[00:00.000 --> 00:05.920] [SPEAKER_00]: ...that comes from a radio station like WBAI is clearly, clearly invaluable.
[00:06.620 --> 00:08.740] [SPEAKER_00]: And we need to keep this going on.
[00:08.920 --> 00:19.380] [SPEAKER_00]: And once again, that number again is 833-WBAI-NYC or 833-922-4692.
[00:19.860 --> 00:21.480] [SPEAKER_00]: Off The Hook is coming up.
[00:21.500 --> 00:22.880] [SPEAKER_00]: It is 7 p.m. and this is WBAI New York.
[01:17.390 --> 01:20.390] [SPEAKER_09]: Thank you for listening to Off The Hook.
[03:09.160 --> 03:10.940] [SPEAKER_20]: And a very good evening to everybody.
[03:11.020 --> 03:15.760] [SPEAKER_20]: The program is Off The Hook here on WBAI.
[03:16.100 --> 03:19.620] [SPEAKER_20]: This is Emmanuel Goldstein, joined tonight by Kyle.
[03:20.100 --> 03:21.280] [SPEAKER_13]: Uh, yes, hello.
[03:21.520 --> 03:23.060] [SPEAKER_13]: Hi, everyone, and happy Halloween.
[03:23.340 --> 03:25.240] [SPEAKER_20]: Okay, let me just stop you right there, Kyle.
[03:25.320 --> 03:26.780] [SPEAKER_20]: This is not that kind of a radio program.
[03:26.780 --> 03:30.240] [SPEAKER_20]: We are trying to do a serious job here.
[03:30.580 --> 03:36.180] [SPEAKER_20]: Uh, you apparently fixed some kind of robot or something, and, um, uh, yeah.
[03:36.500 --> 03:37.700] [SPEAKER_20]: A normal voice, maybe?
[03:38.160 --> 03:38.840] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm here.
[03:38.980 --> 03:39.900] [SPEAKER_20]: Oh, okay, good, good.
[03:40.280 --> 03:41.180] [SPEAKER_20]: That's all I ask.
[03:41.420 --> 03:44.260] [SPEAKER_20]: Uh, out there in Skype-land, we have Rob T. Firefly.
[03:45.180 --> 03:46.000] [SPEAKER_18]: Good evening.
[03:46.340 --> 03:46.960] [SPEAKER_20]: Welcome back.
[03:47.120 --> 03:48.100] [SPEAKER_20]: We have, uh, Gila.
[03:48.840 --> 03:49.600] [SPEAKER_20]: Good evening.
[03:49.920 --> 03:50.680] [SPEAKER_20]: Also welcome back.
[03:50.860 --> 03:52.720] [SPEAKER_20]: And we have Alex.
[03:53.340 --> 03:54.220] [SPEAKER_02]: You do indeed.
[03:54.220 --> 03:54.880] [SPEAKER_02]: Good evening.
[03:54.880 --> 03:55.300] [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome.
[03:55.840 --> 04:09.580] [SPEAKER_20]: Well, uh, tonight is a very important, um, night for WBAI, uh, because we are in the middle of a phone drive, and I know you've heard that sentence many, many times over the years, but this is different.
[04:09.700 --> 04:10.100] [SPEAKER_20]: This is different.
[04:10.220 --> 04:20.860] [SPEAKER_20]: We have, uh, a whole new cast of characters here, uh, who are really, really, um, uh, working their tails off to get this place back into shape, and they are doing a tremendous job.
[04:21.020 --> 04:26.080] [SPEAKER_20]: It's, it's, the spirit here has just been incredible, uh, over the past couple of months.
[04:26.380 --> 04:33.160] [SPEAKER_20]: Uh, and what we have tonight is a part of a fun drive that is only lasting, I think it's less than a week.
[04:33.940 --> 04:35.200] [SPEAKER_20]: And here's the thing.
[04:35.320 --> 04:40.240] [SPEAKER_20]: Instead of sounding like the Home Shopping Network, uh, we are going to be just very upfront and honest with you.
[04:40.520 --> 04:43.840] [SPEAKER_20]: Um, we need your support to keep the radio station going.
[04:44.520 --> 04:47.620] [SPEAKER_20]: And what you get out of that is the radio station.
[04:47.620 --> 04:51.900] [SPEAKER_20]: What you get out of that are programs like Off The Hook and so many others.
[04:52.120 --> 05:04.420] [SPEAKER_20]: If you just listen to 99.5 FM in New York City, you will be treated to a plethora of viewpoints and opinions, music, um, um, culture, all sorts of things.
[05:04.800 --> 05:07.000] [SPEAKER_20]: Um, 24 hours a day, seven days a week.
[05:07.320 --> 05:08.920] [SPEAKER_20]: That is the premium.
[05:09.180 --> 05:11.200] [SPEAKER_20]: That is what it's all about.
[05:11.580 --> 05:17.620] [SPEAKER_20]: Please support us so that we can continue to be on the air talking about all sorts of things.
[05:17.700 --> 05:19.100] [SPEAKER_20]: In our case, we talk about technology.
[05:19.100 --> 05:21.680] [SPEAKER_20]: We talk about, um, the latest in hacking.
[05:21.840 --> 05:28.900] [SPEAKER_20]: We talk about privacy, consumer affairs, you name it, anything having to do with a telephone or a computer we are interested in.
[05:29.320 --> 05:31.720] [SPEAKER_20]: Phone number is, and this is cool.
[05:31.900 --> 05:41.660] [SPEAKER_20]: We even have a new phone number 833, which is a toll free area code, by the way, 833 WBAI NYC.
[05:42.420 --> 05:43.720] [SPEAKER_20]: How cool is that?
[05:43.860 --> 05:44.040] [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah.
[05:44.540 --> 05:46.780] [SPEAKER_20]: 833 WBAI NYC.
[05:46.840 --> 05:51.600] [SPEAKER_20]: Now, if you don't have, uh, letters on your phone, get a new phone if you don't have letters on your phone.
[05:51.700 --> 05:54.120] [SPEAKER_20]: But if you don't, um, I'll help you out here.
[05:54.240 --> 05:57.020] [SPEAKER_20]: 833 922 4692.
[05:57.840 --> 05:59.440] [SPEAKER_20]: 833 922 4692.
[05:59.800 --> 06:01.640] [SPEAKER_20]: Now you even get a human, you might get voicemail.
[06:01.720 --> 06:04.320] [SPEAKER_20]: If you get voicemail, simply leave information to be called back.
[06:04.520 --> 06:06.160] [SPEAKER_20]: Uh, and, uh, you will be.
[06:06.340 --> 06:09.360] [SPEAKER_20]: And, um, we're asking people to become WBAI buddies.
[06:09.380 --> 06:16.320] [SPEAKER_20]: What a WBAI buddy is, is somebody who pledges a set amount every month, can be as, as small or as big as you wish it to be.
[06:16.600 --> 06:22.220] [SPEAKER_20]: And what happens is in 12 months, well, that, that figure is 12 times what it is you're pledging.
[06:22.260 --> 06:23.240] [SPEAKER_20]: And it's really awesome.
[06:23.480 --> 06:27.980] [SPEAKER_20]: And it's one of the, the main sources of our budget right now.
[06:27.980 --> 06:36.640] [SPEAKER_20]: So please, um, uh, help us out by either calling 833 922 4692 833 WBAI NYC, or going to the website.
[06:36.880 --> 06:42.940] [SPEAKER_20]: And this is also new buddy.wbai.org buddy.wbai.org.
[06:43.280 --> 06:49.000] [SPEAKER_20]: On that site, you'll find all kinds of information on how, uh, you can pledge a particular amount each month.
[06:49.240 --> 06:57.740] [SPEAKER_20]: And, um, um, please tell your friends again, this is only happening for a few days and it will determine, and you might've heard this on, on some other programs.
[06:57.860 --> 07:10.980] [SPEAKER_20]: It will determine how this radio station survives into the future, or if it survives into the future, not to sound too dire, but it's, um, it's really important that we have enough money to pay the bills.
[07:11.140 --> 07:12.280] [SPEAKER_20]: We don't have commercials.
[07:12.740 --> 07:16.220] [SPEAKER_20]: We, um, uh, don't really have many sources of funding.
[07:16.620 --> 07:22.860] [SPEAKER_20]: Our listeners are pretty much the only investors that we have, and it's operated that way since 1960.
[07:23.340 --> 07:30.040] [SPEAKER_20]: We hope it can operate that way until 2060 because this kind of radio is very much alive.
[07:30.320 --> 07:34.600] [SPEAKER_20]: This kind of radio is what true listeners appreciate.
[07:35.000 --> 07:35.440] [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah.
[07:35.500 --> 07:43.000] [SPEAKER_20]: If you turn on, you know, uh, the top 40 station, uh, or the easy listening station, uh, it's background music.
[07:43.000 --> 07:45.520] [SPEAKER_20]: You have it on, you know, just to calm your nerves.
[07:45.600 --> 07:52.180] [SPEAKER_20]: And I understand that WBAI maybe won't calm your and, uh, but it will also make you think.
[07:52.540 --> 07:58.520] [SPEAKER_20]: And these days we need thinking people to be out there, to be debating, discussing.
[07:59.240 --> 08:05.060] [SPEAKER_20]: And, um, when we have a listener to our radio station, they tend to stick around.
[08:05.380 --> 08:06.220] [SPEAKER_20]: They tend to engage.
[08:06.520 --> 08:10.060] [SPEAKER_20]: They tend to either agree passionately or disagree passionately.
[08:10.320 --> 08:14.880] [SPEAKER_20]: We, we like both because it's the conversation that makes things interesting.
[08:15.160 --> 08:25.660] [SPEAKER_20]: Now, what we're going to have in the background, um, uh, during this one hour that we are on, uh, is, um, uh, part of a clip show that we put together on our 20th anniversary.
[08:25.720 --> 08:32.300] [SPEAKER_20]: And this is going to make us seem really ancient, uh, because this show aired in 2008.
[08:33.000 --> 08:33.400] [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah.
[08:33.480 --> 08:34.980] [SPEAKER_20]: And that was our 20th anniversary.
[08:35.100 --> 08:39.300] [SPEAKER_20]: So, uh, you can imagine how close we're getting to our 40th anniversary at this point.
[08:39.520 --> 08:44.880] [SPEAKER_20]: Um, we're just going to step back in, in, in time for a moment, uh, and, and just step away for a second.
[08:45.180 --> 08:50.900] [SPEAKER_20]: Uh, but we'll be, um, we'll be cutting in and out of this, um, uh, this, this special piece that we put together.
[08:53.540 --> 08:56.180] [SPEAKER_19]: So what you may ask is this program all about?
[08:56.400 --> 09:10.820] [SPEAKER_19]: Well, we come here and we discuss technology, technology, uh, gone astray, technology, run them up technology, perhaps turning upon its masters kind of thing that happens all the time.
[09:11.040 --> 09:15.440] [SPEAKER_19]: And, uh, the kind of thing that computer hackers, among many others have a handle on.
[09:15.800 --> 09:27.060] [SPEAKER_19]: That's why there's much we can learn through the world of hacking, through the world of telephone phreaks, and just general education, something that, uh, there is certainly a lack of these days.
[09:27.740 --> 09:30.220] [SPEAKER_19]: Technology wise, we can't figure out how to make phone calls.
[09:30.300 --> 09:32.880] [SPEAKER_19]: We can't figure out how to get our own credit reports.
[09:33.020 --> 09:35.680] [SPEAKER_19]: We don't know what's in computer files about us.
[09:36.880 --> 09:38.000] [SPEAKER_19]: We know very little.
[09:38.420 --> 09:39.700] [SPEAKER_06]: AT&T, how can we help you?
[09:39.960 --> 09:42.260] [SPEAKER_19]: Hi, I'm trying to find out an area code.
[09:42.460 --> 09:44.800] [SPEAKER_19]: Um, I believe it's in California.
[09:45.700 --> 09:48.680] [SPEAKER_19]: And the name is Drake's Bad.
[09:49.160 --> 09:50.220] [SPEAKER_06]: The area code there?
[09:50.440 --> 09:52.000] [SPEAKER_06]: You, uh, Drake's Bad, California?
[09:52.220 --> 09:52.520] [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah.
[09:52.900 --> 09:53.600] [SPEAKER_04]: Have you ever heard of that?
[09:54.000 --> 09:54.880] [SPEAKER_06]: Uh, I'll check it for you.
[09:54.980 --> 09:55.260] [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.
[09:56.380 --> 09:57.640] [SPEAKER_06]: D-R-A-K-E-S?
[09:57.980 --> 10:01.340] [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah, uh, and a contraction across the F-E-S.
[10:01.340 --> 10:02.180] [SPEAKER_06]: I have a lot of Drake's.
[10:02.360 --> 10:03.340] [SPEAKER_20]: You have a lot of Drake's?
[10:03.420 --> 10:04.840] [SPEAKER_06]: You have Drake's Bad, number one.
[10:04.980 --> 10:05.980] [SPEAKER_06]: Drake's Bad, number two.
[10:06.120 --> 10:06.940] [SPEAKER_06]: Drake's Bad, number three.
[10:06.940 --> 10:07.860] [SPEAKER_06]: All the way up to nine.
[10:08.360 --> 10:09.180] [SPEAKER_04]: All the way up to nine.
[10:09.260 --> 10:10.660] [SPEAKER_04]: I wonder which one I need, uh...
[10:10.660 --> 10:12.280] [SPEAKER_06]: You have them all the way up to number 17.
[10:12.780 --> 10:13.080] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh-oh.
[10:13.560 --> 10:15.020] [SPEAKER_06]: Got them up to, uh, 25.
[10:16.300 --> 10:17.840] [SPEAKER_06]: They're all the same area code, 916.
[10:18.000 --> 10:18.860] [SPEAKER_20]: Oh, they're all 916.
[10:19.600 --> 10:19.880] [SPEAKER_20]: Okay.
[10:20.460 --> 10:21.460] [SPEAKER_06]: All right, what is that?
[10:21.500 --> 10:22.620] [SPEAKER_06]: A special kind of, uh...
[10:22.620 --> 10:26.400] [SPEAKER_19]: Well, I thought it was, it was just a place, but apparently there's, uh, how many of them did you say?
[10:26.940 --> 10:27.940] [SPEAKER_19]: I guess there's a lot of them.
[10:28.020 --> 10:29.620] [SPEAKER_06]: You have a listing up to number 36.
[10:29.620 --> 10:29.700] [SPEAKER_06]: 36.
[10:30.000 --> 10:31.140] [SPEAKER_04]: Up to number 36.
[10:31.280 --> 10:33.820] [SPEAKER_06]: It makes bad number 1, number 2, all the way up to 36.
[10:34.600 --> 10:36.540] [SPEAKER_04]: Boy, I guess they ran out of names for cities, eh?
[10:36.800 --> 10:37.460] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, right.
[10:38.100 --> 10:38.900] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, thanks for that.
[10:39.120 --> 10:39.980] [SPEAKER_06]: 916 for all of them.
[10:40.660 --> 10:41.020] [SPEAKER_04]: 916.
[10:41.280 --> 10:41.880] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, thank you.
[10:42.000 --> 10:44.220] [SPEAKER_04]: Can you connect me to 916 information, please?
[10:44.340 --> 10:45.080] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, no problem, sir.
[10:45.200 --> 10:45.580] [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.
[10:45.760 --> 10:46.980] [SPEAKER_06]: If you're the AT&T, have a good night.
[10:47.100 --> 10:47.440] [SPEAKER_04]: You too.
[10:52.700 --> 10:53.340] [SPEAKER_04]: Here we go.
[10:53.720 --> 10:55.600] [SPEAKER_09]: This is I mean what city, please?
[10:56.500 --> 10:57.160] [SPEAKER_20]: Yes, hello.
[10:57.600 --> 10:59.540] [SPEAKER_20]: Is this the 916 area code?
[10:59.940 --> 11:00.520] [SPEAKER_09]: Yes, sir.
[11:00.520 --> 11:04.040] [SPEAKER_20]: Hi, I'm trying to find the number for Drake's Bad.
[11:05.200 --> 11:05.640] [SPEAKER_09]: California?
[11:06.020 --> 11:06.460] [SPEAKER_20]: Yes.
[11:09.640 --> 11:11.380] [SPEAKER_09]: Okay, and what number did you need there?
[11:12.480 --> 11:13.480] [SPEAKER_20]: Well, let's see.
[11:14.980 --> 11:17.020] [SPEAKER_20]: I believe it's just listed as Drake's Bad.
[11:17.200 --> 11:19.100] [SPEAKER_20]: You know, I don't think it's anything more than that.
[11:21.480 --> 11:22.180] [SPEAKER_09]: Okay, sir.
[11:22.280 --> 11:27.640] [SPEAKER_09]: Then you need to call the operator first and ask for Drake's Bad number 2.
[11:29.180 --> 11:30.720] [SPEAKER_09]: Agent, can we help you?
[11:30.720 --> 11:31.520] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, yes, hello.
[11:31.660 --> 11:35.160] [SPEAKER_04]: I'd like to place a call, please, to Drake's Bad number 2, California.
[11:35.500 --> 11:36.640] [SPEAKER_09]: Can you call the number you're calling?
[11:36.880 --> 11:37.780] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, that's it.
[11:37.900 --> 11:38.780] [SPEAKER_04]: Drake's Bad number 2.
[11:39.980 --> 11:40.720] One second.
[11:41.060 --> 11:41.320] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[11:47.930 --> 11:49.910] [SPEAKER_09]: Come on, I need your help.
[11:50.030 --> 11:52.330] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm calling Drake's Bad number 2, California.
[11:52.430 --> 11:53.030] [SPEAKER_09]: How do you get that?
[11:56.480 --> 11:57.660] [SPEAKER_09]: Assistantville, anyone may I help you?
[11:57.940 --> 12:00.580] [SPEAKER_09]: Yes, operator, Drake's Bad, California.
[12:01.560 --> 12:02.200] [SPEAKER_09]: What's your number?
[12:02.560 --> 12:03.180] [SPEAKER_09]: Drake's Bad.
[12:03.820 --> 12:05.220] [SPEAKER_09]: Operator, uh, sir, what number?
[12:05.580 --> 12:07.580] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, I was trying to reach Drake's Bad number 2.
[12:07.920 --> 12:08.640] [SPEAKER_09]: Certainly, thank you.
[12:08.640 --> 12:09.840] [SPEAKER_04]: How can I dial that direct?
[12:11.640 --> 12:12.000] [SPEAKER_05]: Pardon?
[12:12.240 --> 12:13.200] [SPEAKER_04]: Can I dial that direct?
[12:13.480 --> 12:14.780] [SPEAKER_05]: No, it's a toll station.
[12:14.940 --> 12:16.260] [SPEAKER_09]: We have to key it in for you.
[12:16.760 --> 12:19.100] [SPEAKER_04]: You mean there's still places in the United States you can't call direct?
[12:19.880 --> 12:20.180] [SPEAKER_09]: Right.
[12:20.520 --> 12:21.060] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, boy.
[12:21.220 --> 12:21.980] [SPEAKER_09]: Drake, I'll rate.
[12:22.600 --> 12:22.880] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh-huh.
[12:24.960 --> 12:25.920] [SPEAKER_04]: And that's it ringing now?
[12:27.800 --> 12:28.840] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I hope it's it ringing.
[12:31.460 --> 12:32.860] [SPEAKER_20]: Oh, well, I guess they're not home.
[12:32.860 --> 12:34.400] [SPEAKER_20]: Ah, well, so much for that.
[12:34.820 --> 12:35.220] [SPEAKER_20]: Drake?
[12:35.280 --> 12:37.160] [SPEAKER_20]: All right, we're going to step away from that.
[12:37.340 --> 12:40.720] [SPEAKER_20]: That was from our Eclipse show, which aired on December 24th, 2008.
[12:40.880 --> 12:55.580] [SPEAKER_20]: I don't know when that particular adventure that we, uh, we inserted in there, uh, actually aired, but that was, uh, basically a step back into, um, uh, the, the kinds of things that used to exist in this country, toll stations, where you basically, uh,
[12:55.580 --> 12:58.340] [SPEAKER_20]: had to go through an operator to get a particular number to ring.
[12:58.700 --> 13:02.400] [SPEAKER_20]: This kind of thing would not exist without WBAI.
[13:02.400 --> 13:04.660] [SPEAKER_20]: Because we wouldn't have had a radio show.
[13:04.820 --> 13:06.400] [SPEAKER_20]: We wouldn't have been able to document all of this.
[13:06.920 --> 13:13.400] [SPEAKER_20]: That is one major reason why I think you should be supporting WBAI to keep this kind of thing going.
[13:13.580 --> 13:15.700] [SPEAKER_20]: Now, there are no more, no more toll stations.
[13:16.080 --> 13:20.720] [SPEAKER_20]: Uh, we won't have calls like that, but we will have all kinds of other things.
[13:20.720 --> 13:22.940] [SPEAKER_20]: And we're about to feature one right now.
[13:23.040 --> 13:25.940] [SPEAKER_20]: But first, first, I just want to give out the phone number one more time.
[13:25.940 --> 13:36.140] [SPEAKER_20]: 833-WBAI-NYC, 833-922-4692, or go to the website, buddy.wbai.org, uh, and, uh, become a WBAI buddy.
[13:36.480 --> 13:42.440] [SPEAKER_20]: Uh, if, if in fact it is true, say that Off The Hook is your favorite radio show, or you'd like to pledge on behalf of that show.
[13:42.940 --> 13:44.500] [SPEAKER_20]: And, um, that'll look good for us.
[13:44.640 --> 13:52.740] [SPEAKER_20]: Now, what I'd like to, um, uh, uh, just go around a little bit, ask people if they have anything they want to add, uh, to entice people to call up and support the radio station.
[13:52.960 --> 13:56.800] [SPEAKER_20]: Uh, and then we'll start moving on to some, um, uh, some interesting topics.
[13:57.100 --> 13:58.320] [SPEAKER_20]: Uh, Alex, I believe you're first.
[13:59.620 --> 14:01.100] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I've got a lot I can add.
[14:01.300 --> 14:14.920] [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, I, I think it's easy for WBAI listeners to become complacent in some respects and just think that the station is going to weather the storm, no matter what it is, because WBAI has always weathered the storm.
[14:15.180 --> 14:17.920] [SPEAKER_02]: Emmanuel, how many years has WBAI been on the air right now?
[14:17.920 --> 14:19.000] [SPEAKER_02]: All right, I'm going to put you on the spot.
[14:19.080 --> 14:19.880] [SPEAKER_02]: I know you're bad at math.
[14:20.260 --> 14:21.640] [SPEAKER_20]: No, I actually already said it.
[14:21.700 --> 14:22.760] [SPEAKER_20]: We've been on this since 1960.
[14:23.320 --> 14:24.660] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, okay, but how many years is that?
[14:24.840 --> 14:25.660] [SPEAKER_20]: How many years is that?
[14:25.760 --> 14:27.660] [SPEAKER_20]: That's, that's, uh, 20, uh, 24.
[14:27.860 --> 14:28.060] [SPEAKER_20]: I don't know.
[14:28.360 --> 14:31.080] [SPEAKER_20]: Uh, yeah, you did, uh, 64 years.
[14:31.740 --> 14:32.380] [SPEAKER_02]: There you go.
[14:32.680 --> 14:33.500] [SPEAKER_02]: That's pretty easy to do, actually.
[14:34.440 --> 14:34.760] [SPEAKER_02]: Wonderful.
[14:35.060 --> 14:45.860] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, well, you know, for some of us, but I know we, we appreciate that this is difficult for you, but, uh, I think 64 years of being on the air, uh, it's kind of amazing what WBAI has been through.
[14:45.860 --> 14:52.360] [SPEAKER_02]: I've been listening since I was 15 or so years old, um, in the nineties, right?
[14:52.500 --> 14:55.800] [SPEAKER_02]: So the nineties, I've seen WBAI go through so many storms.
[14:56.080 --> 15:00.200] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, literally tumultuous times where, do you remember, I always bring this up.
[15:00.300 --> 15:09.700] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you remember when we had the NYPD in the hallway of 110, uh, 110, we're on 110 Wall Street at the time.
[15:10.080 --> 15:12.300] [SPEAKER_20]: And memory's starting to fade, Alex, isn't it?
[15:12.340 --> 15:13.840] [SPEAKER_20]: Memory's starting to go with your age.
[15:14.500 --> 15:16.620] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know what they say when your memory goes, forget it.
[15:16.780 --> 15:19.720] [SPEAKER_02]: It's one 20 Wall Street, by the way, it was one 20 Wall Street.
[15:19.860 --> 15:20.120] [SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[15:20.260 --> 15:20.460] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[15:20.580 --> 15:21.300] [SPEAKER_02]: One 20 Wall Street.
[15:21.540 --> 15:24.580] [SPEAKER_02]: We've got the cops literally in the building.
[15:25.600 --> 15:26.920] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm out, you're on the air.
[15:27.040 --> 15:32.000] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm out there with a cell phone and the cops are saying that everybody is going to be arrested unless they leave the station.
[15:32.300 --> 15:36.760] [SPEAKER_02]: And then outside the station, when we came out, we were like heroes that night.
[15:36.760 --> 15:39.800] [SPEAKER_02]: There was a massive amount of people that rallied around the station.
[15:40.300 --> 15:46.300] [SPEAKER_02]: Then the station was, this was in the throes of, um, the corporate takeover of Pacifica.
[15:46.380 --> 15:47.940] [SPEAKER_20]: Well, it's a, it's a, it's a little more complex.
[15:48.020 --> 15:50.380] [SPEAKER_20]: And there was a whole, uh, power struggle going on.
[15:50.460 --> 15:51.320] [SPEAKER_20]: I don't want to get into the details.
[15:51.480 --> 15:53.740] [SPEAKER_20]: You can go back though and listen to that particular radio show.
[15:53.740 --> 15:57.900] [SPEAKER_20]: I think that was, uh, in, uh, the year 2000 or 2001.
[15:58.140 --> 15:59.120] [SPEAKER_20]: It might have been early 2001.
[15:59.840 --> 16:00.080] [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah.
[16:00.300 --> 16:05.480] [SPEAKER_20]: Uh, and, um, uh, basically we were just broadcasting what was going on in front of us as we tend to do.
[16:05.640 --> 16:07.800] [SPEAKER_20]: If something is happening, we will tell people what's going on.
[16:07.900 --> 16:13.600] [SPEAKER_20]: And yeah, that, that resulted in a large amount of people coming to the station because they heard that it was being raided by the cops.
[16:14.100 --> 16:16.500] [SPEAKER_20]: Um, so we've had all kinds of adventures like that.
[16:16.580 --> 16:33.980] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, we keep talking about that adventure, but there are many, many others that we have experienced since our first show back in 1988, uh, just a, just a few years ago, there was a similar attempted coup and corporate takeover where, you know, literally people were locked out of the station and we had to file a lawsuit and then go and,
[16:34.020 --> 16:36.300] [SPEAKER_02]: and, uh, uh, appeal an order.
[16:36.420 --> 16:40.600] [SPEAKER_02]: And I believe in the first appellate division in New York, and we had people showing up into court there.
[16:40.720 --> 16:43.160] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we, we've been through so many storms.
[16:43.380 --> 16:47.400] [SPEAKER_20]: I don't, I don't want to make it seem like the only thing that happens to the station is that people are trying to take over the station.
[16:47.720 --> 16:49.960] [SPEAKER_20]: That's one thing that happens, but we also, we.
[16:50.060 --> 16:51.740] [SPEAKER_20]: We occasionally have, we have like 9-11.
[16:51.940 --> 16:52.900] [SPEAKER_20]: That's one thing that happened.
[16:53.120 --> 16:56.420] [SPEAKER_20]: That's not, that's not, uh, uh, something that we like to remember either.
[16:56.580 --> 17:01.160] [SPEAKER_20]: Uh, but we certainly had reaction to that, uh, perspective on that.
[17:01.260 --> 17:05.780] [SPEAKER_20]: Uh, we, we've had, uh, because our show is, is generally on, on Wednesday.
[17:05.920 --> 17:13.860] [SPEAKER_20]: Sometimes it moved to Tuesday, but for, for quite a while now we've been on Wednesday, but, uh, we've, we've oftentimes had to talk about election results.
[17:14.020 --> 17:16.760] [SPEAKER_20]: I remember 2016 was a particularly tough one.
[17:16.760 --> 17:19.280] [SPEAKER_20]: Uh, and next week, I don't know.
[17:19.400 --> 17:20.740] [SPEAKER_20]: That might be a tough one too.
[17:20.940 --> 17:22.020] [SPEAKER_20]: We'll just have to see.
[17:22.260 --> 17:25.660] [SPEAKER_20]: But, um, the thing is, it's, it's not only the history.
[17:25.780 --> 17:30.740] [SPEAKER_20]: It's not only what's, what's happened in the world of both technology and just society in general.
[17:31.260 --> 17:35.260] [SPEAKER_20]: Um, it's, it's also the sounds that technology made.
[17:35.260 --> 17:45.620] [SPEAKER_20]: If you were just listening now, uh, to that phone call that we were making to the toll station, you'll hear all kinds of sounds there, electromechanical switching, things that don't exist anymore today.
[17:46.060 --> 17:48.880] [SPEAKER_20]: And there are many, many people who have captured those sounds.
[17:49.160 --> 17:58.140] [SPEAKER_20]: And luckily we have captured those sounds both, um, on recording and live over the air, uh, when, when, when people called us up as well.
[17:58.300 --> 18:02.620] [SPEAKER_20]: Uh, so there's all kinds of perspective, all kinds of history that we have captured.
[18:02.620 --> 18:05.060] [SPEAKER_20]: And of course we've, we've encoded all of it on our website.
[18:05.480 --> 18:14.080] [SPEAKER_20]: Um, but the really important reason why you should support WBAI is that other people have that chance to make history, to make their own kind of history.
[18:14.320 --> 18:16.820] [SPEAKER_20]: Uh, and that listeners can be a part of that as well.
[18:16.900 --> 18:21.380] [SPEAKER_20]: I just, you know, I try to imagine what New York city would be like without a station like WBAI.
[18:21.640 --> 18:23.400] [SPEAKER_20]: It would not be the same New York city.
[18:23.800 --> 18:24.320] [SPEAKER_20]: Certainly not.
[18:24.920 --> 18:26.180] [SPEAKER_02]: It definitely would not.
[18:26.280 --> 18:30.280] [SPEAKER_02]: And there's a sense of community I think that goes along with being a WBAI listener.
[18:30.940 --> 18:38.220] [SPEAKER_02]: And, and, and the knowledge that you're listening together with people that you're not alone when you're listening to the radio, there's nobody tracking you.
[18:38.320 --> 18:39.200] [SPEAKER_02]: There's nobody watching you.
[18:39.320 --> 18:42.340] [SPEAKER_02]: You're not leaving an IP address anywhere on anybody else's server.
[18:42.580 --> 18:43.440] [SPEAKER_02]: You've turned it.
[18:43.540 --> 18:46.540] [SPEAKER_02]: You've tuned into the radio through the miracle of physics, right?
[18:46.560 --> 18:54.460] [SPEAKER_02]: You're using, you know, terrestrial airwaves and physics to listen in on communications that nobody else knows that you're listening to.
[18:54.460 --> 19:00.640] [SPEAKER_02]: And you're part of this community of listeners right now in the city that's all tuned in and listening to WBAI.
[19:00.720 --> 19:04.960] [SPEAKER_02]: There's something really special about that that does not exist anywhere else.
[19:04.960 --> 19:08.200] [SPEAKER_02]: And the fact that this station exists for... how many years was it, Manning?
[19:08.540 --> 19:09.020] [SPEAKER_02]: Really?
[19:09.180 --> 19:09.420] [SPEAKER_20]: Again?
[19:09.720 --> 19:10.020] [SPEAKER_20]: Boy.
[19:10.340 --> 19:11.040] [SPEAKER_02]: 64 years.
[19:11.080 --> 19:11.860] [SPEAKER_02]: 64 years.
[19:12.520 --> 19:14.960] [SPEAKER_20]: But let me also correct you on one other thing.
[19:15.260 --> 19:17.900] [SPEAKER_20]: It's not just happening here in New York City.
[19:18.280 --> 19:21.320] [SPEAKER_20]: First of all, our signal spreads out considerably from New York City.
[19:21.320 --> 19:25.700] [SPEAKER_20]: But also, thanks to the Internet, it spreads out all around the world.
[19:25.900 --> 19:28.820] [SPEAKER_20]: And thanks to archives, it spreads out all throughout time.
[19:29.280 --> 19:35.580] [SPEAKER_20]: So it's a real piece of history that we constantly have here at 99.5.
[19:35.820 --> 19:40.720] [SPEAKER_02]: Also, I think the sense of community is... there's two different communities that we're talking about here right now.
[19:40.800 --> 19:44.440] [SPEAKER_02]: We have the WBAI community, and we also have the listener community for Off The Hook.
[19:44.520 --> 19:46.180] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think they're both very, very special.
[19:46.640 --> 19:50.540] [SPEAKER_02]: We have the community that joins us every week for Off The Hook Overtime.
[19:50.540 --> 19:57.780] [SPEAKER_02]: We have the community that has been listening to us as Off The Hook and shows up at various conferences and things around the world.
[19:57.900 --> 20:00.020] [SPEAKER_02]: Know us, you know, for Off The Hook.
[20:00.640 --> 20:02.920] [SPEAKER_02]: And they're also part of the WBAI community.
[20:02.920 --> 20:08.760] [SPEAKER_02]: And I really hope that that Off The Hook community that listens to us as a podcast and may be listening to us in the future at some time.
[20:08.760 --> 20:17.940] [SPEAKER_02]: It calls up, 833-WBAI-NYC, or 833-922-4692, and supports the station.
[20:17.940 --> 20:25.260] [SPEAKER_02]: Because this... I really, truly believe that we are onto something so good, it needs to be preserved.
[20:25.260 --> 20:27.240] [SPEAKER_02]: And we are preserving history here as well.
[20:27.240 --> 20:36.660] [SPEAKER_20]: Now, with regards to that phone number, the 833-TOLL-FREE-AREA-CODE, I believe people overseas cannot call that area code.
[20:36.760 --> 20:38.660] [SPEAKER_20]: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that's the case.
[20:38.800 --> 20:50.180] [SPEAKER_20]: And if you're one of those people that wants to call 833-922-4692 to pledge your support, well, you might be better off going to the website until we figure something else out.
[20:50.180 --> 20:51.060] [SPEAKER_20]: Or you can try.
[20:51.220 --> 20:52.800] [SPEAKER_20]: You can try calling that area code and see what happens.
[20:52.920 --> 20:54.700] [SPEAKER_20]: That's kind of the hacker spirit right there.
[20:55.320 --> 20:58.380] [SPEAKER_20]: But the website is buddy.wbai.org.
[20:58.560 --> 21:00.840] [SPEAKER_20]: Anyone else have anything they wish to add?
[21:00.960 --> 21:01.440] [SPEAKER_20]: Rob, go ahead.
[21:02.620 --> 21:03.060] [SPEAKER_18]: Yes, indeed.
[21:03.760 --> 21:12.980] [SPEAKER_18]: I think one thing I can do to really drive home how precious and special this place is, is to give a short history lesson.
[21:13.600 --> 21:16.240] [SPEAKER_18]: Because long ago, there was a man called Louis Schweitzer.
[21:16.840 --> 21:18.420] [SPEAKER_18]: He was a rich guy.
[21:18.420 --> 21:20.940] [SPEAKER_18]: He made his fortune in the paper business.
[21:21.240 --> 21:22.960] [SPEAKER_18]: And he was an immigrant.
[21:23.200 --> 21:30.920] [SPEAKER_18]: He was born in Russia, came to the United States, did very, very well for himself, and bought himself a radio station at one point as sort of a vanity project.
[21:31.380 --> 21:33.820] [SPEAKER_18]: But he got sick of dealing with it.
[21:33.900 --> 21:35.680] [SPEAKER_18]: He didn't like the state of commercial radio at the time.
[21:35.860 --> 21:52.000] [SPEAKER_18]: He was inspired by the story of KPFA and the Pacifica Radio Network, which is a non-profit organization, activist-run, very much like it, like today.
[21:52.240 --> 21:55.460] [SPEAKER_18]: It's a force in community-sponsored radio.
[21:55.860 --> 21:59.360] [SPEAKER_18]: And he just gave his radio station to them.
[21:59.600 --> 22:08.000] [SPEAKER_18]: A rich guy gave a bunch of activists and hippies and nuts and wonderful people a free radio station to just have.
[22:08.540 --> 22:11.600] [SPEAKER_20]: Can I just point out first that he tried to give the radio station?
[22:11.920 --> 22:22.500] [SPEAKER_20]: He was not believed when he called up several times because, you know, giving away a full-power radio station in the middle of New York City is not a normal occurrence.
[22:22.500 --> 22:24.040] [SPEAKER_20]: But that is what was happening.
[22:24.300 --> 22:27.340] [SPEAKER_20]: And fortunately, he called back again and was finally believed.
[22:28.240 --> 22:28.680] [SPEAKER_18]: Absolutely.
[22:29.060 --> 22:33.840] [SPEAKER_18]: And this just goes to show how insane the story of this place's existence even is.
[22:33.980 --> 22:35.540] [SPEAKER_18]: This would never happen again.
[22:35.700 --> 22:37.340] [SPEAKER_18]: This would certainly never happen now.
[22:37.940 --> 22:43.580] [SPEAKER_18]: Now, when a rich person gets bored in disillusion, they buy a massive social network and ruin it.
[22:43.580 --> 22:49.600] [SPEAKER_18]: But, no, Louis Schweitzer gave the Pacifica Network WBAI for free.
[22:49.740 --> 23:05.540] [SPEAKER_18]: And it has been able to survive since then solely on the strength of the listeners, solely on the community that, you know, threw in what they could to keep the lights on, keep the electricity flowing, and keep us doing what we do here at WBAI.
[23:05.660 --> 23:07.200] [SPEAKER_18]: That includes our show at Off The Hook.
[23:07.220 --> 23:11.840] [SPEAKER_18]: That includes so many other wonderful programs that have come and gone over the years.
[23:11.840 --> 23:17.540] [SPEAKER_18]: And if everything goes well, we'll be able to keep doing that.
[23:17.620 --> 23:30.720] [SPEAKER_18]: But it can only keep doing that by the show of support that you can make by calling 833-WBAI-NYC or going to buddy.wbai.org and doing what you can to keep us going.
[23:30.900 --> 23:36.120] [SPEAKER_20]: And that phone number translates to 833-922-4692 for those of you who don't have letters on your phone.
[23:36.940 --> 23:41.400] [SPEAKER_20]: So, yeah, I think we've laid out the case pretty well as to why people should support the radio station.
[23:41.900 --> 23:47.560] [SPEAKER_20]: And if you're listening to this show in the future, please call that number or go to that website.
[23:47.720 --> 23:50.580] [SPEAKER_20]: I'm sure it'll still be there even if it's 50 years from now.
[23:50.880 --> 23:52.360] [SPEAKER_20]: But go ahead, Gila.
[23:53.280 --> 23:56.520] [SPEAKER_14]: So we talked a lot about the why to support the radio station.
[23:56.520 --> 24:09.520] [SPEAKER_14]: And I do want to add just really briefly to that my own experience, which is that WBAI has really opened a lot of doors for me experientially.
[24:10.200 --> 24:12.820] [SPEAKER_14]: I didn't know it existed before I moved to New York.
[24:13.000 --> 24:14.740] [SPEAKER_14]: I didn't know it existed the first few years.
[24:14.880 --> 24:16.260] [SPEAKER_14]: I lived in New York.
[24:16.260 --> 24:21.460] [SPEAKER_14]: And then I met someone and he said, hey, I do this radio show.
[24:21.600 --> 24:23.320] [SPEAKER_14]: And then I started listening to it.
[24:23.400 --> 24:25.320] [SPEAKER_14]: And I learned a lot of really cool stuff.
[24:25.380 --> 24:29.900] [SPEAKER_14]: And now I'm on it, which is mind-blowing to me on a very regular basis.
[24:30.600 --> 24:39.440] [SPEAKER_14]: But in addition to the why, I did want to talk really briefly about the how, because when I'm not on air, I work in fundraising.
[24:39.440 --> 24:45.800] [SPEAKER_14]: So I did want to throw out there that the Pacifica Foundation is a 501c3 organization.
[24:46.080 --> 24:48.980] [SPEAKER_14]: So what you donate to us is tax deductible.
[24:50.740 --> 25:01.160] [SPEAKER_14]: If you have a donor advised fund, if you are old enough to be making required distributions from your IRA, you can make those donations straight to WBAI.
[25:01.540 --> 25:02.820] [SPEAKER_14]: It's a great idea.
[25:03.120 --> 25:04.420] [SPEAKER_14]: Saves you money in the long run.
[25:06.420 --> 25:08.540] [SPEAKER_14]: Also, we love our listenership.
[25:08.540 --> 25:14.420] [SPEAKER_14]: But if you're considering writing your will, it can't hurt to include a bequest to WBAI.
[25:14.520 --> 25:18.340] [SPEAKER_14]: We hope we don't see the money for a long time, but we know it's coming eventually.
[25:18.340 --> 25:20.840] [SPEAKER_14]: And that helps us with long-term financial security.
[25:21.300 --> 25:23.540] [SPEAKER_14]: So remember, it's not just checks and credit cards.
[25:23.660 --> 25:27.140] [SPEAKER_14]: There are a lot of different things you could do to support this station, and we appreciate all of them.
[25:27.780 --> 25:31.700] [SPEAKER_20]: I mean, that's a touchy thing to ask people to include you in their will, but that's what people do.
[25:31.700 --> 25:42.860] [SPEAKER_20]: I know it's hard, but it definitely is keeping things moving and keeping this alive, which hopefully is alive for a very long time.
[25:42.980 --> 25:43.680] [SPEAKER_20]: Rob, did you have something else?
[25:46.120 --> 25:58.160] [SPEAKER_18]: I did not, but yeah, I can throw in that, much like Gila was saying, getting involved with this station, I was a listener to this station, I was a listener to this show for a long time before I got involved.
[25:58.560 --> 26:02.940] [SPEAKER_18]: And getting involved was a life-changing experience for me.
[26:02.940 --> 26:08.480] [SPEAKER_18]: It got me interested in the audio production world, and I've since done that professionally.
[26:10.400 --> 26:19.040] [SPEAKER_18]: It's connected me with wonderful people, some of whom, sadly, are no longer with us, but many of whom I have lifelong friendships with.
[26:19.340 --> 26:23.580] [SPEAKER_18]: And this station has certainly changed my life.
[26:23.580 --> 26:31.740] [SPEAKER_18]: I think it changed my life before I was even involved, just based on the material that was there, the stuff that I could listen to and learn about and become part of.
[26:31.740 --> 26:35.820] [SPEAKER_20]: Well, it's changed the lives of many listeners, and certainly many staff people.
[26:36.100 --> 26:43.980] [SPEAKER_20]: I remember the first time walking into WBAI when we were at 505 8th Avenue, and just wandering in there.
[26:44.160 --> 26:52.000] [SPEAKER_20]: I had worked in radio, WUSB, out in Stony Brook for a number of years, and I wanted to check out other radio stations, and this was a unique radio station.
[26:52.420 --> 27:09.060] [SPEAKER_20]: And I'll never forget that first day, you know, the first person I saw was, of course, our late receptionist, Fred, and basically got to meet all these people and just was put to work, you know, as an engineer, as somebody in the news department, eventually somebody on the air.
[27:09.900 --> 27:11.880] [SPEAKER_20]: The idea of Off The Hook was not mine.
[27:11.880 --> 27:17.080] [SPEAKER_20]: It was basically people at the radio station that said, yeah, this is what you're talking about.
[27:17.080 --> 27:18.900] [SPEAKER_20]: This is what you're interested in.
[27:18.960 --> 27:20.600] [SPEAKER_20]: This is what your show should be.
[27:20.600 --> 27:22.520] [SPEAKER_20]: And they were right.
[27:22.720 --> 27:23.880] [SPEAKER_20]: They certainly were right.
[27:24.000 --> 27:30.780] [SPEAKER_20]: And you can go back and listen in the archives and hear all the old shows and how it transpired.
[27:31.000 --> 27:35.720] [SPEAKER_20]: Let's just step back into time for a second and see where our clip show is at.
[27:35.800 --> 27:53.760] [SPEAKER_01]: ...offware for the modification of telecommunications instruments for the unauthorized use of telecommunications services, which in plain English means I had a computer program on a laptop computer that allows, allegedly allows someone to program a cellular telephone.
[27:54.120 --> 27:55.760] [SPEAKER_20]: And that's Bernie S.
[27:56.040 --> 27:59.100] [SPEAKER_20]: talking about his legal troubles with technology.
[27:59.100 --> 28:13.640] [SPEAKER_20]: There are so many people that we have had on the air, Kevin Mitnick, Phiber Optik, who have gone through hell in our legal system just for being curious, just for playing with technology.
[28:13.640 --> 28:18.720] [SPEAKER_20]: Obviously, WBAI and Off The Hook offered a voice for these people to get the word out.
[28:18.920 --> 28:34.360] [SPEAKER_20]: And, you know, I think many of them would have suffered far worse consequences by being held in prison for longer or being charged with more if they did not have the support that WBAI listeners afforded them.
[28:34.500 --> 28:37.280] [SPEAKER_20]: So that's an incredible reminder, too.
[28:37.280 --> 28:38.980] [SPEAKER_20]: And we are one show.
[28:39.140 --> 28:41.720] [SPEAKER_20]: We are one show, one hour in one day.
[28:42.280 --> 28:46.480] [SPEAKER_20]: There are different shows almost every hour of every other day.
[28:46.580 --> 28:48.520] [SPEAKER_20]: And everybody has their own community.
[28:48.660 --> 28:51.300] [SPEAKER_20]: Everybody has their own causes.
[28:51.840 --> 28:58.020] [SPEAKER_20]: And this place, this place is a magical gathering point on the radio dial.
[28:58.020 --> 29:09.160] [SPEAKER_20]: So please keep that magical gathering point here, 833-WBAI-NYC, 833-922-4692 or buddy.wbai.org.
[29:10.220 --> 29:13.240] [SPEAKER_20]: This is basically the only week we're doing this.
[29:13.380 --> 29:14.320] [SPEAKER_20]: We're not doing it next week.
[29:14.340 --> 29:15.300] [SPEAKER_20]: We're doing it this week.
[29:15.400 --> 29:21.620] [SPEAKER_20]: And we're not offering all kinds of items and premiums and things like that.
[29:21.620 --> 29:23.520] [SPEAKER_20]: No, this is real.
[29:23.680 --> 29:26.100] [SPEAKER_20]: This is about keeping the radio station alive.
[29:26.100 --> 29:28.140] [SPEAKER_20]: And that's what it's always been about.
[29:28.260 --> 29:30.060] [SPEAKER_20]: But we're not kidding ourselves here.
[29:30.080 --> 29:32.920] [SPEAKER_20]: We're saying that our listeners are the lifeblood.
[29:33.020 --> 29:35.200] [SPEAKER_20]: And if you are listening, you're a listener.
[29:35.560 --> 29:37.220] [SPEAKER_20]: So please give us that support.
[29:37.540 --> 29:37.740] [SPEAKER_20]: Okay.
[29:38.120 --> 29:41.660] [SPEAKER_20]: Last week, Alex, you can maybe refresh my memory on this.
[29:41.820 --> 29:51.840] [SPEAKER_20]: We were talking about some regulations involving cell phones in schools that involved putting phones in pouches.
[29:51.840 --> 29:59.580] [SPEAKER_20]: And it basically was a bit confusing to me, mostly because I was never in school when cell phones existed.
[29:59.580 --> 30:06.420] [SPEAKER_20]: But that just seemed a little weird to have these pouches where kids were supposed to put their phone and their phone didn't work until they took them out of the pouches.
[30:06.940 --> 30:13.020] [SPEAKER_20]: Anyway, you've dragged your son into the studio here or your studio to explain it all to us.
[30:13.020 --> 30:14.120] [SPEAKER_20]: You want to set this up?
[30:15.420 --> 30:16.820] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I do indeed.
[30:17.100 --> 30:19.280] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, and so, yeah, we promised...
[30:19.280 --> 30:20.800] [SPEAKER_02]: And this is the thing with WBAI, right?
[30:20.840 --> 30:21.960] [SPEAKER_02]: We promise and we deliver.
[30:22.200 --> 30:25.200] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, this is another reason why people should support us here, right?
[30:25.200 --> 30:26.160] [SPEAKER_02]: We promised this last week.
[30:26.240 --> 30:27.120] [SPEAKER_02]: Now, Sasha is here.
[30:27.240 --> 30:37.480] [SPEAKER_02]: I promised an expert on phone patches being used in middle schools so that kids did not necessarily have access to their particular mobile phones throughout the day.
[30:37.480 --> 30:40.460] [SPEAKER_02]: And we had all kinds of questions about how it worked.
[30:40.660 --> 30:41.720] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you have the pouch?
[30:41.820 --> 30:42.800] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you put the pouch somewhere?
[30:43.220 --> 30:44.800] [SPEAKER_02]: How does the pouch work, et cetera?
[30:45.160 --> 30:53.180] [SPEAKER_02]: So, in any event, I'm going to hand it over to my son, Sasha, who just started middle school here at a public school in New York City.
[30:53.660 --> 30:54.900] [SPEAKER_02]: Sasha, why don't you take it away?
[30:55.940 --> 31:00.420] [SPEAKER_17]: Yes, I am Sasha, and I'm going to be talking about the phone patches.
[31:01.860 --> 31:02.340] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[31:03.060 --> 31:03.600] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[31:03.840 --> 31:05.880] [SPEAKER_02]: And how are you going to address this?
[31:06.460 --> 31:09.640] [SPEAKER_17]: First, I'm going to talk about what is it and what does it do.
[31:10.040 --> 31:12.420] [SPEAKER_17]: Second of all, I'm going to talk about how it works.
[31:12.540 --> 31:15.940] [SPEAKER_17]: And third of all, I'm going to talk about how to defeat the pouches.
[31:16.380 --> 31:17.040] [SPEAKER_20]: Oh, wow.
[31:17.200 --> 31:17.420] [SPEAKER_20]: Okay.
[31:17.620 --> 31:17.940] [SPEAKER_20]: All right.
[31:18.000 --> 31:18.500] [SPEAKER_20]: Let's hear it.
[31:19.180 --> 31:19.640] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[31:19.740 --> 31:21.400] [SPEAKER_02]: So, let's start with what is it.
[31:21.500 --> 31:24.780] [SPEAKER_02]: So, tell us, what does the phone pouch actually do?
[31:24.860 --> 31:25.600] [SPEAKER_02]: What's the point of it?
[31:25.720 --> 31:27.680] [SPEAKER_02]: Why do you have this in school?
[31:27.680 --> 31:36.300] [SPEAKER_17]: The phone pouches are for, so kids don't go on their phones during the lessons.
[31:38.300 --> 31:39.060] [SPEAKER_20]: Okay.
[31:39.980 --> 31:44.560] [SPEAKER_17]: I don't know why we need them, but this is from the teacher's perspective.
[31:45.340 --> 31:46.580] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yes, exactly.
[31:47.760 --> 31:54.240] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I guess they don't want you to be distracted or using phones during the school day, right?
[31:54.500 --> 31:54.760] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[31:55.060 --> 31:57.780] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, what do we see when we do drop off in the morning?
[31:58.200 --> 31:58.600] [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody's...
[31:58.600 --> 31:59.120] [SPEAKER_02]: What are they doing?
[31:59.440 --> 32:00.320] [SPEAKER_13]: Looking on their phones.
[32:00.440 --> 32:00.900] [SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[32:00.960 --> 32:01.900] [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody's looking on their phones.
[32:02.000 --> 32:07.400] [SPEAKER_02]: I think people will be looking on their phones during classroom time, I would imagine.
[32:08.300 --> 32:09.600] [SPEAKER_20]: Why is that a bad thing, Alex?
[32:09.700 --> 32:11.120] [SPEAKER_20]: Why can't kids look at their phones?
[32:11.240 --> 32:12.300] [SPEAKER_20]: Why don't you let them do that?
[32:13.320 --> 32:14.040] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, maybe...
[32:14.040 --> 32:20.440] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, some people could consider it some kind of study aid if they were looking up the subjects that the teacher was talking about, right?
[32:20.680 --> 32:22.000] [SPEAKER_02]: But do you think that's what they're doing?
[32:23.400 --> 32:25.400] [SPEAKER_17]: Maybe they're just doing it to torture us.
[32:25.540 --> 32:26.340] [SPEAKER_02]: To torture us?
[32:26.480 --> 32:28.800] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you think the teachers are doing this to torture you?
[32:28.820 --> 32:34.180] [SPEAKER_20]: You know, Sasha, you're onto something there because there are some bad teachers out there that exist to torture kids.
[32:34.840 --> 32:35.160] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[32:35.160 --> 32:44.720] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, okay, so let's assume for a moment that they have not some kind of nefarious purpose in mind, but they're talking...
[32:44.720 --> 32:57.180] [SPEAKER_02]: They want to help you learn by keeping you undistracted by all of these mobile phones, that you can focus on the multivariable calculus that you're inevitably doing in sixth and seventh grade, right?
[32:57.320 --> 32:58.080] [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, I was joking.
[32:58.240 --> 32:59.320] [SPEAKER_17]: The teachers are amazing.
[32:59.920 --> 33:01.720] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the teachers are great, right?
[33:01.960 --> 33:02.040] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[33:02.340 --> 33:03.500] [SPEAKER_20]: I was joking, too.
[33:04.300 --> 33:08.460] [SPEAKER_02]: So we have an idea about, you know, what the idea is behind a phone pouch.
[33:08.560 --> 33:11.140] [SPEAKER_02]: It's to keep you not distracted, right?
[33:11.260 --> 33:12.040] [SPEAKER_02]: Or undistracted.
[33:12.140 --> 33:12.220] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[33:12.220 --> 33:13.620] [SPEAKER_02]: Keep your attention on the list.
[33:13.820 --> 33:16.860] [SPEAKER_02]: So tell us about how does this phone pouch work?
[33:17.060 --> 33:18.140] [SPEAKER_02]: What happens with it?
[33:18.300 --> 33:21.820] [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, pretty much there's a needle that's on one side.
[33:22.160 --> 33:32.400] [SPEAKER_17]: I don't know how it fully works, but I'm pretty sure something on the other side locks the needle in place, and you can only unlock it by hitting it on a magnet that they give you at the end of the day.
[33:33.140 --> 33:33.540] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[33:33.820 --> 33:34.100] [SPEAKER_02]: Interesting.
[33:34.160 --> 33:37.780] [SPEAKER_02]: Ah, so Kyle, so this is something that you brought up last week.
[33:37.780 --> 33:40.720] [SPEAKER_02]: You thought that there was some kind of magnetic component to this, right?
[33:42.040 --> 33:57.560] [SPEAKER_21]: That was one thing that I suspected, that they had a way to enclose it so that it would be basically very hard to regain access unless you use the particular, I guess, thing you contact.
[33:58.180 --> 34:09.140] [SPEAKER_21]: And it reminds me a little bit of retail stuff, you know, when they have tags on clothes or something, you know, they swipe it when you buy it, and then you can go home with the stuff without setting off alarms.
[34:09.360 --> 34:10.700] [SPEAKER_20]: Well, can I just ask a question here?
[34:10.820 --> 34:13.080] [SPEAKER_20]: Sasha, have you ever thought of bringing your own magnet in?
[34:13.380 --> 34:15.740] [SPEAKER_20]: And maybe you could, you know, defeat it that way.
[34:16.300 --> 34:21.720] [SPEAKER_17]: Well, I don't use the underpatch, but the thing is, these magnets are ginormous plaques.
[34:21.900 --> 34:23.080] [SPEAKER_17]: They're not just small ones.
[34:23.260 --> 34:29.620] [SPEAKER_17]: They're placed on a special plaque that only the teachers can hold, and that won't fit into your pocket.
[34:29.920 --> 34:33.300] [SPEAKER_17]: If you want a heavy magnet in your backpack, I guess you can.
[34:33.940 --> 34:35.360] [SPEAKER_20]: No, I don't want that.
[34:35.960 --> 34:36.440] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[34:36.740 --> 34:43.000] [SPEAKER_02]: So, I guess maybe if you carried around like a very rare earth magnet or something like that, you might be able to replicate this.
[34:43.400 --> 34:49.980] [SPEAKER_02]: But, so, so you go in, you put, you're supposed to put your phone in this pouch, I guess, when you get into school at the beginning of the day.
[34:50.080 --> 34:50.440] [SPEAKER_02]: Is that right?
[34:51.100 --> 34:51.420] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[34:51.720 --> 34:51.920] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[34:52.100 --> 34:52.980] [SPEAKER_02]: So, your phone is there.
[34:53.340 --> 35:00.000] [SPEAKER_02]: Now, the other question that I believe we had, Kyle, Emmanuel, the rest of us, right, was what happens to the pouch during the day?
[35:00.360 --> 35:05.300] [SPEAKER_02]: Is the pouch in the possession of the students, or is it in your locker, or does somebody else hold it?
[35:05.340 --> 35:05.960] [SPEAKER_02]: Where's the pouch?
[35:05.960 --> 35:19.420] [SPEAKER_17]: The pouch is usually placed in your backpack, so it's safe, and they have this thing where if you lose your pouch, you have to pay $20 for it, and if you break it or damage it, it will also be $20.
[35:19.980 --> 35:23.300] [SPEAKER_20]: So, if I understand this correctly, your phone is still working.
[35:23.300 --> 35:24.400] [SPEAKER_20]: You can still hear it ring.
[35:24.500 --> 35:28.120] [SPEAKER_20]: You just can't get to it because the pouch is locked and can only be unlocked with the magnet.
[35:28.840 --> 35:29.140] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[35:29.500 --> 35:29.780] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[35:30.360 --> 35:33.380] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, but that's a good question, though, Emmanuel, when something came up.
[35:33.560 --> 35:36.240] [SPEAKER_02]: So, let's ask the specific question, right?
[35:36.300 --> 35:41.380] [SPEAKER_02]: Is the pouch in which you put the phone a Faraday pouch?
[35:41.600 --> 35:43.000] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you know what a Faraday pouch is?
[35:43.060 --> 35:43.260] [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah.
[35:43.380 --> 35:44.200] [SPEAKER_02]: What's a Faraday pouch?
[35:44.340 --> 35:45.800] [SPEAKER_17]: Something that locks the signal.
[35:45.980 --> 35:46.240] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[35:46.380 --> 35:46.780] [SPEAKER_02]: Very good.
[35:46.860 --> 35:47.660] [SPEAKER_20]: How does he know that?
[35:47.740 --> 35:48.580] [SPEAKER_20]: How does he know that?
[35:48.880 --> 35:49.540] [SPEAKER_20]: Who taught him that?
[35:49.540 --> 35:50.800] [SPEAKER_02]: He's a lot smarter than he looks.
[35:51.020 --> 35:51.320] [SPEAKER_20]: Wow.
[35:51.480 --> 35:52.240] [SPEAKER_20]: He looks smart.
[35:52.240 --> 35:53.060] [SPEAKER_20]: What are you talking about?
[35:53.440 --> 35:53.740] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[35:53.940 --> 35:54.420] [SPEAKER_02]: I know.
[35:54.680 --> 35:54.980] [SPEAKER_02]: He is.
[35:55.320 --> 35:58.200] [SPEAKER_02]: So, does the phone still work when it's in the pouch?
[35:58.380 --> 35:59.400] [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, it still works.
[35:59.400 --> 35:59.980] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[36:00.240 --> 36:03.860] [SPEAKER_02]: Now, let's talk about how you defeat the security on the pouch.
[36:04.320 --> 36:08.080] [SPEAKER_17]: So, my friend, Augustia, from another school.
[36:08.880 --> 36:09.480] [SPEAKER_13]: Okay.
[36:09.800 --> 36:31.300] [SPEAKER_17]: He told me how to do it because my old friend from my old school, who also goes to lab, figured out this trick where you put the pencil under where the needle lies and you want to push the pencil up to the needle and then you want to bash the pouch on something hard.
[36:32.300 --> 36:44.880] [SPEAKER_17]: And speaking of this, my friend, my good new friend, Max, he wanted to open his yonder pouch and I told him, I told him, hey yeah, my friend told me this trick.
[36:44.880 --> 36:46.700] [SPEAKER_17]: I think we should try to test it out.
[36:47.000 --> 36:56.160] [SPEAKER_17]: So, we did it and after like a full-on five minutes of hitting the pouch, it opened without having to use the magnet.
[37:03.760 --> 37:08.100] [SPEAKER_02]: It opened up, did the pouch break at that point?
[37:08.440 --> 37:10.060] [SPEAKER_17]: The pouch did not break.
[37:10.620 --> 37:10.660] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[37:11.060 --> 37:14.800] [SPEAKER_02]: So, you were able to use it again without having to pay $20 to get a new pouch?
[37:15.000 --> 37:15.200] [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah.
[37:15.540 --> 37:15.760] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[37:15.760 --> 37:18.000] [SPEAKER_17]: I actually have a good story for this.
[37:18.360 --> 37:18.780] [SPEAKER_02]: Go ahead.
[37:18.840 --> 37:22.080] [SPEAKER_17]: So, the school bathrooms at my school are completely insane.
[37:23.260 --> 37:23.780] [SPEAKER_20]: Okay.
[37:24.520 --> 37:25.080] [SPEAKER_20]: All right.
[37:25.360 --> 37:33.660] [SPEAKER_17]: And I'm not talking about like the toilets or anything, but one time I went in and I was just looking in the mirror because I thought I was scaring pimples.
[37:33.800 --> 37:34.460] [SPEAKER_17]: I was getting scared.
[37:34.740 --> 37:44.000] [SPEAKER_17]: And then these kids jump through the door and they start yelling, you think you're safe in here to each other?
[37:44.000 --> 37:44.040] [SPEAKER_17]: What?
[37:44.340 --> 37:52.180] [SPEAKER_17]: And then one of them holds up their phone and is one of the other big kids is like, how did you get that?
[37:53.060 --> 37:54.560] [SPEAKER_17]: And I just ran out.
[37:54.680 --> 37:55.500] [SPEAKER_17]: I was really scared.
[37:56.320 --> 37:56.440] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[37:57.080 --> 38:07.960] [SPEAKER_17]: And nowadays, after I reported it, after I wrote, nowadays, um, there's a daily check where one of the teachers will go on and check the condition of the bathroom.
[38:08.120 --> 38:13.300] [SPEAKER_17]: Cause one time they threw the whole entire paper towel roll into the toilet and didn't flush it.
[38:14.800 --> 38:18.720] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, this is what happens in New York City public schools in various bathrooms.
[38:18.940 --> 38:19.040] [SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[38:19.200 --> 38:21.360] [SPEAKER_20]: I think we might be veering off topic here.
[38:21.620 --> 38:26.740] [SPEAKER_20]: Um, so now as far as the phone goes though, um, how, how does the phone get into your pad?
[38:26.800 --> 38:29.700] [SPEAKER_20]: Who, who makes sure that there is a phone in your pouch?
[38:29.920 --> 38:31.700] [SPEAKER_20]: Couldn't you just not put the phone in the pouch?
[38:31.700 --> 38:40.160] [SPEAKER_17]: That's very true because at the, um, entrance, they can't do a full on TSA check into your backpack.
[38:40.600 --> 38:52.420] [SPEAKER_17]: So you can just hide the yonder pouch or just click the yonder pouch, uh, locked and have your phone hiding inside your backpack.
[38:52.660 --> 38:55.220] [SPEAKER_17]: That's a way more easier way to do it.
[38:55.220 --> 38:58.840] [SPEAKER_20]: You know, you know what else would be good Sasha is you get, you get a fake phone.
[38:59.000 --> 39:00.820] [SPEAKER_20]: You put the fake phone in the pouch.
[39:01.060 --> 39:02.620] [SPEAKER_20]: So therefore you satisfy security people.
[39:02.940 --> 39:04.580] [SPEAKER_20]: Meanwhile, you got your real phone.
[39:04.820 --> 39:06.440] [SPEAKER_20]: It's like in your shoe or something.
[39:06.620 --> 39:14.880] [SPEAKER_20]: And then later you, you, you go to that same bathroom, you take the shoe out, put it in your backpack and then you can, you know, talk to anybody you want throughout the boring class.
[39:16.020 --> 39:17.060] [SPEAKER_20]: Not that you should do that.
[39:17.800 --> 39:19.140] [SPEAKER_02]: That's a great idea, man.
[39:19.200 --> 39:20.080] [SPEAKER_02]: What do you think about that?
[39:20.080 --> 39:25.560] [SPEAKER_17]: Uh, I mean, it's more of an expensive way, but why not?
[39:25.800 --> 39:28.580] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we've got plenty of old phones that we can do this.
[39:28.660 --> 39:28.740] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[39:28.740 --> 39:29.680] [SPEAKER_02]: We can, we can work this out.
[39:30.000 --> 39:32.500] [SPEAKER_20]: I also haven't given up on getting a magnet into the school.
[39:32.640 --> 39:35.840] [SPEAKER_20]: It just involves after hours access and a hand cart.
[39:35.960 --> 39:44.640] [SPEAKER_20]: So we just wheel it in through a loading zone and get it into a secret place where, where Sasha can simply, you know, whack the thing and open up his pouch anytime he wants.
[39:44.800 --> 39:46.340] [SPEAKER_20]: But only he knows where that is.
[39:46.860 --> 39:49.860] [SPEAKER_02]: We can even make this into some kind of business, right?
[39:49.860 --> 39:51.720] [SPEAKER_02]: You have $5 to open up your pouch.
[39:51.880 --> 39:56.180] [SPEAKER_20]: That's a great idea because, you know, you charge the kids to, um, to get access to their phones.
[39:56.360 --> 39:57.180] [SPEAKER_20]: You'll, you'll clean up.
[39:57.680 --> 40:03.040] [SPEAKER_02]: And then you can take all that money and donate it to WBAI by calling.
[40:03.160 --> 40:04.800] [SPEAKER_02]: What's the, what's the number here, Sasha?
[40:05.200 --> 40:08.100] [SPEAKER_17]: Uh, eight, three, three, seven, two, two.
[40:08.160 --> 40:09.280] [SPEAKER_20]: No, no, that's a nine.
[40:09.460 --> 40:11.300] [SPEAKER_20]: That's, that's your father's like sloppy writing.
[40:11.500 --> 40:11.660] [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah.
[40:11.860 --> 40:12.500] [SPEAKER_20]: My bad handwriting.
[40:12.720 --> 40:13.180] [SPEAKER_20]: What's the number?
[40:13.560 --> 40:17.220] [SPEAKER_17]: Eight, three, three, WBAI NYC.
[40:17.400 --> 40:17.940] [SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[40:17.940 --> 40:17.980] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[40:18.220 --> 40:20.240] [SPEAKER_20]: Which is nine, two, two, four, six, nine, two.
[40:20.600 --> 40:21.260] [SPEAKER_20]: Oh, Sasha.
[40:21.460 --> 40:22.660] [SPEAKER_20]: Thank you so much for all this.
[40:22.780 --> 40:26.760] [SPEAKER_20]: It's, um, uh, you've, you've taught us a lot and you've got the hacker spirit.
[40:28.160 --> 40:28.520] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[40:28.680 --> 40:31.140] [SPEAKER_02]: So something about apples and trees comes to mind.
[40:31.140 --> 40:35.560] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know why these images are coming into my head, but, um, but, but, but there they are.
[40:35.700 --> 40:36.760] [SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah.
[40:37.000 --> 40:38.460] [SPEAKER_02]: So our, our very special guest tonight.
[40:38.600 --> 40:39.480] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much, Sasha.
[40:39.480 --> 40:39.560] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[40:40.720 --> 40:41.340] [SPEAKER_20]: All right.
[40:41.720 --> 40:44.500] [SPEAKER_20]: Um, again, we are in the middle of a fun drive.
[40:44.780 --> 40:48.100] [SPEAKER_20]: Uh, please call eight, three, three, nine, two, two, four, six, nine, two to support us.
[40:48.200 --> 40:53.240] [SPEAKER_20]: Go to buddy.wbai.org, become a WBAI buddy and donate a small amount every month.
[40:53.500 --> 40:56.540] [SPEAKER_20]: Let's, uh, check in on our clip show from, uh, 2008.
[40:56.540 --> 40:56.880] [SPEAKER_20]: Unfortunately,
[41:00.060 --> 41:01.380] [SPEAKER_19]: but it's not completely unexpected.
[41:01.380 --> 41:04.440] [SPEAKER_19]: It's not something that, uh, thank you.
[41:04.680 --> 41:07.980] [SPEAKER_19]: It's not something that, um, we didn't see coming.
[41:11.320 --> 41:13.000] [SPEAKER_20]: I have no idea what I'm talking about here.
[41:15.620 --> 41:19.660] [SPEAKER_19]: Such events of, uh, horror and tragedy and fear.
[41:20.840 --> 41:28.420] [SPEAKER_19]: You can always bet that there are those on the sidelines who are waiting for the opportunity to use those events to their advantage.
[41:30.860 --> 41:35.960] [SPEAKER_20]: That probably is a post 9-11 show where I'm talking about the PATRIOT Act or something like that.
[41:36.080 --> 41:41.840] [SPEAKER_20]: But again, all sorts of things happened in history and we were there, uh, to, um, uh, to witness it all.
[41:42.380 --> 41:43.220] [SPEAKER_20]: Uh, okay.
[41:43.380 --> 41:46.180] [SPEAKER_20]: Uh, here's an interesting story, uh, taking place now.
[41:46.360 --> 41:54.560] [SPEAKER_20]: Uh, at least several dozen people, uh, had their phones surveilled, uh, in this, um, latest Chinese spying campaign you might've heard about.
[41:54.560 --> 41:58.100] [SPEAKER_20]: Uh, Donald Trump's campaign was in fact targeted.
[41:58.360 --> 42:05.420] [SPEAKER_20]: Uh, Chinese hackers are believed to be behind the whole thing, uh, targeting both Trump's phone and his running mate, JD Vance.
[42:05.640 --> 42:11.700] [SPEAKER_20]: Um, earlier this week, uh, or last week, actually Trump's campaign was informed of the potential breach.
[42:12.060 --> 42:15.980] [SPEAKER_20]: It was unclear what information, if any, was accessed.
[42:16.280 --> 42:24.220] [SPEAKER_20]: Uh, but the former president frequently uses his personal iPhone to post on social media, make phone calls and send text messages to billionaires and lawmakers.
[42:24.880 --> 42:26.600] [SPEAKER_20]: Uh, yeah, I'm not making this up.
[42:26.720 --> 42:26.940] [SPEAKER_20]: That's true.
[42:27.080 --> 42:31.120] [SPEAKER_20]: Uh, all private communications at foreign adversaries would be quite eager to get their hands on.
[42:31.200 --> 42:35.320] [SPEAKER_20]: In addition, it's possible that, uh, hackers could access location data.
[42:35.900 --> 42:47.400] [SPEAKER_20]: Um, roughly 40 people are for now thought to have had their unencrypted call and text data surveilled by the Chinese in the spying campaign, which is believed to have compromised at least 10 telecommunications providers.
[42:47.740 --> 42:50.780] [SPEAKER_20]: That's according to two other people briefed on the activity.
[42:50.980 --> 42:56.160] [SPEAKER_20]: In addition to Trump and Vance, current high ranking U.S. officials are also among the targets.
[42:56.400 --> 43:06.680] [SPEAKER_20]: In a statement, the FBI confirmed the U.S. government is investigating unauthorized access to commercial telecommunications infrastructure by actors affiliated with the people's Republic of China.
[43:07.300 --> 43:08.800] [SPEAKER_20]: Boy, this is getting interesting.
[43:08.800 --> 43:11.740] [SPEAKER_20]: Um, so it's, it's, it's quite possible.
[43:11.860 --> 43:23.540] [SPEAKER_20]: Not only, um, uh, the location information, uh, of, of, uh, phones and devices, uh, what was compromised, but maybe actually the communications itself.
[43:24.160 --> 43:30.620] [SPEAKER_20]: And if, if any of that is, um, is, is leaked in the next week or so could have profound implications.
[43:31.240 --> 43:44.420] [SPEAKER_20]: Um, or it could have profound implications in the future, whatever it is though, it's, it's, it's another wake up call that even at the highest levels are, our devices are not necessarily secure.
[43:44.980 --> 43:45.700] [SPEAKER_20]: Any thoughts?
[43:47.940 --> 44:02.680] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I I'll chime in right away and say, you know, look, I'm not surprised whatsoever that there are state actors that are interested in the presidential candidates communications, especially China, because China, I don't think likes any of these candidates at all.
[44:02.820 --> 44:04.400] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they, they certainly don't like Trump.
[44:04.520 --> 44:05.700] [SPEAKER_02]: They certainly don't like Kamala.
[44:05.700 --> 44:17.560] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that, um, you know, the fact that they're here and that they're, uh, trying to acquire certain types of intelligence that may influence the outcome of the excellent, uh, the election is, is really just not surprising.
[44:17.980 --> 44:23.340] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I, I feel like since 2016, this is really, uh, old wine in a new bottle.
[44:25.200 --> 44:25.700] [SPEAKER_20]: Yep.
[44:25.780 --> 44:26.340] [SPEAKER_20]: Have to agree.
[44:27.020 --> 44:28.200] [SPEAKER_20]: Um, okay, moving on.
[44:28.420 --> 44:35.240] [SPEAKER_20]: Um, this is very telling cable companies, advertising firms and newspapers are asking courts.
[44:35.240 --> 44:42.640] [SPEAKER_20]: It's to block a federal click to cancel rule would force businesses to make it easier for consumers to cancel services.
[44:42.840 --> 44:44.260] [SPEAKER_20]: I don't think I have to read any more than that.
[44:44.360 --> 44:46.680] [SPEAKER_20]: That pretty much tells you where they're coming from.
[44:47.000 --> 44:50.280] [SPEAKER_20]: You know, they don't want you to be able to cancel services easily.
[44:50.800 --> 44:52.480] [SPEAKER_20]: There, there's no other way of looking at this.
[44:52.480 --> 45:06.360] [SPEAKER_20]: Lawsuits were filed, uh, uh, last few days, actually about a week, uh, after the Federal Trade Commission approved a rule that requires sellers to provide consumers with simple cancellation mechanisms to immediately halt all recurring charges.
[45:06.920 --> 45:08.960] [SPEAKER_20]: How do you argue against that?
[45:09.060 --> 45:09.540] [SPEAKER_20]: Well, let's see.
[45:09.680 --> 45:20.640] [SPEAKER_20]: Cable Lobby Group, NCTA, the Internet and Television Association, and the Interactive Advertising Bureau Trade Group have sued the FTC, um, in the, uh, conservative U.S.
[45:20.740 --> 45:22.120] [SPEAKER_20]: Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit.
[45:22.340 --> 45:41.240] [SPEAKER_20]: Uh, the lawsuit claims the Fifth Circuit is a proper venue, uh, because a third plaintiff, the Electronic Security Association, has its principal offices in Dallas, and that group represents security companies such as ADT, um, yeah, uh, you know, it's really hard to get into their logic here,
[45:41.260 --> 45:56.880] [SPEAKER_20]: uh, that, um, yeah, I'd have to read the legal briefs to figure all this out, but the gist of it is they don't want people to be able to easily unsubscribe from, uh, uh, Alex, as a lawyer, any, any, um, ideas as to the logic behind this?
[45:57.420 --> 46:02.120] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and, and, and I understand the logic of the Fifth Circuit, uh, as well.
[46:02.240 --> 46:05.320] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess, you know, that's an, that's an appellate court, the Fifth Circuit.
[46:05.540 --> 46:06.800] [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know what they're doing.
[46:06.960 --> 46:09.940] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe there seems like special rule or something where they go right into the Fifth Circuit.
[46:10.140 --> 46:11.920] [SPEAKER_02]: But, so that, that's weird, number one.
[46:12.200 --> 46:19.000] [SPEAKER_02]: Weird number two is that, um, I, I just seems really mysterious to me.
[46:19.180 --> 46:22.840] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm mystified as to the arguments against this.
[46:22.840 --> 46:31.560] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you have, uh, actual patents from Amazon that are on the other side of this that allow you to make a one-click purchase.
[46:31.800 --> 46:33.400] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, this is a big thing with Amazon Prime.
[46:33.840 --> 46:34.760] [SPEAKER_02]: Buy with one click.
[46:34.940 --> 46:35.760] [SPEAKER_02]: Click with one purchase.
[46:35.880 --> 46:44.280] [SPEAKER_02]: So you're, so, so on, on the one hand, you're allowed to buy things as a consumer, a whole bunch of nonsense that you probably don't need with one single click.
[46:44.440 --> 46:46.300] [SPEAKER_02]: But you cannot save yourself money.
[46:46.420 --> 46:49.580] [SPEAKER_02]: You can't actually discontinue services with one click.
[46:49.580 --> 46:54.040] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what these consumer affairs, uh, consortiums are, are, are, are against.
[46:54.160 --> 46:55.200] [SPEAKER_02]: It's, it's totally insane.
[46:55.380 --> 47:10.840] [SPEAKER_02]: But it also brings to mind, to me, the reasoning behind the, the very notion of a class action, which is that there are a lot of, uh, uh, companies out there that make a tremendous amount of money through illicit practices.
[47:10.840 --> 47:21.880] [SPEAKER_02]: And the way in which to make a great deal of money is not to steal a large amount of money, but to make a great deal of money illicitly, is not to steal a huge amount of money from, let's say, one or two people.
[47:22.120 --> 47:23.700] [SPEAKER_02]: Because you'll get caught for that.
[47:23.860 --> 47:25.160] [SPEAKER_02]: You'll be sued for that.
[47:25.300 --> 47:38.120] [SPEAKER_02]: But the way in which companies make tens of millions of dollars every year, year after year, is by overcharging a large number of consumers for a small amount of money.
[47:38.120 --> 47:45.460] [SPEAKER_02]: So if you have 10 million customers and you're overcharging them for two minutes, for $2 each, you know, this is a massive amount of money.
[47:45.540 --> 47:48.440] [SPEAKER_02]: This is why this should be something in place.
[47:48.860 --> 47:50.980] [SPEAKER_20]: Okay, well, thank you for that analysis.
[47:51.200 --> 47:59.380] [SPEAKER_20]: And also, that's something we will never do here at WBAI, is overcharge or make it hard for you to unsubscribe if you ever wish to do that.
[47:59.900 --> 48:03.260] [SPEAKER_20]: So that pretty much brings us to the close of this hour.
[48:03.400 --> 48:04.480] [SPEAKER_20]: Thanks to all of you.
[48:04.600 --> 48:10.200] [SPEAKER_20]: Thanks, Shoster, for coming in and educating us on the technology at your school.
[48:12.280 --> 48:13.920] [SPEAKER_20]: That's it for us for this week.
[48:14.260 --> 48:20.780] [SPEAKER_20]: You know, in another week, there's a good chance we'll be in a country that's very different than the one we're in today.
[48:20.780 --> 48:33.860] [SPEAKER_20]: And we're either going to have an end to an election that seems to have gone on forever, or we'll be at the beginning of what could be a long and possibly painful battle.
[48:34.980 --> 48:36.600] [SPEAKER_20]: We're all feeling anxiety.
[48:37.240 --> 48:40.100] [SPEAKER_20]: We're all feeling stress over how this could go.
[48:41.280 --> 48:45.260] [SPEAKER_20]: And maybe that's the one thing that all sides have in common.
[48:46.640 --> 48:51.800] [SPEAKER_20]: But in our last show, before D-Day, I just want to make one thing clear.
[48:52.400 --> 48:54.020] [SPEAKER_20]: We are going to be okay.
[48:55.800 --> 48:58.980] [SPEAKER_20]: No matter what happens, you will still be the person you are.
[48:59.860 --> 49:01.620] [SPEAKER_20]: Your friends will still be your friends.
[49:03.660 --> 49:05.900] [SPEAKER_20]: WBAI will still be there for you.
[49:06.000 --> 49:08.060] [SPEAKER_20]: And we hope you will be there for us.
[49:09.500 --> 49:16.500] [SPEAKER_20]: You know, there may be some rough days ahead, but never forget, you are not alone.
[49:16.780 --> 49:18.580] [SPEAKER_20]: Please don't bottle your feelings up.
[49:19.060 --> 49:21.820] [SPEAKER_20]: Share them with the people you care about.
[49:22.060 --> 49:24.320] [SPEAKER_20]: Please listen to those who need a compassionate ear.
[49:26.700 --> 49:47.260] [SPEAKER_20]: My hope is that we all finally begin to heal after this incredibly long ordeal, and that we see a lot less hatred and ignorance and fear but even if that doesn't happen, we still have each other.
[49:49.060 --> 49:50.460] [SPEAKER_20]: And we will see you next week.
[49:50.600 --> 49:52.520] [SPEAKER_20]: Stay tuned to WBAI.
[49:52.720 --> 50:01.080] [SPEAKER_20]: Support us at either 833-922-4692 or buddy.wbai.org
[50:06.020 --> 50:14.080] [SPEAKER_04]: As we as we hear the last of the clip show, give each other time to deal with satellites and things like that.
[50:14.200 --> 50:17.220] [SPEAKER_04]: So let's let our caller from Iraq say the first words here.
[50:18.020 --> 50:20.380] [SPEAKER_20]: Let's go into the future.
[50:21.440 --> 50:22.280] [SPEAKER_20]: Stay free, everyone.
[50:50.420 --> 51:17.220] [SPEAKER_11]: Try to rain, try to rain on the thunder Tell a storm I'm new I'ma walk, I'ma march on the regular Painting white, black, blue Love, forgive me I've been running, running blind in truth I'ma rain, I'ma rain on the bitter love Tell a sweet I'm new I'm telling these tears Don't fall away,
[51:17.220 --> 51:27.840] [SPEAKER_11]: fall away Oh, may the last one burn into flames Freedom, freedom I can't move Freedom,
[51:33.670 --> 51:46.070] [SPEAKER_11]: freedom too I break chains up on myself Won't let my freedom ride in hell Hey I'ma keep running Cause the winners don't quit on themselves
[51:49.740 --> 51:58.940] [SPEAKER_20]: By the way, I didn't mention that Overtime is beginning on YouTube Got a Channel2600 We'll see you there You can call us Write to us oth@2600.com
[52:09.870 --> 52:36.270] [SPEAKER_11]: I'ma wait, I'ma wait through the waters Tell the tide don't move I'ma riot, I'ma riot through your borders Call me bulletproof Love, forgive me I've been running Running blind in truth I'ma wait, I'ma wait through your shallow love Tell the deep I'm new I'm telling these tears Don't fall away,
[52:36.270 --> 52:42.130] [SPEAKER_11]: fall away Oh May the last one burn into flames
[52:56.460 --> 53:05.140] [SPEAKER_11]: Won't let my freedom ride in hell Hey I'ma keep running Cause the winners don't quit on themselves
[53:18.050 --> 53:28.830] [SPEAKER_12]: Ten hell marries I meditate for practice Channel 9 news Tell me I'm moving backwards Eight blacks left Deafest around the corner Seven misleading statements I'm a little confused by my persona.
[53:29.570 --> 53:31.710] [SPEAKER_12]: Six headlights waving in my direction.
[53:32.410 --> 53:34.510] [SPEAKER_12]: Five-O axing me, what's in my possession?
[53:34.710 --> 53:34.930] [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah.
[53:35.350 --> 53:40.470] [SPEAKER_12]: I keep running, jumping to aqua, there's fire hydrous and hazardous smoke alarms on the back of what's for mama.
[53:40.630 --> 53:45.010] [SPEAKER_12]: Don't cry for me, ride for me, drive for me, live for me, breathe for me, sing for me, honestly guiding me.
[53:45.130 --> 53:51.870] [SPEAKER_12]: I can be more than I gotta be stole from me, lie to me, nation hypocrisy, cold on me, driving me wicked, my spirit inspired me like, yeah.
[53:52.350 --> 53:54.370] [SPEAKER_12]: Open correctional gates in high desert.
[53:55.130 --> 53:57.230] [SPEAKER_12]: Open our mind as we cast away oppression.
[53:58.030 --> 54:02.390] [SPEAKER_12]: Open the streets and watch our beliefs, and when they call my name inside the concrete, I pray it forever.
[54:02.830 --> 54:03.910] [SPEAKER_12]: Freedom, freedom,
[54:09.950 --> 54:10.730] [SPEAKER_11]: where are you?
[54:10.950 --> 54:12.870] [SPEAKER_11]: Cause I need freedom too.
[54:13.210 --> 54:15.730] [SPEAKER_11]: I break chains about myself.
[54:15.990 --> 54:19.170] [SPEAKER_11]: Don't let my freedom run in hell.
[54:19.550 --> 54:24.130] [SPEAKER_11]: Hey, I'ma keep running cause the winner don't quit on themselves.
[54:24.130 --> 54:24.310] [SPEAKER_11]: Me too.
[54:24.650 --> 54:24.650] Don't let my freedom.
[54:25.970 --> 54:26.550] [SPEAKER_11]: I'ma keep running cause the winner of life for us.
[54:26.550 --> 54:26.550] Don't let my freedom be liberated with us.
[54:26.550 --> 54:28.210] [SPEAKER_11]: What's the wanna stop me, is it it?
[54:28.330 --> 54:29.010] [SPEAKER_11]: True, you'll see.
[54:29.350 --> 54:30.870] [SPEAKER_11]: Oh, it's all in love.
[54:31.570 --> 54:32.450] [SPEAKER_11]: And- I like it XOR Product School Council Association.
[54:32.450 --> 54:33.970] [SPEAKER_11]: Oh, yeah, I have lots that way on with me, it's with you.
[54:53.140 --> 55:00.820] [SPEAKER_10]: I hand my hopes and down, but I always find the inner strength to pull myself open.
[55:13.800 --> 55:15.520] [SPEAKER_15]: This is Ralph Pointer.
[55:15.900 --> 55:20.440] [SPEAKER_15]: Join me and others every Wednesday, 8 to 9 p.m.
[55:20.660 --> 55:25.600] [SPEAKER_15]: Eastern Time on WBAI 99.5 on your radio now.
[55:26.760 --> 55:42.840] [SPEAKER_15]: It would appear the human movement is such that at any moment in history, there are too few that understand possibilities of existence that would benefit all who inhabit this planet and are willing to act on this understanding.
[55:43.060 --> 55:46.140] [SPEAKER_15]: This program will feature that few.
[55:46.400 --> 55:51.080] [SPEAKER_15]: What are your views on these issues that impact your life today?
[55:51.340 --> 55:54.740] [SPEAKER_15]: What are your views on America today?
[55:55.360 --> 55:58.640] [SPEAKER_15]: What are your views on America's future?
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[56:00.760 --> 56:05.500] [SPEAKER_15]: Call in 212-209-2877.
[56:05.500 --> 56:07.860] [SPEAKER_15]: Wednesday, 8 to 9 p.m.
[56:07.860 --> 56:12.380] [SPEAKER_15]: on WBAI 99.5 on your radio now.
[56:14.820 --> 56:18.980] [SPEAKER_20]: And welcome, everybody, to Off The Hook Overtime.
[56:19.160 --> 56:22.120] [SPEAKER_20]: Back for the first time in ages, I believe.
[56:22.760 --> 56:23.900] [SPEAKER_20]: Kyle, did you make it okay?
[56:24.740 --> 56:25.940] [SPEAKER_21]: I mean, I made it.
[56:26.140 --> 56:26.880] [SPEAKER_20]: Overtime land.
[56:28.280 --> 56:31.540] [SPEAKER_20]: Rob, are you in Skype-land and overtime?
[56:32.540 --> 56:34.060] [SPEAKER_18]: I am both of those things.
[56:34.260 --> 56:37.300] [SPEAKER_20]: And are we broadcasting, in fact, over, what is this, Facebook?
[56:37.540 --> 56:40.160] [SPEAKER_20]: No, not Facebook, YouTube, that one.
[56:40.740 --> 56:44.660] [SPEAKER_18]: We are broadcasting over YouTube, though we sound a little low, volume-wise.
[56:44.920 --> 56:48.180] [SPEAKER_20]: Well, I'm trying not to yell, but maybe we can adjust that.
[56:49.260 --> 56:51.300] [SPEAKER_20]: Everything is at the max over here.
[56:51.500 --> 56:54.100] [SPEAKER_20]: And, Gila, you're here?
[56:54.680 --> 56:55.260] [SPEAKER_07]: Made it.
[56:55.520 --> 56:56.720] [SPEAKER_20]: Okay, and Alex?
[56:59.380 --> 56:59.900] [SPEAKER_20]: Alex?
[57:01.100 --> 57:03.380] [SPEAKER_20]: Can you say something, Alex?
[57:04.320 --> 57:05.360] [SPEAKER_20]: It's not hard.
[57:06.180 --> 57:07.040] [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah, I'm here.
[57:07.040 --> 57:08.680] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, all you have to do is acknowledge.
[57:08.880 --> 57:09.400] [SPEAKER_02]: That's all you have to do.
[57:10.180 --> 57:11.540] [SPEAKER_02]: Did we lose our sound?
[57:11.640 --> 57:12.100] [SPEAKER_02]: Are we back?
[57:12.740 --> 57:13.660] [SPEAKER_20]: You're back now.
[57:14.280 --> 57:15.400] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, all right, we're back.
[57:15.520 --> 57:16.100] [SPEAKER_02]: I am here.
[57:16.360 --> 57:17.480] [SPEAKER_02]: We made it over to...
[57:17.480 --> 57:17.680] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[57:17.880 --> 57:19.020] [SPEAKER_02]: The transition was tough.
[57:19.460 --> 57:20.560] [SPEAKER_20]: What was the transition?
[57:20.580 --> 57:21.580] [SPEAKER_20]: You just had to sit there.
[57:21.640 --> 57:22.400] [SPEAKER_20]: That's all you had to do.
[57:22.600 --> 57:24.600] [SPEAKER_02]: All right, you have to go through hyperspace and everything.
[57:24.600 --> 57:25.300] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my goodness.
[57:25.540 --> 57:28.000] [SPEAKER_20]: And it looks like your kid, Sasha, is still with you.
[57:28.540 --> 57:28.920] [SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[57:28.960 --> 57:29.640] [SPEAKER_02]: Are you here, Sasha?
[57:29.880 --> 57:30.100] [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah.
[57:30.420 --> 57:32.460] [SPEAKER_20]: Okay, well, you're welcome to stay for overtime.
[57:32.460 --> 57:35.160] [SPEAKER_20]: But I should warn you, we're going to get phone calls.
[57:35.300 --> 57:38.620] [SPEAKER_20]: And some of those phone calls are from people that...
[57:38.620 --> 57:40.080] [SPEAKER_20]: Well, I don't know how to describe them.
[57:40.720 --> 57:41.880] [SPEAKER_21]: There might be salty language.
[57:42.080 --> 57:43.120] [SPEAKER_20]: Well, who knows?
[57:43.360 --> 57:44.180] [SPEAKER_20]: We don't know anything.
[57:44.900 --> 57:45.540] [SPEAKER_21]: That's fine.
[57:45.700 --> 57:46.800] [SPEAKER_20]: Somebody is echoing.
[57:46.920 --> 57:48.220] [SPEAKER_20]: I must ask you to stop that.
[57:48.760 --> 57:50.100] [SPEAKER_20]: Whoever is echoing.
[57:50.740 --> 57:51.820] [SPEAKER_14]: Sorry, it's me.
[57:52.140 --> 57:52.600] [SPEAKER_14]: All right.
[57:53.560 --> 57:57.060] [SPEAKER_14]: My ear was starting to hurt from my headphones, so I unplugged my headphones.
[57:57.620 --> 58:00.120] [SPEAKER_14]: It should reconcile in a second, I'm assuming.
[58:00.340 --> 58:03.940] [SPEAKER_20]: Okay, well, pain is something we all experience here at Off The Hook, for sure.
[58:05.320 --> 58:08.540] [SPEAKER_20]: But I hope that that is not unpleasant.
[58:09.320 --> 58:11.960] [SPEAKER_20]: Okay, so I think everything is working.
[58:12.160 --> 58:14.200] [SPEAKER_20]: Is our level a little bit higher, Rob?
[58:15.100 --> 58:16.040] [SPEAKER_20]: Kyle's been working hard.
[58:17.880 --> 58:19.940] [SPEAKER_18]: I think we're sounding a little bit better, yeah.
[58:20.020 --> 58:20.520] [SPEAKER_20]: Okay, all right.
[58:20.600 --> 58:21.940] [SPEAKER_20]: Hopefully the phone calls will sound good, too.
[58:22.740 --> 58:24.580] [SPEAKER_20]: All right, so we are going to open up the phone lines.
[58:24.580 --> 58:26.600] [SPEAKER_20]: That's 802-321-4225.
[58:27.780 --> 58:30.180] [SPEAKER_20]: 802-321-HACK is our phone number.
[58:31.900 --> 58:34.980] [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah, I think we have some interesting things to cover there.
[58:35.280 --> 58:37.880] [SPEAKER_20]: And a lot of history from the past.
[58:38.420 --> 58:40.440] [SPEAKER_20]: And hopefully some support for WBAI.
[58:40.520 --> 58:41.240] [SPEAKER_20]: That would be nice, wouldn't it?
[58:42.360 --> 58:44.360] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it really would be nice.
[58:44.520 --> 59:00.100] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I think that our community, especially of the overtime listeners, I really hope people are heeding this call and jumping in and calling 833-922-4692 because, you know, we are a real community here.
[59:00.260 --> 59:03.640] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I think we all look forward to Wednesday night so we can get together.
[59:04.240 --> 59:11.940] [SPEAKER_02]: And any modicum of support will help us here, will help the station, and will help keep off the hook on the airwaves.
[59:11.940 --> 59:19.840] [SPEAKER_02]: And I really do think that there's something about listening to the show together that creates a very real sense of community.
[59:19.840 --> 59:26.480] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's felt through the chat function on YouTube of all places, right?
[59:26.640 --> 59:29.100] [SPEAKER_02]: Where, you know, everyone is cordial to each other.
[59:29.180 --> 59:29.860] [SPEAKER_02]: Everyone is nice.
[59:30.040 --> 59:31.160] [SPEAKER_02]: Everyone is friendly.
[59:31.500 --> 59:32.960] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a real community.
[59:33.260 --> 59:35.000] [SPEAKER_20]: You said YouTube?
[59:35.320 --> 59:36.540] [SPEAKER_20]: Everyone's friendly and nice?
[59:36.660 --> 59:37.480] [SPEAKER_20]: What YouTube are you on?
[59:37.980 --> 59:41.720] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, the chat function of the 2600 YouTube channel.
[59:41.940 --> 59:42.820] [SPEAKER_02]: That's where I am.
[59:42.960 --> 59:43.760] [SPEAKER_02]: That's where I hang out.
[59:43.960 --> 59:45.880] [SPEAKER_20]: Maybe it's our listeners who are special.
[59:46.240 --> 59:50.320] [SPEAKER_20]: Because on most YouTube channels that I've been on, boy, it doesn't take long.
[59:50.540 --> 59:52.940] [SPEAKER_20]: It doesn't take long for somebody to set somebody else off.
[59:53.300 --> 59:53.660] [SPEAKER_01]: True.
[59:53.700 --> 59:54.800] [SPEAKER_20]: He's our excellent moderator.
[59:54.980 --> 59:55.820] [SPEAKER_20]: Also the moderator...
[59:55.820 --> 59:56.740] [SPEAKER_20]: I was about to say that, Gila.
[59:56.920 --> 01:00:02.100] [SPEAKER_20]: The moderator efforts that Gila has put into this is, you know, worthy of commendation.
[01:00:02.740 --> 01:00:02.960] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
[01:00:03.780 --> 01:00:12.980] [SPEAKER_02]: Speaking of YouTube tonight, you know, given our special guest has a school night, so we're only going to hang out for probably another 10 or 15 minutes or so.
[01:00:13.040 --> 01:00:14.180] [SPEAKER_20]: Nice try there, Alex.
[01:00:14.180 --> 01:00:15.860] [SPEAKER_20]: You don't go to school, so...
[01:00:15.860 --> 01:00:21.740] [SPEAKER_02]: But I need to escort home somebody who does go to school in the morning tomorrow.
[01:00:21.940 --> 01:00:27.220] [SPEAKER_02]: So I will probably have to peel off in probably about 15 minutes or so.
[01:00:27.340 --> 01:00:28.580] [SPEAKER_20]: You planned it this way, didn't you?
[01:00:29.980 --> 01:00:33.020] [SPEAKER_20]: Every week you find some reason to peel off early.
[01:00:33.180 --> 01:00:33.760] [SPEAKER_20]: Okay, fine.
[01:00:33.840 --> 01:00:34.200] [SPEAKER_20]: No problem.
[01:00:34.340 --> 01:00:34.580] [SPEAKER_20]: No problem.
[01:00:34.640 --> 01:00:37.500] [SPEAKER_20]: Maybe we'll all bring in kids next week and we can all peel off early.
[01:00:37.920 --> 01:00:38.800] [SPEAKER_02]: That sounds great.
[01:00:38.880 --> 01:00:39.540] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's do it.
[01:00:39.720 --> 01:00:46.480] [SPEAKER_02]: But let's take some phone calls and, you know, and hopefully Rebel doesn't take up too much of the first one.
[01:00:46.940 --> 01:00:47.580] [SPEAKER_20]: Well, let's see.
[01:00:47.720 --> 01:00:48.000] [SPEAKER_20]: Good evening.
[01:00:48.140 --> 01:00:49.040] [SPEAKER_20]: You're on Off The Hook Overtime.
[01:00:49.900 --> 01:00:50.560] [SPEAKER_20]: Hi, Emmanuel.
[01:00:50.560 --> 01:00:52.540] [SPEAKER_20]: We're calling from a payphone.
[01:00:53.320 --> 01:00:54.240] [SPEAKER_20]: That would be Rebel.
[01:00:54.820 --> 01:00:56.320] [SPEAKER_20]: Sasha, how do we explain Rebel to you?
[01:00:56.380 --> 01:00:56.800] [SPEAKER_20]: You know what?
[01:00:56.800 --> 01:00:57.720] [SPEAKER_20]: There's no explanation for this.
[01:00:57.800 --> 01:00:58.520] [SPEAKER_20]: You'll just have to listen.
[01:00:59.240 --> 01:00:59.920] [SPEAKER_20]: Go ahead, Rebel.
[01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:00.580] [SPEAKER_20]: What's on your mind?
[01:01:01.360 --> 01:01:02.520] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, I'm in store.
[01:01:02.520 --> 01:01:07.340] [SPEAKER_05]: I have a new laptop because my laptop was 10 years old and I had to get rid of it so I got a new one.
[01:01:07.780 --> 01:01:09.100] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a Windows 11 laptop.
[01:01:09.680 --> 01:01:11.460] [SPEAKER_05]: And I got an all-in-one desktop.
[01:01:11.840 --> 01:01:12.840] [SPEAKER_05]: I think I might have told you this.
[01:01:12.940 --> 01:01:13.540] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know if I did.
[01:01:14.000 --> 01:01:18.580] [SPEAKER_20]: It sure feels like you did, but yeah, you know, this conversation seems to have always been happening.
[01:01:19.360 --> 01:01:26.160] [SPEAKER_05]: I got an all-in-one desktop because I like the fact that it doesn't have a tower.
[01:01:26.480 --> 01:01:28.380] [SPEAKER_05]: It looks more like a computer terminal.
[01:01:30.020 --> 01:01:30.380] [SPEAKER_21]: Okay.
[01:01:30.380 --> 01:01:32.480] [SPEAKER_21]: I think you mean a thin client.
[01:01:33.960 --> 01:01:35.500] [SPEAKER_05]: A thin client?
[01:01:36.480 --> 01:01:50.580] [SPEAKER_21]: That's like the industry jargon for this, but you mean like a client, like a console, or like just a head, like a monitor and a keyboard and like input devices and a screen.
[01:01:50.780 --> 01:01:51.560] [SPEAKER_21]: No box.
[01:01:51.720 --> 01:01:55.760] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, just a monitor and a keyboard and of course my mouse.
[01:01:55.980 --> 01:02:01.140] [SPEAKER_05]: But it's like a computer, like a deck terminal or an IBM terminal, except mine have a mouse.
[01:02:02.040 --> 01:02:07.600] [SPEAKER_05]: Now mine, I'm going to put Linux on it because Linux is kind of like, you know, better than Windows.
[01:02:07.880 --> 01:02:09.120] [SPEAKER_05]: I've heard good things about it.
[01:02:10.060 --> 01:02:12.320] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, Linux Mint and distribution.
[01:02:12.680 --> 01:02:21.020] [SPEAKER_05]: Now, I'd want to put Linux on it so that I can, you know, this is all the battle for links that you've been involved in all year.
[01:02:21.020 --> 01:02:28.520] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but you know what I'm also prefer if you're reading an article from a newspaper and you don't want to go to the website and see all the pop-up ads and whatnot.
[01:02:30.380 --> 01:02:30.660] So...
[01:02:31.080 --> 01:02:44.740] [SPEAKER_21]: Yeah, and I mean, ad networks themselves have been attributed to various kinds of exploits and malware as sort of a delivery system.
[01:02:44.740 --> 01:02:55.040] [SPEAKER_21]: So, you're right to want to like, control how you navigate and move about the information superhighway as it were.
[01:02:55.280 --> 01:03:02.820] [SPEAKER_21]: I mean, it's basically playing around with how the public Internet is displayed.
[01:03:04.380 --> 01:03:04.860] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
[01:03:05.040 --> 01:03:08.000] [SPEAKER_05]: Now, I'm studying radio and taking...
[01:03:08.000 --> 01:03:08.760] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, hold on.
[01:03:08.840 --> 01:03:09.200] [SPEAKER_05]: Wait a minute.
[01:03:09.720 --> 01:03:10.900] [SPEAKER_05]: Why should we hold on?
[01:03:12.040 --> 01:03:12.980] [SPEAKER_05]: Somebody's calling me.
[01:03:13.240 --> 01:03:14.040] [SPEAKER_20]: Someone's calling you.
[01:03:14.100 --> 01:03:16.660] [SPEAKER_20]: Oh, well, by all means, we'll wait for this call to be finished.
[01:03:16.660 --> 01:03:18.320] [SPEAKER_20]: Tell them you called a radio show.
[01:03:18.520 --> 01:03:19.500] [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah, put us on hold.
[01:03:19.740 --> 01:03:20.320] [SPEAKER_20]: We're on hold.
[01:03:20.380 --> 01:03:22.100] [SPEAKER_20]: Can you put him on superhold?
[01:03:22.420 --> 01:03:23.500] [SPEAKER_21]: You mean, Hank...
[01:03:23.500 --> 01:03:24.300] [SPEAKER_21]: I don't mean...
[01:03:24.300 --> 01:03:24.660] [SPEAKER_21]: You know that.
[01:03:24.920 --> 01:03:25.620] [SPEAKER_21]: Press the button.
[01:03:27.940 --> 01:03:28.740] [SPEAKER_20]: You know what?
[01:03:29.080 --> 01:03:34.040] [SPEAKER_20]: 802-321-4225 is the phone number that is open now before somebody redials.
[01:03:34.260 --> 01:03:37.140] [SPEAKER_20]: So, please, let your fingers do the walking.
[01:03:38.060 --> 01:03:40.420] [SPEAKER_20]: So, yeah, Sasha, that's Rebel.
[01:03:40.620 --> 01:03:44.760] [SPEAKER_20]: He's called us every week since we went on the air the first time and there's no stopping him.
[01:03:45.860 --> 01:03:46.840] [SPEAKER_20]: And the phone's ringing.
[01:03:47.280 --> 01:03:49.660] [SPEAKER_20]: So, let's take this phone call.
[01:03:52.700 --> 01:03:53.440] [SPEAKER_20]: And good evening.
[01:03:53.600 --> 01:03:54.540] [SPEAKER_20]: You're on Off The Hook Overtime.
[01:03:55.500 --> 01:03:57.680] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I don't know why I hung up on you by accident.
[01:03:57.740 --> 01:03:59.120] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know how that happened.
[01:03:59.260 --> 01:04:01.560] [SPEAKER_20]: I do know I'm very disappointed in our other listeners.
[01:04:01.860 --> 01:04:02.840] [SPEAKER_20]: I just want to...
[01:04:03.460 --> 01:04:03.820] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[01:04:04.400 --> 01:04:04.580] [SPEAKER_05]: All right.
[01:04:04.880 --> 01:04:08.040] [SPEAKER_05]: I got a phone call and then I said, can you call me back?
[01:04:08.080 --> 01:04:08.600] [SPEAKER_05]: And they said, okay.
[01:04:08.840 --> 01:04:10.200] [SPEAKER_05]: And then I hung up but I hung up.
[01:04:10.460 --> 01:04:11.120] [SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, yeah.
[01:04:11.480 --> 01:04:13.520] [SPEAKER_05]: So, not to take too much time with this but yeah.
[01:04:13.700 --> 01:04:15.120] [SPEAKER_05]: So, Lynx and then Linux.
[01:04:15.580 --> 01:04:21.560] [SPEAKER_05]: I think the deal is just getting used to a new operating system, getting used to a new user interface.
[01:04:21.900 --> 01:04:28.740] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, it's just, you know, if somebody's not technically inclined as, you know, you guys are, you know.
[01:04:29.160 --> 01:04:30.120] [SPEAKER_21]: No, don't say that.
[01:04:30.280 --> 01:04:32.680] [SPEAKER_21]: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, don't say that.
[01:04:32.900 --> 01:04:38.640] [SPEAKER_21]: Everybody here has a story of trying out something they've totally been out of their depth with.
[01:04:38.780 --> 01:04:56.620] [SPEAKER_21]: And in my years, I'm going to say this now, like in all my years, you know, however you want to say it, whatever, I've spent a fair amount of time involved and around all kinds of different hackers and I think in my experimenting and projects and all of that,
[01:04:58.020 --> 01:05:04.880] [SPEAKER_21]: being involved and taking on tasks and projects has always meant you have no idea what you're doing.
[01:05:05.040 --> 01:05:05.720] [SPEAKER_21]: You're out of your depth.
[01:05:05.900 --> 01:05:07.200] [SPEAKER_21]: People say it'll never work.
[01:05:07.520 --> 01:05:23.260] [SPEAKER_21]: All of that is rubbish when you have the sense of accomplishment and achievement when you figure out how to work around something or how to fix something or how to break something or how to do something new or do something in a new programming language.
[01:05:23.480 --> 01:05:31.080] [SPEAKER_21]: All of those milestones are your personal achievements and they build your hacker character I guess as it were.
[01:05:31.520 --> 01:05:33.320] [SPEAKER_21]: So don't say we're experts.
[01:05:33.580 --> 01:05:38.360] [SPEAKER_21]: You are the expert now on this process and someone might be inspired by what you're doing.
[01:05:38.580 --> 01:05:45.800] [SPEAKER_21]: So we don't like that because it really does put us on some like false pedestal.
[01:05:45.920 --> 01:05:47.740] [SPEAKER_21]: Yeah, it's not right.
[01:05:47.940 --> 01:06:05.780] [SPEAKER_21]: We are regularly out of our depth trying to do something we have no idea how to do and invariably there are 10 experts who would do it 10 other ways and are disappointed in how you're approaching it but they're not doing it you're in it you're working on something you're passionate about it
[01:06:23.200 --> 01:06:28.380] [SPEAKER_05]: That's why I have to learn all the commands and, you know, the things like that.
[01:06:28.520 --> 01:06:29.000] [SPEAKER_05]: That's fine.
[01:06:29.180 --> 01:06:34.500] [SPEAKER_21]: It'll take time, but you can share it and teach it to other people after having gone through all of that.
[01:06:34.560 --> 01:06:36.340] [SPEAKER_20]: Why are they called commands?
[01:06:36.600 --> 01:06:39.320] [SPEAKER_20]: Doesn't that seem so dictatorial?
[01:06:39.560 --> 01:06:43.060] [SPEAKER_20]: I mean, in a friendly operating system, it would be requests, you know?
[01:06:43.360 --> 01:06:43.700] [SPEAKER_20]: Suggestions.
[01:06:43.880 --> 01:06:45.720] [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah, type the request to list files.
[01:06:46.280 --> 01:06:49.980] [SPEAKER_20]: I'm going to write a letter about that because this has bothered me for a while.
[01:06:49.980 --> 01:06:53.180] [SPEAKER_20]: I'll just... it's too... it's too military, you know?
[01:06:53.340 --> 01:06:55.500] [SPEAKER_20]: I don't take commands, and I don't issue commands.
[01:06:55.840 --> 01:07:02.980] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I come in like... okay, well, I come in like... I remember when I was in college, we wrote a program that me and somebody else said...
[01:07:03.740 --> 01:07:17.260] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know how DEC works, but there would be, like, ten computers in the library and ten computers in, like, the computing center and then another group of computers in another thing, and it'd be like... I guess it would be... this was back in the early 90s.
[01:07:17.260 --> 01:07:26.580] [SPEAKER_05]: Each would be a node of something, like, the ten computers in the library would have one number of something, and then another computer would have another number.
[01:07:26.820 --> 01:07:27.820] [SPEAKER_05]: Is that the way it works?
[01:07:27.980 --> 01:07:28.320] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
[01:07:28.340 --> 01:07:32.560] [SPEAKER_21]: Well, it's early multi-user systems, I think, are what you're describing.
[01:07:32.560 --> 01:07:50.620] [SPEAKER_21]: And a lot of what we do now, what you can do on a multi-user installation like Linux or any of the different distributions you mentioned, you can have multiple users, and they essentially have a client or are part of a node on that, but it's much more transparent.
[01:07:50.620 --> 01:08:05.220] [SPEAKER_21]: You don't see it in the same way as you would having walked into or stepped back into time going through those computer labs, where it's physically a monitor, and that's, you know, port 8 and 9 and 10, and they're all physically there in the computer lab.
[01:08:05.220 --> 01:08:08.500] [SPEAKER_21]: But it's very much the same structurally.
[01:08:08.640 --> 01:08:13.720] [SPEAKER_21]: I mean, the software is all derived from some of those early ventures into creating multi-user operating systems.
[01:08:13.740 --> 01:08:24.200] [SPEAKER_21]: So it's quite, I don't know, quite expected in your learning of this and the history.
[01:08:24.380 --> 01:08:30.600] [SPEAKER_21]: That's definitely what was going on, and modern implementations are just that, a modern version of all of that.
[01:08:30.800 --> 01:08:34.100] [SPEAKER_20]: With that, Rebel, we want to wish you all the best with your new technology.
[01:08:34.100 --> 01:08:34.900] [SPEAKER_05]: You'll be at the meeting.
[01:08:35.140 --> 01:08:37.580] [SPEAKER_05]: There's a 20, you know, there's 26 meetings this Friday.
[01:08:37.780 --> 01:08:38.380] [SPEAKER_20]: That's right.
[01:08:39.060 --> 01:08:41.120] [SPEAKER_20]: The meetings are... Rob, you want to tell us about the meetings?
[01:08:42.200 --> 01:08:42.580] [SPEAKER_18]: Yep.
[01:08:42.680 --> 01:08:57.820] [SPEAKER_18]: The meetings happen throughout much of the world on the first Friday of every month, and our local one at the Citigroup Center on 53rd and Lexington, well, now it's called The Hue, happens right in the food court there at this Friday evening.
[01:08:58.180 --> 01:09:01.500] [SPEAKER_18]: And, you know, that's a good place for us to hang out.
[01:09:01.500 --> 01:09:05.680] [SPEAKER_18]: It's, I think, where I met most of you who are on this program with me, and you, Rebel.
[01:09:07.460 --> 01:09:10.560] [SPEAKER_18]: And, yeah, worth checking out if you haven't, worth going back if you have.
[01:09:10.680 --> 01:09:16.600] [SPEAKER_20]: And I believe the list of meetings has been updated to include all the November changes, additions, that kind of thing.
[01:09:17.060 --> 01:09:20.100] [SPEAKER_20]: Go to 2600.com/meetings to get all that information.
[01:09:20.240 --> 01:09:24.760] [SPEAKER_20]: Rebel, best of luck with your new technology, and please keep us updated.
[01:09:25.240 --> 01:09:32.020] [SPEAKER_20]: We're going to open up the phone lines for another call, and hopefully, Alex, you can stick around for one more call so that Rebel isn't the only voice that Sasha hears.
[01:09:33.660 --> 01:09:35.420] [SPEAKER_20]: Not that we don't enjoy talking to Rebel.
[01:09:35.640 --> 01:09:38.080] [SPEAKER_20]: And, Kyle, you made that a very interesting conversation, I think.
[01:09:39.200 --> 01:09:42.480] [SPEAKER_20]: 802-321-4225 is our telephone number.
[01:09:42.720 --> 01:09:50.280] [SPEAKER_20]: Please, anyone out there who wishes to call in and be a part of it, part of the conversation, please call us now.
[01:09:50.380 --> 01:09:52.120] [SPEAKER_20]: 802-321-4225.
[01:09:54.440 --> 01:10:00.140] [SPEAKER_18]: And while we're waiting for that phone call, just another little plug for buddy.wbai.org.
[01:10:00.140 --> 01:10:02.920] [SPEAKER_18]: If you'd like to throw in some support, keep our radio station up and running.
[01:10:03.120 --> 01:10:08.320] [SPEAKER_18]: Or you can give them a call at 833-WBAI-NYC.
[01:10:08.940 --> 01:10:09.480] [SPEAKER_20]: That's right.
[01:10:09.620 --> 01:10:10.540] [SPEAKER_20]: And we have another call.
[01:10:10.720 --> 01:10:11.080] [SPEAKER_20]: Good evening.
[01:10:11.200 --> 01:10:12.080] [SPEAKER_20]: You're on Off The Hook Overtime.
[01:10:13.340 --> 01:10:14.000] [SPEAKER_08]: Hi, gang.
[01:10:14.140 --> 01:10:15.600] [SPEAKER_08]: Tim in Connecticut here.
[01:10:15.720 --> 01:10:16.240] [SPEAKER_08]: How are you guys doing?
[01:10:16.240 --> 01:10:17.040] [SPEAKER_20]: It's Tim in Connecticut.
[01:10:17.040 --> 01:10:18.360] [SPEAKER_20]: Where are you this week, Tim?
[01:10:19.900 --> 01:10:20.380] [SPEAKER_08]: Connecticut.
[01:10:20.720 --> 01:10:22.000] [SPEAKER_20]: Oh, now I get it.
[01:10:22.120 --> 01:10:22.380] [SPEAKER_20]: Okay.
[01:10:22.940 --> 01:10:24.600] [SPEAKER_20]: You've been telling us the whole time.
[01:10:24.740 --> 01:10:24.960] [SPEAKER_20]: Wow.
[01:10:25.720 --> 01:10:26.120] [SPEAKER_08]: Of course.
[01:10:26.660 --> 01:10:26.880] [SPEAKER_20]: Uh-huh.
[01:10:26.960 --> 01:10:38.260] [SPEAKER_08]: Let's see, I wanted to say that the front cover of Volume 41, Number 3, Autumn 2024, is just amazingly outstanding.
[01:10:38.760 --> 01:10:43.960] [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah, you know, that's been the consensus I've heard from many people, that it's, uh, that's a gem.
[01:10:45.080 --> 01:10:49.500] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, it's so far away from the norm.
[01:10:49.960 --> 01:10:51.880] [SPEAKER_08]: It's just, um, wow.
[01:10:52.040 --> 01:10:53.240] [SPEAKER_08]: It took a lot of work, I'm guessing.
[01:10:54.080 --> 01:10:56.740] [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah, the covers take an awful lot.
[01:10:56.860 --> 01:10:59.940] [SPEAKER_20]: Our cover artist does tremendous work, and, uh, it's just...
[01:11:00.640 --> 01:11:03.380] [SPEAKER_20]: Every issue is, uh, we're blown away by.
[01:11:03.460 --> 01:11:08.380] [SPEAKER_21]: Every time I look at that cover, I see something else, and I start looking deeper.
[01:11:08.560 --> 01:11:09.420] [SPEAKER_21]: I fall into it.
[01:11:09.880 --> 01:11:11.900] [SPEAKER_21]: Every corner of it, it just is meticulous.
[01:11:11.900 --> 01:11:15.340] [SPEAKER_21]: I feel very much the same way, and it's, it's, uh, truly...
[01:11:15.340 --> 01:11:21.740] [SPEAKER_21]: It's impressive what, uh, what dedication, each, each part of the production and the community that goes...
[01:11:21.740 --> 01:11:25.180] [SPEAKER_21]: The hard work that goes into that, it's, uh, it's really outstanding.
[01:11:25.320 --> 01:11:29.340] [SPEAKER_21]: I think it's a testament to, uh, trying on new tools, you know?
[01:11:29.500 --> 01:11:37.440] [SPEAKER_21]: Like, there are new things out there that we can fight them in some sense, but we can also, um, play with them and integrate them.
[01:11:37.540 --> 01:11:46.820] [SPEAKER_21]: That's the spirit, and, uh, I'm so inspired by that playfulness on, um, uh, the cover artist team, and the, the, just the imagination that comes out in that.
[01:11:47.020 --> 01:11:49.880] [SPEAKER_21]: I'm, I'm, I'm feeling the same thing, so it's great to hear that.
[01:11:50.040 --> 01:11:50.540] [SPEAKER_21]: Go ahead, Alex.
[01:11:50.960 --> 01:12:00.020] [SPEAKER_08]: And there's so many different pieces of logic that I question, like Charlie Brown talking to the shoe, saying, operator, I would like to report a singularity.
[01:12:00.580 --> 01:12:00.940] [SPEAKER_13]: Mm-hmm.
[01:12:00.940 --> 01:12:12.260] [SPEAKER_08]: So in talking to the shoe, like, get smart, age at 99, or report a singularity, you know, uh, all the questions.
[01:12:12.760 --> 01:12:13.380] [SPEAKER_20]: Go ahead, Alex.
[01:12:13.420 --> 01:12:16.740] [SPEAKER_08]: Hey, by the way, I got my USB, uh, Hope stick.
[01:12:17.060 --> 01:12:17.540] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, good.
[01:12:17.680 --> 01:12:19.900] [SPEAKER_08]: And, boy, that is so nice.
[01:12:20.100 --> 01:12:22.720] [SPEAKER_20]: There's a, there's a lot of talks there, and yes, we do have those available.
[01:12:22.760 --> 01:12:26.460] [SPEAKER_20]: I don't know if we've been on, uh, all the time since, uh, uh, since they became available.
[01:12:26.560 --> 01:12:40.020] [SPEAKER_20]: But yes, all the Hope Talks from Hope XV this summer, uh, available at the 2600 store, uh, and you get, uh, not only all the talks, but you get four different languages, uh, subtitled, which we've never done before.
[01:12:40.160 --> 01:12:40.900] [SPEAKER_20]: And they're all pretty good.
[01:12:41.080 --> 01:12:42.100] [SPEAKER_20]: Alex, I think you have something to say.
[01:12:42.180 --> 01:12:42.360] [SPEAKER_20]: Go ahead.
[01:12:42.820 --> 01:12:43.160] [SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[01:12:43.420 --> 01:12:53.660] [SPEAKER_02]: Our, our caller had mentioned the, uh, the, the cover of, of 2600, and Sasha has been admiring it, by the way, for the last few minutes here, uh, coincidentally.
[01:12:53.740 --> 01:12:59.320] [SPEAKER_02]: So I, I want to open it up and ask for your observations, Sasha, on, on this cover.
[01:12:59.420 --> 01:13:00.560] [SPEAKER_02]: What do you, what do you think about it?
[01:13:00.560 --> 01:13:14.560] [SPEAKER_17]: Well, my observations are, I think it's very weird because Bart Simpson turned into a time printing machine, and it seems that there's a McDonald's sign on, like, a really sweaty guy.
[01:13:16.180 --> 01:13:17.580] [SPEAKER_19]: And what's going on there?
[01:13:17.720 --> 01:13:20.920] [SPEAKER_17]: And then there's a elephant, random elephant fighting a woman.
[01:13:21.500 --> 01:13:25.320] [SPEAKER_17]: And then Star Wars, and then, uh, Darth Vader swinging in.
[01:13:26.040 --> 01:13:28.100] [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah, you, you picked up a lot.
[01:13:28.280 --> 01:13:35.000] [SPEAKER_20]: Uh, there's a lot there, and it, it, it means different things, to different people, and our cover artist will never reveal exactly what it means.
[01:13:36.200 --> 01:13:40.600] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, not, not unless maybe we, we find him, we interrogate him directly.
[01:13:40.800 --> 01:13:41.300] [SPEAKER_02]: It won't work.
[01:13:41.360 --> 01:13:41.840] [SPEAKER_20]: It won't work.
[01:13:41.960 --> 01:13:42.300] [SPEAKER_20]: It's been tried.
[01:13:42.880 --> 01:13:43.340] [SPEAKER_20]: Okay.
[01:13:43.680 --> 01:13:44.000] [SPEAKER_20]: All right.
[01:13:44.120 --> 01:13:44.520] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll see.
[01:13:44.720 --> 01:13:45.020] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[01:13:46.080 --> 01:13:48.420] [SPEAKER_20]: Tim, do you have any other, um, uh, comments or thoughts?
[01:13:49.160 --> 01:13:55.400] [SPEAKER_08]: No, other than the, uh, quality of that 256 gig stick is just amazing.
[01:13:55.580 --> 01:13:56.700] [SPEAKER_08]: Those are great things to have.
[01:13:56.700 --> 01:14:04.000] [SPEAKER_08]: Um, and of course, once you push everything down onto your hard drive, that's a heck of a, Tim, to just simply use it day to day.
[01:14:04.240 --> 01:14:13.040] [SPEAKER_21]: A lot, a lot goes into selecting those because, um, as you know, as anybody knows, a lot of the, the sizes and the constraints, they change.
[01:14:13.220 --> 01:14:18.940] [SPEAKER_21]: And we, we do spend a fair amount of time finding what, what the best hardware is.
[01:14:19.160 --> 01:14:27.460] [SPEAKER_21]: And, um, and I know, uh, E puts it through its paces, make sure that it will work the way, uh, we intend so that everybody gets something that's consistent.
[01:14:27.600 --> 01:14:38.400] [SPEAKER_20]: And the real credit goes to Jolie over at Internet, uh, society who did a phenomenal job, uh, not only putting all this together, but capturing it, uh, in all three speaker rooms.
[01:14:38.400 --> 01:14:44.000] [SPEAKER_20]: It was, uh, simply, uh, a staggering job, but one which he tackled and, and, um,
[01:14:47.200 --> 01:14:48.240] [SPEAKER_20]: and getting it all done.
[01:14:48.480 --> 01:14:49.060] [SPEAKER_20]: Gila, you had something?
[01:14:50.040 --> 01:14:54.240] [SPEAKER_14]: Um, I did, but it can wait until we're off the phone with Tim.
[01:14:54.500 --> 01:14:54.640] [SPEAKER_14]: Okay.
[01:14:54.740 --> 01:14:56.500] [SPEAKER_14]: Cause it's just pushing some stuff from the chat.
[01:14:56.640 --> 01:14:56.760] [SPEAKER_14]: Sorry.
[01:14:56.880 --> 01:14:57.420] [SPEAKER_20]: I was just...
[01:14:57.420 --> 01:14:57.800] [SPEAKER_20]: Fair enough.
[01:14:57.960 --> 01:14:59.140] [SPEAKER_20]: Uh, Alex, you have something else.
[01:14:59.680 --> 01:15:11.060] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we, we just wanted to say goodnight to everybody because it's, it is getting late over here and we, very much appreciate the hospitality for Sasha tonight on WBAI and on Off The Hook Overtime.
[01:15:11.260 --> 01:15:11.660] [SPEAKER_20]: Hang on.
[01:15:11.760 --> 01:15:12.580] [SPEAKER_20]: Has everybody voted?
[01:15:14.100 --> 01:15:15.160] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I have.
[01:15:15.540 --> 01:15:15.840] [SPEAKER_20]: Okay.
[01:15:15.940 --> 01:15:16.520] [SPEAKER_20]: Tim has voted.
[01:15:16.760 --> 01:15:18.220] [SPEAKER_20]: Rob, Firefly has voted.
[01:15:18.480 --> 01:15:19.820] [SPEAKER_20]: Uh, Sasha, you voted.
[01:15:20.940 --> 01:15:22.820] [SPEAKER_20]: He, why are you nodding your head?
[01:15:23.220 --> 01:15:23.600] [SPEAKER_20]: What are you?
[01:15:23.720 --> 01:15:24.320] [SPEAKER_20]: 10, 11?
[01:15:24.640 --> 01:15:25.260] [SPEAKER_20]: What, how old is he?
[01:15:25.960 --> 01:15:26.680] [SPEAKER_21]: Yeah, he's 11.
[01:15:26.840 --> 01:15:27.120] [SPEAKER_21]: He's 11.
[01:15:27.680 --> 01:15:28.780] [SPEAKER_20]: Can 11 year olds vote?
[01:15:29.040 --> 01:15:29.500] [SPEAKER_20]: They can?
[01:15:29.820 --> 01:15:31.520] [SPEAKER_21]: I think they have a kid's vote somewhere.
[01:15:31.980 --> 01:15:32.700] [SPEAKER_21]: I didn't know that.
[01:15:32.820 --> 01:15:33.460] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, that's right.
[01:15:33.540 --> 01:15:33.900] [SPEAKER_08]: They did.
[01:15:34.000 --> 01:15:34.840] [SPEAKER_20]: I didn't know that.
[01:15:35.080 --> 01:15:35.440] [SPEAKER_20]: Wow.
[01:15:35.640 --> 01:15:35.860] [SPEAKER_20]: Okay.
[01:15:35.860 --> 01:15:41.600] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, they did like an informal survey of students.
[01:15:42.720 --> 01:15:45.320] [SPEAKER_20]: Now, I was continuing my interrogation here.
[01:15:45.400 --> 01:15:47.960] [SPEAKER_20]: Alex, have you voted or are you about to vote or going to vote?
[01:15:48.160 --> 01:15:49.020] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm about to vote.
[01:15:49.280 --> 01:15:54.100] [SPEAKER_02]: And actually, this kind of brings up next week, too, because I'm actually going to be flying out.
[01:15:54.260 --> 01:15:54.880] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my God.
[01:15:54.880 --> 01:15:57.920] [SPEAKER_20]: So another excuse for not being with us next week.
[01:15:58.140 --> 01:15:58.700] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's right.
[01:15:58.820 --> 01:16:02.480] [SPEAKER_02]: But I'm going to be flying out to Bangkok.
[01:16:03.580 --> 01:16:05.180] [SPEAKER_20]: You don't have to do that to vote.
[01:16:05.320 --> 01:16:06.200] [SPEAKER_20]: You can vote right here.
[01:16:06.400 --> 01:16:07.440] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, next week.
[01:16:07.880 --> 01:16:12.560] [SPEAKER_02]: But I think I'm going to be in the air during the next show.
[01:16:12.960 --> 01:16:20.800] [SPEAKER_02]: However, I think the Internet connection will be sufficient so that I can join the show wherever I am in the middle of the flight.
[01:16:21.060 --> 01:16:22.720] [SPEAKER_20]: Also, they're a day ahead.
[01:16:22.720 --> 01:16:28.540] [SPEAKER_20]: So you will still be here when we're on the air because you'll be there a day ahead.
[01:16:29.040 --> 01:16:29.680] [SPEAKER_20]: Do you understand?
[01:16:29.920 --> 01:16:30.980] [SPEAKER_08]: Guys, I'm going to jump off.
[01:16:31.100 --> 01:16:33.200] [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah, I've got to explain time to Alex here.
[01:16:33.320 --> 01:16:34.420] [SPEAKER_20]: But thanks for your call, Tim.
[01:16:35.120 --> 01:16:35.460] [SPEAKER_20]: That's true.
[01:16:36.320 --> 01:16:38.180] [SPEAKER_20]: And Gila, you had something to add.
[01:16:38.300 --> 01:16:40.040] [SPEAKER_20]: Was there something that you were going to add before?
[01:16:40.720 --> 01:16:40.980] [SPEAKER_20]: Yes.
[01:16:41.140 --> 01:16:42.080] [SPEAKER_20]: Waiting for Tim to leave.
[01:16:42.600 --> 01:16:43.380] [SPEAKER_20]: Something Tim can hear.
[01:16:43.600 --> 01:16:43.760] [SPEAKER_20]: Okay.
[01:16:43.840 --> 01:16:47.340] [SPEAKER_14]: So, number one, Alex and Sasha, before you guys go.
[01:16:49.740 --> 01:16:52.600] [SPEAKER_14]: And I quote, hope Sasha returns as a guest.
[01:16:52.720 --> 01:16:53.640] [SPEAKER_14]: Smiley face.
[01:16:54.360 --> 01:16:55.180] [SPEAKER_14]: I concur.
[01:16:55.660 --> 01:16:58.720] [SPEAKER_14]: I just wanted to let you know that that's, you've got fans in the chat, my dude.
[01:16:59.700 --> 01:17:04.020] [SPEAKER_20]: And if Alex can't make it, you know, Sasha is a good fill in, I think.
[01:17:04.860 --> 01:17:05.180] [SPEAKER_20]: Mm-hmm.
[01:17:05.420 --> 01:17:05.540] [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah.
[01:17:05.640 --> 01:17:05.860] [SPEAKER_14]: Absolutely.
[01:17:06.300 --> 01:17:12.020] [SPEAKER_14]: Also, Alex, you remember the time you tried to do the show from the plane to DEFCON?
[01:17:12.880 --> 01:17:12.980] [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[01:17:12.980 --> 01:17:14.700] [SPEAKER_14]: And what an utter cluster that was.
[01:17:15.060 --> 01:17:15.200] [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah.
[01:17:15.440 --> 01:17:18.700] [SPEAKER_20]: They had to do an emergency landing because the sound was so bad.
[01:17:19.400 --> 01:17:24.820] [SPEAKER_20]: It was, it was bothering everybody, including in the, in the, in the cockpit.
[01:17:25.580 --> 01:17:28.940] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to be on a different airline in a different class.
[01:17:29.700 --> 01:17:32.280] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to be, I should be on Qatar Airways.
[01:17:32.460 --> 01:17:36.200] [SPEAKER_02]: I, I think it's going to be a lot better than like, you know, an economy class.
[01:17:36.200 --> 01:17:42.720] [SPEAKER_02]: But I've actually done video calls with colleagues on the same airline while they've been in flight.
[01:17:42.960 --> 01:17:44.180] [SPEAKER_02]: So I think we should give it a shot.
[01:17:44.380 --> 01:17:48.020] [SPEAKER_02]: If it, if it stinks, you know, we cut it off before it ruins the show.
[01:17:48.120 --> 01:17:50.180] [SPEAKER_02]: But, I think we should give it a shot.
[01:17:50.320 --> 01:17:51.800] [SPEAKER_20]: Well, bump yourself up to first class.
[01:17:52.100 --> 01:17:56.600] [SPEAKER_20]: That'll guarantee that you at least have, you know, all the technology that's available.
[01:17:57.120 --> 01:17:57.820] [SPEAKER_02]: There you go.
[01:17:58.000 --> 01:17:58.140] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[01:17:58.280 --> 01:18:00.220] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'll be in the class next to it.
[01:18:00.440 --> 01:18:01.900] [SPEAKER_02]: So, that'll, that'll be fine.
[01:18:02.100 --> 01:18:06.000] [SPEAKER_14]: I mean, aren't you going to basically have like your own little roomette on the plane if you're in business class?
[01:18:06.940 --> 01:18:07.740] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you do.
[01:18:07.980 --> 01:18:08.200] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[01:18:08.460 --> 01:18:11.020] [SPEAKER_20]: If you're in first class, you get a room and a bathroom and a den.
[01:18:12.320 --> 01:18:13.160] [SPEAKER_02]: That'd be nice.
[01:18:13.480 --> 01:18:14.120] [SPEAKER_02]: It would be nice.
[01:18:14.520 --> 01:18:14.880] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[01:18:15.160 --> 01:18:15.440] [SPEAKER_02]: No.
[01:18:16.080 --> 01:18:18.880] [SPEAKER_02]: But, in any event, everybody, we're, we're off.
[01:18:19.100 --> 01:18:19.400] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[01:18:19.400 --> 01:18:22.000] [SPEAKER_02]: So, we, we love you all.
[01:18:22.160 --> 01:18:22.980] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll talk to you soon.
[01:18:23.260 --> 01:18:27.520] [SPEAKER_02]: And, hopefully, I'll, I'll hear you all next week when I'm in the air.
[01:18:27.640 --> 01:18:30.580] [SPEAKER_02]: Or maybe I'll be in the, in the lounge in Doha.
[01:18:30.740 --> 01:18:31.060] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[01:18:31.140 --> 01:18:32.180] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll have to figure out the timing.
[01:18:32.500 --> 01:18:33.440] [SPEAKER_02]: But, I'll see you then.
[01:18:33.700 --> 01:18:33.900] [SPEAKER_20]: Okay.
[01:18:34.500 --> 01:18:35.680] [SPEAKER_20]: You know, Thailand's to the west, though.
[01:18:39.480 --> 01:18:41.360] [SPEAKER_20]: I don't think he has a sense of direction.
[01:18:41.980 --> 01:18:42.380] [SPEAKER_20]: Depends.
[01:18:42.700 --> 01:18:42.840] [SPEAKER_20]: Depends.
[01:18:42.840 --> 01:18:43.620] [SPEAKER_20]: Why is he still here?
[01:18:43.720 --> 01:18:45.340] [SPEAKER_20]: I'm talking about him behind his back and he's still here.
[01:18:45.840 --> 01:18:46.380] [SPEAKER_21]: There we go.
[01:18:46.580 --> 01:18:46.760] [SPEAKER_21]: All right.
[01:18:46.920 --> 01:18:47.020] [SPEAKER_21]: Fire.
[01:18:47.260 --> 01:18:48.420] [SPEAKER_21]: Plus hub and spoke.
[01:18:48.700 --> 01:18:50.140] [SPEAKER_21]: Like, it's, I don't know.
[01:18:50.360 --> 01:18:52.780] [SPEAKER_21]: If he's taking one airline, they're going to go to their hub.
[01:18:52.940 --> 01:18:56.500] [SPEAKER_20]: Well, if you left on the west coast, you definitely wouldn't go, uh, through, through Doha.
[01:18:56.840 --> 01:19:02.760] [SPEAKER_21]: Transfer everybody else that's going to the destination via their hub to that flight.
[01:19:04.020 --> 01:19:07.100] [SPEAKER_20]: I think the plane is a mistake, but that's just my view.
[01:19:07.260 --> 01:19:07.960] [SPEAKER_20]: Go ahead, Gila.
[01:19:08.280 --> 01:19:08.640] [SPEAKER_14]: Okay.
[01:19:08.760 --> 01:19:09.580] [SPEAKER_14]: A couple other things.
[01:19:09.840 --> 01:19:15.560] [SPEAKER_14]: Number one, uh, the Manchester 2600 meeting is not meeting in two days.
[01:19:15.680 --> 01:19:17.420] [SPEAKER_14]: It's meeting in a week and two days.
[01:19:17.420 --> 01:19:29.460] [SPEAKER_14]: So, if you're in Manchester and listening to this before November 8th, 2024, Manchester 2600 is meeting on November 8th, Does this have something to do with All Saints Day?
[01:19:31.300 --> 01:19:32.460] [SPEAKER_14]: Sunsocks, let us know.
[01:19:32.600 --> 01:19:33.340] [SPEAKER_14]: I don't know.
[01:19:33.560 --> 01:19:36.860] [SPEAKER_14]: Um, but I'm passing on the message as promised.
[01:19:37.300 --> 01:19:40.320] [SPEAKER_14]: Number three, I also voted.
[01:19:40.920 --> 01:19:42.240] [SPEAKER_20]: I was getting to you.
[01:19:42.240 --> 01:19:59.480] [SPEAKER_14]: But I did want to share a very cool tool for our listeners in the five boroughs that comprise New York City, which if you go to vote.nyc, there is a wait times map for early voting locations.
[01:20:00.940 --> 01:20:01.640] [SPEAKER_20]: Okay.
[01:20:02.060 --> 01:20:09.260] [SPEAKER_14]: That shows color-coded red, yellow, or green how long the wait time is at your early voting location.
[01:20:09.700 --> 01:20:11.460] [SPEAKER_14]: And is it red in many places?
[01:20:12.260 --> 01:20:13.680] [SPEAKER_14]: I have never...
[01:20:13.680 --> 01:20:15.280] [SPEAKER_14]: I have not yet seen it red, honestly.
[01:20:15.420 --> 01:20:17.020] [SPEAKER_14]: I mean, currently the polling places are closed.
[01:20:17.120 --> 01:20:17.960] [SPEAKER_14]: They're closed at 8 o'clock.
[01:20:18.560 --> 01:20:24.300] [SPEAKER_14]: But, um, our early voting location yesterday, we breezed in, breezed out.
[01:20:24.520 --> 01:20:28.160] [SPEAKER_14]: The thing that took the longest was we didn't have our barcode things.
[01:20:28.340 --> 01:20:30.280] [SPEAKER_14]: They weren't sure what...
[01:20:30.280 --> 01:20:31.060] [SPEAKER_14]: what's it called?
[01:20:31.220 --> 01:20:31.460] [SPEAKER_14]: Where were we in?
[01:20:32.240 --> 01:20:34.180] [SPEAKER_14]: Um, so looking up our...
[01:20:34.180 --> 01:20:34.900] [SPEAKER_14]: Thank you.
[01:20:35.280 --> 01:20:37.600] [SPEAKER_14]: Looking up our address information took like an extra minute.
[01:20:38.080 --> 01:20:51.440] [SPEAKER_14]: Um, it was very easy and prevented us from having to go to our normal polling place, which is in a high school and certainly gives me traumatic flashbacks.
[01:20:51.880 --> 01:20:52.460] [SPEAKER_14]: I...
[01:20:52.460 --> 01:20:55.280] [SPEAKER_14]: so am excited not to have to do that.
[01:20:56.320 --> 01:20:57.740] [SPEAKER_14]: Um, also...
[01:20:57.740 --> 01:20:57.900] [SPEAKER_14]: Oh!
[01:21:00.080 --> 01:21:07.080] [SPEAKER_14]: November 8th is the first birthday of the Manchester 2600 meeting.
[01:21:07.080 --> 01:21:10.760] [SPEAKER_14]: that is why they're beating that day.
[01:21:11.020 --> 01:21:11.360] [SPEAKER_14]: I see.
[01:21:11.660 --> 01:21:11.880] [SPEAKER_14]: Okay.
[01:21:12.220 --> 01:21:12.600] [SPEAKER_14]: All right.
[01:21:13.680 --> 01:21:14.380] [SPEAKER_14]: Thank you, Fun Socks.
[01:21:15.960 --> 01:21:21.800] [SPEAKER_14]: Um, also as a reminder, if you're looking for your local meeting, always check out 2600.com/meetings.
[01:21:22.180 --> 01:21:25.140] [SPEAKER_14]: Uh, all the information is there.
[01:21:25.320 --> 01:21:25.720] [SPEAKER_20]: Hang on.
[01:21:26.220 --> 01:21:27.180] [SPEAKER_20]: Something doesn't add up here.
[01:21:28.140 --> 01:21:33.360] [SPEAKER_20]: How can November 8th be their first anniversary since November 8th can never be the first Friday?
[01:21:35.120 --> 01:21:35.760] [SPEAKER_14]: That's true.
[01:21:36.160 --> 01:21:40.320] [SPEAKER_14]: I'm assuming that November 8th is the day they got together and said, hey, let's do this.
[01:21:40.480 --> 01:21:42.720] [SPEAKER_20]: On the second Friday instead of the first Friday.
[01:21:42.920 --> 01:21:44.020] [SPEAKER_20]: Meetings are on the first Friday.
[01:21:44.220 --> 01:21:45.200] [SPEAKER_20]: This is an exception.
[01:21:45.200 --> 01:21:47.460] [SPEAKER_20]: It's a second Friday this time because it's the anniversary.
[01:21:47.760 --> 01:21:53.200] [SPEAKER_20]: But, if the anniversary is also the 8th, it wouldn't be a Friday for one thing.
[01:21:53.500 --> 01:21:54.820] [SPEAKER_20]: That's something, something's fishy.
[01:21:55.180 --> 01:21:56.540] [SPEAKER_20]: I'm going to get to the bottom of this.
[01:21:56.940 --> 01:22:05.200] [SPEAKER_14]: Zap, I know it's late, but if you'd be willing to call in and clarify this for all of us, we'd appreciate that.
[01:22:06.220 --> 01:22:09.160] [SPEAKER_20]: I just like to put dots on top of the T's, you know what I mean?
[01:22:10.640 --> 01:22:12.780] [SPEAKER_14]: You're looking for your jots and tittles is what you're saying?
[01:22:13.120 --> 01:22:15.200] [SPEAKER_20]: It's just, I like things to be neat and tidy.
[01:22:15.900 --> 01:22:18.400] [SPEAKER_20]: 802-321-4225 is our telephone number.
[01:22:19.780 --> 01:22:23.020] [SPEAKER_20]: Kyle, okay, you want to explain to us what kind of device you've got?
[01:22:23.180 --> 01:22:24.400] [SPEAKER_21]: Oh, no, I put it away.
[01:22:24.620 --> 01:22:25.140] [SPEAKER_20]: You put it away?
[01:22:25.380 --> 01:22:26.460] [SPEAKER_20]: Oh, I thought it was going to come out.
[01:22:27.120 --> 01:22:28.500] [SPEAKER_21]: No, no, I was just playing around.
[01:22:28.680 --> 01:22:35.000] [SPEAKER_21]: I was cleaning up my soldering station where I workbench, as it were.
[01:22:35.600 --> 01:22:37.520] [SPEAKER_21]: And I found a bunch of old stuff.
[01:22:37.520 --> 01:22:43.760] [SPEAKER_21]: I had a TVBGone Pro that needs a new battery and it's a very strange battery.
[01:22:43.760 --> 01:22:49.560] [SPEAKER_21]: So I got to talk to the chief over there at the TVBGone firm.
[01:22:49.760 --> 01:22:50.600] [SPEAKER_20]: Oh, I think I know him.
[01:22:50.760 --> 01:22:52.680] [SPEAKER_21]: Yeah, or just search around.
[01:22:52.740 --> 01:22:57.120] [SPEAKER_21]: I was looking for that, but I desoldered it and put the battery somewhere safe.
[01:22:57.120 --> 01:23:03.100] [SPEAKER_21]: But I also found this toy that I had bought a while ago just to practice soldering.
[01:23:03.200 --> 01:23:06.180] [SPEAKER_21]: It's like a kit, you know, like a toy kit.
[01:23:06.300 --> 01:23:07.980] [SPEAKER_21]: And this kit is a voice changer.
[01:23:08.080 --> 01:23:11.100] [SPEAKER_21]: So it's just like really basic and I was playing around with that.
[01:23:11.220 --> 01:23:15.860] [SPEAKER_21]: But I had built the whole thing and basically it never worked.
[01:23:16.640 --> 01:23:18.460] [SPEAKER_21]: I don't know what happened.
[01:23:18.460 --> 01:23:31.380] [SPEAKER_21]: and then since I had cleaned up my workspace I was able to play around more after getting frustrated that I couldn't make it work after fixing some of the input wiring because it came with like a really tiny microphone.
[01:23:32.260 --> 01:23:47.600] [SPEAKER_21]: And anyway, so I was fixing up all the connections to adapt to some like, let's say, unbalanced audio equipment so I could play around like we have a megaphone speaker from announcements at One of the Hopes a while ago.
[01:23:47.780 --> 01:23:49.520] [SPEAKER_20]: It didn't sound like that though, did it?
[01:23:49.820 --> 01:23:50.660] [SPEAKER_20]: Like Darth Vader?
[01:23:51.220 --> 01:23:52.060] [SPEAKER_21]: The announcements?
[01:23:52.280 --> 01:23:52.440] [SPEAKER_21]: Yeah.
[01:23:53.060 --> 01:23:53.360] [SPEAKER_21]: No, no.
[01:23:53.420 --> 01:23:54.360] [SPEAKER_21]: Those were all pre-recorded.
[01:23:54.420 --> 01:23:56.940] [SPEAKER_21]: We played those from like small players.
[01:23:57.820 --> 01:24:10.920] [SPEAKER_21]: But in this case I just used it as a like mono input and the kit had an amplifier itself so I was tuning that getting the audio just right and I cleaned it like I said cleaned up some of the connections so now it works.
[01:24:10.920 --> 01:24:15.080] [SPEAKER_21]: And it was fun to play around with and I thought it would be spooky for Halloween, but...
[01:24:15.080 --> 01:24:15.900] [SPEAKER_20]: It scared me.
[01:24:16.160 --> 01:24:43.640] [SPEAKER_21]: Yeah, well, the funny thing is like I fixed it after it's sitting around complete and like there were some traces that were pulling off so I had to like push wire through and do some like some weird kind of jumps to the resistor and anyway, like it works consistently now and like the joy a silly little toy brought me I was like giggling and kind of beside myself from how dumb I was like all the
[01:24:43.640 --> 01:25:02.260] [SPEAKER_21]: sounds I was making with my voice and just being silly but it it entertained me Oh, it entertained me too believe me It kept me kept me going I think the neighbors were also amused and yeah And then you caught me you were like did I hear robot Kyle come back on the microphone and I was like oh,
[01:25:02.380 --> 01:25:25.040] [SPEAKER_20]: you heard that Well, I dreamed about it too so it's quite possible that it was just in my head but apparently you were also messing around with it still Yeah, yeah and now I can make proper threats So anyway Good, good 802-321-4225 if there are any more callers out there if there are not we're going to wrap things up and maybe a little bit early this night That's what happens sometimes when we're
[01:25:25.040 --> 01:25:56.180] [SPEAKER_20]: off the air for three weeks or off overtime for three weeks people don't come streaming back quite as quickly but here's your chance 802-321-4225 anything you want to get off your chest or talk about ask us about tomorrow's Halloween Yeah Friday is 2600 meeting day in most places and All Saints Day whatever you're supposed to do on that day We accept email too oth@2600.com and your feedback
[01:25:56.180 --> 01:26:15.920] [SPEAKER_21]: you know ask us stuff that we're not talking about or that we're not you know big picture small picture grand scope or maybe a non sequitur or a side quest whatever you want to do we're ready for it I forgot to talk about Guy Fawkes Day Yeah, what are we not talking about?
[01:26:16.020 --> 01:26:31.340] [SPEAKER_20]: I knew there was something happening on Tuesday I just had it in the back of my mind but yeah it's Guy Fawkes Day it's basically you know a day of revolt let's put it that way no, November 5th Upcoming, right 5th of November next Tuesday first week of November remember,
[01:26:31.380 --> 01:26:42.200] [SPEAKER_20]: remember yeah I don't know what I'm supposed to remember but yeah it's uh I remember Guy Fawkes Day it was on Tuesday okay well not much else are you supposed to remember the fire and gunpowder plot?
[01:26:42.680 --> 01:27:03.640] [SPEAKER_20]: I think so, yeah treason and plot yeah, yeah, yeah no, that's important it's just about what we make it mean now last time I'm going to say the phone number 802-321-4225 I guess I'll say it one more time 802-321-HACK and we'll give it two minutes absolutely so have have you guys voted?
[01:27:04.660 --> 01:27:24.940] [SPEAKER_20]: uh Kyle has voted si, me gusta I'm not sure exactly what you're saying but um yes he did um and I vote on election day yeah I just like to do it that way well what's the what's the uh extra significance of not doing it early?
[01:27:26.100 --> 01:27:46.920] [SPEAKER_20]: because it's election day I want to be part of election day okay why don't I have Thanksgiving dinner in October I'm not Canadian so there's no reason for me to do that you know why don't I celebrate New Year's in February you know there's dates exist for a reason do you give exit polls?
[01:27:46.920 --> 01:28:05.400] [SPEAKER_21]: I mean no one has ever asked me and the other thing I never get a voting sticker I ask they never have them you know what I've been getting the last couple of elections I've been getting uh stickers with my absentee vote yeah you get the sticker before you vote they're designed by uh local um contestants I think we have a phone call contestants?
[01:28:05.860 --> 01:28:15.620] [SPEAKER_21]: yeah I think they've done this in a couple states but like uh uh people submit their art to be the voting sticker oh really?
[01:28:15.860 --> 01:28:34.360] [SPEAKER_20]: wow this one yes anyway I don't know why well that's that's that's fun went there but yeah we have a call anyway if you're out there and you haven't voted yet please do vote uh it's important it's um it's vital sticker or not yeah alright let's see who this is good evening you're on off the cover time go ahead good evening can you hear me?
[01:28:34.620 --> 01:28:36.140] [SPEAKER_20]: we hear you just fine can you hear us?
[01:28:37.140 --> 01:29:01.920] [SPEAKER_10]: yes excellent uh good evening I voted I voted and my I got confirmation my ballot was received by the the county cool that's one thing um this has been a wild month and I'm glad to glad to hear you guys tonight here are all you Well, we're glad to hear our listeners.
[01:29:02.360 --> 01:29:10.780] [SPEAKER_20]: And I think everybody should try and reach out to as many people as they can in the days ahead, because it might be a rough ride, you know?
[01:29:13.120 --> 01:29:14.200] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, yeah.
[01:29:14.640 --> 01:29:18.480] [SPEAKER_10]: It's been... it's been kind of a wild month.
[01:29:18.760 --> 01:29:23.080] [SPEAKER_21]: Is there anything in particular that sticks out or that you want to talk about?
[01:29:25.020 --> 01:29:44.600] [SPEAKER_10]: Or... Just some of the online moderation, trying to do some of the online moderation has been... I'm not sure how many other people online at the moment do any of that, but it's been... people have been kind of testy about stuff, so...
[01:29:44.600 --> 01:29:46.500] [SPEAKER_20]: Yep, I've noticed that for sure.
[01:29:46.560 --> 01:29:51.860] [SPEAKER_20]: And when you say online moderation, you mean just filtering for yourself, or is it for other people?
[01:29:54.440 --> 01:29:55.940] [SPEAKER_10]: Other people as well.
[01:29:56.140 --> 01:29:56.960] [SPEAKER_10]: Some of the...
[01:29:58.680 --> 01:30:03.220] [SPEAKER_10]: Some of the... some of the Matrix chat rooms have been kind of rambunctious.
[01:30:04.000 --> 01:30:04.620] [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah, yeah.
[01:30:05.620 --> 01:30:06.140] So...
[01:30:06.840 --> 01:30:08.920] [SPEAKER_20]: It's been a... it's been a rodeo.
[01:30:09.120 --> 01:30:11.120] [SPEAKER_20]: It's been... I've never seen anything like this.
[01:30:11.180 --> 01:30:12.640] [SPEAKER_20]: I think everybody can say the same thing.
[01:30:12.640 --> 01:30:22.300] [SPEAKER_20]: They've never seen a campaign that went on for this long and has been this... this full of vitriol and just...
[01:30:23.140 --> 01:30:23.880] [SPEAKER_20]: I don't know.
[01:30:24.080 --> 01:30:32.300] [SPEAKER_20]: Something we'll all be glad is over and hopefully ends in a good place because we've seen... we've seen all kinds of presentations and...
[01:30:33.920 --> 01:30:38.640] [SPEAKER_20]: proposals and threats and dark promises and things like that and...
[01:30:38.640 --> 01:30:47.800] [SPEAKER_20]: Wow, I... you know, either way, no matter what side wins, the other side is not going to take it well and it's not going to be easy, the transition.
[01:30:47.800 --> 01:30:49.140] [SPEAKER_20]: My hope is that...
[01:30:49.620 --> 01:30:52.380] [SPEAKER_20]: as I said, you know, we start talking to each other and...
[01:30:52.380 --> 01:30:53.820] [SPEAKER_20]: you know, all of this...
[01:30:55.180 --> 01:30:55.620] [SPEAKER_20]: ugliness...
[01:30:55.620 --> 01:30:56.420] [SPEAKER_20]: fades...
[01:30:56.420 --> 01:30:59.000] [SPEAKER_20]: as it inevitably will do at some point.
[01:30:59.000 --> 01:30:59.840] [SPEAKER_20]: I just hope...
[01:30:59.840 --> 01:31:01.640] [SPEAKER_20]: it fades so much sooner...
[01:31:01.640 --> 01:31:02.760] [SPEAKER_20]: you know, than it could.
[01:31:05.320 --> 01:31:06.200] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, agreed.
[01:31:09.480 --> 01:31:10.360] [SPEAKER_10]: Hope was...
[01:31:10.360 --> 01:31:11.680] [SPEAKER_10]: excellent this year.
[01:31:11.900 --> 01:31:12.640] [SPEAKER_10]: Thank you all.
[01:31:14.720 --> 01:31:16.420] [SPEAKER_20]: Thanks for... thanks for being there.
[01:31:20.620 --> 01:31:21.200] [SPEAKER_21]: Go ahead.
[01:31:21.640 --> 01:31:23.260] [SPEAKER_21]: Were you speaking about...
[01:31:23.960 --> 01:31:25.160] [SPEAKER_21]: Matrix stuff from...
[01:31:25.860 --> 01:31:27.080] [SPEAKER_21]: our event specifically?
[01:31:29.220 --> 01:31:30.500] [SPEAKER_10]: No, no, no.
[01:31:30.800 --> 01:31:31.720] [SPEAKER_21]: Yeah, because...
[01:31:31.720 --> 01:31:34.080] [SPEAKER_21]: I know everyone was super complimentary.
[01:31:34.360 --> 01:31:36.060] [SPEAKER_21]: I haven't been back on since...
[01:31:36.060 --> 01:31:37.900] [SPEAKER_21]: everybody tore down and...
[01:31:37.900 --> 01:31:39.400] [SPEAKER_21]: I just know that...
[01:31:39.400 --> 01:31:41.000] [SPEAKER_21]: there were so many stories about the...
[01:31:41.000 --> 01:31:43.720] [SPEAKER_21]: great talks that people saw and...
[01:31:43.720 --> 01:31:45.800] [SPEAKER_21]: there were hiccups definitely with...
[01:31:45.800 --> 01:31:47.760] [SPEAKER_21]: kind of some of the...
[01:31:47.760 --> 01:31:49.440] [SPEAKER_21]: scrappiness around...
[01:31:49.820 --> 01:31:51.420] [SPEAKER_21]: scrambling to test things...
[01:31:51.420 --> 01:31:52.500] [SPEAKER_21]: PA and...
[01:31:52.500 --> 01:31:53.580] [SPEAKER_21]: and other stuff, but...
[01:31:53.580 --> 01:31:55.080] [SPEAKER_20]: It wouldn't be hope if it wasn't scrappy.
[01:31:55.280 --> 01:31:55.760] [SPEAKER_20]: It was...
[01:31:55.760 --> 01:31:57.760] [SPEAKER_21]: it was definitely worth the effort...
[01:31:57.760 --> 01:31:58.990] [SPEAKER_21]: and people put in so much...
[01:31:59.720 --> 01:32:00.440] [SPEAKER_21]: for that.
[01:32:00.640 --> 01:32:00.880] [SPEAKER_20]: Hang on.
[01:32:01.060 --> 01:32:01.440] [SPEAKER_20]: Rob...
[01:32:01.440 --> 01:32:01.980] [SPEAKER_20]: Rob has something?
[01:32:02.080 --> 01:32:02.440] [SPEAKER_20]: Go ahead, Rob.
[01:32:03.020 --> 01:32:03.860] [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah, just on...
[01:32:03.860 --> 01:32:05.900] [SPEAKER_18]: on the subject of what you were saying, caller...
[01:32:05.900 --> 01:32:06.420] [SPEAKER_18]: I think...
[01:32:06.820 --> 01:32:08.080] [SPEAKER_18]: everyone out there...
[01:32:08.080 --> 01:32:09.620] [SPEAKER_18]: I think most of us probably...
[01:32:09.620 --> 01:32:11.280] [SPEAKER_18]: partake in some manner of...
[01:32:11.280 --> 01:32:12.070] [SPEAKER_18]: online communities...
[01:32:12.740 --> 01:32:13.260] [SPEAKER_18]: forums...
[01:32:13.260 --> 01:32:14.420] [SPEAKER_18]: gathering places...
[01:32:14.420 --> 01:32:14.680] [SPEAKER_18]: where...
[01:32:14.680 --> 01:32:15.560] [SPEAKER_18]: where we can...
[01:32:15.560 --> 01:32:16.380] [SPEAKER_18]: you know...
[01:32:16.380 --> 01:32:17.300] [SPEAKER_18]: share a little fellowship.
[01:32:17.640 --> 01:32:18.560] [SPEAKER_18]: And I think...
[01:32:18.560 --> 01:32:19.900] [SPEAKER_18]: times like this...
[01:32:19.900 --> 01:32:21.340] [SPEAKER_18]: really reminds us...
[01:32:21.340 --> 01:32:22.540] [SPEAKER_18]: how important it is...
[01:32:22.540 --> 01:32:24.080] [SPEAKER_18]: the work that our...
[01:32:24.080 --> 01:32:24.880] [SPEAKER_18]: moderators...
[01:32:24.880 --> 01:32:25.460] [SPEAKER_18]: and...
[01:32:25.460 --> 01:32:27.640] [SPEAKER_18]: folks like that...
[01:32:27.640 --> 01:32:29.160] [SPEAKER_18]: the work they put in...
[01:32:29.160 --> 01:32:29.660] [SPEAKER_18]: and...
[01:32:29.660 --> 01:32:31.060] [SPEAKER_18]: what they're going through...
[01:32:31.060 --> 01:32:32.460] [SPEAKER_18]: at the front lines of all this stuff.
[01:32:32.580 --> 01:32:32.880] [SPEAKER_18]: So...
[01:32:32.880 --> 01:32:34.120] [SPEAKER_18]: if you're...
[01:32:34.120 --> 01:32:35.160] [SPEAKER_18]: if you're out there listening...
[01:32:35.160 --> 01:32:36.100] [SPEAKER_18]: and you use...
[01:32:36.100 --> 01:32:36.840] [SPEAKER_18]: you know...
[01:32:36.840 --> 01:32:37.600] [SPEAKER_18]: any kind of...
[01:32:37.600 --> 01:32:38.640] [SPEAKER_18]: online forums...
[01:32:38.940 --> 01:32:39.220] [SPEAKER_18]: sites...
[01:32:39.220 --> 01:32:39.720] [SPEAKER_18]: social media...
[01:32:39.720 --> 01:32:40.020] [SPEAKER_18]: whatever...
[01:32:40.020 --> 01:32:40.880] [SPEAKER_18]: where people are doing...
[01:32:40.880 --> 01:32:42.200] [SPEAKER_18]: some moderating for you...
[01:32:42.200 --> 01:32:42.620] [SPEAKER_18]: just...
[01:32:42.620 --> 01:32:43.640] [SPEAKER_18]: maybe show them...
[01:32:43.640 --> 01:32:44.880] [SPEAKER_18]: a little extra appreciation...
[01:32:44.880 --> 01:32:45.620] [SPEAKER_18]: this time of...
[01:32:45.620 --> 01:32:46.360] [SPEAKER_18]: this time of year.
[01:32:48.860 --> 01:32:49.400] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah...
[01:32:49.400 --> 01:32:49.860] [SPEAKER_10]: thank you.
[01:32:50.940 --> 01:32:51.480] [SPEAKER_10]: That's...
[01:32:53.640 --> 01:32:54.180] [SPEAKER_10]: yes...
[01:32:54.180 --> 01:32:54.840] [SPEAKER_10]: very much.
[01:32:56.340 --> 01:32:56.880] [SPEAKER_10]: So...
[01:32:56.880 --> 01:32:58.440] [SPEAKER_10]: I'll free up the line...
[01:32:58.440 --> 01:32:59.820] [SPEAKER_10]: for somebody else to call in...
[01:32:59.820 --> 01:33:01.080] [SPEAKER_10]: just wanted to say thanks...
[01:33:01.080 --> 01:33:01.460] [SPEAKER_10]: and...
[01:33:02.120 --> 01:33:03.140] [SPEAKER_10]: talk to you later.
[01:33:03.300 --> 01:33:04.040] [SPEAKER_20]: And have you voted?
[01:33:05.540 --> 01:33:06.260] [SPEAKER_10]: yes...
[01:33:06.260 --> 01:33:06.540] [SPEAKER_10]: you have...
[01:33:06.540 --> 01:33:07.720] [SPEAKER_10]: great...
[01:33:07.720 --> 01:33:08.180] [SPEAKER_10]: yes...
[01:33:08.740 --> 01:33:09.580] [SPEAKER_10]: my state...
[01:33:09.580 --> 01:33:10.420] [SPEAKER_10]: I can do...
[01:33:11.030 --> 01:33:11.580] [SPEAKER_10]: actually...
[01:33:11.580 --> 01:33:12.900] [SPEAKER_10]: you told us this already...
[01:33:12.900 --> 01:33:13.720] [SPEAKER_10]: a few weeks ago...
[01:33:13.720 --> 01:33:14.320] [SPEAKER_20]: yes...
[01:33:14.320 --> 01:33:15.440] [SPEAKER_20]: and you got verification...
[01:33:15.440 --> 01:33:17.100] [SPEAKER_20]: that it was received...
[01:33:17.100 --> 01:33:18.160] [SPEAKER_10]: yes...
[01:33:18.160 --> 01:33:19.140] [SPEAKER_20]: great...
[01:33:19.140 --> 01:33:19.880] [SPEAKER_10]: yeah...
[01:33:19.880 --> 01:33:20.520] [SPEAKER_10]: well...
[01:33:20.520 --> 01:33:21.740] [SPEAKER_10]: actually I had to go...
[01:33:21.740 --> 01:33:22.380] [SPEAKER_10]: check...
[01:33:22.380 --> 01:33:24.100] [SPEAKER_10]: they didn't send email...
[01:33:24.100 --> 01:33:24.980] [SPEAKER_10]: this year...
[01:33:24.980 --> 01:33:26.300] [SPEAKER_10]: but...
[01:33:27.130 --> 01:33:27.860] [SPEAKER_10]: I...
[01:33:27.860 --> 01:33:29.600] [SPEAKER_10]: I definitely made sure...
[01:33:29.600 --> 01:33:31.040] [SPEAKER_10]: that it got received...
[01:33:31.040 --> 01:33:31.760] [SPEAKER_20]: so...
[01:33:31.760 --> 01:33:33.800] [SPEAKER_10]: that was...
[01:33:34.360 --> 01:33:35.480] [SPEAKER_20]: it feels good...
[01:33:35.480 --> 01:33:35.720] [SPEAKER_20]: it feels...
[01:33:35.720 --> 01:33:37.240] [SPEAKER_20]: if people out there who have not voted...
[01:33:37.620 --> 01:33:37.920] [SPEAKER_20]: um...
[01:33:37.920 --> 01:33:39.120] [SPEAKER_20]: and are eligible to...
[01:33:39.120 --> 01:33:41.120] [SPEAKER_20]: it feels really good to have done that...
[01:33:41.120 --> 01:33:44.400] [SPEAKER_20]: if you're voting for something that you truly believe in...
[01:33:44.400 --> 01:33:44.860] [SPEAKER_20]: uh...
[01:33:44.860 --> 01:33:46.540] [SPEAKER_20]: or if you feel you're making a difference...
[01:33:46.540 --> 01:34:01.020] [SPEAKER_20]: and you are making a difference...
[01:34:01.020 --> 01:34:01.520] [SPEAKER_20]: 2022.
[01:34:02.100 --> 01:34:10.900] [SPEAKER_20]: So while there weren't major candidates, major races on the national level, there was definitely an effect.
[01:34:11.080 --> 01:34:14.860] [SPEAKER_20]: So it's never a good idea to not participate, in my opinion.
[01:34:16.540 --> 01:34:17.140] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
[01:34:17.680 --> 01:34:21.740] [SPEAKER_10]: I've been voting since 92, the first year I was able to.
[01:34:22.720 --> 01:34:24.860] [SPEAKER_10]: So I haven't missed one yet.
[01:34:25.040 --> 01:34:25.440] [SPEAKER_20]: Great.
[01:34:25.440 --> 01:34:25.440] Great.
[01:34:27.360 --> 01:34:34.720] [SPEAKER_10]: And I am in a swing state, so it's definitely valiant this year.
[01:34:36.020 --> 01:34:36.700] [SPEAKER_20]: All right.
[01:34:36.760 --> 01:34:38.240] [SPEAKER_20]: Well, I hope your vote counts.
[01:34:41.820 --> 01:34:42.420] [SPEAKER_10]: Thanks.
[01:34:42.420 --> 01:34:44.260] [SPEAKER_10]: So far, we're doing okay.
[01:34:44.660 --> 01:34:48.300] [SPEAKER_10]: You saw about some of the ballot boxes on the West Coast.
[01:34:48.920 --> 01:34:51.380] [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah, there's some idiocy going on.
[01:34:51.400 --> 01:34:53.780] [SPEAKER_20]: And I don't think that's the last of that we'll see.
[01:34:55.840 --> 01:34:56.200] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
[01:34:56.520 --> 01:34:56.880] [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah.
[01:34:57.160 --> 01:34:59.700] [SPEAKER_20]: Like I said, some rough rides might be ahead.
[01:35:01.580 --> 01:35:02.820] [SPEAKER_10]: Well, thanks.
[01:35:03.100 --> 01:35:03.960] [SPEAKER_10]: Everyone have a good night.
[01:35:04.100 --> 01:35:04.260] [SPEAKER_10]: All right.
[01:35:04.480 --> 01:35:05.740] [SPEAKER_10]: And talk to you later.
[01:35:05.880 --> 01:35:06.180] [SPEAKER_20]: Take care.
[01:35:06.660 --> 01:35:06.900] [SPEAKER_10]: Bye.
[01:35:08.940 --> 01:35:11.860] [SPEAKER_20]: You know, I think that is what a lot of us are feeling.
[01:35:12.220 --> 01:35:12.860] [SPEAKER_20]: I really do.
[01:35:12.920 --> 01:35:13.300] [SPEAKER_20]: Go ahead, Gila.
[01:35:16.240 --> 01:35:17.160] [SPEAKER_14]: What I was going to say.
[01:35:17.280 --> 01:35:17.420] [SPEAKER_14]: Sorry.
[01:35:17.420 --> 01:35:17.460] [SPEAKER_14]: Okay.
[01:35:18.380 --> 01:35:24.280] [SPEAKER_14]: So while we were away, we were in a swing state.
[01:35:26.740 --> 01:35:27.500] And...
[01:35:27.500 --> 01:35:28.700] [SPEAKER_18]: We meaning Gila and I.
[01:35:29.100 --> 01:35:29.400] [SPEAKER_14]: Yes.
[01:35:29.820 --> 01:35:31.260] [SPEAKER_14]: We meaning Rob and I.
[01:35:35.460 --> 01:35:51.860] [SPEAKER_14]: And watching TV was nearly impossible because, like, we just wanted to, you know, see the weather forecast and we couldn't do it because it was all political ads all the time.
[01:35:51.860 --> 01:35:55.140] [SPEAKER_14]: I was, you know, I was like, Christmas is in two months.
[01:35:55.140 --> 01:35:57.020] [SPEAKER_14]: So it's time for Christmas ads.
[01:35:57.800 --> 01:36:06.460] [SPEAKER_14]: And one of the things that upset me the most, in addition to just this fire hose of vitriol, was there was an ad.
[01:36:07.460 --> 01:36:08.760] [SPEAKER_14]: It wasn't for anything.
[01:36:08.980 --> 01:36:10.480] [SPEAKER_14]: It was an anti-Harris ad.
[01:36:10.900 --> 01:36:13.540] [SPEAKER_14]: And they kept pronouncing her name wrong.
[01:36:13.860 --> 01:36:14.580] [SPEAKER_14]: They all do that.
[01:36:14.780 --> 01:36:15.400] [SPEAKER_20]: They all do that.
[01:36:15.480 --> 01:36:17.820] [SPEAKER_20]: I don't know what they're trying to prove, but they all...
[01:36:17.820 --> 01:36:18.800] [SPEAKER_20]: I know what they're trying to prove.
[01:36:19.020 --> 01:36:19.640] [SPEAKER_20]: What is it?
[01:36:19.680 --> 01:36:20.140] [SPEAKER_20]: What's the point?
[01:36:21.440 --> 01:36:29.020] [SPEAKER_14]: It is two pieces, which is, first of all, I don't care enough about who you are to learn how to say your name right.
[01:36:30.140 --> 01:36:36.180] [SPEAKER_14]: And number two, and significantly more insidiously as far as I'm concerned, your name is weird.
[01:36:36.180 --> 01:36:37.480] [SPEAKER_14]: You are weird.
[01:36:37.500 --> 01:36:39.720] [SPEAKER_14]: You don't belong here.
[01:36:40.080 --> 01:36:40.640] [SPEAKER_20]: Interesting.
[01:36:41.560 --> 01:36:41.960] [SPEAKER_20]: Yes.
[01:36:42.160 --> 01:36:49.760] [SPEAKER_14]: And speaking of the person whose name can be somewhat difficult to pronounce, after a while, it does get frustrating.
[01:36:49.960 --> 01:36:56.580] [SPEAKER_14]: And I'm sure that when Vice President Harris was younger, people were like, it's an interesting name.
[01:36:56.720 --> 01:36:57.700] [SPEAKER_14]: Can we call you Molly?
[01:36:57.980 --> 01:36:58.660] [SPEAKER_14]: That would be easier.
[01:37:00.460 --> 01:37:00.980] [SPEAKER_20]: Wow.
[01:37:02.220 --> 01:37:04.880] [SPEAKER_20]: That must have been something, being in a swing state.
[01:37:05.180 --> 01:37:13.420] [SPEAKER_20]: And, I mean, TV must not have been the only thing that was different there, with all the hysteria, getting people to vote your way.
[01:37:13.420 --> 01:37:18.260] [SPEAKER_20]: I mean, you know, that state, that vote could swing the whole thing.
[01:37:18.560 --> 01:37:19.360] [SPEAKER_14]: No, absolutely.
[01:37:19.740 --> 01:37:24.520] [SPEAKER_14]: And, here's the other thing, speaking of, could swing the whole thing.
[01:37:25.740 --> 01:37:30.020] [SPEAKER_14]: I grew up in a state that apportions electoral votes.
[01:37:31.800 --> 01:37:35.860] [SPEAKER_14]: It is one of two states that are not winner-take-all in the Electoral College.
[01:37:36.220 --> 01:37:36.600] [SPEAKER_14]: So...
[01:37:36.600 --> 01:37:37.980] [SPEAKER_20]: That's got to be Nebraska, right?
[01:37:38.220 --> 01:37:39.240] [SPEAKER_20]: How did you know?
[01:37:39.360 --> 01:37:40.860] [SPEAKER_20]: Because it's Nebraska, and what's the other one?
[01:37:40.920 --> 01:37:41.140] [SPEAKER_20]: Maine?
[01:37:41.480 --> 01:37:41.960] [SPEAKER_14]: Maine.
[01:37:42.960 --> 01:37:44.680] [SPEAKER_14]: And I don't sound like I come from Maine.
[01:37:45.160 --> 01:37:45.600] [SPEAKER_14]: But...
[01:37:47.400 --> 01:37:58.540] [SPEAKER_14]: It's fascinating to see, because there have been a couple times in the last few elections where the second district has gone blue, and they've had to give out that one electoral vote.
[01:37:59.620 --> 01:38:02.080] [SPEAKER_14]: So there's this whole movement in the Omaha area.
[01:38:02.080 --> 01:38:06.180] [SPEAKER_14]: They're calling it the Blue Dot Campaign, and people are, like, putting blue dot signs on their yards.
[01:38:06.400 --> 01:38:08.580] [SPEAKER_14]: They did a human blue dot in a park.
[01:38:09.220 --> 01:38:18.780] [SPEAKER_14]: But the thing I don't understand, do not get at all, if the Electoral College has to continue, why is every state winner-take-all?
[01:38:18.900 --> 01:38:21.860] [SPEAKER_14]: I think the way Nebraska does it makes a lot of sense.
[01:38:22.480 --> 01:38:23.040] [SPEAKER_20]: Thank you.
[01:38:23.100 --> 01:38:24.320] [SPEAKER_20]: Just answered your own question there.
[01:38:24.700 --> 01:38:26.440] [SPEAKER_20]: Look, the way...
[01:38:26.440 --> 01:38:29.880] [SPEAKER_20]: It not making any sense, it benefits Republicans every time.
[01:38:30.240 --> 01:38:30.600] [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah.
[01:38:30.600 --> 01:38:35.320] [SPEAKER_20]: Every time, in 2000 and 2016, they're not going to change.
[01:38:36.420 --> 01:38:45.580] [SPEAKER_20]: And I know there are a couple of plans on ways to make the crazy system that exists now not as crazy.
[01:38:46.540 --> 01:38:49.700] [SPEAKER_20]: But we're certainly not going to get there before Election Day this year.
[01:38:50.200 --> 01:38:52.380] [SPEAKER_20]: And, yeah, I'm worried about that.
[01:38:52.560 --> 01:38:58.940] [SPEAKER_20]: I think it was the governor of Nebraska who refused to sign a bill that would have made it winner-take-all.
[01:38:58.940 --> 01:39:00.400] [SPEAKER_14]: No, that is not what happened.
[01:39:00.640 --> 01:39:00.720] [SPEAKER_14]: I'm sorry.
[01:39:01.520 --> 01:39:07.760] [SPEAKER_14]: So what happened was, they were trying to push through a bill to make it a winner-take-all state.
[01:39:07.920 --> 01:39:08.060] [SPEAKER_13]: Right.
[01:39:08.460 --> 01:39:12.020] [SPEAKER_14]: And the thing about Nebraska is that it's a unicameral state government.
[01:39:12.600 --> 01:39:16.500] [SPEAKER_14]: An officially nonpartisan unicameral state government.
[01:39:18.440 --> 01:39:22.500] [SPEAKER_14]: And one state senator was like, no.
[01:39:23.860 --> 01:39:27.560] [SPEAKER_14]: And he broke the majority, and they couldn't do it, and then everybody just gave up.
[01:39:27.580 --> 01:39:28.840] [SPEAKER_14]: And he was a Republican, I believe.
[01:39:28.940 --> 01:39:29.260] [SPEAKER_20]: Was he?
[01:39:29.520 --> 01:39:29.980] [SPEAKER_14]: Yes.
[01:39:30.240 --> 01:39:30.440] [SPEAKER_14]: Yes.
[01:39:30.660 --> 01:39:31.740] [SPEAKER_20]: So that's incredible.
[01:39:31.740 --> 01:39:35.100] [SPEAKER_20]: And I've seen so many instances of Republicans breaking ranks.
[01:39:35.320 --> 01:39:36.160] [SPEAKER_20]: Not nearly enough.
[01:39:36.380 --> 01:39:40.240] [SPEAKER_20]: A small minority, and almost all of them have had to pay a price.
[01:39:41.340 --> 01:39:48.960] [SPEAKER_20]: But never has there been a time where that is needed, where people have to stand up and defy what they're being commanded to do.
[01:39:48.960 --> 01:40:06.240] [SPEAKER_20]: I have to say, you know, I don't know for sure, but I think if the shoes were on the other foot and Democrats had this crazy dictatorial, fascistic candidate running, I don't think they'd fall in line as quickly.
[01:40:06.420 --> 01:40:11.580] [SPEAKER_20]: Because Democrats are constantly arguing with each other and thwarting each other's efforts.
[01:40:11.580 --> 01:40:12.260] [SPEAKER_20]: I know this.
[01:40:13.020 --> 01:40:15.080] [SPEAKER_20]: And I just don't think that would happen.
[01:40:15.160 --> 01:40:17.880] [SPEAKER_20]: I don't think it's in the nature of the conversation.
[01:40:17.880 --> 01:40:23.500] [SPEAKER_20]: And what we're seeing here is basically just two different views of how things should go.
[01:40:23.640 --> 01:40:26.780] [SPEAKER_20]: One, follow the commands, follow the leader.
[01:40:27.240 --> 01:40:31.940] [SPEAKER_20]: And the other is think for yourself and hopefully reach the same conclusion.
[01:40:31.940 --> 01:40:38.060] [SPEAKER_20]: And let's get as many different people, different kinds of people involved, even those with different names.
[01:40:38.060 --> 01:40:45.060] [SPEAKER_20]: You know, and I think we're at a real crossroads here in our country where, you know, how is it going to go?
[01:40:45.240 --> 01:40:46.380] [SPEAKER_20]: Are we going to...
[01:40:46.380 --> 01:40:48.900] [SPEAKER_20]: Hey, I saw something today that was really kind of funny.
[01:40:49.500 --> 01:40:55.020] [SPEAKER_20]: In a car, automatic car, D goes forward, R goes backwards.
[01:40:56.120 --> 01:40:57.980] [SPEAKER_14]: I never thought of that before.
[01:40:59.860 --> 01:41:00.740] [SPEAKER_14]: Two things.
[01:41:01.140 --> 01:41:07.280] [SPEAKER_14]: Number one, Tim in Connecticut, everything you've said about voting in the chat is amazing.
[01:41:07.280 --> 01:41:09.400] [SPEAKER_14]: I'm not going to read it all out loud, but I do love it.
[01:41:09.520 --> 01:41:12.660] [SPEAKER_14]: But he says, my father used to say, if you don't vote, you can't complain.
[01:41:12.660 --> 01:41:14.420] [SPEAKER_14]: And that is very, very true.
[01:41:14.960 --> 01:41:19.060] [SPEAKER_14]: Number two, a listener named Larry has a suggestion.
[01:41:20.480 --> 01:41:21.960] [SPEAKER_14]: Emmanuel Goldstein, 2028.
[01:41:22.500 --> 01:41:23.240] [SPEAKER_20]: Oh, please.
[01:41:23.560 --> 01:41:24.560] [SPEAKER_14]: I'm just reading it.
[01:41:24.820 --> 01:41:25.820] [SPEAKER_14]: I'm just reading it.
[01:41:25.960 --> 01:41:26.240] [SPEAKER_20]: Okay.
[01:41:26.540 --> 01:41:29.340] [SPEAKER_20]: I'm not going to say I don't deserve that, but you don't deserve that.
[01:41:29.600 --> 01:41:30.280] [SPEAKER_20]: Believe me.
[01:41:30.860 --> 01:41:31.980] [SPEAKER_20]: We have a phone call.
[01:41:32.080 --> 01:41:33.200] [SPEAKER_20]: Someone's been waiting very patiently.
[01:41:33.280 --> 01:41:34.620] [SPEAKER_20]: Actually, we don't know they've been waiting patiently.
[01:41:34.620 --> 01:41:36.420] [SPEAKER_20]: They just have been potted down.
[01:41:37.220 --> 01:41:38.560] [SPEAKER_20]: But here, we're potting them up.
[01:41:38.640 --> 01:41:38.880] [SPEAKER_20]: Good evening.
[01:41:39.000 --> 01:41:39.840] [SPEAKER_20]: You're on Off The Hook Overtime.
[01:41:40.180 --> 01:41:40.440] [SPEAKER_20]: Go ahead.
[01:41:42.440 --> 01:41:43.080] [SPEAKER_20]: Speak up.
[01:41:44.620 --> 01:41:48.460] [SPEAKER_20]: I would say that maybe they've been waiting impatiently because they're no longer there.
[01:41:50.040 --> 01:41:50.960] [SPEAKER_20]: Well, we're sorry.
[01:41:51.520 --> 01:41:55.580] [SPEAKER_20]: Or you have a phone that doesn't work and we can't hear you.
[01:41:57.540 --> 01:41:58.380] [SPEAKER_20]: You can call back.
[01:41:58.520 --> 01:42:00.000] [SPEAKER_20]: 802-321-4225.
[01:42:00.480 --> 01:42:01.920] [SPEAKER_20]: Hey, we're getting a good conversation.
[01:42:02.300 --> 01:42:03.540] [SPEAKER_20]: We lose track of everything else.
[01:42:03.820 --> 01:42:04.620] [SPEAKER_14]: Try semaphore.
[01:42:04.620 --> 01:42:15.200] [SPEAKER_14]: I have one other thought and this is something that is irking me and I feel the need to say it and that is,
[01:42:18.910 --> 01:42:29.010] [SPEAKER_14]: okay, there are times when there's a binary choice and there's a viable third option, right?
[01:42:29.010 --> 01:42:34.250] [SPEAKER_14]: If you don't want Coke and you don't want Pepsi, you can go get RC and that's fine.
[01:42:35.130 --> 01:42:40.630] [SPEAKER_14]: Now is not the time for that shit.
[01:42:42.890 --> 01:42:45.190] [SPEAKER_14]: And this is why I held this for overtime.
[01:42:46.150 --> 01:42:56.990] [SPEAKER_14]: If you think that Jill Stein is, you know, vibing with your thing, no, it is not helpful to anyone right now.
[01:42:57.270 --> 01:43:02.370] [SPEAKER_14]: A protest vote is not helpful to anyone right now.
[01:43:02.670 --> 01:43:05.330] [SPEAKER_14]: She's not out there for anyone but herself.
[01:43:05.330 --> 01:43:08.290] [SPEAKER_14]: If she did, she'd do, like, everything more than every four years.
[01:43:10.390 --> 01:43:12.030] [SPEAKER_14]: Don't vote a third-party right now.
[01:43:12.370 --> 01:43:15.070] [SPEAKER_14]: We cannot afford for that to happen.
[01:43:21.080 --> 01:43:24.420] [SPEAKER_14]: And, dude, if you're going to LMAO in my chat, I will ban you.
[01:43:24.600 --> 01:43:25.260] [SPEAKER_14]: That's fine.
[01:43:25.260 --> 01:43:26.200] [SPEAKER_14]: I don't really care.
[01:43:26.300 --> 01:43:29.320] [SPEAKER_20]: Sheila, don't look at the chat while you're talking to the radio.
[01:43:29.320 --> 01:43:29.760] [SPEAKER_20]: It caught my eye.
[01:43:29.980 --> 01:43:30.140] [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah.
[01:43:32.540 --> 01:43:35.680] [SPEAKER_14]: It is so incredibly important.
[01:43:37.020 --> 01:43:39.820] [SPEAKER_14]: Also, did you know there's a Project 2025 comic book?
[01:43:41.740 --> 01:43:42.540] [SPEAKER_20]: You know what?
[01:43:42.640 --> 01:43:43.900] [SPEAKER_20]: I'm in no mood for that.
[01:43:44.880 --> 01:43:46.560] [SPEAKER_14]: Just a bunch of...
[01:43:47.560 --> 01:43:56.260] [SPEAKER_14]: In the fight against Project 2025, a bunch of comic book artists got together to, like, share the most inflammatory bits.
[01:43:56.260 --> 01:43:57.160] [SPEAKER_20]: Okay, that's not what you said.
[01:43:57.380 --> 01:43:59.100] [SPEAKER_20]: I thought they made a comic book.
[01:43:59.100 --> 01:44:00.700] [SPEAKER_20]: You mean it's an anti-project?
[01:44:00.700 --> 01:44:01.220] [SPEAKER_20]: It's an anti-project, yes.
[01:44:01.400 --> 01:44:02.260] [SPEAKER_20]: That's a little better.
[01:44:02.360 --> 01:44:03.020] [SPEAKER_14]: It's actually really, really cool.
[01:44:03.160 --> 01:44:03.960] [SPEAKER_14]: Look that up if you can.
[01:44:06.700 --> 01:44:09.320] [SPEAKER_14]: Also, another chat comment, which is not about third parties.
[01:44:09.840 --> 01:44:18.200] [SPEAKER_14]: Again, there may be times to try to overhaul the system and try to work in ranked choice voting and a viable third-party system.
[01:44:19.000 --> 01:44:20.400] [SPEAKER_14]: Right now is not the time.
[01:44:20.860 --> 01:44:21.060] [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah.
[01:44:21.520 --> 01:44:22.640] [SPEAKER_20]: I couldn't agree more.
[01:44:24.660 --> 01:44:25.460] [SPEAKER_20]: It's sad.
[01:44:25.480 --> 01:44:28.960] [SPEAKER_20]: I mean, you know, I voted third-party in the past.
[01:44:29.840 --> 01:44:32.040] [SPEAKER_20]: But sometimes you have to look at the big picture.
[01:44:32.180 --> 01:44:44.700] [SPEAKER_20]: You have to look at the entire chessboard and realize that if you do vote for a third-party, especially in a swing state or a close race, that could tip the balance in a way you definitely don't want to go.
[01:44:44.700 --> 01:44:54.560] [SPEAKER_20]: And if you get that result, it has profound implications for the future of democracy, period, in our country.
[01:44:54.800 --> 01:44:56.320] [SPEAKER_20]: And don't listen to me.
[01:44:56.860 --> 01:45:07.900] [SPEAKER_20]: Listen to the people, not only that have worked with Trump in the past, in his administration, his own administration, people he picked, the words they are saying.
[01:45:08.860 --> 01:45:13.980] [SPEAKER_20]: Listen to the words he says, the words that the people around him today are saying.
[01:45:14.900 --> 01:45:18.320] [SPEAKER_20]: It's not just us saying that bad things will happen.
[01:45:18.560 --> 01:45:21.040] [SPEAKER_20]: I mean, that Madison Square Garden hate fest.
[01:45:21.140 --> 01:45:21.600] [SPEAKER_20]: Oh, my God.
[01:45:21.700 --> 01:45:23.260] [SPEAKER_20]: That was painful.
[01:45:25.880 --> 01:45:33.740] [SPEAKER_20]: On the other hand, if you vote in someone who is not going to do that, then you have a chance to protest and be heard.
[01:45:34.040 --> 01:45:40.600] [SPEAKER_20]: It bothers me, you know, that there's always some kind of protester at Kamala Harris's rallies.
[01:45:40.960 --> 01:45:42.340] [SPEAKER_20]: In fact, there was one today.
[01:45:43.500 --> 01:45:45.980] [SPEAKER_20]: And she handled it amazingly, I thought.
[01:45:46.100 --> 01:45:53.020] [SPEAKER_20]: She said that, you know, unlike Trump, we, you know, we don't hate people who disagree with us.
[01:45:53.320 --> 01:45:56.540] [SPEAKER_20]: And if I'm elected, they will have a seat at the table.
[01:45:57.460 --> 01:46:01.880] [SPEAKER_20]: As the guy is being escorted out for disrupting the rally.
[01:46:02.920 --> 01:46:10.680] [SPEAKER_20]: Whereas, you know, Trump will say, you know, I'll, I'll, I'll pay for your lawyer bill if you beat the guy up or, or horrible stuff like that.
[01:46:11.140 --> 01:46:15.620] [SPEAKER_20]: So you got to think about, you know, where do you have the most chance of having your voice heard?
[01:46:15.880 --> 01:46:36.720] [SPEAKER_20]: You might feel that sitting this out or voting for, for some third-party is, is the answer, but it actually moves you further back and put you in a position where you will feel it worse than most because, um, you're standing for something that is not the norm right now.
[01:46:38.400 --> 01:46:45.260] [SPEAKER_20]: And, um, if you wind up with somebody in charge that doesn't tolerate the scent of any sort, where do you think you're going to fit in?
[01:46:45.740 --> 01:46:50.680] [SPEAKER_20]: You know, and as for Jill Stein, I'm sorry, we have a caller who's hopefully still waiting patiently.
[01:46:50.840 --> 01:46:51.480] [SPEAKER_20]: I'm sorry about this.
[01:46:51.480 --> 01:47:04.060] [SPEAKER_20]: Jill Stein, you know, enough said there's a picture of Jill Stein sitting at a table with a bunch of other people and Vladimir Putin, you know, that's the kind of thing she does.
[01:47:05.540 --> 01:47:07.180] [SPEAKER_20]: She hangs out with dictators.
[01:47:08.480 --> 01:47:09.300] [SPEAKER_20]: She's a phony.
[01:47:09.660 --> 01:47:11.100] [SPEAKER_20]: She has destroyed the green party.
[01:47:11.600 --> 01:47:20.400] [SPEAKER_20]: You know, I had such high hopes for the green party and, uh, God, what she has done is just, it's, it's, it's sad.
[01:47:20.700 --> 01:47:24.020] [SPEAKER_20]: It's really sad because we need a green party.
[01:47:24.180 --> 01:47:25.100] [SPEAKER_20]: Just not this one.
[01:47:25.820 --> 01:47:26.700] [SPEAKER_20]: Not this one.
[01:47:27.280 --> 01:47:27.500] [SPEAKER_20]: All right.
[01:47:27.580 --> 01:47:29.040] [SPEAKER_20]: Shall we take this phone call?
[01:47:29.120 --> 01:47:29.840] [SPEAKER_20]: Hopefully it's still there.
[01:47:29.900 --> 01:47:30.340] [SPEAKER_20]: We're so sorry.
[01:47:30.420 --> 01:47:30.720] [SPEAKER_20]: Good evening.
[01:47:31.120 --> 01:47:32.260] [SPEAKER_20]: You're on off the cover time.
[01:47:32.320 --> 01:47:32.500] [SPEAKER_20]: Go ahead.
[01:47:48.260 --> 01:47:48.460] [SPEAKER_16]: Right.
[01:47:49.260 --> 01:47:54.300] [SPEAKER_16]: After the election, you're not going to hear a peep about this woman again for another four years.
[01:47:54.480 --> 01:47:56.420] [SPEAKER_16]: And then she just resurfaces again.
[01:47:56.680 --> 01:47:58.720] [SPEAKER_16]: The next election, she just comes out of nowhere.
[01:47:59.500 --> 01:48:01.200] [SPEAKER_16]: And she does the same thing.
[01:48:01.300 --> 01:48:01.940] [SPEAKER_16]: This is all she does.
[01:48:02.140 --> 01:48:02.500] [SPEAKER_16]: I didn't...
[01:48:03.000 --> 01:48:05.240] [SPEAKER_16]: The last time I heard about Jill Stein was four years ago.
[01:48:05.520 --> 01:48:06.960] [SPEAKER_16]: And then this is all she does.
[01:48:07.120 --> 01:48:09.640] [SPEAKER_16]: You know, she's just a very annoying woman, in my opinion.
[01:48:09.640 --> 01:48:16.360] [SPEAKER_20]: I think if Trump wins, she might actually find a place in his cabinet, just like Tulsi Gabbard.
[01:48:18.420 --> 01:48:23.680] [SPEAKER_20]: And believe me, she won't be espousing green talking points at that stage.
[01:48:24.140 --> 01:48:32.940] [SPEAKER_20]: But, you know, I've seen so many people basically just sell themselves out, thinking that they're going to get something out of it.
[01:48:33.000 --> 01:48:37.120] [SPEAKER_20]: And all you have to do is look at the people that have made that decision in the past.
[01:48:37.640 --> 01:48:41.320] [SPEAKER_20]: And look how many of them have paid a heavy price for that.
[01:48:41.440 --> 01:48:49.420] [SPEAKER_20]: Not because of anything that was done to them by the opposition, but by Trump himself and by his people.
[01:48:50.180 --> 01:48:52.620] [SPEAKER_20]: It's really kind of scary and sad.
[01:48:53.340 --> 01:49:02.260] [SPEAKER_16]: And by the way, you were saying you don't think Democrats would fall in line, you know, the same way the Republicans are falling in line behind Trump.
[01:49:02.380 --> 01:49:02.900] [SPEAKER_16]: I'll tell you something.
[01:49:03.000 --> 01:49:04.500] [SPEAKER_16]: I'll take it further than that and tell you this.
[01:49:04.500 --> 01:49:11.360] [SPEAKER_16]: Because I don't even think there's another Republican that can get Republicans to fall in line like this.
[01:49:11.460 --> 01:49:14.920] [SPEAKER_16]: That hate fest, that thing you call the hate fest, I was actually there last week.
[01:49:15.140 --> 01:49:17.620] [SPEAKER_16]: One of my friends works at Madison Square Garden.
[01:49:17.840 --> 01:49:22.460] [SPEAKER_16]: So he got me a ticket and I went inside this thing, inside that thing, that hate fest.
[01:49:22.600 --> 01:49:23.140] [SPEAKER_20]: Oh my God.
[01:49:24.600 --> 01:49:26.120] [SPEAKER_16]: It was just amazing.
[01:49:26.400 --> 01:49:32.720] [SPEAKER_16]: I mean, he was, it was just, it's just, it's not, it's, I've been to a lot of rallies.
[01:49:32.720 --> 01:49:35.580] [SPEAKER_16]: I've been to a lot of political rallies, but this is different.
[01:49:35.720 --> 01:49:37.440] [SPEAKER_16]: This is like, he's like a God.
[01:49:37.880 --> 01:49:43.160] [SPEAKER_16]: I mean, I don't know any other Republican that can arouse those type of emotions in people.
[01:49:43.560 --> 01:49:48.820] [SPEAKER_16]: He's like, like, he could, I almost feel he could literally fit to all of them right there, shoot yourself in the head and they would have done it.
[01:49:49.280 --> 01:49:52.540] [SPEAKER_16]: Like, he just, you know, he's like a God to these people.
[01:49:52.880 --> 01:49:55.800] [SPEAKER_16]: You know, so I don't even think any other Republican can do this.
[01:49:55.800 --> 01:50:07.420] [SPEAKER_16]: I think he's just a very sort of once in a generation kind of person, because I don't know any, even George Bush or whoever else was there before, I don't think they worshipped him like this.
[01:50:07.560 --> 01:50:08.200] [SPEAKER_20]: It wasn't like this.
[01:50:08.200 --> 01:50:08.740] [SPEAKER_20]: Oh, definitely not.
[01:50:09.020 --> 01:50:10.020] [SPEAKER_20]: They definitely didn't.
[01:50:10.240 --> 01:50:16.900] [SPEAKER_20]: You know, it seemed like the worst thing in the world then, but, you know, now it's, boy, I'd give anything for those days.
[01:50:17.140 --> 01:50:20.440] [SPEAKER_20]: But would you, would you describe this as, as a cult then?
[01:50:21.600 --> 01:50:23.260] [SPEAKER_16]: It is a cult to me, it is a cult.
[01:50:23.440 --> 01:50:26.400] [SPEAKER_16]: I mean, and there's no need, you can't argue with these people.
[01:50:26.500 --> 01:50:29.020] [SPEAKER_16]: Like, I don't even try to reason with these people.
[01:50:29.220 --> 01:50:36.860] [SPEAKER_16]: I don't even get out there and try to, like, argue with them and say, because a lot of them are just, they're just way down that rabbit hole.
[01:50:37.240 --> 01:50:41.000] [SPEAKER_16]: There's nothing you can possibly say that would change their mind.
[01:50:41.140 --> 01:50:42.400] [SPEAKER_16]: It's not even worth trying.
[01:50:42.680 --> 01:50:45.380] [SPEAKER_16]: And they're saying these things, they're just not true.
[01:50:45.540 --> 01:50:48.040] [SPEAKER_16]: Like, things are just completely, provably false.
[01:50:48.040 --> 01:50:49.800] [SPEAKER_20]: Right, like eating cats and dogs.
[01:50:50.600 --> 01:50:51.960] [SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, they believe the truth.
[01:50:52.120 --> 01:50:53.920] [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah, well, whatever he says, they will believe.
[01:50:54.080 --> 01:50:56.200] [SPEAKER_20]: And he basically makes up anything he wants.
[01:50:56.980 --> 01:50:58.480] [SPEAKER_20]: Facts don't matter anymore.
[01:50:59.440 --> 01:51:01.920] [SPEAKER_20]: As you say, they will believe anything he says.
[01:51:02.080 --> 01:51:04.900] [SPEAKER_20]: And the other thing that really kind of bugs me is that they're nice people.
[01:51:05.120 --> 01:51:08.480] [SPEAKER_20]: You know, if you didn't know they were doing this, you would get along with them just fine.
[01:51:08.900 --> 01:51:14.720] [SPEAKER_20]: You know, I say that it could really happen to anyone, where you buy into something that makes absolutely no sense.
[01:51:14.720 --> 01:51:28.120] [SPEAKER_20]: I don't understand his allure, because if you had to point to somebody who is most definitely not one of you and not on your side, I could not think of anyone who fit that position more than Donald Trump.
[01:51:28.300 --> 01:51:31.500] [SPEAKER_20]: Yet they all say he talks like one of us.
[01:51:31.560 --> 01:51:32.520] [SPEAKER_20]: He's not one of you.
[01:51:32.640 --> 01:51:33.360] [SPEAKER_20]: He's a billionaire.
[01:51:33.660 --> 01:51:35.640] [SPEAKER_20]: He lives in mansions.
[01:51:35.740 --> 01:51:37.100] [SPEAKER_20]: He doesn't hang out with you.
[01:51:37.160 --> 01:51:38.400] [SPEAKER_20]: He doesn't understand you.
[01:51:38.540 --> 01:51:40.580] [SPEAKER_20]: He's never been in a grocery store in his life.
[01:51:40.740 --> 01:51:44.560] [SPEAKER_20]: You know, and he just says the magic words and you follow along.
[01:51:44.560 --> 01:51:55.120] [SPEAKER_20]: I think it's, you know, I drew an analogy on my other show to a recent NFL game I went to, where I was standing in line for the quarter potty after the game.
[01:51:55.260 --> 01:52:03.960] [SPEAKER_20]: And the hatred that I heard from the people behind me talking about Jets fans, they were Bills fans, they were talking about Jets fans, as if they were all evil people.
[01:52:04.100 --> 01:52:06.600] [SPEAKER_20]: I realized it's as simplistic as that.
[01:52:06.780 --> 01:52:12.320] [SPEAKER_20]: It's like one team versus another team, and they will follow their team into hell if they have to.
[01:52:12.840 --> 01:52:15.540] [SPEAKER_20]: You know, that's what this has become.
[01:52:15.880 --> 01:52:17.480] [SPEAKER_20]: And it's ridiculous.
[01:52:18.120 --> 01:52:23.960] [SPEAKER_20]: And I just hope at some point they snap out of it, and I hope it's not too painful when they do.
[01:52:24.920 --> 01:52:35.740] [SPEAKER_16]: I saw this dude, I saw this dude who said he came from, that Madison Square Garden rally, he said he came from Ohio, and he literally used his last, he closed out his bank account.
[01:52:35.920 --> 01:52:38.540] [SPEAKER_16]: He has no money, he's unemployed, has no money.
[01:52:38.740 --> 01:52:43.700] [SPEAKER_16]: He closed out his bank account to get, to pay for transportation, to come to see this man.
[01:52:45.800 --> 01:52:48.140] [SPEAKER_20]: And who is he going to blame for being bankrupt?
[01:52:48.400 --> 01:52:49.100] [SPEAKER_20]: It won't be Trump.
[01:52:49.760 --> 01:52:50.860] [SPEAKER_20]: It'll be the Democrats.
[01:52:51.840 --> 01:52:52.200] [SPEAKER_20]: Exactly.
[01:52:55.120 --> 01:52:56.280] [SPEAKER_16]: Anyway, y'all have a good night.
[01:52:56.340 --> 01:52:57.560] [SPEAKER_16]: I just wanted to chime in a little bit.
[01:52:57.980 --> 01:52:59.340] [SPEAKER_20]: Glad you got out safely.
[01:52:59.680 --> 01:53:01.660] [SPEAKER_20]: And it's great to have your perspective.
[01:53:01.900 --> 01:53:04.980] [SPEAKER_20]: Is there anything else that was weird in that place that we might not have heard about?
[01:53:05.860 --> 01:53:12.360] [SPEAKER_16]: Nothing else was weird, but I gotta tell you, when that comedian did that, I instantly knew, instantly knew it was going to be a problem.
[01:53:12.360 --> 01:53:13.680] [SPEAKER_16]: Like, I knew immediately.
[01:53:13.940 --> 01:53:20.400] [SPEAKER_16]: And by the way, I don't think the cameras really caught the reactions of the people in the crowd, because they thought that was hilarious.
[01:53:20.980 --> 01:53:22.280] [SPEAKER_16]: And I don't see the joke.
[01:53:22.460 --> 01:53:23.100] [SPEAKER_16]: It's not funny.
[01:53:23.300 --> 01:53:28.480] [SPEAKER_16]: Like, even, no matter how you feel about Puerto Rican, let's say you even didn't like Puerto Ricans, or whatever.
[01:53:28.600 --> 01:53:29.680] [SPEAKER_16]: It's just not a funny joke.
[01:53:29.980 --> 01:53:30.600] [SPEAKER_16]: You know what I mean?
[01:53:30.700 --> 01:53:32.700] [SPEAKER_16]: So, it's just not a funny joke.
[01:53:32.880 --> 01:53:33.820] [SPEAKER_16]: It's just not a funny joke.
[01:53:36.540 --> 01:53:40.760] [SPEAKER_20]: It's obvious that this was something that was okay in their camp.
[01:53:40.760 --> 01:53:42.400] [SPEAKER_20]: They picked this guy out.
[01:53:42.560 --> 01:53:44.780] [SPEAKER_20]: They knew the kind of material he would do.
[01:53:44.920 --> 01:53:49.480] [SPEAKER_20]: As you say, the crowd laughed, calling Puerto Rico garbage, you know.
[01:53:49.640 --> 01:53:58.820] [SPEAKER_20]: And then, the ultimate irony is that Biden goes and speaks off the cuff and calls Trump supporters garbage in response to that.
[01:53:58.940 --> 01:54:04.620] [SPEAKER_20]: And now he's the one getting targeted for being hateful, when he's not even the candidate.
[01:54:04.620 --> 01:54:09.480] [SPEAKER_20]: And he was quick to backtrack on what he said.
[01:54:09.660 --> 01:54:13.740] [SPEAKER_20]: And Kamala Harris was very quick to say, this is not what I agree with at all.
[01:54:13.780 --> 01:54:15.120] [SPEAKER_20]: And she is very sincere about that.
[01:54:15.220 --> 01:54:16.300] [SPEAKER_20]: But they are getting traction.
[01:54:16.300 --> 01:54:19.660] [SPEAKER_20]: If you look at, you know, the news today, that's the top story.
[01:54:19.740 --> 01:54:21.580] [SPEAKER_20]: It should not be the top story at all.
[01:54:21.680 --> 01:54:24.200] [SPEAKER_20]: We're forgetting about the horrible things.
[01:54:24.200 --> 01:54:26.620] [SPEAKER_20]: And that was only one horrible thing that was said at that rally.
[01:54:26.760 --> 01:54:27.720] [SPEAKER_20]: There were so many others.
[01:54:27.860 --> 01:54:29.040] [SPEAKER_20]: It's six hours long.
[01:54:29.040 --> 01:54:31.860] [SPEAKER_20]: If you can sit through six hours of this garbage...
[01:54:31.860 --> 01:54:32.640] [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah, I said it.
[01:54:33.140 --> 01:54:36.520] [SPEAKER_20]: And then, you know, you will hear all kinds of horrible things.
[01:54:37.520 --> 01:54:38.180] [SPEAKER_16]: Oh, God.
[01:54:38.240 --> 01:54:38.900] [SPEAKER_16]: It was so many.
[01:54:39.140 --> 01:54:39.640] [SPEAKER_16]: So many.
[01:54:39.860 --> 01:54:40.400] [SPEAKER_20]: Hang on, Gila.
[01:54:40.500 --> 01:54:40.940] [SPEAKER_20]: You have something?
[01:54:43.000 --> 01:54:52.400] [SPEAKER_14]: I was thinking about, throughout my lifetime, all the stuff that has disqualified politicians and how far, how much the world has changed.
[01:54:52.600 --> 01:54:53.380] [SPEAKER_14]: Remember Howard Dean?
[01:54:53.480 --> 01:54:54.620] [SPEAKER_20]: All he did was go, woo-hoo.
[01:54:54.800 --> 01:54:55.940] [SPEAKER_20]: That's what I'm thinking.
[01:54:56.340 --> 01:54:57.320] [SPEAKER_21]: No, he went, yeah!
[01:54:57.920 --> 01:54:58.720] [SPEAKER_20]: Okay, yeah.
[01:54:58.720 --> 01:54:59.400] [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah, but you know what?
[01:54:59.520 --> 01:55:00.700] [SPEAKER_20]: Trump has done more than that.
[01:55:01.240 --> 01:55:01.940] [SPEAKER_14]: That's what I'm saying.
[01:55:02.660 --> 01:55:03.300] [SPEAKER_14]: Dan Quayle.
[01:55:05.060 --> 01:55:05.700] [SPEAKER_14]: Dan Quayle.
[01:55:06.280 --> 01:55:06.920] [SPEAKER_14]: Misspelled potato.
[01:55:07.460 --> 01:55:07.660] [SPEAKER_20]: Uh-huh.
[01:55:08.380 --> 01:55:11.800] [SPEAKER_14]: And all of a sudden, everybody's like, well, this man is too stupid to be in national politics.
[01:55:12.000 --> 01:55:14.540] [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah, but didn't he remain in national politics far too long after that?
[01:55:14.880 --> 01:55:16.780] [SPEAKER_14]: I mean, he was still the vice president at the time.
[01:55:16.840 --> 01:55:17.560] [SPEAKER_14]: He was so harmless.
[01:55:17.680 --> 01:55:19.960] [SPEAKER_14]: I don't think there's any procedure for getting rid of a vice president.
[01:55:20.340 --> 01:55:29.620] [SPEAKER_14]: But, like, the stuff that is being said now, which is infinitely worse than putting an E on the end of potato.
[01:55:30.660 --> 01:55:31.840] [SPEAKER_14]: It's not factual.
[01:55:34.160 --> 01:55:35.560] [SPEAKER_16]: Like, what has happened?
[01:55:35.940 --> 01:55:39.100] [SPEAKER_16]: There's nothing he can do that will change them.
[01:55:40.060 --> 01:55:41.800] [SPEAKER_16]: Whatever he does, they don't care.
[01:55:42.080 --> 01:55:42.980] [SPEAKER_16]: There's literally nothing.
[01:55:43.780 --> 01:55:44.580] [SPEAKER_16]: There's literally nothing.
[01:55:44.900 --> 01:55:46.460] [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah, well, it's an interesting study.
[01:55:46.600 --> 01:55:58.460] [SPEAKER_20]: And, you know, we've said this many times over the years, but the people who say it can't happen here, whatever it they're referring to, they're wrong because anything can happen anywhere and nobody is immune.
[01:55:58.840 --> 01:56:00.460] [SPEAKER_20]: And we're seeing that firsthand here.
[01:56:02.560 --> 01:56:03.040] [SPEAKER_16]: All right.
[01:56:03.100 --> 01:56:03.780] [SPEAKER_16]: You have a good night.
[01:56:04.040 --> 01:56:04.900] [SPEAKER_20]: Thanks so much for your call.
[01:56:05.020 --> 01:56:05.300] [SPEAKER_20]: Take care.
[01:56:06.740 --> 01:56:08.400] [SPEAKER_20]: I think we're going to close it out with that.
[01:56:08.540 --> 01:56:09.480] [SPEAKER_20]: That was a good call.
[01:56:09.820 --> 01:56:15.380] [SPEAKER_20]: You know, that Dan Quayle incident brings to mind whatever happened to the kid that he was correcting in that classroom.
[01:56:15.380 --> 01:56:18.640] [SPEAKER_20]: I want to know what did that kid go on to do?
[01:56:19.360 --> 01:56:20.600] [SPEAKER_20]: Maybe he's a potato farmer.
[01:56:20.760 --> 01:56:21.240] [SPEAKER_20]: Who knows?
[01:56:21.440 --> 01:56:22.920] [SPEAKER_20]: Maybe he teaches spelling.
[01:56:23.400 --> 01:56:24.220] [SPEAKER_20]: Anything's possible.
[01:56:25.220 --> 01:56:28.160] [SPEAKER_20]: Or maybe he is voting for Trump.
[01:56:28.340 --> 01:56:29.560] [SPEAKER_20]: You know, anything.
[01:56:29.760 --> 01:56:31.000] [SPEAKER_20]: Anything is possible in this world.
[01:56:31.600 --> 01:56:32.140] [SPEAKER_20]: Rob, go ahead.
[01:56:32.680 --> 01:56:51.160] [SPEAKER_18]: The thing that always got me about Howard Dean, I always felt so bad for that guy because a mic that I don't think he knew was on happened to catch him doing a little a Yelp of Triumph when he was up on a stage at a rally for his own success with people holding up signs with his name on them.
[01:56:51.580 --> 01:57:02.800] [SPEAKER_18]: Any single one of us, I think, would have a similar reaction if we were in that situation and had, like, a crowd of people cheering us on and waving our names around and wearing T-shirts with our names on and stuff.
[01:57:02.940 --> 01:57:05.280] [SPEAKER_18]: I think that would be a pretty, you know, we'd be pumped.
[01:57:05.400 --> 01:57:05.900] [SPEAKER_18]: We'd be stoked.
[01:57:06.100 --> 01:57:08.500] [SPEAKER_18]: And we'd probably let out a nice, yeah!
[01:57:09.500 --> 01:57:17.360] [SPEAKER_21]: And there have been plenty of strange, like, power yells coming from that rally at MSG.
[01:57:17.700 --> 01:57:20.640] [SPEAKER_21]: So, like, it's a thing now, apparently.
[01:57:20.640 --> 01:57:28.100] [SPEAKER_21]: I don't know if people are being ironic, but, yeah, it just seemed like much was made of nothing.
[01:57:28.300 --> 01:57:37.740] [SPEAKER_21]: Kind of like Biden's reaction, I mean, or rebuke of the garbage comment becoming, you know, a gotcha for them.
[01:57:38.040 --> 01:57:45.400] [SPEAKER_20]: I just can't believe they're actually getting traction with that because he's not the candidate, he speaks off the cuff, he's famous for this kind of thing.
[01:57:45.540 --> 01:57:46.540] [SPEAKER_21]: Don't vote for him.
[01:57:46.860 --> 01:57:48.160] [SPEAKER_20]: And, yeah, don't vote for Biden.
[01:57:48.520 --> 01:57:51.120] [SPEAKER_20]: And they have done so much worse.
[01:57:51.360 --> 01:58:01.900] [SPEAKER_20]: The candidate, their candidate, has directly said much more horrible things, such as people like us, people who oppose him, are the enemies of the people.
[01:58:02.180 --> 01:58:05.120] [SPEAKER_20]: And bad things should happen to us and things like that.
[01:58:05.220 --> 01:58:09.560] [SPEAKER_20]: Much worse than saying, the people that are saying these racist things are garbage.
[01:58:10.080 --> 01:58:12.860] [SPEAKER_20]: You know, it's not what Kamala Harris would say if she said that.
[01:58:12.980 --> 01:58:14.360] [SPEAKER_20]: She's very clear and that's all that matters.
[01:58:14.640 --> 01:58:14.800] [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah.
[01:58:15.480 --> 01:58:19.360] [SPEAKER_14]: So did you know that if he doesn't win, it's the Jews' fault?
[01:58:19.540 --> 01:58:20.060] [SPEAKER_20]: Oh, yeah.
[01:58:20.160 --> 01:58:21.480] [SPEAKER_20]: No, it's definitely the Jews' fault.
[01:58:21.600 --> 01:58:21.680] [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah.
[01:58:21.880 --> 01:58:22.020] [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[01:58:22.280 --> 01:58:26.980] [SPEAKER_14]: But the other thing I was going to say is that that young man's name was William Figueroa.
[01:58:27.340 --> 01:58:37.920] [SPEAKER_14]: And as of five years ago, he now lives in Florida where he is the manager at a big box store somewhere in Florida, please do not praise my OSINT skills.
[01:58:37.920 --> 01:58:40.080] [SPEAKER_20]: How the hell did you find that out so quickly?
[01:58:40.320 --> 01:58:43.780] [SPEAKER_14]: I literally searched Dan Quayle Potato Kid.
[01:58:46.080 --> 01:58:46.760] [SPEAKER_14]: And...
[01:58:48.000 --> 01:58:49.980] [SPEAKER_20]: What a thing to be called.
[01:58:50.660 --> 01:58:52.040] [SPEAKER_20]: Dan Quayle Potato Kid.
[01:58:52.460 --> 01:58:53.900] [SPEAKER_14]: Trying to figure out...
[01:58:53.900 --> 01:58:57.060] [SPEAKER_14]: BuzzFeed News tracked the dude down in 2019.
[01:58:59.920 --> 01:59:00.520] [SPEAKER_14]: So...
[01:59:00.520 --> 01:59:02.400] [SPEAKER_14]: that was the first...
[01:59:02.400 --> 01:59:05.680] [SPEAKER_14]: Again, I started on the show as the research department.
[01:59:06.640 --> 01:59:07.720] [SPEAKER_20]: And this is why.
[01:59:08.960 --> 01:59:10.160] [SPEAKER_21]: We have another phone call.
[01:59:10.340 --> 01:59:13.080] [SPEAKER_21]: Yeah, this is why you need to support independent media and journalism.
[01:59:16.120 --> 01:59:21.280] [SPEAKER_20]: We said we were going to stop but Kyle said we should take this one so we're going to take this one and then we're going to stop.
[01:59:21.360 --> 01:59:21.600] [SPEAKER_20]: Good evening.
[01:59:22.040 --> 01:59:22.980] [SPEAKER_20]: You're on all the overtime.
[01:59:23.240 --> 01:59:23.360] [SPEAKER_20]: Go ahead.
[01:59:25.480 --> 01:59:26.580] [SPEAKER_07]: Good evening, everybody.
[01:59:27.460 --> 01:59:28.060] [SPEAKER_20]: Good evening.
[01:59:28.160 --> 01:59:28.500] [SPEAKER_20]: How are you?
[01:59:30.480 --> 01:59:31.520] [SPEAKER_07]: You know who this is?
[01:59:31.780 --> 01:59:32.500] [SPEAKER_20]: Now I do.
[01:59:32.700 --> 01:59:34.800] [SPEAKER_20]: And now I know why Kyle said we had to take this call.
[01:59:34.920 --> 01:59:37.900] [SPEAKER_20]: This is Zap from the UK, correct?
[01:59:38.540 --> 01:59:39.400] [SPEAKER_07]: Zap from London.
[01:59:39.780 --> 01:59:40.680] [SPEAKER_07]: I'll make it brief.
[01:59:40.680 --> 01:59:41.520] [SPEAKER_07]: I was summoned.
[01:59:44.260 --> 01:59:45.840] [SPEAKER_20]: It's good to know we can still do that.
[01:59:46.340 --> 01:59:48.980] [SPEAKER_21]: That's a very Dracula thing to say there, Zap.
[01:59:49.340 --> 01:59:49.940] [SPEAKER_20]: It's Halloween?
[01:59:50.140 --> 01:59:51.140] [SPEAKER_20]: Is it Halloween there already?
[01:59:51.160 --> 01:59:51.780] [SPEAKER_20]: Yes, it is.
[01:59:52.400 --> 01:59:53.800] [SPEAKER_07]: It's already Halloween, yes.
[01:59:53.920 --> 01:59:56.500] [SPEAKER_07]: We've got daylight saving time so it's not as late as you think.
[01:59:57.040 --> 02:00:01.340] [SPEAKER_20]: How do you guys celebrate Halloween in London?
[02:00:04.100 --> 02:00:06.120] [SPEAKER_07]: We've Americanized it so it's the same as America.
[02:00:06.340 --> 02:00:10.940] [SPEAKER_07]: The kids go around trick-or-treating and the adults go around getting drunk.
[02:00:11.380 --> 02:00:12.680] [SPEAKER_20]: Well, what did you do before?
[02:00:15.380 --> 02:00:16.180] [SPEAKER_07]: Nothing, really.
[02:00:16.320 --> 02:00:17.360] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know.
[02:00:17.520 --> 02:00:18.700] [SPEAKER_07]: Halloween comes from Scotland.
[02:00:19.020 --> 02:00:19.760] [SPEAKER_20]: Oh, it does?
[02:00:19.920 --> 02:00:20.180] [SPEAKER_07]: I think.
[02:00:20.480 --> 02:00:20.840] [SPEAKER_20]: Wow.
[02:00:21.520 --> 02:00:22.520] [SPEAKER_20]: Okay, I didn't know that.
[02:00:22.920 --> 02:00:25.860] [SPEAKER_07]: It was just the young ewes causing havoc.
[02:00:26.000 --> 02:00:27.100] [SPEAKER_07]: I saw it in a documentary.
[02:00:28.040 --> 02:00:30.200] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, it's just an excuse to cause mayhem as usual.
[02:00:30.340 --> 02:00:31.340] [SPEAKER_20]: Well, we have Mischief Night.
[02:00:31.500 --> 02:00:32.780] [SPEAKER_20]: Isn't that a Midwest thing, Gila?
[02:00:33.240 --> 02:00:33.840] [SPEAKER_20]: Mischief Night?
[02:00:34.240 --> 02:00:37.240] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I think it's Mischief Night is where it's originated from.
[02:00:37.440 --> 02:00:39.320] [SPEAKER_20]: Is that Halloween or was that the day before Halloween?
[02:00:39.820 --> 02:00:40.700] [SPEAKER_20]: It's the night before.
[02:00:40.920 --> 02:00:41.840] [SPEAKER_14]: Sometimes it's called Devil's Night.
[02:00:42.220 --> 02:00:42.760] [SPEAKER_20]: Devil's Night.
[02:00:42.980 --> 02:00:43.700] [SPEAKER_20]: Okay, so...
[02:00:43.700 --> 02:00:49.700] [SPEAKER_20]: So you got the 30th and the 31st and then All Saints Day, I guess you asked for forgiveness on that day or something?
[02:00:49.840 --> 02:00:50.180] [SPEAKER_20]: I don't know.
[02:00:51.920 --> 02:00:52.720] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I don't know.
[02:00:52.780 --> 02:00:53.880] [SPEAKER_07]: It's Mexican Day of the Dead.
[02:00:54.560 --> 02:00:55.760] [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah, yeah, that's right.
[02:00:56.660 --> 02:00:57.660] [SPEAKER_20]: Guy Fawkes Day is...
[02:00:57.660 --> 02:00:58.700] [SPEAKER_07]: And then a couple of days later.
[02:00:58.960 --> 02:01:00.680] [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah, Guy Fawkes Day on Election Day.
[02:01:00.820 --> 02:01:01.660] [SPEAKER_20]: That's going to be something.
[02:01:01.840 --> 02:01:03.160] [SPEAKER_07]: That's a proper British holiday.
[02:01:05.060 --> 02:01:06.500] [SPEAKER_07]: No, the British one is...
[02:01:06.500 --> 02:01:07.820] [SPEAKER_07]: Was it Guy Fawkes Day?
[02:01:07.980 --> 02:01:08.780] [SPEAKER_07]: November the 5th.
[02:01:08.980 --> 02:01:09.120] [SPEAKER_07]: Yep.
[02:01:09.320 --> 02:01:09.420] [SPEAKER_07]: Yep.
[02:01:11.120 --> 02:01:11.760] [SPEAKER_14]: Bonfire Night.
[02:01:12.120 --> 02:01:12.360] [SPEAKER_07]: Right.
[02:01:12.580 --> 02:01:16.380] [SPEAKER_07]: Anyway, I was going to say the reason I'm phoning is to do with Manchester 2600.
[02:01:16.540 --> 02:01:16.940] [SPEAKER_20]: Oh, yes.
[02:01:16.940 --> 02:01:17.500] [SPEAKER_20]: The controversy.
[02:01:17.940 --> 02:01:18.360] [SPEAKER_07]: Explain.
[02:01:18.800 --> 02:01:18.940] [SPEAKER_07]: Hmm.
[02:01:19.420 --> 02:01:20.860] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, it's run by women.
[02:01:21.560 --> 02:01:21.980] [SPEAKER_20]: Oh.
[02:01:22.740 --> 02:01:24.380] [SPEAKER_20]: I'm not sure where you're going with that.
[02:01:24.400 --> 02:01:26.140] [SPEAKER_20]: Which means it's excellent.
[02:01:26.360 --> 02:01:29.880] [SPEAKER_20]: But you should know that Gila has a look of ash and horror on her face.
[02:01:30.420 --> 02:01:32.000] [SPEAKER_20]: So, please follow that up.
[02:01:32.120 --> 02:01:32.580] [SPEAKER_07]: No, I'm kidding.
[02:01:32.760 --> 02:01:33.440] [SPEAKER_07]: They're lovely women.
[02:01:33.580 --> 02:01:37.760] [SPEAKER_07]: But, I believe it's because it's half-term and one of them is a mother.
[02:01:38.400 --> 02:01:40.420] [SPEAKER_07]: Now, I don't have to explain about the birds and the bees, do I?
[02:01:40.620 --> 02:01:41.640] [SPEAKER_20]: No, but...
[02:01:41.640 --> 02:01:43.760] [SPEAKER_20]: No, we were confused by it being...
[02:01:43.760 --> 02:01:47.760] [SPEAKER_20]: November 8th being the anniversary because that wouldn't still be the first Friday ever.
[02:01:48.420 --> 02:01:50.880] [SPEAKER_20]: November 8th, it's impossible for it to be the first Friday.
[02:01:51.060 --> 02:01:53.060] [SPEAKER_20]: So, we just said it didn't add up.
[02:01:53.280 --> 02:01:59.140] [SPEAKER_07]: But it's the nearest one to the first Friday and they come up to a year and they're celebrating.
[02:01:59.140 --> 02:02:02.980] [SPEAKER_07]: They've got a cake and they just decided to have it a week later for whatever reason.
[02:02:02.980 --> 02:02:03.800] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm not too sure.
[02:02:03.980 --> 02:02:08.700] [SPEAKER_07]: I believe it's to do with half-term but I'll find out and maybe phone in next week to let you know.
[02:02:08.940 --> 02:02:10.100] [SPEAKER_20]: Okay, maybe we can all celebrate.
[02:02:11.280 --> 02:02:13.500] [SPEAKER_20]: We're going to need something to celebrate.
[02:02:15.140 --> 02:02:16.500] [SPEAKER_07]: Well, the UK...
[02:02:16.500 --> 02:02:18.960] [SPEAKER_07]: Well, Bournemouth was, I think, in September's birthday.
[02:02:19.140 --> 02:02:20.600] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know how many years they've been running now.
[02:02:20.900 --> 02:02:21.580] [SPEAKER_07]: Version 2.
[02:02:21.740 --> 02:02:23.020] [SPEAKER_07]: Manchester is now Version 2.
[02:02:23.340 --> 02:02:24.900] [SPEAKER_07]: London is still Version 1.
[02:02:25.000 --> 02:02:26.640] [SPEAKER_07]: It's been running since 1993, I believe.
[02:02:27.960 --> 02:02:33.380] [SPEAKER_07]: We do this in the UK and sometimes they just don't have the meeting on the first Friday for whatever reason.
[02:02:34.380 --> 02:02:38.880] [SPEAKER_07]: It's our B-sides inconvenient and everyone just votes to say, let's have it the week after.
[02:02:39.200 --> 02:02:39.380] [SPEAKER_20]: Sure.
[02:02:39.900 --> 02:02:40.800] [SPEAKER_20]: That's definitely...
[02:02:40.800 --> 02:02:44.760] [SPEAKER_20]: It's just, we can't change it in the magazine or the website for one meeting.
[02:02:44.980 --> 02:02:45.840] [SPEAKER_07]: No, I'm not expecting to.
[02:02:45.860 --> 02:02:47.020] [SPEAKER_20]: If people understand that...
[02:02:47.020 --> 02:02:47.860] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm not expecting...
[02:02:47.860 --> 02:02:49.180] [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah, they communicate amongst themselves.
[02:02:49.180 --> 02:02:53.580] [SPEAKER_07]: They follow the Twitter accounts of all the groups.
[02:02:54.420 --> 02:02:59.300] [SPEAKER_07]: There's an American guy, I think he's called Chaz, known as the Gay Leather Biker on Twitter.
[02:02:59.940 --> 02:03:05.160] [SPEAKER_07]: He knows about the meetings and I'm going to be on the first and he's coming the following week but I can't have it on the 15th.
[02:03:05.280 --> 02:03:05.800] [SPEAKER_07]: I already asked.
[02:03:06.540 --> 02:03:08.060] [SPEAKER_20]: You just have a meeting every damn Friday.
[02:03:08.220 --> 02:03:09.500] [SPEAKER_20]: That's what it sounds like we're heading towards.
[02:03:11.140 --> 02:03:12.560] [SPEAKER_07]: Well, we have it every...
[02:03:12.560 --> 02:03:20.040] [SPEAKER_07]: Some meetings are like twice a month because they have the mid-month meeting occasionally because I'm in Cheltenham and they're very social.
[02:03:20.200 --> 02:03:21.720] [SPEAKER_07]: They do rock climbing and other things.
[02:03:21.900 --> 02:03:23.120] [SPEAKER_07]: They meet up quite a lot.
[02:03:24.000 --> 02:03:25.840] [SPEAKER_07]: Bournemouth, they're pretty good.
[02:03:25.960 --> 02:03:30.180] [SPEAKER_07]: They've got a lot of students there and Manchester is starting to be more social.
[02:03:30.660 --> 02:03:33.040] [SPEAKER_07]: Good news, might have two more meetings starting up.
[02:03:33.180 --> 02:03:37.920] [SPEAKER_07]: In December, there might be the Birmingham meeting and I heard rumors of Southampton starting up.
[02:03:38.040 --> 02:03:38.900] [SPEAKER_20]: Oh, those would be great.
[02:03:39.160 --> 02:03:42.840] [SPEAKER_20]: And you know, if anyone in Canada is listening, I don't know what the hell happened up there.
[02:03:42.920 --> 02:03:44.200] [SPEAKER_20]: There's not a single meeting in Canada.
[02:03:44.420 --> 02:03:45.440] [SPEAKER_20]: They all disappeared.
[02:03:45.440 --> 02:03:56.320] [SPEAKER_20]: So, you know, since COVID, I hope they survive COVID but I know there are hackers in Canada because a lot of them come to Hope and there are so many good cities up there to have meetings in.
[02:03:56.520 --> 02:04:00.240] [SPEAKER_20]: So, I hope that we have a dozen meetings in Canada before long.
[02:04:00.440 --> 02:04:00.840] [SPEAKER_20]: I really do.
[02:04:02.420 --> 02:04:03.580] [SPEAKER_21]: starting in the Northwest Territory.
[02:04:03.780 --> 02:04:04.960] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm just happy they've got one in Spain.
[02:04:05.220 --> 02:04:05.720] [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, yeah.
[02:04:05.840 --> 02:04:06.280] [SPEAKER_07]: In Madrid.
[02:04:06.980 --> 02:04:10.200] [SPEAKER_07]: There hasn't been a Spanish one for a while so they're getting strong.
[02:04:10.840 --> 02:04:12.140] [SPEAKER_20]: We have meetings in Colombia.
[02:04:12.580 --> 02:04:14.000] [SPEAKER_20]: We have meetings in Mexico.
[02:04:14.460 --> 02:04:17.500] [SPEAKER_20]: I think there's a meeting in Peru and Argentina.
[02:04:17.860 --> 02:04:18.780] [SPEAKER_07]: I think there's one.
[02:04:19.020 --> 02:04:24.300] [SPEAKER_07]: I was going to say, I think the Sydney meeting would actually be today on Thursday because they're like 24 hours ahead.
[02:04:24.500 --> 02:04:25.060] [SPEAKER_20]: Right, right.
[02:04:25.260 --> 02:04:28.380] [SPEAKER_07]: So, they're already having their meeting on Thursday or something or maybe it's later on today.
[02:04:28.380 --> 02:04:29.660] [SPEAKER_20]: Well, for them, it's Friday.
[02:04:29.880 --> 02:04:31.000] [SPEAKER_07]: In England, we're already in...
[02:04:31.440 --> 02:04:34.120] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I was going to say, in England, we're already on Thursday.
[02:04:34.120 --> 02:04:35.340] [SPEAKER_07]: You guys are still on Wednesday.
[02:04:36.040 --> 02:04:43.240] [SPEAKER_20]: We're still Wednesday and it is, I think, a Thursday mid-morning in Australia, I think.
[02:04:43.800 --> 02:04:45.020] [SPEAKER_20]: Someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
[02:04:45.360 --> 02:04:45.820] [SPEAKER_20]: Mm-hmm.
[02:04:46.700 --> 02:04:48.360] [SPEAKER_20]: So, yeah, their meeting will be happening in a few hours.
[02:04:48.640 --> 02:04:51.560] [SPEAKER_20]: Actually, wait, that doesn't make sense.
[02:04:51.780 --> 02:04:55.960] [SPEAKER_20]: No, that doesn't make any sense because it's Thursday so their meeting won't be until Friday.
[02:04:56.140 --> 02:04:57.660] [SPEAKER_20]: So, yeah, it's not going to be for a while.
[02:04:59.120 --> 02:04:59.560] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[02:05:00.200 --> 02:05:01.980] [SPEAKER_07]: Do you know if there's any meetings in Israel?
[02:05:02.380 --> 02:05:09.420] [SPEAKER_20]: There were before the pandemic and we had made a special exception to not be on Friday.
[02:05:09.540 --> 02:05:09.700] [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah.
[02:05:10.160 --> 02:05:13.560] [SPEAKER_20]: We had asterisks but then they never came back after COVID.
[02:05:15.420 --> 02:05:15.700] [SPEAKER_07]: Oh.
[02:05:16.080 --> 02:05:16.320] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[02:05:16.580 --> 02:05:20.360] [SPEAKER_07]: And I think Egypt was on Thursday as well and I think that disappeared as well.
[02:05:20.640 --> 02:05:20.840] [SPEAKER_20]: Okay.
[02:05:21.500 --> 02:05:26.780] [SPEAKER_20]: Well, I mean, we can be flexible as far as days and times and things like that so we just have to be told.
[02:05:27.320 --> 02:05:27.680] [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah.
[02:05:28.440 --> 02:05:30.040] [SPEAKER_20]: Anyway, everything else okay over there?
[02:05:32.420 --> 02:05:33.700] [SPEAKER_20]: How's Marriott England doing?
[02:05:34.240 --> 02:05:35.000] [SPEAKER_07]: More or less.
[02:05:35.320 --> 02:05:41.480] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know if I'm going to a meeting on Friday otherwise it's still getting complicated but there should be a meeting on Friday in London.
[02:05:41.900 --> 02:05:43.280] [SPEAKER_07]: There should be one in Bournemouth.
[02:05:44.480 --> 02:05:46.760] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm trying to think of those children should have you having one.
[02:05:47.680 --> 02:05:49.040] [SPEAKER_07]: Those are just the English ones.
[02:05:49.180 --> 02:05:51.440] [SPEAKER_07]: There's of course a couple in Scotland and there might be a few in Ireland.
[02:05:51.980 --> 02:05:52.580] [SPEAKER_20]: Oh, really?
[02:05:52.740 --> 02:05:52.920] [SPEAKER_20]: Okay.
[02:05:53.020 --> 02:05:53.780] [SPEAKER_20]: I'd like to know about those.
[02:05:55.920 --> 02:05:56.500] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know.
[02:05:56.580 --> 02:05:58.920] [SPEAKER_07]: I think there's one in Dublin and there's one in Belfast.
[02:05:59.360 --> 02:05:59.720] [SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
[02:05:59.820 --> 02:06:00.340] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, you...
[02:06:00.340 --> 02:06:01.020] [SPEAKER_07]: But they don't...
[02:06:01.020 --> 02:06:01.720] [SPEAKER_07]: They're not organized.
[02:06:02.220 --> 02:06:02.460] [SPEAKER_20]: Okay.
[02:06:03.380 --> 02:06:04.480] [SPEAKER_20]: It doesn't take much to organize.
[02:06:04.480 --> 02:06:05.240] [SPEAKER_20]: They're going to have discords.
[02:06:05.940 --> 02:06:07.260] [SPEAKER_20]: It doesn't take much to organize.
[02:06:07.460 --> 02:06:07.960] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I know that they're lazy.
[02:06:09.360 --> 02:06:13.240] [SPEAKER_20]: I'm not sure how they'll react to that but yeah.
[02:06:13.680 --> 02:06:24.840] [SPEAKER_20]: If you want to start a 2600 meeting all you have to do is go to the website 2600.com/meetings click on the link for guidelines and then email us or write to us on Twitter.
[02:06:25.100 --> 02:06:28.940] [SPEAKER_20]: I believe the account is 2600 meetings and you can...
[02:06:28.940 --> 02:06:38.240] [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah, there's the 2600 meetings Twitter account which we still use for that and you can email meetings at 2600.com with details.
[02:06:38.520 --> 02:06:45.400] [SPEAKER_20]: We just like meetings to be on the first Friday just so that it's easy to know when meeting day is and they have to be open to everybody.
[02:06:45.400 --> 02:06:53.720] [SPEAKER_20]: No admission charge, no age restriction, things like that and you can't basically say this is my meeting and you're not allowed to come.
[02:06:53.840 --> 02:06:54.460] [SPEAKER_20]: You can't say that.
[02:06:55.200 --> 02:07:05.460] [SPEAKER_20]: If somebody is acting badly then the venue itself will take care of that but that's not something that we expect or meeting people to be handling.
[02:07:07.580 --> 02:07:08.380] [SPEAKER_07]: Sometimes we do.
[02:07:08.500 --> 02:07:13.240] [SPEAKER_07]: We just drag them around the back and they soon get educated in a nice way.
[02:07:13.760 --> 02:07:14.680] [SPEAKER_20]: Yes, yes, definitely.
[02:07:15.860 --> 02:07:17.120] [SPEAKER_20]: Well, Zap, good hearing from you.
[02:07:18.200 --> 02:07:23.380] [SPEAKER_20]: I hope you have a fun Halloween and hope we survive next week.
[02:07:23.500 --> 02:07:24.340] [SPEAKER_07]: Certainly will, Troy.
[02:07:25.320 --> 02:07:25.480] [SPEAKER_20]: Cool.
[02:07:25.680 --> 02:07:25.800] [SPEAKER_07]: Yep.
[02:07:26.140 --> 02:07:28.280] [SPEAKER_07]: Just to say something.
[02:07:28.460 --> 02:07:30.580] [SPEAKER_07]: I think Manchester are going to their old venue.
[02:07:30.920 --> 02:07:34.360] [SPEAKER_07]: The details are on their Twitter which is 2600 Manchester.
[02:07:35.120 --> 02:07:35.560] [SPEAKER_20]: Okay.
[02:07:35.880 --> 02:07:38.240] [SPEAKER_07]: Because we're going to go back to the old venue.
[02:07:38.440 --> 02:07:44.220] [SPEAKER_20]: Do ask them to contact us if they are having any venue changes because we don't always check everybody's Twitter account or webpage.
[02:07:45.920 --> 02:07:46.540] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[02:07:46.640 --> 02:07:50.560] [SPEAKER_07]: No, I'll tell them that I was on the radio promoting their meeting and they'll sort things out.
[02:07:50.720 --> 02:07:51.500] [SPEAKER_07]: They're pretty good like that.
[02:07:52.020 --> 02:07:52.260] [SPEAKER_20]: Okay.
[02:07:52.460 --> 02:07:57.560] [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah, we met at least one of the people that runs the meetings.
[02:07:57.560 --> 02:07:58.320] [SPEAKER_07]: You met Rosie?
[02:07:58.520 --> 02:07:59.420] [SPEAKER_20]: Yes, at DEFCON.
[02:07:59.880 --> 02:08:01.780] [SPEAKER_07]: Rosie's the one with the children as far as I know.
[02:08:01.940 --> 02:08:03.300] [SPEAKER_07]: But yeah, it was Rosie you met.
[02:08:03.700 --> 02:08:04.020] [SPEAKER_20]: Cool.
[02:08:04.640 --> 02:08:04.980] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[02:08:05.620 --> 02:08:09.240] [SPEAKER_07]: And I hope everyone in America votes because I think you have to see something soon.
[02:08:09.640 --> 02:08:11.420] [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah, we got that thing coming up.
[02:08:12.760 --> 02:08:13.200] [SPEAKER_20]: All right.
[02:08:13.380 --> 02:08:15.980] [SPEAKER_20]: Well, it'll be interesting to see what kind of move we're in next week.
[02:08:16.120 --> 02:08:19.160] [SPEAKER_20]: So this might be the last time we're fairly normal.
[02:08:20.660 --> 02:08:22.260] [SPEAKER_07]: And thank you very much for taking the call.
[02:08:22.280 --> 02:08:22.860] [SPEAKER_07]: I appreciate it.
[02:08:22.900 --> 02:08:25.240] [SPEAKER_07]: I know you said you didn't want to take another one and I've been chatting too long.
[02:08:25.500 --> 02:08:26.320] [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah, well, you're Zap.
[02:08:26.420 --> 02:08:27.480] [SPEAKER_20]: Of course we have to pick the phone up.
[02:08:28.780 --> 02:08:30.140] [SPEAKER_20]: Thank you for calling, Zap.
[02:08:30.340 --> 02:08:30.480] [SPEAKER_07]: Thank you, people.
[02:08:30.680 --> 02:08:30.940] [SPEAKER_20]: Yes.
[02:08:31.800 --> 02:08:32.480] [SPEAKER_08]: You're welcome.
[02:08:34.020 --> 02:08:34.560] [SPEAKER_08]: Bye-bye.
[02:08:34.980 --> 02:08:35.260] [SPEAKER_08]: Wow.
[02:08:36.020 --> 02:08:36.540] [SPEAKER_20]: Be well.
[02:08:37.500 --> 02:08:37.980] [SPEAKER_20]: All right.
[02:08:38.020 --> 02:08:39.060] [SPEAKER_20]: And that was the last call.
[02:08:40.320 --> 02:08:41.780] [SPEAKER_20]: I don't care if the Pope calls.
[02:08:41.940 --> 02:08:42.600] [SPEAKER_20]: We're not picking up.
[02:08:43.640 --> 02:08:44.200] [SPEAKER_20]: All right.
[02:08:44.320 --> 02:08:46.160] [SPEAKER_20]: So that's it for us.
[02:08:46.680 --> 02:08:49.640] [SPEAKER_20]: oth@2600.com is our email address.
[02:08:49.640 --> 02:08:54.240] [SPEAKER_20]: If you have anything to say, any final words from you guys on Skype-land?
[02:08:55.220 --> 02:08:55.680] [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah.
[02:08:56.440 --> 02:09:09.780] [SPEAKER_18]: As Zap was saying, it's always good when meetings, when the 2600 meetings all over the world have their own sort of web presences social media, whatever, you can find our own for the New York meetings at nyc2600.net.
[02:09:10.280 --> 02:09:11.100] [SPEAKER_20]: That's right.
[02:09:11.200 --> 02:09:21.360] [SPEAKER_20]: Let us know if you have a Mastodon instance or account or Bluesky or Twitter or web page, whatever.
[02:09:21.700 --> 02:09:23.140] [SPEAKER_20]: We'll spread that around.
[02:09:25.500 --> 02:09:26.180] [SPEAKER_21]: Yeah.
[02:09:26.460 --> 02:09:31.600] [SPEAKER_21]: And to rebuild anything, you have to deconstruct something or everything.
[02:09:32.960 --> 02:09:33.320] [SPEAKER_20]: Wow.
[02:09:33.560 --> 02:09:33.700] [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah.
[02:09:34.200 --> 02:09:35.620] [SPEAKER_20]: I'm going to chew on that for a while.
[02:09:36.780 --> 02:09:37.400] [SPEAKER_20]: I don't know.
[02:09:38.420 --> 02:09:39.320] [SPEAKER_20]: I thought it was cool.
[02:09:40.020 --> 02:09:41.740] [SPEAKER_20]: We'll see you next week.
[02:09:41.920 --> 02:09:42.140] [SPEAKER_20]: Good night.