.710 --> 44:24.030]  [SPEAKER_18]: I was at the church, the headquarters of Prometheus yesterday, stopping by to say hello.
[44:24.470 --> 44:29.830]  [SPEAKER_18]: And I talked with Maggie and some other people there about this very issue.
[44:29.830 --> 44:53.930]  [SPEAKER_18]: Basically, what this means is there will be... this law, which now has been voted on by both the House and the Senate, and a president will be signing it any day now, will allow many more low-power FM stations that are non-profit community stations to be established throughout the United States.
[44:54.750 --> 45:02.130]  [SPEAKER_18]: And basically, what it does is it allows some what are called second-adjacent frequencies to be allocated to low-power FM stations.
[45:02.730 --> 45:12.270]  [SPEAKER_18]: Up until now, for the past ten years or so, since Prometheus was successful and a bunch of other people were successful in getting third-adjacent frequencies allocated to LPFM.
[45:12.270 --> 45:23.870]  [SPEAKER_18]: Basically, what this means is that, you know, you look on the FM dial and there's a... you know, the stations will be at like 99.5, which is WBAI, and there's 99.7, 99.9.
[45:24.110 --> 45:25.110]  [SPEAKER_18]: There are odd splits.
[45:25.430 --> 45:44.330]  [SPEAKER_18]: So, the National Association of Broadcasters and NPR vehemently opposed stations being low-power FM stations, which are only like 100 watts or so, from being less than three spots away from a big, big, you know, flamethrower commercial or NPR station.
[45:44.550 --> 45:50.890]  [SPEAKER_18]: And, you know, that's ridiculous, because in any major market, there are no clear spaces that are three adjacent slots away.
[45:51.530 --> 46:03.350]  [SPEAKER_18]: So, this new law allows low-power FM stations to get licenses that are only two adjacent, you know, frequencies away, which opens up way more slots for low-power FM stations to establish.
[46:03.350 --> 46:14.690]  [SPEAKER_18]: So, this is really a big deal, it sounds kind of technical, but it basically allows more channels to be available in the existing FM spectrum to non-commercial low-power community FM stations, and it's a really good thing.
[46:14.930 --> 46:17.290]  [SPEAKER_08]: Probably not in urban areas, right, but...
[46:17.290 --> 46:19.150]  [SPEAKER_18]: No, no, still not in urban areas.
[46:19.270 --> 46:24.670]  [SPEAKER_18]: There really aren't even a second adjacent frequencies available in more urban areas, but in more urban areas than before.
[46:25.030 --> 46:30.230]  [SPEAKER_18]: So, some of the smaller cities still will now be able to have low-power community FM stations.
[46:31.090 --> 46:39.110]  [SPEAKER_18]: And you go through any major market like New York or Philadelphia or L.A., you know, there's just so many radio stations, there just aren't even any more second-adjacent spots available.
[46:39.470 --> 46:40.410]  [SPEAKER_09]: How do I...
[46:40.410 --> 46:41.250]  [SPEAKER_18]: This is huge.
[46:41.470 --> 46:44.970]  [SPEAKER_09]: How do I get one if I live in a not-too-populated area?
[46:45.190 --> 46:54.730]  [SPEAKER_18]: Well, the best guide, really, is go to PrometheusRadio.org, and you can find out exactly how to go through the license application process.
[46:55.890 --> 47:12.670]  [SPEAKER_18]: There's, you know, scores of stations, hundreds of stations have been built over the past decade due to a grassroots movement largely headed up by Prometheus, and who's, you know, a regular speaker at the HOPE conferences, and good stuff.
[47:12.810 --> 47:20.690]  [SPEAKER_18]: So check out the Prometheus Radio Project's website for more information about how to establish a noncommercial low-power FM radio station in your community.
[47:22.530 --> 47:25.670]  [SPEAKER_17]: And that website is PrometheusRadio.org.
[47:26.530 --> 47:27.970]  [SPEAKER_17]: That's P-R-O-M-E...
[47:27.970 --> 47:28.730]  [SPEAKER_17]: That's right.
[47:28.870 --> 47:29.590]  [SPEAKER_17]: They're just...
[47:29.590 --> 47:31.710]  [SPEAKER_17]: P-E-U-S-R-A-D-I-O.
[47:31.950 --> 47:32.690]  [SPEAKER_17]: That's correct.
[47:32.870 --> 47:33.150]  [SPEAKER_17]: Thank you.
[47:34.770 --> 47:39.690]  [SPEAKER_03]: Now, Emmanuel, you were mentioning someone by the name of Miranda Suit earlier.
[47:39.990 --> 47:42.070]  [SPEAKER_03]: And this person is actually...
[47:42.070 --> 47:48.090]  [SPEAKER_03]: She's the one behind a lot of these quotes in the UK media in favor of their censorship plan.
[47:48.730 --> 47:52.450]  [SPEAKER_03]: She actually turns out to be a fairly interesting individual herself.
[47:53.470 --> 47:58.710]  [SPEAKER_03]: I have in front of me her bio on a site called The Christian Choice.
[47:58.790 --> 48:00.850]  [SPEAKER_03]: It's an organization called The Christian People's Alliance.
[48:00.850 --> 48:02.830]  [SPEAKER_03]: There's a very interesting quote from her here.
[48:03.450 --> 48:03.930]  [SPEAKER_03]: It's...
[48:05.770 --> 48:09.890]  [SPEAKER_03]: Quoting Miranda Suit in her own bio, she says, We must not forget the influence of the media.
[48:09.890 --> 48:15.090]  [SPEAKER_03]: It needs much stronger regulation so that our young people are not constantly conditioned by violent films, video games, and lyrics.
[48:15.570 --> 48:20.490]  [SPEAKER_03]: Pornography must be outlawed so that it cannot undermine marriage and the dignity of women and encourage sex crime.
[48:20.690 --> 48:22.650]  [SPEAKER_03]: All schools should teach Christian values.
[48:24.630 --> 48:25.330]  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, gee.
[48:25.670 --> 48:26.150]  [SPEAKER_17]: Wow.
[48:26.790 --> 48:27.610]  [SPEAKER_18]: That's a...
[48:27.610 --> 48:28.710]  [SPEAKER_18]: What a surprise.
[48:29.090 --> 48:29.650]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, indeed.
[48:30.250 --> 48:31.050]  [SPEAKER_17]: I'm shocked.
[48:31.190 --> 48:31.790]  [SPEAKER_17]: I really am.
[48:33.150 --> 48:49.410]  [SPEAKER_03]: On the subject of indecency, someone has done something interesting with the project of ours, our Google Blacklist, which we spoke of earlier, which was basically the words blacklisted from Google Instant, which if you type into a Google search will not immediately return you results.
[48:49.830 --> 48:52.710]  [SPEAKER_03]: And there are lots of words on that list that naturally we can't say on the radio.
[48:52.710 --> 48:57.070]  [SPEAKER_03]: Somebody has built an application that's nice and seasonal.
[48:57.070 --> 48:58.130]  [SPEAKER_03]: It will take these words.
[48:58.330 --> 49:00.950]  [SPEAKER_03]: It will take this blacklist and let you build holiday cards out of them.
[49:01.390 --> 49:01.790]  [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.
[49:02.190 --> 49:03.430]  [SPEAKER_03]: The website for this.
[49:03.530 --> 49:06.110]  [SPEAKER_03]: And then you can email the cards or print them or do what you like.
[49:06.230 --> 49:10.190]  [SPEAKER_03]: And the URL for this is googleblackchristmas.com.
[49:11.050 --> 49:11.830]  [SPEAKER_03]: Very cool stuff.
[49:11.830 --> 49:15.630]  [SPEAKER_09]: If you want to send holiday cards and you don't have a lot of time.
[49:15.770 --> 49:19.570]  [SPEAKER_03]: If you want to send a holiday e-card that we could definitely not read on the radio, check that out.
[49:20.810 --> 49:22.850]  [SPEAKER_03]: I guess it really depends on who your friends are.
[49:23.990 --> 49:25.130]  [SPEAKER_17]: So we take some phone calls.
[49:25.350 --> 49:29.310]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, but let's say the phone number so that more people can get in the queue.
[49:30.030 --> 49:32.750]  [SPEAKER_17]: Once again, 212-209-2900.
[49:33.610 --> 49:34.130]  [SPEAKER_09]: All right.
[49:34.210 --> 49:36.250]  [SPEAKER_09]: So you're on the air.
[49:37.310 --> 49:37.710]  [SPEAKER_15]: Hello.
[49:38.050 --> 49:38.330]  [SPEAKER_09]: Hi.
[49:38.610 --> 49:38.930]  [SPEAKER_15]: Hi.
[49:39.410 --> 49:40.190]  [SPEAKER_15]: I'm on the air.
[49:40.370 --> 49:40.810]  [SPEAKER_09]: You are.
[49:40.990 --> 49:44.550]  [SPEAKER_15]: Well, I have a question and it's been...
[49:44.550 --> 49:45.730]  [SPEAKER_15]: I'm probably just missing something.
[49:45.870 --> 49:47.530]  [SPEAKER_15]: I think you're the guys who run it by.
[49:47.530 --> 49:55.490]  [SPEAKER_15]: In terms of this net neutrality and them saying that they want to...
[49:55.490 --> 49:58.670]  [SPEAKER_15]: Well, the argument was they're going to make people pay on different tiers.
[49:59.310 --> 50:04.750]  [SPEAKER_15]: But isn't that already going on because Verizon asks you if you want a certain amount of speed, you pay this?
[50:05.170 --> 50:06.410]  [SPEAKER_15]: So I was curious.
[50:06.430 --> 50:08.290]  [SPEAKER_15]: Am I wrong or am I missing something?
[50:08.650 --> 50:10.050]  [SPEAKER_09]: No, it's a good question.
[50:10.910 --> 50:13.850]  [SPEAKER_09]: So currently, you pay for the amount of speed you want.
[50:13.850 --> 50:17.550]  [SPEAKER_09]: But with that speed, you can download any content you wish.
[50:17.830 --> 50:28.990]  [SPEAKER_09]: With a new plan that is now legal, they could say, you know, in this lower tier, you can only visit our favorite 20 websites.
[50:30.070 --> 50:33.010]  [SPEAKER_09]: And that's something that is quite frightening.
[50:33.330 --> 50:34.270]  [SPEAKER_15]: Which is bothersome.
[50:34.370 --> 50:41.090]  [SPEAKER_15]: But in terms of before they passed all this legislation, I've noticed that you had to pay anyway for different types of speed.
[50:41.090 --> 50:44.270]  [SPEAKER_15]: And that was part of... I thought that was part of the conversation.
[50:44.690 --> 50:46.870]  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, it's more that...
[50:46.870 --> 50:51.030]  [SPEAKER_08]: So like Mike was saying, the speed you're paying for is then the speed.
[50:51.030 --> 50:54.750]  [SPEAKER_08]: And you get access to everything at that speed.
[50:55.510 --> 50:59.270]  [SPEAKER_08]: And whereas what you're talking about here is saying that, okay, you've paid for this service.
[50:59.270 --> 51:02.010]  [SPEAKER_08]: And now these things will get better priority.
[51:02.010 --> 51:04.670]  [SPEAKER_08]: So they may be faster or slower or not accessible at all.
[51:04.870 --> 51:09.310]  [SPEAKER_08]: So yes, you're paying for different speeds, but...
[51:09.310 --> 51:10.410]  [SPEAKER_15]: That's my primary question.
[51:10.530 --> 51:11.610]  [SPEAKER_15]: I know what you're saying here.
[51:11.750 --> 51:13.150]  [SPEAKER_15]: But my question is focused.
[51:13.650 --> 51:19.830]  [SPEAKER_15]: It wasn't that part of the conversation that people would have to then pay different to access different things?
[51:20.930 --> 51:22.930]  [SPEAKER_15]: Wasn't that initially part of the conversation?
[51:22.930 --> 51:24.170]  [SPEAKER_15]: I understand what you're saying.
[51:24.350 --> 51:33.230]  [SPEAKER_15]: But what my point is, haven't they already begun to do that even when they were saying they were going to see the process of us doing it or not?
[51:33.430 --> 51:36.130]  [SPEAKER_15]: But it seemed that they had already done it before.
[51:36.130 --> 51:39.170]  [SPEAKER_13]: In short, some ISPs have.
[51:39.490 --> 51:56.050]  [SPEAKER_13]: A good case in point is Comcast with BitTorrent, which is partly what brought the discussion into the legal realm was that some ISPs were starting to slow down or just block certain kinds of content.
[51:56.050 --> 51:57.470]  [SPEAKER_13]: But that's more of what it's about.
[51:57.610 --> 52:01.330]  [SPEAKER_13]: It's not necessarily about charging somebody for services they're being provided.
[52:01.670 --> 52:13.910]  [SPEAKER_13]: It's charging somebody for services that they're being provided and then saying, well, you know what, we're going to censor this or we don't like that content because it conflicts with some product we sell.
[52:13.910 --> 52:22.690]  [SPEAKER_15]: What I'm also curious about is if they already started that, what I refer to, are they already starting to limit or tell people where they cannot go?
[52:23.210 --> 52:29.110]  [SPEAKER_15]: Because it seems, for me, when I surf the web, I think I noticed that and I'm wondering, is that already going?
[52:29.210 --> 52:29.850]  [SPEAKER_15]: Who's monitoring?
[52:31.670 --> 52:37.250]  [SPEAKER_09]: So far as we know, the answer is no for a DSL or cable connection.
[52:38.210 --> 52:40.510]  [SPEAKER_09]: But you're right that there is no way to know for sure.
[52:41.030 --> 52:41.330]  [SPEAKER_15]: All right.
[52:41.410 --> 52:41.870]  [SPEAKER_15]: Thank you, fellas.
[52:42.170 --> 52:42.830]  [SPEAKER_09]: Thanks for the call.
[52:43.430 --> 52:45.270]  [SPEAKER_09]: Let's take this one.
[52:45.350 --> 52:45.850]  [SPEAKER_09]: You're on the air.
[52:46.910 --> 52:47.430]  [SPEAKER_16]: Hello.
[52:47.650 --> 52:48.510]  [SPEAKER_16]: Am I on the air?
[52:48.650 --> 52:49.010]  [SPEAKER_09]: You are.
[52:49.670 --> 52:50.190]  [SPEAKER_16]: Hi.
[52:50.490 --> 52:52.870]  [SPEAKER_16]: My name is Lauren from Mount Vernon.
[52:53.690 --> 53:02.890]  [SPEAKER_16]: I don't know if I can ask you guys this, but do you guys know how to get legal Internet or no?
[53:03.410 --> 53:04.350]  [SPEAKER_09]: Legal Internet?
[53:04.690 --> 53:05.830]  [SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, legal Internet.
[53:06.950 --> 53:09.910]  [SPEAKER_09]: Call your Internet provider, I guess.
[53:11.570 --> 53:12.250]  [SPEAKER_16]: All right.
[53:12.490 --> 53:16.250]  [SPEAKER_16]: So, I want to ask you guys another question.
[53:17.290 --> 53:21.590]  [SPEAKER_16]: So, right now I can access WikiLeaks.
[53:21.710 --> 53:24.870]  [SPEAKER_16]: So, when are they going to, like, officially ban WikiLeaks?
[53:26.830 --> 53:29.190]  [SPEAKER_09]: When are they going to officially ban WikiLeaks?
[53:29.290 --> 53:29.910]  [SPEAKER_09]: Hopefully never.
[53:30.530 --> 53:30.850]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[53:30.930 --> 53:40.690]  [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, that would require some filtering kind of... I mean, the government would have to impose some sort of filtering at the borders of the country, if you will, or at the ISP level.
[53:40.770 --> 53:41.870]  [SPEAKER_08]: And they haven't done that.
[53:41.930 --> 53:44.710]  [SPEAKER_08]: And I don't believe that they have the right to, at this point...
[53:44.710 --> 53:48.290]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, they haven't done it for the general public, although they have done it for members of their own staff.
[53:48.290 --> 53:48.470]  [SPEAKER_09]: Right.
[53:48.650 --> 53:56.590]  [SPEAKER_08]: If you're, you know, the government, if it's running your network, as if you're in the military, for example, then they can do whatever they want and block whatever they want.
[53:56.690 --> 54:01.770]  [SPEAKER_08]: But in terms of the general public, I don't think it's within their legal right to do that now.
[54:02.190 --> 54:05.590]  [SPEAKER_03]: Should this change, I'm sure we'll be talking about it, so stay tuned.
[54:05.770 --> 54:05.890]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.
[54:06.050 --> 54:06.590]  [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks for your call.
[54:06.750 --> 54:08.970]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, they don't even need to legislate it.
[54:09.050 --> 54:14.090]  [SPEAKER_13]: You know, they already have companies just, you know, laterally saying, well, we're not going to do business with WikiLeaks anyway.
[54:14.690 --> 54:17.070]  [SPEAKER_08]: But that's the company's decision, not a government mandate.
[54:17.070 --> 54:17.490]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, that's true.
[54:17.490 --> 54:17.930]  [SPEAKER_08]: There's a difference.
[54:18.450 --> 54:20.770]  [SPEAKER_09]: Anyway, let's take another phone call.
[54:21.150 --> 54:22.610]  [SPEAKER_09]: Hi, what's on your mind?
[54:23.650 --> 54:24.550]  [SPEAKER_17]: Oh, yeah, hi.
[54:27.670 --> 54:28.090]  [SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
[54:28.350 --> 54:28.630]  [SPEAKER_09]: All right.
[54:28.970 --> 54:31.810]  [SPEAKER_09]: See, I just want to know for the record that Rebel hung up on us that time.
[54:31.810 --> 54:33.110]  [SPEAKER_09]: We did not hang up on him.
[54:34.550 --> 54:35.550]  [SPEAKER_09]: What's on your mind?
[54:36.190 --> 54:38.530]  [SPEAKER_12]: Hi, I'll ask and then listen off the air.
[54:38.670 --> 54:51.750]  [SPEAKER_12]: I don't have cable, I don't have TV, I don't have a cell phone, but my home computer is a laptop running on a Sprint AirCard, which is broadband and wireless.
[54:52.050 --> 54:55.390]  [SPEAKER_12]: And I'm going to be at their mercy, and I'll listen off the air.
[54:56.290 --> 54:58.590]  [SPEAKER_09]: I think the short answer is yes, you're correct.
[54:59.370 --> 54:59.930]  [SPEAKER_09]: Absolutely.
[55:00.950 --> 55:02.930]  [SPEAKER_09]: I don't have anything reassuring to say.
[55:03.030 --> 55:03.590]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, sorry.
[55:06.430 --> 55:08.210]  [SPEAKER_09]: Let's try this phone call.
[55:08.350 --> 55:08.810]  [SPEAKER_09]: You're on the air.
[55:09.510 --> 55:10.370]  [SPEAKER_11]: Thanks, sir.
[55:11.270 --> 55:11.670]  [SPEAKER_11]: Hello?
[55:11.670 --> 55:11.910]  [SPEAKER_11]: Hello?
[55:12.030 --> 55:13.550]  [SPEAKER_09]: All right, that time we hung up on Rebel.
[55:14.790 --> 55:16.290]  [SPEAKER_03]: And balance is restored to the force.
[55:16.750 --> 55:17.510]  [SPEAKER_09]: You're on the air.
[55:18.530 --> 55:21.590]  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, hi, I'm Albert from Lower East Side.
[55:22.050 --> 55:22.830]  [SPEAKER_09]: What's on your mind?
[55:22.850 --> 55:24.210]  [SPEAKER_09]: We have just a minute left.
[55:24.470 --> 55:24.910]  [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[55:25.710 --> 55:30.190]  [SPEAKER_01]: I think we have to widen our view and look at the whole world situation.
[55:30.190 --> 55:36.410]  [SPEAKER_01]: Most of the major imperialist countries are imposing a lot of restrictions on the people.
[55:36.980 --> 55:40.730]  [SPEAKER_01]: And what we have to do here is stop reacting and start acting.
[55:41.110 --> 55:57.510]  [SPEAKER_01]: We continually react to everything that the right wing does, and it's all for the purpose of not them, they're just paid stooges, but the corporate elite and the finance capital that's pushing all of this.
[55:57.750 --> 56:07.490]  [SPEAKER_01]: And for the final battle that's coming up, the wars are going to continue, and more restrictions are going to be imposed.
[56:07.490 --> 56:22.610]  [SPEAKER_01]: And unless we start uniting worldwide, worldwide, we're not going to get anywhere separately fighting little battles of skirmishes here and there and reacting to whatever they think they can get away with.
[56:22.790 --> 56:23.210]  [SPEAKER_09]: All right.
[56:23.310 --> 56:25.410]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, we're out of time, but thanks for your thoughts.
[56:26.470 --> 56:27.110]  [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[56:27.210 --> 56:30.310]  [SPEAKER_03]: Send us an email at oth@2600.com.
[56:30.530 --> 56:32.030]  [SPEAKER_03]: Any final words, Emmanuel?
[56:33.130 --> 56:40.710]  [SPEAKER_17]: No, I think this has gone really well with the Gmail, whatever this is called, where you click to dial within Gmail.
[56:40.970 --> 56:45.310]  [SPEAKER_17]: It hasn't cost us anything, and I think you understood most of what we said, and I understood you.
[56:46.010 --> 56:48.050]  [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, it was fun to be able to participate, too.
[56:48.230 --> 56:49.270]  [SPEAKER_17]: I enjoyed it.
[56:50.270 --> 56:51.610]  [SPEAKER_08]: Where are you going to be next week?
[56:51.710 --> 56:52.190]  [SPEAKER_08]: Do you know yet?
[56:52.590 --> 56:55.510]  [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, next week we'll be at the CCC Congress in Berlin.
[56:55.650 --> 56:55.990]  [SPEAKER_17]: Ah, yes.
[56:56.670 --> 56:59.770]  [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, don't bother going if you don't have tickets, because it's sold out.
[57:00.250 --> 57:00.390]  [SPEAKER_13]: Nice.
[57:00.390 --> 57:05.910]  [SPEAKER_13]: For listeners interested in what Emmanuel and Kyle are using right now, it's actually just the Google Talk plug-in.
[57:06.610 --> 57:15.210]  [SPEAKER_13]: You plug that into, you know, from Mozilla, Firefox, and whatnot, and you can then go on Gmail and have the calls go through the Gmail on the web.
[57:15.450 --> 57:15.710]  [SPEAKER_08]: All right.
[57:16.570 --> 57:19.170]  [SPEAKER_08]: And to take us out, we're going to have Jonathan Colton.
[57:19.350 --> 57:21.170]  [SPEAKER_08]: So, thanks very much.
[57:21.270 --> 57:21.890]  [SPEAKER_08]: See you next week.
[57:25.080 --> 57:26.840]  [SPEAKER_06]: Okay, guys, everyone ready to sing the song?
[57:27.020 --> 57:28.340]  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, we're going crazy.
[57:28.340 --> 57:28.920]  [SPEAKER_10]: Great.
[57:29.140 --> 57:34.560]  [SPEAKER_06]: Now, remember, it's almost Christmas, and nobody has any Podsafe Christmas music, so that's your motivation here.
[57:34.920 --> 57:35.440]  [SPEAKER_06]: Uh, C.C.
[57:35.520 --> 57:36.100]  [SPEAKER_06]: Chapman, you ready?
[57:36.240 --> 57:37.020]  [SPEAKER_10]: Ready as I'll ever be.
[57:37.210 --> 57:39.210]  [SPEAKER_06]: And, uh, Lynn and Nora from Jawbone, good to go?
[57:39.380 --> 57:40.060]  [SPEAKER_10]: Let's do this!
[57:40.400 --> 57:44.560]  [SPEAKER_06]: And, uh, Adam Curry, Skyping in from the helicopter flying somewhere above your golden palace.
[57:44.560 --> 57:45.620]  [SPEAKER_06]: You all patched in there, Adam?
[57:45.620 --> 57:47.120]  [SPEAKER_06]: Adam?
[57:47.920 --> 57:48.660]  [SPEAKER_06]: Adam?
[57:48.900 --> 57:49.080]  [SPEAKER_10]: Adam?
[57:49.080 --> 57:49.260]  [SPEAKER_10]: Adam!
[57:49.400 --> 57:49.860]  [SPEAKER_10]: Adam, right here!
[57:50.000 --> 57:53.620]  [SPEAKER_10]: We want a Podsafe Christmas song!
[57:53.880 --> 57:57.480]  [SPEAKER_10]: We want a song that's safe to play!
[57:58.800 --> 58:05.200]  [SPEAKER_10]: Don't think us rude, we don't wanna get sued by the thugs at the RIAA!
[58:05.890 --> 58:09.200]  [SPEAKER_10]: We have been good the whole year long!
[58:16.340 --> 58:18.400]  [SPEAKER_11]: I'd say Christmas song!
[58:18.600 --> 58:21.380]  [SPEAKER_06]: To celebrate Christmas Day!
[58:23.340 --> 58:24.740]  [SPEAKER_06]: Okay, pretty good, guys.
[58:24.880 --> 58:28.720]  [SPEAKER_06]: Except, uh, Adam, you sounded a little bit like you were rushing it there at the end.
[58:28.900 --> 58:29.880]  [SPEAKER_06]: Uh, you know what I mean?
[58:30.660 --> 58:31.060]  [SPEAKER_06]: Buddy?
[58:31.760 --> 58:32.580]  [SPEAKER_10]: Whatever, dude!
[58:33.080 --> 58:37.160]  [SPEAKER_06]: Alright, well, I can't say I care for the attitude, but, you know, just pay attention next time.
[58:37.160 --> 58:40.220]  [SPEAKER_06]: Now, uh, the rest of you, I just wanted to go over... Adam!
[58:41.660 --> 58:42.960]  [SPEAKER_06]: Adam, did you say something to me?
[58:43.100 --> 58:43.380]  [SPEAKER_10]: No!
[58:43.820 --> 58:46.540]  [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, that's funny, I thought I heard you say something.
[58:46.740 --> 58:47.640]  [SPEAKER_10]: No, I didn't!
[58:48.900 --> 58:50.660]  [SPEAKER_06]: Look, I don't wanna go through this with you again.
[58:50.820 --> 58:55.000]  [SPEAKER_06]: We're here to sing a song about Podsafe Christmas music, and I just want everyone to do their best, you know?
[58:55.580 --> 58:56.940]  [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, can you just give me a little effort?
[58:57.420 --> 58:58.220]  [SPEAKER_06]: Shut up, CC!
[58:58.440 --> 59:00.220]  [SPEAKER_06]: Adam, just give me a little effort, okay?
[59:01.540 --> 59:01.860]  [SPEAKER_06]: Adam?
[59:03.120 --> 59:03.440]  [SPEAKER_06]: Adam!
[59:04.460 --> 59:04.780]  [SPEAKER_06]: Adam!
[59:04.980 --> 59:05.800]  [SPEAKER_10]: Jesus, what?
[59:05.800 --> 59:08.860]  [SPEAKER_10]: We want a Podsafe Christmas!
[59:09.340 --> 59:09.980]  A great
[59:35.920 --> 59:37.380]  [SPEAKER_10]: Christmas day!
[59:39.020 --> 59:41.080]  [SPEAKER_06]: Hey, nice job, you guys.
[59:41.300 --> 59:42.420]  [SPEAKER_06]: Really, you nailed it.
[59:42.600 --> 59:43.140]  [SPEAKER_06]: Nailed it!
[59:43.260 --> 59:43.960]  [SPEAKER_10]: You nailed it!
[59:44.020 --> 59:44.560]  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, not too shabby!
[59:44.800 --> 59:45.100]  [SPEAKER_10]: Nailed it!
[59:45.160 --> 59:48.360]  [SPEAKER_06]: I don't wanna speak too soon, but, uh, we may have saved Christmas.
[59:49.000 --> 59:51.320]  [SPEAKER_06]: Special thanks to you, Adam, for paying attention.
[59:51.580 --> 59:52.440]  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, screw you!
[59:53.000 --> 59:54.180]  [SPEAKER_06]: I'll see you tomorrow at rehearsal.
[59:54.540 --> 59:55.920]  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, you'll see me tomorrow at rehearsal.
[01:00:16.240 --> 01:00:27.960]  [SPEAKER_00]: On December 29th, join us for a critical look at the Obama presidency, hosted by Heidi Boghossian, only on WBAI Radio 99.5 FM.
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