Off The Hook - 2025-07-02

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[02:19.770 --> 02:21.830]  [SPEAKER_09]: And a very good evening to everybody.
[02:21.910 --> 02:23.830]  [SPEAKER_09]: The program is off the hook.
[02:24.630 --> 02:27.090]  [SPEAKER_09]: Emmanuel Goldstein here with you on this Wednesday evening.
[02:27.330 --> 02:28.530]  [SPEAKER_09]: Joined tonight by Kyle.
[02:29.070 --> 02:30.470]  [SPEAKER_12]: Barely within reach.
[02:30.810 --> 02:34.890]  [SPEAKER_09]: And in Signal-land, we have Rob T.
[02:34.990 --> 02:35.430]  [SPEAKER_09]: Firefly.
[02:36.230 --> 02:37.130]  [SPEAKER_09]: Good evening.
[02:37.410 --> 02:38.110]  [SPEAKER_09]: We have Gila.
[02:38.610 --> 02:39.270]  [SPEAKER_09]: Good evening.
[02:39.550 --> 02:41.090]  [SPEAKER_09]: And we have Alex.
[02:42.050 --> 02:43.330]  [SPEAKER_13]: You do, good evening.
[02:43.870 --> 02:46.010]  [SPEAKER_09]: Best Canada Day ever.
[02:46.450 --> 02:47.470]  [SPEAKER_09]: That's all I'm going to say.
[02:48.250 --> 02:53.930]  [SPEAKER_09]: But now we're back in America and we have business to take care of and all kinds of fun things to talk about.
[02:54.330 --> 02:58.810]  [SPEAKER_09]: You know, last week, I brought up the ice tracker I have on my phone.
[02:59.390 --> 03:04.390]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's put out by these people called Ice Lift Forward, Long Island Ice Tracker.
[03:04.590 --> 03:08.170]  [SPEAKER_09]: And I don't know what it is, but it's exploded over the last few days.
[03:08.970 --> 03:14.810]  [SPEAKER_09]: I think ice is as active as ever, but I think there are more people looking for ice now.
[03:14.810 --> 03:21.370]  [SPEAKER_09]: Today, for instance, I saw a number of reports from Bayshore, New York, Uniondale, New York.
[03:21.470 --> 03:24.570]  [SPEAKER_09]: They say that they were conducting a traffic stop.
[03:25.550 --> 03:33.930]  [SPEAKER_09]: Now, ice does not have the authority to do that, to stop all cars and demand to see your papers.
[03:34.810 --> 03:42.330]  [SPEAKER_09]: So, do not comply if anybody in camouflage and a mask approaches your car.
[03:42.770 --> 03:49.430]  [SPEAKER_09]: You know, if you see that, I would speed away because it sounds to me like you're about to be carjacked.
[03:49.430 --> 04:01.570]  [SPEAKER_09]: In fact, we are living in a crazy time where people seem to think they can get away with anything just because they have the mobster in charge of the country telling them it's okay.
[04:01.570 --> 04:02.170]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's not.
[04:03.170 --> 04:06.630]  [SPEAKER_09]: And, you know, something else really fascinating has happened, too.
[04:07.450 --> 04:08.650]  [SPEAKER_09]: There's another app.
[04:08.730 --> 04:13.770]  [SPEAKER_09]: I imagine there are a lot of apps, but this one has started getting attention as of the last day or so.
[04:13.810 --> 04:14.910]  [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know if you guys have heard about this.
[04:15.870 --> 04:18.450]  [SPEAKER_09]: But this particular app is called Ice Block.
[04:18.930 --> 04:21.430]  [SPEAKER_09]: And it has more than 20,000 users.
[04:21.610 --> 04:23.530]  [SPEAKER_09]: I expect it's going to have a lot more than that soon.
[04:24.070 --> 04:30.210]  [SPEAKER_09]: It seems to be focused on Los Angeles, mostly, which is certainly needed at this point.
[04:30.530 --> 04:33.510]  [SPEAKER_09]: And it's put out by this guy named Joshua Aaron.
[04:33.510 --> 04:37.250]  [SPEAKER_09]: And he's been getting a lot of media attention in the last couple of days.
[04:37.310 --> 04:40.290]  [SPEAKER_09]: In fact, I understand Christine Noem even shouted him out.
[04:41.350 --> 04:41.830]  [SPEAKER_09]: No?
[04:42.230 --> 04:42.710]  [SPEAKER_09]: Just shouted?
[04:42.990 --> 04:43.350]  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
[04:43.850 --> 04:44.470]  [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, I'm sorry.
[04:44.530 --> 04:44.990]  [SPEAKER_09]: I had that wrong.
[04:45.110 --> 04:45.290]  [SPEAKER_09]: All right.
[04:45.290 --> 04:46.650]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, yeah.
[04:47.050 --> 04:49.030]  [SPEAKER_09]: Now, according to the CNN story...
[04:49.030 --> 04:49.710]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yes, that's right.
[04:49.810 --> 04:50.210]  [SPEAKER_09]: CNN.
[04:50.750 --> 04:54.370]  [SPEAKER_09]: He has worked in and around the tech industry for around two decades.
[04:55.050 --> 04:55.450]  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
[04:55.490 --> 04:56.450]  [SPEAKER_09]: So we must know him, right?
[04:56.470 --> 04:57.810]  [SPEAKER_09]: We know everybody in the tech industry.
[04:58.570 --> 05:01.250]  [SPEAKER_09]: He built his first app, a blackjack game.
[05:01.250 --> 05:02.110]  [SPEAKER_09]: Now I know we know him.
[05:02.570 --> 05:04.970]  [SPEAKER_09]: At a computer camp when he was 13 years old.
[05:05.070 --> 05:06.570]  [SPEAKER_09]: And that must have been a fun computer camp.
[05:06.570 --> 05:10.430]  [SPEAKER_09]: His newest app is designed for a very different purpose.
[05:10.430 --> 05:17.870]  [SPEAKER_09]: To let users alert people nearby to sightings of immigration and custom enforcement agents in their area.
[05:18.450 --> 05:28.450]  [SPEAKER_09]: Now, Aaron launched the platform called IceBlock way back in early April after watching Trump's administration begin its immigration crackdown.
[05:28.950 --> 05:35.430]  [SPEAKER_09]: Now, as you know, the White House's immigration policies have sparked mass protests across the United States.
[05:36.090 --> 05:42.570]  [SPEAKER_09]: And, you know, something about those protests that took place fairly recently that got millions of people out into the street.
[05:42.710 --> 05:44.670]  [SPEAKER_09]: Did you notice how many American flags there were?
[05:44.770 --> 05:45.350]  [SPEAKER_09]: A lot.
[05:45.530 --> 06:00.450]  [SPEAKER_09]: And this is something that I've been saying for many, many years, is that when you demonstrate about something, unless you actually want to dismantle the country or break away from it or something like that, wave the flag because it doesn't belong to the people that are trying to destroy the country.
[06:00.670 --> 06:02.510]  [SPEAKER_09]: It belongs to all of us.
[06:02.510 --> 06:07.570]  [SPEAKER_09]: And I think somebody got the message because that was a theme throughout.
[06:07.570 --> 06:14.630]  [SPEAKER_09]: No matter where you looked at demonstrations, you know, the No Kings demonstrations back in June, you saw flags.
[06:14.650 --> 06:17.710]  [SPEAKER_09]: And I think that's how you win people over.
[06:17.830 --> 06:26.010]  [SPEAKER_09]: That's how you get more people to realize that you're not a bunch of lunatics, that you're actually speaking sense, and that maybe I should listen to more things that you say.
[06:26.670 --> 06:31.250]  [SPEAKER_09]: Anyway, IceBlock currently has more than 20,000 users, as mentioned.
[06:32.230 --> 06:38.070]  [SPEAKER_09]: Now, Aaron said, when I saw what was happening in this country, I wanted to do something to fight back.
[06:39.210 --> 06:44.170]  [SPEAKER_09]: He said the deportation efforts, to him, were reminiscent of Nazi Germany.
[06:44.350 --> 06:47.030]  [SPEAKER_09]: We're literally watching history repeat itself.
[06:47.770 --> 06:52.790]  [SPEAKER_09]: Now, IceBlock is designed to be an early warning system for users when ICE is operating nearby.
[06:52.790 --> 07:02.390]  [SPEAKER_09]: Um, Aaron said users can add a pin on a map showing where they spotted agents, along with optional notes, like what officers were wearing, what kind of car they were driving.
[07:02.990 --> 07:08.730]  [SPEAKER_09]: Other users within a five-mile radius will then receive a push alert, notifying them of the sighting.
[07:09.250 --> 07:17.570]  [SPEAKER_09]: Uh, now, he said he hopes these notifications will help people avoid interactions with ICE, noting that he does not want users to interfere with the agency's operations.
[07:17.830 --> 07:18.730]  [SPEAKER_09]: And neither do we.
[07:18.850 --> 07:21.730]  [SPEAKER_09]: We don't want people to get, uh, get hurt, get in trouble, anything like that.
[07:21.730 --> 07:22.410]  [SPEAKER_09]: Just be aware.
[07:22.750 --> 07:27.010]  [SPEAKER_09]: Um, the app provides a similar warning when users log a sighting.
[07:27.150 --> 07:30.810]  [SPEAKER_09]: Please note that the use of this app is for information and notification purposes only.
[07:31.050 --> 07:36.210]  [SPEAKER_09]: It is not to be used for the purposes of inciting violence or interfering with law enforcement.
[07:36.730 --> 07:40.150]  [SPEAKER_09]: Now, ICE did not respond to CNN's request for comment.
[07:40.230 --> 07:41.190]  [SPEAKER_09]: You know, I don't know.
[07:41.550 --> 07:42.330]  [SPEAKER_09]: Try this.
[07:42.610 --> 07:43.450]  [SPEAKER_09]: Go out.
[07:43.650 --> 07:46.510]  [SPEAKER_09]: Uh, look at YouTube where they post a lot of, uh, news clips.
[07:46.510 --> 07:48.550]  [SPEAKER_09]: Or any local TV station.
[07:49.210 --> 07:59.450]  [SPEAKER_09]: They will always try to contact ICE about something that happened, about raids or about crackdowns or intimidation tactics or anything like that.
[07:59.890 --> 08:08.770]  [SPEAKER_09]: And literally 100% of the stories I've seen, I must have seen a couple of hundred stories, they have said, we tried to contact ICE and they did not respond.
[08:08.770 --> 08:10.670]  [SPEAKER_09]: They never respond.
[08:10.910 --> 08:16.330]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's like this, um, this scary monolithic force of, of masked.
[08:17.350 --> 08:18.990]  [SPEAKER_09]: I don't even know if they're human.
[08:20.250 --> 08:23.310]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, you know, you don't really, because they, you never see their faces.
[08:23.310 --> 08:24.610]  [SPEAKER_09]: You never see their faces.
[08:24.750 --> 08:25.590]  [SPEAKER_09]: You don't know their names.
[08:25.670 --> 08:34.150]  [SPEAKER_09]: You know nothing about them, but they're out there grabbing people, throwing them into unmarked vans and disappearing them in this country right now.
[08:35.010 --> 08:38.970]  [SPEAKER_09]: So, yeah, um, yeah, they never respond.
[08:38.970 --> 08:40.170]  [SPEAKER_09]: They never comment.
[08:40.490 --> 08:41.690]  [SPEAKER_09]: They're just there.
[08:41.930 --> 08:42.850]  [SPEAKER_09]: And then they're gone.
[08:44.350 --> 08:48.410]  [SPEAKER_09]: Now, um, they do release, uh, press statements.
[08:48.570 --> 09:07.490]  [SPEAKER_09]: And on Monday, ICE acting director Todd Lyons released a statement criticizing the report I just read and saying that ICE block basically paints a target on federal law enforcement officers backs, and that officers and agents are already facing a 500% increase in assaults.
[09:09.070 --> 09:09.830]  [SPEAKER_09]: Haven't seen any.
[09:10.030 --> 09:10.590]  [SPEAKER_09]: Haven't heard of any.
[09:10.710 --> 09:18.910]  [SPEAKER_09]: Seen a lot of assaults of, uh, individuals walking down the street, going to work, coming home from work, going to school, coming home from school, trying to take care of their kids.
[09:20.070 --> 09:23.950]  [SPEAKER_09]: You know, the criminals that Trump was talking about, all those people that we need to be sheltered from.
[09:24.550 --> 09:26.370]  [SPEAKER_09]: I've seen a lot of assaults on them.
[09:31.150 --> 09:54.710]  [SPEAKER_09]: We have to deal with the consequences in one way or another, whether it's our favorite restaurant closing, whether it's a fear of having masked men running down the street, grabbing people, whether it's a fear for a friend, a neighbor, family member, losing everything because of where they came from.
[09:54.710 --> 09:58.110]  [SPEAKER_09]: Um, we all have to deal with that.
[09:59.010 --> 10:06.190]  [SPEAKER_09]: Now, uh, something else that, um, I find to be an annoyance is that this app is only available on iOS.
[10:06.910 --> 10:19.070]  [SPEAKER_09]: And the reason for that is its developer, um, says the app would have to collect information that could ultimately put users at risk to provide the same experience on Android.
[10:20.470 --> 10:21.050]  [SPEAKER_09]: Really?
[10:21.050 --> 10:23.410]  [SPEAKER_09]: No one's figured out a way to keep that from happening.
[10:23.690 --> 10:29.970]  [SPEAKER_09]: Android, you know, developed by Google, supposedly the, the people that, uh, have privacy in mind and Apple maybe didn't.
[10:30.510 --> 10:32.350]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, things certainly have changed, haven't they?
[10:33.110 --> 10:42.130]  [SPEAKER_09]: Reassuring users of those privacy protections will likely be key to growing IceBlock's user base, given how the government is building a database to aid in its deportation efforts.
[10:42.390 --> 10:44.370]  [SPEAKER_09]: We're going to get to databases in a minute.
[10:45.150 --> 10:49.890]  [SPEAKER_09]: We don't want anybody's device ID, IP address, location, said Aaron.
[10:49.890 --> 10:52.490]  [SPEAKER_09]: We don't want anything being discoverable.
[10:52.750 --> 10:57.170]  [SPEAKER_09]: And so this is 100% anonymous and free for anyone who wants to use it.
[10:57.250 --> 10:59.090]  [SPEAKER_09]: If we don't know this guy, shame on us.
[10:59.730 --> 11:04.870]  [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, this is just so awesome and amazing and dare I say patriotic.
[11:05.850 --> 11:14.890]  [SPEAKER_09]: Although IceBlock has no surefire way of guaranteeing the accuracy of user reports, Aaron says he's built safeguards to prevent users from spamming the platform with fake sightings.
[11:14.970 --> 11:15.790]  [SPEAKER_09]: That is a real concern.
[11:15.790 --> 11:23.010]  [SPEAKER_09]: And users can only report a sighting within five miles of their location, and they can only report once every five minutes.
[11:24.350 --> 11:26.830]  [SPEAKER_09]: Reports are automatically deleted after four hours.
[11:27.890 --> 11:33.410]  [SPEAKER_09]: He says he has no plans to monetize the free app, but rather wants it to be a service to the community.
[11:34.730 --> 11:45.090]  [SPEAKER_09]: Now, his work on IceBlock stands in contrast to the support that some leaders in Silicon Valley have shown to Trump, including donating to and attending his inauguration.
[11:45.690 --> 11:49.150]  [SPEAKER_09]: Some companies have also announced investments in expanding their U.S.
[11:49.230 --> 11:52.790]  [SPEAKER_09]: presence following the president's push for domestic tech manufacturing.
[11:53.610 --> 11:55.870]  [SPEAKER_09]: Aaron said, I think I would say grow a backbone.
[11:56.070 --> 11:57.510]  [SPEAKER_09]: It can't just be about the money.
[11:57.970 --> 12:00.490]  [SPEAKER_09]: I understand that you have shareholders to report to.
[12:00.610 --> 12:03.450]  [SPEAKER_09]: I understand that you have employees that need their paychecks.
[12:03.450 --> 12:05.990]  [SPEAKER_09]: But at one point, do you say, enough is enough?
[12:07.510 --> 12:07.870]  [SPEAKER_09]: Wow.
[12:08.690 --> 12:09.730]  [SPEAKER_09]: That is admirable.
[12:09.810 --> 12:10.470]  [SPEAKER_09]: That is amazing.
[12:10.630 --> 12:12.830]  [SPEAKER_09]: That is so inspirational.
[12:13.430 --> 12:15.010]  [SPEAKER_09]: And I hope it's only the beginning.
[12:16.270 --> 12:18.610]  [SPEAKER_09]: And I really hope we know this guy, because, boy, he sounds cool.
[12:19.190 --> 12:19.850]  [SPEAKER_09]: Rob, go ahead.
[12:21.270 --> 12:21.630]  [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.
[12:22.870 --> 12:33.110]  [SPEAKER_11]: Not too long ago, we were talking about what we in the hacker community could be doing to make things better in the current situations that we're all facing and that we're all afraid of.
[12:33.390 --> 12:35.610]  [SPEAKER_11]: And I think this is a shining example of that.
[12:36.790 --> 12:42.910]  [SPEAKER_11]: I do think that if this developer does not want to make a version for Android, there is someone out there who can.
[12:43.090 --> 12:44.150]  [SPEAKER_11]: There is someone out there who should.
[12:44.370 --> 12:49.990]  [SPEAKER_11]: There are countless people out there who could collaborate on something like this that is open-source, that could be cross-platform.
[12:50.650 --> 12:53.630]  [SPEAKER_11]: I want to see more work along these lines.
[12:53.630 --> 13:01.890]  [SPEAKER_11]: You know, we never want to hang all our hopes on just one thing that, you know, one person is behind, because that is not fair to the users.
[13:02.010 --> 13:02.970]  [SPEAKER_11]: That's not fair to the developer.
[13:03.270 --> 13:05.570]  [SPEAKER_11]: I want to see just more things like this out there.
[13:05.850 --> 13:13.990]  [SPEAKER_11]: And I want there to be so many out there that if one gets knocked off an app store or otherwise deactivated, there are others to take its place.
[13:15.070 --> 13:15.790]  [SPEAKER_13]: Go ahead, Alex.
[13:17.450 --> 13:18.890]  [SPEAKER_13]: I second what Rob is saying.
[13:18.970 --> 13:29.430]  [SPEAKER_13]: I think this is such a great example of what the hacker community can do in terms of bringing people together, sharing data, sharing information, sharing intelligence amongst the community is really extraordinary.
[13:30.590 --> 13:33.950]  [SPEAKER_13]: I'm really wondering what the hell's going on with Android, though.
[13:34.090 --> 13:35.690]  [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, there are...
[13:35.690 --> 13:42.230]  [SPEAKER_13]: There's like an erector set of privacy-enhancing technologies out there that should be able to shield this data in some way to protect people.
[13:42.310 --> 13:49.350]  [SPEAKER_13]: And I feel like we're leaving out a very vulnerable slice of the population there that utilizes Android.
[13:49.350 --> 13:53.750]  [SPEAKER_13]: Androids, not everybody that can afford a brand new iPhone or even an old iPhone.
[13:54.030 --> 13:58.530]  [SPEAKER_13]: And so Androids, I think, are really quite popular in the immigrant community.
[13:58.710 --> 14:02.350]  [SPEAKER_13]: So I think somebody should get to work on this.
[14:02.470 --> 14:04.590]  [SPEAKER_13]: I'm really not entirely sure what the problem is.
[14:05.050 --> 14:15.910]  [SPEAKER_13]: But one other thing I want to say, Emmanuel, also I applaud your sentiment of taking back the flag here from the right, who was just trying to usurp it.
[14:16.210 --> 14:26.650]  [SPEAKER_13]: And to go back to that point, I mean, for many, many years, I have always flown a flag at my home, wherever I am, whether it's in Vermont, D.C., Pennsylvania, New York, doesn't matter.
[14:26.930 --> 14:30.090]  [SPEAKER_13]: And I've even had people come over to me, revisiting from D.C.
[14:30.150 --> 14:32.450]  [SPEAKER_13]: and say, you know, why do you have the flag up?
[14:33.250 --> 14:35.330]  [SPEAKER_13]: And I said, what do you mean, why do I have the flag up?
[14:35.390 --> 14:37.550]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, aren't you afraid people are going to think you're a Republican?
[14:37.550 --> 14:39.290]  [SPEAKER_13]: I said, absolutely not.
[14:39.410 --> 14:42.390]  [SPEAKER_13]: You know, if you give up the flag, the battle is over.
[14:42.590 --> 14:43.590]  [SPEAKER_13]: Then it's lost.
[14:43.810 --> 14:46.030]  [SPEAKER_13]: You know, the flag belongs to all of us.
[14:46.110 --> 14:47.790]  [SPEAKER_13]: And I think we all need to fly it.
[14:47.850 --> 14:49.790]  [SPEAKER_13]: I totally applaud that effort.
[14:50.030 --> 14:54.370]  [SPEAKER_09]: And those people are desecrated by, like, painting it blue, whatever that's all about.
[14:54.770 --> 14:55.590]  [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know.
[14:55.590 --> 14:56.950]  [SPEAKER_09]: I question their patriotism.
[14:57.170 --> 14:59.250]  [SPEAKER_09]: But anyway, yes, Gila, go ahead.
[15:00.270 --> 15:03.610]  [SPEAKER_10]: So I've just been doing a little bit of searching to see anything.
[15:03.610 --> 15:10.950]  [SPEAKER_10]: Anything, apparently, Joshua Aaron was doxed hard on X, excuse me, on Twitter last week.
[15:14.450 --> 15:21.570]  [SPEAKER_10]: And he said, this morning, the hardcore right wing on Twitter decided to dox my home address, full legal name, and incite hate and violence toward me and my family.
[15:21.710 --> 15:23.410]  [SPEAKER_10]: The comments are filled with hate and anti-Semitism.
[15:23.550 --> 15:28.330]  [SPEAKER_10]: And since there seems to be no way to accurately report something like this, like, it's bad.
[15:28.330 --> 15:34.370]  [SPEAKER_10]: And I did see something else go by on a Facebook post that I didn't click on, because I didn't want it to work my algorithm.
[15:34.590 --> 15:39.030]  [SPEAKER_10]: But it was like, there's this app that's letting illegals evade ISIS.
[15:40.050 --> 15:42.130]  [SPEAKER_10]: And big tech is behind it.
[15:42.210 --> 15:44.770]  [SPEAKER_10]: And I'm like, you have no idea what you're talking about.
[15:47.430 --> 15:48.930]  [SPEAKER_10]: I'm glad people are running scared.
[15:49.030 --> 15:49.690]  [SPEAKER_10]: I really am.
[15:50.090 --> 15:51.930]  [SPEAKER_10]: The right people are running scared.
[15:52.130 --> 15:55.830]  [SPEAKER_09]: If we can get them to blame big tech, maybe that's not such a bad thing for him.
[15:55.830 --> 16:06.270]  [SPEAKER_09]: You know, maybe we can screw up the algorithm enough so that he's protected, because that's, that is insane, what I'm hearing, and just very, very upsetting.
[16:06.470 --> 16:20.530]  [SPEAKER_09]: And I understand that Christy Noem, basically, she weighed in on this, issued a statement on Twitter, basically saying, this sure looks like obstruction of justice.
[16:20.710 --> 16:32.630]  [SPEAKER_09]: Our brave ICE law enforcement face a 500% increase, we mentioned that, in assaults against them, if you obstruct or assault our law enforcement, we will hunt you down, and you will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
[16:32.690 --> 16:36.610]  [SPEAKER_09]: When you say something like, we will hunt you down, you know, what is that, what is that called to mind?
[16:36.710 --> 16:40.050]  [SPEAKER_09]: It calls to mind jackbooted thugs executing people.
[16:40.210 --> 16:42.630]  [SPEAKER_09]: That's, that's what I get out of that, hunting you down.
[16:43.290 --> 16:44.530]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's, this is disgusting.
[16:45.110 --> 16:51.710]  [SPEAKER_09]: These people really, really need to start facing justice for the crap they are putting our country through.
[16:51.710 --> 16:55.010]  [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, I'm tired just sitting back and saying, oh, how bad is it going to get today?
[16:55.210 --> 16:59.970]  [SPEAKER_09]: You know, and just kind of watching all the pundits saying, boy, this is, this is unprecedented.
[16:59.990 --> 17:01.130]  [SPEAKER_09]: Where will it go next?
[17:02.130 --> 17:15.110]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's time that we step up and start doing something about it, because this is not, I don't think the America anybody wanted, even on election day, regardless of what direction they, they, they went in.
[17:15.410 --> 17:17.650]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's, it's, it's damn scary.
[17:17.810 --> 17:18.030]  [SPEAKER_09]: Go ahead.
[17:18.350 --> 17:19.310]  [SPEAKER_09]: Who's, who is first?
[17:19.870 --> 17:20.970]  [SPEAKER_09]: Alex, you, then Rob.
[17:21.590 --> 17:21.770]  [SPEAKER_13]: Sure.
[17:21.970 --> 17:29.150]  [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, look, speaking, speaking of ICE here, I think we should also bear history of how ICE was created in mind.
[17:29.150 --> 17:32.550]  [SPEAKER_13]: And it was created shortly after 9-11.
[17:32.970 --> 17:43.410]  [SPEAKER_13]: You know, this was one of these sort of Department of Homeland Security, 9-11 creations and, and incantations of authority that were going to be used, you know, to target things like terrorism.
[17:43.410 --> 17:58.550]  [SPEAKER_13]: And for a long time, ICE was not known throughout the nation and the world to be a bunch of, of jackbooted thugs, you know, running around with masks on, hiding outside courtrooms and snatching people up after the, after their hearings.
[17:58.710 --> 17:59.750]  [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, it was totally insane.
[18:00.290 --> 18:08.410]  [SPEAKER_13]: During the Obama administration, the, the focus with ICE really was for terrorism and very serious criminals.
[18:08.410 --> 18:13.330]  [SPEAKER_13]: It wasn't going after anybody who was an undocumented person, but then, of course, Trump changed it.
[18:13.430 --> 18:17.510]  [SPEAKER_13]: And he changed that, I think, primarily through executive orders and policy changes.
[18:17.710 --> 18:23.850]  [SPEAKER_13]: And then, and they focused really just much more on, on broader immigration enforcement and increasing these raids.
[18:24.050 --> 18:27.470]  [SPEAKER_13]: And now it is just ramped up to the nth extent.
[18:27.770 --> 18:35.010]  [SPEAKER_13]: I think Biden tried to reel it back in, but for whatever reason, wasn't entirely successful and reeling in the authority of ICE.
[18:35.010 --> 18:39.330]  [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, they got used to having this authority and wielding this power during the Trump administration.
[18:39.770 --> 18:41.030]  [SPEAKER_13]: And so it persisted.
[18:41.190 --> 18:50.330]  [SPEAKER_13]: And now ICE not only has the support of its own agency and DHS and, and, and others, but they're working with more closely with local law enforcement.
[18:50.370 --> 18:51.770]  [SPEAKER_13]: They're working with other federal agencies.
[18:51.870 --> 18:54.030]  [SPEAKER_13]: They're going to have access to much more data.
[18:54.030 --> 18:57.850]  [SPEAKER_13]: This is becoming an extraordinarily scary department.
[18:58.170 --> 19:06.810]  [SPEAKER_13]: And I think to bring this back, because everybody criticizes us about talking too much about politics, I guess, this is like the classic definition of function creep here.
[19:07.110 --> 19:13.650]  [SPEAKER_13]: You start off in one way and it's, and it changes ever so slightly, ever so slightly over the last 22 years.
[19:13.810 --> 19:15.390]  [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, ICE was created in 2003.
[19:15.570 --> 19:20.190]  [SPEAKER_13]: Over the last 22 years, this is a totally different agency than when it started.
[19:21.190 --> 19:21.850]  [SPEAKER_08]: Go ahead, Rob.
[19:23.730 --> 19:28.050]  [SPEAKER_11]: I've, I've got another, I think Alex, uh, very succinctly put, uh, what I was going to say.
[19:28.550 --> 19:29.670]  [SPEAKER_09]: Feel good about that, Alex?
[19:29.750 --> 19:31.650]  [SPEAKER_09]: You took the words right out of Rob's mouth.
[19:31.750 --> 19:32.010]  [SPEAKER_09]: All right.
[19:32.370 --> 19:32.650]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[19:32.770 --> 19:34.930]  [SPEAKER_13]: I imagine he would have been more succinct though.
[19:35.210 --> 19:35.350]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[19:35.950 --> 19:38.130]  [SPEAKER_09]: You can argue about succinctness later.
[19:38.750 --> 19:39.170]  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
[19:39.250 --> 19:53.430]  [SPEAKER_09]: So let, let's go on to ICE acting director, Todd Lyons, again, uh, who basically has now turned their sites, um, onto CNN, onto the media, uh, CNN's promotion of an ICE spotting app is reckless and irresponsible.
[19:54.250 --> 19:57.670]  [SPEAKER_09]: Advertising an app that, yeah, by reporting it, you're advertising it.
[19:58.130 --> 20:03.850]  [SPEAKER_09]: Advertising an app that basically paints a target on federal law enforcement officers' backs is sickening.
[20:03.970 --> 20:05.030]  [SPEAKER_09]: Are you ready for the line?
[20:05.130 --> 20:06.070]  [SPEAKER_09]: Does everybody want to predict the line?
[20:06.210 --> 20:06.670]  [SPEAKER_09]: The next line?
[20:07.410 --> 20:07.850]  [SPEAKER_09]: No?
[20:08.450 --> 20:08.870]  [SPEAKER_09]: Go ahead.
[20:08.870 --> 20:10.130]  [SPEAKER_13]: We need to hold them down.
[20:10.330 --> 20:10.970]  [SPEAKER_13]: It's obstruction.
[20:11.430 --> 20:11.790]  [SPEAKER_13]: No, no, no.
[20:11.870 --> 20:12.270]  [SPEAKER_13]: It's a crime.
[20:12.530 --> 20:13.070]  [SPEAKER_09]: I'll give you a hint.
[20:13.550 --> 20:14.610]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's something very specific.
[20:15.970 --> 20:18.050]  [SPEAKER_09]: A specific, a specific number.
[20:19.870 --> 20:20.270]  [SPEAKER_12]: 42.
[20:20.810 --> 20:21.250]  [SPEAKER_09]: Oh my God.
[20:21.250 --> 20:21.990]  [SPEAKER_09]: You got to pay attention.
[20:22.470 --> 20:22.870]  [SPEAKER_09]: Kyle?
[20:23.150 --> 20:23.550]  [SPEAKER_09]: 500.
[20:23.790 --> 20:24.310]  [SPEAKER_09]: You got it.
[20:24.670 --> 20:25.070]  [SPEAKER_09]: 500%.
[20:25.070 --> 20:25.510]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yes.
[20:25.930 --> 20:30.450]  [SPEAKER_09]: This is that, this, this fiction that they're pushing, you know, 500% compared to what?
[20:30.450 --> 20:43.110]  [SPEAKER_09]: My officers and agents are already facing a 500% increase in assaults and going on live television to announce an app that lets anyone zero in on their locations is like inviting violence against them with a national megaphone.
[20:43.850 --> 20:48.210]  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay, Todd, first of all, the way the app works, you might not be familiar.
[20:49.310 --> 20:53.670]  [SPEAKER_09]: It happens after you guys have already made your presence known.
[20:53.930 --> 20:54.530]  [SPEAKER_09]: All right?
[20:54.750 --> 21:03.510]  [SPEAKER_09]: So basically, when people are saying, hey, there are ICE agents here, they're talking about something that has already happened, not something that's about to happen.
[21:03.710 --> 21:08.630]  [SPEAKER_09]: Would I like to have an app that tells where your goons are going to be in the next 24 hours?
[21:08.750 --> 21:10.390]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yes, I would love that very much.
[21:10.710 --> 21:14.090]  [SPEAKER_09]: But unfortunately, we live in a world where that does not yet exist.
[21:14.690 --> 21:16.410]  [SPEAKER_09]: And I sure hope it does someday.
[21:16.690 --> 21:24.950]  [SPEAKER_09]: But right now, we have this app that will tell us when you are terrorizing people and spreading the word.
[21:25.390 --> 21:27.590]  [SPEAKER_09]: And I don't see a damn thing wrong with that.
[21:28.210 --> 21:29.050]  [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, I'm sorry.
[21:29.150 --> 21:30.210]  [SPEAKER_09]: Let me continue with what he has to say.
[21:30.370 --> 21:38.190]  [SPEAKER_09]: CNN is willfully endangering the lives of officers who put their lives on the line every day and enabling dangerous criminal aliens to evade U.S.
[21:38.310 --> 21:38.430]  [SPEAKER_09]: law.
[21:38.590 --> 21:38.810]  [SPEAKER_09]: Really?
[21:39.530 --> 21:41.110]  [SPEAKER_09]: Dangerous criminal aliens?
[21:41.650 --> 21:45.010]  [SPEAKER_09]: Have you seen the people that are being swept up here?
[21:45.510 --> 21:51.210]  [SPEAKER_09]: These are people who have jobs washing dishes 20 hours or what, 12 hours a day?
[21:51.390 --> 21:52.410]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, a ridiculous amount.
[21:52.410 --> 21:56.150]  [SPEAKER_09]: These are mothers picking up their children in schools.
[21:56.830 --> 22:02.270]  [SPEAKER_09]: These are innocent people who have not done anything except overstay their visas.
[22:02.630 --> 22:07.850]  [SPEAKER_09]: Or they are in the process of getting sanctuary in this country.
[22:07.850 --> 22:16.810]  [SPEAKER_09]: And that process is being aborted by these thugs who are basically throwing them into a prison or sending them to a foreign country.
[22:16.950 --> 22:18.870]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, we don't even know where they are.
[22:18.870 --> 22:21.010]  [SPEAKER_09]: That is the craziest thing.
[22:22.390 --> 22:28.730]  [SPEAKER_09]: He finishes his remarks by saying, is this simply reckless journalism or overt activism?
[22:29.670 --> 22:40.730]  [SPEAKER_09]: And so, yeah, they are targeting anyone who even discusses this right now or basically spreads the word in any possible way.
[22:40.850 --> 22:41.510]  [SPEAKER_09]: Go ahead, Rob.
[22:43.190 --> 22:52.710]  [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, if they want to claim that this is putting their agents in danger and, you know, people are attacking their agents and all this sort of thing, why aren't they showing us?
[22:52.830 --> 22:56.170]  [SPEAKER_11]: Because we know they love showing us them doing their...
[22:56.170 --> 22:57.610]  [SPEAKER_11]: what they think is their job well done.
[22:57.730 --> 23:03.170]  [SPEAKER_11]: They love putting out their, you know, statements and pictures and everything about how badass and wonderful they are.
[23:03.450 --> 23:05.350]  [SPEAKER_11]: Where's the video of them being attacked?
[23:05.510 --> 23:09.010]  [SPEAKER_11]: Because, you know, I think if they had that, they would be spreading that everywhere.
[23:09.010 --> 23:15.250]  [SPEAKER_09]: I haven't seen a single video of ICE agents being... I've seen ICE agents pushing people.
[23:15.530 --> 23:21.550]  [SPEAKER_09]: And I suppose when you push somebody, you don't get to move forward as fast as you would if there was nobody there.
[23:22.170 --> 23:27.650]  [SPEAKER_09]: So I guess, you know, if you consider that an attack, the presence of somebody, that's all I can see.
[23:27.810 --> 23:32.830]  [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, you would think there would be video out there at 500% increase.
[23:33.650 --> 23:35.510]  [SPEAKER_09]: I don't even know how to interpret that.
[23:35.630 --> 23:36.430]  [SPEAKER_09]: That's based on what?
[23:36.570 --> 23:37.890]  [SPEAKER_09]: They give you nothing.
[23:38.110 --> 23:38.730]  [SPEAKER_09]: Alex, go ahead.
[23:39.390 --> 23:50.890]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, as regards to the 500% increase in violence against ICE agents, I would just like to remind our listeners that studies have shown that 73% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
[23:51.790 --> 23:53.830]  [SPEAKER_09]: How long have you been holding that one in, Alex?
[23:56.710 --> 23:57.510]  [SPEAKER_13]: A while.
[23:58.110 --> 23:58.910]  [SPEAKER_13]: Thanks for asking that.
[23:59.030 --> 23:59.710]  [SPEAKER_13]: Good to get it out.
[23:59.790 --> 24:03.530]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, it's great that this app is out there.
[24:03.690 --> 24:06.990]  [SPEAKER_09]: And kudos to Joshua, Aaron, for writing it.
[24:07.870 --> 24:08.590]  [SPEAKER_09]: And you know what?
[24:09.070 --> 24:15.070]  [SPEAKER_09]: The way we can protect him from the idiots who are targeting him now is for there to be a thousand apps.
[24:15.390 --> 24:23.530]  [SPEAKER_09]: So if you have the ability to write an app that can simply report when ICE agents are in the area, when basically, you know, the app doesn't do that.
[24:23.590 --> 24:25.670]  [SPEAKER_09]: The person controlling the app does that.
[24:25.770 --> 24:26.950]  [SPEAKER_09]: They say, hey, I just saw somebody.
[24:27.050 --> 24:30.110]  [SPEAKER_09]: And this is basically sending out information.
[24:30.990 --> 24:33.250]  [SPEAKER_09]: If you can write an app like that, please do so.
[24:33.390 --> 24:36.750]  [SPEAKER_09]: And label it with the city that you're in or the state that you're in.
[24:37.170 --> 24:39.210]  [SPEAKER_09]: And we'll have a whole lot of these things out there.
[24:39.270 --> 24:44.890]  [SPEAKER_09]: And one person won't have to take the heat for all of it from the would-be fascists out there.
[24:44.890 --> 24:46.730]  [SPEAKER_09]: Now, we talked about databases.
[24:47.070 --> 24:59.790]  [SPEAKER_09]: And you might be surprised to know that the so-called Liberty Loving Administration that we have currently in power is compiling a huge database with your name in it.
[25:00.090 --> 25:00.890]  [SPEAKER_09]: That's right.
[25:01.550 --> 25:08.070]  [SPEAKER_09]: They have merged immigration data with Social Security information to create a massive index.
[25:08.650 --> 25:10.890]  [SPEAKER_09]: And the whole reason for that is to stop...
[25:11.850 --> 25:12.750]  [SPEAKER_09]: Who wants to guess?
[25:13.090 --> 25:14.230]  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay, this is good.
[25:14.910 --> 25:15.810]  [SPEAKER_09]: Rob, do you have your hand up?
[25:16.050 --> 25:16.450]  [SPEAKER_09]: No, you don't.
[25:16.990 --> 25:17.550]  [SPEAKER_13]: Alex, you do.
[25:18.070 --> 25:18.910]  [SPEAKER_13]: No, I know.
[25:18.990 --> 25:20.010]  [SPEAKER_13]: It's got to be voter fraud.
[25:20.970 --> 25:22.470]  [SPEAKER_09]: I hope you didn't read the story, Alex.
[25:22.610 --> 25:24.530]  [SPEAKER_09]: Because I would have said...
[25:24.530 --> 25:28.670]  [SPEAKER_09]: I would have said, you know, basically immigration fraud.
[25:28.670 --> 25:30.290]  [SPEAKER_09]: I would have said Social Security fraud.
[25:30.850 --> 25:31.450]  [SPEAKER_09]: But this is...
[25:31.450 --> 25:32.170]  [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, no, this is good.
[25:32.310 --> 25:32.930]  [SPEAKER_13]: This is...
[25:32.930 --> 25:34.250]  [SPEAKER_13]: It's got to be, right?
[25:34.350 --> 25:35.310]  [SPEAKER_13]: It's got to be voter fraud.
[25:35.470 --> 25:38.970]  [SPEAKER_09]: Merging immigration data with Social Security data to combat voter fraud.
[25:39.050 --> 25:39.550]  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay, whatever.
[25:40.490 --> 25:42.370]  [SPEAKER_09]: But whatever you have to use to justify it.
[25:42.370 --> 25:43.730]  [SPEAKER_09]: But the U.S.
[25:44.030 --> 25:55.730]  [SPEAKER_09]: Department of Homeland Security has, for the first time, the first time, built a national citizenship database that combines information from immigration agencies and the Social Security Administration.
[25:56.430 --> 25:57.750]  [SPEAKER_09]: Never done that before.
[25:58.710 --> 26:03.450]  [SPEAKER_09]: And if we had known they were going to be doing that, I'm sure most of us would have said, hell no.
[26:04.130 --> 26:09.690]  [SPEAKER_09]: The database was created in collaboration with the Department of... anyone?
[26:10.850 --> 26:11.710]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yes, Alex.
[26:12.650 --> 26:14.570]  [SPEAKER_13]: Would it be Homeland Security?
[26:14.810 --> 26:15.350]  [SPEAKER_09]: No, you're wrong.
[26:15.590 --> 26:16.150]  [SPEAKER_09]: Go ahead, Kyle.
[26:16.570 --> 26:17.350]  [SPEAKER_13]: Government efficiency?
[26:17.750 --> 26:18.270]  [SPEAKER_09]: You're right, yes.
[26:18.590 --> 26:19.830]  [SPEAKER_09]: That's two for you, Kyle.
[26:20.250 --> 26:21.910]  [SPEAKER_09]: Department of Government Efficiency, Doge.
[26:21.990 --> 26:22.450]  [SPEAKER_09]: Remember those guys?
[26:22.510 --> 26:28.230]  [SPEAKER_09]: You know, it's funny how Trump is now saying he's going to stick Doge on Elon Musk because Elon Musk criticized him.
[26:29.170 --> 26:30.430]  [SPEAKER_09]: Can you believe that?
[26:30.710 --> 26:32.850]  [SPEAKER_09]: This is so perfect.
[26:33.230 --> 26:35.230]  [SPEAKER_09]: Doge is going to turn on Elon Musk.
[26:35.670 --> 26:36.050]  [SPEAKER_09]: Woof.
[26:36.290 --> 26:37.310]  [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, you can't write this.
[26:37.750 --> 26:42.350]  [SPEAKER_09]: Anyway, yeah, basically, this is an effort to...
[26:42.350 --> 26:54.510]  [SPEAKER_09]: bridge the gaps between disparate information sources to make it easier to determine whether someone is a citizen, according to NPR, which first reported the details of this database.
[26:54.830 --> 27:01.130]  [SPEAKER_09]: Now, it's the result of an expansion of the Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements program.
[27:02.730 --> 27:05.050]  [SPEAKER_09]: And that somehow spells the word save.
[27:05.210 --> 27:05.690]  [SPEAKER_09]: Did you know that?
[27:06.130 --> 27:08.530]  [SPEAKER_09]: Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements.
[27:08.670 --> 27:09.390]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, they're so clever.
[27:09.730 --> 27:17.970]  [SPEAKER_09]: That's made up of smaller databases within the Homeland Security Department and an integration with information from the Social Security Administration.
[27:18.470 --> 27:28.390]  [SPEAKER_09]: The centralized repository is searchable and can be accessed by state and local election officials to look up the names of anyone trying to vote to determine if they are citizens.
[27:29.010 --> 27:38.750]  [SPEAKER_09]: Until now, election officials had to ask potential voters for documents verifying their citizenship or rely on a hard-to-navigate patchwork of databases.
[27:39.690 --> 27:40.290]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[27:40.610 --> 27:43.930]  [SPEAKER_09]: I wonder how many people they've actually caught using this.
[27:44.210 --> 27:49.670]  [SPEAKER_09]: Voter fraud is rare in the U.S., experts say, and consequences include fines or jail time.
[27:49.870 --> 27:57.670]  [SPEAKER_09]: And lately, the majority of people committing it turn out to be Republicans, oddly enough, trying to get more votes for Trump.
[27:58.870 --> 27:59.310]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[27:59.710 --> 28:12.350]  [SPEAKER_09]: So, previously, agencies involved in voting were required to use numbers issued by the DHS to look up voter registrations, which they may not have had access to, but may have been more likely to possess Social Security numbers.
[28:12.830 --> 28:15.970]  [SPEAKER_09]: So, yeah, this makes it all very, very easy.
[28:16.070 --> 28:21.290]  [SPEAKER_09]: But not only for voter fraud investigations, for all kinds of things.
[28:22.550 --> 28:33.930]  [SPEAKER_09]: The citizenship database is one of the first results of DOGE's efforts to gain access to and merge information on Americans from agencies across the federal government, including the IRS.
[28:34.790 --> 28:46.790]  [SPEAKER_09]: Reports indicate DOGE is attempting to create a single data hub that enables access to these vast troves of information on Americans in an effort to eliminate the separation of information in isolated or protected silos.
[28:47.430 --> 28:53.930]  [SPEAKER_09]: We used to think of these isolated and protected silos as security for our privacy.
[28:54.190 --> 28:56.510]  [SPEAKER_09]: You know, that used to be a thing that we cared about.
[28:56.730 --> 28:58.070]  [SPEAKER_09]: Now it's the threat.
[29:00.110 --> 29:18.950]  [SPEAKER_09]: In response, union members in Maryland have sued the Office of Personnel Management, the Treasury Department, and the Education Department was left of it for sharing personal information with those DOGE officials who had no need to know the vast amount of sensitive personal information to which they were granted access.
[29:19.470 --> 29:30.830]  [SPEAKER_09]: Defendants admit that the Social Security Administration granted DOGE personnel broad access to millions of Americans' sensitive PAI, that's personally identifiable information.
[29:31.610 --> 29:32.470]  [SPEAKER_09]: U.S.
[29:32.870 --> 29:48.930]  [SPEAKER_09]: District Judge Ellen Lipton Hollander of Maryland wrote in a decision ordering a temporary block on the Social Security Administration sharing information with DOGE, this intrusion into the personal affairs of millions of Americans, absent an adequate explanation for the need to do so,
[29:49.110 --> 29:51.230]  [SPEAKER_09]: is not in the public interest.
[29:51.910 --> 29:56.910]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, thank God for judges that step up and say, this is not right.
[29:57.090 --> 29:59.750]  [SPEAKER_09]: This has to be stopped in its tracks.
[30:00.570 --> 30:12.650]  [SPEAKER_09]: That is something about this system that I am proud to say is a valuable, a valuable, I guess, foundation.
[30:13.050 --> 30:20.830]  [SPEAKER_09]: You know, it's a check of balance, checks and balances, you know, a check of power that, you know, Trump can just issue a statement.
[30:21.470 --> 30:27.090]  [SPEAKER_09]: And at least, you know, if there's a judge that has some common sense, he can put an end to this.
[30:27.530 --> 30:30.750]  [SPEAKER_09]: But, Alex, I'm going to ask you this now.
[30:30.850 --> 30:38.430]  [SPEAKER_09]: In the last week, the Supreme Court has basically weighed in on that and said something to the effect of, yeah, judges can't do that anymore.
[30:38.690 --> 30:39.730]  [SPEAKER_09]: Do I have that right?
[30:40.630 --> 30:54.910]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, it was... that was a bizarre decision to my mind when I read it, because it basically said, as I understood it, and I didn't... candidly, I didn't read the actual opinion from the Supreme Court.
[30:54.990 --> 30:56.290]  [SPEAKER_13]: I read a lot of reporting on it, though.
[30:56.670 --> 31:16.510]  [SPEAKER_13]: And it also seemed to circle on the fact that judges have to... the effect of a judicial ruling will only be with respect to the individual facts and circumstances of that case, or the limits of judicial power are very localized in many ways on the basis of this decision,
[31:16.530 --> 31:22.490]  [SPEAKER_13]: and that judges shouldn't make these wider pronouncements, which is exactly what they are there to do.
[31:22.670 --> 31:28.650]  [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, they are there to address federal questions, questions that arise under federal law.
[31:28.930 --> 31:33.870]  [SPEAKER_13]: The federal courts are designed specifically to hear issues of constitutional import.
[31:34.690 --> 31:36.490]  [SPEAKER_13]: State courts can't do that.
[31:36.630 --> 31:41.790]  [SPEAKER_13]: State courts are not competent to interpret, let's say, you know, the Fifth Amendment of the U.S.
[31:41.890 --> 31:42.250]  [SPEAKER_13]: Constitution.
[31:42.490 --> 31:52.450]  [SPEAKER_13]: That's why we have the federal court system and federal judges who specialize in this type of thing and ensure that the state doesn't approach on those rights that are enshrined in the Bill of Rights.
[31:53.330 --> 32:07.430]  [SPEAKER_13]: And so to limit judicial power like this is really disheartening in many, many ways, because it seems like it's an obvious... like the decision had an obvious political slant to it as well.
[32:08.570 --> 32:27.290]  [SPEAKER_13]: But Emmanuel, in as much as I think you are applauding the federal judiciary here and standing up to Trump, I think it's important to note not only has the federal judiciary been considered to be the bulwark of this republic and has stood up against tyranny time and time again in this country,
[32:28.170 --> 32:32.690]  [SPEAKER_13]: you know, think back to, you know, the Korematsu decision with Japanese internment camps.
[32:32.830 --> 32:37.430]  [SPEAKER_13]: We've had a lot of stains, notable stains on the human rights tapestry in this country.
[32:37.730 --> 32:40.690]  [SPEAKER_13]: And the federal judges have stepped in to right those wrongs.
[32:40.790 --> 32:44.830]  [SPEAKER_13]: Think about, you know, the Supreme Court during the civil rights era as well.
[32:44.970 --> 32:45.730]  [SPEAKER_13]: It was kind of extraordinary.
[32:46.290 --> 32:49.150]  [SPEAKER_13]: But they're under threat now too.
[32:49.790 --> 32:57.230]  [SPEAKER_13]: And Trump has been targeting them and intimidating judges and threatening them with impeachment, threatening to release information about judges.
[32:57.450 --> 33:05.090]  [SPEAKER_13]: And this is another form of trying to centralize power in the executive branch.
[33:05.530 --> 33:09.910]  [SPEAKER_13]: And this is a really interesting system.
[33:09.930 --> 33:12.910]  [SPEAKER_13]: We think about how the Constitution was designed in the 18th century.
[33:13.090 --> 33:16.590]  [SPEAKER_13]: It was really a form of what we would consider to be today decentralization.
[33:16.970 --> 33:29.250]  [SPEAKER_13]: And Trump is like this rogue system administrator trying to centralize power in himself time and time again by breaking these systems that were designed to prevent that power from being centralized.
[33:29.590 --> 33:30.670]  [SPEAKER_09]: That's a good analogy.
[33:30.690 --> 33:33.470]  [SPEAKER_09]: And you use the word bulwark, which is the word I was searching for.
[33:33.590 --> 33:36.030]  [SPEAKER_09]: And I've never used it successfully in a sentence, but one day.
[33:36.950 --> 33:45.190]  [SPEAKER_09]: Think about ways that, you know, we have dealt with system administrators in the past, rogue system administrators that have kind of lost their minds and gone power crazy.
[33:45.470 --> 33:51.170]  [SPEAKER_09]: How we dealt with them and figure out a way to translate that into what's going on now.
[33:51.610 --> 33:52.330]  [SPEAKER_09]: Rob, go ahead.
[33:53.350 --> 34:02.350]  [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, talking about the sheer overreach of this, and it's important to note that and remind folks that DOGE calls itself the Department of Government Efficiency.
[34:02.350 --> 34:04.810]  [SPEAKER_11]: It is not a department of the United States government.
[34:04.810 --> 34:10.490]  [SPEAKER_11]: It was not established by any of the congressional means that are supposed to be there to establish something like this.
[34:10.810 --> 34:13.290]  [SPEAKER_11]: DOGE is an initiative of the administration.
[34:13.390 --> 34:15.090]  [SPEAKER_11]: It is an office at the White House.
[34:15.090 --> 34:16.450]  [SPEAKER_11]: It reports directly to Trump.
[34:16.770 --> 34:25.130]  [SPEAKER_11]: So when we say that DOGE now has this massive centralized database on every single American, Trump has this massive database of every single American.
[34:25.450 --> 34:26.590]  [SPEAKER_11]: It is Trump.
[34:26.830 --> 34:27.850]  [SPEAKER_11]: It is an arm of Trump.
[34:28.170 --> 34:38.590]  [SPEAKER_11]: And, you know, whatever jokiness there ever was in his name is no longer... in DOGE's name is no longer funny because it is overreach.
[34:38.770 --> 34:43.790]  [SPEAKER_11]: That is the purpose and the sole function of this organization.
[34:43.990 --> 34:53.870]  [SPEAKER_09]: And I should point out that this particular database was created with little engagement of the public, something that is requisite for building these types of mass surveillance databases.
[34:54.170 --> 35:04.530]  [SPEAKER_09]: The Privacy Act of 1974 requires federal agencies to notify the public if there are new ways they plan to use or collect Americans' personal information.
[35:04.890 --> 35:13.690]  [SPEAKER_09]: Legal experts have also questioned whether this sort of a centralized database sidesteps many of the privacy and security protections implemented within each agency.
[35:13.890 --> 35:21.970]  [SPEAKER_09]: The consolidation of personal information into a mass database is unprecedented and has sparked concern among immigration and privacy advocates.
[35:22.290 --> 35:35.650]  [SPEAKER_09]: The creation of a centralized repository brings together pieces of information that were previously within the purview of separate agencies and potentially makes it easier for government officials to look up individuals' data from across the government.
[35:35.950 --> 35:39.810]  [SPEAKER_09]: And many of us are worried about how else that database could be used.
[35:39.850 --> 35:41.330]  [SPEAKER_09]: And I think that's the key right there.
[35:41.530 --> 35:51.330]  [SPEAKER_09]: You know, you may say this is to combat voter fraud or to find people who are in the country illegally or to uncover social security fraud.
[35:51.790 --> 36:02.630]  [SPEAKER_09]: But what we're not looking at is all of the ways that this can be misused and will be misused because there has never been an instance where something like this has been implemented and has not been misused.
[36:02.890 --> 36:20.110]  [SPEAKER_09]: So the question is, are you comfortable as an American citizen having your data in this massive database where you can be targeted on the whim of a bureaucrat or a politician or somebody potentially much, much scarier?
[36:20.910 --> 36:22.570]  [SPEAKER_09]: Were you consulted about this?
[36:22.690 --> 36:23.930]  [SPEAKER_09]: Did you know this was going to happen?
[36:24.090 --> 36:25.090]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, it's happening right now.
[36:26.130 --> 36:28.250]  [SPEAKER_09]: And we voted for it as a nation.
[36:28.490 --> 36:29.290]  [SPEAKER_09]: We voted for this.
[36:29.290 --> 36:29.310]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yes.
[36:29.890 --> 36:31.950]  [SPEAKER_09]: So time to rethink that.
[36:32.070 --> 36:32.670]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yes, Alex.
[36:33.410 --> 36:51.750]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, I mean, the public input here, I think, is a really important point that you bring up here, because the the Privacy Act, you know, passed way back in the mid 70s, I believe requires some kind of public notification and comment period for this type of data to be aggregated in these ways.
[36:51.950 --> 37:04.330]  [SPEAKER_13]: And so there's this complete and utter failure to consult the public or to comply with federal law and how these things would be created, which would make it vulnerable to attack legally as well.
[37:04.490 --> 37:21.090]  [SPEAKER_13]: So I think it's quite likely that unless they draw the wrong judge, which is quite possible these days, I think an injunction will issue against the creation or the utilization of this national database and sometime very soon.
[37:21.270 --> 37:22.650]  [SPEAKER_13]: I'm pretty sure.
[37:22.650 --> 37:23.110]  [SPEAKER_09]: Right.
[37:23.310 --> 37:28.490]  [SPEAKER_09]: But do you think that that what that judge says is going to be allowed to stand?
[37:29.410 --> 37:33.130]  [SPEAKER_09]: Remember, judges have been stripped of their power by the Supreme Court, basically.
[37:33.910 --> 37:40.670]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, well, the government would appeal, you know, but this would have this would have effect, you know, on the federal government.
[37:40.670 --> 37:52.450]  [SPEAKER_13]: I don't think that that Supreme Court decision that recently issued should affect this particular case, because the object would be the database, the exact object of the case would be the database, so that judge would clearly have authority to rule on it,
[37:52.490 --> 37:53.230]  [SPEAKER_13]: I would hope.
[37:53.910 --> 37:58.110]  [SPEAKER_13]: But it is, yeah, look, it is very, very concerning.
[37:58.170 --> 38:00.250]  [SPEAKER_13]: And I think there's a lot of other reasons here, too.
[38:00.350 --> 38:03.130]  [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, it's arguably a Fifth Amendment violation.
[38:03.770 --> 38:14.710]  [SPEAKER_13]: It arguably could violate due process concerns as well, because this national database is going to have undoubtedly information associated with your citizenship and its status.
[38:15.030 --> 38:28.530]  [SPEAKER_13]: And if that's chained on a citizen without any notice or opportunity to be heard with respect to that status change, which is then relied on by other federal agencies to detain you, deport you, you know, treat you in certain manners, offer you certain entitlements,
[38:28.690 --> 38:32.510]  [SPEAKER_13]: benefits, etc., then there's going to be an effect here.
[38:32.970 --> 38:37.470]  [SPEAKER_13]: So I think there's very, very clear due process concerns.
[38:37.470 --> 38:41.970]  [SPEAKER_13]: And then the discriminatory use of this is really quite possible.
[38:42.170 --> 38:43.770]  [SPEAKER_13]: And there's just no oversight.
[38:43.990 --> 38:50.590]  [SPEAKER_13]: So, I mean, there's a litany of issues here that remain unresolved, and I think make it vulnerable to attack.
[38:50.990 --> 38:52.270]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, a couple of things here.
[38:52.850 --> 39:03.890]  [SPEAKER_09]: First of all, I think we're all putting way too much faith in the Supreme Court, because in a single vote, they can just say, yeah, this is fine, move on.
[39:04.230 --> 39:05.050]  [SPEAKER_09]: And it's over.
[39:05.050 --> 39:09.550]  [SPEAKER_09]: And right now, the way that Trump has set it up, they may do just that.
[39:09.690 --> 39:12.950]  [SPEAKER_09]: It doesn't matter if it's by one vote or by three votes.
[39:13.590 --> 39:15.770]  [SPEAKER_09]: They can just make it okay.
[39:16.630 --> 39:29.830]  [SPEAKER_09]: And then the other thing that I don't think we're really considering here is that even if they say this thing is an outrage and must be stopped, isn't it already put together?
[39:30.170 --> 39:31.990]  [SPEAKER_09]: Didn't they already combine this data?
[39:32.350 --> 39:39.490]  [SPEAKER_09]: And we might say, hey, you're not supposed to use this, but do we really believe that they're going to listen to that?
[39:41.030 --> 39:44.930]  [SPEAKER_13]: And do we really believe that they're going to secure it as well?
[39:45.050 --> 39:53.250]  [SPEAKER_13]: Anytime the government historically has centralized massive amounts of sensitive personal information, it really hasn't gone all that well, has it?
[39:53.330 --> 40:00.730]  [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, the perfect example of this is to look back at the Office of Personnel Management breach of all the SF-86 information for employees.
[40:00.950 --> 40:08.010]  [SPEAKER_13]: The SF-86 forms a national security questionnaire that anybody who holds a security clearance or applies for a security clearance has to fill out.
[40:08.050 --> 40:16.690]  [SPEAKER_13]: It contains massive amounts of highly personal information like your criminal history, your drug usage, psychological information, medical information.
[40:17.350 --> 40:18.310]  [SPEAKER_13]: Pardon the beagle.
[40:18.310 --> 40:21.230]  [SPEAKER_09]: No, your dog is right, Alex.
[40:21.330 --> 40:22.870]  [SPEAKER_09]: Your dog is absolutely right to be concerned.
[40:23.670 --> 40:25.250]  [SPEAKER_13]: Ah, that's exactly right.
[40:25.310 --> 40:26.750]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, she's getting all worked up about this.
[40:26.870 --> 40:28.030]  [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, you know beagles, right?
[40:28.490 --> 40:31.810]  [SPEAKER_13]: So, um, so, so, oh, yes.
[40:31.910 --> 40:33.150]  [SPEAKER_13]: So that we're talking about the OPM breach.
[40:33.310 --> 40:45.230]  [SPEAKER_13]: So that was breached ostensibly by China and all of that data, all of, all of that information about anybody who has held or does hold a security clearance at that time has fallen into the hands of a foreign adversary.
[40:45.950 --> 40:49.890]  [SPEAKER_13]: So now we want to centralize even more sensitive citizen-related information.
[40:50.030 --> 40:53.070]  [SPEAKER_09]: Alex, I got to say, I'm not so worried about the foreign adversaries anymore.
[40:53.150 --> 40:54.930]  [SPEAKER_09]: I'm worried about the adversaries right here.
[40:55.650 --> 40:59.270]  [SPEAKER_09]: Because, yeah, they have proven themselves to be completely untrustworthy and evil.
[40:59.970 --> 41:04.290]  [SPEAKER_09]: And, um, how much are we going to just sit back and say, well, how evil can they possibly get?
[41:05.170 --> 41:09.010]  [SPEAKER_09]: Hey, you're listening to Off The Hook here on WBAI in New York.
[41:09.310 --> 41:18.690]  [SPEAKER_09]: And I want to urge people to support this radio station where we are not afraid to speak our minds and to have you do the same whenever the opportunity arises.
[41:19.170 --> 41:21.130]  [SPEAKER_09]: Please support the radio station.
[41:21.270 --> 41:23.230]  [SPEAKER_09]: Go to buddy.wbai.org.
[41:23.550 --> 41:29.550]  [SPEAKER_09]: Pledge a monthly amount that will help keep this place on the air for the indefinite future.
[41:30.010 --> 41:36.350]  [SPEAKER_09]: And boy, do we need a voice like this in this particular city right now, uh, and in the country.
[41:36.670 --> 41:40.430]  [SPEAKER_09]: So, uh, please, um, help us out in whatever way you can.
[41:40.610 --> 41:41.950]  [SPEAKER_09]: Please spread the word.
[41:41.970 --> 41:49.770]  [SPEAKER_09]: If you know any, uh, exceedingly wealthy people, uh, by all means, contact them and ask them to, uh, to send a pledge our way.
[41:49.970 --> 41:57.050]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's how we've stayed on the air since 1960, older than any radio station in New York City, I believe.
[41:57.270 --> 42:07.090]  [SPEAKER_09]: And if there's another radio station in New York City that has survived a single format, and our format is, is variety of, um, of, uh, viewpoints, uh, I'd like to hear from them.
[42:07.250 --> 42:12.250]  [SPEAKER_09]: I'd like to know about that station, but WBAI, as far as I'm concerned, has been around the longest.
[42:12.250 --> 42:15.510]  [SPEAKER_09]: And that says something that says something about the need for a place like this.
[42:15.610 --> 42:20.250]  [SPEAKER_09]: That says something about the, the, um, uh, the value that New Yorkers hold dear.
[42:20.850 --> 42:28.750]  [SPEAKER_09]: And, um, you don't have to be from New York though, to support WBAI because we now reach the entire world through WBAI.org.
[42:28.750 --> 42:33.550]  [SPEAKER_09]: You can stream us any time off the hook has been on the air since 1988.
[42:34.030 --> 42:36.410]  [SPEAKER_09]: And we've talked about all forms of technology.
[42:36.410 --> 42:40.090]  [SPEAKER_09]: We've seen the world of technology change and evolve.
[42:40.450 --> 43:05.590]  [SPEAKER_09]: We have so much, uh, documented as far as, uh, the way, um, uh, phones used to sound the, the rings and busy signals and, and, uh, not only that, but the way society has changed the way that we deal with things, the things that we take for granted now and the things that we warned about in the past that are now mainstream or the things that we warned about in the past that are now threatening us
[43:05.590 --> 43:07.050]  [SPEAKER_09]: about to happen.
[43:07.690 --> 43:11.330]  [SPEAKER_09]: So, um, keeping all kinds of different voices on the air.
[43:11.510 --> 43:13.570]  [SPEAKER_09]: And of course we all don't agree with each other.
[43:13.690 --> 43:15.010]  [SPEAKER_09]: We have all kinds of different ideas.
[43:15.750 --> 43:16.990]  [SPEAKER_09]: It is so important.
[43:17.010 --> 43:18.170]  [SPEAKER_09]: It is so vital.
[43:18.410 --> 43:31.370]  [SPEAKER_09]: It is so, So, such a major part of democracy that pledging to WBAI, and I don't mean a bit of irony in saying this, pledging to WBAI is about the most patriotic thing you can do.
[43:32.030 --> 43:33.770]  [SPEAKER_09]: Buddy.wbai.org.
[43:33.890 --> 43:37.830]  [SPEAKER_09]: You guys have any other contact info, phone numbers, the like?
[43:38.290 --> 43:39.730]  [SPEAKER_09]: I never have that in front of me.
[43:40.790 --> 43:41.230]  [SPEAKER_09]: No?
[43:41.410 --> 43:41.550]  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
[43:41.690 --> 43:45.370]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, if you find it, please bring it forward.
[43:45.850 --> 43:46.650]  [SPEAKER_09]: Kyle, did you have something?
[43:48.390 --> 43:54.510]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, give2wbai.org is also a fantastic place to make a contribution.
[43:54.610 --> 43:56.550]  [SPEAKER_12]: But I was going back to our topic.
[43:57.170 --> 43:58.650]  [SPEAKER_12]: I thought...
[43:59.430 --> 44:00.630]  [SPEAKER_09]: Let's go back to the topic in a second.
[44:00.730 --> 44:01.650]  [SPEAKER_09]: I think Gila has...
[44:02.350 --> 44:03.490]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, what are those?
[44:04.190 --> 44:04.930]  [SPEAKER_10]: I do indeed.
[44:05.010 --> 44:11.390]  [SPEAKER_10]: I have the phone number, which is 1-833-922-4692.
[44:11.570 --> 44:15.810]  [SPEAKER_10]: And for those who are paying attention, that does, in fact, spell out 833-WBAI.
[44:16.650 --> 44:18.450]  [SPEAKER_10]: W-B-A-I-N-Y-C.
[44:18.750 --> 44:20.050]  [SPEAKER_10]: Those letters get a little spushed together.
[44:20.730 --> 44:20.830]  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
[44:20.950 --> 44:23.050]  [SPEAKER_10]: 833-W-B-A-I-N-Y-C.
[44:23.230 --> 44:25.510]  [SPEAKER_10]: That's 922-4692.
[44:26.730 --> 44:29.590]  [SPEAKER_10]: And you can make your gift there.
[44:30.010 --> 44:34.430]  [SPEAKER_10]: But again, a plug for buddy.wbai.org.
[44:34.430 --> 44:39.910]  [SPEAKER_10]: A reliable stream of income is the best thing you can do for a nonprofit organization.
[44:40.630 --> 44:43.430]  [SPEAKER_10]: And then again, the more you give, the less we have to ask you for.
[44:43.430 --> 44:44.030]  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
[44:44.390 --> 44:45.090]  [SPEAKER_09]: And Kyle, go ahead.
[44:45.450 --> 44:54.090]  [SPEAKER_12]: I just wanted to add on something that was said, basically, about the size of this particular organized database of people's information.
[44:54.090 --> 45:12.790]  [SPEAKER_12]: As compared to previous attacks or basically stolen data of amassed government employees, a lot of that stuff can be compared now with a lot of analytical tools.
[45:12.790 --> 45:34.550]  [SPEAKER_12]: And the more organized it is, the larger vulnerability you risk if it gets into the hands of a multitude into a marketplace or is something used by a wide range of people.
[45:34.550 --> 45:38.810]  [SPEAKER_12]: And I think we were kind of talking about, you're talking about the future.
[45:38.990 --> 45:43.850]  [SPEAKER_12]: We were also sort of insinuating that this is something we should affect.
[45:44.010 --> 45:52.290]  [SPEAKER_12]: But you have to almost act now as though this stuff is already going to be circulated because it's already been organized.
[45:52.710 --> 45:53.230]  [SPEAKER_12]: Absolutely.
[45:53.230 --> 46:01.690]  [SPEAKER_12]: No matter how well they think they might control it, it's going to become a desirable product of information.
[46:02.510 --> 46:18.770]  [SPEAKER_12]: And ultimately, it will affect the people that are using it in whatever ways, you know, nefarious or otherwise, or for political gain, let's say, that it will invariably be repurposed and used against them if it's a comprehensive source of data.
[46:18.770 --> 46:28.650]  [SPEAKER_12]: So it may be a part of facial recognition or some app that ICE agents are using today, but it could be a part of a very different set of tools tomorrow.
[46:28.950 --> 46:29.250]  [SPEAKER_09]: Absolutely.
[46:29.430 --> 46:30.090]  [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, we don't know.
[46:30.250 --> 46:34.830]  [SPEAKER_09]: The space kittens of Alpha Centauri might have already downloaded it, you know, and it's out there now.
[46:34.830 --> 46:35.450]  [SPEAKER_09]: What are you going to do?
[46:35.530 --> 46:36.310]  [SPEAKER_09]: How are you going to stop that?
[46:36.390 --> 46:38.050]  [SPEAKER_09]: The data is out, you know?
[46:38.790 --> 46:39.590]  [SPEAKER_09]: They're not real.
[46:40.190 --> 46:40.730]  [SPEAKER_09]: Are they?
[46:40.810 --> 46:41.390]  [SPEAKER_09]: No, they're not real.
[46:41.590 --> 46:42.070]  [SPEAKER_09]: They're not real.
[46:42.510 --> 46:43.130]  [SPEAKER_12]: We'll check.
[46:43.130 --> 47:01.890]  [SPEAKER_09]: But you raise a good point, because think about, we were talking in recent weeks about real ID, you know, about everybody being forced or encouraged strongly to upgrade their driver's licenses or to get a passport card or whatnot and become a part of a standardized form of identification.
[47:01.890 --> 47:09.470]  [SPEAKER_09]: Now, if all those databases are connected, as is the goal, well, that's a backup to this database.
[47:09.710 --> 47:13.790]  [SPEAKER_09]: And all of a sudden, you have all this information out there, and you have a way of checking it.
[47:13.870 --> 47:14.790]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's really frightening.
[47:15.070 --> 47:27.090]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, and for years, if you want to go to talk about, if you want to talk about what has been said in the past, for years, we've talked about how private companies are amassing databases for marketing and other purposes.
[47:27.090 --> 47:45.770]  [SPEAKER_12]: A lot of the ad surveillance capitalism stuff, that's all been widely documented and is itself a precursor to these conditions and the way that this stuff can be used and combined in the ways you're suggesting.
[47:46.070 --> 47:49.650]  [SPEAKER_09]: We only have a couple of minutes left, but I just wanted to make sure we didn't ignore this story.
[47:50.110 --> 47:51.950]  [SPEAKER_09]: And that's something we were afraid of.
[47:51.950 --> 48:04.210]  [SPEAKER_09]: We've been afraid of for quite some time, ever since Trump decided he was going to sue 60 Minutes and CBS and Paramount for the edits on an interview with Kamala Harris that he didn't like.
[48:04.370 --> 48:07.850]  [SPEAKER_09]: He doesn't seem to understand that things get edited, and that's the way you do interviews.
[48:08.430 --> 48:12.290]  [SPEAKER_09]: In fact, the unedited transcript was released, and that pretty much backed that up.
[48:12.370 --> 48:17.290]  [SPEAKER_09]: There wasn't any evidence of changing or giving her preferential treatment or any of that.
[48:17.290 --> 48:20.170]  [SPEAKER_09]: But in that particular case, well, guess what?
[48:20.330 --> 48:28.830]  [SPEAKER_09]: The courageous bosses up on high in Paramount decided they were going to settle and give Trump $16 million.
[48:30.730 --> 48:33.070]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, this is insane.
[48:33.210 --> 48:39.530]  [SPEAKER_09]: Journalists today were infuriated, and at least one senator wants to investigate where the bribery laws were broken.
[48:40.250 --> 48:42.170]  [SPEAKER_09]: The company just wants him to go away.
[48:42.170 --> 48:42.830]  [SPEAKER_09]: But you know what?
[48:42.910 --> 48:46.670]  [SPEAKER_09]: When you pay off somebody like that, he doesn't go away.
[48:46.830 --> 48:48.930]  [SPEAKER_09]: He comes back time and time again.
[48:49.070 --> 48:51.170]  [SPEAKER_09]: And I guess Paramount is going to find that out.
[48:52.270 --> 49:00.310]  [SPEAKER_09]: Now, Paramount, of course, being the owners of CBS, they say the money will go to Trump's future presidential library and to pay his legal fees.
[49:00.870 --> 49:02.350]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, because that's what he needs.
[49:03.330 --> 49:06.290]  [SPEAKER_09]: They say they're not apologizing or expressing regret about the story.
[49:06.410 --> 49:06.990]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, you are.
[49:07.210 --> 49:07.670]  [SPEAKER_09]: You are.
[49:07.670 --> 49:14.170]  [SPEAKER_09]: Whenever you write a check for $16 million, you're kind of conceding something.
[49:15.250 --> 49:15.330]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[49:16.710 --> 49:22.010]  [SPEAKER_09]: Trump's lawyers claimed he suffered mental anguish following the 60 Minutes interview.
[49:22.670 --> 49:23.930]  [SPEAKER_09]: I don't think that's the cause.
[49:24.210 --> 49:25.250]  [SPEAKER_09]: I don't think that's...
[49:25.250 --> 49:26.870]  [SPEAKER_09]: And he originally sued for $20 billion.
[49:27.170 --> 49:27.670]  [SPEAKER_09]: So I guess...
[49:28.270 --> 49:29.590]  [SPEAKER_09]: All right, this must be...
[49:29.590 --> 49:30.930]  [SPEAKER_09]: And Alex, maybe you can back me up here.
[49:30.990 --> 49:33.610]  [SPEAKER_09]: This is a legal hint here that we're providing on Off The Hook.
[49:33.610 --> 49:42.770]  [SPEAKER_09]: Look, if you want to sue somebody, sue them for an amount of money that is so crazy that they will settle for an amount that's less crazy.
[49:43.070 --> 49:47.350]  [SPEAKER_09]: But in the eyes of us commoners, still pretty damn crazy.
[49:47.490 --> 49:49.130]  [SPEAKER_09]: So, okay, he didn't get $20 billion.
[49:49.690 --> 49:51.110]  [SPEAKER_09]: He got $16 million.
[49:51.910 --> 49:53.290]  [SPEAKER_09]: I don't feel any better.
[49:53.510 --> 49:54.530]  [SPEAKER_09]: I really don't.
[49:54.910 --> 49:55.630]  [SPEAKER_09]: Alex, go ahead.
[49:55.770 --> 49:56.230]  [SPEAKER_09]: Closing words.
[49:56.230 --> 50:02.790]  [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, in these types of lawsuits, plaintiffs always seek really, really outrageous sums of money up first.
[50:02.930 --> 50:06.590]  [SPEAKER_13]: But then the actual damages are a tiny fraction of that, generally.
[50:06.930 --> 50:11.470]  [SPEAKER_13]: But this is really a terrible precedent that happened here with 60 Minutes.
[50:11.610 --> 50:16.990]  [SPEAKER_13]: And, you know, to settle in this way really is disappointing.
[50:17.210 --> 50:21.670]  [SPEAKER_13]: Because if you think about media organizations, they're so vulnerable to legal threats already.
[50:21.670 --> 50:23.870]  [SPEAKER_13]: They're so vulnerable to political pressure.
[50:23.870 --> 50:33.510]  [SPEAKER_13]: Now, this increases the likelihood of political interference in journalism by exerting an abusive process in the legal system.
[50:33.550 --> 50:38.310]  [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, it's chipping away again at one of these decentralized forms of governance.
[50:38.330 --> 50:41.090]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's a guarantee that is what's going to happen.
[50:41.330 --> 50:46.870]  [SPEAKER_09]: And after the show, remind me to send a funeral bouquet over to 60 Minutes on the death of journalism.
[50:47.190 --> 50:48.210]  [SPEAKER_09]: Thank you very much.
[50:48.810 --> 50:51.230]  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay, we are out of here, off the hook.
[50:51.630 --> 50:53.710]  [SPEAKER_09]: We'll be back next week, 7 p.m.
[50:53.790 --> 50:54.650]  [SPEAKER_09]: on WBAI.
[50:55.090 --> 50:57.950]  [SPEAKER_09]: Write to us, oth@2600.com.
[50:58.070 --> 51:06.250]  [SPEAKER_09]: And you can tune in on YouTube, on Channel2600, at 8 o'clock.
[51:06.470 --> 51:07.830]  [SPEAKER_09]: We'll be on 8 o'clock.
[51:07.970 --> 51:08.970]  [SPEAKER_09]: We'll even be taking phone calls.
[51:09.150 --> 51:11.030]  [SPEAKER_09]: So hopefully we will see you there.
[51:11.810 --> 51:12.370]  [SPEAKER_09]: Good night.
[51:12.370 --> 51:14.090]  [SPEAKER_15]: The people, the people,
[51:24.290 --> 51:26.350]  the virus took on many
[51:55.660 --> 51:56.960]  general filters of their minds.
[51:57.440 --> 52:02.520]  [SPEAKER_15]: The violence of arrogance crawls into the air, nestles into the geospatial cortex.
[52:04.880 --> 52:06.580]  [SPEAKER_15]: We are not a conquered people.
[52:19.350 --> 52:20.570]  [SPEAKER_03]: Trump beats by region.
[52:23.580 --> 52:25.480]  [SPEAKER_14]: I was awakened by my elder brother.
[52:26.660 --> 52:28.500]  [SPEAKER_14]: The compound was on fire.
[52:30.560 --> 52:31.960]  [SPEAKER_15]: Awakened by my elder brother.
[52:33.220 --> 52:35.020]  [SPEAKER_15]: The compound was on fire.
[53:05.520 --> 53:07.300]  [SPEAKER_15]: The missionaries never hid their perspective.
[53:08.800 --> 53:09.940]  [SPEAKER_15]: Perspectives of land.
[53:10.120 --> 53:11.640]  [SPEAKER_15]: Would rather see us disappear.
[53:14.540 --> 53:15.660]  [SPEAKER_15]: Recyclable prayers.
[53:16.660 --> 53:17.620]  [SPEAKER_15]: The people.
[53:20.460 --> 53:22.440]  [SPEAKER_15]: This is my body, which is given for you.
[53:23.660 --> 53:24.640]  [SPEAKER_15]: The people.
[53:25.680 --> 53:26.880]  [SPEAKER_15]: This is my blood.
[53:28.900 --> 53:30.660]  [SPEAKER_15]: We are not a conquered people.
[53:47.520 --> 53:49.600]  [SPEAKER_14]: I was awakened by my elder brother.
[53:50.600 --> 53:52.560]  [SPEAKER_14]: The compound was on fire.
[54:53.280 --> 54:55.260]  [SPEAKER_14]: The compound was on fire.
[54:57.300 --> 55:02.220]  [SPEAKER_09]: And welcome everybody here on YouTube for Overtime.
[55:02.780 --> 55:04.360]  [SPEAKER_09]: Manuel, over here.
[55:04.520 --> 55:06.440]  [SPEAKER_09]: I seem to be in YouTube-land.
[55:06.620 --> 55:07.500]  [SPEAKER_09]: Kyle, did you make it okay?
[55:08.040 --> 55:08.380]  [SPEAKER_09]: Hello.
[55:08.760 --> 55:09.180]  [SPEAKER_09]: How you doing?
[55:10.340 --> 55:12.820]  [SPEAKER_09]: And I see Rob T.
[55:12.960 --> 55:13.440]  [SPEAKER_09]: Firefly.
[55:14.140 --> 55:14.860]  [SPEAKER_09]: Hello.
[55:14.860 --> 55:16.480]  [SPEAKER_09]: I see Gila.
[55:17.540 --> 55:18.280]  [SPEAKER_10]: Good evening.
[55:19.120 --> 55:21.060]  [SPEAKER_09]: I see the guy who played the scarecrow.
[55:22.000 --> 55:23.640]  [SPEAKER_09]: And I see Alex.
[55:24.320 --> 55:24.960]  [SPEAKER_13]: You do.
[55:25.280 --> 55:26.200]  [SPEAKER_11]: Good evening again.
[55:26.360 --> 55:26.680]  [SPEAKER_09]: How you doing?
[55:27.300 --> 55:28.920]  [SPEAKER_09]: And did we make it to YouTube?
[55:29.500 --> 55:30.160]  [SPEAKER_11]: We did.
[55:30.300 --> 55:31.120]  [SPEAKER_11]: And we sound good.
[55:31.800 --> 55:33.160]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, we'll have to fix that.
[55:34.400 --> 55:34.840]  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
[55:35.000 --> 55:35.140]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[55:35.220 --> 55:37.100]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, that was quite a show.
[55:37.180 --> 55:37.600]  [SPEAKER_09]: That was fun.
[55:38.940 --> 55:40.520]  [SPEAKER_09]: A lot of interesting things going on.
[55:40.980 --> 55:42.420]  [SPEAKER_09]: And we'd like to hear perspectives.
[55:42.860 --> 55:44.600]  [SPEAKER_09]: And Rob, looks like you have something on your mind.
[55:44.900 --> 55:46.140]  [SPEAKER_09]: And Gila, right after you.
[55:46.860 --> 55:56.900]  [SPEAKER_11]: We did get some info over the course of the show, over social media, that WBAI's stream was not being our friend this evening.
[55:57.120 --> 55:58.180]  [SPEAKER_11]: It was cutting in and out.
[55:58.380 --> 55:59.220]  [SPEAKER_09]: Every goddamn time.
[55:59.260 --> 55:59.940]  [SPEAKER_09]: I swear to God.
[56:00.440 --> 56:01.300]  [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know what it is.
[56:01.340 --> 56:03.000]  [SPEAKER_09]: We have no control over this.
[56:03.120 --> 56:07.240]  [SPEAKER_09]: I really don't know how to get them to fix it.
[56:07.340 --> 56:08.120]  [SPEAKER_09]: I really don't.
[56:08.500 --> 56:19.240]  [SPEAKER_11]: Just to let everyone know, the episode will be in its complete and intact form in our podcast and archive MP3s on 2600.com, because we record that on our side.
[56:19.380 --> 56:26.540]  [SPEAKER_09]: And assuming that not everybody listens to the show online or tries to, makes it over here, if people could please help spread the word.
[56:26.540 --> 56:34.580]  [SPEAKER_09]: You know, take over megaphones and radio stations and things like that, and let people know that they can hear that radio show if they go to our website.
[56:36.280 --> 56:37.860]  [SPEAKER_09]: 2600.com/offthehook.
[56:38.060 --> 56:39.200]  [SPEAKER_12]: Do you think it's popular?
[56:39.560 --> 56:43.960]  [SPEAKER_12]: Like, is that the website stream for the radio station?
[56:44.100 --> 56:44.520]  [SPEAKER_12]: Like, there?
[56:44.520 --> 56:46.400]  [SPEAKER_12]: So many people are trying to access it.
[56:46.520 --> 56:49.060]  [SPEAKER_12]: Like, they're having so much traffic.
[56:49.060 --> 56:49.560]  [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know.
[56:49.800 --> 56:50.540]  [SPEAKER_09]: I honestly don't know.
[56:50.720 --> 56:52.480]  [SPEAKER_12]: They just can't even control it.
[56:52.760 --> 56:54.160]  [SPEAKER_09]: To put it in the words...
[56:54.160 --> 56:55.440]  [SPEAKER_12]: How do I interpret it?
[56:55.440 --> 57:01.300]  [SPEAKER_09]: Of an Infotech executive, I do not have the bandwidth to deal with this right now.
[57:01.420 --> 57:01.960]  [SPEAKER_12]: Oh, you don't?
[57:02.080 --> 57:02.620]  [SPEAKER_09]: No, I don't.
[57:02.840 --> 57:07.880]  [SPEAKER_09]: So maybe somebody out there does and can call the radio station and offer to help them fix this.
[57:07.980 --> 57:10.640]  [SPEAKER_09]: But just be advised, it might not be as simple as you think.
[57:11.740 --> 57:12.140]  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
[57:12.340 --> 57:13.720]  [SPEAKER_09]: I am sorry about that.
[57:14.080 --> 57:14.560]  [SPEAKER_09]: Gila, go ahead.
[57:15.180 --> 57:15.380]  [SPEAKER_10]: Okay.
[57:15.560 --> 57:20.220]  [SPEAKER_10]: So I need to address something.
[57:20.360 --> 57:23.240]  [SPEAKER_10]: First of all, greetings to the 29 people who are here with us right now.
[57:23.240 --> 57:24.480]  [SPEAKER_10]: We're very glad you're here.
[57:25.400 --> 57:29.520]  [SPEAKER_10]: There is something dumb going on on YouTube.
[57:29.940 --> 57:32.020]  [SPEAKER_10]: And YouTube did it and we didn't do it.
[57:32.160 --> 57:34.540]  [SPEAKER_10]: And I have found out how to fix it.
[57:34.720 --> 57:35.700]  [SPEAKER_10]: So here's what happened.
[57:35.800 --> 57:39.140]  [SPEAKER_09]: Can we guess what the dumb thing YouTube did now is?
[57:39.260 --> 57:40.960]  [SPEAKER_10]: I would love for you to guess.
[57:41.280 --> 57:42.220]  [SPEAKER_09]: Can you give me a hint?
[57:43.260 --> 57:45.800]  [SPEAKER_10]: Uh, it has to do with the chat.
[57:46.220 --> 57:47.120]  [SPEAKER_09]: With the chat?
[57:47.620 --> 57:48.020]  [SPEAKER_10]: Yes.
[57:48.460 --> 57:48.760]  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
[57:49.700 --> 57:56.940]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, it might be something I did, but I was, I was changing a few settings, but, um, just out of fun, really.
[57:57.300 --> 57:58.260]  [SPEAKER_09]: Uh, but okay.
[57:58.320 --> 57:59.120]  [SPEAKER_09]: I have no idea.
[57:59.300 --> 58:00.280]  [SPEAKER_09]: I don't want to implicate myself.
[58:00.400 --> 58:00.820]  [SPEAKER_09]: So go ahead.
[58:00.920 --> 58:01.040]  [SPEAKER_10]: Okay.
[58:01.140 --> 58:01.860]  [SPEAKER_10]: Here's my question.
[58:02.020 --> 58:05.160]  [SPEAKER_10]: Did you enable the live leaderboard or did YouTube do that automatically?
[58:05.380 --> 58:06.140]  [SPEAKER_10]: I don't know what that is.
[58:06.140 --> 58:06.920]  [SPEAKER_10]: Okay.
[58:07.300 --> 58:09.160]  [SPEAKER_10]: So folks, here's the deal.
[58:09.380 --> 58:27.560]  [SPEAKER_10]: Uh, YouTube has enabled this thing where if you're participating in a live chat of this nature, you can like game the system and get experience points and become like the top fan or it'll rank the top 50 people.
[58:28.770 --> 58:34.040]  [SPEAKER_10]: And what I learned is that you can opt out of this.
[58:34.040 --> 58:39.380]  [SPEAKER_10]: YouTube opted everyone into it automatically, and you can opt yourself out of it right now.
[58:39.620 --> 58:40.540]  [SPEAKER_10]: Go in.
[58:40.880 --> 58:41.620]  [SPEAKER_09]: Hold on a second.
[58:41.780 --> 58:43.260]  [SPEAKER_09]: What, what, what exactly is this?
[58:43.460 --> 58:44.980]  [SPEAKER_12]: This sounds like long form TikTok.
[58:45.320 --> 58:46.900]  [SPEAKER_09]: What, what, what, what do people get?
[58:47.080 --> 58:50.380]  [SPEAKER_09]: The, what, what are, what are they, just please explain it a little, a little bit more.
[58:50.700 --> 58:53.460]  [SPEAKER_10]: So I'm explaining the best I can.
[58:53.740 --> 58:59.160]  [SPEAKER_10]: So apparently they've gotten like, they, they're trying to gamify live chat.
[58:59.240 --> 58:59.720]  [SPEAKER_08]: What does that mean?
[59:00.460 --> 59:11.880]  [SPEAKER_10]: It means that the person who makes the most comments, who's the most active participant or the most active follower, they're giving out badges for the top three participants right now.
[59:11.980 --> 59:13.100]  [SPEAKER_09]: What do you get with a badge?
[59:14.400 --> 59:17.640]  [SPEAKER_10]: Um, a warm, fuzzy feeling and a little thing next to your name.
[59:17.660 --> 59:17.800]  [SPEAKER_10]: Okay.
[59:17.820 --> 59:19.840]  [SPEAKER_09]: So why do we care if somebody gets a badge?
[59:19.960 --> 59:21.480]  [SPEAKER_09]: So we don't have to deal with that, right?
[59:21.940 --> 59:25.520]  [SPEAKER_10]: We don't have anything to do with it, but it's annoying.
[59:25.520 --> 59:29.600]  [SPEAKER_10]: So if you want to turn this off, we don't, I certainly don't know how to do it.
[59:29.660 --> 59:31.060]  [SPEAKER_10]: I'm not a, I'm not a channel owner.
[59:31.200 --> 59:32.160]  [SPEAKER_09]: I'm not a humble moderator.
[59:32.240 --> 59:33.160]  [SPEAKER_09]: I'm not challenging this.
[59:33.260 --> 59:37.260]  [SPEAKER_09]: I'm just asking what part is annoying that do we, are we seeing something or what?
[59:37.260 --> 59:37.560]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yes.
[59:37.760 --> 59:38.200]  [SPEAKER_09]: What do we see?
[59:38.220 --> 59:38.640]  [SPEAKER_09]: What do we see?
[59:38.680 --> 59:39.460]  [SPEAKER_09]: I don't look at the chat.
[59:40.340 --> 59:41.120]  [SPEAKER_10]: I know you don't.
[59:41.200 --> 59:47.780]  [SPEAKER_10]: So right now people who have badges, every time they chat, there's a little thing with a crown and a number next to their name.
[59:47.840 --> 59:49.200]  [SPEAKER_09]: A crown and a number.
[59:49.480 --> 59:49.700]  [SPEAKER_09]: Really?
[59:49.840 --> 59:50.840]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, really.
[59:51.080 --> 59:51.260]  [SPEAKER_09]: All right.
[59:51.320 --> 59:51.900]  [SPEAKER_09]: Hold on a second.
[59:52.020 --> 59:52.300]  [SPEAKER_09]: Hold on.
[59:52.360 --> 59:52.900]  [SPEAKER_09]: Who's number one?
[59:53.260 --> 59:53.920]  [SPEAKER_09]: I got to know.
[59:54.480 --> 59:56.600]  [SPEAKER_10]: Right now, our friend Lex is number one.
[59:56.780 --> 01:00:00.200]  [SPEAKER_10]: Friend of the pod, Lex Pendragon, Pendragon, I always say it wrong.
[01:00:00.900 --> 01:00:05.320]  [SPEAKER_09]: We were asked number one, and we refer to him as number one from now on to condemn this, please.
[01:00:05.860 --> 01:00:09.840]  [SPEAKER_09]: And then when everybody, since you are the leader, you have a crown, you say there's a crown?
[01:00:10.740 --> 01:00:11.100]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[01:00:11.360 --> 01:00:11.480]  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
[01:00:11.500 --> 01:00:12.500]  [SPEAKER_09]: So you are the king.
[01:00:13.760 --> 01:00:17.020]  [SPEAKER_09]: People will follow and they will not question if they know what's good for them.
[01:00:17.420 --> 01:00:20.640]  [SPEAKER_10]: So actually what he said was, I'll opt out and give up the monarchy.
[01:00:20.980 --> 01:00:21.720]  [SPEAKER_10]: Enjoy your anarchy.
[01:00:22.140 --> 01:00:23.640]  [SPEAKER_10]: We let Gila tell us how.
[01:00:24.180 --> 01:00:24.580]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yes.
[01:00:24.740 --> 01:00:24.980]  [SPEAKER_09]: How?
[01:00:25.140 --> 01:00:26.760]  [SPEAKER_09]: How, Gila, do we embrace anarchy?
[01:00:26.880 --> 01:00:27.020]  [SPEAKER_09]: Please.
[01:00:27.440 --> 01:00:28.060]  [SPEAKER_10]: All right, folks.
[01:00:28.280 --> 01:00:31.220]  [SPEAKER_10]: If you're in YouTube, go to settings.
[01:00:32.420 --> 01:00:34.480]  [SPEAKER_10]: Go to privacy.
[01:00:36.160 --> 01:00:40.520]  [SPEAKER_10]: Scroll down and under live chat, turn off leaderboard participation.
[01:00:41.140 --> 01:00:41.520]  [SPEAKER_09]: Wait, wait, wait, wait.
[01:00:41.640 --> 01:00:42.000]  [SPEAKER_09]: Hold on.
[01:00:42.040 --> 01:00:42.500]  [SPEAKER_09]: I'm sorry.
[01:00:42.680 --> 01:00:44.340]  [SPEAKER_09]: But this is just so bizarre and crazy.
[01:00:44.580 --> 01:00:46.700]  [SPEAKER_09]: You're saying that everybody has to do that themselves?
[01:00:46.860 --> 01:00:49.040]  [SPEAKER_09]: What if one person doesn't do it and they're a real dick?
[01:00:49.160 --> 01:00:50.660]  [SPEAKER_09]: They're just going to be number one forever, right?
[01:00:50.660 --> 01:00:51.940]  [SPEAKER_10]: So here's the thing.
[01:00:52.280 --> 01:00:54.400]  [SPEAKER_10]: Once you opt out, you don't see it anymore.
[01:00:55.500 --> 01:00:57.400]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, but they will.
[01:00:58.120 --> 01:00:58.700]  [SPEAKER_09]: I know they will.
[01:00:58.700 --> 01:01:00.640]  [SPEAKER_09]: The person who thinks they're a king is going to see that forever.
[01:01:00.840 --> 01:01:02.000]  [SPEAKER_09]: What is the point in this?
[01:01:02.120 --> 01:01:04.760]  [SPEAKER_09]: Just to get people to say things, even though it doesn't mean anything?
[01:01:05.280 --> 01:01:10.880]  [SPEAKER_10]: Yes, I honestly think that YouTube is attempting to just, like, gamify the thing.
[01:01:12.840 --> 01:01:14.560]  [SPEAKER_10]: And, Dory, we see your questions.
[01:01:14.560 --> 01:01:15.000]  [SPEAKER_10]: Hang on.
[01:01:15.040 --> 01:01:17.160]  [SPEAKER_10]: We'll come back to talk about the live stream in just a second.
[01:01:17.220 --> 01:01:18.340]  [SPEAKER_10]: I'm just getting cranky.
[01:01:19.620 --> 01:01:22.980]  [SPEAKER_10]: So basically, there's, like, super chat and stuff.
[01:01:23.080 --> 01:01:24.000]  [SPEAKER_10]: They're trying to make it more...
[01:01:24.000 --> 01:01:25.720]  [SPEAKER_10]: I think they're trying to make it twitchier, honestly.
[01:01:26.240 --> 01:01:27.300]  [SPEAKER_09]: Did you say super chat?
[01:01:27.840 --> 01:01:28.640]  [SPEAKER_10]: I did.
[01:01:28.640 --> 01:01:29.140]  [SPEAKER_10]: I am sorry to say.
[01:01:29.140 --> 01:01:30.500]  [SPEAKER_10]: What the hell is super chat?
[01:01:30.780 --> 01:01:37.480]  [SPEAKER_10]: What I think is happening is that YouTube Live is attempting to, like, compete more in the Twitch stream.
[01:01:38.080 --> 01:01:38.940]  [SPEAKER_10]: Or the...
[01:01:38.940 --> 01:01:40.040]  [SPEAKER_10]: I'm sorry, the Twitch sphere.
[01:01:40.560 --> 01:01:41.220]  [SPEAKER_09]: Maybe, yeah.
[01:01:41.360 --> 01:01:42.440]  [SPEAKER_10]: In the streaming sphere.
[01:01:42.660 --> 01:01:44.240]  [SPEAKER_10]: So they're trying to do things that, like...
[01:01:44.240 --> 01:01:46.340]  [SPEAKER_09]: YouTube needs to see a doctor, it sounds like.
[01:01:46.760 --> 01:01:47.280]  [SPEAKER_10]: Yes.
[01:01:47.460 --> 01:01:49.140]  [SPEAKER_10]: So the upshot is...
[01:01:49.140 --> 01:01:54.540]  [SPEAKER_10]: Oh, you need to go to privacy, turn on the switches in live chat.
[01:01:54.780 --> 01:01:58.640]  [SPEAKER_10]: If you turn on the switch, it will turn off the leaderboard.
[01:01:58.640 --> 01:02:01.300]  [SPEAKER_09]: Why can't the people running the chat, i.e.
[01:02:01.300 --> 01:02:04.540]  [SPEAKER_09]: you, turn this off so that we're not annoyed by it?
[01:02:05.140 --> 01:02:05.620]  [SPEAKER_10]: Exactly.
[01:02:05.620 --> 01:02:07.280]  [SPEAKER_10]: I can't find that information.
[01:02:07.500 --> 01:02:11.700]  [SPEAKER_10]: And frankly, even if I could, I don't think I have the permissions to do it.
[01:02:11.800 --> 01:02:15.780]  [SPEAKER_10]: I think this is probably something at the channel ownership level, which I don't have.
[01:02:15.900 --> 01:02:21.940]  [SPEAKER_09]: Do you remember how long and how hard I argued against having chat in the first place?
[01:02:22.160 --> 01:02:24.500]  [SPEAKER_09]: Because I said something stupid is going to happen.
[01:02:24.740 --> 01:02:26.180]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, something stupid happened.
[01:02:26.180 --> 01:02:29.160]  [SPEAKER_10]: Something stupid happened, but it's really easy to fix.
[01:02:29.480 --> 01:02:34.000]  [SPEAKER_10]: It takes two seconds to fix, and then it's not going to be an issue anymore.
[01:02:34.120 --> 01:02:43.680]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, but if somebody comes in who doesn't agree with how we believe it should be, they're just going to be the forever king or queen.
[01:02:43.860 --> 01:02:45.080]  [SPEAKER_09]: Is it just kings or queens?
[01:02:45.360 --> 01:02:46.200]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's a crown.
[01:02:46.360 --> 01:02:46.520]  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
[01:02:47.860 --> 01:02:48.560]  [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know.
[01:02:48.680 --> 01:02:51.420]  [SPEAKER_09]: This is weird.
[01:02:51.660 --> 01:02:52.340]  [SPEAKER_09]: This is very weird.
[01:02:54.760 --> 01:02:55.160]  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
[01:02:55.360 --> 01:02:56.380]  [SPEAKER_10]: No, it's completely bizarre.
[01:02:56.620 --> 01:02:58.740]  [SPEAKER_09]: Alex, why are you wagging your finger at us?
[01:02:58.920 --> 01:03:02.300]  [SPEAKER_09]: Do you not agree that we feel monarchy is wrong?
[01:03:03.980 --> 01:03:05.100]  [SPEAKER_13]: I don't disagree.
[01:03:05.300 --> 01:03:08.340]  [SPEAKER_13]: I don't think any of what you're saying is disagreeable here for once.
[01:03:08.580 --> 01:03:12.060]  [SPEAKER_13]: But I was just wondering if somebody could read out the phone call.
[01:03:12.220 --> 01:03:13.780]  [SPEAKER_13]: I feel like we're due for a phone call.
[01:03:13.880 --> 01:03:15.780]  [SPEAKER_13]: This is the phone-in portion of the show.
[01:03:15.780 --> 01:03:19.860]  [SPEAKER_09]: The only reason you would say that is because you've already called the number or something, and you think that's funny.
[01:03:20.640 --> 01:03:21.040]  [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, yeah.
[01:03:22.060 --> 01:03:22.940]  [SPEAKER_12]: 802-321.
[01:03:23.880 --> 01:03:24.540]  [SPEAKER_12]: Oh, sorry.
[01:03:24.560 --> 01:03:27.780]  [SPEAKER_09]: We're trying to fix a situation here, Alex, in case you haven't noticed.
[01:03:28.520 --> 01:03:29.640]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's pretty serious.
[01:03:29.980 --> 01:03:30.440]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's pretty serious.
[01:03:30.460 --> 01:03:32.300]  [SPEAKER_13]: We've got to hit the overwits with Rebel, you know?
[01:03:32.840 --> 01:03:34.240]  [SPEAKER_09]: He's in Russia or something.
[01:03:34.360 --> 01:03:35.920]  [SPEAKER_09]: God knows what's going on with him.
[01:03:36.340 --> 01:03:37.300]  [SPEAKER_09]: He's a man of meat.
[01:03:38.220 --> 01:03:39.100]  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay, so...
[01:03:39.100 --> 01:03:40.820]  [SPEAKER_12]: We just want basic chat.
[01:03:41.460 --> 01:03:44.440]  [SPEAKER_09]: So have the crowns disappeared, Aguila?
[01:03:44.440 --> 01:03:46.160]  [SPEAKER_09]: Is everything under control?
[01:03:46.920 --> 01:03:48.020]  [SPEAKER_10]: Mine have disappeared.
[01:03:48.500 --> 01:03:49.340]  [SPEAKER_10]: Rob's have disappeared.
[01:03:49.560 --> 01:03:52.240]  [SPEAKER_10]: I think slowly but surely people are starting to make that happen.
[01:03:52.420 --> 01:03:54.740]  [SPEAKER_10]: If you can live with them now, turn it off before next week.
[01:03:55.100 --> 01:03:56.560]  [SPEAKER_10]: That's totally fine.
[01:03:57.860 --> 01:03:59.080]  [SPEAKER_10]: Did want to...
[01:03:59.680 --> 01:04:01.480]  [SPEAKER_10]: And also, yes, it is confirmed.
[01:04:02.220 --> 01:04:03.100]  [SPEAKER_10]: This is stupid.
[01:04:04.020 --> 01:04:06.080]  [SPEAKER_10]: So thank you, everybody, for hanging with us.
[01:04:07.180 --> 01:04:07.620]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yes?
[01:04:08.040 --> 01:04:10.700]  [SPEAKER_09]: No, I'm just wondering who had the authority to confirm that it was stupid.
[01:04:10.820 --> 01:04:11.340]  [SPEAKER_09]: That's all.
[01:04:11.340 --> 01:04:12.220]  [SPEAKER_10]: The former king.
[01:04:13.040 --> 01:04:13.660]  [SPEAKER_09]: All right, you know what?
[01:04:13.660 --> 01:04:14.580]  [SPEAKER_09]: I'm done with this conversation.
[01:04:14.740 --> 01:04:15.300]  [SPEAKER_09]: Let's take a phone call.
[01:04:16.260 --> 01:04:18.140]  [SPEAKER_09]: Wait, 802-321-4225.
[01:04:18.640 --> 01:04:20.500]  [SPEAKER_09]: Call us and save us from this nonsense.
[01:04:20.680 --> 01:04:24.560]  [SPEAKER_09]: How about if you post as a king, you go into a timeout?
[01:04:24.700 --> 01:04:26.960]  [SPEAKER_09]: Because that's what should happen to every king, I think.
[01:04:27.100 --> 01:04:29.560]  [SPEAKER_09]: Put him in a timeout for, like, you know, a decade.
[01:04:30.240 --> 01:04:31.740]  [SPEAKER_12]: 8-3-3-5...
[01:04:32.360 --> 01:04:32.760]  [SPEAKER_12]: Whoa.
[01:04:33.100 --> 01:04:34.600]  [SPEAKER_12]: I really wanted to get to the fives.
[01:04:34.860 --> 01:04:37.480]  [SPEAKER_12]: 7-5-5-2-6-0-0.
[01:04:37.660 --> 01:04:39.220]  [SPEAKER_12]: That's 8-3-3...
[01:04:39.220 --> 01:04:40.000]  [SPEAKER_09]: Why are you reading these numbers?
[01:04:40.000 --> 01:04:40.700]  [SPEAKER_09]: What numbers are these?
[01:04:42.420 --> 01:04:43.220]  [SPEAKER_12]: That's our...
[01:04:43.220 --> 01:04:43.460]  [SPEAKER_12]: Toll-free number.
[01:04:43.460 --> 01:04:44.780]  [SPEAKER_09]: The secret toll-free number.
[01:04:44.960 --> 01:04:45.120]  [SPEAKER_12]: What?
[01:04:45.220 --> 01:04:46.380]  [SPEAKER_12]: It wasn't supposed to be secret.
[01:04:46.380 --> 01:04:48.120]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, it's not secret anymore, but go ahead.
[01:04:48.180 --> 01:04:48.640]  [SPEAKER_09]: Give it out again.
[01:04:49.440 --> 01:04:49.820]  [SPEAKER_12]: All right.
[01:04:49.840 --> 01:04:50.860]  [SPEAKER_12]: I'm going to give out the other one.
[01:04:51.020 --> 01:04:51.200]  [SPEAKER_12]: No.
[01:04:51.480 --> 01:04:54.620]  [SPEAKER_12]: 802-321-4225.
[01:04:54.940 --> 01:04:55.680]  [SPEAKER_12]: I'll read it backwards.
[01:04:56.120 --> 01:04:57.180]  [SPEAKER_09]: No, don't do that.
[01:04:57.220 --> 01:04:58.760]  [SPEAKER_09]: Because you're going to call somebody.
[01:04:58.940 --> 01:04:59.140]  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
[01:04:59.420 --> 01:05:00.620]  [SPEAKER_09]: 8-3-3...
[01:05:00.620 --> 01:05:00.980]  [SPEAKER_09]: What?
[01:05:00.980 --> 01:05:04.020]  [SPEAKER_12]: 7-5-5-2-6-0-0.
[01:05:04.020 --> 01:05:06.120]  [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, like in 2600.
[01:05:06.240 --> 01:05:06.380]  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
[01:05:06.520 --> 01:05:06.760]  [SPEAKER_09]: I get it.
[01:05:06.840 --> 01:05:07.460]  [SPEAKER_09]: That's cool.
[01:05:08.320 --> 01:05:09.060]  [SPEAKER_09]: All right.
[01:05:09.300 --> 01:05:15.100]  [SPEAKER_09]: As the phone calls are coming in so fast that they're colliding and not ringing.
[01:05:15.320 --> 01:05:26.620]  [SPEAKER_12]: You can also ask questions or share a story on the YouTube chat, as Gila had discussed in our previous couple minutes here.
[01:05:26.620 --> 01:05:33.380]  [SPEAKER_12]: But the phone is connected and awaiting operators are, you know, they're around.
[01:05:33.640 --> 01:05:35.160]  [SPEAKER_09]: Operators are getting frustrated is what's happening.
[01:05:35.260 --> 01:05:35.920]  [SPEAKER_12]: They're hanging out.
[01:05:36.700 --> 01:05:37.440]  [SPEAKER_09]: All right.
[01:05:37.640 --> 01:05:43.160]  [SPEAKER_09]: So if I look on any YouTube channel, I'm going to see this mayhem playing out.
[01:05:43.220 --> 01:05:43.740]  [SPEAKER_09]: Is that what you're saying?
[01:05:44.300 --> 01:05:50.960]  [SPEAKER_10]: If you haven't adjusted your settings and you go into a live stream, yes.
[01:05:51.500 --> 01:05:51.900]  [SPEAKER_09]: Wow.
[01:05:52.060 --> 01:05:52.920]  [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, it's got to be live.
[01:05:53.360 --> 01:05:53.800]  [SPEAKER_09]: Uh-huh.
[01:05:54.500 --> 01:05:56.900]  [SPEAKER_09]: I guess most chats probably are live, right?
[01:05:57.040 --> 01:05:58.140]  [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, otherwise, it's a comment.
[01:05:58.680 --> 01:05:59.080]  [SPEAKER_10]: Right.
[01:05:59.380 --> 01:06:05.260]  [SPEAKER_10]: So I think basically what they're trying to do is emulate a lot of what's going on in, like, TikTok and Twitch.
[01:06:05.680 --> 01:06:07.720]  [SPEAKER_12]: People can donate that way, too, right?
[01:06:07.940 --> 01:06:08.340]  [SPEAKER_10]: Exactly.
[01:06:08.360 --> 01:06:09.840]  [SPEAKER_11]: That's a lot of what the Super Chat stuff is.
[01:06:10.260 --> 01:06:11.160]  [SPEAKER_11]: That's what this is.
[01:06:11.280 --> 01:06:14.940]  [SPEAKER_11]: They're trying to get people to spend money on Super Chat, which is...
[01:06:14.940 --> 01:06:15.840]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, hold on.
[01:06:15.920 --> 01:06:17.860]  [SPEAKER_09]: How do you spend money on a YouTube chat?
[01:06:17.960 --> 01:06:18.880]  [SPEAKER_09]: I want to hear this.
[01:06:18.940 --> 01:06:21.140]  [SPEAKER_09]: How do you spend money on a YouTube chat?
[01:06:21.140 --> 01:06:32.100]  [SPEAKER_11]: There is a way to click and buy a Super Chat, which I think makes your chat bigger somehow on the screen, and Super Stickers, which are what they sound like, just little sticker images.
[01:06:32.280 --> 01:06:34.380]  [SPEAKER_09]: Wait, well, people are paying to make a window bigger?
[01:06:34.640 --> 01:06:36.720]  [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, like real estate for their...
[01:06:36.720 --> 01:06:39.720]  [SPEAKER_11]: Like, make your text bigger in the chat so you stand out.
[01:06:39.960 --> 01:06:41.780]  [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, so what you say is...
[01:06:41.780 --> 01:06:43.340]  [SPEAKER_09]: Have we all lost our minds?
[01:06:43.340 --> 01:06:43.660]  [SPEAKER_09]: Really?
[01:06:43.820 --> 01:06:44.660]  [SPEAKER_09]: This is awful.
[01:06:45.460 --> 01:06:46.700]  [SPEAKER_09]: This is terrible.
[01:06:47.200 --> 01:06:49.000]  [SPEAKER_12]: No, it's not us.
[01:06:49.500 --> 01:06:51.040]  [SPEAKER_12]: I didn't say it was us.
[01:06:51.420 --> 01:06:53.380]  [SPEAKER_12]: Everything changing around us.
[01:06:53.620 --> 01:06:58.440]  [SPEAKER_09]: No, everything being destroyed in front of us, it's just completely wrong.
[01:06:59.220 --> 01:07:01.500]  [SPEAKER_09]: All right, well, how about this?
[01:07:02.140 --> 01:07:03.180]  [SPEAKER_09]: We post...
[01:07:03.180 --> 01:07:03.600]  [SPEAKER_09]: Can we do this?
[01:07:03.640 --> 01:07:22.740]  [SPEAKER_09]: Can we post a note when people enter the chat saying, okay, we know it's not your fault, but if you leave this stupid crown thing on and you don't turn it off, and you post more than twice after a warning, you get banned or muted or executed or whatever the term is now in YouTube chat.
[01:07:22.740 --> 01:07:23.160]  [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know.
[01:07:24.740 --> 01:07:33.440]  [SPEAKER_10]: I mean, the thing is that at least for me, and I think for Rob as well, once you turn it off for you, it turns it off for everyone.
[01:07:33.980 --> 01:07:34.700]  [SPEAKER_11]: Wait, what?
[01:07:34.700 --> 01:07:35.480]  [SPEAKER_11]: On your view of them.
[01:07:36.200 --> 01:07:40.120]  [SPEAKER_10]: I can't see it anymore unless I hit the crown at the top.
[01:07:41.300 --> 01:07:52.360]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, but you should see it as the admin because, you know, just turning it off, it's like, okay, it's like the problem that we had with Gmail, where all our mail was going to spam.
[01:07:53.900 --> 01:08:04.680]  [SPEAKER_09]: And one of our co-admins here, who I won't name because I don't want to embarrass them, said that they were able to fix the problem by simply whitelisting us.
[01:08:05.500 --> 01:08:14.080]  [SPEAKER_09]: And of course, that might have fixed the problem for that particular person, but we were still being relegated to spam for everybody else on earth.
[01:08:14.760 --> 01:08:21.420]  [SPEAKER_09]: So if you want to fix the problem, you have to remain in that state so that you see, hey, it's still going to spam.
[01:08:21.920 --> 01:08:22.720]  [SPEAKER_09]: That's not right.
[01:08:22.810 --> 01:08:25.620]  [SPEAKER_09]: Rather than say, oh, I fixed the problem, but I only fixed the problem for me.
[01:08:25.620 --> 01:08:34.620]  [SPEAKER_09]: So in your particular case, I would advise, keep this thing on so that you see if anybody is, you know, is using the monarchy against us.
[01:08:37.880 --> 01:08:38.280]  [SPEAKER_09]: Right?
[01:08:40.780 --> 01:08:41.680]  [SPEAKER_09]: Do I have to?
[01:08:41.940 --> 01:08:44.480]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, I mean, otherwise, people are going to abuse the system.
[01:08:44.640 --> 01:08:46.120]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's unfortunate, but...
[01:08:46.120 --> 01:08:51.540]  [SPEAKER_10]: I mean, the thing is, though, that it's just going to give them a little badge.
[01:08:52.660 --> 01:08:53.940]  [SPEAKER_10]: It doesn't do anything.
[01:08:54.120 --> 01:08:55.200]  [SPEAKER_10]: It doesn't give them anything.
[01:08:56.300 --> 01:08:58.120]  [SPEAKER_09]: Are you now accepting it?
[01:08:59.620 --> 01:09:01.240]  [SPEAKER_09]: Are you now saying it's not so bad?
[01:09:01.440 --> 01:09:02.280]  [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, I think it's terrible.
[01:09:03.240 --> 01:09:04.220]  [SPEAKER_10]: Yes, it is.
[01:09:04.560 --> 01:09:12.060]  [SPEAKER_10]: But now that I and a lot of other people are opting out of it, I think we've figured out a workaround.
[01:09:12.820 --> 01:09:18.460]  [SPEAKER_09]: In the 1700s, our forefathers fought against a monarchy.
[01:09:18.580 --> 01:09:20.100]  [SPEAKER_09]: And that is everything this country stands for.
[01:09:20.100 --> 01:09:26.440]  [SPEAKER_09]: That is everything around us is because we fought against King George.
[01:09:27.000 --> 01:09:27.680]  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay?
[01:09:28.180 --> 01:09:38.760]  [SPEAKER_09]: To leave the traces of monarchy in our chat, you might as well just dig up their graves now and, like, you know, put a condo over it.
[01:09:38.840 --> 01:09:40.100]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's wrong.
[01:09:40.340 --> 01:09:41.280]  [SPEAKER_09]: I won't have it.
[01:09:42.480 --> 01:09:46.500]  [SPEAKER_09]: And we don't have any damn phone calls either, so that proves something.
[01:09:47.300 --> 01:09:49.980]  [SPEAKER_12]: Uh, 802-321-4225.
[01:09:50.120 --> 01:09:55.480]  [SPEAKER_12]: If you've never called a radio program before, you should try it.
[01:09:56.300 --> 01:10:01.840]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I'm not sure you'll be doing that today if you call us, but, uh, you'll definitely be calling something.
[01:10:02.260 --> 01:10:09.160]  [SPEAKER_12]: But if you want to call us, you could also dial 833-755-2600.
[01:10:09.760 --> 01:10:15.000]  [SPEAKER_12]: You could also use your telephone to call anyone else in the world.
[01:10:15.240 --> 01:10:16.900]  [SPEAKER_12]: I mean, literally anyone.
[01:10:17.300 --> 01:10:18.500]  [SPEAKER_09]: If you have that phone number, absolutely.
[01:10:18.500 --> 01:10:21.660]  [SPEAKER_12]: I mean, basically, it's this thing.
[01:10:21.860 --> 01:10:24.220]  [SPEAKER_12]: It's like an icon on your phone.
[01:10:24.220 --> 01:10:25.440]  [SPEAKER_12]: It comes with your phone.
[01:10:25.440 --> 01:10:26.540]  [SPEAKER_12]: You don't have to download it.
[01:10:26.860 --> 01:10:42.020]  [SPEAKER_12]: And then you can find this, like, other icon for a keypad, and then you can just basically use numbers to, to use your voice to go on other parts of the world and then back.
[01:10:42.220 --> 01:10:46.340]  [SPEAKER_12]: And then someone there might hear you, and then you, you hear them.
[01:10:46.480 --> 01:10:47.460]  [SPEAKER_12]: And then, yeah.
[01:10:47.680 --> 01:10:50.040]  [SPEAKER_12]: And if you speak the same language, it might go well.
[01:10:50.980 --> 01:10:54.260]  [SPEAKER_12]: So anyway, 802-321-4225.
[01:10:54.260 --> 01:10:55.240]  [SPEAKER_09]: I'm sorry, I tuned out.
[01:10:55.300 --> 01:10:58.180]  [SPEAKER_09]: I always think of castles and other things.
[01:10:58.380 --> 01:11:04.660]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, yeah, what would be the appropriate icons if Google is even going to fix this based on your critique?
[01:11:04.680 --> 01:11:15.040]  [SPEAKER_12]: I was trying to think, like, maybe some kind of benevolent regime that basically just does whatever they want and, like, consolidates power.
[01:11:15.040 --> 01:11:16.940]  [SPEAKER_12]: What kind of icons would those be?
[01:11:17.140 --> 01:11:22.820]  [SPEAKER_09]: You know, let's not, let's not give them any hints as to how they can exploit this even any further.
[01:11:23.160 --> 01:11:27.580]  [SPEAKER_12]: How about, like, an oligarchical CEO, like, that kind of hierarchy?
[01:11:27.620 --> 01:11:36.840]  [SPEAKER_12]: Maybe Google could implement that, like, have basically, like, a turtleneck or some kind of, I don't know, tech...
[01:11:36.840 --> 01:11:42.600]  [SPEAKER_09]: Gila, when someone opts out of this, do they have to opt out every time they sign in or is it permanent?
[01:11:43.340 --> 01:11:46.100]  [SPEAKER_10]: That is an excellent question that I don't know the answer to.
[01:11:46.240 --> 01:11:52.400]  [SPEAKER_10]: The other thing is, everything I'm finding online is that the onus is on the user to opt out.
[01:11:52.400 --> 01:11:56.600]  [SPEAKER_10]: There does not appear to be a way for a channel to opt out.
[01:11:57.600 --> 01:11:58.380]  [SPEAKER_09]: That's crazy.
[01:11:58.520 --> 01:11:59.180]  [SPEAKER_09]: That's just insane.
[01:11:59.860 --> 01:12:01.540]  [SPEAKER_12]: I mean, I was wondering if the...
[01:12:01.540 --> 01:12:01.640]  [SPEAKER_12]: Google.
[01:12:02.020 --> 01:12:05.360]  [SPEAKER_12]: If the monetization could help, like, a radio station.
[01:12:05.520 --> 01:12:07.020]  [SPEAKER_12]: Like, if a radio station was using...
[01:12:07.020 --> 01:12:08.140]  [SPEAKER_12]: Is that what it would...
[01:12:08.140 --> 01:12:09.240]  [SPEAKER_12]: How you would do it?
[01:12:09.340 --> 01:12:09.640]  [SPEAKER_09]: How?
[01:12:09.780 --> 01:12:11.860]  [SPEAKER_09]: In what world does that help anybody?
[01:12:11.860 --> 01:12:13.960]  [SPEAKER_12]: Who are they trying to, like...
[01:12:13.960 --> 01:12:18.900]  [SPEAKER_12]: Does everyone necessarily want to monetize what they put on YouTube?
[01:12:20.380 --> 01:12:21.220]  [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know.
[01:12:21.480 --> 01:12:22.200]  [SPEAKER_09]: I think...
[01:12:22.200 --> 01:12:23.780]  [SPEAKER_12]: In, like, a cutesy way like this?
[01:12:23.780 --> 01:12:24.840]  [SPEAKER_12]: Google probably believes that.
[01:12:24.920 --> 01:12:26.240]  [SPEAKER_12]: I mean, here's the thing.
[01:12:26.300 --> 01:12:27.000]  [SPEAKER_12]: Why would you start...
[01:12:27.000 --> 01:12:32.600]  [SPEAKER_12]: Why wouldn't you say, just check this box when we put an alert on the chat?
[01:12:32.700 --> 01:12:34.660]  [SPEAKER_12]: Like, hey, we're doing this new thing.
[01:12:34.820 --> 01:12:36.440]  [SPEAKER_12]: Hit this box on this ad.
[01:12:36.440 --> 01:12:42.780]  [SPEAKER_09]: If I go to the Pope's channel, okay, I guarantee you there will be an ad from Google on there somewhere.
[01:12:42.940 --> 01:12:43.000]  [SPEAKER_09]: Right.
[01:12:43.100 --> 01:12:44.360]  [SPEAKER_12]: They already monetized that way.
[01:12:44.460 --> 01:12:49.760]  [SPEAKER_09]: And that means that the Pope is opting in to monetizing his YouTube channel.
[01:12:49.860 --> 01:12:51.360]  [SPEAKER_09]: Do you really think he needs to do that?
[01:12:51.700 --> 01:12:55.220]  [SPEAKER_09]: But in the eyes of Google, everybody should be doing this.
[01:12:55.340 --> 01:12:59.840]  [SPEAKER_09]: And that's why you won't see ads on our channel because we specifically opted out of that.
[01:13:00.300 --> 01:13:01.740]  [SPEAKER_09]: But not everybody does that.
[01:13:01.820 --> 01:13:03.320]  [SPEAKER_09]: Not everybody even knows how to do that.
[01:13:03.540 --> 01:13:11.460]  [SPEAKER_09]: And it's just, if you don't stand up to this awfulness that Google is spreading around, it's going to become normal.
[01:13:11.720 --> 01:13:12.460]  [SPEAKER_09]: And it's not normal.
[01:13:12.660 --> 01:13:13.080]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's wrong.
[01:13:13.300 --> 01:13:15.380]  [SPEAKER_09]: Most people don't make anything out of those ads.
[01:13:15.580 --> 01:13:17.320]  [SPEAKER_09]: They make maybe 50 cents or something.
[01:13:17.660 --> 01:13:18.760]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's not worth it.
[01:13:18.920 --> 01:13:20.120]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's so not worth it.
[01:13:20.280 --> 01:13:23.420]  [SPEAKER_09]: So please, whenever you can, turn that crap off.
[01:13:23.880 --> 01:13:24.240]  [SPEAKER_09]: All right.
[01:13:24.300 --> 01:13:25.960]  [SPEAKER_09]: Is it possible our ringer is off?
[01:13:26.080 --> 01:13:28.240]  [SPEAKER_09]: I have to ask that when we have no phone calls.
[01:13:28.240 --> 01:13:29.040]  [SPEAKER_09]: Usually we have something.
[01:13:29.800 --> 01:13:32.880]  [SPEAKER_09]: 802-321-4225 is our phone number.
[01:13:33.280 --> 01:13:35.660]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, picking up the receiver doesn't say the ringer is off.
[01:13:35.840 --> 01:13:37.360]  [SPEAKER_09]: How does that prove anything?
[01:13:38.340 --> 01:13:40.500]  [SPEAKER_09]: Just have to know the ringer so we can hear the phone ringing.
[01:13:41.500 --> 01:13:41.900]  [SPEAKER_12]: Right.
[01:13:42.120 --> 01:13:44.600]  [SPEAKER_12]: It would ring loudly.
[01:13:44.720 --> 01:13:47.120]  [SPEAKER_09]: If the ringer is on, that's what I'm asking.
[01:13:47.180 --> 01:13:47.720]  [SPEAKER_09]: The ringer is on.
[01:13:47.720 --> 01:13:51.160]  [SPEAKER_12]: It is on here as well as in other parts of the building.
[01:13:51.400 --> 01:13:51.580]  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
[01:13:51.600 --> 01:13:52.980]  [SPEAKER_09]: So we should hear it.
[01:13:52.980 --> 01:13:54.220]  [SPEAKER_09]: So nobody's calling us, basically.
[01:13:55.900 --> 01:14:02.640]  [SPEAKER_12]: 802-321-4225 If you want to call a YouTube stream, now is your opportunity.
[01:14:02.880 --> 01:14:03.080]  [SPEAKER_09]: All right.
[01:14:03.100 --> 01:14:04.060]  [SPEAKER_09]: See, now it's working.
[01:14:04.160 --> 01:14:04.280]  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
[01:14:04.340 --> 01:14:07.220]  [SPEAKER_09]: We just have to shame people a little bit and then it happens.
[01:14:10.000 --> 01:14:11.000]  [SPEAKER_09]: Are you going to pick up the phone?
[01:14:11.100 --> 01:14:11.500]  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay, good.
[01:14:11.660 --> 01:14:11.940]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yes.
[01:14:12.400 --> 01:14:12.740]  [SPEAKER_12]: All right.
[01:14:12.860 --> 01:14:13.800]  [SPEAKER_12]: I think there's someone there.
[01:14:14.020 --> 01:14:14.180]  [SPEAKER_09]: All right.
[01:14:14.260 --> 01:14:14.560]  [SPEAKER_09]: Let's hope so.
[01:14:14.560 --> 01:14:14.940]  [SPEAKER_09]: Good evening.
[01:14:15.100 --> 01:14:16.660]  [SPEAKER_09]: You're on Off The Hook Overtime.
[01:14:16.740 --> 01:14:16.940]  [SPEAKER_09]: Go ahead.
[01:14:18.000 --> 01:14:18.280]  [SPEAKER_05]: Hello.
[01:14:18.460 --> 01:14:20.520]  [SPEAKER_05]: There is a loud buzz that I'm hearing.
[01:14:20.800 --> 01:14:21.400]  [SPEAKER_05]: But anyway...
[01:14:21.400 --> 01:14:21.800]  [SPEAKER_09]: God's sake.
[01:14:21.960 --> 01:14:25.120]  [SPEAKER_09]: The buzzing is just never going to leave us, is it?
[01:14:26.820 --> 01:14:28.500]  [SPEAKER_09]: If we touch wires, it disappears.
[01:14:30.660 --> 01:14:38.220]  [SPEAKER_05]: Sometimes when I go to Overtime, it's very prominent when I go to Channel 2200.
[01:14:38.480 --> 01:14:38.780]  [SPEAKER_09]: Uh-huh.
[01:14:40.720 --> 01:14:43.360]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, we don't hear it very much right now.
[01:14:43.480 --> 01:14:45.000]  [SPEAKER_09]: So if you could muddle through, that would be great.
[01:14:45.060 --> 01:14:46.080]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, you sound fantastic.
[01:14:47.780 --> 01:14:48.180]  [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[01:14:48.320 --> 01:14:50.180]  [SPEAKER_05]: I sound good because there's a lot of buzz.
[01:14:50.800 --> 01:14:53.580]  [SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, this time...
[01:14:54.900 --> 01:14:55.700]  [SPEAKER_05]: This time...
[01:14:55.700 --> 01:14:57.140]  [SPEAKER_05]: Unless I forgot the word channel.
[01:14:57.400 --> 01:15:00.200]  [SPEAKER_05]: No, I don't think it would work if I forgot the word channel.
[01:15:01.340 --> 01:15:02.980]  [SPEAKER_05]: You're still there or the buzz went away.
[01:15:03.420 --> 01:15:03.960]  [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, okay.
[01:15:03.960 --> 01:15:06.080]  [SPEAKER_12]: I adjusted the send level.
[01:15:06.260 --> 01:15:08.000]  [SPEAKER_12]: So can you still hear my voice, though?
[01:15:09.300 --> 01:15:11.580]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, but when you talk, the buzz comes back.
[01:15:11.960 --> 01:15:15.060]  [SPEAKER_09]: You know, I've often said that about Kyle when he talks, there's a buzz.
[01:15:15.920 --> 01:15:17.600]  [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, it happened for you, too, Emmanuel.
[01:15:19.720 --> 01:15:21.900]  [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, there's a buzz attached to me as well.
[01:15:22.020 --> 01:15:22.220]  [SPEAKER_09]: Wow.
[01:15:22.320 --> 01:15:22.800]  [SPEAKER_09]: How about that?
[01:15:23.880 --> 01:15:24.100]  [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[01:15:24.260 --> 01:15:25.300]  [SPEAKER_05]: Now, when I...
[01:15:25.300 --> 01:15:28.180]  [SPEAKER_05]: When this time I went to it, I had to...
[01:15:29.220 --> 01:15:32.920]  [SPEAKER_05]: I had to click on live under the channel.
[01:15:33.680 --> 01:15:37.000]  [SPEAKER_05]: Otherwise, I didn't see where the live stream was.
[01:15:37.840 --> 01:15:38.300]  [SPEAKER_09]: All right.
[01:15:38.340 --> 01:15:40.640]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, that just sounds like an interface issue.
[01:15:41.720 --> 01:15:42.340]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[01:15:42.620 --> 01:15:54.640]  [SPEAKER_05]: Also, once in the past, I tried to sign up in order to join the chat and something weird went wrong.
[01:15:54.640 --> 01:15:55.400]  [SPEAKER_05]: It got an error.
[01:15:55.560 --> 01:15:57.920]  [SPEAKER_05]: I couldn't explain why and it didn't work.
[01:15:58.980 --> 01:16:01.820]  [SPEAKER_09]: We're spending a lot of time talking about YouTube chat.
[01:16:03.100 --> 01:16:05.760]  [SPEAKER_09]: I'd like to talk about literally anything else.
[01:16:06.800 --> 01:16:07.420]  [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[01:16:07.680 --> 01:16:08.860]  [SPEAKER_05]: Literally, literally...
[01:16:08.860 --> 01:16:09.600]  [SPEAKER_09]: And not the hum.
[01:16:09.720 --> 01:16:10.540]  [SPEAKER_09]: Not the hum either.
[01:16:10.740 --> 01:16:12.560]  [SPEAKER_09]: Let's put that off the list.
[01:16:13.480 --> 01:16:13.860]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[01:16:14.500 --> 01:16:14.940]  [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[01:16:15.800 --> 01:16:19.940]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, um, do you...
[01:16:19.940 --> 01:16:21.280]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, it's not easy, is it?
[01:16:21.460 --> 01:16:21.640]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[01:16:23.100 --> 01:16:25.240]  [SPEAKER_05]: Um, anyway, yeah.
[01:16:25.980 --> 01:16:28.360]  [SPEAKER_05]: So, you want to talk about Doge?
[01:16:29.360 --> 01:16:30.240]  [SPEAKER_09]: Sure, why not?
[01:16:30.280 --> 01:16:32.080]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's a breath of fresh air compared to all this.
[01:16:33.000 --> 01:16:33.360]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[01:16:33.820 --> 01:16:35.060]  [SPEAKER_05]: They're not a department.
[01:16:35.680 --> 01:16:45.120]  [SPEAKER_05]: In some sense, they're, they're, um, government, but only in the sense that they're associated with the president and they don't promote efficiency.
[01:16:46.760 --> 01:16:50.200]  [SPEAKER_05]: So, the name is multiply a lie.
[01:16:50.580 --> 01:16:51.200]  [SPEAKER_09]: That's true.
[01:16:51.720 --> 01:16:54.800]  [SPEAKER_09]: That's, the name is the least of the problems, but definitely it's not true.
[01:16:56.180 --> 01:16:56.580]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah.
[01:16:57.140 --> 01:16:59.880]  [SPEAKER_12]: We have to figure out what we're going to do after this is all.
[01:16:59.960 --> 01:17:10.280]  [SPEAKER_12]: I mean, the thing I wanted to say on the air earlier is like, we were talking about it like, oh, this, we should really get some strongly worded statements and, and well-written letters.
[01:17:10.300 --> 01:17:11.400]  [SPEAKER_09]: Have Chuck Schumer write a letter.
[01:17:11.640 --> 01:17:12.100]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, exactly.
[01:17:12.160 --> 01:17:15.240]  [SPEAKER_12]: I keep going back to that feeling of powerlessness.
[01:17:15.500 --> 01:17:18.700]  [SPEAKER_12]: The truth is we're not, but the truth is we're also f*cked.
[01:17:19.700 --> 01:17:25.480]  [SPEAKER_12]: And I think that can't be said, it can't be said on the air in quite so few words.
[01:17:26.240 --> 01:17:31.160]  [SPEAKER_09]: It can be said on overtime and we can also say it to them as well because they are f*cked.
[01:17:31.360 --> 01:17:31.660]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah.
[01:17:31.660 --> 01:17:32.580]  [SPEAKER_12]: We are angry.
[01:17:32.780 --> 01:17:54.120]  [SPEAKER_12]: That's kind of what I meant by it's, it is both bad for people who might be abused by it under the powers that be, but also bad for those that might repurpose it and want to find other groups using these kinds of database, like, when you have it consolidated in this way.
[01:17:54.120 --> 01:17:56.960]  [SPEAKER_12]: So it can become, it's really, really bad.
[01:17:57.120 --> 01:18:02.620]  [SPEAKER_12]: So the real, the most polite way I could think of saying it is it's, it's really bad.
[01:18:02.800 --> 01:18:14.780]  [SPEAKER_12]: It's, this is all, like, the stuff I talked about with ad, like, Google itself being based on surveillance capitalism and using personal information, like, it was bad then.
[01:18:15.120 --> 01:18:17.040]  [SPEAKER_12]: Now it's, like, really bad.
[01:18:17.300 --> 01:18:34.480]  [SPEAKER_12]: And it's, it's only getting, I think, more uncertain for, the average consumer who's already got a lot of their information out there and who, in many cases, there's swaths of people that just don't, they've given up.
[01:18:34.680 --> 01:18:35.240]  [SPEAKER_12]: Like, they don't care.
[01:18:35.240 --> 01:18:46.900]  [SPEAKER_12]: And that's the real, even worse part of it because we should act as though this information's already been consolidated in this way because they're telling us it has been.
[01:18:47.140 --> 01:18:58.740]  [SPEAKER_12]: So I think that's, that's why we have to kind of already operate under those terms because if you're in the, in opposition, don't want to get into anybody's political beliefs.
[01:18:58.880 --> 01:19:23.520]  [SPEAKER_12]: I know that might not apply to everybody, but if you're in opposition, you're then potentially a target, not just someone whose face is being recognized by an ICE agent's app using a database like this that, you know, includes every American, including those that are here as part of the naturalization process or legally or seeking asylum or something like that.
[01:19:23.740 --> 01:19:27.920]  [SPEAKER_12]: It's like, if you're in opposition to the use of this data, that's how it's being used now.
[01:19:28.000 --> 01:19:31.760]  [SPEAKER_12]: And if you're in it, you could be a part, it could be used against you.
[01:19:31.860 --> 01:19:34.760]  [SPEAKER_12]: If you're not in it, oh my gosh, imagine a mistake.
[01:19:35.320 --> 01:19:37.040]  [SPEAKER_12]: You're supposed to be, but you're not.
[01:19:37.380 --> 01:19:44.340]  [SPEAKER_12]: And then your rights, your freedom, your liberties are taken away incorrectly.
[01:19:44.340 --> 01:19:46.360]  [SPEAKER_12]: What is the cost of that?
[01:19:46.840 --> 01:19:49.760]  [SPEAKER_12]: It needs to be known that organizing it this way is a liability.
[01:19:50.300 --> 01:20:00.980]  [SPEAKER_12]: And so, when I say it's bad or like we're, you know, in other, and say with other terms, it's just what we have to recognize about this.
[01:20:01.140 --> 01:20:14.220]  [SPEAKER_12]: It's not to raise panic or to be shocking, but it is truly, it's truly already occurring as we pointed out in covering the news story.
[01:20:14.340 --> 01:20:15.860]  [SPEAKER_12]: Anyway, I'll let you get back to it.
[01:20:16.560 --> 01:20:22.060]  [SPEAKER_05]: So, about opposition, it should be growing exponentially with everything they do.
[01:20:22.300 --> 01:20:24.020]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, and that is true.
[01:20:24.240 --> 01:20:25.100]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, absolutely.
[01:20:25.400 --> 01:20:38.460]  [SPEAKER_12]: I hope, I think that's why the coverage about these types of transgressions, politically motivated transgressions, they need to be reported on and even how it's framed.
[01:20:38.460 --> 01:20:47.020]  [SPEAKER_12]: they're framing it as voter to clamp down on voter fraud or whatever that is.
[01:20:47.160 --> 01:20:51.780]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, under the previous system, states had the discretion to do that.
[01:20:51.780 --> 01:21:06.340]  [SPEAKER_12]: So, to try to sidestep what authority states have is sort of the antithesis to the attitudes of like a libertarian or the folks concerned with the rights of states.
[01:21:06.620 --> 01:21:19.660]  [SPEAKER_12]: So, there's a real push and pull of how this politically different logics that are actually like really hypocritical to what you would expect from that political regime.
[01:21:19.880 --> 01:21:37.880]  [SPEAKER_12]: So, we're kind of in the face of all of that having to inform one another and be aware that like that's that's the level of questioning the next elections will be will be subjected to and so forth.
[01:21:38.080 --> 01:21:54.820]  [SPEAKER_12]: Like plan it out logically what's the extent of it act as though this is already out there in many other cases of like hacking and breaches we have to have these attitudes for disaster recovery this is a disaster somehow we're going to recover I
[01:21:59.140 --> 01:22:05.180]  [SPEAKER_05]: a lot of things are supposed to be about states rights but it's really only about Trump's rights anymore.
[01:22:07.380 --> 01:22:20.820]  [SPEAKER_05]: heard yeah yeah exactly yeah so so what about the declaration of independence what what sort of conditions were they claiming to have occurred when they wrote the declaration of independence.
[01:22:21.520 --> 01:22:23.820]  [SPEAKER_09]: Let's toss that one over to Alex who is the expert.
[01:22:26.750 --> 01:22:34.670]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well there were a lot of grievances with respect to the declaration of independence it was primarily the I have trouble hearing now What?
[01:22:35.390 --> 01:22:40.190]  [SPEAKER_13]: I'm having trouble hearing now Oh, for God's sake, we can't hear Alex on the phone?
[01:22:40.210 --> 01:22:40.710]  [SPEAKER_09]: Is that true?
[01:22:41.290 --> 01:22:42.790]  [SPEAKER_13]: All right, I'll just keep talking here.
[01:22:42.890 --> 01:22:43.730]  [SPEAKER_13]: Can you hear me now, caller?
[01:22:43.970 --> 01:22:46.770]  [SPEAKER_05]: I do hear you, but you were breaking up before.
[01:22:46.910 --> 01:22:51.290]  [SPEAKER_05]: Like, I heard bits of it and not continuous speech.
[01:22:51.370 --> 01:22:53.310]  [SPEAKER_05]: But now, it seems better for now.
[01:22:54.330 --> 01:22:56.170]  [SPEAKER_09]: Alex, speak in a steady stream.
[01:22:56.730 --> 01:22:59.010]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, okay, I'm speaking in a steady stream.
[01:22:59.130 --> 01:23:00.990]  [SPEAKER_13]: I'm just going to keep talking right now like this.
[01:23:01.070 --> 01:23:02.410]  [SPEAKER_13]: I'm not going to pause.
[01:23:02.510 --> 01:23:04.670]  [SPEAKER_13]: No pauses, no commas, no semicolons, nothing.
[01:23:04.850 --> 01:23:06.330]  [SPEAKER_13]: We're just going to keep this going.
[01:23:06.330 --> 01:23:08.830]  [SPEAKER_13]: So, there were a lot of grievances with respect to the American Revolution.
[01:23:09.110 --> 01:23:16.590]  [SPEAKER_13]: I think the one that we often hear about in school, right, is the fact that there was taxation without representation, right?
[01:23:16.590 --> 01:23:23.490]  [SPEAKER_13]: So, it was, you know, kind of a disenfranchisement of the colonies as well as lots of other things that they thought were tyrannous.
[01:23:23.750 --> 01:23:29.050]  [SPEAKER_13]: And so, they felt it necessary to dissolve the political bands which connected us with the United Kingdom.
[01:23:29.450 --> 01:23:32.790]  [SPEAKER_13]: I think the first declaration of that in a state...
[01:23:34.670 --> 01:23:46.510]  [SPEAKER_13]: in a state house, actually, might have been today, on July 2nd, I'm pretty sure, was some kind of oral proclamation, basically, of the fact that we were declaring independence.
[01:23:47.570 --> 01:23:48.230]  [SPEAKER_13]: So, yeah.
[01:23:49.230 --> 01:23:50.410]  [SPEAKER_13]: Bravo for bringing that up.
[01:23:52.330 --> 01:23:53.550]  [SPEAKER_05]: Anything else, caller?
[01:23:54.750 --> 01:24:01.410]  [SPEAKER_05]: I couldn't hear everything you said, Alex, but I trust that in the archives, it will be more audible.
[01:24:01.830 --> 01:24:02.690]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yes, it will be.
[01:24:03.270 --> 01:24:04.090]  [SPEAKER_13]: Let's hope so.
[01:24:04.230 --> 01:24:04.770]  [SPEAKER_13]: Let's hope so.
[01:24:04.870 --> 01:24:05.510]  [SPEAKER_13]: Sorry about that.
[01:24:06.630 --> 01:24:10.870]  [SPEAKER_05]: So, I don't know if anyone else was trying to call, because no one called until I did.
[01:24:11.090 --> 01:24:11.450]  [SPEAKER_08]: Mm-hmm.
[01:24:12.230 --> 01:24:16.050]  [SPEAKER_05]: But I don't know how long I should stay on, but I have another question for Alex.
[01:24:16.410 --> 01:24:17.250]  [SPEAKER_08]: One more question.
[01:24:18.990 --> 01:24:27.610]  [SPEAKER_05]: How do you know if you get a warrant for someone to enter your premises?
[01:24:27.610 --> 01:24:29.330]  [SPEAKER_05]: How do you know it's legitimate?
[01:24:30.670 --> 01:24:32.430]  [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe it's not really a warrant.
[01:24:32.610 --> 01:24:33.270]  [SPEAKER_05]: How do you tell?
[01:24:34.710 --> 01:24:36.350]  [SPEAKER_13]: That's a really good question.
[01:24:36.450 --> 01:24:51.010]  [SPEAKER_13]: So, your question, if I understand it correctly, is if somebody shows up to your home and presents a warrant that authorizes them to search and seize anything in your house, how do you know that that's a legitimate warrant?
[01:24:52.310 --> 01:24:53.330]  [SPEAKER_13]: Is that the question?
[01:24:54.610 --> 01:24:57.550]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I didn't hear everything you said, but I think that was the question.
[01:24:57.930 --> 01:24:58.530]  [SPEAKER_13]: All right.
[01:24:58.650 --> 01:24:58.930]  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay.
[01:24:59.310 --> 01:24:59.730]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[01:24:59.950 --> 01:25:01.810]  [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, it's really hard.
[01:25:01.930 --> 01:25:06.870]  [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, there's really no way to properly authenticate a document like that on the spot.
[01:25:07.110 --> 01:25:19.770]  [SPEAKER_13]: So, if you have questions about it, you know, I think you would want to call your lawyer first and foremost, get the badge numbers of the officers that are present and then call that agency to verify that those are, in fact, officers.
[01:25:20.090 --> 01:25:20.490]  [SPEAKER_13]: You can...
[01:25:20.490 --> 01:25:23.410]  [SPEAKER_13]: And usually, a lawyer will be able to do that for you as well.
[01:25:25.790 --> 01:25:26.230]  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
[01:25:26.290 --> 01:25:26.890]  [SPEAKER_09]: We're going to move on.
[01:25:27.110 --> 01:25:28.130]  [SPEAKER_09]: Thanks for your call.
[01:25:28.250 --> 01:25:28.370]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[01:25:28.390 --> 01:25:29.330]  [SPEAKER_05]: I hope someone else calls.
[01:25:29.470 --> 01:25:30.190]  [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know if they will.
[01:25:30.370 --> 01:25:31.370]  [SPEAKER_09]: I'm sure they will.
[01:25:31.530 --> 01:25:33.650]  [SPEAKER_09]: Hopefully, they hear Alex and others.
[01:25:34.490 --> 01:25:34.850]  [SPEAKER_09]: All right.
[01:25:36.050 --> 01:25:36.490]  [SPEAKER_09]: That's...
[01:25:36.490 --> 01:25:37.210]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[01:25:37.890 --> 01:25:38.710]  [SPEAKER_09]: That's challenging.
[01:25:38.950 --> 01:25:40.470]  [SPEAKER_09]: 802-321-4225.
[01:25:40.470 --> 01:25:45.130]  [SPEAKER_09]: Alex, on the subject of warrants, though, you know, there's a lot of talk about these ICE warrants.
[01:25:46.130 --> 01:25:47.470]  [SPEAKER_09]: And there's different kinds.
[01:25:47.710 --> 01:25:52.330]  [SPEAKER_09]: There's the kind that ICE prints up themselves, and there's the kind that comes from a judge.
[01:25:52.350 --> 01:25:53.150]  [SPEAKER_09]: How do you tell the difference?
[01:25:56.250 --> 01:25:57.890]  [SPEAKER_13]: Off the top of my head, I don't know.
[01:25:58.210 --> 01:26:09.610]  [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, I imagine that one of them would be signed by a judge, and the other would be signed by an ICE official or something like that, or just sworn to by some kind of ICE official.
[01:26:09.730 --> 01:26:15.410]  [SPEAKER_13]: So I would take a look first and foremost at the signature page of whatever the warrant is.
[01:26:17.870 --> 01:26:20.230]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, I guess you look for...
[01:26:20.230 --> 01:26:22.050]  [SPEAKER_09]: How does a judge sign their name, usually?
[01:26:22.210 --> 01:26:24.810]  [SPEAKER_09]: Do they say judge after their name?
[01:26:24.910 --> 01:26:26.050]  [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, maybe they'll notice.
[01:26:26.690 --> 01:26:27.430]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, they would, yeah.
[01:26:27.550 --> 01:26:32.410]  [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, be part of the signature block, would say judge or the honorable or something like that.
[01:26:32.550 --> 01:26:33.970]  [SPEAKER_13]: You would see that.
[01:26:34.390 --> 01:26:47.670]  [SPEAKER_13]: And then the heading of the document, too, should indicate whether it comes from a court, you know, in the federal district court for the western district of Alabama or something like that, or in a United States district court for the southern district of New York,
[01:26:47.830 --> 01:26:49.250]  [SPEAKER_13]: you know, for example, something like that.
[01:26:49.430 --> 01:26:56.670]  [SPEAKER_13]: You would see some kind of district court reference because the warrants would always issue from a federal court trial judge.
[01:26:57.170 --> 01:26:59.670]  [SPEAKER_13]: So you would want to take a look at something like that.
[01:27:00.890 --> 01:27:03.310]  [SPEAKER_09]: That's assuming they even agree to show it to you in the first place.
[01:27:03.890 --> 01:27:04.970]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yes, that's true.
[01:27:05.130 --> 01:27:06.550]  [SPEAKER_09]: They seem to think they're above the law.
[01:27:11.170 --> 01:27:13.830]  [SPEAKER_12]: 802-321-4225.
[01:27:14.350 --> 01:27:15.270]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yes, that's our phone number.
[01:27:15.450 --> 01:27:25.130]  [SPEAKER_12]: You could also call 833-755-2600 if you would like to speak to an after radio program stream.
[01:27:26.290 --> 01:27:40.970]  [SPEAKER_12]: You can also leave a question in our infamous YouTube chat that will be read to us by one of our colleagues here.
[01:27:41.430 --> 01:27:44.150]  [SPEAKER_12]: I believe there is a phone call right now.
[01:27:44.250 --> 01:27:45.570]  [SPEAKER_12]: I'm going to answer this call.
[01:27:48.510 --> 01:27:48.910]  [SPEAKER_09]: Hello.
[01:27:49.110 --> 01:27:49.730]  [SPEAKER_09]: Can you hear me?
[01:27:49.910 --> 01:27:50.250]  [SPEAKER_09]: Can you hear me?
[01:27:52.310 --> 01:27:53.110]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yes, caller.
[01:27:53.310 --> 01:27:55.170]  [SPEAKER_12]: Could you turn your microphone down?
[01:27:57.390 --> 01:27:58.150]  [SPEAKER_09]: I can do that.
[01:27:58.170 --> 01:27:58.710]  [SPEAKER_09]: I can do that.
[01:27:58.710 --> 01:28:00.550]  [SPEAKER_07]: But what I'm doing...
[01:28:00.550 --> 01:28:02.390]  [SPEAKER_07]: Basically, this is a manual.
[01:28:03.210 --> 01:28:07.370]  [SPEAKER_07]: I'm calling myself to see just how bad this really is.
[01:28:08.470 --> 01:28:09.970]  [SPEAKER_07]: I do hear the hum.
[01:28:12.230 --> 01:28:13.410]  [SPEAKER_07]: I don't hear anybody talking.
[01:28:13.550 --> 01:28:14.530]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay, well...
[01:28:14.530 --> 01:28:15.650]  [SPEAKER_12]: Can you hear me?
[01:28:15.710 --> 01:28:16.590]  [SPEAKER_07]: I hear you fine, Kyle.
[01:28:17.690 --> 01:28:19.150]  [SPEAKER_13]: What about me?
[01:28:19.350 --> 01:28:19.790]  [SPEAKER_13]: This is Alex.
[01:28:20.090 --> 01:28:20.810]  [SPEAKER_07]: Caller, is there...
[01:28:20.810 --> 01:28:21.630]  [SPEAKER_07]: You're there.
[01:28:22.250 --> 01:28:23.790]  [SPEAKER_07]: Okay, well, we can't all talk at once.
[01:28:23.890 --> 01:28:25.590]  [SPEAKER_07]: Otherwise, we won't be able to tell.
[01:28:27.310 --> 01:28:28.710]  [SPEAKER_07]: First, let me talk to the hum.
[01:28:28.850 --> 01:28:29.490]  [SPEAKER_07]: That's the loudest.
[01:28:29.670 --> 01:28:30.850]  [SPEAKER_07]: And then, Kyle, are you there?
[01:28:31.450 --> 01:28:32.730]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, I was just going to ask.
[01:28:32.750 --> 01:28:37.170]  [SPEAKER_12]: Is there a story or a comment you'd like to make about something we talked about?
[01:28:37.170 --> 01:28:38.170]  [SPEAKER_07]: No, I don't really care about any of that stuff.
[01:28:38.290 --> 01:28:40.350]  [SPEAKER_07]: But let me just point out.
[01:28:40.470 --> 01:28:41.650]  [SPEAKER_07]: I do hear a hum.
[01:28:41.950 --> 01:28:44.310]  [SPEAKER_07]: But when Kyle talks, the hum goes away.
[01:28:44.450 --> 01:28:45.590]  [SPEAKER_07]: So, Kyle, say something else.
[01:28:46.550 --> 01:28:53.170]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, is there, like, a particular article we read or something you noticed this week in the news about hacking?
[01:28:54.470 --> 01:28:55.970]  [SPEAKER_07]: I have no trouble hearing Kyle.
[01:28:56.110 --> 01:28:57.870]  [SPEAKER_07]: Now, Alex, could you please say something to me?
[01:28:58.510 --> 01:29:00.490]  [SPEAKER_13]: Sure, I'll do a little poetry for you.
[01:29:00.710 --> 01:29:01.810]  [SPEAKER_13]: Whose woods these are?
[01:29:01.950 --> 01:29:03.070]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, you're quite low, Alex.
[01:29:03.250 --> 01:29:03.990]  [SPEAKER_07]: You're very low.
[01:29:04.790 --> 01:29:05.130]  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay.
[01:29:07.370 --> 01:29:08.810]  [SPEAKER_07]: Could you maybe speak up a little bit?
[01:29:11.900 --> 01:29:13.360]  [SPEAKER_07]: I don't hear anything from Alex.
[01:29:13.700 --> 01:29:15.200]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, I think he muted himself.
[01:29:15.800 --> 01:29:16.920]  [SPEAKER_12]: Oh, shit, I did.
[01:29:17.100 --> 01:29:17.580]  [SPEAKER_12]: This is a problem.
[01:29:17.920 --> 01:29:20.060]  [SPEAKER_07]: I think Alex is a full problem here.
[01:29:21.080 --> 01:29:21.700]  [SPEAKER_12]: Am I?
[01:29:21.920 --> 01:29:22.480]  [SPEAKER_12]: Is that right?
[01:29:22.580 --> 01:29:22.980]  [SPEAKER_12]: A full problem.
[01:29:22.980 --> 01:29:23.720]  [SPEAKER_12]: Oh, that's...
[01:29:23.720 --> 01:29:24.240]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay.
[01:29:25.340 --> 01:29:27.180]  [SPEAKER_07]: I need just Alex to be speaking.
[01:29:27.180 --> 01:29:28.900]  [SPEAKER_07]: Otherwise, I can't really judge the situation.
[01:29:29.220 --> 01:29:32.080]  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay, I'm going to do some Robert Frost, whose woods these are.
[01:29:32.080 --> 01:29:32.860]  [SPEAKER_13]: I think I know.
[01:29:33.020 --> 01:29:34.260]  [SPEAKER_13]: His house is in the village, though.
[01:29:34.820 --> 01:29:36.280]  [SPEAKER_13]: You will not see me stopping you.
[01:29:36.280 --> 01:29:37.720]  [SPEAKER_07]: Okay, you're hard to understand, Alex.
[01:29:37.800 --> 01:29:38.960]  [SPEAKER_07]: Now I'm going to ask Rob to speak.
[01:29:42.600 --> 01:29:44.800]  [SPEAKER_07]: I hear something from Rob, so that's bad.
[01:29:44.840 --> 01:29:46.620]  [SPEAKER_11]: I feel unusual.
[01:29:47.020 --> 01:29:48.200]  [SPEAKER_11]: My thumbs have gone weird.
[01:29:48.240 --> 01:29:49.040]  [SPEAKER_07]: Okay, now I hear Rob.
[01:29:49.080 --> 01:29:51.020]  [SPEAKER_07]: I didn't hear Rob before, but now I hear Rob pretty clearly.
[01:29:51.120 --> 01:29:52.000]  [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, he's talking now.
[01:29:52.800 --> 01:29:53.440]  [SPEAKER_07]: He is.
[01:29:53.440 --> 01:29:54.840]  [SPEAKER_07]: He's in front of doing that.
[01:29:55.100 --> 01:29:56.280]  [SPEAKER_07]: And Gila, can you say something?
[01:29:56.780 --> 01:30:02.980]  [SPEAKER_10]: My little horse must think it queer to stop without a farmhouse near between the woods and downy flake.
[01:30:03.680 --> 01:30:05.980]  [SPEAKER_07]: So Rob, you sound pretty loud.
[01:30:06.400 --> 01:30:08.120]  [SPEAKER_07]: Everybody else sounds kind of low.
[01:30:08.560 --> 01:30:11.460]  [SPEAKER_07]: I would rank Gila number two and Alex number three.
[01:30:12.740 --> 01:30:15.960]  [SPEAKER_13]: Is it the darkest evening of the year by any chance?
[01:30:17.520 --> 01:30:19.600]  [SPEAKER_07]: Is it the darkest evening of the year?
[01:30:19.600 --> 01:30:20.260]  [SPEAKER_07]: Is that what you asked?
[01:30:20.780 --> 01:30:21.600]  [SPEAKER_13]: It's getting there.
[01:30:22.000 --> 01:30:22.520]  [SPEAKER_13]: I did.
[01:30:22.660 --> 01:30:23.500]  [SPEAKER_13]: I did ask that.
[01:30:24.420 --> 01:30:24.820]  [SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
[01:30:25.000 --> 01:30:25.680]  [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know.
[01:30:25.680 --> 01:30:26.260]  [SPEAKER_07]: I have no idea.
[01:30:26.360 --> 01:30:26.900]  [SPEAKER_07]: I don't think so.
[01:30:26.960 --> 01:30:27.920]  [SPEAKER_07]: I think we already missed that.
[01:30:28.560 --> 01:30:29.020]  [SPEAKER_11]: See, it's funny.
[01:30:29.140 --> 01:30:30.360]  [SPEAKER_11]: I hear Gila really well.
[01:30:31.420 --> 01:30:33.000]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, you're sitting next to her, Rob.
[01:30:36.040 --> 01:30:37.580]  [SPEAKER_13]: Can somebody give a bell a shake?
[01:30:37.580 --> 01:30:41.820]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, you know, I think if we got rid of the hum, that would solve the problem.
[01:30:42.320 --> 01:30:47.080]  [SPEAKER_10]: The thing that's interesting is that people on YouTube are chiming in and saying they're not hearing the hum.
[01:30:48.880 --> 01:30:50.660]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, and that's the thing to remember.
[01:30:50.920 --> 01:30:57.420]  [SPEAKER_07]: They don't hear the hum and it's not in the recording, but the person trying to make a point does hear the hum and it's very distracting.
[01:31:02.560 --> 01:31:03.000]  [SPEAKER_07]: Exactly.
[01:31:03.180 --> 01:31:04.420]  [SPEAKER_07]: The hum seems to agree with me.
[01:31:04.880 --> 01:31:08.440]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, now I'm making it worse.
[01:31:09.290 --> 01:31:12.080]  [SPEAKER_07]: And, Kyle, you're very loud, so I can hear you, no problem.
[01:31:14.060 --> 01:31:14.360]  [SPEAKER_12]: All right.
[01:31:16.460 --> 01:31:18.000]  [SPEAKER_12]: Is that all, caller?
[01:31:18.320 --> 01:31:19.300]  [SPEAKER_12]: Are you...
[01:31:19.300 --> 01:31:20.020]  [SPEAKER_07]: I think that...
[01:31:20.020 --> 01:31:22.020]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I think that pretty much sums up everything.
[01:31:22.740 --> 01:31:24.360]  [SPEAKER_07]: I don't need to...
[01:31:24.360 --> 01:31:27.880]  [SPEAKER_07]: I can't hear Emmanuel, so he's definitely a problem.
[01:31:29.340 --> 01:31:33.680]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay, we will work on turning his microphone back up.
[01:31:35.280 --> 01:31:38.940]  [SPEAKER_12]: I just want to tell our listeners though, they can also call...
[01:31:40.020 --> 01:31:41.820]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay, that was a little rude.
[01:31:42.700 --> 01:31:44.440]  [SPEAKER_12]: Sorry, my face hit the phone.
[01:31:45.400 --> 01:31:46.140]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay.
[01:31:46.580 --> 01:31:56.160]  [SPEAKER_12]: You, too, or your face, could call 802-321-4225.
[01:31:56.280 --> 01:32:02.600]  [SPEAKER_12]: You could also call 833-755-2600.
[01:32:03.500 --> 01:32:08.000]  [SPEAKER_12]: If you've never called a hum before, you might want to try.
[01:32:10.200 --> 01:32:14.820]  [SPEAKER_10]: And Alex and I can continue with the next few stanzas of the poem if no one else is calling it.
[01:32:14.940 --> 01:32:15.740]  [SPEAKER_10]: Oh, I just had an adventure.
[01:32:16.480 --> 01:32:17.140]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, you did.
[01:32:17.280 --> 01:32:18.340]  [SPEAKER_12]: You went on an adventure.
[01:32:18.660 --> 01:32:19.420]  [SPEAKER_12]: I'm proud of you.
[01:32:21.740 --> 01:32:22.600]  [SPEAKER_12]: Operators are chilling.
[01:32:23.400 --> 01:32:30.360]  [SPEAKER_10]: We do actually have a question from the chat that might provoke some interesting discussion if that would be a good thing.
[01:32:31.480 --> 01:32:33.840]  [SPEAKER_09]: As long as it doesn't come from anyone who is crowned.
[01:32:35.520 --> 01:32:41.100]  [SPEAKER_10]: The question we have is, does anyone have thoughts on Cloudflare's new war on AI bot scraping?
[01:32:45.130 --> 01:32:49.050]  [SPEAKER_12]: I think they're seeing an opportunity in the market.
[01:32:50.190 --> 01:32:50.790]  [SPEAKER_12]: That's...
[01:32:50.790 --> 01:32:52.310]  [SPEAKER_12]: What was the question?
[01:32:52.530 --> 01:32:53.650]  [SPEAKER_12]: An opinion about it?
[01:32:53.970 --> 01:32:54.510]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yes.
[01:32:55.170 --> 01:33:08.730]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, I think that it is a a way for them to enhance their services and yeah, we'll see how they do.
[01:33:08.990 --> 01:33:09.770]  [SPEAKER_12]: I think people...
[01:33:09.770 --> 01:33:10.870]  [SPEAKER_12]: It's desirable, right?
[01:33:11.110 --> 01:33:12.910]  [SPEAKER_12]: Because there's so much stuff out there.
[01:33:13.050 --> 01:33:14.010]  [SPEAKER_12]: We have a phone call.
[01:33:14.210 --> 01:33:15.090]  [SPEAKER_09]: We have a hum call.
[01:33:15.250 --> 01:33:15.630]  [SPEAKER_09]: Good evening.
[01:33:15.770 --> 01:33:17.190]  [SPEAKER_09]: You're on all for the cover time.
[01:33:17.270 --> 01:33:17.490]  [SPEAKER_09]: Go ahead.
[01:33:18.750 --> 01:33:23.150]  [SPEAKER_06]: Hello, this is Luwai Chu calling from Washington, D.C., our nation's capital.
[01:33:23.650 --> 01:33:28.390]  [SPEAKER_06]: I heard you last night on As It Happens from CBC.
[01:33:28.770 --> 01:33:31.330]  [SPEAKER_06]: What was it like interacting with them?
[01:33:31.390 --> 01:33:31.830]  [SPEAKER_06]: That was...
[01:33:31.830 --> 01:33:32.410]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[01:33:32.590 --> 01:33:33.230]  [SPEAKER_09]: That was pretty...
[01:33:33.230 --> 01:33:35.270]  [SPEAKER_09]: That was part of the other radio station, WUSB.
[01:33:35.430 --> 01:33:38.410]  [SPEAKER_09]: We had a Canada Day all day long, 24 hours.
[01:33:38.830 --> 01:33:40.230]  [SPEAKER_09]: And apparently it was my idea.
[01:33:41.050 --> 01:33:42.690]  [SPEAKER_09]: And As It Happens called me.
[01:33:42.790 --> 01:33:49.650]  [SPEAKER_09]: You know, I was going to let them know because I figured they might be interested in the fact that we were doing that.
[01:33:49.770 --> 01:33:53.030]  [SPEAKER_09]: For those who don't know, As It Happens it's kind of the equivalent of All Things Considered.
[01:33:53.150 --> 01:33:57.790]  [SPEAKER_09]: that we have here on NPR except it's broadcast on the CBC to all of Canada.
[01:33:58.010 --> 01:34:01.930]  [SPEAKER_09]: And you can hear it obviously as a caller is demonstrating here in the United States pretty easily.
[01:34:02.610 --> 01:34:03.890]  [SPEAKER_09]: But it was...
[01:34:03.890 --> 01:34:11.490]  [SPEAKER_09]: You know, it's like listening to their show which is amazingly pleasant and conversational and just kind of like you know, human.
[01:34:11.630 --> 01:34:13.130]  [SPEAKER_09]: It was like that talking to them.
[01:34:13.330 --> 01:34:14.770]  [SPEAKER_09]: And it wasn't just them.
[01:34:14.770 --> 01:34:17.270]  [SPEAKER_09]: I talked to CBC in St. John's, Newfoundland.
[01:34:17.390 --> 01:34:20.430]  [SPEAKER_09]: I talked to CBC in Montreal and CBC in Ottawa.
[01:34:20.790 --> 01:34:24.810]  [SPEAKER_09]: And they were all really, really nice and conversational and informed.
[01:34:26.890 --> 01:34:27.970]  [SPEAKER_06]: All right.
[01:34:28.670 --> 01:34:29.950]  [SPEAKER_06]: What else?
[01:34:36.510 --> 01:34:37.990]  [SPEAKER_09]: Is that all you had?
[01:34:39.870 --> 01:34:41.390]  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm not sure.
[01:34:41.590 --> 01:34:44.830]  [SPEAKER_06]: I had a bullet point list of things I had to bring up today.
[01:34:46.330 --> 01:34:47.210]  [SPEAKER_09]: Did you lose it?
[01:34:47.370 --> 01:34:47.750]  [SPEAKER_09]: Where is it?
[01:34:47.930 --> 01:34:49.210]  [SPEAKER_09]: Where is that list?
[01:34:51.670 --> 01:34:52.810]  [SPEAKER_06]: It's just right over here.
[01:34:53.730 --> 01:34:54.170]  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
[01:34:54.250 --> 01:34:54.830]  [SPEAKER_09]: We'll let you get it.
[01:34:56.190 --> 01:34:56.630]  [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
[01:34:58.030 --> 01:35:09.250]  [SPEAKER_06]: Also, today at a garage sale, I found a government-issued tape recorder for blind users.
[01:35:09.510 --> 01:35:11.510]  [SPEAKER_06]: It's got tactile buttons.
[01:35:11.890 --> 01:35:14.210]  [SPEAKER_06]: You know, you can feel what they are.
[01:35:14.370 --> 01:35:15.510]  [SPEAKER_06]: And it's all orange.
[01:35:16.030 --> 01:35:17.470]  [SPEAKER_06]: And it plugs into mains.
[01:35:17.730 --> 01:35:22.390]  [SPEAKER_06]: It's got to be for at least 50 years old, 40, 50 years old.
[01:35:23.210 --> 01:35:24.970]  [SPEAKER_06]: Does anybody know anything about it?
[01:35:25.130 --> 01:35:25.690]  [SPEAKER_06]: What is it worth?
[01:35:25.690 --> 01:35:27.230]  [SPEAKER_09]: I think Rob does.
[01:35:27.310 --> 01:35:29.910]  [SPEAKER_09]: And this is a good chance to see if you can hear Rob.
[01:35:30.010 --> 01:35:30.390]  [SPEAKER_09]: Go ahead, Rob.
[01:35:31.310 --> 01:35:31.750]  [SPEAKER_11]: Okay.
[01:35:31.950 --> 01:35:37.070]  [SPEAKER_11]: Well, this sounds a lot like something that is from a field I used to work in.
[01:35:37.230 --> 01:35:41.890]  [SPEAKER_11]: I used to work in the field of audiobooks for the visually and reading disabled.
[01:35:42.270 --> 01:35:47.710]  [SPEAKER_11]: And they nowadays come on electronic cartridges or direct downloads.
[01:35:48.030 --> 01:35:54.590]  [SPEAKER_11]: But back in the day, they came on cassette tapes and records and every audio format that we've had.
[01:35:54.590 --> 01:35:59.630]  [SPEAKER_11]: And this might be an interesting piece of equipment because it might run at a non-standard speed.
[01:36:00.070 --> 01:36:07.610]  [SPEAKER_11]: If you have the chance to test some tapes in it and see if you can get weird speeds out of them that you wouldn't get out of a standard consumer tape recorder.
[01:36:11.340 --> 01:36:18.560]  [SPEAKER_11]: Because very often they would go at very slow speeds so you could fit audiobooks which are very long onto fewer cassettes.
[01:36:18.780 --> 01:36:22.780]  [SPEAKER_11]: The quality would suffer but it would be good enough for a voice reading a book.
[01:36:26.680 --> 01:36:27.920]  [SPEAKER_06]: Is that all we have to add?
[01:36:29.320 --> 01:36:29.940]  [SPEAKER_08]: I'm sorry?
[01:36:32.140 --> 01:36:32.860]  [SPEAKER_06]: Is that it?
[01:36:33.000 --> 01:36:34.000]  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, oh well.
[01:36:36.480 --> 01:36:37.880]  [SPEAKER_06]: Pretty much I wanted to add.
[01:36:38.020 --> 01:36:41.460]  [SPEAKER_06]: Too bad I'm not getting any other calls.
[01:36:41.800 --> 01:36:42.440]  [SPEAKER_06]: Oh well.
[01:36:42.560 --> 01:36:43.520]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, I'm sure we'll get more.
[01:36:43.720 --> 01:36:45.360]  [SPEAKER_09]: I'm not going to write it off.
[01:36:46.440 --> 01:36:47.320]  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah.
[01:36:47.320 --> 01:36:51.380]  [SPEAKER_06]: I usually like to call in later so I can try and critique Well, you know what it was?
[01:36:51.560 --> 01:36:52.980]  [SPEAKER_09]: We don't have Rebel this week.
[01:36:53.100 --> 01:36:55.100]  [SPEAKER_09]: Rebel's traveling somewhere dangerous.
[01:36:56.540 --> 01:36:56.980]  Whoops.
[01:36:57.480 --> 01:36:58.540]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, that's what happens.
[01:36:58.640 --> 01:37:03.700]  [SPEAKER_09]: He takes up the first 25 minutes of the show so you know it seems like there's more calls than there are.
[01:37:05.600 --> 01:37:05.860]  [SPEAKER_12]: Right.
[01:37:06.840 --> 01:37:08.900]  [SPEAKER_12]: Do you often listen to As It Happens?
[01:37:09.120 --> 01:37:09.480]  [SPEAKER_09]: Sorry.
[01:37:10.240 --> 01:37:11.680]  [SPEAKER_09]: Kyle had a question for you.
[01:37:11.760 --> 01:37:11.880]  [SPEAKER_09]: Go ahead.
[01:37:12.060 --> 01:37:16.040]  [SPEAKER_12]: Are you an avid listener of As It Happens or did you just happen upon it?
[01:37:18.260 --> 01:37:20.100]  [SPEAKER_06]: I listen all the time.
[01:37:20.300 --> 01:37:20.800]  [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, yeah.
[01:37:21.280 --> 01:37:26.060]  [SPEAKER_06]: Now I remember the other thing I was going to get to.
[01:37:26.200 --> 01:37:26.340]  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[01:37:26.680 --> 01:37:34.520]  [SPEAKER_06]: I listen to my local NPR member's station all the time WAMU just as As It Happens.
[01:37:34.620 --> 01:37:37.100]  [SPEAKER_06]: There's a couple programs down there I find pretty interesting.
[01:37:37.520 --> 01:37:40.840]  [SPEAKER_06]: The NPR network as a whole pretty interesting.
[01:37:41.240 --> 01:37:46.040]  [SPEAKER_09]: Wait, so you're saying you actually have an NPR station that carries As It Happens?
[01:37:47.500 --> 01:37:47.980]  [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
[01:37:48.220 --> 01:37:48.540]  [SPEAKER_06]: Wow.
[01:37:49.800 --> 01:37:58.420]  [SPEAKER_06]: On the Wikipedia page of As It Happens, if I remember correctly, it says that they're actually carried on many NPR stations.
[01:37:58.840 --> 01:37:59.680]  [SPEAKER_09]: I know they say that.
[01:37:59.700 --> 01:38:01.840]  [SPEAKER_09]: I've just never found an NPR station that carried them.
[01:38:01.920 --> 01:38:03.360]  [SPEAKER_09]: But that's good to know that it's being carried somewhere.
[01:38:03.660 --> 01:38:04.000]  [SPEAKER_06]: Mine does.
[01:38:04.300 --> 01:38:04.780]  [SPEAKER_06]: WAMU.
[01:38:04.940 --> 01:38:11.720]  [SPEAKER_06]: The thing is why you might not have found it is because on mine it's broadcast from 11 to midnight.
[01:38:12.000 --> 01:38:12.640]  [SPEAKER_06]: That's pretty late.
[01:38:13.200 --> 01:38:21.000]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, although they do have the As It Happens midnight edition which is broadcast on CBC at midnight and it's an hour instead of 90 minutes.
[01:38:21.140 --> 01:38:27.900]  [SPEAKER_09]: Although I'm led to believe that As It Happens itself has been reduced to an hour for the summer at least.
[01:38:29.680 --> 01:38:30.760]  [SPEAKER_06]: Mine is an hour.
[01:38:31.200 --> 01:38:34.020]  [SPEAKER_06]: Like I said, it starts from 11 to 12 full programming.
[01:38:34.260 --> 01:38:35.880]  [SPEAKER_09]: But it used to be 90 minutes is my point.
[01:38:37.240 --> 01:38:37.460]  [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[01:38:37.840 --> 01:38:41.220]  [SPEAKER_09]: Actually, the NPR version was always an hour.
[01:38:41.580 --> 01:38:43.420]  [SPEAKER_09]: But in Canada, it's been 90 minutes.
[01:38:43.480 --> 01:38:47.520]  [SPEAKER_09]: But I think right now it's down to 60 minutes and I'm told that's just for the summer.
[01:38:52.560 --> 01:38:57.660]  [SPEAKER_12]: There's some really good programs on local NPR stations that do wrap-ups.
[01:38:57.780 --> 01:39:04.840]  [SPEAKER_12]: I think PRI, Public Radio International, and then also I don't know, there's some other show, I can't remember the name.
[01:39:05.040 --> 01:39:07.900]  [SPEAKER_12]: I think it was World Radio Hour.
[01:39:08.040 --> 01:39:09.460]  [SPEAKER_12]: Is that the one that rebroadcast?
[01:39:09.460 --> 01:39:11.160]  [SPEAKER_09]: Is it just called The World or something?
[01:39:11.880 --> 01:39:17.440]  [SPEAKER_12]: There's a couple shows like that, but it has snippets from different shortwave stations.
[01:39:17.860 --> 01:39:18.960]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, they're not shortwave anymore.
[01:39:19.120 --> 01:39:20.780]  [SPEAKER_09]: International broadcasting, yeah.
[01:39:20.880 --> 01:39:24.620]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, English radio service from different places, which I always enjoyed.
[01:39:24.880 --> 01:39:34.560]  [SPEAKER_12]: But yeah, when they repackage, sometimes you'll get, as it happens in one of the blocks of radio, and it appears as a syndicated program.
[01:39:34.720 --> 01:39:35.680]  [SPEAKER_12]: So that's great that you listen.
[01:39:35.760 --> 01:39:45.280]  [SPEAKER_12]: It's one of one of my favorite shows, and it just has a great discussion, kind of like our calls with callers in overtime here.
[01:39:45.460 --> 01:39:59.560]  [SPEAKER_12]: We get to chat a little bit, find out what they're all about, what they're thinking about in the world, and we can share what we're thinking about outside of the stories from the regular hour on the radio.
[01:39:59.760 --> 01:40:01.140]  [SPEAKER_12]: So thanks for joining us.
[01:40:01.140 --> 01:40:08.960]  [SPEAKER_09]: And something else for the caller that you might find interesting, you can listen to pretty much any CBC station up in Canada.
[01:40:08.960 --> 01:40:18.140]  [SPEAKER_09]: So if you wanted to say listen to a station in Iqaluit, you could simply go to cbc.ca and you track down that particular station, and you can listen to them live.
[01:40:18.140 --> 01:40:20.980]  [SPEAKER_09]: You can hear as it happens when it airs at 6.30pm.
[01:40:21.440 --> 01:40:28.140]  [SPEAKER_09]: You can also hear them speaking in Inuktitutut for local news, and you can do that for any station throughout the country.
[01:40:28.200 --> 01:40:28.960]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's really fascinating.
[01:40:30.620 --> 01:40:31.860]  [SPEAKER_06]: All right, thank you for that.
[01:40:32.040 --> 01:40:32.680]  [SPEAKER_09]: All right, no problem.
[01:40:32.860 --> 01:40:33.500]  [SPEAKER_12]: Thanks for calling.
[01:40:33.880 --> 01:40:34.000]  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[01:40:34.380 --> 01:40:34.680]  [SPEAKER_09]: Take care.
[01:40:34.860 --> 01:40:44.440]  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, well, yeah, the other thing I wanted to get to as for NPR, you know, as expressed on this show before, you know, it's pretty obvious they take ads.
[01:40:45.460 --> 01:40:47.800]  [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, they call them, what is it?
[01:40:48.020 --> 01:40:48.380]  [SPEAKER_09]: Underwriting.
[01:40:49.980 --> 01:40:55.920]  [SPEAKER_06]: Underwriting, yeah, where they have a little bit that says, you know, it's almost like an ad.
[01:40:56.160 --> 01:40:56.700]  I mean, it's...
[01:40:56.700 --> 01:41:07.320]  [SPEAKER_09]: In many cases, it is like and it isn't that, you know, if you use quantitative statements like, you know, best or better, that really fits the definition of advertising.
[01:41:07.600 --> 01:41:26.160]  [SPEAKER_09]: So, you know, I have mixed feelings about the way they do things because they're under attack in a very unfair manner because they have so much good stuff, but they also get a little ahead of themselves sometimes when it comes to, you know, getting the underwriting and making it stay underwriting and not turn into an advertisement.
[01:41:27.820 --> 01:41:31.660]  [SPEAKER_06]: And also, the difference is that they're a national network.
[01:41:31.860 --> 01:41:33.780]  [SPEAKER_06]: It's not the same as WBAI.
[01:41:34.180 --> 01:41:34.900]  [SPEAKER_06]: That is true.
[01:41:34.940 --> 01:41:37.700]  [SPEAKER_06]: One station, community supported.
[01:41:38.540 --> 01:41:48.880]  [SPEAKER_06]: You know, maybe not all, maybe in some parts of the country, people are less open-minded and willing to donate to keep this up.
[01:41:48.880 --> 01:41:55.160]  [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I'm pretty sure as a network, they would survive without donations just as underwriting.
[01:41:55.380 --> 01:41:57.340]  [SPEAKER_06]: But, you know, that's the whole finances.
[01:41:57.540 --> 01:42:03.060]  [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know a lot about this stuff, but I'm thinking, yeah, way too far.
[01:42:03.380 --> 01:42:04.540]  [SPEAKER_06]: This is not underwriting.
[01:42:04.720 --> 01:42:05.900]  [SPEAKER_06]: It's ads pretty much.
[01:42:07.940 --> 01:42:12.500]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, it's still better than the alternative, but yeah, I agree they should not go down that road.
[01:42:12.640 --> 01:42:19.100]  [SPEAKER_06]: They're the best out there besides the Pacifica Networks, WPFW, which I can also pick up.
[01:42:19.420 --> 01:42:20.140]  [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, that's right.
[01:42:20.180 --> 01:42:21.700]  [SPEAKER_09]: And they play jazz most of the time, right?
[01:42:23.000 --> 01:42:34.000]  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I wish it would be nice to freak if Off The Hook was on there, but there's some WBAI programs that are simulcast on WPFW, but I mean, yeah, I like to talk programming.
[01:42:34.280 --> 01:42:35.620]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, maybe you could just ask them.
[01:42:35.740 --> 01:42:36.280]  [SPEAKER_09]: Maybe they'll do it.
[01:42:37.680 --> 01:42:38.540]  [SPEAKER_06]: Maybe we'll see.
[01:42:39.080 --> 01:42:39.380]  [SPEAKER_06]: All right.
[01:42:39.540 --> 01:42:39.820]  [SPEAKER_09]: All right.
[01:42:40.060 --> 01:42:40.720]  [SPEAKER_09]: Thanks for your call.
[01:42:41.740 --> 01:42:42.300]  [SPEAKER_06]: All right.
[01:42:42.460 --> 01:42:47.100]  [SPEAKER_06]: And as for Canadian musicians, shout out to Limpopo stay popular.
[01:42:47.660 --> 01:42:47.760]  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
[01:42:48.640 --> 01:42:49.160]  [SPEAKER_09]: Great.
[01:42:50.440 --> 01:42:54.780]  [SPEAKER_09]: 802-321-4225 is our phone number and the time that we have left.
[01:42:55.200 --> 01:43:00.180]  [SPEAKER_12]: 833-755-2600 is another number.
[01:43:00.500 --> 01:43:03.520]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yes, and that will also reach us, not just another random number.
[01:43:03.660 --> 01:43:05.780]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's a number that comes directly to us.
[01:43:05.980 --> 01:43:07.160]  [SPEAKER_12]: Tell us about hacking.
[01:43:07.400 --> 01:43:08.600]  [SPEAKER_12]: Tell us what you know.
[01:43:08.920 --> 01:43:10.140]  [SPEAKER_12]: Tell us what you're wondering about.
[01:43:10.300 --> 01:43:16.300]  [SPEAKER_09]: When you're driving in the middle of Kansas and there's no other radio stations around, you find an NPR station, there's nothing better.
[01:43:16.900 --> 01:43:18.260]  [SPEAKER_09]: So just keep that in mind.
[01:43:18.380 --> 01:43:21.520]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, they can improve, but so can every broadcast outlet.
[01:43:21.660 --> 01:43:22.640]  [SPEAKER_09]: They can all improve.
[01:43:23.060 --> 01:43:25.240]  [SPEAKER_09]: And I hope we don't hang these guys up to dry.
[01:43:25.420 --> 01:43:25.800]  [SPEAKER_09]: Go ahead, Rob.
[01:43:26.940 --> 01:43:34.340]  [SPEAKER_11]: I do want to mention while we're waiting for a call, this Friday is the 2600 meeting all over the world, 2600.com/meetings.
[01:43:34.660 --> 01:43:38.680]  [SPEAKER_11]: Our local one in New York City is happening at the Hue on 53rd and Lexington.
[01:43:39.180 --> 01:43:42.400]  [SPEAKER_11]: The food court will be open, but the restaurants won't be, just the bar outside.
[01:43:42.640 --> 01:43:44.160]  [SPEAKER_11]: So if you want some food, bring it with you.
[01:43:44.240 --> 01:43:46.400]  [SPEAKER_09]: Wait a minute, the food court will be open, but there will be no food?
[01:43:47.120 --> 01:43:47.440]  [SPEAKER_11]: Correct.
[01:43:48.140 --> 01:43:49.000]  [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, that makes sense.
[01:43:49.160 --> 01:43:49.600]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, sure.
[01:43:49.860 --> 01:43:50.000]  [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.
[01:43:51.260 --> 01:43:53.000]  [SPEAKER_11]: You can bring in whatever you like.
[01:43:54.000 --> 01:43:55.740]  [SPEAKER_09]: You're giving permission or they're giving permission?
[01:43:56.680 --> 01:43:57.800]  [SPEAKER_11]: It's a public food court.
[01:43:57.980 --> 01:43:59.440]  [SPEAKER_11]: Their permission is implicit.
[01:43:59.900 --> 01:44:00.000]  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
[01:44:00.180 --> 01:44:00.480]  [SPEAKER_09]: All right.
[01:44:00.620 --> 01:44:01.080]  [SPEAKER_09]: Good to know.
[01:44:01.700 --> 01:44:02.520]  [SPEAKER_09]: And Alex, you had something.
[01:44:04.740 --> 01:44:15.820]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, I was going to say if we didn't get a call, I have a phone number for what looks like a scam PayPal legal center here that I got a few hours ago if we wanted to call them.
[01:44:16.140 --> 01:44:17.320]  [SPEAKER_09]: Did Rebel tell you to do this?
[01:44:17.420 --> 01:44:18.640]  [SPEAKER_09]: Because this is what he does every week.
[01:44:19.060 --> 01:44:20.000]  [SPEAKER_13]: No, no.
[01:44:20.000 --> 01:44:24.140]  [SPEAKER_13]: I'm just curious as to whether this phone number will still work a couple hours later.
[01:44:24.340 --> 01:44:26.260]  [SPEAKER_09]: You're going to just call a number and hope it works.
[01:44:26.380 --> 01:44:31.240]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay, we can try that, but I think we have a call though, We have a call.
[01:44:31.700 --> 01:44:33.120]  [SPEAKER_09]: We have a call.
[01:44:33.280 --> 01:44:34.100]  [SPEAKER_09]: That matters more.
[01:44:34.300 --> 01:44:35.060]  [SPEAKER_12]: That takes priority.
[01:44:35.240 --> 01:44:35.900]  [SPEAKER_09]: You have to go to the call.
[01:44:36.260 --> 01:44:37.900]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, there's just no way around that.
[01:44:38.380 --> 01:44:39.320]  [SPEAKER_09]: Unless you're the call.
[01:44:39.480 --> 01:44:40.660]  [SPEAKER_09]: I hope you're not the call, Alex.
[01:44:41.280 --> 01:44:41.820]  [SPEAKER_09]: I am not.
[01:44:41.960 --> 01:44:43.020]  [SPEAKER_09]: God help you if you're the call.
[01:44:43.580 --> 01:44:44.180]  [SPEAKER_09]: Good evening.
[01:44:44.400 --> 01:44:45.320]  [SPEAKER_09]: You're on overtime.
[01:44:45.440 --> 01:44:45.660]  [SPEAKER_09]: Go ahead.
[01:44:46.920 --> 01:44:47.920]  [SPEAKER_16]: Hi, good evening.
[01:44:48.540 --> 01:44:51.940]  [SPEAKER_16]: I was calling because of the discussion about Cloudflare.
[01:44:52.140 --> 01:44:52.600]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.
[01:44:54.540 --> 01:45:02.960]  [SPEAKER_16]: It's interesting that it coincides with one of the most massive or the most massive DDoS against their services.
[01:45:04.320 --> 01:45:08.660]  [SPEAKER_16]: It was something like 7.3 terabytes a second.
[01:45:08.900 --> 01:45:09.220]  [SPEAKER_16]: Wow.
[01:45:09.700 --> 01:45:19.120]  [SPEAKER_16]: It dwarfed the one that happened earlier in the year and Chris Krebs back in was it 2017?
[01:45:20.040 --> 01:45:28.580]  [SPEAKER_16]: So yeah, I don't know if the AI filtering has anything to do with that or not.
[01:45:29.840 --> 01:45:30.800]  [SPEAKER_08]: It could.
[01:45:30.920 --> 01:45:32.400]  [SPEAKER_08]: Does anybody have any info on this?
[01:45:33.460 --> 01:45:34.780]  [SPEAKER_08]: Anyone involved?
[01:45:35.040 --> 01:45:35.260]  [SPEAKER_08]: No?
[01:45:35.680 --> 01:45:37.160]  [SPEAKER_13]: I don't.
[01:45:37.260 --> 01:45:39.200]  [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, I'm not sure.
[01:45:39.620 --> 01:45:53.580]  [SPEAKER_13]: I guess the theory there would be they got hit so hard and perhaps their systems which are designed to withstand service attack didn't withstand it as well as it could have perhaps?
[01:45:53.900 --> 01:45:54.520]  [SPEAKER_13]: Is that the theory?
[01:45:55.160 --> 01:46:01.780]  [SPEAKER_13]: And therefore they're now trying to distract with this AI bot-related news?
[01:46:05.260 --> 01:46:06.660]  [SPEAKER_13]: Is that the theory, caller?
[01:46:09.120 --> 01:46:10.300]  [SPEAKER_16]: Partially, at least.
[01:46:10.580 --> 01:46:29.980]  [SPEAKER_16]: I mean, that seems from looking at some of the larger network hits over the last couple weeks and some of the stuff internationally that's been going on like Russia shut off access to a large portion or all of YouTube and some other stuff.
[01:46:31.500 --> 01:46:33.440]  [SPEAKER_16]: Tor network is having problems.
[01:46:34.120 --> 01:46:35.840]  [SPEAKER_13]: And Iran is...
[01:46:35.840 --> 01:46:37.380]  [SPEAKER_16]: Tor network having problems in Russia.
[01:46:38.040 --> 01:46:46.400]  [SPEAKER_16]: So there's like a lot of stuff going on and I guess Cloudflare is going through it.
[01:46:48.220 --> 01:46:48.760]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[01:46:49.040 --> 01:46:50.600]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, quite possibly.
[01:46:51.060 --> 01:46:54.500]  [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, they're involved in a lot of it, right?
[01:46:54.640 --> 01:46:56.920]  [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, just as an intermediary in many ways.
[01:46:57.960 --> 01:46:58.500]  [SPEAKER_13]: So...
[01:46:58.500 --> 01:47:11.700]  [SPEAKER_13]: But it definitely does allow them to generate, I think, a lot of favor with the intellectual property constituencies out there and creators.
[01:47:12.560 --> 01:47:23.860]  [SPEAKER_13]: And I think that a lot of hosts and registrars that are selling domain names are going to have requests to point them over at Cloudflare.
[01:47:24.060 --> 01:47:32.080]  [SPEAKER_13]: And then Cloudflare is going to be able to strike so many more deals with these registrars and hosts for their hosting because they've just created this great demand for it.
[01:47:32.180 --> 01:47:39.260]  [SPEAKER_13]: So I think it's really just sound business on their point, on their part.
[01:47:39.360 --> 01:47:41.300]  [SPEAKER_13]: I'm not sure if they're trying to deflect from anything.
[01:47:45.000 --> 01:47:52.020]  [SPEAKER_16]: I'm going to have to listen after this because it was really hard to hear you on the phone.
[01:47:52.160 --> 01:47:52.640]  [SPEAKER_16]: I'm sorry.
[01:47:53.520 --> 01:47:54.220]  [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, terrible.
[01:47:54.560 --> 01:47:56.380]  [SPEAKER_13]: What's going on here with the...
[01:47:56.380 --> 01:48:06.280]  [SPEAKER_16]: You sound great on the stream, but so that I don't get the echo feedback from the live stream and the phone call.
[01:48:06.500 --> 01:48:07.800]  [SPEAKER_16]: I'm like not in the room.
[01:48:08.280 --> 01:48:10.200]  [SPEAKER_16]: So I'm like, I...
[01:48:11.260 --> 01:48:11.900]  [SPEAKER_16]: Thank you.
[01:48:12.380 --> 01:48:15.200]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, you can always turn your speakers down on your computer.
[01:48:16.780 --> 01:48:18.660]  [SPEAKER_16]: It doesn't help the phone issue.
[01:48:19.080 --> 01:48:21.380]  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay, but at least it gets rid of that issue.
[01:48:21.940 --> 01:48:26.660]  [SPEAKER_09]: But, you know, we have to do some testing, folks, and that means doing testing when we're not on the air.
[01:48:27.100 --> 01:48:29.040]  [SPEAKER_09]: So you all have to be around to do the testing.
[01:48:29.220 --> 01:48:32.360]  [SPEAKER_09]: And when we reach that state, then maybe we can figure out what's going on here.
[01:48:32.900 --> 01:48:34.080]  [SPEAKER_11]: We'll do our best.
[01:48:34.300 --> 01:48:34.420]  [SPEAKER_09]: We can.
[01:48:35.280 --> 01:48:35.700]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yep.
[01:48:36.020 --> 01:48:36.820]  [SPEAKER_08]: All of us.
[01:48:37.700 --> 01:48:38.340]  [SPEAKER_16]: There's...
[01:48:38.780 --> 01:48:44.300]  [SPEAKER_16]: some of it is the interoperation of some of the networks is having issues.
[01:48:45.200 --> 01:48:45.820]  [SPEAKER_16]: The...
[01:48:45.820 --> 01:48:46.100]  [SPEAKER_16]: Like...
[01:48:46.100 --> 01:48:49.260]  [SPEAKER_16]: It's like the actual network and the backbone.
[01:48:49.540 --> 01:48:51.280]  [SPEAKER_16]: All of it is just strained.
[01:48:52.920 --> 01:48:57.940]  [SPEAKER_16]: So, like the radio show kept having cutouts.
[01:48:58.280 --> 01:49:00.380]  [SPEAKER_09]: That was WBAI.
[01:49:00.520 --> 01:49:01.160]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[01:49:01.400 --> 01:49:01.860]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's...
[01:49:01.860 --> 01:49:02.840]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's a weird parallel.
[01:49:03.080 --> 01:49:03.980]  [SPEAKER_09]: You know, we have the hum here.
[01:49:04.080 --> 01:49:04.800]  [SPEAKER_09]: We can't seem to fix.
[01:49:04.940 --> 01:49:05.300]  [SPEAKER_09]: We have...
[01:49:05.300 --> 01:49:06.140]  [SPEAKER_09]: They have their stream.
[01:49:06.300 --> 01:49:07.440]  [SPEAKER_09]: They can't seem to fix.
[01:49:07.820 --> 01:49:09.740]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's like we're all stuck in mud.
[01:49:12.780 --> 01:49:14.660]  [SPEAKER_16]: So many different network components.
[01:49:14.960 --> 01:49:15.160]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[01:49:15.480 --> 01:49:15.600]  [SPEAKER_16]: Yep.
[01:49:17.240 --> 01:49:18.480]  [SPEAKER_09]: Anyway, thanks for your call.
[01:49:18.760 --> 01:49:20.280]  [SPEAKER_09]: We're going to try to get one more in.
[01:49:20.680 --> 01:49:22.860]  [SPEAKER_09]: And please keep listening despite the challenges.
[01:49:22.860 --> 01:49:23.050]  [SPEAKER_09]: Have a good night.
[01:49:23.300 --> 01:49:23.620]  [SPEAKER_09]: Thank you.
[01:49:23.760 --> 01:49:23.980]  [SPEAKER_09]: Good night.
[01:49:25.000 --> 01:49:26.520]  [SPEAKER_09]: 802-321-4225.
[01:49:30.560 --> 01:49:32.740]  [SPEAKER_12]: 833-755-2600.
[01:49:33.300 --> 01:49:35.680]  [SPEAKER_09]: You have to say that number every time I say the other number, don't you?
[01:49:36.400 --> 01:49:37.200]  [SPEAKER_12]: It's a lot of number.
[01:49:37.380 --> 01:49:39.200]  [SPEAKER_12]: 802-321-4225.
[01:49:40.400 --> 01:49:41.720]  [SPEAKER_09]: 866-755-2600.
[01:49:41.880 --> 01:49:42.860]  [SPEAKER_09]: You didn't think I'd know it, did you?
[01:49:43.050 --> 01:49:44.040]  [SPEAKER_09]: Except I said 866.
[01:49:44.220 --> 01:49:44.920]  [SPEAKER_09]: I meant to say 833.
[01:49:46.200 --> 01:49:47.920]  [SPEAKER_12]: 833-755-2600.
[01:49:48.300 --> 01:49:49.020]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, that's it.
[01:49:49.740 --> 01:49:51.620]  [SPEAKER_12]: 802-321-4225.
[01:49:52.180 --> 01:49:52.520]  [SPEAKER_09]: 10-4.
[01:49:53.920 --> 01:49:55.420]  [SPEAKER_12]: 212-279-3400.
[01:49:56.680 --> 01:49:59.180]  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay, Alex, if you call that number now, what do you get?
[01:49:59.260 --> 01:50:02.500]  [SPEAKER_09]: That's our, that's WBAI's old phone number, but you just gave out someone else's phone number.
[01:50:02.620 --> 01:50:09.400]  [SPEAKER_09]: So I think you should call from your phone line and see who is going to be dealing with a lot of calls now thanks to you.
[01:50:09.460 --> 01:50:11.340]  [SPEAKER_10]: Just hold the phone to the computer.
[01:50:12.040 --> 01:50:15.280]  [SPEAKER_10]: Emmanuel, I did have a question for you from the chat.
[01:50:15.540 --> 01:50:22.140]  [SPEAKER_10]: Will yesterday's off-the-wall or equivalent be posted to the website?
[01:50:22.540 --> 01:50:28.200]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, it's not, you're talking about the Newfoundland special that I did in that time slot.
[01:50:28.300 --> 01:50:29.460]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's not off-the-wall though.
[01:50:29.640 --> 01:50:33.100]  [SPEAKER_09]: It was part of the Canada Day celebration on WUSB.
[01:50:34.220 --> 01:50:36.260]  [SPEAKER_09]: That might be made available.
[01:50:36.360 --> 01:50:40.900]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's not up to me, but if it is, we'll let you know, where it is.
[01:50:41.280 --> 01:50:41.780]  [SPEAKER_09]: Thank you.
[01:50:41.960 --> 01:50:46.400]  [SPEAKER_09]: But I hope it is, because there are so many good programs on throughout the course of the day.
[01:50:46.540 --> 01:50:49.620]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's 24 hours, 24 hours of Canadian content.
[01:50:50.140 --> 01:50:53.680]  [SPEAKER_09]: And I'll tell you something, it got so much attention in Canada.
[01:50:54.340 --> 01:51:00.520]  [SPEAKER_09]: I did four different interviews on CBC stations in Canada and not a peep for U.S.
[01:51:00.660 --> 01:51:00.840]  [SPEAKER_09]: media.
[01:51:01.240 --> 01:51:02.900]  [SPEAKER_09]: And it's not like they weren't made aware of it.
[01:51:02.960 --> 01:51:03.280]  [SPEAKER_09]: They were.
[01:51:03.700 --> 01:51:07.520]  [SPEAKER_09]: But the way media works here, it's not the same as it does up there.
[01:51:07.640 --> 01:51:08.540]  [SPEAKER_09]: Up there, they pay attention.
[01:51:08.680 --> 01:51:09.080]  [SPEAKER_09]: They listen.
[01:51:09.080 --> 01:51:10.340]  [SPEAKER_09]: They're interested in the story.
[01:51:10.940 --> 01:51:12.400]  [SPEAKER_09]: Down here, they can't be bothered.
[01:51:12.640 --> 01:51:13.640]  [SPEAKER_09]: And that's really sad.
[01:51:16.020 --> 01:51:16.660]  [SPEAKER_09]: Really sad.
[01:51:16.740 --> 01:51:17.280]  [SPEAKER_10]: Did we get a call?
[01:51:17.500 --> 01:51:18.200]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yes, we did.
[01:51:18.340 --> 01:51:18.600]  [SPEAKER_09]: We did.
[01:51:18.800 --> 01:51:21.120]  [SPEAKER_09]: I was finishing my sentence and now I'm done.
[01:51:21.160 --> 01:51:22.020]  [SPEAKER_10]: No, I'm sorry.
[01:51:22.140 --> 01:51:23.700]  [SPEAKER_10]: I just had a...
[01:51:23.700 --> 01:51:24.180]  [SPEAKER_10]: Yes, sorry.
[01:51:24.420 --> 01:51:24.620]  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
[01:51:24.680 --> 01:51:24.980]  [SPEAKER_09]: My apologies.
[01:51:25.160 --> 01:51:25.860]  [SPEAKER_09]: Let's move on.
[01:51:26.100 --> 01:51:26.880]  [SPEAKER_09]: And good evening.
[01:51:27.420 --> 01:51:28.940]  [SPEAKER_09]: You're on off the cover time.
[01:51:29.000 --> 01:51:29.180]  [SPEAKER_09]: Go ahead.
[01:51:30.320 --> 01:51:31.050]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.
[01:51:31.260 --> 01:51:33.940]  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, there really is like a humming sound.
[01:51:34.100 --> 01:51:37.640]  [SPEAKER_03]: So I could see what the previous callers are talking about.
[01:51:37.640 --> 01:51:39.680]  [SPEAKER_03]: There's a weird sound.
[01:51:40.020 --> 01:51:41.100]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, everyone knows there's a hum.
[01:51:41.380 --> 01:51:42.760]  [SPEAKER_09]: But you only know if you call.
[01:51:42.960 --> 01:51:45.160]  [SPEAKER_09]: You don't hear the hum if you don't call.
[01:51:46.050 --> 01:51:46.360]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[01:51:46.600 --> 01:51:51.120]  [SPEAKER_09]: So if you want to experience the hum and it's here for a limited time only, you have to call us.
[01:51:51.260 --> 01:51:52.900]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, it's like it's our gift to you.
[01:51:53.580 --> 01:52:00.580]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I guess you could look at I mean, it sounds perfect on YouTube, but once you call in, it's really weird.
[01:52:00.840 --> 01:52:02.700]  [SPEAKER_09]: The goal is to be perfect on YouTube.
[01:52:02.940 --> 01:52:03.550]  [SPEAKER_09]: That is the goal.
[01:52:04.780 --> 01:52:08.200]  [SPEAKER_03]: But I just wanted to ask a quick question and I'm going to hang up and listen to the response.
[01:52:08.380 --> 01:52:11.020]  [SPEAKER_03]: But I just wanted to ask Alex is the legal guy, correct?
[01:52:11.680 --> 01:52:12.600]  [SPEAKER_09]: We think so.
[01:52:13.260 --> 01:52:14.380]  [SPEAKER_12]: We think he's legal.
[01:52:14.420 --> 01:52:15.920]  [SPEAKER_09]: His papers seem to be in order.
[01:52:16.640 --> 01:52:18.550]  [SPEAKER_09]: The judges all seem to know him.
[01:52:19.720 --> 01:52:23.160]  [SPEAKER_09]: So he's definitely an entity in the world of law.
[01:52:24.600 --> 01:52:29.120]  [SPEAKER_03]: No, because I was just wondering what he thinks about the Diddy verdict today.
[01:52:29.300 --> 01:52:31.900]  [SPEAKER_03]: Does he have any thoughts on the verdict that happened today?
[01:52:32.080 --> 01:52:33.480]  [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, man, you couldn't shut him up before.
[01:52:36.140 --> 01:52:39.380]  [SPEAKER_13]: I'm really embarrassed to say I didn't even know that a verdict came down.
[01:52:39.960 --> 01:52:46.320]  [SPEAKER_13]: I had my nose to the grind all day today and literally working up until the show came on.
[01:52:46.400 --> 01:52:47.640]  [SPEAKER_13]: So I don't even know what the verdict is.
[01:52:47.720 --> 01:52:49.960]  [SPEAKER_09]: You're not going to get out of it that easy, Alex.
[01:52:50.680 --> 01:52:51.620]  [SPEAKER_09]: Let's play along.
[01:52:51.900 --> 01:52:52.820]  [SPEAKER_09]: He knows nothing.
[01:52:52.940 --> 01:52:54.800]  [SPEAKER_09]: Caller, do you want to tell him what happened?
[01:52:55.540 --> 01:52:56.520]  [SPEAKER_03]: Look at it on YouTube.
[01:52:58.960 --> 01:53:00.140]  [SPEAKER_09]: We're staying away from YouTube.
[01:53:01.080 --> 01:53:01.960]  [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, he's gone.
[01:53:02.200 --> 01:53:02.920]  [SPEAKER_09]: Just like that.
[01:53:02.920 --> 01:53:03.220]  [SPEAKER_13]: All right.
[01:53:03.460 --> 01:53:06.840]  [SPEAKER_13]: Sorry, I might ignorant about current affairs apparently today.
[01:53:07.320 --> 01:53:09.900]  [SPEAKER_12]: 802-321-4225.
[01:53:11.680 --> 01:53:14.980]  [SPEAKER_12]: That's 833-755-2600.
[01:53:15.660 --> 01:53:17.640]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yes, that is our phone number.
[01:53:18.580 --> 01:53:20.500]  [SPEAKER_09]: Did someone yeah, Gila, go ahead.
[01:53:21.160 --> 01:53:27.980]  [SPEAKER_10]: Okay, we've had some confusion about the phone number this evening, so I just want to Because we keep giving out different phone numbers?
[01:53:28.460 --> 01:53:29.640]  [SPEAKER_10]: No, not even that.
[01:53:30.280 --> 01:53:36.420]  [SPEAKER_10]: I want to remind people again, why it is that we don't leave the phone number up at all times.
[01:53:36.440 --> 01:53:37.640]  [SPEAKER_10]: Here is the reason.
[01:53:37.860 --> 01:53:40.050]  [SPEAKER_10]: It is for the benefit of our callers.
[01:53:40.140 --> 01:53:42.580]  [SPEAKER_10]: We currently have one phone line.
[01:53:42.580 --> 01:53:49.100]  [SPEAKER_10]: And if someone's on the phone, you, if you call, are going to get stuck in voicemail hell.
[01:53:49.380 --> 01:53:53.740]  [SPEAKER_10]: We give out the phone number when the phone line is open.
[01:53:54.140 --> 01:54:05.780]  [SPEAKER_10]: However, if you need to see it written down, you can check the show's Twitter account, you can check the show's Mastodon account, where the phone number is posted.
[01:54:06.550 --> 01:54:16.100]  [SPEAKER_10]: Again, we don't leave it up at all times, because if you keep trying to call in and you can't get through to us, you're not going to be listening to what's actually happening or participating in the chat.
[01:54:16.480 --> 01:54:24.040]  [SPEAKER_10]: So, the reason we don't have the phone number up at all times is for your own benefit, please stop asking, thank you.
[01:54:24.160 --> 01:54:25.200]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, what the hell is wrong with you?
[01:54:25.280 --> 01:54:25.800]  [SPEAKER_09]: Stop asking.
[01:54:26.440 --> 01:54:33.800]  [SPEAKER_09]: The thing is, when we have speeches or scolding that we have to do, we're not taking phone calls then.
[01:54:33.840 --> 01:54:36.680]  [SPEAKER_09]: So, if you call us while we're doing that, you're going to go to voicemail.
[01:54:36.900 --> 01:54:38.340]  [SPEAKER_09]: And some people can't get out.
[01:54:38.500 --> 01:54:40.400]  [SPEAKER_09]: So, do you want that to happen?
[01:54:41.020 --> 01:54:42.100]  [SPEAKER_12]: We do have a call.
[01:54:42.420 --> 01:54:42.920]  [SPEAKER_09]: All right.
[01:54:44.240 --> 01:54:45.080]  [SPEAKER_09]: And good evening.
[01:54:45.280 --> 01:54:46.340]  [SPEAKER_09]: You're on overtime.
[01:54:46.340 --> 01:54:46.720]  [SPEAKER_09]: Go ahead.
[01:54:48.000 --> 01:54:49.020]  [SPEAKER_09]: I guess that's me.
[01:54:49.640 --> 01:54:50.740]  [SPEAKER_09]: It certainly would be.
[01:54:50.820 --> 01:54:51.620]  [SPEAKER_09]: And boy, are you loud.
[01:54:52.400 --> 01:54:53.180]  [SPEAKER_04]: All right.
[01:54:53.340 --> 01:54:56.580]  [SPEAKER_04]: Well, you have a loud hum, but you know that already.
[01:54:56.580 --> 01:54:57.720]  [SPEAKER_09]: You have a loud voice.
[01:54:57.720 --> 01:54:58.480]  [SPEAKER_09]: How does that feel?
[01:55:00.400 --> 01:55:04.420]  [SPEAKER_04]: Well, your voice comes out pretty loud and through.
[01:55:04.620 --> 01:55:05.380]  [SPEAKER_09]: Thank you very much.
[01:55:05.380 --> 01:55:06.720]  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yes.
[01:55:07.900 --> 01:55:08.820]  [SPEAKER_09]: What's on your mind?
[01:55:09.840 --> 01:55:16.540]  [SPEAKER_04]: I wanted to dovetail with what you said about the so-called what do they call them already?
[01:55:16.880 --> 01:55:18.160]  [SPEAKER_04]: Alzheimer's devouring me.
[01:55:18.800 --> 01:55:22.740]  [SPEAKER_04]: But, you know, the basic ads that public radio carries.
[01:55:24.980 --> 01:55:25.720]  [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.
[01:55:26.100 --> 01:55:41.520]  [SPEAKER_04]: I must say that I had this spot in last perilous time, but I get really annoyed and I systematically change the station when they come out with their favorite words, support, or, and I don't hear the rest.
[01:55:41.720 --> 01:55:43.160]  [SPEAKER_04]: I find them incredibly annoying.
[01:55:43.380 --> 01:55:44.040]  [SPEAKER_04]: And you know why?
[01:55:44.660 --> 01:55:50.740]  [SPEAKER_04]: Because then they go on and on this is WNYC which is my local as they call it.
[01:55:51.400 --> 01:55:56.840]  [SPEAKER_04]: They go on and on you know they interrupt the program and they do the fundraiser.
[01:55:57.940 --> 01:56:01.800]  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean BII at least with credit only does the fundraiser.
[01:56:02.040 --> 01:56:03.640]  [SPEAKER_04]: Although I have my issues with that.
[01:56:04.440 --> 01:56:06.000]  [SPEAKER_04]: But that's a different story.
[01:56:06.860 --> 01:56:28.480]  [SPEAKER_04]: Why are they doing fundraisers and then also taking corporate money which is not just corporate money you know they're the least pleasant corporate entities that are basically doing a laundromat or their image for great prices because if they had to go to commercial stations the ads would cost them a lot more.
[01:56:29.900 --> 01:56:32.280]  [SPEAKER_04]: I just wanted to put those two cents.
[01:56:33.240 --> 01:56:33.680]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.
[01:56:33.860 --> 01:56:34.400]  [SPEAKER_09]: Good points.
[01:56:35.520 --> 01:56:36.160]  [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.
[01:56:36.380 --> 01:56:36.980]  [SPEAKER_09]: Thanks for your call.
[01:56:38.340 --> 01:56:44.240]  [SPEAKER_09]: We are going to cut it off here because we've been at this an hour now and we want to have Alex demonstrate what he was going to do.
[01:56:44.880 --> 01:57:12.660]  [SPEAKER_09]: But you know in answer to that last caller NPR has from what I know three sources of funding and that's listener donations which is what the fundraisers are for underwriting from various companies and corporations and then government grants which is what's under threat right now they're all pretty significant sources of funding so it's you know they could cut back on certain things I suppose but
[01:57:12.660 --> 01:57:27.700]  [SPEAKER_09]: we don't make that request of other entities that waste a whole lot more money, and our money too, because advertising budgets are a huge cost for all kinds of things that we buy, and it affects the price that we pay.
[01:57:28.050 --> 01:57:36.400]  [SPEAKER_09]: So do we ever ask ourselves, well, would I pay less for this carton of Jell-O if I didn't have to spend all this money advertising something that people already know exists?
[01:57:37.220 --> 01:57:41.640]  [SPEAKER_09]: You know, it's like the space program.
[01:57:41.960 --> 01:57:46.280]  [SPEAKER_09]: You know, we always are saying, well, they should cut back, but we never say that about the military.
[01:57:46.720 --> 01:57:48.420]  [SPEAKER_09]: And they take so much more.
[01:57:48.980 --> 01:57:51.740]  [SPEAKER_09]: So just some thoughts to consider.
[01:57:52.520 --> 01:57:54.940]  [SPEAKER_09]: Now, Alex, you were going to try something, were you not?
[01:57:56.020 --> 01:58:00.020]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, in fact, I was, I think it might be best if you guys can dial out.
[01:58:00.180 --> 01:58:03.940]  [SPEAKER_09]: Now you see, yeah, you're putting us in the hotspot here.
[01:58:05.580 --> 01:58:06.440]  [SPEAKER_13]: I can do it.
[01:58:06.540 --> 01:58:10.520]  [SPEAKER_13]: But my speaker phone on my phone is not great, but we could try it.
[01:58:10.680 --> 01:58:12.020]  [SPEAKER_09]: Can't be any worse than our hum.
[01:58:12.440 --> 01:58:15.220]  [SPEAKER_09]: And plus, Kyle's not in the room, so I have no control over the phone.
[01:58:15.830 --> 01:58:19.120]  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay, let me give this a shot.
[01:58:19.380 --> 01:58:19.860]  [SPEAKER_13]: Hang on.
[01:58:20.050 --> 01:58:21.120]  [SPEAKER_13]: What are we calling again?
[01:58:21.800 --> 01:58:27.300]  [SPEAKER_13]: It's a, it's a, I don't know if it's still up, but it's a fake PayPal legal center.
[01:58:27.550 --> 01:58:28.540]  [SPEAKER_13]: How do you know it's fake?
[01:58:29.600 --> 01:58:33.800]  [SPEAKER_13]: Because this is an obvious spam, kind of phishing email, actually.
[01:58:34.580 --> 01:58:36.920]  [SPEAKER_09]: So do you expect to get a human or?
[01:58:37.480 --> 01:58:38.400]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, let's see.
[01:58:38.540 --> 01:58:38.940]  [SPEAKER_09]: We're calling.
[01:58:49.320 --> 01:58:50.100]  [SPEAKER_08]: Sounds fake.
[01:58:57.340 --> 01:58:58.340]  [SPEAKER_13]: It must be busy.
[01:59:00.220 --> 01:59:01.160]  [SPEAKER_09]: No, that's a ring.
[01:59:01.460 --> 01:59:04.100]  [SPEAKER_09]: A busy signal goes, do, do, do.
[01:59:04.260 --> 01:59:05.600]  [SPEAKER_13]: No, I mean, that there.
[01:59:07.480 --> 01:59:08.600]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's going to go somewhere.
[01:59:11.540 --> 01:59:13.400]  [SPEAKER_09]: It might have transferred, but it's going to go somewhere.
[01:59:13.540 --> 01:59:14.200]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's going to time out.
[01:59:14.200 --> 01:59:15.960]  [SPEAKER_17]: It's currently unavailable.
[01:59:17.500 --> 01:59:19.300]  [SPEAKER_17]: Please leave a message after the tone.
[01:59:19.300 --> 01:59:20.220]  [SPEAKER_09]: Maybe I should try to call that.
[01:59:20.420 --> 01:59:20.960]  [SPEAKER_09]: Hit start, hit start.
[01:59:21.460 --> 01:59:24.020]  [SPEAKER_17]: Please hang up or press the pound key for more options.
[01:59:27.250 --> 01:59:30.210]  [SPEAKER_17]: To accept and set message options, press one.
[01:59:30.730 --> 01:59:32.550]  [SPEAKER_17]: To replay, press two.
[01:59:33.110 --> 01:59:34.910]  [SPEAKER_17]: To erase, recording deleted.
[01:59:35.750 --> 01:59:36.270]  [SPEAKER_17]: Goodbye.
[01:59:37.370 --> 01:59:39.950]  [SPEAKER_17]: Recording, to accept and set message options.
[01:59:40.170 --> 01:59:41.990]  [SPEAKER_17]: To accept and set message options.
[01:59:42.390 --> 01:59:44.070]  [SPEAKER_09]: Alex is hacking on the air.
[01:59:44.370 --> 01:59:44.530]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[01:59:45.270 --> 01:59:47.610]  [SPEAKER_09]: Did she say goodbye and you got her back somehow?
[01:59:47.950 --> 01:59:48.750]  [SPEAKER_13]: I did, yeah.
[01:59:48.810 --> 01:59:49.890]  [SPEAKER_13]: I hit star seven there.
[01:59:50.090 --> 01:59:53.050]  [SPEAKER_13]: I was like, remember the Audix systems from back in the day?
[01:59:53.050 --> 01:59:55.630]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, if we can figure out what kind of system this is, then we'll own them.
[01:59:55.990 --> 01:59:56.310]  [SPEAKER_09]: Totally own them.
[01:59:56.330 --> 01:59:56.890]  [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, totally.
[01:59:57.150 --> 01:59:57.730]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, yeah.
[01:59:58.190 --> 01:59:59.470]  [SPEAKER_13]: Let's try again.
[01:59:59.730 --> 02:00:00.590]  [SPEAKER_13]: Let's call them back.
[02:00:00.710 --> 02:00:01.530]  [SPEAKER_13]: Let's see if...
[02:00:01.530 --> 02:00:03.210]  [SPEAKER_13]: Maybe somebody just didn't answer.
[02:00:07.410 --> 02:00:08.730]  [SPEAKER_09]: What area code is this?
[02:00:10.170 --> 02:00:10.970]  [SPEAKER_13]: 818 LA.
[02:00:11.270 --> 02:00:11.890]  [SPEAKER_13]: That's LA, yeah.
[02:00:12.430 --> 02:00:12.650]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[02:00:17.840 --> 02:00:18.940]  [SPEAKER_10]: Valley, it's not LA.
[02:00:19.540 --> 02:00:21.000]  [SPEAKER_09]: I think a beagle answered.
[02:00:21.560 --> 02:00:23.560]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, there's the beagle again.
[02:00:25.720 --> 02:00:27.660]  [SPEAKER_13]: She gets worked up about call centers.
[02:00:27.860 --> 02:00:28.760]  [SPEAKER_13]: She hates these things.
[02:00:29.900 --> 02:00:32.200]  [SPEAKER_13]: This would be a remote action.
[02:00:32.200 --> 02:00:34.340]  [SPEAKER_17]: The person you are trying to reach is currently unavailable.
[02:00:35.200 --> 02:00:35.720]  [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, well.
[02:00:35.820 --> 02:00:37.340]  [SPEAKER_09]: Get to the point where it asks for a password.
[02:00:38.560 --> 02:00:42.320]  [SPEAKER_17]: When you have finished, please hang up or press the pound key for more options.
[02:00:42.900 --> 02:00:46.400]  [SPEAKER_17]: To accept and set message options, press 1.
[02:00:46.560 --> 02:00:48.620]  [SPEAKER_17]: To accept and set message options.
[02:00:48.880 --> 02:00:50.320]  [SPEAKER_17]: To accept and set message options.
[02:00:50.340 --> 02:00:52.020]  [SPEAKER_09]: You need to not send it and then hit pound.
[02:00:52.500 --> 02:00:54.520]  [SPEAKER_17]: To send now, press the pound key.
[02:00:55.300 --> 02:00:57.420]  [SPEAKER_17]: To mark as high importance, press 1.
[02:00:57.920 --> 02:01:01.120]  [SPEAKER_17]: To return to the previous menu, press the star key.
[02:01:01.900 --> 02:01:05.100]  [SPEAKER_17]: To accept and set message options, press 1.
[02:01:05.580 --> 02:01:07.280]  [SPEAKER_17]: To replay, press 2.
[02:01:07.280 --> 02:01:08.600]  [SPEAKER_09]: Your dog's telling you the same thing.
[02:01:08.760 --> 02:01:10.200]  [SPEAKER_09]: You've got to go back and hit pound.
[02:01:12.320 --> 02:01:15.600]  [SPEAKER_17]: To accept and set message options.
[02:01:15.780 --> 02:01:16.980]  [SPEAKER_09]: You've got to get rid of that message.
[02:01:17.180 --> 02:01:19.920]  [SPEAKER_09]: If you get rid of that message and just hit pound, it'll prompt you for a password.
[02:01:21.120 --> 02:01:21.840]  [SPEAKER_17]: Recording deleted.
[02:01:22.240 --> 02:01:22.420]  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
[02:01:22.940 --> 02:01:24.080]  [SPEAKER_09]: Now hit pound.
[02:01:26.460 --> 02:01:28.800]  [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, she hung up on me at that point.
[02:01:28.980 --> 02:01:29.720]  [SPEAKER_09]: You're not fast enough.
[02:01:29.840 --> 02:01:32.940]  [SPEAKER_09]: Look, call it again and hit pound when she starts talking.
[02:01:34.520 --> 02:01:34.800]  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay.
[02:01:35.220 --> 02:01:35.780]  [SPEAKER_09]: Let's do it.
[02:01:35.860 --> 02:01:36.860]  [SPEAKER_09]: I'm going to tell these people everything.
[02:01:38.280 --> 02:01:39.740]  [SPEAKER_13]: Uh, what's going on here?
[02:01:40.100 --> 02:01:40.460]  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay.
[02:01:40.860 --> 02:01:41.320]  [SPEAKER_13]: Here we go.
[02:01:42.740 --> 02:01:43.220]  [SPEAKER_13]: All right.
[02:01:43.460 --> 02:01:45.340]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, maybe somebody will answer this time.
[02:01:48.200 --> 02:01:48.820]  [SPEAKER_13]: Let's see.
[02:01:51.930 --> 02:01:53.850]  [SPEAKER_09]: You've got to get a cease and desist from spammers.
[02:01:54.310 --> 02:01:54.950]  [SPEAKER_09]: I know.
[02:02:06.160 --> 02:02:09.220]  [SPEAKER_13]: Uh, I have another number here as well.
[02:02:09.320 --> 02:02:09.640]  [SPEAKER_13]: Hold on.
[02:02:09.820 --> 02:02:10.300]  [SPEAKER_13]: Same, same.
[02:02:10.300 --> 02:02:10.360]  [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, wait.
[02:02:10.420 --> 02:02:11.700]  [SPEAKER_13]: Hit the pound when I answer.
[02:02:12.280 --> 02:02:12.560]  [SPEAKER_13]: All right.
[02:02:12.580 --> 02:02:12.880]  [SPEAKER_13]: Hang on.
[02:02:12.960 --> 02:02:13.180]  [SPEAKER_13]: Hang on.
[02:02:13.260 --> 02:02:14.200]  [SPEAKER_13]: Let's try one more.
[02:02:14.260 --> 02:02:16.420]  [SPEAKER_09]: Why didn't you wait one more ring and hit pound?
[02:02:16.420 --> 02:02:20.460]  [SPEAKER_13]: I got excited because I found another number and then I, I didn't realize.
[02:02:20.480 --> 02:02:22.480]  [SPEAKER_09]: If you want to hack something, you have to do it yourself.
[02:02:23.600 --> 02:02:25.220]  [SPEAKER_17]: You couldn't complete the call.
[02:02:25.660 --> 02:02:26.140]  [SPEAKER_13]: Oh.
[02:02:26.220 --> 02:02:27.540]  [SPEAKER_17]: Please contact your admin.
[02:02:28.580 --> 02:02:29.300]  [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, shit.
[02:02:29.440 --> 02:02:30.180]  [SPEAKER_13]: So that one's done.
[02:02:30.520 --> 02:02:31.600]  [SPEAKER_13]: That, that number's killed.
[02:02:31.880 --> 02:02:32.100]  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay.
[02:02:32.320 --> 02:02:34.680]  [SPEAKER_13]: Can you call back the first one and hit pound like I asked?
[02:02:34.680 --> 02:02:36.420]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yes, I can do that.
[02:02:39.200 --> 02:02:40.880]  [SPEAKER_09]: Now we got to sit through all these rings again.
[02:02:41.540 --> 02:02:42.640]  [SPEAKER_13]: Unless somebody answers.
[02:02:42.820 --> 02:02:46.920]  [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, there's, there's a, there's a, there's a possibility here.
[02:03:10.940 --> 02:03:13.780]  [SPEAKER_17]: The person you are trying to reach is currently unavailable.
[02:03:14.020 --> 02:03:14.180]  [SPEAKER_08]: Hit pound.
[02:03:16.920 --> 02:03:18.500]  [SPEAKER_17]: To accept and send messages.
[02:03:18.520 --> 02:03:19.480]  [SPEAKER_13]: Just write to the message.
[02:03:19.760 --> 02:03:20.640]  [SPEAKER_09]: Ah, okay.
[02:03:20.840 --> 02:03:22.380]  [SPEAKER_09]: And you've hit star already, right?
[02:03:23.040 --> 02:03:23.260]  [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah.
[02:03:23.600 --> 02:03:24.140]  [SPEAKER_17]: Race and re-record.
[02:03:24.440 --> 02:03:24.520]  [SPEAKER_17]: Star.
[02:03:24.620 --> 02:03:25.360]  [SPEAKER_17]: Recording deleted.
[02:03:25.580 --> 02:03:26.040]  [SPEAKER_17]: Star deletes.
[02:03:26.120 --> 02:03:26.560]  [SPEAKER_17]: Hit zero.
[02:03:27.400 --> 02:03:27.880]  [SPEAKER_09]: Quickly.
[02:03:27.880 --> 02:03:27.980]  [SPEAKER_09]: Quickly.
[02:03:29.280 --> 02:03:29.600]  [SPEAKER_13]: Damn.
[02:03:30.680 --> 02:03:33.520]  [SPEAKER_13]: It hung up on me, but I, I got her to stay on for a while before.
[02:03:33.660 --> 02:03:34.840]  [SPEAKER_13]: It was, uh, it was bizarre.
[02:03:34.980 --> 02:03:35.400]  [SPEAKER_13]: Gila, go ahead.
[02:03:36.720 --> 02:03:40.460]  [SPEAKER_10]: Uh, someone in the chat said, feel like I'm watching Kitboga.
[02:03:40.780 --> 02:03:44.000]  [SPEAKER_10]: And I said to Rob, what is Kitboga?
[02:03:44.820 --> 02:03:47.740]  [SPEAKER_10]: And he didn't know, but he did Google it for me, which thank you, Derek.
[02:03:48.060 --> 02:03:48.260]  [SPEAKER_10]: And...
[02:03:48.260 --> 02:03:49.540]  [SPEAKER_10]: I duck-duck-goated, excuse me.
[02:03:49.580 --> 02:03:49.840]  [SPEAKER_10]: I'm sorry.
[02:03:49.960 --> 02:03:50.560]  [SPEAKER_10]: He duck-duck-goated.
[02:03:50.960 --> 02:03:51.560]  [SPEAKER_10]: My apologies.
[02:03:51.760 --> 02:03:53.720]  [SPEAKER_10]: But there's not a website called Let Me Duck-Duck-Go That For You.
[02:03:53.760 --> 02:03:54.160]  [SPEAKER_10]: No, is there?
[02:03:54.320 --> 02:03:54.900]  [SPEAKER_11]: There is, actually.
[02:03:55.460 --> 02:03:56.040]  [SPEAKER_10]: Interestingly enough.
[02:03:56.060 --> 02:03:56.760]  [SPEAKER_08]: Get to the point.
[02:04:00.580 --> 02:04:12.560]  [SPEAKER_10]: Anyway, it turns out there is a streamer known as Kitboga, whose whole deal is calling scammers in using different voices.
[02:04:12.620 --> 02:04:13.860]  [SPEAKER_10]: He's a scam-baiter.
[02:04:16.220 --> 02:04:20.220]  [SPEAKER_10]: Um, this stuff actually looks pretty awesome, so apparently he's on Twitch and YouTube.
[02:04:20.400 --> 02:04:21.160]  [SPEAKER_09]: Alex, you heard that.
[02:04:21.240 --> 02:04:21.820]  [SPEAKER_09]: You've got to stop.
[02:04:22.120 --> 02:04:23.100]  [SPEAKER_09]: Someone else is doing this.
[02:04:23.100 --> 02:04:24.260]  [SPEAKER_09]: Someone else is doing this.
[02:04:24.340 --> 02:04:24.720]  [SPEAKER_09]: You'll get sued.
[02:04:25.300 --> 02:04:26.260]  [SPEAKER_13]: I guess so.
[02:04:26.340 --> 02:04:27.180]  [SPEAKER_13]: I guess so, yeah.
[02:04:27.380 --> 02:04:29.280]  [SPEAKER_13]: I'm just, uh, the same thing.
[02:04:29.440 --> 02:04:31.280]  [SPEAKER_13]: I have another number here I'm going to try.
[02:04:31.460 --> 02:04:32.440]  [SPEAKER_13]: How do you have all these numbers?
[02:04:33.100 --> 02:04:40.760]  [SPEAKER_13]: Because I, I know what the messages are that they're sending, and I get a lot of them in one particular address.
[02:04:41.920 --> 02:04:43.280]  [SPEAKER_17]: We couldn't complete the call.
[02:04:44.000 --> 02:04:45.620]  [SPEAKER_17]: Please contact your admin.
[02:04:46.020 --> 02:04:46.300]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yep.
[02:04:46.440 --> 02:04:47.380]  [SPEAKER_13]: So this one's dead, too.
[02:04:47.520 --> 02:04:49.300]  [SPEAKER_13]: So these things go up and down so quickly.
[02:04:49.620 --> 02:04:50.040]  [SPEAKER_09]: Who's your admin?
[02:04:50.220 --> 02:04:51.140]  [SPEAKER_09]: They're apparently involved.
[02:04:51.820 --> 02:04:52.340]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[02:04:52.660 --> 02:04:53.520]  [SPEAKER_13]: My admin.
[02:04:53.520 --> 02:04:56.860]  [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, the names here are just unbelievable, too.
[02:04:57.140 --> 02:05:09.300]  [SPEAKER_13]: Like, this email is basically saying, you know, dear value customer, this email confirms that your PayPal account was used to pay Coinbase for the Bitcoin cryptocurrency purchase.
[02:05:09.640 --> 02:05:11.840]  [SPEAKER_13]: You may see this transaction in your account.
[02:05:12.040 --> 02:05:13.440]  [SPEAKER_13]: Take note of the details.
[02:05:13.660 --> 02:05:15.260]  [SPEAKER_13]: Here's the invoice number, blah, blah, blah.
[02:05:15.640 --> 02:05:19.460]  [SPEAKER_13]: And this is an email from Lorenza Gooch.
[02:05:20.460 --> 02:05:22.560]  [SPEAKER_13]: G-O-L-T-H.
[02:05:23.460 --> 02:05:24.040]  [SPEAKER_13]: Lorenza Gooch.
[02:05:24.040 --> 02:05:25.580]  [SPEAKER_13]: I think I saw that spam earlier.
[02:05:25.580 --> 02:05:30.580]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, it's a mistake for you to do that, Alex, to use your PayPal for crypto.
[02:05:31.220 --> 02:05:32.000]  [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, yeah.
[02:05:32.000 --> 02:05:33.700]  [SPEAKER_09]: Because there's so many ways it can go wrong.
[02:05:33.700 --> 02:05:35.520]  [SPEAKER_09]: So I would take that advice seriously.
[02:05:36.580 --> 02:05:36.840]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[02:05:37.080 --> 02:05:43.540]  [SPEAKER_13]: So then it says, you know, you can reach the billing team here, you know, at this 818 number to safeguard your PayPal account.
[02:05:43.600 --> 02:05:44.660]  [SPEAKER_13]: You must act right away.
[02:05:44.840 --> 02:05:49.420]  [SPEAKER_13]: We truly apologize for any inconvenience and value your cooperation.
[02:05:50.300 --> 02:05:52.460]  [SPEAKER_13]: Warm regards, PayPal legal system.
[02:05:52.460 --> 02:05:53.420]  [SPEAKER_13]: And when did you get that?
[02:05:54.540 --> 02:05:56.700]  [SPEAKER_13]: That was 1247 p.m.
[02:05:56.900 --> 02:05:57.100]  [SPEAKER_13]: today.
[02:05:57.340 --> 02:06:00.340]  [SPEAKER_09]: And you waited until now to take care of this very important situation.
[02:06:00.860 --> 02:06:08.080]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, I didn't want to call it ahead of time and then have them blacklist or blocklist my number there.
[02:06:08.080 --> 02:06:12.480]  [SPEAKER_13]: And I figured we'd just do it live.
[02:06:12.700 --> 02:06:14.580]  [SPEAKER_13]: That's what radio is for, right?
[02:06:15.280 --> 02:06:16.160]  [SPEAKER_10]: That is what radio is for.
[02:06:16.360 --> 02:06:22.800]  [SPEAKER_10]: But I did have someone in the chat had a suggestion, which is that, you know, they're probably working nine to five.
[02:06:22.900 --> 02:06:29.480]  [SPEAKER_10]: So we should probably have opened overtime with this phone call because that's five o'clock Pacific time.
[02:06:29.720 --> 02:06:32.620]  [SPEAKER_09]: But why would scammers work only nine to five?
[02:06:34.140 --> 02:06:35.060]  I don't know.
[02:06:35.580 --> 02:06:37.700]  [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, that's the one legit thing they do.
[02:06:38.860 --> 02:06:39.880]  [SPEAKER_11]: What a way to make a living.
[02:06:40.140 --> 02:06:42.580]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, you call people in the middle of the night, then you get their attention.
[02:06:43.220 --> 02:06:43.900]  [SPEAKER_13]: It's a theory.
[02:06:44.100 --> 02:06:45.340]  [SPEAKER_13]: We should give it a shot next time.
[02:06:47.680 --> 02:06:48.000]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[02:06:48.120 --> 02:06:48.560]  [SPEAKER_13]: Why not?
[02:06:48.780 --> 02:06:49.380]  [SPEAKER_13]: What the hell?
[02:06:50.400 --> 02:06:51.000]  [SPEAKER_09]: All right, folks.
[02:06:51.100 --> 02:06:51.820]  [SPEAKER_09]: I think we're going to do it.
[02:06:52.140 --> 02:06:54.340]  [SPEAKER_09]: We're going to say goodnight is what we're going to do.
[02:06:54.340 --> 02:06:58.960]  [SPEAKER_09]: So oth@2600.com is our email address.
[02:06:59.300 --> 02:07:01.860]  [SPEAKER_09]: Any closing thoughts from anybody else out there?
[02:07:02.460 --> 02:07:07.000]  [SPEAKER_13]: Sorry for the anti-climax here with all the phone calls, but we'll try again.
[02:07:07.220 --> 02:07:07.980]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, it's just like Rebel.
[02:07:08.180 --> 02:07:09.340]  [SPEAKER_09]: We expect it not to work.
[02:07:11.180 --> 02:07:13.140]  [SPEAKER_12]: So how about reality, right?
[02:07:13.440 --> 02:07:13.740]  [SPEAKER_09]: Where?
[02:07:13.860 --> 02:07:14.780]  [SPEAKER_09]: Where's their reality?
[02:07:15.060 --> 02:07:15.560]  [SPEAKER_12]: Crazy, huh?
[02:07:15.920 --> 02:07:16.980]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's July 4th coming up.
[02:07:17.080 --> 02:07:17.820]  [SPEAKER_09]: That's reality, right?
[02:07:17.980 --> 02:07:18.580]  [SPEAKER_11]: Oh, yeah, yeah.
[02:07:18.700 --> 02:07:19.360]  [SPEAKER_11]: America Day.
[02:07:19.520 --> 02:07:19.720]  [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.
[02:07:20.720 --> 02:07:30.480]  [SPEAKER_11]: We can all have a nice think about what the observance of Independence Day actually means to us and how much irony there is in celebrating that right now.
[02:07:31.740 --> 02:07:40.300]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, just know that we're going to be independent in our thinking and we're going to be patriotic in our victory.
[02:07:40.700 --> 02:07:42.000]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, it's best I can come up with.
[02:07:42.860 --> 02:07:44.060]  [SPEAKER_12]: And hack something.
[02:07:44.480 --> 02:07:44.860]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yes.
[02:07:45.040 --> 02:07:45.940]  [SPEAKER_09]: Hack it for America.
[02:07:46.620 --> 02:07:46.900]  [SPEAKER_10]: Yes.
[02:07:48.680 --> 02:07:49.480]  [SPEAKER_09]: Anything else?
[02:07:49.480 --> 02:07:49.920]  [SPEAKER_09]: Have we done?
[02:07:50.120 --> 02:07:50.500]  [SPEAKER_09]: Have we finished?
[02:07:51.480 --> 02:07:56.620]  [SPEAKER_09]: Thanks to everybody who called and we will speak to you next week.
[02:07:58.600 --> 02:07:59.380]  [SPEAKER_12]: Have fun.
[02:07:59.560 --> 02:07:59.840]  [SPEAKER_09]: Bye.