Off The Hook - 2018-09-26

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[00:34.580 --> 00:35.440]  [SPEAKER_01]: So it is.
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[00:37.800 --> 00:39.740]  [SPEAKER_01]: The time is just about 8 o'clock.
[00:39.860 --> 00:45.260]  [SPEAKER_01]: And that means it's time once again for another exciting edition of Off The Hook.
[02:33.800 --> 02:35.640]  [SPEAKER_01]: And a very good evening to everybody.
[02:35.760 --> 02:37.140]  [SPEAKER_01]: The program is Off The Hook.
[02:37.180 --> 02:38.120]  [SPEAKER_01]: Emmanuel Goldstein here with you.
[02:38.200 --> 02:39.620]  [SPEAKER_01]: Joined tonight by Rob T.
[02:39.860 --> 02:40.340]  [SPEAKER_01]: Firefly.
[02:40.660 --> 02:41.240]  [SPEAKER_01]: Good evening.
[02:41.420 --> 02:41.660]  [SPEAKER_01]: Kyle.
[02:42.220 --> 02:42.700]  [SPEAKER_01]: Hello.
[02:43.080 --> 02:43.800]  [SPEAKER_01]: And Alex.
[02:44.120 --> 02:44.540]  [SPEAKER_01]: Good evening.
[02:45.260 --> 02:46.620]  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, here we all are.
[02:48.300 --> 02:55.540]  [SPEAKER_01]: Trump gave a 90-minute press conference earlier today, so needless to say, we got no work done, because we're riveted to that.
[02:55.760 --> 02:56.340]  [SPEAKER_01]: But, wow.
[02:57.160 --> 03:04.740]  [SPEAKER_01]: You'll be hearing, I think, all kinds of excerpts, including, of course, Mr. Kurd, which is what he wound up calling a Kurdish reporter.
[03:05.640 --> 03:07.940]  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's so much to digest with just not enough time.
[03:08.020 --> 03:12.800]  [SPEAKER_01]: I think he times these things so that we don't have enough time to digest it and talk about it intelligently.
[03:14.540 --> 03:21.500]  [SPEAKER_01]: But we have other things to talk about, lots of other things in the world of technology, in the world of hacking, in the world of fun and new things.
[03:22.080 --> 03:32.900]  [SPEAKER_01]: Speaking of which, at the very beginning of the show, we should focus, I think, on what happened over the weekend, which was Maker Faire that we all were at at some point, right?
[03:33.200 --> 03:33.760]  [SPEAKER_06]: We were indeed.
[03:34.020 --> 03:34.520]  [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, sir.
[03:35.360 --> 03:35.720]  [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
[03:36.060 --> 03:36.360]  [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[03:36.520 --> 03:36.900]  [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[03:37.080 --> 03:37.800]  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's good.
[03:37.920 --> 03:41.020]  [SPEAKER_01]: And hopefully a lot of listeners, I know a lot of listeners were there because we met you.
[03:41.800 --> 03:44.540]  [SPEAKER_01]: And I want to thank you for coming and for being a part of it.
[03:44.640 --> 03:46.360]  [SPEAKER_01]: But what magic that is.
[03:46.700 --> 03:48.480]  [SPEAKER_01]: Now, Alex, you came with your son.
[03:48.640 --> 03:49.260]  [SPEAKER_07]: I did.
[03:49.400 --> 03:50.280]  [SPEAKER_07]: Was it his first time?
[03:50.400 --> 03:50.940]  [SPEAKER_07]: It was indeed.
[03:51.060 --> 03:52.960]  [SPEAKER_07]: We tried to go last year, if you recall.
[03:53.180 --> 03:54.720]  [SPEAKER_01]: And you tried to find parking in Corona.
[03:54.900 --> 03:55.160]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yes.
[03:55.160 --> 03:59.040]  [SPEAKER_07]: We made the very big mistake of trying to find parking in Corona during Maker Faire.
[03:59.040 --> 04:08.080]  [SPEAKER_07]: And it seems like everybody there has some kind of minor driveway that decreases the available parking spots.
[04:08.420 --> 04:08.620]  [SPEAKER_01]: It's their driveway.
[04:08.740 --> 04:09.720]  [SPEAKER_01]: They're very proud of their driveways.
[04:09.780 --> 04:11.200]  [SPEAKER_01]: You do not part in front of their driveways.
[04:11.380 --> 04:11.880]  [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know.
[04:12.580 --> 04:13.800]  [SPEAKER_07]: It drove me mad.
[04:13.920 --> 04:14.960]  [SPEAKER_07]: It drove me mad last year.
[04:15.040 --> 04:15.960]  [SPEAKER_07]: So we didn't make that mistake.
[04:15.960 --> 04:17.280]  [SPEAKER_07]: This year, we took the subway.
[04:18.300 --> 04:21.400]  [SPEAKER_01]: And then the walk, the long walk.
[04:21.400 --> 04:22.400]  [SPEAKER_01]: Let me just tell you about the subway.
[04:22.440 --> 04:23.520]  [SPEAKER_01]: We didn't know about this last week.
[04:23.520 --> 04:25.180]  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm sorry to anybody who went through this.
[04:25.180 --> 04:29.980]  [SPEAKER_01]: They closed the station that was going to Maker Faire as you're coming from the city.
[04:30.420 --> 04:37.420]  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's kind of cool because when you bypass it, you go way up high above the station on that track that they use for the express trains.
[04:37.720 --> 04:38.800]  [SPEAKER_01]: I'd never done that before.
[04:38.900 --> 04:41.960]  [SPEAKER_01]: But then you had to go to Metz-Willis Point and come back one stop.
[04:42.540 --> 04:44.700]  [SPEAKER_01]: It was pretty simple if you knew what was going on.
[04:44.760 --> 04:46.280]  [SPEAKER_01]: The first day, we didn't know what was going on.
[04:46.400 --> 04:48.380]  [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, sorry about that.
[04:48.380 --> 04:50.660]  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think the MTA told Maker Faire about that.
[04:50.980 --> 04:51.380]  [SPEAKER_01]: No.
[04:51.520 --> 04:54.740]  [SPEAKER_07]: And we almost went accidentally to a Paul Simon concert.
[04:54.740 --> 04:56.700]  [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, don't let that happen.
[04:56.860 --> 04:58.080]  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, a few years ago, maybe.
[04:58.240 --> 04:59.660]  [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't think it's...
[04:59.660 --> 04:59.800]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[05:00.000 --> 05:03.660]  [SPEAKER_08]: In their defense, I think this is the MTA's way of saying that they make stuff too.
[05:05.120 --> 05:06.340]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yes, that's a good point.
[05:06.980 --> 05:08.180]  [SPEAKER_07]: Not always the best things.
[05:08.360 --> 05:11.340]  [SPEAKER_07]: There were much better devices, I think, at Maker Faire.
[05:11.400 --> 05:14.080]  [SPEAKER_01]: And there's much worse things that could happen than accidentally going to a Paul Simon concert.
[05:14.160 --> 05:14.980]  [SPEAKER_01]: Don't get me wrong there.
[05:15.200 --> 05:15.540]  [SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
[05:15.640 --> 05:17.280]  [SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, it's...
[05:17.280 --> 05:19.400]  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you could have gone to the Kanye West concert last year.
[05:19.440 --> 05:20.720]  [SPEAKER_01]: They were having the exact same time.
[05:20.780 --> 05:21.480]  [SPEAKER_01]: That would have been confusing.
[05:21.700 --> 05:22.200]  [SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
[05:22.560 --> 05:23.200]  [SPEAKER_01]: But you're right.
[05:23.300 --> 05:23.820]  [SPEAKER_01]: But you made it.
[05:24.740 --> 05:26.300]  [SPEAKER_07]: It was my son's first Maker Faire.
[05:26.420 --> 05:31.240]  [SPEAKER_07]: And if you recall correctly, as soon as he saw you, he just wanted to leave.
[05:31.340 --> 05:31.780]  [SPEAKER_07]: He ran the other way.
[05:31.820 --> 05:32.160]  [SPEAKER_07]: He did.
[05:32.700 --> 05:34.780]  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a normal reaction most kids have.
[05:34.780 --> 05:36.500]  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's actually a good test of their instincts.
[05:36.840 --> 05:37.480]  [SPEAKER_07]: This is true.
[05:37.560 --> 05:41.720]  [SPEAKER_07]: But it really had nothing to do with your charisma or your natural sense of affability.
[05:41.720 --> 05:54.220]  [SPEAKER_07]: It was more to do with the fact that he was so incredibly overwhelmed by everything happening around him by this gigantic hand picking up cars and crushing them in front of his face.
[05:54.400 --> 05:55.800]  [SPEAKER_07]: It was very, very cool.
[05:55.920 --> 05:56.900]  [SPEAKER_07]: There were all kinds of robots.
[05:57.120 --> 05:59.760]  [SPEAKER_01]: The tow truck people were taking no prisoners.
[05:59.920 --> 06:00.720]  [SPEAKER_01]: They were very strict.
[06:00.720 --> 06:02.940]  [SPEAKER_01]: If you parked in the wrong place, your car got crushed.
[06:03.140 --> 06:04.100]  [SPEAKER_01]: That's how it works.
[06:04.160 --> 06:04.880]  [SPEAKER_01]: That's how it should work.
[06:05.180 --> 06:05.440]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[06:06.140 --> 06:14.300]  [SPEAKER_07]: He's still talking to this day and telling all of his friends about how cool it was that he met R2-D2 at Maker Faire.
[06:15.040 --> 06:20.520]  [SPEAKER_07]: And then he told me on the way out that, Daddy, this was the most amazing thing ever.
[06:20.880 --> 06:22.240]  [SPEAKER_07]: I met R2-D2.
[06:22.440 --> 06:24.560]  [SPEAKER_07]: Did you know that he's a real hero?
[06:25.320 --> 06:26.720]  [SPEAKER_07]: And I said, yes, I did.
[06:26.820 --> 06:28.760]  [SPEAKER_07]: And I said, I never met R2-D2 before.
[06:28.940 --> 06:30.500]  [SPEAKER_07]: It really, really was very cool.
[06:30.640 --> 06:33.180]  [SPEAKER_07]: So it was an awesome time.
[06:33.380 --> 06:46.960]  [SPEAKER_07]: And then after he met R2-D2 and saw the races, the car races, there's like kind of makeshift go-karts that people were making, walked around the whole thing about seven times, he finally was calm enough to sit and hang out at the 2600 van with us for a while.
[06:47.080 --> 06:49.780]  [SPEAKER_01]: And so many people were coming up to the van.
[06:50.080 --> 06:56.800]  [SPEAKER_01]: And, Kyle, I have to say, the phone booth, the 1950s phone booth, what a hit that was, especially with kids.
[06:57.320 --> 06:58.640]  [SPEAKER_01]: What do you attribute that to?
[06:59.300 --> 07:00.880]  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, it's fascinating.
[07:00.880 --> 07:04.520]  [SPEAKER_08]: It's a sort of a closed space.
[07:04.520 --> 07:05.640]  [SPEAKER_08]: And it's wood.
[07:05.860 --> 07:09.920]  [SPEAKER_08]: It's got this sort of warm, I don't know, warm feel.
[07:09.920 --> 07:16.460]  [SPEAKER_08]: And you're kind of stepping into the past almost, this rotary dial phone, mysterious device.
[07:16.780 --> 07:23.000]  [SPEAKER_08]: And, well, we basically leave it open and encourage people to check it out.
[07:23.100 --> 07:31.020]  [SPEAKER_08]: And the way we set it up was so that people could have like a two-way sort of private intercom.
[07:31.020 --> 07:42.700]  [SPEAKER_08]: Basically, one person, maybe somebody's parent, picks up a phone and then their student goes and picks up the other and basically is able to say hi.
[07:42.880 --> 07:46.020]  [SPEAKER_08]: And, you know, they can basically have this kind of private conversation.
[07:46.040 --> 07:48.340]  [SPEAKER_08]: And all we did is just add a battery.
[07:48.580 --> 07:54.140]  [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, it's a very simple technology, some microphones and some speakers and a battery.
[07:54.140 --> 08:00.520]  [SPEAKER_08]: So, that gives us the ability to, instead of say, hey, look at our old phone booth that's not working.
[08:00.520 --> 08:02.060]  [SPEAKER_08]: It's like, yeah, it kind of works.
[08:02.060 --> 08:04.220]  [SPEAKER_08]: And, hey, you can go talk on it.
[08:04.320 --> 08:05.360]  [SPEAKER_08]: So, what do you want?
[08:05.500 --> 08:26.220]  [SPEAKER_08]: So, and that ends up being really entertaining because so many of, I think, the young people, their concept of speaking on the phone or using communications technology is based on sort of tablets, touchscreens and different chat and, I guess, emojis too now.
[08:26.340 --> 08:26.780]  [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know.
[08:27.060 --> 08:29.400]  [SPEAKER_08]: But this is a totally different way.
[08:29.640 --> 08:33.980]  [SPEAKER_08]: And I think parents too, they get kind of a kick out of it.
[08:34.080 --> 08:38.240]  [SPEAKER_08]: But also, they're sort of like over it because they've been using them their whole lives.
[08:38.380 --> 08:41.800]  [SPEAKER_08]: So, just the whole range of reactions is the best.
[08:41.800 --> 08:49.220]  [SPEAKER_08]: And it makes our table and the project there that much more exciting.
[08:49.260 --> 08:57.360]  [SPEAKER_08]: And it's been just basically something we were motivated to do from going to Maker Faire and getting ideas and putting it all together into something.
[08:57.540 --> 09:02.360]  [SPEAKER_06]: And, you know, it's one of my favorite things to do to ask the kids who came up to the table, show them.
[09:02.480 --> 09:07.300]  [SPEAKER_06]: We had a number of rotary phones, including the phone booth, but also a couple of desktop phones.
[09:07.300 --> 09:11.000]  [SPEAKER_06]: And we would ask the kids who come up, you know, can you dial us a number on this?
[09:11.720 --> 09:19.040]  [SPEAKER_06]: And watching the ones who had seen it in films or whatever, they can do it, but they've never touched one in real life and had that kind of awe about it.
[09:19.160 --> 09:25.000]  [SPEAKER_06]: And other ones who had never, like, even seen it or seen how it works or anything like that.
[09:25.060 --> 09:27.980]  [SPEAKER_06]: And so, they're just trying to figure it out and poking and prodding at it.
[09:28.260 --> 09:35.620]  [SPEAKER_06]: And then that experience of actually being able to go into a phone booth, close the door, pick up the phone, and talk to somebody, I think, added so much.
[09:37.440 --> 09:39.540]  [SPEAKER_06]: And, you know, it's a taste of the past, really.
[09:39.540 --> 09:42.580]  [SPEAKER_06]: And it's a little taste of how things used to be and how things used to work.
[09:42.680 --> 09:43.740]  [SPEAKER_06]: And it's fun for the parents.
[09:43.760 --> 09:44.540]  [SPEAKER_06]: It's fun for the kids.
[09:45.000 --> 09:46.300]  [SPEAKER_06]: It was fun for us.
[09:46.360 --> 09:51.840]  [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I think it's safe to say we all had a great time just operating all this and letting this happen.
[09:51.840 --> 09:59.340]  [SPEAKER_06]: And I think it was even fun for the Lilo and Stitch lunchbox that housed the battery for the phone system there.
[09:59.340 --> 10:04.400]  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it just amazed me how into it the kids were.
[10:05.300 --> 10:14.900]  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you would think something as old as a phone booth, let alone a phone booth with a rotary phone inside it, would be something that wouldn't appeal to them.
[10:15.660 --> 10:18.500]  [SPEAKER_01]: Instead, it seemed to be one of the highlights for them.
[10:18.680 --> 10:25.540]  [SPEAKER_01]: I saw one kid ran across almost the entire parking lot, a beeline right into the phone booth.
[10:25.540 --> 10:29.240]  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure what game he was playing, but he knew exactly where he was going.
[10:29.400 --> 10:32.380]  [SPEAKER_08]: I think he was playing the time.
[10:32.560 --> 10:35.840]  [SPEAKER_08]: He was like speed making, basically, because it was time to go.
[10:35.960 --> 10:41.480]  [SPEAKER_08]: And he was trying to get everything before he really had to be pulled out the door by mom and dad.
[10:41.620 --> 10:44.380]  [SPEAKER_08]: But yeah, I mean, the questions, too, the curiosity.
[10:44.380 --> 10:45.280]  [SPEAKER_08]: They see this.
[10:45.400 --> 11:07.700]  [SPEAKER_08]: They want to know, OK, whether it's how it was used then or how we're reinterpreting it or using it now or, you know, why have it set up this way and how we're able to repurpose something that's sort of an older, outmoded technology, they just are full of questions and curiosity and are able to have that conversation with us and in their families and friend groups.
[11:07.720 --> 11:13.220]  [SPEAKER_08]: And it's really a really cool chance to talk about telephones and communicating.
[11:13.220 --> 11:26.280]  [SPEAKER_01]: And what was so cool was this scene repeated itself over and over again, where you basically show them, as Rob said, either a phone that was on the desk or the payphone itself.
[11:26.400 --> 11:31.900]  [SPEAKER_01]: And then you tell them that you can talk to this princess phone that's on the desk from the payphone.
[11:32.000 --> 11:33.360]  [SPEAKER_01]: All you have to do is pick it up and talk.
[11:33.680 --> 11:40.340]  [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, these are kids coming with their parents who they've, you know, known for some time and they were just with them.
[11:40.900 --> 11:50.640]  [SPEAKER_01]: And yet the thrill that they go through by hearing their voice on the phone from inside the phone booth, it's something that surprises me.
[11:50.760 --> 11:57.820]  [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I'm a sucker for old technology and, you know, being captivated by the simple things.
[11:57.960 --> 12:00.920]  [SPEAKER_01]: But to see this, to see that their eyes light up at the...
[12:00.920 --> 12:08.320]  [SPEAKER_01]: I, to this day, I really don't understand why, why it's so incredibly alluring to them.
[12:08.500 --> 12:12.980]  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm trying to figure out what it is about the technology, that particular technology.
[12:13.000 --> 12:15.880]  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's got something to do with the fact that it's more accessible.
[12:16.180 --> 12:18.820]  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you actually see the phone working.
[12:18.920 --> 12:19.660]  [SPEAKER_01]: You can take it apart.
[12:19.820 --> 12:26.620]  [SPEAKER_01]: You can understand the electronics behind it, as opposed to a cell phone, which, you know, if you drop it, it's broken and nobody can fix it.
[12:26.980 --> 12:27.300]  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[12:27.420 --> 12:29.860]  [SPEAKER_06]: And it's the access to actually do something with it.
[12:29.860 --> 12:32.840]  [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, we had a candlestick phone on the desk from 1907.
[12:32.900 --> 12:34.780]  [SPEAKER_06]: So it's like, here's this real thing.
[12:34.900 --> 12:36.680]  [SPEAKER_06]: It's actually 111 years old.
[12:36.820 --> 12:41.800]  [SPEAKER_06]: But yeah, you can pick it up and try it out and see if you can figure out how people used to use it.
[12:41.940 --> 12:43.680]  [SPEAKER_06]: And the Dynamo still worked.
[12:43.780 --> 12:44.900]  [SPEAKER_06]: You could crank it and ring the bell.
[12:45.060 --> 12:47.880]  [SPEAKER_06]: And it was great for the kids.
[12:47.900 --> 12:53.180]  [SPEAKER_06]: I think it was also really great for a lot of the adults who, again, a taste of the past.
[12:53.320 --> 12:54.440]  [SPEAKER_06]: They remembered having these things.
[12:54.580 --> 12:59.300]  [SPEAKER_06]: We had one of the big Western electric hall phones that everyone had of a certain age at some point.
[13:00.600 --> 13:04.740]  [SPEAKER_06]: And, you know, we had people come up and see the van and go, oh, I used to work for the phone company.
[13:04.860 --> 13:06.280]  [SPEAKER_06]: And, you know, I would shake their hand.
[13:06.300 --> 13:07.460]  [SPEAKER_06]: I used to work against the phone company.
[13:07.520 --> 13:08.020]  [SPEAKER_06]: Great to meet you.
[13:09.360 --> 13:12.080]  [SPEAKER_06]: But I think for all involved, it was just such a...
[13:12.080 --> 13:15.000]  [SPEAKER_06]: There's just something magical about being able to pick this stuff up and use it again.
[13:15.000 --> 13:17.180]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, they want to know, how did you get that?
[13:17.260 --> 13:18.960]  [SPEAKER_08]: Or, you know, why is that here?
[13:19.000 --> 13:20.380]  [SPEAKER_08]: What are you doing with this?
[13:20.500 --> 13:22.220]  [SPEAKER_08]: And the candlestick...
[13:22.220 --> 13:22.840]  [SPEAKER_08]: I have a funny story.
[13:23.060 --> 13:24.440]  [SPEAKER_08]: An older gentleman came over and...
[13:24.440 --> 13:26.000]  [SPEAKER_01]: So people know a candlestick phone.
[13:26.100 --> 13:28.300]  [SPEAKER_01]: It's the kind that they used in the 1920s, right?
[13:28.420 --> 13:29.680]  [SPEAKER_01]: The operator getting in their place.
[13:30.060 --> 13:34.140]  [SPEAKER_08]: For like a party line, if you ever watch old, like, Lassie episodes or...
[13:34.140 --> 13:35.780]  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, yeah, just basically it doesn't have a dial.
[13:35.860 --> 13:36.460]  [SPEAKER_01]: You pick it up.
[13:36.500 --> 13:38.800]  [SPEAKER_01]: You hold the one piece to your ear.
[13:39.140 --> 13:40.300]  [SPEAKER_01]: And you speak into the mouthpiece.
[13:40.300 --> 13:42.600]  [SPEAKER_01]: And the operator gets on and dials the number four.
[13:42.620 --> 13:43.580]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, you spin a crank.
[13:43.740 --> 13:45.900]  [SPEAKER_08]: And that's how you switch the call.
[13:45.920 --> 13:47.520]  [SPEAKER_01]: And our crank wasn't working all that well.
[13:47.680 --> 13:49.940]  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, we had to adjust some of the parts.
[13:49.940 --> 13:52.300]  [SPEAKER_08]: And this older guy, he was pointing at different things.
[13:52.320 --> 13:54.640]  [SPEAKER_08]: And I started kind of paying attention to what he was saying.
[13:54.640 --> 13:56.040]  [SPEAKER_08]: And we were able to get it to ring.
[13:56.200 --> 13:56.760]  [SPEAKER_08]: So that was cool.
[13:56.960 --> 13:59.700]  [SPEAKER_08]: He sensed that it was already producing voltage.
[13:59.700 --> 14:03.100]  [SPEAKER_08]: And we just sort of adjusted the actual ringers.
[14:03.280 --> 14:05.160]  [SPEAKER_01]: He just walked right up to it and started fiddling with it.
[14:05.280 --> 14:06.480]  [SPEAKER_01]: Because that's what you do at Maker Faire.
[14:06.660 --> 14:07.940]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, and that's just it.
[14:07.940 --> 14:09.600]  [SPEAKER_08]: It's the tactile nature of them.
[14:09.600 --> 14:10.780]  [SPEAKER_08]: They're very ergonomic.
[14:10.920 --> 14:12.740]  [SPEAKER_08]: And I think the other thing is it's very intimate.
[14:13.020 --> 14:15.560]  [SPEAKER_08]: I think that's why people really get a lot out of it.
[14:16.460 --> 14:18.240]  [SPEAKER_08]: And light up with that sensation.
[14:18.440 --> 14:19.660]  [SPEAKER_08]: Because you can hold it.
[14:19.760 --> 14:22.940]  [SPEAKER_08]: And it feels really solid.
[14:22.960 --> 14:26.440]  [SPEAKER_08]: And it's the intimacy of that communication.
[14:26.540 --> 14:29.760]  [SPEAKER_08]: Just having someone speaking right so closely to you.
[14:29.900 --> 14:33.220]  [SPEAKER_08]: And it's kind of a beautiful thing to see.
[14:33.240 --> 14:35.100]  [SPEAKER_08]: And to be able to make happen for people.
[14:35.360 --> 14:38.460]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I think the tactile nature of it is absolutely right.
[14:38.460 --> 14:45.440]  [SPEAKER_07]: And another thing I think we're missing too is just phone booths in general are in such short supply these days.
[14:45.540 --> 14:48.980]  [SPEAKER_07]: They've all been ripped out of every place in the city.
[14:48.980 --> 14:50.700]  [SPEAKER_07]: They're almost impossible to find.
[14:50.860 --> 14:53.280]  [SPEAKER_07]: But there are no phone booths in the city.
[14:53.440 --> 14:53.620]  [SPEAKER_07]: Right.
[14:53.760 --> 14:59.580]  [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, maybe in some kind of antiquated hotels or the older clubs and things still have these little phone booths.
[14:59.580 --> 15:01.920]  [SPEAKER_07]: But they don't have actual payphones in them.
[15:02.040 --> 15:12.140]  [SPEAKER_07]: And so being able to go into this booth and you have this sense of privacy around you when you're into that booth and you're talking and you see it working in front of your eyes.
[15:12.140 --> 15:19.160]  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, it is kind of inspiring because it reminds you of why you got into phones.
[15:19.160 --> 15:21.260]  [SPEAKER_07]: Because there's something magical about the phone.
[15:21.420 --> 15:28.380]  [SPEAKER_07]: There's something magical about the way it works and the way that information is transferred through a wire from one person's mouth to another person's ear.
[15:28.380 --> 15:41.500]  [SPEAKER_07]: And, you know, it's probably what really inspired all of us way back in the day to become phone phreaks because the phone system itself was this incredibly magical computer system that we wanted to figure out how it works.
[15:41.520 --> 15:45.180]  [SPEAKER_07]: And I think children have that same attitude towards the world.
[15:45.440 --> 15:51.400]  [SPEAKER_07]: All children are, in a sense, scientists and they are, in a sense, hackers because they maintain that attitude.
[15:51.620 --> 15:58.020]  [SPEAKER_07]: And hackers, I think, throughout their lives maintain this childlike attitude of curiosity towards all things.
[15:58.880 --> 16:05.220]  [SPEAKER_07]: And it's just, I think, a matter of maintaining that sense of curiosity that is really important.
[16:05.220 --> 16:08.620]  [SPEAKER_07]: And that's what Maker Faire does for all of us once a year.
[16:08.620 --> 16:09.760]  [SPEAKER_07]: I'm going back all the time.
[16:10.100 --> 16:13.480]  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's not just limited to here in New York.
[16:13.660 --> 16:15.220]  [SPEAKER_01]: There are Maker Faires all over the world.
[16:15.400 --> 16:20.820]  [SPEAKER_01]: Actually, Kyle, we were talking about finally making it to the UK Maker Faire since we have lots of friends over there.
[16:21.300 --> 16:25.420]  [SPEAKER_01]: And we found out that this year was apparently the last one they had.
[16:26.040 --> 16:29.420]  [SPEAKER_01]: It was in Newcastle upon Tyne, I believe is how you say that.
[16:29.900 --> 16:32.300]  [SPEAKER_01]: And for some reason, it's not going to be there.
[16:32.420 --> 16:34.080]  [SPEAKER_01]: And they don't have another place yet.
[16:34.220 --> 16:39.100]  [SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully, they find something because I think the UK really deserves Maker Faire, Brexit or not.
[16:39.740 --> 16:41.680]  [SPEAKER_01]: There are other ones, though, in other parts of the world.
[16:41.800 --> 16:42.860]  [SPEAKER_01]: Like Rome is a big one.
[16:42.940 --> 16:44.180]  [SPEAKER_01]: That's coming up really soon, actually.
[16:44.360 --> 16:45.660]  [SPEAKER_01]: And there's one in Berlin.
[16:45.660 --> 16:47.100]  [SPEAKER_01]: And, of course, there's the Bay Area.
[16:47.420 --> 16:49.520]  [SPEAKER_01]: And there are many Maker Faires all over the place as well.
[16:49.520 --> 16:59.000]  [SPEAKER_01]: So if you happen to see this, and you can go to MakerFaire.com, M-A-K-E-R-F-A-I-R-E.com, you can learn about Maker Faires in your area.
[16:59.200 --> 17:00.280]  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe start one of your own.
[17:00.400 --> 17:03.740]  [SPEAKER_01]: Just be a part of the magic because they really get the hacker spirit.
[17:03.900 --> 17:07.460]  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's something that deserves to be noted whenever it occurs.
[17:07.620 --> 17:19.960]  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's just an incredible thing to see, especially when you see young people who are into this in a healthy way, into technology, building things, breaking things, fixing things, and just asking a whole lot of questions.
[17:20.180 --> 17:33.180]  [SPEAKER_01]: I just, you know, to me, it's just the most amazing thing that we started the magazine back in the 80s when the phone company was this mighty monolithic entity that we couldn't even get our minds around.
[17:33.680 --> 17:48.180]  [SPEAKER_01]: And now here we are with the last remaining phone company van from New York Telephone and a payphone and the old-fashioned way of using the network.
[17:48.500 --> 17:56.400]  [SPEAKER_01]: And we're the only ones holding on to that, it seems, other than some, you know, old linesmen and people who used to work for the phone company.
[17:56.700 --> 18:04.180]  [SPEAKER_01]: But it's weird that the hackers are the ones that are most interested in preserving the system, not the companies that actually ran it.
[18:04.240 --> 18:07.880]  [SPEAKER_01]: And I guess that's not that surprising when you think about the motivations behind each.
[18:08.780 --> 18:19.520]  [SPEAKER_01]: But like you said, Alex, it's kind of a childish way, in a good way, a childish way of being curious and just wanting to play with things.
[18:19.660 --> 18:23.160]  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's what phone phreaking, that's what hacking has always been about.
[18:23.380 --> 18:25.460]  [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm glad we're able to hold on to it.
[18:25.540 --> 18:30.460]  [SPEAKER_01]: If the companies themselves don't appreciate what they had, at least we do.
[18:30.460 --> 18:33.620]  [SPEAKER_01]: And at least the kids of today are learning through our eyes.
[18:33.720 --> 18:34.780]  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's really awesome.
[18:35.240 --> 18:35.860]  [SPEAKER_01]: Hear, hear.
[18:36.280 --> 18:37.660]  [SPEAKER_08]: And learning so much.
[18:37.660 --> 18:43.140]  [SPEAKER_08]: There was just a buzz, a fervor of activity all weekend.
[18:43.540 --> 18:46.540]  [SPEAKER_08]: And so many different interesting people came up to us.
[18:46.940 --> 18:48.840]  [SPEAKER_01]: And those kids from India were amazing.
[18:49.020 --> 18:49.840]  [SPEAKER_08]: The other exhibits, yeah.
[18:49.980 --> 18:55.580]  [SPEAKER_08]: The presenters, people who were from other countries visiting and presenting stuff.
[18:55.720 --> 18:56.740]  [SPEAKER_08]: It was just fantastic.
[18:56.740 --> 18:59.280]  [SPEAKER_08]: Really a positive, positive experience.
[18:59.620 --> 19:08.660]  [SPEAKER_08]: And a big thanks to everyone at Maker Faire from us and for making us feel right at home there as a part of the vending and exhibition.
[19:09.460 --> 19:11.240]  [SPEAKER_06]: And I've got to tip my hat to the venue as well.
[19:11.300 --> 19:12.140]  [SPEAKER_06]: The New York Hall of Science.
[19:12.140 --> 19:17.480]  [SPEAKER_06]: I think it's one of those kind of hidden gems that a lot of people don't really consider or still know about.
[19:17.540 --> 19:25.260]  [SPEAKER_06]: But if you're local to the city and you've got younger people in your life who might be interested, take them out there because it's a heck of a place.
[19:25.360 --> 19:26.720]  [SPEAKER_06]: There's lots of fun things to do and learn.
[19:27.000 --> 19:32.920]  [SPEAKER_06]: I went there when I was a kid and bringing the kids in my family there now there.
[19:33.120 --> 19:35.660]  [SPEAKER_06]: And it's just a heck of a place.
[19:35.760 --> 19:39.820]  [SPEAKER_06]: And there's so much to learn even when Maker Faire isn't going on in the fairgrounds.
[19:39.900 --> 19:45.320]  [SPEAKER_08]: Right, you get this feeling you're kind of carrying on the World's Fair sort of in the future.
[19:45.540 --> 19:48.580]  [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, I was at the World's Fair as a small child.
[19:48.580 --> 19:53.500]  [SPEAKER_01]: And I remember everybody around my age who grew up in New York remembers this.
[19:53.680 --> 20:03.780]  [SPEAKER_01]: The World's Fair, the picture phones where you were being shown this new form of technology that one day would be commonplace.
[20:03.780 --> 20:05.700]  [SPEAKER_01]: And we still don't really have good picture phones, but whatever.
[20:06.180 --> 20:10.180]  [SPEAKER_01]: I just remember picking up one of these phones and talking to a kid that I didn't know.
[20:10.560 --> 20:13.840]  [SPEAKER_01]: That was someplace around, probably just around the corner.
[20:14.180 --> 20:16.440]  [SPEAKER_01]: But it's the same basic thrill.
[20:16.780 --> 20:33.020]  [SPEAKER_01]: And only a few meters away from where we were at the Hall of Science, and just to think about that, to think back to the 60s when that took place, and to see that being mimicked in different ways here in 2018.
[20:33.880 --> 20:35.280]  [SPEAKER_01]: So, wow.
[20:35.520 --> 20:36.960]  [SPEAKER_01]: It's truly amazing.
[20:37.140 --> 20:42.100]  [SPEAKER_01]: And of course, you mentioned the atmosphere of the Hall of Science, also the atmosphere of the surrounding communities.
[20:42.200 --> 20:43.960]  [SPEAKER_01]: Corona, one of my favorite communities.
[20:44.280 --> 20:48.280]  [SPEAKER_01]: Lots of street food all the time being just cooked right there on the corner.
[20:49.160 --> 20:52.200]  [SPEAKER_01]: And not far from Jackson Heights and Flushing.
[20:52.720 --> 20:55.480]  [SPEAKER_01]: Great places to hang out and explore a little bit.
[20:55.540 --> 20:56.720]  [SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully a lot of people did that as well.
[20:57.580 --> 21:01.200]  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so we have other things going on.
[21:01.260 --> 21:03.860]  [SPEAKER_01]: In fact, we have a special event we're going to announce.
[21:03.860 --> 21:09.200]  [SPEAKER_01]: We've been kind of hinting at this over the past few hours to our fans on Twitter.
[21:10.260 --> 21:14.180]  [SPEAKER_01]: and we are going to be doing something unheard of, unprecedented.
[21:15.200 --> 21:16.440]  [SPEAKER_01]: First of its kind, ever.
[21:16.640 --> 21:17.080]  [SPEAKER_01]: Never before.
[21:17.220 --> 21:17.800]  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe never again.
[21:17.840 --> 21:18.280]  [SPEAKER_01]: Who knows?
[21:19.280 --> 21:20.080]  [SPEAKER_01]: Next week.
[21:20.360 --> 21:21.060]  [SPEAKER_01]: Next week.
[21:21.180 --> 21:22.260]  [SPEAKER_01]: October 3rd.
[21:23.480 --> 21:24.240]  [SPEAKER_01]: My God.
[21:24.460 --> 21:25.220]  [SPEAKER_01]: Next week is October.
[21:25.920 --> 21:26.400]  [SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[21:27.440 --> 21:27.920]  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[21:28.160 --> 21:28.540]  [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.
[21:28.740 --> 21:29.260]  [SPEAKER_01]: Miles away.
[21:29.660 --> 21:31.100]  [SPEAKER_01]: I just can't believe how fast.
[21:31.620 --> 21:32.100]  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[21:32.220 --> 21:32.600]  [SPEAKER_01]: Next week.
[21:32.720 --> 21:42.160]  [SPEAKER_01]: October 3rd is when the presidential alert feature on everybody's cell phone is going to be tested.
[21:42.540 --> 21:43.360]  [SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
[21:43.540 --> 21:50.260]  [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone in America with a cell phone will receive the same text message on the same day at the same time.
[21:50.760 --> 21:58.080]  [SPEAKER_01]: Now FEMA, our friends at FEMA, will be conducting a nationwide wireless emergency alert test.
[21:58.080 --> 21:59.680]  [SPEAKER_01]: W-E-A.
[22:00.080 --> 22:02.020]  [SPEAKER_01]: The scariest radio station in the world.
[22:02.020 --> 22:10.600]  [SPEAKER_01]: It will be taking place at 2.18pm and that will be followed by a nationwide emergency alert test on broadcast TV and radio.
[22:10.760 --> 22:13.000]  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's going to be a day of panic, I guess.
[22:13.680 --> 22:14.140]  [SPEAKER_01]: So, okay.
[22:14.400 --> 22:29.260]  [SPEAKER_01]: 2.18pm, everyone's phone is going to go off with an alert and that will be followed a couple of minutes later by, I guess, every TV and radio station, including this one, broadcasting a national emergency alert.
[22:29.940 --> 22:36.120]  [SPEAKER_01]: Now, God help us, if there actually is an emergency then because we're going to be testing everything.
[22:36.280 --> 22:37.040]  [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be...
[22:37.040 --> 22:40.120]  [SPEAKER_01]: People are probably going to be trying to ignore it.
[22:40.720 --> 22:48.040]  [SPEAKER_01]: According to FEMA, the test will assess the readiness to distribute an emergency message nationwide and determine whether improvements are needed.
[22:48.460 --> 22:54.080]  [SPEAKER_01]: The test on your phone will read presidential alert and will include the following text.
[22:54.360 --> 22:58.580]  [SPEAKER_01]: This is a test of the national wireless emergency alert system.
[22:58.840 --> 23:00.800]  [SPEAKER_01]: No action is needed.
[23:01.460 --> 23:04.140]  [SPEAKER_01]: And that test will last about one minute.
[23:04.260 --> 23:09.100]  [SPEAKER_01]: They say 100 mobile carriers will partake in the test.
[23:09.300 --> 23:11.640]  [SPEAKER_01]: I imagine flip phones probably won't work.
[23:11.780 --> 23:12.060]  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[23:12.160 --> 23:12.620]  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they will.
[23:13.720 --> 23:21.400]  [SPEAKER_01]: We have a special fact sheet from FEMA all about this.
[23:21.480 --> 23:25.180]  [SPEAKER_01]: The Integrated Public Alert and Warning System IPAWS.
[23:25.180 --> 23:26.340]  [SPEAKER_01]: They love their acronyms, don't they?
[23:26.820 --> 23:27.460]  [SPEAKER_01]: IPAWS.
[23:27.600 --> 23:31.660]  [SPEAKER_01]: Integrated Public Alert and Warning System National Test October 3rd, 2018.
[23:32.060 --> 23:34.720]  [SPEAKER_01]: National EAS and WEA test.
[23:34.900 --> 23:45.900]  [SPEAKER_01]: Now, Federal Emergency Management Agency in coordination with the Federal Communications Commission will conduct a nationwide test of the emergency alert system and wireless emergency alert system on October 3rd, 2018.
[23:46.620 --> 24:00.420]  [SPEAKER_01]: The test messages will be sent using FEMA's IPAWS, which enables authorities to send emergency messages to multiple communications networks, including the EAS and WEA, as part of the nation's modern alert and warning infrastructure.
[24:00.620 --> 24:04.300]  [SPEAKER_01]: So actually, what will be happening is probably the same alert.
[24:04.680 --> 24:13.600]  [SPEAKER_01]: The alert first goes to your phone and then goes to broadcast TV and radio, which I guess kind of puts you at a disadvantage if you don't have a phone and you only have a TV.
[24:13.780 --> 24:14.880]  [SPEAKER_01]: You have to wait a couple of minutes.
[24:15.800 --> 24:18.940]  [SPEAKER_01]: The WEA test message begins at 2.18 p.m.
[24:19.040 --> 24:21.940]  [SPEAKER_01]: The EAS message will be sent at 2.20 p.m.
[24:22.740 --> 24:23.880]  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's Eastern Time.
[24:24.340 --> 24:29.200]  [SPEAKER_01]: This will be the first nationwide presidential level WEA test.
[24:29.560 --> 24:32.140]  [SPEAKER_01]: And if you want to opt out of it, you're out of luck.
[24:32.140 --> 24:32.820]  [SPEAKER_01]: You can't.
[24:33.100 --> 24:34.000]  [SPEAKER_01]: This is mandatory.
[24:34.000 --> 24:35.580]  [SPEAKER_01]: You cannot opt out.
[24:38.890 --> 24:40.250]  [SPEAKER_01]: You can't opt out, Alex.
[24:40.310 --> 24:41.110]  [SPEAKER_01]: I know you want to.
[24:41.210 --> 24:41.490]  [SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't planning on it.
[24:41.490 --> 24:41.750]  [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[24:41.870 --> 24:43.930]  [SPEAKER_01]: We'll just, you know, get used to it.
[24:43.950 --> 24:44.410]  [SPEAKER_01]: It's happening.
[24:44.590 --> 24:45.670]  [SPEAKER_01]: I was sort of looking forward to it.
[24:45.710 --> 24:46.930]  [SPEAKER_01]: So what's the next best thing?
[24:47.130 --> 24:51.890]  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we decided it would be fun to make this an event.
[24:52.010 --> 24:59.970]  [SPEAKER_01]: And so what we're doing is we're going to be reserving the space downstairs at the Commons Cafe here in Brooklyn.
[25:00.650 --> 25:21.430]  [SPEAKER_01]: And what that means is at around 2 o'clock we are inviting 100 or so, maybe a couple hundred people, our closest friends, you included, to come by and gather in a room with your phones out, with the volume up, and we are going to capture this event in a way that nobody else will.
[25:22.070 --> 25:27.070]  [SPEAKER_01]: Imagine hundreds of phones going off at the same time with various emergency alert tones.
[25:27.470 --> 25:34.090]  [SPEAKER_01]: And the uniqueness of this kind of event is, you know, it cannot be overstated.
[25:34.210 --> 25:35.730]  [SPEAKER_01]: This is something that has never happened before.
[25:36.210 --> 25:47.350]  [SPEAKER_01]: Now, short of a real emergency, which you cannot predict, I don't think we'll have another opportunity to actually capture something like this where so many people are experiencing the same thing at the same time.
[25:47.410 --> 25:50.190]  [SPEAKER_01]: The whole country experiencing this all at once.
[25:51.050 --> 25:52.550]  [SPEAKER_01]: We want to do all kinds of experiments.
[25:52.830 --> 25:57.730]  [SPEAKER_01]: I want to have at least one phone turned off and then we turn it on again in a couple hours, see if that gets the tones.
[25:58.870 --> 26:01.630]  [SPEAKER_01]: But basically, just, you know, have some fun with this.
[26:01.810 --> 26:02.570]  [SPEAKER_01]: What about reception?
[26:02.870 --> 26:03.530]  [SPEAKER_01]: What about reception?
[26:03.590 --> 26:05.410]  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I hope we get cell phone service down there.
[26:05.550 --> 26:06.950]  [SPEAKER_08]: Has anyone looked into that?
[26:06.970 --> 26:07.950]  [SPEAKER_01]: That's a big deal.
[26:09.210 --> 26:11.070]  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, of course, we're in Brooklyn.
[26:11.390 --> 26:13.510]  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, people get cell phone service downstairs.
[26:14.470 --> 26:15.130]  [SPEAKER_01]: But you know what?
[26:15.130 --> 26:15.670]  [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to check.
[26:15.810 --> 26:16.630]  [SPEAKER_08]: I was looking earlier.
[26:16.630 --> 26:18.650]  [SPEAKER_08]: I think that's part of our planning.
[26:19.070 --> 26:24.450]  [SPEAKER_08]: But we may have people on the sidewalk versus people inside the building.
[26:24.590 --> 26:28.770]  [SPEAKER_08]: Maybe the signal will be that much more powerful because of the occasion.
[26:28.870 --> 26:29.190]  [SPEAKER_01]: You know what?
[26:29.250 --> 26:30.650]  [SPEAKER_01]: We'll get a booster if we have to.
[26:31.110 --> 26:31.230]  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[26:32.070 --> 26:32.470]  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[26:32.930 --> 26:33.490]  [SPEAKER_01]: Don't worry.
[26:33.590 --> 26:34.770]  [SPEAKER_01]: We'll make sure this works.
[26:35.410 --> 26:38.690]  [SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, we've talked to a number of people about this so far.
[26:38.830 --> 26:40.490]  [SPEAKER_01]: People at the cafe, people at the radio station.
[26:40.610 --> 26:42.450]  [SPEAKER_01]: Everybody we talk to is super enthused by it.
[26:42.850 --> 26:44.950]  [SPEAKER_01]: It's really kind of neat to see that kind of reaction.
[26:45.530 --> 26:49.390]  [SPEAKER_01]: And in fact, we were told that we should record a promo for the radio station.
[26:50.310 --> 26:56.850]  [SPEAKER_01]: And since we usually like to get out of here pretty quickly, I figured maybe we could save some time and make the promo here live on the air.
[26:57.490 --> 26:59.390]  [SPEAKER_01]: So does that sound good to you guys?
[26:59.550 --> 27:00.590]  [SPEAKER_07]: This is a little nerve-wracking.
[27:00.750 --> 27:04.210]  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a little nerve-wracking, I know, and it's hard to get it right the first time.
[27:04.210 --> 27:05.450]  [SPEAKER_01]: So we'll probably have to take a couple of takes.
[27:05.570 --> 27:12.190]  [SPEAKER_01]: What we can do is edit it together a little bit later on and then put it on the air and it'll be perfect.
[27:12.450 --> 27:18.230]  [SPEAKER_01]: So what I will do is read the first headline there.
[27:18.290 --> 27:19.570]  [SPEAKER_01]: You read the second paragraph, Rob.
[27:20.530 --> 27:25.270]  [SPEAKER_01]: Alex, you read the third and Kyle, you read that single line at the end.
[27:26.310 --> 27:28.050]  [SPEAKER_07]: What about the dates and the times?
[27:28.050 --> 27:29.990]  [SPEAKER_01]: I'll take care of that because I'm going to come back.
[27:30.110 --> 27:31.830]  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to start it and I'm going to end it.
[27:32.010 --> 27:32.270]  [SPEAKER_01]: All right?
[27:32.370 --> 27:32.670]  [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[27:32.730 --> 27:33.050]  [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[27:33.110 --> 27:33.970]  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's see if we can get this right.
[27:34.210 --> 27:34.790]  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry, folks.
[27:34.930 --> 27:37.710]  [SPEAKER_01]: This is how radio production in the modern age is done.
[27:39.050 --> 27:40.510]  [SPEAKER_01]: We sometimes have to double up.
[27:40.910 --> 27:42.250]  [SPEAKER_08]: Take notes from the pros.
[27:42.250 --> 27:42.610]  [SPEAKER_08]: It was here.
[27:43.550 --> 27:44.370]  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe not.
[27:44.710 --> 27:45.690]  [SPEAKER_01]: Not in this case, anyway.
[27:46.010 --> 27:46.170]  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[27:46.250 --> 27:47.470]  [SPEAKER_07]: Do you need a countdown?
[27:47.990 --> 27:48.310]  [SPEAKER_01]: No.
[27:48.470 --> 27:51.470]  [SPEAKER_01]: No, it doesn't matter because I'm going to use digital editing later.
[27:51.790 --> 27:52.250]  [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[27:52.370 --> 27:53.030]  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't need that.
[27:53.150 --> 27:53.330]  [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[27:53.370 --> 27:53.670]  [SPEAKER_01]: Here we go.
[27:53.750 --> 27:53.890]  [SPEAKER_01]: Ready?
[27:54.370 --> 27:54.990]  [SPEAKER_01]: Quiet on set.
[27:56.210 --> 27:59.070]  [SPEAKER_01]: Come to the first ever wireless emergency alert party.
[27:59.730 --> 28:00.930]  [SPEAKER_06]: Shortly after 2 p.m.
[28:00.930 --> 28:04.730]  [SPEAKER_06]: on Wednesday, October 3rd, every cell phone in the nation will receive a...
[28:04.730 --> 28:06.050]  [SPEAKER_06]: For God's sake.
[28:06.270 --> 28:06.350]  [SPEAKER_06]: God.
[28:06.550 --> 28:06.750]  [SPEAKER_06]: Really?
[28:07.250 --> 28:08.370]  [SPEAKER_06]: The first sentence?
[28:08.550 --> 28:09.250]  [SPEAKER_06]: Frozen peas.
[28:09.470 --> 28:10.590]  [SPEAKER_06]: You saw it got mine perfectly.
[28:10.830 --> 28:10.970]  [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
[28:11.190 --> 28:12.070]  [SPEAKER_06]: Let's try this again.
[28:12.230 --> 28:12.450]  [SPEAKER_06]: All right.
[28:12.710 --> 28:13.050]  [SPEAKER_06]: Take two.
[28:13.990 --> 28:15.050]  [SPEAKER_06]: Shortly after 2 p.m.
[28:15.130 --> 28:20.910]  [SPEAKER_06]: on Wednesday, October 3rd, every cell phone in the nation will receive a wireless emergency alert test for the first time in history.
[28:21.130 --> 28:22.570]  [SPEAKER_06]: This is a mandatory feature.
[28:22.770 --> 28:23.950]  [SPEAKER_06]: You cannot opt out of it.
[28:24.150 --> 28:29.310]  [SPEAKER_06]: This will give Donald Trump the ability to send a message to every mobile phone in the nation whenever he wants.
[28:30.930 --> 28:33.830]  [SPEAKER_07]: from happening, we can certainly add ourselves to the history.
[28:34.010 --> 28:43.330]  [SPEAKER_07]: And what could be more historic than having a crowd of people together adding to the cacophony when all of our phones start sounding alerts at the same time?
[28:43.750 --> 28:47.830]  [SPEAKER_07]: This is an event that will be captured for posterity, so don't miss it.
[28:49.190 --> 28:49.930]  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry.
[28:50.070 --> 28:50.910]  [SPEAKER_01]: I froze up.
[28:51.070 --> 28:51.810]  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[28:53.010 --> 28:53.770]  [SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
[28:54.030 --> 28:57.830]  [SPEAKER_01]: Wednesday, October 3rd at 1.30 p.m.
[28:57.890 --> 29:01.010]  [SPEAKER_01]: at the Commons Cafe, Brooklyn, New York, three...
[29:01.010 --> 29:01.950]  [SPEAKER_01]: Excuse me.
[29:02.110 --> 29:02.690]  [SPEAKER_01]: I'll take that again.
[29:02.830 --> 29:06.630]  [SPEAKER_01]: At the Commons Cafe, 388 Atlantic Avenue in Brooklyn, New York.
[29:06.950 --> 29:09.290]  [SPEAKER_01]: For more information, check...
[29:09.290 --> 29:09.810]  [SPEAKER_01]: You know what?
[29:09.890 --> 29:10.670]  [SPEAKER_01]: Where do we check?
[29:10.790 --> 29:12.290]  [SPEAKER_01]: We didn't work that part out yet.
[29:13.290 --> 29:15.710]  [SPEAKER_01]: For more information, follow us on Twitter.
[29:15.910 --> 29:16.430]  [SPEAKER_01]: No, hold on.
[29:16.990 --> 29:19.570]  [SPEAKER_01]: This is in conjunction with Off The Hook.
[29:19.830 --> 29:26.650]  [SPEAKER_01]: For more information, follow Hacker Radio Show on Twitter or email oth@2600.com.
[29:27.110 --> 29:27.730]  [SPEAKER_01]: And you know what?
[29:27.730 --> 29:28.770]  [SPEAKER_01]: They can just do a voiceover.
[29:28.890 --> 29:29.370]  [SPEAKER_01]: Sounds good.
[29:29.570 --> 29:30.110]  [SPEAKER_01]: If they add anything else.
[29:30.390 --> 29:30.670]  [SPEAKER_01]: You know what?
[29:30.870 --> 29:31.290]  [SPEAKER_01]: Fine, we're done.
[29:31.350 --> 29:31.810]  [SPEAKER_01]: We're done with that.
[29:33.190 --> 29:34.270]  [SPEAKER_08]: That's what you get.
[29:34.730 --> 29:35.610]  [SPEAKER_08]: That wasn't too bad.
[29:35.690 --> 29:36.330]  [SPEAKER_08]: No, that wasn't too bad.
[29:36.450 --> 29:39.150]  [SPEAKER_08]: Through the magic of nonlinear editing, that will be perfect.
[29:39.470 --> 29:40.590]  [SPEAKER_08]: All right, what else are we talking about?
[29:40.710 --> 29:42.590]  [SPEAKER_06]: In Lancashire, where Mrs. Buckley lives.
[29:42.870 --> 29:44.490]  [SPEAKER_06]: Every July, peas grow there.
[29:45.150 --> 29:46.070]  [SPEAKER_06]: Don't beat up yourself.
[29:46.190 --> 29:46.430]  [SPEAKER_06]: Sorry.
[29:47.430 --> 29:49.990]  [SPEAKER_06]: I do professional voice work, so this is a bit...
[29:49.990 --> 29:51.830]  [SPEAKER_08]: I didn't like my so don't miss it.
[29:51.850 --> 29:52.830]  [SPEAKER_08]: You can say it again if you want.
[29:52.830 --> 29:54.170]  [SPEAKER_08]: I don't have my aftercard.
[29:54.630 --> 29:57.810]  [SPEAKER_08]: This is an event that will be captured for posterity, so don't miss it.
[29:58.530 --> 30:00.290]  [SPEAKER_01]: See, now the first one doesn't seem so bad, does it?
[30:00.450 --> 30:01.790]  [SPEAKER_08]: No, that sounded way worse.
[30:01.930 --> 30:02.030]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[30:02.310 --> 30:02.890]  [SPEAKER_01]: So, okay.
[30:04.310 --> 30:05.510]  [SPEAKER_01]: I'd like to know what other people do.
[30:05.830 --> 30:07.610]  [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, not everybody can make it to this event.
[30:07.790 --> 30:12.290]  [SPEAKER_01]: People all over the country, though, including Hawaii and Alaska, will be a part of this as well.
[30:12.310 --> 30:14.490]  [SPEAKER_01]: So we want to hear all kinds of feedback.
[30:15.030 --> 30:20.290]  [SPEAKER_01]: And the cool thing about this is I think we're the only people planning a large event with lots of phones.
[30:20.290 --> 30:21.830]  [SPEAKER_01]: So this is a hacker thing.
[30:21.930 --> 30:22.930]  [SPEAKER_01]: This is an Off The Hook thing.
[30:22.990 --> 30:24.010]  [SPEAKER_01]: This is a WBAI thing.
[30:24.710 --> 30:25.570]  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's make it unique.
[30:25.690 --> 30:26.350]  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's make it fun.
[30:26.550 --> 30:30.670]  [SPEAKER_01]: And, yeah, I know it sucks that Trump has this power to do this.
[30:31.230 --> 30:32.830]  [SPEAKER_01]: Actually, it was signed under Obama.
[30:33.130 --> 30:36.230]  [SPEAKER_01]: It's just a bad idea because it can be abused.
[30:36.430 --> 30:38.690]  [SPEAKER_01]: But we can have fun with the technology.
[30:38.790 --> 30:55.810]  [SPEAKER_08]: The fun part, the real fun part, is that it's just such a diversity of equipment, such a diversity of carriers, different tones and sounds, different ways the messages, the timing, ways they will be delivered and the timing, of course, that all will play into how this works.
[30:55.970 --> 31:05.730]  [SPEAKER_08]: So we're really interested in what it will be like with such a mix of people and devices on this network.
[31:05.890 --> 31:06.630]  [SPEAKER_07]: Well, that's right.
[31:06.630 --> 31:11.610]  [SPEAKER_07]: And I think we should encourage people to bring a myriad of devices as well.
[31:11.730 --> 31:12.570]  [SPEAKER_07]: Bring your old phones.
[31:12.670 --> 31:13.930]  [SPEAKER_01]: Bring your new phones.
[31:14.050 --> 31:14.570]  [SPEAKER_01]: Here's the thing.
[31:14.670 --> 31:17.190]  [SPEAKER_01]: We have a week to figure this out, a little lesson a week.
[31:18.210 --> 31:28.450]  [SPEAKER_01]: Only WEA-compatible cell phones that are switched on and within range of an active cell tower and whose wireless provider participates in WEA will be capable of receiving the test message.
[31:28.470 --> 31:35.250]  [SPEAKER_01]: So I guess we have to see if our cell phones are WEA-compatible, which I imagine most are.
[31:35.530 --> 31:36.190]  [SPEAKER_08]: Mine is.
[31:36.190 --> 31:37.730]  [SPEAKER_08]: I got a flood alert yesterday.
[31:37.850 --> 31:38.530]  [SPEAKER_01]: And I didn't.
[31:38.590 --> 31:39.310]  [SPEAKER_01]: Why didn't I get this?
[31:39.390 --> 31:40.730]  [SPEAKER_01]: I was in the same place.
[31:40.730 --> 31:41.450]  [SPEAKER_08]: It was serious.
[31:41.470 --> 31:42.950]  [SPEAKER_06]: It was like a foot of water.
[31:43.770 --> 31:45.130]  [SPEAKER_01]: It was a foot of water for me, too.
[31:45.150 --> 31:45.950]  [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't get an alert.
[31:45.950 --> 31:48.910]  [SPEAKER_06]: Were you maybe upstairs and he was downstairs?
[31:48.910 --> 31:49.970]  [SPEAKER_01]: We were next to each other.
[31:50.090 --> 31:51.210]  [SPEAKER_01]: We were doing a different radio show.
[31:51.210 --> 31:52.770]  [SPEAKER_08]: And all of a sudden, you got an alert.
[31:52.830 --> 31:54.490]  [SPEAKER_08]: It's because your phone's waterproof.
[31:54.910 --> 31:55.570]  [SPEAKER_08]: That's why.
[31:55.990 --> 31:56.390]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[31:56.770 --> 31:57.790]  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, my shoes aren't.
[31:57.790 --> 31:58.550]  [SPEAKER_01]: I can tell you that.
[32:00.170 --> 32:03.390]  [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, I imagine most new phones, i.e.
[32:03.410 --> 32:06.830]  [SPEAKER_01]: new phones being within the last five years, are capable of this.
[32:06.950 --> 32:10.090]  [SPEAKER_01]: I imagine most wireless companies are going to be participating.
[32:10.710 --> 32:13.410]  [SPEAKER_01]: But if you know of exceptions, let us know.
[32:13.570 --> 32:16.250]  [SPEAKER_01]: Because, you know, this is how we learn about things.
[32:16.850 --> 32:18.970]  [SPEAKER_07]: I think you should bring the candlestick phone.
[32:19.150 --> 32:20.130]  [SPEAKER_07]: Just so people know...
[32:20.130 --> 32:21.430]  [SPEAKER_07]: I'm pretty sure that's not going to work.
[32:21.450 --> 32:22.210]  [SPEAKER_01]: What the hell we were talking about.
[32:22.670 --> 32:23.750]  [SPEAKER_01]: Landlines are not going to get this.
[32:23.890 --> 32:25.890]  [SPEAKER_01]: Another advantage to landlines, by the way.
[32:25.890 --> 32:26.630]  [SPEAKER_01]: Very true.
[32:27.010 --> 32:29.890]  [SPEAKER_01]: Now, this WEA will include a special tone.
[32:30.030 --> 32:31.310]  [SPEAKER_01]: Some describe it as quite loud.
[32:31.570 --> 32:33.070]  [SPEAKER_01]: This is FEMA saying this.
[32:33.310 --> 32:35.090]  [SPEAKER_01]: Some describe it as quite loud.
[32:35.210 --> 32:36.030]  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, this is going to be awesome.
[32:36.210 --> 32:36.990]  [SPEAKER_01]: And vibration.
[32:37.650 --> 32:39.030]  [SPEAKER_01]: Both repeated twice.
[32:39.570 --> 32:44.770]  [SPEAKER_01]: A distinctive WEA message dialogue box also appears in the mobile device's screen.
[32:45.510 --> 32:46.370]  [SPEAKER_01]: Here's a question.
[32:46.470 --> 32:49.130]  [SPEAKER_01]: What language will the WEA test message be in?
[32:49.410 --> 32:52.990]  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, WEA currently only supports messages in English.
[32:54.170 --> 32:55.250]  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's the only one.
[32:55.250 --> 32:56.570]  [SPEAKER_01]: You thought I was going to say Spanish, didn't you?
[32:56.710 --> 32:56.930]  [SPEAKER_01]: No.
[32:57.230 --> 32:58.030]  [SPEAKER_01]: It's only English.
[32:58.210 --> 32:59.370]  [SPEAKER_01]: How do you like that?
[32:59.710 --> 33:03.270]  [SPEAKER_01]: When things hit the fan, only English speakers will be told about it.
[33:04.510 --> 33:12.790]  [SPEAKER_01]: IPAWS can deliver emergency message content in multiple languages and is working with private sector systems to support delivery of messages in more languages in the future.
[33:12.910 --> 33:13.390]  [SPEAKER_01]: Come on.
[33:13.910 --> 33:15.010]  [SPEAKER_01]: Really, what does it take?
[33:15.090 --> 33:17.210]  [SPEAKER_01]: What does it take to transmit in a different language?
[33:17.470 --> 33:18.690]  [SPEAKER_01]: It's really not that hard.
[33:19.130 --> 33:32.750]  [SPEAKER_06]: So this means the sizable population of this country who don't speak English or at least don't completely understand English are going to have their phones make a scary noise, do something they can't control, and then show them something that they might or might not understand.
[33:33.370 --> 33:34.870]  [SPEAKER_06]: What could possibly go wrong with this?
[33:35.390 --> 33:38.270]  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, there have been EAS tests before this.
[33:38.270 --> 33:41.210]  [SPEAKER_01]: There was one in November 2011, one in September 2016.
[33:41.330 --> 33:43.290]  [SPEAKER_01]: But that's an emergency alert system.
[33:43.370 --> 33:44.250]  [SPEAKER_01]: That's over the radio.
[33:45.030 --> 33:52.750]  [SPEAKER_01]: And I remember we taped a whole bunch of channels and saw all kinds of weirdness going on with mistakes that were made.
[33:53.090 --> 33:57.590]  [SPEAKER_01]: This is the first time ever that this has been done over the cell phone network.
[33:57.610 --> 34:00.370]  [SPEAKER_01]: So that's going to be something everybody will be talking about next week.
[34:01.430 --> 34:10.650]  [SPEAKER_01]: So you can be a part of some history here at the radio station, here at the Commons Cafe downstairs, 388 Atlantic Avenue, Wednesday, October 3rd.
[34:10.890 --> 34:12.090]  [SPEAKER_01]: Gather at 1.30 p.m.
[34:12.150 --> 34:15.790]  [SPEAKER_01]: Test happens shortly after 2, and it'll be a fun time.
[34:15.990 --> 34:17.470]  [SPEAKER_01]: I think we're broadcasting it live as well.
[34:17.750 --> 34:19.190]  [SPEAKER_07]: I think this is going to be great.
[34:20.790 --> 34:23.050]  [SPEAKER_07]: I think cacophony was the perfect word.
[34:23.230 --> 34:24.490]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, don't know if we use it, Alex.
[34:24.670 --> 34:26.390]  [SPEAKER_01]: You can't use words like that too often.
[34:26.430 --> 34:29.190]  [SPEAKER_07]: It's kind of a pun, too, isn't it, right?
[34:29.410 --> 34:30.130]  [SPEAKER_01]: How is it a pun?
[34:30.370 --> 34:32.090]  [SPEAKER_07]: Well, because it has phone.
[34:32.170 --> 34:32.670]  [SPEAKER_07]: Because it has phone.
[34:32.910 --> 34:33.650]  [SPEAKER_07]: Phone in the...
[34:33.650 --> 34:35.210]  [SPEAKER_07]: Like telephony.
[34:35.410 --> 34:35.650]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[34:35.650 --> 34:41.230]  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, our listeners, if you want to call us and talk about other things, please feel free.
[34:41.930 --> 34:44.330]  [SPEAKER_01]: We're at 347-335-0818.
[34:44.470 --> 34:45.190]  [SPEAKER_01]: We'd love to hear from you.
[34:45.470 --> 34:50.150]  [SPEAKER_06]: And definitely spread the word because we want to get as many people together to share this moment as possible.
[34:50.850 --> 34:57.010]  [SPEAKER_06]: You know, if the president is going to have the ability to grab us all by the smartphone whenever he wants, we're going to need some community support.
[34:57.010 --> 35:05.210]  [SPEAKER_06]: So, yeah, come down to the Cummins Cafe or our pleasant neighbors downstairs, 388 Atlantic Avenue in Brooklyn, New York.
[35:05.350 --> 35:08.610]  [SPEAKER_06]: And join us midday Wednesday for some fun.
[35:08.890 --> 35:09.870]  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, absolutely.
[35:10.970 --> 35:11.990]  [SPEAKER_01]: That'll be unique.
[35:12.110 --> 35:14.270]  [SPEAKER_01]: That'll be something we've never actually done before.
[35:14.270 --> 35:15.890]  [SPEAKER_01]: So we're looking forward to that.
[35:16.070 --> 35:21.890]  [SPEAKER_01]: So, again, our phone number, if you have any feedback or things to discuss with us, 347-335-0818.
[35:22.270 --> 35:23.550]  [SPEAKER_01]: We have calls on the line.
[35:23.690 --> 35:24.190]  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's take one of them.
[35:24.270 --> 35:24.570]  [SPEAKER_01]: Good evening.
[35:24.730 --> 35:25.670]  [SPEAKER_01]: You're on Off The Hook.
[35:25.670 --> 35:25.970]  [SPEAKER_01]: Go ahead.
[35:27.210 --> 35:27.850]  [SPEAKER_01]: I see.
[35:28.570 --> 35:29.370]  [SPEAKER_01]: That sound.
[35:30.610 --> 35:32.650]  [SPEAKER_01]: That sound is not an emergency alert tone.
[35:33.370 --> 35:36.010]  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a sound you don't really hear that often anymore either.
[35:36.190 --> 35:40.050]  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, if you went to Maker Faire, you would have heard that sound by our van because we were playing recordings.
[35:40.350 --> 35:44.730]  [SPEAKER_01]: In fact, I don't know if many people remember, dial tones used to sound more harsh.
[35:44.730 --> 35:45.670]  [SPEAKER_01]: And we were playing that one.
[35:45.830 --> 35:47.190]  [SPEAKER_01]: It drew some complaints, in fact.
[35:47.650 --> 35:50.290]  [SPEAKER_01]: People described it as a scratching noise or a buzz.
[35:51.070 --> 35:52.230]  [SPEAKER_01]: But that was a dial tone.
[35:52.390 --> 35:56.950]  [SPEAKER_01]: Before that rather pleasant-sounding dial tone, it had a different sound.
[35:56.970 --> 35:58.610]  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have a recording of it, so I can't play it.
[35:59.230 --> 36:01.850]  [SPEAKER_01]: But again, our phone number is 347-335-0818.
[36:01.990 --> 36:06.330]  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's wait for a couple more people to call in, and then we'll see if they actually stay on the line.
[36:06.350 --> 36:07.670]  [SPEAKER_01]: That would be nice.
[36:08.850 --> 36:12.290]  [SPEAKER_01]: There's apparently a problem with Apple Watches.
[36:12.930 --> 36:25.470]  [SPEAKER_01]: Late last week, Apple released more details about how, with certain opt-in settings, Apple Watch Series 4 will contact emergency services if the watch detects that you've had a hard fall.
[36:25.730 --> 36:27.130]  [SPEAKER_01]: Can your watch do that?
[36:27.130 --> 36:28.570]  [SPEAKER_01]: It can detect if you've fallen down.
[36:28.990 --> 36:33.950]  [SPEAKER_01]: Before actually contacting first responders, the Apple Watch will try to give numerous urgent alerts.
[36:34.810 --> 36:43.750]  [SPEAKER_01]: It's tapping the wearer on the wrist, sounding a very loud alarm, not the kind we're going to have next week, but a different kind of alarm, and also displaying a visual alert.
[36:43.890 --> 36:45.190]  [SPEAKER_01]: How does a watch tap you?
[36:45.790 --> 36:48.410]  [SPEAKER_01]: There's actually a physical tap mechanism?
[36:48.630 --> 36:49.570]  [SPEAKER_07]: I have no idea.
[36:49.830 --> 36:51.830]  [SPEAKER_07]: This whole thing just sounds completely ridiculous.
[36:52.130 --> 37:04.310]  [SPEAKER_08]: I imagine it's a component like you'd have in a pager that vibrates and does some sort of kinetic movement, like a vibrate mode in a cell phone.
[37:04.510 --> 37:04.990]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.
[37:05.230 --> 37:05.710]  [SPEAKER_08]: I'm not sure.
[37:05.850 --> 37:06.390]  [SPEAKER_08]: I don't own one.
[37:06.390 --> 37:07.730]  [SPEAKER_01]: It's just weird that they call it tapping.
[37:08.270 --> 37:20.490]  [SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, the alert gives the options of immediately calling an emergency SOS, or tapping, I fell but I'm okay, or I did not fall, or I dropped my watch and I'm still standing up, or all kinds of things.
[37:20.550 --> 37:26.390]  [SPEAKER_01]: If the Apple Watch detects that the wearer is immobile for about a minute, it begins a 15-second countdown.
[37:26.670 --> 37:32.410]  [SPEAKER_01]: After that, the watch will contact emergency services, which often can use mobile phone data to locate the wearer.
[37:32.830 --> 37:38.550]  [SPEAKER_01]: Apple says that the feature is automatically enabled for users who have entered their age into their profile and are over 65.
[37:39.170 --> 37:50.470]  [SPEAKER_01]: The mostly opt-in nature of the service may mitigate but not completely address concerns raised by some lawyers in the immediate aftermath of the September 12th announcement of the watch.
[37:50.670 --> 37:52.310]  [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know about the September 12th announcement.
[37:52.310 --> 37:53.150]  [SPEAKER_01]: It sounds rather ominous.
[37:54.090 --> 38:05.190]  [SPEAKER_01]: Apparently, a law professor at the University of California, Davis, was quick to point out that by inviting the police into your home, Apple Watch wearers may be opening themselves up to criminal liability.
[38:05.190 --> 38:07.910]  [SPEAKER_01]: I guess that's something to concern yourself with, right, Alex?
[38:08.010 --> 38:08.450]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, sure.
[38:08.630 --> 38:22.010]  [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, if they receive a 911 call, they are entitled to enter your home if they believe that you are in danger or you need help, you need some kind of community assistance, that is a Fourth Amendment exception.
[38:23.010 --> 38:24.990]  [SPEAKER_07]: Normally, the home is sacrosanct.
[38:25.110 --> 38:29.250]  [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, the home is one of the places that's actually specifically mentioned in the Fourth Amendment.
[38:29.250 --> 38:34.630]  [SPEAKER_07]: So you would ordinarily need a warrant to enter the home if you're a law enforcement officer.
[38:34.990 --> 38:36.790]  [SPEAKER_07]: Or maybe think it's your apartment instead.
[38:37.510 --> 38:40.070]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, well, that's, I mean, that's an issue.
[38:40.130 --> 38:40.570]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yes.
[38:41.230 --> 38:44.130]  [SPEAKER_07]: But if they think that you're in distress, they can enter your home.
[38:44.130 --> 39:03.270]  [SPEAKER_07]: So if you banged your watch or it fell perhaps from a tall shelf and it tried to tap you but you weren't wearing it or something like that and it called the police, the police entered your home and perhaps you had some marijuana or something like the anarchist cookbook or,
[39:03.430 --> 39:07.770]  [SPEAKER_07]: God forbid, you know, a red box hanging around on the dining room table.
[39:07.770 --> 39:09.270]  [SPEAKER_07]: None of those are really bad things.
[39:09.270 --> 39:10.830]  [SPEAKER_07]: Those are all terrible examples.
[39:11.290 --> 39:12.450]  [SPEAKER_07]: You need to update your terms there.
[39:12.670 --> 39:13.890]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, exactly.
[39:14.150 --> 39:14.290]  [SPEAKER_07]: Right.
[39:15.210 --> 39:22.750]  [SPEAKER_07]: But sure, you know, then the police are in there and anything they see that could be evidence of a crime could then subject you to arrest.
[39:22.870 --> 39:33.310]  [SPEAKER_01]: So here's, if you fall and you're wearing an Apple watch and it rats you out, try to crawl into the hallway outside your apartment or house into the street or something.
[39:33.450 --> 39:35.290]  [SPEAKER_01]: And that way they won't go into your house, right?
[39:36.070 --> 39:49.990]  [SPEAKER_07]: Well, maybe, unless they are in such a rush to help whoever it is that's fallen and could not get up that they just step over you because they think, well, we were called for somebody who fell in an apartment and we need to step over this person.
[39:50.130 --> 39:51.010]  [SPEAKER_07]: We'll get to him next.
[39:51.270 --> 39:53.110]  [SPEAKER_07]: Can't they detect the watch is what called them?
[39:54.110 --> 39:55.090]  [SPEAKER_07]: I have no idea.
[39:55.450 --> 39:56.350]  [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, maybe, perhaps.
[39:56.350 --> 39:57.830]  [SPEAKER_01]: I can't believe we're having these conversations.
[39:58.070 --> 39:58.970]  [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, we have a caller on the line.
[39:59.030 --> 39:59.270]  [SPEAKER_01]: Good evening.
[39:59.390 --> 40:00.170]  [SPEAKER_01]: You're on off the hook.
[40:00.230 --> 40:00.430]  [SPEAKER_01]: Go ahead.
[40:01.750 --> 40:02.010]  [SPEAKER_02]: Hi.
[40:02.150 --> 40:02.470]  [SPEAKER_02]: Hi, guys.
[40:02.510 --> 40:02.850]  [SPEAKER_02]: How are you doing?
[40:02.930 --> 40:03.410]  [SPEAKER_01]: What's on your mind?
[40:04.790 --> 40:05.370]  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, man.
[40:06.430 --> 40:08.090]  [SPEAKER_02]: I remember growing up in the 80s, right?
[40:08.090 --> 40:10.050]  [SPEAKER_02]: And I used to call my grandmother.
[40:10.230 --> 40:12.910]  [SPEAKER_02]: She used to live on the Grand Concourse before she went to Clock City.
[40:13.390 --> 40:18.310]  [SPEAKER_02]: And I think in the 80s, like the mid-80s, they had that dial from the one you were talking about.
[40:18.470 --> 40:21.410]  [SPEAKER_02]: It was a tone with a scratchy background.
[40:21.650 --> 40:25.570]  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, in the 90s, the one that you hear now, that's the one they...
[40:25.570 --> 40:29.890]  [SPEAKER_02]: that one was introduced like in the 90s, maybe even after the past 20-something years up to this day.
[40:31.210 --> 40:35.110]  [SPEAKER_02]: I do remember rotary phones in the 80s because I'm 40 years old.
[40:35.330 --> 40:36.570]  [SPEAKER_02]: I remember growing up in the mid-80s.
[40:36.610 --> 40:39.210]  [SPEAKER_02]: I do remember seeing our rotary phones in the Bronx.
[40:40.490 --> 40:41.750]  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, all over the Bronx.
[40:41.930 --> 40:42.890]  [SPEAKER_02]: We don't have no...
[40:42.890 --> 40:44.130]  [SPEAKER_02]: we don't have no payphones left.
[40:44.790 --> 40:45.530]  [SPEAKER_02]: Just a few.
[40:45.750 --> 40:47.910]  [SPEAKER_02]: And there's still some left in Manhattan, just to correct you.
[40:48.230 --> 40:49.090]  [SPEAKER_02]: What they have now is...
[40:49.090 --> 40:50.750]  [SPEAKER_01]: I said that there weren't phone booths.
[40:50.850 --> 40:54.870]  [SPEAKER_01]: So there are payphones, but you won't be able to find a booth that I don't believe.
[40:56.270 --> 40:56.650]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[40:56.830 --> 41:00.070]  [SPEAKER_02]: What they have now is those LinkNYC towers.
[41:00.310 --> 41:01.010]  [SPEAKER_02]: They're very convenient.
[41:01.250 --> 41:01.810]  [SPEAKER_02]: You get free calls.
[41:01.910 --> 41:03.310]  [SPEAKER_02]: You can't beat that, man.
[41:03.770 --> 41:06.870]  [SPEAKER_02]: And I hope that they do them nationwide because that'd be a wonderful thing.
[41:07.490 --> 41:15.230]  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, you can't beat that for certain things, but also those devices are spying on you in some ways.
[41:15.770 --> 41:22.310]  [SPEAKER_01]: If they go down for one reason or another, you know, it doesn't have the same kind of reliability of the old phone network.
[41:23.290 --> 41:23.690]  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[41:24.150 --> 41:30.290]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but I'm gonna hang up so you can just tell me about those ringtones like, you know, the ones I just mentioned.
[41:30.690 --> 41:31.190]  [SPEAKER_02]: Take care.
[41:31.190 --> 41:33.150]  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, thanks for your call.
[41:33.370 --> 41:41.410]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, there are different generations of switching systems and the ringing tone, I think, was an entire part of the system.
[41:41.570 --> 41:52.410]  [SPEAKER_08]: It depends on what era, but the one that he was speaking to later was, I think, synthesized in, I guess, I don't know, the early digital switches.
[41:53.310 --> 41:59.590]  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, pretty much that's why the cadence of rings today is pretty much the same everywhere.
[41:59.590 --> 42:03.870]  [SPEAKER_08]: Because the generations before that would have been like electromechanical or something?
[42:04.230 --> 42:11.990]  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, electromechanical, the old step systems, literally every central office, every region had a different sound to it.
[42:12.190 --> 42:20.970]  [SPEAKER_01]: So you could say, hey, you know, I'm calling this particular office in the Bronx or I'm calling this particular office in Manhattan and you could sometimes hear it pulsing out.
[42:21.150 --> 42:29.150]  [SPEAKER_01]: You could hear just different weird sounds that were unique to those particular areas.
[42:29.150 --> 42:31.010]  [SPEAKER_01]: and, you know, you could still do that.
[42:31.110 --> 42:34.390]  [SPEAKER_01]: You could still do that with electronic digital systems.
[42:35.110 --> 42:38.230]  [SPEAKER_01]: But that's not where the priority of the designers is.
[42:38.370 --> 42:41.090]  [SPEAKER_01]: They want things to just work the same everywhere.
[42:41.330 --> 42:50.310]  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's a bit unfortunate because you lose that magic, that romance of the system where you feel like you're going somewhere distant and hearing something different.
[42:50.710 --> 43:08.490]  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, to build on what the caller said about the LinkNYC prevalence and to build on what you said which is this issue of being the same everywhere, I'm wondering if the loss of payphone booths is a is universal across the United States.
[43:08.570 --> 43:11.170]  [SPEAKER_07]: Are there other cities that still have payphone booths?
[43:11.290 --> 43:20.270]  [SPEAKER_07]: Because I'm thinking about having lived in London for a while and then come back to New York where payphone booths in the UK and in London in particular, they're very iconic.
[43:20.430 --> 43:21.270]  [SPEAKER_07]: They still exist.
[43:21.490 --> 43:41.490]  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, of the city and what was always interesting to me is that if you went into these payphone booths I mean, you could the phones were still in pretty much working order but they were pretty much taken over by advertisements for escort services and prostitutes.
[43:42.270 --> 43:53.630]  [SPEAKER_07]: And I think it's primarily because in the UK my understanding is that prostitution is not illegal over there but the public solicitation of prostitution is.
[43:54.010 --> 43:58.190]  [SPEAKER_07]: So you put your ad in a phone booth and that's how people know to call you.
[43:58.490 --> 44:00.850]  [SPEAKER_07]: Various numbers and pictures and things like that.
[44:01.790 --> 44:06.010]  [SPEAKER_07]: But I, you know, I think back to London and it really is, you know, it's a symbol of the city.
[44:06.150 --> 44:08.250]  [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, does Cleveland still have phone booths?
[44:08.350 --> 44:09.810]  [SPEAKER_07]: Does Tulsa still have phone booths?
[44:09.870 --> 44:10.690]  [SPEAKER_01]: Or is this the New York...
[44:10.690 --> 44:14.650]  [SPEAKER_01]: The thing is, the phone booth that we brought to Maker Faire is an indoor phone booth.
[44:14.830 --> 44:15.870]  [SPEAKER_01]: It's made out of wood.
[44:16.270 --> 44:17.530]  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not supposed to be outdoors.
[44:17.950 --> 44:19.510]  [SPEAKER_01]: It was outdoors for that weekend.
[44:20.330 --> 44:25.290]  [SPEAKER_01]: But the other ones are metallic and are designed to be weatherproof.
[44:25.450 --> 44:26.350]  [SPEAKER_01]: So there's two different kinds.
[44:26.430 --> 44:34.270]  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think the ones that are the indoor phone booths have been preserved in many cases inside establishments that recognize, hey, this is something I don't want to get rid of.
[44:34.690 --> 44:44.270]  [SPEAKER_01]: And so they make some kind of a deal with whoever was leasing it to them or maybe that company just goes out of business or something and they hold on to it.
[44:44.510 --> 44:46.810]  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think there are probably a bunch of those around.
[44:46.990 --> 44:51.930]  [SPEAKER_01]: Not a whole lot, obviously, but certainly it's not zero.
[44:52.150 --> 44:54.590]  [SPEAKER_01]: And there are some outdoor phone...
[44:54.590 --> 44:56.370]  [SPEAKER_01]: I know because people send us pictures of them all the time.
[44:56.490 --> 44:59.230]  [SPEAKER_01]: There are outdoor phone booths and plenty of payphones around the world.
[44:59.410 --> 45:01.850]  [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, they're in danger of disappearing.
[45:02.050 --> 45:11.490]  [SPEAKER_06]: I think a lot of the outdoor phone booths that still exist are also being commercially exploited because they're in the hands of, say, set-piece rental houses for film and television production and things like that.
[45:11.590 --> 45:23.990]  [SPEAKER_06]: I was walking through the filming location which was in Manhattan near a place I used to work where they were filming a scene of the show Gotham which took place I think sometime in the past.
[45:24.210 --> 45:26.590]  [SPEAKER_06]: And so they had a bunch of phone booths lined up to make the street look older.
[45:26.910 --> 45:35.690]  [SPEAKER_06]: And as I looked up close to these because I was walking down the sidewalk they were phone booths from all over the country with the markings of all different telcos and things.
[45:35.990 --> 45:44.050]  [SPEAKER_06]: So you wouldn't see that on screen they just look like a row of phone booths but I think you know it was fun I played with them a little bit maybe.
[45:44.050 --> 45:45.330]  [SPEAKER_01]: We have another phone call.
[45:45.530 --> 45:45.810]  [SPEAKER_01]: Good evening.
[45:45.950 --> 45:46.450]  [SPEAKER_01]: You're on off the hook.
[45:46.550 --> 45:46.770]  [SPEAKER_01]: Go ahead.
[45:48.310 --> 45:48.850]  [SPEAKER_01]: Speak up.
[45:48.850 --> 45:50.930]  [SPEAKER_04]: Hi, I have a question.
[45:51.330 --> 45:51.530]  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[45:52.270 --> 45:53.650]  [SPEAKER_04]: What's the deal with barraging?
[45:53.810 --> 45:57.130]  [SPEAKER_04]: They took this white box from my house and it's driving me crazy.
[45:57.370 --> 46:00.310]  [SPEAKER_04]: I want my landline back and I can't get a hold of them.
[46:00.710 --> 46:04.230]  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I have to say your phone doesn't sound very well connected right now.
[46:04.410 --> 46:06.090]  [SPEAKER_01]: You're not on your old landline are you?
[46:06.870 --> 46:14.630]  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not being paranoid but they're probably listening because normally a phone call doesn't last this one would be it slicks off in 39 to 49 seconds.
[46:15.170 --> 46:15.690]  [SPEAKER_01]: What?
[46:15.770 --> 46:16.970]  [SPEAKER_01]: It just cuts off usually?
[46:17.650 --> 46:19.030]  [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, yes, yes.
[46:19.310 --> 46:19.830]  [SPEAKER_01]: That's terrible.
[46:20.130 --> 46:28.670]  [SPEAKER_04]: If you call me 49 to 44 to 49 seconds if I call them it's 39 to 49 seconds then it goes right off.
[46:29.010 --> 46:30.350]  [SPEAKER_01]: Interesting that it ends in a nine.
[46:31.290 --> 46:33.790]  [SPEAKER_01]: You can't get a landline anymore they won't give you one?
[46:34.330 --> 46:36.870]  [SPEAKER_04]: They're telling me they can't find a place to put one.
[46:36.990 --> 46:37.890]  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't want to hear that.
[46:38.010 --> 46:40.310]  [SPEAKER_04]: Other people still have their landlines in this area.
[46:41.170 --> 46:43.650]  [SPEAKER_01]: They're probably trying to push you onto Fios or something like that.
[46:43.950 --> 46:44.150]  [SPEAKER_01]: Right, right.
[46:44.230 --> 46:44.990]  [SPEAKER_04]: That's what it is.
[46:45.070 --> 46:46.530]  [SPEAKER_04]: It's blocked with this blue light.
[46:47.150 --> 46:49.070]  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we've heard many things about that.
[46:50.550 --> 46:51.590]  [SPEAKER_01]: This is tough.
[46:51.770 --> 46:56.890]  [SPEAKER_01]: The best thing you can do is do what you're doing now letting people know that this is not acceptable.
[46:58.050 --> 46:59.250]  [SPEAKER_01]: You're in New York?
[46:59.750 --> 47:00.610]  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm in Manhattan.
[47:00.810 --> 47:05.490]  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm getting ready to write a letter to the advocate on Westridge to see what happens.
[47:05.570 --> 47:06.310]  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, that's good.
[47:06.410 --> 47:07.750]  [SPEAKER_01]: Write to the Public Service Commission.
[47:08.590 --> 47:12.770]  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, people say yeah, this is technology, the price of advancement.
[47:13.090 --> 47:14.010]  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not true.
[47:14.250 --> 47:21.710]  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if people say they want something that works in a particular way and enough people say that, they'll find a way to make it happen.
[47:22.610 --> 47:23.050]  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[47:23.410 --> 47:23.710]  [SPEAKER_01]: All right?
[47:24.190 --> 47:24.690]  [SPEAKER_04]: All right.
[47:24.790 --> 47:25.010]  [SPEAKER_04]: Thanks.
[47:25.130 --> 47:25.810]  [SPEAKER_04]: Love your show.
[47:26.070 --> 47:26.730]  [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for listening.
[47:28.670 --> 47:30.350]  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, we hear so many things from people.
[47:30.550 --> 47:42.870]  [SPEAKER_01]: It breaks my heart because, you know, I was commenting to a friend that if you listen to radio interviews or television interviews from, say, 30 years ago, the people on the phone sounded so much better than they do now.
[47:42.870 --> 47:43.690]  [SPEAKER_01]: That shouldn't be.
[47:43.870 --> 47:47.050]  [SPEAKER_01]: If we're truly advancing, we should sound great.
[47:47.310 --> 47:48.270]  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it should sound great.
[47:48.370 --> 47:51.450]  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yeah, there's Skype connections, but they're not always that good.
[47:51.810 --> 47:58.230]  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, this is a technology that is proven and if people want to continue using it, there should be a way for them to do that.
[47:58.670 --> 48:14.090]  [SPEAKER_08]: One idea I would have is talk to other people in the building and discuss kind of what is changing and how it's structured as far as the service that is provided now in the copper realm.
[48:14.130 --> 48:16.150]  [SPEAKER_08]: Are a lot of people abandoning that?
[48:16.330 --> 48:18.550]  [SPEAKER_08]: Has Verizon convinced a lot of people?
[48:18.650 --> 48:24.970]  [SPEAKER_08]: Are you sort of the first to sort of be coerced or coaxed to move away from it?
[48:25.150 --> 48:33.510]  [SPEAKER_08]: And also, perhaps through those conversations, consider structuring it through like a business account.
[48:34.050 --> 48:45.150]  [SPEAKER_08]: Maybe your management company can allocate lines and have it all under one sort of business bill or divided in some way.
[48:46.010 --> 48:51.470]  [SPEAKER_08]: There's options still, but you have to really talk to other people that are there.
[48:51.730 --> 48:55.190]  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe have a PBX in your building or something that is run by the management company.
[48:55.270 --> 48:55.810]  [SPEAKER_01]: That's a good idea.
[48:55.930 --> 49:07.170]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, it may be possible to have sort of a private line installed specifically for that piece of equipment that the management company then operates and then issues extensions to tenants.
[49:07.310 --> 49:11.070]  [SPEAKER_01]: You don't ever have to accept this is the way it is and it's not going to change.
[49:11.070 --> 49:17.690]  [SPEAKER_01]: It used to be when you made phone calls if you were calling somebody in your own town you didn't have to dial as many numbers.
[49:17.890 --> 49:23.570]  [SPEAKER_01]: You could just dial say the last three digits of a small town and you'd get the particular person attached to that phone number.
[49:23.630 --> 49:26.490]  [SPEAKER_01]: If you were outside the town you'd have to dial more digits to get there.
[49:26.630 --> 49:28.790]  [SPEAKER_01]: There's places where that still works in that way.
[49:28.910 --> 49:31.670]  [SPEAKER_01]: There's no reason we can't operate a system that does that.
[49:32.050 --> 49:37.350]  [SPEAKER_01]: Now, I'm not saying that the new way of doing things or the new ways of doing things are flawed.
[49:37.430 --> 49:41.890]  [SPEAKER_01]: They are, but they also have advantages and we shouldn't shy away from that either.
[49:42.090 --> 49:46.930]  [SPEAKER_01]: But when you cut off completely any connection to the past you're losing something.
[49:47.050 --> 49:58.430]  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think what we saw at Maker Faire we saw people enthused by that by technology they could get their hands on they could understand they could see the potential and design something based on that.
[49:59.270 --> 50:02.970]  [SPEAKER_01]: It's just ignorant to let go and not look back.
[50:03.150 --> 50:17.170]  [SPEAKER_08]: And you're just much more powerful and they make so much more money off of you individually as an individual resident and you're just always going to fare better if you can try to find some kind of wholesale arrangement.
[50:17.910 --> 50:44.790]  [SPEAKER_08]: And the real crux of it is you don't want to be maximizing profit as individual residents for them and having the lowest possible quality service which is what they will try to do to make the most money at the least cost to them which will leave you with bad service and what you're advocating for in your community is to have the best kind of communication method.
[50:44.990 --> 50:51.350]  [SPEAKER_08]: If you're going to switch if things are changing then you want to build and have a system that you're happy with.
[50:51.470 --> 50:55.030]  [SPEAKER_08]: You're going to pay for it one way or another so you might as well have something good.
[50:55.170 --> 50:57.030]  [SPEAKER_01]: And don't even get me started on payphones.
[50:57.310 --> 51:00.770]  [SPEAKER_01]: It's you know not everybody has a cell phone all the time.
[51:00.770 --> 51:01.430]  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's broken.
[51:01.530 --> 51:02.210]  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's out of battery.
[51:02.450 --> 51:03.430]  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you see an emergency.
[51:03.430 --> 51:06.130]  [SPEAKER_01]: You need to be able to access a network somehow.
[51:06.570 --> 51:13.210]  [SPEAKER_01]: And you know a reliable payphone in certain places can still be a necessity.
[51:13.510 --> 51:14.510]  [SPEAKER_01]: Hey we have another phone call.
[51:14.590 --> 51:14.930]  [SPEAKER_01]: Good evening.
[51:15.070 --> 51:15.990]  [SPEAKER_01]: You're on Off The Hook.
[51:16.630 --> 51:17.770]  [SPEAKER_03]: Hey good evening guys.
[51:17.990 --> 51:41.510]  [SPEAKER_03]: We sure know about Verizon because I was the guy that cut my copper line last year and had to put Fios in but it was interesting how you were talking about the World's Fair and we were there in September of 63 and I remember the GM you know the place they had the thing of the future and the phones and all that but I let my sisters and my cousins the girls all went to check the phones out.
[51:42.810 --> 51:48.470]  [SPEAKER_03]: We were there I think the same Sunday Gene Shepard did a live taping at the World's Fair.
[51:49.770 --> 51:52.470]  [SPEAKER_03]: And I've heard it I've heard it on WBAI.
[51:52.730 --> 51:55.010]  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah Max has probably played that I'm sure.
[51:55.610 --> 52:00.210]  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah Max has played it a couple but you know you're talking about the right?
[52:00.790 --> 52:01.010]  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[52:01.290 --> 52:29.150]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well you you gotta go to Elizabeth New Jersey High Street and Third Avenue Spirito's Italian Restaurant walk in the front door and look to the left and there's a 40's you know phone booth in there it's like a little house Wow okay alright You guys are in the city you go to Elizabeth you'll have the best homemade chicken parm and ravioli you'll ever eat Well tell me this you gotta bring butter they
[52:29.150 --> 52:35.150]  [SPEAKER_01]: got the bread but you gotta bring your own butter gotta bring your own butter how interesting but now when you go into the phone is there still a phone in there?
[52:35.610 --> 52:38.390]  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah yeah yeah the phone's still in there yeah Does it work?
[52:38.650 --> 52:43.370]  [SPEAKER_03]: It's not working no you gotta go check it out Well maybe we can help fix it let's get the phone working
[52:59.870 --> 53:22.950]  [SPEAKER_03]: tone phone and I was wondering I couldn't make it to the maker fair but could you guys tell me where I could please get the replacement headset because where the male plug goes into the female head receiver you hold it to your ear it's broken there and the thing it's horrible and I've tried gluing it Have you looked on eBay?
[53:23.830 --> 53:24.270]  [SPEAKER_03]: Huh?
[53:24.490 --> 53:29.130]  [SPEAKER_08]: Have you looked at auction sites like eBay and places where you might find used parts?
[53:29.750 --> 53:30.810]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, that's what I was saying.
[53:30.890 --> 53:32.630]  [SPEAKER_03]: Did they have all that stuff at Jamaica Fair?
[53:33.250 --> 53:46.190]  [SPEAKER_08]: It's not really like a swap meet in that sense, but you can definitely trade notes with collectors and people that do know where, you know, there might be a pile of stuff that is of the same model and make.
[53:46.190 --> 53:48.610]  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think what Kyle suggests is the best solution.
[53:48.610 --> 53:54.270]  [SPEAKER_01]: Just go onto eBay, type CommDial into the search bar, and you'll be surprised at the number of things you see.
[53:54.750 --> 53:56.430]  [SPEAKER_03]: But I've got to tell you one other thing.
[53:56.570 --> 54:00.690]  [SPEAKER_03]: You're damn right about payphones, because I don't give a damn.
[54:01.070 --> 54:13.170]  [SPEAKER_03]: A lot of towns you go in, like when we go out west to forest fires, years ago, the most important thing you did when you got a break and went to town to call your family and your loved ones, you had to find a store.
[54:13.330 --> 54:17.330]  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, I'd always find a Ben Franklin in Idaho, Montana, California, whatever.
[54:17.590 --> 54:17.830]  [SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
[54:17.870 --> 54:22.310]  [SPEAKER_03]: And you had to get a roll of quarters, because there was no cell phones or nothing, so you could run to...
[54:22.310 --> 54:24.530]  [SPEAKER_03]: It was like lines at the payphones, right?
[54:24.790 --> 54:25.170]  [SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh.
[54:25.410 --> 54:28.470]  [SPEAKER_03]: But they really should get some payphones back, because it...
[54:28.470 --> 54:32.610]  [SPEAKER_03]: But the other thing is, when you travel, you should always have a CB radio with you.
[54:33.130 --> 54:34.830]  [SPEAKER_03]: Because I don't care where you're at.
[54:35.370 --> 54:37.210]  [SPEAKER_03]: Somebody's going to hear you and get help to you.
[54:37.870 --> 54:40.470]  [SPEAKER_01]: Or ham radios, too, if you're at home, certainly.
[54:40.470 --> 54:47.030]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, no, but I'm just talking about, like, if you're out traveling or on the road, a CB radio is always a plus to have.
[54:47.250 --> 54:50.990]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, definitely a good backup for wireless in general.
[54:51.190 --> 55:01.050]  [SPEAKER_08]: And, yeah, I just would second what you're saying about the criticality of having communications like that out in the field.
[55:01.230 --> 55:09.010]  [SPEAKER_08]: One of the sections that is so popular, as Emmanuel mentioned earlier, is our payphone section.
[55:09.010 --> 55:11.370]  [SPEAKER_08]: And we continue to get a lot of submissions.
[55:12.650 --> 55:21.010]  [SPEAKER_08]: Usually, the most interesting places tend to be like islands and rural areas, because it is a lifeline in that sense for those communities.
[55:21.250 --> 55:28.930]  [SPEAKER_08]: Not everyone there necessarily has their own sort of line in the house or a wireless service, even.
[55:28.930 --> 55:37.750]  [SPEAKER_08]: And it's sort of a community hub for communicating and getting through life, you know, interacting.
[55:38.010 --> 55:44.870]  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, and one place where payphones still exist, actually, in Manhattan, by the way, are the federal courts.
[55:45.030 --> 55:46.410]  [SPEAKER_07]: I can't believe I forgot this until now.
[55:46.630 --> 55:46.670]  [SPEAKER_07]: Really?
[55:46.670 --> 55:50.990]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, because you have to hand in your cell phones, literally, to federal marshals when you go in there.
[55:51.070 --> 55:57.930]  [SPEAKER_07]: So if you need to use the phone in the courthouse without having to go and retrieve your phone, and if you retrieve your phone, you have to leave immediately.
[55:58.110 --> 56:00.450]  [SPEAKER_07]: Then you would have to go back in through the metal detector.
[56:00.590 --> 56:03.670]  [SPEAKER_07]: This whole process, especially at the Southern District, takes a long time.
[56:03.910 --> 56:06.510]  [SPEAKER_07]: There's still payphones there, and people actually still use them.
[56:06.990 --> 56:26.610]  [SPEAKER_07]: There was even this scene during one of the Michael Cohen proceedings where it was announced that Sean Hannity was his other client when you saw all the reporters sitting in the galley literally get up and rush out to go and use the payphones to call in the story that Sean Hannity was Michael Cohen's other secretive client.
[56:26.930 --> 56:28.770]  [SPEAKER_07]: So, yeah, they still exist in federal court.
[56:28.910 --> 56:32.470]  [SPEAKER_07]: It's probably the only place in Manhattan where you can find these working payphones.
[56:32.590 --> 56:34.250]  [SPEAKER_01]: So, okay, well, there is the evidence right there.
[56:34.250 --> 56:37.650]  [SPEAKER_01]: If they can do it for federal courts, they can do it for individual citizens.
[56:37.910 --> 56:39.990]  [SPEAKER_01]: If there's a need for something, they can make it work.
[56:40.330 --> 56:42.410]  [SPEAKER_01]: Carla, thank you very much, and thanks for the memories.
[56:42.610 --> 56:43.190]  [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, Manuel, real quick.
[56:43.270 --> 56:43.450]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[56:43.490 --> 56:44.670]  [SPEAKER_03]: Real quick about the payphones, right?
[56:45.270 --> 56:57.770]  [SPEAKER_03]: Like in McCall, Idaho, and like in places in Montana, like if you got like a back, like a dirt road where there's a bunch of homes, they'll have a payphone that the whole neighborhood uses, right?
[56:58.510 --> 56:58.910]  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[56:59.590 --> 57:01.550]  [SPEAKER_03]: In certain places, because we've seen them.
[57:01.550 --> 57:16.050]  [SPEAKER_03]: But the other thing you said about the 911 calls, and I'm a fireman, you don't know how many times I was the first one in my own vehicle going to the scene and had to tell people, you know, open the doors, turn the fan on because they're smoking in there.
[57:16.170 --> 57:19.930]  [SPEAKER_03]: I said when 911 comes in, they're going to not be worrying about the fire.
[57:20.050 --> 57:21.750]  [SPEAKER_03]: They're going to look in the lock your tail up.
[57:22.830 --> 57:31.050]  [SPEAKER_03]: So, so that's a good thing you said that because once you invite them, you're welcome to come in and like you said, if something's laying around, you're done, right?
[57:31.270 --> 57:31.590]  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[57:31.650 --> 57:32.630]  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's a good note to end on.
[57:32.750 --> 57:33.910]  [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks so much for that call.
[57:33.910 --> 57:35.930]  [SPEAKER_01]: And thanks, everybody, for listening.
[57:36.530 --> 57:38.790]  [SPEAKER_01]: Write to us, oth@2600.com.
[57:38.890 --> 57:46.610]  [SPEAKER_01]: Let me remind people that the first ever wireless emergency alert party taking place next Wednesday, starting at 1.30 p.m.
[57:46.630 --> 57:51.130]  [SPEAKER_01]: at the Commons Cafe downstairs, 388 Atlantic Avenue in Brooklyn.
[57:51.130 --> 58:00.030]  [SPEAKER_01]: We'll be awaiting the first ever wireless emergency alert test that goes to everybody's cell phone next Wednesday afternoon.
[58:00.390 --> 58:04.170]  [SPEAKER_01]: For more information, follow us on Twitter, Hacker Radio Show or 2600.
[58:04.790 --> 58:08.410]  [SPEAKER_01]: You can also write to us at oth@2600.com.
[58:08.770 --> 58:10.230]  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's going to do it for us tonight.
[58:10.630 --> 58:12.250]  [SPEAKER_01]: We will see you next week.
[58:12.590 --> 58:13.210]  Good night.