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[02:11.580 --> 02:12.880] [EVILCORLEY]: And a very good evening to everybody.
[02:13.000 --> 02:14.580] [EVILCORLEY]: The program is Off The Hook.
[02:14.780 --> 02:16.960] [EVILCORLEY]: Emmanuel Goldstein here with you, joined tonight by Kyle.
[02:17.260 --> 02:17.540] [KYLEDROSDK]: Hello.
[02:18.780 --> 02:19.820] [EVILCORLEY]: Alex, where'd you go?
[02:20.740 --> 02:21.520] [EVILCORLEY]: There he is.
[02:22.200 --> 02:23.580] [EVILCORLEY]: I'm looking at an empty chair.
[02:23.800 --> 02:25.800] [EVILCORLEY]: Alex, welcome back to your chair.
[02:27.200 --> 02:27.800] [EVILCORLEY]: Rob T. Firefly.
[02:29.220 --> 02:30.020] [ROBVINCENT]: Good evening.
[02:30.420 --> 02:30.820] [EVILCORLEY]: And Gila.
[02:31.400 --> 02:32.020] [GILADRAZEN]: Good evening.
[02:32.520 --> 02:33.600] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, I'm glad we're all here.
[02:33.940 --> 02:36.440] [EVILCORLEY]: You know what a week from the day after tomorrow is?
[02:37.000 --> 02:37.880] [EVILCORLEY]: Anybody care to guess?
[02:39.340 --> 02:40.380] [EVILCORLEY]: Gila, it looks like you know.
[02:41.300 --> 02:41.660] [EVILCORLEY]: No?
[02:42.620 --> 02:43.260] [GILADRAZEN]: Yeah, no.
[02:43.300 --> 02:45.940] [GILADRAZEN]: A week from the day after tomorrow is July 1st.
[02:46.140 --> 02:46.820] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, no.
[02:46.900 --> 02:47.960] [EVILCORLEY]: Actually, it's July 2nd.
[02:48.920 --> 02:49.840] [EVILCORLEY]: But that's okay.
[02:50.140 --> 02:50.460] [GILADRAZEN]: Oh, right.
[02:50.640 --> 02:51.060] [GILADRAZEN]: Yeah, sorry.
[02:51.340 --> 02:54.220] [EVILCORLEY]: Because June doesn't have 31 days, as some of our representatives seem to think.
[02:54.620 --> 02:59.060] [EVILCORLEY]: But no, it's a week from the day after tomorrow is a week from Friday.
[02:59.060 --> 03:10.180] [EVILCORLEY]: And that would be the first Friday of July, the first Friday of the month, being traditionally the day that 2600 meetings happen, but have not happened for the past 15 months or so because of this damn pandemic.
[03:11.600 --> 03:18.880] [EVILCORLEY]: But we are starting tentatively to have meetings again beginning with July 2nd.
[03:19.000 --> 03:22.900] [EVILCORLEY]: We have heard from a few meetings that we'll be starting up.
[03:22.960 --> 03:25.580] [EVILCORLEY]: I think we're going to have maybe half a dozen.
[03:25.580 --> 03:28.440] [EVILCORLEY]: Far cry from what we have had in the past, obviously.
[03:28.440 --> 03:41.340] [EVILCORLEY]: But what we're doing is we're having meetings in places where the vaccination rate, where people are completely vaccinated, at a level of 40% or above.
[03:41.940 --> 03:47.460] [EVILCORLEY]: So while the United States qualifies, we're at like 45%, New York qualifies.
[03:47.700 --> 03:50.100] [EVILCORLEY]: A bunch of places don't, however.
[03:50.100 --> 03:57.620] [EVILCORLEY]: And it's for everyone's safety that we have to have some line that we don't cross.
[03:58.140 --> 04:02.680] [EVILCORLEY]: So if you've reached out to us, we will get back to you.
[04:02.960 --> 04:08.160] [EVILCORLEY]: You can go to 2600.com and go to the meeting section.
[04:08.460 --> 04:11.360] [EVILCORLEY]: I think, yeah, 2600.com/meetings will get you there.
[04:11.720 --> 04:15.240] [EVILCORLEY]: You can email meetings at 2600.com.
[04:15.240 --> 04:19.520] [EVILCORLEY]: You can tweet to 2600 meetings.
[04:20.280 --> 04:25.480] [EVILCORLEY]: But basically, we will begin phasing them in starting next...
[04:25.480 --> 04:27.480] [EVILCORLEY]: a week from this coming Friday.
[04:28.480 --> 04:32.760] [EVILCORLEY]: And we're only going to be adding the meetings that we have contact with.
[04:32.860 --> 04:37.780] [EVILCORLEY]: We won't be automatically re-adding your meeting if nobody says anything to us.
[04:37.840 --> 04:39.060] [EVILCORLEY]: So we're starting from scratch.
[04:39.320 --> 04:43.420] [EVILCORLEY]: So it's going to look like we have only a handful because we only will have a handful.
[04:43.420 --> 04:45.540] [EVILCORLEY]: But it'll build from there.
[04:46.080 --> 04:53.140] [EVILCORLEY]: And again, if you're in a place where it's below 40% of fully vaccinated people in the population, don't fret.
[04:53.360 --> 04:54.260] [EVILCORLEY]: You'll get there eventually.
[04:54.520 --> 05:00.500] [EVILCORLEY]: But we can't have meetings safely until we reach that particular plateau, that level.
[05:01.540 --> 05:05.240] [EVILCORLEY]: Any questions from our in-studio audience?
[05:06.100 --> 05:06.520] [EVILCORLEY]: Rob?
[05:06.620 --> 05:12.620] [ROBVINCENT]: Just a point of clarification for those of us in the New York City area who would like to go to the New York City meeting.
[05:12.620 --> 05:17.180] [ROBVINCENT]: And that is that we have still not completely nailed down the location.
[05:17.550 --> 05:19.320] [ROBVINCENT]: We are going right up to the line with this.
[05:19.460 --> 05:27.940] [ROBVINCENT]: But it's a matter of just confirming that a place that is available for us to get to will be open and functioning as a public space.
[05:28.100 --> 05:33.060] [ROBVINCENT]: So we've got some more phone calls and people to pester and get some answers.
[05:33.060 --> 05:40.240] [ROBVINCENT]: But keep an eye on nyc2600.net or nyc2600 on Twitter for updates on that.
[05:40.520 --> 05:55.840] [EVILCORLEY]: And just to give an example as to how even-handed we are applying this policy, the New York City meeting will not be listed if we don't hear back from them as far as where this is going to be in a certain amount of time before that Friday comes.
[05:56.460 --> 05:59.580] [EVILCORLEY]: What I suggest, Rob, though, is I know that we're dealing with...
[05:59.580 --> 06:02.060] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, the Citigroup Center is where we originally were.
[06:02.200 --> 06:03.060] [EVILCORLEY]: They're renovating.
[06:03.600 --> 06:05.860] [EVILCORLEY]: We moved over to the atrium half a block away.
[06:06.020 --> 06:07.260] [EVILCORLEY]: Now, apparently, they're renovating.
[06:07.860 --> 06:09.460] [EVILCORLEY]: Has that been verified that they are renovating?
[06:09.580 --> 06:10.780] [EVILCORLEY]: In fact, because I went to their website.
[06:10.880 --> 06:12.140] [EVILCORLEY]: I didn't see any mention of it.
[06:13.140 --> 06:16.320] [ROBVINCENT]: Yeah, it's been verified in person that they're still renovating.
[06:16.480 --> 06:21.480] [ROBVINCENT]: It's not known if they're going to be open in any capacity by the time we need them.
[06:21.620 --> 06:22.900] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, here's what I suggest.
[06:23.520 --> 06:28.000] [EVILCORLEY]: If they're renovating, you all can meet outside, you know, in that little courtyard area.
[06:28.260 --> 06:34.440] [EVILCORLEY]: And it's safer, actually, to be outside than inside for those people that are concerned about lingering viruses.
[06:35.440 --> 06:37.380] [EVILCORLEY]: And that's just a good starting point anyway.
[06:37.380 --> 06:43.380] [EVILCORLEY]: So, if that's the information that we have to go on, we're happy to spread that information around, too.
[06:43.560 --> 06:44.960] [EVILCORLEY]: So, that goes for any meeting, too.
[06:45.780 --> 06:48.960] [EVILCORLEY]: It does not have to be in the place that it was at before.
[06:49.380 --> 06:50.820] [EVILCORLEY]: It can be outdoors.
[06:50.820 --> 06:51.760] [EVILCORLEY]: We encourage that.
[06:52.200 --> 06:55.100] [EVILCORLEY]: It can be someplace else, perhaps more spacious.
[06:55.760 --> 06:58.400] [EVILCORLEY]: It can be in a whole different place.
[06:58.700 --> 07:00.480] [EVILCORLEY]: You know, it can be a whole different meeting, too.
[07:00.620 --> 07:05.800] [EVILCORLEY]: If you're starting a new meeting, you're welcome to contact us, as well, with that information.
[07:05.800 --> 07:08.900] [EVILCORLEY]: And we'll treat you as if you had had a meeting for 20 years.
[07:09.120 --> 07:10.220] [EVILCORLEY]: It's not a big deal.
[07:10.360 --> 07:18.580] [EVILCORLEY]: And on the issue of vaccinations, we obviously prefer people who are vaccinated come to the meetings.
[07:18.960 --> 07:24.200] [EVILCORLEY]: But we are not going to be asking for any kind of proof of that.
[07:24.300 --> 07:26.080] [EVILCORLEY]: And neither will anybody else at the meetings.
[07:26.220 --> 07:28.020] [EVILCORLEY]: The reason for that is nobody runs the meetings.
[07:28.140 --> 07:29.260] [EVILCORLEY]: The meetings run themselves.
[07:29.480 --> 07:30.660] [EVILCORLEY]: So nobody is in charge.
[07:30.900 --> 07:35.700] [EVILCORLEY]: Nobody's going to come up to you and demand to see your ID or any kind of information.
[07:35.800 --> 07:36.940] [EVILCORLEY]: that proves that you're vaccinated.
[07:37.140 --> 07:47.540] [EVILCORLEY]: We ask that you do the responsible thing and only come to a gathering of people while the pandemic is still raging across the planet if you're vaccinated.
[07:47.840 --> 07:53.440] [EVILCORLEY]: And if you're not, wait until it completely goes away or until you decide to get vaccinated.
[07:53.860 --> 07:55.920] [EVILCORLEY]: I don't think we can be any fairer than that.
[07:57.940 --> 07:58.460] [ROBVINCENT]: Absolutely.
[07:58.460 --> 07:59.680] [ROBVINCENT]: I think that's completely fair.
[07:59.840 --> 08:07.620] [ROBVINCENT]: And also, it's a fact of the meetings that they take place in a publicly accessible space where, you know, you don't need permission to be as such.
[08:07.760 --> 08:08.540] [ROBVINCENT]: So, yeah.
[08:09.380 --> 08:11.100] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, that's a good point, Rob.
[08:11.240 --> 08:16.840] [EVILCORLEY]: Because some meetings do take place in hackerspaces, which can have their own rules.
[08:16.980 --> 08:18.380] [EVILCORLEY]: We kind of turn a blind eye to that.
[08:18.520 --> 08:25.660] [EVILCORLEY]: We prefer that they be in public places because of exactly this kind of thing where there is nobody in charge.
[08:25.800 --> 08:26.780] [EVILCORLEY]: You put it in a hackerspace.
[08:27.100 --> 08:30.100] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, then people are in charge because there are people in charge of the hackerspace.
[08:30.100 --> 08:33.140] [EVILCORLEY]: Because it's, you know, kind of an uneasy balance.
[08:33.140 --> 08:35.280] [EVILCORLEY]: But it's worked up until now.
[08:35.600 --> 08:38.740] [EVILCORLEY]: I just... I'm worried that there might be some issues.
[08:38.900 --> 08:47.900] [EVILCORLEY]: So let's try and focus on public places as much as possible so people feel comfortable and so that we are introduced to more new people, hopefully, too.
[08:48.860 --> 08:51.080] [EVILCORLEY]: Again, 2600.com/meetings.
[08:51.480 --> 08:53.060] [EVILCORLEY]: 2600 meetings on Twitter.
[08:53.660 --> 08:56.360] [EVILCORLEY]: Email meetings at 2600.com.
[08:56.360 --> 08:58.320] [EVILCORLEY]: And we'll talk about it more next week.
[08:58.680 --> 09:03.360] [KYLEDROSDK]: And the whole point is to be able to meet and come back and meet regularly.
[09:03.660 --> 09:07.500] [KYLEDROSDK]: So we don't want to have anyone feel unwell or uncomfortable.
[09:07.500 --> 09:14.060] [KYLEDROSDK]: So if you are unsure or want to take precautions, you know, do that, too.
[09:14.280 --> 09:21.580] [KYLEDROSDK]: You know, just as you would ordinarily in a public space right now, depending, of course, on your region and area.
[09:21.740 --> 09:21.860] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[09:21.920 --> 09:23.420] [EVILCORLEY]: I mean, if you want to wear a mask, that's fine.
[09:23.600 --> 09:24.640] [EVILCORLEY]: That's perfectly okay.
[09:24.640 --> 09:31.480] [EVILCORLEY]: I know many places now are saying you don't have to wear a mask, but whatever you're comfortable with, that's the important thing.
[09:31.600 --> 09:38.120] [EVILCORLEY]: We're only having meetings in places where it's been deemed safe to meet with people without a mask on.
[09:38.260 --> 09:40.780] [EVILCORLEY]: So that's perfectly acceptable as well.
[09:41.000 --> 09:44.420] [EVILCORLEY]: But again, that 40 percent, we have to maintain that.
[09:44.860 --> 09:49.880] [EVILCORLEY]: And we'll keep an eye on what's happening.
[09:49.880 --> 09:53.580] [EVILCORLEY]: And hopefully this is a step back towards normalcy.
[09:53.860 --> 10:01.480] [EVILCORLEY]: And we'll see what happens in the months ahead as we prepare for hope next year and all kinds of other things.
[10:01.620 --> 10:02.760] [EVILCORLEY]: But I'm encouraged.
[10:02.920 --> 10:03.780] [EVILCORLEY]: I'm encouraged where we are.
[10:04.080 --> 10:12.260] [EVILCORLEY]: Country won't hit 70 percent of the at least one shot by July 4th, apparently, which is a shame.
[10:12.440 --> 10:13.560] [EVILCORLEY]: Really should be able to do that.
[10:13.560 --> 10:14.900] [EVILCORLEY]: It's not that difficult.
[10:15.300 --> 10:22.920] [EVILCORLEY]: And I think, you know, especially young people, if you're out there and you're hesitating, you really ought to make the move and do what's right.
[10:22.940 --> 10:32.880] [EVILCORLEY]: Because while you might be able to get through this easier than older people, you still could infect older people who are not vaccinated for one reason or another.
[10:32.880 --> 10:37.580] [EVILCORLEY]: Or even people who are vaccinated, because it is only about, what, 90, 94 percent.
[10:38.040 --> 10:41.440] [EVILCORLEY]: So that means there is a percentage where it's not effective.
[10:42.180 --> 10:46.540] [EVILCORLEY]: If we all do the responsible thing, we will get through this a lot quicker.
[10:47.840 --> 10:49.000] [EVILCORLEY]: Yes, Alex.
[10:50.520 --> 10:58.220] [ALEXURBELS]: On that note, I don't know if you guys saw this because you're not in the city all the time.
[10:58.900 --> 11:00.740] [ALEXURBELS]: And certainly haven't been out that regularly.
[11:00.860 --> 11:02.020] [EVILCORLEY]: You don't know where we are.
[11:04.240 --> 11:05.660] [ALEXURBELS]: Oh, I do know where you are.
[11:05.760 --> 11:06.440] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, turn around.
[11:07.200 --> 11:07.320] [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah.
[11:07.960 --> 11:08.560] [EVILCORLEY]: Turn around?
[11:08.720 --> 11:09.120] [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah, turn around.
[11:09.760 --> 11:10.000] [ALEXURBELS]: Uh-huh.
[11:11.020 --> 11:11.400] [EVILCORLEY]: Hi there.
[11:12.680 --> 11:13.040] [ALEXURBELS]: Okay.
[11:13.580 --> 11:15.240] [EVILCORLEY]: But you don't know where we are.
[11:15.360 --> 11:16.340] [EVILCORLEY]: I mean, you really don't.
[11:16.480 --> 11:17.020] [EVILCORLEY]: But go ahead.
[11:18.100 --> 11:20.940] [ALEXURBELS]: I guess that could just be a background, a familiar background.
[11:21.220 --> 11:24.340] [ALEXURBELS]: You know, one of these pseudo-Zoom backgrounds or something.
[11:24.440 --> 11:25.240] [ALEXURBELS]: Take nothing for granted.
[11:25.540 --> 11:27.960] [KYLEDROSDK]: We've learned a few things, you know, in the last...
[11:27.960 --> 11:29.260] [EVILCORLEY]: We're really good at some things.
[11:29.460 --> 11:31.560] [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah, the last couple of weeks, couple of months.
[11:32.940 --> 11:34.240] [ALEXURBELS]: Well, that's good.
[11:34.420 --> 11:36.460] [ALEXURBELS]: You've got to strive to be a lifelong learner.
[11:36.560 --> 11:38.680] [ALEXURBELS]: I'm glad for both of you on that front.
[11:39.560 --> 11:48.120] [ALEXURBELS]: But in any sense, what I wanted to say was I got an interesting text message today from the city of New York about vaccines.
[11:48.280 --> 11:56.600] [ALEXURBELS]: And apparently, I signed up for this COVID email, not email, text messaging list last year when things were going crazy.
[11:56.840 --> 12:04.400] [ALEXURBELS]: But now, apparently, anybody, any resident of the city of New York can request an at-home vaccination appointment.
[12:04.800 --> 12:08.240] [ALEXURBELS]: You can just call up and somebody comes to your house and vaccinates you.
[12:08.400 --> 12:13.300] [ALEXURBELS]: And what's more is you get to choose whatever vaccine you want.
[12:13.820 --> 12:14.240] [ALEXURBELS]: Oh, neat.
[12:14.240 --> 12:14.700] [ALEXURBELS]: Wow.
[12:15.020 --> 12:17.580] [ALEXURBELS]: Between Pfizer, Moderna, or Johnson & Johnson.
[12:17.720 --> 12:18.480] [ALEXURBELS]: You can specify.
[12:18.820 --> 12:19.880] [ALEXURBELS]: Just pretty awesome.
[12:20.280 --> 12:24.760] [EVILCORLEY]: Is this only in New York City or is this throughout New York or throughout the country?
[12:25.520 --> 12:28.100] [ALEXURBELS]: I think it's only the city of New York, unfortunately.
[12:28.400 --> 12:31.920] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, this is great for people who are shut-ins or people who can't get away for one reason or another.
[12:32.060 --> 12:32.200] [EVILCORLEY]: Gila?
[12:32.840 --> 12:36.780] [GILADRAZEN]: But now, if you can order your shot, will they, like, bring you a sandwich, too?
[12:37.380 --> 12:37.780] [KYLEDROSDK]: Wow.
[12:38.100 --> 12:39.380] [KYLEDROSDK]: That didn't take long, did it?
[12:39.520 --> 12:43.440] [KYLEDROSDK]: I feel like this is an ice cream truck sort of territory.
[12:44.100 --> 12:48.000] [EVILCORLEY]: I just hope that we don't see a prevalence of vaxing.
[12:48.240 --> 12:48.740] [EVILCORLEY]: You know what I mean?
[12:48.820 --> 12:55.380] [EVILCORLEY]: It's like swatting where you send a vax team out to somebody who doesn't want it and they have to deal.
[12:55.480 --> 12:57.140] [EVILCORLEY]: No, why do I think about this immediately?
[12:57.540 --> 13:04.480] [EVILCORLEY]: But I just hope they have some security precautions that prove that you are, in fact, the person requesting this.
[13:04.620 --> 13:06.920] [EVILCORLEY]: Otherwise, it could get very unpleasant very quickly.
[13:07.360 --> 13:08.080] [ALEXURBELS]: Well, it could.
[13:08.220 --> 13:16.840] [ALEXURBELS]: There is supposed to be a confirmation phone call that is given to the person who is going to be potentially vaxed in order to confirm dates.
[13:16.840 --> 13:25.600] [ALEXURBELS]: And it does seem like they're anticipating some kind of backlog for this because they said it may take a couple of weeks after you fill out the form online in order for somebody to call you back.
[13:26.080 --> 13:41.980] [ALEXURBELS]: But I guess the way around this, from a security perspective, though, would be if you were going to vax somebody like you were swatting somebody, you would probably provide a bogus Google number that belonged to you and not to the other person that you were vaxing,
[13:42.060 --> 13:42.440] [ALEXURBELS]: so to speak.
[13:42.440 --> 13:44.500] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, so that really wouldn't do much good, would it?
[13:44.540 --> 13:46.840] [EVILCORLEY]: Because they'd verify the number that you give them.
[13:47.000 --> 13:48.860] [EVILCORLEY]: And of course, that's going to work out.
[13:49.680 --> 13:50.260] [ALEXURBELS]: That's right.
[13:50.660 --> 14:00.740] [KYLEDROSDK]: I would focus on doing this for people that are just basically having trouble with the process itself and actually do want help with it.
[14:01.480 --> 14:02.820] [KYLEDROSDK]: It just seems like a lot of work.
[14:03.220 --> 14:07.480] [EVILCORLEY]: And, you know, I guess if somebody visits a house with a vaccine, it's not the worst thing in the world.
[14:07.600 --> 14:08.220] [EVILCORLEY]: It's just a waste.
[14:08.280 --> 14:09.540] [EVILCORLEY]: But please, people don't do that.
[14:09.700 --> 14:11.380] [KYLEDROSDK]: They are perishable, I think.
[14:11.380 --> 14:11.740] [KYLEDROSDK]: Well, yeah.
[14:11.820 --> 14:23.160] [EVILCORLEY]: But I mean, it's better than having a team of armed men kick down your door because it's harder to back out of that gracefully and get on with your lives.
[14:23.500 --> 14:25.240] [EVILCORLEY]: So, yeah, this is a good thing.
[14:25.420 --> 14:32.280] [EVILCORLEY]: And hopefully it spreads throughout the country and people are able to get vaccines delivered to them if they're not able to go out and get them themselves.
[14:33.180 --> 14:35.400] [EVILCORLEY]: It's a pretty good idea, I think.
[14:35.660 --> 14:36.220] [EVILCORLEY]: Yes, go ahead, Gila.
[14:36.720 --> 14:39.280] [GILADRAZEN]: I'm just going to say that the whole thing is fantastic.
[14:39.280 --> 14:50.420] [GILADRAZEN]: I was just looking at the sign-up form, which says we're going to forward this information to all the various city organizations, the departments that are going to coordinate on this.
[14:50.500 --> 14:52.440] [GILADRAZEN]: So it may take a few weeks for you to get a phone call.
[14:52.600 --> 15:00.260] [GILADRAZEN]: So if you tried to set this up for someone else, besides all the fail-safes, I think it would just be a very sort of delayed prank.
[15:00.460 --> 15:02.120] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, you'd have to play the long game on this.
[15:02.280 --> 15:03.200] [EVILCORLEY]: You really do.
[15:03.340 --> 15:04.300] [GILADRAZEN]: You really, really do.
[15:04.420 --> 15:04.620] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[15:05.260 --> 15:09.760] [EVILCORLEY]: I'll stop thinking the worst of people and just assume that everyone is going to be responsible.
[15:10.820 --> 15:11.220] [EVILCORLEY]: Why?
[15:11.400 --> 15:12.300] [EVILCORLEY]: Why am I doing this again?
[15:12.320 --> 15:14.200] [EVILCORLEY]: I always get disappointed whenever I do this.
[15:15.200 --> 15:15.900] [EVILCORLEY]: Fingers crossed.
[15:16.100 --> 15:17.160] [EVILCORLEY]: I hope it works out.
[15:17.280 --> 15:18.560] [EVILCORLEY]: I hope more people get vaccinated.
[15:20.460 --> 15:22.640] [EVILCORLEY]: I hope we reach on with this already.
[15:24.440 --> 15:25.140] [EVILCORLEY]: That's my hope.
[15:25.420 --> 15:26.360] [EVILCORLEY]: Alex, did you have something?
[15:27.760 --> 15:28.200] [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah.
[15:28.200 --> 15:40.260] [ALEXURBELS]: This gives me, I think, great hope, especially walking around the city and walking around Manhattan over this past week has been really incredible, too, because there are just so many people out on the streets again.
[15:40.420 --> 15:44.220] [ALEXURBELS]: And a lot of people outside, I would say most of them aren't wearing masks right now.
[15:44.340 --> 15:48.140] [ALEXURBELS]: We've got a lot of people that are vaccinated, still going inside stores and whatnot.
[15:48.140 --> 15:49.540] [ALEXURBELS]: People should be wearing masks.
[15:49.860 --> 15:56.280] [ALEXURBELS]: But the city on the whole, I think, feels like an entirely different place than it did six months ago.
[15:56.480 --> 16:02.900] [ALEXURBELS]: And it's in large part because of the vaccination efforts that have been happening.
[16:02.900 --> 16:04.780] [EVILCORLEY]: But it's exclusively.
[16:05.060 --> 16:05.940] [EVILCORLEY]: And what else could it be?
[16:06.120 --> 16:08.860] [EVILCORLEY]: Obviously, that's the reason why it's now safe to walk around.
[16:09.000 --> 16:19.800] [EVILCORLEY]: And it is safe to go in places without masks, depending on what their policy is, depending on where you are in the country, because I've seen a number of places that are allowing that now.
[16:20.040 --> 16:25.940] [EVILCORLEY]: So it's, you know, I was in the supermarket the other day and it's only a couple of people were wearing masks.
[16:26.020 --> 16:30.200] [EVILCORLEY]: And I think if you if you're not vaccinated, the responsible thing to do is continue wearing a mask.
[16:30.380 --> 16:34.220] [EVILCORLEY]: And if you're not, well, it seems like it might be OK inside.
[16:34.420 --> 16:35.560] [EVILCORLEY]: And it is certainly OK outside.
[16:36.860 --> 16:53.500] [ALEXURBELS]: In terms of progress, though, I mean, again, this is just incredibly great hope, because remember, just a few short months ago on this very program, we were talking about some of the domains that I had identified that were promoting at home vaccination for a fee that were entirely 100 percent scams.
[16:53.900 --> 16:57.880] [ALEXURBELS]: Now, here we are dealing with at home vaccinations for residents of the city of New York.
[16:58.020 --> 17:00.680] [ALEXURBELS]: And that's that's the reality of all of this.
[17:00.760 --> 17:05.040] [ALEXURBELS]: We've come a huge way in a very few short number of months.
[17:05.140 --> 17:11.700] [ALEXURBELS]: And I think this is this is a pretty amazing feat for the for the city of New York to have accomplished.
[17:11.700 --> 17:14.280] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, what are the domains that were scams?
[17:14.500 --> 17:15.580] [EVILCORLEY]: What are they doing now?
[17:15.900 --> 17:17.540] [EVILCORLEY]: Because it's no longer a scam.
[17:18.200 --> 17:19.940] [EVILCORLEY]: So I feel bad for them.
[17:20.120 --> 17:20.700] [EVILCORLEY]: What are they?
[17:20.920 --> 17:22.460] [EVILCORLEY]: What do they have on their websites?
[17:23.200 --> 17:25.260] [ALEXURBELS]: Well, we'll have to take a look at those again.
[17:25.440 --> 17:26.720] [ALEXURBELS]: I don't remember them off the top of my head.
[17:26.800 --> 17:31.740] [ALEXURBELS]: But if I can find some of them during the show, well, we'll maybe we'll revisit those during Overtime.
[17:31.900 --> 17:34.540] [EVILCORLEY]: How did you know they were scams before they actually did anything?
[17:35.340 --> 17:36.800] [EVILCORLEY]: Can you tell by the name somehow?
[17:37.480 --> 17:46.920] [ALEXURBELS]: You could tell by the names, you could tell by the domains, the registration information, the setup of the page, as well as the 800 numbers that were associated with these particular services.
[17:47.040 --> 17:50.300] [EVILCORLEY]: How does any of that indicate that they're scam artists?
[17:50.940 --> 18:07.680] [ALEXURBELS]: Well, you could see this replicated across other domains that also were used as part of either disinformation fraudulent or the domains are registered by a network of squatters or threat actors that were looking to capitalize on vaccination efforts.
[18:07.680 --> 18:17.140] [ALEXURBELS]: We can group those types of registrations together and find clusters of domains that, you know, obviously belong to the same network or same group of bad actors.
[18:17.320 --> 18:18.500] [ALEXURBELS]: So there's lots of different ways.
[18:18.580 --> 18:31.580] [ALEXURBELS]: And also just looking at the at the content, you know, the contents itself, even though I think the copy was pretty well written, the contents itself was pretty janky and and looked a lot like a scam.
[18:31.580 --> 18:35.100] [ALEXURBELS]: And you can you can see these things materialize if you track them over time.
[18:35.420 --> 18:40.520] [EVILCORLEY]: And when you say they're bad actors, obviously, something has to tell you that they're bad actors.
[18:40.680 --> 18:42.480] [EVILCORLEY]: Is it because of something they've done in the past?
[18:42.600 --> 18:45.200] [EVILCORLEY]: Is it simply because of the way they're phrasing things?
[18:45.360 --> 18:46.980] [EVILCORLEY]: What is it that that tips you off on that?
[18:47.800 --> 18:50.580] [ALEXURBELS]: Well, it looks like they're trying to exploit people, right?
[18:50.640 --> 18:51.780] [ALEXURBELS]: They're trying to steal money.
[18:51.780 --> 19:03.100] [ALEXURBELS]: You know, they were they were asking, I think it was something like $100 or $500 for a home visit for a vaccination at the time when that just did not exist.
[19:03.100 --> 19:08.720] [ALEXURBELS]: They were looking to either steal credit card numbers or steal actual funds at that particular time.
[19:08.840 --> 19:12.160] [ALEXURBELS]: So that's why I'm talking about they're bad actors because they're fraudsters.
[19:12.900 --> 19:13.420] [EVILCORLEY]: Interesting.
[19:14.340 --> 19:20.840] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, there might be a whole bunch of new domains that are being taken over now, since this has become reality.
[19:21.580 --> 19:25.980] [EVILCORLEY]: But hey, let's move on to to some of the better news because there is a little bit of good news.
[19:26.100 --> 19:27.100] [EVILCORLEY]: Sometimes we do have good news.
[19:27.240 --> 19:28.640] [EVILCORLEY]: We try not to give too much of it.
[19:28.840 --> 19:32.340] [EVILCORLEY]: But occasionally, it just overflows.
[19:33.240 --> 19:38.260] [EVILCORLEY]: Connecticut has become the first state to make all prison phone calls free.
[19:39.000 --> 19:47.280] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, imagine that free, not an incredible amount of money, not even what a regular phone call costs, but free.
[19:47.880 --> 19:58.280] [EVILCORLEY]: This addresses one of the biggest emotional and financial burdens faced by incarcerated people, and of course, their families as they merely try to stay in touch.
[19:58.800 --> 20:07.520] [EVILCORLEY]: The bill was signed into law by Governor Ned Lamont on Wednesday, last Wednesday, I believe, and could go into effect as early as July.
[20:08.000 --> 20:09.540] [EVILCORLEY]: That's according to supporters.
[20:09.820 --> 20:15.680] [EVILCORLEY]: It allows anyone who's incarcerated a minimum of 90 minutes a day of free calls.
[20:16.520 --> 20:21.800] [EVILCORLEY]: Democratic Representative Josh Elliott, one of the supporters of the legislation, says we're on the right side of history.
[20:22.440 --> 20:29.620] [EVILCORLEY]: Corporations can no longer be allowed to exploit the love between incarcerated people and their families, not in our state, not on our watch.
[20:30.200 --> 20:33.080] [EVILCORLEY]: And I think that is an important thing to point out.
[20:33.080 --> 20:39.880] [EVILCORLEY]: If you are going to get arrested, make it Connecticut, because that way you're assured that you'll be able to make a free phone call, because this isn't true in New York.
[20:40.020 --> 20:41.100] [EVILCORLEY]: It's not true in other states.
[20:42.300 --> 20:45.360] [EVILCORLEY]: And you have to ask yourself, who would be against this?
[20:45.600 --> 20:47.380] [EVILCORLEY]: I mean, I know who will be against this.
[20:47.580 --> 20:49.680] [EVILCORLEY]: The same people are against everything that makes sense.
[20:49.800 --> 20:55.340] [EVILCORLEY]: But simply talking to people, why would we want to forbid that?
[20:55.600 --> 20:56.460] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, punishment.
[20:56.740 --> 20:57.540] [EVILCORLEY]: I get it.
[20:57.620 --> 21:04.900] [EVILCORLEY]: But their families and everybody that is connected to them in some way, communication is important.
[21:05.180 --> 21:22.580] [EVILCORLEY]: And when you make that, and this is something that I know well, because I've talked to many people who are behind bars, the whole Kevin Mitnick saga, Bernie S saga, all kinds of people that needed to reach out and convey important messages or just find out certain things for themselves and stay sane,
[21:22.740 --> 21:30.980] [EVILCORLEY]: cost a fortune, cost a hell of a lot of money, just to make contact, just to say a few things.
[21:31.140 --> 21:36.260] [EVILCORLEY]: And you are always cut off, which is still going to be the case, obviously.
[21:36.540 --> 21:38.600] [EVILCORLEY]: You are listened in on, still going to be the case.
[21:39.820 --> 21:51.540] [EVILCORLEY]: But to make it so prohibitively expensive for people that probably are the least able to be able to afford something like that, and I'm talking about the families of people of the incarcerated.
[21:52.520 --> 21:57.140] [EVILCORLEY]: We're talking $5 a minute some cases.
[21:57.860 --> 21:59.960] [EVILCORLEY]: It's just, it was highway robbery.
[22:00.120 --> 22:07.200] [EVILCORLEY]: That was the crime, as far as I was concerned, seeing how these companies just swooped in and took advantage of these people.
[22:07.320 --> 22:10.160] [EVILCORLEY]: So it's great to see us doing the right thing.
[22:10.960 --> 22:16.860] [EVILCORLEY]: Now, Connecticut is joining several jurisdictions nationwide that have taken steps to make prison and jail phone calls free.
[22:17.040 --> 22:21.060] [EVILCORLEY]: That includes New York City, San Francisco, San Diego, Los Angeles.
[22:21.300 --> 22:25.840] [EVILCORLEY]: So New York City, at least, is taking steps, but not New York State.
[22:26.960 --> 22:39.280] [EVILCORLEY]: This historic legislation will change lives, said Bianca Tylek, who's the executive director of Worth Rises, which has been working with local advocates, many of whom were directly impacted to slash prison phone costs.
[22:39.440 --> 22:44.920] [EVILCORLEY]: It will keep food on the table for struggling families, children in contact with their parents, and our communities safer.
[22:45.420 --> 22:47.020] [EVILCORLEY]: I see no bad in this.
[22:47.740 --> 22:48.680] [EVILCORLEY]: Rob, you?
[22:49.300 --> 23:08.440] [ROBVINCENT]: Yeah, I mean, people have, you know, people who haven't had direct interactions with the prison system or had a friend or a family member or someone they care about in prison and wanting to communicate with them might not be aware at just how predatory the entire business model around prison phone calls has built up over the decades.
[23:08.860 --> 23:10.060] [ROBVINCENT]: That is the one place.
[23:10.120 --> 23:16.740] [ROBVINCENT]: I mean, we live in a modern era now where phone calls in general, even long distance ones, even international ones are basically cheap as free.
[23:17.640 --> 23:28.400] [ROBVINCENT]: Prison phone calls were, you know, are the last, the last remaining bastion of really getting exploited, really getting, you know, charged unreasonable amounts for phone calls.
[23:28.480 --> 23:35.540] [ROBVINCENT]: And, you know, if you've got someone you communicate regularly with who, who has been incarcerated, that is a major pull on your budget.
[23:35.720 --> 23:44.180] [ROBVINCENT]: And that is also disproportionately affecting people who are poor, who don't have the means to, to, to pay for calls like this.
[23:44.260 --> 23:47.620] [ROBVINCENT]: So it's really, it's really a major injustice that's being addressed here.
[23:47.740 --> 23:48.980] [ROBVINCENT]: And it's way overdue.
[23:49.460 --> 23:49.940] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[23:50.060 --> 23:56.120] [EVILCORLEY]: And I know people are concerned with planning crimes from, from prison and things like that.
[23:56.500 --> 23:59.200] [EVILCORLEY]: Keep in mind, all these phone calls are still listened in on.
[23:59.380 --> 24:08.000] [EVILCORLEY]: So actually, if, if crimes are being planned, if that scenario actually plays out, kind of doing a favor to law enforcement, aren't they?
[24:08.160 --> 24:09.800] [EVILCORLEY]: By, by giving out information.
[24:10.280 --> 24:12.280] [EVILCORLEY]: So I don't think that is a valid concern.
[24:12.280 --> 24:14.860] [EVILCORLEY]: I think keeping people in touch is always a good thing.
[24:14.960 --> 24:25.780] [EVILCORLEY]: And as you know, a phone phreak, somebody who back in the eighties was just trying to get free phone calls everywhere when it cost a fortune to call New York city from long Island, let alone to call overseas.
[24:26.540 --> 24:28.200] [EVILCORLEY]: Now you can call everybody.
[24:28.420 --> 24:31.160] [EVILCORLEY]: You can talk to anybody around the world for nothing.
[24:31.480 --> 24:34.520] [EVILCORLEY]: You know, we won that battle and it's, it's incredible.
[24:34.760 --> 24:44.160] [EVILCORLEY]: And somehow the very companies that were screaming bloody murder, whenever people used a red box or a blue box or something to get around the system, those same companies are doing better than ever.
[24:44.820 --> 24:53.500] [EVILCORLEY]: So, um, when, when, uh, the corporations say that, um, uh, stealing their services is going to put them out of business, not necessarily true.
[24:53.680 --> 24:54.860] [EVILCORLEY]: They will find a way.
[24:54.860 --> 24:55.720] [EVILCORLEY]: They always do.
[24:55.880 --> 24:58.420] [EVILCORLEY]: And I think that's true of every communications company.
[24:58.860 --> 25:08.220] [KYLEDROSDK]: And, uh, corporations themselves are much better able to absorb the costs than individuals who may have other debt obligations.
[25:08.220 --> 25:16.720] [KYLEDROSDK]: And as we said, maybe disproportionately, um, uh, burdened, uh, by other socioeconomic factors.
[25:17.240 --> 25:20.260] [KYLEDROSDK]: So it's, uh, really cruel.
[25:20.860 --> 25:25.180] [EVILCORLEY]: Hey, um, I want to ask you guys, uh, cause you're in the city.
[25:25.500 --> 25:27.140] [EVILCORLEY]: Um, and we're somewhere else.
[25:27.220 --> 25:33.760] [EVILCORLEY]: We still don't know where we are, but we're somewhere else, but you're in, uh, well, actually Alex, I know you're not in the city right now, but I know you came from the city.
[25:34.380 --> 25:41.800] [EVILCORLEY]: Um, you guys vote in the, uh, in the first, uh, election that used, uh, the, uh, multiple, uh, well, what do we call it again?
[25:41.860 --> 25:42.640] [EVILCORLEY]: It's not multiple choice.
[25:42.760 --> 25:48.620] [EVILCORLEY]: It's, uh, ranked choice, ranked choice where you get to choose five candidates It's in order.
[25:49.220 --> 25:53.960] [EVILCORLEY]: And if your candidate doesn't win, well, then your second vote gets counted.
[25:54.560 --> 25:57.320] [EVILCORLEY]: And it's really a very democratic system.
[25:57.420 --> 25:59.840] [EVILCORLEY]: In fact, here at Pacifica, we've been using that system for a while.
[26:00.260 --> 26:02.740] [EVILCORLEY]: And it's come in very handy.
[26:02.920 --> 26:03.860] [EVILCORLEY]: It's very effective.
[26:03.860 --> 26:06.580] [EVILCORLEY]: And it reflects the mood of the people.
[26:06.720 --> 26:08.200] [EVILCORLEY]: But did you guys take part in this?
[26:09.420 --> 26:10.580] [GILADRAZEN]: I did.
[26:10.720 --> 26:15.620] [GILADRAZEN]: I went and I voted last night at the high school, which is our polling place.
[26:16.320 --> 26:23.720] [GILADRAZEN]: And I texted Rob because our precinct was the only one that had a line.
[26:23.920 --> 26:25.460] [GILADRAZEN]: And I found out why.
[26:26.060 --> 26:32.420] [GILADRAZEN]: Because one of our precinct captains was explaining the ballot to everyone.
[26:33.240 --> 26:35.860] [GILADRAZEN]: She said to me, do you know how to do this?
[26:35.980 --> 26:37.380] [GILADRAZEN]: And I said, yes.
[26:37.660 --> 26:39.540] [GILADRAZEN]: And she explained it to me anyway.
[26:39.700 --> 26:39.960] [EVILCORLEY]: Wow.
[26:40.780 --> 26:44.380] [EVILCORLEY]: So one precinct captain can cause a line.
[26:45.640 --> 26:46.260] [GILADRAZEN]: Uh-huh.
[26:47.120 --> 26:50.140] [GILADRAZEN]: It was absolutely... it was fascinating.
[26:50.460 --> 26:54.020] [GILADRAZEN]: It was... people were more participatory than I'd ever seen them before.
[26:54.180 --> 26:55.640] [GILADRAZEN]: People were excited to be there.
[26:56.640 --> 27:01.140] [GILADRAZEN]: Everybody was wearing a mask except for the school safety officer, which I just thought was interesting.
[27:01.140 --> 27:01.480] [EVILCORLEY]: Wow.
[27:02.320 --> 27:02.660] [GILADRAZEN]: Yeah.
[27:03.320 --> 27:04.540] [GILADRAZEN]: Um... I got my sticker.
[27:04.880 --> 27:06.360] [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, I've never gotten a sticker.
[27:06.540 --> 27:07.660] [EVILCORLEY]: They've never offered me a sticker.
[27:07.900 --> 27:08.720] [EVILCORLEY]: I've never gotten one.
[27:09.300 --> 27:12.320] [GILADRAZEN]: I got one when I traded back my privacy cover.
[27:13.300 --> 27:17.020] [GILADRAZEN]: Um... the... the guy at the door said, I'll take your folder and here's a sticker.
[27:18.360 --> 27:20.720] [GILADRAZEN]: Um... it was overwhelming.
[27:20.980 --> 27:22.440] [GILADRAZEN]: And then... I've got mine too.
[27:22.440 --> 27:37.500] [GILADRAZEN]: And the thing that was very, very interesting was this morning, um, on the New York Times website, they were able to really break down by precinct how the votes came out, which I thought was absolutely incredible.
[27:37.660 --> 27:39.720] [EVILCORLEY]: But they still aren't able to tell who won.
[27:39.880 --> 27:43.140] [GILADRAZEN]: They cannot tell who the winner is because nobody got the plurality that they needed.
[27:43.140 --> 27:49.260] [GILADRAZEN]: But to say, here's how the votes broke, here's how the first choice votes broke, was fascinating.
[27:49.600 --> 27:49.840] [EVILCORLEY]: Uh-huh.
[27:49.940 --> 27:53.540] [GILADRAZEN]: And, um... this little map was so great.
[27:53.680 --> 27:55.620] [GILADRAZEN]: And there were precincts where people tied.
[27:55.840 --> 27:58.300] [GILADRAZEN]: And there were precincts where one person voted.
[27:58.860 --> 27:59.380] [EVILCORLEY]: Wow.
[27:59.400 --> 28:00.420] [EVILCORLEY]: Which was... yeah.
[28:01.060 --> 28:01.500] [GILADRAZEN]: Yeah.
[28:01.660 --> 28:03.240] [EVILCORLEY]: I want to know more about those precincts.
[28:03.340 --> 28:05.640] [EVILCORLEY]: I mean, nobody participated except one person?
[28:06.020 --> 28:10.200] [GILADRAZEN]: Well, it's also possible that people were not eligible to vote in the primary.
[28:10.200 --> 28:14.760] [GILADRAZEN]: Like, maybe that was an area... this was only the Democratic primary results that we're showing.
[28:14.920 --> 28:18.300] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, I would think there's more than one person registered in the Democratic Party in any precinct.
[28:18.600 --> 28:21.040] [GILADRAZEN]: I would think, but who knows?
[28:21.180 --> 28:23.240] [GILADRAZEN]: And then, you know, there's a little blank spot in Central Park.
[28:24.100 --> 28:24.800] [EVILCORLEY]: Very interesting.
[28:26.040 --> 28:39.480] [EVILCORLEY]: So, what I... I, you know, I'm naive as far as all this goes, but I'm curious if they're able to tell how the votes came out, how come they can't continue the calculation and say, okay, we cut off the last person.
[28:39.480 --> 28:40.500] [EVILCORLEY]: This is how it works.
[28:40.800 --> 28:42.400] [EVILCORLEY]: They cut off number five.
[28:43.700 --> 28:51.800] [EVILCORLEY]: And then we reallocate the votes based on the second choice and the third choice and the fourth and the fifth and recalculate.
[28:51.920 --> 28:53.680] [EVILCORLEY]: How come that doesn't take a few seconds?
[28:53.860 --> 28:56.580] [EVILCORLEY]: Why are we talking about not knowing results until July?
[28:59.380 --> 28:59.900] [EVILCORLEY]: I'm sorry.
[28:59.980 --> 29:01.080] [EVILCORLEY]: I didn't mean to ask you that, Gila.
[29:01.720 --> 29:03.140] [EVILCORLEY]: I'm not saying you know the answer.
[29:03.240 --> 29:03.640] [EVILCORLEY]: I'm just...
[29:03.640 --> 29:04.900] [EVILCORLEY]: It's just a general question.
[29:05.300 --> 29:05.600] [EVILCORLEY]: I do.
[29:05.820 --> 29:06.800] [EVILCORLEY]: Do you know the answer, Alex?
[29:06.800 --> 29:11.760] [ALEXURBELS]: I would say, yeah, I voted yesterday as well in the West Village.
[29:11.760 --> 29:12.320] [ALEXURBELS]: It was great.
[29:12.400 --> 29:22.060] [ALEXURBELS]: There was barely a line to get in, you know, but there were lots of people, you know, what is it, 100 yards away or whatever it is, you know, at the end of the block, handing out flyers for all the different candidates.
[29:22.140 --> 29:26.380] [ALEXURBELS]: It felt very festive, I guess, is one way of putting it.
[29:26.380 --> 29:40.760] [ALEXURBELS]: But one of the things, in terms of this rank choice voting, you know, what I'm curious about is people that get the complexity of it wrong, because the ballots themselves were a little bit confusing, you know, in terms of ranking.
[29:40.940 --> 29:53.160] [ALEXURBELS]: It was very easy, I think, to fill out the same column twice or have, you know, your third choice, perhaps, you know, overlap with your fourth choice because of the way in which the columns were set up.
[29:53.240 --> 29:54.040] [EVILCORLEY]: What do you mean overlap?
[29:54.040 --> 29:55.180] [EVILCORLEY]: How would that work?
[29:56.680 --> 30:13.340] [ALEXURBELS]: Well, let's say, you know, especially for mayor, right, there are a whole bunch of different candidates, and you're looking farther down the page, and let's say you're a third choice candidate, you want to be, I don't know, Mr. Smith, somebody who...
[30:13.340 --> 30:14.740] [EVILCORLEY]: He's a good candidate, Mr. Smith, yes.
[30:15.300 --> 30:16.120] [ALEXURBELS]: But you...
[30:16.120 --> 30:16.780] [ALEXURBELS]: He went to Washington.
[30:17.200 --> 30:33.220] [ALEXURBELS]: You accidentally put that in the fourth column, and then you tick the fourth column for somebody else, for Mr. Jane, or whomever, or Mr. Doe, that was farther up in the alphabet, so he was listed earlier.
[30:33.440 --> 30:37.660] [ALEXURBELS]: So what if you have two candidates listed for the same position?
[30:37.940 --> 30:40.440] [ALEXURBELS]: What I want to know is what happens to the ballot, then?
[30:40.780 --> 30:41.460] [EVILCORLEY]: The ballot's invalid.
[30:41.680 --> 30:46.240] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, it doesn't get accepted if you have two filled in for the same rank.
[30:46.240 --> 30:49.420] [EVILCORLEY]: You get it kicked back, and they say, do it right this time.
[30:50.760 --> 30:51.520] [EVILCORLEY]: That's what should happen.
[30:51.540 --> 30:52.000] [ALEXURBELS]: Is that right?
[30:52.180 --> 30:55.240] [ALEXURBELS]: It doesn't get accepted at the point of the scanning?
[30:55.320 --> 30:59.580] [EVILCORLEY]: When you put it in a little fax machine thing, yeah, it's supposed to kick it back if it's filled out wrong.
[31:00.180 --> 31:00.980] [ALEXURBELS]: Is that right?
[31:01.180 --> 31:02.060] [EVILCORLEY]: That's what I was told.
[31:02.900 --> 31:04.380] [ALEXURBELS]: Huh, because that would be very interesting.
[31:04.460 --> 31:05.940] [ALEXURBELS]: I wish I knew that, because I would have tried it.
[31:06.180 --> 31:08.620] [EVILCORLEY]: I'm sure you would have, but hopefully you just voted.
[31:08.760 --> 31:10.500] [EVILCORLEY]: That's all I'm hoping for.
[31:10.500 --> 31:19.300] [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah, I just voted, but I would have definitely tried that, because people are undoubtedly going to get confused, and if there's that kind of error correction, I think that's absolutely great.
[31:19.560 --> 31:26.400] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, I think this is one of the reasons why Gila's precinct captain was actually doing a service, because people are going to get confused.
[31:26.400 --> 31:30.820] [EVILCORLEY]: They're going to do things wrong, even if you think you understand it, especially if it's the first time.
[31:31.160 --> 31:36.400] [EVILCORLEY]: But guaranteed, the more people do this, the more used to it they'll get, and the more they'll realize this is the way to do it.
[31:36.440 --> 31:41.280] [EVILCORLEY]: This is the way to make your vote count more than just yes or no.
[31:41.280 --> 31:49.320] [EVILCORLEY]: It's basically, okay, I didn't get my first choice, my second choice now means something, and at least I have a say in that.
[31:49.320 --> 31:51.020] [EVILCORLEY]: So I think it's a really, really good step.
[31:52.180 --> 31:53.640] [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah, I agree.
[31:54.040 --> 32:09.640] [ALEXURBELS]: You know, the other thing that I think we should all be mindful of, too, is that during this time period where there's so much focus on the primary when it comes to the mayor, there is this assumption that it's automatically going to be a Democrat who wins the actual election.
[32:09.640 --> 32:13.980] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, seven to one Democrat versus Republican registration in New York City.
[32:14.160 --> 32:15.620] [EVILCORLEY]: It's just, I guess, an assumption.
[32:16.120 --> 32:18.080] [EVILCORLEY]: And plus, look at the candidates.
[32:18.420 --> 32:18.880] [EVILCORLEY]: You know what?
[32:19.120 --> 32:21.380] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, I don't want to get insulting here, but fine.
[32:21.540 --> 32:24.440] [EVILCORLEY]: Let's assume that, yeah, there's a chance that a Republican could win.
[32:25.040 --> 32:26.880] [ALEXURBELS]: We've had Republican mayors in the past.
[32:26.960 --> 32:28.140] [EVILCORLEY]: We have, and we've learned.
[32:28.520 --> 32:30.700] [EVILCORLEY]: We're never going to make that mistake again, hopefully.
[32:31.600 --> 32:31.900] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[32:32.980 --> 32:38.340] [EVILCORLEY]: And the reason why there wasn't ranked choice for the Republican side was because there are only two candidates, and it doesn't work.
[32:39.020 --> 32:39.640] [EVILCORLEY]: It's weird.
[32:39.740 --> 32:42.320] [EVILCORLEY]: You would think there would be 50 candidates, but no, only two.
[32:42.580 --> 32:43.800] [EVILCORLEY]: And yes, go ahead, Rob.
[32:44.720 --> 32:56.280] [ROBVINCENT]: I just, I empathize with Gila's poll worker because I was, I worked as a poll worker where I used to live on Long Island many, many years ago when electronic voting was still pretty new.
[32:56.280 --> 33:02.280] [ROBVINCENT]: And so you had to explain the whole thing to people who walked in expecting the old analog light blue lever-based machines.
[33:03.440 --> 33:15.680] [ROBVINCENT]: And as anyone who's worked in, like, InfoSec can tell you, you cannot over-explain things to people when it comes to using, you know, doing something new, something that, you know, is outside the routine that they've been doing for years and years and years.
[33:15.900 --> 33:19.140] [ROBVINCENT]: So I'm sure that it was just automatic to explain it to everybody.
[33:19.200 --> 33:25.580] [ROBVINCENT]: I feel left out this time around, though, because I didn't get to vote in this primary because I am not a member of a party, so I have nothing to do with it.
[33:25.580 --> 33:31.280] [EVILCORLEY]: And I think that's very unfair that people who aren't members of parties don't get a say in any of these elections.
[33:31.420 --> 33:34.760] [EVILCORLEY]: Some states, that's not the case, but it's, I'm in the same boat as you.
[33:34.940 --> 33:41.100] [EVILCORLEY]: I don't believe in registering with a party, but that locks me out of having any say before actual election day comes around.
[33:42.840 --> 33:43.940] [ROBVINCENT]: Yeah, it's saddening.
[33:44.080 --> 33:50.880] [ROBVINCENT]: And also, apparently, you have to be a member of the Democrat or Republican Party to be a poll worker in this city for this election.
[33:50.940 --> 33:54.040] [ROBVINCENT]: So I looked into that because I'd done it before.
[33:54.040 --> 33:55.700] [ROBVINCENT]: I was thinking, do I want to do it again?
[33:55.820 --> 33:57.800] [ROBVINCENT]: But no, I'm apparently ineligible now.
[33:58.640 --> 33:59.000] [EVILCORLEY]: Wow.
[33:59.120 --> 34:00.060] [EVILCORLEY]: I don't get that at all.
[34:00.200 --> 34:01.700] [EVILCORLEY]: Like, why would you be less eligible?
[34:01.700 --> 34:02.980] [EVILCORLEY]: Because you're not a member of the party?
[34:03.120 --> 34:04.780] [EVILCORLEY]: That's, it doesn't make any sense.
[34:05.500 --> 34:09.460] [GILADRAZEN]: Well, if you can't vote in it, would they think you would be more likely to cause mischief?
[34:10.460 --> 34:11.800] [GILADRAZEN]: Or, I have no idea.
[34:12.000 --> 34:13.180] [GILADRAZEN]: It's very, it's an interesting question.
[34:13.200 --> 34:14.280] [EVILCORLEY]: Because you think for yourself.
[34:14.620 --> 34:15.460] [EVILCORLEY]: They don't want that.
[34:16.660 --> 34:17.940] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, moving on.
[34:18.960 --> 34:19.920] [EVILCORLEY]: This headline.
[34:20.720 --> 34:24.400] [EVILCORLEY]: North Carolina 12-year-old's PlayStation account hacked, held for ransom.
[34:24.980 --> 34:28.080] [EVILCORLEY]: It's the kind of story you just have to find out more about, right?
[34:28.640 --> 34:30.520] [EVILCORLEY]: Why is this a headline at all?
[34:30.520 --> 34:31.320] [EVILCORLEY]: I just want to know.
[34:32.180 --> 34:34.180] [EVILCORLEY]: 12-year-old's PlayStation account hacked?
[34:34.660 --> 34:35.140] [EVILCORLEY]: Really?
[34:35.240 --> 34:36.040] [EVILCORLEY]: This is what we care about?
[34:36.460 --> 34:37.880] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, authorities in North...
[34:37.880 --> 34:38.360] [EVILCORLEY]: Authorities.
[34:38.600 --> 34:40.580] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, authorities are wasting time on this.
[34:40.580 --> 34:50.640] [EVILCORLEY]: Authorities in North Carolina are investigating a case of extortion and blackmail after someone hacked into a 12-year-old boy's PlayStation account, stealing his password, and locking him out.
[34:50.940 --> 35:01.080] [EVILCORLEY]: The boy's mom asked the TV station that's covering this story not to use his full name, but to use his nickname of J-Man.
[35:01.800 --> 35:03.540] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, that won't be hard to figure out, will it?
[35:03.660 --> 35:09.720] [EVILCORLEY]: J-Man said he was playing on his PS4 a few days ago when he was suddenly kicked out of his online account.
[35:10.620 --> 35:13.160] [EVILCORLEY]: You know, this happened to be on IRC about 20 years ago.
[35:13.280 --> 35:14.160] [EVILCORLEY]: I didn't call the cops.
[35:14.560 --> 35:15.600] [EVILCORLEY]: I got locked out.
[35:15.760 --> 35:21.240] [EVILCORLEY]: And, yeah, and people sent me nasty messages and said some very hurtful things.
[35:21.340 --> 35:23.820] [EVILCORLEY]: But I didn't call the damn cops, and I wasn't on the news.
[35:25.680 --> 35:26.940] [EVILCORLEY]: But I will get even.
[35:27.120 --> 35:28.300] [EVILCORLEY]: I'm still planning my revenge.
[35:28.880 --> 35:30.780] [EVILCORLEY]: Anyway, he says the alleged hacker...
[35:30.780 --> 35:32.400] [EVILCORLEY]: And what does this have to do with hacking?
[35:32.840 --> 35:33.400] [EVILCORLEY]: You know?
[35:34.080 --> 35:34.440] [EVILCORLEY]: It's...
[35:34.440 --> 35:35.200] [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, my God.
[35:35.200 --> 35:36.460] [EVILCORLEY]: That's a whole other issue.
[35:36.620 --> 35:42.900] [EVILCORLEY]: He says the alleged hacker then started making demands through Instagram that have gone on for days.
[35:43.320 --> 35:45.120] [EVILCORLEY]: Because that's how Instagram works.
[35:45.460 --> 35:56.840] [EVILCORLEY]: J-Man said he changed his password, or the hacker changed J-Man's password and the email so that he wouldn't receive anything about him changing it.
[35:57.920 --> 36:08.320] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, so he changed the password and the email so that he wouldn't get email about him changing the password.
[36:09.380 --> 36:12.900] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, good on you, J-Man, for figuring that out without the password or the email.
[36:13.060 --> 36:16.440] [EVILCORLEY]: But anyway, just like that, the almost 13-year-old...
[36:16.440 --> 36:18.800] [EVILCORLEY]: Wait, why are they calling him an almost 13-year-old when he's 12?
[36:18.980 --> 36:20.080] [EVILCORLEY]: Just call him a 12-year-old.
[36:20.120 --> 36:20.560] [EVILCORLEY]: He's 12.
[36:21.060 --> 36:22.380] [EVILCORLEY]: I mean, that's the whole point.
[36:22.440 --> 36:23.760] [EVILCORLEY]: That's the selling point of the story here.
[36:23.840 --> 36:25.620] [EVILCORLEY]: You're losing it by changing his age.
[36:25.620 --> 36:30.320] [EVILCORLEY]: He lost access to everything on his PS4 online profile.
[36:31.580 --> 36:35.060] [EVILCORLEY]: Guys, you know, I have nothing against gamers.
[36:35.860 --> 36:37.220] [EVILCORLEY]: I respect them.
[36:37.800 --> 36:39.280] [EVILCORLEY]: I am not one of them.
[36:39.400 --> 36:40.300] [EVILCORLEY]: I've never been one.
[36:40.960 --> 36:44.440] [EVILCORLEY]: I don't understand a lot of what goes on in the gaming world.
[36:44.440 --> 36:50.980] [EVILCORLEY]: But if you lose access to your PS4 online profile, is that really a cop-calling offense?
[36:50.980 --> 36:53.360] [EVILCORLEY]: Is that something that destroys your life?
[36:53.360 --> 36:58.240] [EVILCORLEY]: Is it just, you know, an inconvenience, a pain, something you might utter a profanity about?
[36:58.420 --> 37:01.320] [EVILCORLEY]: But, you know, can you get on with your life?
[37:01.520 --> 37:02.880] [EVILCORLEY]: Or how big a deal is it?
[37:02.960 --> 37:03.920] [EVILCORLEY]: Does anybody here know?
[37:06.340 --> 37:16.120] [ROBVINCENT]: I'm imagining there's maybe an aspect to it where if you lose access to your PlayStation stuff, can you still start up your machine at home, put a game in it, and play your own game on your own device?
[37:16.120 --> 37:19.660] [ROBVINCENT]: Or are you somehow locked out of this thing that exists in your house as an appliance?
[37:20.100 --> 37:25.860] [ROBVINCENT]: It's like, you know, if you get locked out of using your Wi-Fi-enabled clothes-washing machine or something.
[37:25.940 --> 37:29.300] [EVILCORLEY]: If you physically have access to it, how could you be locked out of it?
[37:29.600 --> 37:36.640] [KYLEDROSDK]: A lot of the games are sent over the Internet connection, or however it's connected to the Internet.
[37:36.640 --> 37:47.560] [KYLEDROSDK]: And in that way, the profile is required or is managing all of the different games.
[37:47.680 --> 37:48.040] [KYLEDROSDK]: That's great.
[37:48.220 --> 37:52.360] [KYLEDROSDK]: Whereas if you have a physical game, you could use it in the sort of offline way you described.
[37:52.580 --> 37:53.840] [EVILCORLEY]: But you still have the physical device.
[37:53.840 --> 38:04.920] [EVILCORLEY]: Can you not tell the Internet connection that, hey, I need to reset because I'm who I am and nobody else is, so trust me and not them?
[38:04.920 --> 38:08.860] [EVILCORLEY]: I mean, it just seems a very basic thing that should be able to be done.
[38:09.040 --> 38:14.840] [EVILCORLEY]: I know there's issues with saved games and things like that and all the work you've done, but, you know, it's a game.
[38:14.960 --> 38:17.240] [EVILCORLEY]: That's what happens sometimes, and the whole thing is a big game.
[38:17.740 --> 38:28.920] [KYLEDROSDK]: Also, well, and on a related note, there's some financial aspect of this because I think they exchange money for some internal credit system.
[38:29.120 --> 38:29.740] [EVILCORLEY]: Bad idea.
[38:29.740 --> 38:36.880] [KYLEDROSDK]: that those sort of games as a service are paid for.
[38:37.100 --> 38:48.060] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, you know, if they had asked me, I would say never, never have money involved in something that is a game, whether it's Farmville or a PS4 or anything.
[38:48.060 --> 38:49.300] [EVILCORLEY]: It's a game.
[38:49.460 --> 38:51.400] [EVILCORLEY]: It's a different reality.
[38:51.400 --> 38:58.220] [EVILCORLEY]: It should not carry the same price as our reality, because then you'll start mixing it up with our reality.
[38:58.480 --> 39:00.140] [EVILCORLEY]: And that's exactly what we're seeing.
[39:00.680 --> 39:06.120] [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah, that's to say nothing of, like, in-game purchasing, which is very common on smartphone games.
[39:06.440 --> 39:20.400] [KYLEDROSDK]: But, yeah, it really could have been devastating in the moment, but it should not be this sort of earth-shattering, life-changing moment.
[39:20.460 --> 39:22.100] [EVILCORLEY]: I'm reading a news story.
[39:22.520 --> 39:23.300] [EVILCORLEY]: Nationwide news.
[39:23.420 --> 39:24.680] [EVILCORLEY]: TV stations are covering this.
[39:24.760 --> 39:25.740] [EVILCORLEY]: The police are involved.
[39:25.960 --> 39:29.180] [EVILCORLEY]: It's a 12-year-old who lost access to his PlayStation account.
[39:29.360 --> 39:32.420] [EVILCORLEY]: There's something seriously wrong here, and it's not the fact that he got hacked.
[39:32.620 --> 39:34.240] [EVILCORLEY]: And he didn't even get hacked.
[39:34.320 --> 39:37.940] [EVILCORLEY]: He basically just got his account taken over.
[39:38.160 --> 39:39.840] [EVILCORLEY]: There's no real hacking involved here.
[39:39.840 --> 39:45.000] [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah, I guess the question is, how did he... how does password credentials get compromised?
[39:45.560 --> 39:48.840] [KYLEDROSDK]: What was going on in his life, or how they were...
[39:48.840 --> 39:50.380] [EVILCORLEY]: You'll have to ask J-Man that.
[39:50.600 --> 39:52.400] [KYLEDROSDK]: I think J-Man has some work to do.
[39:52.540 --> 39:53.620] [EVILCORLEY]: Or J-Man's mom.
[39:53.720 --> 39:54.220] [EVILCORLEY]: She might know.
[39:55.400 --> 39:58.580] [EVILCORLEY]: Anyway, so, yeah, he lost his PS4 online profile.
[39:58.680 --> 39:59.880] [EVILCORLEY]: I spent money... yeah, you're right.
[39:59.920 --> 40:02.380] [EVILCORLEY]: I spent money on certain things on the games, like data stuff.
[40:02.960 --> 40:04.920] [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, you bought data stuff, J-Man.
[40:05.060 --> 40:06.800] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, that's your big mistake right there.
[40:07.180 --> 40:08.960] [EVILCORLEY]: Don't buy data stuff with money.
[40:08.960 --> 40:12.380] [EVILCORLEY]: No, he said, I've gotten really far into the game, he explained.
[40:12.800 --> 40:16.320] [EVILCORLEY]: And right away, the alleged hacker started messaging...
[40:16.320 --> 40:17.860] [EVILCORLEY]: When is he an alleged hacker now?
[40:18.420 --> 40:19.540] [EVILCORLEY]: He called him a hacker.
[40:19.940 --> 40:21.160] [EVILCORLEY]: So, is he...
[40:21.160 --> 40:23.180] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, well, somebody's messaging him.
[40:23.300 --> 40:27.800] [EVILCORLEY]: So, he messaged him on Instagram through a profile with no photo and no post.
[40:27.960 --> 40:30.120] [EVILCORLEY]: Just the name Kevin in the bio section.
[40:30.220 --> 40:30.400] [EVILCORLEY]: Really?
[40:30.560 --> 40:31.100] [EVILCORLEY]: Kevin again?
[40:31.260 --> 40:31.980] [EVILCORLEY]: You gotta be Kevin.
[40:32.720 --> 40:41.020] [EVILCORLEY]: I haven't spent enough time trying to rehabilitate that name from the evils of hacking with our free Kevin stickers and all that.
[40:41.140 --> 40:43.960] [EVILCORLEY]: So, now there's another Kevin out there that everybody's gonna hate.
[40:45.080 --> 40:50.080] [EVILCORLEY]: But, J-Man said the hacker told him, I want a $50 PS4 gift card.
[40:50.220 --> 40:53.280] [EVILCORLEY]: I'm going to use a lot of money on your account and I'm going to sell it to somebody.
[40:54.840 --> 40:55.240] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[40:55.660 --> 40:56.800] [EVILCORLEY]: Wow, this is dark.
[40:57.000 --> 40:58.180] [EVILCORLEY]: This is really dark.
[40:58.780 --> 40:59.080] [EVILCORLEY]: Gila?
[40:59.780 --> 41:00.900] [GILADRAZEN]: It's really dark.
[41:01.100 --> 41:08.120] [GILADRAZEN]: And just to kind of piggyback on what Kyle said there, in-game purchases, I'm sure there's some sort of subscription account situation.
[41:08.120 --> 41:10.180] [GILADRAZEN]: There's probably a lot of money sunk into this.
[41:10.720 --> 41:12.640] [GILADRAZEN]: And the kid is 12.
[41:13.200 --> 41:13.900] [GILADRAZEN]: Almost 13.
[41:15.060 --> 41:17.600] [GILADRAZEN]: Which is a very important distinction when you're that age.
[41:17.600 --> 41:18.640] [GILADRAZEN]: I used to teach middle school.
[41:18.780 --> 41:19.340] [GILADRAZEN]: Take it from me.
[41:19.340 --> 41:22.220] [GILADRAZEN]: But also, I think there's a really important...
[41:22.220 --> 41:25.060] [GILADRAZEN]: Like, the kid is 12, almost 13.
[41:25.380 --> 41:30.560] [GILADRAZEN]: If his bike had gotten stolen 25 years ago, the cops would have gotten involved.
[41:30.780 --> 41:32.240] [GILADRAZEN]: And I think that's also a piece of it.
[41:32.340 --> 41:33.120] [GILADRAZEN]: Like, this is...
[41:33.120 --> 41:37.360] [GILADRAZEN]: There's so much identity, probably, that he has staked on this.
[41:37.660 --> 41:40.940] [GILADRAZEN]: I mean, I know it sounds odd to hear it.
[41:41.100 --> 41:52.000] [GILADRAZEN]: But also, and especially now hearing what faceless Kevin was saying on Instagram, thank God it was just his account stuff.
[41:52.420 --> 41:55.180] [GILADRAZEN]: Like, this could have gotten really, really, really bad.
[41:55.420 --> 41:56.300] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, but why?
[41:56.420 --> 41:58.040] [EVILCORLEY]: Why could it have gotten really bad?
[41:58.040 --> 42:04.160] [EVILCORLEY]: It's because we tie things, we tie our identities to these virtual worlds.
[42:04.320 --> 42:05.680] [EVILCORLEY]: It's a big mistake to do that.
[42:06.180 --> 42:08.820] [EVILCORLEY]: Now, I had my bike stolen when I was a kid and didn't get it back.
[42:08.820 --> 42:10.300] [EVILCORLEY]: But it was a tangible item.
[42:10.320 --> 42:10.780] [EVILCORLEY]: I understood.
[42:10.780 --> 42:11.900] [EVILCORLEY]: This is now gone.
[42:12.760 --> 42:13.860] [EVILCORLEY]: This is not tangible.
[42:14.100 --> 42:15.500] [EVILCORLEY]: This doesn't have to happen.
[42:15.500 --> 42:20.760] [EVILCORLEY]: With the right kind of security, you can keep this from taking place.
[42:21.140 --> 42:28.840] [EVILCORLEY]: And basically, stake your claim and maintain ownership of the things that you actually bought in the real world with real money.
[42:29.160 --> 42:29.460] [EVILCORLEY]: Rob?
[42:30.500 --> 42:35.200] [ROBVINCENT]: This also, you know, it should lead people to start questioning the media environment as it is right now.
[42:35.320 --> 42:39.540] [ROBVINCENT]: Because this is something that was lost when everything went over to just soft purchases.
[42:39.540 --> 42:41.460] [ROBVINCENT]: Just like buy software over the Internet.
[42:41.460 --> 42:47.040] [ROBVINCENT]: Because, you know, I could start up the Nintendo console I had 30 years ago, put a, you know, cartridge in it, and it works fine.
[42:47.260 --> 42:50.160] [ROBVINCENT]: It has nothing to do with, like, other servers being on somewhere.
[42:50.280 --> 42:54.480] [ROBVINCENT]: It has nothing to do with, like, social media and people trying to hack at my profile and whatever.
[42:54.940 --> 43:00.260] [ROBVINCENT]: And, you know, that's something that exists now in this, you know, child's toy box, basically, in a virtual sense.
[43:00.260 --> 43:09.740] [ROBVINCENT]: It's where, you know, he can't play with the things that he's been given because of some, you know, social media junk or because of some bot or because of some security failure.
[43:10.200 --> 43:11.040] [ROBVINCENT]: That's something sad.
[43:11.180 --> 43:19.080] [ROBVINCENT]: I mean, if somebody could hack something that, like, took books off your shelf or videos off your, you know, shelf that you enjoyed, you'd be angry as well.
[43:19.560 --> 43:20.460] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, absolutely.
[43:20.540 --> 43:22.600] [EVILCORLEY]: But I would never have a system like that.
[43:22.600 --> 43:26.700] [EVILCORLEY]: And I resent being forced into using those kinds of systems.
[43:27.220 --> 43:34.700] [EVILCORLEY]: And we see it all the time with software, where instead of actually having something tangible in your possession, you subscribe to it now.
[43:34.800 --> 43:36.320] [EVILCORLEY]: You never actually own it yourself.
[43:36.640 --> 43:43.740] [EVILCORLEY]: And that opens up the door for all kinds of compromising to take place because you don't have full access.
[43:43.940 --> 43:45.460] [EVILCORLEY]: Your information is out there.
[43:45.680 --> 43:47.600] [EVILCORLEY]: This is the wrong path to go down.
[43:47.780 --> 43:47.940] [EVILCORLEY]: Gila?
[43:48.300 --> 43:49.060] [GILADRAZEN]: I agree.
[43:49.060 --> 43:55.540] [GILADRAZEN]: And then also, I think things are beginning to go down that path that aren't necessarily completely virtual experiences.
[43:55.540 --> 43:56.220] [GILADRAZEN]: Like, what is it?
[43:56.260 --> 43:57.280] [GILADRAZEN]: The Peloton treadmill?
[43:57.600 --> 43:57.960] [GILADRAZEN]: Oh, my God.
[43:57.960 --> 43:59.060] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, that's a great example.
[43:59.340 --> 44:01.920] [GILADRAZEN]: It's going to lock you out unless you subscribe.
[44:03.120 --> 44:04.920] [GILADRAZEN]: You can't even use it.
[44:05.020 --> 44:05.900] [GILADRAZEN]: Like, this is what we're talking about.
[44:05.960 --> 44:07.380] [GILADRAZEN]: You can't start it up and use it.
[44:07.380 --> 44:13.700] [EVILCORLEY]: This big, massive device, this big, massive physical device that you have dragged into your home, capable of killing a small child.
[44:14.500 --> 44:17.220] [EVILCORLEY]: Now, you're saying we can't even use it.
[44:17.220 --> 44:20.500] [EVILCORLEY]: It's going to be bricked if you don't pay a monthly fee.
[44:20.500 --> 44:24.440] [EVILCORLEY]: You just have this useless device in your house.
[44:24.980 --> 44:25.880] [EVILCORLEY]: That is a crime.
[44:26.260 --> 44:28.780] [EVILCORLEY]: I mean, if you buy something, you should be able to use it.
[44:28.800 --> 44:29.760] [EVILCORLEY]: And that goes for cars.
[44:29.960 --> 44:31.200] [EVILCORLEY]: That goes for computers.
[44:31.200 --> 44:32.200] [EVILCORLEY]: That goes for phones.
[44:32.980 --> 44:38.640] [EVILCORLEY]: And we just, we seem to be plunging headlong into this world where no matter what we buy, we never actually own it.
[44:38.720 --> 44:40.320] [EVILCORLEY]: And somebody else is controlling it.
[44:40.440 --> 44:42.140] [EVILCORLEY]: And you have stories like this.
[44:42.220 --> 44:43.300] [EVILCORLEY]: You have the J-Man story.
[44:43.380 --> 44:44.200] [EVILCORLEY]: You have that happening.
[44:44.620 --> 44:45.840] [EVILCORLEY]: It's really sad.
[44:46.440 --> 44:47.360] [EVILCORLEY]: There's an update, too.
[44:47.420 --> 44:50.380] [EVILCORLEY]: There's another threat from the alleged hacker.
[44:51.220 --> 44:55.280] [EVILCORLEY]: If you don't give it to me by this time, I'm going to take it up to $100.
[44:55.680 --> 44:57.040] [EVILCORLEY]: And a lot of people want your account.
[44:57.180 --> 44:58.460] [EVILCORLEY]: It's very rare and stuff.
[44:59.040 --> 45:01.900] [EVILCORLEY]: He's just trying to get a lot of money out of me from my own account.
[45:01.980 --> 45:02.180] [EVILCORLEY]: Wait a minute.
[45:02.260 --> 45:03.340] [EVILCORLEY]: That's J-Man saying that.
[45:03.480 --> 45:03.860] [EVILCORLEY]: I'm sorry.
[45:03.920 --> 45:06.120] [EVILCORLEY]: They had two quotes in the same paragraph.
[45:07.080 --> 45:10.820] [EVILCORLEY]: J-Man said, He's just trying to get a lot of money out of me from my own account.
[45:11.860 --> 45:12.360] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[45:13.340 --> 45:16.240] [EVILCORLEY]: The Charlotte-Mecklenburg police report.
[45:16.880 --> 45:19.960] [EVILCORLEY]: You've got two municipalities in that police department, and you're wasting them both.
[45:21.140 --> 45:28.340] [EVILCORLEY]: On June 50, list the crimes under extortion-slash-blackmail, as well as hacking-slash-computer-invasion.
[45:29.000 --> 45:29.340] [EVILCORLEY]: Wow.
[45:29.780 --> 45:32.600] [EVILCORLEY]: There's a lot of slashes going on here.
[45:32.780 --> 45:37.040] [EVILCORLEY]: Charlotte-Mecklenburg extortion-blackmail and hacking-computer-invasion.
[45:38.300 --> 45:49.160] [EVILCORLEY]: You know, I don't often stand up for extortionists and blackmailers, but there's a long history of extortion and blackmail in our country.
[45:49.780 --> 45:53.160] [EVILCORLEY]: And this, it pales in comparison.
[45:53.680 --> 45:54.640] [EVILCORLEY]: It really does.
[45:54.640 --> 46:04.520] [EVILCORLEY]: Because it's one kid taking something from another kid virtually, because it was probably extremely easy to do so, and it's being treated like Al Capone.
[46:05.340 --> 46:18.340] [EVILCORLEY]: And you have all of this street cred being given to somebody with no actual skills, turning them into a master criminal, and if they are ever caught, that's going to follow them around.
[46:18.560 --> 46:24.440] [EVILCORLEY]: And it's just a whole other level of wrong that this story now will create.
[46:26.460 --> 46:27.440] [EVILCORLEY]: Anyway, this is good news.
[46:27.780 --> 46:29.520] [EVILCORLEY]: We're due for some good news on this story.
[46:30.060 --> 46:33.100] [EVILCORLEY]: The good news is that J-Man's mom...
[46:33.100 --> 46:35.000] [EVILCORLEY]: Boy, I feel silly reading this story.
[46:35.420 --> 46:42.200] [EVILCORLEY]: J-Man's mom said they were able to pause the credit card attached to his PS4 account so no one can access that money.
[46:42.620 --> 46:44.120] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, this is J-Man.
[46:46.900 --> 46:50.920] [EVILCORLEY]: Any credit card, you can stop payment on something.
[46:51.040 --> 46:54.860] [EVILCORLEY]: This is not some kind of a feat that you figured out.
[46:54.980 --> 46:56.600] [EVILCORLEY]: This is what they're supposed to do.
[46:57.060 --> 47:02.580] [EVILCORLEY]: And this credit card should not have been accessed by somebody else in the first place.
[47:02.640 --> 47:06.080] [EVILCORLEY]: And the moment it was, you called them and you say, hey, this is unauthorized.
[47:06.180 --> 47:06.540] [EVILCORLEY]: Stop it.
[47:06.540 --> 47:07.660] [EVILCORLEY]: And they will.
[47:07.760 --> 47:08.480] [EVILCORLEY]: And you're not liable.
[47:09.240 --> 47:10.300] [EVILCORLEY]: That's how it works.
[47:12.440 --> 47:14.180] [EVILCORLEY]: J-Man's mom gives advice to other parents.
[47:15.860 --> 47:24.620] [EVILCORLEY]: If you want to listen to J-Man's mom's words of wisdom here, consider skipping the online gaming accounts and just stick to buying games in the store.
[47:26.220 --> 47:28.200] [EVILCORLEY]: J-Man has made it clear he's not paying up.
[47:28.300 --> 47:28.960] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, good for him.
[47:29.600 --> 47:30.540] [EVILCORLEY]: Good for your mom.
[47:31.120 --> 47:33.140] [EVILCORLEY]: It's nice that you crossed the finish line in the end.
[47:33.820 --> 47:39.320] [EVILCORLEY]: But, yeah, that is basically the advice I think any of us would give from the outset.
[47:40.380 --> 47:43.380] [EVILCORLEY]: J-Man says, if I give them the gift card...
[47:43.960 --> 47:44.760] [EVILCORLEY]: What gift card?
[47:44.920 --> 47:45.840] [EVILCORLEY]: There's a gift card now.
[47:45.940 --> 47:46.860] [KYLEDROSDK]: The ransom gift card.
[47:47.000 --> 47:47.780] [KYLEDROSDK]: I didn't know it was a gift card.
[47:47.860 --> 47:48.520] [KYLEDROSDK]: I thought it was just money.
[47:48.620 --> 47:50.340] [KYLEDROSDK]: It was 50 bucks on a...
[47:50.340 --> 47:51.060] [KYLEDROSDK]: Oh, was it?
[47:51.140 --> 47:52.120] [KYLEDROSDK]: Like a virtual gift card.
[47:52.180 --> 47:52.280] [KYLEDROSDK]: You're right, it was.
[47:52.460 --> 47:52.800] [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah, yeah.
[47:52.900 --> 47:54.180] [EVILCORLEY]: You're really paying attention to this.
[47:54.360 --> 47:55.080] [KYLEDROSDK]: It's riveting.
[47:55.140 --> 47:55.920] [EVILCORLEY]: How much do you know?
[47:56.100 --> 47:57.000] [KYLEDROSDK]: I know a lot.
[47:57.260 --> 47:57.420] [EVILCORLEY]: Huh.
[47:58.240 --> 48:01.040] [EVILCORLEY]: If I give them the gift card, they're not going to give me back my account.
[48:01.040 --> 48:02.380] [EVILCORLEY]: They're still going to sell it.
[48:03.140 --> 48:04.060] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, that's right, J-Man.
[48:04.160 --> 48:04.820] [EVILCORLEY]: They're going to sell it.
[48:04.880 --> 48:12.100] [EVILCORLEY]: It's just like all these ransomware clowns that think if they give bitcoins to people, all of a sudden, they're going to get everything back.
[48:12.260 --> 48:12.840] [EVILCORLEY]: You might.
[48:12.960 --> 48:13.460] [EVILCORLEY]: You might not.
[48:13.680 --> 48:14.600] [EVILCORLEY]: What are you going to do about it?
[48:15.200 --> 48:23.400] [EVILCORLEY]: It's, you know, this is part of that history of crime that you can't trust people that commit crimes.
[48:23.640 --> 48:25.140] [EVILCORLEY]: That's why it's not to do that.
[48:25.720 --> 48:31.380] [EVILCORLEY]: J-Man is just hoping to have the account shut down temporarily, effectively sending the hackers back into cyberspace for good.
[48:32.240 --> 48:33.540] [EVILCORLEY]: What does that even mean?
[48:34.120 --> 48:35.320] [EVILCORLEY]: Back into cyberspace.
[48:35.460 --> 48:40.540] [EVILCORLEY]: But you want to follow them into cyberspace and get your ass kicked again.
[48:41.440 --> 48:46.840] [EVILCORLEY]: The family has been in contact with Sony for help getting J-Man's account shut down temporarily.
[48:47.140 --> 48:48.620] [EVILCORLEY]: So far, they haven't had any success.
[48:49.080 --> 48:51.220] [EVILCORLEY]: What number you got for Sony, I wonder?
[48:51.680 --> 48:52.640] [EVILCORLEY]: Calling Sony?
[48:53.080 --> 48:54.960] [EVILCORLEY]: This should be something that's simple.
[48:54.960 --> 49:01.700] [EVILCORLEY]: If you have physical access to something that you bought, you should be able to do that extremely easily.
[49:01.940 --> 49:03.120] [EVILCORLEY]: You should not have to call Sony.
[49:03.820 --> 49:08.340] [EVILCORLEY]: They're probably calling Japan or something, thinking that you have to talk to the president of the company to get this done.
[49:10.700 --> 49:15.700] [EVILCORLEY]: And that is the story of the 12-year-old who lost his PlayStation account.
[49:16.740 --> 49:19.980] [EVILCORLEY]: Sympathy for him and for others who might be going through something like that.
[49:19.980 --> 49:23.480] [EVILCORLEY]: But we need to rethink the way we do things to avoid this.
[49:24.060 --> 49:26.480] [EVILCORLEY]: I can only imagine what it's going to be like in 10 years.
[49:27.680 --> 49:33.960] [KYLEDROSDK]: This explains where J-Man's been for all the other gamers who missed playing with him.
[49:34.200 --> 49:40.960] [EVILCORLEY]: Speaking of ransomware, we talked about the Colonial Pipeline ransomware incident many, many times.
[49:41.220 --> 49:52.880] [EVILCORLEY]: But do you know that the so-called hackers who gained entry into the networks of Colonial Pipeline on April 29th did so through a virtual private network account.
[49:53.840 --> 50:05.900] [EVILCORLEY]: And what they did was they used a single compromised password that was floating around on the Internet or, if you want to be technical, on the darknet.
[50:07.900 --> 50:09.500] [EVILCORLEY]: Basically, it was out there.
[50:10.180 --> 50:17.460] [EVILCORLEY]: Many people had access to this and that is how they got in because this password wasn't changed.
[50:17.460 --> 50:26.120] [EVILCORLEY]: It was a password for an account that wasn't even being used, but the account still had access and was still able to do the things they needed to do.
[50:27.520 --> 50:28.540] [EVILCORLEY]: It's bad security.
[50:28.740 --> 50:29.880] [EVILCORLEY]: It's always bad security.
[50:30.260 --> 50:38.880] [EVILCORLEY]: And if you basically deactivate accounts that are no longer used, if you change passwords frequently, you'll tend to avoid this type of thing.
[50:40.680 --> 50:43.820] [EVILCORLEY]: And, Kyle, you have something else on Colonial Pipeline that I didn't know about?
[50:44.450 --> 50:44.960] [KYLEDROSDK]: Oh, sure.
[50:45.540 --> 50:52.220] [KYLEDROSDK]: This is a WSCO TV story from Huntersville, North Carolina.
[50:53.380 --> 50:54.900] [KYLEDROSDK]: Did you know that...
[50:54.900 --> 50:55.700] [EVILCORLEY]: Back in North Carolina.
[50:55.940 --> 50:56.720] [KYLEDROSDK]: That's right.
[50:56.840 --> 50:57.000] [KYLEDROSDK]: Wow.
[50:57.340 --> 51:01.170] [KYLEDROSDK]: Two teens riding ATVs in Huntersville last summer in August...
[51:01.720 --> 51:02.620] [EVILCORLEY]: One of them could be J-Man.
[51:02.940 --> 51:04.160] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, he's not a teen yet.
[51:04.160 --> 51:04.600] [EVILCORLEY]: He's 12.
[51:05.300 --> 51:07.080] [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah, maybe friends of his...
[51:07.080 --> 51:07.200] [KYLEDROSDK]: Okay.
[51:07.860 --> 51:17.100] [KYLEDROSDK]: ...are credited with finding a massive Colonial Pipeline fuel spill, which was last estimated at 1.2 million gallons.
[51:17.120 --> 51:25.800] [KYLEDROSDK]: Walker Sell and Owen Fair were riding through Oler Nature Preserve when they smelled an overwhelming odor of gasoline.
[51:26.280 --> 51:32.000] [KYLEDROSDK]: It was just bubbling up out of the ground like a fire hydrant would, Fair told Channel 9.
[51:32.520 --> 51:41.080] [KYLEDROSDK]: And basically, this is one of the largest fire fuel spills in U.S. history.
[51:41.480 --> 51:42.380] [EVILCORLEY]: I'd never heard of this.
[51:42.540 --> 51:43.180] [EVILCORLEY]: When did this happen?
[51:43.520 --> 51:43.900] [KYLEDROSDK]: August.
[51:45.040 --> 51:45.860] [EVILCORLEY]: About a year ago.
[51:45.920 --> 51:47.380] [KYLEDROSDK]: Last August, 2020, yeah.
[51:47.760 --> 51:49.240] [EVILCORLEY]: This was before the ransomware.
[51:49.500 --> 51:53.420] [EVILCORLEY]: This company was leaking fuel all over the place.
[51:53.560 --> 52:01.620] [EVILCORLEY]: And I guess because they weren't in the news for not having good security on their computer network, the media just skipped over that story.
[52:01.740 --> 52:02.180] [EVILCORLEY]: But wow.
[52:02.180 --> 52:04.580] [EVILCORLEY]: And you say they didn't even...
[52:04.580 --> 52:06.540] [EVILCORLEY]: They weren't able to figure this out themselves.
[52:06.540 --> 52:10.760] [EVILCORLEY]: They needed a couple of kids riding bikes to tell them that their fuel was leaking all over the place?
[52:11.140 --> 52:11.680] [KYLEDROSDK]: That's right.
[52:11.820 --> 52:15.540] [KYLEDROSDK]: There was a giant crack, I guess, in the actual line itself.
[52:15.900 --> 52:26.220] [KYLEDROSDK]: And there was no detection system in any way that the company was aware when it split.
[52:26.420 --> 52:31.980] [EVILCORLEY]: A giant crack in a pipeline and there's no way to detect that when you're the company running the pipeline.
[52:32.180 --> 52:45.760] [KYLEDROSDK]: You'd think like even like telemetrics on like the flow rates and stuff or pressures, you know, because if you have a fire hydrant size leak, I guess the flow of oil to your customers is like that.
[52:45.820 --> 52:51.060] [EVILCORLEY]: I would think that before giving them permission to do that, that's the first question you ask.
[52:51.260 --> 52:53.960] [EVILCORLEY]: How do you know if your fuel is leaking?
[52:54.200 --> 52:56.900] [EVILCORLEY]: What's your system to prevent that, to detect that?
[52:57.140 --> 52:58.480] [EVILCORLEY]: They don't seem to have one.
[52:58.580 --> 52:59.220] [EVILCORLEY]: That's incredible.
[52:59.800 --> 53:00.100] [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah.
[53:00.460 --> 53:05.660] [KYLEDROSDK]: So once they did realize it, it eventually took time to shut off.
[53:05.800 --> 53:07.840] [KYLEDROSDK]: But this stuff happens all the time in this country.
[53:08.020 --> 53:10.720] [KYLEDROSDK]: We have a lot of infrastructure that is old.
[53:10.720 --> 53:17.040] [KYLEDROSDK]: We have a lot of pipeline systems and it's generally not covered at all.
[53:17.240 --> 53:26.340] [KYLEDROSDK]: You get a story that's unusual like this and it makes local TV, but it's often covered in really sparse ways.
[53:26.340 --> 53:34.560] [KYLEDROSDK]: So this is why we should look at other pipeline plans like Line 3 and other stuff that is detrimental to ecosystems.
[53:34.920 --> 53:36.460] [EVILCORLEY]: Bad security is everywhere.
[53:36.500 --> 53:37.320] [EVILCORLEY]: Oh my God.
[53:37.500 --> 53:38.460] [EVILCORLEY]: We're out of time.
[53:38.840 --> 53:40.180] [EVILCORLEY]: Boy, time goes so fast.
[53:40.280 --> 53:44.080] [EVILCORLEY]: But we have another hour or so that we spend on YouTube.
[53:44.280 --> 53:52.620] [EVILCORLEY]: You can join us there, youtube.com/Channel2600 or just click on the link on the top of 2600.com and you can call us.
[53:52.960 --> 53:54.180] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, you can call us.
[53:55.140 --> 53:59.620] [EVILCORLEY]: The phone number is 802 was it 321?
[53:59.900 --> 54:00.640] [EVILCORLEY]: Is that what it is?
[54:00.780 --> 54:01.520] [EVILCORLEY]: I don't have it in front of me.
[54:01.580 --> 54:02.220] [EVILCORLEY]: Someone took my paper.
[54:02.340 --> 54:03.000] [EVILCORLEY]: 321 hack.
[54:03.160 --> 54:03.720] [EVILCORLEY]: 321 hack.
[54:04.900 --> 54:06.500] [EVILCORLEY]: 802-321-4225.
[54:06.780 --> 54:10.380] [EVILCORLEY]: So we'll see you over there or write to us oth@2600.com.
[54:10.540 --> 54:11.560] [EVILCORLEY]: We'll see you next week on WBAI.
[54:11.860 --> 54:13.400] [EVILCORLEY]: Stay tuned to 99.5 FM.
[54:14.440 --> 54:14.900] [EVILCORLEY]: Good night.
[57:47.550 --> 57:55.190] [EVILCORLEY]: All right, here we are on Off The Hook Overtime, where you can talk to us and we can continue talking to you.
[57:55.930 --> 57:58.830] [EVILCORLEY]: We have all kinds of other things we didn't get to on the radio.
[57:59.570 --> 58:09.870] [EVILCORLEY]: One thing, though, we did get some remarks from people that were frustrated, who wanted to call us last week, couldn't reach us because we had so many phone calls.
[58:10.270 --> 58:11.270] [EVILCORLEY]: And that's a good thing.
[58:11.670 --> 58:13.090] [EVILCORLEY]: But let's do this.
[58:13.270 --> 58:21.930] [EVILCORLEY]: If you've called before, especially if you've called in the last week or so, let's give somebody else a chance so that we hear new voices.
[58:21.930 --> 58:23.230] [EVILCORLEY]: We hear it from other people.
[58:23.870 --> 58:30.910] [EVILCORLEY]: And if you're one of those people that has not reached us in the past couple of weeks, give us a call to 802-321-4225.
[58:31.170 --> 58:34.550] [EVILCORLEY]: 802-321-HACK is our phone number.
[58:34.610 --> 58:36.390] [EVILCORLEY]: And you can speak to us directly.
[58:36.830 --> 58:38.170] [EVILCORLEY]: And we'd love to hear from you.
[58:40.610 --> 58:42.610] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, you know, there were a lot of stories we didn't get to.
[58:42.690 --> 58:44.530] [EVILCORLEY]: Boy, that hour just goes by so fast.
[58:44.630 --> 58:46.170] [EVILCORLEY]: And actually, it's more like 50 minutes.
[58:48.490 --> 58:50.510] [EVILCORLEY]: But that's just the nature of radio, I guess.
[58:50.510 --> 58:52.350] [EVILCORLEY]: Unfortunately, we have this.
[58:52.350 --> 58:56.630] [EVILCORLEY]: For now, while we're still broadcasting remotely, we can do this extra bit.
[58:57.470 --> 59:03.830] [EVILCORLEY]: But here's another story that's kind of similar to what J-Man was going through, except I think more serious.
[59:04.050 --> 59:06.070] [EVILCORLEY]: And this comes out of Washington State.
[59:07.010 --> 59:21.910] [EVILCORLEY]: Some concerned parents in the Lake Washington School District are calling for action and accountability after the website for the state's second-largest school district was hacked last week by someone who blanketed pages on the site with racially charged and offensive messages.
[59:22.530 --> 59:32.110] [EVILCORLEY]: And again, I take issue with the use of the word hacked here because not much hacking is involved when the security is poor enough to allow this to happen.
[59:32.110 --> 59:40.750] [EVILCORLEY]: The Redmond Police Department is investigating the hack and working with the school district's information technology staff in an effort to find the hacker.
[59:41.930 --> 59:43.090] [EVILCORLEY]: Investigators from...
[59:43.090 --> 59:49.090] [EVILCORLEY]: Why don't I just say to find the racist idiot who took over their system because it was easy to take over?
[59:49.330 --> 59:50.590] [EVILCORLEY]: Not much hacking involved.
[59:51.070 --> 01:00:02.230] [EVILCORLEY]: Investigators from the Redmond Police Department, FBI, and cybersecurity officials said, hacks can be prevented, but determining who did them can be challenging because the perpetrators are often good at concealing their tracks.
[01:00:03.210 --> 01:00:06.110] [EVILCORLEY]: It's basically just not telling people you did it.
[01:00:06.370 --> 01:00:08.210] [EVILCORLEY]: That's the extent of concealing your tracks.
[01:00:08.710 --> 01:00:09.910] [EVILCORLEY]: There's always a way.
[01:00:10.110 --> 01:00:11.590] [EVILCORLEY]: There's always a way to track people down.
[01:00:12.650 --> 01:00:15.390] [EVILCORLEY]: This incident has left many in the school district unsettled.
[01:00:16.790 --> 01:00:24.970] [EVILCORLEY]: Parent Renee Ferguson said, in my lifetime, it is the most hatred, detailed, white supremacist stuff I've ever seen.
[01:00:26.190 --> 01:00:27.650] [EVILCORLEY]: Detailed white supremacist stuff.
[01:00:27.750 --> 01:00:29.850] [EVILCORLEY]: Wow, I'm curious what that was all about.
[01:00:30.230 --> 01:00:31.350] [EVILCORLEY]: The hacker...
[01:00:31.350 --> 01:00:33.110] [EVILCORLEY]: I really wish they'd stop using this word.
[01:00:33.230 --> 01:00:36.570] [EVILCORLEY]: I'm just reading the story as it is, but it's a real problem.
[01:00:36.670 --> 01:00:46.590] [EVILCORLEY]: The hacker published several derogatory and disturbing words and phrases on the school site that could be seen by anyone who visited its online pages for an hour last Thursday.
[01:00:47.930 --> 01:00:50.890] [EVILCORLEY]: Officials said the incident affected the entire site and all of its pages.
[01:00:50.990 --> 01:00:51.630] [EVILCORLEY]: You know what that is?
[01:00:52.210 --> 01:00:53.930] [EVILCORLEY]: That's a website being taken over.
[01:00:54.230 --> 01:00:57.330] [EVILCORLEY]: It's really, really easy if you don't take precautions.
[01:00:57.750 --> 01:00:59.650] [EVILCORLEY]: Happened all throughout the 1990s.
[01:01:00.070 --> 01:01:01.910] [EVILCORLEY]: And yeah, we call them hacked webpages.
[01:01:02.930 --> 01:01:10.370] [EVILCORLEY]: Because, you know, initially, you had to have some kind of skill to be able to figure out a security hole.
[01:01:11.770 --> 01:01:14.850] [EVILCORLEY]: But eventually, it just became really, really simple.
[01:01:15.050 --> 01:01:18.090] [EVILCORLEY]: Running scripts and looking for openings.
[01:01:18.090 --> 01:01:19.830] [EVILCORLEY]: Not much hacker content.
[01:01:19.970 --> 01:01:22.410] [EVILCORLEY]: Just basically a desire to cause mayhem.
[01:01:22.590 --> 01:01:25.930] [EVILCORLEY]: Sometimes it can be useful for spreading ideology.
[01:01:26.290 --> 01:01:35.430] [EVILCORLEY]: And we've seen such webpages being taken over in totalitarian regimes to have a democratic message get out there.
[01:01:36.030 --> 01:01:38.390] [EVILCORLEY]: So it can be used as activism.
[01:01:38.390 --> 01:01:40.910] [EVILCORLEY]: But it also can be used for ugliness.
[01:01:42.170 --> 01:01:43.790] [EVILCORLEY]: Because it's not hacking.
[01:01:44.030 --> 01:01:46.210] [EVILCORLEY]: It's just simply running a program.
[01:01:47.410 --> 01:01:50.490] [EVILCORLEY]: Anyway, student Achilles George said it was shocking.
[01:01:50.650 --> 01:01:52.050] [EVILCORLEY]: It was surprising and offensive.
[01:01:55.110 --> 01:01:57.270] [EVILCORLEY]: Angel George, I guess related.
[01:01:57.810 --> 01:02:03.130] [EVILCORLEY]: A recent senior graduate saw a screenshot of the offensive messages after the images were shared on social media.
[01:02:03.330 --> 01:02:06.010] [EVILCORLEY]: She visited the site and was able to see the images online herself.
[01:02:06.110 --> 01:02:07.070] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, we can...
[01:02:07.070 --> 01:02:10.310] [EVILCORLEY]: We believe that the images were there and people could see them.
[01:02:10.410 --> 01:02:13.330] [EVILCORLEY]: So I don't know why they need to talk to so many people to say, oh my God, I saw them.
[01:02:13.430 --> 01:02:13.810] [EVILCORLEY]: They were shocking.
[01:02:14.430 --> 01:02:15.910] [EVILCORLEY]: I was like in shock, Angel said.
[01:02:15.930 --> 01:02:16.930] [EVILCORLEY]: Who would do this?
[01:02:17.250 --> 01:02:21.630] [EVILCORLEY]: I was just really concerned it had a bunch of derogatory terms for every race except for white people.
[01:02:21.810 --> 01:02:23.250] [EVILCORLEY]: So it's kind of scary.
[01:02:24.430 --> 01:02:25.750] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, it is.
[01:02:26.250 --> 01:02:26.950] [EVILCORLEY]: It is.
[01:02:27.050 --> 01:02:28.350] [EVILCORLEY]: And not just on websites.
[01:02:28.910 --> 01:02:30.130] [EVILCORLEY]: In everyday life.
[01:02:30.370 --> 01:02:33.270] [EVILCORLEY]: And this is why it's important to address these issues.
[01:02:33.550 --> 01:02:38.010] [EVILCORLEY]: This is why it's important to teach kids early about this ugliness.
[01:02:38.550 --> 01:02:42.830] [EVILCORLEY]: Instead, we have a situation in this country now where we're being told we're not supposed to talk about it.
[01:02:42.950 --> 01:02:45.130] [EVILCORLEY]: We're not supposed to teach kids about this sort of thing.
[01:02:45.630 --> 01:02:49.090] [EVILCORLEY]: Because they'll have a bad opinion of the country they live in.
[01:02:49.270 --> 01:02:50.850] [EVILCORLEY]: And nonsense like that.
[01:02:52.370 --> 01:02:55.830] [EVILCORLEY]: Anyway, Angel's mother, which happens to be Renee Ferguson.
[01:02:55.990 --> 01:03:03.330] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, so this is all one family I've been quoting, said she did not allow her daughter to go out that night after viewing the messages.
[01:03:04.610 --> 01:03:08.870] [EVILCORLEY]: And, you know, we can ridicule that and say, wow, what an overreaction.
[01:03:08.990 --> 01:03:09.490] [EVILCORLEY]: But I get it.
[01:03:09.650 --> 01:03:12.970] [EVILCORLEY]: You know, you see something shocking and disturbing like that.
[01:03:13.070 --> 01:03:14.470] [EVILCORLEY]: You don't really want your kids to go outside.
[01:03:14.470 --> 01:03:19.890] [EVILCORLEY]: You don't really know if somebody's lurking right outside or somebody is on the other side of the planet.
[01:03:19.970 --> 01:03:22.250] [EVILCORLEY]: So I understand that.
[01:03:22.390 --> 01:03:24.830] [EVILCORLEY]: But it shouldn't be this simple.
[01:03:25.030 --> 01:03:26.410] [EVILCORLEY]: There needs to be security.
[01:03:26.610 --> 01:03:30.250] [EVILCORLEY]: And we need to address the ugliness that festers.
[01:03:31.230 --> 01:03:33.690] [EVILCORLEY]: My heart instantly sank due to being scared.
[01:03:33.910 --> 01:03:36.330] [EVILCORLEY]: And actually, I felt traumatized, Ferguson said.
[01:03:36.350 --> 01:03:39.850] [EVILCORLEY]: I had to literally look up what some of those names meant.
[01:03:40.190 --> 01:03:43.270] [EVILCORLEY]: And when I looked them up, I just thought, how are we still doing this?
[01:03:43.650 --> 01:03:44.890] [EVILCORLEY]: It was very, very scary.
[01:03:45.590 --> 01:03:52.970] [EVILCORLEY]: Um, so, uh, I guess they, they don't really, um, know anything more about it.
[01:03:53.110 --> 01:03:59.430] [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, but Ferguson concludes by saying, we are begging, uh, for you to recognize the racism that is going on in your school.
[01:03:59.690 --> 01:04:00.850] [EVILCORLEY]: Said this to the school district.
[01:04:01.190 --> 01:04:03.630] [EVILCORLEY]: And to make our kids safe in your, in your school district.
[01:04:03.750 --> 01:04:04.730] [EVILCORLEY]: That is what I'm demanding.
[01:04:05.690 --> 01:04:06.970] [EVILCORLEY]: And a little security too.
[01:04:07.350 --> 01:04:07.870] [EVILCORLEY]: Can't hurt.
[01:04:09.070 --> 01:04:09.650] [EVILCORLEY]: Do you have a phone call?
[01:04:10.870 --> 01:04:11.830] [EVILCORLEY]: We don't have a phone call.
[01:04:12.030 --> 01:04:12.730] [EVILCORLEY]: I thought we had a phone call.
[01:04:12.730 --> 01:04:13.090] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:04:14.630 --> 01:04:16.230] [EVILCORLEY]: 802-321-4225.
[01:04:16.450 --> 01:04:19.770] [EVILCORLEY]: We had a phone call, but I guess, I guess all that talk made them hang up.
[01:04:21.010 --> 01:04:23.670] [EVILCORLEY]: Because phone calls are expensive and people can't stay on hold.
[01:04:23.770 --> 01:04:24.250] [EVILCORLEY]: I understand.
[01:04:25.210 --> 01:04:28.370] [EVILCORLEY]: 802-321-4225 is our phone number.
[01:04:28.690 --> 01:04:29.710] [EVILCORLEY]: Lines are open now.
[01:04:30.650 --> 01:04:33.410] [EVILCORLEY]: To those people that have not, uh, called us in the past couple of weeks.
[01:04:33.470 --> 01:04:34.430] [EVILCORLEY]: Because we want to hear from new people.
[01:04:36.270 --> 01:04:38.090] [EVILCORLEY]: And, and, uh, more representation.
[01:04:38.490 --> 01:04:40.070] [EVILCORLEY]: Any thoughts on the story I just read?
[01:04:40.170 --> 01:04:40.930] [EVILCORLEY]: Rob, do you have something?
[01:04:41.670 --> 01:04:44.910] [ROBVINCENT]: Yeah, I mean, you have to explain these things to these kids.
[01:04:45.290 --> 01:04:47.590] [ROBVINCENT]: Because there is ugliness in the world.
[01:04:47.930 --> 01:04:52.250] [ROBVINCENT]: And, you know, the online world is made by the same people who are out there in the mundane world.
[01:04:52.290 --> 01:04:54.770] [ROBVINCENT]: And is a reflection of us.
[01:04:55.190 --> 01:04:57.810] [ROBVINCENT]: And, uh, just as you might, you know, walk the streets in your neighborhood.
[01:04:58.170 --> 01:05:03.810] [ROBVINCENT]: And come upon bigoted graffiti put somewhere, um, in order to disgust and terrorize.
[01:05:03.810 --> 01:05:05.530] [ROBVINCENT]: Because you'll, you'll see that on the net, too.
[01:05:05.770 --> 01:05:10.110] [ROBVINCENT]: And, you know, it, it behooves us to acknowledge that this exists.
[01:05:10.390 --> 01:05:12.250] [ROBVINCENT]: You know, address that is, that this exists.
[01:05:12.550 --> 01:05:14.870] [ROBVINCENT]: And educate the kids on how to be better than this.
[01:05:15.510 --> 01:05:17.290] [ROBVINCENT]: Um, you know, use it as an example.
[01:05:17.430 --> 01:05:18.530] [ROBVINCENT]: Use it as a teachable moment.
[01:05:19.130 --> 01:05:23.110] [ROBVINCENT]: Um, because, you know, it, it, it does exist out there, uh, very sadly.
[01:05:24.130 --> 01:05:28.970] [ROBVINCENT]: And, you know, we're not, we're not going to be able to sweep it under the rug and just ignore it and hope it goes away.
[01:05:29.170 --> 01:05:30.030] [ROBVINCENT]: It does not work like that.
[01:05:30.090 --> 01:05:30.730] [EVILCORLEY]: You know what else?
[01:05:31.230 --> 01:05:33.070] [EVILCORLEY]: Teach the kids how to do it.
[01:05:33.730 --> 01:05:34.710] [EVILCORLEY]: How was this done?
[01:05:34.810 --> 01:05:38.170] [EVILCORLEY]: Let's not make it some big, mysterious thing that some super hacker did.
[01:05:38.350 --> 01:05:42.070] [EVILCORLEY]: No, show them exactly what they did, how easy it was.
[01:05:42.170 --> 01:05:49.710] [EVILCORLEY]: And that way they can look for holes themselves and report them before they get taken advantage of by some idiot who does these kinds of things.
[01:05:49.710 --> 01:05:57.270] [EVILCORLEY]: But you, you, you turn it into some, some skill, you, you put that person on a pedestal where they have not earned the right to be.
[01:05:58.030 --> 01:06:17.090] [EVILCORLEY]: And, um, by having, having your own students participating in keeping your system secure, not demonizing them if they find a security hole, you have a much more secure system in the end and a lot more educated kids and a lot less hate being spread around.
[01:06:17.290 --> 01:06:17.770] [EVILCORLEY]: Alex?
[01:06:18.910 --> 01:06:21.470] [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah, I think that's a great point, Emmanuel.
[01:06:21.910 --> 01:06:39.690] [ALEXURBELS]: And one thing to keep in mind is that, you know, school districts are one of the most underfunded organizations when it comes to cybersecurity, yet they have such a huge threat vector that's targeting them both for ransomware, for types of, you know, activism attacks like this,
[01:06:39.870 --> 01:06:45.150] [ALEXURBELS]: you know, racist propaganda that seems to have been propagated through this particular website.
[01:06:45.150 --> 01:06:50.050] [ALEXURBELS]: And so getting the students involved, I think, is one way to really increase those resources.
[01:06:50.290 --> 01:06:56.950] [ALEXURBELS]: I completely agree that when you demystify this, it becomes a hell of a lot less malicious because it's so much less magical.
[01:06:57.110 --> 01:07:02.290] [ALEXURBELS]: It doesn't have this aura of mystery or power surrounding whoever was behind this.
[01:07:02.370 --> 01:07:03.930] [ALEXURBELS]: You realize, oh, this was simple.
[01:07:03.930 --> 01:07:07.370] [ALEXURBELS]: Well, this is, you know, improper permission set on a web server.
[01:07:07.510 --> 01:07:11.610] [ALEXURBELS]: Somebody simply edited a text file, added some racist propaganda to it.
[01:07:11.830 --> 01:07:19.490] [ALEXURBELS]: But on the other hand, too, I think, you know, whoever this idiot was, perhaps it was another student in the school district itself.
[01:07:19.490 --> 01:07:32.870] [ALEXURBELS]: And I don't think that if it was, I don't think that the book should be thrown at him proverbially because maybe, you know, even though I'm sure their comments were deplorable, I don't know what they were, but maybe this person was trying to get a rise out of others or,
[01:07:32.870 --> 01:07:35.710] [ALEXURBELS]: you know, was otherwise the guy who the hell knows.
[01:07:35.710 --> 01:07:46.650] [ALEXURBELS]: But I think at root, we should all recognize that this was a trivial way to compromise a pretty easy system to breach, a web server.
[01:07:46.890 --> 01:07:49.030] [ALEXURBELS]: And we can't forget that.
[01:07:49.550 --> 01:07:50.470] [EVILCORLEY]: And I agree with you.
[01:07:50.570 --> 01:08:01.570] [EVILCORLEY]: I think if it is some kid somewhere trying to get a rise out of people, okay, he succeeded, you proved yourself to be an idiot, and now we have to try and steer you away from that.
[01:08:01.710 --> 01:08:03.750] [EVILCORLEY]: But his life or her life should not be ruined.
[01:08:03.750 --> 01:08:12.130] [EVILCORLEY]: But if, say, it's Donald Trump Jr., I think you should treat them differently than if they're simply some kid in the...
[01:08:12.130 --> 01:08:18.750] [EVILCORLEY]: So it basically speaks to where they're coming from, what they have access to, what they were trying to achieve.
[01:08:19.150 --> 01:08:21.230] [EVILCORLEY]: And that's important.
[01:08:21.590 --> 01:08:33.110] [EVILCORLEY]: And when we say there aren't enough resources, you know, security resources in school districts, hey, you got really good resources with these kids because they're the ones figuring it out.
[01:08:33.110 --> 01:08:34.510] [EVILCORLEY]: They're the ones that are smart.
[01:08:34.570 --> 01:08:39.530] [EVILCORLEY]: They're the ones that will help you figure things out that no one else can.
[01:08:40.730 --> 01:08:42.370] [EVILCORLEY]: They'll play by different rules.
[01:08:42.670 --> 01:08:47.410] [EVILCORLEY]: And instead of being punished for doing so, you'll actually make them feel completely accomplished.
[01:08:47.530 --> 01:08:48.310] [EVILCORLEY]: Hey, we have a phone call now.
[01:08:48.390 --> 01:08:50.250] [EVILCORLEY]: I'm going to get to it quickly before they lose patience.
[01:08:50.250 --> 01:08:50.950] [EVILCORLEY]: Good evening.
[01:08:51.130 --> 01:08:52.090] [EVILCORLEY]: You're on Off The Hook Overtime.
[01:08:52.230 --> 01:08:52.450] [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead.
[01:08:54.450 --> 01:08:55.070] [SPEAKER_18]: Hey, man.
[01:08:55.170 --> 01:08:55.790] [SPEAKER_18]: How you doing?
[01:08:56.030 --> 01:08:56.370] [SPEAKER_18]: How you doing?
[01:08:56.410 --> 01:08:56.870] [EVILCORLEY]: Who is this?
[01:08:57.310 --> 01:09:02.210] [SPEAKER_18]: I ran into something weird last night in Novosibirsk, Russia.
[01:09:02.730 --> 01:09:04.810] [SPEAKER_18]: I can't listen to the show on Spotify.
[01:09:05.350 --> 01:09:05.650] [EVILCORLEY]: Wait a minute.
[01:09:05.730 --> 01:09:06.170] [EVILCORLEY]: You're in Russia?
[01:09:07.930 --> 01:09:09.410] [SPEAKER_18]: So, yeah, Novosibirsk.
[01:09:09.970 --> 01:09:10.330] [EVILCORLEY]: Wow.
[01:09:10.510 --> 01:09:12.670] [EVILCORLEY]: I know that city...
[01:09:12.670 --> 01:09:13.490] [EVILCORLEY]: Where is that city?
[01:09:13.790 --> 01:09:15.070] [EVILCORLEY]: It's in the far north, maybe?
[01:09:15.190 --> 01:09:15.950] [SPEAKER_18]: It's Siberia.
[01:09:16.530 --> 01:09:17.930] [EVILCORLEY]: You're calling us from Siberia.
[01:09:18.290 --> 01:09:18.610] [EVILCORLEY]: Hang on.
[01:09:18.670 --> 01:09:19.390] [EVILCORLEY]: This is the lead.
[01:09:19.510 --> 01:09:20.970] [EVILCORLEY]: The fact that you're calling us from Siberia.
[01:09:20.970 --> 01:09:22.270] [EVILCORLEY]: This is fascinating.
[01:09:22.570 --> 01:09:22.750] [EVILCORLEY]: Wow.
[01:09:22.910 --> 01:09:24.130] [EVILCORLEY]: So, you're in Siberia.
[01:09:24.230 --> 01:09:26.150] [EVILCORLEY]: I don't think we've ever gotten a call from Siberia before.
[01:09:27.510 --> 01:09:29.470] [SPEAKER_18]: Oh, well, I'm American, but I'm just here.
[01:09:29.670 --> 01:09:30.370] [EVILCORLEY]: It doesn't matter.
[01:09:30.590 --> 01:09:32.830] [EVILCORLEY]: You know, you could be whatever, but you're in Siberia.
[01:09:32.910 --> 01:09:33.610] [EVILCORLEY]: That's the cool part.
[01:09:34.890 --> 01:09:35.410] [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, yeah.
[01:09:35.790 --> 01:09:36.350] [EVILCORLEY]: I'm sorry.
[01:09:36.490 --> 01:09:39.370] [EVILCORLEY]: I don't mean to act like, you know, a starstruck.
[01:09:39.610 --> 01:09:39.970] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:09:40.030 --> 01:09:42.070] [EVILCORLEY]: So, what is it you wanted to share with us?
[01:09:42.210 --> 01:09:42.570] [EVILCORLEY]: Siberia.
[01:09:42.650 --> 01:09:43.230] [EVILCORLEY]: I can't believe it.
[01:09:43.330 --> 01:09:44.290] [SPEAKER_18]: Well, okay.
[01:09:44.290 --> 01:09:52.030] [SPEAKER_18]: I usually listen to the show on Spotify as well as a few other podcasts, podcasts, but I can't listen to them now.
[01:09:52.170 --> 01:09:53.370] [SPEAKER_18]: And it's really strange.
[01:09:53.370 --> 01:09:54.650] [SPEAKER_18]: And I don't like it.
[01:09:54.990 --> 01:09:57.190] [SPEAKER_18]: It's because of the way we...
[01:09:57.190 --> 01:09:57.830] [SPEAKER_18]: The power of the beam.
[01:09:58.090 --> 01:09:58.250] [EVILCORLEY]: Wait.
[01:09:58.410 --> 01:09:58.570] [EVILCORLEY]: Hold on.
[01:09:58.570 --> 01:09:59.450] [EVILCORLEY]: It's not because of us?
[01:09:59.770 --> 01:10:01.290] [EVILCORLEY]: We're not being annoying?
[01:10:01.950 --> 01:10:03.030] [EVILCORLEY]: It's because of Spotify?
[01:10:04.790 --> 01:10:05.190] [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah.
[01:10:05.430 --> 01:10:10.410] [SPEAKER_18]: Like, at first, I was like, whoa, they're like trying to not let me listen to Off The Hook.
[01:10:10.590 --> 01:10:24.410] [SPEAKER_18]: They're not trying to let me listen to like Malicious Life, Dark Knight Diaries, like all this stuff that I usually listen to, and yeah, I went and investigated a little bit more when I got here, and now I can't listen to any podcasts.
[01:10:24.910 --> 01:10:27.110] [SPEAKER_18]: Just no podcasts allowed in Russia.
[01:10:27.290 --> 01:10:29.050] [EVILCORLEY]: You just had to keep asking questions.
[01:10:29.050 --> 01:10:32.090] [EVILCORLEY]: That's what happens when you probe a little too deeply.
[01:10:32.290 --> 01:10:34.330] [SPEAKER_18]: I've been poking on Twitter.
[01:10:34.570 --> 01:10:35.190] [SPEAKER_18]: I've been poking.
[01:10:35.330 --> 01:10:38.510] [SPEAKER_18]: I poked at you guys a little bit, but I don't know how much that's monitored.
[01:10:39.110 --> 01:10:39.510] [SPEAKER_18]: But yeah.
[01:10:40.430 --> 01:10:41.250] [SPEAKER_18]: It may be mad.
[01:10:41.470 --> 01:10:43.650] [SPEAKER_18]: It may be really sad, and I want to do something about it.
[01:10:43.650 --> 01:10:44.170] [EVILCORLEY]: Uh-huh.
[01:10:44.330 --> 01:10:45.770] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, I guess.
[01:10:46.010 --> 01:10:47.290] [EVILCORLEY]: I don't use Spotify myself.
[01:10:47.490 --> 01:10:49.330] [EVILCORLEY]: Alex, do you have something to input here?
[01:10:50.270 --> 01:10:50.710] [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah.
[01:10:50.910 --> 01:10:57.150] [ALEXURBELS]: I mean, it seems like this is all based on your location, your GOIP coordinates, right?
[01:10:57.150 --> 01:10:58.130] [ALEXURBELS]: I would assume, caller.
[01:10:58.350 --> 01:11:04.210] [ALEXURBELS]: So have you tried popping up through a VPN and accessing Spotify that way?
[01:11:05.650 --> 01:11:07.910] [SPEAKER_18]: Well, yeah, I could circumvent it that way.
[01:11:08.070 --> 01:11:17.370] [SPEAKER_18]: But what really weirds me out and kind of bugs me is like, why would you try to stop the free flow of information to an entire populace of people?
[01:11:18.030 --> 01:11:20.190] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, you're asking that question from Siberia.
[01:11:20.250 --> 01:11:20.990] [EVILCORLEY]: You realize that?
[01:11:22.570 --> 01:11:23.090] [SPEAKER_18]: Yes.
[01:11:23.310 --> 01:11:24.650] [EVILCORLEY]: They kind of invented that.
[01:11:24.990 --> 01:11:28.010] [KYLEDROSDK]: And it didn't, in fact, work prior to this.
[01:11:28.170 --> 01:11:38.410] [ALEXURBELS]: But I think what the caller is getting at, which is really interesting and is a great point, is that this probably did not come from Spotify itself.
[01:11:38.490 --> 01:11:45.830] [ALEXURBELS]: This was a request from the Russian government to restrict this type of access for a large population of Russia.
[01:11:46.010 --> 01:11:52.950] [ALEXURBELS]: I mean, I would be very curious as to whether you can listen to Off The Hook or Darknet Diaries or something like that when you're in Moscow.
[01:11:52.950 --> 01:12:00.570] [EVILCORLEY]: Wait, wait, you're saying the government of Vladimir Putin has decided to restrict Off The Hook to the entire country of Russia?
[01:12:00.750 --> 01:12:03.450] [EVILCORLEY]: I mean, I just want to sit in that for a second and say, wow.
[01:12:03.670 --> 01:12:05.370] [ALEXURBELS]: Well, there's a couple of possibilities.
[01:12:05.370 --> 01:12:07.790] [EVILCORLEY]: On his radar, that is something.
[01:12:08.330 --> 01:12:09.430] [ALEXURBELS]: Well, maybe, who knows?
[01:12:09.550 --> 01:12:14.990] [ALEXURBELS]: But it could be that, let's assume that it is a, it comes from Moscow.
[01:12:14.990 --> 01:12:18.490] [ALEXURBELS]: It comes from Putin or maybe a cabinet minister or something like that.
[01:12:18.490 --> 01:12:39.590] [ALEXURBELS]: Then it could possibly apply to a broad category of podcasts or information that would relate broadly to, to hacking or generally to hacking, you know, or it could be a command or a decree from a local municipality somewhere in Siberia, you know, in Irkutsk or something like that,
[01:12:39.710 --> 01:12:41.710] [ALEXURBELS]: that could have made this type of decree.
[01:12:41.710 --> 01:12:53.070] [ALEXURBELS]: Or it could be Spotify trying to comply with some other legislative mandate about the spread of hacking related information, something like that.
[01:12:53.190 --> 01:13:07.910] [ALEXURBELS]: So it could be Spotify regulating itself or maybe over-regulating itself, which is often a very big problem when it comes to compliance with respect to content available in Russia for one reason or another.
[01:13:07.910 --> 01:13:14.230] [ALEXURBELS]: But either, either one of them is, you know, totally crazy and insane that the content is restricted.
[01:13:14.930 --> 01:13:15.390] [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah.
[01:13:15.550 --> 01:13:22.250] [KYLEDROSDK]: And it's, it's something that you've noticed recently changing.
[01:13:22.450 --> 01:13:31.370] [KYLEDROSDK]: I know there've been various crackdowns in, in other parts of the world on different sorts of, of media writ large.
[01:13:31.510 --> 01:13:34.390] [KYLEDROSDK]: So it may be a lot of different things are affected.
[01:13:34.390 --> 01:13:39.070] [KYLEDROSDK]: You, you listed several that you normally would be able to access.
[01:13:39.390 --> 01:13:44.330] [KYLEDROSDK]: So, um, it, it is a bit odd and does it really help?
[01:13:44.330 --> 01:14:04.410] [KYLEDROSDK]: I mean, and are, are these programs really doing anything that, that, uh, threaten the state of, of, uh, Russia other than informing people, um, or, um, addressing some of the news, uh, in geopolitics generally, which is unfortunate because people, I thought,
[01:14:04.410 --> 01:14:04.950] [KYLEDROSDK]: go ahead.
[01:14:05.050 --> 01:14:14.730] [SPEAKER_18]: I thought that it might've been, you know, just those specific podcasts at first, but then I started looking and it's just podcasts in general, no podcasts, well, whatsoever.
[01:14:15.210 --> 01:14:20.570] [SPEAKER_18]: And then I started digging a little bit deeper and apparently like Spotify is owned by a Swedish company.
[01:14:20.570 --> 01:14:26.970] [SPEAKER_18]: I found out, uh, I did a little research and yeah, Sweden apparently owns like some Swedish company apparently on Spotify.
[01:14:27.170 --> 01:14:30.470] [SPEAKER_18]: I didn't know that, but, uh, yeah, they're the ones calling the shots.
[01:14:30.650 --> 01:14:43.050] [SPEAKER_18]: I found a lot of people, a lot of, uh, Russian people complaining on Spotify forums that, yeah, like just, they've chosen to not allow podcasts of any type in Russia.
[01:14:43.330 --> 01:14:44.490] [SPEAKER_18]: It's really strange.
[01:14:44.670 --> 01:14:48.290] [SPEAKER_18]: And I don't understand why anybody would want to make that kind of decision.
[01:14:48.290 --> 01:14:55.350] [SPEAKER_18]: And just no information for you guys, the largest landmass, uh, with borders on earth.
[01:14:55.570 --> 01:14:59.550] [SPEAKER_18]: And, uh, you just want to cut them off from information of any, any sort.
[01:14:59.630 --> 01:15:00.290] [SPEAKER_18]: It's really strange.
[01:15:00.410 --> 01:15:03.630] [EVILCORLEY]: How, how long have you been, actually, um, uh, Gila has something.
[01:15:03.710 --> 01:15:04.090] [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead, Gila.
[01:15:04.270 --> 01:15:04.810] [GILADRAZEN]: I do.
[01:15:04.890 --> 01:15:06.010] [GILADRAZEN]: I was looking stuff up.
[01:15:06.430 --> 01:15:13.950] [GILADRAZEN]: Um, so Spotify launched in Russia about a year ago and they did not, they intentionally did not start with podcast capability.
[01:15:13.950 --> 01:15:25.090] [GILADRAZEN]: I found something Spotify said around the launch that podcasts were a nascent enough technology in Russia that they didn't want to support it yet.
[01:15:25.410 --> 01:15:35.670] [GILADRAZEN]: It's not, I don't think it's quite as sinister as it sounds necessarily, but I think they're trying to, it's probably a business decision.
[01:15:35.790 --> 01:15:37.470] [GILADRAZEN]: They're trying to pull the money where they can.
[01:15:37.870 --> 01:15:39.430] [GILADRAZEN]: Music is a big thing.
[01:15:39.690 --> 01:15:39.730] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:15:39.730 --> 01:15:44.450] [GILADRAZEN]: Russian language podcasts may not, it's probably like a wagging the tail dog thing.
[01:15:44.710 --> 01:15:45.650] [GILADRAZEN]: There aren't podcasts.
[01:15:45.850 --> 01:15:47.890] [GILADRAZEN]: They didn't support podcasts because they're not supporting podcasts.
[01:15:48.030 --> 01:15:48.770] [GILADRAZEN]: There aren't podcasts.
[01:15:49.150 --> 01:15:55.030] [GILADRAZEN]: Apparently they're definitely petitions where people want to listen to the Joe Rogan podcast in Russia.
[01:15:55.030 --> 01:15:56.430] [GILADRAZEN]: So they're really trying to make that happen.
[01:15:56.510 --> 01:15:56.670] [EVILCORLEY]: Really?
[01:15:56.770 --> 01:15:57.650] [EVILCORLEY]: That's what they're going for.
[01:15:57.950 --> 01:16:01.450] [GILADRAZEN]: Well, I, I just reads it.
[01:16:01.610 --> 01:16:02.230] [GILADRAZEN]: I don't makes it.
[01:16:02.230 --> 01:16:15.250] [KYLEDROSDK]: If they take over, like the podcasts that have huge, huge followings around the world, um, and maybe, uh, off the hook is in that category for our listeners.
[01:16:15.410 --> 01:16:21.290] [KYLEDROSDK]: Of course, maybe, uh, big influence, big, big following, all kinds of acclaim.
[01:16:21.290 --> 01:16:37.890] [KYLEDROSDK]: Um, well, that could thwart, as Gia pointed out, local, homegrown, nascent, um, Russian language, uh, podcasts or, or, um, talk shows in like a long format talk show.
[01:16:38.010 --> 01:16:39.010] [EVILCORLEY]: Siberian podcasting.
[01:16:39.110 --> 01:16:41.310] [EVILCORLEY]: That's what we, uh, I'm interested in it.
[01:16:41.810 --> 01:16:43.510] [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, call, let me ask you, how long have you been up there?
[01:16:45.030 --> 01:16:46.590] [SPEAKER_18]: Oh, just been here a few days.
[01:16:46.890 --> 01:16:49.570] [EVILCORLEY]: Are you taking the Trans-Siberian Railway by any chance?
[01:16:51.390 --> 01:16:52.210] [SPEAKER_18]: Oh, not yet.
[01:16:52.470 --> 01:16:53.930] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, because it goes through there, doesn't it?
[01:16:53.990 --> 01:16:54.490] [EVILCORLEY]: Definitely on the list.
[01:16:54.690 --> 01:16:57.130] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, it doesn't go through, uh, Nova's super school?
[01:16:58.390 --> 01:16:59.630] [SPEAKER_18]: Oh, I'm not, I'm not sure.
[01:16:59.950 --> 01:17:00.170] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:17:01.410 --> 01:17:01.590] [EVILCORLEY]: Wow.
[01:17:01.830 --> 01:17:03.490] [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, so tell us your impressions of the place.
[01:17:05.210 --> 01:17:05.850] [SPEAKER_18]: Oh, beautiful.
[01:17:06.170 --> 01:17:08.150] [SPEAKER_18]: Love, love the place, love the people, love the culture.
[01:17:08.350 --> 01:17:09.630] [SPEAKER_18]: Like, it's, uh, it's a lot of fun.
[01:17:09.890 --> 01:17:11.410] [SPEAKER_18]: Like, it's, uh, pretty cool.
[01:17:11.570 --> 01:17:18.930] [SPEAKER_18]: Not many people, well, not a lot of the older population speaks English, but a lot of the younger kids, they, you know, they can get around with it.
[01:17:18.930 --> 01:17:21.150] [SPEAKER_18]: So, it's, it's navigable.
[01:17:21.470 --> 01:17:25.530] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, and you're there in the summertime, so it, it must be rather pleasant right now.
[01:17:26.710 --> 01:17:27.730] [SPEAKER_18]: Uh, kind of rainy.
[01:17:28.330 --> 01:17:28.730] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:17:28.970 --> 01:17:31.830] [EVILCORLEY]: But in the winter, I think it would get a lot, uh, more chilly.
[01:17:34.470 --> 01:17:37.610] [SPEAKER_18]: Probably so, but I haven't had, uh, haven't had a taste of that.
[01:17:37.730 --> 01:17:38.250] [EVILCORLEY]: Right, right.
[01:17:38.950 --> 01:17:39.270] [EVILCORLEY]: Wow.
[01:17:39.870 --> 01:17:43.810] [EVILCORLEY]: Um, and anything else you want to share with us, uh, what, what life in Siberia is like?
[01:17:45.050 --> 01:17:49.750] [SPEAKER_18]: Nope, just want to, just wanted to raise a little stink about, uh, not being able to listen to Off The Hook.
[01:17:50.530 --> 01:17:52.670] [EVILCORLEY]: There must be another way you can listen to Off The Hook, though.
[01:17:53.190 --> 01:17:54.250] [EVILCORLEY]: There's got to be another way.
[01:17:54.350 --> 01:17:54.470] [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah.
[01:17:54.690 --> 01:17:59.450] [SPEAKER_18]: I didn't, oh yeah, I, I, where, there's a, you know, will, there's a way.
[01:17:59.450 --> 01:18:04.830] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, I mean, just our website, or WBAI.org, uh, or even YouTube for this.
[01:18:07.330 --> 01:18:10.910] [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah, I just wanted, I just wanted to, uh, yell at, yell at Spotify on the airwaves.
[01:18:11.230 --> 01:18:12.410] [KYLEDROSDK]: Well, we're glad you're out there.
[01:18:12.590 --> 01:18:13.130] [EVILCORLEY]: Yes, definitely.
[01:18:13.310 --> 01:18:14.610] [EVILCORLEY]: And, uh, Rob, I think you had something?
[01:18:15.390 --> 01:18:19.130] [ROBVINCENT]: Yeah, I'm, I'm going to be that guy and, uh, ask you, caller, how's the weather?
[01:18:20.330 --> 01:18:21.490] [EVILCORLEY]: He just said it was raining.
[01:18:21.570 --> 01:18:21.930] [SPEAKER_18]: Oh, rain.
[01:18:22.670 --> 01:18:22.870] [ROBVINCENT]: Very.
[01:18:24.130 --> 01:18:24.490] [ALEXURBELS]: Excellent.
[01:18:24.850 --> 01:18:25.410] [EVILCORLEY]: Alex, go ahead.
[01:18:26.230 --> 01:18:29.370] [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah, one more question for our caller before he hangs up.
[01:18:29.870 --> 01:18:31.550] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, it's like a press conference.
[01:18:31.710 --> 01:18:34.250] [EVILCORLEY]: When you call from Siberia, we're going to hit you with a lot of questions.
[01:18:35.370 --> 01:18:37.490] [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah, well, caller, говори по-русски, да? (Speaks Russian, yes?)
[01:18:38.650 --> 01:18:39.790] [EVILCORLEY]: He said he's American.
[01:18:39.970 --> 01:18:41.010] [EVILCORLEY]: He doesn't necessarily speak Russian.
[01:18:41.810 --> 01:18:42.390] [EVILCORLEY]: Do you speak Russian?
[01:18:42.530 --> 01:18:43.590] [ALEXURBELS]: Говори по-русски, чуть-чуть? (Speak Russian, a little bit?)
[01:18:44.190 --> 01:18:44.550] [ALEXURBELS]: Нет? (No?)
[01:18:45.270 --> 01:18:47.070] [SPEAKER_18]: Да, да, чуть-чуть, чуть-чуть, да. (Yeah, yeah, a little, a little, a little, yeah.)
[01:18:47.850 --> 01:18:51.290] [ALEXURBELS]: Чуть-чуть, я говорю по-русски чуть-чуть, я, мои друзья, русские, да. (A little bit, I speak Russian a little bit, I, my friends, Russians, yes.)
[01:18:51.510 --> 01:18:51.710] [EVILCORLEY]: Wow.
[01:18:51.850 --> 01:18:52.310] [ALEXURBELS]: Очень хорошо. (Very good.)
[01:18:53.510 --> 01:18:54.750] [ALEXURBELS]: Спасибо, пока. (Thanks, bye.)
[01:18:56.190 --> 01:18:57.550] [SPEAKER_15]: Да, да, да, да, да, да, да. (Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.)
[01:18:58.570 --> 01:18:59.610] [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, I know what that means.
[01:18:59.790 --> 01:19:00.050] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:19:01.630 --> 01:19:02.910] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, good talking to you.
[01:19:02.990 --> 01:19:05.290] [EVILCORLEY]: And, Alex, I'm going to figure out what you said.
[01:19:07.150 --> 01:19:08.450] [EVILCORLEY]: Sorry, that's what happens when I don't hang up.
[01:19:08.450 --> 01:19:09.750] [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, wow.
[01:19:10.070 --> 01:19:14.710] [EVILCORLEY]: So, this is, this is why we open it up to people who haven't called before, because we get calls from Siberia.
[01:19:14.910 --> 01:19:15.490] [EVILCORLEY]: Thank you.
[01:19:15.630 --> 01:19:16.190] [EVILCORLEY]: Thank you for that call.
[01:19:16.310 --> 01:19:16.690] [EVILCORLEY]: Very interesting.
[01:19:17.330 --> 01:19:22.330] [EVILCORLEY]: Our phone number, 802-321-4225, 802-321-HACK.
[01:19:22.910 --> 01:19:30.270] [EVILCORLEY]: If you have not called us in the past couple of weeks, then please call and, um, and share some, um, interesting stories or questions or whatever.
[01:19:31.850 --> 01:19:33.450] [EVILCORLEY]: I see we have another phone call coming in.
[01:19:36.250 --> 01:19:38.290] [EVILCORLEY]: Is it on, uh, ready to go?
[01:19:38.470 --> 01:19:38.690] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:19:39.130 --> 01:19:39.630] [EVILCORLEY]: Good evening.
[01:19:39.830 --> 01:19:40.930] [EVILCORLEY]: You're on Off The Hook Overtime.
[01:19:42.470 --> 01:19:43.390] [____BOBCAT]: Hey, it's Bobcat.
[01:19:43.930 --> 01:19:44.610] [EVILCORLEY]: Hey, Bobcat.
[01:19:44.650 --> 01:19:44.990] [EVILCORLEY]: How you doing?
[01:19:45.930 --> 01:19:46.350] [____BOBCAT]: All right.
[01:19:46.850 --> 01:19:47.250] [____BOBCAT]: Wait a minute.
[01:19:47.410 --> 01:19:47.770] [____BOBCAT]: Hold on.
[01:19:47.830 --> 01:19:48.990] [EVILCORLEY]: You might want to speak up a little bit.
[01:19:49.130 --> 01:19:51.530] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, you're coming in a little lower than the Siberian call.
[01:19:53.330 --> 01:19:55.970] [____BOBCAT]: Okay, um, a couple of things.
[01:19:56.330 --> 01:20:05.970] [____BOBCAT]: First, did you know that, uh, WWVH, the, uh, the time station, the time station, still has Jane Barbe announcing the time?
[01:20:06.670 --> 01:20:07.070] [EVILCORLEY]: Wow.
[01:20:07.130 --> 01:20:07.670] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, why not?
[01:20:07.690 --> 01:20:08.530] [EVILCORLEY]: You know, it works.
[01:20:09.830 --> 01:20:10.310] [____BOBCAT]: That's right.
[01:20:10.370 --> 01:20:19.650] [____BOBCAT]: That's the one in Hawaii, and you can get to it by calling, uh, 808-335-4363 if you want some, uh, nostalgia.
[01:20:20.350 --> 01:20:21.510] [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, what's that number again?
[01:20:21.930 --> 01:20:22.510] [EVILCORLEY]: 808, what?
[01:20:24.310 --> 01:20:27.390] [____BOBCAT]: 808-335-4363.
[01:20:27.610 --> 01:20:27.810] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:20:28.850 --> 01:20:31.010] [____BOBCAT]: Uh, or, of course, over the air still.
[01:20:32.170 --> 01:20:33.870] [EVILCORLEY]: What, what, what frequency over the air?
[01:20:34.010 --> 01:20:34.950] [EVILCORLEY]: It's like, um...
[01:20:34.950 --> 01:20:37.770] [____BOBCAT]: It's like, it's 5, 10 and 20 megahertz, I think, dude.
[01:20:38.190 --> 01:20:39.570] [____BOBCAT]: Um, I don't know.
[01:20:40.250 --> 01:20:41.450] [EVILCORLEY]: Right, on shortwave.
[01:20:41.570 --> 01:20:42.830] [____BOBCAT]: It's in Wikipedia, you can look it up.
[01:20:43.110 --> 01:20:43.570] [EVILCORLEY]: Right, right.
[01:20:43.790 --> 01:20:44.010] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:20:45.050 --> 01:20:50.110] [____BOBCAT]: And so, um, in memory of Rebel, I don't know if you're alive or dead, but free phone calls.
[01:20:50.110 --> 01:20:57.230] [____BOBCAT]: If you want to make free phone calls, you can get a free phone, uh, from the, uh, government lifeline plan.
[01:20:59.550 --> 01:21:00.870] [____BOBCAT]: You're familiar with this, aren't you?
[01:21:00.970 --> 01:21:01.930] [EVILCORLEY]: I believe so, yes.
[01:21:01.930 --> 01:21:06.270] [____BOBCAT]: It's commonly known as Obama phones, even though it just goes back to Reagan.
[01:21:06.690 --> 01:21:09.850] [____BOBCAT]: It's paid for by the Universal Service Fund on everybody's bill.
[01:21:10.490 --> 01:21:21.330] [____BOBCAT]: Um, and you used to get a free smartphone, um, in like a thousand minutes and four gigabytes of data every month.
[01:21:21.910 --> 01:21:31.630] [____BOBCAT]: Uh, if you were on food stamps or Medicaid, uh, on an Indian reservation, various things like that, uh, 130% of the poverty level.
[01:21:32.070 --> 01:21:53.170] [____BOBCAT]: Um, but now there's a thing called the Emergency Broadband Benefit, where if you had a significant loss of income last year due to COVID, you could get onto this program and now get unlimited data, 4G data, and a free cell phone, if you make less than $99,000 a year.
[01:21:54.430 --> 01:21:54.990] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:21:56.210 --> 01:21:59.390] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, that sounds like a good deal, so a good way to get a free cell phone.
[01:22:00.350 --> 01:22:04.790] [____BOBCAT]: And free data and, and free tethering and free hotspot.
[01:22:05.170 --> 01:22:06.630] [____BOBCAT]: 10 gigabytes of free hotspot.
[01:22:06.830 --> 01:22:08.190] [____BOBCAT]: I mean, that's just amazing.
[01:22:09.950 --> 01:22:11.550] [EVILCORLEY]: And, and, and how do people do this again?
[01:22:12.610 --> 01:22:22.850] [____BOBCAT]: You, uh, just Google Lifeline and there's, you'll find a website, uh, to, uh, find out what's available in your state and locality.
[01:22:23.670 --> 01:22:36.590] [____BOBCAT]: Um, there's, there's, uh, either cell phones or landline phones or, uh, like cable modems and various things, but for at least the foreseeable future, it's, uh, free unlimited broadband.
[01:22:36.590 --> 01:22:54.350] [____BOBCAT]: And so, uh, it's just stunning that it's, it's cheap enough for the, for these companies to give poor people or, well, $99,000 a year people, uh, a smartphone and still make money with unlimited data.
[01:22:54.870 --> 01:23:01.850] [____BOBCAT]: I mean, what, what, what does it cost to buy a phone and get unlimited data a month for, for even the cheapest plan anywhere?
[01:23:02.650 --> 01:23:11.970] [KYLEDROSDK]: They, they really have to subsidize it in some way because it's so important for people that are underserved with, uh, broadband who can't afford it.
[01:23:12.190 --> 01:23:29.150] [KYLEDROSDK]: And yeah, it's, uh, something that people should take advantage of if they're having trouble or if they find they're taking money away from other expenses just to stay connected to people, which goes right along with our story about prisons and, and all kinds of places,
[01:23:29.470 --> 01:23:45.250] [KYLEDROSDK]: whatever your life circumstance, having that connection is so vital to your health, mental health, um, and your family and, and community, uh, uh, uh, reaching out and, and, or working, functioning, um, accessing other services.
[01:23:45.370 --> 01:23:47.210] [EVILCORLEY]: It's the same thing we were saying about prison funds before.
[01:23:47.330 --> 01:23:47.970] [EVILCORLEY]: That you're owed.
[01:23:48.190 --> 01:23:49.970] [EVILCORLEY]: People need this to stay sane.
[01:23:49.970 --> 01:24:01.730] [KYLEDROSDK]: I mean, it is subsidized because it's, it's, uh, so important for everyday life, but also, um, people are owed, you know, they're, they ought to be taken care of and, and, uh, looked out for.
[01:24:02.170 --> 01:24:03.710] [KYLEDROSDK]: Um, and these are...
[01:24:03.710 --> 01:24:06.690] [____BOBCAT]: Even those poor guys making $99,000 a year.
[01:24:06.770 --> 01:24:07.630] [KYLEDROSDK]: They're relatively...
[01:24:07.630 --> 01:24:08.930] [EVILCORLEY]: It doesn't go as far as it used to.
[01:24:09.210 --> 01:24:14.970] [KYLEDROSDK]: They're relatively low cost, um, ways to really empower people, uh, with information.
[01:24:14.970 --> 01:24:18.790] [KYLEDROSDK]: And, and yeah, of course, yeah, you could build a business, I guess, around this.
[01:24:18.790 --> 01:24:32.930] [KYLEDROSDK]: And I think the government would be quite happy if you did, um, you know, with all of that hardware and, and, uh, data, you know, did something productive and maybe hired some people and, and, you know, that, they're all for that.
[01:24:34.490 --> 01:24:41.250] [____BOBCAT]: They hire people in the Philippines to be call-centered and they get cheap phones from China with malware in them.
[01:24:42.130 --> 01:24:43.830] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, that adds to the fun, I guess.
[01:24:44.390 --> 01:24:46.290] [____BOBCAT]: Just be alert if you get a free phone.
[01:24:46.450 --> 01:24:46.710] [EVILCORLEY]: Uh-huh.
[01:24:46.870 --> 01:24:48.390] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, that's how we find out.
[01:24:49.650 --> 01:24:51.810] [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah, no, it's, uh, it's true.
[01:24:52.130 --> 01:25:04.310] [KYLEDROSDK]: Um, that's, I, I've, um, I've done that before and, uh, I always, um, you know, check for what kind of SIM is in there and, uh, you know, remove it before I do anything else.
[01:25:04.490 --> 01:25:05.510] [EVILCORLEY]: Didn't you just get a free phone?
[01:25:05.830 --> 01:25:06.170] [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah.
[01:25:06.510 --> 01:25:07.550] [EVILCORLEY]: What kind of phone did you get?
[01:25:08.370 --> 01:25:09.990] [KYLEDROSDK]: It's, uh, it's not branded.
[01:25:10.250 --> 01:25:10.950] [EVILCORLEY]: It's not branded.
[01:25:10.950 --> 01:25:12.550] [EVILCORLEY]: And you got it from a big phone company too.
[01:25:12.670 --> 01:25:12.950] [EVILCORLEY]: I did.
[01:25:13.030 --> 01:25:13.310] [EVILCORLEY]: I don't know.
[01:25:13.370 --> 01:25:14.070] [EVILCORLEY]: I'm not going to say.
[01:25:18.790 --> 01:25:18.970] [KYLEDROSDK]: It's funny.
[01:25:19.110 --> 01:25:23.330] [KYLEDROSDK]: They didn't realize, um, what phone generation I'm on.
[01:25:23.450 --> 01:25:25.210] [KYLEDROSDK]: They think I'm on an older phone, I guess.
[01:25:25.310 --> 01:25:46.290] [KYLEDROSDK]: And they're like, hey, you know, 3G is ending because next year, I think February 2022, the 3G, third generation GSM network, um, will be, I believe, shut down and, uh, replaced or, um, basically everything below 4G and LTE, which most people are on now,
[01:25:46.710 --> 01:25:48.110] [KYLEDROSDK]: um, that will be the minimum.
[01:25:48.310 --> 01:25:49.550] [KYLEDROSDK]: So 3G won't work.
[01:25:49.710 --> 01:26:03.170] [KYLEDROSDK]: And, uh, so in thinking that they're offering this, uh, handset, which I took advantage of, but mostly because maybe it'll help do the radio show or something.
[01:26:03.170 --> 01:26:03.750] [KYLEDROSDK]: I don't know.
[01:26:03.830 --> 01:26:07.350] [KYLEDROSDK]: I could probably put it to use, but I wanted to see what they give me.
[01:26:07.350 --> 01:26:18.770] [KYLEDROSDK]: And, uh, yeah, so I got it and, um, removed that, um, component and it actually, it had a prepaid SIM in it, which is weird considering they know me, you know?
[01:26:18.910 --> 01:26:27.230] [KYLEDROSDK]: So I'm curious, um, what their expectation is, uh, as far as, and I, I really don't want them to shut down my other line or anything.
[01:26:27.510 --> 01:26:31.690] [EVILCORLEY]: Did it ring as soon as you opened the package and somebody on the other end said, okay, here's the instructions.
[01:26:31.690 --> 01:26:40.230] [KYLEDROSDK]: I, I checked for that, um, and there was no mention of like, uh, manila envelopes or briefcases or any kind of things like that.
[01:26:40.490 --> 01:26:40.750] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, keep it on.
[01:26:40.830 --> 01:26:41.970] [EVILCORLEY]: I'm sure it'll ring at some point.
[01:26:42.170 --> 01:26:42.890] [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah, probably.
[01:26:43.110 --> 01:26:46.790] [KYLEDROSDK]: But really it's, um, it's out there.
[01:26:46.890 --> 01:26:49.310] [KYLEDROSDK]: This stuff is, is ubiquitous.
[01:26:49.330 --> 01:26:57.870] [KYLEDROSDK]: There's so many, um, of these kinds of devices and, um, they're crucial to accessing so much now.
[01:26:57.870 --> 01:27:00.730] [KYLEDROSDK]: You know, I think that we've all realized anything else, Bobcat.
[01:27:01.470 --> 01:27:01.870] [____BOBCAT]: Yeah.
[01:27:02.150 --> 01:27:09.150] [____BOBCAT]: Um, I heard my name mentioned last week and yeah, Alex, Alex did that.
[01:27:09.350 --> 01:27:10.330] [EVILCORLEY]: He, he mixed you up with Bob.
[01:27:13.110 --> 01:27:16.950] [KYLEDROSDK]: One thing I forgot to say, um, rebel is still around.
[01:27:17.070 --> 01:27:18.130] [KYLEDROSDK]: He actually called a couple of weeks ago.
[01:27:18.190 --> 01:27:18.410] [KYLEDROSDK]: He did.
[01:27:18.510 --> 01:27:18.750] [EVILCORLEY]: He did.
[01:27:18.850 --> 01:27:19.070] [EVILCORLEY]: You're right.
[01:27:19.330 --> 01:27:19.810] [____BOBCAT]: Oh, okay.
[01:27:20.010 --> 01:27:23.370] [____BOBCAT]: I, I, I, I listen rarely, but I heard my name last week.
[01:27:23.470 --> 01:27:27.270] [____BOBCAT]: So I can, but, um, I also heard net neutrality.
[01:27:27.270 --> 01:27:29.010] [____BOBCAT]: Somebody's still worried about net neutrality.
[01:27:29.150 --> 01:27:31.350] [____BOBCAT]: For some reason, we never had net neutrality.
[01:27:31.530 --> 01:27:43.990] [____BOBCAT]: Our upload speeds were a 10th of our download speeds have been for, for 30 years, except for now we have, uh, fiber to the house.
[01:27:43.990 --> 01:27:45.630] [____BOBCAT]: I'm looking out the window at the wire.
[01:27:45.830 --> 01:27:46.670] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, speak for yourself.
[01:27:46.710 --> 01:27:48.590] [EVILCORLEY]: You might have it, but a lot of people don't.
[01:27:48.750 --> 01:27:57.990] [____BOBCAT]: Well, you know, you've got to, you've got to ask and you've got to go to the, go to the go next speed.com website and see where they're filling out the fiber.
[01:27:57.990 --> 01:27:59.810] [EVILCORLEY]: Go net, wait, what, what side is this?
[01:27:59.930 --> 01:28:00.750] [EVILCORLEY]: Go next speed.
[01:28:00.870 --> 01:28:02.210] [____BOBCAT]: Go net speed.
[01:28:02.370 --> 01:28:03.050] [EVILCORLEY]: Go net speed.
[01:28:03.470 --> 01:28:10.930] [____BOBCAT]: And the, so the fiber here for, um, $90 a month, free installation.
[01:28:11.390 --> 01:28:17.930] [____BOBCAT]: And that's a permanent price, uh, gigabit up and down for any non-commercial use.
[01:28:17.930 --> 01:28:30.430] [____BOBCAT]: So I can run a Plex server and have, uh, 40 of my friends and relatives watching, uh, 25, uh, megabit 4k TV played off my server here.
[01:28:31.450 --> 01:28:32.430] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, that's cool.
[01:28:32.650 --> 01:28:50.310] [KYLEDROSDK]: That I think is exactly what, um, you know, more broadband and faster speeds out to the neighborhoods and to the curbs, um, into the ghetto, you know, fiber to the ghetto fiber to the, to the sticks, you know, all of that needs to happen so that people can build,
[01:28:50.470 --> 01:28:52.650] [KYLEDROSDK]: uh, communities around it.
[01:28:52.970 --> 01:29:01.850] [KYLEDROSDK]: And it accelerates, um, a lot of that development and, and, uh, is a resource, tremendous resource.
[01:29:02.050 --> 01:29:02.750] [____BOBCAT]: Can I, can I ask?
[01:29:02.810 --> 01:29:11.170] [____BOBCAT]: I'm just amazed that this whole last year, everybody's talking about people, uh, didn't have Wi-Fi access and they had to go sit outside of Dunkin' Donuts with their laptops.
[01:29:12.230 --> 01:29:21.310] [____BOBCAT]: Just make a guest, uh, account, a guest SSID on your router that says password is password and let everybody just use it.
[01:29:23.250 --> 01:29:24.950] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, well, we could try that.
[01:29:25.230 --> 01:29:25.590] [EVILCORLEY]: The fast...
[01:29:25.590 --> 01:29:31.590] [____BOBCAT]: Walk down the street, there's hundreds and hundreds of hotspots, Wi-Fi names, all your neighbors.
[01:29:32.270 --> 01:29:34.190] [____BOBCAT]: Um, share.
[01:29:34.410 --> 01:29:34.970] [____BOBCAT]: Go ahead and share.
[01:29:35.110 --> 01:29:35.970] [____BOBCAT]: It's not hurting anybody.
[01:29:36.130 --> 01:29:37.270] [EVILCORLEY]: It's a great concept.
[01:29:37.750 --> 01:29:37.890] [____BOBCAT]: It's a great concept.
[01:29:38.410 --> 01:29:39.810] [____BOBCAT]: From your own, your own account.
[01:29:39.810 --> 01:29:44.910] [KYLEDROSDK]: Well, there's, there's so much more of it and it's, it is, uh, it's, uh, especially traveling.
[01:29:44.930 --> 01:29:49.010] [KYLEDROSDK]: It's, um, really, really helpful when airports and stuff and places offer that kind of thing.
[01:29:49.090 --> 01:30:08.130] [KYLEDROSDK]: But it is, um, really the fun of, of making use of all of that resource when it is improved and, and finding different ways, um, to share it and, and host your neighborhood, you know, help, help, help get other people connected, help them get information,
[01:30:08.390 --> 01:30:09.850] [KYLEDROSDK]: helping access in general.
[01:30:09.990 --> 01:30:18.150] [KYLEDROSDK]: I think that is the sort of altruism we all like to think of in this, uh, even though there's a lot of business and, and strategy and other things at play.
[01:30:18.390 --> 01:30:23.190] [KYLEDROSDK]: Um, but when people have more speed to play with personally, yeah.
[01:30:24.390 --> 01:30:33.810] [____BOBCAT]: And they have more, I mean, in New York city, there's no, nobody is, uh, uh, far away from a Wi-Fi router.
[01:30:34.670 --> 01:30:35.070] [EVILCORLEY]: True.
[01:30:35.550 --> 01:30:36.790] [____BOBCAT]: The houses are close together.
[01:30:37.150 --> 01:30:39.510] [____BOBCAT]: If you're in an apartment building, you're going to see 90 of them.
[01:30:40.870 --> 01:30:41.910] [____BOBCAT]: Just share a little.
[01:30:42.470 --> 01:30:44.310] [EVILCORLEY]: No, that's a, it's a, it's a, it's a great idea.
[01:30:44.510 --> 01:30:48.210] [EVILCORLEY]: I wish people did that more, but can I just ask you, you say you have fiber.
[01:30:48.210 --> 01:30:52.790] [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, are you getting your fiber from the, uh, the phone company or from the cable company?
[01:30:52.790 --> 01:30:57.150] [EVILCORLEY]: Because we're noticing it's kind of a, uh, competition between the two that's starting up.
[01:30:57.710 --> 01:30:59.550] [____BOBCAT]: The company is go net speed.
[01:30:59.990 --> 01:31:02.830] [____BOBCAT]: They ran this fiber a month and a half ago.
[01:31:02.910 --> 01:31:07.310] [EVILCORLEY]: Wait, that's the company you got it from, but I don't, I don't even have it yet.
[01:31:07.710 --> 01:31:08.070] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:31:08.470 --> 01:31:09.110] [____BOBCAT]: I don't need it.
[01:31:09.190 --> 01:31:11.650] [____BOBCAT]: I don't, I don't need a gigabit, uh, up and down for anything.
[01:31:12.430 --> 01:31:14.910] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, you don't know that you do, but you probably do at some point.
[01:31:15.250 --> 01:31:15.610] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:31:15.650 --> 01:31:26.770] [EVILCORLEY]: We'll look into this because we've noticed that the, uh, the local cable company is putting up these mystery boxes everywhere, uh, and not putting their name on it, but, uh, running fiber, uh, and, and not offering it yet.
[01:31:26.770 --> 01:31:28.010] [EVILCORLEY]: So it's kind of mysterious.
[01:31:28.970 --> 01:31:42.150] [____BOBCAT]: The, um, the, uh, incumbent, uh, phone company here, which used to be SNAT used to be, uh, AT&T, uh, they, they run fiber to the boxes and then it, the remainder of the copper is still there.
[01:31:42.370 --> 01:31:48.710] [____BOBCAT]: So the DSL terminates right down the line, right down the street from me, instead of doing home runs a mile away.
[01:31:49.290 --> 01:31:49.370] [EVILCORLEY]: Wow.
[01:31:50.550 --> 01:31:50.970] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:31:51.050 --> 01:31:51.990] [EVILCORLEY]: Sounds, sounds fascinating.
[01:31:53.330 --> 01:31:53.770] [____BOBCAT]: Yeah.
[01:31:53.910 --> 01:32:03.770] [____BOBCAT]: And it's, if anybody wants to buy me a $90 a month, uh, fiber, cause I, I, I don't pay for Internet access because I have a account from, uh, one of my clients.
[01:32:03.990 --> 01:32:26.050] [____BOBCAT]: And so I get all the, you know, I can use 15 devices from, uh, my business account, uh, uh, over the cable vision, uh, system because they have every, every, every homeowner here with cable vision is broadcasting, uh, an optimum Wi-Fi signal also, which I just connected.
[01:32:26.470 --> 01:32:27.070] [EVILCORLEY]: Wow.
[01:32:28.010 --> 01:32:28.610] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:32:28.830 --> 01:32:29.750] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, that's, that's something.
[01:32:30.310 --> 01:32:30.790] [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah, it's true.
[01:32:30.890 --> 01:32:35.310] [____BOBCAT]: The negative down, uh, uh, 13 up fine for free.
[01:32:36.070 --> 01:32:36.390] [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah.
[01:32:36.570 --> 01:32:41.170] [KYLEDROSDK]: Those systems are, um, putting it closer and closer, like you said, uh, right around the corner.
[01:32:41.490 --> 01:32:44.890] [KYLEDROSDK]: So there's no need really to, you don't want for very much.
[01:32:46.990 --> 01:32:47.290] [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[01:32:47.350 --> 01:32:48.030] [EVILCORLEY]: Hey, thanks for the call.
[01:32:48.090 --> 01:32:48.530] [EVILCORLEY]: Good hearing from you.
[01:32:49.490 --> 01:32:49.830] [____BOBCAT]: All right.
[01:32:49.970 --> 01:32:50.290] [____BOBCAT]: See you.
[01:32:50.390 --> 01:32:50.690] [____BOBCAT]: Take care.
[01:32:52.470 --> 01:32:52.790] [EVILCORLEY]: Wow.
[01:32:52.910 --> 01:32:53.070] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:32:53.190 --> 01:32:56.930] [EVILCORLEY]: So before somebody else calls in, Kyle, can you dial a number for me on my phone?
[01:32:57.330 --> 01:33:01.150] [EVILCORLEY]: So pick it up before it rings because people are calling right now.
[01:33:02.190 --> 01:33:02.630] [EVILCORLEY]: Got it picked up?
[01:33:02.810 --> 01:33:02.910] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[01:33:03.090 --> 01:33:03.210] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:33:03.270 --> 01:33:05.290] [EVILCORLEY]: Dial this number, uh, what, what, what Bobcat just told us.
[01:33:05.290 --> 01:33:11.210] [EVILCORLEY]: About WWVH, uh, 1-8-0-8-3-3-5-4-3-6-3.
[01:33:12.830 --> 01:33:13.590] [KYLEDROSDK]: One what?
[01:33:13.730 --> 01:33:14.150] [EVILCORLEY]: Oh my God.
[01:33:14.590 --> 01:33:19.450] [EVILCORLEY]: 8-0-8-3-3-5-4-3-6-3.
[01:33:22.210 --> 01:33:22.690] [KYLEDROSDK]: Okay.
[01:33:22.870 --> 01:33:23.290] [KYLEDROSDK]: So spot.
[01:33:23.710 --> 01:33:26.590] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, put it in, put it in a mode where I can put it on the air.
[01:33:27.750 --> 01:33:28.470] [EVILCORLEY]: God's sake.
[01:33:30.530 --> 01:33:31.010] [EVILCORLEY]: Wow.
[01:33:32.430 --> 01:33:32.910] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:33:33.070 --> 01:33:35.210] [EVILCORLEY]: Remedial telephone training is, I'm sorry.
[01:33:35.210 --> 01:33:35.710] [EVILCORLEY]: What's that, Rob?
[01:33:37.050 --> 01:33:37.890] [ALEXURBELS]: That was Alex.
[01:33:38.130 --> 01:33:38.410] [ALEXURBELS]: Oh, Alex.
[01:33:38.410 --> 01:33:40.210] [ALEXURBELS]: I think it was on the air already.
[01:33:40.890 --> 01:33:42.010] [EVILCORLEY]: What do you mean it's on the air already?
[01:33:42.530 --> 01:33:45.370] [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah, because it was, it was the tones we were looking for, right?
[01:33:45.870 --> 01:33:46.830] [EVILCORLEY]: I don't know what he's talking about.
[01:33:47.050 --> 01:33:47.410] [KYLEDROSDK]: 8-0-8.
[01:33:47.510 --> 01:33:48.370] [KYLEDROSDK]: What was the last part of it?
[01:33:48.490 --> 01:33:49.570] [EVILCORLEY]: Ah, 3-3-5.
[01:33:50.630 --> 01:33:51.710] [EVILCORLEY]: 4-3-6-3.
[01:33:52.150 --> 01:33:54.350] [EVILCORLEY]: And you give me a signal when it's safe for me to hit the button.
[01:33:55.030 --> 01:33:55.530] [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[01:33:55.750 --> 01:33:56.190] [EVILCORLEY]: That's better.
[01:33:57.610 --> 01:33:58.790] [EVILCORLEY]: Jane Barbee, everybody.
[01:34:00.190 --> 01:34:00.890] [SPEAKER_15]: Thank you.
[01:34:10.480 --> 01:34:12.160] [EVILCORLEY]: Obviously, this isn't her, but she's coming.
[01:34:15.450 --> 01:34:21.110] [SPEAKER_00]: At the tone, 0 hours, 37 minutes, coordinated universal time.
[01:34:32.250 --> 01:34:32.770] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:34:33.050 --> 01:34:35.650] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, that was worth it, I think.
[01:34:35.770 --> 01:34:36.870] [EVILCORLEY]: Thank you very much for that, Kyle.
[01:34:36.870 --> 01:34:41.890] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, the voice of Jane Barbee, who you might remember from phone company recordings.
[01:34:43.470 --> 01:34:44.430] [EVILCORLEY]: Lives on forever.
[01:34:44.990 --> 01:34:46.150] [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah, that's pretty amazing.
[01:34:46.290 --> 01:34:49.610] [ALEXURBELS]: I never used that phone number a long time ago, but as you said...
[01:34:49.610 --> 01:34:51.670] [EVILCORLEY]: Why would you call Hawaii to find out what time it is?
[01:34:52.810 --> 01:34:53.870] [ALEXURBELS]: Well, I don't know.
[01:34:54.150 --> 01:34:56.830] [ALEXURBELS]: There's worse things, I guess, you can do with your time.
[01:34:56.990 --> 01:35:00.210] [EVILCORLEY]: Does the old phone number for the time still work?
[01:35:00.310 --> 01:35:03.710] [EVILCORLEY]: 9-7-6, or was it 1-2-1-2 or 1-6-1-6?
[01:35:03.790 --> 01:35:04.130] [EVILCORLEY]: One of those.
[01:35:06.870 --> 01:35:07.970] [EVILCORLEY]: Does anybody do that?
[01:35:08.810 --> 01:35:11.110] [ALEXURBELS]: Well, was it 9-5-6, or was it...
[01:35:11.110 --> 01:35:12.670] [EVILCORLEY]: It used to be 9-3-6.
[01:35:13.090 --> 01:35:15.370] [EVILCORLEY]: Then it was 9-7-6 when they standardized it.
[01:35:15.570 --> 01:35:17.410] [EVILCORLEY]: And I remember there was the weather.
[01:35:17.670 --> 01:35:19.350] [EVILCORLEY]: There was time.
[01:35:19.350 --> 01:35:21.230] [EVILCORLEY]: There was OTB report.
[01:35:21.350 --> 01:35:22.610] [EVILCORLEY]: There was Santa Claus in December.
[01:35:23.290 --> 01:35:24.670] [EVILCORLEY]: There was sports phone.
[01:35:25.350 --> 01:35:31.790] [EVILCORLEY]: And then you had all the porn ones over on, I think, 5-4-0 or 9-7-0 or something like that.
[01:35:33.050 --> 01:35:35.310] [EVILCORLEY]: But those were the ones I remember as a kid.
[01:35:36.570 --> 01:35:38.150] [EVILCORLEY]: The dial-out service numbers.
[01:35:39.350 --> 01:35:39.930] [EVILCORLEY]: Good times.
[01:35:40.110 --> 01:35:40.190] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[01:35:40.490 --> 01:35:41.730] [ALEXURBELS]: They're all pretty cool.
[01:35:41.870 --> 01:35:44.010] [ALEXURBELS]: But, I mean, it was absolutely accurate, too.
[01:35:44.150 --> 01:35:48.810] [ALEXURBELS]: As the tone rang, my clock ticked over to 8-37.
[01:35:49.910 --> 01:35:52.770] [ALEXURBELS]: It was 37 UTC at that time.
[01:35:52.810 --> 01:35:53.950] [EVILCORLEY]: Why would you think it wouldn't be accurate?
[01:35:54.010 --> 01:35:54.710] [EVILCORLEY]: Of course it's accurate.
[01:35:54.910 --> 01:35:55.990] [EVILCORLEY]: It's WWV-H.
[01:35:56.210 --> 01:35:57.850] [EVILCORLEY]: And, you know, WWV is in Colorado.
[01:35:57.850 --> 01:36:09.570] [ALEXURBELS]: I'm actually more surprised that the Mac I'm on right now was synced up perfectly to UTC and Jane Barbe over in Hawaii.
[01:36:09.790 --> 01:36:10.510] [EVILCORLEY]: It's pretty cool.
[01:36:10.670 --> 01:36:12.470] [EVILCORLEY]: The Mac is taking care of these things.
[01:36:13.250 --> 01:36:14.150] [EVILCORLEY]: We have a phone call.
[01:36:14.330 --> 01:36:14.670] [EVILCORLEY]: Good evening.
[01:36:14.810 --> 01:36:16.150] [EVILCORLEY]: You're on Off The Hook Overtime.
[01:36:16.230 --> 01:36:16.430] [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead.
[01:36:17.830 --> 01:36:19.730] [____BOBSON]: Good evening, Off The Hook Overtime.
[01:36:19.970 --> 01:36:20.790] [EVILCORLEY]: Hi, Bobson.
[01:36:20.830 --> 01:36:21.110] [EVILCORLEY]: How are you?
[01:36:21.250 --> 01:36:23.390] [EVILCORLEY]: Technically, you called us more recently.
[01:36:23.390 --> 01:36:26.910] [EVILCORLEY]: But it's okay, because you're in Bulgaria, and we'd like to hear from you.
[01:36:28.850 --> 01:36:32.670] [____BOBSON]: Well, this show, I'm not the furthest away in the future.
[01:36:32.990 --> 01:36:36.310] [____BOBSON]: Phone call will be with a fellow from Novosibirsk.
[01:36:36.750 --> 01:36:37.190] [____BOBSON]: So, yeah.
[01:36:37.430 --> 01:36:37.650] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[01:36:37.810 --> 01:36:39.450] [EVILCORLEY]: Have you ever been to Siberia?
[01:36:40.590 --> 01:36:41.630] [____BOBSON]: No, not yet.
[01:36:42.070 --> 01:36:42.370] [EVILCORLEY]: Mm-hmm.
[01:36:43.390 --> 01:36:44.110] [EVILCORLEY]: I've been there.
[01:36:44.270 --> 01:36:46.070] [EVILCORLEY]: I went to the Trans-Siberian Rail.
[01:36:46.330 --> 01:36:53.310] [EVILCORLEY]: And I was in Irkuk, I know that, and various other cities, and Mongolia, eventually.
[01:36:56.520 --> 01:36:58.620] [____BOBSON]: I had a...
[01:36:59.680 --> 01:37:18.180] [____BOBSON]: You mentioned a program that certain companies, starting with their network devices, to set up a network for their own use, what used to be a very large number of books, a quarter century ago.
[01:37:18.360 --> 01:37:27.180] [____BOBSON]: So, they got into electronic devices, and in recent weeks, you mentioned they're setting up something on 900 megahertz.
[01:37:27.980 --> 01:37:33.520] [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah, that was the Amazon home robot.
[01:37:34.580 --> 01:37:35.300] [____BOBSON]: Yeah.
[01:37:35.900 --> 01:37:42.360] [____BOBSON]: Well, the problem with that frequency is it was reserved for the first-generation GSM phones.
[01:37:42.480 --> 01:37:42.880] [EVILCORLEY]: That's right.
[01:37:44.320 --> 01:37:46.880] [____BOBSON]: Which are probably...
[01:37:48.460 --> 01:38:00.540] [____BOBSON]: So, they may not be able to set these networks in Europe nowadays, as long as the first-generation GSM is still operational, if it is.
[01:38:00.540 --> 01:38:03.020] [EVILCORLEY]: Are people still using first-generation GSM in Europe?
[01:38:07.250 --> 01:38:15.070] [____BOBSON]: Well, I'm not sure, but I don't... I would not be surprised if it was.
[01:38:16.610 --> 01:38:25.270] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, these Amazon robots, which, by the way, sounds like a terrible idea, they'll let us know, I'm sure, if they're being interfered with by something else.
[01:38:26.830 --> 01:38:28.210] [____BOBSON]: Well, yeah, it's...
[01:38:28.910 --> 01:38:32.510] [____BOBSON]: So, I know some of you are following the Euro at present.
[01:38:32.510 --> 01:38:39.770] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, please don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't tell us anything about today's games, because we haven't, we haven't finished.
[01:38:40.130 --> 01:38:40.390] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:38:40.390 --> 01:38:40.690] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, it does.
[01:38:40.770 --> 01:38:43.330] [EVILCORLEY]: We don't want to know if they're good or bad or anything like that.
[01:38:43.450 --> 01:38:45.970] [EVILCORLEY]: So, if you're going to talk about Euro, talk about yesterday, but not today.
[01:38:47.850 --> 01:38:50.290] [____BOBSON]: So, I thought you were watching them live, or are they...
[01:38:50.290 --> 01:38:51.750] [EVILCORLEY]: No, it's impossible to watch them live.
[01:38:51.930 --> 01:38:53.490] [EVILCORLEY]: It's, it's, it's at 8:30 in the morning.
[01:38:53.770 --> 01:38:56.030] [EVILCORLEY]: And plus, there's four games in a day.
[01:38:56.170 --> 01:38:56.950] [EVILCORLEY]: How are we going to do that?
[01:38:57.070 --> 01:38:58.570] [EVILCORLEY]: You know, we have a radio show to prepare for.
[01:38:59.190 --> 01:39:02.030] [____BOBSON]: Well, there's four games in two time slots only.
[01:39:02.410 --> 01:39:03.630] [EVILCORLEY]: Exactly, yes, I know that.
[01:39:03.710 --> 01:39:11.370] [EVILCORLEY]: But I try to watch the two that are on at the same time without having one ruin the other, because the commentators can't keep their mouth shut about what's going on in the other game.
[01:39:12.030 --> 01:39:14.050] [EVILCORLEY]: But it's been frustrating, to say the least.
[01:39:14.170 --> 01:39:15.570] [EVILCORLEY]: But after today, it gets a little bit easier.
[01:39:15.590 --> 01:39:17.030] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, the German...
[01:39:17.030 --> 01:39:17.770] [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, don't say it!
[01:39:17.850 --> 01:39:20.130] [EVILCORLEY]: I know, Germany's playing, but don't say anything about the game.
[01:39:20.250 --> 01:39:20.330] [EVILCORLEY]: No, no, no.
[01:39:20.330 --> 01:39:26.510] [____BOBSON]: The German TV networks are showing the two scores of the simultaneous game, showing just one game.
[01:39:26.830 --> 01:39:27.230] [EVILCORLEY]: Uh-huh.
[01:39:27.230 --> 01:39:29.730] [____BOBSON]: And they have a small piece of...
[01:39:29.730 --> 01:39:32.250] [____BOBSON]: a small rectangle with the score on the other game.
[01:39:32.350 --> 01:39:33.390] [____BOBSON]: That you can cover up.
[01:39:33.770 --> 01:39:34.990] [EVILCORLEY]: That you can cover up.
[01:39:35.150 --> 01:39:36.250] [EVILCORLEY]: And they're not saying it.
[01:39:36.330 --> 01:39:36.810] [EVILCORLEY]: That's smart.
[01:39:36.890 --> 01:39:37.790] [EVILCORLEY]: I wish they would do that here.
[01:39:40.010 --> 01:39:40.750] [____BOBSON]: Well, yeah.
[01:39:40.910 --> 01:39:49.350] [____BOBSON]: I remember watching the 94 World Cup in the US, and they were still trying to figure it out.
[01:39:49.470 --> 01:39:52.610] [____BOBSON]: And I'm guessing there is progress in the meantime.
[01:39:52.610 --> 01:39:53.270] [EVILCORLEY]: Uh-huh.
[01:39:54.450 --> 01:39:55.970] [EVILCORLEY]: You know, it's actually a good thing.
[01:39:56.870 --> 01:39:58.550] [EVILCORLEY]: Euro 2020 is happening now.
[01:39:58.690 --> 01:39:59.670] [EVILCORLEY]: It's 2021, obviously.
[01:39:59.910 --> 01:40:02.410] [EVILCORLEY]: It got postponed a year, and they kept the name.
[01:40:02.590 --> 01:40:05.430] [EVILCORLEY]: But the next World Cup is in Qatar.
[01:40:06.590 --> 01:40:14.430] [EVILCORLEY]: And that was supposed to be in 2022, but it's way too hot in the Mideast at that time of year.
[01:40:14.430 --> 01:40:15.990] [EVILCORLEY]: So they're having it, I think, in November.
[01:40:16.390 --> 01:40:25.230] [EVILCORLEY]: So it's actually being pushed back a little bit, but the COVID-19 crisis has delayed everything.
[01:40:25.230 --> 01:40:29.890] [EVILCORLEY]: So it actually is a good thing that it's being pushed, you know, back a little bit.
[01:40:30.090 --> 01:40:30.770] [EVILCORLEY]: To their winter?
[01:40:31.190 --> 01:40:32.390] [EVILCORLEY]: To their winter, yeah.
[01:40:32.570 --> 01:40:33.610] [EVILCORLEY]: Which isn't much of a winter.
[01:40:34.110 --> 01:40:36.830] [EVILCORLEY]: But that adds another five months or so.
[01:40:37.630 --> 01:40:39.410] [EVILCORLEY]: So it kind of works out.
[01:40:41.190 --> 01:40:42.430] [____BOBSON]: Well, let's hope so.
[01:40:42.650 --> 01:40:42.890] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[01:40:43.090 --> 01:40:51.150] [____BOBSON]: I'm looking forward to the qualification games starting in September around here, or August.
[01:40:51.390 --> 01:40:52.510] [____BOBSON]: No, early September.
[01:40:52.830 --> 01:40:53.030] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[01:40:53.870 --> 01:40:54.390] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, those are fun.
[01:40:54.690 --> 01:40:57.650] [____BOBSON]: Although they already started in March, but I missed them.
[01:40:57.810 --> 01:40:59.810] [____BOBSON]: So yeah, there's some coming up in September.
[01:41:00.070 --> 01:41:02.830] [EVILCORLEY]: And some of the World Cup qualifying games, nobody attends.
[01:41:03.030 --> 01:41:06.990] [EVILCORLEY]: You know, it's very sparse attendance because people don't think it really matters that much.
[01:41:07.050 --> 01:41:07.490] [EVILCORLEY]: But it does.
[01:41:07.670 --> 01:41:08.310] [EVILCORLEY]: It adds up.
[01:41:08.450 --> 01:41:10.270] [EVILCORLEY]: You know, there's a bunch of games you have to play to qualify.
[01:41:10.590 --> 01:41:13.390] [____BOBSON]: Well, I intend to do my best.
[01:41:13.490 --> 01:41:16.690] [____BOBSON]: And also, there is the Women's World Cup 2023.
[01:41:17.350 --> 01:41:17.930] [EVILCORLEY]: That's right.
[01:41:19.310 --> 01:41:23.350] [____BOBSON]: And there's going to be qualifying games for it next year also.
[01:41:23.610 --> 01:41:25.130] [EVILCORLEY]: And that's a sport where the U.S. kicks ass, where we really are the champions.
[01:41:28.370 --> 01:41:29.510] [____BOBSON]: Yeah, I remember that.
[01:41:29.510 --> 01:41:31.270] [____BOBSON]: I watched that championship.
[01:41:31.270 --> 01:41:32.030] [____BOBSON]: Yeah.
[01:41:34.290 --> 01:41:35.690] [EVILCORLEY]: Anything else, Popsin?
[01:41:36.990 --> 01:41:42.270] [____BOBSON]: Well, no, it's good hearing from you and...
[01:41:43.170 --> 01:41:43.690] [EVILCORLEY]: Likewise.
[01:41:43.950 --> 01:41:45.810] [____BOBSON]: Keep up the radios.
[01:41:46.270 --> 01:41:48.250] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, thank you for your support and for calling in.
[01:41:48.290 --> 01:41:49.650] [EVILCORLEY]: And we hope to see you again soon.
[01:41:51.590 --> 01:41:52.870] [____BOBSON]: Looking forward to it.
[01:41:53.130 --> 01:41:53.470] [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[01:41:53.550 --> 01:41:55.190] [____BOBSON]: And enjoy the Wednesday games.
[01:41:55.190 --> 01:41:56.150] [EVILCORLEY]: I will try.
[01:41:56.350 --> 01:41:56.790] [EVILCORLEY]: I will try.
[01:41:57.010 --> 01:41:57.190] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:41:57.290 --> 01:41:58.890] [EVILCORLEY]: But we're not going to talk about it anymore.
[01:41:59.050 --> 01:41:59.770] [EVILCORLEY]: Have a good night.
[01:42:01.090 --> 01:42:01.490] [EVILCORLEY]: Oops.
[01:42:01.710 --> 01:42:02.170] [EVILCORLEY]: He hung up.
[01:42:03.070 --> 01:42:07.010] [EVILCORLEY]: You see, the fact that he said enjoy the Wednesday games tells me that the Wednesday games happened.
[01:42:07.290 --> 01:42:08.910] [EVILCORLEY]: So that kind of ruins it for me.
[01:42:08.930 --> 01:42:10.250] [EVILCORLEY]: Because who knows?
[01:42:10.290 --> 01:42:11.170] [EVILCORLEY]: A meteor could have struck.
[01:42:11.350 --> 01:42:12.890] [EVILCORLEY]: And I want to be surprised.
[01:42:13.110 --> 01:42:14.150] [EVILCORLEY]: I don't want it to...
[01:42:14.150 --> 01:42:14.690] [EVILCORLEY]: It's a spoiler.
[01:42:15.130 --> 01:42:16.090] [EVILCORLEY]: The games got played.
[01:42:16.310 --> 01:42:16.710] [EVILCORLEY]: Wow.
[01:42:19.370 --> 01:42:20.150] [EVILCORLEY]: It's really hard.
[01:42:20.250 --> 01:42:20.790] [EVILCORLEY]: It's really hard.
[01:42:22.910 --> 01:42:23.310] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:42:23.310 --> 01:42:23.930] [EVILCORLEY]: What's this?
[01:42:24.090 --> 01:42:25.870] [EVILCORLEY]: This is something we really should have talked about on the other show.
[01:42:26.010 --> 01:42:27.210] [EVILCORLEY]: But there's only so much time.
[01:42:27.810 --> 01:42:33.330] [EVILCORLEY]: But apparently, American authorities have seized a bunch of Iran's state-linked news websites.
[01:42:34.710 --> 01:42:37.350] [EVILCORLEY]: They accused them of spreading disinformation.
[01:42:38.350 --> 01:42:39.530] [EVILCORLEY]: That's according to a U.S. Justice Department statement yesterday.
[01:42:42.050 --> 01:42:47.510] [EVILCORLEY]: It's a far-reaching crackdown on Iranian media amid heightened tension between the two countries.
[01:42:47.510 --> 01:42:55.410] [EVILCORLEY]: The Justice Department said 33 of the seized websites were used by the Iranian Islamic Radio and Television Union, which was singled out by the U.S. government last October for what officials described as efforts to spread disinformation and sow discord among American voters ahead of the presidential election.
[01:43:07.070 --> 01:43:17.670] [EVILCORLEY]: The U.S. says three other seized websites were operated by the Iraqi Shiite paramilitary group, Qatib Hezbollah, which more than a decade ago was designated a foreign terrorist organization.
[01:43:17.990 --> 01:43:23.230] [EVILCORLEY]: The group is separate from the Lebanese militant Hezbollah group whose news websites remained operational.
[01:43:24.330 --> 01:43:25.830] [EVILCORLEY]: So Hezbollah is okay.
[01:43:26.010 --> 01:43:29.310] [EVILCORLEY]: Hezbollah is over the line, apparently.
[01:43:31.810 --> 01:43:39.150] [EVILCORLEY]: The website domains are owned by U.S. companies, but despite the sanctions, neither the IRTVU nor KH obtained the required licenses from the U.S. government before using the domain name.
[01:43:42.150 --> 01:43:43.470] [EVILCORLEY]: That's according to the Justice Department.
[01:43:43.470 --> 01:43:51.350] [EVILCORLEY]: This announcement came hours after the Iranian state-run news agency, IRNA, revealed the U.S. government's seizures without providing further information.
[01:43:57.090 --> 01:43:58.890] [EVILCORLEY]: Very interesting stuff here.
[01:43:59.170 --> 01:44:01.450] [EVILCORLEY]: These are Iranian-run sites.
[01:44:02.570 --> 01:44:06.350] [EVILCORLEY]: And I imagine they're operated in Iran.
[01:44:07.130 --> 01:44:22.730] [EVILCORLEY]: And the Justice Department says that because they're spreading disinformation, which is something that I believe has always been an accusation for foreign news media, they're able to simply shut them down and seize them.
[01:44:22.910 --> 01:44:23.770] [EVILCORLEY]: What do you think about this, Alex?
[01:44:25.430 --> 01:44:27.650] [ALEXURBELS]: This is a pretty fascinating story.
[01:44:28.210 --> 01:44:31.530] [ALEXURBELS]: And I've been tracking it pretty closely.
[01:44:32.350 --> 01:44:44.070] [ALEXURBELS]: What's also interesting is that this was very widely reported yesterday, and I can't figure out exactly why, because this has happened relatively recently as well.
[01:44:44.290 --> 01:45:03.830] [ALEXURBELS]: Back on the 7th of October, the FBI and the Department of Justice actually seized 92 domains that related to propaganda or disinformation, of which actually four pretended to be generic news outlets that were supposedly run by the Iranian National Guard,
[01:45:04.030 --> 01:45:14.750] [ALEXURBELS]: well, I'm sorry, not the National Guard, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard's Quds Force, the IRGC, the same organization that issued in the seizures that happened yesterday.
[01:45:16.150 --> 01:45:32.570] [ALEXURBELS]: But, you know, this one, it's a little bit different because these are, and perhaps this is why it was so much more widely reported, is because these are very well-known press outlets, Ron, that have been seized and terminated.
[01:45:32.810 --> 01:45:36.690] [ALEXURBELS]: And I think there's, you know, a lot to be said for that.
[01:45:39.290 --> 01:45:47.970] [ALEXURBELS]: It gives me, I think, a great amount of pause to have something like this done by one government to another government's news outlets.
[01:45:48.090 --> 01:45:48.290] [ALEXURBELS]: Yes.
[01:45:48.290 --> 01:45:49.210] [ALEXURBELS]: That's kind of scary.
[01:45:50.070 --> 01:46:00.370] [ALEXURBELS]: Yet, on the other hand, one of the things that we know is to be a fiction is that domain names don't belong to anybody.
[01:46:00.730 --> 01:46:07.770] [ALEXURBELS]: I mean, they're owned and operated, according to the Department of Justice and the complaints and the federal judiciary here, by U.S. companies when they exist in the dot-com TLD.
[01:46:10.950 --> 01:46:15.570] [ALEXURBELS]: And that's because VeriSign is the back-end registry operator.
[01:46:15.570 --> 01:46:21.510] [ALEXURBELS]: They're the party that is responsible for keeping track of what is in the dot-com zone file.
[01:46:21.690 --> 01:46:25.270] [ALEXURBELS]: All of the domains that are in dot-com, you don't necessarily own it.
[01:46:25.350 --> 01:46:27.090] [ALEXURBELS]: They're really owned by this U.S. company.
[01:46:27.610 --> 01:46:30.490] [ALEXURBELS]: And you are just leasing it for the period of the registration.
[01:46:30.490 --> 01:46:35.730] [EVILCORLEY]: Now, what if your top-level domain is a two-letter country top-level domain?
[01:46:36.090 --> 01:46:37.310] [ALEXURBELS]: That's totally different.
[01:46:37.510 --> 01:46:38.990] [ALEXURBELS]: That's completely different.
[01:46:38.990 --> 01:46:50.670] [ALEXURBELS]: And this goes back a long ways ago to how ICANN was formed and the jurisdiction that ICANN has over certain domains, generic top-level domains.
[01:46:50.670 --> 01:46:58.550] [ALEXURBELS]: because ICANN does not have really any powers over the country code top-level domains, the CCTLDs.
[01:46:58.690 --> 01:47:15.790] [ALEXURBELS]: So PressTV.com was one of the domains that was seized and turned off yesterday that just resurfaced not too long thereafter on PressTV.ir or, you know, the Iranian CCTLD.
[01:47:16.550 --> 01:47:24.270] [ALEXURBELS]: One of the things that's interesting too is I figured out a couple of these domains that were seized by the government.
[01:47:24.510 --> 01:47:26.670] [ALEXURBELS]: One was PressTV.com.
[01:47:26.830 --> 01:47:29.030] [ALEXURBELS]: Another outlet was Al Masara.
[01:47:29.410 --> 01:47:31.910] [ALEXURBELS]: And it was Al Masara.net.
[01:47:32.530 --> 01:47:34.850] [ALEXURBELS]: Another one was Al AlamTV.
[01:47:35.370 --> 01:47:37.710] [ALEXURBELS]: And that's Al AlamTV.net.
[01:47:37.710 --> 01:47:42.670] [ALEXURBELS]: And then there is also another domain, Al Maloma.
[01:47:42.950 --> 01:47:47.070] [ALEXURBELS]: Al Maloma, that's A-M-A-A-L-O-M-A-H.
[01:47:47.190 --> 01:47:48.090] [ALEXURBELS]: And that was .com.
[01:47:48.270 --> 01:47:50.740] [EVILCORLEY]: So Alex, you mentioned PressTV.com.
[01:47:51.550 --> 01:47:51.710] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[01:47:51.710 --> 01:47:56.550] [EVILCORLEY]: But you also mentioned a different PressTV domain before that that I think is in Iran.
[01:47:57.390 --> 01:47:58.090] [ALEXURBELS]: That's right.
[01:47:58.370 --> 01:47:58.590] [EVILCORLEY]: .IR.
[01:47:58.790 --> 01:48:00.950] [EVILCORLEY]: So that one was in touch, but .com was.
[01:48:01.310 --> 01:48:03.610] [ALEXURBELS]: Well, PressTV.com was seized.
[01:48:03.610 --> 01:48:09.050] [ALEXURBELS]: So that was subject to the order because it exists in the .com top-level domain.
[01:48:09.450 --> 01:48:12.630] [ALEXURBELS]: So what was not seized was PressTV.IR.
[01:48:12.750 --> 01:48:16.590] [ALEXURBELS]: And all they did was pick up operations on PressTV.IR.
[01:48:16.810 --> 01:48:22.110] [ALEXURBELS]: So this would be somewhat disruptive to their operations and maybe decrease their viewership.
[01:48:22.110 --> 01:48:24.010] [ALEXURBELS]: It would be a pain in the ass.
[01:48:24.010 --> 01:48:36.190] [ALEXURBELS]: But, you know, look, the TTL times, the time to live, is really what is going to dictate when all of that traffic is going to begin redirecting over to PressTV.IR anyhow.
[01:48:36.990 --> 01:48:49.650] [ALEXURBELS]: One of the other things that was interesting to see in all of the domains that were seized that I had taken a look at so far, they all point to a name server that belongs to AWS.
[01:48:50.550 --> 01:48:54.830] [ALEXURBELS]: So I guess the federal government has some contract with AWS.
[01:48:55.130 --> 01:48:55.470] [ALEXURBELS]: That's Amazon.
[01:48:55.750 --> 01:49:00.990] [ALEXURBELS]: To host their seized websites for the foreseeable future, which is somewhat interesting.
[01:49:01.230 --> 01:49:07.790] [EVILCORLEY]: So now the federal government can just step in and say this .com site is spreading disinformation.
[01:49:08.530 --> 01:49:10.150] [EVILCORLEY]: So therefore, we're going to seize it.
[01:49:10.230 --> 01:49:10.910] [EVILCORLEY]: We're going to shut it down.
[01:49:11.490 --> 01:49:13.910] [EVILCORLEY]: Tell me why this doesn't apply to FoxNews.com.
[01:49:15.370 --> 01:49:16.610] [ALEXURBELS]: Well, I guess it could.
[01:49:16.770 --> 01:49:17.230] [ALEXURBELS]: I'm serious.
[01:49:17.230 --> 01:49:17.970] [EVILCORLEY]: Why not?
[01:49:17.970 --> 01:49:21.910] [EVILCORLEY]: If you're going to do this to one entity, is it just because they're foreign?
[01:49:22.310 --> 01:49:23.930] [EVILCORLEY]: Or are you going to apply that?
[01:49:24.010 --> 01:49:26.870] [EVILCORLEY]: It seems very heavy handed to me, but I'd like to know this.
[01:49:26.950 --> 01:49:27.570] [EVILCORLEY]: Where does it stop?
[01:49:28.150 --> 01:49:35.930] [ALEXURBELS]: It has to do with the fact that they're foreign and the fact that they don't necessarily have a license to be doing what they're doing.
[01:49:36.210 --> 01:49:37.070] [EVILCORLEY]: What do you mean a license?
[01:49:37.350 --> 01:49:38.950] [EVILCORLEY]: What kind of license do you need to run a website?
[01:49:38.950 --> 01:49:51.650] [ALEXURBELS]: Well, if you think back to the press TV one, I believe, related to the Islamic Radio and Television Union, the IRTVU entity.
[01:49:52.030 --> 01:50:04.070] [ALEXURBELS]: And back, if you go back to October of 2020, OFAC, the Office of Foreign Assets Controls, designated IRTVU as an SDN.
[01:50:04.610 --> 01:50:06.730] [EVILCORLEY]: I have no idea what you just said.
[01:50:07.010 --> 01:50:09.430] [ALEXURBELS]: I can tell, I can tell you a few more, too.
[01:50:10.110 --> 01:50:20.090] [ALEXURBELS]: So an SDN, so OFAC, the Office of Foreign Assets Controls, designated the Islamic Radio and Television Union as an SDN or a specially designated national.
[01:50:20.090 --> 01:50:31.530] [ALEXURBELS]: And that's because, or it gave it this SDN status because OFAC believed that IRTVU was in fact controlled by the IRGC.
[01:50:31.710 --> 01:50:32.190] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, of course.
[01:50:32.290 --> 01:50:33.070] [EVILCORLEY]: Everybody knows that.
[01:50:33.630 --> 01:50:34.710] [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah, I know.
[01:50:35.130 --> 01:50:47.890] [ALEXURBELS]: So essentially what I'm saying is it was designated as put under this status because the federal government believed that the Islamic Revolutionary Guard, Quds Force, had controlled the actual television station.
[01:50:47.890 --> 01:50:51.390] [ALEXURBELS]: So it was put on this list, essentially a sanctions list.
[01:50:52.030 --> 01:50:54.790] [ALEXURBELS]: And if you don't have...
[01:50:54.790 --> 01:51:00.710] [ALEXURBELS]: And they're not allowed to do business in the United States without some kind of special license or dispensation.
[01:51:00.850 --> 01:51:13.830] [ALEXURBELS]: And that's why you had this effort being performed not by FBI directly, but by actually the Department of Commerce, Bureau of Industry and Security.
[01:51:14.610 --> 01:51:17.650] [ALEXURBELS]: They're the ones that deal with export controls and treaty compliance.
[01:51:17.910 --> 01:51:26.750] [ALEXURBELS]: And so, you know, this was a rare instance where it was a joint DOJ, and I'm sure FBI had a hand in it too, but also Department of Commerce effort.
[01:51:29.010 --> 01:51:35.250] [ALEXURBELS]: But look, to your point, I think your point was about the merits of whether or not a government should be able to do it.
[01:51:35.270 --> 01:51:39.970] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, it's one thing to get kicked off of Twitter because you're getting kicked off by a company that decides to run its network a certain way.
[01:51:39.970 --> 01:51:43.650] [EVILCORLEY]: This is the federal government deeming that you're spreading disinformation.
[01:51:44.070 --> 01:51:53.250] [EVILCORLEY]: And I just see a very dangerous precedent if we say, oh, yeah, it's okay if you're Iranian and maybe some other nationality that we don't like at the moment.
[01:51:53.730 --> 01:51:58.010] [EVILCORLEY]: But it could easily be used domestically as well under the same exact criteria.
[01:51:58.850 --> 01:52:06.790] [ALEXURBELS]: Well, it couldn't be used domestically because you wouldn't have somebody domestically listed as, you know, a foreign terrorist organization.
[01:52:07.030 --> 01:52:07.970] [EVILCORLEY]: Are you sure about that?
[01:52:08.110 --> 01:52:09.430] [EVILCORLEY]: I mean, what if you had friends?
[01:52:09.570 --> 01:52:10.850] [EVILCORLEY]: What if you had relationships?
[01:52:11.570 --> 01:52:20.090] [ALEXURBELS]: Well, look, okay, I guess, you know, hypothetically, you know, there could be some people within the jurisdiction of the United States that could be designated in that way.
[01:52:20.250 --> 01:52:27.590] [ALEXURBELS]: But to the point of the actual removal of the content, I think this is all a judgment call based on content.
[01:52:27.710 --> 01:52:32.810] [ALEXURBELS]: One person's misinformation is another person's well of truth, right, in some respects.
[01:52:33.770 --> 01:52:37.390] [ALEXURBELS]: But it's not to say that this is without any process whatsoever.
[01:52:37.830 --> 01:52:42.730] [ALEXURBELS]: I mean, it is a known fact that VeriSign runs the back-end registry for .com.
[01:52:43.090 --> 01:52:50.150] [ALEXURBELS]: All of the .com infrastructure is located in the United States for VeriSign, you know, for all intents and purposes.
[01:52:50.350 --> 01:52:55.410] [ALEXURBELS]: I'm sure there's some overseas, but the primary bits of it are in the United States.
[01:52:56.610 --> 01:52:58.610] [ALEXURBELS]: But there's also a process here.
[01:52:58.710 --> 01:53:00.390] [ALEXURBELS]: You can't just turn this off.
[01:53:00.390 --> 01:53:04.250] [ALEXURBELS]: Well, it's just not up to Department of Commerce or Department of Justice to do this.
[01:53:04.530 --> 01:53:06.770] [ALEXURBELS]: They have to make an application to a judge.
[01:53:07.490 --> 01:53:12.110] [ALEXURBELS]: And a judge has to issue a seizure warrant that has to be on the basis of probable cause.
[01:53:12.270 --> 01:53:16.930] [ALEXURBELS]: So there is some process in place to prevent this from being abused.
[01:53:17.090 --> 01:53:22.910] [ALEXURBELS]: The judiciary would be the gatekeeper to make sure that the government didn't do this in a manner that got out of hand.
[01:53:23.810 --> 01:53:34.510] [ALEXURBELS]: But on the other hand, yet, you know, a third or fourth hand by this time, that process is all what's known in legal terms as ex parte.
[01:53:35.110 --> 01:53:39.850] [ALEXURBELS]: Meaning there's only one side that's going to be heard by the judge, and that side is the government.
[01:53:39.850 --> 01:53:50.230] [ALEXURBELS]: And ex parte hearings where only one person is present don't necessarily comport with our traditional notions of due process in this country.
[01:53:50.430 --> 01:53:58.370] [ALEXURBELS]: So what bothers me is that we have here is an ex parte process where Iran and these press organizations didn't have an opportunity to be heard.
[01:53:59.570 --> 01:54:09.330] [ALEXURBELS]: There is some process here for sure, but I don't necessarily know if it's enough to safeguard those those speech interests.
[01:54:10.070 --> 01:54:22.910] [ALEXURBELS]: And and I think that, you know, an argument could be made that because you think about press TV in particular, they're broadcasting in the English language and probably had a great deal of listeners here in the United States as well.
[01:54:23.050 --> 01:54:27.250] [EVILCORLEY]: But why can't those listeners just go to the dot IR address instead and get the exact same content?
[01:54:27.870 --> 01:54:28.670] [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah, they can.
[01:54:28.790 --> 01:54:29.450] [ALEXURBELS]: They can do that.
[01:54:29.630 --> 01:54:29.930] [ALEXURBELS]: Absolutely.
[01:54:30.230 --> 01:54:35.090] [EVILCORLEY]: It doesn't seem that that much of a, you know, a disadvantage unless you don't know about it.
[01:54:35.150 --> 01:54:41.130] [EVILCORLEY]: And I think, you know, it may be the time for dot com and dot net and, you know, all these U.S. centric top-level domains.
[01:54:42.670 --> 01:54:46.270] [EVILCORLEY]: Maybe that time has passed and everything should be defined by country.
[01:54:46.410 --> 01:54:49.590] [EVILCORLEY]: It should be dot U.S., you know, for everything that happens.
[01:54:49.810 --> 01:54:54.750] [EVILCORLEY]: I mean, why do we get dot mil and other countries militaries don't get dot mil?
[01:54:54.750 --> 01:54:57.170] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, they have to put put under a CCTLD.
[01:54:57.830 --> 01:55:04.530] [EVILCORLEY]: It just seems we should even the playing field a little bit and have, you know, have everybody represented based on where they are.
[01:55:05.750 --> 01:55:23.410] [ALEXURBELS]: Well, I agree with that to a large extent, but it just, you know, it ignores history to a certain degree in that, you know, the reason why we have all this is because I can, which, you know, the Internet Corporation for Signed Names and Numbers, which regulates the security and stability of the of the Internet.
[01:55:24.810 --> 01:55:29.810] [ALEXURBELS]: They are actually a not for profit corporation organized under the laws of the state of California.
[01:55:30.230 --> 01:55:32.730] [EVILCORLEY]: OK, but that doesn't mean California owns everything forever.
[01:55:33.370 --> 01:55:44.370] [ALEXURBELS]: It doesn't seem fair history of how they originated and how they arrived at the authority that they have, because, you know, they I think they took this over from USC and then they operate University of Southern California.
[01:55:45.010 --> 01:55:49.850] [ALEXURBELS]: And and and then they operated under this amorphous legal document known as an affirmation.
[01:55:49.870 --> 01:55:51.130] [EVILCORLEY]: What's what's the first?
[01:55:51.310 --> 01:55:53.070] [EVILCORLEY]: I can't I see a right.
[01:55:53.570 --> 01:55:54.050] [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah.
[01:55:54.190 --> 01:55:55.730] [EVILCORLEY]: What does the I stand for?
[01:55:56.310 --> 01:55:56.790] [ALEXURBELS]: Internet?
[01:55:57.310 --> 01:55:58.390] [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, I thought it was international.
[01:55:58.690 --> 01:55:59.710] [EVILCORLEY]: I would have had no.
[01:56:00.070 --> 01:56:00.570] [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, damn it.
[01:56:01.390 --> 01:56:03.490] [ALEXURBELS]: Internet Corporation for Signed Names and Numbers.
[01:56:03.590 --> 01:56:04.770] [EVILCORLEY]: But it's an international organization.
[01:56:04.770 --> 01:56:05.970] [EVILCORLEY]: They have meetings all over the world.
[01:56:06.110 --> 01:56:06.530] [EVILCORLEY]: I know that.
[01:56:06.530 --> 01:56:19.190] [ALEXURBELS]: There has been a great push since the new GTLD program first came out at the doors and in 2011, 2012 for ICANN to have a much more internationalized presence.
[01:56:19.350 --> 01:56:29.030] [ALEXURBELS]: That's why they now have these IDN GTLDs or the internationalized domain names where you can have these foreign characters in the top-level domains themselves.
[01:56:29.030 --> 01:56:44.070] [ALEXURBELS]: So they've got offices now, I think, in Istanbul and a couple other places around the world that they're trying very hard to make them seem not like a puppet of the United States, because that's what people had thought about ICANN for a very, very long period of time.
[01:56:44.870 --> 01:56:53.790] [ALEXURBELS]: But, you know, this type of action here where we're taking domains in .com because we have the infrastructure, we have the authority over the companies that regulate that space.
[01:56:53.790 --> 01:57:05.230] [ALEXURBELS]: This is, you know, going to be having some ripple effects in the DNS because any entity that could think or possibly could be affected by these types of U.S. government efforts, any foreign press would behoove themselves to tonight snatch up their CCTLD, their country co-top-level domain names for whatever countries they operate in, and be ready to fail over to those on a moment's notice.
[01:57:21.930 --> 01:57:34.390] [ALEXURBELS]: You know, it's, I think it's important, there's a lot of press implications here, and that's what bothers me about those actions, not necessarily the legal authority on which they're based, or the facts on which they're based either.
[01:57:35.750 --> 01:57:38.750] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, well, we should probably wrap things up.
[01:57:39.170 --> 01:57:40.010] [EVILCORLEY]: Do we have a call?
[01:57:40.590 --> 01:57:41.330] [EVILCORLEY]: We have no calls.
[01:57:41.410 --> 01:57:41.730] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, good.
[01:57:41.990 --> 01:57:43.250] [EVILCORLEY]: Because we're out of time.
[01:57:43.350 --> 01:57:43.990] [KYLEDROSDK]: Oh, yeah, we do.
[01:57:44.130 --> 01:57:44.330] [EVILCORLEY]: We do.
[01:57:45.050 --> 01:57:45.750] [EVILCORLEY]: We have a call.
[01:57:45.990 --> 01:57:46.150] [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah.
[01:57:46.310 --> 01:57:47.190] [EVILCORLEY]: How long have they been waiting for?
[01:57:47.470 --> 01:57:48.210] [KYLEDROSDK]: A long time.
[01:57:48.510 --> 01:57:50.490] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, well, sorry caller.
[01:57:50.490 --> 01:57:50.590] [EVILCORLEY]: Caller?
[01:57:50.950 --> 01:57:51.690] [EVILCORLEY]: What's on your mind?
[01:57:53.310 --> 01:57:53.670] [SPEAKER_17]: Hi.
[01:57:54.130 --> 01:57:54.930] [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, no, wait, wait.
[01:57:55.010 --> 01:57:55.710] [EVILCORLEY]: I know this voice.
[01:57:55.930 --> 01:57:59.350] [SPEAKER_17]: It's a call from Bobson from last week, so I thought it would be okay.
[01:57:59.450 --> 01:58:01.170] [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, you thought it would be okay to skirt the rules.
[01:58:01.310 --> 01:58:04.250] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, you know, nobody pays attention to anything I request anymore.
[01:58:04.990 --> 01:58:07.830] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, you got one minute, but we're pretty much out of time.
[01:58:07.910 --> 01:58:12.050] [EVILCORLEY]: But you called last week, so we're going to have to impose this next week as well, because people...
[01:58:12.050 --> 01:58:13.370] [EVILCORLEY]: She's been on hold all this time.
[01:58:13.430 --> 01:58:14.650] [EVILCORLEY]: That means no one else could have gotten through.
[01:58:15.290 --> 01:58:15.730] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:58:15.730 --> 01:58:20.150] [EVILCORLEY]: You see, you basically, you blocked the free speech of many other people.
[01:58:20.350 --> 01:58:21.530] [EVILCORLEY]: Maybe in Siberia.
[01:58:21.710 --> 01:58:22.550] [EVILCORLEY]: Who knows?
[01:58:23.350 --> 01:58:25.550] [EVILCORLEY]: Fortunately, Siberia got through tonight, but who knows?
[01:58:25.630 --> 01:58:25.950] [EVILCORLEY]: Who didn't?
[01:58:26.010 --> 01:58:26.470] [EVILCORLEY]: But go ahead.
[01:58:26.530 --> 01:58:27.030] [EVILCORLEY]: What's on your mind?
[01:58:28.170 --> 01:58:39.910] [SPEAKER_17]: Okay, last week I said there was no way that Biden was going to make his goal of 70% or 60%, and you scolded me.
[01:58:40.110 --> 01:58:40.890] [EVILCORLEY]: I scolded you.
[01:58:41.030 --> 01:58:42.490] [SPEAKER_17]: I said, no, you can't say that.
[01:58:42.790 --> 01:58:44.130] [SPEAKER_17]: It's still possible.
[01:58:44.590 --> 01:58:48.910] [SPEAKER_17]: Now that he's said the same thing, am I allowed to say that without being scolded?
[01:58:48.990 --> 01:58:52.310] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, can I not scold Biden for getting his own words wrong?
[01:58:54.010 --> 01:58:56.030] [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, this week he said it.
[01:58:56.510 --> 01:58:57.870] [EVILCORLEY]: You know, it's just a number.
[01:58:58.170 --> 01:58:59.230] [EVILCORLEY]: It's just...
[01:58:59.230 --> 01:59:07.910] [EVILCORLEY]: The important thing is that more people get the damn vaccine, and hopefully we reach that number soon, if not July 4th, maybe July 5th or July 10th or something like that.
[01:59:07.990 --> 01:59:09.150] [SPEAKER_17]: But the important thing...
[01:59:09.150 --> 01:59:12.330] [SPEAKER_17]: We're going to be gathering in July 4th in crowds.
[01:59:12.330 --> 01:59:12.970] [SPEAKER_17]: I know.
[01:59:13.230 --> 01:59:13.670] [SPEAKER_17]: Maskless.
[01:59:13.870 --> 01:59:14.710] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, that's true.
[01:59:14.990 --> 01:59:15.470] [SPEAKER_17]: That's the problem.
[01:59:15.730 --> 01:59:17.870] [SPEAKER_17]: And it's too soon.
[01:59:18.070 --> 01:59:23.850] [SPEAKER_17]: And New York, the governor has decided it's no longer a state of emergency.
[01:59:24.170 --> 01:59:29.830] [SPEAKER_17]: As long as there's community transmission, it's not over, and it's too soon.
[01:59:29.830 --> 01:59:30.610] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[01:59:30.830 --> 01:59:36.810] [EVILCORLEY]: And if you feel strongly about that, I would suggest not being around those events.
[01:59:36.810 --> 01:59:38.430] [EVILCORLEY]: I share your concern.
[01:59:39.470 --> 01:59:44.730] [EVILCORLEY]: We need to get more people out there to get the vaccine, and especially young people.
[01:59:45.110 --> 01:59:47.030] [EVILCORLEY]: And then this thing can turn around.
[01:59:48.110 --> 01:59:48.670] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay?
[01:59:48.670 --> 02:00:00.270] [SPEAKER_17]: And also, anyone, any adult anyway, can ask for someone to come in, as you mentioned before, which is wonderful.
[02:00:00.270 --> 02:00:02.010] [SPEAKER_17]: So hopefully that will help.
[02:00:02.170 --> 02:00:07.430] [SPEAKER_17]: But I'm hoping that a lot more employers will make it mandatory.
[02:00:07.870 --> 02:00:08.090] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[02:00:08.210 --> 02:00:13.510] [EVILCORLEY]: It's totally up to the employers, especially in a hospital, like the Houston case.
[02:00:14.110 --> 02:00:21.530] [EVILCORLEY]: If you run a hospital, of course you want people working at a hospital to be vaccinated because you have patients there that aren't protected.
[02:00:22.690 --> 02:00:24.010] [EVILCORLEY]: It's just common sense.
[02:00:24.430 --> 02:00:25.470] [EVILCORLEY]: Hey, we're going to leave it there.
[02:00:25.790 --> 02:00:26.470] [EVILCORLEY]: We're out of time.
[02:00:26.570 --> 02:00:28.210] [EVILCORLEY]: Have a good night, a good week.
[02:00:29.650 --> 02:00:32.290] [EVILCORLEY]: And we are going to sign off.
[02:00:32.690 --> 02:00:35.870] [EVILCORLEY]: You can write to us, oth@2600.com.
[02:00:36.170 --> 02:00:38.770] [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, by the way, last week we talked about...
[02:00:38.770 --> 02:00:39.870] [EVILCORLEY]: What do you got there, Kyle?
[02:00:39.950 --> 02:00:41.650] [EVILCORLEY]: You got a bottle of some bubbly?
[02:00:42.210 --> 02:00:42.730] [EVILCORLEY]: Is that what that is?
[02:00:43.390 --> 02:00:44.810] [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, that's just regular wine.
[02:00:45.090 --> 02:00:45.610] [KYLEDROSDK]: Okay.
[02:00:45.930 --> 02:00:46.770] [KYLEDROSDK]: It's twist-off.
[02:00:46.910 --> 02:00:49.730] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, a twist-off cap really adds to the flair.
[02:00:50.630 --> 02:00:51.930] [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah, that's how you know it's expensive.
[02:00:52.170 --> 02:00:52.410] [KYLEDROSDK]: Uh-huh.
[02:00:54.030 --> 02:00:55.090] [EVILCORLEY]: Canada Dry, right?
[02:00:55.090 --> 02:00:57.290] [EVILCORLEY]: That's the new line of wine products.
[02:00:58.030 --> 02:01:06.850] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, last week we had an issue with our YouTube recording in that it was cutting off.
[02:01:07.330 --> 02:01:08.470] [EVILCORLEY]: You know, here's the thing.
[02:01:08.470 --> 02:01:12.090] [EVILCORLEY]: You'd think that you get some kind of an alarm or warning from YouTube.
[02:01:12.390 --> 02:01:16.770] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, we got a warning the week before saying that we were spreading medical misinformation, which was false, obviously.
[02:01:17.210 --> 02:01:24.830] [EVILCORLEY]: Um, but no warning saying that, oh yeah, your, your, um, uh, recording is all choppy and didn't, didn't capture everything.
[02:01:25.170 --> 02:01:28.150] [EVILCORLEY]: No, we figured that out ourselves because I happened to be looking at the screen.
[02:01:28.150 --> 02:01:29.830] [EVILCORLEY]: In fact, I don't even have it on the screen now.
[02:01:29.970 --> 02:01:31.750] [EVILCORLEY]: I could be doing it right now and I wouldn't even know.
[02:01:32.270 --> 02:01:36.830] [EVILCORLEY]: Um, basically saying that, uh, there's no connection at the moment.
[02:01:37.230 --> 02:01:43.510] [EVILCORLEY]: Um, well, what we did was we, uh, we increased our bandwidth and I hope that fixes the problem.
[02:01:43.610 --> 02:01:44.310] [EVILCORLEY]: It's, it's kind of funny.
[02:01:44.650 --> 02:01:52.390] [EVILCORLEY]: It's just a simple button on our, uh, providers website to, uh, pay a few bucks more a month to increase your bandwidth.
[02:01:52.850 --> 02:01:55.930] [EVILCORLEY]: And I, I clicked that button and nothing happened.
[02:01:56.090 --> 02:01:57.570] [EVILCORLEY]: I have no idea what I just did.
[02:01:57.710 --> 02:02:03.290] [EVILCORLEY]: I'm, I'm, I'm certain that I started paying them more, but nothing happened as far as change in speed.
[02:02:03.290 --> 02:02:07.770] [EVILCORLEY]: So I was, I had to, I had to contact them on one of those little chat things that they have online.
[02:02:07.770 --> 02:02:15.610] [EVILCORLEY]: I talked to this really annoying perky, um, um, uh, artificial intelligence being, uh, who completely got everything I was asking wrong.
[02:02:15.950 --> 02:02:20.950] [EVILCORLEY]: And when she asked, I say she, because she had a female name when she asked, was I helpful?
[02:02:20.950 --> 02:02:22.070] [EVILCORLEY]: I said, not at all.
[02:02:22.270 --> 02:02:25.870] [EVILCORLEY]: And she asked if I could maybe connect you to a human.
[02:02:26.070 --> 02:02:27.030] [EVILCORLEY]: It's like, yeah, that would be great.
[02:02:27.150 --> 02:02:28.190] [EVILCORLEY]: That would have been nice from the start.
[02:02:28.590 --> 02:02:35.310] [EVILCORLEY]: And so after a few more minutes, I, I spoke to somebody else supposedly who was a human and explain the situation.
[02:02:35.330 --> 02:02:40.070] [EVILCORLEY]: And they said, uh, you had to basically unplug your, your modem.
[02:02:40.450 --> 02:02:41.990] [EVILCORLEY]: And, um, we did that.
[02:02:42.550 --> 02:02:51.390] [EVILCORLEY]: And then we discovered that, uh, even though we unplugged the modem, um, while the modem was getting a fast speed, nothing else was, uh, we discovered that we were rate limiting our ourselves.
[02:02:51.710 --> 02:02:57.850] [EVILCORLEY]: And I don't know why we were doing this, but we checked our, our router and this, this might be useful to people out there that are upgrading.
[02:02:57.970 --> 02:02:58.870] [EVILCORLEY]: I'm wondering why it doesn't work.
[02:02:59.370 --> 02:03:04.130] [EVILCORLEY]: Um, our, our router had numbers in it, but for some reason we're, we're saying, don't go above this number.
[02:03:04.630 --> 02:03:06.670] [EVILCORLEY]: And, uh, of course we wanted to go above that number.
[02:03:06.770 --> 02:03:08.810] [EVILCORLEY]: Once we changed that, it worked great.
[02:03:08.850 --> 02:03:10.990] [EVILCORLEY]: So hopefully this week there are no problems.
[02:03:10.990 --> 02:03:12.070] [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah.
[02:03:12.470 --> 02:03:14.230] [KYLEDROSDK]: No, you explained it very well.
[02:03:14.370 --> 02:03:38.490] [KYLEDROSDK]: It was very helpful actually to have run into that because we found out that despite the provider and other, um, increases, we were doing some horrible, um, management to our own ability to communicate, which was me, meaning everything was sort of bottlenecked for the entire year for all of our shows that we've done.
[02:03:38.770 --> 02:03:40.490] [KYLEDROSDK]: So ha ha.
[02:03:40.870 --> 02:03:41.110] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[02:03:41.350 --> 02:03:43.850] [EVILCORLEY]: You learn, you learn something works better now.
[02:03:44.010 --> 02:03:45.890] [EVILCORLEY]: So guys, any, uh, final words?
[02:03:45.950 --> 02:03:47.010] [EVILCORLEY]: Cause we're about to sign off.
[02:03:49.050 --> 02:03:52.170] [ROBVINCENT]: Oh, just a happy pride to everyone celebrating this weekend.
[02:03:52.170 --> 02:03:55.070] [ROBVINCENT]: There are in person things happening, uh, at least in this area.
[02:03:55.070 --> 02:03:55.650] [ROBVINCENT]: Yeah.
[02:03:55.650 --> 02:03:56.730] [ROBVINCENT]: And, uh, that, that should be fun.
[02:03:57.270 --> 02:03:57.550] [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah.
[02:03:57.890 --> 02:03:58.250] [KYLEDROSDK]: Celebrate.
[02:03:58.490 --> 02:04:05.910] [KYLEDROSDK]: However you choose, you know, and make sure you take care of, can you get that any closer to the microphone, Kyle?
[02:04:06.010 --> 02:04:06.370] [KYLEDROSDK]: One another.
[02:04:07.510 --> 02:04:07.870] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[02:04:08.230 --> 02:04:08.930] [EVILCORLEY]: That's I'll take that.
[02:04:09.050 --> 02:04:09.550] [EVILCORLEY]: Thank you very much.
[02:04:11.070 --> 02:04:12.970] [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, what, what year is this by the way?
[02:04:13.930 --> 02:04:14.290] [KYLEDROSDK]: 2009.
[02:04:14.870 --> 02:04:15.230] [EVILCORLEY]: 2009.
[02:04:15.690 --> 02:04:16.030] [EVILCORLEY]: No kidding.
[02:04:16.890 --> 02:04:17.250] [EVILCORLEY]: Wow.
[02:04:17.570 --> 02:04:23.730] [EVILCORLEY]: This bottle of wine is almost old enough to drink the bottle of wine, but happy pride to all.
[02:04:23.730 --> 02:04:27.330] [ALEXURBELS]: Well, that's a wine I found, uh, on the one train that I gave you, right?
[02:04:27.690 --> 02:04:27.990] [ALEXURBELS]: Ah.
[02:04:28.490 --> 02:04:29.330] [ALEXURBELS]: Oh, that's good.
[02:04:29.570 --> 02:04:30.010] [KYLEDROSDK]: No, no.
[02:04:30.170 --> 02:04:33.370] [KYLEDROSDK]: This was, uh, going out of winemaking sale.
[02:04:34.270 --> 02:04:35.890] [KYLEDROSDK]: It's a long story, but...
[02:04:35.890 --> 02:04:37.490] [EVILCORLEY]: You got, like, cheese doodles or something to go with this?
[02:04:37.490 --> 02:04:39.590] [EVILCORLEY]: This is, uh, kind of, kind of classy.
[02:04:40.330 --> 02:04:44.330] [KYLEDROSDK]: Um, yeah, well, we hadn't really planned that part of, uh...
[02:04:44.330 --> 02:04:45.070] [KYLEDROSDK]: This rummages through the cupboard.
[02:04:45.230 --> 02:04:46.130] [KYLEDROSDK]: I'll see what I can find.
[02:04:46.190 --> 02:04:48.850] [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, uh, so, yeah, uh, folks, thank you very much for listening.
[02:04:49.050 --> 02:04:51.170] [EVILCORLEY]: Please write to us, oth@2600.com.
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[02:04:56.370 --> 02:05:03.330] [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, and, um, don't forget 2600 meetings, um, are starting up slowly a week from Friday.
[02:05:03.810 --> 02:05:09.450] [EVILCORLEY]: If you're a part of a meeting, you have to contact us, either through Twitter, Twitter ID of 2600 meetings.
[02:05:09.470 --> 02:05:11.070] [EVILCORLEY]: That's the number, 2600 meetings.
[02:05:11.550 --> 02:05:17.610] [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, we have, uh, direct messaging, uh, open, so you don't have to follow us to be able to send us a DM.
[02:05:18.050 --> 02:05:21.450] [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, you can email meetings at 2600.com.
[02:05:21.590 --> 02:05:24.290] [EVILCORLEY]: You can go to the webpage, 2600.com/meetings.
[02:05:24.290 --> 02:05:33.330] [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, and basically, uh, we are taking, I guess, registrations for meetings to restart or for new meetings to start.
[02:05:33.530 --> 02:05:37.490] [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, just, uh, contact us, let us know where, uh, they are happening.
[02:05:37.710 --> 02:05:49.870] [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, they should be in a public space and you should be in an area where the total vaccination rate is at least 40%, which most states are, uh, unfortunately most countries are not.
[02:05:50.170 --> 02:05:53.430] [EVILCORLEY]: So, um, there are very few countries right now.
[02:05:53.570 --> 02:05:59.410] [EVILCORLEY]: I think that, uh, I think the UK and the United States, Canada, not yet, not yet, unfortunately.
[02:05:59.970 --> 02:06:02.730] [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, and, um, other places as well.
[02:06:03.010 --> 02:06:03.270] [EVILCORLEY]: I'm sorry.
[02:06:03.710 --> 02:06:04.250] [SPEAKER_15]: All right.
[02:06:04.990 --> 02:06:05.430] [EVILCORLEY]: What's this?
[02:06:06.110 --> 02:06:06.930] [SPEAKER_15]: Oh, sorry.
[02:06:07.310 --> 02:06:08.570] [EVILCORLEY]: You talking to somebody else, Alex?
[02:06:09.110 --> 02:06:09.870] [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah, I was.
[02:06:10.130 --> 02:06:10.730] [ALEXURBELS]: Sorry about that.
[02:06:11.150 --> 02:06:11.930] [ALEXURBELS]: I was checking the radio.
[02:06:12.450 --> 02:06:15.210] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, of course, because that's what you have to do right now.
[02:06:16.010 --> 02:06:26.930] [EVILCORLEY]: So anyway, if, um, if you have information for us, please contact us using those methods and, uh, we're gonna, we're gonna take tentative steps and try to get things back, um, to some semblance of normalcy.
[02:06:27.050 --> 02:06:28.210] [KYLEDROSDK]: With your help.
[02:06:28.530 --> 02:06:28.890] [EVILCORLEY]: Absolutely.
[02:06:28.910 --> 02:06:30.030] [EVILCORLEY]: It's the only way we can do things.
[02:06:30.470 --> 02:06:30.950] [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[02:06:31.110 --> 02:06:31.990] [EVILCORLEY]: We'll see you next week.
[02:06:32.450 --> 02:06:32.750] [EVILCORLEY]: Good night.