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[02:03.760 --> 02:05.580] [SPEAKER_01]: The program is Off The Hook.
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[02:09.240 --> 02:10.540] [SPEAKER_01]: Joined tonight by Kyle.
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[02:30.580 --> 02:36.540] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's been another action-packed week in occupied land here.
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[02:39.580 --> 02:41.620] [SPEAKER_01]: Just one horrible thing after another happens.
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[05:55.800 --> 06:14.420] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, you don't have to pay very close attention to the news to come to the conclusion that we're being led by a group of petty tyrants that can't take criticism, that certainly aren't capable of doing the job, and it's just one carnival after another watching them in action.
[06:14.900 --> 06:17.260] [SPEAKER_01]: They have declared war on us.
[06:17.260 --> 06:33.020] [SPEAKER_01]: Because by us, I mean free-thinking people, I mean non-commercial radio, I mean, you know, anybody who has the chutzpah to say anything against what is currently happening right now.
[06:33.020 --> 06:41.480] [SPEAKER_01]: You do that, and all of a sudden, you're in the crosshairs like Harvard, you know, where you stand up for yourself and you are a threat.
[06:41.760 --> 06:51.120] [SPEAKER_01]: Here at WBAI, we make NPR pale by comparison because we speak our minds and we don't apologize for that.
[06:51.620 --> 06:57.180] [SPEAKER_01]: And the things that we say are things that the powers that be certainly do not want us to say.
[06:57.340 --> 07:00.720] [SPEAKER_01]: They don't want us to talk about... they don't want us to be around at all.
[07:00.960 --> 07:03.600] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, if they could, they would deport all of us.
[07:04.120 --> 07:05.580] [SPEAKER_01]: And they're working towards that.
[07:05.800 --> 07:06.440] [SPEAKER_01]: They really are.
[07:06.980 --> 07:10.820] [SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to use any imagination to get to that conclusion.
[07:10.960 --> 07:22.960] [SPEAKER_01]: That's why it's so important to not have to worry about how we're going to pay the rent, you know, or something, you know, I don't want to say trivial because rent is anything but trivial for many of our listeners and certainly for us.
[07:23.660 --> 07:27.320] [SPEAKER_01]: But it's something that shouldn't be front and foremost in our minds.
[07:27.320 --> 07:37.900] [SPEAKER_01]: We should be doing the hard-hitting, investigating, and exposing of corruption and hypocrisy and all the other things that are in abundance right now.
[07:38.480 --> 07:55.780] [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, we've seen countless instances of mainstream media buckling under, being cowards, retracting statements, even paying money to the president's causes because they're afraid.
[07:55.780 --> 08:00.100] [SPEAKER_01]: The same thing with corporate America, you know, non-media.
[08:00.960 --> 08:03.640] [SPEAKER_01]: The same thing with the big tech companies.
[08:04.020 --> 08:06.100] [SPEAKER_01]: They are all terrified.
[08:06.460 --> 08:06.940] [SPEAKER_01]: Why?
[08:07.060 --> 08:08.260] [SPEAKER_01]: Because they have so much to lose.
[08:08.620 --> 08:16.940] [SPEAKER_01]: They've made billions, more probably, and it could all go away if the petty tyrant in charge decides they are the enemy.
[08:17.120 --> 08:19.660] [SPEAKER_01]: He can make life very, very difficult for them.
[08:19.760 --> 08:20.980] [SPEAKER_01]: So they do not want that.
[08:20.980 --> 08:34.720] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's why you're seeing less corporate backing of pride marches, less corporate support for anything that criticizes Donald Trump and his kind.
[08:35.580 --> 08:40.080] [SPEAKER_01]: That's why you're seeing so much in the way of hypocrisy.
[08:40.080 --> 08:46.240] [SPEAKER_01]: People that you thought were doing the right thing, all of a sudden doing something else completely differently.
[08:46.420 --> 08:47.640] [SPEAKER_01]: You're seeing it in academia.
[08:47.640 --> 09:02.340] [SPEAKER_01]: You're seeing some universities that just are agreeing to do whatever they're told instead of doing what is right and what any academic institution would support.
[09:02.740 --> 09:07.220] [SPEAKER_01]: Freedom of speech, questioning, rebellion, all of that.
[09:07.220 --> 09:10.700] [SPEAKER_01]: It's healthy, and it's necessary, especially in these times.
[09:11.160 --> 09:12.120] [SPEAKER_01]: So that's why.
[09:12.240 --> 09:16.440] [SPEAKER_01]: That's why it's important to have a strong voice, especially in a place like New York City.
[09:16.640 --> 09:20.660] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, we have many non-commercial radio stations, and I'm happy for every single one of them.
[09:21.020 --> 09:23.780] [SPEAKER_01]: But there's something very special about WBAI.
[09:23.860 --> 09:27.860] [SPEAKER_01]: For one thing, we're the most middle of the dial that you can get.
[09:28.000 --> 09:29.040] [SPEAKER_01]: We're at 99.5.
[09:29.180 --> 09:30.120] [SPEAKER_01]: There's a whole story behind that.
[09:30.180 --> 09:31.020] [SPEAKER_01]: We don't have time for it.
[09:31.500 --> 09:37.380] [SPEAKER_01]: But most non-commercial stations are shunted over to the left of the dial, below 92.
[09:37.380 --> 09:40.060] [SPEAKER_01]: There are a couple of exceptions, but we're in the middle.
[09:40.240 --> 09:48.980] [SPEAKER_01]: That, you know, it doesn't really mean anything except that a lot of people find us by accident because they're not in the non-commercial zone.
[09:49.100 --> 09:50.260] [SPEAKER_01]: They're in the commercial zone.
[09:50.340 --> 09:51.580] [SPEAKER_01]: They're looking for a commercial station.
[09:51.740 --> 09:54.880] [SPEAKER_01]: And all of a sudden, wow, you're listening to a radio show about hackers.
[09:54.980 --> 09:55.720] [SPEAKER_01]: How did that happen?
[09:55.720 --> 09:58.740] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's been happening since 1960.
[09:58.740 --> 10:04.320] [SPEAKER_01]: Not the show about hackers, but non-commercial radio at 99.5 FM in New York City.
[10:04.500 --> 10:12.460] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's no coincidence that WBAI is one of the longest living stations in New York City.
[10:12.500 --> 10:37.600] [SPEAKER_01]: If you go to any frequency on the dial, there is a story behind that particular frequency and how it once played a different type of music or had a different format and then was bought and traded and just changed to something completely different, leaving many of its listeners disappointed and upset that something they were depending on had disappeared.
[10:37.860 --> 10:46.140] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, we have not been without struggle and without challenges to our own frequency, to our own broadcasting license.
[10:46.140 --> 10:48.220] [SPEAKER_01]: And in fact, to this day, we still are.
[10:49.020 --> 10:50.740] [SPEAKER_01]: But we always come back.
[10:50.900 --> 10:51.940] [SPEAKER_01]: We always come back.
[10:52.040 --> 10:58.240] [SPEAKER_01]: You might find several stories of how this place has been shut down, but we are always back.
[10:58.240 --> 11:08.500] [SPEAKER_01]: And we are always doing the same thing, which is asking you for support and broadcasting rebellious, independent, creative radio.
[11:09.220 --> 11:13.420] [SPEAKER_01]: And there's very, very few stations like that left.
[11:13.740 --> 11:15.880] [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm proud to be part of this one.
[11:16.600 --> 11:23.500] [SPEAKER_01]: So, anyway, buddy.wbai.org, please support this place.
[11:23.920 --> 11:25.160] [SPEAKER_01]: Support it in droves.
[11:25.600 --> 11:35.800] [SPEAKER_01]: Because if it does go away, if it is shut down by people who are afraid of freedom of speech, it's not going to come back.
[11:35.960 --> 11:39.160] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not going to come back if they win.
[11:39.200 --> 11:40.500] [SPEAKER_01]: And we can't let that happen.
[11:41.660 --> 11:46.100] [SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's get into the show because we have a lot of things to talk about tonight.
[11:46.400 --> 11:50.920] [SPEAKER_01]: First of all, let's stay with the White House for a moment because this is just...
[11:50.920 --> 11:53.120] [SPEAKER_01]: This is what's known as a delicious story.
[11:53.400 --> 12:11.200] [SPEAKER_01]: The White House is investigating after one or more people reportedly accessed the contacts from the personal phone of White House Chief of Staff Susie Wiles and used the information to contact other top officials and impersonate her.
[12:11.860 --> 12:13.760] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I would have loved to have heard that.
[12:14.600 --> 12:17.400] [SPEAKER_01]: Wiles reportedly told people that her phone was hacked.
[12:18.160 --> 12:19.700] [SPEAKER_01]: I could just hear her saying it, too.
[12:19.700 --> 12:25.120] [SPEAKER_01]: The Wall Street Journal first reported the hack of Wiles' phone.
[12:26.790 --> 12:29.620] [SPEAKER_01]: And CBS News has also confirmed that report.
[12:29.720 --> 12:33.340] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why CBS News had to confirm what the Wall Street Journal said.
[12:33.440 --> 12:33.980] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, well, fine.
[12:34.080 --> 12:34.640] [SPEAKER_01]: Everybody agrees.
[12:34.840 --> 12:42.720] [SPEAKER_01]: The hacker or hackers are said to have accessed her phone contacts, including the phone numbers of other top U.S.
[12:42.820 --> 12:44.820] [SPEAKER_01]: officials and influential individuals.
[12:45.300 --> 13:02.980] [SPEAKER_01]: The Wall Street Journal reports some contacts received phone calls impersonating Wiles, which used, get ready, artificial intelligence to impersonate her voice and also sent text messages from a number not associated with her.
[13:03.780 --> 13:04.360] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[13:04.960 --> 13:22.600] [SPEAKER_01]: White House spokesperson Anna Kelly would not say, when asked by TechCrunch, not TechCrunch is involved in the story, if authorities had determined if a cloud account associated with her personal device was compromised or if her phone was targeted by a more advanced cyber attack,
[13:22.800 --> 13:26.220] [SPEAKER_01]: such as one that involves the use of government-grade spyware.
[13:26.560 --> 13:27.160] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[13:27.620 --> 13:36.160] [SPEAKER_01]: In response, the White House said it takes the cybersecurity of all staff very seriously and this matter continues to be investigated.
[13:37.740 --> 13:38.340] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[13:38.580 --> 13:38.800] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[13:39.100 --> 13:40.060] [SPEAKER_01]: Good luck with that.
[13:40.340 --> 13:43.980] [SPEAKER_01]: This is the second time Wiles has been targeted by hackers.
[13:44.760 --> 13:46.120] [SPEAKER_01]: She hasn't been around that long.
[13:46.360 --> 13:46.620] [SPEAKER_01]: Right?
[13:46.880 --> 13:47.380] [SPEAKER_01]: 2024?
[13:47.900 --> 13:48.040] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[13:48.200 --> 13:56.580] [SPEAKER_01]: Last year, the Washington Post reported that Iranian hackers had attempted to compromise her personal email account.
[13:57.360 --> 14:07.420] [SPEAKER_01]: Wall Street Journal said Friday, citing sources, the hackers were in fact successful in breaking into her email and obtained a dossier on Vice President J.D.
[14:07.540 --> 14:09.380] [SPEAKER_01]: Vance, then Trump's running mate.
[14:10.240 --> 14:16.740] [SPEAKER_01]: This is the latest cybersecurity incident to beset the Trump administration in the months since taking office.
[14:17.300 --> 14:19.380] [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, it really hasn't been that long.
[14:19.720 --> 14:21.360] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's...
[14:21.360 --> 14:23.540] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you can fit them on one hand still, right?
[14:24.060 --> 14:25.620] [SPEAKER_01]: January, February, March, April...
[14:25.620 --> 14:26.420] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, two hands.
[14:26.620 --> 14:28.060] [SPEAKER_01]: But it's not much.
[14:28.200 --> 14:28.900] [SPEAKER_01]: Not many months.
[14:29.640 --> 14:31.440] [SPEAKER_01]: And they've had quite a few incidents.
[14:32.260 --> 14:47.500] [SPEAKER_01]: In March, former White House top national security advisor Michael Walsh mistakenly added a journalist to a signal group of top White House officials, including Vance and Wiles, which included discussions of a planned military airstrike in Yemen.
[14:48.200 --> 14:50.560] [SPEAKER_01]: That's not really a breach.
[14:50.580 --> 14:53.040] [SPEAKER_01]: That's just a dumbass, right?
[14:53.180 --> 14:55.940] [SPEAKER_01]: It's somebody doing something they're not supposed to do.
[14:56.500 --> 14:58.040] [SPEAKER_01]: But plenty of time for breaches.
[14:58.580 --> 15:07.540] [SPEAKER_01]: Reports later revealed that the government officials were using a signal clone app called TeleMessage, which was designed to keep a copy of messages for government archiving.
[15:08.300 --> 15:14.920] [SPEAKER_01]: TeleMessage was then subsequently hacked on at least two occasions, revealing the contents of its users' private messages.
[15:15.820 --> 15:16.880] [SPEAKER_01]: Check and mate.
[15:17.140 --> 15:22.180] [SPEAKER_01]: So, that's what happens when you have people in charge that don't know what they're doing.
[15:22.760 --> 15:24.040] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it happens.
[15:24.180 --> 15:25.280] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it happens almost everywhere.
[15:25.520 --> 15:28.460] [SPEAKER_01]: But when it happens here, I don't know.
[15:28.540 --> 15:30.420] [SPEAKER_01]: It just seems to be extra special somehow.
[15:30.420 --> 15:37.320] [SPEAKER_01]: They put extra ingredients into their cyber attacks, into their security breaches.
[15:37.820 --> 15:38.520] [SPEAKER_01]: Thoughts?
[15:39.880 --> 15:40.580] [SPEAKER_01]: No.
[15:41.240 --> 15:41.660] [SPEAKER_13]: Sure.
[15:41.940 --> 15:46.060] [SPEAKER_13]: I could jump in here on a number of things with that particular story.
[15:46.200 --> 16:01.120] [SPEAKER_13]: But I find it really troubling when you have all these federal officials that have seemingly just incessant problems with cybersecurity and cyber hygiene and the first response that they always have is, my phone was hacked.
[16:01.300 --> 16:02.260] [SPEAKER_13]: I was hacked.
[16:02.440 --> 16:03.200] [SPEAKER_13]: This was hacked.
[16:03.460 --> 16:04.060] [SPEAKER_13]: The device was hacked.
[16:04.340 --> 16:25.300] [SPEAKER_13]: Without providing any further details about the device, the methodology of the hack, without giving any indication as to what the hell had happened to the particular phone and whether they were exercising due care over that data and that device and the classified and other unclassified but controlled information they may have that belongs to the federal government.
[16:25.300 --> 16:30.120] [SPEAKER_13]: So I'm getting really tired of this my device was hacked nonsense.
[16:30.580 --> 16:35.000] [SPEAKER_13]: I feel like we should be demanding a lot more information about this.
[16:35.120 --> 16:40.440] [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, we're a much more mature populace right now that understands these things.
[16:40.600 --> 16:49.000] [SPEAKER_13]: We've got lots of technical experts and no shortage of people willing to opine in the media like this show about how these things could happen.
[16:49.320 --> 17:01.480] [SPEAKER_13]: So I think it's high time we demand some more details about this and we should not allow and the media should not allow these federal officials to just seemingly claim that their phones were hacked anymore.
[17:01.820 --> 17:04.780] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know we're doing a lot of demanding lately.
[17:05.100 --> 17:08.120] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Chuck Schumer is always demanding things always writing letters.
[17:09.160 --> 17:11.660] [SPEAKER_01]: How do we ensure that we get answers?
[17:11.860 --> 17:13.900] [SPEAKER_01]: Because I don't think they're going to tell us anything.
[17:14.140 --> 17:18.880] [SPEAKER_01]: We just have to kind of theorize as to what happened what kind of mistake was made.
[17:19.220 --> 17:21.640] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yeah she said her phone was hacked.
[17:21.920 --> 17:22.940] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, how?
[17:23.340 --> 17:24.660] [SPEAKER_01]: Susie, how did that happen?
[17:24.660 --> 17:25.100] [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[17:25.520 --> 17:27.680] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, did you use a stupid password?
[17:28.000 --> 17:30.580] [SPEAKER_01]: Did somebody shoulder surf?
[17:31.100 --> 17:34.960] [SPEAKER_01]: Did you use an app that you didn't know where it came from?
[17:35.300 --> 17:38.040] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's so many ways that you can be compromised.
[17:38.040 --> 17:38.780] [SPEAKER_01]: It's important.
[17:39.160 --> 17:41.460] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you're the White House chief of staff.
[17:41.620 --> 17:42.620] [SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of an important job.
[17:42.620 --> 17:49.020] [SPEAKER_01]: So we need to make sure that you're employing the basic security measures.
[17:49.240 --> 17:50.280] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, the basic ones.
[17:51.620 --> 17:59.400] [SPEAKER_13]: Well, and to add to that, Emmanuel, I think that the public would have a right to know whether or not this is some kind of zero-day type of attack or a zero-click kind of attack.
[18:00.120 --> 18:11.160] [SPEAKER_13]: That would be some kind of indication that a nation was behind a particular attack on the chief of staff as opposed to some kind of ordinary fraud to a cyber criminal.
[18:11.920 --> 18:22.920] [SPEAKER_13]: And in this particular instance, I might be wrong, but I think that the FBI did rule out that nations were behind this, meaning that nations were not behind this particular attack.
[18:23.000 --> 18:27.060] [SPEAKER_13]: As I understand it and what I've read, but I could be wrong about that.
[18:27.220 --> 18:28.120] [SPEAKER_01]: How do you rule that out?
[18:28.240 --> 18:29.620] [SPEAKER_01]: How exactly do you do that?
[18:29.980 --> 18:35.540] [SPEAKER_13]: Well, I guess you would have to perform some kind of forensics on this and look at the sophistication involved in the attack.
[18:35.760 --> 18:45.980] [SPEAKER_13]: And if you're ruling out nation states being behind this, then it probably wasn't a hell of a sophisticated attack that resulted in however the breach occurred on this particular device.
[18:46.100 --> 18:46.180] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[18:46.260 --> 19:00.540] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not trying to be difficult here, but what if a nation state simply realizes that they don't need to use something sophisticated to compromise a particular person and they just hire, you know, some ordinary person to do this and then it doesn't seem like a nation state,
[19:00.700 --> 19:01.580] [SPEAKER_01]: but it is.
[19:01.660 --> 19:03.280] [SPEAKER_13]: And that happens all the time.
[19:03.460 --> 19:04.300] [SPEAKER_13]: That happens all the time.
[19:04.420 --> 19:17.540] [SPEAKER_13]: There are initial access brokers that sophisticated APTs or advanced persistent threats or nation states will use in order to make those types of initial breaches of whether it's a device, a company, an account, et cetera.
[19:17.940 --> 19:28.100] [SPEAKER_13]: And it gives them some kind of plausible deniability or at least breaks that chain of attribution makes it much more difficult for somebody to figure out whether or not there is a sophisticated actor on the other side.
[19:28.220 --> 19:34.660] [SPEAKER_13]: And in this case, it doesn't sound like there was a great deal of sophistication needed to breach the chief of staff here.
[19:36.960 --> 19:48.160] [SPEAKER_01]: can only imagine the kind of harm that could be done or that might have been done and you just have to wonder what kinds of security measures are or are not being taken in this group of people.
[19:49.660 --> 19:54.700] [SPEAKER_01]: All right, here's another story about somebody who tried to do something.
[19:54.980 --> 19:58.760] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it was well-intentioned, but boy, it was stupid.
[20:00.020 --> 20:07.420] [SPEAKER_01]: This is a 28-year-old who is a cybersecurity employee at the Defense Intelligence Agency.
[20:07.740 --> 20:09.180] [SPEAKER_01]: His name is Nathan Latch.
[20:09.420 --> 20:14.400] [SPEAKER_01]: He had a top-secret clearance, worked in the Insider Threat Division.
[20:16.120 --> 20:19.300] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry, that's just a really cool name of a place to work.
[20:19.620 --> 20:20.900] [SPEAKER_01]: Insider Threat Division.
[20:21.700 --> 20:37.300] [SPEAKER_01]: He spent his days enabling user monitoring on individuals with access to a defense intelligence agency known as DIA systems, including employees under surreptitious internal investigation.
[20:37.300 --> 20:52.100] [SPEAKER_01]: So if you work for the division that investigates people that work for any division, I guess you can feel like you're invincible, that you'll find out if you're being investigated.
[20:52.640 --> 20:59.000] [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, he was one of those, according to this Ars Technica story, who watched The Watchers.
[20:59.400 --> 21:05.500] [SPEAKER_01]: He appears to have had supreme confidence in his own ability to avoid detection should he decide to go rogue.
[21:05.960 --> 21:09.880] [SPEAKER_01]: Stupid mistakes made by other idiots would not be difficult for me to avoid, he once wrote.
[21:10.100 --> 21:11.780] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, how many times have I heard that?
[21:13.440 --> 21:18.040] [SPEAKER_01]: DIA wouldn't even launch an investigation of him without him knowing something was up, as we said.
[21:18.660 --> 21:30.460] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, Latch earned a cybersecurity degree from Florida Polytechnic in 2018, and he soon found himself with access to serious government secrets at DIA, which he joined in 2019.
[21:31.000 --> 21:40.080] [SPEAKER_01]: He eventually had not only a top-secret clearance, but was also read into various quote-unquote special access programs, some of the government's deepest secrets.
[21:40.080 --> 21:43.420] [SPEAKER_01]: He appears to have been relatively gruntled about his work.
[21:43.520 --> 21:49.080] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm sorry, I just have to stop there and say that one sentence has been all over the Internet this past week.
[21:49.380 --> 21:51.040] [SPEAKER_01]: Just people love that sentence.
[21:51.240 --> 21:54.680] [SPEAKER_01]: He appears to have been relatively gruntled about his work.
[21:56.120 --> 21:57.760] [SPEAKER_01]: I've never used it in my life.
[21:58.060 --> 22:00.140] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just enjoying saying it right now.
[22:00.680 --> 22:05.820] [SPEAKER_01]: But for the purposes of people who might not know, obviously disgruntled means you're not happy with something.
[22:05.940 --> 22:08.120] [SPEAKER_01]: So if you're gruntled, I guess that means you're happy?
[22:08.380 --> 22:11.320] [SPEAKER_01]: Is that a way of saying Alex, does that make sense to you?
[22:12.060 --> 22:13.600] [SPEAKER_13]: It does make sense to me.
[22:13.720 --> 22:23.500] [SPEAKER_13]: And it's interesting, too, that you hear the words gruntled and disgruntled used very often in the context of federal employees because it was always a disgruntled postal word.
[22:23.540 --> 22:24.000] [SPEAKER_01]: I hear that.
[22:24.000 --> 22:25.320] [SPEAKER_01]: I've never heard gruntled before.
[22:25.860 --> 22:28.040] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, gruntled is very unusual.
[22:28.560 --> 22:36.180] [SPEAKER_13]: And I'm not sure if it's some kind of neologism or something like that, but, you know, that came out of the word disgruntled.
[22:36.440 --> 22:39.060] [SPEAKER_13]: But it's certainly interesting.
[22:39.440 --> 22:39.960] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[22:40.260 --> 22:40.660] [SPEAKER_01]: Go ahead, Gila.
[22:41.740 --> 22:45.620] [SPEAKER_09]: Gruntled apparently roots back to the 1600s.
[22:46.840 --> 22:48.980] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it hasn't been used since then, I guess.
[22:49.200 --> 22:50.360] [SPEAKER_01]: It's coming back now.
[22:50.980 --> 23:01.340] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, but apparently gruntled, 1500s, 1600s, it meant something different, but yeah.
[23:01.560 --> 23:02.480] [SPEAKER_01]: It meant something different?
[23:03.220 --> 23:05.060] [SPEAKER_09]: Apparently, it came from the word grumble.
[23:05.380 --> 23:05.820] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[23:06.780 --> 23:11.660] [SPEAKER_09]: Is kind of where it came from, but yeah.
[23:11.760 --> 23:19.800] [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, it has become more popular, I think, as disgruntled came into use, but gruntled as a word has existed since the 1500s.
[23:19.920 --> 23:21.960] [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't look like a word that means happy.
[23:22.280 --> 23:25.080] [SPEAKER_01]: Gruntled looks like a word that means you're upset about it.
[23:25.140 --> 23:25.940] [SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, let's move on.
[23:26.140 --> 23:35.500] [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, he had been relatively gruntled about his work, but the political upheavals of the last decade shook his faith in what America stood for and the objectives his work was serving.
[23:35.780 --> 23:51.080] [SPEAKER_01]: And by March of this year, Latch had achieved full disgruntlement and allegedly sent an anonymous email to a quote, friendly foreign government, unquote, and there's relatively few of those left, offering to share classified information with them.
[23:51.180 --> 23:56.020] [SPEAKER_01]: The email said that the recent actions of the current administration are extremely disturbing to me.
[23:56.160 --> 24:03.680] [SPEAKER_01]: I do not agree or align with the values of this administration and intend to act to support the values that the United States at one time stood for.
[24:04.280 --> 24:06.060] [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, admirable statement.
[24:06.060 --> 24:07.400] [SPEAKER_01]: I agree with that.
[24:07.620 --> 24:11.020] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just the way he went about it, probably not the smartest thing to do.
[24:11.100 --> 24:15.640] [SPEAKER_01]: The FBI, and this is the weird part, the FBI was soon provided with this email.
[24:15.640 --> 24:19.020] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess whoever he contacted, contacted the FBI.
[24:20.920 --> 24:25.400] [SPEAKER_01]: They quickly found out that Latch was not nearly as good of security as he thought he was.
[24:26.200 --> 24:30.320] [SPEAKER_01]: And what this story did was go over the various mistakes there.
[24:30.440 --> 24:41.340] [SPEAKER_01]: So if you're somebody currently working in a government agency with a name like, what were they again?
[24:41.340 --> 24:43.880] [SPEAKER_01]: the insider threat division.
[24:44.020 --> 24:52.300] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if you're working for somebody like that and you're feeling less gruntled than usual, keep in mind these things because these are the mistakes he made.
[24:53.060 --> 24:54.160] [SPEAKER_01]: Redaction fail.
[24:54.400 --> 25:00.640] [SPEAKER_01]: The anonymous email included two photos, including the front and back of a U.S.
[25:00.720 --> 25:04.360] [SPEAKER_01]: government ID card of the kind used in the intelligence agency.
[25:04.480 --> 25:13.060] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, while he removed his name and photo, there was other information there that that was not redacted on one of the U.S.
[25:13.140 --> 25:16.920] [SPEAKER_01]: government IDs and law enforcement was able to determine that the U.S.
[25:17.280 --> 25:18.980] [SPEAKER_01]: government ID belonged to him through that.
[25:19.100 --> 25:22.860] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why you needed to send an ID in the first place.
[25:23.020 --> 25:24.320] [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, that's very, very dangerous.
[25:25.040 --> 25:26.500] [SPEAKER_01]: Then, email address.
[25:26.680 --> 25:32.080] [SPEAKER_01]: The FBI quickly gained access to the quote-unquote anonymous email address used to send the message.
[25:32.220 --> 25:46.020] [SPEAKER_01]: They found that on the day that this account was set up, it received a message from a second email account, possibly as a test, which turned out to be one of Latch's and contained his name as part of the email address.
[25:46.660 --> 25:48.780] [SPEAKER_01]: That right there, that's all you need, really.
[25:49.000 --> 25:50.000] [SPEAKER_01]: But there's more.
[25:50.480 --> 26:00.000] [SPEAKER_01]: The email account, the second email account when the FBI examined it, had been set up using Latch's full name, date of birth, and phone number.
[26:01.120 --> 26:01.680] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[26:02.920 --> 26:04.240] [SPEAKER_01]: Then the IP address.
[26:04.500 --> 26:12.640] [SPEAKER_01]: Both the first and second email account had been logged into from the same IP address, suggesting they were controlled by the same person.
[26:13.120 --> 26:19.060] [SPEAKER_01]: And the IP address that was used for them both resolved to Latch's residence.
[26:19.220 --> 26:22.360] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel sorry for him at this point.
[26:22.480 --> 26:24.260] [SPEAKER_01]: Boy, so much he could have learned.
[26:25.340 --> 26:33.020] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, he, to his credit, suggested moving the conversation to an encrypted messaging platform, but that was after all this had happened.
[26:33.200 --> 26:35.860] [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, kind of not the best idea.
[26:37.280 --> 26:39.220] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure what it was he offered.
[26:39.320 --> 26:46.800] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure what it was that he was going to give to this friendly government.
[26:47.200 --> 26:49.000] [SPEAKER_01]: An extraordinarily stupid thing to do.
[26:49.660 --> 26:50.580] [SPEAKER_01]: And I feel bad.
[26:50.700 --> 27:01.440] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel bad that somebody whose heart was in the right place realizing that very bad things are going on and somebody has to do something put himself in jeopardy in this way.
[27:02.160 --> 27:05.180] [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know what's going to happen with this administration.
[27:05.540 --> 27:06.360] [SPEAKER_01]: Anything is possible.
[27:07.640 --> 27:09.700] [SPEAKER_01]: I do know there are a lot more people like that.
[27:10.140 --> 27:11.760] [SPEAKER_01]: And I hope they make better decisions.
[27:12.220 --> 27:13.640] [SPEAKER_01]: And I hope they're more successful.
[27:14.120 --> 27:16.860] [SPEAKER_01]: Does anybody want to offer their opinions on this?
[27:17.240 --> 27:18.020] [SPEAKER_01]: Go ahead, Alex.
[27:18.480 --> 27:19.000] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, sure.
[27:19.000 --> 27:25.760] [SPEAKER_13]: I can jump and I guess I can sense the type of frustration that this person may have had.
[27:25.840 --> 27:40.380] [SPEAKER_13]: And I think they had their intentions in the right place, but they should have known better, especially having gone through the security clearance processing to obtain what is presumably TSSCI or top secret with access to sensitive compartmented information,
[27:40.640 --> 27:48.700] [SPEAKER_13]: especially if you had access to what appeared to be compartmented levels of programs, special access programs and things like that.
[27:48.700 --> 28:10.140] [SPEAKER_13]: So, you know, this is somebody who should have been familiar with the ordinary channels for whistleblowing types of activities, but I do sympathize with him in a sense because you have the Trump administration having terminated lots of the inspector generals of the various agencies and departments,
[28:10.140 --> 28:21.060] [SPEAKER_13]: and it probably feels like a very unsafe place to be a whistleblower or to disclose this type of information over to the media, for example.
[28:21.320 --> 28:30.700] [SPEAKER_13]: So maybe he thought handing it over to a foreign government that's also used to handling classified information would be the most secure way of doing this.
[28:30.780 --> 28:38.500] [SPEAKER_13]: But in so doing that, he made himself into a counter intelligence threat to the United States and seems to have been very easily picked up.
[28:39.020 --> 28:40.920] [SPEAKER_13]: So it's tough.
[28:41.180 --> 28:50.000] [SPEAKER_13]: And I do have to say, you know, I think there are a lot of people who are just leaving government because they disagree with the actions of the administration.
[28:50.260 --> 28:53.780] [SPEAKER_13]: You know, we see that quite a bit within FBI and elsewhere.
[28:54.040 --> 28:55.140] [SPEAKER_01]: Or because they're getting fired.
[28:55.540 --> 28:57.780] [SPEAKER_13]: Or because they're getting fired as well.
[28:58.620 --> 29:03.460] [SPEAKER_13]: But it just, there aren't a lot of avenues left for these people to blow the whistle.
[29:03.740 --> 29:05.340] [SPEAKER_13]: That's a really, really big problem.
[29:05.560 --> 29:06.600] [SPEAKER_01]: This is an important thing to remember.
[29:06.740 --> 29:07.980] [SPEAKER_01]: We're saying classified information.
[29:07.980 --> 29:10.100] [SPEAKER_01]: When you say that, you know, you think the worst.
[29:10.200 --> 29:13.500] [SPEAKER_01]: You think, you know, missiles and all kinds of security things.
[29:13.800 --> 29:23.740] [SPEAKER_01]: This could have been something that we want to know about, that we should know about, something incredibly corrupt and evil that he was trying to get out.
[29:23.880 --> 29:25.640] [SPEAKER_01]: And we don't know what that is.
[29:25.760 --> 29:26.720] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, we don't know.
[29:26.880 --> 29:27.580] [SPEAKER_01]: It could be anything.
[29:27.680 --> 29:28.020] [SPEAKER_01]: Go ahead, Rob.
[29:29.040 --> 29:36.580] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, it's, I'm also fascinated by the Ars Technica article here goes into how he got busted.
[29:37.360 --> 29:43.300] [SPEAKER_11]: Basically, the FBI had a sting operation set up, posing as the friendly country he was trying to contact.
[29:43.660 --> 29:45.340] [SPEAKER_11]: And so they told him, yeah, go get us some data.
[29:45.800 --> 29:52.720] [SPEAKER_11]: They watched him on video, copying data into notebooks by hand, tearing the pages off and stuffing them in his socks.
[29:53.740 --> 30:02.120] [SPEAKER_11]: And then he wrote up his notes, stored them on a thumb drive, and dropped them as requested by his contact, who was really a Fed, out in the park.
[30:03.280 --> 30:17.740] [SPEAKER_11]: And he had told his contact, and this is kind of a heartbreaking quote, he told his contact that he wasn't seeking money, but citizenship for your country, because he didn't expect things here to improve in the long term, even in the event that there is a change in the future.
[30:19.220 --> 30:23.920] [SPEAKER_11]: And just reading those words, I know so many people who feel like this right now.
[30:24.020 --> 30:33.060] [SPEAKER_11]: I know so many people who are giving up, or at least very much considering giving up, because the fight seems so overwhelming right now.
[30:33.180 --> 30:36.180] [SPEAKER_11]: It's very easy to feel isolated in this.
[30:36.240 --> 30:46.680] [SPEAKER_11]: It's very easy to feel alone in wanting to make things better, and it's very easy to kind of fall down your own rabbit hole, do something stupid like this, and suffer the consequences.
[30:47.980 --> 30:56.680] [SPEAKER_11]: And my heart does go out to this guy, because it seems like his heart was in the right place, even if his head was right up his, you know, anyway.
[30:56.880 --> 31:04.780] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's try and keep track of where the story goes, because we shouldn't forget about people that do things like this, and hopefully people make better decisions.
[31:05.080 --> 31:08.760] [SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, to answer your point, Rob, a lot of people are feeling this way.
[31:08.900 --> 31:09.500] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm feeling this way.
[31:09.700 --> 31:10.380] [SPEAKER_01]: Many of us are.
[31:11.500 --> 31:17.260] [SPEAKER_01]: You feel better when you know there are more people that understand, that feel the same way.
[31:17.640 --> 31:19.480] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, Kyle and I were driving the other day.
[31:19.600 --> 31:26.560] [SPEAKER_01]: We came upon a demonstration just in the middle of nowhere, a demonstration against all of this crap that's going on.
[31:27.180 --> 31:28.460] [SPEAKER_01]: We didn't know about this.
[31:28.580 --> 31:30.620] [SPEAKER_01]: It's an organization called Indivisible.
[31:31.240 --> 31:32.580] [SPEAKER_01]: Indivisible.org is their website.
[31:32.800 --> 31:38.020] [SPEAKER_01]: But there were a lot people on the street and every car passing was hawking support.
[31:38.280 --> 31:39.400] [SPEAKER_01]: This is on Long Island.
[31:39.540 --> 31:43.140] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you would think that it would be something a bit more hostile towards them.
[31:43.460 --> 31:45.300] [SPEAKER_01]: I felt so good after seeing that.
[31:45.460 --> 31:46.680] [SPEAKER_01]: We need to do this more.
[31:46.800 --> 31:53.120] [SPEAKER_01]: We need to reach out to people more and just be comforting because that's super important.
[31:53.240 --> 32:12.060] [SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, June 14th, Flag Day, also Trump's birthday, and the anniversary of the Army or Navy or one of them, that's when this big military parade is supposed to be happening in Washington, D.C., there is a groundswell of opposition to that kind of militarization of our society because,
[32:12.060 --> 32:16.160] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, that kind of thing doesn't happen here and now all of a sudden it's going to start happening.
[32:16.520 --> 32:19.280] [SPEAKER_01]: People are planning all sorts of things for that day.
[32:19.440 --> 32:21.300] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's going to get interesting.
[32:21.940 --> 32:22.420] [SPEAKER_01]: Kyle?
[32:23.040 --> 32:23.860] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I believe...
[32:23.860 --> 32:24.780] [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, go ahead.
[32:25.060 --> 32:29.320] [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, I believe specifically that's the No Kings action on that day.
[32:29.320 --> 32:39.580] [SPEAKER_12]: And we've advocated and I think many people are thinking the same way, that the way these things will thrive is through spontaneity.
[32:40.480 --> 32:40.960] [SPEAKER_12]: And...
[32:40.960 --> 32:54.580] [SPEAKER_12]: But with a dash of classic sort of organization, because you have to have a way to get the word out and to get numbers, you know, get a lot of people to actually show up.
[32:54.580 --> 33:12.020] [SPEAKER_12]: But in smaller actions distributed all over the country, there's a lot of power, a lot of visibility, because you, in the case of what we saw, you are presenting opposition maybe during someone's commute home.
[33:12.260 --> 33:25.020] [SPEAKER_12]: Those people may be inclined but may not realize, politically inclined to ally with or agree with some of what you're protesting, but they may not feel as much support.
[33:25.320 --> 33:39.260] [SPEAKER_12]: So, it is ongoing and you may not know, may not be aware of it, you kind of have to dig for some of this stuff, but groups like Indivisible have pretty good mapping and news alerts.
[33:40.000 --> 33:55.100] [SPEAKER_12]: And if, maybe not you directly, but someone in one of your smaller organizations is on the list or subscribes to some of that, they'll get the word out to you and those kinds of things, that word of mouth can be really, really powerful.
[33:55.340 --> 33:58.440] [SPEAKER_12]: Or if you see an action going on, ask how do I find out more?
[33:58.520 --> 34:00.460] [SPEAKER_12]: How do I find out when the next one is?
[34:01.100 --> 34:08.600] [SPEAKER_12]: That simple gesture will probably get you exactly what you need as far as the who, what, when, and where.
[34:09.180 --> 34:31.140] [SPEAKER_12]: And anybody who wants to inform us about stuff that is going on or news around ways to organize or tips for becoming more visible in the face of some of this onerous stuff, specifically surveillance, I know we're going to get to that later, please write us oth@2600.com and we'll air it here,
[34:31.340 --> 34:37.700] [SPEAKER_12]: especially stuff around surveillance and privacy and keeping people safe when they are exercising their rights.
[34:37.860 --> 34:52.480] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, something else that I know a lot of people have been super frustrated with is what's going on with immigration, with especially immigration courts, where people showing up for their hearings to become citizens of this country are, after their hearings,
[34:52.620 --> 35:01.440] [SPEAKER_01]: being ambushed by armed thugs, I have no other word for it, that basically throw them into a van and take them away someplace.
[35:02.000 --> 35:03.380] [SPEAKER_01]: We never know where.
[35:03.540 --> 35:06.860] [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes it's somewhere in Texas, sometimes it's to El Salvador.
[35:07.660 --> 35:08.540] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a nightmare.
[35:08.760 --> 35:09.620] [SPEAKER_01]: It's an absolute nightmare.
[35:09.940 --> 35:18.420] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's making people afraid to show their faces and to be at the hearings that they are legally entitled to be at.
[35:18.720 --> 35:23.720] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, the whole system is being bypassed.
[35:24.100 --> 35:26.360] [SPEAKER_01]: I did a little bit of digging, not much at all.
[35:26.440 --> 35:33.900] [SPEAKER_01]: I just looked on the Justice Department's website, justice.gov, and I was able to find every single immigration court is listed there.
[35:34.020 --> 35:40.020] [SPEAKER_01]: And not only that, but you can listen to all of the hearings that take place.
[35:40.200 --> 35:41.600] [SPEAKER_01]: There's a single phone number.
[35:41.720 --> 35:43.220] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to give you a phone number because it's on their website.
[35:43.640 --> 35:48.320] [SPEAKER_01]: It's area code 415, that's the Bay Area, 527-5035.
[35:48.760 --> 35:55.900] [SPEAKER_01]: And all you have to do is pick a judge in a court and every judge has a code.
[35:57.340 --> 36:00.060] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't mean a code of justice, I mean a code for the phone.
[36:00.660 --> 36:15.160] [SPEAKER_01]: For instance, looking at New York here, I see we have the Broadway Immigration Court, which is located at Ted Weiss Federal Building, 290 Broadway, 15th floor.
[36:16.320 --> 36:23.600] [SPEAKER_01]: We have the Federal Plaza Immigration Court, 26 Federal Plaza, 12th floor, room 1237.
[36:24.040 --> 36:28.980] [SPEAKER_01]: We have the Varick Immigration Court, 201 Varick Street, 5th floor, room 507.
[36:29.160 --> 36:32.160] [SPEAKER_01]: I imagine they have more than one room for courts because they have a lot of judges.
[36:32.560 --> 36:38.580] [SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, if we want to pick one, for instance, in the Broadway Immigration Court, let's see, John Burns.
[36:39.080 --> 36:42.820] [SPEAKER_01]: His code is 199-954-1409.
[36:43.000 --> 36:44.480] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not giving out any secret information.
[36:44.680 --> 36:45.900] [SPEAKER_01]: It's right there on their own website.
[36:46.360 --> 36:48.180] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, there are several things you can do.
[36:48.260 --> 36:54.200] [SPEAKER_01]: You can listen to the hearings to see if the hearings are fair and to see how they're treating people.
[36:54.720 --> 37:03.460] [SPEAKER_01]: You can also show up at these places because it makes the work of ICE so much harder if there's a mob of people in their way.
[37:03.920 --> 37:08.120] [SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of us are being surprised by these actions.
[37:08.580 --> 37:10.620] [SPEAKER_01]: But this is where the actions are taking place.
[37:10.800 --> 37:11.960] [SPEAKER_01]: At the courthouses.
[37:12.200 --> 37:13.260] [SPEAKER_01]: Outside the courtrooms.
[37:13.840 --> 37:18.440] [SPEAKER_01]: And if we are serious about stopping it from happening, well, here are the addresses.
[37:18.740 --> 37:19.500] [SPEAKER_01]: Justice.gov.
[37:19.500 --> 37:21.360] [SPEAKER_01]: Look for the immigration courts.
[37:21.560 --> 37:22.780] [SPEAKER_01]: It's all right there.
[37:22.840 --> 37:24.220] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how much longer it's going to be there for.
[37:24.480 --> 37:25.960] [SPEAKER_01]: Knowing Trump, he'll take it down.
[37:26.700 --> 37:28.780] [SPEAKER_01]: But that's why we have archive.org.
[37:28.980 --> 37:32.280] [SPEAKER_01]: And please support them too, because they are absolutely magical.
[37:33.280 --> 37:39.020] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, you can access Internet-based hearings of any court.
[37:40.140 --> 37:43.780] [SPEAKER_01]: And all the information, all the instructions are there.
[37:44.060 --> 37:45.600] [SPEAKER_01]: Alex, did you know this existed?
[37:49.520 --> 37:49.880] [SPEAKER_13]: Alex?
[37:50.020 --> 37:50.460] [SPEAKER_13]: Yes, I did.
[37:51.180 --> 37:52.560] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, I was going to mute there for a second.
[37:53.240 --> 38:03.440] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, it's quite interesting, but I think it's a really important call to action here because it allows public participation in these types of proceedings.
[38:03.580 --> 38:04.520] [SPEAKER_13]: I wouldn't say participation.
[38:04.520 --> 38:06.460] [SPEAKER_13]: I guess it allows for transparency, right?
[38:06.480 --> 38:09.940] [SPEAKER_13]: You're supposed to be silent and watch and listen to these types of things.
[38:10.120 --> 38:21.440] [SPEAKER_13]: But yeah, I think it's really important and a lot of these proceedings are very highly accessible, whether you're in a federal court, a state court, an immigration court, and we should be watching and listening.
[38:22.020 --> 38:30.680] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and the idea of ambushing somebody who is going through legal channels to resolve their situation, it's just so sleazy and horrible.
[38:31.100 --> 38:37.500] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I am all for somebody who is wanted for a crime and I'm not talking about simply existing in this country being the crime.
[38:37.660 --> 38:40.920] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm talking about violent criminals, people who are wanted.
[38:41.200 --> 38:54.160] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I don't think anybody's going to argue that those people should be found, intercepted, and prevented from walking around on the streets and victimizing more people.
[38:54.220 --> 38:55.860] [SPEAKER_01]: But we're talking about families here.
[38:56.000 --> 39:01.940] [SPEAKER_01]: We're talking about people who, like our ancestors, have simply looked for a better way of life.
[39:15.820 --> 39:18.240] [SPEAKER_01]: one of the people that she had a hearing for.
[39:18.700 --> 39:22.620] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, in a courtroom, the judge says what goes.
[39:22.840 --> 39:25.880] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, anything that they decree, that's the way it is.
[39:25.960 --> 39:26.960] [SPEAKER_01]: That's how judges are.
[39:27.580 --> 39:41.940] [SPEAKER_01]: And to introduce this new element of armed stormtroopers outside that are going to grab the person that you give a particular amount of time before the next hearing to, it's against everything that this country stands for.
[39:42.140 --> 39:42.800] [SPEAKER_01]: Alex, go ahead.
[39:42.800 --> 39:50.300] [SPEAKER_13]: Part of this tripartite and highly deplorable attack on the justice system itself.
[39:50.500 --> 39:52.660] [SPEAKER_13]: We've seen the administration target judges.
[39:52.960 --> 39:55.040] [SPEAKER_13]: We've seen them target separation of powers.
[39:55.220 --> 39:56.260] [SPEAKER_13]: We've seen them target lawyers.
[39:56.440 --> 39:57.600] [SPEAKER_13]: We've seen them target law firms.
[39:57.720 --> 39:59.020] [SPEAKER_13]: Why would they stop there?
[39:59.380 --> 40:01.300] [SPEAKER_13]: You want to go for the individual litigants as well.
[40:01.380 --> 40:03.420] [SPEAKER_13]: Make them afraid to even show up in court.
[40:03.540 --> 40:06.020] [SPEAKER_13]: Make it an access to justice issue here.
[40:06.160 --> 40:14.920] [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, this is just a part and parcel of, I think, a wholesale attack on the entire system of justice that we have come to understand in this country.
[40:15.440 --> 40:17.440] [SPEAKER_13]: They want people to feel uneasy.
[40:17.720 --> 40:24.360] [SPEAKER_13]: They want to instill a sense of disquietude for anybody who is showing up to one of these proceedings because they don't want you to.
[40:24.460 --> 40:25.980] [SPEAKER_13]: They don't want you to participate in this.
[40:26.040 --> 40:31.100] [SPEAKER_13]: You have to think about the legal system as something that is really a matter of publicly funded dispute resolution.
[40:31.820 --> 40:33.720] [SPEAKER_13]: It's our taxpayers that pay for this.
[40:33.820 --> 40:38.760] [SPEAKER_13]: We should feel safe in those buildings and we should respect the judicial officials and their orders.
[40:38.840 --> 40:44.040] [SPEAKER_13]: This is something that is not happening and it's coming extraordinarily dangerous precedent.
[40:44.320 --> 40:55.060] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we have the Constitution on our side and we have a lot of people on our side so we need to start using both and clogging up this mechanism that is being abused.
[40:55.460 --> 41:00.880] [SPEAKER_01]: All right, we have one final story but it's a big story and it's a story we're going to be coming back to many many times.
[41:00.980 --> 41:06.840] [SPEAKER_01]: It's about this organization company, corporation, whatever you want to call them called Palantir.
[41:07.240 --> 41:08.100] [SPEAKER_01]: You all heard of them?
[41:08.440 --> 41:27.780] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, in March, they've been around for a while, Trump signed an executive order two months ago, three months ago, calling for the federal government to share data across agencies, raising questions over whether he might compile a master list of personal information on Americans that could give him untold surveillance power.
[41:28.040 --> 41:35.940] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because the Trump administration has been expanding Palantir's work across the federal government in the last couple of months.
[41:36.140 --> 41:47.620] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, the company has received more than $113 million in federal government spending since Trump took office, including additional funds from existing contracts, as well as new contracts with DHS and the Pentagon.
[41:48.640 --> 41:56.420] [SPEAKER_01]: Representatives of Palantir are also speaking to at least two other agencies, Social Security Administration, Internal Revenue Service, about buying its technology.
[41:56.980 --> 42:15.820] [SPEAKER_01]: According to six government officials and Palantir employees with knowledge of the discussions, they're putting a key Palantir product known as Foundry into at least four federal agencies, DHS, the Health and Human Services Department, among others.
[42:16.440 --> 42:25.360] [SPEAKER_01]: And basically, the idea of creating detailed portraits of Americans based on government data is not just a pipe dream.
[42:25.540 --> 42:37.960] [SPEAKER_01]: The Trump administration has already sought access to hundreds of data points on citizens and others through government databases, including their bank account numbers, the amount of their student debt, their medical claims, any disability status.
[42:38.440 --> 42:46.020] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, Trump could potentially use such information to advance his political agenda by policing immigrants and punishing critics.
[42:46.600 --> 42:50.240] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not much of a reach to get to this conclusion.
[42:50.480 --> 43:01.540] [SPEAKER_01]: Privacy advocates, student unions, labor rights movements, organizations either have filed lawsuits to block data access, questioning whether the government could weaponize people's personal information.
[43:01.760 --> 43:02.940] [SPEAKER_01]: What do you think?
[43:03.080 --> 43:03.960] [SPEAKER_01]: Look at their actions.
[43:04.100 --> 43:05.480] [SPEAKER_01]: Of course, they're going to weaponize it.
[43:05.520 --> 43:06.840] [SPEAKER_01]: Of course, they're going to abuse it.
[43:07.000 --> 43:11.220] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, some current and former Palantir employees have been unnerved by the work.
[43:11.420 --> 43:18.980] [SPEAKER_01]: The company risks becoming the face of Trump's political agenda and could be vulnerable if data on Americans is breached or hacked.
[43:19.180 --> 43:21.480] [SPEAKER_01]: Correction, when it's breached or hacked.
[43:22.060 --> 43:32.320] [SPEAKER_01]: Several tried to distance the company from the efforts, saying any decisions about a merged database of personal information rest with Trump and not the firm.
[43:32.540 --> 43:34.140] [SPEAKER_01]: Have to disagree on that.
[43:34.300 --> 43:40.360] [SPEAKER_01]: You're providing the ingredients to do this and you can't disavow any responsibility.
[43:40.740 --> 43:47.340] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, this month, 13 former employees signed a letter urging Palantir to stop its endeavors with Trump.
[43:48.440 --> 43:59.240] [SPEAKER_01]: Linda Zia, a signee who was a Palantir engineer until last year, said the problem was not with the company's technology but with how the Trump administration intended to use it.
[43:59.480 --> 44:06.000] [SPEAKER_01]: Again, you know, we have been saying this for decades, that the technology is neutral.
[44:06.000 --> 44:11.600] [SPEAKER_01]: It's how it's used and every bit of good technology is also going to be used for evil.
[44:11.720 --> 44:14.760] [SPEAKER_01]: You can't just pretend you're discovering this now.
[44:14.900 --> 44:26.660] [SPEAKER_01]: When you create something, when you invent something, assume it's going to be used by the most evil people on earth and ask yourself if that's worth pursuing because guaranteed it's going to fall into their hands.
[44:26.660 --> 44:27.500] [SPEAKER_01]: Kyle?
[44:27.920 --> 44:30.720] [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, and let's not forget that this is for profit.
[44:30.960 --> 44:33.780] [SPEAKER_12]: So they want to make money doing this.
[44:33.780 --> 44:37.660] [SPEAKER_12]: And I'm not going to tell people what to do, but I will say what I think.
[44:38.940 --> 44:41.140] [SPEAKER_12]: I don't think they deserve this business model.
[44:41.320 --> 44:51.420] [SPEAKER_12]: I think the company itself should be disintegrated, like just basically crippled, however that happens, legal and otherwise.
[44:51.860 --> 45:05.640] [SPEAKER_12]: And I think that their technology should be involuntarily open-sourced or freed up so that everyone can do what they will with this innovation and they can go the way of the dust bin.
[45:07.120 --> 45:08.160] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, definitely.
[45:08.420 --> 45:09.100] [SPEAKER_12]: This is rape.
[45:09.480 --> 45:11.780] [SPEAKER_12]: It's digital data rape.
[45:12.000 --> 45:13.400] [SPEAKER_01]: It has been described that way.
[45:13.520 --> 45:23.480] [SPEAKER_01]: It has been described that way and it's of a nature that I don't think we have seen before and it's terrifying a number of people.
[45:23.640 --> 45:24.440] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, Alex, go ahead.
[45:25.500 --> 45:29.340] [SPEAKER_13]: I tend to agree with Kyle on a lot of these points here.
[45:29.460 --> 45:32.000] [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, this is something that's not neutral.
[45:32.300 --> 45:34.740] [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, for them to say we're building tools, this is a hammer.
[45:34.880 --> 45:37.600] [SPEAKER_13]: What you do with it is totally different.
[45:37.860 --> 45:39.460] [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, let's be very clear.
[45:39.580 --> 45:56.860] [SPEAKER_13]: They're building really sophisticated tools that enable data integration and analytics and those tools are going to amplify the reach of these abhorrent policies, these policies that infringe on civil liberties, these policies that enable things like mass surveillance and profiling of American citizens,
[45:57.080 --> 46:01.380] [SPEAKER_13]: infringing our civil liberties, infringing our civil rights, invading our privacy rights.
[46:01.580 --> 46:12.120] [SPEAKER_13]: This crazy tools, not policy argument is really a little bit of sophistry, I think, to deflect any measure of ethical responsibility.
[46:12.120 --> 46:12.260] [SPEAKER_13]: responsibility.
[46:12.540 --> 46:14.600] [SPEAKER_13]: This is a totally insane argument.
[46:14.820 --> 46:23.880] [SPEAKER_13]: And there are so many issues that go along with this Palantir Trump administration expansion of these powers and the integration of this data.
[46:24.020 --> 46:40.020] [SPEAKER_13]: There are, I think, going to be a copious amount of legal challenges, hopefully coming from organizations like the ACLU and the EFF, about this type of authoritarian overreach, about violations of the Privacy Act, about violations of the E-Government Act.
[46:42.120 --> 46:52.680] [SPEAKER_13]: we don't have necessarily an overarching federal privacy legislation, we still do have the Privacy Act of 1974 that allows us to access records that the government holds about individual citizens.
[46:52.920 --> 47:06.200] [SPEAKER_13]: I think this will make it extraordinarily difficult for us to exercise those rights and I think that this practice, if it goes forward without any kind of meaningful oversight body, would arguably violate that law as well as maybe half a dozen others.
[47:06.840 --> 47:07.900] [SPEAKER_01]: Go ahead, Kyle.
[47:08.240 --> 47:13.120] [SPEAKER_12]: I just want to build on the Privacy Act comment.
[47:13.380 --> 47:21.420] [SPEAKER_12]: This should usher in a tsunami of the most enormous, massive privacy legislation this country has ever seen.
[47:21.980 --> 47:23.160] [SPEAKER_12]: I'm tired of this.
[47:23.300 --> 47:24.320] [SPEAKER_12]: We are tired of this.
[47:24.520 --> 47:28.620] [SPEAKER_12]: These companies have been allowed to do this kind of stuff.
[47:28.840 --> 47:31.400] [SPEAKER_12]: They've created surveillance capitalism.
[47:31.680 --> 47:34.780] [SPEAKER_12]: All of these things we talked about as ad nauseum.
[47:35.200 --> 47:36.540] [SPEAKER_12]: I'm tired of it.
[47:36.640 --> 47:38.420] [SPEAKER_12]: We are tired of it collectively.
[47:38.760 --> 47:48.140] [SPEAKER_12]: And we've talked about enacting privacy legislation very much like other parts of the world have.
[47:48.320 --> 47:55.960] [SPEAKER_12]: And it has not gotten over our political hurdles or the sort of social will if they get their way.
[47:56.060 --> 48:00.480] [SPEAKER_12]: And if it doesn't, I'd be really disappointed.
[48:01.120 --> 48:04.740] [SPEAKER_12]: if they get their way, it very much should.
[48:04.900 --> 48:16.740] [SPEAKER_12]: It ought to be what pushes this idea of privacy as a right and putting it to law for Americans.
[48:17.380 --> 48:18.800] [SPEAKER_12]: It should usher it in.
[48:18.880 --> 48:23.620] [SPEAKER_12]: I mean, it should be the straw that breaks the camel's back in this scenario.
[48:23.840 --> 48:26.800] [SPEAKER_01]: This is something that I don't think it's a left or right issue.
[48:26.920 --> 48:34.440] [SPEAKER_01]: I think anybody who cares about privacy and freedom would be outraged by the potential that's being unleashed here.
[48:35.340 --> 48:43.980] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, Palantir was founded back in 2013 by Alex Karp and Peter Thiel, which are names I think people might recognize.
[48:43.980 --> 48:51.500] [SPEAKER_01]: We don't have time to really go into that now, but a lot of baggage and a lot of questions are being asked about all this.
[48:52.340 --> 49:04.420] [SPEAKER_01]: But can anyone sum up in the two minutes we have just maybe something that would wake people up as to why this is more of a threat than all the other privacy intrusions that we have seen.
[49:05.180 --> 49:05.920] [SPEAKER_01]: Alex, go ahead.
[49:06.300 --> 49:08.040] [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, this is really crazy.
[49:08.040 --> 49:23.860] [SPEAKER_13]: When you have the aggregation of such sensitive data, when you have banking information, student loans, medical claims, things like disability status, data from multiple federal agencies aggregated into some single analytical platform that the administration
[49:29.120 --> 49:32.920] [SPEAKER_13]: no joke, unprecedented government surveillance capabilities.
[49:33.400 --> 49:37.980] [SPEAKER_13]: You know, things like real-time monitoring of our transactions, of our locations.
[49:38.200 --> 49:39.480] [SPEAKER_13]: Now, this is really, really crazy.
[49:39.880 --> 49:53.380] [SPEAKER_13]: This could begin to resemble something like China's social credit system where you have this authoritarian regime constantly monitoring what its citizens are doing, especially if this information is going to be shared with law enforcement, with ICE.
[49:53.380 --> 50:04.780] [SPEAKER_13]: This could erode our Fourth Amendment expectations if challenges are not brought against this type of action rather quickly and forcefully, as Kyle had, I think, rightfully suggested.
[50:05.160 --> 50:21.820] [SPEAKER_13]: And I think one of the things to also think about here, too, is a lot of loyal supporters of Trump have actually signaled their displeasure with this type of thing, because even they are concerned about a massive national database about U.S.
[50:21.880 --> 50:22.220] [SPEAKER_13]: citizens.
[50:23.000 --> 50:26.240] [SPEAKER_01]: And this is something that we have to stay on top of.
[50:26.480 --> 50:33.200] [SPEAKER_01]: We're out of time now, but we are certainly going to continue this discussion both on Overtime, which immediately follows this program, on YouTube.
[50:33.480 --> 50:39.560] [SPEAKER_01]: Go to 2600.com, look at the link at top of the page, or just go to Channel2600 on YouTube and join us there.
[50:40.040 --> 50:49.600] [SPEAKER_01]: Or keep listening to Off The Hook every Wednesday night from 7 to 8 here on WBAI, and we'll be discussing that more in the future.
[50:49.880 --> 50:51.900] [SPEAKER_12]: Let's create consequences.
[50:53.360 --> 50:54.100] [SPEAKER_01]: I like that.
[50:54.260 --> 50:54.820] [SPEAKER_01]: I like that.
[50:54.980 --> 50:55.840] [SPEAKER_01]: That's a bumper sticker.
[50:56.180 --> 50:58.240] [SPEAKER_01]: A little long, but we can make it work.
[50:58.980 --> 51:01.280] [SPEAKER_01]: All right, everyone, you're not alone.
[51:01.600 --> 51:02.220] [SPEAKER_01]: We're out there.
[51:02.460 --> 51:03.220] [SPEAKER_01]: We'll see you soon.
[51:03.360 --> 51:03.540] [SPEAKER_01]: Good night.
[51:14.060 --> 51:14.900] [SPEAKER_07]: We'll be right back.
[51:14.920 --> 51:19.620] [SPEAKER_07]: did you see the old man outside the same mission?
[51:20.840 --> 51:25.140] [SPEAKER_07]: Memories of fighting with the medals that he wears?
[51:25.940 --> 51:29.380] [SPEAKER_07]: Did you see the old man outside the
[51:39.660 --> 51:39.940] off?
[51:40.040 --> 51:41.640] [SPEAKER_07]: Love me!
[51:42.740 --> 51:45.840] [SPEAKER_07]: Don't you say to me the sun don't shine?
[51:47.380 --> 51:52.660] [SPEAKER_07]: And have you seen the old girl who walks the streets of London?
[51:53.250 --> 51:58.560] [SPEAKER_07]: She ain't got no money and she's all dressed in rags.
[51:58.860 --> 52:03.620] [SPEAKER_07]: And have you seen the old girl who walks the streets of London?
[52:04.160 --> 52:08.360] [SPEAKER_07]: She carries her old knickers into parlour
[52:11.790 --> 52:24.390] [SPEAKER_07]: and tell me you're lonely And don't you say to me your sun don't shine Well let me take you by the hands and lead
[52:35.430 --> 52:42.230] [SPEAKER_07]: you through your streets of London I'll show you something that'll make you really see
[53:26.580 --> 53:34.540] [SPEAKER_07]: Let me take you by the hands and lead you through your streets of London Well I'll show you scent
[53:40.740 --> 53:46.540] [SPEAKER_07]: and drag you through your streets of London And I'll show you something that'll
[54:07.530 --> 54:19.270] [SPEAKER_01]: make And welcome everybody to Off The Hook Overtime here on YouTube I think everything is working this week Yes, I made it.
[54:19.350 --> 54:20.010] [SPEAKER_01]: Kyle, you made it?
[54:21.410 --> 54:22.050] [SPEAKER_12]: Made what?
[54:22.350 --> 54:22.970] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay.
[54:23.190 --> 54:26.050] [SPEAKER_01]: And wow, it looks like all of you are in the same room, even though you're not.
[54:26.730 --> 54:30.270] [SPEAKER_01]: Rob, Gila, and Alex, you all made it to YouTube.
[54:30.590 --> 54:31.110] [SPEAKER_11]: We made it over.
[54:31.270 --> 54:31.590] [SPEAKER_11]: We did.
[54:31.770 --> 54:32.330] [SPEAKER_01]: We are here.
[54:32.570 --> 54:34.470] [SPEAKER_01]: And we're actually broadcasting on YouTube.
[54:35.050 --> 54:35.910] [SPEAKER_11]: We are indeed.
[54:36.210 --> 54:36.910] [SPEAKER_11]: And we sound good.
[54:37.170 --> 54:37.410] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[54:37.890 --> 54:41.490] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, a couple of things, some housekeeping here.
[54:42.830 --> 54:44.510] [SPEAKER_01]: Rebel, if you're out there, you can't call this week.
[54:44.550 --> 54:46.210] [SPEAKER_01]: And if you do call this week, there'll be further penalties.
[54:46.990 --> 54:50.150] [SPEAKER_01]: Because you double-called last week, and we told you not to do that.
[54:50.890 --> 54:51.690] [SPEAKER_01]: We quest it.
[54:51.770 --> 54:52.870] [SPEAKER_01]: We don't tell people things.
[54:53.010 --> 54:55.030] [SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, for God's sake, it's not hard.
[54:56.230 --> 54:58.930] [SPEAKER_01]: We are going to demonstrate something.
[54:59.030 --> 54:59.670] [SPEAKER_01]: We're doing a lot of work.
[54:59.770 --> 55:03.950] [SPEAKER_01]: Kyle has really busted various parts of his anatomy about fixing things.
[55:04.930 --> 55:07.250] [SPEAKER_01]: And the hum that we...
[55:07.250 --> 55:07.910] [SPEAKER_01]: Wait a minute.
[55:07.970 --> 55:08.910] [SPEAKER_01]: Why is the hum here again?
[55:10.610 --> 55:12.310] [SPEAKER_01]: It was gone before the show.
[55:12.450 --> 55:13.230] [SPEAKER_01]: We tested this.
[55:13.690 --> 55:14.610] [SPEAKER_01]: Do you hear this, Kyle?
[55:14.830 --> 55:15.750] [SPEAKER_01]: That's a loud hum.
[55:15.750 --> 55:16.950] [SPEAKER_01]: Hum that wasn't there before.
[55:19.210 --> 55:25.630] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and I wonder now if this is somebody in the phone company is just out there winding me up.
[55:26.530 --> 55:29.070] [SPEAKER_01]: We had a beautiful sounding phone line.
[55:29.190 --> 55:29.710] [SPEAKER_01]: We did.
[55:29.870 --> 55:30.610] [SPEAKER_01]: We tested this.
[55:31.030 --> 55:34.090] [SPEAKER_01]: We spent up to an hour testing this.
[55:35.950 --> 55:36.850] [SPEAKER_01]: Kyle, I'm in your hands.
[55:36.970 --> 55:37.530] [SPEAKER_01]: What do I do?
[55:37.770 --> 55:39.370] [SPEAKER_01]: Do we proceed with a hum?
[55:40.310 --> 55:41.090] [SPEAKER_01]: Shoot ourselves in the head?
[55:41.170 --> 55:42.010] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I guess we could do that.
[55:42.490 --> 55:45.430] [SPEAKER_01]: Is there maybe something to touch that would make this go away?
[55:49.350 --> 55:49.830] [SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[55:50.350 --> 55:51.510] [SPEAKER_01]: This is unbelievable.
[55:52.070 --> 55:55.950] [SPEAKER_01]: The only thing that's different is we have you guys, the signal people.
[55:56.530 --> 55:57.790] [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't think that would cause it.
[55:58.650 --> 55:58.970] [SPEAKER_01]: No.
[55:59.970 --> 56:00.890] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I don't know what to say.
[56:02.910 --> 56:05.610] [SPEAKER_01]: Guys, talk amongst yourselves while we try and figure this out.
[56:09.190 --> 56:17.150] [SPEAKER_13]: Especially if you have more people on the system now, it seems like there's some kind of something going on with the voltage.
[56:19.050 --> 56:19.550] [SPEAKER_13]: I don't know.
[56:19.670 --> 56:20.210] [SPEAKER_13]: What do you think, Rob?
[56:21.650 --> 56:27.570] [SPEAKER_11]: I am just terribly curious, but not knowing more about the particular hardware situation going on.
[56:28.990 --> 56:33.790] [SPEAKER_11]: I don't want to advance any theories that make it sound like I do.
[56:33.930 --> 56:41.970] [SPEAKER_11]: But I'm wondering if it's a level of hum that we could get away with and still conduct our phone calls and our show.
[56:42.970 --> 56:43.450] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.
[56:45.070 --> 56:47.530] [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, if that's it, it's not terrible.
[56:47.850 --> 56:48.190] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[56:48.470 --> 56:48.990] [SPEAKER_09]: It's not terrible.
[56:49.190 --> 56:59.990] [SPEAKER_09]: I do wonder if it's because there are now more of us in the pots and that is, you know, taxing the system a little bit.
[57:00.650 --> 57:09.530] [SPEAKER_09]: But since we do seem to have a moment, I would like to take this opportunity to say hello to the 24 people who are with us right now on YouTube.
[57:10.090 --> 57:13.230] [SPEAKER_09]: I would also like to just point something out.
[57:13.910 --> 57:17.950] [SPEAKER_09]: Which is that my last name is not now, nor has it ever been Monster.
[57:18.830 --> 57:19.730] [SPEAKER_09]: Just to clarify.
[57:21.350 --> 57:22.910] [SPEAKER_11]: Nor has it been Firefly.
[57:23.310 --> 57:24.830] [SPEAKER_11]: It also has never been Firefly.
[57:25.070 --> 57:25.970] [SPEAKER_11]: Somebody on the chat before the show.
[57:26.970 --> 57:27.290] [SPEAKER_09]: Yes.
[57:31.570 --> 57:35.690] [SPEAKER_09]: So, Emmanuel, we do have a suggestion that we need a caller to see if there will be a hum.
[57:36.230 --> 57:36.410] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[57:36.950 --> 57:37.590] [SPEAKER_01]: That's fine.
[57:37.590 --> 57:38.170] [SPEAKER_01]: No kidding.
[57:38.450 --> 57:39.770] [SPEAKER_12]: As long as they don't complain.
[57:40.030 --> 57:41.470] [SPEAKER_12]: If they complain, I'm out.
[57:42.850 --> 57:43.890] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's very fair.
[57:44.090 --> 57:44.950] [SPEAKER_01]: We don't like constant complaints.
[57:45.070 --> 57:47.330] [SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, we tested this.
[57:47.590 --> 57:49.090] [SPEAKER_01]: We sweated over this.
[57:50.390 --> 57:54.210] [SPEAKER_01]: We were going to do a test call of our own.
[57:54.290 --> 57:55.810] [SPEAKER_01]: Should we even try doing that, Kyle?
[57:56.330 --> 58:00.270] [SPEAKER_12]: Well, I don't understand how I'm going to answer and be on the phone in the other room.
[58:00.290 --> 58:00.970] [SPEAKER_01]: That's a good point.
[58:01.030 --> 58:01.870] [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't think of that.
[58:01.870 --> 58:05.690] [SPEAKER_12]: I mean, I could tell you what button to pick up the call, but it...
[58:05.690 --> 58:08.690] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, no, I thought I'd pick up that, but we're not using that phone again.
[58:08.830 --> 58:13.750] [SPEAKER_12]: I just wonder what part of this phantom conversation we had about this, that was cleared up.
[58:14.630 --> 58:16.270] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess the part you weren't listening to.
[58:18.070 --> 58:18.530] [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[58:18.630 --> 58:27.390] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, regardless, let's discuss any more details about the Palantir story that we wanted to get out before we ran out of time.
[58:27.710 --> 58:29.630] [SPEAKER_01]: And then we can open up the phone lines.
[58:29.630 --> 58:34.470] [SPEAKER_09]: I think my concern is general.
[58:34.850 --> 58:37.930] [SPEAKER_09]: And it's, you know, part of it is the Peter Thiel of it all.
[58:38.090 --> 58:46.570] [SPEAKER_09]: But this whole idea that so many people who got into public service as public service are being driven out in so many ways.
[58:46.570 --> 58:55.990] [SPEAKER_09]: And this whole idea that everything is commodifiable and you're seeing more people in the for-profit sphere moving into government.
[58:57.050 --> 59:01.250] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, is everything a public good or is it a commodity?
[59:01.410 --> 59:05.930] [SPEAKER_09]: And please understand, I'm by no means saying this kind of surveillance system is a public good.
[59:06.530 --> 59:14.850] [SPEAKER_09]: But are there things that exist, like, say, I don't know, the post office, that don't exist solely to make money and to create profit?
[59:16.930 --> 59:19.870] [SPEAKER_09]: And that, I think, is part of the danger here for me.
[59:20.050 --> 59:33.710] [SPEAKER_09]: Also, the fact that, you know, we've got the Palantir guys and the Clearview AI guys, and there's so much consonants in that also, that Venn diagram is not huge, worries me a bit.
[59:34.130 --> 59:43.590] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, I mean, there are definitely solid reasons why government and the direct operation of government has been decoupled from commercial interests for a long time.
[59:43.590 --> 59:53.710] [SPEAKER_11]: And we have seen the complete, I guess, devastation of the public sphere as an entity with Doge and with everything else.
[59:53.850 --> 01:00:05.690] [SPEAKER_11]: And just with the whole general turn these things have taken, and we're seeing capitalist interests directly affecting, handling, directing these movements of government.
[01:00:05.690 --> 01:00:19.690] [SPEAKER_11]: And it's not just like in the old days, which were like a few years ago now, you know, you would have companies constantly lobbying public servants to take their side in things and make things easier for them.
[01:00:19.690 --> 01:00:26.370] [SPEAKER_11]: And now they seem to have just cut out that middleman because the public sector is being slashed and burned.
[01:00:27.010 --> 01:00:32.430] [SPEAKER_11]: And the, you know, there's the old chestnut about private industry.
[01:00:33.130 --> 01:00:38.890] [SPEAKER_11]: You know, the government doesn't know what it's doing because it pays $100 for a hammer and $500 for a toilet seat.
[01:00:39.030 --> 01:00:47.370] [SPEAKER_11]: But in that equation has always been, it's been private industry charging the government $500 for a toilet seat and making sure that they could get away with doing that.
[01:00:47.370 --> 01:00:50.830] [SPEAKER_11]: And so those toilet seats are now in direct control.
[01:00:50.830 --> 01:00:53.050] [SPEAKER_11]: And that has never been good for us.
[01:00:53.190 --> 01:00:57.530] [SPEAKER_11]: The information environment out there has been controlled.
[01:00:57.670 --> 01:01:00.150] [SPEAKER_11]: So much of it has been controlled by commercial interests for so long.
[01:01:00.570 --> 01:01:06.630] [SPEAKER_11]: And seeing it seep into the government at this level is terrifying.
[01:01:07.750 --> 01:01:14.990] [SPEAKER_01]: If I break in here, Kyle's gone down the hallway to a payphone to call us and test out our phone line and see if we can hear him.
[01:01:15.150 --> 01:01:15.850] [SPEAKER_01]: Kyle, are you there?
[01:01:16.070 --> 01:01:16.470] [SPEAKER_01]: Hello?
[01:01:16.470 --> 01:01:16.590] [SPEAKER_06]: Hello?
[01:01:16.810 --> 01:01:18.230] [SPEAKER_06]: Is this Off The Hook Overtime?
[01:01:18.750 --> 01:01:19.830] [SPEAKER_01]: We don't hear you.
[01:01:20.010 --> 01:01:20.290] [SPEAKER_01]: Hello?
[01:01:20.850 --> 01:01:22.030] [SPEAKER_01]: You're very, very low.
[01:01:22.670 --> 01:01:23.050] Okay.
[01:01:24.690 --> 01:01:26.610] [SPEAKER_01]: We hear you, I think, from the hallway.
[01:01:26.950 --> 01:01:29.530] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think we hear you on the air at all.
[01:01:30.090 --> 01:01:30.510] All right.
[01:01:32.650 --> 01:01:32.970] Wow.
[01:01:33.310 --> 01:01:34.190] [SPEAKER_01]: This is unbelievable.
[01:01:35.410 --> 01:01:36.970] [SPEAKER_11]: I can slightly hear him.
[01:01:37.090 --> 01:01:38.090] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's so low.
[01:01:38.230 --> 01:01:39.230] [SPEAKER_01]: It's so incredibly low.
[01:01:39.750 --> 01:01:42.550] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like the board self-sabotaged itself.
[01:01:43.130 --> 01:01:43.610] [SPEAKER_01]: Because we...
[01:01:43.610 --> 01:01:45.750] [SPEAKER_01]: I turned it down because the hum was so loud.
[01:01:45.950 --> 01:01:47.250] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I thought you fixed the hum.
[01:01:47.250 --> 01:01:48.830] [SPEAKER_01]: You turned everything down.
[01:01:49.110 --> 01:01:52.050] [SPEAKER_01]: No, I turned the gang down on that channel.
[01:01:52.190 --> 01:01:52.410] [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[01:01:52.450 --> 01:01:53.650] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm bringing you way up now.
[01:01:53.750 --> 01:01:55.430] [SPEAKER_01]: As high up as I can physically go.
[01:01:55.490 --> 01:01:56.970] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but your spot is still not going to...
[01:01:56.970 --> 01:01:57.870] It was much higher.
[01:01:57.890 --> 01:01:59.790] [SPEAKER_01]: And the hum is very, very loud now.
[01:01:59.990 --> 01:02:00.570] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure it is.
[01:02:00.630 --> 01:02:01.370] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, this is ridiculous.
[01:02:01.710 --> 01:02:02.490] [SPEAKER_01]: This is awful.
[01:02:03.030 --> 01:02:03.870] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't hear the hum.
[01:02:04.250 --> 01:02:04.890] [SPEAKER_09]: You don't hear the hum.
[01:02:05.070 --> 01:02:05.890] [SPEAKER_09]: You do not hear the hum.
[01:02:06.550 --> 01:02:07.010] [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[01:02:07.070 --> 01:02:08.410] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, maybe the hum is just for us.
[01:02:10.070 --> 01:02:10.390] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[01:02:10.510 --> 01:02:11.830] [SPEAKER_01]: And you're listening on YouTube, right?
[01:02:12.310 --> 01:02:13.530] I mean, is this usable?
[01:02:13.730 --> 01:02:14.170] Can you...
[01:02:14.170 --> 01:02:15.110] [SPEAKER_01]: No, you're too low.
[01:02:15.290 --> 01:02:16.110] [SPEAKER_01]: You have to be louder.
[01:02:17.090 --> 01:02:17.410] Really?
[01:02:17.590 --> 01:02:18.350] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you have to be louder.
[01:02:18.530 --> 01:02:19.010] [SPEAKER_01]: This is ridiculous.
[01:02:19.010 --> 01:02:21.450] [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, we're currently listening on signal and we can't hear it.
[01:02:21.670 --> 01:02:21.810] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[01:02:23.630 --> 01:02:24.790] [SPEAKER_01]: We can hear Touch-Tones.
[01:02:24.930 --> 01:02:26.990] [SPEAKER_01]: If you want to just communicate with Touch-Tones, that's fine.
[01:02:26.990 --> 01:02:29.470] [SPEAKER_01]: But voice is going to be a problem.
[01:02:30.490 --> 01:02:30.830] [SPEAKER_12]: Okay.
[01:02:31.050 --> 01:02:34.010] [SPEAKER_12]: Well, I'll go over time to my favorite show.
[01:02:36.410 --> 01:02:43.390] [SPEAKER_01]: It's falling pretty fast for me in popularity because we invest so much in this and it keeps sabotaging us.
[01:02:44.550 --> 01:02:45.010] [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[01:02:45.070 --> 01:02:46.530] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to turn this down now.
[01:02:47.110 --> 01:02:47.510] [SPEAKER_11]: Okay.
[01:02:47.790 --> 01:02:51.990] [SPEAKER_11]: We've checked with the YouTube listeners and they can hear Kyle, but they can hear the hum.
[01:02:53.290 --> 01:02:54.710] [SPEAKER_11]: And yeah, they can hear the hum.
[01:02:54.790 --> 01:02:55.690] [SPEAKER_11]: They can barely hear Kyle.
[01:02:55.690 --> 01:02:57.970] [SPEAKER_01]: Wait, why is it you don't hear the hum and they do?
[01:02:58.050 --> 01:02:59.010] [SPEAKER_01]: You're listening to the same thing.
[01:02:59.570 --> 01:03:00.250] [SPEAKER_11]: We're not, though.
[01:03:00.410 --> 01:03:02.430] [SPEAKER_11]: We're listening to what you're sending us on signal.
[01:03:02.650 --> 01:03:04.150] [SPEAKER_11]: I asked you if you're listening to YouTube.
[01:03:05.230 --> 01:03:06.250] [SPEAKER_01]: That's what you need to listen to.
[01:03:06.390 --> 01:03:06.490] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[01:03:06.590 --> 01:03:07.390] [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, it's going to be different.
[01:03:07.570 --> 01:03:12.290] [SPEAKER_09]: Well, we can't listen to both because of the delay.
[01:03:13.450 --> 01:03:13.770] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[01:03:14.030 --> 01:03:14.730] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, there's two of you.
[01:03:14.730 --> 01:03:15.130] [SPEAKER_01]: One of you.
[01:03:15.230 --> 01:03:16.010] [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't matter.
[01:03:16.130 --> 01:03:18.310] [SPEAKER_01]: The point is we have a hum and we have low audio.
[01:03:19.210 --> 01:03:20.150] [SPEAKER_01]: This is not going to work.
[01:03:20.150 --> 01:03:27.490] [SPEAKER_01]: So, let's just talk amongst ourselves and we'll send this thing out for repairs or God knows what.
[01:03:27.670 --> 01:03:28.250] [SPEAKER_06]: How about now?
[01:03:28.430 --> 01:03:29.290] [SPEAKER_01]: How about now?
[01:03:30.170 --> 01:03:30.950] [SPEAKER_01]: What do I do?
[01:03:31.650 --> 01:03:32.510] [SPEAKER_01]: Bring the phone up?
[01:03:32.650 --> 01:03:32.830] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[01:03:33.630 --> 01:03:35.010] [SPEAKER_01]: I hear a dial tone and a hum.
[01:03:37.810 --> 01:03:38.830] [SPEAKER_12]: It's loud right now.
[01:03:39.170 --> 01:03:39.350] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[01:03:41.010 --> 01:03:41.890] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's nice.
[01:03:42.810 --> 01:03:43.250] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[01:03:44.830 --> 01:03:48.750] [SPEAKER_11]: Would it be helpful if I stepped into another room and you called my phone?
[01:03:48.970 --> 01:03:49.630] [SPEAKER_11]: Or we called.
[01:03:49.810 --> 01:03:50.230] [SPEAKER_11]: You're called.
[01:03:50.370 --> 01:03:53.370] [SPEAKER_11]: Or we call the show's line.
[01:03:53.610 --> 01:03:57.590] [SPEAKER_11]: And so Kyle can be there looking at the equipment rather than away on the phone.
[01:03:57.790 --> 01:03:57.950] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[01:03:59.130 --> 01:04:00.070] [SPEAKER_01]: That's up to Kyle.
[01:04:03.140 --> 01:04:11.380] [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, I really don't think I can really help much more on air without it just being about that.
[01:04:12.840 --> 01:04:21.760] [SPEAKER_12]: I really wish we could just speak over it for the time being because this is going to occupy more weeks and hours of my day.
[01:04:21.880 --> 01:04:23.180] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's see how bad it is.
[01:04:23.260 --> 01:04:24.760] [SPEAKER_01]: 802-321-4225.
[01:04:25.540 --> 01:04:27.920] [SPEAKER_01]: But if it's torture, we're not going to continue.
[01:04:28.860 --> 01:04:30.920] [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, I don't even want to describe what I did.
[01:04:30.920 --> 01:04:43.880] [SPEAKER_12]: I mean, we switched back to the previous hybrid we were using, and it ends up being about this technical stuff that people who aren't going to do anything will invariably tell us we're doing wrong.
[01:04:43.920 --> 01:04:45.460] [SPEAKER_12]: I don't care what you think.
[01:04:45.920 --> 01:04:46.240] [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[01:04:46.340 --> 01:04:47.080] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's not be a jerk.
[01:04:47.520 --> 01:04:49.880] [SPEAKER_01]: Look, they can't do anything.
[01:04:50.020 --> 01:04:50.420] [SPEAKER_01]: They're not here.
[01:04:50.480 --> 01:04:52.740] [SPEAKER_01]: So we can't blame people for not doing anything.
[01:04:53.620 --> 01:04:55.940] [SPEAKER_01]: Regardless, 802-321-4225.
[01:04:57.820 --> 01:05:02.520] [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, is it possible something got warm and overheated and now it's starting to hum?
[01:05:02.700 --> 01:05:03.820] [SPEAKER_01]: Because it wasn't before.
[01:05:03.820 --> 01:05:04.660] [SPEAKER_01]: I swear to God.
[01:05:04.820 --> 01:05:05.740] [SPEAKER_01]: We tested this.
[01:05:05.800 --> 01:05:06.440] [SPEAKER_01]: It sounded so great.
[01:05:06.500 --> 01:05:07.120] [SPEAKER_01]: We were so happy.
[01:05:08.220 --> 01:05:13.200] [SPEAKER_01]: And if we sound bitter and angry, it's because we feel like the board has stabbed us in the back.
[01:05:13.640 --> 01:05:14.640] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's just not fair.
[01:05:15.860 --> 01:05:16.760] [SPEAKER_11]: It is possible.
[01:05:16.980 --> 01:05:24.500] [SPEAKER_11]: Like, back in the old days, in the analog days, my house phone used to fluctuate in utility with the weather, and it was terribly annoying.
[01:05:24.700 --> 01:05:26.220] [SPEAKER_01]: Can I point out one other thing, Kyle?
[01:05:26.440 --> 01:05:29.040] [SPEAKER_01]: You apparently turned the ringer off because I didn't hear the phone ringing.
[01:05:29.500 --> 01:05:31.540] [SPEAKER_01]: And you don't hear the phone ringing now if it is ringing.
[01:05:32.520 --> 01:05:34.000] [SPEAKER_01]: So that's an important point.
[01:05:36.720 --> 01:05:37.100] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[01:05:37.320 --> 01:05:38.000] [SPEAKER_01]: Is the phone ringing?
[01:05:38.360 --> 01:05:38.700] [SPEAKER_01]: Cool.
[01:05:39.100 --> 01:05:39.760] [SPEAKER_01]: Is the phone ringing?
[01:05:39.960 --> 01:05:40.700] [SPEAKER_01]: Do we have a call?
[01:05:41.120 --> 01:05:41.720] [SPEAKER_12]: I don't know.
[01:05:41.720 --> 01:05:45.600] [SPEAKER_12]: I bypassed certain things, but yeah, the ringer is back on, I guess.
[01:05:46.040 --> 01:05:52.580] [SPEAKER_01]: So if somebody calls up 802-321-4225, we will hear the ringer and pick it up and see just how bad this is.
[01:05:53.460 --> 01:05:58.120] [SPEAKER_01]: I think people are tuning in just to see what goes wrong each week at this point.
[01:05:58.440 --> 01:05:58.560] [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah.
[01:05:58.700 --> 01:06:00.580] [SPEAKER_12]: Build a radio station in your spare time.
[01:06:01.420 --> 01:06:01.880] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[01:06:01.900 --> 01:06:03.760] [SPEAKER_01]: Kyle has had a long day.
[01:06:04.020 --> 01:06:05.560] [SPEAKER_01]: And I understand.
[01:06:05.840 --> 01:06:06.040] [SPEAKER_01]: I do.
[01:06:07.120 --> 01:06:07.380] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[01:06:09.300 --> 01:06:19.340] [SPEAKER_11]: The efforts of everyone in front of, behind the scenes and our listenership are appreciated in helping us get through this.
[01:06:19.740 --> 01:06:21.080] [SPEAKER_11]: So yeah, if you're out there, give us a call.
[01:06:21.180 --> 01:06:25.240] [SPEAKER_11]: 802-321-4225 and help us figure this stuff out.
[01:06:25.420 --> 01:06:28.400] [SPEAKER_01]: I hate to argue with you, Rob, but don't do that now because somebody called us.
[01:06:28.980 --> 01:06:29.540] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, great.
[01:06:29.640 --> 01:06:30.140] [SPEAKER_01]: You won't get through.
[01:06:30.240 --> 01:06:30.540] [SPEAKER_01]: Good evening.
[01:06:30.660 --> 01:06:32.060] [SPEAKER_01]: You're on Off The Hook Overtime.
[01:06:33.220 --> 01:06:33.500] [SPEAKER_10]: Hey.
[01:06:33.700 --> 01:06:33.940] [SPEAKER_10]: Good evening.
[01:06:34.580 --> 01:06:34.960] [SPEAKER_01]: Hi.
[01:06:35.420 --> 01:06:37.060] [SPEAKER_01]: Speak as loud as you're comfortable speaking.
[01:06:38.000 --> 01:06:38.480] [SPEAKER_10]: Okay.
[01:06:38.820 --> 01:06:39.660] [SPEAKER_10]: Can you hear me okay?
[01:06:40.140 --> 01:06:40.760] [SPEAKER_01]: Not really.
[01:06:40.940 --> 01:06:42.220] [SPEAKER_01]: Can anybody hear this person?
[01:06:42.660 --> 01:06:43.140] [SPEAKER_01]: No?
[01:06:43.460 --> 01:06:43.880] [SPEAKER_01]: Nobody?
[01:06:45.680 --> 01:06:46.160] [SPEAKER_01]: No.
[01:06:47.460 --> 01:06:47.940] Okay.
[01:06:48.980 --> 01:06:51.040] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I can hear you, but it's very...
[01:06:51.040 --> 01:06:52.160] [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think anybody else can.
[01:06:52.360 --> 01:06:53.940] [SPEAKER_01]: So we can have a private conversation.
[01:06:55.080 --> 01:06:55.560] [SPEAKER_10]: Okay.
[01:06:56.560 --> 01:07:08.180] [SPEAKER_10]: I was just going to ask if you have any books to recommend along the lines of Cory Doctora, so in response to companies like Palantir committing and supporting what I think are highly unethical activities.
[01:07:08.680 --> 01:07:17.080] [SPEAKER_01]: Any books to recommend in the order of Cory Doctora type books for companies like Palantir who are doing horribly wrong things?
[01:07:17.600 --> 01:07:20.340] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'll leave that to our signal group.
[01:07:23.600 --> 01:07:25.800] [SPEAKER_12]: Mindf*ck by Chris Wiley is pretty good.
[01:07:26.540 --> 01:07:31.140] [SPEAKER_12]: He was one of the Cambridge Analytica whistleblowers, like, worked for them.
[01:07:31.520 --> 01:07:44.980] [SPEAKER_12]: It's along the lines of that because Cambridge Analytica was using this API that Facebook allowed to scrape up stuff and influence politics in many other countries.
[01:07:45.480 --> 01:07:55.000] [SPEAKER_12]: And then their, like, experience in those countries was then applied to elections here in our own.
[01:07:55.220 --> 01:07:56.940] [SPEAKER_12]: And it kind of...
[01:07:56.940 --> 01:08:06.540] [SPEAKER_12]: It totally blurred the line between sort of campaign techniques and sort of rigging the system.
[01:08:06.540 --> 01:08:08.160] [SPEAKER_12]: So, yeah, Mindf*ck's pretty good.
[01:08:08.340 --> 01:08:15.400] [SPEAKER_12]: But I don't know a whole lot that would be in the realm of Cory Doctora.
[01:08:15.400 --> 01:08:23.860] [SPEAKER_12]: I know he's written extensively about some of this stuff, and there are many other fantastic authors out there also covering these kinds of things.
[01:08:23.860 --> 01:08:39.380] [SPEAKER_12]: And there was, let's see, some of the, I think Daily Show had a woman on there that talked about a lot of this early on.
[01:08:39.580 --> 01:08:43.720] [SPEAKER_12]: I can't remember her name, but I know the book was How to Survive the Broligarchy.
[01:08:44.020 --> 01:08:45.640] [SPEAKER_12]: And that segment's really good.
[01:08:45.640 --> 01:08:50.300] [SPEAKER_12]: If you didn't watch the Daily Show earlier this week, her interview is really good.
[01:08:50.300 --> 01:08:59.960] [SPEAKER_12]: And she was very early on writing about kind of a lot of this stuff on the horizon.
[01:09:00.160 --> 01:09:02.220] [SPEAKER_12]: I don't, I can't paraphrase it that well.
[01:09:02.220 --> 01:09:03.140] [SPEAKER_01]: I just looked up her name.
[01:09:03.260 --> 01:09:12.860] [SPEAKER_01]: Her name is Carol Cad, I don't know how to say this, Cadwalader, spelled C-A-D-W-A-L-L-A-D-R.
[01:09:12.940 --> 01:09:13.420] [SPEAKER_01]: You do better.
[01:09:14.160 --> 01:09:18.740] [SPEAKER_01]: And she wrote a book called Broligarch's AI in a Techno-Authoritarian Surveillance State.
[01:09:18.900 --> 01:09:20.800] [SPEAKER_01]: And yes, she was on the Daily Show on Monday.
[01:09:21.000 --> 01:09:22.380] [SPEAKER_01]: So I think that's on YouTube.
[01:09:22.380 --> 01:09:23.680] [SPEAKER_01]: You can just watch the whole thing.
[01:09:23.840 --> 01:09:29.060] [SPEAKER_12]: And the title I said was probably the second book that she's written, sort of following up with all of that.
[01:09:30.920 --> 01:09:37.820] [SPEAKER_12]: But beyond that, there are many different subjects that intersect with this.
[01:09:37.820 --> 01:09:58.500] [SPEAKER_12]: And it's really come to a head because the affordability and the prevalence of all of this data has made it really tempting for these people to build on the kinds of surveillance capitalism that would have, like, sold you socks if you need socks right now or whatever to now,
[01:09:58.800 --> 01:10:07.660] [SPEAKER_12]: like, harnessing it and selling it to governments to do their authoritarian bidding.
[01:10:07.820 --> 01:10:10.920] [SPEAKER_12]: And I don't think it's fair.
[01:10:11.240 --> 01:10:17.020] [SPEAKER_12]: We were tired of it when we were being sold socks when we needed socks because, like, that should be up to us.
[01:10:17.100 --> 01:10:24.420] [SPEAKER_12]: And we see enough ads and targeted ads, you know, may be helpful, but it's also annoying and creepy to some people.
[01:10:24.660 --> 01:10:28.460] [SPEAKER_12]: And I'll just say this while I'm talking.
[01:10:28.460 --> 01:10:32.660] [SPEAKER_12]: I just... I want people in relative comfort.
[01:10:32.680 --> 01:10:36.740] [SPEAKER_12]: I'm talking about C-suite, millionaires and billionaires.
[01:10:36.740 --> 01:10:41.120] [SPEAKER_12]: If this is going to be class warfare, like, okay, let's make it warfare.
[01:10:41.320 --> 01:10:45.000] [SPEAKER_12]: Like, this stuff should be wielded right back at these people.
[01:10:45.260 --> 01:10:46.720] [SPEAKER_12]: I want to know where Peter Thiel is.
[01:10:46.800 --> 01:10:48.460] [SPEAKER_12]: I want to know where his yacht is right now.
[01:10:48.840 --> 01:10:50.900] [SPEAKER_12]: You know, I want to know where Karp is.
[01:10:50.980 --> 01:10:51.440] [SPEAKER_12]: I can find out.
[01:10:51.560 --> 01:10:51.980] [SPEAKER_12]: You want me to do that?
[01:10:52.040 --> 01:10:57.860] [SPEAKER_12]: All these CEOs are at every instant just as much as they want to know where we are and selling it to people.
[01:10:58.020 --> 01:10:59.040] [SPEAKER_12]: I'll do it for free.
[01:10:59.180 --> 01:11:00.060] [SPEAKER_01]: I've got time on the satellite.
[01:11:00.060 --> 01:11:01.020] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll get on it right now.
[01:11:01.020 --> 01:11:02.280] [SPEAKER_12]: But, you know what I'm saying?
[01:11:02.420 --> 01:11:03.680] [SPEAKER_12]: So, anyway, please read.
[01:11:03.860 --> 01:11:06.240] [SPEAKER_12]: Please share what you do find if you find titles.
[01:11:06.480 --> 01:11:08.440] [SPEAKER_12]: oth@2600.com.
[01:11:08.640 --> 01:11:13.240] [SPEAKER_12]: If you find some good titles, please share that with us so we can spread that.
[01:11:13.320 --> 01:11:13.440] [SPEAKER_01]: Hang on, Rob.
[01:11:13.600 --> 01:11:13.860] [SPEAKER_01]: Go ahead.
[01:11:14.640 --> 01:11:15.040] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.
[01:11:15.260 --> 01:11:18.640] [SPEAKER_11]: Just in the realm of dystopian fiction, there is so much out there.
[01:11:18.980 --> 01:11:21.600] [SPEAKER_11]: Dr. O is one of the main ones that I recommend to people.
[01:11:21.600 --> 01:11:28.160] [SPEAKER_11]: But also, you know, it's even a bit cliched to recommend folks like William Gibson or Philip K.
[01:11:28.280 --> 01:11:30.900] [SPEAKER_11]: Dick because they're just so foundational to the genre.
[01:11:30.900 --> 01:11:42.200] [SPEAKER_11]: But also, they're written by very, very intelligent people who are technically literate and who see things coming and can speculate about the worst of these things.
[01:11:42.200 --> 01:11:49.200] [SPEAKER_11]: The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood, even, you know, Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson.
[01:11:49.980 --> 01:11:53.580] [SPEAKER_11]: Go back to the 19th century and you can read The Machine Stops by E.M.
[01:11:53.680 --> 01:11:54.000] [SPEAKER_11]: Forster.
[01:11:54.360 --> 01:12:10.000] [SPEAKER_11]: And just all these ways in which the surveillance environment, the technical environment can be pushed to extremes that are horrifying and yet not so sci-fi unrealistic as maybe they once were.
[01:12:10.660 --> 01:12:11.980] [SPEAKER_01]: I hope that helped.
[01:12:13.100 --> 01:12:14.180] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, thank you so much.
[01:12:14.360 --> 01:12:14.580] [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[01:12:14.660 --> 01:12:15.840] [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for your call.
[01:12:16.380 --> 01:12:20.480] [SPEAKER_01]: It's good hearing your voice all in the distance and we appreciate that.
[01:12:20.800 --> 01:12:21.780] [SPEAKER_12]: Thank you for the appreciation.
[01:12:21.780 --> 01:12:22.020] [SPEAKER_12]: I'm sorry.
[01:12:22.680 --> 01:12:24.120] [SPEAKER_12]: Thank you very much for the appreciation.
[01:12:24.180 --> 01:12:25.400] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, we appreciate that.
[01:12:26.380 --> 01:12:27.460] [SPEAKER_01]: Kyle, I had a thought.
[01:12:27.560 --> 01:12:33.780] [SPEAKER_01]: What if we turn something off that's on and maybe when it turns on, it's... I don't know.
[01:12:33.920 --> 01:12:35.360] [SPEAKER_12]: Okay, let me go down to the circuit breaker.
[01:12:35.400 --> 01:12:39.560] [SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't... I mean this doohickey here, you know, whatever that is.
[01:12:40.640 --> 01:12:41.740] [SPEAKER_12]: This is out of the loop.
[01:12:41.740 --> 01:12:43.400] [SPEAKER_12]: This is the old hybrid.
[01:12:43.640 --> 01:12:44.800] [SPEAKER_12]: This is the battery-powered one.
[01:12:44.980 --> 01:12:45.120] [SPEAKER_12]: Okay.
[01:12:46.520 --> 01:12:50.180] [SPEAKER_12]: I could fumble around and try to switch back to that, but I got to move phones.
[01:12:50.300 --> 01:12:51.060] [SPEAKER_12]: I got to do a couple things.
[01:12:51.340 --> 01:12:53.320] [SPEAKER_01]: Did we have the hum with that one?
[01:12:53.420 --> 01:12:55.060] [SPEAKER_01]: We had somewhat of a hum with that one.
[01:12:55.740 --> 01:12:57.120] [SPEAKER_12]: I'll switch back to that one.
[01:12:57.160 --> 01:12:59.420] [SPEAKER_01]: Switch back to that one and see if the hum is any better.
[01:13:00.420 --> 01:13:01.060] [SPEAKER_01]: And then...
[01:13:01.060 --> 01:13:01.500] [SPEAKER_01]: Give me a sec.
[01:13:01.540 --> 01:13:04.400] [SPEAKER_01]: If it's not, then we can switch back to the other one, which has been turned off.
[01:13:04.600 --> 01:13:05.200] [SPEAKER_01]: Isn't this fun?
[01:13:05.280 --> 01:13:05.820] [SPEAKER_01]: It's fun.
[01:13:05.960 --> 01:13:06.580] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm having fun.
[01:13:06.580 --> 01:13:07.700] [SPEAKER_01]: This is our live.
[01:13:07.860 --> 01:13:08.240] [SPEAKER_01]: Really fun.
[01:13:08.340 --> 01:13:09.100] [SPEAKER_01]: This is what we do.
[01:13:09.240 --> 01:13:09.720] [SPEAKER_01]: Super fun.
[01:13:09.860 --> 01:13:10.000] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh.
[01:13:10.340 --> 01:13:10.480] [SPEAKER_09]: Yes.
[01:13:10.660 --> 01:13:10.800] [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
[01:13:11.100 --> 01:13:17.800] [SPEAKER_09]: I've got something we could talk about if we need to talk about something else while we're not talking about the phone.
[01:13:18.060 --> 01:13:18.220] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[01:13:18.240 --> 01:13:21.340] [SPEAKER_01]: And people, please don't call while we're doing this because it won't go anywhere.
[01:13:21.340 --> 01:13:24.760] [SPEAKER_09]: Because, actually, I'm sort of mad.
[01:13:25.900 --> 01:13:27.800] [SPEAKER_09]: I just got an email.
[01:13:29.620 --> 01:13:31.580] [SPEAKER_09]: Welcome to Hulu Perks.
[01:13:32.340 --> 01:13:33.120] [SPEAKER_11]: Say what now?
[01:13:33.120 --> 01:13:34.060] [SPEAKER_11]: What the hell is Hulu Perks?
[01:13:35.360 --> 01:13:37.460] [SPEAKER_09]: Welcome to Hulu Perks.
[01:13:37.600 --> 01:13:38.820] [SPEAKER_09]: Are you saying Perks or Parks?
[01:13:39.700 --> 01:13:40.400] [SPEAKER_09]: Perks.
[01:13:40.600 --> 01:13:42.180] [SPEAKER_09]: Our new rewards program.
[01:13:42.400 --> 01:13:43.240] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, lucky you.
[01:13:44.900 --> 01:13:49.400] [SPEAKER_09]: What in the hell is a...
[01:13:50.220 --> 01:13:51.600] [SPEAKER_09]: And we've discussed this.
[01:13:51.880 --> 01:13:58.440] [SPEAKER_09]: I live for a rewards program in ways that probably make me a very significant security risk.
[01:13:58.660 --> 01:14:04.120] [SPEAKER_09]: I hand over my personal information all the time if it'll get me a free cup of coffee.
[01:14:05.300 --> 01:14:05.820] [SPEAKER_01]: Why?
[01:14:06.800 --> 01:14:07.320] And...
[01:14:07.320 --> 01:14:08.880] [SPEAKER_01]: Why your information?
[01:14:10.760 --> 01:14:11.840] [SPEAKER_01]: Free cup of coffee.
[01:14:12.000 --> 01:14:13.520] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but you can say anything to them.
[01:14:13.640 --> 01:14:14.960] [SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to give your real info.
[01:14:15.560 --> 01:14:16.480] [SPEAKER_09]: No, I understand that.
[01:14:16.480 --> 01:14:32.980] [SPEAKER_09]: But I'm saying, like, if I get, you know, if it's by 12 cups of Dunkin' Donuts coffee or 12 purchases of Dunkin' Donuts over the course of a month and I get double points going forward, yes, I will make 12 purchases of Dunkin' Donuts over the course of a month.
[01:14:33.060 --> 01:14:35.360] [SPEAKER_09]: And I carry it on my phone and it's on the app.
[01:14:35.360 --> 01:14:41.260] [SPEAKER_09]: And I gave them my birthday because I get free stuff for my birthday.
[01:14:42.020 --> 01:14:51.680] [SPEAKER_09]: And I recognize I am actively signing up for participation in the surveillance state because I get free stuff and I like it that they know my name.
[01:14:54.790 --> 01:14:55.190] And...
[01:14:55.610 --> 01:14:56.850] [SPEAKER_11]: Okay, so what have we got here?
[01:14:56.970 --> 01:14:57.670] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know.
[01:14:57.670 --> 01:14:58.390] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm just...
[01:14:58.390 --> 01:14:59.850] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm thrown by this.
[01:15:01.910 --> 01:15:02.450] Um...
[01:15:03.870 --> 01:15:04.410] [SPEAKER_09]: And...
[01:15:04.410 --> 01:15:04.870] [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
[01:15:05.170 --> 01:15:06.470] [SPEAKER_09]: See all perks.
[01:15:07.090 --> 01:15:08.090] [SPEAKER_09]: And how?
[01:15:08.230 --> 01:15:11.030] [SPEAKER_09]: Are they going to time out how long we're on the app?
[01:15:11.430 --> 01:15:11.970] [SPEAKER_09]: Like...
[01:15:13.130 --> 01:15:14.850] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't want to go to Lollapalooza.
[01:15:15.290 --> 01:15:16.810] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't want to go to Comic-Con.
[01:15:17.470 --> 01:15:19.590] [SPEAKER_09]: I certainly don't want Microsoft rewards.
[01:15:20.730 --> 01:15:21.970] [SPEAKER_11]: Okay, so these are...
[01:15:21.970 --> 01:15:23.870] [SPEAKER_11]: These are things they're throwing you...
[01:15:23.870 --> 01:15:27.070] [SPEAKER_11]: Is this because I just mentioned The Handmaid's Tale on the radio?
[01:15:27.070 --> 01:15:28.510] [SPEAKER_09]: Stranger Things Have Happened.
[01:15:28.710 --> 01:15:32.630] [SPEAKER_09]: An exclusive Hulu perk from Rare Beauty inspired by only murders in the building.
[01:15:33.470 --> 01:15:36.980] [SPEAKER_09]: What the f*ck is this?
[01:15:38.940 --> 01:15:40.760] [SPEAKER_09]: I do not understand.
[01:15:42.580 --> 01:15:43.100] [SPEAKER_09]: Sorry.
[01:15:43.740 --> 01:15:44.580] [SPEAKER_09]: Am I going to...
[01:15:45.000 --> 01:15:45.160] [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
[01:15:46.380 --> 01:15:47.520] [SPEAKER_11]: Alright, um...
[01:15:47.520 --> 01:15:50.520] [SPEAKER_11]: Here's something else that will, uh, that will tweak neurons.
[01:15:51.640 --> 01:15:52.160] [SPEAKER_11]: Um...
[01:15:52.860 --> 01:15:54.160] [SPEAKER_11]: We have been...
[01:15:54.160 --> 01:15:55.080] [SPEAKER_11]: We have had it suggested.
[01:15:55.740 --> 01:15:56.800] [SPEAKER_11]: Uh, we have...
[01:15:56.800 --> 01:15:58.540] [SPEAKER_11]: We have been challenged by someone in the...
[01:15:58.540 --> 01:15:59.040] [SPEAKER_11]: YouTube chat.
[01:15:59.900 --> 01:16:05.640] [SPEAKER_11]: And this challenge is something that we get a lot of on this program and, uh, always have.
[01:16:06.200 --> 01:16:07.960] [SPEAKER_11]: And, uh, this is, uh...
[01:16:07.960 --> 01:16:13.520] [SPEAKER_11]: Tom says, I challenge OTH in Overtime to talk about hacking and not politics for one week.
[01:16:13.680 --> 01:16:18.340] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I challenge you to tell us what about the show that we just did is not about hacking.
[01:16:19.940 --> 01:16:20.460] [SPEAKER_01]: Seriously.
[01:16:20.800 --> 01:16:21.680] [SPEAKER_01]: Do you agree, Rob?
[01:16:22.480 --> 01:16:24.400] [SPEAKER_11]: No, I, I, I fully...
[01:16:24.400 --> 01:16:25.720] [SPEAKER_11]: I, I agree with you.
[01:16:25.860 --> 01:16:29.000] [SPEAKER_01]: We, we, we, we talked about, about someone's phone getting hacked.
[01:16:29.260 --> 01:16:33.720] [SPEAKER_01]: We, we, we talked about ways to, to, uh, get yourself into court hearings.
[01:16:34.000 --> 01:16:37.060] [SPEAKER_01]: We talked about, about surveillance technology.
[01:16:37.380 --> 01:16:43.800] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm sorry if it doesn't align with your political views or if you're uncomfortable that we're talking about things that, that are unpleasant.
[01:16:43.800 --> 01:16:44.980] [SPEAKER_01]: But that's reality.
[01:16:45.420 --> 01:16:48.820] [SPEAKER_01]: Everything we do has a link to the hacker community.
[01:16:48.820 --> 01:16:50.200] [SPEAKER_01]: And we make that link.
[01:16:50.600 --> 01:17:00.260] [SPEAKER_01]: So, please, you know, we're not going to just pretend everything's all fine and, uh, and, and just talk about the things that, that interest our demographic.
[01:17:00.520 --> 01:17:02.520] [SPEAKER_01]: That's, that's never what we've done.
[01:17:02.720 --> 01:17:04.880] [SPEAKER_01]: Go back to the very beginning of off the hook.
[01:17:05.020 --> 01:17:08.440] [SPEAKER_01]: And, and we have always paid attention to what's going on in the outside world.
[01:17:08.680 --> 01:17:10.500] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, again, you might not agree and that's fine.
[01:17:10.500 --> 01:17:11.820] [SPEAKER_01]: And you're welcome to not agree.
[01:17:11.820 --> 01:17:13.220] [SPEAKER_01]: You're welcome to have a voice as well.
[01:17:13.640 --> 01:17:14.960] [SPEAKER_01]: That's, that's, that's dialogue.
[01:17:15.200 --> 01:17:17.560] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's something we need to, uh, have a bit more of in this place.
[01:17:18.480 --> 01:17:24.580] [SPEAKER_11]: This is something that we've gotten, not just on the show, but, uh, 2600 magazine, the hope conference, um, all of it.
[01:17:24.740 --> 01:17:41.780] [SPEAKER_11]: It's like, um, there will always be someone saying it's too political, but I, it was, it has always been a fundamental aspect of myself as a hacker, um, a fundamental aspect of my hacker worldview that notices the things that are wrong in the sphere.
[01:17:42.380 --> 01:17:54.560] [SPEAKER_11]: And how we can use hacker, um, thinking to try and better it, to try and solve it, because as a hacker, I look at the stuff around me and I want to see if I can fix the bits that are broken.
[01:17:55.020 --> 01:17:59.520] [SPEAKER_11]: And the political sphere is a very big broken bit in all of our lives.
[01:17:59.880 --> 01:18:11.020] [SPEAKER_11]: And, uh, I don't think it behooves any of us to try and put our heads in the sand and ignore what's going on and, uh, just limit the hacker discussions to like, I want to make my computer run games faster or something.
[01:18:11.560 --> 01:18:13.140] [SPEAKER_01]: So, sorry, go ahead.
[01:18:13.220 --> 01:18:17.680] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I just wanted to say, you know, uh, I, I don't want to give the wrong impression.
[01:18:17.840 --> 01:18:19.300] [SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate this conversation.
[01:18:19.440 --> 01:18:20.220] [SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate the question.
[01:18:20.420 --> 01:18:25.680] [SPEAKER_01]: We're having an interesting conversation, but this is a political conversation too, that you brought on.
[01:18:25.780 --> 01:18:31.600] [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, it's, it's, it's what is happening and you can't ever ignore what's happening around you.
[01:18:31.900 --> 01:18:35.340] [SPEAKER_01]: It's important to discuss it, to acknowledge it, to make it better.
[01:18:35.860 --> 01:18:38.380] [SPEAKER_01]: And, and you can be a part of that by challenging us.
[01:18:38.480 --> 01:18:39.300] [SPEAKER_01]: We do appreciate that.
[01:18:39.380 --> 01:18:39.660] [SPEAKER_01]: Alex.
[01:18:40.740 --> 01:18:44.020] [SPEAKER_13]: You know, I'm, I've always liked to take the contrary view here.
[01:18:44.160 --> 01:18:49.200] [SPEAKER_13]: And I, I think there's some validity to what our listener in the YouTube channel had stated.
[01:18:49.220 --> 01:18:49.520] [SPEAKER_13]: I do.
[01:18:49.620 --> 01:18:56.040] [SPEAKER_13]: I think we do tend to, to maybe talk about politics as such a little bit too much.
[01:18:56.040 --> 01:18:57.040] [SPEAKER_13]: I can understand that.
[01:18:57.080 --> 01:18:58.080] [SPEAKER_13]: I think it's a valid criticism.
[01:18:58.080 --> 01:19:06.440] [SPEAKER_13]: I do agree on the other hand, that technology and politics and societal ramifications of technology are inextricably linked at this point.
[01:19:06.700 --> 01:19:11.040] [SPEAKER_13]: It's very, very difficult to, to separate the two, but I, but I think there's some validity there.
[01:19:11.340 --> 01:19:15.720] [SPEAKER_13]: You know, what if, what if instead, what if we had some kind of compromise accommodation here?
[01:19:16.520 --> 01:19:18.580] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't like the way this sounds, but go ahead.
[01:19:20.780 --> 01:19:21.200] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[01:19:21.580 --> 01:19:25.280] [SPEAKER_13]: What if instead of saying Trump, we just called him the B-O-F-H?
[01:19:25.480 --> 01:19:27.280] [SPEAKER_01]: First of all, I think I said Trump once.
[01:19:27.280 --> 01:19:28.140] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[01:19:28.240 --> 01:19:28.800] [SPEAKER_01]: In the last hour.
[01:19:28.980 --> 01:19:30.380] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't like saying that.
[01:19:30.540 --> 01:19:31.320] [SPEAKER_01]: I really don't.
[01:19:31.800 --> 01:19:33.820] [SPEAKER_13]: We'll, we'll, we'll just call him the B-O-F-H.
[01:19:34.880 --> 01:19:36.320] [SPEAKER_13]: And wouldn't it be amazing?
[01:19:36.460 --> 01:19:42.120] [SPEAKER_13]: I know it would be a great article if somebody compared Trump to the bastard operator from hell.
[01:19:42.440 --> 01:19:42.980] [SPEAKER_13]: Don't you think?
[01:19:43.480 --> 01:19:43.880] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[01:19:44.140 --> 01:19:44.300] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[01:19:44.480 --> 01:19:44.680] [SPEAKER_01]: Alex.
[01:19:45.040 --> 01:19:47.020] [SPEAKER_01]: We'll just have to wait to see if somebody does that.
[01:19:47.360 --> 01:19:47.780] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[01:19:47.880 --> 01:19:48.640] [SPEAKER_13]: It'd be very interesting.
[01:19:48.700 --> 01:19:49.160] [SPEAKER_13]: Go ahead, Gila.
[01:19:49.400 --> 01:19:50.380] [SPEAKER_13]: Like that comes out.
[01:19:50.600 --> 01:19:52.340] [SPEAKER_09]: No, I was wondering what that stood for.
[01:19:52.340 --> 01:20:20.860] [SPEAKER_09]: But, um, so what's, people are obviously responding to this in the chat and Tom, who kicked this whole thing off, said, and I quote, OTH doesn't need to be another mainstream media spiel, which kind of blows my mind a little bit because I don't, I don't know if that's like an insult or a huge compliment that,
[01:20:21.020 --> 01:20:23.600] [SPEAKER_11]: uh, that he thinks we're mainstream media at this point.
[01:20:24.120 --> 01:20:24.660] [SPEAKER_11]: Right.
[01:20:25.600 --> 01:20:38.900] [SPEAKER_09]: But yeah, I, I think it's very hard to see anything right now as not tied up in the political moment in which we live.
[01:20:38.900 --> 01:20:47.000] [SPEAKER_09]: Um, someone responded and said, it's been a while, but I sometimes go back and listen to some of the very old shows, such less dark times than now.
[01:20:47.320 --> 01:20:57.000] [SPEAKER_09]: I, I don't know how to discuss anything that's going on right now without it becoming a political situation.
[01:20:57.440 --> 01:21:00.640] [SPEAKER_09]: I would love not to have to talk about that man all the time.
[01:21:01.360 --> 01:21:02.500] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know how.
[01:21:02.500 --> 01:21:08.040] [SPEAKER_12]: Well, I, I really implore people, um, study the history of hacking.
[01:21:08.420 --> 01:21:11.500] [SPEAKER_12]: It is inherently a political act.
[01:21:11.520 --> 01:21:16.160] [SPEAKER_12]: You can maybe argue that you can debate it, but it's kind of true.
[01:21:16.480 --> 01:21:36.740] [SPEAKER_12]: It's, it's a fact at the outset, the way the, uh, the, uh, using things in ways they were not intended to be used was itself counter to what was sort of done or, uh, whether you're talking about the phone system or whether you're trying to work around a particular product's design,
[01:21:36.740 --> 01:21:41.280] [SPEAKER_12]: it's inherently counter to what you're supposed to be doing.
[01:21:41.280 --> 01:21:46.600] [SPEAKER_12]: And I guess the only compromise I'm going to make is stop telling us what to do.
[01:21:46.780 --> 01:21:49.960] [SPEAKER_12]: Why don't you suggest something that you'd like to hear about?
[01:21:49.960 --> 01:21:52.640] [SPEAKER_12]: We can maybe find some stories about it.
[01:21:52.720 --> 01:21:55.140] [SPEAKER_12]: We can submit a story that you think is interesting.
[01:21:55.140 --> 01:22:01.000] [SPEAKER_12]: That's so apolitical and bland, whatever, you know, that fits your comfort zone.
[01:22:01.140 --> 01:22:05.500] [SPEAKER_12]: We're not here to come to be like this comfortable thing for everybody.
[01:22:05.500 --> 01:22:07.940] [SPEAKER_12]: You, you got to understand how insane that is.
[01:22:07.940 --> 01:22:16.840] [SPEAKER_12]: Like we would never talk about anything if everything we talked about had to be just, you know, tailored to your, your, uh, sensitivities.
[01:22:17.120 --> 01:22:20.080] [SPEAKER_12]: But what do you mean then by hacking?
[01:22:20.360 --> 01:22:22.100] [SPEAKER_12]: What, what is hacking to you?
[01:22:22.200 --> 01:22:26.040] [SPEAKER_12]: Like these all become very philosophical, very quickly.
[01:22:26.260 --> 01:22:29.700] [SPEAKER_12]: Hacking is, is something different to, to different people.
[01:22:29.780 --> 01:22:31.380] [SPEAKER_12]: You could argue that for an hour.
[01:22:31.720 --> 01:22:36.360] [SPEAKER_12]: So yeah, I, I, I hear, I hear the point.
[01:22:36.360 --> 01:22:48.560] [SPEAKER_12]: I, I hear, oh yeah, you're, you're having trouble with, with how, uh, technologies and computers and telephones are bleeding into social, social and political issues.
[01:22:49.180 --> 01:22:50.700] [SPEAKER_12]: That's not our fault.
[01:22:51.340 --> 01:22:53.340] [SPEAKER_12]: That's how it is occurring.
[01:22:53.340 --> 01:22:55.620] [SPEAKER_12]: So you can be mad at the occurring.
[01:22:55.720 --> 01:23:01.360] [SPEAKER_12]: You can be, you know, upset that what you're hearing isn't what you want to hear.
[01:23:01.360 --> 01:23:13.000] [SPEAKER_12]: Uh, but by all means, there's plenty of, if, if, if you mean like software development or like hardware design, like, I think you're thinking about other shows.
[01:23:13.160 --> 01:23:21.140] [SPEAKER_12]: I don't want to turn you away, but I think you should be very like clear eyed about why you're here.
[01:23:21.680 --> 01:23:24.640] [SPEAKER_12]: Uh, you're not going to agree with everything we say.
[01:23:24.800 --> 01:23:27.280] [SPEAKER_12]: And we're certainly not agreeing with everything you say.
[01:23:27.280 --> 01:23:30.740] [SPEAKER_12]: Well, I mean, look at everything, just something, if you can do better, let's hear it.
[01:23:30.860 --> 01:23:31.300] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, okay.
[01:23:31.520 --> 01:23:44.260] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, you know, the things we get involved with, um, whether it's magazine, whether it's the show, whether it's the conferences, they all have political bends to them and, uh, not all in agreement.
[01:23:44.760 --> 01:23:52.900] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's kind of where we've been coming from since we began 84 is when the magazine began 94 is when the conference began and the show began 88.
[01:23:53.180 --> 01:23:56.640] [SPEAKER_01]: So we've been at this for a while and it's kind of our thing.
[01:23:56.820 --> 01:24:06.020] [SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of how we, um, uh, we, we, um, tackle the world, but we're always open to hearing other perspectives and other, other ideas, ways of doing things.
[01:24:06.160 --> 01:24:14.560] [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, we, we, we listen, but, um, I don't think we can be expected to simply not pay attention to the things that are important to us.
[01:24:14.680 --> 01:24:17.660] [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I, I, I hold the show we just did as an example to that.
[01:24:18.040 --> 01:24:29.700] [SPEAKER_01]: What would you take out of that, that we just discussed every one of those stories I found fascinating and, uh, relevant, you know, very timely, all things that are happening right now.
[01:24:30.260 --> 01:24:34.940] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and, um, you know, there are people who would say, yeah, you shouldn't do that.
[01:24:35.040 --> 01:24:37.460] [SPEAKER_01]: You shouldn't criticize, uh, the powers that be.
[01:24:38.180 --> 01:24:45.880] [SPEAKER_01]: And, um, that's, that might be convenient for certain, um, uh, for certain, certain, uh, viewpoints, but we never do what's convenient.
[01:24:45.880 --> 01:24:49.420] [SPEAKER_01]: We do what is on our mind and we never shut anybody up either.
[01:24:49.600 --> 01:24:55.280] [SPEAKER_01]: If they call in, uh, if they're on our microphones, if they write in, we always want to hear that.
[01:24:55.360 --> 01:24:58.840] [SPEAKER_01]: The fact that we're talking about this right now, uh, should, should, should tell you that.
[01:24:59.400 --> 01:25:00.760] [SPEAKER_01]: But I have more exciting news.
[01:25:00.860 --> 01:25:03.980] [SPEAKER_01]: I think Kyle might've actually fixed the, uh, the, the, the hum.
[01:25:04.100 --> 01:25:06.740] [SPEAKER_01]: You want to tell us before we, we dive into this again?
[01:25:08.020 --> 01:25:09.840] [SPEAKER_12]: Everything is the nice version tonight.
[01:25:09.840 --> 01:25:09.880] [SPEAKER_12]: Right.
[01:25:10.060 --> 01:25:10.340] [SPEAKER_12]: Okay.
[01:25:10.500 --> 01:25:10.680] [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah.
[01:25:10.800 --> 01:25:13.560] [SPEAKER_12]: The nice version is, um, we're going to try something else.
[01:25:13.640 --> 01:25:14.000] [SPEAKER_01]: Be nice.
[01:25:14.240 --> 01:25:14.800] [SPEAKER_01]: We're nice.
[01:25:14.960 --> 01:25:15.560] [SPEAKER_01]: We're nice people.
[01:25:15.660 --> 01:25:15.720] [SPEAKER_01]: Be nice.
[01:25:15.800 --> 01:25:16.140] [SPEAKER_01]: Be nice.
[01:25:17.960 --> 01:25:18.600] [SPEAKER_12]: Ah, yes.
[01:25:18.900 --> 01:25:22.080] [SPEAKER_12]: The Southern hacker hospitality.
[01:25:22.500 --> 01:25:23.120] [SPEAKER_12]: Uh, yeah, I'm ready.
[01:25:23.300 --> 01:25:23.700] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a thing.
[01:25:23.800 --> 01:25:23.980] [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[01:25:24.060 --> 01:25:24.220] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[01:25:24.280 --> 01:25:24.860] [SPEAKER_12]: It's for real.
[01:25:25.060 --> 01:25:25.200] [SPEAKER_12]: No.
[01:25:25.580 --> 01:25:25.860] [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[01:25:25.860 --> 01:25:29.540] [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to, uh, just bring this up without any dial time.
[01:25:29.540 --> 01:25:30.520] [SPEAKER_12]: Just set your expectations.
[01:25:30.720 --> 01:25:32.340] [SPEAKER_12]: I did turn the gain on the compressor down.
[01:25:32.500 --> 01:25:32.600] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[01:25:32.600 --> 01:25:33.860] [SPEAKER_01]: Right now I don't hear any hum.
[01:25:34.160 --> 01:25:35.280] [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, but it's not off hook.
[01:25:35.420 --> 01:25:36.820] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, so I'm not supposed to hear a hum.
[01:25:36.820 --> 01:25:37.200] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[01:25:37.400 --> 01:25:38.400] [SPEAKER_01]: So now it's off hook.
[01:25:39.960 --> 01:25:40.320] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[01:25:40.840 --> 01:25:42.280] [SPEAKER_01]: Hit a Touch-Tone so that we can hear.
[01:25:43.520 --> 01:25:43.880] [SPEAKER_01]: Ooh.
[01:25:44.040 --> 01:25:45.420] [SPEAKER_12]: Ooh, that's like snappy.
[01:25:45.580 --> 01:25:46.360] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a snappy hum.
[01:25:47.400 --> 01:25:48.520] [SPEAKER_01]: But I can live with that hum.
[01:25:48.520 --> 01:25:49.520] [SPEAKER_01]: I can live with that hum.
[01:25:49.760 --> 01:25:50.340] [SPEAKER_01]: I can.
[01:25:50.900 --> 01:25:53.460] [SPEAKER_12]: No, you want me to, I'm going to boost the gain on the compressor.
[01:25:54.280 --> 01:25:55.660] [SPEAKER_12]: Or maybe turn it off.
[01:25:55.760 --> 01:25:56.560] [SPEAKER_12]: I don't know which one was.
[01:25:57.580 --> 01:25:58.200] [SPEAKER_12]: How about now?
[01:25:58.280 --> 01:25:59.140] [SPEAKER_01]: All right, Captain Janeway.
[01:26:00.360 --> 01:26:01.820] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, hit a, uh...
[01:26:01.820 --> 01:26:02.760] [SPEAKER_01]: It's very buzzy.
[01:26:02.820 --> 01:26:04.060] [SPEAKER_01]: Hit a Touch-Tone, please.
[01:26:05.720 --> 01:26:06.920] [SPEAKER_01]: It's got a buzz to it.
[01:26:06.980 --> 01:26:07.700] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's kind of...
[01:26:07.700 --> 01:26:11.100] [SPEAKER_01]: What do you guys hear out there in, in, uh, Signal-land?
[01:26:12.260 --> 01:26:13.820] [SPEAKER_11]: Well, it's not so bad on signal.
[01:26:14.080 --> 01:26:17.100] [SPEAKER_11]: I, uh, turned the YouTube, uh, volume up for a minute.
[01:26:17.300 --> 01:26:18.560] [SPEAKER_11]: And the hum is there.
[01:26:18.680 --> 01:26:21.200] [SPEAKER_11]: But I, I, I would like to, I would like to try this.
[01:26:21.320 --> 01:26:23.360] [SPEAKER_11]: Because I think we could probably hear a caller over it.
[01:26:24.220 --> 01:26:24.580] [SPEAKER_12]: Okay.
[01:26:24.680 --> 01:26:27.340] [SPEAKER_12]: I mean, we, we did isolate when we were troubleshooting.
[01:26:27.340 --> 01:26:28.720] [SPEAKER_12]: We know what it is.
[01:26:28.840 --> 01:26:37.720] [SPEAKER_12]: It is the, uh, there is a, a auxiliary return from the mic, from our, uh, board.
[01:26:38.040 --> 01:26:44.500] [SPEAKER_12]: This is what sends, uh, everybody else, like, our mics, to the caller.
[01:26:44.840 --> 01:26:47.660] [SPEAKER_12]: And that connection is what's causing it.
[01:26:47.960 --> 01:26:50.560] [SPEAKER_12]: So, kind of beats me.
[01:26:50.680 --> 01:26:50.920] [SPEAKER_12]: All right.
[01:26:51.220 --> 01:26:52.780] [SPEAKER_12]: Let's take this.
[01:26:54.140 --> 01:26:54.780] [SPEAKER_12]: Hi.
[01:26:55.500 --> 01:26:56.140] Hello.
[01:26:56.140 --> 01:26:56.200] Hello.
[01:26:56.820 --> 01:26:57.940] [SPEAKER_12]: Hey, you sound great.
[01:26:58.280 --> 01:26:58.860] [SPEAKER_03]: Do I sound great?
[01:26:58.900 --> 01:27:00.100] [SPEAKER_03]: Because you sound pretty good yourself.
[01:27:00.840 --> 01:27:02.020] [SPEAKER_12]: Oh, that's fantastic.
[01:27:02.300 --> 01:27:05.780] [SPEAKER_12]: Um, I mean, it's there, but it, it doesn't sound bad.
[01:27:05.940 --> 01:27:07.380] [SPEAKER_03]: I hear a hum, but you know what?
[01:27:07.500 --> 01:27:07.720] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[01:27:07.980 --> 01:27:10.360] [SPEAKER_03]: I have tinnitus, so I hear it ringing all the time.
[01:27:10.560 --> 01:27:11.200] [SPEAKER_03]: It's not as...
[01:27:11.200 --> 01:27:11.580] [SPEAKER_03]: What would this?
[01:27:11.680 --> 01:27:13.640] [SPEAKER_03]: In fact, the hum kind of cancels out the tinnitus.
[01:27:13.840 --> 01:27:14.780] [SPEAKER_12]: It's not as buzzy.
[01:27:14.900 --> 01:27:24.640] [SPEAKER_12]: And I was just explaining how we know that this connection is the auxiliary return for our microphones going to the caller, because we played with the connections.
[01:27:25.180 --> 01:27:25.620] [SPEAKER_12]: Sorry, I dropped the phone.
[01:27:25.620 --> 01:27:26.460] [SPEAKER_12]: You just hang up on me?
[01:27:26.780 --> 01:27:27.560] [SPEAKER_12]: I dropped the telephone.
[01:27:27.740 --> 01:27:27.960] [SPEAKER_12]: I'm sorry.
[01:27:28.520 --> 01:27:28.840] [SPEAKER_12]: Bro.
[01:27:30.440 --> 01:27:30.800] [SPEAKER_12]: Bro.
[01:27:31.880 --> 01:27:32.360] [SPEAKER_12]: Don't do that.
[01:27:32.400 --> 01:27:33.200] [SPEAKER_12]: You don't want to break something.
[01:27:34.760 --> 01:27:36.020] [SPEAKER_12]: I'm going to hang up on you.
[01:27:36.220 --> 01:27:37.080] [SPEAKER_12]: No, I'm hanging up on you.
[01:27:37.260 --> 01:27:37.700] [SPEAKER_12]: No, no.
[01:27:37.780 --> 01:27:38.820] [SPEAKER_12]: I'm hanging up on you.
[01:27:41.820 --> 01:27:42.380] [SPEAKER_12]: All right.
[01:27:42.580 --> 01:27:44.140] [SPEAKER_12]: So it's more or less serviceable.
[01:27:44.400 --> 01:27:56.320] [SPEAKER_12]: We're going to talk to someone, because basically this quarter inch is halfway down, because it's a stereo quarter inch plug going into one of the auxiliary returns.
[01:27:56.540 --> 01:28:02.580] [SPEAKER_12]: It might be tip or ring maybe off on it, or it's out of phase or something.
[01:28:02.660 --> 01:28:03.700] [SPEAKER_12]: We need to talk to an engineer.
[01:28:03.860 --> 01:28:04.480] [SPEAKER_01]: I got my quarterback.
[01:28:04.880 --> 01:28:06.660] [SPEAKER_12]: Or an audio expert.
[01:28:06.840 --> 01:28:07.120] [SPEAKER_12]: Did it?
[01:28:07.200 --> 01:28:08.200] [SPEAKER_12]: Did it actually return it?
[01:28:08.260 --> 01:28:08.780] [SPEAKER_12]: It actually came back.
[01:28:08.920 --> 01:28:09.220] [SPEAKER_12]: Wow.
[01:28:09.840 --> 01:28:10.540] [SPEAKER_12]: I'm so happy.
[01:28:10.740 --> 01:28:11.880] [SPEAKER_01]: This is the best thing that's happened to me today.
[01:28:12.140 --> 01:28:12.800] [SPEAKER_12]: Save that for later.
[01:28:13.640 --> 01:28:13.880] [SPEAKER_12]: All right.
[01:28:14.060 --> 01:28:15.760] [SPEAKER_12]: So let's take a call.
[01:28:18.300 --> 01:28:19.340] [SPEAKER_12]: We won't be salty.
[01:28:19.340 --> 01:28:20.020] [SPEAKER_12]: We'll be nice.
[01:28:20.280 --> 01:28:21.180] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we don't know that.
[01:28:21.280 --> 01:28:23.420] [SPEAKER_01]: 8-0-2-3-2-1-4-2-2-5.
[01:28:23.620 --> 01:28:24.120] [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, you're right.
[01:28:24.140 --> 01:28:25.240] [SPEAKER_12]: Why am I making promises?
[01:28:25.240 --> 01:28:25.780] [SPEAKER_12]: Nobody knows.
[01:28:25.900 --> 01:28:26.520] [SPEAKER_01]: Nobody can do that.
[01:28:26.580 --> 01:28:27.540] [SPEAKER_01]: You might say the wrong thing.
[01:28:27.740 --> 01:28:28.380] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just call.
[01:28:28.880 --> 01:28:29.540] [SPEAKER_11]: Try us.
[01:28:29.580 --> 01:28:29.780] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[01:28:30.440 --> 01:28:31.140] [SPEAKER_11]: Come at us.
[01:28:31.180 --> 01:28:31.580] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, come on.
[01:28:31.660 --> 01:28:31.980] [SPEAKER_01]: Try us.
[01:28:32.040 --> 01:28:32.520] [SPEAKER_01]: Try us out.
[01:28:33.300 --> 01:28:34.300] [SPEAKER_11]: That sounded good, though.
[01:28:34.420 --> 01:28:36.700] [SPEAKER_11]: That sounded good here to us on Signal.
[01:28:36.840 --> 01:28:38.280] [SPEAKER_01]: That's how you make a phone call.
[01:28:40.280 --> 01:28:40.940] [SPEAKER_09]: But try us.
[01:28:40.980 --> 01:28:41.560] [SPEAKER_09]: You might like us.
[01:28:41.960 --> 01:28:42.260] [SPEAKER_11]: Absolutely.
[01:28:43.860 --> 01:28:44.660] [SPEAKER_01]: Waiting for that call.
[01:28:46.140 --> 01:28:46.560] [SPEAKER_11]: All right.
[01:28:46.720 --> 01:28:50.820] [SPEAKER_11]: So if you want to give us a call at 8-0-2-3-2-1-4-2-2-5.
[01:28:51.120 --> 01:28:52.540] [SPEAKER_01]: I think we chased everybody away.
[01:28:52.860 --> 01:28:53.860] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, we don't want to hear from you.
[01:28:54.140 --> 01:28:54.340] [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah.
[01:28:56.600 --> 01:28:57.720] [SPEAKER_12]: We don't want your call.
[01:28:58.260 --> 01:28:59.880] [SPEAKER_12]: I'm trying to use reverse psychology.
[01:29:00.180 --> 01:29:01.660] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we told Rebel not to call, and we mean it.
[01:29:01.860 --> 01:29:04.120] [SPEAKER_01]: Rebel, don't try to rescue us, because that would be bad.
[01:29:04.560 --> 01:29:05.340] [SPEAKER_12]: Rebel's on notice.
[01:29:05.620 --> 01:29:07.720] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's on notice, and we'll hear from him next week.
[01:29:07.720 --> 01:29:09.340] [SPEAKER_01]: And we'll welcome him next week.
[01:29:10.200 --> 01:29:10.560] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[01:29:10.760 --> 01:29:12.480] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm not sure he's even with us this evening.
[01:29:13.440 --> 01:29:14.680] [SPEAKER_01]: We have not seen him in the chat.
[01:29:14.740 --> 01:29:15.240] [SPEAKER_01]: We have not seen him in the chat.
[01:29:15.240 --> 01:29:16.080] [SPEAKER_01]: What did you do, Gila?
[01:29:16.160 --> 01:29:17.160] [SPEAKER_01]: What do you mean he's not with us?
[01:29:17.280 --> 01:29:17.580] [SPEAKER_12]: Is he traveling?
[01:29:18.540 --> 01:29:19.700] [SPEAKER_12]: Or that's later this summer.
[01:29:19.720 --> 01:29:22.080] [SPEAKER_01]: I meant that figuratively, what I said last week.
[01:29:22.100 --> 01:29:23.740] [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't mean for you to go out and do it.
[01:29:24.360 --> 01:29:24.620] [SPEAKER_12]: Whoa.
[01:29:26.860 --> 01:29:27.840] [SPEAKER_01]: Please tell me.
[01:29:27.980 --> 01:29:28.360] [SPEAKER_01]: You didn't...
[01:29:28.360 --> 01:29:28.520] [SPEAKER_01]: What?
[01:29:28.760 --> 01:29:29.840] [SPEAKER_12]: It was a nod.
[01:29:30.140 --> 01:29:31.740] [SPEAKER_12]: She's supposed to interpret the nod.
[01:29:31.860 --> 01:29:33.060] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, how is it on Sopranos?
[01:29:33.060 --> 01:29:35.920] [SPEAKER_01]: You can just nod to somebody, and they know exactly what you mean.
[01:29:35.920 --> 01:29:36.700] [SPEAKER_12]: You gave the sign.
[01:29:36.780 --> 01:29:37.140] [SPEAKER_12]: What do you expect?
[01:29:37.160 --> 01:29:41.920] [SPEAKER_01]: In real life, I can tell people through their face, you know, something, and they're like, oh, I didn't know you meant it that way.
[01:29:43.680 --> 01:29:45.120] [SPEAKER_01]: Life is just not like TV.
[01:29:45.620 --> 01:29:46.440] [SPEAKER_01]: Learn that every day.
[01:29:47.140 --> 01:29:48.280] [SPEAKER_01]: And here we are.
[01:29:48.500 --> 01:29:48.880] [SPEAKER_01]: Good evening.
[01:29:49.060 --> 01:29:50.380] [SPEAKER_01]: You're on off the go of time.
[01:29:50.500 --> 01:29:50.740] [SPEAKER_01]: Go ahead.
[01:29:51.720 --> 01:29:55.820] [SPEAKER_15]: Hello, this is luRaichu calling from Washington, D.C.
[01:29:56.200 --> 01:29:57.400] [SPEAKER_01]: And you've never sounded better.
[01:29:57.700 --> 01:29:58.760] [SPEAKER_01]: You sound really loud.
[01:29:58.980 --> 01:30:00.140] [SPEAKER_01]: And I can hear you.
[01:30:00.260 --> 01:30:01.760] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's a little bit of a hum, but so what?
[01:30:01.960 --> 01:30:03.500] [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, I think some of this is the compressor.
[01:30:03.500 --> 01:30:10.260] [SPEAKER_12]: There's like a gain boost on the back of the compressor, and the button's kind of sticky, so I can't tell if it's rising or if it's pressed.
[01:30:10.540 --> 01:30:12.000] [SPEAKER_01]: Look, the hum just tells you you're on the phone.
[01:30:12.120 --> 01:30:12.680] [SPEAKER_01]: That way you know.
[01:30:14.780 --> 01:30:16.560] [SPEAKER_15]: Yes, well, I just got here.
[01:30:17.900 --> 01:30:21.020] [SPEAKER_15]: Let's see, that's because, yeah, I got here.
[01:30:21.020 --> 01:30:21.560] [SPEAKER_15]: I was late.
[01:30:22.060 --> 01:30:28.480] [SPEAKER_15]: It's 8.37, so I have no idea what was said on off the hook or over time, but, you know, I just had a thought.
[01:30:28.480 --> 01:30:32.160] [SPEAKER_15]: You seem to be having so many problems with your equipment, such and such.
[01:30:32.160 --> 01:30:33.480] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, we just fixed it.
[01:30:33.680 --> 01:30:34.760] [SPEAKER_00]: We just fixed it.
[01:30:35.280 --> 01:30:37.580] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, no, what were you going to suggest?
[01:30:37.800 --> 01:30:38.560] [SPEAKER_00]: What's your helpful suggestion?
[01:30:38.840 --> 01:30:40.080] [SPEAKER_00]: Why don't we just do give up?
[01:30:42.980 --> 01:30:49.660] [SPEAKER_15]: I'd say give up the names of the equipment, names and model numbers of the equipment you're using.
[01:30:49.800 --> 01:30:52.840] [SPEAKER_15]: Because, you know, some people might know, hey, there's a trick for that.
[01:30:52.960 --> 01:30:55.660] [SPEAKER_15]: Here's how to make this thing work with that, such and such, you know.
[01:30:55.760 --> 01:30:57.420] [SPEAKER_15]: He said give out, not give up.
[01:30:57.620 --> 01:30:58.580] [SPEAKER_00]: Give out, not give up.
[01:30:58.660 --> 01:30:59.660] [SPEAKER_12]: No, I hear you, caller.
[01:30:59.840 --> 01:31:01.260] [SPEAKER_12]: We did talk about it a little bit.
[01:31:01.260 --> 01:31:12.620] [SPEAKER_12]: But basically, what the connection is, is a return from the board that filters out the caller, but sends our mics back to them.
[01:31:12.620 --> 01:31:15.500] [SPEAKER_12]: So there's auxiliary outputs or auxiliary monitors.
[01:31:15.500 --> 01:31:17.600] [SPEAKER_12]: So we have a quarter inch cable that goes in.
[01:31:17.700 --> 01:31:18.720] [SPEAKER_12]: It's a stereo cable.
[01:31:18.740 --> 01:31:22.960] [SPEAKER_12]: It's only pressed halfway down in the auxiliary output.
[01:31:22.960 --> 01:31:27.500] [SPEAKER_12]: And then that sends like three channels from our board back to the caller.
[01:31:27.500 --> 01:31:29.580] [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, it's probably not correct.
[01:31:29.580 --> 01:31:32.320] [SPEAKER_12]: But when I press it all the way down, we get nothing.
[01:31:32.940 --> 01:31:34.460] [SPEAKER_12]: No hum, but no nothing.
[01:31:34.700 --> 01:31:35.860] [SPEAKER_12]: So there's something wrong.
[01:31:36.000 --> 01:31:41.260] [SPEAKER_12]: Like, I think tip or ring is backwards or it's just, it's set up wrong to return audio to the caller.
[01:31:41.460 --> 01:31:42.960] [SPEAKER_12]: That's what we've isolated it to.
[01:31:43.780 --> 01:31:45.040] [SPEAKER_12]: And then there's some other stuff.
[01:31:46.360 --> 01:31:52.580] [SPEAKER_15]: It sort of reminds me of plugging stereo headphones into like a mono tape recorder.
[01:31:53.460 --> 01:31:59.400] [SPEAKER_15]: It would vary depending on the specific aux cord, the manufacturer, how far apart the rings were.
[01:31:59.560 --> 01:32:07.820] [SPEAKER_15]: But if you just put it in, not all the way, just a little bit, you could get the mono channel on both the left and right.
[01:32:07.820 --> 01:32:10.340] [SPEAKER_15]: But it only worked if you didn't put it in all the way.
[01:32:10.600 --> 01:32:11.360] [SPEAKER_15]: Oh, oh, well.
[01:32:11.660 --> 01:32:23.020] [SPEAKER_15]: Because normally when you plug a stereo headset into a mono audio jack, you only get it on the left because that's just how the physical jack connectors are laid out.
[01:32:23.180 --> 01:32:23.680] [SPEAKER_12]: Well, right.
[01:32:23.920 --> 01:32:30.060] [SPEAKER_12]: That is actually technically right for effects returns.
[01:32:30.440 --> 01:32:32.760] [SPEAKER_12]: And it's labeled as such on the board.
[01:32:32.760 --> 01:32:41.260] [SPEAKER_12]: I just might be doing that same thing with a monitor output that doesn't work that way.
[01:32:41.400 --> 01:32:49.400] [SPEAKER_12]: But it's cobbled together and I'm not totally expert, but that is a normal thing to do in certain instances.
[01:32:49.420 --> 01:32:53.700] [SPEAKER_12]: But I may be using the wrong type of plug to do that with.
[01:32:53.840 --> 01:32:54.780] [SPEAKER_12]: It's not a mono plug.
[01:32:54.860 --> 01:32:57.080] [SPEAKER_01]: This is the best sounding phone call we've had in months.
[01:32:57.320 --> 01:32:57.860] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it sounds fine.
[01:32:57.900 --> 01:32:58.380] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm happy about that.
[01:32:58.540 --> 01:32:59.780] [SPEAKER_12]: So what's on your mind?
[01:32:59.920 --> 01:33:01.080] [SPEAKER_12]: What else is going on?
[01:33:02.760 --> 01:33:03.640] [SPEAKER_15]: I'm on the 2500.
[01:33:04.040 --> 01:33:09.180] [SPEAKER_15]: I did adjust some settings on the telephone for different audio codecs.
[01:33:09.440 --> 01:33:12.460] [SPEAKER_15]: So yeah, I mean, this is the best it'll get better than a cell phone, I presume.
[01:33:12.780 --> 01:33:16.200] [SPEAKER_15]: I haven't heard myself with these new settings yet, but no, but oh well.
[01:33:16.360 --> 01:33:18.480] [SPEAKER_12]: We're also on the 2500.
[01:33:18.880 --> 01:33:20.080] [SPEAKER_12]: It's weird.
[01:33:20.180 --> 01:33:22.580] [SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, you said you're on the 2500 DMG.
[01:33:22.780 --> 01:33:24.640] [SPEAKER_15]: I'm also on the 2500 DMG.
[01:33:24.780 --> 01:33:27.760] [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, it's a DMGC and it's got this weird R button.
[01:33:27.880 --> 01:33:28.700] [SPEAKER_12]: Do you have an R button?
[01:33:29.380 --> 01:33:30.680] [SPEAKER_01]: That's for redial.
[01:33:30.680 --> 01:33:35.680] [SPEAKER_12]: I don't want to press it because I don't know what number it might be, but I don't think it actually is for redial.
[01:33:35.780 --> 01:33:39.300] [SPEAKER_12]: I think it was part of a different system, but someone else can correct me.
[01:33:39.300 --> 01:33:40.720] [SPEAKER_01]: What could R stand for other than redial?
[01:33:41.100 --> 01:33:42.080] [SPEAKER_01]: It must be redial.
[01:33:42.540 --> 01:33:43.280] [SPEAKER_12]: Maybe, yeah.
[01:33:43.380 --> 01:33:44.160] [SPEAKER_12]: But it says, let's see.
[01:33:44.220 --> 01:33:45.360] [SPEAKER_12]: It's got a date sold.
[01:33:45.880 --> 01:33:46.240] [SPEAKER_12]: 1989.
[01:33:46.640 --> 01:33:48.720] [SPEAKER_12]: Oh, warranty expires in 1989.
[01:33:49.100 --> 01:33:49.460] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh dear.
[01:33:50.100 --> 01:33:51.460] [SPEAKER_01]: But that's not when it was made.
[01:33:51.620 --> 01:33:52.620] [SPEAKER_01]: It was made before that.
[01:33:52.620 --> 01:34:00.240] [SPEAKER_12]: Asset, warning, use for business systems only or you risk an electrical short circuit.
[01:34:00.500 --> 01:34:01.000] [SPEAKER_01]: Wait, what?
[01:34:01.320 --> 01:34:02.500] [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, that's what I mean.
[01:34:02.620 --> 01:34:08.220] [SPEAKER_12]: Like, it's meant for like a, it's an extension from like a business, like I want to say PBX or something, but I don't know.
[01:34:08.520 --> 01:34:10.460] [SPEAKER_12]: Someone can explain what these are used for.
[01:34:10.520 --> 01:34:12.880] [SPEAKER_12]: I looked it up a long time ago, but...
[01:34:12.880 --> 01:34:14.280] [SPEAKER_12]: Where did we get that from?
[01:34:14.500 --> 01:34:15.540] [SPEAKER_12]: Someone gave it to us.
[01:34:15.660 --> 01:34:16.660] [SPEAKER_01]: People always giving us phones.
[01:34:16.700 --> 01:34:18.800] [SPEAKER_12]: People give us phones like nobody's business.
[01:34:19.020 --> 01:34:19.120] [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah.
[01:34:19.440 --> 01:34:20.160] [SPEAKER_01]: And don't stop.
[01:34:20.160 --> 01:34:21.960] [SPEAKER_12]: Anyway, yeah, please keep them coming.
[01:34:22.740 --> 01:34:24.220] [SPEAKER_12]: But this is a good keyed phone.
[01:34:24.400 --> 01:34:26.500] [SPEAKER_12]: And how, so how's your 2500 working?
[01:34:26.580 --> 01:34:27.800] [SPEAKER_12]: How's your, your new keypad?
[01:34:29.100 --> 01:34:33.060] [SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, I demonstrated it last time, the buttons.
[01:34:33.380 --> 01:34:33.940] [SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, we're...
[01:34:35.060 --> 01:34:35.900] [SPEAKER_12]: We're enjoying the music.
[01:34:35.900 --> 01:34:38.120] [SPEAKER_15]: We're enjoying the settings for DTMF recognition.
[01:34:38.680 --> 01:34:42.140] [SPEAKER_15]: So let me see if my fast dialing comes up on your side of the line.
[01:34:42.340 --> 01:34:42.560] [SPEAKER_15]: Okay.
[01:34:42.840 --> 01:34:43.620] [SPEAKER_15]: Okay, let's go.
[01:34:44.160 --> 01:34:44.720] [SPEAKER_15]: Let's go.
[01:34:47.940 --> 01:34:48.660] Did you hear it?
[01:34:48.760 --> 01:34:49.440] [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, we heard it.
[01:34:49.440 --> 01:34:50.360] [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, much clearer.
[01:34:50.980 --> 01:34:51.120] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[01:34:51.500 --> 01:34:51.780] [SPEAKER_15]: Okay.
[01:34:54.080 --> 01:34:55.560] [SPEAKER_12]: Try dialing that fast on a smartphone.
[01:34:55.820 --> 01:34:58.080] [SPEAKER_12]: That was a little choppy, but we got, we got it.
[01:34:58.220 --> 01:34:58.520] [SPEAKER_12]: I mean...
[01:34:58.520 --> 01:35:01.300] [SPEAKER_01]: We're hearing some clicks between the tones, but we are hearing the tones.
[01:35:02.660 --> 01:35:03.020] [SPEAKER_12]: Okay.
[01:35:03.420 --> 01:35:04.420] [SPEAKER_12]: Well, that's all well and good.
[01:35:04.700 --> 01:35:07.260] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, every, every week our technology gets a little bit better.
[01:35:07.540 --> 01:35:08.180] [SPEAKER_12]: Keep it up, though.
[01:35:08.260 --> 01:35:08.820] [SPEAKER_12]: That sounds great.
[01:35:08.940 --> 01:35:10.700] [SPEAKER_12]: It sounds like you really got a good setup there.
[01:35:10.880 --> 01:35:12.620] [SPEAKER_01]: May I ask where you got your 2500?
[01:35:14.840 --> 01:35:20.120] [SPEAKER_15]: I said this on a previous call, but it was from a local house that was being cleaned out.
[01:35:20.260 --> 01:35:22.600] [SPEAKER_15]: So this was installed originally by Bell.
[01:35:23.300 --> 01:35:26.220] [SPEAKER_15]: Oh yeah, this neighbor, he was actually a ham radio operator.
[01:35:26.220 --> 01:35:32.100] [SPEAKER_15]: I don't think I can say his call sign, but yeah, he just kept all this old stuff.
[01:35:32.260 --> 01:35:32.360] [SPEAKER_15]: Yeah.
[01:35:32.560 --> 01:35:35.900] [SPEAKER_15]: He had a lot of interesting radio stuff and I got to keep a lot of it.
[01:35:35.900 --> 01:35:42.640] [SPEAKER_15]: Um, let's see, he had a really early cell phone where actually it was three different types.
[01:35:42.700 --> 01:35:45.860] [SPEAKER_15]: There was like a battery pack, something to plug in the car, et cetera.
[01:35:46.020 --> 01:35:47.740] [SPEAKER_15]: It was all split up and black and it's neat.
[01:35:47.840 --> 01:35:54.620] [SPEAKER_15]: I, I didn't take that personally, but also there was a, uh, in a shed, it was a box.
[01:35:55.160 --> 01:35:56.780] [SPEAKER_15]: Um, what's the manufacturer?
[01:35:57.140 --> 01:36:08.220] [SPEAKER_15]: I forgot the manufacturer, what, uh, what it was, but it was, but if I remember correctly, I used this box, sort of like a, it was an early, uh, uh, RS camera.
[01:36:08.520 --> 01:36:10.480] [SPEAKER_15]: I'm not sure, I don't understand exactly how it works.
[01:36:10.580 --> 01:36:16.460] [SPEAKER_15]: There's a paper online from NASA that explains because this company had actually got a contract to NASA.
[01:36:16.860 --> 01:36:18.440] [SPEAKER_15]: They were selling these devices to them.
[01:36:18.600 --> 01:36:23.340] [SPEAKER_15]: It's an experimental system where, like it's a camera, it's a image sensor.
[01:36:23.580 --> 01:36:37.100] [SPEAKER_15]: And somehow it translates that image into a two-dimensional black and white, uh, field in RS and RS can be modulated, um, manipulated.
[01:36:37.360 --> 01:36:38.640] [SPEAKER_15]: So such and such too.
[01:36:40.960 --> 01:36:41.860] [SPEAKER_12]: What happened to him?
[01:36:42.000 --> 01:36:43.680] [SPEAKER_12]: Sounds like his Internet dropped a little.
[01:36:44.820 --> 01:36:45.900] [SPEAKER_15]: Oh, that's my Internet.
[01:36:46.120 --> 01:36:46.260] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[01:36:46.420 --> 01:36:48.640] [SPEAKER_01]: You disappeared into an echo for a second, but you're back.
[01:36:48.780 --> 01:36:49.280] [SPEAKER_01]: You're back now.
[01:36:50.740 --> 01:36:51.080] [SPEAKER_15]: Okay.
[01:36:51.440 --> 01:36:53.180] [SPEAKER_15]: So do you need any further explanation?
[01:36:53.180 --> 01:37:07.300] [SPEAKER_15]: It was just like a box, um, that was sold, that was sold under contract from this company to NASA, and it's some sort of image sensor that translates, uh, what the camera is seeing into an RF field.
[01:37:07.560 --> 01:37:11.820] [SPEAKER_15]: And the image can be manipulated and zoomed in electronically through that RF field.
[01:37:11.920 --> 01:37:13.060] [SPEAKER_15]: And I have no idea how it works.
[01:37:13.680 --> 01:37:18.080] [SPEAKER_15]: Uh, but I got it from the same guy that I got, uh, this 2,500 DMG scrubs.
[01:37:18.080 --> 01:37:18.880] [SPEAKER_15]: So good to hear.
[01:37:18.980 --> 01:37:20.020] [SPEAKER_12]: Well, it sounds fantastic.
[01:37:20.300 --> 01:37:25.340] [SPEAKER_12]: It sounds like you, um, are the good home that this equipment desperately needed.
[01:37:25.760 --> 01:37:40.200] [SPEAKER_12]: And, um, the ham radio operators are great and good people, and it's good to make those connections and, and, uh, be a place for some of this old equipment to go for, for curious types and people that might breathe new life into them with, uh, other tools and technologies that are,
[01:37:40.700 --> 01:37:42.160] [SPEAKER_12]: um, that are ever present.
[01:37:42.160 --> 01:37:43.820] [SPEAKER_12]: So great, great to hear that.
[01:37:46.300 --> 01:37:46.760] [SPEAKER_15]: Yes.
[01:37:47.320 --> 01:37:57.220] [SPEAKER_15]: Um, well, I didn't have any planned, anything planned, of course, because I didn't listen to Off The Hook or anything, uh, on Overtime past 830, so...
[01:37:57.220 --> 01:38:00.840] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, then you have Off The Hook to look forward to, because I think it's posted already on the Internet.
[01:38:02.040 --> 01:38:02.820] [SPEAKER_15]: Oh, okay.
[01:38:03.060 --> 01:38:06.900] [SPEAKER_15]: Well, and just remember, a picture is worth a thousand words.
[01:38:07.400 --> 01:38:10.600] [SPEAKER_15]: I don't have time to spew a thousand words here, no.
[01:38:11.620 --> 01:38:12.720] [SPEAKER_15]: Oh, wait, hold on, shoot.
[01:38:13.320 --> 01:38:14.140] [SPEAKER_15]: Hold on, wait, hold on.
[01:38:14.860 --> 01:38:16.680] [SPEAKER_15]: Let me just plug this in real quick.
[01:38:19.880 --> 01:38:20.300] [SPEAKER_15]: Oh.
[01:38:20.920 --> 01:38:22.060] [SPEAKER_01]: Did the hum just get louder?
[01:38:22.700 --> 01:38:23.680] [SPEAKER_01]: I thought it did.
[01:38:23.820 --> 01:38:24.500] [SPEAKER_15]: Do you hear something?
[01:38:25.340 --> 01:38:26.340] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I hear the hum.
[01:38:28.520 --> 01:38:29.440] [SPEAKER_15]: Okay, hold on.
[01:38:33.360 --> 01:38:34.820] [SPEAKER_01]: Is he controlling the hum somehow?
[01:38:38.850 --> 01:38:40.250] [SPEAKER_01]: It's changing, you hear that.
[01:38:41.050 --> 01:38:41.410] [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah.
[01:38:41.650 --> 01:38:41.890] [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah.
[01:38:42.550 --> 01:38:44.290] [SPEAKER_12]: But we're also on a call.
[01:38:48.190 --> 01:38:49.530] [SPEAKER_12]: It's full duplex.
[01:38:49.690 --> 01:38:54.570] [SPEAKER_12]: It's going back and forth, so you could have noise in his system somewhere along the lines.
[01:38:54.850 --> 01:38:57.270] [SPEAKER_12]: It's an imperfect system, but look, it's working.
[01:38:57.530 --> 01:38:57.970] [SPEAKER_12]: Yes.
[01:38:57.970 --> 01:38:58.810] [SPEAKER_12]: We're communicating.
[01:38:59.090 --> 01:38:59.190] [SPEAKER_12]: Yes.
[01:38:59.310 --> 01:39:01.370] [SPEAKER_12]: And honestly, that's all that matters.
[01:39:01.570 --> 01:39:02.290] [SPEAKER_12]: It really...
[01:39:02.290 --> 01:39:03.850] [SPEAKER_12]: Communication can be messy.
[01:39:04.250 --> 01:39:04.410] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh.
[01:39:04.650 --> 01:39:04.950] [SPEAKER_00]: It's changing.
[01:39:05.070 --> 01:39:05.570] [SPEAKER_00]: You hear that?
[01:39:06.410 --> 01:39:08.130] [SPEAKER_00]: Boy, that's some data there.
[01:39:08.570 --> 01:39:09.590] [SPEAKER_00]: We're also on a call.
[01:39:11.510 --> 01:39:13.850] [SPEAKER_01]: Wait, why do I hear Kyle on the phone?
[01:39:14.090 --> 01:39:14.850] [SPEAKER_12]: Full duplex.
[01:39:15.010 --> 01:39:15.850] [SPEAKER_12]: It's coming back and forth.
[01:39:15.850 --> 01:39:16.650] [SPEAKER_12]: Okay, all right.
[01:39:16.650 --> 01:39:17.350] [SPEAKER_12]: You could have noise.
[01:39:17.350 --> 01:39:18.090] [SPEAKER_12]: Kyle's in the past.
[01:39:18.850 --> 01:39:19.890] [SPEAKER_12]: Somewhere along the lines.
[01:39:21.030 --> 01:39:23.050] [SPEAKER_01]: Kyle, this is a manual from the future.
[01:39:23.170 --> 01:39:23.890] [SPEAKER_01]: Can you hear me?
[01:39:41.530 --> 01:39:46.410] [SPEAKER_01]: And the first person who gets us that data translated will win a prize.
[01:39:46.630 --> 01:39:47.270] [SPEAKER_12]: Is that a picture?
[01:39:48.030 --> 01:39:49.190] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it might be a picture.
[01:39:50.590 --> 01:39:52.050] A picture is worth a thousand words.
[01:39:52.190 --> 01:39:52.490] [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[01:39:52.550 --> 01:39:54.470] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we're going to let you on that for a while.
[01:39:54.690 --> 01:39:55.450] [SPEAKER_12]: Very, very cool.
[01:39:55.690 --> 01:39:57.530] [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks so much for your call and for listening.
[01:39:57.770 --> 01:39:58.470] [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, keep listening.
[01:39:58.610 --> 01:39:59.190] [SPEAKER_12]: Keep experimenting.
[01:39:59.450 --> 01:40:00.630] [SPEAKER_12]: And they are out of here.
[01:40:00.630 --> 01:40:02.590] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they left before we even said that.
[01:40:02.770 --> 01:40:02.910] [SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[01:40:03.290 --> 01:40:03.530] [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[01:40:03.590 --> 01:40:04.250] [SPEAKER_01]: That was good.
[01:40:04.430 --> 01:40:05.250] [SPEAKER_01]: That was not bad.
[01:40:05.410 --> 01:40:05.690] [SPEAKER_01]: Next.
[01:40:05.930 --> 01:40:08.590] [SPEAKER_01]: Thoughts from people in Signal-land?
[01:40:10.210 --> 01:40:11.530] [SPEAKER_11]: That sounded really good.
[01:40:11.670 --> 01:40:14.830] [SPEAKER_11]: And I'm glad we got such a good connection.
[01:40:15.210 --> 01:40:21.610] [SPEAKER_11]: And, you know, the hum is just a little friend in the air now rather than an enemy, I think.
[01:40:21.610 --> 01:40:24.210] [SPEAKER_09]: Yes, but we were getting notification from the chat.
[01:40:24.210 --> 01:40:28.050] [SPEAKER_09]: And I agree that that was the best sounding call we've had in a really long time.
[01:40:30.430 --> 01:40:32.990] [SPEAKER_01]: And it was on a landline to another landline.
[01:40:33.190 --> 01:40:34.890] [SPEAKER_01]: So that's important to point out.
[01:40:35.630 --> 01:40:39.790] [SPEAKER_01]: So if calls sound terrible in the future, it might be because they're not landlines.
[01:40:39.950 --> 01:40:42.150] [SPEAKER_01]: But that's, you know, that's just my opinion.
[01:40:43.710 --> 01:40:45.990] [SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully not too political, but that's how I feel.
[01:40:47.630 --> 01:40:49.570] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, I think that's very fair.
[01:40:50.190 --> 01:40:56.890] [SPEAKER_12]: It's weirdly, like, below the threshold on the compressor, which we only integrated when people were complaining they couldn't hear.
[01:40:57.110 --> 01:40:58.070] [SPEAKER_12]: So I don't know.
[01:40:58.370 --> 01:41:00.010] [SPEAKER_12]: Like, the compressor's not doing anything.
[01:41:00.450 --> 01:41:02.610] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think we have time for one or two more calls.
[01:41:02.750 --> 01:41:04.410] [SPEAKER_01]: 802-321-4225.
[01:41:04.530 --> 01:41:06.270] [SPEAKER_01]: Country code 1 if you're outside the U.S.
[01:41:06.710 --> 01:41:08.790] [SPEAKER_01]: 802-321-4225.
[01:41:09.910 --> 01:41:12.130] [SPEAKER_01]: 802-321-HACK is what that spells.
[01:41:12.650 --> 01:41:15.430] [SPEAKER_01]: And anything on your mind as far as technology?
[01:41:15.990 --> 01:41:23.190] [SPEAKER_01]: The world, fun things you're doing, the HOPE conference coming up in August, you know, all sorts of things.
[01:41:23.250 --> 01:41:27.310] [SPEAKER_01]: We closed our speaker submissions on Monday.
[01:41:27.590 --> 01:41:29.030] [SPEAKER_01]: And boy, do we have a lot.
[01:41:29.190 --> 01:41:32.430] [SPEAKER_01]: And we're going to be posting those fairly soon.
[01:41:33.670 --> 01:41:37.830] [SPEAKER_01]: And hopefully people will look forward to that as much as we are.
[01:41:40.310 --> 01:41:52.210] [SPEAKER_09]: Also, just for the record, and luRaichu, this is, well, for everybody, but just so you know, the archive is up on the WBAI website if you want to listen to tonight's show.
[01:41:52.490 --> 01:42:00.710] [SPEAKER_09]: And if you give us a little time after we're done here tonight, it'll be up on the 2600.com website, 2600.com/oth.
[01:42:00.970 --> 01:42:02.890] [SPEAKER_09]: And our podcast feeds and all these wonderful things.
[01:42:03.090 --> 01:42:08.890] [SPEAKER_09]: But, you know, if you're really chomping at the bit, you can find our archive already this evening.
[01:42:08.890 --> 01:42:11.790] [SPEAKER_09]: So, just so as you know.
[01:42:12.150 --> 01:42:12.510] [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[01:42:15.940 --> 01:42:17.380] [SPEAKER_01]: No call, huh, Kyle?
[01:42:20.100 --> 01:42:22.380] [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, I'm being nice.
[01:42:22.380 --> 01:42:24.680] [SPEAKER_12]: I didn't say anything, you know.
[01:42:26.300 --> 01:42:29.260] [SPEAKER_12]: I welcome the conversation.
[01:42:31.140 --> 01:42:33.640] [SPEAKER_12]: Apologies for sounding frustrated.
[01:42:34.160 --> 01:42:34.660] [SPEAKER_12]: There's...
[01:42:34.660 --> 01:42:37.620] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's also, like, 94 degrees in this room.
[01:42:38.040 --> 01:42:39.300] [SPEAKER_12]: And the air quality's bad.
[01:42:39.740 --> 01:42:41.320] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and we have smoke from the Canadians.
[01:42:41.440 --> 01:42:42.140] [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you very much.
[01:42:43.040 --> 01:42:44.160] [SPEAKER_01]: So, that's in the area.
[01:42:45.320 --> 01:42:46.040] [SPEAKER_12]: And sand.
[01:42:47.260 --> 01:42:48.880] [SPEAKER_01]: Sand from Africa, I believe.
[01:42:49.200 --> 01:42:49.540] [SPEAKER_01]: From the African.
[01:42:49.540 --> 01:42:51.000] [SPEAKER_01]: But that's mostly in the south.
[01:42:51.640 --> 01:42:56.760] [SPEAKER_01]: But supposedly they're going to meet and have some kind of a smoke sand storm.
[01:42:58.080 --> 01:43:00.220] [SPEAKER_01]: So, we have that to look forward to later in the week.
[01:43:01.260 --> 01:43:03.420] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so all sorts of things going on.
[01:43:05.800 --> 01:43:07.180] [SPEAKER_01]: All right, you know, maybe nobody wants to call.
[01:43:07.180 --> 01:43:08.060] [SPEAKER_01]: We'll give it two more minutes.
[01:43:08.240 --> 01:43:09.440] [SPEAKER_01]: 802-321-4225.
[01:43:09.940 --> 01:43:12.640] [SPEAKER_01]: If we don't get a call in two minutes, we're going to have an early night.
[01:43:12.840 --> 01:43:13.920] [SPEAKER_01]: Which, you know, we deserve.
[01:43:14.940 --> 01:43:15.340] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[01:43:16.000 --> 01:43:19.840] [SPEAKER_13]: I was excited that we got to hear the touchstones from our caller this week.
[01:43:20.000 --> 01:43:23.240] [SPEAKER_13]: And heard his fast finger dialing there.
[01:43:26.330 --> 01:43:27.780] [SPEAKER_01]: We appear to have a call.
[01:43:28.000 --> 01:43:29.100] [SPEAKER_01]: And we're going to say good evening.
[01:43:29.320 --> 01:43:30.680] [SPEAKER_01]: You're on Off The Hook Overtime.
[01:43:30.820 --> 01:43:31.160] [SPEAKER_01]: Good evening.
[01:43:31.400 --> 01:43:32.380] [SPEAKER_01]: You're on Off The Hook Overtime.
[01:43:33.460 --> 01:43:34.200] [SPEAKER_04]: Good evening.
[01:43:34.620 --> 01:43:35.180] [SPEAKER_01]: How you doing?
[01:43:35.220 --> 01:43:37.040] [SPEAKER_04]: There is a large hum.
[01:43:37.040 --> 01:43:39.140] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, we're aware of the hum.
[01:43:39.320 --> 01:43:40.780] [SPEAKER_01]: But it's not a crippling hum.
[01:43:40.820 --> 01:43:42.260] [SPEAKER_01]: And you sound very loud.
[01:43:43.640 --> 01:43:43.980] Right.
[01:43:44.480 --> 01:43:58.040] [SPEAKER_05]: I just wanted to let Alex know from a couple weeks ago, two, three weeks ago, that corpus is a neuter noun.
[01:43:58.300 --> 01:44:00.880] [SPEAKER_05]: So it was in the accusative.
[01:44:02.900 --> 01:44:05.120] [SPEAKER_13]: Is that at all helpful?
[01:44:05.460 --> 01:44:06.180] [SPEAKER_13]: Habeas corpus?
[01:44:06.800 --> 01:44:06.980] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[01:44:07.220 --> 01:44:10.400] [SPEAKER_13]: That makes a lot of sense, then, why the accusative form would be different.
[01:44:11.620 --> 01:44:15.680] [SPEAKER_14]: Is it singular or plural accusative?
[01:44:17.140 --> 01:44:18.700] [SPEAKER_14]: I think it would be singular, right?
[01:44:20.340 --> 01:44:22.240] [SPEAKER_05]: I've forgotten whether...
[01:44:22.240 --> 01:44:26.080] [SPEAKER_05]: I've forgotten what the plural might be, but it's certainly in the singular.
[01:44:26.860 --> 01:44:27.020] [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[01:44:27.560 --> 01:44:27.880] [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[01:44:28.260 --> 01:44:33.980] [SPEAKER_14]: Also, interesting choice for a neuter noun, wouldn't you think, right?
[01:44:34.260 --> 01:44:34.700] [SPEAKER_13]: Body.
[01:44:35.340 --> 01:44:38.200] [SPEAKER_13]: Meaning it doesn't belong to any particular gender.
[01:44:39.720 --> 01:44:40.640] [SPEAKER_13]: It's neutral.
[01:44:40.640 --> 01:44:44.060] [SPEAKER_05]: You need to speak very loudly for me to be able to hear you.
[01:44:46.600 --> 01:44:55.600] [SPEAKER_13]: I'm saying that neuter, the neuter form for this noun is kind of an interesting choice for the word for body, right?
[01:44:55.760 --> 01:44:57.060] [SPEAKER_13]: That's what we're talking about in Latin.
[01:44:58.280 --> 01:44:59.360] [SPEAKER_14]: The word for what?
[01:45:00.340 --> 01:45:02.160] [SPEAKER_14]: Are you talking about corpus?
[01:45:03.260 --> 01:45:03.780] Yes.
[01:45:04.740 --> 01:45:05.120] [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[01:45:05.540 --> 01:45:05.760] [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[01:45:08.260 --> 01:45:09.180] [SPEAKER_14]: Okay, so...
[01:45:09.960 --> 01:45:12.220] [SPEAKER_14]: So we're talking about the word for body, right?
[01:45:13.440 --> 01:45:13.900] Yeah.
[01:45:14.660 --> 01:45:15.600] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, okay.
[01:45:15.980 --> 01:45:16.100] [SPEAKER_13]: Good.
[01:45:16.360 --> 01:45:16.480] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[01:45:16.740 --> 01:45:20.820] [SPEAKER_13]: But the fact that that's neutral and it's not masculine or feminine, right?
[01:45:20.900 --> 01:45:26.220] [SPEAKER_13]: You would think that in some kind of patriarchal society, that would be a masculine noun.
[01:45:26.580 --> 01:45:35.380] [SPEAKER_13]: But the fact that it's a neuter noun or a neutral noun and it's the word for body, I think this is kind of interesting, indicates some measure of equality.
[01:45:37.080 --> 01:45:48.040] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, there's not necessarily a rhyme or a reason for what a particular word is in Latin.
[01:45:50.480 --> 01:45:51.280] [SPEAKER_13]: Yes.
[01:45:51.560 --> 01:45:56.660] [SPEAKER_13]: I think a counterexample to this is a neutral noun.
[01:45:57.680 --> 01:46:07.880] [SPEAKER_13]: A counterexample to this is in Russian, the word vlagalisha is a neutral noun, and that is the word for vagina.
[01:46:08.080 --> 01:46:13.620] [SPEAKER_01]: I sent the police to you, Alex, because I'm kind of sick of this conversation and someone has to stop you.
[01:46:14.120 --> 01:46:14.320] [SPEAKER_01]: Good.
[01:46:15.200 --> 01:46:16.940] [SPEAKER_13]: We're talking about words a lot tonight.
[01:46:17.380 --> 01:46:19.380] [SPEAKER_13]: Gila was talking about etymology earlier.
[01:46:19.380 --> 01:46:25.620] [SPEAKER_13]: Now we're talking about Latin, um, Latin declensions and, and the, uh, accusative form.
[01:46:28.690 --> 01:46:29.710] [SPEAKER_14]: But, but I agree.
[01:46:29.810 --> 01:46:30.730] [SPEAKER_14]: Why don't, why don't we move on?
[01:46:30.830 --> 01:46:32.230] [SPEAKER_14]: Do you have, do you have anything else to call her?
[01:46:32.430 --> 01:46:36.690] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm sorry for annoying you with, with this.
[01:46:40.050 --> 01:46:41.010] [SPEAKER_14]: Not in the slightest.
[01:46:41.390 --> 01:46:42.390] [SPEAKER_14]: We appreciate that.
[01:46:45.070 --> 01:46:45.730] [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[01:46:46.230 --> 01:46:47.870] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, there's a lot going on there.
[01:46:48.050 --> 01:46:51.710] [SPEAKER_01]: Actually, the cops might have been on the way to her house, not yours.
[01:46:52.410 --> 01:46:53.690] [SPEAKER_01]: Because I don't hear them anymore.
[01:46:54.450 --> 01:46:55.490] [SPEAKER_01]: Unless they just arrived.
[01:46:55.650 --> 01:46:55.870] [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[01:46:56.290 --> 01:46:57.690] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, 802-3214.
[01:46:57.950 --> 01:46:58.750] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there they are.
[01:46:58.890 --> 01:46:59.210] [SPEAKER_01]: They're back.
[01:47:00.350 --> 01:47:01.510] [SPEAKER_01]: 802-3214-225.
[01:47:01.790 --> 01:47:04.390] [SPEAKER_01]: We have time for, uh, another call.
[01:47:04.510 --> 01:47:04.950] [SPEAKER_01]: Good God.
[01:47:06.110 --> 01:47:08.870] [SPEAKER_01]: Turning, turning you guys down till, uh, things calm down.
[01:47:09.510 --> 01:47:13.050] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, Gila, you seem to want to say something, but you're coming in the same channel as noisy Alex.
[01:47:14.010 --> 01:47:16.230] [SPEAKER_01]: So, uh, unless he mutes, um, okay, go ahead.
[01:47:18.150 --> 01:47:18.730] [SPEAKER_08]: No, sorry.
[01:47:18.790 --> 01:47:20.390] [SPEAKER_08]: I was just...
[01:47:20.390 --> 01:47:21.210] [SPEAKER_08]: Something going on here.
[01:47:21.310 --> 01:47:21.530] [SPEAKER_08]: We're good.
[01:47:22.610 --> 01:47:24.050] [SPEAKER_01]: Or the cops coming to your house.
[01:47:24.130 --> 01:47:24.830] [SPEAKER_01]: Is that what's going on?
[01:47:27.570 --> 01:47:28.290] [SPEAKER_01]: Never tell.
[01:47:28.530 --> 01:47:28.670] [SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[01:47:28.970 --> 01:47:29.710] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't hear cops.
[01:47:30.210 --> 01:47:30.570] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[01:47:33.330 --> 01:47:33.790] [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[01:47:33.850 --> 01:47:34.490] [SPEAKER_00]: We have...
[01:47:36.690 --> 01:47:39.070] [SPEAKER_00]: We have another call, I think.
[01:47:40.290 --> 01:47:40.650] Hello.
[01:47:42.350 --> 01:47:45.590] [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't greeted you yet, um, but, uh, yeah, go ahead.
[01:47:45.730 --> 01:47:47.270] [SPEAKER_01]: You are on off the go time.
[01:47:47.670 --> 01:47:47.870] [SPEAKER_01]: Greetings.
[01:47:48.690 --> 01:47:49.390] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, hello.
[01:47:49.610 --> 01:47:51.130] [SPEAKER_02]: I, I would have called sooner.
[01:47:51.270 --> 01:47:56.670] [SPEAKER_02]: I haven't listened in forever, and it's just inconceivable that I could get through.
[01:47:57.050 --> 01:47:59.990] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the last time I was listening, that would have been...
[01:47:59.990 --> 01:48:00.950] [SPEAKER_02]: But anyways, thank you.
[01:48:01.090 --> 01:48:01.990] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for being here.
[01:48:02.470 --> 01:48:07.730] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I, I, I have a question for you about the upcoming HOPE conference.
[01:48:07.730 --> 01:48:12.970] [SPEAKER_02]: I've been to a couple HOPEs, but I never, um, volunteered, and I was thinking about it.
[01:48:12.970 --> 01:48:22.770] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm truly, I'm not a shill, but I'm really interested in, um, what assignments I could get, or how I could, like, lean towards an assignment.
[01:48:23.510 --> 01:48:25.690] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, are you interested in anything in particular?
[01:48:27.810 --> 01:48:40.870] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, well, I, I live in New York, so I have a lot of resources in terms of, um, you know, knowing my way around and stuff, so I, I could be an asset.
[01:48:41.050 --> 01:48:48.430] [SPEAKER_02]: I just want to be an asset, so I could be an asset to people that are unfamiliar with the area, but I, I just would want to be useful, actually.
[01:48:48.650 --> 01:48:49.010] [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
[01:48:49.250 --> 01:49:02.870] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, it sounds like, uh, there are many things you can do, and being, being local is, is certainly an advantage, and I gotta tell you, you know, the only way these things succeed is through the, the hard work of volunteers, and, uh, we really need volunteers this year,
[01:49:02.890 --> 01:49:14.770] [SPEAKER_01]: because this is, uh, the first time we've done it one year after doing a previous one, and, uh, you know, with, with everything that's going on in the world, a lot of people are, are just worn out, uh, so we need, we need new people.
[01:49:14.890 --> 01:49:29.670] [SPEAKER_01]: We need a lot of new people for this to work if we're gonna keep doing this, so, uh, what I would suggest right now is to email volunteers at hope.net, uh, and, and let's get you, uh, on the radar so that, uh, we know how to contact you, and we can, uh,
[01:49:30.310 --> 01:49:35.510] [SPEAKER_01]: start, um, uh, organizing and, and, and figuring out where, you know, you can, you can work best.
[01:49:37.590 --> 01:49:38.070] [SPEAKER_02]: Outstanding.
[01:49:38.450 --> 01:49:40.190] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I'm looking forward to it.
[01:49:40.310 --> 01:49:45.890] [SPEAKER_02]: I've been to maybe the last four or five, and, uh, good time was had by all.
[01:49:45.890 --> 01:49:48.910] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you all for, uh, making yourself accessible.
[01:49:49.070 --> 01:49:50.270] [SPEAKER_02]: That's amazing to me.
[01:49:50.410 --> 01:49:51.490] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, thank you for the support.
[01:49:51.650 --> 01:49:53.310] [SPEAKER_01]: We, you know, we couldn't do it without people like you.
[01:49:54.710 --> 01:49:55.070] [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks.
[01:49:55.250 --> 01:49:55.610] [SPEAKER_01]: Peace out.
[01:49:55.810 --> 01:49:56.050] [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[01:49:56.130 --> 01:49:56.390] [SPEAKER_01]: Beware.
[01:49:57.290 --> 01:50:02.210] [SPEAKER_01]: And, uh, yeah, again, the email address, if you want to volunteer for hope, volunteers at hope.net.
[01:50:03.170 --> 01:50:07.370] [SPEAKER_01]: And, uh, the website is just hope.net, and you can see all kinds of updates there.
[01:50:07.570 --> 01:50:12.510] [SPEAKER_01]: We're, we're adding, uh, talks and speakers, uh, we're, we're processing so many.
[01:50:12.510 --> 01:50:18.230] [SPEAKER_01]: So, uh, if, if, if you don't see yours there yet, you might see it there in the, in future days or weeks.
[01:50:18.710 --> 01:50:27.210] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, and, you know, that runs up to the, um, when the conference begins, because sometimes spots open up and talks that, uh, weren't accepted suddenly get accepted.
[01:50:27.390 --> 01:50:33.350] [SPEAKER_01]: So, uh, we never say no, but, uh, we, we are open to so many different ideas and presentations.
[01:50:33.570 --> 01:50:34.550] [SPEAKER_01]: We have another phone call.
[01:50:34.650 --> 01:50:34.970] [SPEAKER_01]: Good evening.
[01:50:35.110 --> 01:50:36.470] [SPEAKER_01]: You're on Off The Hook Overtime.
[01:50:36.630 --> 01:50:36.850] [SPEAKER_01]: Go ahead.
[01:50:36.850 --> 01:50:43.210] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, hello, I've got the answer to, uh, that, uh, picture thing that, uh, the gentleman played the audio.
[01:50:43.470 --> 01:50:43.790] [SPEAKER_01]: You do?
[01:50:43.990 --> 01:50:44.190] [SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[01:50:44.290 --> 01:50:44.770] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm impressed.
[01:50:44.890 --> 01:50:45.330] [SPEAKER_01]: That was fast.
[01:50:45.570 --> 01:50:54.010] [SPEAKER_03]: That is a, that is a system which is used at amateur radio and other radio systems as well called slow scan television.
[01:50:54.310 --> 01:50:54.550] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
[01:50:54.790 --> 01:51:12.250] [SPEAKER_03]: What that is, is sending TV pictures, not fast motion TV pictures that you're used to, but one or two photographs at a time using very low bandwidth signals, like, uh, a single, the bandwidth of a single sideband signal.
[01:51:12.570 --> 01:51:28.810] [SPEAKER_03]: And, uh, that, uh, you can, in about 30 seconds to a minute, you can send a, uh, uh, low res TV picture to someone via HF shortwave circuits or even VHF, UHF as well.
[01:51:28.810 --> 01:51:37.710] [SPEAKER_03]: In other words, it's for, uh, uh, single video photographs that it's still used today in amateur radio and other systems.
[01:51:38.830 --> 01:51:44.430] [SPEAKER_12]: Can you tell us how, um, how many, like what the lines are of the raster?
[01:51:44.590 --> 01:51:46.290] [SPEAKER_12]: Like, is it 640 by 40?
[01:51:46.330 --> 01:51:51.270] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not sure of that because I don't do slow scan television, but I know what it sounds like.
[01:51:51.370 --> 01:51:56.630] [SPEAKER_03]: But the thing is you can get programs to decode that on the Internet.
[01:51:56.630 --> 01:52:05.910] [SPEAKER_03]: They're either shareware or freeware or available for a minimal cost, but there were software solutions to decode those programs.
[01:52:06.290 --> 01:52:06.430] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[01:52:06.490 --> 01:52:09.210] [SPEAKER_01]: So to be clear, you haven't actually decoded that picture yet.
[01:52:10.230 --> 01:52:12.530] [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no, but it can be done.
[01:52:13.330 --> 01:52:15.050] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I want to see somebody do it.
[01:52:15.150 --> 01:52:15.950] [SPEAKER_01]: I really do.
[01:52:16.190 --> 01:52:17.390] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we suspect it as much.
[01:52:17.610 --> 01:52:30.130] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, someone will have to get a recording of that, uh, that data dump, if you will, and just put it through the software, uh, decoder of, uh, uh, that you'll get a picture on the screen.
[01:52:30.570 --> 01:52:34.850] [SPEAKER_01]: And you can find that at our website, 2600.com/offthehook.
[01:52:34.950 --> 01:52:38.550] [SPEAKER_01]: You'll be able to grab the, uh, the data there or on the YouTube channel.
[01:52:38.650 --> 01:52:40.810] [SPEAKER_01]: I think we, uh, we have everything stored there as well.
[01:52:40.890 --> 01:52:42.610] [SPEAKER_01]: So I hope somebody is able to do that.
[01:52:42.610 --> 01:52:43.890] [SPEAKER_03]: So, okay.
[01:52:43.890 --> 01:53:00.590] [SPEAKER_03]: Also, one other thing on your phone problems, let me just ask, uh, uh, well, maybe, you know, I'm sure Kyle does what, uh, what type of Jack do you have on the, uh, the wire side of the, uh, of the interface?
[01:53:01.010 --> 01:53:05.270] [SPEAKER_03]: Is it a stereo or a mono Jack for the hybrid?
[01:53:06.170 --> 01:53:06.730] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[01:53:07.790 --> 01:53:08.510] [SPEAKER_12]: All right.
[01:53:08.670 --> 01:53:17.410] [SPEAKER_12]: Well, one uses XLR, like balanced inputs and the other is a portable one, like for like sports broadcasting made by Gentner.
[01:53:17.590 --> 01:53:28.010] [SPEAKER_12]: And it has a, I'm using the quarter inch headset Jack, uh, and running that into a channel or actually into a compressor.
[01:53:28.330 --> 01:53:29.330] [SPEAKER_03]: Is it a stereo or a mono Jack?
[01:53:29.830 --> 01:53:31.190] [SPEAKER_12]: That is a good question.
[01:53:31.550 --> 01:53:34.030] [SPEAKER_12]: Uh, the, I don't know about the plug.
[01:53:34.030 --> 01:53:35.810] [SPEAKER_12]: I'm going to assume it's a stereo plug.
[01:53:35.810 --> 01:53:39.910] [SPEAKER_12]: Um, uh, stereo Jack, and I think I have a stereo plug.
[01:53:39.970 --> 01:53:41.490] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, obviously I would assume the stereo plug on your board, correct?
[01:53:42.150 --> 01:53:42.590] [SPEAKER_12]: Yes.
[01:53:42.850 --> 01:53:46.150] [SPEAKER_12]: So, yeah, I'm using stereo connectors and it's probably stereo for the headset.
[01:53:46.330 --> 01:53:46.550] [SPEAKER_12]: Go ahead.
[01:53:47.250 --> 01:53:47.690] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[01:53:47.910 --> 01:54:00.570] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, so you can, uh, uh, if, if it is stereo, there is a way to do, uh, uh, convert that to, uh, XLR connection because an XLR connection is called a balanced connection.
[01:54:00.570 --> 01:54:12.210] [SPEAKER_03]: And what you're trying to do is insert a consumer device onto that, which is, uh, uh, not, uh, designed to match with it, but there is a hack around it.
[01:54:12.710 --> 01:54:13.310] [SPEAKER_12]: Yes.
[01:54:13.550 --> 01:54:33.270] [SPEAKER_12]: Uh, what you are describing is, um, I forget what they're called, but there are, we're actually using some of those for the output to the, to another system when we broadcast for air and we had used that early on.
[01:54:33.430 --> 01:54:53.030] [SPEAKER_12]: Actually, we were using, um, software that was going through, believe it or not, the headset jack on a smartphone and we had, um, the, the, the, uh, balanced, basically it would lift the audio, bring it up with like a capacitor or something.
[01:54:53.250 --> 01:54:54.750] [SPEAKER_12]: We're using those same connectors.
[01:54:55.090 --> 01:54:55.790] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, yeah, I understand what you're doing.
[01:54:55.990 --> 01:54:56.110] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[01:54:56.170 --> 01:54:57.190] [SPEAKER_03]: What you might also...
[01:54:57.190 --> 01:54:58.050] [SPEAKER_03]: No, we're not doing that anymore.
[01:54:58.310 --> 01:54:58.750] [SPEAKER_03]: ...inserting...
[01:54:58.750 --> 01:55:09.090] [SPEAKER_03]: The, also, the other thing about inserting the plug halfway into the, uh, into the, into the other plug to get the, the full audio, you can get an adapter.
[01:55:09.730 --> 01:55:20.390] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, stereo to mono or mono to stereo, I forgot offhand, that you could, uh, put on the end of that cable and then insert it all the way and you should not have problems.
[01:55:21.410 --> 01:55:24.170] [SPEAKER_12]: That is probably a wise solution.
[01:55:24.650 --> 01:55:25.730] [SPEAKER_12]: Um, and, yeah.
[01:55:25.990 --> 01:55:34.850] [SPEAKER_03]: That, I would suggest what you've done because I've seen, uh, I know what you're going through because I've seen situations like that in, uh, the broadcast engineering context.
[01:55:35.150 --> 01:55:52.830] [SPEAKER_12]: Well, I really appreciate your empathy and, um, yes, like it's, it's really, um, a bunch of different things and that the really difficult part is when I'm trying things to get rid of a hum without knowledge of actually what I'm trying to fix, I end up doing like five things at once and you don't really know.
[01:55:52.930 --> 01:55:57.550] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, well, you've got to literally break it down to, uh, a step-by-step procedure.
[01:55:57.850 --> 01:55:58.030] [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
[01:55:58.030 --> 01:56:14.630] [SPEAKER_03]: And also what you might have is a ground loop issue where, uh, I assume that on that board there is a, uh, a ground connection where, uh, uh, you can literally connect that to ground and eliminate, that could be another way to eliminate the hum.
[01:56:14.650 --> 01:56:15.270] [SPEAKER_12]: Understood, yeah.
[01:56:15.350 --> 01:56:17.570] [SPEAKER_12]: The board is itself not bonded.
[01:56:18.070 --> 01:56:31.850] [SPEAKER_12]: Um, it, it does have like a regular AC plug in it and it, it is itself, uh, a hand-me-down, a very old board, um, but a pretty reliable one made by, uh, Mackey, which is, uh, fantastic.
[01:56:32.250 --> 01:56:33.370] [SPEAKER_12]: Oh, I'm familiar with the Mackey stuff.
[01:56:33.630 --> 01:56:34.310] [SPEAKER_12]: Oh, yeah, definitely.
[01:56:34.790 --> 01:56:35.530] [SPEAKER_12]: They're a fantastic Washington company.
[01:56:35.550 --> 01:56:39.410] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I don't want to bore everybody else, but I figured I'd just throw that into the mix.
[01:56:39.410 --> 01:56:42.050] [SPEAKER_12]: Oh, no, we'll, we love talking about technical stuff.
[01:56:42.150 --> 01:56:43.070] [SPEAKER_12]: I'm captivated by it.
[01:56:43.290 --> 01:56:58.470] [SPEAKER_12]: It's, it's, it's fairly complex and some of it I'm paraphrasing or, or, um, you know, being a little bit general, um, for various reasons, uh, we don't want to be too specific about everything we're doing, but, uh, the one hybrid we've used before, uh,
[01:56:58.670 --> 01:57:00.470] [SPEAKER_12]: may work better.
[01:57:00.770 --> 01:57:11.590] [SPEAKER_12]: We'll, we'll keep reconfiguring it, but basically we've isolated it to the, the path that's coming back, going to the collar, um, and it may be the wrong auxiliary monitor plug.
[01:57:11.670 --> 01:57:13.510] [SPEAKER_12]: As you said, we, we could get an adapter.
[01:57:13.730 --> 01:57:19.630] [SPEAKER_12]: We will, uh, we'll have some help, I think, cause it's a little bit beyond my level of expertise with audio engineering.
[01:57:19.850 --> 01:57:24.950] [SPEAKER_12]: Um, like you said, lifting signals that are not line level and balanced inputs and stuff like that.
[01:57:25.230 --> 01:57:36.390] [SPEAKER_12]: I can do things that, you know, work in my head because it, but it's not, uh, electrically, uh, correct and being correct is, yeah, that's, that's how I started.
[01:57:36.670 --> 01:57:37.910] [SPEAKER_03]: So that's how I started.
[01:57:38.090 --> 01:57:41.350] [SPEAKER_03]: And you've got to start experimentally and do hands on.
[01:57:41.510 --> 01:57:46.350] [SPEAKER_03]: So you're doing exactly the same thing that I did when I got started in the industry.
[01:57:46.350 --> 01:57:48.230] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, this is like, I know what you're going through.
[01:57:48.590 --> 01:57:49.010] [SPEAKER_12]: Thank you.
[01:57:49.130 --> 01:57:49.570] [SPEAKER_12]: Thank you for that.
[01:57:49.670 --> 01:57:54.450] [SPEAKER_12]: It's, it's like audio wild crafting here and, uh, we're pretty good at it.
[01:57:54.530 --> 01:58:00.350] [SPEAKER_12]: We can make it, you know, work, uh, in a pinch, but it's not necessarily correct, but we'll take, uh, your comments to heart.
[01:58:00.610 --> 01:58:02.990] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I said, just trying to help out over here.
[01:58:03.130 --> 01:58:03.750] [SPEAKER_12]: Oh, absolutely.
[01:58:03.990 --> 01:58:04.690] [SPEAKER_12]: I appreciate it.
[01:58:04.790 --> 01:58:10.050] [SPEAKER_12]: Appreciate the perspective and we'll, we'll keep working it as frustrated as we sound, but you sound fantastic.
[01:58:10.190 --> 01:58:14.610] [SPEAKER_12]: And, um, and, uh, please, uh, uh, continue listening when you can.
[01:58:14.610 --> 01:58:19.430] [SPEAKER_12]: And, uh, if you have any other ideas or suggestions, you're always welcome to call.
[01:58:19.510 --> 01:58:22.630] [SPEAKER_03]: That's about it, by the way, Emmanuel, we did meet, uh, years ago.
[01:58:22.930 --> 01:58:27.590] [SPEAKER_03]: You probably won't remember me, but, uh, it was when you were at Dayton a couple of years.
[01:58:27.830 --> 01:58:28.010] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[01:58:28.410 --> 01:58:41.230] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, had a, had a, a chat with you and, uh, I'm not sure if Kyle was there, but, uh, uh, among the things that we talked about was, uh, Radio Albania back in the day.
[01:58:41.230 --> 01:58:46.310] [SPEAKER_03]: And I did some bizarre imitations of their on-air people and so on.
[01:58:46.410 --> 01:58:49.450] [SPEAKER_03]: And you, you kept asking me, can I get an air check of that?
[01:58:49.570 --> 01:58:50.510] [SPEAKER_03]: And I said, no.
[01:58:52.970 --> 01:58:53.690] [SPEAKER_01]: Radio Tirana.
[01:58:53.970 --> 01:58:54.110] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[01:58:54.410 --> 01:58:55.150] [SPEAKER_01]: I, I, I remember that.
[01:58:55.710 --> 01:58:56.110] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh.
[01:58:56.810 --> 01:58:57.070] [SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[01:58:58.230 --> 01:58:58.770] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh-oh.
[01:59:02.020 --> 01:59:02.400] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no.
[01:59:02.700 --> 01:59:03.880] [SPEAKER_01]: Did somebody lose their Internet again, or?
[01:59:04.540 --> 01:59:05.100] [SPEAKER_12]: Oh, darn.
[01:59:05.140 --> 01:59:05.900] [SPEAKER_01]: That was a good call.
[01:59:06.100 --> 01:59:06.860] [SPEAKER_01]: That was a really good call.
[01:59:12.520 --> 01:59:14.540] [SPEAKER_01]: We, we, we, we don't hear you, caller, anymore.
[01:59:16.720 --> 01:59:18.540] [SPEAKER_12]: Um, it seems to still be connected.
[01:59:18.780 --> 01:59:18.980] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[01:59:19.080 --> 01:59:22.520] [SPEAKER_01]: So maybe there's something, if you can hear me, press, press a Touch-Tone or something.
[01:59:22.580 --> 01:59:23.540] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, actually, yeah.
[01:59:24.160 --> 01:59:24.320] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh.
[01:59:24.540 --> 01:59:25.160] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we'll do that.
[01:59:25.420 --> 01:59:25.660] [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[01:59:25.720 --> 01:59:27.460] [SPEAKER_01]: That tells me that you got disconnected.
[01:59:27.800 --> 01:59:30.980] [SPEAKER_01]: So let's give him a chance to call back, because I wanted to hear the end of that conversation.
[01:59:31.680 --> 01:59:32.520] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, and, um.
[01:59:33.840 --> 01:59:34.760] [SPEAKER_12]: Great suggestions, though.
[01:59:34.780 --> 01:59:34.960] [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah.
[01:59:34.960 --> 01:59:36.400] [SPEAKER_12]: And I really appreciate the expertise.
[01:59:36.560 --> 01:59:38.700] [SPEAKER_01]: I was trying to remember the, the Dayton conversation.
[01:59:39.460 --> 01:59:40.740] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, yes.
[01:59:40.920 --> 01:59:41.500] [SPEAKER_01]: Rob, go ahead.
[01:59:42.080 --> 01:59:48.840] [SPEAKER_11]: Uh, while we're waiting for, uh, that callback, um, just, uh, shout that, uh, 2600 meetings are happening this Friday all over the world.
[01:59:48.980 --> 01:59:50.680] [SPEAKER_11]: Go to 2600.com/meetings.
[01:59:51.120 --> 02:00:03.000] [SPEAKER_11]: And, uh, also a shout out to Dr. 47 over on Mastodon, who was able to pull out, uh, most of the picture that was broadcast over, uh, SSTV on this, uh, on, on this session.
[02:00:03.180 --> 02:00:03.380] [SPEAKER_11]: Really?
[02:00:03.760 --> 02:00:17.660] [SPEAKER_11]: Um, yeah, it's, uh, it's been, uh, boosted by the Off The Hook Mastodon, and you can see it's some sort of, uh, cartoon character, um, not all the details are visible, but it's very cool that that was sent over the audio of this YouTube stream.
[02:00:17.900 --> 02:00:18.120] [SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[02:00:18.380 --> 02:00:18.620] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[02:00:18.660 --> 02:00:19.340] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I want to see that.
[02:00:19.400 --> 02:00:21.320] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe, uh, maybe somebody can display it.
[02:00:21.660 --> 02:00:22.840] [SPEAKER_01]: And, uh, we have a callback.
[02:00:22.880 --> 02:00:23.180] [SPEAKER_01]: Hello?
[02:00:23.340 --> 02:00:24.020] [SPEAKER_01]: Is this the same caller?
[02:00:25.800 --> 02:00:26.240] [SPEAKER_01]: Hello?
[02:00:26.380 --> 02:00:26.780] [SPEAKER_01]: Can you hear me?
[02:00:27.600 --> 02:00:27.880] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[02:00:28.080 --> 02:00:28.940] [SPEAKER_03]: Now, this should be better.
[02:00:29.040 --> 02:00:30.420] [SPEAKER_03]: We got cut off for some reason.
[02:00:30.440 --> 02:00:31.280] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, something happened.
[02:00:31.420 --> 02:00:32.500] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad you called back.
[02:00:33.940 --> 02:00:34.380] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[02:00:34.500 --> 02:00:56.160] [SPEAKER_03]: But, uh, what happened was that, uh, we got talking about shortwave and, uh, back then, and, uh, uh, I was talking about Radio Tirana back in the day with the very stilted, the way that their announcers handled things, and, uh, you know, that this one woman who was classically weird,
[02:00:56.440 --> 02:01:21.720] [SPEAKER_03]: she would come on and do things like, uh, she sounded like she had no personality at all, and, uh, she would come on and talk about, uh, things like, uh, uh, the, uh, the imperialist United States would do this and this and that, and the glorious Albanian people run by dictator Enver Hoxha are the greatest people in the world.
[02:01:21.840 --> 02:01:22.060] [SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
[02:01:22.160 --> 02:01:26.680] [SPEAKER_03]: And you running dogs of American imperialism do not like this.
[02:01:26.820 --> 02:01:28.520] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's, that's what she sounded like.
[02:01:28.560 --> 02:01:29.740] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's what she said, too.
[02:01:29.920 --> 02:01:30.520] [SPEAKER_01]: Things like that.
[02:01:30.580 --> 02:01:31.700] [SPEAKER_01]: You got the names right and everything.
[02:01:31.880 --> 02:01:32.540] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, definitely.
[02:01:33.100 --> 02:01:33.500] [SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[02:01:33.820 --> 02:01:35.280] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, that's about it.
[02:01:36.760 --> 02:01:39.060] [SPEAKER_01]: I, I, you know, I, I, I must remember that conversation.
[02:01:39.060 --> 02:01:46.400] [SPEAKER_01]: I probably told you of the time I went to Canada and, uh, called Radio, uh, Tirana from Canada because you weren't allowed to call.
[02:01:46.420 --> 02:01:47.660] [SPEAKER_03]: No, you, no, you didn't tell me that.
[02:01:47.780 --> 02:01:48.680] [SPEAKER_01]: You didn't tell me that.
[02:01:48.720 --> 02:01:51.760] [SPEAKER_01]: You could not call Albania from the United States back then.
[02:01:52.080 --> 02:02:06.540] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, so I actually went, when I was going to Canada for other reasons, uh, I, in a hotel room, I was able to place a call to Radio Tirana and I was able to communicate to them my address and ask them to send me a QR code, uh, not QR code.
[02:02:06.540 --> 02:02:07.440] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, QSL card.
[02:02:07.640 --> 02:02:09.180] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, and they did, they did.
[02:02:09.240 --> 02:02:12.140] [SPEAKER_01]: Like a month later, I got something in the mail from Radio Tirana.
[02:02:12.240 --> 02:02:12.780] [SPEAKER_01]: It was amazing.
[02:02:13.960 --> 02:02:23.240] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, that, that is truly bizarre because that, that was one of the strangest Stalinist Cold War relic radio stations of the period.
[02:02:23.640 --> 02:02:27.040] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you'll be happy to know that, um, Radio Pyongyang is still on the air.
[02:02:27.300 --> 02:02:28.880] [SPEAKER_01]: They still have interval signals.
[02:02:29.020 --> 02:02:31.880] [SPEAKER_01]: You can hear them on shortwave and it's just like nothing has changed.
[02:02:32.480 --> 02:02:33.900] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah, I'm aware of that.
[02:02:35.580 --> 02:02:35.980] [SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[02:02:36.240 --> 02:02:37.480] [SPEAKER_01]: May I ask where you're based?
[02:02:38.380 --> 02:02:40.120] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm based in Northern New Jersey.
[02:02:40.440 --> 02:02:40.640] [SPEAKER_01]: Cool.
[02:02:41.080 --> 02:02:48.080] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it was a pleasure talking and, uh, hopefully we, we see you, uh, at Hope or other events in the future and, uh, hear from you on the phone as well.
[02:02:48.740 --> 02:02:49.140] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[02:02:49.280 --> 02:02:49.640] [SPEAKER_01]: Take care.
[02:02:49.700 --> 02:02:50.280] [SPEAKER_01]: Have a good day.
[02:02:50.400 --> 02:02:50.600] [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[02:02:50.700 --> 02:02:50.980] [SPEAKER_01]: Be well.
[02:02:52.520 --> 02:02:53.340] [SPEAKER_01]: That was awesome.
[02:02:53.580 --> 02:02:54.300] [SPEAKER_01]: That was awesome.
[02:02:55.160 --> 02:02:56.220] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's going to do it.
[02:02:56.500 --> 02:02:56.780] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[02:02:58.300 --> 02:03:00.520] [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, Kyle, for, for making all that possible.
[02:03:00.780 --> 02:03:01.800] [SPEAKER_01]: It's your hard work.
[02:03:01.980 --> 02:03:02.240] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[02:03:02.360 --> 02:03:02.780] [SPEAKER_00]: Good job.
[02:03:02.940 --> 02:03:03.140] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[02:03:03.420 --> 02:03:04.320] [SPEAKER_00]: My displeasure.
[02:03:04.460 --> 02:03:05.160] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, him applause.
[02:03:05.340 --> 02:03:07.240] [SPEAKER_01]: And everybody out online should be applauding right now.
[02:03:07.460 --> 02:03:08.160] [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no, no.
[02:03:08.240 --> 02:03:15.140] [SPEAKER_01]: Stand on, on your front porches and blow air horns and cheer because the engineers of the world are what get things done.
[02:03:16.720 --> 02:03:17.120] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[02:03:17.420 --> 02:03:19.260] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, any final words from, from folks here?
[02:03:19.420 --> 02:03:20.620] [SPEAKER_12]: I do do a lot of engineering.
[02:03:20.840 --> 02:03:21.180] [SPEAKER_01]: You do.
[02:03:21.380 --> 02:03:23.020] [SPEAKER_01]: And, and, and you hate it.
[02:03:23.100 --> 02:03:25.080] [SPEAKER_01]: You hate engineering, but he does it anyway.
[02:03:25.280 --> 02:03:25.500] [SPEAKER_12]: Um,
[02:03:29.470 --> 02:03:30.510] [SPEAKER_00]: No final words, anyone?
[02:03:30.690 --> 02:03:31.210] [SPEAKER_00]: I had fun.
[02:03:31.330 --> 02:03:32.030] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was fun.
[02:03:32.210 --> 02:03:32.350] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.
[02:03:33.190 --> 02:03:34.050] [SPEAKER_11]: This, this was cool.
[02:03:34.170 --> 02:03:37.510] [SPEAKER_11]: Thank you to everyone out there for bearing with us while we, uh, figure shit out.
[02:03:37.710 --> 02:03:40.410] [SPEAKER_08]: And, but seriously, everybody was sounding great.
[02:03:40.690 --> 02:03:40.950] [SPEAKER_11]: Yes.
[02:03:41.590 --> 02:03:41.950] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[02:03:42.030 --> 02:03:44.850] [SPEAKER_01]: We'll try to make it sound better for next time, but I'm happy with this.
[02:03:45.210 --> 02:03:46.050] [SPEAKER_12]: It'll get better.
[02:03:46.250 --> 02:03:52.730] [SPEAKER_12]: It's just a lot of, a lot of equipment, a lot of moving parts and older stuff and newer stuff.
[02:03:58.830 --> 02:04:00.970] [SPEAKER_01]: Anyone on the, uh, who called in today was on a landline.
[02:04:01.210 --> 02:04:02.770] [SPEAKER_01]: I, you know, I think it's quite possible.
[02:04:02.870 --> 02:04:03.530] [SPEAKER_01]: Ham radio people.
[02:04:03.670 --> 02:04:04.530] [SPEAKER_01]: I know they're on landlines.
[02:04:04.530 --> 02:04:04.890] [SPEAKER_12]: You're right.
[02:04:05.030 --> 02:04:05.210] [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah.
[02:04:05.390 --> 02:04:05.450] [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah.
[02:04:06.470 --> 02:04:06.670] [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
[02:04:07.250 --> 02:04:07.870] [SPEAKER_01]: Something to think about.
[02:04:08.290 --> 02:04:09.350] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you can write to us.
[02:04:09.530 --> 02:04:11.410] [SPEAKER_01]: oth@2600.com.
[02:04:11.410 --> 02:04:23.630] [SPEAKER_01]: We'd love to hear from you, uh, praise, criticism, uh, new information, anything, uh, more info on hope, hope.net, uh, please, uh, um, visit, contribute, be, uh, be a part of it.
[02:04:23.910 --> 02:04:26.690] [SPEAKER_01]: We, uh, it's, it's, it's a lot of fun.
[02:04:26.830 --> 02:04:32.350] [SPEAKER_01]: August, uh, 15th through 17th, I believe, right in, uh, in Queens at St. John's university.
[02:04:32.590 --> 02:04:32.990] [SPEAKER_12]: Yes.
[02:04:33.190 --> 02:04:38.130] [SPEAKER_12]: And, uh, the date in the middle is 16th, 16th as hope 16th.
[02:04:38.210 --> 02:04:41.390] [SPEAKER_12]: So you get, you get that it's, it's the middle of the conversation.
[02:04:41.410 --> 02:04:42.170] [SPEAKER_12]: Okay.
[02:04:42.310 --> 02:04:43.790] [SPEAKER_01]: No one ever mentioned that before, but you're right.
[02:04:43.970 --> 02:04:44.050] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[02:04:44.150 --> 02:04:47.030] [SPEAKER_01]: The 16 is in the middle, right in the middle of those three days.
[02:04:47.050 --> 02:04:49.590] [SPEAKER_01]: We named it hope 16 because it's the 16th conference.
[02:04:49.710 --> 02:04:49.870] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[02:04:50.590 --> 02:04:51.690] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, that works too.
[02:04:52.090 --> 02:04:55.710] [SPEAKER_12]: I implore people to communicate and don't give up.
[02:04:58.600 --> 02:04:59.220] [SPEAKER_12]: That's it.
[02:04:59.540 --> 02:05:01.420] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no one said anything.
[02:05:01.660 --> 02:05:02.040] [SPEAKER_12]: Don't give up.
[02:05:02.620 --> 02:05:02.860] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[02:05:02.880 --> 02:05:04.300] [SPEAKER_01]: So that means communicate people.
[02:05:04.420 --> 02:05:05.760] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, speak and say stuff.
[02:05:05.880 --> 02:05:06.580] [SPEAKER_12]: Please communicate.
[02:05:06.580 --> 02:05:08.260] [SPEAKER_12]: Cause that's really lagging.
[02:05:08.260 --> 02:05:19.560] [SPEAKER_12]: And, and I think people, uh, are forgetting the power of understanding and, um, and how easy it is to reach out or to share what you're thinking.
[02:05:19.840 --> 02:05:32.400] [SPEAKER_12]: And, um, one, one to one communication or talking to many people like you are here by calling in and broadcasting or sharing your thoughts over email, whatever it is, do it.
[02:05:32.620 --> 02:05:38.920] [SPEAKER_12]: Don't, don't restrain yourself and, and don't forget, you know, your words matter and people are listening.
[02:05:38.920 --> 02:05:40.340] [SPEAKER_12]: People want to hear you.
[02:05:40.600 --> 02:05:43.720] [SPEAKER_12]: Um, and they know you have something to say.
[02:05:43.940 --> 02:06:01.680] [SPEAKER_12]: And just above all in, in all of this, technically, if you're taking on, we know you're taking on, uh, challenges, if, if you're trying new things, if you're, um, pushing yourself and you're outside of your comfort zone, whatever you do, just don't give up.
[02:06:04.060 --> 02:06:04.540] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[02:06:05.660 --> 02:06:06.160] [SPEAKER_01]: Go ahead, Rob.
[02:06:06.940 --> 02:06:11.520] [SPEAKER_11]: And, uh, just a shout out there to wherever applicable, whoever needs to hear it.
[02:06:11.620 --> 02:06:12.600] [SPEAKER_11]: Happy pride month.
[02:06:12.880 --> 02:06:14.260] [SPEAKER_11]: Uh, remember Stonewall was a riot.
[02:06:15.940 --> 02:06:16.660] [SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
[02:06:16.860 --> 02:06:18.920] [SPEAKER_01]: We could use a, a few more of those, I think.
[02:06:19.440 --> 02:06:19.980] [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[02:06:21.300 --> 02:06:21.720] [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[02:06:21.840 --> 02:06:22.760] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's going to do it for us.
[02:06:22.900 --> 02:06:23.840] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, Alex, do you have something to do?
[02:06:23.900 --> 02:06:24.520] [SPEAKER_01]: Your hand is up.
[02:06:24.520 --> 02:06:25.580] [SPEAKER_13]: No, I just want to say good night.
[02:06:26.020 --> 02:06:26.300] [SPEAKER_13]: Okay.
[02:06:26.420 --> 02:06:26.640] [SPEAKER_13]: Good night, everybody.
[02:06:27.180 --> 02:06:28.000] [SPEAKER_13]: See you all next week.
[02:06:28.280 --> 02:06:28.560] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[02:06:29.280 --> 02:06:29.560] [SPEAKER_01]: Bye.