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[02:23.900 --> 02:25.320] [EVILCORLEY]: Emmanuel Goldstein here with you.
[02:25.880 --> 02:27.600] [EVILCORLEY]: I'm joined tonight by Kyle.
[02:28.080 --> 02:28.960] [KYLEDROSDK]: Yes, I'm over here.
[02:29.120 --> 02:29.560] [KYLEDROSDK]: Present.
[02:29.560 --> 02:34.020] [EVILCORLEY]: And over in Skype-land, we have Gila.
[02:34.600 --> 02:35.320] [GILADRAZEN]: Good evening.
[02:35.640 --> 02:36.640] [EVILCORLEY]: We have Rob T. Firefly.
[02:38.060 --> 02:38.960] [ROBVINCENT]: Good evening.
[02:39.460 --> 02:40.920] [EVILCORLEY]: And we have Alex.
[02:41.880 --> 02:42.340] [ALEXURBELS]: Good evening.
[02:42.980 --> 02:44.060] [EVILCORLEY]: Wow, that went off without a hitch.
[02:44.060 --> 02:44.640] [EVILCORLEY]: How about that?
[02:45.220 --> 02:45.920] [EVILCORLEY]: Happens occasionally.
[02:46.420 --> 02:47.680] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, welcome everybody.
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[03:52.060 --> 03:56.760] [EVILCORLEY]: All right, since we're not on next week, I also have to remind people about something.
[03:56.860 --> 03:59.960] [EVILCORLEY]: It's kind of a conundrum here because we haven't announced it yet.
[04:00.100 --> 04:03.660] [EVILCORLEY]: But the problem is we're not on next week, so we can't announce it next week.
[04:03.700 --> 04:06.260] [EVILCORLEY]: And the week after that, when we're back, it's too late.
[04:06.720 --> 04:13.420] [EVILCORLEY]: I'm referring, of course, to the deadline for people to submit their talk proposals for the HOPE conference coming up this summer.
[04:14.280 --> 04:16.500] [EVILCORLEY]: The deadline will be the 31st of May.
[04:16.700 --> 04:19.660] [EVILCORLEY]: So two weeks from today is the 1st of June, so you'll be out of luck.
[04:19.660 --> 04:30.540] [EVILCORLEY]: So doing your favor by letting you know something that nobody else knows yet, that the deadline will be May the 31st for your talk submissions, panel submissions.
[04:30.580 --> 04:42.860] [EVILCORLEY]: If you have an idea for something that you want to talk about in front of a bunch of hackers, or if you have a panel discussion or something of interest, this is your opportunity.
[04:43.160 --> 04:48.080] [EVILCORLEY]: Hope.net is where you can find all the information as to how to submit it, where to email.
[04:48.080 --> 04:50.200] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, I can tell you the email address, speakers at hope.net.
[04:50.680 --> 05:00.960] [EVILCORLEY]: But as far as guidelines on how to shape your talk and the kinds of things we're looking for, that's all findable on the website, hope.net.
[05:01.180 --> 05:08.340] [EVILCORLEY]: Hope, of course, standing for Hackers on Planet Earth, and happening July 22nd through the 24th.
[05:08.840 --> 05:11.140] [EVILCORLEY]: And a bunch of us have been going through a lot of speaker submissions.
[05:11.440 --> 05:13.580] [EVILCORLEY]: It's pretty impressive all over the world.
[05:13.760 --> 05:20.300] [EVILCORLEY]: We have in-person, this is our first in-person conference in four years, but we also have virtual talks.
[05:20.460 --> 05:27.400] [EVILCORLEY]: So if you have an idea for a talk, but there's no way you can make it to New York this summer, well, we have a provision for you as well.
[05:27.400 --> 05:29.320] [EVILCORLEY]: And the same thing holds true for attendees.
[05:30.320 --> 05:37.700] [EVILCORLEY]: We have a virtual side to the conference, even though the conference is going to be mostly in-person at St. John's University.
[05:37.880 --> 05:40.920] [EVILCORLEY]: So I think that covers everything.
[05:41.020 --> 05:42.180] [EVILCORLEY]: Did I leave anything out, folks?
[05:44.040 --> 05:47.620] [ROBVINCENT]: Just that we're really, really excited to see what you have to propose.
[05:47.620 --> 05:50.820] [ROBVINCENT]: And also, we say this every time, but we hear this every time.
[05:51.440 --> 05:56.580] [ROBVINCENT]: Every time we've done a HOPE conference, after the deadline, we have people contacting us going, is it too late?
[05:56.660 --> 05:57.080] [ROBVINCENT]: Is it too late?
[05:57.100 --> 05:58.200] [ROBVINCENT]: I was thinking of submitting something.
[05:58.860 --> 06:01.120] [ROBVINCENT]: Submit something now, before it's too late.
[06:01.360 --> 06:04.280] [ROBVINCENT]: Yeah, because we're getting back to the people that did that last time.
[06:04.380 --> 06:07.500] [EVILCORLEY]: Right now, if you did that two years ago, we're getting back to you now.
[06:07.580 --> 06:09.120] [EVILCORLEY]: So that's what happens when you miss a deadline.
[06:10.800 --> 06:11.120] [ROBVINCENT]: Absolutely.
[06:11.120 --> 06:22.900] [ROBVINCENT]: So go to hope.net for all the info, for the info on travel to the conference, and what to do when you're in town, and how to submit, and what sort of things that you might like to see there.
[06:23.100 --> 06:26.060] [ROBVINCENT]: If you want to send feedback, you can do all that through hope.net.
[06:27.300 --> 06:29.400] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, I trust we've made our point.
[06:30.380 --> 06:31.080] [EVILCORLEY]: All right, then.
[06:32.180 --> 06:33.280] [EVILCORLEY]: Now, getting to the news.
[06:33.460 --> 06:39.100] [EVILCORLEY]: This is kind of perplexing and puzzling, concerning Twitter and Elon Musk.
[06:39.100 --> 06:39.720] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[06:42.460 --> 06:47.100] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, apparently he's having cold feet, or second thoughts, or something like that.
[06:47.760 --> 06:59.060] [EVILCORLEY]: The Twitter board yesterday said that it plans, and this is a quote, to close the transaction and enforce the merger agreement between Elon Musk and Twitter.
[07:00.540 --> 07:08.540] [EVILCORLEY]: The board and Mr. Musk agreed to a transaction at $54.20 per share, Twitter's board said in a statement to the New York Times.
[07:08.660 --> 07:12.760] [EVILCORLEY]: We believe this agreement is in the best interest of all shareholders.
[07:12.760 --> 07:17.640] [EVILCORLEY]: We intend to close the transaction and enforce the merger agreement.
[07:18.320 --> 07:21.920] [EVILCORLEY]: It must be something when you're told that you have to cough up $44 billion.
[07:23.580 --> 07:45.520] [KYLEDROSDK]: I've been following this, and my curiosity out of some of the changes and developments is the point of buying or purchasing this entity was that these changes and looking into some of these concerns would be part of taking ownership as a new owner and changing the direction of the company.
[07:45.520 --> 07:50.480] [KYLEDROSDK]: Now it seems like the details around that are contingent on the sale.
[07:50.660 --> 08:07.460] [KYLEDROSDK]: Like it has to be fixed or running a certain way before the new owner steps in and does anything, but it was made out to be like the first priority once they took over and had the ability to control and be involved.
[08:07.460 --> 08:09.020] [KYLEDROSDK]: Does that jive with it?
[08:09.060 --> 08:10.820] [KYLEDROSDK]: Does anybody else hear that in this reporting?
[08:13.420 --> 08:14.340] [ROBVINCENT]: I don't know.
[08:14.460 --> 08:20.340] [ROBVINCENT]: I was just thinking about all this talk about the Twitter board, and I'm assuming that's spelled B-O-R-E-D?
[08:22.420 --> 08:23.020] [EVILCORLEY]: Yes, Rob.
[08:23.240 --> 08:24.060] [EVILCORLEY]: That's correct.
[08:24.900 --> 08:25.260] [EVILCORLEY]: Thank you.
[08:25.260 --> 08:30.520] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, you know, the tweet from Elon Musk...
[08:30.520 --> 08:32.820] [EVILCORLEY]: Everything, by the way, is being done by tweet.
[08:33.260 --> 08:36.460] [EVILCORLEY]: He's not allowed to speak in person until this deal goes through.
[08:36.460 --> 08:39.920] [EVILCORLEY]: My offer was based on Twitter's SEC filings being accurate.
[08:40.360 --> 08:45.260] [EVILCORLEY]: Yesterday, Twitter's CEO publicly refused to show proof of less than sign 5%.
[08:45.260 --> 08:47.840] [EVILCORLEY]: This deal cannot move forward until he does.
[08:48.440 --> 08:50.160] [EVILCORLEY]: What that means is...
[08:50.160 --> 08:56.480] [EVILCORLEY]: What he's looking for is evidence that less than 5% of Twitter's accounts are fake.
[08:57.480 --> 09:01.980] [EVILCORLEY]: I don't know how they can prove an account is fake or an account is real.
[09:02.080 --> 09:03.000] [EVILCORLEY]: That's sort of the whole problem.
[09:03.180 --> 09:07.460] [EVILCORLEY]: That's sort of what we've been going through with the hell that Twitter has been over the past few years.
[09:08.160 --> 09:17.920] [EVILCORLEY]: And now, what Musk is saying is that the deal can't go through if a certain percentage of users aren't real users.
[09:19.620 --> 09:23.500] [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah, this kind of goes to the boosting numbers thing I was talking about a couple weeks ago.
[09:23.720 --> 09:25.440] [KYLEDROSDK]: And I'm just really perplexed.
[09:25.520 --> 09:40.860] [KYLEDROSDK]: Like, I thought they were the only people that could save us from all the fake accounts and that all that had to happen was they had to take ownership and they would be the sort of white knight to solve democracy and discourse online.
[09:41.700 --> 09:42.660] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, yeah.
[09:42.880 --> 09:48.740] [KYLEDROSDK]: It seems like it's... they're, you know, wanting it to be served up on a sort of platter before they do anything.
[09:49.060 --> 09:49.800] [EVILCORLEY]: You're saying they.
[09:49.920 --> 09:52.000] [EVILCORLEY]: You mean Elon Musk or do you mean the Twitter board?
[09:52.180 --> 09:54.780] [KYLEDROSDK]: Well, I assume he's not going to be doing it all by himself.
[09:55.060 --> 09:55.160] [KYLEDROSDK]: Right.
[09:55.160 --> 10:02.260] [KYLEDROSDK]: So I'm presuming whatever entity he forms and brings in on his white horse or whatever.
[10:02.260 --> 10:06.560] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, what I don't get is, isn't Twitter, Twitter, no matter how many users are fake or real?
[10:06.820 --> 10:09.600] [EVILCORLEY]: He knew what he was getting into when he made the offer.
[10:10.380 --> 10:18.680] [EVILCORLEY]: So I don't see how if it's 5% or 6% or 10% fake users, 50%, you know, it's still the same animal.
[10:18.840 --> 10:26.260] [EVILCORLEY]: It's still, you know, that is what you are buying, that kind of influence and whatever it is that you think the Twitter represents.
[10:26.840 --> 10:30.680] [EVILCORLEY]: I think maybe Elon Musk is realizing how naive he actually is.
[10:31.060 --> 10:31.820] [EVILCORLEY]: Yes, go ahead, Gila.
[10:32.300 --> 10:32.900] [GILADRAZEN]: I think he is.
[10:32.980 --> 10:36.460] [GILADRAZEN]: And there's also a certain amount of brinksmanship that's at play here.
[10:38.040 --> 10:40.760] [GILADRAZEN]: And I'm, I just was reading a book.
[10:40.880 --> 10:41.780] [GILADRAZEN]: I was on jury duty yesterday.
[10:41.920 --> 10:43.660] [GILADRAZEN]: And while I was sitting in the jury room, I was reading a novel.
[10:44.300 --> 10:45.020] [GILADRAZEN]: It was great.
[10:45.320 --> 10:52.640] [GILADRAZEN]: And the novel I was reading concerned two young people who were getting married and neither of them really wanted to get married.
[10:52.640 --> 10:59.700] [GILADRAZEN]: And they just kept expecting their parents or grandparents or someone to say, oh, my God, you're making a rash decision and you need to stop.
[10:59.700 --> 11:06.940] [GILADRAZEN]: And I think Elon Musk is waiting for the Twitter board to say that because, again, like I said last week, midlife crisis.
[11:07.120 --> 11:08.260] [GILADRAZEN]: He's sad post breakup.
[11:08.440 --> 11:10.300] [GILADRAZEN]: So he's, you know, he can't go buy a sports car.
[11:10.320 --> 11:14.860] [GILADRAZEN]: So he's doing this and he's waiting for them to say, no, stop.
[11:15.060 --> 11:16.100] [GILADRAZEN]: This is a bad idea.
[11:16.320 --> 11:17.480] [GILADRAZEN]: You don't know what you're doing.
[11:17.480 --> 11:19.360] [GILADRAZEN]: And they're like, no, totally.
[11:19.540 --> 11:20.320] [GILADRAZEN]: You're going to do this.
[11:20.380 --> 11:21.320] [GILADRAZEN]: You said you were going to do this.
[11:21.400 --> 11:21.960] [GILADRAZEN]: And now you have to.
[11:22.060 --> 11:29.360] [GILADRAZEN]: This is bringsmanship in simultaneously a very huge and very insignificant kind of situation.
[11:29.420 --> 11:32.080] [GILADRAZEN]: And I see the two items fighting against each other.
[11:32.400 --> 11:34.100] [GILADRAZEN]: And this is not going to end well for anyone.
[11:34.320 --> 11:39.240] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, the problem is, you know, he showed them the money and they want the money.
[11:40.180 --> 11:42.140] [EVILCORLEY]: And I don't think they're going to back down now.
[11:42.140 --> 11:47.000] [EVILCORLEY]: And this might get very spectacular with how he's trying to prove that he's unfit to buy the company.
[11:47.140 --> 11:50.100] [EVILCORLEY]: But I don't think they're going to be interested in that.
[11:50.220 --> 11:51.640] [EVILCORLEY]: I think they just want the payment.
[11:52.000 --> 11:52.340] [EVILCORLEY]: Yes, Alex.
[11:53.420 --> 12:02.160] [ALEXURBELS]: I mean, I think part of this, too, relates to the naivete that might have been present when he made the offer.
[12:02.320 --> 12:11.320] [ALEXURBELS]: But now that he's thinking about it a bit more, I think he might be blaming the bogus accounts on his reluctance.
[12:11.320 --> 12:30.400] [ALEXURBELS]: But I think it might have something to do a bit more with coming to the realization that this notion of free speech absolutism that he had been espousing for Twitter, you know, reverting back to the days of old before there were community standards for Twitter,
[12:30.560 --> 12:39.240] [ALEXURBELS]: before Donald Trump was banned, reinstating banned accounts for people like Donald Trump, that this would be an absolute dumpster fire to revert to.
[12:39.240 --> 12:50.920] [ALEXURBELS]: And this whole idea of, you know, the First Amendment being the most important thing in the world, it's all well and good if we're talking about the United States of America.
[12:50.920 --> 12:53.880] [ALEXURBELS]: But Twitter, as we all know, is not an American platform.
[12:53.960 --> 12:55.520] [ALEXURBELS]: It's a global platform.
[12:55.720 --> 13:02.880] [ALEXURBELS]: And the notion of the First Amendment does not necessarily apply to places like Indonesia or the Philippines or Turkey.
[13:02.880 --> 13:23.440] [ALEXURBELS]: And so if he plans to to have this reversion to local laws and to, you know, uphold the law, whatever the law of the land is with regard to free speech and not have community standards for the globe, as Twitter currently does, then he's going to be supporting certain types of censorship and supporting certain types of suppression.
[13:23.440 --> 13:28.040] [ALEXURBELS]: And so there's really no easy way out here to deal with the issue of content moderation.
[13:28.040 --> 13:33.000] [ALEXURBELS]: You either have a reversion to an absolute dumpster fire.
[13:33.340 --> 13:36.480] [ALEXURBELS]: I forgot we're on FCC regulated for the moment.
[13:36.580 --> 13:43.020] [ALEXURBELS]: So I need to, you know, censor myself in my adjectives and nouns here.
[13:43.200 --> 13:48.240] [ALEXURBELS]: But I think so, you know, he's really caught between a rock and a hard place is one way of putting it.
[13:48.340 --> 13:50.600] [ALEXURBELS]: And that's why I think he may be having some cold feet.
[13:50.600 --> 13:53.420] [KYLEDROSDK]: I would also add that Twitter needs those markets.
[13:54.060 --> 13:59.480] [KYLEDROSDK]: A lot of these transnational global companies, they absolutely want those those customers.
[13:59.700 --> 14:07.760] [KYLEDROSDK]: They have trouble enough of figuring out how to monetize these platforms, having started at the outset offering a free service in exchange for ad revenue.
[14:07.900 --> 14:10.620] [KYLEDROSDK]: So this expansion is important to them.
[14:10.620 --> 14:26.480] [KYLEDROSDK]: So they'll be compelled, I think, in many ways, upon entrance into it or continuation of activities in those markets to do their do the most that those local governments want, especially if this is the overall attitude of the company.
[14:27.280 --> 14:28.280] [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah, no doubt.
[14:28.280 --> 14:36.160] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, you know, I think, you know, Elon maybe should go for a nice BBS or something.
[14:36.380 --> 14:42.060] [EVILCORLEY]: If you want to do a free speech experiment and just see what happens, you know, start small and get good at it.
[14:42.280 --> 14:45.300] [EVILCORLEY]: But but this this was a bad idea from the start.
[14:45.960 --> 14:47.080] [EVILCORLEY]: We all said that.
[14:48.260 --> 14:49.860] [EVILCORLEY]: And I don't know how it's going to end now.
[14:50.060 --> 14:51.260] [EVILCORLEY]: It'll end in fire, no doubt.
[14:51.420 --> 14:53.640] [EVILCORLEY]: But it's it's not going to be pretty.
[14:54.000 --> 15:00.120] [EVILCORLEY]: And this is finding out about somehow Elon Musk got onto our timeline at 2600.
[15:00.240 --> 15:00.980] [EVILCORLEY]: How did that happen?
[15:01.200 --> 15:03.900] [EVILCORLEY]: There's a tweet from him on our timeline.
[15:03.900 --> 15:04.940] [EVILCORLEY]: We don't follow him.
[15:05.640 --> 15:12.020] [EVILCORLEY]: But somehow he says and he is the word you can't use on the radio, but he put a star in the middle of it.
[15:12.020 --> 15:13.380] [EVILCORLEY]: But the word B.S. baffles brains.
[15:15.900 --> 15:18.100] [EVILCORLEY]: That's the statement of the day, apparently.
[15:19.900 --> 15:21.680] [EVILCORLEY]: But it showed up on our timeline.
[15:22.160 --> 15:27.220] [EVILCORLEY]: OK, you know, an investigation has to be launched now as to how he's he hijacked our time that we don't follow him.
[15:28.100 --> 15:29.140] [EVILCORLEY]: He shouldn't be there.
[15:29.240 --> 15:30.180] [EVILCORLEY]: And it doesn't say promoted.
[15:30.260 --> 15:31.680] [EVILCORLEY]: So I don't I don't get it.
[15:31.880 --> 15:33.000] [EVILCORLEY]: Did he hack the system?
[15:33.320 --> 15:34.460] [EVILCORLEY]: Is that what's going on here?
[15:34.720 --> 15:36.180] [EVILCORLEY]: Have we been hacked by Elon Musk?
[15:39.000 --> 15:40.320] [KYLEDROSDK]: Well, we'll report it.
[15:40.400 --> 15:40.920] [KYLEDROSDK]: We will.
[15:40.920 --> 15:42.900] [EVILCORLEY]: Who who's going to listen to him?
[15:44.020 --> 15:45.940] [EVILCORLEY]: We're trying to get verified by him.
[15:46.800 --> 15:47.660] [EVILCORLEY]: Nothing works.
[15:48.280 --> 15:49.060] [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, boy.
[15:49.160 --> 15:50.620] [KYLEDROSDK]: That's the statement of the year.
[15:50.740 --> 15:51.420] [KYLEDROSDK]: Nothing works.
[15:51.680 --> 15:53.240] [KYLEDROSDK]: So what else do we have that doesn't work?
[15:55.160 --> 16:04.940] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, certainly our our country at the moment isn't working very well as far as safety, as far as hatred, all these things.
[16:04.940 --> 16:17.840] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, hatred and great supplies, safety is in short supply, referring to the terrorist act in Buffalo cost 10 people their lives at the hands of a white supremacist with access to to weaponry.
[16:19.300 --> 16:21.160] [EVILCORLEY]: And now we're looking at a situation.
[16:21.160 --> 16:28.760] [EVILCORLEY]: And this will be interesting to look at where Governor Hochul is proposing a series of measures to combat domestic terrorism.
[16:30.060 --> 16:44.760] [EVILCORLEY]: Her plan is to strengthen what's known as the red flag law that's meant to bar certain individuals from owning or possessing weapons, which sounds great to me, creating a new homeland security unit to track extremism online.
[16:44.760 --> 16:51.760] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, I'm never a big fan of homeland security anything because it just sounds so Orwellian.
[16:52.080 --> 16:55.660] [EVILCORLEY]: But extremism online is definitely an issue.
[16:56.140 --> 17:08.160] [EVILCORLEY]: And here's here's the the interesting one investigate the online platforms that broadcast the massacre and sites where the Buffalo shooter posted racist writings before the attack.
[17:08.160 --> 17:15.240] [EVILCORLEY]: Now, it said that these are sites like Twitch, Discord, 4chan, all very different from each other.
[17:15.360 --> 17:28.000] [EVILCORLEY]: But all played a part in this as far as the the shooter had access to them and was actually able to broadcast part of what he was doing and discuss in advance what he was doing.
[17:30.420 --> 17:45.960] [EVILCORLEY]: And this is this is what the Attorney General Letitia James said, the fact that an individual can post detailed plans to commit such an act of hate without consequence and then stream it for the world to see is bone chilling and unfathomable.
[17:45.960 --> 17:55.420] [EVILCORLEY]: As we continue to mourn and honor the lives that were stolen, we are taking serious action to investigate these companies for their roles in this attack time and time again.
[17:55.960 --> 18:07.460] [EVILCORLEY]: We have seen the real world devastation that is born of these dangerous and hateful platforms, and we are doing everything in our power to shine a spotlight on this alarming behavior and take action to ensure it never happens again.
[18:07.460 --> 18:11.440] [EVILCORLEY]: I'm not sure the platforms themselves are dangerous and hateful.
[18:11.580 --> 18:18.720] [EVILCORLEY]: I'm not sure that's that's really a fair way to characterize them, but they certainly were used for dangerous and hateful purposes.
[18:18.940 --> 18:20.260] [EVILCORLEY]: I think that's what needs to be looked at.
[18:20.380 --> 18:30.380] [EVILCORLEY]: I'm just I'm a little wary of of of of attacking the technology or the platforms that are using the technology as as the threat.
[18:30.380 --> 18:32.840] [EVILCORLEY]: I think they are not being used properly.
[18:33.460 --> 18:34.920] [EVILCORLEY]: They're being abused, certainly.
[18:35.360 --> 18:37.060] [EVILCORLEY]: And we need to figure this out.
[18:37.100 --> 18:50.300] [EVILCORLEY]: But this cannot turn into a political issue or an issue of speech, because I cannot imagine having a debate about speech where someone is saying, yes, someone should have the right to broadcast a massacre as he guns down innocent people.
[18:50.940 --> 18:56.940] [EVILCORLEY]: I mean, we can all agree that that is something reprehensible that has to be stopped and prevented.
[18:57.400 --> 18:59.300] [EVILCORLEY]: The question is, how do we have that conversation?
[18:59.420 --> 19:01.280] [EVILCORLEY]: It looks like you want to you want to start that conversation.
[19:01.880 --> 19:02.760] [ALEXURBELS]: Well, yeah, I do.
[19:02.880 --> 19:19.740] [ALEXURBELS]: I mean, it's I think it goes back to the conversation that we tried to end about Twitter and Elon Musk, because what you're driving at, in my opinion, is the fact that we do need some kind of community standards and some sort of universal mores or ethics about what's right and what's wrong.
[19:19.740 --> 19:25.200] [ALEXURBELS]: And it's not very hard for us to figure that out with these sorts of extreme examples.
[19:25.200 --> 19:35.720] [ALEXURBELS]: It's almost like a universal principle of natural laws, you know, in every in every community, in every nation, society, et cetera.
[19:35.980 --> 19:38.440] [ALEXURBELS]: It's always bad to murder somebody in the same way.
[19:38.560 --> 19:41.200] [ALEXURBELS]: It's always bad to broadcast the murder of somebody.
[19:41.320 --> 19:42.880] [ALEXURBELS]: I mean, it's absolutely horrific.
[19:42.880 --> 19:53.160] [ALEXURBELS]: And it goes back to this issue of the dumpster fire that Twitter would become if there were no rules or there were no rules on any of these other platforms.
[19:53.160 --> 20:08.220] [ALEXURBELS]: And the fact that this guy, the shooter, I won't even mention his name, was radicalized by going to places like 4chan and 8chan and these unregulated boards should tell us something about the dangers of unregulated speech and activity.
[20:08.220 --> 20:23.940] [ALEXURBELS]: You know, when it comes to hate speech and things like that, because if we do have these community standards and they are enforced, that prevents the spillover of digital violence to physical violence and prevents the radicalization of people going into a mosque,
[20:23.960 --> 20:29.740] [ALEXURBELS]: let's say, in New Zealand and killing Muslims or going into a supermarket in Buffalo and killing people.
[20:29.740 --> 20:35.160] [ALEXURBELS]: But I want to go back to the second point here, which is tracking extremism online.
[20:36.420 --> 20:43.840] [ALEXURBELS]: And as I've mentioned before, I'm a founding board member of the Technology Advisory Board for Human Rights First.
[20:44.140 --> 20:57.360] [ALEXURBELS]: And one of the things that I've been doing with Human Rights First is repurposing the DNS or the domain name system intelligence platform that I created over the last several years to track extremism online in the global domain name system.
[20:57.360 --> 21:07.900] [ALEXURBELS]: And I'll tell you, yesterday, there were two domain names that were registered that jumped out to me today as being highly dangerous and really nasty.
[21:08.240 --> 21:11.780] [ALEXURBELS]: And one of them was whitepowerworldwide.com.
[21:12.520 --> 21:17.920] [ALEXURBELS]: And the other was in a new GTLD or a new generic top-level domain, .world.
[21:18.140 --> 21:20.500] [ALEXURBELS]: It was whitepower.world.
[21:20.500 --> 21:30.380] [ALEXURBELS]: All of these were registered by the same exact person at 22-23 Zulu on the 17th of May.
[21:31.220 --> 21:41.020] [ALEXURBELS]: And what was really interesting about these two domains is if you navigate to whitepowerworldwide.com, what do you think you get?
[21:41.860 --> 21:52.640] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, I mean, since it was just registered yesterday, I imagine they probably haven't had time to set up a nice-looking website, probably just something saying, under construction, check back soon, something like that.
[21:52.640 --> 21:59.400] [ALEXURBELS]: Well, you know, you would be wrong, because whoever registered those domain names redirected them to the NAACP.
[22:00.660 --> 22:02.120] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, that's interesting.
[22:02.360 --> 22:03.620] [ALEXURBELS]: Which I thought was great.
[22:04.040 --> 22:14.460] [ALEXURBELS]: And when you further investigate these domains, whitepowerworldwide.com, these were previously registered, they existed, and they had expired.
[22:14.460 --> 22:27.820] [ALEXURBELS]: So whoever snatched these up yesterday did a public service by snatching them up before some kind of extremist could repurpose them, and now they're redirecting all the traffic that used to go there to the NAACP.
[22:27.820 --> 22:29.780] [ALEXURBELS]: So whoever did that, kudos to them.
[22:29.940 --> 22:35.060] [EVILCORLEY]: But when you described it at the beginning, you said it leaped out at you as dangerous.
[22:35.220 --> 22:42.920] [EVILCORLEY]: And I think what you're demonstrating here is how we cannot trust our instincts as what is dangerous and what is not.
[22:43.060 --> 22:47.080] [EVILCORLEY]: Something that appears to be evil actually could be an act of good.
[22:47.260 --> 22:56.680] [EVILCORLEY]: I just wonder, you know, somebody who actually goes to that website and winds up at the NAACP, what kind of mood are they going to be in at that point?
[22:57.180 --> 22:58.640] [EVILCORLEY]: And what will be their next step?
[22:59.400 --> 23:00.640] [EVILCORLEY]: That worries me a little bit.
[23:01.120 --> 23:01.760] [ALEXURBELS]: Who knows?
[23:01.880 --> 23:09.980] [ALEXURBELS]: But I think it's a great methodology to look for these expired domain names because you're also, you know, you're in charge of the traffic then.
[23:10.220 --> 23:15.000] [ALEXURBELS]: You also could be in charge of whatever email addresses existed at that particular domain name as well.
[23:15.000 --> 23:18.940] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, then you're launching a whole new career for yourself, tracking down white supremacists.
[23:19.060 --> 23:22.420] [EVILCORLEY]: I don't know if everybody is suited for that.
[23:22.740 --> 23:24.120] [EVILCORLEY]: But wow, that's interesting.
[23:24.240 --> 23:27.040] [EVILCORLEY]: How do you find a domain that's about to expire though?
[23:27.160 --> 23:28.320] [EVILCORLEY]: And how do you get it?
[23:28.440 --> 23:33.420] [EVILCORLEY]: Because every time I've seen something like that happen, it's in the hands of a squatter.
[23:33.780 --> 23:34.780] [EVILCORLEY]: It's in the hands of a company.
[23:35.880 --> 23:40.600] [EVILCORLEY]: And either you pay $10,000 for it or some other machine gets it.
[23:41.240 --> 23:47.140] [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah, there are these, like, domain snap services and things where you can put in some...
[23:47.140 --> 23:55.520] [ALEXURBELS]: They're monitoring services so that when the domain goes back into general registration, when the public can re-register it, it'll snap it back up.
[23:56.640 --> 23:58.440] [ALEXURBELS]: That's one service that you can use.
[23:58.540 --> 24:04.840] [ALEXURBELS]: Another is really just to be vigilant and watch these types of things and take note of, you know, the date on which a domain is going to expire.
[24:04.840 --> 24:06.460] [ALEXURBELS]: Then there's going to be some kind of grace period.
[24:06.660 --> 24:10.220] [ALEXURBELS]: After that grace period expires and the domain will go back into the general public.
[24:10.940 --> 24:16.180] [ALEXURBELS]: And things like white power worldwide, they might not be on anybody's waiting list.
[24:16.880 --> 24:17.820] [ALEXURBELS]: Let's hope not.
[24:18.280 --> 24:24.640] [KYLEDROSDK]: I just want to add the technical solutions we're mentioning are worthwhile and important.
[24:24.640 --> 24:40.540] [KYLEDROSDK]: And in addition to that, I think like the measures that Governor Hochul was talking about, some of the initiatives, whatever, however big or small, if it's a gun buybacks, if it's more education, even I'll say mental health, of course.
[24:40.720 --> 24:44.120] [KYLEDROSDK]: Yes, we all need more mental health care in this country.
[24:44.760 --> 24:46.680] [KYLEDROSDK]: It seems every day we need it more and more.
[24:46.940 --> 25:03.520] [KYLEDROSDK]: So, you know, all of those different levels, I think, are aspects of this because it is a truly chaotic, but pattern, you know, a systemic pattern we're noticing in generations of a particular type of person.
[25:03.520 --> 25:16.120] [KYLEDROSDK]: And we really, I think, need to have a deep reckoning about identity, cultural identity, and race relations needs to continue to be something that, you know, we open up and discuss.
[25:17.160 --> 25:18.540] [KYLEDROSDK]: I don't know what it's going to take.
[25:18.660 --> 25:18.920] [KYLEDROSDK]: I don't know.
[25:19.040 --> 25:20.960] [KYLEDROSDK]: I don't think we have any one answer.
[25:21.080 --> 25:22.280] [KYLEDROSDK]: These technical things are a start.
[25:22.280 --> 25:37.600] [KYLEDROSDK]: The only thing I'm hearing that's dangerous in some of the comments about these platforms is that thing of slipping into all of the activities on Telegram or on, you know, end-to-end or otherwise invisible platforms.
[25:37.600 --> 25:50.500] [KYLEDROSDK]: So, at least on these other ones, they're easier to spot, easier to maybe toy with a little bit, throw them some honeypots, some fun places to go, loiter, or other things.
[25:54.040 --> 25:58.280] [KYLEDROSDK]: Maybe challenging some of the conversation that goes on there, or I don't know.
[25:58.460 --> 26:03.680] [KYLEDROSDK]: I mean, again, I think we're all asking and trying to find out ways to deal with this kind of stuff.
[26:03.680 --> 26:07.340] [KYLEDROSDK]: My point is just it's going to take a whole lot of everything we can think of.
[26:07.840 --> 26:10.400] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, mastery of these platforms is key.
[26:10.580 --> 26:17.740] [EVILCORLEY]: And I think, you know, if we basically suspect a platform of being evil from the start...
[26:17.740 --> 26:20.460] [EVILCORLEY]: I remember TikTok a couple of years ago, how suspicious everybody was.
[26:20.540 --> 26:22.080] [EVILCORLEY]: Not everybody uses TikTok constantly.
[26:22.700 --> 26:23.560] [EVILCORLEY]: Maybe they were right.
[26:23.700 --> 26:25.620] [EVILCORLEY]: But the point is, it's not the platform.
[26:25.620 --> 26:27.300] [EVILCORLEY]: It's what people do with it.
[26:27.300 --> 26:42.420] [EVILCORLEY]: And if you have people on the platform who are good people, they're the ones that can make the platform adjust itself so that these kinds of things aren't as easy to happen as we're seeing right now.
[26:43.960 --> 26:54.280] [EVILCORLEY]: What the Attorney General was saying, that investigations will focus on those platforms that may have been used to stream, promote, or plan the event, including but not limited to Amazon.
[26:55.360 --> 27:00.780] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, I said it that way because, you know, if you say Twitch, people don't always know that Twitch is owned by Amazon.
[27:00.780 --> 27:06.700] [KYLEDROSDK]: But that could be host machines on their cloud services as well as the Twitch platform.
[27:06.920 --> 27:07.000] Of course, yeah.
[27:07.040 --> 27:09.920] [EVILCORLEY]: 4chan, 8chan, Discord, all these platforms.
[27:10.780 --> 27:13.880] [EVILCORLEY]: It's important that we understand how they work.
[27:14.120 --> 27:16.540] [EVILCORLEY]: We know what we want out of them.
[27:17.060 --> 27:25.920] [EVILCORLEY]: You know, I think there are things, regardless of whether or not you agree with people on many different items, there are things that I think many of us, most of us, hopefully all of us can agree on.
[27:25.920 --> 27:32.640] [EVILCORLEY]: That's that there shouldn't be guns in the hands of people who are going to do things like this or who are likely to do things like this.
[27:33.420 --> 27:37.000] [EVILCORLEY]: These platforms should not be used to promote such horrible events.
[27:39.680 --> 27:41.460] [EVILCORLEY]: And, well, you know, take it from there.
[27:41.900 --> 27:58.020] [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah, using the platforms, I think there are already parallel laws related to, you know, different types of equipment that if you use it in commission of a crime, like lockpicking sets or body armor, it is illegal.
[27:58.640 --> 28:12.420] [KYLEDROSDK]: But in not using, you know, using it, normally using it for a legitimate purpose, more or less, or less a non-hateful purpose, shall we say, in this case, then, okay, you can stream and do as you like.
[28:12.420 --> 28:21.560] [KYLEDROSDK]: But I would be very surprised if this wasn't something that would escalate some kind of charge because it was used in the commission of a crime, just like any of these kind of equipment things I was talking about.
[28:21.780 --> 28:32.680] [EVILCORLEY]: But, you know, it goes further and it gets, you know, a bit more debatable when you start looking at inspirations for people to become radicalized.
[28:32.900 --> 28:34.060] [EVILCORLEY]: I'm looking at Fox News.
[28:34.280 --> 28:38.640] [EVILCORLEY]: I'm looking at replacement theory that Tucker Carlson's been pushing, probably pushing at this very moment.
[28:40.180 --> 28:42.260] [EVILCORLEY]: And, you know, what do you do about that?
[28:42.260 --> 28:45.840] [EVILCORLEY]: How do you counter this besides making people aware of it?
[28:46.960 --> 28:48.060] [EVILCORLEY]: And it's tough.
[28:48.340 --> 28:49.000] [EVILCORLEY]: It really is tough.
[28:49.220 --> 28:55.780] [EVILCORLEY]: The small thing that I'm doing right now is if, you know, if I see Fox News playing in an establishment, I'm walking out of that establishment.
[28:56.260 --> 28:58.100] [EVILCORLEY]: And I think everybody can do that.
[28:58.300 --> 28:59.720] [EVILCORLEY]: You know, no confrontation.
[29:00.260 --> 29:01.140] [EVILCORLEY]: No, nothing like that.
[29:01.260 --> 29:03.620] [EVILCORLEY]: But you don't have to support it.
[29:03.680 --> 29:06.360] [EVILCORLEY]: And you do support it if you treat it like this is okay.
[29:07.120 --> 29:13.060] [EVILCORLEY]: And I would go so far as to say if I have an appointment at a doctor or a dentist and they're playing Fox News, I'm going to get a different doctor or dentist.
[29:13.180 --> 29:14.460] [EVILCORLEY]: And I'm going to let them know that.
[29:15.000 --> 29:16.240] [EVILCORLEY]: A couple of other things you can do.
[29:16.560 --> 29:19.880] [EVILCORLEY]: You know, everybody has the same cable remote.
[29:20.920 --> 29:26.020] [EVILCORLEY]: If you're going into a place locally, odds are they're using the same system that you have.
[29:26.160 --> 29:27.120] [EVILCORLEY]: Bring your remote with you.
[29:27.340 --> 29:28.160] [EVILCORLEY]: It's going to work.
[29:28.400 --> 29:30.400] [EVILCORLEY]: You can even block that channel.
[29:30.640 --> 29:31.740] [EVILCORLEY]: It's a way of doing that.
[29:31.760 --> 29:32.300] [EVILCORLEY]: I've never done it.
[29:32.300 --> 29:38.880] [EVILCORLEY]: But you can actually go into an establishment and with a couple of keystrokes, this puts TV to be gone to shame.
[29:39.480 --> 29:41.820] [EVILCORLEY]: You can make it so they can't even watch that channel.
[29:42.680 --> 29:43.380] [EVILCORLEY]: I know.
[29:43.640 --> 29:44.740] [EVILCORLEY]: Where's my freedom of speech?
[29:44.880 --> 29:45.400] [EVILCORLEY]: But you know what?
[29:45.520 --> 29:46.740] [EVILCORLEY]: Sometimes you just got to act.
[29:46.880 --> 29:48.280] [KYLEDROSDK]: Is that with the parental controls?
[29:48.420 --> 29:49.280] [KYLEDROSDK]: Like you can set a password?
[29:49.620 --> 29:50.680] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, you can set a password.
[29:51.100 --> 29:54.020] [EVILCORLEY]: I'm sure, you know, you can get the password since, you know, you're...
[29:54.020 --> 29:55.900] [EVILCORLEY]: The thing is, they're just going to assume it's broken.
[29:56.120 --> 29:57.260] [EVILCORLEY]: They're not going to know what you did.
[29:58.400 --> 30:00.960] [EVILCORLEY]: There's all kinds of clever ways you can fight back.
[30:00.960 --> 30:04.320] [EVILCORLEY]: Not always, you know, 100% the right thing to do.
[30:04.480 --> 30:05.940] [EVILCORLEY]: But boy, it'll make you feel better.
[30:06.420 --> 30:07.220] [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah, absolutely.
[30:07.420 --> 30:11.820] [KYLEDROSDK]: And holding media corporations to better standards.
[30:12.100 --> 30:15.620] [KYLEDROSDK]: Having less consolidation in media, generally speaking, would be better.
[30:15.780 --> 30:22.940] [KYLEDROSDK]: But a lot less of the illegitimate kinds of smaller news outlets.
[30:22.940 --> 30:39.620] [KYLEDROSDK]: Because if you turn your back on larger media organizations, media organizations that have credibility, that employ journalists that really care about getting their craft right, that, you know, make corrections when they have to, that kind of true reporting,
[30:39.900 --> 30:43.540] [KYLEDROSDK]: you turn your back on that, you're going to get a lot of those clickbait news sites.
[30:43.540 --> 30:50.620] [KYLEDROSDK]: And you're going to get the media you deserve, and, you know, as a result, you'll get the country that you deserve.
[30:50.920 --> 30:53.540] [KYLEDROSDK]: And some people are totally satisfied with that.
[30:53.580 --> 30:54.060] [KYLEDROSDK]: I'm not.
[30:54.060 --> 30:55.820] [KYLEDROSDK]: And I know there are a lot of other people that are not.
[30:56.700 --> 31:01.340] [KYLEDROSDK]: So it's the kind of thing where scrutiny for the types of media that we're consuming.
[31:01.560 --> 31:08.960] [KYLEDROSDK]: And like you mentioned, that cable channel needs to be referred to as what it is, which is mostly commentary.
[31:09.100 --> 31:10.460] [KYLEDROSDK]: It's not reporting.
[31:10.900 --> 31:11.540] [KYLEDROSDK]: No, it's not news.
[31:11.800 --> 31:12.360] [KYLEDROSDK]: It's not the same thing.
[31:12.500 --> 31:14.080] [KYLEDROSDK]: There's certainly, you know, CNN.
[31:14.080 --> 31:35.320] [KYLEDROSDK]: There's other channels that have their failings, but some of these things don't compare as far as replacement theory and these kinds of insidious conspiracies and really ideologically backwards and contrary to American ideals and values.
[31:35.580 --> 31:39.000] [KYLEDROSDK]: But it's being masqueraded as something legitimate, which it's not.
[31:39.000 --> 31:40.340] [KYLEDROSDK]: It shouldn't be made to be.
[31:40.460 --> 31:40.700] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[31:40.840 --> 31:50.580] [EVILCORLEY]: The thing is, you know, that the horse has left the barn and we need to figure out how to coax it back and get back to somewhat of a civilized society.
[31:50.580 --> 31:52.320] [EVILCORLEY]: We're very far away from that right now.
[31:52.460 --> 32:08.040] [EVILCORLEY]: And the more we have these naive views of what's fair and what's free, it's going to get worse because, you know, everyone has their opinion on everything from vaccines to elections.
[32:09.260 --> 32:12.460] [EVILCORLEY]: You know, whether or not somebody has rights equal to you.
[32:13.520 --> 32:14.720] [EVILCORLEY]: It's it's madness.
[32:14.940 --> 32:17.820] [EVILCORLEY]: And it's, you know, it's definitely getting worse in many places.
[32:18.000 --> 32:20.420] [EVILCORLEY]: It doesn't really make a difference who's in power at the at the moment.
[32:20.820 --> 32:23.820] [EVILCORLEY]: It's the it's the the mood of the nation right now.
[32:23.940 --> 32:35.240] [EVILCORLEY]: And right now, you know, on the cusp of of Roe versus Wade being overturned, gay and trans people having laws against their existence being passed everywhere.
[32:36.260 --> 32:45.440] [EVILCORLEY]: It's it's a scary time and it's going to continue to be scary unless we fight back and we have to figure out all different kinds of ways of fighting back and standing by each other.
[32:45.580 --> 32:52.560] [EVILCORLEY]: That's very important, because if we if we, you know, attack each other while we're doing this, then it's it's pointless.
[32:52.560 --> 32:53.840] [EVILCORLEY]: We won't accomplish anything.
[32:54.740 --> 32:55.360] [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[32:57.320 --> 33:01.000] [EVILCORLEY]: On a different note, there is a UFO hearing in Congress.
[33:01.000 --> 33:01.740] [EVILCORLEY]: You saw this?
[33:01.980 --> 33:02.180] [EVILCORLEY]: Yes.
[33:02.420 --> 33:04.160] [EVILCORLEY]: What's what's going on?
[33:04.280 --> 33:05.280] [EVILCORLEY]: Is there something I need to know about?
[33:05.280 --> 33:23.100] [KYLEDROSDK]: Well, they're representatives from various parts of the government, specifically naval intelligence and and some of the other the leads of this UAP task group or committee or whatever.
[33:23.240 --> 33:28.480] [KYLEDROSDK]: They're basically investigating and creating a process for reporting UAPs.
[33:28.480 --> 33:29.760] [KYLEDROSDK]: They're formalizing that process.
[33:29.820 --> 33:30.580] [KYLEDROSDK]: What's a UAP?
[33:31.100 --> 33:33.540] [KYLEDROSDK]: It is the new term they're using for UFO.
[33:33.600 --> 33:35.080] [KYLEDROSDK]: And you know what a UFO is.
[33:35.080 --> 33:36.040] [EVILCORLEY]: Why can't we say UFO?
[33:36.180 --> 33:37.140] [EVILCORLEY]: We have to say UAP now?
[33:37.640 --> 33:39.380] [EVILCORLEY]: This political correctness is too much.
[33:39.660 --> 33:46.100] [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah, I think that that term allowed for sort of broader sets of scenarios.
[33:46.100 --> 33:51.440] [KYLEDROSDK]: And they're looking at all of them to kind of create a database and find patterns.
[33:51.600 --> 33:51.860] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, wait.
[33:51.980 --> 33:52.400] [EVILCORLEY]: UAP.
[33:52.840 --> 33:53.280] [EVILCORLEY]: Unidentified.
[33:53.480 --> 33:54.380] [EVILCORLEY]: I'm going to say it's unidentified.
[33:54.680 --> 33:56.460] [EVILCORLEY]: Rob looks like you have a guess for the second word.
[33:56.460 --> 33:56.940] [EVILCORLEY]: What?
[33:57.120 --> 33:57.840] [EVILCORLEY]: Unless you already know.
[33:58.220 --> 33:59.260] [ROBVINCENT]: I do already know.
[33:59.300 --> 34:00.560] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, then you can't guess, can you?
[34:00.620 --> 34:01.060] [EVILCORLEY]: That's not fair.
[34:01.180 --> 34:01.720] [EVILCORLEY]: Alex, you guess.
[34:01.800 --> 34:01.900] [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[34:02.020 --> 34:02.520] [EVILCORLEY]: I'll set this up.
[34:04.900 --> 34:05.620] [ALEXURBELS]: I can't.
[34:06.260 --> 34:07.020] [ALEXURBELS]: I'm at a loss.
[34:07.220 --> 34:08.620] [EVILCORLEY]: Think of a single word beginning with A.
[34:10.860 --> 34:11.220] [ALEXURBELS]: Acrobats.
[34:12.880 --> 34:13.240] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[34:13.340 --> 34:13.920] [EVILCORLEY]: Good guess.
[34:14.560 --> 34:15.520] [EVILCORLEY]: Gila, do you know the answer?
[34:15.980 --> 34:17.680] [GILADRAZEN]: I do because I can see it.
[34:17.740 --> 34:18.700] [GILADRAZEN]: It's up on Rob's screen.
[34:18.880 --> 34:20.760] [GILADRAZEN]: So I'm going to accuse myself from asking.
[34:20.780 --> 34:21.100] [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[34:21.140 --> 34:21.860] [EVILCORLEY]: So I got a guess now.
[34:23.080 --> 34:23.440] [EVILCORLEY]: Unidentified.
[34:24.680 --> 34:25.600] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, it is hard.
[34:26.060 --> 34:28.400] [EVILCORLEY]: To think of a word beginning with...
[34:29.020 --> 34:30.180] [KYLEDROSDK]: This isn't the whole story.
[34:30.320 --> 34:32.380] [KYLEDROSDK]: It's just something we're focusing on here.
[34:32.420 --> 34:32.600] [EVILCORLEY]: No.
[34:32.720 --> 34:34.440] [EVILCORLEY]: But what could begin with A?
[34:34.580 --> 34:35.760] [EVILCORLEY]: It's a flying object.
[34:36.140 --> 34:36.540] [EVILCORLEY]: Alien.
[34:36.840 --> 34:37.120] [EVILCORLEY]: Alien.
[34:37.520 --> 34:37.880] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[34:38.120 --> 34:39.520] [EVILCORLEY]: Unidentified alien something.
[34:40.020 --> 34:40.420] [EVILCORLEY]: No?
[34:40.560 --> 34:41.160] [EVILCORLEY]: No alien?
[34:41.240 --> 34:42.240] [EVILCORLEY]: They don't like to use the word alien?
[34:42.360 --> 34:43.440] [KYLEDROSDK]: For the sake of this conversation...
[34:43.440 --> 34:43.480] [KYLEDROSDK]: Is it alien?
[34:43.840 --> 34:44.400] [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah, that's...
[34:44.400 --> 34:46.180] [EVILCORLEY]: Maybe the eighth time I say alien, I'll be right.
[34:46.620 --> 34:47.480] [KYLEDROSDK]: It's not alien.
[34:47.620 --> 34:47.760] [KYLEDROSDK]: Alien?
[34:47.940 --> 34:48.080] [EVILCORLEY]: No?
[34:48.280 --> 34:48.380] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[34:48.600 --> 34:49.500] [EVILCORLEY]: Let's tell us what it is.
[34:50.420 --> 34:50.860] [KYLEDROSDK]: Uh...
[34:51.180 --> 34:52.140] [KYLEDROSDK]: Unidentified aerial phenomena.
[34:54.060 --> 34:54.760] [EVILCORLEY]: That's stupid.
[34:54.920 --> 34:55.260] [EVILCORLEY]: I'm sorry.
[34:55.960 --> 34:57.980] [EVILCORLEY]: Unidentified flying objects made a lot of sense.
[34:58.160 --> 35:00.140] [EVILCORLEY]: Unidentified aerial phenomena...
[35:00.140 --> 35:01.140] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, whatever.
[35:01.460 --> 35:02.420] [KYLEDROSDK]: What is in a name?
[35:02.540 --> 35:03.700] [KYLEDROSDK]: Who cares about the name?
[35:03.780 --> 35:04.600] [KYLEDROSDK]: Well, apparently they do.
[35:04.700 --> 35:05.240] [KYLEDROSDK]: They renamed it.
[35:05.480 --> 35:07.820] [KYLEDROSDK]: It's like the most exciting, interesting, fascinating thing.
[35:08.260 --> 35:13.140] [KYLEDROSDK]: And yet again, you got a problem with the way they're labeling it?
[35:13.140 --> 35:14.440] [SPEAKER_11]: You call it the...
[35:14.440 --> 35:16.020] [SPEAKER_11]: Hey, they are the ones who changed it.
[35:16.100 --> 35:16.760] [SPEAKER_11]: I didn't.
[35:17.540 --> 35:18.300] [SPEAKER_11]: So anyway...
[35:18.300 --> 35:23.340] [KYLEDROSDK]: Unidentified aerial popcorn, you know, just make up a name for it.
[35:23.360 --> 35:24.320] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, apparently that's what they did.
[35:24.440 --> 35:25.020] [EVILCORLEY]: So, okay, what...
[35:25.020 --> 35:26.100] [EVILCORLEY]: It's not the most important part of this.
[35:26.160 --> 35:27.220] [EVILCORLEY]: What was the most important part?
[35:27.380 --> 35:45.460] [KYLEDROSDK]: I think the most important part is that they are organizing, they're creating a system, they're working with civilian as well as their own pilots so that they'll actively report things and they talked about, well, not much because a lot of it ended up being,
[35:46.880 --> 35:50.820] [KYLEDROSDK]: well, not as satisfying as far as answers you would want.
[35:50.820 --> 35:52.900] [EVILCORLEY]: What kind of witnesses did they have?
[35:53.100 --> 35:54.840] [EVILCORLEY]: And you say civilians as well as military.
[35:55.080 --> 35:56.560] [KYLEDROSDK]: Well, it was a little comical.
[35:56.660 --> 36:08.520] [KYLEDROSDK]: They played a video and then the player they were playing the video couldn't advance frame by frame so they had to get some help to show a frame because every time they played the video, the flying object would fly past the screen.
[36:08.660 --> 36:10.180] [KYLEDROSDK]: They couldn't... you couldn't see it.
[36:10.280 --> 36:15.160] [KYLEDROSDK]: So they would, like, try to advance the video and it would skip past wherever this object was.
[36:15.300 --> 36:19.580] [KYLEDROSDK]: So you had, like, ten minutes of trying to show this proof.
[36:19.620 --> 36:20.800] [KYLEDROSDK]: It showed nothing.
[36:21.100 --> 36:21.620] [KYLEDROSDK]: So...
[36:21.620 --> 36:23.660] [EVILCORLEY]: These are the people telling us about...
[36:23.660 --> 36:24.680] [EVILCORLEY]: I'm saying it again.
[36:25.300 --> 36:26.380] [EVILCORLEY]: UAP, right?
[36:26.720 --> 36:26.880] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[36:27.940 --> 36:32.500] [EVILCORLEY]: And they can't even play it back with the technology they have.
[36:32.640 --> 36:35.160] [EVILCORLEY]: How are they supposed to explain technology we don't understand yet?
[36:35.160 --> 36:40.960] [KYLEDROSDK]: It's, it's more Congress that was having trouble displaying their, um, their exhibits.
[36:41.140 --> 36:41.920] [KYLEDROSDK]: But they did bring stuff.
[36:42.100 --> 36:47.580] [KYLEDROSDK]: They showed, um, scenarios where they could explain what you were seeing and why it was happening.
[36:47.740 --> 36:55.980] [KYLEDROSDK]: They, they had other, uh, like the one I was talking about where they eventually got it on this frame and it is an object that they cannot explain.
[36:56.240 --> 37:06.240] [KYLEDROSDK]: And, uh, there were other instances where they talked about situations that had been reported that had other data, but they couldn't talk about where and what kind of data that was.
[37:06.440 --> 37:10.560] [KYLEDROSDK]: So, uh, you get the sense that there are things they don't know about.
[37:10.680 --> 37:19.700] [KYLEDROSDK]: There are things that they have pretty good certainty that it is, uh, man-made or, or has an explanation like scientifically or otherwise.
[37:20.200 --> 37:33.700] [KYLEDROSDK]: Um, but then amidst all the different categories, they talked about the other category where it's just like, we have not enough information, we don't really know where or what it is, or we can't explain how it came to be in, in the evidence we have.
[37:34.120 --> 37:48.680] [KYLEDROSDK]: So, their, um, their whole presentation was basically about the kind of spectrum of things that they're looking at and looking into for all the reporting that this is, that's being channeled to them.
[37:48.680 --> 38:00.000] [KYLEDROSDK]: But they're really trying to formalize this thing instead of it being, um, uh, relegated to, uh, crackpot theories and, and, uh, wild conspiracies.
[38:00.080 --> 38:00.640] [EVILCORLEY]: And who is they?
[38:00.740 --> 38:02.960] [EVILCORLEY]: Is it a particular committee of Congress?
[38:03.560 --> 38:13.180] [KYLEDROSDK]: I, I don't have the exact details in front of me about who and how it's working, but maybe, um, someone with, uh, information services near them can, can elaborate for me.
[38:16.330 --> 38:17.270] [EVILCORLEY]: Doesn't appear so.
[38:17.410 --> 38:18.270] [EVILCORLEY]: I can...
[38:18.270 --> 38:20.010] [ROBVINCENT]: Yeah, I can, I can certainly try.
[38:20.390 --> 38:24.750] [ROBVINCENT]: Um, I, let's see, this was, this was a, uh, this was a panel that, uh, held this hearing.
[38:25.050 --> 38:31.650] [ROBVINCENT]: Um, and it was, uh, bit, well, I can explain why it's unidentified aerial phenomena now.
[38:31.970 --> 38:36.230] [ROBVINCENT]: Um, because that, uh, that covers more, a lot more ground than unidentified flying object.
[38:36.530 --> 38:37.690] [ROBVINCENT]: Something might not be an object.
[38:37.830 --> 38:40.750] [ROBVINCENT]: It might be a trick of the light or, you know, something of that nature.
[38:41.030 --> 38:45.770] [ROBVINCENT]: So, this, this basically opens it up to, it's up in the sky and we don't know what it is.
[38:46.190 --> 38:46.510] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[38:46.590 --> 38:50.030] [EVILCORLEY]: But, but then when you, when you start to learn what it is, couldn't it then become a UFO?
[38:50.370 --> 38:53.230] [EVILCORLEY]: Because then it's a flying object, not a, not a, uh, you know, reflection of light.
[38:53.610 --> 38:55.870] [ROBVINCENT]: But if you've identified it, it's no longer unidentified.
[38:56.130 --> 39:01.310] [ROBVINCENT]: It's just a plane or some swamp gas or, you know, a spaceship or whatever, but it is not identified.
[39:01.510 --> 39:02.570] [ROBVINCENT]: It is not unidentified.
[39:02.570 --> 39:07.190] [EVILCORLEY]: Of course, if it's identified, it's not a UFO, but I'm saying if it's not identified, it still could be a UFO.
[39:07.190 --> 39:09.310] [EVILCORLEY]: And, uh, that kind of narrows it down.
[39:09.590 --> 39:16.370] [EVILCORLEY]: I, you know, I don't really care what they call it, but, um, I, I saw some of this hearing and it was disappointingly boring.
[39:16.670 --> 39:23.050] [ROBVINCENT]: Um, but, uh, and, and there was not one single inquiry into the whereabouts of Fox Mulder's sister.
[39:23.210 --> 39:24.570] [ROBVINCENT]: So I just, I had, I had to switch it.
[39:24.570 --> 39:28.490] [EVILCORLEY]: Wasn't there a period where, where somebody was being asked what kind of science fiction conventions he went to?
[39:28.490 --> 39:29.550] [KYLEDROSDK]: Yes.
[39:29.850 --> 39:31.070] [EVILCORLEY]: What was that all about?
[39:32.030 --> 39:43.590] [KYLEDROSDK]: Um, one of the leads of this task force or this panel, um, that was being questioned is a, um, former intelligence officer.
[39:43.850 --> 39:46.850] [KYLEDROSDK]: I don't know if he was the guy from Naval Intelligence.
[39:47.010 --> 39:50.130] [KYLEDROSDK]: I think he was from Naval Intelligence, spent his career doing that.
[39:50.290 --> 39:57.310] [KYLEDROSDK]: And then, um, he talked a little bit about, um, his fascination with this topic.
[39:57.310 --> 40:19.570] [KYLEDROSDK]: And, um, and how he grew up during the space race and, um, alongside the actual factual accomplishments, uh, moon conspiracies aside, but, uh, alongside the, uh, leaps and bounds that were being made in aerospace and, uh, exploration in the sixties was this incredible compendium of media from the sixties,
[40:19.730 --> 40:25.150] [KYLEDROSDK]: the seventies on, um, you have, uh, tons and tons of media and, and science fiction stuff.
[40:25.150 --> 40:35.050] [KYLEDROSDK]: So he admitted, uh, having an interest and said he didn't, uh, didn't, he went to conventions, but wouldn't go so far as to say that he dressed up, uh, entirely.
[40:35.430 --> 40:39.590] [KYLEDROSDK]: And then, uh, was, was Joe, uh, prodded a little bit about entirely not participating.
[40:39.790 --> 40:49.550] [KYLEDROSDK]: Like perhaps maybe he has, uh, donned some, some costume for, for one of those, but that I think, uh, he explained, um, is part of his character.
[40:49.550 --> 40:51.710] [KYLEDROSDK]: And I thought that was really good explanation to that.
[40:52.170 --> 40:52.430] [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah.
[40:52.630 --> 40:54.690] [KYLEDROSDK]: The people involved in this are people too.
[40:54.890 --> 40:56.170] [KYLEDROSDK]: They do have a sense of humor.
[40:56.290 --> 41:01.830] [KYLEDROSDK]: They do have fascinations with, you know, fantasy and, and, uh, stuff that is not true.
[41:01.950 --> 41:06.990] [KYLEDROSDK]: And I think for like my passion and interest in this, that's so crucial.
[41:06.990 --> 41:08.850] [KYLEDROSDK]: You've got to have an imagination for this.
[41:09.010 --> 41:11.490] [KYLEDROSDK]: You're investigating things that we don't understand.
[41:11.490 --> 41:15.710] [KYLEDROSDK]: We may not have the capacity to understand the phenomena or the technology.
[41:15.710 --> 41:24.290] [KYLEDROSDK]: You must have an imagination and appreciation for the unknown and the mysterious and the things you don't even know you can think of yet.
[41:24.530 --> 41:25.070] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[41:25.070 --> 41:29.030] [KYLEDROSDK]: So I, I was impressed by that and I thought that just lent to their credibility, but...
[41:29.030 --> 41:29.490] [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead, Alex.
[41:30.270 --> 41:49.590] [ALEXURBELS]: I mean, I'm, I'm, I think, aligned with Rob here in that I remember this UAP thing being addressed in Congress last year and leave it to Congress to take one of the most esoteric, fascinating phenomenon of the 20th and, uh, century and 21st century, and to just,
[41:49.690 --> 41:53.270] [ALEXURBELS]: you know, make it into an incredibly dull and boring hearing here.
[41:53.270 --> 42:07.110] [ALEXURBELS]: I mean, I, frankly, I, I, I would have preferred to see, you know, the person testifying dressed up as like, you know, uh, as one of the greys or, you know, really, frankly, just, just wake me up when they confirm that the greys exist, that they're here on earth and,
[42:07.210 --> 42:08.910] [ALEXURBELS]: and they're testifying in front of Congress.
[42:09.030 --> 42:11.210] [ALEXURBELS]: Other than that, I'm, I feel like I'm done with this.
[42:11.810 --> 42:15.510] [KYLEDROSDK]: Well, I, I would, I would propose that this is by design, Alex.
[42:15.730 --> 42:16.750] [KYLEDROSDK]: They want it to be boring.
[42:17.010 --> 42:17.910] [KYLEDROSDK]: It needs to be dry.
[42:18.190 --> 42:39.890] [KYLEDROSDK]: There needs to be parts of this that people accept and, um, and don't really, uh, think of anymore because there are elements of this that are related to defense and that do have implications for near peer competition and, and sorts of, uh, leaps and bounds in technological and other sorts of technologies that could be a threat to national security.
[42:39.890 --> 42:55.010] [KYLEDROSDK]: So the dryness, I mean, if you're not, uh, a, a, uh, uh, C-SPAN veteran and you can't read between what's being said in, in a, in a testimony, uh, spend some more time listening to the dryness.
[42:55.150 --> 42:57.650] [KYLEDROSDK]: But when you listen to that kind of stuff, you got to read into it.
[42:57.750 --> 42:59.910] [KYLEDROSDK]: You got to think of the person that's testifying.
[43:00.050 --> 43:03.890] [KYLEDROSDK]: I mean, we do this when, uh, judges were being, you know, looked at.
[43:03.890 --> 43:05.010] [KYLEDROSDK]: It's the exact same thing.
[43:05.130 --> 43:12.330] [KYLEDROSDK]: When you go and you talk, uh, you're going to have our representatives inquire about why you're there, whatever business you're doing.
[43:12.470 --> 43:16.910] [KYLEDROSDK]: And there's, even if it is boring and dry, there's so much you can kind of glean.
[43:17.290 --> 43:20.550] [KYLEDROSDK]: Um, now this though, I, I would say you're, you're right.
[43:20.730 --> 43:24.710] [KYLEDROSDK]: Um, in, in how brief it was and how little detail there was.
[43:24.710 --> 43:39.590] [KYLEDROSDK]: Um, and they just basically, as is in the case in many things on, um, uh, uh, uh, conflict and, and, uh, intelligence, intelligence or, or, um, defense stuff, like they have an additional session that is closed and not public.
[43:39.790 --> 43:41.310] [KYLEDROSDK]: So you got this.
[43:41.550 --> 43:42.290] [EVILCORLEY]: Wait, wait, wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
[43:42.410 --> 43:47.510] [EVILCORLEY]: On this they had, uh, yeah, they had a closed door session about UFOs or UA.
[43:47.710 --> 43:49.590] [KYLEDROSDK]: They took a break and then they had a closed session.
[43:49.710 --> 43:50.150] [KYLEDROSDK]: No, wait, okay.
[43:50.490 --> 43:56.570] [EVILCORLEY]: If, if you're trying to get people to not think there's some kind of a conspiracy going on in involving this, that's not the way to do it.
[43:56.870 --> 43:57.270] [KYLEDROSDK]: Well, right.
[43:57.410 --> 44:02.210] [KYLEDROSDK]: But there, and some of the reporting I read, I think it was a New Yorker comment on it.
[44:02.410 --> 44:04.270] [KYLEDROSDK]: There's a certain schizophrenia around this topic.
[44:04.290 --> 44:05.570] [KYLEDROSDK]: Like we're sort of admitting.
[44:05.770 --> 44:06.050] [KYLEDROSDK]: You think?
[44:06.210 --> 44:06.330] [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah.
[44:06.470 --> 44:08.990] [KYLEDROSDK]: One thing we're saying, no, we don't know another thing.
[44:09.090 --> 44:11.490] [KYLEDROSDK]: And they were saying, Oh, this is a important to national security.
[44:11.590 --> 44:13.170] [KYLEDROSDK]: It's like, there's a lot of things.
[44:13.470 --> 44:16.610] [EVILCORLEY]: And then you close the doors and tried out the aliens and, and, and we don't ever find out about it.
[44:17.050 --> 44:17.410] [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah.
[44:18.090 --> 44:19.490] [KYLEDROSDK]: It's, it's going to be disappointing.
[44:19.630 --> 44:20.510] [KYLEDROSDK]: It's going to be a letdown.
[44:20.510 --> 44:26.650] [KYLEDROSDK]: Um, but there's more admission here and more, um, interesting stuff going on.
[44:26.790 --> 44:32.970] [KYLEDROSDK]: And if you're, um, if you're fascinated by this stuff, follow it and write about it or, um, you know, get involved.
[44:33.090 --> 44:34.190] [KYLEDROSDK]: Maybe you can help investigate.
[44:34.310 --> 44:39.490] [EVILCORLEY]: You know, who they should have talked to is a member hacker known as Gary McKinnon, uh, over in the UK.
[44:39.610 --> 44:44.410] [EVILCORLEY]: He was accused of, uh, perpetrating the biggest military computer hack of all time.
[44:44.530 --> 44:49.210] [EVILCORLEY]: When he broke into 97 U.S. government computers for a time, they were trying to extradite him.
[44:49.470 --> 44:52.770] [EVILCORLEY]: And it was a big fight, uh, to, um, uh, imprison him.
[44:53.110 --> 44:55.110] [EVILCORLEY]: They tried to imprison him for up to 60 years.
[44:55.390 --> 44:59.450] [EVILCORLEY]: Um, but his extradition was blocked after a 10 year legal battle.
[44:59.570 --> 45:00.750] [EVILCORLEY]: He remains a free man.
[45:01.210 --> 45:03.230] [EVILCORLEY]: And he had a couple of things, uh, to say.
[45:03.230 --> 45:04.510] [EVILCORLEY]: He said he, he, he did no harm.
[45:04.510 --> 45:08.130] [EVILCORLEY]: He was merely looking for evidence that U.S. government was actively covering up UFOs.
[45:08.170 --> 45:10.770] [EVILCORLEY]: No doubt he was, he was glued to the TV set yesterday.
[45:10.770 --> 45:19.890] [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, he, uh, told the sun online, what he found left him gobsmacked as he stumbled across thousands of photos during his cyber sting.
[45:20.130 --> 45:21.170] [EVILCORLEY]: Thousands of photos.
[45:21.530 --> 45:23.490] [EVILCORLEY]: It's a fact that there are objects.
[45:23.930 --> 45:25.770] [EVILCORLEY]: We don't understand flying around in our skies.
[45:25.770 --> 45:30.990] [EVILCORLEY]: It's also a fact that there are scientific intelligence and military departments that study these objects.
[45:31.390 --> 45:41.210] [EVILCORLEY]: He, uh, claims to have found, um, one particularly striking photograph, an image of a cigar shaped, non man-made craft captured in a satellite photo.
[45:41.370 --> 45:47.150] [EVILCORLEY]: It appears to be a very close up image of the object in space was strangely shaped domes on all sides.
[45:47.550 --> 45:51.990] [EVILCORLEY]: That image was the only one Gary managed to see himself before he lost the connection.
[45:52.770 --> 45:53.110] [EVILCORLEY]: Damn.
[45:53.250 --> 45:57.470] [EVILCORLEY]: I hate, I hate how TV shows play out, but, uh, sometimes real life plays out the same way.
[45:57.570 --> 45:59.390] [EVILCORLEY]: He said there were thousands more photos though.
[46:00.210 --> 46:02.410] [EVILCORLEY]: Um, yeah, you know, uh, talk to this guy.
[46:02.550 --> 46:06.530] [EVILCORLEY]: I'm sure you'll learn a few things and, um, maybe find some interesting pictures.
[46:06.690 --> 46:09.810] [EVILCORLEY]: He had a painfully slow, uh, slow 56 K dial up connection.
[46:10.050 --> 46:16.970] [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, he was only able to get the one image out of the folder before his remote connection cut and he lost the chance to print the screen.
[46:17.650 --> 46:18.110] [EVILCORLEY]: Wow.
[46:18.290 --> 46:18.890] [EVILCORLEY]: So frustrating.
[46:19.390 --> 46:27.950] [EVILCORLEY]: But, uh, things like this, interesting, interesting topics and things that we should, um, in the hacker world pursue and, and ask questions.
[46:28.310 --> 46:28.730] [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah.
[46:28.870 --> 46:39.410] [KYLEDROSDK]: And think, think, uh, as, uh, imaginatively as possible, you know, some of these, maybe they're us from the future, you know, who knows, who knows what this stuff is.
[46:39.610 --> 46:42.510] [KYLEDROSDK]: And, uh, the curious are key to this puzzle.
[46:43.410 --> 46:44.670] [EVILCORLEY]: I'm seeing a story here.
[46:44.830 --> 46:55.210] [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, crafty hackers can make a tool to eavesdrop on some six G wireless signals in as little as five minutes using office paper and inkjet printer, a metallic foil transfer and a laminator.
[46:55.210 --> 46:56.350] [EVILCORLEY]: Six G?
[46:56.590 --> 46:57.410] [EVILCORLEY]: Is this a joke?
[46:57.670 --> 46:58.890] [EVILCORLEY]: What's, uh, what are we doing here?
[47:00.110 --> 47:07.110] [KYLEDROSDK]: Well, six G is, uh, still being defined as far as I'm aware, and it's to be deployed in 2030.
[47:07.130 --> 47:09.810] [KYLEDROSDK]: So this seems like a conspiracy.
[47:10.010 --> 47:17.790] [EVILCORLEY]: The wireless security hack was discovered by engineering researchers from Rice University and Brown University, which will, uh, Brown Rice University.
[47:17.790 --> 47:34.630] [EVILCORLEY]: I get it, uh, which present their findings and demonstrate the attack this week in San Antonio at ACM YSEC 2022, uh, the Association for Computing Machinery's annual conference on security and privacy in wireless and mobile networks.
[47:34.810 --> 47:45.070] [EVILCORLEY]: Awareness of a future threat is the first step to counter that threat, said study co-author Edward Knightley, Rice's Schieffer Lindsay professor of electrical and computer engineering.
[47:45.070 --> 47:50.690] [EVILCORLEY]: The frequencies that are vulnerable in this attack aren't in use yet, but they are coming and we need to be prepared.
[47:50.890 --> 47:51.510] [EVILCORLEY]: I, I agree.
[47:51.750 --> 47:52.210] [KYLEDROSDK]: I agree.
[47:52.610 --> 47:58.350] [KYLEDROSDK]: Uh, the working pay, the, uh, proposal, I think Nokia published it cause Nokia is Bell Labs now.
[47:58.690 --> 48:00.790] [KYLEDROSDK]: Um, I printed out like a year ago.
[48:00.910 --> 48:03.150] [KYLEDROSDK]: I was going to read it on air cause it was so scary.
[48:03.330 --> 48:12.910] [KYLEDROSDK]: If you read kind of just, I mean, people freaked out about five G and yeah, a millimeter waves, different, different type of, uh, uh, energy and radiation and so forth.
[48:12.910 --> 48:19.010] [KYLEDROSDK]: But like six G is really where some of the privacy and stuff we've been talking about culminates.
[48:19.550 --> 48:25.390] [KYLEDROSDK]: Um, look it up, check out six G that'll, I'll make you think differently about five.
[48:25.490 --> 48:28.550] [EVILCORLEY]: And a few years we'll be talking about the security holes of six G.
[48:28.670 --> 48:29.010] [EVILCORLEY]: I know it.
[48:29.230 --> 48:34.010] [EVILCORLEY]: Um, now, uh, Tesla's in the news again, the millions of Tesla vehicles are vulnerable to hacking.
[48:34.470 --> 48:39.510] [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, these reports are coming up after a paper from the NCC group came out exposing Bluetooth low energy.
[48:39.770 --> 48:53.990] [EVILCORLEY]: We've conducted the world's first link layer relay attack on Bluetooth, low energy Billy, the standard protocol used for sharing data between devices that has been adopted by companies for proximity authentication to unlock millions of vehicles, residential smart locks,
[48:54.370 --> 48:59.370] [EVILCORLEY]: commercial building access control systems, smartphones, smart watches, laptops, and more.
[49:00.690 --> 49:04.030] [EVILCORLEY]: As they wrote, this is a specific exploit related to BLE.
[49:04.250 --> 49:06.690] [EVILCORLEY]: It affects virtually every device that uses the protocol.
[49:06.850 --> 49:11.510] [EVILCORLEY]: But the reason Tesla is being singled out is that they demonstrated the vulnerability in Tesla vehicles.
[49:11.510 --> 49:21.170] [EVILCORLEY]: They wrote in the report, cars with auto, uh, automotive, um, uh, keyless entry, uh, an attacker can unlock, start and drive a vehicle.
[49:21.350 --> 49:30.610] [EVILCORLEY]: NCC group has confirmed and disclosed a successful exploit of this for Tesla models three and why over 2 million of which have been sold.
[49:30.790 --> 49:35.710] [EVILCORLEY]: They're describing a relay attack, which has been a known issue with every car using key fobs.
[49:35.910 --> 49:38.970] [EVILCORLEY]: And Tesla has moved to BLE key fobs in 2016.
[49:39.790 --> 49:45.190] [EVILCORLEY]: Thefts of Tesla vehicles are quite rare in North America, but in Europe, they have some, some more sophisticated thieves.
[49:46.070 --> 49:46.510] [EVILCORLEY]: Huh?
[49:47.230 --> 49:48.830] [EVILCORLEY]: They have more sophisticated thieves in Europe?
[49:48.930 --> 49:49.410] [EVILCORLEY]: I didn't know that.
[49:49.710 --> 49:52.050] [EVILCORLEY]: I thought, I thought this was one thing we were leading in.
[49:52.250 --> 49:53.890] [KYLEDROSDK]: Well, they're familiar with European cars.
[49:53.990 --> 49:55.510] [EVILCORLEY]: They just, they insult us on every level.
[49:55.730 --> 49:55.890] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[49:55.990 --> 49:57.190] [EVILCORLEY]: More sophisticated thieves.
[49:57.370 --> 49:57.570] [EVILCORLEY]: Wow.
[49:57.710 --> 49:59.290] [EVILCORLEY]: That's, that's, that's a smack in the face.
[49:59.770 --> 50:07.510] [EVILCORLEY]: Um, they managed a string of Tesla vehicle thefts through relay attacks and most vehicles haven't been recovered.
[50:08.150 --> 50:08.710] [EVILCORLEY]: Wow.
[50:08.930 --> 50:17.150] [EVILCORLEY]: In response to those attacks, Tesla started rolling out extra layers of security with an improved cryptography key fob and optional pin to drive feature.
[50:17.570 --> 50:24.090] [EVILCORLEY]: These measures can be applied to greatly decrease the chances of your Tesla vehicle being stolen, even with this BLE vulnerability.
[50:25.510 --> 50:25.950] [EVILCORLEY]: Wow.
[50:26.170 --> 50:26.850] [EVILCORLEY]: I had no idea.
[50:27.250 --> 50:30.870] [EVILCORLEY]: And you know, it, it, it makes an old fashioned key kind of good now.
[50:31.030 --> 50:31.130] [EVILCORLEY]: Right?
[50:32.390 --> 50:32.830] [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah.
[50:32.890 --> 50:34.870] [KYLEDROSDK]: A little bit more effective in some ways.
[50:34.990 --> 50:38.950] [KYLEDROSDK]: Uh, but this is all, uh, under the assumption you want to steal a Tesla.
[50:39.250 --> 50:40.290] [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead, Alex.
[50:41.090 --> 50:51.170] [ALEXURBELS]: I think, you know, this is a, a really interesting story because this Bluetooth low energy protocol was never really intended to be used for something like access control.
[50:51.350 --> 50:57.950] [ALEXURBELS]: It's the classic example of a technology being repurposed for a function for which it was not originally designed.
[50:58.650 --> 51:09.890] [ALEXURBELS]: And because it's so ingrained in so many devices, in so many places, you know, not just Teslas, but, you know, being used for access control locks, you mentioned a manual, you know, all over the place.
[51:10.110 --> 51:15.990] [ALEXURBELS]: I think like log four J, which we dealt with, uh, last year, you know, this is a vulnerability.
[51:15.990 --> 51:22.470] [ALEXURBELS]: It's going to be really hard to fix or patch because it's so fundamental to so many different devices around the world.
[51:22.830 --> 51:25.430] [ALEXURBELS]: And a lot of those devices may not be updated.
[51:25.570 --> 51:26.470] [ALEXURBELS]: They may not be patched.
[51:26.470 --> 51:27.490] [ALEXURBELS]: They may be disused.
[51:27.870 --> 51:29.410] [ALEXURBELS]: Manufacturers may have gone out of business.
[51:29.850 --> 51:33.190] [ALEXURBELS]: So it's going to be a vulnerability that's with us for some time.
[51:34.410 --> 51:34.930] [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[51:34.990 --> 51:36.170] [EVILCORLEY]: Our time is up.
[51:36.350 --> 51:40.390] [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, we are going to continue the conversation on overtime on YouTube.
[51:40.570 --> 51:42.190] [EVILCORLEY]: Just go to Channel2600 on YouTube.
[51:42.410 --> 51:47.090] [EVILCORLEY]: It's, it's one word, or click on the link that's on the top of, uh, 2600.com webpage.
[51:47.590 --> 52:04.950] [EVILCORLEY]: Um, this final story though, um, if, if, uh, you were one of the people watching Eurovision over the weekend, what a great, uh, contest that was a pretty amazing, positive, uplifting experience, but Russian hackers were attempting to disrupt the voting to prevent Ukraine from,
[52:05.110 --> 52:06.250] [EVILCORLEY]: uh, from, from winning.
[52:06.390 --> 52:15.470] [EVILCORLEY]: Um, the Italian police's cybersecurity department blocks several attacks on network infrastructure by the kill net hacker group and its affiliate legion.
[52:16.390 --> 52:24.870] [EVILCORLEY]: In February, in the wake of Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine, the European broadcasting union moved to exclude Russia from the contest and they succeeded in excluding them.
[52:25.570 --> 52:31.090] [EVILCORLEY]: Um, and, uh, there were some Russian hackers who promised to, um, um, to, to hack the system.
[52:31.090 --> 52:32.170] [EVILCORLEY]: Didn't work, didn't happen.
[52:32.350 --> 52:32.910] [EVILCORLEY]: Didn't happen.
[52:32.910 --> 52:36.210] [EVILCORLEY]: And Ukraine won by a record number of popular votes.
[52:36.410 --> 52:46.270] [EVILCORLEY]: We are going to go out with that winning song from, uh, from the Kalish orchestra, uh, called, um, uh, uh, Stefania, I believe.
[52:46.590 --> 52:49.470] [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, it's, um, dedicated to the singer's mother.
[52:49.950 --> 52:50.710] [EVILCORLEY]: How appropriate.
[52:51.410 --> 52:54.110] [EVILCORLEY]: oth@2600.com is our email address.
[52:54.430 --> 52:55.670] [EVILCORLEY]: Write us with any comments you have.
[52:55.830 --> 52:59.090] [EVILCORLEY]: Tune in eight o'clock on, uh, YouTube for overtime.
[52:59.090 --> 53:00.010] [EVILCORLEY]: We'll see you in two weeks.
[53:00.190 --> 53:00.510] [EVILCORLEY]: Good night.
[54:51.220 --> 55:01.480] [EVILCORLEY]: And welcome everybody to YouTube, Channel2600, where we are having our weekly episode of Off The Hook Overtime.
[55:02.520 --> 55:04.660] [KYLEDROSDK]: Yes, an episode it is.
[55:04.920 --> 55:05.600] [KYLEDROSDK]: Welcome, everyone.
[55:05.860 --> 55:10.380] [EVILCORLEY]: It's not an episode until we actually make it onto YouTube, and it takes us about 20 seconds or so to know that we made it onto YouTube.
[55:10.560 --> 55:12.300] [EVILCORLEY]: Sometimes we haven't made it.
[55:12.680 --> 55:14.120] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, it's kind of dramatic.
[55:14.600 --> 55:20.860] [EVILCORLEY]: Rob T. Firefly is giving us a thumbs up, so I think we're on YouTube, and we can officially say, welcome to cyberspace, everybody.
[55:22.140 --> 55:25.180] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, so we had a lot to talk about there.
[55:26.500 --> 55:28.000] [EVILCORLEY]: UFOs, or whatever they're called now.
[55:29.180 --> 55:34.020] [EVILCORLEY]: And technology as threatening instruments.
[55:35.500 --> 55:36.700] [EVILCORLEY]: All sorts of things like that.
[55:36.820 --> 55:38.520] [EVILCORLEY]: And, of course, Eurovision.
[55:38.680 --> 55:39.420] [EVILCORLEY]: Really like that song.
[55:39.580 --> 55:40.900] [EVILCORLEY]: Really like that Ukrainian song.
[55:41.100 --> 55:45.940] [EVILCORLEY]: In fact, you know, every single one of the 40 songs is now stuck in my head.
[55:46.080 --> 55:47.540] [EVILCORLEY]: I did this in a week.
[55:47.700 --> 55:48.280] [EVILCORLEY]: Less than a week.
[55:48.780 --> 55:50.360] [EVILCORLEY]: Just, you know, on YouTube, they're all there.
[55:50.360 --> 55:55.120] [EVILCORLEY]: You just play them, and they're very catchy, and some of the videos are really, really good.
[55:55.400 --> 55:59.320] [EVILCORLEY]: And just the spirit of the whole event is really incredible.
[55:59.500 --> 56:01.220] [EVILCORLEY]: So I recommend it to anybody.
[56:01.580 --> 56:13.540] [EVILCORLEY]: Not necessarily the kind of music that I listen to, or not necessarily the kind of music you might even like, but it's that spirit of camaraderie, that spirit of just fun that we don't seem to have enough of lately.
[56:14.540 --> 56:17.740] [EVILCORLEY]: And, you know, you look for that in all different arenas.
[56:18.000 --> 56:19.160] [EVILCORLEY]: Sometimes it's a football arena.
[56:19.260 --> 56:22.680] [EVILCORLEY]: Sometimes it's a music arena.
[56:23.620 --> 56:26.540] [EVILCORLEY]: We all have to keep sharing the fun.
[56:28.340 --> 56:28.840] [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[56:29.300 --> 56:32.100] [EVILCORLEY]: What else do people have in their minds this week before we open up the phone lines?
[56:33.160 --> 56:38.120] [GILADRAZEN]: Well, Rob and I were talking about this during the break, and I didn't get a chance to share this on air.
[56:39.240 --> 56:44.880] [GILADRAZEN]: But I was telling Rob that when I was in college, I thought I saw a UAP.
[56:45.860 --> 56:47.820] [GILADRAZEN]: I was confident I had seen a UAP.
[56:48.060 --> 56:51.460] [GILADRAZEN]: And this was also making me think about the closed-door session, because here's the story.
[56:51.700 --> 56:56.280] [GILADRAZEN]: I went to college in a large urban center, shall we say.
[56:56.500 --> 57:04.240] [GILADRAZEN]: I took astronomy, and we convinced our professor that none of us were really good at math, so we just looked at stars.
[57:04.440 --> 57:07.400] [GILADRAZEN]: We just set up the telescope every week and looked at stars, and that was what we did.
[57:07.400 --> 57:12.100] [GILADRAZEN]: But because of urban light pollution, we had to, like, drive an hour to go set up the telescope.
[57:13.560 --> 57:14.500] [GILADRAZEN]: Everybody with me so far?
[57:14.600 --> 57:18.900] [GILADRAZEN]: So we went and set up the telescope, and I'm looking, and I said, okay, star, planet, star, this is great.
[57:19.200 --> 57:20.240] [GILADRAZEN]: Hey, what's that?
[57:21.200 --> 57:22.040] [GILADRAZEN]: That's a red thing.
[57:22.140 --> 57:23.160] [GILADRAZEN]: That's not supposed to be there.
[57:23.340 --> 57:23.940] [GILADRAZEN]: Oh, my God.
[57:23.980 --> 57:25.320] [GILADRAZEN]: You guys, it's a UFO.
[57:25.780 --> 57:26.480] [GILADRAZEN]: It's a UFO.
[57:26.620 --> 57:28.460] [GILADRAZEN]: And I was, like, screaming and jumping up and down.
[57:28.580 --> 57:29.380] [GILADRAZEN]: I found a UFO.
[57:29.580 --> 57:30.300] [GILADRAZEN]: This is a UFO.
[57:30.480 --> 57:31.540] [GILADRAZEN]: Oh, my God, this is scary.
[57:33.040 --> 57:34.560] [GILADRAZEN]: So everybody came and looked at the telescope.
[57:35.720 --> 57:41.800] [GILADRAZEN]: It turned out it was an airplane in a holding pattern, and that was a wing light that I was seeing.
[57:43.580 --> 57:45.780] [GILADRAZEN]: My friends gave me a very hard time about it.
[57:45.860 --> 57:47.040] [GILADRAZEN]: I never really lived it down.
[57:47.240 --> 58:00.120] [GILADRAZEN]: So I'm assuming that is why they had to have the closed-door session, because finding out the thing you saw was a UFO is not, in fact, a UFO or a UAP or whatever you want to call it is very embarrassing, and you don't want to do that in front of a lot of people.
[58:00.120 --> 58:04.000] [KYLEDROSDK]: Well, that was a big part of eliminating the stigma.
[58:04.300 --> 58:07.040] [KYLEDROSDK]: They've had a huge problem with that in reporting in the military.
[58:07.040 --> 58:14.480] [KYLEDROSDK]: You can imagine the kind of environment and seriousness and ribbing you might undergo, saying you saw something.
[58:14.680 --> 58:17.760] [KYLEDROSDK]: To say nothing of your fitness to fly.
[58:17.960 --> 58:21.200] [KYLEDROSDK]: Like, as a pilot, you need to have good eyesight.
[58:21.400 --> 58:23.220] [KYLEDROSDK]: You need to not be on acid.
[58:23.220 --> 58:25.660] [KYLEDROSDK]: Like, you have got to do a good job.
[58:25.660 --> 58:34.320] [KYLEDROSDK]: And when you see things that aren't there, people might question your fitness to operate that airplane, especially if it's armed or something, you know?
[58:35.820 --> 58:36.180] [ROBVINCENT]: True.
[58:36.540 --> 58:47.420] [ROBVINCENT]: There's also the factor that, like, and I personally am no great fan of the military or closed governmental things, but you can see there are very actual, practical reasons why they had to address part of this behind closed doors.
[58:47.420 --> 58:49.740] [ROBVINCENT]: And that's because this does involve defense.
[58:49.940 --> 58:55.340] [ROBVINCENT]: It involves watching for, you know, things coming from, you know, hostile countries or what have you.
[58:55.520 --> 58:57.440] [ROBVINCENT]: And they need to not be able...
[58:57.440 --> 59:06.420] [ROBVINCENT]: They need to not speak in public about, like, exactly what the capabilities are for, like, seeing distant things in the air.
[59:06.720 --> 59:07.960] [ROBVINCENT]: Like, they need to keep some of that to themselves.
[59:07.960 --> 59:08.780] [EVILCORLEY]: Rob, I get all that.
[59:08.980 --> 59:09.200] [EVILCORLEY]: Fine.
[59:09.440 --> 59:23.380] [EVILCORLEY]: But maybe they could just give us a summation afterwards and say, this is what we concluded in our discussions and all kinds of secret info was given out and we're not going to talk about the secret info.
[59:24.080 --> 59:24.760] [EVILCORLEY]: I don't know.
[59:27.650 --> 59:31.730] [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah, I think it's partly that.
[59:31.930 --> 59:41.490] [KYLEDROSDK]: I mean, there's a lot of aspects to that, the embarrassment part, but also the sensors and stuff that Rob is speaking to.
[59:41.690 --> 59:47.790] [KYLEDROSDK]: A lot of those are used for other capabilities for defense and you obviously, you don't want to say what you're able to image and not.
[59:47.890 --> 59:50.870] [KYLEDROSDK]: But there's also aspects of this where we're not really set up.
[59:50.870 --> 01:00:04.570] [KYLEDROSDK]: We don't have systems or we have them, but they're disparate or they're just on one particular plane or the types of planes that are out there maybe don't have all the things they need to do this.
[01:00:04.690 --> 01:00:07.490] [KYLEDROSDK]: And more to the point, it's not integrated.
[01:00:07.510 --> 01:00:14.190] [KYLEDROSDK]: It's not all connected and funneling into a group like this in a formal way.
[01:00:14.190 --> 01:00:18.710] [KYLEDROSDK]: It never has been, or at least it has not been officially in a public way.
[01:00:18.710 --> 01:00:26.610] [KYLEDROSDK]: So just the mere fact that they're establishing this in public, even though there are private aspects of that, that is encouraging.
[01:00:26.730 --> 01:00:28.070] [KYLEDROSDK]: But I am so with you.
[01:00:28.150 --> 01:00:30.110] [KYLEDROSDK]: There are so many parts of this.
[01:00:30.730 --> 01:00:53.670] [KYLEDROSDK]: It's hard to believe, like, okay, you'll string along for so long, but then when it gets cagey, when there's stuff that creates more opportunity for questions than actual answers, it's a little bit hard, like, oh, is this defense we're talking about or is this a defense resource that saw something that you can't talk about?
[01:00:53.770 --> 01:00:58.490] [KYLEDROSDK]: Like, you start... there's only a couple different scenarios that would make them shut up about stuff.
[01:00:58.510 --> 01:01:00.530] [KYLEDROSDK]: And that's what I mean by, like, reading between the lines.
[01:01:00.530 --> 01:01:15.770] [KYLEDROSDK]: You can kind of figure out, like, oh, they might have other sensors that have other data that you're not going to tell us about that tells us about a certain object that it was actually an object or that it had heat or other wavelengths coming off of it,
[01:01:15.910 --> 01:01:16.910] [KYLEDROSDK]: radio frequencies, etc.
[01:01:16.910 --> 01:01:25.850] [EVILCORLEY]: Can I just say, and this is for the benefit of our listeners in the tri-state area, that we can direct you to, what do you call it?
[01:01:25.890 --> 01:01:32.630] [EVILCORLEY]: I guess an IFO, identified flying object, but it might be kind of mysterious and you might not have known what it was.
[01:01:33.090 --> 01:01:35.410] [EVILCORLEY]: In one hour, the space station is going to be visible.
[01:01:35.650 --> 01:01:43.250] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, one hour from now at eight minutes after nine o'clock until 14 minutes after nine o'clock.
[01:01:43.250 --> 01:01:45.970] [EVILCORLEY]: And these are very, very exact.
[01:01:46.270 --> 01:01:47.790] [EVILCORLEY]: You can't... they can't be late.
[01:01:47.950 --> 01:01:48.930] [EVILCORLEY]: They happen.
[01:01:49.450 --> 01:01:54.210] [EVILCORLEY]: It's going to be rising in the... let's see, the west?
[01:01:54.610 --> 01:01:57.050] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, and it'll be setting in the northeast.
[01:01:57.870 --> 01:01:59.130] [EVILCORLEY]: It'll just be in the sky.
[01:01:59.270 --> 01:02:01.370] [EVILCORLEY]: You'll see a bright light.
[01:02:01.670 --> 01:02:02.750] [EVILCORLEY]: It's not super bright.
[01:02:02.850 --> 01:02:05.090] [EVILCORLEY]: It was a lot brighter a couple of days ago, you know, when it was raining.
[01:02:05.770 --> 01:02:08.670] [EVILCORLEY]: This is magnitude minus 1.4.
[01:02:08.870 --> 01:02:12.270] [EVILCORLEY]: So it'll be like Jupiter, if you know what Jupiter looks like.
[01:02:12.270 --> 01:02:13.790] [EVILCORLEY]: It'll be a pretty bright...
[01:02:14.250 --> 01:02:19.950] [EVILCORLEY]: It'll look like an airplane moving, but it'll move in a way that doesn't seem like an airplane.
[01:02:20.150 --> 01:02:22.310] [EVILCORLEY]: It'll kind of be moving sideways a little bit.
[01:02:22.770 --> 01:02:24.910] [EVILCORLEY]: Very, very weird if you've never seen it before.
[01:02:25.150 --> 01:02:27.990] [EVILCORLEY]: At odds of all, you have seen it and just haven't realized what you're looking at.
[01:02:28.070 --> 01:02:30.690] [EVILCORLEY]: But the space station... and this happens almost every day.
[01:02:30.850 --> 01:02:33.150] [EVILCORLEY]: It happens, you know, in varying degrees.
[01:02:33.370 --> 01:02:37.170] [EVILCORLEY]: In fact, it's going to happen a couple more times tonight, but not nearly as bright.
[01:02:38.230 --> 01:02:39.430] [EVILCORLEY]: It'll be visible.
[01:02:39.430 --> 01:02:41.670] [EVILCORLEY]: It might be visible in other parts of the country as well.
[01:02:41.770 --> 01:02:47.350] [EVILCORLEY]: I imagine it would be, because it's not that much of a difference in distance.
[01:02:48.070 --> 01:02:57.350] [EVILCORLEY]: 9.08 and 41 seconds is when it'll first appear, and it will end at 9.14 and 31 seconds.
[01:02:57.450 --> 01:03:00.210] [EVILCORLEY]: And between that period of time, you will see a light going across the sky.
[01:03:01.190 --> 01:03:01.650] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[01:03:01.830 --> 01:03:02.970] [EVILCORLEY]: I can't tell you exactly where.
[01:03:03.570 --> 01:03:04.790] [EVILCORLEY]: Just... it'll be there.
[01:03:04.910 --> 01:03:05.790] [EVILCORLEY]: And if it's clear...
[01:03:05.790 --> 01:03:07.050] [EVILCORLEY]: I assume it's clear in the area.
[01:03:07.350 --> 01:03:08.530] [EVILCORLEY]: I haven't looked outside in a while.
[01:03:09.590 --> 01:03:10.590] [EVILCORLEY]: But it'll be fun.
[01:03:10.870 --> 01:03:12.730] [EVILCORLEY]: And hopefully, we'll be off the air by then.
[01:03:12.790 --> 01:03:14.310] [EVILCORLEY]: So you won't have to listen to us.
[01:03:14.830 --> 01:03:15.150] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:03:15.250 --> 01:03:15.950] [EVILCORLEY]: We have a phone call.
[01:03:16.010 --> 01:03:18.070] [EVILCORLEY]: You know, we haven't given the phone number out, and somehow we have a phone call.
[01:03:18.170 --> 01:03:18.930] [EVILCORLEY]: How is that possible?
[01:03:19.330 --> 01:03:20.550] [EVILCORLEY]: This is like time travel.
[01:03:21.250 --> 01:03:27.250] [KYLEDROSDK]: It may be a phone call that someone was anticipating to make a previous show, like a week or two weeks.
[01:03:27.550 --> 01:03:27.870] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:03:28.170 --> 01:03:29.450] [EVILCORLEY]: Let's not discount time travel.
[01:03:29.590 --> 01:03:30.610] [EVILCORLEY]: It could still be that.
[01:03:30.610 --> 01:03:32.970] [EVILCORLEY]: But it's possible also that...
[01:03:32.970 --> 01:03:34.950] [EVILCORLEY]: Are we using the same phone number we used last time?
[01:03:35.710 --> 01:03:36.550] [KYLEDROSDK]: Similar number, yeah.
[01:03:36.770 --> 01:03:37.110] [EVILCORLEY]: Similar?
[01:03:37.370 --> 01:03:37.530] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[01:03:38.010 --> 01:03:39.570] [EVILCORLEY]: We use the same number every damn week, don't we?
[01:03:39.650 --> 01:03:39.710] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[01:03:39.790 --> 01:03:41.470] [EVILCORLEY]: So they might have known that...
[01:03:41.470 --> 01:03:44.230] [EVILCORLEY]: So what they could have done is written it down, and then...
[01:03:44.230 --> 01:03:45.270] [KYLEDROSDK]: Do people still teach it?
[01:03:45.370 --> 01:03:46.090] [KYLEDROSDK]: People do that.
[01:03:46.270 --> 01:03:48.410] [KYLEDROSDK]: Do people still teach, like, handwriting and stuff?
[01:03:48.770 --> 01:03:49.130] [KYLEDROSDK]: Oh.
[01:03:49.330 --> 01:03:50.670] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, they don't have to write it.
[01:03:50.710 --> 01:03:51.430] [EVILCORLEY]: They can type it.
[01:03:51.650 --> 01:03:51.970] [EVILCORLEY]: You know?
[01:03:52.110 --> 01:03:52.310] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:03:52.310 --> 01:03:55.230] [EVILCORLEY]: They can speak it into one of their assistants and have it spoken back to them.
[01:03:55.350 --> 01:03:56.090] [KYLEDROSDK]: Or spray paint it.
[01:03:56.250 --> 01:03:56.490] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[01:03:57.010 --> 01:03:57.210] [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah.
[01:03:57.370 --> 01:04:00.290] [EVILCORLEY]: Anyway, they're probably very frustrated now that we haven't talked to them.
[01:04:00.290 --> 01:04:00.990] [EVILCORLEY]: Good evening.
[01:04:01.170 --> 01:04:02.090] [EVILCORLEY]: You're on Off The Hook.
[01:04:02.150 --> 01:04:02.370] [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead.
[01:04:03.510 --> 01:04:03.830] [REBEL_RICH]: Yes.
[01:04:03.930 --> 01:04:05.230] [REBEL_RICH]: The volume is perfect.
[01:04:05.370 --> 01:04:06.130] [EVILCORLEY]: It's Rebel.
[01:04:06.290 --> 01:04:07.130] [EVILCORLEY]: The volume is perfect.
[01:04:07.270 --> 01:04:08.930] [EVILCORLEY]: You know, it's such a smooth show.
[01:04:09.190 --> 01:04:09.670] [EVILCORLEY]: Isn't it smooth?
[01:04:10.230 --> 01:04:13.550] [EVILCORLEY]: And we're not going to be on for two weeks, and we're going to mess with all the dials.
[01:04:14.110 --> 01:04:16.150] [EVILCORLEY]: So we have to start from scratch all over again.
[01:04:17.450 --> 01:04:17.670] [REBEL_RICH]: Oh.
[01:04:17.850 --> 01:04:18.810] [REBEL_RICH]: We're not going to be on for two weeks.
[01:04:18.910 --> 01:04:19.090] [REBEL_RICH]: Okay.
[01:04:19.970 --> 01:04:21.410] [EVILCORLEY]: Rebel, have you ever seen the space station?
[01:04:22.970 --> 01:04:23.810] [REBEL_RICH]: No, I haven't.
[01:04:23.910 --> 01:04:24.930] [REBEL_RICH]: Well, you can tonight.
[01:04:25.170 --> 01:04:25.970] [REBEL_RICH]: I was talking about the...
[01:04:25.970 --> 01:04:31.050] [REBEL_RICH]: Yeah, well, that drone that was going around, I saw it on the news on New York City.
[01:04:31.090 --> 01:04:32.970] [EVILCORLEY]: This is the biggest drone of all.
[01:04:33.510 --> 01:04:34.410] [EVILCORLEY]: Think about it.
[01:04:34.710 --> 01:04:35.690] [EVILCORLEY]: And you can see it tonight.
[01:04:35.970 --> 01:04:37.250] [REBEL_RICH]: The unidentified thing.
[01:04:37.390 --> 01:04:39.250] [REBEL_RICH]: That thing that was at night in the sky.
[01:04:39.390 --> 01:04:41.050] [REBEL_RICH]: That drone that was like...
[01:04:41.050 --> 01:04:42.990] [EVILCORLEY]: If it's a drone, you just identified it.
[01:04:44.670 --> 01:04:45.730] [REBEL_RICH]: Well, that's what it was.
[01:04:46.230 --> 01:04:46.470] [REBEL_RICH]: Be specific.
[01:04:46.750 --> 01:04:46.890] [REBEL_RICH]: Yeah.
[01:04:46.910 --> 01:04:48.290] [REBEL_RICH]: Because I saw a defense...
[01:04:48.290 --> 01:04:52.290] [REBEL_RICH]: I mean, I saw something about, you know, the defense people were talking.
[01:04:52.550 --> 01:04:53.150] [REBEL_RICH]: So that's...
[01:04:53.550 --> 01:04:55.190] [REBEL_RICH]: I didn't hear it because I was watching.
[01:04:56.310 --> 01:04:57.530] [REBEL_RICH]: Anyway, yeah.
[01:04:57.710 --> 01:04:59.770] [REBEL_RICH]: So, let's see.
[01:05:01.010 --> 01:05:07.670] [REBEL_RICH]: When you go into stores now, they have the channel, like they play music, but it's not the radio.
[01:05:07.670 --> 01:05:09.830] [REBEL_RICH]: It's the Dunkin' Channel.
[01:05:10.190 --> 01:05:12.890] [REBEL_RICH]: You know, you go into Dunkin' Donuts, they don't have Hot 97 on.
[01:05:13.350 --> 01:05:15.350] [EVILCORLEY]: No, they have their own channels.
[01:05:15.470 --> 01:05:17.050] [EVILCORLEY]: In fact, you know, if you ever go...
[01:05:17.050 --> 01:05:19.470] [EVILCORLEY]: I went to this place a couple of times over the years.
[01:05:19.810 --> 01:05:23.210] [EVILCORLEY]: It's a radiology place called Zwanger Passori or something.
[01:05:23.490 --> 01:05:23.890] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[01:05:24.030 --> 01:05:24.310] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[01:05:24.510 --> 01:05:25.950] [EVILCORLEY]: They have their own TV channel.
[01:05:26.270 --> 01:05:28.290] [EVILCORLEY]: They have their own damn TV channel.
[01:05:28.430 --> 01:05:29.250] [EVILCORLEY]: They have adventure shows.
[01:05:29.370 --> 01:05:33.030] [EVILCORLEY]: I mean, they're probably not their own shows, but it's just a TV channel just for...
[01:05:33.030 --> 01:05:34.770] [EVILCORLEY]: I can't imagine who thought of this.
[01:05:35.210 --> 01:05:37.470] [EVILCORLEY]: But for people sitting in the waiting room, yeah.
[01:05:38.010 --> 01:05:39.950] [EVILCORLEY]: You get to see their own brand.
[01:05:40.230 --> 01:05:41.430] [EVILCORLEY]: It's better than seeing Fox News.
[01:05:41.570 --> 01:05:42.050] [EVILCORLEY]: I'll give them that.
[01:05:43.150 --> 01:05:44.930] [REBEL_RICH]: Why don't we have something at Hope like that?
[01:05:45.190 --> 01:05:46.030] [REBEL_RICH]: The Hope channel.
[01:05:46.030 --> 01:05:47.250] [EVILCORLEY]: Because we don't have a waiting room.
[01:05:49.130 --> 01:05:52.790] [REBEL_RICH]: No, I mean, we could play it on, like, I don't know, the last...
[01:05:52.790 --> 01:05:53.910] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, no, we have that.
[01:05:53.910 --> 01:05:54.930] [EVILCORLEY]: It's called the conference.
[01:05:54.930 --> 01:06:01.030] [EVILCORLEY]: We play talks, and we have the InfoBeamer giving you updates in between the talks and things like that.
[01:06:01.090 --> 01:06:02.090] [EVILCORLEY]: So, we do have our own channel.
[01:06:02.210 --> 01:06:03.110] [EVILCORLEY]: In fact, we have a few channels.
[01:06:03.110 --> 01:06:07.790] [KYLEDROSDK]: We're going to be continuing our use of the beaming schedule.
[01:06:08.030 --> 01:06:09.210] [KYLEDROSDK]: It's an InfoBeamer.
[01:06:09.370 --> 01:06:12.070] [KYLEDROSDK]: They're a great system.
[01:06:12.090 --> 01:06:16.790] [KYLEDROSDK]: And we've availed ourselves of their system for a couple events now.
[01:06:16.970 --> 01:06:19.590] [KYLEDROSDK]: And we're getting a little better at it.
[01:06:19.670 --> 01:06:22.110] [KYLEDROSDK]: And it's got a lot of capabilities.
[01:06:22.110 --> 01:06:27.130] [KYLEDROSDK]: And so, we'll have that, and we'll be having some fun with that.
[01:06:27.130 --> 01:06:28.810] [KYLEDROSDK]: And, of course, it's no supplement.
[01:06:28.910 --> 01:06:32.670] [KYLEDROSDK]: We'll have our main tracks and schedules.
[01:06:34.070 --> 01:06:39.030] [KYLEDROSDK]: But it'll help augment that with information and updates and a little bit of interaction, maybe.
[01:06:39.110 --> 01:06:42.450] [EVILCORLEY]: And we'll have some very interesting virtual things going on as well from all around.
[01:06:42.770 --> 01:06:44.190] [EVILCORLEY]: So, it'll be amazing.
[01:06:45.050 --> 01:07:02.070] [REBEL_RICH]: I just want to ask, how do radio stations, like, you know how, like, in New York City, like, WBAI's broadcast from the, whatever, the four Times Square or whatever, a couple of, like, when it used to be broadcast from the Empire State Building, how does all the radio stations get broadcast from one antenna,
[01:07:02.290 --> 01:07:05.410] [REBEL_RICH]: like, like the commercial stations, WBAI, how does that work?
[01:07:05.810 --> 01:07:08.970] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, okay, you're referring to a tower.
[01:07:09.110 --> 01:07:10.250] [EVILCORLEY]: They are broadcast from the same tower.
[01:07:10.410 --> 01:07:13.570] [EVILCORLEY]: Everyone has their own individual antenna, which is attached to the tower.
[01:07:13.710 --> 01:07:20.770] [EVILCORLEY]: And everyone has their own transmitter, which is downstairs in a, in a loud room with all kinds of fans and air conditioners going.
[01:07:20.930 --> 01:07:23.230] [EVILCORLEY]: And those are the transmitters going there.
[01:07:23.230 --> 01:07:35.770] [EVILCORLEY]: So, everyone shares, um, uh, a particular space, uh, with the, with the cabling and all, uh, in the, in the Empire State Building or, um, the Freedom Tower or four Times Square.
[01:07:36.010 --> 01:07:37.510] [EVILCORLEY]: It's the same pretty much everywhere.
[01:07:39.130 --> 01:07:39.570] [REBEL_RICH]: Okay.
[01:07:39.650 --> 01:07:41.830] [REBEL_RICH]: So, they broadcast from the same antenna?
[01:07:42.230 --> 01:07:42.590] [EVILCORLEY]: No, no.
[01:07:42.590 --> 01:07:47.270] [EVILCORLEY]: The antennas are all, you know, every station has their own antenna, but we're sharing a tower.
[01:07:47.510 --> 01:07:49.590] [EVILCORLEY]: So, so there's not all these different towers.
[01:07:49.590 --> 01:07:55.650] [EVILCORLEY]: And, you know, if you see a tower without a building attached to it with a flashing red light on top, similar things.
[01:07:55.810 --> 01:07:59.230] [EVILCORLEY]: You'll, you'll see antennas going up on the side.
[01:07:59.350 --> 01:08:00.410] [EVILCORLEY]: They could be cell phone antennas.
[01:08:00.510 --> 01:08:01.530] [EVILCORLEY]: They could be FM antennas.
[01:08:02.030 --> 01:08:08.370] [EVILCORLEY]: And, um, they, they basically, they, they rent them out based on, uh, height and of course power.
[01:08:08.810 --> 01:08:08.970] [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah.
[01:08:09.310 --> 01:08:15.790] [KYLEDROSDK]: I liken it to, um, this is a terrible analogy and I'm sure radio people will be upset at me for saying this.
[01:08:15.990 --> 01:08:16.730] [EVILCORLEY]: We are radio people.
[01:08:16.730 --> 01:08:18.950] [KYLEDROSDK]: It's like a, a pipe organ.
[01:08:19.050 --> 01:08:19.510] [EVILCORLEY]: I'm upset.
[01:08:19.890 --> 01:08:22.150] [KYLEDROSDK]: I know you're upset, but just go with me.
[01:08:22.490 --> 01:08:33.370] [KYLEDROSDK]: Imagine each pipe or key on that pipe organ is a frequency and a radio station and each one has its own transmitter and pump for each pipe.
[01:08:33.470 --> 01:08:33.770] [KYLEDROSDK]: You know what?
[01:08:33.830 --> 01:08:34.230] [KYLEDROSDK]: Nevermind.
[01:08:34.230 --> 01:08:36.510] [EVILCORLEY]: So radio is, is, is medieval in your eyes.
[01:08:36.610 --> 01:08:38.390] [EVILCORLEY]: That's, that's, that's, that's trying to make it like a musical.
[01:08:38.750 --> 01:08:43.890] [REBEL_RICH]: 25 or 35 little antennas on top of that one mask antenna on top of the.
[01:08:43.890 --> 01:08:46.350] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, there aren't that many, there aren't that many.
[01:08:46.570 --> 01:08:49.190] [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, I mean, if you count, first of all, the stations are in different places.
[01:08:49.590 --> 01:08:52.230] [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, some stations have backup transmitters in different places.
[01:08:52.530 --> 01:08:59.810] [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, so they might have an antenna in two locations, but, uh, you know, it's about a dozen usually, maybe, maybe a little more, a little less.
[01:08:59.970 --> 01:09:01.130] [EVILCORLEY]: Most, most places are less.
[01:09:02.690 --> 01:09:08.350] [REBEL_RICH]: Oh, but like, how did, uh, so hot 97 has a little antenna on top of that thing on the embrace of it.
[01:09:08.470 --> 01:09:08.670] [REBEL_RICH]: Of course.
[01:09:08.950 --> 01:09:13.550] [REBEL_RICH]: WBAI had, or used to have one on there and C-100 used to have one on there.
[01:09:13.770 --> 01:09:14.030] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[01:09:14.090 --> 01:09:16.670] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, a four times square is much cheaper than the empire state building.
[01:09:17.230 --> 01:09:18.550] [EVILCORLEY]: It's also a little bit lower.
[01:09:18.550 --> 01:09:21.210] [EVILCORLEY]: So our signal suffered a slightly on that.
[01:09:21.370 --> 01:09:29.750] [EVILCORLEY]: But remember the, the, um, the world trade center bombing in the early nineties, uh, that knocked a lot of stations off the air, TV and radio.
[01:09:29.750 --> 01:09:31.610] [EVILCORLEY]: And that's how you learned who was on there.
[01:09:32.130 --> 01:09:32.690] [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, Rob, you have something?
[01:09:33.110 --> 01:09:39.230] [EVILCORLEY]: So, yeah, I'm just, hang on, hang on, Rob, but I, Rob say something then, then you can go ahead.
[01:09:39.810 --> 01:09:40.090] [ROBVINCENT]: Yeah.
[01:09:40.210 --> 01:09:52.830] [ROBVINCENT]: I, I encourage anyone who's curious to, uh, actually, if you look up some in some images online of the broadcast spire on top of buildings, like one world trade center or the empire state building or, uh, any, anything else where there are broadcast antennas,
[01:09:52.970 --> 01:09:56.290] [ROBVINCENT]: you know, what looks like one antenna sticking up into the sky from the ground.
[01:09:56.470 --> 01:10:01.710] [ROBVINCENT]: If, when you look up close, you will see so many little antennas and dishes and everything attached to it.
[01:10:01.810 --> 01:10:02.910] [ROBVINCENT]: And that's what's going on.
[01:10:03.050 --> 01:10:07.710] [ROBVINCENT]: It's one big structure, but there are lots of antennas on it and, uh, and it all, it all works.
[01:10:10.030 --> 01:10:11.790] [REBEL_RICH]: Oh, and they don't interfere with each other.
[01:10:11.930 --> 01:10:12.630] [REBEL_RICH]: Oh, that's interesting.
[01:10:12.750 --> 01:10:23.650] [REBEL_RICH]: That's just like having a CB antenna, like a CB radio and putting on top of the building, but each channel, like one through 40 would, you know what I mean?
[01:10:23.650 --> 01:10:30.030] [EVILCORLEY]: And there are TV channels up there too, you know, because TV, um, they, that's, that's how they, they transmit as well.
[01:10:30.130 --> 01:10:31.310] [KYLEDROSDK]: It's a distinct frequency.
[01:10:31.310 --> 01:10:45.070] [KYLEDROSDK]: So it's not going to interfere with FM and so forth and other microwave and transmission technologies are up there as well to either supplement or get information to the transmitter sites and, or do other things with telecommunications.
[01:10:45.070 --> 01:10:47.730] [KYLEDROSDK]: It's a really involved building.
[01:10:49.170 --> 01:10:51.210] [REBEL_RICH]: No, AM and, AM is different.
[01:10:51.430 --> 01:10:52.290] [REBEL_RICH]: Like, AM is different.
[01:10:52.470 --> 01:10:54.410] [REBEL_RICH]: Like, CBS, News Radio, Radio 88.
[01:10:54.610 --> 01:10:57.730] [EVILCORLEY]: They, they tend to have multiple, uh, multiple because it's directional.
[01:10:58.110 --> 01:11:00.730] [EVILCORLEY]: They have multiple towers usually in, in, in various places.
[01:11:00.990 --> 01:11:05.050] [EVILCORLEY]: A lot of them are in New Jersey and, uh, that's how you can tell AM stations.
[01:11:05.190 --> 01:11:07.050] [EVILCORLEY]: You'll see usually about three towers.
[01:11:07.890 --> 01:11:09.650] [EVILCORLEY]: Um, and, and shortwave is similar.
[01:11:10.650 --> 01:11:14.670] [REBEL_RICH]: Yeah, the radio station, AM, News Radio 88, I think it's in the Bronx.
[01:11:15.070 --> 01:11:15.330] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:11:15.770 --> 01:11:16.170] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[01:11:16.370 --> 01:11:22.350] [EVILCORLEY]: It requires more real estate to be able to, you know, have these different towers, but the signal travels in a completely different way.
[01:11:22.450 --> 01:11:28.950] [EVILCORLEY]: In fact, you know, at night you can, you can pick up AM stations from all around the country or at least, at least the Eastern half.
[01:11:29.090 --> 01:11:40.970] [EVILCORLEY]: And it's, it's great fun if you can do this, uh, if you get away from, from electrical interference and Internet interference too, because, um, uh, a lot of, uh, computers interfere with AM radio.
[01:11:40.970 --> 01:11:50.970] [EVILCORLEY]: But if you can get to a place where you can, you can scan the dial after dark, uh, just go slowly, go to, go to 780 AM and you'll hear WBBM out of Chicago.
[01:11:51.210 --> 01:11:58.210] [EVILCORLEY]: It's a news station, very similar to, uh, WCBS, but almost every single, um, uh, frequency has something.
[01:11:58.330 --> 01:11:59.330] [EVILCORLEY]: You'll hear stations from Canada.
[01:11:59.470 --> 01:12:00.890] [EVILCORLEY]: We heard Cuba the other night.
[01:12:00.890 --> 01:12:02.570] [KYLEDROSDK]: I was just going to recount the story.
[01:12:02.710 --> 01:12:12.210] [KYLEDROSDK]: I was so proud of myself because it, it was, uh, late, it was dark and, uh, I was a passenger and I was just kind of tuning, DXing a little, uh, rudimentary style.
[01:12:12.230 --> 01:12:13.250] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, it's called DXing.
[01:12:13.370 --> 01:12:13.530] [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah.
[01:12:13.630 --> 01:12:13.750] [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah.
[01:12:14.370 --> 01:12:18.110] [KYLEDROSDK]: As though I, uh, you know, have the skills, but I had fun.
[01:12:18.190 --> 01:12:22.310] [KYLEDROSDK]: I was just amusing myself and that came on this, uh, station.
[01:12:22.310 --> 01:12:24.690] [KYLEDROSDK]: And I thought that's gotta be Cuba.
[01:12:24.850 --> 01:12:30.010] [KYLEDROSDK]: Cause it, it sounded, uh, the language is a little bit, um, more distinct than something in Europe.
[01:12:30.130 --> 01:12:30.290] [EVILCORLEY]: Hold on a second.
[01:12:30.530 --> 01:12:32.090] [EVILCORLEY]: There are a lot of Spanish stations.
[01:12:32.550 --> 01:12:33.710] [EVILCORLEY]: What told you it was Cuba?
[01:12:34.190 --> 01:12:36.130] [KYLEDROSDK]: Well, it just, it was a couple of things.
[01:12:36.270 --> 01:12:41.850] [KYLEDROSDK]: It was proximity, like the likelihood that up North, uh, I would be able to pick up something.
[01:12:42.210 --> 01:12:48.250] [KYLEDROSDK]: It would probably be coming from, uh, the same kind of, uh, uh, longitude or something.
[01:12:48.290 --> 01:12:48.930] [KYLEDROSDK]: I don't know.
[01:12:49.130 --> 01:12:50.150] [EVILCORLEY]: It could have been New Jersey.
[01:12:50.350 --> 01:12:51.410] [EVILCORLEY]: It could have been, you know, a Spanish.
[01:12:51.550 --> 01:12:52.890] [EVILCORLEY]: I think it was distant.
[01:12:53.070 --> 01:12:54.770] [KYLEDROSDK]: No, it was the style of music.
[01:12:54.950 --> 01:12:55.250] [KYLEDROSDK]: There you go.
[01:12:55.330 --> 01:12:56.030] [KYLEDROSDK]: That's what it was.
[01:12:56.130 --> 01:12:56.210] [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah.
[01:12:56.210 --> 01:13:07.450] [KYLEDROSDK]: It was the, uh, the very, like, um, serious stern, kind of stirring, uh, it was, it was kind of like, um, yeah, it was, uh, you know, sort of middle of the road type music.
[01:13:07.610 --> 01:13:11.590] [EVILCORLEY]: And we looked up the station and they've been on for a long time and they're known for this sort of thing.
[01:13:12.170 --> 01:13:18.610] [EVILCORLEY]: And, uh, they, occasionally their signal just bounces through it, but you only hear these things if you take the time to just tune around.
[01:13:18.650 --> 01:13:22.610] [EVILCORLEY]: And, and sometimes you have to hear really lousy sounding radio for a while.
[01:13:22.610 --> 01:13:26.510] [EVILCORLEY]: I mean, signal quality, you have to be patient, but things do pop in.
[01:13:26.670 --> 01:13:33.390] [EVILCORLEY]: We, we listened, uh, you know, Grand Ole Opry out of Nashville when we were driving around and, um, you know, you can get that in New York.
[01:13:33.590 --> 01:13:41.330] [KYLEDROSDK]: Just that experience turned me on to that, uh, program, which is folksy and very, you know, quintessentially American.
[01:13:41.330 --> 01:13:48.390] [KYLEDROSDK]: And now I like sometimes seek it out just, just from, uh, the good experience of having found it on a road trip.
[01:13:48.390 --> 01:13:53.010] [EVILCORLEY]: So, and it's, it's, it's because of the way AM, uh, radio waves propagate at night.
[01:13:53.010 --> 01:14:00.670] [EVILCORLEY]: They bounce off the ionosphere and they, they, they come down in other parts of the country and you, you, you really hear all sorts of cool things.
[01:14:01.970 --> 01:14:02.410] [REBEL_RICH]: Right.
[01:14:02.410 --> 01:14:09.850] [REBEL_RICH]: In the car going down the road, like I'll be in Pennsylvania or Ohio or, you know, going in a car, going down the road.
[01:14:09.850 --> 01:14:19.630] [REBEL_RICH]: And I'll hear sometimes Chicago news radio, 88 or whatever, like you said, or New York, New York city, W, uh, CBS FM or AM.
[01:14:19.910 --> 01:14:29.370] [REBEL_RICH]: Uh, I mean, it'll, it won't work very far West, but you know, it'll, it'll, you know, and sometimes it won't work, you know, it'll come in and out sometimes.
[01:14:30.390 --> 01:14:33.190] [EVILCORLEY]: Or you'll hear something completely different and, uh, unexpected.
[01:14:33.190 --> 01:14:35.270] [EVILCORLEY]: So yeah, just, uh, experiment.
[01:14:35.530 --> 01:14:41.370] [EVILCORLEY]: You, you tend to get more on, on the lower part of the AM dial, but sometimes you, you get surprises on the upper part as well.
[01:14:42.750 --> 01:14:43.110] [REBEL_RICH]: Hmm.
[01:14:43.270 --> 01:14:46.610] [REBEL_RICH]: Are we going to have something at Hope about radios and like playing with radios?
[01:14:46.710 --> 01:14:46.930] [REBEL_RICH]: We can.
[01:14:47.070 --> 01:14:47.170] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[01:14:47.210 --> 01:14:51.090] [EVILCORLEY]: We, we definitely have a radio people that are coming and we, we do have a ham radio people.
[01:14:51.350 --> 01:14:54.510] [EVILCORLEY]: And, uh, I, I think we're going to have another ham radio station.
[01:14:54.650 --> 01:14:59.570] [EVILCORLEY]: And the thing is at St. John's, we're set up much better to have the space to do something really cool with that.
[01:14:59.710 --> 01:15:08.610] [EVILCORLEY]: So if there are people interested in that, that want to get, uh, want to become a part of that particular project, write to us, um, hope at hope.net is, is one address you can use.
[01:15:08.670 --> 01:15:13.230] [EVILCORLEY]: We'll just go to the hope.net website and email the particular department you're interested in, in being a part of.
[01:15:13.390 --> 01:15:13.790] [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah.
[01:15:13.890 --> 01:15:14.890] [KYLEDROSDK]: We're really interested.
[01:15:15.250 --> 01:15:17.190] [KYLEDROSDK]: We want to hear all the ideas people have.
[01:15:17.310 --> 01:15:32.290] [KYLEDROSDK]: And if you have a special considerations for something you're installing, chances are there's other hackers that are doing something like that and, uh, you know, uh, have a, a plan in place or, um, you know, we're already accommodating, uh, different projects and so forth.
[01:15:32.470 --> 01:15:39.170] [KYLEDROSDK]: So please send us, uh, your ideas and, uh, things that you want to, uh, embark on over, over the, uh, event.
[01:15:39.370 --> 01:15:40.830] [EVILCORLEY]: Alex looks like you have something to say.
[01:15:41.490 --> 01:15:42.050] [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead.
[01:15:43.090 --> 01:15:44.550] [REBEL_RICH]: Uh, no, I'm just...
[01:15:44.550 --> 01:15:47.230] [REBEL_RICH]: Maybe I should go on Skype because then they can tell whether I have...
[01:15:47.230 --> 01:15:52.170] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, Rebel, when you hear me say, Alex has something to say, that's the key that I'm going to be asking Alex to say something.
[01:15:52.370 --> 01:15:53.810] [EVILCORLEY]: So let Alex talk now.
[01:15:53.930 --> 01:15:54.150] [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead.
[01:15:54.330 --> 01:15:58.790] [ALEXURBELS]: Oh, I, uh, I, I defer, uh, or rather I, I yield my two minutes.
[01:15:58.790 --> 01:16:03.770] [EVILCORLEY]: No, no, don't, don't be, don't be shamed just because, you know, whatever you have to say, it's not silly.
[01:16:03.950 --> 01:16:05.510] [EVILCORLEY]: It's not something we'll laugh at.
[01:16:05.950 --> 01:16:10.250] [ALEXURBELS]: Well, I'm happy to, to, to yield my time to the, to the gentleman in the chemical bank lobby.
[01:16:10.570 --> 01:16:10.970] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:16:11.010 --> 01:16:13.690] [EVILCORLEY]: He's no gentleman and, uh, we don't yield here.
[01:16:14.450 --> 01:16:15.050] [ALEXURBELS]: That's right.
[01:16:15.690 --> 01:16:17.150] [ALEXURBELS]: Um, no, I'm, I'm always...
[01:16:18.130 --> 01:16:19.170] [EVILCORLEY]: Again, Rebel, really?
[01:16:21.050 --> 01:16:25.530] [EVILCORLEY]: You know what a conversation is where one person talks and another person listens just for a minute, you know?
[01:16:25.530 --> 01:16:27.270] [EVILCORLEY]: No, right now, this is Alex's time.
[01:16:27.450 --> 01:16:28.470] [EVILCORLEY]: He's waited for this time.
[01:16:28.610 --> 01:16:33.850] [EVILCORLEY]: He's waited so patiently and, and, and you're, you're scaring him into, into, uh, yielding his time.
[01:16:34.130 --> 01:16:35.250] [EVILCORLEY]: We don't, we don't want that.
[01:16:35.330 --> 01:16:36.690] [EVILCORLEY]: We want people to be expressive.
[01:16:36.970 --> 01:16:37.590] [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead, Alex.
[01:16:38.110 --> 01:16:46.410] [ALEXURBELS]: Well, I, I, uh, I, I often travel with a, uh, a portable shortwave radio just to, just to pick up things.
[01:16:46.490 --> 01:16:49.350] [ALEXURBELS]: You know, when you're in Europe, you're going to be listening to other things with your nation.
[01:16:49.510 --> 01:16:50.650] [ALEXURBELS]: You're going to be picking up other things.
[01:16:50.790 --> 01:16:53.870] [ALEXURBELS]: It's kind of fascinating to me what you can pick up in other parts of the world.
[01:16:54.470 --> 01:16:55.850] [ALEXURBELS]: And, and I remember it.
[01:16:55.890 --> 01:17:03.550] [ALEXURBELS]: I think this is probably, you know, maybe a little, uh, personal for you, but I remember a long time ago, Emmanuel, when you had a shortwave radio in your car.
[01:17:03.650 --> 01:17:04.030] [EVILCORLEY]: I did.
[01:17:04.170 --> 01:17:05.310] [EVILCORLEY]: I did have a shortwave radio.
[01:17:05.490 --> 01:17:09.870] [EVILCORLEY]: It didn't do me a whole lot of good because the car itself interfered with the shortwave radio.
[01:17:10.650 --> 01:17:15.590] [EVILCORLEY]: So, so whenever I was in the car with the car on, I'd get a buzz over.
[01:17:15.850 --> 01:17:18.310] [EVILCORLEY]: It wasn't the wisest purchase ever.
[01:17:18.570 --> 01:17:25.150] [EVILCORLEY]: If, if I, if I turned the car off and just sat in a car that wasn't doing anything, I could listen to shortwave, but I could do that in my house.
[01:17:26.030 --> 01:17:26.730] [ALEXURBELS]: That's true.
[01:17:26.950 --> 01:17:27.130] [ALEXURBELS]: Right.
[01:17:27.370 --> 01:17:29.490] [ALEXURBELS]: I didn't realize that there was interference from the car.
[01:17:29.830 --> 01:17:32.510] [ALEXURBELS]: Didn't you have to order that from some middle Eastern country?
[01:17:32.770 --> 01:17:33.630] [EVILCORLEY]: United Arab Emirates.
[01:17:33.630 --> 01:17:38.370] [EVILCORLEY]: It's, yeah, it's, well, it's one of a string of bad decisions I've made.
[01:17:39.110 --> 01:17:40.170] [ALEXURBELS]: Well, there you have.
[01:17:40.350 --> 01:17:46.810] [EVILCORLEY]: But, you know, uh, the smart car, which was, um, uh, imported from Europe, um, that has a longwave radio inside it.
[01:17:46.870 --> 01:17:47.590] [KYLEDROSDK]: I thought it was mediumwave.
[01:17:47.710 --> 01:17:49.390] [EVILCORLEY]: No, well, mediumwave is AM.
[01:17:49.550 --> 01:17:54.710] [EVILCORLEY]: It's no way of saying AM, but longwave is the frequency below mediumwave, below AM.
[01:17:54.950 --> 01:18:01.250] [EVILCORLEY]: And that's used in Europe for, um, uh, for, um, long distances differently than, than shortwave.
[01:18:01.250 --> 01:18:03.910] [EVILCORLEY]: It doesn't quite, uh, fade in the same, same way.
[01:18:04.110 --> 01:18:08.170] [EVILCORLEY]: Thing is, there's no longwave stations anywhere around here, so I can't really experiment with it.
[01:18:08.510 --> 01:18:12.410] [EVILCORLEY]: But if I'm ever in Europe driving a rental car that has a longwave radio, I intend to.
[01:18:14.370 --> 01:18:14.770] [ALEXURBELS]: Fascinating.
[01:18:14.990 --> 01:18:15.170] [EVILCORLEY]: Yes.
[01:18:15.890 --> 01:18:16.650] [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, Rebel, anything else?
[01:18:16.710 --> 01:18:19.590] [EVILCORLEY]: Because we're going to, uh, give out the phone number now and, uh, take a call.
[01:18:20.990 --> 01:18:22.250] [REBEL_RICH]: Um, let's see.
[01:18:22.770 --> 01:18:28.390] [REBEL_RICH]: Um, I guess I'll be, um, I'm going to be bringing, I think I'll bring something to Hope.
[01:18:28.390 --> 01:18:29.950] [REBEL_RICH]: You know, like, something.
[01:18:31.610 --> 01:18:32.050] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:18:33.570 --> 01:18:34.690] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, I hope you do.
[01:18:35.150 --> 01:18:36.290] [REBEL_RICH]: Um, yep.
[01:18:36.750 --> 01:18:38.390] [REBEL_RICH]: Um, what else?
[01:18:38.630 --> 01:18:39.790] [REBEL_RICH]: Shall I say what I'll bring?
[01:18:40.150 --> 01:18:41.030] [REBEL_RICH]: Sure, go ahead.
[01:18:41.150 --> 01:18:42.030] [REBEL_RICH]: We have no secrets here.
[01:18:42.750 --> 01:18:43.830] [REBEL_RICH]: A cup telephone.
[01:18:44.590 --> 01:18:45.750] [EVILCORLEY]: A cup telephone?
[01:18:47.630 --> 01:18:50.310] [EVILCORLEY]: You mean a, um, a candlestick phone?
[01:18:50.390 --> 01:18:50.830] [EVILCORLEY]: Is that what you mean?
[01:18:51.630 --> 01:18:51.890] [REBEL_RICH]: No.
[01:18:52.490 --> 01:18:53.110] [REBEL_RICH]: A candlestick?
[01:18:53.210 --> 01:18:53.970] [REBEL_RICH]: I would have, no.
[01:18:54.230 --> 01:18:56.490] [EVILCORLEY]: Are you talking about a phone from the 1920s?
[01:18:56.490 --> 01:18:57.330] [EVILCORLEY]: Like a coupler?
[01:18:57.610 --> 01:18:59.210] [REBEL_RICH]: No, a cup telephone.
[01:19:00.030 --> 01:19:01.330] [REBEL_RICH]: Two quality cups.
[01:19:01.570 --> 01:19:03.110] [REBEL_RICH]: Paper cups, not wax cups.
[01:19:03.390 --> 01:19:03.650] [REBEL_RICH]: Oh.
[01:19:03.790 --> 01:19:04.710] [REBEL_RICH]: Quality string.
[01:19:05.750 --> 01:19:08.470] [EVILCORLEY]: You're going to bring a couple of Dixie cups with string attached to them?
[01:19:08.490 --> 01:19:09.170] [EVILCORLEY]: That's what you're going to bring?
[01:19:09.270 --> 01:19:11.390] [REBEL_RICH]: Uh, it's going to be imported, so...
[01:19:11.390 --> 01:19:12.710] [EVILCORLEY]: Imported from where?
[01:19:12.950 --> 01:19:13.390] [EVILCORLEY]: Jersey?
[01:19:14.530 --> 01:19:14.970] [REBEL_RICH]: Europe.
[01:19:16.010 --> 01:19:16.290] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:19:16.530 --> 01:19:16.830] [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[01:19:16.910 --> 01:19:17.310] [EVILCORLEY]: You know what?
[01:19:17.410 --> 01:19:18.490] [EVILCORLEY]: I'm going to reserve judgment.
[01:19:19.630 --> 01:19:21.530] [KYLEDROSDK]: That would be a fun competition.
[01:19:21.670 --> 01:19:22.330] [EVILCORLEY]: If we had...
[01:19:22.330 --> 01:19:24.270] [EVILCORLEY]: I will be judging, but I'll reserve judgment.
[01:19:24.270 --> 01:19:30.890] [KYLEDROSDK]: If we had the space, we do longest coffee can or tin can phone.
[01:19:31.110 --> 01:19:32.070] [EVILCORLEY]: We have the space.
[01:19:32.190 --> 01:19:32.630] [EVILCORLEY]: Can you imagine?
[01:19:32.710 --> 01:19:33.850] [EVILCORLEY]: We could have him...
[01:19:33.850 --> 01:19:36.310] [EVILCORLEY]: We could make a five-mile connection if you want.
[01:19:36.490 --> 01:19:38.030] [EVILCORLEY]: I mean, you know, it's not like...
[01:19:38.030 --> 01:19:38.930] [REBEL_RICH]: Tin cans don't work.
[01:19:39.010 --> 01:19:41.390] [REBEL_RICH]: It has to be paper cups, not wax cups.
[01:19:41.570 --> 01:19:44.290] [REBEL_RICH]: And the string has to be like a certain, like...
[01:19:44.290 --> 01:19:44.830] [REBEL_RICH]: Diameter?
[01:19:45.010 --> 01:19:45.370] [REBEL_RICH]: Like thinness.
[01:19:45.630 --> 01:19:45.810] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:19:45.870 --> 01:19:46.070] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:19:46.150 --> 01:19:46.650] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, you know what?
[01:19:46.790 --> 01:19:47.930] [EVILCORLEY]: Think length.
[01:19:48.230 --> 01:19:48.990] [EVILCORLEY]: Think how...
[01:19:48.990 --> 01:19:50.050] [EVILCORLEY]: Let's make this dramatic.
[01:19:50.350 --> 01:19:51.890] [REBEL_RICH]: Oh, probably 100 feet.
[01:19:52.570 --> 01:19:55.190] [EVILCORLEY]: How about 10,000 feet?
[01:19:56.230 --> 01:19:57.470] [REBEL_RICH]: I don't know if that would work.
[01:19:57.570 --> 01:20:01.410] [REBEL_RICH]: Because you've got to hold the string tight, and it has to be straight.
[01:20:01.550 --> 01:20:02.610] [REBEL_RICH]: Like, you know what I mean?
[01:20:02.790 --> 01:20:06.730] [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah, you have like tension every so...
[01:20:06.730 --> 01:20:10.850] [KYLEDROSDK]: Every couple hundred meters, you have tension and...
[01:20:10.850 --> 01:20:11.830] [SPEAKER_11]: Huge amounts of space.
[01:20:11.950 --> 01:20:12.470] [SPEAKER_11]: We could do that.
[01:20:12.670 --> 01:20:13.370] [KYLEDROSDK]: Transfer points and then...
[01:20:13.370 --> 01:20:14.470] [SPEAKER_11]: Like a repeater?
[01:20:14.470 --> 01:20:19.790] [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah, and then we need a switch, a string switch, to connect calls.
[01:20:20.410 --> 01:20:21.790] [EVILCORLEY]: I'm just saying, think big.
[01:20:22.130 --> 01:20:23.670] [EVILCORLEY]: Think big, you won't be disappointed.
[01:20:26.150 --> 01:20:27.790] [KYLEDROSDK]: Yes, multiplexing with twine.
[01:20:28.170 --> 01:20:30.770] [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, you know, it's a start.
[01:20:31.530 --> 01:20:33.230] [EVILCORLEY]: Rebel, a pleasure as always.
[01:20:33.490 --> 01:20:34.710] [EVILCORLEY]: We'll talk to you next time.
[01:20:35.730 --> 01:20:36.270] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:20:36.550 --> 01:20:36.810] [EVILCORLEY]: Take care.
[01:20:37.010 --> 01:20:37.630] [EVILCORLEY]: Two weeks.
[01:20:37.970 --> 01:20:38.870] [EVILCORLEY]: In two weeks, yes.
[01:20:39.870 --> 01:20:40.950] [EVILCORLEY]: Mark his calendar.
[01:20:40.950 --> 01:20:52.550] [EVILCORLEY]: Now, Alex, either you hurt your finger, or you have something to say, but before you do, I'm giving out the phone number, 802-321-4225, 802-321-HACK.
[01:20:52.710 --> 01:20:55.790] [EVILCORLEY]: We talked about giving out the phone number, and then we didn't give it out.
[01:20:55.970 --> 01:20:57.030] [EVILCORLEY]: That's how bad we are.
[01:20:57.130 --> 01:20:58.970] [KYLEDROSDK]: We're going to interrupt it with a call in our own...
[01:20:58.970 --> 01:21:00.230] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, but we never gave out the phone number.
[01:21:00.550 --> 01:21:02.250] [EVILCORLEY]: This is the first time I did it, right now.
[01:21:02.250 --> 01:21:03.930] [KYLEDROSDK]: Too much of listening to our own damn voices.
[01:21:03.930 --> 01:21:07.670] [EVILCORLEY]: The space station is coming, and we have yet to give out the phone number.
[01:21:07.730 --> 01:21:08.190] [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead, Alex.
[01:21:09.230 --> 01:21:13.430] [ALEXURBELS]: I just wanted to say, for the record, there is a Jersey in Europe.
[01:21:14.590 --> 01:21:16.730] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, there's a Jersey off the coast of England, right?
[01:21:16.750 --> 01:21:18.070] [ALEXURBELS]: There's a New York in Ukraine.
[01:21:18.230 --> 01:21:18.650] [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah, that's right.
[01:21:18.810 --> 01:21:21.910] [ALEXURBELS]: It's like off the coast of northwest France.
[01:21:22.250 --> 01:21:22.990] [EVILCORLEY]: Something like that.
[01:21:23.050 --> 01:21:23.890] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, but Kyle's right.
[01:21:23.930 --> 01:21:30.010] [EVILCORLEY]: There is a New York in Ukraine, but I'm not sure how legal that is, if they just named it recently.
[01:21:30.270 --> 01:21:39.890] [KYLEDROSDK]: Well, when there's news from this New York, for a second, it always catches me, and then I realize it's the other New York, the other, other New York.
[01:21:39.950 --> 01:21:47.370] [EVILCORLEY]: I've been to hell in Norway, and that was, you know, a fun place to be.
[01:21:49.070 --> 01:21:49.890] [EVILCORLEY]: Do you have a phone call?
[01:21:50.090 --> 01:21:51.370] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, let's take this phone call.
[01:21:51.570 --> 01:21:52.290] [EVILCORLEY]: And good evening.
[01:21:52.290 --> 01:21:53.770] [EVILCORLEY]: You're on Off The Hook Overtime.
[01:21:53.830 --> 01:21:54.050] [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead.
[01:21:55.250 --> 01:21:55.650] [SPEAKER_02]: Hi.
[01:21:56.030 --> 01:21:56.730] [EVILCORLEY]: Hi, what's up?
[01:21:59.110 --> 01:22:03.590] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a video that's three minutes on YouTube called Elon Musk: "Delete your social media now."
[01:22:07.790 --> 01:22:08.170] [SPEAKER_11]: Oh, wow.
[01:22:08.370 --> 01:22:08.590] [SPEAKER_11]: Okay.
[01:22:09.130 --> 01:22:10.050] [SPEAKER_02]: Here's why.
[01:22:10.330 --> 01:22:11.570] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a month old.
[01:22:11.950 --> 01:22:14.730] [SPEAKER_02]: Last week, it only had 32 views.
[01:22:14.990 --> 01:22:15.410] [SPEAKER_09]: Uh-huh.
[01:22:16.430 --> 01:22:21.050] [SPEAKER_02]: Today, it has like a million six hundred thousand or something.
[01:22:21.190 --> 01:22:25.030] [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, I'm not going to say what it is, because I want people to watch it.
[01:22:25.030 --> 01:22:29.290] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, so, Elon Musk, delete your social media, is that what it was?
[01:22:30.150 --> 01:22:34.990] [SPEAKER_02]: Elon Musk, colon, open quote, delete your social media now.
[01:22:35.870 --> 01:22:38.850] [SPEAKER_02]: And, um, it's him.
[01:22:38.950 --> 01:22:41.450] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a clip of him, I think, on Joe Rogan.
[01:22:41.970 --> 01:22:42.630] [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, boy.
[01:22:42.690 --> 01:22:43.830] [EVILCORLEY]: That can never end well.
[01:22:45.910 --> 01:23:00.590] [SPEAKER_02]: And, um, just a side note, Scotty Kilmer is this YouTube guy who talks about car stuff, and he has these really funny little, um, pictures that will show up in the top right corner, and today, there was like a, he was talking about electric cars or whatever,
[01:23:00.770 --> 01:23:12.250] [SPEAKER_02]: and, um, Elon, a picture of Elon Musk slashed on the screen, and it might have been from the same, um, video, because he's wearing an Occupy shirt, but he's smoking a big spliff.
[01:23:12.250 --> 01:23:18.070] [SPEAKER_02]: So, I have no idea, in this entire Joe Rogan video, if he's, like, smoking.
[01:23:18.350 --> 01:23:18.510] [SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[01:23:18.530 --> 01:23:19.290] [SPEAKER_02]: But that would be something.
[01:23:20.350 --> 01:23:20.710] [EVILCORLEY]: Interesting.
[01:23:21.090 --> 01:23:22.490] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, we have to see this video.
[01:23:22.650 --> 01:23:27.090] [EVILCORLEY]: We'll see it right after the show, but, uh, I wonder why it got so many views so quickly.
[01:23:28.250 --> 01:23:28.930] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[01:23:29.090 --> 01:23:32.270] [SPEAKER_02]: I, this is the first time I've let anybody know about it, actually.
[01:23:32.270 --> 01:23:33.790] [SPEAKER_02]: I tried to call last week, but...
[01:23:33.790 --> 01:23:34.470] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, how did you find out about it?
[01:23:34.470 --> 01:23:36.310] [SPEAKER_02]: It only had 32 views, but, huh?
[01:23:36.310 --> 01:23:37.490] [EVILCORLEY]: How did you find out about it?
[01:23:38.590 --> 01:23:41.190] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, my algorithm showed it to me, probably.
[01:23:41.470 --> 01:23:41.730] [EVILCORLEY]: Oh.
[01:23:42.210 --> 01:23:42.550] [SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[01:23:42.790 --> 01:23:43.990] [KYLEDROSDK]: That's the first time I've heard that answer.
[01:23:44.330 --> 01:23:45.370] [KYLEDROSDK]: That's a good answer.
[01:23:45.570 --> 01:23:46.450] [KYLEDROSDK]: That's a good answer.
[01:23:46.570 --> 01:23:49.030] [KYLEDROSDK]: The first time I've heard someone say it so, so plainly.
[01:23:49.070 --> 01:23:50.430] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, my algorithm did it.
[01:23:50.470 --> 01:23:50.870] [EVILCORLEY]: That's great.
[01:23:51.610 --> 01:23:53.170] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, my own personal algorithm.
[01:23:53.450 --> 01:24:09.310] [SPEAKER_02]: As a matter of fact, there's a Saturday Night Live, um, yeah, I totally did not look it up at all, so, um, there's a Saturday Night Live, um, skit from two weeks ago that, um, it has a person that is an algorithm, and it's really funny, and you, you, I would not know at all which skin it is.
[01:24:09.430 --> 01:24:10.930] [SPEAKER_02]: So you could also look at that on YouTube.
[01:24:10.930 --> 01:24:14.090] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's something with the word food in it.
[01:24:14.230 --> 01:24:16.910] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like this weird song that these two dudes are doing.
[01:24:17.050 --> 01:24:22.310] [SPEAKER_02]: But then this person, I'm not even going to say, what, you know, this person shows up.
[01:24:22.890 --> 01:24:24.770] [SPEAKER_02]: And they're like, I'm your algorithm.
[01:24:25.130 --> 01:24:26.070] [SPEAKER_02]: It's really good.
[01:24:26.390 --> 01:24:26.670] [SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[01:24:26.670 --> 01:24:35.950] [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, so if anybody wants to know what their algorithm looks like, then they can, you know, personify it or humanize it or whatever, which is completely ridiculous.
[01:24:35.950 --> 01:24:48.390] [SPEAKER_02]: But the last thing I just wanted to say really quick is, I don't know if this is pushing it or whatever, but the Women's March was not covered because of a mass shooting.
[01:24:48.390 --> 01:24:55.130] [SPEAKER_02]: And I heard that there were 292 mass shootings just this year.
[01:24:55.270 --> 01:25:02.670] [SPEAKER_02]: But then I looked it up and found that there were only 198 mass shootings in the United States so far this year.
[01:25:02.670 --> 01:25:07.550] [SPEAKER_02]: Even Fox News reported 33 mass shootings just this month.
[01:25:07.870 --> 01:25:24.670] [SPEAKER_02]: So it sounds really cold and impersonal, but anytime the media does not want to cover any issue, now mass shootings are so every day that they can just choose the mass shooting of the day to cover instead.
[01:25:25.090 --> 01:25:25.430] [EVILCORLEY]: Wow.
[01:25:25.850 --> 01:25:26.330] [EVILCORLEY]: Fair point.
[01:25:26.450 --> 01:25:28.930] [EVILCORLEY]: It sounds cynical, but it's probably true.
[01:25:29.410 --> 01:25:31.330] [EVILCORLEY]: The thing is, there are so many channels.
[01:25:31.530 --> 01:25:34.030] [EVILCORLEY]: You could have a mass shooting channel if you want.
[01:25:34.230 --> 01:25:38.270] [EVILCORLEY]: You could also have a channel that covers marches and demonstrations and things like that.
[01:25:39.510 --> 01:25:40.190] [SPEAKER_02]: Good point.
[01:25:40.470 --> 01:25:43.130] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, I'm not sure that's the best selling point, but...
[01:25:43.130 --> 01:25:47.370] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, much love to the folks in Buffalo and to all the ladies this weekend.
[01:25:47.750 --> 01:25:48.770] [EVILCORLEY]: Yes, definitely.
[01:25:49.210 --> 01:25:49.930] [SPEAKER_02]: All right, bye guys.
[01:25:50.070 --> 01:25:50.750] [EVILCORLEY]: Thanks so much for sharing.
[01:25:50.870 --> 01:25:51.130] [EVILCORLEY]: Take care.
[01:25:51.130 --> 01:26:10.910] [KYLEDROSDK]: These media things, I was going to say, are great tools to at least share information, characterize some of the problems, and make it approachable instead of dry and maybe hard for people to pique people's interest or get people's support behind...
[01:26:10.910 --> 01:26:12.410] [KYLEDROSDK]: I have another call.
[01:26:14.270 --> 01:26:16.110] [KYLEDROSDK]: Actually, no, I think it dropped.
[01:26:16.450 --> 01:26:16.610] [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, it did.
[01:26:16.690 --> 01:26:16.830] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:26:17.690 --> 01:26:18.870] [KYLEDROSDK]: Please call back.
[01:26:19.110 --> 01:26:19.470] [KYLEDROSDK]: I'm sorry.
[01:26:20.730 --> 01:26:21.510] [EVILCORLEY]: Sometimes that happens.
[01:26:21.950 --> 01:26:22.290] [EVILCORLEY]: I was talking.
[01:26:22.290 --> 01:26:23.170] [EVILCORLEY]: Sometimes you had too many jobs.
[01:26:23.170 --> 01:26:24.710] [KYLEDROSDK]: I'll just monitor things over here.
[01:26:24.830 --> 01:26:26.250] [KYLEDROSDK]: You all talk amongst yourselves.
[01:26:26.270 --> 01:26:29.270] [EVILCORLEY]: Our phone number, 802-321-4225.
[01:26:29.570 --> 01:26:31.010] [EVILCORLEY]: 802-321-HACK.
[01:26:32.270 --> 01:26:34.610] [EVILCORLEY]: And I think a call is coming in.
[01:26:39.830 --> 01:26:40.730] [EVILCORLEY]: Is it...
[01:26:41.410 --> 01:26:42.130] [EVILCORLEY]: Is it working?
[01:26:42.350 --> 01:26:42.810] [EVILCORLEY]: What's going on?
[01:26:44.670 --> 01:26:47.670] [KYLEDROSDK]: This person, I think we may have heard from earlier.
[01:26:47.970 --> 01:26:48.590] [EVILCORLEY]: Is that Rebel again?
[01:26:49.190 --> 01:26:53.790] [KYLEDROSDK]: I wasn't going to say that, but I'm not sure if this is a new call.
[01:26:53.890 --> 01:26:53.910] [KYLEDROSDK]: Pick up.
[01:26:53.910 --> 01:26:54.410] [EVILCORLEY]: Just pick up.
[01:26:54.710 --> 01:26:55.090] [KYLEDROSDK]: All right.
[01:26:55.490 --> 01:26:56.130] [KYLEDROSDK]: Good evening.
[01:26:56.310 --> 01:26:57.310] [EVILCORLEY]: You're on Off The Hook Overtime.
[01:26:57.370 --> 01:26:57.550] [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead.
[01:26:58.610 --> 01:26:59.390] [REBEL_RICH]: Yeah, that's the thing.
[01:26:59.550 --> 01:26:59.910] [REBEL_RICH]: Rebel...
[01:26:59.910 --> 01:27:00.930] [REBEL_RICH]: I want to mention that last call.
[01:27:00.950 --> 01:27:04.050] [EVILCORLEY]: Rebel, don't make us block you because we can do that.
[01:27:04.170 --> 01:27:05.050] [EVILCORLEY]: You know, we can do that.
[01:27:05.190 --> 01:27:11.070] [EVILCORLEY]: And we can make sure that your calls get transferred into the outer space where the space shuttle is, space station.
[01:27:11.170 --> 01:27:12.690] [KYLEDROSDK]: Let him at least share what he had to say.
[01:27:12.690 --> 01:27:14.670] [EVILCORLEY]: You have two sentences, and then that's it.
[01:27:14.870 --> 01:27:15.310] [REBEL_RICH]: Okay, yes.
[01:27:15.310 --> 01:27:17.670] [REBEL_RICH]: But companies are buying things like Google.
[01:27:17.690 --> 01:27:18.870] [REBEL_RICH]: It's a search engine.
[01:27:19.070 --> 01:27:23.610] [REBEL_RICH]: Why is it buying a doorbell company, Ring Doorbell?
[01:27:23.730 --> 01:27:24.830] [REBEL_RICH]: It's not Google Ring Doorbell.
[01:27:24.930 --> 01:27:28.370] [EVILCORLEY]: Because Google is a very curious company.
[01:27:28.370 --> 01:27:29.350] [EVILCORLEY]: They want to know things.
[01:27:29.450 --> 01:27:32.290] [EVILCORLEY]: They want to know all about you, all about the things around us.
[01:27:32.590 --> 01:27:34.570] [EVILCORLEY]: They keep buying things so they can learn more.
[01:27:35.050 --> 01:27:36.190] [SPEAKER_12]: They haven't been told no.
[01:27:36.610 --> 01:27:37.910] [REBEL_RICH]: Why don't you want them to learn?
[01:27:37.910 --> 01:27:41.630] [EVILCORLEY]: Why don't you want Google to learn, you know, as much as they possibly can?
[01:27:41.650 --> 01:27:43.090] [REBEL_RICH]: Okay, so then why is a car company buying Twitter?
[01:27:43.350 --> 01:27:45.830] [REBEL_RICH]: Why is a car company buying a social media company?
[01:27:45.870 --> 01:27:47.410] [REBEL_RICH]: So that you can tweet while you drive.
[01:27:47.410 --> 01:27:48.050] [EVILCORLEY]: I don't know.
[01:27:49.130 --> 01:27:50.550] [EVILCORLEY]: There's all sorts of...
[01:27:50.550 --> 01:27:52.570] [EVILCORLEY]: But yeah, your point is taken.
[01:27:52.690 --> 01:27:53.590] [EVILCORLEY]: It's insane.
[01:27:53.790 --> 01:27:55.790] [KYLEDROSDK]: They're all trying to own the future Rebel, okay?
[01:27:56.130 --> 01:27:56.410] [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah.
[01:27:56.650 --> 01:27:58.550] [KYLEDROSDK]: And it's foolish and hilarious.
[01:27:58.950 --> 01:27:59.730] [KYLEDROSDK]: Enjoy the show.
[01:27:59.850 --> 01:28:02.170] [EVILCORLEY]: As the information operator would say, disconnecting now.
[01:28:02.390 --> 01:28:02.930] [EVILCORLEY]: Thank you.
[01:28:07.910 --> 01:28:09.010] [EVILCORLEY]: is our phone number.
[01:28:09.570 --> 01:28:13.310] [EVILCORLEY]: Folks in Skype-land, take the floor for a little bit.
[01:28:18.980 --> 01:28:24.420] [GILADRAZEN]: We were having a discussion earlier about the Texas law.
[01:28:24.420 --> 01:28:27.200] [GILADRAZEN]: If we can go back to Buffalo for a second.
[01:28:27.960 --> 01:28:29.300] [GILADRAZEN]: The Texas law.
[01:28:30.120 --> 01:28:43.660] [GILADRAZEN]: And reading a post on Tech Dirt from Monday about whether Twitch and Discord would have violated the new Texas law by taking down the shooting.
[01:28:44.460 --> 01:28:45.060] [SPEAKER_08]: Wow.
[01:28:45.760 --> 01:28:46.320] [GILADRAZEN]: Right?
[01:28:47.080 --> 01:28:53.420] [GILADRAZEN]: Because the way that the law is written, yeah, it appears that that is exactly what has happened.
[01:28:53.760 --> 01:28:58.340] [GILADRAZEN]: Because you can say, oh, someone is live streaming a mass shooting.
[01:28:59.320 --> 01:29:00.820] [GILADRAZEN]: That shouldn't be allowed.
[01:29:01.040 --> 01:29:08.860] [GILADRAZEN]: But according to the Texas law, where you're not allowed to remove content based on viewpoint, it's open season.
[01:29:10.060 --> 01:29:16.400] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, but, I mean, do they have any provision for illegal activities?
[01:29:16.880 --> 01:29:19.220] [GILADRAZEN]: Let's go to the favor of, you know...
[01:29:19.220 --> 01:29:19.960] [GILADRAZEN]: It's about to get better.
[01:29:20.300 --> 01:29:20.500] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:29:20.740 --> 01:29:24.340] [GILADRAZEN]: There was a proposed amendment, right?
[01:29:24.580 --> 01:29:24.820] [EVILCORLEY]: Uh-huh.
[01:29:25.020 --> 01:29:30.720] [GILADRAZEN]: This, including, they wanted to put in, I'm reading the actual amendment or a screenshot of the amendment.
[01:29:31.380 --> 01:29:40.500] [GILADRAZEN]: In Section 6 of the bill, adding directly or indirectly promotes or supports any international or domestic terrorist group or any international or domestic terrorist acts.
[01:29:40.820 --> 01:29:42.360] [GILADRAZEN]: And it was voted down.
[01:29:43.020 --> 01:29:44.620] [GILADRAZEN]: How do you vote that down?
[01:29:45.520 --> 01:29:46.840] [GILADRAZEN]: Who votes that down?
[01:29:47.360 --> 01:29:51.140] [GILADRAZEN]: Apparently, the Texas legislature was really angry at Facebook.
[01:29:52.100 --> 01:29:54.520] [GILADRAZEN]: And they didn't care what happened.
[01:29:54.840 --> 01:29:56.080] [EVILCORLEY]: That's how good legislation is written.
[01:29:56.360 --> 01:30:00.100] [EVILCORLEY]: Alex, I'm sure you have a view on this as a legal person.
[01:30:01.900 --> 01:30:03.740] [ALEXURBELS]: I think it's just crazy.
[01:30:04.180 --> 01:30:13.480] [ALEXURBELS]: And again, it goes back to the issue that we had addressed last week, which is that I think these laws are not really designed to be laws by these legislators.
[01:30:13.480 --> 01:30:16.340] [ALEXURBELS]: They're not designed to withhold judicial scrutiny.
[01:30:16.520 --> 01:30:25.520] [ALEXURBELS]: They're not designed to survive the constitutional test of strict scrutiny when you're dealing with a fundamental right like free speech.
[01:30:25.520 --> 01:30:27.480] [ALEXURBELS]: They are performance.
[01:30:27.820 --> 01:30:28.800] [ALEXURBELS]: They're performance-based.
[01:30:29.000 --> 01:30:34.000] [ALEXURBELS]: They're designed to be on the books or maybe not even make it onto the books.
[01:30:34.140 --> 01:30:49.300] [ALEXURBELS]: They're designed to have certain politicians associated with them during the drafting, the passage, and the announcement or pronouncement of whatever idiotic law of the week it is that's infringing on fundamental freedoms.
[01:30:49.300 --> 01:30:55.180] [ALEXURBELS]: And they are... they're going to be struck down.
[01:30:55.400 --> 01:30:56.720] [ALEXURBELS]: They're certainly going to be struck down.
[01:30:56.860 --> 01:31:02.800] [ALEXURBELS]: But they serve a useful purpose for these people because they are energizing their base.
[01:31:02.980 --> 01:31:11.380] [ALEXURBELS]: And I think since the days of the Republicans blocking Merrick Garland from his appointment to the U.S.
[01:31:11.480 --> 01:31:16.500] [ALEXURBELS]: Supreme Court, the Republicans have realized that it doesn't matter how outrageous you are.
[01:31:16.500 --> 01:31:19.920] [ALEXURBELS]: It's just about energizing the base ahead of an election.
[01:31:20.140 --> 01:31:32.140] [ALEXURBELS]: We've got a really important midterm election coming up, so I'm not surprised at all that we see a lot of these idiotic performance-based laws that are nowhere even resembling something like constitutional.
[01:31:32.820 --> 01:31:34.020] [ALEXURBELS]: And they'll be struck down.
[01:31:35.000 --> 01:31:40.340] [ROBVINCENT]: Yeah, and the grandstanding on this is not just being done by these Texas politicians.
[01:31:40.640 --> 01:31:50.860] [ROBVINCENT]: Our own governor, Kathy Hochul, is quoted in this TechDirt article saying that Twitch should be held liable for not taking down the video fast enough.
[01:31:51.040 --> 01:32:03.880] [ROBVINCENT]: She said, the fact that this act of barbarism, this execution of innocent human beings, could be live-streamed on social media platforms and not taken down within a second, says to me that there's a responsibility out there to ensure that such hate can outpopulate these sites.
[01:32:04.720 --> 01:32:14.320] [ROBVINCENT]: So, like, anyone thinking about this for a moment would come to the reasonable conclusion that it's impossible to see something streaming and take it down within a second.
[01:32:14.520 --> 01:32:18.460] [ROBVINCENT]: Within a second, judge that this is something terrible and it shouldn't be put out over the site.
[01:32:18.460 --> 01:32:29.500] [ROBVINCENT]: But, you know, she can say this and it can rile up people and, you know, achieve whatever political point scoring needs to be done without being any kind of reasonable way to enforce or apply the law.
[01:32:29.580 --> 01:32:39.520] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, but I think we're over, you know, being too literal here because, you know, obviously it's not going to be in a second, but, you know, it's an emotional reaction saying this never should have happened.
[01:32:39.620 --> 01:32:40.400] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, it did happen.
[01:32:40.540 --> 01:32:42.140] [EVILCORLEY]: Obviously, never is the wrong word.
[01:32:42.240 --> 01:32:48.360] [EVILCORLEY]: But I would take her viewpoint over what's going on in Texas any day, even if it's technically wrong.
[01:32:48.460 --> 01:32:48.860] [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead, Kyle.
[01:32:49.400 --> 01:32:57.880] [KYLEDROSDK]: Oh, I just wanted to add that this reminds me of the argument that video games are the problem, that, like, we point to something and it's maybe partly true.
[01:32:57.880 --> 01:33:09.180] [KYLEDROSDK]: It maybe speaks to a overall phenomenon of how, you know, how we spend time, how we value and, you know, what kinds and forms of entertainment.
[01:33:09.380 --> 01:33:25.680] [KYLEDROSDK]: You know, there are arguments to be made that it may be a contributor to overall behavior or attitudes, but that it isn't, um, that, you know, video games are made to not show you violence or not, you know, expose you to anything, um, being the solution.
[01:33:25.680 --> 01:33:27.820] [KYLEDROSDK]: And it seems in the same league.
[01:33:28.020 --> 01:33:28.240] [KYLEDROSDK]: I don't know.
[01:33:28.320 --> 01:33:29.880] [EVILCORLEY]: You see that Rob's playing a video game right now.
[01:33:30.600 --> 01:33:31.780] [EVILCORLEY]: Some kind of a wise guy.
[01:33:31.880 --> 01:33:32.140] [EVILCORLEY]: Look at that.
[01:33:32.240 --> 01:33:34.660] [EVILCORLEY]: He's got a droid stick controller thing.
[01:33:34.860 --> 01:33:36.080] [EVILCORLEY]: Whatever kids use these days.
[01:33:37.600 --> 01:33:39.340] [KYLEDROSDK]: Yes, but I haven't done anything violent with it.
[01:33:39.420 --> 01:33:39.560] [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah.
[01:33:39.880 --> 01:33:41.680] [KYLEDROSDK]: He seems peaceful for now.
[01:33:42.000 --> 01:33:42.120] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[01:33:42.140 --> 01:33:42.960] [EVILCORLEY]: It's only a matter of time.
[01:33:43.200 --> 01:33:44.080] [KYLEDROSDK]: I don't know if that...
[01:33:44.080 --> 01:33:44.840] [EVILCORLEY]: We have a call.
[01:33:45.000 --> 01:33:45.320] [EVILCORLEY]: Good evening.
[01:33:45.460 --> 01:33:46.400] [EVILCORLEY]: You're on Offlook Overtime.
[01:33:49.340 --> 01:33:50.900] [SPEAKER_17]: Daryl McPherson, Bronx, New York.
[01:33:51.000 --> 01:33:51.660] [SPEAKER_17]: Are you able to hear me?
[01:33:51.780 --> 01:33:52.440] [EVILCORLEY]: Yes, we hear you fine.
[01:33:53.580 --> 01:33:53.800] [SPEAKER_17]: Right.
[01:33:53.900 --> 01:33:54.120] [SPEAKER_17]: Okay.
[01:33:54.500 --> 01:33:55.300] [SPEAKER_17]: A couple of things.
[01:33:55.500 --> 01:34:04.620] [SPEAKER_17]: One, uh, I sent you all an email last week about an FCC petition to deny WBAI.
[01:34:05.260 --> 01:34:07.640] [SPEAKER_17]: Uh, it's license renewal in June.
[01:34:08.080 --> 01:34:09.740] [EVILCORLEY]: Yes, we talked about this last week.
[01:34:10.000 --> 01:34:11.000] [EVILCORLEY]: But go ahead.
[01:34:12.000 --> 01:34:13.440] [EVILCORLEY]: What's your opinion on it?
[01:34:13.880 --> 01:34:14.520] [SPEAKER_17]: Do you have any updates?
[01:34:14.700 --> 01:34:14.900] [SPEAKER_17]: No, I apologize.
[01:34:15.180 --> 01:34:16.640] [SPEAKER_17]: I must have been dead last week.
[01:34:17.260 --> 01:34:18.440] [SPEAKER_17]: Um, did you...
[01:34:18.440 --> 01:34:19.500] [SPEAKER_17]: No, I'm serious.
[01:34:19.540 --> 01:34:21.920] [SPEAKER_17]: I'm having a lot of challenges these days.
[01:34:22.540 --> 01:34:31.520] [SPEAKER_17]: Um, what did you think of them including hope in their, um, list of challenges?
[01:34:31.880 --> 01:34:33.360] [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, it was good for a laugh.
[01:34:33.600 --> 01:34:34.600] [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, it's absurd.
[01:34:34.600 --> 01:34:40.480] [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, that, uh, someone would say that us talking about hope somehow violates the FCC.
[01:34:40.660 --> 01:34:41.680] [EVILCORLEY]: It's, it's just nonsense.
[01:34:41.860 --> 01:34:51.000] [EVILCORLEY]: If somebody doesn't know anything about radio, the rules, the FCC, um, you know, people are allowed to talk about events that they're involved in.
[01:34:51.100 --> 01:34:56.720] [EVILCORLEY]: That is, you know, certainly, uh, something that, uh, uh, anybody with common sense knows already.
[01:34:56.720 --> 01:35:09.540] [EVILCORLEY]: But the thing is, um, it's, it's kind of like a harassment campaign against the radio station where people just, uh, will, will come up with utter nonsense, uh, just so the radio station has to defend themselves in court and waste money.
[01:35:09.720 --> 01:35:10.800] [EVILCORLEY]: That's really what this is.
[01:35:10.800 --> 01:35:15.040] [SPEAKER_17]: And then they bankrupt and go into receivership so that they can take us.
[01:35:15.280 --> 01:35:15.760] [EVILCORLEY]: Pretty much.
[01:35:16.280 --> 01:35:26.620] [KYLEDROSDK]: It's, it's, it's, and it is a vulnerability the station already has, uh, as far as, uh, financial, I mean, from years and years, we've been trying to reform and reorganize and do better.
[01:35:27.300 --> 01:35:46.360] [KYLEDROSDK]: And, uh, this would just, uh, become a, a primary hindrance in, in the face of a lot of smaller things that are just barely getting resolved or, uh, starting to create space for new programming and, uh, you know, getting listenership back up to where it ought to be.
[01:35:46.540 --> 01:35:52.840] [KYLEDROSDK]: And, and, uh, there's a lot of people that work really hard that, that had to fight off people trying to change the locks and stuff.
[01:35:52.960 --> 01:35:56.920] [KYLEDROSDK]: I mean, those are all distractions along the way that do not make it easy to operate.
[01:35:56.960 --> 01:36:08.300] [KYLEDROSDK]: And, uh, this seems in that same tact, um, though in, as you, as he characterized in, in a pretty ignorant, uh, uh, characterization and comparison.
[01:36:09.260 --> 01:36:09.700] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[01:36:09.820 --> 01:36:18.480] [EVILCORLEY]: And they, they basically, um, uh, they're the same people that, um, that changed the locks, you know, the same people that supported that, that tells you we have motivations.
[01:36:18.860 --> 01:36:21.480] [EVILCORLEY]: So, um, you know, I would take it with a big pillar of salt.
[01:36:22.360 --> 01:36:25.880] [SPEAKER_17]: No, I just wanted to, I apologize for missing last week.
[01:36:26.040 --> 01:36:32.340] [SPEAKER_17]: Um, because I wanted to make sure that you all were aware that you were part of this nonsense.
[01:36:32.960 --> 01:36:51.140] [SPEAKER_17]: Um, two things that I'd like to propose, one, that we do a, um, support the station campaign to the FCC until we can figure out what's the best way to handle the, um, the petition to deny license renewal.
[01:36:51.380 --> 01:37:03.620] [SPEAKER_17]: And the other thing is, uh, did anyone take an opportunity to look at the, uh, good shop platform as a fundraising, uh, possibility for all 501C series?
[01:37:03.760 --> 01:37:05.700] [EVILCORLEY]: I believe you mentioned this a few weeks ago.
[01:37:05.940 --> 01:37:13.400] [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, I don't, I don't know if anyone on our end got to look at that, but, uh, I know it's, it's been discussed, but not something that we're doing.
[01:37:13.460 --> 01:37:24.000] [SPEAKER_17]: No, the only reason I'm asking is because I'm looking so that I've, I've gotten some folks and I've gotten the station, uh, management, uh, there's money there.
[01:37:24.560 --> 01:37:42.260] [SPEAKER_17]: And we're trying, we're trying to get the station management to pick up the money that's there and then tell people that that's an option, especially if they have zero out of, uh, zero capital out of pocket to a, get more people to listen to the station.
[01:37:42.500 --> 01:37:49.740] [SPEAKER_17]: Uh, because if you listen to both your show and many other shows on WBAI, you have to do searching.
[01:37:50.240 --> 01:38:02.120] [SPEAKER_17]: It's just imperative that you look up what you've, um, what you've been exposed to, to see if a, what you're saying is factual B, where can I get more, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
[01:38:02.400 --> 01:38:02.560] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[01:38:03.040 --> 01:38:09.360] [SPEAKER_17]: And, um, in that context, if we can also use it as a way to support one another.
[01:38:09.560 --> 01:38:15.560] [SPEAKER_17]: So for instance, let's say you needed for some reason you needed money to support hope.
[01:38:17.180 --> 01:38:26.780] [SPEAKER_17]: If there's a 501 C three along the line of, I found out that, uh, United way is a cause on a good search.
[01:38:27.520 --> 01:38:40.280] [SPEAKER_17]: Um, we could, we could, we could establish our own 501 C three and, and, uh, support anything we have a mind to in the context that all it requires is a behavior change.
[01:38:40.560 --> 01:38:51.820] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, I think that, I think the best way, the best way for you to convince, uh, management over at WBAI to pursue this is point to a 501 C three that is doing this where it's successful and say, look, they did it.
[01:38:51.920 --> 01:38:52.720] [EVILCORLEY]: You guys can do it too.
[01:38:54.060 --> 01:38:54.420] [EVILCORLEY]: I'm sorry.
[01:38:54.740 --> 01:38:56.540] [SPEAKER_17]: B A I already a member.
[01:38:57.000 --> 01:38:57.400] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:38:57.860 --> 01:39:01.760] [SPEAKER_17]: Have $1,400 sitting there waiting for them to pick it up.
[01:39:02.300 --> 01:39:09.100] [SPEAKER_17]: We're trying to get, uh, well, rather than waste every, waste everybody's time.
[01:39:09.340 --> 01:39:22.420] [SPEAKER_17]: Eventually I'll get around to, to getting a birth hold to, um, or I'll do it myself once I, I'll get, we're told to give me authorization to speak for the station and, and teach people how to do the transfer.
[01:39:22.660 --> 01:39:34.120] [SPEAKER_17]: What I'm more looking at is there are a number of platforms that we could utilize and get some of this money to where it needs to go, but just having people change their behavior.
[01:39:34.360 --> 01:39:36.760] [SPEAKER_17]: So that's my point.
[01:39:37.020 --> 01:39:37.240] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:39:37.540 --> 01:39:38.740] [SPEAKER_17]: Um, and thank you all.
[01:39:38.860 --> 01:39:39.800] [SPEAKER_17]: Thank you all for being here.
[01:39:40.320 --> 01:39:42.780] [EVILCORLEY]: Thanks so much for the, uh, suggestions and we'll try to spread the word.
[01:39:43.140 --> 01:39:43.680] [EVILCORLEY]: Take care.
[01:39:45.120 --> 01:39:45.500] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[01:39:45.540 --> 01:39:46.600] [EVILCORLEY]: All kinds of, uh, good ideas.
[01:39:46.840 --> 01:39:47.620] [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, Alex, do you have something?
[01:39:47.700 --> 01:39:48.480] [EVILCORLEY]: I saw your hand go up.
[01:39:49.520 --> 01:39:50.400] [EVILCORLEY]: Were you falling?
[01:39:50.560 --> 01:39:54.680] [ALEXURBELS]: What, what's, uh, no, I was just thinking that the caller had good ideas.
[01:39:55.200 --> 01:39:55.820] [ALEXURBELS]: Really run out.
[01:39:56.000 --> 01:39:58.260] [EVILCORLEY]: And you waved your hand to sort of say, okay, yeah, I get that.
[01:39:58.740 --> 01:39:59.060] [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah.
[01:39:59.540 --> 01:40:00.000] [ALEXURBELS]: Oh boy.
[01:40:00.660 --> 01:40:00.920] [EVILCORLEY]: Wow.
[01:40:01.160 --> 01:40:01.680] [ALEXURBELS]: It's a Rebel.
[01:40:02.100 --> 01:40:02.880] [EVILCORLEY]: No, it's not Rebel.
[01:40:03.100 --> 01:40:05.320] [EVILCORLEY]: I don't think it's Eleanor.
[01:40:06.160 --> 01:40:07.980] [EVILCORLEY]: I, I don't know even know who that is.
[01:40:08.360 --> 01:40:08.820] [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead.
[01:40:08.860 --> 01:40:09.060] [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[01:40:10.780 --> 01:40:11.100] [EVILCORLEY]: Hello.
[01:40:11.260 --> 01:40:12.400] [EVILCORLEY]: You're on Off The Hook Overtime.
[01:40:13.400 --> 01:40:14.360] [EVILCORLEY]: Oh wait, I didn't press the button.
[01:40:14.500 --> 01:40:14.800] [SPEAKER_04]: Amazing.
[01:40:15.160 --> 01:40:15.420] [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead.
[01:40:16.020 --> 01:40:18.600] [SPEAKER_04]: I, um, I gotta thank you for so many things.
[01:40:19.460 --> 01:40:21.080] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, first time caller.
[01:40:21.920 --> 01:40:28.400] [SPEAKER_04]: And I've followed you and, and 2600 for decades.
[01:40:28.960 --> 01:40:38.820] [SPEAKER_04]: And there was a time that you might not remember that you came back from the, uh, the CCC in, uh, Germany.
[01:40:39.080 --> 01:40:39.360] [SPEAKER_08]: Uh huh.
[01:40:39.780 --> 01:40:47.920] [SPEAKER_04]: And you, you had, somebody had said that, that there was someone to follow called Fravia, the searcher.
[01:40:48.140 --> 01:40:48.900] [SPEAKER_04]: Do you remember that?
[01:40:49.280 --> 01:40:50.020] [EVILCORLEY]: Say that again?
[01:40:50.140 --> 01:40:50.440] [EVILCORLEY]: Someone what?
[01:40:51.720 --> 01:40:53.120] [SPEAKER_04]: His name was Fravia.
[01:40:53.480 --> 01:40:55.280] [SPEAKER_04]: F-R-A-V-I-A.
[01:40:56.360 --> 01:41:00.920] [SPEAKER_04]: He was a, uh, an Internet searcher, I believe from Finland.
[01:41:02.920 --> 01:41:03.360] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:41:03.640 --> 01:41:04.600] [EVILCORLEY]: It's not ringing about for me.
[01:41:04.900 --> 01:41:05.600] [KYLEDROSDK]: It was a long time ago.
[01:41:05.800 --> 01:41:06.840] [EVILCORLEY]: Kyle, you, you remember something?
[01:41:07.020 --> 01:41:07.840] [KYLEDROSDK]: That name's familiar.
[01:41:08.400 --> 01:41:13.980] [KYLEDROSDK]: Can you, can you tell us a little bit more about what your story, what you're speaking to or what was going on in the episode you're referring to?
[01:41:15.460 --> 01:41:23.520] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, you guys came back from, from the CCC and you would, you would met or heard a talk by this guy.
[01:41:23.780 --> 01:41:27.200] [SPEAKER_04]: And he was, he was like a really good Internet searcher.
[01:41:27.480 --> 01:41:47.420] [SPEAKER_04]: He, he figured out ways to, uh, use Google and use different search engines and just find things on the Internet, like, like different types of data, like data that there was not necessarily, um, uh, you know, publicly indexed, but it was findable.
[01:41:47.660 --> 01:41:48.100] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:41:48.720 --> 01:41:56.400] [SPEAKER_04]: And you guys, you guys put that out there and you turned me onto Linux.
[01:41:56.740 --> 01:41:57.880] [SPEAKER_04]: You turned me onto ham radio.
[01:41:58.720 --> 01:42:02.120] [SPEAKER_04]: You've turned me on to a lot of things that have helped me in my career.
[01:42:02.820 --> 01:42:08.680] [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm just so ecstatic that things that you put out there over, over the years.
[01:42:08.880 --> 01:42:10.440] [SPEAKER_04]: And I wanted to thank you for it.
[01:42:10.580 --> 01:42:11.920] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, we're, it's hard.
[01:42:12.080 --> 01:42:23.340] [EVILCORLEY]: We're doubly ecstatic to hear that because, um, you know, doing this is fun, but knowing that it reaches people and it affects them and it changes them in a, in a positive way that really makes it all worthwhile.
[01:42:24.420 --> 01:42:24.900] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[01:42:24.900 --> 01:42:25.660] [SPEAKER_04]: It's incredible.
[01:42:25.880 --> 01:42:26.280] [SPEAKER_04]: It's incredible.
[01:42:26.520 --> 01:42:35.020] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, even, even, even lock picking, I pick lots for people at work and it's just incredible.
[01:42:35.340 --> 01:42:40.280] [SPEAKER_04]: The things you guys have put out, um, are unique and helpful.
[01:42:40.520 --> 01:42:43.600] [SPEAKER_04]: And just, I wanted to thank you for it.
[01:42:43.840 --> 01:42:46.780] [EVILCORLEY]: And, um, well, you're, you're, you're quite welcome.
[01:42:46.960 --> 01:42:51.920] [EVILCORLEY]: And, and just know that, uh, what we do, it's just one part of the hacker community and it's massive.
[01:42:52.280 --> 01:42:53.100] [EVILCORLEY]: It's, it's global.
[01:42:53.420 --> 01:42:59.780] [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, and, um, I like to think we represent the spirit that is dominant, uh, amongst this magical community.
[01:43:01.000 --> 01:43:01.640] [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.
[01:43:01.920 --> 01:43:02.180] [SPEAKER_04]: All right.
[01:43:02.280 --> 01:43:02.440] [SPEAKER_04]: Thanks again.
[01:43:03.060 --> 01:43:05.040] [SPEAKER_04]: And all your, your crew, your whole team.
[01:43:05.240 --> 01:43:05.860] [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.
[01:43:06.100 --> 01:43:06.560] [EVILCORLEY]: Thank you.
[01:43:06.760 --> 01:43:07.080] [EVILCORLEY]: Take care.
[01:43:08.280 --> 01:43:09.620] [EVILCORLEY]: It's a nice sentiment.
[01:43:09.860 --> 01:43:10.140] [SPEAKER_04]: Wow.
[01:43:10.340 --> 01:43:11.020] [EVILCORLEY]: It's good to hear that.
[01:43:11.140 --> 01:43:13.800] [EVILCORLEY]: I, we hear that, but it's great to hear it.
[01:43:13.940 --> 01:43:15.720] [EVILCORLEY]: You know, it never gets old.
[01:43:16.200 --> 01:43:18.820] [KYLEDROSDK]: Acknowledgement like that is really incredible.
[01:43:19.080 --> 01:43:24.500] [KYLEDROSDK]: So, um, just so thankful that, uh, that person called and shared with us.
[01:43:24.600 --> 01:43:28.120] [KYLEDROSDK]: I, I don't know what else to say that that was, uh, really unexpected.
[01:43:28.380 --> 01:43:29.080] [EVILCORLEY]: Taking the phone call.
[01:43:29.200 --> 01:43:29.860] [EVILCORLEY]: We're getting a lot of phone calls.
[01:43:29.920 --> 01:43:30.240] [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead, Rob.
[01:43:31.220 --> 01:43:32.640] [ROBVINCENT]: No, that, yeah, that was delightful.
[01:43:33.020 --> 01:43:33.740] [ROBVINCENT]: That was delightful.
[01:43:33.920 --> 01:43:34.180] [ROBVINCENT]: Thank you.
[01:43:34.400 --> 01:43:35.760] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, let's see if this call is delightful as well.
[01:43:35.840 --> 01:43:36.140] [EVILCORLEY]: Good evening.
[01:43:36.320 --> 01:43:37.560] [EVILCORLEY]: You're on Off The Hook Overtime.
[01:43:37.640 --> 01:43:37.820] [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead.
[01:43:39.240 --> 01:43:40.900] [SPEAKER_03]: Hi, I hope it's delightful.
[01:43:41.360 --> 01:43:42.020] [EVILCORLEY]: I think so.
[01:43:42.100 --> 01:43:42.280] [EVILCORLEY]: Yes.
[01:43:44.080 --> 01:43:44.400] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[01:43:44.860 --> 01:43:45.300] [EVILCORLEY]: What's on your mind?
[01:43:46.240 --> 01:43:51.320] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm still trying to get my long distance reconnected unsuccessfully.
[01:43:51.520 --> 01:43:57.360] [EVILCORLEY]: I'm sorry to hear that, but fortunately we, we, we have the toll-free number that we installed just for you.
[01:43:57.640 --> 01:43:59.200] [EVILCORLEY]: And I don't think anybody else used it.
[01:43:59.240 --> 01:44:00.700] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, and I'm thanking you for it.
[01:44:00.720 --> 01:44:01.760] [EVILCORLEY]: And what's the number again?
[01:44:01.880 --> 01:44:03.260] [EVILCORLEY]: I couldn't call you without it.
[01:44:03.360 --> 01:44:04.380] [EVILCORLEY]: I clean forgot it.
[01:44:04.460 --> 01:44:05.540] [EVILCORLEY]: So what, what, what's the number?
[01:44:07.640 --> 01:44:08.120] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh.
[01:44:08.540 --> 01:44:09.280] [EVILCORLEY]: You just dialed it.
[01:44:09.280 --> 01:44:11.640] [SPEAKER_03]: I have to look it up on my own calendar here.
[01:44:12.520 --> 01:44:13.000] [SPEAKER_03]: Um.
[01:44:13.420 --> 01:44:14.500] [EVILCORLEY]: You gotta work for this.
[01:44:14.580 --> 01:44:14.980] [SPEAKER_03]: Hold on.
[01:44:15.700 --> 01:44:16.940] [SPEAKER_03]: It's 833.
[01:44:17.280 --> 01:44:18.480] [SPEAKER_03]: I remember that much.
[01:44:18.700 --> 01:44:19.120] [EVILCORLEY]: 833.
[01:44:19.520 --> 01:44:19.840] [EVILCORLEY]: How exact?
[01:44:21.420 --> 01:44:23.940] [SPEAKER_03]: 755-2600.
[01:44:24.300 --> 01:44:25.240] [EVILCORLEY]: How about that?
[01:44:25.240 --> 01:44:25.720] [EVILCORLEY]: Wow.
[01:44:26.080 --> 01:44:26.240] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:44:26.600 --> 01:44:28.240] [EVILCORLEY]: 833-755-2600.
[01:44:28.340 --> 01:44:28.640] [EVILCORLEY]: Toll-free.
[01:44:28.840 --> 01:44:30.040] [EVILCORLEY]: You, you wouldn't know it though.
[01:44:30.220 --> 01:44:30.580] [EVILCORLEY]: 833.
[01:44:30.920 --> 01:44:32.700] [EVILCORLEY]: How do you know that's a toll-free, Erica?
[01:44:32.880 --> 01:44:33.300] [EVILCORLEY]: But it is.
[01:44:33.440 --> 01:44:37.600] [EVILCORLEY]: Anything 8XX is, uh, where the X's are saying is toll-free.
[01:44:37.820 --> 01:44:39.660] [SPEAKER_03]: If it weren't, my call wouldn't go through.
[01:44:39.860 --> 01:44:40.880] [SPEAKER_03]: So that's proof.
[01:44:41.180 --> 01:44:43.520] [KYLEDROSDK]: If you squint your eyes, the extra threes look like eights.
[01:44:43.580 --> 01:44:43.780] [KYLEDROSDK]: Do they?
[01:44:43.920 --> 01:44:44.640] [KYLEDROSDK]: It's like 1-888.
[01:44:44.880 --> 01:44:47.220] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, but I, 8-88 is, yeah, that's, that's toll-free as well.
[01:44:47.300 --> 01:44:49.260] [EVILCORLEY]: I just remember 800 being the toll-free number.
[01:44:50.440 --> 01:44:52.000] [KYLEDROSDK]: Um, Alex says, what about 802?
[01:44:52.160 --> 01:44:52.520] [EVILCORLEY]: 802.
[01:44:52.660 --> 01:44:52.900] [EVILCORLEY]: No, okay.
[01:44:53.080 --> 01:44:55.180] [EVILCORLEY]: Alex, the zero and the two are different numbers.
[01:44:55.240 --> 01:44:57.680] [EVILCORLEY]: Therefore, the two X's don't equal the same thing.
[01:44:58.200 --> 01:45:00.100] [EVILCORLEY]: See, they have to equal the same thing.
[01:45:00.700 --> 01:45:03.800] [EVILCORLEY]: So 8, uh, well, there's no 899 for some reason.
[01:45:04.240 --> 01:45:07.840] [EVILCORLEY]: And I don't think it went down to 811 yet, but 822 would be the next one.
[01:45:08.000 --> 01:45:12.100] [EVILCORLEY]: I think after that, pretty much everyone has a toll-free number, so we don't need any more.
[01:45:12.100 --> 01:45:14.160] [GILADRAZEN]: Well, it can't be 811 because isn't 811 one of the shortcodes?
[01:45:14.360 --> 01:45:15.540] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, it's a shortcode for something.
[01:45:15.780 --> 01:45:16.520] [GILADRAZEN]: Is 811 the digging one?
[01:45:16.840 --> 01:45:17.920] [EVILCORLEY]: I think it's the digging one.
[01:45:17.920 --> 01:45:22.120] [EVILCORLEY]: The one I have a problem with because I really think it could use it for something more people need.
[01:45:23.020 --> 01:45:25.000] [EVILCORLEY]: We're not all digging cables constantly.
[01:45:25.400 --> 01:45:25.900] [KYLEDROSDK]: I can dig it.
[01:45:26.040 --> 01:45:27.300] [EVILCORLEY]: Anyway, caller, what's on your mind?
[01:45:28.820 --> 01:45:37.560] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I was, as I said, calling to let you know, I'm still not able to make long-distance phone calls, so thank you for the toll-free number.
[01:45:37.900 --> 01:45:38.100] [EVILCORLEY]: Yes.
[01:45:38.660 --> 01:45:41.220] [EVILCORLEY]: If only everybody would give you a toll-free number to call them.
[01:45:42.380 --> 01:45:42.800] [SPEAKER_03]: What?
[01:45:43.180 --> 01:45:46.360] [EVILCORLEY]: If only everybody would give you a toll-free number so you could call them.
[01:45:47.180 --> 01:45:49.580] [EVILCORLEY]: All the people in the country that you can't call.
[01:45:49.580 --> 01:45:51.240] [KYLEDROSDK]: Did you... Yes.
[01:45:51.540 --> 01:46:00.180] [KYLEDROSDK]: Did you find out from your telephone provider, with this new snazzy line, if you're able to add your favorite long-distance provider?
[01:46:01.500 --> 01:46:09.760] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, they say I can, and they told me to contact them, and I did contact them, and they say it's working fine, only it's not.
[01:46:10.180 --> 01:46:10.400] [SPEAKER_09]: Huh.
[01:46:10.960 --> 01:46:25.700] [SPEAKER_03]: And I just got another, two duplicate emails saying that my ticket has yet again been closed, that the matter has been resolved.
[01:46:25.840 --> 01:46:27.040] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, they do that.
[01:46:27.160 --> 01:46:27.420] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[01:46:27.780 --> 01:46:29.700] [SPEAKER_03]: According to Verizon.
[01:46:30.020 --> 01:46:30.680] [KYLEDROSDK]: Oh, they're evil.
[01:46:30.760 --> 01:46:32.580] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, that's not a company to work with.
[01:46:32.800 --> 01:46:34.980] [EVILCORLEY]: That's... You know, does this phone number still work?
[01:46:35.000 --> 01:46:42.500] [EVILCORLEY]: You guys remember when everybody was trading long-distance companies like baseball cards, there was a carrier access check number.
[01:46:42.700 --> 01:46:47.480] [EVILCORLEY]: It was, I believe, 1-700-555-4141.
[01:46:47.480 --> 01:46:51.020] [EVILCORLEY]: You call that number, and it tells you what your long-distance company is.
[01:46:51.360 --> 01:46:55.160] [EVILCORLEY]: I don't know if that still works, but you might want to try calling that number.
[01:46:55.320 --> 01:46:56.240] [EVILCORLEY]: What's the worst that can happen?
[01:46:56.640 --> 01:46:58.240] [SPEAKER_03]: Wait, let me write it down.
[01:46:58.440 --> 01:46:58.540] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:46:59.500 --> 01:47:00.220] [SPEAKER_03]: Say it again.
[01:47:00.500 --> 01:47:06.520] [EVILCORLEY]: It's 1-700-555-4141.
[01:47:08.820 --> 01:47:10.320] [EVILCORLEY]: Now, I don't know if that still works.
[01:47:10.940 --> 01:47:12.460] [EVILCORLEY]: It used to work back in the day.
[01:47:12.740 --> 01:47:19.100] [SPEAKER_03]: I believe I was given that number once before by one of these places to call.
[01:47:19.440 --> 01:47:19.620] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:47:19.680 --> 01:47:23.660] [SPEAKER_03]: And I called it, and it gave some sort of error message.
[01:47:24.500 --> 01:47:31.180] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, it'll give you a message from somebody, but whatever company identifies itself on the message, that's your long-distance company, my understanding.
[01:47:32.440 --> 01:47:35.680] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but it didn't actually help.
[01:47:35.880 --> 01:47:36.480] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, try it.
[01:47:36.600 --> 01:47:37.720] [EVILCORLEY]: Maybe it'll work now.
[01:47:38.260 --> 01:47:38.860] [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead, Kyle.
[01:47:39.040 --> 01:47:47.600] [KYLEDROSDK]: I'll just add my two cents for strategies for dealing with Verizon customer service and just customer service in general.
[01:47:48.120 --> 01:47:54.140] [KYLEDROSDK]: Try to find as many different... First of all, look up a bunch of numbers for customer service for them.
[01:47:54.700 --> 01:48:01.420] [KYLEDROSDK]: Uh, when you find the main one, make sure you play with the phone tree a little bit or their, um, uh, I'm sorry.
[01:48:01.860 --> 01:48:06.320] [KYLEDROSDK]: Uh, uh, the voicemail, uh, system.
[01:48:06.580 --> 01:48:06.760] [KYLEDROSDK]: The menu.
[01:48:07.240 --> 01:48:07.500] [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah.
[01:48:07.720 --> 01:48:07.900] [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah.
[01:48:08.140 --> 01:48:09.360] [KYLEDROSDK]: I'm trying to think of what it's called.
[01:48:09.860 --> 01:48:12.860] [KYLEDROSDK]: Um, the, uh, automated system.
[01:48:13.180 --> 01:48:13.900] [KYLEDROSDK]: Navigate that a little bit.
[01:48:14.020 --> 01:48:23.540] [KYLEDROSDK]: Find out if there's something specific to your question or find out if you can press some buttons to actually talk to somebody instead of going through the automated... Oh, yes.
[01:48:23.580 --> 01:48:25.020] [SPEAKER_03]: I always try to do that.
[01:48:25.400 --> 01:48:25.400] Yeah.
[01:48:25.480 --> 01:48:26.740] [KYLEDROSDK]: But here's the other thing.
[01:48:27.220 --> 01:48:36.460] [KYLEDROSDK]: Call back multiple times, like call and say your, um, problem knowing that that first call is probably not going to get you somewhere.
[01:48:36.580 --> 01:48:40.460] [KYLEDROSDK]: You'll either get transferred, you're probably going to get hung up on, you'll, you'll, something will happen.
[01:48:40.760 --> 01:48:44.320] [KYLEDROSDK]: The first one's always just kind of just to get you in a good rhythm.
[01:48:44.340 --> 01:48:45.020] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, that's a practice one.
[01:48:45.140 --> 01:48:51.460] [KYLEDROSDK]: The second and third, you start, you start calling as though you're in the middle of something.
[01:48:51.640 --> 01:48:55.600] [KYLEDROSDK]: You got disconnected, but not, you don't even have to make up something like that.
[01:48:55.720 --> 01:48:59.800] [KYLEDROSDK]: Just basically, yeah, I'm calling back regarding something.
[01:48:59.840 --> 01:49:05.920] [KYLEDROSDK]: Like you're in the middle of something and I'm calling about this or you reference your ticket numbers if you're actually given a ticket number.
[01:49:06.100 --> 01:49:11.400] [KYLEDROSDK]: But even those, as you said, can be closed out on you and have weird stuff like that.
[01:49:11.600 --> 01:49:25.960] [KYLEDROSDK]: But if you get a name of the first person that you were talking And you say you're calling back, you're working on this thing, and you had so much help from this individual that said that you could call back and that someone would help you finish this.
[01:49:26.140 --> 01:49:35.140] [KYLEDROSDK]: Or make like they... like you haven't been talking to them, but you know that this person can help you.
[01:49:35.220 --> 01:49:40.680] [KYLEDROSDK]: You know, you've got to kind of like break through their no to get to that yes.
[01:49:40.840 --> 01:49:41.320] [KYLEDROSDK]: Do you know what I'm saying?
[01:49:41.600 --> 01:49:41.780] [KYLEDROSDK]: Wow.
[01:49:42.240 --> 01:49:42.900] [EVILCORLEY]: That's poetic.
[01:49:44.860 --> 01:49:46.060] [KYLEDROSDK]: Don't give up, though.
[01:49:46.280 --> 01:49:48.320] [KYLEDROSDK]: And just reference their own stuff.
[01:49:48.660 --> 01:49:50.620] [KYLEDROSDK]: Like, use their own bureaucracy against them.
[01:49:50.740 --> 01:49:52.420] [KYLEDROSDK]: Like, everything you can think of.
[01:49:52.700 --> 01:49:54.820] [KYLEDROSDK]: Reference the ticket numbers.
[01:49:55.000 --> 01:49:58.280] [KYLEDROSDK]: Reference the... as I said, a representative.
[01:49:58.640 --> 01:50:03.600] [KYLEDROSDK]: Or that you were... you had tried this department, but you're actually better off with this person.
[01:50:03.600 --> 01:50:07.200] [KYLEDROSDK]: Or someone told you that this department, they're better suited, they can help you.
[01:50:07.340 --> 01:50:10.500] [KYLEDROSDK]: Or just innocently ask, what is the right department?
[01:50:10.500 --> 01:50:12.060] [KYLEDROSDK]: I was a little bit confused.
[01:50:12.060 --> 01:50:12.880] [KYLEDROSDK]: This is my question.
[01:50:12.900 --> 01:50:16.200] [KYLEDROSDK]: Maybe you can help me get to the right place and they'll get you someone.
[01:50:16.440 --> 01:50:18.520] [EVILCORLEY]: Why is it so hard to be a customer of this company?
[01:50:18.520 --> 01:50:19.520] [EVILCORLEY]: They don't want to talk to you.
[01:50:19.620 --> 01:50:20.900] [EVILCORLEY]: None of these places want to deal with you.
[01:50:20.920 --> 01:50:21.280] [EVILCORLEY]: Oh my God.
[01:50:21.420 --> 01:50:22.300] [EVILCORLEY]: What a nightmare.
[01:50:22.600 --> 01:50:27.540] [KYLEDROSDK]: Honestly, this happened with me, with our phone line in the hotel for the social engineering panel.
[01:50:27.680 --> 01:50:28.200] [KYLEDROSDK]: Oh yeah, I remember that.
[01:50:28.200 --> 01:50:28.980] [KYLEDROSDK]: It was always a pain.
[01:50:30.040 --> 01:50:33.420] [KYLEDROSDK]: And getting that installed, getting it set up, getting it tested, I had Alex helping.
[01:50:33.420 --> 01:50:34.760] [EVILCORLEY]: That's why they tore down the hotel.
[01:50:34.980 --> 01:50:43.720] [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah, they... Verizon finally gave up and they're like, it's either... it's either we take down this hotel, but we're not going back to install a phone line again.
[01:50:43.860 --> 01:50:45.800] [EVILCORLEY]: Actually, they haven't torn it down yet, but they aim to.
[01:50:45.940 --> 01:50:50.360] [KYLEDROSDK]: Long story, really excruciatingly long, I found a secret number.
[01:50:50.360 --> 01:51:01.480] [KYLEDROSDK]: You know, there was like some weird specific number that I could call for certain things like canceling our account after we had the event.
[01:51:01.500 --> 01:51:02.360] [EVILCORLEY]: Wait, you just gave me an idea.
[01:51:02.620 --> 01:51:03.800] [EVILCORLEY]: What if she...
[01:51:03.800 --> 01:51:04.420] [EVILCORLEY]: No, no, hold on a second.
[01:51:04.540 --> 01:51:06.240] [EVILCORLEY]: Verizon is your main company, right?
[01:51:06.280 --> 01:51:07.360] [EVILCORLEY]: Just not Verizon long distance?
[01:51:07.660 --> 01:51:07.860] [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah.
[01:51:08.520 --> 01:51:09.320] [EVILCORLEY]: No, I'm asking her.
[01:51:10.960 --> 01:51:11.800] Oh, me?
[01:51:11.980 --> 01:51:12.260] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, you.
[01:51:12.540 --> 01:51:13.740] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, part of this conversation.
[01:51:13.860 --> 01:51:17.800] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, so if you threaten to cancel your service...
[01:51:17.800 --> 01:51:30.700] [SPEAKER_03]: That the company has gone through name changes or acquisitions, so it said WorldCom, and then it said MCI, and now currently it's Credo.
[01:51:30.960 --> 01:51:31.700] [SPEAKER_12]: Wait, you're not...
[01:51:31.700 --> 01:51:32.640] [SPEAKER_12]: I thought you were on Verizon.
[01:51:32.920 --> 01:51:33.920] [SPEAKER_12]: No, this is long distance.
[01:51:34.780 --> 01:51:36.060] [SPEAKER_12]: This is who she's trying to hook up.
[01:51:36.140 --> 01:51:39.020] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm talking about the long distance company, not the local.
[01:51:39.320 --> 01:51:40.160] [SPEAKER_12]: Okay, so...
[01:51:40.160 --> 01:51:41.500] [SPEAKER_03]: Local calls are Verizon.
[01:51:41.820 --> 01:51:43.500] [EVILCORLEY]: You're trying to hook up...
[01:51:43.500 --> 01:51:44.380] [EVILCORLEY]: Who's Credo?
[01:51:44.520 --> 01:51:50.100] [KYLEDROSDK]: She's trying to set up her long distance provider with her landline, local company, and not use their long distance.
[01:51:50.780 --> 01:51:51.300] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:51:51.520 --> 01:51:54.500] [KYLEDROSDK]: It's like a third-party long distance provider, like back in the 90s.
[01:51:54.760 --> 01:51:56.640] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, so why not just pick a different one then?
[01:51:56.900 --> 01:52:03.920] [SPEAKER_03]: And Credo, you know, would give me the legacy sweet deal I had for long distance.
[01:52:04.120 --> 01:52:04.220] [SPEAKER_08]: Ah.
[01:52:04.540 --> 01:52:13.680] [SPEAKER_03]: And they also give some tiny fraction of what they make in to charities that you can vote for.
[01:52:13.920 --> 01:52:14.340] [EVILCORLEY]: I see.
[01:52:15.260 --> 01:52:17.460] [KYLEDROSDK]: It's kind of like that good search thing that we were talking about.
[01:52:17.620 --> 01:52:20.240] [KYLEDROSDK]: But just be persistent and...
[01:52:20.240 --> 01:52:21.860] [EVILCORLEY]: Are you on Twitter by any chance?
[01:52:23.820 --> 01:52:24.180] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[01:52:24.400 --> 01:52:25.400] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, this is what you do.
[01:52:25.680 --> 01:52:34.640] [EVILCORLEY]: You find out what their Twitter ID is, and then you say something really critical about them, and make sure you tag them with the at sign in front of their username.
[01:52:35.540 --> 01:52:39.460] [EVILCORLEY]: Guarantee somebody will get back to you and say, we're so sorry this didn't work out.
[01:52:39.460 --> 01:52:40.280] [EVILCORLEY]: How can we help?
[01:52:40.460 --> 01:52:45.540] [EVILCORLEY]: And then you can have a conversation with them on Twitter, either through direct messaging or by direct tweeting them.
[01:52:45.960 --> 01:52:54.340] [EVILCORLEY]: And I've found with many companies, that is the best way to get an immediate result or a much quicker result than you would if you call them.
[01:52:54.340 --> 01:52:56.180] [EVILCORLEY]: So give that a try, at least.
[01:52:56.940 --> 01:53:00.740] [SPEAKER_03]: I will do that, because certainly, it's easy enough.
[01:53:00.940 --> 01:53:02.000] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, it's really easy.
[01:53:02.140 --> 01:53:05.000] [SPEAKER_03]: It beats being on hold forever and so forth.
[01:53:05.200 --> 01:53:07.320] [SPEAKER_03]: I have something else I want to mention.
[01:53:07.560 --> 01:53:08.020] [SPEAKER_11]: Okay, quickly.
[01:53:08.640 --> 01:53:15.700] [SPEAKER_03]: Pacifica Fight Back is inviting everyone to a national community radio town hall.
[01:53:16.960 --> 01:53:23.440] [SPEAKER_03]: BIPOC people are being pressured, being removed off the air on various stations.
[01:53:24.620 --> 01:53:33.560] [SPEAKER_03]: And we're also going to be discussing that FCC mess.
[01:53:33.600 --> 01:53:34.620] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you've been talking about us.
[01:53:34.700 --> 01:53:36.280] [SPEAKER_03]: That's been registered against us.
[01:53:36.420 --> 01:53:36.620] [SPEAKER_09]: Cool.
[01:53:36.880 --> 01:53:43.220] [SPEAKER_03]: So I wanted to give a plug for everybody attending this town hall.
[01:53:43.460 --> 01:53:46.020] [SPEAKER_03]: And the way you do it is you register.
[01:53:46.020 --> 01:53:52.420] [SPEAKER_03]: And there's this long thing for, which I will read off slowly.
[01:53:52.560 --> 01:53:55.740] [SPEAKER_03]: People can get their pens and paper ready.
[01:53:57.440 --> 01:54:35.460] [SPEAKER_03]: H-T-T-P-S colon slash slash slash US02web.zoom.us slash meeting slash register slash small letter T, capital Z, capital Z, small letter C, small letter Q, small letter C, capital O, hyphen, small Q, small R, capital T.
[01:54:35.460 --> 01:55:12.880] [SPEAKER_03]: And I do not know if this is a capital I or a small L, followed by small r, capital G, 9, capital T, capital E, capital Y, capital M, 3, capital Y, capital E, small a, capital O, small f, small a, and again, I don't know whether it's an I or a capital I or a small L,
[01:55:13.180 --> 01:55:38.600] [SPEAKER_03]: followed by yet another capital I or small L, or maybe one of each, 6, G, no, capital G, I mean, small c, 5, A, either capital I or small L, V, small v, small k, capital H, capital H.
[01:55:41.300 --> 01:55:42.640] [SPEAKER_03]: I'll try that once more.
[01:55:42.720 --> 01:55:44.340] [EVILCORLEY]: No, no, no, no, please don't.
[01:55:46.380 --> 01:55:50.620] [EVILCORLEY]: But those I's or L's, they could also be ones.
[01:55:50.900 --> 01:55:52.320] [EVILCORLEY]: So just to add even more.
[01:55:52.540 --> 01:55:54.540] [ROBVINCENT]: There's a very simple solution to this.
[01:55:54.940 --> 01:55:57.380] [EVILCORLEY]: Rob, I've got a solution too, but maybe you have a better solution.
[01:55:57.380 --> 01:56:05.340] [EVILCORLEY]: But what I'm going to suggest is that either you, caller, or anybody else, just cut and paste that into tinyurl.com.
[01:56:05.660 --> 01:56:11.680] [EVILCORLEY]: Pick something that is friendly, like WBAI meeting or something like that, and convert that and spread the word about that.
[01:56:11.760 --> 01:56:13.080] [EVILCORLEY]: That way you don't have to read all that.
[01:56:13.260 --> 01:56:14.200] [EVILCORLEY]: And Rob, what's your suggestion?
[01:56:14.680 --> 01:56:17.100] [ROBVINCENT]: Also, this is a Zoom meeting, so that means...
[01:56:17.100 --> 01:56:17.200] [ROBVINCENT]: Hang on, hang on.
[01:56:17.480 --> 01:56:18.020] [EVILCORLEY]: Rob's talking.
[01:56:18.200 --> 01:56:18.840] [EVILCORLEY]: Rob, talk.
[01:56:18.980 --> 01:56:19.200] [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead.
[01:56:19.260 --> 01:56:19.480] [EVILCORLEY]: Sorry.
[01:56:19.700 --> 01:56:20.300] [ROBVINCENT]: Sorry, caller.
[01:56:20.420 --> 01:56:24.280] [ROBVINCENT]: This is a Zoom meeting, which means that there will be a meeting number and a passcode.
[01:56:24.280 --> 01:56:24.900] [ROBVINCENT]: Oh, my God.
[01:56:24.900 --> 01:56:25.260] [ROBVINCENT]: More numbers.
[01:56:25.260 --> 01:56:30.220] [ROBVINCENT]: And all you need are those two things, and you don't need the whole string of the web link to the Zoom meeting.
[01:56:30.400 --> 01:56:32.700] [ROBVINCENT]: All you need is the actual info for the Zoom meeting.
[01:56:32.860 --> 01:56:33.280] [EVILCORLEY]: Are you kidding me?
[01:56:33.280 --> 01:56:34.280] [EVILCORLEY]: We don't even need that.
[01:56:34.960 --> 01:56:35.140] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[01:56:35.140 --> 01:56:36.680] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, so this isn't a unique URL.
[01:56:36.940 --> 01:56:38.520] [EVILCORLEY]: It's just the URL that is Zoom.
[01:56:39.300 --> 01:56:40.100] [EVILCORLEY]: And also...
[01:56:40.100 --> 01:56:46.900] [ROBVINCENT]: It's the URL to this Zoom meeting, which has the meeting and the passcode encoded in it in, you know, long and comprehensible digits.
[01:56:47.100 --> 01:56:57.260] [ROBVINCENT]: But, like, when you're giving out information for a Zoom meeting, there is always just the, here's the meeting code, here's the passcode, and you just need those two things, and they're much shorter than that whole string of alphanumerics.
[01:56:57.260 --> 01:56:58.640] [EVILCORLEY]: Do you have that information, caller?
[01:57:00.720 --> 01:57:06.340] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I have the information, but everybody, I think, gets a unique link.
[01:57:07.660 --> 01:57:08.880] [EVILCORLEY]: I think the meeting...
[01:57:08.880 --> 01:57:09.380] [EVILCORLEY]: That's not how Zoom works.
[01:57:09.380 --> 01:57:12.100] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, the meeting is always the same, and the password is always the same.
[01:57:12.160 --> 01:57:18.140] [EVILCORLEY]: But I feel like I'm asking for your password on the air, and that's not something I really want to do, even though I know I'm not.
[01:57:19.420 --> 01:57:22.980] [EVILCORLEY]: So if you want to give out more information, go ahead, but we really have to move on.
[01:57:24.340 --> 01:57:25.220] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh-huh.
[01:57:26.780 --> 01:57:29.980] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I can try and look up...
[01:57:30.580 --> 01:57:31.660] [SPEAKER_03]: I got...
[01:57:31.660 --> 01:57:32.760] [SPEAKER_03]: When is the meeting?
[01:57:33.200 --> 01:57:34.040] [EVILCORLEY]: When is the meeting?
[01:57:36.000 --> 01:57:41.980] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's going to be on, let's see, Saturday the...
[01:57:43.240 --> 01:57:44.440] [SPEAKER_03]: Is it Saturday?
[01:57:47.480 --> 01:57:51.160] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, now I have to find it on my computer again.
[01:57:51.160 --> 01:58:02.740] [SPEAKER_03]: Because I went from the thing that had everything to something else, because you wanted me to look up these codes, and now...
[01:58:02.740 --> 01:58:03.040] [SPEAKER_03]: I did?
[01:58:04.300 --> 01:58:05.900] [SPEAKER_03]: Now I don't have it anymore.
[01:58:05.900 --> 01:58:07.420] [EVILCORLEY]: Alex, I think you had something to add.
[01:58:08.740 --> 01:58:17.480] [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah, I just want to say, you know, it's not often that you hear a full Zoom URL recited to you in spoken word.
[01:58:18.420 --> 01:58:20.480] [ALEXURBELS]: And I think that was wonderful.
[01:58:20.480 --> 01:58:23.480] [ALEXURBELS]: I think that the caller is admirable in her dedication.
[01:58:23.480 --> 01:58:25.500] [EVILCORLEY]: I think we can make a musical piece out of that.
[01:58:25.680 --> 01:58:27.120] [EVILCORLEY]: I think we can definitely...
[01:58:27.120 --> 01:58:28.760] [EVILCORLEY]: It could be a meme of sorts.
[01:58:29.220 --> 01:58:31.100] [SPEAKER_03]: I found the meeting ID and the password.
[01:58:31.100 --> 01:58:32.400] [EVILCORLEY]: We have the meeting ID and password.
[01:58:32.540 --> 01:58:33.140] [EVILCORLEY]: Everybody stand by.
[01:58:33.260 --> 01:58:33.480] [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead.
[01:58:34.020 --> 01:58:34.300] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[01:58:34.300 --> 01:58:43.820] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, the meeting ID is 837-7623-9110.
[01:58:43.820 --> 01:58:53.400] [SPEAKER_03]: Again, that's 837-7623-9110.
[01:58:54.520 --> 01:59:01.020] [SPEAKER_03]: The passcode is 461548.
[01:59:02.100 --> 01:59:05.820] [SPEAKER_03]: Again, that's 461548.
[01:59:06.140 --> 01:59:09.800] [SPEAKER_03]: But everybody does need to register in advance.
[01:59:11.080 --> 01:59:13.940] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, well, hopefully people can figure out how to do all that.
[01:59:15.020 --> 01:59:16.340] [EVILCORLEY]: We are going to move on.
[01:59:16.400 --> 01:59:17.280] [EVILCORLEY]: But thanks for all that information.
[01:59:18.920 --> 01:59:19.460] Thank you.
[01:59:19.660 --> 01:59:20.220] [EVILCORLEY]: All right, take care.
[01:59:21.300 --> 01:59:23.180] [EVILCORLEY]: Wow, that was epic.
[01:59:23.480 --> 01:59:25.120] [EVILCORLEY]: Hey, Alex, I want to ask you, though.
[01:59:25.540 --> 01:59:26.820] [EVILCORLEY]: Are you in Pennsylvania right now?
[01:59:28.020 --> 01:59:28.340] [ALEXURBELS]: Yes.
[01:59:28.780 --> 01:59:31.380] [EVILCORLEY]: How about you run outside and see if you can see the space station?
[01:59:31.440 --> 01:59:32.360] [EVILCORLEY]: Because it's about to pass.
[01:59:32.700 --> 01:59:35.520] [EVILCORLEY]: And it would be nice if somebody got something out of this.
[01:59:35.660 --> 01:59:36.840] [ALEXURBELS]: It's a little cloudy here.
[01:59:36.840 --> 01:59:38.060] [ALEXURBELS]: I was thinking of that, too.
[01:59:38.200 --> 01:59:39.540] [ALEXURBELS]: And I will...
[01:59:39.540 --> 01:59:41.240] [ALEXURBELS]: Wait, does it end at 908?
[01:59:41.380 --> 01:59:41.780] [ALEXURBELS]: Or does it...
[01:59:41.780 --> 01:59:43.860] [EVILCORLEY]: It starts at 908, which is three minutes from now.
[01:59:44.900 --> 01:59:47.340] [EVILCORLEY]: And the peak is about 11 after.
[01:59:47.980 --> 01:59:48.380] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:59:48.460 --> 01:59:49.880] [EVILCORLEY]: And it ends at 14 after.
[01:59:50.280 --> 01:59:50.580] [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah.
[01:59:50.740 --> 01:59:51.480] [ALEXURBELS]: I should be...
[01:59:51.480 --> 01:59:54.140] [ALEXURBELS]: I should have a view of the northeast sky as well, so...
[01:59:54.140 --> 01:59:58.540] [EVILCORLEY]: As long as you have a view of the sky, you should be able to see a fairly bright object moving across it.
[01:59:58.720 --> 01:59:59.900] [EVILCORLEY]: You know, airplane speed.
[02:00:00.160 --> 02:00:05.360] [EVILCORLEY]: And that goes for anybody, anybody else listening, either in the northeast or maybe throughout the entire country.
[02:00:07.480 --> 02:00:11.600] [EVILCORLEY]: Basically, just look up, and you'll see the space station passing by.
[02:00:11.740 --> 02:00:12.540] [EVILCORLEY]: It'll look like an airplane.
[02:00:12.540 --> 02:00:13.880] [EVILCORLEY]: It'll be moving in a weird way.
[02:00:14.560 --> 02:00:15.700] [EVILCORLEY]: It'll be kind of bright.
[02:00:16.420 --> 02:00:18.960] [EVILCORLEY]: And it'll start in about two minutes.
[02:00:19.340 --> 02:00:21.460] [KYLEDROSDK]: It'll have, like, this characteristic wobble.
[02:00:21.540 --> 02:00:21.780] [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah.
[02:00:21.780 --> 02:00:23.760] [KYLEDROSDK]: Kind of a drift in its orbit.
[02:00:24.160 --> 02:00:26.600] [EVILCORLEY]: If you've never seen it before, it's really, really cool.
[02:00:26.720 --> 02:00:27.640] [EVILCORLEY]: Alex, have you ever seen it before?
[02:00:28.400 --> 02:00:29.140] [ALEXURBELS]: Yes, I have.
[02:00:29.260 --> 02:00:29.420] [EVILCORLEY]: Oh.
[02:00:29.520 --> 02:00:29.640] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[02:00:29.860 --> 02:00:32.300] [EVILCORLEY]: Is that why you're not moving to see it this time?
[02:00:33.140 --> 02:00:35.140] [ALEXURBELS]: Well, I will, but it's not time yet.
[02:00:35.360 --> 02:00:36.700] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, it will be.
[02:00:36.740 --> 02:00:39.740] [EVILCORLEY]: You should get your galoshes on or something, whatever it is you wear out there.
[02:00:40.080 --> 02:00:41.200] [ALEXURBELS]: Maybe I'm wearing them already.
[02:00:41.380 --> 02:00:42.220] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, fine, fine.
[02:00:42.440 --> 02:00:49.560] [EVILCORLEY]: So it'll start at about 9.08 and 41 seconds in the western sky.
[02:00:49.860 --> 02:00:54.080] [EVILCORLEY]: It'll peak in the north-northwestern sky at 9.11 and 36 seconds.
[02:00:54.220 --> 02:00:59.000] [EVILCORLEY]: It'll set in the northeast sky at 9.14 and 31 seconds.
[02:00:59.180 --> 02:01:00.680] [EVILCORLEY]: So that's all the information.
[02:01:00.840 --> 02:01:03.660] [EVILCORLEY]: And I just want to know if, you know, someone actually sees it.
[02:01:03.860 --> 02:01:04.820] [EVILCORLEY]: It'd be kind of cool.
[02:01:04.820 --> 02:01:06.540] [EVILCORLEY]: And right now, Alex, you're the best bet for that.
[02:01:07.060 --> 02:01:07.700] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, maybe.
[02:01:07.920 --> 02:01:09.120] [ALEXURBELS]: It is a little cloudy here, though.
[02:01:09.120 --> 02:01:10.680] [EVILCORLEY]: A little cloudy is not very cloudy.
[02:01:10.820 --> 02:01:12.280] [EVILCORLEY]: So, you know, you won't be able to see it.
[02:01:12.800 --> 02:01:13.120] [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah.
[02:01:13.240 --> 02:01:13.760] [ALEXURBELS]: Well, we'll see.
[02:01:13.900 --> 02:01:15.100] [ALEXURBELS]: I'll certainly run out.
[02:01:15.240 --> 02:01:19.420] [ALEXURBELS]: I think around 9.10 is probably when it would be heading towards where I could see it.
[02:01:19.440 --> 02:01:21.380] [ALEXURBELS]: I can't really see the western sky that well.
[02:01:21.620 --> 02:01:21.900] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[02:01:21.960 --> 02:01:23.740] [EVILCORLEY]: In three minutes, I expect to not see you here.
[02:01:24.400 --> 02:01:24.720] [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah.
[02:01:24.940 --> 02:01:25.140] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[02:01:25.400 --> 02:01:26.040] [EVILCORLEY]: Let's take this call.
[02:01:26.520 --> 02:01:26.880] [EVILCORLEY]: Good evening.
[02:01:34.820 --> 02:01:39.380] [SPEAKER_06]: What about the timing and the content of your recent announcement?
[02:01:39.380 --> 02:01:48.840] [SPEAKER_06]: And actually, the announcement that you put out today regarding the HOPE conference and some changes regarding some of your policies?
[02:01:49.540 --> 02:01:55.040] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, I wouldn't say we've changed our policies so much as we're just trying to make them clear.
[02:01:55.300 --> 02:01:59.620] [EVILCORLEY]: I mean, yeah, the policy has changed because the country has changed.
[02:01:59.620 --> 02:02:05.360] [EVILCORLEY]: So we are looking at things differently than we looked at them, say, four years ago when we had our last in-person conference.
[02:02:05.360 --> 02:02:07.860] [EVILCORLEY]: Was there a specific thing you wanted me to address?
[02:02:09.780 --> 02:02:12.080] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, more the timing, really.
[02:02:12.780 --> 02:02:17.820] [SPEAKER_06]: What, if anything, prompted that clarification of your policies?
[02:02:18.540 --> 02:02:23.760] [EVILCORLEY]: I don't think it was based on any specific incident or anything like that now.
[02:02:23.900 --> 02:02:27.700] [EVILCORLEY]: It obviously is based on the problems we had in 2018.
[02:02:29.460 --> 02:02:32.400] [EVILCORLEY]: And we did this now because we're about two months away.
[02:02:32.400 --> 02:02:37.880] [EVILCORLEY]: It's, you know, important to, uh, uh, to make these things clear for what, uh, people don't know what we're talking about.
[02:02:38.060 --> 02:02:54.520] [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, basically, uh, we, um, first of all, we acknowledged that, uh, we didn't do a very good job in 2018 because we were kind of caught unaware, uh, when, uh, when, when people tried to sabotage the conference and, um, just show up with, uh, intent to disrupt.
[02:02:54.760 --> 02:02:55.600] [EVILCORLEY]: And it worked.
[02:02:56.100 --> 02:03:00.900] [EVILCORLEY]: Um, we have ideas on ways to prevent that from happening again.
[02:03:01.580 --> 02:03:10.780] [EVILCORLEY]: And, um, I, I guess, you know, the most controversial thing we've said so far is that, um, MAGA hats are not the same as they were back then.
[02:03:10.820 --> 02:03:12.640] [EVILCORLEY]: Back then we thought, you know, people can wear MAGA hats.
[02:03:12.740 --> 02:03:12.860] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[02:03:12.900 --> 02:03:13.640] [EVILCORLEY]: Not a big deal.
[02:03:14.300 --> 02:03:22.320] [EVILCORLEY]: It's a big deal now because since then we've had an attempted, uh, um, storming of the Capitol, actually a successful storming of the Capitol.
[02:03:22.320 --> 02:03:28.740] [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, and, um, you know, that symbol means a lot to a lot of people.
[02:03:29.440 --> 02:03:32.660] [EVILCORLEY]: And in our particular case, it's a symbol we don't want to have around.
[02:03:32.740 --> 02:03:34.200] [EVILCORLEY]: We're just not comfortable with that.
[02:03:34.320 --> 02:03:36.500] [EVILCORLEY]: Our attendees have made it clear they're not comfortable with that.
[02:03:36.900 --> 02:03:39.280] [EVILCORLEY]: You know, just like, uh, having a swastika.
[02:03:39.420 --> 02:03:39.480] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[02:03:39.520 --> 02:03:44.980] [EVILCORLEY]: You have the right to have it, but it's not something that, uh, adds anything to the conference.
[02:03:44.980 --> 02:03:53.640] [EVILCORLEY]: And if, if it means that much to come to the conference, you know, with that particular symbol, you're not going to have fun and we're sure not going to have fun.
[02:03:54.060 --> 02:04:08.600] [EVILCORLEY]: And it's, it's, you know, people are free to be whoever they want to be, believe whatever they want to believe in, but we're also free to have a peaceful environment where people don't feel intimidated because somebody else feels they have to be loud and,
[02:04:08.760 --> 02:04:14.220] [EVILCORLEY]: uh, you know, show things that, um, are, are quite offensive to many people.
[02:04:14.720 --> 02:04:22.800] [EVILCORLEY]: And, you know, I know this is not going to be popular with everybody, uh, but we've talked about it with many, many people over the years and it's the right move.
[02:04:24.980 --> 02:04:27.220] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, it's certainly the, the right move.
[02:04:27.440 --> 02:04:51.100] [SPEAKER_06]: Um, I'm more wondering, uh, kind of about the timing, uh, specifically given that, uh, I am part of an organization that had been, uh, spending really the last four years asking you to clarify, uh, those policies and actually take a stand on those issues and address those incidents from 2018.
[02:04:52.320 --> 02:04:52.900] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[02:04:53.120 --> 02:04:54.340] [EVILCORLEY]: So we did.
[02:04:54.560 --> 02:04:58.920] [EVILCORLEY]: So, uh, did we, did we meet your, your, uh, expectations?
[02:05:00.360 --> 02:05:05.820] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, no, because you took four years to actually get around to addressing them.
[02:05:06.780 --> 02:05:07.420] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[02:05:07.760 --> 02:05:09.560] [SPEAKER_06]: And well, here's the thing.
[02:05:09.980 --> 02:05:11.760] [EVILCORLEY]: We're, we're, we're, we're volunteers.
[02:05:12.340 --> 02:05:14.500] [EVILCORLEY]: We're not running conferences for a living.
[02:05:14.980 --> 02:05:16.800] [EVILCORLEY]: We run them every couple of years.
[02:05:16.960 --> 02:05:19.080] [EVILCORLEY]: This time it was, it was, you know, four years.
[02:05:19.920 --> 02:05:22.100] [EVILCORLEY]: This is when we are coordinating our conference.
[02:05:22.680 --> 02:05:30.620] [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, we, we have volunteers that are talking about this, you know, uh, and, and I'm sorry, we, we don't talk about this constantly.
[02:05:31.060 --> 02:05:37.000] [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, this, we, we, when we're preparing another conference, that's when we, we have the conversations.
[02:05:37.000 --> 02:05:38.700] [EVILCORLEY]: That's when we make decisions.
[02:05:39.100 --> 02:05:40.360] [EVILCORLEY]: And this is a decision we made.
[02:05:40.460 --> 02:05:50.400] [EVILCORLEY]: I, I should, I, I should point out to you, we are, are being attacked quite a bit from people who are demanding that they should be able to wear MAGA hats to our conference.
[02:05:50.400 --> 02:05:55.360] [EVILCORLEY]: We're not seeing any support from people who are criticizing us for not doing this quickly enough.
[02:05:55.780 --> 02:05:59.180] [EVILCORLEY]: So, you know, I have to ask the people that have been insisting we do this.
[02:05:59.340 --> 02:06:04.540] [SPEAKER_06]: You are seeing criticism from people who think that you did not react quickly enough.
[02:06:04.700 --> 02:06:06.380] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, we're seeing criticism from everybody.
[02:06:06.380 --> 02:06:08.880] [EVILCORLEY]: We're seeing criticism from people that say we didn't act fast enough.
[02:06:09.040 --> 02:06:12.820] [EVILCORLEY]: We're seeing criticism of people who, who think we acted too rashly.
[02:06:12.820 --> 02:06:16.480] [EVILCORLEY]: We... I mean, at some point, we have to say the past is the past.
[02:06:16.660 --> 02:06:18.080] [EVILCORLEY]: How do we make the future better?
[02:06:18.440 --> 02:06:20.220] [EVILCORLEY]: You know, let's stop attacking each other.
[02:06:20.500 --> 02:06:33.440] [SPEAKER_06]: At some point, you have to consider which groups you are asking and even harassing to participate in your conferences before addressing their concerns.
[02:06:33.440 --> 02:06:36.080] [EVILCORLEY]: Who is harassing someone to participate in a conference?
[02:06:37.720 --> 02:06:38.720] [EVILCORLEY]: What does that even mean?
[02:06:38.720 --> 02:06:43.680] [SPEAKER_06]: You and your staff have been badgering my organization.
[02:06:43.680 --> 02:06:44.680] [EVILCORLEY]: What is your organization?
[02:06:45.000 --> 02:06:46.900] [SPEAKER_06]: To participate in TOOOL.
[02:06:47.660 --> 02:06:48.360] [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, TOOOL.
[02:06:49.760 --> 02:06:50.240] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[02:06:50.500 --> 02:06:52.740] [EVILCORLEY]: You know, you guys are filled with drama.
[02:06:53.000 --> 02:06:54.520] [EVILCORLEY]: I'm not going to get into this here.
[02:06:54.940 --> 02:06:56.340] [EVILCORLEY]: Nobody is harassing you.
[02:06:56.460 --> 02:06:59.740] [EVILCORLEY]: Somebody asked you, do you want to be a part of our conference?
[02:06:59.780 --> 02:07:01.040] [EVILCORLEY]: You want to run a lockpicking village?
[02:07:01.260 --> 02:07:05.200] [EVILCORLEY]: Hey, if that is harassment, I guarantee you will not be harassed again.
[02:07:05.200 --> 02:07:18.460] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, no, it's the asking us five times after we asked you to provide some assurance about our concerns that we have expressed very clearly to you.
[02:07:18.600 --> 02:07:18.800] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
[02:07:18.800 --> 02:07:22.880] [EVILCORLEY]: First of all, our attendees' concerns are paramount.
[02:07:23.000 --> 02:07:24.380] [EVILCORLEY]: Not some other organization.
[02:07:24.380 --> 02:07:25.340] [EVILCORLEY]: All right?
[02:07:25.720 --> 02:07:31.000] [EVILCORLEY]: And we have, you know, it's been front and center for years.
[02:07:31.420 --> 02:07:38.100] [EVILCORLEY]: You know, we are not going to be intimidated into, you know, answering other people's demands.
[02:07:38.740 --> 02:07:40.320] [EVILCORLEY]: Look, we said something.
[02:07:40.580 --> 02:07:41.620] [EVILCORLEY]: It's not good enough.
[02:07:41.620 --> 02:07:42.320] [EVILCORLEY]: I'm sorry.
[02:07:42.800 --> 02:07:44.000] [EVILCORLEY]: This is all we can do.
[02:07:44.080 --> 02:07:45.500] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, it's not that it's not good enough.
[02:07:45.500 --> 02:07:47.760] [SPEAKER_06]: It's that it's several years late.
[02:07:48.940 --> 02:07:49.360] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[02:07:49.360 --> 02:07:50.640] [EVILCORLEY]: So how do we make up for that then?
[02:07:50.940 --> 02:07:52.640] [EVILCORLEY]: Let's just assume that we agree on that.
[02:07:56.350 --> 02:07:56.870] [EVILCORLEY]: Nothing, huh?
[02:07:58.350 --> 02:08:01.930] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, that's on you to figure out.
[02:08:02.430 --> 02:08:07.410] [SPEAKER_06]: It's we asked you in the immediate aftermath of the incidents.
[02:08:07.730 --> 02:08:11.710] [EVILCORLEY]: It just doesn't seem like there's any way we can ever make this right with you.
[02:08:18.000 --> 02:08:19.820] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, give us some thought.
[02:08:19.820 --> 02:08:30.820] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, it's a thing where when we have asked you on the record repeatedly to address an issue and...
[02:08:31.600 --> 02:08:32.940] [SPEAKER_06]: First of all, I'm not sure...
[02:08:33.620 --> 02:08:37.420] [EVILCORLEY]: I've never gotten a request from your organization.
[02:08:37.660 --> 02:08:39.320] [EVILCORLEY]: So I'm not sure where you're asking.
[02:08:39.800 --> 02:08:44.640] [EVILCORLEY]: It might be in some social media environment that you think we're in it or not.
[02:08:44.640 --> 02:08:48.820] [EVILCORLEY]: Or maybe certain people are checking out, other people aren't.
[02:08:49.640 --> 02:08:52.340] [EVILCORLEY]: You know, we're not a professional organization.
[02:08:52.620 --> 02:08:54.720] [EVILCORLEY]: The conference is run by volunteers.
[02:08:55.320 --> 02:08:56.020] [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[02:08:56.140 --> 02:08:58.040] [EVILCORLEY]: And, you know, this isn't Starbucks.
[02:08:58.300 --> 02:09:00.960] [EVILCORLEY]: You can't ask for the manager and demand satisfaction.
[02:09:01.580 --> 02:09:03.100] [EVILCORLEY]: We do the best we can.
[02:09:03.360 --> 02:09:06.400] [EVILCORLEY]: And we have admitted repeatedly that we screwed up in 2018.
[02:09:08.640 --> 02:09:15.540] [EVILCORLEY]: And, you know, it takes time to assemble a team, to get people together, to figure out what the best way to...
[02:09:15.540 --> 02:09:18.500] [EVILCORLEY]: And this is with the world changing around us constantly.
[02:09:18.880 --> 02:09:23.160] [EVILCORLEY]: You know, we are in a totally different environment now than we were four years ago.
[02:09:23.920 --> 02:09:26.460] [EVILCORLEY]: It's just, you know, it's a lot.
[02:09:26.620 --> 02:09:29.140] [EVILCORLEY]: It's a lot for anyone to be able to handle.
[02:09:29.840 --> 02:09:31.720] [EVILCORLEY]: And we're certainly not alone in this.
[02:09:31.860 --> 02:09:35.740] [EVILCORLEY]: But, you know, like I said before, you're looking at this from one angle.
[02:09:35.880 --> 02:09:37.100] [EVILCORLEY]: There are multiple angles.
[02:09:37.360 --> 02:09:47.820] [EVILCORLEY]: We, you know, I would say 90% of the email I have seen today are people that are very angry that we are criticizing MAGA hats.
[02:09:47.980 --> 02:09:49.280] [EVILCORLEY]: These are attendees.
[02:09:49.760 --> 02:09:52.280] [EVILCORLEY]: These are people in the hacker community.
[02:09:52.800 --> 02:09:56.140] [EVILCORLEY]: And, you know, we have to answer them as well.
[02:09:56.720 --> 02:10:00.320] [EVILCORLEY]: It's, you know, and we have to organize a conference on top of that.
[02:10:00.560 --> 02:10:08.460] [EVILCORLEY]: You know, I don't think people realize, you know, for something that is a completely volunteer effort, how crazy this can drive people.
[02:10:08.580 --> 02:10:09.860] [EVILCORLEY]: Why would anybody want to do this?
[02:10:13.540 --> 02:10:21.060] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, I mean, speaking as a member and a leader of a all-volunteer organization, I can certainly sympathize.
[02:10:21.060 --> 02:10:37.840] [SPEAKER_06]: But at the same time, as a member and a leader of a all-volunteer organization that is being asked to contribute our volunteer labor to support your conference.
[02:10:38.860 --> 02:10:40.980] [EVILCORLEY]: No, we weren't asking you to contribute your labor.
[02:10:41.180 --> 02:10:47.340] [EVILCORLEY]: We're asking if you wanted a forum to speak, to share what you're up to, as we always have done.
[02:10:47.480 --> 02:10:49.880] [EVILCORLEY]: If it's an imposition, don't do it.
[02:10:49.940 --> 02:10:51.200] [EVILCORLEY]: You don't have to do that.
[02:10:51.760 --> 02:10:52.320] [EVILCORLEY]: You know?
[02:10:52.480 --> 02:10:56.140] [EVILCORLEY]: And I appreciate you guys are a volunteer organization, but boy, you're sure judgmental.
[02:10:56.260 --> 02:10:57.660] [EVILCORLEY]: You're always criticizing others.
[02:10:57.760 --> 02:11:02.300] [EVILCORLEY]: And I don't think you realize how much work other people are putting in.
[02:11:02.300 --> 02:11:03.240] [EVILCORLEY]: You know?
[02:11:03.480 --> 02:11:05.660] [EVILCORLEY]: And it's not easy at all.
[02:11:05.800 --> 02:11:08.320] [EVILCORLEY]: And yeah, people are fallible.
[02:11:08.540 --> 02:11:09.960] [EVILCORLEY]: They're going to make mistakes.
[02:11:09.960 --> 02:11:14.540] [EVILCORLEY]: And when they do, you should work with them to guide them to the right path.
[02:11:14.980 --> 02:11:21.820] [EVILCORLEY]: Because, you know, what we've been feeling from you guys over the years is just, you know, constant criticism and attacking and judging.
[02:11:22.680 --> 02:11:26.540] [EVILCORLEY]: You know, why would anybody want to participate in dialogue where that is the tone?
[02:11:26.540 --> 02:11:32.320] [EVILCORLEY]: You know, other people have reached out to us saying, look, this is what I think you can do better.
[02:11:32.540 --> 02:11:35.240] [EVILCORLEY]: This is how, you know, I think I can help.
[02:11:35.860 --> 02:11:37.620] [EVILCORLEY]: And it's just been a lot better.
[02:11:37.880 --> 02:11:41.300] [EVILCORLEY]: A lot more of a, you know, healthy dialogue.
[02:11:41.660 --> 02:11:42.900] [EVILCORLEY]: I'm all for that.
[02:11:43.060 --> 02:11:45.640] [EVILCORLEY]: You know, I'm not for the hostile dialogue.
[02:11:45.840 --> 02:11:54.340] [EVILCORLEY]: I'm for the, you know, even with people that I agree with virtually nothing, I still like to keep, you know, a positive outlook.
[02:11:54.340 --> 02:12:00.000] [EVILCORLEY]: So that at least when we walk away from the conversation, we can say, you know, I tried, or maybe I was heard.
[02:12:00.440 --> 02:12:02.160] [EVILCORLEY]: Or, you know, at least feel better.
[02:12:02.340 --> 02:12:10.440] [EVILCORLEY]: I don't want people to feel intimidated or worse, you know, when they're, you know, in a conversation like this.
[02:12:10.540 --> 02:12:12.200] [EVILCORLEY]: It's a conversation we all need to have.
[02:12:12.200 --> 02:12:13.380] [EVILCORLEY]: There's no question about that.
[02:12:14.740 --> 02:12:24.460] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, I mean, it's a conversation that we did try to approach very amicably and in a very supportive manner at the time.
[02:12:24.560 --> 02:12:26.700] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, I don't think that, I don't think that came through.
[02:12:26.920 --> 02:12:29.860] [EVILCORLEY]: I don't think that came, I think what people saw was a lot of judging.
[02:12:31.020 --> 02:12:45.340] [EVILCORLEY]: And, you know, I'm not sure why your organization in particular is the Ronan Farrow of the hacker community, but, you know, we're open to having conversations with all different organizations and groups and individuals.
[02:12:46.440 --> 02:12:51.880] [EVILCORLEY]: And all we ask is that, you know, people listen to each other and that nobody feels like they're being attacked.
[02:12:53.020 --> 02:12:56.900] [EVILCORLEY]: Obviously, we have to improve, but, damn it, we're trying.
[02:12:57.440 --> 02:12:58.560] [EVILCORLEY]: We are really trying.
[02:12:58.580 --> 02:13:00.300] [EVILCORLEY]: And today, we did something today.
[02:13:01.640 --> 02:13:07.380] [EVILCORLEY]: And, you know, it would be nice if somebody acknowledged that, just a little bit, you know.
[02:13:08.300 --> 02:13:15.700] [EVILCORLEY]: Instead, we're just getting, you know, you didn't do it soon enough, you didn't do it good enough, you did too much, you know, who are you to tell me what hat to wear?
[02:13:16.320 --> 02:13:18.660] [EVILCORLEY]: I mean, come on, this is, it's just insane.
[02:13:19.900 --> 02:13:21.440] [EVILCORLEY]: Why would we ever want to do this again?
[02:13:24.260 --> 02:13:25.780] [EVILCORLEY]: Hold on a second, Rob, do you have something?
[02:13:26.520 --> 02:13:37.540] [ROBVINCENT]: Yeah, I just, I get the feeling about this, that this is stuff that's been piling up and festering and just causing more and more bad feelings on every side of everything.
[02:13:38.640 --> 02:13:45.880] [ROBVINCENT]: And, you know, I very much appreciate you calling with this, because it is a step in just having a dialogue.
[02:13:45.880 --> 02:13:57.020] [ROBVINCENT]: But if we're going to have that dialogue, I think we need to have that dialogue with a forward-looking perspective, rather than trying to make things right from the past that cannot be made right.
[02:13:57.160 --> 02:13:59.440] [ROBVINCENT]: We cannot go back in time and make this announcement sooner.
[02:13:59.660 --> 02:14:04.320] [ROBVINCENT]: We cannot go back in time and make things happen differently than they did.
[02:14:05.140 --> 02:14:10.960] [ROBVINCENT]: What we can do is look at where we are now, where we're going, how we're all going to go forward with this.
[02:14:11.460 --> 02:14:15.620] [ROBVINCENT]: And I think if that's going to happen, it has to happen in a constructive manner.
[02:14:15.620 --> 02:14:22.580] [ROBVINCENT]: It has to happen in a manner that is not attacking people for things that cannot be fixed, because they are in the past and the past is finished happening.
[02:14:23.100 --> 02:14:26.140] [ROBVINCENT]: I think we all need to move forward on this.
[02:14:26.260 --> 02:14:28.500] [ROBVINCENT]: And I think today's announcement was a step in that.
[02:14:28.620 --> 02:14:30.140] [ROBVINCENT]: And I think this call was a step in that.
[02:14:30.200 --> 02:14:40.420] [ROBVINCENT]: And I think if we can all get together and continue stepping forward on this without trying to bite one another's heads off, I think this will go a lot better for everybody, everybody concerned.
[02:14:40.420 --> 02:14:50.480] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, if I could just point in, you know, we have been having dialogue, you know, in various ways over the years with different people on the radio, in person, through the magazine.
[02:14:50.940 --> 02:14:56.700] [EVILCORLEY]: You know, I don't know why that doesn't count, you know, because we're not having dialogue with a particular group.
[02:14:56.880 --> 02:14:57.760] [EVILCORLEY]: We're having no dialogue.
[02:14:57.900 --> 02:14:58.800] [EVILCORLEY]: That is not accurate.
[02:14:59.280 --> 02:15:03.880] [EVILCORLEY]: You know, it's and we're, you know, a lot of different people with a lot of different views.
[02:15:04.400 --> 02:15:07.080] [EVILCORLEY]: We have to figure out where we're coming from as an organization.
[02:15:07.160 --> 02:15:09.240] [EVILCORLEY]: That takes time, you know.
[02:15:09.240 --> 02:15:13.780] [EVILCORLEY]: And this is not something where you can just snap your fingers and expect people to respond.
[02:15:15.120 --> 02:15:16.860] [EVILCORLEY]: People spread all over the world.
[02:15:17.560 --> 02:15:21.580] [EVILCORLEY]: Some of them are completely wiped out from all the work they've been doing.
[02:15:22.480 --> 02:15:24.740] [EVILCORLEY]: So it's an ongoing process.
[02:15:25.000 --> 02:15:26.460] [EVILCORLEY]: It's nothing simple.
[02:15:27.260 --> 02:15:27.520] [EVILCORLEY]: Yes, Rob.
[02:15:27.580 --> 02:15:35.960] [ROBVINCENT]: This is also a conversation that, you know, today we made the public announcement, but like behind the scenes, we have been talking about this since 2018.
[02:15:36.020 --> 02:15:39.060] [ROBVINCENT]: We have been trying to figure out the best way forward on this.
[02:15:39.060 --> 02:15:43.080] [ROBVINCENT]: We have been trying to deal with things in the most constructive ways that we know how.
[02:15:43.740 --> 02:15:45.320] [ROBVINCENT]: We even had a conference, too.
[02:15:45.500 --> 02:15:46.740] [EVILCORLEY]: We had a conference in 2020.
[02:15:46.740 --> 02:15:47.480] [EVILCORLEY]: Don't forget that.
[02:15:47.540 --> 02:15:50.700] [EVILCORLEY]: An online conference that went very smoothly, by the way.
[02:15:50.840 --> 02:15:54.240] [EVILCORLEY]: And there can be a lot of bad stuff that goes on online, in case you didn't hear.
[02:15:54.780 --> 02:16:02.020] [ROBVINCENT]: But I just don't want to put forward the illusion that, like, we put this down and then didn't do anything with it until now.
[02:16:02.280 --> 02:16:04.360] [ROBVINCENT]: Like, this has been in the works.
[02:16:04.360 --> 02:16:06.260] [ROBVINCENT]: This has been being chewed over.
[02:16:06.260 --> 02:16:13.700] [ROBVINCENT]: This has been at the forefront of a lot of our minds and hearts and, you know, stress levels since it happened.
[02:16:18.160 --> 02:16:19.360] [EVILCORLEY]: And anything else, caller?
[02:16:21.420 --> 02:16:22.500] [EVILCORLEY]: Not at the moment, no.
[02:16:22.780 --> 02:16:23.080] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[02:16:23.240 --> 02:16:26.240] [EVILCORLEY]: Well, listen, we do appreciate you bringing this up.
[02:16:26.340 --> 02:16:28.860] [EVILCORLEY]: And, you know, we admire the work you guys do.
[02:16:28.860 --> 02:16:31.860] [EVILCORLEY]: We're sorry that things have not been great.
[02:16:33.440 --> 02:16:35.900] [EVILCORLEY]: And, you know, we look forward to things being better.
[02:16:36.160 --> 02:16:37.380] [EVILCORLEY]: They can't get any worse.
[02:16:39.820 --> 02:16:40.980] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, we'll see.
[02:16:41.440 --> 02:16:41.880] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[02:16:42.200 --> 02:16:43.020] [SPEAKER_06]: All depends on COVID.
[02:16:43.340 --> 02:16:44.320] [EVILCORLEY]: All right, all right.
[02:16:44.360 --> 02:16:45.140] [EVILCORLEY]: Let's hope they don't get worse.
[02:16:45.760 --> 02:16:46.260] [EVILCORLEY]: Good night.
[02:16:48.040 --> 02:16:49.960] [EVILCORLEY]: Alex, did you see the damn space station?
[02:16:50.060 --> 02:16:51.360] [EVILCORLEY]: Did you sit inside and listen to that?
[02:16:52.660 --> 02:16:55.780] [ALEXURBELS]: Well, I have to say, I was... I got distracted.
[02:16:55.980 --> 02:16:56.320] [ALEXURBELS]: Damn it!
[02:16:57.180 --> 02:16:59.680] [ALEXURBELS]: And so I ran out at 914.
[02:17:00.000 --> 02:17:00.340] [SPEAKER_11]: Oh, you did?
[02:17:00.480 --> 02:17:00.600] [SPEAKER_11]: Okay.
[02:17:01.900 --> 02:17:02.320] [SPEAKER_11]: 914?
[02:17:02.900 --> 02:17:04.440] [SPEAKER_11]: That's when it was disappearing.
[02:17:04.880 --> 02:17:06.000] [SPEAKER_11]: It's not going to wait for you.
[02:17:06.000 --> 02:17:07.040] [SPEAKER_11]: It's the space station.
[02:17:07.220 --> 02:17:11.640] [ALEXURBELS]: I had an external listening party remind me to go outside.
[02:17:13.640 --> 02:17:18.460] [ALEXURBELS]: And I went outside, I ran out there, and it was too cloudy to see anything.
[02:17:18.680 --> 02:17:20.280] [EVILCORLEY]: It was also too late to see anything.
[02:17:20.820 --> 02:17:21.240] [ALEXURBELS]: Possibly.
[02:17:21.800 --> 02:17:23.260] [EVILCORLEY]: Tell yourself it was too cloudy.
[02:17:23.520 --> 02:17:25.240] [EVILCORLEY]: If that helps you sleep, go ahead.
[02:17:25.560 --> 02:17:27.100] [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah, it definitely does.
[02:17:27.320 --> 02:17:27.460] [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[02:17:27.500 --> 02:17:28.360] [EVILCORLEY]: No, we're not taking more calls.
[02:17:28.620 --> 02:17:29.960] [EVILCORLEY]: It's an hour and a half.
[02:17:30.120 --> 02:17:31.700] [ALEXURBELS]: I have to take one more call after that.
[02:17:32.020 --> 02:17:32.820] [ALEXURBELS]: That's a...
[02:17:32.820 --> 02:17:33.460] [ALEXURBELS]: One more call?
[02:17:33.540 --> 02:17:34.700] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, but it can't be a long call.
[02:17:37.120 --> 02:17:38.600] [ALEXURBELS]: I'm hoping for Rebel again.
[02:17:38.720 --> 02:17:39.800] [EVILCORLEY]: It's Rebel again.
[02:17:40.300 --> 02:17:43.540] [EVILCORLEY]: If it's Rebel again, Rebel is banned from the next show.
[02:17:43.680 --> 02:17:47.420] [EVILCORLEY]: So if Rebel is listening, maybe he should consider...
[02:17:47.420 --> 02:17:48.340] [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, see, it stopped ringing.
[02:17:50.060 --> 02:17:51.040] [EVILCORLEY]: Or did you pick up?
[02:17:51.480 --> 02:17:52.240] [EVILCORLEY]: You picked up?
[02:17:52.540 --> 02:17:53.680] [EVILCORLEY]: You can talk, Kyle.
[02:17:53.860 --> 02:17:54.600] [EVILCORLEY]: You don't have to just nod.
[02:17:54.840 --> 02:17:55.440] [EVILCORLEY]: You picked up?
[02:17:55.960 --> 02:17:56.360] [KYLEDROSDK]: Yes.
[02:17:56.620 --> 02:17:56.780] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[02:17:57.020 --> 02:17:57.500] [EVILCORLEY]: Thank you.
[02:17:58.100 --> 02:17:58.740] [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead.
[02:17:58.880 --> 02:17:59.440] [EVILCORLEY]: You're on the air.
[02:17:59.980 --> 02:18:00.840] [EVILCORLEY]: Or on...
[02:18:00.840 --> 02:18:01.960] [REBEL_RICH]: I'm calling from my laptop.
[02:18:01.960 --> 02:18:06.140] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, okay, but that still counts, Rebel, as you calling, you know?
[02:18:06.260 --> 02:18:07.560] [SPEAKER_12]: How does Google voice sound?
[02:18:08.860 --> 02:18:11.080] [EVILCORLEY]: It sounds intrusive, like it always does.
[02:18:11.480 --> 02:18:12.520] [SPEAKER_12]: Sounds like you're on the other side.
[02:18:12.540 --> 02:18:13.840] [SPEAKER_12]: It's like being an operator, you know?
[02:18:13.960 --> 02:18:15.400] [SPEAKER_12]: No, it's not like being an operator.
[02:18:16.300 --> 02:18:18.300] [EVILCORLEY]: It's like being in a circle of hell.
[02:18:18.640 --> 02:18:20.660] [KYLEDROSDK]: Sounds like he's on the other side of a table or something.
[02:18:22.640 --> 02:18:23.480] [EVILCORLEY]: I need a drink.
[02:18:23.940 --> 02:18:24.840] [EVILCORLEY]: I need a drink.
[02:18:24.980 --> 02:18:26.680] [EVILCORLEY]: I gotta just...
[02:18:28.300 --> 02:18:30.140] [EVILCORLEY]: I gotta talk to the heavens.
[02:18:30.400 --> 02:18:31.560] [KYLEDROSDK]: That was a good test, though, Rebel.
[02:18:31.560 --> 02:18:33.860] [KYLEDROSDK]: And we'll catch up with you next week.
[02:18:34.040 --> 02:18:35.740] [KYLEDROSDK]: We'll test your Skype line again.
[02:18:36.140 --> 02:18:37.520] [KYLEDROSDK]: Or the week after.
[02:18:38.100 --> 02:18:38.440] [KYLEDROSDK]: Maybe...
[02:18:38.440 --> 02:18:40.200] [KYLEDROSDK]: No, next week, because I'm not on this week.
[02:18:40.200 --> 02:18:57.260] [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, and I should point out again, because I forgot, that the deadline to submit speaker talks, if you don't feel like it's too much of a harassment to tell you this, is the 31st of May, which is two weeks from yesterday, right?
[02:18:57.300 --> 02:18:59.120] [EVILCORLEY]: Because two weeks from today is the 1st of June.
[02:18:59.680 --> 02:19:05.820] [EVILCORLEY]: So, two weeks from yesterday is the deadline to submit your talk idea, your panel idea.
[02:19:06.640 --> 02:19:08.600] [EVILCORLEY]: I believe workshops as well.
[02:19:08.760 --> 02:19:12.100] [EVILCORLEY]: We'll be posting something like that on the... about that on the Hope.net website.
[02:19:12.380 --> 02:19:23.720] [EVILCORLEY]: So, yeah, if you're thinking of giving a talk or some kind of panel discussion or just anything that you think a bunch of hackers would be interested in, by all means, submit it.
[02:19:24.200 --> 02:19:28.220] [EVILCORLEY]: Speakers at Hope.net, workshops at Hope.net, some of the addresses we have.
[02:19:28.740 --> 02:19:31.940] [EVILCORLEY]: Website www.hope.net with all the information.
[02:19:32.280 --> 02:19:34.320] [EVILCORLEY]: And, of course, we'll be sending out announcements about this as well.
[02:19:34.420 --> 02:19:36.240] [EVILCORLEY]: Any closing thoughts from anybody else?
[02:19:36.300 --> 02:19:38.740] [EVILCORLEY]: Because I'm about to run out of things to say.
[02:19:38.820 --> 02:19:39.020] [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead.
[02:19:39.580 --> 02:19:47.040] [ALEXURBELS]: I was just hoping that before we signed off for the evening, somebody could reread that URL to the Zoom meeting.
[02:19:47.520 --> 02:19:48.460] [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, you know what?
[02:19:48.740 --> 02:19:49.400] [EVILCORLEY]: I can curse.
[02:19:49.400 --> 02:19:50.000] [EVILCORLEY]: I missed it.
[02:19:50.120 --> 02:19:50.700] [EVILCORLEY]: I started getting confused.
[02:19:50.700 --> 02:19:51.020] [EVILCORLEY]: I can...
[02:19:51.020 --> 02:19:52.580] [EVILCORLEY]: We're just online, Alex.
[02:19:52.720 --> 02:19:53.480] [EVILCORLEY]: I can curse.
[02:19:53.680 --> 02:19:54.560] [EVILCORLEY]: I want to curse.
[02:19:54.700 --> 02:19:55.700] [EVILCORLEY]: I'm not going to curse.
[02:19:56.500 --> 02:20:02.200] [EVILCORLEY]: But believe me, in my mind, I am cursing right now for you, suggesting that.
[02:20:02.480 --> 02:20:06.780] [ALEXURBELS]: How about just after the first capital O, that's where I got me to?
[02:20:06.860 --> 02:20:11.860] [EVILCORLEY]: How about you go outside again and look for the space station, which is not showing up, and just stand there until it does?
[02:20:12.160 --> 02:20:13.020] [EVILCORLEY]: In the rain.
[02:20:15.280 --> 02:20:16.660] [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, I need these two weeks.
[02:20:16.680 --> 02:20:17.980] [EVILCORLEY]: I need these two weeks.
[02:20:18.080 --> 02:20:18.520] [EVILCORLEY]: I really do.
[02:20:19.100 --> 02:20:23.560] [ROBVINCENT]: Before we go, I do want to mention, we were talking earlier about the 800 number and how useful that is.
[02:20:23.640 --> 02:20:36.160] [ROBVINCENT]: I just want to thank again our pal, Lucky225, who set that up for us and generously has been maintaining it this whole time, like over a year now, just for the benefit of our callers, like the one we had today, who makes use of it.
[02:20:36.540 --> 02:20:56.520] [ROBVINCENT]: I also want to quickly mention that the United States Postal Service is once again sending around free test kits, free home test kits, you can get eight of them sent to you if you go to special.usps.com slash test kits, and you can sign up and get eight new tests shipped to you for free,
[02:20:56.560 --> 02:20:59.440] [ROBVINCENT]: and they're terribly useful things, as I'm sure we all know by now.
[02:20:59.620 --> 02:21:00.980] [EVILCORLEY]: And that way you can say, hey, guess what?
[02:21:01.040 --> 02:21:01.820] [EVILCORLEY]: I got COVID again.
[02:21:02.180 --> 02:21:03.520] [EVILCORLEY]: And let all your friends know.
[02:21:04.760 --> 02:21:08.420] [EVILCORLEY]: I have to resupply because, yeah, I'm sure I'm going to get it again.
[02:21:09.020 --> 02:21:17.260] [KYLEDROSDK]: I just, can I just end, this is my thought on some of our conversation here tonight and the conference.
[02:21:17.440 --> 02:21:23.700] [KYLEDROSDK]: We've been talking a lot about what we've been doing collectively and made announcements and stuff.
[02:21:24.340 --> 02:21:31.240] [KYLEDROSDK]: I want to know what the f*ck you are doing, everyone out there, to make hope better.
[02:21:32.620 --> 02:21:34.220] [EVILCORLEY]: You just wanted to curse on the air.
[02:21:34.420 --> 02:21:34.780] [KYLEDROSDK]: I did.
[02:21:35.500 --> 02:21:36.440] [EVILCORLEY]: I'd say the f*ck word.
[02:21:36.640 --> 02:21:37.200] [EVILCORLEY]: All right, all right.
[02:21:37.200 --> 02:21:37.700] [EVILCORLEY]: You know what?
[02:21:37.820 --> 02:21:39.060] [EVILCORLEY]: This is spiraling.
[02:21:39.320 --> 02:21:39.440] [EVILCORLEY]: Wait, who's the f*ck word?
[02:21:39.560 --> 02:21:40.080] [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, my God.
[02:21:40.140 --> 02:21:40.680] [EVILCORLEY]: I'm not going to do it.
[02:21:40.760 --> 02:21:41.700] [EVILCORLEY]: I am not going to do it.
[02:21:42.140 --> 02:21:43.020] [EVILCORLEY]: I'll do it in person.
[02:21:43.440 --> 02:21:44.620] [EVILCORLEY]: No, I'll do it in person.
[02:21:45.260 --> 02:21:51.800] [EVILCORLEY]: Because what happens is it winds up, there's a recording of you saying it, and then people spread it around, and it becomes a meme.
[02:21:52.600 --> 02:21:54.760] [EVILCORLEY]: And that's not what I want to become a meme for.
[02:21:56.900 --> 02:21:58.400] [GILADRAZEN]: What do you want to become a meme for?
[02:21:59.360 --> 02:22:00.100] [EVILCORLEY]: I don't know yet.
[02:22:01.240 --> 02:22:01.660] [EVILCORLEY]: Damn it.
[02:22:01.760 --> 02:22:01.860] [EVILCORLEY]: There.
[02:22:01.940 --> 02:22:02.460] [EVILCORLEY]: I'll go that far.
[02:22:02.520 --> 02:22:03.340] [EVILCORLEY]: That's as far as I'm going.
[02:22:05.060 --> 02:22:05.800] [EVILCORLEY]: Folks, good night.
[02:22:05.800 --> 02:22:10.380] [EVILCORLEY]: Great seeing you all, and yeah, we'll be back in two weeks, God willing.
[02:22:12.120 --> 02:22:12.740] [EVILCORLEY]: Good night.
[02:22:13.560 --> 02:22:14.100] [ALEXURBELS]: Good night.