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[01:00.600 --> 01:06.540] [SPEAKER_05]: Time is just about 8pm on a Wednesday evening, which means it's time for another exciting edition of Off The Hook.
[03:00.320 --> 03:01.920] [SPEAKER_05]: And a very good evening to you.
[03:02.120 --> 03:03.520] [SPEAKER_05]: The program is Off The Hook.
[03:04.080 --> 03:04.580] [SPEAKER_05]: Rob T.
[03:04.700 --> 03:05.920] [SPEAKER_05]: Firefly here with you.
[03:05.920 --> 03:08.000] [SPEAKER_05]: And I'm joined in the studio by Alex.
[03:08.220 --> 03:08.860] [SPEAKER_05]: Good evening.
[03:09.240 --> 03:10.180] [SPEAKER_05]: And by Voltaire.
[03:10.420 --> 03:10.900] [SPEAKER_05]: Good evening.
[03:12.960 --> 03:14.580] [SPEAKER_05]: So, all kinds of things are going on.
[03:14.800 --> 03:16.320] [SPEAKER_05]: Alex, you're looking a little jet-lagged.
[03:16.360 --> 03:16.620] [SPEAKER_05]: What's up?
[03:16.740 --> 03:17.420] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, thank you.
[03:17.580 --> 03:18.100] [SPEAKER_06]: Thanks for that.
[03:18.100 --> 03:19.080] [SPEAKER_06]: I appreciate it.
[03:20.060 --> 03:21.980] [SPEAKER_06]: I am, in fact, a little bit jet-lagged.
[03:22.060 --> 03:24.400] [SPEAKER_06]: I think everybody's been doing a little bit of traveling these days.
[03:24.680 --> 03:29.020] [SPEAKER_06]: I know Emmanuel and Kyle are still on their own adventure somewhere.
[03:29.880 --> 03:36.660] [SPEAKER_06]: And yesterday, I got back from Dubai for a business trip, which was quite interesting.
[03:37.620 --> 03:38.980] [SPEAKER_06]: Have you ever been, Voltaire?
[03:39.200 --> 03:39.560] [SPEAKER_06]: No.
[03:39.880 --> 03:40.640] [SPEAKER_06]: They're telling me about it.
[03:40.680 --> 03:42.400] [SPEAKER_06]: It was quite an interesting trip.
[03:42.540 --> 03:44.020] [SPEAKER_06]: It was a city to which I'd never been either.
[03:44.300 --> 04:03.180] [SPEAKER_06]: And it was such a long flight back that I landed, went through London, landed at JFK, was so exhausted because my flight left at 2.25 in the morning from Dubai that I got here and immediately called my wife and said, you know, I'm so tired.
[04:03.180 --> 04:04.500] [SPEAKER_06]: I think I'm not going to go to the office.
[04:04.620 --> 04:05.240] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm just going to go home.
[04:05.300 --> 04:06.500] [SPEAKER_06]: But I don't know what I'm going to do.
[04:06.560 --> 04:07.820] [SPEAKER_06]: I have to do the radio show tonight.
[04:07.820 --> 04:15.780] [SPEAKER_06]: I really had no idea that yesterday was Tuesday until she reminded me that the radio show was Wednesday and that was today, which yesterday was tomorrow.
[04:16.220 --> 04:18.620] [SPEAKER_06]: So I am a bit out of sorts.
[04:18.620 --> 04:24.100] [SPEAKER_06]: So I apologize if my comments are even more incoherent than they usually are.
[04:24.400 --> 04:27.940] [SPEAKER_06]: But Dubai is a very interesting city.
[04:28.140 --> 04:31.460] [SPEAKER_06]: And I have to say, I didn't dislike it as much as I thought I was going to.
[04:31.700 --> 04:34.900] [SPEAKER_06]: You know, everything you hear about Dubai is that it's sort of pre-planned.
[04:35.200 --> 04:39.960] [SPEAKER_06]: It's, you know, it's sort of like, you know, an Arab version of Reston, Virginia or something.
[04:40.500 --> 04:40.500] Or Vegas.
[04:40.840 --> 04:41.340] [SPEAKER_08]: Or dry Vegas.
[04:41.340 --> 04:42.000] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, exactly.
[04:42.200 --> 04:44.820] [SPEAKER_06]: It does have a very much like a Vegas feel to it.
[04:45.080 --> 04:46.800] [SPEAKER_06]: Because there is a strip.
[04:47.040 --> 04:49.980] [SPEAKER_06]: There's kind of a gigantic highway running through the city.
[04:50.620 --> 04:55.100] [SPEAKER_06]: And you see all these kind of brand new high rises popping up everywhere.
[04:55.100 --> 04:56.000] [SPEAKER_06]: There's construction.
[04:56.760 --> 04:59.780] [SPEAKER_06]: It seems quite literally at every single corner.
[05:00.200 --> 05:03.220] [SPEAKER_06]: But these buildings are gigantic.
[05:03.400 --> 05:07.160] [SPEAKER_06]: And they just seem to be cropping up everywhere and really, really quickly.
[05:07.460 --> 05:15.840] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, if you think about New York, we've been trying to get the Second Avenue subway finished since World War II.
[05:16.160 --> 05:21.700] [SPEAKER_06]: You know, with the rate they do things in Dubai and UAE, you know, they'd have that done in like three months.
[05:21.840 --> 05:23.740] [SPEAKER_08]: But that's... the subway is below ground.
[05:23.880 --> 05:25.340] [SPEAKER_08]: They're building stuff above ground.
[05:25.540 --> 05:25.960] [SPEAKER_08]: That's true.
[05:25.960 --> 05:26.700] [SPEAKER_08]: It's much easier.
[05:26.780 --> 05:29.020] [SPEAKER_08]: We have stuff being built above ground everywhere, too.
[05:29.220 --> 05:29.440] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[05:29.640 --> 05:32.800] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, I'm just talking about kind of the general speed at which things move over there.
[05:32.920 --> 05:33.980] [SPEAKER_06]: It's really, really fast.
[05:33.980 --> 05:42.600] [SPEAKER_06]: And of course, they have the tallest building on the planet at the moment, the Burj Khalifa, which just kind of towers over everything in the city.
[05:42.820 --> 05:50.480] [SPEAKER_06]: But there are so many high rises that it's actually hard to see the tallest building on Earth unless you're, you know, standing at the right vantage point.
[05:50.920 --> 05:58.520] [SPEAKER_06]: And when you're at the top of the Burj Khalifa, I mean, you realize really how tall that thing is.
[05:58.620 --> 05:59.620] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, it is gigantic.
[06:00.000 --> 06:00.460] [SPEAKER_06]: Did you go to the top?
[06:00.640 --> 06:01.540] [SPEAKER_06]: I did go to the top.
[06:01.740 --> 06:03.500] [SPEAKER_06]: I had a couple of hours to spare.
[06:03.540 --> 06:04.020] [SPEAKER_06]: Did you walk?
[06:04.580 --> 06:05.520] [SPEAKER_06]: No, we did not.
[06:05.700 --> 06:08.860] [SPEAKER_08]: That's one of my, like, half the reason I want to go, just to say I've walked up at...
[06:08.860 --> 06:11.000] [SPEAKER_06]: You'll be walking for a really, really long time.
[06:11.100 --> 06:11.460] [SPEAKER_08]: I could do.
[06:11.640 --> 06:15.860] [SPEAKER_06]: The elevator, though, it only takes about a minute to get to the top.
[06:16.040 --> 06:16.980] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, your ears are popping.
[06:17.180 --> 06:18.560] [SPEAKER_06]: It's going really, really quickly.
[06:18.560 --> 06:19.860] [SPEAKER_06]: You only have to make one change.
[06:20.000 --> 06:28.120] [SPEAKER_06]: So I think on the 125th floor, you make one quick change, and then you go up to the 148th floor, and then, I mean, you can see basically forever.
[06:28.860 --> 06:33.800] [SPEAKER_06]: It would be really neat to be up there and watch one of these dust storms rolling out, which would be kind of neat.
[06:34.200 --> 06:40.700] [SPEAKER_06]: But the other thing that's odd about Dubai is that you have all these buildings popping up, and they're everywhere.
[06:41.400 --> 06:47.120] [SPEAKER_06]: So the skyline of it would sort of look a lot like New York because you have all these gigantic buildings.
[06:47.480 --> 06:51.580] [SPEAKER_06]: But unlike New York, the buildings aren't right on top of each other.
[06:51.740 --> 06:54.560] [SPEAKER_06]: There's a lot of space at the bottoms.
[06:54.740 --> 06:59.680] [SPEAKER_06]: And every building sort of has its own kind of gallery of shops and whatnot at the bottom.
[07:00.080 --> 07:08.980] [SPEAKER_06]: But there's a lot of space in between the buildings, which, frankly, I think is a bit of a mistake in terms of the planning because it makes it more difficult to walk around.
[07:09.180 --> 07:10.640] [SPEAKER_06]: You have to have a car.
[07:10.820 --> 07:12.280] [SPEAKER_06]: You have to be driven everywhere.
[07:12.880 --> 07:14.380] [SPEAKER_06]: There is some public transportation.
[07:14.880 --> 07:17.000] [SPEAKER_06]: And, you know, it seems to be very efficient.
[07:17.000 --> 07:21.000] [SPEAKER_06]: But you still have a lot of space in between these buildings.
[07:22.400 --> 07:31.660] [SPEAKER_06]: And it makes it a little bit tricky, I think, to really understand the city because these buildings, a lot of them look very similar to each other.
[07:31.920 --> 07:33.840] [SPEAKER_06]: You know, there's never anything that's real square.
[07:34.000 --> 07:36.300] [SPEAKER_06]: They always have these kind of strange shapes around them.
[07:36.640 --> 07:43.520] [SPEAKER_06]: And in any one building, there could be, you know, any number of restaurants, clubs, cigar bars, offices.
[07:43.880 --> 07:48.380] [SPEAKER_06]: So to really understand that city, it's hard to get to know, I think.
[07:48.560 --> 07:54.080] [SPEAKER_06]: But if you're there with people who are in the know, it actually can be quite a fun place.
[07:54.580 --> 07:58.920] [SPEAKER_06]: You just have to, I think, have the right attitude to explore it properly.
[07:59.860 --> 08:11.780] [SPEAKER_06]: The other thing that I thought was quite interesting about it, and to me, somewhat annoying, is that oftentimes at the bottoms of these buildings, you have these gigantic, squares, and they're kind of pretty.
[08:13.220 --> 08:15.280] [SPEAKER_06]: And they're full of grass and whatnot.
[08:15.860 --> 08:18.820] [SPEAKER_06]: And Dubai is kind of an expat town.
[08:19.020 --> 08:20.620] [SPEAKER_06]: There's lots of expats from all over the place.
[08:20.620 --> 08:28.780] [SPEAKER_06]: So in addition to the regular citizens of the UAE, the Emirati, you have lots and lots of people from all over the place.
[08:28.780 --> 08:31.380] [SPEAKER_06]: And everybody seems to be so interested in exercise.
[08:31.860 --> 08:38.620] [SPEAKER_06]: You know, there's just tons of people, you know, doing exercise in early evening hours on these lawns.
[08:38.680 --> 08:39.940] [SPEAKER_06]: Isn't it unbearably hot, though?
[08:40.300 --> 08:41.480] [SPEAKER_06]: It wasn't when we were there.
[08:41.600 --> 08:42.580] [SPEAKER_06]: It was about 75 degrees.
[08:42.580 --> 08:43.260] [SPEAKER_06]: It was perfect.
[08:43.480 --> 08:49.260] [SPEAKER_06]: But, you know, in July and August, I hear quite literally, it's like opening an oven door when you go outside.
[08:49.880 --> 08:52.520] [SPEAKER_06]: But, you know, there's so many people exercising.
[08:52.520 --> 08:54.400] [SPEAKER_06]: And I find it just, you know, really annoying.
[08:54.520 --> 08:57.100] [SPEAKER_06]: One of the things I hate most about New York is joggers.
[08:57.680 --> 09:03.780] [SPEAKER_06]: And to see all these people just exercising as if the world is their own gym, just kind of, you know, annoys me.
[09:04.060 --> 09:05.540] [SPEAKER_06]: You know, go inside and work out.
[09:05.560 --> 09:06.580] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't need to see this.
[09:06.820 --> 09:12.320] [SPEAKER_06]: You know, people doing push-ups and chin-ups and, you know, public squares and things like that.
[09:13.100 --> 09:14.520] [SPEAKER_06]: It's very distracting.
[09:14.520 --> 09:19.260] [SPEAKER_06]: I just want to walk around and think and not be distracted by, you know, people doing pull-ups around me.
[09:19.260 --> 09:20.920] [SPEAKER_06]: It sounds a lot less distracting than cars.
[09:22.560 --> 09:23.040] [SPEAKER_06]: Possibly.
[09:23.220 --> 09:24.460] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, quite possibly.
[09:24.740 --> 09:28.800] [SPEAKER_06]: But it is a very interesting city in a lot of respects.
[09:29.080 --> 09:33.820] [SPEAKER_06]: And definitely someplace I think would be, you know, worthwhile to visit.
[09:34.160 --> 09:35.900] [SPEAKER_06]: Technologically, it's very, very cool.
[09:36.000 --> 09:36.740] [SPEAKER_06]: It has a lot to offer.
[09:37.320 --> 09:43.560] [SPEAKER_06]: And I think that we may have our usual hosts on the line, too.
[09:43.660 --> 09:43.920] [SPEAKER_05]: We do.
[09:44.060 --> 09:45.680] [SPEAKER_05]: I've been doing some finagling over here.
[09:45.800 --> 09:49.100] [SPEAKER_05]: And I've pushed a big button that says Emmanuel and Kyle, which should have made them happen.
[09:49.240 --> 09:50.400] [SPEAKER_05]: Emmanuel and Kyle, are you with us?
[09:51.280 --> 09:52.100] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we're here.
[09:52.780 --> 09:57.380] [SPEAKER_03]: This is just so typical of the things that happen when you're trying to communicate with people.
[09:57.540 --> 10:02.020] [SPEAKER_03]: Even people who host a communications radio show have trouble making connections.
[10:02.400 --> 10:06.940] [SPEAKER_03]: And you were calling me and my phone was only ringing once and then immediately hanging up.
[10:07.420 --> 10:17.000] [SPEAKER_03]: And then I tried returning your call, but the plus one wasn't tarried and I was getting something strange in this country.
[10:17.220 --> 10:19.980] [SPEAKER_03]: And then you text me the phone number and it was the wrong phone number.
[10:20.200 --> 10:20.360] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[10:20.360 --> 10:22.160] [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, half the show is over now.
[10:22.860 --> 10:31.040] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, we were saying a lot about you guys, but we figured we'd give you the honest chance to rebut.
[10:31.360 --> 10:37.580] [SPEAKER_05]: But no, actually what we've said about you so far is that you guys are traveling and you are now in Iceland, I believe.
[10:37.680 --> 10:37.960] [SPEAKER_05]: Is that so?
[10:39.340 --> 10:40.180] [SPEAKER_03]: That is correct.
[10:40.380 --> 10:40.600] [SPEAKER_03]: We are.
[10:41.120 --> 10:42.120] [SPEAKER_03]: Kyle is here as well.
[10:42.400 --> 10:42.920] [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, guys.
[10:43.020 --> 10:43.380] [SPEAKER_03]: What's up?
[10:43.500 --> 10:45.660] [SPEAKER_03]: Seems like I haven't talked to you in a while.
[10:46.200 --> 10:47.200] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, you haven't.
[10:47.300 --> 10:47.960] [SPEAKER_06]: What's going on?
[10:49.340 --> 10:52.300] [SPEAKER_03]: I think the last time we talked to you we were in Bucharest, Romania.
[10:52.900 --> 11:04.040] [SPEAKER_03]: And since then we've been to the country of Moldova, which I challenge any listener to write to oth@2600.com who has been to Moldova and tell us what you thought of that country.
[11:04.100 --> 11:04.920] [SPEAKER_03]: You thought it was amazing.
[11:05.420 --> 11:08.140] [SPEAKER_03]: It was a very different type of place.
[11:10.140 --> 11:17.700] [SPEAKER_03]: A country that really I think is coming into its own and is modernizing in ways that maybe you wouldn't expect.
[11:18.100 --> 11:21.020] [SPEAKER_03]: And we've seen that as kind of a theme in the places that we've been to.
[11:21.640 --> 11:24.440] [SPEAKER_03]: After Moldova, we made our way up through Ukraine.
[11:25.120 --> 11:35.380] [SPEAKER_03]: And actually, we almost got stuck in Ukraine because we couldn't get a train the route that we wanted to go to get to Berlin, which was our stepping point to get to London.
[11:35.840 --> 11:41.840] [SPEAKER_03]: So we had to basically use our hacker skills to route around the problem.
[11:42.100 --> 11:46.880] [SPEAKER_03]: The problem being train agents in Kiev who wouldn't help us.
[11:46.980 --> 11:54.480] [SPEAKER_03]: So we had to go to a city called Lviv in the southwestern part of Ukraine.
[11:54.860 --> 11:58.860] [SPEAKER_03]: And from there, get a local train across the border into Poland.
[11:59.360 --> 12:06.040] [SPEAKER_03]: And then from there, go over to Rocha in Poland and then shoot up to Berlin.
[12:06.260 --> 12:13.740] [SPEAKER_03]: At every step, we were met with people in train stations saying it was impossible to get a train, at least on the day we wanted to get a train.
[12:14.180 --> 12:20.980] [SPEAKER_03]: But with persistence and the handy train book that I have, I was able to make it happen.
[12:21.180 --> 12:24.540] [SPEAKER_03]: And through our persistence, we finally were able to make it to Housin.
[12:24.880 --> 12:28.100] [SPEAKER_08]: Was Lviv a separatist, part of Ukraine?
[12:29.580 --> 12:31.480] [SPEAKER_02]: No, it was pretty much part of Ukraine.
[12:32.860 --> 12:39.220] [SPEAKER_06]: You know, I guess the other option is you probably could have taken a flight, but that would have just been against ideology?
[12:39.380 --> 12:39.840] [SPEAKER_06]: That's cheating.
[12:40.980 --> 12:46.120] [SPEAKER_02]: No, we did, though, in many cases, understand the system better than they did.
[12:46.460 --> 12:54.200] [SPEAKER_02]: And like he said, it was mostly about listening, communicating with gestures, obviously, you know, there's huge language barriers.
[12:54.460 --> 12:57.780] [SPEAKER_02]: But the point is, we got through it.
[12:57.980 --> 13:10.460] [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, it's like, we would just route around things kind of like any network, basically, finding our way, using the book that we had as a kind of a foundational reference.
[13:10.860 --> 13:13.260] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's more fun to use the terrestrial stuff.
[13:13.400 --> 13:22.100] [SPEAKER_02]: And we ended up seeing like all these really cool high-speed trains in places like Ukraine and Poland, which really you wouldn't know about otherwise.
[13:22.280 --> 13:23.940] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there are rules to this.
[13:24.100 --> 13:26.140] [SPEAKER_03]: No buses and no airplanes.
[13:26.440 --> 13:27.720] [SPEAKER_03]: You have to stick to trains.
[13:27.720 --> 13:30.780] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's not hard to stick to trains in Europe, because they're everywhere.
[13:30.780 --> 13:34.660] [SPEAKER_03]: You can get to almost any town in almost any country.
[13:34.940 --> 13:40.820] [SPEAKER_03]: And what I was amazed by was how much trains have improved in Ukraine and in Poland.
[13:41.420 --> 13:46.300] [SPEAKER_03]: It's almost on a Western European part right now.
[13:46.460 --> 13:57.700] [SPEAKER_03]: And it makes me really upset at how advanced they're getting and how we're not advancing at all, because we're not putting anything into our infrastructure.
[13:57.860 --> 13:59.000] [SPEAKER_03]: We're not seeing these improvements.
[13:59.260 --> 14:01.080] [SPEAKER_03]: It really does make a huge difference.
[14:01.700 --> 14:05.600] [SPEAKER_03]: Train agents aside, it's almost like, you know, we're dealing with two different worlds.
[14:05.780 --> 14:19.460] [SPEAKER_03]: The world of the train agent, which, you know, goes back into, it seems, the 1930s, long lines, you know, hot rooms, angry people, and then the efficient, fast train service that actually exists now.
[14:20.820 --> 14:21.260] Hmm.
[14:21.600 --> 14:27.300] [SPEAKER_05]: So while you're in Iceland, I know this is something you were shooting for, and I'm wondering if you've managed to achieve it.
[14:27.420 --> 14:28.660] [SPEAKER_05]: Have you seen any Northern Lights?
[14:30.640 --> 14:33.140] [SPEAKER_03]: No, dammit, we have not seen Northern Lights.
[14:34.380 --> 14:39.920] [SPEAKER_03]: We have this app that occasionally wakes us up in the middle of the night and says, Northern Lights might be visible.
[14:40.080 --> 14:42.080] [SPEAKER_03]: But so far, it hasn't happened.
[14:42.560 --> 14:48.100] [SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, it's starting to lose patience for these things, you know, around the entire country.
[14:48.300 --> 14:53.520] [SPEAKER_03]: We drove the Ring Road, which is Route 1 goes all around Iceland.
[14:53.760 --> 14:55.220] [SPEAKER_03]: And we did that in the winter.
[14:56.040 --> 15:01.880] [SPEAKER_03]: Very lucky that we did it when we did, because had we tried it now, I understand some roads are closed.
[15:02.140 --> 15:04.580] [SPEAKER_03]: And we hit some really dramatic weather.
[15:04.580 --> 15:08.660] [SPEAKER_08]: So you were in the northernmost part of Iceland?
[15:10.840 --> 15:11.680] [SPEAKER_03]: Sorry, say again?
[15:11.820 --> 15:13.560] [SPEAKER_08]: You made it to the northernmost part of Iceland?
[15:14.900 --> 15:18.900] [SPEAKER_03]: Not the northernmost part, but the northernmost part that that goes to.
[15:19.120 --> 15:22.560] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we were in the capital of the north, a town called Akarari.
[15:23.240 --> 15:25.700] [SPEAKER_02]: It's actually a college town.
[15:26.680 --> 15:35.200] [SPEAKER_02]: And really kind of cool, second largest city, I believe, municipality in Iceland.
[15:36.100 --> 15:37.900] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so we did.
[15:38.020 --> 15:46.300] [SPEAKER_02]: We went to a lot of the major cities to stop off as we were driving so that, yeah, so we could rest and be ready for the road the next day.
[15:46.460 --> 15:51.680] [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of inclement weather, a lot of, yeah, like blinding snow.
[15:51.960 --> 16:05.700] [SPEAKER_02]: You can imagine, you know, large trucks passing you and you getting, getting like these blasts of snow that you just completely, you know, in complete whiteout, completely invisible ahead of you for a second.
[16:05.880 --> 16:12.160] [SPEAKER_02]: That kind of like, you know, heart stopping moment is basically what we had for a good part of it.
[16:12.320 --> 16:16.700] [SPEAKER_02]: And a little bit more rain when we got further east and south.
[16:16.940 --> 16:19.500] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, Iceland is not as cold as you might think it is.
[16:19.920 --> 16:21.600] [SPEAKER_03]: It's actually rather temperate.
[16:22.280 --> 16:25.480] [SPEAKER_03]: It gets cold in some parts, the northern parts and the southern parts.
[16:25.740 --> 16:28.200] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you actually see rain this time of year.
[16:28.940 --> 16:32.860] [SPEAKER_03]: But it's also very slippery, very frozen in many parts.
[16:33.100 --> 16:35.460] [SPEAKER_03]: And the weather changes very quickly, too.
[16:35.820 --> 16:45.200] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, you'll see a foot of snow in one place, and then just sweet and nice, and then a dry road all within a day.
[16:45.400 --> 16:47.280] [SPEAKER_02]: And incredibly high winds.
[16:47.620 --> 16:50.080] [SPEAKER_02]: And we had to actually learn some new conversions.
[16:50.400 --> 16:57.920] [SPEAKER_02]: The wind is actually measured in meters per second out here, which that might actually be something that's normal in many parts of the world.
[16:58.060 --> 17:00.720] [SPEAKER_02]: But for us, we had to figure that out fairly quickly.
[17:00.900 --> 17:03.340] [SPEAKER_02]: You basically double it, and it's miles per hour.
[17:03.500 --> 17:04.760] [SPEAKER_02]: But it was interesting to...
[17:04.760 --> 17:08.600] [SPEAKER_03]: It's very about 10 meters per second is something you should start being concerned about.
[17:09.160 --> 17:10.760] [SPEAKER_03]: Anything below that is not a big deal.
[17:12.020 --> 17:26.580] [SPEAKER_06]: You know, it's interesting you say that, because when I went to Iceland, I guess it was maybe about 2003 or so, I was living in Vermont, which incidentally is some place where I actually did see the northern lights several times on account of a solar flare.
[17:26.680 --> 17:32.580] [SPEAKER_06]: So maybe if there's a solar flare imminent, you might be able to catch the northern lights while you're over in Iceland anyhow.
[17:32.880 --> 17:42.060] [SPEAKER_06]: But having gone from Vermont to Iceland, also in the winter, right about this time, I found Iceland to be so much warmer than Vermont.
[17:42.060 --> 17:43.780] [SPEAKER_06]: It was kind of incredible.
[17:44.620 --> 17:50.960] [SPEAKER_06]: Another neat thing that I thought about Iceland, which is, you know, the people are so incredibly nice and so incredibly welcoming.
[17:51.500 --> 17:59.600] [SPEAKER_06]: And it didn't really square with me why in the kind of the pubs and bars in the evening, why there were so many bouncers.
[17:59.780 --> 18:01.600] [SPEAKER_06]: I found there to be, you know, lots of security.
[18:01.960 --> 18:15.980] [SPEAKER_06]: And then I had realized when I was traveling with a buddy of mine that we think that the bouncers were so numerous because they were just there to make sure that these Icelandic people themselves didn't hurt themselves.
[18:16.400 --> 18:22.000] [SPEAKER_06]: In that, you know, they weren't afraid of anybody starting a fight or, you know, gang violence or something like that.
[18:22.040 --> 18:26.240] [SPEAKER_06]: It was just they knew that they were going to drink too much and needed to be escorted out properly.
[18:26.640 --> 18:38.480] [SPEAKER_06]: And that was, you know, one thing that I thought was, you know, quite a stark contrast from New York and Iceland was the kind of the general attitude of the people, the attitude of the security personnel, in particular, at all these various places.
[18:38.480 --> 18:42.920] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm not sure if you've if you've run into that kind of component of Iceland just yet.
[18:44.280 --> 18:47.900] [SPEAKER_02]: Not as much this time of year, sort of the off season.
[18:48.220 --> 18:49.040] [SPEAKER_02]: I do know what you mean.
[18:49.160 --> 18:53.280] [SPEAKER_02]: There were a lot of people at the door the last time we were here in June.
[18:53.560 --> 18:56.780] [SPEAKER_02]: Of course, you have cruise ships and a lot of people.
[18:56.900 --> 19:02.980] [SPEAKER_02]: And anytime you get masses of people, you're going to have, you know, bad actors and people like overdoing it.
[19:03.340 --> 19:26.260] [SPEAKER_02]: But I can definitely, I can definitely tell you, like, just from what I learned on this trip, there's a very low incidence of, I think, crime and definitely violence, that violent crime, that kind of stuff is not nearly what we might, you know, be accustomed to back in the States or in other parts of the world.
[19:28.040 --> 19:33.960] [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, Iceland in general is just kind of a peaceful place from what I've experienced.
[19:33.960 --> 19:37.720] [SPEAKER_02]: And the people are quite affable and welcoming.
[19:37.720 --> 19:51.720] [SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, they have an impression of us, which kind of parallels what Kyle's saying here, where, you know, if you say you're from New York or from America, they kind of just are really curious, like, what in God's name is going on over there?
[19:52.180 --> 19:55.240] [SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, we were in a small town up north.
[19:55.720 --> 19:58.320] [SPEAKER_03]: We just stopped for coffee in the middle of our drive.
[19:58.760 --> 20:01.400] [SPEAKER_03]: And very pleasant place, very small.
[20:01.640 --> 20:04.720] [SPEAKER_03]: And we just happened to mention we were from the United States.
[20:05.180 --> 20:12.620] [SPEAKER_03]: And this woman just without any company whatsoever said that she refused to go to our country until we get rid of our president.
[20:12.900 --> 20:20.960] [SPEAKER_03]: I just thought that was so incredible that that, in the middle of literally nowhere in Iceland, that is the prevailing sentiment among the people.
[20:21.900 --> 20:27.000] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, you know, we here also would like to know what the hell is going on over here, but we're doing our best to figure it out.
[20:27.120 --> 20:29.500] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I don't blame that for that sentiment at all.
[20:29.520 --> 20:31.000] [SPEAKER_06]: I can completely understand it.
[20:31.360 --> 20:33.760] [SPEAKER_06]: And what do you guys think about the water?
[20:34.000 --> 20:43.740] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, everything is heated with this geothermal energy, and then the hot water has this very sulfuric type of smell, and the cold water comes directly from the glaciers, right?
[20:43.800 --> 20:46.400] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, what's your experience with the water over there?
[20:47.300 --> 20:53.980] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, there's a couple of like things that people, you have to kind of understand about it.
[20:54.160 --> 21:01.860] [SPEAKER_02]: First of all, the sulfur smell, as far as like tap water, is mainly on the hot side.
[21:01.860 --> 21:09.840] [SPEAKER_02]: So anything that's like warmer from the tap is possibly going to have that kind of a odor.
[21:10.100 --> 21:18.140] [SPEAKER_02]: But if you run it for about 10 seconds or 10 minutes on the cold side, you really don't have any of that.
[21:18.140 --> 21:22.120] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's really quite good water.
[21:22.120 --> 21:42.540] [SPEAKER_02]: As you said, often Icelandic people are quite proud of their water and the fact that it comes from glacial flow and other sorts of sources to the ground wells or wherever it's extracted.
[21:42.540 --> 21:52.080] [SPEAKER_02]: And that mostly predates the Industrial Revolution and other factors that have contaminated a lot of our sources.
[21:52.540 --> 21:55.620] [SPEAKER_02]: And also, I don't think it's processed quite the same way.
[21:55.620 --> 22:01.940] [SPEAKER_02]: We use a lot of chemicals, especially in urban places like New York City.
[22:02.580 --> 22:04.660] [SPEAKER_02]: And well, you get the idea.
[22:04.660 --> 22:10.220] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, to that end, it's pretty cool to drink.
[22:10.220 --> 22:14.000] [SPEAKER_02]: I actually was just researching that.
[22:14.080 --> 22:15.700] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's really funny you ask that.
[22:15.880 --> 22:20.000] [SPEAKER_02]: As far as the geothermal and just how it's used.
[22:20.160 --> 22:21.440] [SPEAKER_02]: So you are right.
[22:22.860 --> 22:29.040] [SPEAKER_02]: The geothermal activity is used by this power company called ON.
[22:29.400 --> 22:33.100] [SPEAKER_02]: And they have basically supplied all the power.
[22:33.100 --> 22:38.440] [SPEAKER_02]: There's also, I believe, hydroelectric facilities and other sources.
[22:38.440 --> 22:54.340] [SPEAKER_02]: And a lot of smaller people, like you imagine, like a farmer or somebody who basically might survey their land, realize they have sort of a formation that is warm.
[22:54.340 --> 22:59.920] [SPEAKER_02]: And they can basically produce their own steam and thus have maybe a small generator.
[23:00.060 --> 23:09.700] [SPEAKER_02]: So you will notice that these basically smaller versions of exactly that very large system that supplies cities like Reykjavik.
[23:10.060 --> 23:12.540] [SPEAKER_02]: And there's other really innovative ways.
[23:12.940 --> 23:19.120] [SPEAKER_02]: We stayed in one place that basically had no radiators, no heat vents, no nothing.
[23:19.480 --> 23:26.820] [SPEAKER_02]: And we surmised that based on what they told us of the shower, that it was heated from natural sources.
[23:27.080 --> 23:43.940] [SPEAKER_02]: We basically realized they probably also heat the entire building through in-floor heating, which is basically like coils of tubing that is placed in the floor before it's finished.
[23:44.500 --> 23:46.900] [SPEAKER_02]: And that radiates heat from the floor.
[23:47.100 --> 23:52.940] [SPEAKER_02]: And actually, they had a part of town last time that was under construction that they were doing the exact same thing.
[23:52.940 --> 24:04.660] [SPEAKER_02]: And we walked back through that part of town this time, just to see that there was no ice or anything on it because, indeed, a pedestrian walkway outside was heated in this way.
[24:05.740 --> 24:21.120] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, it really is incredible because they're able to generate so much energy from the earth and harness it in such innovative ways that it makes life so much easier over there, even when it's not nearly as cold as it is in some parts of the United States.
[24:21.380 --> 24:28.060] [SPEAKER_06]: And to go back to the water, have you guys had the chance to try the Viking beer yet, which is brewed with this glacial water?
[24:28.160 --> 24:30.640] [SPEAKER_06]: And I found it really kind of amazing.
[24:31.320 --> 24:35.140] [SPEAKER_06]: And when I was there, the exchange rate certainly did not favor Americans.
[24:35.140 --> 24:37.680] [SPEAKER_06]: In Iceland, everything was extraordinarily expensive.
[24:38.000 --> 24:40.100] [SPEAKER_06]: So I know that the currency has fallen quite a bit.
[24:40.100 --> 24:45.620] [SPEAKER_03]: That's an interesting thing because on this trip, I mentioned we're in Moldova where things are incredibly cheap.
[24:45.800 --> 24:49.220] [SPEAKER_03]: You can, you know, eat like a king and pay maybe $10.
[24:49.820 --> 24:54.340] [SPEAKER_03]: And here, you know, if you get a slice of pizza, expect to pay $20 for that.
[24:54.700 --> 24:55.620] [SPEAKER_03]: It's ridiculous.
[24:55.620 --> 24:57.300] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it is.
[24:57.620 --> 24:58.440] [SPEAKER_06]: It's terrible.
[24:58.620 --> 24:59.700] [SPEAKER_03]: Things are incredibly expensive.
[24:59.900 --> 25:12.260] [SPEAKER_03]: But, you know, if you're here in the wintertime, like we are, it only becomes an outrageous ripoff rather than something unfathomable, like it does in the summertime where you can pay, you know, $500 for a hotel room.
[25:12.360 --> 25:12.820] [SPEAKER_03]: It's insane.
[25:13.100 --> 25:16.720] [SPEAKER_03]: But, you know, there are ways around that and stay in hospitals.
[25:17.880 --> 25:22.720] [SPEAKER_03]: For some reason, renting a car is extremely cheap compared to other things.
[25:23.080 --> 25:24.060] [SPEAKER_03]: So there's that.
[25:24.220 --> 25:27.880] [SPEAKER_03]: You can figure out places to stay and food you can eat.
[25:27.920 --> 25:34.020] [SPEAKER_03]: For instance, they have these amazing hot dogs in Reykjavik that I don't know what the story is behind them.
[25:34.080 --> 25:37.900] [SPEAKER_03]: But every time we come here, we're we're just drawn to them.
[25:38.520 --> 25:41.740] [SPEAKER_03]: They're only $450, which I know is expensive for a hot dog.
[25:41.900 --> 25:43.240] [SPEAKER_03]: But, you know, it fills you up.
[25:43.300 --> 25:43.900] [SPEAKER_03]: It's really good.
[25:44.080 --> 25:46.140] [SPEAKER_03]: They sell them in the street until really late at night.
[25:46.240 --> 25:46.900] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's another thing.
[25:47.420 --> 25:50.020] [SPEAKER_03]: This city is a very late night city.
[25:50.180 --> 25:52.100] [SPEAKER_03]: So there's people up pretty much all night.
[25:52.260 --> 25:53.400] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's really cool.
[25:53.640 --> 25:54.220] [SPEAKER_03]: And you know what else?
[25:54.340 --> 25:56.000] [SPEAKER_03]: We have listeners in Iceland.
[25:56.260 --> 25:57.420] [SPEAKER_03]: In fact, we met one.
[25:57.920 --> 26:00.340] [SPEAKER_03]: We met Johan a couple of times, actually.
[26:01.120 --> 26:05.560] [SPEAKER_03]: And he was kind enough to bring me something that I really wanted.
[26:05.760 --> 26:07.060] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm bringing this back to the States.
[26:07.420 --> 26:09.320] [SPEAKER_03]: It's an Icelandic phone book.
[26:09.880 --> 26:12.780] [SPEAKER_03]: Now, you know what's interesting about Icelandic phone book?
[26:13.040 --> 26:13.660] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[26:13.740 --> 26:16.360] [SPEAKER_03]: Are you guys familiar with the naming convention in Iceland?
[26:16.660 --> 26:18.900] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, with all the various sons.
[26:19.980 --> 26:20.620] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[26:20.700 --> 26:22.220] [SPEAKER_03]: I'll use you as an example, Alex.
[26:22.340 --> 26:22.760] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, great.
[26:22.760 --> 26:26.740] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's say you had a son named Bob.
[26:27.460 --> 26:39.000] [SPEAKER_03]: And Bob's name would actually be Bob Alexson, because Bob is your son and your name is Alex.
[26:39.260 --> 26:40.220] [SPEAKER_06]: It makes perfect sense.
[26:40.220 --> 26:41.600] [SPEAKER_03]: So, yes.
[26:41.880 --> 26:46.620] [SPEAKER_03]: Now, Bob's sister, Alice, would be, hang on, do I have this right?
[26:46.860 --> 26:50.720] [SPEAKER_03]: Would be named Alex's daughter?
[26:51.120 --> 26:51.960] [SPEAKER_03]: Is that how it works?
[26:52.060 --> 26:52.720] [SPEAKER_06]: I think that's right.
[26:53.840 --> 26:56.240] [SPEAKER_06]: I think it's like a D-O-T-T-I-R daughter.
[26:56.660 --> 26:56.800] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[26:58.380 --> 26:58.780] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[26:59.000 --> 27:02.300] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, they make things very efficient, very fathomable.
[27:02.480 --> 27:09.440] [SPEAKER_06]: And I'm very interested for you to bring back this Icelandic phone book, because when I was there in 2003, I was not able to verify this.
[27:09.540 --> 27:20.640] [SPEAKER_06]: But at the time, I had heard that in this country of only 300,000 or so people, and I imagine it's probably still the same population, that you could actually look up.
[27:20.660 --> 27:26.900] [SPEAKER_06]: And I don't know if this was a rumor or not, but that you could actually look up the phone number in the phone book of the prime minister.
[27:27.780 --> 27:28.480] [SPEAKER_03]: Of course.
[27:29.240 --> 27:29.980] [SPEAKER_03]: That's kind of good.
[27:30.060 --> 27:35.540] [SPEAKER_03]: In fact, we were walking around Parliament the other night, and it was pretty much unguarded.
[27:35.760 --> 27:37.780] [SPEAKER_03]: It was just, you know, another building.
[27:38.040 --> 27:43.120] [SPEAKER_03]: You could walk right up to it, and it's open to the public, as it should be.
[27:43.460 --> 27:45.260] [SPEAKER_03]: But let me get back to the phone book for a second.
[27:45.540 --> 27:49.760] [SPEAKER_03]: The thing that's really interesting about this is that everybody is listed by first name.
[27:50.140 --> 27:52.160] [SPEAKER_03]: So right now, I'm coming through it.
[27:52.160 --> 27:53.960] [SPEAKER_03]: There are 10 pages of Annas.
[27:54.660 --> 28:01.820] [SPEAKER_03]: So basically, you know their first name, and you just have to know their last name.
[28:02.160 --> 28:04.560] [SPEAKER_03]: But they're all listed alphabetically by first name.
[28:05.000 --> 28:08.440] [SPEAKER_03]: We looked up Kyle, and there's only one Kyle in Reykjavik.
[28:08.740 --> 28:10.120] [SPEAKER_03]: But there's 10 pages of Annas.
[28:10.920 --> 28:12.480] [SPEAKER_08]: Do you have the phone book with you now?
[28:14.160 --> 28:14.860] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I do.
[28:15.020 --> 28:15.720] [SPEAKER_03]: You want to look something up?
[28:15.900 --> 28:17.700] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, let's try probably on the prime minister.
[28:19.100 --> 28:23.960] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, first of all, I'm not going to call the prime minister at, what is it, 1.20 in the morning.
[28:24.800 --> 28:27.300] [SPEAKER_03]: And second of all, I don't know the prime minister's name offhand.
[28:30.260 --> 28:34.380] [SPEAKER_03]: And third, if they're not in Reykjavik, they're in a different section of the book.
[28:34.380 --> 28:37.860] [SPEAKER_03]: And there's a lot of thumbing two pages that I'm not prepared to do right now.
[28:38.060 --> 28:39.320] [SPEAKER_03]: But I do have the book.
[28:40.640 --> 28:41.920] [SPEAKER_03]: In fact, I've got two of them.
[28:42.080 --> 28:43.420] [SPEAKER_03]: We found another one.
[28:43.680 --> 28:44.540] [SPEAKER_03]: This was awesome.
[28:44.660 --> 28:49.800] [SPEAKER_03]: We were driving through this small city, or town, and we just saw this bookstore.
[28:49.920 --> 28:51.900] [SPEAKER_03]: We stopped in the bookstore, and it was a coffee shop.
[28:52.120 --> 28:53.880] [SPEAKER_03]: And they sold vinyl records.
[28:54.060 --> 28:55.700] [SPEAKER_03]: It was everything that was cool.
[28:55.920 --> 28:58.460] [SPEAKER_03]: We just had this long conversation with the guy who ran it.
[28:59.240 --> 29:10.400] [SPEAKER_03]: And it was actually in the same town that Bobby Fisher, the racist chest master moved to, and where he buried it as well.
[29:10.840 --> 29:18.940] [SPEAKER_03]: So we stopped out of curiosity, saw this bookstore, and went to get coffee and talked to the guy about vinyl records.
[29:19.080 --> 29:21.500] [SPEAKER_03]: And he happened to have a phone book, too.
[29:21.680 --> 29:23.280] [SPEAKER_03]: And we bought it from him.
[29:24.780 --> 29:30.060] [SPEAKER_05]: So were they selling phone books in the bookstore, or did you just buy this person's individual phone book off of him?
[29:30.680 --> 29:31.380] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, no.
[29:31.520 --> 29:37.560] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, it turns out he actually kind of grabbed a bunch of them when they were...
[29:38.380 --> 29:42.960] [SPEAKER_03]: Apparently, there was a male model who appeared on the cover in 2011.
[29:43.220 --> 29:45.680] [SPEAKER_03]: And there was some kind of a scandal involving him.
[29:45.760 --> 29:48.040] [SPEAKER_03]: So they pulled all the phone books out.
[29:48.180 --> 29:54.440] [SPEAKER_03]: And this bookstore owner saw an opportunity, and basically just collected a bunch of them.
[29:54.580 --> 29:57.820] [SPEAKER_03]: And then, you know, I walked into the store and asked for that very phone book.
[29:58.060 --> 30:00.240] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, not that particular one, but a phone book.
[30:00.540 --> 30:05.520] [SPEAKER_03]: And he was very happy that somebody actually was requesting something like that.
[30:05.600 --> 30:07.660] [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, he made that quite well.
[30:08.120 --> 30:09.320] [SPEAKER_05]: But why male models?
[30:10.160 --> 30:12.580] [SPEAKER_06]: Anyway, you know, it's funny.
[30:12.780 --> 30:15.700] [SPEAKER_06]: So phone books, are they actually still used?
[30:15.800 --> 30:16.860] [SPEAKER_06]: Do people actually use them?
[30:16.920 --> 30:27.180] [SPEAKER_06]: Because this would be a huge contrast from places like New York, where it just mystifies me why phone books are still being delivered.
[30:27.360 --> 30:34.840] [SPEAKER_06]: Because, you know, you just see them pile up in front of buildings and kind of in the vestibules of apartment complexes, because nobody wants them.
[30:34.920 --> 30:35.800] [SPEAKER_06]: They're constantly printed.
[30:36.080 --> 30:41.120] [SPEAKER_06]: It's like a full-fledged assault on the world's forest to print these telephone books.
[30:41.120 --> 30:41.280] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
[30:42.240 --> 30:44.340] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, you can say that, but... I can say it.
[30:44.340 --> 30:45.560] [SPEAKER_03]: I did say it, yes.
[30:46.000 --> 30:50.140] [SPEAKER_03]: The people who are, you know, letting them pile up outside, they don't deserve a phone book.
[30:50.240 --> 30:50.940] [SPEAKER_03]: They shouldn't have them.
[30:51.100 --> 30:59.460] [SPEAKER_03]: But there are people who still want them, and they are a good complement to, you know, to other services that we might have.
[30:59.640 --> 31:03.540] [SPEAKER_03]: Now, in Iceland, they did stop printing the phone book in 2013.
[31:04.460 --> 31:08.420] [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, that also makes them a little bit more rare.
[31:08.420 --> 31:13.760] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, one other thing with this is, though, the phone book itself is quite big.
[31:13.960 --> 31:23.800] [SPEAKER_02]: It covers the whole country, whereas the phone book the same size would maybe do maybe, you know, half of a part of a small section of Manhattan.
[31:24.840 --> 31:26.960] [SPEAKER_02]: So the scale is much different.
[31:27.300 --> 31:41.320] [SPEAKER_02]: But increasingly, I guess the publisher of this is, you know, further away from the phone company versus it having been sort of in-house and a part of the phone company in the distant past.
[31:41.500 --> 31:46.860] [SPEAKER_02]: So the trend has kind of moved away from printing these things, but they're very useful.
[31:47.220 --> 31:52.260] [SPEAKER_03]: And I have a question about you, Alex, regarding phone books, because this is very interesting.
[31:52.900 --> 31:55.700] [SPEAKER_03]: How do you look up somebody's phone number these days?
[31:55.700 --> 31:59.760] [SPEAKER_03]: If you don't have their phone number and you want their phone number, how do you get it?
[31:59.760 --> 32:01.260] [SPEAKER_06]: It's a very good question.
[32:01.700 --> 32:03.780] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, it's quite difficult, right?
[32:03.900 --> 32:04.540] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, most...
[32:04.540 --> 32:05.420] [SPEAKER_06]: It depends.
[32:05.580 --> 32:06.960] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, we're talking about landlines.
[32:07.060 --> 32:09.020] [SPEAKER_06]: We're talking about, you know, cell phone.
[32:09.140 --> 32:10.000] [SPEAKER_06]: It's very, very difficult.
[32:10.240 --> 32:15.880] [SPEAKER_06]: Unless you were actually given the phone number or you search for it.
[32:15.900 --> 32:19.420] [SPEAKER_03]: You don't need to get it from information or from the phone book.
[32:19.700 --> 32:20.120] [SPEAKER_06]: Exactly.
[32:20.120 --> 32:20.520] [SPEAKER_06]: That's exactly right.
[32:20.540 --> 32:25.080] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, you generally need to contact the person in order to actually acquire their telephone number these days.
[32:25.080 --> 32:27.280] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, or you can search for it.
[32:27.480 --> 32:35.000] [SPEAKER_06]: You know, you use a search engine, you know, to find this, you know, put their name in, plus what area code you know it is, and generally something will pop up.
[32:35.640 --> 32:39.020] [SPEAKER_06]: But, you know, there's no really one centralized place to do this.
[32:39.140 --> 32:41.000] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I tend to agree with you.
[32:41.400 --> 32:58.220] [SPEAKER_06]: You know, phone books serve a purpose, but I feel like in New York, they are serving less and less of a purpose for, you know, for the very reason that that Kyle had mentioned is because they, New York is just so huge and there's so many people that to have a phone book of every single person's number when,
[32:58.220 --> 33:04.740] [SPEAKER_06]: you know, plain old telephone service is going out the window, you know, the utility is dwindling.
[33:05.060 --> 33:12.020] [SPEAKER_06]: But in places like Iceland, where the population is very limited, the utility of a phone book seems to be much more relevant.
[33:12.700 --> 33:14.580] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, you know, that's what I don't understand.
[33:15.500 --> 33:24.360] [SPEAKER_03]: You'd say, you know, a book that has everyone's phone number, you know, a big city like New York, why wouldn't that still be useful?
[33:24.600 --> 33:29.000] [SPEAKER_03]: The fact that we don't have cell phone numbers in phone books baffles me.
[33:29.160 --> 33:30.980] [SPEAKER_03]: I assume that's still the case.
[33:32.320 --> 33:40.380] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, we all have phones, and if we wanted our phones to be listed, what a great way for people to be able to contact us.
[33:40.760 --> 33:44.900] [SPEAKER_03]: Assuming we're still a society that wants people to occasionally contact us.
[33:45.300 --> 33:49.920] [SPEAKER_02]: I think also number portability, I'm not sure how, but I think this factors into it.
[33:50.400 --> 33:58.820] [SPEAKER_02]: And also just the fact that people, I guess, in general, don't speak on the phone as much anymore.
[33:59.180 --> 34:03.880] [SPEAKER_02]: And also, I mean, like you can argue, I'm sure, but it is a thing.
[34:04.080 --> 34:13.460] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it just feels like there are a lot less conversation outside of maybe formal settings or conference calls or the sort of business setting.
[34:13.620 --> 34:20.800] [SPEAKER_02]: And with regard to business, I would also add, it's very hard to find contact info through websites for businesses.
[34:22.880 --> 34:27.040] [SPEAKER_02]: But that is also sort of the last place you'll find phone numbers as well.
[34:27.180 --> 34:31.880] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a bit of a paradox, but it's a very strange behavior.
[34:32.440 --> 34:35.700] [SPEAKER_02]: And sort of, I think, a loss.
[34:35.920 --> 34:42.980] [SPEAKER_02]: This idea of having the ability to contact someone, you really do need their permission to contact them.
[34:43.260 --> 34:48.640] [SPEAKER_02]: And even when you do have their number, I mean, how many contacts do you have in your phone?
[34:48.640 --> 34:51.540] [SPEAKER_02]: And how many of those do you actually speak with?
[34:52.300 --> 34:58.320] [SPEAKER_05]: And businesses also are sort of the last bastion of people needing to call up someone they don't already know.
[34:59.180 --> 35:03.300] [SPEAKER_05]: You can call a business and ask what time they're open or do they do this service or whatever.
[35:03.500 --> 35:05.360] [SPEAKER_05]: And that's still accepted as something that people do.
[35:05.680 --> 35:11.240] [SPEAKER_05]: Whereas people communicating with their friends, their family, or whoever, that tends to go through other channels nowadays.
[35:12.140 --> 35:12.260] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[35:12.300 --> 35:14.260] [SPEAKER_06]: And I think you hit it right on the head too, Kyle.
[35:14.400 --> 35:17.640] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, this was almost a form of etiquette.
[35:17.760 --> 35:25.200] [SPEAKER_06]: If you just look somebody's phone number up and then call them without giving them any kind of warning these days, you're sort of like a pariah.
[35:25.420 --> 35:29.360] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, it's almost like you have to text somebody first and then tell them that you're going to call us.
[35:29.400 --> 35:35.320] [SPEAKER_06]: If you just call somebody and expect to talk to them and have a conversation, I mean, you don't know what they're doing.
[35:35.340 --> 35:36.700] [SPEAKER_06]: They could be in the middle of something.
[35:36.860 --> 35:39.740] [SPEAKER_06]: They're definitely not going to answer the phone if they don't recognize your number.
[35:39.980 --> 35:46.800] [SPEAKER_06]: You know, we just don't live in a society where I think it's acceptable to use the phone the way that we did 20 years ago.
[35:47.140 --> 35:49.980] [SPEAKER_06]: And sure, there's something kind of sad about that.
[35:51.040 --> 35:51.920] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, certainly.
[35:52.440 --> 35:53.880] [SPEAKER_03]: And you know, think about that.
[35:54.220 --> 36:00.160] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, like you said, 20 years ago, 30 years ago, you pick up the phone book, look up somebody's phone number and call them.
[36:00.360 --> 36:01.500] [SPEAKER_03]: There was no caller ID.
[36:01.820 --> 36:02.600] [SPEAKER_03]: The phone rings.
[36:02.760 --> 36:03.820] [SPEAKER_03]: They have no idea who's calling.
[36:04.360 --> 36:09.960] [SPEAKER_03]: And you pick up the phone and start a conversation with an unknown person that just found your number in the phone book.
[36:10.140 --> 36:17.420] [SPEAKER_03]: Seems so alien and strange to us now, but wow, you know, it makes you realize how quickly things have changed.
[36:17.560 --> 36:33.740] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, if you don't get screened into oblivion and they do talk to you, them knowing you're calling, they may already have an attitude when you pick up, which is fine, you know, if you're good friends and you can take a joke or you know one another.
[36:33.960 --> 36:49.000] [SPEAKER_02]: But that sort of neutral answering and I guess politeness of I'll accept this call by talking to someone, you don't have that nicety.
[36:49.240 --> 37:03.400] [SPEAKER_02]: It's either, you know, someone you really are on good terms with or, you know, they're already anticipating what you want and thinking, you know, 20 steps and doing all their five-dimensional chess with you.
[37:03.400 --> 37:08.920] [SPEAKER_03]: And that could be if you make a wrong number, you know, you can't do that anymore.
[37:09.120 --> 37:14.120] [SPEAKER_03]: You can't call somebody by accident and just say, sorry, wrong number, or just hang up.
[37:14.340 --> 37:17.800] [SPEAKER_03]: They'll start 6ix9ine your ass and then, you know, say, why did you call me?
[37:17.860 --> 37:19.920] [SPEAKER_03]: And then that turns into a whole big thing.
[37:20.160 --> 37:22.720] [SPEAKER_03]: It's just, it's just not the same as it used to be.
[37:22.860 --> 37:23.340] [SPEAKER_03]: They're magic.
[37:23.920 --> 37:25.540] [SPEAKER_03]: I've totally gone out of making phone calls.
[37:25.660 --> 37:27.420] [SPEAKER_05]: I really miss wrong numbers.
[37:27.600 --> 37:35.360] [SPEAKER_05]: They were always my favorite thing when we grew up with a phone in the house because I loved all the conversations that I could have with people who had no idea who they were calling.
[37:36.000 --> 37:37.660] [SPEAKER_05]: And nowadays, it's very rare.
[37:37.840 --> 37:39.360] [SPEAKER_05]: Every so often, I'll get a wrong number text.
[37:40.160 --> 37:45.700] [SPEAKER_05]: I was having a fun conversation with somebody earlier today on a wrong number text, but that's a whole other thing.
[37:45.900 --> 37:54.760] [SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, there's just that sort of immediacy that just email has not replaced because, you know, you don't get the same sort of subtle joys from email spam.
[37:56.060 --> 37:57.840] [SPEAKER_02]: This doesn't have to be all negative though.
[37:58.400 --> 37:59.440] [SPEAKER_02]: Make a call.
[37:59.940 --> 38:01.240] [SPEAKER_02]: Find a reason to talk to somebody.
[38:01.580 --> 38:05.940] [SPEAKER_02]: There's definite work to be done on the phone and it is not gone.
[38:06.540 --> 38:11.080] [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, we may not have a repository for phone numbers and everybody's phone yet.
[38:11.620 --> 38:14.660] [SPEAKER_02]: That sounds like a project for a bit greater.
[38:15.200 --> 38:18.360] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, make a phone call.
[38:18.620 --> 38:20.360] [SPEAKER_02]: It's, yeah, it's not impossible.
[38:20.360 --> 38:25.120] [SPEAKER_02]: And we all have unlimited everything, I would imagine.
[38:25.120 --> 38:39.040] [SPEAKER_02]: And if not, you can top up your prepaid, whatever the heck it is, and, you know, Vonage or whatever, figure out, you know, whatever scam you're going to use to talk to somebody and just, you know, actually talk to them.
[38:39.060 --> 38:40.120] [SPEAKER_03]: I know who you can call.
[38:40.220 --> 38:44.020] [SPEAKER_03]: You can call the folks at Off The Hook because we're going to be leaving in a second.
[38:44.740 --> 38:46.700] [SPEAKER_03]: But they're staying in the studio.
[38:47.100 --> 38:50.320] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm sure they'd love to hear from the listeners.
[38:50.500 --> 38:50.940] [SPEAKER_03]: Would you not, guys?
[38:51.600 --> 38:52.420] [SPEAKER_05]: We would indeed.
[38:52.860 --> 38:56.300] [SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, we'll let you get back to some sort of normal human sleep cycle.
[38:56.860 --> 38:58.060] [SPEAKER_05]: But one last question.
[38:58.160 --> 38:59.900] [SPEAKER_05]: What's next for you guys on your journey?
[39:01.140 --> 39:02.640] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, we might need Greenland.
[39:02.800 --> 39:03.440] [SPEAKER_03]: We don't know.
[39:04.680 --> 39:06.920] [SPEAKER_03]: We're not getting answers to our calls to Greenland.
[39:07.680 --> 39:09.720] [SPEAKER_03]: But we're very curious about that place.
[39:09.840 --> 39:11.560] [SPEAKER_03]: If there are any listeners there, please write to us.
[39:12.080 --> 39:13.800] [SPEAKER_03]: LTH at 2600.com.
[39:14.000 --> 39:16.300] [SPEAKER_03]: But I think we'll be back in the studio next week.
[39:16.360 --> 39:17.440] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm pretty sure about that.
[39:17.700 --> 39:17.940] [SPEAKER_05]: Excellent.
[39:18.160 --> 39:19.880] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, We might double back to the Faroe Islands.
[39:20.460 --> 39:26.940] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, if you, when you do get back to the studio, bring one of those phone books, because, you know, all of us would really love to have a look at it.
[39:27.880 --> 39:28.540] [SPEAKER_05]: Emmanuel and Kyle.
[39:29.680 --> 39:32.000] [SPEAKER_03]: We can all read through it.
[39:32.220 --> 39:32.520] [SPEAKER_05]: Excellent.
[39:33.000 --> 39:34.240] [SPEAKER_05]: You guys have a good night.
[39:34.340 --> 39:35.060] [SPEAKER_05]: Thank you for joining us.
[39:36.180 --> 39:36.760] [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
[39:37.020 --> 39:37.180] [SPEAKER_03]: Bye.
[39:37.400 --> 39:37.580] [SPEAKER_03]: Bye.
[39:40.380 --> 39:40.740] [SPEAKER_05]: Wow.
[39:41.180 --> 39:44.000] [SPEAKER_05]: That's a, it's a, it's always good to catch up with those guys.
[39:44.260 --> 39:48.040] [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, and yeah, just so much, uh, so much cool stuff going on.
[39:48.060 --> 39:49.600] [SPEAKER_06]: You never know what you're going to talk about with them.
[39:49.840 --> 39:54.880] [SPEAKER_06]: You know, I had no idea we're going to be speaking about phone books at such length and detail this evening.
[39:54.880 --> 39:55.680] [SPEAKER_06]: I would have prepared.
[39:55.900 --> 40:01.040] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, we, I think, I think that was kind of a safe bet, actually, because, you know, we, we've known these guys for a while.
[40:01.260 --> 40:01.740] [SPEAKER_05]: That's true.
[40:01.920 --> 40:03.940] [SPEAKER_06]: So either trains or phone books or something like that.
[40:03.940 --> 40:04.140] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[40:04.360 --> 40:06.120] [SPEAKER_06]: So, and we had both tonight, actually.
[40:06.280 --> 40:14.220] [SPEAKER_05]: So, yeah, there was, there was something, uh, you'd mentioned about, um, calling the prime minister, which, uh, leads to a new story I wanted to get to tonight, or sort of a new story.
[40:14.660 --> 40:31.840] [SPEAKER_05]: Um, the white house, our white house in, in this here country, here in what we live is, uh, uh, they have a comment line set up at 202-456-1111, where you could leave your, um, questions, your, your comments and messages for the president himself.
[40:32.440 --> 40:44.720] [SPEAKER_05]: Now, um, this past weekend, we had a government shutdown, which, uh, which is always a lot of fun, but, uh, this time it was especially interesting, because when you called this number, there was nobody there to take your call, but there was also, uh,
[40:44.940 --> 40:49.140] [SPEAKER_05]: uh, the, the message that, uh, was on the outgoing voicemail was pretty fascinating.
[40:49.300 --> 40:50.140] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to play this for you guys.
[40:51.420 --> 40:54.100] [SPEAKER_07]: Thank you for calling the white house comment line.
[40:55.140 --> 40:56.760] [SPEAKER_07]: Thank you for calling the white house.
[40:57.320 --> 41:09.640] [SPEAKER_07]: Unfortunately, we cannot answer your call today because congressional Democrats are holding government funding, including funding for our troops and other national security priorities, hostage to an unrelated immigration debate.
[41:10.020 --> 41:13.040] [SPEAKER_07]: Due to this obstruction, the government is shut down.
[41:13.440 --> 41:22.640] [SPEAKER_07]: In the meantime, you can leave a comment for the president at www.whitehouse.gov forward slash contact.
[41:23.080 --> 41:26.980] [SPEAKER_07]: We look forward to taking your calls as soon as the government reopens.
[41:28.800 --> 41:31.160] [SPEAKER_05]: Now this, this fascinates me for so many reasons.
[41:31.320 --> 41:36.500] [SPEAKER_05]: And, uh, one of them is just the tone of it was amazing.
[41:36.800 --> 41:37.760] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, what do you guys think?
[41:37.920 --> 41:40.060] [SPEAKER_06]: I thought it was, uh, just incredible.
[41:40.460 --> 41:51.700] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, really they, they managed to convey a sort of condescension and, uh, accusations, uh, that, you know, you just wouldn't ordinarily get in, in, in regular outgoing messages.
[41:51.920 --> 41:52.120] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[41:52.120 --> 41:53.540] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, it's, it's, it's so incredible.
[41:53.900 --> 42:14.280] [SPEAKER_06]: It's, uh, I think a new low to turn the outgoing message for a comment line into a partisan political statement about the responsibility for the shutdown of the government, uh, and just completely point the finger at the Democrats, accuse them of sidelining troops and national security.
[42:14.520 --> 42:18.580] [SPEAKER_06]: Uh, it's really just, uh, I mean, you, you kind of have to laugh at it.
[42:18.800 --> 42:19.860] [SPEAKER_06]: It's, it's pitiful.
[42:20.080 --> 42:20.440] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[42:20.540 --> 42:22.880] [SPEAKER_08]: This should go without saying it was not even factually accurate.
[42:23.080 --> 42:26.540] [SPEAKER_08]: The, the shutdown did not affect military spending or anything.
[42:26.940 --> 42:27.340] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[42:27.480 --> 42:38.740] [SPEAKER_05]: And, uh, what fascinates me, I mean, this, uh, this actually got some media attention, some news attention and the recording, which you can't hear anymore because the government is back open now, apparently, and, uh, you just get their normal, uh, their normal,
[42:38.860 --> 42:41.500] [SPEAKER_05]: uh, lines and services when you call now.
[42:41.620 --> 42:48.920] [SPEAKER_05]: But, uh, this recording is archived on, uh, the site, thisisarecording.com, which, uh, is a site that collects all sorts of telephone related recordings.
[42:49.400 --> 42:50.420] [SPEAKER_05]: I highly recommend checking it out.
[42:50.520 --> 43:03.220] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a, it's a rabbit hole to go down, but, um, yeah, now, now it appears to be, I think the only, the only copy of this message out there, but, um, yeah, just, uh, just the sheer, like sort of petty schoolyard, uh, snottiness of it.
[43:03.300 --> 43:05.680] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I, I'm not even, I don't think I'm even mad.
[43:05.760 --> 43:06.460] [SPEAKER_05]: That's kind of amazing.
[43:07.440 --> 43:08.760] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it really is incredible.
[43:09.040 --> 43:20.700] [SPEAKER_06]: And, uh, you know, we should probably give that number out again, which I think you said was two Oh two, four, five, six one, one, one, one, uh, because I'm sure lots of our listeners around the world and probably including Iceland, maybe that woman in the North as well,
[43:20.840 --> 43:25.320] [SPEAKER_06]: that Emmanuel and Kyle had run into in a cafe or something would like to leave the president some comment.
[43:25.660 --> 43:43.720] [SPEAKER_06]: Um, uh, two Oh two, four, five, six one, one, one, one, which is different than I think from the switchboard number, which of course was two Oh two, four, five, six 14, 14, which was a long time favorite of phone phreaks and hackers in the nineties for prank telephone calls as a switchboard to the white house.
[43:43.940 --> 43:44.340] [SPEAKER_06]: Absolutely.
[43:44.620 --> 43:45.640] [SPEAKER_06]: That was always a lot of fun.
[43:45.740 --> 43:53.260] [SPEAKER_06]: And also is a number that will work on just about every single stores database for a rewards program.
[43:53.500 --> 44:04.140] [SPEAKER_06]: So if you're ever in Dwayne Reed, CVS, et cetera, I think we've mentioned this before and you don't have your rewards card or you just don't want them tracking your purchases for everything that you make according to your, your mobile number, which may be,
[44:04.240 --> 44:05.480] [SPEAKER_06]: maybe that's the ultimate goal here.
[44:05.600 --> 44:19.080] [SPEAKER_06]: Maybe Dwayne Reed is going to come up with a, uh, universal database of all of our cell phone numbers and then, you know, put that out there in some kind of, uh, published packet that's going to be left at our doorsteps in New York, you know, and just become soggy through the rain.
[44:19.240 --> 44:21.520] [SPEAKER_05]: Or maybe Dwayne Reed will just assume we all work for the white house.
[44:21.780 --> 44:22.720] [SPEAKER_06]: That's possible.
[44:22.940 --> 44:24.080] [SPEAKER_06]: It might, might be true.
[44:24.520 --> 44:28.140] [SPEAKER_06]: Um, but, uh, yeah, that's two Oh two, four, five, six, 14, 14.
[44:28.540 --> 44:31.620] [SPEAKER_06]: But again, this, this outgoing message I think was really hilarious.
[44:31.880 --> 44:44.620] [SPEAKER_06]: It's sort of a new low, uh, and, and pettiness and, and I'm surprised that frankly, they were able to pull it off given the stories from, you know, a week or so ago about the complete disaster that they had when they were trying to have a conference call,
[44:44.760 --> 44:47.580] [SPEAKER_06]: an international conference call where nobody could dial in.
[44:47.740 --> 44:49.220] [SPEAKER_06]: People were hearing one side of the conversation.
[44:49.400 --> 44:51.100] [SPEAKER_06]: So, you know, you, you do have to hand it to them.
[44:51.160 --> 44:57.560] [SPEAKER_06]: They were able to pull off a condescending outgoing message, uh, in time for the government shutdown.
[44:57.700 --> 45:04.780] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, they, they didn't obviously bother to schedule meetings to avert the shutdown, but they had the outgoing message planned probably well in advance.
[45:05.360 --> 45:13.480] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm sure it took many takes to get that level of condescension and, uh, and, and recrimination kind of inherent to every single word that was mentioned.
[45:14.160 --> 45:14.560] [SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely.
[45:15.160 --> 45:28.620] [SPEAKER_05]: Um, moving on, there is, uh, there is a slight update to a story we talked about last week, which is the, uh, Hawaii Emergency Management Agency sending out, uh, a warning of an, of an incoming missile that of course was not actually there.
[45:29.140 --> 45:40.680] [SPEAKER_05]: And, uh, the, the fallout from, uh, from that, um, a little bit more information came out, uh, the story from the Washington Post, uh, reporting, uh, that minutes after the Hawaii Emergency Management Agency mistakenly sent a missile alert at 8 0 7 a.m.
[45:40.860 --> 45:44.460] [SPEAKER_05]: on January 13th, terrifying residents and visitors, visitors across the state.
[45:44.660 --> 45:53.940] [SPEAKER_05]: Some officials, uh, rushed to Twitter to reassure everyone it was a mistake, but one Twitter account was definitely silent for 17 minutes, that of Hawaii Governor David Ige.
[45:55.020 --> 46:00.500] [SPEAKER_05]: And, uh, though Ige was informed by the state's adjutant, uh, general that the alert was false two minutes after it was sent.
[46:00.720 --> 46:02.440] [SPEAKER_05]: He waited until 8 24 a.m.
[46:02.540 --> 46:04.020] [SPEAKER_05]: to tweet, there is no missile threat.
[46:04.440 --> 46:12.020] [SPEAKER_05]: Now, guys, I'm going to, uh, I'm going to just put this question out there, just knowing how governmental, uh, things and bureaucracies work.
[46:12.300 --> 46:14.140] [SPEAKER_05]: Um, what, what do you think was the holdup here?
[46:15.620 --> 46:17.180] [SPEAKER_06]: That's a very good question.
[46:17.860 --> 46:19.680] [SPEAKER_05]: Um, 17 minutes seems like a long time.
[46:19.820 --> 46:21.340] [SPEAKER_06]: 17 minutes is, is a long time.
[46:21.620 --> 46:23.500] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, leave your constituents thinking that a missile's coming in.
[46:23.640 --> 46:24.580] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, no, no question.
[46:24.880 --> 46:28.740] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, perhaps, um, he didn't have a phone book or something.
[46:29.000 --> 46:31.160] [SPEAKER_06]: He couldn't, couldn't get the right, uh, Intel.
[46:31.340 --> 46:34.420] [SPEAKER_06]: I'd, you know, I, I would, I would gather it with something silly.
[46:34.580 --> 46:35.420] [SPEAKER_05]: He was golfing.
[46:36.160 --> 46:36.880] [SPEAKER_05]: Even better.
[46:37.040 --> 46:38.500] [SPEAKER_05]: He couldn't log into his Twitter.
[46:38.720 --> 46:39.340] [SPEAKER_06]: Of course.
[46:39.540 --> 46:41.220] [SPEAKER_05]: He didn't know his Twitter password.
[46:41.740 --> 46:48.000] [SPEAKER_05]: Um, a quote from him, uh, David Ege saying, I, I have to confess that I don't know my Twitter account logons and the password.
[46:48.160 --> 46:49.920] [SPEAKER_05]: So certainly that's one of the things that I've made.
[46:50.120 --> 46:51.500] [SPEAKER_05]: That's one of the changes that I've made.
[46:51.920 --> 47:14.760] [SPEAKER_06]: So yeah, um, it's, uh, well, look on, on the one hand, you know, I think that this is a, this is kind of great, uh, because it's reassuring in certain ways to know that a politician of that statute, a governor of Hawaii is not using Twitter on a regular basis for official communiques of the government.
[47:14.940 --> 47:17.380] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, that I think is something to be applauded on the one hand.
[47:17.380 --> 47:23.060] [SPEAKER_06]: On the other hand, he didn't know his password, um, which is sort of, uh, ridiculous.
[47:23.060 --> 47:37.220] [SPEAKER_06]: And thank God he didn't have two FA set up, uh, two factor authentication, of course, and had changed his phone because then he would have had to scan his driver's license, send it over to Twitter, have a, uh, a letter printed on official letterhead of the,
[47:37.220 --> 47:41.960] [SPEAKER_06]: uh, governor's office of Hawaii, and then fax that over to Twitter and then he'd have to make a determination.
[47:41.960 --> 47:50.340] [SPEAKER_06]: And then it might've been several days before he was able to inform the populace that an intercontinental ballistic missile was in fact not coming, uh, towards them imminently.
[47:50.520 --> 47:52.720] [SPEAKER_06]: Uh, but it is, it's, it's kind of interesting.
[47:53.060 --> 48:02.880] [SPEAKER_06]: Also, on the other hand, this is something that you've talked about quite a bit, Voltaire, which is, you know, again, you know, here's Twitter being used for official government communications.
[48:03.140 --> 48:07.940] [SPEAKER_06]: And this was a really obviously, uh, important governmental communication.
[48:08.640 --> 48:09.320] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, for sure.
[48:09.580 --> 48:21.280] [SPEAKER_08]: I actually think that it, um, I can take the other view that I think it, just because Trump uses Twitter to, uh, as a troll, I don't think that we just throw the baby out with the bathwater and say that politicians shouldn't use Twitter.
[48:21.440 --> 48:26.800] [SPEAKER_08]: I think it's a very effective, um, low, um, friction way of communicating with the public.
[48:26.980 --> 48:31.640] [SPEAKER_08]: Just like we, uh, FDR made effective use of the radio to communicate his ideas.
[48:31.800 --> 48:36.040] [SPEAKER_08]: I think that, um, tall citizens should be able to use Twitter and do so well.
[48:36.120 --> 48:36.660] [SPEAKER_06]: I agree with that.
[48:36.780 --> 48:38.740] [SPEAKER_06]: I think all things in moderation, right?
[48:39.040 --> 48:43.960] [SPEAKER_06]: And, uh, this 17 minute lag is something to be, uh, I think, examined too.
[48:44.080 --> 48:46.160] [SPEAKER_06]: Is it, that's quite a long time actually.
[48:46.160 --> 48:57.120] [SPEAKER_06]: And if you don't know your Twitter password, you know, you click on, uh, I forgot my password link and you reset your password after you realize that their automated message has gone into your spam filter and then you fish it out and then you click on the link.
[48:57.320 --> 48:59.620] [SPEAKER_06]: That doesn't necessarily take 17 minutes.
[48:59.800 --> 49:11.140] [SPEAKER_06]: You know, so what, what happened here in, in, in all likelihood, I think what happened is that the, the governor went to reset his password and then realized that the password was sent probably to an account whose password he didn't have.
[49:11.260 --> 49:15.580] [SPEAKER_06]: And then he needed to reset that password and then get into that account and then access his Twitter account.
[49:15.720 --> 49:18.340] [SPEAKER_06]: That, I think, more accurately accounts for 17 minutes.
[49:18.480 --> 49:19.880] [SPEAKER_06]: We've all been through that loop, I think.
[49:20.020 --> 49:22.820] [SPEAKER_08]: And they're probably all done in very old BlackParis that they're probably still using.
[49:22.960 --> 49:24.260] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's probably the case.
[49:24.260 --> 49:24.780] [SPEAKER_06]: That's right.
[49:25.160 --> 49:29.200] [SPEAKER_06]: So, yeah, 17 minutes on account of this is pretty poor form.
[49:29.500 --> 49:31.300] [SPEAKER_06]: But I think I'm going to hold my guns.
[49:31.400 --> 49:36.380] [SPEAKER_06]: I like the fact that he's not using Twitter, that he doesn't rely on it all the time.
[49:36.380 --> 49:37.960] [SPEAKER_06]: He's obviously not checking it.
[49:38.960 --> 49:40.460] [SPEAKER_06]: So, yeah, kudos to him.
[49:40.460 --> 49:46.880] [SPEAKER_06]: And I think it does take a certain level of integrity to own up to that.
[49:47.240 --> 49:49.320] [SPEAKER_06]: And I think we should applaud him for that.
[49:49.380 --> 49:53.180] [SPEAKER_06]: And I think he's probably taken some measures to make sure that that doesn't happen.
[49:53.300 --> 49:57.060] [SPEAKER_06]: But at least we got what appears to be most of the story.
[49:57.280 --> 50:04.260] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's just a shame he didn't have his password written on a Post-it, like out in public view, like the Hawaii Emergency Management Agency does.
[50:04.620 --> 50:08.540] [SPEAKER_05]: But moving on, I think I'd like us to take some phone calls, if we can.
[50:08.540 --> 50:14.720] [SPEAKER_05]: Again, call us at 347-335-0818.
[50:15.180 --> 50:17.180] [SPEAKER_05]: And tweet at us, at Hacker Radio Show.
[50:17.700 --> 50:18.100] [SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely.
[50:18.320 --> 50:22.480] [SPEAKER_05]: We'd love to hear from you in the time we've got left in tonight's episode.
[50:23.380 --> 50:25.700] [SPEAKER_05]: 347-335-0818.
[50:25.960 --> 50:30.420] [SPEAKER_05]: While we're waiting for the light to blink, I'll just read a listener email.
[50:30.580 --> 50:33.540] [SPEAKER_05]: We've got a loyal listener writes, that's how they signed it, a loyal listener.
[50:34.060 --> 50:34.740] [SPEAKER_05]: Hi, guys.
[50:34.880 --> 50:38.180] [SPEAKER_05]: In just a few months, my family and I will be heading down to the wonderful world of Disney.
[50:38.540 --> 50:40.860] [SPEAKER_05]: We have FastPass, and I know it has RFID.
[50:41.100 --> 50:44.380] [SPEAKER_05]: What is the best way to protect it from having any information get sent out?
[50:44.600 --> 50:48.160] [SPEAKER_05]: And do you have any notes or suggestions on people who have hacked it?
[50:49.240 --> 50:50.120] [SPEAKER_05]: Disney FastPass.
[50:50.220 --> 50:54.640] [SPEAKER_05]: You guys have any experience with this sort of action?
[50:55.220 --> 50:58.580] [SPEAKER_08]: I haven't been to Disney since they started using RFID.
[50:59.300 --> 51:03.840] [SPEAKER_08]: But you could probably invest in a RFID-blocking bag or a wallet.
[51:04.460 --> 51:05.300] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's true.
[51:05.380 --> 51:09.900] [SPEAKER_06]: And you can find lots of different variations on that theme on Amazon as well.
[51:10.000 --> 51:11.400] [SPEAKER_06]: And sometimes these things go for around $20.
[51:11.840 --> 51:16.220] [SPEAKER_06]: But, you know, there's sort of these Faraday-type bags.
[51:16.220 --> 51:17.380] [SPEAKER_06]: You put anything in there.
[51:17.420 --> 51:20.120] [SPEAKER_06]: They're good for your cell phones as well, things, your tablets.
[51:20.300 --> 51:21.340] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you get them for passports.
[51:21.340 --> 51:24.580] [SPEAKER_05]: I think probably the same kind of technology will work, depending on...
[51:24.580 --> 51:27.520] [SPEAKER_05]: But, you know, Disney already knows who you are and where you are anyway.
[51:28.280 --> 51:29.800] [SPEAKER_05]: Meantime, we've got a phone call.
[51:30.080 --> 51:30.700] [SPEAKER_05]: Hello, caller.
[51:30.820 --> 51:31.240] [SPEAKER_05]: You're on the air.
[51:32.580 --> 51:33.100] [SPEAKER_12]: Yes, hello.
[51:33.180 --> 51:33.640] [SPEAKER_12]: Can you hear me?
[51:33.800 --> 51:34.300] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, indeed.
[51:34.560 --> 51:35.140] [SPEAKER_05]: What's on your mind?
[51:35.460 --> 51:35.680] [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah.
[51:36.340 --> 51:41.580] [SPEAKER_12]: About that Hawaii situation, I'm not buying the whole story.
[51:41.760 --> 51:44.660] [SPEAKER_12]: I mean, it just doesn't add up.
[51:44.660 --> 51:54.220] [SPEAKER_12]: I think that this was some type of test as to the public's reaction in case there is an actual event.
[51:54.520 --> 52:00.220] [SPEAKER_12]: I mean, the whole thing is just, you know, it doesn't pass the smell test.
[52:00.320 --> 52:04.480] [SPEAKER_05]: So you think the whole event, the missile warning and everything, was on purpose?
[52:06.100 --> 52:07.220] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, exactly.
[52:07.700 --> 52:08.760] [SPEAKER_08]: Why would they choose Hawaii?
[52:08.940 --> 52:11.440] [SPEAKER_08]: Hawaii is like the most relaxed, chill state.
[52:11.440 --> 52:18.520] [SPEAKER_08]: They would, like, if any state, you wouldn't be able to accurately judge how a quote-unquote regular, like, neurotic state would react.
[52:19.620 --> 52:26.280] [SPEAKER_12]: And also, it's been said that it is a potential target for North Korea.
[52:26.280 --> 52:34.300] [SPEAKER_12]: So, I mean, what better place to stage a real-time drill?
[52:34.300 --> 52:35.900] [SPEAKER_12]: No, and I...
[52:36.360 --> 52:43.100] [SPEAKER_12]: Does anybody think that the story that, oh, somebody pushed the wrong button...
[52:44.200 --> 52:44.640] [SPEAKER_12]: Really?
[52:44.920 --> 52:45.540] [SPEAKER_08]: I think that...
[52:45.540 --> 52:46.800] [SPEAKER_12]: Is that how the system works?
[52:46.920 --> 52:48.620] [SPEAKER_08]: They showed pictures of what the interface is.
[52:48.680 --> 52:52.060] [SPEAKER_08]: We had a guest last week talking about how poorly designed the interface is.
[52:52.240 --> 52:54.740] [SPEAKER_08]: And, like, frankly, I'm surprised it hasn't happened sooner.
[52:55.140 --> 52:57.120] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, it's an interesting thing to think about.
[52:57.120 --> 53:07.020] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think anyone in the IT InfoSec worlds have all that much doubt that a system can be so badly designed that someone pushes the wrong button and activates a missile alert.
[53:07.620 --> 53:16.180] [SPEAKER_05]: But, on the other hand, you know, I can't really think of any occasion on which, you know, Hawaii has been attacked and that led to some sort of conflict.
[53:17.660 --> 53:18.880] [SPEAKER_12]: What about Pearl Harbor?
[53:19.060 --> 53:20.020] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah, there was that.
[53:20.080 --> 53:21.140] [SPEAKER_05]: But I can't think of any other one.
[53:21.300 --> 53:24.420] [SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, no, that's a point.
[53:25.700 --> 53:27.700] [SPEAKER_05]: I think you were being sarcastic on that.
[53:27.860 --> 53:30.820] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's definitely something to think about.
[53:31.580 --> 53:34.020] [SPEAKER_12]: You just dismissed Pearl Harbor out of hand.
[53:34.280 --> 53:36.460] [SPEAKER_12]: I mean, your attitude is...
[53:36.460 --> 53:37.120] [SPEAKER_05]: No, I did.
[53:37.720 --> 53:38.080] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[53:39.380 --> 53:41.580] [SPEAKER_05]: And I'd like to thank everyone here for catching that.
[53:41.720 --> 53:44.080] [SPEAKER_05]: But, in any case, thank you very much for your call.
[53:44.440 --> 53:46.020] [SPEAKER_05]: We'll see what else is going on.
[53:46.100 --> 53:46.560] [SPEAKER_05]: And thanks for listening.
[53:48.060 --> 53:49.420] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, that's an interesting theory.
[53:49.640 --> 53:51.900] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, look, he does have a point.
[53:51.900 --> 53:56.300] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, it is a state that would be under a probable threat.
[53:56.480 --> 53:58.120] [SPEAKER_06]: So, if you were going to have some kind of test like that.
[53:58.120 --> 53:59.040] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, no, it has...
[53:59.040 --> 54:00.740] [SPEAKER_06]: In Guam or Hawaii.
[54:00.920 --> 54:01.780] [SPEAKER_06]: Guam's not a state.
[54:02.120 --> 54:06.140] [SPEAKER_06]: But I don't see why we would need to necessarily measure the reaction of the populace.
[54:06.260 --> 54:13.960] [SPEAKER_06]: Everyone, no matter what or where it was, if it was Oklahoma, Tulsa was under threat, I think people would react the same exact way, which is mass hysteria.
[54:14.140 --> 54:20.020] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I mean, if we're going to measure the specific volume of pants failing that was going on, you know, we can maybe do that.
[54:20.140 --> 54:22.660] [SPEAKER_05]: But if you're out there, give us a call.
[54:22.760 --> 54:23.500] [SPEAKER_05]: Tell us what's going on.
[54:24.960 --> 54:29.000] [SPEAKER_05]: 347-335-0818 in the few minutes we have left.
[54:29.340 --> 54:31.800] [SPEAKER_05]: And I'd just like to point out that, yes, I was aware of Pearl Harbor.
[54:31.920 --> 54:33.400] [SPEAKER_05]: And that was kind of the point I was making.
[54:34.020 --> 54:35.380] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I thought that was...
[54:35.380 --> 54:35.960] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, exactly.
[54:36.840 --> 54:41.000] [SPEAKER_06]: It could have been missed because you do have a subtle way of being sarcastic.
[54:41.300 --> 54:45.300] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I was doing a lot of winking and gesticulating, but then I realized that doesn't work on the radio so much.
[54:45.500 --> 54:46.320] [SPEAKER_06]: That's right, yeah.
[54:46.740 --> 54:50.560] [SPEAKER_06]: I want to have a Sean Spicer moment there with regard to U.S.
[54:50.640 --> 54:51.360] [SPEAKER_06]: history this time.
[54:51.500 --> 54:55.520] [SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, 347-335-0818 tweeted us at Hacker Radio Show.
[54:56.540 --> 54:59.520] [SPEAKER_05]: And let us know what else is going on.
[55:01.560 --> 55:05.900] [SPEAKER_06]: So there was a lot going on this particular week, I think, in these last couple of minutes.
[55:06.220 --> 55:10.140] [SPEAKER_06]: Maybe we should have like a sort of little update on this net neutrality nonsense.
[55:10.140 --> 55:14.620] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, there's a story on Ars Technica.
[55:14.800 --> 55:20.220] [SPEAKER_05]: The FCC has all sorts of things going on.
[55:20.460 --> 55:21.640] [SPEAKER_05]: The U.S.
[55:21.920 --> 55:28.380] [SPEAKER_05]: Government Accountability Office will investigate the use of impersonation in public comments on the FCC's net neutrality repeal.
[55:28.980 --> 55:35.360] [SPEAKER_05]: You might remember the FCC reported all kinds of comments coming in in support of taking down net neutrality.
[55:35.360 --> 55:40.840] [SPEAKER_05]: And a researcher at ShmooCon, the recent hacker conference that happened in the D.C.
[55:40.920 --> 55:46.320] [SPEAKER_05]: area, named Leah Figueroa, had presented some interesting findings.
[55:47.120 --> 56:00.200] [SPEAKER_05]: Apparently, a large amount of, like thousands upon thousands of the emails that came in were addresses at Pornhub.com, which of course is a popular site for grown-up movies.
[56:01.640 --> 56:07.460] [SPEAKER_05]: And the site themselves, they don't give their email addresses out to people in the larger Internet.
[56:07.660 --> 56:11.440] [SPEAKER_05]: And they've only, at last count, had 55 employees.
[56:11.960 --> 56:20.380] [SPEAKER_05]: So either each employee sent out thousands of individual messages from their own work account to the FCC, or there's something funny going on here.
[56:20.380 --> 56:26.540] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, for some reason, I think that the 55 employees at Pornhub are busy doing other things.
[56:27.120 --> 56:31.680] [SPEAKER_06]: And, you know, likely not, you know, so concerned about net neutrality.
[56:31.800 --> 56:36.120] [SPEAKER_08]: But I feel like they would be more concerned about it than anybody because they use so much bandwidth.
[56:36.520 --> 56:37.780] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's an interesting point.
[56:37.960 --> 56:38.360] [SPEAKER_08]: Absolutely.
[56:38.740 --> 56:39.780] [SPEAKER_08]: But they'd be on the other side.
[56:39.940 --> 56:42.500] [SPEAKER_08]: They'd be supporting, or opposing their repeal.
[56:43.400 --> 56:44.640] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, that's exactly right.
[56:44.740 --> 56:46.420] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, this would go against their interest, right?
[56:46.420 --> 56:49.580] [SPEAKER_06]: This would sort of be very much a statement against their own interest.
[56:49.580 --> 56:50.340] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, you're absolutely right.
[56:50.780 --> 57:11.100] [SPEAKER_06]: The other thing that came out of these couple of stories, which I thought was quite neat and seems to have been glossed over, but the way in which this massive amount of comments was posted to the FCC net neutrality comment board or system was that this system was designed,
[57:11.120 --> 57:11.700] [SPEAKER_06]: actually.
[57:11.920 --> 57:30.460] [SPEAKER_06]: It was a feature that allowed massive amounts of comments to be uploaded singly because they wanted to allow the names and addresses and signatures of people who had signed on to online petitions to upload their comments into this particular FCC commenting system.
[57:30.700 --> 57:37.680] [SPEAKER_06]: And it was that feature that was taken advantage of by these bots and imposters of U.S.
[57:38.100 --> 57:41.120] [SPEAKER_06]: citizens to make all of these anti-net neutrality comments.
[57:41.120 --> 57:58.240] [SPEAKER_06]: So they took this thing that was designed to give a voice, a very kind of egalitarian and democratic voice to massive amounts of people who had signed online petitions and use that kind of democratic interaction against us.
[57:59.040 --> 58:24.100] [SPEAKER_06]: And that I think is really quite an interesting wrinkle to this particular story that, you know, I think this is going to have to be redesigned and that kind of interaction with the FCC or any other governmental agency is going to be curtailed because of these quite likely few bad apples that have taken advantage of this system that allowed comments to be so easily manipulated.
[58:24.100 --> 58:31.340] [SPEAKER_05]: And of course, it's academic anyway, since the FCC later announced that they really don't have to pay attention to comments that come in when they make their decisions.
[58:31.560 --> 58:32.040] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, of course.
[58:32.120 --> 58:33.780] [SPEAKER_06]: Or hold public hearings on this.
[58:33.800 --> 58:34.580] [SPEAKER_05]: Why bother?
[58:34.880 --> 58:38.160] [SPEAKER_05]: Why in representative government do we want the people to have any kind of voice?
[58:38.300 --> 58:44.720] [SPEAKER_05]: The story about this on theregister.co.uk just ends, American democracy, American democracy, ain't it great?
[58:45.880 --> 58:46.460] [SPEAKER_05]: I know.
[58:46.560 --> 58:47.480] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, there you have it.
[58:48.100 --> 58:48.520] [SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely.
[58:48.760 --> 58:53.080] [SPEAKER_05]: And on that note, we're just about out of time on this edition of Off The Hook.
[58:53.080 --> 58:57.260] [SPEAKER_05]: Send us your emails, oth@2600.com.
[58:57.640 --> 59:00.060] [SPEAKER_05]: Tweet at us at HackerRadioShow.
[59:00.360 --> 59:01.460] [SPEAKER_05]: And keep in touch.
[59:01.480 --> 59:07.020] [SPEAKER_05]: Let us know what's going on out there, what piques your interest, what projects you're working on in the hacker and tech worlds.
[59:07.420 --> 59:11.660] [SPEAKER_05]: And yeah, we would love to hear about them.
[59:12.120 --> 59:22.260] [SPEAKER_05]: So for Off The Hook, for Emmanuel and Kyle, for everything that's going on in the world, this is Rob T.
[59:22.360 --> 59:23.260] [SPEAKER_05]: Firefly saying goodnight.
[59:23.580 --> 59:24.180] [SPEAKER_05]: Goodnight.
[59:25.380 --> 59:27.880] [SPEAKER_09]: You gotta keep them separated.
[59:28.560 --> 59:29.600] You
[59:32.610 --> 59:34.030] [SPEAKER_09]: gotta keep them separated.
[59:41.390 --> 59:42.430] You
[59:50.060 --> 59:52.260] [SPEAKER_09]: gotta keep them separated.
[59:52.780 --> 59:54.640] Like the latest fashion.
[59:55.800 --> 59:57.380] [SPEAKER_10]: Like the brain disease.
[59:58.620 --> 01:00:01.500] [SPEAKER_10]: The game's strapped it all the way to the classroom.
[01:00:01.980 --> 01:00:03.120] [SPEAKER_09]: Getting whippies out.
[01:00:03.240 --> 01:00:04.340] [SPEAKER_09]: You gotta keep them separated.
[01:00:04.620 --> 01:00:05.360] The game's
[01:00:14.750 --> 01:00:15.230] strapped it up.
[01:00:15.290 --> 01:00:16.570] [SPEAKER_09]: You gotta keep them separated.
[01:00:17.030 --> 01:00:17.430] Hey!
[01:00:20.460 --> 01:00:21.120] [SPEAKER_10]: Take them out.
[01:00:21.270 --> 01:00:22.620] [SPEAKER_10]: You gotta keep them separated.
[01:00:23.080 --> 01:00:23.460] [SPEAKER_10]: Hey!
[01:00:23.940 --> 01:00:25.750] [SPEAKER_10]: They're making disrespect for me.
[01:00:26.290 --> 01:00:27.230] [SPEAKER_10]: Take them out.
[01:00:27.340 --> 01:00:28.770] [SPEAKER_10]: You gotta keep them separated.
[01:00:29.380 --> 01:00:29.560] [SPEAKER_10]: Hey!
[01:00:30.380 --> 01:00:31.360] One bit on
[01:00:39.280 --> 01:00:39.740] the other.
[01:00:39.940 --> 01:00:41.000] [SPEAKER_09]: You gotta keep them separated.
[01:00:41.650 --> 01:00:41.730] You
[01:00:50.780 --> 01:00:53.020] [SPEAKER_10]: gotta keep them separated.
[01:00:53.020 --> 01:00:57.960] [SPEAKER_10]: By the time you hear the siren, it's already sunny.
[01:00:57.960 --> 01:00:59.120] [SPEAKER_09]: You gotta keep them separated.
[01:00:59.460 --> 01:01:02.040] [SPEAKER_10]: Almost in the morning, the other in jail.
[01:01:02.340 --> 01:01:05.040] [SPEAKER_10]: One guy's wasting it, the other's a waste.
[01:01:05.320 --> 01:01:08.020] [SPEAKER_10]: It comes out of sight, I'm about to be more.
[01:01:08.340 --> 01:01:09.680] [SPEAKER_10]: No one cares what it is.
[01:01:09.720 --> 01:01:11.160] [SPEAKER_09]: You gotta keep them separated.
[01:01:11.460 --> 01:01:12.280] Yeah, what is
[01:01:16.820 --> 01:01:17.580] it, by the name?
[01:01:17.780 --> 01:01:18.160] [SPEAKER_10]: Hey!
[01:01:18.820 --> 01:01:20.380] [SPEAKER_10]: Then you're talking back to me.
[01:01:21.040 --> 01:01:21.840] [SPEAKER_10]: Drinkin' love.
[01:01:22.000 --> 01:01:23.360] [SPEAKER_10]: You gotta keep them separated.
[01:01:23.840 --> 01:01:24.240] [SPEAKER_10]: Hey!
[01:01:24.820 --> 01:01:26.420] [SPEAKER_10]: Now you're talking back to me.
[01:01:26.420 --> 01:01:27.860] [SPEAKER_10]: Drinkin' love.
[01:01:28.040 --> 01:01:29.440] [SPEAKER_10]: You gotta keep them separated.
[01:01:30.080 --> 01:01:30.280] [SPEAKER_10]: Hey!
[01:01:31.180 --> 01:01:32.020] [SPEAKER_10]: Hey, nobody.
[01:01:32.740 --> 01:01:34.480] [SPEAKER_10]: You're under 18, you won't.
[01:01:39.940 --> 01:01:41.660] [SPEAKER_09]: You gotta keep them separated.